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to today's Boulder County Parks Advisory Committee Media. Hello, can

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we hear me out there? Great, we've reached our start

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time. These meetings are held in a hybrid virtual format

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via Zoom webinar in just a moment. I'm gonna start

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the webinar. My game. That's not

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me, it was my brother. I was suddenly there. Fantastic.

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the session as attendees. Just a friendly reminder to all

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post - Act members, presenters, and public speakers. Please make

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This helps ensure we maintain an accurate public record. Members

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of the committee. Are you ready? Yes, we are Nick.

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Okay, we're recording. Okay, thank you. Good evening and welcome

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to the May 28th meeting, the Boulder County Parks and

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Open Space Advisory Committee. I'm Trace Baker Pocsack Vice Chair.

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I'm filling in for our previous chair, Janet George, who

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resigned to attend to personal matters last fall. We'll start

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out with Raw Call. Trace Baker here. Ariel Barbieri Agib.

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Here. Carol Byrly. Christine Johnson. Here. Lauren Kelso. Here. Vicky

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Lawrence. Here. Joan Lutz. Jeff Oddy. Here. And John White.

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Okay, so. For new Post Act members, and first of

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name for the record. And as neck reminded you, keep

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very important to be heard. And your microphones are always

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record. And the little button on the base of your

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format that the Boulder County Commissioners have asked all advisory

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committees and boards to follow. First off, we will have

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discussion topics, and these are subject, or I mean, decision

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make a non - binding recommendation to commissioners. And there

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will be a presentation from staff, followed by public input,

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followed by POSAC discussion, and then POSAC will vote whether

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to make the recommendation to the County Commissioners. Then there

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will be information topics, and these are also presentation by

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Parkstaff. Postac members may ask questions or make comments, but

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there will be no vote or recommendation to the County

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Commissioners. Members of the public who wish to comment on

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an information topic have two opportunities. One is to attend

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the other is to send an email to the commissioners

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as described on the commissioner's website. But again, we will

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not be accepting public comment here on information topics. And

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finally, at the conclusion of the meeting, Posac members may

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raise topics to staff that will be addressed at some

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future meeting. So the next

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item on the agenda is the election of officers. According

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to our bylaws, this happens at the first meeting of

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the year, but this is the first meeting of the

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air, so we will have elections tonight. First off, do

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we have any nominations for the chair, Christine. Christine Johnson

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Posack. Uh, I nominate Trace Baker to be the chair.

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longest standing. And I think in this time of change

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that some institutional memory would benefit all of us. And

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he has stood us in good stead in the past.

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of the 2nd. Do we have any other nominations for

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chair. Okay, so, uh, vote all in favor of electing

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trace baker as a chair. Aye. Aye. In opposed. So

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it's unanimous, so I will continue as chair for this

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year. Uh, second topic is nomination for vice chair. Do

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we have any nominations. Then may I nominate Carol Byrly.

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Vicky Lawrence, I second care on Biley. Okay, all in

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favor of Carol Byerly as Vice Chair. Aye. Post. Carol,

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you are nominated and elected as FICE chair unanimously. Thank

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you. Buddy's chair. Huh? Okay, so we will go on

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to our first meeting topic. And this will be presented

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by Heidi Wagner and talk about Oak Parks and OpenSpace

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highlights December 2025 through today. Heidi, it's all yours. That's

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right. Well, thank you so much, Trace. Thank you, Pozak.

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It's lovely to see you all again. I enjoyed our

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retreat last month. An Ariel, I don't think I had

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you in person tonight. Um, my name is Heidi Wagner.

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was asked to give this presentation tonight to really highlight

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the work that we achieved over the interim period. So

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it's really just an opportunity to share that, um, update,

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because it was roughly a five - month period, and

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the department was navigating unusually high turnover and major internal

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transitions. Um, so my goal is to give you a

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transparent view of what was happening happening operationally, why there

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were no items, um, brought to POSAC, share the work

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that we did and share with you how it sets

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the stage for future stronger POSAC meetings. So you all

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play a critical role in parks and open space. So

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happened behind the scenes. So during this period, we weren't

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in a position to bring forward plans, proposals, um, or

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policy updates that would have been your input. Um, we

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didn't even have any acquisitions or dispositions during that time,

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which is pretty rare. So instead, we focused inward. And

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we really had a rebuilding period of our structure, of

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our capacity, um, and work to give our staff support

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and clarity. So this briefing highlights what we accomplished and

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how those changes now strengthen everything that will come to

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pose ACK moving forward. Okay, so first I want to

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set a little context for you. Parks and open space

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has, I think, 169 FTEs. And as of December of

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last year, we had 14 staff leave pretty much all

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at once. In. I want to say like a six

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week period, um, and 12 of those were long tenured

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staff. So there was an early buyout for longtime staff,

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so 15 years and above. It was available to staff.

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we had 14, um, staff vacancies. And 11 or 12

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of those were just, they'd been here. 20 years, 25

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years. In one case, 49. And you don't just pick

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back up the next day and do everything like you

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did before. And so we lost a lot of institutional

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knowledge. We lost a lot of historic knowledge. We lost

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a lot of, um, people that had just been doing

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things for so long. And if I'm sure all of

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you are familiar with that effect of like you just

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get really good at your job, do you actually ever

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sit down and document it? Like how many people actually

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take the time to, you know, thoroughly document what it

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is they do, how they do their processes, um, especially

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when you've been there, you know, 25 or 30 years.

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parks. So what I did knowing that there was just

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this transition period, um, I created a 30, 60, 90

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plan, um, for what I was going to do during

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the interim, what I was going to accomplish. And I

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had a theme of focus on the foundation. So think

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about the foundation of our work at parks and open

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space, the mission, what we are designed to do. And

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it was really to give staff a shared North Star,

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um, to rebuild our core systems to reconnect with our

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mission and each other. So I created three focus areas

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under that theme that I focused on kind of every

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month of the transition or of the interim period. Um,

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and, you know, communicated and over communicated about it. Um,

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so staff knew exactly what was going on and what

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they could expect from that upcoming month. So the first

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30 days was really just around stabilization. And I directly

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told staff, I said avoid, um, starting any new things.

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innovative and creative. And I love that. We love that

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about our park staff. But now is not the time

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to kick off a big project. And you'll see some

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tools that I put in place behind the same to

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help reinforce that message. And then the next phase was

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really about strengthening. So I mentioned we lost all of

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that long tenured staff. And so I said take the

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time to document. Look at your processes and write them

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down. And also look at the processes that we'd been

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doing for a while by staff that had left and

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say, okay, this person always did this thing. How can

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they did document it? It's great. It's served us for

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a long time. But how can we, let's look at

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it and how can we strengthen it? How can we

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make it more efficient? How can we do it with

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less people. And then the last phase of this plan

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was really around sustaining those two things. So that filling

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of stability, um, and the process improvement, um, and, you

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know, really connecting to each other, our culture at parks

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and be ready for the transition for a new director.

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20 years. It wasn't a position, you know, Ron Stewart

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had it for years and years. There was a short

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period of another gentleman. For already, you know, 20 years

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at that point. And so we're just, we weren't used

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to a lot of, you know, leadership change at the

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top. And so that transition was very important. Okay. If

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I can get my slides to advance for me, we'll

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you saw this pause. And frankly, we did not have

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any items that were well formed enough to bring as

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information items or any plans, policies or acquisition that needed

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your vote to the board without full staffing and consistent

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internal processes or clear alignment across divisions. Um, any proposal

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would have been premature. And I'm saying those things not

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because we, we didn't do that well. It was just

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when you pull out 14 staff across the organization, things

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do change. And so what we wanted to focus on

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is when ensuring we did come back to POSAC, we

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did so with stronger, um, more complete materials, um, that

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really reflect the department's best integrated thinking and aligned with

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our boards priorities. And you're going to hear some of

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those items tonight. So what did we focus on? So

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strengthening of internal capacity. This is a little bit backwards

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from my stabilized strengthen and transition period. But it all

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goes together in harmony. So we've really developed three tools

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on strengthening internal capacity. The first is what I call

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the stoplight system. So we evaluated all of our 26

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work plan, um, items. And for any of you that

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know, uh, parks and open space and have been here

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a while, we are an ambitious crew. We always put

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more on the list than what we have time to

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accomplish because we're very passionate about what we do. And

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so I put a stoplight system in place to help

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staff really just slow down, pause and evaluate. What is

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your capacity now? And so it's just, you know, red,

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yellow, green means continuous planned. Yellow was just do the

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work, but slow it down a little bit. Maybe someone

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on your team, um, retired. And so you need to

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do the project a little bit slower. Um, or pause.

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work for now. It doesn't mean that it's not important.

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for example, there was a outlet that we were going

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to do. The project manager left, um, and so we

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put that redesign on pause. And the next thing we

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did was to document our property stabilization procedure. So you

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can think about when a new property is acquired into

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our system, what needs to be done to stabilize that

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property before a management plan can happen. And again, long

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tenured staff, they just did things. They went out there

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and put up signs. They did fences, but we needed

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to actually document that process. So we worked on that.

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capital and stewardship process. Um, Tina Nielsen, uh, retired, um,

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and she was the person that did cast for us

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every year. And she was instrumental in the creation of

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our caste project. And that would come to you for

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a recommendation to the board every year. Um, and so

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she left. And so we thought, well, this is a

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was time to evolve it. And so we worked on

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that, um, and really worked on prioritization, um, lining with

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staff capacity and our budget cycle. Okay. I don't expect

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you to read this, um, uh, spreadsheet. It was more

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of an illustration for you. Um, the other, the next

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thing that we did is we put in place an

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annual work planning procedure. So, uh, this is the first

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time the department, um, has ever had a comprehensive department

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- wide annual work planning process. And so it aligns

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our entire organization on an annual rhythm from setting priorities

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to coordinating work across divisions to preparing our budget requests.

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So it also explicitly connects board priorities with staff workload

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and resources ensuring we allocate our time and funding more

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intentionally. So that was a big win. And then of

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course we still continue to do what we do. We're

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parks. So we still continued our operations. And we delivered

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a large volume of essential services. We had a couple

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of, um, emergencies in there that our staff responded to

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beautifully and professionally. You can see some, or you can

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see our quarter one report that was in attached to

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your memo that goes to the board of County Commissioners.

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And I wanted to share it with you all because

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it does a good job summarizing everything that we did

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accomplish in quarter one of 26. So you can still

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see we were doing the stewardship, the agriculture, the trail

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and facility work. We still had acquisition efforts. Um, and

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youth programming. And then additionally, you'll see in there that

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there were highlights from previously board directed or supported efforts,

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that things that you had voted on, like prairie run,

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um, implementation continued as expected. So I think that that,

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you know, if you look at that report, it really

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reflects staff's commitment to public service despite all of this

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transition. Okay. And then lastly, um, we prepared for new

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leadership. So this was the last phase of that 30,

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60, 90 day or 90 day plus plan. And it

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was again, we continued to strengthen and refine the documentation

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and processes that I already explained. Um, but we also

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took the time to strengthen and focus on the culture

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of parks. So staff were encouraged to take intentional time

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to rebuild relationships, share knowledge and reestablish cross team communication.

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And I feel that this cultural reconnection was just as

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important as all of the operational improvements. And on the

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slide here, I put a few pictures from an event

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that we had. It was called Renew our space clear

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out, clean up and connect as a team. Um, our

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building had, um, had some musty things in it, like

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some things that had maybe been hauled in right after

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the building was built. And it was time for refresh.

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And we wanted to clean up the space before the

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new director came. And so the picture on the lower

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left, like we were just, we were just getting started.

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By the time we were done with this event, every

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table was piled high. And they're all underneath all the

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tables was just full of stuff. And so we repurposed

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it. We recycled it. We donated it. Um, and it

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all, it all went to appropriately diverted places. But it

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was just a great opportunity for staff to spend some

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time together. There was pancakes, food snacks. Um, all of

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those things. And we were done. It was bright and

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shiny new building. So, um, it's just a highlight of,

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uh, some of the things that we did to really

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just give staff some time together. And so by April,

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we were ready to welcome our new director, Jason Suk,

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who started April 6th with us. So what are some

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of the benefits that I think you're going to see

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or I hope that you'll see moving forward? Because what

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I think you're going to see is this internal work,

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these internal processes and, you know, SOPs is that it

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really will, I think, enhance the quality of materials that

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come before you. Because projects will now be shaped by

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improved coordination, clear resource planning and strong analysis. So you

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can expect complete information, uh, good alignment with board strategic

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priorities and proposals that reflect comprehensive internal input. So these

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improvements hopefully mean that your discussions will begin from a

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stronger baseline. So you can share your recommendation to the

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board for proposals that require your vote or give your

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feedback to staff, um, on information items. So just a

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summary here, this period, this intram period, it wasn't just

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about navigating this enormous transition. It was about intentionally rebuilding

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the foundation of parks. Um, that will support, um, our

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organization and this work for years to come. So with

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stronger systems, processes and a culture in place, we are

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well positioned to bring you all thoughtful, strategic, and well

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- prepared items. So I appreciate your patience with us

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as we went through this period. And as always, your

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partnership is deeply appreciated. And thank you for your time.

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And I'm happy to answer any questions. Trade spaker, Posack.

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Thank you very much, Heidi. Do we have any questions

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or comments from post - hack members. Can I make

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a. Comment? This is John Wright Pozacki. Um, since from

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the orga chart, your next boss, he's done an amazing

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job covering for the other people who've been missing from

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the Pi group, uh, and I just wanted to make

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sure that he got acknowledged before you leave. John, thanks

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for saying that. To Nick, the man behind the screen

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there. Christine. Thank you. Christine Johnson Posack. A few questions

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I have. How does the SOP integrate with the asset

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management tool? Is that like, is it another layer? Um,

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is it replacing it? Not at all. So the property

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stabilization, um, effort, basically integrate seamlessly with acid management because

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what we're saying is, okay, we just acquired this property.

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It needs two miles of fencing. That fencing then goes

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into asset management with a cost and, you know, a

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re, um, a refresh or a maintenance interval. And it

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will actually help improve our asset management because we'll be

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able, um, to know once we acquire that property. What

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it's going to take to maintain it moving forward. Thank

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you. Um, that's awesome. That was what I hoped. Another

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question I have, I assume that other county departments had

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the same kind of, um, loss of staff as Parks

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and OpenSpace. Um, I have always, um, hoped for, for

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greater coordination between parks and open space and other county

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departments or more reflection about that in our meetings, um,

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is any of that going on? Yes. I think, you

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know, you'll hear an item tonight from our colleague at

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Community Planning and Permitting, who we closely coordinate with. And

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we coordinate with Oscar, which is our sustainability group. We

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coordinate with them for several projects that we do in

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related to waste reduction. Um, and small grants for agricultural

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especially. And then I know, um, Jason has been making,

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um, additional efforts with Oscar as well. And maybe he'll

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share some of those in his update tonight. Um, thank

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you. And one last question. I know, I know that

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three things that happened are ongoing, um, while we weren't

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meeting, um, the, um, the trial on, um, uh, changing,

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um, trail user management. I'm wondering, um, when we'll hear

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about that. And if there will be a formal update

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on prey run and if we'll have a chance to

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talk about the weed report, those three things, those three

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things. So you'll hear about the alternating new state pilots

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in night. So that was bored directed as of March.

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And so that's why we spoke to about it in

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the retreat. And so we're going to talk about it

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tonight. We can definitely give you an update on prairie

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run. Um, and then I will defer to, um, Steffen

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Reinhold about the weeds. There is an open comet period

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for you all in the agenda. And you can formally

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request that item. Or comments from Posack.

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I just have a quick comment, which is, um, as

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long remember to stay tuned. Oh, sorry. Thank you. I'm

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going to need a lot of training on these sorts

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of rules. Um, Lauren, my name is Lauren Kelso. My

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comment is just that, uh, as somebody in a leadership

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position in a much smaller organization who goes through a

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similar process every year, the fact that you guys, it's

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very clear that you really needed this time to do

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that. So I just want to, I mostly just want

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to say thanks for taking the time. I think I

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also maybe need my own internal like stoplight thing, but

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I just, I think, um, this sort of foundational support

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is, is really important. Um, through so much transition. So

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just thanks for taking the time and having the vision

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to pull it off. Um, I think it was really

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important. I think it's important that it made people wonder

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to have such a long break. I think that's okay

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for people to have those questions, but I really appreciate

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you walking us through what you guys have been working

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on. And yeah, just put the time into it. Great.

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Thanks Lauren and I'm happy to share the instructions to

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the stoplight system if you'd like. I have a five

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page write - up for you. Okay, thank you. Uh,

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Carol Byerly. Carol Byerly. Um, thanks for the presentation. Um,

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I'm, I see a lot of changes, but they're not

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all the same thing. And so I can see the

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internal parks and open space reorganization with all the, um,

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openings and the transition. But then they're the changes for

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how we operate. Um, and those came from on high.

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And, um, I'm wondering if anybody could tell us the

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impetus for that. And because that's, that's not related to

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reorganizing the Parks and Open Stabilizing the Department. Thank you,

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Carol. That's a good question. So Natalie Springet, the commissioner's

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deputy has been making an ongoing effort to align all

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of our boards and commissions. So that's how that started.

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And it was discussed with me as interim. Okay. Anything

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else from Poseck. Okay. Well, thank you very much, Heidi.

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Thank you. Nice to see you all again. So next

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on the agenda is Cena Burghart who will be talking

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about several, um, real estate takings. Hang on one second

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while I. Get plugged in here. Hopefully it'll work. Okay.

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Good evening. Pozak. Nice to see many of you and

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welcome new members. Um, I'm Tina Burkhart Real Estate Division

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Manager. And, um, before I go, um, to my items,

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I just want to speak a little bit, um, in

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a general sense about dispositions of open space, because as

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you see on the agenda, we have three disposition items

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from real estate. And sadly, no acquisitions for you guys

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to weigh in on. So, um, open space is defined

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in the comp plan is lands being intentionally left free

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from future development. And except for passive recreational uses and

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associated facilities compatible with the county's open space management objectives.

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The county limits non open space uses to conserve open

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space lands for their intended purposes. To that end, um,

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private use of open space is prohibited by the county's

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open space sales tax resolutions. So Boulder County does not

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grant private parties, access or permission to use open space

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for private purposes. However, ditch and utility companies, special districts,

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uh, the county's public works department, the Colorado Department of

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Transportation all have legal rights where they're existing ditches utilities

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and roads run through County Open space or along its

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edges. Um, Parks and Open Space honors those rights and

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requires them to obtain, um, temporary permission for work that

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might, um, occur outside the areas of the historically use.

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These same entities typically have condemnation power, um, to take

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new portions of County Open space or private properties covered

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by County Hilled Conservation Easements for widening roads, running new

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utility lines and other public utility purposes. Well, as you

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know, we spent the last 50 years preserving over 100,

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000 acres of open space interests and predictable consequence of

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that. Is that our open space lands are increasingly impacted

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by public uses. So you'll hear in each of our

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presentations, um, about these dispositions that in order to dispose

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of any open space property, um, we are required to

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go through a disposition process that includes this meeting tonight.

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A public hearing in front of the, uh, Boulder County

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Commissioners soon after this, as well as notices to nearby

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neighbors and publish newspaper notices. On top of that, if

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a disposition is approved by the commissioners, there's a mandatory

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60 day waiting period before the conveyance can be made

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to allow the public to petition to request the disposition

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be submitted to a public vote. So with all of

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that, I'll start my first item. Just wanted to set

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the table a little bit and give some background context.

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Again Tina Burghart real estate division manager. My first item

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is the Lily Roberts Thompson, um, 2026 Excel Takings. The

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three affected properties that I just mentioned are located on

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the southeast corner of the County and they all abut

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120th Street. And the little circle. Like I said, the

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South part of the County. And a little background on

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why this is, this happening is that actually Boulder County

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Public Works Department is in partnership with City of Lafayette

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is reconstructing and widening 120th Street to accommodate two five

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- foot paved shoulders and two - foot painted buffers

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to separate shoulder users from vehicular traffic. This project will

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flatten some of the extreme grades of the area's hillside

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to reduce energy use by the numerous large trucks and

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other vehicles that are currently using the road thereby reducing

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noise and fuel consumption. As a result of this project,

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some have excels existing power poles and overhead lines that

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are along 120th will need to be relocated because they're

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getting pushed out by this widening. The map on your

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00:33:50,369 --> 00:33:54,588
left shows the effect open space properties outlined in blue,

474
00:33:54,588 --> 00:33:57,308
which as I mentioned, are the lightly Roberts and Thompson

475
00:33:57,329 --> 00:34:00,908
properties. The map on the right, um, is zoomed in

476
00:34:00,929 --> 00:34:03,548
a little bit and the black lines that are running

477
00:34:03,889 --> 00:34:07,868
vertically adjacent to 120th Street, which is the line down

478
00:34:07,908 --> 00:34:12,668
the middle of that map. Um, indicate the areas which,

479
00:34:12,668 --> 00:34:15,928
um, to which the power lines will be relocated. And

480
00:34:15,928 --> 00:34:17,228
we'll zoom in a little bit more in the next

481
00:34:17,249 --> 00:34:21,388
maps. So for the Lily property, um, those two white

482
00:34:21,409 --> 00:34:25,308
strips sort of on the, uh, southwest of the properties

483
00:34:25,409 --> 00:34:28,828
there on either side of the northwest Parkway. Um, some

484
00:34:28,868 --> 00:34:32,774
lines are going to go there. For the Roberts property,

485
00:34:32,774 --> 00:34:34,814
that white box is where, um, lines need to be

486
00:34:34,814 --> 00:34:39,814
moved and a listed the associated sizes of those areas.

487
00:34:39,814 --> 00:34:42,854
Um, for the Thompson property, um, there are two areas

488
00:34:42,955 --> 00:34:45,974
as well on the top, down the north there and

489
00:34:45,974 --> 00:34:51,704
then below the northwest Parkway. Utility companies like Excel have

490
00:34:51,885 --> 00:34:54,824
condemnation authority over Boulder County. So the county is legally

491
00:34:54,845 --> 00:34:58,584
unable to prevent Excel from locating these lines. As such,

492
00:34:58,584 --> 00:35:01,864
the County prefers to cooperate informally with entities with condemnation

493
00:35:01,885 --> 00:35:05,864
authority in these instances to negotiate fair compensation rather than

494
00:35:05,904 --> 00:35:09,944
a full formal condemnation process that is more costly and

495
00:35:09,944 --> 00:35:13,464
time consuming for both parties. Excel is being cooperative and

496
00:35:13,504 --> 00:35:16,504
meeting staff's request designed to protect and preserve the open

497
00:35:16,605 --> 00:35:20,424
space interests impacted to minimize site disturbances and to provide

498
00:35:20,605 --> 00:35:25,384
reclamation standards to the extent practicable Excel is also required

499
00:35:25,424 --> 00:35:30,584
to provide just compensation for their takings of these parcels.

500
00:35:30,584 --> 00:35:37,064
And, um, the county in Excel have negotiated 19, 957

501
00:35:37,085 --> 00:35:40,904
dollars for the easement areas in the County agrees that

502
00:35:40,944 --> 00:35:43,704
this is a fair market value. The property being taken.

503
00:35:46,630 --> 00:35:49,249
The terms of the resolution creating the sales tax that

504
00:35:49,249 --> 00:35:53,089
was used to purchase the affected properties require specific procedures,

505
00:35:53,089 --> 00:35:56,249
uh, to be followed, to dispose of these easements. In

506
00:35:56,249 --> 00:35:59,649
this instance, staff notified neighbors and nearby property owners within

507
00:35:59,750 --> 00:36:03,649
500 feet of the property. And notice of, um, these

508
00:36:03,649 --> 00:36:06,109
hearings and the commissioners public hearing on this matter, um,

509
00:36:06,310 --> 00:36:09,829
have been published in official newspapers. Um, and the notice

510
00:36:09,869 --> 00:36:12,929
is also included an invitation to attend and comment, um,

511
00:36:12,929 --> 00:36:16,869
at this meeting. I did receive three requests for clarification

512
00:36:16,869 --> 00:36:19,989
on the areas that were being affected. And they were

513
00:36:20,029 --> 00:36:23,429
largely, um, folks that didn't understand that the existing lines

514
00:36:23,469 --> 00:36:26,149
were being moved and not that new lines, they thought

515
00:36:26,149 --> 00:36:32,674
new lines were being, um, put in. So if the

516
00:36:33,095 --> 00:36:36,674
permanent easement as easement as I've described here are approved

517
00:36:36,674 --> 00:36:39,394
by the commissioners. There is a mandatory 60 day waiting

518
00:36:39,394 --> 00:36:44,850
period prior to the conveyance of, um, those easements. Staff

519
00:36:44,890 --> 00:36:47,890
supports granting the requested easements to excel for the use

520
00:36:47,911 --> 00:36:52,450
described because Excel has condemnation over Boulder County. Therefore, we

521
00:36:52,450 --> 00:36:55,410
are requesting recommendation to the Boulder County Board of Commissioners

522
00:36:55,511 --> 00:36:58,450
for approval of the disposition of the Eastmans, as I

523
00:36:58,471 --> 00:37:05,766
have just described. Happy to answer any questions. Yeah. This

524
00:37:05,766 --> 00:37:10,982
is John Wright Bosak. Do we have any. Power in

525
00:37:10,982 --> 00:37:15,662
the right word, but I'll use it. Any power. If

526
00:37:15,662 --> 00:37:17,682
the sides of the roads are being dug up, why

527
00:37:17,682 --> 00:37:20,982
aren't they burying them? Yeah. Yeah. That is, that is

528
00:37:21,003 --> 00:37:25,142
the, the obvious question. Um, my understanding is that Excel

529
00:37:25,243 --> 00:37:29,062
has their own larger plans of where and when they

530
00:37:29,163 --> 00:37:32,902
bury. And in this instance, they, um, determined it was

531
00:37:33,163 --> 00:37:36,411
much more expensive to bury. And we have no leverage.

532
00:37:37,081 --> 00:37:41,931
No. We is actually a County public works project that

533
00:37:41,952 --> 00:37:46,104
is pushing the lines out. Anyway. So it was. Yeah.

534
00:37:46,104 --> 00:37:49,784
I don't mean blocking them from moving their lines. No,

535
00:37:49,784 --> 00:37:52,584
no, no, no. Yeah. It just they're going to do

536
00:37:52,925 --> 00:37:55,464
what they're going to do is the public utility. Thank

537
00:37:55,464 --> 00:38:00,504
you. I wish we did. Trey speaker post sac. Postac

538
00:38:00,544 --> 00:38:06,024
members. Let's see if we have any public comment first.

539
00:38:06,024 --> 00:38:08,904
And then because that might influence what our discussion is.

540
00:38:10,093 --> 00:38:13,592
So is there anybody in the room here who wants

541
00:38:13,632 --> 00:38:20,414
to comment on this topic. I don't see anybody. Nick,

542
00:38:20,414 --> 00:38:23,811
do we have anybody online. Yeah. Thanks for those that

543
00:38:23,811 --> 00:38:25,731
are joining on the Zoom webinar. If you would like

544
00:38:25,731 --> 00:38:28,191
to make a comment on this agenda item, please use

545
00:38:28,191 --> 00:38:29,891
the raise hand feature so we can call on you

546
00:38:30,072 --> 00:38:34,750
and allow you to speak. Trace, I don't see any

547
00:38:34,851 --> 00:38:38,990
raised hands. Thank you, Nick. Okay. So now Posack, let's

548
00:38:38,990 --> 00:38:44,667
start with Christine. Christine Johnson Posack. Looking at this area,

549
00:38:44,928 --> 00:38:48,427
I was wondering, is there going to be any incidental

550
00:38:49,248 --> 00:38:56,187
benefit to cyclists with this issue, this matter? I believe

551
00:38:56,368 --> 00:38:59,767
so. I don't know the scope of the project, but

552
00:38:59,888 --> 00:39:03,227
my understanding from the description, um, from public works is

553
00:39:03,248 --> 00:39:05,787
that that that's a large part of it is to

554
00:39:05,827 --> 00:39:10,907
widen the shoulders for safety purposes, which presumably is cyclists

555
00:39:11,328 --> 00:39:14,667
and maybe pedestrians, but it's, it's one of the slides

556
00:39:14,707 --> 00:39:17,467
I had. You guys know it's a pretty narrow shoulders.

557
00:39:17,467 --> 00:39:20,427
And there are fairly steep drop offs on either side.

558
00:39:20,427 --> 00:39:22,427
So the project is going to kind of take the

559
00:39:22,467 --> 00:39:25,636
edge off the steepness there and create the shoulders. So

560
00:39:25,657 --> 00:39:29,056
I presumably it will be safer for cyclists. Thank you.

561
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:38,039
Any other post sac questions comments. Okay. So, um, POSEC,

562
00:39:38,039 --> 00:39:42,599
um, may I have a motion regarding approval of this

563
00:39:42,860 --> 00:39:51,677
taking. So move Carol Byrly. And second. Mickey Lawrence. So

564
00:39:51,677 --> 00:39:55,157
second. Uh, thank you Vicky. Okay. So, um, all those

565
00:39:55,498 --> 00:40:01,995
who approve the motion for this taking, say aye. Any

566
00:40:02,096 --> 00:40:07,439
opposition. Okay. It passes unanimously. Thank you. Thank you. And

567
00:40:07,720 --> 00:40:12,739
I'm not leaving. Okay. All right. Tina, before we go

568
00:40:12,779 --> 00:40:17,539
on to your second presentation, I have a general question

569
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,819
on takings. So are you going to be here for

570
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,379
the duration of the meeting? Are you planning on ditching

571
00:40:23,379 --> 00:40:31,418
out. Is that a taken? That's a load. Well, um,

572
00:40:32,179 --> 00:40:36,958
I was going to leave after, after our real estate

573
00:40:36,979 --> 00:40:42,598
items, but I, I could. Answer. No pressure. So I

574
00:40:42,619 --> 00:40:46,838
will go ahead and ask right now then. Because as

575
00:40:47,099 --> 00:40:55,358
you mentioned, um, the County cannot resist a taking. So

576
00:40:55,899 --> 00:41:00,518
why is it that Posac has to make a pro

577
00:41:00,619 --> 00:41:08,792
formate to approve. Well, um, the county can resist

578
00:41:10,893 --> 00:41:16,072
a condemnation effort. We've just as a practice chosen not

579
00:41:16,072 --> 00:41:21,432
to because Excel has condemnation authority. It would cost a

580
00:41:21,432 --> 00:41:25,514
lot of money to take this to trial. And a

581
00:41:25,514 --> 00:41:28,234
lot of staff time. And I don't think we'd prevail.

582
00:41:28,234 --> 00:41:30,874
Um, so the reason why we bring it to POSAC

583
00:41:30,874 --> 00:41:34,314
is because the sales tax resolution language says any disposition

584
00:41:34,354 --> 00:41:37,034
of open space needs to be brought to you for

585
00:41:37,055 --> 00:41:39,994
your approval to the board. Okay. That's a clear answer.

586
00:41:39,994 --> 00:41:42,234
Thank you very much. Okay. So let's go on to

587
00:41:42,274 --> 00:41:45,514
your second topic. All right. Okay. Tina Burghart real estate

588
00:41:45,615 --> 00:41:50,234
division manager. My next item is the Montgomery 2026 City

589
00:41:50,255 --> 00:41:54,925
of Longmont Taking. So this affects the Montgomery property up

590
00:41:54,965 --> 00:41:58,045
on the north part of the, um, County. It is

591
00:41:58,085 --> 00:42:01,485
located approximately two miles east of lions. Just south of

592
00:42:01,506 --> 00:42:05,165
Highway 66 near the intersection of Highway 66 and North

593
00:42:05,266 --> 00:42:10,272
53rd Street. So here's a vicinity map with a Montgomery

594
00:42:10,293 --> 00:42:13,632
property in blue shaded and blue kind of right in

595
00:42:13,632 --> 00:42:18,272
the middle of this map. So the City of Longwamp

596
00:42:18,272 --> 00:42:21,152
proposes to acquire a permanent non - exclusive easement over

597
00:42:21,173 --> 00:42:25,552
approximately 400 square feet or about 0. 009 acres of

598
00:42:25,573 --> 00:42:28,832
the Montgomery Property to construct a bore entry point for

599
00:42:28,853 --> 00:42:34,192
emergency overflow of the city's Montgomery Tank Water Tank Replacement

600
00:42:34,373 --> 00:42:39,003
Project. So here's a closer in view. And what you're

601
00:42:39,003 --> 00:42:42,043
looking at here is the City Long wants existing water

602
00:42:42,083 --> 00:42:45,643
tank is that white circle up the north, um, the

603
00:42:45,664 --> 00:42:48,283
new facility is going to be constructed to the east

604
00:42:48,323 --> 00:42:51,643
of that, um, on property that the City of Longmont

605
00:42:51,643 --> 00:42:56,941
owns, which is north of the County's Montgomery property. This

606
00:42:57,202 --> 00:43:00,221
slide is a design slide as a preliminary design of

607
00:43:00,722 --> 00:43:03,901
the, um, project. And again, the white circle is the

608
00:43:03,901 --> 00:43:06,221
existing tank and the dark gray one is the replacement

609
00:43:06,322 --> 00:43:08,861
tank that's going to be constructed. And I show you

610
00:43:08,882 --> 00:43:11,501
this because on the bottom, middle of that slide, you

611
00:43:11,522 --> 00:43:14,621
see that kind of black line. That's the pipeline that's

612
00:43:14,621 --> 00:43:18,941
going to run under highway 66 and the outfall pipe

613
00:43:18,941 --> 00:43:25,506
is going to, um, be on the Montgomery property. Here

614
00:43:25,506 --> 00:43:29,266
is an exhibit of the piece, the 400 square foot

615
00:43:29,527 --> 00:43:32,286
piece. And then on the right, you see the, um,

616
00:43:33,607 --> 00:43:36,926
I've superimposed that roughly where that outfile will be. And

617
00:43:36,926 --> 00:43:40,626
it will be, um, as part of this facility, the

618
00:43:40,807 --> 00:43:45,106
City of Longmont plans to construct this buried emergency tank

619
00:43:45,127 --> 00:43:50,706
overflow pipeline and associated outfall infrastructure. And they are going

620
00:43:50,706 --> 00:43:53,826
to install this, um, via trenchless war method. And they

621
00:43:53,826 --> 00:43:57,506
are doing all their work on foot onto the County

622
00:43:57,506 --> 00:43:59,746
property. Um, so they won't be bringing any equipment on

623
00:44:00,327 --> 00:44:04,946
there. Um, the approximate area where this is buried is

624
00:44:04,986 --> 00:44:08,946
like I said, is about 400 square feet. The outfall

625
00:44:08,986 --> 00:44:11,906
has been designed per state regulations to convey for a

626
00:44:11,946 --> 00:44:15,266
potential emergency overflow of the new storage tank that's going

627
00:44:15,266 --> 00:44:18,626
to be constructed. While this emergency overflow is a required

628
00:44:18,807 --> 00:44:22,226
project design element per state requirements, the City of Longwent

629
00:44:22,247 --> 00:44:25,906
doesn't anticipate conveying any significant flows through the overflow pipeline

630
00:44:26,247 --> 00:44:33,501
and outfall outside of an emergency event. Municipalities have condemnation

631
00:44:33,541 --> 00:44:36,141
authority over Boulder County. So the county is legally unable

632
00:44:36,141 --> 00:44:39,649
to prevent this project. Again, Boulder County prefers to cooperate

633
00:44:39,910 --> 00:44:43,649
informally with entities with condemnation authority and in these instances

634
00:44:43,830 --> 00:44:47,249
negotiate fair compensation rather than a full formal condemnation process

635
00:44:47,590 --> 00:44:51,169
that is more costly and time consuming for everybody. The

636
00:44:51,209 --> 00:44:54,129
City of Longweight is cooperative in meeting staff's request designed

637
00:44:54,129 --> 00:44:57,089
to protect and preserve the open space interests, minimize site

638
00:44:57,089 --> 00:45:01,649
disturbances and provide reclamation standards to the extent practicable and

639
00:45:01,649 --> 00:45:04,689
the, uh, the walk - on requirement came from our

640
00:45:04,710 --> 00:45:09,729
work groups, um, requesting that long minimize their impact when

641
00:45:10,070 --> 00:45:15,388
they're boring this pipeline. Or pipe. The city is also

642
00:45:15,388 --> 00:45:19,228
required to provide just compensation for this taking, um, accordingly

643
00:45:19,489 --> 00:45:24,028
the City and the County of negotiated five, The County

644
00:45:24,049 --> 00:45:25,868
agrees this is a fair market value of the property

645
00:45:26,209 --> 00:45:29,569
being taken. The terms of the resolution to create the

646
00:45:29,590 --> 00:45:31,889
sales text that was used to purchase a property require

647
00:45:31,990 --> 00:45:35,009
specific procedures to be followed, to dispose of this easement,

648
00:45:35,009 --> 00:45:38,849
which include notification of nearby property owners and notice of

649
00:45:38,870 --> 00:45:42,449
upcoming, um, this hearing and the Boarda County Commissioners Public

650
00:45:42,489 --> 00:45:45,409
Hearing on this matter is being published in the official

651
00:45:45,590 --> 00:45:51,859
newspapers. These notices include an invitation to attend tonight and

652
00:45:51,859 --> 00:45:55,779
a comment, um, at this meeting, one member did contact

653
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:59,139
me and expressed objection that the City of Longmont was

654
00:45:59,139 --> 00:46:02,499
citing the new facility on their property just to the

655
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:07,459
east. Um, if the permanent easement is approved by the

656
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,719
commissioners, there is a mandatory 60 day waiting period, um,

657
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:15,855
prior to the convenience of this easement. Staff support the

658
00:46:15,956 --> 00:46:18,495
requested easement to the City of Longmont for the use

659
00:46:18,535 --> 00:46:21,215
that I've just described because the city has condemnation authority

660
00:46:21,236 --> 00:46:24,575
over Boulder County. Therefore, I am requesting recommendation to the

661
00:46:24,676 --> 00:46:27,615
Boulder County Commissioners for approval of the disposition of the

662
00:46:27,876 --> 00:46:33,446
easement. Request, as I've just described. Happy to answer questions.

663
00:46:34,027 --> 00:46:37,686
Trace Baker Posack. Thank you. Um, do we have anybody

664
00:46:37,867 --> 00:46:41,926
in the, um, hearing room who wants to comment on

665
00:46:41,966 --> 00:46:49,656
this particular taking. Next, we have somebody online. Oh, just

666
00:46:49,696 --> 00:46:51,896
give a chance for anybody on the Zoom webinar to

667
00:46:51,917 --> 00:46:53,656
use the raise hand feature if they want to make

668
00:46:53,757 --> 00:47:00,637
comments. I don't see any raised hands. Thank you, Nick.

669
00:47:00,637 --> 00:47:06,397
So POSAC questions or comments for Tina? Yes. Ariel Barbariaki.

670
00:47:06,397 --> 00:47:07,837
Hi. I have a question. Would you mind going back

671
00:47:08,258 --> 00:47:10,917
a few slides to the one this one? Yeah. I

672
00:47:10,917 --> 00:47:13,197
think this is a scale thing. It is a scale

673
00:47:13,237 --> 00:47:16,597
thing with making sure where the, yeah, it's going to

674
00:47:16,738 --> 00:47:20,397
go under and it may not be exactly there. Okay.

675
00:47:20,578 --> 00:47:22,717
Trying to kind of put it roughly where there exhibits

676
00:47:22,757 --> 00:47:28,123
are. They're still in a design. Phase. Of finalizing the

677
00:47:28,123 --> 00:47:30,363
exact shape and all that. But it's roughly where it's

678
00:47:30,363 --> 00:47:32,563
going to be. Okay. And it will be underground. So

679
00:47:32,563 --> 00:47:35,563
they'll just be sort of an outfall. Okay. So it

680
00:47:35,603 --> 00:47:38,123
won't be an above ground thing. Okay. Thank you. That

681
00:47:38,163 --> 00:47:43,673
was my question. Uh, Jeff Oddi Posack. So this is

682
00:47:44,094 --> 00:47:50,669
an emergency outfall. Something. I don't. So what, what's like

683
00:47:50,669 --> 00:47:53,069
the function of this? Like if there was like some

684
00:47:53,069 --> 00:47:55,789
sort of emergency where there was too much water in

685
00:47:55,789 --> 00:47:57,629
the tank, then it would come out of this thing

686
00:47:58,130 --> 00:48:02,029
into the, into the open space? Yes. Not being an

687
00:48:02,029 --> 00:48:05,469
engineer. That is my understanding from the city and from,

688
00:48:05,469 --> 00:48:07,869
from what we've heard is that it's the states requiring

689
00:48:08,210 --> 00:48:12,269
it. And again, it must be some emergency release area.

690
00:48:12,269 --> 00:48:16,189
If yeah, there's maybe a failure in the tank somehow.

691
00:48:16,189 --> 00:48:21,219
I don't know. Okay. Follow - up question. Just, just

692
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:28,873
curious. It sounds like the County doesn't, it's sort of

693
00:48:28,873 --> 00:48:33,473
obligated to honor this request because this city of Longminht

694
00:48:33,494 --> 00:48:38,033
can force it essentially in terms of like the taking

695
00:48:38,073 --> 00:48:44,033
of the land, I wonder. It seems odd that they

696
00:48:44,134 --> 00:48:46,833
can take the land. Like, can they take the land

697
00:48:47,254 --> 00:48:51,153
and then also like discharge, you know, water from this

698
00:48:51,153 --> 00:48:54,753
tank onto the lamb? Like is that part of their,

699
00:48:54,753 --> 00:49:02,103
uh, condemnation power? Um. Their condemnation power, my understanding involves

700
00:49:02,124 --> 00:49:04,263
the taking of the property interests. And in this case,

701
00:49:04,444 --> 00:49:06,983
it's a, it's an easement. They're not going to take

702
00:49:07,023 --> 00:49:10,103
the fee piece of that parcel. Um, as for the

703
00:49:10,364 --> 00:49:14,503
discharge, I'm guessing because it's a state regulation that somehow

704
00:49:15,324 --> 00:49:18,823
that's wrapped into their ability to do it. I honestly

705
00:49:18,823 --> 00:49:24,948
don't know the. Legal justification for that. That's a great

706
00:49:24,948 --> 00:49:28,093
question. I'd like to know. I'll probably find out. Christine.

707
00:49:30,098 --> 00:49:37,037
Johnson Posack. Um, I'm not sure how to express this

708
00:49:37,218 --> 00:49:45,277
question precisely. But, um, I'm concerned about, um, uh, silt

709
00:49:45,378 --> 00:49:49,117
entering the creek, um, during the construction or during any

710
00:49:49,138 --> 00:49:57,197
potential discharge, um, the county, um, being responsible for whatever,

711
00:49:57,298 --> 00:50:02,157
whatever impacts, um, that has, do you, does the county

712
00:50:02,157 --> 00:50:05,917
have, um, any control over or, or input into this

713
00:50:06,018 --> 00:50:11,904
process to protect the waterway. I don't know the answer

714
00:50:12,085 --> 00:50:14,544
to that question. I know, I know. I wish I

715
00:50:14,544 --> 00:50:17,724
knew it all. I don't. If the one in the

716
00:50:17,724 --> 00:50:23,904
room that knows the answer, I don't know. I am

717
00:50:24,005 --> 00:50:29,584
assuming that because, um, and I believe the Longmont has

718
00:50:29,584 --> 00:50:33,904
gone through a 1041 process for this. So all those

719
00:50:34,405 --> 00:50:40,826
considerations have been addressed. But it wasn't part of our,

720
00:50:40,826 --> 00:50:44,906
um, analysis and working with them on this takings piece.

721
00:50:45,862 --> 00:50:50,778
Sorry. Thank you. Thank you, Vicky. Thank you, Lawrence Pozak.

722
00:50:50,778 --> 00:50:52,138
So I think this is another question you don't know

723
00:50:52,178 --> 00:50:53,578
the answer to, but I'm going to ask it anyway.

724
00:50:53,599 --> 00:51:01,738
Um, sorry. So right. So I mean, you're not expecting

725
00:51:01,839 --> 00:51:04,698
this to get used. Fine. But if it does get

726
00:51:04,879 --> 00:51:07,418
used, how much water? I mean, is there should there

727
00:51:07,458 --> 00:51:09,978
be an issue that they should have an outflow like

728
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:12,618
rocky area or something so it's not making a huge

729
00:51:13,039 --> 00:51:16,360
gouging gorge across the property. Or are they just assuming

730
00:51:16,461 --> 00:51:19,000
it'll never be used? So they're not thinking beyond the

731
00:51:19,021 --> 00:51:22,603
end of the pipe. You're right. I don't know the

732
00:51:22,643 --> 00:51:25,403
answer. I can, I can either, I believe the pipe

733
00:51:25,443 --> 00:51:29,749
is 36 inches. It's pretty big. Yeah. Um, and I'm

734
00:51:29,770 --> 00:51:33,589
guessing that's what the state regulations are requiring for the

735
00:51:33,610 --> 00:51:36,689
tank of the size that they're going to build. Um,

736
00:51:37,290 --> 00:51:40,309
and, but my understanding is that there should be little

737
00:51:40,349 --> 00:51:45,029
to no water coming out of that outside of an

738
00:51:45,029 --> 00:51:48,389
emergency event. And the, that emergency event is presumably some

739
00:51:48,389 --> 00:51:51,411
kind of failure of the tank. Vicky Lawrence with pose

740
00:51:51,432 --> 00:51:55,171
again. Um, just so would that mean that if there

741
00:51:55,211 --> 00:51:58,691
were then damage to this property due to excessive outflow

742
00:51:59,032 --> 00:52:01,491
and erosion and that kind of thing would Longmont be

743
00:52:01,491 --> 00:52:05,131
responsible for that? Or would the county be responsible? My

744
00:52:05,131 --> 00:52:09,784
assumption would be Longmont. Ariel Barberia Gabe, even if it's

745
00:52:09,784 --> 00:52:11,624
not within the point of the easement, like even if

746
00:52:11,624 --> 00:52:14,824
it's past the easement, the damage occurs not with it.

747
00:52:14,864 --> 00:52:16,424
It will, it would be past the easement because the

748
00:52:16,424 --> 00:52:19,144
easement's 400 square feet. So really. So yeah, but that

749
00:52:19,144 --> 00:52:22,344
would be how would they be liable for how? Because

750
00:52:22,344 --> 00:52:25,064
it would be their water. Yeah. Okay. It would be

751
00:52:25,165 --> 00:52:34,428
their infrastructure. Lauren. Uh, Lauren Kelso. I guess I'm a

752
00:52:34,428 --> 00:52:36,348
little bit curious about what the next step is here

753
00:52:36,449 --> 00:52:38,188
because I mostly would just voice that I think a

754
00:52:38,188 --> 00:52:40,188
lot of these concerns are valid that like in case

755
00:52:40,228 --> 00:52:42,988
of emergency, it would only happen. We have emergencies all

756
00:52:42,988 --> 00:52:44,748
the time as you all are well aware. So I

757
00:52:44,748 --> 00:52:48,308
feel like it's what is the process for kind of

758
00:52:48,308 --> 00:52:50,588
having those addressed before we would vote on something like

759
00:52:50,628 --> 00:52:55,228
this. Cause I mean, I mean, I could, I could.

760
00:52:55,832 --> 00:52:58,531
Ask all those questions of our contact of the City

761
00:52:58,632 --> 00:53:02,931
along wasnt their engineering firm. You mentioned, thanks. Yeah. You

762
00:53:02,971 --> 00:53:05,491
also mentioned some, uh, and it might just be not

763
00:53:05,512 --> 00:53:07,651
familiar with the process that you mentioned that the city

764
00:53:07,691 --> 00:53:10,211
would have gone through already around, was it an environmental

765
00:53:11,272 --> 00:53:15,171
assessment? Or is it 1041 review? And I'm, I'm not

766
00:53:15,171 --> 00:53:18,691
from community permitting planning. So I can't speak to the,

767
00:53:18,691 --> 00:53:22,451
um, totality of that process. But it's a pretty robust

768
00:53:23,432 --> 00:53:26,531
review process that, that the City of Lawn One has

769
00:53:26,531 --> 00:53:29,987
gone through. Got it. And I could find the docket

770
00:53:29,987 --> 00:53:32,707
for that and get it to you, but not right

771
00:53:32,728 --> 00:53:38,608
now. Any other post sack comments or questions. I don't

772
00:53:38,629 --> 00:53:44,448
see any and remind Posec that our recommendations to the

773
00:53:44,869 --> 00:53:48,768
County Commissioners are non - binding. So if we vote

774
00:53:48,949 --> 00:53:54,208
to disapprove, uh, you know, that's unlikely to, uh, it'll

775
00:53:54,208 --> 00:53:57,375
send a message, but it won't stop the project. Yeah.

776
00:53:57,375 --> 00:54:05,267
Carol. Carol Byerly Pozak. But this process may be, um,

777
00:54:05,788 --> 00:54:08,887
lets you know what commissioners might be asking and that

778
00:54:08,927 --> 00:54:11,927
you might want to be ready for those. And that

779
00:54:11,927 --> 00:54:15,367
we could recommend that you prepare for those kinds of

780
00:54:15,708 --> 00:54:19,447
questions when you present it to the commission. It will

781
00:54:19,487 --> 00:54:23,024
likely have a City of Longwent Representative at the. Mar

782
00:54:23,125 --> 00:54:29,379
Carol. That's it. John, your hand was up. Well. I

783
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:34,499
like her at her response better than I think. Yeah.

784
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:38,879
Cause rather than postponing it to the next meeting, um,

785
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:43,139
if we approve it with a caveat, that you guys

786
00:54:43,720 --> 00:54:48,739
get more information about our liability in case that there

787
00:54:48,779 --> 00:54:51,859
is some kind of, you know, wash through or whatever.

788
00:54:52,315 --> 00:54:55,574
Okay. Is that okay to do? Uh, if you so

789
00:54:55,614 --> 00:54:59,334
move, yes. But let's, let's wait until we're undiscussing. Jeff.

790
00:54:59,793 --> 00:55:02,652
Oh, I think that kind of answers the question ask.

791
00:55:05,191 --> 00:55:09,410
Okay. So we do, we have a, uh, motion regarding

792
00:55:09,751 --> 00:55:19,100
the City of Longmong City of Longmont taking. Carol Byrly

793
00:55:19,121 --> 00:55:22,060
Pozak. I will move, um, approval of this with the

794
00:55:22,081 --> 00:55:31,880
recommendation, not requirement for contenctions on, on emergency, um,

795
00:55:32,321 --> 00:55:36,812
water and who would be responsible for the liability. We

796
00:55:36,852 --> 00:55:41,132
have a second. I second that. Second. So, um, POSAC,

797
00:55:41,132 --> 00:55:43,052
we need a vote. All those in favor of the

798
00:55:43,073 --> 00:55:49,772
motion as stated by Carol say aye. Aye. Aye. Anybody

799
00:55:50,113 --> 00:55:57,203
disapproving. Okay. The motion carries unanimously. And thank you, Tina.

800
00:55:57,243 --> 00:56:00,243
Thank you. I'm going to get the slide deck ready

801
00:56:00,283 --> 00:56:04,003
for Michael. And I apologize for, um, putting you in

802
00:56:04,003 --> 00:56:06,483
a bad place as far as staying for the meeting.

803
00:56:06,664 --> 00:56:10,479
It's, Oh, no, no, no problem. Let's see. We're here.

804
00:56:30,668 --> 00:56:34,407
Hello, Bozak. My name is Michael Sylvester. I also work

805
00:56:34,447 --> 00:56:37,667
for the real estate division of Parks and OpenSpace. And

806
00:56:37,667 --> 00:56:40,887
today I am presenting on the Woodley Conservation Easement CDOT

807
00:56:40,887 --> 00:56:48,104
Taking. This disposition affects the Woodley Conservation Easeman Property, which

808
00:56:48,104 --> 00:56:51,784
is located just east of Arapaho in 75th Street in

809
00:56:51,784 --> 00:56:58,128
the Southeastern part of the County. CDOT is requesting the

810
00:56:58,309 --> 00:57:01,008
disposition of a strip of land on the Woodley Conservation

811
00:57:01,269 --> 00:57:05,248
Eastman property due to its highway seven multimodal chloridor project.

812
00:57:05,647 --> 00:57:08,586
Highway 7 is locally known around here as a Rapajo

813
00:57:08,607 --> 00:57:13,223
Road. Our stretch of this project consists of a highway

814
00:57:13,324 --> 00:57:20,378
widening for congestion and safety purposes. The property has an

815
00:57:20,418 --> 00:57:24,458
address of 7957 Arapaho Road and has been owned by

816
00:57:24,719 --> 00:57:28,378
Chris and Jennifer Anderson since 2015. The County purchased a

817
00:57:28,418 --> 00:57:30,858
conservation Eastman over the property from the City of Boulder

818
00:57:31,439 --> 00:57:38,843
in 2006. The subject of the taking is a 0.

819
00:57:38,864 --> 00:57:43,243
09 acre strip along the southern edge of the property.

820
00:57:43,243 --> 00:57:45,803
One C dot and the Andersons agree upon a final

821
00:57:45,984 --> 00:57:49,003
valuation. The County is entitled to its share of the

822
00:57:49,184 --> 00:57:53,163
condemnation proceeds, which represent the value of its conservation easement

823
00:57:53,264 --> 00:58:00,847
interest. On that 0. 09 acres. The terms of the

824
00:58:00,948 --> 00:58:03,567
resolution to create the sales tax that was used to

825
00:58:03,607 --> 00:58:08,047
purchase this conservation easement interest requires specific procedures to be

826
00:58:08,148 --> 00:58:11,727
followed to dispose of the property and trust. Notice was

827
00:58:11,767 --> 00:58:14,687
mailed to the 14 property owners within 500 feet of

828
00:58:14,868 --> 00:58:17,967
the property. Notice of this meeting as well as the

829
00:58:18,068 --> 00:58:21,247
June 9th Board of County Commissioners Public Hearing was published

830
00:58:21,668 --> 00:58:25,407
in local newspapers this week. So far no public comments

831
00:58:25,447 --> 00:58:29,666
have been received. A 60 day waiting period, uh, following

832
00:58:30,167 --> 00:58:32,546
the Board of County Commissioners hearing is required before the

833
00:58:32,647 --> 00:58:35,826
conveyance could potentially be finalized to allow the public to

834
00:58:35,927 --> 00:58:40,306
petition the request the disposition to be submitted for a

835
00:58:40,306 --> 00:58:50,137
public vote. CDOT has condemnation authority over Boulder County. So

836
00:58:50,137 --> 00:58:53,537
the county is legally unable to prevent this project and

837
00:58:53,537 --> 00:58:57,457
acquisition. The County perverts to cooperate informally with entities with

838
00:58:57,558 --> 00:59:02,737
condemnation authority in these instances. Uh, to negotiate a fair

839
00:59:02,758 --> 00:59:06,497
compensation rather than go through the full formal condemnation process.

840
00:59:08,991 --> 00:59:14,650
Staff recommends the approval of CDOTS acquisitions of fee title

841
00:59:14,650 --> 00:59:19,050
to the 0. 09 acres of property described. The action

842
00:59:19,071 --> 00:59:22,170
requested by staff is to recommend the approval to the

843
00:59:22,271 --> 00:59:26,250
Board of County Commissioners of the Partial Release of 0.

844
00:59:26,290 --> 00:59:30,090
09 acres of the Woodley Conservation Easement, as I have

845
00:59:30,130 --> 00:59:34,069
just described. I'm happy to answer any questions. Thank you,

846
00:59:34,109 --> 00:59:39,429
Michael. Do we have anybody in the audience who is

847
00:59:39,429 --> 00:59:45,396
wanting to discuss this particular taking. I don't see anybody.

848
00:59:45,396 --> 00:59:49,872
Nick, do we have anybody online. Uh, anybody on the

849
00:59:49,872 --> 00:59:52,192
Zoom webinar, if you want to make comments, use the

850
00:59:52,232 --> 00:59:56,826
Raise Hand feature so I can call on you. I

851
00:59:56,826 --> 00:59:58,586
know we had someone signed up, but I've not seen

852
00:59:58,687 --> 01:00:01,699
them in the webinar. So I don't see any hands

853
01:00:01,739 --> 01:00:05,819
raised. Okay. Thank you, Nick. Um, post that comments. I

854
01:00:05,819 --> 01:00:12,232
see Vicky. Vicky Lord's Poseck. Thank you, Michael. Um, this

855
01:00:12,653 --> 01:00:15,192
is maybe not a totally relevant question, but I'm hoping

856
01:00:15,213 --> 01:00:17,912
you can clarify for me. It would seem as though

857
01:00:18,893 --> 01:00:23,512
only a conservationist stops development. So I guess this is

858
01:00:23,552 --> 01:00:25,112
seen as development, whether it has to be a taking

859
01:00:25,133 --> 01:00:28,472
on this. I mean, I guess I was surprised since

860
01:00:28,472 --> 01:00:31,272
we don't actually own the property that we're having to

861
01:00:31,272 --> 01:00:35,606
give up an easement. Does that make sense? That question

862
01:00:35,606 --> 01:00:39,406
at all. I think so. Um, I would say that

863
01:00:39,907 --> 01:00:45,806
we are not able to, well, we're not able to

864
01:00:45,907 --> 01:00:49,966
prevent this project from going forward. And the taking that

865
01:00:50,387 --> 01:00:53,966
it requires since the taking would be happening. We do

866
01:00:54,006 --> 01:00:58,286
need to release the conservation easement as it covers that

867
01:00:58,387 --> 01:01:03,486
portion. Um, you're right in that probably the conservation easement,

868
01:01:03,486 --> 01:01:07,486
uh, could prevent development. But since we can prevent the

869
01:01:07,587 --> 01:01:10,526
condemnation and this project from happening, we do need to

870
01:01:10,627 --> 01:01:14,366
release the conservation easement as it applies to this strip

871
01:01:14,406 --> 01:01:18,046
of the property. That makes sense. I hadn't thought that

872
01:01:18,046 --> 01:01:22,512
all the way through. There questions or comments from Posack.

873
01:01:23,010 --> 01:01:26,989
Yeah. Jeff Oddi Pozak, just curious. Um, the other two

874
01:01:27,490 --> 01:01:32,509
taking proposals had a dollar amount attacked attached to them.

875
01:01:32,509 --> 01:01:35,069
Uh, for like how much we would get for the

876
01:01:35,170 --> 01:01:37,389
easement. So I'm just curious. It's like why this one

877
01:01:37,650 --> 01:01:40,269
doesn't. I think in the materials that we had before

878
01:01:40,450 --> 01:01:43,949
the meeting had said that's still under negotiation. So just

879
01:01:43,989 --> 01:01:49,469
wondering like why, I don't know what's that difference. Sure.

880
01:01:49,570 --> 01:01:53,209
Um, right now we have an initial appraisal amount, but

881
01:01:53,209 --> 01:01:56,329
since they haven't actually settled on a final amount, uh,

882
01:01:56,530 --> 01:01:59,789
C dot and the property owner. We don't have that

883
01:02:01,010 --> 01:02:03,149
ultimate amount. We have the amount that C dot has

884
01:02:03,170 --> 01:02:07,149
appraised the property for, which I do have numbers available

885
01:02:07,570 --> 01:02:10,189
if you'd like to see those, but essentially since we

886
01:02:10,210 --> 01:02:14,269
are going to get a share from whatever is ultimately

887
01:02:14,370 --> 01:02:19,549
negotiated between CDOT and then the property owner, um, we

888
01:02:20,530 --> 01:02:23,055
did not speak to us specific amount. At this time.

889
01:02:26,956 --> 01:02:32,055
Lauren Kelso. I have one question, which is once we

890
01:02:32,156 --> 01:02:35,895
release this easement, if C dot chooses to do something

891
01:02:36,076 --> 01:02:40,055
else with that property, and just the general public comment

892
01:02:40,076 --> 01:02:43,415
about people that support this as long as it's used

893
01:02:43,676 --> 01:02:47,175
as intended. Um, where there's a design that's been proposed

894
01:02:47,276 --> 01:02:50,055
through CDOT through a bigger project that's happening for that

895
01:02:50,236 --> 01:02:55,015
Arapo corridor. Um, we don't really have any say in

896
01:02:55,015 --> 01:02:59,335
that, I'm assuming. Basically once we release this easement, whatever

897
01:02:59,516 --> 01:03:02,935
happens to that property and that project is not anything

898
01:03:02,975 --> 01:03:10,377
that Boulder County would have any say over. There are

899
01:03:10,377 --> 01:03:13,597
some really specific things in the design, right? That are

900
01:03:13,637 --> 01:03:18,717
around multimodal transportation. And like not turning it into a

901
01:03:18,738 --> 01:03:21,677
four lane highway and other things, right? Where I think,

902
01:03:21,717 --> 01:03:23,597
I think those details are kind of important in this

903
01:03:23,597 --> 01:03:26,877
one. So I'm just wondering if there's any reason to

904
01:03:26,898 --> 01:03:28,717
hold on to it until all of that is very

905
01:03:28,757 --> 01:03:32,317
clear. Um, or if, if we want to engage in

906
01:03:32,357 --> 01:03:36,812
that in that way. I think my response would be

907
01:03:36,852 --> 01:03:41,852
that since CDOT has condemnation authority in the first place,

908
01:03:41,852 --> 01:03:46,412
I'm not sure that keeping the conservation easement really changes

909
01:03:46,513 --> 01:03:53,030
our position over preventing CDOTS ability to condemn. The property

910
01:03:54,171 --> 01:03:58,710
and do potentially other things. Um, right now they do

911
01:03:58,750 --> 01:04:02,150
have a pretty large multimodal project, which as I mentioned

912
01:04:02,331 --> 01:04:06,911
stretches from, you know, here to City of Brighton. Yeah.

913
01:04:07,252 --> 01:04:10,191
I can really only go based on the plans that

914
01:04:10,212 --> 01:04:15,068
they have currently submitted. So because of, and I feel

915
01:04:15,068 --> 01:04:17,388
like this is maybe a little redundant to earlier questions,

916
01:04:17,388 --> 01:04:19,868
but I just want to be clear. The whole condemnation

917
01:04:20,129 --> 01:04:23,708
language makes this all sort of a formality. Is that

918
01:04:24,769 --> 01:04:28,988
right? That's essentially right. We can't really prevent the condemnation,

919
01:04:28,988 --> 01:04:32,428
but it's because condemnations are technically a disposition that we

920
01:04:32,468 --> 01:04:36,988
do need to, um, bring dispositions in front of post

921
01:04:37,009 --> 01:04:41,153
sac. Interesting. There's lawyer lingering behind you. Hi everyone. My

922
01:04:41,153 --> 01:04:43,913
name is Rhyme Malarkey. I'm an assistant County Attorney. I

923
01:04:43,913 --> 01:04:45,633
thought I'd just jump in real quick since we're talking

924
01:04:45,814 --> 01:04:50,833
condemnation. Um, yeah, I mean, basically these condemning entities have

925
01:04:51,014 --> 01:04:56,993
authority to take property, um, for legitimate public purposes, like

926
01:04:57,014 --> 01:05:00,993
building roads. Um, so C dot in this instance has

927
01:05:01,334 --> 01:05:05,073
the authority to take property it needs from this particular

928
01:05:05,334 --> 01:05:08,913
property owner for its road improvement project. And it looks

929
01:05:08,913 --> 01:05:12,193
like here it's 0. 09 acres. So relatively small strip

930
01:05:12,214 --> 01:05:18,033
of land. Um, if we were to be involved in

931
01:05:18,694 --> 01:05:22,333
a condemnation litigation process like a lawsuit over this. And

932
01:05:22,333 --> 01:05:24,513
it went all the way to trial. What happens is

933
01:05:25,014 --> 01:05:27,953
the court at the end would decide what the fair

934
01:05:27,993 --> 01:05:31,713
market value with the just compensation is that should go

935
01:05:31,753 --> 01:05:36,433
to the property owner, the fee owner, um, and then

936
01:05:36,614 --> 01:05:41,713
based on that dollar amount, every other entity or person

937
01:05:41,814 --> 01:05:44,913
or party that has an interest in that particular stretch

938
01:05:44,953 --> 01:05:48,673
of property would all work together to decide what portion

939
01:05:48,713 --> 01:05:52,833
of that chunk of money should go to each property

940
01:05:52,934 --> 01:05:57,073
interest holder. So if, um, this strip is condemned and

941
01:05:57,113 --> 01:06:00,753
we have a conservationisement. We are owed a percentage of

942
01:06:00,854 --> 01:06:04,993
whatever that lump sum is, whatever that just compensation is,

943
01:06:04,993 --> 01:06:07,829
um, that goes to the property owner. So that's kind

944
01:06:07,829 --> 01:06:11,909
of generally how the process works. And staff here in

945
01:06:11,909 --> 01:06:15,989
the county, uh, works with these condomining entities, these authorities

946
01:06:16,330 --> 01:06:18,849
rather than going all the way through that process. Try

947
01:06:18,849 --> 01:06:21,669
and get to some agreement that on a fair value

948
01:06:21,690 --> 01:06:23,749
that would come to the county. And it sounds like

949
01:06:23,770 --> 01:06:27,939
that's what Michael and staff are still negotiating. But I

950
01:06:27,979 --> 01:06:30,899
know the other questions. So I'm happy to answer them.

951
01:06:31,779 --> 01:06:35,198
If you have any. I do. Ariel Barbier Game Poseck.

952
01:06:35,198 --> 01:06:37,358
Are you able to speak to a previous item that

953
01:06:37,379 --> 01:06:40,420
we discussed before you were here. Well, we're just on

954
01:06:40,420 --> 01:06:43,380
this one now. Okay. Is that like a later? Forgive

955
01:06:43,380 --> 01:06:45,500
me. I'm new. I'm just trying to learn here. Is

956
01:06:45,500 --> 01:06:48,660
that a later question? Let's stick with the, uh, agenda

957
01:06:49,081 --> 01:06:51,460
and get a plater if we can. Okay. Thank you.

958
01:06:54,457 --> 01:06:56,276
I'll stay here in case. Okay. Thank you very much.

959
01:06:57,348 --> 01:07:02,838
Okay. Christine. Christine Johnson Posack. This is a point of

960
01:07:03,179 --> 01:07:09,398
information. Michael, since you broach the topic, um, the multimodal

961
01:07:09,398 --> 01:07:12,598
project is starting from where and going to where do

962
01:07:12,619 --> 01:07:18,015
you happen to know that. Um, it is going, I

963
01:07:18,015 --> 01:07:21,495
know that I believe it actually starts on 75th Street.

964
01:07:21,495 --> 01:07:24,535
So it's starting just west of this property. And it

965
01:07:24,535 --> 01:07:27,095
goes to the City of Brighton. I'm not exactly sure.

966
01:07:28,145 --> 01:07:30,524
As it leaves the county, what the project looks like.

967
01:07:31,564 --> 01:07:36,591
Thank you. Any other questions, comments from Poseck is John

968
01:07:36,852 --> 01:07:38,751
White Bosack. Do you know when this is supposed to

969
01:07:38,751 --> 01:07:42,424
happen. I don't mean the condemnation. I mean, the road

970
01:07:42,685 --> 01:07:48,018
widening. That is a good question. I'm actually not sure

971
01:07:48,279 --> 01:07:52,138
exactly when, um, this project is supposed to start. I

972
01:07:52,138 --> 01:07:59,779
apologize. Anything else. Well in May we have a motion

973
01:07:59,880 --> 01:08:08,823
to approve this taking. Javae some moved. And second. John

974
01:08:08,924 --> 01:08:12,583
White second, uh, we have motion and second. All those

975
01:08:12,604 --> 01:08:20,616
in favor. Aye. Opposed. So we have a unanimous recommendation

976
01:08:20,957 --> 01:08:23,416
to approve this to the County Commissioners. Thank you, Michael.

977
01:08:25,075 --> 01:08:25,454
Thank you.

978
01:08:59,453 --> 01:09:07,887
Pretty. Nice. Maybe another 2013 flood.

979
01:09:17,740 --> 01:09:21,150
It's a fun. Logo. I'm ready when you are. Okay.

980
01:09:21,190 --> 01:09:24,020
Go ahead. Thank you. Good evening. Poc sack. I am

981
01:09:24,201 --> 01:09:26,820
Hannah Hipley. I am the long range planning division manager

982
01:09:27,241 --> 01:09:31,984
at Boulder County's Community Planning and Permitting Department. That's a

983
01:09:31,984 --> 01:09:35,478
mouthful. I am here today to share a high level

984
01:09:35,579 --> 01:09:41,370
overview of the Boulder Valley Comprehensive Plan with you. As

985
01:09:41,410 --> 01:09:45,149
an item for your information. Um, the Boulder Valley comprehensive

986
01:09:45,250 --> 01:09:50,989
plan kicked off about 20 months ago at the later,

987
01:09:50,989 --> 01:09:57,081
um, in 2024. And we are at the end of

988
01:09:57,121 --> 01:10:01,035
this process. Uh, the plan recommended plan has been published.

989
01:10:01,576 --> 01:10:06,675
We have hereings, uh, with the four approval bodies scheduled,

990
01:10:06,675 --> 01:10:10,073
um, just around the corner. So I'm excited to present

991
01:10:10,094 --> 01:10:12,746
this to you today. We are going to do kind

992
01:10:12,746 --> 01:10:14,906
of a high level overview. There's a lot of information

993
01:10:15,167 --> 01:10:17,706
in this plan and it can't possibly hit it all

994
01:10:17,706 --> 01:10:19,866
with you today. I'm going to try and highlight some

995
01:10:19,866 --> 01:10:22,746
of the things that might be of, you know, greater

996
01:10:22,767 --> 01:10:28,162
interest to the open space board. Before I dive in,

997
01:10:28,202 --> 01:10:31,362
I do want to note that staff from parks in

998
01:10:31,362 --> 01:10:34,702
open space were involved in this process all the way

999
01:10:34,983 --> 01:10:40,802
along Justin Atherton Wood and Juliet Bonel acted as primary

1000
01:10:40,823 --> 01:10:44,882
subject matter experts from Parks and OpenSpace throughout this process.

1001
01:10:46,632 --> 01:10:51,571
Um, reviewing various iterations of policies and maps and occasionally

1002
01:10:51,912 --> 01:10:55,891
working directly with staff, uh, open space and mountain parks

1003
01:10:55,912 --> 01:10:57,391
at the City at Boulder. So there is a lot

1004
01:10:57,391 --> 01:11:01,331
of collaboration in cross - pollination as we do these

1005
01:11:01,512 --> 01:11:04,671
plans. Um, I cannot do all of this alone. And

1006
01:11:04,671 --> 01:11:07,251
I had lots of subject matter experts around the county

1007
01:11:07,672 --> 01:11:13,995
to help me. Um. So moving forward, uh, I'm not

1008
01:11:14,035 --> 01:11:17,115
quite sure how familiar you are with the Boulder Valley

1009
01:11:17,155 --> 01:11:19,115
Comprehensive Plan. So I'm just going to stop here for

1010
01:11:19,155 --> 01:11:22,075
a minute. Um, and talk a little bit about how

1011
01:11:22,115 --> 01:11:26,075
this plan relates to the Boulder County comprehensive plan. Excuse

1012
01:11:26,075 --> 01:11:30,465
me. Can I ask a question? Yes. Carol Byerly POSEC.

1013
01:11:30,505 --> 01:11:33,345
Are you with the County, the Broadder County or with

1014
01:11:33,345 --> 01:11:37,025
our Parks and OpenSpace? I am with the county's community

1015
01:11:37,046 --> 01:11:40,785
planning in okay. Yes. We have our own planning. Yes,

1016
01:11:40,785 --> 01:11:43,585
exactly. Okay. But the larger one. Okay. Thank you. You're

1017
01:11:43,585 --> 01:11:51,255
welcome. Um, sorry. Just my train of thought. Um, yes,

1018
01:11:51,255 --> 01:11:52,375
I was going to talk here a little bit about

1019
01:11:52,396 --> 01:11:56,135
how this Boulder Rally comprehensive plan relates to the Boulder

1020
01:11:56,236 --> 01:12:01,415
County Comprehensive Plan. So the Boulder County Comprehensive Plan covers

1021
01:12:01,436 --> 01:12:06,375
the geographic area of the entire county. The Boulder Valley

1022
01:12:06,396 --> 01:12:10,375
Comprehensive Plan has a smaller geographic footprint being the City

1023
01:12:10,375 --> 01:12:13,815
of Boulder in the lands immediately adjacent to the City

1024
01:12:13,855 --> 01:12:18,630
of Boulder within the defined boundary. Um. And we use

1025
01:12:18,670 --> 01:12:20,710
both of them at the same time when we're working

1026
01:12:20,811 --> 01:12:23,990
in the unincorporated areas of the Boulder Valley. So they

1027
01:12:23,990 --> 01:12:27,190
are layered on top of each other. They're Boulder Valley

1028
01:12:27,230 --> 01:12:31,350
Comprehensive Plan is the city's primary planning document. It's their

1029
01:12:31,531 --> 01:12:36,690
comprehensive plan. Um, so it's very detailed on a lot

1030
01:12:36,690 --> 01:12:41,670
of city items, less detailed on some of the County

1031
01:12:41,710 --> 01:12:46,023
items, um, for instance. There's a lot of detail in

1032
01:12:46,044 --> 01:12:48,583
the city about the future land use map, less level

1033
01:12:48,583 --> 01:12:52,503
of detail in the unincorporated County. Um, and it's primary

1034
01:12:52,524 --> 01:12:55,943
purpose has been to coordinate growth of the city with

1035
01:12:56,044 --> 01:13:00,663
the county over time. And also coordinate with the county

1036
01:13:01,084 --> 01:13:03,543
on cross jurisdictional issues. There are a lot of things

1037
01:13:03,583 --> 01:13:06,663
that don't stop at the City line. We know that.

1038
01:13:06,663 --> 01:13:10,263
Um, so the comprehensive plan offers us a way to

1039
01:13:11,404 --> 01:13:14,183
develop guidelines about how we're going to do things in

1040
01:13:14,183 --> 01:13:21,725
the valley. Before we go further, I just wanted to

1041
01:13:21,725 --> 01:13:24,365
give you an idea of what the county's open space

1042
01:13:24,466 --> 01:13:28,765
looks like within the Boulder Valley Planning area. The planning

1043
01:13:28,765 --> 01:13:33,592
area is shown here in purple. That's the outline. Um,

1044
01:13:33,613 --> 01:13:36,872
and then the three different colors are County where we

1045
01:13:36,872 --> 01:13:39,672
have County related open space. So there is some fee

1046
01:13:39,693 --> 01:13:45,432
ownership in the Boulder Valley planning area. Um, the more

1047
01:13:46,733 --> 01:13:49,992
conservation easement than anything else where we have an interest.

1048
01:13:49,992 --> 01:13:53,352
And then there is some joint city County Municipal Open

1049
01:13:53,373 --> 01:14:00,094
Space. If you look at this entire map and saw

1050
01:14:00,094 --> 01:14:03,094
all of the open space that has been preserved, if

1051
01:14:03,094 --> 01:14:04,974
we add it in the open space and Mountain Parks

1052
01:14:04,995 --> 01:14:08,814
layer, um, kind of void between the city of Boulder

1053
01:14:09,075 --> 01:14:12,574
and the purple line would fill in substantially. So the

1054
01:14:12,595 --> 01:14:16,894
County interests and ownership are in open space within this

1055
01:14:16,934 --> 01:14:20,779
area. They are not insignificant, but rather small compared to

1056
01:14:20,920 --> 01:14:27,937
what open space and Mountain Parks manages. Um, so going

1057
01:14:28,118 --> 01:14:32,897
into this, we did have a few major goals. This

1058
01:14:33,158 --> 01:14:36,737
plan is not an edited version of the current plan.

1059
01:14:36,737 --> 01:14:40,817
So it really was a refresh or rethink. And so

1060
01:14:40,998 --> 01:14:46,577
there have been, um, big structural changes primarily. We had

1061
01:14:46,617 --> 01:14:49,857
some goals in mind. And these were to simplify the

1062
01:14:49,897 --> 01:14:53,910
plan. Making it easier to read and understand, remove some

1063
01:14:53,910 --> 01:14:57,510
of the redundancy and repetitiveness, um, try to get to

1064
01:14:57,531 --> 01:15:02,390
some more straightforward and easily understandable language in hopes that

1065
01:15:02,430 --> 01:15:04,950
the plan would be clearer to people and more people

1066
01:15:04,971 --> 01:15:08,863
would be able to engage with it. Part of this

1067
01:15:09,124 --> 01:15:13,583
effort included making the plan less prescriptive, removing details about

1068
01:15:13,844 --> 01:15:18,623
how things are going to be accomplished. Um, by setting

1069
01:15:18,623 --> 01:15:21,343
the content at the plan of the plan at the

1070
01:15:21,383 --> 01:15:24,463
right level, having it be about setting direction and giving

1071
01:15:24,724 --> 01:15:29,263
guidance without being overly rigid or limiting and how ideas

1072
01:15:29,263 --> 01:15:31,983
might come to life allows the plan to stay relevant

1073
01:15:32,484 --> 01:15:38,331
and adaptable to changing conditions, needs technologies and priorities. It's

1074
01:15:38,371 --> 01:15:41,691
a little bit of walking the line between being action

1075
01:15:41,691 --> 01:15:45,131
- oriented in the plan and aspirational as the plan

1076
01:15:45,171 --> 01:15:48,251
should act as our compass moving forward while also trying

1077
01:15:48,291 --> 01:15:56,702
to point us towards concrete steps. Okay. So I'm going

1078
01:15:56,702 --> 01:15:58,862
to dive into kind of the overview of the plan

1079
01:15:58,963 --> 01:16:04,622
itself. Um, chapter one provides an introduction and overview of

1080
01:16:04,662 --> 01:16:07,982
the plan process. It provides some history of planning and

1081
01:16:07,982 --> 01:16:11,486
the Boulder Valley over the past 50 years. And provides

1082
01:16:11,667 --> 01:16:17,462
a community snapshot in trends information that was, um. Really

1083
01:16:17,643 --> 01:16:20,822
reflecting our existing conditions work that was completed in the

1084
01:16:20,923 --> 01:16:27,115
winter of 2024. Chapter two establishes the planned vision and

1085
01:16:27,155 --> 01:16:30,075
values, which was that work was completed in the spring

1086
01:16:30,115 --> 01:16:34,235
of 2025. Um, there are also feature topics that provide

1087
01:16:34,416 --> 01:16:38,235
more depths on a variety of, um, subjects, including open

1088
01:16:38,256 --> 01:16:41,087
space. There's a feature on open space in there. Um,

1089
01:16:42,708 --> 01:16:46,207
the vision statement is a direct statement. And there are

1090
01:16:46,247 --> 01:16:50,127
values spelled out that align with the city's adopted sustainability,

1091
01:16:50,127 --> 01:16:57,778
equity, and resilience framework. Diving into chapter three. This builds

1092
01:16:57,778 --> 01:17:00,418
on the groundwork of the previous chapters and is really

1093
01:17:00,418 --> 01:17:02,658
where we start to get into the kind of heart

1094
01:17:02,658 --> 01:17:10,732
of the plan with the policies. There are 104 policies

1095
01:17:10,833 --> 01:17:14,812
in this plan. Um, and they provide guidance and direction

1096
01:17:14,852 --> 01:17:18,652
for achieving the plan's vision. We attempted to have them

1097
01:17:19,233 --> 01:17:25,292
be clear, limit redundancy, conflicts and complexity. Our existing policies

1098
01:17:25,393 --> 01:17:28,332
were evaluated through a series of reviews with subject matter

1099
01:17:28,513 --> 01:17:33,412
experts to identify policies that could be edited, combined, or

1100
01:17:33,412 --> 01:17:37,932
removed. Um, the current plan has 210 policies. So we

1101
01:17:37,972 --> 01:17:41,520
were able to reduce the number quite a bit. We

1102
01:17:41,621 --> 01:17:44,720
wanted to plan to be simple, making it easier to

1103
01:17:44,741 --> 01:17:48,859
read and understandable for more people. So policies were written

1104
01:17:48,880 --> 01:17:51,259
with an eye towards achieving a 10th grade reading level.

1105
01:17:53,112 --> 01:17:55,651
And then in order for the plan to be resilient,

1106
01:17:55,691 --> 01:17:58,611
keeping the policies on an appropriate level of detail to

1107
01:17:58,872 --> 01:18:02,051
guide decisions without limiting options as conditions change.

1108
01:18:09,460 --> 01:18:12,479
In this chapter, we find the planning areas map in

1109
01:18:12,519 --> 01:18:19,279
policies. Um, the planning areas map reflects the longstanding framework

1110
01:18:19,300 --> 01:18:22,719
of the Boulder Valley comprehensive plan. It really defines where

1111
01:18:22,900 --> 01:18:26,399
the city might grow where they might annex land and

1112
01:18:26,399 --> 01:18:29,396
where they will not. Um, and this is really the

1113
01:18:29,497 --> 01:18:33,796
heart of shaping the Boulder Valley's characters. We know it

1114
01:18:33,796 --> 01:18:37,236
today with Boulder being a compact city surrounded by open

1115
01:18:37,276 --> 01:18:47,048
space and rural lands. Chapter four covers the

1116
01:18:47,309 --> 01:18:51,743
future land use strategy. And includes the future land use

1117
01:18:51,844 --> 01:18:56,419
map. And this is an area where we, um, do

1118
01:18:56,419 --> 01:18:59,459
see significant change from the current plan as the Land

1119
01:18:59,499 --> 01:19:06,108
Juice designations in the maps have been reimagined. This is

1120
01:19:06,449 --> 01:19:10,828
a spread from the plan and it shows how the

1121
01:19:10,868 --> 01:19:14,108
new land use designations have been developed. There's a series

1122
01:19:14,108 --> 01:19:23,522
of classifications and the different designations within each classification. Neighborhoods

1123
01:19:23,623 --> 01:19:26,962
are urban residential areas differentiated by the scale of development

1124
01:19:27,303 --> 01:19:30,945
and mix of uses. Hubs are mixed use urban centers

1125
01:19:30,945 --> 01:19:35,656
that range and scale and expectations for activity. Special purpose.

1126
01:19:36,849 --> 01:19:39,948
Maybe speaks for itself, but represents areas where community assets

1127
01:19:39,969 --> 01:19:44,828
are opportunities are unique and, um, reflect governance and economic

1128
01:19:44,849 --> 01:19:49,488
needs of the city. The systems classification are areas that

1129
01:19:49,528 --> 01:19:55,568
make up the framework of habitat, recreation areas, agricultural activity,

1130
01:19:55,568 --> 01:19:58,528
um, and this is where we find the open space

1131
01:19:58,709 --> 01:20:03,988
designation within that systems classification. Rural lands are those unincorporated

1132
01:20:04,009 --> 01:20:07,188
areas where the future of the land uses are driven

1133
01:20:07,209 --> 01:20:11,028
by County Planning and Zoning. Um, as I mentioned earlier,

1134
01:20:11,028 --> 01:20:13,908
the Boulder Valley comprehensive plan does not undertake a fine

1135
01:20:14,089 --> 01:20:17,968
grain future land use planning in the rural areas. And

1136
01:20:17,968 --> 01:20:21,088
so this is the future is really guided by, um,

1137
01:20:21,529 --> 01:20:29,615
county zoning in place at the time. Open space, the

1138
01:20:29,615 --> 01:20:33,475
open space designation, a big change, I think, in this

1139
01:20:33,515 --> 01:20:38,515
plan. There were three designations that were combined into one

1140
01:20:38,776 --> 01:20:43,395
open space definition. So the open space acquired open space

1141
01:20:43,435 --> 01:20:48,595
development rights in open space other were simplified into this

1142
01:20:48,776 --> 01:20:52,915
open space designation. In this reflex, um, city open space

1143
01:20:53,896 --> 01:20:56,115
and county open space. They all fall into that same

1144
01:20:56,296 --> 01:21:00,995
designation that highlights preservation of these lands in accordance with,

1145
01:21:00,995 --> 01:21:04,572
um, sort of city charter and our tax. That funds

1146
01:21:04,612 --> 01:21:09,937
the purchase of open space. So future land uses in

1147
01:21:09,937 --> 01:21:12,657
those areas are really going to be guided by how

1148
01:21:12,697 --> 01:21:15,471
they were purchased in those goals. For from those programs.

1149
01:21:19,730 --> 01:21:21,629
Again, this just shows you the map I showed you

1150
01:21:21,629 --> 01:21:24,269
earlier. So the lands designated on this map would be

1151
01:21:24,690 --> 01:21:29,483
fall into that open space category. And this is the

1152
01:21:29,504 --> 01:21:35,803
entire future land use map. It's designed to show the

1153
01:21:36,384 --> 01:21:39,883
overall framework for development and change across the Boulder Valley

1154
01:21:40,304 --> 01:21:44,843
reflecting the community vision in principles. Um, rather than focusing

1155
01:21:44,864 --> 01:21:49,643
on individual parcels, it highlights neighborhood scale patterns and how

1156
01:21:49,643 --> 01:21:52,923
different parts of the community connect. It's meant to guide

1157
01:21:53,104 --> 01:22:02,228
decisions, provide clarity for future development and remain flexible. Um,

1158
01:22:02,889 --> 01:22:07,348
I think we went from 26 designations down to 12.

1159
01:22:07,348 --> 01:22:12,068
So the map does reflect the effort to simplify some

1160
01:22:12,068 --> 01:22:20,084
of these land use designations. Chapter five is a discussion

1161
01:22:20,084 --> 01:22:23,044
on the implementation measures on the plan and then six

1162
01:22:23,145 --> 01:22:29,312
is a necessary glossary of terms. So while the plan

1163
01:22:29,333 --> 01:22:33,312
looks different than it used to, um, the foundations from

1164
01:22:33,352 --> 01:22:37,792
the original planning efforts, um, really domain the goal is

1165
01:22:37,832 --> 01:22:41,872
really still remains a compact community surrounded by rural lands

1166
01:22:41,893 --> 01:22:45,632
and open space protection of those open lands, natural systems

1167
01:22:45,893 --> 01:22:50,752
and scenic vistas. The support for strong neighborhoods in a

1168
01:22:50,752 --> 01:22:56,272
sense of place leading and climate environmental stewardship and continuing

1169
01:22:56,293 --> 01:22:58,912
the efforts of collaboration between the city and the county.

1170
01:23:03,368 --> 01:23:06,387
But there were new ideas and areas of emphasis brought

1171
01:23:06,427 --> 01:23:11,053
into this plan. Um. The city and the community assembly

1172
01:23:11,093 --> 01:23:13,853
did a lot of, um, work on developing ideas around

1173
01:23:14,034 --> 01:23:18,493
15 minute neighborhoods. Um, there's been some advancements. There are

1174
01:23:18,533 --> 01:23:22,253
new ideas around housing supply and diversity and how to

1175
01:23:22,274 --> 01:23:25,533
achieve that within this city. Um, some thoughts about what

1176
01:23:25,714 --> 01:23:29,933
a ninth economy might look like local agriculture and food

1177
01:23:29,954 --> 01:23:32,173
system. So the things on this list, I'm not going

1178
01:23:32,173 --> 01:23:33,933
to read them all to you, but kind of some

1179
01:23:33,954 --> 01:23:40,571
newer ideas in the plan. Just to give you a

1180
01:23:40,571 --> 01:23:43,931
quick set of next steps, we do kick off the

1181
01:23:44,192 --> 01:23:48,411
planning, or I'm sorry, public hearings, uh, on the plan

1182
01:23:49,152 --> 01:23:53,051
June 4th with City and Council City Council and City

1183
01:23:53,091 --> 01:23:55,771
Planning Board are going to have a joint public hearing.

1184
01:23:55,771 --> 01:23:58,651
Um, our board of County Commissioners and County Planning Commission

1185
01:23:58,992 --> 01:24:02,971
will also do the same. So those two, uh, hearings

1186
01:24:03,072 --> 01:24:04,971
will give a chance for us to review the plan

1187
01:24:05,392 --> 01:24:08,011
and for those boards to hear from the public during

1188
01:24:08,032 --> 01:24:12,171
the public hearing portion. After those each board goes into

1189
01:24:12,192 --> 01:24:17,531
their own deliberative, uh, meeting where they will discuss and

1190
01:24:17,571 --> 01:24:21,851
vote on the recommended plan. So for June 16th is

1191
01:24:22,032 --> 01:24:26,091
city planning board followed by County Planning Commission on the

1192
01:24:26,192 --> 01:24:29,691
17th. And then both the board at County Commissioners and

1193
01:24:29,872 --> 01:24:39,535
City Council will deliberate on June 25th. That concludes my

1194
01:24:39,575 --> 01:24:42,815
presentation for you. I can field any questions you might

1195
01:24:42,815 --> 01:24:45,375
have or take any comments. Thank you, Hannah. And because

1196
01:24:45,476 --> 01:24:48,255
this is an information topic, we will not be taking

1197
01:24:48,676 --> 01:24:54,175
public input at this time. But, uh, POSAC, what questions

1198
01:24:54,436 --> 01:24:59,813
come? And John. This is a niche. But when you

1199
01:24:59,834 --> 01:25:04,853
were showing the detailed stuff with the county, the area,

1200
01:25:04,853 --> 01:25:07,573
the Spanish Hills neighborhood just south of South Boulder Road

1201
01:25:07,834 --> 01:25:12,053
was labeled rural as opposed to neighborhood. What's the difference.

1202
01:25:13,226 --> 01:25:17,445
It's a good question. Um, the neighborhood designation is going

1203
01:25:17,485 --> 01:25:21,565
to be a lot more urban in its design. If

1204
01:25:21,565 --> 01:25:24,885
you look in that land use designation, it has sort

1205
01:25:24,885 --> 01:25:27,285
of different set of expectations than we would see for

1206
01:25:27,306 --> 01:25:34,645
a rural subdivisions, um, probably a greater density expectations around

1207
01:25:34,746 --> 01:25:38,405
higher levels of transit, things like developed curb and gutter

1208
01:25:38,586 --> 01:25:42,805
and stormwater. Um, so it's just a really different feel.

1209
01:25:42,805 --> 01:25:45,605
So these would be bigger, bigger lots, for example. Yes.

1210
01:25:45,786 --> 01:25:49,845
And usually often in the unincorporated County, we're talking about

1211
01:25:49,946 --> 01:25:55,605
subdivisions developed around wells and septic systems, not. But it

1212
01:25:55,605 --> 01:26:00,725
is a sum of the areas where the city may

1213
01:26:01,146 --> 01:26:06,085
annex in on incorporated Boulder County. Those are designated for

1214
01:26:06,346 --> 01:26:11,011
a neighborhood. Do you have a neighborhood designation. Which reflects

1215
01:26:11,051 --> 01:26:13,731
the fact that if the City of Boulder ever annexed

1216
01:26:13,731 --> 01:26:19,476
into those areas, it would have a similar neighborhood. Future.

1217
01:26:20,692 --> 01:26:24,790
As other city, um, neighbor existing neighborhoods. Okay. Thank you.

1218
01:26:25,291 --> 01:26:33,099
Sure. Carol. Carol Byerly POSAC. Thank you for your presentation.

1219
01:26:33,099 --> 01:26:35,339
And I really think it's great to go from 210

1220
01:26:35,379 --> 01:26:38,859
policies to 104 policies. Too bad you couldn't have gotten

1221
01:26:38,859 --> 01:26:42,379
it to 100. Uh, we started there. We really did.

1222
01:26:43,280 --> 01:26:47,499
Um, so my question is whether the university is included

1223
01:26:47,600 --> 01:26:52,244
in this planning process. Um, the City of Boulder does

1224
01:26:52,284 --> 01:26:58,097
have a number of. Actually a variety of entities that

1225
01:26:58,097 --> 01:27:00,337
they've done quite a bit of coordination with throughout this

1226
01:27:00,358 --> 01:27:04,177
process. And definitely the city, um, was it entity that

1227
01:27:04,217 --> 01:27:08,837
I know they worked with. The university in the, because

1228
01:27:08,837 --> 01:27:11,797
it's an engine of growth. It's just a growth engine.

1229
01:27:11,797 --> 01:27:15,797
And I wondered if it has taken policies or something

1230
01:27:16,298 --> 01:27:21,381
like these, um, utilities. But I can't answer that question.

1231
01:27:21,381 --> 01:27:28,275
Can't answer that. Okay. Well, thank you. South campus. And

1232
01:27:28,275 --> 01:27:34,843
the other Jeff Oddy. Jeff, go ahead. Hi, Zach. We're

1233
01:27:34,883 --> 01:27:36,803
a little ahead of schedule. So I'm just going to

1234
01:27:36,803 --> 01:27:43,142
like indulge my curiosity here. Like what. How, um, how

1235
01:27:43,163 --> 01:27:48,502
is like the comprehensive plan used on a practical level,

1236
01:27:48,502 --> 01:27:50,882
you know, like once you develop it, how do you

1237
01:27:50,923 --> 01:27:54,342
sort of put it into practice? What is it govern

1238
01:27:54,683 --> 01:28:01,956
and who uses it. That's a great question. Um. Who

1239
01:28:01,956 --> 01:28:05,956
uses it? I think it's a pretty long list. Yeah,

1240
01:28:05,956 --> 01:28:08,516
I'm sure. Um, I know staff use it at our

1241
01:28:08,516 --> 01:28:11,236
level members of the public might use it to see

1242
01:28:12,697 --> 01:28:15,956
what might happen around town going on, you know, into

1243
01:28:15,956 --> 01:28:18,676
the future. So it might set expectations for the public.

1244
01:28:20,161 --> 01:28:22,460
You know, property owners who want to do development might

1245
01:28:22,641 --> 01:28:26,780
use it. City Council might use it in refer to

1246
01:28:26,780 --> 01:28:30,060
it when they're doing planning on all sorts of things.

1247
01:28:30,060 --> 01:28:36,060
Um, including capital improvements and directing departments in their jurisdiction

1248
01:28:36,100 --> 01:28:38,780
to work on different projects. So I think it is

1249
01:28:39,041 --> 01:28:46,991
used really from the top down. Follow up question. It's

1250
01:28:46,991 --> 01:28:54,432
curious about the land use. Map. What governs those land

1251
01:28:54,432 --> 01:29:01,706
use designations? Is it like a zoning thing or. Currently.

1252
01:29:03,486 --> 01:29:06,265
Let's see how to best answer this question. The future

1253
01:29:06,366 --> 01:29:08,905
land use map I would look at and think about

1254
01:29:08,926 --> 01:29:13,199
it as a guide for where maybe we're going. Right?

1255
01:29:13,540 --> 01:29:20,972
Zoning is a current situation. Um, and they don't necessarily,

1256
01:29:20,972 --> 01:29:25,445
they're not necessarily the same. So there might be zoning

1257
01:29:25,626 --> 01:29:30,325
changes that better reflect what the comprehensive plan direction is

1258
01:29:30,365 --> 01:29:34,908
giving. Um, so once a current static state and one

1259
01:29:34,908 --> 01:29:39,468
is a sort of a future tense. Yeah. So I

1260
01:29:39,468 --> 01:29:43,068
guess maybe what I'm what I'm asking here is the

1261
01:29:43,169 --> 01:29:47,148
vision for future use that we're looking for on this

1262
01:29:47,249 --> 01:29:51,468
map. Um, is like an ideal state.

1263
01:29:59,963 --> 01:30:02,102
Am I making sense here? I don't. Yeah. I guess

1264
01:30:02,283 --> 01:30:06,135
I don't know if you what ideal necessarily means. It.

1265
01:30:06,135 --> 01:30:07,615
Or like this is this is where we sort of

1266
01:30:07,615 --> 01:30:11,575
like hope to get through a variety of means. Yes.

1267
01:30:11,596 --> 01:30:15,495
Okay. Yeah. But it's not necessarily like this is how

1268
01:30:15,535 --> 01:30:18,455
it's going to be. It's sort of a vision for

1269
01:30:18,716 --> 01:30:22,375
how things might be. Right. Okay. Yeah. And I think

1270
01:30:22,396 --> 01:30:25,815
there's a lot of flexibility in what the final, you

1271
01:30:25,815 --> 01:30:28,295
know, what, what the city might look like in 20

1272
01:30:28,295 --> 01:30:32,295
years under the same plan, um, based on a variety

1273
01:30:32,396 --> 01:30:38,475
of decisions is probably pretty wide. There's a lot of

1274
01:30:38,576 --> 01:30:43,714
factors. Into how this actually gets realized. Okay. So just

1275
01:30:43,975 --> 01:30:47,554
to, and I hope, hopefully I'm not dominating that conversation

1276
01:30:47,575 --> 01:30:50,594
here, but just looking at like the areas, the green

1277
01:30:50,634 --> 01:30:54,354
areas of parks and open space here. So these are

1278
01:30:54,455 --> 01:30:59,234
not areas that are currently all designated for Parks and

1279
01:30:59,274 --> 01:31:02,914
OpenSpace. These are areas that we're hoping to acquire for

1280
01:31:03,175 --> 01:31:05,774
Parks and OpenSpace. Now you're getting to a little bit

1281
01:31:05,774 --> 01:31:09,794
more of the subtleties of this map because the open

1282
01:31:09,834 --> 01:31:15,158
space on the map is actually open space currently. And

1283
01:31:15,179 --> 01:31:20,895
we expect it to stay open space. Cool. Thank you.

1284
01:31:22,596 --> 01:31:26,895
Joan. Joan, let's pose act. So, but this would guide

1285
01:31:27,316 --> 01:31:31,535
the zoning map. It very well could. Um, not extremely

1286
01:31:31,716 --> 01:31:35,535
familiar with cities owning. Um, so I couldn't tell you

1287
01:31:36,116 --> 01:31:38,175
sort of what things might need to change in order

1288
01:31:38,215 --> 01:31:44,304
to implement. Let's say, a regional hub. But yes, this

1289
01:31:44,325 --> 01:31:47,424
provides the vision for our community and zoning as a

1290
01:31:47,424 --> 01:31:56,021
tool of implementation. Uh, Ariel Barberie, gay postak, just, uh,

1291
01:31:56,062 --> 01:31:58,601
can you confirm this is non binding, right? This is

1292
01:31:58,601 --> 01:32:01,481
just like for the fourth time now we've asked you

1293
01:32:01,481 --> 01:32:02,921
to confirm this, but I just want to make sure

1294
01:32:02,921 --> 01:32:07,321
I'm understanding. This is like the representation of what the

1295
01:32:07,422 --> 01:32:10,041
plan and the vision is, but the implementation of that

1296
01:32:10,081 --> 01:32:14,041
is up to whichever like different arms of the government

1297
01:32:14,542 --> 01:32:18,681
or city, County level, choose to do, correct? Right. Okay.

1298
01:32:18,681 --> 01:32:20,441
Okay. Thank you. Um, for instance, let's just talk about

1299
01:32:20,622 --> 01:32:25,081
zoning real quickly. If there were zoning changes say changes

1300
01:32:25,121 --> 01:32:29,881
to the city zoning code, um, that would have its

1301
01:32:29,881 --> 01:32:37,567
own public process. Right. So. Tray Baker Posack, I want

1302
01:32:37,588 --> 01:32:40,367
to follow up to one thing that, uh, Jeff had

1303
01:32:40,407 --> 01:32:47,887
asked very often when staff makes a presentation, uh, two

1304
01:32:47,927 --> 01:32:53,087
post hack, they will reference the comprehensive plan as guidance

1305
01:32:54,948 --> 01:33:00,888
for what they're planning on doing. And Hannah then, um,

1306
01:33:01,169 --> 01:33:06,908
one of my questions is that, uh, do you expect

1307
01:33:07,169 --> 01:33:12,428
changes to the plan to drive or influence any modifications

1308
01:33:12,609 --> 01:33:18,268
to how, uh, Boulder County Parks and Open Space Managers,

1309
01:33:18,268 --> 01:33:28,007
its properties. That's a really good question. And I don't,

1310
01:33:28,047 --> 01:33:34,188
I don't think so. Okay. Um, the Boulder Valley comprehensive

1311
01:33:34,209 --> 01:33:38,819
plan is really. Intended to be aligned. And with the

1312
01:33:39,080 --> 01:33:43,219
Boulder County comprehensive plan. So there shouldn't be divergence in

1313
01:33:43,240 --> 01:33:48,872
goals. Okay. Thank you. Any other post - it discussion

1314
01:33:48,912 --> 01:33:53,871
on this topic. Okay. Hannah, thank you very, very much.

1315
01:33:53,911 --> 01:33:57,266
Thank you. I appreciate the interest and the questions.

1316
01:34:19,341 --> 01:34:28,544
Good evening, Perzak. All right. I think we're good. Um,

1317
01:34:28,565 --> 01:34:30,624
my name is Jarrett Roberts. I think I've met many

1318
01:34:30,624 --> 01:34:32,144
of you. It's nice to meet a couple of new

1319
01:34:32,144 --> 01:34:36,124
faces. Um, I am our community amenities deputy director. Um,

1320
01:34:36,325 --> 01:34:39,984
at Parkstandon Space 104 Deputy Directors, I oversee the community

1321
01:34:40,245 --> 01:34:43,904
amenities branch, which includes our trails, trailheads, signs, fairgrounds, youth

1322
01:34:43,944 --> 01:34:46,503
core, things like that. Um, I'm here tonight to talk

1323
01:34:46,543 --> 01:34:49,803
to you about alternating use. Which is a pilot project.

1324
01:34:49,803 --> 01:34:52,203
We were, uh, requested to look into. And we'll go

1325
01:34:52,203 --> 01:34:54,723
through. This is just an informational. So I'll kind of

1326
01:34:54,723 --> 01:34:56,843
bring us up to speed, um, talk about where we're

1327
01:34:56,843 --> 01:34:58,923
at and what the next steps are and then answer

1328
01:34:58,923 --> 01:35:02,363
any questions again. Um, so purpose, like I just said,

1329
01:35:02,384 --> 01:35:04,923
um, provide an update on where we're at and then

1330
01:35:04,923 --> 01:35:09,063
talk through what the next steps coming up. Are. So

1331
01:35:09,103 --> 01:35:11,703
the project overview, um, this is meant to be in

1332
01:35:11,743 --> 01:35:16,183
a community informed pilot. And we're looking at testing alternating

1333
01:35:16,364 --> 01:35:19,623
trailles. And the goal is really to understand visitor experience

1334
01:35:19,804 --> 01:35:24,842
and feasibility. Um, when we say alternating use, we mean

1335
01:35:24,882 --> 01:35:27,642
assigning days and times for hiking, biking equestrian. So the

1336
01:35:27,642 --> 01:35:31,322
type of use. This is a pilot. So short term

1337
01:35:31,343 --> 01:35:35,882
reversible. We were given some constraints, which included no construction,

1338
01:35:35,882 --> 01:35:41,464
no permanent changes at this point. What alternating use means?

1339
01:35:41,464 --> 01:35:44,824
So schedule times and days before specific activities. So single

1340
01:35:44,864 --> 01:35:48,184
trail, different uses on that. It applies only to existing

1341
01:35:48,525 --> 01:35:51,784
multi - use trails. So if you have, um, alternating

1342
01:35:51,885 --> 01:35:54,324
use, you would take a trail that's multi - use

1343
01:35:54,324 --> 01:35:57,304
and allow different uses at different times potentially. Um, and

1344
01:35:57,325 --> 01:36:00,184
we were not asked to explore new parallel trails, permanent

1345
01:36:00,205 --> 01:36:04,164
designation changes, um, or changes to hiking only trails. Um,

1346
01:36:04,365 --> 01:36:06,504
that being said, we were told that this point in

1347
01:36:06,504 --> 01:36:08,904
this phase to explore with the community and get community

1348
01:36:08,944 --> 01:36:12,598
input on this project. One of the questions that's come

1349
01:36:12,598 --> 01:36:15,558
up through this is why are we considering alternate use?

1350
01:36:15,558 --> 01:36:18,758
So we have 140 plus miles of trail 124 of

1351
01:36:18,758 --> 01:36:21,478
those are open to bikes. Um, and we have as

1352
01:36:21,478 --> 01:36:25,798
1. 7 million visits this past year. Um, and that

1353
01:36:25,798 --> 01:36:27,478
means that we're seeing a lot of visitors in our

1354
01:36:27,478 --> 01:36:30,278
system. We've heard a lot of feedback through different channels

1355
01:36:30,779 --> 01:36:34,598
us and other parts of the county from those that

1356
01:36:34,638 --> 01:36:38,532
are not using the trails. Um, we've been asked to

1357
01:36:38,633 --> 01:36:41,652
evaluate community ideas and feedback and interest on the topic.

1358
01:36:41,652 --> 01:36:44,692
So again, at this point we're just exploring the topic.

1359
01:36:44,692 --> 01:36:47,092
And we're really looking to explore of alternating use could

1360
01:36:47,092 --> 01:36:50,692
address, um, things like visitor experience. So again, at this

1361
01:36:50,692 --> 01:36:52,932
point, it's just getting the input. That's what we've been

1362
01:36:52,972 --> 01:36:56,344
doing. To do that, we've run, I guess before that

1363
01:36:56,384 --> 01:36:59,624
I'll do a little background. So we have visitor studies

1364
01:36:59,624 --> 01:37:01,384
that we do on a five year basis. And then

1365
01:37:01,384 --> 01:37:04,144
we also do an annual study. And from those, we

1366
01:37:04,144 --> 01:37:07,544
know that hiking is the most popular, uh, use across

1367
01:37:07,645 --> 01:37:14,824
the system. We know that there's high biking use of

1368
01:37:14,864 --> 01:37:17,944
potassium, Ohio and Hal. We know that conflicts are in

1369
01:37:17,944 --> 01:37:20,424
frequent system white. They're about four percent. But within those

1370
01:37:20,525 --> 01:37:24,664
conflicts drivers are often speed and narrow trails and yielding

1371
01:37:24,704 --> 01:37:28,063
confusion. Um, and all these are online, all the reports.

1372
01:37:29,009 --> 01:37:32,808
So when we are requested to explore this topic, uh,

1373
01:37:33,089 --> 01:37:36,268
we put together a community engagement plan, um, this is

1374
01:37:36,369 --> 01:37:38,588
guided by a new process through the County called the

1375
01:37:38,849 --> 01:37:42,348
Community Engagement Framework. We started this very early to help

1376
01:37:43,809 --> 01:37:46,908
to help shape the pilot. So the purpose of this

1377
01:37:47,169 --> 01:37:51,068
phase is to really explore, get community input. Um, the

1378
01:37:51,329 --> 01:37:55,068
two main outcomes of this guided community engagement framework. We're

1379
01:37:55,068 --> 01:37:56,828
to do an online survey that we ran from April

1380
01:37:57,009 --> 01:38:00,028
20th to May 19th. And then we were originally going

1381
01:38:00,028 --> 01:38:03,468
to do one open house. But through community feedback decided

1382
01:38:03,468 --> 01:38:05,868
to do two, to allow different dates and different locations.

1383
01:38:09,111 --> 01:38:12,610
So we ran the survey, which closed May 19th about

1384
01:38:12,610 --> 01:38:16,164
10 days ago. Um, we got about 7, 500 responses,

1385
01:38:16,164 --> 01:38:20,244
which were very excited. Um, again, we wanted community input.

1386
01:38:20,244 --> 01:38:21,244
And so we're thrilled that there was a lot of

1387
01:38:21,305 --> 01:38:23,924
passion ideas and thoughts out there. And we captured a

1388
01:38:23,924 --> 01:38:26,324
lot of those. We also ran those two open houses

1389
01:38:26,364 --> 01:38:29,135
where we had about 300 plus attendances. Um, we have

1390
01:38:29,396 --> 01:38:31,855
a lot of data. That's to give you an idea

1391
01:38:32,036 --> 01:38:35,855
through things like prayer run. We've collected around 1200 responses.

1392
01:38:35,855 --> 01:38:38,575
So this is a big data set that we got.

1393
01:38:38,575 --> 01:38:40,415
Um, we're going through, we typically like to go through

1394
01:38:40,596 --> 01:38:42,475
and clean that up to make sure that there's not

1395
01:38:42,596 --> 01:38:46,175
any comments about Jarrett smells funny or something. We would

1396
01:38:46,175 --> 01:38:49,775
typically redact the staff's name. Or if someone came in

1397
01:38:49,775 --> 01:38:52,255
and said, Hey, I really support this or don't support

1398
01:38:52,295 --> 01:38:54,815
this and get back to me. And here's my email.

1399
01:38:54,815 --> 01:38:56,335
We would typically take that out of what we as

1400
01:38:56,335 --> 01:39:00,224
the County Post online. Um, so cleaning up the data,

1401
01:39:00,224 --> 01:39:03,244
getting ready. We plan with all of our data, um,

1402
01:39:03,525 --> 01:39:05,264
with the visitor studies and these. We plan to share

1403
01:39:05,264 --> 01:39:07,024
that data publicly. So we're trying to get that ready

1404
01:39:07,205 --> 01:39:08,784
in a report. And we share all the raw data

1405
01:39:08,885 --> 01:39:10,464
again, except for those things that we talk about taking

1406
01:39:10,504 --> 01:39:14,455
out. And we're planning to do that in late June,

1407
01:39:14,455 --> 01:39:16,455
early July at the latest. So we're, we're working hard

1408
01:39:16,476 --> 01:39:22,849
to get that done. That data is meant to inform,

1409
01:39:22,849 --> 01:39:24,529
uh, the pilots. And so as we start thinking about

1410
01:39:24,630 --> 01:39:28,929
what pilot alternatives are things could be, some considerations were

1411
01:39:28,929 --> 01:39:33,969
taking into account. Are that community feedback? Um, visitor experience,

1412
01:39:33,969 --> 01:39:36,609
visitor comprehension and ease. We, you know, we, we want

1413
01:39:36,649 --> 01:39:39,329
this to be an implementable plan. And then operational feasibility.

1414
01:39:41,762 --> 01:39:44,221
So the next steps, again, I mentioned, we're cleaning up

1415
01:39:44,261 --> 01:39:47,501
that engagement data and getting ready to pose that. We

1416
01:39:47,922 --> 01:39:52,841
anticipate presenting this community input feasibility in operational considerations, um,

1417
01:39:52,962 --> 01:39:54,941
to the county commissioners. And we actually just found out

1418
01:39:54,981 --> 01:39:57,621
we have a work session set for June 30th. So

1419
01:39:57,621 --> 01:39:59,421
that is one more planning on bringing that forward to

1420
01:39:59,461 --> 01:40:01,981
the commissioners. And then we plan on giving you regular

1421
01:40:02,021 --> 01:40:05,661
updates through these monthly post - AC meetings. Uh, with

1422
01:40:05,661 --> 01:40:08,781
the pilot would likely occur and conclude in 2026 if

1423
01:40:08,781 --> 01:40:13,043
it's approved. Um, we're waiting to find that out. What

1424
01:40:13,144 --> 01:40:17,043
POSAC can expect? There's no decisions requested today. This is

1425
01:40:17,043 --> 01:40:19,363
just informational to kind of bring you up to speed.

1426
01:40:19,363 --> 01:40:22,403
We had talked about this very briefly at the retreat.

1427
01:40:22,403 --> 01:40:24,243
I think most people remembered, um, but there was a

1428
01:40:24,243 --> 01:40:26,803
lot of interest. And I know this is an interest,

1429
01:40:26,803 --> 01:40:28,483
a topic of interest to the community. So we wanted

1430
01:40:28,523 --> 01:40:29,923
to keep you up to date with everything that we

1431
01:40:29,923 --> 01:40:33,240
know at this point. And that was quick, but that's

1432
01:40:33,280 --> 01:40:35,180
what I have. And I'll take any questions, do you

1433
01:40:35,180 --> 01:40:40,142
have. Jarrett? Thank you. And, uh, again, this is an

1434
01:40:40,243 --> 01:40:42,462
information I'm only topic. So we will not be taking

1435
01:40:43,603 --> 01:40:50,920
public discussion. POSAC. Christine. Christine Johnson Posack.

1436
01:40:53,722 --> 01:40:57,301
This is a speculative question, but, um, are you anticipating

1437
01:40:57,802 --> 01:41:01,221
doing this on all of the multi - modal trails

1438
01:41:01,402 --> 01:41:05,781
or a select proportion or will the study determine what

1439
01:41:05,802 --> 01:41:09,901
you do? The community engagement will help determine that. So

1440
01:41:09,962 --> 01:41:12,101
we, we, uh, did you get a, did anyone get

1441
01:41:12,101 --> 01:41:14,461
a chance to attend any of the open houses? I

1442
01:41:14,461 --> 01:41:17,621
think that's okay. The survey is great. Um, through the

1443
01:41:17,621 --> 01:41:19,941
survey, there were questions about what areas. So that's one

1444
01:41:19,941 --> 01:41:21,661
of the areas. And then at the open houses, we

1445
01:41:21,661 --> 01:41:23,781
actually had these huge maps that people could put stickers.

1446
01:41:23,781 --> 01:41:25,461
So we, we really wanted to hear from the community

1447
01:41:26,122 --> 01:41:30,671
like where should we be thinking about this. Um, another

1448
01:41:30,772 --> 01:41:37,551
question I have is, um, so, um, the Boulder OSMP

1449
01:41:37,972 --> 01:41:43,231
has more miles of trails than the Boulder Parks and

1450
01:41:43,231 --> 01:41:48,671
OpenSpace. And I believe a much lower percentage of their

1451
01:41:48,852 --> 01:41:55,231
trails are open to bikes. It did that come up

1452
01:41:55,412 --> 01:42:00,798
as attention. In the open houses and the surveys. Do

1453
01:42:00,798 --> 01:42:04,235
you anticipate that being an issue. I can't speak generally

1454
01:42:04,275 --> 01:42:06,555
to the surveys yet because we haven't consolidated all the

1455
01:42:06,555 --> 01:42:08,675
data. I can, I can speak to the experience. I

1456
01:42:08,675 --> 01:42:11,115
had going through that process, which was I didn't hear

1457
01:42:11,296 --> 01:42:13,755
direct comparisons between the city and the county. I had

1458
01:42:13,795 --> 01:42:17,835
some really interesting conversations with individuals about what those miles

1459
01:42:17,835 --> 01:42:19,835
of trail look like. So one thing that was brought

1460
01:42:19,875 --> 01:42:21,915
up is there are a number of multi - use

1461
01:42:21,955 --> 01:42:24,635
trails that allow bikes. A lot of those for the

1462
01:42:24,656 --> 01:42:28,115
County are commuter trails like the Lobo Trail. And the

1463
01:42:28,115 --> 01:42:30,475
difference between those and something like Batasso was something that

1464
01:42:30,515 --> 01:42:35,035
came up in a numerous conversations with me. Um, and

1465
01:42:35,075 --> 01:42:42,555
then I guess, um, I, I find that, um, the

1466
01:42:42,816 --> 01:42:48,315
POSAC integration into the process, I think has been really,

1467
01:42:48,315 --> 01:42:52,155
um, useful in the past. And I, I understand the

1468
01:42:52,176 --> 01:42:57,515
last six months were really unusual. Um, are you anticipating

1469
01:42:57,536 --> 01:43:01,435
that you will be coming back to us, say in

1470
01:43:01,435 --> 01:43:07,733
six months, um, after this is concluded. To, to present

1471
01:43:07,733 --> 01:43:13,099
on, um, what happened and recommendations going forward. I think

1472
01:43:13,120 --> 01:43:15,659
the depends in there. Um, because we don't even know

1473
01:43:15,760 --> 01:43:17,979
what or if the pilot would look like at this

1474
01:43:17,979 --> 01:43:20,939
point. Um, I wouldn't, I would definitely anticipate we're coming

1475
01:43:20,939 --> 01:43:23,259
back and keeping you informed. Depending on what the outcome

1476
01:43:23,259 --> 01:43:26,539
is, um, that would determine whether or not we're coming

1477
01:43:26,579 --> 01:43:29,259
back for recommendations or things like that. Okay. Thank you.

1478
01:43:30,225 --> 01:43:34,814
Ariel. Ariel Barberia Gieb Posack. Um, could you just as

1479
01:43:34,814 --> 01:43:37,374
a point of information clarify how the decision is made,

1480
01:43:37,374 --> 01:43:40,174
whether the pilot is run or not? So the, the

1481
01:43:40,195 --> 01:43:41,854
work session is where we're going to get direction on

1482
01:43:41,854 --> 01:43:49,447
that is my understanding. Okay. Yep. Jeff. Uh, yeah, Jeff

1483
01:43:49,468 --> 01:43:55,598
Otti Posack. So my understanding is that the impetus for

1484
01:43:55,619 --> 01:44:00,798
the proposal is, um, is to ameliorate conflict on the

1485
01:44:00,819 --> 01:44:06,158
trails. Just wondering how, how did you arrive at that

1486
01:44:07,059 --> 01:44:12,158
four percent conflict number, and I'm not also exactly clear

1487
01:44:12,259 --> 01:44:15,838
on what that means. Does that mean like four percent

1488
01:44:15,838 --> 01:44:19,998
of unique visitors experience some sort of conflict on the

1489
01:44:20,099 --> 01:44:22,718
trail and how do you, how do you capture that

1490
01:44:23,059 --> 01:44:27,438
conflict? Like what, who's reporting that or observing it? Yeah.

1491
01:44:27,438 --> 01:44:28,958
I think so it's interesting when I was talking about

1492
01:44:29,539 --> 01:44:32,398
why we're doing the study that earlier slide. Conflict is

1493
01:44:32,438 --> 01:44:33,598
a piece of it, but I don't think it's the

1494
01:44:33,638 --> 01:44:35,438
only piece. So I think to say that we're doing

1495
01:44:35,459 --> 01:44:39,578
this solely because of conflict is not necessarily accurate. And

1496
01:44:39,578 --> 01:44:42,398
I think something that's come up through the way we

1497
01:44:42,899 --> 01:44:46,478
were requested to explore this and through community conversations has

1498
01:44:46,478 --> 01:44:50,958
been, the, we have the visitor data, which is for

1499
01:44:50,958 --> 01:44:53,406
our visitors. But there's also members of the community that

1500
01:44:53,427 --> 01:44:56,909
are not visiting our trails. Um, and where and how

1501
01:44:56,949 --> 01:45:00,009
are we capturing their feedback on things like this? And

1502
01:45:00,009 --> 01:45:01,869
so part of the community engagement was to reach out

1503
01:45:01,890 --> 01:45:05,949
broadly, which we did to visitors and nonvisitors. Um, then

1504
01:45:05,949 --> 01:45:08,669
the conflict piece itself. Yeah. My understanding is the four

1505
01:45:08,669 --> 01:45:12,189
percent is when we do the visitation studies, we measure

1506
01:45:12,210 --> 01:45:15,769
how many people experienced conflict. And the different specific, um,

1507
01:45:15,970 --> 01:45:19,789
definitions of what they consider conflict in the visitor reports.

1508
01:45:19,789 --> 01:45:24,184
And that's what's coming in at four percent. Can you

1509
01:45:24,184 --> 01:45:26,904
give an example of, of what that might look like.

1510
01:45:26,904 --> 01:45:28,344
I could, I don't have her in front of me,

1511
01:45:28,344 --> 01:45:29,664
but I could send you if you'd like later, I

1512
01:45:29,664 --> 01:45:31,864
could send you the exact definitions. We have again, like

1513
01:45:31,904 --> 01:45:34,904
when we do the survey, it'll say I experienced conflict

1514
01:45:35,245 --> 01:45:38,744
and that defines what that is. Trey Spaker post sac

1515
01:45:40,765 --> 01:45:44,984
to address Jeff's comments a little bit, um, every five

1516
01:45:45,085 --> 01:45:50,244
years, uh, one of the staff members, Michelle Murati, uh,

1517
01:45:50,445 --> 01:45:57,144
runs a visitor exit survey where she has individuals, volunteers

1518
01:45:58,125 --> 01:46:03,204
who stay at a trailhead and will ask visitors, um,

1519
01:46:04,045 --> 01:46:06,584
and this is all, or at least most recently done

1520
01:46:06,624 --> 01:46:11,144
on an iPad where there are questions. And one of

1521
01:46:11,144 --> 01:46:14,904
the questions, if I remember correctly, was have you experienced

1522
01:46:14,925 --> 01:46:18,682
conflict and was, you know, simply yes or no. And

1523
01:46:18,722 --> 01:46:23,722
so it, um, you know, it could be biker to

1524
01:46:23,743 --> 01:46:29,642
biker, hiker to biker, equestrian to hiker, whatever. And so

1525
01:46:30,543 --> 01:46:36,362
the four percent comes from Michelle's last five years ago

1526
01:46:37,343 --> 01:46:40,842
survey. And I believe she will be presenting, uh, the

1527
01:46:41,183 --> 01:46:45,642
2025 survey to Pro SAC, hopefully very soon in the

1528
01:46:45,642 --> 01:46:48,442
next couple of months or so. That is accurate. It's

1529
01:46:48,442 --> 01:46:53,880
supposed to be this summer, Trace. Joan. I help collect,

1530
01:46:53,880 --> 01:46:58,280
um, surveys in this last five year one. And so

1531
01:46:58,781 --> 01:47:01,240
for example, and it was filled out after they had

1532
01:47:01,280 --> 01:47:04,760
done their hike or the bike and you call them

1533
01:47:04,800 --> 01:47:07,620
over and try to get them to participate, fill out

1534
01:47:07,620 --> 01:47:10,760
this thing. And so for example, they're at one site

1535
01:47:11,261 --> 01:47:16,520
there was a biker who was, you know, visibly upset.

1536
01:47:16,520 --> 01:47:18,280
And he wrote down that he had been yelled at

1537
01:47:18,301 --> 01:47:21,640
by a hiker. Then later the hiker comes in. I

1538
01:47:21,640 --> 01:47:26,600
don't know if they were there. Pass each other and

1539
01:47:26,621 --> 01:47:29,400
they're upset about the bike hair, you know, so that

1540
01:47:29,421 --> 01:47:34,528
would be conflict. And they were able to describe it

1541
01:47:34,568 --> 01:47:38,528
a little bit. So, um, but I'm really glad that

1542
01:47:39,589 --> 01:47:43,408
you are considering this alternating use plan. I think it's

1543
01:47:43,749 --> 01:47:46,071
a great idea. And I hope you go forward with

1544
01:47:46,111 --> 01:47:49,266
that. And you get some. Feedback. See how the public

1545
01:47:49,607 --> 01:47:52,626
likes it. And I'm also glad that you're considering people

1546
01:47:52,727 --> 01:47:56,146
who aren't on the trails. And why aren't they on

1547
01:47:56,186 --> 01:48:02,526
the dri. Yeah. Uh, Traes Baker Poseck. And also part

1548
01:48:02,566 --> 01:48:07,246
of this, um, direction we received or the County received

1549
01:48:07,286 --> 01:48:15,246
from the commissioners, uh, was the idea of perceived conflict.

1550
01:48:15,246 --> 01:48:17,806
You know, I, um, you know, for example, you know,

1551
01:48:17,806 --> 01:48:20,126
I, I haven't had a problem with the Mountain biker,

1552
01:48:20,126 --> 01:48:23,925
but I know they're out there and they're mean. You

1553
01:48:23,925 --> 01:48:25,685
know, kind of thing, you know, as, as a mountain

1554
01:48:25,725 --> 01:48:27,365
biker, I, you know, I can, I can say that,

1555
01:48:27,365 --> 01:48:32,865
of course, but, you know, but, but the idea, and

1556
01:48:32,865 --> 01:48:35,445
this came up, um, when I was talking with one

1557
01:48:35,485 --> 01:48:40,085
of the staff people at the second open house, this

1558
01:48:40,085 --> 01:48:47,697
whole idea of perceived conflict. Lauren. Yeah. Um, Lauren Kelso,

1559
01:48:48,278 --> 01:48:51,517
I guess you alluded to this early on, Jarrett, but

1560
01:48:51,558 --> 01:48:54,417
the, uh, you know, you all were requested to look

1561
01:48:54,518 --> 01:48:58,257
into this. And I guess it seems like a very

1562
01:48:58,257 --> 01:49:02,337
specific pilot was put forward as opposed to where my

1563
01:49:02,337 --> 01:49:04,637
brain would have started, which is like considering a lot

1564
01:49:04,637 --> 01:49:07,897
of different ways to address that sort of conflict. So

1565
01:49:07,897 --> 01:49:10,337
it sounds like this was put forward as like the

1566
01:49:10,337 --> 01:49:14,257
thing to trial. And I'm wondering through this process how,

1567
01:49:14,257 --> 01:49:15,777
cause that is certainly like what we're seeing in some

1568
01:49:15,777 --> 01:49:18,177
of the comments coming through, right? It's like, how do

1569
01:49:18,177 --> 01:49:20,417
we start here as opposed to starting a few steps

1570
01:49:20,438 --> 01:49:23,217
backwards with this? And yeah, if you can just kind

1571
01:49:23,217 --> 01:49:25,417
of explain that a little bit. Yeah. I think, I

1572
01:49:25,417 --> 01:49:27,697
mean, we again, we were asked to explore this specific

1573
01:49:27,718 --> 01:49:30,477
topic. And I think through this, we've gotten a lot

1574
01:49:30,477 --> 01:49:32,737
of community feedback and a lot of ideas. And that's,

1575
01:49:32,777 --> 01:49:35,617
that's what's going to come forward for this work session.

1576
01:49:35,617 --> 01:49:37,897
Um, whether or not that changes the direction. I don't

1577
01:49:37,897 --> 01:49:40,577
know. But that like we've, yeah, I guess we've been

1578
01:49:40,598 --> 01:49:42,897
following what we've been asked to look at, but also

1579
01:49:42,937 --> 01:49:45,137
being very open to what the community is wanting to

1580
01:49:45,177 --> 01:49:47,137
say to us. And now I think if you look

1581
01:49:47,137 --> 01:49:48,897
through a lot of the questions, they're framed in a

1582
01:49:48,897 --> 01:49:51,457
way that allow the community to have a voice and

1583
01:49:51,497 --> 01:49:59,275
share their experience and their stories. Let's see, let's, I

1584
01:49:59,315 --> 01:50:04,239
interrupted you, Jones. So Joan and then Vicky. Okay. Joan,

1585
01:50:04,239 --> 01:50:08,479
let's POZAC. And the County has done some other things.

1586
01:50:08,479 --> 01:50:12,239
Like for example, signs that talk about yielding and be

1587
01:50:12,260 --> 01:50:15,839
a polite user and ring your bell or that kind

1588
01:50:15,839 --> 01:50:19,479
of thing. So there has been some little efforts. I

1589
01:50:19,540 --> 01:50:23,439
wonder if you were thinking about something else besides that.

1590
01:50:23,439 --> 01:50:25,439
Yeah. I think, um, I'm not an expert in this

1591
01:50:25,479 --> 01:50:28,059
field. I mean, this guy's about to be, but, um,

1592
01:50:28,100 --> 01:50:31,919
I think, I think, uh, my, uh, I think there

1593
01:50:31,959 --> 01:50:34,879
are a lot of different approaches to this, right? When

1594
01:50:34,900 --> 01:50:37,439
you start thinking about planning and long - term trail

1595
01:50:37,460 --> 01:50:40,959
use, um, the ones that I've heard of are certainly

1596
01:50:41,460 --> 01:50:45,919
like, uh, nominating some spaces that are biker only so

1597
01:50:45,919 --> 01:50:48,799
that, right? That, so that's one, we have some hiking

1598
01:50:48,839 --> 01:50:51,679
only trails. Are there some that are biking only trails?

1599
01:50:51,679 --> 01:50:54,139
That's one, but I know that there are many, um,

1600
01:50:54,139 --> 01:50:56,319
and I'm, I mean, I'm sure there are other things

1601
01:50:56,359 --> 01:51:00,319
that go beyond signage around training. Um, I'm also a

1602
01:51:00,319 --> 01:51:02,879
mountain biker. I participate in other mountain biking groups and

1603
01:51:02,879 --> 01:51:07,839
the one that I participate in, communication of training of

1604
01:51:07,839 --> 01:51:10,239
really requirement if you want to participate with the group

1605
01:51:10,260 --> 01:51:13,359
that you abide by these certain rules. So I think

1606
01:51:13,359 --> 01:51:16,799
the, um, ideas out there for how to approach it.

1607
01:51:16,799 --> 01:51:18,399
So I think it's, I think it's important that it

1608
01:51:18,660 --> 01:51:20,879
be brought up all the different sort of ways of

1609
01:51:21,060 --> 01:51:25,919
a approaching the problem that they're trying to address. Yeah.

1610
01:51:25,919 --> 01:51:28,879
That's well heard and visa community feedback we heard as

1611
01:51:28,879 --> 01:51:35,724
well. Vicky. Vicky Lords Pozak and being of a different

1612
01:51:35,724 --> 01:51:39,388
generation. I have a lot of friends I've heard from

1613
01:51:39,409 --> 01:51:42,728
a lot of people that say a multi - use

1614
01:51:42,728 --> 01:51:47,148
trail as a bike trail. And there are certainly a

1615
01:51:47,148 --> 01:51:50,028
number of people within my generation in an older senior

1616
01:51:50,028 --> 01:51:52,268
generation that are very hesitant to be on trails with

1617
01:51:52,308 --> 01:51:57,388
bikes. And so I'm glad you're doing this because I

1618
01:51:57,388 --> 01:52:00,268
think we're not catching the numbers of people that might

1619
01:52:00,289 --> 01:52:03,468
be out there if they felt like they weren't going

1620
01:52:03,468 --> 01:52:06,508
to be an issue with a bike. People that don't

1621
01:52:06,609 --> 01:52:10,268
move quickly, people that don't hear well or a variety

1622
01:52:10,289 --> 01:52:14,028
of different reasons why having bikes around might be of

1623
01:52:14,068 --> 01:52:16,508
a concern. So I think it's an important thing to

1624
01:52:16,548 --> 01:52:19,068
look at this and do it and see what comes

1625
01:52:19,249 --> 01:52:22,348
out of it, ultimately. Or if you do the pilot

1626
01:52:22,689 --> 01:52:26,428
and see, there was a letter to the paper recently.

1627
01:52:26,428 --> 01:52:30,188
I don't remember who wrote it that had their statistical,

1628
01:52:30,188 --> 01:52:33,708
they'd use their statistics so poorly to describe why hikers

1629
01:52:33,708 --> 01:52:36,588
weren't using the trails. Well, maybe there's a reason hikers

1630
01:52:36,588 --> 01:52:38,988
aren't on the trails and we need to be thoughtful

1631
01:52:39,009 --> 01:52:47,102
of that as well. Jeff. Yeah. This is maybe, um,

1632
01:52:47,383 --> 01:52:55,117
sorry, Jeff Oddeck. Uh, this is baby TBD. Currently, uh,

1633
01:52:56,438 --> 01:53:00,417
the only alternate use sort of that exists on the

1634
01:53:00,598 --> 01:53:04,177
County Trails as far as I know is, um, restrictions

1635
01:53:04,177 --> 01:53:08,577
for bikes such as at potassio preserve. So is the

1636
01:53:08,577 --> 01:53:15,281
idea that this proposal. Will include like hiking only days.

1637
01:53:16,896 --> 01:53:22,395
Biking only days, equestrian only days. Like, will there be

1638
01:53:22,435 --> 01:53:27,843
alternate use or is, um, just curious about that. Because

1639
01:53:28,184 --> 01:53:33,763
it's, it's not totally clear to me whether the proposal

1640
01:53:33,803 --> 01:53:37,443
is for like a true alternate use, you know, where,

1641
01:53:37,864 --> 01:53:41,443
where, um, different user groups are like taking turns or

1642
01:53:41,443 --> 01:53:45,513
if it's about restricting cycling. Well, I hope you fill

1643
01:53:45,513 --> 01:53:48,393
this survey out because that, that, that's the whole at

1644
01:53:48,393 --> 01:53:50,393
this phase, it's community engagement to get all those ideas

1645
01:53:51,214 --> 01:53:54,073
to create with the alternatives could look like. So I

1646
01:53:54,174 --> 01:53:56,393
like, yeah, I can't answer at this point what the

1647
01:53:56,494 --> 01:53:59,753
alternatives are because we were just getting to that point.

1648
01:53:59,753 --> 01:54:01,593
I'd, you know, by the 30th, I think that's where

1649
01:54:01,614 --> 01:54:04,393
we'll have potential alternatives on the table that can be

1650
01:54:04,393 --> 01:54:07,193
looked at. And yeah, that's where we would be at

1651
01:54:07,233 --> 01:54:13,095
that place. Carol. I'm Carol Byerly Posag. I would like

1652
01:54:13,135 --> 01:54:16,855
to hear about an update on this before six months

1653
01:54:17,676 --> 01:54:20,695
actually. It would be very interesting to see the survey

1654
01:54:20,735 --> 01:54:25,155
data. Um, because it's all speculation at this point. But

1655
01:54:25,155 --> 01:54:28,615
if you come up with a report or something for

1656
01:54:28,615 --> 01:54:30,695
the County Commissioners, I would appreciate it if we could

1657
01:54:30,735 --> 01:54:34,055
get a copy to or get a presentation. Yeah, absolutely.

1658
01:54:34,156 --> 01:54:35,895
The plan is for any of that report to be

1659
01:54:35,916 --> 01:54:39,175
publicly available with all the data so that everyone can

1660
01:54:39,215 --> 01:54:41,415
look through it. Like we're trying to be very transparent

1661
01:54:41,455 --> 01:54:48,144
here. Okay. Great. Yeah. Anything else from Posic. Uh, Trey

1662
01:54:48,165 --> 01:54:52,144
Baker Posack. You know, I'm all for data driven approach

1663
01:54:52,245 --> 01:54:58,384
to changing public policy. And so this belief will influence

1664
01:54:58,424 --> 01:55:04,544
most of my reigning comments here. And as you do,

1665
01:55:04,544 --> 01:55:09,424
um, you know, fill out the design of this pilot,

1666
01:55:09,424 --> 01:55:12,224
I would very much like you to present a detailed

1667
01:55:12,264 --> 01:55:15,504
discussion of what you're going to measure and how you're

1668
01:55:15,525 --> 01:55:18,864
going to do your analysis. Um, I don't know if

1669
01:55:18,965 --> 01:55:21,744
Michelle is going to be involved in this, but you

1670
01:55:21,744 --> 01:55:25,984
know, she has been very, very good at her statistics,

1671
01:55:25,984 --> 01:55:32,597
you know, over the last few years. And I would

1672
01:55:32,618 --> 01:55:39,797
also hope that, um, any results that are published comes

1673
01:55:39,797 --> 01:55:43,797
early enough so that the public can look at them

1674
01:55:44,618 --> 01:55:49,157
understand them and make their issues known to the County

1675
01:55:49,197 --> 01:55:57,542
Commissioners before the commissioners make a decision. And a bit,

1676
01:55:57,542 --> 01:56:00,022
you know, I find it a bit unfortunate that the

1677
01:56:00,363 --> 01:56:06,262
commissioners did not bring this as a topic to POSAC,

1678
01:56:06,262 --> 01:56:08,022
you know, thinking about, you know, a number of years

1679
01:56:08,043 --> 01:56:12,822
ago when, um, the idea of allowing Mountain bikes on

1680
01:56:13,243 --> 01:56:18,342
planes areas came up, um, that was brought to POSAC

1681
01:56:18,363 --> 01:56:23,702
and POSAC voted. And, um, you know, again, very disappointed

1682
01:56:23,723 --> 01:56:26,822
that this doesn't happen. I know that that's directed to

1683
01:56:26,822 --> 01:56:29,676
the commissioners and not to you. But, you know, that's

1684
01:56:29,676 --> 01:56:36,565
my feeling. And so that, that is all I have.

1685
01:56:36,565 --> 01:56:41,125
Any other POS AC members? Actually, Vicky Lawrence Pozak of

1686
01:56:41,165 --> 01:56:42,485
one of the other questions I was going to ask,

1687
01:56:42,485 --> 01:56:44,125
who is it that asks you to do this? Is

1688
01:56:44,125 --> 01:56:46,725
that the commissioners that requested that this you look into

1689
01:56:46,765 --> 01:56:50,245
this? The commissioners as a group requested that we explore

1690
01:56:50,285 --> 01:56:52,725
this. And if I can real quick to trace is

1691
01:56:52,765 --> 01:56:54,965
Michelle is heavily involved in this and they could miss

1692
01:56:55,005 --> 01:56:58,672
because she is phenomenal. And has really helped shape the

1693
01:56:58,672 --> 01:57:01,872
surveys and things. That's very cute. We're working very hard

1694
01:57:01,872 --> 01:57:04,112
to get the data out as quick as we can.

1695
01:57:04,112 --> 01:57:06,432
Um, we've pulled staff off other priority things to be

1696
01:57:06,432 --> 01:57:09,679
able to do that. So, okay. Thank you. I have

1697
01:57:09,940 --> 01:57:14,319
one more Jeff Oddy Posack. So once you finish kind

1698
01:57:14,319 --> 01:57:18,779
of analyzing the data and putting together your report, um,

1699
01:57:19,380 --> 01:57:22,479
which it sounds like the goal for that is late

1700
01:57:23,540 --> 01:57:28,319
June early July, what, what's the next step after that?

1701
01:57:28,500 --> 01:57:31,439
It's the 30th, the meeting the work session with the

1702
01:57:31,439 --> 01:57:35,824
commissioners. Oh, gotcha. Okay. So then you'll go over the

1703
01:57:36,085 --> 01:57:41,984
report with the commissioners and what's the, uh, anticipated outcome

1704
01:57:42,245 --> 01:57:45,104
from the work session that you'll come up with some

1705
01:57:45,144 --> 01:57:49,963
sort of pilot proposal. Right now my understanding is the,

1706
01:57:50,003 --> 01:57:52,123
the anticipated outcome is for us to have more guidance

1707
01:57:52,304 --> 01:57:55,163
on whether or not we're pursuing an alternative or doing

1708
01:57:55,504 --> 01:57:57,989
something else. So it would be, it would be like,

1709
01:57:57,989 --> 01:58:04,365
what is our next step after that. Joan. White bozak?

1710
01:58:04,365 --> 01:58:07,085
So if you're giving something to the commissioners by the

1711
01:58:07,085 --> 01:58:08,845
end of June, does that mean you're going to give

1712
01:58:08,885 --> 01:58:12,238
something to us next month. Yes. We would be. We

1713
01:58:12,278 --> 01:58:14,118
will be updating you every month on this. I think

1714
01:58:14,339 --> 01:58:17,838
that clarification. Sorry, Lauren Kelso. I think, um, the question

1715
01:58:17,878 --> 01:58:22,718
is what is a working session with the County Commissioners?

1716
01:58:22,718 --> 01:58:25,118
And I think that's just where you guys will discuss

1717
01:58:25,139 --> 01:58:27,758
this in a little more detail with them. And then

1718
01:58:27,758 --> 01:58:30,398
it would come back to Posac. That's my understanding, yes.

1719
01:58:30,819 --> 01:58:35,198
So we wouldn't get anything work session. Yeah. It's my

1720
01:58:35,238 --> 01:58:39,838
understanding. Yes. But then necessarily decided at the work session.

1721
01:58:40,369 --> 01:58:44,268
That I don't know. We could be asked to pursue

1722
01:58:44,308 --> 01:58:49,028
an alternative potentially. Uh, R. L. Barbaria, give Posack. So

1723
01:58:49,249 --> 01:58:51,708
there is a chance that you guys have the working

1724
01:58:51,748 --> 01:58:55,068
session with the commissioners before any data is publicly available.

1725
01:58:55,068 --> 01:58:57,788
We are not planning to do that. Okay. Yes. I

1726
01:58:57,828 --> 01:59:00,828
know it says late June, July, but we like we're

1727
01:59:00,828 --> 01:59:02,588
a little tentative to set a date because this is

1728
01:59:02,628 --> 01:59:04,508
a bigger data set than we were expecting, which is

1729
01:59:04,548 --> 01:59:07,468
great again. Um, and again, we've pulled staff off other

1730
01:59:07,468 --> 01:59:10,348
things and they're working like this is the priority to

1731
01:59:10,348 --> 01:59:17,524
get this out. So. Thanks. Yep. Okay. Uh, Jarrett, thank

1732
01:59:17,524 --> 01:59:21,524
you very much and very much looking forward to details,

1733
01:59:21,524 --> 01:59:24,484
details, details next month. Thank you. Thank you for the

1734
01:59:24,505 --> 01:59:28,484
great questions. Thank you. Um, so post sac. Next thing

1735
01:59:28,484 --> 01:59:32,964
on the agenda is any topics that you want to

1736
01:59:32,985 --> 01:59:39,684
bring up as perhaps for, um, future agenda, uh, Riel.

1737
01:59:40,271 --> 01:59:42,730
Yes. Is this one I can ask a question about

1738
01:59:42,911 --> 01:59:47,450
a previous item? Yes. To the attorney about the east

1739
01:59:47,490 --> 01:59:52,250
mint, um, I'm just curious about the, we had talked

1740
01:59:52,250 --> 01:59:55,130
a lot about the liability of Longmont if there was

1741
01:59:55,151 --> 02:00:00,170
any excessive water flow coming out of the easement that's

1742
02:00:00,210 --> 02:00:03,290
going next to St. Frane, I believe. Um, and so

1743
02:00:03,311 --> 02:00:06,890
I'm, we're just curious if that liability is something, even

1744
02:00:06,890 --> 02:00:11,370
if Longmont hypothetically were too damaged an area that's outside

1745
02:00:11,410 --> 02:00:13,210
of the easement, is that something that they would be

1746
02:00:13,250 --> 02:00:16,330
liable for or the county would be liable for? Yeah.

1747
02:00:16,330 --> 02:00:18,870
I mean, I can paint and broad strokes as, you

1748
02:00:18,870 --> 02:00:22,490
know, how easement's working this context. Yeah. If, if it's

1749
02:00:22,751 --> 02:00:27,850
Longmont that's discharging water through its easement. So its property

1750
02:00:28,351 --> 02:00:31,450
right. And it causes damage that outside of the scope

1751
02:00:31,490 --> 02:00:36,999
of its rights under the easement. Then yes, presumably Longmont

1752
02:00:37,039 --> 02:00:40,439
would have liability there. Okay. You know, I mean, the

1753
02:00:40,439 --> 02:00:43,459
issues of governmental immunity and things like that. But, um,

1754
02:00:45,020 --> 02:00:46,759
based on what I heard in the Presentation, I don't

1755
02:00:46,799 --> 02:00:50,279
think the county would have liability for a discharge by

1756
02:00:50,319 --> 02:00:56,897
the City of Longmont. Okay. Thank you. Joan, did you

1757
02:00:56,897 --> 02:01:00,177
have your hand up? Yes. Joan Lutz Pozak. And I

1758
02:01:00,177 --> 02:01:03,377
just wanted to state that I agree with Tony Lewis,

1759
02:01:03,377 --> 02:01:07,697
the former Pozak member and his comment today, May 28th

1760
02:01:08,038 --> 02:01:15,937
at the changes made to POSAC are negative because it

1761
02:01:15,958 --> 02:01:24,737
dilutes our. Power to help the commissioners decide open space

1762
02:01:24,918 --> 02:01:30,977
questions. And also, because it decreases the opportunity for public

1763
02:01:31,238 --> 02:01:36,148
comment. Which is important for a democracy. That's all. Thank

1764
02:01:36,148 --> 02:01:44,708
you. Um, Christine. Christine Johnson Posack. I wanted to comment

1765
02:01:44,809 --> 02:01:52,736
on. Comments from the public. Um, the first is, um,

1766
02:01:52,937 --> 02:01:57,876
Bridget Gordon contacted us about Tom Watson Park, which is

1767
02:01:58,697 --> 02:02:02,016
managed by the City of Boulder, Parks in Rack. And

1768
02:02:02,016 --> 02:02:04,996
I would love it if a member of staff would

1769
02:02:05,097 --> 02:02:10,916
let her know that. Um, and she also commented on

1770
02:02:10,916 --> 02:02:13,556
the lack of comment period for items, not on the

1771
02:02:13,596 --> 02:02:17,796
agenda, which if she'd been able to comment, she'd find

1772
02:02:17,796 --> 02:02:25,956
out directly. Um, uh, Crystal Markovich asked for, um, for

1773
02:02:25,977 --> 02:02:31,396
a field trip open to the public and to Posac,

1774
02:02:31,396 --> 02:02:34,516
uh, to the Red Hills to see where the, um,

1775
02:02:35,497 --> 02:02:40,436
and Dazaflam aerial spring is planned for faller, winter 2026.

1776
02:02:42,800 --> 02:02:47,179
I'm curious about that. I'm curious about any possible field

1777
02:02:47,179 --> 02:02:53,579
trips this year. Um, I'm also interested in, um, the,

1778
02:02:53,579 --> 02:03:00,439
um, 2025 report from the integrated weed management plan. Um,

1779
02:03:00,720 --> 02:03:07,739
I also want to underscore, um, Lewis's comments. Tony is

1780
02:03:07,779 --> 02:03:12,779
a former member of Posac. And at one point was,

1781
02:03:12,779 --> 02:03:18,219
um, the chair. And, um, I, I agree that when,

1782
02:03:18,219 --> 02:03:23,899
um, the, that when the public contacts us, um, and

1783
02:03:24,160 --> 02:03:29,739
they, they contact us through the contact form. Their comments

1784
02:03:30,000 --> 02:03:33,499
see the light of day. If we amplify them, like

1785
02:03:33,499 --> 02:03:37,259
I am doing right now. And otherwise it's a, it's

1786
02:03:37,299 --> 02:03:43,099
a very, um, it's, uh, hard way to get attention

1787
02:03:44,320 --> 02:03:48,539
to a matter. And I strongly believe that the public

1788
02:03:48,720 --> 02:03:55,339
has given, um, really good feedback, valuable feedback, um, uh,

1789
02:03:55,600 --> 02:04:00,779
in the past and diminishing their capacity to comment is

1790
02:04:00,819 --> 02:04:08,059
not great. Um, I understand that the, um, the commissioners

1791
02:04:08,400 --> 02:04:13,819
are directing public comment to go to them. Instead. And

1792
02:04:14,720 --> 02:04:19,499
the problem with that is once again, um, the, the

1793
02:04:19,600 --> 02:04:25,419
capacity to speak, uh, on open agenda items, uh, or

1794
02:04:25,459 --> 02:04:28,779
non - agenda items with the County Commissioners. And I'm

1795
02:04:28,779 --> 02:04:33,819
reading from their guidelines, uh, Boulder County Commissioners hold regular

1796
02:04:34,000 --> 02:04:37,259
open public comment sessions on the first Thursday of each

1797
02:04:37,280 --> 02:04:42,459
month at 9 a. m. and speakers are typically limited

1798
02:04:42,499 --> 02:04:45,419
to three minutes each with the open comment period capped

1799
02:04:45,459 --> 02:04:51,962
at 10 participants. That's not, um, allowing for public participation

1800
02:04:52,303 --> 02:04:57,322
in a meaningful way. And I would encourage, um, staff

1801
02:04:57,823 --> 02:05:02,522
and the County Commissioners to change, um, what's going on.

1802
02:05:02,522 --> 02:05:07,002
I realize sometimes it's messy. And sometimes it takes time,

1803
02:05:07,002 --> 02:05:11,642
but I really feel like, um, the staff, um, serves

1804
02:05:11,642 --> 02:05:15,482
the public post act serves the public and all together.

1805
02:05:15,482 --> 02:05:22,910
We do a better job stewarding the public's assets. Thanks.

1806
02:05:27,936 --> 02:05:31,515
Anybody else from Posack, Carol? Um, I would like to,

1807
02:05:31,515 --> 02:05:35,275
um, continue to speak on this issue of public comment.

1808
02:05:35,275 --> 02:05:39,595
And, um, with, with some caveats, um, so I guess

1809
02:05:39,776 --> 02:05:42,875
they're trying to make it similar across all the advisory

1810
02:05:42,915 --> 02:05:47,595
committees, but, but we are intended to be a conduit

1811
02:05:47,595 --> 02:05:52,795
between the public and the Boulder County Commission. So it

1812
02:05:52,795 --> 02:05:56,715
seems, um, that it does frustrate our mission to some

1813
02:05:56,755 --> 02:06:00,315
degree. I think it has been difficult at times. So

1814
02:06:00,576 --> 02:06:03,675
I believe we could put some rules in if we

1815
02:06:03,675 --> 02:06:05,995
were going to open it up and say, you get

1816
02:06:06,096 --> 02:06:09,355
to speak once every so often you don't, there are

1817
02:06:09,376 --> 02:06:14,531
ways to. Make it more better. So that is one

1818
02:06:14,571 --> 02:06:16,211
issue. I don't know where we're going to go on

1819
02:06:16,251 --> 02:06:19,491
that. But let me ask another one is if the

1820
02:06:19,531 --> 02:06:23,091
public is supposed to be talking to the Boulder County

1821
02:06:23,672 --> 02:06:28,271
Commissioners on our top issues, um, I gained a lot

1822
02:06:28,271 --> 02:06:32,211
by watching the County Commissioner meetings. But they meet a

1823
02:06:32,251 --> 02:06:35,091
lot and they meet all of it. And so I

1824
02:06:35,091 --> 02:06:39,011
would love it if we could be told that the

1825
02:06:39,272 --> 02:06:44,931
County Commissioners acted on the weed program Tuesday. And if

1826
02:06:44,931 --> 02:06:48,271
you look at their meeting from nine to 930, you

1827
02:06:48,271 --> 02:06:51,411
can see what they said. Because I have gotten back

1828
02:06:51,512 --> 02:06:53,651
to meetings and trying to find where they talk about

1829
02:06:53,672 --> 02:06:56,931
it. Um, if we are now not going to hear

1830
02:06:56,952 --> 02:07:00,611
directly from the public, maybe we could be staffed and

1831
02:07:00,651 --> 02:07:06,371
told when these issues come up before the County Commissioners.

1832
02:07:06,371 --> 02:07:09,811
And then we would be able to learn, um, what

1833
02:07:09,832 --> 02:07:15,971
the public is saying, um, rather than, because it is

1834
02:07:15,971 --> 02:07:17,971
in the open and all of these things are online

1835
02:07:18,392 --> 02:07:20,851
and available, but it really is hard to go through

1836
02:07:20,891 --> 02:07:25,811
them and find, um, the specific discussion. And when you

1837
02:07:25,851 --> 02:07:30,371
find it, it's really informative. Trace Baker Posat Carol, do

1838
02:07:30,371 --> 02:07:34,931
you get the, uh, email from the commissioners given their

1839
02:07:34,971 --> 02:07:39,811
agenda for every, every day? No. No. That is available

1840
02:07:41,992 --> 02:07:47,643
on the commissioner's website. You can sign up to get

1841
02:07:47,683 --> 02:07:50,843
an email. Yeah. And that's, and that's a lot. They

1842
02:07:51,024 --> 02:07:53,483
see, they do a lot. Oh, yes. And I would

1843
02:07:53,483 --> 02:07:56,603
think that if I, okay, let me pursue this. I

1844
02:07:56,603 --> 02:08:01,163
think that if they're handling parks and open space issues,

1845
02:08:01,163 --> 02:08:04,763
then someone from the department will be there. Yes. We'll

1846
02:08:04,803 --> 02:08:07,163
know when they are speaking and then we'll have a

1847
02:08:07,424 --> 02:08:10,283
slot and say at this meeting. Because commissioners are handling

1848
02:08:10,384 --> 02:08:13,723
lots of different issues. Yeah. Yes. But, uh, for example,

1849
02:08:14,224 --> 02:08:19,083
Stefan gave a talk in Jason on the weed management

1850
02:08:19,184 --> 02:08:24,023
plan was that this week, last week, very recently. And

1851
02:08:24,064 --> 02:08:28,123
that was in the email agenda. Not only saw the

1852
02:08:28,123 --> 02:08:31,243
earlier one. I didn't see that one. Can I surprise

1853
02:08:31,243 --> 02:08:34,203
that it occurred? Those agendas are huge and it takes

1854
02:08:34,203 --> 02:08:36,123
a while to read through the agenda too, but it's

1855
02:08:36,123 --> 02:08:38,683
there. Trace something. I guess I have a question. Lauren

1856
02:08:38,723 --> 02:08:42,123
Kelso. So, um, kind of to echo what Carol's saying

1857
02:08:42,224 --> 02:08:44,683
though, I am wondering, and maybe this is some, I'm

1858
02:08:44,683 --> 02:08:46,843
not sure where all of these questions and thoughts go

1859
02:08:46,883 --> 02:08:50,683
to in the ether, but, um, I do think it's,

1860
02:08:50,704 --> 02:08:53,963
it's, it's a really important, I'm going to tag onto

1861
02:08:54,003 --> 02:08:58,443
what Carol's saying here. Like we are working full time

1862
02:08:59,184 --> 02:09:01,563
and here in the evening. So just like you all

1863
02:09:01,603 --> 02:09:04,603
are. So if there is an opportunity to consolidate some

1864
02:09:04,643 --> 02:09:07,483
of that, Nick has been an enormous asset preparing us

1865
02:09:07,523 --> 02:09:10,843
for these meetings. Maybe we get a snapshot from the

1866
02:09:11,024 --> 02:09:16,043
last month or as it goes along or whatever's administratively

1867
02:09:16,083 --> 02:09:19,483
possible. Again, maybe none of this is necessary if we

1868
02:09:19,483 --> 02:09:23,783
can bring some public comment back into this space, um,

1869
02:09:24,304 --> 02:09:26,283
so I think there's two different ways the different ways

1870
02:09:26,283 --> 02:09:28,283
to get at it, right? And those are the two

1871
02:09:28,323 --> 02:09:30,843
different options, which is either we can receive public comment

1872
02:09:30,864 --> 02:09:33,563
directly. So we're getting that. But if the goal is

1873
02:09:33,603 --> 02:09:35,323
that we're going to get everything that happens at the

1874
02:09:35,344 --> 02:09:39,003
commissioner hearings that we're going to be discussing and giving

1875
02:09:39,504 --> 02:09:44,523
advice on, uh, that it be consolidated into some helpful

1876
02:09:44,544 --> 02:09:47,723
information that we can then digest and utilize. And I

1877
02:09:47,723 --> 02:09:49,883
would like to say to Trace that an agenda is

1878
02:09:49,904 --> 02:09:53,483
very different than a meeting. Right. And so I'd like

1879
02:09:53,483 --> 02:09:57,883
to know what happens afterwards rather than what happens before.

1880
02:09:57,883 --> 02:10:01,403
Because that's what's interesting. And that's what instructive for us.

1881
02:10:01,403 --> 02:10:08,083
Yeah. Trace Baker Posack. And this is halfway serious. If

1882
02:10:08,083 --> 02:10:10,683
you could take those agendas and put it into Claude

1883
02:10:11,264 --> 02:10:18,123
and ask it to highlight Parks and Open Space issues.

1884
02:10:21,959 --> 02:10:24,498
Trace could you do that each and send those to

1885
02:10:24,498 --> 02:10:30,258
us. I'll take those cloud notes. Uh, Jeff Oddy, Posack.

1886
02:10:31,373 --> 02:10:34,952
Carol, I think if I'm understanding what you're asking for

1887
02:10:35,213 --> 02:10:36,872
correctly, and I just want to make sure that I

1888
02:10:36,893 --> 02:10:41,752
am, it's, it's that, um, if the County Commissioners are

1889
02:10:41,773 --> 02:10:46,712
hearing and considering, um, some business that has been before

1890
02:10:47,533 --> 02:10:53,592
POSAC, that POSAC be informed of the outcome of whatever

1891
02:10:55,853 --> 02:11:03,169
they discussed. Or just the commissioners met on the weed

1892
02:11:03,169 --> 02:11:07,649
program and it's at 1020. And you've confined it on

1893
02:11:08,870 --> 02:11:14,203
their website. Yeah. I think that sounds good. I like

1894
02:11:14,243 --> 02:11:18,043
that. It needs to be summarized or memorized or anything,

1895
02:11:18,043 --> 02:11:21,883
but because, but it would be then we could say,

1896
02:11:21,883 --> 02:11:24,763
okay, because they don't talk about Parks and Oakland space

1897
02:11:24,803 --> 02:11:28,523
all the time. I don't imagine. It's not a lot.

1898
02:11:28,523 --> 02:11:30,763
And so, but when there is an issue and I

1899
02:11:30,763 --> 02:11:33,748
guess I was very surprised about the weed issue. And

1900
02:11:33,748 --> 02:11:36,228
if I, I'm not going to go to the meeting

1901
02:11:36,329 --> 02:11:38,348
and haven't, you know, say anything, but I want to

1902
02:11:38,348 --> 02:11:42,633
see what happened. And what, who said what and how

1903
02:11:42,633 --> 02:11:46,293
it was represented. And if there was public comment. And

1904
02:11:46,293 --> 02:11:48,633
if I then can go back and do my homework

1905
02:11:48,814 --> 02:11:51,784
and see that, then I'm better prepared. So, so I'm

1906
02:11:51,784 --> 02:11:54,664
not asking, I don't want to add to the workload

1907
02:11:54,685 --> 02:11:59,704
too much, but it's just an advice of what was

1908
02:11:59,885 --> 02:12:04,584
discussed that concerns us at the County Commission meetings at

1909
02:12:04,584 --> 02:12:08,200
one time. And where to find it. Okay. Uh, Trace

1910
02:12:08,221 --> 02:12:12,920
Baker, Posac, were coming up on eight o'clock and would

1911
02:12:12,920 --> 02:12:16,600
like to give our new director Jason a chance to

1912
02:12:16,640 --> 02:12:22,200
give his update and hopefully questions from him afterwards if

1913
02:12:22,200 --> 02:12:28,206
the time. Sorry, one more thing. Uh, go ahead, Ariel.

1914
02:12:28,227 --> 02:12:31,846
Ariel Barbaria Pozac. This might be, I don't know if

1915
02:12:31,846 --> 02:12:35,552
this is the right forum, but, um. In the spirit

1916
02:12:35,733 --> 02:12:39,072
of, this was talked about, I think Carol, you might

1917
02:12:39,072 --> 02:12:41,712
have been in my interview when we, you might've spoke

1918
02:12:41,712 --> 02:12:45,232
about this. More young people and then posack. Right. About

1919
02:12:45,272 --> 02:12:47,952
equity. I think something that would be, uh, really helpful

1920
02:12:48,213 --> 02:12:50,912
would be to try to schedule things. And I understand

1921
02:12:51,013 --> 02:12:53,472
that there was something scheduled on a Friday during work

1922
02:12:53,493 --> 02:12:56,752
hours. But to maybe try to be, um, and I

1923
02:12:56,752 --> 02:12:59,052
understand these meetings are not during the work day, but

1924
02:12:59,052 --> 02:13:02,432
if we could moving forward, taco field trips or other

1925
02:13:02,853 --> 02:13:07,712
instances in which POSAC members could choose to go and,

1926
02:13:07,712 --> 02:13:09,272
you know, see in the community what is going on

1927
02:13:09,333 --> 02:13:12,752
or what is proposed to be considered and mindful of

1928
02:13:12,752 --> 02:13:15,232
those of us that are working 40 hour weeks and

1929
02:13:15,272 --> 02:13:17,712
don't have the ability to take, uh, half a day

1930
02:13:17,712 --> 02:13:23,053
off on Friday. That's all. Thank you. Thank you. Okay.

1931
02:13:23,154 --> 02:13:31,675
Jason all yours. Jason Sook, Parks and Open Space Director.

1932
02:13:33,516 --> 02:13:35,575
Well, this is my first pulse sack meeting. Um, so

1933
02:13:35,756 --> 02:13:38,295
I'm, uh, I'm new like some of you and learning

1934
02:13:38,476 --> 02:13:41,175
the format and, uh, in the rhythm here. And I

1935
02:13:41,175 --> 02:13:44,535
think mostly I'm pleased to be here. Um, I'm pleased

1936
02:13:44,535 --> 02:13:49,895
to be participating. And in this, uh, in this very

1937
02:13:49,895 --> 02:13:52,295
important form for them. And I'd really like to thank

1938
02:13:52,316 --> 02:13:55,815
you all for your commitment, your public service. And I've

1939
02:13:55,815 --> 02:13:59,255
seen already that your perspective and experience, um, evidence by

1940
02:13:59,255 --> 02:14:04,615
a lot of the good participation questions, uh, very helpful

1941
02:14:04,716 --> 02:14:07,495
guidance, our critical to guiding our parks and open space

1942
02:14:07,535 --> 02:14:10,215
program and the Board of County Commissioners as they make

1943
02:14:10,396 --> 02:14:13,095
importance of decisions governing parks in open space. So thank

1944
02:14:13,095 --> 02:14:15,335
you for your commitment and what you're doing here. You

1945
02:14:15,335 --> 02:14:19,415
know, despite having jobs despite having many other priorities, you're

1946
02:14:19,415 --> 02:14:23,175
here tonight and we really appreciate that. Um, maybe a

1947
02:14:23,175 --> 02:14:25,455
few updates, uh, first on some of the discussion, I

1948
02:14:25,455 --> 02:14:27,735
guess I would address. We'll take some of this back

1949
02:14:27,836 --> 02:14:31,235
and try to think about how best to, you know,

1950
02:14:31,436 --> 02:14:34,275
remain engaged with you all and form you on, um,

1951
02:14:34,275 --> 02:14:37,315
what's happening. You know, the nuance there as well. Um,

1952
02:14:37,676 --> 02:14:39,815
you know, the different formats and we can get into

1953
02:14:39,916 --> 02:14:43,335
this another time. But there's different formats of how the

1954
02:14:43,436 --> 02:14:46,215
Board of County Commissioners are meeting. And when there is

1955
02:14:46,476 --> 02:14:49,815
public comment and when it is open to the public.

1956
02:14:49,815 --> 02:14:51,895
So there's, there's different ways that they go about doing

1957
02:14:51,916 --> 02:14:55,735
that. And, um, and, and having these meetings in public,

1958
02:14:55,735 --> 02:14:58,935
the public comment at all of these meetings, um, so

1959
02:14:58,956 --> 02:15:02,455
I just wanted to make that clarification. And then maybe

1960
02:15:02,476 --> 02:15:06,215
just a few updates from my side. First, the youth

1961
02:15:06,236 --> 02:15:09,335
core, um, the team leads start on Monday the first

1962
02:15:09,596 --> 02:15:12,215
coming up. We're really excited about that. All the team

1963
02:15:12,255 --> 02:15:14,855
leads and crew members have been hired for the season.

1964
02:15:14,855 --> 02:15:17,495
So, uh, we're looking forward to this very exciting program

1965
02:15:18,076 --> 02:15:20,375
where we get to engage with youth and get them

1966
02:15:20,415 --> 02:15:25,352
to invest in their own community. The fairgrounds, the Rocky

1967
02:15:25,352 --> 02:15:29,112
Mountain Regional and Westworld Horseshow begins on June 12th and

1968
02:15:29,112 --> 02:15:32,776
the Longmont Farmers Market as well underway. I guess the

1969
02:15:32,776 --> 02:15:35,256
point we've had a lot of rain recently and even

1970
02:15:35,296 --> 02:15:37,576
with recent moistures, Drought was very much still an issue

1971
02:15:37,616 --> 02:15:40,136
for ag producers. Many of the ditches are not running

1972
02:15:40,157 --> 02:15:43,096
at all. And those that are very at a very

1973
02:15:43,096 --> 02:15:45,656
reduced rate, less than 90, up to 90 percent less

1974
02:15:45,696 --> 02:15:49,416
than normal. So planting rates are changing weekly. Cattle producers

1975
02:15:49,517 --> 02:15:52,536
are scrambling for additional forage and it remains an issue.

1976
02:15:52,536 --> 02:15:57,031
Um, to be managed. The watershed center is holding a

1977
02:15:57,071 --> 02:16:00,151
public tour of their 2025 South St. Rain Restoration on

1978
02:16:00,151 --> 02:16:03,511
the Hall 2 Property on Saturday, June 6, 9 to

1979
02:16:03,551 --> 02:16:06,951
12, um, PM. So that morning. So that's, um, that's

1980
02:16:06,991 --> 02:16:09,511
something that might be interesting for, for, for some of

1981
02:16:09,511 --> 02:16:14,987
you all to attend. We have completed temporary repairs on

1982
02:16:15,027 --> 02:16:21,026
the Boulder Canyon Trail Bridge Approach. We also have Stern's

1983
02:16:21,066 --> 02:16:24,146
Lake Restroom Rebuild in Progress. And a lot of new

1984
02:16:24,146 --> 02:16:27,906
signs have been installed bilingual sign replacements on the OpenSky

1985
02:16:28,007 --> 02:16:31,266
Loop Trail. Ron Stewart Preserve and Walker Ranch Loop Trail.

1986
02:16:33,395 --> 02:16:35,414
And then, uh, last week I think it was, I

1987
02:16:35,414 --> 02:16:39,454
visited our community forestry sort yard in Netherland. And we've

1988
02:16:39,454 --> 02:16:41,614
got two one in Netherland and on another at the

1989
02:16:41,654 --> 02:16:44,094
north side. They're now open. Um, very impressed with the

1990
02:16:44,134 --> 02:16:49,327
operations. Um, and their popularity with the public. June is

1991
02:16:49,367 --> 02:16:52,687
Pride Month, uh, we're celebrating that with our education and

1992
02:16:52,687 --> 02:16:56,047
outreach team with Community members by hosting two Pride in

1993
02:16:56,047 --> 02:16:59,087
the Park Burning Programs, outreach tables at Boulder and Long

1994
02:16:59,108 --> 02:17:01,727
Mont Pride. And pride in the parks trailhead pop -

1995
02:17:01,727 --> 02:17:04,827
ups across our network throughout the next month. And then

1996
02:17:04,848 --> 02:17:08,267
finally, um, getting to some of those, those work sessions,

1997
02:17:08,267 --> 02:17:11,547
um, we presented on Tuesday, May 26th to the Border

1998
02:17:11,547 --> 02:17:14,567
County Commissioners, uh, in a work session for a new

1999
02:17:14,688 --> 02:17:18,747
concept for district level planning. So this concept, an idea

2000
02:17:18,848 --> 02:17:22,667
really is to replace parcel by parcel management with larger

2001
02:17:22,768 --> 02:17:28,507
ecologically meaningful districts that better reflect how ecosystems, visitors, agriculture,

2002
02:17:28,547 --> 02:17:32,027
and communities actually function. And, um, I guess the result

2003
02:17:32,128 --> 02:17:34,107
of that is I think the board was generally supportive

2004
02:17:34,208 --> 02:17:36,747
of the concept overall. And they asked Parks and OpenSpace

2005
02:17:36,747 --> 02:17:38,747
to come back to a follow - up work session

2006
02:17:39,168 --> 02:17:43,227
with additional research, uh, particularly around where there is and

2007
02:17:43,267 --> 02:17:46,827
is not currently management plans on our properties. Um, how

2008
02:17:46,928 --> 02:17:50,187
to engage community and the considerations for when Parks and

2009
02:17:50,187 --> 02:17:53,707
Open Space staff, uh, think about the districts I think

2010
02:17:53,707 --> 02:17:56,107
we've got six that we are currently thinking about in

2011
02:17:56,208 --> 02:17:59,147
this overall concept. And, you know, where we might start

2012
02:17:59,248 --> 02:18:03,547
first. So, um, as for this overall concept and the

2013
02:18:03,547 --> 02:18:05,947
plans, um, as we move forward, we'll be in close

2014
02:18:05,987 --> 02:18:08,827
touch with you all. And we'll be providing additional information

2015
02:18:09,248 --> 02:18:13,387
soon. Hopefully as an informational item first. Eventually has an

2016
02:18:13,387 --> 02:18:16,187
item for recommendation to the Boarda County Commissioners. Um, this

2017
02:18:16,227 --> 02:18:19,067
is a very long process. So right now it's just

2018
02:18:19,088 --> 02:18:23,467
a very initial concept and thought about, Hey, how, what's,

2019
02:18:23,507 --> 02:18:26,427
what's the strategic way to move forward with overall management

2020
02:18:26,528 --> 02:18:29,947
plans? Um, what's the right way to think about these,

2021
02:18:29,947 --> 02:18:32,727
you know, 110, 000 acres that we have. And, um,

2022
02:18:32,928 --> 02:18:35,067
you know, how to bring them under management and think

2023
02:18:35,067 --> 02:18:38,167
about kind of the, you know, connectivity between them, um,

2024
02:18:38,167 --> 02:18:40,987
and, you know, an overall more strategic approach that can

2025
02:18:40,987 --> 02:18:44,667
also put more acres under, you know, underneath a management

2026
02:18:44,688 --> 02:18:47,447
plan. So this is, um, I think we estimated, you

2027
02:18:47,447 --> 02:18:49,627
know, if you were to take one of these districts,

2028
02:18:49,627 --> 02:18:51,867
it's a, it's a two year process. Um, so we're

2029
02:18:51,968 --> 02:18:55,547
just starting the concept. So no, no decisions coming soon.

2030
02:18:55,547 --> 02:18:58,107
Um, and we'll be soon in touch with you and

2031
02:18:58,107 --> 02:19:00,987
informing you more as we develop our thinking a little

2032
02:19:00,987 --> 02:19:02,667
bit more. But I wanted to highlight that for you.

2033
02:19:04,644 --> 02:19:08,703
And overall, um, I think next week I start my,

2034
02:19:08,703 --> 02:19:12,463
maybe my second month, um, it's been a fantastic ride.

2035
02:19:12,463 --> 02:19:16,223
We've got a tremendous staff, um, a pretty broad remit,

2036
02:19:16,223 --> 02:19:19,403
um, an act of public. And, you know, a lot

2037
02:19:19,403 --> 02:19:23,083
of, uh, amazing opportunities, amazing assets. And also, you know,

2038
02:19:23,284 --> 02:19:26,123
challenges to deal with as we move forward. So, um,

2039
02:19:26,123 --> 02:19:28,463
I'm really excited to be here. Thrilled to be in

2040
02:19:28,463 --> 02:19:30,763
front of you all and look forward to, you know,

2041
02:19:30,884 --> 02:19:34,063
developing a close relationship and working together as moving forward.

2042
02:19:35,723 --> 02:19:41,382
Thanks very much. Thank you. Poseck, any discussion for Jason.

2043
02:19:41,382 --> 02:19:45,142
John. This is John Wright Posack. On the list of

2044
02:19:45,403 --> 02:19:49,462
projects that we were sent before this meeting, one of

2045
02:19:49,462 --> 02:19:53,942
the things his prairie runs, uh, hold, because you have

2046
02:19:53,982 --> 02:19:56,662
to remove an oil well, um, it's not like an

2047
02:19:56,683 --> 02:20:02,182
oil will just hopped into place. What's, how many was,

2048
02:20:02,182 --> 02:20:05,694
what's going on. It's a good question. I wonder actually.

2049
02:20:10,211 --> 02:20:14,430
Ls next month. I think the one here just stepped

2050
02:20:14,430 --> 02:20:16,030
out. Maybe they can answer that question. Just a moment

2051
02:20:16,211 --> 02:20:17,530
and maybe I can get that back to you. And

2052
02:20:17,530 --> 02:20:20,492
if not, I'll anybody else while we're waiting. I've got

2053
02:20:20,673 --> 02:20:25,372
one traced. Lauren, um, Lauren Kelso, um, just something you

2054
02:20:25,372 --> 02:20:27,832
said, Jason made me think of another conversation I had

2055
02:20:27,832 --> 02:20:31,852
recently with Tim at Oscar. You mentioned, uh, this I

2056
02:20:31,852 --> 02:20:34,492
love, I saw this in the notes to developing sort

2057
02:20:34,492 --> 02:20:38,572
of landscape level planning framework. Um, as opposed to parcel

2058
02:20:38,572 --> 02:20:41,752
by parcel planning, I think that's super important. And, um,

2059
02:20:42,513 --> 02:20:45,052
I think you should reach out to Tim. He is

2060
02:20:45,233 --> 02:20:47,612
ideating at a similar level. It sounds like as you

2061
02:20:47,612 --> 02:20:51,652
are. So, um, just that's all I'll say there. I

2062
02:20:51,652 --> 02:20:53,612
think it's worth connecting and just making sure he's aware

2063
02:20:53,633 --> 02:20:55,212
that you guys are pursuing that because it sounds like

2064
02:20:55,252 --> 02:20:59,932
maybe the extra resources that could go work be doubled

2065
02:20:59,953 --> 02:21:02,892
down on there. That's all. I appreciate that. Thank you.

2066
02:21:04,148 --> 02:21:08,447
Anybody else? Uh, Joan. Joan Lutz Pozak. And I just

2067
02:21:08,447 --> 02:21:11,887
wanted to say welcome to Boulder County and Parks and

2068
02:21:11,927 --> 02:21:15,167
Open Space. And from what I can see, you're really

2069
02:21:15,167 --> 02:21:17,807
outgoing able to talk to lots of different types of

2070
02:21:17,828 --> 02:21:22,884
people. And that's very important for the role. Thank you.

2071
02:21:23,626 --> 02:21:28,969
Anybody else. Well, then for Posec, first of all, I'd

2072
02:21:29,009 --> 02:21:32,569
like to thank all of you for very, um, insightful

2073
02:21:32,910 --> 02:21:38,569
discussions tonight. And particularly our new members, you're willingness to

2074
02:21:38,750 --> 02:21:43,449
jump into something new, um, at, I think a very,

2075
02:21:43,489 --> 02:21:45,861
very high level. So thank you. I'm looking forward to

2076
02:21:45,882 --> 02:21:49,856
working with you for the next year. So meeting adjourned.

2077
02:21:51,073 --> 02:21:51,692
Before eight o'clock.