1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:08,000 All right. Good evening, everyone. This meeting is now being recorded. You may begin. 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:11,000 Thank you. Thank you. 3 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:23,000 I am calling to order the meeting of the historic preservation advisory board for Boulder County, Colorado on Thursday, February 5th, 2026 at 6 p.m. Yeah. 4 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:26,000 And this is a virtual HPEB meeting. 5 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:29,000 Could we do roll call, Jessica? 6 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:32,000 Sure. Buffy Andrews. 7 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:33,000 President. 8 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:37,000 Larry Dorsey. 9 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:39,000 Here. Sorry about that. 10 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:42,000 No worries. Rachel Gart. 11 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:45,000 Hi, I'm here. 12 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:49,000 Elizabeth Gehring. 13 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:54,000 She is listening. She might not participate tonight. 14 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:55,000 David Haas. 15 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:58,000 Here. 16 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:01,000 Caitlin McKenna. Here. 17 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:05,000 Glenn Sherwood. Here. 18 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:07,000 And I believe that's everybody. 19 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:09,000 Great. Thank you. 20 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:16,000 Next up, we have citizen participation for items not otherwise on the agenda. 21 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:21,000 Do we have any citizens for anything other than the things on the agenda tonight? 22 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:25,000 Doesn't look like it. 23 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:32,000 In that case, we can move on to approval of the minutes from December 4th, 2025. 24 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:37,000 And I will be abstaining from this vote because I was not there. 25 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:40,000 I move to approve. 26 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:43,000 Do I have a second? Or, yeah. 27 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:48,000 A second. David or Larry's. 28 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:54,000 He beat you to it. Pick one. Yeah. 29 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:58,000 All right. In that case, we will take a vote. 30 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:00,000 Okay. 31 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,000 Buffy Andrews approve. 32 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,000 Larry Dorsey approve. 33 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:10,000 Rachel guard. 34 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:15,000 I can see her. 35 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:23,000 Just nod your head. Yes. 36 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:28,000 Sorry. I was out of the country. I wasn't at that meeting. Okay. Sorry. 37 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:32,000 David Haas approve. 38 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:39,000 And Glenn Sherwood. 39 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:42,000 Did you hear that? 40 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,000 Okay. Now we hear you. Thanks. 41 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:48,000 Great. So the approval of the minutes passes. 42 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:55,000 Next up is building permit reviews for structures. 50 years of age and older. And I don't think we have any. Okay. 43 00:02:55,000 --> 00:03:01,000 And so then we have certificates of appropriateness. The cardinal mill. 44 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:05,000 All right. And so. 45 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:17,000 This is Jessica McKinnon with community planning and permitting. And we have CA dash 26 dash 0, 0, 0, 2. The cardinal mill flood proofing project. 46 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:28,000 With Boulder County as the applicant. And the rule of the HPEB is to determine whether the proposed project meets the criteria for certificate of appropriateness. 47 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:35,000 Boulder County parks and open space is proposing a flood proofing project for the landmark cardinal mill. 48 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:45,000 And I sent along a packet with maps and the landmark resolutions and the materials from the applicant explaining the project. 49 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:54,000 And included in the staff are cura, the criteria for the certificate of appropriateness and preservation staff. 50 00:03:54,000 --> 00:04:03,000 Finds that the proposed flood proofing project meets the criteria for certificate of appropriateness and recommends approval. 51 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:10,000 And I will turn it over to, I'm not sure, Elizabeth or Charlotte or somebody else. 52 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:17,000 If you want, if you would like to talk about the project at all. 53 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:25,000 Charlotte kit. I'll let you y'all take it from here. 54 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:34,000 Yes, do you want to handle it or they know I, you know, we're here to answer questions. 55 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:40,000 So the cardinal mill project we're removing the perimeter tow drain. 56 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:45,000 That is not functioning very well right now and it hasn't been functioning for a while. 57 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:50,000 The there's a bunch of springs that come down the hill. 58 00:04:50,000 --> 00:05:04,000 There's like a wrap we with ramble, we've, you know, mapped where that water is coming from and kind of the pathways through the waste rock pile to the west to the springs and then onto Boulder County property but those, 59 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:18,000 especially during the spring that there's a lot of water and it flows through from some places we don't know exactly where it's coming from but it flows through the mill and across the parking lot and that's not what we want. 60 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:29,000 We want the water to stay out of the mill and so the perimeter drain is not functioning as intended when it was installed back in 2005. 61 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:38,000 It was I don't think it was working from the beginning actually because they punched a hole in the top of it to accommodate more water. 62 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:52,000 It probably in the springtime they realized, oh, this is not functioning very well and but I don't know if how long it the water's been moving through the mill and across the parking lot so we can't really say for sure. 63 00:05:52,000 --> 00:06:05,000 We just know that is right now there's also a CDPAT water quality permit tied to it environmental remediation permit right and I'm losing track of the permit names. 64 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:26,000 But we since it's not functioning as intended we were proposing to remove the perimeter drain and instead put in some backfill with a material that can infiltrate some of that water and hopefully take it under the mill rather than through the contaminated materials within the mill 65 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:39,000 and then also put a flood proofing wall slurry wall right up against kind of the edge the west edge of the mill and the south edge of the mill with a little bump out for some bats to enter the mill. 66 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:53,000 And that is what we hope will protect the mill moving forward if we do not if for some reason this project is designed does not meet the conditions we're looking for to protect the mill. 67 00:06:53,000 --> 00:07:00,000 So we can do a little bit more work in October but hopefully the way it's designed would put a lot of thought into it. 68 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:11,000 We don't and there's some hydraulic hydrology and hydraulic modeling in the area that we've done so we're really hoping that this project will do the job to protect the mill. 69 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:15,000 Do you want to add anything? 70 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:36,000 Yeah another reason we want to have that see water that's adjacent on the west side of the mill to go either beneath the building or be redirected around the building is because this is a historical mining facility the materials inside the facility. 71 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:43,000 There have been previous environmental site assessments and we know that there is contaminating material inside. 72 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:49,000 So we're really trying to again steer water around it keep things that's inside the building inside. 73 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:56,000 We're not looking to transport any of that impact and material into the adjacent waterway. 74 00:07:56,000 --> 00:08:22,000 That creek is just located to the south and there's some something I identified wetlands as well so it's it's it's advantageous not only to the preservation of the mill building itself but also the environment around there. 75 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:29,000 Does the board want me to share the materials at all? 76 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:38,000 There wasn't a whole lot in it just mainly explaining I think just what got explained really. 77 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:51,000 I don't know if no one else has an objection I read over it before the meeting but if anybody wasn't able to get to it we could do a short presentation of it. 78 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:53,000 I was able to read through it. 79 00:08:53,000 --> 00:09:00,000 I reviewed it as well prior to the meeting. 80 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:04,000 I wanted a complete packet. 81 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:29,000 I did get confused about the property line of the historic site and it's simple as just to ask is everything that you're proposing to do on the within the property line for the historic site or some of the material distribution and the road outside the historic site. 82 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:42,000 The work would be adjacent to the building and so it is all within the historical footprint but the impact of the water flowing through the mill is beyond the historic footprint. 83 00:09:42,000 --> 00:10:03,000 I mean it seems to me like this is really important work for preservation purposes as well as you know ecological and environmental purposes so I am inclined to vote to give the certificate. 84 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:06,000 I would second that. 85 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:08,000 Remember to take. 86 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:10,000 Yeah, sorry that was just my opinion I haven't done the. 87 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:11,000 Oh, sorry. 88 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:14,000 But yeah, I can do that officially if we want. 89 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:19,000 So I motion that we approve a certificate of appropriateness for CA dash 26. 90 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,000 Oh, I'm sorry. 91 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:22,000 Oh, am I not allowed to. 92 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:24,000 Well, no, just ask for public comment please. 93 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:27,000 Oh, sorry. 94 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:34,000 Is there any public comment. 95 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:40,000 My B. 96 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:45,000 It's sounding like no. 97 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:52,000 So we can open the public comment section and then close the public comment section. 98 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:57,000 If it's not in the like list, then I forget to do it. 99 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:10,000 And I would like to move to approve the certificate of appropriateness for CA dash 26 dash 0, 0, 0 to the Cardinal mill Cardinal mill flood proofing project. 100 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:15,000 Buffy's now a kind of second. Excellent. 101 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:19,000 Um, can we take a vote please? 102 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:34,000 Buffy Andrews approve Larry Dorsey approve Rachel guard approve David Haas approve Caitlin McKenna approve Glenn Sherwood approve. 103 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:38,000 All right. And Liz, if you. 104 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:43,000 Yes, I approve. Okay, great. Thanks. 105 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:49,000 Excellent. So that has been approved. Um, and we can move on to, is there any other business? 106 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:56,000 We do. Um, first, I will. Well, first, I'd like to introduce. 107 00:11:56,000 --> 00:12:02,000 Hannah hit Haley. She is my new supervisor. 108 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:09,000 She was Denise's direct report in the past. So, Hannah is the. 109 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:12,000 Hannah, what is your official role? 110 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:22,000 Official title is long range planning division manager. All right. Thank you. Historic preservations fallen under that umbrella for quite some time now. 111 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:27,000 And Hannah's been with the county for a long time. 112 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:30,000 This time around in this position. 113 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:37,000 It'll be 6 years this year. Um, but I also did a stint as a development review. 114 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:41,000 Focus planner for about 8 years from. 115 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:47,000 2008 to about 2016. So. 116 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,000 Great. Thank you. 117 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:53,000 And then, um, I think David. 118 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:57,000 Um, wanted to talk a little bit. 119 00:12:57,000 --> 00:13:01,000 Sure. I just wanted to share about a Latin X. 120 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:06,000 The Latin X effort. Um, it's off to a great start. 121 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:15,000 Um, in terms of our interaction, there were 2 events the end of November, early December. 122 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:18,000 And since then, I'm not. 123 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:23,000 Not anything that I've been tracking or specific to. 124 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:31,000 I see Elizabeth nodding her head. Um, but it's off to a great start. Um, there were 2 shareings. 125 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:36,000 Uh, the second one in early December was the student sharing. 126 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:41,000 And you folks may recall that the student effort was, uh, was a part of it. 127 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:49,000 Um, I unfortunately didn't get to stay for the full run of the students, but the first 2 that I heard were very impressive. 128 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:57,000 It's a night and day between when I went to college and what students in college are doing now. 129 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:07,000 Very crisp professional. Um, one of the 2 students had a subject area where it was sort of hard to get traction. 130 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:18,000 Um, in terms of broadening her work, the second student, um, was paired with a site that had several, um, suicides from the 1920s. 131 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:24,000 And so she turned that into the theme of just, uh, of a mental health inquiry. 132 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:31,000 And just how difficult it can be to be away from home, to be without a social network to support you. 133 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:38,000 And it was a, it was a fascinating presentation and I, you know, acutos to her and her effort. 134 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:08,880 This whole question about truck caro, which may actually predate the Bracero program, there's 135 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:18,040 an exhibit at the Colorado Railroad Museum, so down in Golden. Apparently it's going to 136 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:23,760 be available until August, so it's a good reason to visit the museum if you haven't been in 137 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:29,080 a while. They have pretty good hours. They're closed Monday and the rest of the week they're 138 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:40,640 open daytime hours. That's on my list to do is to make it to that exhibit. Check it out. 139 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:48,140 The email that was at the very tail end of the packet was, I've spent enough time digging 140 00:15:48,140 --> 00:15:53,960 into that railroad history that I thought it was simplest just summarize it as I understood 141 00:15:53,960 --> 00:16:02,120 it. The relationship would be whether there was a truck caro roll in building either the 142 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:13,880 Switzerland Trail, the extensions of the Switzerland Trail, or the Barker Dam. Both projects from 143 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:25,640 the turn of the 19th into the 20th century. So yeah, late 1800s, early 1900s. And so I'll 144 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:33,680 leave it there. I'm not sure if Elizabeth would like to speak next or give us an update 145 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:37,200 or sound good to everyone. 146 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:39,200 Yeah, that sounds great. 147 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:44,640 Yeah, I'd be happy to. First, thank you so much for all those kudos, especially to Julia. 148 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:50,920 That was the student that worked on the mental health piece that I also found really interesting. 149 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:57,160 So actually, tonight, our contractor has just been routed the contract to continue 150 00:16:57,160 --> 00:17:01,600 doing this work. So we've sort of been on pause since December. And I'm really excited 151 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:04,740 that we're going to finally be able to start working with them again, probably starting 152 00:17:04,740 --> 00:17:09,700 next week. They've also sort of been itching to start the work again. We were hopeful it 153 00:17:09,700 --> 00:17:15,580 would start earlier in January, but alas, it'll be starting next week. And so we'll 154 00:17:15,580 --> 00:17:19,700 also be including students again this round and just continuing to pursue some of those 155 00:17:19,700 --> 00:17:24,980 threads a little further, which is really exciting. In terms of the Traquero exhibit, 156 00:17:24,980 --> 00:17:30,660 we actually went all the students. And I did too. And then I think a few others 157 00:17:30,740 --> 00:17:37,020 went as well. It was a really great time. And we got sort of a private tour with Jasmine 158 00:17:37,020 --> 00:17:41,380 Robertson, who was the curator of that exhibit, highly recommend attending. And I actually 159 00:17:41,380 --> 00:17:47,580 just heard from her that they got a grant to sort of continue their work with the Traquero 160 00:17:47,580 --> 00:17:54,340 exhibit. It's the Anschutz Foundation grant. And they'll be hosting a reception the evening 161 00:17:54,340 --> 00:18:00,060 of March 19th. And so that would be a great time to go see it. I think they're going 162 00:18:00,060 --> 00:18:05,180 to have some speakers as well. And it's a great little sort of exhibit that really helped 163 00:18:05,180 --> 00:18:10,180 inspire some of the students. And David, you're right, the Traqueros actually started before 164 00:18:10,180 --> 00:18:17,820 the Bracero program. Traqueros were from 1880 to 1950, and then was the Bracero program. 165 00:18:17,820 --> 00:18:23,580 So it did predate that. So I appreciate you and all of that feedback. And I was starting 166 00:18:23,580 --> 00:18:27,260 to write down what you ended with there about Barker Dam and the Switzerland Trail. 167 00:18:27,420 --> 00:18:32,740 And we'll definitely start to look into that. I think we found out that there were certainly 168 00:18:32,740 --> 00:18:37,700 some Traquero folks working in the Naiwa area, that there was a train sort of going 169 00:18:37,700 --> 00:18:42,060 through there. So, yeah, we're going to continue to look into that as well. 170 00:18:45,580 --> 00:18:48,140 Great. Thank you. Oh, go ahead. 171 00:18:49,580 --> 00:18:55,260 Thanks to David for that plug for the museum. And I've seen the exhibit and a little tiny 172 00:18:55,260 --> 00:19:01,020 bit of contribution to it. So it's a worth your time for sure. And I hadn't yet heard about 173 00:19:01,020 --> 00:19:08,860 the grant. That's great news. And I wanted to ask the Boulder County staff, there used to be 174 00:19:09,580 --> 00:19:16,780 about the warm weather months. The Cardinal Mill would be open for visitors. Is that 175 00:19:16,780 --> 00:19:18,860 going to happen in 26? 176 00:19:22,380 --> 00:19:30,380 So because there are bats in the area, and there's concerns about White Nose Bat Syndrome, 177 00:19:30,380 --> 00:19:36,780 we've actually not been taking people, definitely not inside the Mill. I know that one of our 178 00:19:36,780 --> 00:19:42,060 seasonals, Donald, who works at the Mining Museum, has taken folks sort of to the outside of it 179 00:19:42,060 --> 00:19:50,700 and been giving briefer sort of tours of the area. But I don't think it'll be as open to the public 180 00:19:50,700 --> 00:19:57,820 as it used to be while we're mitigating the tow drain. And then also, you know, taking care of the bats. 181 00:20:00,700 --> 00:20:03,660 But if you did want one, I can put you in contact with the right person. 182 00:20:03,660 --> 00:20:08,140 All right. That's who you know, huh? 183 00:20:12,380 --> 00:20:19,180 Since NYWAT came up, NYWAT, starting point is actually a little bit older than the 184 00:20:19,180 --> 00:20:29,980 Turquero program. 1873, there was enough capital flowing that that particular railroad got built 185 00:20:29,980 --> 00:20:34,620 through Boulder, through NYWAT, and ended in Lawnmont. 186 00:20:36,940 --> 00:20:44,860 And Kathy Kaler has some information on, one of the section leaders was a Hispanic guy that 187 00:20:47,260 --> 00:20:53,820 can't remember his name now, Apadaka. And so she's gotten in contact with 188 00:20:54,380 --> 00:20:58,700 Jasmine about that connection for the railroad museum exhibit, too. 189 00:20:59,420 --> 00:21:03,980 Yes. Yeah. And I think it was in the book that she actually referenced. We went and we found it at 190 00:21:03,980 --> 00:21:06,940 the Carnegie. And so we have also pulled that information as well. 191 00:21:10,700 --> 00:21:21,580 Great. I do have a couple more updates, or other business. One, I wanted to mention and see if 192 00:21:21,580 --> 00:21:28,460 I could get some help or maybe even just a volunteer to nominate Denise for the Square 193 00:21:28,460 --> 00:21:38,780 Nail Award this year for Preservation Month. And so I think probably, I'm not sure, maybe Larry 194 00:21:38,780 --> 00:21:45,820 or Glenn, maybe you know, but if the application comes out later this month, 195 00:21:45,900 --> 00:21:55,420 or is it even March, I'm not sure. But well, when we get that, maybe I can get a volunteer to help 196 00:21:55,420 --> 00:22:05,980 with that. I also wanted to mention that the land use code cleanups that you all approved, 197 00:22:06,860 --> 00:22:11,500 and these were the small cleanups, those went to the Board of County Commissioners 198 00:22:11,500 --> 00:22:21,580 and were approved. So you won't find them yet in the code in like the versions. It's just not 199 00:22:21,580 --> 00:22:30,220 out there yet, but it was approved. So that's exciting. And then hopefully, I'm hoping later 200 00:22:30,220 --> 00:22:37,820 in the year, maybe we can get back to the code and start looking at our next layer of updates. 201 00:22:38,220 --> 00:22:47,500 Let's see. I also wanted to mention, and David, you kind of brought up the conference earlier, 202 00:22:49,580 --> 00:22:55,740 wanted to mention that we were not awarded a scholarship. We applied for a scholarship 203 00:22:55,740 --> 00:23:01,900 to attend the CPI conference this year, but we didn't get it. And then because of budget cuts, 204 00:23:02,460 --> 00:23:11,580 we didn't have the funds to send board members. So I guess I'm just putting this out there because 205 00:23:11,580 --> 00:23:17,980 we do need to meet the CLG requirements of having board members attend trainings, 206 00:23:20,060 --> 00:23:25,740 that I will keep sending you trainings as I see them. And although I think already this year, 207 00:23:25,740 --> 00:23:32,060 I think Buffy, maybe you've attended one already this year. I have, yeah. It was interesting. It was 208 00:23:32,060 --> 00:23:39,260 very interesting. Great. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you for sending it. I'm sorry. I was just thanking 209 00:23:39,260 --> 00:23:47,260 you for sending it. Oh yeah, of course. Yeah. Did the disaster preparedness zoom that 210 00:23:47,260 --> 00:23:53,980 History Colorado did I think last week, would that have counted? It might. Yeah, it might. 211 00:23:53,980 --> 00:23:58,940 We'll have to find out. Okay. You and I were both on that, right? Yeah. Yeah. 212 00:24:02,060 --> 00:24:07,660 Elizabeth, you're going? Nice. Okay. Yeah. And quite a few folks from Buildings and Historic 213 00:24:07,660 --> 00:24:12,300 Preservation will also be there. So we can also bring back notes and knowledge and share that 214 00:24:12,300 --> 00:24:19,340 around. Great. That'd be great. Usually we are able to send people. But after we didn't 215 00:24:19,980 --> 00:24:26,380 get the scholarship, I actually, I didn't even ask because we just had so many cuts and we had 216 00:24:26,380 --> 00:24:33,580 people being laid off. So I didn't, I just didn't feel like it was appropriate. Jessica, is the 217 00:24:34,700 --> 00:24:40,700 training requirement for each and every board member or cumulative for the board as a whole? 218 00:24:40,700 --> 00:24:48,140 Yeah, it's for the board as a whole. So we need at least one member attending a CLG, 219 00:24:48,860 --> 00:24:59,340 like a certified training. And so I probably, either what Buffy or what Caitlin already attended 220 00:24:59,340 --> 00:25:05,420 this year counts, but I'll still just keep sending them along and we'll get it figured out. 221 00:25:06,060 --> 00:25:11,420 So we're in pretty good shape for 2026. I think we are. Yeah. Okay. Good. Yeah. Thank you. 222 00:25:15,340 --> 00:25:20,700 And I think that's all I wanted to bring up. Thank you. 223 00:25:24,060 --> 00:25:31,100 Great. Well, if that concludes other business, then we can move to adjourn. 224 00:25:31,820 --> 00:25:34,940 Actually, do we have to move? I can just adjourn it. 225 00:25:37,660 --> 00:25:41,820 There you go. I just want to take off my shoe and yeah, but never do. 226 00:25:43,420 --> 00:25:48,860 Great. It was great to see you all. Good to see you. Definitely. Goodnight, everyone. Thank you. 227 00:25:48,860 --> 00:25:51,900 Good night, everyone. Thank you.