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uh microphones everybody just be aware
I'm going to uh call to order the

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Planning Commission meeting in City Hall
here 501 Laurel Street council chambers

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for Wednesday July 19th 2023. Mr kravic
would you please call the roll Maron

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here Gorham here Duvall here Norwood
here Grunwald here staying line here

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Jaeger yes item number three Pledge of
Allegiance

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I pledge allegiance to

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two
indivisible

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okay first thing on our agenda here is
an approval of the uh the agenda for

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this evening this is item number four do
we have any additions changes

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substitutions for the agenda
all right hearing none I'll be looking

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for a motion to approved our motion by
staying line and a second by second

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Norwood by Norwood very good uh any
discussion hearing none all those in

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favor signify by saying aye aye opposed
same sign very good we have an agenda

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first item in our agenda is uh number
five this is an approval of the minutes

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this is for our regular meeting that was
held on June 21st special meeting held

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on June July uh July 12th I think yes uh
do we have a motion to approve those

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minutes
so I moved Norwood got a motion to

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second group and a second any discussion
hearing none all those in favor signify

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by saying aye aye opposed same sign we
have an approval uh motion carries

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approval of the uh minutes
okay uh item number six this is uh we're

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gonna jump into our unfinished business
here the first is item 6A this is a

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letter for the DW Jones requesting
public art for the uh 805 uh Laurel

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Street we've got just a sample letter
here uh pretty easy to read but James uh

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please uh give us just the brief
overview on this if you would please

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there's this is not an action item
unless we want to make any adjustments

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or amendments to the letter uh as it
will be submitted and uh I appreciate

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all of you looking out on my behalf
since it's my name on it

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go ahead James thank you Mr chair so
Planning Commission directed staff to

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write a letter to DW Jones on behalf of
the Planning Commission to request a

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public art piece as part of the 805
Laurel Street project staff has included

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a draft of that letter and like would
like Planning Commission to discuss and

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recommend any changes to the letter
all right very good the letter was uh

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not particularly lengthy if you all had
a chance to read it that's great if not

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no big deal but this would be the letter
that we'd be sending out just requesting

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uh some information as I believe it was
Mr Duvall who brought this originally to

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the attention of the commission great
great idea here and uh unless anybody

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has any objections we'll approve this
letter and I'll sign it and we'll send

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it out and see what happens
Mr chair yes please I would encourage an

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additional sentence in here probably
following the uh next to the last

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sentence in the last paragraph to the
effective I encourage you to reach out

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to the crossing Arts Alliance or other
art organizations and institutions in

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our community and region just basically
that they don't have to necessarily own

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the search or the but the gamut if we
can think of them providing the canvas

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and working with the Arts Community to
be able to to fulfill what's on that on

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that canvas so very good awesome yeah it
seems yes please well I was wondering

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because I had the same

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don't
rack card or something or that we can

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throw in with the letter
if not I could run and get one there's

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some type of what card like a rack card
or uh like we're the from The Crossing

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We're The Crossing here's how to get a
hold of them yeah we could probably

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include something like that in there
yeah yep some information on that so

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that they because like if I got this out
of the blue and I Skip's not getting out

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of the blue but I wouldn't know

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and I think pointing them in that
direction is the right way to go

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yep I think that certainly adds some
some value to the letter

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yeah
uh to your point and I'll just jump in

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also to your point Mr Duvall I know that
the five Wings Arts Council is a uh an

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initiative that works with artists and
they have in many cases uh money

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available to uh to partner with people
who want to put art in their locations

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we did this for the library over here
with their art and so it might be good

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just to put them on there also so that's
you know Skip's not 100 working on his

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own on this but there may be actually
somebody else out there who might pay

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for it so and just put it on his
property so those seem to make that

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seems to make good sense to me any other
thoughts or additions to this

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got what you need James and we got what
we need very good thank you very much

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and uh Wilkin yes thank you thank you
we're good we're going to continue on uh

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to our uh new business and our first
item is item 7A this is a consideration

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of an iup an interim use permit for a
short-term rental at 515 9th Street

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South
um Dylan would you please uh just kind

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of give us the rundown on this and then
James follow up with Dylan if you have

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anything please

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thank you and good evening
um we are here to discuss an interim use

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permit for short-term rental
um applied for by stangler Properties

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LLC at uh 515 9th Street South Brainerd
um this is a parcel that lies in a

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traditional neighborhood two zoning
District

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adjacent uses are duplex rentals uh
single-family residential rental and

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non-rental as well as the sharing Bread
soup kitchen all of the other adjacent

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properties are also traditional
neighborhood too

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included in the packet you can see an
aerial map of where we're looking at

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findings of fact we note that this is
located in a traditional neighborhood 2

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zoning district and that according to
our table of uses appendix a

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um
short-term rentals are an interim use in

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that zoning District
in order

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for an interim use to be granted in this
zoning District

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short-term rentals must comply with the
following minimum standards as required

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by the section of code
the maximum rental period shall not be

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more than 28 consecutive nights the
applicant proposes the unit as a

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short-term rental that will not exceed
28 consecutive nights for a rental

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period
the permit holder slash owner

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of a short-term rental must apply for
and receive an interim use permit this

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application and process that we are
currently going through constitutes the

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applicant's attempt to apply for an
interim use permit for the operation of

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a short-term rental
the application for an interim use

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permit shall include the number of
bedrooms with dimensions and all other

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sleeping accommodations I will read
through these parts and then go through

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them a little more holistically because
this um

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application includes a lot of
redundancies so we have the number of

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bedrooms with dimensions and all other
sleeping accommodations

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the number of off street parking spaces
available to guests all accessory

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structures outdoor recreational features
available for guest use

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a pet garbage and noise policy and the
permit holder shall post emergency

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contact information police fire hospital
and show renters the location of fire

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extinguishers in the short-term rental
unit

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included in
each of these we have that the proposed

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short-term rental is a 900 square foot
unit with two bedrooms those bedrooms

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are 13 feet by 12 feet 6 inches and 10
feet by 12 feet 3 inches that will

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become important later as according to
occupancy for short-term rentals

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there's a limit of not more than three
people per bedroom according to section

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404.4.1

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of the property maintenance code each
bedroom shall contain not less than 70

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square feet and every bedroom occupied
by more than one person shall contain

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not less than 50 square feet of floor
area for each occupant thereof or

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whichever is less
thus the one bedroom is 162 square feet

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the other is 122 square feet both of
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100 square foot
requirement on those guest rooms

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thus
the number of bedrooms and the

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dimensions that are not only included
are included but they are also valid

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considerations for bedrooms
in a short-term rental

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the number of off street parking places
as noted in the rules for the particular

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rental
we have two off street parking spaces

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available one allocated in the driveway
and one in an alley loaded garage

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the only accessory structure available
for use is the garage and the

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rules policy for the
short-term rental clearly states that

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there are no pets allowed in the rent
short-term rental property garbage and

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recycling bins for use are located at
the rear of the property and collected

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every seven days by waste partners and
that there is a quiet hours imposed

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between 10 pm and 8 pm
the housing inspector upon inspection of

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the rental unit will also confirm that
any emergency information is

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posted at the unit
permit holder must disclose in writing

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to their renters the following
information

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contact information managing agent or
contacts name address and phone number

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and the agent shall be available 24
hours a day seven days a week whenever

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the property is being rented and
property contact will always be

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accessible to the public on the city
Brainerd website our applicant Mr

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stangler is the responsible party
and resides within 50 miles of the

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premises which is required for an agent
occupancy in the maximum allowed guests

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is listed within the rules as has been
previously discussed

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vehicles
maximum number of vehicles recreational

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vehicles and trailers allowed on the
property which needs to be noted and the

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rules clearly state that renters are not
allowed to park more than two vehicles

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at the premises at any one time in
designated off-street areas this would

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also include Vehicles such as trailers
as referenced

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barring any further questions
it is at this point no written

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communication has been
put forward to the community development

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director or our department with concerns
on this interim use permit

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um
yes I will hand over to James for our

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discussion of Staff recommendations very
good thank you Mr Edwards James please

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yeah so
um Dylan it's kind of summarized the

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findings of fact there what I'll be
discussing is just kind of a refresher

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on interim use permits and and kind of
the difference between a conditional use

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perm and interim use so interim uses are
similar to conditional uses in which

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they are allowed provided they meet the
conditions the city May attach whatever

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reasonable conditions are deemed
necessary to mitigate anticipated

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adverse impacts associated with the
proposed use so really the primary

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difference between an iup versus a cup
is that an iup can impose a date or

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event that will terminate the use also a
change in the city's zoning regulations

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can render the use non-conforming and it
terminates the interim use so those are

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a couple of the big differences
staff did forward an email from council

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member Johnson with concerns about the
short-term rental in opposition to the

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iup
um kind of a summary of that email from

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councilman Johnson is the Eda believing
stangler was building long-term housing

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awarded stangler property sixty thousand
dollars of government funds to create

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the housing stangler properties proposed
uh singular properties accepted the

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money to build housing I oppose the
interim use permit because I believe

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both units of this government Finance
duplex should be long-term housing

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options for people in our community
staff certainly understands the concerns

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from councilman Johnson housing is
something that Brainerd certainly a

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short on right now and as a major issue
facing the city and it is also an

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important goal of the comprehensive plan
however based on a review of the land

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use applications and the findings of
fact 515 South 9th Street has met all

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the conditions for a short-term rental
and staff recommends approval of the

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interim use permit with the following
conditions first one is an approved

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inspection by the fire marshal I'm
believe Dave Cox was going to be

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reaching out to Mr stangler for that
final review the fire marshal is

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required to do a yearly inspection on
short-term rentals

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second condition is the middle of the
local option sales tax form to the

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finance department which is a
requirement to the interim use and

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number three upon sale of the property
by Mr stangler property or by stangler

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Properties LLC the interim use permit
for a short-term rental at 515 9th

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Street South Brainerd Minnesota is no
longer valid

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so with that certainly can answer any
questions from the commission and Mr

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stangler is here if you have any
questions for the applicant very good

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thank you Mr cram Vic commission members
do we have any questions for staff

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either uh Mr Edwards or Mr kranvik at
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yes please Mr Gorham is this the third
time we've we've gone through this in

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the last two years or is the second time
because I know we've we've taught we

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discussed the property before so this
property has gone through two variance

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requests the first one expired came in
for a variance request because that

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first one expired for essentially the
same thing they were approved both times

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and then this one is for the short-term
rental okay

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did you mean short-term rentals or just
this property well just this property

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because I think it's three on short-term
rentals also if I'm not mistaken right

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and then we've gone through or at least
since I've been here a short-term rental

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on First Street and then two of them on
South 6th Street in the same unit as the

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triplex okay
pretty good any other questions for

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staff
Mr chair please I've got one and it's on

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the the third condition
um I I understand and I've seen cities

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do this where they say on sale the
property or transfer of the property

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this is owned by LLC though right
that's correct so someone could buy the

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LLC and
you could transfer that

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essentially yeah you could transfer it
from a company okay

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so this is really
not a condition

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if that were to be the case that they'd
actually buy the LLC okay I just I I'm

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it it

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yeah did our attorney like look at that
third condition and all like is that is

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that something you would run by him or
not because it

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I'm just it seems like a uh a thing that
we couldn't do but I've seen cities do

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it I'm just wondering if I didn't run it
by the City attorney certainly there

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could be a triggering effect or an end
date for an interim use permit um so

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that's my rationale behind it but uh
General

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can't attach conditions to to
individuals

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so you know like I can say like I
wouldn't allow you to do it but I'd

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allow you to do it it becomes
problematic yeah I could certainly run

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it by the City attorney before I really
even want to do it because

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like I said you if you're gonna transfer
it you would just sell the LLC and keep

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the name
okay I'm with you I don't care either

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way I just was interested in the thought
process yep I think that's definitely a

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um a good comment there okay
very good any other questions for staff

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okay uh this time I'm going to go ahead
and open the public hearing it does uh

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617 and we'll invite anyone who might
like to come forward including the

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applicant you don't have to but if you
would like to you can come forward uh

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I'm assuming we don't have anyone online
no one online so that leaves only you if

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you'd like to come forward again you
don't have to

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um but at this time the public hearing
is now open and I invite you for it if

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you'd like
thank you thank you very much just state

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your name and address please for the
record here my name is Eric stangler my

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address is 7384 Lone Oak Road in
Brainerd

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um
and so we just built this property last

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fall and
um well I guess I'll address one thing

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stangler properties is like I started
that with one little house and we owned

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many properties it's gonna get passed on
to my kids it's never going to be sold

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it's not like we're a huge corporation
but

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um as far as this uh property goes our
intent was always the same and that was

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to rent
for Extended Stay to traveling nurses

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and doctors or techs or whoever may be
coming to the hospital

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my wife worked in the ER or several
different locations from Essentia to

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Cayenne Regional Medical Center and the
Brainerd Lake Surgery Center and we saw

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that there was a huge need for like
those people that were traveling to stay

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um
so that was why we initially came up

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with the plan to build this property now
when we found out that there was a grant

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that was available that did not have any
strings attached to it and we could you

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know get that money I looked I think
there's over 20 HUD programs but they

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all have specific requirements
for what you can use that property for

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and this grant didn't have that so I
understand the council member's concern

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but as far as
us meeting the requirements I I guess I

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don't really see the the logic
um

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so the other thing is
the traveling nurses they go on a

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13-week rotation so we filled the one
unit right away the second unit didn't

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fill so all we're trying to do really is
bridge the gap so our intent is not to

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keep this as an Airbnb for
ever for as long as we own the property

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it's to get us to where we can keep
turning over

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Extended Stay traveling nurses doctors
or techs and so that's the intent I know

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it's kind of you know we furnish the
units and

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um you know we got a lot of extra money
stuck into them if we're going to do a

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long-term rental
we wouldn't have done that so we kind of

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and we can't go 13 weeks without renting
out an entire unit so that's why we're

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applying for the interim use to get us
to the point where we hopefully can find

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a
traveling nurses doctors whoever it may

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be to occupy the unit
very good thank you uh do we have any

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questions for our applicant just hang
out just one sec just in case

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yes please sure
can I restate what you said and just

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make sure that I understand sure
um you you're doing 13-week rentals to

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nurses but if you've got one that
doesn't fill you'd like the option to be

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able to do short-term rental until you
get the next 13 week one in

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well our so this is a two unit building
so the one you filled right away yeah

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yeah yeah and the other this one did not
so right we're applying for the permit

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to get us to the point where we can find
somebody that will fill that so our

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turnover with the the nurses we had a
doctor that was doing clinicals here

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first then we had a nurse and then that
nurse actually found another traveling

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nurse so we didn't really have any Gap
well

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the other unit hasn't filled so we're
applying for the permit so that we can

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at least generate some sort of income
out of that until we get to that point

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which hopefully we do until you get to
having a a trialing nurse or someone in

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there correct okay
okay and a little bit of background I

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mean we we bought the first rental the
first long short-term rental ever in uh

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Ironton cuyuna bike house and operated
that for a few years and then we sold

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that and turned a couple of smaller
units like these in Crosby in the

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short-term units and it's not all that
it's cracked up to be yes it makes a

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little bit more money we're trying to
transition even the ones in Crosby into

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these Extended Stays because there's so
many Travelers coming into our

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communities and they're staying at
hotels and this is better for them and

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it's better for the community in my
opinion

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good any other questions for the
applicant yes please Mr Duvall thank you

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Mr stangler um so you're describing that
you've had difficulty attracting

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qualifying long-term applicants is that
what you're implying for for the one

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unit that remains vacant
or

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yes so the intent is to do basically the
nurses doctors techs work when they're

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traveling they're on a 13-week schedule
so and those come in waves so we've

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filled the one unit we haven't been able
to fill this unit and that's why we're

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applying for the interim use
could you describe

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you know what what your efforts have
been to try and attract

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qualified applicants for for the housing
unit

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um well like I said my wife worked in
the medical field here all over the

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um City at Baxter Crosby and so she's
put out a lot of feelers with people

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that are still friends that she has that
still work in those areas we've also

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contacted the uh
um

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I forget the title now but basically who
who manages The Travelers at the

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hospital and you know if you have
somebody that's interested Point them

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our way and we just not have not been
able to fill this unit we haven't filled

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the other two we had one traveler over
in Crosby and then that fizzled out so

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it's been an uphill battle but I think
we're still optimistic that we can get

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all four units filled with Travelers and
do that in a way that uh is beneficial

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for the community and the hospital and
The Travelers so they're not staying in

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hotels while they're here
sure yes please

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um you know it it seems like you're
you're targeting a fairly narrow segment

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of potential renters for
for a couple bedroom

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bath units which are very desirable
rental units in the city of Brainerd I'm

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I'm I'm
wondering to what degree you're open to

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broadening
your potential

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list of candidates to to go beyond the
medical professionals to other families

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within the city or coming to the city
for long term and looking for long-term

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rental what are your what are your
thoughts on on broadening that

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that application that that
pool of people that you'd be trying to

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attract to fill your unit
we're 100 open to that and we have

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filled it with our units in Crosby when
they were working on the power line up

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there we had people that stayed at the
cuyuna bike house all winter long so

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we're willing to rent out to anyone
that's going to be staying long term

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the issue that we have is you know
construction is not cheap and the fact

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that we just built this building our
rents have to be a little bit higher

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than what a normal two-bedroom one-bath
rental property long-term rental would

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be in the city of Brainerd not to
mention we keep them furnished so you

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know if if we have a family that's going
to move in there for six years then we

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have to take the furniture out because
you know one thing about having

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short-term rentals is they get cleaned
every week or every other day or every

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couple weeks or whatever it is every 13
weeks and there's always issues you know

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even with these brand new ones I had to
fix a light like we're always in there

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keeping them in Tip-Top shape and so you
know our field of of what we're you know

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targeting is small but in order to even
more make the mortgage payments on a new

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construction in the city of anywhere
that's

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you know that was our intent that's how
we set up our financials for it and it

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was really the only way that we could
have done it

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you know and I and I understand
um and I I don't have uh you know any

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any qualms about the business model
you're using to try and get at

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you know managing the finances the books
to make this this build work out I I

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kind of get that
um I I think a couple things that strike

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me uh you know one is by by narrowing
down your

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narrowing down your focus whether you
may

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be running into the federal fair housing
act by by excluding people it's almost

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like choosing families over over
um

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individual tenants blending you know you
might be running crosswise there with

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federal fair housing act if you've not
looked into that already but the other

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point is that that you know the housing
study that was done a few years ago for

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Crow Wing County including brainer
really highlights the need for long-term

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Workforce housing and you're describing
members a section of the workforce of

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Brainerd you know the the Medical
Professional is a is a part of our

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Workforce in in here and and and the
need for providing long-term housing is

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pretty highlight highly identified as a
high priority in our in our housing

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study it's identified as a high priority
in our comprehensive plan and and what I

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what I see here is a proposal that's
actually taking

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long-term
Workforce housing out of the pool in

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returning it in a short term use that
doesn't really help us with the long

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Ledger sheet of Need for for Workforce
housing here in the in the city so

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that's a that's pretty much very much a
concern I guess that's a comment more

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than a question so thank you Mr Spangler
for your answers

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um I guess just to that I
you know our we're not I'm very well

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aware of the discriminating against
um and we're not saying that we're not

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turning people away the issue is the
price point that we need to be at in

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order to support the build that we did
um people that are doing long-term

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housing just aren't able to spend that
much on a rental unit so you know down

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the line you know this this building is
not going to be probably extended stay

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short term forever eventually it will
turn to long-term rental and it's a

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beautiful building it's built well and
it's going to be there for a long long

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time so you know I think this is just a
like a section of its life that we need

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to get it to where it needs to be and
then it'll be part of the housing pool

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in the city of Brainerd you know we're
not going to own this building for 30

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years it's
so yeah in the efforts that you describe

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to try and attract applicants really
came down to sort of word of mouth and

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and and and I didn't I didn't hear that
that you had advertised with a with a

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price point there my my guess is as a
landlord myself in the city that you you

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would find
qualified tenants that would meet your

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background criteria or your screening
criteria that that would be able to pay

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a higher end and look for something
that's nice like that you know because I

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agree with you it's a nice looking
building I've not been inside I've seen

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it in planned views during the 10 months
ago when you had that before so

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anyway I'll
if I could comment sure

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um so yes the we I guess I kind of lost
my train of thought but

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um
sorry I guess one thing I was going to

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say before that the fire marshal
actually was out yesterday too and did

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his inspection as well so I guess that
portion has already been done

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it's pretty good thank you any other
questions for the applicant

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okay thank you very much I'm going to go
ahead and close the public hearing at uh

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6 31 here and I'm going to bring it back
to us for a discussion so further

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requirement is granted and that it is
not used

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for that use for a period of time is
that an issue going back to using it for

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that does that make sense what I'm
asking James yeah so I I really looked

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at this uh
and considered you know how that would

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work you know the use is still a duplex
um so whether it's a rental or

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interviews obviously there's more
stringent conditions set upon the

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interim use permit with the public
hearing conditions that can be can be

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put upon it
um so unless there was a triggering

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event in staff's interpretation where uh
you know say say it's a short-term

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rental and then you know the Planning
Commission wanted to put a trigger in

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advance saying that once it's a long
term or Extended Stay then the interim

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use is void
um really I think what we did what we

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work well with the applicant is that
he'd have to notify staff when it's when

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it's being used as a as a long-term
rental versus a short-term rental

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okay so there's nothing like inherent
unless we decide to put something there

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that that's all staff's interpreting it
okay

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hmm
you know quick questions for staff

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otherwise we can discuss amongst
ourselves here yes please Mr Duvall Mr

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chair I'd like to make a motion please
to deny the interim use permit for

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um 15 or 515 9th Street South in
Brainerd

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or short-term rental application all
right we have a motion

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their second

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second we have a motion in this in a
second

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um
is there any discussion on this Mr chair

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yes please I would just ask what what
would be the findings

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that would support the motion

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Mr chair if I may yes please
um the findings of fact that I would

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offer are that the variance
application that was approved 10 months

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previous
findings of fact there were

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supporting the application for a
variance at that time that was findings

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of fact three B which stated when
variances are consistent with the comp

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plan staff believes this variance
requests are supported by goal one of

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chapter three of the comprehensive plan
which states provide a diverse mix of

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housing choices for all stages of Life
income ranges and ownership rental

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preferences and they highlighted
specifically policy five which says

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ensure an adequate supply of quality in
affordable housing units for current and

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future residents and and what's proposed
here tonight does not support the

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findings of fact that we offered in
support of the variants in

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um
September 21st 2022.

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Mr chair please yeah go ahead guys I
actually have a

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different take than you
and and when I look at

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people trying to provide housing that
would be Workforce housing that would be

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housing that
um you know could could fill this kind

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of need that we're talking about with
the the traveling nurses but also fill

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needs for people who are kind of at a
startup position in life

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there's a there's there's time in that
market when you're going to have

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00:34:50,399 --> 00:34:55,679
vacancies there's time when you're going
to have extended vacancies and the idea

431
00:34:54,720 --> 00:35:00,240
that
you would not be allowed to do a

432
00:34:58,380 --> 00:35:04,800
short-term rental on that or an interim
an interim type rental what it does is

433
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:09,359
it makes a higher burden for people
wanting to provide that particular

434
00:35:06,599 --> 00:35:13,260
product and for me I think if we want
more of that product we should give the

435
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:16,859
people who are providing that product a
lot more options to fill those gaps it's

436
00:35:15,300 --> 00:35:21,839
going to bring more people into the
market it's going to make uh you know it

437
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:24,540
easier for people to do that and
actually think that the outcome you're

438
00:35:23,339 --> 00:35:28,560
worried about which is we're going to
have less

439
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:32,940
Workforce housing if we allow this type
of use I actually think we're going to

440
00:35:30,720 --> 00:35:38,280
have more Workforce housing if we allow
this type of use as a supplemental

441
00:35:35,339 --> 00:35:42,780
for people in the gaps to fill in those
gaps when they have short-term Revenue

442
00:35:40,740 --> 00:35:49,040
problems
Mr chair if I may respond to that and I

443
00:35:45,119 --> 00:35:49,040
and I agree very much with the the

444
00:35:49,859 --> 00:35:58,640
idea you're expressing Mr Marone and I I
think what we have no control over is

445
00:35:56,040 --> 00:36:01,380
whether that short-term rental
goes towards

446
00:36:00,780 --> 00:36:08,300
um
medical professionals who are transitory

447
00:36:05,220 --> 00:36:12,720
in our in our community or
VRBO or

448
00:36:11,099 --> 00:36:17,820
um
Airbnb I think was the phrase that that

449
00:36:15,599 --> 00:36:21,359
the applicant had used here is sort of
the platforms that it turns into

450
00:36:19,500 --> 00:36:26,579
vacation rental space and the vacation
rental space is what

451
00:36:23,660 --> 00:36:32,579
detracts from meeting our Workforce
housing needs and we have no control

452
00:36:28,740 --> 00:36:37,200
over saying you can only rent to
Workforce people in our community right

453
00:36:34,980 --> 00:36:41,480
and if we say short-term rentals are
okay and that's and that's the part that

454
00:36:39,359 --> 00:36:46,500
I'm getting and I fully agree with you
in the the other aspects of the

455
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:50,579
workforce Community out there and the
way to fill in these slots in our in our

456
00:36:49,260 --> 00:36:55,020
rentals
Mr chair and I I I I get where you're

457
00:36:54,060 --> 00:36:59,400
coming from
I I don't know as I would

458
00:36:57,900 --> 00:37:02,820
if we were talking about like a lake
home or something

459
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:07,619
maybe we could find some common ground
on that one but you know this is not

460
00:37:05,099 --> 00:37:12,780
this is not going to be a high end
vacation rental

461
00:37:09,900 --> 00:37:17,820
so I I you know just PR in practicality
applying that particular concern to this

462
00:37:15,240 --> 00:37:23,220
property to me it would be a little bit
overstated like I don't think that I the

463
00:37:20,339 --> 00:37:28,560
the likelihood of that is very strong
I'd be interested to know what

464
00:37:26,940 --> 00:37:35,339
what the
um rental history is for the other

465
00:37:32,460 --> 00:37:39,660
two vrbos that we have or excuse me
there's two other short-term rental

466
00:37:37,260 --> 00:37:45,599
permitted properties we have here which
are not Waterfront beach front I think

467
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:49,440
once up on North End and one's on on the
south end of town and not exactly what

468
00:37:47,700 --> 00:37:52,619
you'd think of as vacation property but
it's a place to

469
00:37:51,540 --> 00:37:58,800
anyway
very good thank you further discussion

470
00:37:56,940 --> 00:38:02,760
yes please Mr Corner yeah one question
when the um maybe uh staff could help me

471
00:38:00,839 --> 00:38:07,020
on this when the study was done looking
at Workforce housing and how to address

472
00:38:04,380 --> 00:38:09,960
it was um was short-term housing ever a
part of it in other words with the sixty

473
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:16,320
thousand dollars that was allocated here
65 whatever it was was was there uh a

474
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:19,680
need um recognized to provide for
short-term housing in other words was

475
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:23,880
that part of the equation
um that the funders had

476
00:38:21,900 --> 00:38:28,740
from the initiative Foundation funding
so I don't believe I don't believe that

477
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:33,540
uh was part of it I'd have to go into
the the study to see if there's anything

478
00:38:31,260 --> 00:38:36,359
related short-term rental in Crow Wing
County study I'm not I don't know that

479
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:39,720
offhand
because I think they're just to continue

480
00:38:37,740 --> 00:38:42,240
I think I think there might be a valid I
think there is a valid market for it but

481
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:45,780
we don't understand it I don't
understand you know we don't understand

482
00:38:43,980 --> 00:38:48,780
how big it is or maybe it's just so
small we shouldn't be concerned about it

483
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:53,760
I don't know
and uh but I I can see how it is

484
00:38:51,540 --> 00:38:59,099
something can help fill a niche but also
can see how it's something that could

485
00:38:56,520 --> 00:39:02,640
um say well let's take in these uh
short-term things at a higher rate than

486
00:39:01,140 --> 00:39:06,900
as opposed to having to turn to Market
and provide the real long-term housing

487
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:11,640
we need which was probably the intention
behind the initiative Foundation

488
00:39:08,940 --> 00:39:17,160
so that's my thinking
anyhow thank you

489
00:39:13,859 --> 00:39:20,880
other comments questions
okay well I'm just going to jump in with

490
00:39:18,780 --> 00:39:24,660
my thoughts here uh when I've when I
first saw this come through I will admit

491
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:28,440
that this landed on me all wrong mostly
because of my background with deed and

492
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:33,599
being part of the group that
gave the sixty thousand dollars or was

493
00:39:30,720 --> 00:39:38,040
was a part of that in initially when I
when I first reacted to this it landed

494
00:39:35,460 --> 00:39:42,960
on me all wrong also
um and to your point uh I know um Mr

495
00:39:41,099 --> 00:39:46,560
stangler that you've said that there was
nothing on you know in that application

496
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:50,820
that prevented you from doing this but I
would also just like to ask staff to

497
00:39:48,660 --> 00:39:53,700
just follow up with that and just verify
with the people of deed to make sure

498
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:57,599
that there isn't something that we're
missing here which disqualifies this

499
00:39:55,500 --> 00:40:00,720
type of use
um

500
00:39:58,260 --> 00:40:04,320
and then coming and that being said
that's not really a part of what's in

501
00:40:01,980 --> 00:40:08,640
front of us tonight totally get that
um that being said I've also kind of

502
00:40:06,900 --> 00:40:12,359
been on both sides of the fence of this
I've been a part of the long-term

503
00:40:10,140 --> 00:40:17,940
long-term housing conversation been a
big proponent of that still am but I've

504
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:21,960
also noticed that myself in in sitting
in other city meetings with short-term

505
00:40:20,099 --> 00:40:26,040
rentals and
um uh have been going through life

506
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:31,800
somewhat per blind with what these what
what these uh what these types of

507
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:36,720
dwellings really can do for a community
so uh while I would probably prefer to

508
00:40:34,859 --> 00:40:40,980
have a long-term residence here I also
understand the need for people who are

509
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:44,700
moving in between residences people who
are only in town for short-term work

510
00:40:42,599 --> 00:40:49,980
traveling service providers seasonal
visitors people who have lost their home

511
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:53,880
due to fire or to other construction
issues or kicked out of their house for

512
00:40:51,900 --> 00:40:58,380
construction issues and there's also a
whole list of people who need short-term

513
00:40:55,560 --> 00:41:01,380
Living For Life circumstances things
beyond their control that happen in

514
00:40:59,820 --> 00:41:05,940
their life that force them to move out
of their house or their dwelling without

515
00:41:03,060 --> 00:41:09,540
with very short notice so
um

516
00:41:06,780 --> 00:41:14,040
I can I can also see that there's a need
for this also in a short term in our

517
00:41:11,579 --> 00:41:18,200
community I will always come back to the
fact that what concerns me most is

518
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:23,460
behavior
and what I see visually with my eyes

519
00:41:21,660 --> 00:41:27,420
when I look at a property this means
upkeep whether it be by an owner that's

520
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:31,200
a renter or a long-term owner and
behavior whether it is a rental or a

521
00:41:29,460 --> 00:41:37,020
long-term owner because believe me we
have good and both in both good and bad

522
00:41:33,900 --> 00:41:41,220
in both scenarios some of our most
problematic people that come before us

523
00:41:38,700 --> 00:41:48,420
are long-term owner occupiers we we know
this right so I guess where I'm at on

524
00:41:44,579 --> 00:41:54,780
this is is I'm struggling I find that
taking the path of saying that this

525
00:41:51,780 --> 00:41:59,820
doesn't fit our our comprehensive plan
is a bit of a reach for me personally

526
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:04,200
I'm very close to neutral on this and
that's why I'm going to be asking for a

527
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:09,440
roll call vote on this but that's that's
kind of where I am and I I think that uh

528
00:42:06,780 --> 00:42:13,680
just generally we need to to be a little
generally more open-minded that

529
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:16,980
short-term rental doesn't mean keggers
every weekend and trash in the street so

530
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:21,960
I think there's there are other
functions behind that so yeah

531
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:26,700
um if there's uh yes please
Mr Norwood

532
00:42:23,460 --> 00:42:28,820
sorry I'm dying
um

533
00:42:29,099 --> 00:42:34,400
currently I'm in the position of not
supporting the motion

534
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:34,400
um

535
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:43,880
under the premise of the
it's difficult there's other ways to

536
00:42:40,260 --> 00:42:51,540
skin the cat so I agree
with the the motioner but

537
00:42:47,940 --> 00:42:55,020
there's there's I agree but I can't
support it

538
00:42:53,220 --> 00:42:59,060
if that makes sense
it doesn't make sense I've been there

539
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,060
many times

540
00:43:00,540 --> 00:43:06,359
further discussion okay we have a motion
to deny I just want to be clear make

541
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:10,079
sure everyone's got this straight we
have a motion to deny in a second uh so

542
00:43:08,940 --> 00:43:15,420
and we're going to be voting by roll
call if you vote if you vote Yes you're

543
00:43:12,300 --> 00:43:20,760
voting for a denial of this iup if you
vote no you are voting uh to uh to allow

544
00:43:18,300 --> 00:43:23,880
the iup to happen okay does that sound
right everyone all right very good I

545
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:28,800
feel like there should be a separate
motion very good

546
00:43:26,700 --> 00:43:32,160
if this one doesn't pass
okay so would you how would you like to

547
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:35,220
play this would you like to vote first
and then make a motion after this motion

548
00:43:33,720 --> 00:43:37,980
and then we can have a second one very
good

549
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:41,940
all right here we go drum roll everyone
and Mr cramp go ahead James is going to

550
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:46,260
uh call the roll
maroon a post

551
00:43:44,099 --> 00:43:50,160
Gorham no
Duvall yes

552
00:43:48,180 --> 00:43:56,280
Norwood no
onwald no staying line yes Jaeger and

553
00:43:54,119 --> 00:44:02,940
that's no
so I would I would make a motion uh to

554
00:43:59,700 --> 00:44:07,319
uh recommend the the interim use permit
be approved based on the findings

555
00:44:05,339 --> 00:44:10,920
provided by staff
with the three conditions recommended by

556
00:44:09,780 --> 00:44:15,660
staff
I would add to the third condition since

557
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:20,160
we're we're going down this road anyway
we might as well go all the way I would

558
00:44:17,940 --> 00:44:25,859
say upon sale the property by stangler
Properties LLC comma or transfer of

559
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:30,540
ownership within stangler Properties LLC
comma the interim use permit for

560
00:44:28,020 --> 00:44:36,240
short-term rental da da
Mr chair yes please would the motion or

561
00:44:33,900 --> 00:44:44,339
be open to an amendment to that motion
to include a two-year term on the permit

562
00:44:40,260 --> 00:44:49,020
to expired December 31st 2025.
point of order yes uh point of order

563
00:44:47,099 --> 00:44:54,980
just for a second
and I'll second the motion

564
00:44:50,880 --> 00:45:02,300
okay just so that way it got it yeah
I respect what you're asking but no I

565
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:02,300
don't really feel a need to do that

566
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:10,319
all right so we have a new and exciting
motion and a second on the table here is

567
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:14,460
there any uh further discussion
it

568
00:45:11,700 --> 00:45:18,119
I know I seconded it but
where Mr Duvall was headed is the

569
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:24,300
general direction of where I was headed
for you just beat me to make an emotion

570
00:45:21,599 --> 00:45:28,319
and so so you're saying head your bets
two years we'll look at it again if it's

571
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:32,640
not a problem I I the reason I wouldn't
do that is because I feel like we're

572
00:45:29,940 --> 00:45:39,780
just adding
I mean the petitioner was suggesting

573
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:44,040
that there is a time delay as to fulfill
the proposed

574
00:45:42,180 --> 00:45:47,579
business plan
so you're saying in two years that delay

575
00:45:45,780 --> 00:45:50,359
should be resolved and then this is not
needed I

576
00:45:50,700 --> 00:45:57,660
the the timing is as far as the timing
it

577
00:45:55,859 --> 00:46:03,119
I'm indifferent to the timing I just
believe that it needed a close date

578
00:45:59,819 --> 00:46:08,760
and so if
if Mr Duvall is asking for a did you say

579
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:13,560
two years two years expiring December
31st 2025.

580
00:46:11,460 --> 00:46:18,780
that's I've go ahead I'm indifferent to
the the time I'm that's the debatable

581
00:46:16,500 --> 00:46:22,200
part that we can
uh well I can tell you where I am on

582
00:46:20,339 --> 00:46:24,960
that debate we've allowed to my
knowledge we have approved two of these

583
00:46:23,460 --> 00:46:28,319
in the last 24 months into my knowledge
that condition wasn't attached to either

584
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:37,800
one of those two so my concern is is
that we are unfairly or or perhaps uh on

585
00:46:34,460 --> 00:46:40,859
we are in we're doing this in a way that
is not

586
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:45,800
um in in alignment with the way that we
have approved the other so that's my

587
00:46:42,060 --> 00:46:51,960
concern with attaching uh and forgive me
was that in a tn2

588
00:46:48,599 --> 00:46:57,060
agreed yeah Mr chair if there's a Nexus
between what the applicant has said his

589
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:59,640
business plan is and what you know other
Commissioners would want that would help

590
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:04,680
us get to
a recommendation I'm I'm fine

591
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:08,160
considering it but I I guess
I'm kind of with you like I like let's

592
00:47:06,900 --> 00:47:12,480
just
we're gonna do it let's do it

593
00:47:10,740 --> 00:47:16,980
uh well it's on you you're being asked
to change your motion

594
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:19,859
yeah and I guess maybe I'm doing a straw
full like is this going to be like is

595
00:47:18,720 --> 00:47:23,040
everyone going to vote against this
because like it'll be here all night

596
00:47:21,180 --> 00:47:27,720
maybe let's call the question and if
people will not vote for this one then

597
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:30,660
uh I'll change it I'd like to also
remind this commission that we are

598
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:36,359
advisory so yeah whatever the outcome is
of this um city council ultimately will

599
00:47:33,240 --> 00:47:41,480
be making the decision on this but uh I
would encourage us to just uh pull the

600
00:47:38,579 --> 00:47:41,480
trigger on something here

601
00:47:43,140 --> 00:47:49,800
so I'm not hearing a Amendment to the
motion so we're going to do this by roll

602
00:47:47,099 --> 00:47:54,960
call also now one more time if you vote
uh yes in favor of this you are agreeing

603
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:58,680
to allow the interim use permit to be
permitted if you vote no you are voting

604
00:47:57,540 --> 00:48:01,560
no and remember that there were three
conditions the third one was briefly

605
00:48:00,359 --> 00:48:05,040
modified I'm not going to go into the
details of that any questions on this

606
00:48:03,180 --> 00:48:12,920
before we roll call this
all right James here we go maroon yes

607
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:20,520
Gorham yes Duvall yes Norwood yes
gruenwald yes staying line yes Jaeger

608
00:48:17,339 --> 00:48:24,420
yes wow oh there we go
very good thank you

609
00:48:22,079 --> 00:48:28,200
um will you please Mr cranbic just kind
of let the applicant know what uh what's

610
00:48:26,099 --> 00:48:33,839
going to happen next next steps yep so
this will go to the next city council

611
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:38,040
meeting which is on August 7th and they
will vote for an approval or denial of

612
00:48:35,819 --> 00:48:42,480
the interim use permit very good thank
you Mr cram Victor thank you for coming

613
00:48:40,859 --> 00:48:46,380
thank you okay we're going to move on to
uh item 7B this is the consideration of

614
00:48:44,819 --> 00:48:49,380
allowing mixed-use buildings in the
commercial Corridor District Mr kramvick

615
00:48:48,300 --> 00:48:53,460
please
yes thank you Mr chair uh so just a

616
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:57,060
brief summary at the June 28th Eda
Workshop staff proposed allowing

617
00:48:55,380 --> 00:49:01,140
mixed-use development in the commercial
Corridor District to incentivize

618
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:05,280
Redevelopment in the district and to
maximize housing opportunities for

619
00:49:02,819 --> 00:49:10,920
potential developers kind of along with
this as well staff is also proposing and

620
00:49:08,220 --> 00:49:14,400
the Eda is uh
you had a kind of a general consensus at

621
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:18,480
the workshop that they're interested in
creating a a similar River to rails

622
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:21,839
District along the commercial Corridor
District part of the commercial Corridor

623
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:24,980
district is already in the river Trails
but extending it kind of all the way to

624
00:49:23,579 --> 00:49:30,660
the Cub Food area
the river Trails District just is kind

625
00:49:27,540 --> 00:49:35,880
of a reminder waves all building permit
fees up to 150 000 of construction value

626
00:49:33,599 --> 00:49:40,970
as well as waving sack and whack and
park dedication fees so one of the

627
00:49:39,420 --> 00:49:45,920
things that the Eda
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628
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:50,220
the workshop had directed staff to do
was to talk with Brainerd Public

629
00:49:48,720 --> 00:49:55,819
Utilities as well as our public works
department to see if the utilities can

630
00:49:51,960 --> 00:50:01,079
handle waving sack and whack fees but
so so staff will be doing that tomorrow

631
00:49:58,079 --> 00:50:04,619
but tonight's consideration is whether
mixed use development could be done in

632
00:50:03,060 --> 00:50:09,960
the commercial Corridor District as well
staff would look at that this is similar

633
00:50:07,020 --> 00:50:14,160
to The Main Street District in which the
first floor residents units are

634
00:50:11,819 --> 00:50:20,040
prohibited so right now our Main Street
District runs from Front Street down to

635
00:50:16,380 --> 00:50:24,300
the mid block of maybe Norwood and Oak
Street and then from 5th Street to a

636
00:50:22,020 --> 00:50:28,800
street so essentially no residential is
allowed on the first floor that's

637
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:32,579
essentially how staff sees as a
potential for the commercial Corridor

638
00:50:30,180 --> 00:50:37,680
District I did include in the second
page here

639
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:41,760
an example so this is Moorhead this is a
city where I grew up so this is First

640
00:50:39,900 --> 00:50:47,220
Avenue North it's a I think a pretty
good representation of what we kind of

641
00:50:45,240 --> 00:50:51,980
see with Highway 210 this is kind of a
Gateway into Moorhead and in a similar

642
00:50:49,319 --> 00:50:57,300
location in in and close around downtown
you see here is a 2008 picture pretty

643
00:50:55,559 --> 00:51:02,400
sparse development there's a the
railroads actually on the left hand side

644
00:50:59,119 --> 00:51:09,000
some industrial uses over there if you
go down to the 2002 picture here's a

645
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:12,420
picture the the appear to allow complete
residential on the left-hand side but

646
00:51:10,500 --> 00:51:16,440
there is a mixed use development that
was was created on the right hand side

647
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:21,119
so besides allowing more residential
into this kind of Gateway into Moorhead

648
00:51:18,660 --> 00:51:24,300
it also really spurred development from
some of the existing businesses that

649
00:51:22,740 --> 00:51:28,079
aren't mixed mixed-use development
there's a brewery that kind of expanded

650
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:30,900
and doubled in size because of the
amount of residents that are in here and

651
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:35,400
then there's also a number of other
businesses that because the amount of

652
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:39,720
residents that are in this area it
really spurred development and and has

653
00:51:37,859 --> 00:51:43,380
kind of revitalized this whole Gateway
into Moorhead so just kind of a quick

654
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:46,500
example and this is really just a
discussion topic tonight

655
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:50,760
um you know seeing if Planning
Commission does want a direct staff to

656
00:51:48,300 --> 00:51:54,540
look further into potential potentially
allowing mixed-use development in the

657
00:51:52,380 --> 00:51:57,599
commercial Corridor District right now
it's just essentially a business

658
00:51:55,920 --> 00:52:01,680
district
um and there is no parking requirements

659
00:52:00,359 --> 00:52:06,240
in the commercial Corridor District so
that would some you know maybe have to

660
00:52:03,359 --> 00:52:09,599
be some type of consideration
um but with that I'll turn it over to

661
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:13,980
the Planning Commission you did see
there's a there are currently five

662
00:52:11,940 --> 00:52:17,460
mixed-use development buildings within
the commercial Corridor District those

663
00:52:15,780 --> 00:52:20,760
are considered legal non-conforming at
this at this time but I'll turn it over

664
00:52:19,140 --> 00:52:25,200
to the Planning Commission for any
comments or Direction very good thank

665
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:29,400
you Mr cranvik
all right guys any uh

666
00:52:27,420 --> 00:52:35,900
questions comments
considerations discussion

667
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,900
I think it's a great idea

668
00:52:35,940 --> 00:52:42,680
they've been through that area in
Moorhead

669
00:52:39,240 --> 00:52:42,680
properly went to that Brewery

670
00:52:42,780 --> 00:52:52,880
probably I can admit to anything but
it's it's um it's pretty amazing the

671
00:52:49,380 --> 00:52:52,880
amount of people are all walking around

672
00:52:54,540 --> 00:53:00,240
are you envisioning this as a
conditional use

673
00:52:57,540 --> 00:53:03,480
or as a so yeah mixed use development is
a conditional use kind of throughout all

674
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:07,380
of our districts so it ended up being a
conditional use yeah okay

675
00:53:08,220 --> 00:53:15,240
I think that's the key for me also
hugely powerful tool but

676
00:53:13,380 --> 00:53:18,420
it's allowed but we're you know then
allowed to attach conditions to better

677
00:53:16,740 --> 00:53:23,880
control
any other questions for staff comments

678
00:53:21,839 --> 00:53:29,099
Mr chair yes please Mr Gorham my
question a lot of it uh to you Mr

679
00:53:26,819 --> 00:53:32,400
krampik sent us around what is
Washington Street going to look like

680
00:53:30,240 --> 00:53:35,760
when the when the redo is done in other
words is it going to be the kind of

681
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:38,160
street that will actually support what
we're trying to do I like that you have

682
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:42,059
mixed use on there I think that's
tremendous I think it's something we've

683
00:53:40,140 --> 00:53:47,040
kind of talked about before of trying to
turn Washington Street and slow it down

684
00:53:44,119 --> 00:53:52,079
and get more out of it and create a more
hospitable place and the question is do

685
00:53:50,220 --> 00:53:56,040
we think the highway plan as presented
so far I guess it's done at this point

686
00:53:53,819 --> 00:53:59,579
is it going to support it
you know that's something I can bring up

687
00:53:58,079 --> 00:54:02,700
with the public works department as well
our city engineer to get his thoughts on

688
00:54:01,079 --> 00:54:07,079
that part and certainly provide a report
kind of on the the next part if we do

689
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:10,740
bring some type of draft ordinance
um I think you know to your point of

690
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:14,819
trying to slow traffic down you know
right now some of these places and you

691
00:54:12,839 --> 00:54:18,780
see you see in the the 2008 picture it's
just these large expanses and you know

692
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:22,260
the more you have these large expanses
the you know it kind of feels almost

693
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:27,180
more like a super highway that's going
through here you know traffic speeds up

694
00:54:24,300 --> 00:54:30,780
you know one of our con or one of our
conditions within the commercial

695
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:35,640
Corridor district is to bring buildings
closer also adding height is going to

696
00:54:33,359 --> 00:54:39,720
kind of frame this and and I think you
know have the desired effect of

697
00:54:37,319 --> 00:54:44,520
potentially you know helping slow
traffic or calm traffic slightly

698
00:54:42,780 --> 00:54:49,440
thank you
yes sure yeah Brent can you freeze that

699
00:54:47,099 --> 00:54:53,420
picture for just a second
um

700
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:58,319
wouldn't it be cool if you had like a
Skyway across and you know thinking

701
00:54:56,220 --> 00:55:03,599
about the thinking about the Washington
example I mean being able to join these

702
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:10,020
kinds of buildings to to to provide
another way across a busy

703
00:55:06,599 --> 00:55:15,480
State Highway in addition to all of the
the things that are in the design for

704
00:55:11,900 --> 00:55:20,099
2025 or 2026 reconstruction of
Washington Street so this this kind of

705
00:55:17,940 --> 00:55:23,339
what you see there would lend itself to
being able to to give you that

706
00:55:21,720 --> 00:55:29,579
alternative and you can imagine those
being a publicly accessible uh maybe

707
00:55:26,579 --> 00:55:33,599
it's a stairwell elevator system on the
corner of those buildings that gets you

708
00:55:31,740 --> 00:55:39,359
crossed as well so it's also going to be
able to serve our Ada folks as well so

709
00:55:36,180 --> 00:55:43,079
just a comment about ways to that that
could help us

710
00:55:40,980 --> 00:55:47,880
we do actually have a couple of examples
of kind of what this looks like when

711
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:53,220
both The Sawmill Sawmill which has main
floor commercial residential above as

712
00:55:50,460 --> 00:55:57,180
well as the bicycle shop same similar
kind of concept sitting close to the

713
00:55:54,839 --> 00:56:02,780
road commercial on the bottom storefront
on the bottom residential on top so it's

714
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:02,780
kind of a little bit the look

715
00:56:02,819 --> 00:56:11,160
any other discussion
um Mr chair yes please I'm I'm

716
00:56:08,180 --> 00:56:16,559
enthusiastically in support of the idea
of mixed use in this area I

717
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:21,059
I think this is rather hideous in a lot
of ways

718
00:56:18,059 --> 00:56:26,640
um just from a design standpoint and I
mean if you

719
00:56:22,980 --> 00:56:33,059
if the idea is we want to restrict the
first floor to Commercial and the rest

720
00:56:28,980 --> 00:56:38,099
be residential I I've seen a lot of
success where instead of doing it that

721
00:56:35,700 --> 00:56:41,819
way you actually have
what would be a very light architectural

722
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:44,940
standard
uh not the kind of architectural

723
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:49,200
standard where you're speccing the type
of siding and the color and all that but

724
00:56:46,980 --> 00:56:55,500
you're expecting where the door opens up
onto uh how wide the ground floor units

725
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:59,579
can be so you don't get kind of a
monolithic you know thing if you look at

726
00:56:57,839 --> 00:57:03,119
the building on the left it's actually
pushed back quite a bit from Where the

727
00:57:01,260 --> 00:57:06,960
Sidewalk would be and the openings are
not on that side so if you're walking

728
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:12,059
through there it's kind of as almost as
desolate as it was in the pre-picture

729
00:57:09,260 --> 00:57:15,900
there's really no interaction on the
other side you get a little bit of

730
00:57:13,500 --> 00:57:20,040
interaction but the doors are on the
side of the building not on the street

731
00:57:17,460 --> 00:57:24,420
side and so you lose that kind of
connectivity

732
00:57:21,900 --> 00:57:29,880
I I tried one in Greenville South
Carolina not too long ago where they had

733
00:57:27,180 --> 00:57:34,440
a similar concept but on the first floor
they were very flexible about

734
00:57:31,800 --> 00:57:38,040
residential and Commercial and they were
they didn't have enough commercial to

735
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:41,760
fill the space initially and so they had
a couple that were residential on the

736
00:57:39,420 --> 00:57:45,960
first floor but they from the street
wise they opened up the same way and

737
00:57:43,619 --> 00:57:49,859
they looked the same way and I talked to
the developer and he's like yeah as soon

738
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:54,300
as we fill these we're going to make
these commercial too but again kind of

739
00:57:52,260 --> 00:57:57,839
like with the last one it was a way to
cash flow it in the interim because

740
00:57:56,339 --> 00:58:02,099
there was more residential demand than
there was commercial demand I also you

741
00:58:00,540 --> 00:58:07,920
know step back and look at the second
and third stories and

742
00:58:05,099 --> 00:58:12,540
yes you know having them as residences
is really great but when you allow them

743
00:58:10,079 --> 00:58:18,660
the flexibility to also be office or
something else again you you just get a

744
00:58:15,660 --> 00:58:22,280
building that functions more like the
Easy Rider store would have functioned

745
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:25,500
historically or the the the
Samoan with a function historically

746
00:58:24,420 --> 00:58:30,960
where
you're kind of

747
00:58:28,260 --> 00:58:34,980
you know whatever works as long as it's
at this scale

748
00:58:32,940 --> 00:58:39,780
I think what we'd want to get away from
is the idea that like on the left you'd

749
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:46,260
have one big wall for a you know 500
feet with no uh no you know no breakup

750
00:58:44,220 --> 00:58:49,799
in the continuity no human interaction
because that just kills your your

751
00:58:48,119 --> 00:58:54,180
walkability
so I'm enthusiastic but I wouldn't I

752
00:58:52,859 --> 00:58:58,920
wouldn't approach it the way that it's
being recommended I would tweak

753
00:58:56,520 --> 00:59:02,000
the standard a little bit uh from what
is being recommended

754
00:59:04,319 --> 00:59:12,480
all the comments so so basically
broadening the staff assignment to

755
00:59:10,260 --> 00:59:15,299
to bring in some sort of architectural
considerations

756
00:59:14,520 --> 00:59:18,900
um
in addition to just sort of that

757
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:23,640
residential use
as they're proposal yeah I I feel like

758
00:59:20,940 --> 00:59:27,059
developers would be more open to
it kind of standard that allow them a

759
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:32,760
lot of flexibility and use in exchange
for a little bit of um

760
00:59:29,940 --> 00:59:37,619
you know design requirements
and we talked about stepping back upper

761
00:59:35,460 --> 00:59:41,520
floors a certain distance in some of our
previous conversations through the comp

762
00:59:39,299 --> 00:59:46,020
plan and and the development of the
ordinance here

763
00:59:42,660 --> 00:59:49,980
right that that storefront and maybe you
step back from the street on the next

764
00:59:47,940 --> 00:59:55,500
level up or maybe two levels up and
gives you less of that that wall effect

765
00:59:52,920 --> 01:00:00,299
and more texture if you would a visual
texture to the wall it would depend on

766
00:59:57,780 --> 01:00:04,500
the the place
um you know if you have a wide Street

767
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:09,299
width you can go quite a bit up before
it starts to feel that way

768
01:00:06,540 --> 01:00:12,660
on a narrower Street you you've got some
height

769
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:17,040
yeah the height would be different
but in this Zone I mean I you could go

770
01:00:15,420 --> 01:00:20,880
three or four stories before you had
that effect

771
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:25,440
in any way
commercials Corridor correct is

772
01:00:22,980 --> 01:00:29,520
Washington Street
yep that's correct so commercial

773
01:00:26,819 --> 01:00:33,660
corridor from the river to about the Cub
Food area that's that's considered

774
01:00:31,559 --> 01:00:37,020
commercial Corridor Cub Food then would
be General commercial any kind of kind

775
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:40,799
of the certain models around it and then
once you cross the river that's General

776
01:00:38,460 --> 01:00:44,640
commercial as well so we have some
defined

777
01:00:42,020 --> 01:00:48,599
parameters within the road in the the
width of what we're talking about yeah

778
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:52,140
you generally I mean it's a kind of a
three to one six to one ratio of width

779
01:00:51,180 --> 01:00:56,400
to height
gives you a good proportions so you

780
01:00:54,359 --> 01:01:00,859
wouldn't you wouldn't want to
step back until you exceeded that

781
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:06,079
and that's a pretty big building

782
01:01:07,319 --> 01:01:13,619
yes please Mr cranbic yeah so I do think
Mr Marone made some some excellent

783
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:16,680
comments there on the building look
certainly when I look at the building on

784
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:20,040
the left-hand side you know there's
really no interest to that and and uh

785
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:24,180
you know it doesn't look like a
particularly pleasing building

786
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:26,760
um I know just getting the resonance
down here is what really has spurred

787
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:32,339
development to some of the other
buildings so kind of my recommendation

788
01:01:29,460 --> 01:01:37,440
with this is uh we haven't really talked
about you know kind of next steps after

789
01:01:34,260 --> 01:01:39,839
our parking ordinance so and I do have
that in my staff report where the

790
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:44,579
parking commission will be meeting
August 2nd to go over the parking

791
01:01:42,780 --> 01:01:48,180
ordinance and then at the August meeting
we'll bring the draft of the parking

792
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:53,040
ordinance and then there's kind of next
steps on what we work on next

793
01:01:50,579 --> 01:01:57,540
um so staff was going to recommend
actually looking at our design standards

794
01:01:55,440 --> 01:02:02,400
um at our next one and and taking a look
in our in our general development and

795
01:01:59,339 --> 01:02:06,359
design standards so I think this would
be a relatively easy one adding mixed

796
01:02:04,500 --> 01:02:10,260
use to the commercial Corridor but if we
did those in conjunction function with

797
01:02:07,859 --> 01:02:14,280
reviewing our design standards I I and
staff is going to recommend we look at

798
01:02:11,700 --> 01:02:18,599
it for single family two to four as well
as as five plus and multi-family so kind

799
01:02:16,799 --> 01:02:21,839
of looking a whole at a whole thing for
our design standards um I think these

800
01:02:20,339 --> 01:02:27,299
could two could be you know kind of done
simultaneously

801
01:02:24,319 --> 01:02:32,220
yes please and how much of a wrench does
the parking question

802
01:02:30,059 --> 01:02:37,740
how much of a wrench do we throw into if
you start requiring parking design

803
01:02:34,799 --> 01:02:41,880
elements into architectural design for
mixed use

804
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:45,660
so yeah so right now we're working on
the parking ordinance um parking parking

805
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:48,720
commission is going to review out one
thing that we did toss around with the

806
01:02:46,980 --> 01:02:53,400
next one is in our Main Street downtown
district maybe there's a requirement to

807
01:02:52,079 --> 01:02:57,960
um you know have half the amount of
required parking spaces

808
01:02:55,200 --> 01:03:01,280
um for a place or you know maybe simply
that uh that there's gonna have to be

809
01:02:59,579 --> 01:03:05,940
some type of parking plan
provided by the developer in order to to

810
01:03:04,380 --> 01:03:08,640
construct a project like this as part of
a conditional use permit so there's a

811
01:03:07,559 --> 01:03:13,200
couple things I think we still have to
work out with our parking commission as

812
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:16,500
plant and Planning Commission on you
know how this would really work because

813
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:21,000
obviously you know a large building like
this would need parking so whether it's

814
01:03:18,900 --> 01:03:25,380
you know whether they're coming some
agreement to a property next to them

815
01:03:23,099 --> 01:03:28,559
some joint you know joint agreement or
they're doing underground parking

816
01:03:27,420 --> 01:03:32,520
um you know that's kind of how staff
envisions that but uh you know getting

817
01:03:30,780 --> 01:03:36,299
some direction here would you know maybe
help provide us some direction then as

818
01:03:35,160 --> 01:03:40,619
we're going to the Planning Commission
and kind of future

819
01:03:38,579 --> 01:03:44,819
um future parking commission meetings on
on working on the parking ordinance

820
01:03:42,780 --> 01:03:48,839
thank you James yeah Mr Norwood I'll
just jump in on that also I would say as

821
01:03:46,260 --> 01:03:53,040
a I mean from a developer's perspective
parking can have a huge impact on how

822
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:57,119
you would attack a project or and even
possibly complete viability if we were

823
01:03:55,440 --> 01:04:00,720
to say for instance
say you have to have underground parking

824
01:03:59,099 --> 01:04:04,559
or something like that
you could be potentially imposing

825
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:09,660
Financial burdens
that would make render virtually all

826
01:04:07,020 --> 01:04:13,339
projects you know not not viable that's
an extreme case but to answer your

827
01:04:11,220 --> 01:04:16,920
question it could have an impact yes
especially if it's minimums

828
01:04:15,839 --> 01:04:21,900
um
you know

829
01:04:19,260 --> 01:04:27,299
all right uh just any other discussion
conversation here

830
01:04:24,299 --> 01:04:32,940
so staff is looking for us uh you know
is is looking for us to direct them to

831
01:04:30,420 --> 01:04:36,420
revise the zoning code to allow for
multi-use in the in the corridor

832
01:04:34,980 --> 01:04:40,380
District it sounds like we still have
some heavy lifting to do as far as

833
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:45,059
potential design standards architectural
standards even maybe overlaid with

834
01:04:42,900 --> 01:04:48,780
parking standards and that but I think
we're just kind of generally you're

835
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:53,220
looking for some head nodding to say
yeah we kind of like where this is going

836
01:04:51,780 --> 01:04:57,540
so at this point I'm going to ask for
people who are head shakers not knotters

837
01:04:55,920 --> 01:05:01,260
okay very good you got what you need
James you think we do have what we need

838
01:04:59,099 --> 01:05:05,040
all right fantastic this may be just a
follow-up if we are

839
01:05:02,819 --> 01:05:11,520
um you know just to build off of what uh
director pram said about the cue of

840
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:15,660
other things that you know as we as we
start wrapping up the parking if we

841
01:05:13,200 --> 01:05:19,920
could look at the Grand list
and and we you know so as as we think

842
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:23,339
about
um

843
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:26,940
placing this or something else in that
queue just to be helpful just to refresh

844
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:31,619
ourselves or at this beyond the
six-month point be helpful to just

845
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:35,579
refresh yourself as we've gotten close
to knocking off one of those is the are

846
01:05:33,599 --> 01:05:41,540
the priorities still the same and we can
bring that to the next meeting yep

847
01:05:38,220 --> 01:05:41,540
we could start meeting weekly

848
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:51,420
I'm almost there very good uh okay
um I was going to move on

849
01:05:49,099 --> 01:05:56,220
we're going to move on now just uh so
everyone knows as you read the packet

850
01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:59,280
item 7c was technically canceled for
tonight but it was actually postponed to

851
01:05:58,079 --> 01:06:02,280
the next meeting just so everyone knows
that we'll be uh re-emerging in our near

852
01:06:01,079 --> 01:06:07,740
future I'm going to move on to item
number eight which is our public forum

853
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:12,119
um I'd like to make a motion relating
back to 7A

854
01:06:09,839 --> 01:06:17,460
um to direct staff to investigate
approaches

855
01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:23,160
precedence benefits consequences of
limiting short-term rentals in our city

856
01:06:20,099 --> 01:06:26,819
and to just report back to us on what
examples are out there what's the I mean

857
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:31,500
we've had some discussion about the pro
and con here at this desk and and

858
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:35,460
whether we could have a look at that
um you know and I wouldn't put that I

859
01:06:33,660 --> 01:06:42,599
guess I might put it on that list though
stuff but I would like to to see us

860
01:06:39,559 --> 01:06:46,140
have a good careful eye at that and then
and then some information we can act on

861
01:06:44,579 --> 01:06:51,000
so I'd like to offer that motion please
uh so yeah we have a motion uh there do

862
01:06:49,020 --> 01:06:54,780
you have a grasp on the motion you okay
with what we get what he's asking to be

863
01:06:52,500 --> 01:06:58,140
done here okay and we got a motion a
second uh any discussion I'm just going

864
01:06:57,119 --> 01:07:00,900
to jump in real quick I think it's
probably a good good idea because I have

865
01:06:59,819 --> 01:07:04,260
this feeling in the back of my head that
when the comprehensive plan was written

866
01:07:02,039 --> 01:07:09,119
nobody was asking is there a need for
short-term rental this is to me

867
01:07:06,660 --> 01:07:13,380
the conference plan perhaps doesn't
cover it or address it as a need because

868
01:07:11,099 --> 01:07:19,079
it really didn't exist or was even if it
did exist it wasn't acknowledged as uh

869
01:07:16,140 --> 01:07:22,920
as a performing status in our in our
community so I think it's a great

870
01:07:20,579 --> 01:07:26,280
exercise and uh for you know good idea
for us to get our head wrapped around

871
01:07:24,599 --> 01:07:30,780
how it's doing what other communities
are doing and how we can better apply it

872
01:07:28,020 --> 01:07:33,720
so excellent point thank you uh so we
have a motion a second any other

873
01:07:31,799 --> 01:07:38,039
discussion hearing none all those in
favor signify by saying aye aye opposed

874
01:07:36,059 --> 01:07:42,299
same sign very good thank you
okay so I'm going to open the public

875
01:07:39,839 --> 01:07:45,539
forum at 707. uh this is the time for
anyone to come forward who have might

876
01:07:43,740 --> 01:07:49,920
have anything they would love to chat
about before this esteemed commission do

877
01:07:47,579 --> 01:07:54,240
we have anyone in line I went online and
I see no one in the house so I'm going

878
01:07:51,119 --> 01:07:57,839
to close the public forum at 707 and we
are going to move on to item number nine

879
01:07:55,859 --> 01:08:01,859
which is Staff reports uh whoever raises
their hand first goes first

880
01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:06,539
no one's there we go James kramdick
you're up so update on vcv uh so vcv has

881
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:10,380
not contacted the Community Development
Department this is the cryptocurrency

882
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:13,619
that purchased the industrial park lots
they've not contacted staffs and service

883
01:08:11,940 --> 01:08:18,120
plans are approved by the Eda for
buildings instead of outdoor storage as

884
01:08:15,839 --> 01:08:21,779
a principal use I do believe they're
still working with Brainerd Public

885
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:24,960
Utilities on kind of final utility plans
and getting the power that they need to

886
01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:29,100
their site so
um but for the last couple of months

887
01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:34,140
staff has not heard anything about a
building permit or or any I guess

888
01:08:31,380 --> 01:08:37,739
anything from them on on that front
um I did mention the parking commission

889
01:08:35,940 --> 01:08:40,679
will be meeting August 2nd to review the
draft of the ostrich parking ordinance

890
01:08:39,179 --> 01:08:44,520
and a final draft will come back to the
Planning Commission on August 16th so

891
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:47,699
that'll be kind of the final review and
then the next Planning Commission would

892
01:08:45,660 --> 01:08:52,319
be the actual public hearing so a few
more steps to that

893
01:08:49,699 --> 01:08:57,060
for the draft of the parking ordinance
also at the last city council meeting

894
01:08:54,359 --> 01:09:01,140
the council did hold the first reading
for the Country Manor planned unit

895
01:08:58,500 --> 01:09:04,380
development District uh so that's the
ordinance amendment to create the new

896
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:09,239
zoning District they did also approve
the preliminary and final plat as well

897
01:09:06,540 --> 01:09:13,920
as the concept plan and general
development plan for the Pud in order

898
01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:17,279
for the final plat and the preliminary
plot to be approved there will have to

899
01:09:15,420 --> 01:09:23,219
be a second reading of the ordinance as
well as as well as approval from city

900
01:09:20,339 --> 01:09:26,819
council after that Country Manor will
have to work with the city of Brainerd

901
01:09:25,500 --> 01:09:30,779
on a development agreement and then
bring a final plan for their planned

902
01:09:29,400 --> 01:09:34,500
unit development so those are kind of
next steps I'd anticipate probably two

903
01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:38,580
or three months to resolve some of some
of that stuff and kind of last one city

904
01:09:37,020 --> 01:09:43,319
council approved the Redevelopment Tift
and Redevelopment Tiff plan for 805

905
01:09:41,100 --> 01:09:46,799
Laurel Street at the last city council
as well and with that that's everything

906
01:09:44,759 --> 01:09:51,239
I have very good thank you Mr Edwards
you have anything

907
01:09:48,779 --> 01:09:56,580
um yes just briefly and it sort of came
up during the discussion of the interim

908
01:09:53,759 --> 01:10:00,060
use permit that this property has had
things come along in the past and one of

909
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:03,900
the things that we were working on in
the department is building a running

910
01:10:01,980 --> 01:10:07,620
two-year list
at least for the city council level of

911
01:10:06,480 --> 01:10:12,360
the
Planning and Zoning processes that have

912
01:10:10,199 --> 01:10:18,120
gone through Planning Commission and
city council and where they're at in the

913
01:10:15,480 --> 01:10:23,659
process currently so that we can have a
clearer picture of once something comes

914
01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:28,440
through this commission or the council
for instance if it's a conditional use

915
01:10:25,980 --> 01:10:32,880
permit and that was supposed to prompt
some action and nothing has happened for

916
01:10:30,540 --> 01:10:37,320
two years that might be something that's
good to note or in a rezoning or

917
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:41,280
something along that line so that is
something we're actively working on

918
01:10:38,940 --> 01:10:44,820
creating which may be a helpful
reference that'll be in our community

919
01:10:42,780 --> 01:10:49,739
development report for city council
awesome okay thank you Mr Edwards

920
01:10:46,860 --> 01:10:52,980
anything Mr bomber nothing tonight okay
we're going to move to item number ten

921
01:10:51,659 --> 01:10:56,640
this is our commission member reports
I'll start with my left anyone who would

922
01:10:54,659 --> 01:11:01,980
like to go promote anything
Tiffany Mr Norwood nothing to add I got

923
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:06,840
in front of you anyways you know that
works see I started laughing okay I just

924
01:11:04,679 --> 01:11:12,060
have one quick thing uh I was able to
attend I believe was Friday the 14th uh

925
01:11:09,719 --> 01:11:16,500
this was the yeah this is the Italia
quartet that happened at our brand new

926
01:11:13,500 --> 01:11:22,199
uh Park uh the Lyman P wide park and it
was uh phenomenal I just want to say uh

927
01:11:19,380 --> 01:11:26,880
people there was about 120 130 people
there they were having a fantastic time

928
01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:31,320
it sounded good it looked good off in
the uh on the Riverside there was about

929
01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:34,560
a dozen kids who were playing on the uh
playground equipment which was highly

930
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:38,699
criticized as to whether or not it would
be played upon not a playground it's

931
01:11:36,239 --> 01:11:42,300
play area that the play area and the
kids were there non-stop for an hour

932
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:47,699
over an hour and a half straight and
never left so and uh having fun also I

933
01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:53,580
will say that a couple members from the
uh from the lake Sarah Music Festival

934
01:11:49,739 --> 01:11:57,900
came forward and uh spoke very highly of
the development in our city and just

935
01:11:56,100 --> 01:12:03,540
what a what treasure that was to have
something like that in support of the

936
01:12:00,060 --> 01:12:08,880
Arts so uh just wanted to shout out that
uh good job to everyone that worked on

937
01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:11,699
that and offer some positive feedback on
on our beautiful park down there that's

938
01:12:10,199 --> 01:12:17,520
all I have
you anything I knew you're going to say

939
01:12:14,280 --> 01:12:22,020
that anything else uh down the road up
yep Mr Duvall

940
01:12:19,620 --> 01:12:25,500
um pass okay very good uh with that
we'll be looking for a motion to an

941
01:12:24,120 --> 01:12:29,880
adjournment
make a motion to adjourn got a motion to

942
01:12:27,540 --> 01:12:35,360
adjourn second and a second all those in
favor signify by saying aye aye opposed

943
01:12:32,340 --> 01:12:35,360
same sign thank you everyone