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[0:34] of the committee. Are you ready. We are ready. Thank
[0:38] you, Nick. Okay. Good evening everybody and welcome to
[0:47] the September 24th, 2026 meeting of the Boulder County Parks
[0:52] in Open Space Advisory Committee. I'm Trace Baker, chair for
[0:56] this session. We'll start with Roll Call. Trace Baker Present,
[1:02] Ariel Barbieri game is excused. Carol Byarley. Present Christine Johnson.
[1:10] Here. Lauren Kelso here. Vicki Lawrence. Present. Joan Lutz. Jeff
[1:18] Font. Pierre and John White here. Okay, thank you for
[1:25] the first topic. We will have staff present on the
[1:31] Sunshine fire protection district Eastment for a cistern for fighting
[1:39] fires. And this is a topic on which we will
[1:45] have to advise the County Commissioners. And therefore we will
[1:50] be accepting public comment. After the speaker and after POSAC
[1:57] discusses. So all years. Great. Hi everyone. I haven't been
[2:04] here for a while. So the new faces. My name
[2:06] is Aaron Clark. I'm a land officer with Parks and
[2:09] Open Space. And my job is to handle property rights
[2:12] and real estate stuff for the parks. So here's one
[2:15] of those items here to talk about Sunshine Fire Protection
[2:18] District Requests for an easement on the bald mountain open
[2:22] space property to place a firefighting cistern. Just bare bones.
[2:29] Sunshine fire protection does firework up in Sunshine Canyon in
[2:33] the Foothills directly above Boulder. Uh, they are in a
[2:35] project right now to install cisterns at importanttions in their
[2:39] service area. Uh, there's no hydrants up there. So you've
[2:42] got to get water from somewhere. Uh, so water's hard
[2:46] to come by when a fire begins. The idea is
[2:48] to give time, uh, if a fire should start, uh,
[2:53] give time to bring other water up, but still be
[2:55] able to respond to a fire quickly, keep it from
[2:58] spreading and becoming a wildfire. Uh, this helps local homeowners,
[3:02] but of course it also helps County Parks. We have
[3:04] no real need of a large fire here. Um, so
[3:08] how do we do that? We have a big cistern.
[3:11] Here's just a quick map. The green in the center
[3:14] is the bald mountain open space property. Sunshine Canyon Drive
[3:18] runs right through it. A little tiny red dot on
[3:21] the map is the proposed easement. It is 7 100ths
[3:26] of an acre. Um, so it's very, very tiny. I
[3:31] did a quick little closeup. You can see it's just
[3:33] a rectangle right along Sunshine Canyon drive. Um, uh, sending
[3:39] several homes, but also of course our open space. Uh,
[3:42] as I understand the district is interested in this location,
[3:46] not just because of the interval. It's at on the
[3:48] road, but also because of the topography, I guess, uh,
[3:51] the topography in this area is really difficult. And this
[3:53] is one of the few places that, uh, that really
[3:56] serves, uh, for what they're trying to do. Uh, this
[3:59] map is courtesy of the Sunshine Pro Pretection District. I
[4:03] just got this this morning. Uh, you can see three
[4:05] red dots. The one on the Northwest is an existing
[4:08] cistern, one of the southeast has also existing. And the
[4:12] proposed one is the big red dot right in the
[4:14] middle. And you can see it's nicely located. Uh, but
[4:18] they couldn't really put it any further east or south
[4:21] just because the topography just, just doesn't work for it.
[4:24] Uh, so again, uh, the request, they contacted us with
[4:28] a notice intent to acquire. And easement on bald mountain
[4:32] property for the cistern. This is a 40, 000 gallon
[4:35] cistern. Again, 7 100th of an acre and proposed value
[4:41] is 5, 000 dollars for this easement. Uh, Considerations here,
[4:47] certain enemies can condemn for public use, uh, five districts
[4:51] can't do that. So in situations like this, we prefer
[4:53] to cooperate instead of try to have a big fight.
[4:57] Um, through cooperation staff can work with the applicant to
[5:00] mitigate impacts. Make sure we at fair compensation and keep
[5:04] everybody out of a long, expensive and difficult court process.
[5:08] Uh, public notice was provided via publication in their choir
[5:12] newspapers and mailings to neighbors within 500 feet of the
[5:15] site. As of today, we have not received any comments
[5:18] from the Public regarding this application. Uh, Lee Parks support
[5:23] the disposition of this easement. I want to clarify in
[5:26] the, in the memo I was rushing. I think I
[5:29] may, an illusion that this was feed. This is, the
[5:32] fee transfer involved here. This is just an easement. Um,
[5:35] we support this and, uh, looking forward to any questions
[5:39] you have. I do have some folks here from the
[5:42] fire protection district. If you have any questions that I
[5:44] can't answer, uh, they're on hand to help. Thanks. Thank
[5:48] you Aaron POSEC. Do we have any questions? Vicky. Hi
[5:54] Aaron. Thank you so much. Um, I'm sorry. I've been
[5:59] gone. Vicky Lars with post accident. So have I. I've
[6:02] been having too much fun. So having grown up in
[6:06] the mountains up four mile canyon. I appreciate the need
[6:09] for water in places. Just had a curiosity. Do they
[6:12] prefer to put them on public land or do they
[6:14] make an effort to put them on private homeowner's land.
[6:19] How do, how do they're picking the spots that they're
[6:21] using other than you were saying geographically this was a
[6:24] better spot. Yeah. I think it's just the intervals and
[6:26] the topography. But if it's anything different, you can let
[6:29] me know. Salan curtain. I'm with the, uh, Sunshine
[6:39] Fire Protection District. We actually for the mic, please. Sure.
[6:42] Thank you. We can, uh, we've put all of our
[6:45] cisterns so far on private property. As Aaron had alluded
[6:50] to, we have a difficult time in the bottom part
[6:54] of our district because the road is falling. They're contour
[6:58] of a ridge. So we have a steep drop off
[7:01] on one side, a steep hillside on the other. So
[7:05] literally from the bottom of our district up until the
[7:07] four mile marker on Sunshine Canyon drive, we have no
[7:11] ability to put a fire cistern in. And once we
[7:16] get to the formal marker, we are into the, uh,
[7:20] Boulder County Parks and Open Space Bald Mountain. Area. So
[7:26] the only way we can get a sister is close
[7:29] to the bottom of our district as possible is to
[7:31] do that on bald mountain property. And how close are
[7:35] these to the road? Is there like a truck can
[7:37] just be on the side of the road and pump
[7:39] out of it? Uh, we have done the easement so
[7:43] that a truck can pull in perpendicular to the system.
[7:46] So perpendicular to the road. And also we're looking to
[7:50] put a larger cistern in here. It'd be 40, 000
[7:52] gallons, but we can actually pull engines off the road
[7:57] completely. Because in a fire emergency, you've got to have
[8:00] free access on the road for vehicles coming up and
[8:04] down the canyon. Great. Thank you. Um, Christine. Christine Johnson
[8:14] POSAC. I'm going to ask what I feel like our
[8:16] obvious questions, but I didn't quite know the answer. And
[8:19] so I'm sure other people are curious. I assume the
[8:22] reason that they're not above ground is because water freezes.
[8:27] Right. Um, and then I think the photos in the
[8:34] slideshow, Aaron, were really helpful. How are these filled? Are
[8:37] they filled by, by trucks? Or how are they filled?
[8:41] They're filled with trucks. Yeah. We have to have the
[8:45] water truck from town. As you can imagine, uh. Wells
[8:50] or precious comp commodity up there. So they're filled, they're
[8:55] filled by trucks. John. John White POC. With the picture
[9:02] here, um, I assume that this was just put in
[9:06] because there's, olders are treads here. What's just going to
[9:10] look like in a year just with three pipes and
[9:14] a big, uh, there's actually, um, it gets mounded over
[9:18] the tank. So there's actually about a two foot mound,
[9:22] uh, that's over the tank. And we, we of course
[9:25] have to revegetate and, uh, we do all the, all
[9:29] of what's required from Boulder County is if we were
[9:33] say building a structure, doing anything else. It's got to
[9:36] return to its natural condition. I think it's great. Thanks.
[9:41] Any other post - sac questions. This is Trey Baker,
[9:47] POSAC. We'll construction impact visitation at the Bald Mountain area.
[9:55] Well, as you can see from the picture, I mean,
[9:58] there is some impact, uh, especially the part, you know,
[10:01] the parking area light at the cistern. And, uh, you
[10:06] know, and then as I'd mentioned, we have to re
[10:09] - vegetate. So the site is restored. Do it's more
[10:12] natural condition. Yeah. But my question was more about, um,
[10:17] the, uh, you're a little bit downhill from the parking
[10:20] area for bald mountain. And so, um, access to the
[10:26] parking area, uh, limited during construction? No, no, it won't
[10:31] be impacted at all. So we are about two tenths
[10:34] of a mile from the parking area with the cistern.
[10:37] So it's far enough away. There'd be no, no impact.
[10:40] Okay. Thank you. Any more questions comments from POSAC. Nick,
[10:45] do we have anybody registered online. Yeah, thank you. Um,
[10:51] for those on the Zoom webinar, if you would like
[10:53] to make comment, please use the raise hand feature so
[10:56] we can call on you. I don't see any raised
[11:03] hands for this agenda item. Do we have anybody in
[11:06] the, um, hearing room that wants to comment. Okay. I
[11:12] don't see anybody on the, um, in the hearing room.
[11:16] So, uh, may we have a motion for, um, approval
[11:22] to the, uh, County Commissioners. Carol Byarly POSCO move second.
[11:32] All those in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Posed.
[11:37] So this passes unanimously. So Aaron, thank you. And thank
[11:41] you for the, uh, volunteer fighter fighters there. Thanks very
[11:48] much. Okay. Our next
[12:00] topic will be, um, 2027 cast and open space. Uh,
[12:08] cast projects. And, um, we are actually going to conduct
[12:13] this, uh, session of the, um, meeting in two parts.
[12:19] The first part today will be looking only at Sturge
[12:24] Shift Projects. And we will not vote tonight. Um, although
[12:30] we will have public discussion, um, then next week, I
[12:36] mean, next month's meeting, um, we will have a presentation
[12:39] on, uh, capital improvement projects. And then we will again
[12:45] have public comment, um, vote for the County Commissioners. So,
[12:51] uh, Zana, it's all yours. And please correct me if
[12:57] I mispronouncing your name. Uh, good evening, everybody. Um, my
[13:00] name is Jana Yermakov. I'm the resource planning division manager.
[13:04] Give us two seconds why we work through some technical
[13:10] trace. I may have a quick question about what you
[13:11] just said. Yes. Can you let me know, are the,
[13:15] any of the things the projects that are in front
[13:16] of us, none of those are considered capital projects. These
[13:19] are all stewardship. That's correct. So it's just like what
[13:21] we have in front of us tonight. We're talking about.
[13:24] And then we'll see a whole nother list of capital
[13:26] projects. And two separate. There will be one vote, but
[13:32] we will accept public comment for the stewardship tonight. And
[13:38] next month we will accept public for Capitol. And then
[13:42] we will vote on the whole package all at once.
[13:48] All right. Well, I'm going to kick us off. Good
[13:50] evening POSAC. My name is Heidi Wagner and I'm the
[13:52] deputy of direct strategic foundations. And I just thought I
[13:55] would give a brief introduction here, um, welcoming Janna Yermakov
[14:01] to her very first POSAC meeting. Welcome. As our resource
[14:06] planning manager. John has started with us about 11 months
[14:10] ago. Um, we stole her from the feds. And she
[14:15] has done a fantastic job settling into a very complicated
[14:19] role, um, providing outstanding leadership to the teams of planning
[14:25] project management and design, IT and business analyst, uh, team
[14:29] and data solutions. And if you recall those of you
[14:34] that have been on POSC, uh, for more than one
[14:37] year, um, Tina Nielsen used to present our CAS projects
[14:43] every year. So Janna has bravely stepped forward to try
[14:48] to fill those very big shoes. And I'm delighted to
[14:51] introduce to you tonight, Jana. And she'll take it from
[14:54] here. And I'm here just to answer questions. Thanks, Heidi.
[15:00] All right. So, um, as was mentioned, this is part
[15:04] one of our Presentation for the Stewart Projects. And we'll
[15:07] bring the second half to you, uh, next month. So
[15:15] this is a for those that are new. A reminder,
[15:19] um, also, um, for, for everyone, um, what funding we're
[15:24] talking about. So CAS projects are designed to advance departmental
[15:28] goals beyond routine operations and normal operating budgets that consist
[15:33] of, um, of small target efforts that address maintenance backlogs
[15:37] while improving operational, planning and physical infrastructure needs. They include
[15:42] work on trails, facilities, agricultural infrastructure and conservation and maintenance
[15:47] projects. So they really consist of projects that are small
[15:52] projects under 250, 000 dollars that we'll be talking about
[15:57] today. And we also have capital projects, uh, that are
[16:01] over 250, 000 dollars that we will present next month.
[16:08] And John, do I'm sorry, Lauren Kelso, POSAC. Do they
[16:11] share the same budget. Both of the Capitol and the
[16:15] stewardship projects. Are they both in that 1. 87? No.
[16:18] So the 1. 87 is the, is the cap, is
[16:22] the recurring stewardship. Budget. So this year we have, um,
[16:31] a budget proposed budget of 1. 69 million dollars and
[16:37] spread across five divisions. So we'll start with agriculture and
[16:47] water. Um, the comprehensive structure assessment for agriculture properties will
[16:51] hire contractor to survey approximately 260 buildings across multiple parks,
[16:58] agricultural sites to evaluate their condition and inform future decisions
[17:02] about demolition and maintenance. The second project is the contracted
[17:07] lethal control of prairie docs. Uh, it will fund a
[17:10] qualified contractor to conduct lethal control on roughly 100 acres
[17:14] of NPD designated agricultural properties across one or more sites.
[17:23] Our next division is natural resources and ENO. We for
[17:28] the purposes of this presentation. We put those into one
[17:32] slide because they're both under one, one branch. These projects
[17:38] improve ecosystems and watersheds by removing piece of trees, restoring
[17:42] floodplains and protecting sensitive beaver habitat for most impacts. They
[17:48] also expand wildlife monitoring through new technology strength and AVN
[17:53] research. Partnerships and support ongoing adaptive management of key restoration
[17:58] sites. In addition, the work includes digitizing historical media and
[18:03] updating outdated interpretive signs to improve public education. Um, real
[18:11] estate has one project for 50, 000 dollars all blue
[18:17] real estate files, uh, freeing up valuable space, reducing the
[18:21] risk of loss from damage and making documents accessible across,
[18:25] um, parks both in the office and remotely contracted vendor
[18:29] will remove scan and securely recycle or destroyed the physical
[18:33] files organizing all materials digitally by property. Excuse me. Carol
[18:39] Byrne. What is a blue file. It's blue. Hi Carol.
[18:45] Heidi Wagner. So this is a term that we use
[18:49] internally. And Tina's here if she wants to add to
[18:51] it. Um, but there are, we have actually in the
[18:55] building a huge room dedicated to these real estate files
[19:00] that have been gathered since 1975. And they're mostly blue.
[19:04] So we call them the blue files, but they're full
[19:07] of information that needs to be scanned and digitized. Um,
[19:11] so we can recycle that original paper file. So that's
[19:15] what this project's intended to do. Okay. Thank you.
[19:26] Uh, recreational facilities. These projects repair important facilities, including the
[19:34] walk garage hay barn and the historic Les Baraka's building
[19:37] while also updating hundreds of permanent signs across parks and
[19:41] open space areas. They improved property security and infrastructure through
[19:45] neofencing upgrade gates. Colvert replacements, trail resurfacing. And evaluating and
[19:51] retaining wall for needed repairs. They also strengthen environmental monitoring
[19:56] with a drone mountain, hyperspectral imaging sensor to better track
[20:00] vegetation, soil and water conditions. And lastly, resource planning. These
[20:09] projects promote cultural equity by documenting marginalized community histories and
[20:13] improving how cultural heritage is managed and open space lands.
[20:18] They also strengthen operations by improving the agriculture divisions AMS
[20:22] workflows monitoring local water quality for cardinal mail and preparing
[20:27] for future creek restoration work. And those are the stewardship
[20:35] projects proposed for 2027. Any questions. Viking Lawrence POSAC. Yeah.
[20:45] Can you go back to the previous slide just because
[20:46] I have no memory. So why is the buffalo infrastructure
[20:50] plan have no money attached to it? The buffalo infrastructure
[20:54] plan is actually going to be a capital project request
[20:58] and we will present that at the October meeting. And
[21:01] is this around the rabbit mountain area? Yes. Okay. Thank
[21:04] you. Car. Carol Byerly. I was wondering why some of
[21:10] this in the regular budget, for example, the project permitting.
[21:17] That seems like permitting would be part of an ongoing
[21:23] line and not something that would just be added in
[21:25] one year. So because it's only 90, 000 dollars into
[21:35] the market. Not sure if you have high DMOR to
[21:38] say to that. Thanks, Carol. So when a division exceeds
[21:43] your normal operational budget, they often turn to cast for
[21:46] that additional funding. And so that's the case in this
[21:49] permitting request. Is that funding isn't available within the division's
[21:53] operational budget. So they have to ask for additional funds.
[21:58] Thank you. John. John, Mike Pozak, I have a questions.
[22:04] Um, invasive tree removal. Heard Granted move, uh, invasive tree.
[22:12] How do you figure out what to do when not
[22:17] to do. How do you pick a number of hundred
[22:19] grand. When you have a gazillion Siberian elms and Russian
[22:24] olives. We're going to let Stefan, Ryan Hol come up
[22:30] here. That is our deputy director of Land Stewart and
[22:33] answer that because there is a formula and a method
[22:37] that team goes through every year and all that. Sure.
[22:39] Uh, Stephen Reynold, um, deputy director of Land Stewardship. So,
[22:44] um, the invasive weeds team identifies project areas. So they're
[22:48] looking at a certain project area. And targeting that section.
[22:54] And the size of the contract just depends on how
[22:57] many trees are in that location. So they have a
[23:00] specific area in mind that they're going to target. So
[23:04] it's not going to get all the trees on opens,
[23:07] obviously. Something that's every year you have. So here and
[23:12] there. So it depends. So we had a one property
[23:15] where we did like two and a half years or
[23:18] two years of projects, but it was a hundred thousand,
[23:21] 100, 000, then 50. And so this is just another
[23:23] project in a different location. So we're trying to bite
[23:26] off a little bit at a time rather than, um,
[23:29] take funding away from other projects. Okay. Thanks. Before you
[23:34] go, Vicky Lawrence, what area is being targeted? So I
[23:39] don't know which one they're looking at for this project.
[23:41] So I'd have to check with Joe. I can answer
[23:44] that stuff. Um, so they are looking at the thousand
[23:48] rain corridor, um, from the A frame to CMIX. So
[23:53] that's just northwest of hygiene. And then they're working on
[24:01] CoalCreek on the East Boulder Creek or Prairie Run site
[24:04] on the northeast quadrant. So they did work already on
[24:08] East Boulder Creek and now shifting to CoalCreek on that
[24:12] property. Thank you. Next, uh, you have the last Barakas
[24:18] building overall. I probably shouldn't ask this since we're about
[24:22] to go and look at the place. How much of
[24:25] that's going to be restored and is it going to
[24:27] be restored enough? Is it just to keep the place
[24:30] standing or is it enough to open it for visitation.
[24:36] Um, I'll probably have to get back to you. And
[24:39] then I don't think it's to the point where actually
[24:42] open to visitation, but it is improvements to prevent further
[24:48] degradation. And I can add a little bit to that,
[24:51] John. So what we want to do is make it
[24:53] safe for staff to enter the building. So that does
[24:56] require those structural improvements and the asbestos abatement. And so
[25:01] if it will be open to the public is a
[25:05] future conversation, we're not there yet. Okay. Yeah. Um, AM,
[25:10] what's that? We got a bunch of questions on here
[25:15] that I sure. Burst. So it's, um, it's related to
[25:20] our asset management system. Um, it is the system that,
[25:25] um, that runs the software that runs, um, asset management
[25:31] system for the county. Okay. Um, trail resurfacing.
[25:42] The reused asphalt. I've seen that a lot on the
[25:45] sides of the roads, um, but I don't know. I've
[25:50] seen that on like hiking trails. Is that something it's
[25:54] safe when you're far away from our road. We're going
[25:59] to let Jarrett handle that question. Sorry. We're not trying
[26:02] to drive you guys crazy. That's why they're here. Okay.
[26:05] Yeah. John, uh, Jarrett Roberts, community, amenities deputy director. Yeah.
[26:08] Thanks, John. Otherwise, we're just sitting back there waiting for
[26:10] questions. Um, we have used recycled asphalt in a number
[26:14] of places for our trail system. It is actually like
[26:18] old roads that have been ripped up and then ground
[26:20] up into little pieces. Right. And it has a little
[26:22] bit of the residual stuff that helps make road stick
[26:24] together. And that helps the asphalt actually stick together. So
[26:28] we tend to use it in places where there's sever
[26:30] grades and we've had washouts. We got a lot of
[26:33] feedback from the public when we first put it in
[26:35] because it looks pretty different. But after a month or
[26:38] two, um, through wind and dust blowing over, it blends
[26:42] in very naturally. And you probably have walked on a
[26:44] number of trails and just haven't noticed it. We don't
[26:47] have to worry about chemicals from the asphalt. The reports
[26:51] that we had have shown, um, we have a couple
[26:54] reports. We've been trying to get more, more data on
[26:56] this, but what we have so far, show, there's not
[26:58] leeching. Okay. Thank you. Anybody else in POSC. Uh, let's
[27:07] see, let's go with Joan next. Joan Lot's POSAC. And
[27:11] I just wanted to say that I'm glad to see
[27:13] the most fancy. The most unseen at caribou because the
[27:20] moves have really done a number on the willow car.
[27:24] And there are some interesting plants in there. Just where
[27:28] the moose can't get. So I think it's a great
[27:31] idea. Vicky. Lawrence POC. I have a question about the,
[27:38] um, cardinal mill water quality. And there's, um, the 90,
[27:44] 000 dollars for that ongoing testing or is this something
[27:51] that's hoping to sort of mitigate the problem long terms?
[27:55] Is this a one - time fee? Is this just
[27:57] every year we're going to be paying 90, 000 dollars
[27:59] for this? This test, this water quality testing is intended
[28:03] to, um, test the water after the recent construction has
[28:09] been completed that allowed us to terminate the permit at
[28:13] cardinal mail. So we wanted to continue the water testing
[28:17] to demonstrate that the improvements that we have made. What
[28:21] kind of impact that they have had. And we expect,
[28:25] we don't expect this to be necessarily ongoing. So we're
[28:28] going to see how it's going to be for the
[28:30] first year and then make a decision afterwards. Okay. Vicky
[28:34] Lawrence again. I just remember sometime in the last year
[28:38] there was a huge amount of money that went to
[28:41] the Cardinal mill because of the water. And so I
[28:44] guess I don't fully understand what has happened there if
[28:47] that has been mitigated and you're just testing to be
[28:50] sure the mitigation has been effective or if this is
[28:53] sort of an ongoing issue. Thanks Vicky. So the project
[29:01] is concluded. It's been mitigated. And this is Flow Up
[29:06] monitoring to ensure the improvements were working. Okay. Excellent. Thank
[29:11] you. That's, that's really good to hear. I was afraid
[29:13] this was something we were going to be doing forever.
[29:16] We were too. Any other questions comments. Okay. So, uh,
[29:22] Jeff. Uh, Hey, Jeff Adi POC. Um, so first one
[29:26] is just a clarifying question because I'm kind of new
[29:28] to this. So we are hearing about stewardship projects tonight.
[29:35] And then next month we're going to hear about capital
[29:37] improvement projects. And then we're going to make a recommendation
[29:43] as a group for all those projects together. Is that
[29:47] correct? Am I understanding that correctly? That's correct. Okay. And
[29:51] so we're really just like voting yes or no on
[29:58] the whole group. That's correct. Okay. All right. Um, I
[30:07] have a couple of questions about, uh, the lethal control
[30:12] prayer dogs, uh, I assume that means prairie dogs are
[30:16] going to be killed in the process. Of controlling them.
[30:20] You're correct. Yes. Okay. Why. So I'm going to call
[30:25] on Stefan. About that. Too. Hello again, Stephan Reynold,
[30:35] Deputy Director of Land Stewardship. Um, so we actually have
[30:39] a, um, prairie dog management plan. Um, that was developed,
[30:43] uh, with a lot of public input. And we identified
[30:47] a lot of different areas. And the areas that we're
[30:49] talking about here are called NPDs. No prairie dog areas.
[30:55] And there are on our agricultural releases. And so we're
[30:59] trying to make sure that our, um, the prairie dogs
[31:02] aren't doing damage to our agricultural releases. Okay. So I
[31:08] guess it's a protective measure for agricultural lessees so that
[31:12] prairie docs aren't heating their crops and so forth. That's
[31:15] correct. Um, and we do have usually, it's in December.
[31:19] We have a, um, prairie dog stakeholders meeting and you're
[31:22] more than welcome to join and learn a little bit
[31:24] more. Okay. Um, just out of curiosity and the development
[31:29] of that, uh, management plan were non - lethal methods
[31:34] of prayer dog control explored. Yes. There are a lot
[31:39] of that strictly regulated by CPW. Um, and so we
[31:43] actually have to get permission to be able to move
[31:46] prairie dogs. Um, and so we do relocate prairie dogs
[31:49] when we can. Uh, but it's, it's not as simple
[31:53] as just moving them. Okay. I mean, I guess just
[31:57] to clarify the budget is allotted to lethal control prairie
[32:01] dogs. So does that mean some of them will be
[32:03] relocated where possible or like budgeted specifically for killing Prairie
[32:10] dogs. So, so this budget is specifically for hiring contractors
[32:13] to do that work. Um, but our internal teams and
[32:16] crews will do relocations. We will do, uh, fencing trying
[32:20] to keep prairie dogs in areas where prairie dogs should
[32:24] be. Um, and stop them from moving onto our NPD
[32:29] areas. So the other efforts involved. Okay. Thank you. Appreciate
[32:35] it. Uh, Stefan, trace speaker POSAC, but these other efforts
[32:39] will come under a different budget. So those other efforts
[32:42] are covered under our normal operating budget. Okay. Thank you.
[32:47] Okay. Christine. Lauren. So I
[32:56] think, um, my question is a little bit more broad
[33:00] about these cast projects. Um, I know that you all
[33:05] have faced budgetary cuts in other places this year. So
[33:09] how are you, how does the caste budget work within
[33:12] that larger budget? And does the cast budget shrink? These
[33:16] are all very wonderful and important looking programs, but since
[33:19] you all are having to consider other cuts to your
[33:21] general operating, how do you make that decision? Yeah. Thanks
[33:25] for asking great question. So the cast funding comes from
[33:30] 126, our sales tax. And it is a yearly allocation
[33:35] that's part of our base budget. And this year, as
[33:39] you know, the commissioners have been looking at our 101
[33:44] general fund budget. So while 126 is not a part
[33:49] of that. We are of course being conservative and thoughtful
[33:53] with that budget. However, this is an existing allocation, um,
[33:58] and available for our use in 27. And you do
[34:01] sort of see that, I guess, with some teams basically
[34:04] saying this doesn't fit into our general fund budget. So
[34:08] they're starting to allocate some of that cast funding as
[34:10] they need to to fill gaps. That's right. Most of
[34:14] our. So they can sort of use it if they
[34:16] need to for general operating. Yes. So it fills gaps
[34:20] in division budgets, um, but most of our divisions are
[34:24] funded operations are funded through 126 sales tax as well.
[34:28] We do receive funding from 101, the general fund. But
[34:33] it's usually not a large part of a division's operational
[34:36] budget with some exceptions. Thanks. Thank you. John. Did you
[34:41] have another Lauren? Do you have anything more. Not at
[34:46] this time. Okay. Christine. I wanted to, Christine Johnson POSAC.
[34:53] Another question for Jared. And I think John mostly covered
[35:00] questions that came from a member of the public, Kate
[35:03] Rowe, about item number 19. And it was questions about
[35:08] the recycled asphalt. Um, but a couple of the questions
[35:12] that she had were, um, whether if you do end
[35:18] up using recycled asphalt, if, um, leads to increased water
[35:22] shedding, which could increase erosion off the surface of the
[35:26] trail. And if, uh, you end up with chunkier pieces,
[35:31] which make it harder for people with accessibility, um, issues.
[35:45] Hey, Jarrett Roberts Community amenities deputy director again. Um, yeah,
[35:49] and I read through the email on Tuesday and it's
[35:51] a balance for us, um, we have a lot of
[35:53] different trail materials ranging from natural dirt that we just
[35:56] dig up to crusher, fine to, the stabilized crusher find
[36:01] that is stuffed mixed into it, recycled asphalt. We have
[36:03] concrete. And so our trails team is trying to apply
[36:06] the right to the right job. We're not out there
[36:09] using recycled asphalt everywhere. We're using it where we think
[36:12] it works the best. Um, the trade - off is
[36:16] if we put road base or some of the other
[36:18] more natural materials in very steep sections, then they tend
[36:22] to wash out. Um, I was thinking as I was
[36:24] reading that email right after the martial fire, we went
[36:27] out on the metal like trail. And because all the
[36:30] vegetation had burned down, you could actually look at in
[36:33] the field and you could see this area where the,
[36:36] the road base, I just washed out. And there was
[36:38] almost this alluvial fan going out of, of sediment. And
[36:41] if you think about the impact there, it was pretty
[36:43] huge. Uh, switching over to recycled asphalt in that situation.
[36:47] We've had no problems. And that was an area that
[36:49] had walked out many, many times. We were spending 10,
[36:52] 000 plus dollars a year replacing it. Um, and so
[36:55] that's the right application of that. Um, there are trade
[36:58] - offs. We haven't seen a ton of issues with
[37:01] it being large and junky. If you get the right
[37:03] recycled asphalt, it's the same as getting roads. You need
[37:06] to get the right material. Um, but we haven't seen
[37:08] that. I can forward anyone is interested. Their reports that
[37:12] we looked at in the past that talk about leaching
[37:13] and things like that. And, and we're very open to
[37:16] getting new information. But for what we've seen, um, most
[37:19] of the binding material washes off during the actual asphalt,
[37:23] like in the road phase. And then by the time
[37:24] it's ground up, we're not seeing as much of that.
[37:27] Um, but again, we're open to learn and grow. But
[37:30] it is, is one tool in our toolbox, not the
[37:32] only tool. Thank you. That's a super, super complete answer.
[37:36] And I just wanted that, um, email addressed. Thanks. To
[37:41] a question for you, go ahead, John. You said metal
[37:45] arc trail. Is that what, uh, was, oh, John White
[37:48] Bozak was used for Colton or is that, who is
[37:52] empty? Yes. So the metal arc, which goes up that
[37:54] hill right by Colton or Alpha Coldon, a Jared Roberts
[37:56] again, um, yeah, that used to be a crusher find
[37:59] material. We actually tried stabilized crusher vine. Stabilized is really
[38:02] good to a point. But then once it starts to
[38:04] break, we get these really big goalies that wash out.
[38:07] Um, and so we ended up replacing a good section
[38:09] of that with, um, with the recycled asphalt. And we
[38:12] did get a lot of comments at first that it
[38:13] looked like it looked like a road. And then again,
[38:16] as that dust and stuff covers it up, you almost
[38:18] can't tell now. Yeah. I've noticed that. Thank you. Um,
[38:24] okay. Vicky. Vicki Lawrence POSEC, Stephan. I'm sorry. I'm going
[38:30] to make you come up again. Um, sorry. I didn't
[38:36] get all my questions at once. Um, talk more about
[38:40] the lethal prairie dog control, one where and how. You
[38:47] don't know where. Yeah. It's Stephen Reynold again, deputy director
[38:52] Land Stewardship. So, um, I'm not sure where this, uh,
[38:56] the funding is in terms of which location they want
[38:59] this contract to do the work. Um, so I don't
[39:03] have that answer. Um, but again, I think if you
[39:08] really want to learn about how we do our prairie
[39:10] dog management, I really encourage you to come to our
[39:12] meeting in December because we go through the plan, all
[39:17] the stakeholders are there. Those that are, you know, want
[39:20] us to retain prairie dogs because we do as well.
[39:22] Um, our goal is to actually, um, have enough prairie
[39:25] dogs in the rabbit mountain complex that we can reintroduce
[39:28] the blackfooted ferret. So there's a lot of different areas
[39:31] where we want prairie dogs. And then the areas that
[39:34] for our leaseholders that we don't, um, the actual methods
[39:38] that we use, um, I can't speak to that because
[39:41] it's, it's, it's a gas and I don't want to
[39:43] mix up which one it is. Um, but they, they,
[39:46] they, they do, uh, use a perk machine and the
[39:50] gas gets pumped down into the prairie dog holes. And
[39:54] that's my understanding. I just want to be sure we're
[39:57] using anything that then becomes lethal up the food chain
[39:59] to predators. No, we don't do that. And I, I
[40:03] hear from a letter and I don't think that came
[40:05] to POSC. I think I got it somewhere else from
[40:07] Dana Bove about trapping out at Stearn's Lake. Now I
[40:13] monitor the Eagles out there. Haven't been out there to
[40:15] look where they're trapping. But I know that Prairie Dogs
[40:17] had been invading into the agricultural land. So I noticed
[40:21] a little bit off topic. Can you speak to that
[40:22] at all for me? Yeah. So I mean, the situation
[40:25] there is a little bit different. Right. So obviously, um,
[40:28] our Eagles do utilize prairie dogs as part of their
[40:31] food supply. And of course fish as well. Um, and
[40:35] in those situations, it's kind of difficult because we have
[40:38] to manage for multiple objectives. Right. And so we're looking
[40:41] at those locations and we're not getting rid of all
[40:45] the prairie dogs in that location. And that's usually not
[40:47] the right practice to do. Because the population is going
[40:50] to come back and it's, it's going to boom again
[40:53] unless you get rid of them all. Uh, but we
[40:55] don't want to do that because we don't want to
[40:57] take too much of the prairie dogs from the food
[41:00] source for those eagles. Um, but we also want to,
[41:04] uh, validate the issues our leaseholders are having on the
[41:07] land. And so it's a kind of a delicate balance.
[41:10] Okay. Thank you. And I am aware. I mean, there's
[41:13] a huge prairie dog designated area out there. And like
[41:16] I say, I know that they're impinging on the agricultural
[41:20] fields there. So thank you. Great. Thanks. Further, Joan. Um,
[41:27] so out at Batasso, the second, not the main parking
[41:32] lot, but the one that's a little northeast of there.
[41:34] I think there's a recycle, um, asphalt path leading from
[41:39] that parking lot. And it is deeper, but it's, it
[41:43] seemed fine to me as far as probably pretty smooth
[41:46] for even like wheelchairs. But I also wanted to ask
[41:51] whether there's any money in this cast projects for signage
[41:57] and or additional patrolling of the Tucker property. So that's
[42:04] not proposed for 27. Um, as you know, we do
[42:08] have work to complete up there, but that will be
[42:11] a separate, potentially a separate budget requests for additional patrol
[42:17] and then signage would be covered under, we have a
[42:20] line item in the directors budget, um, for property stabilization,
[42:25] emergent issues and so forth that would cover additional signage
[42:28] costs. Okay. Because I remember it was said that the
[42:34] number of unautarized trails has just grown so much in
[42:40] the past few years. So with every delay, we could
[42:44] have even more trails. Agreed. Anything else from POSAC. Okay.
[42:54] Recall. Recall, we're not voting on this one. So, um,
[42:59] so, um, public comments, is there, Nick, anybody registered to
[43:05] speak in person. Yeah, I'll just give a second for
[43:08] anybody on the Zoom webinar. If you want to make
[43:10] comments, use the raise hand feature. I'm not seeing any
[43:17] raised hand. Well, I think we're done with this topic
[43:20] then. Sohanna. Well, in the audience, yes, please. Thank
[43:30] you, Carol. Yes, yes, please do. And state your name
[43:35] an approximately where you live. You don't have to give
[43:37] your exact address. Uh, Kevin Williams. Martin Akers, Boulder student.
[43:47] Quick question. How did you guys come to the total
[43:49] of 50, 000 for files? Cause it seems like kind
[43:53] of a lot to me. Really this section is for
[43:58] Public Comment and we don't engage in a back and
[44:00] forth with the, uh, staff. But thank you for your
[44:04] question. Yeah. That's all I got. Don't mean to waste
[44:08] your guys'time. Okay. Thank you. Thank you very much. And
[44:12] I will be back next month. One second half. Okay.
[44:16] Thank you. Okay. So that is all of the staff
[44:21] presentations. We're going to receive today at Trace Baker POSAC.
[44:26] Do we have, um, any comments or questions from POSAC
[44:33] for items not on tonight's staff agenda. Christine. Christine
[44:43] Johnson POSAC. I just wanted to note that on the
[44:49] drought monitor with the university of Nebraska Lincoln, um, I
[44:55] checked it this morning. And a good chunk of Eastern
[44:59] Boulder County is now D4, the most severe, um, drought
[45:04] category. And that falls over a lot of, uh, agricultural
[45:10] land. And I look forward to, um, possibly in our
[45:15] retreat this winter discussing drought, further detail. Thanks.
[45:26] Lauren. Um, I guess Lauren Kelso, I think, um, one
[45:30] thing that I learned through this process to was just
[45:33] that they're drought resilience measures and capital projects. A lot
[45:40] of that stuff may come into the Capitol projects conversation,
[45:43] um, Christine. So I think that's another thing to kind
[45:45] of keep an eye out for, um, in our next
[45:48] month conversation. Thank you. Anything else from POSAC members on
[45:54] any topic. Okay. Well, thank you. Um, next agenda item
[46:01] is the director's update.
[46:20] Hi, good evening. This is Jason Suk, Director of Parks
[46:23] in OpenSpace coming to you tonight in disguise. It's nice
[46:28] to be out of, you know, typical work clothes here.
[46:31] And, uh, actually get out onto our, our open space.
[46:36] And. It's great to be here with you tonight. Um,
[46:39] great question. So I just want to say first, great
[46:41] questions. And thank you so much for the discussion on
[46:43] the CAS projects. This is an interesting discussion because it's
[46:50] a small kind of peeling back the curtain on the
[46:53] complexities of the budget and these things. And I think
[46:56] I just want to emphasize that, um, I would say.
[47:02] We'll call it like 60 40 70 is of our
[47:06] funding is from that 126 sales tax fund. We do
[47:09] have general funds. Those are usually for non open space,
[47:14] uh, items that we take care of. So that's, um,
[47:17] things like, uh, the fairgrounds, things like youth core, um,
[47:21] things that are kind of typically outside of the open
[47:24] space arena that we are, you know, charged with overseeing,
[47:27] implementing and managing. And so the bulk of our work
[47:31] and, you know, much of our discussion here and your
[47:34] purview is on, uh, the 126 funds. And so some
[47:38] of those are capital projects. Some of those are these
[47:40] one time projects that we'll talk about next month, um,
[47:43] but the bulk of the budget is kind of in
[47:45] the operational and maintenance space when we're talking about different
[47:48] topics. They're coming with Presentations. You know, maybe some of
[47:51] them will be sort of on this list or a
[47:54] specific one - time projects or projects that last for,
[47:57] you know, a few different years, aka Capital Projects. But
[48:00] I would say most of our things that we're doing
[48:02] are kind of in our, you know, everyday operational maintenance,
[48:07] um, budget. And those are, that's kind of where the
[48:09] bulk of our, you know, our funds and attention is,
[48:13] is on. So just because you see something on this
[48:15] list, that's not, you know, that might just for one
[48:18] reason or another, it's come up as, you know, in
[48:20] this category, but it doesn't represent the whole of what
[48:23] we're doing, you know, or, or kind of represent the,
[48:28] you know, the entirety of the approaches that we're using,
[48:31] you know, trails, for example. Boy, we'll be doing a
[48:33] lot of trail maintenance and a lot of work there
[48:35] more than just the couple things that are on that
[48:37] list. So it's just something that I've been learning and
[48:40] still learning as I've, um, coming to this role in
[48:43] the last five months. And I just want to share
[48:44] them with you. We're in celebration mode in some ways.
[48:49] We are really looking forward to, um, on Sunday, the
[48:54] volunteer picnic. So I think you all may receive that
[48:58] invitation. Um, perhaps you're able to come, um, it'll be
[49:03] great to be able to interact with our many, many,
[49:05] many volunteers. I think we have 140 RSVPs. And those
[49:10] folks are incredible. Um, you know, it's like the bulk
[49:15] of our workforce. You know, they're out there. It's the
[49:17] community partnership that we really enjoy. And they're doing great
[49:21] work on a number of different topics sectors, uh, lines
[49:26] of work. And, you know, open space really couldn't be
[49:30] what it is today without, you know, the enormous effort
[49:33] of our community and our volunteers. So we're excited to
[49:35] celebrate them. Last week and this week, we had Walker
[49:40] Ranch School Days programs and over 200 school kids came,
[49:45] uh, which was fantastic. Wonderful to have them out. Um,
[49:48] we've got, uh, coming up on Sunday, October 4th. If
[49:53] you've ever dreamed of, you know, participating in like field
[49:56] of dreams now is your chance. Uh, we have the
[49:58] vintage baseball game. I don't know if you've ever seen
[50:01] this before, but I think you have to wear like
[50:04] baggy uniforms and really be out of part. So if
[50:08] you'd like to take part or even just witness and
[50:10] celebrate, um, that'll be at the Walker Ranch homestead on
[50:13] Sunday, October 4th. Uh, it's also autumn heritage day too.
[50:17] So a great celebration there and recognition of kind of
[50:20] the, you know, cultural role that Parks and Open space
[50:23] is playing. Um, to think about and, and, and preserve
[50:26] that cultural element cultural heritage and element last Thursday, we
[50:32] had our AG leaseholder appreciation dinner. We had over 40
[50:36] leaseholders come, um, one of the more, I guess, populated
[50:43] events with them in the last few years. It was
[50:45] wonderful for me to be able to see so many
[50:47] people, um, you know, share many conversations, learn, you know,
[50:52] as what you alluded to Christine, you know, learned about,
[50:55] um, their successes, the very difficult time. And, you know,
[51:01] I guess my takeaway from that is that, you know,
[51:05] we're, we've got close relationships and we're working together. And,
[51:09] you know, continue to be open to, you know, many
[51:11] conversations on, gosh, what's the path forward and a challenging
[51:15] time and really pleased that we have a unique way
[51:20] of stewarding our lands and, you know, producing food, you
[51:24] know, livestock, you know, Hey, in Alfalfa for our community.
[51:30] It's a, it's an incredible program and a unique way
[51:32] to engage with folks. Um, but it was great. Just
[51:40] a reference, I guess, maybe a kind of relative to
[51:42] this cast stuff. There's a few, you know, things that
[51:44] we're doing, you know, that don't fall on that arena.
[51:47] So for example, on the trailhead area, we are, uh,
[51:50] using volunteers to stain a restaurant that runs to a
[51:54] preserve. We've got fence and gate repairs all over the
[51:58] place at Hyle at Bold Mountain at Kirk Gardens. We
[52:01] have ADA concrete upgrades at the Good Hugh House. And
[52:05] bilingual sign replacements at Batasso Preserve at the Walker Ranch
[52:10] Loop Trail. We've got some step replacements and just continue
[52:14] to work on maintaining those trails there. Um, so the
[52:17] messages allowed a trail maintenance. And, you know, outside of
[52:20] the specific projects that come forward here, uh, today and
[52:24] next month as well. We've got, um, also demolition. We
[52:33] just completed the demolition of the walled and pond fishing
[52:37] pier. Um, that's been in great need for some time.
[52:41] And we're, you know, working to, you know, put it
[52:45] together. It's, I don't know if you've been there recently.
[52:47] It's kind of been taped off and it's falling apart.
[52:50] And so we're, we're glad to take care of it.
[52:52] And, um, look forward to that improvement. I wanted to
[52:59] note too that, uh, district planning. We've talked about that
[53:02] a lot. Uh, a lot of movement there. So we
[53:04] posted the RFP on the 18th of September. It'll close
[53:08] on the 16th of October. And we into space selecting
[53:13] the consultant and executing the contract itself by the end
[53:16] of this calendar year. And the kickoff and, you know,
[53:19] maybe January, February of 2027. And then the whole process
[53:23] starts there. So, um, you know, we're waiting on those
[53:26] consultants to figure out how we can, um, engage POSEC
[53:31] on and the community, um, to better engage and, um,
[53:34] kind of form those, those groups that we've been discussing
[53:37] and really looking forward to deeply, more deeply engaging. You
[53:43] all and the community in that planning process. It's going
[53:45] to be, uh, a good lift and a lot of
[53:48] work, but, uh, we're thrilled about it. I think the
[53:51] concept and then, you know, actually tackling the specific area
[53:55] for this peak to peak area. Excuse me, Jason. Yeah.
[53:59] And you're talking about the regional planning. That's right. Instead
[54:01] of the individual. That's correct. Yes. Parcel plan. Yes. So
[54:04] we're kicking off the consultant. Hopefully again signed in mobilized.
[54:11] Say end of the year slash early next year. And
[54:13] then beginning the detailed planning process specifically first for that
[54:17] peak to peak district. That's kind of, um, we'll call
[54:23] it hilly mountain ish southwest Boulder County. I think. Heidi
[54:31] might. Be greater in that area. Thank you. Um, and,
[54:36] uh, yeah, we're looking forward to get going on that.
[54:38] And what I'm most excited about, I think is kind
[54:40] of uniquely engaging POSAC to get your expertise work together
[54:44] with community and go forward from there. So we'll iron
[54:48] out that exact process as we move forward and, and,
[54:51] and bring the consultant on board. Um, and then finally
[54:55] at the fairgrounds, um, we're thrilled to have, uh, selected
[54:59] a contractor to begin work on replacing the exhibit building
[55:01] roof. This building is one of the most used buildings
[55:04] at the fairgrounds and the repair allows to continue events
[55:08] such as quilting shows, roller derpy events and much, much
[55:11] more, um, so we're looking forward to an improved roof
[55:14] there. And, uh, the work that'll begin. Sorry, Jason. I
[55:19] have a quick question about that. Lauren Kelso. When is
[55:22] that supposed to happen and will there be disruption to
[55:25] sort of services at the fairgrounds. I'm going to call
[55:28] my colleague Jarrett Roberts to help you out. Sheer it.
[55:33] Today's your day. Jared Roberts Community amend his deputy director.
[55:39] I should just add up front today. Um, we, we've
[55:43] been working with Public Works. Public works is another department
[55:45] that's actually running the contract. And then we have a
[55:48] vendor selected. We have what are called blackout dates that
[55:51] were built into the contract that the contractor has to
[55:53] work rounds. There's less disruption of services. Um, the plan
[55:57] is for them not to be working while quilt shows
[55:59] and other things are going on. Um, but I will
[56:01] say it's getting pushed close to the end of the
[56:04] year. So we're, we're hoping that they can get on
[56:06] it really quick and get in there and work in
[56:08] between events. Um, we do have time periods when a
[56:10] lot of the events are on weekends. And so they
[56:12] might be able to work Monday through Thursday and then
[56:15] have to like close up and make it passable for
[56:17] that little period of time over the weekend. Great. Thanks.
[56:21] I don't know much about quilting, but the Boulder County
[56:23] winter farmers market is one of my favorite things to
[56:26] do. So I know that happens there as well. Is
[56:29] that self - interested question. And then finally, um, I
[56:38] think, uh, Nick Kid sent out some information about an
[56:41] upcoming field trip to Las Barakas. We're looking forward to
[56:44] that. We also plan to organize this long awaited trip
[56:48] to, uh, to that peak to peak area. And, um,
[56:51] we'll providing more, we'll be providing more details when we've
[56:54] got that all teed up and put together. Yeah. And
[56:57] I think that's it from, from, from my side and
[57:00] updates, um, but welcome any additional comments or questions you
[57:04] might have. Uh, Vicky. Lawrence POSAC, Jason, I should have
[57:11] done this during POSAC comments. Can we get an update?
[57:15] At least I'm curious. And I don't think I've missed
[57:17] something. Can we get an update on the cardinal mill
[57:19] and what happened with water quality there and what they've
[57:21] done and what's been resolved. I would just like to
[57:24] hear what has happened with that because it was such
[57:27] a big issue last year. Yeah, absolutely. Um, so that
[57:31] doesn't happen now. Or necessarily need to happen now. I'm
[57:34] just saying in the future that that would be something
[57:37] to be nice to have on our agenda, in my
[57:39] opinion. Absolutely. Well noted. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you
[57:42] for your interest. Anyone else from POSAC for Jason. Okay.
[57:49] Jason, thank you. Okay. So now, um, you may be
[57:55] aware that the County Commissioners have reinstated a period in
[58:01] which members of the public can comment on any topic,
[58:08] not necessarily limited to items on the agenda tonight. And,
[58:14] um, I know I thank the commissioners for, um, allowing
[58:17] that. I do have an introduction that I need to
[58:21] read. POSSAC will now receive general comment for up to
[58:26] 30 minutes, which each speaker limited to three minutes. We
[58:31] ask that members of the public focus their comments and
[58:34] feedback on matters within POSAC's authority under its bylaws, including
[58:41] topics listed on tonight's agenda, open space LAND acquisition and
[58:46] dispositions, capital improvement plans and open space management plans and
[58:52] policies. If comments are made on matters outside of POSAC's
[58:58] authority, the committee will not be able to address or
[59:02] take action on those concerns. We encourage members of the
[59:06] public who wish to comment on matters outside POSAC scope
[59:11] to participate in one of the board of County Commissioners
[59:16] two monthly public comment sessions where those matters can be
[59:20] brought directly to the elected board. Thank you for participation
[59:25] and for helping us ensure that POSAC's time remains focused
[59:30] on matters within our established roles. So Nick, do we
[59:36] have anybody registered in the, uh, hearing room today. Haven't
[59:43] seen any registrations come through. Do we have anybody in
[59:46] the hearing room who wants to, uh, make a public
[59:49] comment. And I do not see any hands raised. Uh,
[59:55] next, do we have anybody online. Oh, wait a second
[59:59] for anybody online. To use the raise hand feature. I
[1:00:04] don't see any raised hands. Okay. Thank you. So that
[1:00:09] concludes all of our agenda items. So, uh, POSAC, thank
[1:00:14] you for, um, your interaction with staff and staff. Thank
[1:00:18] you for your presentation and answers. And we are adjourned.