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There being a forum present, I hereby
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September the 2nd, 2026 meeting of the
Fox Bar Conservation Commission to

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order.
>> All right.

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» Um so
start off with the minutes. interesting

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is the review minutes and chorus.
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the minutes. They look pretty short,
which we do have two sets. Um I'll just

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let
>> I think it was just Lucy who was in

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here, but anyone online or watching this
over recording. We did hold a emergency

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meeting brief, only about 10 minutes on
Thursday at 2 p.m. Um the agenda was

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uploaded. Uh it was not recorded but the
minutes here are set to be approved and

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that was um to approve the emergency
certificate for the briefing of the dams

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at Paddock Estates. Um and so let's
let's do the August 19th.

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» Yes. Let me pull that up
>> first.

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Isn't there a vote to say
vote for this negative intimidation of

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applicability?
This says there's one motion. I thought

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I saw
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» I see motion was made by David
seconded by Liz and voted unanimously to

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close the hearing and issue a negative
number two uh determination.

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» What's that?
>> That's the way it was done.

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» Well, that's okay. I mean, usually they
close the hearing and then issued the

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transition vulnerability, but it's not a
huge difference.

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It should say there was a vote.
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» says we voted unanimously. So I mean the
implication is is that the motion to

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close the hearing and and issue the
determination is made in saying

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You would make a motion on the August
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I I wasn't there. So,
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» I'll move to approve to August 19th and
I'll second

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move and second and to approve the
minutes for the August 19th meeting. Um,

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all those in favor say I.
>> I. All those opposed.

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That motion carries unanimously.

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So on the August 27th meeting minutes
Ian um just just go it's right here it

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says the property owner has filed an
application for a board of health

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emergency permit to breach the dam.
>> Yeah.

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» I my recollection from the meeting is is
that the board of health actually issued

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that. I think you brought you brought it
up on the screen.

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» Um they that was the permit that they
applied. Uh and

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» this was on Thursday. Yeah. So Jim had
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an
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So I think you weren't there. We'll see.
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» Steve or Steve?
>> Yes. Sure. I I I will move the approve

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minute of August 27th emergency meeting.
Second. move and seconded to approve the

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minutes of the August 27th, 2026
emergency meeting. Um, all those in

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favor say I.
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extension.
>> Oh, no. No.

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» You can't.
>> Yeah. Okay. Sorry.

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» That motion carries unanimously.
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» I think that's it's been started.
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right now as well. Um, so I believe it's
one of the Oh, no, sorry. I did not

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print it. It was a nine page long email
chain that really did not need to waste

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paper on. Um, but I do have a folder
here for the Beaver Dams update that

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I'll get into. Uh, because we do not
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So, uh, if we're going over to the
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let me X this out so we have a little
more space.

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Um, the Hagar Land was very successfully
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came by last
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they blasted it and the DPW was also
there. They were chopping up the uh

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cutting through the wood and they did a
very good job clearing. I'd say about 10

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or 12 linear feet um under the bridge,
making a good clearing. Uh and as you

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can see, water has been flowing and it
was I'll remind us up to probably

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halfway up this bridge here, maybe a
little more. Um so we've gotten almost 3

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ft of water back. I mean, you can see
the water line in some of these. Um, and

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I should have taken more photos, but uh,
these were

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this was taken on Monday, so this was a
couple days after. Um, it didn't seem

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like there was a crazy amount of
activity to cover it back up, but even

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so, um, the inundation has kind of been
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interesting to see them mucking about
and pulling all that all that debris

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out.
blasting it with a hose was actually

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pretty pretty um
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» Went and just before this meeting
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I hadn't seen the before picture and so
it was pretty clear that the water was

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flowing was this big.
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there was this even this huge beaver dam
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gigantic and it's been there for a long
time because brickless grass and

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everything growing top of it
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build another one right there at the
bridge just to happen.

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you know it's their nature.
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and yeah,
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but that's not enough.
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busy. Um, all right. And then over at
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um, we know last Thursday, like I said,
emergency meeting. We had the beaver

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permit application there for that
meeting and Jim indicated by then that

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he would be signing it the following
day. This is what we received from Jim

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the following day. Um purpose of
breaching the dam, not the removal, not

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the modification of the beaver dam or
the flow device.

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Um so he signed that that is in effect
until 6 days from now. Um but it seems

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like most if not all of the work has
been done. This is what we had signed

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and reviewed in the meeting last
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And then this is the email chain. And
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communicate with Scott and ask him on
Monday if he completed the work. He

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said, "We got two dams, two and three
done, but hope to go back for one

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tomorrow. One being that large one, the
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and then I asked again for an update. He
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yesterday. There was some very strong
water flow yesterday. Today the flows

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seem to have diminished. and I will be
out there tomorrow um at Paddock to look

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at how much their water level has
changed in their fire pond. And um I'll

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probably try to bring Chief Klin out
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be done um in the time being. But
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photos by any chance?
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probably could have asked him for those,
but uh I will be I'll have some photos

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for our next meeting because I'll be out
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And that's all I have for Beaver Damps.
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» No problem. We're 2 minutes off from
I'll save the planners report cuz that

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one is a bit uh it's a bit dense. Um
this places associates letter is pretty

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self-explanatory, a bit retroactive. Uh
this is the letter that um Bill Murray

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who was here at our last meeting or I
guess second to last meeting um

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wrote this letter about the Hagerbridge
sent it to Mike John's on uh August 24th

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and um action was taken last week on
that. See if we have anything else

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that's easy. Um, yes, Dave Barnett had
emailed Scott uh yesterday asking um

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asking if if we can go out to the site
um sometime early next week to look at

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the work that will be done. Um I know
that about two meetings ago, maybe three

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meetings ago now, we had spoken with
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definitely September. Um so looking like
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hopefully next week. Um
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» That's at Patch Hill. Yes, that's with
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yeah, and then we can It is 7:45.
We can either hold this last piece cuz

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this is a request for the commission. Um
yeah, let's talk about that.

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» All right, perfect. So, I'll leave that
one piece of correspondence in the

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planner's report for after. But as of
now, it is 7:45. So, I'll let you read

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that, Dave, and we can get this.
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» Yes. Thank you, Steve.
>> Yes. Thank you, Steve.

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» Okay.
file for 22

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by public hearing will be held on
September 2nd, 2026 at 7:45 p.m. for the

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Boxboro Conservation Commission to
consider notice of intent filed by Oxbow

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Associates, Inc. on behalf of the owner
at Element Materials Technology Og

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Group. The property is located at 1146
Massachusetts Avenue's map 13-018-0000.

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Project description installation of a
concrete stab for equipment. This public

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hearing will be held over town hall at
29 mil road and provided Zoom video

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conferencing. All details be made
available on the conservation commission

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open and posted a minimum of 48 hours
prior to the meeting on the town website

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www.boxthro-mass.gov.

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Contact conservation commission office
at 978-2641722

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if there are questions. I'm going to
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do we have do we have any hard copies of
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» Uh, yes. I have the reviewer's copy and
I have um I can pass this along to

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Steve, but I also have this and I can
flip through it on the uh it was 60

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pages long, so I didn't want to print
out four different copies.

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» Ladies and gentlemen,

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» can everybody hear me? for something
that I think could have been an RDA. But

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anyway,

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» so what was your
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well, well, as far as that goes, uh why
don't you walk us through the project?

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» So, uh I'm Ron Stros from Associates
representing um Elements Material

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Technology. Um basically,
this facility is a testing facility for

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a bunch of equipment. um and they
subject some of the material that they

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bring in there to extreme temperatures.
So they have these gigantic machines

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outside and I'm going to get this Ron
and I Ron's on the call. Um he's the

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kind of supervisor there, but um these
these big machines that kind of either

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extreme put these material through
extreme colds or extreme hot. I don't

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remember exactly which one was, but
there's two chiller

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giant pieces of equipment that are on
the outside which are marked in that red

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box top of the page and they're about
two stories tall and basically they are

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fed with one of these wells that are
also on the top of the page. It's fed

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with water. Basically, it takes I think
the heat from outside kind of cools down

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whatever it's getting is heated in
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not really sure.
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basically the testing equipment kind of
cools down or heats up to extreme

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extreme temperatures and it kind of put
these materials through a whole bunch of

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tests, see what their breaking point is
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Um, these two gigantic chillers are
outside. Um, they're on the the west

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side of the building. They are about at
least 25 years old. Uh, so you go to

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jump to the photos.
>> Can Can everybody hear me?

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» You can kind get an image of it, but
they're sitting on a giant on another

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concrete pad.
>> Yeah. From the cover.

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» Yep.
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And basically the idea is that we're
going to replace these machines with a

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newer machine um that's kind of a closed
loop system. So right now this is takes

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water from the well. It runs it through
both of these chillers

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and then water either gets recirculated
but some of it spills out the side. And

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actually in this photo, you can see the
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drains out from and the wetlands. Here's
my wetland flag. It drains onto a piece

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of plywood and then kind of drains into
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» So, is that is that by design or is that
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think it's cuz Brian had told me at one
point um he had turned the water off to

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try and stop this flow and the whole
machine was down for the entire day

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while refilled with water for whatever
reason it's either leaking or you know

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needs to be half it needs to be filled
to a certain level I think and as soon

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as you don't aren't filling it
constantly it doesn't work

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» well it is old.
And so, oh, Ron put his hand up.

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» Ron put his hand up.
>> Better explanation.

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» Good morning. Uh, good evening.
>> Hear me?

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» I'm I think I'm maybe having trouble
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There we go. Hold on, Ron. Go ahead.

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» Yeah, muted.
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» Okay. Can Good evening. Can you hear me
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» There we go. We can. Yeah, I think it
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» All right. I'm up here in the mountains.
Sometimes the reception's not the

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greatest.
Ronald Bernetti, Element Chief

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Electrician. Ron's doing a great job
explaining that. So,

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nice job, Ron.

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» All right. I'll uh I'll I'll sit tight
and listen. If you have any questions,

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uh I'll be more than happy to answer
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» So, yes, I was doing. Okay.

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So, this these machines are going to be
replaced. There's going to be a closed

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loop system that's going to be put in on
another concrete pad that's going to

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it's going to be a little bit offset
from this. Um, we're going to move it

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further away from the wetland, but it's
the idea is to have both systems running

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concurrently so there's not a whole
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um while one piece gets removed and then
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to set and then the machine has to be
brought in and set up and that's

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multiple days of downturn
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» that would have been temporary so the
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so the new one's going to get installed
first the m the the new conx box that it

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comes in and the the chillers are going
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the concrete pad's going to be built on
the blue spot The new conic box will be

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put installed. The piping will be
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and then where the existing chillers are
in the red box will be decommissioned

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and removed and the concrete pad will be
recouped. Correct.

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» So the new pad is smaller than the
existing pad. So and we're moving it

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further away from the well. So now we've
moved it outside the 25 ft bumper where

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it was at 7 ft. Um, and it's decreasing
in size about 30 square ft. Oops, not a

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ton, but it is a decreasing impervious
inside the buffer zone. Um, and it's

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kind of necessary for this location just
where it enters into the building. You

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know, we considered putting it closer,
but those other HVAC things are in the

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way. Um, and so this is kind of the best
spot for it. and the other one was going

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to be removed. Um, we proposed erosion
control along the wetland line and up

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along the property line, although I
don't think that'll be super necessary

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on the up to the property line. Um, but
it is going to the concrete pad is going

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to support the large weight. It's I
think was 60,000 lbs. So, there's it's

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going to be significant pad um and
reinforced and everything. So, and

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they're looking to try and get it in
before

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» we're the general the the GC we're
hoping to have the pad poured and cured

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by the end of September, early October.
A crane will set to ConX box. Take about

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a month of piping within electrical. We
do a two-day shutdown. we change over

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and then we have a demo crew uh going to
demo the existing towers going to go

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away
>> and that pretty much covers it. That's

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it's a pretty small project in the
overall scope of things. Um but it does

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reduce impervious in the bubble dome. It
moves it the impervious further away

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from the wetland line and it stops those
points discharge which has been draining

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into the wetland for 20 years.
And and the reason for that we have such

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a demand a load heat load that uh if we
turn the water makeup off um overnight

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it'll they uh just evaporates. So we
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Um with the closed loop system we have a
float in there so the water will just

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turn on and off when as needed. So right
now we've have the water full on or full

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off and that's our only option. So
that'll we have an improvement

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being made.

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» Is there any way you could move the new
mechanical room further away from the

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wetland?
>> Uh we could what would you like to see

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further further towards the front of the
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which would be east I guess. Uh
trying to look at the north south

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technically north. Yeah. Yeah.
Yes. So,

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» so right now we have it 11 feet off the
property line. Um, and we we we were

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going to to put it there for the piping
um for accessibility for the piping and

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the electrical. It's all going to go
overhead.

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» That's why it was laid out that way.
>> But it is still being moved what?

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Another 10 ft 10 ft more away from the
west at least.

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» Yeah. Something.
>> Yeah. Right now it's all Yes. Correct.

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» There's a setback for edge of
properties, too.

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» Ian got it on that one because we had it
set. We had it set closer and we

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actually moved it off though the time
step back. Uh

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if they do one, you guys have to file
with another board. Yeah.

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» Yeah.
>> But you probably do need a building.

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» Oh, certainly. Yeah. Yes, I'll we have I
hired a general contractor to oversee it

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and he's uh he'll be pulling all the
permits.

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» Yeah. one. Yeah, I'm just considering
it's uh I'm I'm curious about the the

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the killer situation, but that is
probably

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» Yeah,
was a technology from

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previous slide. Uh but that's okay. I
don't think it's gaining to this. So,

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just to just to to summarize, you you've
moved it back.

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where
out of the 25 ft buffer cell which you

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are still within the the larger buffer
cell. This is project which could not be

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built fresh today because of its
>> proximity to the wetlands. Right. So

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this is a pre-existing non-conformant
property and what we're doing here which

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was slightly provy.
>> Yes. Okay. So,

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» and they're outdated
>> and there's not much more you can do

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beyond that. And what I've heard here is
you were somewhat constrained by its

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location. Uh, it has to be near the
existing pipe so that you could just

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replace the feed and not have to do
substantial amount of rework inside the

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facility.
>> That's great.

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» Correct.
um boxes. The HBAC boxes are not part of

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its work, but they also part of the
constraints for why it is placed where

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it is. So, not closer to the to the
structure.

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» Well, I see a well there is
>> Yeah, the well's not

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» correct. I wanted to leave leave as
electrical 110.6 leaving working

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clearances around all the equipment.
That's why it was proposed there for for

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the well working clearances and the HVAC
working clearances.

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» And is the uh I don't see like gradient
lines here. I think I heard in the

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narrative that it's relatively flat
area.

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» Yeah. Don't there are grading lines. I
think uh I think that dotted this dotted

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line is I think that was a grading line.
It's always

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» this isn't 998 that's in 989. So that's
only one foot difference. Okay. Got him

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there. So there's so it is pretty flush.
So there's limited risk of of runoff

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from the construction site into zone but
you're going to handle that as I recall

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from the NOI that you're going to put in
the WS the WS.

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» That's yeah that's the heavy dotted uh
black line.

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» Okay.
Can you tell us what the process is to

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go on the mechanical?

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» Say again. I uh I I missed that. I'm
sorry. Say again.

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» The mechanical pro can you describe what
the mechanical processes are in the

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mechanical room?
>> Yes. So the mechanical room just right

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now houses uh uh two pumps. We have two
sides of the building. We have a

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dynamics which are shaker tables and an
environmental. And right now inside the

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mechanical room be two pumps in in
inside of our existing pump room. The

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new conx conx box is going to house um
two pumps, a um reservoir, and then two

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towers on top of the conx box. So
that'll all be inside of that box. And

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we will be
>> correct.

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» It's all it's all selfont. It's all
self-contained inside the box.

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» So So what fluids are you pumping?
>> Uh water. So So So the two cooling

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towers just water. All of our equipment
inside have heat exchangers. uh closed

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loop, a supply and a return, and it just
uh flows through a heat exchanger and

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whisks away all the heat, pulls it back
to the cooling tower, and the fans on

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the tower cool it and it just goes
around and around and around.

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» So that's So it's basically just cooling
towers, an evaporating cooling tower,

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» not an ethylene glycol.
>> No, no, no, sir. Um it it's all uh it's

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going to be water and we have there's
heaters. We have there's heaters being

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installed. So for the winter time,
that's what we have now is water and we

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have submersible heaters. So it' all be
heated.

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» So th those were actually my questions.
So So just just to make sure I

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understand. So So the um the uh cooling
the new cooling towers, which get

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there'll be two of them, two new ones,
right?

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» Correct. Um and and two um pumps, heat
exchange pumps.

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» Correct.
>> Um and and then and then is the the ConX

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box as you've described it. Is that is
that then something separate?

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» Yes. It's like a shipping container. Um
something you would see on a ship and

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and and process cooling. Um something
that they have designed. They put these

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two cooling towers on top of the box
structurally engineered and uh it's like

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a self-contained unit. It's going to
come with a crane conx box, two towers

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on top and all the associated equipment
would be inside the box. It's pretty

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» okay. And then
>> and so that's so so that's that's all

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that's all in a self-contained unit
which I guess you're calling the

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mechanical room.
>> Exactly. Yeah, we're going to call

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» which which then just gets lowered down
by the crane.

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» Correct. They're going to they're going
to hoist it over. Um, right now we have

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a mechanical room where the pumps are.
That's all going to go away. It's now

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going to be in the self-contained box
and we are we are installing uh spoke

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with the fire department and we'll be
putting fire alarm in there as well.

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» So, uh, and what kind of a subbase does
this uh this box go on? There must be

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some sort of preparation, initial
preparation of the ground that needs to

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be done.
>> I hired a general contractor who has a

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structural engineer. Um, we gave him the
dimensions, the weights of the equipment

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and uh that was being laid out by a
structural engineer. So he would have

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all that u for the for the permits.
>> So So that so um that plan will have to

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be submitted for the building permit. Um
and and and and I and I would say that

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that should be a condition um in the in
the order conditions that the commission

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get a copy of that as well.
>> That's certainly reasonable to do. Yes.

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And and so and the soil that you remove
from there. So you're going to have to

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do a lot of you're going to remove a lot
>> so usually we take the top soil out then

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what happens to that instead of concern
oursight

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» yeah we just put a condition that says
remove it off site

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» but you know it sounds like maybe
there's not going to have to they're not

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going to have to go too deep but I I
think there's going to have to be

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something will have to be put in as a
subbase

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» fill in the word
>> and And what I'll do is I'll speak to

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the general contractor tomorrow who's
going to be in charge of the uh the site

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work in the concrete and I'll let him
know that when he's pays a visit to the

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building department to have all that uh
have all that paperwork and drawings

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available.
>> Yeah, they're definitely going to want

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plans. No doubt about that.
>> Not a problem.

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» The piping overhead so not to you won't
have to trench,

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» right? The only grounds you're going to
start with that.

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» That's correct.
>> Yep. And there was no the existing bad.

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» No. Leave a hole in
>> for the when removing the existing one.

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» Yeah.
>> Now I think I think in the notice we

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said we put long in it and receat it.
>> Yeah.

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» Yes.
>> And we're going to let the area behind

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the box, you know, between the well and
the new box kind of reveate at least a

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little bit thicker. probably have to do
some clearance around the existing box.

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Um but right now there's probably one
foot maybe two feet of clearance uh that

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gets mowed. So if we can extend that by
anything um it's going to be better

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condition than it is right now.
>> Yes. A big improvement.

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» Yeah. Because because right now right on
the corner of the red

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box. There's a there's a hose that leaks
on

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» basically where all those arrows go.
That's kind of the exact point where it

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it drains in.
>> Yeah.

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» And then it goes into a J, which blows
the picture. The pictures for

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» Yeah. We're sure.
>> Um I have just one more question. So it

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says the covered plywood enclosures.
What what are those?

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» So underneath Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Behind
the existing towers uh behind the towers

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and next to the building are um are
plywood little structures that house all

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the fittings, the plumbing, um the
pipes, the supply and return. And those

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are heat heat tape heat trace wrapped.
Um you really can't see it from there

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which
but yeah so that's so underneath it. So

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below that uh right on that base we have
a supply and return

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» and
yeah there's a there's a picture in

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there that shows the viral sitting.
>> So so those are okay. So those are like

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penetration swing the shell.
>> Exactly. The penetration they're just

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fittings. Uh there there's couple one T
and some elbows and uh uh two valves for

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shutting the water off. Um and and it
has all heat trace around it. So that'll

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all be going away as well.
>> Yeah.

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» Those are those huts there are for our
um our shaker tables are all air cooled

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and those are blowers that that pull air
across a shaker table so they don't heat

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up. That's what those are. But but those
those plywood structures can't be

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permanent,
>> are they?

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» No, those are permanent. Yes,
because inside of there are are 20

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horsepower motors with blowers that pull
air across the shaker tables. We have um

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we have eight shaker tables inside that
building, vibration tables, and they're

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all air cooled. So without that, that
the equipment would wouldn't run. Yep.

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So, so you have no plans to replace the
plywood with anything a little bit more

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» Yeah. permanent you might say.
>> Uh with those before there was nothing

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over the enclosure. A couple years ago
they had those built. So those are only

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about two years old

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» which that's which that is a separate
issue. Those that's the shaker tables

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blower motors which is separate from the
cooling towers.

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» Yeah. I don't think
>> so. So So then, so then Okay. So let me

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just ask that. So prior to that, were
the were the pipes just exposed outside

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of the building? And and then and and
and that was built some time ago. And

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then as a
perhaps more recent

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uh modification
a structure was placed around them to

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give them more protection from the
elements. Is that sort of that's what's

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going on here right?
>> Correct. So I started there 16 years ago

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and in the eight vibration tables um I
just just a little lean to over it

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without a whole lot of structure or
protection for the motors and the

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blowers.
So, those were those were built a few

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years ago to um give the motors and
blowers some protection,

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» keep it out of the elements.
>> And

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someone might have asked the question,
was was that work done

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under the purview of the building
permit?

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Is I I don't even burns here. But boy,
that just seems really odd to have this

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collection of plywood structures which
really do not look to give the same fit

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finish as the uh exterior of the
building.

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Correct
there. It's uh it's uh aluminum siding.

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00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:53,240
It's fiberglass sighting actually.
Vertical vi fiberglass sighting.

413
00:36:53,839 --> 00:37:01,599
» Right. I mean that is uh I guess a point
of order is that outside the scope of

414
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:07,960
this NOI to approach this
>> corre correct this is yes

415
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,960
» okay

416
00:37:08,079 --> 00:37:19,440
your opinion I was asking that of the uh
of the other uh con

417
00:37:15,119 --> 00:37:24,720
» Oh okay sorry it's but I understand your
position on

418
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:28,160
» you know I um I I I I would agree it is
outside the scope. However, that doesn't

419
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:32,000
mean the commission can't request if if
there are concerns. I you know there

420
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:37,440
wasn't a filing when that work was done.
Um so I mean there there might be a

421
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:41,680
legitimate concern um that I mean just
thinking you know is is

422
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:47,920
» the buffer then they're very close to
the wetlands and and it looks to me like

423
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:52,800
there would be rain and snow melt runoff
um off of those roofs, you know, going

424
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:58,480
right toward the wetland. Doesn't look
like there's an erosion problem in this

425
00:37:55,359 --> 00:38:03,280
photo, but you know there would you have
to take a closer look at it.

426
00:38:00,240 --> 00:38:07,599
» There's a gravel axis that rubs.
>> Oh, that's gravel. That's gravel.

427
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:12,560
» I think it's probably for
>> Yes. Yeah. It's gravel.

428
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:17,760
» Yeah. So, if it's if there's already
gravel there, you know, the drainage is

429
00:38:14,720 --> 00:38:22,880
probably not a concern. Um, but I mean,
that's certainly a legitimate point to

430
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,880
bring up.

431
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:33,599
to see it. Okay. So, I mean all
So, what's the what's the the right

432
00:38:30,720 --> 00:38:40,320
here? So, it's outside of this in take
it down to the premises building.

433
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:45,280
» And we could certainly ask that Ian
maybe go back there and take a look at

434
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:48,560
it if he sees anything of concern.
>> Um, he could certainly let us know and

435
00:38:47,119 --> 00:38:54,240
then and then we could, you know, deal
with it from there. I mean, it's there's

436
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:57,839
nothing jumping out at me just by
looking at the photo, but yeah, it's

437
00:38:55,920 --> 00:39:01,040
just it's just a photo. And there
probably should have been Yeah. some

438
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:04,640
contact made with this commission before
that was done at least to say, "Do we

439
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:07,880
need to file?"
>> Yeah. Right.

440
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:12,280
» It's just it's clearly inside.

441
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:24,760
» It's outside. It's inside the 50ft
buffer zone. Oh, it's closer than that.

442
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,760
It's within the 25.

443
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:29,960
» The green is the theation.

444
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:39,119
» So,
that seems like a good thing. It's just

445
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:43,440
a field inspection just letting you know
to

446
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:48,800
but uh you have answered all the
questions on it.

447
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:52,480
» Were the blowers always there? Yes, sir.
They were always there. Correct. They've

448
00:39:50,240 --> 00:39:58,960
been there. I think the building's been
um they element has been there for 30 38

449
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:02,200
years and the blowers have always been
there. Correct.

450
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:14,560
» Well, I I don't have any more questions
at this time. So then I guess so what's

451
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:20,160
the the next step here would be we would
get an email report for Vienna on this

452
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:25,680
findings there and then we would
consider this I guess it's my fault to

453
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:31,520
be to write the
conditions

454
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:34,640
for this for a future consult.
Yeah, that's correct. And our next

455
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:38,400
meeting, I believe, is scheduled for the
16th.

456
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:45,839
Um,
we can probably close out then and um

457
00:40:43,119 --> 00:40:51,839
have those order the conditions order of
conditions drafted for that meeting.

458
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:57,760
» Um, so when you when when you talk about
Ian's findings, what what are you

459
00:40:53,440 --> 00:41:03,599
referring to? uh on if the if there's
anything objectionable about the

460
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:07,920
conditions of the bywood outfield.
>> Yeah, I don't I don't I don't think we

461
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:09,359
need to link that.
>> Um

462
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:12,880
» keep that separate.
>> Have you have you by any chance done a

463
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:17,839
site visit to look at
>> No, not those.

464
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:22,240
» Um I I mean I don't know that we really
need him to do that at least not at this

465
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:26,960
point. But I don't know how the rest of
you feel.

466
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:33,280
» Well, we probably should have a look at
them just to do due diligence.

467
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:36,319
» Yeah, I don't I don't disagree, but I
mean does do it does that need to be

468
00:41:35,119 --> 00:41:40,880
done at this point?
>> Well, okay. So, that's not going to stop

469
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:49,280
me from working on work conditions.
However, so for instance, BM finds

470
00:41:44,319 --> 00:41:52,480
evidence of erosion runoff,
>> right? Um

471
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:58,000
» that that might be a
>> Yeah, I again that's I think that's a

472
00:41:54,240 --> 00:42:02,560
separate process. Um I mean I guess
theoretically we put we could put that

473
00:41:59,839 --> 00:42:04,880
as a condition in this order, but I I
don't think that's the best way to do

474
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:10,480
it.
>> Okay. Well, like I said, this it's uh

475
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:17,760
it's it certainly is an interesting
discovery. Uh and so I definitely

476
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:22,079
because I can I can see a reason for not
making it an impediment to going forward

477
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:26,480
with this. It's it's another
pre-existing condition has nothing to do

478
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:30,400
with your right.
So linking so making an impediment to

479
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:32,720
that is
>> is out of scope.

480
00:42:31,359 --> 00:42:37,680
» I mean we we should we should have been
contacted. No doubt about that. But but

481
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:41,119
but we weren't and again I'm not seeing
anything obvious in this photo that

482
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:46,079
there's a problem but I mean yeah we
could ask Ian to take a look at it you

483
00:42:43,359 --> 00:42:51,760
know at some point and you know let us
yeah let us know his findings. Um we can

484
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:56,400
I think we should also talk a little bit
right now about you know some of the

485
00:42:53,839 --> 00:43:01,520
conditions to to put in. I have some
ideas about that.

486
00:42:59,119 --> 00:43:06,960
So, uh, I'm all ears.
>> Okay. So, I think, um, as you sort of

487
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:10,640
touched on earlier, um, I think there
should definitely should be a condition

488
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:16,480
in there that,
um, and maybe this maybe this isn't the

489
00:43:13,839 --> 00:43:21,680
right term, but once, but I'll just call
it the architectural plans. I think we

490
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:25,200
should there needs to be a condition in
there that we get a copy of that. You

491
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:30,640
know, the same thing that's submitted to
the building department. Uh, I think I

492
00:43:28,079 --> 00:43:36,560
think that that should um yeah, also
include the plans for the subbase and

493
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:42,000
that probably and maybe it makes the
most sense for that to come from the

494
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:48,720
contractor. Um, you know, we'll
certainly leave that up to the

495
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:57,280
applicant. Um, another another thing I'm
wondering is do we do and speaking of

496
00:43:53,200 --> 00:44:02,160
roof runoff, do do we want to do put
anything in the plans in the

497
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:08,640
architectural plans to deal to deal with
with that for this this new building? Uh

498
00:44:06,720 --> 00:44:14,000
s certainly I don't think it would be
very difficult to just put a a crush

499
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:20,960
stone via the trench that goes around
the perimeter of the base. Um and I

500
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:28,400
don't I don't I don't know. So so so Ron
um Ron Ron off Ron online. Okay.

501
00:44:25,839 --> 00:44:32,000
» So So what is what is the shape of the
roof? Is is the roof flat?

502
00:44:30,720 --> 00:44:35,760
» Yeah.
>> I'm referring to the

503
00:44:33,359 --> 00:44:39,839
» the ConX box. Yes.
>> Yes. Yes. It is flat roof.

504
00:44:38,079 --> 00:44:46,319
» Flat roof. But it has the chillers on
top so they wouldn't just run off.

505
00:44:44,240 --> 00:44:52,720
» Yeah.
>> No. Yeah. I can't.

506
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:55,119
» Do you mind if I jump through that?
>> Yeah.

507
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:59,680
» I think I put in there.
>> It's probably a metal. Yeah. Well, the

508
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:02,480
comics box metal.
>> Yes, it's steel.

509
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:09,560
Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.

510
00:45:11,119 --> 00:45:15,920
» Is it a like sketch or something?
>> Yeah, it's like a

511
00:45:15,359 --> 00:45:20,160
kit.
>> Uh, is it on the plan itself?

512
00:45:19,119 --> 00:45:24,839
» No.
>> Like a detail engineering detail?

513
00:45:21,839 --> 00:45:24,839
» Yeah.

514
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:33,599
think maybe I didn't because I thought
it might be

515
00:45:30,720 --> 00:45:37,720
» I could uh I can run one over tomorrow.
I have I have photo.

516
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:46,079
» Yeah. So, so that conx right that's an
abbreviation for what?

517
00:45:44,079 --> 00:45:50,560
» Uh that's a very good question. I just
know it's a

518
00:45:47,839 --> 00:45:55,920
» it's a manufacturer they for conx. I
when I looked up ConX uh like container

519
00:45:53,680 --> 00:46:00,560
I believe that's the shipping container
and you're saying that something's

520
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:04,800
within it. Um I mean I looked it up I'
I'd show it here but I don't think we

521
00:46:02,720 --> 00:46:09,319
need to. It's literally all that came up
where shipping containers. Um

522
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:24,240
» inside the pot.
>> Yeah. Basically those two

523
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:29,040
sticking out from the top. So it's
almost two identical

524
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:33,359
» and chillers I think is is being
generous with they're just kind of like

525
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:39,240
changes.
>> Yeah. Are they the same um like model

526
00:46:36,240 --> 00:46:39,240
too?

527
00:46:39,359 --> 00:46:45,920
» Negative. Those are those that you're we
see on the photo I we don't know what

528
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:50,400
those are. There's no documentation make
a model. I don't know. I don't know

529
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:55,040
where they got those.
>> So I I tried to find out, but anybody

530
00:46:52,560 --> 00:47:00,319
that would have known um whoever put
those in there 30 something years ago,

531
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:05,280
they're long gone now and nobody has any
information.

532
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:12,000
Well, my what what I'm concerned about
what I'm asking about is is there is I

533
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:18,160
mean rain falling on this thing has got
to go somewhere. I mean so it I would

534
00:47:14,720 --> 00:47:25,040
think it would run off the edge whether
the roof is um tilted or not. Um and and

535
00:47:23,119 --> 00:47:29,760
and I'm wondering just wondering
thinking um

536
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:35,599
you know does it does it make sense to
put something uh lining the perimeter

537
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:39,119
underneath the the drip? I don't know if
there's like there's a drip edge or

538
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:43,920
anything like that. Um I mean it doesn't
have to be very complicated, you know. I

539
00:47:41,119 --> 00:47:49,200
think just maybe a foot wide, you know,
crushed down filled trench would do the

540
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:51,599
do the trick. But but but maybe maybe
you know if we could get more

541
00:47:50,240 --> 00:47:56,880
information on that from the
manufacturer or the contractor maybe

542
00:47:54,160 --> 00:48:01,599
maybe they'll say you know that's not
going to be a problem. I mean

543
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:05,839
» yeah not a problem. I'll uh the general
contractor is going to oversee all

544
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:11,599
construction. He has all the prints so
he can uh I'll let him bring that up and

545
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:17,000
discuss that best course of
>> the sketch of

546
00:48:13,599 --> 00:48:17,000
» it came from

547
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:21,240
you know
>> sounds good

548
00:48:22,720 --> 00:48:30,800
» it looks like a shipping container and
then the it looks like a business

549
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:36,480
shipping container it looks like that
so so yeah to

550
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:41,359
that. So some
>> yeah and I I think that's a reasonable

551
00:48:39,359 --> 00:48:46,000
request. I think the general contract
would probably be happy to have the

552
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:50,000
extra space around it initially working
and it would provide to the dirt

553
00:48:48,079 --> 00:48:54,880
northern part
and you probably thought it does need to

554
00:48:53,359 --> 00:49:00,920
meet the storm water standards. So
actually that'll help me little

555
00:49:03,359 --> 00:49:13,839
» um then then another thing that I think
should go in their condition for a a

556
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:20,720
detailed chronological work sequence
um for for both the the installation of

557
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:27,720
the new um
structure and removal of the the

558
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:27,720
as well.

559
00:49:28,079 --> 00:49:33,520
» Right. So you so you gave us a verbal
narrative, but we can Yeah, we provide

560
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:37,200
that direction
>> and that probably should I would think

561
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:41,200
again should come from the contractor
because they're the ones that are going

562
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:47,040
to be, you know, the best vers in that
know exactly what they're doing

563
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:52,000
» and and what you what you said all makes
sense, right? Just minimize the

564
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:56,960
downtime. We build new system, get it
all checked out,

565
00:49:53,280 --> 00:50:01,200
» and get it running and then decomp.
>> Yeah, we're hoping for like a two-day

566
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:06,079
shutdown
just to do a quick changeover.

567
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:14,160
» Then then I would I would also put in
there that that the corners of the uh

568
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:20,640
the new structure be staked
prior to the start of any excavation.

569
00:50:17,599 --> 00:50:27,440
And I guess I ideally I'd like to have
Ian go out and just double check for

570
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:27,440
them if he's able to do that.

571
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:43,920
And then I don't I I don't think it
would be um unreasonable for you to

572
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:48,880
request the building department check
with you first before they actually

573
00:50:46,079 --> 00:50:52,960
issue the permit, you know, whether all
of the the preconstruction requirements

574
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:56,359
have been satisfied. Absolutely. The
order of conditions.

575
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:09,920
And then I think just the other one was
the removal of the excavated soil off

576
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:12,559
site.
>> So I think that's all I can think of at

577
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:18,480
the moment. Maybe I'll think of
something else couple of weeks.

578
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:24,119
» Right. Well, let's excavate soil on that
building. I think you already covered

579
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:24,119
the fil.

580
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:30,079
So you remove it then put it new stuff.
>> Yeah.

581
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:33,760
» Yeah. You probably included a
restoration plan.

582
00:51:32,240 --> 00:51:38,640
» I put in the narrative. I think just
that it'll be

583
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:41,640
with
restoration.

584
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:49,839
» I think it's just dry dry restoration
for dry sites.

585
00:51:47,599 --> 00:51:53,160
see makes I can provide anything you
want them

586
00:51:56,640 --> 00:52:04,720
as far as perpetual sort of uh additions
right is so so so this is what we've

587
00:52:02,240 --> 00:52:10,800
discussed there's a lot of construction
that we now do once it's as

588
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:15,839
destruction's done
with the

589
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:21,599
perpetual orders of condition right
there's I there's no

590
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:25,280
there's no new
you're not creating new land that we

591
00:52:23,839 --> 00:52:32,000
have to wait till it's seated and
stabilized. We don't have to worry about

592
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:36,640
that. There's no uh raid stabilization
that has to be done here.

593
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:41,280
» Well, uh and actually um that's that's a
good point. We didn't we didn't ask this

594
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:45,520
yet, but what is there any sort of you
know like regular maintenance that needs

595
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:50,480
to be done you know on the outside? does
mean does any kind of equipment need to

596
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:55,200
get in there on a regular basis, Ron?
>> Uh, negative. According to Process

597
00:52:52,400 --> 00:53:01,599
Cooling, um, there'll be minimal there
be some heat exchangers on the inside of

598
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:06,240
the um, ConX box that they'll they'll
shut down. They'll have bypass valves,

599
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:11,920
bypass the heat exchangers, and they
clean the core with a wire brush and the

600
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:16,160
shop vac and and then put the bypass
back in. And, uh, that's about it for

601
00:53:14,240 --> 00:53:21,599
maintenance. It's all basically hand
tools. Hand tools.

602
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:24,640
» And And of course that that area back
there is mowed regularly, right? And

603
00:53:23,599 --> 00:53:30,240
then that will continue.
>> Yes, we have a uh we have a um a

604
00:53:27,599 --> 00:53:35,839
landscaper that mows it once a week.
>> So we probably should include explicitly

605
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:39,559
include that as that. That's allowed as
a perpetual condition.

606
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:45,920
» Just regular bullying.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I mean that's that's they're

607
00:53:43,599 --> 00:53:51,800
doing that anyway but it wouldn't hurt
>> just to actually

608
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,800
» okay

609
00:53:54,079 --> 00:54:03,760
because you already access
so there's no extra

610
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:09,280
access road or anything needed there
right and I yeah so there's no road

611
00:54:06,720 --> 00:54:12,640
proposed there those two wells are
actually right

612
00:54:10,079 --> 00:54:16,480
» oh but but then but Then um that
actually I just thought of something

613
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:21,119
else. So so I think on on the plan like
on the architectural plan or it could

614
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:27,119
even be a separate plan. I think we need
to see the location of where the crane

615
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:31,839
is going to be staged.
>> Um crane that lowers this in. We we need

616
00:54:29,839 --> 00:54:34,880
to maybe that can just be added to this
plant. You know you know leave that up

617
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:38,280
to you. But I think I think we do need
to see that.

618
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:49,680
That's pure because you want to make
sure that it's not

619
00:54:47,119 --> 00:54:53,839
end up being
further encroaching into the buffer. So

620
00:54:51,839 --> 00:54:58,559
if you can have
>> I think generally it

621
00:54:56,319 --> 00:55:03,040
» yeah I mean I think
>> there are certainly cranes that are

622
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:08,720
large enough where it could be staged
outside the buffer zone. I um sorry to

623
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:15,839
interrupt. If I if I remember process
cooling um dealing with the the the um

624
00:55:12,720 --> 00:55:19,359
PM and the engineers, they were going to
stage the crane in the front parking

625
00:55:17,839 --> 00:55:20,559
lot.
>> Um

626
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:24,640
» Okay.
>> And then they go go right over that

627
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:27,839
corner of the building and set it right
down.

628
00:55:26,319 --> 00:55:32,000
» And that's certainly outside the buffer
zone.

629
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:39,480
» Correct. So, so maybe maybe maybe that
could only be a note added to this plan.

630
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:39,480
Again, leave that up to you.

631
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:07,160
It's got a clear
two. Yeah,

632
00:56:14,319 --> 00:56:19,920
» enough to get started with.
>> Yeah.

633
00:56:16,720 --> 00:56:25,520
» Okay. Right. So then Okay. So just doing
a presumptive close here. I've got a

634
00:56:21,839 --> 00:56:31,040
list of nine conditions here that
happened before construction and two

635
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:34,960
that happened after minimal maintenance.
Minimal maintenance is required, but the

636
00:56:32,799 --> 00:56:40,400
number is allowed and lower landscaping
is allowed. Right? Just you have access

637
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:48,000
permitted from for the regular
maintenance to the to the enclosure and

638
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:52,240
uh access permitted for regular mowing
and landscaping of the area out there.

639
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:56,720
So that's what perpetual conditions.
There's no other

640
00:56:54,799 --> 00:57:00,400
do they need to store any chemicals out
there in the

641
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:02,960
in the mechanical room. We need to store
any chemicals.

642
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:06,160
» No. Uh no sir, there won't be any
chemicals in there.

643
00:57:04,720 --> 00:57:11,880
» So that that should certainly be a
perpetual conditioning file.

644
00:57:08,559 --> 00:57:11,880
» No chemicals.

645
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:18,599
Okay,
which should be an easy one.

646
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:22,520
the search.

647
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:32,319
Okay. So then, okay. So we have present
to close three eventual conditions. Nine

648
00:57:29,839 --> 00:57:37,760
things have to do before the
construction begins.

649
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:43,839
Um
the next meeting is in two weeks. That

650
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:53,240
will mean for many other would have to
be done like next week and put out

651
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:53,240
It's certainly possible.

652
00:57:53,839 --> 00:58:02,640
» Well, what what what what we can do is
we can keep the hearing open.

653
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:05,200
» Yeah.
>> Oh, okay.

654
00:58:03,839 --> 00:58:08,760
» Okay. So, that takes a little bit of
pressure off you.

655
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:17,040
So, so
I'll do the best I can.

656
00:58:14,079 --> 00:58:20,920
So add something
although it seems

657
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:27,599
» all continue the
>> well continue the hearing.

658
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:31,119
» Yeah, we'll continue the hearing and
then if we close it next time,

659
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:36,000
theoretically you'll you'll then have
another three weeks to uh get the order

660
00:58:34,559 --> 00:58:43,319
out. But if you pretty much already
drafted it, it shouldn't take you that

661
00:58:38,079 --> 00:58:43,319
long. Okay, sounds good.

662
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:53,280
So, uh, if we don't need any additional
information, is there, um, a, um, a

663
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:57,040
motion to continue the air to August
16th?

664
00:58:55,520 --> 00:59:02,640
» September 16th.
>> Oh, September 16th. Sorry.

665
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:06,960
And what is usually 7:45, right?
>> Yep.

666
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:12,880
» So,
>> has that been moved in second? Yeah.

667
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:20,400
» So, so moved in a second to continue
this hearing to September 16th at 7:45.

668
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:25,200
Um, all those in favor say I.
>> I. Um.

669
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:29,119
All post say no. No. That motion is
unanimous.

670
00:59:26,799 --> 00:59:32,720
» Okay.
>> Wonderful.

671
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:37,280
» Thank you, Rob. Thank you, Rob.
>> Thank Thanks for your time, gentlemen.

672
00:59:34,559 --> 00:59:40,599
Have a good night.
Yeah, probably

673
00:59:52,319 --> 01:00:00,559
» and I asked my coworker child about damn
photos and he said Scott

674
00:59:59,119 --> 01:00:06,160
» wonderful. Wonderful.
>> He did take them.

675
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:13,160
» I could tell him to send him a few.
Thanks, Ron. All right.

676
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:13,160
» All right. Let's see.

677
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:22,559
» All right. So, we have one more piece of
correspondence. Honestly, I didn't dig

678
01:00:20,319 --> 01:00:28,240
my teeth too much into this, but let's
go into it. We have a proposal for a

679
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:36,359
seed and micro library and community
education program. We want to take we

680
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:36,359
can take a minute to review this.

681
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:48,960
So, who is this from
>> and where?

682
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:56,000
» Um, it is from
Lubby Castle and uh it's proposed at the

683
01:00:53,599 --> 01:01:00,319
Sergeant Memorial Library.
Residents will be able to borrow seeds,

684
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:04,160
grow them at home.
Littleton.

685
01:01:02,559 --> 01:01:08,640
» Oh, is this like what they're doing at
the Littleton Library? Oh. Oh, yeah. I

686
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:13,480
really like that.
>> That That's really great what they've

687
01:01:10,079 --> 01:01:13,480
done out there.

688
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:17,160
» So,

689
01:01:24,799 --> 01:01:30,480
» yeah. At the bottom, she says, "I
respectfully request a brief meeting or

690
01:01:28,559 --> 01:01:33,760
conversation with the ad comedy consom
to discuss feasibility and

691
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:37,839
collaboration, guidance on native
plants, pollinators, and save seed

692
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:42,960
saving best practices, support, and
connecting with local gardeners and

693
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:47,040
farms who may wish to contribute seeds."
>> Yeah. What's that like?

694
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:50,640
» Yeah, absolutely. This is
>> is this something that would interest

695
01:01:48,799 --> 01:01:57,200
the commission in having her come in or
is this something that um

696
01:01:54,480 --> 01:02:05,280
you would want like me to handle on my
own? I I'm perfectly fine with either.

697
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:09,680
» Well, um yeah, and I think I'm okay as
well, but but I would definitely

698
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:14,720
recommend if she hasn't already to take
a look at what they've done at the

699
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:20,319
Littleton Library. Yeah, I think they've
done a great job up there that that will

700
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:25,440
give her um some very definite uh ideas.
I think and and and I would and I again

701
01:02:23,119 --> 01:02:30,000
I would I would like to see you know um
a specific proposal

702
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:35,599
um and if and if she yeah and if you
know after she reviews the little thing

703
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:40,160
if if if she still if she feels she
still would like recommendations from

704
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:45,599
this commission as to like species to
plant whatever. Yeah, that and I think

705
01:02:42,559 --> 01:02:51,599
we could meet with her. Sounds good.
>> Doesn't Doesn't she also to involve

706
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:54,960
director of the library?
>> I sure like space the library for this.

707
01:02:54,640 --> 01:03:00,559
So,
>> it would certainly be a good thing. It

708
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:05,359
is owned by the town. So, um
>> not sure she would need to, but you're

709
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:10,400
right. It should be something that is is
up.

710
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:17,760
» I'm guessing that one get
>> Yeah. Yes. Yeah, this is this is stuff.

711
01:03:13,119 --> 01:03:21,839
So, okay. So, that that question is adex
listed.

712
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:25,039
» Yeah, that's a good question. I I I'll
reach out to her and make sure that she

713
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:31,520
knows when adcom's meeting. We received
this without uh any without pushing her

714
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:37,200
or anything. So, I'm guessing that Adcom
will be reviewing this same thing at

715
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:43,440
their meeting next Tuesday. Um
>> yeah. So, so, so to

716
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:45,920
» is is friendly to this post.
>> Yes.

717
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:49,640
» Yeah, I can
>> think that should also

718
01:03:50,880 --> 01:04:01,839
» perhaps just you as the exchange point
say the next step would be to to take it

719
01:04:00,559 --> 01:04:07,280
to the librarian.
>> Yes,

720
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:13,039
» this concom think this is a good idea.
How would you suppose this be made a

721
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:17,839
real thing,
>> right? Because there's got to have space

722
01:04:15,039 --> 01:04:21,680
of the library
space of something else

723
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:25,200
over land.
>> Yeah, there might be space.

724
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:27,440
» Well, yes, but the person who would know
that is

725
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:32,400
» it's based on Yeah.
>> Correct. I mean, I I would think that

726
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:36,319
since she's proposing this at the
library, she must have she must already

727
01:04:34,559 --> 01:04:37,200
have some thoughts about where it would
go.

728
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:44,240
» Yeah.
>> Up there.

729
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:46,640
» Two two pods that
perhaps

730
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:52,319
put
>> she's not asking us for any money. At

731
01:04:49,119 --> 01:04:58,319
least not yet. I'm certainly open to
some funding if speak

732
01:04:55,760 --> 01:05:02,160
» that she decides that's what she would
like.

733
01:04:59,680 --> 01:05:06,240
» So, hope that's enough to wonderful.
Yeah, I'll reach I'll reach back out to

734
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:11,920
her.
Um, great. And then let's go to

735
01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:17,839
I guess it's just the planners report,
right? This is a fun one.

736
01:05:15,039 --> 01:05:23,920
Um, do I have other things? Yeah. So,
uh, I'll go quickly through three

737
01:05:21,599 --> 01:05:29,039
different potential things we have down
the pipeline. Campelli, I had briefly

738
01:05:26,319 --> 01:05:34,160
mentioned, uh, a meeting or two ago,
and, um, Alec had spoken with him and

739
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:38,400
said that he does not believe,
Campanelli said that they do not believe

740
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:42,480
that these next two developments will
require any filings. So, I'll keep an

741
01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:46,160
eye out for that. And obviously when
those come into the um planning board,

742
01:05:44,799 --> 01:05:49,839
the first thing I'll be doing on behalf
of the consum is ensuring that they

743
01:05:48,079 --> 01:05:55,760
don't need to file anything. And if they
do um if it's minor potential RDA, uh if

744
01:05:53,760 --> 01:06:01,839
it's something projectw worthy, then
obviously an OI. Um but I'll be keeping

745
01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:07,760
an eye on that. uh the firehouse uh
going in at 984 Massav. There was a

746
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:13,440
pre-development meeting between the
architects and engineers and some of the

747
01:06:10,079 --> 01:06:18,880
town staff, fire department, Alec and I
um and some other other folks uh

748
01:06:16,079 --> 01:06:23,200
interested in the project. Um they have
not yet submitted anything formally to

749
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:28,480
the planning board. Um it is looking
like there might be an uh RDA with that

750
01:06:25,839 --> 01:06:34,480
one. Um
it's the wetlands is across the street

751
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:40,000
at 975 Mass avenue. You guys will
remember we had that project last year

752
01:06:37,119 --> 01:06:46,480
and um it's it seems minimal enough
where it crosses the state highway. Um

753
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:50,079
so we'll see once the final project is
proposed and submitted to the planning

754
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:54,559
board. Um but they have already
identified the wetland buffer and I

755
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:58,400
can't remember exactly what it is.
definitely not uh able to share the

756
01:06:56,480 --> 01:07:04,480
plans right now, but I think it was like
maybe two or three parking lots that

757
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:08,880
crossed into the 100 foot buffer. So, um
>> Well, and and some of that's going to be

758
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:11,440
dependent on what the proposed for storm
water management.

759
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:16,400
» Yes, absolutely.
>> Um so, is there is there I should know

760
01:07:13,839 --> 01:07:21,839
the answer to this question. Is is there
a a a town storm water management bylaw?

761
01:07:20,079 --> 01:07:26,240
Yes, there's a for the planning board
they have to submit a storm water man

762
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:31,039
they have to apply for a storm water
management permit. It's very similar to

763
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:35,039
kind of what we just saw with this NOI.
Um but yeah, a lot of that is also

764
01:07:33,359 --> 01:07:41,039
handled with the town engineer. I won't
pretend I know everything about storm

765
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:46,319
water um uh you know measurements and
and the things that uh we have we're so

766
01:07:43,599 --> 01:07:49,599
lucky to have Sue deal with.
Um,

767
01:07:47,839 --> 01:07:54,000
and then
is that and then we have another one

768
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:57,119
perspective uh NOI that might might be
coming up within the next couple weeks.

769
01:07:55,359 --> 01:08:02,319
I honestly can't remember the address of
it, but we did have someone asking about

770
01:07:59,359 --> 01:08:06,319
um filing fees for the NOI that they
plan to um file with us so we can keep

771
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:11,359
an eye out for that. We will be getting
busier. So with that, Mary and I will be

772
01:08:09,039 --> 01:08:16,719
keeping a tighter schedule of when
things are due. Um, obviously she's

773
01:08:14,160 --> 01:08:22,159
always on top of when things are posted.
Um, but with that I will be working with

774
01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:29,440
Liz to uh if Liz isn't around then I'll
be looking to appoint a reviewer. Um,

775
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:34,000
and getting everything to folks as early
as possible. Um, ideally like a week

776
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:38,640
before when when everything's posted and
we have all the submissions. Um, yeah.

777
01:08:36,799 --> 01:08:42,799
» So, so when you say busy, you mean from
a regulatory perspective? 5 months?

778
01:08:41,359 --> 01:08:48,159
» Yes.
Yep. Uh, you know, the Campan Alley I

779
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:52,719
said is a maybe, but the Firehouse um
and this other potential one, those are

780
01:08:50,239 --> 01:08:58,080
two on the horizon that we uh we're
pretty certain of we'll be dealing with.

781
01:08:54,960 --> 01:09:03,759
Um, whether they're RDAs or NOIs. Um,
yeah, we'll be finding that out shortly.

782
01:09:00,159 --> 01:09:10,319
But, um, let's see what else. The OSRP
ice cream social was a week from this

783
01:09:07,359 --> 01:09:14,560
past Saturday. Um, we had some pretty
unfortunate weather. It was like very

784
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:19,279
misty. It wasn't raining enough to um
cancel it completely, but we did get I

785
01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:25,359
think about 16 folks come by, mostly
members of of like Adcom

786
01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:29,040
um and I know Liz was there and we did
get some residents who had just heard

787
01:09:26,799 --> 01:09:34,560
about it online. So, that was great. Um
luckily those uh things that I made for

788
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:38,000
the event are going to be able to be
kind of recycled and brought to other

789
01:09:36,159 --> 01:09:45,359
town events. So, it's not a complete
wash, but um more importantly, we have a

790
01:09:42,480 --> 01:09:51,600
potential EO enforcement order that I
had begun drafting today um because I

791
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:59,520
had been notified by a resident
about tree clearings uh along Massav.

792
01:09:54,320 --> 01:10:06,280
So, let me first where Yeah. So, let me
first um

793
01:10:02,480 --> 01:10:06,280
just pull this up.

794
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:20,560
It doesn't load.
There we go.

795
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:26,560
So, they did have a filing for an NOI
back in I think 2004, 2005. We don't

796
01:10:23,679 --> 01:10:30,080
have those files on us. Uh or Mary went
digging for them. She found the order of

797
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:35,120
conditions in the certificate. Um but we
couldn't find the plans. But that's over

798
01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:39,600
20 years ago. Um, I did check Mass
Mapper and uh our assessor's database.

799
01:10:38,159 --> 01:10:45,040
It seems like there is very clearly
wetlands in the area and it looks like

800
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:49,679
the limit of their tree clearing on the
back side of their property. Um,

801
01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:55,040
definitely
most likely um encroaches either on

802
01:10:52,719 --> 01:11:00,400
wetland or most definitely within the
buffer zone. With that, I let the

803
01:10:57,120 --> 01:11:04,640
building commissioner know yesterday and
um we will be potentially doing

804
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:10,320
something about it tomorrow. But with
that, I had drafted an enforcement

805
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:14,159
order. Um I have some photos as well,
but any of this that you guys would like

806
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:17,320
more information on, I'd be happy to let
you know.

807
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:27,199
» So what So what's an enforcement order?
Yeah, the enforcement order is also new

808
01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:32,560
to me. I've never had to deal with one,
but um it is pretty self-explanatory

809
01:11:29,440 --> 01:11:37,360
once you look at the the WPA form. Um
I'll show you guys that in just a

810
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:43,040
second. I'll show you the other picture.
There was a huge tree on this side if

811
01:11:40,239 --> 01:11:47,760
you can see it here. It looked bigger in
real life, but probably at least four or

812
01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:56,239
five foot diameter.
No, this is Flamingo

813
01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:58,560
Market. Uh after Olympia and Oscars.
>> Yes. Great vine.

814
01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:02,239
» Yeah.
>> So So it's in back of there.

815
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:06,960
» It is on the back side of there.
>> The Conservation Commission now owns

816
01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:10,640
that that 7.6 acres.
>> That's correct.

817
01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:17,960
» Not on our land, is it?
>> It doesn't. It doesn't look like it, but

818
01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:17,960
it also it we don't know. It may be

819
01:12:23,440 --> 01:12:27,360
Yes.
>> Yeah.

820
01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:31,400
» I believe we accepted that at the end of
last year.

821
01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:31,400
» Yeah.

822
01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:40,880
» Nope. We haven't had any direct contact
with them, but this might be our first

823
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:45,120
here. Um, so let me pull up this
enforcement order. Dave, I'm sure you're

824
01:12:42,719 --> 01:12:51,280
very familiar with this. um enforcement
order issued by Conscom to this is the

825
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:54,800
owner listed uh address significant tree
clearing. So if you want me to move

826
01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:58,640
change any of this again this is a draft
I'd be happy to

827
01:12:57,040 --> 01:13:04,280
significant tree clearing and removal
within the buffer zone across the entire

828
01:13:00,480 --> 01:13:04,280
southern half of the property.

829
01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:10,800
» Well, but it says it says the buffer
zone.

830
01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:14,560
» Yeah.
>> Well, that's that that's going to be

831
01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:20,159
their responsibility. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Also on the D form, I think most if not

832
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:25,199
all of this is um so finding the
activity has been is being conducted in

833
01:13:23,440 --> 01:13:28,960
an area subject to the protection of the
wetlands protection act or the buffer

834
01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:35,679
zone without approval from the issuing
authority. Um and then there's other

835
01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:39,199
parts of this. The activity does violate
the provisions in the certificate of

836
01:13:37,440 --> 01:13:43,679
compliance. I look back
>> um conditions.

837
01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:51,840
» Yep. the essentially same boilerplate uh
perpetual conditions that we uh this is

838
01:13:49,120 --> 01:13:57,520
so I can also get confirmation but this
is a certificate without our written

839
01:13:54,560 --> 01:14:01,760
conditions. What I did was look at the
order of conditions that was um recorded

840
01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:05,520
here
>> but the certificate of client should

841
01:14:03,520 --> 01:14:10,719
reference the perpetual conditions. It
just doesn't have them in the recorded

842
01:14:07,199 --> 01:14:15,280
copy at the registry because it's in the
original order here. So, let me just

843
01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:17,520
» But it doesn't have it doesn't even have
a reference to it.

844
01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:19,760
» I mean, they
>> it may

845
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:22,000
» it should
>> Yeah. Don't scroll down. Can you enlarge

846
01:14:21,679 --> 01:14:25,320
that?
>> Yeah. But

847
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:31,199
» uh keep going. Oh, hold on. There we go.
I'm going. Okay. So,

848
01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:35,040
» A through D. Thank you for that.
>> That's That's a violation of the

849
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:39,880
certificate of compliance. Yes, those
would be

850
01:14:36,159 --> 01:14:39,880
» what they are. Yes.

851
01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:49,440
» Perpetual. There we go.
>> No additional alterations of any kind

852
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:52,560
within the wetlands and the buffer zone
will be permitted without prior approval

853
01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:55,800
of the concom.
>> That's pretty.

854
01:14:55,840 --> 01:15:01,880
» Yeah, I believe A through D. And that's
the only one that really

855
01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:15,280
So it's really C because as far as we
know they haven't put any new structure

856
01:15:12,239 --> 01:15:18,960
there's no storage of chemicals but they
>> yes but

857
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:21,960
» alterations. So this second sentence of
the

858
01:15:24,719 --> 01:15:27,719
» Ci.

859
01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:41,920
Yeah. Okay. So
that so what happens then you so you say

860
01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:46,960
okay we saw you do this you violated the
orders of conditions. So yeah, we'll

861
01:15:44,480 --> 01:15:50,960
continue through this because then we
have the order. This the issuing

862
01:15:48,880 --> 01:15:54,560
authority hereby orders the following.
Property owner, his agents, permites,

863
01:15:52,560 --> 01:16:01,360
and all others shall immediately cease
and desist from any activity affecting

864
01:15:57,120 --> 01:16:05,840
the buffer zone and/or resource areas.
And then I can fill out one or two of

865
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:11,120
the following. A restoration plan shall
be filed with the issuing authority. Um,

866
01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:15,440
honor before date or complete the
attached notice of intent shall be filed

867
01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:19,360
with the issuing authority honor before
date.

868
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:24,159
» So, so go back scroll back a little bit.
Um,

869
01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:29,600
» more no. So, so yeah, the question is
the the two under the checkbox resource

870
01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:33,040
area alterations resulting from said
activity shall be corrected in the

871
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:37,280
resource areas returned to their
original conditions. I mean that when it

872
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:42,800
says a resource area there really really
refers to a wetland resource area under

873
01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:47,040
the WPA. This is just buffer zone. So I
think it really should be the next one.

874
01:16:44,159 --> 01:16:52,800
A restoration plan um shall be filed
with addition authority on or before

875
01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:56,320
date for the following you know re uh re
replanting the um the buffer zone.

876
01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:58,159
» Yeah.
>> You know with trees

877
01:16:57,280 --> 01:17:02,960
» with trees. Yeah.
>> Yeah.

878
01:16:58,719 --> 01:17:06,960
» Um and they'll be stay well. Well, well,
I would then then then I would then I

879
01:17:04,719 --> 01:17:13,600
would go down from there.
>> Um, keep keep going. Um, that um says

880
01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:19,120
where it says the property owner should
take the following action. I would say

881
01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:23,520
hire a wetland consultant to to prepare
a restoration

882
01:17:21,360 --> 01:17:27,760
a tree a tree replanting plan for the
buffer zone.

883
01:17:26,159 --> 01:17:30,000
» That seems very
>> Yeah.

884
01:17:28,159 --> 01:17:34,600
» Are there any trees resistant to
invasives?

885
01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:34,600
Yeah.

886
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:42,880
» Well,
>> I think that is an invasive technically.

887
01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:47,040
» Oh, well, he said resistant to invasive.
>> So, I mean, the way this will work is if

888
01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:51,760
they abide by it, if they comply with
it, they they they they will provide a

889
01:17:50,080 --> 01:17:56,719
restoration plan where where the
consultant will prepare a restoration

890
01:17:54,320 --> 01:18:01,040
plan and and present it here to the
commission and the commission can review

891
01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:04,719
those kinds of issues. I mean if if if
they're if they're opposing all Norway

892
01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:11,040
Naples obviously we're going to say no
to that you know

893
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:18,000
» so what was happened here was they they
had something in mind the awareness and

894
01:18:14,480 --> 01:18:23,520
what we seen with camera sees is that a
bunch of trees have been cleared cut

895
01:18:20,480 --> 01:18:30,080
down instead right we don't know if
that's the end of it we don't know

896
01:18:27,760 --> 01:18:30,080
maybe

897
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:37,080
Well, but but that they won't be able to
see the citizen very much.

898
01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:37,080
» Well,

899
01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:48,400
» well, okay. So, um first of all, they
have 60 days to appeal it um under the

900
01:18:44,960 --> 01:18:54,560
WPA. We and um also would have to be
appealed under the um the local bylaw.

901
01:18:51,920 --> 01:18:57,760
Um but but I think I think they both I
think we can double check with town

902
01:18:55,840 --> 01:19:02,080
council but I think they would both then
get appealed to superior court. You know

903
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:08,239
the the appeal of an enforcement order
is not with D. Um, and I presume if if

904
01:19:06,480 --> 01:19:13,440
they say, "Well, you know, we we want to
expand the parking lot," they'll they'll

905
01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:18,560
they'll come to that,
>> right? And then we can we can we can

906
01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:24,400
make a decision about whether we want to
modify this or we say no, you know, the

907
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:27,360
the the order of conditions says no for
permanent structures shall ever be

908
01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:32,719
permitted.
>> So, this is forcing a conversation at

909
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:40,679
the at the very least
could happen.

910
01:19:34,159 --> 01:19:40,679
to say put solar on on side roof, right?

911
01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:46,520
Yeah.
>> We don't know.

912
01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:53,520
» There's at least
>> that's

913
01:19:51,360 --> 01:19:56,880
» there's at least a 50/50 chance they'll
they'll say, "We want to come and see

914
01:19:54,960 --> 01:20:00,239
you and tell us what we want to do. Tell
you what we want to do."

915
01:19:59,280 --> 01:20:07,360
Right.
>> It's the other side of 50. Yeah. They

916
01:20:03,520 --> 01:20:13,199
get visited from the town council or
it's

917
01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:19,360
what what what happens what what what's
what's the state?

918
01:20:15,199 --> 01:20:22,320
» Well, um because if if uh so first of
all, if they have the right to appeal

919
01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:27,199
within 60 days, they have right to
appeal. If they don't appeal then and

920
01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:31,520
they don't do anything, if they if they
haven't not complied with the terms and

921
01:20:29,440 --> 01:20:36,440
conditions of the enforcement order,
then then we take them into court.

922
01:20:33,440 --> 01:20:36,440
» Yeah.

923
01:20:36,719 --> 01:20:44,880
» And it's a civil it's a civil case. Yes.
>> I think in this case, I don't see any

924
01:20:41,840 --> 01:20:49,600
crim evidence of criminal activity here.
>> Um

925
01:20:46,239 --> 01:20:52,560
» Okay. Just this is a this is a first.
Have Have you had any um contact with

926
01:20:52,080 --> 01:20:56,159
them?
>> No. Not yet.

927
01:20:53,600 --> 01:20:58,400
» So, um you'll you'll put your your name
and contact information in the

928
01:20:57,600 --> 01:21:03,440
enforcement.
>> I have that somewhere here.

929
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:08,800
» Um and hopefully hopefully if you get a
call hope, you know, um and then, you

930
01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:12,080
know, even if you don't get a call, I
think you should, you know, try and

931
01:21:10,239 --> 01:21:14,080
establish communication and ask to do a
safe visit.

932
01:21:12,880 --> 01:21:17,360
» Yeah, absolutely.
>> So, then this gets delivered to them as

933
01:21:15,920 --> 01:21:19,920
a certified letter or something.
>> Yeah.

934
01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:24,560
» Yeah. It can also be uh brought to them
in person. It says

935
01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:27,280
» signature of delivery person or
certified mail number. So Ed could bring

936
01:21:26,239 --> 01:21:31,120
it to them tomorrow.
>> Yeah.

937
01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:34,719
» Um if if if you if you send it by by
mail, you should send it by both

938
01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:38,159
certified and regular.
>> Okay.

939
01:21:35,280 --> 01:21:42,960
» Because because more often than not they
they will not accept the certified and

940
01:21:40,480 --> 01:21:49,520
that'll come back, but the regular mail
will not which means that they did

941
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:49,520
accept it. They accepted that. Okay.

942
01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:58,880
Okay, wonderful. I have my marching
orders.

943
01:21:56,560 --> 01:22:04,600
The enforcement orders can be very
interesting.

944
01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:04,600
» I'm excited.

945
01:22:09,440 --> 01:22:16,600
» Is this Are we requesting
CDC fun?

946
01:22:17,760 --> 01:22:22,239
CPC
>> looks like

947
01:22:20,320 --> 01:22:24,880
» disease.
>> Um we might

948
01:22:23,440 --> 01:22:27,920
» we haven't Yeah, we haven't discussed
that yet, but that's certainly a

949
01:22:26,320 --> 01:22:32,400
conversation we should probably have at
our next meeting. Um

950
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:37,120
» usually we have
>> Yes, we do. Um it will be another

951
01:22:35,199 --> 01:22:41,040
conversation
um that we get to have and kind of

952
01:22:40,239 --> 01:22:47,679
conjure up
>> and and you can also maybe be dependent

953
01:22:43,280 --> 01:22:51,840
on our next Perkins Woods working. Yes,
there's a possibility there. We might we

954
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:56,320
might request it might be a joint
application between this commission and

955
01:22:53,360 --> 01:22:59,199
adcom for CPA funds.
>> Yeah.

956
01:22:56,719 --> 01:23:05,639
» Something something to talk about.
>> Sure. So something will be coming.

957
01:23:01,920 --> 01:23:05,639
They're going to meet tomorrow.

958
01:23:09,199 --> 01:23:15,040
» We just don't know what it is yet. Well,
I mean, I think the 10,000 is probably

959
01:23:12,239 --> 01:23:21,159
pretty much a guarantee that request be
anything additional

960
01:23:17,600 --> 01:23:21,159
» W to be TBD.

961
01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:27,679
» Okay, that's all the business I have.
Let me just double check through this

962
01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:33,719
packet.
Uh,

963
01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:33,719
nope, that's everything I have.

964
01:23:34,239 --> 01:23:38,960
» So, anyone have anything else?

965
01:23:39,199 --> 01:23:45,400
Well, I think we just got
>> that was that was everything in the

966
01:23:42,400 --> 01:23:45,400
house.

967
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:55,880
» Um, so is there a motion to
>> I?

968
01:23:56,000 --> 01:24:03,480
» Uh, that motion is not debatable. All
those in favor say I.

969
01:24:00,480 --> 01:24:03,480
Wow.