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Good morning, everybody. This is a meeting of the Boulder County Commissioners. It is April 6, 2021, all three commissioners are present and we are here for a business meeting starting with the consent calendar items 1 through 8.

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Second. All in favour? Aye. Aye. Now the item number nine, petition of

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a payment or refund of taxes recommended for the approval of Cessor's office for the

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Sunbelt Reynolds Inc.

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Good morning, commissioners. This is Claudia Hodges Gonzalez,

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appeals coordinator in the office of the County Administrators Office. I have a petition for

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statement or refund of taxes submitted by Sunbelt, rentals ink for the 2019 and 2020 tax

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years for their personal property account, P0401686. The assessor's office recommends this

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petition for your approval, which would result in a refund in the amount of $54,355.85 for 2019,

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15 and 50,500 on dollars in 95 cents for 2020.

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April Micah was here from the assessor's office to provide more information and answer your questions.

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So, April wanted to give us a description.

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Absolutely. Good morning, commissioners.

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I'm April Micah, supervisor for the business personal property department in the assessor's office.

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So we have an abatement for two years, Sunbelt rentals, acquired and existing a business back in 2017.

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And they started filing their declarations with us, and unfortunately, we're listing both asset lines,

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where they were including equipment that they actually rent out to other local businesses.

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By state statute, equipment like that that's least out for 30 days or less, and includes sales tax, becomes exempt from business personal property.

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So they didn't abatement to go back and remove those assets from their list.

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Since they were already paying sales tax on it, and so we did an itemized list to make it clearer in the future.

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Thanks April any questions?

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Your explanation was crystal clear. Thank you, April. I, although I don't understand the policy behind that, but I guess that's not the question for this morning.

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I don't have any questions. Thanks, Claudia and April for presenting and that was great description. So I'm happy to move for approval of item number nine this morning. Second.

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All in favor.

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Hi.

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Thanks.

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Thanks, April.

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Thank you.

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The next item is item 10.

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Boulder County Department of Housing and Human Services.

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There's requesting a waiver of bid requirements for a contract of out-of-home

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placement of services for RADS house for BDCDHHS family and children services clients.

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Hi.

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Yeah, thank you. My name is Dave Bonnet-Youtso, and I am with the Impact Care Management Division

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of Housing and Human Services, and I manage a team of eight care coordinators who coordinate

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placements for child welfare youth when they are requiring that level of care. My team

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helps to assess the needs of kiddos and then find a child placement agency or a residential child care facility that meets the needs of those each unique youth.

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And we have each year we enter into a contract and out of home placement contract.

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It's an umbrella contract, we refer to it as an SS23A, and there is no financial liability to that umbrella contract, there's no rate in the contract or requirement to use the facility.

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Once we place a youth, we then execute a contract for that kiddo, that individual kiddo.

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and that's when we negotiate rate and and that is the contract that aligns the scope for

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the mental health treatment and other services that meets the needs of that kiddo.

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The state provides the list of facilities that are certified that we use and this past year added

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a residential child care facility named Brad's House and we have done bid waivers in the past

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for all the other facilities that we have contracts with and we are today requesting that we

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can do a bid waiver for Brad's House as well. Any questions?

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I have a question. Thank you for being here this morning.

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Two questions, I guess, do we, so we maintain the contracts with other residential treatment providers as well, so this Brad's house is not the only place that we would place it on.

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That's right.

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And one thing that just caught my eye, not necessarily a problem, but that they're based

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down in El Paso County.

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And so when we're placing a child quite far away from their home, do we make some kind

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of provision or allowances for visitation if that's appropriate under the circumstances?

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Absolutely.

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We have about 19 youth in congregate care placements right now and we try to have as wide

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of net available as possible because oftentimes my team Heather is here, she's the placement

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coordinator as well. The team is making those placement decisions at 2 o'clock in the morning

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And particularly Brad's house, which is in, as you said,

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it's in Monument, and it serves 10 to 14 year olds.

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And of the 30 or so facilities, we have three that will serve 10

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and 11 year olds.

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So it really has become harder and harder each year

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for us to find placement beds.

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By design, we like to keep kiddos in their homes

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as much as possible, but we try to have as wide of availability to meet the kids needs.

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And yes, we make sure visitation can happen and other therapeutic services and supports as well.

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Okay, thank you.

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Thank you, Bals, for being here this morning.

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I did have a couple of questions.

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one, you address a little bit about the amount, the financial amount on the contract that there isn't

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an amount there that is part of this presentation. Can you give us an idea of what that total

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amount ends, I understand that the contract so then made once like a kiddo is designated to one of

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those 40 spots locations. Can you give us an idea of what that looks like from an annual spend

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even if it's, you know, the last three to five years or somewhere in there.

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Yeah, I mean, I can, I can share with you the cost is a, is a daily cost for a residential child care facility.

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It's a rate that is set by the state and it's $238 in 11 cents per day.

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And so, and we might have youth, you know, we try to keep youth placed under 90 days,

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but we often have kiddos who are placed for a year or more.

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So, and we place about 138 youth were removed from their homes last year.

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We try to place as many of those kiddos in Boulder County foster homes.

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So those are foster homes that are managed by housing and human services.

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Not part of this contract.

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We try to default to that as much as possible.

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But we last year, we placed about between 150 kiddos in a CPA or RCCF.

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those group care homes.

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Okay, thank you.

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I have one other question on the,

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you mentioned that the state provides the list

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of facility and our homes, the placement locations.

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What is the relationship for the county

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using those services to learn more about those facilities

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on an ongoing basis to make sure that the need

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of being met for everybody in our community?

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Yeah. So sorry. I just looked at the rate and I think I had it wrong. It was 2, 231, 38.

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For a residential child care facility and 93 dollars and 22 cents a day for child placement agency.

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And yeah, so the department, the Colorado Department of Human Services, CTHS of the state,

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has a certification process, a licensing team that licenses each facility and oversees those facilities.

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And then we have amongst our team of eight folks, one of those folks would be assigned to each placement to ensure the quality of care.

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And there's also a case worker that from the family and children services that is overseeing the care as well.

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In general, there is a treatment team of four to eight people involved meeting monthly to

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ensure that the kiddos both that their knees are getting met, but also that they're moving

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towards the treatment goals that will step them down from the facility and into a more home-like setting.

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Okay, thank you. So that the request is not today for an amount of funding. It's simply for the

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waiver request that you that's what you're looking for. That's right, yes.

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And the only other thing I

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just wanted to comment and say thank you to staff there was some old language in this particular

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contract and so I just want to recognize the staff that went back in and we're going to work with

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the all to get that contract updated to use more appropriate language for our workers in Colorado.

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Yes, and thank you to you for pointing that out. I didn't have any other questions.

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Thank you for approval of item 10.

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Back in.

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So it's important work.

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Thanks for doing it.

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All of all in favor.

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Thanks, David Heather.

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Thanks Claudia earlier for your work on the

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pavement.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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You guys are doing the work.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Let's see.

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We are on to item number 11.

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Acknowledgement and agreement regarding communication sites, agreements between Boulder County

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and Eldar Enterprise's LLC.

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Hi.

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This is Eric Rogers.

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I'm going to be presenting this item for you today.

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I can give you a little bit of background about this.

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So back in 2011, Boulder County entered into agreement with El Doris, ski resort, granting

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El Dora, a license to use land adjacent to the ski resort, a radio communications tower

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was being constructed on the landing question, and the purpose of the agreement was to

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allow El Dora to install radio equipment on the tower. This agreement was the radio communications

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agreement, and then in 2014, the county entered into another agreement with El Dora related

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to the same site, this time granting outdoor license to use communications facilities being

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constructed on the site.

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And this agreement also discusses an electrical line, which is going from a transformer.

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And that site is owned by Al Dora.

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The county will pay rent to use that electrical power source, so it's sort of going two ways

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in this agreement.

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There are licenses going both ways.

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and outdoor grants, the county license to cross Eldora's land to access the site.

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So that second agreement is called the Communications Site Agreement, and it's a little

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bit detailed, but for the purposes of today, all we're talking about is these acknowledgments,

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which are coming before you, because Eldora is entering into a new, they're basically refinancing,

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and so they have two banks who are asking that these

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acknowledgeants be signed. Basically they're just asking for the banks to be put in

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elder issues, if elder or were to default, for the purposes of these two

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agreements. So they really don't affect the county's interest at all. The county

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attorney's office is recommending approval in signature and we were hoping to get

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both of them before you today but one of them has gotten held up in the signature

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process. So today you're just looking at the one with US bank and then in a few weeks you'll see

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the same thing coming through with the other bank that's evolved. Let me just check my notes and

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make sure I got everything that I was going to say. I think that's about it. Do you have any

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questions about these acknowledgements? Any questions? Thanks, Erica for being here this morning.

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Yeah, the question I had is the document, it has dates of September 30, 2020, so I was just curious about the time laps and it seemed like this probably was already presented to a previous board maybe and it's just now signed up those dates.

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That's a good question. I thought that I had updated the dates.

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Let me see, maybe it somehow came through with the wrong date,

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I'm wondering how I can pull

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What's the one that you're looking at?

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I've gotten to the most recent packet, because there were two links.

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Let's see.

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What are you seeing that date, Marita? I'm seeing it's entered into as of like 2021.

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let me get back to this. Okay, I think I'm looking at it. What you're looking at, let's see.

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Trying to find the item 11 on my path there.

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Pack it page one of the three extensions of credit.

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data as of September 30th, 2020. It's in the second paragraph of the

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recitals. I see it now, yeah. Oh, I see it too. Okay, let's see.

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So the

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collab, I think that that's referencing the date of the collateral agreement,

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which is not this. That's something that I let's see.

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It sounds like that's

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in the Eldora and their borrowers have already entered into.

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That's the way I was reading it.

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And so this one, they're calling it the acknowledgement throughout.

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And so maybe they've already entered into some kind of deal with their lenders, but for our purposes,

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this is where we're going to say, okay, if you default, if Eldora defaults,

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we will accept the banks stepping into their shoes.

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Okay, so the guarantee agreement that's also in the paragraph of the

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knowledge of an agreement, those are just both of those items are from September

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30th, but they're just part of the fuller agreement.

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That's my understanding that that's part of the financing agreement between

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outdoor and its blenders. And just so you know powder, the that they've

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powder is the company that now owns El Doris. So that's where powder is

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coming up. But powder, outdoor, those are the borrowers, and then the lenders are

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thanks. Okay, does that help? Yeah, clarify. Okay, thank you. That was

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the only question that I had. So, thank you, yes, sir. I don't see those

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agreements that are part of this agreement, that are dated. That's what we're

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going to look like, yes, sir. Do I have a general question? Sorry,

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you weren't jumping before you made a motion,

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but what's this communication

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terror use for? That's a good question. I don't know. I wasn't here when

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all this was happening and I don't know. I don't know idea. I could try to find

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out if you would like me to. Yeah, I'm just curious. I mean, it could be a

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You know, I did notice that the original agreement was signed by the sheriff's office, so it may be emergency related.

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But I don't know for sure.

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That is a critical thing, so that's my question.

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Do you want to, are you, Commissioner Johnson, you want to pull this until we have the other agreement to look at them together?

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What would you like to do with that comment?

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And I could try to reach out and see if I could get an answer here if you wanted to skip this item.

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If you'd feel like you need that to move on, I could do that real quick.

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Try to get a little more information.

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Why don't we do that and just keep moving to the agenda here and then come back to item number 11.

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Okay, that sounds good.

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No, thanks, Erica.

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In now on 12, rightification of chair Jones, 331-21 signature, I did that on my birthday,

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by the way.

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On an annual governmental joint cooperative agreement between the County of Boulder, State

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of Colorado and the State of Colorado, Department of Local Affairs, for a bit of division

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of housing concerning H.R. or 133 funds for emergency rental assistance.

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Good morning, commissioners Leslie Irwin commissioners office staff and happy belated birthday commissioner Jones.

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I'm bringing forward this request to ratify your signature that was executed last week.

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The State Department of Local Affairs sent this contract directly to commissioner Jones via docu sign and he executed it.

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This agreement is to use the neighborly portal to process applications for emergency rental assistance

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is specifically limited to our U.S. Treasury pot of funds for rental assistance, emergency rental

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assistance. Dola is executing agreements with all 11 communities that receive direct allocations

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from Treasury for some level of participation in neighborly. Our agreement is just that we use

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their portal, but we still process the applications and work with the residents to give them

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the assistance.

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We'll also use the portal to ensure there's no duplication of benefits if residents had

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previously received assistance from the state.

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We'll be able to check duplication of benefits and also access, use the data for reporting

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requirements to U.S. Treasury.

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Attorneys did review the contract before it was sent to Commissioner Jones and there will

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be a separate vendor contract at some point soon with Benavay, who does business as neighborly.

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So those are two separate agreements.

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We're awaiting direction from the state on the vendor agreement.

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But today, it is the agreement with the state to use neighborly that I am here to request

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ratification of Commissioner Jones signature last week.

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Any questions?

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No, Leslie.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you, Leslie. I did just have a question mostly for public too for anybody listening and curious about these funds. Could you just talk about the breakdown. Where that where that money is going my just looking through the agreement here. It looks like there's a 90% use direct and then what's where's the other 10%.

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Yeah, and that's requirement in the act in the law itself. So 90% has to be direct financial

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assistance to residents. So that means rental assistance or utility assistance. And then 10%

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can be for housing stability services and administration. So housing stability could be case management

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or eviction, advocacy to prevent eviction, and then that administration piece.

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Okay, thank you and I hope as we can do some outreach and get to some folks who may be

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weren't helped or weren't supported initially and some as COVID has gone on as we all know

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for some of the extended amount of time so thank you for all your work to get this where it's

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that now.

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And the huge thanks to HHS staff and BCHA staff who are doing Yomans work, we did have a surge

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application. So where it is getting out some way or another. So that's good to know that we're able to help people who need it.

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Absolutely.

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Like to me if approval of item 12.

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All in favor.

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Hi.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Good work.

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Thank you.

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In Commissioner Jones. This is air courageous. I could answer your question if you want to come back now.

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I can wait. Let's go to item 11 and you can answer a question, Erica.

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Okay, so I did confirm that the primary use is emergency communications.

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That sounds like a good thing.

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Yeah, it's an important thing. So, where did did you have anything more or should we go ahead and vote on this?

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I didn't have anything for there. I'd like to move for approval of item 11.

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Second.

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Well in favor.

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Here's let's hear it for emergency communications.

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Thank you, Rika.

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When you're up at Eldora.

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I'm really financing and acknowledging that you just followed that, that, that, that, that, that.

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All right, we are now on to item 13.

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2021 budget supplemental on behalf of Public Works Department in the amount of

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1,100, 100,000, 243 dollars to increase the related identified and approval

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construction projects to the e-spoilter County Hub project in Lafayette.

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Morning from the shares to Indian district. I'm the Senior Budget Analyst with the Office of

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Financial Management and as stated, we're looking to increase the general reconstruction

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appropriation by the $1.1 million. These are all previously approved projects that were

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guidance, though, that these costs are not eligible to be funded by the costs, proceeds themselves,

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and so we're just recognizing that this portion of the project costs will not be funded using

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general use resources. And if you have any specific questions about the projects themselves,

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I do have David McLeod, the deputy public work director available to address any of those.

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Any questions?

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Yeah, if you don't mind, Gillian, can you just clarify that? Did you say that this money is allowed?

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Is eligible to be funded? And I'm reading the line item here, so maybe that's part of my confusion

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that it talks about receiving guidance on costs that are eligible to be funded. But I thought you just said that

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this 1.1 million is not. Yeah, so the guidance we received was really just to gain some clarity around

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which portion of the projects cost were eligible to be funded by the cops,

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proceeds, and which were not. And so this 1.1 that we're increasing in our general reconstruction

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appropriation is the portion of costs that we believe are ineligible. And so we're acknowledging

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that rather than the cops proceeds covering those costs will be using general general use resources

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to cover those costs instead. Does that help distinguish between the eligible and

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knowledgeable. Yeah, so the in-house work can't be part of the COP is at the short story.

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Correct. Okay. Any other questions?

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No, I don't think I have any other questions. Thanks.

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Daughter of her for the questions. I can move to prove item 13. Second.

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All in favour?

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All right.

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Thank you, Julie.

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Item 14, 2021 budget supple mental on behalf of public works department amount of

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four million dollars to increase related to continued construction improvement projects

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in the Boulder County jail that we're not completed by the end of fiscal year 2020.

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Yeah, so this item again is associated with projects that have been previously approved for county staff to pursue.

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In this case, the full funds were approved and appropriated in FY20, however, those projects were incomplete.

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So we're asking approval to reappropriate those funds in FY21 so that staff can continue work on the projects out of the channel.

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Yeah, I had just a quick question, Julie, and thank you very much for bringing this to us.

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Are these funds coming out of the alternative sentencing tax that was approved?

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And this is a little bit unrelated to this specific item in front of us, but so as I understand

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the bulk of that tax is for the alternative sentencing facility and then a portion of it is for

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certain improvements in the existing jail around the administrative offices and things like that.

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Have all of the funds or the projected proceeds from that tax been basically spoken for if you will.

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Do we have we've identified improvements for all of those funds, just I think?

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Great question.

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And do you think that those funds are essentially spoken for largely in part for that alternative sentencing?

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I'll let David McLeod chime in if he has any specifics around.

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That would be helpful.

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Good morning everyone.

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didn't cloud their director of public works.

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Jill, summed up pretty well, I would say that the bulk of those funds are

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spoken for, you know, revenues are still a projection at this point,

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so we're, you know, we are projecting that all that might

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will be spent between ultimate sentencing and other

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group of projects on the GLPs.

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And just to be clear, then the budgets for the existing facility

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coming out of the tax, those have been identified already. The reason I'm asking is,

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there's a bill in the legislature that could create some significant new capital expenses for

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the jail, and I was wondering whether any of these funds would be available. We have no idea what

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scope of those expenses might be, but I'm just wondering whether this source of funding would be

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available or whether it's already been programmed. I'm not familiar with legislation that's

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kind of in motion and how that might impact us, but the fund source for the of intermanagement fund

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is a tax-based fund. And I believe that all of the projected revenues are already accounted for

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with capital projects on the channel payments, including lots of things.

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Thanks, that is the answer I needed. Thanks. I just had one question that sounds similar.

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That, these particular allocation of the four million dollar request is for, is it for infrastructure versus programs?

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Sully?

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Correct.

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Yes. These are for actual construction, capital construction projects, the funds that we're requesting today.

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Okay.

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I don't have any further questions. I'd move to approve item 14.

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second. All in favour? Aye. Aye. Thank you, commissioners. Thank you, David and Jillian.

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We're on to item 15, 2020 and budget supplemental amount of 9,816,670 of dollars.

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This increased request is related to a U.S. Department of Treasury and Merchee Riddle Assistance Award.

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Yeah, so the final budget supplement on a quest that we're bringing forward today is to appropriate the $9.8 million that would increase the county spending authority and our dedicated resources fund.

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and allow the funds associated with this U.S. Department of Treasury award to be dispersed

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on eligible expenses. And I have Chris Krullock here, our special projects coordinator in

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the Office of Financial Management. Do you have any questions specific to that award?

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Any questions?

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I think we've been briefed on this. I believe so. I don't think I have any other questions. Thank you.

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I don't have a question per se, but it'd be great because if maybe you could just do a two liner, to distinguish this one from the one we just hold a few minutes ago as well.

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It's kind of related. Thank you. Good morning, everyone. Chris Crowell,

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Special Project Coordinator, Office of Financial Management. This is revenue that was not anticipated during the 2021 budget process.

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It's treasury funding, which is specifically

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airmarked for housing support related to the COVID-19 response and recovery.

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We've already received the funds at the Treasury's office

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and we're just seeking approval for the budget amendment

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so we can move money over to BCHA and HHS

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to get this money out into the community.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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I'd move to provide on 15 seconds.

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Really important work. Thanks for bringing in the money, Chris and team, jelly, and everybody.

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All in favor.

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Thank you.

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So authorization of this for executive session,

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I think Susie is on the phone.

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She might need to be promoted to

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list. It looks like she unmuted.

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I wonder if we could, uh, mad if you could just read it and we

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can vote on it. I actually don't, I don't know. I don't know. That's also possible. Thank you,

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listeners. This is Brianna Barbara Assistant Clerk to the Board. The authorization for executive

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session for item number 16, the topics that were proposed to be discussed by the County Attorney's

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Office are community planning and permanent dock at SE-21-002, the Rutter lot consolidation,

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litigation updates in Cook versus Boulder County, and Sabar St. Brain versus Board of Adjustment,

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And this authorization would approve an executive session for 11 a.m. this Wednesday April 7th.

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Do I have a motion?

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Before before you do that, it's been proven for so into CRS 24 or 6402.

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print for print be legal advice. So go ahead for a motion. Thank you.

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Some moved. Second. All in favor. All right. Thank you commissioners. And moving on to our next

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item. Just a note for the record. Docket SE-20-0013 ederton building lot recognition has been

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rescheduled from April 8th to April 27th.

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And actually this is not, I know for the record, I do need a motion to approve the reschedwing of this stock, please.

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Okay, question to approve items 17.

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Oh, wait, I don't see item. Is that on our agenda?

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Yeah, number 17.

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Oh, let me see that. Okay. So move a second.

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All in favour?

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Hi.

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Do we have any BCH executive sessions that we need to report?

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No, Commissioner Jones, we do not.

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All right. Anything else?

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Yes.

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We do need.

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I do need to confirm the executive session topics for two sessions that were held the first

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What is March 31st?

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Just to note for the record,

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the topics discussed

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where community planning and permitting

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docket LEU-21-001, the C-DOT Highway 7 Lower Canyon Project,

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and also a litigation overview,

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moving on, confirming the executive session topics,

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discuss on April 2nd, the executive session schedule

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at 9 a.m. On Friday, April 2nd with Ben Permanent County Attorney pursuant to CRS24-6-4024F for personal

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personnel matters for the purpose of interviewing finalists for the Boulder County Public Health

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Executive Director position was not health. And that is all that I had today.

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Thank you. Thank you. Thanks, Reynet. Everything on the agenda, though, we're adjourned.

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Thank you. Thank you. Good afternoon, everybody. This is a meeting of the Boulder County Commissioners.

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It is April 6, 2021. All three commissioners are present. Today we're here to have a hearing on the inner government

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a little agreement for funding Iraqi flat screenweight trail crossings through the federal land access program.

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The request from the parks and open space that the Boulder County Commissioners approved the

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Intergovernmental Agreement for funding the Rocky Mountain Greenway trail crossing.

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Whichever is the county in the cities of Boulder, Western Australia about it,

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and it's substantially in the forefront present by the board.

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So in other words, what we're talking about is the actual underpass and the road crossing.

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And that is the subject of this conversation.

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Also, we're not doing public, or a public comment,

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but we are doing public comment and we have read the comments,

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the commissioners have read the comments that came in through today.

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So with that, Summer, do you want to present?

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Yes, good afternoon, commissioners.

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This is Summer Law's policy analyst in the county commission's office.

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And Jeff Molene is bringing up our presentation now.

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If Jeff, if you could introduce yourself.

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Yes, I'm Jeff Molene.

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I'm the planning manager for Boulder County Parks and Open Space.

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And so, as you mentioned, Commissioner Jones,

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we're here today to bring forth the consideration

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of the Intergovernmental Agreement in support

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of the Federal Lands Access Program grant.

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And next slide.

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So, just a reminder that we'll be focusing on our discussion on these topics, we'll provide

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an overview and some history, an overview of the actual IGA, and then a presentation on

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the soil sampling and analysis results from the or kicked off after our folder counties

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and our partners 2016 resolution and then a review from Boulder County Public Health and so they'll

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say I'm playing in analysis results and then bring forward this decision point.

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So next slide, here are the presenters today and we'll each introduce ourselves as we take on

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different portions of the presentation, but just synodic that staff have spent countless

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hours reviewing the data and analysis related to this project that we've been involved

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in a partnership group and the federal land's access program grant process since at least

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2016, if not prior, and a voter county has been involved in Rocky Flats issues for many decades, but we're really going to be focused today, specifically on this this IGA and trail crossings. So next slide.

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So yeah, just emphasizing the consideration point today and then next slide.

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One thing to note is that we'll really be taking a policy approach and also kind of a science

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driven approach to our review of the the soil sampling results and our overall involvement

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in the federal land's access program grant. But we won't be talking about the central

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operable unit or the Rocky Fletz National Wildlife Refuge per se. But just to note that the central

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that you can see here in this area is permanently closed, and Boulder County continues to support that permanent closure.

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And that the trails that we're connecting to are not in the central Oberville unit, but instead in the Rocky Flight Social Wildlife Refuge.

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And then the next slide please.

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So here's a timeline of our involvement in the Federal Lands Access Program process with our partners at Jefferson County.

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City of Boulder, City of Barbada, and City of Westminster. Then 2016, we reviewed an

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Internet Intergovernmental Agreement to participate in the Federal Lands Access Program

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grant and at that time, the Board of County Commissioners, conditionally supported,

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dependent upon additional and independent soil sampling and analysis,

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that we worked with our partners to contract for and independent agency to conduct EPE EPA

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compliant soil sampling analysis and we'll talk about that a little bit further that the

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award went to engineering analytics who is here to present today. Now we've been went through a

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public engagement process, including town halls and gathering online input regarding that

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sampling analysis plan before sampling analysis who conducted in 2019.

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The results became available in 2020 and based upon the results, Jefferson County did

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move forward and sign a revised intergovernmental agreement in December of last year and

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in 2021 there's been consideration of that IGA by the other partners just to note last night

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the city of Arvada also assigned the IGA and the city of Westminster signed in February of

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this year. So right now it's consideration in front of Boulder County and then also the city of Boulder

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will consider next week. And I think here is where I pass it over to Jeff.

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00:42:54,250 --> 00:43:07,450
Oh, just a quick review of what is the federal land's access program, and we'll talk a little bit more for the down about the budget for this project and what this project really is in Jeff will go into the details there.

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But this provides specific funding to connect lands that are adjacent to federal lands, and so I'm going to kick it over to Jeff just to provide more detail.

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00:43:19,630 --> 00:43:47,590
Thanks, Summer again, Jeff Molyne, with Boulder County Parks and Open Space and so yes, we've been so fortunate to have staff who are on the call here this afternoon who were instrumental in allowing and creating this opportunity for Rocky Flats, the Rocky Mountain Arsenal, for the federal lands to partner with these other agencies that summer identified.

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And locate the ability to access this federal land's access program grant funding opportunities.

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So if we get a chance to speak with some of our other staff that are on the call,

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we'll get a chance to talk with the people that really were the ones that made this opportunity

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of this wonderful opportunity available for us for these cities and counties and available for us at this time.

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So the way I'm looking at this at this point is this 200 feet is the thing that will get our county's residents safe access to 35 miles of trail.

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And what I mean by that is what's before you today is this this flat application and the IGA that allows the Boulder County to take part in this flat application.

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And if we are able to, if we're able to approve that, what it does is it gives our Boulder County residents safe access underneath the state highway 128 to the 35 miles of trail that the green.

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In way either already exists, 27 miles of it, and then another eight miles that will exist on rocky flats and some of that eight miles is already constructed.

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The other important parts of the request is that for roughly $90,000 of participation on our county part,

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And we're going to end up with a project that is in total nearly four million dollars.

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And so it's an incredible opportunity for us to leverage lots of different funding sources.

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And again, especially with this federal and access program.

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The project itself is only for the crossings that get the greenway into the Rocky-Flas National Wildlife Refuge.

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and in particular for us in Boulder County, it's this one that's the crossing of state highway 128.

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And we've talked about this other part already about the partnership and the agencies that are part of that.

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00:45:58,220 --> 00:46:05,320
Again, just a little bit of information about the green way as a whole, the effort was kicked off in 2012

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with the idea of linking the arsenal through the communities in Denver, utilizing existing

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regional trails and existing community trails when they are present, but creating and building

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00:46:20,100 --> 00:46:25,600
new trails where there's gaps in that, then it connects to the two Ponds National Wildlife

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00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:30,300
Refuge and then with this flat grant would connect to rocky flats.

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There's ultimately a vision with the greenway that would connect this, excuse me, connect the greenway into Boulder, further north into Boulder County, and then ultimately up to Rocky Mountain National Park. That was the vision at the beginning.

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So our Boulder County, we've been a part of this partnership group since 2016 as some are mentioned and we've also had a share in the rocky flat stewardship council and the Greenway steering committee and both of those efforts have been important in tracking this project as well.

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I just wanted to touch based on some past actions,

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we'll be reiterating these things over time,

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but I, in 2016, brought this opportunity in front of our Parks

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and Open Space Advisory Committee, and they supported the participation,

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a recommended support of the, excuse me, recommended participation,

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and supported that recommendation to the county commissioners,

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and then the county commissioners, conditionally supported,

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the IGA at that point and then requested this additional independent soil sampling that we can talk more about and we'll talk more about this afternoon.

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And so from a from a from a parks perspective, we feel like we've met those those the requirements of those past actions.

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And again, we'll hear about the safety and the analysis of the soil sample.

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So, at the one, another point I wanted to make is that our department finds that this project is supported by county open space, sustainability and transportation policies and plans, and that would include things like the county's comprehensive plan.

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And it's for these reasons. It provides the safe highway crossing.

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It provides a safe connection to the wildlife refuge, and that's important in our community and important for the members of our community.

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It's an important regional trail connection that, again, connects all those wildlife refuges

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potentially up to Rocky Mountain National Park. But the trail itself also is important in

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the way that it connects communities. And so the green way, for example, will allow people

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from Lafayette Lewisville superior to connect Iraqi flats and to the green way and continue, for example,

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00:48:56,600 --> 00:49:00,100
on points to the east and communities to the east,

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Westminster, Commerce City, Denver.

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And then another point is that the trail

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is creating an opportunity

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to reach recreational sites sustainably.

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For example, again, myself here in Louisville,

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I get on the Rocky Mountain Greenway.

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I'm able to reach Rocky Flat to be a trail

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and be a safe crossing without having to get into my car.

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So it meets some of our sustainability goals as well.

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Here's what this looks like on a shown on a map.

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This is a depiction much, much larger, not to scale at all.

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But here's a depiction of where the crossing would be and then you can see to the north

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00:49:40,180 --> 00:49:44,500
that immediately this underpass connects into our regional trail systems.

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The high planes trail on the left here on the west and our Colton trail here on the east.

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and then, again, from there, you just radiated into our regional trail system.

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The greenway itself, if this flap access is approved, we'll then look at identifying

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and formalizing a greenway alignment using these existing trails that would at least connect us

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to Boulder. So that would be one of the next steps that we would take. Just wanted to show on the

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outside what we will be connecting to. So again, this dot here, this A, that's where

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the access crossing would be on state highway 128. This is the High Plains Trail

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Colent Trail. And then this would allow us to connect onto the trail system here at Rocky

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Flats. And you can see the green way outlined here in green, of course. And a number of

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trail shown and depicted on this map already exists in the course of Rocky Flats National Wildlife

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Refuge is already open to public recreation.

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I wanted to just mention briefly the environmental review.

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There had been some questions about concerns about impacts of the greenway on Rocky Flats.

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There was an environmental assessment done last November.

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Fancy or finding of no significant impact was issued by the Fish and Wildlife Service for that action for the trail construction and the flat grant in November of 2020.

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And then we've also one of the things that's a big concern for our department is high or high biodiversity areas.

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and this map was shared in a 2021 publication that was dealing with invasive plant distributions

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out at rocky flats. But this map caught my eye in that it reflects the planning that's gone

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into some of the portions of these crossings illustrate that what we're talking about and here's

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here's the area that we're talking about for our access flap access grant and the crossing up here

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00:52:03,420 --> 00:52:11,160
state highway 128. The location of the access itself and then the trail that would be necessary

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to connect it to those existing trails on rocky flats occurs in an area that avoids these really

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00:52:18,180 --> 00:52:24,320
high biodiversity areas of Syrian tall grass prairie that are present and and and very important

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on the refuge. They predominantly occur to the west of and south of the area where our project

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would take place. And then I was able to go out this weekend and just take a couple of pictures,

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so you could see what exactly we're talking about. So this is a view from the north side,

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looking southeast. So what we've envisioned or I think what's been envisioned is that the

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underpass would be located approximately here. This is state highway 128. This is a biker on the roadway

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00:52:55,820 --> 00:53:02,460
there. And so this, this would be the north opening of the underpass. You can see actually

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on this side predominantly smooth-broom is the vegetation type here. Then on the south side,

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so now we're looking at this bank, this embankment that was filled used to create the highway.

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So we're talking about the exit here on the south side again. This slope is all smooth-broom,

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And so then the trail would head off through this fence and then off onto the rocky flats property.

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So I just wanted to provide some recent pictures of where the project is going to take place.

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And I think that is all of my slides, and let's see who's up next.

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00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:43,800
Summer, do you want to take an introductory?

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00:53:45,220 --> 00:53:45,760
Yeah.

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00:53:46,740 --> 00:53:59,980
So this, yeah, this is summer laws again, policy analyst in the commissioner's office, and just right now we're going to go through some of the conditions within the 2016 resolution regarding the federal lands access program.

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So back in 2016, as we mentioned, Boulder County conditionally supported our involvement in the flat grant based upon an independent analysis of soil sampling within the areas where the trail crossings,

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will be built. So Jason Anders will be presenting this information of results of that soil sampling

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00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:27,860
analysis plan. But this is just a note again of that timeline and process that we talked about

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00:54:27,860 --> 00:54:33,660
earlier that we work together as partners in public health review the soil sampling analysis plan

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as well as the results we will talk about that here in a minute that we allowed for public input

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00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:45,920
into that plan through an online process and also through an open house held in the city of

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folder for both Boulder County and City of Boulder residents and others interested in learning

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00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:57,960
more about that sampling analysis. And so we'll kind of dive into that in just a second here.

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And the next slide. Here's a little bit more about that comment period and input that we've

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received back in 2018 where we're working on this role in analysis plan. And the next slide.

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And so now I'm going to pass it over to Jason Andrews and just to note that we worked

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on contracting with Jason, we worked on hiring an independent contractor and there was a request

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for proposals that put out that prior to engineering analytics being hired for this process.

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But in addition and I think Jason will talk about this.

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The Rocky Flex National Wildlife Refuge agreed to use the same contractor to do some sampling in an analysis on any portions of neutral being built within the refuge.

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So with that, I'll go ahead and pass it over to Jason.

568
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:59,000
Thank you so much for that information and background.

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00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:07,580
The summer indicated on Jason Andrews with engineering analytics project manager for the soil sampling that occurred for this project.

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00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:13,120
So we're indicated we did develop a sampling in the analysis plan through public comment.

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00:56:13,980 --> 00:56:17,480
Now we'd like to present the results of that work effort.

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00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:18,980
I think at the next slide, please.

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00:56:19,820 --> 00:56:25,000
So this slide provides an overview of the locations with the map.

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I think we're all pretty familiar with where we're at.

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Colorado Highway 128 to the north west.

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kind of the top right of this figure, and the bottom left is the proposed crossing done in the

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Indiana street. We sampled this with like a 25 samples at two locations within these two sites,

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00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:47,000
looking at the next line.

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So we have a zoom in on the two slides or two sites. The bottom right is the

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proposed disturbance area or the potential disturbance area for the crossing at 128. The figure on the

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top right is the proposed or potential disturbance area for the crossing at Indiana. The little green dots on there I realized that they might be a little hard to see on the screen are our sampling locations.

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So as indicated in that bolt there's 25 sample locations. The yellow highlights show the areas where we had our high samples are our highest sample readings.

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And those are important as we go to as we move forward here to kind of keep track of those, as we look at the results.

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So you can get some visual cues as to where that might fall out.

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00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:40,500
If we can get the next slide, please.

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00:57:42,220 --> 00:57:45,620
So this table here, there's a lot to digest on this table.

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We have a couple of things going on here.

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00:57:50,580 --> 00:57:53,960
Down the left side on the column, we have the sample area.

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00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:56,320
So we have Colorado 128 crossing,

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and we have it in the industry crossing.

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00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:01,420
As we go left to right across the table,

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I'll kind of go through that as we go one column across.

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00:58:05,180 --> 00:58:07,560
So the first one is the Exosciate Exposure Unit.

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How to Rocky Flats, there's exposure unit

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00:58:10,740 --> 00:58:13,180
as well, it's been sampled in the past.

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And the data has been collated by that exposure unit.

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00:58:16,860 --> 00:58:21,800
And that's the data we used to compare our samples with.

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or a Colorado 128, we compared the data

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to the rock creek drainage.

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00:58:27,980 --> 00:58:34,700
For Indiana, we compared it to the windblown area.

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00:58:36,540 --> 00:58:38,840
So if we go one more column, we have the project samples,

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00:58:39,100 --> 00:58:39,580
less than background.

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00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:42,020
So there's a check mark, it says it's less than background.

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And then below, that is our high maximum reading.

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So that's 0.045 p.o. carries per gram.

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00:58:52,480 --> 00:59:00,100
And so, for Colorado 128, our samples were less than background, and we'll just kind of work our way across and we can come back to ADN of Street.

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00:59:00,820 --> 00:59:05,340
And then we go to the next column over to talk about the wildlife refuge worker PRG.

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We were lower than that value as well.

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00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:20,200
And then as we move across, we're less than the mean RIFS data sets were less than the mean of the data set that was collected during the Kaiser Hill reports.

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00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:28,960
And then we provided the historic maximum results so you can kind of see what was shown out there from past sampling efforts.

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00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:33,480
And then at the very, the very right column is the clean of standard of 50 picotiers per gram.

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So you can see at car out of 128, we're below the historic maximum results, we're below basically every creature that we looked at.

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00:59:41,420 --> 00:59:43,060
So we'll jump down to Indiana industry.

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00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:46,840
We have, we weren't less than back on.

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00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:49,520
We have a sample of 19.4 picotiers program.

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00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:53,420
We were higher than the Wildlife Refuge Worker PRG,

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00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:56,020
at 19.4 picotiers program.

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00:59:56,380 --> 00:59:59,500
However, we were less than the mean of the RIFS results.

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01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:07,520
We're also less than the maximum historic results and we're also less than the clean-up standard, as far as the sampling results go.

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01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:09,160
Next slide, please.

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01:00:10,980 --> 01:00:18,820
So, as Summer mentioned, we did also do sampling for other jurisdictions and other agencies.

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01:00:18,820 --> 01:00:25,200
room field, asked that we completed additional sampling at Indiana Street with death.

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01:00:25,860 --> 01:00:32,920
So we completed additional 55 additional samples and we went down to one foot and we also drilled

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01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:41,780
two borings, one on the west side of Indiana and one on the east side of Indiana down to 20 feet.

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01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:45,940
Those results indicated decreasing concentrations with that.

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01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:47,800
Next slide.

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01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:58,760
We've also collected samples for the Fish and Wildlife Service. We collected 48 samples and they're across the six exposure units.

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01:00:58,940 --> 01:01:14,300
So the exposure units are shown kind of that mustard yellow line type. You can see there. And then the trail systems that we sample are a few kind of magenta, I guess it's a better color for that.

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And the green numbers are the sample IDs for the samples that we collected at those locations.

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01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:24,200
The sample results, if we can get the next slide, we'll look at those real quick.

631
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:31,040
So, very similar layout to the sample results that I showed for the flat group samples.

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01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:35,580
So, I want us to so I walk through the explanation of that again.

633
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:40,300
But you can also, you can see the check marks on those.

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01:01:40,300 --> 01:01:47,780
The project samples, being less than background, two of those units, we're checked the other

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01:01:47,780 --> 01:01:48,860
ones were not.

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01:01:49,820 --> 01:01:53,440
As we move to the right, you can see all of our samples were below that while life refuge

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01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:55,060
worker PRG value.

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01:01:55,760 --> 01:02:01,480
You can also see as we move to the next one, the samples were less than the mean of past sampling

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01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:02,060
events.

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01:02:02,060 --> 01:02:11,220
And once again, we have the max results shown there below in concentrations of picotiers per gram.

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01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:17,980
And then, as we continue to the right, we get to the historic maximum results.

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01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:21,520
And those are shown in picotiers per gram.

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01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:26,480
Our samples are all less than the historic maximum results.

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01:02:26,540 --> 01:02:29,800
We're also less than the cleanup standard as well.

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01:02:30,860 --> 01:02:32,800
So, if I can get the next slide, please.

646
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Our conclusions from the flap sampling results

647
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that we do not need any results from the soil samples collected and analyzed and indicate a higher risk level

648
01:02:45,300 --> 01:02:52,580
and presented in the 2006 Kaiser Hill report and the DOE report which allowed public access to the project area.

649
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:54,540
Thank you.

650
01:02:57,430 --> 01:02:58,170
Thank you, Jason.

651
01:02:59,570 --> 01:03:05,990
And then I'm going to pass it over to Bill Hayes and Dr. Chris Rubina.

652
01:03:07,390 --> 01:03:14,530
Just as a note to folks online and commissioners and public staff that we asked Boulder County

653
01:03:14,530 --> 01:03:21,150
Public Health to not only review the soil sampling analysis plan, but the results and they're

654
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going to provide their conclusions in this next presentation.

655
01:03:25,190 --> 01:03:26,310
Thank

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01:03:30,020 --> 01:03:57,100
you, Summer. This is Bill Hayes. I am the air quality coordinator for Boulder County Public Health. I've been with public health for the past 18 years. And for the past three years, I've overseen our rate on program. Through that program, we're working every day to educate people about the risks of rate on exposure in their own homes and helping them to mitigate those risks for.

657
01:03:57,100 --> 01:04:04,540
old as closure, prior to joining the county, I did work for a decade on the Rocky Flats cleanup effort.

658
01:04:04,980 --> 01:04:11,480
Initially, I was inside production buildings, planning waste packaging for a couple of years,

659
01:04:11,740 --> 01:04:16,320
but during my last eight years at the flats, I worked to ensure that radio nucleides were not

660
01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:21,940
transported off site via surface waterways, and I spent a great deal of time in the buffer zone,

661
01:04:21,940 --> 01:04:29,940
what is now the National Wildlife Refuge. And it truly is a beautiful setting and, you know,

662
01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:36,580
something that I enjoyed spending a great deal of time in while I was at the flats. So next slide,

663
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:43,080
please. So I do want to acknowledge that, you know, whenever we talk about radiation,

664
01:04:44,700 --> 01:04:51,440
people become concerned and rightfully so Boulder County Public Health is very aware of the risks

665
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:57,340
posed by radiation from any number of sources that were exposed to daily. We share the

666
01:04:57,340 --> 01:05:01,720
public's concern for those risks. And as I said with our rate on work, we're actively

667
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:09,040
working to address the impacts from radiation. We also recognize that as I said, all of us are exposed

668
01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:15,020
to radiation from a very high number of sources on a daily basis. Some of those are man-made.

669
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:20,920
Some of them is the natural background radiation. And the risks of those radiation

670
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:29,100
exposures, pose, can range from relatively low to unacceptably high. And sometimes, as is often

671
01:05:29,100 --> 01:05:36,960
the case in medical treatments exposure to radiation has benefits that outweigh those risks.

672
01:05:37,620 --> 01:05:44,860
Next slide, please. So we have at Boulder County Public Health thoroughly reviewed

673
01:05:44,860 --> 01:05:52,340
both the study findings that Jason just presented as well as the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Services

674
01:05:52,340 --> 01:05:57,200
environmental assessment for visit to access at the Rod Life Refuge.

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01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:04,940
And we found that in both cases those studies were conducted appropriately, the correct methodologies

676
01:06:04,940 --> 01:06:10,420
and analytic techniques were employed, and we agreed with the conclusions and findings

677
01:06:10,420 --> 01:06:16,600
of those reports. I won't read. Again, what was Jason's last slide, but essentially the testing

678
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:21,940
didn't find anything different from what we've seen in the past and Boulder County Public Health

679
01:06:21,940 --> 01:06:32,000
concur as that the project area is suitably low risk for public access. Next slide.

680
01:06:35,060 --> 01:06:41,440
So radiation exposure at rocky flats. So during the rocky flats closure, there were over 72

681
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:49,880
hundred onsite soil samples taken that gave us over 220,000 results. So very thoroughly

682
01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:59,060
sampled area, very thoroughly analyzed. The residual plutonium concentrations across the refugia,

683
01:06:59,540 --> 01:07:05,160
and that's not counting the central operable unit that is summers that is closed to the

684
01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:10,260
like I'm will remain close to the public, but in the remainder of the area and the refuge,

685
01:07:10,700 --> 01:07:20,300
the average plutonium concentration is about 1.1 pico-curious program. And that average exposure

686
01:07:20,300 --> 01:07:30,860
equates to an individual's lifetime excess cancer risk of 1 out of a million. And one out of a

687
01:07:30,860 --> 01:07:46,640
is the threshold that is typically used in public health to determine whether a significant risk exists or not, and at one out of a million that is not considered to be a significant cancer risk.

688
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:48,480
Next slide, please.

689
01:07:50,380 --> 01:07:56,980
So, a little bit more information about that radiation risk in the fish and wildlife

690
01:07:56,980 --> 01:08:06,100
environmental assessment, they looked at what would be essentially a projected exposure

691
01:08:06,100 --> 01:08:11,120
to visitors and workers, and I think, in both cases, the scenarios they considered are

692
01:08:11,120 --> 01:08:12,960
very conservative for a visitor.

693
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:21,340
They looked at someone going to the refuge, spending 2.5 hours a day there, 100 days out of the year.

694
01:08:22,480 --> 01:08:26,760
A worker, 8 hours a day for 230 days of the year.

695
01:08:27,180 --> 01:08:33,080
And then based on that 1.1 pico-curry program, average exposure,

696
01:08:33,660 --> 01:08:40,840
that equates to an annual dose for the refuge worker of 0.3 milligrams per year,

697
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:56,620
0.2 milligrams for a child visitor and 0.07 milligrams for adult visitor and that is a very small fraction of what the annual dose to the US public is of 620 milligrams per year.

698
01:08:56,620 --> 01:09:06,700
next slide. And so when we talk about the average US citizen getting a annual dose of 620

699
01:09:06,700 --> 01:09:14,760
milligrams per year, where is that coming from? And so at the top of this graphic, you can

700
01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:25,620
see that radon exposure is the highest single dose source in the US. So the average home in the

701
01:09:25,620 --> 01:09:34,180
it states gets 228 milligrams per year, exposure from rate on. And that's across all of the country.

702
01:09:34,320 --> 01:09:40,440
In Colorado, we have the second highest average rate of rate on gas. Iowa has the highest.

703
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:49,640
Our average rate on those in Colorado is 610 milligrams per year. And you just heard me say

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01:09:49,640 --> 01:09:54,900
that the average exposure across the US is 620.

705
01:09:55,620 --> 01:10:05,280
So here in Colorado, we receive just from rate on a loan almost the national average for radiation exposure.

706
01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:11,960
Additionally, we see cosmic radiation from living in Denver is 80 milligrams.

707
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:17,440
And right below that cosmic radiation at sea level is 30 milligrams.

708
01:10:17,440 --> 01:10:24,600
So just by living in Colorado, we all received an additional 50 milligrams per year exposure.

709
01:10:25,660 --> 01:10:33,260
And then you can see on the left-hand side, the doses from a number of very common medical procedures.

710
01:10:33,980 --> 01:10:34,640
And again,

711
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typical x-ray will give you between 10 and 29 milligrams of exposure.

712
01:10:45,040 --> 01:11:04,380
So, every time you go to the dentist every time you go to the doctor and get an x-ray, you're going to get a couple orders of magnitude higher dose than you would if you were visiting rocky flats for two and a half hours a day, 100 days a year. Next slide, please.

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01:11:05,260 --> 01:11:29,060
So, I do want to talk specifically about plutonium, because when we hear plutonium within the anxiety level tends to go up, but plutonium is just another radioactive element, depending on its isotope, it can be very reactive or it can be a very slow reactor.

714
01:11:29,060 --> 01:11:37,280
So, plutonium though, there's nothing more dangerous, more serious about the type of radiation

715
01:11:37,280 --> 01:11:38,040
it emits.

716
01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:48,500
It is an alpha particle in matter, and it's one that, you know, does occur very rarely in nature

717
01:11:48,500 --> 01:11:52,160
but the majority of the plutonium is man-made.

718
01:11:52,500 --> 01:11:53,300
Next slide, please.

719
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And so I want to get back to talking about Raidon, as I said, that's one of the programs I oversee.

720
01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:07,200
Raidon is an invisible odorless tasteless gas that enters our homes through holes in the penetrations

721
01:12:08,060 --> 01:12:09,860
and holes in our foundations.

722
01:12:10,740 --> 01:12:17,020
In Boulder County, about half of all homes have elevated Raidon levels.

723
01:12:17,020 --> 01:12:23,200
And Raidon is an alpha-mitter just as plutonium is an alpha-mitter.

724
01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:32,900
Raidon is the second leading cause of lung cancer among non-smokers in the country.

725
01:12:33,940 --> 01:12:42,560
And in Colorado, it's estimated that at least 500 people die of Raidon induced lung cancer annually.

726
01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:51,300
And as I said, the annual average exposure to rate on in Colorado is 610 milligrams per year.

727
01:12:52,980 --> 01:12:53,920
So next slide please.

728
01:12:55,540 --> 01:12:58,580
And so to put this all into context,

729
01:12:59,340 --> 01:13:03,460
no, there is no safe level of exposure to radiation.

730
01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:07,040
And we are constantly being exposed to radiation.

731
01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:09,900
And so we've got to put that risk in the context.

732
01:13:09,900 --> 01:13:18,980
And the increased risk from plutonium exposure to a visitor or a refuge worker at rocky flats is very low.

733
01:13:19,660 --> 01:13:33,560
And I want to really stress that the primary goal of this project, creating these highway underpasses for pedestrians and cyclists, is to increase their safety, so that they're not having to cross a busy highway.

734
01:13:33,560 --> 01:13:41,820
And crossing a busy highway would without question be the highest risk to anyone visiting

735
01:13:41,820 --> 01:13:45,580
rocky flats much higher than the risk from radiation exposure.

736
01:13:45,940 --> 01:13:51,240
As I said, this central operate, operable unit at the plant is going to remain close to

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01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:51,800
the public.

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And if this project does go forward, there will be additional dust monitoring as part of the

739
01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:12,500
active material is being aerosolized and transported off-site. So that concludes my presentation.

740
01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:19,320
I thank you all and I do want to give Dr. Bina a chance to add in the additional comments.

741
01:14:21,100 --> 01:14:26,120
I thank you very much for making that presentation. I'm Christopher Bina,

742
01:14:26,120 --> 01:14:33,060
I'm the medical officer for Boulder County Public Health. I am also the medical officer for

743
01:14:33,060 --> 01:14:38,980
field. I was there and testified on that. And when the green way, actually when the

744
01:14:38,980 --> 01:14:43,540
reputes was first opened up, full disclosure, I was ahead of the Colorado Department of

745
01:14:43,540 --> 01:14:50,180
Public Health and Environment. So I'm well-versed on the cancer studies and all the historical

746
01:14:50,180 --> 01:14:56,500
factors associated with the rocket plants, as well as the reputes. So I'm here to just

747
01:14:56,500 --> 01:14:59,980
answer your questions and I'm going to stop there.

748
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:05,180
If there are questions that you have, and just go on with the presentation. Thank you, Bill. Great job.

749
01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:06,280
Thank you.

750
01:15:09,260 --> 01:15:13,060
To the summer, are you, or is your presentation concluded? Just a time for questions?

751
01:15:13,820 --> 01:15:16,720
I'm actually now, we still have a few slides.

752
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:20,660
Yeah, I think we've been, I think we have four or five more, and then we could go into questions.

753
01:15:20,820 --> 01:15:22,620
I think that might work. Okay.

754
01:15:23,940 --> 01:15:24,620
Thank you, Jeff.

755
01:15:26,380 --> 01:15:31,820
So, in closing, we have a, yeah, as I mentioned, a couple more slides. We just wanted to note the ways that we,

756
01:15:32,920 --> 01:15:39,580
That staff feel we have met the requirements in Boulder County's resolution, 2016-59.

757
01:15:41,720 --> 01:15:49,280
One of the requirements was that the soil sampling analysis plan would be developed in conjunction with Boulder County,

758
01:15:49,740 --> 01:15:52,680
and that we would be satisfied with that plan.

759
01:15:53,240 --> 01:15:58,200
Again, as Bill mentioned, we partnered with Public Health for a review of that process,

760
01:15:58,200 --> 01:16:04,400
the methodology, methodology, which you heard from Jason Andrews, and we believe that those

761
01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:12,740
required that requirement was met. In addition, the soil sampling included the full panel

762
01:16:12,740 --> 01:16:18,600
testing for radio nucleodes, and as we mentioned, it was compliant with EPA protocols.

763
01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:26,180
And then the final kind of pledges of support and funding within that resolution was really dependent

764
01:16:26,180 --> 01:16:32,260
upon the soil sampling results demonstrating that the contamination levels are below the

765
01:16:32,260 --> 01:16:37,640
apical federal and state human health standards, which you did hear that conclusion from

766
01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:47,500
both Jason Andrews and Bill Hayes this afternoon. So next slide. And just to note that

767
01:16:47,500 --> 01:16:54,960
if the federal lands access program IGA is approved by a voter county, that will continue our

768
01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:55,700
involvement.

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01:16:56,980 --> 01:17:03,360
Parks and Open Space will be involved in implementation of this, of the IGA, as well as

770
01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:09,940
any subsequent documents that we also support the additional dust monitoring that was proposed

771
01:17:10,620 --> 01:17:15,660
by Jefferson County to take place during the construction of the trail crossings.

772
01:17:16,920 --> 01:17:22,160
Separately, we will continue to be a member of the Rocky Flat Stewardship Council, which

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01:17:22,160 --> 01:17:33,280
It looks at all things rocky flats and also takes public comment input into those issues and that will continue to review the quarterly and annual reports from the

774
01:17:33,280 --> 01:17:42,100
Georgia Council and the long term maintenance of the cleanup enclosure of the central operating unit and that will continue to partner with

775
01:17:42,100 --> 01:17:44,200
staff over at public health

776
01:17:44,200 --> 01:17:49,520
in terms of review of any relevant plans related to the trail crossings or rocky flats issues.

777
01:17:51,140 --> 01:17:56,200
And then next slide. And then as Commissioner Jones mentioned at the kickoff that we did

778
01:17:56,960 --> 01:18:03,220
open this process to public comment and we received written comment. As of earlier today,

779
01:18:03,420 --> 01:18:10,440
we had 100 emails and public comment submitted to the commissioners. There were four emails from

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01:18:10,440 --> 01:18:16,420
47 individuals that were drafted to the City of Boulder, but I think also meant to for Boulder County,

781
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:24,080
requesting the opportunity to provide a verbal comment on this process, because of the nature

782
01:18:24,880 --> 01:18:40,420
of the decision at hand, which was really about the trail crossing in this IDEA, the board and

783
01:18:40,420 --> 01:18:46,800
that were written in support of the trail crossing, and then 26 individual emails either against

784
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:51,920
the trail crossing or trails within the Rocky Blacks National Wildlife Refuge.

785
01:18:53,220 --> 01:18:59,400
In the next slide, this is just where we are in terms of the process as partners.

786
01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:06,000
As I mentioned, Jefferson County had approved the IGA back in December, and there was the

787
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:10,520
additional dust-marked monitoring provision, the city of Westminster

788
01:19:10,520 --> 01:19:15,180
approved and February and city of Arvada approved last night.

789
01:19:16,500 --> 01:19:19,060
The IGA is obviously up for consideration for Boulder County.

790
01:19:19,540 --> 01:19:27,020
This E-Lean and that the city of Boulder is Council's reviewing a staff report on April 13th.

791
01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:27,960
So next week.

792
01:19:30,630 --> 01:19:31,710
And here's the project budget.

793
01:19:31,990 --> 01:19:34,570
And I, Jeff, I didn't know if you wanted to jump into this.

794
01:19:35,410 --> 01:19:41,590
I don't think I need to necessarily, but these amounts, I guess I could just mention one thing.

795
01:19:42,030 --> 01:19:50,490
These amounts that are bolded here represent the match that is going to be required for each of the two crossings.

796
01:19:50,610 --> 01:19:56,110
And then, as is indicated in the narrative, here, the total project cost is nearly $4 million.

797
01:19:58,410 --> 01:19:59,330
Thank you.

798
01:19:59,330 --> 01:19:59,950
Yeah.

799
01:20:04,280 --> 01:20:32,420
Yeah. So, so both either summer or I could take this, but at least from the parks perspective this leads us to our recommendation, which is for you to approve the IGA, moving forward for all the reasons that we've discussed today, but especially I think this perspective of the trail safety and trying to find ways to keep our recreating public safety.

800
01:20:32,420 --> 01:20:41,300
and from having to negotiate a highway crossing at grade between our two wonderful existing trail systems.

801
01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:50,360
The Rocky Mountain Greenway and some of the existing trails at Rocky Flats and what will be a continuation of the Rocky Mountain Greenway down to the south.

802
01:20:50,980 --> 01:20:56,780
And then our just wonderful regional and local trail systems here to the North and Boulder County.

803
01:20:56,780 --> 01:21:01,340
And so we're, we're, I'm really asking for your approval of this.

804
01:21:02,540 --> 01:21:04,400
And I don't know, do you have anything to add, summer?

805
01:21:05,380 --> 01:21:06,800
I don't want to thank you, Jeff.

806
01:21:07,060 --> 01:21:09,860
And I think now we can stop our presentation.

807
01:21:10,440 --> 01:21:12,140
Yeah, and then take questions.

808
01:21:12,320 --> 01:21:15,840
And we have, you know, for all all staffs, happy to answer any questions.

809
01:21:16,940 --> 01:21:21,460
Well, thank you for the presentation, which appreciated just let the public know.

810
01:21:22,820 --> 01:21:24,040
And we take public comments.

811
01:21:24,040 --> 01:21:30,580
is not about when we present them like their counts like that that implies that what we're looking

812
01:21:30,580 --> 01:21:37,980
for is what we might change in our proposal from those. But are there any questions for staff?

813
01:21:41,290 --> 01:21:46,190
Yes, thank you. Thank you everybody for the presentation, the materials, the background.

814
01:21:47,030 --> 01:21:51,430
There's a lot of history, there's a lot of work that's been done, so just want to acknowledge all that

815
01:21:51,430 --> 01:21:55,750
and thank you all. I also want to just a couple things that I want to put on the record first.

816
01:21:55,750 --> 01:22:00,170
one, some of you just went through one of the lists and I missed the title of the slides,

817
01:22:00,330 --> 01:22:07,470
so we won't go back to it. But on my night, I'm three. I did ask for public comment to be part

818
01:22:07,470 --> 01:22:12,870
of this particular presentation and public hearing today and our two fifth staff made a decision

819
01:22:12,870 --> 01:22:18,130
to not do that for this one and we've got written comment and we've got over 100 comments as you

820
01:22:18,130 --> 01:22:22,610
as you talked about and we have read through all of those. I just want to, which is I have read through

821
01:22:22,610 --> 01:22:25,510
all of those comments and so I just want to make sure the public is aware that

822
01:22:25,510 --> 01:22:30,170
we've received it and we have read through it and we'll hear that respond to it.

823
01:22:30,470 --> 01:22:35,110
So that's one piece and then the other piece I just wanted to check in commissioner Jones

824
01:22:35,110 --> 01:22:41,610
just from a process standpoint of when our staff would might have an opportunity to respond

825
01:22:41,610 --> 01:22:45,390
to some of those comments because some of them have come in in the last couple of hours.

826
01:22:46,030 --> 01:22:50,090
And so I'm sure they weren't part of the presentation because the presentation was then

827
01:22:50,090 --> 01:22:55,110
prior to that. So just for our clarification on the order of how we're going to address that.

828
01:22:55,510 --> 01:23:00,110
So this is an opportunity for us to ask questions and we'll deliver it after this.

829
01:23:00,590 --> 01:23:06,230
And so if you want to say some of the questions or ask, that would be great.

830
01:23:06,270 --> 01:23:10,750
I don't think the staff has had a chance to read everything up to the end.

831
01:23:10,930 --> 01:23:11,190
Okay.

832
01:23:11,350 --> 01:23:13,690
What did you go ahead and ask some of the themes?

833
01:23:14,550 --> 01:23:14,690
Okay.

834
01:23:15,290 --> 01:23:15,730
Sure.

835
01:23:16,730 --> 01:23:17,270
I will.

836
01:23:17,410 --> 01:23:21,290
And there's a couple and just what timing and some of the folks I know we have are attorneys

837
01:23:21,290 --> 01:23:22,010
and things like that.

838
01:23:22,010 --> 01:23:26,350
want to maybe ask some of those questions and then they can ask them like other questions as well.

839
01:23:27,590 --> 01:23:33,070
One of the pieces was in a public comment from a

840
01:23:34,710 --> 01:23:40,830
roundel whiner in regards to current litigation and I just wanted to know if we could have

841
01:23:40,830 --> 01:23:49,270
either staff or our attorney stuff somebody respond to that question and I could find it and read it

842
01:23:49,270 --> 01:23:52,350
is that what you were asking for Shandong's?

843
01:23:52,850 --> 01:23:54,030
No, not necessarily.

844
01:23:54,270 --> 01:23:57,930
I don't know if it the turnies on the line here.

845
01:23:58,550 --> 01:24:00,110
This is Conrad Lattison.

846
01:24:00,450 --> 01:24:01,510
I had a model on.

847
01:24:03,430 --> 01:24:05,010
I can't talk about that.

848
01:24:05,910 --> 01:24:08,690
That that suit was brought a number of years ago.

849
01:24:10,470 --> 01:24:17,850
And Mr. Weiner tried to get the federal court to put a stay on.

850
01:24:17,850 --> 01:24:29,210
Fish and Wildlife's proceedings to open the park to the public, and that request was denied.

851
01:24:32,450 --> 01:24:43,270
So there is no, at least in the litigation that is ongoing, even that litigation has not halted anything with respect to rocky flats.

852
01:24:44,530 --> 01:25:03,430
We have not, you know, closely examined this case, but we know that on NEPA issues, there is always a low chance of success, and that even if you get a victory, it is generally procedural and does not stop the project.

853
01:25:04,630 --> 01:25:15,310
So, we do not see that lawsuit as likely to stop, you know, there'd be in recreation at Rocky Flats.

854
01:25:16,610 --> 01:25:25,430
And if there's recreation of Rack of Flats and on our side of 128, there are people are going to transfer between the two.

855
01:25:26,990 --> 01:25:31,410
Thank you. I appreciate that. And then the other piece that the piece I was going to put on the record

856
01:25:31,410 --> 01:25:43,710
and I missed that. I just want to introduce my question. I got so excited. I did though. I did take an opportunity yesterday actually to go out and run the cultural head just to kind of see what we're talking about.

857
01:25:45,490 --> 01:25:53,230
And to stop and talk to a couple of people who were out there just to not ask them specifically as much as one of my questions is around the public process.

858
01:25:53,230 --> 01:26:08,170
I didn't see signers like public hearing signers that we would see another types of hearings and so I was just kind of curious to hear from staff about that process alongside the question that community members have brought up about public input et cetera.

859
01:26:09,770 --> 01:26:17,230
And, and so just wanted to know, I guess, we could start there from a, that piece of public

860
01:26:17,230 --> 01:26:21,250
process for this hearing, and I know that there was a change of dates and things like that

861
01:26:21,250 --> 01:26:22,870
that might have been confusing for folks.

862
01:26:27,300 --> 01:26:31,840
Yeah, I think, I'll say a couple things, and then I also might ask Andrew Valdez to say

863
01:26:31,840 --> 01:26:36,800
a couple of things about our public process for the soil sampling and analysis plan just overall

864
01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:38,000
since 2016.

865
01:26:40,580 --> 01:26:45,620
So in the sense and meeting Michelle can jump in here too that we're looking at the

866
01:26:45,620 --> 01:26:51,700
the resolution from 2016 and meeting the conditions of that resolution. We didn't hold

867
01:26:51,700 --> 01:26:59,280
a large public process for this hearing other than requesting written comment in terms of this hearing

868
01:26:59,280 --> 01:27:04,560
for the entire school of sampling and analysis plan and kind of the review of the crossings we

869
01:27:04,560 --> 01:27:10,940
work with our partners, for that kind of broader bigger picture look at the soil

870
01:27:10,940 --> 01:27:15,080
family and analysis plan of whether or not we should move forward with the crossings.

871
01:27:15,320 --> 01:27:18,520
And so maybe Andrew, if you want to talk a little bit about that, if you're able to.

872
01:27:19,400 --> 01:27:24,200
Yeah, sure. So when when we read Andrew, will you stay your name in your position?

873
01:27:24,840 --> 01:27:29,520
Yes. My apologies. So Andrew, about that, Johnson County Open Space planer.

874
01:27:29,520 --> 01:27:35,530
And I'm the project manager for the Johnson County Council.

875
01:27:36,170 --> 01:27:46,190
So yes, when we originally applied for this grant as part of the condition for proceeding was a robust public process.

876
01:27:47,250 --> 01:27:54,410
And at that time, we had six open space agencies involved in the pursuit.

877
01:27:54,410 --> 01:28:10,430
And as part of our outreach component, we had each open space agency work with their communications departments individually to get out all the process that we were going to do on the on this on a specific project.

878
01:28:10,430 --> 01:28:18,290
So we advertise, do you public open house forums that were well-atended, where we talked

879
01:28:18,290 --> 01:28:23,970
about all the projects, history, where it's going from here, and the soil sampling that

880
01:28:23,970 --> 01:28:27,550
was done historically, and the soil sampling that we were planning to do at that time.

881
01:28:28,110 --> 01:28:33,290
We also established on the Jefferson County side, a project website, where people could

882
01:28:33,290 --> 01:28:34,250
submit comments.

883
01:28:34,250 --> 01:28:38,890
And we received over 350 individual comments,

884
01:28:40,310 --> 01:28:43,910
60% of which were in support or in strong support.

885
01:28:44,430 --> 01:28:50,170
There was also a number that were neutral pending the results

886
01:28:50,170 --> 01:28:52,310
of these soil sampling analysis plan.

887
01:28:52,850 --> 01:28:57,710
We also provided an opportunity for the public and interested parties

888
01:28:58,250 --> 01:29:02,930
to provide technical comments on the sampling and analysis plan.

889
01:29:02,930 --> 01:29:10,410
And we received about a hundred of those, and those were actually built into the design of the sampling.

890
01:29:11,310 --> 01:29:17,150
And the sampling analysis plan was changed somewhat due to public comment.

891
01:29:17,610 --> 01:29:27,250
We also shared split samples with an interested party and created a fraction that was then picked up by an interested party third party.

892
01:29:27,250 --> 01:29:37,990
So, you know, we have done our public process and that's why it's been five years to get to this point.

893
01:29:38,750 --> 01:29:40,550
Okay, thank you.

894
01:29:41,350 --> 01:29:43,250
And I was curious on the,

895
01:29:44,090 --> 01:29:44,810
oops.

896
01:29:46,750 --> 01:29:48,750
The, so a couple of things.

897
01:29:48,850 --> 01:29:52,490
One of the questions is around the safe highway crossings.

898
01:29:52,490 --> 01:29:55,490
And I was wondering if you could bring up

899
01:29:55,490 --> 01:29:59,970
there was one of the slides that showed the... it's a...

900
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:20,100
Upgrounds and the Petrails on it. And one of the questions just to clarify, and I think it's helpful for folks who are watching as well to have an indication of which of those trails are completed versus which ones are potential or considered.

901
01:30:23,600 --> 01:30:28,120
Yeah, let me work on that here for a second.

902
01:30:28,120 --> 01:30:48,180
Um, you bet. So. And I wonder if anybody knows, you know, when once we get to that map, the, where the actual trail heads are, because I haven't seen them with those overlays yet. And it would be helpful.

903
01:30:51,500 --> 01:30:56,410
Yeah, I can, I can really help with that. So let's see here. I just got to get my

904
01:30:57,080 --> 01:30:57,600
to go.

905
01:30:57,600 --> 01:31:06,280
To Jeff, I do this slide that Commissioner Loachamea is referring to for the, it has the blue and the magenta in engineering analytics shows the way.

906
01:31:06,280 --> 01:31:08,060
Oh, sure. Okay. That's a good one.

907
01:31:08,380 --> 01:31:18,160
The new construction, which ones were the existing and where we did that the Fish and Wildlife agreed to use the contractor that we worked with to do the additional sampling.

908
01:31:18,160 --> 01:31:24,020
on any new construction of trails. So that's in Jason's, please. Yeah. I think that's

909
01:31:24,020 --> 01:31:34,720
long. And there was got it. 26. Yeah. So now I just got to get to, are you guys aren't seeing

910
01:31:34,720 --> 01:31:42,720
this, right? Not yet, but we're in and we are understanding. Okay. No pressure. Yeah. Got to share my

911
01:31:42,720 --> 01:31:45,480
screen first. Here we go.

912
01:31:48,980 --> 01:31:52,740
Let's see here. So now you, now I'm hoping you're going to be able to

913
01:31:52,740 --> 01:31:59,840
see my screen. I can see the sample locations. Yeah, so let me, let me orient you Commissioner

914
01:31:59,840 --> 01:32:07,580
Loachman. So this up here, I hope you can see the cursor. So state, state highway 128 is this,

915
01:32:07,580 --> 01:32:12,960
this line up here on the northern part of the refuge. This location right here is Indiana,

916
01:32:12,960 --> 01:32:16,100
the intersection, excuse me, not Indiana,

917
01:32:16,660 --> 01:32:18,840
McCaslin, and State Highway 128.

918
01:32:19,440 --> 01:32:21,880
That intersection is located right here.

919
01:32:23,980 --> 01:32:27,500
So for the Boulder County side of things,

920
01:32:28,100 --> 01:32:31,740
you can just barely see there's an area

921
01:32:31,740 --> 01:32:34,980
that people do use as a trailhead located here

922
01:32:34,980 --> 01:32:37,320
in the right of way of State Highway 128.

923
01:32:37,920 --> 01:32:40,400
And so you can see that location here with the cursor

924
01:32:40,400 --> 01:32:52,160
And then the new pieces, so the connection would go from that parking area there in the right of way.

925
01:32:52,540 --> 01:32:56,960
And then the flat grant would get us across this 200 feet of highway.

926
01:32:57,940 --> 01:33:09,100
And then attached to this purple section of trail that would need to be constructed as part of the refuge's work.

927
01:33:09,100 --> 01:33:18,020
um, their trail work project. And so, so that's, that's the north side. Um, these blue trails,

928
01:33:18,680 --> 01:33:24,280
this, this blue trail outline here that I'm outlining. That's it. That's existing trail.

929
01:33:24,540 --> 01:33:31,880
This right here is existing trail. I guess, uh, the, um, many of these that are shown on this map,

930
01:33:32,040 --> 01:33:38,500
the blue ones that are shown as refuge trails are constructed, uh, maybe not quite all of them,

931
01:33:38,500 --> 01:33:40,680
but most of them are constructed.

932
01:33:40,720 --> 01:33:46,300
And I know for fact that all of these are already constructed.

933
01:33:47,020 --> 01:33:50,660
And then this would be the new construction of trail work

934
01:33:50,660 --> 01:33:55,620
on the east side of the refuge that would then tie into the Indiana crossing.

935
01:33:56,620 --> 01:34:00,920
That's this eastern boundary of the refuge is Indiana.

936
01:34:01,500 --> 01:34:03,840
And then this, I don't, I know less about this.

937
01:34:03,860 --> 01:34:07,320
We'd have to get somebody else if you had questions about this new construction over here.

938
01:34:07,320 --> 01:34:20,320
Does that help, so there's the trailhead, the one thing I forgot to mention is the formal rocky flats trailhead on the north is located right about there.

939
01:34:23,540 --> 01:34:34,880
The rocky flats, the existing rocky flats trailhead, off of currently off of state highway 128 that's existing is located right about here where my cursor is.

940
01:34:34,880 --> 01:34:37,920
that you can see it again up here on the North.

941
01:34:38,060 --> 01:34:40,560
So that's where that existing trailhead is.

942
01:34:40,920 --> 01:34:42,960
And then thank you for that Jeff.

943
01:34:43,100 --> 01:34:45,240
I was just curious, I know Dave Lucas,

944
01:34:46,580 --> 01:34:49,320
who is a National Wildlife Refuge Manager

945
01:34:50,100 --> 01:34:52,200
for Rocky Flat National Wildlife Refuge

946
01:34:52,200 --> 01:34:55,680
and the other two metro wildlife refuges is here on the line.

947
01:34:56,140 --> 01:34:59,060
So didn't know if you had anything to add to that, Dave.

948
01:35:03,420 --> 01:35:04,560
Thank you, my formal introduction.

949
01:35:04,760 --> 01:35:08,180
My name's David Lucas and I work for the US

950
01:35:08,180 --> 01:35:10,880
especially in wildlife service, thank you, so on.

951
01:35:12,160 --> 01:35:14,600
Councilwoman, no, I mean, that was a very good description.

952
01:35:15,560 --> 01:35:18,140
The goal with our refugees is we try to avoid,

953
01:35:18,140 --> 01:35:19,820
you know, habitat impacts.

954
01:35:20,480 --> 01:35:24,780
So honestly, the majority of blue lines, but not all.

955
01:35:25,360 --> 01:35:30,060
It's fine, we're existing roadways that were on in place.

956
01:35:30,360 --> 01:35:31,960
As a part of us taking over the refugees,

957
01:35:32,120 --> 01:35:34,620
we were claimed many roads and restored many roads,

958
01:35:34,700 --> 01:35:36,940
but those roads were chosen to be left behind.

959
01:35:36,940 --> 01:35:40,000
So that was not what we considered new construction

960
01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:41,420
that needed to be sampled.

961
01:35:42,180 --> 01:35:45,780
Those trails were in place prior to this partner arrangement.

962
01:35:47,620 --> 01:35:51,820
So the purple lines were trails that needed to be construction

963
01:35:52,700 --> 01:35:54,840
and the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service agreed

964
01:35:54,840 --> 01:35:59,160
to do soil sampling as a part of that program.

965
01:35:59,940 --> 01:36:04,160
Since that sampling, that purple loop, Jeff,

966
01:36:04,160 --> 01:36:10,560
towards the top, that has been constructed out to the road, and there's a trail hit kind of right.

967
01:36:11,080 --> 01:36:14,640
You can see the road going up into the right about there somewhere.

968
01:36:14,840 --> 01:36:16,840
There's a trail hit and a parking lot in that country.

969
01:36:17,000 --> 01:36:18,460
So those have been constructed as well.

970
01:36:19,740 --> 01:36:23,200
So you have to be constructed from the the refuge side,

971
01:36:23,280 --> 01:36:28,160
not a part of your $3.9 million, but part of our funding will do that

972
01:36:28,160 --> 01:36:36,820
trail to the connection. It will in the Southwest corner create that through section 16 which is

973
01:36:36,820 --> 01:36:44,160
this system with grades and to also provide access over that way and then the one in the east

974
01:36:44,160 --> 01:36:53,640
to head up to Indian history. 52% of those purple lines, I have to have very specific numbers from

975
01:36:53,640 --> 01:37:00,580
the environmental assessment, 52% of those green lines are still on what we would consider

976
01:37:00,580 --> 01:37:06,720
past roadways without requiring any impacts to have a death.

977
01:37:09,170 --> 01:37:12,410
Okay, so just to clarify, and that's what I'm trying to determine, so this is very helpful.

978
01:37:12,410 --> 01:37:13,190
Thank you.

979
01:37:13,470 --> 01:37:19,990
Everybody for putting it together here, what is what is actually done, and because I was up

980
01:37:19,990 --> 01:37:23,610
and I'm planning to map and y'all can't do it.

981
01:37:23,610 --> 01:37:28,410
where the cursor was, yeah, but in that area, just north of that, I believe is where the

982
01:37:28,410 --> 01:37:31,910
Colton trailhead is. That's always trying to figure out where the west.

983
01:37:32,730 --> 01:37:39,410
Okay. That's by that SB 20 Jeff. Well, that our Colton trail is, it's on the gas

984
01:37:39,410 --> 01:37:45,150
arm as well. Yeah, yeah, it's off the, it's, it is, it is. So, um, Commissioner Loachman. Yeah,

985
01:37:45,150 --> 01:37:53,090
so our Colton trail, you want the southern southwest end of it is right here at this parking,

986
01:37:53,090 --> 01:37:57,510
this kind of informal parking area along the state highway 128. And then the formal

987
01:37:57,510 --> 01:38:06,450
Colton trailhead is located north along McCaslin, probably about a mile or so north

988
01:38:07,330 --> 01:38:13,130
at the intersection of Colton road in McCaslin in Superior. And so that's that's off the map

989
01:38:13,130 --> 01:38:18,070
on here to the north. Yeah, that's why I was trying to make sure I was looking at

990
01:38:18,070 --> 01:38:36,370
And I'm asking that because it looked to me like there were social trails and I saw folks crossing on their bikes on 128, you know, the whole time I was running from the formal trailhead to to that parking lot area.

991
01:38:36,370 --> 01:38:53,230
Okay. Okay. And so, so I'm looking at it from the standpoint of trail crossing and bike safety and having a really good friend just two weeks ago and build a county and the hitting run bike accident. And so, so I just want to make sure I'm looking at the correct things when we're talking about bicycle.

992
01:38:54,110 --> 01:38:54,430
Okay.

993
01:38:54,430 --> 01:39:02,250
Mark, could I pick up on that? Could you put the map up again, please?

994
01:39:03,010 --> 01:39:04,630
Same one. Yes, please.

995
01:39:07,770 --> 01:39:14,570
So my question is, how far is it from where the trail enters 128 currently?

996
01:39:15,370 --> 01:39:18,090
To where the underpass would be, a mile?

997
01:39:19,030 --> 01:39:24,230
So yeah, down here in this corner is the scale, you can see it.

998
01:39:24,230 --> 01:39:40,230
So yeah, we're looking at, it's going to be something over a little over a mile that we're talking about this spot right here, which is where the so currently as David mentioned that there aren't any trails that

999
01:39:40,230 --> 01:39:43,150
currently link directly to 128.

1000
01:39:43,610 --> 01:39:46,030
So you, this trailhead has the access

1001
01:39:46,030 --> 01:39:47,590
where it goes to 128 here.

1002
01:39:47,650 --> 01:39:50,430
And so then this distance, yeah,

1003
01:39:50,510 --> 01:39:52,790
going over there, you can look at this,

1004
01:39:52,790 --> 01:39:54,090
there's a mile right there.

1005
01:39:55,030 --> 01:39:57,230
So something over a mile, mile and a half,

1006
01:39:57,430 --> 01:39:57,890
between those.

1007
01:39:58,650 --> 01:39:58,870
Okay.

1008
01:39:59,370 --> 01:40:03,670
So here's, do you said that there's an informal parking area near

1009
01:40:03,670 --> 01:40:06,210
where the underpass would be eight?

1010
01:40:07,130 --> 01:40:16,650
What the underpass is going to be an attraction, but what about the safety of cars parking there to access the site from an informal trailhead right off the highway?

1011
01:40:18,430 --> 01:40:19,230
Yeah, I'll take that.

1012
01:40:19,330 --> 01:40:24,950
I think that's something that will need to be, we'll need to be working with our partners on that.

1013
01:40:24,950 --> 01:40:28,050
that's, this is within the seed out right of way.

1014
01:40:28,950 --> 01:40:31,130
And so we'll need to be working with them

1015
01:40:31,130 --> 01:40:35,830
about how does this interaction, how does this trail

1016
01:40:35,830 --> 01:40:39,170
and this crossing interact with that parking area?

1017
01:40:39,350 --> 01:40:40,250
So that'll be an important,

1018
01:40:40,250 --> 01:40:43,030
important next step of this process.

1019
01:40:44,110 --> 01:40:49,770
Yeah, unfortunately I've planned a number of trailheads

1020
01:40:49,770 --> 01:40:51,630
who have worked on them.

1021
01:40:53,090 --> 01:41:02,430
I would say that area there is a higher safety issue putting in a underpass will be a distraction.

1022
01:41:02,990 --> 01:41:10,070
Every bit as much as somebody traveling a mile, which won't happen very often to get to that area.

1023
01:41:10,710 --> 01:41:13,010
So for me, from a safety standpoint, it's kind of a wash.

1024
01:41:13,150 --> 01:41:16,390
And you can put it no parking size there, but you better be willing to enforce them.

1025
01:41:16,730 --> 01:41:19,310
And people will park on the far side of the no parking sign.

1026
01:41:19,310 --> 01:41:22,630
So, just to make sure Commissioner Jones,

1027
01:41:22,630 --> 01:41:24,030
I don't think we're saying that,

1028
01:41:24,030 --> 01:41:25,770
I mean, the area is already open for parking.

1029
01:41:25,910 --> 01:41:28,490
So we're not suggesting that it would be closed for parking.

1030
01:41:29,230 --> 01:41:33,130
Yeah, I, well, I don't know what the future brings for that,

1031
01:41:33,370 --> 01:41:36,190
but what I'm saying is if you put an underpass in there,

1032
01:41:36,470 --> 01:41:38,750
it will be an attraction for people to go there

1033
01:41:38,750 --> 01:41:40,530
to access both directions.

1034
01:41:41,670 --> 01:41:45,610
More than it is now, at least that's for my experience.

1035
01:41:46,210 --> 01:41:48,410
So, from a safety perspective, it's kind of a wash

1036
01:41:48,410 --> 01:41:51,970
and the scientists, which is more safe going on with it.

1037
01:41:52,390 --> 01:41:57,570
As you know Commissioner Jones, we have a number of new underpasses here in Louisville and some

1038
01:41:57,570 --> 01:42:02,010
of them have parking lots on them and some of them don't have a parking lots associated with them.

1039
01:42:02,450 --> 01:42:11,330
So you can get a variety of post construction activities depending on exactly how you plan that

1040
01:42:11,330 --> 01:42:14,550
parking lot and that parking situation between the trails.

1041
01:42:15,150 --> 01:42:22,470
Yeah. I appreciate that Jeff. This is kind of a destination and it would be a destination

1042
01:42:22,470 --> 01:42:26,250
a little bit different than their best in the most film, which you're in the city fabric.

1043
01:42:27,230 --> 01:42:33,270
But they are a big attract and so to the safety issue, I think you could say it's a wash.

1044
01:42:33,530 --> 01:42:34,910
Marty, do you have other questions?

1045
01:42:35,850 --> 01:42:40,770
Yeah, I had a couple of questions moving to kind of different topics here.

1046
01:42:40,770 --> 01:42:50,250
There was just one note on that last topic. I wondered, Andrew, did you in terms of fish in wildlife or gave

1047
01:42:51,390 --> 01:42:56,530
David Lucas? Do you have any comments in terms of parking as well? I know that that's something that you'll be working on

1048
01:42:57,450 --> 01:42:58,770
with this project,

1049
01:43:01,710 --> 01:43:06,070
just soon. I apologize. I had to jump up on still at the office in the

1050
01:43:06,070 --> 01:43:11,150
and the storm that hits you guys just hit me and started blowing the front door open and everything else.

1051
01:43:11,650 --> 01:43:13,250
So I close that. Sorry.

1052
01:43:13,730 --> 01:43:16,190
But in regards to the parking lots, I heard the conversation.

1053
01:43:17,290 --> 01:43:19,350
Fish and Wildlife is a part of our process.

1054
01:43:19,470 --> 01:43:23,810
Does plan improvements to the parking lot located off of 128,

1055
01:43:24,150 --> 01:43:25,550
assist with that.

1056
01:43:25,550 --> 01:43:28,970
My expectation would be working with federal highways

1057
01:43:29,830 --> 01:43:33,230
that they would put significant thought into the concern

1058
01:43:33,230 --> 01:43:36,210
that Councilman Jones is talking about right now.

1059
01:43:38,110 --> 01:43:41,870
That social parking lot at the moment is not a great, I agree with it.

1060
01:43:41,930 --> 01:43:43,910
It is not a great event, it's a location.

1061
01:43:44,770 --> 01:43:47,210
I know that CDOT is not particularly fond

1062
01:43:47,210 --> 01:43:50,430
of those social parking lots that are up and down highway 128,

1063
01:43:50,910 --> 01:43:51,770
but there are several.

1064
01:43:52,290 --> 01:43:53,890
There's one in the castle and there's one across

1065
01:43:53,890 --> 01:43:56,410
from the refuge entrance, there's another one.

1066
01:43:56,850 --> 01:44:00,230
At this location, there's another one further down by

1067
01:44:00,230 --> 01:44:06,010
in route, the wind towers. So there's definitely some work that needs to be done

1068
01:44:06,010 --> 01:44:12,390
along Highway 208 because, well, I mean, it's packed. It is packed for sunset views.

1069
01:44:12,570 --> 01:44:17,570
It's packed for recreation. It's one of the coolest spots that exist in this area, actually.

1070
01:44:19,190 --> 01:44:23,490
So probably one of the best spots to get a picture in a view of the flat irons. Sorry,

1071
01:44:23,590 --> 01:44:28,730
our folks in Boulder City proper, but it's a beautiful location and people enjoy it.

1072
01:44:28,730 --> 01:44:33,430
So we definitely need to make that a very high priority

1073
01:44:33,430 --> 01:44:37,690
if approved working with federal highways to figure out

1074
01:44:37,690 --> 01:44:40,730
how to best mitigate any safety hazard

1075
01:44:40,730 --> 01:44:43,190
to associated with parking at that location.

1076
01:44:43,490 --> 01:44:45,830
And they have done that very successfully here

1077
01:44:45,830 --> 01:44:48,550
with us on the flat project at the Rocky Mount Arsel.

1078
01:44:49,730 --> 01:44:54,770
We installed two, three new parking lots

1079
01:44:54,770 --> 01:44:58,230
on the perimeter of the Rocky Mount Arsel.

1080
01:44:58,230 --> 01:44:59,970
I'll chew a lot of 56 to have enough.

1081
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:29,980
Which is a very busy roadway, and one long ninety six to Avenue. And that was a coordination with the city of Denver and the city of Commerce City and all the folks that are traffic engineers necessary to, and they know all that stuff, point one miles from the nearest light and this perimeter, and they created the access to make those locations and those turns very safe. So I'm confident, I guess, that by bringing federal highways into the program, we will get some expertise and probably a lot of it.

1082
01:45:29,980 --> 01:45:33,100
on how to deal with the traffic side of it?

1083
01:45:37,400 --> 01:45:42,100
I think at some point that may be a question of just how would something like that?

1084
01:45:42,320 --> 01:45:48,460
I mean, we're here to the request is to prove an IGA and so I don't know that some of these questions

1085
01:45:48,460 --> 01:45:56,120
around safety, signage, things like where those, how those would fit in and so we'll come back to us.

1086
01:45:56,340 --> 01:45:58,980
I'll connect to staff as some of the specific questions.

1087
01:45:58,980 --> 01:46:12,700
And here later on in the conversation I'm sure I did have a couple other questions I just wanted to bring up in regards to the assessments that were done there was one noted in regards it and I believe it was on this slide that was talking about 2004.

1088
01:46:12,700 --> 01:46:23,320
Or if I've got my notes correct here, as far as levels of the levels of impact studies.

1089
01:46:23,920 --> 01:46:27,710
And there was one noted for November of 2020 that was the fauncy.

1090
01:46:28,740 --> 01:46:39,800
And so it's just curious about how that level of study was chosen versus an environmental assessment or an environmental impact study.

1091
01:46:42,780 --> 01:46:46,100
I wonder if David would be willing to answer that.

1092
01:46:46,680 --> 01:46:49,180
So the, I think the question is,

1093
01:46:50,100 --> 01:46:52,840
so I pulled up, I might have confused things,

1094
01:46:53,320 --> 01:46:58,860
Commissioner Loachman, but I pulled a map from 2021 study

1095
01:46:58,860 --> 01:47:01,600
that was done on invasive species.

1096
01:47:01,760 --> 01:47:05,660
And I pulled them that map out just to illustrate

1097
01:47:05,660 --> 01:47:10,440
the location of the Zurich Tallgrass Prairie Habitat

1098
01:47:10,440 --> 01:47:13,280
that's one that we, in our department,

1099
01:47:13,880 --> 01:47:18,440
recognizes as just having really high biodiversity traits.

1100
01:47:18,780 --> 01:47:21,320
And so I pulled that image, that map,

1101
01:47:21,380 --> 01:47:25,620
that had a 2004 date, just to illustrate the location

1102
01:47:25,620 --> 01:47:27,580
of where the trail would be in relationship

1103
01:47:27,580 --> 01:47:30,600
to this really high biodiversity habitat.

1104
01:47:31,120 --> 01:47:34,720
That again, we all, in our department,

1105
01:47:34,920 --> 01:47:35,960
are very concerned about.

1106
01:47:35,960 --> 01:47:56,980
But then the, if you want a question or if you have a question about the level of environmental review EA versus EIS from the NEPA side for the Trail project and Ms. Flapp Grant that's probably better for David to answer I think.

1107
01:47:56,980 --> 01:48:01,920
Yeah, and I think also Jeff, you did have a slide just noting that if you want to bring that up.

1108
01:48:01,920 --> 01:48:08,920
Yeah, I'll go get that while maybe David can speak about it just for a second here.

1109
01:48:10,100 --> 01:48:16,140
But it's a wonderful question. So basically, when people ask you about

1110
01:48:16,820 --> 01:48:22,180
EA's environmental assessments versus EIS's environmental impact statements, they are ultimately

1111
01:48:22,180 --> 01:48:30,020
referring to the National Environmental Policy Act or Neva. Neva is a requirement on federal actions.

1112
01:48:30,020 --> 01:48:51,440
So this project obviously has that nexus in two ways, one, we are talking about a connection to a federal national wildlife refuge, but also the grant itself is for federal funding so that that creates kind of dual dual federal nexus for this project.

1113
01:48:52,420 --> 01:49:01,520
NEPA is a law that requires us to analyze impacts to the both that human and natural environment.

1114
01:49:03,360 --> 01:49:07,060
So, there are several different processes within NEPA.

1115
01:49:07,360 --> 01:49:09,140
There are categorical exclusions.

1116
01:49:10,180 --> 01:49:16,960
Therefore, it has been determined that no further analysis is required if there is a categorical excuse.

1117
01:49:16,960 --> 01:49:24,040
Then the next step generally, if you're not categorically excluded, is you move to an environmental assessment.

1118
01:49:24,960 --> 01:49:42,280
An environmental assessment is a tool that is used to analyze if there will be significant impacts to the human and natural environment that would warrant development of an environmental impact statement.

1119
01:49:42,280 --> 01:49:45,040
So, it's a somewhat tiered system.

1120
01:49:45,400 --> 01:49:47,300
If a categorical exclusion exists,

1121
01:49:48,180 --> 01:49:49,520
you need to go no further.

1122
01:49:50,140 --> 01:49:51,900
If an environmental assessment says

1123
01:49:51,900 --> 01:49:53,800
that there will be no significant impact,

1124
01:49:54,160 --> 01:49:55,440
you need to go no further.

1125
01:49:56,780 --> 01:49:59,960
The most robust is an environmental impact statement.

1126
01:50:00,080 --> 01:50:00,900
When you believe,

1127
01:50:01,600 --> 01:50:03,380
and you need to analyze what

1128
01:50:03,380 --> 01:50:05,680
significant impact these exist

1129
01:50:05,680 --> 01:50:06,980
and document those.

1130
01:50:07,260 --> 01:50:09,480
NEPA is obviously a very public process

1131
01:50:09,480 --> 01:50:14,620
For environmental assessments, including this one, there was public review and public comment.

1132
01:50:16,620 --> 01:50:21,400
And maybe that's enough, but there's kind of three years to meet them.

1133
01:50:21,620 --> 01:50:29,580
But I guess what I would also include is there is a lot of supporting documentation that goes into your need by analysis.

1134
01:50:30,060 --> 01:50:36,840
There's cultural review, so we did, we had archaeologists walk all these trail proposed trail routes,

1135
01:50:36,840 --> 01:50:42,680
We reviewed previous cultural resource studies under the Endangered Species Act.

1136
01:50:42,900 --> 01:50:48,090
We had to do formal consultation under Section 7 of the Endangered Species Act, which meant

1137
01:50:48,620 --> 01:50:55,920
that our office had to create a biological assessment that was then presented to the Colorado

1138
01:50:55,920 --> 01:51:00,760
Field Office for the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service and they issued a biological opinion

1139
01:51:01,720 --> 01:51:08,500
determined that we would not have impacts. Once again, significant impacts on threatened and

1140
01:51:08,500 --> 01:51:13,180
endangered species under the federal and endangered species act. There's wetlands, reviews,

1141
01:51:14,000 --> 01:51:19,460
there are air quality reviews, there's lots of supplementary reviews that are kind of feeding

1142
01:51:19,460 --> 01:51:26,940
into the ultimate environmental assessment. And as stated, this document that was signed off in November

1143
01:51:26,940 --> 01:51:35,640
2020, our original director issued a finding of no significant impact based upon the environmental

1144
01:51:35,640 --> 01:51:38,420
assessment that was completed for this project.

1145
01:51:39,220 --> 01:51:39,680
Okay.

1146
01:51:39,980 --> 01:51:44,000
And that was an awful lot of information that we're trying to summarize, hold me, but.

1147
01:51:44,200 --> 01:51:44,800
Great.

1148
01:51:45,080 --> 01:51:45,340
Yeah.

1149
01:51:45,500 --> 01:51:49,240
And that's what I wanted to just clarify and find out where we were in those different

1150
01:51:49,240 --> 01:51:49,560
levels.

1151
01:51:49,660 --> 01:51:50,160
So thank you.

1152
01:51:50,220 --> 01:51:51,080
I appreciate that.

1153
01:51:51,900 --> 01:51:54,560
And I had one other question.

1154
01:51:54,560 --> 01:51:57,720
And then it might, and I'm kind of think of who was it was still.

1155
01:51:58,800 --> 01:52:02,680
And Dr. Bina and maybe Jason, I can't remember,

1156
01:52:03,840 --> 01:52:04,700
right on expert.

1157
01:52:05,840 --> 01:52:09,980
Can you translate the, there was a few different terms

1158
01:52:09,980 --> 01:52:12,580
that were used in the difference on the slides of Raidon

1159
01:52:12,580 --> 01:52:18,580
and Platonium in regards to Millerrim, her year at a 620

1160
01:52:18,580 --> 01:52:21,320
and now and then the Raidon levels, which I understand

1161
01:52:21,320 --> 01:52:27,900
as like a four pico, what's the translation of that? And if we need to go back to one of the slides,

1162
01:52:28,060 --> 01:52:31,840
so I can get the correct terminology. I'm happy to do that, but y'all might hear a commission.

1163
01:52:32,720 --> 01:52:36,510
So, you know, Bill's the expert in the radiation. I'm certainly happy to talk about

1164
01:52:37,180 --> 01:52:41,300
health risks associated with those levels of radiation. It's good luck. Okay.

1165
01:52:41,300 --> 01:52:51,460
Now, when we talk about pico-curries per gram, that's the concentration of the radioactive

1166
01:52:51,460 --> 01:52:52,660
material.

1167
01:52:53,400 --> 01:53:04,170
So, that tells us, you know, if we pull up a sample of soil out of rocky flats, that in

1168
01:53:04,170 --> 01:53:11,670
one gram of soil, there will be 1.1 pico-curries of radioactive material.

1169
01:53:11,670 --> 01:53:19,550
Now, that doesn't tell us what dose of radiation we're going to get.

1170
01:53:19,910 --> 01:53:29,730
We have to do a conversion and so, depending on which radioactive material and its specific isotope it is,

1171
01:53:30,010 --> 01:53:34,850
that translates to how much exposure our body receives.

1172
01:53:34,850 --> 01:53:41,230
So, fecal curries program is how much of the material you get,

1173
01:53:42,170 --> 01:53:46,230
milligrams is how much of an exposure your body receives.

1174
01:53:47,170 --> 01:53:51,210
And so, you know, it both are important to know,

1175
01:53:51,970 --> 01:53:55,150
but from a public health standpoint from a health impacts,

1176
01:53:55,910 --> 01:53:57,890
we're really concerned about the dose.

1177
01:53:59,190 --> 01:54:01,810
And so, the dose is the milligrams.

1178
01:54:01,810 --> 01:54:13,830
And I know I'm a bit of a broken record on it, but it doesn't matter what radio

1179
01:54:13,830 --> 01:54:20,110
nuclei you get that dose from. There are three types of ionizing radiation. There's

1180
01:54:20,110 --> 01:54:26,930
gamma rays. There's beta particles and there's alpha particles. And plutonium is primarily

1181
01:54:26,930 --> 01:54:33,450
in alpha particle of midterm. It's, um, if I'm remembering my chemistry exactly right, two protons,

1182
01:54:33,810 --> 01:54:41,970
two neutrons and it's a fairly low energy particle, meaning it can't travel very far and it

1183
01:54:41,970 --> 01:54:48,710
doesn't penetrate very well. So alpha emitters, you can shield yourself from them with a sheet of paper.

1184
01:54:50,370 --> 01:54:54,450
So alpha emitters, whether it's plutonium, whether it's the rate on in your home,

1185
01:54:54,450 --> 01:55:00,430
the route of exposure that we're most concerned with is inhalation or ingestion.

1186
01:55:01,650 --> 01:55:05,270
If it's just on your skin, it's not getting through your skin.

1187
01:55:06,070 --> 01:55:11,450
And so what we worry about with plutonium, what we worry about the rate on is breathing it in, that

1188
01:55:11,450 --> 01:55:18,910
particle getting trapped in your lungs and now those alpha particles can damage the cells from inside your body.

1189
01:55:22,290 --> 01:55:30,790
And I before I go further, does that answer your question or do we need to go further on that?

1190
01:55:31,030 --> 01:55:32,070
Yeah, not the end up.

1191
01:55:32,230 --> 01:55:32,930
Thank you.

1192
01:55:33,350 --> 01:55:39,910
And I was just trying to translate into something that I understand, which would be an EPA limit of right on it for 0.1.

1193
01:55:41,310 --> 01:55:48,050
But I don't know how that translates to 620 milligrams per year.

1194
01:55:48,490 --> 01:55:51,810
And so what I hear in your say, there's a level, and then it's the effect to the body.

1195
01:55:53,190 --> 01:55:54,450
Does that even translate?

1196
01:55:56,230 --> 01:55:57,070
Otherwise, I can...

1197
01:55:57,070 --> 01:55:58,990
Yeah, like it's a couple.

1198
01:55:59,250 --> 01:55:59,990
Go ahead, Chris.

1199
01:56:00,630 --> 01:56:04,770
I think the best way to look at a commissioner is when you compare milligrams and that's

1200
01:56:04,770 --> 01:56:10,910
that's the bill is talking about. The dosage, you have to compare it to things that we commonly

1201
01:56:10,910 --> 01:56:19,110
see in our environment like a CT scan or a chest X-ray. Chest X-ray gives you 10 milligrams of exposure.

1202
01:56:19,970 --> 01:56:27,030
So those are chest X-ray is not a benign thing. So that's important to compare us when Bill talked

1203
01:56:27,030 --> 01:56:33,570
about those numbers being extremely low there. They're there. But the exposure in terms of the dosage

1204
01:56:33,570 --> 01:56:40,090
admit, if you inhale or ingest them, comparing that to chest aches, we have 10 milligrams.

1205
01:56:41,370 --> 01:56:49,450
The average boost in Colorado, as you know, is very clearly stated, is significant when we

1206
01:56:49,450 --> 01:56:55,450
live in higher altitude and in a background radiation rate on in Colorado. So. Thank you.

1207
01:56:56,770 --> 01:57:01,850
And I just am thank you fellow commissioners for being so patient. There was one other question I

1208
01:57:01,850 --> 01:57:06,910
I had an in regards to one of the, and I don't know if it was that condition.

1209
01:57:07,570 --> 01:57:11,830
Some are that you shared in your presentation that was talking about death monitoring.

1210
01:57:13,830 --> 01:57:18,550
And I just was curious, there's two, there was like a four point slide.

1211
01:57:18,930 --> 01:57:24,610
One of them was about death monitoring, and I was just curious about what that means.

1212
01:57:25,030 --> 01:57:31,310
And how it's going to be regulated, how are we accountable to it if death monitoring is it.

1213
01:57:31,310 --> 01:57:37,450
why is the level, what does that mean, what can the community expect? And or when will that be

1214
01:57:37,450 --> 01:57:43,370
decided when will we hear about that as not just the board but also the public? And then there

1215
01:57:43,370 --> 01:57:48,570
was another notation in regards to relevant plans and it was kind of the same question about

1216
01:57:49,870 --> 01:57:55,990
when do those pieces get actually detailed and or is that something that we'd be talking about today?

1217
01:57:55,990 --> 01:58:02,370
Yeah, we wouldn't be talking about today, it's, I guess, dependent upon saying a tour of this

1218
01:58:02,370 --> 01:58:09,110
IGA, but I'll have Andrews step in here in just a second to talk about the dust monitoring

1219
01:58:09,110 --> 01:58:15,610
and I can even try to pull up that document, so something that the Jefferson County Commissioners

1220
01:58:15,610 --> 01:58:24,470
included when they discussed this item was this request for additional dust monitoring during

1221
01:58:24,470 --> 01:58:31,010
construction of the trail crossing so if approved that the idea overall we would move forward

1222
01:58:31,010 --> 01:58:39,670
with that particular provision. And there's there's still in discussion as to the I think

1223
01:58:39,670 --> 01:58:44,950
there I'm going to let Andrew speak to this more elegantly than I can. But basically if the

1224
01:58:44,950 --> 01:58:49,010
IGA is approved we would move forward and also wait into some of those other components that

1225
01:58:49,010 --> 01:58:53,710
have to do with implementation and there will be other documents and intergovernmental

1226
01:58:53,710 --> 01:59:01,930
agreements that may come forward and staff would continue to be involved in those discussions and providing updates to the board.

1227
01:59:02,490 --> 01:59:08,190
So, I know you can much more elegantly explain the dust monitoring project.

1228
01:59:08,830 --> 01:59:09,710
Sure, thanks, Summer.

1229
01:59:10,210 --> 01:59:15,930
So, as Summer mentioned, this is a requirement that one of our commissioners requested for.

1230
01:59:15,930 --> 01:59:21,130
And so far at this point, we have a scope of work

1231
01:59:21,130 --> 01:59:26,630
and it's being led by Jason Andrews and engineering analytics.

1232
01:59:28,890 --> 01:59:33,450
And on kind of broad terms, the project is to install

1233
01:59:33,450 --> 01:59:40,110
dust monitors, so real-time particulate matter monitors.

1234
01:59:40,110 --> 01:59:59,310
At the locations where construction is taking place, and then as a function of the residual contamination that we kind of categorize at this point in the soils, we can understand health risk as a function of how much dust is being suspended into the air.

1235
02:00:00,620 --> 02:00:20,860
That is a calculation. And what we will do to sort of validate those assumptions when we see how much PM is in the air, we will actually capture all the PM in the sensors and then take that for laboratory analysis to sort of validate our assumptions.

1236
02:00:22,320 --> 02:00:30,440
We have a two-page scope of work with engineering analytics and an air monitor and specialist.

1237
02:00:31,660 --> 02:00:34,140
Also a local consulting student, Ajax analytics.

1238
02:00:35,320 --> 02:00:38,740
They do a lot of work in Brimfield, OIL and Gas, air monitoring.

1239
02:00:40,300 --> 02:00:48,840
And we've had at this point we've had comments and reviewed by CDPHE and we're also happy to share the scope of work

1240
02:00:48,840 --> 02:00:52,940
with Boulder County Public Health and anybody else that is interesting.

1241
02:00:54,400 --> 02:00:56,980
Again, it's a short scope of work.

1242
02:00:57,400 --> 02:01:00,020
We will have a formal, fully fleshed out work plan,

1243
02:01:00,680 --> 02:01:04,080
assuming the IGA goes forward and we're ready to do an actual project.

1244
02:01:05,520 --> 02:01:07,180
Okay, so that I just want to clarify.

1245
02:01:07,460 --> 02:01:10,460
That was one of the, there was a couple questions from public comment as well

1246
02:01:10,460 --> 02:01:12,440
in regards to that request.

1247
02:01:12,960 --> 02:01:14,960
So to clarify that for folks, I think it's helpful.

1248
02:01:15,100 --> 02:01:15,720
I appreciate that.

1249
02:01:15,720 --> 02:01:22,100
It sounds like then that will be, that's not written in the IGA, but it'll be part of and other.

1250
02:01:22,840 --> 02:01:30,820
Is it, would you say everybody that's working on this in the agreement with addressing that's monitoring some way?

1251
02:01:34,000 --> 02:01:44,100
I want to go back and look at the languages, but it's in our, I know it's in Jefferson County's resolution, and I'm not sure if we updated the IGA with that same language,

1252
02:01:44,100 --> 02:01:50,360
but we've had a partner group discussion with about this specific issue and you know we

1253
02:01:50,360 --> 02:01:57,660
doesn't kind of understand that this would be another joint effort funded by the funded by the

1254
02:01:57,660 --> 02:02:04,200
partners but we're all sort of on board with the ones that we have. Andrew, I can jump in there.

1255
02:02:04,280 --> 02:02:10,740
I'm Hilary Merritt, the Deputy Director at Jefferson County Open Space. The draft IGA has been updated

1256
02:02:10,740 --> 02:02:17,340
to include the dust monitoring and it is included in the resolution that the Jefferson County

1257
02:02:17,340 --> 02:02:23,840
Commissioner has approved back in December. Okay, thank you. That's all the questions I have

1258
02:02:23,840 --> 02:02:35,300
right now. Thank you. Blair, do you have questions? For you, thank you. And thank you, Marta, for

1259
02:02:35,300 --> 02:02:40,880
exploring a lot of the questions really thoroughly. So I'll be able to condense mine a little bit.

1260
02:02:42,000 --> 02:02:47,240
And unfortunately, though, I am going to have to ask you for some of my questions to go back

1261
02:02:47,240 --> 02:02:51,760
to some of the slides that you were on. I didn't want to interrupt the questioning that was going

1262
02:02:51,760 --> 02:02:57,920
on to ask my questions. But let me start somewhere else, maybe.

1263
02:02:57,920 --> 02:03:13,620
And actually maybe where we just left off on the IGA, I'm looking at staff's memo to us

1264
02:03:13,620 --> 02:03:20,240
for this presentation on page three where it talks about the fiscal impact of the proposed IGA.

1265
02:03:20,240 --> 02:03:38,460
And it's got a for Boulder County share that totals 89,894 dollars, there's a TBD line there for, yeah, is that what you're referring to with the dumpster is that something else?

1266
02:03:38,740 --> 02:03:40,420
No, I think that's it.

1267
02:03:40,420 --> 02:03:55,680
Okay. Okay. So that I guess we don't know the upshot is that right now for our decision on whether to approve this IGA or not.

1268
02:03:56,080 --> 02:03:59,380
We don't actually know the total cost of it.

1269
02:04:01,140 --> 02:04:07,780
It's like Andrew's raised his hand to speak to that.

1270
02:04:07,920 --> 02:04:11,720
Yeah, for the military scoping, it's about a $60,000 effort.

1271
02:04:11,960 --> 02:04:12,460
That wouldn't split.

1272
02:04:14,120 --> 02:04:19,400
Yeah, and how is that proposed to be shared along the parties to the idea?

1273
02:04:20,140 --> 02:04:22,820
I think we would use the same formula that we could use

1274
02:04:22,820 --> 02:04:28,720
to like the matches for the cash fund functions of,

1275
02:04:31,280 --> 02:04:36,260
um, so we haven't been to paper on this,

1276
02:04:36,680 --> 02:04:42,800
but older Jackson County is kind of picking up the tab for both sides. So I think

1277
02:04:43,520 --> 02:04:50,120
folders might be around $10,000, uh, but let me, let me give you some better numbers on that.

1278
02:04:50,560 --> 02:04:55,580
Okay. Um, well, well, Perks could enough. I just didn't know whether we were, when I read this

1279
02:04:55,580 --> 02:05:02,520
about contaminant monitoring. I didn't know if we were talking about a major project or not. But

1280
02:05:02,520 --> 02:05:10,160
that range, okay, that's so that tells me, you know, it's not going to totally blow the budget apart.

1281
02:05:11,780 --> 02:05:17,760
I think there was, there was also some language, and now I actually don't, oh, I think it was

1282
02:05:17,760 --> 02:05:24,500
in the draft IGA that was attached. I don't know if there's an updated version of it that reflects

1283
02:05:24,500 --> 02:05:36,100
this. Let me see if I can find it here it is. It refers, I believe it's the IGA that

1284
02:05:36,100 --> 02:05:42,740
or it might be the memo that refers to the need for a third intervention agreement to cover

1285
02:05:42,740 --> 02:05:52,220
maintenance operation and ownership of the crossing. So, what would be envisioned there? Again,

1286
02:05:52,220 --> 02:05:58,260
And I'm asking just to make sure that I understand the full scope of what it is we're approving right now in what might.

1287
02:05:58,420 --> 02:06:02,400
What the unknown is might be in the future if we go down this path.

1288
02:06:05,370 --> 02:06:07,190
I'm happy to weigh in on that.

1289
02:06:07,210 --> 02:06:08,890
I believe the reason we didn't.

1290
02:06:09,150 --> 02:06:11,370
Hillary, excuse me, you're going to have to identify yourself.

1291
02:06:11,630 --> 02:06:13,410
So then I personally are who's in the course.

1292
02:06:13,710 --> 02:06:16,570
Hillary Merritt, deputy director, Jeff Co. Open space.

1293
02:06:17,310 --> 02:06:24,750
The reason that we did not include the management and maintenance in this IGA is this is a five

1294
02:06:24,750 --> 02:06:31,610
party IGA and we did anticipate that maintenance and management and ownership might be something

1295
02:06:31,610 --> 02:06:37,250
that would be split and perhaps the portion that was in Boulder County and the portion that's

1296
02:06:37,250 --> 02:06:42,870
in Jefferson County might be split apart. So it wouldn't be a single agreement for those.

1297
02:06:43,370 --> 02:06:48,330
But we're still in kind of negotiations about that. The none of that has been decided at this point.

1298
02:06:49,490 --> 02:06:54,710
And what would be included in maintenance and operation here?

1299
02:06:55,990 --> 02:07:06,070
You know, I don't know, maybe repaving if you're looking at an underpass periodic, kind of graffiti removal, that type of thing.

1300
02:07:06,290 --> 02:07:10,250
I don't know that it's going to be a heavy amount of maintenance.

1301
02:07:10,330 --> 02:07:16,230
There's probably different level of maintenance on the bridge portion, which is part of the reason why we're talking about

1302
02:07:16,230 --> 02:07:18,250
be separating those out into two agreements.

1303
02:07:19,210 --> 02:07:20,050
Okay, thank you.

1304
02:07:21,570 --> 02:07:24,430
And while we're on this subject, on this subject,

1305
02:07:26,950 --> 02:07:30,450
then what role does C dot have in approving

1306
02:07:30,450 --> 02:07:30,790
this?

1307
02:07:30,790 --> 02:07:35,570
Because we're going to, if this goes forward, we're going to be tunneling under their road.

1308
02:07:36,850 --> 02:07:46,210
Do they have any additional tests or assessments that need to be done in order to

1309
02:07:46,210 --> 02:07:51,850
to do this action with Highway 128 or I don't know actually

1310
02:07:51,850 --> 02:07:54,090
if Indiana is the state highway, but 128?

1311
02:07:56,560 --> 02:07:58,380
Yeah, I think I could probably speak that.

1312
02:08:00,080 --> 02:08:04,020
So at the point that we're assuming we move forward,

1313
02:08:04,480 --> 02:08:06,740
we have a fully active community idea with all the partners.

1314
02:08:07,360 --> 02:08:10,160
The project actually gets handed over to federal highways

1315
02:08:10,160 --> 02:08:11,700
for the project delivery.

1316
02:08:12,440 --> 02:08:16,360
And C dot would be issuing permits for construction

1317
02:08:16,360 --> 02:08:17,860
and all the rest.

1318
02:08:19,040 --> 02:08:23,040
We've had when we first went after the grant.

1319
02:08:23,440 --> 02:08:25,840
We had discussions with CDOT, so they understand

1320
02:08:25,840 --> 02:08:28,600
that this is a project on their radar.

1321
02:08:29,360 --> 02:08:35,240
And in fact, a member of their executive committee

1322
02:08:35,240 --> 02:08:38,460
was on the board for approval of the flat.

1323
02:08:38,600 --> 02:08:40,200
There was a three-person committee.

1324
02:08:40,700 --> 02:08:43,580
One of them was a representative from CDOT.

1325
02:08:43,580 --> 02:08:49,580
So they're aware of this and like I said, they're a highways, we can project manager and see

1326
02:08:49,580 --> 02:08:53,630
that I would issue any permits that they've even invested in creating and all the rest.

1327
02:08:54,360 --> 02:09:02,200
Okay, so they would accept the sampling and the results of that. That was already done

1328
02:09:02,200 --> 02:09:08,800
pursuant to the commissioners resolution and any other sampling that's been done. Okay,

1329
02:09:08,800 --> 02:09:18,040
You, all the sampling that has been done and they're finding or similar to the VHG that the sites do not require any special things.

1330
02:09:18,600 --> 02:09:28,360
Okay. Now I have some questions that are going to go maybe back over a little bit of ground that the commissioner allowed to mean covered.

1331
02:09:29,600 --> 02:09:38,360
And maybe Jason could come back on with his slides that showed the samples and what

1332
02:09:38,360 --> 02:09:50,460
standards were met along that linear chart that you had Jason if are you able to share your screen and pull that back up.

1333
02:09:53,520 --> 02:10:00,760
I didn't, I just wanted you to just maybe walk through the implication of the fact that

1334
02:10:00,760 --> 02:10:07,720
it looked like the Indiana side didn't, yeah, I think you've got that, that's the one.

1335
02:10:07,720 --> 02:10:14,000
So for

1336
02:10:16,110 --> 02:10:19,470
the Indian industry crossing,

1337
02:10:21,670 --> 02:10:38,710
I guess what you're finding to be significant is the fact that it's below the clean up standard of 50 people carries program, is that what is ultimately important here.

1338
02:10:40,350 --> 02:10:42,850
Yes, this is Jason Andrews engineering analytics.

1339
02:10:44,610 --> 02:10:45,230
That's correct.

1340
02:10:46,190 --> 02:10:49,950
When we look at these numbers here,

1341
02:10:50,270 --> 02:10:52,730
the right column is the one that's really the driver, right?

1342
02:10:52,730 --> 02:10:54,630
The cleanup standard is what was established

1343
02:10:55,910 --> 02:10:59,430
for the current use of this land.

1344
02:11:00,230 --> 02:11:01,630
And so that's the driver.

1345
02:11:01,750 --> 02:11:03,950
The other ones are more informational

1346
02:11:03,950 --> 02:11:09,750
as far as how they relate to past sampling efforts in that regard.

1347
02:11:10,630 --> 02:11:19,250
And so, the project samples for the worker or the middle line where your cursor actually is,

1348
02:11:19,670 --> 02:11:21,250
or maybe that's mine, or that's yours.

1349
02:11:22,650 --> 02:11:26,070
That's wildlife, well, what do you see what that is?

1350
02:11:26,730 --> 02:11:32,010
That's wildlife refuge worker, PRG, preliminary remediation goal.

1351
02:11:33,360 --> 02:11:43,860
Okay, oh, I see it down there at the footnote and so why is that number so much lower than the clean up standard?

1352
02:11:44,680 --> 02:11:53,360
Yeah, that's that's a good good question and just as a point of clarification. I'm not a I'm not a risk assessor, so

1353
02:11:53,920 --> 02:11:55,480
That comes in here.

1354
02:11:57,890 --> 02:12:04,850
The preliminary remediation goal is when you're doing risk assessment work, there's there's different levels of goals and different levels of the risk

1355
02:12:05,750 --> 02:12:17,050
Right, so if we go down to the footnote for the cleanup standard, the risk level that was established here was five times in the minus six risk for a wildlife worker.

1356
02:12:17,750 --> 02:12:26,750
That wildlife refuge worker PRG value of 9.3 was a one times 10 to the minus six risk assessment.

1357
02:12:26,750 --> 02:12:50,130
So you look at a range when you establish a risk assessment, and there's a process that's conducted as part of this, the work, and through a series of different discussions with different risk assessors and different risk scenarios, a number is agreed to as far as a clean up standard at the end of the day, with that associated there.

1358
02:12:50,130 --> 02:12:52,250
So that's the difference there.

1359
02:12:52,350 --> 02:12:54,070
There's also some differences as far as scenarios

1360
02:12:54,070 --> 02:12:57,190
and risk use related to that.

1361
02:12:57,790 --> 02:12:59,650
So like I said, not a risk assessor, I don't know,

1362
02:12:59,850 --> 02:13:04,490
if Dr. Abina or Mr. Hayes has any other input

1363
02:13:04,490 --> 02:13:08,850
as far as risk and how that risk number is calculated there.

1364
02:13:09,810 --> 02:13:13,310
Well, yeah, I might appreciate a little bit more explanation

1365
02:13:13,310 --> 02:13:19,050
on that because so the project sample mean.

1366
02:13:20,650 --> 02:13:29,570
And the historic maximum, I'm not sure, I really care about the historic maximum there.

1367
02:13:31,290 --> 02:13:41,070
But if there's a standard for somebody who, I guess that's, that's if you're going to be on site 230 days per year,

1368
02:13:42,270 --> 02:13:48,290
then the standard would be 9.3 people carries program.

1369
02:13:50,610 --> 02:13:54,650
And unfortunately, it's a little more muddled than that.

1370
02:13:55,250 --> 02:13:55,950
That's standard.

1371
02:13:56,090 --> 02:14:02,090
Really, the main reason we had that 9.3 Pico carriers program was that was when we established

1372
02:14:02,090 --> 02:14:07,130
our sampling in analysis plan, we wanted to make sure that our detection limits were low enough

1373
02:14:07,130 --> 02:14:18,270
to cover the range of risks that were looked at when the risk was done back then.

1374
02:14:18,270 --> 02:14:25,470
back in 2017 or back back back back when it was originally set in the Kaiser Hill Report in the 2006 report in the DOE report.

1375
02:14:27,650 --> 02:14:32,150
So that's, that's where the 9.3 came from. We wanted to throw that we wanted to make sure that was in there in the SAAP.

1376
02:14:32,350 --> 02:14:38,330
We wanted to establish when we did our laboratory controls that we were able to meet that value in there.

1377
02:14:39,610 --> 02:14:47,710
And then from that point forward that value was used in our report when looking at the data.

1378
02:14:47,710 --> 02:14:52,670
But it's not, it was not a clean-up center that was, was ever established or utilized.

1379
02:14:53,470 --> 02:14:57,670
It was part of the risk range when they were looking at risk assessments in that process.

1380
02:14:58,850 --> 02:14:59,970
So was the clean-up state?

1381
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:25,160
Senator established on the assumption that this would be open to the public and the public would be recreating and recreating in a way when you're writing a bike and you're kicking up a lot of dust in your breathing pretty heavily. Was that clean of standard of 50 peak of curries programs on the assumption of access or was that the, well, we'll clean it up as well as we can, we'll call it good.

1382
02:15:26,730 --> 02:15:36,710
There were, there were a number of inputs that went into that and I don't, I apologize at this point time I had not gone back and reviewed the inputs into that model.

1383
02:15:38,130 --> 02:15:41,990
As far as usage goes for that model,

1384
02:15:44,840 --> 02:15:47,380
every model is running a little differently when you're looking at risk, right?

1385
02:15:47,380 --> 02:15:50,480
and there are certain assumptions as far as dust and elation,

1386
02:15:50,700 --> 02:15:55,960
the size of the individual, the age and demographics of that individual that's using that.

1387
02:15:56,180 --> 02:15:58,640
So I'd have to go back and review that to give you a better answer for that.

1388
02:16:00,400 --> 02:16:05,840
Okay, I, you know, Dr. Vina was part of the TDPHG at the time of this, so you might have some more

1389
02:16:05,840 --> 02:16:07,740
more insights as far as what we were into that risk.

1390
02:16:07,740 --> 02:16:15,060
Okay, yeah, I'm just looking for what level of assurance. You know, I know that we've been,

1391
02:16:15,060 --> 02:16:22,460
really trying to focus just strictly on the underpass. And, you know, and the undoubted safety

1392
02:16:22,460 --> 02:16:27,980
of going under a highway rather than running or, you know, run your bike across it. But, you know,

1393
02:16:28,120 --> 02:16:36,280
we are people are going to be exposed to something and then just trying to understand the safety of it.

1394
02:16:36,600 --> 02:16:39,060
Commissioner, Chris, are being a hair. Yeah, thank you.

1395
02:16:39,280 --> 02:16:44,080
So I'm going to ask Bill to pull up his slide with the risk associated with the worker

1396
02:16:44,080 --> 02:16:47,260
on on site, uh, Bill, you had that slide.

1397
02:16:48,740 --> 02:16:52,000
Well, I'm going to have to ask Jeff to pull up that slide.

1398
02:16:53,400 --> 02:16:56,960
And then while he's doing that, I just thank you, um, Dr.

1399
02:16:57,040 --> 02:17:01,800
Vena and Bill, Mr. Hayes for covering that topic and just to note that Lindsay

1400
02:17:01,800 --> 02:17:05,900
masters with, uh, the call of department of public health environment was on this call.

1401
02:17:05,940 --> 02:17:11,520
To help answer some of those questions, but she had a jump off, um, to, um,

1402
02:17:11,520 --> 02:17:18,020
help take care of some kiddos, but we can also reply back with even further information of

1403
02:17:18,020 --> 02:17:25,880
that's necessary after Bill and Chris's review here. Okay. Yeah, and Jeff, that slide 34,

1404
02:17:26,040 --> 02:17:28,240
I think that's the one we want.

1405
02:17:31,180 --> 02:17:33,500
So Bill, could talk us through this, because I think this is

1406
02:17:33,500 --> 02:17:40,620
important, and I think Commissioner, I think the issue is when at various stages of opening,

1407
02:17:40,620 --> 02:17:48,040
closing the refuge, excuse me, closing rocky flats, and clean up one set of risk assessments.

1408
02:17:48,920 --> 02:17:58,880
Opening up the refuge to people, to access another risk assessment. Currently, the next risk

1409
02:17:58,880 --> 02:18:06,440
assessment is basically, you know, are we in assessing these crossings? And so Bill walk us through

1410
02:18:06,440 --> 02:18:17,480
one and how these calculations were done and based on our current level of pico curies in the soil

1411
02:18:17,480 --> 02:18:27,020
on the refuge not the containment unit. Yeah and I will back up a bit you know that 50 pico curie

1412
02:18:27,020 --> 02:18:35,040
per gram cleanup limit you know I wasn't at all involved in the negotiations that led to that number

1413
02:18:35,040 --> 02:19:03,100
But you know, I was there when they were going on and, you know, certainly it was a negotiation and a debate and, you know, early on the cleanup level was being proposed at much lower than that and then the costs started coming in and the feasibility really started coming in that you could, you know,

1414
02:19:03,100 --> 02:19:09,980
spend hundreds of billions of dollars and it's just still not technically feasible to get,

1415
02:19:09,980 --> 02:19:16,420
you know, every last bit of plutonium off of that site. So when they finally settled on that,

1416
02:19:17,140 --> 02:19:25,720
50 peak of periods per gram, clean up limit, there was some consideration of what future use

1417
02:19:25,720 --> 02:19:32,200
is might be proposed, but at that time when that limit was set, it was not set with the expectation

1418
02:19:32,200 --> 02:19:40,700
that it would be open as a wildlife refuge for recreation to the public. And so as Jason Andrews was

1419
02:19:40,700 --> 02:19:49,020
saying, then when you started considering these additional uses and alternative uses,

1420
02:19:50,120 --> 02:20:00,400
you have to look at that risk assessment for each different visitor use worker how long they might be

1421
02:20:00,400 --> 02:20:09,380
and we talked about earlier that right now the average concentration of plutonium at rocky flats

1422
02:20:09,380 --> 02:20:18,480
in the soil would be expected to yield one in one million additional cancer cases. I don't

1423
02:20:18,480 --> 02:20:26,260
know I'd have to go back and look to see exactly what levels were considered for these various

1424
02:20:26,260 --> 02:20:32,280
scenarios, you know, sometimes it's one in a million, sometimes it's 10 in a million, sometimes

1425
02:20:32,280 --> 02:20:38,980
it's 100 in a million. And not just for plutonium, but any toxin in the environment that we might

1426
02:20:38,980 --> 02:20:46,820
be exposed to that you start that risk assessment with what is the acceptable level. Often the

1427
02:20:46,820 --> 02:20:55,180
acceptable level for an occupational exposure is higher than for the general public. And a lot of that

1428
02:20:55,180 --> 02:21:06,500
in to choice. And so for an exposure to the public where they don't have a choice, and

1429
02:21:06,500 --> 02:21:13,140
might not be aware and might not have the ability to guard against it, you go with a much

1430
02:21:13,140 --> 02:21:21,340
lower, acceptable risk threshold. So that this certainly plays into, and I don't again

1431
02:21:21,340 --> 02:21:28,320
know exactly what those thresholds were for each of these cases, but the adult refuge worker

1432
02:21:28,320 --> 02:21:37,540
I would expect had a higher acceptable threshold than that for the visitors. And so again,

1433
02:21:38,420 --> 02:21:46,560
when you, but these numbers, these milligrams exposures don't, it doesn't matter what that

1434
02:21:46,560 --> 02:21:57,360
threshold is. These are the doses, the radiation exposures that these individuals would expect

1435
02:21:57,360 --> 02:22:10,400
to receive in a year at Rocky Flats. And again, you know, 0.3 milligrams per year is,

1436
02:22:15,700 --> 02:22:16,120
you know,

1437
02:22:16,120 --> 02:22:25,840
is relative to 620. So I can get that. So these calculations, this is a standard, it's just a math

1438
02:22:25,840 --> 02:22:37,520
problem for translate the pico-curries program into milligrams per year. Is that just simple math,

1439
02:22:38,000 --> 02:22:46,100
and it's consistent, and it's a knowledge formula? Yeah. I wouldn't say it's the most simple

1440
02:22:46,100 --> 02:22:54,200
math, but the modeling. It's essentially, you know, it is a fairly complex model of, you know,

1441
02:22:54,820 --> 02:23:02,580
what you're doing at the site, what that dosage is going to be, but it is a standard protocol

1442
02:23:02,580 --> 02:23:10,380
for how to perform that calculation. Yes. Okay. All right. Thank you. And so these numbers, the point

1443
02:23:10,380 --> 02:23:16,340
three, the point two, the point zero seven, and I guess the child is higher than the adult,

1444
02:23:16,400 --> 02:23:24,640
because the child's closer to the ground, maybe. But those numbers are those based on that

1445
02:23:24,640 --> 02:23:32,320
average across the whole site of all the testing sites of 1.1 peak of curries program.

1446
02:23:32,820 --> 02:23:40,360
Yes, that is based on the average. And Dr. Vena, you might be able to explain that a little bit

1447
02:23:40,360 --> 02:23:49,520
better, but a child receives a larger dose more because of their biology.

1448
02:23:50,620 --> 02:23:55,620
Oh, I see. Okay. And then you can do their size and inhalation and

1449
02:23:55,620 --> 02:24:04,320
oxygen. So that they're inhaling more per square area than an adult would be. So I see

1450
02:24:04,320 --> 02:24:08,300
Yeah, long capacities, so there are areas concentrated.

1451
02:24:09,000 --> 02:24:10,080
So it is a little higher.

1452
02:24:10,340 --> 02:24:12,840
The same thing is true for medications and other things as well.

1453
02:24:13,840 --> 02:24:22,160
So my interest in these numbers was that that's based on this 1.1 peak of periods

1454
02:24:22,160 --> 02:24:28,640
program, which is an average across the whole area not the, you know,

1455
02:24:28,640 --> 02:24:33,040
and there's undoubtedly a lot of variation in the site.

1456
02:24:33,040 --> 02:24:52,780
And yeah, certainly, and that's what engineering analytics sampling shows is that there is a great deal of variability across the site as to what the exposure would be.

1457
02:24:52,780 --> 02:24:58,800
But if you're traveling from, you know, one corner of the site to the other, you are going to

1458
02:25:00,540 --> 02:25:06,540
approach that 1.1 pico-curry program average for, you know, that's safe.

1459
02:25:07,140 --> 02:25:13,560
Okay. I think I have two more questions. Can I jump in on that one? I have a related question,

1460
02:25:13,720 --> 02:25:19,660
do you mind? Yeah, no, go ahead ahead. So there was a sample taken when they were trying to do

1461
02:25:19,660 --> 02:25:24,920
looking at the potential road on the east side. Not far north of this Indiana trail

1462
02:25:24,920 --> 02:25:34,260
ahead of it. 264 pico-grams, the pico-curious program in it. They did follow-up

1463
02:25:34,260 --> 02:25:38,240
sampling sort of several step-out sampling, which means you sample around the area

1464
02:25:38,240 --> 02:25:40,400
and they didn't find anything that high.

1465
02:25:42,880 --> 02:25:47,860
But how do we know there aren't high values like

1466
02:25:47,860 --> 02:25:52,400
But I know the averages far lower than that, but how do we know that those don't exist elsewhere?

1467
02:25:54,750 --> 02:25:56,130
Jason, could you talk about that?

1468
02:25:56,250 --> 02:25:59,070
Because we dress that when we talk about this in Greenfield.

1469
02:25:59,490 --> 02:26:06,750
And that was the purpose of taking multiple samples in addition to the over 7,000 samples that have been in the past.

1470
02:26:07,650 --> 02:26:07,850
Okay.

1471
02:26:07,950 --> 02:26:15,230
I just make one note to on this that CDPHE provided a memo related to that anomalous sample and then a revised memo.

1472
02:26:15,230 --> 02:26:22,070
And unfortunately, Lindsey Masters is not on, Andrew might be able to provide a little bit

1473
02:26:22,070 --> 02:26:28,330
of context and I'll try to pull that memo up, but the long story short is there analysis

1474
02:26:28,330 --> 02:26:34,790
based upon that sample was that even if that sample existed in other parts of the refuge,

1475
02:26:35,550 --> 02:26:40,970
we would still be under CDPGs standard for exposure.

1476
02:26:40,970 --> 02:26:49,370
So let me pull that up and I didn't know the Andrew PM me comments on that as well, and unfortunately Lindsay's not on here. She like I mentioned she had to step away

1477
02:26:50,770 --> 02:26:58,050
Yeah, I would just add a little clarification on that as Summers said they looked at that

1478
02:26:59,730 --> 02:27:01,010
very high

1479
02:27:01,010 --> 02:27:02,790
single sample

1480
02:27:02,790 --> 02:27:10,210
As if that was the average across the entire site not just that it might exist elsewhere

1481
02:27:10,210 --> 02:27:19,470
But they did an analysis of if that extremely unusually high sample was the average across the entire state.

1482
02:27:19,590 --> 02:27:30,630
A site and still found it to be lower than the state's limit for additional dose beyond background in a year.

1483
02:27:30,630 --> 02:27:40,330
Just to remind her, I know we've been on for almost two hours, but it folks could say their names and where you're out from again. I mean, even I'm having trouble finding out who's talking and somebody's thank you.

1484
02:27:40,490 --> 02:27:43,490
Sorry, that was Bill Hayes with public health.

1485
02:27:44,270 --> 02:27:44,590
Thank you.

1486
02:27:44,930 --> 02:27:45,710
Good. Good reminder.

1487
02:27:46,730 --> 02:27:48,910
Matt, did you have more on that issue? I had to work.

1488
02:27:49,310 --> 02:27:49,350
Question.

1489
02:27:50,490 --> 02:27:50,930
Okay.

1490
02:27:51,010 --> 02:27:51,450
Question.

1491
02:27:52,210 --> 02:27:53,670
Yeah. So just two more.

1492
02:27:54,230 --> 02:27:58,150
And I don't know if you need to pull up the slide again.

1493
02:27:58,150 --> 02:28:05,630
but it might be helpful actually on the the overall layout going back to the discussion about the existing

1494
02:28:06,390 --> 02:28:11,870
parking lot along 128 and where the proposed underpass is.

1495
02:28:15,690 --> 02:28:20,110
I didn't want to pile on because at the time that we were talking about it before because I thought

1496
02:28:20,110 --> 02:28:28,530
Well, I would do as confused things, so the one above that may be,

1497
02:28:34,600 --> 02:28:36,620
yeah, yeah, well,

1498
02:28:37,140 --> 02:28:42,180
I'll ask my question, you can just, which slide is the best slide for it.

1499
02:28:42,380 --> 02:28:54,600
So I guess I thought, so there is, you're saying that there is a trailhead that is not an informal trailhead.

1500
02:28:54,600 --> 02:29:03,180
is a trailhead. There is a trailhead closer to the castland there with some parking access

1501
02:29:03,180 --> 02:29:08,660
and that currently exists. I couldn't tell whether what we're talking about is something

1502
02:29:08,660 --> 02:29:15,980
that's informed or whether there's a formal development trailhead in a parking area there.

1503
02:29:18,240 --> 02:29:22,720
Let me, can you see this map of the regional connection?

1504
02:29:23,700 --> 02:29:25,200
So this might help.

1505
02:29:25,680 --> 02:29:33,500
So if you can see my cursor, so I'll be on the right now I'm on the, you know,

1506
02:29:33,620 --> 02:29:37,560
where the flap underpass would be.

1507
02:29:37,920 --> 02:29:41,900
And now I'm going to follow up Colton Trail existing trail.

1508
02:29:41,900 --> 02:29:51,100
And then this location right here, I'm not totally sure commissioner leaving this book.

1509
02:29:51,320 --> 02:29:59,960
That's not talking about the map of the Wildlife Refuge and the circumference sort of.

1510
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:07,020
Of trail, we were talking about, no, no, no, I'm not.

1511
02:30:07,020 --> 02:30:09,240
One with a purple, a few such trails.

1512
02:30:10,440 --> 02:30:15,380
Yeah, that one work. Yep. Let me get that one. That's right.

1513
02:30:16,220 --> 02:30:17,120
Here, maybe.

1514
02:30:17,800 --> 02:30:18,500
There you go.

1515
02:30:19,100 --> 02:30:25,280
Yeah, so up along that Fuchsia, follow 128 towards McCaslin.

1516
02:30:25,560 --> 02:30:28,740
And we've been talking about, yeah, right there.

1517
02:30:28,740 --> 02:30:33,420
We've been talking about an access. Is there a parking there?

1518
02:30:35,380 --> 02:30:40,960
Well, there's this, there's the formal trailhead that is on the Rocky

1519
02:30:40,960 --> 02:30:44,820
Flatston National Wildlife Refuge about where I have the cursor right now.

1520
02:30:45,360 --> 02:30:50,380
Yes. That's a formal trailhead, and is that, is there a parking with that trailhead?

1521
02:30:50,820 --> 02:30:55,540
Absolutely. There's parking there. Okay, and that's allowed. It's not just informal

1522
02:30:55,540 --> 02:31:00,900
No, no, no, no, it's got a trailhead, there's signage. I'm speaking for David's

1523
02:31:01,780 --> 02:31:17,300
Facility. By the way, this is Jeff Moline of Mola Park's an open space. But yeah, I'm I'm describing David's facility. I should let him if he'd like that. No, that's okay. Okay. So I'm okay. So that's what I'm so what we're so for people who are going to

1524
02:31:17,300 --> 02:31:25,520
drive to the

1525
02:31:25,520 --> 02:31:26,960
they went out there to do,

1526
02:31:27,480 --> 02:31:30,900
that's a place where they will come to and they will park.

1527
02:31:32,260 --> 02:31:35,440
And so the underpass that we're proposing

1528
02:31:35,440 --> 02:31:39,920
that is proposed under 128 is really just

1529
02:31:39,920 --> 02:31:41,720
for trail connection purposes.

1530
02:31:41,720 --> 02:31:48,200
Is that right to get people from this greenway

1531
02:31:48,200 --> 02:31:52,420
from the wildlife refuge onto the Colton Trail

1532
02:31:52,420 --> 02:32:01,720
hence north. Is that correct? That's a great way of saying it I think yes. Okay and so what

1533
02:32:01,720 --> 02:32:08,820
I what got me confused is Commissioner Jones's questions about you know the distance from that

1534
02:32:08,820 --> 02:32:18,020
parking lot to down the road there to where that underpass is. I guess the point of that is that

1535
02:32:18,020 --> 02:32:23,840
But there isn't currently a trail that goes out to 128 from where the underpass would be.

1536
02:32:23,860 --> 02:32:28,760
And if you rode out to that trailhead, and then you wanted to get on the Colton Trail,

1537
02:32:29,020 --> 02:32:30,740
you'd have to ride on 128.

1538
02:32:31,580 --> 02:32:34,280
Is that what that is about?

1539
02:32:37,370 --> 02:32:37,650
Yeah.

1540
02:32:38,270 --> 02:32:44,790
I mean, so currently, again, and David, please jump in if I'm mistating this.

1541
02:32:44,790 --> 02:32:49,890
but currently the existing trail system ends in here.

1542
02:32:50,390 --> 02:32:51,970
Of course, it proceeds further south,

1543
02:32:52,690 --> 02:32:54,530
but in terms of heading to the northwest,

1544
02:32:54,910 --> 02:32:56,530
it ends in this vicinity here.

1545
02:32:57,230 --> 02:33:01,910
So if somebody wanted, it parked at this northern part

1546
02:33:01,910 --> 02:33:04,210
of Rocky Flats National Wildlife Refuge

1547
02:33:04,210 --> 02:33:08,010
and wanted to get access onto the Colton

1548
02:33:08,010 --> 02:33:10,670
or high plain trails, whether they're located over here.

1549
02:33:10,670 --> 02:33:30,790
Currently, they would need to, you know, they would need to get out on to state highway 128 and write it over to that location. Yeah. Okay. So my last question and thank you for giving me all this time. My last question is traffic counts.

1550
02:33:32,850 --> 02:33:43,490
We don't have any traffic counts on 128, and also do we have any projections of the usage.

1551
02:33:44,290 --> 02:33:48,370
I think we talked about this once, but I don't recall that we had any numbers.

1552
02:33:49,170 --> 02:33:54,890
I think we were talking in very, very sort of qualitative terms of how this will be really attractive.

1553
02:33:54,890 --> 02:34:04,350
and it'll get high use, but I just wonder whether we've done any studies of how many people

1554
02:34:04,350 --> 02:34:12,030
will be probably using this underpass and what the traffic situation is on 128.

1555
02:34:12,550 --> 02:34:19,470
I know I used to, when I lived in Southland where I used to ride the old Morbal Bismarck

1556
02:34:19,470 --> 02:34:28,770
route and one thing I loved about it was 128 didn't have a whole lot of traffic. I didn't

1557
02:34:28,770 --> 02:34:34,130
do it at rush hour or anything, but it didn't have a ton of traffic and it has nice wide

1558
02:34:34,130 --> 02:34:42,300
shoulders. So I was kind of wondering what if we have any traffic numbers? So I'm going to have to

1559
02:34:42,300 --> 02:34:44,660
for on the traffic numbers,

1560
02:34:46,920 --> 02:34:52,460
the auto traffic numbers on state highway 128, I'm not aware

1561
02:34:52,460 --> 02:34:57,500
of those numbers. I'm certain we could get those, but there could be people on the call

1562
02:34:57,500 --> 02:35:06,140
that would be able to answer that. And then we do have numbers about visitation at, for example,

1563
02:35:07,240 --> 02:35:19,000
Rocky flats, you know, the wildlife refuge. So we, we can, we, and again, we would, we'd have people on the call that could answer some of those questions. So maybe I'll stop sharing and we'll see if we can.

1564
02:35:19,500 --> 02:35:21,640
Okay. Yeah, get some of those.

1565
02:35:21,720 --> 02:35:24,260
See through some folks that could answer some of those questions.

1566
02:35:24,720 --> 02:35:35,500
And the reason I'm asking is I feel like the primary rationale for this is that it will just make it safer if we're really going to see this as a through route as a true regional trail.

1567
02:35:35,500 --> 02:35:41,880
That's a through route that the reason to go through all this trouble is to make it safer.

1568
02:35:42,740 --> 02:35:47,380
And so I'm just wondering, how dangerous, how dangerous is it?

1569
02:35:49,320 --> 02:35:49,500
Yeah.

1570
02:35:49,860 --> 02:35:55,460
And I think part of it too, Commissioner Levy is, is the speeds involved too.

1571
02:35:55,460 --> 02:36:01,620
So this, you know, state highway is not, you know, a residential street in one of our towns.

1572
02:36:01,860 --> 02:36:04,440
It's a state highway and so speeds are high.

1573
02:36:04,440 --> 02:36:12,560
So that's one consideration, and I don't know if Andrew or David might have just a little bit of information on traffic count numbers.

1574
02:36:12,560 --> 02:36:14,640
I don't know if they do or not.

1575
02:36:15,520 --> 02:36:20,700
I don't have a specific data. Sorry, so this is Andrew Valdez, Jefferson County open space.

1576
02:36:21,600 --> 02:36:31,700
So we did build the end traffic kind of numbers into the grant proposal, but one of the reasons why this project was selected and competed so well

1577
02:36:31,700 --> 02:36:38,000
because it would augment non-motorized multimodal access to a destination.

1578
02:36:39,460 --> 02:36:46,960
So, you know, I wouldn't presume to say that it would reduce traffic, but it will

1579
02:36:46,960 --> 02:36:55,300
supplement the existing particular access with equitable multimodal non-motorized access.

1580
02:36:55,460 --> 02:37:01,200
And without this project, the design, the destination, which is a, you know, a generator,

1581
02:37:01,200 --> 02:37:08,580
It is a destination. We'll have more than a little office. We'll not have more than a little office.

1582
02:37:11,610 --> 02:37:16,250
I guess I would, this is David Lucas, U.S. Fish and a little. I would chime in just a little.

1583
02:37:17,190 --> 02:37:24,970
As a part of the environmental assessment, we did review some data on visitation, on the adjacent open space plans.

1584
02:37:24,970 --> 02:37:29,590
I cannot cite those numbers for you right now, Commissioner, on exactly what they are.

1585
02:37:29,590 --> 02:37:34,250
But there are visitor surveys that are taking place on the cold trail to the north.

1586
02:37:34,730 --> 02:37:36,230
It's being used pretty vividly.

1587
02:37:36,510 --> 02:37:44,810
There are a pretty detailed assessment completed by Westminster on what they call Westminster Hills open space.

1588
02:37:45,410 --> 02:37:47,770
That's the space over by the Indiana crossing.

1589
02:37:48,990 --> 02:37:51,770
The greenway currently goes through that area.

1590
02:37:52,290 --> 02:37:57,410
And I will say that this is a biased number because there also happens to be a dog park nearby.

1591
02:37:57,410 --> 02:38:06,270
And I think a lot of people utilize the green way to get to said dog park, but they ticked in at 1.1 billion visits last year.

1592
02:38:06,650 --> 02:38:15,970
It was a major increase due to COVID, but also a significant number regardless of any of our open spaces. That's a big number.

1593
02:38:16,750 --> 02:38:25,770
And then the refuge, I believe we are at in the 40s, 40,000 for you right now, so they're being used as recreational locations.

1594
02:38:26,230 --> 02:38:27,830
So I think Andrew's point is very valid.

1595
02:38:28,870 --> 02:38:36,970
We don't want to oversell any trail as fixing traffic problems or become, you know, I don't envision thousands of people

1596
02:38:36,970 --> 02:38:39,810
to work the other green way. It's a long way.

1597
02:38:41,930 --> 02:38:47,750
But they definitely are being used so the traffic

1598
02:38:47,750 --> 02:38:54,550
is there. And the risk is there. The highway 128 corridor is very fast. It's also very

1599
02:38:54,550 --> 02:39:00,930
killy. You're going through a big drainage there. And there are an awful lot of bicyclers utilizing

1600
02:39:00,930 --> 02:39:08,470
it right now to get from source A to source B and we have heard from many many of our visitors that

1601
02:39:08,470 --> 02:39:15,310
those connections are important because one of the goals of the greenway was specifically to

1602
02:39:15,310 --> 02:39:22,390
try to provide off-road trail routes and that was a very big challenge for us as we moved across the

1603
02:39:22,390 --> 02:39:28,770
city and as you can imagine and working our way through two bonds and past the Stanley Lake Library

1604
02:39:28,770 --> 02:39:37,250
and all the way around Stanley Lake, it would have been far easier and there was plenty of recommendations to go ahead and just, you know, put a bike line on the side of the road.

1605
02:39:38,690 --> 02:39:49,210
But one of the goals is to get people that safe off-road experience. Obviously, they still probably have to use a vehicle sometimes to get from point A to point B. They'll have to cross a street here or there.

1606
02:39:49,490 --> 02:39:57,790
But by and large, the trail is getting very much off-road without crossing. So that's, to me, I think that's one of the big goals is to just,

1607
02:39:57,790 --> 02:40:02,730
We know that people are parking there. We know they're across the fences. We know they're taking advantage of the trails.

1608
02:40:02,990 --> 02:40:09,970
We know they're using these areas to make it safe and facilitate that in a property way.

1609
02:40:12,670 --> 02:40:16,750
Commissioners, I can pull up the information on the Colton trailhead.

1610
02:40:17,690 --> 02:40:23,870
If you're interested, we're not, we don't have visitation numbers for the exact segment of the trail.

1611
02:40:23,870 --> 02:40:31,230
But just in terms of visits to the Colton Trailhead, which is that trailhead on McCaslin, if you'd like.

1612
02:40:32,570 --> 02:40:42,870
I can pull that up. It's, we get 37, and in 2019, we got 37,900 visits to that particular trailhead.

1613
02:40:43,650 --> 02:40:49,870
Roughly 4,000, almost 5,000 visits in June, the busiest month for the whole month.

1614
02:40:50,550 --> 02:40:54,770
Okay, yeah, thank you, Jeff, I don't have any more questions.

1615
02:40:54,930 --> 02:40:56,210
Thanks so much.

1616
02:40:58,200 --> 02:41:00,680
Well, thank you for hanging in on this.

1617
02:41:01,080 --> 02:41:02,640
The answer to all these questions.

1618
02:41:03,460 --> 02:41:06,520
I'm glad the Colton trails being used to help make it that right away.

1619
02:41:06,680 --> 02:41:09,020
It's a good thing.

1620
02:41:10,580 --> 02:41:20,100
My point clear on the safety issue on the road is was it was pointed out that some people are going out to the road and

1621
02:41:20,100 --> 02:41:22,800
cutting down the road to make the connection,

1622
02:41:23,360 --> 02:41:25,060
which is unsafe, which it is.

1623
02:41:26,400 --> 02:41:28,240
Although I will say there are a lot of people

1624
02:41:28,240 --> 02:41:30,580
that still write that Marvel Bismarck loop

1625
02:41:31,600 --> 02:41:34,360
with this just by the type of bike they're on.

1626
02:41:34,620 --> 02:41:35,900
It's a fun route.

1627
02:41:37,220 --> 02:41:40,620
And now it's safe to go down 93 and it didn't use to be.

1628
02:41:41,380 --> 02:41:44,260
I'll take your word for it.

1629
02:41:44,380 --> 02:41:48,660
But what struck me is having worked on the daddy draw

1630
02:41:48,660 --> 02:41:54,380
for instance, as parking signs, no parking signs are in there because of work and I and another staff

1631
02:41:54,380 --> 02:41:58,680
member did getting Boulder County to put them in and trying to get the sheriff to enforce it,

1632
02:41:58,920 --> 02:42:03,340
which they had other Ferris Fester Frya, they told us, then trying to get the Rangers to enforce it

1633
02:42:03,340 --> 02:42:10,120
and get them special dispensation to do that. It is a management headache and a danger.

1634
02:42:11,100 --> 02:42:17,000
And by putting this underpass in with this informal access area in the road shoulder,

1635
02:42:17,000 --> 02:42:19,820
you are creating that.

1636
02:42:20,900 --> 02:42:24,500
So yes, it's unsafe for people to make the connection and go on to the road.

1637
02:42:24,600 --> 02:42:26,920
It's also unsafe where they're going to park.

1638
02:42:27,460 --> 02:42:30,300
And it's going to be a management issue forever.

1639
02:42:32,180 --> 02:42:36,960
So I just wanted to balance perspective on road safety with that.

1640
02:42:36,980 --> 02:42:39,780
And that's why I made that point.

1641
02:42:40,380 --> 02:42:49,780
Yeah, so we'll leave that one there and I already asked the one on the 264pc here as per Graham, thanks for letting me jump in.

1642
02:42:51,620 --> 02:42:55,400
Jeff, you talked about this. Can you bring back up that back with the tall grassberry?

1643
02:42:56,220 --> 02:43:02,160
Yeah. You are correct that prairie is very high, why would I have a quild life habitat?

1644
02:43:03,260 --> 02:43:07,300
And I am not surprised at all where the road was built up by sea,

1645
02:43:07,300 --> 02:43:13,140
that there's smooth-broomed anarchist for many years and they tell me it's changed. That is their

1646
02:43:13,140 --> 02:43:18,880
grasp of choice. It's a weedy grasp of monoculture. It is not great wildlife habitat.

1647
02:43:20,220 --> 02:43:26,920
But what my question is between the road right away and where this trail would leave another trail.

1648
02:43:27,320 --> 02:43:37,280
And by the way, we're, yes, we are in a clear, we are proving a flagrant that will lead to an

1649
02:43:37,280 --> 02:43:41,160
But what is the vegetation like in that way, area?

1650
02:43:41,300 --> 02:43:42,900
I assume it's pretty intact,

1651
02:43:43,020 --> 02:43:46,740
data of vegetation, just more repairing and type

1652
02:43:46,740 --> 02:43:49,420
and probably short grass or something like that.

1653
02:43:50,180 --> 02:43:52,300
That is not an assumption I would make.

1654
02:43:53,600 --> 02:43:56,540
So we would need to get David back on the line.

1655
02:43:56,760 --> 02:43:59,280
But if you want to look, so here's the map,

1656
02:44:00,080 --> 02:44:04,320
then let's go quickly back to this image

1657
02:44:04,320 --> 02:44:05,640
that I took just the other day.

1658
02:44:05,640 --> 02:44:10,060
So, of course, all of this embankment is all smooth grown, you can see it extending across.

1659
02:44:11,520 --> 02:44:16,280
And there's plenty of smooth grown across the way where this trail would go.

1660
02:44:16,700 --> 02:44:23,340
So this is all part of Rocky Flats, but I'm going to, I would let David, he'd like to

1661
02:44:23,340 --> 02:44:29,400
comment about where this connecting trail from the underpass that would now be on Rocky

1662
02:44:29,400 --> 02:44:29,800
Flats.

1663
02:44:29,880 --> 02:44:35,040
And of course, it's not subject to this IGA agreement, flat agreement, but would then

1664
02:44:35,040 --> 02:44:40,480
head back up to the hill there. So David, would you want to come in any more on that?

1665
02:44:41,240 --> 02:44:43,240
Well, I appreciate it that you had the map.

1666
02:44:43,680 --> 02:44:44,000
Okay.

1667
02:44:44,440 --> 02:44:46,040
No, don't go to the map. Stay always.

1668
02:44:46,680 --> 02:44:54,180
I appreciate it that you had the map because that was from an invasive species report and survey and monitoring that we just played over the last couple years and issued this year.

1669
02:44:55,980 --> 02:44:59,980
Again, there's two habitat types that we are particularly interested in.

1670
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:11,060
You're particularly on the shell. So that's that flat line in the horizon for you guys that don't know it well. That's the shelf and that's where most of your there is going to be up on the top.

1671
02:45:12,060 --> 02:45:20,900
And then the rocky flat saluvium, the rock, is what creates those shells and that goes down 40 to 200 to 400 feet down the hill.

1672
02:45:20,900 --> 02:45:27,360
It creates this unique feature where water will seep down from above on that flat land and

1673
02:45:27,360 --> 02:45:31,260
seep out the side and create those little dark spots like the cursors on.

1674
02:45:31,460 --> 02:45:35,760
Those seeps create a really neat habitat type that's important to a lot of species.

1675
02:45:36,920 --> 02:45:43,200
But it also is our second big habitat type, which has been named, and I'm not a botanist.

1676
02:45:43,900 --> 02:45:50,320
It's been named Tall Upline Shrubulent, and there's about 11 acres left on the planet all

1677
02:45:50,320 --> 02:45:58,080
the refuge. So we are avoiding those most certainly. But the habitat, specific in the photo

1678
02:45:58,080 --> 02:46:04,800
where the trail is going, you can almost make our road coming down the hill from up there

1679
02:46:04,800 --> 02:46:12,220
and kind of working its way down. So we would follow the old road, obviously, where it exists

1680
02:46:12,220 --> 02:46:17,160
and it kind of crosses, and then it comes down kind of on my screen where summer faces, but

1681
02:46:17,160 --> 02:46:22,780
everybody's a little different. On the right hand side and there would be a stream crossing

1682
02:46:22,780 --> 02:46:29,160
built in across across and then it would go back up towards where you see the culvert pipe

1683
02:46:29,160 --> 02:46:35,060
Jeff kind of on the left hand side. My understanding is right about there is where said culvert

1684
02:46:35,060 --> 02:46:44,760
would exit and come out. So it kind of follow a natural contour down to the bridge and come across

1685
02:46:44,760 --> 02:46:46,560
and go back up, that old Jeep Trail.

1686
02:46:47,060 --> 02:46:48,620
And these old Jeep trails were kind of created.

1687
02:46:49,460 --> 02:46:50,360
That's what's fascinating.

1688
02:46:50,640 --> 02:46:52,020
I don't want to take time for me, guys.

1689
02:46:52,520 --> 02:46:55,800
But if you think about what these lands looked like 100 years ago,

1690
02:46:55,880 --> 02:46:56,700
this was all cattle.

1691
02:46:56,740 --> 02:46:58,860
This was all crazed down to the note.

1692
02:46:59,740 --> 02:47:02,200
There were roads and fences all across all this stuff.

1693
02:47:02,480 --> 02:47:07,500
And this is all restored over the last 80 years,

1694
02:47:07,520 --> 02:47:10,140
to 100 years, because the Department of Energy

1695
02:47:10,140 --> 02:47:11,920
came in at Boston Land.

1696
02:47:11,920 --> 02:47:21,880
It's kind of a weird by-product, and those intact plants still exist and are managed to regenerate in many, many places.

1697
02:47:22,220 --> 02:47:27,220
Unfortunately, in this valley, the majority remains to be smooth-grown grass.

1698
02:47:28,920 --> 02:47:35,020
And we continue to try to work and figure out ways to deal with smooth-grown collectively across all of our organizations.

1699
02:47:35,020 --> 02:47:39,060
But the vast majority of this valley is still smooth, smooth,

1700
02:47:39,360 --> 02:47:44,280
brown, except for those seeps that are coming out.

1701
02:47:44,500 --> 02:47:51,020
Like I said, that have a whole lot of small shrubs and other species that,

1702
02:47:51,960 --> 02:47:55,820
I mean, there are 630 plant species identified on the rocky flats.

1703
02:47:56,180 --> 02:48:01,260
I believe they said something like 80% of the biodiversity is tied to those shrubland

1704
02:48:01,260 --> 02:48:03,020
complexes that you see there.

1705
02:48:03,020 --> 02:48:06,240
So, those are definitely a high priority.

1706
02:48:07,040 --> 02:48:10,240
We've now categorized those as sensitive wildlife areas in our planet

1707
02:48:10,240 --> 02:48:10,720
documents.

1708
02:48:10,940 --> 02:48:12,620
They're several sensitive wildlife areas.

1709
02:48:12,660 --> 02:48:17,140
But that 11 acres of polyp on shrub is obviously something that's extremely interesting

1710
02:48:17,140 --> 02:48:21,000
for us to protect and we would not put a trail through it.

1711
02:48:21,340 --> 02:48:27,980
So we're basically following a Jeep trail off that pediment and then coming down, following

1712
02:48:27,980 --> 02:48:33,000
that Jeep trail down the valley and crossing the bridge, coming back up on the north

1713
02:48:33,000 --> 02:48:35,000
side and exiting by that culvert pipe.

1714
02:48:38,480 --> 02:48:39,000
Thank you.

1715
02:48:39,060 --> 02:48:40,060
Thank you.

1716
02:48:40,060 --> 02:48:41,300
This is Jeff Mulling.

1717
02:48:42,360 --> 02:48:47,560
David, you've had Dr. Buckner working on some of your vegetation analysis, too, correct?

1718
02:48:48,300 --> 02:48:48,580
Yes.

1719
02:48:48,720 --> 02:48:53,400
He actually participated in this report that you have the map from.

1720
02:48:53,420 --> 02:48:53,620
Okay.

1721
02:48:54,340 --> 02:48:54,460
Yeah.

1722
02:48:54,460 --> 02:48:55,600
And I've talked today a bit.

1723
02:48:56,540 --> 02:48:56,700
Yeah.

1724
02:48:57,200 --> 02:49:01,440
He certainly, the expert and kind of explained to you how, you know, two million years ago,

1725
02:49:01,440 --> 02:49:06,460
something pyroplastic occurred and dumped off his rocky flats aluminum out here and the importance

1726
02:49:06,460 --> 02:49:13,620
of this habitat type and the unfortunate part that this habitat type existed in many, many, many

1727
02:49:13,620 --> 02:49:19,420
more places up and down the front range and I have been destroyed now and that this this last

1728
02:49:19,420 --> 02:49:26,160
about 2,500 air acres of goods there tall grass exist in this location.

1729
02:49:26,160 --> 02:49:30,620
There's a little bit on the west side of 93, but the vast majority is on the east side of 93.

1730
02:49:32,340 --> 02:49:38,540
And you guys helped with the protection of that in 2011 and 2012 when we purchased an additional square mile.

1731
02:49:39,100 --> 02:49:44,560
And we purchased all the outstanding mineral rights along that area, under Zaryn Tolgrass.

1732
02:49:44,800 --> 02:49:47,320
Boulder County was a participant, Jefferson County was a participant.

1733
02:49:47,900 --> 02:49:52,020
So that means now we can't get more aggregate minds coming in and chopping up our Zaryn.

1734
02:49:53,430 --> 02:49:58,190
You're right David, that was interesting, and they helped do the sex and sex thing.

1735
02:49:59,470 --> 02:50:06,430
It was quite, I didn't know if it could get done, and everybody had a great job to do that and keep things intact.

1736
02:50:07,190 --> 02:50:11,030
Plus, there are other open space areas that have the Zurich Congress as well.

1737
02:50:12,010 --> 02:50:17,730
But in any case, I'm off the topic at hand, and I don't have any more questions.

1738
02:50:17,850 --> 02:50:20,390
I know that's probably a relief to all of you.

1739
02:50:21,670 --> 02:50:31,110
So, we'll go to deliberation and a vote if somebody wants to make a motion, or if you just want to say what you're thinking, your choice.

1740
02:50:31,750 --> 02:50:34,290
I actually still have a question if that's okay.

1741
02:50:35,630 --> 02:50:35,770
Yep.

1742
02:50:37,770 --> 02:50:50,290
And thank you, everybody, for all of the feedback and the responses and walking through from different angles, some of the similar themes and trying to get some of the public comments as well.

1743
02:50:50,290 --> 02:50:54,550
through those questions, so appreciate all of that information.

1744
02:50:56,990 --> 02:51:07,310
I was glad to hear that there was some conversation and it sounds like kind of go back and forth a little bit in regards to the question on the desk monitoring.

1745
02:51:08,110 --> 02:51:10,290
And so one of the questions I had was around signage.

1746
02:51:11,050 --> 02:51:17,290
And if there is an opportunity to add in any language around signage for

1747
02:51:17,290 --> 02:51:23,530
for in this IGA, the same way that it sounds like there's been an amendment to, I'm not in the

1748
02:51:23,530 --> 02:51:29,810
dust monitoring. And if so, what would that look like? And or is there a commitment that we could get from,

1749
02:51:30,630 --> 02:51:37,550
at least from the Boulder County side, we're on our portion, around the underpasses, etc., to

1750
02:51:37,550 --> 02:51:43,870
one address signage of just bike safety. And then the other one, I think, is just as important.

1751
02:51:43,870 --> 02:51:51,770
and I would love to hear how we might be able to encourage, if we can't mandate, but encourage

1752
02:51:51,770 --> 02:51:59,830
are the partners on this to also include some signage. Meaning, on some of our other open space

1753
02:51:59,830 --> 02:52:06,050
in other areas around Boulder County, when you go on a trail, there's like the Orman Roach, for

1754
02:52:06,050 --> 02:52:11,350
example, when you go walking down there, there's a sign that tells you the story of how you used to be

1755
02:52:11,350 --> 02:52:17,410
able to get down to Union Station from Boulder and from that area, from an educational standpoint

1756
02:52:19,310 --> 02:52:23,490
from a information, yeah, thank you for bringing that up.

1757
02:52:23,630 --> 02:52:28,670
We saw this in one of our pre, I think maybe at an onboarding conversation,

1758
02:52:30,730 --> 02:52:32,910
and in this

1759
02:52:32,910 --> 02:52:49,870
time, broken up into maybe four readable sections along my walk would be with a, with a, with a graphic. There's some really important history and there's also really important education for folks who don't know this area.

1760
02:52:50,570 --> 02:53:02,890
And so I would just love to get a response and find out what kind of conversation around that piece has happened and how that might fit into the ideas and amendment and or what we might be able to talk about from a commitment.

1761
02:53:02,910 --> 02:53:06,190
from Boulder County, but also from partners.

1762
02:53:08,450 --> 02:53:09,690
Yeah, thank you for this question.

1763
02:53:10,190 --> 02:53:12,290
Commissioner Luchamine, this is Summer Law's policy

1764
02:53:12,290 --> 02:53:13,790
and I'll send the Commissioner's office.

1765
02:53:14,670 --> 02:53:17,650
And what I have up here on the screen is the,

1766
02:53:17,650 --> 02:53:19,950
like you mentioned, we showed this with you earlier,

1767
02:53:19,950 --> 02:53:24,310
is the sign that's on the wildlife refuge side

1768
02:53:24,310 --> 02:53:28,810
and is according to the David Lucas,

1769
02:53:29,210 --> 02:53:30,690
he can speak more to this.

1770
02:53:30,690 --> 02:53:35,950
what is going to be at all entrances to the Wildlife Refuge in both English and Spanish,

1771
02:53:36,630 --> 02:53:40,330
but your point staff has discussed whether or not we would want to have more

1772
02:53:40,330 --> 02:53:47,470
interpretive signage on the Boulder County side or either work with our partners to provide

1773
02:53:47,470 --> 02:54:00,670
more information and background as you are entering from the Boulder County side into the

1774
02:54:01,690 --> 02:54:06,450
Dave, would you like to weigh in on the signage on the refeed side a little bit more?

1775
02:54:06,890 --> 02:54:08,290
Yeah, this is a wonderful question.

1776
02:54:08,630 --> 02:54:13,910
I mean, I will be brutally honest with the three commissioners that's this language that is on this time.

1777
02:54:14,250 --> 02:54:20,690
A few years of negotiation with somewhere to what we're dealing with right now.

1778
02:54:22,170 --> 02:54:27,950
So, you know, the probably the only thing that's been updated since those discussions is at the very bottom summer where there's websites.

1779
02:54:27,950 --> 02:54:34,890
links. Now we have websites instead of phone numbers. So, no, two-year point, though. I will

1780
02:54:34,890 --> 02:54:40,810
commit that we will work with Boulder County to do what is necessary and make you comfortable

1781
02:54:40,810 --> 02:54:46,690
with science. That's on the exterior. We're already doing, we are already committed and we are already

1782
02:54:46,690 --> 02:54:53,410
included in our master plan to do science at all conferences. And I believe the last time we discussed

1783
02:54:53,410 --> 02:54:57,530
we talked about the science includes both rules and regulations and includes this.

1784
02:54:57,530 --> 02:55:04,750
historical and required information as well. But we will continue to do more and more at the

1785
02:55:04,750 --> 02:55:09,370
active class. It's only been open for two years. The interpretive side, as we would call it,

1786
02:55:09,730 --> 02:55:15,050
is probably a little less sore than it needs to be. We have visions of more interpretive

1787
02:55:15,050 --> 02:55:20,850
counseling in fact to explain the history of the site and the appropriate locations. Not all

1788
02:55:20,850 --> 02:55:31,990
Cold War history, we are committed to the multiple stories, indigenous all the way to, you know, Cold War to clean up to why it's a wildlife for

1789
02:55:31,990 --> 02:55:36,490
refugees and why that's their tall grass is impressive. So we, that is in our plans.

1790
02:55:37,150 --> 02:55:44,590
But if signage at the entrance gates is important, we will commit and make sure that you are 100% happy with that.

1791
02:55:44,590 --> 02:55:49,810
I am thrilled to say today that we have advertised finally our first interpretive

1792
02:55:49,810 --> 02:55:55,030
ranger that is Spanish-speaking. So that will really bolster my capabilities in terms

1793
02:55:55,030 --> 02:55:55,830
of translation.

1794
02:55:58,130 --> 02:56:01,890
And because currently at the Rocky Flats, the signs are just in English

1795
02:56:01,890 --> 02:56:05,990
and we are working to convert all our signs of deep ponds, the arsenal, and now at the

1796
02:56:05,990 --> 02:56:11,310
flats to be both. And that little regulation sign down there is really challenging to get into

1797
02:56:11,310 --> 02:56:16,810
Spanish and English fit on a non billboard-sized sign.

1798
02:56:17,450 --> 02:56:20,970
But we will commit, I'm going to show you to working with you guys

1799
02:56:20,970 --> 02:56:22,710
on whatever you believe is appropriate.

1800
02:56:24,570 --> 02:56:29,790
I would just say that the actual sign that we have posted came from years

1801
02:56:29,790 --> 02:56:35,310
of development and assigned committee and the stewardship console assisted everything else.

1802
02:56:36,790 --> 02:56:37,830
Thanks for that.

1803
02:56:37,830 --> 02:56:44,230
I can appreciate the, I can imagine and appreciate with prayer government work before this

1804
02:56:44,230 --> 02:56:44,590
rule.

1805
02:56:45,930 --> 02:56:52,290
And, but I think there's a way to look at it from, you know, again, from an educational standpoint

1806
02:56:52,290 --> 02:56:59,410
from a, I mean, this is for all different angles and for folks who were just visiting, who

1807
02:56:59,410 --> 02:57:06,430
will only be on this trail one time to have the opportunity to learn from a distance and,

1808
02:57:06,430 --> 02:57:09,330
And again, I'm thinking about, you know, just being out there yesterday from a distance,

1809
02:57:09,470 --> 02:57:10,450
what am I looking at?

1810
02:57:10,550 --> 02:57:14,050
And we see that in parks and all around the country.

1811
02:57:14,510 --> 02:57:20,190
And so how do we, you know, allow people to use this as, use this a little bit differently,

1812
02:57:20,290 --> 02:57:22,530
than maybe it was originally considered.

1813
02:57:22,710 --> 02:57:24,950
So I appreciate that commitment.

1814
02:57:26,750 --> 02:57:28,010
The other folks had questions.

1815
02:57:29,150 --> 02:57:29,810
I'm question down.

1816
02:57:30,530 --> 02:57:32,510
Yeah, I don't think I have anything else.

1817
02:57:32,510 --> 02:57:56,610
I don't want to struggle or it's nester on the content of that sign it. I did notice that it makes no mention of what immediately preceded the closure in 1989, i.e. an FBI raid, when it was operated by Rockwell International because of illegal dumping, so we don't need to go there.

1818
02:57:57,860 --> 02:58:05,280
So then just to be clear, I mean, do, is that something that, and I'm happy to kind of move forward

1819
02:58:05,280 --> 02:58:10,280
on a motion. Maybe that's what I need to do and just start there. Does that feel appropriate

1820
02:58:10,280 --> 02:58:14,960
or to folks have more deliberation that they wanted to? Sure, and I apologize for my laughing

1821
02:58:14,960 --> 02:58:20,040
when Desoline conversation came up. But I witnessed as an altered on the rocket flash stewardship

1822
02:58:20,040 --> 02:58:27,840
council, every word in that sign being argued over anyway. Oh, that's, I guess, why I'm the

1823
02:58:31,380 --> 02:58:41,460
I think we should go to a motion, Marta, if you'd like to make it, I'm more unhappy to.

1824
02:58:43,160 --> 02:58:50,820
I'm happy to make it a motion and I'm looking at our packet here.

1825
02:58:50,820 --> 02:58:58,700
So emotion for approval, Parks and Open Space Intergovernmental Agreement for funding of

1826
02:58:58,700 --> 02:59:04,200
Rocky Mountain Greenway Trail, crossings through the federal land access program.

1827
02:59:06,650 --> 02:59:13,330
And I will second that. And then I think we need either summer or Jeff to tell us

1828
02:59:14,810 --> 02:59:22,690
whether we need to say as amended, because we know that there's going to be some

1829
02:59:22,690 --> 02:59:25,450
additional cost for the dust monitoring,

1830
02:59:28,970 --> 02:59:33,350
do we, or, the version, I'm, I'm looking at the

1831
02:59:33,350 --> 02:59:37,490
version that was attached to your email somewhere then.

1832
02:59:39,880 --> 02:59:44,820
Yeah. So if, if Michelle is still

1833
02:59:44,820 --> 02:59:51,540
on the line, it might be interesting to hear a little bit from her, just in terms of, would

1834
02:59:51,540 --> 02:59:59,980
We would we want to approve this in kind of form and fashion, and then do a final at a...

1835
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:07,360
This meeting, I'm not exactly sure how to subject amendments around dust monitoring and signage.

1836
03:00:07,920 --> 03:00:15,740
Yeah, I think we should approve as to form subject to minor adjustments to the

1837
03:00:15,740 --> 03:00:23,080
Boulder County and other entity contributions to the total cost and there is Michelle to tell us what to do.

1838
03:00:26,800 --> 03:00:28,680
That's exactly what I was going to say.

1839
03:00:29,300 --> 03:00:33,600
This is an idea that's being approved by several other local governments.

1840
03:00:34,540 --> 03:00:40,700
So I would be cautious about making a lot of changes to the idea itself because it's

1841
03:00:40,700 --> 03:00:42,680
already been approved by several local governments.

1842
03:00:42,720 --> 03:00:47,900
But I think if you can approve to form, we can bring back the final to you at a business

1843
03:00:47,900 --> 03:00:48,600
meeting.

1844
03:00:48,600 --> 03:00:55,140
Yeah. That sounds fine. So I guess I would second it, you know, based on that conceptual

1845
03:00:55,140 --> 03:01:00,280
language. And probably, you know, because this is just an idea is to

1846
03:01:00,280 --> 03:01:07,540
accepting the flat grant and laying out monetary contributions. I think anything else that

1847
03:01:07,540 --> 03:01:12,360
we're interested in that we've been discussing, I think, would be a side conversation about signage

1848
03:01:12,360 --> 03:01:14,500
or those things.

1849
03:01:16,350 --> 03:01:17,610
So we have motion a second.

1850
03:01:18,190 --> 03:01:21,850
I'm going to talk about how I'm going to vote on this.

1851
03:01:22,730 --> 03:01:25,010
I really appreciate all the work that's

1852
03:01:25,010 --> 03:01:27,990
gone into this, and I know it's a lot, and I

1853
03:01:27,990 --> 03:01:30,130
came unseen when it was well in your way.

1854
03:01:30,750 --> 03:01:32,270
And that's one of the things that gives me

1855
03:01:32,270 --> 03:01:34,410
pause is it's pretty far down the track.

1856
03:01:37,130 --> 03:01:39,710
And that would argue to go ahead.

1857
03:01:39,710 --> 03:01:48,770
But for me, and I appreciate the conversation around the vegetation issues, cleared out of

1858
03:01:48,770 --> 03:01:49,370
it for me.

1859
03:01:49,650 --> 03:01:51,470
It's still fragmenting a habitat.

1860
03:01:52,130 --> 03:01:57,030
But the bigger issue for me and record the recreation, you know, it's a trail connector.

1861
03:01:57,410 --> 03:01:58,930
It's from a recreational point of view.

1862
03:01:59,150 --> 03:02:00,770
That's a good thing.

1863
03:02:01,070 --> 03:02:03,330
Trying to make the most out of what you have.

1864
03:02:04,070 --> 03:02:06,110
But I keep thinking about the health risks.

1865
03:02:06,110 --> 03:02:14,370
And I know we had explanations how low they are in acceptable limits, which always kinds of

1866
03:02:14,370 --> 03:02:21,010
makes me nervous. And I think about, you know, about the site in its history. And I think

1867
03:02:21,010 --> 03:02:28,290
about that 264 people, be curious for Graham finding. And I'm sure there's probably more. And I know

1868
03:02:28,290 --> 03:02:57,130
The health department said that that is acceptable, and but I also remember Dr. Mark Johnson saying he doesn't feel comfortable out there himself or the use promoting news and I know there are a lot of people disagreed with him and I also remember reading the email recently from the downwinders about this site and their concerns about it.

1869
03:02:59,910 --> 03:03:07,070
And I guess my life experience kicks in here and that is I'm a double cancer survivor.

1870
03:03:08,030 --> 03:03:12,810
The first I got a 25 and a styrofoam cancer which is primarily caused by radiation.

1871
03:03:13,930 --> 03:03:16,370
I could not tell you where that radiation came from.

1872
03:03:16,590 --> 03:03:20,030
That exposure, if it was that, you just don't know.

1873
03:03:20,710 --> 03:03:32,290
And then a number of years later, I belated the last of that with my thyroid, so it wouldn't be there by taking, meaning removing it by radioactive iodine.

1874
03:03:33,370 --> 03:03:39,030
And they said, oh, there's a 1% chance you'd be looking at from this.

1875
03:03:39,030 --> 03:03:49,310
And years later, I was diagnosed with leukemia and I had a doctor and a white lab coat

1876
03:03:49,310 --> 03:03:55,890
look at me and said, since we don't have a related bone marrow match, there's a 6% chance

1877
03:03:55,890 --> 03:04:05,350
you know, we didn't two years. And yeah, I know the chance is low, but I wouldn't wish that

1878
03:04:05,350 --> 03:04:07,750
anybody. Nobody.

1879
03:04:10,980 --> 03:04:12,280
Thanks for sharing that.

1880
03:04:12,580 --> 03:04:16,240
But then I'm not cutting you off. I'm saying thank you for sharing.

1881
03:04:16,820 --> 03:04:17,980
Yeah, okay. Thank you.

1882
03:04:20,580 --> 03:04:22,480
So yeah, I know it's low.

1883
03:04:23,380 --> 03:04:25,760
And I appreciate all the work that went into that.

1884
03:04:28,600 --> 03:04:32,480
And long ago, I did risk communication on the outtrap program myself.

1885
03:04:32,480 --> 03:04:34,960
Um, you read email,

1886
03:04:34,980 --> 03:04:39,960
tangling for me to election program and I did it.

1887
03:04:40,260 --> 03:04:41,520
It's it's it's safer.

1888
03:04:42,340 --> 03:04:43,420
I'm not safer.

1889
03:04:43,800 --> 03:04:48,040
It's it's the standards of being that, but those standards are

1890
03:04:48,600 --> 03:04:52,300
hypothetical and what are you willing to risk and all that goes into it.

1891
03:04:53,300 --> 03:04:57,140
The stuff that we'd we heard earlier in this conversation a little

1892
03:04:57,140 --> 03:04:58,840
bill about how you said to Standard.

1893
03:05:01,260 --> 03:05:04,080
And I just don't want to be promoting use out there.

1894
03:05:04,180 --> 03:05:10,200
I mean, in Fishwilters can do what they want to do. I just don't want to be part of promoting it

1895
03:05:11,400 --> 03:05:16,260
on the off-chance that somebody gets dire against her and doesn't know where it comes from.

1896
03:05:16,500 --> 03:05:21,060
They get it figured out that they might have gotten it from there. In this plutonium, this out there,

1897
03:05:21,060 --> 03:05:30,640
being found still. So that's my speech and I'm sorry I made a personal but that's

1898
03:05:30,640 --> 03:05:35,240
it's driving me because I know how I'd effects people.

1899
03:05:37,960 --> 03:05:40,680
So anyway thanks for listening to me.

1900
03:05:42,040 --> 03:05:45,340
So we have that you guys want to say anything we have a motion in a second.

1901
03:05:45,820 --> 03:05:52,120
Yeah I do. I do because I know you know I need time something like you know comes up

1902
03:05:52,120 --> 03:05:55,740
deals with rocky flats. It's a matter of intense interest.

1903
03:05:58,040 --> 03:06:00,780
And, you know, the site has a history,

1904
03:06:01,260 --> 03:06:09,500
and people are concerned about safety, and I understand that. One of the people that spoke this

1905
03:06:09,500 --> 03:06:17,900
evening, you know, talked about how plutonium scares people, right fully saw it makes nuclear weapons

1906
03:06:17,900 --> 03:06:19,000
blow up.

1907
03:06:21,660 --> 03:06:31,440
It leaves a residue. There's residual radioactive elements in the soil. So I understand

1908
03:06:31,440 --> 03:06:37,740
that and I appreciate all the email that we've gotten from people who have an interest in this.

1909
03:06:37,880 --> 03:06:45,200
I really appreciate that people take such an interest in what we do and in public process.

1910
03:06:45,960 --> 03:07:15,180
I think, for me, it's, you know, this is, this is, I guess I look at what we can control and what we can't control, and the wildlife refuge has trails on it, people are on it, and so that's happening, and I maybe I'm just compartmentalizing too much, but for me as a question of, do they get there safely or not?

1911
03:07:15,200 --> 03:07:19,020
It's not a question of whether people are going to be on this site or not.

1912
03:07:20,200 --> 03:07:24,200
And I think we all had a lot of questions about the testing, because I felt like,

1913
03:07:24,800 --> 03:07:28,820
I felt like I did need to make sure that I wasn't ignoring something really important

1914
03:07:29,400 --> 03:07:31,780
and focusing on this narrow thing.

1915
03:07:34,060 --> 03:07:40,640
And I'm not capable of analyzing this independently.

1916
03:07:40,640 --> 03:07:44,860
I have to rely on the people who have come here as experts in their field.

1917
03:07:44,860 --> 03:07:49,660
And I have to take them at their word and assume that they're testifying in good faith.

1918
03:07:49,740 --> 03:07:52,860
And I don't mean to imply math that you're not doing that.

1919
03:07:52,940 --> 03:07:56,060
I understand that you bring a very unique perspective to this.

1920
03:07:56,780 --> 03:08:02,360
And I can only respect that, what you bring and what you've gone through in your life.

1921
03:08:02,360 --> 03:08:07,940
I think that we, you know, I am going to go to a prove that I think that it will make access

1922
03:08:07,940 --> 03:08:08,460
safer.

1923
03:08:08,760 --> 03:08:11,020
And I think a lot of work's gone into it.

1924
03:08:11,020 --> 03:08:15,120
I think it's a great opportunity for people to experience

1925
03:08:15,120 --> 03:08:19,240
a phenomenal sight, that really is special.

1926
03:08:20,660 --> 03:08:23,320
Because of its history of having been

1927
03:08:23,320 --> 03:08:25,140
off limits for so long.

1928
03:08:26,060 --> 03:08:28,360
So that's the reason that I'll be voting in favor.

1929
03:08:28,580 --> 03:08:30,480
And I do appreciate everybody's patience

1930
03:08:30,480 --> 03:08:34,380
with a lot of questions about things that staff may have felt

1931
03:08:34,380 --> 03:08:36,580
was tangential to the issue.

1932
03:08:36,580 --> 03:08:39,660
But I think we all felt like we needed to do our due diligence

1933
03:08:39,660 --> 03:08:45,860
and even just put some answers out there for the public who had some interest in things that

1934
03:08:45,860 --> 03:08:49,680
may not have strictly been relevant, but they deserve to know.

1935
03:08:51,720 --> 03:08:57,680
I'm going to just do a quick statement as well. And one, again, to think staff,

1936
03:08:58,040 --> 03:09:02,320
kind of where we started, because for me, this is a project that's been in the works for

1937
03:09:03,860 --> 03:09:10,100
for a lot longer than I've been in this role. And so I appreciate all the time and the

1938
03:09:10,100 --> 03:09:12,560
diligence and effort, the response, et cetera.

1939
03:09:13,100 --> 03:09:18,620
And I also want to acknowledge the folks who did email in with their questions, with their concerns,

1940
03:09:19,140 --> 03:09:25,900
share their history with rocky flats and with Colorado and their concern around the area.

1941
03:09:26,260 --> 03:09:33,620
And so for me, that's when I saw an article in 2018, I remember distinctly walking by the newspaper

1942
03:09:33,620 --> 03:09:40,160
stand and seen the headline about folks starting to recreate on Rocky Flats. And I remember

1943
03:09:40,160 --> 03:09:45,620
saying, like, who would ever recreate on Rocky Flats? Based on the history that I had heard

1944
03:09:45,620 --> 03:09:52,680
about and not knowing all of the details. And so I also yesterday, when I was out on the trail,

1945
03:09:52,760 --> 03:10:03,600
talked with a gentleman who was writing and just asked, where is it? Where am I? Do you know where I'm

1946
03:10:03,600 --> 03:10:08,660
most people don't go over on that side. And I didn't inquire anymore, but what it did

1947
03:10:08,660 --> 03:10:14,480
what it did state to me was we have a choice. If we, if we don't feel comfortable with that

1948
03:10:14,480 --> 03:10:19,540
section of the trail, and it sounds like that's, you know, people have made that decision. And so

1949
03:10:19,540 --> 03:10:24,080
for me, again, being out there and looking at it and looking at this question of safety and

1950
03:10:25,260 --> 03:10:31,340
and making sure that the one section that we're controlling right now is the end of pass. And I'm

1951
03:10:31,340 --> 03:10:38,560
really happy to hear in this brief conversation the commitment to include some signage to

1952
03:10:38,560 --> 03:10:45,280
include some history around what is on the other side as far as Rocky Flats to give people

1953
03:10:45,280 --> 03:10:50,400
that education, the idea of having a website. I saw on some of the trails out there, the trailheads,

1954
03:10:50,720 --> 03:10:56,160
QR codes that could give perspectives and maybe short videos with some history and things like that.

1955
03:10:56,160 --> 03:11:02,540
I think there's a lot we can do to educate folks to know what else is happening when they do

1956
03:11:02,540 --> 03:11:08,880
if they do choose to connect into, you know, all the way down to the arsenal and at some point

1957
03:11:08,880 --> 03:11:13,000
maybe all the way up to Rocky Mountain National Park. So I just want to again, things to all the

1958
03:11:13,000 --> 03:11:18,380
staff and for public folks who did reach out to share their stories, their opinions, and their

1959
03:11:18,380 --> 03:11:19,480
expertise as well.

1960
03:11:26,910 --> 03:11:31,590
We're missing you Matt with your volume. So what they came out of there for me

1961
03:11:31,590 --> 03:11:45,110
after I survived that cancer, so I got about running for public helps again. So here I am. And here you guys have to put up with me. So anyway, we have a motion. All in favor of favor.

1962
03:11:45,570 --> 03:11:58,190
I suppose no. So two to one vote and nothing more, I don't think so we are adjourned. Thank you for any anybody. Thank you for the great information.

1963
03:11:58,190 --> 03:12:10,190
Yeah, my I just thanks staff for staying late on this and everybody that that hung with us here with through all our questions, we'll thank you.

1964
03:12:10,770 --> 03:12:17,330
Thank you commissioner for your for your very thoughtful engaging discussion on this really appreciate all of you.

1965
03:12:17,450 --> 03:12:18,190
Thank you.

1966
03:12:18,910 --> 03:12:20,910
Okay. Thank you. Good night everybody.

1967
03:12:21,150 --> 03:12:22,630
All right. Good night everybody. Thank you.