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I hope you have a joyous and happy Thanksgiving. As we move forward, I think it's important that we all realise, and our own ways, our blessed we are,

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and that we should all show our Thanksgiving.

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And a part of that is how we treat each other and how we treat our neighbors and our community.

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One of the things that Bowie has done is it stood out as a community of love amongst each other.

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And so I hope as we come upon this holiday time, this festive period that we continue to do so.

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That we continue to love our fellow man and particularly make sure that we continue to make Bowie that place that it's been in the past but moving forward in the future as well.

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So thank you all for taking the time to be out here on this chilly night and thank you for all of those for the service you do.

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And on that note, I am going to call the City of Buick, regular City Council meeting of Monday, December 2nd,

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2024 and council chambers it is now 802 to order, with those who are able please rise and join us in the pleasure of legions.

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For which it stands, one nation, under God, end of this, with liberty and justice for all.

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Thank you. Madam City Clerk, could you confirm that we have a forum this evening?

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Yes, Mayor, we do have a forum this evening. This evening, I'm pressing in council chambers.

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We have council members, staff, council member Rogers, Mayor Proton Wolfley, Mayor Adams,

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council member Brady, council member Truesdale, and council member and get the model.

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Okay, thank you so very much, thank you, Clark.

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At this time, I would like to move as we get to agenda, additions, deletion, agenda, additions,

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deletions and amendments that we move item E do to some additional items we want to review

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that we move that to the January 6 meeting.

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Second, it's been moved in probably second.

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All in favor, please respond with the Nye, a poll-stained favor, hearing none.

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Are there any other agenda additions, deletions or amendments at this time?

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Constable Brady.

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Thank you, Mayor.

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I'd like to add a new item for discussion and it relates to the Redeemer Church

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applications for their church and six homes.

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I'd like to have a discussion on task and staff

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with action to try and get that delayed

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from tentatively this Thursday, the fifth

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in the January February and have them

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if successful have them do a report

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and bring it back for us to hold a public hearing

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and take a position on that application.

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But I'd like to add that for the discussion.

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Second, I'll do a new item.

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Okay, and you're adding that for discussion, you'd like to put it for the January meeting.

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No, today, right now, so we can test staff.

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Okay, it's just a discussion on the task and staff for the assignment.

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Okay, thank you.

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Motion, second, everything.

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It's been moved in probably second that we add the item for the discussion time meeting today.

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All in favor, please respond with the NIE, a poll-sign favor, hearing an ocean carries.

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Are they, and the other agenda addition deletions are men?

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Hearing none, we will move on to citizen participation.

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Madam City Clerk,

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the first one is...

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Thank you very much for this opportunity. I am here because I wanted to bring the city council

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bring to your attention an effort that has been going on for the past five years. Almost ten years ago,

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Williams, and I quoted a book, a city of Bui, a history book, a book of essays and photos,

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chronicling the history of Bui. During that project, I came upon the, the fact that there was

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a lot of missing data on, enslaved at the Fairbunction. The book itself was well received, but there's

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a lot of holes in it.

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The enslaved, that Belém aren't sharing

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in other topics we couldn't include.

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Inhale, for the past five years, five, four years,

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I've been working with Susan Proctor at Boe Museums,

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chronicling and cataloging the enslaved records there.

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We have enough material for a book.

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During the same time, we realized that there was the parallel effort by Professor Laura Masur at a secret heart, the on-marked graves.

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She actually got together and said, well, there's all of this work on history of buoy.

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So we sort of put our efforts together. She and I are co-authoring this volume of essays on buoy.

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There's another effort by another professor,

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Mendoza Elzam Mendoza, who actually worked with the Georgetown project,

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chronicling the Jesuit slavery at White Marsh.

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She's also doing some original research on this.

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So the reason for my presentation tonight is to ask for some sort of,

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City Council recognition of the historical nature of the omissions. And this is no

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the GI project. Never has been, we've been, I mean, I'm a local historian. I like history

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and so I've been researching this for like I said, I've been doing research and bullying

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for our 10 years now, I did a history book with Boolean, Pam Williams, anyhow, the idea

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then is to present the efforts that we've been working at, this whole idea of chronicling

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the enslaved here in Boolean, in Piscadoe, Canoeland, and in a way to chronicle this so that

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able to give a full-life history, a richer history of buoy and the, you know, this, this, this

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play. So the idea is that, you know, I came here in order to ask for any sort of support, financial

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support, but the city's work of recognition of this submission of the enslaved, especially

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I'd better imagine. Also, Mike Marsh, the Jesuit history there, the Amat's graves, and also what is most interesting is there's new research about the African-Americans and slave African-Americans, who were here in Prince George's county, who filed suits in Washington, DC, challenging slavery.

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This has been an effort of historical significance that we are trying to bring all of this information together in this book.

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The idea of challenging slavery itself is a bold move that some of the enslaved African-Americans undertook at that time.

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There's also another aspect of the fugitivity, the runaway slaves, who's lives, who are also also

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been chronicled by the Nina Brown who's a Washington Post writer and also a professor in

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rest of Maryland. So we are bringing all of this research together. There's a lot of efforts

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going on to chronicle this history and just wanted to bring it to your attention that, you know,

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Bowie is a place of so much history, I mean going about 400, 500 years and some of us

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local historians are trying to cornercoat some of the history, some of them are trying to

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So please make sure you leave your contact information with the city clerk.

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Yes, Mayor. Yes, thank you.

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Next, we have less.

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I'm sorry. I've gotten so familiar last.

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Okay. I just want to talk about the agenda packet that was attached to the agenda.

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Okay. It's full of important and complicated details from several sources.

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It's comprised of over 650 pages, there are items regarding software engineering, economic planning, and others.

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I just got to ask, how many of you have read this under the six pages?

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I was able to do it and have a good understanding of all of it.

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I hope that the City Council gets briefed from people that really are on top of these type of things.

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and have an intimate knowledge so that you understand it because one day you're probably going

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to have to vote on a lot of this stuff.

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The interesting makeup on our city council here made up of diverse group of individuals regarding

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different experience, providing a panel of folks with complementary knowledge and experience.

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And I think that's a good thing because it covers a lot of ground.

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More specifically, I want to comment on items with my own opinions, but first let's look

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at today's environment.

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We have a new administration in DC and that needs to be monitored by the city.

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Interesting is the information that we get about the economy being strong.

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I would like to bring out some facts that need to be considered.

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Just found out just look at some today credit card that has been rising to unprecedented

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to the levels, and continues to go up where savings accounts are being depleted at the same

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time.

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That kind of sends an interesting message.

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National debt is at an old time high, inflation is still out there as far as I can see.

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See it, regardless of what the source is telling us.

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I also suggest that when looking at unemployment stats, check out the U1 through the U6,

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It tells us more of a detailed account of what's really happening just the U3 which is pretty much what everybody looks at.

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State Maryland budget shortfall is so big. I don't see us ever being that ever being rectified.

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Where are the massive dollars left behind by the previous governor and where is the rest of the money going?

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What do we have to show for the spending? I don't think very much in my opinion.

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Okay, I'll let you, it's the same thing with PG County, you know, where does that leave the city a buoy?

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And it's, I'll let you mall that over, you know, more about this night than I'm sure.

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An appropriate stance forward to be to focus on items that are needed and put aside those that are nice to have until our future becomes more clear.

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Regarding proposed Popeye's chicken restaurant, let me talk about that a second.

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I've go from one to the other in the agenda.

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Do we really need another chicken restaurant and boy to cannibalize existing businesses of the same type?

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I personally think not.

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Okay, let me talk about the energy portion.

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Let me talk about the energy portion and the efficiency stuff.

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It looks very impressive, details, and we'll throw it out.

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It's over the top complicated, and I think there's only one person

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on the council that can really assess this info, okay?

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Hopefully that person will guide the rest of the council in a good direction.

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Part of the energy presentation is in regard to vehicles using public safety.

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Regarding public safety is not regarding public safety, it's not about money.

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It's about response time, safety of citizens and providers, and those are police fire and

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EMTs.

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I suggest that the public safety folks be allowed to get the vehicles they need.

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First and foremost, so they can keep us and themselves safe as possible.

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Please don't saddle public safety with entities with vehicles.

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That make them less effective. There are always unintended consequences to plans like this. The ones that EV fires burn extremely hot in our subject to explosions, they are very difficult to extinguish.

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some time ago I presented proposal to obtain equipment specifically designed to address

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EV fires and it went on deaf ears. I'd like to hear what the engineers have to say about

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EV fires and how it presents dangerous circumstances to first responder citizens and property.

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Stating that they are stating that these fires are rare is not an answer since the push to go to

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these across the board. It will increase the population and create greater possibility for disasters

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and fires and explosions. I fully support also. Let me talk about the economic development

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committee meeting which I had the opportunity to go to, I'll be brief. I fully support

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the economic development committee and I'd like to say, I'd like to say, I see the liaison

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John Henry King and the members to be very diligent, logical, and dedicated, the really good people

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and I enjoyed going to this meeting.

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I'm curious, however, to know if we have any tips, GIFS, for at this time, or playing to have

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any new tips in the system, and I'd like to thank you for listening to me, you're all dedicated

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people. I thank you for everything that you do and I'm glad you're here.

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I have a good holiday.

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Thank you.

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We now have Jesse Blunt.

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Good evening.

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Good evening, everyone.

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I'm actually seeing you over in the Aboui Commons community.

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And I'm here tonight to try to get some direction or some type of suggestion

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as to how I can go about getting HUD to find out how to get directed to the right HUD

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contact so that I can actually have them advocate for the seniors and the tenants,

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which would include myself. We have a lot of problems. We have new owners who have come in.

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We've never met with new owners. They have actually, they have the mediators of which would be

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the property manager and the regional manager.

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And the office is never open, it's very, very open,

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it's very, very, very, very, though the staff,

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the available to us.

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And I'm at, I'm at with in right now,

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we're trying to get my red ledgers square

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the way properly.

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When you reach out to them,

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they operate up in Baltimore.

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It's always a two or three day turnaround time.

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And I can't, I can't live like that.

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And a lot of, a lot of the seniors,

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their bed written and some of them do not use computers.

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I'm computer-literate, I've held a lot of jobs, I've paid my dues to be where I am.

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And so I really, really just need the proper representation, someone is going to advocate for

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the seniors, someone is going to help me feel comfortable and trust where I live, because

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where I'm at now, I don't trust the property manager nor do I trust the regional manager.

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And I've never met the owner, so I don't know, I was told that they're going with us in December.

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I was told that they were actually going to meet with us upon taking on the property.

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None of that happened. There were packets that we had to sign.

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There are things in my least that's there now questioning and everyday things change and nobody actually gives proper notice and writing.

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I have tons of e-mails to support all the things I'm seeing here tonight.

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Thank you very much.

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What we'll do is we'll make sure we'll get to a name with it.

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Lady Clark, and we'll call from there.

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As I already responded to our VA email, and so I, but she hasn't seen that yet, so that should answer

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a question or get to the right person.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thanks.

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Okay, we'll now move on to presentations, the Oably Arts and Heritage Committee.

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Please come forward.

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What we would like to do is to have council members.

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It was in council. Let's go down. And is there a precedent we can agree to them? Okay? All right. Yeah, all right, let's go down.

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Everyone wants a question, please.

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everybody.

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No, we're missing somebody. Here we go.

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All right. Good afternoon. I'm sorry. Good evening. All right, once again. Good evening, Mayor Adams. City Council members and citizens of buoy. My name is Mr. William Green of the old town. I was told not to use the old town.

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Overweigh Arts and Heritage Committee, which is the Oboe Celebrate Our Festival logo, and I would

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like for the steering committee members to come up if they can and for the ones that can't

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stand, you can remain at your seats.

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We have the following people that's here at this time, that's on that committee, is Ms. Werner,

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Ms. Kathleen, Ms. Isabelle, Ms. Heidi, Ms. Levarn, Ms. Tracy, Ms. Penny, Dr. Latoya, Ms. Barnes,

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and of course yours truly, Mr. Green.

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There are individuals that make up the old-boy arts

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and Heritage Steering Committee. And also, the organizers, the old bui, celebrate, which is

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the festival that we had Saturday, September to 5, 2024. We estimated over 5,000 participants

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that participated in our fourth annual festival. And I was just a rough estimate.

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coming and going. Now, with that in mind, within that number of people showing up, we've been coming up here in fighting for whole

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buoy for a long time, in terms of trying to get some of these things done, such as that bridge, the sidewalks, the roads, and maintaining some of the

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All facilities that have been abandoned and we have some residents that's in the area also that needs assistance in terms of housing.

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This is a strong sign that Oboi is worthwhile preserving.

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We have been supported by the City of Boi.

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Our community sole quarters volunteers and helpers.

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On that note, I would like to have Mr. Barnes

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to present the awards and certificates to get you to come up Mr. Barnes.

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Good evening.

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Gerald Vars is my name. The first certificate of appreciation is for Sergeant John McMaster's.

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Is he available? Okay. We'll pass that on tonight.

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The second is Lieutenant John Knight.

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These are all members of the bully police department that assisted us during the festival.

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Corporal David Redmond.

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Thank

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you.

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I appreciate your help.

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The

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next person that we'd like to recognize is Tahisha Miner, who is with Parks Operations,

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Is this a sheet here?

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Nick Surgeon from the Community Services,

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also from Community Services, Matt Corley.

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It's Matt here today.

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The next volunteer is Stephanie Smith,

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also from Community Services, Edward McLean.

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Thank you for your help.

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The next volume that we'd like to recognize is John T's Dale.

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The next certificate goes to co-op Walker.

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you

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come around. Thank you. Thank you for your help. This is for you.

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Thank you.

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The next certificate of appreciation is for Salita Hamilton.

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Who is Master Walker's friend?

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The

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next volunteer we'd like to recognize is Mr. Hassan Abdullah.

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Thank you. Thank you for your help.

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Mr. Abdul.

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Thank you.

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Here you can take a look.

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The next is for my best friend, Marianne Cousabian.

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Philippe Sandiago is our next volunteer. We'd like to recognize you.

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Mr. Stafford Williams is our next volunteer. We'd like to write this

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up.

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Thank

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you sir. Thank you for your help.

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The next volunteer we'd like to recognize is Carl Katan.

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Now Kate, Kate, Kate.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Nice to meet you.

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Nice to meet you.

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OK.

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Are you on a date?

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, go ahead.

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Yeah, you know there.

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There he is.

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Yeah.

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This is Mr. Kate and he's the grand night of the night's

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Columbus at the Theatre Board Council.

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Had the decision perished for you, assisted with

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up in the sauce up.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Appreciate you.

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Thank you.

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Paul Robinson is our next volunteer we'd like to recognize.

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Is he here tonight?

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Matt Corley from the Community Services, our duplicate, thank you, was.

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Melanie Rosa is our next volunteer, we'd like to let you

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go.

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uh... yon c

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factor

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okay

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yeah if you would give them all a round of applause i'd appreciate

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thank you

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all right to keep it going we have to lead Thomas

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thank you

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thank you

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we also have Mr. Haywatha Davis

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We'll also accept on the behalf of Faith Fellowship Church.

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From 1559, we have Tristan Harrell.

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Also from truth-1559, we have Wana Sosa.

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This truth really showed up.

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We also have Angela Cole from truth-1559.

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Also from Troop 1559, we have Valentino Cole,

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and the Troop Master, a 1559, we have

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Ms. Wendy Harrell.

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The Troops really came out this year. From Troop 403, we have Jamil Higgins.

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We also have a son, Mason Higgins, from Troop 403.

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Last but not least, Mr. Richard, on your will.

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All right, Mr. Carl Caden from the Knights of Columbus, from the people of Council.

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I need you to come forward once more, please.

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We're going to make sure you get tortured by the mayor.

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All right.

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On behalf of the committee, also to Stair and Committee,

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we'd like to present this council as well.

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And when you be in the grant night,

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I figured you would put that into your hands.

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Okay, thank you.

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I do want to say our council does like to support the community

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with the efforts that are where they wouldn't put forth with the communities so with this efforts

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that the communities assistance and our volunteers from our council. So having that we have

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someone in our, in our midst, like Mr. Greeney, to keep us connected, and it was opportunity to support

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and with that, thank you.

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Okay, we have a few thank you letters. We'd like to give to some of our head staff. We have Nick, a surgeon from Community Service

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Department. Nick, I knew you were on your somewhere.

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I'm going to get you a pair of roller skates.

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Thank you.

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I'm sorry we have everybody up here. We want to make it official. Okay, we're good. All right, sir.

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You have to get there you go.

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At this time we would like for Jose of Public Works Department to come up.

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See here?

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No, Jose.

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No, Jose.

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All right.

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I'll give that to Mr. Lott.

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He will take care of that for me.

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I'm quite sure.

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And speaking of the devil,

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the next one is for our city manager.

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I understand he made sure these paychecks and everything assigned missed out a lot.

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We need you to come front and center please.

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This is a young man that moves around very quietly.

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He's very servited when he moves.

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I like his moves.

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It's just outstanding, sir.

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Okay.

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I know that, sir.

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Here's your certificate, sir.

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Thank you for services.

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This next thank you letter is to Chief Dwayne Preston of the police department, you see here tonight.

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Mr. Redmond would you take this on his behalf?

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Not a problem.

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We had one more.

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We had one more thank you letter and that was supposed to be for the Booy United Methodist Church,

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which has surpassed their Angela shed control.

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Unfortunately, she was not able to make it night,

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but she just asked me to make her name known.

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Okay, because she has put it the whole group in the city

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at the same time. She's supported us.

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Okay? Thank you.

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And,

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with no further ado, so we don't hold the council up

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the rest of our certificates.

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We'll take them home with us and we'll call those folks

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that did not show tonight.

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So we wanted to bother to call their names at this time.

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And we would like to thank, right?

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We're going to thank this?

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You sure?

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All that, they say no, mate, I'm counting on you.

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You're free.

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You're free.

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We do have an honorable man to come to me and spend some time.

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You want to come around here, not you?

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One more thing, before we leave,

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after to see you get through, we're going to have Ms. T's

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they'll come up and just say a few words.

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Hi.

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I'm Celia Murphy.

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and I'm also on the steering committee and we really all of us really want to acknowledge this wonderful

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wonderful woman and this is a special mention and her name is Tony Hansbury and she drove those

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golf carts I'm telling you made so many of these festival goers very happy and she just has an amazing

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disposition wonderful humor and just boundless energy so we would like to recognize her.

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Miss T's Dale, Miss T's Dale is our co-chair along with her, another co-chair, Miss Kathleen.

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Thank you, and it is just a pleasure to be here with the terrific group Tony.

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Tony, Tony, we just counted on to get us wherever we needed to go and she was always there and always willing.

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I love you, my dear.

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Well, thank you so much.

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We've been buddies for a long time, yeah. You have to run the gauntlet.

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I want to give you just one little piece of history about the old Louis celebrates festival.

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And that little piece of history strongly requires you to recognize Mr. Green because without his support

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with out his, in just determination, it probably never would have happened, so thank you, Mr. Green.

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And as you know, this is what the third, one year we were right now, but we've had wonderfully successful years

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and in large part, because of the support of all of you, the support of Buoy, and each year it gets a little bit bigger.

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And we try to make it always a little bit better because we think it's a wonderful way to show off this marvelous city that we live in.

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So thank you to each of you for what you've done to help make the festival possible.

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And you can't imagine a more wonderful group of people to work with and this group of people.

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Thank you very much.

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I just want to do what Furnace said, I mean this would not happen without these wonderful

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people that are up here backing us and the support that we get from the council and the city.

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And that's the only way that this event happens.

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And the wonderful volunteers that come out on that day to make everything happen.

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So, thank you all very much.

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So, Mayor, I think we're done.

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You all have an AC.

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Thank you.

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All right. Thank you. Thank you for all you do. Thank you.

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Under no business, we will not be moving on to item B, energy efficiency and conservation strategy.

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Mayor.

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We're under city boards and committees. Is what's next?

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What's that? City boards and committees, is what's next?

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I'm over the little fast here.

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Okay.

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And now on city boards and committees, appointments, reappointments and squiring in.

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Mr. Kevin Lopez Cruz was interviewed on November 18, 2024, for appointment to the diversity committee.

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Council concur to appoint him to the committee as a regular member for a two-year term.

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Council member Rogers, will you please make a motion to appoint him?

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Certainly, Mr. Mayor.

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I have the pleasure to appoint Mr. Kit.

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I've moved to appoint Mr. Kevin Lopez Cruz.

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Second.

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It's been moved in properly.

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Second.

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I need discussion.

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Hearing none.

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I'll call for the vote.

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All in favor, please.

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It's bound with an eye.

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Aye.

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Opposed.

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Same favor.

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Hearing none.

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Congratulations.

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The appointing is the motion.

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Come on up.

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Come on up.

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Come on up, here.

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Sweaty on it.

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It's the rower out of your head.

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Front here.

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A right here.

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Right here.

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A right here.

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Here we go.

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Here's the ground.

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Good ground.

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Out of here with the 10 feet.

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That's right, it's right here.

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That's for you.

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And made all like to shake your hand up.

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All right.

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OK, let me get a swammel.

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Raise your right hand.

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That's for you.

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I, stationary,

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do swear our firm, that I will support the Constitution of the United States,

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and that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to the state of Maryland and support

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the Constitution and laws thereof,

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that I will to the best of my skill and judgment,

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diligently

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and faithfully,

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without partiality, our prejudice,

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execute the office of regular and state

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diversity of diversity, community, according to the Constitution, and laws thereof.

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We'll start again.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Enjoy the hat.

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Here we go.

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We'll not move to council announcements.

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We do for the future.

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Oh sure.

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Do you want to stand there and get a photo of this way?

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One.

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Okay.

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Go on to stay up here.

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That's going to be like two hours from now.

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Okay.

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Because the department chair has been changed.

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Come on now.

476
00:48:42,420 --> 00:48:42,940
Come on now.

477
00:49:04,370 --> 00:49:10,370
It's John, can I ask you a favorite or if someone grab a picture for the stolen place?

478
00:49:11,190 --> 00:49:12,250
Well, Leslie's going to take it.

479
00:49:12,490 --> 00:49:13,530
Leslie's also a photographer.

480
00:49:14,110 --> 00:49:14,770
All right, I apologize.

481
00:49:29,890 --> 00:49:32,290
That's one, I'm getting another one.

482
00:49:32,290 --> 00:49:41,750
Okay, how about we all smile?

483
00:49:43,550 --> 00:49:45,990
That's one, I'm getting another one.

484
00:49:51,150 --> 00:49:58,030
I'm going to sell this back to you, there's another lady there, there we go, there we go.

485
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,480
Thank you.

486
00:50:47,620 --> 00:50:52,160
Okay, we're going to move on to council announcements.

487
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,280
Are there any announcements by council members?

488
00:50:58,350 --> 00:50:59,290
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

489
00:50:59,390 --> 00:51:00,630
Just a very brief one.

490
00:51:00,890 --> 00:51:06,530
Mr. Green and the committee handed out a lot of paper earlier to a lot of different folks.

491
00:51:06,690 --> 00:51:12,430
But I just didn't want to just take a knowledge, excuse me, a moment and acknowledge the folks who handed out all those awards.

492
00:51:12,430 --> 00:51:18,070
of Verna, Kathleen, John, Dr. Moss, and a whole bunch of people who I see have now left.

493
00:51:18,930 --> 00:51:20,850
Who did a really great job working with our staff?

494
00:51:21,110 --> 00:51:24,890
I also really want to credit Dustin Cousin, who's now, I think, like the planning director

495
00:51:24,890 --> 00:51:29,830
for Loud and County or something, who's started this effort about five years ago, was his

496
00:51:29,830 --> 00:51:35,230
idea at back at Old Town Grill, and he got the initial group together that did this and

497
00:51:35,230 --> 00:51:38,610
continues to live today, thanks to the wonderful efforts of the many volunteers we saw the

498
00:51:38,610 --> 00:51:41,850
as well as our wonderful city staff and my Council colleagues

499
00:51:41,850 --> 00:51:43,410
to support the event every year, financially.

500
00:51:43,970 --> 00:51:45,010
So I just want to say thank you.

501
00:51:46,810 --> 00:51:48,610
I may have the Council on Council on Saturday.

502
00:51:50,210 --> 00:51:51,130
Yes, Mr. Mayor.

503
00:51:53,150 --> 00:51:53,670
Thank you.

504
00:51:54,010 --> 00:51:55,050
Thank you.

505
00:51:55,050 --> 00:51:55,470
Thank you.

506
00:51:55,510 --> 00:51:56,370
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

507
00:51:56,490 --> 00:52:00,010
I just want to echo the sentiments

508
00:52:00,010 --> 00:52:04,530
to from Mayor Adams in terms of wishing everyone

509
00:52:04,530 --> 00:52:05,770
a happy Thanksgiving hope.

510
00:52:05,810 --> 00:52:07,210
Everyone had great things given.

511
00:52:07,210 --> 00:52:11,950
And happy holidays and how blessed we are in the city.

512
00:52:12,430 --> 00:52:15,970
And lastly, I just want to make an announcement

513
00:52:15,970 --> 00:52:18,810
in terms of just the condolences to a family.

514
00:52:19,570 --> 00:52:21,930
Young brother by the name is Cornelius McDonald,

515
00:52:22,270 --> 00:52:27,970
who was struck in last week by gun fire.

516
00:52:28,010 --> 00:52:31,770
He had an organization in the youth organization called State Solid.

517
00:52:32,270 --> 00:52:33,630
And he was a community activist.

518
00:52:33,630 --> 00:52:41,710
We, you know, the county, the city not particularly this city, but the county and all, you know,

519
00:52:42,030 --> 00:52:48,650
um, has lost a great brother, son, and a father. So I just want to say prayers out and condolences.

520
00:52:51,470 --> 00:52:58,450
Councilwoman and the mamada. Thank you so much, Mr. Mayor. I just want to offer a brief apology. I know that

521
00:52:58,450 --> 00:53:06,370
Citizens participation, I did hand out a piece of paper to my colleagues, so I didn't want anyone to think that I was not paying attention or trying to interrupt.

522
00:53:07,150 --> 00:53:19,670
I did write a letter to Secretary Reagan of the EPA a couple of weeks ago in regards to some matters of the city and I wanted to hand out to my colleagues the Secretary's response to my letter written to him.

523
00:53:19,730 --> 00:53:21,770
So that's all. Thank you so much, Mr. Mayor.

524
00:53:22,970 --> 00:53:24,890
Thank you, Councilman.

525
00:53:25,170 --> 00:53:26,530
Any other announcements?

526
00:53:28,490 --> 00:53:33,870
Seeing none, we will now move on to the city manager's report.

527
00:53:34,850 --> 00:53:35,750
Good evening, Mr. Mayor.

528
00:53:35,910 --> 00:53:38,390
City Council and residents out there.

529
00:53:40,410 --> 00:53:42,650
We are, I hope everybody had a great thanks given.

530
00:53:43,230 --> 00:53:43,370
I did.

531
00:53:43,670 --> 00:53:47,170
I wish everybody happy holidays come up in December.

532
00:53:47,930 --> 00:53:57,890
On one business point, the bulk trash solicitation that we all will be going out this week.

533
00:53:58,490 --> 00:54:04,830
And so hopefully, if the bits come in, but in our budgets and all that, we'll be back to you

534
00:54:04,830 --> 00:54:09,510
in January with a budget amendment, if necessary.

535
00:54:10,390 --> 00:54:12,590
But I would want you all to know that bits about to go out.

536
00:54:13,650 --> 00:54:14,290
Thank you.

537
00:54:14,290 --> 00:54:15,750
Thank you, City Manager.

538
00:54:17,090 --> 00:54:22,530
At this time, I will open a floor for motion regarding consent agenda.

539
00:54:23,330 --> 00:54:25,850
Mr. Mayor, I'd like to move to approve the consent agenda.

540
00:54:28,550 --> 00:54:29,710
Left side of the view.

541
00:54:30,050 --> 00:54:32,690
Last night, I am E, which was moved there.

542
00:54:32,910 --> 00:54:33,870
That's correct.

543
00:54:35,250 --> 00:54:36,710
It's been moved in probably second.

544
00:54:36,850 --> 00:54:37,630
I need discussion.

545
00:54:38,490 --> 00:54:39,810
Hearing none call for the vote.

546
00:54:39,930 --> 00:54:41,870
All in favor, please respond to the aye.

547
00:54:41,870 --> 00:54:46,330
All right, a poll-centered favor, hearing non-motion carries.

548
00:54:48,830 --> 00:54:51,050
We will now move on to...

549
00:54:51,050 --> 00:54:54,750
Oh, business, I see no old business on the agenda.

550
00:54:55,030 --> 00:54:55,510
Is that correct?

551
00:54:56,230 --> 00:54:56,990
Correct, Mayor.

552
00:54:57,950 --> 00:54:59,950
All right, we'll now move on to the new business.

553
00:55:00,620 --> 00:55:12,760
We will start with item A, detail side plan, DSP 2003-02, Oppaise Resteron at Millions Cross.

554
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:16,200
Go ahead, Mr. Miner.

555
00:55:16,300 --> 00:55:20,420
Good evening, Mayor. Members of the council. I'm Joe Miner at the City Planning Director.

556
00:55:21,240 --> 00:55:29,620
Here to introduce this item. This is detailed side plan DSP 200003-02.

557
00:55:29,620 --> 00:55:34,260
It's a revision to the Mill Branch Crossing site plan.

558
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:43,980
It is for a Popeye's restaurant, approximately 3,000 square feet in size on a parcel that's approximately one acre.

559
00:55:45,340 --> 00:55:47,320
The state, as you know, is under development.

560
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:51,760
Now, their townhouse is being built in the rear portion of the site.

561
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:59,380
This is the property that's right across from Walmart on US 301 on the east side of US 301 at Mill Branch Road.

562
00:55:59,380 --> 00:56:04,640
The preliminary subdivision plan was approved in 2021 for this property.

563
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:10,740
And since that time, there's been one other plan that's come through for review.

564
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:16,040
That's for a dash in and convenience store gas pumps and car wash at the northern end

565
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:16,820
of the development.

566
00:56:17,720 --> 00:56:24,900
And this applicant is proposing, as I said, about a 3000 square foot, Popeyes, eating and drinking

567
00:56:24,900 --> 00:56:26,620
establishment with a drive through.

568
00:56:26,620 --> 00:56:30,380
and that is shown on attachment two of your package,

569
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:34,080
a copy of the site plan and the landscape plan is attachment three.

570
00:56:35,900 --> 00:56:39,960
Fortunately, we don't have a PowerPoint or anything like that tonight,

571
00:56:40,580 --> 00:56:43,080
but it's a rather straightforward and simple case.

572
00:56:43,820 --> 00:56:48,780
The window of review was really very short for this turnaround time.

573
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,680
We received the referral only a few weeks ago,

574
00:56:52,060 --> 00:56:55,180
and I believe the County Planning Board date isn't early January,

575
00:56:55,180 --> 00:57:06,960
So, we had to bring the application forward without the blue advisor planning boards input on this agenda because there are no other council meetings this month.

576
00:57:08,300 --> 00:57:21,840
The criteria for approval of a detailed site plan is simply that the planning board may approve the site plan if it finds that the plan represents a reasonable alternative to satisfying the county's site design guidelines.

577
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:29,040
We did look at the comments that were produced by the viewing agencies of our complaining.

578
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:35,020
There are a number of recommendations that they made, which we picked up in our staff recommendation.

579
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:39,820
Also looking at the city's development review guidelines.

580
00:57:40,460 --> 00:57:50,980
There was a guideline dealing with lighting, sight lighting, that they be full cutoff fixtures to avoid unnecessary light,

581
00:57:50,980 --> 00:57:54,460
bill over in glare on adjacent roadways and properties.

582
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:56,360
And so that is the Council's policy.

583
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:00,220
And we'd recommend that that be also made a condition

584
00:58:00,220 --> 00:58:00,860
of approval.

585
00:58:01,580 --> 00:58:05,040
With respect to the staff recommendation, as I mentioned,

586
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:07,900
we recommend approval with four conditions.

587
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:11,660
I understand, excuse me, understand.

588
00:58:11,900 --> 00:58:15,400
The applicant is not an agreement with conditions two

589
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:19,520
and three, and I'll let Mr. Gibbs the attorney speak to that.

590
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:32,080
But conditions two and three relate to a suggestion by the park and planning staff that the driveway around the restaurant, not be a continuously,

591
00:58:34,140 --> 00:58:48,100
a continuous driveway around the building and that the side of the driveway that the streets and lowly drive should be removed and that area replace with green space in order to create an outdoor seating area.

592
00:58:48,100 --> 00:58:52,860
And it's my understanding after talking to Mr. Gibbs, that that really is not possible.

593
00:58:53,580 --> 00:58:58,440
It doesn't fit within the circulation plan that's used for this type of facility,

594
00:58:59,300 --> 00:59:04,540
and that the company was not going to provide outdoor seating on these types of projects.

595
00:59:05,580 --> 00:59:10,100
So conditions 2 and 3 can be removed from the staff recommendation.

596
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:17,100
So, essentially, we're recommending approval with two conditions, one being a minimum of two

597
00:59:17,100 --> 00:59:22,160
bike racks shall be provided near the entrance to the restaurant, and then, as I said,

598
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:28,180
about the site lighting that the site lighting be made designed with full cut-off fixtures

599
00:59:28,180 --> 00:59:33,780
to avoid unnecessary lights bill over and glare on adjacent properties and roadways.

600
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:36,460
And with that, that concludes the staff presentation.

601
00:59:36,460 --> 00:59:41,180
Mr. Edward Gibbs is here representing the applicant he can make a short presentation.

602
00:59:42,460 --> 00:59:42,940
Okay.

603
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:46,100
It's come forward.

604
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:50,150
Thank you very much.

605
00:59:50,390 --> 00:59:50,970
Good evening.

606
00:59:51,350 --> 00:59:53,310
Mayor Adams members of the council.

607
00:59:53,890 --> 00:59:57,190
Edward Gibbs here are going to turn you with offices in Largo.

608
00:59:58,690 --> 00:59:59,970
And a pleased to be here the seat.

609
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:28,320
We're representing Green Branch, LLC, the master developer of this project. And Mr. Chesley, the principal of Green Branch, is with us this evening, as is his engineer Kim Morgan from Lantek and then Popeye's specific civil engineer Mr. Ethan Pacifico of Bowman Consulting is directly behind Ms. Morgan.

610
01:00:29,020 --> 01:00:35,040
I really can't add a great deal, I will just say that, as most of you know, we have been

611
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:41,220
here on several occasions during the development entitlement history of this project, and

612
01:00:41,220 --> 01:00:46,700
we're really happy that dirt is being moved, Stanley Martin is building town homes.

613
01:00:46,900 --> 01:00:53,840
Mr. Chesley has, in fact, sold the multifamily component, and they're ready to commence

614
01:00:53,840 --> 01:01:02,880
operations. There are 77,000 and some change square feet of commercial retail uses that were approved

615
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:12,840
for the project. The city has my clients very happy that the city has supported all of

616
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:20,660
his efforts with this project. And this is the first truly retail offering that has come before you.

617
01:01:20,660 --> 01:01:27,580
Dash in has been approved. There are two other site plans that have been filed. They'll be coming

618
01:01:27,580 --> 01:01:34,360
shortly. But this Popeye's restaurant is the first detailed site plan. It's a use permitted

619
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:40,840
as a matter of right in the zone. But you do have to get a detailed site plan approval. And that's

620
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:47,300
why we're here. I did have a concern about conditions two and three in the staff report.

621
01:01:50,060 --> 01:01:50,640
They

622
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:52,680
report has not yet been released.

623
01:01:54,580 --> 01:02:00,380
I am two and three that Mr. Miner picked up as conditions in his staff report.

624
01:02:02,620 --> 01:02:10,780
They were questions that were raised by the Urban Design Division in their referral at

625
01:02:10,780 --> 01:02:13,140
sub-division and development review committee.

626
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:16,200
They were not conditions in the park and planning staff report.

627
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:24,520
They had four or five major conditions, and they had about 10 or 11 minor conditions that they wanted to discuss.

628
01:02:25,860 --> 01:02:29,000
These two items were raised as questions.

629
01:02:29,420 --> 01:02:38,900
Would it make sense to have one way circulation right in front of the building, which fronts on Saint Lola Lane, the internal spine road of the project?

630
01:02:39,780 --> 01:02:44,740
And would we be interested in having some outdoor seating area?

631
01:02:44,740 --> 01:02:49,620
And the outdoor seating is just not in the Popeye's business model.

632
01:02:50,700 --> 01:02:57,700
Quite frankly, they find that most of their patrons these days are servicing through the drive through window.

633
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:05,980
And they just don't find a need or a use for any outdoor seating at their restaurants.

634
01:03:05,980 --> 01:03:21,360
And changing the access from two way the one way in front of the restaurant would solely have been required if there was going to be outdoor seating to provide enough extra space for a patio.

635
01:03:23,300 --> 01:03:35,960
So we just can't do those things or not required by the zoning ordinance and I'm very happy that Mr. Miner saw fit to withdraw them as recommended conditions in his staff report.

636
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:44,340
We agreed with everything else that he had to say in his report and we have no problem with the full cut-off like fixtures

637
01:03:44,340 --> 01:03:50,560
We think that's a good idea and should be done. So with that being said, I'm happy to answer any questions that you may have

638
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:58,160
Okay, so I just want to for clarification you're saying the two conditions that

639
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:02,060
Mr. Miter and clue them in there. You have no

640
01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:07,440
He had four conditions, one, two, three, and four.

641
01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:11,460
We had no problem with conditions, one, and four.

642
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:17,360
We did have a problem with conditions, two, and three, because they were not staff conditions.

643
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:18,680
They were just questions.

644
01:04:19,980 --> 01:04:25,460
And so with the removal of conditions, two and three, yes, we have no problem with conditions

645
01:04:27,180 --> 01:04:31,060
It's a minor, are those questions that simply need to be removed?

646
01:04:34,100 --> 01:04:42,020
Well, we would agree with the summary that Mr. Gibbs has given that those were ideas generated

647
01:04:42,020 --> 01:04:47,580
by the park and planning staff, which we've reviewed and we agreed with, but again, the criteria

648
01:04:47,580 --> 01:04:53,760
for approval for tight plans is that the proposed plan represents a reasonable alternative for

649
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:55,460
satisfying the site design guidelines.

650
01:04:56,620 --> 01:04:59,420
So conditions two or three, two and three are not necessary.

651
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:03,220
In order to accomplish that, so they can be removed.

652
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:09,940
Okay, so you're a recommendation. I'm trying to get you on the wrong side. You're a recommendation

653
01:05:09,940 --> 01:05:17,020
as we can remove those two. Yes, sir. Okay. All right. Any other questions, anyone?

654
01:05:21,770 --> 01:05:26,770
No. Madam Clerk, are we to open this up for a public hearing?

655
01:05:27,690 --> 01:05:32,850
No, Madam Clerk. Is it just action? No public hearing.

656
01:05:32,850 --> 01:05:35,830
So we'll look for approval.

657
01:05:37,990 --> 01:05:39,230
I entertain the most.

658
01:05:39,930 --> 01:05:42,970
I do have one quick question of the applicant, Mr. Mayor of all of us.

659
01:05:43,430 --> 01:05:45,210
On recommendation number one,

660
01:05:45,850 --> 01:05:47,930
and actually let me direct this to Mr. Minor initially.

661
01:05:48,290 --> 01:05:50,190
And I see Ashley here as well from Planning Office.

662
01:05:51,650 --> 01:05:54,330
Right, Mr. Number one is a minimum of two bike racks.

663
01:05:54,490 --> 01:05:56,630
That should be provided near the entrance to the restaurant.

664
01:05:57,510 --> 01:05:59,610
Looking at the map and just trying to make sense to the property,

665
01:05:59,610 --> 01:06:03,270
Can a person safely navigate via bike

666
01:06:03,270 --> 01:06:04,590
in and out of this restaurant,

667
01:06:05,010 --> 01:06:07,530
if there's like car traffic and a parking lot?

668
01:06:08,950 --> 01:06:10,110
Well, council member is staffed.

669
01:06:10,210 --> 01:06:11,750
There's not an exclusive bike

670
01:06:11,750 --> 01:06:14,570
lane going into a restaurant from the street,

671
01:06:14,850 --> 01:06:17,330
but it's obviously a shared space

672
01:06:17,330 --> 01:06:20,250
with the vehicular travel lanes.

673
01:06:20,990 --> 01:06:23,450
I believe Mr. Gibbs has described to me

674
01:06:23,450 --> 01:06:25,190
that there is some additional treatment

675
01:06:25,190 --> 01:06:26,870
that they're going to make on the pavement

676
01:06:26,870 --> 01:06:30,730
and perhaps he can add to the answer here for you.

677
01:06:30,870 --> 01:06:32,330
Forgive them, I'm not going to get run over

678
01:06:32,330 --> 01:06:34,330
writing my bike in and out of this restaurant.

679
01:06:34,870 --> 01:06:38,850
You know, I had the same concern when I first met with staff

680
01:06:38,850 --> 01:06:44,190
about this comment, and we had a virtual meeting with staff.

681
01:06:44,710 --> 01:06:46,930
It was either November 13th or 15th,

682
01:06:47,670 --> 01:06:50,850
with the supervisor of the Urban Design Division and the staff

683
01:06:50,850 --> 01:06:54,970
writer, and they had asked for a bicycle circulation plan.

684
01:06:54,970 --> 01:07:01,250
And I said quite frankly, we really don't want bicycles necessarily circulating through

685
01:07:01,250 --> 01:07:03,190
your, it might be a safety issue.

686
01:07:04,090 --> 01:07:06,750
But I said, there are two points of access.

687
01:07:07,650 --> 01:07:12,870
The northernmost access point is two way in and out.

688
01:07:13,570 --> 01:07:21,790
And the bike racks are going to be positioned immediately inside that access point next to

689
01:07:21,790 --> 01:07:23,630
the building, the front of the building.

690
01:07:23,630 --> 01:07:33,090
And so it's just a very minimal amount of the traffic through the parking lot that they

691
01:07:33,090 --> 01:07:33,850
have to navigate.

692
01:07:34,010 --> 01:07:37,070
Basically, you pull in, go directly to them and pull back out.

693
01:07:37,930 --> 01:07:41,950
And we're not sure it's going to be a lot of bicycle traffic to begin with.

694
01:07:42,530 --> 01:07:49,010
And so where you're going to mark that as bicycle lane on site to make sure it's as safe

695
01:07:49,010 --> 01:07:49,530
as possible.

696
01:07:49,530 --> 01:07:54,930
So the placement of the bike racks is such that it minimizes the overlap between bike traffic and car traffic.

697
01:07:55,230 --> 01:07:56,510
No question. No question.

698
01:07:56,710 --> 01:08:02,150
And then the designated movement will be indicated and will be visible to drive.

699
01:08:02,490 --> 01:08:04,350
Yes, it should be just in and out for them.

700
01:08:04,670 --> 01:08:06,550
Understood. Thank you, Mr. Gibbs. And thank you again, Mr. Minor.

701
01:08:10,570 --> 01:08:12,330
Thank you, Mayor.

702
01:08:13,270 --> 01:08:15,050
Just to follow up on a couple of things.

703
01:08:15,730 --> 01:08:17,630
So, I was a little confused.

704
01:08:17,950 --> 01:08:20,850
So, you are providing bike racks as part of the design.

705
01:08:21,230 --> 01:08:21,710
We are.

706
01:08:21,710 --> 01:08:24,790
Just not specifically where staff is called out for them to be.

707
01:08:25,010 --> 01:08:30,770
No, we are at consensus with staff during our telephone conversation.

708
01:08:31,290 --> 01:08:31,930
Okay.

709
01:08:31,930 --> 01:08:41,130
We requested a virtual meeting with staff of park and planning to go over their comments made at SDRC committee.

710
01:08:42,770 --> 01:08:52,350
And so the bicycle lane was one of those items where we said we really didn't want to bicycle lane through the whole restaurant park and lot.

711
01:08:53,410 --> 01:08:58,610
And we had said our bike racks were proposed to be right at the entrance and they said that's fine.

712
01:08:58,610 --> 01:09:04,670
Okay, I noticed that there's the issue of the bike trail and what have you, but you still

713
01:09:04,670 --> 01:09:11,530
have a major component behind you of residential that you would expect people maybe using their

714
01:09:11,530 --> 01:09:16,410
bikes to come since they're not crossing over 301, so there would be a need so glad to hear that.

715
01:09:16,650 --> 01:09:23,150
I have a quick question for Mr. Minot on the issue of the lighting. When you say full cutoff,

716
01:09:23,150 --> 01:09:29,510
are you talking about essentially downward oriented lighting just to make sure I'm clear

717
01:09:29,510 --> 01:09:30,410
that terminology?

718
01:09:30,990 --> 01:09:32,610
Yes, that's what the terminology is.

719
01:09:34,110 --> 01:09:35,690
And I've been long time in supporting it.

720
01:09:35,690 --> 01:09:38,050
I just want to make sure we run the same wavelength with that.

721
01:09:38,670 --> 01:09:45,310
The last question I have is with regards to the recommendation about the two-way drive

722
01:09:45,310 --> 01:09:46,730
aisle in front of the store.

723
01:09:47,530 --> 01:09:52,690
It assumes that I couldn't have been trying to go through my packing to find, but it seems

724
01:09:52,690 --> 01:09:57,710
It's a may be high on the side and the high on the story you have a single or a single

725
01:09:57,710 --> 01:09:59,610
direction traffic, is that correct?

726
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:11,440
There's two way traffic all around, indeed, except that when you come in, if you're coming in the northernmost driveway, you can either come in or out.

727
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:28,240
But when you circle around to the west side of the building, which is a budding closest to 301, then circle around the south side, the driveway coming out is exit only.

728
01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:39,440
Okay, okay, but there there are that driveway is I think at least 22 feet sometimes 25 feet circling around the building, which allows for a two-way traffic

729
01:10:41,580 --> 01:10:42,100
Okay

730
01:10:43,300 --> 01:10:45,460
Not exactly certain

731
01:10:45,460 --> 01:10:49,040
I won't debate that issue or argue the issue

732
01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:51,700
Then last it's just a general comment and we've asked the

733
01:10:51,700 --> 01:10:58,220
the outdoor seating, I really don't have a big problem with that, because you're right

734
01:10:58,220 --> 01:11:04,940
up a butt 301. So, I imagine people sitting out there even if you provided it to them.

735
01:11:05,360 --> 01:11:11,720
So, yeah, it's, we just didn't, well, the Popeyes didn't think it would ever be.

736
01:11:12,120 --> 01:11:14,340
Right. So, thank you, Mayor. Thank you.

737
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:17,180
Thank you. Any other counsel,

738
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:21,680
question?

739
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:23,480
I'm good to see you, Mr. Game.

740
01:11:23,580 --> 01:11:24,760
Always nice to see you.

741
01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:26,540
I just have a quick question.

742
01:11:27,300 --> 01:11:28,720
Great for them, my colleague,

743
01:11:29,020 --> 01:11:31,100
acts the more structural questions,

744
01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:35,580
but I'd love to understand, how do we land on a Popeye's here?

745
01:11:38,940 --> 01:11:40,820
That's not involved in marketing.

746
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:45,480
I, you know, Mr. Chesley might be able to answer that,

747
01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:50,700
but I can't.

748
01:11:50,700 --> 01:11:56,020
Okay. I mean, I know that I guess this is just more common for my colleagues because

749
01:11:56,020 --> 01:12:00,020
technically this hearing is not the appropriate form to have this discussion, but I'm so

750
01:12:00,020 --> 01:12:05,860
not in support of a Popeye's being here whatsoever, but I know this is a detailed site plan hearing,

751
01:12:06,100 --> 01:12:10,060
and I'd be the first one to remind everybody else that this is a detailed site plan hearing,

752
01:12:10,340 --> 01:12:15,740
so I don't really have any other questions in terms of the structural design issues, but just

753
01:12:15,740 --> 01:12:20,540
rather being clear that I'm really trying to understand how we landed on a Popeye's here.

754
01:12:20,540 --> 01:12:24,980
I think from my district, from where I sit in district four, we've been very clear that we don't

755
01:12:24,980 --> 01:12:31,560
want any more pop eyes adjacent like restaurants or anything close to it. And given that this

756
01:12:31,560 --> 01:12:37,460
in this particular parcel of land sits on the intersection of 301 and is very visible is what

757
01:12:37,460 --> 01:12:42,320
it seems like. It's just not the right branding that we're looking for in the city of buoy or I'll

758
01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:47,360
least speak for district four and say that this is not what we're looking for in terms of speaking

759
01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:51,460
to other restaurants and saying that we're trying to attract them, this is just not an adjacent type

760
01:12:51,460 --> 01:12:55,900
of establishment that we're looking for. So, I know that there are no further questions for you,

761
01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:59,480
but I just want to be clear and put that out there on behalf of my district district for

762
01:12:59,480 --> 01:13:03,580
and no way support of Popeyes going here, so I just want to participate in the rest of this hearing.

763
01:13:04,340 --> 01:13:09,060
Right. Thank you. I appreciate your comments and understand them and, you know,

764
01:13:09,100 --> 01:13:14,860
my bare fruit have a sidebar discussion about that going forward.

765
01:13:14,860 --> 01:13:18,140
But I'd like to lift the mic up just a little bit for sure.

766
01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:23,500
Anyhow, perhaps a discussion going forward

767
01:13:23,500 --> 01:13:27,060
about other users would be helpful for you

768
01:13:27,060 --> 01:13:28,280
and for Mr. Chesley.

769
01:13:32,730 --> 01:13:33,510
Call us and I'm sure we'll stay.

770
01:13:33,830 --> 01:13:35,370
Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

771
01:13:35,850 --> 01:13:36,890
Thank you for the presentation.

772
01:13:38,290 --> 01:13:41,810
I did this as a detailed form.

773
01:13:42,850 --> 01:13:48,350
So I'm not too much, you're really keen on feeling to match you.

774
01:13:48,350 --> 01:13:52,690
we have a map of something to screen, we can kind of see where the drive-in is going and

775
01:13:52,690 --> 01:13:59,530
think that's sort of, we don't have that, but for the most part, can you elaborate and

776
01:13:59,530 --> 01:14:07,470
maybe Mr. Minor can give more clarity to the driveway, the two drivers? So the recommendation

777
01:14:07,470 --> 01:14:16,230
for two has been, it hasn't been thrown out the window, but it's something that perhaps

778
01:14:16,230 --> 01:14:22,430
can be considered, or if you can get more clarity on, because what I'm just saying, I'm just

779
01:14:22,430 --> 01:14:27,810
seeing a site in a big ex, one way going in coming off at the end of the one.

780
01:14:28,830 --> 01:14:37,370
Oh, that's the, okay, so the entire end look, my apologies for not having a some type of

781
01:14:37,370 --> 01:14:43,210
electronic submission that I could have given to Mr. Minor. I was on the impression he would have

782
01:14:43,210 --> 01:14:49,590
something that would at least show the site and but in any event I could have done that too.

783
01:14:49,970 --> 01:14:57,370
And so this is just as much responsibility for that but the the site of course has

784
01:14:58,370 --> 01:14:59,950
expansive frontage on U.S.

785
01:15:00,940 --> 01:15:26,840
And so the project will have two points of access. The first will be a right-in right-out, directly north of this particular parcel from US 301. Okay? So that'll be an access point right directly off 301. The southernmost access will come off of Mill Branch Road.

786
01:15:26,840 --> 01:15:34,520
And when you come down Mill Branch, there will be a private road that is known as St. Ridgely Boulevard.

787
01:15:35,180 --> 01:15:44,040
And it runs East West to intersect with the Green Branch Regional Partner, where we're providing access for the park.

788
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:49,520
That fortunately it looks like it's going to be coming online here in the not too distant future.

789
01:15:49,520 --> 01:16:01,960
So from St. Ridgely Boulevard, there is an internal spine road that runs north and south all the way up to the right and right out in a little bit beyond.

790
01:16:02,540 --> 01:16:08,920
And the commercial lots all about the western side of that roadway.

791
01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:15,660
This particular site will have two driveways for just this site.

792
01:16:15,660 --> 01:16:26,920
one on the northern portion of the site, one on the southern portion of the site, that will allow the northern access drive will allow two way in and out.

793
01:16:27,180 --> 01:16:30,600
The southern most drive way will just be exit only.

794
01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:34,780
So if that helps, that helps a lot.

795
01:16:34,940 --> 01:16:39,880
And I will be studying what Mr. Minus sent us as well.

796
01:16:39,880 --> 01:16:43,380
It probably be in phase four by time I figure it out.

797
01:16:44,200 --> 01:16:53,100
But for the most part, I do echo in terms of my colleague in terms of the variety of restaurants

798
01:16:53,100 --> 01:16:53,600
and things.

799
01:16:53,880 --> 01:17:00,240
That's sort of an even retail, but I do understand that rooftops attract retail and you

800
01:17:00,240 --> 01:17:07,960
need all kinds of businesses in cooperating with the residents.

801
01:17:07,960 --> 01:17:15,880
I think my big issue is the safety in terms of how the landscape and structure is set up.

802
01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:26,300
So, appreciate your presentation and I'll be emailing more questions in terms of just different

803
01:17:26,300 --> 01:17:31,400
variety of service stores as well as what can we do as it as it is.

804
01:17:31,780 --> 01:17:33,780
And I promise I'll bring better.

805
01:17:33,780 --> 01:17:39,160
I want not better. I will bring visual aids to our next hearing. So, thank you very much.

806
01:17:39,500 --> 01:17:40,880
Thank you.

807
01:17:41,320 --> 01:17:42,440
Any other question?

808
01:17:43,700 --> 01:17:44,980
Jerry, no, thank you.

809
01:17:45,100 --> 01:17:45,780
Thank you.

810
01:17:46,940 --> 01:17:50,280
Any one like to make a motion at this?

811
01:17:55,400 --> 01:18:04,520
I'd like to make a motion for detail site plan DSP 2003-02.

812
01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:18,320
Okay, with the recommendation, with the recommendation regarding the detail site plan for the new item for the item.

813
01:18:20,200 --> 01:18:20,880
I'm not clear.

814
01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:23,660
You're accepting?

815
01:18:24,020 --> 01:18:24,560
Yes.

816
01:18:24,920 --> 01:18:25,000
Awesome.

817
01:18:28,020 --> 01:18:31,200
He's accepting with the recommendation for this.

818
01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:32,020
Yes.

819
01:18:32,020 --> 01:18:32,620
A second.

820
01:18:33,160 --> 01:18:36,360
It's been moved in about a second and a discussion.

821
01:18:38,190 --> 01:18:42,950
Here you go and call for the vote on a favor please respond with an eye.

822
01:18:43,030 --> 01:18:45,370
I oppose saying favor.

823
01:18:47,250 --> 01:18:48,750
Motion carries.

824
01:18:48,830 --> 01:18:50,430
All right.

825
01:18:50,430 --> 01:18:51,290
I like them saying.

826
01:18:51,630 --> 01:18:52,550
You like them saying?

827
01:18:53,810 --> 01:18:55,370
I'm sorry for that.

828
01:18:55,830 --> 01:18:56,470
Any abstentions?

829
01:18:58,070 --> 01:18:58,470
Okay.

830
01:18:59,650 --> 01:19:00,330
Motion carries.

831
01:19:02,190 --> 01:19:03,070
Thank you very much.

832
01:19:03,830 --> 01:19:04,350
Thank you.

833
01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:08,400
Five point.

834
01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:12,420
More affirmative.

835
01:19:22,760 --> 01:19:28,480
We'll now move on to the energy efficiency and conservation strategy.

836
01:19:29,740 --> 01:19:30,640
Good evening.

837
01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:31,940
Good evening.

838
01:19:31,940 --> 01:19:34,020
Good evening, Mr. Mayan Council.

839
01:19:34,640 --> 01:19:36,340
I'm Ashley Diaz on the Sustainability Manager.

840
01:19:37,220 --> 01:19:41,820
And tonight we have lowering consulting engineers to present the draft energy efficiency

841
01:19:41,820 --> 01:19:43,460
and conservation strategy.

842
01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:48,920
This serves as an update to the previous version that was done about 15 years ago.

843
01:19:48,920 --> 01:19:56,320
It takes a close look at our city government building and fleet energy usage and provides steps forward for us.

844
01:19:57,000 --> 01:19:59,500
We'd be happy to answer any questions after the presentation.

845
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:02,660
I will turn it over to Todd and Brian.

846
01:20:06,110 --> 01:20:12,830
Good evening. Good evening. Mr. Mayor, council members. My name is Todd Stephens. I am a vice president

847
01:20:12,830 --> 01:20:20,630
with lowering engineers and I'm a mechanical engineer by degree and training and I work in the energy,

848
01:20:21,270 --> 01:20:27,390
efficiency and commissioning fields. And like I actually said, we're here to present the report we've

849
01:20:27,390 --> 01:20:36,850
preparing since earlier this summer, doing a study on reducing the town properties, energy consumption

850
01:20:36,850 --> 01:20:38,130
and carbon emissions.

851
01:20:42,150 --> 01:20:46,850
Just some background on our company. We are headquartered in New York City,

852
01:20:47,290 --> 01:20:53,110
but we are doing this work out of our local Gathersburg Maryland office. We've got an over 200 employees.

853
01:20:53,270 --> 01:20:58,990
I won't go through all the numbers, but I've been around since 1956 with our first marquee project

854
01:20:58,990 --> 01:21:03,230
being the electrical design for the original Twin Towers

855
01:21:03,230 --> 01:21:05,130
World Trade Center site.

856
01:21:06,750 --> 01:21:08,770
Brief overview of this presentation.

857
01:21:09,050 --> 01:21:10,330
So we're going to go through the overview

858
01:21:10,330 --> 01:21:13,350
and the purpose of why we put this report together

859
01:21:13,350 --> 01:21:14,350
for the city.

860
01:21:15,570 --> 01:21:18,010
And we're going to go through some of the background information

861
01:21:18,010 --> 01:21:20,630
on what was dictating some of the analysis

862
01:21:20,630 --> 01:21:23,090
and the decisions we made, particularly

863
01:21:23,090 --> 01:21:26,190
through some of the legislation at the Maryland state level.

864
01:21:26,190 --> 01:21:32,030
We're going to go through what energy benchmarking we did and what the energy used breakdown was for the

865
01:21:32,030 --> 01:21:34,930
facilities at the city owns that we analyzed

866
01:21:35,810 --> 01:21:41,590
Go over some of the energy conservation measures or ECMs for short the ECMs are

867
01:21:42,150 --> 01:21:47,570
Individual measures for individual buildings designed to achieve the carbon and energy reduction

868
01:21:48,970 --> 01:21:53,950
Some of them are they're in different categories so there are operational changes that can be made

869
01:21:53,950 --> 01:22:06,290
There's capital improvement projects that can be executed and then there's also renewable energy projects that can be implemented to all three of these will work together to meet your goals.

870
01:22:07,010 --> 01:22:17,430
Finally, get into that fleet electrification because studying all sources of carbon emissions was part of our scope then onto next steps and a question and answer period.

871
01:22:18,850 --> 01:22:28,030
So we were retained by the city through a public solicitation that responded to, went through an interview process and were awarded.

872
01:22:28,970 --> 01:22:37,870
The city of Boe was wishing to update its energy efficiency and conservation strategy, like Ashley said, previously done 15 years ago.

873
01:22:38,970 --> 01:22:53,350
This refresher is going to include new mandates from the states of Maryland as well as some new incentives that are available in that towards that end.

874
01:22:54,190 --> 01:23:00,530
So the goals of this energy efficiency conservation plan was to assess the current energy usage.

875
01:23:00,530 --> 01:23:05,170
In the greenhouse gas emissions, that's the benchmarking phase, which includes the city

876
01:23:05,170 --> 01:23:06,430
owned buildings and vehicles.

877
01:23:06,850 --> 01:23:12,550
We're going to provide a blueprint in reducing the greenhouse gas emissions, enhancing energy

878
01:23:12,550 --> 01:23:19,190
efficiency, and supporting the goal of net zero emissions by the year 2045.

879
01:23:19,990 --> 01:23:25,650
We're going to provide a plan, which I believe you have, to meet the Maryland Climate Solutions

880
01:23:25,650 --> 01:23:32,470
now act of 2022, which involves building energy performance standards, reducing the energy

881
01:23:32,470 --> 01:23:39,230
use intensity of individual buildings as well as reducing on-site gas-fired carbon emissions.

882
01:23:40,450 --> 01:23:46,890
And then we had a triage or a prioritization of actions to set target dates or future projects.

883
01:23:47,810 --> 01:23:47,830
Right?

884
01:23:50,540 --> 01:23:50,900
Yeah.

885
01:23:51,020 --> 01:23:52,300
Thank you all for your time this evening.

886
01:23:52,400 --> 01:23:53,500
My name is Brian Walker.

887
01:23:53,500 --> 01:24:00,400
First, I'm going to talk about the Maryland climate solutions now act that was passed in 2022.

888
01:24:01,640 --> 01:24:06,760
So this law requires that all buildings over 35,000 square feet with some exceptions

889
01:24:06,760 --> 01:24:13,200
must annually report their energy consumption and meet certain building energy performance standards

890
01:24:13,200 --> 01:24:15,270
acronym we call BEPS.

891
01:24:15,880 --> 01:24:20,880
BEPS sets limits for net direct emissions and site energy use intensity.

892
01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:27,500
And what those terms mean, net direct emissions refers to essentially the burning of fossil fuels

893
01:24:27,500 --> 01:24:35,360
on sites typically natural gas for heating and site energy use intensity is basically

894
01:24:35,360 --> 01:24:40,500
the total annual energy usage at a facility divided by a square footage.

895
01:24:41,020 --> 01:24:47,860
So with bepset setting limits on those, they are dialing back the burning of fossil fuels

896
01:24:47,860 --> 01:24:52,220
on-site for heating, and also requiring energy efficiency

897
01:24:52,220 --> 01:24:53,420
upgrades to buildings.

898
01:24:55,800 --> 01:24:58,500
Alternative compliance fees will be assessed annually

899
01:24:58,500 --> 01:24:59,960
beginning with calendar year 20.

900
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:13,680
30 data by the state of Maryland for non-compliance. So this applies to three buildings, three city owned buildings, the Boeys city hall that we're in, Ken Hill Center and the Future, Icerina.

901
01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:24,540
And the timeline for this law, 2025 is the first year that annual energy benchmarking reports are due.

902
01:25:26,300 --> 01:25:33,060
2030 is the first year, as I mentioned, that alternative compliance fees will be assessed based

903
01:25:33,060 --> 01:25:39,360
on facilities, actual energy usage, so that first five year period has one standard.

904
01:25:40,400 --> 01:25:46,460
The next five year period starting in 2035 has a second more stringent standard, and finally

905
01:25:46,460 --> 01:25:54,400
in 2040 there is the final step standard, which requires net zero direct emissions and a very

906
01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:57,380
stringent energy efficiency standard.

907
01:25:58,400 --> 01:26:03,580
So that means by 2040 that all buildings affected by this law would have to be completely

908
01:26:03,580 --> 01:26:07,160
electrified with no onsite burning of fossil fuels.

909
01:26:09,310 --> 01:26:14,970
Just one more thing about that, as it applies to the city buildings that we found, there

910
01:26:14,970 --> 01:26:20,170
are going to be some challenges that we discuss in our report with regards to how to to meet

911
01:26:20,170 --> 01:26:27,470
this do provide a plan for meeting it, but there are some costs involved, some complexity.

912
01:26:27,770 --> 01:26:31,650
There will be some trade-offs that will have to be considered as far as there are some

913
01:26:31,650 --> 01:26:36,790
HVAC systems that would have to be replaced before the end of their lifespan in order

914
01:26:36,790 --> 01:26:39,830
to meet this timeline by the state, which is pretty aggressive.

915
01:26:43,740 --> 01:26:48,640
So, the first part of the process to identifying how to reduce greenhouse gases and save

916
01:26:48,640 --> 01:27:00,060
Energy across city buildings is what's called energy benchmarking and energy benchmarking is the process tracking and measuring and organization or facilities energy consumption over time.

917
01:27:00,920 --> 01:27:08,720
So we used 36 months of data energy data each facility or as much was available during those period.

918
01:27:08,720 --> 01:27:14,600
came up with a 12 month average for each utility and you can see from this

919
01:27:15,910 --> 01:27:20,490
included in our analysis and which ones have the greatest impact on the city's

920
01:27:21,050 --> 01:27:27,290
greenhouse gas emissions. So what our treatment facility is the most and then

921
01:27:27,290 --> 01:27:32,450
it's almost a three-way tie between city hall solid waste treatment and the ice

922
01:27:32,450 --> 01:27:33,010
arena.

923
01:27:37,450 --> 01:27:42,250
We also looked at one calendar year of fuel purchases for city-owned

924
01:27:42,250 --> 01:27:49,930
vehicles. This included 210,000 gallons of gasoline and diesel, and this allows us to then look

925
01:27:49,930 --> 01:27:55,490
at the comparison, see the breakdown in greenhouse gas emissions by sector between buildings

926
01:27:55,490 --> 01:28:04,970
and vehicles. So about 61% buildings, 39% vehicles. The graph on the left is your greenhouse

927
01:28:04,970 --> 01:28:11,850
gas emissions within your buildings, broken down by fuel source. So electricity makes up 77%

928
01:28:11,850 --> 01:28:16,590
of emissions natural gas, 21% propane, 2%.

929
01:28:19,210 --> 01:28:24,030
Then just to give a couple of example buildings, starting with Bui City Hall, this is

930
01:28:24,030 --> 01:28:25,850
what's called the energy end use breakdown.

931
01:28:26,850 --> 01:28:33,710
So this presents essentially a pie chart showing the different end uses within the building.

932
01:28:34,530 --> 01:28:39,130
And you can see what, you know, where the energy in the building is going.

933
01:28:39,130 --> 01:28:45,570
So about, you know, 43% to space heating, 13% to cooling, 19% to air distribution.

934
01:28:46,770 --> 01:28:52,750
So, you know, if you're saying about roughly 75% of the buildings, total energy uses going to

935
01:28:52,750 --> 01:29:01,530
HVAC systems. So this helps us to identify where we should direct our focus when it comes to identifying

936
01:29:01,530 --> 01:29:05,800
energy conservation measures, focusing on the biggest slices of the pie.

937
01:29:10,050 --> 01:29:10,970
For e

938
01:29:12,990 --> 01:29:19,490
-analysis of monthly energy usage by electricity and gas,

939
01:29:22,290 --> 01:29:23,570
as would be expected.

940
01:29:23,630 --> 01:29:30,070
You can see that electricity usage peaks in the summertime for air conditioning, natural gas,

941
01:29:30,210 --> 01:29:31,850
usage peaks in the winter for heating.

942
01:29:32,690 --> 01:29:37,710
You'll also notice that gas usage doesn't quite go down to zero in the summer, and that's

943
01:29:37,710 --> 01:29:42,230
because there are hot water boilers here that are operating year-round.

944
01:29:46,170 --> 01:29:48,750
We'll just show one other of these for comparison,

945
01:29:49,090 --> 01:29:49,970
but Ken Hill Center.

946
01:29:51,290 --> 01:29:56,050
Again, space heating, space cooling, are the biggest contributors.

947
01:29:57,230 --> 01:29:59,830
Lighting is actually the biggest contributor there.

948
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:13,700
16% that that facility also just underwent a complete lighting retro fit to LEDs. So I would expect if you're looking at this data year from now the lighting slice of the pie should be a bit smaller.

949
01:30:16,720 --> 01:30:31,060
And also on Ken Hill Center, you can see, again, electricity usage, peaks in the summer for air conditioning. It also has a smaller peak in the winter for there are some electric resistance unit heaters at the site.

950
01:30:32,020 --> 01:30:37,080
But primarily the facility is heated by gas, and you can see as expected natural gas usage

951
01:30:37,080 --> 01:30:43,700
peaking in the winter. In contrast to city hall here it does go down to zero in the summer time,

952
01:30:43,840 --> 01:30:50,840
and that's again because the natural gas boilers is heated by natural gas rooftop units that

953
01:30:50,840 --> 01:30:51,760
are air cooled

954
01:30:56,040 --> 01:31:03,720
measures. We identified a total of 75 energy conservation measures at 13 facilities.

955
01:31:03,720 --> 01:31:11,980
We then categorize the measures by facility and by measure categorically, then a

956
01:31:15,380 --> 01:31:16,060
complex

957
01:31:16,060 --> 01:31:20,580
artist implement and the age of the equipment in the cases of replacements

958
01:31:22,590 --> 01:31:23,550
.ized

959
01:31:23,550 --> 01:31:30,150
as follows operational changes, capital projects, those are broken down into HVAC,

960
01:31:30,470 --> 01:31:34,710
plumbing, lighting and building enclosure, and renewable energy measures.

961
01:31:35,910 --> 01:31:42,230
And this chart on the right-hand side here is showing you the projected greenhouse gas emissions for all the facilities.

962
01:31:43,190 --> 01:31:52,630
You do see some pretty drastic drops there in 27 and 28 and that is simply because we just for, I guess, simplicity.

963
01:31:54,030 --> 01:32:00,530
Energy measures into 2027 and 2028. In reality, that may get spread out a little bit more.

964
01:32:02,450 --> 01:32:09,390
The potential, if all the recommendations in the report are implemented on the time table recommended.

965
01:32:12,660 --> 01:32:17,340
We'll just show a couple snippets here of the Energy Conservation Measures summary table.

966
01:32:17,780 --> 01:32:21,860
This is for City Hall. You can see there's about a dozen recommendations.

967
01:32:22,460 --> 01:32:35,100
If you look at that third column for measure category, you can see there's a mixture of operational changes, capital projects, renewable energy, the for each measure, there's a title.

968
01:32:36,000 --> 01:32:41,600
The report has a detailed description of how to implement each one of these measures.

969
01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:58,140
There's a recommended year of implementation, estimated utility savings, and all the way in the right hand side there is the CO2 emission or greenhouse gas emission savings from each measure.

970
01:33:02,210 --> 01:33:06,170
Again, for Kenhill Center, again, there's 75 of these measures.

971
01:33:06,450 --> 01:33:08,070
We'll show them all here tonight.

972
01:33:08,650 --> 01:33:12,310
But there's also about 10 or 11 measures here for Kenhill Center.

973
01:33:12,450 --> 01:33:16,430
You can see, again, a mixture of operational capital projects and.

974
01:33:21,010 --> 01:33:25,110
So to give a little bit of detail on a few of the recommendations.

975
01:33:26,250 --> 01:33:29,190
So as we mentioned, these measures are broken down into categories,

976
01:33:29,410 --> 01:33:31,550
starting with operational changes.

977
01:33:31,550 --> 01:33:37,450
These operational changes are recommendations that can be implemented typically at little or

978
01:33:37,450 --> 01:33:43,950
no cost and can be done by in-house by facility engineering staff sometimes with a little

979
01:33:43,950 --> 01:33:45,530
bit of outside help from contractors.

980
01:33:46,870 --> 01:33:52,610
So this first measure is to modify HVAC occupancy schedule to match building hours.

981
01:33:53,250 --> 01:34:01,010
So currently HVAC systems at most city owned buildings are being operated 247 in the occupied

982
01:34:01,010 --> 01:34:08,910
mode, you know, these buildings are not occupied 24-7, so this presents a very easy low-hanging

983
01:34:08,910 --> 01:34:16,190
fruit to make some drastic energy reductions at, you know, little to no cost. So this is,

984
01:34:16,190 --> 01:34:20,670
this will be implemented through the building automation system that controls those HVAC systems

985
01:34:20,670 --> 01:34:26,910
and in some cases at the local thermostats for facilities that are not tied into a building automation

986
01:34:26,910 --> 01:34:27,690
system.

987
01:34:31,820 --> 01:34:36,380
Again, we're just going through a few of these but operational changes again. This one

988
01:34:36,380 --> 01:34:42,160
is called hot water temperature reset and this applies to buildings that have natural

989
01:34:42,160 --> 01:34:50,440
gas fired boilers for heating. So currently all natural gas boilers are operated to maintain

990
01:34:50,440 --> 01:34:56,660
a constant 180 degree Fahrenheit supply hot water temperature year round. That's that's really

991
01:34:56,660 --> 01:34:59,920
not necessary only on, you know, very cold.

992
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:12,240
Day like we're having right now this time of year. For much of the year you can save a lot of energy by operating them at cooler temperatures, as you can see from this graph here, what this is showing.

993
01:35:12,740 --> 01:35:25,060
You have return water temperature on the x-axis and thermal efficiency on the y-axis. So in order to achieve the higher efficiency ratings, you would want to operate the boiler is at a lower temperature.

994
01:35:26,040 --> 01:35:31,120
And that this would be controlled through the building automation system by looking at the outside

995
01:35:31,120 --> 01:35:31,740
air temperature.

996
01:35:32,000 --> 01:35:36,240
So the colder it gets outside, you would then provide hotter water and vice versa.

997
01:35:41,300 --> 01:35:45,580
This is to disable hot water heating systems up of 60.

998
01:35:48,120 --> 01:35:52,880
This is not for all buildings with boilers, but specifically to the Boge and Nizium and Bellar

999
01:35:52,880 --> 01:35:58,860
dimension. And that's because these two facilities, we feel there's not a need to operate

1000
01:35:58,860 --> 01:36:04,100
the boilers when it is hot outside. As you can see by the graph on the right-hand side

1001
01:36:04,100 --> 01:36:11,520
here, this is for the Bellar mansion. You can see that the natural gas usage, which is solely

1002
01:36:11,520 --> 01:36:18,860
solely for heat, significant drop from winter to summer. But there's really no need for the

1003
01:36:18,860 --> 01:36:26,080
in using a couple of these facilities outside of the cooler months of the year.

1004
01:36:26,760 --> 01:36:30,260
And just one note on the left-hand side here, we wanted to mention about operational

1005
01:36:30,260 --> 01:36:40,020
changes, is that we recommend that these are not just, but our policies that we would

1006
01:36:40,020 --> 01:36:45,380
recommend a designated individual to ensure that they are continually followed through to ensure

1007
01:36:45,380 --> 01:36:47,940
the persistent future years.

1008
01:36:52,120 --> 01:36:53,940
Now to go through a few capital projects,

1009
01:36:54,600 --> 01:36:55,760
starting with HVAC.

1010
01:36:56,940 --> 01:36:59,620
As we mentioned, the Maryland Climate Solutions

1011
01:36:59,620 --> 01:37:02,240
now act is going to require electrification

1012
01:37:02,240 --> 01:37:04,820
of gas-fired heating systems.

1013
01:37:05,800 --> 01:37:09,040
And the way to do this efficiently is with heat pumps.

1014
01:37:09,380 --> 01:37:11,420
So some of you might be familiar with heat pumps

1015
01:37:11,420 --> 01:37:13,340
if you might have one at your house.

1016
01:37:13,820 --> 01:37:17,140
So the same technology can be applied to commercial buildings.

1017
01:37:17,140 --> 01:37:26,240
So, where fuel fired furnaces have efficiency ratings of 80% over 90%, heat pumps have a coefficient

1018
01:37:26,240 --> 01:37:31,880
of performance of over 3, which is equivalent to 300% efficiency.

1019
01:37:33,520 --> 01:37:39,780
And the way they do this is made possible by reversing the air conditioning cycle, so where fuel

1020
01:37:39,780 --> 01:37:46,360
fired systems can never get over 100% efficient, they're restricted to the amount of heat

1021
01:37:46,360 --> 01:37:48,180
that's contained within the fuel, it's burning.

1022
01:37:48,800 --> 01:37:53,400
A heat pump is actually bringing in heat

1023
01:37:53,400 --> 01:37:54,460
from the outside.

1024
01:37:54,640 --> 01:37:56,680
So you essentially have an unlimited source

1025
01:37:56,680 --> 01:37:58,300
of heat in the outdoors.

1026
01:37:59,180 --> 01:38:00,860
That might seem a little counter-intuitive

1027
01:38:00,860 --> 01:38:02,440
when you're thinking about heating your house

1028
01:38:02,440 --> 01:38:04,160
with the outdoors on a cold day.

1029
01:38:06,860 --> 01:38:09,140
But, and these systems do have a harder time

1030
01:38:09,140 --> 01:38:11,140
of working in the cold or it gets outside.

1031
01:38:11,840 --> 01:38:13,240
They're efficient days in their capacities

1032
01:38:13,240 --> 01:38:14,700
drop a little bit.

1033
01:38:19,440 --> 01:38:27,980
So again, continuing with heat pumps, also you can replace existing fuel-fired boilers with heat pumps.

1034
01:38:29,080 --> 01:38:32,580
This is not quite as straightforward as replacing fuel-fired furnaces.

1035
01:38:32,960 --> 01:38:38,120
There are some challenges that come into play when you're talking about replacing boilers with heat pumps.

1036
01:38:38,880 --> 01:38:45,600
Heat pumps, heat pump boilers are not able to produce the high temperatures that you typically have with gas-fired boilers.

1037
01:38:45,600 --> 01:38:53,720
So we're going to have some cascading effects on the downstream aspects of the system, the piping, the terminal units.

1038
01:38:54,180 --> 01:39:06,360
So this will require some detailed engineering analysis to determine how to address those challenges and how to do it in a cost-effective way that doesn't impact building occupants.

1039
01:39:10,120 --> 01:39:20,740
And the Bellar mansion has gas fired boilers for heating, but we felt that this, I'm not sure what happened with the table there, it's blocking some of the next.

1040
01:39:21,480 --> 01:39:30,140
But we felt that this, this was a little bit unique, and that it would be an ideal location for what's called a geothermal water source heat pump system.

1041
01:39:30,680 --> 01:39:35,600
So in comparison with an air source heat pump system that we just presented on the previous

1042
01:39:35,600 --> 01:39:41,940
slides, geothermal system is drawing its heat from the ground, which has a relatively stable

1043
01:39:41,940 --> 01:39:45,560
temperature of about 45 to 50 degrees Fahrenheit to year around.

1044
01:39:46,240 --> 01:39:50,840
So if you think about that in comparison to the outdoor air temperature in the winter, it's

1045
01:39:50,840 --> 01:39:53,020
a lot easier for it to draw heat from the ground.

1046
01:39:53,480 --> 01:39:55,920
So as a result, it's going to be a lot more efficient.

1047
01:39:55,920 --> 01:39:59,280
And we felt that that was ideal at this location.

1048
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:17,700
Because of the presence of the large field behind the mansion, which would allow for plenty of space to install such a system, it would produce the fewest greenhouse gas emissions compared to alternatives, requires the least maintenance and has no HVAC equipment visible to the public.

1049
01:40:20,650 --> 01:40:25,070
One more HVC measure we wanted to present was called energy recovery ventilation.

1050
01:40:25,650 --> 01:40:30,690
This would apply to the Bogeumnasium and Parks and Grounds office.

1051
01:40:31,570 --> 01:40:37,110
What this is doing is building where you have a constant supply of outside air and a constant

1052
01:40:37,110 --> 01:40:38,690
draw of exhaust air.

1053
01:40:39,290 --> 01:40:45,090
You would duct those two sources and install what you see here in energy recovery wheel

1054
01:40:45,090 --> 01:41:08,250
So that's one stream of air, the outside air is passing through in the opposite direction as the exhaust air and you're able to spin this wheel and then pre-heat or pre-cool the outside air also dehumidify or humidify the air as needed and this running this wheel uses very little energy so it's a good energy savings.

1055
01:41:09,910 --> 01:41:13,730
We also presented some building envelope measures.

1056
01:41:14,190 --> 01:41:17,190
Here's an example of one at City Hall.

1057
01:41:17,310 --> 01:41:24,310
We heard some comments that staff here have noticed heat.

1058
01:41:24,610 --> 01:41:29,110
Due to a solar heat gain coming in through windows on the south facing side of the building.

1059
01:41:29,470 --> 01:41:36,250
So a solution to that is this solar window film, which increases the,

1060
01:41:36,250 --> 01:41:47,830
Or I should say a decrease is the solar heat can coefficient of the window and also would make occupants more comfortable and reduce the glare on their computer monitors.

1061
01:41:51,390 --> 01:42:06,950
Now getting into the category for renewable energy we have installing on-site solar photovoltaic arrays and we identified five facilities where there's ample space and.

1062
01:42:06,950 --> 01:42:12,510
And then we feel that they would be excellent facilities for this technology.

1063
01:42:15,090 --> 01:42:22,390
First is buoy city hall, so we looked at doing both car port arrays that cover portions

1064
01:42:22,390 --> 01:42:25,630
of the parking lot and also a rooftop solar array.

1065
01:42:26,130 --> 01:42:30,790
And just to see what those look like, but these are screenshots from our model.

1066
01:42:32,250 --> 01:42:38,110
And also you can compare to the annual baseline energy consumption of this building, which

1067
01:42:38,110 --> 01:42:44,410
about 1,090,000 kilowatt hours, these two systems combined would produce about 300,000 kilowatt

1068
01:42:44,410 --> 01:42:48,150
hours, so a little less than a third of the total energy used by the facility.

1069
01:42:51,180 --> 01:42:53,080
Another one is the Buie Gymnasium.

1070
01:42:53,080 --> 01:43:01,380
This is a rooftop solar array that you can see the annual baseline consumption of 431,000 kilowatt

1071
01:43:01,380 --> 01:43:05,940
hours, and this system would produce about 320,000 kilowatt hours.

1072
01:43:07,500 --> 01:43:10,640
And I think there's just one more here, the Booey Senior Center.

1073
01:43:11,600 --> 01:43:15,740
This one, there's really a lot of space, especially in the parking lot for a good-sized

1074
01:43:15,740 --> 01:43:18,580
car port array, but also some roof-ups space.

1075
01:43:18,620 --> 01:43:24,140
You can see there's already an existing solar array there, but this would propose adding

1076
01:43:24,140 --> 01:43:32,440
some more solar, and you can see 300,000 KWH of baseline consumption, and there's enough

1077
01:43:32,440 --> 01:43:35,840
capacity to to more than offset that.

1078
01:43:38,980 --> 01:43:43,500
And lastly, we also looked at the fleet of city-owned

1079
01:43:43,500 --> 01:43:51,350
vehicles and looked at some options as far as replacing them with electric vehicles when

1080
01:43:52,080 --> 01:44:00,260
the vehicles reach the end of their life. So, vehicles that we analyzed for this study,

1081
01:44:00,640 --> 01:44:04,560
you can see an example of a few of the more common vehicles that are owned by the city

1082
01:44:04,560 --> 01:44:07,940
here and the proposed electric replacement.

1083
01:44:09,920 --> 01:44:20,040
So this would have a potential to reduce by 938 metric tons of CO2 emission or 47%.

1084
01:44:20,040 --> 01:44:25,320
We would also recommend developing and adopting a green fleet policy to guide staff and

1085
01:44:25,320 --> 01:44:31,480
making procurement decisions and also as you're adding electric vehicles, you have to

1086
01:44:31,480 --> 01:44:38,060
consider how and where to charge them. So look into installing electric vehicle, charging infrastructure

1087
01:44:38,840 --> 01:44:44,980
and when able seeking grant funding within some of the other proposed projects such as the

1088
01:44:44,980 --> 01:44:46,440
rooftop solar arrays.

1089
01:44:49,320 --> 01:44:52,220
That brings us to the end of our presentation. So thank you for your time.

1090
01:44:52,220 --> 01:44:55,080
If you have any questions, I can take that now.

1091
01:44:57,960 --> 01:44:59,960
Oh, this time of the...

1092
01:45:03,660 --> 01:45:29,980
Thank you. And thank you for the presentation. I was actually tracking with you. So I followed, I followed which we talked about, but I have some real general questions. So I was reading that the Maryland Climate Solutions now act of 2022 has very ambitious schools. So based on their ambition, what percentage of those goals are we looking to?

1093
01:45:30,000 --> 01:45:41,500
implement into our 2025 plan, 25, 20, 20, 25 on one plan, I guess that's where it is.

1094
01:45:42,200 --> 01:45:51,300
Yeah, so again, the first step is to start benchmarking the buildings and the city of

1095
01:45:51,300 --> 01:45:53,360
Buwi staff is already doing that.

1096
01:45:53,440 --> 01:45:59,580
We worked with them on kind of cuising the process of how they were doing that and helped

1097
01:45:59,580 --> 01:46:04,720
get that going. So they're a little ahead of the curve there. So that's good. And then

1098
01:46:04,720 --> 01:46:12,340
the first timeline, again, with regards to the BEPS, to me, is 2030. So, and that's going

1099
01:46:12,340 --> 01:46:18,640
to require some both electrification of heating systems and some energy efficiency upgrades

1100
01:46:18,640 --> 01:46:25,000
to meet that. The good news, as far as that site, UI, or energy use intensity,

1101
01:46:27,180 --> 01:46:29,140
goal, or beps

1102
01:46:29,140 --> 01:46:36,080
standard. Those can easily be met through the recommendations that we've provided in the report

1103
01:46:36,080 --> 01:46:43,160
just the low costs, no hanging fruit. So meeting that, the CIEW target is really no problem.

1104
01:46:44,000 --> 01:46:50,780
It's that electrification, or the net zero, or I should say, net direct emissions standard,

1105
01:46:51,540 --> 01:46:58,960
that both the City Hall and Canal Center are quite far from meeting that 2030 goal right now.

1106
01:46:59,140 --> 01:47:04,280
and where I was saying that it would, it would take some maybe some tough decisions as far as replacing

1107
01:47:04,280 --> 01:47:10,440
HVC systems before the end of their life. Those costs would have to be a way to against the cost of

1108
01:47:11,160 --> 01:47:18,940
those alternative compliance fees. Okay. Thank you for that. Did you want to add something? No, you

1109
01:47:18,940 --> 01:47:28,100
But, okay, so the other thing is, so the low-hanging fruit part is absolutely great because

1110
01:47:28,100 --> 01:47:30,380
there's some operational things that can happen.

1111
01:47:31,300 --> 01:47:40,680
But I think that as I think through 2030 goals, I know that come January there's a new administration

1112
01:47:41,200 --> 01:47:48,920
in Washington that's not going to be as friendly to those of us that know we have to consider

1113
01:47:48,920 --> 01:47:51,940
serve energy and two things differently.

1114
01:47:53,260 --> 01:48:01,740
So I saw capital improvements that were also a part of the strategy that may cost.

1115
01:48:02,220 --> 01:48:09,020
And it may be, well, number one, the state of Maryland doesn't have a lot of resources.

1116
01:48:09,020 --> 01:48:12,240
Although their goals are ambitious, they don't have a lot of resources.

1117
01:48:12,240 --> 01:48:17,500
We know they're operating in the deficit coming this coming fiscal year.

1118
01:48:17,500 --> 01:48:22,120
And the other thing is the federal grants may be cut back.

1119
01:48:23,320 --> 01:48:27,420
So what your thoughts around how do we move forward

1120
01:48:27,420 --> 01:48:30,800
in a deliberate way, but also in a way

1121
01:48:31,960 --> 01:48:36,620
that is mindful of funds that may have to be expended?

1122
01:48:38,340 --> 01:48:41,480
Yeah, it's entirely possible that the new administration

1123
01:48:41,480 --> 01:48:44,700
could cut some of the federal funding that gets filtered

1124
01:48:44,700 --> 01:48:46,220
down to the state level.

1125
01:48:47,880 --> 01:48:52,920
There's currently the 30% federal tax credit for solar.

1126
01:48:54,180 --> 01:48:56,000
I wouldn't be surprised if they canceled that.

1127
01:48:56,200 --> 01:48:57,620
If we see that go away.

1128
01:48:58,020 --> 01:49:04,640
But also just some of the programs as far as the utilities that give out rebates.

1129
01:49:06,880 --> 01:49:08,720
That's something that's currently out there.

1130
01:49:08,780 --> 01:49:15,540
And I know that the city of Boise staff has been working with BGE to get rebates for doing these lighting upgrades.

1131
01:49:15,540 --> 01:49:17,300
So they've been doing a great job of that.

1132
01:49:19,180 --> 01:49:21,980
So, I think taking advantage of what's out there,

1133
01:49:22,100 --> 01:49:24,780
the utility rebates, there's some grants

1134
01:49:24,780 --> 01:49:26,560
that are available at the state level,

1135
01:49:28,640 --> 01:49:31,520
but definitely some research is needed

1136
01:49:31,520 --> 01:49:34,400
in order to put out there and be able to take advantage

1137
01:49:34,400 --> 01:49:35,620
of as much of that.

1138
01:49:37,840 --> 01:49:41,100
All I'd do, and some of the other energy efficiency

1139
01:49:41,100 --> 01:49:42,780
studies we've been doing,

1140
01:49:43,240 --> 01:49:45,440
one of our recommendations has been to move

1141
01:49:45,540 --> 01:49:52,080
quickly for just that reason so that you can secure the funding before any funding

1142
01:49:52,080 --> 01:49:54,100
potential potentially gets canceled.

1143
01:49:55,020 --> 01:49:58,440
There's other sources that aren't linked to the federal government like Brian said

1144
01:49:58,440 --> 01:49:59,960
a lot of them are utility-based.

1145
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:28,060
But there's also financing programs or different types of ownership arrangements with say a solar photovoltaic provider where you don't actually, the city would not own the photovoltaic array, the provider would own it, but they would install on your building and then you get the benefit of the lowered EUI at the same time that they get the benefit of collecting renewable energy credits to sell those.

1146
01:50:28,060 --> 01:50:35,320
So, there's different funding vehicles out there that don't require direct outlay

1147
01:50:35,320 --> 01:50:45,120
a capital from the building owner, but that's sort of financing and cost measures.

1148
01:50:45,340 --> 01:50:50,020
We would look at if we were doing a full-blown individual building energy audit,

1149
01:50:50,280 --> 01:50:53,420
which I think would be the next step to accelerate the process.

1150
01:50:53,420 --> 01:51:00,300
Okay. Thank you very much. You have very good answers. I appreciate it. Thank you.

1151
01:51:00,520 --> 01:51:02,020
Any other questions?

1152
01:51:05,880 --> 01:51:06,320
Thank you.

1153
01:51:07,380 --> 01:51:13,360
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. A couple of questions. Some at the high level and some a bit more detail.

1154
01:51:14,240 --> 01:51:22,540
First of all, where do we stand, vis-à-vis the rest of those who are obligated to follow

1155
01:51:22,540 --> 01:51:23,760
this law?

1156
01:51:28,050 --> 01:51:34,010
Well, this is the first city we've done it for in Maryland, so I don't have the data set

1157
01:51:34,010 --> 01:51:46,090
the comparative, but what I do know is that when we do individual buildings, most of the

1158
01:51:46,090 --> 01:51:51,710
One of the downsides of the types of facilities loan is that there's only a few exemptions

1159
01:51:51,710 --> 01:51:57,830
from the net direct carbon emissions law, which are a K-12 schools and food prep services,

1160
01:51:57,930 --> 01:52:01,510
none of which were included in the city of Bowie.

1161
01:52:03,170 --> 01:52:09,070
I'm not sure where you would send in relation to other municipalities, but there are definitely

1162
01:52:09,070 --> 01:52:15,330
like Brian went through areas where you can make rapid and large significant improvements

1163
01:52:15,330 --> 01:52:20,330
towards meeting the goal for, say, city hall or the senior center or any of the other

1164
01:52:20,330 --> 01:52:24,310
facilities that were higher energy consumption list.

1165
01:52:25,170 --> 01:52:32,010
So I know on an individual basis it's very achievable, but we would have to do that

1166
01:52:32,010 --> 01:52:37,990
that energy audit in order to get actual costs attached to the energy savings.

1167
01:52:38,610 --> 01:52:45,110
And then that's that metric that will compare how feasible it is given your budget

1168
01:52:45,110 --> 01:52:48,110
and other funding sources that you might be able to explore.

1169
01:52:49,570 --> 01:52:53,030
So I think it's most people now.

1170
01:52:53,150 --> 01:52:56,350
I'm pretty keen on these sorts of things.

1171
01:52:56,350 --> 01:53:04,710
However, this is a pretty aggressive timeline and the notion that in a building of this vintage

1172
01:53:04,710 --> 01:53:11,490
that I would toss out perfectly good hardware such as furnaces that are sitting up on top of

1173
01:53:11,490 --> 01:53:17,710
my roof that are natural gas, which is a darn site better than coal and other pollutants.

1174
01:53:19,690 --> 01:53:24,030
That's a real concern for me, and I'm not sure what the cost are associated with that,

1175
01:53:24,030 --> 01:53:53,870
But, you know, I got my, my love at House, my first love at House, you know, the exterior air conditioner last like over 40 years. It was incredible. So the older equipment actually lasts longer and I understand that it doesn't necessarily make it good or efficient, but it eliminates the cost of replacement and I'm very concerned about trying to finance these, these replacement costs and throwing out what is perfectly good equipment.

1176
01:53:54,510 --> 01:54:01,030
I'm sure we'll have a lifespan that's probably only halfway through it's used for life before.

1177
01:54:02,310 --> 01:54:05,050
And I was somewhere we're tossing it off the roof.

1178
01:54:06,050 --> 01:54:08,390
So I am quite concerned about that.

1179
01:54:08,390 --> 01:54:11,370
I think the operational issues are great.

1180
01:54:12,110 --> 01:54:16,570
The one thing that does stand out to me is when I go into the men's room,

1181
01:54:16,730 --> 01:54:19,530
I like to have hot water to wash my hands,

1182
01:54:20,190 --> 01:54:21,070
even if it's the summertime.

1183
01:54:21,070 --> 01:54:26,070
time, and the notion that just because it's over 65 degrees that I no longer have to wash

1184
01:54:26,070 --> 01:54:33,790
my hands in hot water doesn't seem like the domestic hot water systems are separate from

1185
01:54:33,790 --> 01:54:35,890
the heating hot water systems. I see what you're saying.

1186
01:54:40,430 --> 01:54:42,290
That's good to know. But I do

1187
01:54:42,290 --> 01:54:50,290
think that there is some significant opportunity here that you've highlighted that can make

1188
01:54:50,290 --> 01:54:54,710
big difference and I'm a little surprised we weren't already, you know, taking advantage of

1189
01:54:54,710 --> 01:54:54,950
them.

1190
01:54:55,530 --> 01:54:58,090
So Kudos to you guys on that.

1191
01:54:58,870 --> 01:54:59,650
How close.

1192
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:09,980
This is a graduated process, right? So, you know, how close are we to hitting the mark on the first round?

1193
01:55:11,380 --> 01:55:23,960
And you know, what I'm going with this is that, you know, you know, Rome wasn't built in the day. And I'm not sure that we need to make all of the improvements on an accelerated timeline.

1194
01:55:23,960 --> 01:55:29,580
notwithstanding your point that there may be funding available, but the same time as Council

1195
01:55:29,580 --> 01:55:36,640
Monroe Rogers pointed out that stuff may be going away, leaving us with an empty bag

1196
01:55:37,340 --> 01:55:42,880
of money given there's no real federal support for it.

1197
01:55:44,100 --> 01:55:50,700
So to use City Hall as an example here, so City Hall would have to reach a net direct

1198
01:55:50,700 --> 01:56:00,140
emissions of 0.22 by 2030, it's currently at 2.0, so it's about roughly 10 times.

1199
01:56:00,820 --> 01:56:04,220
It's a very aggressive goal that the state of Maryland has said.

1200
01:56:04,720 --> 01:56:08,960
And you mentioned that there's a penalty for failure.

1201
01:56:09,920 --> 01:56:12,920
Electromagnet everybody failure is an option.

1202
01:56:13,840 --> 01:56:18,540
If failure doesn't hurt as much as success, right?

1203
01:56:18,540 --> 01:56:28,820
I can marathon and kill myself and not live to see the next day or I could do a 5k and be a survivor.

1204
01:56:30,460 --> 01:56:37,700
So what's the what's the what's the what's the the the sword that's hanging over my head.

1205
01:56:37,700 --> 01:56:46,460
Yes, so for City Hall, so the way that the fees work is that you have that 2030 through 2034

1206
01:56:46,460 --> 01:56:53,300
standard and then within those five years it will increase for an inflation adjustment. But just

1207
01:56:53,300 --> 01:57:03,220
that 2030 with the status quo, it would be an annual fee of $47,216. That's our estimate. And if

1208
01:57:03,220 --> 01:57:07,560
to implement the recommendations in our report.

1209
01:57:08,100 --> 01:57:12,140
According to the timeline, we gave, which is not replacing anything before the end of its lifespan.

1210
01:57:12,800 --> 01:57:18,320
That would bring it down to about $12,986 in that first year.

1211
01:57:19,900 --> 01:57:27,440
So those fees would rise every year, like $49,020,030,050,020,022,

1212
01:57:27,680 --> 01:57:30,240
then you get a bid jump in 2035.

1213
01:57:30,240 --> 01:57:37,240
Again, these are status quo numbers, not, you know, hopefully you guys will take all of our recommendations on the account and

1214
01:57:37,980 --> 01:57:41,260
but that's essentially what you're looking at or if magnitude.

1215
01:57:41,580 --> 01:57:52,260
So with that in mind, we presently have a solar array that from which two which we plan to add or we're going to have additional capacity.

1216
01:57:53,160 --> 01:57:55,440
How does that play in?

1217
01:57:56,460 --> 01:57:59,200
Unfortunately, being off sites, it does not help.

1218
01:58:00,900 --> 01:58:04,260
So the state is looking only at site EUI.

1219
01:58:06,240 --> 01:58:09,440
So off site solar arrays to not help with that.

1220
01:58:10,560 --> 01:58:10,820
All right.

1221
01:58:10,960 --> 01:58:12,620
There's an help that we own that property.

1222
01:58:13,660 --> 01:58:15,460
Should I move city hall there?

1223
01:58:16,100 --> 01:58:16,120
Yes.

1224
01:58:17,560 --> 01:58:20,060
It would help if you move city hall there.

1225
01:58:20,560 --> 01:58:24,920
But what would help more is if we installed more solar panels here.

1226
01:58:24,920 --> 01:58:30,280
And what we typically notice, and like Brian was showing for at least that was a senior center,

1227
01:58:30,780 --> 01:58:35,680
It was up to, it was a significant portion up to like 30% of the total energies.

1228
01:58:36,320 --> 01:58:42,080
When we do typical office buildings say in Midtown, DC, you don't get anywhere near those

1229
01:58:42,080 --> 01:58:42,400
numbers.

1230
01:58:42,600 --> 01:58:45,980
You get somewhere between three and five percent if you're lucky.

1231
01:58:47,000 --> 01:58:50,780
Just because of the nature, the aspect ratio, the buildings are lower and they're wider.

1232
01:58:50,780 --> 01:58:55,560
that gives us more surface area, which is what photovoltaics need to work.

1233
01:58:56,580 --> 01:59:01,620
So having that off-site, and then Brian was saying, with the EUI, that's a site, energy

1234
01:59:01,620 --> 01:59:02,280
use intensity.

1235
01:59:02,340 --> 01:59:05,440
That's what you're building, electric meter is saying.

1236
01:59:06,040 --> 01:59:12,540
So having the solar panels off-site is good for the towns over all goals, but not for the

1237
01:59:12,540 --> 01:59:16,720
Maryland state, beps, rules, and how they're going to score you.

1238
01:59:16,720 --> 01:59:22,780
have there been any amendments or changes to this to these rules so far?

1239
01:59:23,520 --> 01:59:29,680
There was one round. There was a proposed legislation that was put out a year prior to this.

1240
01:59:29,940 --> 01:59:35,260
And then they got a lot of commentary back. And then they went and took some of the commentary.

1241
01:59:35,620 --> 01:59:41,620
And now this is the revised law set that came out of that process.

1242
01:59:41,620 --> 01:59:59,500
It sounds to me that it would be hoove us to get in touch with our state legislators and perhaps some of our lobbyists in some other similar situated municipalities for a general relief and be specific relief with regard to the

1243
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:07,980
A clickability of solar arrays that we have already pursued. I mean, I feel like here we are having

1244
02:00:07,980 --> 02:00:16,000
done Yomans work to reduce our footprint so far. And someone who's come in and saying, oh, yeah, well,

1245
02:00:16,020 --> 02:00:25,180
all that doesn't count. We got a new set of standards, and we exclude all that you've done. And

1246
02:00:25,180 --> 02:00:33,820
have we find ourselves, you know, kind of being penalized for that. I mean, that property could have

1247
02:00:33,820 --> 02:00:38,880
been sold and there was expense doing that. There was opportunity cost associated with it,

1248
02:00:39,220 --> 02:00:46,120
but we are as a city committed and to this sort of thing. But I'm afraid that this is looking

1249
02:00:46,120 --> 02:00:52,080
like it's a pretty onerous burden on some of these things. On others, no issues, I think there are things

1250
02:00:52,080 --> 02:01:17,580
We can move forward on the heat pumps on the, sorry, the geothermal, not the heat pumps, but the geothermal, we may have to take a look with that piece of property, because there may be some concerns up there with regard to historic nature of the property.

1251
02:01:17,580 --> 02:01:36,080
There certainly would have been outbuildings and other structures that were present that may not be visible presently on the surface that might be adversely impacted by, you know, putting, you know, 40 bore holes to run, you know, cooling slash heating pipes. I know they'd be vertical.

1252
02:01:37,200 --> 02:01:42,960
We have some pretty open ground there. It could be horizontal as well, but I would expect we would do vertical on that.

1253
02:01:42,960 --> 02:01:52,360
So I do have some concerns about that, the tempting that just seems like low-hanging fruit,

1254
02:01:52,940 --> 02:01:56,720
but I am really concerned about the cost.

1255
02:01:56,800 --> 02:02:03,280
Any idea would a new unit upon top of this building would cost me for being ballpark?

1256
02:02:03,420 --> 02:02:06,000
I'm not going to ask you to deliver at that price, but.

1257
02:02:07,800 --> 02:02:12,360
And that's one of the reasons why we recommend getting a professional cost estimator.

1258
02:02:12,560 --> 02:02:16,400
So when we do our analysis, we're generally aware of like the ballpark.

1259
02:02:16,960 --> 02:02:23,320
So a new rooftop unit, and I would say if it's like a 20-ton unit, probably in the range

1260
02:02:23,320 --> 02:02:30,320
of $50,000, but given the rate of inflation over the last few years, that number changes

1261
02:02:30,320 --> 02:02:34,600
so fast that it's hard for us to keep up with it, because when we're doing our technical

1262
02:02:34,600 --> 02:02:40,500
analysis, we'll bring in a cost estimator to give us those kinds of prices. But even

1263
02:02:40,500 --> 02:02:44,900
they're struggling to keep up with how much stuff costs. And often times a lot of the cost

1264
02:02:44,900 --> 02:02:51,140
isn't necessarily just how much in dollars, but how long is it going to take. So we're saying

1265
02:02:51,140 --> 02:02:58,620
to secure funding ASAP, a lot of a bleed times we're seeing for stuff that is controlled with

1266
02:02:58,620 --> 02:03:03,680
of the computer ships is now getting over a year out, maybe even a year and a half, before

1267
02:03:03,680 --> 02:03:04,840
they can even get it here.

1268
02:03:05,420 --> 02:03:11,260
So when you start working back from this timeline, you're going to need energy audit and

1269
02:03:11,260 --> 02:03:15,640
engineers to design the thing and the contractor to buy it and place the order to get

1270
02:03:15,640 --> 02:03:16,140
it in.

1271
02:03:16,320 --> 02:03:21,960
So that process by itself can take a year and then another year and a half on top of that,

1272
02:03:21,980 --> 02:03:25,320
we're getting into that timeline.

1273
02:03:25,320 --> 02:03:36,480
But shifting over to the electric vehicles of which I've been a big proponent and all of my in a loved driving mind, so that's great.

1274
02:03:37,320 --> 02:03:39,040
But at the trash truck level,

1275
02:03:41,960 --> 02:03:45,320
these, I mean, I know our current trucks run about a hundred thousand bucks.

1276
02:03:47,240 --> 02:03:52,780
And an electrified version, it's got to be half main bucks, right?

1277
02:03:52,780 --> 02:04:04,800
probably something in that range, but, again, that's another study that you would have to do so you could understand the costs versus the benefits of reducing the fuel consumption.

1278
02:04:06,980 --> 02:04:09,020
That's not part of the bets though, right?

1279
02:04:09,600 --> 02:04:12,880
That was just part of the report that we were asked to analyze.

1280
02:04:13,340 --> 02:04:18,540
So you're not going to be graded by the state of Maryland on your vehicle fleet.

1281
02:04:18,540 --> 02:04:24,900
So, that's a different consideration than trying to meet at some time like.

1282
02:04:26,920 --> 02:04:27,680
Well, thank you much.

1283
02:04:27,840 --> 02:04:37,840
I very much appreciate your work on this and I continue to be quite concerned about the fiscal issues.

1284
02:04:39,200 --> 02:04:46,880
And, you know, we'll obviously turn the staff to try and figure out the cost benefit on some of these things and presumably with your assistance on that.

1285
02:04:46,880 --> 02:04:53,880
because this is a little concerning that we could try and spin it around in this kind of time frame.

1286
02:04:54,820 --> 02:04:55,020
Thank you.

1287
02:04:55,340 --> 02:04:55,540
Thanks.

1288
02:04:57,710 --> 02:04:59,470
Any other council members, any questions?

1289
02:05:01,780 --> 02:05:14,160
Thank you, Mayor. I'll turn off by apologizing. I always wear my engineering hat, so I just a quick comment.

1290
02:05:14,860 --> 02:05:22,820
Your discussion about the mansion and the heat system change over your reference to the ground always being 40 degrees.

1291
02:05:22,820 --> 02:05:32,540
and I was reminded in Thermal and Fluid, the QDOT equals M.DOT CDL to T, you really can't

1292
02:05:32,540 --> 02:05:37,560
get anything warmer than the 40 degrees if that's your source of stuff, but I'd be interested

1293
02:05:37,560 --> 02:05:45,420
to see how that system actually worked, but that's not what the question I have concerns

1294
02:05:45,420 --> 02:05:49,200
you have a statement in here when you talk about operational changes, but it says there

1295
02:05:49,200 --> 02:05:57,400
be a designated individual and sure that they are continually following it to ensure persistence

1296
02:05:57,400 --> 02:05:59,780
of savings through future years.

1297
02:05:59,920 --> 02:06:02,880
You talk about control systems for the different things.

1298
02:06:03,060 --> 02:06:09,220
In this one particular, it's the hot water heating systems for the Jim and Bellar Manchin.

1299
02:06:09,560 --> 02:06:18,360
But I always think part of any new system we put in would have robust control systems to

1300
02:06:18,360 --> 02:06:25,300
program, and it's set for automatic, and you only bring somebody into service it when there's a problem.

1301
02:06:26,260 --> 02:06:33,720
So you wouldn't need, in my mind, someone to be diligent, except for making sure that the maintenance that is

1302
02:06:33,720 --> 02:06:38,160
occurs is in line with what the design parameters are in a system.

1303
02:06:38,300 --> 02:06:40,400
Am I missing something with that suggestion?

1304
02:06:41,440 --> 02:06:45,620
Well, what we meant by that is that things can always be overwritten.

1305
02:06:45,620 --> 02:07:02,600
And sometimes it's easier to just, once again, return things to the way that things were done before and just run the, run the systems 24 hours a day so that it's always 72 to 74 degrees in this space and nobody's ever going to complain and that would be the easy way of doing things.

1306
02:07:04,380 --> 02:07:09,940
But, you know, it's not the efficient way, it's not the cost savings way of doing things.

1307
02:07:10,540 --> 02:07:18,260
So, our point there was just to say that, you know, we do recommend that somebody ensures

1308
02:07:18,260 --> 02:07:23,560
that these things are followed through, and it's not just, you know, someone takes a short

1309
02:07:23,560 --> 02:07:29,100
cut a year or two years from now, and then all the savings that we thought we had are now lost.

1310
02:07:29,720 --> 02:07:30,980
Yeah, I appreciate that.

1311
02:07:31,200 --> 02:07:37,180
I always think though that my background is a facility engineering in the nuclear industry,

1312
02:07:37,180 --> 02:07:41,620
And we had robust controls over how things were going on.

1313
02:07:41,840 --> 02:07:44,000
I would think, I felt the work here,

1314
02:07:44,280 --> 02:07:45,840
we'd have a similar type of approach.

1315
02:07:46,920 --> 02:07:49,380
But I will throw this story and it's kind of cute.

1316
02:07:50,180 --> 02:07:54,160
The place I worked at in Gacyberg was built in 65, 67-time frame.

1317
02:07:54,940 --> 02:07:57,760
And back then, there was no energy issue.

1318
02:07:58,660 --> 02:08:01,680
So they minimized the way things were designed.

1319
02:08:01,980 --> 02:08:06,600
And the way that I was in, there was a thermostat that

1320
02:08:06,600 --> 02:08:15,060
the temperature in one center office is seven. And it happened to be for a period of two

1321
02:08:15,060 --> 02:08:23,320
years the occupant of there of that room that had the thermostat always was cold. So he brought

1322
02:08:23,320 --> 02:08:30,420
a space heater in. So his office was extremely warm, which caused the thermostat to kick back down

1323
02:08:30,420 --> 02:08:38,080
and the six adjacent offices were freezing because the thermostat, the design, the design failure,

1324
02:08:38,300 --> 02:08:41,440
the system, they got rid of it and they ended up with a control system that was separate.

1325
02:08:42,380 --> 02:08:50,980
But to me, once we have a robust control system, and in that control line should be the capability

1326
02:08:50,980 --> 02:08:59,360
to allow things to change for a short period of time, specified time. Not all we want the thing to be

1327
02:08:59,360 --> 02:09:06,600
24-7, but now okay we've got a meeting at night normally systems down so you punch in a meeting

1328
02:09:06,600 --> 02:09:13,440
and it stays effective for the cooling or heating for the duration and it goes back to the normal

1329
02:09:13,440 --> 02:09:13,860
program.

1330
02:09:14,140 --> 02:09:19,140
I haven't kind of default timer that drops out so that you don't have the possibility of someone

1331
02:09:19,140 --> 02:09:23,700
in sitting there and changing it, it should be controlled automatic like that.

1332
02:09:25,240 --> 02:09:28,180
I'm very familiar with energy efficiency.

1333
02:09:28,600 --> 02:09:31,000
Yes, you have a class associated with it.

1334
02:09:31,160 --> 02:09:34,260
But over a long period of time, you can realize the savings

1335
02:09:34,260 --> 02:09:37,100
that pays for that upgrade that you do.

1336
02:09:37,860 --> 02:09:41,360
I'm not aware of this analogous approach

1337
02:09:41,360 --> 02:09:46,120
when it comes to targeting CO2 emissions and the like.

1338
02:09:46,660 --> 02:09:49,480
I don't see how you necessarily

1339
02:09:49,480 --> 02:09:52,680
can realize a return in your investment

1340
02:09:52,680 --> 02:09:59,800
It seems to me that those things are implemented for CO2 emissions in life.

1341
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:05,380
Are it costs that are not recoverable over period time? Am I missing something on that or?

1342
02:10:07,060 --> 02:10:11,960
No, you're pretty accurate on that. I mean, it really depends on the cost difference between

1343
02:10:11,960 --> 02:10:17,200
electricity versus natural gas. It can vary a lot by area. There are some areas that have

1344
02:10:17,200 --> 02:10:22,680
cheap electricity and expensive gas, where electrification makes a lot of sense in another area.

1345
02:10:22,840 --> 02:10:28,800
It's the opposite. So, yeah, you're exactly right in saying that energy efficiency typically

1346
02:10:28,800 --> 02:10:33,800
It has savings associated with it, but greenhouse gap emissions, it might, it might not.

1347
02:10:34,920 --> 02:10:35,520
You're in.

1348
02:10:35,680 --> 02:10:39,800
You know, I was going to add that's part of why the state implemented that

1349
02:10:39,800 --> 02:10:44,220
BEPS program to begin with it, put those penalties on there.

1350
02:10:45,620 --> 02:10:52,020
When we do that, more in-depth financial analysis, those penalties are a cost.

1351
02:10:52,740 --> 02:10:55,400
So it goes into the cost column and it gets added to it.

1352
02:10:55,400 --> 02:11:02,920
So, Maryland's hope is that this encourages the different individual buildings and municipalities

1353
02:11:02,920 --> 02:11:06,520
to bring that down by imposing an artificial cost.

1354
02:11:06,940 --> 02:11:10,500
So that helps get to some payback in some cases.

1355
02:11:11,100 --> 02:11:16,980
We've done Washington DC as a similar, but functionally different kind of regulation at the same

1356
02:11:16,980 --> 02:11:17,480
time.

1357
02:11:17,900 --> 02:11:24,300
And we've done studies on buildings where the recommended fix is $10 million and the fine

1358
02:11:24,300 --> 02:11:30,900
going to be $1 million. So it really is on a case-by-case basis. But that's what it

1359
02:11:30,900 --> 02:11:31,960
the intent is there.

1360
02:11:34,200 --> 02:11:39,920
I agree with my colleague. It's frustrating. We years ago, when I

1361
02:11:39,920 --> 02:11:44,960
do this, we've gone in the council of 10, years ago, we looked at the right solar right down

1362
02:11:44,960 --> 02:11:49,820
in the Indian property. And to sit there and say we don't get any credit for taking that initiative

1363
02:11:49,820 --> 02:11:51,740
is troubling and disappointing.

1364
02:11:54,780 --> 02:12:02,120
Are any of these initiatives directed at non-governmental entities or is it strictly for governments

1365
02:12:02,120 --> 02:12:03,340
to implement?

1366
02:12:04,660 --> 02:12:05,820
Does industry have to do it?

1367
02:12:05,840 --> 02:12:07,560
Does commercial have to do it?

1368
02:12:07,760 --> 02:12:09,540
Do homeowners have to do it?

1369
02:12:10,340 --> 02:12:10,400
Yeah.

1370
02:12:10,400 --> 02:12:17,580
The Maryland Veps regulation applies to all commercial government buildings in the states over

1371
02:12:17,580 --> 02:12:26,360
35,000 square feet. The only exceptions are restaurants and public, not just public, but K through 12 schools, public instruments.

1372
02:12:26,740 --> 02:12:28,860
You mentioned that earlier. Okay.

1373
02:12:29,880 --> 02:12:31,160
That answers that one.

1374
02:12:33,860 --> 02:12:42,900
Are there, you were recommending solar panels arrays out like in the parking lot, what have you, but it kind of is hit or miss.

1375
02:12:43,640 --> 02:12:46,920
Are there trade offs if we were to put more

1376
02:12:47,640 --> 02:12:53,400
floor panels over parking the spots as far as the

1377
02:12:53,400 --> 02:12:54,540
heat island effect?

1378
02:12:55,500 --> 02:12:59,020
Is that considered, or is it, they do

1379
02:12:59,020 --> 02:13:01,500
totally separate isolated considerations?

1380
02:13:05,440 --> 02:13:09,080
I think there could be some small impacts on the heat island effect.

1381
02:13:09,840 --> 02:13:15,820
Certainly any time you're putting more shade over

1382
02:13:15,820 --> 02:13:21,600
help out with the heat on, in fact. I think the size of the arrays that we do up here

1383
02:13:21,600 --> 02:13:28,620
are a little small to have much of an impact on that. You know, we were limited by trying to avoid

1384
02:13:28,620 --> 02:13:33,740
places that are shaded by trees, so the size of the arrays are not really that significant.

1385
02:13:34,720 --> 02:13:39,480
Okay. Well I appreciate that. Thank you for your presentation. I could say too that the rooftop arrays

1386
02:13:39,480 --> 02:13:45,680
do reduce the solar heat incoming to the building that reduces the amount of cooling that's required

1387
02:13:45,680 --> 02:13:52,500
at the same time. So it's got a double effect. It's not huge, but when we're doing these energy

1388
02:13:52,500 --> 02:13:58,400
analyses, there's rarely ever a silver bullet solution that will solve all your problems.

1389
02:13:58,940 --> 02:14:05,680
It's the accumulation of several smaller measures that all add up. That is one of them that

1390
02:14:05,680 --> 02:14:11,080
reduced solar incoming heat load to the roof of individual buildings where you put it.

1391
02:14:11,080 --> 02:14:16,580
Thank you. Thank you, mayor. Thank you. Any other questions from any other council member?

1392
02:14:20,110 --> 02:14:25,470
Okay, well, thank you so very much. Is there any action at this time?

1393
02:14:30,990 --> 02:14:34,050
No motions. Okay, thank you very much.

1394
02:14:34,310 --> 02:14:35,010
Thank you.

1395
02:14:36,870 --> 02:14:38,390
All of them, success,

1396
02:14:40,580 --> 02:14:45,120
success, success, success, success, success, success, success, success.

1397
02:14:45,900 --> 02:14:48,740
And yes, the continued, continued to be a little tough for them.

1398
02:14:49,640 --> 02:14:49,960
Okay.

1399
02:14:51,140 --> 02:14:52,260
I said, good point.

1400
02:14:52,840 --> 02:14:57,600
The city manager, could you continue to have a staff looking into it as you develop

1401
02:14:57,600 --> 02:14:59,380
even more data coming back for?

1402
02:14:59,660 --> 02:14:59,900
Well,

1403
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:10,280
Ms. Mayor, that's good point. We intend to look at the results of the study and in the budget process

1404
02:15:10,280 --> 02:15:19,060
to come and incorporate what we can't afford to incorporate and take it from there. So you'll see

1405
02:15:19,060 --> 02:15:23,380
some of these things there and those that we can afford without increasing the factory.

1406
02:15:24,820 --> 02:15:35,780
Thank you, City of Aging. At this time we're moving on to item C, economic development committee recommendations on attracting restaurants.

1407
02:15:40,300 --> 02:15:40,620
Good evening.

1408
02:15:41,100 --> 02:15:46,260
Good evening. Mayor Adams Mayor, Protem, Wolf Lee and Council members.

1409
02:15:47,580 --> 02:15:56,100
I have joined with me, Billy Lewis, who was a part of our work group and is quite timely that we're here since earlier we heard about pop eyes.

1410
02:15:56,100 --> 02:16:02,500
One of the things that I wanted to mention is that one of the common themes in the survey that was going to

1411
02:16:02,500 --> 02:16:10,800
induct in the 2023 was that who we city residents wanted high quality restaurants, not a

1412
02:16:11,840 --> 02:16:18,400
chicken restaurant. I guess you can say they're restaurant, but a fast food. We already have

1413
02:16:19,780 --> 02:16:25,400
canes, Chick-fil-A, and now apparently a pie pie that will be in the city of Boe.

1414
02:16:25,900 --> 02:16:33,300
As a result of the survey, we had a work group that was formed with five members, including

1415
02:16:33,300 --> 02:16:39,260
Billy Lewis, and some of the things that we looked at was the fact that in October of 2023,

1416
02:16:39,920 --> 02:16:46,020
there was a panel discussion featuring retail property owners, economic development professionals,

1417
02:16:46,020 --> 02:16:52,780
and elected officials to discuss the state of retail in the city of buoy, among the panelist

1418
02:16:52,780 --> 02:17:00,020
was Larry Pence, he's the executive director of business development in Precious County for

1419
02:17:00,020 --> 02:17:08,400
economic development corporation. Zena Redfirm of the Washington Prime Group, which is the buoy's

1420
02:17:08,400 --> 02:17:13,820
town center. So the working group actually reached back out. So what I'm going to do is to go over

1421
02:17:13,820 --> 02:17:18,840
some of the things that we found and then Billy is going to say it's suggestions.

1422
02:17:20,000 --> 02:17:25,220
One common thing that was mentioned was the fact of demographics that since Boogey is

1423
02:17:25,220 --> 02:17:30,660
competing with surrounding areas, demographics must be compatible with other locations.

1424
02:17:31,400 --> 02:17:33,640
They're looking for high and restaurants.

1425
02:17:34,260 --> 02:17:37,140
You have to have a certain high income and density.

1426
02:17:37,820 --> 02:17:41,880
I like to point out as a realtor and I'm sorry I didn't say who I am.

1427
02:17:41,880 --> 02:17:48,800
along the muckle and I'm the chair of the Bowie Economic Development, but as a realtor,

1428
02:17:49,140 --> 02:17:56,060
I want to note that you have Melford, Mill Branch, and South Lake. Recently, I sold

1429
02:17:56,060 --> 02:18:04,800
a home for 725,000. That was a town hall. That particular family came from elk rich. One

1430
02:18:04,800 --> 02:18:13,540
things they asked me was, okay, let's celebrate. Where's a nice restaurant in our new city that we

1431
02:18:13,540 --> 02:18:23,540
moved to that we can go to. And they didn't think about Keynes or Popeyes or Chick-fil-A. They actually

1432
02:18:23,540 --> 02:18:30,500
wanted us to go to sit down at a restaurant. And the choice is quite frankly, we're limited. We had to look

1433
02:18:30,500 --> 02:18:37,460
to our north. It was like, oh, wow, we have bonafish grill to choose from. We have farmhouse

1434
02:18:37,460 --> 02:18:44,640
or we can go south to brandy wine. And that's a problem. I mean, I have another client who's going

1435
02:18:44,640 --> 02:18:56,260
to be purchasing for $696,000 in milk for it, who's moving from Bosf. Once again, wondering what

1436
02:18:56,260 --> 02:18:58,120
that down restaurants are nearby.

1437
02:18:58,920 --> 02:19:00,840
So when they say that they're looking for demographics,

1438
02:19:00,980 --> 02:19:05,200
if a person could afford a $700,000 town home,

1439
02:19:05,520 --> 02:19:08,260
and in South Lake, a million dollar,

1440
02:19:08,460 --> 02:19:12,300
single family, clearly, they can afford more

1441
02:19:12,300 --> 02:19:13,560
than fried chicken.

1442
02:19:15,120 --> 02:19:17,180
Next would be the retail mix.

1443
02:19:17,720 --> 02:19:20,460
Also with restaurants they're looking at

1444
02:19:20,460 --> 02:19:23,440
the mix of retail, what type of retail,

1445
02:19:23,440 --> 02:19:32,220
not just nail salines, for example, as being considered retail, they want higher end retail.

1446
02:19:33,100 --> 02:19:39,460
Now, with existing restaurants, the performance of existing restaurants certainly will indicate

1447
02:19:39,460 --> 02:19:44,200
to a new restaurant if they're successful, then I can move in and be successful.

1448
02:19:44,980 --> 02:19:50,940
But in addition to that, we should look at home grown restaurants, not necessarily just chains, but entrepreneurs.

1449
02:19:50,940 --> 02:19:58,420
I mean, you have, of course, rubies, their local grown restaurants, and I'm sure it is others as well.

1450
02:19:59,140 --> 02:19:59,460
Density.

1451
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:17,420
One thing that came out of this was that daytime population, you're looking at one table turn at lunch, and two table turns at dinner, and restaurants need approximately 500 diurners per week to be profitable, and that's assuming that they're open to six days a week.

1452
02:20:17,780 --> 02:20:22,920
Now, of course, Chick-fil-A, they can close on Sunday, obviously, because they're very popular.

1453
02:20:23,960 --> 02:20:29,280
As far as the economic environment, we already mentioned or heard about inflation, so clearly

1454
02:20:29,280 --> 02:20:35,820
people are looking at their pocket book and saying, can I afford to go out to a fine

1455
02:20:35,820 --> 02:20:36,460
dining restaurant?

1456
02:20:36,800 --> 02:20:45,600
But clearly when you look around, if they can afford to go to a natalist croft and self-to-branding

1457
02:20:45,600 --> 02:20:51,460
wine, and quite frankly, even over to the Woodmore Town Center, I recently was over

1458
02:20:51,460 --> 02:20:57,980
are celebrating my birthday and we went to Copper Canyon and had to thank didn't say reservations

1459
02:20:57,980 --> 02:21:04,000
because people were lined up out the door to go to Copper Canyon on a Thursday evening.

1460
02:21:04,620 --> 02:21:08,660
So if they can go there, there's no reason why they can't come to Booy.

1461
02:21:09,340 --> 02:21:15,860
Another thing that was mentioned was permitting that this continues to be an issue as far as

1462
02:21:15,860 --> 02:21:21,510
lengthy and compressing permitting process. In some cases, some of these

1463
02:21:21,840 --> 02:21:28,060
architects are charging an additional 25 to 30% premium in design and

1464
02:21:28,060 --> 02:21:31,940
consulting fees because of the length of time that it takes to get to

1465
02:21:31,940 --> 02:21:38,550
permitting with French George's County versus other areas. Lastly, as far as

1466
02:21:38,550 --> 02:21:47,950
quality improvement, if boy residents are driving 10, 15 miles just to find a quality

1467
02:21:47,950 --> 02:21:53,410
restaurant. In some cases, people are driving to Virginia as opposed to standing in

1468
02:21:53,410 --> 02:21:58,210
the city because of just not having any options. So next up, we're going to have Billy

1469
02:21:58,210 --> 02:22:01,070
Lewis to go over the recommendations.

1470
02:22:04,270 --> 02:22:08,830
Thank you very much and good evening, Mr. Mayor and

1471
02:22:08,830 --> 02:22:16,090
Council members. I'm Billy Lewis. I'm a member of the working group who looked at the restaurant

1472
02:22:16,090 --> 02:22:23,430
issue in the city of Bowie and I've been a resident of Bowie for 25 years and I've been hearing

1473
02:22:23,430 --> 02:22:31,570
about this for a long time and I'm sure our council members have also and the complaint is that

1474
02:22:31,570 --> 02:22:33,390
We don't have five timing.

1475
02:22:34,810 --> 02:22:43,430
We just like the chairperson said, if we want to celebrate anything, we've got to go outside

1476
02:22:43,430 --> 02:22:43,990
of Bowie.

1477
02:22:44,630 --> 02:22:49,310
That's the bottom line, and that's the concern that the residents here are expressing.

1478
02:22:50,170 --> 02:22:55,610
And in light of that, we made several recommendations, all right, we made seven recommendations,

1479
02:22:55,610 --> 02:23:00,030
And we have which are related to the permitting process.

1480
02:23:01,110 --> 02:23:06,850
That is a major issue that has been expressed by retailers and restauranters like.

1481
02:23:08,510 --> 02:23:17,790
And the other recommendations relate to, we within the city and restaurants within the

1482
02:23:17,790 --> 02:23:22,990
city have to improve our game, the better service, better quality.

1483
02:23:23,650 --> 02:23:24,890
That's what we're looking for.

1484
02:23:24,890 --> 02:23:32,890
So, the recommendations are follows for those of us who want to improve our

1485
02:23:35,050 --> 02:23:40,950
restaurants, our services. Well, we need to improve the workforce. We need to improve

1486
02:23:40,950 --> 02:23:46,470
the quality of service that's provided to the residents here. All right. So, how do we do that?

1487
02:23:46,650 --> 02:23:53,130
And the recommendation really is to connect the existing restaurants to resources and

1488
02:23:53,130 --> 02:23:59,950
organization that could help, such as the Employer Prince George's County, that is a program

1489
02:23:59,950 --> 02:24:06,950
that could improve the quality of service that we get and the workforce itself.

1490
02:24:07,530 --> 02:24:07,690
All right.

1491
02:24:07,870 --> 02:24:12,410
Customer service is very important and I think the residents are looking for that.

1492
02:24:12,910 --> 02:24:21,170
The second one is the fostering and the environment whereby instead of the residents here

1493
02:24:21,170 --> 02:24:27,770
going to like the chairperson was saying, going up north to an abolition or a water chapel.

1494
02:24:28,870 --> 02:24:36,070
And if we were to promote the rest of that we do have within the city of Bowie, that would

1495
02:24:36,070 --> 02:24:36,610
be great.

1496
02:24:36,810 --> 02:24:42,530
So foster environment that encourages residents to support existing rest of it.

1497
02:24:42,950 --> 02:24:44,890
And how do we do that?

1498
02:24:45,010 --> 02:24:49,770
We have there's a variety of tools that we could use one of them is promoting it through

1499
02:24:49,770 --> 02:24:57,190
we, there's a variety of ways of promoting different restaurants that we have here.

1500
02:24:57,830 --> 02:24:59,530
So that's the second recommendation.

1501
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:07,160
Another recommendation is creating a list and maintaining a list of second-general, generation

1502
02:25:07,160 --> 02:25:14,200
restaurant spaces, right? So if you want to open up a new restaurant, if you pay an existing

1503
02:25:14,200 --> 02:25:23,280
restaurant was already there. So if we have a list that we could maintain and provide that

1504
02:25:23,280 --> 02:25:31,660
to assist the respirators once to come within the city. That would be great. That would be an

1505
02:25:31,660 --> 02:25:42,540
expense that they won't have to occur. The other one is to advocate for zoning changes,

1506
02:25:42,880 --> 02:25:49,050
like the chairperson was talking about, you know, density is a big deal of rooftop and that's

1507
02:25:49,050 --> 02:25:58,170
something that we've learned that organizations look for, right?

1508
02:25:58,310 --> 02:25:59,650
They look, they look in for density.

1509
02:25:59,710 --> 02:26:03,230
They want to make sure that they make money when they come into the city.

1510
02:26:04,070 --> 02:26:10,010
And one of the things that we're asking is that you look at the advocate for zoning.

1511
02:26:10,330 --> 02:26:12,190
Zoning is a big deal.

1512
02:26:13,570 --> 02:26:17,450
That would support the zoning with support, residential development.

1513
02:26:17,450 --> 02:26:26,030
And that way, that would increase our density and at different locations, this location,

1514
02:26:26,530 --> 02:26:29,630
you know, around Bowie Town Center would be a perfect one, right?

1515
02:26:30,010 --> 02:26:31,810
So zoning is key.

1516
02:26:32,990 --> 02:26:41,510
So if we could advocate for that, I'd go, that's a tough road to ahead, but that's a recommendation.

1517
02:26:41,510 --> 02:26:52,490
All right, so the other thing that we talked about really relates to the permitting process.

1518
02:26:54,370 --> 02:27:00,270
And I know there's a role in the city, the city, but we already have a person in a role

1519
02:27:00,270 --> 02:27:10,170
that assists the different retailers in the permitting process and we're asking that

1520
02:27:11,270 --> 02:27:20,070
well if we need to increase support for that branch within the city of Bowie that would be great

1521
02:27:20,070 --> 02:27:23,970
Because if we have that role,

1522
02:27:25,990 --> 02:27:31,490
that responsibility could be enhanced, because a lot of

1523
02:27:31,490 --> 02:27:37,750
retail sites are complaining that they have issues navigating the permanent process

1524
02:27:37,750 --> 02:27:40,070
that is managed by the county.

1525
02:27:40,790 --> 02:27:49,890
And the way we see it is we could be like a liaison to help and work these people through

1526
02:27:49,890 --> 02:27:56,830
the permitting process. So that's one item. The other thing is the permitting process

1527
02:27:56,830 --> 02:28:01,570
and it's not, it's not unique to the city of Bowie, other cities within the

1528
02:28:01,570 --> 02:28:06,610
Prangiorges County and other organizations at the same issue. So if we could

1529
02:28:06,610 --> 02:28:19,870
collaborate with them and touch base with them and come up with some kind of

1530
02:28:19,870 --> 02:28:24,030
We could address those challenges, right?

1531
02:28:25,250 --> 02:28:31,930
So the recommendation really is to, for us within the city to foster an alignment with those

1532
02:28:31,930 --> 02:28:38,270
different organizations and see if we could develop partnership with them to help improve the

1533
02:28:38,270 --> 02:28:43,730
permitting process. So that's not too for the permitting process. The last thing we're requesting

1534
02:28:43,730 --> 02:28:53,530
that we're asking that the city requests on Umbudsman at the county level, right, to assist

1535
02:28:53,530 --> 02:29:03,170
with the permit inspection and enforcement issue that people are having. So it's a way

1536
02:29:03,170 --> 02:29:10,510
of coordinating the permitting process through the Umbudsman, through having coalition with different

1537
02:29:10,510 --> 02:29:19,610
organizations and to elevate our support within the city to alleviate the issue with permits.

1538
02:29:20,210 --> 02:29:24,610
All right, that's something. Those are the, those are the items that we recommend.

1539
02:29:25,230 --> 02:29:26,350
Thank you very much.

1540
02:29:28,620 --> 02:29:32,140
Thank you. So thank you, Mr. Lewis. Does anyone have any questions about anything?

1541
02:29:35,390 --> 02:29:38,550
Any questions, anyone? Council. Councilwoman.

1542
02:29:40,590 --> 02:29:44,550
Thank you Mr. Mayor, and thank you so much for the presentation this evening.

1543
02:29:44,730 --> 02:29:45,770
It's good to see you both.

1544
02:29:46,590 --> 02:29:49,630
My first question is first, during the last budget cycle,

1545
02:29:49,830 --> 02:29:53,790
we talked about this role of an unbudgetman quite a bit.

1546
02:29:54,790 --> 02:29:59,970
And then we also possibly talked about seeing what county council woman here.

1547
02:30:16,580 --> 02:30:31,360
We have a internal permit specialist, which is T.R. Andrews, she's our business retention specialist. Part of retaining businesses in buoy has become very much helping them get through the permit process, as Ben mentioned.

1548
02:30:32,820 --> 02:30:35,660
We have a pretty good relationship with Charles Cooper.

1549
02:30:35,720 --> 02:30:39,340
Charles Cooper is the senior person that

1550
02:30:39,340 --> 02:30:43,000
deprived responsible for permit bird dogging.

1551
02:30:43,160 --> 02:30:48,580
He is by default right now the obbudsman for anyone

1552
02:30:48,580 --> 02:30:50,280
who has an issue getting their permit.

1553
02:30:50,780 --> 02:30:52,420
So we're working that in the current year.

1554
02:30:53,100 --> 02:30:56,340
And we're examining what can be included in the book proposal

1555
02:30:56,780 --> 02:30:59,820
that will be winding its way through the council's process

1556
02:31:00,640 --> 02:31:08,020
beginning in January to address whether or not we seek a permit specialist with that being

1557
02:31:08,020 --> 02:31:13,980
the full duties not just additional duties or whether we want to pursue contracting with

1558
02:31:13,980 --> 02:31:18,160
one of several firms that can be hired to do that. So we have to know what we're doing

1559
02:31:18,160 --> 02:31:23,760
it as we can with current resources and we're looking to increase the resources we've got.

1560
02:31:24,320 --> 02:31:28,720
Thank you so much for that John Henry. I think for this next budget cycle that we're coming

1561
02:31:28,720 --> 02:31:34,800
up again. What I would love to get a clear understanding for staff during the economic development

1562
02:31:34,800 --> 02:31:41,280
section will be since we had this conversation about an unbuttsman like figure or potentially

1563
02:31:41,280 --> 02:31:46,420
hiring somebody or looking at what it would take to have somebody specifically dedicated to

1564
02:31:46,420 --> 02:31:52,160
permitting for the city of buoy for any type of activity that we may want for like a restaurant

1565
02:31:52,160 --> 02:31:58,240
or things of that sort. I'd like to understand what that report was and what was the conclusion

1566
02:31:58,240 --> 02:32:03,080
from that because we did talk about this extensively during the last budget cycle so much so that the

1567
02:32:03,080 --> 02:32:06,900
recommendation from staff. If I remember correctly and I can go back and watch the hearing,

1568
02:32:07,240 --> 02:32:11,520
was, hey, we'll think about this. We'll talk about this. We'll do our own research and

1569
02:32:11,520 --> 02:32:16,480
turn on and see if there's a need for this and the next upcoming budget cycle. So I want to

1570
02:32:16,480 --> 02:32:21,920
get a report out to really understand, was there a need? Do you identify and need? Is this something

1571
02:32:21,920 --> 02:32:27,040
that we want to move forward with? How is it? Is there an opportunity cost associated with us not

1572
02:32:27,040 --> 02:32:31,240
having this role given that this is the second time that it's coming up in the council hearing.

1573
02:32:31,400 --> 02:32:34,120
So that's what I'd love to understand going into next by the cycle.

1574
02:32:34,880 --> 02:32:40,320
Well, there won't be a formal report because we've identified that there is an issue and we've applied

1575
02:32:40,320 --> 02:32:42,840
staff resources to addressing it as we can now.

1576
02:32:43,240 --> 02:32:45,980
We will be prepared to discuss that with you during the budget process.

1577
02:32:46,300 --> 02:32:48,340
Okay. Okay. Okay. That will help.

1578
02:32:48,380 --> 02:32:50,960
Okay. In the context of what we're going to be asking you to fund.

1579
02:32:51,500 --> 02:32:53,480
Okay. Sounds good. That's good.

1580
02:32:53,480 --> 02:32:59,900
And then, because I remember, you had some of the recommendations of this about a year ago.

1581
02:33:00,340 --> 02:33:04,480
And then with those recommendations, I took two of them and presented them to this body.

1582
02:33:04,540 --> 02:33:05,980
One was the Embudsman role.

1583
02:33:06,480 --> 02:33:14,200
And then the second one was seeing if we could set aside marketing dollars to attract restaurants to come to the city of Booy.

1584
02:33:14,240 --> 02:33:16,820
Now, I know that we have currently have an RFP out.

1585
02:33:17,000 --> 02:33:19,900
John Henry, can you give us a status on the RFP and where that is?

1586
02:33:21,020 --> 02:33:25,740
We received four responses at our deadline November 22nd.

1587
02:33:25,780 --> 02:33:29,520
Those responses are currently undergoing review by our review team.

1588
02:33:29,800 --> 02:33:31,620
We'll have more details later this month.

1589
02:33:32,280 --> 02:33:33,540
Thank you so much for that John Henry.

1590
02:33:33,920 --> 02:33:38,040
So two of those recommendations that you've already kind of put towards are under

1591
02:33:38,040 --> 02:33:43,500
under motion and I look forward to looking over these responses and seeing what these

1592
02:33:43,500 --> 02:33:44,980
companies are prepared to do.

1593
02:33:44,980 --> 02:33:51,620
I think, and I just, when I saw Chesley, I spoke to him just very briefly, and I think

1594
02:33:51,620 --> 02:33:56,940
for this body, when it comes to restaurant tours, it's a really touchy spot for me mainly

1595
02:33:56,940 --> 02:34:01,540
because a lot of these restaurants that a lot of our constituents want to see

1596
02:34:02,660 --> 02:34:07,800
only go to places that are surrounded by condos and apartments, because that's what sustains

1597
02:34:07,800 --> 02:34:11,800
their foot traffic every single day. Like, these apartment buildings are going downstairs,

1598
02:34:11,800 --> 02:34:15,960
they eat dinner at these restaurants during happy hour and they sustain them financially.

1599
02:34:16,720 --> 02:34:20,840
And unfortunately, that's just not the pattern of our constituents. Our constituency doesn't

1600
02:34:20,840 --> 02:34:25,720
go out to eat every single night. Quite frankly, they may even go out to eat once every two weeks.

1601
02:34:26,180 --> 02:34:30,480
And a lot of these restaurant tours will not take a gamble or take the risk and go in an area

1602
02:34:30,480 --> 02:34:34,620
if they know they're not going to have sustained foot traffic. I don't know what that means for us going

1603
02:34:34,620 --> 02:34:38,460
forward into this next next budget cycle and how we want to look at our strategic planning.

1604
02:34:38,460 --> 02:34:59,960
And what does that mean, because at some point we're going to have to make a decision as a constituency, not just up to this bottle body, but for our constituents, because on the one hand, they don't want more apartments, but they want more restaurants, but these restaurants only come to things that are apartment, it's like the Whole Foods argument. Everybody wants Whole Foods, but Whole Foods only wants to go underneath the apartments, and nobody wants the apartments that.

1605
02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:13,960
And so, it's a very touchy spot for us. I think, for me, on behalf of District 4, I think the best thing that we can do is see if we can focus on attracting specialty restaurant groups that are willing to take the gamble.

1606
02:35:14,160 --> 02:35:24,040
A good example of one is Atlas. Atlas is currently expanding all up and down from Baltimore down to Prince George's county to Virginia, and really approaching them.

1607
02:35:24,040 --> 02:35:32,720
And like these really specialty niche owners that are willing to take the gamble that had the financing in place and just really do a white glove matching of

1608
02:35:33,360 --> 02:35:41,160
You are expanding here is this area. Does it make sense? And what does that look like and really playing a lot more of an

1609
02:35:41,160 --> 02:35:43,460
Intentional role in that matchmaking process?

1610
02:35:43,720 --> 02:35:50,580
I think that's probably what our focus should be going forward, but I know that's gonna be up to discussion for the rest of this body

1611
02:35:50,580 --> 02:35:52,140
It's a very tushy subject.

1612
02:35:52,140 --> 02:35:55,280
I don't even really know what the direct answers are for it,

1613
02:35:55,280 --> 02:35:57,140
but I know that a lot of us are considering it.

1614
02:35:57,580 --> 02:35:59,220
So I really thank you for your recommendations,

1615
02:35:59,420 --> 02:36:01,800
and I'm glad to know that two of them are at least under what.

1616
02:36:02,300 --> 02:36:04,320
Well, thank you for thinking with that.

1617
02:36:04,380 --> 02:36:06,540
When I think of WatchApple though.

1618
02:36:08,200 --> 02:36:09,700
We're the part, it's there.

1619
02:36:10,060 --> 02:36:14,220
I mean, really, you had the older homes, town homes.

1620
02:36:14,820 --> 02:36:17,020
They are building what there's some town houses,

1621
02:36:17,180 --> 02:36:18,440
but they don't have a part.

1622
02:36:18,440 --> 02:36:19,520
That's not accurate.

1623
02:36:19,720 --> 02:36:20,740
Where are hundreds of apartments?

1624
02:36:20,780 --> 02:36:21,540
Big apartments?

1625
02:36:22,020 --> 02:36:25,660
Large, there's a large of apartments right next to the theater.

1626
02:36:26,440 --> 02:36:26,740
OK.

1627
02:36:27,180 --> 02:36:28,480
There's just two hundred apartments.

1628
02:36:31,070 --> 02:36:31,890
That's true.

1629
02:36:32,490 --> 02:36:32,610
Yeah.

1630
02:36:33,270 --> 02:36:36,350
I would even just on that, if I may necessarily briefly,

1631
02:36:36,350 --> 02:36:40,050
even on watchapples, even the restaurants there

1632
02:36:40,050 --> 02:36:42,170
are not the restaurants that the city of Buiwants.

1633
02:36:42,410 --> 02:36:44,050
Like, if you look at the watchapples,

1634
02:36:44,070 --> 02:36:45,830
except they're silver diner, I mean,

1635
02:36:46,010 --> 02:36:48,790
yes, they launched a luxury higher tier restaurant,

1636
02:36:48,790 --> 02:36:53,630
But silver diner technically if we were to say to district 4 and bringing silver diner

1637
02:36:53,630 --> 02:36:59,410
But anybody jump up and now probably not I think people are looking at the fact that bonfish grill is there

1638
02:36:59,410 --> 02:37:03,630
Yeah, and brandy wine bonfish grill is there and then the new farmhouse

1639
02:37:03,630 --> 02:37:06,830
That's been that location been several things

1640
02:37:09,430 --> 02:37:12,850
Yes, thank you Mr. Mayor and thank you all for their presentation

1641
02:37:12,850 --> 02:37:18,150
I had the pleasure of sitting in why you were discussing this and and

1642
02:37:18,150 --> 02:37:24,510
have had a better understanding of what you were saying tonight. But two things I want to bring up.

1643
02:37:25,050 --> 02:37:33,190
So I totally agree 100% with Councilwoman Roxie. I don't mess up her last name. I just call it her first name.

1644
02:37:33,870 --> 02:37:41,530
And the point is that you do need the rooftops to drive the traffic in order to get the people to come in.

1645
02:37:41,530 --> 02:37:42,850
I mean, you just do.

1646
02:37:43,030 --> 02:37:47,870
It's just a basic philosophy around commercial businesses,

1647
02:37:48,210 --> 02:37:53,390
such as grocery stores, as well as restaurants.

1648
02:37:54,190 --> 02:37:58,170
The other piece, I'll say, is about deep high.

1649
02:37:59,010 --> 02:38:03,470
We had less talk a couple weeks ago at a council meeting,

1650
02:38:04,050 --> 02:38:06,130
and I had given him some input.

1651
02:38:06,770 --> 02:38:09,150
And I think I talked to this group as well

1652
02:38:09,150 --> 02:38:13,530
that we can't do this by itself when it comes to permitting.

1653
02:38:14,850 --> 02:38:20,910
And so we're, hopefully we'll have a municipal league meeting here

1654
02:38:20,910 --> 02:38:26,050
in the city and that will give us an opportunity to put that on the agenda.

1655
02:38:26,470 --> 02:38:31,750
So I know that we're not the only municipality that's having problems with deep eye.

1656
02:38:32,230 --> 02:38:38,630
And I'm almost positive that getting our own zoning authority will be a challenge.

1657
02:38:38,630 --> 02:38:45,170
although I am always hopeful that we'll be able to do so, but I think if we come together as

1658
02:38:45,170 --> 02:38:52,570
a collective body, as the administration is changing on the county level, we may be able to

1659
02:38:52,570 --> 02:38:59,230
get in, get a foothold in, have someone talk to us because we learn doing that presentation that

1660
02:38:59,230 --> 02:39:05,570
you all had is that the process is broken. They have a system in place that was supposed to

1661
02:39:05,570 --> 02:39:08,170
make it more efficient, and it has not.

1662
02:39:08,510 --> 02:39:10,930
It has made it probably somewhat worse,

1663
02:39:10,950 --> 02:39:13,870
because you can't just go knock on someone's door

1664
02:39:13,870 --> 02:39:16,850
and say, please, don't we get this permit walk through

1665
02:39:17,430 --> 02:39:19,770
because of their processing process and things.

1666
02:39:20,090 --> 02:39:23,770
So with all that being said, my one question to you,

1667
02:39:23,810 --> 02:39:27,310
you both, is if you had to recommend one thing

1668
02:39:27,310 --> 02:39:31,590
from your list, what would be your number one priority

1669
02:39:31,590 --> 02:39:34,890
that you would want the city to focus on?

1670
02:39:38,090 --> 02:39:38,530
Even.

1671
02:39:45,440 --> 02:39:45,780
Wow.

1672
02:39:49,970 --> 02:39:59,270
Well, like I said, three of our seven recommendation is related to D-Py, all right. So anything that we could do.

1673
02:40:00,000 --> 02:40:17,180
In the city of Bowie to alleviate whatever issues that they're having, and I'm talking about the retailers and the restauranters, that that would be number one, I think, because three out of the seven are related to depot.

1674
02:40:17,180 --> 02:40:26,200
I would also agree with that, because if retailers as well as restaurants are charging additional money,

1675
02:40:26,700 --> 02:40:35,000
because they're saying it's difficult to get through the process, that's basically saying to some retailers

1676
02:40:35,000 --> 02:40:40,420
while I rather just not go there or restaurants, it's going to cost more money.

1677
02:40:40,420 --> 02:41:05,540
Right. Right. Sorry. So one other thing that sounded like a low-hanging fruit for me was restaurant week and I thought that was a good idea because we do have some restaurants and it might be a good idea just to focus and showcase around the local culinary, you know, opportunities that we do have.

1678
02:41:06,160 --> 02:41:12,800
Booie Bick had an event here a couple of weeks ago last week and they had a taste of

1679
02:41:13,660 --> 02:41:18,200
Booie and they had people walking around sampling and I did find a new place it's not

1680
02:41:18,200 --> 02:41:23,180
to sit down, eat in, sort of the place but it was a new place I could go to and get

1681
02:41:23,180 --> 02:41:28,420
dinner on Friday night. So I think that's a low hanging fruit and if I were to

1682
02:41:28,420 --> 02:41:33,140
committee those would probably be my top two. The one that's more critical

1683
02:41:33,900 --> 02:41:39,700
and the other is bringing more attention to what we already have here in the City of

1684
02:41:39,700 --> 02:41:40,040
Buick.

1685
02:41:40,300 --> 02:41:41,260
So that's my comments.

1686
02:41:41,380 --> 02:41:42,260
Thank you, thank you.

1687
02:41:42,260 --> 02:41:42,640
Great job.

1688
02:41:42,700 --> 02:41:43,720
I appreciate it.

1689
02:41:43,720 --> 02:41:44,700
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

1690
02:41:45,420 --> 02:41:45,780
Thank you.

1691
02:41:45,780 --> 02:41:47,160
Thank you.

1692
02:41:47,160 --> 02:41:48,720
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

1693
02:41:48,980 --> 02:41:50,940
Thank you a lot before your presentation.

1694
02:41:52,540 --> 02:42:02,780
The EDC, John King, I had a chance to sit on the committee prior to Council a while ago

1695
02:42:02,780 --> 02:42:14,360
And as a business owner, I understand the risks and the rewards, the rooftops, what is attracting the people.

1696
02:42:15,960 --> 02:42:22,860
One of the key issues, and I really appreciate these seven points.

1697
02:42:22,860 --> 02:42:34,120
I mean, they are, they are accurate, clear, one of the things in terms of, I think, is important to retain.

1698
02:42:34,500 --> 02:42:44,040
You mentioned Ruby's restaurant, that's probably the only restaurant that we have, that's homegrown.

1699
02:42:45,240 --> 02:42:51,440
We don't have many second-generational restaurants when I first moved here.

1700
02:42:52,640 --> 02:42:55,900
There was a restaurant in the Boy Tows Center called Straberries.

1701
02:42:58,040 --> 02:43:00,260
It was called Straberries.

1702
02:43:01,120 --> 02:43:01,860
Straberries?

1703
02:43:02,540 --> 02:43:03,280
Straberries?

1704
02:43:03,280 --> 02:43:03,560
Straberries?

1705
02:43:03,560 --> 02:43:03,840
Straberries?

1706
02:43:05,120 --> 02:43:09,300
I remember that.

1707
02:43:09,460 --> 02:43:10,820
Beautiful restaurant.

1708
02:43:10,820 --> 02:43:21,180
sitting, dining, music, grateful in terms of supporting these restaurants. We have a

1709
02:43:21,180 --> 02:43:26,080
Karavas that's Jason Wright beside apartment buildings and long leave off

1710
02:43:26,080 --> 02:43:32,180
Governor Bridge Road. There are facing challenges in terms of staying staying

1711
02:43:32,180 --> 02:43:42,640
are viable and, you know, are we, we have, we have Apple Vs, we have different restaurants

1712
02:43:42,640 --> 02:43:53,420
that after their 30 years, Lisa's there, they had, I mean, as business owners, you know,

1713
02:43:53,900 --> 02:44:00,260
they have a right to, you know, way they are, right? But at the same time, you know, everybody

1714
02:44:00,260 --> 02:44:06,540
that is living in these 700,000 dollar houses, you know, from time to time, you do want to

1715
02:44:07,160 --> 02:44:12,640
fast food rest, you do want to cheese burger, you know, or is something of that sort.

1716
02:44:13,220 --> 02:44:19,740
So Ray Crot, you know, he did what he did in terms of doing something opposite.

1717
02:44:19,940 --> 02:44:27,260
So I think I'm, of course, smart development and we need, we definitely need more high

1718
02:44:27,260 --> 02:44:32,140
in restaurants, just not in Booye City.

1719
02:44:32,280 --> 02:44:36,240
That is a county, you know, um, um,

1720
02:44:36,600 --> 02:44:37,080
cry out.

1721
02:44:37,800 --> 02:44:43,420
And so, you know, because, because we are the greatest city

1722
02:44:43,420 --> 02:44:47,720
in this county, uh, we speak that as well, you know.

1723
02:44:47,720 --> 02:44:50,460
So, I'm definitely in support, you know,

1724
02:44:50,500 --> 02:44:53,980
smart development and retail, um, you know,

1725
02:44:53,980 --> 02:44:59,180
no matter how much customer service I give as an entrepreneur.

1726
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:06,180
I use to call my business a small business now called it a growing business because after, you know, you

1727
02:45:06,180 --> 02:45:15,100
bid in business and you people support you, you're able to grow. And that's what we need more to sustain

1728
02:45:15,760 --> 02:45:23,280
small business so they can grow. And let's let a lot of residents get their hands in the game. Let's take the risk.

1729
02:45:23,280 --> 02:45:31,180
We don't have, we don't, we can start other restaurants like what's the restaurant you

1730
02:45:31,180 --> 02:45:39,480
name, Copic Canyon, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a county, that's a county and base restaurant.

1731
02:45:40,260 --> 02:45:48,240
And this door is doing well. I definitely love these, these points that you guys gave and

1732
02:45:48,240 --> 02:46:01,900
I echo my colleague and how we can collaborate and move forward is definitely worth the effort.

1733
02:46:02,440 --> 02:46:03,280
So thank you again.

1734
02:46:03,900 --> 02:46:04,160
All right.

1735
02:46:04,480 --> 02:46:05,200
Thank you so much.

1736
02:46:05,520 --> 02:46:09,240
I know we could go on for hours more on this discussion.

1737
02:46:09,640 --> 02:46:11,980
But we need to move on with the agenda.

1738
02:46:12,900 --> 02:46:14,420
One more question.

1739
02:46:15,380 --> 02:46:16,360
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

1740
02:46:16,360 --> 02:46:18,540
First of all, thank you for being here this evening.

1741
02:46:19,420 --> 02:46:21,000
I do think there are a couple of comments.

1742
02:46:21,200 --> 02:46:24,620
The first thing is no doubt that DPI is an issue.

1743
02:46:25,780 --> 02:46:29,080
However, to a certain degree, we're barking up the wrong tree,

1744
02:46:29,920 --> 02:46:32,880
because we don't have that authority,

1745
02:46:33,120 --> 02:46:35,400
but I do think that we would, you know,

1746
02:46:35,660 --> 02:46:39,040
it's incumbent upon the community at large,

1747
02:46:39,220 --> 02:46:41,260
by that, I mean, the business community at large,

1748
02:46:41,720 --> 02:46:44,820
to be advocating and lobbying for itself,

1749
02:46:44,820 --> 02:46:51,940
at the county level with us by your side because I do think there needs to be a change,

1750
02:46:51,960 --> 02:46:56,840
a sea change in the way that business is handled. I just hear it all over the place and

1751
02:46:56,840 --> 02:47:02,320
it affects us as a community, it affects the business owners, and it's really detrimental

1752
02:47:02,320 --> 02:47:07,180
to everybody. So I would say that what you know and think about how it is that we can

1753
02:47:08,680 --> 02:47:15,140
advocate collectively at the county in essence. I guess what I'm saying is now that you've

1754
02:47:15,140 --> 02:47:20,700
reported out here, don't consider the job done. I think we've got to go to the next

1755
02:47:20,700 --> 02:47:28,080
place which is to the county working with our Councilmen to help advance this. She recognizes

1756
02:47:28,080 --> 02:47:34,240
that this is a problem. This is not something foreign to her. So thank you for your insights

1757
02:47:34,240 --> 02:47:44,460
on that. The other thing is restaurant week. Washington has a restaurant, a Washington metropolitan

1758
02:47:44,460 --> 02:47:53,000
restaurant association, something like that. I think what we need is a group similar, maybe

1759
02:47:53,000 --> 02:48:02,260
it's a subset of what group it would be, but there needs to be a group that coalesces around

1760
02:48:02,260 --> 02:48:06,420
there and off the top of my head I was just in the congease who would be good to put in for such a

1761
02:48:06,420 --> 02:48:10,980
restaurant week. We don't have a lot of people to a lot of restaurants that don't fall

1762
02:48:10,980 --> 02:48:18,520
into that quick serve category. But you got Jerry C. Food, Smokey Bones, Golden Pavilion. That's

1763
02:48:19,060 --> 02:48:25,660
it's a good food there. Ruby's, Black cow, Caraba's, getting that core group together

1764
02:48:27,360 --> 02:48:35,880
to establish that central focus that we can establish a restaurant week so that they can decide when they want to do it.

1765
02:48:36,000 --> 02:48:39,880
What's the best time of the year? Should it be the same time as Washington or should it be different?

1766
02:48:41,060 --> 02:48:44,480
And then I think the city should be in a position to help with that as well.

1767
02:48:44,820 --> 02:48:52,660
But I do think it's incumbent upon the restaurant community get together and be a part of that solution because

1768
02:48:52,660 --> 02:48:54,940
because they're not many of them

1769
02:48:54,940 --> 02:48:56,580
that it would fall into the category

1770
02:48:56,580 --> 02:48:58,480
of someone someone's acting as hell.

1771
02:48:58,600 --> 02:48:59,240
It's restaurant week.

1772
02:48:59,400 --> 02:49:01,060
Let's go to Popeyes and see what they got.

1773
02:49:01,740 --> 02:49:03,560
It's the same, it's the same coupon

1774
02:49:03,560 --> 02:49:05,100
that you get in the other place.

1775
02:49:05,660 --> 02:49:09,020
So I would say that if we could go to start working

1776
02:49:09,020 --> 02:49:11,640
at next step, that'd be awesome.

1777
02:49:12,380 --> 02:49:14,040
Thank you all for very much for the work you've done.

1778
02:49:14,540 --> 02:49:15,500
Thank you.

1779
02:49:17,630 --> 02:49:19,730
Again, thank you so very much.

1780
02:49:20,090 --> 02:49:23,030
We really are going very long.

1781
02:49:23,030 --> 02:49:26,450
Go ahead, cross the one and the remind you what we have to remember.

1782
02:49:26,450 --> 02:49:30,890
I was going to say if you guys are actively reaching out to people, two groups that I would

1783
02:49:30,890 --> 02:49:35,190
reach out to are Atlas Group, Atlas is based in Baltimore, and they're actively expanding.

1784
02:49:36,750 --> 02:49:41,410
They're called Atlas Restaurant Group, and then the other one is a restaurant called Amora.

1785
02:49:41,850 --> 02:49:44,490
It's owned by husband and wife.

1786
02:49:44,830 --> 02:49:47,530
They're building a second restaurant in Tyson's corner now.

1787
02:49:47,750 --> 02:49:49,210
We've pushed them for Prince George's county.

1788
02:49:49,490 --> 02:49:51,210
So those are the two that you could reach out to.

1789
02:49:51,910 --> 02:49:55,610
more and more is in Baltimore right now where it's Carlton residences but in Google

1790
02:49:55,610 --> 02:49:59,070
and more you'll see the owners information there.

1791
02:50:16,620 --> 02:50:17,640
Thank you, Mayor.

1792
02:50:18,820 --> 02:50:19,240
Real quickly.

1793
02:50:19,680 --> 02:50:28,600
At the last EDC, we had a gentleman from DeFi, there to talk about and acknowledge the issues with the permitting

1794
02:50:28,600 --> 02:50:32,000
process and what they're doing to try and rectify that.

1795
02:50:32,280 --> 02:50:37,320
At least they're acknowledging the problem and hopefully something will come to pass on that.

1796
02:50:37,340 --> 02:50:41,520
But I can tell you one back 22 years now.

1797
02:50:41,520 --> 02:50:47,000
But we've had a problem with getting things to come in.

1798
02:50:48,120 --> 02:50:51,620
For a while, we spent a lot of money.

1799
02:50:51,720 --> 02:50:58,480
This will be the third or maybe the fourth hiring of a PR firm for business.

1800
02:51:00,220 --> 02:51:02,460
And it's for most parts been money wasted,

1801
02:51:02,520 --> 02:51:05,600
because I don't think we have a vision of what we want yet.

1802
02:51:06,160 --> 02:51:07,880
So I think we need to find that.

1803
02:51:07,900 --> 02:51:09,340
What is economic development?

1804
02:51:09,340 --> 02:51:18,720
Because right now what I'm seeing is there's a competition between the institutional aspect of the city, commercial aspect, and restaurant.

1805
02:51:19,040 --> 02:51:25,380
Which one do we want to want to help one over the others or all of them at the same time?

1806
02:51:25,480 --> 02:51:28,300
So I think we up here need to resolve that issue.

1807
02:51:28,460 --> 02:51:30,260
And I'm hoping we can do that here soon.

1808
02:51:31,040 --> 02:51:37,300
And my vision is that it will end up with an economic development corporation for the city of Bully.

1809
02:51:37,300 --> 02:51:40,840
So we can come up with incentives to get people coming in.

1810
02:51:40,940 --> 02:51:47,380
I can tell you, my wife went to Boniface, came back and raved about it.

1811
02:51:47,560 --> 02:51:50,600
So I reached out three times to the corporate headquarters.

1812
02:51:50,920 --> 02:51:56,940
And they said at the time, oh, we don't co-locate a bone with outback.

1813
02:51:58,160 --> 02:51:59,020
We don't do that.

1814
02:52:00,340 --> 02:52:00,840
Okay.

1815
02:52:01,160 --> 02:52:02,480
And then, guess what?

1816
02:52:02,560 --> 02:52:03,800
Go up the wall, chapel.

1817
02:52:03,920 --> 02:52:05,220
It was in 500 feet.

1818
02:52:05,680 --> 02:52:06,340
That's where they'd.

1819
02:52:07,360 --> 02:52:14,080
So, you know, the things, either things changed or they were lying, I don't know, but the problem is we've had difficulty.

1820
02:52:14,640 --> 02:52:20,980
And for a while we did have, I think, 16 restaurants came in, well, previously rather than the council, but then COVID hit.

1821
02:52:21,200 --> 02:52:25,800
And we lost TGI Friday, Ruby Tuesdays, Tias, and several others.

1822
02:52:26,240 --> 02:52:31,440
So there was the pendulum of the economic swing kicked in there.

1823
02:52:31,440 --> 02:52:39,520
But I do think we need to, one, continue the pressure and PGSCMA is a good example, because

1824
02:52:39,520 --> 02:52:44,640
at the last meeting there was another representative from Park and Planning, Planning

1825
02:52:44,640 --> 02:52:49,940
Section, talking about the problems with permitting, so they're aware of it, and the members

1826
02:52:49,940 --> 02:52:54,940
of the other municipalities of PGSCMA were complaining about the same thing that we've complained

1827
02:52:54,940 --> 02:52:55,280
about.

1828
02:52:55,280 --> 02:53:03,340
So there is, I think we can benefit if we coordinate and work together, but just because

1829
02:53:03,340 --> 02:53:10,320
all that, I'm not certain without a real good vision of what it is we want, will it necessarily

1830
02:53:10,320 --> 02:53:11,340
help?

1831
02:53:11,820 --> 02:53:16,880
So I would hope that we would be able to deal with that.

1832
02:53:17,240 --> 02:53:21,700
And I've got several things that I won't go into, but I commend you for your effort.

1833
02:53:21,700 --> 02:53:27,920
But I think that several of not all of them are good points, but maybe not implemented the

1834
02:53:27,920 --> 02:53:32,420
way or suggesting, but if we accomplish the same thing by doing a different way, I'm

1835
02:53:32,420 --> 02:53:36,380
sure you won't complain over that as long as we are able to improve and move along.

1836
02:53:36,580 --> 02:53:39,960
But I want to commend you for that and thank you for that and look forward to the next EEC

1837
02:53:39,960 --> 02:53:40,360
meeting.

1838
02:53:40,620 --> 02:53:41,340
Thank you, Mayor.

1839
02:53:46,160 --> 02:53:46,960
Thank you.

1840
02:53:46,960 --> 02:53:48,540
free to go right ahead.

1841
02:54:00,700 --> 02:54:01,860
Any other comments?

1842
02:54:03,520 --> 02:54:06,260
Hey, thank you so very much for being here this evening.

1843
02:54:08,780 --> 02:54:15,220
We'll not move on to adoption of Resolution R-DAS 82-DAS 24.

1844
02:54:18,690 --> 02:54:20,550
Could you leave the mayor and council members?

1845
02:54:21,070 --> 02:54:22,910
I'm George Jones, Grant's Manager,

1846
02:54:23,730 --> 02:54:27,370
and I'm here tonight to present to you the consolidated annual performance

1847
02:54:27,370 --> 02:54:31,890
and the valuation report for fiscal year 2023.

1848
02:54:31,890 --> 02:54:46,350
This report is for year number five of our five year approved plan, which is acquired by the Department of Housing and Urban Development Community Development Block Program.

1849
02:54:47,070 --> 02:54:56,030
The report identifies our expenditures and program accomplishments for fiscal year ending June 30, 2023.

1850
02:54:56,650 --> 02:54:59,970
throughout the fiscal year, the off-the-grant development.

1851
02:55:00,000 --> 02:55:13,320
Government administration performed grants administration activities that included grant research, writing, grants management, and review of rules and regulations along with policy and procedure training.

1852
02:55:13,320 --> 02:55:42,940
The grants office has assisted in housing and community development activities, such as home buyer assistance, workforce training and development, homeowner displacement, fair housing and administration, housing rehabilitation, and work with our community partners on various other initiatives, like response to homeless services and related assistance depending on residents.

1853
02:55:43,320 --> 02:55:52,570
For fiscal year 2023, the HUD CBBG grant funding was 188,403 dollars.

1854
02:55:53,700 --> 02:55:58,480
The consolidated annual performance and evaluation report, or sometimes called Caper,

1855
02:55:59,000 --> 02:56:04,760
outlines all the statutory requirements that would achieve and the program activities that

1856
02:56:04,760 --> 02:56:07,060
have taken place during that fiscal year.

1857
02:56:07,060 --> 02:56:13,600
For fiscal year 2023, these programs were one, the single-family rehab program.

1858
02:56:14,120 --> 02:56:16,500
This program is for low-mod income homeowners.

1859
02:56:17,540 --> 02:56:24,160
We approved the 13 applications, applicants that were awarded grants of $10,000 each.

1860
02:56:24,660 --> 02:56:27,980
During that year, we completed 11 projects.

1861
02:56:29,620 --> 02:56:31,500
In addition, there was fair housing training.

1862
02:56:31,500 --> 02:56:38,160
During Fair Housing Month on Wednesday, April 26, the city hosted an online presentation

1863
02:56:38,160 --> 02:56:44,000
on Fair Housing Laws, Rights, and organizations that can assist with Fair Housing

1864
02:56:44,000 --> 02:56:44,900
Violations.

1865
02:56:45,740 --> 02:56:52,320
The program featured three subject matter experts who worked in a Fair Housing Space regionally.

1866
02:56:52,520 --> 02:56:59,880
They included Emani Cherry Esquire, and Autumn Clark Esquire, of the Real Men Co-Fax

1867
02:56:59,880 --> 02:57:05,380
law firm who presented it on the law of the history of Fair Housing Legislation while

1868
02:57:05,380 --> 02:57:11,000
Hillary S. Chapman of the Metropolitan Washington Council of Governments presented on the

1869
02:57:11,000 --> 02:57:18,900
regional analysis of impediments to Fair Housing. We also did workforce training, the

1870
02:57:18,900 --> 02:57:25,300
program provided training to 26 residents, between the ages of 15 to 25 years old,

1871
02:57:29,300 --> 02:57:29,300
training

1872
02:57:29,300 --> 02:57:38,220
topics and to demonstrate topics. Having satisfactory completed requirements,

1873
02:57:38,860 --> 02:57:44,920
including public hearings, advertising and community outreach, we ask that you approve

1874
02:57:44,920 --> 02:57:52,520
resolution R-82-24, the consolidated annual performance and evaluation report for fiscal year

1875
02:57:53,600 --> 02:57:57,680
So it can be submitted to HUD for their review and approval.

1876
02:58:01,020 --> 02:58:01,860
That's it.

1877
02:58:06,230 --> 02:58:08,770
Are there any questions, council members?

1878
02:58:17,650 --> 02:58:18,270
Do you have one?

1879
02:58:19,170 --> 02:58:21,950
I know, I'm about to do now.

1880
02:58:25,390 --> 02:58:26,790
I was getting jamad.

1881
02:58:27,630 --> 02:58:28,990
I was getting my cheat sheet.

1882
02:58:35,610 --> 02:58:41,110
I would declare the public hearing open at this time.

1883
02:58:41,390 --> 02:58:44,470
Do we have anyone speak?

1884
02:58:44,690 --> 02:58:48,750
No mayor, no one signed up this evening, and no comments were received for your email.

1885
02:58:49,790 --> 02:58:52,750
At this time, I would declare the public hearing closed.

1886
02:58:54,060 --> 02:58:55,080
Mr.

1887
02:58:57,460 --> 02:59:05,260
Mayor, I'd like to make a motion for approval for adoption of Resolution R-82-24, as

1888
02:59:05,260 --> 02:59:08,780
that all is adoption of Resolution R-83-24.

1889
02:59:09,580 --> 02:59:10,480
No, excuse me.

1890
02:59:10,520 --> 02:59:11,780
I think they have to be too separate.

1891
02:59:11,900 --> 02:59:12,380
Mr. Separate.

1892
02:59:12,720 --> 02:59:13,940
All right, then.

1893
02:59:13,940 --> 02:59:16,160
In that case, I will withdraw the second part.

1894
02:59:16,400 --> 02:59:19,900
Just make an adoption of Resolution R-82-24.

1895
02:59:20,200 --> 02:59:20,460
Second.

1896
02:59:23,140 --> 02:59:26,660
It's been moved in probably a second and in discussion.

1897
02:59:31,470 --> 02:59:33,510
Hearing none, I'll call for the vote.

1898
02:59:33,890 --> 02:59:35,890
On the favor, please respond with the aye.

1899
02:59:36,030 --> 02:59:36,510
Aye.

1900
02:59:37,290 --> 02:59:38,570
Opposed, saying, favour.

1901
02:59:39,970 --> 02:59:40,510
And the abstentions.

1902
02:59:42,130 --> 02:59:43,650
Hearing none, the motion carries.

1903
02:59:49,250 --> 02:59:51,330
Our 83 deaths 24.

1904
02:59:53,470 --> 02:59:53,970
Now, Mayor.

1905
02:59:54,390 --> 02:59:55,110
And now, council members.

1906
02:59:55,270 --> 02:59:58,830
I would like to present to you the consolidated Annual Performance and

1907
02:59:58,830 --> 02:59:59,830
which report.

1908
03:00:02,280 --> 03:00:10,740
This report is for year one of our five-year proof plan, which is required by HUD and the community

1909
03:00:10,740 --> 03:00:15,960
developed community development block grant program. The report identifies our expenditures,

1910
03:00:16,400 --> 03:00:25,560
program accomplishments for fiscal year ending June 30, 2024. The designated CDBG project

1911
03:00:25,560 --> 03:00:33,120
areas for 2024, cover single family housing rehab, fair housing training, workforce, development

1912
03:00:33,120 --> 03:00:37,360
training, emergency food assistance, and emergency food assistance.

1913
03:00:38,500 --> 03:00:44,900
CDBG funded activities for these projects, paid the national objective for providing benefits

1914
03:00:44,900 --> 03:00:47,240
to low and moderate income persons.

1915
03:00:47,240 --> 03:00:58,220
The annual action plan for fiscal year 2024 identifies specific goals and objectives to meet local priority needs during that fiscal year.

1916
03:00:59,140 --> 03:01:17,160
As in previous years, the grants have persisted in housing and community development activities, such as home buyer assistance, workforce training and development, homeowner displacement, fair housing administration, housing rehabilitation and work with our community partners.

1917
03:01:17,160 --> 03:01:23,900
on various other initiatives like the response to homeless services and related assistance

1918
03:01:23,900 --> 03:01:25,800
depending on residence needs.

1919
03:01:26,500 --> 03:01:32,200
But fiscal year 2024, the HUD CDBG grant funding was twofold.

1920
03:01:32,880 --> 03:01:39,080
HUD CDBG entitlement program was funded at $177,913.

1921
03:01:39,080 --> 03:01:47,290
And we also received the CARES Act Supplemental Funding and the amount of 63,204 dollars.

1922
03:01:47,940 --> 03:01:53,100
The consolidated annual performance and evaluation report outlines all of the statutory

1923
03:01:53,100 --> 03:01:59,780
requirements that were achieved at the program activities that have taken place during the fiscal year.

1924
03:01:59,780 --> 03:02:07,120
For fiscal year 2024, these programs were the single-family rehab program, the program is for

1925
03:02:07,120 --> 03:02:14,160
low-mod and come home owners. 15 applicants were awarded grants of $10,000 each, $15 rehab

1926
03:02:14,160 --> 03:02:23,300
projects were completed. Fair housing training during Fair Housing Month on Wednesday, April 24, 2024.

1927
03:02:23,300 --> 03:02:30,600
The city hosted an in-person fair housing event on fair housing laws, rights, and organizations

1928
03:02:30,600 --> 03:02:36,840
that can assist with fair housing violations with a focus on regional, on the regional

1929
03:02:36,840 --> 03:02:42,140
history of fair housing and the current state of housing and privileged storage is calling.

1930
03:02:43,020 --> 03:02:49,620
The 24 presentation was conducted by Manuel Ochoa of the Ochoa Urban Collective.

1931
03:02:49,620 --> 03:02:56,400
In addition, we also had a workforce development program, the program provided training to

1932
03:02:56,400 --> 03:03:03,540
24 residents between the ages of 15 to 25 years old training topics included life skills,

1933
03:03:04,060 --> 03:03:10,280
curriculum, STEM, innovation and entrepreneurship with a focus on emerging industries and

1934
03:03:10,280 --> 03:03:10,980
technologies.

1935
03:03:12,200 --> 03:03:19,980
And finally, there was emergency housing assistance, the Office of Administration, also assisted

1936
03:03:20,620 --> 03:03:26,680
residents affected by the wooden lake, condominium fire, with shelter and emergency needs

1937
03:03:26,680 --> 03:03:32,620
to funding provided by the HUD CARES Act appropriation, approximately $4,000.

1938
03:03:34,300 --> 03:03:39,520
Having satisfactory complete with the requirements, inclusive public hearings, advertising

1939
03:03:39,520 --> 03:03:47,820
community outreach. We ask that you approve resolution R83-24, the consolidated annual

1940
03:03:47,820 --> 03:03:54,140
performance and evaluation report for fiscal year 2024 so it can be submitted to HUD for

1941
03:03:54,140 --> 03:03:55,480
their review at approval.

1942
03:04:01,380 --> 03:04:03,040
Thank you. Any questions, anyone?

1943
03:04:05,880 --> 03:04:07,460
At this time, I'd like to declare

1944
03:04:07,460 --> 03:04:15,800
a public hearing open. We have any. I'm speaking. No, Mayor. No one signed up this evening in

1945
03:04:15,800 --> 03:04:18,480
comments were submitted via email.

1946
03:04:20,860 --> 03:04:25,660
No, nobody signed up and no comments were received via email.

1947
03:04:26,180 --> 03:04:30,280
Thank you. At this time, I declare the public hearing flows.

1948
03:04:31,340 --> 03:04:32,760
I'll entertain a motion.

1949
03:04:33,180 --> 03:04:38,280
Mr. Mayor, I'd like to move for adoption of resolution R-83-24,

1950
03:04:38,500 --> 03:04:43,920
adopting the housing and community development consolidated annual performance evaluation report

1951
03:04:43,920 --> 03:04:46,040
for fiscal year 2024.

1952
03:04:48,140 --> 03:04:48,620
Second.

1953
03:04:49,940 --> 03:04:50,380
Second.

1954
03:04:53,610 --> 03:04:54,050
Second.

1955
03:04:56,470 --> 03:04:57,950
Please respond with an eye.

1956
03:04:58,410 --> 03:04:58,610
Bye.

1957
03:05:00,000 --> 03:05:06,580
All sign favour? Any abstentions? Hearing none, a motion carries.

1958
03:05:09,790 --> 03:05:15,270
At this time, let's move to item E of the introduction

1959
03:05:15,270 --> 03:05:22,930
of ordinance, ordinance, O1, 25 repeating and it's entirety and enacting with amendments.

1960
03:05:24,710 --> 03:05:27,990
Mayor, that was moved to the January 6 meeting.

1961
03:05:27,990 --> 03:05:31,710
Did you want to discuss? I thought you asked you want to discuss that today.

1962
03:05:33,450 --> 03:05:33,890
Yeah.

1963
03:05:34,970 --> 03:05:36,930
Not until six.

1964
03:05:37,490 --> 03:05:40,050
Not that. Not the rest. This is.

1965
03:05:41,770 --> 03:05:42,650
What are you talking about?

1966
03:05:42,810 --> 03:05:43,230
Did you see him?

1967
03:05:43,930 --> 03:05:44,090
Yeah.

1968
03:05:45,010 --> 03:05:46,110
What are you talking about?

1969
03:05:46,230 --> 03:05:47,510
I'm telling you about item.

1970
03:05:49,390 --> 03:05:54,010
I thought you said you wanted to discuss this today and not wait until January 6.

1971
03:05:54,650 --> 03:05:54,810
No.

1972
03:05:56,950 --> 03:06:05,450
What I have to have a discussion about task and staff with review and the churches application.

1973
03:06:05,750 --> 03:06:06,910
I have nothing to do with that.

1974
03:06:08,750 --> 03:06:09,950
All right.

1975
03:06:10,270 --> 03:06:16,200
Moving right along to Council discussion on hosting a Prince George's County Municipal Association.

1976
03:06:18,150 --> 03:06:19,190
PGCMA meeting.

1977
03:06:19,810 --> 03:06:24,380
This is what I brought on on and let me just kind of cut to the chase on that.

1978
03:06:24,380 --> 03:06:40,800
What I'd like to ask of council is that before we commit any resources of the city or anything else as a professional courtesy, would you please check with me and talk with me on this?

1979
03:06:41,420 --> 03:06:46,820
Because I had talked with them about doing it and wanted to do it a little later in the spring.

1980
03:06:46,820 --> 03:07:00,840
But what we need to do is understand that we can't commit the resources of the city, without us first having some discussion and input to it.

1981
03:07:03,560 --> 03:07:05,480
And that's all.

1982
03:07:06,280 --> 03:07:09,400
All right. Any other items?

1983
03:07:09,800 --> 03:07:10,440
Any other questions?

1984
03:07:12,920 --> 03:07:13,220
Yes.

1985
03:07:13,220 --> 03:07:20,040
So Mr. Mayor, at the point where we're going to commit to a date in the spring, is that what you're saying?

1986
03:07:20,500 --> 03:07:20,900
Well, absolutely.

1987
03:07:21,320 --> 03:07:24,160
Okay, so we'll come back to this and have a date.

1988
03:07:24,440 --> 03:07:24,460
Yeah.

1989
03:07:24,580 --> 03:07:25,560
Okay, all right.

1990
03:07:25,720 --> 03:07:26,560
Thank you.

1991
03:07:26,980 --> 03:07:27,860
Thank you for the clarity.

1992
03:07:29,680 --> 03:07:30,700
Any other questions?

1993
03:07:32,880 --> 03:07:33,040
Go ahead.

1994
03:07:34,920 --> 03:07:35,400
Councilman.

1995
03:07:35,840 --> 03:07:36,240
Sorry to hear.

1996
03:07:36,480 --> 03:07:36,960
Thank you.

1997
03:07:38,240 --> 03:07:38,420
Prior.

1998
03:07:40,730 --> 03:07:42,310
I believe it was, I'm sorry.

1999
03:07:43,150 --> 03:07:50,570
After September, PDC of ABA meeting, I relayed to all that they had asked for some of the

2000
03:07:50,570 --> 03:07:56,590
municipality to volunteer January February March. And I asked for input, no one responded.

2001
03:07:58,010 --> 03:08:04,330
Prior to the meeting, just a week or two ago, I asked, is everything comfortable with a January

2002
03:08:04,330 --> 03:08:10,450
February March date? And I got no response from anybody. They were asking, and I said,

2003
03:08:10,450 --> 03:08:15,510
we would do the January one because I figured you guys already knew about this and it was coming

2004
03:08:15,510 --> 03:08:23,750
and it's not a large capital expenditure, so if we're not going to do the January we need to let

2005
03:08:23,750 --> 03:08:24,990
them out.

2006
03:08:25,370 --> 03:08:25,390
Yes.

2007
03:08:25,670 --> 03:08:26,690
And we'll do that.

2008
03:08:29,200 --> 03:08:29,760
Okay.

2009
03:08:30,040 --> 03:08:30,800
Any other questions?

2010
03:08:31,280 --> 03:08:31,840
Comments?

2011
03:08:33,370 --> 03:08:35,210
Here are you, no, no, no, no, no, no.

2012
03:08:37,990 --> 03:08:41,370
We have one more subject, only gender.

2013
03:08:42,410 --> 03:08:47,430
I didn't know that I added about reading or Christian church.

2014
03:08:47,990 --> 03:08:48,010
Good.

2015
03:08:49,350 --> 03:08:49,810
Thank you, Mary.

2016
03:08:50,230 --> 03:08:57,650
Just in light of the fact that we have a letter from the applicant,

2017
03:08:57,650 --> 03:09:00,930
to talk about, sorry about that.

2018
03:09:01,510 --> 03:09:05,410
They asked that the November meeting at Park and Planning

2019
03:09:05,410 --> 03:09:08,190
be delayed until at least December 5th.

2020
03:09:08,330 --> 03:09:12,410
So the last date we have is December 5th, which is this Thursday.

2021
03:09:13,330 --> 03:09:19,050
What I would ask for counsel support is to task planning department, Joe

2022
03:09:19,050 --> 03:09:23,430
Miner, with reaching out to Park and Planning and seeing if we can push their

2023
03:09:23,430 --> 03:09:30,550
hearing on the Redeemer Christian Church application to January or February and if they are

2024
03:09:30,550 --> 03:09:37,410
able to do it then I would ask staff, prepare or report and schedule a hearing before us

2025
03:09:37,410 --> 03:09:45,610
on this so we can take a position on their proposal because if it moves ahead and they grant

2026
03:09:45,610 --> 03:09:53,750
the six houses to be on extended, due drive, we need to make sure that the quantity and

2027
03:09:53,750 --> 03:09:59,650
the quality is at least commensurate if not equal to what exists there.

2028
03:10:00,000 --> 03:10:06,560
We need to make sure the buffering is adequate. We also need to have discussions about whether to hamax or not.

2029
03:10:07,240 --> 03:10:18,020
Because believe me, in five, ten years from now, the residents, if it is built, the residents in those six houses are going to start complaining about the fact that the city is not picking up their trash or cleaning their streets.

2030
03:10:18,200 --> 03:10:27,380
So I think we need to have a meeting, let the public speak, take a position, a formal position, if they don't have conduct the hearing on the fifth.

2031
03:10:27,380 --> 03:10:30,520
So that is what my request is for consensus.

2032
03:10:31,520 --> 03:10:34,780
Sorry to sign the task to the planning department.

2033
03:10:35,300 --> 03:10:39,320
Sir, imagine can we get that together for the council thing?

2034
03:10:39,720 --> 03:10:43,120
Well, I think based on what Mr. Brady said.

2035
03:10:43,120 --> 03:10:49,560
First thing we need to do is try to get that the simmer fifth hearing pushed out

2036
03:10:49,560 --> 03:10:52,360
and if not then there's a mood point I think.

2037
03:10:52,360 --> 03:10:57,740
So we got that mission unless somebody's got any objectives to it.

2038
03:10:58,160 --> 03:10:59,560
Now we can start pressing that.

2039
03:10:59,620 --> 03:11:01,740
I'm not sure how much success we're going to have.

2040
03:11:01,920 --> 03:11:02,760
We can certainly try.

2041
03:11:02,820 --> 03:11:07,180
It will be telephonic communications with the Parsons and Charge

2042
03:11:07,180 --> 03:11:12,640
and expressing a desire to push the hearing out till January,

2043
03:11:12,860 --> 03:11:15,760
if everybody see whatever response is.

2044
03:11:16,080 --> 03:11:18,620
We can do that if it's all correct.

2045
03:11:24,240 --> 03:11:30,020
Mr. Mayor, I'd like to make a motion for adjournment.

2046
03:11:30,320 --> 03:11:31,960
I'm sorry, I didn't open the floor.

2047
03:11:34,700 --> 03:11:37,320
I live until open the floor to most.

2048
03:11:39,300 --> 03:11:41,480
Yeah, helping you speed things along.

2049
03:11:42,440 --> 03:11:43,700
Drawing up roadblocks.

2050
03:11:44,020 --> 03:11:44,680
It's getting moving.

2051
03:11:45,200 --> 03:11:46,240
How many seconds?

2052
03:11:46,680 --> 03:11:47,320
There we go.

2053
03:11:47,320 --> 03:11:49,120
That's what I'm moving about with.

2054
03:11:51,340 --> 03:11:53,620
And he's discussing here in that all-in-favor,

2055
03:11:53,960 --> 03:11:55,340
Spurs is fine with an eye.

2056
03:11:55,740 --> 03:11:56,180
Hi.

2057
03:11:56,360 --> 03:11:57,700
A pose saying favor.

2058
03:11:58,400 --> 03:11:59,720
Any abstentions?

2059
03:11:59,940 --> 03:12:00,400
Yeah, I know.

2060
03:12:00,540 --> 03:12:01,500
I know I know the motion carries.