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maintain an accurate public record. Members of the committee. Are

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you ready? We are. Recording in progress. All right, we're

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recording and ready to go. All right, thank you, Nick.

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Welcome, everyone, to the Thursday, July 24. Boulder County Parks

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and Open Space Advisory Committee meeting. My name is Janet

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George, and I'll be chairing the meeting tonight, and we'll

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start with. The roll call. Trey speaker. Present. Carol Bileriley.

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Present. And Janet George. I'm present. Christine johnson. Here. Vicky

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Lawrence. Present. Tony lewis. Here. Joan lutz. Derek turner here.

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And john white. Present. All right. Thank you. So the

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next agenda item is approval of last month's minutes. Postac

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members, do we have any comments? This is Trace Baker.

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I will abstain because I was not at the meeting.

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Christine. I saw you had your hand up. Christine Johnson

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Posack. There's. Derek asked a question about. The range view

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property. And it said designated lot. And I think we

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need to clarify. The minutes because I think it should

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be designated. Spot. Okay. Is it a typo who you're

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thinking? I don't know. I was trying to figure out

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what it was when I was reading. It. Designated spot

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just came in my head right now. But if you

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read it, it doesn't. Make sense. It just needs to

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be fixed. Whatever the deal is. Okay. All right. I'm

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pretty sure. You did not say designated lot. I'm trying

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to remember, but I think I could have said designated

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parking lot or spot. My comment was a place for

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people to pull off the road. Okay. Are you looking

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at the minutes? Do we have a recommendation for what

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it should say? I would recommend that we amend it

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to, say designated spot. Okay. Designated spot. Carol Bailey,

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Posac I think we should like parking spot or viewing

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area. Something that. 's more. Sure. Okay.

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Parking spot. I suppose we're going to have to get

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into amendments here. We're going to have to open that.

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That was editing. All right, so we are going to

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ask for one amendment just to clarify that. It's a

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designated parking spot. Do we have anything else on the

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minutes? Okay. I'm thinking. And correct me if I'm wrong.

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We can just vote on approving the minutes as long

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as we have that amendment. Okay. All right. Is that

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clear? We're not, you know what we're talking about. Very

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good. All right. Do I have a motion to approve

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the minutes? With the recommendation for an amendment we discussed.

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So moved. How about a second? I second. All right.

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Any more discussion. All right, let's go to a vote.

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All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? The minutes passed with.

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One amendment. And Earl Byerly? I abstain because I was

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not at the meeting either, okay? Carolyn trace abstain. All

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right. Very good. Thank you. So we'll move on to

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our presentations now. We've got two presentations about property acquisitions.

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That will require recommendation to the Boulder county commissioners. And

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the first one is the kestrel property. So, Aaron, if

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you'll take it away and tell us some more about

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the kestrel. Property. Glad to. Good evening again. I am

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Aaron Clark. I'm a land officer with the real. Estate

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division in the parks and open space. I will begin

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with this for much longer than parks. And open space's

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history of stewarding open space. The land in this community

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has been important to american indian, urban, native, indigenous and

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other cultural communities that continue to live here. We are

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making meaningful changes. To how we do our work that

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include them, incorporate their perspectives, and honor their land stewardship.

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Legacy parks and open space operates within modern legal constructs

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of landownership to Stewart Boulder county open space and accomplish

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these efforts on behalf of our community. So Chester property.

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So start with this. Kestrel property is east of Lions,

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north of Hygiene, right there near the intersection of highway

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66. And the 75th Avenue. Property is 77 acres and

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two parcels, two nice rectangles right there, each of roughly

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equal area owners are a family partnership, Asa Hygiene east

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and Asa Hygiene west. As you can see, the property

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is currently in irrigated agriculture. It's in corn right now,

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the proposed acquisition is 3,500,000. Dollars for the land and

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associated water. Right. So that's two building rights and two

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shares. In the Palmerton ditch seller has asked that we

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conduct the sale over two years so the plan is

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to acquire the western parcel, Castro west, this year, along

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with one share of Palmerton. And the remaining land and

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water as early as possible in 2020. Six. Photo break.

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I like photo breaks. This is the Palmerton right here.

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You can see it's. Really a lovely spot. This froze

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from back in May. So this is the Palmerton crossing,

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the property? On the north end. Here's a little bit

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farther out. Castro is Jason to the Cottonwood property that

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was acquired early. Last year. As you can see, the

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St. Frank corridor is down to the south, and the

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Rabbit mountain area is up there on the north side.

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Comprehensive plaid designations. I know I've read this many times,

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but the maps that follow are intended to be illustrative

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rather than specific, and the following designations are indicators of

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importance, but not confirmation that these features exist on the

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property, so I've got a couple for you. This one.

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Shares riparian areas, as noted in the comprehensive plan. That's

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that kind of red hash. That follows streams and ditches.

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So the riparian areas here are following the two districts

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across. The property, the Palmerton and the rough and ready.

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Also shown here are conservation areas for the prebbles meadow

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jumping mouse. You can see we have zone three. Suitable

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contiguous habitat areas that are close to a known population

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but not known to be occupied by the mouse. Next

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map. These are significant agricultural lands again, as shown in

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the comprehensive plan. This shows the kestrel property in the

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area of agricultural lands of statewide importance. According to the

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comprehensive plan. Finally, a couple more photos. Some old silos

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out there on the property. The right again is the

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Palmerton. And on the left. This is a neat part,

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that barn. In the background is over on the Cottonwood

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property. You can see just how accessible it is. From

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Castro. They're just right next to each other. So that's

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kind of neat for us. And that's what I have.

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And as I always say, park supports this project, and

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we hope you do, too. So I'm happy to answer

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any questions at this time, all right? Thanks, Aaron. Good

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presentation. And a good write up, too. Thank you for

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the information. Appreciate it. So questions post act. Joan. Joan

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Lutz Posack. And this may be obvious to others. But

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the building rights. Are. Their cost is not included in

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the total acquisition cost. Because the county won't be using

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those building rights. Well, it's just how we figure the

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value in the area. It's a lot. Of how we

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come to the value of certain spots. So two building

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rights, value of building this. Area. Is thinking right around

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a million and a half for a building right in

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this part of Boulder. County. So you figure 237 acre

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parcels, each one has one building, right? And that's a.

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Big chunk of how we. Figure what we're going to

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offer to the seller. So we are including the building

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rights. In the acquisition, and I call that out because

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this is just how we figure the value. Thank you.

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All right. Trace Baker. Posec. Aaron, very good presentation. A

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very informative, and I love the vintage map on the

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opening graphic. That was a nice find. I have two

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questions. First, in the handout that you gave us, you

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mentioned two shares in the Palmerton ditch. Which are a

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priority. My emphasis. For the department to acquire. So are

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the water shares the driving interest in this property? Or

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would you pursue them if it didn't have the water?

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water is very important. Just operating the property as a

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farm. I say that it's a priority because, and I'm

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not a water expert, these data come from our water

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people. We have four tiers of kind of based on

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seniority. Or yield. As to whether a certain ditch or

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a shares in a ditch are important for the county

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and this is two of four, so this is a

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pretty high priority for us, I think. Again, just based

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on seniority, but. Yet. This property as a farm would

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be awful hard to run without those shares. Okay. Thank

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you. Second question. And this is more to educate me

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on. The process of acquisitions. In the handout, there is

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a bullet list that begins. Volder county will acquire these

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interests and then a bulleted list. Of values. And if

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I add up the numbers. The total is like 6.4

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million, which is more than. The three and a half

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million purchase price. So could you educate me on. Why?

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There's a difference. There. I think I see what the

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issue is. We're kind of double counting the land value.

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If I'm looking at this, I have the value of

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land per acre, which includes the cost of the building,

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right, the building rights. Themselves were just showing about how

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much we're paying for that. I think it's just. We're

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just double counting there, okay? If you include the cost,

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the value of the building rights. They will come out

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to the 38 nine six one per acre. Okay. Thank

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you. All right, well, we'll just go down the line.

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How's that? Christine. Sure. Thanks. I know that. In the

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document that you submitted for the agenda that you said

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that you can't. That it has agricultural use right now.

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You won't know that what it will be used. For

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until it's in your hands. Do you want to speculate?

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I assume it's going to be continued to be used.

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Agriculturally. All I can say right now. Is that the

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plan? Yes. Is there's a tenant farmer. Currently operating the

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property, and the hope is to keep that farmer there,

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at least for a couple of years while our planning

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folks and our ag folks work out next steps and.

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Is the vote tonight about a recommendation? We will not

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be revisiting. The east. This is about? Both tonight. Money

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for west will happen this year. Money for east will

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happen next year. That's the case? Yes. Can the water,

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that is water rights that are. With that property. Does

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it impact? Any of the adjacent land. Can it be

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transferred? I noticed that. There's other presumably agricultural open space

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land near it. Do the water rights for this land

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have any impact on those? I'm not as clued in

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with water rights as you are. Oh, no, that's. Fine.

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I love talking about water up. Just make me stop.

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So basically, the shares are dedicated. They're allocated to this

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property to take them somewhere else. To require a pretty

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lengthy and expensive court process, and the plan is to

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keep them here. That's our policy. All right. Thank you.

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I think that's it for now. Derek. Derek turner. Posek.

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Some portion this year's budget. Some portion next year's budget.

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What's the fund balance. That we have left this year.

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If you're looking for a number, I'll have to turn

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to. My savior. Good evening. Posc. Janice Whistman, real estate

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division manager. And if I may, I just want to

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go back to the answer you gave for the last

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question. And actually, these ditch rates are usable in the

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service area for the ditch so they could be transferred,

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but we don't. Plan to transfer them because as Aaron

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mentioned, we need them on this property. So I hope

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that's helpful. So to answer your question, We have an

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allocation. From the sales tax funding fund balance every year,

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and it varies depending on what we expect. Our acquisitions

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to be for the year. We have 17 million out

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of sales tax allocated this year, and these properties are

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as well as the next one that's going to be

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presented are part of the plan for spending that money,

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and over the course of the year, We have already

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done a few deals. The spruce gulchdale. You might remember

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it was 7.3 million we have. Others that I think

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I have the list somewhere, but I don't have it

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actually, right. In front of me. But to answer your

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question about the actual budget, is 17 million this year

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with sales tax money. And then. We also got your

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approval or recommendation last month on the Cliffside property, which

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is going to hopefully use some conservation trust fund money,

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which is an additional allocation. And so that's another 1.8

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million, I believe, for that one. So we have plenty

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of money. And I just want to take a moment

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to explain that when we bring these before you, we.

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Already have figured out. How we're going to fund these.

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So we're not going to bring something to you where

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we don't think there's funding available. Does that answer your

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question? That helps, I guess. I personally think it would

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be really nice as I've, I think, mentioned before to

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say, here's how much we've spent. This year. Here's how

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much that's left. Here's how much. That this costs and.

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I'm not sure if that's what the county commissioners also

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would want to see. But to me, I guess, from

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my experience with governmental entities, especially right now, Here's what

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we have. Here's our revenue. Here's our surplus. I just

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really feel like it's important to making these recommendations and

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advising them, so I appreciate the way that you expressed

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that this time. I was not here when I think

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you expressed something similar in May. Although I've talked to

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staff about it. We can add something to our memo

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form to do that for you, so. I'm happy to

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do that. Thank you. All right, Tony, let's go. Down

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the line, then. Tony Lewis, Postac. Aaron, thanks. Always good

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to see you. Likewise. Do you know when the leases

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expire for the current list? So right now they're year

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to year. Okay? So end of this year. So end

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of. This year for the first parcel. Well, the current

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tenant is obviously seeing from the current landowner, and they're

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on a year. To year basis. December 31. Their lease

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is up. Okay. Would the Ag division be in talks

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now about releasing us to keep it in production? Well,

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I did just speak to the Ag division about a

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new lease with us. When we purchased the property so

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that that operation will continue. And do you think the

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lessee is interested in continuing to. I know they are.

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Great. I just am hopeful that we can keep it

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in production. Absolutely. And now my perennial question, to drive

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Janice Wisman over the edge. Which should happen almost any

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time now. There's two development rights with this that we're

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purchasing. Do those extinguish upon our purchase. And management or.

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Can they be saved and used at a future date?

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If someone can figure out how to use them. Thank

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you, tony. Janice wizman again. They don't extinguish. The county

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owns the development rights. Our open space program is about

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removing development rights from property so that it can become

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open space. So they're not really usable anywhere else, and

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we don't. Dedicate development rights to open space properties. So

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I don't know of a clear way to say that,

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but if you want to. Ask another question. I'm happy

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to try to answer it differently. I think that makes

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sense. You don't keep those development rights associated with that

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property, because once it becomes an open space property. There's

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no need for a development, right? For that property? That's

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correct. Is that. Correct? Yeah. Okay, great. Thanks. Anything. Carol.

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How about Vicky? Yeah. Vicky Lawrence Posak. This is kind

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of a relevant question. What are they growing on that?

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Is it right now? It's in corn. It's in corn.

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And I assume that's. Not sweet corn. No, I don't

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think so. Okay, Don. Thanks for your patience. John. Mike

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Posek. Why do you mention. The mouse. I know it's

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endangered and all that. If it's on the other side

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of 66. And you've plowed this field. It doesn't seem.

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That they're not going to be in a plowed field.

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Well, the mouse, as I understand I'm not expert in

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this, but I understand that the mouse habitat focuses on

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the repairing areas on the moving water. So specifically, it's

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the area near the dishes that is of interest here,

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okay? Thank you. Okay, looks like no more questions. I

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have a couple of questions. I see that. We're getting

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100,000 of mineral rights with this deal. What kind of

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minerals are they? It says there's no oil and gas

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right for this. There really aren't any mineral rays. There's

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nothing special about it. It's a figure that we say

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we are purchasing. The mineral rights associated with this nobody

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else owns any part of that. It's a budgeting figure

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we throw in there to indicate that we are buying

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them. If they have not been separated. Okay, got you.

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And by the way, I'm Janet. George. Posack. I guess

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I should say that if I'm going to ask questions.

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All right. The last question, I'll kind of put it

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together. A couple of past issues with this cornfield, and

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one of them is drainage, and I don't know if

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there's some of the tiles of collapse, the old tiles

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that drain. Under it. So it looks like maybe your

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egg folks haven't talked about that. The other issue that's

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happened, which I'm sure your wildlife staff know about, is

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it's been elk damage there for quite a while, and

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I don't know if there's still elk damage that CPW

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is paying for, so I was going to ask moving

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forward, what might be some of the plans to deal

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with those two issues. It's a little beyond my expertise.

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I'm glad she's here. Janice Wism again. So as we've

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described and talked briefly tonight, and we've always put this

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in our memo so that everyone, including the public, understands

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that we don't do planning. For these properties before we

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acquire them. It's just too fast of a process to

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try. To get through that. And staff don't have the

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ability to drop what they're doing to plan for a

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piece of property. So for a number of reasons, those

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are just two. We wait until after we've adopted a

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property in order to figure those things out, so. We're

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happy to pass that information along. We might not have

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necessarily, as a department known those things? Because this is

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a private property we have no current interest in. And

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would have no reason to even talk with CPW about

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damages on this property or about the drainage issues. With

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the landowners. So happy to pass those along and then

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the planning for that and what to do with them.

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Will happen later. So, as Aaron has described, We will

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be entering into a lease with the current lessee at

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closing so that they're. Under a county lease, not just

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under a year to year lease with the landowner, because

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now the landowner is gone. Right? So they need to

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be under a county lease, and our activision. Has asked

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us to enter into a two year lease, I believe.

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Is that right, Aaron? So that they have time to

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work. With the lessee to learn about the property. And

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address whatever issues those are. So that drainage issue would

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be one of them, I believe, and then we're happy

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to relay the information to our wildlife staff about the.

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Know, but we don't know because we're in a different

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division and we're. Acquiring land that we know nothing about

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other than what we're doing during the acquisition. Process. So,

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because we are not involved in the conversations with CPW

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about damages anywhere. That's why we don't. Expect to have

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those details to bring before you. Okay. All right. Fair

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enough. Thanks for that detailed. Answer. Sure. JOAN LUTZ, Posac

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I was just wondering, I know you don't do planning.

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In advance, but whether part of the interest in this

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parcel is that it is close to rabbit. Mountain much

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larger and down flats. And I see there's already a

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tie in with the potential for too many elk. Yes,

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Janice Whistman again, good points. Agreed. Those are things we

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recognize. Thank you. All right. See no more for POsac.

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We'll move on to any public comments if we have

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any. We'll take any public comments for people that are

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here first and then check. Online. Do we have anybody

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here that wants to comment on this? Okay. Thank you.

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I see none. Do we have anybody? Nick signed up

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online. Hey, this is nick. For those who are on

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zoom. If you could use the raise hand feature and

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we can call on you. I know we had a

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few people signed up at the last minute to speak

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on. This agenda item. We've got tess McDonald. Hi there.

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I'm calling to say it's my understanding that pesticide usage.

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Is increasing in Boulder county parks and open space. After

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all the outreach and education. Can I just interrupt? Sure.

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Yeah. So is this specific to this topic, or if

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it's. Just about pesticide use. Let's wait until the. It's

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about rabbit mountain and more of that area being tested

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on with aerial spray is it on this property acquisition

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specifically. Yes, because it's so close to where. They've already

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sprayed, and I'm concerned about. The lack of. All right.

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You can go ahead. If it's about this property and

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you have three minutes. So this property. Was already sprayed

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aerially and. It was after it was given to Native

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Americans, and it was their ceremonial ground, and they weren't

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notified when the Ariel sprayed it. And what they sprayed

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there, according to your records, is esplanade. And it's not

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meant for range land, so I'm concerned they're just. Picking

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another area to test on, and I don't think it's

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right after all. The outreach and education that the independent

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citizens have presented over the years. It's just astounding to

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me. That we, the citizens, own the land that you

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are acquiring, and we are the boss, okay? And. We

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don't want any more poisonings like Rachel Carson, moms of

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Boulder County. Detox Moulder county will never be okay with

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pesticides being sprayed from the sky. Pesticides create a dependency

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on big chemical. Soil health creates abundance, abundant diversity, abundant

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clean air, abundant clean water and abundant life. Boulder county

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needs real. Wealth, real abundance. Whose bright idea was it

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to help native plants by killing pollinators with aerial spray

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of pesticide. Seriously, I would like to know. I would

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like an answer. Who in their right mind. Thinks you're

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going to save native plants. By killing pollinators from a

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helicopter. You're spraying everything. Your broadcast brain. It makes zero

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sense. Anyone that has common sense. And that has not

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been brainwashed in college. By the. Corporations that are benefiting

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knows this is a bad idea, but guess what? We

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have a pedophile in the White House. We have corporate

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billionaires running the show. And my only question for you,

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besides whose bright idea? It was is at this point

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right now, are you going to be a coward or

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are you? Going to be a revolutionary. You can start

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now by ending this insanely ineffective practice. That is aerial

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spray of highly flammable. Petrochemicals on our public land. So.

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B note. You're spaying petrochemicals that are flammable all over.

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The land. Thank you. All right, thank you, Tess. Any

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further public comment, and let's restrict the public comment. To

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the Kestrel property acquisition. There'll be time later on the

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agenda for other types. Of public comment. Last chance for

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those on Zoom. If you want to make comments, please

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use the raise hand feature. I don't see any other

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raised hands. All right. So that's it for public comment

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on this? Anything else? From posac, all right? Do I

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have a motion? The motion would be a recommendation to

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the Boulder county commissioners for approval. Of the project as

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described above and as further described by staff at the

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Postac meeting and this would be for the Castrel property

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acquisition. So moved. Okay, so, Tony. We've got a motion.

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Trace baker. Second. Okay. And we have a second. So

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any discussion? All right, let's go to a vote. All

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those in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes.

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Thank you. Thank you. All right, moving on to the

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next one, which is also a decision item, and it's

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the gateway property acquisition. And we'll have Melissa Arnold here

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presenting. Hello, Melissa. Hello. Give me one moment to pull.

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This up.

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Okay. Hello, Poseac members. Melissa Arnold, land officer in the

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real estate Division. And tonight I am going to. Be.

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I brought to you the gateway property acquisition. So the

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gateway property is located in southeast Boulder county at the

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address of 1716 South 96 street. There's the little circle.

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It just floated in, and then we're just going to.

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Zoom in here to get closer and closer. So the

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property indicated in red is located at the intersection of

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South 96 street in. Dylan. Dylan. Road and Northwest Parkway

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is the darker red road just to the south. It's

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also in close proximity to the city of Lewisville. As

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you can see, the property is right against the southern

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annex boundary of Louisville. And then also you can notice.

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City of Lafayette to the northeast and city and county

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of Broomfield to the south. And I'm going to be

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mentioning these municipal partners throughout the presentations, so just wanted

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to make sure you all saw the proximity of the

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property to those cities. Coming in closer now, looking at

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some of the surrounding open space as well. So you

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have to the west, the admore east and west, open

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space, and to the east. You have the trillium open

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space, and both of these are jointly owned with the

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city. Of Louisville. And Broomfield and Lafayette hold conservation easements

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on these open space properties and then to the south

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is a conservation easement property, so that's privately owned with

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restrictions. It's located in Broomfield county. They are the lead

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holder on that conservation easement and the other three partners

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that we've talked about, County La. Lafayette and Lewisville all

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hold an undivided interest in that conservation easement. And just

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a little Google Earth view to get a little more

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perspective on. This property's positioning to the city of Louisville

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and the open space around it. All right, now, coming

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in as close as we can, we have some property

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facts. Gateway is 72.72. Point 42 acres in size. It

466
00:31:54,729 --> 00:31:59,489
is irrigated with 69.99 shares of good. Hue Ditch and

467
00:31:59,489 --> 00:32:06,207
reservoir company water. There are no residences on this property.

468
00:32:07,699 --> 00:32:10,100
There used to be a house. It was there and

469
00:32:10,100 --> 00:32:14,870
inhabited. By the previous landowner for years, the Striders. But

470
00:32:14,870 --> 00:32:17,390
after they sold it to the current landowner, in 2019.

471
00:32:18,645 --> 00:32:23,106
It was demolished shortly thereafter. And there are two agricultural

472
00:32:23,106 --> 00:32:25,546
structures existing on the property now that were there as

473
00:32:25,546 --> 00:32:30,069
part of the original home area. You can also see

474
00:32:30,069 --> 00:32:36,150
that the property is bisected by Burlington Northern Railroad. And

475
00:32:36,150 --> 00:32:38,830
I mentioned that the current owners who bought it from

476
00:32:38,830 --> 00:32:42,430
the longtime landowners, the shriders, they're the sellers, the ones

477
00:32:42,430 --> 00:32:46,150
we're working with. And that is the northwest quarter holdings.

478
00:32:46,150 --> 00:32:50,830
LLC, and then they currently lease the property to an

479
00:32:50,830 --> 00:32:59,653
agricultural tenant for cattle grazing. Some pictures. So here is

480
00:32:59,653 --> 00:33:02,453
the property. Looking east, you can see Dylan Road off

481
00:33:02,453 --> 00:33:04,413
in the distance, kind of. To the left of the

482
00:33:04,413 --> 00:33:08,213
screen, and South 96 street is directly behind where I'm

483
00:33:08,213 --> 00:33:11,816
standing. Taking this picture. Here are the two structures that

484
00:33:11,816 --> 00:33:17,024
are remaining. We have run and shed for cattle and

485
00:33:17,024 --> 00:33:21,658
a livestock below, and then. A hay barn above, and

486
00:33:21,658 --> 00:33:24,098
then that's the gate to the property off of South

487
00:33:24,098 --> 00:33:27,378
96. Street. That was the driveway entrance to the residence.

488
00:33:27,378 --> 00:33:29,258
And now is the way to get into all the

489
00:33:29,258 --> 00:33:32,503
two structures that remain. And then just one more slide

490
00:33:32,503 --> 00:33:37,658
with some photos. We're graced with the presence of a

491
00:33:37,658 --> 00:33:41,758
great horned owl who. Was in that open hay shed

492
00:33:41,758 --> 00:33:43,478
when we got there and then watched us from the

493
00:33:43,478 --> 00:33:47,340
trees. Also, I saw many deer beds out in the

494
00:33:47,340 --> 00:33:51,660
grasses. And then. That's just a photo. Of the railroad,

495
00:33:51,660 --> 00:33:57,054
the Burlington Northern Railroad. Okay. Boulder county comprehensive plan designations.

496
00:34:00,414 --> 00:34:03,294
As Aaron said in his presentation, same applies here. These

497
00:34:03,294 --> 00:34:06,894
maps are intended to be illustrative. Rather than specific in

498
00:34:06,894 --> 00:34:11,454
the following designations, an indicator of importance, but not confirmation

499
00:34:11,454 --> 00:34:15,253
that these features exist. On the property. And we have

500
00:34:15,253 --> 00:34:21,792
one map showing. The presence of the significant agricultural lands

501
00:34:21,792 --> 00:34:26,220
of national importance. Over the gateway property.

502
00:34:33,111 --> 00:34:37,071
So there is a document called the Southeast County Intergovernmental

503
00:34:37,071 --> 00:34:42,511
Agreement, or IGA. It was entered into in 1999 between

504
00:34:42,511 --> 00:34:46,031
the four partners that I've mentioned, county of Boulder City.

505
00:34:46,031 --> 00:34:49,071
Of Louisville, city of Lafaya and the city and county

506
00:34:49,071 --> 00:34:54,242
of Broomfield. That IgA identifies the gateway property as being

507
00:34:54,242 --> 00:34:58,762
within a rural preservation area, recognizing its value as a

508
00:34:58,762 --> 00:35:04,031
community buffer. In its agricultural and other open space attributes.

509
00:35:05,391 --> 00:35:08,751
The southeast county Iga does limit the gateway property. Currently.

510
00:35:11,579 --> 00:35:14,539
To two development rights and prohibits it from being annexed

511
00:35:14,539 --> 00:35:18,899
within the city of Louisville. However, that IgA was set

512
00:35:18,899 --> 00:35:21,779
for a term of 30 years and it expires in

513
00:35:21,779 --> 00:35:27,412
four years. In 2029. That IGA also states that any

514
00:35:27,412 --> 00:35:30,572
of those four partners may purchase this property as open

515
00:35:30,572 --> 00:35:34,132
space. And those not participating in the acquisition will still

516
00:35:34,132 --> 00:35:37,612
receive an undivided interest in a conservation easement over the

517
00:35:37,612 --> 00:35:43,335
property. So because of the property's value, as I was

518
00:35:43,335 --> 00:35:46,415
describing, as a community buffer, and with its other open

519
00:35:46,415 --> 00:35:50,794
space values, such as agriculture. It has always made it

520
00:35:50,794 --> 00:35:55,131
on a high priority acquisition for open space. And also

521
00:35:55,131 --> 00:35:57,971
considering that the IGA expires in four years, at which

522
00:35:57,971 --> 00:36:00,811
time a landowner could apply for annexation into the city

523
00:36:00,811 --> 00:36:05,299
of Louisville. Makes this a great opportunity to purchase it

524
00:36:05,299 --> 00:36:08,112
now while it's available. When it came on the market.

525
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,440
The county entered conversations with the seller, and we quickly

526
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,480
came to a deal and decided we had to act.

527
00:36:17,267 --> 00:36:20,627
So for the 72.42 acres, the deal terms are that

528
00:36:20,627 --> 00:36:25,091
two development rights will be removed. From this property. The

529
00:36:25,091 --> 00:36:29,851
total for the land and development rights will be $2,630,000.

530
00:36:32,740 --> 00:36:38,300
And the water rights will total $70,000. That's the 69.99

531
00:36:38,300 --> 00:36:42,128
shares. Of the good Hugh ditch and reservoir company. For

532
00:36:42,128 --> 00:36:48,450
total acquisition costs of $2,700,000. The IGA, as we've talked

533
00:36:48,450 --> 00:36:55,283
about, has four partners. So the proposal is that the

534
00:36:55,283 --> 00:36:58,883
county would act now while this property is available and

535
00:36:58,883 --> 00:37:02,003
the seller is very motivated to close quickly, which was

536
00:37:02,003 --> 00:37:05,203
part of the negotiation. So we would close now for

537
00:37:05,203 --> 00:37:08,123
the 2.7 million and the county would own the fee.

538
00:37:08,123 --> 00:37:12,075
Simple interest in the land and manage it. And then,

539
00:37:12,075 --> 00:37:15,555
after closing, the county would grant as was described in

540
00:37:15,555 --> 00:37:18,835
the Iga. The county would grant each of the partners

541
00:37:18,835 --> 00:37:22,395
Lewis, Phil, Lafayette and Brimfield, a partial interest in a

542
00:37:22,395 --> 00:37:26,829
conservation easement. And we hope for some support with the

543
00:37:26,829 --> 00:37:30,269
funding. So the city of Lewisville and possibly the city

544
00:37:30,269 --> 00:37:33,909
and county of Broomfield intend to contribute toward the cost

545
00:37:33,909 --> 00:37:38,389
of the property. Postclothing. So reimbursing the county for some

546
00:37:38,389 --> 00:37:42,389
of the acquisition cost. Those amounts are to be determined

547
00:37:42,389 --> 00:37:48,223
by. Future direction from their respective city councils. So while

548
00:37:48,223 --> 00:37:51,903
we don't have those numbers yet, we anticipate receiving some

549
00:37:51,903 --> 00:37:58,400
partnership funding after closing. So for tonight, I would ask.

550
00:38:02,198 --> 00:38:05,398
PosaK members to please consider recommending this to the board

551
00:38:05,398 --> 00:38:09,118
of County Commissioners for approval. As described in my presentation,

552
00:38:09,118 --> 00:38:12,740
and I'd be happy to answer any questions. All right.

553
00:38:12,740 --> 00:38:17,379
Thanks, Melissa. Good presentation as always. Thank you. So, do

554
00:38:17,379 --> 00:38:21,510
we have any questions? We'll go with Carol first. Thank

555
00:38:21,510 --> 00:38:26,184
you, Melissa, for that presentation. I have two questions. One

556
00:38:26,184 --> 00:38:29,624
is the bird's eye view showing the property? I was

557
00:38:29,624 --> 00:38:35,135
wondering. If those were prairie dog mounds, yes. So that

558
00:38:35,135 --> 00:38:40,538
property. Is pretty. Devastated, isn't it, by the prairie dogs?

559
00:38:42,141 --> 00:38:44,621
It has based on the prairie dog holes we see

560
00:38:44,621 --> 00:38:47,621
in the imagery, it has a population of prairie dogs

561
00:38:47,621 --> 00:38:49,141
on it, okay?

562
00:39:01,135 --> 00:39:03,695
But it's currently being grazed. That's right. It's currently being

563
00:39:03,695 --> 00:39:06,255
grazed for. Cattle. Okay. And the cattle get along with

564
00:39:06,255 --> 00:39:11,615
the. Yes. Grazing. What I understand from our agricultural and

565
00:39:11,615 --> 00:39:16,615
wildlife staff is that grazing cattle and prairie dog habitat

566
00:39:16,615 --> 00:39:21,499
can be compatible. Okay. Thank you. And my second question

567
00:39:21,499 --> 00:39:24,339
is, on another map, you said there was land of

568
00:39:24,339 --> 00:39:27,539
national interest, and I'm wondering if you could tell us

569
00:39:27,539 --> 00:39:33,239
what that interest is. So the national. Significant. So the

570
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:37,999
Boulder County Comprehensive plan identifies the gateway property is having

571
00:39:37,999 --> 00:39:42,559
significant agricultural lands of national importance, and this is based

572
00:39:42,559 --> 00:39:47,267
on data and studies from the. That has identified different

573
00:39:47,267 --> 00:39:51,794
soils and. So we pulled that and based our data.

574
00:39:56,641 --> 00:39:58,681
In our Boulder county comprehensive plan off of the NRCS

575
00:39:58,681 --> 00:40:03,277
data. And so that means that the soil is valuable

576
00:40:03,277 --> 00:40:09,090
for agriculture and that is in the national interest. Yes,

577
00:40:09,090 --> 00:40:15,148
and that. It is any more addition to this. Aaron

578
00:40:15,148 --> 00:40:19,468
or Janice, please add in. But that elevated higher quality

579
00:40:19,468 --> 00:40:25,735
agricultural soil. Okay. Please. Hi there. Aaron Clark again. It's

580
00:40:25,735 --> 00:40:27,375
funny that you asked her this, because I had a

581
00:40:27,375 --> 00:40:29,615
whole bunch of stuff in my presentation, just in case

582
00:40:29,615 --> 00:40:35,185
you happen to ask. So, as you recall, my presentation

583
00:40:35,185 --> 00:40:37,745
involves statewide importance, and it's really about the quality of

584
00:40:37,745 --> 00:40:43,621
the soil. Whether it's very rocky. The slopes, how well

585
00:40:43,621 --> 00:40:48,454
it holds moisture. Predicted productivity. If you have water or

586
00:40:48,454 --> 00:40:52,358
not on it. It's really about. It's fantastic ground for

587
00:40:52,358 --> 00:40:55,547
getting. A good product out of it just based on

588
00:40:55,547 --> 00:40:58,867
those characteristics of the land itself. And is this. A

589
00:40:58,867 --> 00:41:04,147
product of a survey, USGS survey or something. NRCS Natural

590
00:41:04,147 --> 00:41:06,307
Resource Conservation Service went around and did all of this?

591
00:41:06,307 --> 00:41:12,559
Yes. Okay, good. Thank you. Sure. Thank you, Aaron. All

592
00:41:12,559 --> 00:41:18,500
right, Vicky. Yeah. Hi, Michelle. Thanks. Of course, I'm very

593
00:41:18,500 --> 00:41:21,260
interested in this property, since I live fairly close to

594
00:41:21,260 --> 00:41:25,643
this property. All things considered. Can you explain a little

595
00:41:25,643 --> 00:41:32,702
further about the conservation easements and. What is the advantage?

596
00:41:32,702 --> 00:41:35,222
And why do those. I mean, I understand it was

597
00:41:35,222 --> 00:41:38,342
in an agreement that. Those would be split between the

598
00:41:38,342 --> 00:41:43,287
cities. What advantage is that to those cities to have

599
00:41:43,287 --> 00:41:51,330
those? Excellent question. This joint management of open space. And

600
00:41:51,330 --> 00:41:53,610
sort of dividing out some ownership in it is a

601
00:41:53,610 --> 00:41:56,730
sort of belt and suspender way. Of it has a

602
00:41:56,730 --> 00:41:58,650
couple of purposes. One is a belt and suspender way

603
00:41:58,650 --> 00:42:01,330
of ensuring protection. Of that land. So you have, first

604
00:42:01,330 --> 00:42:04,424
of all, Being acquired with sales and use tax dollars

605
00:42:04,424 --> 00:42:07,283
from Boulder county. And we've put it now. We will

606
00:42:07,283 --> 00:42:10,763
be putting it into open space protection. But then these

607
00:42:10,763 --> 00:42:14,123
partners then also get a conservation. Easement, they get an

608
00:42:14,123 --> 00:42:19,750
undivided interest in one conservation easement. So 33% each. That

609
00:42:19,750 --> 00:42:22,510
will also layer restrictions on top of that. And then,

610
00:42:22,510 --> 00:42:24,710
just like we would hold a conservation easement as the

611
00:42:24,710 --> 00:42:27,910
county on a land that's owned by a private landowner,

612
00:42:27,910 --> 00:42:29,550
they will do the same as we would with them,

613
00:42:29,550 --> 00:42:32,070
enter into a relationship or we check in over the

614
00:42:32,070 --> 00:42:35,190
years and do stewardship visits. We communicate with them about

615
00:42:35,190 --> 00:42:37,430
changes that are happening and they watch. To make sure

616
00:42:37,430 --> 00:42:40,286
that the terms of that conservation newsmen are uphel. Upheld

617
00:42:40,286 --> 00:42:42,246
over time so that if there were to be a

618
00:42:42,246 --> 00:42:45,515
change, At the county, they would need to know, or

619
00:42:45,515 --> 00:42:47,795
with the land management, they'd be kept. Apprised of that,

620
00:42:47,795 --> 00:42:52,195
and it just makes that protection extra. And then the

621
00:42:52,195 --> 00:42:55,498
other way to look at it. Is that. It's a

622
00:42:55,498 --> 00:43:00,038
way for the partners to show that. For themselves and

623
00:43:00,038 --> 00:43:05,358
their residents that they have participated in some way and

624
00:43:05,358 --> 00:43:08,638
making sure this protection happened. And it's that joint partnership

625
00:43:08,638 --> 00:43:10,798
show of this is important to all of us, and

626
00:43:10,798 --> 00:43:12,758
we are all going to step forward in some way.

627
00:43:14,250 --> 00:43:17,981
And make sure that land is protected. So Vicky Lawrence

628
00:43:17,981 --> 00:43:23,761
Posek again. Let me ask further. So you're making it

629
00:43:23,761 --> 00:43:25,681
sound like it's just sort of a policing each other.

630
00:43:27,152 --> 00:43:29,835
In a way. I want to be sure you're not

631
00:43:29,835 --> 00:43:33,075
going to do anything. So there's three. Of us involved

632
00:43:33,075 --> 00:43:35,635
here, and we're all sort of watching each other. Way

633
00:43:35,635 --> 00:43:37,715
to look at it. It's also quite a partnership to

634
00:43:37,715 --> 00:43:41,915
ensure trust and success of in stewardship care. Of the

635
00:43:41,915 --> 00:43:44,915
land in the future. Okay, and so what do you

636
00:43:44,915 --> 00:43:48,432
know about. Other governments helping to pay for this. I

637
00:43:48,432 --> 00:43:51,337
mean, I know you say that. Will be determined after

638
00:43:51,337 --> 00:43:55,308
the property is purchased. But are you getting a sense

639
00:43:55,308 --> 00:43:58,388
that that's going to happen? Yeah, great question. Because obviously

640
00:43:58,388 --> 00:44:00,228
that's the part that we don't have the answers to

641
00:44:00,228 --> 00:44:06,108
at this meeting. And we're asking you. To. Give your

642
00:44:06,108 --> 00:44:08,388
recommendation on? It's just the acquisition of the land right

643
00:44:08,388 --> 00:44:11,228
now. So what we know is that the IGA that

644
00:44:11,228 --> 00:44:16,154
was created in 1999 does not have any specific. Terms

645
00:44:16,154 --> 00:44:19,314
saying which partners will acquire or how much each will

646
00:44:19,314 --> 00:44:22,514
contribute, which sometimes can be the case. With other igas,

647
00:44:22,514 --> 00:44:25,674
it might offer percentages that they step forward with that

648
00:44:25,674 --> 00:44:30,754
is silent and so currently, the city of Lewisville has

649
00:44:30,754 --> 00:44:33,874
indicated that they are intending to put money toward this

650
00:44:33,874 --> 00:44:37,975
acquisition. We don't have that dollar amount yet. That conversation

651
00:44:37,975 --> 00:44:40,855
is not happening with me directly. It's happening with county

652
00:44:40,855 --> 00:44:45,655
and city leadership. And this county and city of Broomfield

653
00:44:45,655 --> 00:44:48,415
is having its own conversations with its council, and they

654
00:44:48,415 --> 00:44:51,055
are going to see if there's something they can contribute

655
00:44:51,055 --> 00:44:54,415
and they haven't made. A definite commitment at all, but

656
00:44:54,415 --> 00:44:57,820
they're looking at it. So that's all I know. At

657
00:44:57,820 --> 00:45:00,500
this point. As soon as we can more, we'll. Be

658
00:45:00,500 --> 00:45:03,540
able to share it. But I think because of the

659
00:45:03,540 --> 00:45:06,420
importance of this land and its availability right now. We

660
00:45:06,420 --> 00:45:09,260
wanted to just acquire it on the timeline that the

661
00:45:09,260 --> 00:45:11,620
seller put forth and. Know that that was the most

662
00:45:11,620 --> 00:45:15,140
important thing, and then we'll lean on that partnership that.

663
00:45:15,140 --> 00:45:17,140
We've built over the years with our partners to hope.

664
00:45:17,482 --> 00:45:20,842
They come to the table with some meaningful contribution. Thank

665
00:45:20,842 --> 00:45:27,406
you. Go ahead. John white posek. So each one has

666
00:45:27,406 --> 00:45:33,817
a 33% interest, but. What's undivided if it's divided by

667
00:45:33,817 --> 00:45:37,697
three? Yeah, maybe I misspoke. By saying 33, it's undivided

668
00:45:37,697 --> 00:45:39,577
interest in that somebody can't take their piece and walk

669
00:45:39,577 --> 00:45:43,117
away with it. It's all connected and. All three own

670
00:45:43,117 --> 00:45:46,569
it together. Or nobody can leave with just their part.

671
00:45:48,129 --> 00:45:51,781
Thank you. Tony. Go ahead, and then we'll go this

672
00:45:51,781 --> 00:45:54,901
way. Great. Thanks, tony. Lewis posac nice to see you,

673
00:45:54,901 --> 00:45:58,783
Melissa. Thanks for good to see the presentation. Could you

674
00:45:58,783 --> 00:46:03,230
go back to the map showing the national significance? The

675
00:46:03,230 --> 00:46:08,656
agricultural land? Yeah, please. Oops. I think I just. So

676
00:46:08,656 --> 00:46:15,450
I'm struggling with this one. I'm thinking about Baldwick county

677
00:46:15,450 --> 00:46:20,661
as a whole. Where development should happen and where development

678
00:46:20,661 --> 00:46:23,421
shouldn't happen. And I'm trying to figure out with a

679
00:46:23,421 --> 00:46:27,171
limited budget to buy open space. We're the most important

680
00:46:27,171 --> 00:46:31,862
open space lands should be. So when I look to

681
00:46:31,862 --> 00:46:37,117
the north, I think I'm seeing both houses and industrial.

682
00:46:37,117 --> 00:46:40,637
Is that. Yeah, there's no residential. Development there. That's business

683
00:46:40,637 --> 00:46:43,710
park. It's commercially. In the city of Louisville, and that's

684
00:46:43,710 --> 00:46:47,230
their annex boundary. Okay. And to the south of the

685
00:46:47,230 --> 00:46:53,113
northwest Parkway. Similar. Brimfield and that's all. I actually haven't

686
00:46:53,113 --> 00:46:58,528
looked into the. Residential. Okay. Regana says that's residential to

687
00:46:58,528 --> 00:47:02,460
the south of the North Parkway. Yeah. Mixed youth. Yeah.

688
00:47:04,144 --> 00:47:05,784
So here's my struggle. And I had this when I

689
00:47:05,784 --> 00:47:08,704
was working at EPA when you're trying to protect an

690
00:47:08,704 --> 00:47:15,693
isolated wetland that's bordered between. Highways, Northwest Parkway. Railroads running

691
00:47:15,693 --> 00:47:19,493
through the property. Prairie dogs all over the property. Industrial

692
00:47:19,493 --> 00:47:23,724
to the north. It doesn't feel like a high priority

693
00:47:23,724 --> 00:47:27,964
to me now. Maybe NRCs thinks the soil is good.

694
00:47:27,964 --> 00:47:33,153
That's awesome. But I think to myself, how else would

695
00:47:33,153 --> 00:47:37,568
I spend this money? On what other property? So I'm

696
00:47:37,568 --> 00:47:41,891
struggling with this one. Yeah. If I may, let me

697
00:47:41,891 --> 00:47:46,611
go back to this map and highlight that with the

698
00:47:46,611 --> 00:47:51,891
IGA and this being identified between the municipalities in 1999.

699
00:47:51,891 --> 00:47:56,711
It is primarily, it has all those attributes. That agricultural.

700
00:47:58,176 --> 00:48:01,570
And. It is also tucked between this open space land.

701
00:48:03,108 --> 00:48:06,388
A community buffer in its acquisition and prevention of having

702
00:48:06,388 --> 00:48:08,908
it be annexed into the city of Louisville. Would just

703
00:48:08,908 --> 00:48:11,748
hold the city boundary up where it is and keep

704
00:48:11,748 --> 00:48:16,245
this area conserved as a stretch. Of open space. And

705
00:48:16,245 --> 00:48:19,405
just basically keep the development within the current annex boundaries

706
00:48:19,405 --> 00:48:22,768
has been like one of the primary. Open space interests

707
00:48:22,768 --> 00:48:24,728
of this property. And Janice just sat down next to

708
00:48:24,728 --> 00:48:26,408
me. I'm going. To pass it to her, which always

709
00:48:26,408 --> 00:48:30,122
makes you nervous. Should be. Yes. Can you go back

710
00:48:30,122 --> 00:48:32,522
to the more vicinity? Matt? Melissa, please. Do you want

711
00:48:32,522 --> 00:48:34,442
me? To go back one more. Even that one's good,

712
00:48:34,442 --> 00:48:36,562
right? Well, that one's probably. Good right there. Unless you

713
00:48:36,562 --> 00:48:42,962
have. No, you do have. Okay. This isn't quite what

714
00:48:42,962 --> 00:48:45,882
I was thinking, but maybe go back even further to

715
00:48:45,882 --> 00:48:49,042
that other. One. Yes, thank you. So, Janice Wisman, again,

716
00:48:49,042 --> 00:48:51,122
I just want to provide some more context if you

717
00:48:51,122 --> 00:48:55,202
think back to 1999, this was before Broomfield was actually

718
00:48:55,202 --> 00:48:57,362
a county. So this iga. Melissa said, is with the

719
00:48:57,362 --> 00:48:59,122
city and county of Broomfield. But it was only a

720
00:48:59,122 --> 00:49:02,814
city at that time. So you've got Broomfield. As a

721
00:49:02,814 --> 00:49:05,574
city. You also have Boulder county not having the chunk

722
00:49:05,574 --> 00:49:07,854
that's now taken out. Of it. That's now part of

723
00:49:07,854 --> 00:49:12,014
Broomfield, so our county was more of a right. Angle

724
00:49:12,014 --> 00:49:14,574
there in that area included a piece of land that

725
00:49:14,574 --> 00:49:18,534
was now in Broomfield. So you've got Broomfield growing. You've

726
00:49:18,534 --> 00:49:21,734
got Lewisville growing, Lafayette growing, even superior down in that

727
00:49:21,734 --> 00:49:23,677
area as well. They're not a party to this particular

728
00:49:23,677 --> 00:49:30,267
agreement in 1999. The county didn't have any confidence that.

729
00:49:31,820 --> 00:49:35,260
These other cities that had interest in open space around

730
00:49:35,260 --> 00:49:37,740
them would be able to develop their own open space

731
00:49:37,740 --> 00:49:41,997
programs. We also have all of our sales taxes say

732
00:49:41,997 --> 00:49:44,357
that we're going to not only collect these sales taxes

733
00:49:44,357 --> 00:49:47,397
and use them on priority acquisitions, but that we're going

734
00:49:47,397 --> 00:49:50,557
to consult the communities about what those priority acquisitions should

735
00:49:50,557 --> 00:49:54,677
be. This property has been on the list for Lewisville.

736
00:49:54,677 --> 00:49:57,677
As a gateway, which is why we named it that.

737
00:49:57,677 --> 00:50:01,111
And a community buff. Buffer for them for well over

738
00:50:01,111 --> 00:50:03,551
a decade. We don't have records that go back much.

739
00:50:03,551 --> 00:50:06,671
Farther than that, but it's safe to say since 1999,

740
00:50:06,671 --> 00:50:10,351
when this IGA was entered, into that identified this property,

741
00:50:10,351 --> 00:50:12,911
and along with the others that Melissa described as being

742
00:50:12,911 --> 00:50:16,671
designated for rural preservation that the cities in the area

743
00:50:16,671 --> 00:50:20,360
and the county together felt that the. Best way to

744
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:24,120
preserve some space between these communities was to agree on

745
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:27,080
which properties should be within the city's municipal influence areas

746
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:30,480
and which areas should be in the rural preservation area

747
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:33,000
and then they agreed that they would, as she's described,

748
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:36,600
work together in one fashion or another. It wasn't known

749
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:40,474
at the time. To protect these properties. And the reason

750
00:50:40,474 --> 00:50:45,906
in my mind. Why there's no specific. Designation of how

751
00:50:45,906 --> 00:50:48,306
much the city is going to put in, and that

752
00:50:48,306 --> 00:50:49,586
city is going to put in is you don't know

753
00:50:49,586 --> 00:50:54,105
which property we're talking about in the case. So thinking

754
00:50:54,105 --> 00:50:57,785
back to Mayha for farm, a little bit different situation

755
00:50:57,785 --> 00:51:01,846
that one involved only Lewisville. And Lafayette. They both were

756
00:51:01,846 --> 00:51:04,806
very interested in that one, and we had a separate

757
00:51:04,806 --> 00:51:08,366
Iga that did specify what they would contribute in that

758
00:51:08,366 --> 00:51:12,237
case, because. They were so interested in making sure that

759
00:51:12,237 --> 00:51:15,517
those two communities didn't grow together in that location. We

760
00:51:15,517 --> 00:51:18,597
don't have the same situation here because Lafayette is not

761
00:51:18,597 --> 00:51:23,798
involved. They're not down that far. Broomfield. Was just becoming

762
00:51:23,798 --> 00:51:26,958
a thing to be a county, not just a city.

763
00:51:26,958 --> 00:51:29,558
So they were identifying and thinking about their own open

764
00:51:29,558 --> 00:51:32,518
space program. But what was clear was that they all

765
00:51:32,518 --> 00:51:35,078
agreed that this property should not be developed, and they

766
00:51:35,078 --> 00:51:38,758
wanted it to be an urban community buffer, and we

767
00:51:38,758 --> 00:51:41,758
don't hear about that a lot here at Kozak because.

768
00:51:42,786 --> 00:51:45,167
Our department. As a whole. If you think about our

769
00:51:45,167 --> 00:51:48,607
work groups, we've got the wildlife group, the plant ecology

770
00:51:48,607 --> 00:51:52,116
group. The AG group and the Cultural Resources group and

771
00:51:52,116 --> 00:51:54,316
all those other things that you hear about and think

772
00:51:54,316 --> 00:51:58,116
about as part of open space. But community buffers are

773
00:51:58,116 --> 00:52:00,916
something that the real estate division and the planning division

774
00:52:00,916 --> 00:52:03,756
are the two that think about. And so we're in

775
00:52:03,756 --> 00:52:08,356
a position here, where we are to implement the county's

776
00:52:08,356 --> 00:52:12,396
foresight back to 19. 99 to designate this property for

777
00:52:12,396 --> 00:52:14,876
open space. And that's why we're going after it, and

778
00:52:14,876 --> 00:52:17,396
we have to move. Just like I was describing earlier

779
00:52:17,396 --> 00:52:21,476
on the Kestrel acquisition. We have to do these acquisitions

780
00:52:21,476 --> 00:52:23,636
quickly on the seller's time frame and work out all

781
00:52:23,636 --> 00:52:26,516
these other details later. So that's why we are where

782
00:52:26,516 --> 00:52:31,218
we are today with this property, Tony. Lewis pose. Posek.

783
00:52:31,218 --> 00:52:34,736
Thank you. Can I make a comment about your question?

784
00:52:34,736 --> 00:52:44,675
Sure. What's your name? John white. Person who left

785
00:52:44,675 --> 00:52:51,231
a comment. On the website. She had a really good

786
00:52:51,231 --> 00:52:55,451
point. Where one advantage to this is you got wildlife

787
00:52:55,451 --> 00:52:58,251
corridors, whereas if you look at the map here, it

788
00:52:58,251 --> 00:53:01,091
says that this area is national importance, but they have

789
00:53:01,091 --> 00:53:07,079
a 711 on it. So that. This would. It's not

790
00:53:07,079 --> 00:53:09,879
just the fact that it has industrial to the north

791
00:53:09,879 --> 00:53:16,776
and a railroad. There are other advantages. There could be.

792
00:53:16,776 --> 00:53:21,865
Thank you. I have another question now. So, like tonight,

793
00:53:21,865 --> 00:53:26,597
we're seeing this property. And it's been identified by these

794
00:53:26,597 --> 00:53:30,828
entities and. How many other properties are there like that?

795
00:53:32,390 --> 00:53:35,088
And especially. What are those properties look like? So I

796
00:53:35,088 --> 00:53:37,688
need context, I guess. Like, all of a sudden, it's

797
00:53:37,688 --> 00:53:40,448
like, here's a map. Here's an important property. It's been

798
00:53:40,448 --> 00:53:44,072
identified by these entities. We've all agreed we're going to

799
00:53:44,072 --> 00:53:46,672
buy it when it comes up. How many? More of

800
00:53:46,672 --> 00:53:49,472
those are there and where are they? And how do

801
00:53:49,472 --> 00:53:52,352
I put it in context of wow. Let's spend the

802
00:53:52,352 --> 00:53:55,592
money on this. But in a month, this other big

803
00:53:55,592 --> 00:53:57,992
property is coming available over here. And we've all agreed

804
00:53:57,992 --> 00:54:00,952
from the 99 iga that we're. Also going to purchase

805
00:54:00,952 --> 00:54:05,606
that. The context is hard, the lack of context. Appreciate

806
00:54:05,606 --> 00:54:08,566
that, Tony. Janice Wiscon again, and I want to remind

807
00:54:08,566 --> 00:54:12,447
you and make an offer to everyone again. Because we

808
00:54:12,447 --> 00:54:15,247
have some new members who haven't seen this. But annually

809
00:54:15,247 --> 00:54:17,367
at your retreat, we give you the context in an

810
00:54:17,367 --> 00:54:22,691
executive session. We can't give you that context today. In

811
00:54:22,691 --> 00:54:26,386
this instance. We need to have those conversations in executive

812
00:54:26,386 --> 00:54:27,986
sessions so that we can tell you about them. I

813
00:54:27,986 --> 00:54:33,559
can tell you. Over time and have develop. Developed pretty

814
00:54:33,559 --> 00:54:37,319
recently, an updated version of what we think are priority

815
00:54:37,319 --> 00:54:41,359
properties, and we are refining that. List, knowing that over

816
00:54:41,359 --> 00:54:46,457
time, our acquisition. Monies are going to. We're at the

817
00:54:46,457 --> 00:54:47,817
end. If you look at that, to me, that looks

818
00:54:47,817 --> 00:54:50,337
like a puzzle. That map that you're seeing, that's a

819
00:54:50,337 --> 00:54:53,497
puzzle. We are at the end. We're finishing the puzzle

820
00:54:53,497 --> 00:54:56,337
for what open space should be for Boulder county. We

821
00:54:56,337 --> 00:54:59,431
still have a lot of. Parcels to acquire, and there

822
00:54:59,431 --> 00:55:03,471
are dozens, I will say. But that number is being

823
00:55:03,471 --> 00:55:05,591
refined as we try to go after the ones that

824
00:55:05,591 --> 00:55:08,846
are super important. And not bring you the ones that

825
00:55:08,846 --> 00:55:11,646
are not important. So I just want you to understand

826
00:55:11,646 --> 00:55:13,646
what I'm saying here that we are not going to

827
00:55:13,646 --> 00:55:16,526
come to you with a suggestion that we buy a

828
00:55:16,526 --> 00:55:19,046
property that we don't as a department think is important

829
00:55:19,046 --> 00:55:22,006
to finish that. Puzzle. So if you could keep that

830
00:55:22,006 --> 00:55:25,948
in mind as you think about these. There's a context

831
00:55:25,948 --> 00:55:29,628
that I can give you in open session, and happy

832
00:55:29,628 --> 00:55:33,108
to sit down. Either as a group and do a

833
00:55:33,108 --> 00:55:37,268
mid year executive session or individually if anyone wants a

834
00:55:37,268 --> 00:55:39,548
refresher we can do that individually with each one of

835
00:55:39,548 --> 00:55:41,948
you or several of you or whoever. Wants to do

836
00:55:41,948 --> 00:55:46,343
that. But that context is Boulder county has been acquiring

837
00:55:46,343 --> 00:55:51,594
land. Diligently, especially since we got our sales tax passed

838
00:55:51,594 --> 00:55:55,914
in 1993. And we have been very successful in completing

839
00:55:55,914 --> 00:55:59,394
this puzzle of what's left from the federal lands, the

840
00:55:59,394 --> 00:56:01,674
lands that the cities are pursuing and what can the

841
00:56:01,674 --> 00:56:05,674
county do to contribute to the vision that this entire

842
00:56:05,674 --> 00:56:09,544
community has. And we are saying no on a daily

843
00:56:09,544 --> 00:56:14,026
basis. In fact, Aaron wanted to go after something. I

844
00:56:14,026 --> 00:56:16,845
put him on the spot here. He brought something to

845
00:56:16,845 --> 00:56:18,765
me a couple of days ago and said, wouldn't this

846
00:56:18,765 --> 00:56:21,947
be a great one. And normally. In the previous days

847
00:56:21,947 --> 00:56:24,707
when we were going after just about everything we could.

848
00:56:24,707 --> 00:56:28,315
Maybe so, maybe so. However, we are trying to focus

849
00:56:28,315 --> 00:56:30,955
our acquisition money on the things that are truly important.

850
00:56:32,699 --> 00:56:34,579
And I told him we're not going to pursue that

851
00:56:34,579 --> 00:56:36,739
particular one. It's a small property, and it's in a

852
00:56:36,739 --> 00:56:39,734
completely different area of the county, et cetera. This one

853
00:56:39,734 --> 00:56:41,614
and, like, other ones. And so I want you to

854
00:56:41,614 --> 00:56:43,539
understand. In the several dozen that we have left to

855
00:56:43,539 --> 00:56:49,635
go after. It includes. Community priorities. And this one is

856
00:56:49,635 --> 00:56:52,675
a Lewisville priority. Has been a Lewisville priority forever. We

857
00:56:52,675 --> 00:56:55,814
are supposed to. Share the wealth of that sales tax

858
00:56:55,814 --> 00:57:01,900
with the properties that the communities want to acquire. And

859
00:57:01,900 --> 00:57:05,420
so I can't state it any differently in open session,

860
00:57:05,420 --> 00:57:09,118
but. I do hope that you appreciate what I'm saying,

861
00:57:09,118 --> 00:57:13,198
that we're coming to you. With things that we believe

862
00:57:13,198 --> 00:57:17,489
meet the mission, meet the priorities. Keep us focused on

863
00:57:17,489 --> 00:57:19,889
what we can do with what's left, and at the

864
00:57:19,889 --> 00:57:21,889
same time, I hope that you can understand too that

865
00:57:21,889 --> 00:57:26,218
we are not operating. Yes. There eventually will not be

866
00:57:26,218 --> 00:57:29,298
any more acquisitions to do. Or. Yes, maybe eventually we'll

867
00:57:29,298 --> 00:57:32,578
decide. We don't want to spend more money on acquisitions

868
00:57:32,578 --> 00:57:37,722
because. The tax picture changes over time, but this community,

869
00:57:37,722 --> 00:57:40,122
last time that we ran a sales tax ballot, and

870
00:57:40,122 --> 00:57:41,922
there are several that we have. So last time we

871
00:57:41,922 --> 00:57:45,402
did an initiative, it passed at over 80%. So this

872
00:57:45,402 --> 00:57:49,362
community still really supports the open space program? We believe

873
00:57:49,362 --> 00:57:52,441
they will continue to do that. As the sales taxes

874
00:57:52,441 --> 00:57:56,561
are asked to be extended over time, hopefully someday made

875
00:57:56,561 --> 00:57:59,228
permanent. That sort of thing. So we're not operating in

876
00:57:59,228 --> 00:58:01,628
our division or in the department from a position of

877
00:58:01,628 --> 00:58:05,028
scarcity. We are doing what we can to go after

878
00:58:05,028 --> 00:58:07,508
property now because it's never going to be any cheaper,

879
00:58:07,508 --> 00:58:12,085
right? Too bad we couldn't have done this 130 years

880
00:58:12,085 --> 00:58:15,198
ago when it probably first got on. The list. But.

881
00:58:17,041 --> 00:58:18,801
We have the money to do what we need to

882
00:58:18,801 --> 00:58:22,401
do, and we're bringing you priorities. So I hope you

883
00:58:22,401 --> 00:58:24,641
can go home with those two things. I think I

884
00:58:24,641 --> 00:58:29,002
can. Thank you. Thank you for the lengthy explanation. I

885
00:58:29,002 --> 00:58:32,002
hope you don't take these questions as we don't believe

886
00:58:32,002 --> 00:58:35,642
that you're. Bringing us priority properties, but I think it's

887
00:58:35,642 --> 00:58:39,042
incumbent upon us to ask some of these questions. Sure,

888
00:58:39,042 --> 00:58:41,722
and we're happy to answer your questions. I'm just trying

889
00:58:41,722 --> 00:58:46,707
to. Say that. When the perspective is we shouldn't do

890
00:58:46,707 --> 00:58:48,667
this one, because if we do this one, we can't

891
00:58:48,667 --> 00:58:51,947
do that one. That's a scarcity mindset, and we don't.

892
00:58:51,947 --> 00:58:56,620
Have that situation. That's what I'm trying to say. Well,

893
00:58:56,620 --> 00:59:00,380
that's interesting. We'll have to have a longer discussion about

894
00:59:00,380 --> 00:59:03,740
that because I think the people of Boulder county also

895
00:59:03,740 --> 00:59:06,980
voted for this open space tax to acquire and manage

896
00:59:06,980 --> 00:59:09,940
these properties, if I'm not mistaken, they did. And we

897
00:59:09,940 --> 00:59:12,660
have that responsibility as well, I think. What would be

898
00:59:12,660 --> 00:59:15,740
helpful. And I appreciate the offer. I think it would

899
00:59:15,740 --> 00:59:19,962
be great to. Do a mid. Year session with Posac

900
00:59:19,962 --> 00:59:23,753
to look at the properties again. In closed session, and

901
00:59:23,753 --> 00:59:26,611
I think it'd be really valuable. To see some of

902
00:59:26,611 --> 00:59:30,971
the properties that you declined. I think that would, again,

903
00:59:30,971 --> 00:59:36,837
give us some context. For how you're prioritizing making decisions.

904
00:59:36,837 --> 00:59:41,635
Happy to do that. Thanks. Thank you for that discussion,

905
00:59:41,635 --> 00:59:45,304
Tony and Janice. I'm going to go this way, and

906
00:59:45,304 --> 00:59:50,765
then we'll come back, Vicky, okay? Joan. Joan Lozac and

907
00:59:50,765 --> 00:59:54,245
I just had a comment in favor of purchasing it

908
00:59:54,245 --> 00:59:57,925
first. It's in southeast county. The other one was in

909
00:59:57,925 --> 01:00:02,605
north central. And it's good to have especially property near

910
01:00:02,605 --> 01:00:08,849
populations, beginning. Some interest. From county open space. But the

911
01:00:08,849 --> 01:00:11,974
second thing is that. It's not only in my opinion.

912
01:00:13,706 --> 01:00:17,084
The soil, the good soil that. Makes it agricultural land.

913
01:00:18,477 --> 01:00:21,957
Of importance, national importance, but also that we're losing so

914
01:00:21,957 --> 01:00:26,117
much to development of our good. Farmland. And this is

915
01:00:26,117 --> 01:00:29,637
not only good soil, but I would say that it's

916
01:00:29,637 --> 01:00:34,170
a large enough size. And it's sort of squareish, and

917
01:00:34,170 --> 01:00:38,970
so it's farmable with conventional tools. And also, although it

918
01:00:38,970 --> 01:00:42,730
does have that business park to the north of it,

919
01:00:44,099 --> 01:00:47,379
There is some connection to other farmlands, and that also

920
01:00:47,379 --> 01:00:51,219
makes it more enticing. I would think to a farmer

921
01:00:51,219 --> 01:00:55,939
to be connected in that way. That's all. Thanks, John.

922
01:00:55,939 --> 01:01:00,779
Okay. Trace. Trace Baker Posac. Thank you, Melissa. A couple

923
01:01:00,779 --> 01:01:03,259
of things. I mean, literally two things. To bring up

924
01:01:03,259 --> 01:01:07,471
here. One is that in several of your aerial views,

925
01:01:07,471 --> 01:01:11,064
you had red dots on the. Western section of the

926
01:01:11,064 --> 01:01:14,805
property. And what are you trying to indicate there? Yeah.

927
01:01:16,849 --> 01:01:20,355
I saw those. Probably just heard a fan. So this

928
01:01:20,355 --> 01:01:26,035
is the Boulder county assessors parcel layer. And those dots

929
01:01:26,035 --> 01:01:30,675
indicate that there's another interest. So those indicate mineral ownership.

930
01:01:30,675 --> 01:01:35,081
And one of the things that I. Or lease, which

931
01:01:35,081 --> 01:01:37,321
this way. So one of the things that I had,

932
01:01:37,321 --> 01:01:40,842
because. We are moving at a faster pace than usual.

933
01:01:42,336 --> 01:01:45,216
We haven't finished the full evaluation with the county attorney's

934
01:01:45,216 --> 01:01:47,816
office on the title. So what I can tell you

935
01:01:47,816 --> 01:01:49,976
is that it is very likely, and we're working on

936
01:01:49,976 --> 01:01:53,936
that final determination that the minerals have been reserved from

937
01:01:53,936 --> 01:01:56,816
this property and that they will likely not be available

938
01:01:56,816 --> 01:02:00,418
for purchase with the land. And those dots can also

939
01:02:00,418 --> 01:02:04,258
mean leases. We're also looking at that and whether there

940
01:02:04,258 --> 01:02:07,338
are any leases that could have been active and unitized.

941
01:02:08,539 --> 01:02:10,779
We're still determining that. I can say there's no oil

942
01:02:10,779 --> 01:02:20,610
and gas wells, okay? But. I

943
01:02:20,610 --> 01:02:25,090
just learned something new. Okay, that these red dots can

944
01:02:25,090 --> 01:02:30,467
also mean that there's an agricultural lease interest. With Megan.

945
01:02:30,467 --> 01:02:34,467
So the assessor collects taxes on possessory interest in land,

946
01:02:34,467 --> 01:02:36,827
and so they could. Mean leases as well, and that's

947
01:02:36,827 --> 01:02:40,806
part of our due diligence process. I don't know if.

948
01:02:40,806 --> 01:02:43,846
And I'll just. Maybe I shouldn't say this. But Melissa.

949
01:02:43,846 --> 01:02:45,966
This is Melissa's project. She knows all the details. I'm

950
01:02:45,966 --> 01:02:48,966
not into. The details on it, but because the property

951
01:02:48,966 --> 01:02:52,406
changed hands, it could be possible the assessor still has

952
01:02:52,406 --> 01:02:54,646
a possessory interest marked for. At least that's no longer

953
01:02:54,646 --> 01:02:58,253
in effect. An agricultural lease. Had no idea about agriculture

954
01:02:58,253 --> 01:03:00,453
leases. Thank you. Yeah. So those are the little dots.

955
01:03:03,155 --> 01:03:07,841
Okay. Thank you. Second question. In the handout that you

956
01:03:07,841 --> 01:03:13,132
gave us. The county will purchase any minerals mineral rights

957
01:03:13,132 --> 01:03:18,168
that are available. So if your research does find that

958
01:03:18,168 --> 01:03:22,928
mineral rights are available and worth purchasing, then that will

959
01:03:22,928 --> 01:03:28,847
be funded at some future time. Good question. No. It's

960
01:03:28,847 --> 01:03:31,487
in the letter of intent that the county, with this

961
01:03:31,487 --> 01:03:34,647
2.7 million, will be buying any and all water right

962
01:03:34,647 --> 01:03:37,967
and mineral right interests that are available. If we had

963
01:03:37,967 --> 01:03:39,967
that. Answer today, we just would have broken out the

964
01:03:39,967 --> 01:03:44,567
number with a clear $100,000 allocated. Toward the minerals. Okay,

965
01:03:44,567 --> 01:03:48,878
but it comes along, we get it at closing. If

966
01:03:48,878 --> 01:03:53,468
it's there. Okay, thank you. All right. Going down the

967
01:03:53,468 --> 01:03:59,082
line. Do you have anything? Christine. Christine Johnson? Posack. I

968
01:03:59,082 --> 01:04:05,509
also want to reiterate. Support for this purchase. Janice knows

969
01:04:05,509 --> 01:04:14,407
this, but. I have a rural western Colorado. Background. And

970
01:04:14,407 --> 01:04:21,213
my grandfather was a farmer. And. I have been on

971
01:04:21,213 --> 01:04:25,020
the front range. Off and on since the late eighty

972
01:04:25,020 --> 01:04:28,260
s and I've watched the development of Boulder county with.

973
01:04:30,512 --> 01:04:37,791
Great dismay. And. I've watched agricultural land of high quality.

974
01:04:39,405 --> 01:04:44,229
My background. Is plant and soil ecology. I really value

975
01:04:44,229 --> 01:04:50,914
the nrcs. I've watched high quality farmland get snapped up

976
01:04:50,914 --> 01:04:54,514
and turned into sprawl, and I realized that sprawl is

977
01:04:54,514 --> 01:04:58,474
also homes. But I think that we need to plan

978
01:04:58,474 --> 01:05:01,714
our communities. Intentionally, and I think that that's part of.

979
01:05:03,322 --> 01:05:06,997
What this is about and. I fully support the comprehensive

980
01:05:06,997 --> 01:05:12,871
plan. And keeping our cities separate from each other and

981
01:05:12,871 --> 01:05:19,212
retaining. Farmland and the capacity for farming. Within the county.

982
01:05:20,958 --> 01:05:27,382
And. We're not just about recreation. We're also about preservation,

983
01:05:27,382 --> 01:05:31,102
and I was thinking about the list of priority properties.

984
01:05:32,445 --> 01:05:35,725
If you're up for reviewing it with us again, I'd

985
01:05:35,725 --> 01:05:39,911
love to see it. Again. I also want to. Comment.

986
01:05:41,076 --> 01:05:47,699
That farmland and rangeland. Provides us with the capacity to

987
01:05:47,699 --> 01:05:52,826
store carbon based on how it's managed. And development, or

988
01:05:52,826 --> 01:06:01,536
sprawl, goes against that. Thank you. Derek. Thank you. Derek

989
01:06:01,536 --> 01:06:04,776
Turner. I appreciate the presentation and all of this context.

990
01:06:04,776 --> 01:06:09,831
I admit I had similar concerns to Tony. When just

991
01:06:09,831 --> 01:06:13,252
hearing this, so this has been really helpful. I guess

992
01:06:13,252 --> 01:06:15,852
I am a little struck with the idea that the

993
01:06:15,852 --> 01:06:19,572
seller of property like this at this price is rushing.

994
01:06:21,163 --> 01:06:25,196
To close. Is there any kind of context about. Is

995
01:06:25,196 --> 01:06:29,316
there another offer or somebody competing for this? Yeah, and

996
01:06:29,316 --> 01:06:35,512
I would say. That when this property became available, We

997
01:06:35,512 --> 01:06:39,192
were able to negotiate a very good price on this

998
01:06:39,192 --> 01:06:44,972
property. Without them turning to other offers. With this request

999
01:06:44,972 --> 01:06:48,332
as part of the negotiation that it closed within 60

1000
01:06:48,332 --> 01:06:49,652
days. I think it ended. Up being a little more

1001
01:06:49,652 --> 01:06:51,892
than that because we needed to accommodate the public process.

1002
01:06:53,587 --> 01:06:56,418
So. That was one of the pieces of the negotiation

1003
01:06:56,418 --> 01:06:59,178
that allowed us to get to it. Yes. So. I

1004
01:06:59,178 --> 01:07:01,978
can't speculate on the rush at all, except that this

1005
01:07:01,978 --> 01:07:05,047
was part of what needed to happen. And part of

1006
01:07:05,047 --> 01:07:06,847
my comment is I think this would be a slam

1007
01:07:06,847 --> 01:07:09,127
dunk if you had a commitment from these other communities.

1008
01:07:11,262 --> 01:07:15,042
To contribute, and I am concerned that. Yes. I hope

1009
01:07:15,042 --> 01:07:17,322
that their budgets are in good shape and they see

1010
01:07:17,322 --> 01:07:22,395
the value of this property. And Janice, your comment about

1011
01:07:22,395 --> 01:07:28,183
part of the fund. Boulder County's obligation to share the

1012
01:07:28,183 --> 01:07:32,754
wealth. From the communities that contribute. That was something I

1013
01:07:32,754 --> 01:07:35,954
hadn't heard before. And so that helps me understand it,

1014
01:07:35,954 --> 01:07:38,538
because I do feel like. This as a buffer interest.

1015
01:07:39,955 --> 01:07:44,523
It's really a Lewisville. Broomfield interest. And you're helping me

1016
01:07:44,523 --> 01:07:48,071
understand the county's interest. Because to the extent that these

1017
01:07:48,071 --> 01:07:51,950
communities. Can pay some of this cost, I would feel

1018
01:07:51,950 --> 01:07:56,127
much better about it. And I will admit. Talking about

1019
01:07:56,127 --> 01:08:02,090
the scarcity mindset after last month. Talking about. Recommending approval

1020
01:08:02,090 --> 01:08:04,810
of this $4 million cost next year for the cardinal

1021
01:08:04,810 --> 01:08:09,322
mill, and knowing that that could be something. That's a

1022
01:08:09,322 --> 01:08:13,263
hole in the budget. And potentially growing every year. I

1023
01:08:13,263 --> 01:08:16,463
appreciate your optimism with that. That's not going to affect

1024
01:08:16,463 --> 01:08:23,085
priorities. So thanks for allowing me to ramble. I appreciate

1025
01:08:23,085 --> 01:08:27,445
that presentation. All right, thanks, Derek and Vicky. You had

1026
01:08:27,445 --> 01:08:30,325
one other thing. Yeah? Vicky Lawrence with Posac. Would you

1027
01:08:30,325 --> 01:08:35,039
mind going back? One more frame, I think here. Or

1028
01:08:35,039 --> 01:08:38,118
maybe even one more. I guess I don't see it

1029
01:08:38,118 --> 01:08:44,662
all necessarily here. But. This area. Is part of the

1030
01:08:44,662 --> 01:08:48,422
home territory of appear bald eagles that has been nesting

1031
01:08:48,422 --> 01:08:53,182
in the sterns. Lake area since 2011 2012, and I've

1032
01:08:53,182 --> 01:08:57,254
been monitoring. That pair of eagles for Boulder county, and

1033
01:08:57,254 --> 01:09:00,454
they have moved around various reasons. There's been all kinds

1034
01:09:00,454 --> 01:09:02,294
of things that have happened with their nest, and they've

1035
01:09:02,294 --> 01:09:05,294
moved to several different locations, but this definitely would be

1036
01:09:05,294 --> 01:09:08,574
included in their hunting grounds, in their territory. So the

1037
01:09:08,574 --> 01:09:12,414
presence of prairie dogs is actually a good thing from

1038
01:09:12,414 --> 01:09:16,770
eight bald eagles perspective. The other thing that I like

1039
01:09:16,770 --> 01:09:20,690
about this property specifically is the connectivity. Although, of course,

1040
01:09:20,690 --> 01:09:24,650
connectivity costs highways. And railroad tracks isn't such a problem,

1041
01:09:24,650 --> 01:09:29,100
but across highways is somewhat problematic. Anyway, I just wanted

1042
01:09:29,100 --> 01:09:31,580
to bring up that wildlife piece that I see that

1043
01:09:31,580 --> 01:09:36,340
as incredibly crucial and. Beneficial to these eagles as they

1044
01:09:36,340 --> 01:09:40,322
watch. More and more of their land and their prairie

1045
01:09:40,322 --> 01:09:46,972
dogs get. Admittedly, bald eagles are not necessarily native to

1046
01:09:46,972 --> 01:09:49,972
Colorado, but they're here now, and we all like them.

1047
01:09:52,306 --> 01:09:56,066
Thanks, Vicky. Anything else? Okay, I think Tony had one

1048
01:09:56,066 --> 01:10:01,397
more question. Tony Lewis. Green on. Melissa, you were saying

1049
01:10:01,397 --> 01:10:04,877
that we don't know about the mineral rights yet and

1050
01:10:04,877 --> 01:10:08,887
whether they've been severed or if they're whole. If they

1051
01:10:08,887 --> 01:10:13,246
have been severed and we can't purchase them. There was

1052
01:10:13,246 --> 01:10:16,166
brief mention of oiling gas. Could there be oil and

1053
01:10:16,166 --> 01:10:20,878
gas on this property? If the mineral rights are severed

1054
01:10:20,878 --> 01:10:26,114
and somebody else decides to drill. Yes. And that is.

1055
01:10:27,722 --> 01:10:30,872
How am I on cancer? And that is how we

1056
01:10:30,872 --> 01:10:33,472
have had to make some open space purchase decisions over

1057
01:10:33,472 --> 01:10:37,767
the decades. Where? It is decided that it's more important

1058
01:10:37,767 --> 01:10:40,287
to protect that land and the development and what we

1059
01:10:40,287 --> 01:10:46,653
can, and then. Because typically the mineral owners. Come to

1060
01:10:46,653 --> 01:10:48,653
the surface owners, even though they have the right to

1061
01:10:48,653 --> 01:10:51,773
enter and drill, there are usually surface use agreements, and

1062
01:10:51,773 --> 01:10:54,133
there are conversations, and we can help direct some of

1063
01:10:54,133 --> 01:10:59,717
that harm. So, yes, it would be a possibility. But.

1064
01:11:02,328 --> 01:11:04,928
That would not stop the acquisition from occurring, knowing that

1065
01:11:04,928 --> 01:11:06,488
could be the case, because we could have an impact

1066
01:11:06,488 --> 01:11:12,043
on how that would look. So if they were severed,

1067
01:11:12,043 --> 01:11:16,170
could somebody do aggregate mining there? I don't have that

1068
01:11:16,170 --> 01:11:22,923
answer. Janice does. Janice whistman. So the mineral rights? Yes.

1069
01:11:24,860 --> 01:11:27,220
There's all kinds of mineral interest, right? Not just oil

1070
01:11:27,220 --> 01:11:32,400
and gas. You're right. There's aggregate coal, et cetera. We

1071
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:34,640
have no knowledge that there's any aggregate under this piece

1072
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:38,560
of property. So, yes, technically. It could occur, whether it

1073
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:43,085
would be feasible and something that somebody would pursue. Is

1074
01:11:43,085 --> 01:11:47,477
fairly doubtful. It's not in a string bed. Yeah. There's

1075
01:11:47,477 --> 01:11:53,734
no streams identified nearby. Thanks. Okay, Derek. Sorry. One last

1076
01:11:53,734 --> 01:11:56,574
question on that topic. If they have been severed, do

1077
01:11:56,574 --> 01:12:01,718
you expect to. Negotiate a price decrease. No. Is that

1078
01:12:01,718 --> 01:12:11,383
because. You're under contract and. That's just not. That seems

1079
01:12:11,383 --> 01:12:15,703
like a significant interest in this area. Janice Wisman again,

1080
01:12:15,703 --> 01:12:18,183
Melissa has negotiated an awesome price on this piece of

1081
01:12:18,183 --> 01:12:20,223
property, and we hope that the minerals will come with

1082
01:12:20,223 --> 01:12:22,903
it. But we knew when we were negotiating that price

1083
01:12:22,903 --> 01:12:31,404
that they may not. Thanks, Janice. Okay. Anything else? It

1084
01:12:31,404 --> 01:12:33,804
has been a great conversation. I think it goes beyond

1085
01:12:33,804 --> 01:12:36,564
even. We've learned a lot. Going even beyond this purchase.

1086
01:12:36,564 --> 01:12:41,959
So thank you, everybody. Posac and Melissa and Janice. So

1087
01:12:41,959 --> 01:12:44,679
let's move on. I think we do have some public

1088
01:12:44,679 --> 01:12:49,204
comment on this one. So anybody inside right here now

1089
01:12:49,204 --> 01:12:52,004
that wants to comment on this? Yeah, come on up.

1090
01:12:54,289 --> 01:12:57,009
And you have three minutes. And if you state your

1091
01:12:57,009 --> 01:13:00,049
name and relatively where you live, like the city. You

1092
01:13:00,049 --> 01:13:01,889
don't have to give us a street address or anything.

1093
01:13:03,460 --> 01:13:06,540
Sure. I'm happy. Close to the mic. As close as

1094
01:13:06,540 --> 01:13:11,441
you can. You're good. I'm Catherine Smith. I'm a Lewisville

1095
01:13:11,441 --> 01:13:14,841
resident, and I am also a member. Of a group

1096
01:13:14,841 --> 01:13:20,524
called the Louisville open space advocates. And we were formed

1097
01:13:20,524 --> 01:13:24,948
at the time that Lewisville. Last put through its open

1098
01:13:24,948 --> 01:13:34,448
space sales tax. And then we stayed involved. And. Basically.

1099
01:13:35,879 --> 01:13:41,254
Advert hate for all things open space in Louisville. We

1100
01:13:41,254 --> 01:13:45,174
are very supportive of this acquisition, and I think your

1101
01:13:45,174 --> 01:13:48,613
conversation. Brought out a lot of the reasons that we

1102
01:13:48,613 --> 01:13:54,199
are. Some of what I'm going to say. I think

1103
01:13:54,199 --> 01:13:59,119
it might be useful to understand that Louisville City charter

1104
01:13:59,119 --> 01:14:02,719
also is guiding a lot of what we are doing

1105
01:14:02,719 --> 01:14:06,479
because it sets out the criteria for what happens with

1106
01:14:06,479 --> 01:14:13,142
open space. And so the wildlife connectivity is something that

1107
01:14:13,142 --> 01:14:20,668
ties directly into our city charter. The agricultural. Uses of

1108
01:14:20,668 --> 01:14:23,908
the land is also something that ties directly into our

1109
01:14:23,908 --> 01:14:28,920
city charter. And unfortunately, and it's interesting to me because

1110
01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:33,680
I see this throughout Boulder county, the ecosystem services and

1111
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:37,884
the climate benefits. Tend not to be reflected in the

1112
01:14:37,884 --> 01:14:42,084
legal framework that affects open space, and that's true. In

1113
01:14:42,084 --> 01:14:46,327
Louisville also. We have already sent a letter to our

1114
01:14:46,327 --> 01:14:56,140
city council. Encouraging them. To support financially and have suggested

1115
01:14:56,140 --> 01:15:01,005
to them that. Based on prior acquisitions that have occurred.

1116
01:15:02,575 --> 01:15:06,547
That at a minimum, they should contribute 25%. We will

1117
01:15:06,547 --> 01:15:12,205
continue to lobby our city council. For. A financial contribution

1118
01:15:12,205 --> 01:15:16,443
in that range. One thing that I think is important

1119
01:15:16,443 --> 01:15:19,563
that hasn't been talked about a ton here is that

1120
01:15:19,563 --> 01:15:25,722
once it's developed, it's gone. And similarly, our city charter.

1121
01:15:30,761 --> 01:15:39,078
Recognizes the buffering, the visual buffering. That's. Part of what

1122
01:15:39,078 --> 01:15:41,998
the property offers. But I think that the map that

1123
01:15:41,998 --> 01:15:45,758
the city staff put together just shows how beautifully it

1124
01:15:45,758 --> 01:15:51,227
connects to properties in Broomfield. And other east boulder properties,

1125
01:15:51,227 --> 01:15:55,187
including properties with conservation easements on them. So it does

1126
01:15:55,187 --> 01:15:58,691
do a lot. In that part of the county. It's

1127
01:15:58,691 --> 01:16:02,553
a sizable chunk of land. I wanted to say, really

1128
01:16:02,553 --> 01:16:06,913
appreciate the county's leadership in this area. Lewisville does not

1129
01:16:06,913 --> 01:16:12,211
have a comparable staff. I am really impressed by what

1130
01:16:12,211 --> 01:16:15,945
the county is offering. To its residents in this regard.

1131
01:16:18,114 --> 01:16:22,887
The depth of staff is really remarkable. And is a

1132
01:16:22,887 --> 01:16:25,567
real benefit to all of us. I wanted to thank

1133
01:16:25,567 --> 01:16:30,293
you all for your service. To the community, and I

1134
01:16:30,293 --> 01:16:34,974
hope you will approve it. Thank you. Thank you, Catherine,

1135
01:16:34,974 --> 01:16:38,854
for your comments. Appreciate it. Do we have anybody else

1136
01:16:38,854 --> 01:16:41,454
from the public in house? Here that want to comment.

1137
01:16:43,356 --> 01:16:45,836
All right, moving on. Nick, do we have anybody online?

1138
01:16:47,370 --> 01:16:49,570
To give a chance. For those on the zoom call.

1139
01:16:49,570 --> 01:16:51,810
If you want to make comments, please use the raise

1140
01:16:51,810 --> 01:17:01,494
hand feature. I'm not seeing any raised hands. All right.

1141
01:17:02,895 --> 01:17:05,695
That's it for public comment, I guess I will mention,

1142
01:17:05,695 --> 01:17:08,295
I think all of us read that there was one

1143
01:17:08,295 --> 01:17:12,744
written comment in support of this. So I hope everybody

1144
01:17:12,744 --> 01:17:17,160
saw that. I guess. Any more discussion? Comment? One last

1145
01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:22,120
comments from postac. Tony's got to have one, Tony. Lou,

1146
01:17:22,120 --> 01:17:24,400
I just want to thank you for the good conversation.

1147
01:17:27,523 --> 01:17:30,123
I think there were some good questions asked and really

1148
01:17:30,123 --> 01:17:32,643
good answers provided, and I think it helped. Educate all

1149
01:17:32,643 --> 01:17:36,537
of us. So thank you. Me too. I learned. It

1150
01:17:36,537 --> 01:17:40,117
looks like Janice has something. If you don't mind, Janice

1151
01:17:40,117 --> 01:17:44,275
Wisman, I'd like to make a couple more. Comments. Melissa

1152
01:17:44,275 --> 01:17:46,955
has described this for you and is formerly known as

1153
01:17:46,955 --> 01:17:51,121
the schroider property. This writer family sold it. To either

1154
01:17:51,121 --> 01:17:52,881
the current owner or the current owner bought it out

1155
01:17:52,881 --> 01:17:55,961
of bankruptcy from the people who bought it from Schwiders.

1156
01:17:55,961 --> 01:17:58,761
I don't remember the exact details, but the plan. Has

1157
01:17:58,761 --> 01:18:02,660
been to develop the property. The purchase price a few

1158
01:18:02,660 --> 01:18:06,140
years ago for this property was $5.7 million, because they

1159
01:18:06,140 --> 01:18:08,860
were speculating they could do something with it. So there's

1160
01:18:08,860 --> 01:18:13,618
your development pressure right there. Okay. And the awesome price

1161
01:18:13,618 --> 01:18:20,371
that Melissa has negotiated. Good job, Melissa. Thanks, everybody. Perspective.

1162
01:18:21,563 --> 01:18:25,510
I have a question. All right, Carol. Carol Byerly. So,

1163
01:18:25,510 --> 01:18:30,190
just out of curiosity, why didn't you tell us that

1164
01:18:30,190 --> 01:18:36,250
in your presentation? Are there proprietary reasons or professional reasons?

1165
01:18:37,431 --> 01:18:45,659
Janice Whistman again, I'll say. So, having said that, We

1166
01:18:45,659 --> 01:18:49,739
don't have eyes into the depth of that sale to

1167
01:18:49,739 --> 01:18:54,358
be able. To. We can't see everything. And sometimes properties

1168
01:18:54,358 --> 01:18:56,998
get sold in batches and there are things. That happen

1169
01:18:56,998 --> 01:18:58,758
behind the scenes that you can't really see through, the

1170
01:18:58,758 --> 01:19:03,291
deeds that get filed. And we also didn't really anticipate

1171
01:19:03,291 --> 01:19:10,259
that. You would be. As concerned as you are or

1172
01:19:10,259 --> 01:19:13,579
questioning about the development pressure in the area and the

1173
01:19:13,579 --> 01:19:15,819
development pressure. I think one of you pointed out earlier.

1174
01:19:15,819 --> 01:19:18,979
There's the CTC to the north, the tech center in

1175
01:19:18,979 --> 01:19:21,499
Lewisville. In the area to the south, that's a lot

1176
01:19:21,499 --> 01:19:23,339
of residential but has a lot of mixed use as

1177
01:19:23,339 --> 01:19:27,375
well. And we're hoping that that would be adequate without

1178
01:19:27,375 --> 01:19:29,535
having to go on too long, because we know you

1179
01:19:29,535 --> 01:19:32,335
have other things on your agenda. We're making a decision

1180
01:19:32,335 --> 01:19:36,775
about how much. Detail to give you. Thank you. All

1181
01:19:36,775 --> 01:19:40,688
right. Thank you, everyone. Derek. Sorry for prolonging it. I

1182
01:19:40,688 --> 01:19:43,648
just wanted to thank the citizen. Carolyn, thank you for.

1183
01:19:43,648 --> 01:19:47,851
Being here and being a citizen. Bridge between. The agencies

1184
01:19:47,851 --> 01:19:53,883
and continuing to lobby for more partnership. Janet, this is

1185
01:19:53,883 --> 01:19:59,777
Nick. We do have. A zoom participant, Leslie Cushman, would

1186
01:19:59,777 --> 01:20:04,337
like to make comments. Leslie, you can unmute yourself. And

1187
01:20:04,337 --> 01:20:13,111
you can go ahead. Leslie, we can't hear you. You're

1188
01:20:13,111 --> 01:20:16,271
still muted. There's nothing I can do on my end

1189
01:20:16,271 --> 01:20:24,285
other than. You have to unmute yourself. Got it. There

1190
01:20:24,285 --> 01:20:27,637
we go. We can hear you. Hi. My name is

1191
01:20:27,637 --> 01:20:32,677
Elkman. I live in. I guess it's Longmont, Colorado, but.

1192
01:20:32,677 --> 01:20:40,122
It's actually hygiene and just a few things. My. Family

1193
01:20:40,122 --> 01:20:42,922
settled here in 1858. This is the cushion property, which

1194
01:20:42,922 --> 01:20:46,122
is not adjacent to Ligerman. I noticed that in your

1195
01:20:46,122 --> 01:20:52,263
last month's meeting, that Cushman. Was indicated to be adjacent

1196
01:20:52,263 --> 01:20:56,143
to Lagerman. It is not. At 6.1 mile north. On

1197
01:20:56,143 --> 01:20:59,383
North 75th Street. I also wanted to say that the

1198
01:20:59,383 --> 01:21:06,013
castrel property. In the graphics, the. Road near it is

1199
01:21:06,013 --> 01:21:10,773
listed as 75th Avenue, but it's North 75th street, and

1200
01:21:10,773 --> 01:21:14,773
its address is zero. The address of Kestrel is listed

1201
01:21:14,773 --> 01:21:19,107
as. Zero North 75th street, which, to me, I think

1202
01:21:19,107 --> 01:21:22,427
that's the address of Cushman. Also, which is it seems

1203
01:21:22,427 --> 01:21:24,947
like Kestrel might already be an open space property, if

1204
01:21:24,947 --> 01:21:29,021
that's. Its address? Anyway. I've just sent you guys a

1205
01:21:29,021 --> 01:21:33,981
very detailed email along with attachments that we have. Been

1206
01:21:33,981 --> 01:21:41,796
in communication with the department. And the commissioners. We cherish

1207
01:21:41,796 --> 01:21:47,229
these lands. This is our home. We want to renew

1208
01:21:47,229 --> 01:21:51,616
and continue. Our leases. Dwayne has hay here that needs

1209
01:21:51,616 --> 01:21:56,103
to get put up. This is his business. This has

1210
01:21:56,103 --> 01:21:59,617
been his life's work. This is his livelihood. And I

1211
01:21:59,617 --> 01:22:01,617
need you guys to read that email I sent, please.

1212
01:22:02,968 --> 01:22:07,738
Every word. Thank you, Leslie. We'll look for the email.

1213
01:22:07,738 --> 01:22:10,898
I think this was about a different topic. So we'll

1214
01:22:10,898 --> 01:22:14,938
consider this. As you have spoke on public comments other

1215
01:22:14,938 --> 01:22:18,058
than what are on the agenda. But thanks for those

1216
01:22:18,058 --> 01:22:22,138
comments, and we will read the email you sent Nick.

1217
01:22:22,138 --> 01:22:28,330
Anything else? Especially pertaining to the topic here with the

1218
01:22:28,330 --> 01:22:34,369
gateway property acquisition. Last chance. Any more hands? Use the

1219
01:22:34,369 --> 01:22:38,628
raise hand feature for those on zoom. I don't see

1220
01:22:38,628 --> 01:22:44,599
any raised hands. All right. Looks like we can move.

1221
01:22:44,599 --> 01:22:46,879
Do I have a motion? And what we're talking about

1222
01:22:46,879 --> 01:22:50,919
doing? Is a recommendation to the Boulder County Commissioners for

1223
01:22:50,919 --> 01:22:54,679
approval of the project as described and further described by

1224
01:22:54,679 --> 01:22:59,560
staff at the Postac meeting. So moved. Second, I guess.

1225
01:23:01,254 --> 01:23:05,332
Let's pick one of you. Four of them at once.

1226
01:23:07,078 --> 01:23:10,856
Let's try it again. Will somebody make a motion? So

1227
01:23:10,856 --> 01:23:13,896
moved. All right, we got one. We'll call Christine. How?

1228
01:23:13,896 --> 01:23:19,157
About a second. 2nd all right, Vicky seconded it. Any

1229
01:23:19,157 --> 01:23:22,117
discussion. I think we've had a lot, but I'll go

1230
01:23:22,117 --> 01:23:24,917
through the motions. All right, let's go to a vote.

1231
01:23:24,917 --> 01:23:31,974
All in favor say aye. Aye. All opposed? No opposed

1232
01:23:31,974 --> 01:23:36,894
and no abstention. So it passes unanimously. And thanks again

1233
01:23:36,894 --> 01:23:41,961
for. Everybody, all the conversation. I learned a heck of

1234
01:23:41,961 --> 01:23:47,974
a lot, and thank you. Thank you. So let's move

1235
01:23:47,974 --> 01:23:50,654
on. Now we're going to move on to an informational

1236
01:23:50,654 --> 01:23:56,254
item about limber pine and Bristolcombine conversation conservation in Boulder

1237
01:23:56,254 --> 01:24:00,812
County. Yeah, and conversations. So, Shane, if you want to

1238
01:24:00,812 --> 01:24:04,172
come up and tell us the status of limber. And

1239
01:24:04,172 --> 01:24:08,754
bristle cone. Tom. Yeah, I've been waiting for this. This

1240
01:24:08,754 --> 01:24:09,474
is a good topic.

1241
01:24:32,331 --> 01:24:40,021
Sort of horrifying, isn't it? That's what it used to

1242
01:24:40,021 --> 01:24:43,141
look like. Good evening, Hozak members. My name is Shane.

1243
01:24:43,141 --> 01:24:46,861
Milni. I'm with the forestry work group at parks and

1244
01:24:46,861 --> 01:24:50,061
open space. I just want. To thank you for hearing

1245
01:24:50,061 --> 01:24:53,483
me out tonight. This is a new area of focus

1246
01:24:53,483 --> 01:24:57,597
for the forestry group. And we're super excited to tell

1247
01:24:57,597 --> 01:24:59,157
you what we've been up to, and I say we,

1248
01:24:59,157 --> 01:25:02,157
because there's two other forestry staff members that aren't here

1249
01:25:02,157 --> 01:25:05,317
tonight, but. They have been integral in moving this program

1250
01:25:05,317 --> 01:25:08,437
forward, and that's fellow named Dan Bilo. He's a forest

1251
01:25:08,437 --> 01:25:11,957
technician with us and Zach Price, who is a long

1252
01:25:11,957 --> 01:25:16,216
term employee and he's a resource senior resource special. Specialist

1253
01:25:16,216 --> 01:25:18,336
with us. So I just want to acknowledge those fellows.

1254
01:25:20,106 --> 01:25:24,115
All right. So before I get into the interesting stuff,

1255
01:25:24,115 --> 01:25:29,772
I have to acknowledge that none of. This work. And

1256
01:25:29,772 --> 01:25:32,132
knowledge that we've gained really would have been pursued if

1257
01:25:32,132 --> 01:25:35,132
it weren't for a policy, actually, which was included in

1258
01:25:35,132 --> 01:25:37,652
the last update to the Boulder county comp plan in

1259
01:25:37,652 --> 01:25:40,972
the ere portion of that count plan, and it states

1260
01:25:40,972 --> 01:25:45,263
that Boulder county will develop. Conservation and recovery plans for

1261
01:25:45,263 --> 01:25:49,263
priority species of special concern. So in the forestry world,

1262
01:25:49,263 --> 01:25:51,623
that turned out to be limber pine and Rocky mountain

1263
01:25:51,623 --> 01:25:56,741
bristolcombine. And I'll probably be referring to Rocky Mountain, Bristol

1264
01:25:56,741 --> 01:25:59,701
and pine going forward, just as bristolcomb pine. There is

1265
01:25:59,701 --> 01:26:02,381
another species of bristlecombine. Does not occur in Colorado. What

1266
01:26:02,381 --> 01:26:07,007
is called. A great base in Bristol cone pine. So

1267
01:26:07,007 --> 01:26:09,487
I'll just be calling Bristol Combine and referring to Rocky

1268
01:26:09,487 --> 01:26:13,446
Mount Briscoe mine. So these species were picked as priority

1269
01:26:13,446 --> 01:26:16,486
species because of their high ecological value as well as

1270
01:26:16,486 --> 01:26:20,686
the many threats that face them. So in 2020, we

1271
01:26:20,686 --> 01:26:23,966
finished those conservation plans. This is just the front. Cover

1272
01:26:23,966 --> 01:26:30,543
of both of those. Pretty straightforward documents. They kind of

1273
01:26:30,543 --> 01:26:34,642
outline the story of the species, why they're important. What's

1274
01:26:34,642 --> 01:26:37,082
threatening them. And probably the most important part of the

1275
01:26:37,082 --> 01:26:40,172
document is what can be. Done to help. So I

1276
01:26:40,172 --> 01:26:42,332
did write you guys a memo, and that's kind of

1277
01:26:42,332 --> 01:26:46,212
a really abbreviated version. Of what is in this document

1278
01:26:46,212 --> 01:26:48,132
because I don't have a ton of time here tonight.

1279
01:26:49,730 --> 01:26:51,250
I'm going to touch on some of the highlights, some

1280
01:26:51,250 --> 01:26:53,730
of the threats, but want to spend most of the

1281
01:26:53,730 --> 01:26:56,210
time talking about what we've actually been doing to help

1282
01:26:56,210 --> 01:27:00,653
conserve the species. All right, so some species highlights. These

1283
01:27:00,653 --> 01:27:02,693
two species are similar in a lot of ways, but

1284
01:27:02,693 --> 01:27:05,973
different. In various ways, and so we'll just kind of

1285
01:27:05,973 --> 01:27:12,637
go through that. So these two species are in a

1286
01:27:12,637 --> 01:27:16,771
kind of a special group amongst the pines. Among the

1287
01:27:16,771 --> 01:27:20,891
48 pines, true pines, that are native to North America.

1288
01:27:22,350 --> 01:27:25,670
Only eleven are in the special group called white pines.

1289
01:27:25,670 --> 01:27:30,122
White pines have. Their needles. All current bundles of five.

1290
01:27:31,691 --> 01:27:34,691
So of those eleven in that white pine family, nine

1291
01:27:34,691 --> 01:27:39,394
are in the US and Canada. And two are in

1292
01:27:39,394 --> 01:27:42,514
Boulder county limber pine or Rocky Mountain brisket pine. So

1293
01:27:42,514 --> 01:27:47,692
this is a bundle of five limber pine needles. Here's

1294
01:27:47,692 --> 01:27:50,372
a picture of Rocky Mountain, Briscoe and Pine. Also, of

1295
01:27:50,372 --> 01:27:53,052
course, needles and fives, but if you notice on the

1296
01:27:53,052 --> 01:27:55,212
needles, they have those little white specks on them. Those

1297
01:27:55,212 --> 01:27:57,492
are just resin specs, and it's a great way to

1298
01:27:57,492 --> 01:28:00,252
identify that that's. In fact, what you're looking at, and

1299
01:28:00,252 --> 01:28:02,812
not a limber pie. And then, of course, the cone

1300
01:28:02,812 --> 01:28:08,753
there has the bristles. Another thing they have in common

1301
01:28:08,753 --> 01:28:13,393
is that they can live in some pretty inhospitable environments.

1302
01:28:13,393 --> 01:28:17,945
In fact, They can live where a lot of other

1303
01:28:17,945 --> 01:28:20,505
trees just couldn't have the chance to live. And so

1304
01:28:20,505 --> 01:28:23,505
this is a picture of a limber pine grown out

1305
01:28:23,505 --> 01:28:25,985
of a rock at our fable property. That's a property

1306
01:28:25,985 --> 01:28:30,353
we have near Allens Park. The other cool thing about

1307
01:28:30,353 --> 01:28:33,833
them is they kind of reach their height of glory

1308
01:28:33,833 --> 01:28:38,033
in the sub. Alpine and treeline environment. And this is

1309
01:28:38,033 --> 01:28:42,126
kind of a representation of those two environments. So they

1310
01:28:42,126 --> 01:28:45,366
kind of reach their highest ecological value at these higher

1311
01:28:45,366 --> 01:28:50,229
elevation sites. This is actually looking in the distance, not

1312
01:28:50,229 --> 01:28:52,829
up at tree line, just a little below that at

1313
01:28:52,829 --> 01:28:56,169
one of our properties called. The forest property. Forest with

1314
01:28:56,169 --> 01:29:00,169
two r's and I'll talk a little bit more. About

1315
01:29:00,169 --> 01:29:02,529
that and why it's special. Maybe a little bit later.

1316
01:29:03,991 --> 01:29:06,351
So at this elevation, they play a role as a

1317
01:29:06,351 --> 01:29:12,485
foundation species and a keystone species, facilitating forest. Succession. As

1318
01:29:12,485 --> 01:29:15,045
well as kind of holding things together, increasing biodiversity and

1319
01:29:15,045 --> 01:29:18,685
stabilizing some of those ecosystem processes that happen in those

1320
01:29:18,685 --> 01:29:22,801
environments. And in those environments, these trees can live to

1321
01:29:22,801 --> 01:29:25,881
be really old. Limber pine can reach ages. Of 1000

1322
01:29:25,881 --> 01:29:31,830
years old. And Rocky Mount Bristol pine can live to

1323
01:29:31,830 --> 01:29:35,949
about 2000 years old. I have to say, this is

1324
01:29:35,949 --> 01:29:39,349
not on our property. This is in Liverpie Grove and

1325
01:29:39,349 --> 01:29:42,029
fair. Play, but it's just an example of kind of

1326
01:29:42,029 --> 01:29:45,749
those inhospitable environments and. What a really old tree looks

1327
01:29:45,749 --> 01:29:54,052
like. another big difference is there's seed On the far

1328
01:29:54,052 --> 01:29:57,692
left is the seed from limberpine, the middle is from

1329
01:29:57,692 --> 01:30:01,740
Bristol pine and on the far right. So. Is ponderosapine,

1330
01:30:01,740 --> 01:30:06,030
and so you'll notice. The size difference. Limber pine seed

1331
01:30:06,030 --> 01:30:09,910
is huge, and it lacks the wing that those other

1332
01:30:09,910 --> 01:30:14,593
two have. So the wing is for wind dispersals, so

1333
01:30:14,593 --> 01:30:18,193
that's how the seed is dispersed on. The landscape, but

1334
01:30:18,193 --> 01:30:20,713
the limber pine doesn't have that. Some of you may

1335
01:30:20,713 --> 01:30:25,153
know this. Is the primary disperser of lemorpine seed, the

1336
01:30:25,153 --> 01:30:30,274
clerk's nutcracker. So very unique foraging strategy. You can see

1337
01:30:30,274 --> 01:30:33,794
those cones. Well, so this Clark's nutcracker is sitting on

1338
01:30:33,794 --> 01:30:36,474
a limber pine tree. This is up at Brainerd Lake,

1339
01:30:36,474 --> 01:30:39,234
and it's in February. So those cones are open, but

1340
01:30:39,234 --> 01:30:42,261
you can see how they're oriented on the tree. So

1341
01:30:42,261 --> 01:30:45,781
these combs open at maturity, and that heavy seed pretty

1342
01:30:45,781 --> 01:30:49,421
quickly drops out of the cone. So the Clark's nutcracker

1343
01:30:49,421 --> 01:30:51,741
kind of takes advantage of this, like, two month period.

1344
01:30:51,741 --> 01:30:55,197
Where the seed is available to them. It's a really

1345
01:30:55,197 --> 01:30:57,517
smart bird. It knows it's a big, nutritious seed. It

1346
01:30:57,517 --> 01:31:00,841
knows. It's not around for a long time. It wants

1347
01:31:00,841 --> 01:31:02,441
it around for a long time, so. What it does

1348
01:31:02,441 --> 01:31:06,429
is during that season. When the seed is dropping, it

1349
01:31:06,429 --> 01:31:09,029
harves many seeds as it can, and it does this.

1350
01:31:09,029 --> 01:31:12,789
By going to cones and popping these seeds into a

1351
01:31:12,789 --> 01:31:15,829
sublingual pouch. It takes those seeds and then it distributes

1352
01:31:15,829 --> 01:31:19,189
it to various different caches throughout its home range, and

1353
01:31:19,189 --> 01:31:21,949
it can cash up to 100,000 seeds in a season.

1354
01:31:23,393 --> 01:31:27,633
Over hundreds, if not thousands, of cash sites. And then

1355
01:31:27,633 --> 01:31:29,433
what it does is it goes back. It goes back

1356
01:31:29,433 --> 01:31:35,580
and retrieves. Those seed caches throughout the year. Inevitably, some

1357
01:31:35,580 --> 01:31:38,900
of those go unretrived and those limber pine seeds then

1358
01:31:38,900 --> 01:31:40,940
have the chance to germinate. And so that's why you

1359
01:31:40,940 --> 01:31:45,780
get limber. Pine occurring in some of these odd places

1360
01:31:45,780 --> 01:31:47,740
where you don't think trees can grow, and it kind

1361
01:31:47,740 --> 01:31:51,467
of explains why. Its distribution is really patchy and scattered

1362
01:31:51,467 --> 01:31:59,287
across the landscape. So. Here's a map that's included in

1363
01:31:59,287 --> 01:32:04,676
the conservation plan. This is kind of. The potential location

1364
01:32:04,676 --> 01:32:10,380
in the county of Limberpine and. That is. The large,

1365
01:32:10,380 --> 01:32:12,980
light purple area, and it's pretty much the whole county

1366
01:32:12,980 --> 01:32:16,100
or the whole western. County. What's cool about Limerpine is

1367
01:32:16,100 --> 01:32:19,740
it can grow across a wide elevational gradient. There are

1368
01:32:19,740 --> 01:32:23,699
limberpine that exist in the poni butts. Out at about

1369
01:32:23,699 --> 01:32:28,731
5300ft in elevation. And it's also the tree that defines

1370
01:32:28,731 --> 01:32:32,811
tree lines. So wide elevational gradient and so the dark

1371
01:32:32,811 --> 01:32:37,469
purple here are known locations, and this is not. An

1372
01:32:37,469 --> 01:32:43,418
incomplete map. But I just want to show you that.

1373
01:32:43,418 --> 01:32:45,938
So this is kind of where limberpine exists. Known locations.

1374
01:32:47,489 --> 01:32:52,289
Difference between it and bristolcoat pine is this is the

1375
01:32:52,289 --> 01:32:56,805
potential range. For bristolcombine and then that small little dot.

1376
01:32:58,131 --> 01:33:01,427
Of dark purple is. The prism pine that occurs in

1377
01:33:01,427 --> 01:33:04,627
the county, and that is where the forest property is.

1378
01:33:06,150 --> 01:33:09,110
So this population sits on about 30 acres, so it's

1379
01:33:09,110 --> 01:33:12,350
very small, and it's. Partially on the forest property, and

1380
01:33:12,350 --> 01:33:15,310
it's partially on us forest service and what's cool about

1381
01:33:15,310 --> 01:33:20,208
this is. This population. Is considered the northernmost extent of

1382
01:33:20,208 --> 01:33:24,286
Rocky Mountain bristle cones range. It's so few in number

1383
01:33:24,286 --> 01:33:28,526
that we've actually stem mapped each individual tree that exists

1384
01:33:28,526 --> 01:33:32,184
on that forest property. All right, so that's kind of

1385
01:33:32,184 --> 01:33:34,624
the good news. That's the cool stuff. Threats. There are

1386
01:33:34,624 --> 01:33:41,410
many. One is mountain pine beetle. Native insect. I'm sure

1387
01:33:41,410 --> 01:33:44,050
you've all heard of it. We're actually in an uptick

1388
01:33:44,050 --> 01:33:46,810
of mountain pine beetle right now, so it's. Always in

1389
01:33:46,810 --> 01:33:52,407
our forest. But when the conditions are right, when it's

1390
01:33:52,407 --> 01:33:55,087
hot and dry and there's too. Many trees and they're

1391
01:33:55,087 --> 01:33:57,708
stressed. in small numbers Their population numbers can swell and

1392
01:33:57,708 --> 01:34:03,743
we can get into epidemic conditions. And limberpine in some

1393
01:34:03,743 --> 01:34:06,943
of the literature is considered a preferred host for mountain

1394
01:34:06,943 --> 01:34:10,783
pine beetle and in the last epidemic, we did have

1395
01:34:10,783 --> 01:34:14,566
significant tree mortality. In limber pine populations due to mountain

1396
01:34:14,566 --> 01:34:18,566
pine beetles. So mountain pine beetles, always a threat to

1397
01:34:18,566 --> 01:34:23,024
these two species, limpopine more than Bristol, combine. Dwarf missile

1398
01:34:23,024 --> 01:34:26,413
toe, also a native. Parasitic plant that we have in

1399
01:34:26,413 --> 01:34:29,933
our forest. This is a fascinating plant. It's a parasitic

1400
01:34:29,933 --> 01:34:33,558
plant. It's species specific. And usually it can hang out

1401
01:34:33,558 --> 01:34:36,848
on a tree. And just slowly kill the tree. The

1402
01:34:36,848 --> 01:34:39,288
tree can persist for decades with limberpin it's. A little

1403
01:34:39,288 --> 01:34:41,728
bit different. It's a pretty quick killer of limberpine. I

1404
01:34:41,728 --> 01:34:43,928
don't know why, but that's kind of something we noticed,

1405
01:34:43,928 --> 01:34:46,208
if, you know, grassy top. All the dead trees on

1406
01:34:46,208 --> 01:34:48,248
the top of grassy top. Those are limber and we

1407
01:34:48,248 --> 01:34:54,056
think that that. 's from dwarf mistletoe. Oh, there's the

1408
01:34:54,056 --> 01:34:59,560
picture of it. All right, so this is the big

1409
01:34:59,560 --> 01:35:03,160
one. White pine, blister rest. This is a disease. Caused

1410
01:35:03,160 --> 01:35:12,843
by. A non native fungus. Also fascinating. Just. An incredible

1411
01:35:12,843 --> 01:35:18,183
organism. It's an indiscriminate killer. Of all white pines, actually.

1412
01:35:19,643 --> 01:35:21,883
It can kill young trees, old trees, everything in between.

1413
01:35:23,220 --> 01:35:27,460
Complex lifecycle, five spore stages that are carried out on

1414
01:35:27,460 --> 01:35:30,660
the white pine and an alternate host. So the alternate

1415
01:35:30,660 --> 01:35:38,326
hosts. Are in the ribies genus Castileja genus, as well

1416
01:35:38,326 --> 01:35:47,744
as padicularis. genus so that's

1417
01:35:47,744 --> 01:35:52,624
paintbrushes and laoswarts that can also be the alternate hosts

1418
01:35:52,624 --> 01:35:55,224
so pines can't infect other pines it has to go

1419
01:35:55,224 --> 01:35:54,219
to this alternate host to carry out its lifecycle So

1420
01:35:54,219 --> 01:35:59,539
the picture there, those orange whitish blisters are erupting through

1421
01:35:59,539 --> 01:36:03,059
the bark and. Within those blisters are the spores that

1422
01:36:03,059 --> 01:36:06,419
would then go and in fact, the alternate host. So

1423
01:36:06,419 --> 01:36:11,199
when this occurs on a branch, The tissue underneath of

1424
01:36:11,199 --> 01:36:16,112
those blisters is killed. And this progresses down the branch,

1425
01:36:16,112 --> 01:36:17,872
and if it gets to the main stem of the

1426
01:36:17,872 --> 01:36:21,192
tree, it. Can girdle the tree and disrupt transport of

1427
01:36:21,192 --> 01:36:22,952
food and nutrients up and down the tree. And that's

1428
01:36:22,952 --> 01:36:26,074
when it kills the tree. So older trees kind of

1429
01:36:26,074 --> 01:36:28,754
hang on a little bit longer. Young trees, it can

1430
01:36:28,754 --> 01:36:32,590
kill them pretty. Quickly. There is some good news. Even

1431
01:36:32,590 --> 01:36:37,988
though. It's a disease caused by a non native fungus.

1432
01:36:37,988 --> 01:36:42,268
There is some natural resistance to the disease in our

1433
01:36:42,268 --> 01:36:44,988
populations here in Boulder county. And there's two types of

1434
01:36:44,988 --> 01:36:49,055
resistance there's. What's called. Complete resistance. And there's another kind

1435
01:36:49,055 --> 01:36:55,133
called partial resistance. Complete resistance. One gene is responsible for

1436
01:36:55,133 --> 01:36:59,053
it, and in partial resistance. It's multiple genes that give

1437
01:36:59,053 --> 01:37:02,093
it its resistance, and you might think complete resistance is

1438
01:37:02,093 --> 01:37:06,763
the better one. It's actually not. The fear is that

1439
01:37:06,763 --> 01:37:11,563
virulent strains of the fungus can overcome that one gene,

1440
01:37:11,563 --> 01:37:14,043
whereas the multiple gene, the partial resistance would be a

1441
01:37:14,043 --> 01:37:18,004
little more. Able to, well, not be overcome by that

1442
01:37:18,004 --> 01:37:23,538
virulent strain. Here's a picture of the rust on the

1443
01:37:23,538 --> 01:37:29,768
ribies. Took us, like, five years to find this picture.

1444
01:37:31,336 --> 01:37:34,544
To find it. In the wild and take the picture.

1445
01:37:36,615 --> 01:37:41,135
So wildfire and wildfire exclusion are also threats. Wildfire because

1446
01:37:41,135 --> 01:37:45,695
it's killing potentially. Resistant trees as well as cone bearing

1447
01:37:45,695 --> 01:37:51,015
trees that are helping naturally regenerate these populations. Wildfire exclusion

1448
01:37:51,015 --> 01:37:55,715
as well as a threat because. Like moss pines, limber

1449
01:37:55,715 --> 01:38:00,395
pine, bristlecombine are considered pioneer species that quickly colonize disturb

1450
01:38:00,395 --> 01:38:04,595
sites. Wildfires can create those disturbed sites, and with a

1451
01:38:04,595 --> 01:38:09,155
lack of wildfire in some of those ecosystems, they don't

1452
01:38:09,155 --> 01:38:13,399
really have sites to occupy. In a warming climate. Warming

1453
01:38:13,399 --> 01:38:21,670
climates can increase insect populations, disease populations, and. If a

1454
01:38:21,670 --> 01:38:23,750
warming climate happens over a long period of time, a

1455
01:38:23,750 --> 01:38:26,430
tree's typical response is to move up in elevation and

1456
01:38:26,430 --> 01:38:31,587
because. These trees occupy those high elevation sites, those won't

1457
01:38:31,587 --> 01:38:36,672
have anywhere to go. So. Those are the big threats.

1458
01:38:37,994 --> 01:38:39,834
So what can we do about it? So I have

1459
01:38:39,834 --> 01:38:43,874
to confess, these management focus areas are not our own

1460
01:38:43,874 --> 01:38:46,874
ideas. There was a document that came out in 2019.

1461
01:38:48,507 --> 01:38:55,615
From some prominent researchers was called. Limberpine proactive limber pine

1462
01:38:55,615 --> 01:38:59,255
conservation strategies for the Greater Rocky Mountain national park area

1463
01:38:59,255 --> 01:39:03,656
which Boulder county is definitely a part of. And this

1464
01:39:03,656 --> 01:39:06,745
document is amazing. It outlines everything that's in our conservation

1465
01:39:06,745 --> 01:39:11,872
plan, as well as. These management focus areas. So one.

1466
01:39:11,872 --> 01:39:13,832
Of course, if you want to conserve a species and

1467
01:39:13,832 --> 01:39:15,592
do something with the species, you have to know where

1468
01:39:15,592 --> 01:39:18,072
it is. So we needed to map the populations, and

1469
01:39:18,072 --> 01:39:21,552
this proved very difficult. Because of its scattered and patchy

1470
01:39:21,552 --> 01:39:25,843
distribution. So what we decided to do is kind of

1471
01:39:25,843 --> 01:39:29,163
focus on fringe properties. We know that our properties between

1472
01:39:29,163 --> 01:39:33,003
8000 and 10,000ft. Pretty much guaranteed to have lember pine

1473
01:39:33,003 --> 01:39:35,523
on them. So we just kind of highlighted those properties.

1474
01:39:37,606 --> 01:39:40,646
And then we, I think, searched about 40 properties that

1475
01:39:40,646 --> 01:39:43,806
were below 8000 and above 10,000. Just to see if

1476
01:39:43,806 --> 01:39:46,086
there actually were limberpine there and a few showed up,

1477
01:39:46,086 --> 01:39:50,149
so. What's in red here? 's the properties we own

1478
01:39:50,149 --> 01:39:56,201
that limberpine is some component of those forests. So now

1479
01:39:56,201 --> 01:39:57,761
that we know where it is, we want to set

1480
01:39:57,761 --> 01:40:01,161
up long term monitoring plots to know the current health

1481
01:40:01,161 --> 01:40:04,401
of what we have in our forests, as well as

1482
01:40:04,401 --> 01:40:11,418
track future changes. And it also will help us make

1483
01:40:11,418 --> 01:40:15,618
future management decisions, perhaps where to plant or seed limber

1484
01:40:15,618 --> 01:40:23,126
pine. So in 2023. We set up 30 long term

1485
01:40:23,126 --> 01:40:26,646
monitoring plots throughout the county. We tried to pick ones

1486
01:40:26,646 --> 01:40:28,406
in the north part of the county, south part of

1487
01:40:28,406 --> 01:40:32,748
the county, east, west. Different aspects, all kinds of things,

1488
01:40:32,748 --> 01:40:35,108
to just get the best representation of what's going on.

1489
01:40:35,108 --> 01:40:39,155
Out there. These plots are about a quarter acre in

1490
01:40:39,155 --> 01:40:43,355
size, and we look at limberpine regeneration and we count

1491
01:40:43,355 --> 01:40:46,995
those, we look at non limpopine species and collect some

1492
01:40:46,995 --> 01:40:49,955
basic data on that. But what we really care about

1493
01:40:49,955 --> 01:40:52,875
is the limber pines that are included in those plots.

1494
01:40:56,716 --> 01:40:59,316
So we tag each limber pine tree, assign it a

1495
01:40:59,316 --> 01:41:03,099
number, and then. Take kind of your basic forestry measurements

1496
01:41:03,099 --> 01:41:06,989
about those trees and what we're really focused on. Are

1497
01:41:06,989 --> 01:41:11,629
those big first three threats that I mentioned. So, mountain

1498
01:41:11,629 --> 01:41:15,713
pine beetle. Or if there's present or past activity. We're

1499
01:41:15,713 --> 01:41:19,233
noting that if there's dwarf missileto we're noting that as

1500
01:41:19,233 --> 01:41:23,242
well as. Rating the severity of those infections, and we're

1501
01:41:23,242 --> 01:41:25,562
doing the same with white pine blister. Us, noting its

1502
01:41:25,562 --> 01:41:30,547
presence and then rating its severity. So we visited all

1503
01:41:30,547 --> 01:41:33,747
those in 2023, all 30 of them. Going forward, we're

1504
01:41:33,747 --> 01:41:36,187
doing ten a year. So after three years, we'll have.

1505
01:41:39,095 --> 01:41:41,992
Another. Full set of data from all those 30. So

1506
01:41:41,992 --> 01:41:46,285
in that first year, 13% of our. Well, I should

1507
01:41:46,285 --> 01:41:51,085
say there's 1855 of these tagged limber pines. That were

1508
01:41:51,085 --> 01:41:55,938
basically tracking individually. In the first year, 13% of those

1509
01:41:55,938 --> 01:42:02,000
limber pines surveyed were dead. 70% of the plots had

1510
01:42:02,000 --> 01:42:07,040
white pine blister rest, 63% had dwarf missile tow 50%

1511
01:42:07,040 --> 01:42:10,080
had past mountain pine beetle activity. We haven't seen any

1512
01:42:10,080 --> 01:42:14,795
current mountain pine beetle. Activity in there. So in 2024

1513
01:42:14,795 --> 01:42:21,700
2025, we visited ten more so. We've visited 20 since

1514
01:42:21,700 --> 01:42:28,743
2023 and. We haven't really noticed any new mortality. But

1515
01:42:28,743 --> 01:42:31,063
the severity of dwarf missile to Anne white pine blister

1516
01:42:31,063 --> 01:42:35,789
us has definitely increased. So here's just a picture of

1517
01:42:35,789 --> 01:42:37,509
a tag on a lumber pine tree if you're ever

1518
01:42:37,509 --> 01:42:39,549
wandering around, you see a tag with some numbers on

1519
01:42:39,549 --> 01:42:43,863
it? We've been there. And this is some of our.

1520
01:42:45,845 --> 01:42:48,605
Staff assessing these trees during these plot visits. And so

1521
01:42:48,605 --> 01:42:52,685
we're getting binoculars out and literally looking at every needle

1522
01:42:52,685 --> 01:42:55,365
cluster, every branch, to see if it has dorge. Missile

1523
01:42:55,365 --> 01:42:58,568
tower, white pine. Blister. Rust. The rust is super hard

1524
01:42:58,568 --> 01:43:01,008
to see. There's a very short period of time when

1525
01:43:01,008 --> 01:43:04,448
it's actually visible to about a two month period from

1526
01:43:04,448 --> 01:43:09,939
mid may to mid July. So it kind of takes

1527
01:43:09,939 --> 01:43:11,899
a trained eye to see it, but once you see

1528
01:43:11,899 --> 01:43:18,390
it, boy, it jumps out. And is very visible. Another

1529
01:43:18,390 --> 01:43:21,350
strategy to help conserve the species to get more limber

1530
01:43:21,350 --> 01:43:26,233
pine on the landscape. How do you do that? You

1531
01:43:26,233 --> 01:43:28,593
need seed, I guess you could buy in limber pine

1532
01:43:28,593 --> 01:43:31,673
and. Plant them. But we want to plant locally genetic

1533
01:43:31,673 --> 01:43:35,023
material. So we had to learn a lot about cones

1534
01:43:35,023 --> 01:43:40,834
and sea development. Totally fascinating, love. This part of our

1535
01:43:40,834 --> 01:43:43,754
work. So this is a picture of limber pine cones.

1536
01:43:45,474 --> 01:43:49,018
Collecting these cones is all about timing. If you collect

1537
01:43:49,018 --> 01:43:51,298
them too early, the seed's not mature, and then those

1538
01:43:51,298 --> 01:43:54,978
seeds probably aren't. Viable and won't germinate if you collect

1539
01:43:54,978 --> 01:43:57,578
them too late. The seeds probably already dropped out of

1540
01:43:57,578 --> 01:44:00,826
the cone and you've missed your window. So how do

1541
01:44:00,826 --> 01:44:02,666
we know when the seed is mature? Well, you make

1542
01:44:02,666 --> 01:44:06,687
the tool that we see. Here. Zach made this tool.

1543
01:44:08,514 --> 01:44:13,423
It's our cone cutter. So. You literally pick cones off

1544
01:44:13,423 --> 01:44:16,881
the trees before you think they're mature. And you use

1545
01:44:16,881 --> 01:44:19,681
this handy tool. You slice them open, and this is

1546
01:44:19,681 --> 01:44:21,961
what a cone looks like. After you slice it open.

1547
01:44:21,961 --> 01:44:23,441
So this is what we call the cut face of

1548
01:44:23,441 --> 01:44:27,218
a cone, and. Here you're looking for. If seeds are

1549
01:44:27,218 --> 01:44:30,712
developing, if they're empty. We're looking at the number of

1550
01:44:30,712 --> 01:44:33,472
seeds developing, so I don't know, it's. Kind of hard

1551
01:44:33,472 --> 01:44:35,872
to tell, but some of those seeds that have kind

1552
01:44:35,872 --> 01:44:39,909
of a white and yellow interior are developing seed. And

1553
01:44:39,909 --> 01:44:41,349
if you have two or three, you're probably not going

1554
01:44:41,349 --> 01:44:43,709
to collect from that tree. Or at that time, if

1555
01:44:43,709 --> 01:44:46,349
you have seven to ten, then you're like, oh, this

1556
01:44:46,349 --> 01:44:49,909
might be a good time, or these cones are producing

1557
01:44:49,909 --> 01:44:52,789
seed, and so you might continue to monitor these. Populations.

1558
01:44:54,531 --> 01:44:56,211
If you want to get really fast, you cut them

1559
01:44:56,211 --> 01:44:59,491
open, you put them under a scope. This allows you

1560
01:44:59,491 --> 01:45:02,371
to better determine if they're mature or not, so that

1561
01:45:02,371 --> 01:45:04,611
in the very middle of that seed that's been cut

1562
01:45:04,611 --> 01:45:09,101
open is kind of a yellow. Thing. That is the

1563
01:45:09,101 --> 01:45:14,692
embryo. So we are looking to see. That embryo. Elongate

1564
01:45:14,692 --> 01:45:18,132
to 85% of the cavity that it sits in, and

1565
01:45:18,132 --> 01:45:19,892
when it hits that point. You know that if you

1566
01:45:19,892 --> 01:45:22,732
collect that seed and you dry it right and do

1567
01:45:22,732 --> 01:45:25,492
some other things right, that it will germinate and be

1568
01:45:25,492 --> 01:45:29,515
viable. If you know it's ready to go, you get

1569
01:45:29,515 --> 01:45:32,315
your pole pruners out and. You start collecting cones. So

1570
01:45:32,315 --> 01:45:37,079
this is a picture. Of Zach and Dan doing that.

1571
01:45:37,079 --> 01:45:40,849
They're up at Cardinal Mill site. That's one of our

1572
01:45:40,849 --> 01:45:43,489
properties that has a ton of limber pine, and this

1573
01:45:43,489 --> 01:45:45,329
was a good coneyear. Not every year is a good

1574
01:45:45,329 --> 01:45:49,649
con year, so scouting for cones is something. We're doing

1575
01:45:49,649 --> 01:45:53,411
quite a bit of. This was the fruits of the

1576
01:45:53,411 --> 01:45:56,691
labor that day. So this is about a bushel and

1577
01:45:56,691 --> 01:45:59,571
a half of limber pine cones that we got from

1578
01:45:59,571 --> 01:46:03,062
Cardinal mill site. You bring those cones back, we put

1579
01:46:03,062 --> 01:46:04,742
them in a burlap sack, and you got to. Let

1580
01:46:04,742 --> 01:46:06,862
them dry out a little bit because they do open

1581
01:46:06,862 --> 01:46:10,715
on their own. And it takes about a couple of

1582
01:46:10,715 --> 01:46:13,035
months. And so we turn them, rotate them so they

1583
01:46:13,035 --> 01:46:17,187
don't get mold on them. And then you start getting

1584
01:46:17,187 --> 01:46:18,587
the seed out of them. So this is kind of

1585
01:46:18,587 --> 01:46:21,427
a rough, clean. You can see there's seed, but there's

1586
01:46:21,427 --> 01:46:23,227
a lot of cone parts in there. As well. You

1587
01:46:23,227 --> 01:46:26,907
don't really want to put this stuff into long term

1588
01:46:26,907 --> 01:46:28,907
storage if it has all that other material in there

1589
01:46:28,907 --> 01:46:33,507
you kind of want pure seed. Limber pine seed collected

1590
01:46:33,507 --> 01:46:39,067
since 2023 140,000 limber pine seed that we have on

1591
01:46:39,067 --> 01:46:43,587
hand. And for Rocky Mountain bristlecombine, we have about 2000

1592
01:46:43,587 --> 01:46:53,145
seeds that we've. Collected from cones. Then once you clean

1593
01:46:53,145 --> 01:46:55,945
the cones really well, you let some moisture come off

1594
01:46:55,945 --> 01:46:59,185
of them, and then. We put them into storage. So

1595
01:46:59,185 --> 01:47:01,065
this is a freezer that we have, and this is

1596
01:47:01,065 --> 01:47:03,385
where we store our seed? Some of the seed will

1597
01:47:03,385 --> 01:47:09,096
just be archived for. Just having that genetic material in

1598
01:47:09,096 --> 01:47:12,216
storage to be able to use. And some of it

1599
01:47:12,216 --> 01:47:17,405
we do. Other things with. So another part of getting

1600
01:47:17,405 --> 01:47:21,285
more limber pine seed on the landscape is to direct

1601
01:47:21,285 --> 01:47:24,485
seed it. Literally putting seed in the ground and hoping

1602
01:47:24,485 --> 01:47:28,484
it germinates. And out planting. So instead of putting seed

1603
01:47:28,484 --> 01:47:31,324
in, you grow out the seed into seedlings and you

1604
01:47:31,324 --> 01:47:35,020
plant that? So we did a lot of direct seating.

1605
01:47:37,811 --> 01:47:43,131
Since 2003, we've direct seated 32,500 seeds on four different

1606
01:47:43,131 --> 01:47:46,011
properties over about eight acres. And what we're basically trying

1607
01:47:46,011 --> 01:47:48,851
to do here is mimic what the clerks does by

1608
01:47:48,851 --> 01:47:53,082
making a little hole, caching seven to ten seeds. Covering

1609
01:47:53,082 --> 01:47:56,910
them up and hoping that they germinate. These two did

1610
01:47:56,910 --> 01:48:02,668
germinate. So this direct seating has a horrible success rate,

1611
01:48:02,668 --> 01:48:10,911
okay? After five years. It's about 2% survival rate. A

1612
01:48:10,911 --> 01:48:13,071
lot of things can happen to this seed. A lot

1613
01:48:13,071 --> 01:48:15,991
of it gets pilfered by. Small mammals. In fact, on

1614
01:48:15,991 --> 01:48:20,434
some of our seating events, They follow us. And we

1615
01:48:20,434 --> 01:48:25,309
also put nurse object around. These seed caches to kind

1616
01:48:25,309 --> 01:48:27,029
of give them a better chance to survive. And I

1617
01:48:27,029 --> 01:48:29,989
think the critters are picking up on our nurse objects.

1618
01:48:32,585 --> 01:48:39,044
This is cool. This was at Reynolds Ranch. We direct

1619
01:48:39,044 --> 01:48:41,084
seated in the fall. And this was a picture taken.

1620
01:48:42,939 --> 01:48:46,459
This June 12. So this is like a little cash.

1621
01:48:46,459 --> 01:48:48,939
You can still see the seed coats on. Top. They're

1622
01:48:48,939 --> 01:48:57,302
about to bust out and hopefully. They'll survive. So probably

1623
01:48:57,302 --> 01:49:00,601
not going to do a lot of direct seating. Because

1624
01:49:00,601 --> 01:49:04,237
the tax rate is so small. We are, however, putting

1625
01:49:04,237 --> 01:49:07,517
a lot of energy into outplanting seedlings, so this is

1626
01:49:07,517 --> 01:49:10,237
a picture of some of our seed that was being

1627
01:49:10,237 --> 01:49:15,293
grown out. At new mexico state university. They've got an

1628
01:49:15,293 --> 01:49:18,133
amazing nursery and produced quality seedlings, and so we went

1629
01:49:18,133 --> 01:49:24,695
with them. For this crop. We grew out 1000. And

1630
01:49:24,695 --> 01:49:30,916
we planted. Last year. Just over 1000 seedlings at Caribou,

1631
01:49:30,916 --> 01:49:35,715
Sherwood and at Reynolds. We've got another 1000 seedlings actually

1632
01:49:35,715 --> 01:49:38,955
being grown at a private nursery called one canopy. That

1633
01:49:38,955 --> 01:49:42,406
we're going to be planting this fall. And then another

1634
01:49:42,406 --> 01:49:45,886
thousand ceilings ready to well, at a nursery that we're

1635
01:49:45,886 --> 01:49:52,931
going to plan. 2026. This is Dan. Dan has been

1636
01:49:52,931 --> 01:49:59,011
instrumental in learning about our seed, establishing relationships with nurseries

1637
01:49:59,011 --> 01:50:01,171
and trying to get us the best seedlings that we

1638
01:50:01,171 --> 01:50:05,445
can have. So this was on a volunteer project? At

1639
01:50:05,445 --> 01:50:09,348
Sherwood. And he's just so happy to be planning a

1640
01:50:09,348 --> 01:50:13,662
tree. And then. We use volunteers quite a bit. We

1641
01:50:13,662 --> 01:50:17,542
use volunteers for direct seating. Seed cleaning actually carries Simo.

1642
01:50:17,542 --> 01:50:20,770
One of our planet ecologists was kind enough to. Lend

1643
01:50:20,770 --> 01:50:23,690
us her robust team of seed cleaners, and they cleaned

1644
01:50:23,690 --> 01:50:25,930
a bunch of that seed for us. And here's a

1645
01:50:25,930 --> 01:50:30,751
group we had out. Helping us plant. Seedlings at Sherwood.

1646
01:50:32,724 --> 01:50:34,524
So that's kind of what we've been up to since

1647
01:50:34,524 --> 01:50:40,371
2020. And. Where we're going forward, we're going to continue

1648
01:50:40,371 --> 01:50:44,198
the long term monitoring plots of course. We're going to

1649
01:50:44,198 --> 01:50:49,765
continue Cobb collecting. We'll continue out planting. Maybe a little

1650
01:50:49,765 --> 01:50:53,248
direct seating. We're going to fine tune how we collect

1651
01:50:53,248 --> 01:50:57,608
these cones. We overcollected 140,000. Seeds. I don't know if

1652
01:50:57,608 --> 01:50:59,688
that sounds like high number to you, but that's a

1653
01:50:59,688 --> 01:51:02,568
lot of seed, so we're going to be more selective

1654
01:51:02,568 --> 01:51:07,283
with what we. Collect. We're going to be collecting from

1655
01:51:07,283 --> 01:51:12,271
individual trees. And being able to trace that seed to

1656
01:51:12,271 --> 01:51:17,330
that individual tree, and hopefully. There's rust resistant trials that

1657
01:51:17,330 --> 01:51:19,330
come up every now and again, usually through the federal

1658
01:51:19,330 --> 01:51:24,690
government. And if you have the seed ready and. You've

1659
01:51:24,690 --> 01:51:26,850
mapped it, you can submit that seed to these rust

1660
01:51:26,850 --> 01:51:28,810
resistant trials. And so we want to try to get

1661
01:51:28,810 --> 01:51:30,490
in on that, and the only way to do that

1662
01:51:30,490 --> 01:51:34,510
is to start. Collecting from individual trees. We want to

1663
01:51:34,510 --> 01:51:42,453
move this around. So. We're discussing. Seed transfer and how

1664
01:51:42,453 --> 01:51:45,797
we want to do that. One big thing we're actually

1665
01:51:45,797 --> 01:51:51,662
going to try. That may be controversial. But is to

1666
01:51:51,662 --> 01:51:54,422
try to plant limberpine in the Highle Valley ranch or

1667
01:51:54,422 --> 01:51:58,742
in the Cowwood fire footprint at Highlevel Valley Ranch. Like

1668
01:51:58,742 --> 01:52:01,582
I said, it's a species. That can live from 5000ft

1669
01:52:01,582 --> 01:52:08,034
to 12,000ft. So why not try? To not reforest hill,

1670
01:52:08,034 --> 01:52:11,222
but. Maybe a little trial of 100 ceilings or so.

1671
01:52:12,826 --> 01:52:18,450
At highle, where ponderous opine really isn't self regenerating. So

1672
01:52:18,450 --> 01:52:21,050
that's something we're going to try this fall. Follow it,

1673
01:52:21,050 --> 01:52:24,746
of course, and. See how that goes. And the other

1674
01:52:24,746 --> 01:52:26,146
thing we're going to do as well as we're going

1675
01:52:26,146 --> 01:52:29,546
to start climbing trees to collect cones. The best cones

1676
01:52:29,546 --> 01:52:31,306
are usually in the top third of the tree. With

1677
01:52:31,306 --> 01:52:35,146
those pull pruners. It's hard to get up 30, 40ft

1678
01:52:35,146 --> 01:52:38,506
with those. So Zach and Dan are climbers and are

1679
01:52:38,506 --> 01:52:42,477
going to be climbing trees. In a couple of weeks

1680
01:52:42,477 --> 01:52:46,180
here to get cones. That's kind of all I got.

1681
01:52:49,870 --> 01:52:55,208
All right. Thank you. Thank you, Shane. Great information. Maybe

1682
01:52:55,208 --> 01:52:57,688
you need to train some of those Clark's nutcrackers to

1683
01:52:57,688 --> 01:53:00,528
get those. Top. Yeah, we want to. That's probably the

1684
01:53:00,528 --> 01:53:03,128
ones they're getting. We want to. Turn our shop into

1685
01:53:03,128 --> 01:53:08,208
a breeding ground for Clark's. There you go. Two things

1686
01:53:08,208 --> 01:53:12,947
at once. All right. Thanks again. Looks like Vicky's already.

1687
01:53:12,947 --> 01:53:15,987
She's jamming at the bit. Fabulous. Thank you so. Much.

1688
01:53:15,987 --> 01:53:19,667
This is so interesting to me, being more ecological minded,

1689
01:53:19,667 --> 01:53:21,467
but I have a couple of questions. Well, one. Why

1690
01:53:21,467 --> 01:53:23,707
don't you just follow the Clark's Nutcrackers and. See where

1691
01:53:23,707 --> 01:53:26,947
they're cashing and go collect from their caches like the

1692
01:53:26,947 --> 01:53:30,147
little rodents. Do. That's a little bit tongue in cheek,

1693
01:53:30,147 --> 01:53:35,297
but maybe not. Ridiculous. So my question is about your

1694
01:53:35,297 --> 01:53:39,817
seed collecting and growing and then replanting. Are you checking?

1695
01:53:39,817 --> 01:53:42,937
The genetics of the seeds to determine if they are

1696
01:53:42,937 --> 01:53:48,372
partially or completely rushed, resistant. And the second part of

1697
01:53:48,372 --> 01:53:52,543
that question is. What is your rate of success with

1698
01:53:52,543 --> 01:53:55,343
planting seedlings over a couple of years? Do you have

1699
01:53:55,343 --> 01:54:00,681
that information yet? Yes. So definitely, we want to get

1700
01:54:00,681 --> 01:54:05,683
in on these rest resistant trials. We do know that.

1701
01:54:05,683 --> 01:54:07,963
And I don't know who found this out, but the

1702
01:54:07,963 --> 01:54:13,747
complete resistance. That one gene that's responsible for it. In

1703
01:54:13,747 --> 01:54:17,107
these local Boulder county populations, it's as high as 20%.

1704
01:54:17,107 --> 01:54:19,147
So two out of ten trees could have this complete

1705
01:54:19,147 --> 01:54:24,183
resistance. Not much is known about the partial resistance, the

1706
01:54:24,183 --> 01:54:27,269
one we really want to try to find. So, yes,

1707
01:54:27,269 --> 01:54:29,429
we are very much pursuing, trying to find that out.

1708
01:54:31,021 --> 01:54:37,987
So. It's only been one year since we've outplanted, and

1709
01:54:37,987 --> 01:54:40,827
we have. A volunteer who actually lives up near Sherwood,

1710
01:54:40,827 --> 01:54:43,147
caribou, and is going out in the spring. And the

1711
01:54:43,147 --> 01:54:46,147
fall and looking at every single tree. Is it desert?

1712
01:54:46,147 --> 01:54:49,553
Is it alive? Or does it. Have other issues. That

1713
01:54:49,553 --> 01:54:53,633
came back. Our most recent data was 85% survival and

1714
01:54:53,633 --> 01:54:57,170
just a little bit higher at Reynolds, so. That's really

1715
01:54:57,170 --> 01:55:00,010
good. Better than 2%. Way better than 2%. You can

1716
01:55:00,010 --> 01:55:01,170
see why. We're going to spend more of our time

1717
01:55:01,170 --> 01:55:07,084
out planting. I should also say that. The real test

1718
01:55:07,084 --> 01:55:09,764
is after three, four, five years to see what those

1719
01:55:09,764 --> 01:55:13,270
percentages are. So I can't wait to see. If they'll

1720
01:55:13,270 --> 01:55:17,430
stay up in the think would still be pretty darn

1721
01:55:17,430 --> 01:55:25,641
good. Yeah. Excellent. Thank you. Trace, as you mentioned, climbing

1722
01:55:25,641 --> 01:55:28,721
the trees. Are they going to be climbing with protection?

1723
01:55:31,517 --> 01:55:34,237
You mean ropes and helmets and all that? Yeah, absolutely.

1724
01:55:36,503 --> 01:55:39,670
Then do they get credit for the first descent? I'll

1725
01:55:39,670 --> 01:55:49,443
tell them you said that, because. Awards coming. All

1726
01:55:49,443 --> 01:55:54,803
right. Anything else? Oh, Christine. Christine Johnson. Posack. So, I

1727
01:55:54,803 --> 01:56:00,709
noticed that the presentation was about. Bristol cone. And penis

1728
01:56:00,709 --> 01:56:05,749
flexalus and that you focused almost entirely on the limber

1729
01:56:05,749 --> 01:56:12,217
pine. Is there any plan? To do conservation. On Bristol

1730
01:56:12,217 --> 01:56:16,728
cone pine. So we do know that we don't have

1731
01:56:16,728 --> 01:56:20,368
white pine blister rust currently in that population, which is

1732
01:56:20,368 --> 01:56:27,397
great. We have collected seed. We're a little hesitant with

1733
01:56:27,397 --> 01:56:31,237
what to do with that seed. Because it's the northernmost

1734
01:56:31,237 --> 01:56:35,138
extent. Do you try to bump it further north? Do

1735
01:56:35,138 --> 01:56:38,272
you try to bump it down in elevation? Right now

1736
01:56:38,272 --> 01:56:44,075
we're just archiving it so that. We have some. So.

1737
01:56:44,075 --> 01:56:49,706
Yeah, it's just a unique little population that. We definitely

1738
01:56:49,706 --> 01:56:53,078
want to monitor. But other than that, I'm not quite

1739
01:56:53,078 --> 01:56:56,417
sure what we'll do. All right.

1740
01:57:02,381 --> 01:57:06,388
Vicky. Vicky Posak again. So is there any thought. That

1741
01:57:06,388 --> 01:57:09,428
with climate change, the bristlecomb pine should move further north.

1742
01:57:11,276 --> 01:57:13,156
Yeah, you would fully expect that. And every time we're

1743
01:57:13,156 --> 01:57:15,996
up there, we're like, there's got to be more bristlecomb

1744
01:57:15,996 --> 01:57:17,996
pine up here. Why is it just staying? Right in

1745
01:57:17,996 --> 01:57:24,915
this location. You'll find it in Estpark. But that was

1746
01:57:24,915 --> 01:57:28,235
planted there by somebody not naturally occurring, but, yeah, I

1747
01:57:28,235 --> 01:57:33,698
would fully expect that. In many decades or centuries, perhaps,

1748
01:57:33,698 --> 01:57:36,178
but, yeah, that's kind of what you would expect to

1749
01:57:36,178 --> 01:57:40,778
happen with warming climate. You're not inclined to push that

1750
01:57:40,778 --> 01:57:44,298
forward by moving some of them. North yourself? I don't

1751
01:57:44,298 --> 01:57:50,217
know. Personally, I don't know. How I feel about that.

1752
01:57:50,217 --> 01:57:52,497
Now, we did ask one of the authors of that

1753
01:57:52,497 --> 01:57:59,773
2019. Conservation strategy. Said, try it. And she also gave

1754
01:57:59,773 --> 01:58:01,853
the blessing for what we're going to do with limber

1755
01:58:01,853 --> 01:58:05,573
pine. By bringing them down to highle, you usually don't

1756
01:58:05,573 --> 01:58:08,053
bring seed down. You can take it up a little

1757
01:58:08,053 --> 01:58:11,133
bit, but usually it'll bring it down. But she's like,

1758
01:58:11,133 --> 01:58:15,299
why not? So we might throw Bristol cone pine into

1759
01:58:15,299 --> 01:58:19,988
the mix one of these days. But more conversations need

1760
01:58:19,988 --> 01:58:23,818
to be had for sure. So following up on that.

1761
01:58:25,658 --> 01:58:29,212
Is before you move Bristol cone north. Wouldn't it be

1762
01:58:29,212 --> 01:58:32,572
good to have a conversation with Rocky Mountain National park

1763
01:58:32,572 --> 01:58:35,412
and whether I know, when it comes to mammals, they

1764
01:58:35,412 --> 01:58:38,732
have some concerns about what they consider native and what

1765
01:58:38,732 --> 01:58:42,152
they consider not native to the park. So just a

1766
01:58:42,152 --> 01:58:45,984
thought on that. Yeah, I've got big hesitation with moving

1767
01:58:45,984 --> 01:58:49,184
the bristle column are the bristle cones. Kind of the

1768
01:58:49,184 --> 01:58:52,291
front range of Colorado. Are there some on the west

1769
01:58:52,291 --> 01:58:56,195
slope? I do not think they occur on the west

1770
01:58:56,195 --> 01:58:58,835
slope. Okay, so this would be the front. This would

1771
01:58:58,835 --> 01:59:04,396
be the front line in Colorado and everywhere, okay? Thanks.

1772
01:59:06,747 --> 01:59:11,750
All right. So thank you for that. We really appreciate

1773
01:59:11,750 --> 01:59:14,377
it. That was a good break. Yeah, it was great.

1774
01:59:15,975 --> 01:59:17,935
So we don't have a whole lot of time left,

1775
01:59:17,935 --> 01:59:19,695
but I want to check in. With everybody. Do we

1776
01:59:19,695 --> 01:59:22,968
want to take a quick five minute break? Or should

1777
01:59:22,968 --> 01:59:26,128
we just plow forward? All right, let's plow forward. Sounds

1778
01:59:26,128 --> 01:59:31,918
good. Okay, next agenda item is public comment for items

1779
01:59:31,918 --> 01:59:34,038
not on the agenda, which we've already had a couple

1780
01:59:34,038 --> 01:59:38,029
of do we have. Anybody? Anybody here that wants to

1781
01:59:38,029 --> 01:59:42,179
say anything? I don't see anybody inside. How about. Do

1782
01:59:42,179 --> 01:59:45,240
we have anybody online? Give us a second. For those

1783
01:59:45,240 --> 01:59:48,440
on zoom, call if you'd like to make comments, please.

1784
01:59:48,440 --> 01:59:50,280
Use the Raise hand feature so we can call on

1785
01:59:50,280 --> 01:59:56,227
you. I don't see any raised hands. All right. Thank

1786
01:59:56,227 --> 02:00:01,556
you. Let's move on to postac members comment period for

1787
02:00:01,556 --> 02:00:05,872
items not in the agenda. Do we have anybody? Yes,

1788
02:00:05,872 --> 02:00:13,711
Christine. Christine Johnson Posak. This comment is spurred by the

1789
02:00:13,711 --> 02:00:18,298
letter that we received from Mark Gutridge. And I want

1790
02:00:18,298 --> 02:00:24,989
to express that. I also am disappointed. I feel like.

1791
02:00:26,786 --> 02:00:33,475
In the process of developing a weed management. Policy.

1792
02:00:37,420 --> 02:00:42,160
That. I had the tendency to. Try to give them

1793
02:00:42,160 --> 02:00:48,113
the benefit of the doubt. And if you recall, I

1794
02:00:48,113 --> 02:00:52,806
believe that I suggested a graduated. Decrease in the herbicide

1795
02:00:52,806 --> 02:00:57,179
use. When we were talking about the weed management plan

1796
02:00:57,179 --> 02:01:03,193
last year, scaling down. Toward that 50% reduction. And part

1797
02:01:03,193 --> 02:01:09,548
of my concern was that. As Mark expressed in his

1798
02:01:09,548 --> 02:01:15,538
letter. I was concerned that. The county was going to,

1799
02:01:15,538 --> 02:01:18,698
during this period of decreasing that they were going to

1800
02:01:18,698 --> 02:01:22,698
try to clear their slate of what they wanted to

1801
02:01:22,698 --> 02:01:28,025
spray. And that there would be increased spraying after the

1802
02:01:28,025 --> 02:01:32,371
adoption of the plan. In a ramp up toward that

1803
02:01:32,371 --> 02:01:40,081
50% reduction, and I feel that. It goes against the

1804
02:01:40,081 --> 02:01:49,786
public goodwill. That I feel that. The county garnered. When

1805
02:01:49,786 --> 02:01:54,086
they worked on that plan. So I'm disappointed, and I

1806
02:01:54,086 --> 02:02:00,257
feel like it violates the spirit. Of. The plan. In

1807
02:02:00,257 --> 02:02:03,057
general. I defer to the county, I defer to the

1808
02:02:03,057 --> 02:02:06,657
staff, I defer to the weed experts and the ecologists.

1809
02:02:06,657 --> 02:02:15,993
I respect their expertise. I don't really ever talk about

1810
02:02:15,993 --> 02:02:21,407
it. I also have a background in ecology. And I've

1811
02:02:21,407 --> 02:02:27,906
been concerned about lack of nuance in the. Counties. Weed

1812
02:02:27,906 --> 02:02:36,268
management. I watch. Speaking of some of.

1813
02:02:38,070 --> 02:02:42,430
The weed management that I've seen elsewhere outside of the

1814
02:02:42,430 --> 02:02:45,470
county, and some of the discussion that I've gotten to

1815
02:02:45,470 --> 02:02:50,639
engage in. One area is that I'm a native plant

1816
02:02:50,639 --> 02:02:57,826
master. I am getting trained. To be an instructor in

1817
02:02:57,826 --> 02:03:00,986
that program because the program in Boulder county has kind

1818
02:03:00,986 --> 02:03:05,586
of withered. Away, and I have been in Rapaho county

1819
02:03:05,586 --> 02:03:10,449
assisting with a native grass course. And one thing that's

1820
02:03:10,449 --> 02:03:14,575
really interesting about. The grass course within the native Plant

1821
02:03:14,575 --> 02:03:19,175
Master program is that as opposed to folks who appreciate.

1822
02:03:20,904 --> 02:03:27,376
Wildflowers. It's mostly land managers and. There's really, really good

1823
02:03:27,376 --> 02:03:32,856
discussion within that program about pesticides, particularly with grasses and

1824
02:03:32,856 --> 02:03:38,030
reguvra. In particular has come up. I've also had some

1825
02:03:38,030 --> 02:03:43,581
discussion with an ecologist at the high planes environmental. Hpec.

1826
02:03:43,581 --> 02:03:52,087
I can't remember what the c stands for. And. A

1827
02:03:52,087 --> 02:03:55,687
lot of the conversation has been about concentration of Rejuvena.

1828
02:03:57,647 --> 02:04:03,623
And being careful about. The concentration that's applied in order

1829
02:04:03,623 --> 02:04:08,712
to be able to recede and grow things. And again,

1830
02:04:08,712 --> 02:04:15,984
thoughtful, nuanced conversation about. Restoration. I'm not sure that I

1831
02:04:15,984 --> 02:04:21,614
feel like. There is nuance in what is going on.

1832
02:04:23,304 --> 02:04:28,012
In boulder county. I also feel like we haven't gotten

1833
02:04:28,012 --> 02:04:33,733
adequate updates regarding biocontrol. I want to mention that I'm

1834
02:04:33,733 --> 02:04:40,481
working. With volunteers on a Bumblebee Atlas project for. Again.

1835
02:04:43,998 --> 02:04:44,958
I want to say that I think that there is

1836
02:04:44,958 --> 02:04:48,318
a lot of nuance in restoration in this kind of

1837
02:04:48,318 --> 02:04:54,533
work. And there's nuance with insects and noxious weeds and

1838
02:04:54,533 --> 02:05:00,368
native plants. Especially. As concerns native bees. Most of the

1839
02:05:00,368 --> 02:05:04,448
native bees in Colorado are ground nesting. We are aware

1840
02:05:04,448 --> 02:05:09,728
that rejuvenate does open up ground nesting sites when it's

1841
02:05:09,728 --> 02:05:16,440
applied. To treat grass. But what else are we doing

1842
02:05:16,440 --> 02:05:21,440
in Boulder county to manage habitat and forage for native

1843
02:05:21,440 --> 02:05:26,644
bees? It's not just about nesting. And I feel like.

1844
02:05:28,375 --> 02:05:30,895
The access to the ground is a little bit of

1845
02:05:30,895 --> 02:05:37,479
a beard for. Spraying when access to ground nesting is

1846
02:05:37,479 --> 02:05:40,319
the only thing that we're talking about with the insects.

1847
02:05:42,937 --> 02:05:49,425
I'm aware that native. Bees. Often. Use. Some of the

1848
02:05:49,425 --> 02:05:56,702
noxious weeds as forage. It's really nuanced. It's complicated. Lupidopter

1849
02:05:56,702 --> 02:06:00,259
are a little bit different. And it's been interesting with

1850
02:06:00,259 --> 02:06:04,099
the Bumblebee monitoring that we've been doing. We're seeing some

1851
02:06:04,099 --> 02:06:08,059
use of some of the noxious weeds, and I hate

1852
02:06:08,059 --> 02:06:11,202
telling you. That? Because. I don't particularly like the weeds.

1853
02:06:17,887 --> 02:06:21,327
It's also in some of the research that I've seen

1854
02:06:21,327 --> 02:06:24,607
from entomologists. Coming out. That's not the be all and

1855
02:06:24,607 --> 02:06:28,665
end all. It doesn't mean that. I am pro weed.

1856
02:06:29,403 --> 02:06:33,477
I'm pro. Keeping the weeds. It's just that with biocontrol.

1857
02:06:35,216 --> 02:06:38,816
There's a little bit more of a coexisting, and insects

1858
02:06:38,816 --> 02:06:41,936
are able to use some of those things as they're

1859
02:06:41,936 --> 02:06:51,273
fading away. The pesticide approval.

1860
02:06:53,223 --> 02:06:58,848
Process. Doesn't really look at health and reproduction, and it

1861
02:06:58,848 --> 02:07:02,208
isn't using the diversity of the insects that we have

1862
02:07:02,208 --> 02:07:06,080
here. So I just like to go on the record.

1863
02:07:06,080 --> 02:07:13,443
Thanks. Christine. I noted the letter, too, that Mark Gutridge

1864
02:07:13,443 --> 02:07:16,723
did, and I think it's appropriate, maybe. To get a

1865
02:07:16,723 --> 02:07:22,073
response from staff. Or for. One question I have is,

1866
02:07:22,073 --> 02:07:23,953
when do we get our annual reports? Is there going

1867
02:07:23,953 --> 02:07:26,793
to be a presentation to post that because there seems

1868
02:07:26,793 --> 02:07:29,433
to be the interest or isn't just on the website.

1869
02:07:31,367 --> 02:07:34,163
So that's one question I have. And what you might

1870
02:07:34,163 --> 02:07:36,243
do is you might address. I went back after reading

1871
02:07:36,243 --> 02:07:39,963
this letter this afternoon. And looked at the plan that

1872
02:07:39,963 --> 02:07:45,034
we approved, and you might go over goal one. And

1873
02:07:45,034 --> 02:07:48,594
remind us what is the actual herbicide reduction that we

1874
02:07:48,594 --> 02:07:53,394
approved in the plan. Just to clarify it and relate

1875
02:07:53,394 --> 02:07:56,354
it to maybe goal two and how that might not

1876
02:07:56,354 --> 02:07:59,514
be linear. So if you could do that, Stefan, and

1877
02:07:59,514 --> 02:08:03,276
anything else you think is pertinent, it'd. Be great. All

1878
02:08:03,276 --> 02:08:08,651
right. Thank you, Stefan Reynold. Deputy director of Land stewardship.

1879
02:08:10,273 --> 02:08:12,073
Give me a second here. I get this mic, right?

1880
02:08:13,819 --> 02:08:18,250
So, got a few different answers, but. We obviously received

1881
02:08:18,250 --> 02:08:21,730
the letter as well and kind of reviewed and looked

1882
02:08:21,730 --> 02:08:23,810
at the letter, and so I'm going to kind of

1883
02:08:23,810 --> 02:08:29,493
give an overall. Response. So, first off, the integrated weed

1884
02:08:29,493 --> 02:08:34,601
management plan wasn't signed until November of 2024. So I

1885
02:08:34,601 --> 02:08:36,761
just want to remind her that we didn't get started

1886
02:08:36,761 --> 02:08:40,618
on the process until. Then. And so we haven't even

1887
02:08:40,618 --> 02:08:46,746
had a full year under our belt. And so. In

1888
02:08:46,746 --> 02:08:49,843
terms of. The reporting. Our goal is actually to come

1889
02:08:49,843 --> 02:08:56,170
back in the third quarter here. The third quarter. And

1890
02:08:56,170 --> 02:08:58,530
give a presentation to post act, but also then to

1891
02:08:58,530 --> 02:09:02,097
the commissioners. We actually were asked by Jana to do

1892
02:09:02,097 --> 02:09:05,992
so, and so that's kind of our timing. In terms

1893
02:09:05,992 --> 02:09:13,139
of. Mark made some comments about. An increase in herbicide

1894
02:09:13,139 --> 02:09:18,044
usage. And really what you're seeing. Is the reporting has

1895
02:09:18,044 --> 02:09:21,604
changed. So we used to report whenever we were doing

1896
02:09:21,604 --> 02:09:25,204
treatments on open, open. Space because we wanted to make

1897
02:09:25,204 --> 02:09:29,404
sure the public, when they're visiting our properties, knew that.

1898
02:09:29,404 --> 02:09:32,044
There was herbicide that had been sprayed. And so as

1899
02:09:32,044 --> 02:09:36,047
a part of kind of being more transparent. We actually

1900
02:09:36,047 --> 02:09:40,386
increased and are reporting on all of. Our spraying of

1901
02:09:40,386 --> 02:09:43,906
herbicide, and so that's why those numbers went up. Seems

1902
02:09:43,906 --> 02:09:49,326
like this. Mic is cracking. Sorry. So we also understand

1903
02:09:49,326 --> 02:09:55,720
mark made some comments about water contamination and. We follow

1904
02:09:55,720 --> 02:09:58,400
all the labels and all the laws, and we are

1905
02:09:58,400 --> 02:10:02,400
trying to minimize our use around water. But when we

1906
02:10:02,400 --> 02:10:06,691
have list a species to deal with. Again, we talked

1907
02:10:06,691 --> 02:10:08,611
about this in the plan, and that was what was

1908
02:10:08,611 --> 02:10:12,051
approved by PosAc. And also by the commissioners that for

1909
02:10:12,051 --> 02:10:17,118
list a species. That is one of our viable usages.

1910
02:10:18,510 --> 02:10:22,390
We also have a. We are working on finalizing our

1911
02:10:22,390 --> 02:10:27,153
parameters on testing. Water. So looking at some areas where

1912
02:10:27,153 --> 02:10:31,393
we are spraying herbicides and testing the water in that

1913
02:10:31,393 --> 02:10:35,406
area. And kind of using transec methods to look how

1914
02:10:35,406 --> 02:10:38,246
far outside of where we sprayed and see if there's

1915
02:10:38,246 --> 02:10:43,587
movement of the herbicides. So up to this point, this

1916
02:10:43,587 --> 02:10:49,036
year, We actually have sprayed herbicide on less than 131

1917
02:10:49,036 --> 02:10:53,008
acres. Out of our 30,000 acres that we're focused on.

1918
02:10:54,756 --> 02:10:57,596
So going back to Christine, your questions, one of the

1919
02:10:57,596 --> 02:11:00,956
things we're looking at, right. And that we got approved

1920
02:11:00,956 --> 02:11:04,596
from Postac and the commissioners is we have a roughly

1921
02:11:04,596 --> 02:11:09,156
3000 acres of cheek areas that have high infestations of

1922
02:11:09,156 --> 02:11:12,396
chee grass. And so you're right. We are going to

1923
02:11:12,396 --> 02:11:16,179
have to increase our spraying. To do that, but as

1924
02:11:16,179 --> 02:11:20,956
we noted during the whole process, When we spray cheekgrass,

1925
02:11:20,956 --> 02:11:24,481
it usually is a one time spray. And so the

1926
02:11:24,481 --> 02:11:28,241
goal is to get that 3000 acres under control over

1927
02:11:28,241 --> 02:11:31,241
this time frame and reduce our usage when we hit

1928
02:11:31,241 --> 02:11:35,787
our 2030 mark. And so. That is the goal. And

1929
02:11:35,787 --> 02:11:38,587
once we get that to that level, then we can

1930
02:11:38,587 --> 02:11:44,654
do spot treatments. To maintain. Our control of Cheegrass. So

1931
02:11:44,654 --> 02:11:46,974
that's what you all approved in the plan. And that

1932
02:11:46,974 --> 02:11:50,601
is what we are implementing at this point. One other

1933
02:11:50,601 --> 02:11:52,921
just piece to note, and this kind of goes to

1934
02:11:52,921 --> 02:11:56,798
the restoration side of things. So we told you that

1935
02:11:56,798 --> 02:11:59,431
we had been collecting a lot of data. And we

1936
02:11:59,431 --> 02:12:04,594
were collecting data on. The increase in native species post

1937
02:12:04,594 --> 02:12:10,891
treatment with Rajivra. And we are also looking at the

1938
02:12:10,891 --> 02:12:13,211
mule deer winner range and the brows on the plants.

1939
02:12:14,876 --> 02:12:18,916
Well, that data has been utilized by researchers, and both

1940
02:12:18,916 --> 02:12:21,902
of those are going to actually be. In articles in

1941
02:12:21,902 --> 02:12:25,980
restoration ecology coming up soon. So again, we're doing everything

1942
02:12:25,980 --> 02:12:29,646
that was asked in the plan. It's going to take

1943
02:12:29,646 --> 02:12:33,984
time for us to see some of the results. So

1944
02:12:33,984 --> 02:12:37,704
I hope that answers most of the questions. Thanks, Stefan.

1945
02:12:37,704 --> 02:12:41,930
Thank you. Just one question here. Am I right? When

1946
02:12:41,930 --> 02:12:44,650
I looked at goal one, it says the goal is

1947
02:12:44,650 --> 02:12:50,367
to reduce herbicide. Applications by 50% by 2030. Not to

1948
02:12:50,367 --> 02:12:53,367
eliminate it, but reduce it by 50%. Yeah. And that's

1949
02:12:53,367 --> 02:13:00,169
correct. And it's tied to our acreage. Use. Yeah. And

1950
02:13:00,169 --> 02:13:01,929
then you said it might not be linear, so it

1951
02:13:01,929 --> 02:13:06,569
might not be a linear line between. Now. And 2030.

1952
02:13:06,569 --> 02:13:09,609
Yeah, that's correct. And again, that's all tied to the

1953
02:13:09,609 --> 02:13:15,399
controlling of gGrass. Okay, great. Yeah, thank you for that.

1954
02:13:15,399 --> 02:13:20,343
Any more questions or comments? Why Stefan's up here. All

1955
02:13:20,343 --> 02:13:23,103
right, great. Thank you. So we'll see something in October,

1956
02:13:23,103 --> 02:13:26,583
November, December, January 4. Yes. All right. Thank you. Great.

1957
02:13:28,092 --> 02:13:35,248
Anymore. No. All right. So, looks like Teresa you're up

1958
02:13:35,248 --> 02:13:38,589
with. The director's update.

1959
02:13:45,388 --> 02:13:48,428
Good evening. Therese Gloaki, director of parks and open space.

1960
02:13:53,792 --> 02:13:56,152
I don't have too many. I have a few things

1961
02:13:56,152 --> 02:13:58,192
for you, though. But I first. Did want to start

1962
02:13:58,192 --> 02:14:00,712
with a couple of things. One, thank you to Shane

1963
02:14:00,712 --> 02:14:05,580
for that amazing presentation. And I think that Shane is

1964
02:14:05,580 --> 02:14:08,020
a good example of the dedication of the staff that

1965
02:14:08,020 --> 02:14:10,820
we have. That is trying to do latest and greatest

1966
02:14:10,820 --> 02:14:15,020
science and management implementing on the ground by getting the

1967
02:14:15,020 --> 02:14:18,660
trees planted. And as you have seen in so many

1968
02:14:18,660 --> 02:14:24,180
of our other disciplines, our wildlife biologists, with beaver dam.

1969
02:14:24,761 --> 02:14:30,443
Analogs. And protection of prebbles metal jumping mouse and growing

1970
02:14:30,443 --> 02:14:34,963
out red belly dais. We really are trying our best

1971
02:14:34,963 --> 02:14:38,043
to be on the cutting edge of what is the

1972
02:14:38,043 --> 02:14:41,899
right thing to do. For the environment out here. And.

1973
02:14:42,833 --> 02:14:46,455
That's true. Up and down. Our whole organization. So I

1974
02:14:46,455 --> 02:14:49,175
just wanted to say thank you to Shane and to

1975
02:14:49,175 --> 02:14:52,615
say that we do understand, so. Much of the nuance.

1976
02:14:52,615 --> 02:14:55,335
And we are trying with latest greatest to really do

1977
02:14:55,335 --> 02:14:59,356
the right thing. And a couple of my updates. Kind

1978
02:14:59,356 --> 02:15:01,836
of touch on that a little bit. Colorado Parks and

1979
02:15:01,836 --> 02:15:06,316
wildlife is launching a beaver management strategy in Boulder county

1980
02:15:06,316 --> 02:15:08,436
parks. Open space is going to be a partner right

1981
02:15:08,436 --> 02:15:12,457
along with them. As you've seen in other presentations, we

1982
02:15:12,457 --> 02:15:16,137
have implemented, we've installed beaver dam analogs. So in our

1983
02:15:16,137 --> 02:15:19,697
creek restoration, we are trying to replicate what beavers do,

1984
02:15:19,697 --> 02:15:22,577
and with the hope that beavers will come out and

1985
02:15:22,577 --> 02:15:26,737
start using those places. We've done beaver relocation. In the

1986
02:15:26,737 --> 02:15:32,686
past. And we are trying to improve areas again up

1987
02:15:32,686 --> 02:15:36,529
in the high country, like in Caribou. Ranch. Where we're

1988
02:15:36,529 --> 02:15:40,649
trying to improve the habitat, not necessarily with the beaverdam

1989
02:15:40,649 --> 02:15:43,729
analog, but to assure that beavers can make their way

1990
02:15:43,729 --> 02:15:48,379
back there. Anyway, we're looking forward to that. Again, latest

1991
02:15:48,379 --> 02:15:52,659
greatest science. There is also this September end of September,

1992
02:15:52,659 --> 02:15:56,219
early October. The Society for Ecological Restoration. It's a national

1993
02:15:56,219 --> 02:16:00,710
society. They are having their conference in Denver and Boulder

1994
02:16:00,710 --> 02:16:02,870
county parks and open space is going to be one

1995
02:16:02,870 --> 02:16:06,150
of the field trips. And we are taking them out

1996
02:16:06,150 --> 02:16:08,070
to see some of our restoration. I believe our field

1997
02:16:08,070 --> 02:16:10,110
trip is going to be on the St. Brain Creek

1998
02:16:10,110 --> 02:16:15,390
restoration, basically. Longmont two lions after the flood with our

1999
02:16:15,390 --> 02:16:22,906
prebbles. And red belly dais and widening the floodplain. So

2000
02:16:22,906 --> 02:16:25,586
good stuff. If anyone is interested in, has free time

2001
02:16:25,586 --> 02:16:28,985
and wants to attend that conference. I think that it

2002
02:16:28,985 --> 02:16:32,710
is great. I've only been to one. But could be

2003
02:16:32,710 --> 02:16:35,430
very interesting. I also understand it's not the cheapest conference,

2004
02:16:35,430 --> 02:16:40,722
so we understand. If you don't make it. So, other

2005
02:16:40,722 --> 02:16:45,192
updates. Range view. That's the property that you approved recently.

2006
02:16:46,522 --> 02:16:48,682
It was the property up on Gunboro Hill proposed for

2007
02:16:48,682 --> 02:16:52,715
a tennis facility. We are closing on it. The goal

2008
02:16:52,715 --> 02:16:55,035
was get it closed by July 31. We're closing. At

2009
02:16:55,035 --> 02:16:59,688
it on July 30. So just under the wire. We'll

2010
02:16:59,688 --> 02:17:04,809
have plenty of time. We have selected a contractor for

2011
02:17:04,809 --> 02:17:11,869
the southwest. Trailhead and trail for prairie run. So we're

2012
02:17:11,869 --> 02:17:14,589
very excited. They came in at a pretty decent price.

2013
02:17:14,589 --> 02:17:17,389
We had four bids. On the project. So we got

2014
02:17:17,389 --> 02:17:21,349
competitive bids, and we are going to be starting that

2015
02:17:21,349 --> 02:17:22,709
contract as soon as we make it through all the

2016
02:17:22,709 --> 02:17:27,690
paperwork. And Boulder county has a goal. We as a

2017
02:17:27,690 --> 02:17:30,650
county did a disparity study and what that basically looked

2018
02:17:30,650 --> 02:17:35,513
at is, who are we contracting? And are our contractors

2019
02:17:35,513 --> 02:17:40,310
representative of the contracting world as a whole. For diversity,

2020
02:17:40,310 --> 02:17:45,510
equity and inclusion, primarily women and minority owned businesses. And

2021
02:17:45,510 --> 02:17:51,070
we found that we are hiring contractors at 13% that

2022
02:17:51,070 --> 02:17:54,030
are women and minority owned. And the population of contractors

2023
02:17:54,030 --> 02:17:57,631
out there is 25%. So the county as a whole

2024
02:17:57,631 --> 02:18:01,671
has a goal of increasing who we contract with and

2025
02:18:01,671 --> 02:18:05,191
our prairie. Run project was the test case for the

2026
02:18:05,191 --> 02:18:08,551
county. So again, pioneers. We're the first one. To say,

2027
02:18:08,551 --> 02:18:11,551
okay, how can we set some goals and targets and

2028
02:18:11,551 --> 02:18:15,071
assure that our contractors are really representative of the contracting

2029
02:18:15,071 --> 02:18:20,764
pool. So we are also doing the same thing. We've

2030
02:18:20,764 --> 02:18:24,564
got some trail resurfacing on the Lobo trail, so that's.

2031
02:18:24,564 --> 02:18:27,164
Also going to take women and minority owned businesses into

2032
02:18:27,164 --> 02:18:31,610
account. Then a few projects you might see as you

2033
02:18:31,610 --> 02:18:33,250
drive by out there or you want to go. To

2034
02:18:33,250 --> 02:18:37,570
your favorite spot, Legion park. We are resurfacing the parking

2035
02:18:37,570 --> 02:18:40,450
up there so that's going to be closed for a

2036
02:18:40,450 --> 02:18:44,770
little while. Lagerman is a much bigger upgrade. This has

2037
02:18:44,770 --> 02:18:47,690
been on our list for. I can't even count. Probably

2038
02:18:47,690 --> 02:18:50,363
five or six. Years, we finally have the time and

2039
02:18:50,363 --> 02:18:53,443
the resources and are implementing that. And it's a six

2040
02:18:53,443 --> 02:18:56,803
month closure for the Lagerman parking lot. You can still

2041
02:18:56,803 --> 02:19:00,820
use the trail. You can. Park along. Oxford road there.

2042
02:19:00,820 --> 02:19:03,580
But Loggerman is going to be closed, and surprisingly, I

2043
02:19:03,580 --> 02:19:07,220
have not heard a whole lot of pushback from it.

2044
02:19:07,220 --> 02:19:10,020
Closed a week or two ago, so people are adjusting.

2045
02:19:11,877 --> 02:19:16,317
On July 31 is World Ranger Day. So if you

2046
02:19:16,317 --> 02:19:18,877
see a ranger out there, tell them thank you for

2047
02:19:18,877 --> 02:19:23,875
all the hard work that they do. And then we

2048
02:19:23,875 --> 02:19:29,201
have. One. Somewhat big news, but it's not official yet.

2049
02:19:31,136 --> 02:19:34,216
And this goes back to Derek and Tony's often raised

2050
02:19:34,216 --> 02:19:37,518
questions. What's our long term goal? How much money do

2051
02:19:37,518 --> 02:19:42,398
we have? The county commissioners are considering the potential of

2052
02:19:42,398 --> 02:19:46,718
putting on the ballot this year as a commemoration for

2053
02:19:46,718 --> 02:19:52,974
our 50th anniversary. Extending. The zero point 15% sales tax,

2054
02:19:52,974 --> 02:19:57,776
one of our four existing sales taxes. It is zero

2055
02:19:57,776 --> 02:20:01,496
point 15%, which in today's dollars brings in about 15

2056
02:20:01,496 --> 02:20:07,153
million. And it expires in 2030, so. They are acting

2057
02:20:07,153 --> 02:20:14,215
proactively. We have seen good results by our neighbors. Or

2058
02:20:14,215 --> 02:20:18,767
municipalities city belong on just extended airs. This would be

2059
02:20:18,767 --> 02:20:21,087
in perpetuity. City of long much is extended. There is.

2060
02:20:22,629 --> 02:20:26,678
Perpetuity St. Frane left Hand Conservation District. Just extended theirs

2061
02:20:26,678 --> 02:20:32,832
in perpetuity. So keep your eyes out. We may be

2062
02:20:32,832 --> 02:20:36,752
asking your support for that ballot initiative if they do

2063
02:20:36,752 --> 02:20:40,652
approve it. If they approve it, it'd be August 13.

2064
02:20:40,652 --> 02:20:45,410
August 13? So keep your eye out for that. And

2065
02:20:45,410 --> 02:20:50,656
that is all I have. Any questions? Teresa, you're going

2066
02:20:50,656 --> 02:20:54,376
to give us a little newspaper thing about the I

2067
02:20:54,376 --> 02:20:58,096
was and they're there. Vivian brought them for you. So

2068
02:20:58,096 --> 02:21:05,725
this again. We are still. Just past halfway of our

2069
02:21:05,725 --> 02:21:08,845
50th anniversary, and this came out in the daily camera.

2070
02:21:08,845 --> 02:21:12,715
It's also available online. It is in the camera online.

2071
02:21:14,555 --> 02:21:17,675
And I have to thank Vivian Janipore because this was

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really her project. And you'll see. It certainly highlights some

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of the many things parks and if a space does.

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But it's a wonderful way to celebrate 50 years. Thank

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you for the reminder. Otherwise I would have been sitting

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there tomorrow morning. All right. Well, thanks. Great stuff. With

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that. No more questions. We will adjourn the meeting. Thank

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you, everyone.