1 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:11,519 Good evening everyone. I call the July 2 00:00:11,519 --> 00:00:14,160 15th, 2026 planning commission meeting 3 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:17,119 to order. The main purpose of tonight's 4 00:00:17,119 --> 00:00:18,880 meeting is to hold a study session on 5 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:21,279 the city's work towards inclusion and 6 00:00:21,279 --> 00:00:23,600 communication and to hear presentations 7 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:25,760 on the bike parking code, the electric 8 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:27,359 vehicle code, and the city's tree 9 00:00:27,359 --> 00:00:30,160 retention and landscaping project. 10 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:32,000 Before we move on to the agenda, I'd 11 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:33,760 like to acknowledge our hybrid meeting 12 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:36,480 format. The city of both provides the 13 00:00:36,480 --> 00:00:38,480 option to attend this meeting either in 14 00:00:38,480 --> 00:00:41,360 person or remotely via Zoom. 15 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:44,399 For those participating in Zoom, please 16 00:00:44,399 --> 00:00:46,079 note that the chat and question 17 00:00:46,079 --> 00:00:48,640 functions are disabled to comply with 18 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:51,520 the Open Public Meeting Act. Public 19 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:53,600 comment is allowed both in person and 20 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:56,480 via Zoom. Those commenting will be 21 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:58,719 limited to 3 minutes. The city does not 22 00:00:58,719 --> 00:01:00,399 tolerate verbal harassment. Please 23 00:01:00,399 --> 00:01:03,120 remember this during your comments. 24 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:04,879 Zoom commenters and written submissions 25 00:01:04,879 --> 00:01:07,439 were required by 300 p.m. today. Written 26 00:01:07,439 --> 00:01:09,520 comments received by 3 p.m. have been 27 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:12,159 distributed to all commissioners and are 28 00:01:12,159 --> 00:01:14,640 included in the record. This meeting is 29 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,280 being streamlined streamed live and the 30 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:20,720 live recorded for later viewing on the 31 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:23,840 city's YouTube channel. A call-in number 32 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:26,000 is provided for anyone listening by 33 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,479 phone. Staff will make every effort to 34 00:01:28,479 --> 00:01:30,720 specify materials during presentations 35 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:33,439 for those joining by audio. At this 36 00:01:33,439 --> 00:01:36,320 time, I will take a roll roll call for 37 00:01:36,320 --> 00:01:39,119 commissioners. Commissioner Kieran 38 00:01:39,119 --> 00:01:40,880 >> present. 39 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:43,920 >> Uh, Commissioner Morales is absent and 40 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:45,759 excused. Commissioner Westerbeck 41 00:01:45,759 --> 00:01:46,640 >> here. 42 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:49,600 >> Commissioner Lever here. 43 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:52,240 >> Uh, Commissioner SS is absent and 44 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:56,000 excused. Commissioner Gufferson 45 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,799 >> here. Thank you. 46 00:01:58,799 --> 00:02:01,990 >> Okay. 47 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,560 In addition, community development staff 48 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:06,399 attending tonight include deputy 49 00:02:06,399 --> 00:02:08,239 director Christian Gats, planner 50 00:02:08,239 --> 00:02:10,959 Jacquellyn Samson, community educ 51 00:02:10,959 --> 00:02:15,760 engagement manager Mason uh Laa, 52 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:19,680 DEI manager Gabby Cona, planner Eric 53 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:23,280 Jazooi, civil civic spark fellow Jay 54 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:25,920 Huckkins, and senior planner Cameron 55 00:02:25,920 --> 00:02:28,480 Coleman. 56 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:32,710 For all attendees, 57 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,040 speak clearly and pause frequently. 58 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:37,200 State your name before speaking. Mute 59 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:39,760 your microphone when not speaking. If 60 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:41,599 you are watching the live stream, please 61 00:02:41,599 --> 00:02:45,200 mute it due to audio delay. 62 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:46,800 For commissioners, I will call on 63 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:49,040 members wishing to speak at designated 64 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:50,800 points during the presentation. Please 65 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:52,720 raise your hand to indicate you wish to 66 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:55,440 speak. Identify yourself before asking a 67 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:57,680 question, making a motion, seconding or 68 00:02:57,680 --> 00:02:59,920 speaking in debate. Keep microphones 69 00:02:59,920 --> 00:03:02,560 muted when not speaking. 70 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:05,040 We will begin today with public comment. 71 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:07,120 Written comments submitted by 3 p.m. 72 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:09,760 have been forwarded to commissioners. Um 73 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:13,440 there were not any for today. 74 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:16,800 Um we will call on those in the audience 75 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:20,959 or we would um to provide public comment 76 00:03:20,959 --> 00:03:23,760 first. For Zoom commenters, we will call 77 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:26,239 on you next. If you are in the virtual 78 00:03:26,239 --> 00:03:27,920 audience, please indicate your desire to 79 00:03:27,920 --> 00:03:30,319 speak by using the raise hand function 80 00:03:30,319 --> 00:03:32,560 and staff will panel you in. All 81 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,840 commenters will be limited to three 82 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:39,599 minutes. Is there anybody signed up or 83 00:03:39,599 --> 00:03:42,239 in the audience wishing to speak besides 84 00:03:42,239 --> 00:03:43,599 our presentations today? 85 00:03:43,599 --> 00:03:44,799 >> There is no one in the audience and 86 00:03:44,799 --> 00:03:47,280 there's no one in the Zoom audience uh 87 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:48,959 wishing to speak. 88 00:03:48,959 --> 00:03:51,840 >> Okay. Um, 89 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:54,319 so hearing that there's no one who 90 00:03:54,319 --> 00:03:57,360 wishes to speak today, we will move on. 91 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:01,360 Next is approval for the July 1st 92 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:03,760 minutes. Are there any corrections to 93 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:06,000 the minutes? 94 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,560 No. Okay. Uh, hearing none, the chair 95 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:10,319 will entertain a motion to approve the 96 00:04:10,319 --> 00:04:13,599 July 1st mitten minutes as written. Is 97 00:04:13,599 --> 00:04:16,239 there a motion? 98 00:04:16,239 --> 00:04:18,079 Wonderful. Thank you, 99 00:04:18,079 --> 00:04:20,239 >> Commissioner Kan. Commissioner Kieran, I 100 00:04:20,239 --> 00:04:21,359 move to approve the minutes as 101 00:04:21,359 --> 00:04:22,000 submitted. 102 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:23,600 >> Thank you, Commissioner Kieran. Is there 103 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:24,320 a second? 104 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:26,720 >> Commissioner Lever second. 105 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:29,120 >> It has been moved and seconded to appro 106 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:31,680 approve the July 1st minutes as written. 107 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:33,840 Is there any discussion? 108 00:04:33,840 --> 00:04:35,759 Okay. Hearing none. Those in favor say 109 00:04:35,759 --> 00:04:37,520 I. 110 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:38,240 >> I. 111 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:41,280 >> Okay. All opposed say no. The motion 112 00:04:41,280 --> 00:04:43,600 carries and the minutes are approved. 113 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,479 Great. The first study session this 114 00:04:46,479 --> 00:04:49,919 evening is presented by planner Jocelyn 115 00:04:49,919 --> 00:04:53,040 Samson. Jacquellyn Samson, I'm so sorry. 116 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,600 Um, community engagement manager Mason 117 00:04:55,600 --> 00:05:16,070 Laa and DEI coordinator Gabby Con. 118 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:19,199 Hi everyone. Today um we are here um my 119 00:05:19,199 --> 00:05:21,280 name is Jaclyn Samson. I'm a planner 120 00:05:21,280 --> 00:05:22,960 community development. I am joined with 121 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:24,800 Mason Laa who's a community engagement 122 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:27,520 manager as well as Gabby Kun who's a DEI 123 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:29,680 coordinator here coordinator here in the 124 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:32,560 city. Um we are here to present on 125 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,120 inclusion and communication in the city. 126 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:37,360 Um, at request from planning commission, 127 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:39,759 we were requested to have give more 128 00:05:39,759 --> 00:05:42,080 information on just communication within 129 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,000 the city. Um, how marginalized 130 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,400 populations are reached out to and so 131 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:47,919 we're here today to just give you all 132 00:05:47,919 --> 00:05:49,919 the information. Um, and hopefully 133 00:05:49,919 --> 00:05:51,360 answer any other questions that you may 134 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:53,600 have. 135 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:56,080 Um, there is no action today. Um, the 136 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:57,919 purpose for the study session is just to 137 00:05:57,919 --> 00:05:59,280 provide the planning commission 138 00:05:59,280 --> 00:06:01,360 information on communication with 139 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:03,440 marginalized communities in the city. 140 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:06,960 So, I will pass it off to Mason. 141 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:08,880 >> Great. Thank you, Jacqueline. Hello, 142 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:10,080 commissioners. Pleasure to be here 143 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:11,120 tonight and tell you a little bit more 144 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:13,039 about how we communicate and engage with 145 00:06:13,039 --> 00:06:14,960 our community. So, I'll start with an 146 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:17,360 overview. Overall, we proactively 147 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:18,880 connect with the community to keep folks 148 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:20,560 informed about the work that happens at 149 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:22,960 the city, right? And we look to also 150 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:25,600 engage them in helping us shape what the 151 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:27,360 future of BA looks like. And [snorts] we 152 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:29,360 do that through a couple different ways. 153 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:31,120 for keeping them informed. We 154 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:32,479 communicate across a variety of 155 00:06:32,479 --> 00:06:34,240 channels, namely our social media 156 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:36,400 platforms. We also have an email 157 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:38,240 marketing program, so we directly email 158 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:40,240 folks. We have print newsletters that 159 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:42,319 get mailed across the entire community. 160 00:06:42,319 --> 00:06:44,160 And we also have in-person experiences, 161 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:45,360 right, where folks can come and learn 162 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:47,360 more about the city as well as share 163 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:49,600 their feedback and provide input to help 164 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:52,000 shape policy and decision-m that you all 165 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:55,039 do. So this work is informed by the city 166 00:06:55,039 --> 00:06:56,880 council's 2040 vision which really 167 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:58,800 serves as that overall roadmap for 168 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:00,720 everything that happens at the city and 169 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:02,240 for the communications and engagement 170 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:03,680 team. We take a look at that 171 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:05,360 holistically and make sure that all the 172 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:07,280 messages we share out with the community 173 00:07:07,280 --> 00:07:08,960 as well as the opportunities we provide 174 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:11,199 for the community to engage with us are 175 00:07:11,199 --> 00:07:13,199 really aligned with that vision and 176 00:07:13,199 --> 00:07:14,880 providing the information needed at the 177 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:17,120 city to execute the vision. And the 178 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:18,639 communications and engagement team has 179 00:07:18,639 --> 00:07:20,160 been busy this last year. We're a 180 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:21,599 relatively new team for the city and 181 00:07:21,599 --> 00:07:23,520 we're continuing to grow and we're 182 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:25,360 focused on making sure we're modernizing 183 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:26,880 the ways that the city communicates and 184 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:28,479 engages with folks because we know how 185 00:07:28,479 --> 00:07:30,319 different things are today. So with 186 00:07:30,319 --> 00:07:31,759 that, I'll turn it over for any 187 00:07:31,759 --> 00:07:38,070 questions. 188 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:39,840 Um, thank you so much. This is very 189 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,000 exciting. Can you help me better 190 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,400 understand who is the team and then what 191 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:46,080 does that really look like? And I do see 192 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:47,680 that the diversity and inclusion 193 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:50,240 coordinator Gabby is here helped me 194 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:52,800 understand the way that it is organized. 195 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:54,560 So I think I I realized lately I've been 196 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:56,639 providing or I have a better 197 00:07:56,639 --> 00:07:58,479 understanding of how the feedback that I 198 00:07:58,479 --> 00:08:00,400 can provide can really be related to the 199 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:03,199 operation. So knowing how challenging 200 00:08:03,199 --> 00:08:05,199 outreach and engagement is and then 201 00:08:05,199 --> 00:08:07,199 tracking all of that like what does the 202 00:08:07,199 --> 00:08:09,599 FTE look like? How many positions like 203 00:08:09,599 --> 00:08:11,360 who do you report to like just help me 204 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:12,800 understand. 205 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:14,720 >> Absolutely that's a great question. So 206 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:16,319 the team is structured as follows. 207 00:08:16,319 --> 00:08:17,759 There's myself, the communications and 208 00:08:17,759 --> 00:08:19,360 engagement manager, and then there are 209 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:21,039 three folks on our team. We have an 210 00:08:21,039 --> 00:08:23,440 engagement coordinator. Their role is 211 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:25,599 really to work across the entire city 212 00:08:25,599 --> 00:08:27,199 and connect with folks like Jacqueline 213 00:08:27,199 --> 00:08:28,960 to find out, hey, what's going on in 214 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:30,400 your department? How are things 215 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:31,919 happening? How can we help support you? 216 00:08:31,919 --> 00:08:33,760 Right? We also have a digital content 217 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:35,039 coordinator role, which is currently 218 00:08:35,039 --> 00:08:37,519 being recruited for. This position is 219 00:08:37,519 --> 00:08:39,360 mainly responsible for all of our social 220 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:41,039 media, our email, and our website 221 00:08:41,039 --> 00:08:42,880 channels. So they take the information 222 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:44,240 that myself and our engagement 223 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:46,399 coordinator coordinate with all the city 224 00:08:46,399 --> 00:08:48,240 and they put it out on those channels in 225 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:50,320 ways that make sense that are easy to 226 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:51,839 understand and are fun, right? Because 227 00:08:51,839 --> 00:08:52,959 we want people to actually pay attention 228 00:08:52,959 --> 00:08:55,040 to what we communicate. Third, the third 229 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:56,560 position we have is a website 230 00:08:56,560 --> 00:08:58,080 specialist. They're really focused on 231 00:08:58,080 --> 00:08:59,920 the back-end management of all those 232 00:08:59,920 --> 00:09:02,240 digital platforms. We also as a city 233 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:03,839 have a cross- departmental engagement 234 00:09:03,839 --> 00:09:06,000 team which has 16 members representing 235 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:08,240 all departments at the city and we meet 236 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:10,800 once a month to talk about hey at the 237 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:12,880 highest level what are we doing as a 238 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:14,640 whole city and then we break it down and 239 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:16,160 look at how are things going in your 240 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:17,680 department can you collaborate with 241 00:09:17,680 --> 00:09:19,279 another department and then how can this 242 00:09:19,279 --> 00:09:26,389 centralized team help support that work 243 00:09:26,399 --> 00:09:28,560 » yes commissioner Kieran 244 00:09:28,560 --> 00:09:31,279 >> yeah commissioner Kieran here um So what 245 00:09:31,279 --> 00:09:33,760 have you found to be particularly 246 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:37,279 effective and does it vary by topic? Are 247 00:09:37,279 --> 00:09:39,200 there certain things that you use for 248 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,279 you know one topic and something else 249 00:09:41,279 --> 00:09:43,360 you use for something else? 250 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:45,200 >> Absolutely. So what you're you're saying 251 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:47,440 in uh lingo for the industry is called 252 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:49,600 channel segmentation. So what what 253 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:50,880 you're talking about is how do you 254 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:52,399 figure out what messages resonate in 255 00:09:52,399 --> 00:09:54,240 which areas? One of the things that we 256 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:55,839 do is we take something that we need to 257 00:09:55,839 --> 00:09:57,279 communicate on behalf of the city, 258 00:09:57,279 --> 00:09:58,800 right? So in this case, it could be 259 00:09:58,800 --> 00:09:59,839 something that the community development 260 00:09:59,839 --> 00:10:01,920 department is working on and we'll say, 261 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:03,440 okay, what is the message that we need 262 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:05,600 to get out? Now, how do we tell it in 263 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:07,360 different ways that make sense for the 264 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:09,120 different channels we have and the 265 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:10,720 audiences that we know we connect with 266 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:12,800 on those channels? A great example of 267 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:14,240 this is for, you know, social media. 268 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:16,399 Instead of just taking the same content, 269 00:10:16,399 --> 00:10:18,079 which we call, you know, copy, and 270 00:10:18,079 --> 00:10:19,760 putting it across all of our channels in 271 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:21,920 the same way, we actually tell the story 272 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:24,000 a little bit differently. So, we have 273 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,160 activated a Reddit account for the city, 274 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:27,600 which is a great platform for us to 275 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:29,360 reach folks who don't engage elsewhere 276 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:31,120 because we can post in the community 277 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:33,440 subreddit. And we do that and we share 278 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:35,200 that information in a very different way 279 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:36,959 than we might on Instagram where we're 280 00:10:36,959 --> 00:10:38,399 doing a short form video, which could 281 00:10:38,399 --> 00:10:39,920 very well be Jacquine hanging out with a 282 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:41,600 selfie cam, right? Talking about what 283 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:43,040 the planning commission might be up to. 284 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:45,040 So, we we take information and we tell 285 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:46,480 the story very differently to make sure 286 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:48,160 it resonates with the folks that engage 287 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:52,790 with us in those different areas. 288 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:54,079 Yes, Commissioner Lever. 289 00:10:54,079 --> 00:10:55,920 >> Thank you. Um, thank you for that answer 290 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:57,680 and the other one on the organization. 291 00:10:57,680 --> 00:11:00,000 So, I have a question around like the 292 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:01,760 feedback that you do get and then the 293 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:03,200 audiences that you engage through your 294 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:04,720 different departments and your different 295 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:07,920 channels. uh sitting in these role like 296 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:09,600 I've seen so much feedback being 297 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:12,800 gathered and oftent times because we're 298 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:16,720 asking it asking about specific plans or 299 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:20,720 initiatives yet it might be there's that 300 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:22,399 correlation but it's not always so 301 00:11:22,399 --> 00:11:25,040 obvious. So what are the ways in which 302 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:27,040 you kind of uh look at the feedback that 303 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:30,240 you're generating and the activation or 304 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:34,079 lack thereof to kind of really inform 305 00:11:34,079 --> 00:11:36,079 the different audiences of things that 306 00:11:36,079 --> 00:11:37,680 they may not be aware of through the 307 00:11:37,680 --> 00:11:39,440 feedback that you're receiving because 308 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:41,120 it's the same message. Some people may 309 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:42,720 get it other people is just not 310 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:45,600 receiving it and that's a lot of work. 311 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:47,360 So what I'm hearing in terms of your 312 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:48,640 current infrastructure, there's a lot of 313 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:50,000 outputs, right? And making sure that you 314 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:51,600 are developing and creating, but how do 315 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:54,079 you actually analyze everything that is 316 00:11:54,079 --> 00:11:56,399 getting out and what you're receiving 317 00:11:56,399 --> 00:11:59,120 and how does that interplay with the 318 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:00,800 coordinator of diversity, equity, 319 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:03,600 inclusion around targeted outreach, uh, 320 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:07,120 underserved populations and yeah, that's 321 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:08,639 sort of 322 00:12:08,639 --> 00:12:10,720 >> Yeah, absolutely. So we have an 323 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:12,560 engagement toolkit at the city which is 324 00:12:12,560 --> 00:12:15,120 really a roadmap for how anyone who 325 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:17,360 works at the city can begin to work on 326 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:19,040 communications and engagement or manage 327 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:21,760 it themselves if they are as as a team. 328 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:23,920 We actually work very closely with Gabby 329 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:26,079 and with many others on staff to ensure 330 00:12:26,079 --> 00:12:27,440 that all of our communications and 331 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:29,600 engagement programming has the the best 332 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:31,680 output that it can and also results in 333 00:12:31,680 --> 00:12:33,839 the best input for the city. Right. And 334 00:12:33,839 --> 00:12:35,519 that can be very challenging because as 335 00:12:35,519 --> 00:12:38,000 you know um cities are in many lines of 336 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:39,360 business. We do so many different 337 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:40,880 things. You know, we're not one we're 338 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:42,320 not a retail brand that sells just 339 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:44,639 shoes, right? We we represent so many 340 00:12:44,639 --> 00:12:46,800 different areas of of expertise and 341 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:48,560 infrastructure that it can be very 342 00:12:48,560 --> 00:12:49,920 challenging to communicate all of those 343 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:52,320 in one place. So, when we work across 344 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:54,160 the entire city, we're really listening 345 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:56,240 to make sure that if something going on 346 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:57,760 in community development can be tied 347 00:12:57,760 --> 00:12:58,880 together with something also happening 348 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:01,040 in public works, do we collaborate and 349 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:02,320 tell that story in a way that would make 350 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:03,839 sense to someone who doesn't work at the 351 00:13:03,839 --> 00:13:05,279 city and doesn't understand maybe the 352 00:13:05,279 --> 00:13:07,040 fine detail and difference between the 353 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:09,760 two, right? Um, we also make sure and we 354 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:11,440 in integrate a lot of best practices 355 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:13,839 into all of our content to ensure that 356 00:13:13,839 --> 00:13:15,920 the messaging we put out is digestible 357 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:17,760 and understandable for a variety of 358 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:19,680 audiences to make sure it's as 359 00:13:19,680 --> 00:13:20,959 accessible as possible. And that's 360 00:13:20,959 --> 00:13:22,880 something that's very important to us. 361 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:24,160 Now, the second part of your question 362 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:25,920 was that that two-way street, right? How 363 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:28,480 do we engage? So, across all of our 364 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:30,959 channels, we often times lead with a 365 00:13:30,959 --> 00:13:33,920 call to action, the CTA, which is, hey, 366 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:35,680 have questions about this or have an 367 00:13:35,680 --> 00:13:37,360 opinion? here's how you can share it 368 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:39,760 back to the city, right? And we take 369 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:41,440 that information and anytime we get a 370 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:43,200 question or a comment on social media, 371 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:45,360 we we look at that comment or a question 372 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:47,440 and we try to answer it on that platform 373 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:49,120 so anyone else who may have the same 374 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:50,800 question or comment, right, can see the 375 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:52,639 response and then we take that and we 376 00:13:52,639 --> 00:13:54,399 make sure to let the other folks in the 377 00:13:54,399 --> 00:13:56,240 city know who are points of contact for 378 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:58,240 that area, hey, we got a question about 379 00:13:58,240 --> 00:13:59,839 this. This is actually a great thing 380 00:13:59,839 --> 00:14:01,440 that we might want to expand on. Can you 381 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:03,360 tell us more so we can do a follow-up 382 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:05,600 post or send a a follow-up email about 383 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:12,550 that project or program? 384 00:14:12,560 --> 00:14:13,839 » Commissioner Westerbeck, 385 00:14:13,839 --> 00:14:15,279 >> do you have a [clears throat] excuse me 386 00:14:15,279 --> 00:14:17,440 a form of communication you found to be 387 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:19,920 the most effective or the one that gets 388 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:21,760 you uh the most results? I'm just 389 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:24,320 curious about that. 390 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:26,560 >> Absolutely. You know, social media is 391 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:28,240 the the topic dour, right? Everyone 392 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:31,199 likes to lean on it, but the problem is that it's also a volume game. 393 00:14:31,199 --> 00:14:32,880 Everyone is on social media. And I'm 394 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:35,040 sure you if you are on any platforms 395 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:36,560 yourself have experienced the fatigue 396 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:38,639 that can come with that. And so I'm 397 00:14:38,639 --> 00:14:40,079 answering your your question in a 398 00:14:40,079 --> 00:14:42,320 roundabout way, which is to say we're 399 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:44,079 constantly analyzing all the different 400 00:14:44,079 --> 00:14:45,839 ways we communicate and looking at what 401 00:14:45,839 --> 00:14:47,839 makes sense. So I mentioned Reddit 402 00:14:47,839 --> 00:14:49,040 earlier and Reddit's been a really 403 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:51,360 effective platform for us. We found that 404 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:53,360 um you know there's a a pretty diverse 405 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:56,000 audience who is who are active on Reddit 406 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:57,680 and a large swap of our community who 407 00:14:57,680 --> 00:14:59,279 are active on Reddit. So when we post 408 00:14:59,279 --> 00:15:00,959 about something like a road closure but 409 00:15:00,959 --> 00:15:02,959 also an upcoming event and also hey did 410 00:15:02,959 --> 00:15:04,160 you know there's a new building coming 411 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:06,320 downtown all those things can reach 412 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:07,760 folks who traditionally wouldn't 413 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:09,920 necessarily see it because our other 414 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:11,360 digital platforms like you know 415 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:13,199 traditional social media like Facebook 416 00:15:13,199 --> 00:15:15,760 um Instagram the algorithms tend to 417 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:17,040 discriminate if you will against 418 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:18,720 information that might be boring quote 419 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:21,760 unquote right so the the solution to 420 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:24,399 that is actually the the nature of why 421 00:15:24,399 --> 00:15:25,839 we have a digital content coordinator 422 00:15:25,839 --> 00:15:28,639 which that role is entirely dedicated to 423 00:15:28,639 --> 00:15:30,000 providing that storytelling in really 424 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:32,480 creative ways. If you look at um Wash 425 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:34,000 Dot as a good example, they do a great 426 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:35,440 job with their social media, right? 427 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:37,279 Because they are having fun with it and 428 00:15:37,279 --> 00:15:38,560 that's entirely where we're going with 429 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:48,710 our platforms. 430 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:53,519 » There was a hand a hand raised. 431 00:15:53,519 --> 00:15:58,629 >> Hi. Yes, I had my hand if that's okay. 432 00:15:58,639 --> 00:15:59,920 Can you hear me? 433 00:15:59,920 --> 00:16:01,920 >> Yes, of course. Go ahead. 434 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:03,440 >> Okay, perfect. Um, I just want to follow 435 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:05,120 up on the earlier commission uh 436 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:08,000 commissioner's question too about um how 437 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:10,720 do we specifically do outreach to 438 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:12,880 marginalized members of our community. 439 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:14,720 Um I'll talk a little bit more about it. 440 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:21,120 Um oh here, perfect. Um so one of the core tenants of the outreach that we 441 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:23,920 do here is understanding that um 442 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:26,399 equitable access to our services is a 443 00:16:26,399 --> 00:16:28,480 foundational part of how we provide good 444 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:31,839 service um to our entire community. Um 445 00:16:31,839 --> 00:16:34,079 and so we incorporate equity into 446 00:16:34,079 --> 00:16:35,920 everything that we do. So, when we think 447 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:38,240 about the the tools that Mason had 448 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:41,120 mentioned earlier, um the um 449 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:44,240 communications plans, um we have a ton 450 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:45,680 of different resource guides that we 451 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:47,440 provide to all of our departments, 452 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:49,360 including our communications team, about 453 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:51,360 how do we make sure that the messages 454 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:52,800 that we're sending to our communities 455 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:54,800 are ones that really uphold our values. 456 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:57,120 And part of our values being having a 457 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:58,480 really welcoming community and building 458 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:01,360 the beloved community in both. Um, and 459 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:03,120 so we're we're very intentional about 460 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:04,880 ensuring that our communications team, 461 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:07,600 not only um the communications staff 462 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:09,439 that work in executive, but also the 463 00:17:09,439 --> 00:17:11,760 communications team that is embedded in 464 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:14,079 all of our departments, um, meets quite 465 00:17:14,079 --> 00:17:16,079 regularly with me um, as part of my 466 00:17:16,079 --> 00:17:17,919 role. And then they also bring various 467 00:17:17,919 --> 00:17:20,079 projects to me as well. Um, we have a 468 00:17:20,079 --> 00:17:21,839 staff committee called the divein 469 00:17:21,839 --> 00:17:23,360 committee. Uh, that's made up of staff 470 00:17:23,360 --> 00:17:24,559 from almost all of our different 471 00:17:24,559 --> 00:17:26,240 departments. Um, and they quite 472 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:28,000 frequently will bring a variety of 473 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:30,080 projects to me. Um, so that I can share 474 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:32,880 them with my um, connections. Um, and 475 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:34,320 one of the things that we found really 476 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:36,640 successful in doing community engagement 477 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:40,480 is understanding that um, 478 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:42,400 equity work in general can only move at 479 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:45,120 the speed of trust. Um and so as we work 480 00:17:45,120 --> 00:17:48,400 in our community, um a key aspect of 481 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:49,840 really good high quality community 482 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:52,320 engagement for us is doing things like a 483 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:54,480 Lunar New Year festival with the library 484 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:57,520 or Hispanic Heritage Month event with um 485 00:17:57,520 --> 00:17:59,919 a youth group because uh those those 486 00:17:59,919 --> 00:18:02,160 like kind of oneoff activities really 487 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:04,880 bring um a wealth of trust and goodwill 488 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:07,200 in our community um that helps us make 489 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:08,960 connections that we can continue to rely 490 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:12,880 on. Um, and so those those events we 491 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:15,200 really see as major civic um civic 492 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:17,919 education opportunities uh to let people 493 00:18:17,919 --> 00:18:20,400 know that there are connections that are 494 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:22,240 um at the city and if they ever have 495 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:23,679 questions or if they want to share 496 00:18:23,679 --> 00:18:25,760 feedback they can reach out directly to 497 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:28,799 city staff. Um very oftent times um I 498 00:18:28,799 --> 00:18:30,559 might be the only staff member that a 499 00:18:30,559 --> 00:18:32,160 community member knows and so they'll 500 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:33,919 reach out to me directly to ask 501 00:18:33,919 --> 00:18:36,160 something about their sewer maintenance. 502 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:37,679 Um, and while I don't know anything 503 00:18:37,679 --> 00:18:39,360 about sewer maintenance, I do know the 504 00:18:39,360 --> 00:18:40,559 folks of the city and I know the 505 00:18:40,559 --> 00:18:43,360 mechanisms in the city um, for who I can 506 00:18:43,360 --> 00:18:44,640 connect them with. So, we really see 507 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:46,320 that those really intangible 508 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:48,640 relationships are one of our best tools. 509 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:50,720 Um, and we we try to maintain those as 510 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:52,880 best as possible through really um, 511 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:55,120 building trust in the community. Um, 512 00:18:55,120 --> 00:18:57,440 part of that is guided by our diversity, 513 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:00,080 equity, and inclusion belonging roadmap. 514 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:01,679 Um, our the current plan we're working 515 00:19:01,679 --> 00:19:03,120 off of, which you can find on our 516 00:19:03,120 --> 00:19:06,559 website at buffalo.govde backdei. 517 00:19:06,559 --> 00:19:09,440 Um that part part of that plan is the 518 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:11,840 2023 through 2026 roadmap. We're 519 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:14,000 currently in the process of um building 520 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:15,600 the next iteration of that and we'll 521 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:16,880 continue to do that throughout the rest 522 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:19,039 of this year. Um but it really provides 523 00:19:19,039 --> 00:19:21,120 a look into like the tangible steps and 524 00:19:21,120 --> 00:19:23,520 action items that the city can take um 525 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:26,160 to create a more equitable environment. 526 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:28,080 is divided into five different goal 527 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:30,240 areas. Um some of which are more 528 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:32,160 internal and staff focused because we 529 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:34,240 know that we're also um one of the 530 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:36,000 really large employers in the city of 531 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:37,919 both and in our community. And so it's 532 00:19:37,919 --> 00:19:39,600 also really important that our staff 533 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:41,679 feel like they're um that they have 534 00:19:41,679 --> 00:19:47,280 equitable opportunity here. Um and so we really try to to make our our 535 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:48,880 diversity, equity, and inclusion program 536 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:52,080 very actionoriented. Um there are also 537 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:54,000 several initiatives that the program is 538 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:55,760 currently working on that you won't find 539 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:58,400 in the DEI road map. Um one of the major 540 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:00,320 reasons that it's called a road map um 541 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:02,240 is because we hope that it stays 542 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:05,679 responsive. Um and like Google Maps, if 543 00:20:05,679 --> 00:20:07,200 it tells you that a road's closed, you 544 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:09,200 don't just charge ahead. um when we go 545 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,039 through our DEI initiatives and we find 546 00:20:11,039 --> 00:20:12,720 that something isn't really what our 547 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:14,160 community wants or it's not what our 548 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:15,520 community needs and we're hearing that 549 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:17,679 from our community, we adjust um and we 550 00:20:17,679 --> 00:20:19,360 adjust based on um budget and staff 551 00:20:19,360 --> 00:20:21,679 capacity too. So um we haven't had too 552 00:20:21,679 --> 00:20:23,840 many changes in the DEI road map uh that 553 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:25,600 have delayed projects, but we have had a 554 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:27,120 lot added to it that wasn't originally 555 00:20:27,120 --> 00:20:28,880 in that when we were thinking about this 556 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:31,440 road map in 2022. Um and so we've been 557 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:33,760 able to stay really flexible. Um, in 558 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:35,919 your packet I included some of the 559 00:20:35,919 --> 00:20:37,360 initiatives that I thought were most 560 00:20:37,360 --> 00:20:39,120 relevant to this group. So, some of that 561 00:20:39,120 --> 00:20:42,240 is our language access plan has had a 562 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:44,559 lot of work done on it. Um, and we do a 563 00:20:44,559 --> 00:20:45,919 lot of outreach and training with our 564 00:20:45,919 --> 00:20:47,760 staff related to language access and 565 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:49,200 ensuring that they know how to use 566 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:51,200 interpretation and translation resources 567 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,440 that are available to them. Um, we just 568 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:55,840 rolled out a new program for city staff 569 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:59,120 related to bilingual pay. um so that we 570 00:20:59,120 --> 00:21:01,679 can not only recruit a really diverse 571 00:21:01,679 --> 00:21:03,360 workforce, but that we can best serve 572 00:21:03,360 --> 00:21:05,600 our community. So when you walk into 573 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:07,039 city hall, you're more likely to 574 00:21:07,039 --> 00:21:08,559 encounter somebody who speaks the 575 00:21:08,559 --> 00:21:11,440 language that you speak. Um and then we 576 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:14,240 also this last year created the DEI 577 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,080 advisory committee. So it functions a 578 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:17,679 little bit like a board and commission. 579 00:21:17,679 --> 00:21:20,240 Um though it is not uh a council board 580 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:21,840 or commission, it's actually advises 581 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:24,799 staff directly. Um, and that's a group 582 00:21:24,799 --> 00:21:27,840 of 14 individuals who uh represent uh 583 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,320 various identities in our community. Um, 584 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:32,080 and have the opportunity to give a ton 585 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:33,919 of feedback on projects throughout the 586 00:21:33,919 --> 00:21:36,559 city. Um, so all of our departments have 587 00:21:36,559 --> 00:21:38,240 come and just like I'm doing here, 588 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,400 they've presented to the DEI advisory 589 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,400 committee. They've asked for questions, 590 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:44,799 they've gotten feedback, and then as we 591 00:21:44,799 --> 00:21:46,880 continue going through uh planning 592 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,200 initiatives, um those big plans are 593 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,120 brought to the DEI advisory committee. 594 00:21:51,120 --> 00:21:53,039 So, for example, um one of our 595 00:21:53,039 --> 00:21:54,799 departments, the police department is 596 00:21:54,799 --> 00:21:57,120 currently um exploring bodywn cameras 597 00:21:57,120 --> 00:21:58,720 and that's being brought to our DEI 598 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:00,720 advisory committee so that we can have 599 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:02,960 an opportunity to give some feedback and 600 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:04,720 the hope is that that's really a two-way 601 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:06,400 street so that members of the DEI 602 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,240 advisory committee will go out and share 603 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,159 that um with the communities that they 604 00:22:10,159 --> 00:22:12,960 feel most connected with um in both. Um 605 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:16,400 so, that was a lot um of monologuing. 606 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:17,840 So, please let me know if you have any 607 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:21,039 questions. Um, I am always happy uh to 608 00:22:21,039 --> 00:22:22,559 answer any questions that you might have 609 00:22:22,559 --> 00:22:27,350 about our budding DEI program. 610 00:22:27,360 --> 00:22:29,679 » Commissioner Lever, 611 00:22:29,679 --> 00:22:31,840 >> thank you. That's super helpful. Um, I 612 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,000 have two questions around that are more 613 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:38,480 like technical. So, when it comes to the communications and the DEI and the 614 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,039 technology, where are you with AI and 615 00:22:41,039 --> 00:22:43,520 then how are you using it or leveraging 616 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,080 or planning on using it? Do you have a 617 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,159 policy in place knowing that it's kind 618 00:22:48,159 --> 00:22:50,159 of here to stay and how does that impact 619 00:22:50,159 --> 00:22:52,159 your day-to-day? And then the other one 620 00:22:52,159 --> 00:22:54,240 is around the accessibility. I think as 621 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,799 I was listening to this uh for the web 622 00:22:56,799 --> 00:22:59,120 accessibility deadline to make sure that 623 00:22:59,120 --> 00:23:01,280 the websites I know the deadline was um 624 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,520 extended to make sure that it it 625 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,480 complies with the title two of ADA. Uh 626 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:12,559 is that under your shop? And if so, how is that one going in terms of um the 627 00:23:12,559 --> 00:23:16,149 review that needed to happen? 628 00:23:16,159 --> 00:23:18,960 Gabby, do you want to start with 629 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:23,039 >> Sure, I can start. Um, uh, yeah. So, um, 630 00:23:23,039 --> 00:23:25,919 the city does have a, uh, generative AI 631 00:23:25,919 --> 00:23:28,880 use policy, um, that was finalized, I 632 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,120 believe, last year. Um, I did have the 633 00:23:31,120 --> 00:23:32,960 opportunity to look through that policy. 634 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,039 Um, and one of the things that was 635 00:23:35,039 --> 00:23:38,159 called out in that policy is um an 636 00:23:38,159 --> 00:23:42,640 understanding that AI um has been known 637 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:48,720 to repeat uh stereotypes and um 638 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:52,000 just uh sorry I'm coming off of a 639 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,080 migraine. It's been known to repeat 640 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:56,799 stereotypes and harmful biases that 641 00:23:56,799 --> 00:23:59,440 we've seen um that humans carry and have 642 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,679 built into AI because at its core AI is 643 00:24:01,679 --> 00:24:04,400 built by humans. Um, and so there is 644 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,400 part of our policy is uh an 645 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,080 understanding that city staff at the end 646 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,159 of the day are responsible for reviewing 647 00:24:10,159 --> 00:24:13,760 anything that they use to use AI to um 648 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:15,679 create and that they're viewing it with 649 00:24:15,679 --> 00:24:18,559 an equity mindset to understand um and 650 00:24:18,559 --> 00:24:21,200 look for any uh duplicated biases or 651 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,679 anything that might come out of um using 652 00:24:23,679 --> 00:24:26,080 programs trained on historically biased 653 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:29,279 material. Um so we did try to build 654 00:24:29,279 --> 00:24:31,279 equity into that policy as much as 655 00:24:31,279 --> 00:24:34,480 possible. Um, and I'll hand it over to 656 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,159 Mason to talk about AI and 657 00:24:36,159 --> 00:24:38,720 communications work. 658 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,919 >> Thanks, Gabby. So, we employ a AI in a 659 00:24:41,919 --> 00:24:43,279 variety of ways that are really helpful 660 00:24:43,279 --> 00:24:45,039 for us, but we have also been in 661 00:24:45,039 --> 00:24:46,400 consultation with Gabby and others at 662 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:47,600 the city to make sure that we're doing 663 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,880 that and responsibly. And one of the 664 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:52,640 things that AI can be really beneficial 665 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:53,840 for, especially when it comes to 666 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,080 communications or engagement, is taking 667 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:57,440 technical or complex language and 668 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,000 simplifying it. So to be as accessible 669 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,679 and digestible as possible with our 670 00:25:01,679 --> 00:25:03,039 content and our communications and our 671 00:25:03,039 --> 00:25:05,039 messaging, we try to make sure we're 672 00:25:05,039 --> 00:25:07,520 talking about city operations and 673 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:09,360 updates in plain language. So it's 674 00:25:09,360 --> 00:25:11,600 digestible for folks at varying um 675 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,080 levels of of English proficiency, right? 676 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,000 Um the thing that's important about AI 677 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,080 is you don't want to use AI to translate 678 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:19,840 documents because it's not certified to 679 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,559 do so responsibly. So we don't do that. 680 00:25:22,559 --> 00:25:24,080 But we also have a shared model here 681 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:25,360 where we're a small team for 682 00:25:25,360 --> 00:25:26,640 communications and engagement and we 683 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,799 work with every department. So sometimes 684 00:25:28,799 --> 00:25:30,559 we'll be working with a traffic engineer 685 00:25:30,559 --> 00:25:31,679 for instance. So someone who's very 686 00:25:31,679 --> 00:25:33,279 technically minded and brilliant at what 687 00:25:33,279 --> 00:25:34,880 they do, but they're not necessarily a 688 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:36,000 communications professional. That's what 689 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,159 they have us for, right? So we may get 690 00:25:38,159 --> 00:25:39,919 complex technical information from a 691 00:25:39,919 --> 00:25:42,320 traffic engineer. And we can use AI to 692 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:43,840 help assist us in putting in plain 693 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:45,840 language. So not only do we understand 694 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:47,279 it, but then we can make sure that the 695 00:25:47,279 --> 00:25:48,559 messaging we're providing to the 696 00:25:48,559 --> 00:25:50,799 community about whatever the work is is 697 00:25:50,799 --> 00:25:52,799 also digestible by them. But in order to 698 00:25:52,799 --> 00:25:54,000 be responsible, we make sure that that 699 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:55,919 gets reviewed by the original source to 700 00:25:55,919 --> 00:25:57,760 ensure it is accurate and compliant. 701 00:25:57,760 --> 00:25:59,919 Right. So that's one example of how we 702 00:25:59,919 --> 00:26:02,000 might use AI. We also use it from a 703 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:03,919 productivity standpoint. It's very 704 00:26:03,919 --> 00:26:05,840 helpful for helping draft content, for 705 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,480 helping um revise or or amalgamate 706 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,880 content. Um and we talk a lot about the 707 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:12,640 use of AI and our cross-d departmental 708 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,080 engagement team. So folks like 709 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,080 Jacqueline who sits on that committee um 710 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:17,600 is also hearing about how we as the 711 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:18,960 communications and engagement team are 712 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:20,400 using it and then they can implement it 713 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:25,350 in their work as well. 714 00:26:25,360 --> 00:26:29,200 And for the uh compliance with the other 715 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,039 >> I can follow up on that part. I'll start 716 00:26:31,039 --> 00:26:32,480 and then right I'll hand it back to 717 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:37,360 Mason. Um so uh we actually don't hold 718 00:26:37,360 --> 00:26:40,400 ADA compliance under the DEI umbrella. 719 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,159 Our philosophy for diversity, equity, 720 00:26:42,159 --> 00:26:44,799 and inclusion is really that um it is a 721 00:26:44,799 --> 00:26:50,720 cultural shift in mindset um and that shift in mindset doesn't do its 722 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,520 best uh through a compliance lens. Um 723 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,760 and so we actually hold compliance for 724 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,000 ADA in our HR department which is 725 00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:59,600 separate from our diversity, equity and 726 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,559 inclusion program. That said, um part of 727 00:27:02,559 --> 00:27:04,640 my workload is around building a culture 728 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,960 of inclusion and accessibility in the 729 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,600 city of both. Um and so I have consulted 730 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:14,960 on some of the uh aspects around ADA. um 731 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:16,880 or some of the aspects around disability 732 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:18,720 inclusion and really meaningful 733 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,039 disability inclusion that goes beyond 734 00:27:21,039 --> 00:27:22,880 just the bare minimum of legally 735 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:24,559 compliant but really what it looks like 736 00:27:24,559 --> 00:27:27,279 to build a community where disabled 737 00:27:27,279 --> 00:27:29,919 folks are welcomed and included and can 738 00:27:29,919 --> 00:27:31,520 participate fully in their government 739 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,320 and their community. Um, and so we talk 740 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:35,600 a lot about that through like the 741 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,120 cultural lens, but then through the 742 00:27:37,120 --> 00:27:40,320 actual um, compliance lens, uh, I 743 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,080 typically hand that over to our ADA 744 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,080 coordinator and Mason's team to work 745 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,080 through some of the the new updates to 746 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:47,760 the ADA or the new enforcement and 747 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,799 compliance dates. 748 00:27:50,799 --> 00:27:51,840 >> Great. And thank you, Commissioner. I 749 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:53,520 know you asked about the WCAG 750 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:55,039 compliance, right, which is our web 751 00:27:55,039 --> 00:27:56,640 accessibility mandate from the 752 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,640 Department of Justice. So, at the city, 753 00:27:58,640 --> 00:27:59,919 we've been talking about this for a 754 00:27:59,919 --> 00:28:01,760 while now and ensuring that we are 755 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,720 compliant. It is a complex body of 756 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,000 policy, right? Um, and so the the way 757 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:09,760 that it applies to us is is kind of 758 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:11,600 twofold. So, there's products that we 759 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:13,279 produce ourselves that we need to make 760 00:28:13,279 --> 00:28:14,960 sure are compliant. So, that's certain 761 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,000 digital content, PDFs for example. Um, 762 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:19,760 but then there are platforms we utilize 763 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:21,840 like our website, like engage both, 764 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:23,520 which are actually thirdparty vendor 765 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,440 systems. So, we need to make sure that 766 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:26,640 we're communicating and connecting with 767 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:28,559 them to see how are they going to become 768 00:28:28,559 --> 00:28:30,000 compliant, right? Because we don't 769 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,880 actually manage um the system that we 770 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,039 may communicate on. So, fortunately, the 771 00:28:35,039 --> 00:28:36,559 vendors that we use, we've been in early 772 00:28:36,559 --> 00:28:38,960 contact with and um we're not the only 773 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:40,240 public agency dealing with us, right? 774 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,159 So, they've been ahead of the ship. Um 775 00:28:42,159 --> 00:28:43,520 and there's a lot of work happening with 776 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:44,640 those platforms to make sure that they 777 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,880 are compliant. We've been um our website 778 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,279 platform and engage both are also 779 00:28:49,279 --> 00:28:50,720 already compliant with the current 780 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,880 guidelines. The tricky part for us then 781 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,200 is for our staff, we have many folks who 782 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:56,640 are utilizing those platforms, helping 783 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:58,159 manage the content on those platforms. 784 00:28:58,159 --> 00:29:00,000 And so the platform itself may be 785 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,200 compliant, but we need to make sure that 786 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:02,640 the inputs we provide are also 787 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:03,919 compliant, which is where we've been 788 00:29:03,919 --> 00:29:05,120 developing the guidance we're going to 789 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,279 be sharing internally at the city to 790 00:29:07,279 --> 00:29:09,360 help folks across um all departments 791 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:10,960 make sure that when they're using these 792 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,120 platforms, we can ensure the integrity 793 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:21,590 of their compliance. Yeah. 794 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,320 Okay. Well, I thank you. This has been u 795 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,679 really uh really elucidating. Um I I 796 00:29:27,679 --> 00:29:31,440 have a few questions. Um this is such a 797 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:36,480 great um rich con con um subject area 798 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,320 that um yeah, I just have a few things I 799 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,200 wanted to kind of sink my teeth into. Um 800 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,360 I was wondering, you guys have done a 801 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,000 great job in outreach um online and 802 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,840 through the mail. How do you reach out 803 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,080 more to people who are homebound, 804 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,799 non-mobile, or um less present in the 805 00:29:52,799 --> 00:29:55,840 community online? 806 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:57,200 >> I'm going to have Gabby answer that, but 807 00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:58,720 I'm going to share some some context 808 00:29:58,720 --> 00:29:59,919 from the communication side, and I'm 809 00:29:59,919 --> 00:30:01,120 sure Gabby, you'll have you'll third 810 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,159 party input. Um, we absolutely recognize 811 00:30:04,159 --> 00:30:06,640 that we, you know, our entire community 812 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,399 is not in a vacuum. We're not siloed, 813 00:30:08,399 --> 00:30:10,080 right? We don't have one platform that 814 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:11,919 reaches everybody. So, of course, when 815 00:30:11,919 --> 00:30:13,200 we throw something up on social media 816 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:14,720 that does really well, that's great. and 817 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:15,919 we can look at those numbers and say 818 00:30:15,919 --> 00:30:17,200 that was a lot of reach but we don't 819 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:18,799 necessarily know exactly who those folks 820 00:30:18,799 --> 00:30:21,039 are and we absolutely know that we're 821 00:30:21,039 --> 00:30:22,640 not reaching everyone in the community. 822 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,320 So, we take a holistic approach at 823 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:25,440 making sure that we don't just 824 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,520 communicate on our owned channels, 825 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,520 things that we directly manage, but we 826 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:30,720 work with our community- based 827 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,120 organizations to be ambassadors because 828 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:34,880 often times we know that folks in the 829 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:36,960 community, especially if they're uh less 830 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,360 connected, right, may have a connection 831 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,919 point with a church or a religious 832 00:30:41,919 --> 00:30:44,000 organization or a service organization 833 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,320 or a provider um or even a recreation 834 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,559 group, right? And so we try to to 835 00:30:48,559 --> 00:30:50,080 maintain really strong relationships 836 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:51,600 with different community based 837 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:53,520 organizations and when we have a large 838 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,919 initiative we do outreach with them to 839 00:30:55,919 --> 00:30:57,600 say can you please share this because we 840 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,080 want to hear from your folks about this 841 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,159 project this initiative and this um 842 00:31:02,159 --> 00:31:03,120 something that we work really closely 843 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:04,080 with the community development 844 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,799 department on Gabby anything to add on 845 00:31:06,799 --> 00:31:09,200 that. 846 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,520 No, I think this just um really hearkens 847 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,760 back to the importance of those really 848 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:15,919 um strong relationships on our community 849 00:31:15,919 --> 00:31:17,600 and actually working with trusted 850 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,320 community leaders um far more than if 851 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,240 information is coming directly from city 852 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,480 staff members. We know that the webs 853 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,320 that we've built in the community of 854 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,799 folks that know that we will take their 855 00:31:28,799 --> 00:31:31,120 feedback seriously um and then will 856 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,039 advocate for us. So when we do something 857 00:31:33,039 --> 00:31:34,880 like a survey or we're looking for 858 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,039 feedback, um just like Mason said, the 859 00:31:37,039 --> 00:31:38,880 service providers that we have in our 860 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:40,720 community do a really great job of 861 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,240 spreading the word. We do very 862 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,240 community, we do very targeted community 863 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:45,840 specific outreach to those service 864 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:47,600 providers. Um, and we work really 865 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:48,960 closely with our human services 866 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,519 coordinator, Anand, um, who is also 867 00:31:51,519 --> 00:31:53,279 within the executive department. And 868 00:31:53,279 --> 00:31:55,760 he's able to he has a huge list of 869 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:57,200 service providers in the Buffalo 870 00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,120 community who are able to to reach folks 871 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:00,559 that we might not otherwise be able to 872 00:32:00,559 --> 00:32:06,230 engage with for those reasons. 873 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,399 » Yeah. Um, and then I'll go over 874 00:32:08,399 --> 00:32:09,519 community engagement within community 875 00:32:09,519 --> 00:32:11,919 development. Um basically community 876 00:32:11,919 --> 00:32:14,240 engagement is very important within the 877 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,399 long range planning efforts in um within 878 00:32:16,399 --> 00:32:19,360 the city. Um we 879 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:20,960 try to do a variety of different 880 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:22,880 outreach methods in order to get 881 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,600 feedback on different projects um coming 882 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,600 from different residents or people come 883 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:31,120 into both. Um we do that through both um 884 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,919 in person as well as virtual. Um some 885 00:32:33,919 --> 00:32:35,440 virtual examples, we have our engage 886 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,320 both bath website that um we have um 887 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,880 different surveys on there. Um different 888 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:45,200 ways for people to give feedback what by making an account um on that 889 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,840 platform. Um we've also had different 890 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,960 focus groups where people can meet both 891 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,039 virtually and we've also had focus 892 00:32:53,039 --> 00:32:56,080 groups in person um where um people can 893 00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,640 have input on different projects. Um, 894 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,320 for example, for a housing action plan, 895 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,000 we've had different focus groups 896 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:03,760 targeting different populations going 897 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,320 from students um to the elderly to 898 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,640 homeowners just to make sure that we can 899 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,440 um get a large range of opinions on the 900 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,679 housing action plan. Um, we've tabled 901 00:33:13,679 --> 00:33:15,440 different community events as well. Um, 902 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,679 for examples, we the chai holy event 903 00:33:17,679 --> 00:33:21,919 over in um um the downtown park here in 904 00:33:21,919 --> 00:33:24,640 Pabell as well as um different events at 905 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,960 UDub bothl. we've t tabled as like 906 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,840 sustain mania um different environmental 907 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,240 um programs as well. So trying to really 908 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,399 meet where the people are is very 909 00:33:34,399 --> 00:33:37,919 important to us. Um we in order to get 910 00:33:37,919 --> 00:33:40,559 that um feedback on different longrange 911 00:33:40,559 --> 00:33:45,509 projects. Um an examp 912 00:33:45,519 --> 00:33:48,159 place feedback um giving tours around 913 00:33:48,159 --> 00:33:50,399 downtown. Um, so we really want to 914 00:33:50,399 --> 00:33:52,720 prioritize that engagement um with 915 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,039 historically underrepresented people and 916 00:33:55,039 --> 00:33:57,440 marginalized people by being able to 917 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,960 create a large range of um engagement 918 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:02,640 activities and ways for people to 919 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,679 connect and um to get their voice out 920 00:34:05,679 --> 00:34:09,040 whether that is online or us meeting 921 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:12,560 them where they're at. 922 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,159 Um yeah, and there's no action required 923 00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:16,480 today. Um the purpose of purpose of this 924 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:17,919 study session was just to provide the 925 00:34:17,919 --> 00:34:19,839 planning commission information on 926 00:34:19,839 --> 00:34:20,960 communication with marginalized 927 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,599 communities in in the city [snorts] and 928 00:34:23,599 --> 00:34:28,470 that yeah 929 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,800 um well thank you so very much and I 930 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,560 really enjoy all the content that's out 931 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,560 there and I have the opportunity to go 932 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,000 to some of your tableling events and 933 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:37,839 everything. So that is really wonderful 934 00:34:37,839 --> 00:34:40,079 and I am just so pleased to hear that 935 00:34:40,079 --> 00:34:43,599 you do have a robust communications team 936 00:34:43,599 --> 00:34:45,520 and hopefully that will continue to get 937 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,000 bigger because we are communicating all 938 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,480 the time on our phone. So thank you so 939 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,510 much. 940 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,520 » Um if I may just ask a a few more 941 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,200 questions. I was wondering how do you 942 00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,240 guys um measure success? Do you have 943 00:35:00,240 --> 00:35:01,440 certain benchmarks when you're 944 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,160 communicating for a certain percentage 945 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,640 of representation through your outreach 946 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,960 or what do those um assessment and 947 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,280 benchmarks look like? 948 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:12,880 >> Just hearkening back to a question I was 949 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:14,240 asked when I was interviewing for this 950 00:35:14,240 --> 00:35:19,200 job. Um you know as a team I think we've 951 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,599 I've instilled a really good policy on 952 00:35:21,599 --> 00:35:23,119 this which is the numbers are one part 953 00:35:23,119 --> 00:35:25,680 of the story but they're not the whole 954 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:27,760 and what I mean by that is we measure 955 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,760 success by looking at analytics. So the 956 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,480 hard data, right, the the quantitative 957 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,079 data that we can gather about our 958 00:35:34,079 --> 00:35:35,599 different channels and that might tell 959 00:35:35,599 --> 00:35:38,079 us something, but we're we as 960 00:35:38,079 --> 00:35:39,440 communicators are intuitive enough to 961 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:40,720 know that we don't reach everyone in the 962 00:35:40,720 --> 00:35:43,119 community, right? We look very closely 963 00:35:43,119 --> 00:35:45,440 at the qualitative feedback that we're 964 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:46,880 able to gather from folks in the 965 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:48,640 community such as those community- based 966 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,880 organizations. So a good example of 967 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,200 this, when we have an in-person event 968 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,359 and folks show up, we will often ask 969 00:35:55,359 --> 00:35:56,480 like, "Oh, great. How'd you hear about 970 00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,800 it?" Right? um, oh, what what made you 971 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:00,400 come out today? And we we log that 972 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,160 mentally, but we actually do track that 973 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:03,760 feedback because what we're trying to 974 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,440 understand is how are we actually 975 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,359 connecting with people and are the 976 00:36:07,359 --> 00:36:10,079 messages that we're sharing out reaching 977 00:36:10,079 --> 00:36:12,880 a representative body of our community? 978 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:14,720 And that's so hard to identify just by 979 00:36:14,720 --> 00:36:16,560 looking at the numbers, right? So, it's 980 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,800 a combination of analyzing performance 981 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,599 of social media posts, right? or a open 982 00:36:21,599 --> 00:36:23,440 rate of an email campaign that we've 983 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,839 done, but matching that and benchmarking 984 00:36:25,839 --> 00:36:27,680 it with the feedback that we're getting 985 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,079 from staff and from attendees and 986 00:36:30,079 --> 00:36:31,920 looking at where are the gaps or is 987 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:33,440 there overlap that we can maybe lean 988 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,839 into. Um, and actually getting on Reddit 989 00:36:35,839 --> 00:36:37,119 was beyond just being a good best 990 00:36:37,119 --> 00:36:39,599 practice was the result of understanding 991 00:36:39,599 --> 00:36:41,200 we need to change our social media 992 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,119 strategy to match how the community is 993 00:36:43,119 --> 00:36:44,560 changing the ways they engage on those 994 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:50,230 platforms, right? 995 00:36:50,240 --> 00:36:53,760 Um along those lines, can I was really 996 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,560 um intrigued by what Gabby said about um 997 00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:58,320 building webs and can you tell me a 998 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,720 little bit more about how you establish 999 00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:03,440 some of those connections with um you 1000 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,040 know 1001 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,240 churches or people who may not be able 1002 00:37:08,240 --> 00:37:10,320 to be online. very often the 1003 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,720 marginalized people or those who are not 1004 00:37:12,720 --> 00:37:14,960 represented is because they don't aren't 1005 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:18,560 comfortable in public or can't come to 1006 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,640 uh can't use the regular channels of 1007 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:22,880 communication. So, um I was really 1008 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,040 interested to hear I'd be interested to 1009 00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:28,480 hear more about building these webs 1010 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,359 input from those populations who have a 1011 00:37:31,359 --> 00:37:34,160 harder time um connecting with our 1012 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:35,440 government. Can you tell me a little bit 1013 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,839 about that? 1014 00:37:37,839 --> 00:37:42,240 >> Yeah, absolutely. Um those webs start 1015 00:37:42,240 --> 00:37:45,280 really organically and sometimes a 1016 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,560 little boringly. Um the I think 1017 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,640 philosophy really started out of our 1018 00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:52,640 proclamation process which I don't know 1019 00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:54,640 how familiar folks are in the audience 1020 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:56,880 with the idea of proclamations. Um but 1021 00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,680 we realized very very early on that our 1022 00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:01,599 equity or our community and cultural 1023 00:38:01,599 --> 00:38:03,839 proclamations were best done when they 1024 00:38:03,839 --> 00:38:05,680 were written by the community members 1025 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:07,920 that really had those lived experiences. 1026 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:09,520 And so we started going out in the 1027 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,520 community and actually asking for them 1028 00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,680 to take part in writing those 1029 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,920 proclamations. And from there we started 1030 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:19,760 developing these like very um specific 1031 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,400 touch points for community members that 1032 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,079 we might not otherwise engage with. So 1033 00:38:24,079 --> 00:38:25,839 we were really intentional. we went out 1034 00:38:25,839 --> 00:38:27,920 and we found folks that represented 1035 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,880 those identities and not just like 1036 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:32,480 community members but folks that were 1037 00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:34,000 associated with some sort of community 1038 00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,040 organization um that was related to 1039 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,160 advocacy or related to that cultural 1040 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:44,320 experience. Um and so in using what is 1041 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:48,000 kind of a boring government process and 1042 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,000 turning it into a civic education and 1043 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,560 engagement activity um we started 1044 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,560 building trust in the community and then 1045 00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:56,960 from there um they just go out. So, we 1046 00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:58,560 try really hard not to work with the 1047 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:02,560 same um the same cultural group twice 1048 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,720 for a proclamation. And so, then we've 1049 00:39:04,720 --> 00:39:08,400 been able to build kind of um a a uh 1050 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,440 rolodex of folks who are active in our 1051 00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,520 community who have specific identities 1052 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:14,960 that we want represented and the 1053 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,200 feedback that we're looking to to bring 1054 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,440 in. And then um we touch base with them 1055 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,079 really regularly. So, we have um I have 1056 00:39:22,079 --> 00:39:24,640 calendar reminders set up um and our 1057 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:26,320 team has calendar reminders set up that 1058 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,640 is like, "Hey, if you haven't heard from 1059 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,960 somebody in a couple months, um check in 1060 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:32,400 with them, send them an email, ask what 1061 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,079 kind of projects they're working on." Um 1062 00:39:34,079 --> 00:39:35,839 and so really that person-toperson 1063 00:39:35,839 --> 00:39:38,480 connection, um meeting folks for coffee. 1064 00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:40,079 I think in the first six months that I 1065 00:39:40,079 --> 00:39:41,760 started working with the city, I was 1066 00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,720 meeting people for coffee like multiple 1067 00:39:44,720 --> 00:39:49,520 times a week. um just to really put that human interaction into place. Um so 1068 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,280 that they knew that they had somebody at 1069 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:52,640 the city that they could ask their 1070 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:54,560 questions to and even if I didn't have 1071 00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:56,160 the answer, I'd be able to find the 1072 00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,599 answer. Um and once you have, you know, 1073 00:39:59,599 --> 00:40:01,920 five or six folks in the community who 1074 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:03,359 really trust you and have worked with 1075 00:40:03,359 --> 00:40:05,440 you, they'll start vouching for you. Um 1076 00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,240 and saying, "Hey, actually, I know I 1077 00:40:08,240 --> 00:40:09,520 heard you're working on this project. 1078 00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:11,280 Have you considered this perspective? I 1079 00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:12,480 know somebody in the community who might 1080 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,480 be interested." Um, so it really is like 1081 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,040 very personto person. It's slowgoing 1082 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:22,320 work. Um, but we found that it's really meaningful in getting um, 1083 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,440 trusted, lasting um, mutually beneficial 1084 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,520 relationships in our community. Um, that 1085 00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:29,839 can be sustained over multiple years and 1086 00:40:29,839 --> 00:40:32,400 new employees. Um, one of the things 1087 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:33,839 that can be really difficult sometimes 1088 00:40:33,839 --> 00:40:36,240 for an organization is when um, one 1089 00:40:36,240 --> 00:40:37,920 person makes as a ton of relationships 1090 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:39,280 in the community, but those 1091 00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,040 relationships are really reliant on that 1092 00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,119 one person being in that one role. Um, 1093 00:40:43,119 --> 00:40:44,800 and so we try as much as possible to 1094 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,480 share those relationships with multiple 1095 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,400 staff members so that that web can stay 1096 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,440 really strong even if um, a staff member 1097 00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,359 leaves or if a community member leaves 1098 00:40:53,359 --> 00:40:55,599 the city. I hope that answered your 1099 00:40:55,599 --> 00:40:57,119 question. 1100 00:40:57,119 --> 00:40:58,880 >> Yeah, absolutely. That was really 1101 00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,599 helpful. 1102 00:41:01,599 --> 00:41:03,920 Commissioner Gustoson. 1103 00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,880 >> Hi, Sarah Gustoson here. I'm grateful 1104 00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,119 for a lot of things. First of all, I'm 1105 00:41:09,119 --> 00:41:10,960 grateful for the very substantive 1106 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:12,880 questions that my fellow commissioners 1107 00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,520 are asking because these questions have 1108 00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:19,119 really allowed us to see how well this 1109 00:41:19,119 --> 00:41:21,920 work has been going. If we take a moment 1110 00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:25,599 to reflect on what's happening here, um, 1111 00:41:25,599 --> 00:41:27,680 coordinator Gabby, 1112 00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:29,599 manager Mason, senior planner 1113 00:41:29,599 --> 00:41:31,440 Jacqueline, the work you've been 1114 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,119 describing, building trust through these 1115 00:41:33,119 --> 00:41:35,599 cultural events, letting equity move at 1116 00:41:35,599 --> 00:41:38,000 the speed of trust, using new tools like 1117 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,160 Reddit and AI, but taking accountability 1118 00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:43,200 for them. This is just what both needs. 1119 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:49,750 Gratefulness to everyone. Thank you. 1120 00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,000 Uh thank you, Commissioner Gerson. Um I 1121 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,640 just have a few more um quick quick 1122 00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,760 notes that I really I feel like um as 1123 00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:59,920 Commissioner Gerson said, uh getting the 1124 00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:02,720 answers to would just go on further to 1125 00:42:02,720 --> 00:42:04,160 um highlight the great works you guys 1126 00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,400 are doing. You talk about um a culture 1127 00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,440 of inclusion which is fantastic. It's 1128 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,480 very impermeable and 1129 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,560 for a lot of people is just pie in the 1130 00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:16,720 sky like oh those are beautiful words. 1131 00:42:16,720 --> 00:42:19,280 what you're what does that mean? And I 1132 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:20,960 really pick up, you know, through the 1133 00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,520 documentation I've seen through so many 1134 00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:25,680 events and um some of the the things 1135 00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,000 you're doing to reach out to um [snorts] 1136 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,560 cultural inclusion is phenomenal, but of 1137 00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:36,000 course cultural isn't our only um isn't the only marginalized populations 1138 00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,800 we're trying to draw in. And some of um 1139 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,599 there are so many other 1140 00:42:41,599 --> 00:42:44,240 less colorful populations 1141 00:42:44,240 --> 00:42:49,040 um such as uh the mentally ill um those 1142 00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,200 people who are homeless that it can be 1143 00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:56,560 harder to host a party um around and how what what efforts are you making 1144 00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:58,000 out? Can you talk to me more about 1145 00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:01,119 creating a culture of inclusion in our 1146 00:43:01,119 --> 00:43:04,004 city when I mean, [snorts] you know, 1147 00:43:04,004 --> 00:43:04,640 [clears throat] 1148 00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,119 it sounds insurmountable, but I I know 1149 00:43:07,119 --> 00:43:08,800 you guys have have techniques and 1150 00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:12,470 process already. 1151 00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,400 » Well, the good news is is those 1152 00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,640 challenges are um things that we work 1153 00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:18,319 on, right? And we've made progress on. 1154 00:43:18,319 --> 00:43:19,440 Gabby, did you want to jump in with 1155 00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:20,720 something? 1156 00:43:20,720 --> 00:43:22,160 >> Oh, you can go. If you got something to 1157 00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:23,040 say first, I can. 1158 00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:24,560 >> Sure. Well, you know, when we talk about 1159 00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,640 communications, um something that you 1160 00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:28,800 may be painting with your question is a 1161 00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:30,400 lot of it to say, "Hey, good news. This 1162 00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,640 is happening or we want your feedback on 1163 00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,200 this." But there's also many times um 1164 00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,040 that we have to communicate urgently or 1165 00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:38,480 quickly with the community and we know 1166 00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,800 we can't reach everyone. Um especially 1167 00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:42,400 when you're talking about folks who may 1168 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:47,520 be dealing with um different levels of access to information um or who may 1169 00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:49,280 be unhoused, those can be very 1170 00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:51,200 challenging folks to to reach, right? 1171 00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:52,480 because we don't necessarily know how 1172 00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:53,839 they engage with us. A print mailer 1173 00:43:53,839 --> 00:43:54,960 isn't going to make it to them, right? 1174 00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:56,160 We don't know what their access to 1175 00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:59,040 social media may be. So, we don't ignore 1176 00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:00,880 the fact that again the the web of 1177 00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:02,960 ambassadorship in our community through 1178 00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,280 relationships is a really important um 1179 00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:06,960 communications tool and a listening 1180 00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,440 tool. And I feel um strongly that the 1181 00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:10,560 work that we've done and the partnership 1182 00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:12,319 we have with Gabby and with Anand, we 1183 00:44:12,319 --> 00:44:14,240 talk very regularly about how can we 1184 00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:15,760 make sure that we both have our eyes and 1185 00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:17,760 ears um in different corners of the 1186 00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,079 community and that we recognize that not 1187 00:44:20,079 --> 00:44:21,920 everyone has the same level of access to 1188 00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:23,440 engage with us. Right. [snorts] So 1189 00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,119 that's a a philosophical approach that 1190 00:44:25,119 --> 00:44:26,880 we take in the way that we communicate 1191 00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:28,560 and I think that um a lot of the 1192 00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:29,920 relationship building that that Gabby's 1193 00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:31,119 been speaking to has has helped make 1194 00:44:31,119 --> 00:44:35,520 progress in that area. Gabby. 1195 00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:37,680 Um yeah, that's almost exactly what I 1196 00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,240 was going to say. Our human services um 1197 00:44:40,240 --> 00:44:42,480 program is really a major way that we do 1198 00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,280 that. So um we very regularly uh we have 1199 00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:48,240 a monthly human services um forum that 1200 00:44:48,240 --> 00:44:50,720 our human services coordinator leads and 1201 00:44:50,720 --> 00:44:53,520 that brings in um leaders of human 1202 00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,319 services organizations throughout the 1203 00:44:56,319 --> 00:44:59,280 entire King and Snowomish County area um 1204 00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,079 serving both residents. Um I think at 1205 00:45:02,079 --> 00:45:04,720 our last human services forum we had 1206 00:45:04,720 --> 00:45:08,240 like 70 plus um leaders of human 1207 00:45:08,240 --> 00:45:10,560 services organizations at those and 1208 00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:11,920 those are the folks that are working 1209 00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,240 directly with our community members 1210 00:45:14,240 --> 00:45:16,560 dayto-day. So at the city we aren't 1211 00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,960 doing that oneto-one work um of 1212 00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,359 providing services but they are um and 1213 00:45:21,359 --> 00:45:23,599 so we do have these um scheduled touch 1214 00:45:23,599 --> 00:45:25,280 points with them uh where they're 1215 00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,640 learning about projects they are um here 1216 00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:30,560 they're uh giving the feedback that they 1217 00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:32,560 are hearing out in the community back to 1218 00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:34,480 the city. Um, so we have kind of this 1219 00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:36,640 closed loop that we have um with folks 1220 00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:38,800 that are actually the ones that are 1221 00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:42,880 serving folks at organizations um for 1222 00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:44,560 folks that are experiencing food and 1223 00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:46,560 housing in security um who need 1224 00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,599 emergency funding. Um so for for any of 1225 00:45:49,599 --> 00:45:52,240 our organizations, they are um actively 1226 00:45:52,240 --> 00:45:54,000 participating in engagement with the 1227 00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,000 city already. Um and that's been 1228 00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:57,839 incredibly crucial when we think about 1229 00:45:57,839 --> 00:46:00,720 some of these big plans um that we we 1230 00:46:00,720 --> 00:46:02,800 want their feedback on. um but we don't 1231 00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:04,720 know where to get it. We are working 1232 00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:06,480 directly with the organizations that are 1233 00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,520 supporting them. Um we also specifically 1234 00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:12,319 when we think about disability advocacy 1235 00:46:12,319 --> 00:46:14,480 um we have really close relationships 1236 00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,440 with our disability um advocacy and 1237 00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,920 activism um and support programs in the 1238 00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:21,839 city of both. We work very closely with 1239 00:46:21,839 --> 00:46:24,319 Kindering uh the Alyssa Bernett Center 1240 00:46:24,319 --> 00:46:27,359 and together we shine. Um and so they've 1241 00:46:27,359 --> 00:46:28,800 been really really really strong 1242 00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,359 partners with us. We actually um I co-e 1243 00:46:31,359 --> 00:46:33,119 a class at the Alyssa Bernett Center 1244 00:46:33,119 --> 00:46:35,040 quarterly. Um they have a disability 1245 00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:36,800 self- advocacy class that we're heavily 1246 00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,200 involved in. Um, and so we really do try 1247 00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,119 to ensure that when we think about a 1248 00:46:41,119 --> 00:46:43,119 culture of inclusion, we're thinking 1249 00:46:43,119 --> 00:46:45,280 about all different aspects of the human 1250 00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,599 experience, whether that be um, class, 1251 00:46:47,599 --> 00:46:50,720 race, ability, um, origin of birth, like 1252 00:46:50,720 --> 00:46:53,920 so many different um, um, so many 1253 00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,480 different lived experiences, experience 1254 00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:58,480 marginalization in different ways, and 1255 00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:00,960 they overlap in very different ways. Um, 1256 00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:02,880 and so we try to be incredibly 1257 00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:04,720 considerate of all the different ways 1258 00:47:04,720 --> 00:47:06,960 that we can uh best reach out to our 1259 00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:08,720 city and make sure that everybody feels 1260 00:47:08,720 --> 00:47:15,670 included and is heard. 1261 00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:18,960 » Uh, thank you. That's a really helpful 1262 00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,200 um to know about. Along those same 1263 00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:25,839 lines, um as uh as part of the DEI 1264 00:47:25,839 --> 00:47:28,400 office, you know, I keep reflecting back 1265 00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:31,839 to this event in um I believe it was a 1266 00:47:31,839 --> 00:47:34,400 federal way just um a couple weeks ago 1267 00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:36,160 um between the police and the mentally 1268 00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:39,119 ill man. Um 1269 00:47:39,119 --> 00:47:40,960 how 1270 00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,200 do you work at all with law enforcement? 1271 00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,599 And I I believe that at one point law 1272 00:47:45,599 --> 00:47:48,640 enforcement had a a PACE officer or um a 1273 00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:50,480 crisis intervention team member, but I 1274 00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,240 haven't heard anything about that 1275 00:47:52,240 --> 00:47:55,839 recently. Do you work with a crisis 1276 00:47:55,839 --> 00:47:57,359 intervention team member and do you work 1277 00:47:57,359 --> 00:48:00,560 with law enforcement at all? 1278 00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:03,119 >> So I do. So the Basel Police Department 1279 00:48:03,119 --> 00:48:06,720 is when we think about the um one of the 1280 00:48:06,720 --> 00:48:08,480 departments within our city government 1281 00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:11,520 that I help advise, serve, train, 1282 00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:13,440 consult with. Um, I do work with them 1283 00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,200 quite heavily. Um, I'm working on 1284 00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,680 projects with them right now. Um, and we 1285 00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:18,960 talk a lot about training and 1286 00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:20,160 recruitment for law enforcement 1287 00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,400 officers. Um, and so yes, I do 1288 00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,319 absolutely work with them quite heavily. 1289 00:48:24,319 --> 00:48:27,520 Um, and then we do have a regional 1290 00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:32,079 crisis response team. Um, and that is 1291 00:48:32,079 --> 00:48:35,280 um, it serves multiple cities within our 1292 00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,319 region. Um, but it does um, work in with 1293 00:48:38,319 --> 00:48:39,680 the Basel Police Department quite 1294 00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:41,760 heavily. Uh I've worked with them on 1295 00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:45,200 projects um uh here and there, but 1296 00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:47,520 they're oftentimes out in the field. Um 1297 00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:50,079 and so I don't work with them um I would 1298 00:48:50,079 --> 00:48:51,680 say like routinely, but I have worked 1299 00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:53,680 with them before. I know their names. I 1300 00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:55,680 know like who they are um and have 1301 00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,160 interact with them. Um but I don't work 1302 00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:03,670 with them on a day-to-day basis. 1303 00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:06,000 » Thank you. Um Commissioner Lever, did 1304 00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:07,680 you have a comment you'd like to make? 1305 00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,400 >> Yeah, thank you. So I I guess uh the one 1306 00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:13,040 thing that I um I'd like maybe like um 1307 00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:14,960 offer a suggestion. I know often times 1308 00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,119 we talk about community and who might 1309 00:49:17,119 --> 00:49:19,760 not be at the table who who is the 1310 00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:21,599 community and there's a lot of that up 1311 00:49:21,599 --> 00:49:23,359 that comes our way through the different 1312 00:49:23,359 --> 00:49:25,040 presentations and it always seems to 1313 00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:27,920 come from different sources or uh 1314 00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:29,599 points. So even as we are discussing 1315 00:49:29,599 --> 00:49:31,839 today what it means to communicate like 1316 00:49:31,839 --> 00:49:33,440 really sort of having that one template 1317 00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:35,280 that can be incorporated in every 1318 00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:37,280 document that we receive just to really 1319 00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:39,040 remind us of who is it that we're 1320 00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:41,920 talking about because even as you're uh 1321 00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:43,359 mentioning sort of like the own house 1322 00:49:43,359 --> 00:49:46,160 and others even we know that we may not 1323 00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:48,160 know exactly how many own house may be 1324 00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,960 within our city uh but there are some 1325 00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,760 data points that we can reference to and 1326 00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:55,599 rather than and I think it'll be super 1327 00:49:55,599 --> 00:49:59,119 helpful for us to always remember who is 1328 00:49:59,119 --> 00:50:01,839 not at the table, but we want to really 1329 00:50:01,839 --> 00:50:03,680 honor their presence through the data 1330 00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:05,280 points that you do have and try to 1331 00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:07,760 standardize that. uh so that it's almost 1332 00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:10,079 like it drilling it to us because we 1333 00:50:10,079 --> 00:50:11,760 always talk about okay who is not at the 1334 00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:13,599 table and to your point some people may 1335 00:50:13,599 --> 00:50:15,440 respond to one particular initiative but 1336 00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:17,520 not the other and the more that we 1337 00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:19,440 understand who's not really who do we 1338 00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:21,920 need and is not there and then who is 1339 00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:23,920 way too much in there that will be super 1340 00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:25,280 helpful and I think if we could just 1341 00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:26,720 have something that could be standard 1342 00:50:26,720 --> 00:50:29,040 and and that will help us really 1343 00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:32,160 understand the who uh will be a helpful 1344 00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:42,870 tool just thank you 1345 00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:44,400 Commissioners, further comments, 1346 00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:47,119 questions? 1347 00:50:47,119 --> 00:50:54,870 Well, I know that this has been very beneficial towards me. Um, 1348 00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:58,079 very um very appreciative of everything 1349 00:50:58,079 --> 00:51:02,559 you've um helped us understand today. Um 1350 00:51:02,559 --> 00:51:04,800 and uh again, we look forward to hearing 1351 00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:08,559 more from you. Don't be strangers to um 1352 00:51:08,559 --> 00:51:10,160 the commission. We are we're always 1353 00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:11,920 interested in um what you're hearing 1354 00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,559 from all aspects of community. 1355 00:51:14,559 --> 00:51:15,839 >> Excellent. Thank you, commissioners. 1356 00:51:15,839 --> 00:51:35,555 Appreciate it. 1357 00:51:35,565 --> 00:51:35,920 » [snorts] 1358 00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:38,720 >> Okay. Again, thank you to um planner 1359 00:51:38,720 --> 00:51:40,960 Samson, manager Leivera, and coordinator 1360 00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,200 Cona. Um the next is [clears throat] an 1361 00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:47,040 update on the bike parking code from 1362 00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:50,319 planner um Eric Jazooi. 1363 00:51:50,319 --> 00:51:54,230 Thank you, planner Jazooi. 1364 00:51:54,240 --> 00:51:58,240 » Thank you, chair and commissioners. Uh if you can just bear with me just 1365 00:51:58,240 --> 00:52:03,721 have to open my presentation. Thank you. 1366 00:52:03,731 --> 00:52:46,309 [snorts] 1367 00:52:46,319 --> 00:52:50,079 Okay. Uh, yes. Hello, commissioners. Um, 1368 00:52:50,079 --> 00:52:52,160 I'm Eric Jazooi, the long range planner 1369 00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:53,280 with the community development 1370 00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:54,960 department, 1371 00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:58,079 and I am here 1372 00:52:58,079 --> 00:53:02,079 presenting on uh draft proposed bike 1373 00:53:02,079 --> 00:53:04,880 parking standards. 1374 00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,440 No action is required today. This is 1375 00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:10,400 simply a study session on uh staff's 1376 00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:13,280 preliminary proposal and and discussion 1377 00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:16,240 among commissioners, questions and the 1378 00:53:16,240 --> 00:53:18,400 like. 1379 00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,559 The goal of this code update project is 1380 00:53:20,559 --> 00:53:22,720 to ensure optimal bike parking standards 1381 00:53:22,720 --> 00:53:24,480 are applied for new development or 1382 00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:26,800 redevelopment. 1383 00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:28,720 In my presentation, I'll be walking you 1384 00:53:28,720 --> 00:53:30,720 through the background information, some 1385 00:53:30,720 --> 00:53:33,280 data points, the draft proposed code 1386 00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,760 amendments, and opening it up for 1387 00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:37,440 planning disc planning commission 1388 00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:39,920 discussion at the end. 1389 00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:42,880 First, some background. 1390 00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:46,000 In December 2024, the comprehensive plan 1391 00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:49,760 update was adopted and it incorporated a 1392 00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:53,200 lot of new policies and and 1393 00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:56,160 information. Uh, one of those is was 1394 00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:58,079 policies was to emphasize travel by 1395 00:53:58,079 --> 00:54:00,079 non-auto modes including biking, walking 1396 00:54:00,079 --> 00:54:02,880 and transit and additionally requiring 1397 00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:04,720 new development where applicable to 1398 00:54:04,720 --> 00:54:06,640 incorporate appropriate design features 1399 00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:09,040 such as bicycle and micromobility 1400 00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:12,309 parking. 1401 00:54:12,319 --> 00:54:15,200 In 2025, mid 2025, the planning 1402 00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:17,920 commission and city council heard and 1403 00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:20,480 city council approved the repeal of 1404 00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:23,040 motor vehicle parking minimums as an 1405 00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:25,119 implementation action from the comp plan 1406 00:54:25,119 --> 00:54:28,480 update. At the same time that ordinance 1407 00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:30,240 established initial bike parking 1408 00:54:30,240 --> 00:54:33,839 standards in the code 1409 00:54:33,839 --> 00:54:35,680 since the initial bike parking standards 1410 00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:37,920 were adopted. This was about I believe 1411 00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:40,400 June mid 2025. The department has 1412 00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:42,240 received multiple project applications 1413 00:54:42,240 --> 00:54:44,960 and observed that the standards resulted 1414 00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:47,599 in quite large quantities of bicycle 1415 00:54:47,599 --> 00:54:51,270 parking being required. 1416 00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:53,920 So the community development department 1417 00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,160 proposed revisiting the existing bike 1418 00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:57,599 parking standards with planning 1419 00:54:57,599 --> 00:54:59,359 commission in May where we held an 1420 00:54:59,359 --> 00:55:01,280 initial study session to get your 1421 00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:03,440 preliminary feedback. 1422 00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:05,599 We heard a variety of comments and 1423 00:55:05,599 --> 00:55:08,559 questions and I hope that these 1424 00:55:08,559 --> 00:55:10,559 summarize at least the major points we 1425 00:55:10,559 --> 00:55:12,559 heard from planning commission to 1426 00:55:12,559 --> 00:55:14,800 collect both specific data on bike 1427 00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:16,800 parking usage. 1428 00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:19,119 uh that proximity to bike facilities and 1429 00:55:19,119 --> 00:55:22,640 transit um stations is important. Focus 1430 00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:24,480 on focusing on the quality of bike 1431 00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:26,319 parking and the accessibility of bike 1432 00:55:26,319 --> 00:55:29,280 parking uh among many other areas of 1433 00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:34,710 interest listed here. 1434 00:55:34,720 --> 00:55:36,000 One of those requests from planning 1435 00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:37,280 commission involved collecting some 1436 00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:40,000 basic local data. So since May, we 1437 00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:41,680 conducted a survey to sample bike 1438 00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:43,680 parking information using telephone and 1439 00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:45,920 observational methods. 1440 00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:47,599 For the survey, we sampled a wide 1441 00:55:47,599 --> 00:55:49,760 variety of land uses both in downtown 1442 00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:54,160 and suburban areas of the city. 1443 00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:55,839 More information on this data is in 1444 00:55:55,839 --> 00:55:57,680 attachment two of your staff of the 1445 00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:00,160 staff report. Uh but summarized here for 1446 00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:03,119 uh long-term bike parking, we observed 1447 00:56:03,119 --> 00:56:06,400 for residential uses that around 20% of 1448 00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:09,040 residents used the bike any existing 1449 00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:12,559 long-term bike parking. Uh or uh said 1450 00:56:12,559 --> 00:56:14,720 another way, about 25% of the dwelling 1451 00:56:14,720 --> 00:56:17,760 units uh utilized bike parking spaces 1452 00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:19,760 for non-residential uses. This could be 1453 00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:22,720 commercial, civic, 1454 00:56:22,720 --> 00:56:26,799 uh recreation, things like that. uh 1455 00:56:26,799 --> 00:56:28,400 maybe not in this case recreation but 1456 00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:31,920 office as another example. We observed 1457 00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:34,880 quite a wide range um the bounds of 1458 00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,839 which were between zero uh of those 1459 00:56:37,839 --> 00:56:40,400 long-term spaces were used and up to 15% 1460 00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:43,040 were used. Um again for for more 1461 00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:45,920 information on which land uses had which 1462 00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:48,880 uh you can look at attachment 2. 1463 00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:50,960 for short-term bike parking. This 1464 00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,040 observation involved driving around the 1465 00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:55,920 city and trying to find um bike racks 1466 00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:57,920 that were visible from the street or a 1467 00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:02,079 publicly accessible area where I found 1468 00:57:02,079 --> 00:57:05,520 bike racks in that in those locations. I 1469 00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:09,520 logged um the land use and found that 1470 00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:12,000 between none and one bike bike bike was 1471 00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,480 parked there at this specific point in 1472 00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:16,319 time. 1473 00:57:16,319 --> 00:57:21,750 So pretty low uh in my opinion. 1474 00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:24,240 Okay. The proposed draft amendments uh 1475 00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:25,839 after reviewing the background 1476 00:57:25,839 --> 00:57:27,680 information, best practices, other 1477 00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:29,920 jurisdictions approaches and the data 1478 00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:32,720 staff prepared and the data staff 1479 00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:34,400 prepared some draft proposed code 1480 00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:37,359 amendments for your consideration today. 1481 00:57:37,359 --> 00:57:39,040 Something to keep in mind before I dive 1482 00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:43,119 into the proposed changes is about the 1483 00:57:43,119 --> 00:57:47,680 existing code. Uh it applies 1484 00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:49,440 bike parking is required for any 1485 00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:51,520 occupancy permit of a new or enlarged 1486 00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:53,040 building. So that would be a a new 1487 00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:55,680 construction situation or for a change 1488 00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:59,280 of use in any existing building. Um the 1489 00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:02,559 current code is somewhat limited. 1490 00:58:02,559 --> 00:58:05,119 There's a a list of four land uses in 1491 00:58:05,119 --> 00:58:07,440 there that have to provide bike parking. 1492 00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:09,280 That would be multif family housing, 1493 00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:11,520 commercial uses, office uses, and 1494 00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:13,680 attended off- streetet parking uses. So 1495 00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:15,520 that would be a parking garage, paid 1496 00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:18,880 parking garage situation. 1497 00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:21,280 Besides that, no other uses are required 1498 00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:25,600 to provide bike parking in today's code. 1499 00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:27,599 [clears throat] 1500 00:58:27,599 --> 00:58:31,040 So the first proposed change for your 1501 00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:33,119 consideration is the applicability of 1502 00:58:33,119 --> 00:58:34,880 the regulations. 1503 00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:37,680 Staff is proposing to require the 1504 00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:40,799 provision of bike parking for any 1505 00:58:40,799 --> 00:58:43,440 proposal within a quarter mile walking 1506 00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:46,079 distance of an existing bike facility or 1507 00:58:46,079 --> 00:58:49,280 a planned bike facility or a bus rapid 1508 00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:51,920 transit high-capacity transit station. 1509 00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:55,119 That would be like the uh stride line on 1510 00:58:55,119 --> 00:58:59,829 522. 1511 00:58:59,839 --> 00:59:01,119 And you can see a map of those 1512 00:59:01,119 --> 00:59:03,040 facilities on the right side of this 1513 00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:06,799 slide. There's bus st bus stops. Um most 1514 00:59:06,799 --> 00:59:09,680 of the very thick lines are are proposed 1515 00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:12,319 or planned um bike facilities and some 1516 00:59:12,319 --> 00:59:15,200 of the less bold lines, thinner lines 1517 00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:18,000 are existing. 1518 00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:21,430 [snorts] 1519 00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:23,280 Next, the proposed code would apply bike 1520 00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:25,040 parking rules to additional land use 1521 00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:29,119 types such as or including those excuse 1522 00:59:29,119 --> 00:59:31,359 me, additional land use types as listed 1523 00:59:31,359 --> 00:59:34,000 here. uh for example dormitories, 1524 00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:36,480 government services, industrial uses, 1525 00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:39,680 health and social services uh and so on. 1526 00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:41,760 None of these are currently required to 1527 00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:47,670 provide bike parking today. 1528 00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:49,760 While the regula the regulations would 1529 00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:52,240 be broadened as mentioned previously, 1530 00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:54,079 they would also incorporate recognition 1531 00:59:54,079 --> 00:59:56,400 of special cases. 1532 00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:58,640 First, there would be reductions allowed 1533 00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:01,520 for STEP housing, which is defined as 1534 01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:03,040 supportive housing, transitional 1535 01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:05,359 housing, emergency housing, and housing 1536 01:00:05,359 --> 01:00:08,480 for people with disabilities. 1537 01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:12,799 Recognizing that those situations may 1538 01:00:12,799 --> 01:00:19,750 have uh less demand for bicycle parking. 1539 01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:22,160 Also, deviations would be allowed to the 1540 01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:24,880 uh to the proposed quantities 1541 01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:28,319 uh as long as an applicant submitted 1542 01:00:28,319 --> 01:00:31,200 sufficient evidence that they um could 1543 01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:37,430 provide less bike parking than required. 1544 01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:39,920 Next, exemptions. The proposed draft 1545 01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:43,359 code would establish certain land uses 1546 01:00:43,359 --> 01:00:45,280 to be exempt from providing bike 1547 01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:47,760 parking. Um, 1548 01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:49,760 single unit housing, that be single 1549 01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:51,839 family housing or a townhouse, senior 1550 01:00:51,839 --> 01:00:53,839 housing, 1551 01:00:53,839 --> 01:00:56,640 vehicle oriented uses like a gas station 1552 01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:59,839 or a automaintenance shop, parks, golf 1553 01:00:59,839 --> 01:01:02,400 courses, although [snorts] I have ridden 1554 01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:04,079 my bike to a golf course and played 1555 01:01:04,079 --> 01:01:08,160 golf, but not a common activity. So um 1556 01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:09,920 food trucks, outdoor dining, other 1557 01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:13,200 exemptions in the proposal, agricultural 1558 01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:15,119 uses, utilities, transportation 1559 01:01:15,119 --> 01:01:18,319 facilities, mortuaries and cemeteries, 1560 01:01:18,319 --> 01:01:20,400 essential public facilities and fire and 1561 01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:24,407 police stations. 1562 01:01:24,417 --> 01:01:26,319 [clears throat] Uh other special cases 1563 01:01:26,319 --> 01:01:30,079 uh that are in the proposal 1564 01:01:30,079 --> 01:01:32,319 is when there are large mixeduse 1565 01:01:32,319 --> 01:01:35,920 developments. Um, these would have bike 1566 01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:37,599 parking quantities determined by the 1567 01:01:37,599 --> 01:01:39,839 director based on the specific mix of 1568 01:01:39,839 --> 01:01:42,240 uses, context, 1569 01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:44,880 um, location, things like that. [snorts] 1570 01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:47,280 And any land uses, I tried to be 1571 01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:50,559 exhaustive in the proposed code, but if 1572 01:01:50,559 --> 01:01:52,480 there's anything that's not in there, 1573 01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:54,480 um, those would be again determined by 1574 01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:56,000 the community development director 1575 01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:58,960 looking at, um, similar land uses and 1576 01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:02,240 intensities and characteristics. 1577 01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:04,720 Lastly, the proposal would eliminate an 1578 01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:06,799 existing exemption. This is something we 1579 01:02:06,799 --> 01:02:08,799 heard from planning commission in May. 1580 01:02:08,799 --> 01:02:13,520 Um uh the current exemption allow uh ex 1581 01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:16,079 current uh regulation exempts small 1582 01:02:16,079 --> 01:02:19,760 buildings under 2500 square ft uh from 1583 01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:21,839 providing bike parking. We heard that 1584 01:02:21,839 --> 01:02:23,920 there may be small uses that should have 1585 01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:26,880 a space or two. So um we propose to 1586 01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:29,200 delete that exemption based on planning 1587 01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:32,559 commission's feedback. 1588 01:02:32,559 --> 01:02:34,559 Okay. So, first the quantity 1589 01:02:34,559 --> 01:02:36,559 requirements. 1590 01:02:36,559 --> 01:02:38,640 Uh these this is I know kind of a lot of 1591 01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:41,599 text and and numbers and things. So, um 1592 01:02:41,599 --> 01:02:43,200 at the end I'm happy to to walk you 1593 01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:46,880 through any of these in specific uh 1594 01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:48,559 cases. 1595 01:02:48,559 --> 01:02:51,119 But the proposal would generally reduce 1596 01:02:51,119 --> 01:02:53,599 the required or the proposal would 1597 01:02:53,599 --> 01:02:55,280 reduce the required amount for multif 1598 01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:58,799 family residential shown here. 1599 01:02:58,799 --> 01:03:00,720 It would also clarify the amount 1600 01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:02,640 required for co-living units as that's 1601 01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:05,359 not currently uh listed in the use maybe 1602 01:03:05,359 --> 01:03:08,319 multif family in the current code. 1603 01:03:08,319 --> 01:03:10,319 Affordable housing would be required to 1604 01:03:10,319 --> 01:03:11,760 provide one and a half times the 1605 01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:13,839 residential quantity. Uh understanding 1606 01:03:13,839 --> 01:03:17,119 that potentially people may um rely more 1607 01:03:17,119 --> 01:03:19,680 on their bikes in those types of land 1608 01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:21,599 uses. 1609 01:03:21,599 --> 01:03:23,760 Uh again, supportive transitional 1610 01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:25,920 housing, emergency housing, and housing 1611 01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:29,039 for people with disabilities uh would be 1612 01:03:29,039 --> 01:03:31,119 permitted for half the residential 1613 01:03:31,119 --> 01:03:33,039 quantities in the first two rows 1614 01:03:33,039 --> 01:03:35,119 depending on whether that step housing 1615 01:03:35,119 --> 01:03:38,640 is as a co-living or a multifamily type 1616 01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:42,960 building. Um in any case, two spaces 1617 01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:45,280 would be required regardless uh of what 1618 01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:51,190 these calculations result in. 1619 01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:54,319 Next list of uses 1620 01:03:54,319 --> 01:03:56,079 would apply long-term bike parking 1621 01:03:56,079 --> 01:03:58,160 requirements to non-residential uses 1622 01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:00,400 based on the pro based on the proportion 1623 01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:03,280 of employees. So, in the proposal, we 1624 01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:06,720 established uh one bike parking space 1625 01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:10,000 per 20 employees or staff. [snorts] 1626 01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:12,480 Uh this is different than what's common 1627 01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:14,400 uh in other places where it's based on 1628 01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:16,160 the square footage. We thought this was 1629 01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:18,400 a little bit more straightforward and 1630 01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:21,520 easier to understand 1631 01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:23,680 for those uses here that are currently 1632 01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:26,720 regulated. So there's kind of some uses 1633 01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:28,960 added and some uses that that currently 1634 01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:30,960 have to provide bike parking. Those 1635 01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:33,039 currently regulated here, which is 1636 01:04:33,039 --> 01:04:35,760 specifically retail, uh eating and 1637 01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:38,400 drinking establishments, 1638 01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:40,720 um 1639 01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:42,559 the requirements proposed would 1640 01:04:42,559 --> 01:04:45,119 generally be lower than today. 1641 01:04:45,119 --> 01:04:47,280 for office use, which is currently 1642 01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:49,760 regulated, it would actually result in a 1643 01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:52,160 little bit more bike parking required. 1644 01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:54,480 Um, making an assumption of of square 1645 01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:57,200 footage per employee. 1646 01:04:57,200 --> 01:05:01,760 Uh, an added use, some added uses that would now be required to provide 1647 01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:03,440 bike parking, business and personal 1648 01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:06,319 service, um, recreation, culture and 1649 01:05:06,319 --> 01:05:12,390 entertainment, and industrial. 1650 01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:14,319 Last quantity slides. So, thank you for 1651 01:05:14,319 --> 01:05:16,319 bearing with me here. Uh, these are all 1652 01:05:16,319 --> 01:05:18,799 new uses uh that would propose be 1653 01:05:18,799 --> 01:05:21,200 proposed to be added into the code. Once 1654 01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:24,720 again, uh the long-term spaces based on 1655 01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:27,440 the number of employees [snorts] and 1656 01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:30,000 short-term uh parking standards are are 1657 01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:34,480 established as well, of course. Um and I would say in in these cases and 1658 01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:36,400 the ones previously, they all sort of 1659 01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:39,280 result in a a lesser or sort of a lower 1660 01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:43,599 end um compared to other jurisdictions. 1661 01:05:43,599 --> 01:05:46,160 um parking requirements. So, it's kind 1662 01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:50,079 of a a recognition of again that that 1663 01:05:50,079 --> 01:05:52,400 basic data collection we did around both 1664 01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:55,920 seeing that um [snorts] bicycle use at 1665 01:05:55,920 --> 01:06:02,470 non-residential locations is is limited. 1666 01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:03,920 Another comment we heard from planning 1667 01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:05,760 commission in May is to focus on quality 1668 01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:08,160 over quantity. So, we added regulations 1669 01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:10,160 to that end. Specifically, making sure 1670 01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:12,880 that these bike parking spaces are 1671 01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:15,760 easily to easy to access by people with 1672 01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:18,559 different abilities. Uh, specifically, 1673 01:06:18,559 --> 01:06:20,559 you shouldn't have to lift your bike 1674 01:06:20,559 --> 01:06:22,799 very high or over your head in order to 1675 01:06:22,799 --> 01:06:25,440 use the spaces 1676 01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:28,640 or ascend stairs with your bike, for 1677 01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:33,280 example. Also, the bike racks must fully 1678 01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:35,119 support bikes, making them easier to 1679 01:06:35,119 --> 01:06:38,000 use. And then the regulations include 1680 01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:40,480 guidance or recommendations um to 1681 01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:43,200 include but this is not required again 1682 01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:44,480 what we heard from planning commission 1683 01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:46,400 bicycle supportive amenities such as 1684 01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:52,950 showers, lockers, repair stations. 1685 01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:54,480 Another component of the bike parking 1686 01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:56,880 discussion we've had centers around some 1687 01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:59,440 added regulatory flexibility. 1688 01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:01,680 The proposal would eliminate a 1689 01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:03,920 requirement that short-term bike parking 1690 01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:06,079 has to be within 50 ft of front 1691 01:07:06,079 --> 01:07:08,880 entrances recognizing that that is 1692 01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:11,599 challenging and can lead to some uh 1693 01:07:11,599 --> 01:07:16,640 unusual spaces and in front areas. So we 1694 01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:20,240 are still retaining it as a qualitative 1695 01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:22,400 requirement but not a quantitative 1696 01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:24,400 requirement. the full first bullet 1697 01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:26,720 point. 1698 01:07:26,720 --> 01:07:29,599 Also allowing um reductions. If there's 1699 01:07:29,599 --> 01:07:32,000 any on street bike parking, of course, 1700 01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:35,200 then they would be able to net out any 1701 01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:37,359 um short-term bike parking requirement 1702 01:07:37,359 --> 01:07:39,839 that they had to provide. 1703 01:07:39,839 --> 01:07:42,559 Some short-term spaces can be located in 1704 01:07:42,559 --> 01:07:44,799 recreation spa, required recreation 1705 01:07:44,799 --> 01:07:46,960 space or open spaces limited. I think 1706 01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:49,599 it's about 10% 1707 01:07:49,599 --> 01:07:53,599 of the open space. also adding um the 1708 01:07:53,599 --> 01:07:55,440 permitted another permitted type of 1709 01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:57,920 long-term bike parking as lockers. We 1710 01:07:57,920 --> 01:08:02,079 see these um quite prodigiously around 1711 01:08:02,079 --> 01:08:04,880 transit stations, for example. And these 1712 01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:07,440 could be lockers uh within a building 1713 01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:09,440 for example, not necessarily just on the 1714 01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:11,680 street like this example. 1715 01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:15,839 Also, um we can we would allow netting 1716 01:08:15,839 --> 01:08:18,000 out of your requirements if you provide 1717 01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:21,440 bike parking in the unit. Now there has 1718 01:08:21,440 --> 01:08:23,920 some qualifiers and there needs to be a 1719 01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:26,239 very clear space for um the bike in the 1720 01:08:26,239 --> 01:08:30,319 unit and again you cannot just say oh 1721 01:08:30,319 --> 01:08:32,239 they'll climb some stairs carry it up 1722 01:08:32,239 --> 01:08:36,000 and you know maneuver by um uh by the by 1723 01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:37,600 the bins to get it in there. So there 1724 01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:40,880 has to be a very easy um pathway to to 1725 01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:43,040 maneuver the bike um elevator if it's on 1726 01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:45,440 a second floor for example. 1727 01:08:45,440 --> 01:08:47,120 And lastly, we would allow further 1728 01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:49,679 conversion of existing vehicle parking 1729 01:08:49,679 --> 01:08:51,759 um if an applicant chose to want to go 1730 01:08:51,759 --> 01:08:54,407 that way. [snorts] 1731 01:08:54,407 --> 01:08:55,040 [sighs and gasps] 1732 01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:57,199 Other kind of various [clears throat] 1733 01:08:57,199 --> 01:08:59,520 changes recognizing and accommodating 1734 01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:01,920 other personal microobility devices such 1735 01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:03,920 as scooters in the requirements, making 1736 01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:07,440 sure that those can be accommodated. Uh 1737 01:09:07,440 --> 01:09:09,279 safe, we heard about safety and and how 1738 01:09:09,279 --> 01:09:11,279 to to incorporate that. Um, one of the 1739 01:09:11,279 --> 01:09:13,759 things we found is is uh can add a 1740 01:09:13,759 --> 01:09:15,359 requirement to prohibit blocking 1741 01:09:15,359 --> 01:09:19,679 pedestrian routes um for the when they 1742 01:09:19,679 --> 01:09:22,799 lock the the bike up. 1743 01:09:22,799 --> 01:09:24,560 Also a note just sort of about kind of 1744 01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:27,520 code minutia. We are um proposing to 1745 01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:29,440 kind of centralize all the bike parking 1746 01:09:29,440 --> 01:09:32,239 in this section and delete what's in the 1747 01:09:32,239 --> 01:09:35,520 downtown um bike parking standards. Um 1748 01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:38,319 those downtown standards are are a bit 1749 01:09:38,319 --> 01:09:41,440 more stringent. Um, so again, just just 1750 01:09:41,440 --> 01:09:43,839 for your awareness 1751 01:09:43,839 --> 01:09:45,359 and there's just other kind of general 1752 01:09:45,359 --> 01:09:47,040 code cleanup and improvements and 1753 01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:50,400 fine-tuning and things. 1754 01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:54,400 Okay. Um, I do want to go through like I 1755 01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:56,480 did some calculations on various land 1756 01:09:56,480 --> 01:09:58,960 uses and projects so that we can 1757 01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:02,159 translate like these percentages into 1758 01:10:02,159 --> 01:10:04,719 the real world. But maybe I'll pause and 1759 01:10:04,719 --> 01:10:06,320 take some questions on what I've 1760 01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:10,709 presented so far. 1761 01:10:10,719 --> 01:10:12,800 Commissioners. 1762 01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:16,640 >> Yes, Commissioner Gon. 1763 01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:20,320 >> Couple of thoughts. Um, I'm not sure 1764 01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:22,800 about exempting parks. A lot of people 1765 01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:26,239 ride to parks. Um, I think there should 1766 01:10:26,239 --> 01:10:29,520 be some facility there. Uh, food trucks. 1767 01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:31,840 I understand an individual food truck, 1768 01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:34,239 but if we go and have a food truck pod 1769 01:10:34,239 --> 01:10:36,000 in this corner here, I think there 1770 01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:37,600 should certainly be something 1771 01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:40,480 accommodating there. Whoops. So, there's 1772 01:10:40,480 --> 01:10:43,760 that. Um, you look at poolled 1773 01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:46,719 facilities. For instance, if businesses 1774 01:10:46,719 --> 01:10:48,480 on Main Street had a rack, [snorts] 1775 01:10:48,480 --> 01:10:53,669 could that serve them all? 1776 01:10:53,679 --> 01:10:57,600 » I mean, there would not be a limitation. 1777 01:10:57,600 --> 01:10:59,840 uh we would not prohibit that I guess 1778 01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:02,719 and you know I think there's one of the 1779 01:11:02,719 --> 01:11:05,840 proposed standards says you have to 1780 01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:07,520 provide short-term bike parking near the 1781 01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:10,719 front entrance again there's no foot 1782 01:11:10,719 --> 01:11:14,159 distance and then combined with another 1783 01:11:14,159 --> 01:11:16,719 uh regulation we're adding is that you 1784 01:11:16,719 --> 01:11:20,159 can net out existing or if you want to 1785 01:11:20,159 --> 01:11:22,800 install on street bike parking so we 1786 01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:24,400 would look maybe again Main Street 1787 01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:26,640 example is the next door business have a 1788 01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:29,040 on street space like that would be fine 1789 01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:31,679 to net out and now maybe that's such a 1790 01:11:31,679 --> 01:11:33,760 small use they don't have to provide 1791 01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:34,960 >> the frontage so 1792 01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:35,520 >> okay 1793 01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:36,480 >> yes 1794 01:11:36,480 --> 01:11:38,719 >> and are you looking to somehow address 1795 01:11:38,719 --> 01:11:42,320 the rental ebikes and scooters you do 1796 01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:44,560 see them scattered about 1797 01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:47,920 >> not in this proposal 1798 01:11:47,920 --> 01:11:53,679 um I believe there is some work by the 1799 01:11:53,679 --> 01:11:55,199 public works department on a 1800 01:11:55,199 --> 01:11:57,600 microobility strategy 1801 01:11:57,600 --> 01:12:00,800 And um I think that that may address 1802 01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:02,880 that. I'm not super sure. 1803 01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:05,440 >> Okay. 1804 01:12:05,440 --> 01:12:09,520 And finally in um you talk about um 1805 01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:12,000 quarter mile walking distance as far as 1806 01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:14,480 the applicability. That seems a little 1807 01:12:14,480 --> 01:12:17,920 short for a bicycle. I mean you could 1808 01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:19,760 riding a quarter mile on a bike is 1809 01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:22,239 really nothing. So you might look at 1810 01:12:22,239 --> 01:12:26,880 broadening that out a little bit. And I do, excuse [clears throat] me, I do 1811 01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:29,440 think bicycle use is changing with the 1812 01:12:29,440 --> 01:12:31,920 rise of ebikes. And I'll just say based 1813 01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:33,679 on personal experience, I walk by the 1814 01:12:33,679 --> 01:12:35,040 middle school Henry Park Middle School 1815 01:12:35,040 --> 01:12:37,360 every day with my dog. And for a long 1816 01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:39,040 time, there were very few bikes there, 1817 01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:41,440 much to my disappointment. Uh but I've 1818 01:12:41,440 --> 01:12:45,120 noted in the last year or so increasing 1819 01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:47,760 numbers of ebikes. So I think you may 1820 01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:49,360 see some changes. Things may be 1821 01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:50,640 different in a couple years than they 1822 01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:53,199 are now. as they come, prices come down, 1823 01:12:53,199 --> 01:12:54,560 they're more and more in use. So, I'd 1824 01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:58,560 say keep your m keep your eyes on that. 1825 01:12:58,560 --> 01:12:59,760 >> Thank you. 1826 01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:02,719 >> Uh, thank you, Commissioner. And I 1827 01:13:02,719 --> 01:13:04,640 appreciate the feedback and I'll I'll 1828 01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:06,880 take that back to the team. Um, I do 1829 01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:08,320 want to follow up on just one of your 1830 01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:11,840 comments if that's all right. Um, 1831 01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:14,719 on the quarter mile or half mile uh 1832 01:13:14,719 --> 01:13:17,679 radius, um, let me just show you the map 1833 01:13:17,679 --> 01:13:20,000 that I had. So, I I wanted to have it 1834 01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:22,239 for this meeting, but I couldn't quite 1835 01:13:22,239 --> 01:13:25,840 figure figure it out uh yet. I figured 1836 01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:27,840 it out today, but wasn't in time. So, I 1837 01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:30,000 wanted to sort of draw that that quarter 1838 01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:32,719 mile around these facilities 1839 01:13:32,719 --> 01:13:34,320 um 1840 01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:38,480 because I I have a hunch that it may be 1841 01:13:38,480 --> 01:13:40,719 covering almost the whole city. 1842 01:13:40,719 --> 01:13:43,120 extremely small pockets maybe of like a 1843 01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:45,120 culde-sac at the top of a hill at the 1844 01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:47,840 end of a street might not be covered um 1845 01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:50,400 by that quarter mile walk to a planned 1846 01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:54,400 bike facility. But um if we're talking 1847 01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:57,520 about half mile again I I want to do 1848 01:13:57,520 --> 01:13:59,440 this mapping exercise but I have a 1849 01:13:59,440 --> 01:14:01,280 feeling we're talking about that's just 1850 01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:03,760 going to blanket the whole city. Now, 1851 01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:06,880 um, so my follow-up question is, what do 1852 01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:09,280 you think about maybe just striking this 1853 01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:11,360 applicability and just saying it's not 1854 01:14:11,360 --> 01:14:14,000 limited? If we were talking about a half 1855 01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:17,600 mile, let's just make it simple. 1856 01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:20,480 >> I always like simple. [snorts] 1857 01:14:20,480 --> 01:14:22,080 >> Just to clarify, is that being it's more 1858 01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:24,480 about uh use and building type, 1859 01:14:24,480 --> 01:14:28,480 occupancy type instead of distance? 1860 01:14:28,480 --> 01:14:30,080 Because you got the list, you know, all 1861 01:14:30,080 --> 01:14:32,320 the places it applies. Is it sort of 1862 01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:35,040 saying we'll just leave it with that or 1863 01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:38,400 just omit the one quarter mile? 1864 01:14:38,400 --> 01:14:41,440 >> Yeah. So, so under what I've we have 1865 01:14:41,440 --> 01:14:44,159 prepared for you today, there would be 1866 01:14:44,159 --> 01:14:48,080 the first question to an applicant is, your site within a/4 mile walking 1867 01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:51,199 distance of these? They say no, okay, no 1868 01:14:51,199 --> 01:14:53,440 bike parking, you're good. They say yes, 1869 01:14:53,440 --> 01:14:56,560 then yes, what's your land use? If it's 1870 01:14:56,560 --> 01:14:58,880 here, here's your requirement. So yeah, 1871 01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:01,920 if uh if the commission is supportive of 1872 01:15:01,920 --> 01:15:05,360 Commissioner Kieran's um approach, then 1873 01:15:05,360 --> 01:15:07,520 we can strike that first step and and 1874 01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:09,600 again just be simply land use based uh 1875 01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:13,510 requirement. 1876 01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:16,239 » Sounds good to me. 1877 01:15:16,239 --> 01:15:17,679 >> Thank you. 1878 01:15:17,679 --> 01:15:21,440 >> Sounds good to me, too. 1879 01:15:21,440 --> 01:15:23,840 >> Looks like we have Yeah, broad agreement 1880 01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:25,600 there. 1881 01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:28,159 Commissioner Lavner. Um thank you and 1882 01:15:28,159 --> 01:15:30,239 thank you so much for the sample uh that 1883 01:15:30,239 --> 01:15:32,159 you provided for the survey that was 1884 01:15:32,159 --> 01:15:34,719 amazing. Thank you. I have a question 1885 01:15:34,719 --> 01:15:38,800 and I believe you shared some data uh on 1886 01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:41,280 like forecasting on like usage. So when 1887 01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:44,080 I think about both and I still see still 1888 01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:47,199 pretty much like maybe still suburbia uh 1889 01:15:47,199 --> 01:15:51,199 but we are moving more into urban area. 1890 01:15:51,199 --> 01:15:53,600 What are the forecasting for like bike 1891 01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:56,400 use? because we know that right now 1892 01:15:56,400 --> 01:15:58,400 maybe we're not using them as much but 1893 01:15:58,400 --> 01:16:00,960 with the ebikes and population trending 1894 01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:04,080 changes. What does that look like? Do 1895 01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:06,239 you have any I I remember you kind of 1896 01:16:06,239 --> 01:16:07,520 shared something around that? Do you 1897 01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:08,800 think the bike usage is going to 1898 01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:10,480 increase in both is going to remain the 1899 01:16:10,480 --> 01:16:12,560 same? Um overall I'm pretty supportive 1900 01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:14,400 of what you presented over here and I 1901 01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:16,320 really it makes sense. 1902 01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:18,800 >> But yeah, seeing your survey results and 1903 01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:20,880 what I see I don't think we're biking 1904 01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:23,280 much. Hello. 1905 01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:24,719 >> And that's one of my discussion 1906 01:16:24,719 --> 01:16:28,159 questions at the end. I I think and I've 1907 01:16:28,159 --> 01:16:29,600 sort of been consider we've been 1908 01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:32,159 considering this through the process is 1909 01:16:32,159 --> 01:16:34,400 do we and this is something we do as 1910 01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:36,560 planners is do we think about today's 1911 01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:38,239 conditions and plan for that or do we 1912 01:16:38,239 --> 01:16:40,320 think about how the city wants to be in 1913 01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:43,360 20 years and plan for that. So um that's 1914 01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:44,960 kind of a question for the commission. 1915 01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:47,520 Now, uh I will say I I'm not aware of 1916 01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:50,320 any bicycling use forecasts that the 1917 01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:54,080 city has prepared. Um I do know that the 1918 01:16:54,080 --> 01:16:57,520 bike plan um contains a vision statement 1919 01:16:57,520 --> 01:16:59,440 that is pretty strong and you know 1920 01:16:59,440 --> 01:17:01,280 envisions bicycling as a major mode of 1921 01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:05,120 transportation in the city. Um 1922 01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:07,280 so 1923 01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:10,320 anything else I want to say? Um, I think 1924 01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:13,760 we also know that, um, you know, in 1925 01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:15,280 regards to short-term bike parking, you 1926 01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:18,000 saw not not too much usage that I think 1927 01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:21,040 that kind of speaks to 1928 01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:22,640 that people maybe don't use their bikes 1929 01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:25,199 so much for basic transportation, going 1930 01:17:25,199 --> 01:17:27,679 shopping and things like that. But um 1931 01:17:27,679 --> 01:17:29,760 there is some some significant 1932 01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:33,199 residential bicycle ownership and uh I 1933 01:17:33,199 --> 01:17:37,360 did pull data from Strava uh and you 1934 01:17:37,360 --> 01:17:39,840 know which essentially records mostly 1935 01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:41,679 recreational bicycle usage and obviously 1936 01:17:41,679 --> 01:17:44,080 we have the Berg Gillan Trail uh we have 1937 01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:46,560 other uh the North North Creek Trail. So 1938 01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:50,080 um I would say you know quite a notable 1939 01:17:50,080 --> 01:17:52,560 use of of recreational bicycling in the 1940 01:17:52,560 --> 01:17:54,000 city. Um, I'm sorry I don't have any 1941 01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:59,679 specific numbers, but that's sort of my information. 1942 01:17:59,679 --> 01:18:00,800 >> Commissioner Westerbeck, 1943 01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:02,239 >> first of all, are you is there more 1944 01:18:02,239 --> 01:18:03,679 presentation or should we just do 1945 01:18:03,679 --> 01:18:04,320 comments now? 1946 01:18:04,320 --> 01:18:06,080 >> There's more on talking about the 1947 01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:07,120 quantities. So, 1948 01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:07,679 >> okay. Yeah, 1949 01:18:07,679 --> 01:18:09,120 >> I'll just make general comments. First 1950 01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:10,800 of all, [clears throat] um, I thought 1951 01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:13,679 the the code we had was pretty, you 1952 01:18:13,679 --> 01:18:15,679 know, maybe a little little heavy and so 1953 01:18:15,679 --> 01:18:20,239 I had been a critic of this, but I've bike commuted on and off for gosh 1954 01:18:20,239 --> 01:18:23,360 since the 80s. So, yeah. um much like 1955 01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:25,040 Cher Kieran and probably almost every 1956 01:18:25,040 --> 01:18:27,040 job I've had I've accumulated at least 1957 01:18:27,040 --> 01:18:29,600 during the the nicer months. So at the 1958 01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:32,080 same time I also manage some apartments 1959 01:18:32,080 --> 01:18:34,400 and and things like that. So I see the 1960 01:18:34,400 --> 01:18:35,920 long-term parking being the really 1961 01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:37,199 important one. Everybody everybody's got 1962 01:18:37,199 --> 01:18:38,400 a bike and they want a place to put it 1963 01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:39,679 even if they don't ride it very often. 1964 01:18:39,679 --> 01:18:41,040 And then more and more I'm seeing they 1965 01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:42,880 are the the more difficult bikes to move 1966 01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:44,320 ebikes and things things like that. So 1967 01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:46,159 I'm really I went I read through all 1968 01:18:46,159 --> 01:18:47,840 everything. I think this is a massive 1969 01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:49,920 just see change improvement and I think 1970 01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:52,000 it's a great starting point. I think if 1971 01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:54,640 we do see um like my wife works at a 1972 01:18:54,640 --> 01:18:57,920 high school and as Cher Kieran said at 1973 01:18:57,920 --> 01:18:59,440 the high school there's so many more 1974 01:18:59,440 --> 01:19:01,679 kids riding um ebikes now. I mean 1975 01:19:01,679 --> 01:19:02,960 they're mostly trying not to pedal. 1976 01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:04,320 They're just basically scooters for them 1977 01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:06,320 but nonetheless they're doing that 1978 01:19:06,320 --> 01:19:08,000 instead of getting driven or whatever. 1979 01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:10,080 So that's pretty cool. And um so they're 1980 01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:11,520 wrestling with that at the schools I 1981 01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:13,600 think. But everybody's got a place to 1982 01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:15,354 put their bike. But um so 1983 01:19:15,354 --> 01:19:16,560 [clears throat] the long-term and 1984 01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:17,920 putting the emphasis on the long-term 1985 01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:21,600 storage for multif family and uh places 1986 01:19:21,600 --> 01:19:23,280 where people are want to store their 1987 01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:24,960 bikes, I think is really key. I'm glad 1988 01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:27,360 we're we're kind of focusing on that. Um 1989 01:19:27,360 --> 01:19:29,360 yeah, the short term makes sense to me. 1990 01:19:29,360 --> 01:19:31,074 And I think it is just like 1991 01:19:31,074 --> 01:19:32,960 [clears throat] any code in a few years 1992 01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:35,679 if we see a lot of uptake of ebikes or 1993 01:19:35,679 --> 01:19:38,400 even analog normal bikes we just you 1994 01:19:38,400 --> 01:19:39,840 know we tweak the code a little bit and 1995 01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:42,000 say oh we actually finally might need 1996 01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:43,840 some more racks. So I think it's a great 1997 01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:45,040 place to start. I think it's going to 1998 01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:46,560 help um [clears throat] with my 1999 01:19:46,560 --> 01:19:50,960 developer hat on um projects get done um 2000 01:19:50,960 --> 01:19:52,800 and you know maybe the the bike rooms 2001 01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:54,719 will be a little more easy to uh provide 2002 01:19:54,719 --> 01:19:56,880 for the long-term parking or inside the 2003 01:19:56,880 --> 01:19:59,280 unit or whatever. So overall, I'm just 2004 01:19:59,280 --> 01:20:00,880 really thrilled. I read every every word 2005 01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:03,840 of this. It's fantastic. I thought I thought it was a really good 2006 01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:07,920 um um overhaul. Um so I appreciate the 2007 01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:09,360 work a lot and that you guys have been 2008 01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:15,830 so responsive as well. 2009 01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:18,080 If I could just ask for something like 2010 01:20:18,080 --> 01:20:21,360 an office building, what does long-term 2011 01:20:21,360 --> 01:20:23,679 parking look like versus short-term 2012 01:20:23,679 --> 01:20:27,199 parking if people don't live there? 2013 01:20:27,199 --> 01:20:30,080 Right. Um I'm sorry I didn't include um 2014 01:20:30,080 --> 01:20:36,960 nice photos like I did in May, but the long-term parking for uh well I'll speak to city hall because I bike 2015 01:20:36,960 --> 01:20:39,199 here actually. So uh down in the parking 2016 01:20:39,199 --> 01:20:41,679 garage as you enter over there, there's 2017 01:20:41,679 --> 01:20:45,760 just a a cyclone fence cage um with a a 2018 01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:48,239 little padlock on it and then some some 2019 01:20:48,239 --> 01:20:50,159 metal metal racks you can lock your bike 2020 01:20:50,159 --> 01:20:52,320 to. So um that's what I've seen is sort 2021 01:20:52,320 --> 01:20:54,960 of the basic um approach is just in the 2022 01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:56,880 parking garage uh you know secured 2023 01:20:56,880 --> 01:20:59,120 space. It can be a storage room like 2024 01:20:59,120 --> 01:21:02,239 let's say a restaurant auxiliary space 2025 01:21:02,239 --> 01:21:05,199 um for the long term again um some 2026 01:21:05,199 --> 01:21:07,600 examples and then shortterm uh is that 2027 01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:10,400 simple sort of U rack or something like 2028 01:21:10,400 --> 01:21:12,960 that um by the front door or near the 2029 01:21:12,960 --> 01:21:16,080 frontage the front sidewalk whatever um 2030 01:21:16,080 --> 01:21:18,960 for just visitors or guests. 2031 01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:20,320 So, [snorts] what I'm hearing is the 2032 01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:24,239 level of security um long-term will have 2033 01:21:24,239 --> 01:21:26,000 more security versus the short term. Is 2034 01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:26,800 that what I'm hearing? 2035 01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:28,800 >> That's correct. And yeah, assuming you 2036 01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:30,239 know people leave their bikes there for 2037 01:21:30,239 --> 01:21:36,550 longer, they want more security. 2038 01:21:36,560 --> 01:21:37,920 » Um I actually just had one more 2039 01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:41,280 question. Um it was I'd love to hear the 2040 01:21:41,280 --> 01:21:43,280 thinking around not mandating parking 2041 01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:45,440 for parks. That really surprised me, but 2042 01:21:45,440 --> 01:21:46,400 I'm sure there's something I'm 2043 01:21:46,400 --> 01:21:49,910 overlooking there. 2044 01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:53,679 I would say it it was less common in 2045 01:21:53,679 --> 01:21:57,120 reviewing um other jurisdictions codes. 2046 01:21:57,120 --> 01:22:02,480 Another factor uh we considered is, 2047 01:22:02,480 --> 01:22:04,400 you know, typically parks are publicly 2048 01:22:04,400 --> 01:22:08,560 owned and, you know, the city um parks 2049 01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:10,719 department or the King County um parks 2050 01:22:10,719 --> 01:22:13,600 department would 2051 01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:15,920 factor in and probably include some 2052 01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:20,000 level of bike parking regardless. So, um 2053 01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:21,679 it's something we can add certainly if 2054 01:22:21,679 --> 01:22:23,760 that's the commission's wish. um we just 2055 01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:27,040 didn't see it as as a significant need. 2056 01:22:27,040 --> 01:22:28,800 But 2057 01:22:28,800 --> 01:22:31,679 that's all. 2058 01:22:31,679 --> 01:22:33,360 Um, just from my perspective, it seems 2059 01:22:33,360 --> 01:22:36,159 like of all the places in our community, 2060 01:22:36,159 --> 01:22:39,360 a park is is where we would see a lot of 2061 01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:41,120 people um, riding their [clears throat] 2062 01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:43,040 bikes, too. as we've been discussing 2063 01:22:43,040 --> 01:22:44,960 that recreation 2064 01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:50,080 um biking is um 2065 01:22:50,080 --> 01:22:52,880 is uh we have a lot of it in this 2066 01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:54,880 community and a park seems like a great 2067 01:22:54,880 --> 01:22:58,239 place to take a rest to 2068 01:22:58,239 --> 01:23:02,960 you know get some water and um for 2069 01:23:02,960 --> 01:23:04,480 people who are riding their bikes. So it 2070 01:23:04,480 --> 01:23:05,840 makes sense to me that we would at least 2071 01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:09,440 mandate some parking um for bikes. uh it 2072 01:23:09,440 --> 01:23:10,719 seems like, you know, a good starting 2073 01:23:10,719 --> 01:23:13,280 place and ending place for people taking 2074 01:23:13,280 --> 01:23:15,600 um bike rides with their family and 2075 01:23:15,600 --> 01:23:17,440 riding to community events and stuff 2076 01:23:17,440 --> 01:23:19,920 like that. So that that was my only 2077 01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:24,470 other comment. 2078 01:23:24,480 --> 01:23:26,480 » Commissioner Wester, did you have a 2079 01:23:26,480 --> 01:23:28,400 >> Okay. 2080 01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:31,360 So, uh 2081 01:23:31,360 --> 01:23:34,719 >> Oh, Commissioner Gersonson. 2082 01:23:34,719 --> 01:23:37,600 >> Hi, Sarah Gustoson here. Um, before I 2083 01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:40,719 make my point, I'm honestly curious. Has 2084 01:23:40,719 --> 01:23:43,679 anyone else here tried to bike or bike 2085 01:23:43,679 --> 01:23:46,239 commute as a resident of one of those 2086 01:23:46,239 --> 01:23:48,960 big downtown apartment buildings? I 2087 01:23:48,960 --> 01:23:52,480 have, but I don't want to assume that my 2088 01:23:52,480 --> 01:23:54,960 experience is universal before jumping 2089 01:23:54,960 --> 01:23:59,910 in. 2090 01:23:59,920 --> 01:24:03,360 Okay, I will go ahead on the code. I 2091 01:24:03,360 --> 01:24:05,040 raised this last session and I didn't 2092 01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:07,360 see it reflected yet. Um, so I'll put it 2093 01:24:07,360 --> 01:24:09,600 on the record. When I lived downtown for 2094 01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:13,280 nine months in 2023, 2024 and tried to 2095 01:24:13,280 --> 01:24:15,679 bike around the city, my apartment's 2096 01:24:15,679 --> 01:24:19,280 bike parking was full, but it was full 2097 01:24:19,280 --> 01:24:21,760 of underused bikes that barely ever 2098 01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:24,560 moved. So, I often had nowhere to lock 2099 01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:28,239 my bike. Right now, we're putting real 2100 01:24:28,239 --> 01:24:31,199 thought into car parking management. 2101 01:24:31,199 --> 01:24:32,880 um the same problem we see on our 2102 01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:34,719 streets where parking with no 2103 01:24:34,719 --> 01:24:38,000 enforcement means cars sit indefinitely. 2104 01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:40,320 Let's consider that in relation to 2105 01:24:40,320 --> 01:24:43,440 bikes. This code builds the spaces but 2106 01:24:43,440 --> 01:24:46,239 says nothing about parking management, 2107 01:24:46,239 --> 01:24:49,040 no responsible party, no process for 2108 01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:51,600 clearing abandoned or unused bikes. A 2109 01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:55,920 space that's permanently occupied um 2110 01:24:55,920 --> 01:25:00,159 isn't really a space. So that I I have 2111 01:25:00,159 --> 01:25:01,360 some more thoughts, but I'd like to see 2112 01:25:01,360 --> 01:25:10,070 how that lands. Thank you, [snorts] 2113 01:25:10,080 --> 01:25:11,120 » Commissioner West. 2114 01:25:11,120 --> 01:25:12,800 >> I'll just concur because I know 2115 01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:15,040 Commissioner August and I chatted about 2116 01:25:15,040 --> 01:25:17,199 that because I I would have loved to 2117 01:25:17,199 --> 01:25:18,560 have provided you space that I didn't 2118 01:25:18,560 --> 01:25:22,080 have any, but [laughter] um I uh I have 2119 01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:23,679 can see into some of those garages and 2120 01:25:23,679 --> 01:25:25,760 see that Yeah. like some of them just 2121 01:25:25,760 --> 01:25:28,159 sit forever. So, I think it's a it's a 2122 01:25:28,159 --> 01:25:31,360 key issue. I mean, maybe um you know, 2123 01:25:31,360 --> 01:25:33,199 this is getting really into the weeds. 2124 01:25:33,199 --> 01:25:34,719 You know, part of that management would 2125 01:25:34,719 --> 01:25:36,960 be they would um assign spots or 2126 01:25:36,960 --> 01:25:38,320 something like that and then and then 2127 01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:41,040 manage them um in some way, but I don't 2128 01:25:41,040 --> 01:25:42,320 know if that's going to be the perview 2129 01:25:42,320 --> 01:25:44,560 of the city or they encourage the the 2130 01:25:44,560 --> 01:25:47,199 apartment uh ownership to do that that 2131 01:25:47,199 --> 01:25:49,520 sort of management. So, I can't say I I 2132 01:25:49,520 --> 01:25:52,080 know a code that would cover that right 2133 01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:55,440 now, but I I I hear you cuz I was going 2134 01:25:55,440 --> 01:25:57,440 to say a few minutes ago, this sort of 2135 01:25:57,440 --> 01:25:59,040 relates. I worked at the University of 2136 01:25:59,040 --> 01:26:00,719 Washington for about a year and I rode 2137 01:26:00,719 --> 01:26:02,560 my bike again during the warmer months, 2138 01:26:02,560 --> 01:26:06,960 but um they had so many people as who 2139 01:26:06,960 --> 01:26:08,400 worked at the University of Washington 2140 01:26:08,400 --> 01:26:09,520 all over because they've got buildings 2141 01:26:09,520 --> 01:26:11,040 everywhere and this is in Seattle, not 2142 01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:14,159 the UDub Bathl. They were there was 2143 01:26:14,159 --> 01:26:15,760 almost a crisis. they were frantically 2144 01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:19,840 trying to find money to build more um 2145 01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:23,199 secure bike parking um because people 2146 01:26:23,199 --> 01:26:26,239 were coming and going daily. And I uh I 2147 01:26:26,239 --> 01:26:29,520 could see that in 5 10 20 years those 2148 01:26:29,520 --> 01:26:31,199 apartments might be more like that where 2149 01:26:31,199 --> 01:26:33,520 every like you say 2150 01:26:33,520 --> 01:26:37,199 Sarah that uh each space is precious. So 2151 01:26:37,199 --> 01:26:38,800 um we we might we might get there 2152 01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:40,159 eventually. We're not there now but we 2153 01:26:40,159 --> 01:26:41,840 might get there eventually. So that 2154 01:26:41,840 --> 01:26:47,350 management issue might come up. 2155 01:26:47,360 --> 01:26:50,159 Thank you, Commissioner Rest, for um all 2156 01:26:50,159 --> 01:26:51,520 those comments and for remembering when 2157 01:26:51,520 --> 01:26:53,440 I tried to rent bike parking space from 2158 01:26:53,440 --> 01:26:55,920 you. Um 2159 01:26:55,920 --> 01:26:57,840 I think there's some simple solutions 2160 01:26:57,840 --> 01:27:01,040 here. For example, if um a bike could be 2161 01:27:01,040 --> 01:27:04,880 tagged and if it isn't moved in a week 2162 01:27:04,880 --> 01:27:08,080 or two weeks, then um the bike could be 2163 01:27:08,080 --> 01:27:10,880 impounded or ideally there would be a 2164 01:27:10,880 --> 01:27:12,560 warning first to the person. But I think 2165 01:27:12,560 --> 01:27:15,520 there's some low tech solutions that 2166 01:27:15,520 --> 01:27:17,120 could happen to make sure that these 2167 01:27:17,120 --> 01:27:20,719 spaces that we're pushing so hard for um 2168 01:27:20,719 --> 01:27:24,320 actually do what they're supposed to do. 2169 01:27:24,320 --> 01:27:28,800 Um also another thing I wanted to bring 2170 01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:32,639 up was my building was built in 2016 2171 01:27:32,639 --> 01:27:34,159 um and seem to have no distinction 2172 01:27:34,159 --> 01:27:37,280 between short and long-term parkings. So 2173 01:27:37,280 --> 01:27:39,040 what we see is zero demand in this 2174 01:27:39,040 --> 01:27:41,520 survey might be just zero supply. And do 2175 01:27:41,520 --> 01:27:44,080 we know what surveyed sites predate the 2176 01:27:44,080 --> 01:27:46,000 latest standards? Maybe what I saw 2177 01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:48,225 wasn't universal. Um so yes, those 2178 01:27:48,225 --> 01:27:51,360 [clears throat] two questions. Can we do 2179 01:27:51,360 --> 01:27:55,280 um easy solutions here? And um what is 2180 01:27:55,280 --> 01:27:56,639 the difference between where I was in 2181 01:27:56,639 --> 01:28:03,430 newer buildings? 2182 01:28:03,440 --> 01:28:06,719 » Uh so regarding your I hear that uh 2183 01:28:06,719 --> 01:28:08,960 comment commissioner Gustde definitely. 2184 01:28:08,960 --> 01:28:10,719 Um, if I can clarify in your first 2185 01:28:10,719 --> 01:28:13,280 question, are you referring to 2186 01:28:13,280 --> 01:28:15,600 short-term sort of bike parking in the 2187 01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:18,239 frontage or or the long-term like locked 2188 01:28:18,239 --> 01:28:20,719 secured space or both? 2189 01:28:20,719 --> 01:28:23,040 >> Either or because where I was it was 2190 01:28:23,040 --> 01:28:25,600 just a long lines of cramped bikes, many 2191 01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:27,920 of which were dusty and there was no 2192 01:28:27,920 --> 01:28:29,040 distinction. 2193 01:28:29,040 --> 01:28:32,709 >> Okay. 2194 01:28:32,719 --> 01:28:35,440 » I I will we'll take that comment uh and 2195 01:28:35,440 --> 01:28:38,639 discuss it internally. I would say um at 2196 01:28:38,639 --> 01:28:40,960 least as it pertains to the proposed 2197 01:28:40,960 --> 01:28:44,480 code before you today 2198 01:28:44,480 --> 01:28:47,679 if you wish to increase the amount of 2199 01:28:47,679 --> 01:28:50,000 residential bike parking that's that's 2200 01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:53,520 an option available to you. Um 2201 01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:55,679 would be one way of addressing that that 2202 01:28:55,679 --> 01:28:59,990 comment. Um 2203 01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:02,080 » you know um thank you for that. I do 2204 01:29:02,080 --> 01:29:03,679 think it would be the same as the 2205 01:29:03,679 --> 01:29:05,360 parking issue that we encounter on our 2206 01:29:05,360 --> 01:29:08,159 streets where the more we give, the more 2207 01:29:08,159 --> 01:29:10,400 people use it. And the real issue is not 2208 01:29:10,400 --> 01:29:12,239 about how many parking spaces we 2209 01:29:12,239 --> 01:29:17,830 provide, it's how we manage them. 2210 01:29:17,840 --> 01:29:19,679 » I hear that. Thank you. 2211 01:29:19,679 --> 01:29:21,120 >> Thank you, 2212 01:29:21,120 --> 01:29:22,639 >> Commissioner Westbick. Just to chime in 2213 01:29:22,639 --> 01:29:24,880 there, I I know the building you're 2214 01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:26,159 talking about, um, Commissioner 2215 01:29:26,159 --> 01:29:28,080 Gustoson, and I have to think now I'm 2216 01:29:28,080 --> 01:29:29,120 thinking about those racks. They're 2217 01:29:29,120 --> 01:29:32,000 double height. They're not secure. You 2218 01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:34,320 have to use your lock. I don't think the 2219 01:29:34,320 --> 01:29:36,000 new code would even allow them anymore 2220 01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:40,000 as as long-term secure parking. So, not 2221 01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:41,280 that it's a moot point at all because 2222 01:29:41,280 --> 01:29:42,480 it's going to exist. They're not going 2223 01:29:42,480 --> 01:29:44,480 to probably change it. But I think that 2224 01:29:44,480 --> 01:29:47,280 with the new code, uh the short-term 2225 01:29:47,280 --> 01:29:48,639 that wouldn't necessarily be short-term 2226 01:29:48,639 --> 01:29:50,480 parking and it wouldn't um probably 2227 01:29:50,480 --> 01:29:52,400 comply with the long-term requirements. 2228 01:29:52,400 --> 01:29:54,320 So, that's where I think this code could 2229 01:29:54,320 --> 01:29:57,360 be an upgrade. Probably is an upgrade. 2230 01:29:57,360 --> 01:30:00,320 But then it also begs a question. Say 2231 01:30:00,320 --> 01:30:02,480 there's room for 100 bikes or something. 2232 01:30:02,480 --> 01:30:05,760 Um is it like a storage unit almost in 2233 01:30:05,760 --> 01:30:07,040 some buildings where they'd say, "Yeah, 2234 01:30:07,040 --> 01:30:10,400 you're assigned, you know, spot A13." 2235 01:30:10,400 --> 01:30:13,280 >> Um granted, u and maybe that has to be 2236 01:30:13,280 --> 01:30:15,440 an extra, you know, 50 bucks a month or 2237 01:30:15,440 --> 01:30:17,600 something like that. And and and then 2238 01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:20,320 maybe that starts to become a an equity 2239 01:30:20,320 --> 01:30:21,679 issue. They have to pay more to store 2240 01:30:21,679 --> 01:30:22,800 their bike or something, but they have 2241 01:30:22,800 --> 01:30:24,880 to pay for parking spots, too. So, I 2242 01:30:24,880 --> 01:30:25,760 don't know. I'm just trying to think of 2243 01:30:25,760 --> 01:30:27,440 how you would um how would you make it 2244 01:30:27,440 --> 01:30:30,960 unattractive to leave a bike um in a 2245 01:30:30,960 --> 01:30:34,800 precious spot using this new code. Um 2246 01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:37,120 >> just spitballing a little bit. 2247 01:30:37,120 --> 01:30:41,110 >> Thank you. 2248 01:30:41,120 --> 01:30:42,800 » Um Commissioner Gustiffson, I don't 2249 01:30:42,800 --> 01:30:44,159 think I responded to your second 2250 01:30:44,159 --> 01:30:45,760 question. If if you might repeat that 2251 01:30:45,760 --> 01:30:47,679 for me, please. 2252 01:30:47,679 --> 01:30:50,400 >> Yes, thank you so much. Sarah Gustiffson 2253 01:30:50,400 --> 01:30:53,679 here. My question dubtales with 2254 01:30:53,679 --> 01:30:55,920 what Commissioner Westerbeck was saying 2255 01:30:55,920 --> 01:30:59,040 about the difference between new and old 2256 01:30:59,040 --> 01:31:01,760 ones, new and old buildings. My thought 2257 01:31:01,760 --> 01:31:04,239 is what buildings were you surveying? 2258 01:31:04,239 --> 01:31:07,040 And if you were surveying old buildings 2259 01:31:07,040 --> 01:31:10,400 with older standards, 2260 01:31:10,400 --> 01:31:13,199 um how it is that really fair for the 2261 01:31:13,199 --> 01:31:16,239 data? Um, if you're only surveying the 2262 01:31:16,239 --> 01:31:17,600 newer buildings with the newer 2263 01:31:17,600 --> 01:31:21,840 standards, then um, and they're still 2264 01:31:21,840 --> 01:31:25,600 comp there's no usage when the bike 2265 01:31:25,600 --> 01:31:27,600 racks might be state-of-the-art, they 2266 01:31:27,600 --> 01:31:29,520 might be managed. Well, that's a 2267 01:31:29,520 --> 01:31:32,400 different data point. Um but what I'm 2268 01:31:32,400 --> 01:31:35,440 suspecting is that my data point holds 2269 01:31:35,440 --> 01:31:39,199 which is that um 2270 01:31:39,199 --> 01:31:41,840 some of the problems that we see in the 2271 01:31:41,840 --> 01:31:45,199 old older buildings are going to happen 2272 01:31:45,199 --> 01:31:47,040 again in the newer buildings unless we 2273 01:31:47,040 --> 01:31:48,719 really are careful about our code and 2274 01:31:48,719 --> 01:31:51,600 our management. 2275 01:31:51,600 --> 01:31:52,159 >> Got it. 2276 01:31:52,159 --> 01:31:53,853 >> Sorry. [laughter] 2277 01:31:53,853 --> 01:31:56,159 [snorts] So, 2278 01:31:56,159 --> 01:31:58,159 that's a great question and I appreciate 2279 01:31:58,159 --> 01:32:00,400 you taking the data I presented with a 2280 01:32:00,400 --> 01:32:02,719 grain of salt because it was um a very 2281 01:32:02,719 --> 01:32:05,280 basic survey and definitely not 2282 01:32:05,280 --> 01:32:06,880 scientific. I'm not submitting it to any 2283 01:32:06,880 --> 01:32:08,480 journals or anything. 2284 01:32:08,480 --> 01:32:12,800 >> Um so, I did try my best uh in the time 2285 01:32:12,800 --> 01:32:16,960 I had to take a a variety of situations 2286 01:32:16,960 --> 01:32:21,199 and in land uses. So, um I surveyed new 2287 01:32:21,199 --> 01:32:23,120 development, new residential, mixeduse 2288 01:32:23,120 --> 01:32:27,199 development downtown, um old apartment, 2289 01:32:27,199 --> 01:32:30,239 garden apartments, um in the Canyon Park 2290 01:32:30,239 --> 01:32:32,719 area, 2291 01:32:32,719 --> 01:32:36,960 new uh retail spaces in or uh yeah, new 2292 01:32:36,960 --> 01:32:41,360 retail spaces um in North Creek, old 2293 01:32:41,360 --> 01:32:45,360 strip malls. [snorts] Uh so, it's the 2294 01:32:45,360 --> 01:32:48,480 wide variety. Um, and again, not a 2295 01:32:48,480 --> 01:32:51,040 multitude, but at least a variety of 2296 01:32:51,040 --> 01:32:53,600 samples here. 2297 01:32:53,600 --> 01:32:56,159 So, I hope that gives you a little bit 2298 01:32:56,159 --> 01:32:59,520 more confidence. Um, I also presented 2299 01:32:59,520 --> 01:33:01,040 the 2300 01:33:01,040 --> 01:33:02,800 absolute numbers and not just the 2301 01:33:02,800 --> 01:33:05,440 percentages in attachment two. So, you 2302 01:33:05,440 --> 01:33:08,639 can draw your own conclusions as to did 2303 01:33:08,639 --> 01:33:11,040 they provide enough long-term spaces, 2304 01:33:11,040 --> 01:33:12,560 did they provide enough short-term 2305 01:33:12,560 --> 01:33:16,320 spaces, how many um I included the 2306 01:33:16,320 --> 01:33:18,960 number of employees if that was a a 2307 01:33:18,960 --> 01:33:20,560 commercial use or the number of 2308 01:33:20,560 --> 01:33:23,120 residents, too. So, 2309 01:33:23,120 --> 01:33:25,280 I tried to present as objective data as 2310 01:33:25,280 --> 01:33:29,600 I can. Um, again, not not an amazing uh 2311 01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:32,000 graduate research project, but the best 2312 01:33:32,000 --> 01:33:35,360 I can do here. So, 2313 01:33:35,360 --> 01:33:37,120 Oh, thank you. I mean, it it's it's 2314 01:33:37,120 --> 01:33:39,040 great. I really appreciate you getting 2315 01:33:39,040 --> 01:33:42,400 out there on seeing what things are. Um, 2316 01:33:42,400 --> 01:33:48,629 and this is a good start. 2317 01:33:48,639 --> 01:33:50,480 » Uh, Commissioner Robson here. I think 2318 01:33:50,480 --> 01:33:52,080 one thing it's important to note 2319 01:33:52,080 --> 01:33:53,840 regarding parking enforcement is that 2320 01:33:53,840 --> 01:33:55,120 when we're talking about parking 2321 01:33:55,120 --> 01:33:58,480 enforcement in the city, um, for cars, 2322 01:33:58,480 --> 01:34:00,960 we're talking about on city streets, in 2323 01:34:00,960 --> 01:34:03,040 public areas. we actually aren't talking 2324 01:34:03,040 --> 01:34:05,280 about in people's driveways and people's 2325 01:34:05,280 --> 01:34:07,199 apartment complexes 2326 01:34:07,199 --> 01:34:10,719 um or any of the other private um 2327 01:34:10,719 --> 01:34:13,440 parking garages. Um I know the apartment 2328 01:34:13,440 --> 01:34:15,360 building I lived in, there was that one 2329 01:34:15,360 --> 01:34:17,120 jerk who just had his car in the worst 2330 01:34:17,120 --> 01:34:18,480 place ever and he always parked it there 2331 01:34:18,480 --> 01:34:20,480 and collected dust. It looked like a 2332 01:34:20,480 --> 01:34:23,520 greenhouse. Um and but that's a private 2333 01:34:23,520 --> 01:34:26,080 issue. Um, and I think when we're coming 2334 01:34:26,080 --> 01:34:28,080 talking about building development, 2335 01:34:28,080 --> 01:34:30,560 these are these are private primarily 2336 01:34:30,560 --> 01:34:33,600 private um businesses, private homes or 2337 01:34:33,600 --> 01:34:36,800 multif family homes. Um, and so parking 2338 01:34:36,800 --> 01:34:38,719 enforcement in those cases is up to the 2339 01:34:38,719 --> 01:34:44,480 owner is not um up to the city in any 2340 01:34:44,480 --> 01:34:47,280 way, shape, or form. We can um mandate 2341 01:34:47,280 --> 01:34:50,880 that they uh um I appreciate that we can 2342 01:34:50,880 --> 01:34:53,360 mandate long-term spaces and short-term 2343 01:34:53,360 --> 01:34:56,159 spaces. I think that's great and so 2344 01:34:56,159 --> 01:35:00,080 important and although I I I am uh 2345 01:35:00,080 --> 01:35:01,360 agreeing with staff, I think we might 2346 01:35:01,360 --> 01:35:04,719 have hit it a little heavy to um to 2347 01:35:04,719 --> 01:35:06,080 begin with. So, I appreciate this 2348 01:35:06,080 --> 01:35:07,679 rolling back on the numbers a little 2349 01:35:07,679 --> 01:35:10,159 bit. Um, 2350 01:35:10,159 --> 01:35:12,320 but when it comes to parking enforcement 2351 01:35:12,320 --> 01:35:14,719 on private property, I think that that's 2352 01:35:14,719 --> 01:35:16,560 maybe something 2353 01:35:16,560 --> 01:35:20,159 um that is more nuanced and certainly 2354 01:35:20,159 --> 01:35:22,239 not part of this code that we're working 2355 01:35:22,239 --> 01:35:26,159 on right now. 2356 01:35:26,159 --> 01:35:28,480 Unless I'm wrong, in which case, please 2357 01:35:28,480 --> 01:35:29,840 tell me. 2358 01:35:29,840 --> 01:35:33,040 >> I think you've you've hit it. I mean, 2359 01:35:33,040 --> 01:35:37,120 the issue of um what happens on private 2360 01:35:37,120 --> 01:35:39,360 property, especially after development, 2361 01:35:39,360 --> 01:35:42,639 after we approve occupancy, is a thorny 2362 01:35:42,639 --> 01:35:47,280 issue. Um and I'm sure the attorney will 2363 01:35:47,280 --> 01:35:49,001 want me to stop talking right there. 2364 01:35:49,001 --> 01:35:50,400 [laughter] 2365 01:35:50,400 --> 01:35:53,840 Um in regards to on street parking, that 2366 01:35:53,840 --> 01:35:56,880 is in city purview certainly and and the 2367 01:35:56,880 --> 01:36:00,560 management of that um is as well. Um 2368 01:36:00,560 --> 01:36:02,159 that's public works department though as 2369 01:36:02,159 --> 01:36:03,840 well. So I know uh the public works 2370 01:36:03,840 --> 01:36:05,040 director wants me to stop talking on 2371 01:36:05,040 --> 01:36:06,400 that matter right now as well. Yeah. 2372 01:36:06,400 --> 01:36:16,709 >> So that's all I'll say there. 2373 01:36:16,719 --> 01:36:19,440 Yes. Commissioner Gerson. Hi Sarah 2374 01:36:19,440 --> 01:36:21,440 Gustoson here. So [clears throat] my 2375 01:36:21,440 --> 01:36:24,320 thought is if we can mandate exactly how 2376 01:36:24,320 --> 01:36:26,960 many spaces and what type for a private 2377 01:36:26,960 --> 01:36:29,199 building, can we mandate that the 2378 01:36:29,199 --> 01:36:31,440 building submit a parking management 2379 01:36:31,440 --> 01:36:35,199 plan during um uh permitting and 2380 01:36:35,199 --> 01:36:37,760 construction? How abandoned bikes get 2381 01:36:37,760 --> 01:36:39,679 identified and cleared? That's not new 2382 01:36:39,679 --> 01:36:41,360 authority to me. It seems like the same 2383 01:36:41,360 --> 01:36:44,239 authority that is already in this draft. 2384 01:36:44,239 --> 01:36:48,159 What are your thoughts on that? 2385 01:36:48,159 --> 01:36:49,440 >> I think we can definitely look into 2386 01:36:49,440 --> 01:36:51,360 that. Um you're you're right that there 2387 01:36:51,360 --> 01:36:53,840 is precedent for 2388 01:36:53,840 --> 01:36:56,800 um some sort of agreement and things 2389 01:36:56,800 --> 01:36:59,440 like that post development. Um again not 2390 01:36:59,440 --> 01:37:01,440 my area of expertise but but we'll look 2391 01:37:01,440 --> 01:37:04,800 into that and uh let you know. 2392 01:37:04,800 --> 01:37:10,310 >> Great. Thank you so much. 2393 01:37:10,320 --> 01:37:13,199 » Okay. Uh great feedback and questions 2394 01:37:13,199 --> 01:37:15,920 and comments. I we really appreciate it. 2395 01:37:15,920 --> 01:37:20,880 um presented some quantities and um 2396 01:37:20,880 --> 01:37:22,480 if those made sense to you, great. You 2397 01:37:22,480 --> 01:37:25,119 can tune this part out. I wanted to we 2398 01:37:25,119 --> 01:37:26,960 wanted to include this just for the 2399 01:37:26,960 --> 01:37:29,040 people that kind of need to see the the 2400 01:37:29,040 --> 01:37:34,239 reality of of the rules. So, 2401 01:37:34,239 --> 01:37:37,679 I tried to collect some various types of 2402 01:37:37,679 --> 01:37:39,679 projects, land uses, and show you how 2403 01:37:39,679 --> 01:37:42,000 the the ratios or the percentages might 2404 01:37:42,000 --> 01:37:44,880 calculate out for those. 2405 01:37:44,880 --> 01:37:46,719 So, the first example here is a 2406 01:37:46,719 --> 01:37:49,360 multi-unit, multif family residential 2407 01:37:49,360 --> 01:37:52,480 development. This is one that's uh 2408 01:37:52,480 --> 01:37:56,000 proposed but not built. And under the 2409 01:37:56,000 --> 01:37:57,920 old requirement, and in fact, the 2410 01:37:57,920 --> 01:38:01,760 project proposed 235 long-term spaces 2411 01:38:01,760 --> 01:38:07,040 for 321 units and 65 short-term spaces. 2412 01:38:07,040 --> 01:38:09,920 Uh there's 2413 01:38:09,920 --> 01:38:12,080 and so that that's again what's in the 2414 01:38:12,080 --> 01:38:13,679 project proposal and and the old 2415 01:38:13,679 --> 01:38:15,520 represents the old requirement or the 2416 01:38:15,520 --> 01:38:18,400 existing requirement, excuse me. The new 2417 01:38:18,400 --> 01:38:20,400 proposed requirement would result in a 2418 01:38:20,400 --> 01:38:23,280 bit less here. So 155 long-term spaces 2419 01:38:23,280 --> 01:38:28,880 and 16 short-term. So food for thought. 2420 01:38:28,880 --> 01:38:31,443 Um 2421 01:38:31,443 --> 01:38:32,800 [clears throat] a small mixeduse 2422 01:38:32,800 --> 01:38:35,040 development. This one would be in 2423 01:38:35,040 --> 01:38:38,159 downtown both. that's proposed 2424 01:38:38,159 --> 01:38:41,520 and again the I really I'm sorry I said 2425 01:38:41,520 --> 01:38:43,888 old requirement existing requirement 2426 01:38:43,888 --> 01:38:48,560 [snorts] uh but um it would require 24 2427 01:38:48,560 --> 01:38:50,159 long-term spaces and six short-term 2428 01:38:50,159 --> 01:38:53,280 spaces for for 1900 foot retail and 22 2429 01:38:53,280 --> 01:38:55,760 dwelling units. New requirement quite 2430 01:38:55,760 --> 01:38:58,480 similar actually just a few some fewer 2431 01:38:58,480 --> 01:39:02,950 short-term spaces. 2432 01:39:02,960 --> 01:39:05,920 low-income housing. This is once again 2433 01:39:05,920 --> 01:39:07,520 another proposed development in 2434 01:39:07,520 --> 01:39:10,800 downtown. 201 2435 01:39:10,800 --> 01:39:12,880 uh office space 2436 01:39:12,880 --> 01:39:18,159 sort of retail type social service space 2437 01:39:18,159 --> 01:39:20,159 existing requirement 180 long-term 2438 01:39:20,159 --> 01:39:23,360 spaces and 40 short-term. The proposed 2439 01:39:23,360 --> 01:39:26,560 requirement really unfortunate wording 2440 01:39:26,560 --> 01:39:32,080 129 spaces and 14 short-term spaces. 2441 01:39:32,080 --> 01:39:35,760 Dormatory example. This is Udub both. 2442 01:39:35,760 --> 01:39:38,159 They're already constructed. Obviously, 2443 01:39:38,159 --> 01:39:40,320 our rules won't apply. This is just an 2444 01:39:40,320 --> 01:39:42,639 example. So, existing requirement 2445 01:39:42,639 --> 01:39:45,360 doesn't apply to dorms whatsoever. 2446 01:39:45,360 --> 01:39:47,840 Proposed requirement in this case with 2447 01:39:47,840 --> 01:39:50,960 1400 beds or some somewhat to the 2448 01:39:50,960 --> 01:39:54,239 equivalent of 376 dwelling units would 2449 01:39:54,239 --> 01:39:57,679 include 103 bike parking spaces in 2450 01:39:57,679 --> 01:40:01,760 long-term and 128 short-term. 2451 01:40:01,760 --> 01:40:04,080 That seems like a place some students 2452 01:40:04,080 --> 01:40:05,280 are going to have bikes. 2453 01:40:05,280 --> 01:40:06,159 >> You think so? 2454 01:40:06,159 --> 01:40:11,750 >> Yeah. Right. 2455 01:40:11,760 --> 01:40:14,159 » A co-l livingiving type space. This I 2456 01:40:14,159 --> 01:40:15,760 don't think there's any like this in 2457 01:40:15,760 --> 01:40:18,320 Seattle but or I'm sorry in both but 2458 01:40:18,320 --> 01:40:21,199 this one is in Seattle. Sort of 2459 01:40:21,199 --> 01:40:23,280 efficiency units. Uh very small 2460 01:40:23,280 --> 01:40:27,360 residential units. Uh this one has 60 2461 01:40:27,360 --> 01:40:29,280 sleeping units, bedrooms, whatever you 2462 01:40:29,280 --> 01:40:31,760 want to call it. No parking existing 2463 01:40:31,760 --> 01:40:33,440 brothel requirement. If this were to be 2464 01:40:33,440 --> 01:40:36,719 in both would uh apply 30 long-term 2465 01:40:36,719 --> 01:40:39,119 spaces, six short-term proposed 2466 01:40:39,119 --> 01:40:42,000 requirement 15. So cut that in half and 2467 01:40:42,000 --> 01:40:45,600 then two short-term in this case. 2468 01:40:45,600 --> 01:40:47,360 This is in Seattle. Hopefully they have 2469 01:40:47,360 --> 01:40:51,119 some more bike parking. I I think but 2470 01:40:51,119 --> 01:40:53,119 uh various commercial examples here for 2471 01:40:53,119 --> 01:40:56,000 you. So I got the Gratzy 2472 01:40:56,000 --> 01:40:59,280 Italian restaurant both ever highway on 2473 01:40:59,280 --> 01:41:03,280 the left smaller sort of restaurant 2474 01:41:03,280 --> 01:41:05,119 under the existing requirement if this 2475 01:41:05,119 --> 01:41:07,199 were to be built today. Two long-term 2476 01:41:07,199 --> 01:41:09,440 spaces two short-term spaces proposed 2477 01:41:09,440 --> 01:41:13,040 requirement. Same thing Safeway on both 2478 01:41:13,040 --> 01:41:14,960 lever highway as well. Larger 2479 01:41:14,960 --> 01:41:17,520 supermarket example 2480 01:41:17,520 --> 01:41:20,400 we're assuming around 20 employees in 2481 01:41:20,400 --> 01:41:22,159 this supermarket. I don't have that 2482 01:41:22,159 --> 01:41:24,480 exact data but with that assumption 2483 01:41:24,480 --> 01:41:26,719 existing requirement four long-term for 2484 01:41:26,719 --> 01:41:29,679 those employees and then for visitors 2485 01:41:29,679 --> 01:41:32,480 shoppers 10 short-term under the 2486 01:41:32,480 --> 01:41:34,320 proposal it would be fewer long-term 2487 01:41:34,320 --> 01:41:39,270 spaces same amount of short-term spaces 2488 01:41:39,280 --> 01:41:40,639 interrupt for a second commissioner 2489 01:41:40,639 --> 01:41:42,960 Westerbeck here I think about places 2490 01:41:42,960 --> 01:41:44,639 like the nails and spa you know that 2491 01:41:44,639 --> 01:41:46,960 space um especially with the way we 2492 01:41:46,960 --> 01:41:48,800 planned towns you know like Main Street 2493 01:41:48,800 --> 01:41:53,199 100 years ago it was often the building 2494 01:41:53,199 --> 01:41:57,119 covers the entire uh property. And so 2495 01:41:57,119 --> 01:41:58,719 the only place you could do a rack was 2496 01:41:58,719 --> 01:42:01,119 either carve something out of the store 2497 01:42:01,119 --> 01:42:03,520 of the space which the landlord or the 2498 01:42:03,520 --> 01:42:05,679 owner is probably not going to want or 2499 01:42:05,679 --> 01:42:08,159 put it on the sidewalk. So is that where 2500 01:42:08,159 --> 01:42:11,280 the flexibility of the of the the code 2501 01:42:11,280 --> 01:42:13,280 comes in a little bit because you don't 2502 01:42:13,280 --> 01:42:14,719 really want a block sidewalk. you need 2503 01:42:14,719 --> 01:42:18,480 what fiveT clear for and if the co if 2504 01:42:18,480 --> 01:42:20,560 the uh the rack doesn't get used much 2505 01:42:20,560 --> 01:42:21,840 does someone want a rack you know 2506 01:42:21,840 --> 01:42:23,440 sticking a couple feet out in the 2507 01:42:23,440 --> 01:42:25,119 sidewalk. So I think there's going to be 2508 01:42:25,119 --> 01:42:28,639 some interesting um situations uh when 2509 01:42:28,639 --> 01:42:30,639 you do a change of use in a building 2510 01:42:30,639 --> 01:42:32,080 like that. Oh yeah you're probably 2511 01:42:32,080 --> 01:42:33,280 thinking about it but I'm just I'm 2512 01:42:33,280 --> 01:42:34,560 looking at that going oh where do you 2513 01:42:34,560 --> 01:42:36,320 put the rack if that was the whole the 2514 01:42:36,320 --> 01:42:37,920 property was edgeto edge the building 2515 01:42:37,920 --> 01:42:43,270 was edge to edge on the property. 2516 01:42:43,280 --> 01:42:47,679 Appreciate that comment. Certainly uh a 2517 01:42:47,679 --> 01:42:50,560 interesting thought process. Uh 2518 01:42:50,560 --> 01:42:53,040 absolutely. I think this is you know 2519 01:42:53,040 --> 01:42:55,920 perhaps why one that exemption original 2520 01:42:55,920 --> 01:42:57,360 exemption was in there maybe you know 2521 01:42:57,360 --> 01:42:59,840 these very very very small scale uses. 2522 01:42:59,840 --> 01:43:03,199 So once again you know commission if if 2523 01:43:03,199 --> 01:43:06,239 the proposal you think is um not 2524 01:43:06,239 --> 01:43:08,639 appropriate in any way we would 2525 01:43:08,639 --> 01:43:11,520 appreciate any of that feedback. Um but 2526 01:43:11,520 --> 01:43:13,840 I think my feedback would be just uh 2527 01:43:13,840 --> 01:43:16,960 that the um the director can has has a 2528 01:43:16,960 --> 01:43:18,400 discretion probably to wave it I think 2529 01:43:18,400 --> 01:43:20,400 and what is in that in the code. But I 2530 01:43:20,400 --> 01:43:21,360 only read through it once, so I don't 2531 01:43:21,360 --> 01:43:23,679 have it memorized yet. But I would I 2532 01:43:23,679 --> 01:43:25,440 don't know if you'd make um make that a 2533 01:43:25,440 --> 01:43:27,119 slightly more robust part of the code 2534 01:43:27,119 --> 01:43:30,159 saying um you know in a change of use 2535 01:43:30,159 --> 01:43:33,360 situation where there is no place to 2536 01:43:33,360 --> 01:43:36,320 bike to put a bike rack, you know, the 2537 01:43:36,320 --> 01:43:38,960 um difference is given to the uh the 2538 01:43:38,960 --> 01:43:41,360 applicant or something like that. Or, 2539 01:43:41,360 --> 01:43:47,760 you know, um you can show that there's a municipal provided rack, you know, 2540 01:43:47,760 --> 01:43:51,040 nearby or something like that. I don't I don't have a a solution, but I 2541 01:43:51,040 --> 01:43:52,560 would think 2542 01:43:52,560 --> 01:43:55,600 >> most places are going to have a a a 2543 01:43:55,600 --> 01:43:57,199 Safeway, a Gratzi, whatever. They're 2544 01:43:57,199 --> 01:43:58,639 going to have parking spaces they could 2545 01:43:58,639 --> 01:44:00,080 take over. It's not an issue at all. And 2546 01:44:00,080 --> 01:44:01,119 I think this is going to be pretty 2547 01:44:01,119 --> 01:44:03,040 niche, but there's going to be a few 2548 01:44:03,040 --> 01:44:04,159 that are going to come up through the 2549 01:44:04,159 --> 01:44:05,600 years, especially with change of use 2550 01:44:05,600 --> 01:44:06,800 where you're going to be like, we don't 2551 01:44:06,800 --> 01:44:08,000 literally don't have a place to put a 2552 01:44:08,000 --> 01:44:09,679 bike rack. So, I would just hope that 2553 01:44:09,679 --> 01:44:10,960 they would they would give that out 2554 01:44:10,960 --> 01:44:13,520 freely when it was super obvious the the 2555 01:44:13,520 --> 01:44:15,119 exemption. 2556 01:44:15,119 --> 01:44:16,639 >> Thank you. 2557 01:44:16,639 --> 01:44:18,320 I don't want people to have a bike rack 2558 01:44:18,320 --> 01:44:20,000 accessible, but like where are they 2559 01:44:20,000 --> 01:44:21,360 going to put it? And maybe they've got 2560 01:44:21,360 --> 01:44:23,600 parking spots uh for the nails of spa. I 2561 01:44:23,600 --> 01:44:25,520 don't know that that property, but there 2562 01:44:25,520 --> 01:44:27,199 are going to be somewhere they don't at 2563 01:44:27,199 --> 01:44:28,560 all. 2564 01:44:28,560 --> 01:44:30,560 >> If I if I could weigh in, you know, we 2565 01:44:30,560 --> 01:44:34,000 could look at we could look at those zones that have zero foot 2566 01:44:34,000 --> 01:44:35,840 setbacks. That's where the flexibility 2567 01:44:35,840 --> 01:44:38,000 would exist. Safeway, this example, does 2568 01:44:38,000 --> 01:44:39,679 not have zero zero foot setback. There's 2569 01:44:39,679 --> 01:44:41,360 plenty of space on that site for them to 2570 01:44:41,360 --> 01:44:43,760 accommodate a bike rack. So, we could 2571 01:44:43,760 --> 01:44:46,639 look at a correlation of how the the 2572 01:44:46,639 --> 01:44:50,800 form uh adjusts to where where racks 2573 01:44:50,800 --> 01:44:51,520 could be located. 2574 01:44:51,520 --> 01:44:53,040 >> Great. Again, I would love for there to 2575 01:44:53,040 --> 01:44:55,679 be a rack for, you know, I ride bikes. I 2576 01:44:55,679 --> 01:44:57,600 get it. And I' I've been that person 2577 01:44:57,600 --> 01:44:59,840 looking for a stop sign or something to 2578 01:44:59,840 --> 01:45:01,679 block a bike to. So, I I totally 2579 01:45:01,679 --> 01:45:04,000 sympathize. I I've been that person. I'm 2580 01:45:04,000 --> 01:45:05,280 just sometimes there are going to be 2581 01:45:05,280 --> 01:45:07,360 some cases, like you said, Christian, in 2582 01:45:07,360 --> 01:45:09,600 zero lot line or or existing condition 2583 01:45:09,600 --> 01:45:11,520 situations. I've got an ADA adaptive 2584 01:45:11,520 --> 01:45:14,080 reuse project in another city and the 2585 01:45:14,080 --> 01:45:16,639 property is literally the the building 2586 01:45:16,639 --> 01:45:18,560 goes edge to edge, corner to corner and 2587 01:45:18,560 --> 01:45:20,719 covers the whole property. And so, um, 2588 01:45:20,719 --> 01:45:22,080 they're not required to put in bike 2589 01:45:22,080 --> 01:45:24,320 racks, but they would have a hard time. 2590 01:45:24,320 --> 01:45:26,062 They could put them on the roof, maybe. 2591 01:45:26,062 --> 01:45:26,719 [laughter] I don't know where they're 2592 01:45:26,719 --> 01:45:32,550 going to put them. 2593 01:45:32,560 --> 01:45:34,400 » Thank you, Commissioner. Um, yeah, 2594 01:45:34,400 --> 01:45:35,840 please feel free to stop me if you want 2595 01:45:35,840 --> 01:45:37,280 to talk about any of these. I'll 2596 01:45:37,280 --> 01:45:39,119 proceed. 2597 01:45:39,119 --> 01:45:41,360 entertainment uses. We got Pop Kenny 2598 01:45:41,360 --> 01:45:44,880 Stadium over there, 120,000 square foot 2599 01:45:44,880 --> 01:45:48,560 stadium, 3500 seats. In this scenario, 2600 01:45:48,560 --> 01:45:51,840 we're assuming about 35 staff there. 2601 01:45:51,840 --> 01:45:54,400 Don't don't uh look into that number. I 2602 01:45:54,400 --> 01:45:56,000 don't know exactly, you know, how many 2603 01:45:56,000 --> 01:46:00,400 staff. So, just for this uh this game, 2604 01:46:00,400 --> 01:46:02,639 the existing requirement does not apply 2605 01:46:02,639 --> 01:46:05,679 to stadiums in both. 2606 01:46:05,679 --> 01:46:08,159 The proposed requirement would 2607 01:46:08,159 --> 01:46:10,560 recreation, culture, entertainment, 2608 01:46:10,560 --> 01:46:13,280 sports uses, things like that. Two 2609 01:46:13,280 --> 01:46:16,639 long-term spaces for those 35 potential 2610 01:46:16,639 --> 01:46:20,960 employees and 70 short-term for the 2611 01:46:20,960 --> 01:46:22,480 guests. 2612 01:46:22,480 --> 01:46:24,560 Another entertainment use. This theater 2613 01:46:24,560 --> 01:46:27,679 is not in both, but I think it looks 2614 01:46:27,679 --> 01:46:30,000 like your old generic cinniplex, so I 2615 01:46:30,000 --> 01:46:32,000 included it. About a thousand seats in 2616 01:46:32,000 --> 01:46:34,000 these types of theaters. We're assuming 2617 01:46:34,000 --> 01:46:36,320 50 employees. Current standards don't 2618 01:46:36,320 --> 01:46:40,239 apply. Proposed standards would uh 2619 01:46:40,239 --> 01:46:42,239 provide three long-term spaces for those 2620 01:46:42,239 --> 01:46:44,800 employees and 20 short-term for movie 2621 01:46:44,800 --> 01:46:48,709 goers. 2622 01:46:48,719 --> 01:46:51,760 Lodging, no requirement today. proposed 2623 01:46:51,760 --> 01:46:55,360 requirement, three spaces for those 2624 01:46:55,360 --> 01:46:58,080 about 50 employees and four short-term 2625 01:46:58,080 --> 01:47:00,880 spaces. If anyone flew in from SeaTac 2626 01:47:00,880 --> 01:47:03,280 and decided to bike to both, they can 2627 01:47:03,280 --> 01:47:06,480 park their bike here. 2628 01:47:06,480 --> 01:47:08,000 Again, I'm going to chime in. I can 2629 01:47:08,000 --> 01:47:10,159 speak to that. I, as someone who's done 2630 01:47:10,159 --> 01:47:12,800 a lot of bike events, maybe others have 2631 01:47:12,800 --> 01:47:15,199 too. Sounds like you cycle. I've also 2632 01:47:15,199 --> 01:47:17,440 stayed at a lot of different hotels and 2633 01:47:17,440 --> 01:47:19,600 Airbnbs and things like that where um 2634 01:47:19,600 --> 01:47:22,719 but particularly hotels where um I was 2635 01:47:22,719 --> 01:47:24,320 worried about having my bike, you know, 2636 01:47:24,320 --> 01:47:26,000 bolted to the roof, my car or something 2637 01:47:26,000 --> 01:47:27,520 like that. So, I'd bring it in the room 2638 01:47:27,520 --> 01:47:29,920 or I'd look for um and I know like we 2639 01:47:29,920 --> 01:47:32,239 would go to to Whistler, especially in 2640 01:47:32,239 --> 01:47:34,800 the summer and they have ski and bike 2641 01:47:34,800 --> 01:47:36,239 rooms for, you know, the expensive 2642 01:47:36,239 --> 01:47:37,760 mountain bikes and stuff. I love that. 2643 01:47:37,760 --> 01:47:38,800 was great. They had the cage 2644 01:47:38,800 --> 01:47:40,000 already there. So, they were thinking 2645 01:47:40,000 --> 01:47:44,560 about that 20, 30 years ago. So it'd be good when they start building new 2646 01:47:44,560 --> 01:47:47,520 hotels be thinking about surprising 2647 01:47:47,520 --> 01:47:48,960 number of people bring a bike and they 2648 01:47:48,960 --> 01:47:52,480 arrive with a car. 2649 01:47:52,480 --> 01:47:57,270 I imagine you were thinking about maybe 2650 01:47:57,280 --> 01:47:59,520 office space. We got good old city hall 2651 01:47:59,520 --> 01:48:02,400 on the left. I do know exact numbers for 2652 01:48:02,400 --> 01:48:05,040 that or almost exact. 270 parking 2653 01:48:05,040 --> 01:48:08,719 spaces, 53,000 square feet and about 148 2654 01:48:08,719 --> 01:48:10,320 employees. 2655 01:48:10,320 --> 01:48:13,679 Um, I have a couple numbers here. So, I 2656 01:48:13,679 --> 01:48:15,920 in the hypothetical scenario applied the 2657 01:48:15,920 --> 01:48:18,400 existing bike parking requirement which 2658 01:48:18,400 --> 01:48:20,239 would result in five long-term spaces, 2659 01:48:20,239 --> 01:48:22,639 three short-term. We do also have bike 2660 01:48:22,639 --> 01:48:24,080 parking here at city hall, which I 2661 01:48:24,080 --> 01:48:25,840 mentioned, went through and counted 2662 01:48:25,840 --> 01:48:28,320 those 24 long-term racks down in the 2663 01:48:28,320 --> 01:48:32,080 garage and 18 short-term uh scattered 2664 01:48:32,080 --> 01:48:34,800 around the perimeter. The proposed 2665 01:48:34,800 --> 01:48:39,040 requirement in an office like city hall 2666 01:48:39,040 --> 01:48:42,159 would result in seven long-term spaces 2667 01:48:42,159 --> 01:48:45,520 for those 148 employees and three 2668 01:48:45,520 --> 01:48:47,920 short-term spaces for uh office 2669 01:48:47,920 --> 01:48:49,440 visitors. 2670 01:48:49,440 --> 01:48:52,880 Um, another good data point on city hall 2671 01:48:52,880 --> 01:48:54,159 because, you know, we know this 2672 01:48:54,159 --> 01:48:57,600 information. Uh, I counted in a very 2673 01:48:57,600 --> 01:48:59,119 pleasant summer day down in the 2674 01:48:59,119 --> 01:49:03,520 long-term spaces spaces, we had um 20, 2675 01:49:03,520 --> 01:49:06,960 I'm sorry, uh, eight bikes in that 2676 01:49:06,960 --> 01:49:09,679 long-term um, parking in the eight out 2677 01:49:09,679 --> 01:49:13,119 of 24. And then short-term, I don't know 2678 01:49:13,119 --> 01:49:14,639 if I've really ever seen a bike parked 2679 01:49:14,639 --> 01:49:16,320 in the racks around city hall. Maybe 2680 01:49:16,320 --> 01:49:18,719 there's one, but 2681 01:49:18,719 --> 01:49:21,119 uh, taking on the right side, we have 2682 01:49:21,119 --> 01:49:23,520 just kind of your standard office park 2683 01:49:23,520 --> 01:49:25,520 type office. 2684 01:49:25,520 --> 01:49:28,000 I think this is actually one in both 2685 01:49:28,000 --> 01:49:32,000 Seattle Genetics. So, biotech. Uh they 2686 01:49:32,000 --> 01:49:35,199 have about 500,000 square ft of of 2687 01:49:35,199 --> 01:49:38,239 office space across several buildings. 2688 01:49:38,239 --> 01:49:41,600 And we're we're estimating about 1500 2689 01:49:41,600 --> 01:49:43,119 employees. 2690 01:49:43,119 --> 01:49:45,440 Existing requirement 50 spaces for those 2691 01:49:45,440 --> 01:49:46,960 employees, 2692 01:49:46,960 --> 01:49:48,880 25 [clears throat] short-term spaces for 2693 01:49:48,880 --> 01:49:51,679 whoever wants to visit a biotech office. 2694 01:49:51,679 --> 01:49:53,280 And the proposed requirement would 2695 01:49:53,280 --> 01:49:55,040 actually, as I mentioned earlier, be a 2696 01:49:55,040 --> 01:49:58,080 little more than today, 75. And then 2697 01:49:58,080 --> 01:50:03,109 same number of short-term spaces. 2698 01:50:03,119 --> 01:50:04,800 Health and social services. We got the 2699 01:50:04,800 --> 01:50:07,920 Kaiser Permanente Clinic over in North 2700 01:50:07,920 --> 01:50:10,560 Creek. I believe existing requirement 2701 01:50:10,560 --> 01:50:13,440 does not apply to any health services. 2702 01:50:13,440 --> 01:50:16,960 proposal would establish two long-term 2703 01:50:16,960 --> 01:50:20,080 for those 30 staff and two short-term 2704 01:50:20,080 --> 01:50:22,960 for someone that injured themselves and 2705 01:50:22,960 --> 01:50:29,321 wants to bike to the hospital. 2706 01:50:29,331 --> 01:50:30,000 [laughter] 2707 01:50:30,000 --> 01:50:32,239 >> I have I have also back to the hospital 2708 01:50:32,239 --> 01:50:38,310 by the way. So, 2709 01:50:38,320 --> 01:50:43,270 Absolutely. 2710 01:50:43,280 --> 01:50:44,639 » Yep. 2711 01:50:44,639 --> 01:50:47,760 >> It's useful 2712 01:50:47,760 --> 01:50:50,239 >> education. Uh again, this is something I 2713 01:50:50,239 --> 01:50:52,320 think we heard from at least one 2714 01:50:52,320 --> 01:50:55,440 commissioner on um applying some bike 2715 01:50:55,440 --> 01:50:59,440 parking to uh schools. 2716 01:50:59,440 --> 01:51:02,400 And again, no no requirement today. Uh 2717 01:51:02,400 --> 01:51:05,920 this is both high I took as an example. 2718 01:51:05,920 --> 01:51:08,480 about 1,800 students and about 100 2719 01:51:08,480 --> 01:51:11,520 staff, 72 classrooms. Proposal would 2720 01:51:11,520 --> 01:51:13,679 have five long-term spaces for those 2721 01:51:13,679 --> 01:51:17,920 teachers and staff and 72 for um 2722 01:51:17,920 --> 01:51:22,790 short-term for the students to use. 2723 01:51:22,800 --> 01:51:25,199 Uh okay, last uh project example, 2724 01:51:25,199 --> 01:51:28,000 industrial use. uh this is not in both 2725 01:51:28,000 --> 01:51:30,560 some distribution center who knows where 2726 01:51:30,560 --> 01:51:34,239 very large uh about 1500 employees in in 2727 01:51:34,239 --> 01:51:37,520 this type of facility so proposal I mean 2728 01:51:37,520 --> 01:51:40,080 sorry existing code does not require 2729 01:51:40,080 --> 01:51:43,199 today proposed code would have 75 spaces 2730 01:51:43,199 --> 01:51:45,440 for those 1500 employees and two 2731 01:51:45,440 --> 01:51:48,080 short-term for visitors to the 2732 01:51:48,080 --> 01:51:51,280 distribution center or storage or other 2733 01:51:51,280 --> 01:51:54,870 industrial use. 2734 01:51:54,880 --> 01:51:57,679 Okay, I have some just questions to 2735 01:51:57,679 --> 01:51:59,280 prompt feedback. Some of this we've 2736 01:51:59,280 --> 01:52:01,119 talked about. You don't even have to 2737 01:52:01,119 --> 01:52:03,119 answer these. This is just what we 2738 01:52:03,119 --> 01:52:04,480 thought maybe would prompt some 2739 01:52:04,480 --> 01:52:09,280 discussion. So um I think generally we 2740 01:52:09,280 --> 01:52:11,760 establish lower quantities and um 2741 01:52:11,760 --> 01:52:13,440 commissioners were talking about well do 2742 01:52:13,440 --> 01:52:15,119 we plan for today or plan for the 2743 01:52:15,119 --> 01:52:17,040 future? So do you think we should go 2744 01:52:17,040 --> 01:52:21,199 higher? Um, are there other ways that I 2745 01:52:21,199 --> 01:52:23,280 think Commissioner Gustiffson Gustoson 2746 01:52:23,280 --> 01:52:27,040 talked about this is is the quality um 2747 01:52:27,040 --> 01:52:29,040 of the facilities and the usage of the 2748 01:52:29,040 --> 01:52:30,960 facilities. Other ways we can we can 2749 01:52:30,960 --> 01:52:32,639 address kind of the quality of bike 2750 01:52:32,639 --> 01:52:36,159 parking. Um also of course we had some 2751 01:52:36,159 --> 01:52:39,119 discussion around the exemptions uh that 2752 01:52:39,119 --> 01:52:42,560 are proposed and changing that and um 2753 01:52:42,560 --> 01:52:44,960 perhaps uh adding more strict 2754 01:52:44,960 --> 01:52:46,960 regulations around cargo bikes and and 2755 01:52:46,960 --> 01:52:50,080 scooters and things as well 2756 01:52:50,080 --> 01:52:52,080 or any other questions discussion the 2757 01:52:52,080 --> 01:52:54,639 commission wish wishes to have. 2758 01:52:54,639 --> 01:52:56,880 Commissioner Gustin, 2759 01:52:56,880 --> 01:52:59,440 >> Sarah Gustoson here. I am floating an 2760 01:52:59,440 --> 01:53:03,520 idea because I am concerned about um 2761 01:53:03,520 --> 01:53:06,480 setting standards and then 2762 01:53:06,480 --> 01:53:08,480 not out of bad intentions, the standards 2763 01:53:08,480 --> 01:53:10,480 decreasing over time. I wonder if it's 2764 01:53:10,480 --> 01:53:13,840 possible to post bike parking procedures 2765 01:53:13,840 --> 01:53:18,480 near the bike so that if folks don't see 2766 01:53:18,480 --> 01:53:20,320 those standards being met, they can flag 2767 01:53:20,320 --> 01:53:22,719 it to the city. Um, I think it might be 2768 01:53:22,719 --> 01:53:25,280 easier to monitor whether 2769 01:53:25,280 --> 01:53:26,080 um [clears throat] 2770 01:53:26,080 --> 01:53:27,679 something is posted there might be 2771 01:53:27,679 --> 01:53:29,760 easier than monitoring ongoing what the 2772 01:53:29,760 --> 01:53:34,639 actual um day-to-day is. That might be a 2773 01:53:34,639 --> 01:53:38,480 idea to think about or not. 2774 01:53:38,480 --> 01:53:40,159 >> I I will I just want to chime in there. 2775 01:53:40,159 --> 01:53:42,320 We can we can notify the public works 2776 01:53:42,320 --> 01:53:44,639 department of the the comments around 2777 01:53:44,639 --> 01:53:46,560 bike parking management in the rightway 2778 01:53:46,560 --> 01:53:48,080 as it relates to the rightway when it 2779 01:53:48,080 --> 01:53:49,760 does come to private property. It it 2780 01:53:49,760 --> 01:53:52,960 really is as chair uh Robson mentioned 2781 01:53:52,960 --> 01:53:56,560 it is a a private property issue um that 2782 01:53:56,560 --> 01:53:59,679 we can identify the the best practice um 2783 01:53:59,679 --> 01:54:01,760 we could look at methods to provide 2784 01:54:01,760 --> 01:54:04,320 education and materials but it's only as 2785 01:54:04,320 --> 01:54:06,080 good as the management of that of that 2786 01:54:06,080 --> 01:54:08,719 building and the the residents in that 2787 01:54:08,719 --> 01:54:18,239 building to to follow that. Um so we can look into it and we can follow up on on these points um at the 2788 01:54:18,239 --> 01:54:23,030 next at the next study session. 2789 01:54:23,040 --> 01:54:29,510 » Thanks. 2790 01:54:29,520 --> 01:54:32,639 » Um just as a data point and I'm sure you 2791 01:54:32,639 --> 01:54:34,080 guys have considered this but I wanted 2792 01:54:34,080 --> 01:54:37,840 to float it anyway. Um, the quality of a 2793 01:54:37,840 --> 01:54:40,400 bike parking spot, I'm sure, has a lot 2794 01:54:40,400 --> 01:54:43,840 to do with how often I know h has to do 2795 01:54:43,840 --> 01:54:45,440 how often people ride their bikes, 2796 01:54:45,440 --> 01:54:47,520 especially as bikes become almost as 2797 01:54:47,520 --> 01:54:51,520 expensive as cars. Um, people do not 2798 01:54:51,520 --> 01:54:54,159 want to park their bikes with a flimsy 2799 01:54:54,159 --> 01:54:56,480 bike lock where they can't where they 2800 01:54:56,480 --> 01:55:00,000 can't see it. Um, where you can just 2801 01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:02,560 take the parking thing with you and put 2802 01:55:02,560 --> 01:55:04,719 it in your car and worry about fixing 2803 01:55:04,719 --> 01:55:07,199 that. I mean, because I have seen a a 2804 01:55:07,199 --> 01:55:10,000 bike parking spot where it wasn't even 2805 01:55:10,000 --> 01:55:11,599 bolted to the ground. You could just 2806 01:55:11,599 --> 01:55:13,760 pick it up and take it with the bike. 2807 01:55:13,760 --> 01:55:17,199 Um, I I know that people have said, "I I 2808 01:55:17,199 --> 01:55:19,920 love riding my bike. I don't ride it 2809 01:55:19,920 --> 01:55:23,040 because I don't want my bike stolen or 2810 01:55:23,040 --> 01:55:26,320 messed with." And so 2811 01:55:26,320 --> 01:55:29,040 I do think that 2812 01:55:29,040 --> 01:55:32,080 um if we want people to use our bike 2813 01:55:32,080 --> 01:55:35,520 parking, we want people to increase um 2814 01:55:35,520 --> 01:55:38,960 their biking, we want to make um it a 2815 01:55:38,960 --> 01:55:41,760 reality, uh bike parking a reality, we 2816 01:55:41,760 --> 01:55:45,199 need to consider um the quality. What 2817 01:55:45,199 --> 01:55:47,599 are we going to do to ensure that when 2818 01:55:47,599 --> 01:55:54,239 people are putting in bike parking, it's usable. It's not 2819 01:55:54,239 --> 01:55:57,119 theoretical bike parking, but but actual 2820 01:55:57,119 --> 01:55:58,560 bike parking that people feel 2821 01:55:58,560 --> 01:56:00,400 comfortable using. And I I don't know 2822 01:56:00,400 --> 01:56:02,480 what the answer to that is, but I think 2823 01:56:02,480 --> 01:56:05,119 it's something maybe we should um 2824 01:56:05,119 --> 01:56:07,970 reflect on as we consider these um codes 2825 01:56:07,970 --> 01:56:17,910 [clears throat] 2826 01:56:17,920 --> 01:56:20,159 to that point and correct me if I'm 2827 01:56:20,159 --> 01:56:23,199 wrong. Um I did read through about the 2828 01:56:23,199 --> 01:56:26,159 um the requirement seemed pretty 2829 01:56:26,159 --> 01:56:30,400 thorough about bike rooms, cage cages, 2830 01:56:30,400 --> 01:56:32,719 mid minimum heights, art to ceiling, 2831 01:56:32,719 --> 01:56:36,080 etc., etc., etc. And again, speaking to 2832 01:56:36,080 --> 01:56:38,320 my Udub experience, those were the only 2833 01:56:38,320 --> 01:56:40,960 ones that were in demand. Um I rode my 2834 01:56:40,960 --> 01:56:43,040 bike the first time and I used one of 2835 01:56:43,040 --> 01:56:44,320 those really heavy I've got this really 2836 01:56:44,320 --> 01:56:46,960 heavy, you know, tempered steel lock, 2837 01:56:46,960 --> 01:56:48,320 etc., etc., And I went through the 2838 01:56:48,320 --> 01:56:50,639 wheels and everything and still my um 2839 01:56:50,639 --> 01:56:52,480 some of my um colleagues who also rode 2840 01:56:52,480 --> 01:56:55,520 bikes they're like you parked it outside 2841 01:56:55,520 --> 01:56:57,520 like and there were literally parts out 2842 01:56:57,520 --> 01:56:59,360 there cuz we've all seen this right 2843 01:56:59,360 --> 01:57:01,360 wheels that weren't locked and so they 2844 01:57:01,360 --> 01:57:03,760 took everything but the wheel and I'm 2845 01:57:03,760 --> 01:57:05,679 literally locking up next to these you 2846 01:57:05,679 --> 01:57:07,280 know extra bike parts that were left 2847 01:57:07,280 --> 01:57:08,960 over from stolen bikes. So I can see why 2848 01:57:08,960 --> 01:57:10,800 they were freaked out because there was 2849 01:57:10,800 --> 01:57:12,719 a lottery debate to get those those 2850 01:57:12,719 --> 01:57:16,480 caged in the bike room spots. Um, so 2851 01:57:16,480 --> 01:57:18,480 again, F flogging that horse. I think 2852 01:57:18,480 --> 01:57:19,840 it's in the code though, right? Now that 2853 01:57:19,840 --> 01:57:21,199 you've got that for the for the 2854 01:57:21,199 --> 01:57:23,360 long-term spots has to be pretty robust. 2855 01:57:23,360 --> 01:57:25,280 >> Long term. Yes. It sounds like 2856 01:57:25,280 --> 01:57:27,199 Commissioner Robson's speaking more 2857 01:57:27,199 --> 01:57:28,639 towards the short term, right? 2858 01:57:28,639 --> 01:57:29,760 >> So, you're talking short term. Yeah. 2859 01:57:29,760 --> 01:57:31,440 Okay. Okay. I was going to say longterm. 2860 01:57:31,440 --> 01:57:32,719 Sounds like we got that locked up pretty 2861 01:57:32,719 --> 01:57:34,000 good, but yeah, shortterm. 2862 01:57:34,000 --> 01:57:35,520 >> Locked up. Nice. 2863 01:57:35,520 --> 01:57:37,360 >> Yeah. [laughter] Yeah. Short term. I 2864 01:57:37,360 --> 01:57:38,880 mean, I I think that's a tough one 2865 01:57:38,880 --> 01:57:40,639 because 2866 01:57:40,639 --> 01:57:42,960 um you know, it's going to be hard to 2867 01:57:42,960 --> 01:57:44,719 offer a bike locker, a bike room, 2868 01:57:44,719 --> 01:57:46,400 whatever for I'm going to run in the 2869 01:57:46,400 --> 01:57:49,280 store for an hour. So, because you're 2870 01:57:49,280 --> 01:57:51,040 not as invested in like, all right, I 2871 01:57:51,040 --> 01:57:52,639 work here or I live here, so I'm going 2872 01:57:52,639 --> 01:57:54,480 to get a key. I got a special spot and 2873 01:57:54,480 --> 01:57:56,639 I'm like invested, you know? So, not 2874 01:57:56,639 --> 01:57:57,760 saying you shouldn't do it. I'm just 2875 01:57:57,760 --> 01:57:59,440 saying like that sounds like a little 2876 01:57:59,440 --> 01:58:08,550 tougher nut to crack. 2877 01:58:08,560 --> 01:58:10,239 Well, that's the end of my presentation. 2878 01:58:10,239 --> 01:58:11,920 Unless there's other comments, 2879 01:58:11,920 --> 01:58:16,080 questions, thoughts, I will 2880 01:58:16,080 --> 01:58:17,119 >> Excellent work. 2881 01:58:17,119 --> 01:58:18,880 >> Yeah, thank you so much. I did want to 2882 01:58:18,880 --> 01:58:20,880 mention thank you for including the um 2883 01:58:20,880 --> 01:58:22,880 examples and illustrations because I 2884 01:58:22,880 --> 01:58:25,520 know that commissioners have been asking 2885 01:58:25,520 --> 01:58:27,920 and so I just we really appreciate you 2886 01:58:27,920 --> 01:58:29,760 listening and accommodating that request 2887 01:58:29,760 --> 01:58:32,239 because it's super it's super helpful. 2888 01:58:32,239 --> 01:58:35,199 So, thank you for that. 2889 01:58:35,199 --> 01:58:39,030 >> Clint, thank you. 2890 01:58:39,040 --> 01:58:41,440 » And once again, thank you for being so 2891 01:58:41,440 --> 01:58:44,480 responsive to I'm sure applicants 2892 01:58:44,480 --> 01:58:46,800 wereounding you a bit as well. But, um, 2893 01:58:46,800 --> 01:58:50,639 it looks like a really, um, robustly re 2894 01:58:50,639 --> 01:58:53,520 um, you know, updated bike plan. I or 2895 01:58:53,520 --> 01:58:56,960 bike storage and, uh, parking plan. I 2896 01:58:56,960 --> 01:58:59,599 appreciate it very much. 2897 01:58:59,599 --> 01:59:01,920 Our 2898 01:59:01,920 --> 01:59:05,199 uh third presentation is from um Civic 2899 01:59:05,199 --> 01:59:06,960 Spark fellow Jay Huckkins and the 2900 01:59:06,960 --> 01:59:09,199 electric vehicle parking requirements. 2901 01:59:09,199 --> 01:59:09,360 And 2902 01:59:09,360 --> 01:59:10,960 >> while I pull up these slides for Jay, 2903 01:59:10,960 --> 01:59:12,639 I'm going to just give an introduction. 2904 01:59:12,639 --> 01:59:14,159 So Jay is our current civic spark 2905 01:59:14,159 --> 01:59:15,920 fellow. Uh you may remember Emily from 2906 01:59:15,920 --> 01:59:16,800 before. 2907 01:59:16,800 --> 01:59:19,119 >> Uh she's been doing a lot of work on 2908 01:59:19,119 --> 01:59:23,119 electric vehicles. Um and 2909 01:59:23,119 --> 01:59:25,840 we will run through this. We do have two 2910 01:59:25,840 --> 01:59:32,480 other items. So, I just want to make sure we're we know we're going to not blast through it, but 2911 01:59:32,480 --> 01:59:35,119 we are going to we were very ambitious 2912 01:59:35,119 --> 01:59:37,119 with tonight's 2913 01:59:37,119 --> 01:59:39,040 >> tonight's meeting. We wanted to get it 2914 01:59:39,040 --> 01:59:40,800 done before the end of the end of the 2915 01:59:40,800 --> 01:59:43,760 summer, before our our recess. 2916 01:59:43,760 --> 01:59:46,239 Um, with that, uh, I'll hand it over to 2917 01:59:46,239 --> 01:59:48,480 Jay and we will work through this and I 2918 01:59:48,480 --> 01:59:52,320 will drive the slides for you. 2919 01:59:52,320 --> 01:59:54,239 >> All right. Thank you so much and thank 2920 01:59:54,239 --> 01:59:56,719 you for the introduction. Good evening, 2921 01:59:56,719 --> 01:59:59,280 planning commissioners. So, I'm going to 2922 01:59:59,280 --> 02:00:01,199 talk to you about the electric vehicle 2923 02:00:01,199 --> 02:00:03,599 code and some potential updates that we 2924 02:00:03,599 --> 02:00:07,119 could make. Um, so just to be clear, no 2925 02:00:07,119 --> 02:00:08,960 action required. The purpose of this 2926 02:00:08,960 --> 02:00:10,880 study session is to provide the planning 2927 02:00:10,880 --> 02:00:14,000 commission with context on city EV code 2928 02:00:14,000 --> 02:00:15,920 and potential infrastructure standards 2929 02:00:15,920 --> 02:00:20,800 to be included within BMC 12.16, 2930 02:00:20,800 --> 02:00:23,360 parking, loading, transit access, and 2931 02:00:23,360 --> 02:00:25,440 pedestrian circulation. 2932 02:00:25,440 --> 02:00:27,760 Next slide please. 2933 02:00:27,760 --> 02:00:30,400 So this is just the overall agenda. We 2934 02:00:30,400 --> 02:00:33,040 can go ahead and move on. 2935 02:00:33,040 --> 02:00:35,040 So just to start with some discussion 2936 02:00:35,040 --> 02:00:37,360 questions to get your minds active 2937 02:00:37,360 --> 02:00:40,080 before we dive into the material. Um 2938 02:00:40,080 --> 02:00:42,639 this is basically the questions that I 2939 02:00:42,639 --> 02:00:45,199 would love to hear information from you 2940 02:00:45,199 --> 02:00:49,920 on. So um this is basically what we're 2941 02:00:49,920 --> 02:00:51,760 going to go through tonight within these 2942 02:00:51,760 --> 02:00:54,400 slides. So overview EV ready 2943 02:00:54,400 --> 02:00:57,520 requirements for multif family housing 2944 02:00:57,520 --> 02:00:59,440 should we increase requirements for 2945 02:00:59,440 --> 02:01:03,040 areas like grocery stores uh commercial 2946 02:01:03,040 --> 02:01:04,639 zones 2947 02:01:04,639 --> 02:01:06,239 um what should we do about affordable 2948 02:01:06,239 --> 02:01:08,320 housing should we provide any exemptions 2949 02:01:08,320 --> 02:01:10,239 for that 2950 02:01:10,239 --> 02:01:13,599 um which incentives could we use to 2951 02:01:13,599 --> 02:01:16,560 encourage EV charger installation 2952 02:01:16,560 --> 02:01:19,440 and then what do we think about level 2953 02:01:19,440 --> 02:01:21,840 three versus level two chargers could 2954 02:01:21,840 --> 02:01:24,159 one level three charger sort of work in 2955 02:01:24,159 --> 02:01:30,000 place of multiple level twos. Um yeah, 2956 02:01:30,000 --> 02:01:32,719 so some overall definition so you know 2957 02:01:32,719 --> 02:01:36,239 what I'm talking about. Um EV ready 2958 02:01:36,239 --> 02:01:38,560 parking stalls 2959 02:01:38,560 --> 02:01:41,679 208 to 240 volt dedicated branch 2960 02:01:41,679 --> 02:01:44,480 circuit. Uh they don't have a charger 2961 02:01:44,480 --> 02:01:46,719 installed yet though, but they have all 2962 02:01:46,719 --> 02:01:50,560 the conduit ready. And then electric 2963 02:01:50,560 --> 02:01:52,960 vehicle supply equipment is the electric 2964 02:01:52,960 --> 02:01:55,360 vehicle charger. And here in the state 2965 02:01:55,360 --> 02:01:58,000 of Washington has to be able to supply 2966 02:01:58,000 --> 02:02:02,159 current of 208 to 240 volts. 2967 02:02:02,159 --> 02:02:04,159 EV capable 2968 02:02:04,159 --> 02:02:06,320 not super of interest to us for this 2969 02:02:06,320 --> 02:02:08,320 presentation, but it is part of the 2970 02:02:08,320 --> 02:02:11,760 Washington state requirements. 2971 02:02:11,760 --> 02:02:14,800 Next slide, please. 2972 02:02:14,800 --> 02:02:17,520 All right. So, I'm going to start by 2973 02:02:17,520 --> 02:02:20,239 just providing some context. Why are we 2974 02:02:20,239 --> 02:02:23,199 talking about this stuff right now? Um, 2975 02:02:23,199 --> 02:02:26,080 so the climate action plan was passed in 2976 02:02:26,080 --> 02:02:27,679 November 2977 02:02:27,679 --> 02:02:32,400 of this year and uh or actually 2025 and 2978 02:02:32,400 --> 02:02:36,560 um it outlines different uh goals that 2979 02:02:36,560 --> 02:02:39,360 we can use to try to uh decarbonize 2980 02:02:39,360 --> 02:02:42,719 transportation. So transportation is our 2981 02:02:42,719 --> 02:02:45,199 largest polluting sector in both and 2982 02:02:45,199 --> 02:02:48,000 also in Washington state. So this is of 2983 02:02:48,000 --> 02:02:51,440 really high interest to city of both and 2984 02:02:51,440 --> 02:02:52,960 Washington state and our general 2985 02:02:52,960 --> 02:02:56,480 community. So I've put here sort of 2986 02:02:56,480 --> 02:02:58,000 where we're at with these and it was 2987 02:02:58,000 --> 02:03:00,800 also in the packet in progress. The 2988 02:03:00,800 --> 02:03:03,360 second one down is currently what we're 2989 02:03:03,360 --> 02:03:10,629 talking about. Next slide please. 2990 02:03:10,639 --> 02:03:13,840 So to provide some context, this is 2991 02:03:13,840 --> 02:03:15,760 electric vehicle registrations in 2992 02:03:15,760 --> 02:03:19,199 Washington state up to 2025. 2993 02:03:19,199 --> 02:03:21,679 So you're seeing a huge growth in 2994 02:03:21,679 --> 02:03:24,080 battery electric vehicles. 2995 02:03:24,080 --> 02:03:26,639 Um a little bit less of adoption for 2996 02:03:26,639 --> 02:03:29,280 plug-in hybrid, which makes sense. 2997 02:03:29,280 --> 02:03:32,639 People are going for fully electric. 2998 02:03:32,639 --> 02:03:35,840 Um next slide. 2999 02:03:35,840 --> 02:03:39,520 This is city of both. So, same type of 3000 02:03:39,520 --> 02:03:42,239 graph, but both almost has an even 3001 02:03:42,239 --> 02:03:45,520 steeper increase in battery electric 3002 02:03:45,520 --> 02:03:48,480 vehicles. So, this is a really great 3003 02:03:48,480 --> 02:03:50,719 sign. People are interested in driving 3004 02:03:50,719 --> 02:03:52,880 electric. I'm sure that gas prices has 3005 02:03:52,880 --> 02:03:56,000 something to do with that as well. Um, 3006 02:03:56,000 --> 02:03:57,920 and 3007 02:03:57,920 --> 02:04:03,270 see if there's anything else. 3008 02:04:03,280 --> 02:04:06,639 Yeah, next slide. 3009 02:04:06,639 --> 02:04:10,000 So Washington state is the 18th largest 3010 02:04:10,000 --> 02:04:12,719 state but ranks fourth in number of 3011 02:04:12,719 --> 02:04:15,360 fully electric vehicles. So we're at the 3012 02:04:15,360 --> 02:04:16,880 forefront here. So we need to be 3013 02:04:16,880 --> 02:04:19,760 considering how we plan ahead uh 3014 02:04:19,760 --> 02:04:22,080 especially with charging 3015 02:04:22,080 --> 02:04:24,639 and there's been a lot of data showing 3016 02:04:24,639 --> 02:04:27,119 that people are hesitant to buy an 3017 02:04:27,119 --> 02:04:29,360 electric vehicle if they don't see a 3018 02:04:29,360 --> 02:04:32,080 charger readily available to them. But 3019 02:04:32,080 --> 02:04:34,080 people are hesitant to install chargers 3020 02:04:34,080 --> 02:04:36,080 if they don't see plenty of electric 3021 02:04:36,080 --> 02:04:38,239 vehicles driving around. So it is kind 3022 02:04:38,239 --> 02:04:41,440 of a chicken or egg difficult decision 3023 02:04:41,440 --> 02:04:45,360 to make. So by putting some city 3024 02:04:45,360 --> 02:04:47,599 regulations we can kind of support this 3025 02:04:47,599 --> 02:04:50,800 process. Um 3026 02:04:50,800 --> 02:04:54,080 so this is just looking at city hall. 3027 02:04:54,080 --> 02:04:57,280 Here we have four charging stations as 3028 02:04:57,280 --> 02:05:00,239 you may know uh which is eight charging 3029 02:05:00,239 --> 02:05:02,800 points and this is the data that we 3030 02:05:02,800 --> 02:05:04,960 currently have on those stations as of 3031 02:05:04,960 --> 02:05:07,599 July 8th 2026. 3032 02:05:07,599 --> 02:05:10,400 I did the math that's about 18 to 20 3033 02:05:10,400 --> 02:05:12,800 sessions a day for that period of time. 3034 02:05:12,800 --> 02:05:16,159 Uh that's quite a bit. So certain areas 3035 02:05:16,159 --> 02:05:17,840 will have more obviously but I think 3036 02:05:17,840 --> 02:05:20,639 this is higher than average and a lot of 3037 02:05:20,639 --> 02:05:25,199 kilowatt hours consumed. Um so this is 3038 02:05:25,199 --> 02:05:28,159 showing that demand is super high. 3039 02:05:28,159 --> 02:05:30,480 There's a lot of need and there's not 3040 02:05:30,480 --> 02:05:32,560 necessarily the infrastructure to 3041 02:05:32,560 --> 02:05:35,440 support that need. We are one agency in 3042 02:05:35,440 --> 02:05:37,440 both brothel and we have this much 3043 02:05:37,440 --> 02:05:40,000 usage. So this is just more evidence we 3044 02:05:40,000 --> 02:05:42,480 need to be kind of considering the 3045 02:05:42,480 --> 02:05:48,790 landscape of this as we move forward. 3046 02:05:48,800 --> 02:05:51,599 So obviously we want to hear from the 3047 02:05:51,599 --> 02:05:53,840 community. So much of our work is based 3048 02:05:53,840 --> 02:05:56,960 in community feedback. What do people 3049 02:05:56,960 --> 02:05:59,360 want? What do they want to see? So we've 3050 02:05:59,360 --> 02:06:01,760 done a couple surveys. Uh we did some 3051 02:06:01,760 --> 02:06:04,639 surveys prior to the climate action plan 3052 02:06:04,639 --> 02:06:07,199 which is referenced here as well. And 3053 02:06:07,199 --> 02:06:09,920 then one just this past month in May 3054 02:06:09,920 --> 02:06:13,760 which already has I think around 130 3055 02:06:13,760 --> 02:06:17,199 responses. So, it's been very active and 3056 02:06:17,199 --> 02:06:19,440 people really prioritize pollution 3057 02:06:19,440 --> 02:06:22,880 reduction especially for health reasons 3058 02:06:22,880 --> 02:06:25,679 and they think that more charging 3059 02:06:25,679 --> 02:06:29,360 stations are going to be critical for 3060 02:06:29,360 --> 02:06:32,639 increasing EV adoption throughout both. 3061 02:06:32,639 --> 02:06:35,119 In addition, they want to see them 3062 02:06:35,119 --> 02:06:37,199 mostly at shopping centers. So, kind 3063 02:06:37,199 --> 02:06:39,920 tying back to grocery stores being top 3064 02:06:39,920 --> 02:06:43,760 spot for chargers. Um, and you can see 3065 02:06:43,760 --> 02:06:45,679 the data and how it ranks here in this 3066 02:06:45,679 --> 02:06:49,990 slide. 3067 02:06:50,000 --> 02:06:53,199 All right, next slide, please. 3068 02:06:53,199 --> 02:06:55,440 This is another way that we collected 3069 02:06:55,440 --> 02:06:58,000 data over the past few months. Um, I 3070 02:06:58,000 --> 02:07:00,560 believe this went live in February, so 3071 02:07:00,560 --> 02:07:02,719 we've been getting less and less 3072 02:07:02,719 --> 02:07:05,440 responses to it over time, but initially 3073 02:07:05,440 --> 02:07:08,239 we had a lot of activity. This is an 3074 02:07:08,239 --> 02:07:10,800 interactive map where people can put 3075 02:07:10,800 --> 02:07:13,199 where they would like to see a charger. 3076 02:07:13,199 --> 02:07:15,040 And all of the orange points are where 3077 02:07:15,040 --> 02:07:18,000 there are existing chargers. Um I 3078 02:07:18,000 --> 02:07:22,159 believe they are all public. Um 3079 02:07:22,159 --> 02:07:24,719 and then I grabbed some charge hub data 3080 02:07:24,719 --> 02:07:26,960 which you can see in the upper corner. 3081 02:07:26,960 --> 02:07:30,239 approximately 99 public chargers within 3082 02:07:30,239 --> 02:07:32,239 city limits 3083 02:07:32,239 --> 02:07:35,679 um are actually ports that is so less 3084 02:07:35,679 --> 02:07:37,920 chargers. Uh each charger usually has 3085 02:07:37,920 --> 02:07:42,159 two ports. Um so not a whole lot of 3086 02:07:42,159 --> 02:07:44,639 public charging available based on the 3087 02:07:44,639 --> 02:07:47,199 demand that I showed you as far as that 3088 02:07:47,199 --> 02:07:50,880 kind of exponential growth trend. 3089 02:07:50,880 --> 02:07:54,079 Um but yeah, really interesting way to 3090 02:07:54,079 --> 02:07:55,679 kind of collect feedback from people. 3091 02:07:55,679 --> 02:07:58,719 And the majority of these points were 3092 02:07:58,719 --> 02:08:02,079 um convenience store areas, grocery 3093 02:08:02,079 --> 02:08:05,760 stores, the library was a huge one. Most 3094 02:08:05,760 --> 02:08:09,360 people want chargers at the library. 3095 02:08:09,360 --> 02:08:13,830 And yeah, next slide. 3096 02:08:13,840 --> 02:08:15,360 So 3097 02:08:15,360 --> 02:08:17,679 getting into the code, 3098 02:08:17,679 --> 02:08:20,320 these are our current electric vehicle 3099 02:08:20,320 --> 02:08:22,400 standards for the state of Washington 3100 02:08:22,400 --> 02:08:26,239 based on the different zoning groups. So 3101 02:08:26,239 --> 02:08:27,920 tonight we're going to speak mostly 3102 02:08:27,920 --> 02:08:30,239 about commercial 3103 02:08:30,239 --> 02:08:33,360 and uh residential specifically 3104 02:08:33,360 --> 02:08:36,560 multifamily housing. So you see that as 3105 02:08:36,560 --> 02:08:39,920 group R the line on the bottom 3106 02:08:39,920 --> 02:08:46,320 10% installed 25 ready and 10% capable 3107 02:08:46,320 --> 02:08:48,880 the majority of other ones are all 10% 3108 02:08:48,880 --> 02:08:52,550 for each 3109 02:08:52,560 --> 02:08:56,960 and yeah let's move to the next slide. 3110 02:08:56,960 --> 02:09:00,960 So possible actions kind of got a sneak 3111 02:09:00,960 --> 02:09:03,679 peek in the discussion questions, but 3112 02:09:03,679 --> 02:09:06,239 this is based on my research and what 3113 02:09:06,239 --> 02:09:08,079 we've come up with here at the city. My 3114 02:09:08,079 --> 02:09:11,599 team uh this is kind of what we propose 3115 02:09:11,599 --> 02:09:14,400 could be a good way to meet the demand 3116 02:09:14,400 --> 02:09:17,599 that the city has for charging. So 3117 02:09:17,599 --> 02:09:19,760 increase EV ready percent requirements 3118 02:09:19,760 --> 02:09:22,320 for multif family housing potentially 3119 02:09:22,320 --> 02:09:25,360 provide exempt for affordable 3120 02:09:25,360 --> 02:09:27,520 increase EV ready or installed for 3121 02:09:27,520 --> 02:09:29,360 commercial lots. We're going to need to 3122 02:09:29,360 --> 02:09:33,760 decide which and how much. Um allow 3123 02:09:33,760 --> 02:09:35,679 developers to reduce the amount of EV 3124 02:09:35,679 --> 02:09:38,719 dedicated stalls if they install a level 3125 02:09:38,719 --> 02:09:42,079 three charger. reminder that level three 3126 02:09:42,079 --> 02:09:44,800 is the faster charger, so people will 3127 02:09:44,800 --> 02:09:47,679 have shorter dwell times. And then 3128 02:09:47,679 --> 02:09:50,320 incentives to encourage developers to 3129 02:09:50,320 --> 02:09:53,199 install more EV charging, whether that's 3130 02:09:53,199 --> 02:09:57,520 EV ready, capable, or fully operational. 3131 02:09:57,520 --> 02:10:00,400 Next slide, please. 3132 02:10:00,400 --> 02:10:02,960 All right, so we're going to just kind 3133 02:10:02,960 --> 02:10:05,040 of get into the details of each of these 3134 02:10:05,040 --> 02:10:09,119 topics and reference some survey data as 3135 02:10:09,119 --> 02:10:13,520 well. So based on our research 3136 02:10:13,520 --> 02:10:16,960 uh it's shown from the surveys that 3137 02:10:16,960 --> 02:10:19,040 people prefer to charge at home and 3138 02:10:19,040 --> 02:10:21,599 those who are still driving gas powered 3139 02:10:21,599 --> 02:10:24,880 vehicles can see themselves charging at 3140 02:10:24,880 --> 02:10:28,239 home versus elsewhere. Um and the 3141 02:10:28,239 --> 02:10:32,079 majority don't have access to charging 3142 02:10:32,079 --> 02:10:36,400 wherever they're living currently. 3143 02:10:36,400 --> 02:10:38,719 And then 3144 02:10:38,719 --> 02:10:41,840 the increase of EV ready requirements uh 3145 02:10:41,840 --> 02:10:44,960 would be for multifamily residential 3146 02:10:44,960 --> 02:10:46,800 developments which would include 3147 02:10:46,800 --> 02:10:49,040 apartments, condominiums, 3148 02:10:49,040 --> 02:10:52,239 uh mixed use residential but would not 3149 02:10:52,239 --> 02:10:55,679 include single family housing or uh town 3150 02:10:55,679 --> 02:10:58,560 homes or things of that nature. Would be 3151 02:10:58,560 --> 02:11:02,079 for uh yeah multi-unit 3152 02:11:02,079 --> 02:11:10,550 uh developments. 3153 02:11:10,560 --> 02:11:14,239 Okay, next slide. 3154 02:11:14,239 --> 02:11:17,679 So really the benefit of increasing EV 3155 02:11:17,679 --> 02:11:21,920 ready requirements is that you're making 3156 02:11:21,920 --> 02:11:25,280 it easier for apartment owners to go 3157 02:11:25,280 --> 02:11:28,320 ahead and install chargers as the need 3158 02:11:28,320 --> 02:11:31,679 comes about. So we are not the first to 3159 02:11:31,679 --> 02:11:33,280 be thinking about this. Other 3160 02:11:33,280 --> 02:11:35,040 jurisdictions in the area have already 3161 02:11:35,040 --> 02:11:37,679 done this or they're planning to. 3162 02:11:37,679 --> 02:11:41,920 Notably, we have King County at 40%, 3163 02:11:41,920 --> 02:11:44,400 we have Isiqua 30 and they're actually 3164 02:11:44,400 --> 02:11:46,480 making requirements for existing 3165 02:11:46,480 --> 02:11:48,560 multifamily as well. So, they're needing 3166 02:11:48,560 --> 02:11:50,960 to go back and retrofit. [snorts] And 3167 02:11:50,960 --> 02:11:53,440 then Redmond has, I believe, the highest 3168 02:11:53,440 --> 02:11:56,000 right now at 90%. 3169 02:11:56,000 --> 02:11:59,599 And then if you look at any code in uh 3170 02:11:59,599 --> 02:12:02,480 Canada, the majority are at 100% EV 3171 02:12:02,480 --> 02:12:05,599 ready in their uh multif family parking 3172 02:12:05,599 --> 02:12:07,360 spaces. 3173 02:12:07,360 --> 02:12:09,599 So 3174 02:12:09,599 --> 02:12:11,360 let's talk about money a little bit. 3175 02:12:11,360 --> 02:12:14,159 We'll talk about it more later, but 3176 02:12:14,159 --> 02:12:17,360 basically retrofit costs are quite a bit 3177 02:12:17,360 --> 02:12:21,520 more than if you put the conduit or get 3178 02:12:21,520 --> 02:12:23,440 yourself ready while you're building the 3179 02:12:23,440 --> 02:12:26,000 building. Um, it's a hard sell to 3180 02:12:26,000 --> 02:12:27,920 developers. Obviously, they don't want 3181 02:12:27,920 --> 02:12:30,400 to necessarily spend more money upfront, 3182 02:12:30,400 --> 02:12:34,800 but it will save time and money in the 3183 02:12:34,800 --> 02:12:36,800 long run. 3184 02:12:36,800 --> 02:12:38,560 Okay, 3185 02:12:38,560 --> 02:12:43,270 next slide. 3186 02:12:43,280 --> 02:12:45,920 So, affordable housing is another 3187 02:12:45,920 --> 02:12:48,480 consideration in city of both. I know 3188 02:12:48,480 --> 02:12:50,800 that we're really interested in making 3189 02:12:50,800 --> 02:12:53,280 affordable housing available. We want 3190 02:12:53,280 --> 02:12:56,159 that in our downtown. Uh we want people 3191 02:12:56,159 --> 02:12:58,400 to come and live here as easily as 3192 02:12:58,400 --> 02:13:01,360 possible. Uh a lot of different kinds of 3193 02:13:01,360 --> 02:13:03,920 people as well from different areas and 3194 02:13:03,920 --> 02:13:06,480 backgrounds. And so we don't want to 3195 02:13:06,480 --> 02:13:08,320 start enforcing code that doesn't 3196 02:13:08,320 --> 02:13:12,320 consider that reality. Um so there are 3197 02:13:12,320 --> 02:13:15,199 some areas that have made exemptions 3198 02:13:15,199 --> 02:13:17,520 with their electric vehicle code for 3199 02:13:17,520 --> 02:13:19,840 affordable housing. 3200 02:13:19,840 --> 02:13:22,239 I know the city of Isiqua is considering 3201 02:13:22,239 --> 02:13:24,239 this as they move forward with 3202 02:13:24,239 --> 02:13:27,040 strengthening their EV code. 3203 02:13:27,040 --> 02:13:29,679 Um, but the majority of state codes, 3204 02:13:29,679 --> 02:13:32,000 Washington and California included, 3205 02:13:32,000 --> 02:13:33,920 don't make exemptions for affordable 3206 02:13:33,920 --> 02:13:35,840 housing. 3207 02:13:35,840 --> 02:13:39,599 One concern with this is just that 3208 02:13:39,599 --> 02:13:41,679 we really want to make sure that 3209 02:13:41,679 --> 02:13:43,760 electric vehicle charger access is for 3210 02:13:43,760 --> 02:13:46,239 everyone, not just people who can afford 3211 02:13:46,239 --> 02:13:48,800 and to live in buildings that have it. 3212 02:13:48,800 --> 02:13:51,199 So by exempting affordable housing, 3213 02:13:51,199 --> 02:13:53,520 you're potentially blocking access to 3214 02:13:53,520 --> 02:13:56,480 chargers in that location. So some ideas 3215 02:13:56,480 --> 02:13:58,639 that we've had is like providing 3216 02:13:58,639 --> 02:14:00,480 technical assistance for those buildings 3217 02:14:00,480 --> 02:14:02,560 once they're built to then get grant 3218 02:14:02,560 --> 02:14:05,280 funding to install or during the 3219 02:14:05,280 --> 02:14:07,840 installation process. we can match that 3220 02:14:07,840 --> 02:14:09,440 up with their development process and 3221 02:14:09,440 --> 02:14:11,760 try to try to provide some services to 3222 02:14:11,760 --> 02:14:14,800 them so they're able to have chargers 3223 02:14:14,800 --> 02:14:16,719 but they're not stuck with the burden 3224 02:14:16,719 --> 02:14:21,119 upfront of those extra costs. So, uh 3225 02:14:21,119 --> 02:14:23,199 something else I'd love your feedback on 3226 02:14:23,199 --> 02:14:25,920 as we move forward. 3227 02:14:25,920 --> 02:14:28,880 Next slide. 3228 02:14:28,880 --> 02:14:33,520 Okay, more money. The fun part. So, um, 3229 02:14:33,520 --> 02:14:35,280 a lot of people are concerned about how 3230 02:14:35,280 --> 02:14:38,320 much more this is going to cost. 3231 02:14:38,320 --> 02:14:41,119 So I have broken this down as best as 3232 02:14:41,119 --> 02:14:43,679 possible to show 3233 02:14:43,679 --> 02:14:47,920 how much it would be for what it is now 3234 02:14:47,920 --> 02:14:50,719 for the existing requirement and then if 3235 02:14:50,719 --> 02:14:55,520 we raised it to 45 45% EV ready and then 3236 02:14:55,520 --> 02:15:00,719 it shows the cost for building it during 3237 02:15:00,719 --> 02:15:02,800 construction and then what it would cost 3238 02:15:02,800 --> 02:15:06,880 to do it as a retrofit afterwards. 3239 02:15:06,880 --> 02:15:08,560 Electric vehicles are not going 3240 02:15:08,560 --> 02:15:10,880 anywhere. I can't stress that enough. 3241 02:15:10,880 --> 02:15:12,719 They're going to keep growing. They're 3242 02:15:12,719 --> 02:15:15,119 going to continuously get more popular 3243 02:15:15,119 --> 02:15:16,960 and there's going to need to be charging 3244 02:15:16,960 --> 02:15:18,639 for them. It's like a phone. If it 3245 02:15:18,639 --> 02:15:20,800 doesn't have a charger, it doesn't work. 3246 02:15:20,800 --> 02:15:24,079 So, the state code is almost guaranteed 3247 02:15:24,079 --> 02:15:25,840 to get more stringent. So, we're really 3248 02:15:25,840 --> 02:15:29,440 doing our developments a service if we 3249 02:15:29,440 --> 02:15:31,360 help them get their infrastructure ready 3250 02:15:31,360 --> 02:15:34,320 ahead of time. So it is going to be more 3251 02:15:34,320 --> 02:15:38,239 of an upfront cost for them, but they're 3252 02:15:38,239 --> 02:15:40,880 going to save money in the long run. So 3253 02:15:40,880 --> 02:15:44,639 if we raised to 45% 3254 02:15:44,639 --> 02:15:48,719 for a parking lot with 40 spaces, 3255 02:15:48,719 --> 02:15:52,159 18 would be EV ready and it would cost 3256 02:15:52,159 --> 02:15:55,990 that $27,000. 3257 02:15:56,000 --> 02:15:58,000 Um, 3258 02:15:58,000 --> 02:16:01,440 but if you waited until after 3259 02:16:01,440 --> 02:16:03,040 the building has already been built, it 3260 02:16:03,040 --> 02:16:06,239 would be that 72,000. So hopefully that 3261 02:16:06,239 --> 02:16:09,119 breakdown makes sense. I do have the 3262 02:16:09,119 --> 02:16:11,199 cost per parking space as well there at 3263 02:16:11,199 --> 02:16:15,280 the bottom. And then the uh price 3264 02:16:15,280 --> 02:16:20,560 increase from the 25 to the 45. So 3265 02:16:20,560 --> 02:16:23,840 hopefully that makes sense. And is there 3266 02:16:23,840 --> 02:16:27,679 anything else I wanted to say on that? 3267 02:16:27,679 --> 02:16:30,320 Oh, I did want to mention that we're 3268 02:16:30,320 --> 02:16:34,080 also going to be supporting the city by 3269 02:16:34,080 --> 02:16:36,719 having less permitting and utility 3270 02:16:36,719 --> 02:16:39,840 considerations over time, too. Retrofit 3271 02:16:39,840 --> 02:16:42,479 is harder to 3272 02:16:42,479 --> 02:16:45,040 deal with permitting and the utility is 3273 02:16:45,040 --> 02:16:47,280 going to come out and have to do a new 3274 02:16:47,280 --> 02:16:50,800 service request and assessment for the 3275 02:16:50,800 --> 02:16:54,559 conduit and all that. So there are some 3276 02:16:54,559 --> 02:16:58,240 uh efficiency benefits as well to uh 3277 02:16:58,240 --> 02:17:01,200 providing enforcement up front. Okay, 3278 02:17:01,200 --> 02:17:06,389 next slide. 3279 02:17:06,399 --> 02:17:08,719 Great. So we talked about this a little 3280 02:17:08,719 --> 02:17:11,519 bit earlier but coming back to 3281 02:17:11,519 --> 02:17:14,319 commercial public charging. So there was 3282 02:17:14,319 --> 02:17:17,840 a recent study done by electric era 3283 02:17:17,840 --> 02:17:20,880 which is a company that helps people 3284 02:17:20,880 --> 02:17:22,960 install and plan and figure out where to 3285 02:17:22,960 --> 02:17:26,240 put electric vehicle chargers. And this 3286 02:17:26,240 --> 02:17:28,880 is some of the data that they showed 3287 02:17:28,880 --> 02:17:32,800 that uh EV chargers have seven times the 3288 02:17:32,800 --> 02:17:35,040 amount of 3289 02:17:35,040 --> 02:17:38,399 utilization if they are near 11 or more 3290 02:17:38,399 --> 02:17:41,599 amenities and grocery stores see the 3291 02:17:41,599 --> 02:17:44,479 highest median charging sessions per day 3292 02:17:44,479 --> 02:17:47,200 at 42. So we talked about here at city 3293 02:17:47,200 --> 02:17:50,160 hall we get 18 to 20 grocery stores are 3294 02:17:50,160 --> 02:17:53,679 42. So that is where there needs to be 3295 02:17:53,679 --> 02:17:55,519 more chargers is basically what the 3296 02:17:55,519 --> 02:17:58,160 research is showing. So 3297 02:17:58,160 --> 02:18:01,840 proposing to increase EV code standards 3298 02:18:01,840 --> 02:18:04,639 for zones that are general commercial 3299 02:18:04,639 --> 02:18:07,679 multi-use commercial or multi-use 3300 02:18:07,679 --> 02:18:12,319 employment um and those like grocery 3301 02:18:12,319 --> 02:18:14,000 stores are within that. Other amenity 3302 02:18:14,000 --> 02:18:17,439 types are within those zonings. Um and 3303 02:18:17,439 --> 02:18:21,359 53.4% 4% of survey respondents 3304 02:18:21,359 --> 02:18:23,920 want to see additional charging sess 3305 02:18:23,920 --> 02:18:27,519 stations near shopping centers. So 3306 02:18:27,519 --> 02:18:30,719 there's need uh 3307 02:18:30,719 --> 02:18:34,800 we are thinking that this can apply to 3308 02:18:34,800 --> 02:18:38,719 grocery store or or amenity tenants that 3309 02:18:38,719 --> 02:18:41,219 have parking lots that are 100 stalls 3310 02:18:41,219 --> 02:18:41,840 [clears throat] 3311 02:18:41,840 --> 02:18:43,679 or more 3312 02:18:43,679 --> 02:18:46,080 uh so as not to put too much of a burden 3313 02:18:46,080 --> 02:18:49,599 on some smaller local businesses. 3314 02:18:49,599 --> 02:18:54,070 Um, 3315 02:18:54,080 --> 02:18:57,439 yeah, I think that's everything. 3316 02:18:57,439 --> 02:18:59,280 So, here's some examples. There's not 3317 02:18:59,280 --> 02:19:02,719 too many, but the top is the current 3318 02:19:02,719 --> 02:19:06,319 existing standards. And then, uh, again, 3319 02:19:06,319 --> 02:19:10,080 Canada leading the way. Uh, we are 3320 02:19:10,080 --> 02:19:14,800 following behind. So they have 15 and 25 3321 02:19:14,800 --> 02:19:16,559 and then 3322 02:19:16,559 --> 02:19:19,359 Vancouver a little bit lower fully 3323 02:19:19,359 --> 02:19:22,719 installed but higher EV ready. So, sort 3324 02:19:22,719 --> 02:19:26,479 of different approaches, but getting at 3325 02:19:26,479 --> 02:19:29,200 uh what we're presenting here as far as 3326 02:19:29,200 --> 02:19:31,280 targeting these zones where chargers are 3327 02:19:31,280 --> 02:19:35,509 really needed 3328 02:19:35,519 --> 02:19:37,200 and 3329 02:19:37,200 --> 02:19:39,519 to address concerns that these 3330 02:19:39,519 --> 02:19:41,840 developments may have as far as taking 3331 02:19:41,840 --> 02:19:44,479 up too many of their parking spaces with 3332 02:19:44,479 --> 02:19:46,559 EV charging, 3333 02:19:46,559 --> 02:19:50,800 this is a proposed solution to that. So 3334 02:19:50,800 --> 02:19:53,760 instead of having 3335 02:19:53,760 --> 02:19:56,640 multiple level two chargers, 3336 02:19:56,640 --> 02:19:59,359 allowing developers to install a level 3337 02:19:59,359 --> 02:20:02,960 three charger instead. So f the faster 3338 02:20:02,960 --> 02:20:05,359 charging will serve more people, more 3339 02:20:05,359 --> 02:20:08,000 vehicles throughout the day. Uh and so 3340 02:20:08,000 --> 02:20:10,960 you're still getting high utilization, 3341 02:20:10,960 --> 02:20:13,520 high amount of charge sessions, but 3342 02:20:13,520 --> 02:20:17,280 you're not taking up as many spaces. So, 3343 02:20:17,280 --> 02:20:20,399 the amount of level two chargers that 3344 02:20:20,399 --> 02:20:22,240 could be replaced by a level three 3345 02:20:22,240 --> 02:20:24,720 charger, there needs to be more research 3346 02:20:24,720 --> 02:20:28,319 done on that uh to decide how much that 3347 02:20:28,319 --> 02:20:31,439 ratio would be, but this is a potential 3348 02:20:31,439 --> 02:20:33,680 solution for developers as far as a 3349 02:20:33,680 --> 02:20:35,840 concern of taking up too many parking 3350 02:20:35,840 --> 02:20:38,640 spaces. 3351 02:20:38,640 --> 02:20:41,120 Next slide. 3352 02:20:41,120 --> 02:20:43,439 Okay. So, 3353 02:20:43,439 --> 02:20:47,280 incentives. This would be not regulation 3354 02:20:47,280 --> 02:20:49,600 necessarily by the city. This would be a 3355 02:20:49,600 --> 02:20:51,920 way to encourage people to take the 3356 02:20:51,920 --> 02:20:54,479 actions we want to see and install more 3357 02:20:54,479 --> 02:20:58,319 EV charging or EV ready. Uh the city of 3358 02:20:58,319 --> 02:21:00,640 Redmond has an affordable housing and 3359 02:21:00,640 --> 02:21:04,319 green building incentive program that we 3360 02:21:04,319 --> 02:21:06,319 appreciate here at city of Balfl and 3361 02:21:06,319 --> 02:21:10,000 like the the setup of. And so this could 3362 02:21:10,000 --> 02:21:12,240 be a recommendation that we make as far 3363 02:21:12,240 --> 02:21:14,560 as how we could organize 3364 02:21:14,560 --> 02:21:17,040 uh an electric vehicle incentive 3365 02:21:17,040 --> 02:21:20,960 program. And I would stress that it 3366 02:21:20,960 --> 02:21:22,800 would probably make the most sense to 3367 02:21:22,800 --> 02:21:25,520 have it be an incentive that could work 3368 02:21:25,520 --> 02:21:29,120 for a lot of different sustainable um uh 3369 02:21:29,120 --> 02:21:33,040 initiatives that we have like solar or 3370 02:21:33,040 --> 02:21:35,520 uh green buildings, energy efficiency 3371 02:21:35,520 --> 02:21:37,359 upgrades and things like that. We would 3372 02:21:37,359 --> 02:21:40,240 try to use this same point system so 3373 02:21:40,240 --> 02:21:43,280 that it's very universal across all of 3374 02:21:43,280 --> 02:21:45,280 our code. And that's something we've 3375 02:21:45,280 --> 02:21:47,280 discussed as a team and think would work 3376 02:21:47,280 --> 02:21:51,200 pretty well. We would need to talk about 3377 02:21:51,200 --> 02:21:54,800 how many points things would be, what 3378 02:21:54,800 --> 02:21:56,800 types of incentives we would use. I put 3379 02:21:56,800 --> 02:22:00,399 a few ideas on the side and they're 3380 02:22:00,399 --> 02:22:02,319 controversial. I understand. [laughter] 3381 02:22:02,319 --> 02:22:05,600 So, we would need to decide, you know, 3382 02:22:05,600 --> 02:22:09,120 um expedited permit review and and what 3383 02:22:09,120 --> 02:22:10,640 would 3384 02:22:10,640 --> 02:22:14,720 kind of meet that uh balance that out. 3385 02:22:14,720 --> 02:22:17,120 So, 3386 02:22:17,120 --> 02:22:19,680 that's one idea that we have as far as 3387 02:22:19,680 --> 02:22:23,439 incentives. I think if we do incentives, 3388 02:22:23,439 --> 02:22:25,280 it would be our recommendation that it 3389 02:22:25,280 --> 02:22:29,280 would work alongside some sort of code 3390 02:22:29,280 --> 02:22:31,600 as well. So it would be sort of a 3391 02:22:31,600 --> 02:22:34,479 dual-fold approach at helping encourage 3392 02:22:34,479 --> 02:22:38,800 people and require people to 3393 02:22:38,800 --> 02:22:42,640 install electric vehicle charging. 3394 02:22:42,640 --> 02:22:45,680 Next slide, please. 3395 02:22:45,680 --> 02:22:50,800 So in review, we have some gaps that we 3396 02:22:50,800 --> 02:22:53,200 see. There's growing demand without 3397 02:22:53,200 --> 02:22:57,359 necessarily any network growth. uh 3398 02:22:57,359 --> 02:23:00,640 there's some but we need more chargers 3399 02:23:00,640 --> 02:23:02,880 and then the state code minimums that 3400 02:23:02,880 --> 02:23:05,520 exist now are unl unlikely to keep up 3401 02:23:05,520 --> 02:23:09,439 with the projected charging demand. So 3402 02:23:09,439 --> 02:23:12,560 this presentation is our first attempt 3403 02:23:12,560 --> 02:23:15,680 at making some suggestions some ideas 3404 02:23:15,680 --> 02:23:17,439 based on researching what other 3405 02:23:17,439 --> 02:23:19,520 jurisdictions are doing to try to 3406 02:23:19,520 --> 02:23:22,000 address these gaps. 3407 02:23:22,000 --> 02:23:25,510 Next slide. 3408 02:23:25,520 --> 02:23:27,600 And these are the same questions as 3409 02:23:27,600 --> 02:23:29,120 before. 3410 02:23:29,120 --> 02:23:41,510 Um, and I'd love to hear your feedback. 3411 02:23:41,520 --> 02:23:43,120 Commissioner Westerbeck here. Great 3412 02:23:43,120 --> 02:23:45,120 presentation. Really glad we're tackling 3413 02:23:45,120 --> 02:23:47,920 this. Um, I can't help but think about 3414 02:23:47,920 --> 02:23:50,880 my experiences. I do occasional small 3415 02:23:50,880 --> 02:23:52,800 development projects like four unit 3416 02:23:52,800 --> 02:23:56,880 size. For the last seven years or so, I 3417 02:23:56,880 --> 02:24:00,000 just consider EV ready the minimum for 3418 02:24:00,000 --> 02:24:01,840 all the granted we're only doing four, 3419 02:24:01,840 --> 02:24:04,399 five, six, seven parking spots, but it 3420 02:24:04,399 --> 02:24:05,760 doesn't I remember talking to my 3421 02:24:05,760 --> 02:24:09,439 electrician about it back in 2018 or 17. 3422 02:24:09,439 --> 02:24:11,120 They said it doesn't really cost us 3423 02:24:11,120 --> 02:24:13,120 much. It's not going to cost us as the 3424 02:24:13,120 --> 02:24:16,160 buyer much to do it at construction to 3425 02:24:16,160 --> 02:24:20,080 have the the conduit placed and wire it 3426 02:24:20,080 --> 02:24:22,640 to each of the if it's assigned. For 3427 02:24:22,640 --> 02:24:23,920 example, one building we have, well, 3428 02:24:23,920 --> 02:24:25,680 actually the last two buildings, they 3429 02:24:25,680 --> 02:24:28,880 were assigned parking and um so they're 3430 02:24:28,880 --> 02:24:31,920 paying for the energy they use if they 3431 02:24:31,920 --> 02:24:34,240 use their, you know, assigned spot. And 3432 02:24:34,240 --> 02:24:36,960 it's easy and it doesn't actually, you 3433 02:24:36,960 --> 02:24:38,399 know, we're we're working with pretty 3434 02:24:38,399 --> 02:24:41,200 tight budgets. Um and it didn't have a 3435 02:24:41,200 --> 02:24:42,479 ton of cost. To me, it's just a 3436 02:24:42,479 --> 02:24:45,760 no-brainer. We just do it period. And um 3437 02:24:45,760 --> 02:24:50,560 yeah, so I'm pro add more. Um, I think 3438 02:24:50,560 --> 02:24:54,000 the higher numbers are good. Um, 3439 02:24:54,000 --> 02:24:56,399 that 45 I was thinking like we had 10 3440 02:24:56,399 --> 02:24:58,479 20% and some I'm thinking let's d let's 3441 02:24:58,479 --> 02:25:02,080 at least double those. Um, so um and 3442 02:25:02,080 --> 02:25:03,920 I've talked to people around downtown 3443 02:25:03,920 --> 02:25:06,880 both here, some other cities, Redmond 3444 02:25:06,880 --> 02:25:08,080 because I've actually got a project in 3445 02:25:08,080 --> 02:25:09,520 Redmond so I recognize some of that 3446 02:25:09,520 --> 02:25:12,640 code. Um and um yeah, people live in 3447 02:25:12,640 --> 02:25:15,680 apartments frequently, you know, they're 3448 02:25:15,680 --> 02:25:18,479 um they're comfortably financially 3449 02:25:18,479 --> 02:25:20,479 comfortable, but they're like, "Well, I, 3450 02:25:20,479 --> 02:25:23,040 you know, I don't want to get an EV. I 3451 02:25:23,040 --> 02:25:25,120 want one, but I I don't know that I'm 3452 02:25:25,120 --> 02:25:26,080 going to be able to charge it 3453 02:25:26,080 --> 02:25:28,319 consistently." It's like some people 3454 02:25:28,319 --> 02:25:30,160 have range anxiety, some people have 3455 02:25:30,160 --> 02:25:32,560 charger anxiety. So any everything you 3456 02:25:32,560 --> 02:25:34,720 said has has resonated with with with my 3457 02:25:34,720 --> 02:25:36,720 experience both both building housing as 3458 02:25:36,720 --> 02:25:38,960 well as talking to people who want to 3459 02:25:38,960 --> 02:25:41,120 have have an EV and and are not sure if 3460 02:25:41,120 --> 02:25:43,359 they can um especially in some of the 3461 02:25:43,359 --> 02:25:44,479 big buildings like we were talking about 3462 02:25:44,479 --> 02:25:46,080 with the bike parking. So just a few 3463 02:25:46,080 --> 02:25:49,040 comments there. So like yes yes on those 3464 02:25:49,040 --> 02:25:52,000 first couple questions. Um and then that 3465 02:25:52,000 --> 02:25:53,920 was really compelling that you that you 3466 02:25:53,920 --> 02:25:56,160 wrote up about learned about the the 3467 02:25:56,160 --> 02:25:57,680 grocery stores and the strip malls and 3468 02:25:57,680 --> 02:26:02,080 things like that. Um, so that seems imperative. The affordable 3469 02:26:02,080 --> 02:26:05,359 housing, um, I don't know that we should 3470 02:26:05,359 --> 02:26:08,399 do exceptions. I I tend to feel that, 3471 02:26:08,399 --> 02:26:10,800 um, I've worked with with Habitat for 3472 02:26:10,800 --> 02:26:12,399 Humanity a bit on some projects and they 3473 02:26:12,399 --> 02:26:15,120 always feel like those their their 3474 02:26:15,120 --> 02:26:17,280 clients should have the same benefits 3475 02:26:17,280 --> 02:26:19,040 that, like you said a minute ago, people 3476 02:26:19,040 --> 02:26:21,200 with more money have. And so knowing 3477 02:26:21,200 --> 02:26:22,560 that if it's done at construction, it's 3478 02:26:22,560 --> 02:26:23,840 not terribly expensive. They should be 3479 02:26:23,840 --> 02:26:25,520 at least EV ready, a pretty high 3480 02:26:25,520 --> 02:26:27,840 percentage of those units so that they, 3481 02:26:27,840 --> 02:26:29,280 you know, we want everyone to be 3482 02:26:29,280 --> 02:26:32,080 eventually adopting, you know, um, 3483 02:26:32,080 --> 02:26:34,240 electric technology for their cars, I 3484 02:26:34,240 --> 02:26:40,240 think, as a society and it fits into our environmental goals in the city. So, 3485 02:26:40,240 --> 02:26:42,000 uh, the direction of all this and the 3486 02:26:42,000 --> 02:26:43,359 really thorough research here is 3487 02:26:43,359 --> 02:26:46,240 fantastic. I'm, you know, pro increasing 3488 02:26:46,240 --> 02:26:49,439 these and I'm super sensitive to how it 3489 02:26:49,439 --> 02:26:51,200 increases project costs. Something I 3490 02:26:51,200 --> 02:26:54,960 talk about with the planning staff and public works and everything all the 3491 02:26:54,960 --> 02:26:56,720 time. But that's why I'm really saying 3492 02:26:56,720 --> 02:26:59,680 like the if we can minimize the retrofit 3493 02:26:59,680 --> 02:27:02,399 and really emphasize and then in do like 3494 02:27:02,399 --> 02:27:03,600 I think we're gonna we'll have to be 3495 02:27:03,600 --> 02:27:05,600 probably creative about the I think 3496 02:27:05,600 --> 02:27:06,880 you've got a good list of kind of 3497 02:27:06,880 --> 02:27:09,760 allocart maybe green point uh green you 3498 02:27:09,760 --> 02:27:11,439 know points almost like the energy code 3499 02:27:11,439 --> 02:27:15,120 does um to incentivize those so that 3500 02:27:15,120 --> 02:27:18,560 it's not a huge increase cost um because 3501 02:27:18,560 --> 02:27:20,160 they're going to get um you know a 3502 02:27:20,160 --> 02:27:22,319 reduction in cost elsewhere uh on the 3503 02:27:22,319 --> 02:27:25,040 project uh and that's I think especially 3504 02:27:25,040 --> 02:27:26,960 in and at a time when I think and we've 3505 02:27:26,960 --> 02:27:28,399 discussed this planning commission 3506 02:27:28,399 --> 02:27:30,160 multiple times the last couple years 3507 02:27:30,160 --> 02:27:32,080 even market rate housing isn't penciling 3508 02:27:32,080 --> 02:27:33,600 out very well. So affordable is going to 3509 02:27:33,600 --> 02:27:35,840 be really a hard sell. So we might have 3510 02:27:35,840 --> 02:27:38,319 to get kind of aggressive with um okay 3511 02:27:38,319 --> 02:27:41,040 we want you to do the the EV ready and 3512 02:27:41,040 --> 02:27:43,120 we're going to be you know really 3513 02:27:43,120 --> 02:27:45,520 willing to work with you on our allocart 3514 02:27:45,520 --> 02:27:47,760 list of incentives to get these things 3515 02:27:47,760 --> 02:27:50,880 installed and done. Um, so sort of some 3516 02:27:50,880 --> 02:27:52,240 random thoughts there, but I really like 3517 02:27:52,240 --> 02:27:54,319 the direction here and I'm pro 3518 02:27:54,319 --> 02:27:55,760 increasing because I think you said, 3519 02:27:55,760 --> 02:27:57,520 like you said, it's it's here to stay. I 3520 02:27:57,520 --> 02:28:00,000 mean, everybody I know is trying to, you 3521 02:28:00,000 --> 02:28:02,960 know, move away from ICE cars and get to 3522 02:28:02,960 --> 02:28:05,840 EVs. 3523 02:28:05,840 --> 02:28:11,670 >> Thank you for your comments, 3524 02:28:11,680 --> 02:28:14,240 » Commissioner Kieran. 3525 02:28:14,240 --> 02:28:15,680 >> Well, I I'll second everything 3526 02:28:15,680 --> 02:28:18,319 Commissioner West said. Uh I I think 3527 02:28:18,319 --> 02:28:20,399 having them be EV ready is really 3528 02:28:20,399 --> 02:28:23,200 important. Um again, initial 3529 02:28:23,200 --> 02:28:25,439 installation versus retrofit is just a 3530 02:28:25,439 --> 02:28:27,520 huge difference. So should definitely go 3531 02:28:27,520 --> 02:28:30,240 that way. And I really like the idea of 3532 02:28:30,240 --> 02:28:32,800 it being part of a green building 3533 02:28:32,800 --> 02:28:36,080 application package, you know, and and 3534 02:28:36,080 --> 02:28:38,240 looking at the incentives for that 3535 02:28:38,240 --> 02:28:40,399 building to be green with this being an 3536 02:28:40,399 --> 02:28:42,960 important component of it. So I'd be 3537 02:28:42,960 --> 02:28:44,160 interested in seeing how you go down 3538 02:28:44,160 --> 02:28:48,240 that path. Um, I wonder if how much of a 3539 02:28:48,240 --> 02:28:49,520 problem there is with turnover. Do 3540 02:28:49,520 --> 02:28:52,000 people just use them as parking spaces? 3541 02:28:52,000 --> 02:28:54,479 Get there, plug it in, and stay. Uh, 3542 02:28:54,479 --> 02:28:56,720 kind of like the bicycle uh question. 3543 02:28:56,720 --> 02:28:58,000 They take a space, but don't use it. 3544 02:28:58,000 --> 02:28:59,200 >> That was one of my notes I forgot to 3545 02:28:59,200 --> 02:29:00,560 bring up. Thank you. 3546 02:29:00,560 --> 02:29:05,439 >> Yeah. Um, so I I don't have a suggestion 3547 02:29:05,439 --> 02:29:07,840 or solution, but it's a question I have 3548 02:29:07,840 --> 02:29:09,439 that I think you should consider and see 3549 02:29:09,439 --> 02:29:11,359 what other people are doing. And 3550 02:29:11,359 --> 02:29:13,920 finally, you did mention business uh 3551 02:29:13,920 --> 02:29:16,319 benefit. I think restaurants could 3552 02:29:16,319 --> 02:29:18,479 really benefit from this. People, you 3553 02:29:18,479 --> 02:29:19,920 know, who are driving, they look for a 3554 02:29:19,920 --> 02:29:22,720 place to charge and if they can stop and 3555 02:29:22,720 --> 02:29:24,720 charge, they're going to go in and have, 3556 02:29:24,720 --> 02:29:27,600 you know, something to eat or, you know, 3557 02:29:27,600 --> 02:29:29,600 cup of coffee or whatever. So, I do 3558 02:29:29,600 --> 02:29:32,240 think it it's a benefit to the business 3559 02:29:32,240 --> 02:29:34,960 that they could really take advantage of 3560 02:29:34,960 --> 02:29:37,200 and I think that should be highlighted. 3561 02:29:37,200 --> 02:29:38,720 You know, I know my son lives in 3562 02:29:38,720 --> 02:29:40,960 Portland. He has an EV. he comes here, 3563 02:29:40,960 --> 02:29:42,880 he doesn't always make it, but he's got 3564 02:29:42,880 --> 02:29:46,240 a restaurant he knows has a charger and 3565 02:29:46,240 --> 02:29:49,200 they make a stop there. So, um, you 3566 02:29:49,200 --> 02:29:51,520 know, that should be really recognized 3567 02:29:51,520 --> 02:29:53,520 and highlighted. So, thank you for your 3568 02:29:53,520 --> 02:29:55,040 work on this. 3569 02:29:55,040 --> 02:29:57,120 >> Yeah, thank you. And I can speak to a 3570 02:29:57,120 --> 02:30:00,160 little bit as far as uh dwell time. Here 3571 02:30:00,160 --> 02:30:02,720 at city hall, it's around 3 and a half 3572 02:30:02,720 --> 02:30:04,800 hours and then people tend to stay an 3573 02:30:04,800 --> 02:30:06,960 additional hour after their car is done 3574 02:30:06,960 --> 02:30:09,840 charging. So, a lot of fee structures, 3575 02:30:09,840 --> 02:30:11,760 one similar to what we actually just 3576 02:30:11,760 --> 02:30:15,040 passed last night in city council has a 3577 02:30:15,040 --> 02:30:17,120 overtime fee so that if you continue to 3578 02:30:17,120 --> 02:30:18,720 stay there, you start getting charged 3579 02:30:18,720 --> 02:30:20,880 more money. So, that can help turnover 3580 02:30:20,880 --> 02:30:23,760 continue so people move along. Um, and 3581 02:30:23,760 --> 02:30:26,800 then to speak to restaurants, fast food 3582 02:30:26,800 --> 02:30:29,359 chains was very high on the list after 3583 02:30:29,359 --> 02:30:31,840 grocery stores. People really like to go 3584 02:30:31,840 --> 02:30:34,240 to fast food places to charge and then 3585 02:30:34,240 --> 02:30:38,479 eat. Um, and that's another reason why I 3586 02:30:38,479 --> 02:30:40,800 think potentially encouraging level 3587 02:30:40,800 --> 02:30:43,280 three chargers in like downtown general 3588 02:30:43,280 --> 02:30:45,040 commercial could be great because it 3589 02:30:45,040 --> 02:30:47,359 would have a high turnover and would 3590 02:30:47,359 --> 02:30:50,080 bring more customers to those downtown 3591 02:30:50,080 --> 02:30:55,990 areas. 3592 02:30:56,000 --> 02:30:58,720 » Um, I'm not an EV expert at this point. 3593 02:30:58,720 --> 02:31:01,760 Um, I I remember that not all cars could 3594 02:31:01,760 --> 02:31:03,920 use the level three originally. Are more 3595 02:31:03,920 --> 02:31:07,439 cars able to um so that the viable the 3596 02:31:07,439 --> 02:31:11,439 viability of trading one for two L2s is worth it? 3597 02:31:11,439 --> 02:31:13,120 >> Yeah, that's a really great question 3598 02:31:13,120 --> 02:31:14,800 actually and something that I've been 3599 02:31:14,800 --> 02:31:17,920 considering. I think looking at that 3600 02:31:17,920 --> 02:31:20,399 sort of exponential growth of battery 3601 02:31:20,399 --> 02:31:22,319 electric vehicles. Those are the ones 3602 02:31:22,319 --> 02:31:24,960 that can use L3 chargers, the faster 3603 02:31:24,960 --> 02:31:27,359 chargers. And then there actually some 3604 02:31:27,359 --> 02:31:30,720 newer uh technology coming out now where 3605 02:31:30,720 --> 02:31:32,640 you can have a hybrid that can use a 3606 02:31:32,640 --> 02:31:34,880 fast charger. They're more rare and 3607 02:31:34,880 --> 02:31:36,640 they're definitely still very expensive, 3608 02:31:36,640 --> 02:31:38,880 but over time I imagine they'll they'll 3609 02:31:38,880 --> 02:31:42,479 get cheaper. So, uh, in Washington state 3610 02:31:42,479 --> 02:31:45,120 and city of both, there are more and 3611 02:31:45,120 --> 02:31:47,200 more cars that can use level three 3612 02:31:47,200 --> 02:31:49,760 chargers, but that being said, we still 3613 02:31:49,760 --> 02:31:51,280 need to have plenty of level two 3614 02:31:51,280 --> 02:31:52,880 chargers because there are plenty of 3615 02:31:52,880 --> 02:31:55,840 people that have uh cars that only work 3616 02:31:55,840 --> 02:31:57,600 with those types of chargers. So, we 3617 02:31:57,600 --> 02:31:59,120 want to make sure we don't leave them 3618 02:31:59,120 --> 02:32:01,920 behind. 3619 02:32:01,920 --> 02:32:04,399 >> Commissioner Lver, did you 3620 02:32:04,399 --> 02:32:07,040 >> uh Yes, I echo everything that I just 3621 02:32:07,040 --> 02:32:09,120 heard. I really like it. I have a 3622 02:32:09,120 --> 02:32:12,479 question about the scenario of not 3623 02:32:12,479 --> 02:32:14,640 making these changes with the demand 3624 02:32:14,640 --> 02:32:18,000 growing. Is it that then the market will 3625 02:32:18,000 --> 02:32:20,479 crash because we just don't have enough 3626 02:32:20,479 --> 02:32:24,080 places to plug it or like how 3627 02:32:24,080 --> 02:32:26,800 dark it looks if we don't do this 3628 02:32:26,800 --> 02:32:28,160 actually because it's almost like okay 3629 02:32:28,160 --> 02:32:29,920 it sounds like we have to do it and we 3630 02:32:29,920 --> 02:32:33,600 have to do it now and there's just no 3631 02:32:33,600 --> 02:32:35,200 other 3632 02:32:35,200 --> 02:32:39,280 path right and yes to do it but 3633 02:32:39,280 --> 02:32:41,359 >> yeah I mean that's a great question I 3634 02:32:41,359 --> 02:32:43,439 haven't done a whole lot of research 3635 02:32:43,439 --> 02:32:48,720 into dystopian options, but um I think 3636 02:32:48,720 --> 02:32:50,800 that likely it would just mean less 3637 02:32:50,800 --> 02:32:52,960 people want to be here in both. They 3638 02:32:52,960 --> 02:32:54,479 aren't going to want to come here as 3639 02:32:54,479 --> 02:32:56,720 much. And I think that's not what we 3640 02:32:56,720 --> 02:32:59,439 want. Um people are going to be less 3641 02:32:59,439 --> 02:33:01,920 likely to live here. I think with the 3642 02:33:01,920 --> 02:33:03,920 way that the housing market, the housing 3643 02:33:03,920 --> 02:33:06,000 market is going and the way that gas 3644 02:33:06,000 --> 02:33:07,600 prices are going, there's going to be a 3645 02:33:07,600 --> 02:33:09,840 huge amount of people that are living in 3646 02:33:09,840 --> 02:33:12,080 multifamily housing who own electric 3647 02:33:12,080 --> 02:33:13,920 vehicles. And so if City of Buffalo 3648 02:33:13,920 --> 02:33:15,439 doesn't have that, they're just not 3649 02:33:15,439 --> 02:33:17,520 going to live here because other places 3650 02:33:17,520 --> 02:33:20,960 nearby are are doing this. Yeah. 3651 02:33:20,960 --> 02:33:24,240 >> And and just to to add to that, the the 3652 02:33:24,240 --> 02:33:26,960 growth projections that we we know that 3653 02:33:26,960 --> 02:33:29,680 we talked about around this table uh and 3654 02:33:29,680 --> 02:33:32,399 the work that was completed in 2024, we 3655 02:33:32,399 --> 02:33:35,200 anticipate that growth of multifamily 3656 02:33:35,200 --> 02:33:36,720 and then all of the things that will go 3657 02:33:36,720 --> 02:33:40,080 with it, mixeduse, commercial, uh to be 3658 02:33:40,080 --> 02:33:42,560 coming along as well. So, we'd miss out 3659 02:33:42,560 --> 02:33:49,120 on on that opportunity if we delay this uh this idea at least and kind of 3660 02:33:49,120 --> 02:33:52,720 figure it out and identify what the best 3661 02:33:52,720 --> 02:33:56,399 uh threshold is. 3662 02:33:56,399 --> 02:33:59,600 >> Yeah. I would also just add that 3663 02:33:59,600 --> 02:34:01,840 likely if we don't do this now, people 3664 02:34:01,840 --> 02:34:03,680 are going to try to do it later and 3665 02:34:03,680 --> 02:34:05,680 that's when the retrofit costs come in 3666 02:34:05,680 --> 02:34:08,880 and the complicated utility plans and 3667 02:34:08,880 --> 02:34:10,880 difficult permitting scenarios. So 3668 02:34:10,880 --> 02:34:12,080 that's kind of why we're trying to think 3669 02:34:12,080 --> 02:34:14,000 about it early. 3670 02:34:14,000 --> 02:34:16,800 >> Um just one thing that I do want to um 3671 02:34:16,800 --> 02:34:19,359 echo on the affordability piece. I 3672 02:34:19,359 --> 02:34:20,640 actually do believe that we shouldn't 3673 02:34:20,640 --> 02:34:22,560 have the exception precisely for that 3674 02:34:22,560 --> 02:34:24,160 because then it will be something that 3675 02:34:24,160 --> 02:34:27,600 may create even more of a disadvantage. 3676 02:34:27,600 --> 02:34:30,319 So um yeah, that's my other strong 3677 02:34:30,319 --> 02:34:33,040 comment. And and the good thing about 3678 02:34:33,040 --> 02:34:34,960 that because we got rid of parking 3679 02:34:34,960 --> 02:34:36,479 minimums, 3680 02:34:36,479 --> 02:34:40,160 it's it's the park the percentage of EV 3681 02:34:40,160 --> 02:34:42,399 stalls is based on the the number of 3682 02:34:42,399 --> 02:34:46,640 stalls proposed. So we don't identify 3683 02:34:46,640 --> 02:34:48,800 market rate versus affordable have to 3684 02:34:48,800 --> 02:34:51,520 provide X number of stalls for those 3685 02:34:51,520 --> 02:34:54,560 different uses. So um some cities do 3686 02:34:54,560 --> 02:34:56,640 have that and they do need to they are 3687 02:34:56,640 --> 02:34:58,240 grappling with what to do. We're just 3688 02:34:58,240 --> 02:35:00,000 saying 3689 02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:02,720 development decides how many parking 3690 02:35:02,720 --> 02:35:05,760 stalls total they want to construct and 3691 02:35:05,760 --> 02:35:07,439 then these percentages would just look 3692 02:35:07,439 --> 02:35:09,840 at okay you you put in 50 stalls for 3693 02:35:09,840 --> 02:35:12,160 however many units you wanted here's the 3694 02:35:12,160 --> 02:35:15,040 percentage that you need to follow. So 3695 02:35:15,040 --> 02:35:17,200 it wouldn't it wouldn't have an impact 3696 02:35:17,200 --> 02:35:25,510 without doing anything. 3697 02:35:25,520 --> 02:35:28,720 Okay, seeing no further questions or 3698 02:35:28,720 --> 02:35:31,760 comments from commissioners. 3699 02:35:31,760 --> 02:35:35,760 Uh yeah, did you get enough feedback 3700 02:35:35,760 --> 02:35:40,950 from us? 3701 02:35:40,960 --> 02:35:42,720 » Yeah, I think that's a really good 3702 02:35:42,720 --> 02:35:45,520 start. I appreciate your comments on 3703 02:35:45,520 --> 02:35:47,920 affordable housing. That feels clear. We 3704 02:35:47,920 --> 02:35:50,399 can move forward that way. Discuss with 3705 02:35:50,399 --> 02:35:53,920 my team. Um 3706 02:35:53,920 --> 02:35:55,439 yeah, I really appreciate your time 3707 02:35:55,439 --> 02:35:57,600 tonight. I think that's great. 3708 02:35:57,600 --> 02:35:59,120 >> Well, thank you for your very 3709 02:35:59,120 --> 02:36:01,200 wellressearched presentation for us 3710 02:36:01,200 --> 02:36:04,160 today. Um it's an exciting avenue for us 3711 02:36:04,160 --> 02:36:07,840 to begin considering um the green 3712 02:36:07,840 --> 02:36:09,600 building codes as some of the 3713 02:36:09,600 --> 02:36:11,600 commissioners. I think you can see some 3714 02:36:11,600 --> 02:36:13,680 interest there. So, thank you. Thank you 3715 02:36:13,680 --> 02:36:15,040 for that presentation. 3716 02:36:15,040 --> 02:36:17,040 >> Great information. 3717 02:36:17,040 --> 02:36:19,439 >> Yeah, 3718 02:36:19,439 --> 02:36:21,200 >> it was great. We look forward to 3719 02:36:21,200 --> 02:36:24,640 discussing it further in the future. 3720 02:36:24,640 --> 02:36:26,880 >> Thank you. Um the final study session 3721 02:36:26,880 --> 02:36:28,960 tonight is an update on the tree code 3722 02:36:28,960 --> 02:36:31,280 from senior planner Cameron Coleman. 3723 02:36:31,280 --> 02:36:33,520 >> Finally, you guys get to go. 3724 02:36:33,520 --> 02:36:36,080 >> And as I want to take the opportunity as 3725 02:36:36,080 --> 02:36:37,600 they as they take their seats, you all 3726 02:36:37,600 --> 02:36:39,120 know Cameron, I want to introduce 3727 02:36:39,120 --> 02:36:41,760 Gabriella Gozarian who is our new urban 3728 02:36:41,760 --> 02:36:44,399 forester, both's first urban forester. 3729 02:36:44,399 --> 02:36:47,359 Very excited to have her join the team. 3730 02:36:47,359 --> 02:36:49,359 uh as they as they kick off the intro, 3731 02:36:49,359 --> 02:36:50,800 I'm gonna I'm gonna pull up the slides 3732 02:36:50,800 --> 02:38:09,670 and drive from from over here. So 3733 02:38:09,680 --> 02:38:12,399 Um, while Christian is uh finishing 3734 02:38:12,399 --> 02:38:14,720 getting the slides pulled up, I can give 3735 02:38:14,720 --> 02:38:19,200 just a brief intro um for this item. Um, 3736 02:38:19,200 --> 02:38:20,880 I know we're getting late here, so this 3737 02:38:20,880 --> 02:38:23,200 will be a pretty brief update. Um, 3738 02:38:23,200 --> 02:38:25,600 mostly just want to provide you all with 3739 02:38:25,600 --> 02:38:27,439 an update on the engagement work 3740 02:38:27,439 --> 02:38:29,920 associated with the tree code updates 3741 02:38:29,920 --> 02:38:33,359 and how we'll be taking that feedback um 3742 02:38:33,359 --> 02:38:36,560 to inform the draft code that we'll be 3743 02:38:36,560 --> 02:38:39,359 working on over the August recess and 3744 02:38:39,359 --> 02:38:42,240 then bringing back to you all uh later 3745 02:38:42,240 --> 02:38:46,469 this year. 3746 02:38:46,479 --> 02:38:50,950 And next slide. 3747 02:38:50,960 --> 02:38:54,000 [snorts and laughter] 3748 02:38:54,000 --> 02:38:56,560 Um okay. So just in terms of status 3749 02:38:56,560 --> 02:38:59,200 update um as I mentioned we have 3750 02:38:59,200 --> 02:39:02,160 finished the first round of uh 3751 02:39:02,160 --> 02:39:05,680 engagement which involved a uh internal 3752 02:39:05,680 --> 02:39:08,160 workshop with city staff and subject 3753 02:39:08,160 --> 02:39:09,840 matter experts across various 3754 02:39:09,840 --> 02:39:13,760 departments. Uh we also hosted um a 3755 02:39:13,760 --> 02:39:16,560 series of focus group meetings uh with 3756 02:39:16,560 --> 02:39:19,840 members of the public um and we'll be 3757 02:39:19,840 --> 02:39:21,600 utilizing that information to help 3758 02:39:21,600 --> 02:39:26,800 inform um the initial uh code drafting. 3759 02:39:26,800 --> 02:39:29,680 Next slide please. 3760 02:39:29,680 --> 02:39:32,479 Um so our internal workshop we held in 3761 02:39:32,479 --> 02:39:35,439 May. Um we had about 25 participants in 3762 02:39:35,439 --> 02:39:38,319 total um covering staff from community 3763 02:39:38,319 --> 02:39:40,479 development, public works, parks and 3764 02:39:40,479 --> 02:39:42,880 recreation, uh fire and emergency 3765 02:39:42,880 --> 02:39:44,640 management. 3766 02:39:44,640 --> 02:39:46,479 Next slide. 3767 02:39:46,479 --> 02:39:49,040 And then for the uh focus group 3768 02:39:49,040 --> 02:39:52,000 meetings, we held two sessions in June. 3769 02:39:52,000 --> 02:39:54,319 Uh an afternoon session and an evening 3770 02:39:54,319 --> 02:39:56,240 one to accommodate um different 3771 02:39:56,240 --> 02:40:00,800 schedules. And um in order to recruit 3772 02:40:00,800 --> 02:40:03,439 participants for these focus groups, um 3773 02:40:03,439 --> 02:40:07,520 we uh did promotion in April and May uh 3774 02:40:07,520 --> 02:40:09,520 leading up to those through our various 3775 02:40:09,520 --> 02:40:13,439 city channels and had signups on through 3776 02:40:13,439 --> 02:40:15,600 engage both for that. and we ended up 3777 02:40:15,600 --> 02:40:19,200 having 50 signups in total. Not all of 3778 02:40:19,200 --> 02:40:21,600 those uh ended up showing up at our 3779 02:40:21,600 --> 02:40:24,000 first focus groups, but we had 21 3780 02:40:24,000 --> 02:40:26,399 participants in total across the two 3781 02:40:26,399 --> 02:40:30,240 sessions. Um and we do have uh those 50 3782 02:40:30,240 --> 02:40:32,560 signups contacts that we'll be keeping 3783 02:40:32,560 --> 02:40:34,800 in touch with throughout this process. 3784 02:40:34,800 --> 02:40:37,439 And so once we have draft code um 3785 02:40:37,439 --> 02:40:39,760 developed, we'll be reaching out to them 3786 02:40:39,760 --> 02:40:42,560 to schedule that second round of focus 3787 02:40:42,560 --> 02:40:47,190 group with all of those participants. 3788 02:40:47,200 --> 02:40:49,359 Um so I wanted to just kind of run 3789 02:40:49,359 --> 02:40:53,040 through how we went about these uh 3790 02:40:53,040 --> 02:40:56,240 workshops and focus groups. Um so uh 3791 02:40:56,240 --> 02:40:58,560 what we did was kind of create a 3792 02:40:58,560 --> 02:41:01,439 hypothetical development scenario that 3793 02:41:01,439 --> 02:41:04,640 is fairly uh typical of what we are 3794 02:41:04,640 --> 02:41:08,479 seeing here in both. Um, and then had 3795 02:41:08,479 --> 02:41:11,760 participants kind of review uh a 3796 02:41:11,760 --> 02:41:15,760 proposed tree retention and uh site plan 3797 02:41:15,760 --> 02:41:19,120 for a proposed development uh using our 3798 02:41:19,120 --> 02:41:22,000 existing code and seeing how that plays 3799 02:41:22,000 --> 02:41:24,560 out in this particular scenario to help 3800 02:41:24,560 --> 02:41:27,680 identify where um things are working 3801 02:41:27,680 --> 02:41:30,080 well, where there are existing 3802 02:41:30,080 --> 02:41:32,399 challenges and how we could improve our 3803 02:41:32,399 --> 02:41:36,399 existing code. So for the uh development 3804 02:41:36,399 --> 02:41:39,200 exercise, the example we used was a 3805 02:41:39,200 --> 02:41:42,560 single family lot about an acre in size 3806 02:41:42,560 --> 02:41:45,359 um that is proposing to be redeveloped 3807 02:41:45,359 --> 02:41:48,960 for town homes. Um this particular 3808 02:41:48,960 --> 02:41:53,600 example could accommodate up to uh 25 3809 02:41:53,600 --> 02:41:56,399 units per acre. That would be their max 3810 02:41:56,399 --> 02:41:58,960 density limit and they're proposing 20 3811 02:41:58,960 --> 02:42:02,880 town homes. So slightly below that. Um 3812 02:42:02,880 --> 02:42:06,399 and then up on your screen here is the 3813 02:42:06,399 --> 02:42:09,200 uh hypothetical tree retention plan. So 3814 02:42:09,200 --> 02:42:11,439 this is typically what we would see 3815 02:42:11,439 --> 02:42:14,800 during the review process where um as 3816 02:42:14,800 --> 02:42:16,880 part of the plan set they're identifying 3817 02:42:16,880 --> 02:42:19,760 existing trees on site, those that are 3818 02:42:19,760 --> 02:42:23,840 proposed to be uh retained on site um 3819 02:42:23,840 --> 02:42:25,520 and those that would be removed to 3820 02:42:25,520 --> 02:42:28,640 accommodate uh the new development. 3821 02:42:28,640 --> 02:42:33,280 Um we shared with participants our 3822 02:42:33,280 --> 02:42:35,840 existing code requirements, definitions 3823 02:42:35,840 --> 02:42:38,560 for significant trees and the percentage 3824 02:42:38,560 --> 02:42:40,080 requirements. 3825 02:42:40,080 --> 02:42:43,359 Um and then asked them to kind of work 3826 02:42:43,359 --> 02:42:45,439 through the table in the bottom right 3827 02:42:45,439 --> 02:42:48,880 looking at number of trees retained. Uh 3828 02:42:48,880 --> 02:42:52,080 our particular code looks at the total 3829 02:42:52,080 --> 02:42:55,520 DBH of the site. So tallying up all of 3830 02:42:55,520 --> 02:42:58,399 the trees and their sizes. 3831 02:42:58,399 --> 02:43:01,600 um it's 20% of that that has to be 3832 02:43:01,600 --> 02:43:03,760 retained. Um so you'll see in this 3833 02:43:03,760 --> 02:43:06,080 example they did meet that requirement 3834 02:43:06,080 --> 02:43:10,479 with 22% uh that third column there of 3835 02:43:10,479 --> 02:43:14,880 uh uh total DBH retained on site. And 3836 02:43:14,880 --> 02:43:17,439 then if you go to the next slide um 3837 02:43:17,439 --> 02:43:20,479 it'll show kind of how that proposed 3838 02:43:20,479 --> 02:43:24,479 layout would potentially work out. Um, 3839 02:43:24,479 --> 02:43:26,960 and again, this is hypothetical and made 3840 02:43:26,960 --> 02:43:29,920 in Canva and not an engineered design. 3841 02:43:29,920 --> 02:43:33,920 So, some of this um is not exactly what 3842 02:43:33,920 --> 02:43:36,080 we would see in a typical plan set, but 3843 02:43:36,080 --> 02:43:38,240 at least gives people kind of an rough 3844 02:43:38,240 --> 02:43:42,399 idea of uh the types of things that 3845 02:43:42,399 --> 02:43:45,600 might be going through an engineer or 3846 02:43:45,600 --> 02:43:48,640 architect's mind as they are working on 3847 02:43:48,640 --> 02:43:51,760 um how they could potentially lay out a 3848 02:43:51,760 --> 02:43:56,160 site. while meeting these requirements. 3849 02:43:56,160 --> 02:43:57,760 Um, 3850 02:43:57,760 --> 02:44:00,479 couple other things uh that we talked 3851 02:44:00,479 --> 02:44:03,920 about were our existing landscaping 3852 02:44:03,920 --> 02:44:07,439 requirements. And so, uh, we do have, 3853 02:44:07,439 --> 02:44:10,080 uh, buffer requirements, particularly 3854 02:44:10,080 --> 02:44:13,040 for multif family developments, uh, when 3855 02:44:13,040 --> 02:44:16,479 adjacent to certain zones. And so um 3856 02:44:16,479 --> 02:44:19,120 that also impacts the number of 3857 02:44:19,120 --> 02:44:22,240 potential trees that get planted on site 3858 02:44:22,240 --> 02:44:24,720 as well. 3859 02:44:24,720 --> 02:44:27,840 Next slide. 3860 02:44:27,840 --> 02:44:32,000 Um so uh as part of the exercise I also 3861 02:44:32,000 --> 02:44:34,640 include the section of our code uh that 3862 02:44:34,640 --> 02:44:39,359 talks about what criteria um should be 3863 02:44:39,359 --> 02:44:41,840 prioritized as part of that tree 3864 02:44:41,840 --> 02:44:44,640 retention process. So, how do we decide 3865 02:44:44,640 --> 02:44:47,200 which trees to keep other than just, you 3866 02:44:47,200 --> 02:44:49,600 know, what uh we can accommodate as part 3867 02:44:49,600 --> 02:44:51,760 of the proposed development? And so, 3868 02:44:51,760 --> 02:44:54,080 currently that includes things like uh 3869 02:44:54,080 --> 02:44:57,040 continuous overstory, uh trees located 3870 02:44:57,040 --> 02:44:58,880 next to streams and other critical 3871 02:44:58,880 --> 02:45:02,000 areas, uh trees that maintain or enhance 3872 02:45:02,000 --> 02:45:05,040 the feathered edge or ridgetops, 3873 02:45:05,040 --> 02:45:07,760 um trees that are in good health and 3874 02:45:07,760 --> 02:45:11,520 have the highest likelihood of survival. 3875 02:45:11,520 --> 02:45:13,600 um those that are incorporated as part 3876 02:45:13,600 --> 02:45:16,800 of low impact development. Uh and then 3877 02:45:16,800 --> 02:45:18,880 finally trees located uh within 3878 02:45:18,880 --> 02:45:23,359 designated open spaces. Um and so if you 3879 02:45:23,359 --> 02:45:27,200 could go back two slides 3880 02:45:27,200 --> 02:45:31,520 um you will see in this particular uh 3881 02:45:31,520 --> 02:45:35,520 scenario that although they met the 20% 3882 02:45:35,520 --> 02:45:38,160 retention requirement they did not 3883 02:45:38,160 --> 02:45:42,319 follow our criteria for the selection of 3884 02:45:42,319 --> 02:45:45,359 those trees particularly areas adjacent 3885 02:45:45,359 --> 02:45:48,640 to uh critical areas that could provide 3886 02:45:48,640 --> 02:45:51,680 additional ecological benefit. it um 3887 02:45:51,680 --> 02:45:53,840 rather than some of the more isolated 3888 02:45:53,840 --> 02:45:56,640 trees uh on the northern or eastern 3889 02:45:56,640 --> 02:46:00,640 sides of the property. Um and then if 3890 02:46:00,640 --> 02:46:04,319 you go back forward uh two or three 3891 02:46:04,319 --> 02:46:06,080 slides 3892 02:46:06,080 --> 02:46:09,760 um so uh we asked participants kind of 3893 02:46:09,760 --> 02:46:13,200 following the exercise to uh identify 3894 02:46:13,200 --> 02:46:15,200 what areas of the code they felt were 3895 02:46:15,200 --> 02:46:19,600 working well. um what challenges uh are 3896 02:46:19,600 --> 02:46:22,000 present and what they think should 3897 02:46:22,000 --> 02:46:24,560 change. And then on the next couple 3898 02:46:24,560 --> 02:46:26,800 slides, I'll just run through what kind 3899 02:46:26,800 --> 02:46:29,200 of common things we heard, which I think 3900 02:46:29,200 --> 02:46:32,080 a lot of these do kind of reflect some 3901 02:46:32,080 --> 02:46:34,080 of the topics that came up during our 3902 02:46:34,080 --> 02:46:36,960 prior discussion a few months ago. So in 3903 02:46:36,960 --> 02:46:39,040 terms of what's working well, um people 3904 02:46:39,040 --> 02:46:41,520 really like the our critical area 3905 02:46:41,520 --> 02:46:44,800 protections and that those ensure that 3906 02:46:44,800 --> 02:46:46,640 trees located in those areas are 3907 02:46:46,640 --> 02:46:50,720 retained. Um they like that we have at 3908 02:46:50,720 --> 02:46:53,680 least a minimum currently that protects 3909 02:46:53,680 --> 02:46:56,160 some trees on site and it does create a 3910 02:46:56,160 --> 02:46:58,399 process for the identification and 3911 02:46:58,399 --> 02:47:03,600 protection of significant trees. Um they 3912 02:47:03,600 --> 02:47:06,080 like existing open space requirements, 3913 02:47:06,080 --> 02:47:07,760 impervious surface limits and 3914 02:47:07,760 --> 02:47:09,840 landscaping requirements which all kind 3915 02:47:09,840 --> 02:47:12,560 of work together uh in addition to our 3916 02:47:12,560 --> 02:47:15,680 tree retention requirements to increase 3917 02:47:15,680 --> 02:47:18,000 the amount of green space and and trees 3918 02:47:18,000 --> 02:47:22,479 on site. Next slide. 3919 02:47:22,479 --> 02:47:25,040 um in terms of uh things that they felt 3920 02:47:25,040 --> 02:47:27,760 were not working. Uh retention 3921 02:47:27,760 --> 02:47:30,720 priorities criteria particularly in this 3922 02:47:30,720 --> 02:47:33,520 example. Um 3923 02:47:33,520 --> 02:47:36,640 and so that may be one of the areas of 3924 02:47:36,640 --> 02:47:39,200 the code that we could strengthen. Um 3925 02:47:39,200 --> 02:47:42,479 exemption thresholds. Currently our code 3926 02:47:42,479 --> 02:47:44,960 exempts uh developments that are less 3927 02:47:44,960 --> 02:47:48,160 than 20,000 square feet. And so just as 3928 02:47:48,160 --> 02:47:51,040 we see development trends and lots 3929 02:47:51,040 --> 02:47:54,399 getting smaller um and more dense, that 3930 02:47:54,399 --> 02:47:56,720 might be something worth looking into 3931 02:47:56,720 --> 02:48:00,080 and refining that. Um lack of 3932 02:48:00,080 --> 02:48:02,800 flexibility. Um in this particular 3933 02:48:02,800 --> 02:48:05,439 example, uh there was uh frontage 3934 02:48:05,439 --> 02:48:07,359 improvements and rightaway dedication 3935 02:48:07,359 --> 02:48:11,279 with existing trees there. And so some 3936 02:48:11,279 --> 02:48:14,080 flexibility in terms of the sidewalk uh 3937 02:48:14,080 --> 02:48:15,760 layout or design could have helped 3938 02:48:15,760 --> 02:48:18,240 retain some of those additional trees. 3939 02:48:18,240 --> 02:48:20,880 Potentially flexing uh some of the 3940 02:48:20,880 --> 02:48:23,279 setback or landscaping requirements on 3941 02:48:23,279 --> 02:48:25,840 the edges of the property uh could have 3942 02:48:25,840 --> 02:48:28,240 shifted some of the buildings and also 3943 02:48:28,240 --> 02:48:32,399 um created additional benefits there. Um 3944 02:48:32,399 --> 02:48:35,200 protection during construction and then 3945 02:48:35,200 --> 02:48:38,160 long-term maintenance. Uh one of the 3946 02:48:38,160 --> 02:48:40,479 things discussed um with the group was 3947 02:48:40,479 --> 02:48:43,760 just what happens when uh after the 3948 02:48:43,760 --> 02:48:45,439 development's complete and that turns 3949 02:48:45,439 --> 02:48:48,560 over to individual homeowners. Um you 3950 02:48:48,560 --> 02:48:50,479 know after a certain period of time we 3951 02:48:50,479 --> 02:48:53,120 get individual requests to come in uh 3952 02:48:53,120 --> 02:48:55,120 and remove trees. So we need a clear 3953 02:48:55,120 --> 02:48:58,399 process for that as we move forward. 3954 02:48:58,399 --> 02:49:00,800 Next slide. 3955 02:49:00,800 --> 02:49:02,800 So in response to that, what should 3956 02:49:02,800 --> 02:49:05,520 change? Uh updating uh retention 3957 02:49:05,520 --> 02:49:08,880 criteria to prioritize viable native 3958 02:49:08,880 --> 02:49:10,880 contiguous canopy that provides the most 3959 02:49:10,880 --> 02:49:14,080 ecological value. Revising our exemption 3960 02:49:14,080 --> 02:49:16,640 thresholds uh to reflect recent 3961 02:49:16,640 --> 02:49:19,279 development patterns. Establishing or 3962 02:49:19,279 --> 02:49:21,840 providing more flexibility uh in terms 3963 02:49:21,840 --> 02:49:25,040 of other design standards where it would 3964 02:49:25,040 --> 02:49:28,080 result in additional trees preserved. 3965 02:49:28,080 --> 02:49:30,479 um strengthening our existing 3966 02:49:30,479 --> 02:49:32,319 construction protections and then 3967 02:49:32,319 --> 02:49:34,000 clarifying a long-term maintenance 3968 02:49:34,000 --> 02:49:37,359 requirements and um a permit process for 3969 02:49:37,359 --> 02:49:39,680 tree removals not associated with new 3970 02:49:39,680 --> 02:49:43,750 development. 3971 02:49:43,760 --> 02:49:46,399 Um, and then just in terms of next 3972 02:49:46,399 --> 02:49:48,720 steps, as I mentioned, um, we'll be 3973 02:49:48,720 --> 02:49:51,120 working taking this feedback, working on 3974 02:49:51,120 --> 02:49:54,080 an initial draft code to bring back to 3975 02:49:54,080 --> 02:49:58,960 you all, um, later, uh, in the fall. And 3976 02:49:58,960 --> 02:50:01,600 we'll also be following up with our 3977 02:50:01,600 --> 02:50:04,800 focus group participants and, uh, city 3978 02:50:04,800 --> 02:50:07,520 staff uh, with that draft as well to get 3979 02:50:07,520 --> 02:50:11,830 their feedback on it. 3980 02:50:11,840 --> 02:50:15,279 And I think that is all I had. Um so 3981 02:50:15,279 --> 02:50:17,840 with that I will uh entertain any 3982 02:50:17,840 --> 02:50:24,309 questions that you all have. 3983 02:50:24,319 --> 02:50:26,319 » Commissioner Kunan. 3984 02:50:26,319 --> 02:50:29,120 >> So uh I really like your what should 3985 02:50:29,120 --> 02:50:31,680 change slide. I think you hit a number 3986 02:50:31,680 --> 02:50:33,920 of really important points. So want to 3987 02:50:33,920 --> 02:50:36,399 thank you for that and recognize that. 3988 02:50:36,399 --> 02:50:39,279 uh flexibility is also you know is is a 3989 02:50:39,279 --> 02:50:41,600 tricky thing. It can be used and it can 3990 02:50:41,600 --> 02:50:45,200 be abused but in the example you gave I 3991 02:50:45,200 --> 02:50:47,840 could see a lot of value in granting 3992 02:50:47,840 --> 02:50:50,399 flexibility for preserving those trees 3993 02:50:50,399 --> 02:50:52,640 close to that buffer and letting some of 3994 02:50:52,640 --> 02:50:54,319 the other ones go. You know from 3995 02:50:54,319 --> 02:50:56,560 ecological standpoint having a more 3996 02:50:56,560 --> 02:50:58,960 concentrated growth is much better than 3997 02:50:58,960 --> 02:51:00,720 a tree here a tree there and you know 3998 02:51:00,720 --> 02:51:04,479 one over there. So properly applied 3999 02:51:04,479 --> 02:51:06,800 flexibility I think would be really 4000 02:51:06,800 --> 02:51:16,070 useful to get in there. So thank you 4001 02:51:16,080 --> 02:51:17,120 » Commissioner Lever. 4002 02:51:17,120 --> 02:51:18,720 >> Um thank you so much. This was 4003 02:51:18,720 --> 02:51:22,000 wonderful. I have a question around the 4004 02:51:22,000 --> 02:51:24,160 implementation of the plan. So it's 4005 02:51:24,160 --> 02:51:26,319 wonderful to have you here now but what 4006 02:51:26,319 --> 02:51:28,399 are some of the capacity needs that you 4007 02:51:28,399 --> 02:51:30,479 foresee with the different requirements 4008 02:51:30,479 --> 02:51:33,680 because um as the enforcement component 4009 02:51:33,680 --> 02:51:36,479 will probably add a lot of uh work for 4010 02:51:36,479 --> 02:51:38,560 you like what does that implementation 4011 02:51:38,560 --> 02:51:41,680 look like in terms of the phases of like 4012 02:51:41,680 --> 02:51:44,399 year one when because this this is a lot 4013 02:51:44,399 --> 02:51:46,479 and this is wonderful and I and I think 4014 02:51:46,479 --> 02:51:48,720 it's it's great but I wonder how how 4015 02:51:48,720 --> 02:51:52,399 ready the city is to enforce it and 4016 02:51:52,399 --> 02:51:55,840 really be able to implement. 4017 02:51:55,840 --> 02:51:57,600 >> Do you want to take that one, Gabriella? 4018 02:51:57,600 --> 02:52:01,279 So, hiring Gabriella has vastly 4019 02:52:01,279 --> 02:52:06,160 increased our uh capacity uh to start uh 4020 02:52:06,160 --> 02:52:08,479 building and fleshing out what an urban 4021 02:52:08,479 --> 02:52:11,840 forestry program really looks like. Um, 4022 02:52:11,840 --> 02:52:14,960 but in addition, we'll be partnering 4023 02:52:14,960 --> 02:52:18,399 with staff in public works and parks as 4024 02:52:18,399 --> 02:52:22,640 well um to really, you know, have a 4025 02:52:22,640 --> 02:52:25,040 comprehensive program and and help 4026 02:52:25,040 --> 02:52:27,760 implement this stuff. So, if anything to 4027 02:52:27,760 --> 02:52:30,080 add? 4028 02:52:30,080 --> 02:52:31,840 >> Yes, there's also going to be an element 4029 02:52:31,840 --> 02:52:34,479 of using code compliance and uh 4030 02:52:34,479 --> 02:52:37,120 construction inspectors as well as I 4031 02:52:37,120 --> 02:52:39,439 hope to have a very physical presence on 4032 02:52:39,439 --> 02:52:41,120 the ground. I have a lot of experience 4033 02:52:41,120 --> 02:52:44,319 in operations, so I will be overseeing a 4034 02:52:44,319 --> 02:52:49,990 lot of the sites myself. 4035 02:52:50,000 --> 02:52:51,120 » Commissioner Westerbeck. 4036 02:52:51,120 --> 02:52:52,800 >> Hey, Commissioner Westb. I have 4037 02:52:52,800 --> 02:52:54,399 complicated feelings around trees 4038 02:52:54,399 --> 02:52:56,800 because um of course I'm building stuff 4039 02:52:56,800 --> 02:52:59,040 and I have clients who sometimes want to 4040 02:52:59,040 --> 02:53:00,560 chop down more trees than I personally 4041 02:53:00,560 --> 02:53:05,279 do. Um yeah. Um 4042 02:53:05,279 --> 02:53:07,840 sometimes I so I for example I want to 4043 02:53:07,840 --> 02:53:10,240 uh agree with Commissioner Kieran on the 4044 02:53:10,240 --> 02:53:13,279 um the ecological you know function 4045 02:53:13,279 --> 02:53:16,399 being primary uh when when you u can 4046 02:53:16,399 --> 02:53:18,160 prioritize that and let some other trees 4047 02:53:18,160 --> 02:53:22,080 go that aren't you know um as important. 4048 02:53:22,080 --> 02:53:25,200 I've got um e even my in my early 4049 02:53:25,200 --> 02:53:29,359 architectural career, I had a um I 4050 02:53:29,359 --> 02:53:31,120 worked for a firm where they would 4051 02:53:31,120 --> 02:53:33,439 identify a significant tree and build a 4052 02:53:33,439 --> 02:53:34,880 project around it. There's actually a 4053 02:53:34,880 --> 02:53:38,080 really cool project we did in Seattle, years ago, um that was built 4054 02:53:38,080 --> 02:53:40,560 around this huge fur tree. So, I try and 4055 02:53:40,560 --> 02:53:42,880 think about that in my work. And so that 4056 02:53:42,880 --> 02:53:44,640 flexibility to me is really important 4057 02:53:44,640 --> 02:53:47,920 because um I've even got a current one 4058 02:53:47,920 --> 02:53:50,479 right now and I and and a big company's 4059 02:53:50,479 --> 02:53:53,279 gonna probably buy the the the lot and 4060 02:53:53,279 --> 02:53:54,960 take over. There's this massive tree 4061 02:53:54,960 --> 02:53:56,240 that the current seller is called 4062 02:53:56,240 --> 02:53:58,240 grandfather tree. And I've been trying 4063 02:53:58,240 --> 02:54:01,120 my damnedest to excuse my language, but 4064 02:54:01,120 --> 02:54:03,359 to make sure that they know that tree is 4065 02:54:03,359 --> 02:54:04,960 off limits, but I can't, you know, once 4066 02:54:04,960 --> 02:54:06,800 they once the propertyy's theirs, they 4067 02:54:06,800 --> 02:54:08,640 can do the DBH thing, whatever. So there 4068 02:54:08,640 --> 02:54:10,240 are shortcomings obviously in our our 4069 02:54:10,240 --> 02:54:12,560 code the like like I saw in the example 4070 02:54:12,560 --> 02:54:14,240 there they could cluster a whole bunch 4071 02:54:14,240 --> 02:54:16,880 of 8 10 12 16inch trees whatever and 4072 02:54:16,880 --> 02:54:19,439 then um for to to be retained and then 4073 02:54:19,439 --> 02:54:22,319 and take out the big beautiful tree. Um 4074 02:54:22,319 --> 02:54:24,000 so I'm not an arborist so I don't know 4075 02:54:24,000 --> 02:54:26,240 you know the the pros and cons of 4076 02:54:26,240 --> 02:54:29,600 keeping you know eight 16inch trees 4077 02:54:29,600 --> 02:54:32,000 versus one 48 inch tree or something 4078 02:54:32,000 --> 02:54:34,319 like that but um people get really 4079 02:54:34,319 --> 02:54:36,000 attached to those and and I can see why 4080 02:54:36,000 --> 02:54:38,399 they want to keep them. Um, so I'm kind 4081 02:54:38,399 --> 02:54:40,800 of all all over the board here, but I 4082 02:54:40,800 --> 02:54:42,240 like that we're really looking at it. I 4083 02:54:42,240 --> 02:54:43,840 like that they've hired you, that we're 4084 02:54:43,840 --> 02:54:45,760 taking a fresh look at it. I'm always 4085 02:54:45,760 --> 02:54:50,080 concerned that um prioritizing keeping 4086 02:54:50,080 --> 02:54:52,720 trees as much as I I love trees as much 4087 02:54:52,720 --> 02:54:55,120 as the next person will impact how much 4088 02:54:55,120 --> 02:54:56,560 housing we get built because that's our 4089 02:54:56,560 --> 02:54:58,640 other crisis. I think ultimately housing 4090 02:54:58,640 --> 02:54:59,760 is probably more important than keeping 4091 02:54:59,760 --> 02:55:01,040 trees, but I don't really want them to 4092 02:55:01,040 --> 02:55:03,439 fight with each other either. So, so 4093 02:55:03,439 --> 02:55:04,880 again, like I said, I've got complicated 4094 02:55:04,880 --> 02:55:07,040 feelings, but the what should change, I 4095 02:55:07,040 --> 02:55:09,680 can't really disagree with any of those. 4096 02:55:09,680 --> 02:55:13,279 Um, and um, I've said this many times 4097 02:55:13,279 --> 02:55:17,200 before as someone who does work in the design and development space, being 4098 02:55:17,200 --> 02:55:20,319 able to be flexible on sidewalks, 4099 02:55:20,319 --> 02:55:23,520 um, the um, setbacks 4100 02:55:23,520 --> 02:55:27,840 um, and really, you know, do a whole new 4101 02:55:27,840 --> 02:55:31,840 kind of re-evaluation of of how we allow 4102 02:55:31,840 --> 02:55:34,240 people to lay out buildings on sites. If 4103 02:55:34,240 --> 02:55:36,000 we decide that it's more important to 4104 02:55:36,000 --> 02:55:38,160 keep, you know, a 48 inch di, you know, 4105 02:55:38,160 --> 02:55:40,080 diameter tree or something like that is 4106 02:55:40,080 --> 02:55:43,120 going to be critical to us, balancing, 4107 02:55:43,120 --> 02:55:46,160 keeping trees, building, you know, um 4108 02:55:46,160 --> 02:55:47,840 keeping 4109 02:55:47,840 --> 02:55:49,520 building the number of trees and forests 4110 02:55:49,520 --> 02:55:51,840 we have in both while also increasing 4111 02:55:51,840 --> 02:55:56,000 the number of homes, which is an acute issue. So, that's what I always 4112 02:55:56,000 --> 02:55:57,359 think about when I'm when I'm looking at 4113 02:55:57,359 --> 02:55:58,960 the tree code is can we can we keep 4114 02:55:58,960 --> 02:56:02,240 balancing them? um and prioritize I I 4115 02:56:02,240 --> 02:56:04,160 would tend to prioritize the significant 4116 02:56:04,160 --> 02:56:09,120 trees um but again not such that um 4117 02:56:09,120 --> 02:56:11,920 we're not going to get you know 20 30 40 4118 02:56:11,920 --> 02:56:15,359 50 um homes that we may desperately 4119 02:56:15,359 --> 02:56:18,319 need. Um, but I, you know, to get in the 4120 02:56:18,319 --> 02:56:22,000 weeds here, it may be, well, maybe we, 4121 02:56:22,000 --> 02:56:24,640 um, we let you cut the trees if you're 4122 02:56:24,640 --> 02:56:27,680 going to do, um, a minimum density of 20 4123 02:56:27,680 --> 02:56:30,160 homes or something like that, or we'll 4124 02:56:30,160 --> 02:56:32,000 we our code allows some flexibility 4125 02:56:32,000 --> 02:56:35,279 there, but not for um, three single 4126 02:56:35,279 --> 02:56:37,040 family homes that aren't going to 4127 02:56:37,040 --> 02:56:39,359 contribute as much to the our affordable 4128 02:56:39,359 --> 02:56:41,600 housing goals. So, sorry I I don't have 4129 02:56:41,600 --> 02:56:43,040 like code written out for this, but I 4130 02:56:43,040 --> 02:56:44,720 think about that too as well, like what 4131 02:56:44,720 --> 02:56:47,120 are we getting for that sacrifice? So, 4132 02:56:47,120 --> 02:56:49,120 kind of random random thoughts there, 4133 02:56:49,120 --> 02:56:51,040 but those are the things I think about 4134 02:56:51,040 --> 02:56:54,399 with the tree code is um we've got to 4135 02:56:54,399 --> 02:56:56,000 keep them, but we also have to balance 4136 02:56:56,000 --> 02:56:58,560 that with the long-term needs of of 4137 02:56:58,560 --> 02:57:05,349 residents and homes. 4138 02:57:05,359 --> 02:57:08,240 I also like that idea that um 4139 02:57:08,240 --> 02:57:09,920 Commissioner Westerbeck mentioned that 4140 02:57:09,920 --> 02:57:11,279 if you are going to be cutting down 4141 02:57:11,279 --> 02:57:13,600 these trees, you'd better be building 4142 02:57:13,600 --> 02:57:16,399 enough um 4143 02:57:16,399 --> 02:57:21,279 homes to accommodate um the loss. Um 4144 02:57:21,279 --> 02:57:23,040 along those lines, I'm a little wonder 4145 02:57:23,040 --> 02:57:24,399 I'm wondering how this ties into 4146 02:57:24,399 --> 02:57:25,920 something we had talked about earlier in 4147 02:57:25,920 --> 02:57:28,880 the year regarding heritage trees and 4148 02:57:28,880 --> 02:57:31,040 those kinds of things. I didn't see a 4149 02:57:31,040 --> 02:57:33,359 mention of it, but maybe like obliquely 4150 02:57:33,359 --> 02:57:35,279 mentioned to it. Can you just touch tie 4151 02:57:35,279 --> 02:57:36,080 that in? 4152 02:57:36,080 --> 02:57:38,319 >> Yeah, that is a a probably a bullet 4153 02:57:38,319 --> 02:57:41,359 point I should have uh included as well. 4154 02:57:41,359 --> 02:57:44,720 That is still a a priority and something 4155 02:57:44,720 --> 02:57:46,640 that we'll look at as part of this code 4156 02:57:46,640 --> 02:57:51,359 update. Um is uh establishing a a 4157 02:57:51,359 --> 02:57:54,000 definition for like you were mentioning 4158 02:57:54,000 --> 02:57:56,800 grandfather trees or you know very 4159 02:57:56,800 --> 02:57:59,359 significant trees. 4160 02:57:59,359 --> 02:58:00,800 along those lines. Do you guys have 4161 02:58:00,800 --> 02:58:03,359 ideas about where you're headed with 4162 02:58:03,359 --> 02:58:04,880 that? Like what would it what would that 4163 02:58:04,880 --> 02:58:07,040 mean then if once we get that heritage 4164 02:58:07,040 --> 02:58:10,000 tree and kind of thing incorporated into 4165 02:58:10,000 --> 02:58:14,399 code? How would it affect the the 4166 02:58:14,399 --> 02:58:17,439 >> uh do you want to take that? 4167 02:58:17,439 --> 02:58:20,319 >> I have a few ideas that I'm uh 4168 02:58:20,319 --> 02:58:23,120 brainstorming right now. Right now, I 4169 02:58:23,120 --> 02:58:27,200 have three different types, three 4170 02:58:27,200 --> 02:58:28,880 different classifications that we can go 4171 02:58:28,880 --> 02:58:30,560 with. And I'm currently still 4172 02:58:30,560 --> 02:58:34,080 researching what is optimal and what is 4173 02:58:34,080 --> 02:58:36,720 used by the surrounding areas both in 4174 02:58:36,720 --> 02:58:38,800 Snomish and King County. So, I'm not 4175 02:58:38,800 --> 02:58:42,000 quite ready to unveil my but it's 4176 02:58:42,000 --> 02:58:44,240 definitely going to be coming. We wait 4177 02:58:44,240 --> 02:58:46,403 with baited breath 4178 02:58:46,403 --> 02:58:52,469 [laughter] for the [snorts] big reveal. 4179 02:58:52,479 --> 02:58:54,560 Okay. 4180 02:58:54,560 --> 02:58:57,120 >> Couple things if I may. I do think um 4181 02:58:57,120 --> 02:59:02,000 the 20,000 square foot um a minimum 4182 02:59:02,000 --> 02:59:03,920 could be reduced now given how many 4183 02:59:03,920 --> 02:59:06,000 small lots we're we're seeing developed. 4184 02:59:06,000 --> 02:59:07,520 And uh and that's somebody who, you 4185 02:59:07,520 --> 02:59:09,200 know, that would probably make my job a 4186 02:59:09,200 --> 02:59:11,040 little more challenging, but I think 4187 02:59:11,040 --> 02:59:14,319 that's from to me back in the days when 4188 02:59:14,319 --> 02:59:16,080 lots were just much larger and they were 4189 02:59:16,080 --> 02:59:17,359 going to have a single house on them. 4190 02:59:17,359 --> 02:59:19,439 And I just don't, you know, I could see 4191 02:59:19,439 --> 02:59:21,439 why people get upset when we just come 4192 02:59:21,439 --> 02:59:23,920 in and take down every single tree. And, 4193 02:59:23,920 --> 02:59:25,200 you know, developers didn't work that 4194 02:59:25,200 --> 02:59:28,640 way back in the 60s, 70s, whatever. Um, 4195 02:59:28,640 --> 02:59:30,319 that's why there's these neighborhoods 4196 02:59:30,319 --> 02:59:32,080 with all these mature second growth 4197 02:59:32,080 --> 02:59:33,680 trees. You probably know more about this 4198 02:59:33,680 --> 02:59:35,840 than me, but now it's cheaper for them 4199 02:59:35,840 --> 02:59:37,359 to come in and just take every single 4200 02:59:37,359 --> 02:59:40,640 tree out um and then rebuild from 4201 02:59:40,640 --> 02:59:42,800 scratch. It's faster and easier and more 4202 02:59:42,800 --> 02:59:45,040 predictable, whatever. And um I know I'm 4203 02:59:45,040 --> 02:59:46,640 sure storms and stuff are probably an 4204 02:59:46,640 --> 02:59:49,920 issue, but um 4205 02:59:49,920 --> 02:59:53,359 just the way the way um development 4206 02:59:53,359 --> 02:59:55,279 occurs now is so so different than it 4207 02:59:55,279 --> 02:59:58,240 was. So um we it seems like we used to 4208 02:59:58,240 --> 03:00:00,399 preserve more trees because it was just 4209 03:00:00,399 --> 03:00:01,920 easier, but now it's easier to take them 4210 03:00:01,920 --> 03:00:03,200 all out. So it's a whole different 4211 03:00:03,200 --> 03:00:11,190 paradigm, too. 4212 03:00:11,200 --> 03:00:14,080 » Okay. Well, thank you so much and it was 4213 03:00:14,080 --> 03:00:15,600 lovely to meet you. We look forward to 4214 03:00:15,600 --> 03:00:19,600 further meetings with you. Um, 4215 03:00:19,600 --> 03:00:21,439 do you have everything you need from us 4216 03:00:21,439 --> 03:00:22,960 for today? Well, thank you so much again 4217 03:00:22,960 --> 03:00:24,640 for this really great presentation. 4218 03:00:24,640 --> 03:00:28,160 Yeah, thank you and welcome. Um, that 4219 03:00:28,160 --> 03:00:32,880 concludes our four study sessions 4220 03:00:32,880 --> 03:00:35,520 for the evening. [laughter] 4221 03:00:35,520 --> 03:00:39,359 Um, are there reports from commission 4222 03:00:39,359 --> 03:00:41,840 members? If you have a report, you can 4223 03:00:41,840 --> 03:00:44,960 raise your hand. 4224 03:00:44,960 --> 03:00:46,560 Okay. 4225 03:00:46,560 --> 03:00:51,840 Uh seeing none, uh how about staff? Are 4226 03:00:51,840 --> 03:00:53,600 there any reports from staff? 4227 03:00:53,600 --> 03:00:55,520 >> Only only item from staff. Uh our next 4228 03:00:55,520 --> 03:00:57,840 meeting will be Wednesday, September 4229 03:00:57,840 --> 03:01:00,319 2nd. We'll have a few items to discuss. 4230 03:01:00,319 --> 03:01:02,240 Uh looking forward to seeing you again 4231 03:01:02,240 --> 03:01:04,000 and enjoy the the recess. 4232 03:01:04,000 --> 03:01:05,680 >> Okay. 4233 03:01:05,680 --> 03:01:09,040 Fantastic. Yes, we are. Uh there will be 4234 03:01:09,040 --> 03:01:12,399 an August recess. We um just as a 4235 03:01:12,399 --> 03:01:15,600 reminder, so our next session will be 4236 03:01:15,600 --> 03:01:20,000 September 2nd as stated by um Mr. Gates 4237 03:01:20,000 --> 03:01:23,680 there. Uh if there is no further 4238 03:01:23,680 --> 03:01:25,840 business, 4239 03:01:25,840 --> 03:01:30,160 um I will entertain a motion to adjurnn. 4240 03:01:30,160 --> 03:01:32,160 Is there a motion? Yes. 4241 03:01:32,160 --> 03:01:33,600 >> I move we adjurnn. 4242 03:01:33,600 --> 03:01:35,200 >> Thank you. Is there a second? 4243 03:01:35,200 --> 03:01:36,560 >> Commissioner Westerbeck, I second the 4244 03:01:36,560 --> 03:01:38,080 motion to adjurnn. Uh, thank you, 4245 03:01:38,080 --> 03:01:40,240 Commissioner Westerbeck. 4246 03:01:40,240 --> 03:01:43,269 Um, 4247 03:01:43,279 --> 03:01:47,680 wow. The motion has been uh seconded. 4248 03:01:47,680 --> 03:01:50,399 All in favor say I. 4249 03:01:50,399 --> 03:01:51,200 >> I. 4250 03:01:51,200 --> 03:01:55,439 >> Okay. Looks like a an universal 4251 03:01:55,439 --> 03:01:57,359 I. Thank you so much. I'll see you in 4252 03:01:57,359 --> 03:02:00,359 September.