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Can you hear me out there? We can welcome everyone

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to today's Boulder County Parks Open Space Advisory Committee meeting.

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We've reached our start time. These meetings are held in

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a virtual hybrid format. Via Zoom webinar. I'm going to

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start the webinar now. Please know it takes a few

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minutes or a few seconds for Zoom to bring members

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of the public into the session as attendees. Just a

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friendly reminder to all post - ACT members, presenters and

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public speakers, please make sure you're within two inches of

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the microphone speaking. This helps ensure we maintain an accurate

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public record. Members of the committee. Are you ready. We

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are ready. All right, we can begin. Good evening, everybody.

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Welcome to the July 23rd 2026 Meeting of the Boulder

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County Parks at Open Space Advisory Committee. I'm Terry Spaker,

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and I'm chair for this term. We'll start out with

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roll call. Trey Baker President, Ariel Barbieri Agib. Carol Barley.

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Present. Christine Johnson. Here. Lauren Kelso. Here. Vicky Lawrence's Excused.

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Joan Lutz. And Jeff Audi is excused. And John White

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here. Thank you. There are no topics requiring a post

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- AC vote and recommendation to the Boulder County Commissioners

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this evening. So we will not be taking public comment

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during the meeting. Our first topic Heidi Wagner will present

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on the District Level Planning Proposal. All right, thank you,

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Trace. Thank you, Pozak. My name is Heidi Wagner. I'm

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the Deputy Director of Strategic Foundations. Thanks for your time

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tonight. We're here to talk about my favorite topic. So

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spin the next four to five hours planning, visioning, structure.

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It'll be great. I'm gonna get some Post - it

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notes. Vision. But I'm really excited to present this concept

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to you tonight. So while I'm here today is I

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want to introduce a new planning model to you. It's

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called, we call it District Level Planning. I want to

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explain how it emerged through the Board of County Commissioner's

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work session process. I want to share why we are

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proposing starting planning in the place of the county that

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we are. We're calling that peak to peak. I'll explain

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that here in a moment. And then I want to

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outline some ideas that staff have had for your involvement

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for Pozac involvement, as well as, listen, your feedback. And

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IDAS as well. And before we begin and kind of

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get into the Presentation, I want to stress tonight that

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we are just starting this process. The board gave us

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direction two days ago. So we are not launching any

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planning tonight. We are in the phase that I like

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to call planning to plan. And so you're here for

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that early feedback to help us shape next steps. So

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first of all, why am I here talking about planning

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and planning models? I want to explain a little bit

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about where we are as Parks and OpenSpace and some

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of the challenges that we're facing. You know, our planning

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system is truly stretched. We have a small but mighty

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team of planners. I have three planners right now, one

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of which is the supervisor for the planning and cultural

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group. So two planners actually doing a lot of the

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planning work in the department. And we have over 50

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existing plans covering about 39, 000 acres of our property.

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And that means 64 percent of our property does not

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have management plan guidance. And some of our existing plans,

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those 50 plans, some of them are decades old. Like

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they were written under different values. And assumptions. And to

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update any of those 50 old plans or create a

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new plan is about a two year process at a

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minimum. And so this really means that we're often in

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reactive mode as planners. We're responding to issues instead of

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thinking ahead and taking a strategic approach. Um, and then

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that also has a effect on our community. It lends

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itself to a lot of unpredictability. The community doesn't know

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when a property is going to be reviewed. Re reviewed,

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uh, maybe the desire for a new trail. And we're

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like, wait, we have to do an amendment. Um, they

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don't. And then when we purchase a new property, there

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can often be a lot of excitement around that. And

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people don't know when is that going to see planning.

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And so we've reached a point that this parcel by

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parcel or a site level focus and planning just can't

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keep up with our system. And the bottom line here

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is site level planning did serve as well for many

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years, but we have now outgrown that model. Wait. For.

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Oh. No. One more. Okay. So what is District Planning?

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What does this model that I'm talking about? Basically District

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Planning organizes the county into large ecologically and operationally meaningful

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zones. So instead of planning by property by property or

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cluster of parcels, we look at entire landscapes across the

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county. So how does the ecosystem function in this area?

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How to visitors interact with this space? How do agricultural

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operations fit in? Basically what we do is we plan

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for all the parcels at once within a district. And

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that results in a comprehensive management plan for the entire

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area. That is more reflective and responsive of real world

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conditions. And as illustrated on this slide, what you're seeing

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is staff's first delineation of districts. And we looked at

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several different lenses to create these lines. Um, we looked

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at ecological systems. Um, recreation use in an area and

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how visitors flowed throughout the, um, an area. We looked

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at agriculture and working lands and how, uh, tenants move

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over landscapes. We also looked at operational logistics, like what

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it takes to support properties in different areas. So think

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about how far rangers have to drive to patrol or

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respond how we get our crews up there to maintenance

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trailheads. Um, you know, empty trash and recycling, for example.

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So the six districts that we came up with that

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made a lot of sense working together because of similar

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characteristics. Um, we call the first one in the upper

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left of the Count Lions North County. And that is

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really rugged terrain and conserved lands that are really in

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that rule urban divide. Then moving down on the east

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side, we have the river district, which is mostly the

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St. Verain corridor and properties. Um, we have going, keep

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going south. We have what we call the bread basket

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there along 287. And that's made up of high quality

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irrigated agricultural land. And then, uh, South County, southeastern part

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of the county, we are calling South County Grasslands. And

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you can think of that as like our dry land

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ag and Southern prairie grassland ecosystem group. Moving over to

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the west, you have the foothills where we really transition

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from, um, the steep foothills to lower elevations. And then

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lastly, you have the peak to peak district, which is

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that high elevation mountain landscape that centers on Netherland and

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adora. So to dive a little deeper so I can

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explain a little bit more about this district planning concept.

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It really allows us to look at a district at

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a larger landscape and operational level as complete systems. Instead

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of just like we're, you know, hyper focused on this

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one little three hang eight hundred acre patch, um, we

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can look at that whole corridor instead. And that gives

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us the ability to look at watersheds, uh, trail networks,

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visitor patterns. Um, uh, like wildlife mitigation corridors. And what

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you're seeing on the screen are actually two maps from

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the Boulder County Comprehensive Plan. Because this is very similar

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to the scale that they will use. And so when

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we're looking at that comprehensive plan and we're looking at

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just like one small little parcel, it's really hard to

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see how that influences the larger system as a whole.

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can actually take a lot of this information into much

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better consideration and make better informed decisions. So this also

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gives us the opportunity to work more closely with adjacent

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property owners. So instead of just looking at the boundaries

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of one parcel and saying, okay, who's the adjacent property

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owners, you're looking at a JSON property owners, both public

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and private throughout the district. So you can really form

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broader relationships that way and work together to create solutions

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to share challenges. So, and then practically, um, from the

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staffing side, District Scale Planning really allows us to align

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our work, the rhythm of our work at parks with

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like the practical realities of, uh, stewardship of this land

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and local government, which is our budget cycles, our capital

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improvement plans, uh, the staffing capacity that we need to

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execute this work. So it's going to create a more

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predictable and manageable planning rhythm helping ensure that each district

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is addressed thoughtfully. And that implementation is achievable. Some of

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the benefits of district planning to community engagement, um, really

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what we foresee is that our engagement work will become

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deeper and more connected to the communities who live near

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and use these landscapes. So rather than just engaging people

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in countywide processes where participation can often skew towards the

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most vocal groups, we can meet residents where they are

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and build conversations around the specific context and needs of

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each district. It's a place - based approach and it

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allows us to engage people that normally might not participate

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in the planning cycle or maybe only hear about it

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at the very end. And this allows us to really

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understand the cultural histories, traditional uses and local priorities of

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the people on that landscape. And it does not, I

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want to emphasize that it does not replace Countywide engagement.

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It's just a two - pronged approach of what we

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call both, um, County - wide and place - based

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engagement. And I'll give some examples of that a little

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later in the presentation. Uh, and then what we're hoping

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is that another benefit of this type of engagement is

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that it really introduces a predictable planning cycle for the

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community. So they know when they're district is up for

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planning instead of saying, Hey, you bought that property. You

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said you were, you know, going to do a management

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plan. When is that happening? So the instead will be

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able to say that will occur in this next district

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plan cycle. So people will, um, it's an easier way

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to understand how to be involved, to prepare for that

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planning cycle. And it will help, um, build trust and

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consistency in the process. Okay. So I'm going to take

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a breath here and move away from the model. Thank

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you, John. Move away from the model. And I just

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want to explain before I go on why POSAC is

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hearing about district planning now. And how did this topic

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emerge. So when I was serving as interim, um, I

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explained this district planning concept to County leadership, um, planning

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at a landscape scale. So this idea had been discussed

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over many years by planning staff. Um, but it never

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gained any traction. Um, but this time when I pitched

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it County leadership encouraged us to bring the IDI forward

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to the board before investing significant time in it. So

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essentially it's a check for alignment. Go ahead, Carol. Excuse

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me. Heidi. Um, Carol Bilesa. When you say County leadership,

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who do you mean? So parks and open space reports

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to the Deputy County Administrator Yvette Bowden is her name.

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Okay. And so we brought the concept. So it's basically

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here's this idea. We like it. And leadership says, I

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like that AIDA as well. Let's take it to the

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board at a work session. And what a work session

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is is a check for alignment before getting farther down

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the road. So we brought the concept to the work

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session, which was on May 26th. And that's a newer

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meeting format. So I wanted to just take a moment

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to explain it because I think the whole community is

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like, what is this work session thing that the county

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just started? And what it is, is, um, it allows

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commissioners to gather information to ask questions openly of staff

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and understand complex ideas before any informal decision making begins.

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So and these meetings are fully open to the public,

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but they don't include public comment. And it's not because

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the input isn't valued. It's because these meetings are met

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for commissioners to learn test assumptions and see the full

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range of implications before moving a topic into the public

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hearing phase. And in this case, the public hearing phase

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would be when a management plan is delivered and considered

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for adoption. And sometimes work sessions are misunderstood as replacing

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hearings or limiting input, but that is not their purpose.

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In fact, it increases transparency because, uh, by letting commissioners

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explore these ideas and, um, open in the public rather

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than behind the scenes, um, people understand how we got

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here instead of it just landing at a public hearing.

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And so this is exactly what happened with District Planning.

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So after the first work session in May, commissioners asked

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for more information, uh, we returned with a deeper analysis.

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And on Tuesday, two days ago, they formally directed staff

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to proceed. And that and beginning with the peak to

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peak district. So that's why Pozac is hearing about it,

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um, tonight, because now that the board has asked us

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to move forward, um, we are bringing this to you

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in the process at the very beginning. So I just

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want to stress, we can't get ahead of the board.

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So we're given direction. And now we can come. And

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so two days later, you are truly at the start

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of this process. And that's why I'm so excited about

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it. Okay. So I want to shift back and talk

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a little bit about peak to peak. So you're going

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to hear, I'm going to hear so much about this.

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So get on your hiking boots. And this is a

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wonderful, wonderful, beautiful part of the county. And we really

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consider it an ideal place to start this model because

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the, the district itself functions almost like a microcosm of

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the whole county because it includes a wide range of

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ecosystems. Um, it has, um, lots of, you know, visitor,

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um, interest and pressures. And operationally it has, um, a

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high need of, uh, ranger patrol and a high level

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of service. But the complexity lends itself to so many

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of the challenges that we see across the county. We

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feel like starting in the peak to peak area first.

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We'll give us a really, um, good indication if we

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can continue to use this model and translate it to

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the rest of the county. And so just to get,

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I want to give you a little bit of a

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preview here on some of the details that I am

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talking about. The first thing I want to speak to

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is the high conservation values in the peak to peak

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area. So if you look at the peak to peak

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district, I have a stat up there of 29. 7

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percent. And what that means of all of our critical

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wildlife habitat that we have in the county 30 percent

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of the land that we own in this district is

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considered critical wildlife habitat. And that's incredibly notable. It's very,

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very rich in biodiversity. And you can also see what

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the list up there, there's, um, the several other conservation,

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um, designations, uh, throughout the district. And it has been

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more than 20 years since we've done any kind of

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management planning up here. Mud Lake was the last one

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in 2004. And so it's a really good time to

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check in because of those high conservation values and make

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sure our management is in the right direction. Yes, John.

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John Wyck Posak. Well, the map's up. That's why I'm

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asking now. Where's the Tucker property? I know Reynolds. I

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don't know, Tucker. Okay. So there's a thing that I

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push that makes a dot come up. Um, I don't

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know how to do it. Sorry. I wasn't trying to

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mess with you. Oh no. It's just I always forget

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how to make this dot appear on my screen that

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helps me point it. You know what I'm talking about

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Carol. So if you look at the large complex of

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property under the word peak to peak John and then

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you go just south of that to the blob that

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has the hatching that separated from the larger area totally

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just bombing this word Tucker is do you, does that

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make sense? Yeah. Thank you. The small blob under the

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big blob. Okay. Thank you. Uh, Heidi? Yes. Uh, Trace

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Baker Posac. Another question pertaining to the map here. Looking

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at the, um, extent of lions north in longitude. It

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seems to have a lot of the characteristics of several

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other distinct districts. So could you give us very briefly,

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um, why lions is not too districts. Why isn't too

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district? Yeah. Thanks for that question, Trace. We thought about

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that. And the reason we ended up grouping them in

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the way that they are is because of that rural

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urban characteristic because lions is still really, it's pretty easy

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to get to lions, um, from lions to Longmont. It's,

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it doesn't really, you're still, it's rule, you know, but

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it's definitely not like you're at the mountains yet. So

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it's easy for us to get to. It's easy for

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us to access operationally to patrol, um, and then a

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similar use of the lands in that area is kind

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of like, I come from Longmont and I'm going to

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go hike it high. Um, so kind of a similar

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visitor use pattern as well. The little bit of an

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outliers kind of the ag piece on the north part

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and we recognize that. But we thought, what a great

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way to weave those two components into the model. Okay.

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Thank you. Okay. I want to speak briefly to some

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of the operational pressures that we have, um, at peak

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to peak. So what you're looking at here is the

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map of visitation in quarter three of last year. So

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this is just a snapshot of a quarter. And I

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know might not look like, Oh, you know, only 50,

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000 visitors, you know, that's not, you know, anything compared

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to the 89, 000 in the Boulder Foothills, but it

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doesn't quite reflect accurately the pressure's up there because we

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also manage the HESI and 4th of July trailhead. And

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that sees an annual use of 48, 000 visitors, which

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is all contained in that one seasonal area. Additionally, the

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only two parks we have up there are caribou and

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mud lake and a caribou doesn't open until June. So

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all of the visitor use happens in a very tight

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compressed timeline and it is busy. And that area actually

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also receives the first, the highest number of out of

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town visitors, as well as first time visitors and lots

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of family groups. So it's lots of education, lots of

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enforcement. Um, and it's also, um, when you're thinking about,

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you know, taking care of people when they're out hiking

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unfamiliar landscapes and emergencies happen, even if they're not on

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our property, our rangers are often called to assist because

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law enforcement, fire, they're far away in this area. And

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sometimes our resident ranger is the closest person there to

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help in an emergency. And so rangers spend a lot

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of time in this space, um, just making sure everyone

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is okay and safe. And, um, lastly, just the level

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of service need is really high. Like we have to

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drive a long way here to make sure the trash

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cans are empty to make sure the trailheads are clean.

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And so the attention and need, um, in this district.

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Okay. So I gave you kind of the benefit of

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community engagement in the district model. But what would be

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our approach actually doing the peak to peak, uh, management

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plan. And so I mentioned the two prong approach of

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community, um, engagement and place - based engagement. And I

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want to stress that we have not begun community engagement.

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I'll talk about that in a bit. We don't have

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a communications plan. Um, so we would love your ideas

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in that space. But to give you an idea, the

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County - wide engagement that will help us understand that

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broad system level values that we all share the climate

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resilience, the wildlife protection, uh, trail demand across districts, overall

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open space priorities. Everyone's going to care about that. And

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so you'll see types of engagement that are like the

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Countywide Online surveys, um, open houses, town halls. Um, email

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newsletter, all of those things, um, that are really targeted

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at everyone in the county. And then place base engagement.

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We're really focused on the mountain communities and adjacent, uh,

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landowners, including our other public land partners up there, such

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as CPW, um, and U. S. Forest service. And that's

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really conversations about the experience of being and living on

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that landscape. So the people that live there understand the

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visitor pressures. They understand congestion. They understand the emergency response.

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Um, wildlife disturbance, um, so meeting directly with them through

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local forums, community conversations, filled visits, um, that will help

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us ensure that we're capturing that lived experience. The cultural

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context of the area and their local priorities. And we

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really believe that using both approach is will give us

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a more balance process. So Countywide input that reflects those

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shared values and place - based conversations that ground the

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plan and the realities of the district. And just to

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double underline the point, of course, anyone can participate in

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any of these processes. Okay. So your participation. Here's, um,

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some of the concepts that we have for you. And

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I'd love to hear your feedback today when we're done

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about the model, the pilot and ways you'd like to

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be involved throughout the process. So you'll be seeing a

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lot of me in the future, hopefully on time, next

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time. I thank you, Tom. I really appreciate your understanding.

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And so all in all return when we're ready to

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formally kick off the process, but I'll also be giving

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you presentations throughout the process on key milestones. Um, I

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also hope that we can all get our boots and

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backpacks on and go on site visits to different areas

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over the district together. And then of course anytime you

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want to dig deeper into a component, um, that you're

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not seeing on the schedule for whatever reason, you can

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always request that presentation through the open comet period at

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this meeting. So, um, of

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course, the one thing that I do want to point

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out is we, for those of you that were here

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when we did East Boulder Creek or the weed plan

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always at the end of this process, we present, uh,

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draft plan to you for your recommendation to the board.

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And that is when the public feedback is taken. Okay.

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So what are our next steps? Do you like that,

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Carol? I had a little fun. So I want to

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emphasize now that we were at the very beginning of

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this process, uh, we just arrived at the trailhead. We're

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getting our gear in order. We're checking our water bottle,

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making sure our offline maps are downloaded. Like all of

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the things that you need to do before you start

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a climb. So the board gave us this direction on

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Tuesday. And so we have not begun anything. We have

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not begun a baseline analysis. We have not begun scoping

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the district. We haven't started our planning of community engagement.

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We haven't started conversations with any of our partners. We

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haven't looked at management options. I just want to emphasize

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that. We're in the planning to plan part of the

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process. So we're working on, actually I just started the

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RFP for a planning consultant to help support. We are,

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I'll have to develop a project charter, uh, sequence tasks

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milestone. I love a good gant chart. Critical path. Like

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all of the things that have to happen before you

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can actually start planning. So that means I'm going to

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need to need time. I'm going to need patience. All

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of that takes a lot of work and is a

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huge lift to get all those things in order so

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you can actually explain to people what the process is

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going to look like and how they can be involved

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and who you hope to talk to. So I, I

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stress all of that because, um, we've really just couldn't

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start anything because we can't get ahead of the board.

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So after that board direction, now we can do the

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planning to plan part. So this is the time to

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get organized, um, and to build a thoughtful project before

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we kick off in the fall. So at the kickoff,

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I'll be like, hello Pozak. I'm here as promised kicking

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off the peak to peak management planning process. And I'll

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present the timeline, the milestones, the engagement and communications plan

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for your review and feedback. And only afterwards will the

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work begin. So that's when we tighten the backpack and

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start the hike up the mountain. So I just wanted

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to clarify that that's how this process will go. All

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right. So, um, I would love to hear questions feedback,

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um, thoughts that you had. I provided a lot of

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material in the attachments to the memo tonight that goes

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in a lot of detail. And I have two other

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PowerPoints with many other slides that I'm happy to show.

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That would be helpful to clarify any questions that you

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might have. So thanks for your time and attention. Thank

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you, Heidi. Uh, do you have those PowerPoints now or

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is that for future meeting. Oh, I have them now.

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So I have the PowerPoints that I presented to the

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board at the two work sessions. And you can access

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them through the link that I put in your memo,

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but I can also send them to Nick in a

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PDF format if you want to see them. Okay. Um,

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I would appreciate it. I know I was only able

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to make the, um, 21st, the June 21st session virtually.

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So, but others may want to see those. Yes. Okay.

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So, and I was unable to open one of the

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links. So PDF would be nice. Okay. You got it.

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Okay. So POSAC, your questions and comments for Heidi. Carol.

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Yes, Carol Byerley. Bosak. So thank you, Heidi. You're up

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to here with this because I just watched, I spent

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the afternoon watching the County Commissioners receive your recommendations. And

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my first reaction is why not do this. I mean,

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why not do this? It makes, it makes a lot

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of sense. And one of the most interesting reasons to

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me is all of the, um. All of those sites

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that fall between the cracks, a 64 percent that's not

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part of the planning. And I'm thinking that a lot

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of that, isn't that agricultural land too? And I'm wondering

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how much agricultural land there is in peak to peak.

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And that's something that my heart is growing. As I

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watch our environment just collapse environment. So I would be

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interested in, in, um, your thoughts on that and whether

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or not we should start with a pilot that includes

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agriculture. And as a really, um, important way to bring

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those unplanned sites in areas. Yeah. Thanks for that, Carol.

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So peek to peek does contain some agricultural use, uh,

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mostly ranching. Okay. But it's definitely not like our irrigated

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ag in the bread basket. And the reason staff recommended

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peak to peak were for all the reasons that I

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talked about today. And I don't know if you remember,

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uh, that part in the PowerPoint where I talked about

475
00:31:43,465 --> 00:31:48,004
policy coverage. So, uh, for those of you that haven't,

476
00:31:48,004 --> 00:31:52,884
uh, watched it basically, uh, the policy that we have

477
00:31:53,305 --> 00:31:59,044
a cropland policy that helps our guide our tenets on

478
00:31:59,065 --> 00:32:03,124
how we expect them to make decisions related to that

479
00:32:03,465 --> 00:32:08,084
policy. It does not define the, what we're doing on

480
00:32:08,084 --> 00:32:11,684
the landscape. That's the management plan. So there definitely is

481
00:32:11,724 --> 00:32:14,964
a huge need and a gap there, but they do

482
00:32:14,985 --> 00:32:19,824
have that policy to give them some additional guidance. And

483
00:32:19,865 --> 00:32:22,404
because of all the pressures and peak to peak, that's

484
00:32:22,505 --> 00:32:26,244
why we recommended that first. Now a good part about

485
00:32:26,265 --> 00:32:30,404
this process is after we're done with peak to peak,

486
00:32:30,425 --> 00:32:36,564
if the commissioners choose to adopt the model, um, approve

487
00:32:36,604 --> 00:32:39,284
the plan, approve it with modifications. It's really about the

488
00:32:39,324 --> 00:32:43,844
model. Then where we'll be setting a schedule of updates.

489
00:32:44,491 --> 00:32:48,870
So I could see a future where in your recommendation

490
00:32:48,910 --> 00:32:51,570
to the board on the adoption of the plan, you

491
00:32:51,570 --> 00:32:55,510
could also make a, you know, recommendation on the next

492
00:32:55,771 --> 00:32:59,670
district to go to. So we anticipate about two years

493
00:32:59,931 --> 00:33:04,390
for every district planning cycle. So we could say makes

494
00:33:04,390 --> 00:33:07,270
sense to now go to the bread basket or South

495
00:33:07,270 --> 00:33:09,910
County dry lands. And then we'll have an order of

496
00:33:10,011 --> 00:33:14,710
operations, um, and so we'll know what district is next

497
00:33:14,731 --> 00:33:18,150
in line. And so we could definitely take that forward

498
00:33:18,731 --> 00:33:23,603
to the board for their consideration. Um, thank you. And,

499
00:33:23,643 --> 00:33:27,123
and, um, if I can ask another question. Certainly there

500
00:33:27,123 --> 00:33:32,163
was discussion among the commissioners about, um, being behind in

501
00:33:32,163 --> 00:33:35,663
the planning and acquiring properties and people saying, what the

502
00:33:35,663 --> 00:33:41,603
heck's going on with this property. And, um, is that,

503
00:33:41,603 --> 00:33:43,443
are lots of those up in peak to peak? Is

504
00:33:43,483 --> 00:33:47,105
that going to help us get caught up. Yes. So

505
00:33:47,406 --> 00:33:50,665
it will because all of those properties will now be

506
00:33:50,686 --> 00:33:54,905
addressed within their district cycle. So not only are we

507
00:33:55,006 --> 00:33:58,505
going to be reexamining caribou and mud lake, but we'll

508
00:33:58,505 --> 00:34:00,745
also be able to plan for all of the areas

509
00:34:00,846 --> 00:34:04,265
that we've been saying, Hey, closed until management plan or

510
00:34:04,286 --> 00:34:07,205
we'll figure out if there's what's going to be, you

511
00:34:07,205 --> 00:34:08,825
know, the long - term vision of this plan during

512
00:34:08,846 --> 00:34:12,105
the management plan process. And so you can think up

513
00:34:12,206 --> 00:34:15,625
and peak to peak. That's namely Reynolds Ranch and Tucker.

514
00:34:15,625 --> 00:34:17,465
But the other areas up there, like we have a

515
00:34:17,505 --> 00:34:20,585
whole bunch of parcels north of Gold Hill as well.

516
00:34:20,585 --> 00:34:23,225
Um, that could, you know, that this will give us

517
00:34:23,225 --> 00:34:27,385
the opportunity to examine. And without District Planning, I don't

518
00:34:27,646 --> 00:34:29,865
know Carol winner if we ever would have even got

519
00:34:29,886 --> 00:34:33,625
to those. Because that would be a separate. Okay. Now

520
00:34:33,625 --> 00:34:36,665
we're going to turn because we've been approving, purchasing these

521
00:34:36,686 --> 00:34:41,201
little inholdings. And this would capture them as well. It

522
00:34:41,201 --> 00:34:46,621
would. Okay. Let me see if I. Okay. Thank you.

523
00:34:46,642 --> 00:34:48,781
You're welcome. I'm trying to see if I have a

524
00:34:49,122 --> 00:34:53,746
Joan. Well, one thing I really like that you have

525
00:34:53,767 --> 00:34:58,066
now is that some older open space parcels have accessible

526
00:34:58,167 --> 00:35:03,006
online the management plans. And they are sometimes old, but

527
00:35:03,127 --> 00:35:09,106
they list the plants animals ecosystems and whether they're common

528
00:35:09,127 --> 00:35:12,546
or rare and how they should be managed. And it

529
00:35:12,586 --> 00:35:16,546
would be nice to keep as much as possible online

530
00:35:16,647 --> 00:35:20,386
for people to look this up. Unless of course it's

531
00:35:20,386 --> 00:35:23,026
so rare. You don't want people to know where to

532
00:35:23,066 --> 00:35:27,586
find it. Thanks for that, Joan. Um, real quickly, Carol,

533
00:35:27,586 --> 00:35:28,866
I just want to point this out that I think

534
00:35:28,887 --> 00:35:31,426
this gets to a little bit of your question because

535
00:35:31,466 --> 00:35:37,186
it's management plan gaps by percentage of acres owned. And

536
00:35:37,186 --> 00:35:40,466
then what's covered by the cropland policy. So it illustrates

537
00:35:41,367 --> 00:35:45,544
that point. And good. And then to speak, um, to

538
00:35:45,565 --> 00:35:48,744
your point, Zhang, I think what I would like to

539
00:35:48,765 --> 00:35:53,104
see, because that level of detail and old plans, I

540
00:35:53,104 --> 00:35:55,624
mean, you could always like go to the appendix and

541
00:35:55,664 --> 00:35:58,484
you would see like all the list of plants. And

542
00:35:58,484 --> 00:36:01,544
the species there. And it was wonderful, but it would

543
00:36:01,544 --> 00:36:05,144
also make the plan like 300 pages long. And so

544
00:36:05,184 --> 00:36:06,984
what I would like to see is some digital solution

545
00:36:07,165 --> 00:36:10,664
to that. And I'm going to be talking to our

546
00:36:10,845 --> 00:36:14,584
data solutions team. Like what could we put online so

547
00:36:14,584 --> 00:36:18,024
you could go to a browser and a viewer and

548
00:36:18,064 --> 00:36:22,264
click on an area and see all that information there.

549
00:36:22,525 --> 00:36:24,744
I search for a term. Yeah. Our search for a

550
00:36:24,744 --> 00:36:27,544
term put a glossary. Say, where does this plant? Where

551
00:36:27,544 --> 00:36:31,064
do we have instances of this plant occurring, for example?

552
00:36:33,725 --> 00:36:38,229
Yeah, I think that would be great. Cause that level

553
00:36:38,269 --> 00:36:41,829
of detail on a district scale, like you can't lose

554
00:36:41,850 --> 00:36:46,389
that level of detail, but does it necessarily belong in

555
00:36:46,429 --> 00:36:49,189
the appendix of the management plan or is there an

556
00:36:49,189 --> 00:36:53,509
opportunity to reference where that lives digitally so it can

557
00:36:53,509 --> 00:36:57,029
stay dynamic and updated? Right. And I assume, I mean,

558
00:36:57,210 --> 00:37:03,884
then when you're considering purchasing a parcel. So it's already

559
00:37:04,305 --> 00:37:06,604
somewhere. We do, we have it. We just need to

560
00:37:06,644 --> 00:37:12,855
put it together in a different way. Yeah. Joan. John

561
00:37:12,876 --> 00:37:15,535
White, Pozak. If each one of these is going to

562
00:37:15,535 --> 00:37:21,575
take two years, uh, why is, for example, bread basket

563
00:37:21,756 --> 00:37:24,215
in river, why are they separate? Brad Basket has two

564
00:37:24,215 --> 00:37:30,456
rivers in it. Except this year. Um, it's just, it

565
00:37:30,477 --> 00:37:37,176
doesn't seem different. Yeah. Thanks, John. So one thing first

566
00:37:37,277 --> 00:37:40,056
too that these are proposed districts. So the commissioner said

567
00:37:40,237 --> 00:37:42,536
you can proceed with the boundaries of what we see

568
00:37:42,637 --> 00:37:46,056
as the peak to peak area. But the actual refinement

569
00:37:46,557 --> 00:37:49,416
of the districts will happen at the end of this

570
00:37:49,517 --> 00:37:52,616
process. So not only am I going to be delivering

571
00:37:53,277 --> 00:37:57,496
a management plan, I'm also going to deliver the results

572
00:37:57,496 --> 00:38:03,656
of how the model itself worked for everyone's feedback and

573
00:38:03,656 --> 00:38:06,936
review. So there could be adjustments in the, um, the

574
00:38:06,957 --> 00:38:11,176
lines. That's one reason I'm hiring a planning consultant. It's

575
00:38:11,176 --> 00:38:13,556
not only help us with the management plan process, but

576
00:38:13,597 --> 00:38:16,456
also to kind of bring their national or their best

577
00:38:16,496 --> 00:38:20,376
practice in planning and look at our model, um, and

578
00:38:20,416 --> 00:38:23,096
help us, you know, talk through it and what adjustments

579
00:38:23,136 --> 00:38:25,576
we might want to make. We had pretty good reason

580
00:38:25,677 --> 00:38:28,296
for drawing the line where we did because it's the

581
00:38:28,397 --> 00:38:32,776
switch between the irrigated high value ag. And where things

582
00:38:32,816 --> 00:38:36,856
really get much more urban and dry. So that's why

583
00:38:36,896 --> 00:38:39,336
we have the line where we do. Could we adjust

584
00:38:39,376 --> 00:38:46,513
it? Absolutely. Any other Lauren. Yeah. Lauren Kelso. I can

585
00:38:46,513 --> 00:38:49,393
see why you're excited about this hiding. I am too.

586
00:38:49,393 --> 00:38:51,393
I think, um, I'll just start by saying I think

587
00:38:51,393 --> 00:38:54,800
this is a really important step. On so many levels

588
00:38:54,821 --> 00:38:57,360
that you already pointed out. So I won't reiterate them.

589
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,080
But as far as ecosystem management and things like that

590
00:39:00,261 --> 00:39:04,640
makes a lot of sense. I have, I think my

591
00:39:04,661 --> 00:39:09,360
first thought for you as you enter this planning piece.

592
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:13,040
These timelines kind of freak me out. I think I'm

593
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,840
just kind of wondering if you can talk us and

594
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:21,520
probably anybody who's listening through what happens in the interim

595
00:39:21,701 --> 00:39:25,260
for all these pieces that aren't under active management. And

596
00:39:25,461 --> 00:39:27,520
I, I am also going to push back just a

597
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,480
little bit around the policies, not a plan. And so

598
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,520
I'm going to, I think we got to kind of

599
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,120
think about how do we get these things wrapped into

600
00:39:35,861 --> 00:39:37,920
a good plan so that we're moving on the right

601
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,960
direction before 12 years passes? Yeah, I hear you. So

602
00:39:42,741 --> 00:39:49,280
management planning integrates policy direction. And this process does not

603
00:39:49,781 --> 00:39:53,840
substitute for addressing emerging issues or needs. And one of

604
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,320
the reasons we are so behind is because that's all

605
00:39:56,360 --> 00:40:00,780
we've been doing is addressing, emerging issues and needs. And

606
00:40:00,901 --> 00:40:03,680
the flood, you know, we had the flood that put

607
00:40:04,421 --> 00:40:08,160
us, we didn't do any planning for almost a decade.

608
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:11,600
And actually when I started four and a half years

609
00:40:11,621 --> 00:40:15,520
ago, um, I still remember one of my staff saying,

610
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,720
okay, here's my list of flood recovery projects. And that

611
00:40:18,741 --> 00:40:21,520
was 2022. And I'm like, wait, when was your flood?

612
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:26,880
And they're like 2013. And I was like, Oh, wow.

613
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:30,240
Cause that's how anyone that's ever worked with FEMA and

614
00:40:30,240 --> 00:40:32,000
like, it's a thing. It really takes a lot of

615
00:40:32,261 --> 00:40:37,120
capacity. And so what will have to do with both

616
00:40:37,221 --> 00:40:40,400
for a while is we'll have to start this planning,

617
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,040
this larger scale planning, get these lands under a management

618
00:40:43,061 --> 00:40:48,560
plan methodically to your intervals and still deal with emerging

619
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,200
conditions. And then hopefully after we've been able to go

620
00:40:51,381 --> 00:40:54,960
through the whole planning cycle, what we're doing is checking

621
00:40:54,981 --> 00:40:58,560
back in and refreshing that district plan. And so if

622
00:40:58,581 --> 00:41:01,120
there's an emerging need, I'm not going to say, okay,

623
00:41:01,621 --> 00:41:04,240
wait eight years for that district plan. It'll be like,

624
00:41:04,240 --> 00:41:06,640
okay, let's check in on the plan and give it

625
00:41:06,661 --> 00:41:11,276
a refresh to meet that. Emerging need. Is that always

626
00:41:11,297 --> 00:41:13,676
going, are we always going to be able to sync

627
00:41:13,937 --> 00:41:16,716
those two things up perfectly? No, but it'll be a

628
00:41:16,716 --> 00:41:20,476
lot closer and a lot easier. So we'll still tackle

629
00:41:20,977 --> 00:41:24,636
those issues as they arise. We're just hoping that on

630
00:41:24,676 --> 00:41:27,676
the other side of the mountain, um, that we will

631
00:41:27,697 --> 00:41:32,316
have the whole County addressed, which under the existing model

632
00:41:32,417 --> 00:41:37,836
now, like would just be completely unattainable. I think it'd

633
00:41:37,836 --> 00:41:42,076
be interesting to, um, as your meeting with consultants and

634
00:41:42,097 --> 00:41:45,516
working on those RFPs to maybe talk about duplicative efforts

635
00:41:45,617 --> 00:41:47,356
or what is the budget if we want to try

636
00:41:47,396 --> 00:41:49,436
to do two districts at once. Like if you have

637
00:41:50,177 --> 00:41:53,276
consulting, like I think that's worth, I know the staff

638
00:41:53,377 --> 00:41:55,496
capacity issues here and things like that. But if you

639
00:41:55,496 --> 00:41:57,836
are bringing in outside consultants to help with the process

640
00:41:58,097 --> 00:42:01,036
or something, if there's, if there's any way to work

641
00:42:01,457 --> 00:42:05,516
that timeline, um, I think it'd be interesting to know.

642
00:42:05,617 --> 00:42:07,756
That's a really interesting idea, Laura. And I hadn't thought

643
00:42:07,756 --> 00:42:14,076
of that. Um, so let's chew through peak to peak.

644
00:42:14,076 --> 00:42:17,436
Right. And then, you know, maybe what it is after

645
00:42:17,697 --> 00:42:20,156
we have, because we're doing the two things now with

646
00:42:20,257 --> 00:42:22,476
vetting the model and doing the plan. So once the

647
00:42:22,497 --> 00:42:25,596
model is vetted and we're feeling confident and made the

648
00:42:25,697 --> 00:42:30,396
adjustments, um, based on lessons learned. It's a plug and

649
00:42:30,436 --> 00:42:32,376
play. Not that it's ever going to be, you know,

650
00:42:32,577 --> 00:42:35,276
simple or easy. Each district is represent so many of

651
00:42:35,316 --> 00:42:37,196
its own unique things. But yeah, if you have a

652
00:42:37,236 --> 00:42:39,676
model that you could and even ask and consultants about

653
00:42:39,697 --> 00:42:43,516
that, um, about like, Hey, as you're going through this

654
00:42:43,537 --> 00:42:46,076
process and do things like this, how it works. What

655
00:42:46,076 --> 00:42:50,076
would that look like? How do we, yeah. Yeah. Never

656
00:42:50,076 --> 00:42:52,396
know though. Don't know unless you ask. So thanks for

657
00:42:52,436 --> 00:42:55,396
that. Okay. Thanks for that. I'm an optimist. Yeah. I

658
00:42:55,396 --> 00:42:57,436
appreciate that. Just one, uh, when I have one or

659
00:42:57,436 --> 00:43:03,096
two other things, if that's okay. Um, one of the

660
00:43:03,096 --> 00:43:06,076
things I heard while Carol and I clearly know how

661
00:43:06,076 --> 00:43:07,676
to have a good time. I also listened to the

662
00:43:07,716 --> 00:43:11,836
commissioner hearing from the 21st. And I, you know, I

663
00:43:11,836 --> 00:43:14,676
heard a real push and pull there about sort of

664
00:43:14,737 --> 00:43:18,716
what is being prioritized out of all the priorities and

665
00:43:18,756 --> 00:43:23,116
goals of set out by open space. Um, and I

666
00:43:23,116 --> 00:43:27,436
think that's another thing as you work with consultants. They

667
00:43:27,436 --> 00:43:32,200
should be able to really, um, address that. As part

668
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:37,400
of the plan. Like how are we prioritizing those are,

669
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,240
yes, these are, these are them. You're familiar with them

670
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,040
at this point. Right. Um, because it's real. It's a

671
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:45,640
real conflict for decision making and budgetary constraints and all

672
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:49,960
of those things. So like giving us some transparency around

673
00:43:50,141 --> 00:43:53,000
how resources are being spent to achieve the goals of

674
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:59,080
these plans and really how is staff going to make

675
00:43:59,421 --> 00:44:04,920
hard decisions in times of lean resources. And I think

676
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,240
about that both from the financial side of things and

677
00:44:07,261 --> 00:44:13,000
also like human resources and also our natural resources. So,

678
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:14,920
um, that was my only other, it's not really a

679
00:44:14,941 --> 00:44:17,000
question, but just something I think that should be something

680
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:20,040
that a consultant does for us. Um, is to sort

681
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:23,400
of talk about how, how we grapple with these competing

682
00:44:23,421 --> 00:44:28,199
goals, um, as we go through the planning. Effort. Lauren,

683
00:44:28,199 --> 00:44:30,919
are you thinking of like what's a decision process looked

684
00:44:30,919 --> 00:44:34,599
like or is it more like, here are all the

685
00:44:34,620 --> 00:44:38,919
things that we want to do and staff is recommending

686
00:44:39,500 --> 00:44:44,263
we prioritize these things for these reasons. Yeah. I mean,

687
00:44:44,524 --> 00:44:46,823
the easiest and obvious example for me comes up around

688
00:44:46,924 --> 00:44:52,503
making choices between recreation, conservation and working lands. Yeah. Right.

689
00:44:52,503 --> 00:44:55,383
You come up with those, those are conflicts so not

690
00:44:55,383 --> 00:44:59,223
conflicts, but you know what I mean. Priorities compete priorities

691
00:44:59,964 --> 00:45:03,623
a lot. So as a county and even as a

692
00:45:03,663 --> 00:45:08,823
district, um, what are we prioritizing each of those districts?

693
00:45:08,823 --> 00:45:11,143
I actually see a lot of opportunity in all of

694
00:45:11,143 --> 00:45:16,903
these different in your different, um, landscapes, if you will,

695
00:45:16,903 --> 00:45:19,783
or, uh, to say, Hey, this is a, this is

696
00:45:19,783 --> 00:45:22,983
the bread basket of our community. We really need to

697
00:45:22,983 --> 00:45:27,180
be prioritizing when push comes to shove. Uh, what our

698
00:45:27,180 --> 00:45:31,071
producers need in this space. Over here, this is a

699
00:45:31,172 --> 00:45:35,611
primary recreation district. We sometimes will need to prioritize. And

700
00:45:35,611 --> 00:45:37,711
I don't know, maybe that's too bold, but I just,

701
00:45:37,711 --> 00:45:40,111
I think we've got to, or maybe the different framework

702
00:45:40,151 --> 00:45:43,631
for decision making, um, there, as you guys go through

703
00:45:43,892 --> 00:45:46,031
this, does that make sense? It does learn. Thanks for

704
00:45:46,071 --> 00:45:49,631
that feedback. I think one thing that we can do

705
00:45:49,972 --> 00:45:54,591
is be, um, very transparent about our framework for decision

706
00:45:54,772 --> 00:45:58,591
making when it comes to like where we're putting recreation

707
00:46:00,772 --> 00:46:05,551
and how we're trying to promote connectivity. Like I feel

708
00:46:05,551 --> 00:46:09,071
like I think that is a priority. It's like connectivity

709
00:46:09,412 --> 00:46:13,071
and like different opportunities, a range of opportunities. I think

710
00:46:13,572 --> 00:46:17,951
the struggle lies in that staff can give recommendations on

711
00:46:18,132 --> 00:46:21,071
priorities, but the board is the one that has to

712
00:46:21,172 --> 00:46:28,091
like to either affirm that recommendation or say, thank you

713
00:46:28,091 --> 00:46:31,311
very much. This is what I want to focus on.

714
00:46:31,311 --> 00:46:34,351
And so sometimes that doesn't come to the end of

715
00:46:34,351 --> 00:46:38,111
the process, which is a little bit unfortunate. Um, but

716
00:46:38,132 --> 00:46:41,771
that's kind of the reality in which we work. And

717
00:46:41,771 --> 00:46:43,951
so I think one of the things, if you listen

718
00:46:43,991 --> 00:46:46,511
to the conversation on the 21st, the reason we brought

719
00:46:46,612 --> 00:46:48,991
this all up is because we were just interested to

720
00:46:49,031 --> 00:46:51,771
hear what they, they wanted to have the conversation. And

721
00:46:51,771 --> 00:46:55,071
so you heard that conversation. And I would encourage the

722
00:46:55,111 --> 00:46:58,351
rest of the Pozac members to discuss, you know, to

723
00:46:58,351 --> 00:47:01,631
listen to that. Um, and there's always an opportunity to

724
00:47:01,732 --> 00:47:06,831
go to the open public comment section of board meetings

725
00:47:06,932 --> 00:47:09,471
and kind of talk about that as well because they

726
00:47:09,652 --> 00:47:12,911
rely on community members to, to say like, Hey, what

727
00:47:12,932 --> 00:47:15,951
are your priorities for parks and open space? And I

728
00:47:15,972 --> 00:47:19,631
see Jason at the table wanting to potentially say something

729
00:47:19,892 --> 00:47:26,868
right here. Jason Suk, Director of Parks on Open Space.

730
00:47:26,868 --> 00:47:29,748
I'm not trying to interrupt. You're fun here. Um, but,

731
00:47:29,748 --> 00:47:32,788
uh, it's a good question. It's something that we've been

732
00:47:32,828 --> 00:47:36,228
thinking of. And I think that district planning gives us

733
00:47:36,268 --> 00:47:39,428
a chance to think about those priorities. But think about

734
00:47:39,468 --> 00:47:42,208
them differently in different places. So if we're thinking, you

735
00:47:42,208 --> 00:47:44,868
know, just on a piece of paper here and let's

736
00:47:44,868 --> 00:47:47,828
say you had an exercise where you prioritized some of

737
00:47:47,828 --> 00:47:50,628
these over another, that may not be true in different

738
00:47:50,668 --> 00:47:54,068
places. And so I think, thinking about it, not parcel

739
00:47:54,068 --> 00:47:57,328
by parcel, not across the entire County, but, you know,

740
00:47:57,328 --> 00:48:00,288
in, in specific place - based areas makes a lot

741
00:48:00,288 --> 00:48:02,788
of sense. And then I, the other bit that I'm

742
00:48:02,788 --> 00:48:05,428
really excited about is the community engagement part of the

743
00:48:05,449 --> 00:48:08,948
process. So, you know, we're thinking about priorities, but let's,

744
00:48:08,988 --> 00:48:13,108
let's hear from, from people and get their feedback as

745
00:48:13,129 --> 00:48:16,548
to, um, what, what we think we should do in

746
00:48:16,569 --> 00:48:19,188
different districts. So I'm looking forward to it. It's a

747
00:48:19,188 --> 00:48:21,828
bit of a road, but thanks for letting me interrupt.

748
00:48:22,089 --> 00:48:28,438
Yes. And it's a mountain. Hi, Deed. Trace Baker Posac.

749
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:35,687
And I'm sorry. Good question. Oh. Okay. I'm sorry. Okay.

750
00:48:37,401 --> 00:48:42,943
Why don't you go ahead. Christine Johnson Posack. Um, I'm

751
00:48:42,964 --> 00:48:46,383
really happy about this because on a lot of the

752
00:48:46,484 --> 00:48:50,223
tours, this is something that I have engaged with staff

753
00:48:50,484 --> 00:48:54,783
on and pushed about, you know, I've asked, what is

754
00:48:54,783 --> 00:49:00,783
the short mid long range plan for this parcel? And,

755
00:49:00,783 --> 00:49:06,283
um, often staff is honest. Um, they don't know. And

756
00:49:06,484 --> 00:49:10,063
I, I, I think that this is a way to

757
00:49:10,724 --> 00:49:16,463
transition to managing, um, County Land in a different way.

758
00:49:16,463 --> 00:49:20,703
Um, I want to underscore, uh, what Lauren and John

759
00:49:20,743 --> 00:49:23,423
were pushing at, I'm really concerned about a 10 or

760
00:49:23,444 --> 00:49:30,383
12 year cycle of four, um, whoever's hanging out there

761
00:49:30,484 --> 00:49:38,169
at the end. I also, um, I really want to,

762
00:49:38,169 --> 00:49:43,342
um. Maybe I'll ask an open - ended question. Um,

763
00:49:43,703 --> 00:49:47,362
and, and, um, I'm, I mean this in the friendliest

764
00:49:47,362 --> 00:49:51,522
way possible, what have you, what has been learned from

765
00:49:51,863 --> 00:49:57,362
some of the feedback, um, sessions, um, in the, in

766
00:49:57,402 --> 00:50:02,642
the time that I've been on, on PocSac that will

767
00:50:02,682 --> 00:50:08,903
make this useful for both. Staff and impactful for the

768
00:50:08,943 --> 00:50:14,115
community. Christine, could you explain like in the context of

769
00:50:15,016 --> 00:50:18,435
what components? So I feel like, um, the way that

770
00:50:19,096 --> 00:50:23,315
you gather feedback has been evolving because I think that

771
00:50:23,496 --> 00:50:27,455
there have been, um, a couple of instances where, um,

772
00:50:28,776 --> 00:50:33,395
the community hasn't felt like, um, they were captured in

773
00:50:33,395 --> 00:50:38,355
the intended process. So, so, so prairie run is an

774
00:50:38,395 --> 00:50:41,475
example. And I think that you, you personally handle that

775
00:50:41,816 --> 00:50:46,035
really well. Like, um, there were some, some rounds of

776
00:50:46,376 --> 00:50:50,115
going back to make sure to include everyone. And I'm

777
00:50:50,115 --> 00:50:52,915
just, I see this as a process. It's going to

778
00:50:53,176 --> 00:50:56,035
involve a whole lot of community engagement. And I am

779
00:50:56,056 --> 00:51:00,595
really interested in both the County Wide and the District

780
00:51:01,336 --> 00:51:06,755
specific. And I'm, I'm curious about what has been learned

781
00:51:07,016 --> 00:51:12,275
and what you see coming. Okay. Thanks, Christine. So here's

782
00:51:12,376 --> 00:51:17,075
what I know as a planner is planning moves at

783
00:51:17,075 --> 00:51:25,625
the speed of trust. And when proposing planning timelines. Sometimes.

784
00:51:26,453 --> 00:51:30,512
Leadership would like a shorter timeline. So you have to

785
00:51:30,693 --> 00:51:34,352
work with what you're given, which often means the public

786
00:51:34,693 --> 00:51:40,192
process. People were busy, right? So, you know, when you're

787
00:51:40,453 --> 00:51:44,352
two thirds away or through a planning process and somebody

788
00:51:44,392 --> 00:51:48,592
that's directly interested or impacted by that planning process just

789
00:51:48,592 --> 00:51:53,521
now hears of it, that's a problem. And so you

790
00:51:53,561 --> 00:51:58,401
have to have enough time in a planning process to

791
00:51:58,742 --> 00:52:07,681
properly engage with community, stakeholders adjacent partners, internal departments. Like

792
00:52:08,022 --> 00:52:15,217
and that takes time. And it's, so the, the benefit

793
00:52:15,217 --> 00:52:19,137
that I see with District Planning and the, uh, and

794
00:52:19,158 --> 00:52:23,937
this approach is that will be able to create an

795
00:52:23,958 --> 00:52:28,897
engagement model that the community will understand. And we're not

796
00:52:28,937 --> 00:52:33,217
like relaunching this new thing every time. And Hey, you

797
00:52:33,217 --> 00:52:35,377
know, we're over here in all the noise of social

798
00:52:35,398 --> 00:52:40,097
media and all the newsletters that everyone automatically deletes. Like

799
00:52:40,097 --> 00:52:44,177
people will start like be able to dial into the

800
00:52:44,838 --> 00:52:49,777
pace and tempo of our planning process. And then they'll

801
00:52:49,798 --> 00:52:52,177
know like, Hey, maybe I don't care about peak to

802
00:52:52,177 --> 00:52:55,297
peak, but I know this district is next. And so

803
00:52:55,318 --> 00:52:58,897
that's when I'm going to read, start reading those newsletters.

804
00:52:58,897 --> 00:53:02,177
And so this really gives us the opportunity to start

805
00:53:02,438 --> 00:53:06,017
building sustained trust with our community and just sustain it

806
00:53:06,057 --> 00:53:09,697
throughout all of the districts. So almost an ongoing engagement

807
00:53:10,038 --> 00:53:13,777
cycle is what I'm hoping for. Because then we're just

808
00:53:13,777 --> 00:53:19,297
talking about planning all the time, which I personally appreciate,

809
00:53:19,297 --> 00:53:21,777
but we've got to have that dialogue with our community.

810
00:53:21,777 --> 00:53:23,857
And so if you're thinking of like lessons learned and

811
00:53:23,857 --> 00:53:26,897
feedback, that's what it is. It's a dialogue. And we

812
00:53:26,998 --> 00:53:30,657
haven't had a mechanism for that. So when people tell

813
00:53:30,758 --> 00:53:33,457
us something, it's like, well, you know, if it's an

814
00:53:33,497 --> 00:53:35,937
emerging issue, we're going to work hard to address it.

815
00:53:35,937 --> 00:53:42,217
But we can't tackle everything that's a lower priority, if

816
00:53:42,217 --> 00:53:49,323
that makes sense. Thank you. Joan. And I just want

817
00:53:49,424 --> 00:53:53,083
to also say that I think the district planning method

818
00:53:53,123 --> 00:53:56,647
is a good one. And also that I know we

819
00:53:56,748 --> 00:54:00,807
have parcels that there's no management plan or not much.

820
00:54:00,807 --> 00:54:04,247
And but I'm glad we snapped up those parcels when

821
00:54:04,287 --> 00:54:06,807
they were available. Because the more time goes by the

822
00:54:07,148 --> 00:54:14,716
harder it is to, you know, obtain these environmentally. Precious

823
00:54:15,537 --> 00:54:19,334
parcels. A great jungler. We're very blessed to have the

824
00:54:19,355 --> 00:54:22,454
110, 000 acres that we do in fee title or

825
00:54:22,454 --> 00:54:29,042
conservation easement. Okay. Thank you. Terry Spaker Posac. I actually

826
00:54:29,042 --> 00:54:32,882
have a number of questions and comments here. And I

827
00:54:32,983 --> 00:54:35,602
know it may be too early for this. But as

828
00:54:35,642 --> 00:54:39,122
part of your planning, um, I'd very much like you

829
00:54:39,162 --> 00:54:45,202
to define metrics to decide whether or not this peak

830
00:54:45,303 --> 00:54:49,042
to peak is a successful pilot or not. And so

831
00:54:49,082 --> 00:54:52,322
you can make go no go decision based on metrics

832
00:54:52,583 --> 00:54:57,602
or in part on metrics. Would like to remind Posac

833
00:54:57,943 --> 00:55:00,802
that if you do make comments to the County Commissioners

834
00:55:00,842 --> 00:55:05,122
through their website, um, you're very much welcome to do

835
00:55:05,162 --> 00:55:08,722
that. But please do so as an individual, uh, and

836
00:55:08,743 --> 00:55:11,682
not as member of post Act. Don't identify your self

837
00:55:11,722 --> 00:55:15,122
as such or put in a disclaimer that you're speaking

838
00:55:15,122 --> 00:55:21,571
for yourself. Um, the big thing here, um, is that

839
00:55:21,592 --> 00:55:27,231
when the commissioners limited public comments to decision items, um,

840
00:55:29,192 --> 00:55:31,171
we're, you know, as post sac, we're not really getting

841
00:55:31,272 --> 00:55:37,171
the public input that we use to get on items

842
00:55:37,432 --> 00:55:39,891
that you will be bringing to us, uh, during your

843
00:55:39,992 --> 00:55:46,735
process here. And, uh, my experience over the years on

844
00:55:46,836 --> 00:55:51,055
Possac has been that the dynamic is very different between

845
00:55:51,396 --> 00:55:55,775
what people bring to post sac in this room and

846
00:55:55,775 --> 00:55:59,455
what, how people fill out surveys and go, go to

847
00:55:59,476 --> 00:56:03,135
your, uh, work sessions that, you know, you handle like

848
00:56:03,135 --> 00:56:09,135
you did with the, um, uh, bike trail, uh, pilot.

849
00:56:09,135 --> 00:56:12,575
So, um, you know, I would hope that there could

850
00:56:12,575 --> 00:56:17,855
be some way for Posac to get, uh, public input,

851
00:56:17,855 --> 00:56:21,695
uh, throughout this process, because there's, there are voices there

852
00:56:21,796 --> 00:56:29,276
that we're not hearing. So when you had, you're on

853
00:56:29,297 --> 00:56:32,796
one of your slides, you identified or want to identify

854
00:56:33,857 --> 00:56:38,076
Countywide stakeholder groups. And so I wanted to clear Postsac

855
00:56:38,257 --> 00:56:41,676
is a stakeholder with the same statuses, any other group

856
00:56:41,857 --> 00:56:49,728
that you might identify. And then for, um, a question

857
00:56:50,229 --> 00:56:55,408
actually to Poc A, our bylaws allow calling study sessions

858
00:56:56,149 --> 00:56:59,888
and creating subcommittees. And it sounds like this is going

859
00:56:59,888 --> 00:57:05,628
to be a very big and very important, you know,

860
00:57:05,989 --> 00:57:12,128
process for the county. And whether, um, participating in this

861
00:57:12,309 --> 00:57:16,528
pilot, uh, would it be worthwhile for us to either

862
00:57:16,709 --> 00:57:21,248
convene study sessions or a subcommittee? And I know that

863
00:57:21,509 --> 00:57:25,568
will mean extra work for us. Um, but it might

864
00:57:25,608 --> 00:57:30,928
be, uh, very useful, uh, as input, uh, to county

865
00:57:30,928 --> 00:57:34,768
decision making, um, in my, I think seven years now

866
00:57:34,869 --> 00:57:37,888
on post sac, I have not seen a study session

867
00:57:37,989 --> 00:57:42,048
or a subcommittee. And the bylaws don't tell us how

868
00:57:42,149 --> 00:57:44,528
to do that. So we'd have to make it up,

869
00:57:44,528 --> 00:57:48,608
uh, as we go. But, um, we're like post sac

870
00:57:48,608 --> 00:57:51,948
members to think about this as the planning proceeds. You

871
00:57:51,948 --> 00:57:54,288
know, it's too early to, uh, try and set up

872
00:57:54,288 --> 00:57:57,968
anything right now. But that is available for our decision

873
00:57:58,229 --> 00:58:03,107
making. Yes, John. I have a question about that. Is

874
00:58:04,888 --> 00:58:07,187
there three or more of us together? We can't talk

875
00:58:07,288 --> 00:58:10,627
about it in open session. How does that work? I'm

876
00:58:10,627 --> 00:58:15,107
certainly willing to volunteer my time to help with this.

877
00:58:15,208 --> 00:58:19,407
We may need to get legal advice on that. But

878
00:58:19,407 --> 00:58:25,027
if we, you know, but as bringing up, I mean,

879
00:58:25,048 --> 00:58:29,667
establishing a, uh, study session or a subcommittee that would

880
00:58:29,667 --> 00:58:34,467
be a, um, a legal post Ac meeting. And as

881
00:58:34,467 --> 00:58:35,987
I said, we'll need to figure out how to do

882
00:58:36,027 --> 00:58:44,756
that if it comes up. Lord. Yeah. Um, Lauren Kelso,

883
00:58:44,937 --> 00:58:46,996
I love that idea, Trace and thanks for bringing it

884
00:58:46,996 --> 00:58:49,476
up. I think it'd be also interesting as staff moves

885
00:58:49,476 --> 00:58:51,716
to our work to think about what, uh, types of

886
00:58:51,897 --> 00:58:55,636
working groups or subcommittees would be helpful to your work,

887
00:58:55,636 --> 00:58:58,516
you know, like helping to identify things that feel sticky

888
00:58:58,937 --> 00:59:01,636
or that you foresee being tricky to navigate and utilizing

889
00:59:01,817 --> 00:59:04,516
this board to do that. Okay. Thank you. Carol. He

890
00:59:04,556 --> 00:59:06,836
could self - identify too, but if you helpful, they

891
00:59:06,836 --> 00:59:11,236
have their ideas. Carol. Carol Byrnee. And I've been staff

892
00:59:11,497 --> 00:59:14,276
for a long time in various organizations. And when I

893
00:59:14,276 --> 00:59:17,156
hear subcommittees and work groups, I think, Oh my God,

894
00:59:17,977 --> 00:59:21,956
more work for me. So I was, but I'm thinking

895
00:59:22,377 --> 00:59:24,756
at this very early stage, cause you've been talking about

896
00:59:25,337 --> 00:59:29,156
community engagement, community engagement. That's what we are supposed to

897
00:59:29,156 --> 00:59:33,316
be. And so think of a way of engaging POSAC

898
00:59:33,337 --> 00:59:37,876
by assigning us some of this work or saying this

899
00:59:37,876 --> 00:59:40,836
is where a lot of this community engagement. And that,

900
00:59:40,857 --> 00:59:45,556
that word is just, it's education. It's, it's receiving of

901
00:59:45,897 --> 00:59:50,356
views. It's, it's a lot of different things. Um, but,

902
00:59:50,377 --> 00:59:55,476
but fitting POSAC into the process rather than just coming

903
00:59:55,657 --> 00:59:57,876
and telling us stuff every once in a while. I

904
00:59:57,876 --> 01:00:01,636
think might be a way to help rather than harass.

905
01:00:04,458 --> 01:00:08,997
This system. And, um, and that's what we're for. We're,

906
01:00:08,997 --> 01:00:11,957
we're like, um, Oh, I don't even want to say

907
01:00:11,997 --> 01:00:17,557
this valve. Pressure release valve. I was thinking more uterine.

908
01:00:17,557 --> 01:00:21,137
But I was thinking, you know, it was, you know,

909
01:00:21,258 --> 01:00:29,557
protecting the feed. Anyway, so, you know, stop. But, but

910
01:00:29,738 --> 01:00:33,557
information gathering as a way. So anyway, that's I've said,

911
01:00:33,557 --> 01:00:38,037
certainly said enough. But let's think about how POSAC can

912
01:00:38,077 --> 01:00:43,075
be part of the process instead of added on. Harassment,

913
01:00:43,075 --> 01:00:45,075
which, which is some of the tones of some of

914
01:00:45,075 --> 01:00:47,435
these, we will advise you, we will advise you. We

915
01:00:47,435 --> 01:00:48,995
want to be part of the system. We don't want

916
01:00:48,995 --> 01:00:52,995
to just be advised. And I think I speak for

917
01:00:52,995 --> 01:00:56,195
us. You speak from me, Carol. And, and if we

918
01:00:56,235 --> 01:01:00,195
can be, and so plug us in on the engagement

919
01:01:00,376 --> 01:01:04,835
part. And that can be study sessions where people can

920
01:01:04,875 --> 01:01:08,195
talk. We can be sent places to listen to people,

921
01:01:08,195 --> 01:01:12,171
that kind of thing. That's my suggestion. Okay. Thank you.

922
01:01:12,752 --> 01:01:16,151
Thanks to all of you. And I, what I can

923
01:01:16,151 --> 01:01:20,251
do though, is take this feedback. And since I have

924
01:01:20,251 --> 01:01:24,558
to plan to plan, I can make a plan. And

925
01:01:24,598 --> 01:01:26,958
see what you all think about the ideas included in

926
01:01:26,958 --> 01:01:28,398
there. Like I don't want to jump ahead and be

927
01:01:28,438 --> 01:01:30,958
like, Oh yeah, I'm going to do these eight things.

928
01:01:30,958 --> 01:01:33,758
I want to make that plan and use your feedback

929
01:01:34,099 --> 01:01:35,998
and then bring something to you for you to look

930
01:01:36,038 --> 01:01:38,958
at. And then you can tell me if you support

931
01:01:39,059 --> 01:01:41,918
it or if you want modifications. Cause I have lots

932
01:01:41,918 --> 01:01:44,958
of things that I'm thinking of. But I mean, I

933
01:01:44,998 --> 01:01:47,118
don't even have a project charter yet. So this is

934
01:01:47,139 --> 01:01:49,918
exactly what I was hoping for tonight. Thank you. Okay.

935
01:01:49,958 --> 01:01:54,718
So in final comment for me, Trace Baker Posec is

936
01:01:54,758 --> 01:01:59,838
that when we were discussing the alternate trails pilot, there

937
01:01:59,939 --> 01:02:03,358
was a survey. And with the caution that it was

938
01:02:03,379 --> 01:02:06,958
not, um, and I use the word scientific, which was,

939
01:02:06,958 --> 01:02:11,118
uh, what we were told. And, um, you know, I

940
01:02:11,158 --> 01:02:17,998
would advise you to think about doing a statistically valid

941
01:02:18,038 --> 01:02:21,278
survey this time. You know, again, because the sweep is

942
01:02:21,278 --> 01:02:28,058
much greater than the trail's pilot. And so, you know,

943
01:02:28,259 --> 01:02:31,438
maybe another consultant, but, um, I think that would be

944
01:02:31,438 --> 01:02:35,385
worthwhile. Trace, do you see that county wide or by

945
01:02:35,406 --> 01:02:40,565
district? Um, I'd say right now, just for the, uh,

946
01:02:40,846 --> 01:02:46,359
peak to peak pilot and see how it goes. And

947
01:02:46,359 --> 01:02:48,839
then decide whether you want to do it with the

948
01:02:48,839 --> 01:02:52,917
rest of the streaks. Yeah. Thanks for that feedback. I

949
01:02:52,957 --> 01:02:55,397
know it's very expensive, but we can definitely look at

950
01:02:55,437 --> 01:02:59,463
that. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Any other. Lauren?

951
01:02:59,463 --> 01:03:01,143
Yeah. I have a cup just a couple more little

952
01:03:01,143 --> 01:03:04,243
things. In my notes, I had a question about, um,

953
01:03:05,084 --> 01:03:07,543
how you see these plans interacting with all the other

954
01:03:07,644 --> 01:03:10,483
plans? You guys have many plans. So if you, um,

955
01:03:10,924 --> 01:03:14,023
not necessarily in terms of parks and open space, but,

956
01:03:14,023 --> 01:03:16,323
you know, the climate action plan out there. There are

957
01:03:16,323 --> 01:03:19,383
the policy documents, things like that. How do you, how

958
01:03:19,404 --> 01:03:22,743
do you see those integrating into this process? Yeah. So

959
01:03:23,164 --> 01:03:28,143
depending on who owns that associated and related plan, so

960
01:03:28,143 --> 01:03:30,483
like, um, for example, we hope to work a lot

961
01:03:30,483 --> 01:03:33,063
with Oscar in this process. And internally that has a

962
01:03:33,063 --> 01:03:37,943
lot of climate, um, goals and related plans. And so

963
01:03:37,964 --> 01:03:43,143
that would be in a like information exchange and consultation

964
01:03:43,164 --> 01:03:46,583
with them. And so when we are, you know, discussing

965
01:03:46,684 --> 01:03:51,903
items that are related to climate resilience and sustainability, we

966
01:03:51,903 --> 01:03:55,063
would seek their feedback and guidance from not only staff

967
01:03:55,084 --> 01:03:57,943
and community, but also what that plan says. Because that

968
01:03:58,364 --> 01:04:01,223
plan is supposed to represent the community feedback. And so

969
01:04:01,263 --> 01:04:03,943
we would do the same with all of our plans.

970
01:04:03,943 --> 01:04:05,863
So we're not going to, you know, come out and

971
01:04:05,903 --> 01:04:08,263
say, Hey, we're going to manage this land and this

972
01:04:08,303 --> 01:04:11,783
radically different way than what our policy prescribes. It'll be

973
01:04:11,823 --> 01:04:16,023
like using that planner policy to give us guidance. Great.

974
01:04:16,023 --> 01:04:18,183
Thanks. And then sort of similar question, but, um, we

975
01:04:18,223 --> 01:04:20,823
did receive a public comment, I think through the portal

976
01:04:21,164 --> 01:04:25,143
earlier today. And they had, uh, they were all in

977
01:04:25,143 --> 01:04:28,003
favor of this, this that you guys are doing, but

978
01:04:28,003 --> 01:04:31,063
also had sort of questions about working with partner groups

979
01:04:31,244 --> 01:04:35,303
and other like landscape planning landscape level planning organizations that

980
01:04:35,324 --> 01:04:37,543
have done work in this specifically in the peak to

981
01:04:37,543 --> 01:04:40,023
peak area. So that'll just be part of the engagement

982
01:04:40,124 --> 01:04:42,743
process, I assume. Cor. That'll be a part of the

983
01:04:42,844 --> 01:04:46,423
plan that I'm going to create when I'm preparing to

984
01:04:46,463 --> 01:04:51,623
plan for the plan. No, so we haven't even started

985
01:04:51,644 --> 01:04:56,103
yet. But that's a key. I mean, that is must.

986
01:04:56,103 --> 01:04:58,503
We, we could never go up here and do our

987
01:04:58,543 --> 01:05:02,183
thing without connecting to those partners. So I really look

988
01:05:02,223 --> 01:05:04,343
forward to a lot of those conversations because we haven't

989
01:05:04,364 --> 01:05:07,463
had a chance to, you know, touch base with a

990
01:05:07,463 --> 01:05:10,343
lot of those folks in a while. Um, and the

991
01:05:10,604 --> 01:05:13,463
forest service, especially, they look pretty different than they did

992
01:05:13,964 --> 01:05:16,503
just five years ago. And so it'll give us an

993
01:05:16,543 --> 01:05:20,023
opportunity to, you know, talk with both our federal and

994
01:05:20,124 --> 01:05:22,823
state partners. Um, as well as all of our local

995
01:05:23,084 --> 01:05:26,543
stakeholder groups, um, and have. And so I, again, I

996
01:05:26,543 --> 01:05:29,383
don't want to jump ahead of the plan I'm creating,

997
01:05:29,383 --> 01:05:32,503
but I see like kind of this like advisory committee

998
01:05:32,604 --> 01:05:35,623
sub committee, like, you know, I see that in this

999
01:05:35,644 --> 01:05:38,023
process. Because we just have to have some way to

1000
01:05:38,023 --> 01:05:44,696
have those focus conversations. Great. Thanks. Yeah. Okay. Heidi finally.

1001
01:05:44,696 --> 01:05:46,456
Thank you. You know why this was the only item

1002
01:05:46,496 --> 01:05:50,436
on the agenda tonight? Well, thank you. And thank you

1003
01:05:50,436 --> 01:05:52,296
very much. I think all of us who are looking

1004
01:05:52,397 --> 01:05:55,496
forward to working with you on this for the next

1005
01:05:55,536 --> 01:05:59,656
few years. Thank you. Thank you. Carol said is we

1006
01:06:00,077 --> 01:06:03,096
want to be involved if we can help not to

1007
01:06:03,096 --> 01:06:07,496
be another roadblocking room. The first thing I thought about

1008
01:06:07,517 --> 01:06:12,056
was we'll be careful what you ask for because you'll,

1009
01:06:12,056 --> 01:06:15,936
yeah, but no. Thank you so much for that. I

1010
01:06:15,936 --> 01:06:19,851
appreciate it very much. Thank you. Okay. So, uh, Trace

1011
01:06:19,851 --> 01:06:25,111
Baker Posac. The next three items on our agenda, uh,

1012
01:06:25,712 --> 01:06:30,731
first post A questions or comments on topics, um, other

1013
01:06:30,752 --> 01:06:36,731
than tonight's presentation. And other than our executive session, next

1014
01:06:36,731 --> 01:06:40,491
Jason will give us a director's update. And then we

1015
01:06:40,491 --> 01:06:45,605
will, um, enter Executive session for legal advice. So does

1016
01:06:45,645 --> 01:06:54,402
anybody have anything? Christine. We've got, we've got our attorney

1017
01:06:54,663 --> 01:06:57,682
Liana on and Leon, I wasn't sure. Did you need

1018
01:06:57,682 --> 01:07:01,146
to make comments here. Yeah. I was trying to speak,

1019
01:07:01,146 --> 01:07:02,906
but I don't know if anyone could hear me. Can

1020
01:07:02,906 --> 01:07:06,257
you hear me? We can now. Yes. Oh, okay. Great.

1021
01:07:06,257 --> 01:07:09,257
Yeah. This is Liana Lara More Assistant County Attorney. I

1022
01:07:09,257 --> 01:07:11,297
apologize for not being there in the room. It would

1023
01:07:11,297 --> 01:07:13,057
have been a lot easier for me to just answer

1024
01:07:13,238 --> 01:07:16,737
your previous legal question right on the spot. But if

1025
01:07:16,758 --> 01:07:18,657
you'd like, I could take just a minute to answer

1026
01:07:18,838 --> 01:07:23,653
your questions around study sessions and subcommittees. It's pretty, I

1027
01:07:23,653 --> 01:07:27,853
think straightforward. Okay. Thank you. Um, you know, I think

1028
01:07:27,874 --> 01:07:31,373
it's a little early to, uh, answer that question right

1029
01:07:31,373 --> 01:07:34,573
now. Um, because of where Heidi is in her planning

1030
01:07:34,594 --> 01:07:39,109
process. So, so let's, um, when that comes up, you

1031
01:07:39,109 --> 01:07:45,295
know, we can ask about that, um, later. Sound. Good.

1032
01:07:45,396 --> 01:07:52,093
Okay. Thank you. Seeing a few minutes. Any other Carol.

1033
01:07:52,507 --> 01:07:55,446
Carol Byrly. I just wanted to say I'm participating in

1034
01:07:56,827 --> 01:08:01,446
the Olin Farm CSA this summer. And I just, we

1035
01:08:01,446 --> 01:08:05,206
heard the dire, um, report on the water. But we

1036
01:08:05,246 --> 01:08:09,526
are getting a wonderful variety of fresh produce every Thursday

1037
01:08:09,707 --> 01:08:12,806
afternoon. And I just wanted to say these CSAs are

1038
01:08:12,907 --> 01:08:17,526
a wonderful thing. And I really enjoy participating and supporting

1039
01:08:17,547 --> 01:08:21,266
our local agriculture. And I'm learning all new, a lot

1040
01:08:21,266 --> 01:08:25,766
of new vegetables too. I go, what is this? So

1041
01:08:26,347 --> 01:08:34,493
Christine. Christine Johnson Posack. And I wanted to comment specifically

1042
01:08:34,493 --> 01:08:38,493
on that because, um, I check in with, um, Mark

1043
01:08:38,493 --> 01:08:44,173
Etrich periodically, because I'm doing, um, a pilot compost project

1044
01:08:44,754 --> 01:08:49,693
on his land in conjunction with him. And, um, just

1045
01:08:49,693 --> 01:08:54,893
wanted to acknowledge that, um, hauling water. They're hauling water

1046
01:08:55,714 --> 01:08:59,773
in order to, um, they're hauling water and they're purchasing

1047
01:08:59,813 --> 01:09:03,453
water and they've moved some crops actually and using some

1048
01:09:03,453 --> 01:09:09,533
municipal water. And just I don't want, they're really doing

1049
01:09:09,794 --> 01:09:16,633
an amazing job, but they're really existing in drought. And

1050
01:09:16,674 --> 01:09:20,173
I would really like us to keep, um, drought at

1051
01:09:20,173 --> 01:09:25,453
the forefront of like a topic that we are thinking

1052
01:09:25,474 --> 01:09:31,293
about beyond just, um, this summer. So that's my two

1053
01:09:31,293 --> 01:09:35,933
cents on that. Um, I, I wanted to mention something,

1054
01:09:35,933 --> 01:09:41,133
um, that, that I, um, I engaged with, um, Nick

1055
01:09:41,133 --> 01:09:48,493
about this and, um, I've, Dana Bove from front range

1056
01:09:48,594 --> 01:09:55,255
eagles. Has sent us, um, periodically, um, a, an alternate

1057
01:09:55,516 --> 01:10:00,615
trail real realignment proposal. And I have, um, I've met

1058
01:10:00,655 --> 01:10:03,015
with him. I've talked with him a couple of times.

1059
01:10:03,015 --> 01:10:09,735
I've gone through his data with him. And I would

1060
01:10:09,756 --> 01:10:13,635
really like us to, and I believe that the, um,

1061
01:10:14,476 --> 01:10:18,375
the proposal and an image of the proposal was sent

1062
01:10:18,396 --> 01:10:22,695
to the rest of Posac. And I would like us

1063
01:10:22,695 --> 01:10:26,775
to at some point, um, take more time to discuss

1064
01:10:26,815 --> 01:10:32,135
this. This is a group that has, um, they were

1065
01:10:32,175 --> 01:10:37,655
research going on at Homberg at the Holmberg Preserve. They

1066
01:10:37,655 --> 01:10:45,415
have thousands of hours of observations and data about what's

1067
01:10:45,415 --> 01:10:51,335
going on with, um, raptors, um, multiple species of concern

1068
01:10:51,836 --> 01:10:56,935
at Holmberg, including Farouginous Hawks and Bald Eagles. And there

1069
01:10:56,975 --> 01:11:04,135
is, um, they're making a proposal for, um, trail realignment

1070
01:11:04,396 --> 01:11:14,375
in order to minimize disturbance to these, um, species of,

1071
01:11:14,375 --> 01:11:20,055
um, of special concern. And they have some compelling data

1072
01:11:20,316 --> 01:11:24,775
that they would like to share. And I, I would,

1073
01:11:24,775 --> 01:11:29,015
um, it's, it's been interesting for me. It's been compelling

1074
01:11:29,036 --> 01:11:34,775
for me looking at the, um, data about, um, the

1075
01:11:35,116 --> 01:11:39,655
Raptors and about, um, trail use and what's going on

1076
01:11:40,076 --> 01:11:46,695
with, um, not just nesting sites, but, um, what is

1077
01:11:46,695 --> 01:11:53,535
the word. Roosting sites? But yeah, just how we can

1078
01:11:54,676 --> 01:12:04,415
best balance agriculture, recreation and habitat. And I'm wondering

1079
01:12:04,516 --> 01:12:09,535
if other folks have thoughts about what was sent and

1080
01:12:09,575 --> 01:12:14,685
how we could possibly go forward on this. Let's go

1081
01:12:14,685 --> 01:12:18,485
with, um, Joan? Well, my thought is that we shouldn't

1082
01:12:18,506 --> 01:12:21,125
build any new trails because we don't know how long

1083
01:12:21,226 --> 01:12:24,645
this particular nest is going to be there. But we

1084
01:12:24,685 --> 01:12:29,525
shouldn't build any neutrals, especially not through a farmer's field.

1085
01:12:29,525 --> 01:12:33,605
And also that, um, I feel that the whole thing

1086
01:12:34,106 --> 01:12:38,165
is sort of like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic

1087
01:12:38,746 --> 01:12:42,885
because these, these Cotton was are getting older. They're breaking

1088
01:12:42,885 --> 01:12:45,665
down. These eagles have to move to other places. And

1089
01:12:45,665 --> 01:12:48,325
I know it takes a long time to grow. Although

1090
01:12:48,346 --> 01:12:51,445
not as long for Cottonwood, but there should be more

1091
01:12:51,445 --> 01:12:55,765
of an effort to reestablish Cottonwoods. I know it will

1092
01:12:55,765 --> 01:12:59,845
take a long time. But we're just, you know, they

1093
01:12:59,885 --> 01:13:02,325
break down one at a time and maybe it's not

1094
01:13:02,586 --> 01:13:06,565
appropriate for Cottonwoods anymore, but what we need is like

1095
01:13:06,906 --> 01:13:10,485
more roosting sites, I would think, roosting and nesting sites.

1096
01:13:12,253 --> 01:13:19,338
John. I had basically the same question. She did, but

1097
01:13:19,338 --> 01:13:23,757
the, um. I guess it's questioned for you. When somebody

1098
01:13:23,938 --> 01:13:28,937
put something on the POSEC website, the public does, um,

1099
01:13:30,978 --> 01:13:34,397
does somebody besides POSAC look at it? Because if it's

1100
01:13:34,397 --> 01:13:37,677
not on the agenda, we don't say much except for

1101
01:13:37,717 --> 01:13:43,597
right here. I would agree that the Eagles should be

1102
01:13:43,637 --> 01:13:46,777
protected. I don't, I agree with Joan that the, uh,

1103
01:13:47,938 --> 01:13:51,357
new trail is not appropriate, but closing, you know, cradle

1104
01:13:51,458 --> 01:13:57,517
board where it hits 104th might be appropriate. But how

1105
01:13:57,557 --> 01:14:02,637
do we take input from the public? And I guess

1106
01:14:02,677 --> 01:14:05,117
share it with you guys and get feedback. Is anything

1107
01:14:05,378 --> 01:14:12,237
being done besides people talking to POSAC. Is that a

1108
01:14:12,237 --> 01:14:18,699
question for Jason? Queen said for just chasen. Did there

1109
01:14:18,699 --> 01:14:20,619
make any sense or am I? Yeah, absolutely. So I

1110
01:14:20,619 --> 01:14:25,378
think what, Oh, this is Jason Suk, uh, director. S

1111
01:14:25,418 --> 01:14:27,138
opening up there behind you. Good. Yeah. He can jump

1112
01:14:27,159 --> 01:14:28,738
in on a couple other things too. I think on

1113
01:14:28,839 --> 01:14:33,138
the, on the overall process, um, I believe we can

1114
01:14:33,178 --> 01:14:36,338
also see those comments that come in. You know, there,

1115
01:14:36,338 --> 01:14:39,418
we get a lot of feedback from the community. If

1116
01:14:39,418 --> 01:14:41,698
the particular things that you want to dive deeper on,

1117
01:14:41,698 --> 01:14:43,858
you just tell us. And those are things that we

1118
01:14:43,879 --> 01:14:47,058
consider put on the agenda, discuss in this forum, discuss

1119
01:14:47,098 --> 01:14:49,938
more formally. So if they're, you know, they, there could

1120
01:14:49,938 --> 01:14:51,858
be a lot of different things, different topics that come

1121
01:14:51,858 --> 01:14:54,418
up, um, some might peak your interest. Some you might

1122
01:14:54,418 --> 01:14:57,538
want more detailed discussion on. And so I think I'd

1123
01:14:57,538 --> 01:15:01,778
be open to, um, yeah, you just kind of discussing

1124
01:15:02,199 --> 01:15:04,098
what makes sense that you want to speak to a

1125
01:15:04,098 --> 01:15:06,498
little bit more. And if those are things that also

1126
01:15:06,498 --> 01:15:08,898
kind of align with, um, you know, how we can

1127
01:15:08,938 --> 01:15:12,018
strategically see this space, then, you know, we'd be happy

1128
01:15:12,018 --> 01:15:17,218
to say on the process side. Yeah. Cause the thing

1129
01:15:17,258 --> 01:15:20,178
was to Eagles. I mean, they're tree got hit by

1130
01:15:20,199 --> 01:15:23,138
lightning and they moved. Do you used to close the

1131
01:15:23,178 --> 01:15:26,098
cradle board trail during their nesting season. And something like

1132
01:15:26,098 --> 01:15:29,458
that, I think is a great idea. And probably should

1133
01:15:29,498 --> 01:15:36,258
be discussed. Christine Johnson Pozak. So don't get deceived by

1134
01:15:36,258 --> 01:15:39,778
the name of the organization. It's more than just, it's

1135
01:15:39,778 --> 01:15:43,058
more than just eagles. Yeah. It's, there's multiple raptor species

1136
01:15:43,079 --> 01:15:49,458
there. Yeah. I'll chime into Jason Sook again. Um, so

1137
01:15:49,719 --> 01:15:53,378
just to be clear on, on, on this particular issue,

1138
01:15:53,378 --> 01:15:55,538
um, and others that are related to it, um, this

1139
01:15:55,578 --> 01:15:58,658
one were quite aware of. And then touch on regularly

1140
01:15:58,759 --> 01:16:01,378
as well as the Boarda County Commissioners. So that's something

1141
01:16:01,418 --> 01:16:05,218
that's definitely been communicated well. And as on our radar,

1142
01:16:05,218 --> 01:16:07,198
but other things may not be. And that's where, um,

1143
01:16:07,198 --> 01:16:10,578
I think it's helpful. And we can connect, discuss and

1144
01:16:10,618 --> 01:16:13,298
figure out, um, you know, agendas as we, as we

1145
01:16:13,338 --> 01:16:18,638
all collectively see fit. And I think Steffen can better

1146
01:16:18,659 --> 01:16:21,258
answer a couple of things here. Well, I don't know

1147
01:16:21,258 --> 01:16:24,058
if I can answer him better. But, um, no, we're

1148
01:16:24,098 --> 01:16:28,698
well aware, um, so Dana has a research permit non

1149
01:16:28,719 --> 01:16:31,978
funded research permit with us. And, um, you know, part

1150
01:16:31,978 --> 01:16:35,418
of having a non funded research permit is we ask

1151
01:16:35,458 --> 01:16:38,858
for those individuals to provide us a report every year.

1152
01:16:38,858 --> 01:16:42,698
And so we're well aware of the data that Dana

1153
01:16:43,839 --> 01:16:47,578
is collecting there and sharing. Um, you know, it's a

1154
01:16:47,578 --> 01:16:51,258
complicated issue. And I think, you know, John and Joan,

1155
01:16:51,258 --> 01:16:54,298
you know, both brought up really, uh, important pieces for

1156
01:16:54,319 --> 01:16:58,458
us to consider. Um, you know, we would gladly come

1157
01:16:58,498 --> 01:17:02,218
back and, and if post Ac wants us to, to

1158
01:17:02,258 --> 01:17:04,938
have a conversation about our raptor management and how we

1159
01:17:04,938 --> 01:17:07,738
do that. And we can get into all the details,

1160
01:17:07,738 --> 01:17:10,698
um, and so you can see the efforts that we're

1161
01:17:10,738 --> 01:17:14,698
taking to protect raptors in these areas. But again, there's,

1162
01:17:14,698 --> 01:17:19,898
there's a regional trail involved. And the regional trail and

1163
01:17:19,898 --> 01:17:23,658
the active ag lease, um, were there before the eagles

1164
01:17:23,679 --> 01:17:25,818
moved into this location. And so there's a, there's a

1165
01:17:25,818 --> 01:17:29,098
lot of complications. And it does make things make things

1166
01:17:29,119 --> 01:17:32,858
difficult. Um, so we gladly do that. Um, we do

1167
01:17:32,879 --> 01:17:40,618
have really, um, stricter, um, closures than the CPW recommends

1168
01:17:40,799 --> 01:17:44,458
and U. S. fishing wildlife recommend. It's closed. We try

1169
01:17:44,639 --> 01:17:48,298
to keep the area closed from October 15th through July

1170
01:17:48,639 --> 01:17:54,458
31st. And so, um, when we try to keep the,

1171
01:17:54,458 --> 01:17:56,218
and there's nothing to say that the eagle nests would

1172
01:17:56,218 --> 01:17:58,218
move. And then do we build another trail? And then

1173
01:17:58,218 --> 01:18:00,038
the Eagle Nest moves and we build another trail. And

1174
01:18:00,038 --> 01:18:03,818
that's not sustainable and effective either. So, um, but we

1175
01:18:03,818 --> 01:18:07,178
would gladly come back and give a presentation on how

1176
01:18:07,359 --> 01:18:12,004
we manage our raptors. I would love that. I would

1177
01:18:12,044 --> 01:18:15,904
really love it too, because it is something that, um,

1178
01:18:16,025 --> 01:18:18,004
was a concern of mine with a couple of other

1179
01:18:18,044 --> 01:18:20,964
things that have come before us in the last few

1180
01:18:20,964 --> 01:18:26,115
years. And Vicky probably would like that she's into that

1181
01:18:26,115 --> 01:18:32,838
as well. So post sac, anything more on topics not

1182
01:18:32,838 --> 01:18:37,835
related to tonight's presentation. Learn. I have one, um, this

1183
01:18:37,875 --> 01:18:40,875
would be, again, this is also something that came up

1184
01:18:40,875 --> 01:18:42,715
in the commissioner hearing yesterday. And I thought it might

1185
01:18:42,715 --> 01:18:46,395
be something that POSAC would like to hear about or

1186
01:18:46,416 --> 01:18:50,246
talk about a little bit more. They brought up the

1187
01:18:50,427 --> 01:18:54,166
acquisition framework and prioritization structure. And I think we keep

1188
01:18:54,187 --> 01:18:56,326
kind of coming up against that when we're going through

1189
01:18:56,747 --> 01:18:58,406
the, like as you all are going through this planning

1190
01:18:58,507 --> 01:19:01,286
process, I'm sure this will come up a lot. But,

1191
01:19:01,286 --> 01:19:06,486
um, I don't know anything about those structures. And I

1192
01:19:06,486 --> 01:19:08,326
think it would, I think it would be really interesting

1193
01:19:08,587 --> 01:19:12,246
to learn more and sort of understand, um, how we

1194
01:19:12,347 --> 01:19:16,326
decide, um, what parcels to purchase and sort of what's

1195
01:19:16,366 --> 01:19:21,526
part of the process of acquiring new properties because the

1196
01:19:21,867 --> 01:19:25,446
stress on the system for maintaining them right now and

1197
01:19:25,486 --> 01:19:28,166
making management plans for them and all those other things.

1198
01:19:28,166 --> 01:19:32,006
So, um, that's just something that I'm wondering if anybody

1199
01:19:32,006 --> 01:19:38,636
else is interested in. Uh, Tray Spaker Posec, our former

1200
01:19:40,417 --> 01:19:44,636
land acquisitions manager did give us a talk on that,

1201
01:19:44,636 --> 01:19:48,316
but we have so many new Posac members that I

1202
01:19:48,316 --> 01:19:51,116
think would be a good idea to, um, hear that

1203
01:19:51,156 --> 01:19:54,949
again. If the recording, you all just want me to

1204
01:19:54,989 --> 01:19:59,294
watch too. I can do that session. Oh, then yeah,

1205
01:19:59,294 --> 01:20:01,694
let's do it. That would be too easy. And addresses.

1206
01:20:02,707 --> 01:20:11,995
Got it. Okay. Anything else. Okay. Uh, Stefan, thank you.

1207
01:20:13,160 --> 01:20:22,427
And, uh, Jason directors update. Good evening. Jason

1208
01:20:22,528 --> 01:20:26,907
Sook, Director of Parks and Open Space. Speaking of a

1209
01:20:27,088 --> 01:20:29,787
real estate, I was pleased to go on a, on

1210
01:20:29,827 --> 01:20:32,027
a field trip today, went up to Cowwood, uh, where

1211
01:20:32,027 --> 01:20:34,987
we've got a conservation easement up there and great to

1212
01:20:34,987 --> 01:20:38,147
see a property. And, you know, that's the kind of

1213
01:20:38,147 --> 01:20:42,007
stuff I like more than Gantt charts. Sorry Heidi. But

1214
01:20:42,007 --> 01:20:45,147
those are, it's wonderful to, uh, yeah, to get a

1215
01:20:45,147 --> 01:20:47,767
better picture of, you know, not just the acquisitions, but

1216
01:20:47,767 --> 01:20:50,587
also, you know, their property tools that we have. And,

1217
01:20:50,587 --> 01:20:54,667
um, learning a bit more about those things. Um, I

1218
01:20:54,667 --> 01:20:56,747
did want to say again, thanks to, to Heidi and

1219
01:20:56,747 --> 01:20:58,667
team for the great work on the District Level Planning,

1220
01:20:58,667 --> 01:21:01,127
not just this presentation, but kind of the process, the

1221
01:21:01,127 --> 01:21:04,747
thinking through the idea. And, um, you know, the conversations

1222
01:21:04,747 --> 01:21:07,207
that we've had in work sessions with the board. And

1223
01:21:07,207 --> 01:21:09,947
I think, um, you know, after quickly discussing this concept

1224
01:21:10,368 --> 01:21:12,987
in the last two meetings here. And then we're, we're

1225
01:21:13,027 --> 01:21:15,287
very pleased to have presented the concept in a bit

1226
01:21:15,287 --> 01:21:18,507
more detail. And I really appreciate your feedback, your insight

1227
01:21:18,547 --> 01:21:20,747
there. And I think, um, you know, the path on

1228
01:21:20,928 --> 01:21:23,787
the, uh, on the journey forward together, um, I'm looking

1229
01:21:23,888 --> 01:21:26,827
forward to it. So a few things coming up, it's

1230
01:21:26,827 --> 01:21:30,027
busy. Uh, we've got the Boulder County Fair that starts

1231
01:21:30,027 --> 01:21:34,267
on August 5th. We've got a parade on August 1st.

1232
01:21:34,267 --> 01:21:36,587
And the Rangers are coordinating closely with the sheriff's office

1233
01:21:36,627 --> 01:21:39,227
to ensure that it's a very safe and welcoming event.

1234
01:21:39,227 --> 01:21:41,687
And it will be assisting visitors throughout the fair. Uh,

1235
01:21:41,888 --> 01:21:45,227
youth Cor is in full effect. And actually it's ending

1236
01:21:45,808 --> 01:21:48,507
pretty soon as well on August 6th. So we've had

1237
01:21:48,507 --> 01:21:51,467
a lot of key project work, including historic fencing repairs

1238
01:21:51,648 --> 01:21:55,547
at Walker Ranch, trail work at bald mountain stair rebuilding

1239
01:21:55,648 --> 01:21:58,627
and drange improvements at Mud Lake and a number of

1240
01:21:58,627 --> 01:22:01,227
other things. Um, I had the opportunity to meet one

1241
01:22:01,227 --> 01:22:05,067
of the work groups there at Youth Corps last week.

1242
01:22:05,067 --> 01:22:07,947
And just a tremendous experience to see kind of youth

1243
01:22:07,987 --> 01:22:11,007
involved in public service doing hard work. They're a lot

1244
01:22:11,007 --> 01:22:13,607
stronger than I am. I learned that too. And, um,

1245
01:22:13,968 --> 01:22:16,267
and just to be outside and, you know, and serving

1246
01:22:16,267 --> 01:22:19,527
your community, um, I thought was fantastic. And it was

1247
01:22:19,527 --> 01:22:21,467
a great experience. And I appreciate the work that they're

1248
01:22:21,488 --> 01:22:24,587
doing for us. World Ranger Day is coming up on

1249
01:22:24,608 --> 01:22:28,507
July 31st. Our range was to celebrate with a picnic

1250
01:22:28,608 --> 01:22:32,747
hosted by OSMP and honoring Rangers worldwide. Very excited for

1251
01:22:32,787 --> 01:22:37,227
that. We've also got the left hand outdoor challenge coming

1252
01:22:37,248 --> 01:22:40,907
up. We're recruiting students now. And this year's program Themal

1253
01:22:40,947 --> 01:22:43,467
Center on Leadership Purpose and the Role of Outdoor Adventure.

1254
01:22:44,507 --> 01:22:47,846
What could be better really? Um, I did want to

1255
01:22:47,846 --> 01:22:51,846
touch on the alternating use discussion. So on June 30th,

1256
01:22:51,846 --> 01:22:54,806
we presented the results of our survey and the potential

1257
01:22:54,827 --> 01:22:58,566
alternatives based on the commissioner's request to explore potential alternating

1258
01:22:58,747 --> 01:23:02,886
use. And the commissioners decided in the end not to

1259
01:23:02,886 --> 01:23:07,366
choose a pilot activity. And instead of emphasizing continued courteous

1260
01:23:07,387 --> 01:23:10,326
trail use. And so our department has already started to

1261
01:23:10,326 --> 01:23:13,446
share the trail campaigns and inflaced rotating A - frame

1262
01:23:13,467 --> 01:23:16,326
signage on a number of trails, including high RA ranch

1263
01:23:16,507 --> 01:23:18,806
that talk about good trail etiquette and sharing the trail.

1264
01:23:21,267 --> 01:23:24,266
Um, speaking of trails, we've got an annu white. Um,

1265
01:23:24,266 --> 01:23:27,166
the lot of step replacement and trail repairs. Uh, it

1266
01:23:27,166 --> 01:23:29,726
looks great out there and we're pleased to have those,

1267
01:23:29,726 --> 01:23:33,726
uh, improvements. And at Caribbean Ranch, the drainage improvements with

1268
01:23:33,766 --> 01:23:36,126
the teamworks crew. And in fact, the number of different

1269
01:23:36,227 --> 01:23:39,626
partnerships and crews that were able to tap into, uh,

1270
01:23:39,626 --> 01:23:42,286
we just kind of appreciate these different, you know, cores

1271
01:23:42,286 --> 01:23:46,126
and crews and partners and volunteers that, um, really facilitate

1272
01:23:46,147 --> 01:23:48,766
us to do a lot of work during the high

1273
01:23:48,787 --> 01:23:53,006
season now. On our trailhead operations, we've regraded it, regrating

1274
01:23:53,107 --> 01:23:56,826
as completed across all trailheads and access roads. And, um,

1275
01:23:57,587 --> 01:23:59,966
uh, we also want to note that, um, we've got

1276
01:24:00,307 --> 01:24:03,166
high visitation these days. Hesse and 4th of July Trailheads

1277
01:24:03,187 --> 01:24:07,086
are experiencing record use. Our rangers are continuing to patrol,

1278
01:24:07,086 --> 01:24:11,386
do emergency response, visitor education and restroom ordinary. And, um,

1279
01:24:11,507 --> 01:24:13,806
they're also doing quite a bit of preventative search and

1280
01:24:13,846 --> 01:24:19,006
rescue assistance. It's hot out there. And hydration or electrolytes,

1281
01:24:19,006 --> 01:24:20,926
sunscreen and safety guidance are all part of what we

1282
01:24:20,926 --> 01:24:23,086
do. But, um, just keep it an eye on folks

1283
01:24:23,267 --> 01:24:26,366
because it's, um, you know, there's been incidents and it's,

1284
01:24:26,366 --> 01:24:29,782
it's, uh, it's, uh, yeah, it's warm. And I think,

1285
01:24:29,782 --> 01:24:33,122
uh, I'll stop there. That's enough for you all, but

1286
01:24:33,122 --> 01:24:34,822
it's a, it's a busy time. There's a lot going

1287
01:24:34,862 --> 01:24:37,302
on. I really appreciate the, uh, you know, the team

1288
01:24:37,883 --> 01:24:40,502
and all of our different partners as we, um, you

1289
01:24:40,502 --> 01:24:44,899
know, continue to do work across the county. Thank you,

1290
01:24:44,939 --> 01:24:51,210
Jason. Poseck. Any questions or comments for Jason. Okay. Well,

1291
01:24:51,210 --> 01:24:55,930
thank you. Uh, final topic tonight is, um, an executive

1292
01:24:56,271 --> 01:25:04,010
session where, um, POSAC will receive, um, legal advice. And,

1293
01:25:04,010 --> 01:25:07,050
um, we will also at the end of that executive

1294
01:25:07,071 --> 01:25:10,170
session, we will adjourn from there. So we will not

1295
01:25:10,170 --> 01:25:15,690
be back in this room. And, um, may we have

1296
01:25:15,791 --> 01:25:21,450
a motion to enter the executive session. And I understand

1297
01:25:21,951 --> 01:25:24,650
it's important to use the language provided. So if anybody

1298
01:25:24,671 --> 01:25:28,494
has that language, would you make a motion. Yeah. This

1299
01:25:28,515 --> 01:25:31,214
is actually, this is Leonna Lara Moore Assistant County attorney.

1300
01:25:32,377 --> 01:25:35,396
Um, it's important that you use both the statutory language,

1301
01:25:35,396 --> 01:25:38,596
but I also want to make sure that you provide

1302
01:25:38,777 --> 01:25:42,356
specific enough reasons for going into executive sessions. So it

1303
01:25:42,356 --> 01:25:44,996
could be something like I moved that we go into

1304
01:25:45,097 --> 01:25:50,676
Executive session pursuant to CRS 24, six 402 Ford B

1305
01:25:50,697 --> 01:26:00,163
to discuss legal issues. Making it recommend. National agenda items.

1306
01:26:00,163 --> 01:26:02,483
Um, so I can provide you with that site again,

1307
01:26:02,483 --> 01:26:04,723
as it would be helpful, but again, that second part

1308
01:26:04,723 --> 01:26:07,603
of it is important. We're going into executive session to

1309
01:26:07,784 --> 01:26:12,563
discuss legal issues related to making a recommendation or taking

1310
01:26:12,744 --> 01:26:18,447
a poll on information. Okay. Okay. We're prepping Carol. Okay.

1311
01:26:18,468 --> 01:26:26,095
Okay. Oh, okay. I move. That Pozak go into executive

1312
01:26:26,135 --> 01:26:32,495
session pursuant to CRS 24 - 6 - 4024B for

1313
01:26:32,535 --> 01:26:37,935
the purpose of receiving legal advice concerning whether POSAC can

1314
01:26:38,036 --> 01:26:44,386
raise questions and topics directly to Boulder County Commissioners. And

1315
01:26:44,386 --> 01:26:47,666
whether we can offer advice, even if it's not solicited.

1316
01:26:48,753 --> 01:26:54,854
Period. About the subcommittees. Okay. Thank you. So we have

1317
01:26:54,955 --> 01:26:57,705
a motion. Do we have a second. We have a

1318
01:26:57,705 --> 01:27:02,818
second. So all those in favor. Aye. Opposed. None. Okay.

1319
01:27:02,858 --> 01:27:08,258
Well, we will, uh, move over to, um, separate conference

1320
01:27:08,258 --> 01:27:15,862
room for our Executive session. And Trace formally adjourn the

1321
01:27:15,883 --> 01:27:19,773
Pozac meeting now. Um, we don't, we won't technically adjourn

1322
01:27:19,773 --> 01:27:21,853
it from the executive session. So I would just make

1323
01:27:21,874 --> 01:27:27,693
it clear that the POSAC meeting is, is thank you

1324
01:27:29,634 --> 01:27:32,093
staff and members of the public, we are adjourned.