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Good evening everyone and welcome to the

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October 23rd,

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2025 meeting of the Boulder County Parks

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and Open Space Committee. My name is

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Janet George and I'll be chairing the

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meeting tonight and we got a pretty good

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size agenda here. We have six

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presentations

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and we have four that we will need to

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have a recommendation for the

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commissioners and two are informational

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and there'll be an opportunity for the

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public to comment on each agenda item or

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each of the presentations

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and then at um towards the end the

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public has a comment period for items

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not on the agenda. Um so we'll start

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with call to order and then roll call.

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Trace Baker,

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present.

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Carol Berley,

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present.

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Janet George, present. Christine

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Johnson,

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here.

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Vicky Lawrence,

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present.

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Tony Lewis is absent or excused.

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Joan Lutz

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Derek Turner should be here in about 15

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minutes.

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And John White

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All right. Thanks everyone. Next agenda

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item is approval of last month's

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minutes. And good job, Renata. Another

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great

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um detailed set of minutes. Um does

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anybody have any discussions? Carol um

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Carol Berly Posac. I'm going to put in

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my periodic complaint about um acronyms.

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And um as a historian, somebody would

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come back and look at these minutes, you

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know, decades from now. They would have

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no idea what some of these programs

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were.

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So, um, in fact, well, I'm here, right?

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And I didn't know what POS E TBA was and

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then I it TB. Anyway, so I would suggest

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that, um, first time we mentioned

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things, uh, write them out. Um, and, um,

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sorry to interrupt. We're having a

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slight technical difficulties with the

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online. So, um, we're just going to have

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you hold on just one second while we can

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get this sorted.

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All right, we're on the approval of last

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month's minutes and Carol Berley was

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saying something. She had about

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I was um having my um semianual

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complaint about u acronyms and said that

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as a historian and if I was coming back

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several years or decade later read these

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minutes, I wouldn't know what the

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organizations were. um and that even

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today I should know and I didn't know

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what POSITBA

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was. Um so I would just request that the

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first time um a department is mentioned

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that it be written out um for for

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posterity if if not um for us. So that

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is my request. Thank you.

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Thanks Carol. Good request. Good point.

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Yes, John. Do you care about knits like

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misspelling?

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You can bring that up.

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Okay. The uh uh stringent is misspelled

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in the third paragraph under wild

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wildlife mitigation.

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I don't have anything substantive like

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All right. Anyone else on the minutes?

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Okay. Do we have a motion to approve the

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minutes with acronyms spelled out the

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first time and a correction to the

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spelling?

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So moved.

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A second. Got a second. Who seconded?

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John.

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Okay. Thanks, John. Um, let's do a vote.

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All in favor say I. I.

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All opposed. All opposed.

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here. We're good. All right. The minutes

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pass.

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And on to the presentations. So the

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first one we're going to have Aaron

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Clark tell us about the paintbrush

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conservation easement acquisition.

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Take it away Aaron.

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All right. Uh I don't know what ITBA

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means either. And I work for POS. So um

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all right. We'll begin with this. I get

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this thing nice and close to me. Ah, for

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much longer than parks and open spac's

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history of stewarding open space, the

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land of this community has been

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important to American Indian, urban,

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native, indigenous, and other cultural

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communities that continue to live here.

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We are making meaningful changes to how

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we do our work that include them,

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incorporate their perspectives, and

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honor their land stewardship legacy.

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Parks and open space operates within

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modern legal constructs of land

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ownership to steward Boulder County Open

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Space and accomplish these efforts on

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behalf of our community. All

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right. So, I'm Eric Clark, land officer

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with Parks and Open Space, and I'm here

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for number one, uh, acquisition of a

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conservation easement on what we're

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calling the Paintbrush property.

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Property is right about there, southeast

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of Ned in, uh, kind of upper Cole Creek

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Canyon on Highway 72, east of the Peak

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to Peak. Uh, here's a nice little

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vicinity map. Uh, it's in a cluster of

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property, uh, owned by either Boulder

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County or by the Forest Service. Uh

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nearby we have the Bearberry open space

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which was acquired earlier this year

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there on the south side. Uh Elk Tracks

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is immediately to the east acquired back

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in 2024. Up on the north is Reynolds

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Ranch. Um just as a note, Highway 72

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here at this point is part of a scenic

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protection corridor. Uh and since I've

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been doing a lot of work up here, I can

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know it's a very pretty drive.

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Uh property is primarily forested or

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wetlands. There's plenty of aspens up

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there. I am not expert, but I'm fairly

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sure I saw limber pine. Have to get

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somebody up there to make sure. Uh

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property is approximately 35 acres owned

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by a very nice man named TJ Price. Uh

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there are no structures at this time.

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The conservation easement we propose uh

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we've worked out with the property owner

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restricts development to one of two

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agreed upon building envelopes. When one

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is chosen, the other will be immediately

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extinguished. Um it permits a small

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cabin and associated out buildings um no

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more than 2,000 square feet on the

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cabin. Uh the easement also contains a

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router first refusal for the county. Uh

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agreed upon price is $215,000.

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Ah I went way too fast. All right. Uh

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comprehensive plan designations. Uh

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you've all heard me say this before.

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These maps are intended to be

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illustrative rather than specific. And

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the following destinations are

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indicators of importance but not

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confirmation that these features exist

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on the property. Uh number one, you see

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we have the environmental conservation

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area Magnolia immediately to the north

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and uh a B3 high biodiversity area over

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there on the west and really close

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proximity.

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Uh here we have quite a few things. Uh

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riparian areas as noted in the

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comprehensive plan. Uh you can see it

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cuts right through the middle of the

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paintbrush property uh based on kind of

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an ephemeral stream uh that is a

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tributary to Beaver Creek which is in a

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tributary of South Boulder Creek. Up on

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the north of that purple hash is a u

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marked wildlife migration corridor.

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Everyone I've worked with in this area

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always going on about moose, elk. Uh TJ

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here had video of a pine martin that he

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saw. Uh there's wildlife everywhere up

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here. Um and finally that red hash on

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the west there is mapped critical

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wildlife habitat. Uh here we have

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wetlands. Uh again you'll note that they

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kind of share the same area as that

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ephemeral stream right there. And uh the

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lighter green is significant natural

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communities.

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Uh just a few more photos for you. I

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haven't been up there for a while. I was

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up there back in the spring. Uh so again

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you can see forest, some light snow, a

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little bit of the wet area. um fairly

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fairly gentle slopes. Uh lastly, I want

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to make a note on the funding source

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we're proposing to use for this purpose.

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Uh paintbrush is about 5 milesi from G

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reservoir. So we propose to acquire this

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easement with funds from the 2021 G

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reservoir settlement between Denver

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water and Boulder County. That

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settlement allowed $5.1 million to

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Boulder County for acquisitions of fee

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properties, conservation easements, or

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trail corridors. Uh and so the board's

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direction to us has been to look for

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acquisitions that uh meet community

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priorities of habitat protection,

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passive recreation, or both. And uh also

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to find it in the gross reservoir area.

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Um since the area right around Gross is

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largely developed, we've had to look a

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little farther a field uh and so we feel

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that this uh this property meets the

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criteria that we've been instructed to

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look for uh and is an excellent

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candidate for protection. So staff

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supports this and I'm hopeful that you

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do too. And at this point I'll take any

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Um thanks Aaron. Appreciate the

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presentation.

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Um POSC we got questions. Looks like

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John's got something.

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Um I don't have the the write up in

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front of me, but the uh yeah it says in

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the text that uh you're going to use the

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gross reservoir money and at the bottom

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it says it's funded by tax. Uh,

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I believe that's what we call a

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whoopsie.

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That's fine. As long as it's an oopsie,

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that's then I'll vote for it.

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All right, Trace.

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Uh, Trace Baker, POSAC. Um, I noticed in

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the write up we received,

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um, it did not mention water rights. Is

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this because it's a conservation

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easement rather than an acquisition?

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Uh well partly because it's a

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conservation easement not an acquisition

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but also because uh you know there are

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no water shares of any kind on the

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property so we're not really acquiring

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anything like that.

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Thank you. Okay, Christine.

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Um, Christine Johnson, POSAC. I was

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really curious um particularly with this

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uh property um when there's a

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conservation easement um what

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where does Boulder County stand in terms

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of making recommendations regarding

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thinning? because I'm aware um for

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forest health for for wildfire um I'm

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aware that there's a lot of really dense

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um forest um up there and a lot of it on

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uh private land and I have wondered

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about um the risk of wildfire and uh

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particularly um around residential

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um spots and I'm just I'm wondering how

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that works when um it's aer conservation

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easement as opposed to something we own

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outright.

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I I just know I saw somebody from

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forestry walk in while I was talking, so

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I would love a little backup.

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[Laughter]

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I'm Mike Lang. I'm the natural resources

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um division manager um formerly forestry

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supervisor. We don't do forestry work on

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conservation. We're not allowed to do

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that. So, but we do on our fee only

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properties of course.

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When um when walkthroughs are are

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happen, do you guys like make any

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recommendations to folks or is it just

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it is what it is?

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Um in my experience, I mean, we might

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note, you know, if we're doing a

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monitoring visit, it might say, "Hey,

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this is fairly overgrown." Um I mean,

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Michael's correct. This is private

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property. We can't do anything

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ourselves. Um I I just wasn't aware if

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if your staff ever go on private

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property and make recommendations.

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We don't. But we do have um we do have a

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a conservation program that would go out

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and visit these properties every 3

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years. They talk with the land owners.

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They can make those recommendations

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particularly wildfire partners which I

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think was here last month. Um Jim

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Webster gave a presentation. That's the

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avenue to help those um individuals do

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work on their own private land.

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Thank you.

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Yeah. Thanks.

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Okay. Okay, I saw Carol and then Derek,

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we'll go down there.

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Um, Carol Berley Posak, I really like

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the maps that um showed the criteria and

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I think that's a really great tool to

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help us understand um what we're um

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talking about. Um I also like the fact

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that you put up the amount of money in

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the gross reservoir um payment and so

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then but I would suggest arithmetic that

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we say okay 5.1 million minus 1.5

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million equals that leaves us with 3.6 6

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million um for future um uses to just

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kind of do our

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only 250k. 215K.

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This is only 215K.

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Yeah, this is $215,000.

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Okay. Well, that the So, the math would

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have even been better if if you had done

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it.

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So, something cost.5. Uh, I think you

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might you might have been thinking of uh

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Bearberry was the last property we

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purchased with these funds and that was

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around $1.6 million.

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Okay. So, how much do we have left?

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Uh, I'm going to say right around 3.4 if

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I'm doing the math. Now, what I'm going

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to say is I'm not aware if anybody else

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is spending money out of this fund. I'm

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not aware that I don't think anybody is.

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Um, but with the work that I have done,

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this gross is kind of my my area, my

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project. Um, between this and Barberry,

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we're looking at about $3.4 $4 million

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left over.

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Okay. Well, then that's an even better

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point. Um, so I think it helps for us to

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have a sense of where the um what the

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money situation is so that we can be

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responsible and and um have a sense of

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the landscape as it were uh the

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financial landscape as well as the

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natural landscape. So thank you.

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Okay, Derek

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Derek Turner Pac said it better myself.

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Um is do you know if there's a time

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limit for spending that money?

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Uh according to the settlement um

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there's no particular time limit on it.

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No.

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Um yeah and just to echo that I think it

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would be super helpful and potentially I

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would think the county commissioners

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would also want to know you know what

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what is left. Um

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my other question is um if so I see that

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the restrictions will allow building

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2,000 foot and then a res a

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non-residential structure. If there was

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no conservation easement, what could

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they do?

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Well, I'm not an expert planner, but the

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structure could be considerably larger

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that much I know with more associated

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out buildings and there will be a lot

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wider latitude as to where on the

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property they could put it. So what this

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easement does, it restricts the size of

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the buildings, the size of the

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outuildings, and where on the property

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they can be placed. I'll also note uh

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that just because we are permitting a

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little bit of building on the property,

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that does affect the price of the

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easement. This is less than it would be

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value-wise than it would be if it was a

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clean sweep, all the rights removed, and

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we'd be paying a lot more for that.

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Okay. And then there's also a right of

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first refusal.

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Yes. And is that valued into the

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It's hard to value that. Um, you know,

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the day may come someday when the owner

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wants to sell it and at that point we

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will have the right to make an offer.

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Um, it's it's not really part of the

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value calculation. It's just something

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we try to get if we think we might

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conceivably be interested in the future.

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Thank you.

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All right. Um, let's go to Vicki.

402
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Vicky Lawrence Posac. So what would

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happen if

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it's determined that the gross reservoir

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uh dam has to be renicked on? Does this

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money have to be given back to Denver?

407
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Not that I am aware of. Uh I think that

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is a legal underwater question beyond my

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ken. But uh the settlement doesn't say

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anything about that. I can tell you

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that.

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I I have one more quick question. Is

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this riparian stream is that a perennial

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stream or It's pretty ephemeral. It like

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shows up and snow melt and fades away

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again in the summer.

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Okay, John.

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Um John White Bozac, the um when they

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build the the building whatever the

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cabin there, does that white trailer go

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away or is that

422
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Well, um that's where he likes to camp

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now when he goes up there. So, I mean,

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it'll be up to him whether he wants to

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park it there or not, but uh he I I

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expect it might go away. if he has a

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cabin to stay in.

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There's no nothing in the uh easement

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about whether he can keep a trailer in

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the cabin.

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No, it doesn't limit whether he can park

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a vehicle on that that spot of dirt

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there along the road. No, he can keep it

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there if he wants to.

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Okay.

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All right. So, let's move on to public

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comments. Do we have anybody in the

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audience that wants to make a comment?

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Seeing none, do we have anybody online?

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back.

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Hey, for those on Zoom, if you would

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like to comment on the current agenda

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item, please use the raise hand feature

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so we can call on you.

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I'm not seeing any raised hands.

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Okay, so POSAC, one last chance. Any

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more discussion?

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Yes, Vicky Lawrence again. And I'm

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sorry. Oh, I was going to ask how many

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acres this is. 36. Is that what we're

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looking? Okay, thanks. Okay. All right.

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Let's uh take a vote on this. Um or

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well, let's first have a motion. And the

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motion would be or go ahead. Is somebody

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Trace Baker or POSAC? Um I move that uh

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POSAC approve the uh paintbrush

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conservation easement as described in

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the handout and by staff.

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I second it if you fix the uh the tax

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line at the end.

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Okay.

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All right. So, the motion has been

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approved and seconded. Um, so let's take

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a vote. All in favor say I.

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I. Any opposed say no.

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Seeing that it passes unanimously.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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So Erin, you still have the floor. Oh,

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I have one more for you.

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Yes, we have an easement. The Long Seth

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Lynch and IBM PVA easement.

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Okay, and we're back. All right, so what

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I have for you is uh as you said, Long

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says Lynch IBM property power line

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easement. Uh so where this is at, you

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all probably know where the IBM property

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is right there where 119 and 52

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converge. Um the actual matter we're

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discussing is a little farther west

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closer to 63rd Street and Mineral Road.

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Uh we're going to live on this map for

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the rest of my presentation. So uh the

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IBM property is there in bright green on

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the right uh co-owned by city and county

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uh under an agricultural leach lease

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leachch lease and the purpose uh is a

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preservation. Uh, so our a folks came to

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us and asked for some help with this.

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Apparently the grades on IBM are wonky

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and they make flood irrigation really

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difficult. So they've been trying to

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irrigate with sprayers and a large pump.

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And right now they're using a diesel

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generator for that. And what they would

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like to do is bring power from 63rd

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Street to the site so they can power

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this pump and these sprayers uh just a

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lot more cheaply and efficiently than

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continually buying diesel.

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So we're trying to get three-phase power

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from 63rd across two private properties

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over to the county property on IBM. So,

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since we're crossing two private

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properties, we're looking to acquire two

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easements, uh, 10- foot wide easements

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to run underground power lines from

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63rd. Uh, first across that little lot

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there on the west, um, owned by a couple

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of fellows named Tino and Shar and then

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across the one there in the middle that

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is called the Long Seth Lynch property.

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It is private but held under

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conservation easement again by both

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county and city. I will note that both

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agencies have approved of this use um

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because it supports the agricultural

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purpose of both the Long Seth Lynch

519
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property and the IBM property. So we are

520
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bringing power. Um the reason we're kind

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of doing it this way, uh PVRA is the

522
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agency we're working with the utility

523
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provider. They will install but they

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don't maintain. Their stance is

525
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basically that line any facilities are

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the property of the land owner on whose

527
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land they sit. Uh so we're not asking

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these private land owners to maintain

529
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our power lines for us. So we're we're

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acquiring these ements so we can go on

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there install and then have access to

532
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maintain the lines that serve our

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property. Uh cost for all of this will

534
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be $9,866.

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uh 6180 for uh Tino and Shar and 36.86

536
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for uh the Long Sath property there in

537
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the middle and uh that's what I have. So

538
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happily have any questions.

539
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All right, POSAC any questions?

540
00:22:07,679 --> 00:22:13,760
All right, let's go to Trace first. Uh

541
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Trace Baker, POSAC, uh nice simple

542
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presentation. Thank you. Um, so this

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will be an underground

544
00:22:20,159 --> 00:22:25,120
uh will it be installed with a ditch or

545
00:22:23,120 --> 00:22:26,480
through horizontal drilling?

546
00:22:25,120 --> 00:22:29,200
Uh, I understand that we're going to

547
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:33,360
trench it, but that is not my expertise.

548
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:35,440
Okay. So then there will be something in

549
00:22:33,360 --> 00:22:37,039
the easement, some language about

550
00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:40,320
restoring

551
00:22:37,039 --> 00:22:43,679
the surface regardless of how it's done.

552
00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:47,840
Yes. And then in the future if they have

553
00:22:43,679 --> 00:22:51,200
to dig that up to maintain it then they

554
00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:51,840
are also uh required to restore the

555
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,360
surface.

556
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:55,679
Of course that that they of course is

557
00:22:53,360 --> 00:22:57,600
we. So yes we will be maintaining it.

558
00:22:55,679 --> 00:22:59,679
Okay.

559
00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:01,360
Okay. That's all I have. Thank you. All

560
00:22:59,679 --> 00:23:03,120
right. Any other question? Vicki yours

561
00:23:01,360 --> 00:23:05,760
was covered. That was a good question.

562
00:23:03,120 --> 00:23:08,400
Yep. I think we several. So I have one

563
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:10,159
question. Um you said sprayers. Do you

564
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,360
mean are they are you using sprinklers

565
00:23:10,159 --> 00:23:13,280
out here to irrigate?

566
00:23:11,360 --> 00:23:15,840
Uh how they put it to me? They said

567
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:17,760
tiered sprinklers. Uh again, not my area

568
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:19,760
of expertise. I just know that it draws

569
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,640
a lot of power and so I need to get them

570
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,960
power.

571
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:26,480
All right. All right. Very good. Thank

572
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:29,039
you. So, do we have anybody in the room

573
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:31,280
that wants to comment on this? Nobody

574
00:23:29,039 --> 00:23:32,960
from the public in the room. How about

575
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:34,159
online? We got anybody wanting to

576
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:36,480
comment?

577
00:23:34,159 --> 00:23:39,120
I'm not seeing any raised hands.

578
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:42,320
Okay, one more time. Posacy any more

579
00:23:39,120 --> 00:23:45,320
discussion? Nope. All right. Do I have a

580
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,320
motion?

581
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:51,440
I Carol Berley Posac

582
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:55,360
uh recommend approval of the easement on

583
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:57,200
this um property as described by Aaron.

584
00:23:55,360 --> 00:23:58,640
Thank you, Carol. About a second.

585
00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:02,080
Vicky Lawrence, I second.

586
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:04,159
Okay, Vicki seconds. Um let's go to a

587
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:06,880
vote on this.

588
00:24:04,159 --> 00:24:09,360
So all those in favor say I. I.

589
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:12,880
I. Any oppose say no.

590
00:24:09,360 --> 00:24:14,400
Seeing no no nos. It passes unanimously.

591
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:16,320
Thank you Aaron. Very efficient.

592
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,960
Thanks very much.

593
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:20,400
All right.

594
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:21,360
All right. Next we'll have up Tina

595
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,080
Burkart.

596
00:24:21,360 --> 00:24:24,000
Close.

597
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:25,120
Give us two seconds to do a little

598
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,799
technology flip here.

599
00:24:25,120 --> 00:24:28,559
Over here. Don't pull out the big cord.

600
00:24:26,799 --> 00:24:30,559
Oh no. I'm just trying to pull out my

601
00:24:28,559 --> 00:24:32,559
jump drive. I might jinx us and say

602
00:24:30,559 --> 00:24:35,559
we're actually a little ahead of

603
00:24:32,559 --> 00:24:35,559
schedule.

604
00:24:36,559 --> 00:24:39,760
I know at home

605
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:41,360
that doesn't look like Boulder County.

606
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:43,120
Oh, thank you.

607
00:24:41,360 --> 00:24:44,880
United States.

608
00:24:43,120 --> 00:24:45,520
Uh, what am I doing first? Four mile,

609
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,440
right?

610
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,159
Yes. You're doing four mile property

611
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,240
acquisition.

612
00:24:48,159 --> 00:24:51,440
Thank you. Um, hang on. Wait, don't take

613
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,240
Oh, that's fine.

614
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:55,279
Speed your mind.

615
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:57,200
Okay. All right. I'll get let Aaron take

616
00:24:55,279 --> 00:25:01,480
a second to

617
00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:01,480
get get himself sorted.

618
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:06,960
Okay,

619
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:09,279
thanks Aaron. Good evening. Tina

620
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:11,279
Burkart, land officer, parks and open

621
00:25:09,279 --> 00:25:13,440
space. Um

622
00:25:11,279 --> 00:25:18,480
I'm my first item is a four mile

623
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:20,880
property. Um it is a second right there.

624
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:23,360
It is located at um west of the city of

625
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:27,039
Boulder at the intersection of Four Mile

626
00:25:23,360 --> 00:25:29,440
Canyon and Boulder Canyon Drive.

627
00:25:27,039 --> 00:25:32,320
There's a nice map. Uh the property is

628
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:35,440
6.63 acres and the owner is Michael

629
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:37,840
Sandrock. Uh this this map and a few

630
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:40,320
others will show um the property's

631
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:43,440
proximity to uh the county's Passo

632
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:47,039
Preserve open space.

633
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:50,080
Again, this property is 6.63 acres. The

634
00:25:47,039 --> 00:25:51,200
proposed purchase price is $1.5 million.

635
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:54,480
Maybe that's what you were thinking

636
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:56,960
about. Um, it has one native building

637
00:25:54,480 --> 00:26:00,080
right and it is encumbered by a historic

638
00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:02,080
preservation conservation easement

639
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:04,400
which uh protects the historic features

640
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:06,720
of the property.

641
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:09,039
I got a few pictures for you. This photo

642
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:11,840
captures four mile which runs along the

643
00:26:09,039 --> 00:26:13,840
east edge of the property. Um, looking

644
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:15,840
north here, uh, you can see portions of

645
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:17,520
a structure, um, to the adjacent

646
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:20,880
property, which is, uh, the Adventure

647
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:22,799
Lodge property, which you may not be

648
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:25,039
familiar with.

649
00:26:22,799 --> 00:26:28,240
Um, this photo is taken from the

650
00:26:25,039 --> 00:26:30,080
property looking southwest and um, this

651
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,679
looks onto Boulder Canyon Drive and you

652
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:34,720
can see the end of the Boulder Creek

653
00:26:31,679 --> 00:26:39,200
path from here. That's kind of that blue

654
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:41,200
I think it's a um, port potty.

655
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,880
And then this photo is taken from the

656
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:44,799
southwest portion of the property. As

657
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:47,360
you can see, the property's hilly and

658
00:26:44,799 --> 00:26:49,120
forested. Uh, and this view is also

659
00:26:47,360 --> 00:26:52,400
looking over Boulder Canyon. I think

660
00:26:49,120 --> 00:26:55,520
that's Chapman Drive across the across

661
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:58,320
the valley there.

662
00:26:55,520 --> 00:27:00,400
And, uh, a few more photos. Uh, this top

663
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:02,320
photo is looking mostly south. And what

664
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:05,120
you're seeing there is the, uh, roaded

665
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:07,760
for the historic Gordon Mckenry Road.

666
00:27:05,120 --> 00:27:10,960
Um, and this roaded is actually mostly

667
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:13,840
intact. um to where the property joins

668
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:15,679
Picasso to the west. The bottom right

669
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:17,200
photo is looking to the northeast, I

670
00:27:15,679 --> 00:27:19,120
believe. And I'll talk a little bit more

671
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:21,840
about the historic features on the

672
00:27:19,120 --> 00:27:23,760
property later.

673
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:26,320
Uh so there are also some structures on

674
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:28,960
the property. Two of them are um

675
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:32,159
residences and then there is a detached

676
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:34,080
uh garage and a studio. The two existing

677
00:27:32,159 --> 00:27:35,600
residences are considered non-conforming

678
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,279
since only one building right is

679
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:40,760
associated with the property under the

680
00:27:37,279 --> 00:27:40,760
land use code.

681
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,320
All right, comp plan designations.

682
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,400
There's a whole bunch on this property,

683
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:49,360
so I kind of combined a few on each map,

684
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:50,640
so bear with me. And uh as you know,

685
00:27:49,360 --> 00:27:52,480
these maps are intended to be

686
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:54,480
illustrative rather than specific. And

687
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:56,080
the following designations are ind are

688
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,679
indicators of importance, but not

689
00:27:56,080 --> 00:28:00,240
confirmation that these features exist

690
00:27:57,679 --> 00:28:02,960
on the property.

691
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:05,200
Okay, so the oranges shading on the

692
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:08,960
western third of this property indicates

693
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:11,120
the B3 high biodiversity area. The

694
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:13,679
purple hatching on the sort of east part

695
00:28:11,120 --> 00:28:16,159
of the property um show the riparian

696
00:28:13,679 --> 00:28:18,320
areas based on four mile creek which you

697
00:28:16,159 --> 00:28:20,240
you saw earlier in the photo that runs

698
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:23,279
through the east side of the property.

699
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:26,240
Uh and then the red on the map indicates

700
00:28:23,279 --> 00:28:30,720
um the Prebles Meadow jumping mouse zone

701
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:30,720
7 foothills perennial stream.

702
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:36,080
And on this slide we have uh the purple

703
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:38,240
line designating riparian habitat

704
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,840
connector area that runs along the east

705
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:43,120
side of the property again along four

706
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:45,200
mile creek. Um the light green yellow

707
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:47,440
and greenish yellow shading that pretty

708
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:49,360
much covers the whole property uh is

709
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:52,240
designated as having significant natural

710
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:54,000
communities. And um as for view

711
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:56,080
protection corridor, both Boulder Canyon

712
00:28:54,000 --> 00:29:00,480
Drive and Four Mile Canyon Drive give it

713
00:28:56,080 --> 00:29:02,799
a view protection corridor uh element.

714
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:06,320
Lastly, uh the yellow shading that

715
00:29:02,799 --> 00:29:07,840
covers the whole thing and more um

716
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:11,760
indicates the property is in in an

717
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:15,039
archaeologically sensitive area.

718
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:17,679
Okay, this is kind of the fun stuff. Um,

719
00:29:15,039 --> 00:29:20,399
so the property is uh received a Boulder

720
00:29:17,679 --> 00:29:22,799
County landmark designation in 1993

721
00:29:20,399 --> 00:29:25,120
recognizing the historical significance

722
00:29:22,799 --> 00:29:27,919
to the Oriel town site, which is where

723
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:29,600
the property lies. And the town sites

724
00:29:27,919 --> 00:29:31,919
goes a little beyond the property, but

725
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:35,039
the property was right where the town

726
00:29:31,919 --> 00:29:36,720
site was. Um, it was once located at the

727
00:29:35,039 --> 00:29:39,600
junction of Four Mile Creek and Boulder

728
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:41,919
Creek. Um, the townite is historically

729
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:44,159
known for its water powered sawmill. So

730
00:29:41,919 --> 00:29:46,000
that was a hydro plant railard and

731
00:29:44,159 --> 00:29:47,840
contributed significantly to the

732
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:50,159
development of ore processing industry

733
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:51,919
as well as serving as a major juncture

734
00:29:50,159 --> 00:29:54,559
for travel and transportation between

735
00:29:51,919 --> 00:29:57,039
the mountains and the plains. Uh the

736
00:29:54,559 --> 00:29:58,720
town site was also known for the Saddle

737
00:29:57,039 --> 00:30:00,640
Rock in I have a picture of that in a

738
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:03,600
minute. A public resort that operated

739
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:06,960
from the years 1932 to 1941 until it

740
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:08,960
burned to the ground in the end of 1941.

741
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:11,919
Shortly after that, the construction of

742
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:13,840
uh 119 or Boulder Canyon Drive began in

743
00:30:11,919 --> 00:30:17,440
the location to be the primary activity

744
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:19,520
area of the Oridel town site. So the

745
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:23,120
photo above shows the hydropowered

746
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:24,880
sawmill. So Boulder Creek is in the for

747
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:27,200
foreground there and the rail line

748
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:28,640
coming down from Four-Mile Canyon um I

749
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:31,520
believe was part of the Switzerland

750
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:35,039
trail.

751
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:37,120
Uh here's another fun shot. Um this is

752
00:30:35,039 --> 00:30:39,200
you can see the Gordon Mckenry row that

753
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:42,960
I mentioned earlier up on the kind of

754
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:44,880
top right and then um that that's the

755
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:47,679
while the hydroelectric plant was being

756
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:50,799
constructed in 1906

757
00:30:47,679 --> 00:30:53,840
and that hydro project began in 1906

758
00:30:50,799 --> 00:30:57,120
halted in ' 07 during an economic

759
00:30:53,840 --> 00:31:00,880
depression. Work resumed in 1909 but it

760
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:02,559
was only in operation for one year.

761
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:05,120
All right, a few more few more fun

762
00:31:02,559 --> 00:31:07,600
photos. Um that on the top left, this

763
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:09,919
house sits kind of roughly where those

764
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:11,440
structures that are currently on the

765
00:31:09,919 --> 00:31:16,159
property, maybe a little closer to the

766
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:18,799
stream. Um and it is, I think, circa

767
00:31:16,159 --> 00:31:21,120
1880, 1895.

768
00:31:18,799 --> 00:31:24,960
So in 1991,

769
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:27,039
excuse me, 1891, uh much of Oriel was

770
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:30,240
destroyed by fire and then subsequently

771
00:31:27,039 --> 00:31:32,399
rebuilt. Three years later in 1894, a

772
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:35,600
major flood destroyed a bunch of the

773
00:31:32,399 --> 00:31:37,519
town again rebuilt. Um, and then the

774
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:40,559
Saddle Rock in, as I said, was built in

775
00:31:37,519 --> 00:31:43,360
1932. And that picture on the bottom

776
00:31:40,559 --> 00:31:46,480
left with the ice skaters is the inn.

777
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:48,720
And like I said, it burned in 1941.

778
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:51,919
And then again, the construction of

779
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:56,399
Boulder Canyon Drive pretty much kind of

780
00:31:51,919 --> 00:31:59,039
covered what was left of the town site.

781
00:31:56,399 --> 00:32:01,039
All right, just a few more photos. Um

782
00:31:59,039 --> 00:32:03,039
the top left is looking southeast from

783
00:32:01,039 --> 00:32:06,960
above the structures. So you can kind of

784
00:32:03,039 --> 00:32:09,919
see them down in the in the uh hollow

785
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:11,679
there. I guess it's um bottom left is

786
00:32:09,919 --> 00:32:14,159
looking west from the south end of the

787
00:32:11,679 --> 00:32:16,480
property and the top right is looking

788
00:32:14,159 --> 00:32:18,000
south down Boulder Canyon Drive. Um you

789
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:23,519
can see that kind of in the top middle

790
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:26,159
of that photo. Um and Boulder Creek.

791
00:32:23,519 --> 00:32:27,919
So uh not surprisingly staff supports

792
00:32:26,159 --> 00:32:29,840
recommendation to the commissioners for

793
00:32:27,919 --> 00:32:32,559
approval of this acquisition due to the

794
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:35,440
property's historic significant its

795
00:32:32,559 --> 00:32:37,120
adjacency to Bataso open space possible

796
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:39,919
trail connection from Boulder Canyon to

797
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:42,640
Bataso and its numerous comp plan

798
00:32:39,919 --> 00:32:43,600
designations. So I'm happy to answer any

799
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,360
questions.

800
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:47,279
Thank you Tina. That was a great

801
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,399
presentation. Very detailed and the

802
00:32:47,279 --> 00:32:48,799
history part was

803
00:32:48,399 --> 00:32:51,120
fun.

804
00:32:48,799 --> 00:32:53,760
Yeah that's fun part. Yeah. All right

805
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:56,399
post questions. We'll go down to Joan.

806
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:59,200
Um, well, it said that you weren't able

807
00:32:56,399 --> 00:33:02,640
to tell for sure whether there were um

808
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:05,519
was any previous mining and obviously

809
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:08,559
there's not structures related to mining

810
00:33:05,519 --> 00:33:11,279
and no obvious addits or anything, but

811
00:33:08,559 --> 00:33:14,000
is there any way we can be sure well

812
00:33:11,279 --> 00:33:17,360
some assurance that it won't be another

813
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,919
cardinal mess? I mean, you know,

814
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,000
whatever.

815
00:33:17,919 --> 00:33:22,000
Fair question. Um, we will be conducting

816
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:24,960
a phase one environmental assessment of

817
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:27,120
the property and that should um, let us

818
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:29,440
know if there's any mining activity we

819
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,720
should be concerned about. I I don't I

820
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,960
haven't seen any up there. I've been up

821
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:36,640
there a few times. Um, you know, the

822
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:38,640
mill was there to process ore for

823
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:40,080
mining, but I don't think anything was

824
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,760
mined right there. But again, we'll

825
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:44,240
we'll do the phase one.

826
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:45,519
Okay. Well, but that will that be after

827
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:48,159
you purchase it?

828
00:33:45,519 --> 00:33:50,799
No, no, no. We we we um we conduct the

829
00:33:48,159 --> 00:33:52,880
phase one uh prior to closing. And so

830
00:33:50,799 --> 00:33:56,799
built into the purchase agreement are is

831
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:58,960
our ability to address any issues or to

832
00:33:56,799 --> 00:34:02,559
decline to um go through the acquisition

833
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:06,399
if there's something gives us heartburn.

834
00:34:02,559 --> 00:34:08,320
Vicki Vicky Lawrence Posacing

835
00:34:06,399 --> 00:34:09,679
because I grew up in Form Canyon. I know

836
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,280
that road very well. I drive it

837
00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:13,200
regularly. My brother still lives up

838
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,720
there. And I've always wondered about

839
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,720
actually there was a girl that got on

840
00:34:14,720 --> 00:34:19,440
the bus from those houses. Are those

841
00:34:16,720 --> 00:34:20,720
houses going to be remain or are you

842
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:24,720
going to remove them?

843
00:34:20,720 --> 00:34:26,079
Um we don't know yet. Uh staff will

844
00:34:24,720 --> 00:34:27,760
again we're going to do the phase one.

845
00:34:26,079 --> 00:34:31,440
We will do a survey. We will do home

846
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:32,960
inspections and then we will assess what

847
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:36,639
what we want to do with those

848
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:38,800
structures. Um, and depending on what's

849
00:34:36,639 --> 00:34:41,040
ultimately how the property is managed

850
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,320
and what happens on the property, it's

851
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,520
going to take some time for staff to go

852
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,839
through and figure that all out.

853
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:48,399
Okay. Um, I have one other question. My

854
00:34:45,839 --> 00:34:50,639
recollection is is that the water line

855
00:34:48,399 --> 00:34:51,280
from the Batassa water plant goes

856
00:34:50,639 --> 00:34:52,960
through that.

857
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:55,280
There is a there is a waterline easement

858
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:58,640
that I think was on one Well, let me

859
00:34:55,280 --> 00:35:01,040
see. I think it's Let's see. I believe

860
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:03,200
on that bottom left photo, it looks kind

861
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:05,599
of like there's a road there, but I

862
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,960
think that is kind of the Is it the

863
00:35:05,599 --> 00:35:08,960
Silver Creek line?

864
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:12,079
I don't know. It made it made a big scar

865
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,960
back in the late60s, early '7s where

866
00:35:12,079 --> 00:35:15,839
they put it in.

867
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:17,440
Yeah. Um but it's it's covered, but

868
00:35:15,839 --> 00:35:18,800
yeah, you can you can still see sort of

869
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,720
the the slope.

870
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:23,839
So, they just have an easement for that

871
00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:26,880
tore maintain it or potentially enlarge

872
00:35:23,839 --> 00:35:28,480
it. Uh, and there's probably no more

873
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,760
water up there. So, we won't even go

874
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:32,240
there.

875
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,200
Well, easements are typically

876
00:35:32,240 --> 00:35:33,520
set with,

877
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:34,880
right?

878
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,839
So, whatever they can do in that

879
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,520
easement is

880
00:35:35,839 --> 00:35:38,320
so they they could dig things up and

881
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:39,839
whatnot,

882
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:42,320
but they would have to reclaim because

883
00:35:39,839 --> 00:35:43,839
that's standard in in those easements.

884
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,359
Right. Well, fascinating. I'm I'm

885
00:35:43,839 --> 00:35:47,599
thrilled that Boulder County might get

886
00:35:45,359 --> 00:35:48,160
that property.

887
00:35:47,599 --> 00:35:52,160
John

888
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:53,680
John White Posac uh one thing that's

889
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:56,640
really missing from these pictures is

890
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:59,119
that giant power line. Uh yes. Doesn't

891
00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:01,359
that affect a conservation ement? Cuz

892
00:35:59,119 --> 00:36:05,040
when we were going to buy a house near a

893
00:36:01,359 --> 00:36:06,800
power line um that affected seriously

894
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:10,960
affected the price.

895
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:14,000
Uh agreed. Um it it we factored that

896
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:17,359
into the purchase price. Uh it's seven

897
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:18,079
acres. It has a building right. Um, I

898
00:36:17,359 --> 00:36:19,280
think it would be worth

899
00:36:18,079 --> 00:36:19,920
the Tower has a building right.

900
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:20,560
Excuse me.

901
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:21,760
The property

902
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,960
The tower has a building right?

903
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,720
No, no, the property has a building

904
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:27,359
right. So that we value the property as

905
00:36:24,720 --> 00:36:29,920
a whole and it's and it has one building

906
00:36:27,359 --> 00:36:33,280
right. So if somebody were to buy it and

907
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:34,480
want to develop it, they would have to

908
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,240
contend with the fact that there's a

909
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,680
power line going across the property

910
00:36:36,240 --> 00:36:40,320
which would limit where they could put

911
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:42,160
the home. So that was built into our

912
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:44,800
calculations of what the value is.

913
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:46,480
Okay. So yeah, it is it it it does

914
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:46,960
affect value if if that's what you're

915
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,040
asking.

916
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:52,880
Yeah. Thank you,

917
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:55,280
Trace. Uh Trace Baker, POSAC. Um and one

918
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:58,000
of your slides mentioned the pebbles

919
00:36:55,280 --> 00:37:00,960
jumping mouse. Uh do the mice actually

920
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:02,480
live there or is that simply appropriate

921
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,800
habitat for them?

922
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:06,960
Because I am not a wildlife biologist, I

923
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:11,240
can I can tell you what I wrote in my

924
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:11,240
notes in case you guys asked me.

925
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:16,160
Hang on a second. Um, we probably have

926
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:19,359
some uh biologists back here that are

927
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:21,520
going to be cringing. Um, it is areas

928
00:37:19,359 --> 00:37:23,920
are areas of suitable habitat along

929
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:27,920
foothill perennial streams up to 7600

930
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:31,119
ft. Um, and they are known to occupy

931
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:33,119
riparian habitat up to this elevation.

932
00:37:31,119 --> 00:37:34,800
Okay. But they've not been observed on

933
00:37:33,119 --> 00:37:36,720
not not specifically that I know of

934
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,920
there, but that's that's how these

935
00:37:36,720 --> 00:37:39,680
layers work.

936
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,640
that would be where they would be if

937
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:44,480
they were there.

938
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:46,000
Okay. And finally, for um archaeological

939
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:48,400
sensitivity,

940
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:51,119
is that strictly

941
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:54,000
uh from the mining days or is there any

942
00:37:51,119 --> 00:37:58,400
indigenous stuff there?

943
00:37:54,000 --> 00:38:00,880
I don't know about the latter. Um and I

944
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:02,320
my understanding and again I have small

945
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:05,200
notes about the archaeological

946
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:07,599
significance. um that layer the

947
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,720
archaeologically sensitive area are

948
00:38:07,599 --> 00:38:10,160
areas where conservation and

949
00:38:08,720 --> 00:38:11,680
preservation are encouraged because

950
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:15,040
there might be I think cultural

951
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:17,680
resources there. So there are um I know

952
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:21,040
there's some parts of this the old

953
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:22,800
structures from the town site pieces of

954
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,960
those old structures I believe were used

955
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:28,240
to build the structures that are there

956
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:31,119
now. Um, but there was not much left

957
00:38:28,240 --> 00:38:33,920
once Boulder Canyon Drive was I think

958
00:38:31,119 --> 00:38:36,720
they put in 20 feet of

959
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:37,520
fill just covering most of the town.

960
00:38:36,720 --> 00:38:38,000
Okay. Thank you.

961
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,640
Mhm.

962
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,520
Okay. Any more? Yeah. Go ahead,

963
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:45,040
Christine.

964
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:48,320
Um, Christine Johnson post can you

965
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:50,640
explain to me um what the impact of the

966
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:52,079
buildings being nonconforming means?

967
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,800
Does that mean that they need to be

968
00:38:52,079 --> 00:38:55,520
removed?

969
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:58,480
Um, I have notes.

970
00:38:55,520 --> 00:39:00,160
Um, they do not need to be removed.

971
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,359
However, hang on a second. Sorry, I'm

972
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:04,800
going to make you all dizzy while I go

973
00:39:01,359 --> 00:39:08,480
through my uh slides here.

974
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:10,560
Um, so under the code, if they they're

975
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:13,520
non-conforming because they were there

976
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:15,280
prior to when the code established one

977
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:19,359
right for the property. So, if somebody

978
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:21,440
were to want to build a new residence,

979
00:39:19,359 --> 00:39:24,079
they would have to um build outside the

980
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:26,000
floodway because the structures existing

981
00:39:24,079 --> 00:39:28,800
now are in the floodway. And shockingly,

982
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:30,560
this property did not get flooded in the

983
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,839
it did not. I I asked over and over.

984
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:34,320
He's like, "Nope."

985
00:39:31,839 --> 00:39:35,680
Anyway, it is in the floodway. So the

986
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,680
existing buildings would need to be

987
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,880
recatategorized as historic units

988
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,560
because there is that historic

989
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:42,880
preservation conservation easement on

990
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:46,079
the property and go through a limited

991
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:49,359
impact special review process.

992
00:39:46,079 --> 00:39:50,720
And so only one house would you could

993
00:39:49,359 --> 00:39:52,640
build a new residence but you'd have to

994
00:39:50,720 --> 00:39:54,160
get the existing ones categorized as

995
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:58,079
such.

996
00:39:54,160 --> 00:40:00,400
Right. Um, and then this might be too

997
00:39:58,079 --> 00:40:04,800
speculative a question, but I'm I'm

998
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:07,599
wondering about um the value of the the

999
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:11,040
property to wildlife um being so close

1000
00:40:07,599 --> 00:40:15,599
to um especially um Boulder Canyon

1001
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:18,240
Drive. Um and if that if it's of lower

1002
00:40:15,599 --> 00:40:20,960
value to wildlife because of the the

1003
00:40:18,240 --> 00:40:22,240
nearby traffic, you know, I I don't know

1004
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:25,280
the answer to that question. And I mean

1005
00:40:22,240 --> 00:40:28,320
you, you know, it it has all those

1006
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:30,400
elements that I described and I honestly

1007
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:32,079
don't know if those elements take into

1008
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:35,280
account roadways cuz you know it just

1009
00:40:32,079 --> 00:40:36,880
kind of goes blob right on top. So I I I

1010
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,800
don't know the answer to that.

1011
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,119
Can I make a comment to that?

1012
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:40,960
Sure.

1013
00:40:39,119 --> 00:40:43,839
Cuz when you go to that look at that

1014
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:46,480
property, there's a big cliff where the

1015
00:40:43,839 --> 00:40:49,520
side was cut aside. So the wildlife

1016
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:52,480
would be way above the the road. Well,

1017
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:54,560
and the property itself is down low.

1018
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:57,680
Um, and I think it it's it would be

1019
00:40:54,560 --> 00:41:00,000
pretty hard to get to the road from the

1020
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:02,000
property. And again, the other side of

1021
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:04,079
the roads up high. So,

1022
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:06,079
yeah, I don't I don't know the answer.

1023
00:41:04,079 --> 00:41:08,079
On the other hand, being very familiar

1024
00:41:06,079 --> 00:41:10,480
with the area in general, those houses

1025
00:41:08,079 --> 00:41:12,079
are when they came in and built Boulder

1026
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:15,200
Canyon, they raised it way up, and these

1027
00:41:12,079 --> 00:41:18,319
houses are way below Boulder Canyon, and

1028
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:20,000
there's quite a large concrete bridge

1029
00:41:18,319 --> 00:41:23,599
for Four Mile Canyon to go through. So,

1030
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:25,760
in a sense, there is some animal

1031
00:41:23,599 --> 00:41:28,400
accessibility under Boulder Canyon

1032
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:29,440
there, for whatever it's worth. I mean,

1033
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:33,200
I don't have a camera there. I don't

1034
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:33,839
know how much happens there.

1035
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:37,440
Joan

1036
00:41:33,839 --> 00:41:40,640
Joan Lutz Posac I agree. Um there's that

1037
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:44,160
big box cover culvert so it would be

1038
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:48,160
convenient for maybe like amphibians to

1039
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:51,599
use. Um but my other thing is a comment

1040
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:56,400
which is it was described as a possible

1041
00:41:51,599 --> 00:41:58,720
additional uh trail head for Bataso but

1042
00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:01,520
uh it although it's quite accessible to

1043
00:41:58,720 --> 00:42:04,240
people on a bike it would seem that

1044
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:06,720
hikers would want to park somewhere and

1045
00:42:04,240 --> 00:42:10,880
although they have the current owners

1046
00:42:06,720 --> 00:42:13,119
have um access to their units. I just

1047
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:15,359
wonder, it's one thing to have a few

1048
00:42:13,119 --> 00:42:18,800
residential people going in and out, but

1049
00:42:15,359 --> 00:42:22,480
another to have um you know, public

1050
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:25,440
trail head users coming out onto a curvy

1051
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:28,960
section of Boulder Canyon. But you know,

1052
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:32,160
like the Benjamin Loop Trail doesn't

1053
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:34,240
really have a and people park along the

1054
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:35,839
road. Although again, I don't know that

1055
00:42:34,240 --> 00:42:37,839
there there didn't seem to be a lot of

1056
00:42:35,839 --> 00:42:39,440
shoulder in that area.

1057
00:42:37,839 --> 00:42:39,680
Big parking. There's a parking lot right

1058
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,520
across

1059
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:43,280
huge parking on two sides there.

1060
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:45,839
I I know there's parking on the other

1061
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:49,440
side, but is that you know on the sort

1062
00:42:45,839 --> 00:42:51,839
of the northeast corner, but is that

1063
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:53,359
public parking or does somebody own

1064
00:42:51,839 --> 00:42:53,839
that?

1065
00:42:53,359 --> 00:42:55,520
I mean,

1066
00:42:53,839 --> 00:42:56,240
let's let's hear from Tina. Can you

1067
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,079
answer that?

1068
00:42:56,240 --> 00:42:59,440
Well, you mean that that lot to the I

1069
00:42:58,079 --> 00:43:00,000
guess to the east on the other side of

1070
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,800
four mile,

1071
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,200
right? Um I don't know. Was that what's

1072
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,880
that?

1073
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:08,400
There's also one south across B.

1074
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:10,720
There's also one across B. Yeah, that hu

1075
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:14,400
I I think it's public. I I don't know.

1076
00:43:10,720 --> 00:43:16,640
And I guess to address the trail head um

1077
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:20,240
comment, I don't know that it's going to

1078
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:22,880
be a trail head. I could Yeah, I there's

1079
00:43:20,240 --> 00:43:25,280
staff's going to have to figure out the

1080
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:27,920
most appropriate use if if there is a

1081
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:31,200
trail connection made. What would happen

1082
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:32,800
visav parking or Yeah, I don't know.

1083
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:34,160
That's a lot a lot of things to figure

1084
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:36,480
out. We just have to

1085
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:38,400
get the property first. Okay, Christine,

1086
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:41,440
did you still have the floor?

1087
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:44,480
I wanted to comment that there is um an

1088
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:47,680
existing trail connection from Boulder

1089
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:50,960
Canyon, the Bataso link that doesn't

1090
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:51,680
have a whole lot of parking and is um

1091
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:54,720
bikes.

1092
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:56,880
Yeah. Well, it's and it's also steep and

1093
00:43:54,720 --> 00:44:00,240
but yeah.

1094
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:03,680
Anyway, no more questions. Okay, how

1095
00:44:00,240 --> 00:44:06,000
about Carol? Um, Carol Berley Poszak.

1096
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:08,079
Um, my question is, is this one of those

1097
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:10,000
properties that your department's had

1098
00:44:08,079 --> 00:44:10,720
its eye on for a long time?

1099
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,800
Yes.

1100
00:44:10,720 --> 00:44:15,200
Okay. Because this seems like just

1101
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:19,040
exactly what the program is about.

1102
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:20,400
Yeah. It's been on our list for I think

1103
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:22,400
decades at least.

1104
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,920
Okay. Okay. Good. That's what I thought.

1105
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,280
Yeah. Thank you.

1106
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:28,000
Okay. Thank you, Derek.

1107
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:29,760
Derek Turner. Um, and I I wonder about

1108
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:32,480
if part of the reason it's some been on

1109
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:34,880
the list, you already have a a road bed

1110
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:37,200
that would be, you know, constructing a

1111
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:38,319
trail is you've already have a trail.

1112
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:40,880
I think that helps.

1113
00:44:38,319 --> 00:44:41,520
Yeah. Um, are people living in the

1114
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:42,400
houses?

1115
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:45,920
Yes.

1116
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:48,240
So, it's currently housing.

1117
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:49,760
One person is living in one house. I

1118
00:44:48,240 --> 00:44:50,319
think the other house is not lived in

1119
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:51,599
right now.

1120
00:44:50,319 --> 00:44:55,040
Okay.

1121
00:44:51,599 --> 00:44:56,960
Um, has there been any discussion about

1122
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:59,359
continuing their lease or

1123
00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:01,760
No. No. No.

1124
00:44:59,359 --> 00:45:04,160
Um, and then just another, you know, I

1125
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:05,680
feel like, especially,

1126
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,359
notwithstanding, this has been a high

1127
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:10,480
priority. I feel like, you know, all of

1128
00:45:07,359 --> 00:45:13,119
these, uh, decisions to purchase really

1129
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:16,240
helps with context. How much money do

1130
00:45:13,119 --> 00:45:18,240
you have left in the fund? How are sales

1131
00:45:16,240 --> 00:45:20,240
tax doing this year? are, you know, is

1132
00:45:18,240 --> 00:45:22,400
there any concern about collections

1133
00:45:20,240 --> 00:45:24,880
versus what you budgeted? So, I continue

1134
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:27,119
to, you know, really I think these

1135
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:28,640
decisions would be really helpful to see

1136
00:45:27,119 --> 00:45:31,040
here's our fund balance. We've got $15

1137
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:32,000
million. 1.5 is um

1138
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:34,400
10%.

1139
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:35,760
Right. And sales tax this year. Maybe

1140
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,920
we're a little bit down. I know a lot of

1141
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:40,880
communities are down, but it's robust.

1142
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:43,520
We have another election coming up. So,

1143
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:46,480
um I I still think that that would be

1144
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:48,160
really uh helpful context for every one

1145
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:50,319
of these purchases where you're

1146
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:50,800
especially for a million and a half. So,

1147
00:45:50,319 --> 00:45:53,280
thanks.

1148
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:58,800
I can tell you um this won't close till

1149
00:45:53,280 --> 00:46:01,839
next year. Um so, and I I don't know

1150
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:04,560
what the sales tax money gets allocated

1151
00:46:01,839 --> 00:46:06,240
based on our expected acquisitions or

1152
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:08,960
projected acquisitions. I don't know

1153
00:46:06,240 --> 00:46:11,359
what the 2026 allocation looks like. I

1154
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:13,200
think it's similar to 2025 which was

1155
00:46:11,359 --> 00:46:15,760
about 20 million I think when it was all

1156
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:18,160
said and done. Um I don't know that for

1157
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:20,960
sure. I don't I don't my staff don't get

1158
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:23,040
to see those numbers. Um but I do know

1159
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:24,880
that when we bring these to you we've

1160
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:29,000
we've looked at all that and there is

1161
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:29,000
money in the fund to pay for it.

1162
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:35,119
Okay. Anybody else? Okay. I got a couple

1163
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:37,200
things. one is I'll I'll echo what Derek

1164
00:46:35,119 --> 00:46:39,440
said and I think that we've been asking

1165
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:41,920
for that for quite a while and Janice

1166
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:44,240
gave a great presentation and you know

1167
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:46,160
told us about a lot of what the money is

1168
00:46:44,240 --> 00:46:48,480
and and how it all works and that's

1169
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:51,839
great but it would be nice on all of

1170
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:54,560
these to have some footnotes with what

1171
00:46:51,839 --> 00:46:57,359
the current money is and how what effect

1172
00:46:54,560 --> 00:47:00,400
it this will have on what's left. So I

1173
00:46:57,359 --> 00:47:03,520
agree with Carol and Derek on that too.

1174
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:05,680
Um, so then the other thing I wanted to

1175
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:07,359
ask and this is I mean this property is

1176
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:10,560
really strategic and so I'm going to go

1177
00:47:07,359 --> 00:47:12,240
a little into some general process

1178
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:15,040
questions not about this property

1179
00:47:12,240 --> 00:47:16,960
necessarily but the phase one I've heard

1180
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:19,920
that mentioned a lot of times when

1181
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:22,720
purchases come to us um and we never

1182
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:24,160
hear I mean from what I can tell is

1183
00:47:22,720 --> 00:47:26,560
probably everything that we've

1184
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:28,560
recommended and the commissioners agreed

1185
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:30,400
to purchase

1186
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:33,680
has there ever been a phase one that

1187
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:36,480
has, you know, you found something after

1188
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:38,400
we've all approved it and the property

1189
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:40,880
purchase didn't go through and then

1190
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:43,119
would you come back and let us know if

1191
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:46,480
that happened?

1192
00:47:43,119 --> 00:47:48,079
First question, I not to my knowledge.

1193
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:51,920
Um

1194
00:47:48,079 --> 00:47:55,839
I I don't know. I've been at parks

1195
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:57,200
forever, so but as far as I know, um

1196
00:47:55,839 --> 00:48:00,240
that hasn't happened since I've been

1197
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:02,000
there. And would we let you know? Oh, so

1198
00:48:00,240 --> 00:48:03,280
if you had recommended approval, we do

1199
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,800
the phase one and there's we're like,

1200
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:07,280
whoa, we're not doing it. We certainly

1201
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:08,960
could let you know. Um because we

1202
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:10,720
wouldn't bring we wouldn't bring it to,

1203
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:12,319
you know, if we decided we were going to

1204
00:48:10,720 --> 00:48:13,359
um decline to pursue the acquisition,

1205
00:48:12,319 --> 00:48:15,440
then we wouldn't

1206
00:48:13,359 --> 00:48:17,200
bring it on to the commissioners and so

1207
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,800
we would let you know and I can put a

1208
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:21,680
note in our procedures to make sure that

1209
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:25,920
that's done in the unlikely event we

1210
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:27,920
have a phase one that has us back out.

1211
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:29,200
Okay. So, do you do the phase one before

1212
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:32,640
it goes to the commissioners?

1213
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:34,800
It depends. We we try it. We have to get

1214
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:37,760
a contract out and then we have to

1215
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:39,359
schedule it and if it's in the winter,

1216
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,960
we can't do phase ones when there's snow

1217
00:48:39,359 --> 00:48:41,760
on the ground because Okay.

1218
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,680
So, yeah,

1219
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:45,760
we try to get them done the moment we're

1220
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:48,559
under we have a letter of intent, we try

1221
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:50,800
to start getting the phase one

1222
00:48:48,559 --> 00:48:53,359
scheduled. It just depends on how busy

1223
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:55,440
the consultants are. So, in a perfect

1224
00:48:53,359 --> 00:48:57,680
world, yes. Um, but it doesn't always

1225
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:59,280
happen. Okay. All right. Thanks, Tina.

1226
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:02,000
Yeah, that was probably an unexpected

1227
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:05,119
question you didn't have notes for.

1228
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:06,880
Okay. Uh, so I think POSAC, we've had

1229
00:49:05,119 --> 00:49:08,640
all our questions. Um, how about the

1230
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:10,880
public? Do we have anybody here that

1231
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:12,720
wants to comment?

1232
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:14,319
Yes, sir. If

1233
00:49:12,720 --> 00:49:17,520
did you sign up?

1234
00:49:14,319 --> 00:49:19,920
Okay, come on up. Um, and state your

1235
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:21,359
name and roughly where you live in the

1236
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:21,920
county. Don't give us your exact

1237
00:49:21,359 --> 00:49:24,480
address.

1238
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:26,000
That's okay. I live across the street

1239
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:28,640
from this project.

1240
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:30,720
So, my name is Patrick Oor. I live

1241
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:32,480
That's a great picture right there. Uh,

1242
00:49:30,720 --> 00:49:34,240
I just came off the

1243
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:35,359
I just left the historic Boulder

1244
00:49:34,240 --> 00:49:37,040
meeting, as a matter of fact, and I

1245
00:49:35,359 --> 00:49:39,760
brought it up at this meeting. That

1246
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:42,559
picture there represents a significant

1247
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:45,280
history of of Boulder. Uh, 6 months ago,

1248
00:49:42,559 --> 00:49:48,160
I was on uh Colorado Public Radio

1249
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:51,119
talking about the Switzerland Trail and

1250
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:52,800
uh where this property is is you had

1251
00:49:51,119 --> 00:49:54,960
mentioned it. It's the existing grade

1252
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:56,400
because when they put up the the street,

1253
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:58,720
they they lifted it. As a matter of

1254
00:49:56,400 --> 00:50:00,559
fact, the bottom of my property, if

1255
00:49:58,720 --> 00:50:03,599
you're familiar with it in the the book

1256
00:50:00,559 --> 00:50:05,680
itself, it's called Profile Rock and uh

1257
00:50:03,599 --> 00:50:08,720
where they it's a it's a picture of the

1258
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:11,359
from the 1900 time period. And when they

1259
00:50:08,720 --> 00:50:13,760
raised the street, they knocked off the

1260
00:50:11,359 --> 00:50:16,240
chin of the the chief. As far as I'm

1261
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:18,559
concerned, uh three things. Number one,

1262
00:50:16,240 --> 00:50:23,280
I think this this property is contiguous

1263
00:50:18,559 --> 00:50:25,280
to Passo. Um I I bought my property

1264
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:27,599
about 12 13 years ago. I just built my

1265
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:30,079
house and the reason I bought it, it was

1266
00:50:27,599 --> 00:50:32,559
the end of the Boulder Trail and so now

1267
00:50:30,079 --> 00:50:34,319
they've continued it up to Poorman and I

1268
00:50:32,559 --> 00:50:36,800
think that's a terrific access but the

1269
00:50:34,319 --> 00:50:40,240
people you mentioned uh the connection

1270
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:42,640
from Boulder Canyon up to Paso, that's a

1271
00:50:40,240 --> 00:50:45,040
very dangerous little spot and I could

1272
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:47,200
see uh the elevation change from where

1273
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:50,640
this property is up to Paso is probably

1274
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:52,240
about 300 to 350 ft. And one of the

1275
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:53,839
interesting people is I just found out

1276
00:50:52,240 --> 00:50:56,880
the other day one of the properties

1277
00:50:53,839 --> 00:51:00,160
adjacent to this uh the original person

1278
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:02,480
that started Soldier of Fortune uh lived

1279
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:04,640
in that house. So adjacent to this

1280
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:06,079
property uh the PBO's mouse it's going

1281
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:08,000
to be on anything that's next to the

1282
00:51:06,079 --> 00:51:10,400
creek. I had to deal with it and my

1283
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:11,920
house is 100 ft above the creek and it's

1284
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:17,440
usually within two or three feet of the

1285
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:20,000
creek itself. um wildlife. Uh I've had

1286
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:21,920
eight bears on my property this this in

1287
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:24,720
the last 6 months. I have a security

1288
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:27,520
system and it's it's very interesting.

1289
00:51:24,720 --> 00:51:30,880
Uh the creek itself is an essential

1290
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:33,040
essential component of the contiguous um

1291
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:35,119
access for the bears. They come down my

1292
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:38,480
property and they also come down uh

1293
00:51:35,119 --> 00:51:40,720
Bataso and down canyon whatever the

1294
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:42,720
street is right there. So I'm here to

1295
00:51:40,720 --> 00:51:46,000
support this. I think is a really good

1296
00:51:42,720 --> 00:51:48,559
strategic addition to the community and

1297
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:50,720
if you don't get it now, you never will.

1298
00:51:48,559 --> 00:51:52,559
So, thank you.

1299
00:51:50,720 --> 00:51:55,359
Thank you for those comments. Much

1300
00:51:52,559 --> 00:51:58,000
appreciated. Anybody else in the room?

1301
00:51:55,359 --> 00:52:01,040
Okay, it looks like Wendy's want. You're

1302
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:04,040
up. State your name. You have three

1303
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:04,040
minutes.

1304
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:08,559
Good evening. My name is Wendyu and I'm

1305
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:10,480
the executive director of the Boulder

1306
00:52:08,559 --> 00:52:12,559
Mountain Bike Alliance. I want to

1307
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:14,480
express BMA's strong support for parks

1308
00:52:12,559 --> 00:52:16,720
and open space acquiring the Oriel

1309
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:18,480
property and doing so with the clear

1310
00:52:16,720 --> 00:52:21,359
intent to complete the trail connection

1311
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:23,280
from Boulder Canyon Trail to Bataso.

1312
00:52:21,359 --> 00:52:25,520
Passo is the closest mountain trail

1313
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:27,599
system to Boulder that's open to bikes

1314
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:30,400
just 2 and 1/2 miles from here as the

1315
00:52:27,599 --> 00:52:32,000
crow flies. That accessibility combined

1316
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:34,559
with great terrain makes it one of the

1317
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:36,400
county's most popular trail systems.

1318
00:52:34,559 --> 00:52:39,760
Meanwhile, the data shows demand has

1319
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:41,920
only grown. According to the 2022

1320
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:43,520
visitor survey, Bataso had the highest

1321
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:46,960
percentage of visitors who reported

1322
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:49,280
biking as their primary activity, 52%

1323
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:51,119
overall and 71% if you exclude

1324
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:53,520
Wednesdays and Saturdays when bikes

1325
00:52:51,119 --> 00:52:55,520
aren't allowed. It was also the most

1326
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:57,359
crowded property in the county with

1327
00:52:55,520 --> 00:53:00,000
nearly one in four visitors feeling

1328
00:52:57,359 --> 00:53:01,920
crowded at the trail head.

1329
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:03,920
More than a decade ago, Boulder County

1330
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:06,079
recognized the need for a safer Boulder

1331
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:08,559
to Bataso connection via trail instead

1332
00:53:06,079 --> 00:53:10,960
of the highway. The original plan in the

1333
00:53:08,559 --> 00:53:13,440
2010s was to extend the Boulder Canyon

1334
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:17,119
Trail all the way to the Bataso link

1335
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:19,040
trail. When Highway 119 flood repairs

1336
00:53:17,119 --> 00:53:21,359
began, the county bundled the trail

1337
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:23,920
extension with SE DOT's work, but the

1338
00:53:21,359 --> 00:53:26,240
budget limitations eliminated a planned

1339
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:30,240
third bike underpass, so the extension

1340
00:53:26,240 --> 00:53:32,960
stopped at Chapman Drive.

1341
00:53:30,240 --> 00:53:35,280
In 2016, county staff studied possible

1342
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:37,440
new trail options from Boulder Canyon to

1343
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:39,040
Picasso and found the options quote

1344
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:41,920
unpalatable.

1345
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:44,160
One concept included over 400 stairs to

1346
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:46,800
climb the canyon wall. The project was

1347
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:49,839
shelved until SOT completed its work in

1348
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:51,599
2021. During that time, staff changes

1349
00:53:49,839 --> 00:53:54,400
and department restructuring left the

1350
00:53:51,599 --> 00:53:57,280
idea without a champion and it stalled.

1351
00:53:54,400 --> 00:54:00,160
The Orid Oradel property changes that

1352
00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:03,119
this parcel sits exactly where the 2009

1353
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:05,599
plan identified a quote feasible switch

1354
00:54:03,119 --> 00:54:08,240
backing trail connection from Boulder

1355
00:54:05,599 --> 00:54:10,079
Canyon Trail up to the Canyon Loop. By

1356
00:54:08,240 --> 00:54:11,920
acquiring this property with the intent

1357
00:54:10,079 --> 00:54:14,079
to complete this link, the county can

1358
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:17,040
finally create a safe carfree route to

1359
00:54:14,079 --> 00:54:18,800
Picasso and fix the longstanding access

1360
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:21,280
gap.

1361
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:23,440
And with thoughtful design, we can go

1362
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:25,599
further. We can create a new trail that

1363
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:27,760
has a grade friendly

1364
00:54:25,599 --> 00:54:30,000
uh grade friendly for climbing bikes and

1365
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:32,720
tied into the Bataso link trail to make

1366
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:35,760
a 2.5 mile single track loop that can be

1367
00:54:32,720 --> 00:54:38,079
open to bikes 7 days a week. This

1368
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:40,079
acquisition and planning for a trail

1369
00:54:38,079 --> 00:54:42,319
desired by both staff and the community

1370
00:54:40,079 --> 00:54:44,559
would improve safety, reduce car trips

1371
00:54:42,319 --> 00:54:47,440
and crowding, and bring a long needed

1372
00:54:44,559 --> 00:54:49,280
connection to life. This is exactly the

1373
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:51,520
kind of project Boulder County voters

1374
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:54,400
support. One that balances conservation

1375
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:56,480
recreation in a responsible way. I urge

1376
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:58,400
you to acquire the Oridel property with

1377
00:54:56,480 --> 00:55:00,880
the intent of completing the missing

1378
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:02,960
connection from Boulder to Batasa. Thank

1379
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:06,160
you.

1380
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:09,280
Thank you Wendy for those comments. Um

1381
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:11,440
anybody else in the room? Seeing no one.

1382
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:13,680
How about online? Nick, do we have

1383
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:15,680
anybody that wants to comment? I'll give

1384
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:19,960
a second for anybody online who wants to

1385
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:19,960
make comment to raise your hand.

1386
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:26,240
I don't see any hands raised.

1387
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:28,079
Okay. Thank you. So, POSAC, any

1388
00:55:26,240 --> 00:55:31,839
discussion? Any more discussion or

1389
00:55:28,079 --> 00:55:34,000
questions before we ask for a motion?

1390
00:55:31,839 --> 00:55:35,760
All right. Oh, Joan,

1391
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:38,079
I was just thinking that because it is

1392
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:42,800
at the con near the confluence of two

1393
00:55:38,079 --> 00:55:46,079
creeks, four mile and Boulder, um that

1394
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:48,880
it it might be a a place where there's

1395
00:55:46,079 --> 00:55:51,119
some Native American history, which

1396
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:54,160
would be interesting.

1397
00:55:51,119 --> 00:55:58,079
That's what we talked about.

1398
00:55:54,160 --> 00:56:00,319
Yeah. Thank you. Anybody else?

1399
00:55:58,079 --> 00:56:02,720
All right. So, how about does anyone

1400
00:56:00,319 --> 00:56:05,760
want to make a motion

1401
00:56:02,720 --> 00:56:08,319
to approve

1402
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:09,839
the project as described above or as

1403
00:56:08,319 --> 00:56:11,760
further described by staff in their

1404
00:56:09,839 --> 00:56:13,440
presentation?

1405
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:14,559
I will make that motion.

1406
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:16,079
All right, how about a second?

1407
00:56:14,559 --> 00:56:17,839
Trace Baker second.

1408
00:56:16,079 --> 00:56:22,400
So, we got Derek making the motion and

1409
00:56:17,839 --> 00:56:22,960
Trey second. So, all those in favor say

1410
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:24,559
I.

1411
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:27,760
I. I.

1412
00:56:24,559 --> 00:56:30,640
Anyone oppose say no. All right, it

1413
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:32,079
passes unanimously. Thank you.

1414
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:33,760
Great. Thanks.

1415
00:56:32,079 --> 00:56:34,559
It looks like Tina, don't go anywhere.

1416
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:35,280
You're up again.

1417
00:56:34,559 --> 00:56:38,640
I know, right?

1418
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:40,319
You got one more from both of us. Let's

1419
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:41,839
And this is the pocket property up there

1420
00:56:40,319 --> 00:56:42,480
towards Lions.

1421
00:56:41,839 --> 00:56:43,760
Yes.

1422
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:44,559
And Cmax.

1423
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:47,680
You got it.

1424
00:56:44,559 --> 00:56:49,839
Can I just Is pocket a proper noun or is

1425
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:52,160
that just a description? Is it the Mr.

1426
00:56:49,839 --> 00:56:56,720
Pocket? It

1427
00:56:52,160 --> 00:57:00,079
Hot Pockets. Um, no. It's

1428
00:56:56,720 --> 00:57:00,319
We It was It's a little property, so we

1429
00:57:00,079 --> 00:57:02,000
just

1430
00:57:00,319 --> 00:57:03,200
Oh, it's okay. I just wanted

1431
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:06,079
fits in your pocket

1432
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:08,559
kind of. No, that was our thinking.

1433
00:57:06,079 --> 00:57:10,559
Well, or Odell was named after someone

1434
00:57:08,559 --> 00:57:11,839
else.

1435
00:57:10,559 --> 00:57:14,480
I'm just waiting for my

1436
00:57:11,839 --> 00:57:15,280
Don't put us presentation to

1437
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:16,640
Don't let us

1438
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:18,160
get up there.

1439
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:22,839
Next time I'll separate.

1440
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:22,839
That happens to me all the time. Okay.

1441
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:32,480
It's up there.

1442
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:34,160
It is.

1443
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:34,559
You might need to unplug and plug in

1444
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:37,559
again.

1445
00:57:34,559 --> 00:57:37,559
Okay.

1446
00:57:39,359 --> 00:57:44,359
Oh, my computer didn't like that. Okay.

1447
00:57:44,559 --> 00:57:47,960
Start continues.

1448
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:57,160
Try it one more time.

1449
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:57,160
Okay.

1450
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:10,400
So much better.

1451
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:12,400
I know, right? Amazing presentation.

1452
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:15,200
What's that? I didn't do I mean, it's

1453
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:17,520
the same thing I had on before.

1454
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:21,240
Do you want a mouse? Because it touch

1455
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:21,240
pets people.

1456
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:25,839
Oh, thank you.

1457
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:27,440
There it is. Not you, Nick. It was me.

1458
00:58:25,839 --> 00:58:29,359
Okay.

1459
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:32,400
All right.

1460
00:58:29,359 --> 00:58:35,599
Tina Burkhard, Parks and Open Space. Um,

1461
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:38,559
my second item is the pocket property.

1462
00:58:35,599 --> 00:58:41,200
Um, we are proposing fee acquisition of

1463
00:58:38,559 --> 00:58:44,079
this property. This one, like you said,

1464
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:45,680
is just east of um about 3 miles east of

1465
00:58:44,079 --> 00:58:49,760
Lions near the intersection of Highway

1466
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:52,480
66 and North 53rd.

1467
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:55,119
So, the property is approximately 1.21

1468
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:57,920
acres and it's adjacent to um our

1469
00:58:55,119 --> 00:59:01,440
Montgomery, the county's Montgomery and

1470
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:05,280
Western Mobile um open space properties.

1471
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:09,119
It is owned by Tom Thomas

1472
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:11,599
and like I said, it's 1.21 acres and uh

1473
00:59:09,119 --> 00:59:13,440
the we're proposing to purchase it for

1474
00:59:11,599 --> 00:59:15,920
$10,500.

1475
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:19,280
Uh this map shows you um its proximity

1476
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:20,799
to those two open space properties. Um,

1477
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:22,559
it is encumbered by a conservation

1478
00:59:20,799 --> 00:59:24,559
easement prohibiting any residential

1479
00:59:22,559 --> 00:59:26,400
development. And this conservation

1480
00:59:24,559 --> 00:59:29,200
easement was conveyed to the county in

1481
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:31,440
2013 as part of a land use process in

1482
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:34,559
exchange for increased density on the

1483
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:37,280
parcel to the north across the highway.

1484
00:59:34,559 --> 00:59:39,839
So the the pocket property is vacant and

1485
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:41,520
unbuildable. Upon fee acquisition of the

1486
00:59:39,839 --> 00:59:45,359
property, the conservation easement will

1487
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:47,119
merge with the fee interest. Here's a

1488
00:59:45,359 --> 00:59:49,680
zoomed in view and you can see the

1489
00:59:47,119 --> 00:59:51,200
property is biseected by the uh

1490
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:53,119
railroad.

1491
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:55,520
Um it is bordered on two sides by county

1492
00:59:53,119 --> 00:59:57,119
open space. As I mentioned, the

1493
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:59,200
northeastern part of the property is

1494
00:59:57,119 --> 01:00:01,200
adjacent to a privately owned parcel

1495
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:03,760
also encumbered by a county conservation

1496
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:06,400
easement. Uh following acquisition of

1497
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:08,079
the pocket property, staff will explore

1498
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:10,240
conveying the northeastern portion of

1499
01:00:08,079 --> 01:00:12,319
the property to the adjacent land owner

1500
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:14,960
and securing a new conservation easement

1501
01:00:12,319 --> 01:00:16,799
across the larger parcel. This will

1502
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:19,280
simplify ownership structure and

1503
01:00:16,799 --> 01:00:21,040
monitoring obl obligations by county

1504
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:24,040
staff.

1505
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:24,040
Second,

1506
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:29,599
this is a view looking southeast to the

1507
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:32,160
adjacent property.

1508
01:00:29,599 --> 01:00:35,280
Uh here's a view looking southwest or

1509
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:37,920
the county's open space properties.

1510
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:41,359
And um I'm going to show some comp plan

1511
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:43,599
designation slides.

1512
01:00:41,359 --> 01:00:45,599
So on this slide, this uh pink purple

1513
01:00:43,599 --> 01:00:50,240
overlay indicates a St. Brain corridor

1514
01:00:45,599 --> 01:00:51,920
critical wildlife habitat element.

1515
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:53,839
On this slide, the bright yellow overlay

1516
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:55,680
on this map indicates the entire parcel

1517
01:00:53,839 --> 01:00:59,599
is also Prebble's jumping mouse

1518
01:00:55,680 --> 01:01:01,839
conservation area zone one in which this

1519
01:00:59,599 --> 01:01:03,520
area is in which it uh the mouse is

1520
01:01:01,839 --> 01:01:05,280
known to occur, including adjacent

1521
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:08,280
habitat patches that are likely to be

1522
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:08,280
occupied.

1523
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:12,319
It's kind of hard to see. Oh, you can

1524
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:14,240
see it better up here. Um the purple

1525
01:01:12,319 --> 01:01:15,920
hatching shows the riparian areas. All

1526
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:18,480
of the southwestern piece is in the

1527
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:20,559
riparian area and that's St. Ring Creek

1528
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:22,400
there on the bottom left of the slide

1529
01:01:20,559 --> 01:01:24,559
and I think the layers are a little bit

1530
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:28,280
off that the corner of the property gets

1531
01:01:24,559 --> 01:01:28,280
pretty close to the creek.

1532
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:34,240
Um lastly, the subtle yellow shading

1533
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:35,760
across the whole thing um indicates

1534
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:38,240
significant agricultural land of

1535
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:40,160
statewide importance and the view

1536
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:44,880
protection or corridor element is

1537
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:47,440
present due to highway 66 to the north.

1538
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:50,319
So staff uh supports this recommendation

1539
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:53,119
to um the county commissioners to uh

1540
01:01:50,319 --> 01:01:56,240
acquire this parcel largely because it

1541
01:01:53,119 --> 01:01:59,760
simplifies land management and um eases

1542
01:01:56,240 --> 01:02:02,480
the monitoring obligations for staff.

1543
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:04,720
Happy to answer any questions.

1544
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:05,760
Thank you Tina. So we got any questions?

1545
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:07,119
Derek, it looks like

1546
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:09,280
Derek Turner Posac could you tell me

1547
01:02:07,119 --> 01:02:10,960
more about that? How does it simplify?

1548
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:15,119
So let me I'm going to go back here.

1549
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:18,160
Well any I guess this is good. Um, so

1550
01:02:15,119 --> 01:02:21,440
for one, staff is really interested in

1551
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:23,359
the south western the little piece of

1552
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:25,920
the triangle there because of its

1553
01:02:23,359 --> 01:02:28,480
adjacency to the creek and it's also

1554
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:30,240
adjacent to our existing open space. So

1555
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:31,680
that could that management of that piece

1556
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:35,599
could be wrapped into management of the

1557
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:39,359
existing open space. Um, as I mentioned,

1558
01:02:35,599 --> 01:02:41,599
we will explore trying to um sell the

1559
01:02:39,359 --> 01:02:43,680
top parcel to the adjacent land owner

1560
01:02:41,599 --> 01:02:46,559
and get a larger conservation easement

1561
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:48,559
over that parcel to the east and that

1562
01:02:46,559 --> 01:02:50,640
top piece. And then that would be one

1563
01:02:48,559 --> 01:02:54,240
conservation easement, one monitoring

1564
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:55,599
visit. And it's it just this way staff

1565
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:58,000
won't have to go out and monitor two

1566
01:02:55,599 --> 01:03:00,000
separate conservation easements. I'll

1567
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:01,920
note that when I mentioned that this was

1568
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:04,640
this conservation easement was conveyed

1569
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:06,799
as part of a regulatory process, what

1570
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:09,760
that ultimately resulted in is that this

1571
01:03:06,799 --> 01:03:12,000
piece is not owned by the same people

1572
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:14,240
that own the property to the north and

1573
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:16,000
that that ends up with it's sort of an

1574
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:19,920
orphan conservation easement with an

1575
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:21,280
absentee land owner. So, it was acquired

1576
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:25,520
by the current owner through a

1577
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:28,319
treasurer's deed. And I think if

1578
01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:30,079
it's a parcel of land that that it's

1579
01:03:28,319 --> 01:03:32,240
difficult because it's so small, you

1580
01:03:30,079 --> 01:03:34,400
can't do anything on it, farm on it or

1581
01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:37,039
anything. So it's tough for a landowner

1582
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:39,520
to want to invest any care and

1583
01:03:37,039 --> 01:03:41,440
stewarding of the property which then

1584
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:43,039
when our monitors go out and there stuff

1585
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:46,559
needs to be done, it takes a lot of time

1586
01:03:43,039 --> 01:03:49,119
to, you know, address issues because

1587
01:03:46,559 --> 01:03:51,200
nobody's out there. So then that would

1588
01:03:49,119 --> 01:03:54,000
obi beate all of that and then that that

1589
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:55,760
southwest piece would just be folded

1590
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:56,559
into management of the existing open

1591
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:57,839
space.

1592
01:03:56,559 --> 01:03:58,319
Thanks. So it's really about the

1593
01:03:57,839 --> 01:04:00,000
triangle.

1594
01:03:58,319 --> 01:04:01,359
It's it's about the triangle. We should

1595
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:03,119
we thought about calling it the triangle

1596
01:04:01,359 --> 01:04:06,799
property, but it's kind of a mouthful.

1597
01:04:03,119 --> 01:04:10,960
Um but but it is and and it would it it

1598
01:04:06,799 --> 01:04:13,599
would just make things simpler and more

1599
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:15,520
logical from a management perspective.

1600
01:04:13,599 --> 01:04:18,000
Do you have an idea of how big that tri

1601
01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:21,200
the triangle is? I should have measured

1602
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:22,720
it on GIS. I'm going to guess it's two

1603
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:24,160
ten of an acre

1604
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:27,680
is little.

1605
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:29,280
And is it do you expect to recoup maybe

1606
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:30,480
the whole price from selling

1607
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:35,760
maybe some? Okay.

1608
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:38,799
But you know the um the not having to

1609
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:41,839
monitor and have these two easements

1610
01:04:38,799 --> 01:04:43,920
would probably be recovered because this

1611
01:04:41,839 --> 01:04:44,400
is a perpetual obligation.

1612
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:46,799
Thanks.

1613
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:49,200
Yep.

1614
01:04:46,799 --> 01:04:51,839
Christine

1615
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:53,920
uh Christine Johnson POSAC I was a

1616
01:04:51,839 --> 01:04:55,680
little confused by the note in there

1617
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:57,760
about saying that it could be opened for

1618
01:04:55,680 --> 01:05:00,160
publicly public public use that that was

1619
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:02,720
a potential Can you explain that?

1620
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:05,359
Uh the

1621
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:07,119
unless we have a reason to keep a

1622
01:05:05,359 --> 01:05:10,119
property closed it's open.

1623
01:05:07,119 --> 01:05:10,119
Okay.

1624
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:15,760
Okay. Trace

1625
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:18,000
uh Trace Baker POSAC. Um in the handout

1626
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:21,359
that we received

1627
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:24,960
um it says the property is currently

1628
01:05:21,359 --> 01:05:29,839
used for passive recreation

1629
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:33,599
and uh I can't imagine

1630
01:05:29,839 --> 01:05:37,520
anybody wanting to

1631
01:05:33,599 --> 01:05:39,200
uh so what how is it being used right

1632
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:40,880
now? It isn't really being used at all,

1633
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:42,160
but I would think the land owner might

1634
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:44,880
walk on it,

1635
01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:46,799
which is pass of recreation.

1636
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:49,280
Okay.

1637
01:05:46,799 --> 01:05:53,680
Okay. Um, you know, I I realize this is

1638
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:55,520
a very inexpensive property. Um, I'm I'm

1639
01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:59,760
having trouble being convinced that this

1640
01:05:55,520 --> 01:06:01,920
is worth uh buying, but uh you can

1641
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:05,599
convince me.

1642
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:08,079
I could repeat everything I said. Okay.

1643
01:06:05,599 --> 01:06:11,680
Thank you. Uhhuh.

1644
01:06:08,079 --> 01:06:13,359
Vicki Vicky Lawrence Posac. So, has

1645
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:15,520
there been discussion with the adjacent

1646
01:06:13,359 --> 01:06:17,440
homeowners about B or the adjacent

1647
01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:18,960
property owners about buying this piece

1648
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:20,720
back from the county?

1649
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:22,720
Well, we haven't because we don't own

1650
01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:25,440
the

1651
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:28,240
But it it seems as though you don't

1652
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:30,000
really want to own that part of it. So,

1653
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:31,119
wouldn't you like to know that you're

1654
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:32,880
not going to own it?

1655
01:06:31,119 --> 01:06:35,760
I think it's okay to own it. It would be

1656
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:37,839
better if the adjacent it was wrapped

1657
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:41,039
into the adjacent parcel, but I think

1658
01:06:37,839 --> 01:06:45,960
it's also not a bad thing to own it

1659
01:06:41,039 --> 01:06:45,960
because then we could manage it.

1660
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:52,400
Yeah. John

1661
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:54,720
John White Back the So the Southwest

1662
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:57,119
long term your plan is to have the

1663
01:06:54,720 --> 01:07:00,079
Southwest corner say a conservation

1664
01:06:57,119 --> 01:07:03,039
event or turn it into open regular open

1665
01:07:00,079 --> 01:07:06,240
space where we own. So

1666
01:07:03,039 --> 01:07:08,640
when we if we purchase the parcel, which

1667
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:11,039
is all the green the two pieces on that

1668
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:12,960
map, um there will the conservation

1669
01:07:11,039 --> 01:07:14,799
easement that's there now will merge

1670
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:16,480
into the fee interest. So there will no

1671
01:07:14,799 --> 01:07:17,839
longer be a conservation easement there.

1672
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:18,319
That's what I was wondering. Okay.

1673
01:07:17,839 --> 01:07:20,480
Thank you.

1674
01:07:18,319 --> 01:07:22,160
Mhm.

1675
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:26,319
All right. No more questions. I have a

1676
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:29,280
question. So when the northern part or

1677
01:07:26,319 --> 01:07:32,079
the northeast parcel the biggest piece.

1678
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:34,000
So are you talking about the adjacent

1679
01:07:32,079 --> 01:07:36,079
land owner if you go all the way to the

1680
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:36,799
eastern point of this that house down

1681
01:07:36,079 --> 01:07:39,680
there?

1682
01:07:36,799 --> 01:07:41,440
It would seem if I was that land owner.

1683
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:43,119
I would be pretty interested in it

1684
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:44,400
considering that it's kind of like in

1685
01:07:43,119 --> 01:07:48,640
their front yard.

1686
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:50,960
Yes. I without going into too much

1687
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:52,640
backstory, I I think there were

1688
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:54,160
discussions with the current land owner

1689
01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:56,400
to see if they were interested in it,

1690
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:58,400
but there were some outstanding tax

1691
01:07:56,400 --> 01:08:00,960
issues and valuation issues. So, I think

1692
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:03,520
those land owners were concerned about

1693
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:06,960
property taxes.

1694
01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:10,079
Okay. All right. Thank you. No more

1695
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:12,880
questions then. Um, do we have any

1696
01:08:10,079 --> 01:08:16,400
public comment in the room?

1697
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:19,120
Okay. Anybody online?

1698
01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:21,759
I'll give a second for anybody online if

1699
01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:24,560
you'd like to make comment.

1700
01:08:21,759 --> 01:08:27,279
I don't see any hands raised.

1701
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:29,199
Okay. So, ah,

1702
01:08:27,279 --> 01:08:31,759
I do have a question. Do you want to go?

1703
01:08:29,199 --> 01:08:33,920
Yes, please come up here and and say

1704
01:08:31,759 --> 01:08:36,960
your name and

1705
01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:37,520
where you live.

1706
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:39,040
Um,

1707
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:39,520
and it's more like a comment, but go

1708
01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:41,600
ahead.

1709
01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:45,600
Yeah, it is a comment. Kevin Kevin Abear

1710
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:48,159
uh live in Gun Barrel and you say the

1711
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:49,600
property owner to the right would be

1712
01:08:48,159 --> 01:08:52,640
interested in that property. Is there

1713
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:55,279
another property owner to the left

1714
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:58,719
along the road to reference to the

1715
01:08:55,279 --> 01:08:59,040
to the west to

1716
01:08:58,719 --> 01:09:00,480
the west?

1717
01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:01,199
Yeah, it's oriented north south. Um

1718
01:09:00,480 --> 01:09:02,159
got a different property.

1719
01:09:01,199 --> 01:09:02,480
It's the county,

1720
01:09:02,159 --> 01:09:04,640
huh?

1721
01:09:02,480 --> 01:09:07,520
It's all county open space to the west

1722
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:09,279
and it it it it's railroad really. It

1723
01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:10,400
kind of the railroad pinches up into

1724
01:09:09,279 --> 01:09:12,159
Highway 66.

1725
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:12,400
Okay. So, there's nobody else to the

1726
01:09:12,159 --> 01:09:13,120
left.

1727
01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:14,480
There is not.

1728
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:15,839
You only have one one person who would

1729
01:09:14,480 --> 01:09:17,520
be interested in this property

1730
01:09:15,839 --> 01:09:19,440
potentially. Yeah.

1731
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:22,799
Okay.

1732
01:09:19,440 --> 01:09:26,080
Okay. Thank you. All right. Um, POSAC,

1733
01:09:22,799 --> 01:09:29,520
any more comments or questions?

1734
01:09:26,080 --> 01:09:31,359
Nope. Okay. Do we have a second or a uh

1735
01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:33,440
motion

1736
01:09:31,359 --> 01:09:35,759
to approve this project as described

1737
01:09:33,440 --> 01:09:37,040
above and further described by staff in

1738
01:09:35,759 --> 01:09:39,199
their presentation?

1739
01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:41,600
So move Carol Berley Posac.

1740
01:09:39,199 --> 01:09:42,640
Okay. Do we have a second from anyone?

1741
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:44,960
John second.

1742
01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:48,480
Okay. John second. Carol made the

1743
01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:50,400
motion. All those in favor I

1744
01:09:48,480 --> 01:09:53,040
I.

1745
01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:55,360
Anyone opposed say no.

1746
01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:57,120
Okay. It passes unanimously. Thank you

1747
01:09:55,360 --> 01:10:00,000
Tina.

1748
01:09:57,120 --> 01:10:03,440
Oh, we'll see.

1749
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:05,120
Okay, next presentation.

1750
01:10:03,440 --> 01:10:06,960
We have a presentation. So, this is

1751
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:09,760
informational and it will be Amanda

1752
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:11,600
Hatfield coming up and Alex

1753
01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:13,920
Alex Windorf and you're going to talk

1754
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:17,159
about the weed warrior program. Give us

1755
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:17,159
an update.

1756
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:44,920
That go away.

1757
01:11:00,719 --> 01:11:04,960
Okay. I don't know.

1758
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:06,640
Sorry about that.

1759
01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:08,320
Uh, thank you so much for letting us

1760
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:10,640
come and talk about this. My name is

1761
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:12,080
Amanda Hatfield. I'm a senior volunteer

1762
01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:13,760
work projects coordinator for Boulder

1763
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:15,920
County Parks and Open Space and I work

1764
01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:18,080
mainly in the resource management

1765
01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:19,760
division. Um, so we're here to talk

1766
01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:23,440
about our weed warrior program that we

1767
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:24,880
started last year in 2024.

1768
01:11:23,440 --> 01:11:26,800
Um, so we just want to give you a quick

1769
01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:28,800
background of what we're going over. Um,

1770
01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:32,080
really kind about how this came into

1771
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:34,400
conception uh, uh, last year. Um, a

1772
01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:35,840
little bit of an update about or really

1773
01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:38,239
kind of talk about what it means to be a

1774
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:39,840
weed warrior. Um, some of our

1775
01:11:38,239 --> 01:11:43,760
improvements we've made this year as far

1776
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:45,280
as data collection um, and what type of

1777
01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:47,600
um, how much engagement we've had with

1778
01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:49,360
our volunteers and then some some

1779
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:51,600
highlights we've had from the season

1780
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:53,840
this year. And then looking ahead, what

1781
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:57,440
we kind of hope to see um happening in

1782
01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:59,600
the future. Um so as you all may know,

1783
01:11:57,440 --> 01:12:02,400
uh we did just recently improve the

1784
01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:05,040
integrated weed management program. Um

1785
01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:06,880
and this was really um this program came

1786
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:09,440
out of this and that there was a real

1787
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:11,360
strong need and want for us to be

1788
01:12:09,440 --> 01:12:14,159
finding new and innovative ways to be

1789
01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:15,760
using less herbicide on our properties.

1790
01:12:14,159 --> 01:12:18,080
Um and one of the things that kept

1791
01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:20,960
coming up was can volunteers do this?

1792
01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:22,480
And um we thought, well, yeah, we can.

1793
01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:23,520
We have volunteers that want to do this.

1794
01:12:22,480 --> 01:12:25,520
And we thought, well, what is that

1795
01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:27,760
really going to look like? Um so we

1796
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:29,440
really took a hard look at what this

1797
01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:30,960
would mean, what this would actually

1798
01:12:29,440 --> 01:12:32,880
mean, how we could actually see some

1799
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:34,239
progress through this and kind of rate

1800
01:12:32,880 --> 01:12:37,040
if this would actually be something that

1801
01:12:34,239 --> 01:12:39,040
would work. And so what we did is we

1802
01:12:37,040 --> 01:12:41,199
weeds

1803
01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:43,440
crew looked at different properties that

1804
01:12:41,199 --> 01:12:45,440
would be a good um a good option for

1805
01:12:43,440 --> 01:12:47,199
this. And our goal was to look at a

1806
01:12:45,440 --> 01:12:50,320
property that hadn't had herbicide use

1807
01:12:47,199 --> 01:12:52,080
on it. Um, in this one section of Walker

1808
01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:54,320
Ranch, which is basically where the main

1809
01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:56,719
loop is, the Walker Ranch loop, only

1810
01:12:54,320 --> 01:12:58,800
that side, not the Meyers Gulch side.

1811
01:12:56,719 --> 01:13:00,880
Um, there hadn't been any herbicide

1812
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:02,560
applied for at least a year on that that

1813
01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:04,080
hadn't been managed with herbicide. So,

1814
01:13:02,560 --> 01:13:06,880
we thought this would be a great one.

1815
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:08,480
It's a kind of discreet area, um, that

1816
01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:09,920
they have access to all the way around,

1817
01:13:08,480 --> 01:13:12,080
that our volunteers would have access to

1818
01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:14,800
all the way around. Um, so we decided

1819
01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:16,719
that we're going to try um for 5 years

1820
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:17,840
and we are calling this a pilot program.

1821
01:13:16,719 --> 01:13:20,560
This is something I'm probably going to

1822
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:22,400
keep mentioning because uh pilot

1823
01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:25,120
actually really means something to us in

1824
01:13:22,400 --> 01:13:27,120
this and that this is an experiment. Um

1825
01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:30,159
we know that volunteers are engaged but

1826
01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:32,239
we don't know how much um work this is

1827
01:13:30,159 --> 01:13:35,440
actually be or how much how successful

1828
01:13:32,239 --> 01:13:37,520
we will be by only utilizing volunteers

1829
01:13:35,440 --> 01:13:39,199
to manage weeds on this property. And

1830
01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:41,600
that is the promise that we made to the

1831
01:13:39,199 --> 01:13:43,760
public and to our volunteers is that for

1832
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:45,760
5 years we will not be applying any

1833
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:47,760
herbicide of any kind on this section of

1834
01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:48,960
the trail. And the only management

1835
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:52,400
that's going to be done is going to be

1836
01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:54,960
done with staff and with volunteers. Um

1837
01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:56,800
so we uh set this up. We had high hopes

1838
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:58,560
that we would get 12 people that would

1839
01:13:56,800 --> 01:14:01,199
want to do it. As you can see our first

1840
01:13:58,560 --> 01:14:03,840
year we had 46 applicants um to be part

1841
01:14:01,199 --> 01:14:06,320
of this. About 35 people ended up being

1842
01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:09,120
active in that first year. And then this

1843
01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:11,360
year we had 19 people come back and we

1844
01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:14,400
had 21 new recruits. We have about 35

1845
01:14:11,360 --> 01:14:16,239
still um active in this program. And you

1846
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:18,320
might be seeing those numbers go up and

1847
01:14:16,239 --> 01:14:20,560
wondering about that. That's actually

1848
01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:22,239
pretty normal. It's something that we

1849
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:24,560
expect as volunteer coordinators. There

1850
01:14:22,239 --> 01:14:27,280
is a normal amount of attrition. And in

1851
01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:29,760
this program in particular, we ask a lot

1852
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:31,120
of volunteers. Um we are really asking a

1853
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:32,719
lot of them. And I think that when

1854
01:14:31,120 --> 01:14:34,640
people are actually doing this, they

1855
01:14:32,719 --> 01:14:36,480
start to realize this isn't actually

1856
01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:38,159
something I can do and we work with

1857
01:14:36,480 --> 01:14:40,080
them. We try to find ways to to work

1858
01:14:38,159 --> 01:14:42,400
around their schedules, but sometimes it

1859
01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:44,080
just isn't for them and they move on and

1860
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:46,560
sometimes they come back. So that's why

1861
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:48,239
we expect that attrition.

1862
01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:50,320
Um, so a little bit about what the

1863
01:14:48,239 --> 01:14:52,719
training looks like. Um, we do have a

1864
01:14:50,320 --> 01:14:54,640
general orientation and this year one of

1865
01:14:52,719 --> 01:14:56,159
the things that we've we've changed is

1866
01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:57,840
that we actually have an online option

1867
01:14:56,159 --> 01:15:00,320
for that. and what this orientation

1868
01:14:57,840 --> 01:15:02,239
really is is going over the history of

1869
01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:04,159
the program, what it means to be a

1870
01:15:02,239 --> 01:15:06,239
volunteer for the program. So, what our

1871
01:15:04,159 --> 01:15:08,960
expectations are and then what they can

1872
01:15:06,239 --> 01:15:10,719
expect from us um as far as keeping them

1873
01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:12,320
safe and the kind of the benefits about

1874
01:15:10,719 --> 01:15:14,640
being a volunteer, like you can get free

1875
01:15:12,320 --> 01:15:17,440
first aid and CPR. You get to go places

1876
01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:19,840
that other members of the public don't.

1877
01:15:17,440 --> 01:15:21,760
You get really good access to our staff.

1878
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:23,920
Um and then there are and then the

1879
01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:25,679
expectations of what there are for the

1880
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:27,520
program. So you can see in there our

1881
01:15:25,679 --> 01:15:30,480
training sites. We have four training

1882
01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:33,280
days and as a new um weed warrior we

1883
01:15:30,480 --> 01:15:35,120
expect you to go to all of those. Um

1884
01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:37,199
most of those are actually field days.

1885
01:15:35,120 --> 01:15:39,040
So that and orientation is only one and

1886
01:15:37,199 --> 01:15:41,600
we have given people the option of

1887
01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:43,199
actually doing that online this year. We

1888
01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:45,120
encourage everyone to come to that so

1889
01:15:43,199 --> 01:15:47,040
they can meet but everyone has to come

1890
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:49,840
to the first orientation day in the

1891
01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:51,280
field. Um, and those field days are

1892
01:15:49,840 --> 01:15:53,520
really, really vital because we're

1893
01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:56,239
actually walking through how they are

1894
01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:58,640
monitoring um, at their posts and how to

1895
01:15:56,239 --> 01:16:00,000
treat. And then each time they come out,

1896
01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:02,000
they're at different times in the

1897
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:04,159
season. They're actually doing weed ID

1898
01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:06,000
with our weed experts. Um, so they

1899
01:16:04,159 --> 01:16:08,159
actually get to walk with us. They get

1900
01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:10,400
to ask questions. They get to we get to

1901
01:16:08,159 --> 01:16:12,800
compare weeds and see what things are.

1902
01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:14,640
Um, so it's really a great way to learn

1903
01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:16,320
a lot. And it really when they come out

1904
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:18,719
of this, we have some really highly

1905
01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:21,360
trained volunteers um that are really

1906
01:16:18,719 --> 01:16:22,800
really great. Um obviously safety is a

1907
01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:24,800
huge part of this. We talk about being

1908
01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:28,719
safe on the trails. Um we give them

1909
01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:30,159
vests so they are visible. Um and um we

1910
01:16:28,719 --> 01:16:32,400
provide all the tools they need to be

1911
01:16:30,159 --> 01:16:34,480
doing their um what we call treatment,

1912
01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:36,320
which is pulling weeds. By the way, if

1913
01:16:34,480 --> 01:16:39,199
you keep hearing that, we mean pulling

1914
01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:40,800
weeds is treatment. We have other means

1915
01:16:39,199 --> 01:16:42,159
to do that as well, like we actually

1916
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:44,800
have have weed whips that we're going to

1917
01:16:42,159 --> 01:16:46,640
start utilizing next year for some areas

1918
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:48,400
as well. And then we also go into what

1919
01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:49,840
our goals are. And I'd say the main

1920
01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:52,080
thing, and I know Alex is going to

1921
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:53,760
address this, that we talk about is that

1922
01:16:52,080 --> 01:16:55,760
we have eradication and we have

1923
01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:58,000
suppression. There are certain species

1924
01:16:55,760 --> 01:17:00,320
that we want eradicated as you all know,

1925
01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:01,840
we think like our list species. We have

1926
01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:03,760
a couple other species thrown in there

1927
01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:05,679
that we actually trying to eradicate in

1928
01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:06,880
the entire county. So, we make sure that

1929
01:17:05,679 --> 01:17:09,440
people know the difference between

1930
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:11,440
those, but a large majority of what

1931
01:17:09,440 --> 01:17:13,520
they're doing out there is suppression.

1932
01:17:11,440 --> 01:17:16,159
Um, and we have to constantly remind our

1933
01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:18,159
volunteers is that we are not asking you

1934
01:17:16,159 --> 01:17:20,640
to remove every single weed of this

1935
01:17:18,159 --> 01:17:22,480
property. We know that's not possible,

1936
01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:23,760
but what we're looking at is to contain

1937
01:17:22,480 --> 01:17:25,760
what we have there, especially with

1938
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:27,199
these certain species where we are not

1939
01:17:25,760 --> 01:17:29,040
looking for eradication, we're looking

1940
01:17:27,199 --> 01:17:31,360
for suppression.

1941
01:17:29,040 --> 01:17:33,520
Um, all right. And then one other thing

1942
01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:34,880
with that, so within this training, they

1943
01:17:33,520 --> 01:17:37,120
then actually choose their trail

1944
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:39,440
section. So it's split into one mile

1945
01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:41,360
sections this whole loop. Um it ends up

1946
01:17:39,440 --> 01:17:43,280
being about 10 cuz we include the link

1947
01:17:41,360 --> 01:17:46,239
trail that goes from the main trail head

1948
01:17:43,280 --> 01:17:48,719
down to Flag Staff. Um we include that

1949
01:17:46,239 --> 01:17:51,040
section of it as well. So um everyone's

1950
01:17:48,719 --> 01:17:52,719
responsible really only for one mile of

1951
01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:54,000
trail. Of course, because our volunteers

1952
01:17:52,719 --> 01:17:55,280
are incredible, they do way more than

1953
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:56,880
that. They do everywhere they're

1954
01:17:55,280 --> 01:17:58,960
walking. They will treat and they will

1955
01:17:56,880 --> 01:18:00,719
monitor and they will report back. Um,

1956
01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:04,719
but they're actually only responsible

1957
01:18:00,719 --> 01:18:06,400
for one mile of trail.

1958
01:18:04,719 --> 01:18:09,360
All right, Alex, can take off.

1959
01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:11,280
Yeah, Alex Wendorf, excuse me. Um,

1960
01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:13,600
suppression technician with parks and

1961
01:18:11,280 --> 01:18:14,800
open space. Um, so I'm going to talk a

1962
01:18:13,600 --> 01:18:16,159
little bit about some of our field

1963
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:18,000
training that we have for our weed

1964
01:18:16,159 --> 01:18:20,080
warrior volunteers. Um, as Amanda was

1965
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:21,920
mentioning, we the volunteers get quite

1966
01:18:20,080 --> 01:18:24,800
a bit of training um to kind of perform

1967
01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:27,040
their their activities out there. Um, we

1968
01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:30,880
introduced a lot of technology this year

1969
01:18:27,040 --> 01:18:33,840
as kind of a response to

1970
01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:37,199
complaints about how cumbersome uh

1971
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:40,080
reporting was last year. Um, so we used

1972
01:18:37,199 --> 01:18:43,040
a new um a new program called survey

1973
01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:45,199
123. It's within the EZRI suite. Um, and

1974
01:18:43,040 --> 01:18:46,960
it's very very simple field surveys that

1975
01:18:45,199 --> 01:18:49,760
you can they can do offline on their

1976
01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:51,199
phone while they're on location. Um

1977
01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:53,440
other technology we have for them they

1978
01:18:51,199 --> 01:18:57,120
have their own website with additional

1979
01:18:53,440 --> 01:18:58,640
resources for weed ID for management

1980
01:18:57,120 --> 01:19:01,840
activities

1981
01:18:58,640 --> 01:19:06,080
um for the uh maps through a Venza which

1982
01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:09,199
is a offline um geo PDF referencing

1983
01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:12,800
applications you can take um basically

1984
01:19:09,199 --> 01:19:14,960
base maps download them offline and then

1985
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:16,960
use them in the field to get your your

1986
01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:19,679
real-time location.

1987
01:19:16,960 --> 01:19:23,280
Um, discover is our volunteer management

1988
01:19:19,679 --> 01:19:25,840
platform. Um, so one of our trainings

1989
01:19:23,280 --> 01:19:30,239
just all the technology

1990
01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:33,280
um is very very user friendly. So, so

1991
01:19:30,239 --> 01:19:35,040
hope hopefully um they they understood

1992
01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:37,040
their concerns from last year were were

1993
01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:39,840
addressed appropriately.

1994
01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:41,840
Um, we have weed ID and management

1995
01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:43,840
method trainings that we had out in the

1996
01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:46,239
field where basically we go out in the

1997
01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:48,239
field with the volunteers and we walk

1998
01:19:46,239 --> 01:19:50,719
around and see what weeds are growing.

1999
01:19:48,239 --> 01:19:52,480
Um, ID them so they have a good idea of

2000
01:19:50,719 --> 01:19:54,719
what the noxious weed species are on

2001
01:19:52,480 --> 01:19:57,679
site. Um, the growth stage that they're

2002
01:19:54,719 --> 01:20:01,400
at so they can readily ID them and do

2003
01:19:57,679 --> 01:20:01,400
management in the field.

2004
01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:05,120
Um and these are just some of the

2005
01:20:03,040 --> 01:20:07,679
examples of the technology that we're

2006
01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:08,800
asking them to use. Um the discover site

2007
01:20:07,679 --> 01:20:10,719
and then these are all different

2008
01:20:08,800 --> 01:20:14,000
screenshots from um some of our

2009
01:20:10,719 --> 01:20:17,040
different surveys through um survey 123.

2010
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:20,480
Um there's also our data solutions team

2011
01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:24,000
is fantastic. They were able to add a um

2012
01:20:20,480 --> 01:20:25,600
a quick weed ID guide to every single

2013
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:27,920
one of the surveys. So even if you

2014
01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:31,360
didn't have a field guide with you, you

2015
01:20:27,920 --> 01:20:34,000
at least had the species of concern. Um

2016
01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:35,760
so you had names of those, you had the

2017
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:37,920
um pictures of them, and if they were a

2018
01:20:35,760 --> 01:20:40,640
suppression species or an eradication

2019
01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:43,280
species. Um which can be extremely

2020
01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:46,800
helpful. Sometimes you see something and

2021
01:20:43,280 --> 01:20:48,080
you're like, is this diffused napeweed?

2022
01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:50,159
There's a lot of things that might look

2023
01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:51,520
like it, but

2024
01:20:50,159 --> 01:20:54,320
picture can help a lot. Yeah. Up there

2025
01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:55,840
it's most likely napweed.

2026
01:20:54,320 --> 01:20:59,280
I don't know if you any of you have been

2027
01:20:55,840 --> 01:21:02,080
but there's a little bit of up there.

2028
01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:04,159
Um so data that we've able to get

2029
01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:06,400
through survey one 123 and these are all

2030
01:21:04,159 --> 01:21:08,640
the every time they're up there we ask

2031
01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:11,360
them well three times a year we ask them

2032
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:13,840
to do a post monitoring survey which we

2033
01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:17,520
have monitoring posts out there. We ask

2034
01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:19,760
them to do species recognized within a

2035
01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:22,400
5ft radius of the post species

2036
01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:25,679
recognized just visually from the post.

2037
01:21:22,400 --> 01:21:27,520
We ask them to do a section monitoring

2038
01:21:25,679 --> 01:21:29,360
survey, which is anything they see along

2039
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:31,679
the trail while they're out there. And

2040
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:33,199
then um we also ask them to do the

2041
01:21:31,679 --> 01:21:35,440
treatment survey, which is anytime

2042
01:21:33,199 --> 01:21:37,520
they're pulling weeds, digging weeds,

2043
01:21:35,440 --> 01:21:38,960
clipping seed heads, any actual

2044
01:21:37,520 --> 01:21:41,040
management activities on the noxious

2045
01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:44,080
weed species. That way we can track

2046
01:21:41,040 --> 01:21:46,560
their time, locations, um species

2047
01:21:44,080 --> 01:21:49,199
controlled, things like that.

2048
01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:53,280
Um so for this year there's 126

2049
01:21:49,199 --> 01:21:55,760
submissions. Um, so it kind of rounded

2050
01:21:53,280 --> 01:22:00,880
out to about 310 hours of volunteer

2051
01:21:55,760 --> 01:22:02,800
time. Um, 163 was actually monitoring,

2052
01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:06,880
which is still extremely valuable to us

2053
01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:08,639
cuz I am I am but one man. I can't I

2054
01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:10,800
can't be out on the trail every single

2055
01:22:08,639 --> 01:22:13,679
day. Um, and having the volunteers on

2056
01:22:10,800 --> 01:22:16,480
site gives me a very very good idea of

2057
01:22:13,679 --> 01:22:18,880
what species are active different times

2058
01:22:16,480 --> 01:22:21,600
of year, what species are um, either

2059
01:22:18,880 --> 01:22:24,560
increasing, decreasing, etc. Um, and

2060
01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:26,080
they've had 147 hours of treatments that

2061
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:29,199
they were out there individually working

2062
01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:31,600
on. Uh, for staff time, we had about 157

2063
01:22:29,199 --> 01:22:33,440
hours, and that's for our initial weed

2064
01:22:31,600 --> 01:22:35,520
assessments, uh, for any treatments that

2065
01:22:33,440 --> 01:22:38,239
we were out there helping the volunteers

2066
01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:40,480
with. Um we had warrior training days

2067
01:22:38,239 --> 01:22:43,120
that we were on site for and then we had

2068
01:22:40,480 --> 01:22:45,840
we we had warrior work days. Um we would

2069
01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:48,560
have staff on site um kind of working on

2070
01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:50,000
priority areas um kind of invited the

2071
01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:52,000
volunteers and you know kind of a drop

2072
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:53,920
in session. They can drop in help out

2073
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:56,080
with weeding where they can catch up on

2074
01:22:53,920 --> 01:22:57,440
training that's been missed or the kind

2075
01:22:56,080 --> 01:22:59,360
of opportunity to ask any of those

2076
01:22:57,440 --> 01:23:02,000
questions that they haven't had answers

2077
01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:04,400
yet. Um, and also through the survey

2078
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:05,600
123, we were able to get a lot of photo

2079
01:23:04,400 --> 01:23:07,120
points because that's one of the things

2080
01:23:05,600 --> 01:23:09,280
we asked them to do, their monitoring

2081
01:23:07,120 --> 01:23:12,000
posts.

2082
01:23:09,280 --> 01:23:14,320
So, this is post one and not a lot of

2083
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:15,920
time in between pictures. Um, but this

2084
01:23:14,320 --> 01:23:18,080
is a really interesting one cuz with

2085
01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:20,159
photo points, it's taking the same

2086
01:23:18,080 --> 01:23:22,639
picture from the same location over and

2087
01:23:20,159 --> 01:23:24,800
over and over again. But this was the

2088
01:23:22,639 --> 01:23:26,639
picture on the left was the earlier and

2089
01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:28,880
in the notes they said Mullen had been

2090
01:23:26,639 --> 01:23:30,719
shredded by hail.

2091
01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:34,239
And the picture tells that exact same

2092
01:23:30,719 --> 01:23:36,480
story, but not too much time has passed.

2093
01:23:34,239 --> 01:23:38,080
You can see the the older leaves on the

2094
01:23:36,480 --> 01:23:39,760
base of the mullen has been shredded by

2095
01:23:38,080 --> 01:23:43,760
leaves and lots of vigorous growth

2096
01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:49,040
above. They're doing what weeds do.

2097
01:23:43,760 --> 01:23:52,239
Um, this is a picture from post one. Um,

2098
01:23:49,040 --> 01:23:55,679
and this is yeah, mid June. So, you can

2099
01:23:52,239 --> 01:23:59,679
see it's pretty green out there. Um,

2100
01:23:55,679 --> 01:24:01,120
next picture was from June 26, so not a

2101
01:23:59,679 --> 01:24:02,800
lot of time has passed. You can see at

2102
01:24:01,120 --> 01:24:06,560
least one curly cup gum weed has

2103
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:08,560
bloomed, but this is from September 9th.

2104
01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:10,800
You can see a drastic difference.

2105
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:12,320
Um, you can see a lot of diffused nap in

2106
01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:14,320
the foreground. Some of that mullen that

2107
01:24:12,320 --> 01:24:16,480
was, you know, very, very short earlier

2108
01:24:14,320 --> 01:24:19,520
in the season now has been, you know,

2109
01:24:16,480 --> 01:24:21,520
full full bloom. Um, but what's what's

2110
01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:24,080
really nice about this is this is this

2111
01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:26,400
is only a few months of one photo point

2112
01:24:24,080 --> 01:24:28,800
and within a few years we'll be able to

2113
01:24:26,400 --> 01:24:30,560
really really kind of see if there's

2114
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:33,120
progression of different weed species in

2115
01:24:30,560 --> 01:24:35,120
different areas. Um, cuz we asked them

2116
01:24:33,120 --> 01:24:36,480
to kind of from each of those posts do

2117
01:24:35,120 --> 01:24:39,760
photo point each of the cardinal

2118
01:24:36,480 --> 01:24:41,760
directions. So we'll have four pictures

2119
01:24:39,760 --> 01:24:44,320
per post,

2120
01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:47,760
20 posts out there. So we'll have a kind

2121
01:24:44,320 --> 01:24:49,520
of a good idea um of like I said

2122
01:24:47,760 --> 01:24:51,360
progression of weed species and things

2123
01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:55,040
like that.

2124
01:24:51,360 --> 01:24:56,960
Um that's one of the posts. Um there's

2125
01:24:55,040 --> 01:24:58,880
that that paracord on there is their 5

2126
01:24:56,960 --> 01:25:01,280
foot radius string. So they can measure

2127
01:24:58,880 --> 01:25:04,320
that out and walk their circle to do

2128
01:25:01,280 --> 01:25:06,000
their radius monitoring. Um through that

2129
01:25:04,320 --> 01:25:07,760
survey 123 we're able to do kind of

2130
01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:10,400
analytics on the back end and put

2131
01:25:07,760 --> 01:25:12,159
together some some charts. Um, so those

2132
01:25:10,400 --> 01:25:14,400
are the the different posts out there,

2133
01:25:12,159 --> 01:25:18,239
one through 20, and the number of visits

2134
01:25:14,400 --> 01:25:20,800
per post. Um,

2135
01:25:18,239 --> 01:25:24,000
the section monitoring surveys that

2136
01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:26,480
we've had them send in. Um, I found this

2137
01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:29,199
is pretty interesting. The most commonly

2138
01:25:26,480 --> 01:25:30,880
IDed weeds were common mullen, cheat

2139
01:25:29,199 --> 01:25:34,159
grass, and diffuse snapweed. And those

2140
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:37,440
are those species pictured there. Um

2141
01:25:34,159 --> 01:25:40,880
when we look at our treatment

2142
01:25:37,440 --> 01:25:43,920
information, common mullen um diffused

2143
01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:46,719
snapweed and delmatian toad flax were

2144
01:25:43,920 --> 01:25:48,239
the most treated species with chrass

2145
01:25:46,719 --> 01:25:49,600
coming in a little bit before. I don't

2146
01:25:48,239 --> 01:25:51,920
know if any of you ever dealt with any

2147
01:25:49,600 --> 01:25:54,800
chrass before. Yeah, I see some I see

2148
01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:56,960
some pained looks in the audience. It's

2149
01:25:54,800 --> 01:25:59,120
it's terribly hard to manage by manual

2150
01:25:56,960 --> 01:26:00,480
control. You can do it,

2151
01:25:59,120 --> 01:26:02,800
but it's a lot.

2152
01:26:00,480 --> 01:26:03,440
You remove it with your socks. Yeah,

2153
01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:05,199
that's true.

2154
01:26:03,440 --> 01:26:09,520
You can remove a lot of you can remove a

2155
01:26:05,199 --> 01:26:11,840
lot of seed bankank with your socks.

2156
01:26:09,520 --> 01:26:13,280
Um, so with with all these volunteers

2157
01:26:11,840 --> 01:26:15,120
out there submitting their surveys,

2158
01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:17,280
we're getting a lot of interesting data

2159
01:26:15,120 --> 01:26:19,280
that this is kind of year one. So it's

2160
01:26:17,280 --> 01:26:21,360
it's really interesting to see what's

2161
01:26:19,280 --> 01:26:22,719
being submitted. Um, but over a few

2162
01:26:21,360 --> 01:26:25,199
years, I think it'll tell a lot more

2163
01:26:22,719 --> 01:26:27,360
comprehensive story on what species are

2164
01:26:25,199 --> 01:26:29,360
present, their densities, um, if

2165
01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:33,040
infestations are moving throughout the

2166
01:26:29,360 --> 01:26:35,280
the loop system. Um, yeah, it's really

2167
01:26:33,040 --> 01:26:39,360
interesting and they've they've embraced

2168
01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:41,040
the technology. Um, yeah, it's very very

2169
01:26:39,360 --> 01:26:42,400
fun fun program. I think all the

2170
01:26:41,040 --> 01:26:44,400
volunteers have had a good time with I

2171
01:26:42,400 --> 01:26:45,520
very much enjoy all the field training

2172
01:26:44,400 --> 01:26:47,760
sessions and getting to interact with

2173
01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:50,480
the volunteers out there. Lot of very

2174
01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:54,320
passionate individuals that um are not

2175
01:26:50,480 --> 01:26:57,480
such big fans of noxious weeds.

2176
01:26:54,320 --> 01:26:57,480
All right.

2177
01:26:57,760 --> 01:27:01,760
So, we um definitely had some great

2178
01:26:59,920 --> 01:27:03,360
highlights this year. Um there's some

2179
01:27:01,760 --> 01:27:07,280
these are pictures from this year on

2180
01:27:03,360 --> 01:27:08,960
some of those work days. Um so, we had

2181
01:27:07,280 --> 01:27:11,440
these the training events were really

2182
01:27:08,960 --> 01:27:13,199
really well attended. Um I think people

2183
01:27:11,440 --> 01:27:15,120
learned a lot. I think one of the the

2184
01:27:13,199 --> 01:27:17,199
biggest barriers that we find is that

2185
01:27:15,120 --> 01:27:18,960
people come and they're like, I don't I

2186
01:27:17,199 --> 01:27:21,040
don't know what weeds look like. I don't

2187
01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:23,120
know how to ID them. and we really kind

2188
01:27:21,040 --> 01:27:24,960
of like walk them through it slowly. So

2189
01:27:23,120 --> 01:27:26,719
I feel like by the end they definitely

2190
01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:28,480
know and their first year they might

2191
01:27:26,719 --> 01:27:30,320
only know those big three and that's

2192
01:27:28,480 --> 01:27:32,159
really okay because that's the majority

2193
01:27:30,320 --> 01:27:33,920
of what they're seeing out there. Um so

2194
01:27:32,159 --> 01:27:35,840
I think they they really I felt like

2195
01:27:33,920 --> 01:27:37,760
they were a lot more confident this year

2196
01:27:35,840 --> 01:27:40,000
going out there and um getting after

2197
01:27:37,760 --> 01:27:42,000
some of those things. Um the addition of

2198
01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:43,520
those that those work days that he was

2199
01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:45,679
talking about with the staff, those drop

2200
01:27:43,520 --> 01:27:47,920
in days, that was a new thing that I

2201
01:27:45,679 --> 01:27:49,360
thought was actually a really great way.

2202
01:27:47,920 --> 01:27:51,120
One of the things we're really trying to

2203
01:27:49,360 --> 01:27:52,960
do in this pilot program is remove

2204
01:27:51,120 --> 01:27:55,040
barriers for people getting involved in

2205
01:27:52,960 --> 01:27:56,639
this program and training and come

2206
01:27:55,040 --> 01:27:58,639
showing up for training dates is a huge

2207
01:27:56,639 --> 01:28:00,800
barrier for a lot of people. Um people

2208
01:27:58,639 --> 01:28:03,120
work or have other you know they have

2209
01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:04,400
families they want to see I guess and

2210
01:28:03,120 --> 01:28:06,320
other things that they want to do than

2211
01:28:04,400 --> 01:28:07,920
pull weeds. So we are trying to create

2212
01:28:06,320 --> 01:28:09,679
as many opportunities people come and

2213
01:28:07,920 --> 01:28:11,040
get the training that they they need um

2214
01:28:09,679 --> 01:28:13,760
for this program. And so I thought that

2215
01:28:11,040 --> 01:28:15,520
was a really great one. Um cultural

2216
01:28:13,760 --> 01:28:16,880
control efforts. So, one of the things

2217
01:28:15,520 --> 01:28:18,560
we've actually kind of picked a little

2218
01:28:16,880 --> 01:28:20,719
project area right at the trail head.

2219
01:28:18,560 --> 01:28:22,239
There is um drainage that goes right off

2220
01:28:20,719 --> 01:28:24,880
from the trail head. This little gully

2221
01:28:22,239 --> 01:28:27,360
that is packed full of napweed and other

2222
01:28:24,880 --> 01:28:30,000
things, mostly napweed and Canada

2223
01:28:27,360 --> 01:28:32,639
thistle. Um so, we are really choosing

2224
01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:34,960
as a team. We go back every year. We

2225
01:28:32,639 --> 01:28:36,560
work there a lot. But in the fall, we go

2226
01:28:34,960 --> 01:28:39,360
out and you can see on the right what we

2227
01:28:36,560 --> 01:28:41,920
do is we pull or we're taking we will

2228
01:28:39,360 --> 01:28:43,760
bag all the napweed and we um are

2229
01:28:41,920 --> 01:28:45,520
digging up rosettes cuz there's a ton of

2230
01:28:43,760 --> 01:28:47,520
rosettes. Believe it or not, even this

2231
01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:49,840
late in the year, they come up all year

2232
01:28:47,520 --> 01:28:51,600
round. And then we are seeding. So we

2233
01:28:49,840 --> 01:28:53,760
have a seed mix, a native seed mix from

2234
01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:56,560
the area that was collected in the area

2235
01:28:53,760 --> 01:28:57,760
by volunteers as well. Um that um so

2236
01:28:56,560 --> 01:28:59,920
we're putting that down. And you see

2237
01:28:57,760 --> 01:29:01,920
those blue pellets is actually um what's

2238
01:28:59,920 --> 01:29:03,760
it called? It's a paper mulch. It's a

2239
01:29:01,920 --> 01:29:06,080
dry applied um hydro mulch.

2240
01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:07,520
Hydro. Okay. Yeah. So it's like little

2241
01:29:06,080 --> 01:29:08,960
paper pellets basically. So when it

2242
01:29:07,520 --> 01:29:11,199
rains, when there's water on it, it kind

2243
01:29:08,960 --> 01:29:12,719
of expands out and sticks into the

2244
01:29:11,199 --> 01:29:14,480
ground. Um so we're trying to like give

2245
01:29:12,719 --> 01:29:17,120
it even a little bit more of a chance.

2246
01:29:14,480 --> 01:29:18,639
Um so that was really great. Um people

2247
01:29:17,120 --> 01:29:20,239
they love doing that. It's kind of nice

2248
01:29:18,639 --> 01:29:21,760
to complete the cycle. You pull the

2249
01:29:20,239 --> 01:29:24,560
weeds, you cause the disturbance, you

2250
01:29:21,760 --> 01:29:26,239
get some seed down to try to get we're

2251
01:29:24,560 --> 01:29:28,480
trying to out compete that seed bank

2252
01:29:26,239 --> 01:29:31,600
with that nap weed. And it's um it's a

2253
01:29:28,480 --> 01:29:33,520
struggle, but we're getting there. Um,

2254
01:29:31,600 --> 01:29:36,080
and then we had some really great awards

2255
01:29:33,520 --> 01:29:38,719
this year. So, if we the Boulder County,

2256
01:29:36,080 --> 01:29:41,520
um, volunteer program enrichment awards

2257
01:29:38,719 --> 01:29:43,760
for the commissioners. We won a $900

2258
01:29:41,520 --> 01:29:46,000
award from them for this program. Um,

2259
01:29:43,760 --> 01:29:47,520
which is really great. And, um, I'm

2260
01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:49,679
going to be spending that on our

2261
01:29:47,520 --> 01:29:51,120
volunteers. So, anyone that comes back

2262
01:29:49,679 --> 01:29:53,280
and completes their hours is actually

2263
01:29:51,120 --> 01:29:55,440
going to get a nice fancy sun shirt.

2264
01:29:53,280 --> 01:29:58,159
That is a Boulder County sunshirt cuz

2265
01:29:55,440 --> 01:29:59,920
sun exposure is no joke up in Walker.

2266
01:29:58,159 --> 01:30:01,360
So, we're getting them some nice gear

2267
01:29:59,920 --> 01:30:03,760
for them to be able to do their jobs a

2268
01:30:01,360 --> 01:30:05,520
little bit better. And then, um, Amy

2269
01:30:03,760 --> 01:30:07,040
Iwatada, who is one of our longtime

2270
01:30:05,520 --> 01:30:09,040
volunteers, not only with Weed Warriors,

2271
01:30:07,040 --> 01:30:10,400
but does tons of other stuff for us,

2272
01:30:09,040 --> 01:30:12,639
actually won the outstanding volunteer

2273
01:30:10,400 --> 01:30:14,800
of the award year for this year as well.

2274
01:30:12,639 --> 01:30:16,560
Um, which we're very, very proud of. Um,

2275
01:30:14,800 --> 01:30:17,840
and there she's on our next Oops, I

2276
01:30:16,560 --> 01:30:19,920
skipped right over. There she is.

2277
01:30:17,840 --> 01:30:23,440
There's Amy.

2278
01:30:19,920 --> 01:30:25,199
Um, so what's next? Oh, and just I was

2279
01:30:23,440 --> 01:30:26,880
going to point out though, so up on the

2280
01:30:25,199 --> 01:30:29,440
upper left corner, that picture is one

2281
01:30:26,880 --> 01:30:31,199
of our seasonal um weed technicians. Um

2282
01:30:29,440 --> 01:30:32,719
and they were great coming out. They

2283
01:30:31,199 --> 01:30:34,320
actually got to learn a little about um

2284
01:30:32,719 --> 01:30:36,000
volunteer engagement and volunteer

2285
01:30:34,320 --> 01:30:38,239
coordination, which I thought was great.

2286
01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:39,840
Another skill they get to add. Um that

2287
01:30:38,239 --> 01:30:41,760
is a diffuse naped by the way, an

2288
01:30:39,840 --> 01:30:46,080
enormous diffuse nap that he's holding

2289
01:30:41,760 --> 01:30:48,480
up. We found some biorol uh weevils um

2290
01:30:46,080 --> 01:30:50,239
that the state gets um puts out a lot of

2291
01:30:48,480 --> 01:30:51,760
biorol. We were actually starting to see

2292
01:30:50,239 --> 01:30:53,920
some of those head over on our side,

2293
01:30:51,760 --> 01:30:55,679
which was really, really exciting um to

2294
01:30:53,920 --> 01:30:58,880
see. That's what that picture is up

2295
01:30:55,679 --> 01:31:01,040
there on the upper right. Um so looking

2296
01:30:58,880 --> 01:31:03,600
at what's next. So every year we do

2297
01:31:01,040 --> 01:31:06,800
what's called our um December data deep

2298
01:31:03,600 --> 01:31:08,960
dive and it's potluck. So we go over all

2299
01:31:06,800 --> 01:31:10,719
the data with them and it's also the

2300
01:31:08,960 --> 01:31:12,960
chance before that we send out um a

2301
01:31:10,719 --> 01:31:15,120
survey to ask them what worked, what do

2302
01:31:12,960 --> 01:31:17,040
you want to see different. We are asking

2303
01:31:15,120 --> 01:31:18,880
for a lot of feedback from volunteers

2304
01:31:17,040 --> 01:31:20,639
and then we go over that with them. So

2305
01:31:18,880 --> 01:31:22,000
we can talk about like this is actually

2306
01:31:20,639 --> 01:31:23,280
something we plan to do. This was a

2307
01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:24,480
great idea. This is what we're going to

2308
01:31:23,280 --> 01:31:26,239
do about in the future. So they get

2309
01:31:24,480 --> 01:31:27,760
real-time feedback from the feedback

2310
01:31:26,239 --> 01:31:29,440
they're giving us and that's really

2311
01:31:27,760 --> 01:31:31,280
important to us. It's the only way this

2312
01:31:29,440 --> 01:31:32,960
program gets better is it actually works

2313
01:31:31,280 --> 01:31:35,280
to the volunteers that are that are

2314
01:31:32,960 --> 01:31:36,960
doing it. Um recruitment, I would like

2315
01:31:35,280 --> 01:31:38,719
to really kind of up our recruitment

2316
01:31:36,960 --> 01:31:40,880
this year again. Um I think we're going

2317
01:31:38,719 --> 01:31:44,159
to I'm going to try to do a a bigger

2318
01:31:40,880 --> 01:31:46,239
push. We have a great video put out. Um

2319
01:31:44,159 --> 01:31:48,159
my time this year was really kind of cut

2320
01:31:46,239 --> 01:31:50,560
with the amount of the rest of my job

2321
01:31:48,159 --> 01:31:52,639
that I was doing. Um but I'm hoping this

2322
01:31:50,560 --> 01:31:54,560
um winter to put in a little bit of um

2323
01:31:52,639 --> 01:31:55,840
head time with that to get more of that

2324
01:31:54,560 --> 01:31:57,760
and really just more community

2325
01:31:55,840 --> 01:32:00,000
engagement. We are I am currently

2326
01:31:57,760 --> 01:32:02,719
working with other weeding groups um in

2327
01:32:00,000 --> 01:32:05,040
other parts of the county. Um the skunk

2328
01:32:02,719 --> 01:32:07,520
creek weeders and the lines weed posy

2329
01:32:05,040 --> 01:32:09,360
I'm doing individual projects with them.

2330
01:32:07,520 --> 01:32:11,360
My goal is to kind of get them under

2331
01:32:09,360 --> 01:32:13,199
we're like kind of slowly I do public

2332
01:32:11,360 --> 01:32:15,520
projects that are basically in

2333
01:32:13,199 --> 01:32:17,360
partnership with them. Um we would love

2334
01:32:15,520 --> 01:32:19,199
to see this program expanded eventually.

2335
01:32:17,360 --> 01:32:21,199
I mean I think that is our goal to be

2336
01:32:19,199 --> 01:32:23,520
kind of have these this type of thing

2337
01:32:21,199 --> 01:32:25,440
happening and more places in the county.

2338
01:32:23,520 --> 01:32:26,800
Um and having those people in the

2339
01:32:25,440 --> 01:32:29,360
community that already have these set

2340
01:32:26,800 --> 01:32:31,760
these things set up in their communities

2341
01:32:29,360 --> 01:32:33,120
is really key to making that happen.

2342
01:32:31,760 --> 01:32:34,320
These people are members of these

2343
01:32:33,120 --> 01:32:36,480
communities. They get their neighbors

2344
01:32:34,320 --> 01:32:37,760
involved. So, I'm working really hard to

2345
01:32:36,480 --> 01:32:39,520
reach out to those people and those

2346
01:32:37,760 --> 01:32:41,280
groups that are doing that. So, as this

2347
01:32:39,520 --> 01:32:43,520
grows, we actually have some buy in from

2348
01:32:41,280 --> 01:32:44,800
everybody else doing it. And then staff

2349
01:32:43,520 --> 01:32:48,239
training. And this is one of the things

2350
01:32:44,800 --> 01:32:49,520
is that um when weed staff comes on,

2351
01:32:48,239 --> 01:32:51,120
they're not, you know, they're not

2352
01:32:49,520 --> 01:32:54,159
trained or hired to work with volunteers

2353
01:32:51,120 --> 01:32:55,280
and doing more um work with them to

2354
01:32:54,159 --> 01:32:57,360
actually train them to work with

2355
01:32:55,280 --> 01:32:58,880
volunteers um so they can get a little

2356
01:32:57,360 --> 01:33:01,760
bit more out of it and that it's, you

2357
01:32:58,880 --> 01:33:04,960
know, better for our volunteers as well.

2358
01:33:01,760 --> 01:33:07,440
and any questions.

2359
01:33:04,960 --> 01:33:09,679
All right, great Amanda and Alex. That

2360
01:33:07,440 --> 01:33:11,760
was a very informative and enthusiastic

2361
01:33:09,679 --> 01:33:13,920
presentation, a great program.

2362
01:33:11,760 --> 01:33:16,719
Um, much appreciated. So, pose that

2363
01:33:13,920 --> 01:33:19,360
questions. Joan, we'll start down there.

2364
01:33:16,719 --> 01:33:22,880
Joan, let's pose and thank you very

2365
01:33:19,360 --> 01:33:27,199
much. This is a very very important

2366
01:33:22,880 --> 01:33:32,239
initiative to slow the degradation

2367
01:33:27,199 --> 01:33:35,440
of our open space and it also helps all

2368
01:33:32,239 --> 01:33:37,679
the native fauna and even native insects

2369
01:33:35,440 --> 01:33:40,000
which are very important especially

2370
01:33:37,679 --> 01:33:41,679
those that are specialists on natives

2371
01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:44,639
not generalists.

2372
01:33:41,679 --> 01:33:47,760
And I also wanted to say Amy was very

2373
01:33:44,639 --> 01:33:50,880
deserving of this award. She has such a

2374
01:33:47,760 --> 01:33:54,560
great cand do spirit and a positive

2375
01:33:50,880 --> 01:33:58,800
attitude. I I just love her. Anyway, um

2376
01:33:54,560 --> 01:34:01,920
the one other thing was um I would just

2377
01:33:58,800 --> 01:34:04,800
love it if the program could somehow be

2378
01:34:01,920 --> 01:34:07,040
expanded. And I know people think, oh,

2379
01:34:04,800 --> 01:34:09,120
there's volunteers doing this, so

2380
01:34:07,040 --> 01:34:11,280
there's no county money involved, but

2381
01:34:09,120 --> 01:34:13,199
the volunteers need all of this

2382
01:34:11,280 --> 01:34:19,040
coordination. It takes a lot of staff

2383
01:34:13,199 --> 01:34:23,360
time and um so um but it would be great

2384
01:34:19,040 --> 01:34:27,520
if we could have just like once a year

2385
01:34:23,360 --> 01:34:31,920
people tackling the the weeds at trail

2386
01:34:27,520 --> 01:34:34,320
heads and also after um trail

2387
01:34:31,920 --> 01:34:35,760
construction projects cuz somehow it

2388
01:34:34,320 --> 01:34:38,480
always seems to bring in I don't know

2389
01:34:35,760 --> 01:34:41,120
whether it's tires or what more napweed

2390
01:34:38,480 --> 01:34:42,320
that pops up along say Hall Ranch

2391
01:34:41,120 --> 01:34:47,120
trails.

2392
01:34:42,320 --> 01:34:48,560
Um but um just wanted to say again thank

2393
01:34:47,120 --> 01:34:50,480
you very much for

2394
01:34:48,560 --> 01:34:52,480
well thank you thank you Jonah I want to

2395
01:34:50,480 --> 01:34:54,000
recognize you and Christine the work

2396
01:34:52,480 --> 01:34:55,600
that you have done on this program as

2397
01:34:54,000 --> 01:34:57,760
well. So I just want to say thank you

2398
01:34:55,600 --> 01:35:01,040
for that but I also want to let you know

2399
01:34:57,760 --> 01:35:03,040
that we do do other um a majority of my

2400
01:35:01,040 --> 01:35:06,639
other projects my other job is running

2401
01:35:03,040 --> 01:35:08,719
weed uh weed pools with volunteers on

2402
01:35:06,639 --> 01:35:10,800
other parts of our property. What we

2403
01:35:08,719 --> 01:35:12,400
would love in the expansion of this is

2404
01:35:10,800 --> 01:35:14,000
to have them all under this banner of

2405
01:35:12,400 --> 01:35:16,080
weed warrior so they get the same level

2406
01:35:14,000 --> 01:35:17,520
of training. Um I think that is what's

2407
01:35:16,080 --> 01:35:19,280
really important to us and I know Alex

2408
01:35:17,520 --> 01:35:21,280
can speak for this to be able to have

2409
01:35:19,280 --> 01:35:24,800
that level of training of volunteers out

2410
01:35:21,280 --> 01:35:26,639
there is so invaluable. Um the one thing

2411
01:35:24,800 --> 01:35:28,320
we keep running into with this program

2412
01:35:26,639 --> 01:35:29,600
and this is my time to say it so I'm

2413
01:35:28,320 --> 01:35:31,120
going to say it is that it takes a lot

2414
01:35:29,600 --> 01:35:33,360
of staff time. So thank you for

2415
01:35:31,120 --> 01:35:35,920
acknowledging that. Um, this really

2416
01:35:33,360 --> 01:35:38,159
truly um is a program that could be

2417
01:35:35,920 --> 01:35:40,320
someone's full-time job um to do it

2418
01:35:38,159 --> 01:35:42,320
right. Um I really I think and to give

2419
01:35:40,320 --> 01:35:45,120
it the credit that it deserves. It takes

2420
01:35:42,320 --> 01:35:46,639
a lot of lot of time. Um but it's worth

2421
01:35:45,120 --> 01:35:49,040
doing. It's something we will keep

2422
01:35:46,639 --> 01:35:50,639
doing. But yeah, it's that's kind of a

2423
01:35:49,040 --> 01:35:51,199
barrier we keep coming up against the

2424
01:35:50,639 --> 01:35:53,760
staff.

2425
01:35:51,199 --> 01:35:54,400
Now, is Skunk Creek actually a city of

2426
01:35:53,760 --> 01:35:56,880
Boulder?

2427
01:35:54,400 --> 01:35:58,960
It is. And so they are that's just kind

2428
01:35:56,880 --> 01:36:00,560
of the banner that they're under. But we

2429
01:35:58,960 --> 01:36:02,800
are working on in the southern part of

2430
01:36:00,560 --> 01:36:04,239
the county our properties with them. So

2431
01:36:02,800 --> 01:36:06,719
they're actually coming we worked at

2432
01:36:04,239 --> 01:36:08,480
Myers Gulch. In fact pulled at Myers

2433
01:36:06,719 --> 01:36:10,080
Gulch and then we're working on the sing

2434
01:36:08,480 --> 01:36:12,320
the Mayha property

2435
01:36:10,080 --> 01:36:17,120
as well. And then with Lions were doing

2436
01:36:12,320 --> 01:36:20,000
Hall Ranch. No surprise. Yeah.

2437
01:36:17,120 --> 01:36:21,520
Vicki Vicky Lawrence Pzak. Um thanks

2438
01:36:20,000 --> 01:36:24,080
Alex and Amanda. It was a great

2439
01:36:21,520 --> 01:36:25,600
presentation and being a volunteer on

2440
01:36:24,080 --> 01:36:28,400
many different projects, not just for

2441
01:36:25,600 --> 01:36:30,639
Boulder County. Um, I just want to say I

2442
01:36:28,400 --> 01:36:32,480
really appreciate the amount of effort

2443
01:36:30,639 --> 01:36:33,840
you go into train your volunteers and to

2444
01:36:32,480 --> 01:36:36,800
work with your volunteers that they

2445
01:36:33,840 --> 01:36:38,560
really understand the whole process of

2446
01:36:36,800 --> 01:36:41,360
how to do what they're supposed to do.

2447
01:36:38,560 --> 01:36:42,800
And I think that's like I say, not as a

2448
01:36:41,360 --> 01:36:44,480
volunteer on your project. Haven't done

2449
01:36:42,800 --> 01:36:47,679
that. I might, but who knows if I have

2450
01:36:44,480 --> 01:36:49,199
enough time in my life. But um but being

2451
01:36:47,679 --> 01:36:50,960
a volunteer in many projects, I know

2452
01:36:49,199 --> 01:36:52,639
that's becomes a stumbling block a lot

2453
01:36:50,960 --> 01:36:54,000
of times. So I think it's wonderful that

2454
01:36:52,639 --> 01:36:54,960
you're putting that much effort into

2455
01:36:54,000 --> 01:36:57,520
that. Thanks.

2456
01:36:54,960 --> 01:37:01,280
Thank you.

2457
01:36:57,520 --> 01:37:02,880
Okay, Trace uh Trace Baker POSAC. So you

2458
01:37:01,280 --> 01:37:04,480
pull all these weeds and you put them

2459
01:37:02,880 --> 01:37:06,159
into bags.

2460
01:37:04,480 --> 01:37:07,199
What do you do with the bags full of

2461
01:37:06,159 --> 01:37:09,840
weeds?

2462
01:37:07,199 --> 01:37:11,360
Do you want to talk about this? Um,

2463
01:37:09,840 --> 01:37:13,119
usually with the bags full of weeds,

2464
01:37:11,360 --> 01:37:15,280
they have to since they are noxious

2465
01:37:13,119 --> 01:37:16,320
weeds, um, and they, if we're bagging

2466
01:37:15,280 --> 01:37:18,320
them, they're usually at the point where

2467
01:37:16,320 --> 01:37:19,760
they're able to deposit seed, so they go

2468
01:37:18,320 --> 01:37:21,920
to the landfill.

2469
01:37:19,760 --> 01:37:23,440
Okay.

2470
01:37:21,920 --> 01:37:25,760
Oh, and we have there's requirements,

2471
01:37:23,440 --> 01:37:27,199
state requirements on how certain weeds,

2472
01:37:25,760 --> 01:37:29,040
especially those that are eradication

2473
01:37:27,199 --> 01:37:31,280
species, have to be removed. There is

2474
01:37:29,040 --> 01:37:33,520
actually a law of that they cannot be

2475
01:37:31,280 --> 01:37:36,000
going into composting facility, for

2476
01:37:33,520 --> 01:37:37,760
example. They have to be in a um a

2477
01:37:36,000 --> 01:37:39,280
plastic bag that certain thickness.

2478
01:37:37,760 --> 01:37:41,360
There's actually regulations around that

2479
01:37:39,280 --> 01:37:42,639
that we have to follow from the state.

2480
01:37:41,360 --> 01:37:44,719
So, I'm curious that they're not

2481
01:37:42,639 --> 01:37:46,639
incinerated.

2482
01:37:44,719 --> 01:37:47,840
We don't have an incinerator.

2483
01:37:46,639 --> 01:37:49,119
Okay.

2484
01:37:47,840 --> 01:37:51,760
That would make sense, wouldn't it?

2485
01:37:49,119 --> 01:37:54,880
Well, I mean, you have one that you um

2486
01:37:51,760 --> 01:37:56,560
heat the uh park headquarters with.

2487
01:37:54,880 --> 01:37:58,880
You can't put anything other than a

2488
01:37:56,560 --> 01:38:00,719
certain size of chip in that to do it.

2489
01:37:58,880 --> 01:38:01,360
It will mess the whole system up. Yeah.

2490
01:38:00,719 --> 01:38:03,440
Okay. Thank you.

2491
01:38:01,360 --> 01:38:06,400
Yeah. Yeah.

2492
01:38:03,440 --> 01:38:10,159
So, uh, Christine

2493
01:38:06,400 --> 01:38:12,480
Christine Johnson Posac um, the native

2494
01:38:10,159 --> 01:38:16,159
plant master program is restarting in

2495
01:38:12,480 --> 01:38:19,840
Boulder County. Um, and I'm hopeful that

2496
01:38:16,159 --> 01:38:21,760
you are going to coordinate with them

2497
01:38:19,840 --> 01:38:25,360
because um, one of the things that we

2498
01:38:21,760 --> 01:38:29,520
teach is about noxious weeds. So, just

2499
01:38:25,360 --> 01:38:32,239
putting that out there. Um, another just

2500
01:38:29,520 --> 01:38:34,639
to feed into the pipeline is that um

2501
01:38:32,239 --> 01:38:38,320
I've asked before and I would like to

2502
01:38:34,639 --> 01:38:41,760
hear more about bio control. Um, and

2503
01:38:38,320 --> 01:38:46,000
then um the last thing um I'd like to

2504
01:38:41,760 --> 01:38:48,320
say uh no two two more things. Um one is

2505
01:38:46,000 --> 01:38:50,239
um yeah the the reporting last year was

2506
01:38:48,320 --> 01:38:51,600
cumbersome and that's one of the reasons

2507
01:38:50,239 --> 01:38:56,880
you lost me

2508
01:38:51,600 --> 01:38:59,199
this year. Um and just um because there

2509
01:38:56,880 --> 01:39:02,719
was so much

2510
01:38:59,199 --> 01:39:07,040
um we know that we got tremendous um

2511
01:39:02,719 --> 01:39:10,719
public feedback about um the the weed

2512
01:39:07,040 --> 01:39:13,520
program um when when uh it was up for

2513
01:39:10,719 --> 01:39:15,760
review. Um,

2514
01:39:13,520 --> 01:39:17,679
have have have has there been outreach

2515
01:39:15,760 --> 01:39:20,159
to all the people the hundreds of people

2516
01:39:17,679 --> 01:39:22,320
who gave feedback to the weed program

2517
01:39:20,159 --> 01:39:24,239
for recruitment?

2518
01:39:22,320 --> 01:39:27,040
I can address that one and yes, I have

2519
01:39:24,239 --> 01:39:29,440
asked specifically and only I have sent

2520
01:39:27,040 --> 01:39:30,639
personal emails to them to ask um if

2521
01:39:29,440 --> 01:39:33,440
they wanted to be involved in this

2522
01:39:30,639 --> 01:39:34,719
program and also on any of my the

2523
01:39:33,440 --> 01:39:35,920
projects that I do throughout the

2524
01:39:34,719 --> 01:39:38,320
county.

2525
01:39:35,920 --> 01:39:39,600
Yes. And my my personal experience was

2526
01:39:38,320 --> 01:39:41,440
that there wasn't a whole lot of

2527
01:39:39,600 --> 01:39:41,920
overlap. That has been my experience as

2528
01:39:41,440 --> 01:39:43,119
well.

2529
01:39:41,920 --> 01:39:44,880
Yeah.

2530
01:39:43,119 --> 01:39:46,080
Thank you,

2531
01:39:44,880 --> 01:39:48,480
Carol.

2532
01:39:46,080 --> 01:39:51,520
Um,

2533
01:39:48,480 --> 01:39:55,520
I've pulled a lot of weeds as a child

2534
01:39:51,520 --> 01:39:59,600
and um I'm I was scarred. Um, but I'm

2535
01:39:55,520 --> 01:40:02,480
I'm wondering if But I do this. I hate

2536
01:39:59,600 --> 01:40:04,239
thistles. So, is anybody interested in

2537
01:40:02,480 --> 01:40:06,239
becoming a specialist in one kind of

2538
01:40:04,239 --> 01:40:08,080
weed and just being let loose?

2539
01:40:06,239 --> 01:40:10,000
That's how you start.

2540
01:40:08,080 --> 01:40:11,760
There's room for that in this program. I

2541
01:40:10,000 --> 01:40:13,040
like honestly I mean I know it sounds

2542
01:40:11,760 --> 01:40:14,719
ridiculous but I have people that are

2543
01:40:13,040 --> 01:40:15,760
like I don't know I don't know the names

2544
01:40:14,719 --> 01:40:17,679
of any plants. They're like I don't know

2545
01:40:15,760 --> 01:40:19,840
what chr grass is when they come in and

2546
01:40:17,679 --> 01:40:21,760
like I set them loose on mullen. They

2547
01:40:19,840 --> 01:40:23,840
know what mullen looks like and maybe

2548
01:40:21,760 --> 01:40:24,880
that's all they do. That makes a

2549
01:40:23,840 --> 01:40:26,400
difference. So

2550
01:40:24,880 --> 01:40:27,520
okay so that's allowed. You don't have

2551
01:40:26,400 --> 01:40:30,000
to know all the weeds.

2552
01:40:27,520 --> 01:40:31,440
You you really don't you will know them.

2553
01:40:30,000 --> 01:40:32,800
I mean that's kind of the thing is that

2554
01:40:31,440 --> 01:40:34,560
you kind of end up getting pulled in. It

2555
01:40:32,800 --> 01:40:37,119
is a very passionate group. He's right.

2556
01:40:34,560 --> 01:40:39,040
You'll get pulled in. But there is and

2557
01:40:37,119 --> 01:40:40,560
people love there's so many thistles out

2558
01:40:39,040 --> 01:40:42,480
there. We actually have a whole booklet

2559
01:40:40,560 --> 01:40:44,480
on just thistles. Um because there are

2560
01:40:42,480 --> 01:40:46,400
some native thistles up there as well.

2561
01:40:44,480 --> 01:40:47,840
Um but yeah, I there's there's

2562
01:40:46,400 --> 01:40:48,639
definitely a place for that. Yeah.

2563
01:40:47,840 --> 01:40:51,520
Okay. Okay.

2564
01:40:48,639 --> 01:40:52,320
We'll take any help we can get. Carol

2565
01:40:51,520 --> 01:40:54,320
needed.

2566
01:40:52,320 --> 01:40:56,159
All right. Um Vicki,

2567
01:40:54,320 --> 01:40:58,239
so Vicky Lawrence Posac Amanda, I have

2568
01:40:56,159 --> 01:41:00,400
another question and that was or Alex,

2569
01:40:58,239 --> 01:41:01,920
whichever. So I saw you had those

2570
01:41:00,400 --> 01:41:03,840
monitoring posts and people are taking

2571
01:41:01,920 --> 01:41:06,000
pictures. You're not asking them to pull

2572
01:41:03,840 --> 01:41:08,159
the noxious weeds around the posts. This

2573
01:41:06,000 --> 01:41:11,280
is just simply for monitoring and not

2574
01:41:08,159 --> 01:41:14,000
for are we getting anywhere?

2575
01:41:11,280 --> 01:41:15,840
Uh so with with all of our volunteers um

2576
01:41:14,000 --> 01:41:18,560
they have it's kind of like a adopt a

2577
01:41:15,840 --> 01:41:20,080
highway you know kind of a program where

2578
01:41:18,560 --> 01:41:21,679
they have their trail section. Each

2579
01:41:20,080 --> 01:41:24,239
section has two of those monitoring

2580
01:41:21,679 --> 01:41:26,400
posts and we do ask them to do those

2581
01:41:24,239 --> 01:41:29,040
photo points and the monitoring at the

2582
01:41:26,400 --> 01:41:30,960
posts and along those sections. Um but

2583
01:41:29,040 --> 01:41:34,000
it's as far as what kind of treatment

2584
01:41:30,960 --> 01:41:36,719
they're doing uh that's dealer's choice.

2585
01:41:34,000 --> 01:41:38,560
Um, ideally, you know, you would work

2586
01:41:36,719 --> 01:41:42,080
through your entire trail section and

2587
01:41:38,560 --> 01:41:44,400
get every single weed. Um, but that's a

2588
01:41:42,080 --> 01:41:44,800
lot to ask from any volunteer.

2589
01:41:44,400 --> 01:41:46,480
Okay?

2590
01:41:44,800 --> 01:41:48,560
And in those photos, by the way, they

2591
01:41:46,480 --> 01:41:50,000
usually will take the photo and then

2592
01:41:48,560 --> 01:41:51,840
treat afterwards. So, the ones that

2593
01:41:50,000 --> 01:41:53,360
you're seeing are ones that they took

2594
01:41:51,840 --> 01:41:54,800
the photo and then they usually will

2595
01:41:53,360 --> 01:41:56,719
just treat after that. So, what you're

2596
01:41:54,800 --> 01:41:57,040
seeing is the weedy part. That makes

2597
01:41:56,719 --> 01:41:57,280
sense.

2598
01:41:57,040 --> 01:42:00,560
Okay.

2599
01:41:57,280 --> 01:42:02,800
Yeah. We we we kind of want to see what

2600
01:42:00,560 --> 01:42:04,560
state it's actually in. We don't want

2601
01:42:02,800 --> 01:42:05,280
kind we don't want those sanitized

2602
01:42:04,560 --> 01:42:05,600
pictures.

2603
01:42:05,280 --> 01:42:07,119
Gotcha.

2604
01:42:05,600 --> 01:42:08,560
Um yeah, we want to see what weeded

2605
01:42:07,119 --> 01:42:09,920
species are actually out there. Yeah.

2606
01:42:08,560 --> 01:42:11,520
And like Amanda was saying, they usually

2607
01:42:09,920 --> 01:42:12,400
do the treatments after they take their

2608
01:42:11,520 --> 01:42:12,800
photo points.

2609
01:42:12,400 --> 01:42:16,320
Thank you.

2610
01:42:12,800 --> 01:42:18,480
Okay, cool. All right, seeing no more

2611
01:42:16,320 --> 01:42:20,400
questions from Posac. Do we have any

2612
01:42:18,480 --> 01:42:24,880
questions or or do we have any comments

2613
01:42:20,400 --> 01:42:29,280
from the public? Not inside here. So

2614
01:42:24,880 --> 01:42:31,440
Nick, anybody online want to comment?

2615
01:42:29,280 --> 01:42:33,920
I don't see any hands raised.

2616
01:42:31,440 --> 01:42:36,560
Okay. Anything else? Posac one last

2617
01:42:33,920 --> 01:42:39,040
chance. All right. Thanks so much for

2618
01:42:36,560 --> 01:42:41,920
that presentation. Great program. Really

2619
01:42:39,040 --> 01:42:43,679
appreciate the update. And

2620
01:42:41,920 --> 01:42:45,440
makes me tired.

2621
01:42:43,679 --> 01:42:47,280
What's it feels really good.

2622
01:42:45,440 --> 01:42:50,320
Yeah. The next program is going to be an

2623
01:42:47,280 --> 01:42:54,400
update on the youth course season and we

2624
01:42:50,320 --> 01:42:57,400
got Lewis coming up. Bertole.

2625
01:42:54,400 --> 01:42:57,400
Berto.

2626
01:43:06,719 --> 01:43:09,960
There we go.

2627
01:43:14,000 --> 01:43:19,760
All right. Good evening, POAC. Luis

2628
01:43:16,480 --> 01:43:21,280
Bertolo, uh program manager for the

2629
01:43:19,760 --> 01:43:24,880
Boulder County Youth Corum. I'm here to

2630
01:43:21,280 --> 01:43:30,000
tell you all about uh the 2025 season,

2631
01:43:24,880 --> 01:43:31,840
uh which was another successful one. Um

2632
01:43:30,000 --> 01:43:33,360
Kira Mcclich was supposed to be here

2633
01:43:31,840 --> 01:43:35,440
with me tonight. She was the field

2634
01:43:33,360 --> 01:43:38,000
coordinator this season. Uh

2635
01:43:35,440 --> 01:43:40,000
unfortunately she wasn't able to join.

2636
01:43:38,000 --> 01:43:41,920
Um before I actually kind of dive into

2637
01:43:40,000 --> 01:43:44,880
things, I know there's a few folks

2638
01:43:41,920 --> 01:43:47,119
behind me here in the room. Uh if by

2639
01:43:44,880 --> 01:43:50,639
show of hands, if you could raise your

2640
01:43:47,119 --> 01:43:53,119
hand if you've ever been a a sponsor or

2641
01:43:50,639 --> 01:43:56,159
work directly with the youth corps over

2642
01:43:53,119 --> 01:43:58,320
your years with parks.

2643
01:43:56,159 --> 01:44:02,159
Great. Yeah, look at that. Uh, have you

2644
01:43:58,320 --> 01:44:04,639
ever done uh a similar program as an

2645
01:44:02,159 --> 01:44:08,440
adolescent yourself? Perhaps the city of

2646
01:44:04,639 --> 01:44:08,440
Boulder Junior Rangers.

2647
01:44:08,960 --> 01:44:11,600
Was that one? That was one, wasn't it?

2648
01:44:10,480 --> 01:44:13,679
Yeah. Yeah.

2649
01:44:11,600 --> 01:44:15,840
It might be the same one here. But it

2650
01:44:13,679 --> 01:44:18,639
has your partner ever been a part of a

2651
01:44:15,840 --> 01:44:21,040
program like this?

2652
01:44:18,639 --> 01:44:23,760
Yeah. And that actually was the Boulder

2653
01:44:21,040 --> 01:44:25,440
County Youth Corps. Um, what was that?

2654
01:44:23,760 --> 01:44:27,199
Your child.

2655
01:44:25,440 --> 01:44:29,760
What's that? That's me.

2656
01:44:27,199 --> 01:44:32,800
Yeah, that's right. And and of course,

2657
01:44:29,760 --> 01:44:35,119
have you ever had core members and uh

2658
01:44:32,800 --> 01:44:36,800
children in the youth corps?

2659
01:44:35,119 --> 01:44:38,719
That's right. Ever since I've been in

2660
01:44:36,800 --> 01:44:40,480
the youth corps since 2021 as as the

2661
01:44:38,719 --> 01:44:42,960
program manager, we've had a Johnson

2662
01:44:40,480 --> 01:44:45,199
Mensmer. Uh and that was the case this

2663
01:44:42,960 --> 01:44:50,159
past season. So, uh yeah, we had over a

2664
01:44:45,199 --> 01:44:52,400
100 core members on 12 different teams

2665
01:44:50,159 --> 01:44:55,840
uh working throughout Boulder County.

2666
01:44:52,400 --> 01:44:58,639
Um, new this year we had two community

2667
01:44:55,840 --> 01:45:00,080
forest corps teams. Uh, we set those up

2668
01:44:58,639 --> 01:45:01,760
uh in partnership with the city of

2669
01:45:00,080 --> 01:45:02,800
Boulder and the Play Foundation. I'll

2670
01:45:01,760 --> 01:45:06,080
tell you a little bit more about those

2671
01:45:02,800 --> 01:45:09,360
here in in a minute. We had uh 35

2672
01:45:06,080 --> 01:45:11,520
sponsors um with parks and open space

2673
01:45:09,360 --> 01:45:14,480
and other open space divisions including

2674
01:45:11,520 --> 01:45:16,400
through the city of Boulder, uh city of

2675
01:45:14,480 --> 01:45:19,400
Longmont, Lafayette, Lewisville, and

2676
01:45:16,400 --> 01:45:19,400
Erie.

2677
01:45:21,440 --> 01:45:26,239
All right. So, uh, these are a few

2678
01:45:24,159 --> 01:45:28,159
photos of that I'm going to share with

2679
01:45:26,239 --> 01:45:31,199
you from from this recapping this past

2680
01:45:28,159 --> 01:45:32,800
season. Uh, as you all know, um, through

2681
01:45:31,199 --> 01:45:34,080
your experience with the youth corps,

2682
01:45:32,800 --> 01:45:36,320
having, you know, children in the

2683
01:45:34,080 --> 01:45:39,040
program, uh, the core members are are

2684
01:45:36,320 --> 01:45:41,199
the lifeblood of, uh, the program. It's

2685
01:45:39,040 --> 01:45:43,600
the reason why we do it. It's the only

2686
01:45:41,199 --> 01:45:45,840
way uh, that we could effectively uh,

2687
01:45:43,600 --> 01:45:48,080
accomplish everything that we do in a

2688
01:45:45,840 --> 01:45:49,920
given summer. Um, along with the core

2689
01:45:48,080 --> 01:45:51,760
members, it'd be impossible to operate a

2690
01:45:49,920 --> 01:45:53,360
successful season with someone like

2691
01:45:51,760 --> 01:45:56,239
Kira, for example, who's a field

2692
01:45:53,360 --> 01:45:58,639
coordinator or many rovers uh who help

2693
01:45:56,239 --> 01:46:00,080
support team leaders out in the field.

2694
01:45:58,639 --> 01:46:04,639
The team leaders are are the ones

2695
01:46:00,080 --> 01:46:06,239
wearing highlighter yellow shirts there.

2696
01:46:04,639 --> 01:46:08,239
Um,

2697
01:46:06,239 --> 01:46:10,639
and and you know, working on various

2698
01:46:08,239 --> 01:46:12,320
open space properties and and and even

2699
01:46:10,639 --> 01:46:14,880
using buildings such as this one that

2700
01:46:12,320 --> 01:46:16,560
we're in tonight. Um we interview

2701
01:46:14,880 --> 01:46:18,400
students or core member applicants

2702
01:46:16,560 --> 01:46:22,239
rather at the beginning of every season

2703
01:46:18,400 --> 01:46:25,040
downstairs. Uh we use office space for

2704
01:46:22,239 --> 01:46:27,440
our affinity crews for example as well.

2705
01:46:25,040 --> 01:46:29,920
Um so in addition to you know having an

2706
01:46:27,440 --> 01:46:32,639
impact on their community on open space

2707
01:46:29,920 --> 01:46:35,040
properties um they get to experience you

2708
01:46:32,639 --> 01:46:38,320
know other you know buildings and areas

2709
01:46:35,040 --> 01:46:41,119
of the county uh that we use as well.

2710
01:46:38,320 --> 01:46:44,320
Yes, Carol. Okay. Um, Carol Bley, um,

2711
01:46:41,119 --> 01:46:46,000
POSAC, I see a acronym,

2712
01:46:44,320 --> 01:46:48,880
CFC.

2713
01:46:46,000 --> 01:46:51,520
Yeah, I'm getting to it right now. Um,

2714
01:46:48,880 --> 01:46:53,440
that stands for Community Forest Corp.

2715
01:46:51,520 --> 01:46:56,159
Forestry Corp. Okay, thank you.

2716
01:46:53,440 --> 01:46:58,159
Community Forestry Corps. Um, BCYC

2717
01:46:56,159 --> 01:47:01,840
stands for Boulder County Youth Corp.

2718
01:46:58,159 --> 01:47:03,679
Um, yeah. So, just a little bit more on

2719
01:47:01,840 --> 01:47:06,560
specifically our Affinity Crews and the

2720
01:47:03,679 --> 01:47:09,280
CFC. Uh this year we welcomed back to

2721
01:47:06,560 --> 01:47:12,080
Affinity Crew, so the LGBTQ plus

2722
01:47:09,280 --> 01:47:15,440
affinity crew and our BIPO crew for a

2723
01:47:12,080 --> 01:47:18,000
second season. Um and and we did that in

2724
01:47:15,440 --> 01:47:21,199
collaboration with a lot of staff that

2725
01:47:18,000 --> 01:47:24,719
identify uh in those ways that work for

2726
01:47:21,199 --> 01:47:26,000
parks and open space uh as well as uh

2727
01:47:24,719 --> 01:47:28,719
different, you know, county

2728
01:47:26,000 --> 01:47:30,960
organizations that helped us support our

2729
01:47:28,719 --> 01:47:33,760
affinity crews. Uh, and we actually

2730
01:47:30,960 --> 01:47:36,320
combined the BIPOC affinity crew with

2731
01:47:33,760 --> 01:47:38,000
our inaugural CFC team as well, the

2732
01:47:36,320 --> 01:47:40,000
community forest corp. Again, in

2733
01:47:38,000 --> 01:47:43,360
partnership with the city of Boulder and

2734
01:47:40,000 --> 01:47:46,639
the play foundation. Um, the CFC team,

2735
01:47:43,360 --> 01:47:48,000
uh, was super active, uh, and

2736
01:47:46,639 --> 01:47:50,639
accomplished a lot in the way of

2737
01:47:48,000 --> 01:47:53,760
planting new trees, uh, gathering data

2738
01:47:50,639 --> 01:47:56,080
and and then watering, um, trees as

2739
01:47:53,760 --> 01:47:58,239
well. I'll move to the next slide here.

2740
01:47:56,080 --> 01:47:59,760
Um, throughout the city of Boulder and

2741
01:47:58,239 --> 01:48:01,840
even into Lafayette as well. Also, they

2742
01:47:59,760 --> 01:48:03,679
planted 68 new trees through the city.

2743
01:48:01,840 --> 01:48:05,520
Uh they use city hydrants to water and

2744
01:48:03,679 --> 01:48:07,360
maintain new and previously planted

2745
01:48:05,520 --> 01:48:10,560
trees in underserved communities

2746
01:48:07,360 --> 01:48:13,520
throughout Boulder. Uh over a thousand

2747
01:48:10,560 --> 01:48:15,679
project hours uh all around the city of

2748
01:48:13,520 --> 01:48:17,600
Boulder. Again, uh and that was a full

2749
01:48:15,679 --> 01:48:19,440
team of 10 core members, one team leader

2750
01:48:17,600 --> 01:48:22,560
and one assistant team leader. Uh we

2751
01:48:19,440 --> 01:48:25,520
hired those core members um all of which

2752
01:48:22,560 --> 01:48:29,320
again identified as BIPOC individuals uh

2753
01:48:25,520 --> 01:48:29,320
from Boulder and Longmont.

2754
01:48:29,520 --> 01:48:33,840
One of the other teams I wanted to

2755
01:48:31,119 --> 01:48:35,520
highlight was our Eerie team. So, we

2756
01:48:33,840 --> 01:48:37,679
welcomed Erie back. You know, obviously

2757
01:48:35,520 --> 01:48:40,159
coming out of the pandemic, uh my first

2758
01:48:37,679 --> 01:48:42,960
season hired on in 2021 was cancelled

2759
01:48:40,159 --> 01:48:44,800
altogether. Uh and then a second

2760
01:48:42,960 --> 01:48:48,000
canceled season for core members the

2761
01:48:44,800 --> 01:48:49,600
following year in 22. Uh and so you know

2762
01:48:48,000 --> 01:48:51,600
building back from from those two

2763
01:48:49,600 --> 01:48:53,360
canceled seasons which meant no

2764
01:48:51,600 --> 01:48:55,920
returning core members when we finally

2765
01:48:53,360 --> 01:48:57,840
did welcome them back to the program was

2766
01:48:55,920 --> 01:49:00,239
certainly a challenge among many others

2767
01:48:57,840 --> 01:49:02,000
coming out of the pandemic. Um so know

2768
01:49:00,239 --> 01:49:05,119
one of the

2769
01:49:02,000 --> 01:49:07,760
uh challenges around that was losing a

2770
01:49:05,119 --> 01:49:10,400
municipal um partnership with this town

2771
01:49:07,760 --> 01:49:12,239
of Erie which we regained in 2025. So

2772
01:49:10,400 --> 01:49:15,679
felt pretty good about that and the team

2773
01:49:12,239 --> 01:49:18,159
that we had uh which was exclusively uh

2774
01:49:15,679 --> 01:49:19,760
adolescence from Eerie uh accomplished a

2775
01:49:18,159 --> 01:49:21,679
tremendous amount of work. You know they

2776
01:49:19,760 --> 01:49:24,080
constructed two bridges uh demolished

2777
01:49:21,679 --> 01:49:26,239
and rebuilt 90 ft of retaining wall,

2778
01:49:24,080 --> 01:49:28,239
planted 2,000 square ft of pollinator

2779
01:49:26,239 --> 01:49:29,520
garden uh among the rest of the

2780
01:49:28,239 --> 01:49:31,600
accomplishments that you see there on

2781
01:49:29,520 --> 01:49:33,440
the slide. uh they put in a tremendous

2782
01:49:31,600 --> 01:49:34,960
amount of work and it was definitely a

2783
01:49:33,440 --> 01:49:38,080
joy to be able to, you know, welcome

2784
01:49:34,960 --> 01:49:39,840
back uh our our Eerie applicants and and

2785
01:49:38,080 --> 01:49:42,840
continue to do good work in the town of

2786
01:49:39,840 --> 01:49:42,840
Erie.

2787
01:49:46,880 --> 01:49:51,040
And just cuz I have the honor of being

2788
01:49:48,880 --> 01:49:52,400
the last presentation for the day, I'm

2789
01:49:51,040 --> 01:49:54,000
going to keep it short and sweet. The

2790
01:49:52,400 --> 01:49:56,080
last thing that I want to share with you

2791
01:49:54,000 --> 01:49:58,639
is really what it's all about. Uh I'm

2792
01:49:56,080 --> 01:50:01,280
going to share a quote here uh from Tom

2793
01:49:58,639 --> 01:50:05,360
Carris who uh was the sponsor for the

2794
01:50:01,280 --> 01:50:06,880
town of Superior in 2023.

2795
01:50:05,360 --> 01:50:08,400
So the youth corps has a very special

2796
01:50:06,880 --> 01:50:09,760
place in my heart. I took this job

2797
01:50:08,400 --> 01:50:11,280
knowing that I was going to have the

2798
01:50:09,760 --> 01:50:13,040
opportunity to work with another youth

2799
01:50:11,280 --> 01:50:14,480
corps program. The youth corps provides

2800
01:50:13,040 --> 01:50:16,000
young people with the opportunity to

2801
01:50:14,480 --> 01:50:17,840
serve their communities in meaningful

2802
01:50:16,000 --> 01:50:19,760
ways and provides an atmosphere where

2803
01:50:17,840 --> 01:50:22,159
each individual can develop professional

2804
01:50:19,760 --> 01:50:23,760
and life skills. Contributing to a small

2805
01:50:22,159 --> 01:50:25,920
part of that development and simply

2806
01:50:23,760 --> 01:50:28,719
being able to witness it reinvigorate it

2807
01:50:25,920 --> 01:50:30,159
reinvigorates me in my career path. The

2808
01:50:28,719 --> 01:50:32,239
Boulder County Youth Corps does a great

2809
01:50:30,159 --> 01:50:34,080
job of emphasizing a safe space and

2810
01:50:32,239 --> 01:50:35,920
facilitating meaningful experiences for

2811
01:50:34,080 --> 01:50:37,360
those who enter the program. I look

2812
01:50:35,920 --> 01:50:39,360
forward to continuing to work with the

2813
01:50:37,360 --> 01:50:44,000
program next season.

2814
01:50:39,360 --> 01:50:46,639
Um yeah, and just to end here, you know,

2815
01:50:44,000 --> 01:50:47,920
folks like Tom, uh folks like, uh my

2816
01:50:46,639 --> 01:50:49,199
colleagues behind me that raise their

2817
01:50:47,920 --> 01:50:50,960
hands that have, you know, been an

2818
01:50:49,199 --> 01:50:54,400
influential part of the youth corps even

2819
01:50:50,960 --> 01:50:55,679
prior to my time with with Parks. Uh in

2820
01:50:54,400 --> 01:50:57,280
addition to the core members and the

2821
01:50:55,679 --> 01:50:59,440
leaders, the ones that come back year

2822
01:50:57,280 --> 01:51:02,239
after year, we have almost a 50% return

2823
01:50:59,440 --> 01:51:05,119
rate for core members, many returning

2824
01:51:02,239 --> 01:51:06,960
leaders. Um I I'll end by saying Kira

2825
01:51:05,119 --> 01:51:09,600
herself was a core member when she was

2826
01:51:06,960 --> 01:51:11,360
an adolescent for 4 years. Uh she then

2827
01:51:09,600 --> 01:51:13,360
went on to become an assistant team

2828
01:51:11,360 --> 01:51:15,280
leader, a team leader, and then the

2829
01:51:13,360 --> 01:51:17,199
field coordinator. And she did an

2830
01:51:15,280 --> 01:51:19,119
amazing job. Uh for the record, could

2831
01:51:17,199 --> 01:51:20,800
not run the program without her. Very

2832
01:51:19,119 --> 01:51:22,719
much so. Look forward to having her back

2833
01:51:20,800 --> 01:51:24,800
next season if that's what she chooses.

2834
01:51:22,719 --> 01:51:26,800
Uh so it's very much so uh a

2835
01:51:24,800 --> 01:51:30,679
collaborative team effort in being a

2836
01:51:26,800 --> 01:51:30,679
part of something bigger than yourself.

2837
01:51:33,280 --> 01:51:37,119
All right, thanks for the presentation

2838
01:51:35,119 --> 01:51:40,159
that it's a wonderful program and we

2839
01:51:37,119 --> 01:51:43,920
really appreciate the update. So, POSAC,

2840
01:51:40,159 --> 01:51:45,840
any questions or comments? Christine

2841
01:51:43,920 --> 01:51:48,480
Christine Johnson, POSAC, you guys,

2842
01:51:45,840 --> 01:51:51,760
you're here for my annual comment about

2843
01:51:48,480 --> 01:51:56,480
um Youth Corps. Um I just I wanted to

2844
01:51:51,760 --> 01:51:59,840
comment on a few things um just personal

2845
01:51:56,480 --> 01:52:04,400
um experience uh that Louise didn't

2846
01:51:59,840 --> 01:52:07,920
bring up is that um um job skills. So,

2847
01:52:04,400 --> 01:52:09,679
um, my eldest is not is not in, um,

2848
01:52:07,920 --> 01:52:12,080
youth corps anymore because he graduated

2849
01:52:09,679 --> 01:52:14,880
from college and got a job in his field.

2850
01:52:12,080 --> 01:52:18,480
And what he learned and practiced in

2851
01:52:14,880 --> 01:52:21,119
youth corps, um, was valuable for him to

2852
01:52:18,480 --> 01:52:24,159
um, do what he's doing. He's a baby

2853
01:52:21,119 --> 01:52:27,119
landscape architect and he was managing

2854
01:52:24,159 --> 01:52:29,760
um, landscape projects and doing the

2855
01:52:27,119 --> 01:52:32,000
install and and maintenance was

2856
01:52:29,760 --> 01:52:35,520
incredibly valuable.

2857
01:52:32,000 --> 01:52:37,599
um my middle kid um when he started with

2858
01:52:35,520 --> 01:52:40,239
Youth Corps, he was dealing he was

2859
01:52:37,599 --> 01:52:42,560
recovering from bullying that happened

2860
01:52:40,239 --> 01:52:47,360
during the school year. And I have to

2861
01:52:42,560 --> 01:52:51,280
say that youth corps as a a community

2862
01:52:47,360 --> 01:52:54,400
building um kind of place like you got

2863
01:52:51,280 --> 01:52:57,599
school licked. I think um it was really

2864
01:52:54,400 --> 01:53:00,239
important for him as a person. And then

2865
01:52:57,599 --> 01:53:02,159
um finally, I will just say like with my

2866
01:53:00,239 --> 01:53:06,560
youngest, who's the one that you had

2867
01:53:02,159 --> 01:53:09,679
this year, um she started as a crew

2868
01:53:06,560 --> 01:53:13,599
member and is now an assistant um team

2869
01:53:09,679 --> 01:53:18,719
leader. and just seeing her grow um as a

2870
01:53:13,599 --> 01:53:21,280
person and um being able to uh develop

2871
01:53:18,719 --> 01:53:23,760
those um leadership skills. She's a very

2872
01:53:21,280 --> 01:53:28,239
introverted person and it's been a

2873
01:53:23,760 --> 01:53:30,800
really good place for her and um really

2874
01:53:28,239 --> 01:53:34,239
close close close

2875
01:53:30,800 --> 01:53:37,119
um friendships from youth corpore really

2876
01:53:34,239 --> 01:53:38,560
valuable and also when at the end of the

2877
01:53:37,119 --> 01:53:40,960
day when she'd come home from youth

2878
01:53:38,560 --> 01:53:43,520
corore she's usually asleep on the

2879
01:53:40,960 --> 01:53:46,639
living room floor like she comes home

2880
01:53:43,520 --> 01:53:49,440
and doesn't even change she's passed out

2881
01:53:46,639 --> 01:53:51,280
because it's hard work. So, thank you

2882
01:53:49,440 --> 01:53:53,040
for everything you're doing.

2883
01:53:51,280 --> 01:53:55,119
You're welcome. Thank you. Yeah, your

2884
01:53:53,040 --> 01:53:56,880
youngest fantastic job this past season.

2885
01:53:55,119 --> 01:53:58,719
Your oldest invited him back during

2886
01:53:56,880 --> 01:54:00,320
training actually to spend some time

2887
01:53:58,719 --> 01:54:02,320
with our leaders even though he wasn't a

2888
01:54:00,320 --> 01:54:04,960
part of the season uh to be able to you

2889
01:54:02,320 --> 01:54:06,800
know impart his his wisdom and you know

2890
01:54:04,960 --> 01:54:07,840
the middle child hopefully will back at

2891
01:54:06,800 --> 01:54:09,440
some point soon too.

2892
01:54:07,840 --> 01:54:11,599
Yeah, he was in Chile.

2893
01:54:09,440 --> 01:54:15,679
That's right.

2894
01:54:11,599 --> 01:54:17,440
Cool. Anyone else with POSAC?

2895
01:54:15,679 --> 01:54:19,760
All right.

2896
01:54:17,440 --> 01:54:21,360
Um, do we have any It looks like we have

2897
01:54:19,760 --> 01:54:23,840
no one from the public here with

2898
01:54:21,360 --> 01:54:25,360
comments. How about online?

2899
01:54:23,840 --> 01:54:28,239
I don't see any hands raised.

2900
01:54:25,360 --> 01:54:30,560
All right, postac one more time. Looks

2901
01:54:28,239 --> 01:54:32,719
like not. Thanks so much, Luis. That was

2902
01:54:30,560 --> 01:54:34,560
really good and great program. Keep up

2903
01:54:32,719 --> 01:54:36,639
the good work. We'll look forward to the

2904
01:54:34,560 --> 01:54:37,440
2026 update.

2905
01:54:36,639 --> 01:54:39,760
I'll be back.

2906
01:54:37,440 --> 01:54:42,719
All right, perfect.

2907
01:54:39,760 --> 01:54:44,639
All right, so next agenda item is public

2908
01:54:42,719 --> 01:54:46,159
comment period for items not on the

2909
01:54:44,639 --> 01:54:49,040
agenda. And I'm thinking we probably

2910
01:54:46,159 --> 01:54:51,199
don't have any. Again, one more check

2911
01:54:49,040 --> 01:54:53,040
online.

2912
01:54:51,199 --> 01:54:55,199
I don't see any hands raised online.

2913
01:54:53,040 --> 01:54:57,760
Okay. So, we'll move on to postac

2914
01:54:55,199 --> 01:55:00,639
members comment periods for items not on

2915
01:54:57,760 --> 01:55:04,400
the agenda. Okay. Joan has something.

2916
01:55:00,639 --> 01:55:06,800
This is just a question. Um, so I was at

2917
01:55:04,400 --> 01:55:10,000
the Grindstone Quarry Trail today and

2918
01:55:06,800 --> 01:55:12,320
there's three trees down over across the

2919
01:55:10,000 --> 01:55:15,840
trail. So,

2920
01:55:12,320 --> 01:55:17,679
where does one report such a thing? Cuz

2921
01:55:15,840 --> 01:55:19,119
then people start making trails around

2922
01:55:17,679 --> 01:55:20,880
it, you know.

2923
01:55:19,119 --> 01:55:24,440
Okay. Does anybody from staff want to

2924
01:55:20,880 --> 01:55:24,440
handle that one?

2925
01:55:25,280 --> 01:55:30,119
Who's coming up?

2926
01:55:26,480 --> 01:55:30,119
We got two volunteers.

2927
01:55:30,159 --> 01:55:34,800
Race.

2928
01:55:32,400 --> 01:55:37,360
All right. Bevon.

2929
01:55:34,800 --> 01:55:39,360
Bevon Krther's parks and open space. and

2930
01:55:37,360 --> 01:55:41,440
um you can report it to me right now and

2931
01:55:39,360 --> 01:55:42,880
I'll take care of that. But anytime you

2932
01:55:41,440 --> 01:55:45,040
have things like that, just to call to

2933
01:55:42,880 --> 01:55:47,360
the to our front office or even to

2934
01:55:45,040 --> 01:55:49,040
dispatch if it's more serious and it

2935
01:55:47,360 --> 01:55:50,719
gets dispatched right to our ranger and

2936
01:55:49,040 --> 01:55:52,400
then we can assign the right person to

2937
01:55:50,719 --> 01:55:54,560
get it taken care of.

2938
01:55:52,400 --> 01:55:56,000
So I'll make note of that and we'll get

2939
01:55:54,560 --> 01:55:59,239
it done tomorrow.

2940
01:55:56,000 --> 01:55:59,239
Thanks, Joe.

2941
01:55:59,360 --> 01:56:03,599
All right. Anybody else?

2942
01:56:02,239 --> 01:56:05,840
Yes. Christine

2943
01:56:03,599 --> 01:56:09,440
uh Christine Johnson Posac I wanted to

2944
01:56:05,840 --> 01:56:12,080
just acknowledge the um the comment that

2945
01:56:09,440 --> 01:56:16,639
was sent to us from Anna Rivas from

2946
01:56:12,080 --> 01:56:18,960
Longmont about um prey dogs and I wanted

2947
01:56:16,639 --> 01:56:21,520
oh man

2948
01:56:18,960 --> 01:56:26,400
uh is there when is the last time we

2949
01:56:21,520 --> 01:56:29,360
talked about prey dogs and um

2950
01:56:26,400 --> 01:56:31,280
when is there an estimation that we will

2951
01:56:29,360 --> 01:56:33,199
talk about them again? That's the the

2952
01:56:31,280 --> 01:56:34,080
question I had. And sorry, I can't

2953
01:56:33,199 --> 01:56:35,280
remember,

2954
01:56:34,080 --> 01:56:36,480
but I wanted to acknowledge it.

2955
01:56:35,280 --> 01:56:38,639
Retreat.

2956
01:56:36,480 --> 01:56:40,000
Yeah. What's Oh, at the retreat.

2957
01:56:38,639 --> 01:56:42,320
Was at a retreat.

2958
01:56:40,000 --> 01:56:44,080
Okay. Yes, we did talk about him at the

2959
01:56:42,320 --> 01:56:44,800
retreat. Not last year, the year before.

2960
01:56:44,080 --> 01:56:47,679
Before.

2961
01:56:44,800 --> 01:56:49,760
And isn't there any in December every

2962
01:56:47,679 --> 01:56:52,639
year or January? Yeah. Do you want to

2963
01:56:49,760 --> 01:56:55,040
come up, Stefan? I I believe I recall

2964
01:56:52,639 --> 01:56:58,040
there is a discussion. It's not at

2965
01:56:55,040 --> 01:56:58,040
POSAC.

2966
01:56:59,520 --> 01:57:05,199
Uh Stephan Rynold, uh deputy director

2967
01:57:01,920 --> 01:57:06,880
overseeing land stewardship. So um with

2968
01:57:05,199 --> 01:57:09,119
our we we do have a prairie dog

2969
01:57:06,880 --> 01:57:11,840
stakeholder meeting. Uh it happens every

2970
01:57:09,119 --> 01:57:14,560
December. Um it's open to the public and

2971
01:57:11,840 --> 01:57:17,199
it's also open to postac members as

2972
01:57:14,560 --> 01:57:18,719
members of the public. So feel free to

2973
01:57:17,199 --> 01:57:22,639
join us.

2974
01:57:18,719 --> 01:57:24,719
Okay. Is it possible that um there could

2975
01:57:22,639 --> 01:57:26,480
be staff outreach to this person who

2976
01:57:24,719 --> 01:57:28,880
made the public comment so that she is

2977
01:57:26,480 --> 01:57:29,920
invited to that? I I'll relay that to

2978
01:57:28,880 --> 01:57:30,639
our wildlife staff.

2979
01:57:29,920 --> 01:57:32,400
Thank you.

2980
01:57:30,639 --> 01:57:33,840
Okay.

2981
01:57:32,400 --> 01:57:36,719
Okay. Thanks. Great.

2982
01:57:33,840 --> 01:57:38,080
Yep. Very good. You're probably not

2983
01:57:36,719 --> 01:57:40,719
going to go too far. Well, I'm not I've

2984
01:57:38,080 --> 01:57:41,199
got a Let's make sure POSAC, we got

2985
01:57:40,719 --> 01:57:46,000
everything.

2986
01:57:41,199 --> 01:57:49,280
Oh, I Yes. Um Carol Berley Posac I I

2987
01:57:46,000 --> 01:57:52,719
asked for a new organization chart and I

2988
01:57:49,280 --> 01:57:56,080
just got one and people are jealous.

2989
01:57:52,719 --> 01:57:58,320
So, I'm wondering if um if Bernardas

2990
01:57:56,080 --> 01:58:01,119
could send this to everybody because it

2991
01:57:58,320 --> 01:58:04,719
it does really help me to see where

2992
01:58:01,119 --> 01:58:06,719
people are in the um organization. Um it

2993
01:58:04,719 --> 01:58:10,320
gets me more familiarized and it and it

2994
01:58:06,719 --> 01:58:11,119
just got redone. So, um that's a

2995
01:58:10,320 --> 01:58:12,880
request.

2996
01:58:11,119 --> 01:58:14,719
I'll second that. That'll save me

2997
01:58:12,880 --> 01:58:16,400
sending you an email and Ranata, you

2998
01:58:14,719 --> 01:58:21,119
might not get an email from all of us

2999
01:58:16,400 --> 01:58:21,840
then if you just send send us one. Okay.

3000
01:58:21,119 --> 01:58:24,080
Before we start.

3001
01:58:21,840 --> 01:58:26,480
All right. So, I actually have um

3002
01:58:24,080 --> 01:58:28,800
something I want to um I want to give a

3003
01:58:26,480 --> 01:58:30,719
shout out to volunteers from the

3004
01:58:28,800 --> 01:58:34,159
Backcountry Hunters and Anglers and

3005
01:58:30,719 --> 01:58:37,679
Amanda as volunteer coordinator on

3006
01:58:34,159 --> 01:58:39,760
public lands day last month. Um about 30

3007
01:58:37,679 --> 01:58:43,520
volunteers from that organization pulled

3008
01:58:39,760 --> 01:58:46,800
1 and 3/4 miles of old barb wire fence

3009
01:58:43,520 --> 01:58:48,960
on Ron Stewart Preserve at Rabbit

3010
01:58:46,800 --> 01:58:50,960
Mountain. And appreciate it. You did a

3011
01:58:48,960 --> 01:58:51,920
great job. The volunteers did a great

3012
01:58:50,960 --> 01:58:54,639
job.

3013
01:58:51,920 --> 01:58:57,360
um all in the name of habitat. Um so we

3014
01:58:54,639 --> 01:58:59,760
don't it it allows movement much easier

3015
01:58:57,360 --> 01:59:02,480
for the wildlife and there's less of a

3016
01:58:59,760 --> 01:59:04,320
endangerment of tanglement. And I

3017
01:59:02,480 --> 01:59:07,199
believe backcountry hunters and anglers

3018
01:59:04,320 --> 01:59:10,719
this was a third time in 2024 they

3019
01:59:07,199 --> 01:59:11,280
removed I think over two miles of fence.

3020
01:59:10,719 --> 01:59:12,800
So

3021
01:59:11,280 --> 01:59:13,840
might have been three total.

3022
01:59:12,800 --> 01:59:15,119
Yeah. Three

3023
01:59:13,840 --> 01:59:18,080
two different projects.

3024
01:59:15,119 --> 01:59:19,520
Okay. So yeah. So anyway, just wanted to

3025
01:59:18,080 --> 01:59:22,400
give a shout out to you guys. Great

3026
01:59:19,520 --> 01:59:26,080
program and great organization there.

3027
01:59:22,400 --> 01:59:28,639
So, thanks.

3028
01:59:26,080 --> 01:59:30,719
Anything else? All right.

3029
01:59:28,639 --> 01:59:33,440
Sounds like the last thing we've got

3030
01:59:30,719 --> 01:59:35,520
here is the director's update. And

3031
01:59:33,440 --> 01:59:37,199
Stephan, looks like you drew the short

3032
01:59:35,520 --> 01:59:38,560
straw to give that. Huh.

3033
01:59:37,199 --> 01:59:41,040
That's correct.

3034
01:59:38,560 --> 01:59:43,360
And um did the message get through

3035
01:59:41,040 --> 01:59:47,520
budget about budget? We'd like to hear a

3036
01:59:43,360 --> 01:59:50,719
little bit about possible what the Trace

3037
01:59:47,520 --> 01:59:55,360
asked something about some budget things

3038
01:59:50,719 --> 01:59:56,239
like um possibly layoffs or anything

3039
01:59:55,360 --> 01:59:58,400
with the county.

3040
01:59:56,239 --> 02:00:00,800
Uh I mean there there were a few layoffs

3041
01:59:58,400 --> 02:00:02,560
with the county, but um I would refer to

3042
02:00:00,800 --> 02:00:04,560
the commissioners uh if you're going to

3043
02:00:02,560 --> 02:00:05,280
have those types of questions related to

3044
02:00:04,560 --> 02:00:06,880
that.

3045
02:00:05,280 --> 02:00:09,360
Okay,

3046
02:00:06,880 --> 02:00:11,520
great. All right, so uh Stephan Reynold

3047
02:00:09,360 --> 02:00:13,760
again uh deputy director. It's hard to

3048
02:00:11,520 --> 02:00:15,920
say. Um, I'm going to be giving the

3049
02:00:13,760 --> 02:00:18,320
director's update today, but um, one

3050
02:00:15,920 --> 02:00:20,800
thing I wanted to say is I know that we

3051
02:00:18,320 --> 02:00:23,840
had a I I think it was probably a record

3052
02:00:20,800 --> 02:00:26,719
number of POSAC members that attended

3053
02:00:23,840 --> 02:00:28,480
KOSA, the Colorado Open Space Alliance.

3054
02:00:26,719 --> 02:00:31,280
Thank you so much for going. I hope it

3055
02:00:28,480 --> 02:00:33,119
was really useful for you. Um, it was a

3056
02:00:31,280 --> 02:00:34,960
great conference and those that have

3057
02:00:33,119 --> 02:00:39,119
never been, I hope that you're able to

3058
02:00:34,960 --> 02:00:41,440
go in the future. So, thank you.

3059
02:00:39,119 --> 02:00:43,760
Um, so I'm going to give um kind of

3060
02:00:41,440 --> 02:00:47,199
based off I know that Carol's the only

3061
02:00:43,760 --> 02:00:49,199
one that has the uh org chart there, but

3062
02:00:47,199 --> 02:00:51,679
um there there have been a few small

3063
02:00:49,199 --> 02:00:54,960
changes um and there's probably going to

3064
02:00:51,679 --> 02:00:57,360
be a few other ones um later on. Um but

3065
02:00:54,960 --> 02:00:58,800
I'm going to break it down by branch

3066
02:00:57,360 --> 02:01:00,239
when I when I talk about these things.

3067
02:00:58,800 --> 02:01:02,880
So there is a branch called the

3068
02:01:00,239 --> 02:01:04,239
community amenities branch and that's

3069
02:01:02,880 --> 02:01:08,480
where our wreck and facilities and

3070
02:01:04,239 --> 02:01:11,520
fairgrounds are um underneath. Um so the

3071
02:01:08,480 --> 02:01:13,520
first thing on here is um we are going

3072
02:01:11,520 --> 02:01:16,880
to be working on replacing trail

3073
02:01:13,520 --> 02:01:19,119
coververts um at Hyle uh along the Wedi

3074
02:01:16,880 --> 02:01:21,520
trail and so there will be a closure on

3075
02:01:19,119 --> 02:01:24,239
the Witi trail from uh the trail head

3076
02:01:21,520 --> 02:01:26,080
itself from October 28th through

3077
02:01:24,239 --> 02:01:30,400
November 7th and that's the target

3078
02:01:26,080 --> 02:01:33,119
completion date. Um we are uh having

3079
02:01:30,400 --> 02:01:35,360
ongoing contract on the Lobo Trail uh

3080
02:01:33,119 --> 02:01:37,840
doing some resurfacing on that trail and

3081
02:01:35,360 --> 02:01:39,440
we have about 2 to 3 weeks left on that

3082
02:01:37,840 --> 02:01:43,360
project.

3083
02:01:39,440 --> 02:01:45,520
Um West Lake of of Twin Lakes, we also

3084
02:01:43,360 --> 02:01:46,880
have a resurfacing contract and that was

3085
02:01:45,520 --> 02:01:50,000
complete. It should be complete this

3086
02:01:46,880 --> 02:01:51,040
week. Is it done?

3087
02:01:50,000 --> 02:01:53,760
I can't tell you that.

3088
02:01:51,040 --> 02:01:55,280
All right. So it I think it should have

3089
02:01:53,760 --> 02:01:59,280
been done but if not I'm sure it will be

3090
02:01:55,280 --> 02:02:00,639
done early next week. It's done.

3091
02:01:59,280 --> 02:02:03,280
Was someone else say something?

3092
02:02:00,639 --> 02:02:05,199
Oh, that's me. It's It was done.

3093
02:02:03,280 --> 02:02:06,960
Oh, the answer was from the

3094
02:02:05,199 --> 02:02:08,639
the voice above us that said it was

3095
02:02:06,960 --> 02:02:10,960
completed.

3096
02:02:08,639 --> 02:02:12,960
Thank you.

3097
02:02:10,960 --> 02:02:15,440
All right. So, um our our building

3098
02:02:12,960 --> 02:02:18,560
historic preservation group uh worked on

3099
02:02:15,440 --> 02:02:20,320
the Don House re-roofing. And the really

3100
02:02:18,560 --> 02:02:22,639
awesome thing about this is there are

3101
02:02:20,320 --> 02:02:26,080
some synthetic shingles that look like

3102
02:02:22,639 --> 02:02:27,840
the old shaker shingles. Um, and so, uh,

3103
02:02:26,080 --> 02:02:29,920
in trying to keep with our historic

3104
02:02:27,840 --> 02:02:32,000
buildings and make them still look like

3105
02:02:29,920 --> 02:02:34,000
they used to, but also be more fires

3106
02:02:32,000 --> 02:02:35,679
safe, um, we were able to put those

3107
02:02:34,000 --> 02:02:38,639
shingles on that roof and complete that

3108
02:02:35,679 --> 02:02:41,040
project. So, that's a really, uh, neat

3109
02:02:38,639 --> 02:02:43,440
look at what we need to do to protect

3110
02:02:41,040 --> 02:02:45,679
our structures.

3111
02:02:43,440 --> 02:02:48,480
Um, and that's the first use that we've

3112
02:02:45,679 --> 02:02:50,560
done with that. Um, we have also hired

3113
02:02:48,480 --> 02:02:52,320
our new, uh, fleet and safety

3114
02:02:50,560 --> 02:02:55,040
coordinator. Uh, his name is, uh, Paul

3115
02:02:52,320 --> 02:02:56,880
Hemock. and I'm sure at some point um

3116
02:02:55,040 --> 02:02:58,560
he'll be in front of you giving a

3117
02:02:56,880 --> 02:03:00,560
presentation.

3118
02:02:58,560 --> 02:03:02,400
Um then we have our land stewardship

3119
02:03:00,560 --> 02:03:04,560
branch. And so the land stewardship

3120
02:03:02,400 --> 02:03:08,400
branch is the one that I oversee. Um

3121
02:03:04,560 --> 02:03:11,920
that has our um natural resources um

3122
02:03:08,400 --> 02:03:14,239
group. It has our agricultural group and

3123
02:03:11,920 --> 02:03:17,040
we have actually now elevated the

3124
02:03:14,239 --> 02:03:18,960
rangers to a a division group as well.

3125
02:03:17,040 --> 02:03:22,480
So we have three groups underneath

3126
02:03:18,960 --> 02:03:24,639
there. Um so underneath that group we

3127
02:03:22,480 --> 02:03:26,480
have our education outreach. Um we just

3128
02:03:24,639 --> 02:03:28,400
had our volunteer appreciation picnic

3129
02:03:26,480 --> 02:03:31,360
and I know some of you were there as

3130
02:03:28,400 --> 02:03:33,840
well. Um it was very successful. We had

3131
02:03:31,360 --> 02:03:36,639
close to 150 people attend. It was on

3132
02:03:33,840 --> 02:03:38,400
our Broly property and just a beautiful

3133
02:03:36,639 --> 02:03:41,440
property. It was great to have uh

3134
02:03:38,400 --> 02:03:43,199
everybody there. Um and as we always say

3135
02:03:41,440 --> 02:03:46,320
we cannot do all the things we do

3136
02:03:43,199 --> 02:03:48,480
without volunteers obviously um our weed

3137
02:03:46,320 --> 02:03:51,360
warrior program um and all those great

3138
02:03:48,480 --> 02:03:52,880
things. And just as a reminder, um, you

3139
02:03:51,360 --> 02:03:54,400
know, we we will have more data at the

3140
02:03:52,880 --> 02:03:57,760
end of the year on our annual report,

3141
02:03:54,400 --> 02:04:00,800
but we had 190, uh, cultural history

3142
02:03:57,760 --> 02:04:02,719
programs last year. We had 182 natural

3143
02:04:00,800 --> 02:04:05,840
history program. And then, of course,

3144
02:04:02,719 --> 02:04:07,840
Amanda, what' you say? 140ome,

3145
02:04:05,840 --> 02:04:09,360
I think, of your programs.

3146
02:04:07,840 --> 02:04:11,119
Oh, at least. Yeah.

3147
02:04:09,360 --> 02:04:12,880
So, somewhere in that range. So, in

3148
02:04:11,119 --> 02:04:15,760
terms of the number of programs that we

3149
02:04:12,880 --> 02:04:18,400
provide, um, and and utilizing

3150
02:04:15,760 --> 02:04:20,320
volunteers. So again, thank you to all

3151
02:04:18,400 --> 02:04:22,800
of our volunteers

3152
02:04:20,320 --> 02:04:26,159
um in our forestry group. Um you know,

3153
02:04:22,800 --> 02:04:28,800
Shane presented on Liberine and so we

3154
02:04:26,159 --> 02:04:31,199
over the um this year we planted 600

3155
02:04:28,800 --> 02:04:33,679
total seedlings at uh seedlings at

3156
02:04:31,199 --> 02:04:36,320
Caribou Reynolds Ranch and Hyo Valley

3157
02:04:33,679 --> 02:04:38,560
Ranch with volunteers and park staff.

3158
02:04:36,320 --> 02:04:40,880
And the goal is to plant 400 more on

3159
02:04:38,560 --> 02:04:42,480
November 1st. So we're still working

3160
02:04:40,880 --> 02:04:44,159
that program and and moving things

3161
02:04:42,480 --> 02:04:46,800
forward.

3162
02:04:44,159 --> 02:04:50,400
All right, got a couple more.

3163
02:04:46,800 --> 02:04:52,960
Um, so our wildlife, so I'm um I could

3164
02:04:50,400 --> 02:04:55,440
sit here and tell you if you want I can

3165
02:04:52,960 --> 02:04:58,239
tell you uh what DNA stands for if you

3166
02:04:55,440 --> 02:05:01,840
want me to do that acronym, but no. Uh

3167
02:04:58,239 --> 02:05:05,040
um so uh

3168
02:05:01,840 --> 02:05:07,119
nucleic acid. Yes. So um utilizing uh

3169
02:05:05,040 --> 02:05:09,440
the the parks and open space foundation

3170
02:05:07,119 --> 02:05:11,679
funding and St. and working with St.

3171
02:05:09,440 --> 02:05:14,159
Rain Valley School District's innovation

3172
02:05:11,679 --> 02:05:16,159
center. Um the wildlife group is

3173
02:05:14,159 --> 02:05:18,800
pioneering a project that is going to be

3174
02:05:16,159 --> 02:05:22,000
run by the students and it's looking at

3175
02:05:18,800 --> 02:05:24,400
and using Ed EDNA

3176
02:05:22,000 --> 02:05:26,880
um work. And so if you know what that

3177
02:05:24,400 --> 02:05:31,119
means, essentially uh we're able to kind

3178
02:05:26,880 --> 02:05:32,880
of test from a sample of water or or

3179
02:05:31,119 --> 02:05:35,920
dirt or or things like that. We can

3180
02:05:32,880 --> 02:05:38,320
actually determine what animals are um

3181
02:05:35,920 --> 02:05:39,360
in the water or in the these different

3182
02:05:38,320 --> 02:05:42,159
locations. So they're going to be

3183
02:05:39,360 --> 02:05:44,719
pioneer uh working on uh this project

3184
02:05:42,159 --> 02:05:47,119
and this is students. So this is really

3185
02:05:44,719 --> 02:05:50,639
an awesome program that we have.

3186
02:05:47,119 --> 02:05:52,239
Um let's see Sherwood property. Some of

3187
02:05:50,639 --> 02:05:54,480
you were able to go up to the Sherwood

3188
02:05:52,239 --> 02:05:56,639
property. Uh we were the contractors

3189
02:05:54,480 --> 02:05:59,119
finished the planting and then we also

3190
02:05:56,639 --> 02:06:04,400
went up and did more planting. So uh

3191
02:05:59,119 --> 02:06:06,480
1341 plants. Um and so a total of 155

3192
02:06:04,400 --> 02:06:09,520
plants were were out there. The next

3193
02:06:06,480 --> 02:06:12,400
step is to uh look at the possibility of

3194
02:06:09,520 --> 02:06:15,280
some moose fencing to avoid predation of

3195
02:06:12,400 --> 02:06:17,760
the plants that we planted. All right.

3196
02:06:15,280 --> 02:06:20,880
And then uh let's see, the sortyards uh

3197
02:06:17,760 --> 02:06:23,119
will be closing soon. So uh they got

3198
02:06:20,880 --> 02:06:25,119
about uh November 1st for the Mer Park

3199
02:06:23,119 --> 02:06:28,400
sortyard and the Netherlands sortyard on

3200
02:06:25,119 --> 02:06:29,920
November 15th. Main reason being is as

3201
02:06:28,400 --> 02:06:32,320
the weather moves in, it's really

3202
02:06:29,920 --> 02:06:34,719
difficult and most people aren't out

3203
02:06:32,320 --> 02:06:36,400
cutting their trees anymore uh in the

3204
02:06:34,719 --> 02:06:39,760
winter.

3205
02:06:36,400 --> 02:06:42,000
Let's see. We got a couple more. All

3206
02:06:39,760 --> 02:06:44,079
right. So, the Prince Lake project, um,

3207
02:06:42,000 --> 02:06:48,000
that's the project where we are

3208
02:06:44,079 --> 02:06:49,679
rehabilitating the dam. Um, and it's

3209
02:06:48,000 --> 02:06:51,360
almost complete. Um, there's going to be

3210
02:06:49,679 --> 02:06:52,880
some punch items that have to be done in

3211
02:06:51,360 --> 02:06:55,040
the first quarter of next year, but

3212
02:06:52,880 --> 02:06:58,159
everything is on time and it should be

3213
02:06:55,040 --> 02:07:00,880
completed before uh the spring a water

3214
02:06:58,159 --> 02:07:04,320
uh to kind of backfill the the water in

3215
02:07:00,880 --> 02:07:06,079
the dam. Um and then Prairie Run

3216
02:07:04,320 --> 02:07:08,400
construction has begun on the southwest

3217
02:07:06,079 --> 02:07:10,880
portion of the property. Uh crews will

3218
02:07:08,400 --> 02:07:12,639
be working on the trail head trail shade

3219
02:07:10,880 --> 02:07:15,199
structure and other amenities that were

3220
02:07:12,639 --> 02:07:17,840
designed in the plan and hope to have a

3221
02:07:15,199 --> 02:07:20,239
celebration in the spring of next year.

3222
02:07:17,840 --> 02:07:21,280
So I think that was pretty much

3223
02:07:20,239 --> 02:07:25,840
everything. So

3224
02:07:21,280 --> 02:07:28,159
yay. Y thank you Stefan. Um any

3225
02:07:25,840 --> 02:07:30,719
questions or comments John?

3226
02:07:28,159 --> 02:07:33,280
What's a sortyard? So, our community

3227
02:07:30,719 --> 02:07:36,239
forestry sorty yards are we have two

3228
02:07:33,280 --> 02:07:37,679
locations. One is in um Netherland. It's

3229
02:07:36,239 --> 02:07:40,000
called our Ridge Road. And then we have

3230
02:07:37,679 --> 02:07:42,000
one in Mer, which is technically in Lur

3231
02:07:40,000 --> 02:07:43,679
County. But these sorty yards are

3232
02:07:42,000 --> 02:07:46,800
designed to allow for private land

3233
02:07:43,679 --> 02:07:48,560
owners to bring uh woody biomass from

3234
02:07:46,800 --> 02:07:51,679
their fuels mitigation projects. And

3235
02:07:48,560 --> 02:07:55,760
then we uh in theory sort it to its

3236
02:07:51,679 --> 02:07:58,239
highest value. Um and then we try to

3237
02:07:55,760 --> 02:08:00,480
divert it to those locations.

3238
02:07:58,239 --> 02:08:04,239
Most of it we try to utilize ourselves

3239
02:08:00,480 --> 02:08:05,840
if possible or utilize with our um lease

3240
02:08:04,239 --> 02:08:07,840
holders.

3241
02:08:05,840 --> 02:08:08,960
Thank you.

3242
02:08:07,840 --> 02:08:12,079
Yes, Trace.

3243
02:08:08,960 --> 02:08:15,040
Uh Trace Baker, POSAC. Um, as one of the

3244
02:08:12,079 --> 02:08:17,360
postac members who attended uh, KOSA

3245
02:08:15,040 --> 02:08:19,840
this year, I want to thank the

3246
02:08:17,360 --> 02:08:23,040
department and the county commissioners

3247
02:08:19,840 --> 02:08:26,880
for providing us with the opportunity

3248
02:08:23,040 --> 02:08:29,280
and the funding to interact with uh,

3249
02:08:26,880 --> 02:08:31,599
land managers and other jurisdictions.

3250
02:08:29,280 --> 02:08:35,119
You know, we're all solving the same

3251
02:08:31,599 --> 02:08:36,880
problems and so we can uh, trade ideas.

3252
02:08:35,119 --> 02:08:38,800
That's great. Yeah, it's a it's a great

3253
02:08:36,880 --> 02:08:40,560
location for us to trade ideas like you

3254
02:08:38,800 --> 02:08:42,560
said and and really kind of understand

3255
02:08:40,560 --> 02:08:46,400
how other people's are addressing the

3256
02:08:42,560 --> 02:08:50,199
same problems. So,

3257
02:08:46,400 --> 02:08:50,199
anything else possipation

3258
02:08:52,639 --> 02:08:58,119
tonight? And with that, we'll adjourn

3259
02:08:54,159 --> 02:08:58,119
for till next month.