1 00:02:31,599 --> 00:02:33,599 All right. Uh, welcome back everyone. 2 00:02:33,599 --> 00:02:35,440 Thanks for joining us tonight. Uh, 3 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:37,760 council's returning our first, uh, 4 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:39,360 meeting since we had our summer break. 5 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:41,599 So, thank you for being here tonight. 6 00:02:41,599 --> 00:02:43,599 Uh, council, everyone's here except for 7 00:02:43,599 --> 00:02:45,280 Cheryl Dean Dehaney. Councelor Dehaney 8 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:46,720 is going to join us virtually. She's 9 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:49,280 under the weather, so she with us then. 10 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:50,879 So I'll call the meeting to order at 11 00:02:50,879 --> 00:02:53,040 7:01 and I'll read a land 12 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:54,800 acknowledgement. As vis on this land, 13 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:56,720 the town of Bradford acknowledges that 14 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:58,400 the land on which we gather today is the 15 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:00,640 traditional territory of the Ishnabek 16 00:03:00,640 --> 00:03:02,959 nation which includes Ojiway, Odawa and 17 00:03:02,959 --> 00:03:04,879 Pawami nation collecting known as three 18 00:03:04,879 --> 00:03:06,720 fires confederacy. We recognize the 19 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:09,280 Hernand Chippoa and Hodeni nations have 20 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:11,280 walked on this territory over time in 21 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:13,200 times of great change. We recognize more 22 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:14,800 than ever the importance of honoring 23 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:16,400 indigenous history and culture and are 24 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:17,599 committed to moving forward the spirit 25 00:03:17,599 --> 00:03:19,599 of reconciliation, respect, and good 26 00:03:19,599 --> 00:03:21,440 health with all First Nation, Matei, and 27 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:23,680 Inuit people. 28 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:26,560 Okay, we're on to number two. We've got 29 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:28,000 uh recommendation that the regular 30 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:29,920 council committee whole agenda dated 31 00:03:29,920 --> 00:03:33,519 August 5th, 2025 be adopted as amended. 32 00:03:33,519 --> 00:03:35,200 Move second. Moved by councelor Dyke, 33 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:37,840 seconded by councelor Question, 34 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:39,599 concerns? 35 00:03:39,599 --> 00:03:41,760 Seeing none, all in favor? 36 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:43,680 Thank you 37 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:44,879 declaration pecular interest in the 38 00:03:44,879 --> 00:03:46,560 general nature you declare it now or if 39 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:48,640 you find when you get to an issue if you 40 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:50,239 find yourself in that position you can 41 00:03:50,239 --> 00:03:53,120 declare then seeing none right now we'll 42 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:55,280 move on then so we're going to move to 43 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:57,040 number four and tonight we have a 44 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:59,920 special presentation I'll just read the 45 00:03:59,920 --> 00:04:01,519 bio right now and then I'll call the 46 00:04:01,519 --> 00:04:05,599 gentleman up so Art J citizen of the 47 00:04:05,599 --> 00:04:08,159 year Art J was devoted has devoted his 48 00:04:08,159 --> 00:04:09,680 life to preserving history and improving 49 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:11,120 the infrastructure of Bradford 50 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:13,680 through published works, archival uh 51 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:15,840 archival efforts, and decades of public 52 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:17,680 service. His leadership and dedication 53 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:19,919 has left a legacy, making him a true 54 00:04:19,919 --> 00:04:21,600 exceptional citizen of the year. A 55 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:23,040 lifelong contributor to Bradford 56 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:25,280 Glumbry, Art has preserved and promoted 57 00:04:25,280 --> 00:04:26,960 the region's history through three 58 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:28,800 published books, the creation of the 59 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,040 Holland Marsh Centennial Calendar, and 60 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:32,880 the archiving of nearly a century's 61 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:35,120 worth of records, and over 6,000 62 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:37,759 historical photos. Art's legacy also 63 00:04:37,759 --> 00:04:40,080 includes decades of public service 64 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:42,000 serving as counselor, chief building 65 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,000 official, and project manager for key 66 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,000 infrastructure projects, including the 67 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:47,919 life-saving relocation of the North 68 00:04:47,919 --> 00:04:50,639 Canal. He is a founding member and past 69 00:04:50,639 --> 00:04:52,320 president of Drainage Superintendent 70 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:54,720 Association of Ontario and continues to 71 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:56,639 share his knowledge as a speaker and 72 00:04:56,639 --> 00:04:59,120 community advocate. Art Jans's passion, 73 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:00,960 leadership, and dedication has left a 74 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:03,280 lasting mark on Bradro Glumbry, making 75 00:05:03,280 --> 00:05:05,440 him truly an exceptional citizen of the 76 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:19,990 year. So congratulations Mr. Jance. 77 00:05:20,000 --> 00:06:08,630 » Thank you for coming tonight. 78 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:20,070 [Applause] 79 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:30,230 Thank you very much. 80 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:58,629 I should I think 81 00:06:58,639 --> 00:07:13,300 so. 82 00:07:13,310 --> 00:07:28,950 [Applause] 83 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:58,150 Thank you, sir. 84 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:00,240 All right, council. We're uh thank you 85 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:01,520 everyone for allowing us that 86 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:04,479 opportunity to share that uh citizen of 87 00:08:04,479 --> 00:08:07,199 the year award with Mr. Art Jance. 88 00:08:07,199 --> 00:08:08,879 Okay, we're on to deputations. There is 89 00:08:08,879 --> 00:08:13,039 none. We're at six. It's open form and I 90 00:08:13,039 --> 00:08:15,599 have right now I have one person signed 91 00:08:15,599 --> 00:08:17,599 up for open form and we have a written 92 00:08:17,599 --> 00:08:20,000 comment from form. So we'll start with 93 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,639 uh Linda Usher 94 00:08:22,639 --> 00:08:24,800 from Bonhead. Come on up. It's in the 95 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:26,960 Bonhead district. Von Head Heritage 96 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:41,269 District topic 97 00:08:41,279 --> 00:08:42,399 and when you're ready, just hit the big 98 00:08:42,399 --> 00:08:45,279 purple button. 99 00:08:45,279 --> 00:08:48,389 >> Just Just put Nope. Push it. It's on 100 00:08:48,389 --> 00:08:48,399 » Just Just put Nope. Push it. It's on 101 00:08:48,399 --> 00:08:49,600 now. 102 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:58,790 >> Thank you. 103 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,040 Good evening, Mayor Leuk and council 104 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:04,000 members. My name is Linda Usher and I am 105 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:07,040 here to address item 94, Bond Head 106 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:09,120 Heritage District on your council 107 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:11,920 agenda. Being a resident of this 108 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:14,640 fabulous community for over 50 years, I 109 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:17,279 sincerely hope that council will approve 110 00:09:17,279 --> 00:09:19,600 of this motion as it has been several 111 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:22,399 years in the development. There are many 112 00:09:22,399 --> 00:09:25,040 reasons to support this declaration. The 113 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:28,399 famous suns associated with Bondad being 114 00:09:28,399 --> 00:09:30,240 one of the oldest hamlets in Simco 115 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:33,200 County, the heritage buildings, special 116 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:36,880 events and celebrations and public book 117 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:38,399 publications. 118 00:09:38,399 --> 00:09:41,360 First four historians are Sir Francis 119 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:43,839 Bondhead, sixth lieutenant governor of 120 00:09:43,839 --> 00:09:46,560 Upper Canada and a local resident named 121 00:09:46,560 --> 00:09:49,519 the hamlet after him in his honor after 122 00:09:49,519 --> 00:09:52,160 the rebellion of 1837. 123 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:54,880 It was originally called Rags Corners, 124 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:56,800 named after the first settler who 125 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:59,279 arrived in 1829. 126 00:09:59,279 --> 00:10:01,839 Sir William Mu, Postmaster General of 127 00:10:01,839 --> 00:10:04,399 Canada. The Honorable Earl Row, 128 00:10:04,399 --> 00:10:06,640 Lieutenant Governor of Toronto and Chief 129 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:09,360 Justice of Ontario and Vice Chancellor 130 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:11,839 of the University of Toronto. He is 131 00:10:11,839 --> 00:10:13,839 actually a resident of Newton Robinson, 132 00:10:13,839 --> 00:10:16,959 but that is a very close neighbor to us. 133 00:10:16,959 --> 00:10:19,839 Sir William Oler, founder of modern 134 00:10:19,839 --> 00:10:22,880 diagnostic medicine. He is recognized 135 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:25,279 internationally throughout the world. He 136 00:10:25,279 --> 00:10:27,279 has buildings named after him in various 137 00:10:27,279 --> 00:10:30,000 countries and we've even had people come 138 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:32,880 from dist great distances to visit his 139 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:37,760 memorial plaque on line 7. In 2012 it 140 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:39,600 was declared one of the oldest hamlets 141 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:42,320 in Simco County. And for that special 142 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:45,760 recognition, a group of five volunteers, 143 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:49,040 Pat Cranston, Bev Ferguson, Barry James, 144 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:51,200 Mickey Nanowski, and myself as the 145 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:55,120 chairperson put on a 3day festival in 146 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:59,040 June to recognize our 175th anniversary 147 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:02,079 of this hamlet. All three levels of 148 00:11:02,079 --> 00:11:04,560 government supported this special event. 149 00:11:04,560 --> 00:11:07,120 And what an event it was. heritage 150 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:09,440 building walking tour. A span special 151 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:11,760 banner, the first banner for our hamlet 152 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:14,399 by the way, on the lamp post. A bond 153 00:11:14,399 --> 00:11:16,399 head stamp. 154 00:11:16,399 --> 00:11:17,600 I don't know whether you're aware of 155 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:20,079 that or not, but we actually have a 156 00:11:20,079 --> 00:11:25,279 stamp that was published that year. Um, 157 00:11:25,279 --> 00:11:28,560 sorry. A dignitaries came, lots of 158 00:11:28,560 --> 00:11:30,720 activities and entertainment and even a 159 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:32,640 professor heaven Hutchkins came all the 160 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:35,040 way from British Columbia and an 161 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:37,519 interfaith community service on Sunday 162 00:11:37,519 --> 00:11:39,600 made it possible for a donation for the 163 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:41,839 Bradford Food Bank and Matthews House 164 00:11:41,839 --> 00:11:44,240 Hospice. Also, it was the first 165 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:47,360 development of the Heritage plaques. Um, 166 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:49,120 I understand that was in the newspaper 167 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:51,760 recently and I do believe we had the 168 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:53,760 first ones. There's that banner, by the 169 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:56,079 way, in case you haven't seen it. It was 170 00:11:56,079 --> 00:11:59,360 in Bond Head and this was a stamp what 171 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:04,480 it looked like. Okay. And um as I said, 172 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:06,240 plaques were on the houses. You still 173 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:08,560 see them there on the houses in Bond 174 00:12:08,560 --> 00:12:12,320 Head as well. The volunteer um committee 175 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:15,360 organized the Oler bench uh dedication 176 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:17,920 and a Bond Head bench and ginkle tree 177 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:21,040 dedication and an old-fashioned picnic. 178 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:23,839 Also there was a book entitled 179 00:12:23,839 --> 00:12:27,920 History of Bond Head Area 175 years. 180 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:30,800 First printing was in 2020. 181 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:33,519 This was uh headed by Vera Stewart and 182 00:12:33,519 --> 00:12:36,800 volunt sorry Vera Stoddard and uh they 183 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:38,399 had volunteers that helped her. I was 184 00:12:38,399 --> 00:12:41,360 one of them. Another smaller book was 185 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:43,040 entitled, and I know I have it here 186 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:45,839 somewhere, but I'll find it. Um, about 187 00:12:45,839 --> 00:12:49,120 the plaque about the um old um plank 188 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:51,600 road. It seemed to have misplaced it, 189 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:53,519 I'm sorry. But it talked about the fact 190 00:12:53,519 --> 00:12:55,440 that I think we had the first plank road 191 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:58,079 in Ontario just outside of Bonhead 192 00:12:58,079 --> 00:13:01,760 leading into Bradford. 193 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:04,480 That was published in 1984. 194 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:07,120 Also, were you aware that Bon Head held 195 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:10,079 the first Santa Claus parade in the area 196 00:13:10,079 --> 00:13:12,560 of Bradford, Tottenham, Beaton, and 197 00:13:12,560 --> 00:13:16,560 Alist 50 years ago. And as well, there's 198 00:13:16,560 --> 00:13:19,279 a Bondhead song written and music by Joe 199 00:13:19,279 --> 00:13:22,160 Papino in 1974. 200 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:24,639 And finally, most important are the 201 00:13:24,639 --> 00:13:27,760 heritage buildings with two that are are 202 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:30,320 uh proincially designated and I believe 203 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:35,120 there's 17 on the BWG registry. There 204 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:37,279 may be others as there are 40 who are 205 00:13:37,279 --> 00:13:41,200 considered 100 years old and several 150 206 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:44,079 years old in this community. The Hamlet 207 00:13:44,079 --> 00:13:47,040 of Bondhead is a remarkable survivor 208 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:51,600 being 188 years old this year. I hope 209 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:53,600 that the extensive research over the 210 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:55,920 past several years recommends this 211 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:59,360 designation and BW council proceeds with 212 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:02,639 the needed bylaw to declare the heritage 213 00:14:02,639 --> 00:14:05,760 conservation district. Definitely Bond 214 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:08,800 Head is a historical heritage gym within 215 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:11,839 the town of BWG. It needs to be 216 00:14:11,839 --> 00:14:14,880 preserved, protected, its heritage, its 217 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:19,279 history and identity. Thank you. 218 00:14:19,279 --> 00:14:21,590 >> Oh, thank you, Linda, for that. a 219 00:14:21,590 --> 00:14:21,600 » Oh, thank you, Linda, for that. a 220 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:23,360 wonderful history lesson we had there 221 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:26,000 and I it was perfect. It was wonderful. 222 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:27,360 Good me. Oh, you found the book. 223 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:30,870 >> Life on the old plank road. It um gosh 224 00:14:30,870 --> 00:14:30,880 » Life on the old plank road. It um gosh 225 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:33,279 it was put out by the Toson West 226 00:14:33,279 --> 00:14:36,800 Willberry Historic Historical Society 227 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:39,910 1984. 228 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:42,480 » Were we the first toll road in Ontario? 229 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:45,509 >> I think it was if I correctly. Yes. The 230 00:14:45,509 --> 00:14:45,519 » I think it was if I correctly. Yes. The 231 00:14:45,519 --> 00:14:47,440 history says the first road 232 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:50,710 >> and I think it went all the way to um 233 00:14:50,710 --> 00:14:50,720 » and I think it went all the way to um 234 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:53,189 >> uh they're saying I think all the way to 235 00:14:53,189 --> 00:14:53,199 » uh they're saying I think all the way to 236 00:14:53,199 --> 00:14:54,959 just out Bradford. 237 00:14:54,959 --> 00:14:55,590 >> Yeah. 238 00:14:55,590 --> 00:14:55,600 » Yeah. 239 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:56,790 >> Yeah. 240 00:14:56,790 --> 00:14:56,800 » Yeah. 241 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:58,949 >> Yeah. Great history there. 242 00:14:58,949 --> 00:14:58,959 » Yeah. Great history there. 243 00:14:58,959 --> 00:15:00,710 >> So we're dealing with that later on our 244 00:15:00,710 --> 00:15:00,720 » So we're dealing with that later on our 245 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:02,000 agenda and if you're around and if 246 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:03,680 council has any questions or whatever 247 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:05,040 they'd like to ask this she's such an 248 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:07,040 expert in Bonhead that we would more 249 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:09,120 than welcome you up if you would uh have 250 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:10,079 any questions. 251 00:15:10,079 --> 00:15:11,590 >> The people you had looking after that 252 00:15:11,590 --> 00:15:11,600 » The people you had looking after that 253 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:13,440 did great research. had a lot of 254 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:15,440 meetings and they even had a walkabout 255 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:17,040 as well that I took part in. 256 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:19,910 >> There's a great report coming to our 257 00:15:19,910 --> 00:15:19,920 » There's a great report coming to our 258 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:21,680 council on 9.4 and we look forward to 259 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:23,760 that. So, thank you, Linda, for that. 260 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:26,480 Appreciate that very much. And then we 261 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:28,160 have a written submission. So, I'll have 262 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:33,910 the clerk read that. 263 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:35,920 » Yeah, we've received a written submit 264 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:38,639 submission submit 265 00:15:38,639 --> 00:15:41,120 written submission from Brent Felman. 266 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,199 So, I'll read that on his behalf. My 267 00:15:43,199 --> 00:15:45,120 name is Brent Felman. I think of mo most 268 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:46,959 of you know me. I would have come in 269 00:15:46,959 --> 00:15:48,560 person, but it is my son's birthday and 270 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:51,040 family comes before politics. Digital 271 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:52,800 voting may be convenient, but it's not 272 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:54,959 trustworthy or transparent. Canadians 273 00:15:54,959 --> 00:15:56,639 are increasingly losing confidence in 274 00:15:56,639 --> 00:15:59,120 our democratic processes, and continuing 275 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:01,360 to use blackbox systems without a paper 276 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:04,720 trail only fuels that distrust. A 2023 277 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:07,040 ledger poll found that just 43% of 278 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:09,600 Canadians trust elections, a sharp drop 279 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:12,399 from 58% the year before. 280 00:16:12,399 --> 00:16:15,519 In 2018, 51 Ontario municipalities using 281 00:16:15,519 --> 00:16:18,000 Dominion voting systems suffered major 282 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,000 disruptions when a bandwidth cap locked 283 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:22,720 voters out of online voting. Canada has 284 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:24,720 seen serious cyber security failures, 285 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:27,600 including 11,000 plus CRA accounts 286 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:30,880 hacked in 2020. Global Affairs Canada 287 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:33,920 cyber attack in 2022. major hospital and 288 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:36,720 RCMP systems targeted. If our federal 289 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:38,320 and provincial systems aren't secure, 290 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:40,320 how can we expect municipal digital 291 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:43,040 elections to be online voting also 292 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:45,360 removes public transparency? With paper 293 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:47,040 ballots, scrutiners and candidates can 294 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:49,040 observe the process. With digital 295 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:50,959 voting, the system counts itself, and 296 00:16:50,959 --> 00:16:52,480 there's no way for the average voter to 297 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:54,880 verify their vote was counted correctly. 298 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:56,560 Council, you have the power to restore 299 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:58,560 public confidence. Please say no to 300 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:00,560 online and telephone voting. Bring back 301 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:03,040 paper ballots. the gold standard of 302 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:05,520 transparent verifiable elections. 303 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:08,799 Respectfully, Brent Felman. 304 00:17:08,799 --> 00:17:10,630 >> All right. Thank you for that. That's uh 305 00:17:10,630 --> 00:17:10,640 » All right. Thank you for that. That's uh 306 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:12,079 dealing with we'll be dealing with that 307 00:17:12,079 --> 00:17:15,919 later on at 9.8 in our agenda. And 308 00:17:15,919 --> 00:17:17,679 there's no further open form 309 00:17:17,679 --> 00:17:20,160 submissions. 310 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:22,959 Okay. So, we're on to uh seven, adoption 311 00:17:22,959 --> 00:17:24,000 of the minutes and committee hold 312 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:26,079 recommendations. So I have 7.1 313 00:17:26,079 --> 00:17:27,439 recommendation that the minutes of the 314 00:17:27,439 --> 00:17:29,200 regular council meeting dated June 17 315 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:31,760 2025 be adopted as printed moving a 316 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:34,640 second please by deputy mayor seconded 317 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:38,320 by councelor farini question concerns 318 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:41,280 councelor Scott thanks m just a quick 319 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:44,000 one to the cio we referred the line 8 320 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,240 report and the delegation of authority 321 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:49,120 bylaw report but we didn't specify in 322 00:17:49,120 --> 00:17:50,480 the motion when we wanted them to come 323 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:52,480 back I think we said as quickly as 324 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:54,559 possible but would we be able to confirm 325 00:17:54,559 --> 00:18:01,190 a timeline on those, please. 326 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:02,960 » Thank you. Uh we expect to have both of 327 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:04,240 those reports in front of council in 328 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:08,070 September. 329 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:10,400 Okay. Any further questions, comments 330 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:12,960 with the minutes? Seeing none, all in 331 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:14,559 favor? 332 00:18:14,559 --> 00:18:17,120 Carrie. Thank you. 7.2 adoption of 333 00:18:17,120 --> 00:18:18,400 special council minutes. Recommendation 334 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:19,679 of the minutes of the special meeting of 335 00:18:19,679 --> 00:18:22,320 council dated July 2nd, 2025 be adopted 336 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:24,720 as printed. Move a second, please. 337 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:26,240 Councelor Scott, second by councelor 338 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:28,240 Dyke. Question or concerns with these 339 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:30,000 minutes? 340 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:32,720 Seeing none, all in favor? Carried. 341 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:35,120 Thank you. We're into correspondence. We 342 00:18:35,120 --> 00:18:36,799 have uh two items on correspondence. We 343 00:18:36,799 --> 00:18:38,480 have 8.1, the integrity commissioner 344 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:41,120 periodic report 2025. So, the 345 00:18:41,120 --> 00:18:42,480 recommendation that council receive the 346 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:44,960 2025 integrity commissioners periodic 347 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:47,840 report for information. I move second on 348 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:50,160 the floor by councelor Dyke, councelor 349 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:52,880 Bkite, seconded by councelor Harper. 350 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:56,870 questions, concerns with the report. 351 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:58,880 Oh, okay. Councelor Scott and Councelor 352 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:00,240 Harper. 353 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:01,990 >> Thank you again. I I'll just comment. I 354 00:19:01,990 --> 00:19:02,000 » Thank you again. I I'll just comment. I 355 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:04,880 didn't want this to go unnoticed. Uh 356 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:06,320 first, thank you to our integrity 357 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:07,840 commissioners for this thoughtful 358 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:11,039 update. We've had conversations several 359 00:19:11,039 --> 00:19:12,720 times both in public and in private 360 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,039 around what they're raising in the 361 00:19:15,039 --> 00:19:17,280 report. And I think it's worth just 362 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:18,720 dwelling on the fact that we have the 363 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:20,400 integrity commissioner formally 364 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:22,720 reminding us of what is expected of the 365 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:24,799 mayor and what's expected of council. 366 00:19:24,799 --> 00:19:26,559 Tone at the top really matters and 367 00:19:26,559 --> 00:19:28,640 respect isn't just a word that we teach 368 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:29,919 children in school. It's how we're 369 00:19:29,919 --> 00:19:31,600 expected to operate in a professional 370 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:33,760 workplace. This isn't about politics. 371 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:35,840 It's about setting standards. And the 372 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:37,600 public deserves a council that leads by 373 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:39,840 example, that listens, respects 374 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:41,919 boundaries, and models the kind of 375 00:19:41,919 --> 00:19:43,440 conduct we want to see throughout the 376 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:46,320 organization. So our job notwithstanding 377 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:48,160 so-called strong mayor powers is to set 378 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:50,000 the strategic direction and provide 379 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:52,160 oversight and we work collaboratively 380 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:54,000 with each other and with our staff to do 381 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,160 that. So it's important that staff know 382 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:58,400 that there to give frank advice and 383 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:00,799 loyal implementation as the saying goes 384 00:20:00,799 --> 00:20:02,799 and that council's got to respect that 385 00:20:02,799 --> 00:20:05,600 frank advice and has to expect the loyal 386 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:08,080 implementation. We employ you to be 387 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:10,559 experts and we need to hear your advice. 388 00:20:10,559 --> 00:20:12,320 We're not always going to agree as a 389 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:14,240 council and that's fine. But we can 390 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:16,240 disagree without crossing lines. We can 391 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:19,280 keep calm, act professionally, and when 392 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:21,120 we are confused or unsure about 393 00:20:21,120 --> 00:20:23,120 something, we can seek guidance rather 394 00:20:23,120 --> 00:20:24,799 than getting angry, whether that's about 395 00:20:24,799 --> 00:20:27,520 a policy question or a procedural one. 396 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:29,360 This report's timely. A year from now, 397 00:20:29,360 --> 00:20:31,600 we'll be electing a new council. But for 398 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:33,280 the remainder of this term, staff and 399 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:35,039 the public deserve to have confidence 400 00:20:35,039 --> 00:20:36,960 that council wants to set a good tone at 401 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,200 the top, that the character of our 402 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:41,360 elected officials matter, and that this 403 00:20:41,360 --> 00:20:42,720 is a professional workplace where 404 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:44,159 everyone deserves to be safe and 405 00:20:44,159 --> 00:20:46,240 respected. So once again, I think the 406 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:48,400 integrity commissioner has given us a 407 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:50,400 timely update on what is expected of 408 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:53,200 members of council and uh I trust the 409 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:54,640 public will hold us accountable to those 410 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:57,440 standards. 411 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:01,350 >> Thank you, Councelor Harper. 412 00:21:01,350 --> 00:21:01,360 » Thank you, Councelor Harper. 413 00:21:01,360 --> 00:21:03,760 Thank you, mayor. I appreciate the 414 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:05,200 report from integrity commissioner on 415 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:08,000 this uh from principles integrity. Uh I 416 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,159 I understand the aim that was to promote 417 00:21:10,159 --> 00:21:12,880 ethical behavior in municipal government 418 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:15,200 uh raise public trust in in elected 419 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:17,679 officials and encourage accountability, 420 00:21:17,679 --> 00:21:19,840 transparency, and respect within the 421 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,960 council and local boards. I took a 422 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:26,159 little bit uh of confusing 423 00:21:26,159 --> 00:21:28,960 um remarks from it when they failed to 424 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:30,159 actually 425 00:21:30,159 --> 00:21:33,120 report more transparency in regards to 426 00:21:33,120 --> 00:21:35,600 the amount they gave us the amount of 427 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,159 conduct or or amount of investigations. 428 00:21:38,159 --> 00:21:40,880 And while I understand the positive and 429 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,679 fostering respect and professionalism to 430 00:21:43,679 --> 00:21:47,039 try to make ethical governance uh whole 431 00:21:47,039 --> 00:21:49,039 in regards to informal processes and 432 00:21:49,039 --> 00:21:51,280 that's fine, but I believe it lacks a 433 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:54,080 little bit of transparency and and hard 434 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,000 performance data that the public 435 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,559 deserves to know. If the if the 436 00:21:58,559 --> 00:22:01,360 objective is to informally resolve most 437 00:22:01,360 --> 00:22:03,360 things and that's their goal as it says 438 00:22:03,360 --> 00:22:05,440 in the report, I understand that 439 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:07,440 direction and that's okay if it can 440 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,000 formally resolve. But the matters of 441 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,640 what types of occurrences and maybe 442 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:14,000 that's reflective in the type of 443 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:15,840 material that's being transparent to us 444 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:17,440 in regards to what they would like to 445 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:21,360 portray in the in the the messaging, but 446 00:22:21,360 --> 00:22:24,159 without fully being transparent, it it 447 00:22:24,159 --> 00:22:27,200 certainly I I would think some would 448 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,760 take it as like a lack of transparency 449 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:31,440 and I would hope that they could come 450 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:33,360 back and give us a little bit more 451 00:22:33,360 --> 00:22:35,919 detail the data and the transparency of 452 00:22:35,919 --> 00:22:39,039 what happens. um the the particular 453 00:22:39,039 --> 00:22:41,120 details don't matter, but it's about 454 00:22:41,120 --> 00:22:42,960 outlining the types of like things that 455 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:44,960 they did solve. 456 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:48,950 So, I'll just leave it at that. 457 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:53,590 Okay. Thank you, Councini. 458 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:56,480 Thank you. Um 459 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:59,039 so, this is this has been my third term 460 00:22:59,039 --> 00:23:01,919 on council and I'll be honest that I was 461 00:23:01,919 --> 00:23:03,280 kind of disappointed when I read this 462 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,320 report uh that they put forward. 463 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,559 Councelor Scott hit on quite a few 464 00:23:08,559 --> 00:23:11,520 things and he and he put it nicely. When 465 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,080 I read this, I almost felt like it was 466 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,679 um it was like a parent scolding a child 467 00:23:17,679 --> 00:23:20,559 when this came forward to me because it 468 00:23:20,559 --> 00:23:24,000 was reminding council to play nice in 469 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:25,600 the sandbox with everybody. Working 470 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:26,960 together. We're here as a group and 471 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:28,320 we're supposed to work together. We can 472 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,440 we can um disagree. That's what it's all 473 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:33,360 about. We can debate. It's all it's all 474 00:23:33,360 --> 00:23:35,919 about. But when it goes that step 475 00:23:35,919 --> 00:23:37,919 further, it's not right. And that's not 476 00:23:37,919 --> 00:23:40,320 what council is about. Uh there was a 477 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,640 section about non-disparagement and it 478 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,120 had to remind council that it's healthy 479 00:23:45,120 --> 00:23:47,520 to debate and disagree, but it's a 480 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:49,520 reminder not to attack other members of 481 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:52,640 council and name call. Uh there was a 482 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:54,880 section about social media posts and a 483 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:56,559 reminder about non-disparagement on 484 00:23:56,559 --> 00:23:58,240 there to call out members of council 485 00:23:58,240 --> 00:23:59,760 because it could be and would be 486 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:01,440 recorded. 487 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,080 Uh one of the other areas uh of concern 488 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:05,840 that continue to arise relates to 489 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:07,440 members of councils overstepping their 490 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,200 role attempting to take the reigns or 491 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,520 fix a constituent's problem or directing 492 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:13,919 staff how to do their job. So the 493 00:24:13,919 --> 00:24:16,559 elected officials our job as a council 494 00:24:16,559 --> 00:24:19,279 and we had to be reminded in this is 495 00:24:19,279 --> 00:24:21,520 that we don't have role we don't have a 496 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,559 role in the daytoday administration of 497 00:24:24,559 --> 00:24:27,120 municipal government government unless 498 00:24:27,120 --> 00:24:28,880 we're specifically authorized by the 499 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:32,960 stat the statute. So when residents come 500 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,039 to us obviously we are to be the voice 501 00:24:35,039 --> 00:24:36,880 and we are to bring those forward and 502 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,360 tell and ask staff or tell staff here's 503 00:24:39,360 --> 00:24:40,960 a concern where can we look at this and 504 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:42,799 staff bring us their professional 505 00:24:42,799 --> 00:24:45,120 expertise and we can make decisions 506 00:24:45,120 --> 00:24:46,799 based on reports that are brought to us. 507 00:24:46,799 --> 00:24:48,240 We set policies similar to what 508 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:49,600 councelor Scott was bringing up. We set 509 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:51,840 policies and we work with the budget to 510 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:53,520 make sure that we spend taxpayers 511 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,960 dollars wisely. But that's the role of 512 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:00,960 council. No further than that. So, it 513 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,600 was kind of disappointing to me reading 514 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,520 this report and having to have these 515 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,039 reminders, especially coming to the end 516 00:25:07,039 --> 00:25:10,080 of our term right now. It just kind of 517 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:11,520 it was almost like a little salt on the 518 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,200 wound reading that one and I I didn't 519 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,200 like it, but I appreciate that came 520 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,549 forward. 521 00:25:18,559 --> 00:25:21,279 » Okay. Thank you. Maybe I'll I'll comment 522 00:25:21,279 --> 00:25:23,919 too on it. It's a it's a you know, it's 523 00:25:23,919 --> 00:25:25,520 a disturbing report in a sense. We have 524 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,159 I've never seen this many uh reports IC 525 00:25:28,159 --> 00:25:30,240 IC reports before. I've been here five 526 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:31,600 terms now and this is the most I've ever 527 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,440 seen for this council and Bradford 528 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,240 McGomery. So, um but I will say that, 529 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:37,520 you know, we we've had our differences 530 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:39,200 at council and that's fine. It's it's 531 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,279 okay to have those differences and not 532 00:25:41,279 --> 00:25:42,960 uh not agree with everybody at the same 533 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,679 time. That's that's fine, too. Um I can 534 00:25:45,679 --> 00:25:46,559 tell you though, there are a lot of 535 00:25:46,559 --> 00:25:48,559 councils out there and speaking with the 536 00:25:48,559 --> 00:25:50,080 integrity commissioners, there's a lot 537 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:51,600 of councils out there that have a lot of 538 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,640 problems and we are pretty lucky to be 539 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,240 the council we are because we actually 540 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,240 do work very well together and we get 541 00:25:58,240 --> 00:25:59,840 things done. That's the key is getting 542 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,240 things done. And so, uh, there are some 543 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:03,679 councils out there that are in serious 544 00:26:03,679 --> 00:26:05,279 trouble. I mean, the province stepped 545 00:26:05,279 --> 00:26:07,600 into the Mathan Black River and removed 546 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,919 that council, took over that one. And 547 00:26:09,919 --> 00:26:11,600 the Pickering Council has problems and 548 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:12,880 there's all sorts of problems right 549 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,200 across this country. It has gotten much 550 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,520 more difficult to be a politician in 551 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,600 this country. So, it's a difficult 552 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,200 thing, but uh it's a great report in a 553 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:22,880 sense that it keeps us uh it lets us 554 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:24,320 understand some of the things we need to 555 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,559 do better and uh I as a leader will do 556 00:26:26,559 --> 00:26:28,000 my best to do better and make sure that 557 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,000 we uh follow the rules and make sure 558 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:31,600 that we deliver what we need to do when 559 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:32,960 it comes to council and serve our 560 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,440 residents the best we can. So, that's my 561 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:36,960 uh promise to everyone is to make sure I 562 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,640 do a better job myself. So, okay. So, I 563 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,720 have Yeah, go ahead. 564 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:44,470 >> So, I'm glad we got to have a bit of a 565 00:26:44,470 --> 00:26:44,480 » So, I'm glad we got to have a bit of a 566 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,799 discussion there. Um the mayor just said 567 00:26:46,799 --> 00:26:48,799 the key thing is getting things done. I 568 00:26:48,799 --> 00:26:51,279 agree getting things done properly is 569 00:26:51,279 --> 00:26:52,799 the next part of that sentence and it's 570 00:26:52,799 --> 00:26:55,840 equally as important and uh yes there 571 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:57,440 are councils that have a lot of problems 572 00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,200 but we have to hold ourselves to a high 573 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,120 standard because our our public is 574 00:27:01,120 --> 00:27:04,400 watching and so it it it doesn't satisfy 575 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:05,679 to be know to know that we're better 576 00:27:05,679 --> 00:27:06,960 than Pickering and the problems they're 577 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,919 having there. 578 00:27:09,919 --> 00:27:13,510 >> Okay. Thank you. All right. We'll uh 579 00:27:13,510 --> 00:27:13,520 » Okay. Thank you. All right. We'll uh 580 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:14,799 call for the vote. I've got a mover or a 581 00:27:14,799 --> 00:27:18,080 second on this. So, all in favor? 582 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,279 Carried. Thank you. Uh, we're on to the 583 00:27:21,279 --> 00:27:23,039 second one. The Township of Georgian Bay 584 00:27:23,039 --> 00:27:24,559 Regulation for floating accommodations. 585 00:27:24,559 --> 00:27:25,679 I have recommendation that council 586 00:27:25,679 --> 00:27:27,360 receive and support the Township of 587 00:27:27,360 --> 00:27:29,600 Georgian Bay resolution dated June 2nd 588 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,360 25 regarding the regulation of floating 589 00:27:31,360 --> 00:27:33,600 accommodations. Move a second. Please 590 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,760 put this on the floor 591 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:37,120 by councelor Scott. Second by councelor 592 00:27:37,120 --> 00:27:42,880 Harper. Questions or concerns? Councelor 593 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:44,159 Thank you, Mayor. Can I get a point of 594 00:27:44,159 --> 00:27:45,840 clarification regards to what it's 595 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:47,600 asking us to do in this report? There's 596 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,919 two options. Uh, one is to just 597 00:27:49,919 --> 00:27:52,320 basically deny flotation and the other 598 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,039 one is to support it with moorings and 599 00:27:55,039 --> 00:27:56,480 stuff. So, could I add clarification as 600 00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:02,310 to what it's asking us to confirm? 601 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,120 » Yeah. So George and BA's uh their their 602 00:28:05,120 --> 00:28:07,200 recommendation is that now they're so it 603 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:08,960 says whereas flotation accommodations 604 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,120 position paper April 2025 provides 605 00:28:11,120 --> 00:28:12,880 detailed guidance to Ontario mispalities 606 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:14,159 on the regulation of floating 607 00:28:14,159 --> 00:28:15,840 accommodations highlighted critical 608 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:17,840 legal and environmental challenges. And 609 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:19,840 whereas the document uh identifies 610 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:21,279 significant gaps in current provincial 611 00:28:21,279 --> 00:28:22,320 and federal frameworks that 612 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:23,760 municipalities are best positioned to 613 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:25,360 address through zoning and land use 614 00:28:25,360 --> 00:28:27,919 bylaws. And whereas the paper recommends 615 00:28:27,919 --> 00:28:30,080 proactive municipal action based on 616 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:31,919 successful case studies and legal 617 00:28:31,919 --> 00:28:34,399 precedences such as the Gillespie versus 618 00:28:34,399 --> 00:28:36,720 Ontario decision. And whereas Georgian 619 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,320 Bay Township has already taken steps to 620 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,159 address floating accommodations has and 621 00:28:40,159 --> 00:28:42,080 has an interest in promoting inter 622 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,000 municipal collaboration on this issue. 623 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:45,600 Now therefore be resolved that council 624 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,440 receive the floating accommodation paper 625 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,080 position paper May 2025 for 626 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:51,360 informationational purposes and that the 627 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,600 clerk be further directed to forward the 628 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,200 document and this resolution to 629 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,279 association pala and members for 630 00:28:57,279 --> 00:28:58,880 consideration of potential provincial 631 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,279 advocacy. 632 00:29:01,279 --> 00:29:02,640 Yeah, go ahead. 633 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,870 >> Thank you, mayor. Uh when while I read 634 00:29:04,870 --> 00:29:04,880 » Thank you, mayor. Uh when while I read 635 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:06,399 that too, there still didn't tell us 636 00:29:06,399 --> 00:29:08,080 which one which option we want to do, 637 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,919 one or two in this report. So that's why 638 00:29:11,919 --> 00:29:13,279 I'm asking for a clarification. Which 639 00:29:13,279 --> 00:29:15,039 way are we headed on this? It looks more 640 00:29:15,039 --> 00:29:16,640 like number two, which definitely 641 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:18,240 supports uh restricted floating 642 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,480 accommodations to fixed and permanent 643 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,480 moorings because then those will be held 644 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,279 to more collaborative bylaws, municipal 645 00:29:25,279 --> 00:29:27,039 guidelines and and municipal zoning 646 00:29:27,039 --> 00:29:29,679 bylaws as well. So, am I correct to 647 00:29:29,679 --> 00:29:30,880 assume that? 648 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:32,230 >> I think you're correct to assume that. 649 00:29:32,230 --> 00:29:32,240 » I think you're correct to assume that. 650 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,000 It's actually two. I'm sorry. 651 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:34,710 >> Thank you. 652 00:29:34,710 --> 00:29:34,720 » Thank you. 653 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,950 >> It's actually two. Uh, but it'll be at 654 00:29:36,950 --> 00:29:36,960 » It's actually two. Uh, but it'll be at 655 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:38,559 AMO. We'll push it through AMO. 656 00:29:38,559 --> 00:29:40,240 Hopefully with councelor Dehane support 657 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:41,360 at AMO, we'll be able to push that 658 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:42,880 through and I think it's something that 659 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:44,240 we all have to be aware of. 660 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,350 >> Thank you. So, thank you. Okay. Further 661 00:29:47,350 --> 00:29:47,360 » Thank you. So, thank you. Okay. Further 662 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,679 comments or questions? Seeing none, 663 00:29:49,679 --> 00:29:52,080 we'll call for the vote. All in favor? 664 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,080 Carried. Thank you. 665 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,399 Okay, we're into 666 00:29:56,399 --> 00:29:58,880 number nine staff reports 9.1. So our 667 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:00,159 first staff report is a community 668 00:30:00,159 --> 00:30:03,360 improvement plan CIP program uh options 669 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:07,279 EOD EDO2 2025-3 and we have a 670 00:30:07,279 --> 00:30:09,600 presentation by Jonathan Hack from Sarah 671 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,760 Planning. So 672 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:21,430 on up. 673 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,950 Good evening. 674 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:26,559 » Um, 675 00:30:26,559 --> 00:30:28,720 so we have a quick presentation and it 676 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,039 uh it summarizes what was a fairly big 677 00:30:31,039 --> 00:30:33,360 and lengthy report from us as 678 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,600 consultants in your package along with a 679 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,600 staff report. So I'll just get straight 680 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,520 into it 681 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,279 if I have the technology to be able to 682 00:30:41,279 --> 00:30:44,399 do that. Next slide. 683 00:30:44,399 --> 00:30:46,559 There you go. I won't waste much time on 684 00:30:46,559 --> 00:30:50,399 what is a CIP. you've um obviously the 685 00:30:50,399 --> 00:30:52,480 this particular council has heard from 686 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,480 us several times but just to go through 687 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,200 that history for everyone's benefit. So 688 00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,159 in uh the last sort of updates were 2022 689 00:31:00,159 --> 00:31:02,640 to the programs currently on hiatus. The 690 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,279 seniors housing which was a successful 691 00:31:05,279 --> 00:31:07,840 CIP is has essentially been on hiatus 692 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:09,919 and I think now is a recommendation to 693 00:31:09,919 --> 00:31:15,120 to remove that. Um but uh since then in 694 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,200 December of 2023 we came forward with 695 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,440 sort of a comprehensive set of 696 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,279 performance metrics how they've how 697 00:31:21,279 --> 00:31:23,279 these CIPs have performed both the 698 00:31:23,279 --> 00:31:26,960 downtown and the industrial and um and 699 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,720 then um in the fall of of last year we 700 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,080 had a a roundt facilitation which I 701 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:35,840 really appreciated everyone in on 702 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,159 council being able to give some of their 703 00:31:38,159 --> 00:31:40,640 opinions and I think the opinions help 704 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,919 shape what we've put into the uh into 705 00:31:43,919 --> 00:31:46,000 the both the reporting that we provided 706 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,960 we summarize the the book ends of of 707 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,200 opinion and I think uh the programs that 708 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,679 we're suggesting go forward in different 709 00:31:53,679 --> 00:31:56,399 phases uh reflect that so the CIP has 710 00:31:56,399 --> 00:31:58,720 sort of been under the microscope and 711 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:00,640 this is the next iteration of that with 712 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,880 with some recommendations before you if 713 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:04,320 you can just go to the next slide 714 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,909 please. 715 00:32:07,919 --> 00:32:09,760 Yeah. So that really summarizes all of 716 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,600 the various changes uh that have been 717 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,279 put in place. So you can go through to 718 00:32:13,279 --> 00:32:16,710 the next slide. 719 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,909 So 720 00:32:19,919 --> 00:32:22,720 thank you. So just to you know one of 721 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,120 the things we do want to we we recognize 722 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,039 there is there are considerations and 723 00:32:27,039 --> 00:32:29,120 council's been very clear about it of 724 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,600 how best to use for example various 725 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,919 programs in effect for downtown and then 726 00:32:33,919 --> 00:32:36,080 for the industrial CIP. How can we 727 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:37,760 change it? How can we make sure that the 728 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,000 money that you are spending through the 729 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,200 public purse is is is going to generate 730 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,919 maximum impact. So the next couple of 731 00:32:45,919 --> 00:32:47,760 slides just give you an indication of 732 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:49,120 you know whether there's some staying 733 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:50,720 power some of the some of these 734 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,440 programs. So irregardless of whether the 735 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:57,519 DI the downtown CIP is bigger held in 736 00:32:57,519 --> 00:32:59,600 obeyance whatever it might be the types 737 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,320 of programs that remain relevant are 738 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,399 itemized there. So, facade improvement 739 00:33:04,399 --> 00:33:06,880 grant, that's the one that is the most 740 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,360 visual. Uh, but there again, you're not 741 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,799 in the business of essentially providing 742 00:33:12,799 --> 00:33:15,360 benefits to particular tenencies and 743 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,600 leaseold improvements and using 744 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:18,880 corporate signage. You're looking for 745 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:20,799 improvements to the building, sand 746 00:33:20,799 --> 00:33:23,120 blasting the brick, you know, going with 747 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,640 the right kind of uh guidelines 748 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,720 and and so that has, as long as that's 749 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,360 in place, that still has some merit. uh 750 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,279 particularly for the for the older stock 751 00:33:33,279 --> 00:33:35,679 uh in town the building restoration 752 00:33:35,679 --> 00:33:37,519 renovation and improvement grant. So 753 00:33:37,519 --> 00:33:40,399 just for everyone's uh recollection that 754 00:33:40,399 --> 00:33:43,600 was a sort of a bigger budget grant that 755 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,919 could be used for internal renovations 756 00:33:45,919 --> 00:33:49,440 to improve the the capability of these 757 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,039 commercial buildings and could include 758 00:33:51,039 --> 00:33:53,760 some upper floor um residential 759 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:55,840 conversions. Council has had some 760 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,000 concerns over the years with how the 761 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,720 money is allocated to best effect. 762 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,720 You're not critiquing the particulars, 763 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:04,480 but the idea is that you want to make 764 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,200 sure that whatever money is put in goes 765 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,679 to the long-term sustainability of the 766 00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:12,879 building and not uh what you generally 767 00:34:12,879 --> 00:34:15,200 call as as property owners 768 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,040 responsibility for life cycle 769 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:18,879 maintenance and all the usual things 770 00:34:18,879 --> 00:34:21,679 that we all have to have to fund. So, 771 00:34:21,679 --> 00:34:23,440 uh, that's still, as long as that is the 772 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,440 case, that's that fund if it's used 773 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,000 surgically can still be of some benefit. 774 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:29,839 Planning fees and building permits, 775 00:34:29,839 --> 00:34:31,839 they're often used, you know, they don't 776 00:34:31,839 --> 00:34:34,000 have great leverage power because 777 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,159 they're not huge amounts of money, but 778 00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:37,919 they are money that you have to find 779 00:34:37,919 --> 00:34:40,960 from a CIP reserve. So, they are money 780 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,679 coming out of the tax base and it's 781 00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:46,079 really an opportunity to signal a 782 00:34:46,079 --> 00:34:49,040 continued open for business um, uh, 783 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,200 role. So it goes alongside some of the 784 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,599 other programs and strategies that the 785 00:34:53,599 --> 00:34:55,520 town is putting in place. Development 786 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,359 charges are, you know, they've been 787 00:34:57,359 --> 00:35:00,000 subject to considerable legislative 788 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,079 changes. So we continue to try and sort 789 00:35:02,079 --> 00:35:04,640 of play catchup. But as it relates to 790 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,800 commercial, leaving housing aside for a 791 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,079 moment, there's some some potential to 792 00:35:10,079 --> 00:35:12,240 be used for development charges, but 793 00:35:12,240 --> 00:35:14,960 nothing like as it was in the past as it 794 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,520 relates to industrial, for example. Um, 795 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,200 so that last one, development charge 796 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,359 equivalent grant, we're really not using 797 00:35:21,359 --> 00:35:23,760 that anymore and not not proposing that 798 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,119 for for the uh industrial CIP either. 799 00:35:27,119 --> 00:35:31,829 Uh, next slide, please. 800 00:35:31,839 --> 00:35:34,800 Some you know other matters that council 801 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,560 has weighed in on and that we've we've 802 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:38,640 got some considerations in the report 803 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:40,720 and and the recommendations. 804 00:35:40,720 --> 00:35:42,960 Agricultural businesses, what what's the 805 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,280 nature of the issue to be solved? How 806 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,560 should you or um assist is there a role 807 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:52,240 for a community improvement plan? Um the 808 00:35:52,240 --> 00:35:54,000 historic nature of properties in some of 809 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:55,680 the urban and rural areas, particularly 810 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,320 bond heads. So we've addressed that. The 811 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,160 whole matter of using tax increment 812 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,079 grants, try and make it as effective as 813 00:36:02,079 --> 00:36:04,320 possible. It's still tax money that is 814 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,320 owed to the municipality that is granted 815 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,200 back. So although it's deferred revenue, 816 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:10,800 it needs to be looked at as that 817 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:12,560 deferred revenue. You still have the 818 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,440 cooperating costs for municipal services 819 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,119 that taxes are meant to support. So if 820 00:36:17,119 --> 00:36:19,599 you're giving taxes back, it has to be 821 00:36:19,599 --> 00:36:22,640 effectively uh uh getting the the 822 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:24,000 impacts that you want in terms of 823 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,400 economic development. Then a number of 824 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,079 other ones which are not on the slate 825 00:36:28,079 --> 00:36:30,400 for consideration right now, but uh in a 826 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,200 if council um or even a future council 827 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:36,640 wants to consider it, uh looking at um 828 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,160 housing elements of a community 829 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,119 improvement plan. Very complicated. 830 00:36:41,119 --> 00:36:44,560 again got to be very careful in terms of 831 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,440 uh matching the funding to the the 832 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,680 realistic outcomes that you can you can 833 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,320 achieve. Uh but that there's a number of 834 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,240 different uh programs that can be put in 835 00:36:54,240 --> 00:36:56,560 place there. And then you know the idea 836 00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:58,320 that in the future there is the 837 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,599 opportunity to to use CIPs in a very uh 838 00:37:01,599 --> 00:37:04,000 strategic way for example to get 839 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,079 particular kinds of development. Hotel 840 00:37:06,079 --> 00:37:08,320 is a good example of of that one. Next 841 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:12,710 slide please. 842 00:37:12,720 --> 00:37:14,400 So, I won't go through too much of the 843 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,240 detail here. It is covered off in the 844 00:37:16,240 --> 00:37:19,520 staffing um report, but as it relates to 845 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,160 the industrial areas CIP, and I I should 846 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:26,480 just take a moment just to to note that, 847 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,560 you know, Bradford was one of the first 848 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,760 to put an industrial areas CIP in place 849 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,720 and it was generously funded for a 850 00:37:34,720 --> 00:37:36,240 number of years and it's been extreme. 851 00:37:36,240 --> 00:37:39,119 If you look at the metrics of money in 852 00:37:39,119 --> 00:37:42,160 versus the the leveraged amount that 853 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:43,760 it's provided, it's been very 854 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:47,200 successful. Um, so we wanted to 855 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:48,640 continue. It's certainly a consultant's 856 00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,160 recommendation that it's got a lot of 857 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,000 merit and it goes alongside the 858 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,040 recommendation that we think that for a 859 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,359 range of reasons but being most 860 00:37:57,359 --> 00:38:00,560 practical uh expanding the community 861 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,800 improvement project area to the entirety 862 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,520 of the municipality is is it's 863 00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,320 essentially an administrative step. Um 864 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,000 I'll be happy to take any questions on 865 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,480 it but what it does is allows you to for 866 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,359 example look at employment wherever 867 00:38:15,359 --> 00:38:17,119 employment is happening. So, we've had 868 00:38:17,119 --> 00:38:19,359 conversations about do you or do you not 869 00:38:19,359 --> 00:38:22,720 incentivize Highway 400 lands, for 870 00:38:22,720 --> 00:38:24,240 example. And I think what we're trying 871 00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:28,079 to do here is say that um you need to 872 00:38:28,079 --> 00:38:30,000 and and council was very clear the last 873 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,560 time we were here, whatever assistance 874 00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:34,400 you give to industry has to be that 875 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,960 which is going to make a significant 876 00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,440 difference. And so, it's focusing on 877 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,320 larger employers, larger floor space. 878 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:43,920 You see on the right side of the page 879 00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,960 there, it should be geared to higher 880 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,839 order land use in in industrial terms. 881 00:38:49,839 --> 00:38:52,000 So that's manufacturing, logistics, 882 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,240 technology, the kinds of things that are 883 00:38:54,240 --> 00:38:56,720 going to end up coming out of the 884 00:38:56,720 --> 00:39:00,000 separate industrial land strategy that 885 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,560 is currently underway by Averson Young. 886 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,800 So this this is this is an important one 887 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:06,480 and it's going to be using a tax 888 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,680 increment grant um using the municipal 889 00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,560 tax uh for a for a maximum of seven 890 00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,839 years and at a rate of 50%. So 891 00:39:15,839 --> 00:39:18,000 potentially given the industrial tax 892 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,720 rates that's a sizable uh amount. So 893 00:39:20,720 --> 00:39:22,720 there's some if council moves forward 894 00:39:22,720 --> 00:39:25,520 with moving on and Rick bringing back 895 00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:29,119 the IAIP taking it off hiatus status 896 00:39:29,119 --> 00:39:30,480 then I think there's some number 897 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,640 crunching that needs to be done to just 898 00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:34,880 give council the advice of exactly what 899 00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:36,960 you might be in for in terms of foregone 900 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,240 revenues because as I said tax taxes tax 901 00:39:40,240 --> 00:39:43,520 increment grants are you know they they 902 00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:45,359 look good and they are good but they're 903 00:39:45,359 --> 00:39:47,920 still public money which is being 904 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:49,680 utilized so we have to do a very good 905 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:50,480 job 906 00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,640 assessing the merit on each application. 907 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:58,230 Next slide. Thanks. 908 00:39:58,240 --> 00:40:00,800 Thanks. For the DCIP for downtown, the 909 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:05,200 essential um restructuring of that is to 910 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,359 uh make sure and the last bullet on the 911 00:40:07,359 --> 00:40:09,839 on the left hand side, make sure 912 00:40:09,839 --> 00:40:12,000 buildings are improved with long-term 913 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,160 viability as a commercial premises to 914 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,320 meet all code and modern accessibility 915 00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,440 standards. So make it as impactful as 916 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,760 possible. That's true for facade 917 00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:23,359 improvements as it is for any of the 918 00:40:23,359 --> 00:40:26,000 other programs. But try and align this 919 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,720 in terms of timing with the uh potential 920 00:40:28,720 --> 00:40:30,480 the reconstruction that's happening with 921 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:31,760 Holland Street. There are some 922 00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,480 opportunities to defer then until we 923 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,960 have a second phase for that. Next 924 00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:43,270 slide. 925 00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:44,960 Thanks. Just continuing on, there's 926 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:46,560 still a role for planning and building 927 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:51,200 fee grants um to um be able to provide 928 00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:54,400 um a smaller level of assistance to 929 00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,520 plans for uh investment in downtown that 930 00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,240 do require uh planning applications to 931 00:41:00,240 --> 00:41:03,200 be made and building permits to be to be 932 00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,200 filed. And then the public art and mural 933 00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:08,000 grant program is really uh one where 934 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:09,920 we're uh you know recommending continue 935 00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,000 it under current guidelines but updated 936 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,880 and potentially incorporated into a new 937 00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,920 DCIP if that were to happen in the next 938 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:25,829 year year or so. Next slide. 939 00:41:25,839 --> 00:41:28,160 I do think again this this is this is 940 00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,079 really um not part of the 941 00:41:30,079 --> 00:41:31,520 recommendations for this evening but 942 00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,000 just looking forward if you're going to 943 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,000 uh if council has a wish to get into 944 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,920 housing um and to look at more specific 945 00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,160 forms of assistance that can assist 946 00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:45,040 general um housing development. Then 947 00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,040 things like having an environmental site 948 00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:48,960 assessment grant can be helpful. That's 949 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:50,880 with uh with regard to contaminated 950 00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,040 lands cleanup. And then of course you've 951 00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,640 got a range of housing uh project 952 00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:58,720 housing uh affordability measures that 953 00:41:58,720 --> 00:42:00,880 can be put in place to some degree and 954 00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:02,640 then also looking at bondhead in terms 955 00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:03,920 of commercial properties for the 956 00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:05,839 improvements there as well. On the a on 957 00:42:05,839 --> 00:42:07,680 the tourism on the agriculture side 958 00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,160 we've moved in the direction of really 959 00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:11,920 focus on tourism to the extent that 960 00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:13,920 there is a tourism market to be served 961 00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:15,680 as opposed to assisting general 962 00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,720 agricultural operations. uh because it's 963 00:42:18,720 --> 00:42:20,880 um I think that's the thin end of a very 964 00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,280 big uh issue and uh again if we're 965 00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,440 trying to do everything the CIP will be 966 00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,920 washed out pretty quickly. So council's 967 00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:29,440 going to have to make some choices as to 968 00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,079 where it focuses its attention. Next 969 00:42:32,079 --> 00:42:37,510 slide. 970 00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,240 Um, I'm not going to read through these, 971 00:42:40,240 --> 00:42:42,560 but there the the work that's being done 972 00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:46,480 to phase any improvements to the CIP 973 00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,880 both before the new council and after 974 00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:50,720 when there's a new council in place at 975 00:42:50,720 --> 00:42:54,079 the end of 2026 is all hinged upon a 976 00:42:54,079 --> 00:42:55,599 range of things that have been uh 977 00:42:55,599 --> 00:42:58,720 undertaken and are ongoing uh within the 978 00:42:58,720 --> 00:43:01,200 municipality. So, they're listed there. 979 00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,599 You know, we could add to that the 980 00:43:03,599 --> 00:43:05,359 heritage conservation district work 981 00:43:05,359 --> 00:43:07,200 which I know which is is upcoming this 982 00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,680 evening as it relates to bond head and 983 00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,400 the housing needs uh in particular and 984 00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,720 concierge program as it relates to 985 00:43:14,720 --> 00:43:16,640 focusing on the benefits of uh 986 00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:18,720 employment development. 987 00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:24,150 Next slide. 988 00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,560 So you you do have a staff report in in 989 00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:28,640 front of you which summarizes a lot of 990 00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,839 this but just to sort of 991 00:43:31,839 --> 00:43:33,440 uh consolidate everything I've been 992 00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,200 saying. The first there's a number of 993 00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,160 phases. The first of which which is to 994 00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,640 reactivate the industrial areas 995 00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:43,680 community improvement plan and to do so 996 00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:46,240 with council approve approval to work on 997 00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:49,280 those programs that I had outlined and 998 00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:51,359 to determine the relative size of budget 999 00:43:51,359 --> 00:43:52,960 that is required and look for any 1000 00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,760 sources of funding that may be there to 1001 00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:59,200 assist. Um the second phase which is uh 1002 00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,680 sort of second quarter 2026 through to 1003 00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,800 the end of the year and into 2027 1004 00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:06,880 would be to reconsider the downtown 1005 00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,119 community improvement plan based on the 1006 00:44:09,119 --> 00:44:11,280 commentary that we've heard from council 1007 00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,839 uh when we facilitate facilitated that 1008 00:44:13,839 --> 00:44:16,240 session back in October of last year. 1009 00:44:16,240 --> 00:44:18,160 third phase if you were to move forward 1010 00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,720 again similar timelines would be to 1011 00:44:20,720 --> 00:44:23,839 address um housing and that would 1012 00:44:23,839 --> 00:44:26,000 dovetail with presumably the conclusion 1013 00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:27,920 of some of the other housing strategy 1014 00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,319 work that's being done so it's premature 1015 00:44:30,319 --> 00:44:32,720 now but it's appropriate then and then 1016 00:44:32,720 --> 00:44:35,760 the fourth phase I think is to uh to 1017 00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:37,440 look at any potential for the 1018 00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,920 agricultural areas and that's put there 1019 00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:41,839 because in terms of our priorities we're 1020 00:44:41,839 --> 00:44:43,680 clear on it we see it as a lesser 1021 00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:45,760 priority than the other aspects that you 1022 00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:49,359 have before you. So that is uh that is 1023 00:44:49,359 --> 00:44:52,960 the plan in a nutshell. Um and uh I'd be 1024 00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:54,400 happy to take any questions if I can 1025 00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,040 hand it back to you, Mr. May. All right. 1026 00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:58,480 Thank you, Mr. Hack, for that 1027 00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,160 presentation. 1028 00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:01,359 All right, council. I open the floor up 1029 00:45:01,359 --> 00:45:03,520 for any questions to the presentation or 1030 00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:07,040 to the ECD. We have a report that has a 1031 00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,440 couple of options here. 1032 00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,839 So, 1033 00:45:11,839 --> 00:45:12,960 anybody want to put an option on the 1034 00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:14,319 floor? Councelor Viky, 1035 00:45:14,319 --> 00:45:15,670 >> I guess I'm going put to option number 1036 00:45:15,670 --> 00:45:15,680 » I guess I'm going put to option number 1037 00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:19,200 one. Um, I would like to see the I see 1038 00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:22,960 all the benefits and I see industrial 1039 00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,359 benefits that's taking place and I've 1040 00:45:25,359 --> 00:45:28,079 seen a few benefits definitely and in 1041 00:45:28,079 --> 00:45:31,280 some of the um storefronts and various 1042 00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,839 different uh projects. But I think in 1043 00:45:33,839 --> 00:45:37,440 these financial times uh until we see 1044 00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:39,920 the budget for this fall, I would I 1045 00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:41,920 would be very cautious. I know that you 1046 00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:43,920 put money at at different things, it 1047 00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,800 could be very beneficial, but I just uh 1048 00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:48,319 you know, I just worried what with all 1049 00:45:48,319 --> 00:45:51,119 the big financial capital that's needed 1050 00:45:51,119 --> 00:45:52,880 uh in the future. How much can we really 1051 00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:54,880 afford? So, I'm just I'm just trying to 1052 00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:58,960 be uh just trying to be um um I guess 1053 00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:02,160 penny penny tight in in a sense because 1054 00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,000 there's a lot of things need to be done. 1055 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:05,920 I know that there's a lot of buildings 1056 00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:07,520 accessibility 1057 00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,880 um openings and and storefronts and 1058 00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:13,040 access be behind or construction. 1059 00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:14,160 There's a lot of things that will 1060 00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:16,240 benefit but but I feel that until we 1061 00:46:16,240 --> 00:46:19,200 look at the budget uh um to see what we 1062 00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:20,400 can afford and what we can't afford. 1063 00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,480 That's I'm just speaking myself 1064 00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,160 personally. 1065 00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,560 Okay. Thank you. Uh so I've got option 1066 00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:28,079 one, but we'll just go around a little 1067 00:46:28,079 --> 00:46:29,359 bit to see and then we'll get a sense of 1068 00:46:29,359 --> 00:46:30,960 what we want. You want to second it? 1069 00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,119 Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay, I' got that's 1070 00:46:33,119 --> 00:46:34,800 what you're seconding. Okay, we have a 1071 00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:36,720 second for that uh on the table option 1072 00:46:36,720 --> 00:46:39,599 one. So now I'll go to more comments. I 1073 00:46:39,599 --> 00:46:41,440 had you had your councelor Harper first 1074 00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:42,720 and I'll come across this way. Thank 1075 00:46:42,720 --> 00:46:44,319 you. 1076 00:46:44,319 --> 00:46:46,309 >> Thank you, Mayor. Uh I appreciate my 1077 00:46:46,309 --> 00:46:46,319 » Thank you, Mayor. Uh I appreciate my 1078 00:46:46,319 --> 00:46:48,079 colleagues representing option one with 1079 00:46:48,079 --> 00:46:50,560 a second motion from my uh colleague 1080 00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,920 from W three. I I I I have to support 1081 00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:57,920 that um the phases in which you brought 1082 00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:01,680 forward and the amount of results when I 1083 00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,400 came to council this DCIP and CIP and 1084 00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,240 the industrial 1085 00:47:06,240 --> 00:47:08,960 um CIP program were already in place. I 1086 00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,280 supported and supported council's 1087 00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,520 decision from past decisions to the best 1088 00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:15,680 of my ability. there were people that 1089 00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:17,200 did benefit from it and there were 1090 00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:21,359 concerns uh about it but I didn't see a 1091 00:47:21,359 --> 00:47:22,880 vast improvement that I would have hoped 1092 00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,440 that these CIP programs would have 1093 00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:27,440 created would have been huge 1094 00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:31,359 transformations but I didn't see huge 1095 00:47:31,359 --> 00:47:33,440 uh I saw loopholes that people were were 1096 00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,079 taking were using and helping their 1097 00:47:36,079 --> 00:47:39,119 businesses and I'm happy to oblige u 1098 00:47:39,119 --> 00:47:40,640 because they follow the guidelines that 1099 00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:44,400 were set in place no harm no foul but I 1100 00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,720 believe that it didn't give us the exact 1101 00:47:46,720 --> 00:47:50,240 amount of return on the investment that 1102 00:47:50,240 --> 00:47:53,680 was put into it and that's my opinion. 1103 00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:55,359 The other part of this is that you have 1104 00:47:55,359 --> 00:47:57,440 a phase in there regarding affordable 1105 00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:01,520 housing and that part without actually 1106 00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:05,119 taking into account of any polling or 1107 00:48:05,119 --> 00:48:08,000 any data support of the residents that 1108 00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:11,040 come to Bradford for the feel and look 1109 00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,680 and feel of this community. that type of 1110 00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,640 phase would actually detrimentally 1111 00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:18,960 change the look and feel of what people 1112 00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,119 buy here for. And that part I don't 1113 00:48:21,119 --> 00:48:24,559 like. Um, so it would need some work. 1114 00:48:24,559 --> 00:48:28,160 I'm not opposed to, you know, the actual 1115 00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,880 premise of affordable housing. I just 1116 00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:32,480 see that there's some challenges with 1117 00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:34,400 that phase. 1118 00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,960 So I believe I'm going to support option 1119 00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:38,240 one on this and I appreciate your 1120 00:48:38,240 --> 00:48:40,640 efforts and the work you've done so far. 1121 00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:43,440 Thank you very much. 1122 00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,720 Okay, thank you. I have now uh councelor 1123 00:48:46,720 --> 00:48:48,319 Sandu, councelor Perin, and councelor 1124 00:48:48,319 --> 00:48:51,430 Dehanei. 1125 00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,920 » Thank you, your worship, Mr. Hack. Thank 1126 00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,640 you, Mr. Gillis. Thanks for your 1127 00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,760 presentation and your report. 1128 00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:02,240 When we started the CIP program years 1129 00:49:02,240 --> 00:49:05,040 ago, I I believed in it and and I still 1130 00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:08,559 think it's a good program, but I also uh 1131 00:49:08,559 --> 00:49:10,880 think this council was right when we put 1132 00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,680 it on. Here it is. Uh to hit a pause 1133 00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:16,880 button on it and I still think right now 1134 00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:19,680 is not the time to activate it. Um I 1135 00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:23,760 agree with option one. Um there's lots 1136 00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:25,839 of good stuff in this report, but 1137 00:49:25,839 --> 00:49:27,520 there's also more work that needs to be 1138 00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:29,359 done. like phase three, we're talking 1139 00:49:29,359 --> 00:49:30,880 about affordable housing and other 1140 00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:32,559 housing on options, but there's other 1141 00:49:32,559 --> 00:49:35,119 levels of government that we should be 1142 00:49:35,119 --> 00:49:37,760 exploring and seeing what partnership we 1143 00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:42,319 can get. Um I either I missed it or I 1144 00:49:42,319 --> 00:49:46,640 don't see that in the report. Um there's 1145 00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:52,480 uh downtown CIP. Um we had many concerns 1146 00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:54,319 um when the applications came forward 1147 00:49:54,319 --> 00:49:56,240 and we addressed some some are still 1148 00:49:56,240 --> 00:50:00,000 outstanding. Um and based on it comes 1149 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,160 down to dollar 1150 00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:05,520 report says that as of January 1st 2026 1151 00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:09,359 we will have $65,000 in that reserve. 1152 00:50:09,359 --> 00:50:12,000 That's not even enough to fund one 1153 00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:15,359 project. and and it says to put more 1154 00:50:15,359 --> 00:50:18,640 money into it at the budget time but 1155 00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:21,839 there's other hot issues that we need to 1156 00:50:21,839 --> 00:50:25,040 deal with. This is uh nice to have but 1157 00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:26,960 not must in my mind and right now I 1158 00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:30,160 would support option one. 1159 00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:32,069 >> Thank you and thank you to members of 1160 00:50:32,069 --> 00:50:32,079 » Thank you and thank you to members of 1161 00:50:32,079 --> 00:50:33,280 council that have spoken. Just a couple 1162 00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,119 of issues just to give a little bit of 1163 00:50:35,119 --> 00:50:37,119 context on maybe I'll deal with that one 1164 00:50:37,119 --> 00:50:39,920 first. So 65,000 and yeah it's not a lot 1165 00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:42,319 of budget. The approach I would look at 1166 00:50:42,319 --> 00:50:44,559 though if you were to go down the track 1167 00:50:44,559 --> 00:50:48,559 of reopening the industrial areas CIP 1168 00:50:48,559 --> 00:50:51,040 is the focus essentially is on a tax 1169 00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:54,640 increment grant. So that again as I 1170 00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:56,240 hopefully I've been very clear it's 1171 00:50:56,240 --> 00:50:58,079 still public money but it's not a draw 1172 00:50:58,079 --> 00:51:00,079 on the reserve unless you choose it to 1173 00:51:00,079 --> 00:51:03,440 be a draw on the reserve. So you can 1174 00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:05,839 take the money in and then rebate it 1175 00:51:05,839 --> 00:51:08,640 back at the rate of 50% for you know 1176 00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:10,400 whatever the eligible costs are. Maybe 1177 00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:11,520 it's seven years, maybe it's three 1178 00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:13,680 years, depends on the application. So I 1179 00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:17,359 would not necessarily align the the low 1180 00:51:17,359 --> 00:51:20,079 budget that exists in the reserve now 1181 00:51:20,079 --> 00:51:23,040 with the with uh a reason as to not do 1182 00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:26,160 the um industrial area CIP unless you 1183 00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:28,000 think that 65 can be better spent 1184 00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:29,520 elsewhere. That's obviously council's 1185 00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:32,240 decision. So that's one thing on the uh 1186 00:51:32,240 --> 00:51:34,079 on the housing side of things. I think 1187 00:51:34,079 --> 00:51:37,280 it's really important to to recognize we 1188 00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:39,440 we haven't put forward a plan in any 1189 00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:41,280 way. We haven't done the research. All 1190 00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:44,400 we've done is give an indication of what 1191 00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:46,640 programs are in effect elsewhere and 1192 00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:49,200 some of those locations like a Barry or 1193 00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:52,160 G are where they have significant funds 1194 00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:53,839 through the housing accelerator fund 1195 00:51:53,839 --> 00:51:56,559 that they obtained. questions about 1196 00:51:56,559 --> 00:51:58,640 planning prudence on this and whether 1197 00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:00,400 it's a good thing. Those are things you 1198 00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:03,520 would get into if you commissioned to 1199 00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:05,119 look at a plan. So, I just want to be 1200 00:52:05,119 --> 00:52:07,280 clear that we're not uh we're not 1201 00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:09,359 actually recommending any one program at 1202 00:52:09,359 --> 00:52:11,280 this point. We're just saying phase 1203 00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:13,680 three, if you had a mind to do it, 1204 00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:15,520 that's the period at which that's that's 1205 00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:17,839 when you would focus on it um within the 1206 00:52:17,839 --> 00:52:22,480 the work plan. Thank you. Comment 1207 00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:25,349 >> that that is why Mr. hack. I'm saying we 1208 00:52:25,349 --> 00:52:25,359 » that that is why Mr. hack. I'm saying we 1209 00:52:25,359 --> 00:52:27,359 hit the continue to hit the pause and 1210 00:52:27,359 --> 00:52:30,319 not just a straight no. I and I agree 1211 00:52:30,319 --> 00:52:33,200 with you what you're saying, but I still 1212 00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:34,800 believe it's not the right time right 1213 00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:39,510 now. 1214 00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:42,960 » Thank you. Um I'm also the opinion of 1215 00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:44,559 going to option one and putting this on 1216 00:52:44,559 --> 00:52:49,280 hiatus. Um we we had stopped uh putting 1217 00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:52,160 money into it in 2023. The remaining in 1218 00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:53,760 the budget based on the report the 1219 00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:55,200 remaining in the budget would be to move 1220 00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:57,359 forward with the phase one of 1221 00:52:57,359 --> 00:52:59,599 implementing this and then we would be 1222 00:52:59,599 --> 00:53:02,480 looking at putting 100 to 300 and then 1223 00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:05,359 another section said 250 to 350,000 per 1224 00:53:05,359 --> 00:53:10,160 year um as our budget for the CIP 1225 00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:12,400 as commented around this table. We have 1226 00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:14,559 so many things coming up for the budget 1227 00:53:14,559 --> 00:53:17,839 and to add this now or to even look at 1228 00:53:17,839 --> 00:53:19,760 adding this right now, I'm not in favor 1229 00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,240 of that. Many things have come forward 1230 00:53:22,240 --> 00:53:23,920 and I know things can be tweaked, but 1231 00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:25,839 when we originally started this the 1232 00:53:25,839 --> 00:53:29,760 whole the whole the CIP program, we 1233 00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:32,960 originally started with the um seniors 1234 00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:35,839 housing living styles and we got those 1235 00:53:35,839 --> 00:53:38,559 which worked out beautiful. And then for 1236 00:53:38,559 --> 00:53:42,480 the downtown CIP, we saw it be utilized 1237 00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:44,559 at the beginning and buildings were 1238 00:53:44,559 --> 00:53:46,480 starting to look great and and I saw the 1239 00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:47,920 investment going there and it was making 1240 00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:50,079 our downtown look good. Then it came to 1241 00:53:50,079 --> 00:53:51,920 the point where it was getting a little 1242 00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:54,480 frustrating for me to approve, but they 1243 00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:56,240 were following the rules. It started to 1244 00:53:56,240 --> 00:53:57,760 look like a cost of doing business, 1245 00:53:57,760 --> 00:53:59,920 which most businesses should be doing on 1246 00:53:59,920 --> 00:54:01,680 their own anyways based on what they 1247 00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:05,520 want to do with their business. Um, 1248 00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:07,200 the one question that I do have because 1249 00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,359 I am in favor of putting this on hiatus. 1250 00:54:09,359 --> 00:54:10,559 I don't want to be putting any more 1251 00:54:10,559 --> 00:54:13,839 money into the CIP, but in regards to 1252 00:54:13,839 --> 00:54:16,240 the industrial, 1253 00:54:16,240 --> 00:54:20,160 if there was a potential to have a big 1254 00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:22,240 player come to our municipality and they 1255 00:54:22,240 --> 00:54:25,119 were looking for a DC deferral, could 1256 00:54:25,119 --> 00:54:27,040 that not just come directly to council? 1257 00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:29,040 Would we have to have a CIP program in 1258 00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:32,079 place? because that one there is one 1259 00:54:32,079 --> 00:54:35,119 that I could support because we still we 1260 00:54:35,119 --> 00:54:36,720 don't lose any money. We get our money 1261 00:54:36,720 --> 00:54:39,760 in the end, but because the DC charges, 1262 00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:42,480 we have asked for relief over time and 1263 00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:44,640 they have been paid back. So, that one, 1264 00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:46,000 as long as that can still come to 1265 00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:48,240 council, I'm totally good with just 1266 00:54:48,240 --> 00:54:50,319 putting the rest of the CIP programs on 1267 00:54:50,319 --> 00:54:53,589 uh hiatus. 1268 00:54:53,599 --> 00:54:55,040 » I'll turn it to our CEO to have a 1269 00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:57,359 comment on that. 1270 00:54:57,359 --> 00:54:58,870 >> Thanks, your worship. With respect to 1271 00:54:58,870 --> 00:54:58,880 » Thanks, your worship. With respect to 1272 00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:01,200 the uh development charge deferrals, 1273 00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:04,319 council um is entitled to at its 1274 00:55:04,319 --> 00:55:06,960 discretion entertain those at any time. 1275 00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:08,800 There does not need to be a CA CIP 1276 00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:12,790 program in place for that. 1277 00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:14,720 » Okay. Thank you. I have councelor de and 1278 00:55:14,720 --> 00:55:18,549 councelorano next. 1279 00:55:18,559 --> 00:55:21,040 » Thank you mayor. Um Jonathan, thank you 1280 00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:23,599 so much for that thorough presentation 1281 00:55:23,599 --> 00:55:25,920 and I am going to lean to option one. 1282 00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:29,040 And my reason being is um for fairness 1283 00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:32,160 for all especially the small businesses 1284 00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:34,559 and the homebased businesses in our 1285 00:55:34,559 --> 00:55:36,880 community. Often times we see those 1286 00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:40,240 businesses are being left behind. Um we 1287 00:55:40,240 --> 00:55:42,480 know that it's very important to you 1288 00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:44,640 know create opportunities for the 1289 00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:47,760 agriculture housing and development but 1290 00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:49,440 at this time I believe to be fair for 1291 00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:53,040 everyone is to continue pausing it. Also 1292 00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:55,920 another thing um this is taxpayers money 1293 00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:58,319 and I believe you want to hear more from 1294 00:55:58,319 --> 00:56:00,480 those entrepreneurs especially those 1295 00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:03,200 businesses you know what I mean who are 1296 00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:05,520 selling application right to help with 1297 00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:07,839 their businesses to thrive I believe we 1298 00:56:07,839 --> 00:56:10,559 should open up the um consultation so 1299 00:56:10,559 --> 00:56:12,480 I'm going to recommend that we open up 1300 00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:14,880 the consultation for the public to come 1301 00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:17,119 in right even those aspiring 1302 00:56:17,119 --> 00:56:19,359 entrepreneurs to hear what are their 1303 00:56:19,359 --> 00:56:22,720 challenges how can or what can we to how 1304 00:56:22,720 --> 00:56:25,359 can we improve the CIP program so that 1305 00:56:25,359 --> 00:56:27,920 their businesses can thrive. So at this 1306 00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:30,319 time that's what I am definitely 1307 00:56:30,319 --> 00:56:33,200 recommending and leaning on because we 1308 00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:34,960 need to know what are their challenges 1309 00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:37,520 because the CIP program is there to help 1310 00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:39,760 businesses thrive in our community not 1311 00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:42,160 to just issue and dash out money right 1312 00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:44,079 because it is there want to make sure 1313 00:56:44,079 --> 00:56:47,040 that we're utilizing it fairly and that 1314 00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:49,200 we are helping businesses to thrive 1315 00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:50,960 especially the small guys and the 1316 00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,760 homebased businesses. So um that's my 1317 00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:56,880 two cents. uh mayor, how do I do the 1318 00:56:56,880 --> 00:57:00,319 recommendation to staff to have a public 1319 00:57:00,319 --> 00:57:02,720 consultation to connect with those 1320 00:57:02,720 --> 00:57:06,880 entrepreneurs and those aspired 1321 00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:11,040 from this um about the CIB program. 1322 00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:13,030 >> So councelor, I would probably ask uh 1323 00:57:13,030 --> 00:57:13,040 » So councelor, I would probably ask uh 1324 00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:15,520 our CEO next week uh to ask for staff 1325 00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:16,640 report the next council meeting. We'll 1326 00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:17,839 bring it as a staff report. You can ask 1327 00:57:17,839 --> 00:57:19,119 for staff report to have that happen and 1328 00:57:19,119 --> 00:57:21,200 have ecdev go and look at that in the 1329 00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:23,680 future for staff. So I'd ask our CEO 1330 00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:25,280 just he'll be on vacation so you can go 1331 00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:26,960 through our deputy CO and we'll get that 1332 00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:28,640 as a staff report. You can they'll bring 1333 00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:30,480 in as a staff report for the next 1334 00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:32,400 meeting. All right. 1335 00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:35,349 >> Sorry. Um staff report to recommend a 1336 00:57:35,349 --> 00:57:35,359 » Sorry. Um staff report to recommend a 1337 00:57:35,359 --> 00:57:36,960 consultation for the public. 1338 00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:38,630 >> Yes. Yes. We'll do it through a staff 1339 00:57:38,630 --> 00:57:38,640 » Yes. Yes. We'll do it through a staff 1340 00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:39,359 report. 1341 00:57:39,359 --> 00:57:40,230 >> Awesome. Thank you. 1342 00:57:40,230 --> 00:57:40,240 » Awesome. Thank you. 1343 00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:43,829 >> Okay. Thanks. 1344 00:57:43,839 --> 00:57:47,200 » Councelor Dano next. 1345 00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:51,119 Thank you. So I I do appreciate all the 1346 00:57:51,119 --> 00:57:53,280 colleagues comments. Um I I was 1347 00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:54,960 definitely leaning more towards option 1348 00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:57,440 one and uh but there is there is 1349 00:57:57,440 --> 00:57:58,640 something that I want to be mindful of 1350 00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:00,960 is in this in this economic climate we 1351 00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:02,559 need to give as many tools as possible 1352 00:58:02,559 --> 00:58:04,880 to our economic development team. U 1353 00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:07,119 there's a lot of opportunities even with 1354 00:58:07,119 --> 00:58:08,720 all this disruption in the uh the 1355 00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:12,079 economy for people to relocate make make 1356 00:58:12,079 --> 00:58:13,280 financial decisions with their 1357 00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:16,079 businesses and whatnot. So, I I do feel 1358 00:58:16,079 --> 00:58:18,240 that uh putting on a hiatus is the right 1359 00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:20,240 decision because we're lacking or we're 1360 00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:21,359 on the verge of having some of those 1361 00:58:21,359 --> 00:58:23,680 strategies come forward that this would 1362 00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:26,079 then partner up with. But at this point 1363 00:58:26,079 --> 00:58:28,319 in time, um you know, I think some 1364 00:58:28,319 --> 00:58:29,520 people have mentioned it that we've seen 1365 00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:31,599 some sort of uh especially in the DCIP, 1366 00:58:31,599 --> 00:58:32,799 we've seen a lot of people use it for 1367 00:58:32,799 --> 00:58:35,119 leaseold improvements in a way that 1368 00:58:35,119 --> 00:58:38,079 maybe wasn't the intention, but it still 1369 00:58:38,079 --> 00:58:40,960 fit within the guidelines. Um so, I I 1370 00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:43,839 definitely would love a stronger DCIP. 1371 00:58:43,839 --> 00:58:46,559 um not just for let's call it light 1372 00:58:46,559 --> 00:58:48,240 restoration. I would love to see pretty 1373 00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:50,480 significant restoration addition or new 1374 00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:53,599 construction uh or transformation of the 1375 00:58:53,599 --> 00:58:55,680 downtown. So I would love to have 1376 00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:58,319 additional incentiv incentification for 1377 00:58:58,319 --> 00:59:00,799 the downtown core to do something more 1378 00:59:00,799 --> 00:59:02,079 than just upgrading a building. I'm 1379 00:59:02,079 --> 00:59:04,640 talking take the building down or 1380 00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:06,240 preserve the heritage of the facade and 1381 00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:08,480 and reconstruct something that maybe is 1382 00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:10,400 um you know a multi-use development type 1383 00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:12,960 project. That's where I see the DCIP 1384 00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:16,240 really going. Um, in add uh one of the 1385 00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:18,720 other concerns I have is and and uh you 1386 00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:20,160 you kind of took my question there which 1387 00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:22,400 was the in the in the industrial zones 1388 00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:23,440 if people are going to come to the 1389 00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:24,640 industrial zones and we have a 1390 00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:26,720 significant business that comes there. 1391 00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:28,960 Yeah, absolutely. We need to look at it. 1392 00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:31,040 What I'm concerned with is that with all 1393 00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:33,440 the industrial autom um you know it's 1394 00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:35,520 the automation that's taking place. A 1395 00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:38,000 lot of this is massive massive buildings 1396 00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:40,079 with very little amount of employees in 1397 00:59:40,079 --> 00:59:42,160 there. So yeah, we might get a little 1398 00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:43,119 bit of that, you know, the tax 1399 00:59:43,119 --> 00:59:44,480 incentives from having those types of 1400 00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:46,319 businesses here, but really those types 1401 00:59:46,319 --> 00:59:47,680 of businesses don't drive tons of 1402 00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:49,760 economic growth to our actual 1403 00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:50,960 businesses. They're not going out for 1404 00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:52,799 lunches. They're not shopping locally. 1405 00:59:52,799 --> 00:59:54,400 there's, you know, a handful of 1406 00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:55,839 employees working in a massive massive 1407 00:59:55,839 --> 00:59:57,200 factory and warehouse. And it's a lot of 1408 00:59:57,200 --> 00:59:59,040 boxes and and shipping logistics moving 1409 00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:01,359 in and out. So, I'd like to see, you 1410 01:00:01,359 --> 01:00:03,359 know, um a lot more consideration for 1411 01:00:03,359 --> 01:00:05,920 other types of um businesses in the 1412 01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:07,599 industrial area off the 400, which I 1413 01:00:07,599 --> 01:00:08,559 think that there's a lot of people 1414 01:00:08,559 --> 01:00:10,319 looking around, which is really good. 1415 01:00:10,319 --> 01:00:11,599 And we're definitely motivated to work 1416 01:00:11,599 --> 01:00:13,760 with those types of businesses. The last 1417 01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:15,200 thing I want to say is uh when it comes 1418 01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:17,359 to housing, one of the concerns that I 1419 01:00:17,359 --> 01:00:18,799 have is a lot of people are taking 1420 01:00:18,799 --> 01:00:20,400 Bradford and and coming up here and 1421 01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:22,319 carving up homes and turning it into a 1422 01:00:22,319 --> 01:00:24,880 uh a nice little uh program for them to 1423 01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:26,640 uh you know, run multiple uh little 1424 01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:28,880 residents out of it and and earn income. 1425 01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:30,559 So, if if it does come down to some 1426 01:00:30,559 --> 01:00:32,480 types of housing, again, it needs to be 1427 01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:33,760 with the strategy. We need to identify 1428 01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:34,960 what type of housing that we're 1429 01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:36,799 interested in doing, how we're going to 1430 01:00:36,799 --> 01:00:38,240 fund it, if we are going to fund it. But 1431 01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:40,160 I'm not interested in making a bunch of 1432 01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:42,400 people, you know, landlords. That's not 1433 01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:44,400 that's not my goal. My goal is to to 1434 01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:46,480 transform the downtown area. And I think 1435 01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:48,720 that that's really important. So 1436 01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:50,240 ultimately, yeah, I support the council 1437 01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:52,319 with with going on a hiatus, but I I 1438 01:00:52,319 --> 01:00:53,760 think or continuing the hiatus, but I 1439 01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:55,280 think we really need to shape this and 1440 01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:56,640 give the tools to our economic 1441 01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:58,640 development team as quickly as possible 1442 01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:00,960 so we can maximize the markets right 1443 01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:01,839 now. I think there's a lot of 1444 01:01:01,839 --> 01:01:03,280 opportunity even with all the disruption 1445 01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:04,960 to really reach out and have people 1446 01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:07,119 reach out. So, it's a it's a little bit 1447 01:01:07,119 --> 01:01:08,720 of a shame that we can't, you know, 1448 01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:10,720 continue with something at this point, 1449 01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:12,640 but I I think we need those tools in our 1450 01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:14,640 toolbox. And maybe you can address some 1451 01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:15,680 of that. 1452 01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:17,109 >> Just through you, Mr. Mayor. I was just 1453 01:01:17,109 --> 01:01:17,119 » Just through you, Mr. Mayor. I was just 1454 01:01:17,119 --> 01:01:18,480 going to say, yeah, you know, whether 1455 01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:21,520 it's on a hiatus or you operate it, but 1456 01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:23,200 you choose not to fund the programs at 1457 01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:25,920 six or one, half of the other, half 1458 01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:28,400 dozen or the other, it is still there to 1459 01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:30,400 be used. So, if you did have a big 1460 01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:32,640 opportunity that comes in and you did 1461 01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:35,599 the homework on what the balance of of 1462 01:01:35,599 --> 01:01:38,720 benefit is, whether it's employment or 1463 01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:42,480 just square footage and taxes paid, you 1464 01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:45,839 could turn the CIP back on very quickly. 1465 01:01:45,839 --> 01:01:47,839 Um, I don't think unless you made major 1466 01:01:47,839 --> 01:01:49,119 changes, you would have to go back 1467 01:01:49,119 --> 01:01:51,119 through public process, but that would 1468 01:01:51,119 --> 01:01:53,680 be your choice. But even if you did, you 1469 01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:58,069 could expedite that. 1470 01:01:58,079 --> 01:02:00,400 C Scott next. 1471 01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:02,390 >> Thank you for the presentation and the 1472 01:02:02,390 --> 01:02:02,400 » Thank you for the presentation and the 1473 01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:04,880 work that went into it. 1474 01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:07,119 I want to make a few comments uh and try 1475 01:02:07,119 --> 01:02:09,359 and pick up on some of what was said 1476 01:02:09,359 --> 01:02:12,880 because I I I agree with a lot of it. 1477 01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:15,839 uh council fari talked about 1478 01:02:15,839 --> 01:02:18,319 over time the downtown CIP started to 1479 01:02:18,319 --> 01:02:21,680 look like the cost of doing business and 1480 01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:23,760 one of the things that I think we 1481 01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:25,920 recognize is there's the cost of doing 1482 01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:28,480 business on the municipality as well and 1483 01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:30,880 what I mean by that is when I worked in 1484 01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:32,319 the premier's office and we were putting 1485 01:02:32,319 --> 01:02:34,559 major grants to attract big employers 1486 01:02:34,559 --> 01:02:36,799 you were looking for the municipality or 1487 01:02:36,799 --> 01:02:38,559 the region to match it to help 1488 01:02:38,559 --> 01:02:40,960 incentivize so we could compete with 1489 01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:42,720 upper New York state Ohio, what have 1490 01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:45,599 you. And uh we've seen some major 1491 01:02:45,599 --> 01:02:48,559 employers come to town, renovate uh in 1492 01:02:48,559 --> 01:02:50,319 my ward, in the industrial area, and 1493 01:02:50,319 --> 01:02:52,240 elsewhere in town, and we've secured 1494 01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:55,119 those local jobs. But it's become this 1495 01:02:55,119 --> 01:02:57,359 sort of arms race of everyone's doing 1496 01:02:57,359 --> 01:02:59,920 it, so everyone has to do it, and we're 1497 01:02:59,920 --> 01:03:02,480 here to have value for our taxpayers 1498 01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:03,839 money. And in the past, councelor 1499 01:03:03,839 --> 01:03:05,200 Gordano has talked about, and I think 1500 01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:06,799 you referenced it tonight as well, the 1501 01:03:06,799 --> 01:03:09,200 downtown has to be big enough to be 1502 01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:12,079 meaningful. uh when it first started we 1503 01:03:12,079 --> 01:03:15,039 saw a lot of facade improvements and it 1504 01:03:15,039 --> 01:03:17,119 looked like it had momentum. We've seen 1505 01:03:17,119 --> 01:03:20,000 much more leaseold improvements lately. 1506 01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:24,000 So I think we need a program to provide 1507 01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:26,480 grants as an economic development tool 1508 01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:28,160 so that we can be attracting business to 1509 01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:31,839 town. My frustration is I don't know how 1510 01:03:31,839 --> 01:03:34,319 that fits into a budget. With the strong 1511 01:03:34,319 --> 01:03:37,359 mayor budget, we have a presumed 3% 1512 01:03:37,359 --> 01:03:40,240 increase pursuant to a mayoral direction 1513 01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:42,079 to do that without understanding what 1514 01:03:42,079 --> 01:03:44,240 the needs are from the department heads. 1515 01:03:44,240 --> 01:03:47,599 So I have no idea where a $300,000 1516 01:03:47,599 --> 01:03:50,079 economic development line item fits into 1517 01:03:50,079 --> 01:03:52,559 a budget designed to meet a political 1518 01:03:52,559 --> 01:03:54,640 percentage target. So that's a 1519 01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:56,960 frustration that I have sitting here 1520 01:03:56,960 --> 01:03:59,039 today four or five months in advance of 1521 01:03:59,039 --> 01:04:02,480 our budget coming to council because 1522 01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:04,319 it's being reverse engineered to hit a 1523 01:04:04,319 --> 01:04:05,920 political target rather than to identify 1524 01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:09,520 the needs. I think keeping the project 1525 01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:11,200 on hiatus is the only responsible thing 1526 01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:13,200 to do in that context, not knowing how 1527 01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:15,280 the budget's going to turn out. But I 1528 01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:18,000 don't like the second half of that 1529 01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:19,520 recommendation that says no further 1530 01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:21,599 action will be taken. I'd actually like 1531 01:04:21,599 --> 01:04:25,200 you to put together a thorough 1532 01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:28,240 plan that addresses industrial downtown 1533 01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:30,720 bond head and diversification of 1534 01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:32,480 agriculture. Agriculture remains our 1535 01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:35,760 number one job base. And so I'd want to 1536 01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:38,240 have a CIP program continue to be 1537 01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:40,720 developed perhaps for next term to 1538 01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:43,280 review that looks at how can we actually 1539 01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:45,599 do this in a meaningful way that 1540 01:04:45,599 --> 01:04:48,079 addresses our key economic drivers, 1541 01:04:48,079 --> 01:04:49,760 other public policy goals like downtown 1542 01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:52,000 revitalization, energy efficiency, 1543 01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:54,000 heritage preservation, affordable 1544 01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:56,559 housing. But I need to see that complete 1545 01:04:56,559 --> 01:04:58,799 picture because you said earlier, Mr. 1546 01:04:58,799 --> 01:05:01,200 Hack, you're prioritizing industrial, 1547 01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:02,640 not agriculture. I might make the 1548 01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:04,640 opposite choice depending on the needs, 1549 01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:06,640 depending on how the economy is shaping 1550 01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:10,000 out. But ultimately, sitting here today, 1551 01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:12,079 keeping it on hiatus, but continuing to 1552 01:05:12,079 --> 01:05:14,960 do the homework, that's how I feel I 1553 01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:16,880 have to vote tonight, not knowing how 1554 01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:18,799 this budget process is going to unfold 1555 01:05:18,799 --> 01:05:22,870 the way it's been set up. 1556 01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:25,599 » Okay, I'll get back to you. Uh, okay. 1557 01:05:25,599 --> 01:05:27,200 Yeah, you just seconded, so I'll let you 1558 01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:30,240 go first. 1559 01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:34,000 Yeah, I uh I'd actually like to see the 1560 01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:37,200 CIP program dropped because I just think 1561 01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:39,680 it's it's putting too much time on our 1562 01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:42,160 staff. I'd rather see our ectdom 1563 01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:46,000 economic development actually go and 1564 01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:48,160 further enhance the concert program and 1565 01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:50,720 attract business and market our town and 1566 01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:54,480 do those things and stop doing all these 1567 01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:57,440 studies about CIPs and all this stuff. 1568 01:05:57,440 --> 01:06:00,559 If we need to do an improvement or if we 1569 01:06:00,559 --> 01:06:03,599 need to do an incentive for for for a 1570 01:06:03,599 --> 01:06:06,480 company to come here for growth, we can 1571 01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:11,039 look at that on a one oneonone basis. Um 1572 01:06:11,039 --> 01:06:13,359 but to just continuously if we see a 1573 01:06:13,359 --> 01:06:16,240 real need like with the downtown core 1574 01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:18,480 the the improvements there was a 1575 01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:20,720 definite need when we had seniors 1576 01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:23,920 housing a definite need we created a CIP 1577 01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:25,920 program for it but I don't see the need 1578 01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:29,039 right now for a CIP program but I'm 1579 01:06:29,039 --> 01:06:31,599 going to I seconded option one and let's 1580 01:06:31,599 --> 01:06:34,079 just keep it on hold. 1581 01:06:34,079 --> 01:06:36,480 So, Mr. You want to comment on the uh 1582 01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:38,240 investment opportunity like the oneonone 1583 01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:39,280 investment option. You want to comment 1584 01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:41,839 on that? I I think 1585 01:06:41,839 --> 01:06:43,589 >> No, no. What councelor Kite just said he 1586 01:06:43,589 --> 01:06:43,599 » No, no. What councelor Kite just said he 1587 01:06:43,599 --> 01:06:45,520 would like to put the he said we can 1588 01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:47,119 look at it on oneonone basis where we 1589 01:06:47,119 --> 01:06:49,440 can incentify. I I assume that's against 1590 01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:50,079 original. 1591 01:06:50,079 --> 01:06:51,990 >> I can't speak to the issue of staff time 1592 01:06:51,990 --> 01:06:52,000 » I can't speak to the issue of staff time 1593 01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:53,760 and how it's being used elsewhere. But 1594 01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:55,760 just thinking at face value that that 1595 01:06:55,760 --> 01:06:57,200 you know it's always at a premium and 1596 01:06:57,200 --> 01:06:59,599 you want to use staff effectively what 1597 01:06:59,599 --> 01:07:02,640 you have currently is you have two cip 1598 01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:05,359 downtown cip and an industrial cip which 1599 01:07:05,359 --> 01:07:08,400 are both they're in existence right and 1600 01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:10,799 so you can you have not chosen to end 1601 01:07:10,799 --> 01:07:12,559 them you've chosen to leave them on 1602 01:07:12,559 --> 01:07:16,000 hiatus. Um I I'll say again my only 1603 01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:19,599 comment if if budget issues are are uh 1604 01:07:19,599 --> 01:07:21,119 are going to be you know they're 1605 01:07:21,119 --> 01:07:23,359 uncertain at this time is that on the 1606 01:07:23,359 --> 01:07:26,480 industrial side if you rested on the tax 1607 01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:28,240 increment grant as an option you could 1608 01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:30,319 leave that one as open because that is a 1609 01:07:30,319 --> 01:07:32,720 tax increment grant no other funding 1610 01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:35,280 from a CIP reserve would be required. So 1611 01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:38,480 in theory uh it would remain budgeted 1612 01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:40,559 only if an application were to come 1613 01:07:40,559 --> 01:07:43,119 forward to get development and and then 1614 01:07:43,119 --> 01:07:46,480 approved and then impact reassesses it. 1615 01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:48,240 So it could be several years down the 1616 01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:51,119 road. That's a that's a matter for 1617 01:07:51,119 --> 01:07:52,880 senior management to determine what the 1618 01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:54,960 fiscal impact would be on that because 1619 01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:57,520 as I said it's not nothing. But that's 1620 01:07:57,520 --> 01:07:59,680 one way you could do it. But I think the 1621 01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:03,119 um uh the fact is that you if you put 1622 01:08:03,119 --> 01:08:05,599 the plans on hiatus, they still exist as 1623 01:08:05,599 --> 01:08:08,240 plans and so you can choose to bring 1624 01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:11,359 them back um at your uh at your 1625 01:08:11,359 --> 01:08:13,200 discretion 1626 01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:15,430 >> or develop them I should say. 1627 01:08:15,430 --> 01:08:15,440 » or develop them I should say. 1628 01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:16,950 >> Thanks. So I just wanted to say you know 1629 01:08:16,950 --> 01:08:16,960 » Thanks. So I just wanted to say you know 1630 01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:17,759 thank you very much for the 1631 01:08:17,759 --> 01:08:20,000 presentation. Uh great work and to our 1632 01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:22,000 staff the economic don office great work 1633 01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:24,880 on the CIPs. I I wanted to listen to 1634 01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:26,640 council first before I I put my comments 1635 01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:28,719 out there. And I I still think the CIP's 1636 01:08:28,719 --> 01:08:29,920 did a great job, especially the 1637 01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:32,560 industrial CIP. It actually reaped about 1638 01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:34,960 $200 million worth of growth within our 1639 01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:36,480 community when it comes to what we did 1640 01:08:36,480 --> 01:08:38,560 in in the on reagents and other areas 1641 01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:40,319 within our community. So to me, the 1642 01:08:40,319 --> 01:08:42,799 industrial CIP is is a is a real tool 1643 01:08:42,799 --> 01:08:45,120 that can help our our existing business. 1644 01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:47,120 And I and I would certainly love to see 1645 01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:51,120 that carry on with a tax grant. So a TIG 1646 01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:53,759 do a tax increment grant system uh where 1647 01:08:53,759 --> 01:08:54,960 it doesn't really hit our budget. 1648 01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:56,239 There's no budget implication at that 1649 01:08:56,239 --> 01:08:58,799 point in time. It allows us to offer it 1650 01:08:58,799 --> 01:09:00,239 up to our existing business in our 1651 01:09:00,239 --> 01:09:01,839 community. So it keeps that program 1652 01:09:01,839 --> 01:09:03,520 alive and it keeps it in the toolbox so 1653 01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:06,560 that when we have businesses call us and 1654 01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:08,799 let's say you know a lot of business and 1655 01:09:08,799 --> 01:09:11,759 we lost DSV the 1.3 million square foot 1656 01:09:11,759 --> 01:09:13,600 building. We lost DSV. They went to 1657 01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:14,880 Inisville. They were looking here and 1658 01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:16,239 they didn't come here. I don't know if 1659 01:09:16,239 --> 01:09:17,520 they communicated with our staff or not 1660 01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:18,799 but that's where I want them to pick up 1661 01:09:18,799 --> 01:09:19,920 the phone. I want them to pick up our 1662 01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:22,480 phone and and ask what is this? What is 1663 01:09:22,480 --> 01:09:24,159 the CIP? What does this do for our 1664 01:09:24,159 --> 01:09:25,839 business? How does this help us? That's 1665 01:09:25,839 --> 01:09:27,040 where we get the conversation. When they 1666 01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:28,080 go on our website, they look at our 1667 01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:29,199 economic development website and they 1668 01:09:29,199 --> 01:09:30,880 they search that site. If they don't 1669 01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:32,719 reach out to us, we actually don't know 1670 01:09:32,719 --> 01:09:34,960 they were here. So, having something in 1671 01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:36,960 the toolbox makes them hopefully pick up 1672 01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:38,960 the phone and call us and say, you know, 1673 01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:40,319 what is that? What can we do here? Can 1674 01:09:40,319 --> 01:09:41,839 we can we invest in Bradford or not? Is 1675 01:09:41,839 --> 01:09:43,520 it worth it? So, it just gives us a 1676 01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:45,679 chance to do that. And so option two 1677 01:09:45,679 --> 01:09:46,799 would have been straightforward that 1678 01:09:46,799 --> 01:09:49,679 it's the the industrial CIP that I would 1679 01:09:49,679 --> 01:09:51,520 love to see move forward with a tax 1680 01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:54,239 grant only. So move the tax grant there. 1681 01:09:54,239 --> 01:09:55,679 You know, the deferred DCs, we can do 1682 01:09:55,679 --> 01:09:56,880 that anytime we want. That's a council 1683 01:09:56,880 --> 01:09:58,159 initiative. We can do that anytime we 1684 01:09:58,159 --> 01:10:00,080 want. But that's what I would love to 1685 01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:01,760 see. Uh I understand, I agree with 1686 01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:04,800 council. Uh the the downtown uh CIP, I 1687 01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:06,320 would say put it on hiatus. Leave it 1688 01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:08,400 there. Other CIPs, this talks about 1689 01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:10,080 bringing future options. We will have 1690 01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:11,920 that budget discussion coming soon. 1691 01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:13,199 There's nothing surprising about the 1692 01:10:13,199 --> 01:10:14,880 budget. It's been done this way for the 1693 01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:17,199 whole term. It uh it was a director for 1694 01:10:17,199 --> 01:10:20,080 me that gave a 3.5% average increase 1695 01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:22,560 across our term here. So, it's average. 1696 01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:23,760 That's what our average is going to be, 1697 01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:25,520 our tax increase over the three uh the 1698 01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:27,280 four years that we're here at council. 1699 01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:29,120 So, it's nothing surprising. Uh staff 1700 01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:30,880 are building that budget. I have been 1701 01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:32,400 given that responsibility by the 1702 01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:34,640 province and I uh gave that directive 1703 01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:36,320 and that's it. And it's up to council. 1704 01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:38,080 It's your budget. You do what you want 1705 01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:39,679 with it. You want tax to go up, you do 1706 01:10:39,679 --> 01:10:42,159 that. You want tax go down, you do that. 1707 01:10:42,159 --> 01:10:43,280 But it's your budget. you'll work 1708 01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:44,000 through it and you'll have that 1709 01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:45,920 opportunity to do that. I'm just giving 1710 01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:48,480 a directive, setting it in motion and 1711 01:10:48,480 --> 01:10:49,840 staff will build that budget and they'll 1712 01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:51,040 come back and then it'll be up to you 1713 01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:52,080 folks to see what you want to do with 1714 01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:53,600 that budget. If you'd like the number, 1715 01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:54,480 you stay with it. If you don't like the 1716 01:10:54,480 --> 01:10:57,600 number, move on. But that's got nothing 1717 01:10:57,600 --> 01:10:58,880 to do with option two. We don't need to 1718 01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:00,480 build in budget because it's a tax 1719 01:11:00,480 --> 01:11:02,560 grant. So, it doesn't impact us at this 1720 01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:04,560 point in time. So, we would move that 1721 01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:05,679 and then the rest of this would come 1722 01:11:05,679 --> 01:11:08,000 through in phase two and four back in 26 1723 01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:10,159 27 when we know more about it. So, I'll 1724 01:11:10,159 --> 01:11:12,159 go back to to council members. Councelor 1725 01:11:12,159 --> 01:11:14,640 Scott and I got Councelor Harper. 1726 01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:17,110 >> Yeah, just just to do a little bit of 1727 01:11:17,110 --> 01:11:17,120 » Yeah, just just to do a little bit of 1728 01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:19,120 correction there. Uh strong mayor powers 1729 01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:20,640 were introduced in the second year of 1730 01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:22,800 our term and staff are building a 1731 01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:24,800 budget, as I said, against a political 1732 01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:26,480 target without knowing the full needs. 1733 01:11:26,480 --> 01:11:28,560 That's not something I really care to 1734 01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:29,920 dispute. It's just the facts of the 1735 01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:32,080 situation. So staff aren't building a 1736 01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:34,000 budget in isolation. They're building a 1737 01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:35,840 budget against an arbitrary political 1738 01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:38,480 target of what one individual member of 1739 01:11:38,480 --> 01:11:40,480 council has determined he wants the tax 1740 01:11:40,480 --> 01:11:42,800 increase to be. Tax increase hopefully 1741 01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:44,719 will be less than that. All that being 1742 01:11:44,719 --> 01:11:46,080 said, I appreciate what you said about 1743 01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:48,320 the tax increment grant and understood 1744 01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:51,280 the point that it doesn't hit the budget 1745 01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:53,120 as much as the recommendation for the 1746 01:11:53,120 --> 01:11:55,679 300,000 or x00,000 that you suggested. 1747 01:11:55,679 --> 01:11:59,520 It still has an impact and I'm not 1748 01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:02,320 prepared to make a decision tonight in 1749 01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:05,120 the context of a budget that as the 1750 01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:06,880 mayor just said, council can increase it 1751 01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:08,480 or council can decrease it. We haven't 1752 01:12:08,480 --> 01:12:10,880 seen it yet and staff are telling us 1753 01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:14,960 what their needs are within a context 1754 01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:17,440 that puts uh the cart before the horse. 1755 01:12:17,440 --> 01:12:20,080 So, as much as I'd like to see tools in 1756 01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:22,000 the toolbox for economic development, I 1757 01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:23,440 think I need to see it, as I mentioned 1758 01:12:23,440 --> 01:12:26,239 earlier, in a holistic way so that I can 1759 01:12:26,239 --> 01:12:28,480 make a decision. And I I'll say it again 1760 01:12:28,480 --> 01:12:29,840 because I think councelor Jordano has 1761 01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:31,760 been right about this. It's got to be 1762 01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:34,480 big enough to be meaningful. And a 1763 01:12:34,480 --> 01:12:36,719 little bit of money here and there, I 1764 01:12:36,719 --> 01:12:38,320 think stopped being meaningful over the 1765 01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:41,280 past three or four years. 1766 01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:43,360 Our 1767 01:12:43,360 --> 01:12:45,600 biggest uh industrial application was 1768 01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:47,840 for med relief at that time and it was 1769 01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:51,199 $98 million and they brought in 300 jobs 1770 01:12:51,199 --> 01:12:53,760 and we paid $98,000. 1771 01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:56,320 So it's good. I I'm chairing the 1772 01:12:56,320 --> 01:12:57,520 meeting. I'm just talking about 1773 01:12:57,520 --> 01:12:59,679 opportunities out there. So just letting 1774 01:12:59,679 --> 01:13:03,360 it go. Uh councelor Harper. 1775 01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:05,760 Thank you mayor. Um, in hopes of 1776 01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:08,560 collaboration and clarity, I'm going to 1777 01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:11,120 use uh council fari's tactic here in 1778 01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:13,199 regards to this question. The tax 1779 01:13:13,199 --> 01:13:17,440 incentive for industrial um CIP or 1780 01:13:17,440 --> 01:13:19,199 industrial businesses that like to come 1781 01:13:19,199 --> 01:13:22,000 here, could they not be come to us on a 1782 01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:24,800 onetoone basis as well? And that may be 1783 01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:26,719 a question for the CEO to answer. help 1784 01:13:26,719 --> 01:13:29,600 us me clarify that so that way it seems 1785 01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:31,760 like we're want to put it on hiatus but 1786 01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:33,040 we don't want to we want to have the 1787 01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:35,840 tools in the box. Could that not come to 1788 01:13:35,840 --> 01:13:39,199 us on a onetoone and a you know 1789 01:13:39,199 --> 01:13:41,040 discretionary 1790 01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:44,880 utilization for ECDEV to negotiate with 1791 01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:46,880 industries that would like to come to 1792 01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:48,880 our town and then they have that to be 1793 01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:50,560 like well we could bring that to council 1794 01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:53,360 and you know offer that tax incentive if 1795 01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:54,880 you say it doesn't hit the tax bracket 1796 01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:57,199 why do we need a CIP for that so I'd 1797 01:13:57,199 --> 01:14:01,430 like to ask that question 1798 01:14:01,440 --> 01:14:03,920 » thanks your worship 1799 01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:06,800 uh In Ontario, municipalities are 1800 01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:08,880 prohibited from providing financial 1801 01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:11,679 incentives to any commercial or 1802 01:14:11,679 --> 01:14:15,679 profitable enterprise in an effort to u 1803 01:14:15,679 --> 01:14:17,360 either support them or entice them to to 1804 01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:19,120 come to municipality with a few 1805 01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:21,360 exceptions. One of those exceptions is a 1806 01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:23,920 community improvement program or plan 1807 01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:27,120 that sets out the the parameters under 1808 01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:29,120 which the the assistance would be 1809 01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:31,840 provided uh is prepared within a public 1810 01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:35,040 forum and is available to any applicant 1811 01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:38,080 to apply and and um explain how they 1812 01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:40,320 would meet those criteria. So when Mr. 1813 01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:45,600 hack talks about um keeping our CIP 1814 01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:48,880 in a um 1815 01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:50,640 uh 1816 01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:54,080 dormant state um and activating at some 1817 01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:56,640 point in the future if the need arises. 1818 01:14:56,640 --> 01:14:59,440 Um in in my view 1819 01:14:59,440 --> 01:15:03,280 those conditions would be um there's a 1820 01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:05,440 um some demand from a number of parties 1821 01:15:05,440 --> 01:15:07,679 that that are of interest to council. 1822 01:15:07,679 --> 01:15:11,199 you would open it up for a period of 1823 01:15:11,199 --> 01:15:12,880 time not just to deal with that 1824 01:15:12,880 --> 01:15:15,440 individual company because that is kind 1825 01:15:15,440 --> 01:15:17,840 of circumventing the rules of province 1826 01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:20,719 it out for us um and then entertain any 1827 01:15:20,719 --> 01:15:23,199 applications within that time frame um 1828 01:15:23,199 --> 01:15:25,280 to receive the assistance so it's it's 1829 01:15:25,280 --> 01:15:27,440 not a onetoone thing it'd be creating 1830 01:15:27,440 --> 01:15:30,000 another period of time that the CIP 1831 01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:34,070 program would be alive 1832 01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:37,590 » okay answer your 1833 01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:40,320 comment. Okay, go ahead. 1834 01:15:40,320 --> 01:15:45,189 >> Uh thank you uh thank you mayor and uh 1835 01:15:45,189 --> 01:15:45,199 » Uh thank you uh thank you mayor and uh 1836 01:15:45,199 --> 01:15:47,360 CEO for those comments and uh 1837 01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:49,760 recollection of the process. There's a 1838 01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:52,960 lot of procedures that uh are easily 1839 01:15:52,960 --> 01:15:55,280 weighed upon or or or forgotten. But um 1840 01:15:55,280 --> 01:15:57,920 I remember hearing that now a couple 1841 01:15:57,920 --> 01:15:59,920 years ago when I asked that question and 1842 01:15:59,920 --> 01:16:01,520 it's great to recall that and I'm glad I 1843 01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:04,320 asked it for for clarification. 1844 01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:06,800 Um, it definitely makes things a little 1845 01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:09,199 bit more tricky in regards to the 1846 01:16:09,199 --> 01:16:11,920 guidelines and the in regards to the 1847 01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:13,440 actual 1848 01:16:13,440 --> 01:16:15,440 uh restrictions municipalities have in 1849 01:16:15,440 --> 01:16:18,239 regards to um attracting certain types 1850 01:16:18,239 --> 01:16:21,360 of businesses. So, u I'm going to have 1851 01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:23,280 to leave my comments there and maybe 1852 01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:25,600 weigh in, but it's definitely giving me 1853 01:16:25,600 --> 01:16:27,360 a ponder to think about right now for a 1854 01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:29,600 decision. 1855 01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:30,709 >> Thank you for the comments. I've got 1856 01:16:30,709 --> 01:16:30,719 » Thank you for the comments. I've got 1857 01:16:30,719 --> 01:16:32,560 councelor Jordano. 1858 01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:34,159 That'll be quick so we can move on to 1859 01:16:34,159 --> 01:16:36,800 the vote. Um, so yeah, when I was 1860 01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:38,080 talking earlier about the tools in the 1861 01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:39,520 toolbox, and I think the mayor kind of 1862 01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:42,400 alluded to that, CEO's comments about 1863 01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:44,000 that we can't just open it for one, we 1864 01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:46,719 have to open it to review. Um, my 1865 01:16:46,719 --> 01:16:49,920 question is, can we have it on our 1866 01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:52,560 website saying that the CIP is currently 1867 01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:55,760 accepting applications for consideration 1868 01:16:55,760 --> 01:16:58,560 and in future budgets like the one that 1869 01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:00,640 will be coming up, we can decide and 1870 01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:03,520 allocate if at that point at the budget 1871 01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:05,120 we see a need to add some funds to that 1872 01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:07,679 or vice versa, maybe we have a quarterly 1873 01:17:07,679 --> 01:17:10,239 opportunity to revisit the CIP. 1874 01:17:10,239 --> 01:17:12,159 Therefore signaling to the business 1875 01:17:12,159 --> 01:17:14,159 community we are actively looking at 1876 01:17:14,159 --> 01:17:17,040 this but we're welcoming your 1877 01:17:17,040 --> 01:17:21,189 applications in the meantime 1878 01:17:21,199 --> 01:17:23,600 » if I can I think thank you for to your 1879 01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:26,800 worship um I certainly appreciate the 1880 01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:28,960 comment I think in in all respects you 1881 01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:32,480 have to act in good faith um and so if 1882 01:17:32,480 --> 01:17:34,400 it's on hiatus or whether it's 1883 01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:37,600 operational but unfunded it's it's it's 1884 01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:39,520 the rose by another name it is that's 1885 01:17:39,520 --> 01:17:41,440 what it is you not be able to distribute 1886 01:17:41,440 --> 01:17:44,239 funds. Um I think we all have to 1887 01:17:44,239 --> 01:17:47,679 remember that the C the provision of 1888 01:17:47,679 --> 01:17:50,159 public funds through a CIP is entirely 1889 01:17:50,159 --> 01:17:53,760 discretionary. You can set out rules. 1890 01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:56,880 You can judge applicants based on that, 1891 01:17:56,880 --> 01:17:59,280 but there's no entitlement here. So you 1892 01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:02,880 have the ability to to moderate, but 1893 01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:04,400 again you have to act in good faith. you 1894 01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:06,800 can't draw people in and then then you 1895 01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:09,120 know when it's clearly a good 1896 01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:10,719 opportunity meets all the rules you have 1897 01:18:10,719 --> 01:18:12,880 to act in good faith so I think it comes 1898 01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:15,120 back to you know if it's on hiatus it's 1899 01:18:15,120 --> 01:18:19,120 on hiatus that's the approach 1900 01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:21,120 so my thoughts on that is that if we 1901 01:18:21,120 --> 01:18:23,760 open up the the IIA and we we you know 1902 01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:26,320 had parameters that talked about job 1903 01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:29,520 jobs of a specific number square footage 1904 01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:31,440 I mean we do allow ourselves to get 1905 01:18:31,440 --> 01:18:34,480 calls and get those get those questions 1906 01:18:34,480 --> 01:18:35,920 and the issue is that it does come to 1907 01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:37,520 council and we have the ability then to 1908 01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:39,360 make that decision when we want to and 1909 01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:41,280 if it means that we have to actually add 1910 01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:44,239 something into the CIP to fund that 1911 01:18:44,239 --> 01:18:46,800 project because it is of great value to 1912 01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:48,880 our community we have the right and at 1913 01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:50,320 time to do that we can do that at that 1914 01:18:50,320 --> 01:18:52,719 time to fund that in the budget so to me 1915 01:18:52,719 --> 01:18:55,199 leaving uh you know leaving the IIA open 1916 01:18:55,199 --> 01:18:56,800 is uh critical I think it's something 1917 01:18:56,800 --> 01:18:59,199 that we shouldn't be uh shutting down 1918 01:18:59,199 --> 01:19:01,120 because uh we have the right as a 1919 01:19:01,120 --> 01:19:02,560 council to make those decisions in the 1920 01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:04,640 end so to to me. Uh it's important 1921 01:19:04,640 --> 01:19:06,640 because this is about job creation and 1922 01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:08,640 I've seen it work in our industrial 1923 01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:11,840 program already on reagents and in our 1924 01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:14,640 community and it has valued over $200 1925 01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:17,040 million in in money and it you know one 1926 01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:20,080 facility created 300 jobs. So there is 1927 01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:21,520 an opportunity for us to benefit from 1928 01:19:21,520 --> 01:19:23,679 that. So that's where I'm at with option 1929 01:19:23,679 --> 01:19:27,440 two. Council Harper. 1930 01:19:27,440 --> 01:19:29,760 Thank you mayor. I think we're I don't 1931 01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:32,800 we don't want to actually, you know, cut 1932 01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:34,480 off the circulation regards to some of 1933 01:19:34,480 --> 01:19:36,320 this. I would be open to option one with 1934 01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:38,480 an amendment that all the other plans to 1935 01:19:38,480 --> 01:19:41,199 go on hiatus except the IIA, but to come 1936 01:19:41,199 --> 01:19:43,040 back to us in regards to what that looks 1937 01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:45,840 like on the IIA. I don't agree with the 1938 01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:49,520 rest of option two. Um, but definitely 1939 01:19:49,520 --> 01:19:50,960 having that on there and seeing the 1940 01:19:50,960 --> 01:19:52,560 restrictions that uh face our 1941 01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:55,120 municipality, I would not want a 1942 01:19:55,120 --> 01:19:57,280 business to overlook us because of an 1943 01:19:57,280 --> 01:19:59,600 oversight like this. And I think if we 1944 01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:01,520 leave it open there, funded or not, we 1945 01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:04,400 still say that we do have an IIA CIP. 1946 01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:06,480 Um, and that could be a beneficial thing 1947 01:20:06,480 --> 01:20:09,280 for us. Who knows what comes in the 1948 01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:12,159 door. So I would like to add um an 1949 01:20:12,159 --> 01:20:14,640 amendment friendly amendment to the to 1950 01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:17,600 my my colleagues initial option one that 1951 01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:22,630 we add um the IAIP 1952 01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:24,719 stay up. 1953 01:20:24,719 --> 01:20:27,750 >> No, there's other stuff there. So 1954 01:20:27,750 --> 01:20:27,760 » No, there's other stuff there. So 1955 01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:30,080 So I was just councilor Harper, if you 1956 01:20:30,080 --> 01:20:31,280 want to make an amendment, we can. And I 1957 01:20:31,280 --> 01:20:33,040 was just going to suggest that if you're 1958 01:20:33,040 --> 01:20:34,880 okay with that option that we you take 1959 01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:36,480 option two that council approves a 1960 01:20:36,480 --> 01:20:38,000 proceeding of phase one implementation 1961 01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:40,400 industrial human improvement plan IIA as 1962 01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:41,679 outlined in the report and that staff 1963 01:20:41,679 --> 01:20:44,080 bey utilize the existing CIP reserve at 1964 01:20:44,080 --> 01:20:46,560 phase one implementation and that the 1965 01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:49,840 rest of the CIPs stay on an hiatus. So 1966 01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:50,960 it's the same thing kind of we're just 1967 01:20:50,960 --> 01:20:52,159 juggling it around and we're getting rid 1968 01:20:52,159 --> 01:20:53,920 of two and four. you you're not, you 1969 01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:55,199 know, you're not liking to enforce it, 1970 01:20:55,199 --> 01:20:57,600 remove that and just put the downtown 1971 01:20:57,600 --> 01:21:00,560 CIP uh on hiatus and the seniors housing 1972 01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:02,800 on hiatus. Keep them there and just do 1973 01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:06,320 the IIA for the IIA one. And we have 1974 01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:08,239 65,000 that is in that budget already. 1975 01:21:08,239 --> 01:21:09,760 It's not we're not asking to add more 1976 01:21:09,760 --> 01:21:11,120 right now. We're just saying use that 1977 01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:12,560 money. If something comes along and we 1978 01:21:12,560 --> 01:21:15,120 can as council endorse it, we endorse it 1979 01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:16,880 and we'll the program will come back 1980 01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:18,719 with the identified TIG and things like 1981 01:21:18,719 --> 01:21:22,320 that for for that. Yeah, please. I'm 1982 01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:24,719 okay with the way you put that um in 1983 01:21:24,719 --> 01:21:26,480 regards to this before we move to the 1984 01:21:26,480 --> 01:21:29,280 phase one of implementation and I know 1985 01:21:29,280 --> 01:21:32,239 um sir you were talking about whenever 1986 01:21:32,239 --> 01:21:33,679 we give you a go- ahead you would come 1987 01:21:33,679 --> 01:21:35,360 back to us with certain elements of what 1988 01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:37,280 that looks like was that what we we 1989 01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:39,440 would come back to us then we would see 1990 01:21:39,440 --> 01:21:41,120 what option or phase one looks like 1991 01:21:41,120 --> 01:21:44,239 before we even move forward then 1992 01:21:44,239 --> 01:21:46,229 >> you Mr. No, I'll just confirm exactly 1993 01:21:46,229 --> 01:21:46,239 » you Mr. No, I'll just confirm exactly 1994 01:21:46,239 --> 01:21:50,000 that. Yeah. So, so phase one final slide 1995 01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:54,239 we had uh phase one Q3. So, September 1996 01:21:54,239 --> 01:21:56,159 onwards of this year into the end of the 1997 01:21:56,159 --> 01:22:01,040 year, draft the AICP programs. So, as I 1998 01:22:01,040 --> 01:22:03,040 said, and this is just for food for 1999 01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:04,960 thought again, if you were to maintain 2000 01:22:04,960 --> 01:22:08,480 the option of having an open industrial 2001 01:22:08,480 --> 01:22:10,960 area CIP, 2002 01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:13,679 uh, with a tax increment grant there for 2003 01:22:13,679 --> 01:22:16,159 discretionary use, then then that's the 2004 01:22:16,159 --> 01:22:18,719 program that gets written. 2005 01:22:18,719 --> 01:22:21,920 So, mayor that I I have to basically um 2006 01:22:21,920 --> 01:22:24,000 bow to the first option that that was 2007 01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:26,880 given to uh my colleague here to see 2008 01:22:26,880 --> 01:22:29,199 whether he wishes to resend or and then 2009 01:22:29,199 --> 01:22:31,440 make changes or wishes to proceed. So, 2010 01:22:31,440 --> 01:22:33,520 up to you to proceed. 2011 01:22:33,520 --> 01:22:34,709 >> Okay, I'll go back. I've got councelor 2012 01:22:34,709 --> 01:22:34,719 » Okay, I'll go back. I've got councelor 2013 01:22:34,719 --> 01:22:36,159 Henny first and then I'll go back to the 2014 01:22:36,159 --> 01:22:38,320 asking about what we want to do options. 2015 01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:44,709 Councelor Dehaney, 2016 01:22:44,719 --> 01:22:48,400 you're muted. that councelor. 2017 01:22:48,400 --> 01:22:50,550 >> Thank you. So, I am not going to support 2018 01:22:50,550 --> 01:22:50,560 » Thank you. So, I am not going to support 2019 01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:52,239 the amendment. I'm going to stick with 2020 01:22:52,239 --> 01:22:55,120 option one. Um, is you know, we're going 2021 01:22:55,120 --> 01:22:56,639 to support all or we're not going to 2022 01:22:56,639 --> 01:22:58,239 support them. We have to be fair. We 2023 01:22:58,239 --> 01:23:00,239 cannot pick and choose who we're going 2024 01:23:00,239 --> 01:23:03,520 to support or who we're going to um open 2025 01:23:03,520 --> 01:23:06,000 the door to. I think it is we're not 2026 01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:08,400 canceling the CIP. We're just pausing it 2027 01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:10,320 for a bit. And nothing is wrong with 2028 01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:12,880 understanding that. I think we need to 2029 01:23:12,880 --> 01:23:15,199 make meaningful discuss this decision 2030 01:23:15,199 --> 01:23:17,280 and not polit and don't be too political 2031 01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:21,360 driven with our decision right and 2032 01:23:21,360 --> 01:23:23,520 majority of us already see option one I 2033 01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:25,440 really don't see why I understand that 2034 01:23:25,440 --> 01:23:26,960 having healthy dialogue is very 2035 01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:29,040 important but I don't see why we should 2036 01:23:29,040 --> 01:23:30,960 be going around and around and around 2037 01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:34,800 until we please you know people and come 2038 01:23:34,800 --> 01:23:36,480 up with an answer confusing the whole 2039 01:23:36,480 --> 01:23:38,639 body of everyone right majority of 2040 01:23:38,639 --> 01:23:40,880 person said option one let us pause it 2041 01:23:40,880 --> 01:23:43,360 for a And I think it's very manipulative 2042 01:23:43,360 --> 01:23:45,760 for us to be continuing this way and 2043 01:23:45,760 --> 01:23:48,000 leading into these decision you know 2044 01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:50,719 which you know persons now maybe double 2045 01:23:50,719 --> 01:23:53,280 thinking it's only fair if we're not 2046 01:23:53,280 --> 01:23:55,679 going to be fair to everyone I don't 2047 01:23:55,679 --> 01:23:57,679 think we should pick and choose who 2048 01:23:57,679 --> 01:24:00,080 we're going to open it to option one was 2049 01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:03,280 on the table and I believe I will 2050 01:24:03,280 --> 01:24:05,120 definitely continue supporting option 2051 01:24:05,120 --> 01:24:07,920 one until we go to budget and if there's 2052 01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:10,000 any extras or you know seeing ways that 2053 01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:13,040 we can open up the program to more right 2054 01:24:13,040 --> 01:24:15,120 that was on the table then we do so but 2055 01:24:15,120 --> 01:24:16,880 nothing is wrong with saying pause for a 2056 01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:19,600 bit and respect that and move on to the 2057 01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:22,870 next agenda 2058 01:24:22,880 --> 01:24:26,080 okay thank you for those comments okay I 2059 01:24:26,080 --> 01:24:28,480 do have uh option one on the floor so 2060 01:24:28,480 --> 01:24:31,600 wondered if uh I've got my mover was 2061 01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:32,719 councelor Dyke and councelor 2062 01:24:32,719 --> 01:24:35,110 >> Vike call for a vote 2063 01:24:35,110 --> 01:24:35,120 » Vike call for a vote 2064 01:24:35,120 --> 01:24:41,270 >> you're going to call for a vote okay 2065 01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:43,199 and look at the amendments. I think it's 2066 01:24:43,199 --> 01:24:44,080 a vote. 2067 01:24:44,080 --> 01:24:45,430 >> So, the mover doesn't want to move it 2068 01:24:45,430 --> 01:24:45,440 » So, the mover doesn't want to move it 2069 01:24:45,440 --> 01:24:48,800 anymore. Okay. So, I'm going to opt uh 2070 01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:50,800 put another Who would like to move 2071 01:24:50,800 --> 01:24:52,960 option two? As stated, we remove the 2072 01:24:52,960 --> 01:24:54,800 staff report back, you know, get rid of 2073 01:24:54,800 --> 01:24:59,270 options two and four. 2074 01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:00,400 » He he can. 2075 01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:02,709 >> Madam clerk, can he can he pull his uh 2076 01:25:02,709 --> 01:25:02,719 » Madam clerk, can he can he pull his uh 2077 01:25:02,719 --> 01:25:06,709 >> debating? 2078 01:25:06,719 --> 01:25:09,199 Give her a moment to look that up, but 2079 01:25:09,199 --> 01:25:10,800 that we could go to the feet vote. Yeah, 2080 01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:17,270 we could uh we'll just see if he can 2081 01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:19,199 » you worship while we're waiting for the 2082 01:25:19,199 --> 01:25:22,960 clerk. If the mover has rescended, I'm 2083 01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:25,040 prepared to move that and if I still 2084 01:25:25,040 --> 01:25:27,600 have the sec second or unless clerk 2085 01:25:27,600 --> 01:25:30,400 tells us otherwise, I I still agree with 2086 01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:33,910 option one. 2087 01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:39,830 Okay, we'll just wait and see. 2088 01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:41,600 I can move option one if you don't have 2089 01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:42,880 a mover. 2090 01:25:42,880 --> 01:25:45,189 >> We have a few of them apparently. 2091 01:25:45,189 --> 01:25:45,199 » We have a few of them apparently. 2092 01:25:45,199 --> 01:25:55,270 >> Thank you. 2093 01:25:55,280 --> 01:25:58,800 Okay. With with respect to the um motion 2094 01:25:58,800 --> 01:26:00,639 being withdrawn. So, a motion that has 2095 01:26:00,639 --> 01:26:02,560 been duly seconded may be drawn subject 2096 01:26:02,560 --> 01:26:08,950 to um the consent of councel. 2097 01:26:08,960 --> 01:26:10,719 Um if no member objects to the 2098 01:26:10,719 --> 01:26:12,000 withdrawal of the motion, the motion 2099 01:26:12,000 --> 01:26:14,159 shall be considered withdrawn. If a 2100 01:26:14,159 --> 01:26:15,679 member objects to the withdrawal of a 2101 01:26:15,679 --> 01:26:17,840 motion, the withdrawal a withdrawal 2102 01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:19,440 motion shall be entertained. And if such 2103 01:26:19,440 --> 01:26:21,040 motion receives a seconder, it shall be 2104 01:26:21,040 --> 01:26:22,560 decided prior to consideration of any 2105 01:26:22,560 --> 01:26:24,560 other motion. 2106 01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:26,159 And if a motion is withdrawn, the effect 2107 01:26:26,159 --> 01:26:29,280 is the same as if had never been made. 2108 01:26:29,280 --> 01:26:31,600 So, we would need the 2109 01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:33,040 consent of council. 2110 01:26:33,040 --> 01:26:35,430 >> It's okay. So, we need So, I I I I'm 2111 01:26:35,430 --> 01:26:35,440 » It's okay. So, we need So, I I I I'm 2112 01:26:35,440 --> 01:26:37,840 sure council has will want to hear the 2113 01:26:37,840 --> 01:26:39,120 motion because I've had a few say they 2114 01:26:39,120 --> 01:26:41,360 want to second it again or move it. So, 2115 01:26:41,360 --> 01:26:42,639 we have a motion on the floor. Option 2116 01:26:42,639 --> 01:26:45,040 one, moved by councelor Dy, seconded by 2117 01:26:45,040 --> 01:26:48,000 councelor We'll vote on option one 2118 01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:50,000 uh to see that's what we'll vote on. And 2119 01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:52,080 if that passes, if not, we move on and 2120 01:26:52,080 --> 01:26:54,639 we we bring up another option. So, okay. 2121 01:26:54,639 --> 01:26:57,920 So, all in favor of option one, 2122 01:26:57,920 --> 01:26:59,360 one, two, three. 2123 01:26:59,360 --> 01:27:01,590 >> Mayor, one second. Just a second, 2124 01:27:01,590 --> 01:27:01,600 » Mayor, one second. Just a second, 2125 01:27:01,600 --> 01:27:03,040 please. Cuz I want to make sure that I 2126 01:27:03,040 --> 01:27:04,800 know what I'm voting on cuz there has 2127 01:27:04,800 --> 01:27:07,280 been a lot of changes in between. Are we 2128 01:27:07,280 --> 01:27:09,920 voting on option one as original without 2129 01:27:09,920 --> 01:27:13,120 any amendment, without any motion? So, I 2130 01:27:13,120 --> 01:27:14,880 want to make sure that I am voting on 2131 01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:17,600 what was presented initially without all 2132 01:27:17,600 --> 01:27:20,560 these chaos and stuff before it started. 2133 01:27:20,560 --> 01:27:23,120 So can you please read what we are voted 2134 01:27:23,120 --> 01:27:25,120 on please and thank you. 2135 01:27:25,120 --> 01:27:26,229 >> Option one that the community 2136 01:27:26,229 --> 01:27:26,239 » Option one that the community 2137 01:27:26,239 --> 01:27:29,280 improvement uh plan programs remain on 2138 01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:31,679 hiatus and no further action be taken at 2139 01:27:31,679 --> 01:27:33,920 this time. 2140 01:27:33,920 --> 01:28:02,229 >> Okay, perfect. I am voting for that. 2141 01:28:02,239 --> 01:28:21,030 vote. 2142 01:28:21,040 --> 01:28:21,520 » We're ready. 2143 01:28:21,520 --> 01:28:24,870 >> Yeah, I'm ready. We're ready. 2144 01:28:24,880 --> 01:28:28,239 Okay. For a recorded vote for um option 2145 01:28:28,239 --> 01:28:33,189 one for the CIP program 2146 01:28:33,199 --> 01:28:35,520 yes in support and no in opposition. 2147 01:28:35,520 --> 01:28:39,830 We'll start with councelor Harper. 2148 01:28:39,840 --> 01:28:42,880 To clarify is to put it on hiatus and I 2149 01:28:42,880 --> 01:28:51,990 say no. 2150 01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:53,520 Sorry. You're looking to clarify the the 2151 01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:55,440 motion. 2152 01:28:55,440 --> 01:28:58,070 >> Yeah. You said it was to keep this CIP 2153 01:28:58,070 --> 01:28:58,080 » Yeah. You said it was to keep this CIP 2154 01:28:58,080 --> 01:29:00,560 and put a You didn't mention that it was 2155 01:29:00,560 --> 01:29:04,310 to put it on hiatus. 2156 01:29:04,320 --> 01:29:05,920 » Let me put the motion on the screen so 2157 01:29:05,920 --> 01:29:43,110 everybody has it in front of them. 2158 01:29:43,120 --> 01:29:44,639 Okay. So, for a recorded vote for the 2159 01:29:44,639 --> 01:29:47,520 motion that's in front of council, 2160 01:29:47,520 --> 01:29:49,040 do you want do you want me to read the 2161 01:29:49,040 --> 01:29:50,880 motion? 2162 01:29:50,880 --> 01:29:52,470 >> Yeah, please read it out for everybody. 2163 01:29:52,470 --> 01:29:52,480 » Yeah, please read it out for everybody. 2164 01:29:52,480 --> 01:29:56,000 that report EDO 2025-3 titled 2026 2165 01:29:56,000 --> 01:29:58,400 community improvement plan CIP program 2166 01:29:58,400 --> 01:30:00,159 options be received and that council 2167 01:30:00,159 --> 01:30:01,679 endorses a community improvement plan 2168 01:30:01,679 --> 01:30:03,840 comprehensive update report prepared by 2169 01:30:03,840 --> 01:30:06,000 CR Planning and Management and that 2170 01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:09,199 council approve proceeding with the IAIP 2171 01:30:09,199 --> 01:30:11,920 the community improvement plan programs 2172 01:30:11,920 --> 01:30:13,920 remain on hiatus and no further action 2173 01:30:13,920 --> 01:30:18,790 be taken at this time. 2174 01:30:18,800 --> 01:30:20,960 » Yes, sir. You you it's option one. It's 2175 01:30:20,960 --> 01:30:21,920 just option one. the community 2176 01:30:21,920 --> 01:30:24,400 improvement program uh improvement plan 2177 01:30:24,400 --> 01:30:26,239 program remains on hiatus and no further 2178 01:30:26,239 --> 01:30:27,679 action be taken at this time. So we 2179 01:30:27,679 --> 01:30:31,600 didn't actually put um the IAIP in 2180 01:30:31,600 --> 01:30:32,480 there. 2181 01:30:32,480 --> 01:30:34,149 >> That's just straightforward option one. 2182 01:30:34,149 --> 01:30:34,159 » That's just straightforward option one. 2183 01:30:34,159 --> 01:30:45,510 They all say once 2184 01:30:45,520 --> 01:30:46,719 she's just going to put on screen again. 2185 01:30:46,719 --> 01:30:48,080 It's she's going to rewrite it. It's the 2186 01:30:48,080 --> 01:30:49,760 original motion. It's going the original 2187 01:30:49,760 --> 01:30:54,400 motion option one. It's on hiatus all. 2188 01:30:54,400 --> 01:31:20,390 Go ahead. Ask. 2189 01:31:20,400 --> 01:31:23,360 There we are. That's good. 2190 01:31:23,360 --> 01:31:23,760 Okay. 2191 01:31:23,760 --> 01:31:25,669 >> Apologies. Is that correct? 2192 01:31:25,669 --> 01:31:25,679 » Apologies. Is that correct? 2193 01:31:25,679 --> 01:31:28,470 >> Yeah, that's correct. Thank you. 2194 01:31:28,470 --> 01:31:28,480 » Yeah, that's correct. Thank you. 2195 01:31:28,480 --> 01:31:30,390 >> Okay, everybody reads it. We read again 2196 01:31:30,390 --> 01:31:30,400 » Okay, everybody reads it. We read again 2197 01:31:30,400 --> 01:31:32,000 or we're okay. 2198 01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:33,030 >> Okay. So, go ahead. 2199 01:31:33,030 --> 01:31:33,040 » Okay. So, go ahead. 2200 01:31:33,040 --> 01:31:34,870 >> And now I will call the recorded vote 2201 01:31:34,870 --> 01:31:34,880 » And now I will call the recorded vote 2202 01:31:34,880 --> 01:31:37,120 starting with councelor Harper. Um, 2203 01:31:37,120 --> 01:31:38,880 state yes in support and no in 2204 01:31:38,880 --> 01:31:42,629 opposition, please. 2205 01:31:42,639 --> 01:31:47,520 » Uh, no. Thank you. Councelor 2206 01:31:47,520 --> 01:31:51,990 Dehaney. 2207 01:31:52,000 --> 01:31:53,840 » Yes. I support option one that the 2208 01:31:53,840 --> 01:31:56,000 community improvement plan program 2209 01:31:56,000 --> 01:31:58,239 remain an iatus and move further action 2210 01:31:58,239 --> 01:32:01,520 be taken at this time. 2211 01:32:01,520 --> 01:32:04,390 >> Councelor Dying. 2212 01:32:04,390 --> 01:32:04,400 » Councelor Dying. 2213 01:32:04,400 --> 01:32:05,990 >> Councelor Farerini. 2214 01:32:05,990 --> 01:32:06,000 » Councelor Farerini. 2215 01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:06,709 >> Yes. 2216 01:32:06,709 --> 01:32:06,719 » Yes. 2217 01:32:06,719 --> 01:32:08,310 >> Councelor Geodeno. 2218 01:32:08,310 --> 01:32:08,320 » Councelor Geodeno. 2219 01:32:08,320 --> 01:32:09,830 >> Yes. 2220 01:32:09,830 --> 01:32:09,840 » Yes. 2221 01:32:09,840 --> 01:32:11,830 >> Councelor Scott. 2222 01:32:11,830 --> 01:32:11,840 » Councelor Scott. 2223 01:32:11,840 --> 01:32:14,229 >> Councelor Vike. 2224 01:32:14,229 --> 01:32:14,239 » Councelor Vike. 2225 01:32:14,239 --> 01:32:15,760 Deputy Mayor Sandu. 2226 01:32:15,760 --> 01:32:16,790 >> Yes. 2227 01:32:16,790 --> 01:32:16,800 » Yes. 2228 01:32:16,800 --> 01:32:19,510 >> Mayor Leuk. 2229 01:32:19,510 --> 01:32:19,520 » Mayor Leuk. 2230 01:32:19,520 --> 01:32:21,590 >> The motion. 2231 01:32:21,590 --> 01:32:21,600 » The motion. 2232 01:32:21,600 --> 01:32:25,510 >> The motion is carried. 2233 01:32:25,520 --> 01:32:29,760 » Okay. Thank you. We are on to uh 9.2 now 2234 01:32:29,760 --> 01:32:32,239 then. And it's update on Bradford on 2235 01:32:32,239 --> 01:32:34,960 demand transit. Uh our presentation from 2236 01:32:34,960 --> 01:32:38,400 our deputy CEO Mahesh Ramdeo. Floor is 2237 01:32:38,400 --> 01:32:44,550 yours. 2238 01:32:44,560 --> 01:32:47,360 Thank you, Mayor Luk. 2239 01:32:47,360 --> 01:32:57,270 Just give a few minutes, a few seconds. 2240 01:32:57,280 --> 01:33:00,159 So, uh, again, thank you, Mayor Luk, 2241 01:33:00,159 --> 01:33:02,080 Deputy Mayor Sandu, members of council. 2242 01:33:02,080 --> 01:33:05,760 Good evening, Mr. CEO. Good evening. 2243 01:33:05,760 --> 01:33:08,480 First time ever somebody's uh 2244 01:33:08,480 --> 01:33:11,679 uh thank you all for um having me here 2245 01:33:11,679 --> 01:33:13,920 this evening and I wish to start by 2246 01:33:13,920 --> 01:33:16,080 thanking council for their support on 2247 01:33:16,080 --> 01:33:18,560 this the on demand pilot that we've got 2248 01:33:18,560 --> 01:33:23,120 so far um and also to thank staff uh 2249 01:33:23,120 --> 01:33:25,520 especially Paul Dubinak, Joe Coleman, 2250 01:33:25,520 --> 01:33:28,480 Tony D. Ro, Vanessa Morum, Karen 2251 01:33:28,480 --> 01:33:32,320 McKenna, senior management, and 2252 01:33:32,320 --> 01:33:34,880 definitely my communication team who's 2253 01:33:34,880 --> 01:33:36,080 been helping in terms of the 2254 01:33:36,080 --> 01:33:37,520 communication with the public and with 2255 01:33:37,520 --> 01:33:39,679 this presentation. So, thanks to all of 2256 01:33:39,679 --> 01:33:41,440 them. 2257 01:33:41,440 --> 01:33:43,440 In many ways, what I'm going to present 2258 01:33:43,440 --> 01:33:45,840 tonight is 2259 01:33:45,840 --> 01:33:48,159 uh a story of success and challenges 2260 01:33:48,159 --> 01:33:51,199 that really come with success. Um, and 2261 01:33:51,199 --> 01:33:52,719 that's what this this story is about 2262 01:33:52,719 --> 01:33:54,400 this evening. 2263 01:33:54,400 --> 01:34:00,550 Tara, could you? 2264 01:34:00,560 --> 01:34:04,070 Okay. 2265 01:34:04,080 --> 01:34:07,679 I'd like to start with where we began 2266 01:34:07,679 --> 01:34:09,920 what we began with and where we are 2267 01:34:09,920 --> 01:34:11,679 today and some of the the the 2268 01:34:11,679 --> 01:34:13,280 recommendations 2269 01:34:13,280 --> 01:34:17,920 out of our 2031 transit master plan. 2270 01:34:17,920 --> 01:34:20,800 Prior to the on demand pilot, we had a 2271 01:34:20,800 --> 01:34:23,360 fixed bus system, a fixed transit system 2272 01:34:23,360 --> 01:34:25,679 with three routes. 2273 01:34:25,679 --> 01:34:28,560 We saw in 2024, we saw about 60,000 2274 01:34:28,560 --> 01:34:31,760 annual rides. And on April 2nd, the day 2275 01:34:31,760 --> 01:34:34,400 before we started the on demand transit, 2276 01:34:34,400 --> 01:34:38,239 we had 13 174 2277 01:34:38,239 --> 01:34:42,310 rides on the system. 2278 01:34:42,320 --> 01:34:45,199 The 2031 transit master plan had 2279 01:34:45,199 --> 01:34:49,600 highlighted a gap in the system of 2280 01:34:49,600 --> 01:34:52,239 not full coverage of the urban areas of 2281 01:34:52,239 --> 01:34:55,280 Bradford, not full coverage of Bradford 2282 01:34:55,280 --> 01:34:57,120 and made some recommendations going out 2283 01:34:57,120 --> 01:35:00,480 to 2031. Those recommendations required 2284 01:35:00,480 --> 01:35:03,600 17 buses. The transit master plan did 2285 01:35:03,600 --> 01:35:05,760 not cost out the capital. I worked it 2286 01:35:05,760 --> 01:35:09,360 out to 1.6 million annual cost. It 2287 01:35:09,360 --> 01:35:11,040 estimated an operating cost of about 2288 01:35:11,040 --> 01:35:14,159 five of 4.5 million for a total cost of 2289 01:35:14,159 --> 01:35:15,840 6.1. 2290 01:35:15,840 --> 01:35:18,800 That for us poses a constraint. Um 2291 01:35:18,800 --> 01:35:21,600 Bradford as a town would be challenged 2292 01:35:21,600 --> 01:35:23,840 to fund that. 2293 01:35:23,840 --> 01:35:26,000 residents had had indicated that they 2294 01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:29,120 prefer full coverage to the low um the 2295 01:35:29,120 --> 01:35:31,040 areas of low coverage within the 2296 01:35:31,040 --> 01:35:32,960 community an increase in the number of 2297 01:35:32,960 --> 01:35:34,880 routes increased frequency and 2298 01:35:34,880 --> 01:35:37,600 definitely uh connections to the the 2299 01:35:37,600 --> 01:35:39,840 higher level transit of go and the 2300 01:35:39,840 --> 01:35:41,760 links. 2301 01:35:41,760 --> 01:35:43,440 So the challenge for us is how do we 2302 01:35:43,440 --> 01:35:46,080 deliver how could we deliver on that um 2303 01:35:46,080 --> 01:35:49,440 given the constraints that we had. 2304 01:35:49,440 --> 01:35:52,239 So 2305 01:35:52,239 --> 01:35:54,719 what would be the benefits of delivering 2306 01:35:54,719 --> 01:35:57,600 on that a better m public system public 2307 01:35:57,600 --> 01:35:59,600 transit system? 2308 01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:01,760 The 2031 transit master plan had 2309 01:36:01,760 --> 01:36:04,719 suggested that if we got to 420,000 2310 01:36:04,719 --> 01:36:09,199 rides in 2031 we could see upwards of 2311 01:36:09,199 --> 01:36:12,880 16.5 million in economic benefit. 2312 01:36:12,880 --> 01:36:15,040 That is in straight up economic benefit 2313 01:36:15,040 --> 01:36:16,800 and savings to the individuals that 2314 01:36:16,800 --> 01:36:19,440 could be spent within the community. 2315 01:36:19,440 --> 01:36:21,280 The Canadian Public Health Association 2316 01:36:21,280 --> 01:36:24,320 in 2019 had said that people who live in 2317 01:36:24,320 --> 01:36:26,560 communities with good transit drive half 2318 01:36:26,560 --> 01:36:30,080 as much and could save up to $10,000 per 2319 01:36:30,080 --> 01:36:33,520 year per household. 2320 01:36:33,520 --> 01:36:35,679 David Suzuki Foundation said it improves 2321 01:36:35,679 --> 01:36:38,960 quality of life. 2322 01:36:38,960 --> 01:36:41,760 I'd like you to to put the 10,000 into 2323 01:36:41,760 --> 01:36:45,040 context and to 2324 01:36:45,040 --> 01:36:47,520 imagine a future where we could create 2325 01:36:47,520 --> 01:36:49,679 where residents would not need multiple 2326 01:36:49,679 --> 01:36:51,360 cars would be able to save that kind of 2327 01:36:51,360 --> 01:36:53,760 money. Reduce cost of living within 2328 01:36:53,760 --> 01:36:56,159 Bradford hopefully becomes one of the 2329 01:36:56,159 --> 01:36:58,800 attracting tools to Bradford. More 2330 01:36:58,800 --> 01:37:00,239 people coming here, more labor coming 2331 01:37:00,239 --> 01:37:02,560 here, increases in the labor force could 2332 01:37:02,560 --> 01:37:06,719 have a a follow on effect of employers 2333 01:37:06,719 --> 01:37:08,320 moving here because there is the labor 2334 01:37:08,320 --> 01:37:10,000 force. The cost of doing business here 2335 01:37:10,000 --> 01:37:12,880 is lower lower. That means more economic 2336 01:37:12,880 --> 01:37:15,840 development, more jobs, more benefits. 2337 01:37:15,840 --> 01:37:17,360 That's the future that I think we could 2338 01:37:17,360 --> 01:37:23,350 get to. Next one, please. 2339 01:37:23,360 --> 01:37:26,960 So in November 2024, 2340 01:37:26,960 --> 01:37:28,719 council endorsed a shift from the the 2341 01:37:28,719 --> 01:37:30,400 fixed transit system to an on demand 2342 01:37:30,400 --> 01:37:33,199 pilot. 2343 01:37:33,199 --> 01:37:34,880 Just to go back a little bit what an 2344 01:37:34,880 --> 01:37:37,600 ondemand service really is. It's a 2345 01:37:37,600 --> 01:37:39,679 service where riders could choose could 2346 01:37:39,679 --> 01:37:43,440 call a ride via an app or a phone call. 2347 01:37:43,440 --> 01:37:45,679 Um and it will be they'll be serviced in 2348 01:37:45,679 --> 01:37:47,840 real time rather than following a fixed 2349 01:37:47,840 --> 01:37:50,960 route system that's on a schedule. Um, 2350 01:37:50,960 --> 01:37:52,880 it could allow for a more personalized 2351 01:37:52,880 --> 01:37:55,600 service, uh, flexible pickup near their 2352 01:37:55,600 --> 01:37:58,239 where they pick up and drop off near 2353 01:37:58,239 --> 01:38:00,800 where they're going, making it more 2354 01:38:00,800 --> 01:38:03,520 convenient. And in an area like Bradford 2355 01:38:03,520 --> 01:38:07,920 where you've got um lower ridership 2356 01:38:07,920 --> 01:38:10,320 and somewhat inefficient fixed transit, 2357 01:38:10,320 --> 01:38:12,800 it could improve your efficiencies. 2358 01:38:12,800 --> 01:38:15,280 Um, it has the potential of serving all 2359 01:38:15,280 --> 01:38:18,080 of Bradford at a lower cost. um 2360 01:38:18,080 --> 01:38:19,760 increasing frequencies and connecting to 2361 01:38:19,760 --> 01:38:23,119 the trans the higher level transit. 2362 01:38:23,119 --> 01:38:25,040 When we put the system together, our 2363 01:38:25,040 --> 01:38:27,440 thought process was we're starting at 2364 01:38:27,440 --> 01:38:30,400 60,000 rights per year. We could most 2365 01:38:30,400 --> 01:38:33,600 definitely achieve what Inisville has 2366 01:38:33,600 --> 01:38:36,000 with a shared ride service. That is 2367 01:38:36,000 --> 01:38:39,440 95,000 rides per year. 2368 01:38:39,440 --> 01:38:42,080 A number to keep in mind is that 95,000 2369 01:38:42,080 --> 01:38:44,960 rides equates to about 300 rides per 2370 01:38:44,960 --> 01:38:46,159 day. 2371 01:38:46,159 --> 01:38:49,920 We started at 174 on April 2nd. I can 2372 01:38:49,920 --> 01:38:52,880 tell you on April 28th, which is when I 2373 01:38:52,880 --> 01:38:55,440 put this presentation together, we did 2374 01:38:55,440 --> 01:38:58,560 427 rights that day. So, we are 2375 01:38:58,560 --> 01:39:01,600 definitely in four months ahead of what 2376 01:39:01,600 --> 01:39:03,679 we had planned for. That's the success 2377 01:39:03,679 --> 01:39:05,520 and the challenge that comes with that 2378 01:39:05,520 --> 01:39:10,709 success. Next one, please. 2379 01:39:10,719 --> 01:39:13,119 Don't take it from me. Listen to some of 2380 01:39:13,119 --> 01:39:21,750 the writers. 2381 01:39:21,760 --> 01:39:23,840 My name is Greg K. I've lived in 2382 01:39:23,840 --> 01:39:25,840 Bradford for 14 years. 2383 01:39:25,840 --> 01:39:27,990 >> Name's Bonnie Walker. I was born and 2384 01:39:27,990 --> 01:39:28,000 » Name's Bonnie Walker. I was born and 2385 01:39:28,000 --> 01:39:31,750 raised here. 2386 01:39:31,760 --> 01:39:35,199 » What was it like before Fargo? 2387 01:39:35,199 --> 01:39:37,590 >> Quite expensive to go to hospital for 2388 01:39:37,590 --> 01:39:37,600 » Quite expensive to go to hospital for 2389 01:39:37,600 --> 01:39:41,199 treatment in it. 65 $85 one way. 2390 01:39:41,199 --> 01:39:43,510 >> She had to wait for a while for taxis. 2391 01:39:43,510 --> 01:39:43,520 » She had to wait for a while for taxis. 2392 01:39:43,520 --> 01:39:45,679 So there were nights where I might walk 2393 01:39:45,679 --> 01:39:50,159 about 45 plus minutes home. 2394 01:39:50,159 --> 01:39:51,910 >> Do you happen to like to wait in the 2395 01:39:51,910 --> 01:39:51,920 » Do you happen to like to wait in the 2396 01:39:51,920 --> 01:39:54,159 winter time? You like to wait for half 2397 01:39:54,159 --> 01:39:57,280 an hour cuz you just missed the bus. 2398 01:39:57,280 --> 01:40:06,470 Enjoy. 2399 01:40:06,480 --> 01:40:08,960 Before Argo, a lot of my staff would use 2400 01:40:08,960 --> 01:40:11,679 a ride sharing type service. They now 2401 01:40:11,679 --> 01:40:13,760 have the opportunity to get that 2402 01:40:13,760 --> 01:40:16,719 doortodoor service. Usually when I go to 2403 01:40:16,719 --> 01:40:19,760 concerts, we order the artgo and we go 2404 01:40:19,760 --> 01:40:21,840 to the station and then we take the 2405 01:40:21,840 --> 01:40:24,480 train and it's wonderful. 2406 01:40:24,480 --> 01:40:28,400 I use it like five times the same day. 2407 01:40:28,400 --> 01:40:31,679 With a I save a lot of money. 2408 01:40:31,679 --> 01:40:34,310 >> It's a phenomenal service. I get my card 2409 01:40:34,310 --> 01:40:34,320 » It's a phenomenal service. I get my card 2410 01:40:34,320 --> 01:40:37,119 on the bus and I can travel all day long 2411 01:40:37,119 --> 01:40:39,840 delivering honey and it cost me $7 2412 01:40:39,840 --> 01:40:41,360 because it's an hour and a half for a 2413 01:40:41,360 --> 01:40:44,159 dollar. The app is absolutely fantastic. 2414 01:40:44,159 --> 01:40:47,040 They're extremely good drivers. I like 2415 01:40:47,040 --> 01:40:48,800 the door to door service especially come 2416 01:40:48,800 --> 01:40:50,639 like the winter time. You can stay in 2417 01:40:50,639 --> 01:40:52,719 your house. You can look out your window 2418 01:40:52,719 --> 01:40:54,960 instead of crossing a busy intersection 2419 01:40:54,960 --> 01:40:57,280 with my two kids who both have autism. 2420 01:40:57,280 --> 01:40:59,119 So have the Argo service. It's just a 2421 01:40:59,119 --> 01:41:02,320 safer way of transportation. 2422 01:41:02,320 --> 01:41:05,360 The bus has been a godsend for me. 2423 01:41:05,360 --> 01:41:07,199 That's really opened up the doors for me 2424 01:41:07,199 --> 01:41:11,320 and others here. 2425 01:41:11,330 --> 01:41:14,639 [Music] 2426 01:41:14,639 --> 01:41:16,719 It makes me happy. They can go places 2427 01:41:16,719 --> 01:41:19,119 that they wouldn't be able to go. Argo 2428 01:41:19,119 --> 01:41:22,320 have made significant difference in the 2429 01:41:22,320 --> 01:41:26,149 communities. 2430 01:41:26,159 --> 01:41:28,560 » Because of Argo, it's been a different 2431 01:41:28,560 --> 01:41:42,070 way of life. 2432 01:41:42,080 --> 01:41:47,750 Go to the next slide, please. 2433 01:41:47,760 --> 01:41:51,510 Thank you. 2434 01:41:51,520 --> 01:41:53,920 In the 2031 transit master plan, one of 2435 01:41:53,920 --> 01:41:55,520 the themes, the common themes that kept 2436 01:41:55,520 --> 01:41:59,679 coming up was to increase service to 2437 01:41:59,679 --> 01:42:02,480 the urban core to the Bradford area. 2438 01:42:02,480 --> 01:42:05,440 What you're looking at here is a 2439 01:42:05,440 --> 01:42:07,040 comparison. 2440 01:42:07,040 --> 01:42:10,239 On the left are the air the stops on the 2441 01:42:10,239 --> 01:42:13,360 fixed transit system. on the right 2442 01:42:13,360 --> 01:42:16,159 represents one month worth of data 2443 01:42:16,159 --> 01:42:19,600 really late June into July of all the 2444 01:42:19,600 --> 01:42:21,280 stops, all the pickups, all the drop 2445 01:42:21,280 --> 01:42:25,040 offs within the community. 2446 01:42:25,040 --> 01:42:27,440 That is a full coverage. 2447 01:42:27,440 --> 01:42:29,600 We then took that one step further. What 2448 01:42:29,600 --> 01:42:32,480 we did was to take the the trips on the 2449 01:42:32,480 --> 01:42:34,960 right and imagine what h what would 2450 01:42:34,960 --> 01:42:38,719 happen if those were with fixed transit. 2451 01:42:38,719 --> 01:42:40,480 And we computed what the the wait time 2452 01:42:40,480 --> 01:42:42,320 would be, what the right time would be, 2453 01:42:42,320 --> 01:42:44,320 what the walking time would be. And what 2454 01:42:44,320 --> 01:42:46,719 you see the numbers below are the 2455 01:42:46,719 --> 01:42:49,600 comparison of the median rides on fixed 2456 01:42:49,600 --> 01:42:51,280 transit. 2457 01:42:51,280 --> 01:42:52,960 The median trip time, total trip time 2458 01:42:52,960 --> 01:42:55,520 would be 69 minutes. 2459 01:42:55,520 --> 01:42:58,239 The median trip time on on demand 2460 01:42:58,239 --> 01:43:02,480 transit was close to 26 minutes. 2461 01:43:02,480 --> 01:43:05,119 So there is a benefit, but there are 2462 01:43:05,119 --> 01:43:07,440 challenges with it. Did you go to the 2463 01:43:07,440 --> 01:43:13,350 next one? 2464 01:43:13,360 --> 01:43:14,800 Uh, something is supposed to come up 2465 01:43:14,800 --> 01:43:17,840 here. One more, please. 2466 01:43:17,840 --> 01:43:20,400 Yeah, there we go. 2467 01:43:20,400 --> 01:43:22,320 There we go. 2468 01:43:22,320 --> 01:43:24,320 This one I'm going to blame on it slow 2469 01:43:24,320 --> 01:43:26,480 systems. 2470 01:43:26,480 --> 01:43:30,880 Um, challenges. In July, 2471 01:43:30,880 --> 01:43:34,080 we did just over 9,100 trips to when I 2472 01:43:34,080 --> 01:43:36,239 put this presentation together. 2473 01:43:36,239 --> 01:43:39,679 We had 57 complaints. Of that 57 2474 01:43:39,679 --> 01:43:42,000 complaints, half of it was for weight 2475 01:43:42,000 --> 01:43:43,840 times, and I'll speak to that in a 2476 01:43:43,840 --> 01:43:48,320 second. 30% of it were about the app and 2477 01:43:48,320 --> 01:43:50,719 primarily about 2478 01:43:50,719 --> 01:43:52,719 not being sure where the pickup location 2479 01:43:52,719 --> 01:43:53,840 would be and where the drop off 2480 01:43:53,840 --> 01:43:57,520 location, how to get there. Um, some 2481 01:43:57,520 --> 01:43:58,880 were on driver. We did some 2482 01:43:58,880 --> 01:44:01,679 investigation there. Um a fair number of 2483 01:44:01,679 --> 01:44:04,800 those were actually customer 2484 01:44:04,800 --> 01:44:07,280 interaction complaints. 2485 01:44:07,280 --> 01:44:10,800 Um could you go forward please? 2486 01:44:10,800 --> 01:44:12,320 So how were we addressing the weight 2487 01:44:12,320 --> 01:44:13,840 times? 2488 01:44:13,840 --> 01:44:15,520 One of the things that we heard from the 2489 01:44:15,520 --> 01:44:17,199 residents 2490 01:44:17,199 --> 01:44:20,719 um around wait time was not so much that 2491 01:44:20,719 --> 01:44:24,080 they had to wait a long time and to be 2492 01:44:24,080 --> 01:44:27,199 to be transparent to everyone in our 2493 01:44:27,199 --> 01:44:29,119 peak periods which is generally in the 2494 01:44:29,119 --> 01:44:31,840 afternoons wait times what we call the 2495 01:44:31,840 --> 01:44:35,119 P95 wait time which is 95 5% of the 2496 01:44:35,119 --> 01:44:39,679 weight time could approach an hour 2497 01:44:39,679 --> 01:44:44,000 that is a direct indication of demand 2498 01:44:44,000 --> 01:44:46,719 outstripping supply. So you have to wait 2499 01:44:46,719 --> 01:44:50,239 until the bus becomes available. Um 2500 01:44:50,239 --> 01:44:52,800 around that as well, some of the 2501 01:44:52,800 --> 01:44:55,679 concern, some of the anxiety was needing 2502 01:44:55,679 --> 01:44:58,159 to get somewhere by a specific time and 2503 01:44:58,159 --> 01:45:00,239 not being sure 2504 01:45:00,239 --> 01:45:01,840 um if you're going to get there by that 2505 01:45:01,840 --> 01:45:03,360 time. 2506 01:45:03,360 --> 01:45:05,280 So as a team we've looked at how can we 2507 01:45:05,280 --> 01:45:07,679 resolve this and one of the improve 2508 01:45:07,679 --> 01:45:08,960 improvements that will be coming out 2509 01:45:08,960 --> 01:45:11,600 within the next month in September would 2510 01:45:11,600 --> 01:45:14,000 be around predictability of your ride. 2511 01:45:14,000 --> 01:45:16,800 If you plan ahead you can get to your 2512 01:45:16,800 --> 01:45:19,440 location at the time you want. So how 2513 01:45:19,440 --> 01:45:21,840 are we going to do that? 2514 01:45:21,840 --> 01:45:24,239 We'll allow so the the update that's 2515 01:45:24,239 --> 01:45:27,440 coming is to preschedu your ride. book 2516 01:45:27,440 --> 01:45:29,280 it in advance and you can book days in 2517 01:45:29,280 --> 01:45:31,920 advance and you can book repeated rides 2518 01:45:31,920 --> 01:45:34,400 every day. Um and the system will track 2519 01:45:34,400 --> 01:45:37,520 those for you one hour in advance of 2520 01:45:37,520 --> 01:45:40,239 that ride. You will get a reminder your 2521 01:45:40,239 --> 01:45:42,560 ride is in coming in an hour. Please 2522 01:45:42,560 --> 01:45:45,760 reconfirm. If you've reconfirmed that we 2523 01:45:45,760 --> 01:45:47,520 will guarantee that you will arrive 2524 01:45:47,520 --> 01:45:51,750 within on that time. 2525 01:45:51,760 --> 01:45:54,239 So that will give the predictability 2526 01:45:54,239 --> 01:45:57,840 that riders are looking for. Um, yes, 2527 01:45:57,840 --> 01:46:00,719 there is a catch that could end up 2528 01:46:00,719 --> 01:46:02,639 everybody prescheduling. We don't 2529 01:46:02,639 --> 01:46:05,119 believe we will get there. Um, but what 2530 01:46:05,119 --> 01:46:06,639 we're allowing is that with planning 2531 01:46:06,639 --> 01:46:09,119 ahead, you can have full control of what 2532 01:46:09,119 --> 01:46:12,159 is it you want to do. And that's where 2533 01:46:12,159 --> 01:46:14,000 we're going with this one. So, that's in 2534 01:46:14,000 --> 01:46:17,109 September. 2535 01:46:17,119 --> 01:46:23,990 Could you go to the next one, please? 2536 01:46:24,000 --> 01:46:25,760 The other complaints that we did receive 2537 01:46:25,760 --> 01:46:28,239 on the app was 2538 01:46:28,239 --> 01:46:30,320 not knowing or not knowing how to get to 2539 01:46:30,320 --> 01:46:33,040 the location of pickup. Um, right now 2540 01:46:33,040 --> 01:46:36,000 the app does show you a way to get 2541 01:46:36,000 --> 01:46:39,040 there. It could be improved. So within 2542 01:46:39,040 --> 01:46:40,960 the next two weeks, you will get that 2543 01:46:40,960 --> 01:46:43,199 walking direction on the app to get 2544 01:46:43,199 --> 01:46:44,719 there. 2545 01:46:44,719 --> 01:46:48,400 So that's coming in September. Another 2546 01:46:48,400 --> 01:46:50,880 roll out will be if you're going to the 2547 01:46:50,880 --> 01:46:52,639 GO station, 2548 01:46:52,639 --> 01:46:56,320 the app will show you the trip time, the 2549 01:46:56,320 --> 01:46:58,400 scheduled trip times for the transit 2550 01:46:58,400 --> 01:47:00,080 there. 2551 01:47:00,080 --> 01:47:01,840 So you you'll be able to plan your trip 2552 01:47:01,840 --> 01:47:03,280 with planning ahead. You'll be able to 2553 01:47:03,280 --> 01:47:05,679 plan your your trips out. That's where 2554 01:47:05,679 --> 01:47:07,520 we're going with this. And these are 2555 01:47:07,520 --> 01:47:10,159 coming in September. So again, if you're 2556 01:47:10,159 --> 01:47:12,159 willing to plan at least an hour ahead, 2557 01:47:12,159 --> 01:47:14,880 you can have control of your experience. 2558 01:47:14,880 --> 01:47:18,550 And that's what this is about. 2559 01:47:18,560 --> 01:47:27,590 Go ahead, please. 2560 01:47:27,600 --> 01:47:30,560 So, what are we projecting? 2561 01:47:30,560 --> 01:47:33,040 This projection here is a measured 2562 01:47:33,040 --> 01:47:35,679 approach of where we think we can go 2563 01:47:35,679 --> 01:47:39,679 towards building to the 420,000 2564 01:47:39,679 --> 01:47:42,719 annual rise that the 2031 master plan 2565 01:47:42,719 --> 01:47:46,960 had recommended. And that was 2031. 2566 01:47:46,960 --> 01:47:49,679 Why is it a measured approach like this? 2567 01:47:49,679 --> 01:47:52,800 Two reasons 2568 01:47:52,800 --> 01:47:55,920 staff internally we've discussed that it 2569 01:47:55,920 --> 01:47:58,719 is better to grow into the demand, 2570 01:47:58,719 --> 01:48:00,960 manage our resources to get there, drive 2571 01:48:00,960 --> 01:48:03,199 efficiencies to get there versus 2572 01:48:03,199 --> 01:48:05,040 expanding the system right now and 2573 01:48:05,040 --> 01:48:07,920 taking and growing those inefficiencies. 2574 01:48:07,920 --> 01:48:09,600 So this is a measured growth to get 2575 01:48:09,600 --> 01:48:13,840 there. Um also to grow to this level 2576 01:48:13,840 --> 01:48:15,280 would require a fair bit of 2577 01:48:15,280 --> 01:48:17,520 infrastructure that we don't today have. 2578 01:48:17,520 --> 01:48:19,119 We will have to build that if we get 2579 01:48:19,119 --> 01:48:21,679 there. Um so this takes a measured 2580 01:48:21,679 --> 01:48:24,320 approach to get there. What I'm looking 2581 01:48:24,320 --> 01:48:26,719 for um 2582 01:48:26,719 --> 01:48:29,600 going forward is procurement process 2583 01:48:29,600 --> 01:48:31,840 that allows us to do this and allows us 2584 01:48:31,840 --> 01:48:33,760 to do this in the most cost effective 2585 01:48:33,760 --> 01:48:36,480 way. 2586 01:48:36,480 --> 01:48:39,040 The challenge with getting to what I 2587 01:48:39,040 --> 01:48:42,320 just showed you is funding it. How do we 2588 01:48:42,320 --> 01:48:45,600 fund it? Honestly, Bradford as a 2589 01:48:45,600 --> 01:48:48,800 community, unless we do some massive 2590 01:48:48,800 --> 01:48:52,800 um internal revenue generation would be 2591 01:48:52,800 --> 01:48:56,800 a challenge. We need a partner on this. 2592 01:48:56,800 --> 01:48:58,320 We've reached out to the province. We've 2593 01:48:58,320 --> 01:48:59,840 had initial conversations with the 2594 01:48:59,840 --> 01:49:02,800 province. We've shared with them a draft 2595 01:49:02,800 --> 01:49:05,360 application and we've had discussions of 2596 01:49:05,360 --> 01:49:06,719 that draft applications and they've 2597 01:49:06,719 --> 01:49:10,470 given us feedback. 2598 01:49:10,480 --> 01:49:16,719 That process or that funding window 2599 01:49:16,719 --> 01:49:19,920 is for a five-year fund 2600 01:49:19,920 --> 01:49:23,840 that allows us to set the system and 2601 01:49:23,840 --> 01:49:26,400 grow our own internal revenues through 2602 01:49:26,400 --> 01:49:28,960 various means so that at the end of five 2603 01:49:28,960 --> 01:49:31,119 years it is sustainable. So they will 2604 01:49:31,119 --> 01:49:34,639 fund the gap up to that point. Our 2605 01:49:34,639 --> 01:49:37,600 thinking to fund um sustainability will 2606 01:49:37,600 --> 01:49:38,639 be a number of things that will be 2607 01:49:38,639 --> 01:49:41,600 subject to to council's endorsement. 2608 01:49:41,600 --> 01:49:43,199 The ideas that we're looking at right 2609 01:49:43,199 --> 01:49:46,320 now are targeted uh fair increases. I 2610 01:49:46,320 --> 01:49:48,560 say targeted because 2611 01:49:48,560 --> 01:49:50,320 it would be to the demographic that can 2612 01:49:50,320 --> 01:49:58,950 afford it. We are looking at um 2613 01:49:58,960 --> 01:50:02,320 we are looking at um revenue growth 2614 01:50:02,320 --> 01:50:05,199 through sponsorship through advertising. 2615 01:50:05,199 --> 01:50:08,480 We are looking at revenue growth through 2616 01:50:08,480 --> 01:50:10,719 um 2617 01:50:10,719 --> 01:50:13,440 assessment growth that this will drive 2618 01:50:13,440 --> 01:50:15,679 um a number of different ways to get to 2619 01:50:15,679 --> 01:50:18,080 that sustainable measures. But that's 2620 01:50:18,080 --> 01:50:21,600 where we need to get to. 2621 01:50:21,600 --> 01:50:23,040 We're also looking at other funding 2622 01:50:23,040 --> 01:50:25,520 sources such as the green fund and 2623 01:50:25,520 --> 01:50:27,840 anything that comes up we are targeting. 2624 01:50:27,840 --> 01:50:30,639 But the idea is to target consistent 2625 01:50:30,639 --> 01:50:33,600 repeatable funding sources to augment. 2626 01:50:33,600 --> 01:50:35,199 We already have one that will last for 2627 01:50:35,199 --> 01:50:37,199 10 years. This is for capital. We'll be 2628 01:50:37,199 --> 01:50:40,080 looking for more like those. Um the last 2629 01:50:40,080 --> 01:50:41,840 one that will drive that will happen to 2630 01:50:41,840 --> 01:50:44,639 us is that if we can drive our ridership 2631 01:50:44,639 --> 01:50:49,040 from 60,000 to 350 400,000 it will 2632 01:50:49,040 --> 01:50:50,719 result in an increase in the Canada 2633 01:50:50,719 --> 01:50:53,199 community uh benefits fund the gas tax 2634 01:50:53,199 --> 01:50:54,800 and that will be a funding source for us 2635 01:50:54,800 --> 01:50:58,080 going up as well. We see that we can get 2636 01:50:58,080 --> 01:51:00,719 to sustainability in five to six years. 2637 01:51:00,719 --> 01:51:10,870 We see a path to that. Next one please. 2638 01:51:10,880 --> 01:51:12,560 So, this is what we're looking to do 2639 01:51:12,560 --> 01:51:15,520 over the next uh a few months. 2640 01:51:15,520 --> 01:51:17,520 Release start a procurement process for 2641 01:51:17,520 --> 01:51:20,320 a five-year TR uh contract. And why a 2642 01:51:20,320 --> 01:51:22,400 five-year contract? 2643 01:51:22,400 --> 01:51:27,679 Anybody who's coming in um and I can't 2644 01:51:27,679 --> 01:51:30,320 predicate what I'm doing that's saying 2645 01:51:30,320 --> 01:51:32,159 the pilot will continue. No, it's not 2646 01:51:32,159 --> 01:51:34,400 that. This is going to a competitive 2647 01:51:34,400 --> 01:51:36,400 procurement process that there is a 2648 01:51:36,400 --> 01:51:38,800 potential that it could be somebody new. 2649 01:51:38,800 --> 01:51:41,040 Whoever is coming 2650 01:51:41,040 --> 01:51:44,480 will need to invest a significant amount 2651 01:51:44,480 --> 01:51:46,639 in terms of startup costs. They need to 2652 01:51:46,639 --> 01:51:49,280 recover that. If the procurement period, 2653 01:51:49,280 --> 01:51:51,360 if the the contract period is short, 2654 01:51:51,360 --> 01:51:53,360 they will look to recover that in that 2655 01:51:53,360 --> 01:51:56,080 short period. Higher annual cost to us. 2656 01:51:56,080 --> 01:51:58,000 So this is looking at a reasonable way 2657 01:51:58,000 --> 01:51:59,840 for them to spread that. So we get the 2658 01:51:59,840 --> 01:52:04,080 the the biggest benefit from that. 2659 01:52:04,080 --> 01:52:06,800 It would be based on options. 2660 01:52:06,800 --> 01:52:08,800 One is we get the full funding from the 2661 01:52:08,800 --> 01:52:10,080 province and therefore it could be 2662 01:52:10,080 --> 01:52:12,400 funded and going forward. But a second 2663 01:52:12,400 --> 01:52:14,560 option would be we don't get that 2664 01:52:14,560 --> 01:52:16,239 funding and we need to work within our 2665 01:52:16,239 --> 01:52:18,960 own funding source. If that happens, we 2666 01:52:18,960 --> 01:52:20,560 would have to look back at the 2667 01:52:20,560 --> 01:52:22,480 writership numbers and how we get to 2668 01:52:22,480 --> 01:52:25,520 that and what we could internally 2669 01:52:25,520 --> 01:52:27,920 afford. 2670 01:52:27,920 --> 01:52:29,679 The RFP, we're looking to release it 2671 01:52:29,679 --> 01:52:32,719 later in August, close it in October, 2672 01:52:32,719 --> 01:52:34,639 evaluate and have something by the end 2673 01:52:34,639 --> 01:52:37,280 of October, early November. Um, and we 2674 01:52:37,280 --> 01:52:38,639 would have to come to council for that 2675 01:52:38,639 --> 01:52:40,719 award. That's not something that's going 2676 01:52:40,719 --> 01:52:43,040 to be at a staff level. So it'll be here 2677 01:52:43,040 --> 01:52:44,639 back at council for the discussion in 2678 01:52:44,639 --> 01:52:46,480 terms of funding where we're going and 2679 01:52:46,480 --> 01:52:50,400 how we're paying for it all. Um 2680 01:52:50,400 --> 01:52:52,560 that period will allow six months that 2681 01:52:52,560 --> 01:52:54,480 assuming that it's it could potentially 2682 01:52:54,480 --> 01:52:56,719 be someone new 2683 01:52:56,719 --> 01:52:58,400 allowing that mobilization period for 2684 01:52:58,400 --> 01:53:00,320 them to get their act and get their 2685 01:53:00,320 --> 01:53:02,880 resources here and that's what it is and 2686 01:53:02,880 --> 01:53:06,320 that brings me to the end. 2687 01:53:06,320 --> 01:53:07,910 >> All right. Thank you very much for that 2688 01:53:07,910 --> 01:53:07,920 » All right. Thank you very much for that 2689 01:53:07,920 --> 01:53:10,400 report. I have a few people that went 2690 01:53:10,400 --> 01:53:12,159 right away. So I will go right. The 2691 01:53:12,159 --> 01:53:13,599 first one that hit me was councelor 2692 01:53:13,599 --> 01:53:18,149 and then councelor Jordano next. 2693 01:53:18,159 --> 01:53:19,760 So 2694 01:53:19,760 --> 01:53:21,679 the comments that I've received from so 2695 01:53:21,679 --> 01:53:24,800 many residents is that this system is a 2696 01:53:24,800 --> 01:53:27,760 gamecher for them and it's also from 2697 01:53:27,760 --> 01:53:29,440 what I'm seeing on the map the fixed 2698 01:53:29,440 --> 01:53:31,040 routes 2699 01:53:31,040 --> 01:53:33,920 only serve maybe half the population in 2700 01:53:33,920 --> 01:53:36,239 town because the fixed roots were over 2701 01:53:36,239 --> 01:53:38,159 here over here. But if you lived over 2702 01:53:38,159 --> 01:53:41,440 here, you'd have to walk 20 minutes or 2703 01:53:41,440 --> 01:53:43,679 15 minutes to get to the bus. That 2704 01:53:43,679 --> 01:53:45,920 didn't make any sense at all. And then 2705 01:53:45,920 --> 01:53:47,599 if the fixed route didn't take you to 2706 01:53:47,599 --> 01:53:50,000 where you needed to go, you'd have to 2707 01:53:50,000 --> 01:53:52,000 walk it. So that made no sense. It was 2708 01:53:52,000 --> 01:53:53,280 just as well, you might as well just 2709 01:53:53,280 --> 01:53:56,159 walk the uh half an hour to get to where 2710 01:53:56,159 --> 01:53:58,080 you needed to go. So the tra public 2711 01:53:58,080 --> 01:54:01,920 transit system only served a small small 2712 01:54:01,920 --> 01:54:03,840 percentage of the town. And you had 2713 01:54:03,840 --> 01:54:06,719 three buses going around. they were 2714 01:54:06,719 --> 01:54:08,480 always empty. Maybe they had two or 2715 01:54:08,480 --> 01:54:09,679 three people in there. So, we were 2716 01:54:09,679 --> 01:54:14,400 basically just wasting money. Um, so I 2717 01:54:14,400 --> 01:54:17,199 would like to move to support this 2718 01:54:17,199 --> 01:54:18,960 recommendation, but I do have a couple 2719 01:54:18,960 --> 01:54:23,599 questions. Um, how do we overcome the 2720 01:54:23,599 --> 01:54:25,840 budget? like how do if if we want to 2721 01:54:25,840 --> 01:54:29,119 award the contract in November 2025, we 2722 01:54:29,119 --> 01:54:31,360 haven't completed the budget process, 2723 01:54:31,360 --> 01:54:33,119 wouldn't it make more sense to award the 2724 01:54:33,119 --> 01:54:35,360 contract after we've completed our 2725 01:54:35,360 --> 01:54:41,510 budget 2726 01:54:41,520 --> 01:54:43,840 uh through Mayor Lukai. 2727 01:54:43,840 --> 01:54:47,760 Fair point. Um the hope is at that point 2728 01:54:47,760 --> 01:54:50,159 in time we would have received word on 2729 01:54:50,159 --> 01:54:51,679 the provincial funding so we'll know the 2730 01:54:51,679 --> 01:54:53,440 funding sources that we've got and we 2731 01:54:53,440 --> 01:54:54,719 could come to you and say okay here are 2732 01:54:54,719 --> 01:54:56,400 the funding sources here how we can fund 2733 01:54:56,400 --> 01:54:59,760 this without impacting the tax base. 2734 01:54:59,760 --> 01:55:02,080 That's the hope. 2735 01:55:02,080 --> 01:55:04,070 >> And if we don't then 2736 01:55:04,070 --> 01:55:04,080 » And if we don't then 2737 01:55:04,080 --> 01:55:05,669 >> plan B, 2738 01:55:05,669 --> 01:55:05,679 » plan B, 2739 01:55:05,679 --> 01:55:07,109 >> what's plan B? 2740 01:55:07,109 --> 01:55:07,119 » what's plan B? 2741 01:55:07,119 --> 01:55:10,629 >> Coming back to to you for to council to 2742 01:55:10,629 --> 01:55:10,639 » Coming back to to you for to council to 2743 01:55:10,639 --> 01:55:13,040 evaluate an option that stays within 2744 01:55:13,040 --> 01:55:18,950 what is it we can afford to fund. 2745 01:55:18,960 --> 01:55:20,400 » Okay, I've got councelor Gordano and 2746 01:55:20,400 --> 01:55:23,679 then councelor Scott. 2747 01:55:23,679 --> 01:55:25,669 >> Well, thanks for the presentation. I 2748 01:55:25,669 --> 01:55:25,679 » Well, thanks for the presentation. I 2749 01:55:25,679 --> 01:55:27,199 know we've been talking a lot back and 2750 01:55:27,199 --> 01:55:28,639 forth over email as this thing rolled 2751 01:55:28,639 --> 01:55:30,560 out. So, I just want to start off by 2752 01:55:30,560 --> 01:55:34,080 saying I I really want uh this this kind 2753 01:55:34,080 --> 01:55:36,320 of on demand system to work. I I think 2754 01:55:36,320 --> 01:55:38,719 my wife doesn't drive. I have uh 2755 01:55:38,719 --> 01:55:40,719 children that don't drive yet. It's it 2756 01:55:40,719 --> 01:55:44,560 is a game changer. Um when it works and 2757 01:55:44,560 --> 01:55:47,119 um I definitely endorse the pilot. Um 2758 01:55:47,119 --> 01:55:48,400 there's a few things I just want to talk 2759 01:55:48,400 --> 01:55:49,199 about. So, I don't know if you want to 2760 01:55:49,199 --> 01:55:50,159 write these down and then maybe it's 2761 01:55:50,159 --> 01:55:51,199 easier if I just go through them all and 2762 01:55:51,199 --> 01:55:53,199 then you can answer back. Um but the one 2763 01:55:53,199 --> 01:55:54,560 thing was the presentation. Like we 2764 01:55:54,560 --> 01:55:56,400 didn't have access to that video ahead 2765 01:55:56,400 --> 01:55:58,880 of time. It didn't work in our uh in our 2766 01:55:58,880 --> 01:56:00,800 system here to view it, but I did find 2767 01:56:00,800 --> 01:56:02,480 that it was very handpicked advantageous 2768 01:56:02,480 --> 01:56:04,880 promotional video. It wasn't really uh 2769 01:56:04,880 --> 01:56:06,400 it was just only showcasing lovers of 2770 01:56:06,400 --> 01:56:08,719 the system. Um I I would have liked 2771 01:56:08,719 --> 01:56:09,760 something maybe a little more 2772 01:56:09,760 --> 01:56:13,360 transparent and uh showing not just the 2773 01:56:13,360 --> 01:56:15,040 people that are loving it, but also 2774 01:56:15,040 --> 01:56:16,159 maybe some of the challenges that 2775 01:56:16,159 --> 01:56:18,320 they're working through. Um like there's 2776 01:56:18,320 --> 01:56:19,679 one gentleman who's actually running a 2777 01:56:19,679 --> 01:56:22,000 business uh being subsidized a dollar a 2778 01:56:22,000 --> 01:56:24,639 ride to deliver products. I don't think 2779 01:56:24,639 --> 01:56:26,000 that was the intent of this. This is a 2780 01:56:26,000 --> 01:56:27,199 public transportation system, not to 2781 01:56:27,199 --> 01:56:29,679 subsidize somebody's business. Um, 2782 01:56:29,679 --> 01:56:31,520 anyways, 2783 01:56:31,520 --> 01:56:34,000 um, a few things that I want to talk 2784 01:56:34,000 --> 01:56:35,040 about. Like I know we're talking about 2785 01:56:35,040 --> 01:56:37,520 successes, but realistically I don't 2786 01:56:37,520 --> 01:56:39,199 think we're able to raise the flag of 2787 01:56:39,199 --> 01:56:40,560 success yet. Although it it works 2788 01:56:40,560 --> 01:56:42,000 fantastically, there's a few concerns 2789 01:56:42,000 --> 01:56:43,679 that we've had. And just remember that 2790 01:56:43,679 --> 01:56:45,360 the public didn't have access to this. 2791 01:56:45,360 --> 01:56:47,199 Only a select few people had access to 2792 01:56:47,199 --> 01:56:48,960 this and we slowly started rolling it 2793 01:56:48,960 --> 01:56:51,520 out. Heck, I had to constantly mail the 2794 01:56:51,520 --> 01:56:54,639 deputy CEO to try to get users on it. 2795 01:56:54,639 --> 01:56:57,119 like that's not in my opinion a pilot. I 2796 01:56:57,119 --> 01:56:58,560 think we're way too premature to say 2797 01:56:58,560 --> 01:57:00,080 that it's a successful pilot at this 2798 01:57:00,080 --> 01:57:02,800 point. Um, 2799 01:57:02,800 --> 01:57:04,800 so at the end of the day, we still 2800 01:57:04,800 --> 01:57:06,239 haven't rolled out the app there. People 2801 01:57:06,239 --> 01:57:09,520 are are having to walk to a station 2802 01:57:09,520 --> 01:57:12,239 needing a cell phone in order to call to 2803 01:57:12,239 --> 01:57:14,080 say, "Hey, I need a I need a a bus 2804 01:57:14,080 --> 01:57:16,080 pickup." Oh, okay. It'll be there in 20 2805 01:57:16,080 --> 01:57:18,719 minutes. Okay, great. Now, when the bus 2806 01:57:18,719 --> 01:57:19,920 when you have the app, the bus says, 2807 01:57:19,920 --> 01:57:21,760 "Oh, I'm being delayed, so it'll come in 2808 01:57:21,760 --> 01:57:23,599 another 3540 minutes." But the people 2809 01:57:23,599 --> 01:57:25,199 who are at the bus, they don't know 2810 01:57:25,199 --> 01:57:26,239 that. So now they're sitting there 2811 01:57:26,239 --> 01:57:27,280 waiting and then they got to call back. 2812 01:57:27,280 --> 01:57:28,239 Oh, sorry. It's delay another 20 2813 01:57:28,239 --> 01:57:29,280 minutes. So they've already been outside 2814 01:57:29,280 --> 01:57:32,239 for 40 minutes, waiting for uh the bus 2815 01:57:32,239 --> 01:57:34,560 to come. So these are the gaps that we 2816 01:57:34,560 --> 01:57:37,760 need to get solved. Um because right now 2817 01:57:37,760 --> 01:57:39,440 those types of situations, people are 2818 01:57:39,440 --> 01:57:40,719 like, I might as well just walk at this 2819 01:57:40,719 --> 01:57:42,960 point right now. When it does come 2820 01:57:42,960 --> 01:57:44,639 relatively quickly or on time, it's 2821 01:57:44,639 --> 01:57:46,320 fantastic. It's door-todoor service a 2822 01:57:46,320 --> 01:57:48,400 lot of cases. And I agree, when you look 2823 01:57:48,400 --> 01:57:50,639 at the coverage, it's far better than 2824 01:57:50,639 --> 01:57:52,800 what we've had in the past. So, I I do I 2825 01:57:52,800 --> 01:57:53,920 do want to say some of that, but I think 2826 01:57:53,920 --> 01:57:55,920 we need to roll out this pilot longer 2827 01:57:55,920 --> 01:57:59,520 and collect more actual data. Um, again, 2828 01:57:59,520 --> 01:58:01,119 the wait times, it's caused people to 2829 01:58:01,119 --> 01:58:03,040 miss uh meetings. There's lots of people 2830 01:58:03,040 --> 01:58:04,639 that I've spoken to me saying like, I 2831 01:58:04,639 --> 01:58:06,080 love it, but then the odd time I just I 2832 01:58:06,080 --> 01:58:07,599 I can't get there on time or delays me, 2833 01:58:07,599 --> 01:58:09,360 delays me, delays me, and I'm stuck, you 2834 01:58:09,360 --> 01:58:10,639 know, missing an appointment or being 2835 01:58:10,639 --> 01:58:11,520 charged for an appointment that I 2836 01:58:11,520 --> 01:58:14,239 couldn't get to in time. Uh, the the on 2837 01:58:14,239 --> 01:58:16,639 demand pre-booking, that's a gamecher. I 2838 01:58:16,639 --> 01:58:18,719 think that's huge. I love that and I 2839 01:58:18,719 --> 01:58:21,360 think that's the future to probably make 2840 01:58:21,360 --> 01:58:22,800 this more successful than what it is 2841 01:58:22,800 --> 01:58:25,679 right now. U but my concern is is that 2842 01:58:25,679 --> 01:58:27,040 you made a guarantee. You said that 2843 01:58:27,040 --> 01:58:29,280 there's a guarantee to get you on time. 2844 01:58:29,280 --> 01:58:30,960 I want to know more about this guarantee 2845 01:58:30,960 --> 01:58:32,159 because I'll tell you right now, if you 2846 01:58:32,159 --> 01:58:33,760 have a snowstorm, if there's an 2847 01:58:33,760 --> 01:58:36,320 accident, if there's just heavy demand, 2848 01:58:36,320 --> 01:58:37,760 what guarantee are we giving people? 2849 01:58:37,760 --> 01:58:39,280 That's a that's a that's something that 2850 01:58:39,280 --> 01:58:40,400 needs to be addressed that you didn't do 2851 01:58:40,400 --> 01:58:43,679 it in your presentation. Um, I want to 2852 01:58:43,679 --> 01:58:44,880 see the app actually rolled out to 2853 01:58:44,880 --> 01:58:46,320 everybody to the the public because 2854 01:58:46,320 --> 01:58:48,320 right now it's only been selected given. 2855 01:58:48,320 --> 01:58:51,280 So, the last thing is that we haven't 2856 01:58:51,280 --> 01:58:52,639 even ran these buses in the winter time. 2857 01:58:52,639 --> 01:58:53,840 We don't even know if these buses can go 2858 01:58:53,840 --> 01:58:55,280 through 4 inches of snow. We don't know 2859 01:58:55,280 --> 01:58:56,719 any of this data. It's got little 2860 01:58:56,719 --> 01:58:58,000 wheels. It's low to the ground. It's 2861 01:58:58,000 --> 01:58:59,360 battery powered. We don't know how these 2862 01:58:59,360 --> 01:59:00,639 things will perform. I'd like to at 2863 01:59:00,639 --> 01:59:02,639 least go through the winter time and see 2864 01:59:02,639 --> 01:59:04,239 the performance before we go ahead and 2865 01:59:04,239 --> 01:59:05,840 and say, "Let's do a 5-year contract and 2866 01:59:05,840 --> 01:59:07,760 roll it out." These are all important 2867 01:59:07,760 --> 01:59:09,679 pieces of data that's missing from your 2868 01:59:09,679 --> 01:59:12,000 so-called successful pilot. We're not 2869 01:59:12,000 --> 01:59:14,480 there yet. We said a one-year pilot. I 2870 01:59:14,480 --> 01:59:16,000 want to count one year when it rolls out 2871 01:59:16,000 --> 01:59:17,280 to the public, not from the day we 2872 01:59:17,280 --> 01:59:18,719 started and we slowly drip drip drip 2873 01:59:18,719 --> 01:59:20,719 drip drip to people. It has to be one 2874 01:59:20,719 --> 01:59:23,040 year as an actual transit system in 2875 01:59:23,040 --> 01:59:24,400 order for me to have the data to say 2876 01:59:24,400 --> 01:59:28,159 that this is fully supported. Um, and 2877 01:59:28,159 --> 01:59:29,840 then the last thing I want to say, 2878 01:59:29,840 --> 01:59:31,440 whether it's our old transit system, new 2879 01:59:31,440 --> 01:59:33,199 transit system, this transit system, we 2880 01:59:33,199 --> 01:59:35,760 need to connect to Henderson Park. 2881 01:59:35,760 --> 01:59:37,360 I I think I think at some point we need 2882 01:59:37,360 --> 01:59:39,199 to figure out how to do that as soon as 2883 01:59:39,199 --> 01:59:40,880 possible. That that place is an absolute 2884 01:59:40,880 --> 01:59:43,040 gem and it's not being connected and we 2885 01:59:43,040 --> 01:59:44,320 can't get there safely. Nobody can ride 2886 01:59:44,320 --> 01:59:46,800 their bikes or walk there and like 2887 01:59:46,800 --> 01:59:48,159 there's so many families that would 2888 01:59:48,159 --> 01:59:49,599 utilize that place so much more during 2889 01:59:49,599 --> 01:59:51,360 the day. So that's a priority for me for 2890 01:59:51,360 --> 01:59:56,629 this transit system. Thank you. 2891 01:59:56,639 --> 01:59:58,320 » You want to respond to any questions? 2892 01:59:58,320 --> 01:59:59,520 Sure. 2893 01:59:59,520 --> 02:00:01,270 >> Um 2894 02:00:01,270 --> 02:00:01,280 » Um 2895 02:00:01,280 --> 02:00:03,280 I wrote them down so I'll I'll go 2896 02:00:03,280 --> 02:00:05,440 through all of them. One of them I might 2897 02:00:05,440 --> 02:00:08,400 need some help. Um 2898 02:00:08,400 --> 02:00:10,960 the video you mentioned the challenges 2899 02:00:10,960 --> 02:00:14,239 that is exactly why I had the subsequent 2900 02:00:14,239 --> 02:00:16,560 slide on the challenges. It this is 2901 02:00:16,560 --> 02:00:22,400 about transparency. Um whilst 9,100 plus 2902 02:00:22,400 --> 02:00:27,280 rides happened from July 1st to July 28 2903 02:00:27,280 --> 02:00:30,880 when I put this together, we had 57 2904 02:00:30,880 --> 02:00:33,119 complaints. And that's why I wanted to 2905 02:00:33,119 --> 02:00:34,560 put that out there. 2906 02:00:34,560 --> 02:00:37,040 um what those complaints were, the 2907 02:00:37,040 --> 02:00:39,119 general categories because it's it's 2908 02:00:39,119 --> 02:00:42,470 about transparency, 2909 02:00:42,480 --> 02:00:45,679 bus delays. Um first of all, the app, 2910 02:00:45,679 --> 02:00:54,950 everybody has access to the app. Um 2911 02:00:54,960 --> 02:01:00,229 » just let let him finish. 2912 02:01:00,239 --> 02:01:02,719 Everybody has access to the app and when 2913 02:01:02,719 --> 02:01:05,040 it comes as I said in the presentation 2914 02:01:05,040 --> 02:01:07,760 when it comes to 2915 02:01:07,760 --> 02:01:11,760 wait time that is happening when the 2916 02:01:11,760 --> 02:01:13,760 demand for the service exceeds the 2917 02:01:13,760 --> 02:01:16,639 capacity of the service. Um and that's a 2918 02:01:16,639 --> 02:01:17,840 resource issue and that's something 2919 02:01:17,840 --> 02:01:19,760 we're hoping that with the provincial 2920 02:01:19,760 --> 02:01:22,080 help we'll be able to resolve. It's not 2921 02:01:22,080 --> 02:01:23,360 something to be honest, it's not 2922 02:01:23,360 --> 02:01:26,159 something that we've got as a town. 2923 02:01:26,159 --> 02:01:29,119 We've got the resources to put to that. 2924 02:01:29,119 --> 02:01:32,480 Um, so we we do need some help. Why is 2925 02:01:32,480 --> 02:01:34,560 it a benefit that we've been telling the 2926 02:01:34,560 --> 02:01:37,280 province? It drives economic growth. Not 2927 02:01:37,280 --> 02:01:39,119 only does it drive quality of life, it 2928 02:01:39,119 --> 02:01:41,440 drives economic growth. When it 2929 02:01:41,440 --> 02:01:43,199 something drives economic growth, the 2930 02:01:43,199 --> 02:01:45,440 province benefits, the feds benefit more 2931 02:01:45,440 --> 02:01:48,000 so than we do. Um, so we need them to 2932 02:01:48,000 --> 02:01:49,360 come to the table as well. And that's 2933 02:01:49,360 --> 02:01:51,199 been the conversation. They've been good 2934 02:01:51,199 --> 02:01:52,400 in that they've come to the table. 2935 02:01:52,400 --> 02:01:53,599 They've looked at what is it we've 2936 02:01:53,599 --> 02:01:55,679 proposed. They've um they've given us 2937 02:01:55,679 --> 02:01:57,199 feedback and they've asked for a 2938 02:01:57,199 --> 02:01:58,880 resubmitt. So, we'll at least they're 2939 02:01:58,880 --> 02:02:01,199 talking to us as opposed to reviewing 2940 02:02:01,199 --> 02:02:03,760 and that's the end of it. So, we're I am 2941 02:02:03,760 --> 02:02:07,760 hopeful. I'm on that particular part. Um 2942 02:02:07,760 --> 02:02:09,760 you mentioned missing meetings, you also 2943 02:02:09,760 --> 02:02:12,080 mentioned the the app in terms of the 2944 02:02:12,080 --> 02:02:14,000 being able to plan ahead. Yes, that will 2945 02:02:14,000 --> 02:02:16,880 be a game changer. um it'll roll out 2946 02:02:16,880 --> 02:02:18,800 next month. So, we'll see where that 2947 02:02:18,800 --> 02:02:22,239 goes and how that goes. Um 2948 02:02:22,239 --> 02:02:25,679 why coming now for an update and saying 2949 02:02:25,679 --> 02:02:28,800 we need to go forward? I can't make a 2950 02:02:28,800 --> 02:02:30,880 decision assuming that it will be the 2951 02:02:30,880 --> 02:02:34,000 same provider going forward. I have to 2952 02:02:34,000 --> 02:02:35,840 consider that there is a potential that 2953 02:02:35,840 --> 02:02:38,480 someone else some other firm could be 2954 02:02:38,480 --> 02:02:41,040 successful and if they were successful 2955 02:02:41,040 --> 02:02:43,520 they would need time to remobilize time 2956 02:02:43,520 --> 02:02:45,920 to set up their infrastructure to start 2957 02:02:45,920 --> 02:02:49,360 on April 1st. They need timing ahead of 2958 02:02:49,360 --> 02:02:51,599 that. If I were to wait to the end of 2959 02:02:51,599 --> 02:02:54,639 the pilot which is April f March 31st 2960 02:02:54,639 --> 02:02:56,800 then they would not have that time to 2961 02:02:56,800 --> 02:02:59,520 mobilize. Um that would be a challenge 2962 02:02:59,520 --> 02:03:02,800 for us. So that is why I'm here now. Um 2963 02:03:02,800 --> 02:03:04,400 Henderson Park. Yeah, it would be nice 2964 02:03:04,400 --> 02:03:07,599 to have right resourcing. So with the 2965 02:03:07,599 --> 02:03:12,310 province help, maybe we can do that. 2966 02:03:12,320 --> 02:03:14,880 » Yeah, good answer. So sorry, I I I was 2967 02:03:14,880 --> 02:03:17,599 misspoken. There was the app that just 2968 02:03:17,599 --> 02:03:19,520 recently was made available to everyone. 2969 02:03:19,520 --> 02:03:20,719 What date was that? 2970 02:03:20,719 --> 02:03:24,629 >> Uh uh little 2971 02:03:24,639 --> 02:03:26,800 » Yeah, early July. 2972 02:03:26,800 --> 02:03:29,350 >> Right. So about a month. 2973 02:03:29,350 --> 02:03:29,360 » Right. So about a month. 2974 02:03:29,360 --> 02:03:31,669 >> So that's how I look at a pilot. we'd 2975 02:03:31,669 --> 02:03:31,679 » So that's how I look at a pilot. we'd 2976 02:03:31,679 --> 02:03:32,719 really only have the public available 2977 02:03:32,719 --> 02:03:34,400 for a month to really use this. We've 2978 02:03:34,400 --> 02:03:36,159 had a select bunch of people slowly 2979 02:03:36,159 --> 02:03:39,679 getting dripped onto it. Um me 2980 02:03:39,679 --> 02:03:41,360 personally, is there an opportunity for 2981 02:03:41,360 --> 02:03:43,360 us to extend the pilot till maybe July 2982 02:03:43,360 --> 02:03:46,560 of next year, therefore giving you a 2983 02:03:46,560 --> 02:03:49,199 whole year's worth of users data in 2984 02:03:49,199 --> 02:03:50,480 order to understand and to shape and 2985 02:03:50,480 --> 02:03:52,159 look at it. Why are we rushing right 2986 02:03:52,159 --> 02:03:54,800 away for an April 1 arbitrary deadline? 2987 02:03:54,800 --> 02:03:57,040 I think we can extend the uh the pilot 2988 02:03:57,040 --> 02:03:58,320 or at least go through the full winter 2989 02:03:58,320 --> 02:04:00,159 and utilize that. I'm not comfortable 2990 02:04:00,159 --> 02:04:03,520 any transit system that's a pilot from a 2991 02:04:03,520 --> 02:04:05,199 brand new concept that doesn't really 2992 02:04:05,199 --> 02:04:07,840 exist in in Ontario that I'm aware of. I 2993 02:04:07,840 --> 02:04:08,960 think there there's one or two people 2994 02:04:08,960 --> 02:04:10,719 are trying it out as well. But the point 2995 02:04:10,719 --> 02:04:13,360 is is that we we got to be careful 2996 02:04:13,360 --> 02:04:15,280 before we go all in on anything. And I'd 2997 02:04:15,280 --> 02:04:16,639 like to see more data personally. I'd 2998 02:04:16,639 --> 02:04:18,080 like to see more user experience 2999 02:04:18,080 --> 02:04:21,199 information and and frankly, you know, 3000 02:04:21,199 --> 02:04:22,639 get the bugs and figured out not just 3001 02:04:22,639 --> 02:04:23,840 from this company, but from in general 3002 02:04:23,840 --> 02:04:24,719 because there might be other things 3003 02:04:24,719 --> 02:04:25,920 throughout the winter that we might 3004 02:04:25,920 --> 02:04:27,360 understand because these these buses, 3005 02:04:27,360 --> 02:04:28,320 although they're electric, they're also 3006 02:04:28,320 --> 02:04:29,920 equipped with a diesel engine. Correct. 3007 02:04:29,920 --> 02:04:31,280 That also helps maybe the heating 3008 02:04:31,280 --> 02:04:32,239 systems or something like that in the 3009 02:04:32,239 --> 02:04:34,239 winter time or I'm not sure how that 3010 02:04:34,239 --> 02:04:35,360 works, but I want to see how that 3011 02:04:35,360 --> 02:04:36,639 performs as well. I want to understand 3012 02:04:36,639 --> 02:04:38,800 what it's like in, you know, with with 3013 02:04:38,800 --> 02:04:40,960 the icy or snowy weather. How much 3014 02:04:40,960 --> 02:04:42,400 longer does it take for on demand 3015 02:04:42,400 --> 02:04:43,679 service to work? I think this is 3016 02:04:43,679 --> 02:04:44,960 important data. I don't want to rush 3017 02:04:44,960 --> 02:04:47,830 this. 3018 02:04:47,840 --> 02:04:49,840 Okay, thank you. You are you responding 3019 02:04:49,840 --> 02:04:50,719 to anything or 3020 02:04:50,719 --> 02:04:52,790 >> I can respond to the last part if if you 3021 02:04:52,790 --> 02:04:52,800 » I can respond to the last part if if you 3022 02:04:52,800 --> 02:04:56,159 wishes. Um again through you mayor Luk. 3023 02:04:56,159 --> 02:04:58,480 Uh we do have some Arargo folks here who 3024 02:04:58,480 --> 02:04:59,760 can speak to you in terms of the 3025 02:04:59,760 --> 02:05:02,080 performance of the buses during winter. 3026 02:05:02,080 --> 02:05:05,119 Um we did start on April 3rd that first 3027 02:05:05,119 --> 02:05:07,440 half of April it was operating and 3028 02:05:07,440 --> 02:05:11,760 weather down to minus 7 minus five those 3029 02:05:11,760 --> 02:05:14,719 right. Um so it was operating in terms 3030 02:05:14,719 --> 02:05:17,280 of these buses have been used in Halifax 3031 02:05:17,280 --> 02:05:19,119 have been used in Oakville for at least 3032 02:05:19,119 --> 02:05:20,719 for the last winter probably two 3033 02:05:20,719 --> 02:05:23,199 winters. Um if you're looking for data 3034 02:05:23,199 --> 02:05:26,000 on in how it's performed there we can 3035 02:05:26,000 --> 02:05:28,719 get that to you right I can you wish it 3036 02:05:28,719 --> 02:05:31,119 now Argo is here or we can give you that 3037 02:05:31,119 --> 02:05:32,960 data later. 3038 02:05:32,960 --> 02:05:35,199 Okay thank you I've got councelor Scott 3039 02:05:35,199 --> 02:05:39,030 next and councelor Harper. 3040 02:05:39,040 --> 02:05:41,760 Um, thank you uh to the deputy CEO, all 3041 02:05:41,760 --> 02:05:44,719 the staff and the team from Argo. This 3042 02:05:44,719 --> 02:05:46,719 has been an innovative project and the 3043 02:05:46,719 --> 02:05:48,800 roll out started off frankly better than 3044 02:05:48,800 --> 02:05:50,800 I expected with the initial transit 3045 02:05:50,800 --> 02:05:52,880 riders then phasing into the app opening 3046 02:05:52,880 --> 02:05:55,360 this summer. Ridership more than 3047 02:05:55,360 --> 02:05:57,119 doubling over the first few months is 3048 02:05:57,119 --> 02:05:59,520 huge. We've expanded coverage as council 3049 02:05:59,520 --> 02:06:02,400 said additional hours. We're 3050 02:06:02,400 --> 02:06:04,880 reaching more residents more often and 3051 02:06:04,880 --> 02:06:06,400 we were one of the first anywhere to 3052 02:06:06,400 --> 02:06:08,560 launch a fully electric app-based on 3053 02:06:08,560 --> 02:06:10,239 demand transit system and I think that's 3054 02:06:10,239 --> 02:06:12,400 something we should be proud of. The 3055 02:06:12,400 --> 02:06:15,760 success has brought inevitable pressure. 3056 02:06:15,760 --> 02:06:18,880 demand is outpacing supply, especially 3057 02:06:18,880 --> 02:06:21,440 during peak hours as was referenced. And 3058 02:06:21,440 --> 02:06:23,199 it's the wait time variability that I 3059 02:06:23,199 --> 02:06:25,040 think's become a real concern. And we've 3060 02:06:25,040 --> 02:06:28,800 started to hear it may have been 57 3061 02:06:28,800 --> 02:06:30,719 complaints, but I think we heard every 3062 02:06:30,719 --> 02:06:35,360 all 57 of them. So, I'm I'm glad to see 3063 02:06:35,360 --> 02:06:36,719 staff looking into the pre-booking 3064 02:06:36,719 --> 02:06:38,400 options for people with set uh 3065 02:06:38,400 --> 02:06:40,159 schedules. I I think that'll help 3066 02:06:40,159 --> 02:06:42,960 commuters. Getting ahead of the back to 3067 02:06:42,960 --> 02:06:44,159 school season where I think we're going 3068 02:06:44,159 --> 02:06:46,800 to see demand spike during peak hours is 3069 02:06:46,800 --> 02:06:48,400 also going to be huge. So, I support 3070 02:06:48,400 --> 02:06:50,320 that direction. I think that's another 3071 02:06:50,320 --> 02:06:53,040 innovative innovative tweak to try and 3072 02:06:53,040 --> 02:06:56,079 improve the app. And Uber to an extent 3073 02:06:56,079 --> 02:06:59,440 has that feature. Um, I like where we're 3074 02:06:59,440 --> 02:07:01,199 going there. It's going to go a long way 3075 02:07:01,199 --> 02:07:03,199 to improving reliability and confidence 3076 02:07:03,199 --> 02:07:05,520 in the system if you know that you can 3077 02:07:05,520 --> 02:07:08,800 book to get to work or get to school. Uh 3078 02:07:08,800 --> 02:07:10,639 I do think we still have opportunities 3079 02:07:10,639 --> 02:07:12,880 to really integrate with the county's 3080 02:07:12,880 --> 02:07:14,719 links bus system. That's what serves 3081 02:07:14,719 --> 02:07:17,679 bond head to some extent right now and 3082 02:07:17,679 --> 02:07:20,639 other parts of the highway 400 uh jobs 3083 02:07:20,639 --> 02:07:23,119 corridor and trying to find a way to 3084 02:07:23,119 --> 02:07:25,360 almost do a handoff between someone 3085 02:07:25,360 --> 02:07:28,159 coming from Bondad into Bradford. I'd 3086 02:07:28,159 --> 02:07:29,360 like to see that and the same with the 3087 02:07:29,360 --> 02:07:31,440 go bus because that serves our our rural 3088 02:07:31,440 --> 02:07:33,440 Young Street corridor and and 3089 02:07:33,440 --> 02:07:36,480 integrating between the intra regional, 3090 02:07:36,480 --> 02:07:39,040 the regional and the local transit is is 3091 02:07:39,040 --> 02:07:42,480 something that I don't really think many 3092 02:07:42,480 --> 02:07:45,679 municipalities do well. The TTC maybe in 3093 02:07:45,679 --> 02:07:48,719 the Tobico but less so in Scar Bro. Uh 3094 02:07:48,719 --> 02:07:51,199 so trying to fix that would be huge. Um 3095 02:07:51,199 --> 02:07:52,719 just a few questions. You you mentioned 3096 02:07:52,719 --> 02:07:55,440 advertising. We had an ad program on the 3097 02:07:55,440 --> 02:07:58,719 fixed route bus. So, what happened to 3098 02:07:58,719 --> 02:08:01,360 that? How quickly can we bring it back? 3099 02:08:01,360 --> 02:08:03,599 It is a fullear pilot. Uh, I too want to 3100 02:08:03,599 --> 02:08:06,400 see how it works in wintertime. Uh, and 3101 02:08:06,400 --> 02:08:08,560 a 5-year contract launching for the RFP. 3102 02:08:08,560 --> 02:08:12,079 Why five years? Uh, why not 10 or some 3103 02:08:12,079 --> 02:08:15,440 other number? And then we're essentially 3104 02:08:15,440 --> 02:08:16,800 talking about a public private 3105 02:08:16,800 --> 02:08:19,760 partnership here. and and I know our our 3106 02:08:19,760 --> 02:08:22,079 previous bus system we contracted with a 3107 02:08:22,079 --> 02:08:24,639 a bus company, but are we sure that 3108 02:08:24,639 --> 02:08:27,520 federal or provincial grants apply here 3109 02:08:27,520 --> 02:08:31,599 uh when we're basically contracting the 3110 02:08:31,599 --> 02:08:34,320 service? So, those are my questions. I 3111 02:08:34,320 --> 02:08:36,000 mean, I I I see the two or three 3112 02:08:36,000 --> 02:08:38,400 opportunities the deputy CEO's outlined 3113 02:08:38,400 --> 02:08:42,239 as as good attempts uh that will help 3114 02:08:42,239 --> 02:08:43,520 write the next chapter in the 3115 02:08:43,520 --> 02:08:45,280 transformation. We're iterating the app 3116 02:08:45,280 --> 02:08:48,159 as we go and I I like to see that. Uh 3117 02:08:48,159 --> 02:08:49,840 but we need to scale it up, improve 3118 02:08:49,840 --> 02:08:51,119 predictability and connect more 3119 02:08:51,119 --> 02:08:53,599 seamlessly to the regional network. I'd 3120 02:08:53,599 --> 02:08:55,280 say those are the three opportunities to 3121 02:08:55,280 --> 02:08:57,520 really improve. And then those two or 3122 02:08:57,520 --> 02:09:03,589 three questions I asked as well, please 3123 02:09:03,599 --> 02:09:07,520 you may lupa councelor uh Scott 3124 02:09:07,520 --> 02:09:10,239 start with um your second question. 3125 02:09:10,239 --> 02:09:13,280 Would the province and federal funding 3126 02:09:13,280 --> 02:09:16,880 apply? The province has said yes. Right. 3127 02:09:16,880 --> 02:09:19,440 Last Wednesday we met and this was one 3128 02:09:19,440 --> 02:09:24,159 of the questions. Um why fiveyear? 3129 02:09:24,159 --> 02:09:27,280 The I'm not going to say the firm 3130 02:09:27,280 --> 02:09:29,920 conversation was around fiveyear. 3131 02:09:29,920 --> 02:09:32,560 The decision on fiveyear 3132 02:09:32,560 --> 02:09:36,719 seemed long enough that allows the 3133 02:09:36,719 --> 02:09:39,040 whoever that proponent is to be able to 3134 02:09:39,040 --> 02:09:41,360 reasonably recover their investment and 3135 02:09:41,360 --> 02:09:43,440 not really tie the municipality. Can we 3136 02:09:43,440 --> 02:09:45,840 look at five plus an option? Yes, that's 3137 02:09:45,840 --> 02:09:47,440 that would be a good good way to look at 3138 02:09:47,440 --> 02:09:49,280 it. Um and we'll take that back from 3139 02:09:49,280 --> 02:09:53,440 you. Um connect to other higher levels 3140 02:09:53,440 --> 02:09:56,000 of levels of transit. Two things are 3141 02:09:56,000 --> 02:09:57,440 happening in that front. One is we 3142 02:09:57,440 --> 02:09:59,679 showed on the app the ability to to see 3143 02:09:59,679 --> 02:10:03,599 what's coming. Um to be able to pre-plan 3144 02:10:03,599 --> 02:10:06,480 something from here, let's say to Alison 3145 02:10:06,480 --> 02:10:07,840 connecting to the links and going 3146 02:10:07,840 --> 02:10:10,480 forward where you seamlessly walk. I 3147 02:10:10,480 --> 02:10:12,480 think the most we'll be able to do is 3148 02:10:12,480 --> 02:10:14,159 show when the bus is coming. So you able 3149 02:10:14,159 --> 02:10:16,880 to connect, you're there in time for it. 3150 02:10:16,880 --> 02:10:18,880 Um but it wouldn't be like an aircraft 3151 02:10:18,880 --> 02:10:21,040 where your stuff wouldn't be like that. 3152 02:10:21,040 --> 02:10:22,960 But you'll need to be able to do that. 3153 02:10:22,960 --> 02:10:24,719 The second thing that staff and I are 3154 02:10:24,719 --> 02:10:28,320 looking at is in terms of links. What 3155 02:10:28,320 --> 02:10:30,960 are the how more can we leverage links 3156 02:10:30,960 --> 02:10:32,719 within the community? It is something 3157 02:10:32,719 --> 02:10:35,199 that we pay for already. So we want to 3158 02:10:35,199 --> 02:10:36,639 be able to leverage that that resource 3159 02:10:36,639 --> 02:10:38,960 that's available to us. Not to replace 3160 02:10:38,960 --> 02:10:40,960 but to augment what is it we have right 3161 02:10:40,960 --> 02:10:42,639 now. And specifically we're looking at 3162 02:10:42,639 --> 02:10:44,480 things like increasing frequency. We 3163 02:10:44,480 --> 02:10:46,719 they they've already made that decision. 3164 02:10:46,719 --> 02:10:49,040 And we're looking at their accessible 3165 02:10:49,040 --> 02:10:50,800 service as well. So those are ways that 3166 02:10:50,800 --> 02:10:53,440 we can connect and leverage. 3167 02:10:53,440 --> 02:10:56,310 >> Thank you. Just quick follow-ups. Uh I 3168 02:10:56,310 --> 02:10:56,320 » Thank you. Just quick follow-ups. Uh I 3169 02:10:56,320 --> 02:10:58,400 do think links and go are key. Lynx runs 3170 02:10:58,400 --> 02:11:00,800 right down the center spine of town. It 3171 02:11:00,800 --> 02:11:03,679 could I think relieve some pressure at 3172 02:11:03,679 --> 02:11:06,719 some times. Go train runs, you know, 3173 02:11:06,719 --> 02:11:08,639 Young Street, Berry Street along Holland 3174 02:11:08,639 --> 02:11:09,760 Street as well. It it actually 3175 02:11:09,760 --> 02:11:11,040 duplicates more than it should with 3176 02:11:11,040 --> 02:11:13,920 links. Perhaps we could hire that out. 3177 02:11:13,920 --> 02:11:16,719 We're going to run an open fair RFP 3178 02:11:16,719 --> 02:11:18,480 process. The manager of procurement's 3179 02:11:18,480 --> 02:11:20,159 nodding at me. We're going to follow 3180 02:11:20,159 --> 02:11:22,639 every procurement rules. That being 3181 02:11:22,639 --> 02:11:24,079 said, I just want to say to the Argo 3182 02:11:24,079 --> 02:11:26,000 folks, we've been your guinea pig for 3183 02:11:26,000 --> 02:11:28,560 the past number of months. You're a tech 3184 02:11:28,560 --> 02:11:30,079 company. I like to think of us as 3185 02:11:30,079 --> 02:11:33,040 something as a founder. It would not be 3186 02:11:33,040 --> 02:11:35,520 good if you didn't win our business back 3187 02:11:35,520 --> 02:11:37,920 for your own expansion. So, I just keep 3188 02:11:37,920 --> 02:11:39,599 hope you keep that in mind when you're 3189 02:11:39,599 --> 02:11:41,520 tailoring your response to the RFP that 3190 02:11:41,520 --> 02:11:43,599 a a founders's deal would go over very 3191 02:11:43,599 --> 02:11:46,870 nicely. 3192 02:11:46,880 --> 02:11:50,079 And just a comment on on the uh 3193 02:11:50,079 --> 02:11:51,920 integrating better with links. Uh the 3194 02:11:51,920 --> 02:11:53,440 county is going through a transit plan 3195 02:11:53,440 --> 02:11:54,880 right now and we're there's a survey out 3196 02:11:54,880 --> 02:11:56,719 there. So we should all we should all 3197 02:11:56,719 --> 02:11:58,560 buy into that survey. Okay. So right now 3198 02:11:58,560 --> 02:12:00,800 I have uh councelor Harour next and then 3199 02:12:00,800 --> 02:12:02,560 councelor dyiky and then I'm going to go 3200 02:12:02,560 --> 02:12:09,430 dep council 3201 02:12:09,440 --> 02:12:11,119 and then councelor shared tahaney. 3202 02:12:11,119 --> 02:12:14,470 Sorry. 3203 02:12:14,480 --> 02:12:16,800 Thank you, mayor. 3204 02:12:16,800 --> 02:12:18,719 Deputy CEO, thank you very much for 3205 02:12:18,719 --> 02:12:22,960 presentation. Um, I'm speaking today not 3206 02:12:22,960 --> 02:12:26,639 really to dispute progress. Um, but I'd 3207 02:12:26,639 --> 02:12:29,119 like to question preparedness 3208 02:12:29,119 --> 02:12:31,599 on four points. Let's talk about some 3209 02:12:31,599 --> 02:12:32,960 highlights that a lot of people have 3210 02:12:32,960 --> 02:12:35,360 talked about here. The on demand transit 3211 02:12:35,360 --> 02:12:37,840 pilot has made some clear strides. It's 3212 02:12:37,840 --> 02:12:41,440 great. Coverage has expanded. clearly 3213 02:12:41,440 --> 02:12:43,599 illustrated that ridership has more than 3214 02:12:43,599 --> 02:12:47,440 doubled. Public feedback is cautiously 3215 02:12:47,440 --> 02:12:50,159 optimistic. I'll be positive on that. 3216 02:12:50,159 --> 02:12:53,520 We've gone from 174 daily trips to over 3217 02:12:53,520 --> 02:12:55,040 400. 3218 02:12:55,040 --> 02:12:56,880 That's commendable. 3219 02:12:56,880 --> 02:13:00,320 But on a dollar a ride, 3220 02:13:00,320 --> 02:13:03,040 we rode we put the the transit system to 3221 02:13:03,040 --> 02:13:06,159 a dollar because we had low ridership 3222 02:13:06,159 --> 02:13:09,920 before, but we have the wrership now. we 3223 02:13:09,920 --> 02:13:12,320 increase that. What does that look like? 3224 02:13:12,320 --> 02:13:14,639 A pilot is used for certain aspects like 3225 02:13:14,639 --> 02:13:18,400 that and to control and to also make 3226 02:13:18,400 --> 02:13:22,639 offset costs back to the public. 3227 02:13:22,639 --> 02:13:26,000 Progress without accountability is risk. 3228 02:13:26,000 --> 02:13:27,840 And before I'm prepared to endorse a 3229 02:13:27,840 --> 02:13:30,719 long-term service provider, you have not 3230 02:13:30,719 --> 02:13:33,840 provided proof. You provided hearsay 3231 02:13:33,840 --> 02:13:37,520 when you mentioned Argo has winterized 3232 02:13:37,520 --> 02:13:40,159 readiness but failed to provide that to 3233 02:13:40,159 --> 02:13:43,040 us here today. If you had that, why 3234 02:13:43,040 --> 02:13:45,280 didn't you provide it to us? I don't 3235 02:13:45,280 --> 02:13:47,440 like that. We live in Bradford, West 3236 02:13:47,440 --> 02:13:50,079 Wilbury, not Southern California, not 3237 02:13:50,079 --> 02:13:52,560 Vancouver. This David Suzuki plugged 3238 02:13:52,560 --> 02:13:54,400 with 2.8 million people. This is 3239 02:13:54,400 --> 02:13:57,760 Bradford, West Wilbury. We've approved a 3240 02:13:57,760 --> 02:14:00,320 system that's entirely vehicle-based, 3241 02:14:00,320 --> 02:14:03,199 door-todoor, weather sensitive. Yet, 3242 02:14:03,199 --> 02:14:05,440 across all three reports that you 3243 02:14:05,440 --> 02:14:07,599 presented and the presentation, you have 3244 02:14:07,599 --> 02:14:10,239 zero evidence of operational reliability 3245 02:14:10,239 --> 02:14:12,639 in winter conditions. 3246 02:14:12,639 --> 02:14:14,320 Why? 3247 02:14:14,320 --> 02:14:17,360 Why leave that out? Why rush for the 3248 02:14:17,360 --> 02:14:20,480 November? I understand the concepts you 3249 02:14:20,480 --> 02:14:23,679 pushed and why for April, 3250 02:14:23,679 --> 02:14:26,639 but what happens during snow squalls 3251 02:14:26,639 --> 02:14:29,920 here in Bradford that shuts down for 3252 02:14:29,920 --> 02:14:33,679 days. We had a really bad one. It was 3253 02:14:33,679 --> 02:14:35,920 like three days people couldn't move. I 3254 02:14:35,920 --> 02:14:39,360 had I had whole subdivisions 3255 02:14:39,360 --> 02:14:40,719 complaining because we couldn't even get 3256 02:14:40,719 --> 02:14:42,400 plows down there. What is that going to 3257 02:14:42,400 --> 02:14:44,320 do for transit? 3258 02:14:44,320 --> 02:14:46,480 Are the vehicles winterized and 3259 02:14:46,480 --> 02:14:48,159 equipped? said they are, but again, 3260 02:14:48,159 --> 02:14:50,320 there's no proof. 3261 02:14:50,320 --> 02:14:52,880 Will there be service delays, worse 3262 02:14:52,880 --> 02:14:54,480 shutdowns? We're already seeing some 3263 02:14:54,480 --> 02:14:56,480 delays here. And you're talking about 3264 02:14:56,480 --> 02:14:58,079 new features to roll out, which is 3265 02:14:58,079 --> 02:15:01,040 great. I use tech companies all the 3266 02:15:01,040 --> 02:15:03,440 time, and they say, "Yeah, Q4, we're 3267 02:15:03,440 --> 02:15:05,280 going to roll out new features, but 3268 02:15:05,280 --> 02:15:07,440 they're untested still, and they will 3269 02:15:07,440 --> 02:15:10,639 provide more necessary needs that like 3270 02:15:10,639 --> 02:15:13,440 we'll have other fixes for their fixes. 3271 02:15:13,440 --> 02:15:15,199 It's like updates, but we don't have 3272 02:15:15,199 --> 02:15:17,119 those data. We don't have that data of 3273 02:15:17,119 --> 02:15:19,040 what it looks like. It's great that 3274 02:15:19,040 --> 02:15:20,480 you're creating those fixes right now 3275 02:15:20,480 --> 02:15:23,199 for those technological delays and and 3276 02:15:23,199 --> 02:15:24,639 those new features that you want to roll 3277 02:15:24,639 --> 02:15:26,400 out, but during that pilot, we need 3278 02:15:26,400 --> 02:15:28,560 these this data to give us a more 3279 02:15:28,560 --> 02:15:32,159 informed like decision. Do I think that 3280 02:15:32,159 --> 02:15:34,079 we are going to be moving towards this 3281 02:15:34,079 --> 02:15:36,719 in the long term? Yes. But I think we 3282 02:15:36,719 --> 02:15:39,920 need to do it more um cautiously and 3283 02:15:39,920 --> 02:15:42,639 right from the beginning. That's a red 3284 02:15:42,639 --> 02:15:45,040 flag. You want to have a five-year deal 3285 02:15:45,040 --> 02:15:46,800 and then you're talking about provincial 3286 02:15:46,800 --> 02:15:50,560 funding. If we don't get it, you just 3287 02:15:50,560 --> 02:15:53,840 said it's on the taxpayers. 3288 02:15:53,840 --> 02:15:56,239 Well, I gave it a solution in regards to 3289 02:15:56,239 --> 02:15:59,520 cost per ride that could help offset 3290 02:15:59,520 --> 02:16:02,880 that. Um, but we're banking on this 3291 02:16:02,880 --> 02:16:04,320 provincial thing and then we have to go 3292 02:16:04,320 --> 02:16:06,560 to plan B. Again, that we don't know 3293 02:16:06,560 --> 02:16:08,400 what plan B is. We just know that 3294 02:16:08,400 --> 02:16:10,719 there's plan B. So, when I say 3295 02:16:10,719 --> 02:16:13,360 preparedness, I need that information. 3296 02:16:13,360 --> 02:16:16,880 you know, um do we raise taxes to fund 3297 02:16:16,880 --> 02:16:19,520 it? Uh do we scale back service? There's 3298 02:16:19,520 --> 02:16:22,320 a lot of options there. Third point was 3299 02:16:22,320 --> 02:16:25,280 peak hour wait times and accountability. 3300 02:16:25,280 --> 02:16:27,360 We've talked a lot about that. My my uh 3301 02:16:27,360 --> 02:16:28,639 colleagues have talked about it right 3302 02:16:28,639 --> 02:16:31,280 now. Again, you've got new features 3303 02:16:31,280 --> 02:16:33,120 coming out to try to, you know, 3304 02:16:33,120 --> 02:16:35,679 circumvent that. But we don't even have 3305 02:16:35,679 --> 02:16:37,679 full ridership that's only just been 3306 02:16:37,679 --> 02:16:39,439 opened up for less than a month. And 3307 02:16:39,439 --> 02:16:42,559 then we want to go to full RFP. 3308 02:16:42,559 --> 02:16:44,559 So, I'm not saying I don't support the 3309 02:16:44,559 --> 02:16:46,800 modern responsive transit. I think we 3310 02:16:46,800 --> 02:16:49,519 do. I think, you know, when this 3311 02:16:49,519 --> 02:16:51,359 initially came, I wasn't against the 3312 02:16:51,359 --> 02:16:53,519 system. I was against the business plan. 3313 02:16:53,519 --> 02:16:55,760 And I think that's still where we're at 3314 02:16:55,760 --> 02:16:57,040 because it's going to come down to that 3315 02:16:57,040 --> 02:17:00,319 RFP. That'll be a business plan. We have 3316 02:17:00,319 --> 02:17:02,800 been guinea pigs for the founder. But 3317 02:17:02,800 --> 02:17:05,200 let's do this right. We need to demand 3318 02:17:05,200 --> 02:17:07,439 new features that are untested and have 3319 02:17:07,439 --> 02:17:09,439 the measures, the data to provide us 3320 02:17:09,439 --> 02:17:11,439 that they're working. They're They're 3321 02:17:11,439 --> 02:17:13,599 solving those solutions 3322 02:17:13,599 --> 02:17:16,240 so far. They've been able to curb a lot 3323 02:17:16,240 --> 02:17:20,000 of um barriers that have been thrown at 3324 02:17:20,000 --> 02:17:22,880 them with with maneuvering their tech 3325 02:17:22,880 --> 02:17:25,439 and updating their code, which is great. 3326 02:17:25,439 --> 02:17:28,800 That transparency is something that I 3327 02:17:28,800 --> 02:17:30,240 know about just but the updates that 3328 02:17:30,240 --> 02:17:31,920 we've been get communicated back and 3329 02:17:31,920 --> 02:17:34,479 forth and talking with yourself. That's 3330 02:17:34,479 --> 02:17:36,479 great transparency to know that the tech 3331 02:17:36,479 --> 02:17:39,200 company can implement those at a pretty 3332 02:17:39,200 --> 02:17:41,840 rapid rate and that's great. But all 3333 02:17:41,840 --> 02:17:43,920 these other new features need to be the 3334 02:17:43,920 --> 02:17:46,319 be tested as well. And they might need 3335 02:17:46,319 --> 02:17:47,679 they might even create other new 3336 02:17:47,679 --> 02:17:49,519 features that we don't even see coming 3337 02:17:49,519 --> 02:17:51,760 yet. And I think that's probably going 3338 02:17:51,760 --> 02:17:54,319 to be the lifespan of of uh this type of 3339 02:17:54,319 --> 02:17:56,160 app service or this type of transit 3340 02:17:56,160 --> 02:17:59,120 service that we'll create those because 3341 02:17:59,120 --> 02:18:01,280 things change all the time. even whether 3342 02:18:01,280 --> 02:18:03,439 if we update the the coverage area, the 3343 02:18:03,439 --> 02:18:06,960 zoning, or the scheduling, or even more 3344 02:18:06,960 --> 02:18:08,880 buses. 3345 02:18:08,880 --> 02:18:10,960 So, what I'd like to see is that we have 3346 02:18:10,960 --> 02:18:14,960 that tech transparency data, proof of 3347 02:18:14,960 --> 02:18:17,599 winter readiness, financial contingency, 3348 02:18:17,599 --> 02:18:19,840 whether the PR providence rolls out on 3349 02:18:19,840 --> 02:18:23,760 it. If we wait and we we delay the RFP, 3350 02:18:23,760 --> 02:18:26,240 we'll have a word from the pro province. 3351 02:18:26,240 --> 02:18:28,800 We'll have our winter readiness in 3352 02:18:28,800 --> 02:18:31,120 regards to proof how it relies on our 3353 02:18:31,120 --> 02:18:32,399 and and we'll know about the 3354 02:18:32,399 --> 02:18:34,960 accountability of wait times and how 3355 02:18:34,960 --> 02:18:36,880 we've actually circumvented uh those 3356 02:18:36,880 --> 02:18:39,040 barriers and problems here in this town 3357 02:18:39,040 --> 02:18:40,639 and then we'll be able to actually give 3358 02:18:40,639 --> 02:18:43,200 a more profound choice of this on demand 3359 02:18:43,200 --> 02:18:45,040 service. I don't think it's not going to 3360 02:18:45,040 --> 02:18:46,559 go anywhere. I think it's something it's 3361 02:18:46,559 --> 02:18:48,240 going to be here to stay, but let's do 3362 02:18:48,240 --> 02:18:51,920 it right. Can't support it right now, 3363 02:18:51,920 --> 02:18:54,160 but I I'm very optimistic that we can 3364 02:18:54,160 --> 02:18:58,549 get there in the long term. 3365 02:18:58,559 --> 02:19:00,960 Okay, thank you. Uh, I'm on to councelor 3366 02:19:00,960 --> 02:19:03,760 Dyke. 3367 02:19:03,760 --> 02:19:06,070 >> Well, I must say it's, you know, I watch 3368 02:19:06,070 --> 02:19:06,080 » Well, I must say it's, you know, I watch 3369 02:19:06,080 --> 02:19:08,559 I watch the bus go many times past my 3370 02:19:08,559 --> 02:19:10,319 door every day and and I'm very 3371 02:19:10,319 --> 02:19:14,880 impressed that how we have increased the 3372 02:19:14,880 --> 02:19:17,040 ridership. A dollar a ride is very 3373 02:19:17,040 --> 02:19:20,479 affordable. I I really um I'm impressed 3374 02:19:20,479 --> 02:19:22,719 with the accessibility of people with uh 3375 02:19:22,719 --> 02:19:25,920 that have walkers and shoulders and 3376 02:19:25,920 --> 02:19:27,519 wheelchairs now they can afford to get 3377 02:19:27,519 --> 02:19:29,840 around this town which which means a lot 3378 02:19:29,840 --> 02:19:31,760 and I know there's a lot of bugs and 3379 02:19:31,760 --> 02:19:32,960 there has been a lot of bugs and there's 3380 02:19:32,960 --> 02:19:35,439 still still a few bugs out there and I 3381 02:19:35,439 --> 02:19:37,359 and I still have people on a daily basis 3382 02:19:37,359 --> 02:19:39,359 come in they're scared they're still 3383 02:19:39,359 --> 02:19:41,840 scared of the app they're scared of the 3384 02:19:41,840 --> 02:19:43,920 information going through the app there 3385 02:19:43,920 --> 02:19:46,080 many many things I don't even want to 3386 02:19:46,080 --> 02:19:49,600 discuss this you know, between uh I'll 3387 02:19:49,600 --> 02:19:51,439 send it forward to you. But I have I 3388 02:19:51,439 --> 02:19:53,920 have a few people seniors that they tell 3389 02:19:53,920 --> 02:19:55,439 me they don't have a phone and then they 3390 02:19:55,439 --> 02:19:57,359 find it very still awkward yet. So 3391 02:19:57,359 --> 02:19:59,520 that's only maybe 1% that don't have the 3392 02:19:59,520 --> 02:20:01,200 phones, but there's little things that 3393 02:20:01,200 --> 02:20:03,760 we need to continue to work out. I'd 3394 02:20:03,760 --> 02:20:06,080 like to see this pile pilot project go a 3395 02:20:06,080 --> 02:20:08,399 little longer and uh especially winter 3396 02:20:08,399 --> 02:20:11,040 time to see the snow, the coldness, how 3397 02:20:11,040 --> 02:20:12,319 these batteries are going to operate. 3398 02:20:12,319 --> 02:20:13,920 But you know, I know when it comes to 3399 02:20:13,920 --> 02:20:16,160 it, I have confidence in the in and the 3400 02:20:16,160 --> 02:20:19,760 partners that can make this software 3401 02:20:19,760 --> 02:20:22,160 work and uh they have the experience by 3402 02:20:22,160 --> 02:20:24,560 just by talking to them uh the day they 3403 02:20:24,560 --> 02:20:25,920 give us a ride. They come from a 3404 02:20:25,920 --> 02:20:27,840 background that they know how to do 3405 02:20:27,840 --> 02:20:30,319 these programs that that could help us 3406 02:20:30,319 --> 02:20:33,840 in municipality. Long term u the finance 3407 02:20:33,840 --> 02:20:35,120 business plan is going to be quite 3408 02:20:35,120 --> 02:20:37,760 challenging. Um I hope that we get 3409 02:20:37,760 --> 02:20:39,680 funding from the provincial government 3410 02:20:39,680 --> 02:20:42,720 uh and uh means of help find this 3411 02:20:42,720 --> 02:20:44,160 because at the end of the day I don't 3412 02:20:44,160 --> 02:20:46,880 know if with the plan I see I don't know 3413 02:20:46,880 --> 02:20:50,399 if we can afford the taxpayers to afford 3414 02:20:50,399 --> 02:20:52,960 the high demand of of this program it's 3415 02:20:52,960 --> 02:20:55,439 very successful for users but what's the 3416 02:20:55,439 --> 02:20:57,840 overall cost dollars for dollars so so 3417 02:20:57,840 --> 02:20:59,680 I'd like to see more of the business 3418 02:20:59,680 --> 02:21:01,359 plan and I hope that the problems come 3419 02:21:01,359 --> 02:21:03,600 through but uh but you know mahash 3420 02:21:03,600 --> 02:21:05,520 yourself your team everyone behind 3421 02:21:05,520 --> 02:21:07,600 trying to work very hard to deliver this 3422 02:21:07,600 --> 02:21:09,520 and I give I commend everybody for 3423 02:21:09,520 --> 02:21:11,840 bringing something new to Bradford but I 3424 02:21:11,840 --> 02:21:13,200 feel that we need to spend more time 3425 02:21:13,200 --> 02:21:15,760 with this before we jump into it but 3426 02:21:15,760 --> 02:21:18,880 it's rolling out I think we're maybe 70% 3427 02:21:18,880 --> 02:21:22,560 there but we got to keep on going so 3428 02:21:22,560 --> 02:21:25,190 >> okay thank you for that uh next up I 3429 02:21:25,190 --> 02:21:25,200 » okay thank you for that uh next up I 3430 02:21:25,200 --> 02:21:29,359 have uh councelor or deput 3431 02:21:29,359 --> 02:21:32,880 thank you worship Mr. Rando, thank you. 3432 02:21:32,880 --> 02:21:35,600 Perine, thank you to your team and our 3433 02:21:35,600 --> 02:21:37,680 staff. 3434 02:21:37,680 --> 02:21:39,359 You know, it's encouraging to see that 3435 02:21:39,359 --> 02:21:42,399 the wrership more than doubled in in 3436 02:21:42,399 --> 02:21:46,880 such short time. Um, as you said, 9,00 3437 02:21:46,880 --> 02:21:50,960 trips, less than 1% complaints, but 3438 02:21:50,960 --> 02:21:54,240 still 57 complaints is too many. 3439 02:21:54,240 --> 02:21:55,840 Um, 3440 02:21:55,840 --> 02:21:57,680 I'm one of those people that always look 3441 02:21:57,680 --> 02:21:59,600 at the glass half full rather than 3442 02:21:59,600 --> 02:22:00,880 empty. 3443 02:22:00,880 --> 02:22:05,040 I would be concerned if the complaints 3444 02:22:05,040 --> 02:22:07,920 weren't handled or there was no plan to 3445 02:22:07,920 --> 02:22:09,359 address those complaints. And it looks 3446 02:22:09,359 --> 02:22:12,319 like you're addressing them. So that's 3447 02:22:12,319 --> 02:22:13,840 good. 3448 02:22:13,840 --> 02:22:16,240 I also like the 3449 02:22:16,240 --> 02:22:18,960 plan that we're planning now so we're in 3450 02:22:18,960 --> 02:22:22,560 place come next year that we're ready to 3451 02:22:22,560 --> 02:22:26,800 go. Doesn't mean that the current um 3452 02:22:26,800 --> 02:22:28,240 partner will be there. It could be 3453 02:22:28,240 --> 02:22:30,560 someone else like you said. at least 3454 02:22:30,560 --> 02:22:33,439 we're ready. Um, but I also understand 3455 02:22:33,439 --> 02:22:35,280 the questions from my colleagues about 3456 02:22:35,280 --> 02:22:38,960 winter and and those answers uh need to 3457 02:22:38,960 --> 02:22:43,680 be um given to us and and the public. 3458 02:22:43,680 --> 02:22:48,319 There's lots of um people that that 3459 02:22:48,319 --> 02:22:52,080 really like this. Um I know a comment 3460 02:22:52,080 --> 02:22:53,920 was made about subsiding someone's 3461 02:22:53,920 --> 02:22:57,040 vehicle um business. as long as they're 3462 02:22:57,040 --> 02:22:59,680 taking the ride and and paying what we 3463 02:22:59,680 --> 02:23:01,520 have set up in the system, they're just 3464 02:23:01,520 --> 02:23:04,479 using the service that we provide. 3465 02:23:04,479 --> 02:23:07,120 Um, so I don't have a problem with that. 3466 02:23:07,120 --> 02:23:10,880 That's why we have this. Um, I met many 3467 02:23:10,880 --> 02:23:13,840 PSWs that were paying lots of monies to 3468 02:23:13,840 --> 02:23:17,359 go from their home to Loft or to 3469 02:23:17,359 --> 02:23:19,600 Bradford Valley or somewhere else that 3470 02:23:19,600 --> 02:23:21,200 are saving money and they're not making 3471 02:23:21,200 --> 02:23:24,560 too much money. Trust me, I have many 3472 02:23:24,560 --> 02:23:26,880 family members that are in that uh 3473 02:23:26,880 --> 02:23:28,479 field. 3474 02:23:28,479 --> 02:23:30,800 Um so this is a good thing. The 3475 02:23:30,800 --> 02:23:35,840 questions I have is um in your in your 3476 02:23:35,840 --> 02:23:39,040 report you mentioned six items that that 3477 02:23:39,040 --> 02:23:42,080 or six points that would be used for 3478 02:23:42,080 --> 02:23:44,720 RFP. 3479 02:23:44,720 --> 02:23:47,280 I think three addresses my question but 3480 02:23:47,280 --> 02:23:52,640 I want to hear it in detail. Um if 3481 02:23:52,640 --> 02:23:56,080 they can't make the time guarantees 3482 02:23:56,080 --> 02:24:00,640 um what is the penalty or what is the 3483 02:24:00,640 --> 02:24:03,280 um of our safeguard that we have in 3484 02:24:03,280 --> 02:24:05,040 place that we would be compensated for 3485 02:24:05,040 --> 02:24:08,399 that or or corrected if you can talk to 3486 02:24:08,399 --> 02:24:11,200 that. Also your projections chart show 3487 02:24:11,200 --> 02:24:14,880 us going from 3.3 passengers per capita 3488 02:24:14,880 --> 02:24:20,560 to six uh is it 6.4 or five uh by 2031. 3489 02:24:20,560 --> 02:24:23,040 That's that's uh wrership increases. 3490 02:24:23,040 --> 02:24:25,280 What does that equate into gas tax 3491 02:24:25,280 --> 02:24:27,439 funding that we would get an increase 3492 02:24:27,439 --> 02:24:29,840 annually? Because we used to only get 3493 02:24:29,840 --> 02:24:32,319 based on what we had, we doubled in 3494 02:24:32,319 --> 02:24:34,640 short time. That means the funding that 3495 02:24:34,640 --> 02:24:36,160 we're going to get apart from what 3496 02:24:36,160 --> 02:24:39,520 you're working on on the expansion, it's 3497 02:24:39,520 --> 02:24:41,200 going to go increased. Do we have that 3498 02:24:41,200 --> 02:24:48,710 idea or any number? Thank you. 3499 02:24:48,720 --> 02:24:51,840 I'll start with the community benefits 3500 02:24:51,840 --> 02:24:55,280 um the gas tax. My projection and this 3501 02:24:55,280 --> 02:24:57,200 is my projection based upon how I 3502 02:24:57,200 --> 02:24:59,120 believe 3503 02:24:59,120 --> 02:25:01,439 the calculation happens. I'm not privy 3504 02:25:01,439 --> 02:25:04,000 to the actual formula is that we should 3505 02:25:04,000 --> 02:25:09,200 see a 50% increase in that revenue. Um 3506 02:25:09,200 --> 02:25:11,840 that was done based upon what other 3507 02:25:11,840 --> 02:25:15,040 communities our size 3508 02:25:15,040 --> 02:25:17,520 who have wrership that's close to what 3509 02:25:17,520 --> 02:25:20,080 we're projecting or slightly above and 3510 02:25:20,080 --> 02:25:24,080 try to come up with a an a formula. 3511 02:25:24,080 --> 02:25:27,439 So about a 50% increase. Your second 3512 02:25:27,439 --> 02:25:31,120 question in terms of what happens if 3513 02:25:31,120 --> 02:25:33,359 the proponent does not meet those 3514 02:25:33,359 --> 02:25:35,439 guarantees. 3515 02:25:35,439 --> 02:25:38,240 I don't believe we can put a penalty per 3516 02:25:38,240 --> 02:25:43,600 se in the and Vanessa if I misspe please 3517 02:25:43,600 --> 02:25:49,280 um in the RFP what we could do is your 3518 02:25:49,280 --> 02:25:51,120 payments we could set up a system where 3519 02:25:51,120 --> 02:25:54,000 the payments to the the proponent 3520 02:25:54,000 --> 02:25:56,399 is actually lower. So if you can't meet 3521 02:25:56,399 --> 02:25:58,399 the service level that you committed to 3522 02:25:58,399 --> 02:26:00,479 you get paid at a different rate for a 3523 02:26:00,479 --> 02:26:02,640 lower service level we can put that into 3524 02:26:02,640 --> 02:26:04,720 the RFP and we can set that up. That is 3525 02:26:04,720 --> 02:26:06,319 something that we have not settled on 3526 02:26:06,319 --> 02:26:08,479 the formula for that but it's it's 3527 02:26:08,479 --> 02:26:10,000 definitely the way that we we believe 3528 02:26:10,000 --> 02:26:14,070 that we need to go to. 3529 02:26:14,080 --> 02:26:15,840 » So penalties in a commercial contract 3530 02:26:15,840 --> 02:26:18,000 are actually not enforceable at law. So 3531 02:26:18,000 --> 02:26:20,000 we can't call it a penalty. We do have 3532 02:26:20,000 --> 02:26:21,280 to come up with something that's 3533 02:26:21,280 --> 02:26:24,640 reasonable um that the town would pay 3534 02:26:24,640 --> 02:26:27,040 out if those service levels aren't met. 3535 02:26:27,040 --> 02:26:28,720 So we have to develop that in the back 3536 02:26:28,720 --> 02:26:36,150 end before we even go to market. 3537 02:26:36,160 --> 02:26:39,520 Okay. Okay. Great questions. Uh on to uh 3538 02:26:39,520 --> 02:26:42,960 councelor Farji next. 3539 02:26:42,960 --> 02:26:44,960 Thank you. Um I'm just going to go 3540 02:26:44,960 --> 02:26:46,560 through the comments that I made while I 3541 02:26:46,560 --> 02:26:48,399 was writing the report. I added a few 3542 02:26:48,399 --> 02:26:50,319 while you were having the presentation 3543 02:26:50,319 --> 02:26:53,359 um because I might regurgitate some of 3544 02:26:53,359 --> 02:26:54,800 the stuff that said, but I didn't do too 3545 02:26:54,800 --> 02:26:57,920 too much. Um, so basically this report 3546 02:26:57,920 --> 02:27:00,399 wants us to endorse the staff plan to 3547 02:27:00,399 --> 02:27:02,319 procure a long-term service provider for 3548 02:27:02,319 --> 02:27:05,920 its ondemand transit services, but from 3549 02:27:05,920 --> 02:27:07,439 what I've seen, it's been mentioned at 3550 02:27:07,439 --> 02:27:09,520 the table. Some say it's been amazing. I 3551 02:27:09,520 --> 02:27:11,200 I know it has been amazing for some 3552 02:27:11,200 --> 02:27:13,120 people, but there are still so many bugs 3553 02:27:13,120 --> 02:27:15,439 and questions at this point. Um, and the 3554 02:27:15,439 --> 02:27:17,439 pro the project's still evolving. Like 3555 02:27:17,439 --> 02:27:19,200 tonight alone, you said in two weeks 3556 02:27:19,200 --> 02:27:21,040 you're going to have a better route 3557 02:27:21,040 --> 02:27:23,040 showing up on the app and in September 3558 02:27:23,040 --> 02:27:25,040 you're going to have uh to the go 3559 02:27:25,040 --> 02:27:27,040 station there's going to be a roll out. 3560 02:27:27,040 --> 02:27:29,439 Um the the pre-booking stuff like I mean 3561 02:27:29,439 --> 02:27:30,880 this stuff should be all part of the 3562 02:27:30,880 --> 02:27:32,720 pilot. We should be rolling with this 3563 02:27:32,720 --> 02:27:35,040 already. Uh the issues that we're having 3564 02:27:35,040 --> 02:27:37,359 with people getting online to the app, 3565 02:27:37,359 --> 02:27:39,200 it's been the last month they're finally 3566 02:27:39,200 --> 02:27:41,520 able to get it everybody. So there's 3567 02:27:41,520 --> 02:27:44,880 been uh multiple complaints on social 3568 02:27:44,880 --> 02:27:47,200 media slagging on the system which I 3569 02:27:47,200 --> 02:27:48,960 don't think is fair because it wasn't at 3570 02:27:48,960 --> 02:27:50,720 a full capacity yet and it wasn't be 3571 02:27:50,720 --> 02:27:52,640 able to use by everybody. But at the 3572 02:27:52,640 --> 02:27:54,640 same time these are complaints that have 3573 02:27:54,640 --> 02:27:56,960 happened and the town hasn't had the 3574 02:27:56,960 --> 02:28:00,000 full service yet for people. So I don't 3575 02:28:00,000 --> 02:28:01,760 to Joe's point or sorry councelor 3576 02:28:01,760 --> 02:28:04,800 Gioano's point um I don't consider it a 3577 02:28:04,800 --> 02:28:07,439 full pilot at this point. Um in the 3578 02:28:07,439 --> 02:28:09,600 report it says that there are two ways 3579 02:28:09,600 --> 02:28:12,080 to reduce the weight times as well to 3580 02:28:12,080 --> 02:28:14,800 iterate uh the routting technology to 3581 02:28:14,800 --> 02:28:16,399 make it as efficient as possible and to 3582 02:28:16,399 --> 02:28:17,680 increase the number of available 3583 02:28:17,680 --> 02:28:19,760 vehicles. So why hasn't this already 3584 02:28:19,760 --> 02:28:21,840 been worked out into the pilot project? 3585 02:28:21,840 --> 02:28:23,040 Why hasn't this already been worked out 3586 02:28:23,040 --> 02:28:25,600 into a program that we can see how it 3587 02:28:25,600 --> 02:28:28,720 actually plays out? Staff submitted a 3588 02:28:28,720 --> 02:28:30,479 draft funding application to the 3589 02:28:30,479 --> 02:28:31,680 province. You've already mentioned that 3590 02:28:31,680 --> 02:28:34,080 a few times in your presentation and now 3591 02:28:34,080 --> 02:28:36,160 uh and had conversation conversations 3592 02:28:36,160 --> 02:28:37,680 with the Ministry of Transportation 3593 02:28:37,680 --> 02:28:40,560 staff on the funding possibilities. The 3594 02:28:40,560 --> 02:28:42,800 potential provincial funding envelope is 3595 02:28:42,800 --> 02:28:45,920 for 5 years. So we have the funding 3596 02:28:45,920 --> 02:28:48,240 potentially we can get the funding and 3597 02:28:48,240 --> 02:28:50,240 then it's ex then we are expected to 3598 02:28:50,240 --> 02:28:52,240 achieve financial self- sustaining 3599 02:28:52,240 --> 02:28:54,640 status after year five because that 3600 02:28:54,640 --> 02:28:57,680 funding is gone through in the report 3601 02:28:57,680 --> 02:29:00,240 you have it as self-sufficient to become 3602 02:29:00,240 --> 02:29:02,160 self-sufficient through increases in 3603 02:29:02,160 --> 02:29:05,840 ridership fair revenues gas tax revenues 3604 02:29:05,840 --> 02:29:08,640 assessment growth and small taxation 3605 02:29:08,640 --> 02:29:11,280 increases I don't know how small it's 3606 02:29:11,280 --> 02:29:13,120 going to be when you're shooting for 17 3607 02:29:13,120 --> 02:29:13,920 buses 3608 02:29:13,920 --> 02:29:16,000 Not sure on those numbers. I saw the the 3609 02:29:16,000 --> 02:29:17,280 main numbers that you threw up there, 3610 02:29:17,280 --> 02:29:19,200 but I just 3611 02:29:19,200 --> 02:29:20,880 it there's still a lot of questions to 3612 02:29:20,880 --> 02:29:24,160 that in my mind. Uh and then in tonight, 3613 02:29:24,160 --> 02:29:26,160 you even mentioned there would be 3614 02:29:26,160 --> 02:29:29,200 increases to fairs to those that can 3615 02:29:29,200 --> 02:29:31,120 afford it. So, I don't know if you want 3616 02:29:31,120 --> 02:29:34,000 to clarify on that after uh I finished 3617 02:29:34,000 --> 02:29:35,520 asking my questions because who can 3618 02:29:35,520 --> 02:29:37,600 afford it? Like where where do you draw 3619 02:29:37,600 --> 02:29:39,200 the line? Where do you separate people 3620 02:29:39,200 --> 02:29:40,960 to who can and cannot afford it? How 3621 02:29:40,960 --> 02:29:45,840 would that work? Um, and then the RFP 3622 02:29:45,840 --> 02:29:47,680 that you had written out, it'll have 3623 02:29:47,680 --> 02:29:51,040 pricing uh based on batches of 25,000 3624 02:29:51,040 --> 02:29:53,920 annual rides. So yet apparently we had 3625 02:29:53,920 --> 02:29:56,399 almost 10,000 in July, which has been 3626 02:29:56,399 --> 02:29:59,200 mentioned, and we're presuming to reach 3627 02:29:59,200 --> 02:30:02,880 420,000 rides in 2031. So why would 3628 02:30:02,880 --> 02:30:04,560 there be such a low expectation for the 3629 02:30:04,560 --> 02:30:07,040 RFP in pricing? That was a question that 3630 02:30:07,040 --> 02:30:09,200 came up while I was reading it. And it's 3631 02:30:09,200 --> 02:30:11,040 obviously that it will not be enough 3632 02:30:11,040 --> 02:30:13,760 amount. This will obviously not be 3633 02:30:13,760 --> 02:30:15,760 enough for the amount of rides the town 3634 02:30:15,760 --> 02:30:17,680 is expecting and will cause more issues 3635 02:30:17,680 --> 02:30:19,280 or have the provider request more 3636 02:30:19,280 --> 02:30:21,120 compensation, provide more transit. So 3637 02:30:21,120 --> 02:30:23,200 basically I was saying that here we are 3638 02:30:23,200 --> 02:30:26,000 going for a lower ride annual ride 3639 02:30:26,000 --> 02:30:27,920 pricing on the RFP which we're not 3640 02:30:27,920 --> 02:30:29,359 expecting that at all. We're expecting 3641 02:30:29,359 --> 02:30:31,280 much more. So it's going to be really 3642 02:30:31,280 --> 02:30:32,720 interesting to see what kind of numbers 3643 02:30:32,720 --> 02:30:35,840 would come up. uh in regards to you had 3644 02:30:35,840 --> 02:30:38,319 mentioned a few times about potentially 3645 02:30:38,319 --> 02:30:41,120 somebody else taking over uh as opposed 3646 02:30:41,120 --> 02:30:43,040 to Argo. 3647 02:30:43,040 --> 02:30:45,760 Who else does this right now? What other 3648 02:30:45,760 --> 02:30:47,439 options are there? How many other 3649 02:30:47,439 --> 02:30:49,280 companies do this? Because as far as I 3650 02:30:49,280 --> 02:30:51,040 know, this was one of the first Argo was 3651 02:30:51,040 --> 02:30:53,520 one of the first for communities for 3652 02:30:53,520 --> 02:30:55,120 municipalities. We were one of the 3653 02:30:55,120 --> 02:30:56,399 guinea pigs, one of the first guinea 3654 02:30:56,399 --> 02:30:59,840 pigs to try it out. So, this RFP, is 3655 02:30:59,840 --> 02:31:03,359 this being written for Argo or are there 3656 02:31:03,359 --> 02:31:05,520 other options out there? I'm curious 3657 02:31:05,520 --> 02:31:15,670 about that as well. 3658 02:31:15,680 --> 02:31:17,680 Uh through you, Mayor Lidduk to 3659 02:31:17,680 --> 02:31:21,750 councelor Farerini. 3660 02:31:21,760 --> 02:31:24,880 Start with your last question. 3661 02:31:24,880 --> 02:31:27,520 when we were putting this together 3662 02:31:27,520 --> 02:31:32,399 um there are there were other vendors 3663 02:31:32,399 --> 02:31:34,560 who claimed that they could replicate 3664 02:31:34,560 --> 02:31:36,399 the service they could replicate what 3665 02:31:36,399 --> 02:31:40,880 Argo is doing um 3666 02:31:40,880 --> 02:31:43,040 but they were unable to bring the 3667 02:31:43,040 --> 02:31:45,840 fullness of the picture to the table we 3668 02:31:45,840 --> 02:31:48,399 believe that they've evolved since then 3669 02:31:48,399 --> 02:31:50,560 um two definitely come to mind that I 3670 02:31:50,560 --> 02:31:53,520 prefer not to name here um they've 3671 02:31:53,520 --> 02:31:57,040 evolved since in and I believe that when 3672 02:31:57,040 --> 02:32:00,080 we go to market we are likely to I'm 3673 02:32:00,080 --> 02:32:01,359 confident that we're likely to get 3674 02:32:01,359 --> 02:32:05,429 multiple proponents. 3675 02:32:05,439 --> 02:32:07,040 What 3676 02:32:07,040 --> 02:32:09,280 I will be guarded and and Vanessa miss 3677 02:32:09,280 --> 02:32:11,040 morum will definitely ensure that I'm 3678 02:32:11,040 --> 02:32:14,960 guarded on this one is not to set an RFP 3679 02:32:14,960 --> 02:32:17,280 where there's really only one proponent 3680 02:32:17,280 --> 02:32:20,880 that can meet it. Um, so it has to be 3681 02:32:20,880 --> 02:32:24,160 performance-based aso as opposed to very 3682 02:32:24,160 --> 02:32:27,120 specific criteria such as electric buses 3683 02:32:27,120 --> 02:32:29,760 or you must have an app that does A, B, 3684 02:32:29,760 --> 02:32:32,399 C, and D. No, it has to be this is what 3685 02:32:32,399 --> 02:32:34,000 we want you to achieve. You have to 3686 02:32:34,000 --> 02:32:36,319 demonstrate how you'll achieve that to 3687 02:32:36,319 --> 02:32:38,160 us. Um, so it has to be a 3688 02:32:38,160 --> 02:32:40,000 performance-based RFP and that's where 3689 02:32:40,000 --> 02:32:44,389 we're going on this particular one. 3690 02:32:44,399 --> 02:32:47,760 Mentioned 25 batches of 25,000. 3691 02:32:47,760 --> 02:32:51,040 The RFP will not be for 25,000 rides but 3692 02:32:51,040 --> 02:32:54,000 will be for multiple batches of 25,000 3693 02:32:54,000 --> 02:32:57,200 depending or a combination thereof 3694 02:32:57,200 --> 02:33:01,040 depending on the ridership total that 3695 02:33:01,040 --> 02:33:03,840 we're targeting. So for example, if in 3696 02:33:03,840 --> 02:33:06,240 year one we're targeting 150,000 rides 3697 02:33:06,240 --> 02:33:08,720 per year, then we're paying you for 3698 02:33:08,720 --> 02:33:12,399 batches of six times 100 six times 3699 02:33:12,399 --> 02:33:15,600 25,000 rights. So that's what it'll be. 3700 02:33:15,600 --> 02:33:17,680 and that will iterate every year go up 3701 02:33:17,680 --> 02:33:20,720 accordingly and that's the idea again it 3702 02:33:20,720 --> 02:33:22,640 will be to the propon the proponent to 3703 02:33:22,640 --> 02:33:24,960 tell us how they will achieve that 3704 02:33:24,960 --> 02:33:27,280 within the service parameters that we 3705 02:33:27,280 --> 02:33:30,880 will set um so that's where we're going 3706 02:33:30,880 --> 02:33:32,800 on this 3707 02:33:32,800 --> 02:33:35,120 you spoke about the algorithm um and the 3708 02:33:35,120 --> 02:33:36,800 resources 3709 02:33:36,800 --> 02:33:40,240 one of the things that I will commend 3710 02:33:40,240 --> 02:33:44,000 Argo and being the current vendor 3711 02:33:44,000 --> 02:33:46,240 iteration on algor Algorithm iteration 3712 02:33:46,240 --> 02:33:49,920 on ideas to improve the system 3713 02:33:49,920 --> 02:33:53,840 is literally in real time. 3714 02:33:53,840 --> 02:33:59,280 P or trial uh an update today, it works, 3715 02:33:59,280 --> 02:34:01,520 great. It needs tweaking, it it's 3716 02:34:01,520 --> 02:34:04,080 tweaked tonight. 3717 02:34:04,080 --> 02:34:06,240 Trial something today, it doesn't work, 3718 02:34:06,240 --> 02:34:09,120 go back to square one tonight. It's that 3719 02:34:09,120 --> 02:34:13,040 quick with them. Um, and those have over 3720 02:34:13,040 --> 02:34:15,040 the the the four months, and keep in 3721 02:34:15,040 --> 02:34:16,560 mind that we're at four months. We're at 3722 02:34:16,560 --> 02:34:20,240 four months and two days into this, 3723 02:34:20,240 --> 02:34:22,080 that is how we've been able to drive the 3724 02:34:22,080 --> 02:34:24,560 efficiency to be able to open the app 3725 02:34:24,560 --> 02:34:26,640 with the resourcing that we've got. Um, 3726 02:34:26,640 --> 02:34:29,520 and achieve 427. Now, we've been doing 3727 02:34:29,520 --> 02:34:32,319 400 plus writes consistently 3728 02:34:32,319 --> 02:34:36,160 since the app went open. Um, and I've 3729 02:34:36,160 --> 02:34:39,280 been seeing the the weight times, the 3730 02:34:39,280 --> 02:34:41,280 P95 weight time, the maximum weight time 3731 02:34:41,280 --> 02:34:44,000 during the the peak demand periods 3732 02:34:44,000 --> 02:34:46,080 actually come down slightly. And that 3733 02:34:46,080 --> 02:34:48,160 shows that each individual tweak of the 3734 02:34:48,160 --> 02:34:50,800 algorithm is paying dividends. Does all 3735 02:34:50,800 --> 02:34:53,600 of it work? No. But it's trying the 3736 02:34:53,600 --> 02:34:55,520 ideas to see what will work to drive 3737 02:34:55,520 --> 02:34:56,800 efficiency and that and that's a 3738 02:34:56,800 --> 02:35:00,309 consistent process. 3739 02:35:00,319 --> 02:35:02,960 How do we get down the weight times to 3740 02:35:02,960 --> 02:35:06,240 something s the peak time wait hour wait 3741 02:35:06,240 --> 02:35:09,280 times um 3742 02:35:09,280 --> 02:35:12,479 to something quite low that's resourcing 3743 02:35:12,479 --> 02:35:14,160 and that is something that will require 3744 02:35:14,160 --> 02:35:16,160 additional buses 3745 02:35:16,160 --> 02:35:19,439 um as the demand grows as I said many 3746 02:35:19,439 --> 02:35:21,520 times in the presentation 3747 02:35:21,520 --> 02:35:23,280 we need help for that one and that's 3748 02:35:23,280 --> 02:35:25,840 where we're at with the province um I am 3749 02:35:25,840 --> 02:35:28,960 hopeful as I said staff at the province 3750 02:35:28,960 --> 02:35:31,920 have been working with us which is we've 3751 02:35:31,920 --> 02:35:34,640 applied for many many many 3752 02:35:34,640 --> 02:35:36,800 funding programs. This is the one the 3753 02:35:36,800 --> 02:35:39,040 only one in my memory where staff have 3754 02:35:39,040 --> 02:35:41,920 work are working with us. So I would 3755 02:35:41,920 --> 02:35:43,680 like to think that they see something 3756 02:35:43,680 --> 02:35:45,359 there. 3757 02:35:45,359 --> 02:35:47,760 Are we there? No, we're not. Do I expect 3758 02:35:47,760 --> 02:35:50,080 to be there tomorrow? No, I don't. But 3759 02:35:50,080 --> 02:35:52,240 we're working through it. I hope I 3760 02:35:52,240 --> 02:35:55,359 didn't miss anything. 3761 02:35:55,359 --> 02:35:57,840 But I would like to reiterate what you 3762 02:35:57,840 --> 02:36:00,479 just said, too. It's only been four 3763 02:36:00,479 --> 02:36:02,319 months. 3764 02:36:02,319 --> 02:36:04,550 >> This hasn't been a one-year pilot 3765 02:36:04,550 --> 02:36:04,560 » This hasn't been a one-year pilot 3766 02:36:04,560 --> 02:36:06,240 project which we all agreed to go 3767 02:36:06,240 --> 02:36:09,439 through. So to jump on a five-year now 3768 02:36:09,439 --> 02:36:11,040 to go to procurement to get this 3769 02:36:11,040 --> 02:36:12,319 happening within the next couple of 3770 02:36:12,319 --> 02:36:14,560 months to me just not comfortable doing 3771 02:36:14,560 --> 02:36:19,030 that yet. 3772 02:36:19,040 --> 02:36:20,960 » Okay. I've got uh councelor Dehaney 3773 02:36:20,960 --> 02:36:25,359 next. Myself and then councelor 3774 02:36:25,359 --> 02:36:28,319 Thank you mayor. Thank you um deputy co 3775 02:36:28,319 --> 02:36:31,120 for your presentation. I believe the 3776 02:36:31,120 --> 02:36:35,439 writership has exceeded our expectation 3777 02:36:35,439 --> 02:36:38,479 and of course as you mentioned over and 3778 02:36:38,479 --> 02:36:40,399 over and over the challenges and of 3779 02:36:40,399 --> 02:36:42,240 course with anything at all in life 3780 02:36:42,240 --> 02:36:44,240 we're going to have challenges right but 3781 02:36:44,240 --> 02:36:46,240 when come when we do have challenges we 3782 02:36:46,240 --> 02:36:49,359 find ways to navigate those challenges 3783 02:36:49,359 --> 02:36:51,520 and with the increase of ridership 3784 02:36:51,520 --> 02:36:53,200 definitely we're going to definitely 3785 02:36:53,200 --> 02:36:56,880 need more buses right on the street. We 3786 02:36:56,880 --> 02:37:00,000 started with a million dollar um a 3787 02:37:00,000 --> 02:37:02,640 million dollar um budget right which was 3788 02:37:02,640 --> 02:37:05,439 the same as the older system but now the 3789 02:37:05,439 --> 02:37:07,280 wrership has increased it is more the 3790 02:37:07,280 --> 02:37:10,880 demand is greater now right so of course 3791 02:37:10,880 --> 02:37:13,120 it's it's it's only common it's only 3792 02:37:13,120 --> 02:37:15,520 common sense that we're definitely going 3793 02:37:15,520 --> 02:37:18,399 to need more buses on the street so at 3794 02:37:18,399 --> 02:37:22,000 this point coming with a re um for for 3795 02:37:22,000 --> 02:37:24,319 evaluation 3796 02:37:24,319 --> 02:37:27,200 right and how do we continue this pilot 3797 02:37:27,200 --> 02:37:30,080 program is very timely. I am definitely 3798 02:37:30,080 --> 02:37:33,120 going to support this and I want to 3799 02:37:33,120 --> 02:37:35,680 encourage the residents, the writers to 3800 02:37:35,680 --> 02:37:38,800 continue coming with your with with with 3801 02:37:38,800 --> 02:37:42,160 the with your comments, your ideas, your 3802 02:37:42,160 --> 02:37:44,319 suggestions and the challenges that 3803 02:37:44,319 --> 02:37:47,439 you're facing so that you know we can 3804 02:37:47,439 --> 02:37:50,720 improve on this system right because I'm 3805 02:37:50,720 --> 02:37:53,680 telling you the wrership comparing to 3806 02:37:53,680 --> 02:37:57,120 the older service that we had before it 3807 02:37:57,120 --> 02:37:59,760 is greater. So what we're experiencing 3808 02:37:59,760 --> 02:38:02,560 right now is normal. It is going to be 3809 02:38:02,560 --> 02:38:04,880 normal because the wrership is greater. 3810 02:38:04,880 --> 02:38:07,280 Are we going to sit in it or are we 3811 02:38:07,280 --> 02:38:09,120 going to go to the drawing board and 3812 02:38:09,120 --> 02:38:11,280 we're going to maybe get another bus on 3813 02:38:11,280 --> 02:38:13,280 the street? We definitely going to need 3814 02:38:13,280 --> 02:38:14,720 another bus. I don't know how we're 3815 02:38:14,720 --> 02:38:18,960 going to do this mahish until April 3816 02:38:18,960 --> 02:38:21,040 because of course with the buses that 3817 02:38:21,040 --> 02:38:22,720 we're having right now, we're definitely 3818 02:38:22,720 --> 02:38:24,720 going to have more issues. We're going 3819 02:38:24,720 --> 02:38:26,560 to have more problems if we don't get 3820 02:38:26,560 --> 02:38:29,120 another bus on it. Right. It has 3821 02:38:29,120 --> 02:38:30,880 exceeded our expectation. People are 3822 02:38:30,880 --> 02:38:33,520 loving the service and for the people 3823 02:38:33,520 --> 02:38:35,920 definitely I'm advocating for the people 3824 02:38:35,920 --> 02:38:37,680 because I've been hearing people they 3825 02:38:37,680 --> 02:38:40,560 love the service. However, the glitches 3826 02:38:40,560 --> 02:38:43,680 and again the glitches is because the 3827 02:38:43,680 --> 02:38:47,120 ridership has exceeded the expectation. 3828 02:38:47,120 --> 02:38:49,359 We did not expect that the ridership was 3829 02:38:49,359 --> 02:38:51,760 going to be this great which is very 3830 02:38:51,760 --> 02:38:54,960 good. Right. But I have one ask for you 3831 02:38:54,960 --> 02:38:57,920 um deputy CEO. So I have residents 3832 02:38:57,920 --> 02:39:01,520 reaching out that goes to Henderson Park 3833 02:39:01,520 --> 02:39:04,319 and I believe the bus only stops at the 3834 02:39:04,319 --> 02:39:05,840 Elden. 3835 02:39:05,840 --> 02:39:08,000 I know right now there's no route around 3836 02:39:08,000 --> 02:39:10,720 that area, but if the bus could even do 3837 02:39:10,720 --> 02:39:13,439 one maybe one stop over the light 3838 02:39:13,439 --> 02:39:15,120 because there's no stop light. There's 3839 02:39:15,120 --> 02:39:18,160 no sidewalks I should say. Sorry. So if 3840 02:39:18,160 --> 02:39:20,000 the bus could maybe just go over that 3841 02:39:20,000 --> 02:39:23,439 one light, right? same route, but just 3842 02:39:23,439 --> 02:39:25,840 bring the the children, the youth, the 3843 02:39:25,840 --> 02:39:29,040 vulnerables, right, over that light cuz 3844 02:39:29,040 --> 02:39:32,800 there's no sidewalk, right? During this 3845 02:39:32,800 --> 02:39:35,280 pilot program, the residents will be 3846 02:39:35,280 --> 02:39:37,840 very happy. 3847 02:39:37,840 --> 02:39:39,600 So, if that's something that we can look 3848 02:39:39,600 --> 02:39:42,479 into during this pilot program, we're 3849 02:39:42,479 --> 02:39:44,560 not changing route. We're on the same 3850 02:39:44,560 --> 02:39:46,640 route because I'm sure the bus has to 3851 02:39:46,640 --> 02:39:48,160 maybe go over the light to make a 3852 02:39:48,160 --> 02:39:51,280 U-turn, right, to continue its journey. 3853 02:39:51,280 --> 02:39:54,160 So if we can maybe look at one stop over 3854 02:39:54,160 --> 02:39:55,920 the light just to take them over the 3855 02:39:55,920 --> 02:39:58,000 light and we're talking about the people 3856 02:39:58,000 --> 02:40:00,399 the vulnerables the youth right people 3857 02:40:00,399 --> 02:40:02,479 that depends on this service but I'm 3858 02:40:02,479 --> 02:40:06,080 very much in support of the report and 3859 02:40:06,080 --> 02:40:07,680 of course if the wrership is going to 3860 02:40:07,680 --> 02:40:09,120 increase we definitely know that the 3861 02:40:09,120 --> 02:40:11,680 budget has to be visited it does not 3862 02:40:11,680 --> 02:40:14,960 take a brainer to know that right so the 3863 02:40:14,960 --> 02:40:17,680 wrership has exceeded our expectation 3864 02:40:17,680 --> 02:40:20,160 and now it's time to act because now 3865 02:40:20,160 --> 02:40:23,040 Argo is doing better than what the other 3866 02:40:23,040 --> 02:40:25,120 service was doing. The other service was 3867 02:40:25,120 --> 02:40:27,439 doing great. It did its time. Now we see 3868 02:40:27,439 --> 02:40:28,960 that there's more people that are 3869 02:40:28,960 --> 02:40:32,399 depending on the public transit. Are we 3870 02:40:32,399 --> 02:40:34,720 going backwards or are we going forward? 3871 02:40:34,720 --> 02:40:36,240 Well, I believe we want to go forward 3872 02:40:36,240 --> 02:40:37,840 and I believe the community want to go 3873 02:40:37,840 --> 02:40:40,479 forward. So, if Argo can fix some of 3874 02:40:40,479 --> 02:40:42,319 those glitches and again it's four 3875 02:40:42,319 --> 02:40:44,720 months in, we need to hear the problems 3876 02:40:44,720 --> 02:40:47,120 so that we can fix them, right? so that 3877 02:40:47,120 --> 02:40:49,120 we can improve the service to better 3878 02:40:49,120 --> 02:40:51,600 serve our BWG 3879 02:40:51,600 --> 02:40:54,080 residents. Thank you again. Um, deputy 3880 02:40:54,080 --> 02:40:57,429 CEO, 3881 02:40:57,439 --> 02:41:01,750 » you want to respond to it all or 3882 02:41:01,760 --> 02:41:04,560 » I've heard from councelor Jordano on 3883 02:41:04,560 --> 02:41:06,080 Henderson. I've heard from councelor 3884 02:41:06,080 --> 02:41:09,760 Dhanei. Um, I'll say to both of you, 3885 02:41:09,760 --> 02:41:12,640 leave it with me to discuss it with 3886 02:41:12,640 --> 02:41:14,479 Argo, to discuss it internally with our 3887 02:41:14,479 --> 02:41:18,319 transit folks to see what solution we 3888 02:41:18,319 --> 02:41:20,080 can come up with, shape or form, and 3889 02:41:20,080 --> 02:41:23,680 I'll get back to both of you. 3890 02:41:23,680 --> 02:41:25,840 Okay. Thank you. I I'm going to comment 3891 02:41:25,840 --> 02:41:27,840 now if you don't mind, and I I um 3892 02:41:27,840 --> 02:41:29,359 appreciate everybody's comments, and I I 3893 02:41:29,359 --> 02:41:30,640 really want to say thank you to the 3894 02:41:30,640 --> 02:41:32,000 residents that are actually sending in 3895 02:41:32,000 --> 02:41:33,600 comments and suggestions to us. I think 3896 02:41:33,600 --> 02:41:35,680 that's I think that helps us because you 3897 02:41:35,680 --> 02:41:37,439 know what it is a pilot program and it 3898 02:41:37,439 --> 02:41:40,160 is something that if they weren't ch 3899 02:41:40,160 --> 02:41:41,920 making changes all the time. I mean I'd 3900 02:41:41,920 --> 02:41:44,240 be afraid then technology and AI is 3901 02:41:44,240 --> 02:41:46,720 advancing so fast that this is this is 3902 02:41:46,720 --> 02:41:48,240 helping them and and I think the biggest 3903 02:41:48,240 --> 02:41:50,560 one you made uh deput was the fact that 3904 02:41:50,560 --> 02:41:53,120 they're doing it in real time and we're 3905 02:41:53,120 --> 02:41:54,479 we're we're bettering the service we're 3906 02:41:54,479 --> 02:41:56,160 increasing the service and I and I the 3907 02:41:56,160 --> 02:41:57,600 ridership has increased and that is 3908 02:41:57,600 --> 02:41:59,040 absolutely a supply and demand issue 3909 02:41:59,040 --> 02:41:59,760 right there. I mean, there's no 3910 02:41:59,760 --> 02:42:01,200 offensive bus. We had three buses 3911 02:42:01,200 --> 02:42:03,280 before. We're up to four. I mean, we 3912 02:42:03,280 --> 02:42:05,040 know we're going to need more. It's 3913 02:42:05,040 --> 02:42:06,720 about setting this program up. I think 3914 02:42:06,720 --> 02:42:08,880 this is I think this is an absolute gem 3915 02:42:08,880 --> 02:42:11,520 for us. Uh a dollar a ride. I would love 3916 02:42:11,520 --> 02:42:13,840 to see us uh have hit those targets 3917 02:42:13,840 --> 02:42:16,399 where you have 420,000 rides a year. I 3918 02:42:16,399 --> 02:42:18,080 would love to see those targets hit for 3919 02:42:18,080 --> 02:42:20,319 sure. I think this is uh uh something 3920 02:42:20,319 --> 02:42:21,920 that I'm going to absolutely 100% 3921 02:42:21,920 --> 02:42:23,120 support because I think it is a benefit 3922 02:42:23,120 --> 02:42:24,560 to our residents. It's it's a real 3923 02:42:24,560 --> 02:42:26,240 affordability issue. It's a real quality 3924 02:42:26,240 --> 02:42:28,160 of life issue for them and we will get 3925 02:42:28,160 --> 02:42:30,880 this right with their feedback. We will 3926 02:42:30,880 --> 02:42:33,840 get this right. Come to us directly. 3927 02:42:33,840 --> 02:42:35,760 Don't use Facebook as your platform for 3928 02:42:35,760 --> 02:42:37,280 telling us what we're doing wrong. Come 3929 02:42:37,280 --> 02:42:38,880 to us directly. Please come to every 3930 02:42:38,880 --> 02:42:40,080 counselor directly. Come to their 3931 02:42:40,080 --> 02:42:42,160 accounts. Ask them to get this to the 3932 02:42:42,160 --> 02:42:43,760 people that are that are making the 3933 02:42:43,760 --> 02:42:45,600 changes. We'll do better. We'll 3934 02:42:45,600 --> 02:42:46,960 absolutely do better because they are 3935 02:42:46,960 --> 02:42:49,439 doing better every day. I'll tell you, I 3936 02:42:49,439 --> 02:42:51,439 we we start off some issues, but we have 3937 02:42:51,439 --> 02:42:53,040 cleaned up a lot of those issues and 3938 02:42:53,040 --> 02:42:54,960 this program is moving a lot faster than 3939 02:42:54,960 --> 02:42:57,200 thought. And I am absolutely 100% not 3940 02:42:57,200 --> 02:42:58,640 afraid of those buses being out there in 3941 02:42:58,640 --> 02:43:00,640 the winter. Tesla's been around for a 3942 02:43:00,640 --> 02:43:02,000 long time. Electric batteries. We've had 3943 02:43:02,000 --> 02:43:03,280 electric cars on the road for a long 3944 02:43:03,280 --> 02:43:04,720 time. It's got nothing to do with the 3945 02:43:04,720 --> 02:43:06,399 batteries failing in the winter. It's 3946 02:43:06,399 --> 02:43:08,000 the driving ability of everybody in the 3947 02:43:08,000 --> 02:43:10,800 winter. 50% of the drivers in Ontario 3948 02:43:10,800 --> 02:43:13,439 for grant in the winter can't drive. 3949 02:43:13,439 --> 02:43:15,840 It's ridiculous. But these buses are 3950 02:43:15,840 --> 02:43:18,160 built. They've passed quality asurances 3951 02:43:18,160 --> 02:43:20,319 to get into Canada to be sold in Canada. 3952 02:43:20,319 --> 02:43:24,560 So, I'm I'm absolutely 100% uh in favor 3953 02:43:24,560 --> 02:43:26,640 of them or supportive of them being a 3954 02:43:26,640 --> 02:43:28,160 bus that can drive in the winter. I have 3955 02:43:28,160 --> 02:43:29,840 no issue with that. If it's a blizzard 3956 02:43:29,840 --> 02:43:31,439 or a snowstorm, you're getting off the 3957 02:43:31,439 --> 02:43:33,120 road anyways. Most of most of the things 3958 02:43:33,120 --> 02:43:34,880 are getting off the road anyways. So, I 3959 02:43:34,880 --> 02:43:37,120 mean, we're not This is a system that I 3960 02:43:37,120 --> 02:43:38,960 think will work. Uh the buses are 3961 02:43:38,960 --> 02:43:41,200 manufactured in Turkey. The system 3962 02:43:41,200 --> 02:43:43,760 worked because we had the bus 3963 02:43:43,760 --> 02:43:45,840 manufacturer and the tech people get 3964 02:43:45,840 --> 02:43:47,359 together and drive this program. That's 3965 02:43:47,359 --> 02:43:48,880 where we got this program from. And I'm 3966 02:43:48,880 --> 02:43:50,479 100% support. I've seen I've seen it 3967 02:43:50,479 --> 02:43:53,040 advance. So, I'm going to support this. 3968 02:43:53,040 --> 02:43:54,479 We need to go out and get a 5-year 3969 02:43:54,479 --> 02:43:56,000 contract. I think we can do that. There 3970 02:43:56,000 --> 02:43:57,760 is there is other alternative suppliers 3971 02:43:57,760 --> 02:43:59,840 out there. You're seeing it uh go 3972 02:43:59,840 --> 02:44:01,600 forward. We're seeing this this pick up 3973 02:44:01,600 --> 02:44:03,439 across the province. You you've seen 3974 02:44:03,439 --> 02:44:04,800 other communities pick up on what we're 3975 02:44:04,800 --> 02:44:06,960 doing. We have uh BMPon and a few other 3976 02:44:06,960 --> 02:44:08,399 communities that are actually advancing 3977 02:44:08,399 --> 02:44:10,399 this. I' I've got calls from many mayors 3978 02:44:10,399 --> 02:44:11,840 throughout Ontario asking me, "How'd you 3979 02:44:11,840 --> 02:44:14,000 do this?" We've got other providers 3980 02:44:14,000 --> 02:44:15,359 coming in saying, "Hey, can you help us 3981 02:44:15,359 --> 02:44:17,439 out?" So, I I'm in support of this. I 3982 02:44:17,439 --> 02:44:19,359 think it's a great program and I and I 3983 02:44:19,359 --> 02:44:20,640 commend everybody for giving us those 3984 02:44:20,640 --> 02:44:22,399 comments because that's what makes us 3985 02:44:22,399 --> 02:44:24,880 better. We know this is a pilot. We know 3986 02:44:24,880 --> 02:44:26,240 there was going to be issues, but I'll 3987 02:44:26,240 --> 02:44:29,359 tell you what, 57 complaints is not a 3988 02:44:29,359 --> 02:44:32,000 huge number, but it's perfect to help us 3989 02:44:32,000 --> 02:44:33,680 make this system better. And and I want 3990 02:44:33,680 --> 02:44:35,040 to hear I want to hear that feedback. I 3991 02:44:35,040 --> 02:44:36,560 want to see that feedback because we can 3992 02:44:36,560 --> 02:44:38,399 do better. They are doing better. And I 3993 02:44:38,399 --> 02:44:41,439 I commend your team, Mesh, all of our 3994 02:44:41,439 --> 02:44:45,120 our staff, the uh Argo staff, wonderful 3995 02:44:45,120 --> 02:44:46,319 working together. They're very 3996 02:44:46,319 --> 02:44:48,399 responsive. So, we can do this and I'm 3997 02:44:48,399 --> 02:44:49,840 I'm looking forward to this service 3998 02:44:49,840 --> 02:44:52,160 becoming a full-time service and I I 3999 02:44:52,160 --> 02:44:54,960 will support the report. So, I uh I'll 4000 02:44:54,960 --> 02:44:56,960 turn it back to I got councelor Jano 4001 02:44:56,960 --> 02:45:00,000 next. Anybody else? 4002 02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:01,840 Yeah, I can't remember now, but I'd like 4003 02:45:01,840 --> 02:45:04,000 to put a motion on to uh extend the 4004 02:45:04,000 --> 02:45:06,560 pilot before we make a decision. I'm not 4005 02:45:06,560 --> 02:45:08,960 sure if that's been tabled yet. Um also, 4006 02:45:08,960 --> 02:45:12,000 a few more points. Um I think I I heard 4007 02:45:12,000 --> 02:45:14,240 from the deput all the more reason to 4008 02:45:14,240 --> 02:45:16,640 wait. Um you're saying that more and 4009 02:45:16,640 --> 02:45:19,040 more uh other competitors or other 4010 02:45:19,040 --> 02:45:21,439 companies are catching up. So why are we 4011 02:45:21,439 --> 02:45:23,520 rushing to go to market with maybe in 4012 02:45:23,520 --> 02:45:25,439 the next 6 months to a year there could 4013 02:45:25,439 --> 02:45:27,279 be all kinds of options and different 4014 02:45:27,279 --> 02:45:29,520 pricing and everything else. You never 4015 02:45:29,520 --> 02:45:30,960 necessarily want to go first to market 4016 02:45:30,960 --> 02:45:32,640 with anyone because you're not getting 4017 02:45:32,640 --> 02:45:34,240 as competitiveness when it looks at the 4018 02:45:34,240 --> 02:45:36,399 landscape of opportunities. So just as 4019 02:45:36,399 --> 02:45:37,840 you were saying every single day things 4020 02:45:37,840 --> 02:45:39,760 are changing and advancing. That's more 4021 02:45:39,760 --> 02:45:42,080 of a reason to wait and and extend our 4022 02:45:42,080 --> 02:45:44,640 pilot. um as a business person and I'm 4023 02:45:44,640 --> 02:45:48,240 not uh speaking as um you know uh you 4024 02:45:48,240 --> 02:45:49,840 know someone out of emotion it's it's 4025 02:45:49,840 --> 02:45:51,439 based on strategic right so when you 4026 02:45:51,439 --> 02:45:52,960 look at your business plan you you don't 4027 02:45:52,960 --> 02:45:54,080 turn around and say well I'm going to 4028 02:45:54,080 --> 02:45:55,920 pigeon hole myself into a potential 4029 02:45:55,920 --> 02:45:57,600 option knowing that in six months to a 4030 02:45:57,600 --> 02:45:59,359 year there could be a way you know 4031 02:45:59,359 --> 02:46:03,920 larger landscape of opportunity um so 4032 02:46:03,920 --> 02:46:05,600 the other thing too is we keep saying we 4033 02:46:05,600 --> 02:46:06,720 need other buses and everything else 4034 02:46:06,720 --> 02:46:08,479 yeah like I think this service is 4035 02:46:08,479 --> 02:46:10,560 fantastic what's the cost what's the 4036 02:46:10,560 --> 02:46:11,920 cost of those increased buses who's 4037 02:46:11,920 --> 02:46:13,439 paying for those costs 4038 02:46:13,439 --> 02:46:15,680 Right. To councelor Harper's point, why 4039 02:46:15,680 --> 02:46:17,680 a dollar? Just because we want to make 4040 02:46:17,680 --> 02:46:19,439 it affordable for everybody. Okay. Well, 4041 02:46:19,439 --> 02:46:21,120 and then you mentioned about having, you 4042 02:46:21,120 --> 02:46:22,160 know, those who could affordable will 4043 02:46:22,160 --> 02:46:23,920 pay more. Well, isn't that a human 4044 02:46:23,920 --> 02:46:26,000 rights tribunal nightmare right there 4045 02:46:26,000 --> 02:46:27,040 all of a sudden saying, "Well, you're 4046 02:46:27,040 --> 02:46:28,080 going to pay more because you can afford 4047 02:46:28,080 --> 02:46:30,000 it, but no, you you don't deserve to pay 4048 02:46:30,000 --> 02:46:31,279 as much as somebody else." Like, I I 4049 02:46:31,279 --> 02:46:32,319 don't understand how that even comes 4050 02:46:32,319 --> 02:46:34,560 into play. So, like again, these are all 4051 02:46:34,560 --> 02:46:36,479 things that I'm hearing for the first 4052 02:46:36,479 --> 02:46:38,080 time now, and I want more clarification 4053 02:46:38,080 --> 02:46:40,479 on some of this information. Um, and I 4054 02:46:40,479 --> 02:46:41,600 believe there was also some complaints 4055 02:46:41,600 --> 02:46:43,920 about accessibility issues that these 4056 02:46:43,920 --> 02:46:45,520 these buses did meet certain criteria, 4057 02:46:45,520 --> 02:46:47,120 but we've been modifying the buses in 4058 02:46:47,120 --> 02:46:49,279 order to accommodate that. Is that real 4059 02:46:49,279 --> 02:46:51,359 or is that true? Uh, maybe you can just 4060 02:46:51,359 --> 02:46:53,600 address that. And then lastly, uh, the 4061 02:46:53,600 --> 02:46:54,960 mayor brought this up and it was 4062 02:46:54,960 --> 02:46:55,760 something I didn't want to bring up 4063 02:46:55,760 --> 02:46:58,240 today, but I'm going to say it now. Um, 4064 02:46:58,240 --> 02:47:00,000 I I would be much more comfortable if 4065 02:47:00,000 --> 02:47:01,840 this these were Canadian manufacturer 4066 02:47:01,840 --> 02:47:04,000 vehicles and not from Turkey or 4067 02:47:04,000 --> 02:47:06,160 somewhere else overseas. We are in a 4068 02:47:06,160 --> 02:47:08,880 massive manufacturing war globally. We 4069 02:47:08,880 --> 02:47:10,640 have the companies and the ability 4070 02:47:10,640 --> 02:47:13,040 locally to build this and we're going 4071 02:47:13,040 --> 02:47:15,040 across the world to get these things. I 4072 02:47:15,040 --> 02:47:17,279 I you know, at the end of the day, 4073 02:47:17,279 --> 02:47:18,399 they're just down the street. They're 4074 02:47:18,399 --> 02:47:19,760 just up the street. We can we can get 4075 02:47:19,760 --> 02:47:23,439 access to Canadian manufacturing. 4076 02:47:23,439 --> 02:47:26,070 >> Okay. Thank you. I've got Council Kite 4077 02:47:26,070 --> 02:47:26,080 » Okay. Thank you. I've got Council Kite 4078 02:47:26,080 --> 02:47:28,000 next. And then actually, I don't have 4079 02:47:28,000 --> 02:47:30,720 recommendation on the floor yet, do I? 4080 02:47:30,720 --> 02:47:34,479 I've been debating that. So, okay. So, 4081 02:47:34,479 --> 02:47:36,080 you you you said you wanted to put a 4082 02:47:36,080 --> 02:47:38,080 recommendation on the floor. 4083 02:47:38,080 --> 02:47:43,190 So madam 4084 02:47:43,200 --> 02:47:46,399 » okay speak 4085 02:47:46,399 --> 02:47:50,240 so I guess my question is 4086 02:47:50,240 --> 02:47:53,520 uh we're all kind of yeah most some of 4087 02:47:53,520 --> 02:47:55,439 us are worried about winter operation 4088 02:47:55,439 --> 02:47:59,120 I'm not but uh that is the biggest 4089 02:47:59,120 --> 02:48:01,200 concern I'm hearing here and also that 4090 02:48:01,200 --> 02:48:05,840 the pilot hasn't really fully 4091 02:48:05,840 --> 02:48:07,359 been 4092 02:48:07,359 --> 02:48:10,720 gone through the stages yet. So 4093 02:48:10,720 --> 02:48:14,560 I see in the on page 12 of your report 4094 02:48:14,560 --> 02:48:16,640 or presentation the request for 4095 02:48:16,640 --> 02:48:18,960 proposals 4096 02:48:18,960 --> 02:48:22,080 to award the contract in November of 4097 02:48:22,080 --> 02:48:25,990 2025 4098 02:48:26,000 --> 02:48:29,760 and but getting the getting the RFP done 4099 02:48:29,760 --> 02:48:33,279 in October. So what I'm trying to say is 4100 02:48:33,279 --> 02:48:35,840 we do need the pricing before budget 4101 02:48:35,840 --> 02:48:37,840 time. 4102 02:48:37,840 --> 02:48:40,880 So could we do all that but then can we 4103 02:48:40,880 --> 02:48:43,359 find out if Argo can give us a two 4104 02:48:43,359 --> 02:48:45,760 threemonth extension 4105 02:48:45,760 --> 02:48:47,920 so that we don't award the contract 4106 02:48:47,920 --> 02:48:49,520 until 4107 02:48:49,520 --> 02:48:51,840 February 4108 02:48:51,840 --> 02:48:57,359 and then the contract begins in say May 4109 02:48:57,359 --> 02:49:00,240 and then we can get the process going 4110 02:49:00,240 --> 02:49:02,960 for the RFP and get the pricing. 4111 02:49:02,960 --> 02:49:04,640 But I don't know you can I don't think 4112 02:49:04,640 --> 02:49:06,160 you can answer the question whether Argo 4113 02:49:06,160 --> 02:49:08,160 was willing to give us a two or three 4114 02:49:08,160 --> 02:49:12,080 month extension on the U 4115 02:49:12,080 --> 02:49:17,269 pilot program 4116 02:49:17,279 --> 02:49:19,359 » uh through you mayor Loop to councel 4117 02:49:19,359 --> 02:49:22,800 Vike um the extension. 4118 02:49:22,800 --> 02:49:26,080 Would you like to ask the question? 4119 02:49:26,080 --> 02:49:28,309 >> Sorry 4120 02:49:28,309 --> 02:49:28,319 » Sorry 4121 02:49:28,319 --> 02:49:30,399 for I didn't hear you. Did you say that 4122 02:49:30,399 --> 02:49:32,880 they will give us an extension? 4123 02:49:32,880 --> 02:49:35,200 I didn't get there yet. 4124 02:49:35,200 --> 02:49:36,960 Um, in terms of the extension, it's 4125 02:49:36,960 --> 02:49:38,240 something I'm I'm sure that we can 4126 02:49:38,240 --> 02:49:40,399 raise, not I'm sure, I know we can raise 4127 02:49:40,399 --> 02:49:43,120 with them and have that conversation. 4128 02:49:43,120 --> 02:49:44,960 What I will suggest is that any 4129 02:49:44,960 --> 02:49:48,000 extension will need to give us enough 4130 02:49:48,000 --> 02:49:51,040 time from the award to the start, I 4131 02:49:51,040 --> 02:49:54,240 would recommend six months. Um, simply 4132 02:49:54,240 --> 02:49:55,920 in the event that it's a different 4133 02:49:55,920 --> 02:49:58,640 vendor who would need to replicate the 4134 02:49:58,640 --> 02:50:00,720 systems that they've put in place. Um, 4135 02:50:00,720 --> 02:50:03,120 so you'll need that six months um, in 4136 02:50:03,120 --> 02:50:04,399 terms of that. So whatever extension 4137 02:50:04,399 --> 02:50:06,720 we're looking at, work backwards plus my 4138 02:50:06,720 --> 02:50:09,439 RFP time, you're looking at about nine, 4139 02:50:09,439 --> 02:50:11,439 eight to nine months, right? 4140 02:50:11,439 --> 02:50:13,110 >> So my follow-up question is, we don't 4141 02:50:13,110 --> 02:50:13,120 » So my follow-up question is, we don't 4142 02:50:13,120 --> 02:50:16,640 approve this tonight and ask for it to 4143 02:50:16,640 --> 02:50:18,640 be deferred to or I guess our next 4144 02:50:18,640 --> 02:50:21,680 meeting is in September. How does that 4145 02:50:21,680 --> 02:50:23,359 affect 4146 02:50:23,359 --> 02:50:26,160 the timing? Will we still be able 4147 02:50:26,160 --> 02:50:33,750 September to make a decision? 4148 02:50:33,760 --> 02:50:38,000 Um, Argo is here. We can put them put 4149 02:50:38,000 --> 02:50:42,319 them on the spot. Um, 4150 02:50:42,319 --> 02:50:44,640 No, it's if we're if we're looking at an 4151 02:50:44,640 --> 02:50:46,880 extension if we're looking at an 4152 02:50:46,880 --> 02:50:49,920 extension, is that to 4153 02:50:49,920 --> 02:50:52,160 prove that the buses can work in the 4154 02:50:52,160 --> 02:50:55,680 winter? Is that what we're looking for? 4155 02:50:55,680 --> 02:50:59,590 >> No. No. Uh, some are. I'm not. But the 4156 02:50:59,590 --> 02:50:59,600 » No. No. Uh, some are. I'm not. But the 4157 02:50:59,600 --> 02:51:01,920 other request for an extension was to 4158 02:51:01,920 --> 02:51:05,359 more fully test the pilot to get more 4159 02:51:05,359 --> 02:51:08,560 confidence in in what's happening. 4160 02:51:08,560 --> 02:51:11,760 But my question right now is if we we 4161 02:51:11,760 --> 02:51:14,640 can't get those answers tonight, then 4162 02:51:14,640 --> 02:51:17,600 can we delay the decision to September 4163 02:51:17,600 --> 02:51:24,950 and still move forward properly? 4164 02:51:24,960 --> 02:51:27,680 through you, Mayor Luk, to move forward 4165 02:51:27,680 --> 02:51:33,510 and give any potential 4166 02:51:33,520 --> 02:51:37,520 other vendor a fair shot at mobilizing. 4167 02:51:37,520 --> 02:51:40,240 We'll need to move the end of pilot 4168 02:51:40,240 --> 02:51:42,640 completion date. Otherwise, what we will 4169 02:51:42,640 --> 02:51:44,960 end up stacking is in favor of Argo, 4170 02:51:44,960 --> 02:51:48,080 I'll be honest. Um, and from a 4171 02:51:48,080 --> 02:51:50,000 procurement perspective, that's not 4172 02:51:50,000 --> 02:51:51,680 advisable. 4173 02:51:51,680 --> 02:51:54,560 So, the first thing would be ask Argo, 4174 02:51:54,560 --> 02:51:56,160 can we get an extension? How many months 4175 02:51:56,160 --> 02:51:58,560 we're looking for? Um, based upon what 4176 02:51:58,560 --> 02:51:59,840 I've heard around the table, you're 4177 02:51:59,840 --> 02:52:01,359 probably looking, as you're right, at 4178 02:52:01,359 --> 02:52:03,120 least a three-month extension, probably 4179 02:52:03,120 --> 02:52:05,040 a little longer, and what would be the 4180 02:52:05,040 --> 02:52:07,439 terms of that. Um, so that's the first 4181 02:52:07,439 --> 02:52:10,800 part. Um, and then work it backwards and 4182 02:52:10,800 --> 02:52:13,120 see what is it we can provide to that. 4183 02:52:13,120 --> 02:52:14,479 So, that's something I can definitely 4184 02:52:14,479 --> 02:52:18,640 raise. I will not suggest that based 4185 02:52:18,640 --> 02:52:20,479 upon the full sum of the conversation 4186 02:52:20,479 --> 02:52:22,080 that we're back in September. It's 4187 02:52:22,080 --> 02:52:25,760 probably back later than that, right? 4188 02:52:25,760 --> 02:52:28,640 So then we can Have you got time? So my 4189 02:52:28,640 --> 02:52:30,319 concern is if you if we drive this 4190 02:52:30,319 --> 02:52:32,960 extension and we don't change the buses, 4191 02:52:32,960 --> 02:52:33,920 you're just going to build the 4192 02:52:33,920 --> 02:52:36,160 complaints. So if we're driving 4193 02:52:36,160 --> 02:52:37,439 extension, it means we're driving more 4194 02:52:37,439 --> 02:52:39,200 cost. They've got to bring more buses 4195 02:52:39,200 --> 02:52:41,120 in. I mean, you can't you can't work 4196 02:52:41,120 --> 02:52:43,200 with the four buses. The ridership is 4197 02:52:43,200 --> 02:52:44,800 going up. That's what's driving your 4198 02:52:44,800 --> 02:52:47,040 complaints, that peak demand. We can't 4199 02:52:47,040 --> 02:52:49,279 manage the system on four buses. The 4200 02:52:49,279 --> 02:52:50,880 idea is we need to get our bus services 4201 02:52:50,880 --> 02:52:53,439 up. So, I'm I'm concerned if we drive an 4202 02:52:53,439 --> 02:52:55,520 extension now. So, that's a question. 4203 02:52:55,520 --> 02:52:58,720 So, can we defer this? Is this something 4204 02:52:58,720 --> 02:53:01,279 that we can defer and move to answer 4205 02:53:01,279 --> 02:53:05,359 those questions through that extension? 4206 02:53:05,359 --> 02:53:08,000 Um, I would put one more risk out there, 4207 02:53:08,000 --> 02:53:13,910 Mr. Mayor. What happens if Argo says no? 4208 02:53:13,920 --> 02:53:15,920 then we are in a situation where it's 4209 02:53:15,920 --> 02:53:19,200 very tight. We'll h handicap the next 4210 02:53:19,200 --> 02:53:20,960 proponent 4211 02:53:20,960 --> 02:53:23,680 um in terms of their mobilization and 4212 02:53:23,680 --> 02:53:28,630 that's the challenge. Um 4213 02:53:28,640 --> 02:53:32,240 in terms of we've all agreed that on 4214 02:53:32,240 --> 02:53:34,240 demand transit shows that it has the 4215 02:53:34,240 --> 02:53:38,720 benefit of what we thought it would. 4216 02:53:38,720 --> 02:53:42,000 Couple of things. One is 4217 02:53:42,000 --> 02:53:43,359 there's nothing that's guaranteeing that 4218 02:53:43,359 --> 02:53:44,960 it will be hard. There's nothing that's 4219 02:53:44,960 --> 02:53:46,720 guaranteeing that it will be these 4220 02:53:46,720 --> 02:53:49,279 electric buses. It could be something 4221 02:53:49,279 --> 02:53:51,920 different, right? And that's where we 4222 02:53:51,920 --> 02:53:55,120 need the conversation needs to be. The 4223 02:53:55,120 --> 02:53:57,359 way that the manager of procurement and 4224 02:53:57,359 --> 02:54:00,720 I have been talking about the RFP, it 4225 02:54:00,720 --> 02:54:03,359 has to be performance-based. 4226 02:54:03,359 --> 02:54:05,200 We're not specking you need x number of 4227 02:54:05,200 --> 02:54:09,040 buses and no it's for them to figure 4228 02:54:09,040 --> 02:54:12,720 that out. Whoever can be efficient on 4229 02:54:12,720 --> 02:54:14,800 if we've got a concern that the buses 4230 02:54:14,800 --> 02:54:17,840 must be able to to work in x centimeters 4231 02:54:17,840 --> 02:54:19,920 of snow. That's a performance criteria. 4232 02:54:19,920 --> 02:54:22,399 We put that into the RFP. 4233 02:54:22,399 --> 02:54:23,760 That's what that's the that's the 4234 02:54:23,760 --> 02:54:28,720 solution I would recommend. Um 4235 02:54:28,720 --> 02:54:31,600 we want council Jordano mentioned we 4236 02:54:31,600 --> 02:54:33,680 wanted uh the preferences for buses 4237 02:54:33,680 --> 02:54:35,840 manufactured here that can be in the or 4238 02:54:35,840 --> 02:54:40,240 finished here that can be in the RFP and 4239 02:54:40,240 --> 02:54:42,240 these buses are finished here. So 4240 02:54:42,240 --> 02:54:43,920 they've got manufactured content in 4241 02:54:43,920 --> 02:54:47,600 Canada. um all all all those issues can 4242 02:54:47,600 --> 02:54:49,840 be put as performance in the RFP and 4243 02:54:49,840 --> 02:54:52,399 that's where we're going with um all of 4244 02:54:52,399 --> 02:54:54,319 the concerns raised all of the the 4245 02:54:54,319 --> 02:54:57,680 challenges um that you've that you have 4246 02:54:57,680 --> 02:55:00,160 in your mind can be reflected in a 4247 02:55:00,160 --> 02:55:04,319 performance-based RFP today. 4248 02:55:04,319 --> 02:55:12,389 >> Okay, I've got councelor Dehaney next. 4249 02:55:12,399 --> 02:55:13,760 You're on mute again. And then I want to 4250 02:55:13,760 --> 02:55:14,880 put a recommendation on the floor. I got 4251 02:55:14,880 --> 02:55:16,160 to put the recommendation from the 4252 02:55:16,160 --> 02:55:20,160 report on the floor so we can 4253 02:55:20,160 --> 02:55:21,429 >> Sorry. 4254 02:55:21,429 --> 02:55:21,439 » Sorry. 4255 02:55:21,439 --> 02:55:22,950 >> We're muted. 4256 02:55:22,950 --> 02:55:22,960 » We're muted. 4257 02:55:22,960 --> 02:55:25,990 >> Okay. So, um, if we're going to extend 4258 02:55:25,990 --> 02:55:26,000 » Okay. So, um, if we're going to extend 4259 02:55:26,000 --> 02:55:30,399 the pilot program and if Argo say yes or 4260 02:55:30,399 --> 02:55:33,600 no, um, to what mayor mentioned, we 4261 02:55:33,600 --> 02:55:36,399 definitely going to need another bus on 4262 02:55:36,399 --> 02:55:38,720 the on the road for sure. But again, it 4263 02:55:38,720 --> 02:55:41,439 all depends on Argo. So, Mahes, is Argo 4264 02:55:41,439 --> 02:55:44,080 there in the house tonight? 4265 02:55:44,080 --> 02:55:46,160 I believe you said that they're here. 4266 02:55:46,160 --> 02:55:48,319 Can they come forward and maybe answer 4267 02:55:48,319 --> 02:55:50,800 to some of the questions like will they 4268 02:55:50,800 --> 02:55:53,760 be okay to the pilot program or would 4269 02:55:53,760 --> 02:55:56,240 they need more time to think about it? 4270 02:55:56,240 --> 02:55:58,560 And if they do agree, say tonight, and 4271 02:55:58,560 --> 02:56:01,120 said yes, we can consider the pilot 4272 02:56:01,120 --> 02:56:03,359 program being extended, will they be 4273 02:56:03,359 --> 02:56:05,200 open to, and again, 4274 02:56:05,200 --> 02:56:06,790 >> point of order? I don't think that's 4275 02:56:06,790 --> 02:56:06,800 » point of order? I don't think that's 4276 02:56:06,800 --> 02:56:08,240 appropriate. I don't think we should be 4277 02:56:08,240 --> 02:56:10,720 asking to do business negotiations at a 4278 02:56:10,720 --> 02:56:13,120 council table during a council meeting. 4279 02:56:13,120 --> 02:56:13,830 >> Excuse me. 4280 02:56:13,830 --> 02:56:13,840 » Excuse me. 4281 02:56:13,840 --> 02:56:15,750 >> It's it's un excuse. It's a point it's a 4282 02:56:15,750 --> 02:56:15,760 » It's it's un excuse. It's a point it's a 4283 02:56:15,760 --> 02:56:16,399 point of order. For 4284 02:56:16,399 --> 02:56:18,710 >> a second, please interrupt me. Thank 4285 02:56:18,710 --> 02:56:18,720 » a second, please interrupt me. Thank 4286 02:56:18,720 --> 02:56:19,040 you. 4287 02:56:19,040 --> 02:56:20,469 >> Councelor Dehaney and councelor 4288 02:56:20,469 --> 02:56:20,479 » Councelor Dehaney and councelor 4289 02:56:20,479 --> 02:56:22,800 Gerardano. I'm the chair. I will I will 4290 02:56:22,800 --> 02:56:25,920 take over this. Yes, you can't you can't 4291 02:56:25,920 --> 02:56:27,520 negotiate something at the table right 4292 02:56:27,520 --> 02:56:27,920 now. 4293 02:56:27,920 --> 02:56:29,830 >> One second. I am not one second, mayor. 4294 02:56:29,830 --> 02:56:29,840 » One second. I am not one second, mayor. 4295 02:56:29,840 --> 02:56:32,319 Please and thank you. I'm asking a 4296 02:56:32,319 --> 02:56:34,800 question and I would appreciate if 4297 02:56:34,800 --> 02:56:37,600 persons would listen keenly before 4298 02:56:37,600 --> 02:56:39,520 allowing their 4299 02:56:39,520 --> 02:56:40,950 >> Please ask the question. 4300 02:56:40,950 --> 02:56:40,960 » Please ask the question. 4301 02:56:40,960 --> 02:56:42,710 >> I did ask my question, mayor. Can you 4302 02:56:42,710 --> 02:56:42,720 » I did ask my question, mayor. Can you 4303 02:56:42,720 --> 02:56:45,200 allow me to speak? I was elected just 4304 02:56:45,200 --> 02:56:47,600 like everyone else to represent the 4305 02:56:47,600 --> 02:56:50,080 people of Bradford. Whether you like me 4306 02:56:50,080 --> 02:56:52,640 or not, the people do. That's why I'm 4307 02:56:52,640 --> 02:56:55,200 here. And I have the fair choice and 4308 02:56:55,200 --> 02:56:58,000 right like everyone else to speak as 4309 02:56:58,000 --> 02:57:00,399 lengthy as I choose just as everyone 4310 02:57:00,399 --> 02:57:03,120 else. So let me go back to my question 4311 02:57:03,120 --> 02:57:06,319 before I was interrupted. Thank you. So 4312 02:57:06,319 --> 02:57:08,560 deputy CEO 4313 02:57:08,560 --> 02:57:12,240 you said that Argo was in the house. 4314 02:57:12,240 --> 02:57:16,160 If Argo is okay to come forward, if they 4315 02:57:16,160 --> 02:57:19,680 maybe need more time to answer the 4316 02:57:19,680 --> 02:57:21,840 questions that we're asking, will they 4317 02:57:21,840 --> 02:57:25,200 be open to let us know? Okay. Will they 4318 02:57:25,200 --> 02:57:28,880 be able to provide an extra bus or will 4319 02:57:28,880 --> 02:57:32,080 they be open to the exp extension of the 4320 02:57:32,080 --> 02:57:34,080 pilot program, please? That's my 4321 02:57:34,080 --> 02:57:36,080 question before I was rudely 4322 02:57:36,080 --> 02:57:37,840 interrupted. Thank you. I 4323 02:57:37,840 --> 02:57:39,670 >> have uh our manager procurement come up 4324 02:57:39,670 --> 02:57:39,680 » have uh our manager procurement come up 4325 02:57:39,680 --> 02:57:49,830 and speak to this. 4326 02:57:49,840 --> 02:57:51,200 Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Thank you for your 4327 02:57:51,200 --> 02:57:53,359 question, councelor Dhaney. Um, at this 4328 02:57:53,359 --> 02:57:55,760 time, we are unable to ask Argo to come 4329 02:57:55,760 --> 02:57:57,200 forward to have any discussion with 4330 02:57:57,200 --> 02:57:59,040 respect to the contract. This is 4331 02:57:59,040 --> 02:58:00,640 confidential discussions that we would 4332 02:58:00,640 --> 02:58:04,399 be having offline and Mahesh and I will 4333 02:58:04,399 --> 02:58:06,640 take that on if that is council's desire 4334 02:58:06,640 --> 02:58:09,040 after this meeting. 4335 02:58:09,040 --> 02:58:10,640 Thank you so much, Vanessa, for 4336 02:58:10,640 --> 02:58:12,880 clarifying my question. Thank you. Thank 4337 02:58:12,880 --> 02:58:14,479 you, mayor. 4338 02:58:14,479 --> 02:58:16,469 >> Yes. Thank you. All right. I've got to 4339 02:58:16,469 --> 02:58:16,479 » Yes. Thank you. All right. I've got to 4340 02:58:16,479 --> 02:58:17,920 councelor Scott for the last comment 4341 02:58:17,920 --> 02:58:19,520 before we move on. Thanks for your 4342 02:58:19,520 --> 02:58:22,080 worship. I just want to go back. 4343 02:58:22,080 --> 02:58:25,520 I hear everyone's comments and the 4344 02:58:25,520 --> 02:58:28,960 report itself doesn't outline the RFP 4345 02:58:28,960 --> 02:58:30,640 timeline the way the slideshow 4346 02:58:30,640 --> 02:58:33,359 presentation does, but the initial 4347 02:58:33,359 --> 02:58:36,399 report that we endorsed when we made the 4348 02:58:36,399 --> 02:58:40,240 switch to on demand transit said there 4349 02:58:40,240 --> 02:58:42,640 would be a request for proposals in Q3 4350 02:58:42,640 --> 02:58:44,960 2025 to procure a multi-year service 4351 02:58:44,960 --> 02:58:46,880 provider to enable a shift to permanent 4352 02:58:46,880 --> 02:58:50,240 ondemand transit from April 1st, 2026. 4353 02:58:50,240 --> 02:58:51,760 So, 4354 02:58:51,760 --> 02:58:53,279 we're not being asked to do anything 4355 02:58:53,279 --> 02:58:56,160 tonight that we didn't contemplate doing 4356 02:58:56,160 --> 02:58:58,160 when we launched this pilot. The only 4357 02:58:58,160 --> 02:58:59,600 concern is whether we've had enough time 4358 02:58:59,600 --> 02:59:02,880 of the pilot rolling out to make an 4359 02:59:02,880 --> 02:59:05,120 informed decision, 4360 02:59:05,120 --> 02:59:07,359 which is a fair comment, but we're not 4361 02:59:07,359 --> 02:59:10,319 being asked to make a decision to award 4362 02:59:10,319 --> 02:59:12,080 the contract 4363 02:59:12,080 --> 02:59:14,319 until the end of this year. So, we have 4364 02:59:14,319 --> 02:59:17,040 another three or four months until we're 4365 02:59:17,040 --> 02:59:18,399 being asked to make a decision. All 4366 02:59:18,399 --> 02:59:20,560 we're being asked to do tonight is 4367 02:59:20,560 --> 02:59:23,920 launch the RFP process. So hopefully 4368 02:59:23,920 --> 02:59:26,319 that gives some people some assurance. 4369 02:59:26,319 --> 02:59:28,080 We we don't have a gun to our head, so 4370 02:59:28,080 --> 02:59:29,200 to speak, tonight. We're just being 4371 02:59:29,200 --> 02:59:31,200 asked to take the next stage of a 4372 02:59:31,200 --> 02:59:33,279 process that we control and would still 4373 02:59:33,279 --> 02:59:36,640 make a final decision on in keeping with 4374 02:59:36,640 --> 02:59:38,319 the timeline that was outlined when we 4375 02:59:38,319 --> 02:59:41,840 first launched the pilot. 4376 02:59:41,840 --> 02:59:45,510 >> We have Frank move that we approve the 4377 02:59:45,510 --> 02:59:45,520 » We have Frank move that we approve the 4378 02:59:45,520 --> 02:59:48,790 recommendation. 4379 02:59:48,800 --> 02:59:51,680 It hasn't been seconded. So, 4380 02:59:51,680 --> 02:59:54,389 >> uh, 4381 02:59:54,389 --> 02:59:54,399 » uh, 4382 02:59:54,399 --> 02:59:57,520 his motion was to What was your motion 4383 02:59:57,520 --> 02:59:59,359 again? 4384 02:59:59,359 --> 03:00:00,630 >> So, I need I need the clerk to rule 4385 03:00:00,630 --> 03:00:00,640 » So, I need I need the clerk to rule 4386 03:00:00,640 --> 03:00:05,190 here. Please rule first. 4387 03:00:05,200 --> 03:00:08,160 » We have not put the motion um from the 4388 03:00:08,160 --> 03:00:09,840 agenda, the recommendation of the report 4389 03:00:09,840 --> 03:00:11,840 onto the floor yet. So, we'll do that 4390 03:00:11,840 --> 03:00:13,680 first and then amendments can come from 4391 03:00:13,680 --> 03:00:16,000 there. 4392 03:00:16,000 --> 03:00:17,040 Also, 4393 03:00:17,040 --> 03:00:17,429 >> okay, 4394 03:00:17,429 --> 03:00:17,439 » okay, 4395 03:00:17,439 --> 03:00:19,269 >> hold on. Point of order, 4396 03:00:19,269 --> 03:00:19,279 » hold on. Point of order, 4397 03:00:19,279 --> 03:00:21,830 >> mayor, for clarification. You asked 4398 03:00:21,830 --> 03:00:21,840 » mayor, for clarification. You asked 4399 03:00:21,840 --> 03:00:24,399 councelor Jordano to let councelor 4400 03:00:24,399 --> 03:00:25,760 speak and then you would go back to his 4401 03:00:25,760 --> 03:00:28,319 recommendation. You have not done that. 4402 03:00:28,319 --> 03:00:30,479 I I wanted to clar clarify with the 4403 03:00:30,479 --> 03:00:32,319 clerk. The clerk has clarified how it 4404 03:00:32,319 --> 03:00:34,160 works. We put the motion on the floor. 4405 03:00:34,160 --> 03:00:35,920 If now I'll go back to councelor Jordano 4406 03:00:35,920 --> 03:00:37,520 if he wants to amend it. It's moved and 4407 03:00:37,520 --> 03:00:39,359 seconded. I'm going back to him for an 4408 03:00:39,359 --> 03:00:41,120 amendment if you'd like. So, councelor 4409 03:00:41,120 --> 03:00:43,920 Jordano, would you like to amend it? 4410 03:00:43,920 --> 03:00:46,640 I'd like to amend it to ask staff to ask 4411 03:00:46,640 --> 03:00:51,040 for a um six-month extension on the 4412 03:00:51,040 --> 03:00:53,279 pilot program. 4413 03:00:53,279 --> 03:00:55,439 Therefore, giving us some time I I 4414 03:00:55,439 --> 03:00:57,040 believe it would be would that be 4415 03:00:57,040 --> 03:00:59,600 December instead of September for us to 4416 03:00:59,600 --> 03:01:02,720 start the RFQ process. But I want to do 4417 03:01:02,720 --> 03:01:05,279 it in one year from the day that we 4418 03:01:05,279 --> 03:01:07,520 actually open it up to the actual town. 4419 03:01:07,520 --> 03:01:09,279 So, what date was that? Can you remind 4420 03:01:09,279 --> 03:01:14,469 me? 4421 03:01:14,479 --> 03:01:17,279 through you to um council Jano opening 4422 03:01:17,279 --> 03:01:18,960 the app. 4423 03:01:18,960 --> 03:01:22,150 >> I believe it was July 4424 03:01:22,150 --> 03:01:22,160 » I believe it was July 4425 03:01:22,160 --> 03:01:24,240 7th or 4426 03:01:24,240 --> 03:01:26,880 so, you know, I would like to be going 4427 03:01:26,880 --> 03:01:28,800 to RFQ probably sometime in the 4428 03:01:28,800 --> 03:01:31,040 springtime, make a decision one year 4429 03:01:31,040 --> 03:01:32,720 after the pilot has actually been 4430 03:01:32,720 --> 03:01:35,200 available to the community. So you guys 4431 03:01:35,200 --> 03:01:36,319 are going to have to work the math back 4432 03:01:36,319 --> 03:01:38,080 on when what what what that extension 4433 03:01:38,080 --> 03:01:39,600 looks like. But that's something that 4434 03:01:39,600 --> 03:01:41,520 I'd like to defer this until we get 4435 03:01:41,520 --> 03:01:43,760 answers back about the extension of 4436 03:01:43,760 --> 03:01:47,840 this. Um well, you can ask for it and 4437 03:01:47,840 --> 03:01:48,479 then all of a sudden it doesn't come 4438 03:01:48,479 --> 03:01:50,960 back. We have to unmothball our uh 4439 03:01:50,960 --> 03:01:53,190 >> are you putting an amendment or 4440 03:01:53,190 --> 03:01:53,200 » are you putting an amendment or 4441 03:01:53,200 --> 03:01:54,389 >> Okay, I'll put the amendment. I'll put 4442 03:01:54,389 --> 03:01:54,399 » Okay, I'll put the amendment. I'll put 4443 03:01:54,399 --> 03:01:55,359 the amendment. So we're gonna we're 4444 03:01:55,359 --> 03:01:56,560 gonna ask for extension. So then 4445 03:01:56,560 --> 03:01:58,080 therefore the procurement takes place 4446 03:01:58,080 --> 03:01:59,200 one year from the date that it was 4447 03:01:59,200 --> 03:02:03,750 available to the public. 4448 03:02:03,760 --> 03:02:07,520 Okay. Seconded. So it's amendment that 4449 03:02:07,520 --> 03:02:11,439 it is procurement is one year from July 4450 03:02:11,439 --> 03:02:15,359 7th. That was the date, right? 4451 03:02:15,359 --> 03:02:17,670 >> Hey, 4452 03:02:17,670 --> 03:02:17,680 » Hey, 4453 03:02:17,680 --> 03:02:18,790 >> I know it's a totally different 4454 03:02:18,790 --> 03:02:18,800 » I know it's a totally different 4455 03:02:18,800 --> 03:02:20,240 resolution, but 4456 03:02:20,240 --> 03:02:21,429 >> let's just get it on the floor and get 4457 03:02:21,429 --> 03:02:21,439 » let's just get it on the floor and get 4458 03:02:21,439 --> 03:02:22,960 it over with and we can move on to the 4459 03:02:22,960 --> 03:02:24,560 resol recommendation. So we have a mover 4460 03:02:24,560 --> 03:02:26,240 and a seconder. Further comments on 4461 03:02:26,240 --> 03:02:27,760 that? 4462 03:02:27,760 --> 03:02:29,760 Okay, seeing none, do you want to vote 4463 03:02:29,760 --> 03:02:32,160 on that amendment? All in for the All in 4464 03:02:32,160 --> 03:02:34,800 support of the amendment. 4465 03:02:34,800 --> 03:02:39,439 One, two, three, four. Okay. Opposed. 4466 03:02:39,439 --> 03:02:42,469 >> Mayor, I don't know what I am agreeing 4467 03:02:42,469 --> 03:02:42,479 » Mayor, I don't know what I am agreeing 4468 03:02:42,479 --> 03:02:43,760 to. 4469 03:02:43,760 --> 03:02:46,389 >> He put an amendment. He put a a a new 4470 03:02:46,389 --> 03:02:46,399 » He put an amendment. He put a a a new 4471 03:02:46,399 --> 03:02:48,800 motion on the floor to make an extension 4472 03:02:48,800 --> 03:02:53,520 and the to do the uh RFQ or the RFP 12 4473 03:02:53,520 --> 03:02:55,840 months later. So, if you're in support 4474 03:02:55,840 --> 03:02:58,399 of this recommendation, 4475 03:02:58,399 --> 03:03:00,000 the one on the table, he's amending it. 4476 03:03:00,000 --> 03:03:01,359 the one on the on the report he's 4477 03:03:01,359 --> 03:03:04,319 amended. 4478 03:03:04,319 --> 03:03:06,870 >> It's kind of difficult to since what 4479 03:03:06,870 --> 03:03:06,880 » It's kind of difficult to since what 4480 03:03:06,880 --> 03:03:09,200 what Vanessa mentioned just now that we 4481 03:03:09,200 --> 03:03:11,680 cannot do anything or say anything. Argo 4482 03:03:11,680 --> 03:03:15,439 cannot speak on anything. So I find it 4483 03:03:15,439 --> 03:03:16,960 very weird for me to I don't even know 4484 03:03:16,960 --> 03:03:18,240 what to agree on. 4485 03:03:18,240 --> 03:03:18,870 >> Okay. So 4486 03:03:18,870 --> 03:03:18,880 » Okay. So 4487 03:03:18,880 --> 03:03:19,990 >> I'm out of it. 4488 03:03:19,990 --> 03:03:20,000 » I'm out of it. 4489 03:03:20,000 --> 03:03:21,269 >> You're abstaining from the vote. Thank 4490 03:03:21,269 --> 03:03:21,279 » You're abstaining from the vote. Thank 4491 03:03:21,279 --> 03:03:21,760 you. 4492 03:03:21,760 --> 03:03:23,190 >> I don't know what this is. 4493 03:03:23,190 --> 03:03:23,200 » I don't know what this is. 4494 03:03:23,200 --> 03:03:27,990 >> Thank you. So that's defeated. 4495 03:03:28,000 --> 03:03:29,840 So the motion on the floor is and I'll 4496 03:03:29,840 --> 03:03:32,000 read it and it was moved by reccomation 4497 03:03:32,000 --> 03:03:35,200 of staff report DCAO 2025-8 titled 4498 03:03:35,200 --> 03:03:36,880 update on Bradford Glenbury demand 4499 03:03:36,880 --> 03:03:38,399 transit be received for information and 4500 03:03:38,399 --> 03:03:40,160 the council endorse the staff plan to 4501 03:03:40,160 --> 03:03:42,720 procure a long-term service provider for 4502 03:03:42,720 --> 03:03:45,520 its ondemand transit service moved by 4503 03:03:45,520 --> 03:03:47,120 and it was moved by council kite 4504 03:03:47,120 --> 03:03:49,920 seconded by deputy mayor that's on the 4505 03:03:49,920 --> 03:03:51,200 floor now all right 4506 03:03:51,200 --> 03:03:52,550 >> mayor I got a point of order 4507 03:03:52,550 --> 03:03:52,560 » mayor I got a point of order 4508 03:03:52,560 --> 03:03:53,349 >> point of order 4509 03:03:53,349 --> 03:03:53,359 » point of order 4510 03:03:53,359 --> 03:03:55,750 >> I'd like to recommend the deferral which 4511 03:03:55,750 --> 03:03:55,760 » I'd like to recommend the deferral which 4512 03:03:55,760 --> 03:03:59,200 superseds es the recommendation. 4513 03:03:59,200 --> 03:04:01,920 Okay. You have a deferral. Does it 4514 03:04:01,920 --> 03:04:03,120 supersede the recommendation? He's 4515 03:04:03,120 --> 03:04:06,800 asking for a deferral. Okay. 4516 03:04:06,800 --> 03:04:10,150 >> No, seriously. A deferral pushes it off 4517 03:04:10,150 --> 03:04:10,160 » No, seriously. A deferral pushes it off 4518 03:04:10,160 --> 03:04:11,920 indefinitely. A referral sends it back 4519 03:04:11,920 --> 03:04:13,600 to staff seeking more information to 4520 03:04:13,600 --> 03:04:23,429 come back at a specific time. 4521 03:04:23,439 --> 03:04:24,720 » Okay. So, what are we putting on the 4522 03:04:24,720 --> 03:04:27,040 floor? A deferral or referral? 4523 03:04:27,040 --> 03:04:28,309 >> Referral doesn't have the same 4524 03:04:28,309 --> 03:04:28,319 » Referral doesn't have the same 4525 03:04:28,319 --> 03:04:29,840 superseding as the deferral. 4526 03:04:29,840 --> 03:04:30,870 >> No, it's debatable. 4527 03:04:30,870 --> 03:04:30,880 » No, it's debatable. 4528 03:04:30,880 --> 03:04:32,790 >> It's debatable. 4529 03:04:32,790 --> 03:04:32,800 » It's debatable. 4530 03:04:32,800 --> 03:04:34,240 That's okay. You can put referral on. 4531 03:04:34,240 --> 03:04:34,800 Have you got 4532 03:04:34,800 --> 03:04:38,230 >> I'm okay with referral, too. But like as 4533 03:04:38,230 --> 03:04:38,240 » I'm okay with referral, too. But like as 4534 03:04:38,240 --> 03:04:39,760 long as we get the answers quickly 4535 03:04:39,760 --> 03:04:41,760 because I liked what councelor Vai was 4536 03:04:41,760 --> 03:04:43,680 talking about getting the decisions. If 4537 03:04:43,680 --> 03:04:46,399 we know that, then it basically it only 4538 03:04:46,399 --> 03:04:48,800 will jump the timelines only shortly 4539 03:04:48,800 --> 03:04:50,960 because I know the connections that the 4540 03:04:50,960 --> 03:04:52,800 deputy CEO has with Argo 4541 03:04:52,800 --> 03:04:54,710 >> will get us the answers we need. And I'm 4542 03:04:54,710 --> 03:04:54,720 » will get us the answers we need. And I'm 4543 03:04:54,720 --> 03:04:57,200 okay with that. And if we have that, you 4544 03:04:57,200 --> 03:04:59,520 know what? It's not like in saying I 4545 03:04:59,520 --> 03:05:01,120 just really would want the winter stuff, 4546 03:05:01,120 --> 03:05:03,040 but like we know we're probably going to 4547 03:05:03,040 --> 03:05:04,479 be going towards this, but we just want 4548 03:05:04,479 --> 03:05:06,319 to make sure that we do it right. 4549 03:05:06,319 --> 03:05:07,439 Referral would make that happen. 4550 03:05:07,439 --> 03:05:08,550 >> We have a referral. Do we have a 4551 03:05:08,550 --> 03:05:08,560 » We have a referral. Do we have a 4552 03:05:08,560 --> 03:05:11,279 seconder for that? Right there. Okay. 4553 03:05:11,279 --> 03:05:15,359 Now, we can debate that. We're good. 4554 03:05:15,359 --> 03:05:16,560 Councelor Scott, 4555 03:05:16,560 --> 03:05:18,630 >> I will support a referral if we specify 4556 03:05:18,630 --> 03:05:18,640 » I will support a referral if we specify 4557 03:05:18,640 --> 03:05:21,600 in the motion that it comes back 4558 03:05:21,600 --> 03:05:24,960 in September with the questions asked 4559 03:05:24,960 --> 03:05:28,309 tonight 4560 03:05:28,319 --> 03:05:29,920 contemplate or responded to in that 4561 03:05:29,920 --> 03:05:31,600 report. So, a referral motion, you can 4562 03:05:31,600 --> 03:05:33,200 specify the time you want it to come 4563 03:05:33,200 --> 03:05:34,800 back and the conditions under which you 4564 03:05:34,800 --> 03:05:36,560 want it to come back and hopefully the 4565 03:05:36,560 --> 03:05:38,720 mover and secondary agree with that 4566 03:05:38,720 --> 03:05:44,230 timing and that condition. 4567 03:05:44,240 --> 03:05:46,160 Mayor, I agree to those conditions. 4568 03:05:46,160 --> 03:05:47,840 Obviously, September is a good timeline. 4569 03:05:47,840 --> 03:05:50,160 I think u you know, Council K said that 4570 03:05:50,160 --> 03:05:51,840 well. September will give us those 4571 03:05:51,840 --> 03:05:53,600 answers and I think we'll have to make a 4572 03:05:53,600 --> 03:05:55,920 hard choice, but I believe it may be 4573 03:05:55,920 --> 03:05:57,200 give the opportunity to get that proof 4574 03:05:57,200 --> 03:05:58,880 that we were looking for as well. He 4575 03:05:58,880 --> 03:06:00,720 said he had it, so maybe I'll give time 4576 03:06:00,720 --> 03:06:02,399 to give us that as well and satisfy the 4577 03:06:02,399 --> 03:06:04,720 need of that information. 4578 03:06:04,720 --> 03:06:05,910 >> Okay, the referral has come back in 4579 03:06:05,910 --> 03:06:05,920 » Okay, the referral has come back in 4580 03:06:05,920 --> 03:06:07,439 September with some answers to those 4581 03:06:07,439 --> 03:06:09,680 questions. Deputy CEO, you go ahead 4582 03:06:09,680 --> 03:06:13,040 comment. A quick clarity 4583 03:06:13,040 --> 03:06:22,790 question is around winter operation. 4584 03:06:22,800 --> 03:06:24,560 » I'm going to go to the deputy uh mayor 4585 03:06:24,560 --> 03:06:26,080 and then to councelor Trano and that's 4586 03:06:26,080 --> 03:06:29,359 it. Vote. This doesn't seem like it's 4587 03:06:29,359 --> 03:06:32,080 clear enough. I hear questions around 4588 03:06:32,080 --> 03:06:34,080 winter maintenance. Then I hear 4589 03:06:34,080 --> 03:06:37,520 everything we've been discussing for 4590 03:06:37,520 --> 03:06:40,000 last hour and a half. what is that 4591 03:06:40,000 --> 03:06:42,479 everything that that's that's not clear 4592 03:06:42,479 --> 03:06:45,520 and if we don't provide clear direction 4593 03:06:45,520 --> 03:06:46,960 they can't give us the accurate 4594 03:06:46,960 --> 03:06:49,920 information. So let's be clear what 4595 03:06:49,920 --> 03:06:52,880 we're asking then if they can do it by 4596 03:06:52,880 --> 03:06:54,399 next September they can let us know 4597 03:06:54,399 --> 03:06:56,399 staff can let us know otherwise we're 4598 03:06:56,399 --> 03:07:00,950 just going in circles. 4599 03:07:00,960 --> 03:07:04,319 Okay Jordano 4600 03:07:04,319 --> 03:07:05,840 yeah that's what I was going to say. So 4601 03:07:05,840 --> 03:07:07,840 I it's not winter is only one of the ma 4602 03:07:07,840 --> 03:07:10,319 major things that we discussed today. So 4603 03:07:10,319 --> 03:07:12,160 um to your point deputy mayor I think 4604 03:07:12,160 --> 03:07:13,840 some of the other takeaways was number 4605 03:07:13,840 --> 03:07:15,439 one how can you maximize your 4606 03:07:15,439 --> 03:07:18,479 procurement with vendors that are just 4607 03:07:18,479 --> 03:07:20,640 um updating their systems now and 4608 03:07:20,640 --> 03:07:22,479 everything else. So obviously we wanted 4609 03:07:22,479 --> 03:07:24,479 to extend the timeline as much as 4610 03:07:24,479 --> 03:07:25,520 possible to give those other 4611 03:07:25,520 --> 03:07:27,600 opportunities to come on board. Number 4612 03:07:27,600 --> 03:07:31,040 two there was the ability of um the 4613 03:07:31,040 --> 03:07:32,880 guarantee that we were saying. So, how 4614 03:07:32,880 --> 03:07:34,720 does that 4615 03:07:34,720 --> 03:07:37,120 Yeah, funding is another one. And then 4616 03:07:37,120 --> 03:07:39,279 apparently we we have to put another bus 4617 03:07:39,279 --> 03:07:42,080 on the road or multiple buses. I want to 4618 03:07:42,080 --> 03:07:44,080 know what the cost is. And then there's 4619 03:07:44,080 --> 03:07:46,160 another discussion about a dollar a ride 4620 03:07:46,160 --> 03:07:48,960 versus $3 a ride versus whatever it is. 4621 03:07:48,960 --> 03:07:50,319 Well, what does that look like? Well, we 4622 03:07:50,319 --> 03:07:51,760 don't have any pricing modeling on what 4623 03:07:51,760 --> 03:07:53,439 does this look like on for us to roll 4624 03:07:53,439 --> 03:07:55,120 this this transit system out. Yeah, 4625 03:07:55,120 --> 03:07:56,160 there's talks about people want to give 4626 03:07:56,160 --> 03:07:57,840 away the transit for free. Well, what 4627 03:07:57,840 --> 03:07:59,439 does that cost taxpayers? I don't have 4628 03:07:59,439 --> 03:08:00,720 any of that information. And you guys 4629 03:08:00,720 --> 03:08:02,080 want to go into procurement and secure 4630 03:08:02,080 --> 03:08:04,160 something for the next 5 years based on 4631 03:08:04,160 --> 03:08:06,319 what? Like I I need to see financial 4632 03:08:06,319 --> 03:08:08,479 modeling too. Like we can't just make 4633 03:08:08,479 --> 03:08:10,560 these decisions and say yeah let's go to 4634 03:08:10,560 --> 03:08:12,319 go to market. Don't forget we still have 4635 03:08:12,319 --> 03:08:14,800 our buses on mothballs right now. So you 4636 03:08:14,800 --> 03:08:16,720 know we always have an option B or C in 4637 03:08:16,720 --> 03:08:18,160 the works and maybe we should have an 4638 03:08:18,160 --> 03:08:20,000 option B or C that comes to the table. 4639 03:08:20,000 --> 03:08:21,920 We don't have an if and what sit uh 4640 03:08:21,920 --> 03:08:24,160 solution right now and I get it but you 4641 03:08:24,160 --> 03:08:25,279 know maybe we should have a bit of a 4642 03:08:25,279 --> 03:08:26,880 wargaming situation where it comes to 4643 03:08:26,880 --> 03:08:28,240 like okay this is one option for on 4644 03:08:28,240 --> 03:08:29,520 demand or if we don't do a full on 4645 03:08:29,520 --> 03:08:31,279 demand system we have a a subsidized on 4646 03:08:31,279 --> 03:08:33,520 demand system or we have a we just have 4647 03:08:33,520 --> 03:08:35,439 one and done that's it. So those are 4648 03:08:35,439 --> 03:08:36,399 some of the things that were being 4649 03:08:36,399 --> 03:08:38,560 discussed today. Um, there's also a few 4650 03:08:38,560 --> 03:08:39,760 other things that I don't think we got 4651 03:08:39,760 --> 03:08:41,760 full answers on, like for example, are 4652 03:08:41,760 --> 03:08:44,000 these buses fully accessible, right? Or 4653 03:08:44,000 --> 03:08:45,279 have they meet all the accessibility 4654 03:08:45,279 --> 03:08:47,200 criteria that's required for a transit 4655 03:08:47,200 --> 03:08:48,560 system like they have in Toronto and 4656 03:08:48,560 --> 03:08:51,040 some of those other ones? Um, I've heard 4657 03:08:51,040 --> 03:08:53,040 some yes or we've made modifications in 4658 03:08:53,040 --> 03:08:54,240 the short term. Like I don't I didn't 4659 03:08:54,240 --> 03:08:55,439 get answers on that yet. So, that's 4660 03:08:55,439 --> 03:08:56,640 another answer that I would like to 4661 03:08:56,640 --> 03:09:00,160 have. And then the last one, um, hold 4662 03:09:00,160 --> 03:09:01,040 on. I'm just trying to scroll through 4663 03:09:01,040 --> 03:09:02,319 all these notes here. Oh yeah, the 4664 03:09:02,319 --> 03:09:03,840 Canadian manufacturing ability. Right. 4665 03:09:03,840 --> 03:09:05,279 When you say finished, I could slap a 4666 03:09:05,279 --> 03:09:07,359 sticker on, screw in a little uh digital 4667 03:09:07,359 --> 03:09:09,680 box and say it's assembled in Canada. I 4668 03:09:09,680 --> 03:09:11,120 want to know how much percentage of the 4669 03:09:11,120 --> 03:09:13,359 vehicle is manufactured in Canada in the 4670 03:09:13,359 --> 03:09:15,760 procurement process as well for 4671 03:09:15,760 --> 03:09:20,389 consideration. 4672 03:09:20,399 --> 03:09:22,240 Okay. Anybody else want anything else 4673 03:09:22,240 --> 03:09:24,800 about this in referral? Did we miss 4674 03:09:24,800 --> 03:09:27,910 anything? 4675 03:09:27,920 --> 03:09:32,560 Okay. So, it's a a referral. 4676 03:09:32,560 --> 03:09:34,240 Yeah. 4677 03:09:34,240 --> 03:09:37,040 Mr. Mayor, based upon those points 4678 03:09:37,040 --> 03:09:39,200 raised, if all of those are to be 4679 03:09:39,200 --> 03:09:40,720 addressed, 4680 03:09:40,720 --> 03:09:43,359 um that we will not be able to make 4681 03:09:43,359 --> 03:09:45,680 September. I'll tell you that. 4682 03:09:45,680 --> 03:09:47,030 >> No, I was pretty sure you weren't. 4683 03:09:47,030 --> 03:09:47,040 » No, I was pretty sure you weren't. 4684 03:09:47,040 --> 03:09:48,399 That's why I didn't I didn't think I had 4685 03:09:48,399 --> 03:09:50,880 to explain it. Okay, the referral's on 4686 03:09:50,880 --> 03:09:53,439 the table. So, all in favor of the 4687 03:09:53,439 --> 03:09:57,040 referral back to staff, all in favor of 4688 03:09:57,040 --> 03:09:59,920 the referral back to staff. 4689 03:09:59,920 --> 03:10:01,750 >> It Well, it's September. We we have 4690 03:10:01,750 --> 03:10:01,760 » It Well, it's September. We we have 4691 03:10:01,760 --> 03:10:03,760 September with all those September with 4692 03:10:03,760 --> 03:10:05,439 all those requests. That was what they 4693 03:10:05,439 --> 03:10:06,960 wanted. We're not waiting September with 4694 03:10:06,960 --> 03:10:08,960 all those issues. In favor of the 4695 03:10:08,960 --> 03:10:11,359 referral, 4696 03:10:11,359 --> 03:10:17,349 >> I vote yes or no. 4697 03:10:17,359 --> 03:10:21,920 » Okay. Two in favor. Those opposed 4698 03:10:21,920 --> 03:10:24,319 carried. Okay. Back to the 4699 03:10:24,319 --> 03:10:26,800 recommendation on the floor. We have a 4700 03:10:26,800 --> 03:10:29,040 mover to second. All in favor of the 4701 03:10:29,040 --> 03:10:31,600 recommendation. 4702 03:10:31,600 --> 03:10:34,880 One, two, three. Where are we? Four, 4703 03:10:34,880 --> 03:10:36,479 five. 4704 03:10:36,479 --> 03:10:38,960 Opposed. 4705 03:10:38,960 --> 03:10:45,349 1 2 3 4 carried. Thank you. 4706 03:10:45,359 --> 03:10:48,319 Okay, council. Uh, it's 10 after 10. 4707 03:10:48,319 --> 03:10:50,560 We're not going to get through this 4708 03:10:50,560 --> 03:10:53,439 agenda tonight, I don't think. If you 4709 03:10:53,439 --> 03:10:55,760 guys want to go past midnight, 4710 03:10:55,760 --> 03:10:57,750 >> can you can you jump to the bonhead one 4711 03:10:57,750 --> 03:10:57,760 » can you can you jump to the bonhead one 4712 03:10:57,760 --> 03:10:59,680 just because of the people the residents 4713 03:10:59,680 --> 03:11:01,279 who are here for that one? 4714 03:11:01,279 --> 03:11:03,269 >> That's at number four. 4715 03:11:03,269 --> 03:11:03,279 » That's at number four. 4716 03:11:03,279 --> 03:11:04,950 >> We can get there in a second if you 4717 03:11:04,950 --> 03:11:04,960 » We can get there in a second if you 4718 03:11:04,960 --> 03:11:06,800 want. I don't think this servicing 4719 03:11:06,800 --> 03:11:09,120 agreement is a big issue. 4720 03:11:09,120 --> 03:11:10,399 I was just going to say if you wanted a 4721 03:11:10,399 --> 03:11:14,230 break, bathroom break, 4722 03:11:14,240 --> 03:11:15,840 » so I'll go. We didn't readjust the 4723 03:11:15,840 --> 03:11:18,240 schedule. So, 4724 03:11:18,240 --> 03:11:20,870 >> okay. 93. Let's do 93. Request for 4725 03:11:20,870 --> 03:11:20,880 » okay. 93. Let's do 93. Request for 4726 03:11:20,880 --> 03:11:22,080 pre-ervice agreement. I've got a 4727 03:11:22,080 --> 03:11:24,399 recommendation that report NG2025-10 4728 03:11:24,399 --> 03:11:26,319 titled request for pre-ervice agreement 4729 03:11:26,319 --> 03:11:29,600 low parcel external sanitary sanitary be 4730 03:11:29,600 --> 03:11:31,439 received foration and the necessary by 4731 03:11:31,439 --> 03:11:32,720 representative council to authorize the 4732 03:11:32,720 --> 03:11:33,840 mayor and clerk to enter into a 4733 03:11:33,840 --> 03:11:35,840 pres-erviceing agreement mover and a 4734 03:11:35,840 --> 03:11:37,279 second or puts on the floor please moved 4735 03:11:37,279 --> 03:11:38,800 by deputy mayor seconded by councelor 4736 03:11:38,800 --> 03:11:40,720 Perageni questions and concerns with 4737 03:11:40,720 --> 03:11:43,920 this one it's a good one it's in our uh 4738 03:11:43,920 --> 03:11:46,160 southern quadrant it's hoping that we 4739 03:11:46,160 --> 03:11:47,439 get some servicing done then get the 4740 03:11:47,439 --> 03:11:49,520 rest of that uh uh servicing up through 4741 03:11:49,520 --> 03:11:51,279 our employment lands 4742 03:11:51,279 --> 03:11:53,040 Okay, no questions or concerns. All in 4743 03:11:53,040 --> 03:11:57,600 favor carried. Thank you. Okay. 9.4. 4744 03:11:57,600 --> 03:12:00,960 That's the uh Bonnet Heritage. 4745 03:12:00,960 --> 03:12:02,240 We will do that and then we'll take a 4746 03:12:02,240 --> 03:12:03,359 break after if that's okay with 4747 03:12:03,359 --> 03:12:05,439 everyone. Okay. Bonnet Heritage 4748 03:12:05,439 --> 03:12:07,359 Conservation District recommendation PLN 4749 03:12:07,359 --> 03:12:09,760 2025-37. I have a recommendation that 4750 03:12:09,760 --> 03:12:12,240 PLN 202537 4751 03:12:12,240 --> 03:12:13,840 be received and that accordance with 4752 03:12:13,840 --> 03:12:16,399 section 40 41 of the Ontario Heritage 4753 03:12:16,399 --> 03:12:19,439 Act, council designate by bylaw the area 4754 03:12:19,439 --> 03:12:22,319 shown in attachment 71 appended to 4755 03:12:22,319 --> 03:12:25,040 report PLN 2025-37 4756 03:12:25,040 --> 03:12:27,439 as the Bonhead heritage conservation 4757 03:12:27,439 --> 03:12:30,000 district and the council adopt the uh by 4758 03:12:30,000 --> 03:12:32,000 bylaw the Bonhead heritage conservation 4759 03:12:32,000 --> 03:12:34,800 district plan as as the district plan 4760 03:12:34,800 --> 03:12:36,319 for Bonhead heritage conservation 4761 03:12:36,319 --> 03:12:38,960 district in accordance with section 411 4762 03:12:38,960 --> 03:12:41,359 of the Ontario Heritage Act attached as 4763 03:12:41,359 --> 03:12:44,319 attachment 72 appended to report PLN 4764 03:12:44,319 --> 03:12:46,319 2025-37 4765 03:12:46,319 --> 03:12:48,160 and the council approve a heritage 4766 03:12:48,160 --> 03:12:50,960 permit process uh for parts four and 4767 03:12:50,960 --> 03:12:53,840 five designated uh properties in 4768 03:12:53,840 --> 03:12:56,319 Bradford Westbury with an effective date 4769 03:12:56,319 --> 03:12:59,600 of January 1st 2026 4770 03:12:59,600 --> 03:13:01,600 moved by councelor seconded by 4771 03:13:01,600 --> 03:13:09,030 councelor Scott. Question concerns 4772 03:13:09,040 --> 03:13:11,040 We got it. We okay with the secondary? 4773 03:13:11,040 --> 03:13:13,120 Okay. Question concerns with this. I'm 4774 03:13:13,120 --> 03:13:14,240 going to go to councelor Harper has his 4775 03:13:14,240 --> 03:13:17,359 hand up first and councelor Scott. 4776 03:13:17,359 --> 03:13:20,230 >> Thanks, mayor. I while I like the 4777 03:13:20,230 --> 03:13:20,240 » Thanks, mayor. I while I like the 4778 03:13:20,240 --> 03:13:22,560 proposal that marks a significant step 4779 03:13:22,560 --> 03:13:25,840 in uh formally recognizing protecting 4780 03:13:25,840 --> 03:13:29,120 the heritage fabric of Bond Head. Um, 4781 03:13:29,120 --> 03:13:31,920 I'd hope that the the HCD plan, if 4782 03:13:31,920 --> 03:13:34,239 passed, it comes with the right supports 4783 03:13:34,239 --> 03:13:38,080 in place for our residents. Um, being in 4784 03:13:38,080 --> 03:13:40,720 in an area that does have um some 4785 03:13:40,720 --> 03:13:43,120 heritage as well in W six, the downtown 4786 03:13:43,120 --> 03:13:45,840 core, I hope that it just balances a lot 4787 03:13:45,840 --> 03:13:47,439 of the goals of preservation with 4788 03:13:47,439 --> 03:13:49,439 homeowner rights, affordability, and 4789 03:13:49,439 --> 03:13:52,000 clarity of the implementation. My key 4790 03:13:52,000 --> 03:13:53,600 concerns are around the administrative 4791 03:13:53,600 --> 03:13:55,920 burden part of that or potential cost to 4792 03:13:55,920 --> 03:13:58,560 residents and then effect flexibility to 4793 03:13:58,560 --> 03:14:00,479 accommodate the evolving housing needs. 4794 03:14:00,479 --> 03:14:02,000 So 4795 03:14:02,000 --> 03:14:04,479 I don't know exactly what the plan sorry 4796 03:14:04,479 --> 03:14:06,160 I do know what the plan entails and but 4797 03:14:06,160 --> 03:14:07,600 I hope that it does have the right 4798 03:14:07,600 --> 03:14:09,600 supports in place for our residents. 4799 03:14:09,600 --> 03:14:12,239 That's my comments. 4800 03:14:12,239 --> 03:14:15,510 >> Thank you uh counc. 4801 03:14:15,510 --> 03:14:15,520 » Thank you uh counc. 4802 03:14:15,520 --> 03:14:17,520 Well, thank you to the consultant team, 4803 03:14:17,520 --> 03:14:20,000 town staff, especially uh Thomas Dystra 4804 03:14:20,000 --> 03:14:22,080 and the heritage advisory committee this 4805 03:14:22,080 --> 03:14:23,520 term, last term, and I think the term 4806 03:14:23,520 --> 03:14:24,960 before for their work on this 4807 03:14:24,960 --> 03:14:27,760 initiative. This is a long time coming. 4808 03:14:27,760 --> 03:14:29,520 It's the result of, I think, careful 4809 03:14:29,520 --> 03:14:31,840 planning, years of consultation, and a 4810 03:14:31,840 --> 03:14:33,439 lot of community engagement over those 4811 03:14:33,439 --> 03:14:35,680 years. It's going to preserve the 4812 03:14:35,680 --> 03:14:37,120 character and charm of the village of 4813 03:14:37,120 --> 03:14:39,439 Bond Head. Even as the village evolves, 4814 03:14:39,439 --> 03:14:41,680 it provides tools to guide change and to 4815 03:14:41,680 --> 03:14:43,200 ensure the story of this village 4816 03:14:43,200 --> 03:14:46,399 continues to be visible and valued. I 4817 03:14:46,399 --> 03:14:48,000 want to especially acknowledge the work 4818 03:14:48,000 --> 03:14:48,960 of the heritage committee under 4819 03:14:48,960 --> 03:14:50,720 councelor Bkite's chairmanship. I 4820 03:14:50,720 --> 03:14:53,520 believe we've done more this term than 4821 03:14:53,520 --> 03:14:55,600 practically ever before to protect 4822 03:14:55,600 --> 03:14:57,200 heritage buildings and recognize our 4823 03:14:57,200 --> 03:14:59,439 heritage. Uh to councelor Harper's 4824 03:14:59,439 --> 03:15:01,200 questions, there are some very 4825 03:15:01,200 --> 03:15:04,399 straightforward triaged processes in 4826 03:15:04,399 --> 03:15:06,640 this plan. there's the opportunity for 4827 03:15:06,640 --> 03:15:09,279 property tax abatement uh for designated 4828 03:15:09,279 --> 03:15:11,840 heritage properties and uh I think it 4829 03:15:11,840 --> 03:15:14,000 puts a very good package together to 4830 03:15:14,000 --> 03:15:15,760 preserve the the character of the 4831 03:15:15,760 --> 03:15:17,680 village and ultimately it's about more 4832 03:15:17,680 --> 03:15:18,720 than the buildings. It's about 4833 03:15:18,720 --> 03:15:20,800 storytelling across generations, our 4834 03:15:20,800 --> 03:15:23,120 identity and keeping a sense of place 4835 03:15:23,120 --> 03:15:25,439 even as we grow. So I'm I'm really happy 4836 03:15:25,439 --> 03:15:27,439 to see this hopefully coming to fruition 4837 03:15:27,439 --> 03:15:29,439 tonight. 4838 03:15:29,439 --> 03:15:31,429 >> Thank you. Further comments? Councelor 4839 03:15:31,429 --> 03:15:31,439 » Thank you. Further comments? Councelor 4840 03:15:31,439 --> 03:15:33,520 Ferdini next. 4841 03:15:33,520 --> 03:15:35,990 >> Thank you. Um, yeah, this started back 4842 03:15:35,990 --> 03:15:36,000 » Thank you. Um, yeah, this started back 4843 03:15:36,000 --> 03:15:38,640 in 2018, so it's been a long time coming 4844 03:15:38,640 --> 03:15:40,239 that we've had discussions with the 4845 03:15:40,239 --> 03:15:42,720 public and constantly going over 4846 03:15:42,720 --> 03:15:44,080 presentations through different 4847 03:15:44,080 --> 03:15:45,920 committees and such. So, it's great to 4848 03:15:45,920 --> 03:15:48,720 finally see this come to us in person. 4849 03:15:48,720 --> 03:15:50,640 Um, 4850 03:15:50,640 --> 03:15:54,160 Bond Head is a gem. Um, Miss Usher was 4851 03:15:54,160 --> 03:15:56,000 up here and she was talking about it. We 4852 03:15:56,000 --> 03:16:00,160 all we we know that there's such a um 4853 03:16:00,160 --> 03:16:02,239 such an untapped resource in that in 4854 03:16:02,239 --> 03:16:04,640 that hamlet and with the uh with the 4855 03:16:04,640 --> 03:16:07,760 heritage designation this this place 4856 03:16:07,760 --> 03:16:11,840 could be well sorry it is but I mean 4857 03:16:11,840 --> 03:16:14,640 uh be even more beautiful. Dr. Chambers 4858 03:16:14,640 --> 03:16:16,560 had already me always mentioned about 4859 03:16:16,560 --> 03:16:18,960 people coming to visit Bonhead always 4860 03:16:18,960 --> 03:16:20,560 talked about them coming to visit 4861 03:16:20,560 --> 03:16:23,279 Bonhead. And what this does is uh if we 4862 03:16:23,279 --> 03:16:26,160 keep that if we keep that feel and we 4863 03:16:26,160 --> 03:16:28,080 keep that aspect to what Bonhead 4864 03:16:28,080 --> 03:16:29,920 actually is, it's only just going to get 4865 03:16:29,920 --> 03:16:33,200 bigger and better. 4866 03:16:33,200 --> 03:16:35,590 >> Thank you. I've got Council Kite next. 4867 03:16:35,590 --> 03:16:35,600 » Thank you. I've got Council Kite next. 4868 03:16:35,600 --> 03:16:38,150 >> Yeah, I'd really like to thank all the 4869 03:16:38,150 --> 03:16:38,160 » Yeah, I'd really like to thank all the 4870 03:16:38,160 --> 03:16:40,560 work that the staff put in on this, 4871 03:16:40,560 --> 03:16:43,279 Thomas Daart, and uh everyone else and 4872 03:16:43,279 --> 03:16:45,760 even the previous planner that worked on 4873 03:16:45,760 --> 03:16:46,720 it. I can't quite 4874 03:16:46,720 --> 03:16:51,110 >> remember. 4875 03:16:51,120 --> 03:16:54,399 Yeah. So, um, yeah, it's been a it's 4876 03:16:54,399 --> 03:16:58,239 been a long time coming. I we we this 4877 03:16:58,239 --> 03:17:00,399 plan is on the light side, especially 4878 03:17:00,399 --> 03:17:02,800 for the supporting properties that 4879 03:17:02,800 --> 03:17:05,040 aren't historical. There's very little 4880 03:17:05,040 --> 03:17:09,520 that they have to do differently 4881 03:17:09,520 --> 03:17:11,279 except for that they can't just tear 4882 03:17:11,279 --> 03:17:12,960 their building down and put some art 4883 03:17:12,960 --> 03:17:15,840 deco, some thing that doesn't blend in 4884 03:17:15,840 --> 03:17:18,880 with the with the heritage district. And 4885 03:17:18,880 --> 03:17:22,000 it's also going to put some onus on new 4886 03:17:22,000 --> 03:17:24,640 development against those homes. They 4887 03:17:24,640 --> 03:17:26,640 can't go like five stories high. So, 4888 03:17:26,640 --> 03:17:28,160 it's going to offer a lot of protection 4889 03:17:28,160 --> 03:17:31,600 and not put a lot of onus on the 4890 03:17:31,600 --> 03:17:33,120 existing residents that are in the 4891 03:17:33,120 --> 03:17:35,520 district. So, it's it's I think it's a 4892 03:17:35,520 --> 03:17:38,479 win-win and uh yeah, I hope we approve 4893 03:17:38,479 --> 03:17:41,200 it tonight. 4894 03:17:41,200 --> 03:17:44,080 Further comments uh Deputy Mayor Sandu. 4895 03:17:44,080 --> 03:17:47,510 >> Thank you, Worship. Um I'm very happy to 4896 03:17:47,510 --> 03:17:47,520 » Thank you, Worship. Um I'm very happy to 4897 03:17:47,520 --> 03:17:50,160 support this. As others mentioned, this 4898 03:17:50,160 --> 03:17:53,200 has been long time coming. I remember it 4899 03:17:53,200 --> 03:17:55,040 was about 20 years ago, we were doing 4900 03:17:55,040 --> 03:17:56,880 fundraising for William Osler Hospital 4901 03:17:56,880 --> 03:17:59,920 in Bmpton. And some of the staff did not 4902 03:17:59,920 --> 03:18:03,439 even know where the home place was. And 4903 03:18:03,439 --> 03:18:06,399 when I told them um they said, "Oh, 4904 03:18:06,399 --> 03:18:08,479 we're going to take a drive up there and 4905 03:18:08,479 --> 03:18:10,880 see. This is a gym." You said it 4906 03:18:10,880 --> 03:18:13,840 rightfully. And Miss Usher, when you 4907 03:18:13,840 --> 03:18:15,920 mentioned the parade, I still remember 4908 03:18:15,920 --> 03:18:17,760 that. And I have those pictures here. 4909 03:18:17,760 --> 03:18:20,080 This is one of my best pictures, I 4910 03:18:20,080 --> 03:18:22,479 think, as a sheriff 4911 03:18:22,479 --> 03:18:27,120 when we dressed up uh as as time period 4912 03:18:27,120 --> 03:18:29,120 and and I still have pictures from that 4913 03:18:29,120 --> 03:18:31,920 parade and it was the best parade and 4914 03:18:31,920 --> 03:18:34,000 all the hard work that the committee did 4915 03:18:34,000 --> 03:18:36,560 and not to mention the the work about 4916 03:18:36,560 --> 03:18:40,720 this. Many residents contributed. Dr. 4917 03:18:40,720 --> 03:18:42,960 Chambers who's now with us, he was 4918 03:18:42,960 --> 03:18:46,000 spearheading it and some of our staff, 4919 03:18:46,000 --> 03:18:48,080 they they did an excellent job and I'm 4920 03:18:48,080 --> 03:18:49,920 very thankful and I'm hopeful that this 4921 03:18:49,920 --> 03:18:52,080 will get passed today and we get the 4922 03:18:52,080 --> 03:18:55,670 work beginning. 4923 03:18:55,680 --> 03:18:58,080 » Council, as everybody mentioned, a lot 4924 03:18:58,080 --> 03:19:00,880 of work, a lot of history, and and I'm 4925 03:19:00,880 --> 03:19:02,399 glad that this is going to come to 4926 03:19:02,399 --> 03:19:04,800 tuition and uh and uh there's a lot of 4927 03:19:04,800 --> 03:19:06,560 comp there's a lot of passion in the 4928 03:19:06,560 --> 03:19:09,520 community and and great history that you 4929 03:19:09,520 --> 03:19:11,120 know uh that's going to live on. You 4930 03:19:11,120 --> 03:19:13,200 know, we have new growth and but we have 4931 03:19:13,200 --> 03:19:15,040 to preserve what what what's already 4932 03:19:15,040 --> 03:19:17,279 there and uh and I think this is a good 4933 03:19:17,279 --> 03:19:19,520 a good plan. So, looking forward to the 4934 03:19:19,520 --> 03:19:23,269 vote. 4935 03:19:23,279 --> 03:19:24,399 Excellent. Further comments or 4936 03:19:24,399 --> 03:19:26,160 questions? Seeing none. All right. I'm 4937 03:19:26,160 --> 03:19:27,920 just com I'm going to comment. Linda, 4938 03:19:27,920 --> 03:19:29,040 thank you so much for coming up earlier 4939 03:19:29,040 --> 03:19:31,040 tonight. That was great to see. And the 4940 03:19:31,040 --> 03:19:32,720 chambers for being here today. Thank you 4941 03:19:32,720 --> 03:19:34,880 so much. It is a big moment. Uh this has 4942 03:19:34,880 --> 03:19:37,840 been gone ongoing since 2007 and we're 4943 03:19:37,840 --> 03:19:39,840 finally here. And uh you know, Mr. 4944 03:19:39,840 --> 03:19:41,279 Chambers, Dr. Chambers is not here with 4945 03:19:41,279 --> 03:19:43,600 us, but I think you'll be uh quite 4946 03:19:43,600 --> 03:19:45,040 excited tonight hopefully with the with 4947 03:19:45,040 --> 03:19:46,239 the vote going through because I think 4948 03:19:46,239 --> 03:19:49,120 it is a it is a positive step forward. 4949 03:19:49,120 --> 03:19:50,960 Uh you know, we'll hopefully see the 4950 03:19:50,960 --> 03:19:53,120 next uh let's say Unionville or 4951 03:19:53,120 --> 03:19:54,479 Kleinberg, something like that. I mean, 4952 03:19:54,479 --> 03:19:56,479 there is great potential and there's 4953 03:19:56,479 --> 03:19:59,200 some beautiful beautiful uh areas across 4954 03:19:59,200 --> 03:20:01,600 the province that has these, you know, 4955 03:20:01,600 --> 03:20:03,359 unique settings within their community. 4956 03:20:03,359 --> 03:20:04,880 So, uh look forward to seeing that 4957 03:20:04,880 --> 03:20:06,960 happen. Bonhead has a special place in 4958 03:20:06,960 --> 03:20:08,479 everybody's heart. So, uh, the history 4959 03:20:08,479 --> 03:20:10,960 there is fantastic. So, look forward to, 4960 03:20:10,960 --> 03:20:13,120 uh, having a positive vote here tonight. 4961 03:20:13,120 --> 03:20:14,319 All right. So, I'm actually going to 4962 03:20:14,319 --> 03:20:17,600 call the vote now. All in favor of the 4963 03:20:17,600 --> 03:20:19,920 of the recommendation. Two, three, four, 4964 03:20:19,920 --> 03:20:21,520 five. Unanimous. We'll call it 4965 03:20:21,520 --> 03:20:23,840 unanimous. We've got everybody in here. 4966 03:20:23,840 --> 03:20:26,880 Unanimously supported. 4967 03:20:26,880 --> 03:20:29,200 Excellent. 4968 03:20:29,200 --> 03:20:30,880 We had councelor Dhaney. She voted. Yes, 4969 03:20:30,880 --> 03:20:33,040 she was in favor. It was unanimous. We 4970 03:20:33,040 --> 03:20:34,640 had everybody unanimous. So, 4971 03:20:34,640 --> 03:20:36,870 >> yes, I was in favor. Thank you, Mayor. 4972 03:20:36,870 --> 03:20:36,880 » yes, I was in favor. Thank you, Mayor. 4973 03:20:36,880 --> 03:20:39,120 Yeah. Yeah. We had everybody there. So, 4974 03:20:39,120 --> 03:20:41,439 okay. So, council, do you want to take a 4975 03:20:41,439 --> 03:20:42,800 break? 4976 03:20:42,800 --> 03:20:45,590 >> Okay. So, uh can we pause for five? What 4977 03:20:45,590 --> 03:20:45,600 » Okay. So, uh can we pause for five? What 4978 03:20:45,600 --> 03:20:48,399 time is it? 10. So, be back at 10:25, 4979 03:20:48,399 --> 03:20:49,920 please. So, we can move on because we've 4980 03:20:49,920 --> 03:20:52,080 got till 11 before we have to uh do 4981 03:20:52,080 --> 03:28:23,429 another recommendation. 4982 03:28:23,439 --> 03:28:26,080 Okay, welcome back everyone. We're at 4983 03:28:26,080 --> 03:28:28,880 9.5 of the agenda. Side road tennis swar 4984 03:28:28,880 --> 03:28:31,680 street naming proposed uh consultation. 4985 03:28:31,680 --> 03:28:34,080 It's a recommendation that PLN2025-40 4986 03:28:34,080 --> 03:28:35,920 be received and that the consultation 4987 03:28:35,920 --> 03:28:38,160 plan proposed for the renaming of side 4988 03:28:38,160 --> 03:28:41,279 road 10 from line 6 to county road 89 as 4989 03:28:41,279 --> 03:28:43,760 outlined in report PLN2025-40 4990 03:28:43,760 --> 03:28:46,000 be endorsed with staff reporting back to 4991 03:28:46,000 --> 03:28:47,359 council on the results of the 4992 03:28:47,359 --> 03:28:49,600 consultation at the earliest opportunity 4993 03:28:49,600 --> 03:28:51,520 and the council endorsed staff plan to 4994 03:28:51,520 --> 03:28:54,319 begin the solicitation of road names uh 4995 03:28:54,319 --> 03:28:56,800 through public consultation as described 4996 03:28:56,800 --> 03:29:00,080 in report PLN2025-40 4997 03:29:00,080 --> 03:29:02,000 on the renaming of select 4998 03:29:02,000 --> 03:29:04,479 select roads in the area surrounding the 4999 03:29:04,479 --> 03:29:07,520 SWAR as described in report PLN225-40 5000 03:29:07,520 --> 03:29:09,439 with staff reporting back to council on 5001 03:29:09,439 --> 03:29:11,520 the results of the consultation at its 5002 03:29:11,520 --> 03:29:15,429 earliest opportunity. 5003 03:29:15,439 --> 03:29:17,600 Who's moving it? 5004 03:29:17,600 --> 03:29:19,279 Okay. Moved by councelor Scott, seconded 5005 03:29:19,279 --> 03:29:22,080 by Mayor Sandu. 5006 03:29:22,080 --> 03:29:24,960 Questions? Go ahead. Council. So my 5007 03:29:24,960 --> 03:29:27,840 question is 5008 03:29:27,840 --> 03:29:30,000 uh on the swar street naming proposed 5009 03:29:30,000 --> 03:29:32,000 consultation. totally agree with with 5010 03:29:32,000 --> 03:29:34,319 with that and that's the right process 5011 03:29:34,319 --> 03:29:37,920 to go for and council's not voted on 5012 03:29:37,920 --> 03:29:40,880 anything yet. But my concern is on side 5013 03:29:40,880 --> 03:29:44,080 road 10 council two years ago approved 5014 03:29:44,080 --> 03:29:47,359 the road renaming. So how can what what 5015 03:29:47,359 --> 03:29:48,960 kind of consultation process are we 5016 03:29:48,960 --> 03:29:50,319 doing? It's after the fact. It's like 5017 03:29:50,319 --> 03:29:52,399 we've approved a subdivision and it's 5018 03:29:52,399 --> 03:29:54,319 half built and we're going to have a 5019 03:29:54,319 --> 03:29:56,160 planning meeting for it. Like it doesn't 5020 03:29:56,160 --> 03:30:05,349 make any sense. It's backwards. 5021 03:30:05,359 --> 03:30:06,800 Does it work if we've already approved 5022 03:30:06,800 --> 03:30:09,120 it? 5023 03:30:09,120 --> 03:30:10,720 Okay, maybe I can have Allan ask that 5024 03:30:10,720 --> 03:30:12,239 question or Alan, can you answer that or 5025 03:30:12,239 --> 03:30:16,399 can Thomas? Who wants to take it first? 5026 03:30:16,399 --> 03:30:19,760 Not me. Not me. Not me. 5027 03:30:19,760 --> 03:30:21,190 >> Thank you, worship. Uh through you to 5028 03:30:21,190 --> 03:30:21,200 » Thank you, worship. Uh through you to 5029 03:30:21,200 --> 03:30:22,800 councelor Vik. And I think it's maybe a 5030 03:30:22,800 --> 03:30:25,439 tendency of um willing to let the other 5031 03:30:25,439 --> 03:30:29,120 go first and speak. Um 5032 03:30:29,120 --> 03:30:31,120 so further to uh the question that 5033 03:30:31,120 --> 03:30:34,560 councelor Vik has posed 5034 03:30:34,560 --> 03:30:37,439 um the contents of the report are meant 5035 03:30:37,439 --> 03:30:40,880 to try to strike a balance between two 5036 03:30:40,880 --> 03:30:43,040 directions that staff have received from 5037 03:30:43,040 --> 03:30:45,840 council. Uh on the one hand, as you've 5038 03:30:45,840 --> 03:30:48,479 indicated, council's given direction to 5039 03:30:48,479 --> 03:30:51,439 advance the renaming for side road 10 5040 03:30:51,439 --> 03:30:54,720 from line 6 through to County Road 89 uh 5041 03:30:54,720 --> 03:30:57,920 to Middleton. 5042 03:30:57,920 --> 03:31:01,190 My apologies. 5043 03:31:01,200 --> 03:31:03,680 I know the report also includes historic 5044 03:31:03,680 --> 03:31:05,840 evidence of Middleton and Middletown, so 5045 03:31:05,840 --> 03:31:08,160 my apologies to have uh used the wrong 5046 03:31:08,160 --> 03:31:12,479 one. Um and uh similarly there's also 5047 03:31:12,479 --> 03:31:14,960 the direction to uh in accordance with 5048 03:31:14,960 --> 03:31:17,680 the street renaming guideline uh to 5049 03:31:17,680 --> 03:31:20,239 consult with the public in the event of 5050 03:31:20,239 --> 03:31:24,239 renaming of a public street. Uh to date 5051 03:31:24,239 --> 03:31:27,279 um members of the public have not been 5052 03:31:27,279 --> 03:31:30,399 notified through the implementation of 5053 03:31:30,399 --> 03:31:32,560 the renaming guideline with regard to 5054 03:31:32,560 --> 03:31:35,600 the side 10 renaming direction. Uh and 5055 03:31:35,600 --> 03:31:38,160 therefore the balance the report seeks 5056 03:31:38,160 --> 03:31:42,080 to strike is uh to use a um essentially 5057 03:31:42,080 --> 03:31:44,640 a consultation light uh program as 5058 03:31:44,640 --> 03:31:47,120 proposed to to use that as the vehicle 5059 03:31:47,120 --> 03:31:49,439 to notify the public and uh and welcome 5060 03:31:49,439 --> 03:31:50,960 feedback which we would include as part 5061 03:31:50,960 --> 03:31:53,279 of a further report to council and that 5062 03:31:53,279 --> 03:31:55,680 said defer to Mr. Daart for any further 5063 03:31:55,680 --> 03:31:57,040 commentary. 5064 03:31:57,040 --> 03:31:58,960 I also would like to add that I think as 5065 03:31:58,960 --> 03:32:00,720 part of the consultation when we come 5066 03:32:00,720 --> 03:32:02,800 back to council with a recommendation to 5067 03:32:02,800 --> 03:32:05,520 rename Middletown Side Road, um council 5068 03:32:05,520 --> 03:32:07,920 has full accounting of the public's 5069 03:32:07,920 --> 03:32:10,560 thoughts, the financial implications, um 5070 03:32:10,560 --> 03:32:12,000 anything that we have to do at the 5071 03:32:12,000 --> 03:32:13,680 county level to rename the road that's 5072 03:32:13,680 --> 03:32:15,520 not under the jurisdiction of the town. 5073 03:32:15,520 --> 03:32:16,880 So, it would be just a full cost 5074 03:32:16,880 --> 03:32:18,640 accounting of what everyone thinks about 5075 03:32:18,640 --> 03:32:22,479 the about the proposal. 5076 03:32:22,479 --> 03:32:24,150 >> Does that help you uh council kite a 5077 03:32:24,150 --> 03:32:24,160 » Does that help you uh council kite a 5078 03:32:24,160 --> 03:32:26,080 little bit? 5079 03:32:26,080 --> 03:32:28,239 Yeah. Okay. I've got councelor Scott 5080 03:32:28,239 --> 03:32:29,600 next. 5081 03:32:29,600 --> 03:32:32,309 >> So, I just want to build on council me's 5082 03:32:32,309 --> 03:32:32,319 » So, I just want to build on council me's 5083 03:32:32,319 --> 03:32:33,680 question and those answers. The only 5084 03:32:33,680 --> 03:32:35,920 thing that I would add is council 5085 03:32:35,920 --> 03:32:38,399 approved renaming Middletown Road or 5086 03:32:38,399 --> 03:32:40,880 Middletown Side Road from 10 side road 5087 03:32:40,880 --> 03:32:43,520 two years ago. Nine months later, we 5088 03:32:43,520 --> 03:32:46,640 created a street renaming framework. I 5089 03:32:46,640 --> 03:32:49,920 have no problem with doing consultation 5090 03:32:49,920 --> 03:32:51,680 light, but the decision's already been 5091 03:32:51,680 --> 03:32:53,920 made. It's more I think about how it 5092 03:32:53,920 --> 03:32:56,479 would be implemented and what we can do 5093 03:32:56,479 --> 03:33:00,479 through the implementation. The policy 5094 03:33:00,479 --> 03:33:03,040 comes in after the decision was made and 5095 03:33:03,040 --> 03:33:06,239 so the decision was made without a 5096 03:33:06,239 --> 03:33:08,399 policy in place at the time. We can try 5097 03:33:08,399 --> 03:33:10,000 and reverse engineer it. I like the 5098 03:33:10,000 --> 03:33:11,680 phrase consultation light, but council 5099 03:33:11,680 --> 03:33:14,000 already made the decision. 5100 03:33:14,000 --> 03:33:16,239 That being said, more generally, I think 5101 03:33:16,239 --> 03:33:18,720 it's a simple and practical initiative 5102 03:33:18,720 --> 03:33:21,359 that honors our heritage and enhances 5103 03:33:21,359 --> 03:33:24,000 public safety because the report talks 5104 03:33:24,000 --> 03:33:25,600 about Middletown Side Road. It's 5105 03:33:25,600 --> 03:33:27,600 something that's colloquially known. 5106 03:33:27,600 --> 03:33:29,120 It's more than that. It's a name that's 5107 03:33:29,120 --> 03:33:31,279 been around for generations. It's on old 5108 03:33:31,279 --> 03:33:34,080 maps. It's still in common use. It's 5109 03:33:34,080 --> 03:33:37,760 actually on a series of the signs up on 5110 03:33:37,760 --> 03:33:40,399 the road today. It's on Google Maps 5111 03:33:40,399 --> 03:33:42,960 today. and it reflects the uh heritage 5112 03:33:42,960 --> 03:33:46,080 of Middletown or more rarely Middleton 5113 03:33:46,080 --> 03:33:49,520 uh which was a a crossroads community uh 5114 03:33:49,520 --> 03:33:52,080 at the at the beginning of Bradford Bond 5115 03:33:52,080 --> 03:33:54,239 Head and and the general area. So, this 5116 03:33:54,239 --> 03:33:55,840 isn't just about honoring the past. It's 5117 03:33:55,840 --> 03:33:57,520 also about reducing confusion, 5118 03:33:57,520 --> 03:34:00,239 especially with emergencies. Today, GPS, 5119 03:34:00,239 --> 03:34:02,640 I think, helps a fair bit, but I I've 5120 03:34:02,640 --> 03:34:05,520 heard stories of residents calling 911 5121 03:34:05,520 --> 03:34:07,359 saying, "I'm at such and such Middletown 5122 03:34:07,359 --> 03:34:10,080 Road." and the dispatcher not knowing 5123 03:34:10,080 --> 03:34:11,920 where Middletown Side Road is because 5124 03:34:11,920 --> 03:34:15,439 technically the name is 10 Side Road and 5125 03:34:15,439 --> 03:34:17,040 the CIO and I were talking about this. 5126 03:34:17,040 --> 03:34:18,800 No one calls it 10 Side Road. They might 5127 03:34:18,800 --> 03:34:20,560 call it Tent Side Road or Side Road 10 5128 03:34:20,560 --> 03:34:23,279 or Middletown Side Road, but fixing this 5129 03:34:23,279 --> 03:34:25,040 is a good idea so that the name actually 5130 03:34:25,040 --> 03:34:27,600 matches what people know it as. Uh like 5131 03:34:27,600 --> 03:34:28,880 I said, it's been endorsed by council 5132 03:34:28,880 --> 03:34:30,560 already in the heritage committee. So, 5133 03:34:30,560 --> 03:34:32,239 I'm all in favor of getting it done 5134 03:34:32,239 --> 03:34:34,399 consultation light. Talk to people so 5135 03:34:34,399 --> 03:34:37,840 they understand what's coming. um if we 5136 03:34:37,840 --> 03:34:42,160 have to do some modest um 5137 03:34:42,160 --> 03:34:44,399 support for the cost of changing an 5138 03:34:44,399 --> 03:34:47,359 address, we can look at that. But that I 5139 03:34:47,359 --> 03:34:49,600 I think modest being the key word 5140 03:34:49,600 --> 03:34:51,040 because we're not really changing a name 5141 03:34:51,040 --> 03:34:52,560 so much as we're standardizing the 5142 03:34:52,560 --> 03:34:55,600 common usage in what half our street or 5143 03:34:55,600 --> 03:34:57,279 some percentage of our street signs and 5144 03:34:57,279 --> 03:34:59,279 what Google Maps already says. As for 5145 03:34:59,279 --> 03:35:01,120 the SWAR, we've effectively thanks to 5146 03:35:01,120 --> 03:35:04,720 that traffic circle created new roads. 5147 03:35:04,720 --> 03:35:06,640 you know, line five east doesn't connect 5148 03:35:06,640 --> 03:35:09,760 to line five west anymore. So, I I I 5149 03:35:09,760 --> 03:35:12,080 think trying to sort that out is is not 5150 03:35:12,080 --> 03:35:14,000 only clarifying things, but it's also a 5151 03:35:14,000 --> 03:35:15,600 nice opportunity to find more ways to 5152 03:35:15,600 --> 03:35:17,760 honor our heritage. And one of those 5153 03:35:17,760 --> 03:35:20,479 streets uh is on the Highway 400 5154 03:35:20,479 --> 03:35:22,080 interchange now. So, it's a bit of a 5155 03:35:22,080 --> 03:35:24,160 entrance to town. So, all in all, I 5156 03:35:24,160 --> 03:35:26,479 think this is uh something that will 5157 03:35:26,479 --> 03:35:28,720 improve clarity on our past and help 5158 03:35:28,720 --> 03:35:30,640 keep us keep keep people safe. And I'm 5159 03:35:30,640 --> 03:35:32,479 I'm all in favor of moving full steam 5160 03:35:32,479 --> 03:35:36,469 ahead on both aspects. 5161 03:35:36,479 --> 03:35:40,080 Thank you. I've got Deputy Mayor. 5162 03:35:40,080 --> 03:35:42,309 >> Thank you, your worship. 5163 03:35:42,309 --> 03:35:42,319 » Thank you, your worship. 5164 03:35:42,319 --> 03:35:44,239 Not to repeat the comments that uh 5165 03:35:44,239 --> 03:35:47,040 already been mentioned by uh the two 5166 03:35:47,040 --> 03:35:50,720 counselors. Um last time we discussed 5167 03:35:50,720 --> 03:35:52,880 this was and approved by council was 5168 03:35:52,880 --> 03:35:55,120 August 1st, 2023. 5169 03:35:55,120 --> 03:35:57,359 I know other priorities take over, 5170 03:35:57,359 --> 03:35:59,359 staff's busy. It took us two years to 5171 03:35:59,359 --> 03:36:02,000 get to this point. In the recommendation 5172 03:36:02,000 --> 03:36:06,560 itself, it says earliest opportunity. 5173 03:36:06,560 --> 03:36:08,800 I fully know what that earliest 5174 03:36:08,800 --> 03:36:10,880 opportunity could be. Could be a month, 5175 03:36:10,880 --> 03:36:14,080 it could be 6 months, it could be a year 5176 03:36:14,080 --> 03:36:15,680 based on your workload, which I 5177 03:36:15,680 --> 03:36:19,840 recognize can change depending on um hot 5178 03:36:19,840 --> 03:36:23,359 issues and stuff. I would like to have 5179 03:36:23,359 --> 03:36:25,040 some sort of a date for this to come 5180 03:36:25,040 --> 03:36:26,880 back with public consultation whether 5181 03:36:26,880 --> 03:36:30,479 it's a month or two months um but not 5182 03:36:30,479 --> 03:36:33,840 this is not a um timeline to go into 5183 03:36:33,840 --> 03:36:40,870 next year. Those are my comments. 5184 03:36:40,880 --> 03:36:43,040 Okay, perfect. Uh further comments or 5185 03:36:43,040 --> 03:36:45,680 questions? Seeing none. Okay. I would 5186 03:36:45,680 --> 03:36:47,680 like uh folks, if you're okay with this, 5187 03:36:47,680 --> 03:36:51,439 I'd like to extend the SWAR renaming to 5188 03:36:51,439 --> 03:36:53,760 side road five. 5189 03:36:53,760 --> 03:36:56,479 It goes only to uh recognition goes only 5190 03:36:56,479 --> 03:36:59,200 to the um east side of the bridge. 5191 03:36:59,200 --> 03:37:00,950 >> I'd like to carry it right through to to 5192 03:37:00,950 --> 03:37:00,960 » I'd like to carry it right through to to 5193 03:37:00,960 --> 03:37:03,840 the fifth side road because well, I'll 5194 03:37:03,840 --> 03:37:05,200 get hang on. You got to wait for me to 5195 03:37:05,200 --> 03:37:08,319 say you can give me a chance. Uh I would 5196 03:37:08,319 --> 03:37:09,920 like to get to there because in the end 5197 03:37:09,920 --> 03:37:12,000 on the highway, you'll see one road 5198 03:37:12,000 --> 03:37:14,479 naming coming off. So otherwise you see 5199 03:37:14,479 --> 03:37:16,399 whatever you call it and then line five 5200 03:37:16,399 --> 03:37:18,640 also. So 5201 03:37:18,640 --> 03:37:21,670 >> side road. So so side road five the the 5202 03:37:21,670 --> 03:37:21,680 » side road. So so side road five the the 5203 03:37:21,680 --> 03:37:23,840 I would say the east side of it to back 5204 03:37:23,840 --> 03:37:25,359 all the way back. You know what I mean? 5205 03:37:25,359 --> 03:37:27,439 Side road five is the interchange. It's 5206 03:37:27,439 --> 03:37:29,680 the lights right there at side five and 5207 03:37:29,680 --> 03:37:33,439 line five. Five and line five. We only 5208 03:37:33,439 --> 03:37:34,800 go to the bridge. We go to the east side 5209 03:37:34,800 --> 03:37:36,239 of the bridge. And then you've got this 5210 03:37:36,239 --> 03:37:38,160 little piece of line five to the light 5211 03:37:38,160 --> 03:37:41,040 and then line five to 27. I'm saying 5212 03:37:41,040 --> 03:37:43,200 just a side road five. Make that 5213 03:37:43,200 --> 03:37:44,640 consistent. Then you got side then you 5214 03:37:44,640 --> 03:37:47,200 got line five from side road five to 27 5215 03:37:47,200 --> 03:37:49,439 to new tech. That's what I was uh 5216 03:37:49,439 --> 03:37:51,359 getting at. It makes it more easy and 5217 03:37:51,359 --> 03:37:52,640 consistent. Otherwise you just go name 5218 03:37:52,640 --> 03:37:54,560 change name change name change. So 5219 03:37:54,560 --> 03:37:58,720 council kite. So not that this is 5220 03:37:58,720 --> 03:38:02,160 relevant to this mo this recommendation 5221 03:38:02,160 --> 03:38:04,080 and that would be part of the 5222 03:38:04,080 --> 03:38:06,399 consultation process. The problem is 5223 03:38:06,399 --> 03:38:08,560 when people want to go to line five and 5224 03:38:08,560 --> 03:38:11,600 they want to go to line five and whether 5225 03:38:11,600 --> 03:38:15,439 it's in BWG or new tech, they're going 5226 03:38:15,439 --> 03:38:17,200 to be going down and where's the sign 5227 03:38:17,200 --> 03:38:19,840 for line five? They're going to get 5228 03:38:19,840 --> 03:38:21,359 anyways. We can talk about that when 5229 03:38:21,359 --> 03:38:24,479 we're in the consultation process. GPS 5230 03:38:24,479 --> 03:38:27,200 will help you with that or like some of 5231 03:38:27,200 --> 03:38:28,560 those funny videos your wife will tell 5232 03:38:28,560 --> 03:38:30,880 you where it is. 5233 03:38:30,880 --> 03:38:34,080 So now it'll be there. it'll uh I'm just 5234 03:38:34,080 --> 03:38:35,760 saying for consistency, but through the 5235 03:38:35,760 --> 03:38:37,520 consultation, I guess that could be, you 5236 03:38:37,520 --> 03:38:38,800 know, talked about. Maybe some people 5237 03:38:38,800 --> 03:38:40,640 say because if you come up the highway, 5238 03:38:40,640 --> 03:38:42,319 you'll see coming up 400, it'll be two 5239 03:38:42,319 --> 03:38:45,920 roads, right? So, just just that's what 5240 03:38:45,920 --> 03:38:47,920 I'd like to see it go to uh the side 5241 03:38:47,920 --> 03:38:50,960 road five. So, if that's something that 5242 03:38:50,960 --> 03:38:53,200 council could support, that's not in the 5243 03:38:53,200 --> 03:38:54,640 report, so I don't know how to put it in 5244 03:38:54,640 --> 03:38:56,640 there because it only goes to the east 5245 03:38:56,640 --> 03:39:01,439 side of the 400, correct? Report. So, is 5246 03:39:01,439 --> 03:39:02,880 that something council can support to 5247 03:39:02,880 --> 03:39:04,720 push further or you want to leave the 5248 03:39:04,720 --> 03:39:10,710 report the report as is? 5249 03:39:10,720 --> 03:39:12,080 Let's uh through consultation we can 5250 03:39:12,080 --> 03:39:13,439 find out if people are okay with it. All 5251 03:39:13,439 --> 03:39:17,439 right. Thank you. Okay. So, we're okay 5252 03:39:17,439 --> 03:39:20,319 with uh any more comments. Seeing none, 5253 03:39:20,319 --> 03:39:22,479 all in favor? 5254 03:39:22,479 --> 03:39:25,120 Three four. Yep. Carried. Thank you. On 5255 03:39:25,120 --> 03:39:28,080 to 9.6. recommendation file uh 5256 03:39:28,080 --> 03:39:30,880 recommendation that report PLN2025-36 5257 03:39:30,880 --> 03:39:33,040 title recommendation report file number 5258 03:39:33,040 --> 03:39:35,279 D14-25-5 5259 03:39:35,279 --> 03:39:40,239 and D12505 for blocks 102 plan 51M 1138 5260 03:39:40,239 --> 03:39:42,960 and part of lot 15 concession 5 be 5261 03:39:42,960 --> 03:39:44,880 received that all written submissions 5262 03:39:44,880 --> 03:39:46,560 received in regard to the applications 5263 03:39:46,560 --> 03:39:48,239 and all oral submissions made to the 5264 03:39:48,239 --> 03:39:50,080 public meeting held on June 10th related 5265 03:39:50,080 --> 03:39:52,160 to the applications have been taken into 5266 03:39:52,160 --> 03:39:53,200 consideration as part of the 5267 03:39:53,200 --> 03:39:55,359 deliberations and final discussions 5268 03:39:55,359 --> 03:39:57,600 finally decision. Sorry. that pursuant 5269 03:39:57,600 --> 03:40:00,160 to section 3417 planning act, no further 5270 03:40:00,160 --> 03:40:02,560 public notification is required, that 5271 03:40:02,560 --> 03:40:04,239 the sight specific zoning bylaw 5272 03:40:04,239 --> 03:40:06,560 amendment D14-25-05 5273 03:40:06,560 --> 03:40:09,200 be approved for lands known as block 102 5274 03:40:09,200 --> 03:40:12,960 plan 51m 1138 and part of lot 15 5275 03:40:12,960 --> 03:40:15,359 concession 5 and that the corresponding 5276 03:40:15,359 --> 03:40:17,920 bylaws be brought forward for enactment 5277 03:40:17,920 --> 03:40:19,439 and that draft plan of subdivision 5278 03:40:19,439 --> 03:40:21,760 D12-25-5 5279 03:40:21,760 --> 03:40:24,720 dated January 21st, 2025 be given draft 5280 03:40:24,720 --> 03:40:26,560 approval subject to conditions as 5281 03:40:26,560 --> 03:40:29,840 pendant to report PLN20-36 5282 03:40:29,840 --> 03:40:31,840 including that draft approval lapse 5283 03:40:31,840 --> 03:40:33,760 after three years if final approval is 5284 03:40:33,760 --> 03:40:36,160 not achieved within that period. Move 5285 03:40:36,160 --> 03:40:38,239 second please 5286 03:40:38,239 --> 03:40:39,600 by councelor Scott seconded by councelor 5287 03:40:39,600 --> 03:40:42,239 Dyiky. Question concerns we have our 5288 03:40:42,239 --> 03:40:45,279 planning staff up here with us. 5289 03:40:45,279 --> 03:40:48,710 Oh, 5290 03:40:48,720 --> 03:40:50,239 » thank you worship. Just for context as 5291 03:40:50,239 --> 03:40:51,600 well, I do believe we have a planning 5292 03:40:51,600 --> 03:40:53,439 consultant from KLM here on behalf of 5293 03:40:53,439 --> 03:40:54,800 Bay View Wellington and the event 5294 03:40:54,800 --> 03:40:57,439 council has questions. 5295 03:40:57,439 --> 03:40:58,870 >> I know we've got everybody here and it's 5296 03:40:58,870 --> 03:40:58,880 » I know we've got everybody here and it's 5297 03:40:58,880 --> 03:41:02,319 late at night. Okay, no questions or 5298 03:41:02,319 --> 03:41:04,000 concerns. So, 5299 03:41:04,000 --> 03:41:07,990 >> I will call the vote. All in favor? 5300 03:41:07,990 --> 03:41:08,000 » I will call the vote. All in favor? 5301 03:41:08,000 --> 03:41:14,630 Carrie. Thank you. Thank you very much. 5302 03:41:14,640 --> 03:41:17,040 We apologize for that. procurement 5303 03:41:17,040 --> 03:41:19,920 activities uh for 2025 first second 5304 03:41:19,920 --> 03:41:21,520 quarters. So I have a report 5305 03:41:21,520 --> 03:41:24,399 recommendation that report LEG 2024-6 5306 03:41:24,399 --> 03:41:26,960 entitled procurement activities 2025 5307 03:41:26,960 --> 03:41:28,560 first and second quarters be received 5308 03:41:28,560 --> 03:41:31,439 for information moving a second by 5309 03:41:31,439 --> 03:41:32,960 deputy mayor seconded by councelor 5310 03:41:32,960 --> 03:41:34,479 Perageni 5311 03:41:34,479 --> 03:41:39,269 question concerns with the report 5312 03:41:39,279 --> 03:41:42,239 okay seeing none all in favor 5313 03:41:42,239 --> 03:41:45,760 carried thank you uh we're on to 9.8 8 m 5314 03:41:45,760 --> 03:41:47,439 elections voting method. So 5315 03:41:47,439 --> 03:41:51,600 recommendation that report CLK-20225-5 5316 03:41:51,600 --> 03:41:54,479 titled 2026 mal election voting method 5317 03:41:54,479 --> 03:41:56,239 be received for information and the 5318 03:41:56,239 --> 03:41:58,160 council confirm the use of internet and 5319 03:41:58,160 --> 03:42:00,000 telephone voting as the voting method 5320 03:42:00,000 --> 03:42:02,960 for the 2026 mal election put on the 5321 03:42:02,960 --> 03:42:04,800 floor. Moved by council Gordano. Second 5322 03:42:04,800 --> 03:42:06,800 by councelor Peragini. Question or 5323 03:42:06,800 --> 03:42:09,040 concerns with this? Okay. I'm going to 5324 03:42:09,040 --> 03:42:10,880 go over this side first. Councelor 5325 03:42:10,880 --> 03:42:11,680 Jordano. 5326 03:42:11,680 --> 03:42:13,349 >> I'd like to move to defer this to next 5327 03:42:13,349 --> 03:42:13,359 » I'd like to move to defer this to next 5328 03:42:13,359 --> 03:42:15,680 council meeting. I think this might be a 5329 03:42:15,680 --> 03:42:18,080 long conversation. It's already getting 5330 03:42:18,080 --> 03:42:20,960 pretty late. 5331 03:42:20,960 --> 03:42:23,429 >> A deferral. Okay. You moved it. You're 5332 03:42:23,429 --> 03:42:23,439 » A deferral. Okay. You moved it. You're 5333 03:42:23,439 --> 03:42:25,040 deferring. You're going to deferral. 5334 03:42:25,040 --> 03:42:27,840 You're seconding that. No, no debate on 5335 03:42:27,840 --> 03:42:29,680 the deferral. So, you want to defer it. 5336 03:42:29,680 --> 03:42:31,920 That means it 5337 03:42:31,920 --> 03:42:33,680 so you have a you have a date that you 5338 03:42:33,680 --> 03:42:37,830 want it back next me 5339 03:42:37,840 --> 03:42:39,760 » next agenda. 5340 03:42:39,760 --> 03:42:44,229 >> Okay, let's uh no debate. So we'll vote 5341 03:42:44,229 --> 03:42:44,239 » Okay, let's uh no debate. So we'll vote 5342 03:42:44,239 --> 03:42:52,630 on the def on the deferral. 5343 03:42:52,640 --> 03:42:55,600 » I wasn't expecting this question. 5344 03:42:55,600 --> 03:42:59,600 Um yeah, we can postpone definitely. aka 5345 03:42:59,600 --> 03:43:03,120 deferral if you state another um meeting 5346 03:43:03,120 --> 03:43:04,319 that you want the report to come back 5347 03:43:04,319 --> 03:43:06,640 to. Sort of the same idea as 5348 03:43:06,640 --> 03:43:07,429 >> deferral. 5349 03:43:07,429 --> 03:43:07,439 » deferral. 5350 03:43:07,439 --> 03:43:08,630 >> So we're deferring it to the next 5351 03:43:08,630 --> 03:43:08,640 » So we're deferring it to the next 5352 03:43:08,640 --> 03:43:09,120 meeting 5353 03:43:09,120 --> 03:43:10,309 >> if that's what you choose. Yes. 5354 03:43:10,309 --> 03:43:10,319 » if that's what you choose. Yes. 5355 03:43:10,319 --> 03:43:11,349 >> Yes. 5356 03:43:11,349 --> 03:43:11,359 » Yes. 5357 03:43:11,359 --> 03:43:13,269 >> What I heard 5358 03:43:13,269 --> 03:43:13,279 » What I heard 5359 03:43:13,279 --> 03:43:14,550 >> because it's going to be a long debate. 5360 03:43:14,550 --> 03:43:14,560 » because it's going to be a long debate. 5361 03:43:14,560 --> 03:43:17,120 He said he doesn't 5362 03:43:17,120 --> 03:43:18,150 >> I don't think it's going to be a long 5363 03:43:18,150 --> 03:43:18,160 » I don't think it's going to be a long 5364 03:43:18,160 --> 03:43:19,760 debate but let's vote on the deferral 5365 03:43:19,760 --> 03:43:22,880 and if it defers it's okay. So all in 5366 03:43:22,880 --> 03:43:26,319 favor of deferral the next meeting 5367 03:43:26,319 --> 03:43:31,439 two. Okay. That's defeated. Uh, all all 5368 03:43:31,439 --> 03:43:32,960 oppose the deferral. I'm sure I'm sorry 5369 03:43:32,960 --> 03:43:34,800 I didn't call that yet. Opposed. Okay. 5370 03:43:34,800 --> 03:43:39,110 So, we're it's defeated. 5371 03:43:39,120 --> 03:43:40,880 » She's gone. She's gone right now. Okay. 5372 03:43:40,880 --> 03:43:43,279 So, uh, this is back on the table. So, 5373 03:43:43,279 --> 03:43:44,800 comments or questions in guard in 5374 03:43:44,800 --> 03:43:47,520 regards to the report? Council councelor 5375 03:43:47,520 --> 03:43:51,269 Rike. 5376 03:43:51,279 --> 03:43:55,120 I would always prefer a paper ballot. 5377 03:43:55,120 --> 03:43:59,199 Uh but this works well. It's been proven 5378 03:43:59,199 --> 03:44:03,840 uh the last bi-election and the um last 5379 03:44:03,840 --> 03:44:06,319 election. My only question is do we have 5380 03:44:06,319 --> 03:44:10,319 an idea or if we don't can we get get a 5381 03:44:10,319 --> 03:44:14,399 cost based on the 2014 numbers for the 5382 03:44:14,399 --> 03:44:17,120 cost of the election multiply it by the 5383 03:44:17,120 --> 03:44:20,479 increase in population and put in an 5384 03:44:20,479 --> 03:44:23,760 inflation factor just to show us how 5385 03:44:23,760 --> 03:44:26,880 much would cost to do a paper ballot. So 5386 03:44:26,880 --> 03:44:28,720 when the public asks us how come we're 5387 03:44:28,720 --> 03:44:30,479 not doing a paper ballot, we can say 5388 03:44:30,479 --> 03:44:34,800 well your taxes would go up point 1%. So 5389 03:44:34,800 --> 03:44:37,760 do you want to pay that money for a 5390 03:44:37,760 --> 03:44:42,550 paper ballot 5391 03:44:42,560 --> 03:44:44,399 through you uh your worship to councel 5392 03:44:44,399 --> 03:44:46,399 Um I don't have those numbers 5393 03:44:46,399 --> 03:44:48,479 right at my fingertips. Um I didn't get 5394 03:44:48,479 --> 03:44:50,960 a specific costing in today's numbers 5395 03:44:50,960 --> 03:44:53,199 for what tabulators um and all the 5396 03:44:53,199 --> 03:44:54,720 additional equipment for a paper ballot 5397 03:44:54,720 --> 03:44:57,040 election would cost. Um but certainly I 5398 03:44:57,040 --> 03:44:59,359 can provide those I can get some quotes 5399 03:44:59,359 --> 03:45:00,960 on those and provide those those numbers 5400 03:45:00,960 --> 03:45:02,880 to council or as you said extrapolate 5401 03:45:02,880 --> 03:45:05,199 from a previous election and provide 5402 03:45:05,199 --> 03:45:06,560 those. 5403 03:45:06,560 --> 03:45:08,150 >> Okay. Thank you. We'll get those numbers 5404 03:45:08,150 --> 03:45:08,160 » Okay. Thank you. We'll get those numbers 5405 03:45:08,160 --> 03:45:10,319 then. Okay. Further comments questions 5406 03:45:10,319 --> 03:45:12,080 counci. 5407 03:45:12,080 --> 03:45:14,560 I got councelor harper. 5408 03:45:14,560 --> 03:45:18,880 Um, I'm okay with uh sticking with the 5409 03:45:18,880 --> 03:45:20,640 voting method that we used in the last 5410 03:45:20,640 --> 03:45:22,399 election. I found that a lot of 5411 03:45:22,399 --> 03:45:23,920 residents were actually very thankful 5412 03:45:23,920 --> 03:45:25,520 for that. They didn't have to stand in 5413 03:45:25,520 --> 03:45:27,680 lines. They didn't have to wait. It was 5414 03:45:27,680 --> 03:45:29,359 very quick. They were amazed. They were 5415 03:45:29,359 --> 03:45:30,640 like, "Wow, I can't believe how fast 5416 03:45:30,640 --> 03:45:32,880 that was." It unfortunately didn't 5417 03:45:32,880 --> 03:45:34,560 really bring our voting numbers up, 5418 03:45:34,560 --> 03:45:37,199 which kind of sucked because I figured, 5419 03:45:37,199 --> 03:45:39,680 especially being at fingertips that 5420 03:45:39,680 --> 03:45:41,359 you're on all the time, it would have 5421 03:45:41,359 --> 03:45:43,680 been a lot easier to vote and get 5422 03:45:43,680 --> 03:45:46,399 everybody to do it that the vote the 5423 03:45:46,399 --> 03:45:49,359 vote turnout was still pretty much the 5424 03:45:49,359 --> 03:45:52,319 same as we went to the uh as it was when 5425 03:45:52,319 --> 03:45:53,840 we were doing the paper. I think it was 5426 03:45:53,840 --> 03:45:56,080 the 30s. It was in the 30s and I think 5427 03:45:56,080 --> 03:45:57,359 that's the same as what we were getting 5428 03:45:57,359 --> 03:46:00,880 with the papers, too. So, I like the 5429 03:46:00,880 --> 03:46:02,640 convenience of it. A lot of people told 5430 03:46:02,640 --> 03:46:05,040 me they like the convenience of it and 5431 03:46:05,040 --> 03:46:06,800 uh yeah, I would leave it the way it is 5432 03:46:06,800 --> 03:46:08,960 now. 5433 03:46:08,960 --> 03:46:10,150 >> Okay. Thank you for that. I've got 5434 03:46:10,150 --> 03:46:10,160 » Okay. Thank you for that. I've got 5435 03:46:10,160 --> 03:46:11,359 councelor Harper and then councelor 5436 03:46:11,359 --> 03:46:13,439 Dyke. 5437 03:46:13,439 --> 03:46:14,640 Councelor D next. Okay. 5438 03:46:14,640 --> 03:46:16,070 >> Thank you, Mayor. Uh let's talk about 5439 03:46:16,070 --> 03:46:16,080 » Thank you, Mayor. Uh let's talk about 5440 03:46:16,080 --> 03:46:19,199 some hard numbers here. 82% 5441 03:46:19,199 --> 03:46:21,680 82.5% of people use the internet for 5442 03:46:21,680 --> 03:46:27,439 voting. Um 6.6% was telephone. 10.9% use 5443 03:46:27,439 --> 03:46:30,640 the kiosk. It's a hard telling fact. Uh 5444 03:46:30,640 --> 03:46:32,479 numbers provided by the CEO. Thank you 5445 03:46:32,479 --> 03:46:34,239 very much for this information. 5446 03:46:34,239 --> 03:46:36,000 Concerning part of that is I'm I would 5447 03:46:36,000 --> 03:46:37,840 be okay with this, but I would like to 5448 03:46:37,840 --> 03:46:40,319 explore some more security measures in 5449 03:46:40,319 --> 03:46:43,199 regards to um 5450 03:46:43,199 --> 03:46:48,319 Oh, I had the word. Oh my god. 5451 03:46:48,319 --> 03:46:51,760 What's the kind of word when you like to 5452 03:46:51,760 --> 03:46:54,399 verify or Yeah, like some verification 5453 03:46:54,399 --> 03:46:55,760 sort of thing. 5454 03:46:55,760 --> 03:46:58,640 Um 5455 03:46:58,640 --> 03:47:00,560 no because when I look at the voter 5456 03:47:00,560 --> 03:47:03,439 turnout and I have it pretty broken down 5457 03:47:03,439 --> 03:47:05,680 um there was 73 people from United 5458 03:47:05,680 --> 03:47:08,560 States, six from India, two from France, 5459 03:47:08,560 --> 03:47:11,040 two from Japan, two from Portugal, two 5460 03:47:11,040 --> 03:47:14,080 from Israel, two from UK, the list goes 5461 03:47:14,080 --> 03:47:17,439 on. Then there's 623 5462 03:47:17,439 --> 03:47:19,199 that were not captured because it was 5463 03:47:19,199 --> 03:47:21,520 due to telephone but it doesn't tell us 5464 03:47:21,520 --> 03:47:24,080 where they were from, where they were. 5465 03:47:24,080 --> 03:47:25,680 So like when I say I need some more 5466 03:47:25,680 --> 03:47:27,359 security measures put in place for this 5467 03:47:27,359 --> 03:47:30,080 stuff, I think that would ratify a lot 5468 03:47:30,080 --> 03:47:31,279 of the points that are being brought 5469 03:47:31,279 --> 03:47:32,640 over when people talk about paper 5470 03:47:32,640 --> 03:47:34,720 ballots because you know who they are. 5471 03:47:34,720 --> 03:47:36,720 But verification stuff like you have to 5472 03:47:36,720 --> 03:47:38,640 do authenticator apps and stuff like 5473 03:47:38,640 --> 03:47:41,680 that for a lot of things or two or 5474 03:47:41,680 --> 03:47:44,880 twoouch uh verification um things are 5475 03:47:44,880 --> 03:47:46,399 going in because of fraud and all that 5476 03:47:46,399 --> 03:47:48,560 stuff. So, I like those that it explored 5477 03:47:48,560 --> 03:47:50,560 in regards to options to basically 5478 03:47:50,560 --> 03:47:54,319 ensure voter um 5479 03:47:54,319 --> 03:47:57,359 verification processes is in line with 5480 03:47:57,359 --> 03:47:59,760 like the most recent updates of the 5481 03:47:59,760 --> 03:48:02,239 updates of that as well. 5482 03:48:02,239 --> 03:48:05,279 I think I basically proved my point that 5483 03:48:05,279 --> 03:48:06,720 people from all over the world are 5484 03:48:06,720 --> 03:48:09,680 voting in a municipal election and then 5485 03:48:09,680 --> 03:48:11,760 623 from telephone. We don't know where 5486 03:48:11,760 --> 03:48:13,439 they came from. 5487 03:48:13,439 --> 03:48:15,840 So 5488 03:48:15,840 --> 03:48:17,269 >> and I get that. Yeah. From vacation and 5489 03:48:17,269 --> 03:48:17,279 » and I get that. Yeah. From vacation and 5490 03:48:17,279 --> 03:48:17,439 stuff. 5491 03:48:17,439 --> 03:48:19,429 >> Just to I can confirm your two your two 5492 03:48:19,429 --> 03:48:19,439 » Just to I can confirm your two your two 5493 03:48:19,439 --> 03:48:20,720 Japan. 5494 03:48:20,720 --> 03:48:21,269 >> Yeah. 5495 03:48:21,269 --> 03:48:21,279 » Yeah. 5496 03:48:21,279 --> 03:48:23,269 >> Yes. I know. They called me. 5497 03:48:23,269 --> 03:48:23,279 » Yes. I know. They called me. 5498 03:48:23,279 --> 03:48:23,590 >> Okay. 5499 03:48:23,590 --> 03:48:23,600 » Okay. 5500 03:48:23,600 --> 03:48:25,269 >> Two two people were in Japan. They 5501 03:48:25,269 --> 03:48:25,279 » Two two people were in Japan. They 5502 03:48:25,279 --> 03:48:27,279 called me that night. They voted that 5503 03:48:27,279 --> 03:48:28,399 you're seeing it around the world 5504 03:48:28,399 --> 03:48:29,760 because people are able to vote from 5505 03:48:29,760 --> 03:48:30,319 anywhere. 5506 03:48:30,319 --> 03:48:32,389 >> No, I get that. But I'm saying if we 5507 03:48:32,389 --> 03:48:32,399 » No, I get that. But I'm saying if we 5508 03:48:32,399 --> 03:48:34,640 still have some more authentication and 5509 03:48:34,640 --> 03:48:36,319 security measures upgraded, I would be 5510 03:48:36,319 --> 03:48:38,160 I'm okay with that. I'm really okay with 5511 03:48:38,160 --> 03:48:39,520 I just want to say that I can confir 5512 03:48:39,520 --> 03:48:41,429 >> No, I know some people that that that 5513 03:48:41,429 --> 03:48:41,439 » No, I know some people that that that 5514 03:48:41,439 --> 03:48:43,520 did vote across from other countries too 5515 03:48:43,520 --> 03:48:46,560 in this list, but my point being is that 5516 03:48:46,560 --> 03:48:49,760 we need those certific measures and 5517 03:48:49,760 --> 03:48:52,720 authentications to match the local times 5518 03:48:52,720 --> 03:48:54,720 and if the banks do it, all the apps are 5519 03:48:54,720 --> 03:48:56,319 doing it. Everything's asking you for 5520 03:48:56,319 --> 03:48:59,520 two interfacing like, you know, two push 5521 03:48:59,520 --> 03:49:02,479 uh notifications, stuff like that. Yeah, 5522 03:49:02,479 --> 03:49:04,000 that's where we should be going and I' 5523 03:49:04,000 --> 03:49:05,680 I'd like to see that come back after 5524 03:49:05,680 --> 03:49:08,080 this report to just upgrade with the 5525 03:49:08,080 --> 03:49:11,349 times. 5526 03:49:11,359 --> 03:49:13,040 Um, point point well taken. Thank you, 5527 03:49:13,040 --> 03:49:15,040 counselor. Um, that's something we can 5528 03:49:15,040 --> 03:49:17,840 certainly explore with the the vendor um 5529 03:49:17,840 --> 03:49:20,880 and see how that that works and what you 5530 03:49:20,880 --> 03:49:22,640 know I can also report back on on all 5531 03:49:22,640 --> 03:49:24,560 the security measures in place and 5532 03:49:24,560 --> 03:49:28,720 procedures for um the system itself. Um, 5533 03:49:28,720 --> 03:49:30,239 further reports will be coming to you as 5534 03:49:30,239 --> 03:49:31,520 we go through this process. You know, I 5535 03:49:31,520 --> 03:49:33,359 realize it's early now. It's uh I think 5536 03:49:33,359 --> 03:49:39,120 it's 447 days away. So 477, maybe 447. I 5537 03:49:39,120 --> 03:49:41,279 looked it up today, but um you know, 5538 03:49:41,279 --> 03:49:42,960 we're out a little bit, but it's still 5539 03:49:42,960 --> 03:49:44,960 coming close. So um certainly I'll be 5540 03:49:44,960 --> 03:49:47,120 providing more reports to council as as 5541 03:49:47,120 --> 03:49:49,680 more information um as we go through the 5542 03:49:49,680 --> 03:49:51,279 process and more things develop. But I 5543 03:49:51,279 --> 03:49:53,199 can certainly take that point away. as 5544 03:49:53,199 --> 03:49:55,760 far as people voting from, you know, you 5545 03:49:55,760 --> 03:49:57,359 see people from other countries voting. 5546 03:49:57,359 --> 03:49:59,920 It it is the method that's in place that 5547 03:49:59,920 --> 03:50:02,080 allows people to vote from anywhere 5548 03:50:02,080 --> 03:50:07,040 literally um you know, 24 hours 24/7 5549 03:50:07,040 --> 03:50:08,640 sort of thing from from any country. So, 5550 03:50:08,640 --> 03:50:09,760 they could be traveling, they could be 5551 03:50:09,760 --> 03:50:11,600 on vacation. It still allows them to 5552 03:50:11,600 --> 03:50:15,439 vote in our municipal election. 5553 03:50:15,439 --> 03:50:19,030 >> Okay, good point. Okay. Uh Councelor Di, 5554 03:50:19,030 --> 03:50:19,040 » Okay, good point. Okay. Uh Councelor Di, 5555 03:50:19,040 --> 03:50:22,640 I had the same uh same concerns. uh just 5556 03:50:22,640 --> 03:50:25,439 upgrade to security. Uh I like the fact 5557 03:50:25,439 --> 03:50:27,439 that we don't have I'm old fashioned 5558 03:50:27,439 --> 03:50:28,720 too. I'd like to I would have liked to 5559 03:50:28,720 --> 03:50:31,439 see the ballot, but on the other hand um 5560 03:50:31,439 --> 03:50:33,600 and I'm disappointed to see not as 5561 03:50:33,600 --> 03:50:35,680 people I was hoping to see more people 5562 03:50:35,680 --> 03:50:39,199 uh vote uh versus last time. But at the 5563 03:50:39,199 --> 03:50:42,399 end of the day um as we have it's an 5564 03:50:42,399 --> 03:50:46,720 internet phone and u you know maybe in 5565 03:50:46,720 --> 03:50:49,600 look at opportunities in in the seniors 5566 03:50:49,600 --> 03:50:52,479 um senior centers um maybe there's maybe 5567 03:50:52,479 --> 03:50:54,399 some ballots or whatever the case may be 5568 03:50:54,399 --> 03:50:56,239 but at the end of the day they would I I 5569 03:50:56,239 --> 03:50:58,080 had a few people after election come to 5570 03:50:58,080 --> 03:50:59,439 me and said to me they would have 5571 03:50:59,439 --> 03:51:01,600 preferred to see ballots too but that 5572 03:51:01,600 --> 03:51:04,479 was only a a few uh comments I got but 5573 03:51:04,479 --> 03:51:06,960 what I didn't like is where I have seen 5574 03:51:06,960 --> 03:51:08,640 candidates go to the 5575 03:51:08,640 --> 03:51:10,399 and then trying to convince the people 5576 03:51:10,399 --> 03:51:13,439 to to vote. They would go into the 5577 03:51:13,439 --> 03:51:15,920 person's house and say, you know, uh 5578 03:51:15,920 --> 03:51:18,000 here's a here's a card. Please vote for 5579 03:51:18,000 --> 03:51:19,680 me. And and they would force their way 5580 03:51:19,680 --> 03:51:21,840 almost convince their way in. And uh I 5581 03:51:21,840 --> 03:51:23,520 asked them to come forward to speak to 5582 03:51:23,520 --> 03:51:25,040 you, Tara. But at the end of the day, 5583 03:51:25,040 --> 03:51:26,960 this this could go on. I just hope that 5584 03:51:26,960 --> 03:51:29,279 we could come up with a better way of of 5585 03:51:29,279 --> 03:51:31,600 security. That's that's why I was hoping 5586 03:51:31,600 --> 03:51:35,040 to to air all these items out. 5587 03:51:35,040 --> 03:51:37,910 >> Thank you, Mr. Dano. 5588 03:51:37,910 --> 03:51:37,920 » Thank you, Mr. Dano. 5589 03:51:37,920 --> 03:51:40,160 Thank you, Kaisky. That was uh that was 5590 03:51:40,160 --> 03:51:41,680 exactly what I was going to start off my 5591 03:51:41,680 --> 03:51:45,199 conversation with. The problem is in and 5592 03:51:45,199 --> 03:51:46,399 I'm going to be the devil's advocate to 5593 03:51:46,399 --> 03:51:47,520 everyone here. Yeah, I like the 5594 03:51:47,520 --> 03:51:49,199 convenience factor, but what do we get 5595 03:51:49,199 --> 03:51:51,359 in return? We got no improvement really 5596 03:51:51,359 --> 03:51:53,359 when it came to our turnout, but what we 5597 03:51:53,359 --> 03:51:55,040 did do is we have the stronger ability 5598 03:51:55,040 --> 03:51:57,920 for people to force or intimidate people 5599 03:51:57,920 --> 03:52:00,080 to vote certain ways. I saw myself. I a 5600 03:52:00,080 --> 03:52:01,359 lot of people come forward saying that 5601 03:52:01,359 --> 03:52:02,560 people walk into a house and they're 5602 03:52:02,560 --> 03:52:04,160 like, "Oh, sign sign. You know, vote 5603 03:52:04,160 --> 03:52:05,439 here. Oh, let me help you." Oh, oh, 5604 03:52:05,439 --> 03:52:06,640 yeah, that's my name over there. the 5605 03:52:06,640 --> 03:52:07,600 next thing you know they're getting all 5606 03:52:07,600 --> 03:52:10,560 the votes. So I'm a traditionalist. I 5607 03:52:10,560 --> 03:52:12,080 like proper vote. It's the gold standard 5608 03:52:12,080 --> 03:52:14,080 for a reason because you have to show 5609 03:52:14,080 --> 03:52:16,080 up. You have to show proper ID. My 5610 03:52:16,080 --> 03:52:17,520 biggest concern is actually how do 5611 03:52:17,520 --> 03:52:19,520 people get their voter cards. I'm not a 5612 03:52:19,520 --> 03:52:21,359 big fan of just providing a phone bill 5613 03:52:21,359 --> 03:52:22,399 or something else. And I was like, "Oh 5614 03:52:22,399 --> 03:52:23,520 yeah, okay. Here you go. Go ahead and 5615 03:52:23,520 --> 03:52:25,439 vote." Right? No, you got to be able and 5616 03:52:25,439 --> 03:52:27,439 eligible to vote. And I think we need to 5617 03:52:27,439 --> 03:52:28,880 tighten that up, too, because I think 5618 03:52:28,880 --> 03:52:30,479 it's a little too loose right now. And 5619 03:52:30,479 --> 03:52:31,680 there's so many people taking advantage 5620 03:52:31,680 --> 03:52:33,600 of that. It's happening across Canada, 5621 03:52:33,600 --> 03:52:35,439 the US, and around the world. So, you 5622 03:52:35,439 --> 03:52:36,960 know, we we're only in control of our 5623 03:52:36,960 --> 03:52:38,560 little municipality. Let's make sure we 5624 03:52:38,560 --> 03:52:39,840 do it right in the gold standard. So, 5625 03:52:39,840 --> 03:52:41,760 I'm not in support of going this. And I 5626 03:52:41,760 --> 03:52:43,760 and I will I will I will say that the 5627 03:52:43,760 --> 03:52:45,600 convenience factor is fantastic. I think 5628 03:52:45,600 --> 03:52:47,680 it's great, but I'm not willing to give 5629 03:52:47,680 --> 03:52:50,800 up or erode our democracy when it comes 5630 03:52:50,800 --> 03:52:53,040 to proper vetting of how we do things. 5631 03:52:53,040 --> 03:52:54,319 And I don't like the intimidation 5632 03:52:54,319 --> 03:52:55,920 factor. Those are two things that 5633 03:52:55,920 --> 03:52:58,319 influence people and they feel pressure. 5634 03:52:58,319 --> 03:52:59,920 And I I didn't like it. I didn't like it 5635 03:52:59,920 --> 03:53:01,520 when I see it. I would never do that. 5636 03:53:01,520 --> 03:53:03,199 And and frankly, I think you having 5637 03:53:03,199 --> 03:53:04,479 somebody go and commit, that's that's 5638 03:53:04,479 --> 03:53:07,120 our given right. You know, people around 5639 03:53:07,120 --> 03:53:08,479 the world are coming to Canada because 5640 03:53:08,479 --> 03:53:10,239 they love they love our laws and and our 5641 03:53:10,239 --> 03:53:11,520 freedoms and everything else. And we're 5642 03:53:11,520 --> 03:53:12,960 trying to make it more convenient, which 5643 03:53:12,960 --> 03:53:14,640 is great. It's not yielding better 5644 03:53:14,640 --> 03:53:16,800 results, but all it's it's also creating 5645 03:53:16,800 --> 03:53:17,920 these other problems. So, I'd like to 5646 03:53:17,920 --> 03:53:18,880 get rid of that and go back to 5647 03:53:18,880 --> 03:53:22,000 traditional voting. 5648 03:53:22,000 --> 03:53:24,630 >> Okay. Thank you. I've got uh Councelor 5649 03:53:24,630 --> 03:53:24,640 » Okay. Thank you. I've got uh Councelor 5650 03:53:24,640 --> 03:53:26,319 Scott next. 5651 03:53:26,319 --> 03:53:27,910 >> So, just a couple of comments in 5652 03:53:27,910 --> 03:53:27,920 » So, just a couple of comments in 5653 03:53:27,920 --> 03:53:29,600 response to some of what's been raised. 5654 03:53:29,600 --> 03:53:30,880 I've had the benefit of running a 5655 03:53:30,880 --> 03:53:32,720 mayoral campaign under the paper ballot 5656 03:53:32,720 --> 03:53:35,600 system and then running in the two 5657 03:53:35,600 --> 03:53:37,520 online elections, the bi-election and 5658 03:53:37,520 --> 03:53:41,120 then the general election. The the paper 5659 03:53:41,120 --> 03:53:43,199 system had its benefits, the vote 5660 03:53:43,199 --> 03:53:46,239 everywhere, but we had to run multiple I 5661 03:53:46,239 --> 03:53:48,720 think it was seven polling stations that 5662 03:53:48,720 --> 03:53:50,560 had to be staffed and they were only 5663 03:53:50,560 --> 03:53:52,640 open on specific days. So you you had 5664 03:53:52,640 --> 03:53:54,000 the two or three days of advanced polls 5665 03:53:54,000 --> 03:53:56,239 and then e day. I like the online voting 5666 03:53:56,239 --> 03:53:58,160 because it essentially has 10 days of an 5667 03:53:58,160 --> 03:54:00,720 election. It's true that voter turnout 5668 03:54:00,720 --> 03:54:04,000 didn't go up, but the collar to that is 5669 03:54:04,000 --> 03:54:06,080 it didn't go down. In fact, my 5670 03:54:06,080 --> 03:54:08,160 bi-election had seven more votes than 5671 03:54:08,160 --> 03:54:11,199 the general the year prior. And perhaps 5672 03:54:11,199 --> 03:54:12,880 that's because it was a a competitive 5673 03:54:12,880 --> 03:54:15,520 seven person race. Perhaps it's because 5674 03:54:15,520 --> 03:54:17,680 we made it easier for people. And unlike 5675 03:54:17,680 --> 03:54:19,600 other municipalities, we didn't see a 5676 03:54:19,600 --> 03:54:22,399 drop. So hard to prove the negative, but 5677 03:54:22,399 --> 03:54:24,800 I I think the fact that it's maintained 5678 03:54:24,800 --> 03:54:26,800 and I would say with without really a 5679 03:54:26,800 --> 03:54:28,560 competitive uh race at the top of the 5680 03:54:28,560 --> 03:54:30,800 ticket last election, the fact that it 5681 03:54:30,800 --> 03:54:34,000 stayed where it was, that was uh that 5682 03:54:34,000 --> 03:54:36,080 was pretty helpful. So uh I think it 5683 03:54:36,080 --> 03:54:38,800 works as to the concern about 5684 03:54:38,800 --> 03:54:40,399 uh 5685 03:54:40,399 --> 03:54:43,040 vote or manipulating the will of the 5686 03:54:43,040 --> 03:54:45,279 elector. The the Municipal Elections Act 5687 03:54:45,279 --> 03:54:47,920 is clear what you can or cannot do uh to 5688 03:54:47,920 --> 03:54:49,840 assist someone in voting. And that's 5689 03:54:49,840 --> 03:54:55,279 true in person or online. Uh and uh 5690 03:54:55,279 --> 03:54:56,880 certainly anyone who tried that I like 5691 03:54:56,880 --> 03:54:58,479 to think isn't sitting at this table. So 5692 03:54:58,479 --> 03:55:02,950 it also didn't work. 5693 03:55:02,960 --> 03:55:05,120 Okay. 5694 03:55:05,120 --> 03:55:08,560 Councelor Harper again. Thanks Mayor. I 5695 03:55:08,560 --> 03:55:10,800 have a with me R. I have an hourly 5696 03:55:10,800 --> 03:55:14,399 voting uh heat map here of the 10 days 5697 03:55:14,399 --> 03:55:16,160 and a lot of the voting really either 5698 03:55:16,160 --> 03:55:18,640 happened on the first day or within the 5699 03:55:18,640 --> 03:55:22,080 final day. 5700 03:55:22,080 --> 03:55:34,790 Does it have to be 10 days? 5701 03:55:34,800 --> 03:55:36,399 » Through your worship to uh council 5702 03:55:36,399 --> 03:55:38,239 Harper. No, the voting period does not 5703 03:55:38,239 --> 03:55:41,840 have to be 10 days. Um it's just just 5704 03:55:41,840 --> 03:55:43,680 allows that opportunity for people to 5705 03:55:43,680 --> 03:55:45,359 have 5706 03:55:45,359 --> 03:55:48,080 time even though you generally speaking. 5707 03:55:48,080 --> 03:55:50,000 Um in any election people will show up 5708 03:55:50,000 --> 03:55:52,319 when it first opens even with paper 5709 03:55:52,319 --> 03:55:54,399 ballots at voting locations and then 5710 03:55:54,399 --> 03:55:56,239 we'll wait till the very last minute to 5711 03:55:56,239 --> 03:56:00,800 to vote as well. So, um, but allowing 5712 03:56:00,800 --> 03:56:03,359 allowing that sort of time frame just 5713 03:56:03,359 --> 03:56:06,479 does increase the convenience time. Um, 5714 03:56:06,479 --> 03:56:08,560 the opportunity for people to cast their 5715 03:56:08,560 --> 03:56:10,560 votes. Um, it just allows that extra 5716 03:56:10,560 --> 03:56:12,000 time. Well, we have our voter help 5717 03:56:12,000 --> 03:56:13,840 centers in operation during that time. 5718 03:56:13,840 --> 03:56:15,680 So, we've got, you know, hours in the 5719 03:56:15,680 --> 03:56:18,479 evening, weekend days, um, variety of 5720 03:56:18,479 --> 03:56:19,920 hours for people to come in and get that 5721 03:56:19,920 --> 03:56:22,479 assistance if they need it. Um, so we do 5722 03:56:22,479 --> 03:56:25,359 like to to keep that. Um the vendors I 5723 03:56:25,359 --> 03:56:28,640 think generally recommend a 12 to 14 day 5724 03:56:28,640 --> 03:56:31,040 um voting period with internet and phone 5725 03:56:31,040 --> 03:56:34,239 voting. So um it does seem like a a long 5726 03:56:34,239 --> 03:56:37,760 time but it's also um 5727 03:56:37,760 --> 03:56:39,199 you know just that opportunity for 5728 03:56:39,199 --> 03:56:44,950 people to to cast their ballots. 5729 03:56:44,960 --> 03:56:47,760 » So what would the process look like for 5730 03:56:47,760 --> 03:56:50,640 us to either shorten that or extend 5731 03:56:50,640 --> 03:56:52,160 that? Do we have to go through this 5732 03:56:52,160 --> 03:56:53,600 vendor or can we make that 5733 03:56:53,600 --> 03:56:55,279 recommendation? 5734 03:56:55,279 --> 03:56:56,560 Because certainly when you're looking at 5735 03:56:56,560 --> 03:56:58,640 this data that I bought out in like 5736 03:56:58,640 --> 03:57:00,800 beautiful colors and everything down to 5737 03:57:00,800 --> 03:57:04,000 the minute or the hour, 5738 03:57:04,000 --> 03:57:06,239 you can clearly see that there's some 5739 03:57:06,239 --> 03:57:08,479 room for adaptation here. And if we run 5740 03:57:08,479 --> 03:57:11,120 it two cycles already and we don't 5741 03:57:11,120 --> 03:57:13,120 change it based on the projections, then 5742 03:57:13,120 --> 03:57:15,279 maybe we could and make it more 5743 03:57:15,279 --> 03:57:18,319 streamlined and efficient. 5744 03:57:18,319 --> 03:57:20,070 >> Again, a point well well taken. That's 5745 03:57:20,070 --> 03:57:20,080 » Again, a point well well taken. That's 5746 03:57:20,080 --> 03:57:21,680 something we can we can look at a little 5747 03:57:21,680 --> 03:57:23,680 more closely. Um it would be up to the 5748 03:57:23,680 --> 03:57:25,680 election administrators to determine, 5749 03:57:25,680 --> 03:57:28,080 you know, those those time frames and 5750 03:57:28,080 --> 03:57:30,239 that that voting that voting period per 5751 03:57:30,239 --> 03:57:31,600 se and when we have the voter help 5752 03:57:31,600 --> 03:57:33,120 center. So looking at previous 5753 03:57:33,120 --> 03:57:34,560 statistics will help us determine that 5754 03:57:34,560 --> 03:57:36,640 and and we will take that into account 5755 03:57:36,640 --> 03:57:40,479 for sure in planning. 5756 03:57:40,479 --> 03:57:43,279 got uh depor sand. I've got uh councelor 5757 03:57:43,279 --> 03:57:46,160 and councelor Scott. We're at 1056. 5758 03:57:46,160 --> 03:57:48,399 So um if we can get that done in four 5759 03:57:48,399 --> 03:57:50,800 minutes, otherwise we have to do a 5760 03:57:50,800 --> 03:57:54,880 procedural bylaw procedural uh 5761 03:57:54,880 --> 03:57:58,469 >> Okay, I'll I'll be quick. Um I agree 5762 03:57:58,469 --> 03:57:58,479 » Okay, I'll I'll be quick. Um I agree 5763 03:57:58,479 --> 03:58:01,199 with this report. I I'm in favor of the 5764 03:58:01,199 --> 03:58:03,760 method we used last election. I don't 5765 03:58:03,760 --> 03:58:06,080 understand what the fear is of having 14 5766 03:58:06,080 --> 03:58:09,680 days. Uh it's just um look at the 5767 03:58:09,680 --> 03:58:12,319 numbers uh on those days. If we took 5768 03:58:12,319 --> 03:58:14,479 those out, those people might not vote 5769 03:58:14,479 --> 03:58:16,800 the other days. So I don't have an issue 5770 03:58:16,800 --> 03:58:19,359 sticking with what's proposed to us. 5771 03:58:19,359 --> 03:58:21,359 Hey, it's giving more days and 5772 03:58:21,359 --> 03:58:24,080 opportunities for for democratic process 5773 03:58:24,080 --> 03:58:26,640 to work. People come out and vote. So I 5774 03:58:26,640 --> 03:58:27,920 don't have an issue with this report. 5775 03:58:27,920 --> 03:58:31,830 Thank you. 5776 03:58:31,840 --> 03:58:35,199 » Okay. Thank you. Uh go ahead, Coun. just 5777 03:58:35,199 --> 03:58:37,680 are are we not trying to be consistent 5778 03:58:37,680 --> 03:58:40,880 too with New Tech, Inisville, ESSA, and 5779 03:58:40,880 --> 03:58:42,800 Agela? Like it's all pretty well the 5780 03:58:42,800 --> 03:58:44,880 same time frame and they're doing we're 5781 03:58:44,880 --> 03:58:49,349 doing joint advertising. 5782 03:58:49,359 --> 03:58:51,359 » Yeah, with respect to the joint 5783 03:58:51,359 --> 03:58:52,800 advertising council for kite that's 5784 03:58:52,800 --> 03:58:54,800 generally um promoting that the 5785 03:58:54,800 --> 03:58:56,800 municipal election is happening. Um it 5786 03:58:56,800 --> 03:58:58,239 doesn't because we are doing SEO 5787 03:58:58,239 --> 03:59:00,080 countywide 5788 03:59:00,080 --> 03:59:03,199 um with respect to those specific ads. 5789 03:59:03,199 --> 03:59:05,359 Um we don't get into sort of the details 5790 03:59:05,359 --> 03:59:08,319 of each municipality's um separate 5791 03:59:08,319 --> 03:59:10,000 election details, but we do encourage 5792 03:59:10,000 --> 03:59:11,680 people the mil municipal election is 5793 03:59:11,680 --> 03:59:13,600 happening and um give them enough 5794 03:59:13,600 --> 03:59:14,800 information that they know to go to 5795 03:59:14,800 --> 03:59:16,560 their local municipalities to check the 5796 03:59:16,560 --> 03:59:22,469 information to to be able to vote. 5797 03:59:22,479 --> 03:59:24,479 » Okay. I I should do this first before we 5798 03:59:24,479 --> 03:59:26,560 go any further. Okay. So we don't So 5799 03:59:26,560 --> 03:59:28,080 council I got to put on the floor that 5800 03:59:28,080 --> 03:59:29,520 council move to extend the meeting 5801 03:59:29,520 --> 03:59:31,680 beyond 11 p.m. until such time as all 5802 03:59:31,680 --> 03:59:33,439 remaining items on the agenda are are 5803 03:59:33,439 --> 03:59:35,520 addressed. So are we good with that? I 5804 03:59:35,520 --> 03:59:36,479 need a move or a second move by 5805 03:59:36,479 --> 03:59:38,319 councelor K. Second by councelor Scott. 5806 03:59:38,319 --> 03:59:40,720 All in favor 5807 03:59:40,720 --> 03:59:43,120 carried. Okay. 5808 03:59:43,120 --> 03:59:45,520 All right. Councelor Scott. 5809 03:59:45,520 --> 03:59:46,870 >> Yeah. Just very briefly to councelor 5810 03:59:46,870 --> 03:59:46,880 » Yeah. Just very briefly to councelor 5811 03:59:46,880 --> 03:59:48,960 Harper's question about 10 days being 5812 03:59:48,960 --> 03:59:51,359 too long. It's a third of what you have 5813 03:59:51,359 --> 03:59:52,720 fedally and proincially where the 5814 03:59:52,720 --> 03:59:54,479 returning office is open every day of 5815 03:59:54,479 --> 03:59:58,469 the right for you to go vote. 5816 03:59:58,479 --> 04:00:02,319 » Okay. Further uh comments or questions? 5817 04:00:02,319 --> 04:00:04,319 Okay. Seeing none, we will call for the 5818 04:00:04,319 --> 04:00:07,199 vote on the recommendation. So all in 5819 04:00:07,199 --> 04:00:10,960 favor the recommendation 5820 04:00:10,960 --> 04:00:11,840 one, two, three. I'd like 5821 04:00:11,840 --> 04:00:13,590 >> to call a quarter vote on this. 5822 04:00:13,590 --> 04:00:13,600 » to call a quarter vote on this. 5823 04:00:13,600 --> 04:00:43,030 >> Okay. 5824 04:00:43,040 --> 04:00:46,640 Okay. So, in 5825 04:00:46,640 --> 04:00:50,399 favor of moving forward 5826 04:00:50,399 --> 04:00:53,439 with the voting methods for the 2026 5827 04:00:53,439 --> 04:00:56,239 municipal election. 5828 04:00:56,239 --> 04:00:59,510 Um, 5829 04:00:59,520 --> 04:01:01,600 we'll start with councelor Gerardano. 5830 04:01:01,600 --> 04:01:03,920 Please say yes in favor or no in 5831 04:01:03,920 --> 04:01:05,520 opposition. 5832 04:01:05,520 --> 04:01:10,150 >> No. Councelor 5833 04:01:10,160 --> 04:01:13,359 Peter Dy. 5834 04:01:13,359 --> 04:01:15,189 >> Councelor Perigini. 5835 04:01:15,189 --> 04:01:15,199 » Councelor Perigini. 5836 04:01:15,199 --> 04:01:17,189 >> No. 5837 04:01:17,189 --> 04:01:17,199 » No. 5838 04:01:17,199 --> 04:01:19,990 >> Councelor Harper. 5839 04:01:19,990 --> 04:01:20,000 » Councelor Harper. 5840 04:01:20,000 --> 04:01:22,070 >> Yes. 5841 04:01:22,070 --> 04:01:22,080 » Yes. 5842 04:01:22,080 --> 04:01:24,950 >> Councelor Scott. 5843 04:01:24,950 --> 04:01:24,960 » Councelor Scott. 5844 04:01:24,960 --> 04:01:26,389 >> Councelor Verkike. 5845 04:01:26,389 --> 04:01:26,399 » Councelor Verkike. 5846 04:01:26,399 --> 04:01:28,870 >> Yes. 5847 04:01:28,870 --> 04:01:28,880 » Yes. 5848 04:01:28,880 --> 04:01:30,950 >> Deputy Mayor Sandeu. 5849 04:01:30,950 --> 04:01:30,960 » Deputy Mayor Sandeu. 5850 04:01:30,960 --> 04:01:32,389 >> Yes. 5851 04:01:32,389 --> 04:01:32,399 » Yes. 5852 04:01:32,399 --> 04:01:34,790 >> And Mayor Leuk. 5853 04:01:34,790 --> 04:01:34,800 » And Mayor Leuk. 5854 04:01:34,800 --> 04:01:37,510 >> Yes. 5855 04:01:37,520 --> 04:01:41,520 Okay. So that uh passes. The motion is 5856 04:01:41,520 --> 04:01:43,680 carried. 5857 04:01:43,680 --> 04:01:45,910 >> Okay. Thank you. 5858 04:01:45,910 --> 04:01:45,920 » Okay. Thank you. 5859 04:01:45,920 --> 04:01:49,040 We are moving on to 9.9. 5860 04:01:49,040 --> 04:01:51,120 Mayor and Council Golf Classic Summary. 5861 04:01:51,120 --> 04:01:54,560 A recommendation that report CAO 2025-3 5862 04:01:54,560 --> 04:01:57,439 titled the 2025 mayor and council golf 5863 04:01:57,439 --> 04:01:58,800 classic summary be received for 5864 04:01:58,800 --> 04:02:00,640 information and the golf committee 5865 04:02:00,640 --> 04:02:02,960 reconvenes in January 26 to commence the 5866 04:02:02,960 --> 04:02:05,279 planning process for the 2026 mayor and 5867 04:02:05,279 --> 04:02:07,760 uh council golf classic. Move second put 5868 04:02:07,760 --> 04:02:10,399 this on the floor please by deputy mayor 5869 04:02:10,399 --> 04:02:12,880 seconded by councelor Dyke. Question 5870 04:02:12,880 --> 04:02:15,040 concerns with the report 5871 04:02:15,040 --> 04:02:17,840 councelor Scott and councelor 5872 04:02:17,840 --> 04:02:19,910 >> Thanks Mr. Mayor. So, this was a fun 5873 04:02:19,910 --> 04:02:19,920 » Thanks Mr. Mayor. So, this was a fun 5874 04:02:19,920 --> 04:02:21,600 event and I want to thank staff, the 5875 04:02:21,600 --> 04:02:23,520 organizing committee and the sponsors uh 5876 04:02:23,520 --> 04:02:25,680 for making it happen. And I also want to 5877 04:02:25,680 --> 04:02:27,439 thank the CEO for answering my questions 5878 04:02:27,439 --> 04:02:30,239 earlier today. I was trying to reconcile 5879 04:02:30,239 --> 04:02:32,880 the funds raised this year, but also 5880 04:02:32,880 --> 04:02:36,160 over the past two years with the 5881 04:02:36,160 --> 04:02:38,160 publicly stated commitments to various 5882 04:02:38,160 --> 04:02:39,600 events. I'm just going to focus on this 5883 04:02:39,600 --> 04:02:41,199 year because I I had satisfactory 5884 04:02:41,199 --> 04:02:43,920 answers to past years. Unfortunately, 5885 04:02:43,920 --> 04:02:46,080 there seems to be a gap between what was 5886 04:02:46,080 --> 04:02:47,760 communicated to the public about the 5887 04:02:47,760 --> 04:02:51,920 2025 proceeds and the actual impact. 5888 04:02:51,920 --> 04:02:54,000 Promotions in advance, the postevent 5889 04:02:54,000 --> 04:02:56,560 news release, and this report said the 5890 04:02:56,560 --> 04:02:58,720 funds would go to quote essential 5891 04:02:58,720 --> 04:03:01,680 upgrades to various parks such as Rotary 5892 04:03:01,680 --> 04:03:04,479 Park. In reality, the tournament 5893 04:03:04,479 --> 04:03:07,359 contributed $40,000 solely to Rotary 5894 04:03:07,359 --> 04:03:09,920 Park. Rotary Park was only already fully 5895 04:03:09,920 --> 04:03:12,319 funded and approved in the 2025 budget 5896 04:03:12,319 --> 04:03:14,479 at $135,000. 5897 04:03:14,479 --> 04:03:16,160 So the tournament offset about one 5898 04:03:16,160 --> 04:03:17,920 quarter of its cost again which was 5899 04:03:17,920 --> 04:03:19,680 already budgeted. This perhaps could 5900 04:03:19,680 --> 04:03:22,000 free up that amount for for future 5901 04:03:22,000 --> 04:03:23,680 upgrades which is welcome but it's a 5902 04:03:23,680 --> 04:03:25,520 very different story than suggesting the 5903 04:03:25,520 --> 04:03:28,720 event directly funded the project in 5904 04:03:28,720 --> 04:03:30,960 addition to funding upgrades to various 5905 04:03:30,960 --> 04:03:33,600 whatever that meant other parks. So in 5906 04:03:33,600 --> 04:03:36,160 reality we funded a quarter of one park 5907 04:03:36,160 --> 04:03:39,840 not multiple park projects. 5908 04:03:39,840 --> 04:03:41,520 Any additional funding is a good thing. 5909 04:03:41,520 --> 04:03:44,160 I'm not questioning that. But I I do 5910 04:03:44,160 --> 04:03:47,439 worry about approving this until we have 5911 04:03:47,439 --> 04:03:49,359 more transparency around the numbers. I 5912 04:03:49,359 --> 04:03:51,120 I think councelor and perhaps 5913 04:03:51,120 --> 04:03:52,720 councelor Gardano had asked last year 5914 04:03:52,720 --> 04:03:56,239 about transparency as to the revenue, 5915 04:03:56,239 --> 04:03:57,840 the donation side. I'm asking about the 5916 04:03:57,840 --> 04:04:01,439 expenses side. So, I'm going to move 5917 04:04:01,439 --> 04:04:03,120 that this report be referred back to 5918 04:04:03,120 --> 04:04:05,920 staff with a request to return by early 5919 04:04:05,920 --> 04:04:09,120 fall with a breakdown for 2023, 2024, 5920 04:04:09,120 --> 04:04:12,000 and 2025 showing gross revenue from 5921 04:04:12,000 --> 04:04:14,160 registrations and sponsorship, event 5922 04:04:14,160 --> 04:04:17,279 expenses, net proceeds, how those funds 5923 04:04:17,279 --> 04:04:18,720 have been spent or committed over the 5924 04:04:18,720 --> 04:04:20,880 past three years, and what percentage of 5925 04:04:20,880 --> 04:04:22,960 the projects were then funded by the 5926 04:04:22,960 --> 04:04:24,880 tournament. And I I emailed the clerk in 5927 04:04:24,880 --> 04:04:27,120 advance, so they have this. I think we 5928 04:04:27,120 --> 04:04:29,120 owe it to the public to tidy this up if 5929 04:04:29,120 --> 04:04:32,080 there if there was an overcommitment or 5930 04:04:32,080 --> 04:04:34,560 uh some enthusiasm that wasn't realized 5931 04:04:34,560 --> 04:04:37,279 in in the actual accounting afterwards 5932 04:04:37,279 --> 04:04:40,000 because this carries the town's name. I 5933 04:04:40,000 --> 04:04:41,199 think we branded it the mayor and 5934 04:04:41,199 --> 04:04:42,720 council tournament. It certainly uses 5935 04:04:42,720 --> 04:04:44,640 town resources and supports important 5936 04:04:44,640 --> 04:04:47,040 local causes over the years. So, I'd 5937 04:04:47,040 --> 04:04:49,120 like to uh refer this back to get that 5938 04:04:49,120 --> 04:04:50,800 additional information. I think it will 5939 04:04:50,800 --> 04:04:53,840 uh tidy things up and uh if mistakes 5940 04:04:53,840 --> 04:04:56,160 happen they happen but um funding one 5941 04:04:56,160 --> 04:04:58,239 park when the commitment was to fund 5942 04:04:58,239 --> 04:05:00,319 various parks and the funding for that 5943 04:05:00,319 --> 04:05:02,160 one park was just a quarter of the total 5944 04:05:02,160 --> 04:05:08,710 costs that wasn't as advertised. 5945 04:05:08,720 --> 04:05:12,160 Okay. Thank you, councelor Dyiky. 5946 04:05:12,160 --> 04:05:16,239 As a as a word counselor that uh had the 5947 04:05:16,239 --> 04:05:19,279 the road uh park upgraded and I must say 5948 04:05:19,279 --> 04:05:22,080 I I received many calls on the problem 5949 04:05:22,080 --> 04:05:25,279 with the old um pavilion and the people 5950 04:05:25,279 --> 04:05:27,279 living in it and and all the problems it 5951 04:05:27,279 --> 04:05:29,040 causes for the neighbors for Jury Street 5952 04:05:29,040 --> 04:05:31,359 and and Holland Court. I I just want to 5953 04:05:31,359 --> 04:05:32,800 thank the committee. I know there was a 5954 04:05:32,800 --> 04:05:35,040 lot of funds that went to various 5955 04:05:35,040 --> 04:05:37,040 positive things, Scan Creek and the 5956 04:05:37,040 --> 04:05:39,439 whole whole nine yards, but I I just 5957 04:05:39,439 --> 04:05:42,080 want to thank u for benefit. I know it 5958 04:05:42,080 --> 04:05:43,680 was in the budget, but I haven't seen 5959 04:05:43,680 --> 04:05:45,760 all those final numbers as well when it 5960 04:05:45,760 --> 04:05:49,199 came to the to Rotary Park, but I think 5961 04:05:49,199 --> 04:05:50,720 at the end of the day that it's a big 5962 04:05:50,720 --> 04:05:52,640 improvement of downtown. So, private 5963 04:05:52,640 --> 04:05:54,720 funding and and taxation, it really 5964 04:05:54,720 --> 04:05:56,479 benefited old part of town. So, I just 5965 04:05:56,479 --> 04:05:58,720 wanted to thank your mayor and and the 5966 04:05:58,720 --> 04:06:00,560 many councils, Karen, and everybody that 5967 04:06:00,560 --> 04:06:02,720 sits on the committee, and it's not easy 5968 04:06:02,720 --> 04:06:05,040 to fund raise uh these projects, 5969 04:06:05,040 --> 04:06:06,960 especially with golf course uh golf 5970 04:06:06,960 --> 04:06:08,479 tournaments. It's not easy to get the 5971 04:06:08,479 --> 04:06:09,040 funds. 5972 04:06:09,040 --> 04:06:10,950 >> So, I have a point of order. I moved a 5973 04:06:10,950 --> 04:06:10,960 » So, I have a point of order. I moved a 5974 04:06:10,960 --> 04:06:12,479 referral and I would need a seconder, 5975 04:06:12,479 --> 04:06:13,680 but that would then have to take 5976 04:06:13,680 --> 04:06:16,880 precedence over general debate. 5977 04:06:16,880 --> 04:06:18,790 >> Moved a referral. Okay. I thought you 5978 04:06:18,790 --> 04:06:18,800 » Moved a referral. Okay. I thought you 5979 04:06:18,800 --> 04:06:20,399 made an amendment to the motion. 5980 04:06:20,399 --> 04:06:22,070 >> No, Mr. Mayor. I clearly stated that I'd 5981 04:06:22,070 --> 04:06:22,080 » No, Mr. Mayor. I clearly stated that I'd 5982 04:06:22,080 --> 04:06:23,439 like to refer it back to staff. I 5983 04:06:23,439 --> 04:06:25,359 specified when and the items I'd want. I 5984 04:06:25,359 --> 04:06:27,040 need a seconder on a referral motion and 5985 04:06:27,040 --> 04:06:28,720 then that takes precedent but it is 5986 04:06:28,720 --> 04:06:29,920 debatable. 5987 04:06:29,920 --> 04:06:31,590 >> We've been through this twice tonight. 5988 04:06:31,590 --> 04:06:31,600 » We've been through this twice tonight. 5989 04:06:31,600 --> 04:06:34,710 >> No problem. Good for you. Okay. So, we 5990 04:06:34,710 --> 04:06:34,720 » No problem. Good for you. Okay. So, we 5991 04:06:34,720 --> 04:06:38,080 need a seconder for that. 5992 04:06:38,080 --> 04:06:38,550 >> Your your second. 5993 04:06:38,550 --> 04:06:38,560 » Your your second. 5994 04:06:38,560 --> 04:06:41,670 >> I'll second it. But can I add uh will 5995 04:06:41,670 --> 04:06:41,680 » I'll second it. But can I add uh will 5996 04:06:41,680 --> 04:06:43,680 there be debate so I can ask for further 5997 04:06:43,680 --> 04:06:45,600 information on other things? 5998 04:06:45,600 --> 04:06:51,910 >> Yes, absolutely. Ask away. 5999 04:06:51,920 --> 04:06:56,399 So I guess if if possible, we have the 6000 04:06:56,399 --> 04:06:58,399 event sponsor, we have platinum 6001 04:06:58,399 --> 04:07:00,000 sponsors. 6002 04:07:00,000 --> 04:07:03,680 Uh these major sponsors are 6003 04:07:03,680 --> 04:07:05,680 uh they're putting their name out there 6004 04:07:05,680 --> 04:07:08,960 at the event, I believe, and I don't see 6005 04:07:08,960 --> 04:07:11,359 why they're not listed in a in this 6006 04:07:11,359 --> 04:07:16,800 report who's who's donating what. Um, 6007 04:07:16,800 --> 04:07:19,040 you know, it's they're not hiding it 6008 04:07:19,040 --> 04:07:21,120 because I believe that they're putting 6009 04:07:21,120 --> 04:07:23,040 it out there during the the event. So, 6010 04:07:23,040 --> 04:07:26,399 it's not private information, but it's 6011 04:07:26,399 --> 04:07:30,080 not very transparent to the public. 6012 04:07:30,080 --> 04:07:31,670 >> I'd consider that friendly to my 6013 04:07:31,670 --> 04:07:31,680 » I'd consider that friendly to my 6014 04:07:31,680 --> 04:07:35,510 referral motion. 6015 04:07:35,520 --> 04:07:37,520 » Okay. 6016 04:07:37,520 --> 04:07:40,630 >> Yeah. Councelor Jam, go ahead. 6017 04:07:40,630 --> 04:07:40,640 » Yeah. Councelor Jam, go ahead. 6018 04:07:40,640 --> 04:07:42,150 >> Yeah. Yeah, at the end of the day, I I 6019 04:07:42,150 --> 04:07:42,160 » Yeah. Yeah, at the end of the day, I I 6020 04:07:42,160 --> 04:07:43,920 we've had some discussions offline about 6021 04:07:43,920 --> 04:07:46,720 this in some of the emails and um yeah, 6022 04:07:46,720 --> 04:07:48,239 this is the type of information that 6023 04:07:48,239 --> 04:07:50,080 when it comes to building trust with the 6024 04:07:50,080 --> 04:07:51,279 community and everything else, it's good 6025 04:07:51,279 --> 04:07:53,920 to know what the only concern I have is 6026 04:07:53,920 --> 04:07:57,199 that you don't want to scare away. Um u 6027 04:07:57,199 --> 04:07:58,800 but you know, if they're putting their 6028 04:07:58,800 --> 04:07:59,920 logo out there and they're saying, "Hey, 6029 04:07:59,920 --> 04:08:01,439 I'm a platinum sponsor or I'm a gold 6030 04:08:01,439 --> 04:08:03,359 spot of a whole sponsor." There's a rate 6031 04:08:03,359 --> 04:08:06,560 card. It's well advertised. So I I would 6032 04:08:06,560 --> 04:08:09,359 say that that's pretty fair game to at 6033 04:08:09,359 --> 04:08:11,600 least detail that or at least have it in 6034 04:08:11,600 --> 04:08:13,359 buckets, right? So some some sort of 6035 04:08:13,359 --> 04:08:14,960 transparency that shows that I wouldn't 6036 04:08:14,960 --> 04:08:16,800 want to, you know, promote that and 6037 04:08:16,800 --> 04:08:18,880 throw it out all across, you know, u for 6038 04:08:18,880 --> 04:08:20,960 everyone to see, but at the same time, 6039 04:08:20,960 --> 04:08:23,199 when you sign up for a municipal uh 6040 04:08:23,199 --> 04:08:24,800 anything and you're giving donations, it 6041 04:08:24,800 --> 04:08:26,239 should be a lot more transparent than we 6042 04:08:26,239 --> 04:08:30,870 have it right now. 6043 04:08:30,880 --> 04:08:34,160 » Yeah. Craber. 6044 04:08:34,160 --> 04:08:36,880 Thanks, Mayor. 6045 04:08:36,880 --> 04:08:38,880 This This is kind of a bit bugging me. 6046 04:08:38,880 --> 04:08:40,160 It's almost like we're on a witch hunt 6047 04:08:40,160 --> 04:08:42,160 here or something, but can I get a 6048 04:08:42,160 --> 04:08:44,000 clarification? Like, is there a 6049 04:08:44,000 --> 04:08:45,920 requirement that we have to like 6050 04:08:45,920 --> 04:08:48,399 transparently show who donates 6051 04:08:48,399 --> 04:08:50,720 privately? Do we have to reach out then 6052 04:08:50,720 --> 04:08:54,080 to to these donors to get their consent 6053 04:08:54,080 --> 04:08:56,960 to put put it publicly? Like, did we put 6054 04:08:56,960 --> 04:08:59,760 it in any any position where we would 6055 04:08:59,760 --> 04:09:01,760 tell the public that they would be doing 6056 04:09:01,760 --> 04:09:03,760 this? I mean, it was a council mayor and 6057 04:09:03,760 --> 04:09:06,640 council golf tournament, but like where 6058 04:09:06,640 --> 04:09:09,359 where do we stand on this? Like, do we 6059 04:09:09,359 --> 04:09:11,040 have to have them like I just want to 6060 04:09:11,040 --> 04:09:13,439 know what what the actual 6061 04:09:13,439 --> 04:09:16,160 ruling is on this because it's a bit 6062 04:09:16,160 --> 04:09:19,120 confusing and it just like 6063 04:09:19,120 --> 04:09:21,120 you know, councelor J, you put it right. 6064 04:09:21,120 --> 04:09:22,399 You don't want to scare anybody off 6065 04:09:22,399 --> 04:09:25,279 here, but like that a port like this is 6066 04:09:25,279 --> 04:09:27,680 exactly what he might do. and we're 6067 04:09:27,680 --> 04:09:30,479 actually getting a lot of things done in 6068 04:09:30,479 --> 04:09:33,520 this this town. And I and I understand 6069 04:09:33,520 --> 04:09:35,359 councelor Scott, you know, wanting to 6070 04:09:35,359 --> 04:09:37,359 make sure that the proper places or 6071 04:09:37,359 --> 04:09:39,920 things were were funded. And that part I 6072 04:09:39,920 --> 04:09:41,279 don't mind with seeing where it went, 6073 04:09:41,279 --> 04:09:44,880 but like we're tracking down and and 6074 04:09:44,880 --> 04:09:47,359 name calling donors now and stuff. It 6075 04:09:47,359 --> 04:09:49,520 just seems a little bit farfetched here. 6076 04:09:49,520 --> 04:09:51,680 I'd like the ruling on that. Like do we 6077 04:09:51,680 --> 04:09:54,319 have a process? 6078 04:09:54,319 --> 04:09:55,429 >> No, I don't know if we have a process, 6079 04:09:55,429 --> 04:09:55,439 » No, I don't know if we have a process, 6080 04:09:55,439 --> 04:09:56,800 but we'll look through it. look through 6081 04:09:56,800 --> 04:09:58,800 it. It's it's everything's fair game. 6082 04:09:58,800 --> 04:10:01,199 This is council and mayor's golf event. 6083 04:10:01,199 --> 04:10:03,439 So there are there is a committee we set 6084 04:10:03,439 --> 04:10:05,279 up and uh we have members on that 6085 04:10:05,279 --> 04:10:06,640 committee and every year we've changed 6086 04:10:06,640 --> 04:10:08,080 them where we've asked people to come on 6087 04:10:08,080 --> 04:10:10,000 that committee. This information is all 6088 04:10:10,000 --> 04:10:13,359 available. Um the money's been spent on 6089 04:10:13,359 --> 04:10:15,199 like it's almost like we're saying that 6090 04:10:15,199 --> 04:10:16,800 I'm hiding something whatever. I'm not 6091 04:10:16,800 --> 04:10:18,720 hiding anything. I I don't know why we 6092 04:10:18,720 --> 04:10:20,720 think it's me. This is a mayor and 6093 04:10:20,720 --> 04:10:22,640 council event. Some of you has actually 6094 04:10:22,640 --> 04:10:24,239 come some of you come for photos and 6095 04:10:24,239 --> 04:10:26,160 leave. But some of you come and play 6096 04:10:26,160 --> 04:10:28,720 golf, some don't. But that's okay. I 6097 04:10:28,720 --> 04:10:30,319 mean, that's this is our this is our 6098 04:10:30,319 --> 04:10:32,720 event. I do a lot of work to get this 6099 04:10:32,720 --> 04:10:34,560 event off. I do a lot of fundraising for 6100 04:10:34,560 --> 04:10:36,640 it. Yeah. But I we've supported the 6101 04:10:36,640 --> 04:10:38,800 100th RCAF event. We've supported the 6102 04:10:38,800 --> 04:10:40,640 100th anniversary hall of Marsh, the 6103 04:10:40,640 --> 04:10:42,880 Rotary Park. We supported money for our 6104 04:10:42,880 --> 04:10:44,720 town hall for when uh our town hall is 6105 04:10:44,720 --> 04:10:46,239 built. Council have money to do what 6106 04:10:46,239 --> 04:10:47,760 they want in the foyer to put some 6107 04:10:47,760 --> 04:10:49,279 extras in there. That's all going to be 6108 04:10:49,279 --> 04:10:51,120 in the account. Everything is accounted 6109 04:10:51,120 --> 04:10:53,279 for. We There's nothing unaccounted for 6110 04:10:53,279 --> 04:10:55,359 here. There's nothing there's no hidden 6111 04:10:55,359 --> 04:10:58,800 magic thing here. We are a a town. We're 6112 04:10:58,800 --> 04:11:00,640 accountable. If you want a friends that 6113 04:11:00,640 --> 04:11:02,479 got it, we can give you friends that got 6114 04:11:02,479 --> 04:11:04,640 it. I have nothing to hide. There's 6115 04:11:04,640 --> 04:11:07,040 nothing to hide. I sent a I sent a an 6116 04:11:07,040 --> 04:11:08,399 Excel spreadsheet that the same 6117 04:11:08,399 --> 04:11:10,239 spreadsheet that we do every year. 6118 04:11:10,239 --> 04:11:12,319 Members of council see that. I don't 6119 04:11:12,319 --> 04:11:14,000 know what the big idea is that we have 6120 04:11:14,000 --> 04:11:16,800 to express who was the va who was at the 6121 04:11:16,800 --> 04:11:19,520 uh who was the donor or whatever. I 6122 04:11:19,520 --> 04:11:21,040 mean, they're at the golf event. They're 6123 04:11:21,040 --> 04:11:22,479 they're on the cards. They're there. you 6124 04:11:22,479 --> 04:11:24,880 know who they are. 6125 04:11:24,880 --> 04:11:26,080 If you want to tell the public, go ahead 6126 04:11:26,080 --> 04:11:27,439 and tell the public. They they probably 6127 04:11:27,439 --> 04:11:29,680 won't do it again. 6128 04:11:29,680 --> 04:11:31,600 So, I'm I'm I'm good with not even 6129 04:11:31,600 --> 04:11:33,120 running a tournament again. Let's let's 6130 04:11:33,120 --> 04:11:34,640 not do it. Let's save the time and 6131 04:11:34,640 --> 04:11:35,840 effort because this is going to cost 6132 04:11:35,840 --> 04:11:37,199 staff time. They're the ones that have 6133 04:11:37,199 --> 04:11:38,800 to put this all together. We have it on 6134 04:11:38,800 --> 04:11:41,600 spreadsheets, but Okay. So, Councelor 6135 04:11:41,600 --> 04:11:43,279 Scott, go ahead. 6136 04:11:43,279 --> 04:11:46,870 >> Thanks, your worship. Okay. I uh I think 6137 04:11:46,870 --> 04:11:46,880 » Thanks, your worship. Okay. I uh I think 6138 04:11:46,880 --> 04:11:49,920 it's fair game to ask for transparency 6139 04:11:49,920 --> 04:11:52,479 and I I hear your defensiveness and 6140 04:11:52,479 --> 04:11:54,720 that's fair and fine, but I wouldn't be 6141 04:11:54,720 --> 04:11:57,520 asking for something if the advertising, 6142 04:11:57,520 --> 04:12:00,399 the news release and this report didn't 6143 04:12:00,399 --> 04:12:02,000 say that we funded multiple parks when 6144 04:12:02,000 --> 04:12:04,479 we funded a quarter of one. That's my 6145 04:12:04,479 --> 04:12:06,160 question. Councelor Vike then asked for 6146 04:12:06,160 --> 04:12:08,640 more information about the donors and 6147 04:12:08,640 --> 04:12:10,560 I'm in favor of more transparency, not 6148 04:12:10,560 --> 04:12:12,960 less. But, uh, councelor Harper said, 6149 04:12:12,960 --> 04:12:15,439 "It feels like a witch hunt." I wouldn't 6150 04:12:15,439 --> 04:12:17,920 be here if there wasn't a discrepancy 6151 04:12:17,920 --> 04:12:21,199 between what was advertised, stated in 6152 04:12:21,199 --> 04:12:22,640 the news release, and stated in the 6153 04:12:22,640 --> 04:12:25,199 report that we funded various park 6154 04:12:25,199 --> 04:12:27,199 upgrades, including Rotary Park, when in 6155 04:12:27,199 --> 04:12:29,520 the end, we funded a quarter of Rotary 6156 04:12:29,520 --> 04:12:31,439 Park. That's the main thing I was asking 6157 04:12:31,439 --> 04:12:34,080 for. I I think I think and and councelor 6158 04:12:34,080 --> 04:12:35,920 Hyper said that piece is fair. I'll let 6159 04:12:35,920 --> 04:12:37,760 councelor Bkite out if he wants on the 6160 04:12:37,760 --> 04:12:39,040 donations, but I thought more 6161 04:12:39,040 --> 04:12:42,800 transparency, not less, is a good thing. 6162 04:12:42,800 --> 04:12:43,520 Council, 6163 04:12:43,520 --> 04:12:45,189 >> my my question is not directed at the 6164 04:12:45,189 --> 04:12:45,199 » my my question is not directed at the 6165 04:12:45,199 --> 04:12:47,600 mayor. I direct my question is directed 6166 04:12:47,600 --> 04:12:51,279 at staff uh to add this to the report. 6167 04:12:51,279 --> 04:12:54,319 if staff consider that it's not 6168 04:12:54,319 --> 04:12:58,000 appropriate that staff cons do that but 6169 04:12:58,000 --> 04:13:01,199 I can ask the question 6170 04:13:01,199 --> 04:13:03,199 not directed at this is a mayor and 6171 04:13:03,199 --> 04:13:05,520 council culture so as a counselor I 6172 04:13:05,520 --> 04:13:09,920 should be able to ask these questions 6173 04:13:09,920 --> 04:13:11,600 certainly you can ask any question you 6174 04:13:11,600 --> 04:13:14,159 want okay so we got a referral back on 6175 04:13:14,159 --> 04:13:16,239 and they're and you have the uh reasons 6176 04:13:16,239 --> 04:13:17,680 you have everything documented on what 6177 04:13:17,680 --> 04:13:19,920 they want referred all the information 6178 04:13:19,920 --> 04:13:22,479 that they're asking before they have it. 6179 04:13:22,479 --> 04:13:23,439 Make sure you have it because I don't 6180 04:13:23,439 --> 04:13:27,680 want to miss any. Okay. So, we're uh 6181 04:13:27,680 --> 04:13:30,720 we're voting on that a referral. So, all 6182 04:13:30,720 --> 04:13:33,600 in favor? 6183 04:13:33,600 --> 04:13:39,199 Okay. Thank you. Supported. 6184 04:13:39,199 --> 04:13:41,760 Moving on. We're on to staff request for 6185 04:13:41,760 --> 04:13:44,159 staff reports. Any request for staff 6186 04:13:44,159 --> 04:13:44,800 report tonight? 6187 04:13:44,800 --> 04:13:45,670 >> Yes, sir. 6188 04:13:45,670 --> 04:13:45,680 » Yes, sir. 6189 04:13:45,680 --> 04:13:47,830 >> Yep. Go ahead. 6190 04:13:47,830 --> 04:13:47,840 » Yep. Go ahead. 6191 04:13:47,840 --> 04:13:49,990 >> Thank you again. Um, so I have a request 6192 04:13:49,990 --> 04:13:50,000 » Thank you again. Um, so I have a request 6193 04:13:50,000 --> 04:13:52,319 that I hope council will support. Uh, it 6194 04:13:52,319 --> 04:13:54,080 reflects concerns we've heard recently 6195 04:13:54,080 --> 04:13:55,680 or directly over many years from 6196 04:13:55,680 --> 04:13:57,680 residents and it also follows a 6197 04:13:57,680 --> 04:13:59,920 precedent council established last year. 6198 04:13:59,920 --> 04:14:01,760 So, I'd first like to ask staff to 6199 04:14:01,760 --> 04:14:03,279 report back on whether there are cost 6200 04:14:03,279 --> 04:14:04,960 efficiencies or other benefits to 6201 04:14:04,960 --> 04:14:07,439 expanding the current Britannia Avenue 6202 04:14:07,439 --> 04:14:09,120 resurfacing project to include Wood 6203 04:14:09,120 --> 04:14:10,800 Crescent, Julie Court, and Jennifer 6204 04:14:10,800 --> 04:14:12,720 Court. These are some of the older roads 6205 04:14:12,720 --> 04:14:14,239 and among the worst condition. I mention 6206 04:14:14,239 --> 04:14:16,560 them often, but because of lower traffic 6207 04:14:16,560 --> 04:14:18,000 volumes, they're get they keep getting 6208 04:14:18,000 --> 04:14:20,000 pushed back down the priority list. 6209 04:14:20,000 --> 04:14:21,520 We've had success in the past bundling 6210 04:14:21,520 --> 04:14:23,199 roads like these into nearby projects to 6211 04:14:23,199 --> 04:14:25,120 get them done more efficiently. In my 6212 04:14:25,120 --> 04:14:26,880 word, Patrician Court got done a few 6213 04:14:26,880 --> 04:14:29,439 years ago that way last year around this 6214 04:14:29,439 --> 04:14:31,199 time. Uh the mayor had a good idea, I 6215 04:14:31,199 --> 04:14:32,560 thought, and brought forward a similar 6216 04:14:32,560 --> 04:14:34,960 request to this to add Ryagens 6217 04:14:34,960 --> 04:14:36,479 Industrial Parkway to the Line 8 6218 04:14:36,479 --> 04:14:38,239 reservicing after business owners had 6219 04:14:38,239 --> 04:14:40,720 raised concerns. This is the a similar 6220 04:14:40,720 --> 04:14:42,560 case, just it's dozens of residents 6221 04:14:42,560 --> 04:14:45,840 asking. Um, sorry, I'll wrap up quickly. 6222 04:14:45,840 --> 04:14:47,439 The roads I'm raising are already in the 6223 04:14:47,439 --> 04:14:49,439 capital asset renewal plan slotted for 6224 04:14:49,439 --> 04:14:52,560 future years at a cost of $555,000. 6225 04:14:52,560 --> 04:14:55,120 Very similar in dollar scope to reagens 6226 04:14:55,120 --> 04:14:57,199 last year. If we accelerate the work and 6227 04:14:57,199 --> 04:14:58,880 achieve cost savings by combining it 6228 04:14:58,880 --> 04:15:00,560 with Britannia now, I think that's worth 6229 04:15:00,560 --> 04:15:03,600 exploring. So, I I'd like to see us ask 6230 04:15:03,600 --> 04:15:05,920 staff to report back on this at a 6231 04:15:05,920 --> 04:15:08,000 meeting in September. And then second, 6232 04:15:08,000 --> 04:15:09,920 I'm also going to ask staff to review 6233 04:15:09,920 --> 04:15:12,239 whether two small and seemingly 6234 04:15:12,239 --> 04:15:13,840 overlapping reserve funds, the parking 6235 04:15:13,840 --> 04:15:15,760 lot reserve fund and the capital 6236 04:15:15,760 --> 04:15:17,199 facilities reserve fund could be 6237 04:15:17,199 --> 04:15:19,279 consolidated into our capital asset 6238 04:15:19,279 --> 04:15:21,680 renewal reserve fund. Uh this would 6239 04:15:21,680 --> 04:15:23,760 streamline planning and capital uh 6240 04:15:23,760 --> 04:15:26,560 projects. It would add roughly half a 6241 04:15:26,560 --> 04:15:28,720 million dollars, which is incidentally 6242 04:15:28,720 --> 04:15:31,279 roughly the cost of the road projects 6243 04:15:31,279 --> 04:15:33,279 I'm asking to look into accelerating 6244 04:15:33,279 --> 04:15:35,279 into the capital asset plan. So 6245 04:15:35,279 --> 04:15:37,279 hopefully those are uh two practical 6246 04:15:37,279 --> 04:15:39,279 proposals that I'd like uh staff to 6247 04:15:39,279 --> 04:15:40,880 report on so we can make a decision. I'm 6248 04:15:40,880 --> 04:15:43,040 not saying we need to say yes or no to 6249 04:15:43,040 --> 04:15:44,560 either thing tonight, but I'd like uh 6250 04:15:44,560 --> 04:15:50,149 the information brought back, please. 6251 04:15:50,159 --> 04:15:52,960 » Sorry, point of order. I just have to uh 6252 04:15:52,960 --> 04:15:54,800 declare a conflict on the Bratannu. So 6253 04:15:54,800 --> 04:15:57,680 if you could split the vote. 6254 04:15:57,680 --> 04:16:01,429 >> Okay. 6255 04:16:01,439 --> 04:16:04,399 Okay. Moved by Council G. So Okay. 6256 04:16:04,399 --> 04:16:06,800 Second. So, we have that. You've heard 6257 04:16:06,800 --> 04:16:09,520 what councelor 6258 04:16:09,520 --> 04:16:12,399 Scott wants on questions? Yeah, 6259 04:16:12,399 --> 04:16:15,030 >> sure. So, 6260 04:16:15,030 --> 04:16:15,040 » sure. So, 6261 04:16:15,040 --> 04:16:18,080 when the reports come back, it would 6262 04:16:18,080 --> 04:16:20,000 would like staff to highlight if it's 6263 04:16:20,000 --> 04:16:22,560 going to push any other regularly 6264 04:16:22,560 --> 04:16:25,520 scheduled projects back, regardless of 6265 04:16:25,520 --> 04:16:27,040 where the savings are and how we're 6266 04:16:27,040 --> 04:16:29,359 doing it. If it's going to and which 6267 04:16:29,359 --> 04:16:31,359 projects are going to push be pushed 6268 04:16:31,359 --> 04:16:33,760 back. That way we can decide at that 6269 04:16:33,760 --> 04:16:34,960 time whether we're going to go through 6270 04:16:34,960 --> 04:16:39,830 with this or not. 6271 04:16:39,840 --> 04:16:41,600 » So yeah, I want I want to support it's 6272 04:16:41,600 --> 04:16:43,120 always best to do due diligence when it 6273 04:16:43,120 --> 04:16:44,800 looks at optimization of any type of 6274 04:16:44,800 --> 04:16:46,000 project, but I agree with the deputy 6275 04:16:46,000 --> 04:16:47,680 mayor 100%. I I wouldn't want to 6276 04:16:47,680 --> 04:16:50,000 sacrifice or push back another project 6277 04:16:50,000 --> 04:16:52,239 that is uh maybe on a higher priority 6278 04:16:52,239 --> 04:16:54,159 list or something else, but I find that 6279 04:16:54,159 --> 04:16:56,080 there's always ways to to look at 6280 04:16:56,080 --> 04:16:57,600 scenarios. So I I look forward to the 6281 04:16:57,600 --> 04:16:58,880 solutioning that they bring back and 6282 04:16:58,880 --> 04:17:04,070 seeing how that plays. 6283 04:17:04,080 --> 04:17:07,760 Okay. So, we're not we we can split the 6284 04:17:07,760 --> 04:17:10,319 vote then if you want. Okay. So, we'll 6285 04:17:10,319 --> 04:17:13,359 just vote on the re on the uh report for 6286 04:17:13,359 --> 04:17:15,359 looking for resurfacing of the roads to 6287 04:17:15,359 --> 04:17:17,199 start. 6288 04:17:17,199 --> 04:17:19,920 Okay. Okay. And then we'll do the the 6289 04:17:19,920 --> 04:17:21,359 one with consolidating the reserve 6290 04:17:21,359 --> 04:17:24,239 funds. Okay. So, uh all in favor of the 6291 04:17:24,239 --> 04:17:26,080 report for the consolidation of the 6292 04:17:26,080 --> 04:17:28,880 roads repaving. 6293 04:17:28,880 --> 04:17:30,560 Okay. Carried. 6294 04:17:30,560 --> 04:17:32,640 Next one is on the consolidation a 6295 04:17:32,640 --> 04:17:34,000 report for the consolidation of the two 6296 04:17:34,000 --> 04:17:37,199 reserve uh funds to be moved into the 6297 04:17:37,199 --> 04:17:40,479 capital expenditure reserve. Okay, 6298 04:17:40,479 --> 04:17:42,399 that's carried to reports are coming. 6299 04:17:42,399 --> 04:17:43,510 >> Same. 6300 04:17:43,510 --> 04:17:43,520 » Same. 6301 04:17:43,520 --> 04:17:45,030 >> Oh, move second. Well, the same move 6302 04:17:45,030 --> 04:17:45,040 » Oh, move second. Well, the same move 6303 04:17:45,040 --> 04:17:48,080 secondary. Yeah, sorry. 6304 04:17:48,080 --> 04:17:51,110 >> Okay, good. Any further request for 6305 04:17:51,110 --> 04:17:51,120 » Okay, good. Any further request for 6306 04:17:51,120 --> 04:17:53,040 staff reports? Don't have any. Nobody 6307 04:17:53,040 --> 04:18:00,149 came to the 6308 04:18:00,159 --> 04:18:03,510 Oh, yeah. 6309 04:18:03,520 --> 04:18:05,199 » Yeah. Okay. 6310 04:18:05,199 --> 04:18:08,630 >> I could have brought it up for her. 6311 04:18:08,630 --> 04:18:08,640 » I could have brought it up for her. 6312 04:18:08,640 --> 04:18:10,710 >> It's okay. I let go. Okay. Yeah, because 6313 04:18:10,710 --> 04:18:10,720 » It's okay. I let go. Okay. Yeah, because 6314 04:18:10,720 --> 04:18:12,640 she didn't. She has to go through CF. 6315 04:18:12,640 --> 04:18:14,080 Okay. There's no committee hall. We're 6316 04:18:14,080 --> 04:18:18,469 on to Let's move on. 6317 04:18:18,479 --> 04:18:20,319 Section 12, committee minutes and 6318 04:18:20,319 --> 04:18:21,359 recommendations. Recommendation. The 6319 04:18:21,359 --> 04:18:23,359 committee minutes uh and recommendations 6320 04:18:23,359 --> 04:18:25,439 item 121 inclusive be received and 6321 04:18:25,439 --> 04:18:28,159 approved. Move. Second, please. Move by 6322 04:18:28,159 --> 04:18:29,840 councelor Vike. Second by councelor 6323 04:18:29,840 --> 04:18:32,000 Dyke. Question, concerns with any 6324 04:18:32,000 --> 04:18:34,159 amendments and recommendations. All 6325 04:18:34,159 --> 04:18:37,040 right. Seeing none, all in favor? 6326 04:18:37,040 --> 04:18:39,279 Carried. Thank you. We are on to uh no 6327 04:18:39,279 --> 04:18:41,120 new business. 14 bylaws. Recommendation 6328 04:18:41,120 --> 04:18:45,359 that bylaws 2025, 81, 82, and 84 be 6329 04:18:45,359 --> 04:18:50,080 passed. Uh 81 is a zoning uh bylaw 6330 04:18:50,080 --> 04:18:52,880 amendment, and 82 is a building 6331 04:18:52,880 --> 04:18:56,239 inspector appointment bylaw. uh Lumang 6332 04:18:56,239 --> 04:18:59,920 Yang. So, welcome to our our uh building 6333 04:18:59,920 --> 04:19:01,760 department and then a pres-ervice 6334 04:19:01,760 --> 04:19:03,279 agreement with Bond Head uh properties 6335 04:19:03,279 --> 04:19:05,760 8. So, move a second to put this on the 6336 04:19:05,760 --> 04:19:07,920 floor. Moved by Deputy Mayor, seconded 6337 04:19:07,920 --> 04:19:10,000 by Councelor Farerini. 6338 04:19:10,000 --> 04:19:12,399 Question or concerns? Seeing none, all 6339 04:19:12,399 --> 04:19:16,319 in favor? Carried. Thank you. 6340 04:19:16,319 --> 04:19:19,680 Uh announcements. We don't have uh we 6341 04:19:19,680 --> 04:19:21,600 have general announcements, so let's get 6342 04:19:21,600 --> 04:19:24,000 through that. I'll try and speed read 6343 04:19:24,000 --> 04:19:25,600 today. 6344 04:19:25,600 --> 04:19:30,149 Um, no, maybe I'll take my time. 6345 04:19:30,159 --> 04:19:31,840 » Okay, so we got council announcements. 6346 04:19:31,840 --> 04:19:33,680 Proclamations and flag raisings. We have 6347 04:19:33,680 --> 04:19:37,199 several uh in August. Fier Simco Pride, 6348 04:19:37,199 --> 04:19:38,880 we did that today. Jamaican Independence 6349 04:19:38,880 --> 04:19:41,040 Day on August 6th. National Peacekeepers 6350 04:19:41,040 --> 04:19:43,199 Day August 9th. Pakistani Independence 6351 04:19:43,199 --> 04:19:45,279 Day August 14th. Indian Independence Day 6352 04:19:45,279 --> 04:19:47,680 August 15th. Ukraine indep independence 6353 04:19:47,680 --> 04:19:50,319 day August 24th. 6354 04:19:50,319 --> 04:19:52,319 On to the next slide. 6355 04:19:52,319 --> 04:19:55,040 We have uh 6356 04:19:55,040 --> 04:19:56,800 council uh up and cominging events. We 6357 04:19:56,800 --> 04:19:58,960 have outdoor movies happening in August. 6358 04:19:58,960 --> 04:20:01,439 So uh every Tuesday in August we have 6359 04:20:01,439 --> 04:20:03,520 movies. Check that out please. And then 6360 04:20:03,520 --> 04:20:06,479 we have Carro Fest that is uh happening 6361 04:20:06,479 --> 04:20:09,359 on August uh 15th and 16th. So please 6362 04:20:09,359 --> 04:20:11,600 come out and enjoy Carefest with us. 6363 04:20:11,600 --> 04:20:13,359 Next slide. Council announcements, other 6364 04:20:13,359 --> 04:20:14,640 events and campaigns. We have the 6365 04:20:14,640 --> 04:20:16,159 community grant application that's 6366 04:20:16,159 --> 04:20:18,720 opened now. Please deadline to apply is 6367 04:20:18,720 --> 04:20:21,279 by October 1st. We also have the youth 6368 04:20:21,279 --> 04:20:24,399 council design contest. So, please uh 6369 04:20:24,399 --> 04:20:26,560 share that out. And there's a $150 gift 6370 04:20:26,560 --> 04:20:29,199 card for the the best design. And then 6371 04:20:29,199 --> 04:20:31,120 we have take our accessibility survey. 6372 04:20:31,120 --> 04:20:33,120 So, please uh share that as much as 6373 04:20:33,120 --> 04:20:34,560 possible to share that accessibility 6374 04:20:34,560 --> 04:20:38,159 survey. Uh other ones we have uh events 6375 04:20:38,159 --> 04:20:40,239 and campaigns. So, we have an open air 6376 04:20:40,239 --> 04:20:42,960 fire burn uh fireworks ban right now. 6377 04:20:42,960 --> 04:20:45,120 So, fire burning and fireworks ban is in 6378 04:20:45,120 --> 04:20:47,279 effect immediately. So, please do not 6379 04:20:47,279 --> 04:20:50,319 have any open air fires or fireworks 6380 04:20:50,319 --> 04:20:53,760 uh until the uh ban is lifted. The uh 6381 04:20:53,760 --> 04:20:55,760 last one is our connected edition. It's 6382 04:20:55,760 --> 04:20:58,159 out now. Our It's out digitally and our 6383 04:20:58,159 --> 04:21:00,800 copies will be in our buildings uh very 6384 04:21:00,800 --> 04:21:03,520 soon. So, look for the summer connected 6385 04:21:03,520 --> 04:21:05,279 edition. It has lots of information in 6386 04:21:05,279 --> 04:21:07,439 there for council. Was that fast enough 6387 04:21:07,439 --> 04:21:09,199 council? 6388 04:21:09,199 --> 04:21:11,590 >> Record. Eh, very good. Oh, yes. 6389 04:21:11,590 --> 04:21:11,600 » Record. Eh, very good. Oh, yes. 6390 04:21:11,600 --> 04:21:13,680 Councelor Jordano. I think in the past 6391 04:21:13,680 --> 04:21:15,040 you've promoted other counselor's 6392 04:21:15,040 --> 04:21:17,680 events. Um, but I don't see my event on 6393 04:21:17,680 --> 04:21:18,960 here and we don't have another council 6394 04:21:18,960 --> 04:21:21,439 meeting until the event. 6395 04:21:21,439 --> 04:21:23,830 >> Oh, okay. I was hoping to have the 6396 04:21:23,830 --> 04:21:23,840 » Oh, okay. I was hoping to have the 6397 04:21:23,840 --> 04:21:24,720 graphic and everything else like 6398 04:21:24,720 --> 04:21:27,120 everybody else. Okay. So, uh, August 6399 04:21:27,120 --> 04:21:30,159 23rd retro block party. Um, is it open 6400 04:21:30,159 --> 04:21:32,880 to the entire town to purchase tickets? 6401 04:21:32,880 --> 04:21:36,790 You can go to www.vipbwg.ca. 6402 04:21:36,800 --> 04:21:38,239 Thank you. 6403 04:21:38,239 --> 04:21:40,070 >> Sorry, we didn't mean to miss that. We 6404 04:21:40,070 --> 04:21:40,080 » Sorry, we didn't mean to miss that. We 6405 04:21:40,080 --> 04:21:42,080 uh, we forgot it. I I apologize about 6406 04:21:42,080 --> 04:21:45,199 that. Okay. 17. Confirmed proceedings. 6407 04:21:45,199 --> 04:21:47,199 Recommendation that bylaw 2022-83 a 6408 04:21:47,199 --> 04:21:48,479 bylaw to confirm proceedings of the 6409 04:21:48,479 --> 04:21:49,680 regular council and committee hall 6410 04:21:49,680 --> 04:21:51,439 meeting dated August 5th 2023 be 6411 04:21:51,439 --> 04:21:53,359 enacted. Moved by councelor Dy. Second 6412 04:21:53,359 --> 04:21:55,680 by councelor Harper. All in favor? 6413 04:21:55,680 --> 04:21:56,960 Carried. Thank you. Ajournment 6414 04:21:56,960 --> 04:21:58,159 recommendation of the meeting hereby 6415 04:21:58,159 --> 04:22:01,359 journ at what time is it? 11:20 moved by 6416 04:22:01,359 --> 04:22:03,199 councelor Kite. Seconded by councelor 6417 04:22:03,199 --> 04:22:06,239 Jordano. All in favor? Carried. Thank 6418 04:22:06,239 --> 04:22:08,800 you. Have a great evening everyone. 6419 04:22:08,800 --> 04:22:12,000 Thank you for join joining