[0:00] uh microphones everybody just be aware
I'm going to uh call to order the
[0:04] Planning Commission meeting in City Hall
here 501 Laurel Street council chambers
[0:08] for Wednesday July 19th 2023. Mr kravic
would you please call the roll Maron
[0:15] here Gorham here Duvall here Norwood
here Grunwald here staying line here
[0:22] Jaeger yes item number three Pledge of
Allegiance
[0:30] I pledge allegiance to
[0:36] two
indivisible
[0:46] okay first thing on our agenda here is
an approval of the uh the agenda for
[0:52] this evening this is item number four do
we have any additions changes
[0:55] substitutions for the agenda
all right hearing none I'll be looking
[0:59] for a motion to approved our motion by
staying line and a second by second
[1:04] Norwood by Norwood very good uh any
discussion hearing none all those in
[1:08] favor signify by saying aye aye opposed
same sign very good we have an agenda
[1:12] first item in our agenda is uh number
five this is an approval of the minutes
[1:16] this is for our regular meeting that was
held on June 21st special meeting held
[1:19] on June July uh July 12th I think yes uh
do we have a motion to approve those
[1:25] minutes
so I moved Norwood got a motion to
[1:28] second group and a second any discussion
hearing none all those in favor signify
[1:32] by saying aye aye opposed same sign we
have an approval uh motion carries
[1:36] approval of the uh minutes
okay uh item number six this is uh we're
[1:41] gonna jump into our unfinished business
here the first is item 6A this is a
[1:45] letter for the DW Jones requesting
public art for the uh 805 uh Laurel
[1:49] Street we've got just a sample letter
here uh pretty easy to read but James uh
[1:54] please uh give us just the brief
overview on this if you would please
[1:57] there's this is not an action item
unless we want to make any adjustments
[2:00] or amendments to the letter uh as it
will be submitted and uh I appreciate
[2:05] all of you looking out on my behalf
since it's my name on it
[2:08] go ahead James thank you Mr chair so
Planning Commission directed staff to
[2:12] write a letter to DW Jones on behalf of
the Planning Commission to request a
[2:16] public art piece as part of the 805
Laurel Street project staff has included
[2:20] a draft of that letter and like would
like Planning Commission to discuss and
[2:23] recommend any changes to the letter
all right very good the letter was uh
[2:29] not particularly lengthy if you all had
a chance to read it that's great if not
[2:34] no big deal but this would be the letter
that we'd be sending out just requesting
[2:38] uh some information as I believe it was
Mr Duvall who brought this originally to
[2:43] the attention of the commission great
great idea here and uh unless anybody
[2:46] has any objections we'll approve this
letter and I'll sign it and we'll send
[2:50] it out and see what happens
Mr chair yes please I would encourage an
[2:55] additional sentence in here probably
following the uh next to the last
[3:00] sentence in the last paragraph to the
effective I encourage you to reach out
[3:05] to the crossing Arts Alliance or other
art organizations and institutions in
[3:09] our community and region just basically
that they don't have to necessarily own
[3:14] the search or the but the gamut if we
can think of them providing the canvas
[3:19] and working with the Arts Community to
be able to to fulfill what's on that on
[3:24] that canvas so very good awesome yeah it
seems yes please well I was wondering
[3:28] because I had the same
[3:32] don't
rack card or something or that we can
[3:37] throw in with the letter
if not I could run and get one there's
[3:42] some type of what card like a rack card
or uh like we're the from The Crossing
[3:47] We're The Crossing here's how to get a
hold of them yeah we could probably
[3:50] include something like that in there
yeah yep some information on that so
[3:53] that they because like if I got this out
of the blue and I Skip's not getting out
[3:57] of the blue but I wouldn't know
[4:02] and I think pointing them in that
direction is the right way to go
[4:07] yep I think that certainly adds some
some value to the letter
[4:10] yeah
uh to your point and I'll just jump in
[4:13] also to your point Mr Duvall I know that
the five Wings Arts Council is a uh an
[4:18] initiative that works with artists and
they have in many cases uh money
[4:24] available to uh to partner with people
who want to put art in their locations
[4:29] we did this for the library over here
with their art and so it might be good
[4:32] just to put them on there also so that's
you know Skip's not 100 working on his
[4:36] own on this but there may be actually
somebody else out there who might pay
[4:39] for it so and just put it on his
property so those seem to make that
[4:43] seems to make good sense to me any other
thoughts or additions to this
[4:48] got what you need James and we got what
we need very good thank you very much
[4:51] and uh Wilkin yes thank you thank you
we're good we're going to continue on uh
[4:56] to our uh new business and our first
item is item 7A this is a consideration
[5:01] of an iup an interim use permit for a
short-term rental at 515 9th Street
[5:06] South
um Dylan would you please uh just kind
[5:09] of give us the rundown on this and then
James follow up with Dylan if you have
[5:11] anything please
[5:16] thank you and good evening
um we are here to discuss an interim use
[5:22] permit for short-term rental
um applied for by stangler Properties
[5:27] LLC at uh 515 9th Street South Brainerd
um this is a parcel that lies in a
[5:37] traditional neighborhood two zoning
District
[5:40] adjacent uses are duplex rentals uh
single-family residential rental and
[5:47] non-rental as well as the sharing Bread
soup kitchen all of the other adjacent
[5:52] properties are also traditional
neighborhood too
[5:58] included in the packet you can see an
aerial map of where we're looking at
[6:04] findings of fact we note that this is
located in a traditional neighborhood 2
[6:11] zoning district and that according to
our table of uses appendix a
[6:17] um
short-term rentals are an interim use in
[6:22] that zoning District
in order
[6:26] for an interim use to be granted in this
zoning District
[6:33] short-term rentals must comply with the
following minimum standards as required
[6:37] by the section of code
the maximum rental period shall not be
[6:43] more than 28 consecutive nights the
applicant proposes the unit as a
[6:49] short-term rental that will not exceed
28 consecutive nights for a rental
[6:53] period
the permit holder slash owner
[6:58] of a short-term rental must apply for
and receive an interim use permit this
[7:03] application and process that we are
currently going through constitutes the
[7:07] applicant's attempt to apply for an
interim use permit for the operation of
[7:12] a short-term rental
the application for an interim use
[7:17] permit shall include the number of
bedrooms with dimensions and all other
[7:21] sleeping accommodations I will read
through these parts and then go through
[7:27] them a little more holistically because
this um
[7:30] application includes a lot of
redundancies so we have the number of
[7:35] bedrooms with dimensions and all other
sleeping accommodations
[7:40] the number of off street parking spaces
available to guests all accessory
[7:44] structures outdoor recreational features
available for guest use
[7:50] a pet garbage and noise policy and the
permit holder shall post emergency
[7:55] contact information police fire hospital
and show renters the location of fire
[8:01] extinguishers in the short-term rental
unit
[8:05] um
[8:08] included in
each of these we have that the proposed
[8:14] short-term rental is a 900 square foot
unit with two bedrooms those bedrooms
[8:21] are 13 feet by 12 feet 6 inches and 10
feet by 12 feet 3 inches that will
[8:32] become important later as according to
occupancy for short-term rentals
[8:38] there's a limit of not more than three
people per bedroom according to section
[8:44] 404.4.1
[8:48] of the property maintenance code each
bedroom shall contain not less than 70
[8:52] square feet and every bedroom occupied
by more than one person shall contain
[8:57] not less than 50 square feet of floor
area for each occupant thereof or
[9:02] whichever is less
thus the one bedroom is 162 square feet
[9:08] the other is 122 square feet both of
those exceed the
[9:13] 100 square foot
requirement on those guest rooms
[9:19] thus
the number of bedrooms and the
[9:23] dimensions that are not only included
are included but they are also valid
[9:30] considerations for bedrooms
in a short-term rental
[9:36] the number of off street parking places
as noted in the rules for the particular
[9:44] rental
we have two off street parking spaces
[9:49] available one allocated in the driveway
and one in an alley loaded garage
[9:56] the only accessory structure available
for use is the garage and the
[10:02] rules policy for the
short-term rental clearly states that
[10:08] there are no pets allowed in the rent
short-term rental property garbage and
[10:13] recycling bins for use are located at
the rear of the property and collected
[10:17] every seven days by waste partners and
that there is a quiet hours imposed
[10:23] between 10 pm and 8 pm
the housing inspector upon inspection of
[10:31] the rental unit will also confirm that
any emergency information is
[10:37] posted at the unit
permit holder must disclose in writing
[10:42] to their renters the following
information
[10:45] contact information managing agent or
contacts name address and phone number
[10:51] and the agent shall be available 24
hours a day seven days a week whenever
[10:55] the property is being rented and
property contact will always be
[11:00] accessible to the public on the city
Brainerd website our applicant Mr
[11:05] stangler is the responsible party
and resides within 50 miles of the
[11:11] premises which is required for an agent
occupancy in the maximum allowed guests
[11:19] is listed within the rules as has been
previously discussed
[11:25] vehicles
maximum number of vehicles recreational
[11:30] vehicles and trailers allowed on the
property which needs to be noted and the
[11:35] rules clearly state that renters are not
allowed to park more than two vehicles
[11:39] at the premises at any one time in
designated off-street areas this would
[11:44] also include Vehicles such as trailers
as referenced
[11:56] barring any further questions
it is at this point no written
[12:03] communication has been
put forward to the community development
[12:07] director or our department with concerns
on this interim use permit
[12:15] um
yes I will hand over to James for our
[12:19] discussion of Staff recommendations very
good thank you Mr Edwards James please
[12:23] yeah so
um Dylan it's kind of summarized the
[12:26] findings of fact there what I'll be
discussing is just kind of a refresher
[12:30] on interim use permits and and kind of
the difference between a conditional use
[12:33] perm and interim use so interim uses are
similar to conditional uses in which
[12:37] they are allowed provided they meet the
conditions the city May attach whatever
[12:41] reasonable conditions are deemed
necessary to mitigate anticipated
[12:45] adverse impacts associated with the
proposed use so really the primary
[12:49] difference between an iup versus a cup
is that an iup can impose a date or
[12:55] event that will terminate the use also a
change in the city's zoning regulations
[13:00] can render the use non-conforming and it
terminates the interim use so those are
[13:06] a couple of the big differences
staff did forward an email from council
[13:12] member Johnson with concerns about the
short-term rental in opposition to the
[13:16] iup
um kind of a summary of that email from
[13:22] councilman Johnson is the Eda believing
stangler was building long-term housing
[13:26] awarded stangler property sixty thousand
dollars of government funds to create
[13:30] the housing stangler properties proposed
uh singular properties accepted the
[13:34] money to build housing I oppose the
interim use permit because I believe
[13:37] both units of this government Finance
duplex should be long-term housing
[13:40] options for people in our community
staff certainly understands the concerns
[13:47] from councilman Johnson housing is
something that Brainerd certainly a
[13:51] short on right now and as a major issue
facing the city and it is also an
[13:56] important goal of the comprehensive plan
however based on a review of the land
[14:01] use applications and the findings of
fact 515 South 9th Street has met all
[14:06] the conditions for a short-term rental
and staff recommends approval of the
[14:09] interim use permit with the following
conditions first one is an approved
[14:14] inspection by the fire marshal I'm
believe Dave Cox was going to be
[14:18] reaching out to Mr stangler for that
final review the fire marshal is
[14:23] required to do a yearly inspection on
short-term rentals
[14:26] second condition is the middle of the
local option sales tax form to the
[14:30] finance department which is a
requirement to the interim use and
[14:33] number three upon sale of the property
by Mr stangler property or by stangler
[14:38] Properties LLC the interim use permit
for a short-term rental at 515 9th
[14:42] Street South Brainerd Minnesota is no
longer valid
[14:46] so with that certainly can answer any
questions from the commission and Mr
[14:51] stangler is here if you have any
questions for the applicant very good
[14:54] thank you Mr cram Vic commission members
do we have any questions for staff
[14:58] either uh Mr Edwards or Mr kranvik at
this time
[15:02] yes please Mr Gorham is this the third
time we've we've gone through this in
[15:06] the last two years or is the second time
because I know we've we've taught we
[15:10] discussed the property before so this
property has gone through two variance
[15:13] requests the first one expired came in
for a variance request because that
[15:18] first one expired for essentially the
same thing they were approved both times
[15:21] and then this one is for the short-term
rental okay
[15:25] did you mean short-term rentals or just
this property well just this property
[15:28] because I think it's three on short-term
rentals also if I'm not mistaken right
[15:31] and then we've gone through or at least
since I've been here a short-term rental
[15:36] on First Street and then two of them on
South 6th Street in the same unit as the
[15:40] triplex okay
pretty good any other questions for
[15:43] staff
Mr chair please I've got one and it's on
[15:47] the the third condition
um I I understand and I've seen cities
[15:54] do this where they say on sale the
property or transfer of the property
[15:59] this is owned by LLC though right
that's correct so someone could buy the
[16:04] LLC and
you could transfer that
[16:07] essentially yeah you could transfer it
from a company okay
[16:12] so this is really
not a condition
[16:15] if that were to be the case that they'd
actually buy the LLC okay I just I I'm
[16:21] it it
[16:24] yeah did our attorney like look at that
third condition and all like is that is
[16:29] that something you would run by him or
not because it
[16:33] I'm just it seems like a uh a thing that
we couldn't do but I've seen cities do
[16:39] it I'm just wondering if I didn't run it
by the City attorney certainly there
[16:42] could be a triggering effect or an end
date for an interim use permit um so
[16:45] that's my rationale behind it but uh
General
[16:50] can't attach conditions to to
individuals
[16:53] so you know like I can say like I
wouldn't allow you to do it but I'd
[16:57] allow you to do it it becomes
problematic yeah I could certainly run
[17:01] it by the City attorney before I really
even want to do it because
[17:07] like I said you if you're gonna transfer
it you would just sell the LLC and keep
[17:11] the name
okay I'm with you I don't care either
[17:15] way I just was interested in the thought
process yep I think that's definitely a
[17:20] um a good comment there okay
very good any other questions for staff
[17:27] okay uh this time I'm going to go ahead
and open the public hearing it does uh
[17:32] 617 and we'll invite anyone who might
like to come forward including the
[17:35] applicant you don't have to but if you
would like to you can come forward uh
[17:39] I'm assuming we don't have anyone online
no one online so that leaves only you if
[17:43] you'd like to come forward again you
don't have to
[17:46] um but at this time the public hearing
is now open and I invite you for it if
[17:51] you'd like
thank you thank you very much just state
[17:54] your name and address please for the
record here my name is Eric stangler my
[17:58] address is 7384 Lone Oak Road in
Brainerd
[18:03] um
and so we just built this property last
[18:07] fall and
um well I guess I'll address one thing
[18:11] stangler properties is like I started
that with one little house and we owned
[18:17] many properties it's gonna get passed on
to my kids it's never going to be sold
[18:21] it's not like we're a huge corporation
but
[18:25] um as far as this uh property goes our
intent was always the same and that was
[18:33] to rent
for Extended Stay to traveling nurses
[18:37] and doctors or techs or whoever may be
coming to the hospital
[18:42] my wife worked in the ER or several
different locations from Essentia to
[18:49] Cayenne Regional Medical Center and the
Brainerd Lake Surgery Center and we saw
[18:55] that there was a huge need for like
those people that were traveling to stay
[19:01] um
so that was why we initially came up
[19:05] with the plan to build this property now
when we found out that there was a grant
[19:09] that was available that did not have any
strings attached to it and we could you
[19:15] know get that money I looked I think
there's over 20 HUD programs but they
[19:19] all have specific requirements
for what you can use that property for
[19:24] and this grant didn't have that so I
understand the council member's concern
[19:29] but as far as
us meeting the requirements I I guess I
[19:35] don't really see the the logic
um
[19:39] so the other thing is
the traveling nurses they go on a
[19:44] 13-week rotation so we filled the one
unit right away the second unit didn't
[19:50] fill so all we're trying to do really is
bridge the gap so our intent is not to
[19:56] keep this as an Airbnb for
ever for as long as we own the property
[20:01] it's to get us to where we can keep
turning over
[20:05] Extended Stay traveling nurses doctors
or techs and so that's the intent I know
[20:13] it's kind of you know we furnish the
units and
[20:17] um you know we got a lot of extra money
stuck into them if we're going to do a
[20:21] long-term rental
we wouldn't have done that so we kind of
[20:25] and we can't go 13 weeks without renting
out an entire unit so that's why we're
[20:30] applying for the interim use to get us
to the point where we hopefully can find
[20:36] a
traveling nurses doctors whoever it may
[20:40] be to occupy the unit
very good thank you uh do we have any
[20:46] questions for our applicant just hang
out just one sec just in case
[20:50] yes please sure
can I restate what you said and just
[20:54] make sure that I understand sure
um you you're doing 13-week rentals to
[20:59] nurses but if you've got one that
doesn't fill you'd like the option to be
[21:03] able to do short-term rental until you
get the next 13 week one in
[21:07] well our so this is a two unit building
so the one you filled right away yeah
[21:12] yeah yeah and the other this one did not
so right we're applying for the permit
[21:16] to get us to the point where we can find
somebody that will fill that so our
[21:22] turnover with the the nurses we had a
doctor that was doing clinicals here
[21:27] first then we had a nurse and then that
nurse actually found another traveling
[21:31] nurse so we didn't really have any Gap
well
[21:34] the other unit hasn't filled so we're
applying for the permit so that we can
[21:40] at least generate some sort of income
out of that until we get to that point
[21:45] which hopefully we do until you get to
having a a trialing nurse or someone in
[21:50] there correct okay
okay and a little bit of background I
[21:54] mean we we bought the first rental the
first long short-term rental ever in uh
[22:01] Ironton cuyuna bike house and operated
that for a few years and then we sold
[22:07] that and turned a couple of smaller
units like these in Crosby in the
[22:12] short-term units and it's not all that
it's cracked up to be yes it makes a
[22:17] little bit more money we're trying to
transition even the ones in Crosby into
[22:21] these Extended Stays because there's so
many Travelers coming into our
[22:25] communities and they're staying at
hotels and this is better for them and
[22:29] it's better for the community in my
opinion
[22:35] good any other questions for the
applicant yes please Mr Duvall thank you
[22:39] Mr stangler um so you're describing that
you've had difficulty attracting
[22:45] qualifying long-term applicants is that
what you're implying for for the one
[22:52] unit that remains vacant
or
[22:56] yes so the intent is to do basically the
nurses doctors techs work when they're
[23:03] traveling they're on a 13-week schedule
so and those come in waves so we've
[23:08] filled the one unit we haven't been able
to fill this unit and that's why we're
[23:12] applying for the interim use
could you describe
[23:17] you know what what your efforts have
been to try and attract
[23:22] qualified applicants for for the housing
unit
[23:26] um well like I said my wife worked in
the medical field here all over the
[23:31] um City at Baxter Crosby and so she's
put out a lot of feelers with people
[23:36] that are still friends that she has that
still work in those areas we've also
[23:42] contacted the uh
um
[23:46] I forget the title now but basically who
who manages The Travelers at the
[23:52] hospital and you know if you have
somebody that's interested Point them
[23:56] our way and we just not have not been
able to fill this unit we haven't filled
[24:02] the other two we had one traveler over
in Crosby and then that fizzled out so
[24:07] it's been an uphill battle but I think
we're still optimistic that we can get
[24:15] all four units filled with Travelers and
do that in a way that uh is beneficial
[24:21] for the community and the hospital and
The Travelers so they're not staying in
[24:26] hotels while they're here
sure yes please
[24:30] um you know it it seems like you're
you're targeting a fairly narrow segment
[24:36] of potential renters for
for a couple bedroom
[24:41] bath units which are very desirable
rental units in the city of Brainerd I'm
[24:48] I'm I'm
wondering to what degree you're open to
[24:53] broadening
your potential
[24:58] list of candidates to to go beyond the
medical professionals to other families
[25:06] within the city or coming to the city
for long term and looking for long-term
[25:12] rental what are your what are your
thoughts on on broadening that
[25:16] that application that that
pool of people that you'd be trying to
[25:21] attract to fill your unit
we're 100 open to that and we have
[25:25] filled it with our units in Crosby when
they were working on the power line up
[25:29] there we had people that stayed at the
cuyuna bike house all winter long so
[25:34] we're willing to rent out to anyone
that's going to be staying long term
[25:42] the issue that we have is you know
construction is not cheap and the fact
[25:48] that we just built this building our
rents have to be a little bit higher
[25:52] than what a normal two-bedroom one-bath
rental property long-term rental would
[25:58] be in the city of Brainerd not to
mention we keep them furnished so you
[26:04] know if if we have a family that's going
to move in there for six years then we
[26:08] have to take the furniture out because
you know one thing about having
[26:12] short-term rentals is they get cleaned
every week or every other day or every
[26:16] couple weeks or whatever it is every 13
weeks and there's always issues you know
[26:22] even with these brand new ones I had to
fix a light like we're always in there
[26:26] keeping them in Tip-Top shape and so you
know our field of of what we're you know
[26:35] targeting is small but in order to even
more make the mortgage payments on a new
[26:40] construction in the city of anywhere
that's
[26:45] you know that was our intent that's how
we set up our financials for it and it
[26:50] was really the only way that we could
have done it
[26:55] you know and I and I understand
um and I I don't have uh you know any
[27:02] any qualms about the business model
you're using to try and get at
[27:07] you know managing the finances the books
to make this this build work out I I
[27:13] kind of get that
um I I think a couple things that strike
[27:18] me uh you know one is by by narrowing
down your
[27:24] narrowing down your focus whether you
may
[27:27] be running into the federal fair housing
act by by excluding people it's almost
[27:33] like choosing families over over
um
[27:37] individual tenants blending you know you
might be running crosswise there with
[27:43] federal fair housing act if you've not
looked into that already but the other
[27:47] point is that that you know the housing
study that was done a few years ago for
[27:54] Crow Wing County including brainer
really highlights the need for long-term
[27:58] Workforce housing and you're describing
members a section of the workforce of
[28:04] Brainerd you know the the Medical
Professional is a is a part of our
[28:10] Workforce in in here and and and the
need for providing long-term housing is
[28:16] pretty highlight highly identified as a
high priority in our in our housing
[28:21] study it's identified as a high priority
in our comprehensive plan and and what I
[28:26] what I see here is a proposal that's
actually taking
[28:32] long-term
Workforce housing out of the pool in
[28:38] returning it in a short term use that
doesn't really help us with the long
[28:44] Ledger sheet of Need for for Workforce
housing here in the in the city so
[28:50] that's a that's pretty much very much a
concern I guess that's a comment more
[28:54] than a question so thank you Mr Spangler
for your answers
[28:57] um I guess just to that I
you know our we're not I'm very well
[29:04] aware of the discriminating against
um and we're not saying that we're not
[29:09] turning people away the issue is the
price point that we need to be at in
[29:14] order to support the build that we did
um people that are doing long-term
[29:21] housing just aren't able to spend that
much on a rental unit so you know down
[29:28] the line you know this this building is
not going to be probably extended stay
[29:32] short term forever eventually it will
turn to long-term rental and it's a
[29:38] beautiful building it's built well and
it's going to be there for a long long
[29:41] time so you know I think this is just a
like a section of its life that we need
[29:49] to get it to where it needs to be and
then it'll be part of the housing pool
[29:53] in the city of Brainerd you know we're
not going to own this building for 30
[29:56] years it's
so yeah in the efforts that you describe
[30:01] to try and attract applicants really
came down to sort of word of mouth and
[30:06] and and and I didn't I didn't hear that
that you had advertised with a with a
[30:12] price point there my my guess is as a
landlord myself in the city that you you
[30:18] would find
qualified tenants that would meet your
[30:23] background criteria or your screening
criteria that that would be able to pay
[30:28] a higher end and look for something
that's nice like that you know because I
[30:32] agree with you it's a nice looking
building I've not been inside I've seen
[30:36] it in planned views during the 10 months
ago when you had that before so
[30:41] anyway I'll
if I could comment sure
[30:45] um so yes the we I guess I kind of lost
my train of thought but
[30:51] um
sorry I guess one thing I was going to
[30:55] say before that the fire marshal
actually was out yesterday too and did
[30:59] his inspection as well so I guess that
portion has already been done
[31:06] it's pretty good thank you any other
questions for the applicant
[31:11] okay thank you very much I'm going to go
ahead and close the public hearing at uh
[31:18] 6 31 here and I'm going to bring it back
to us for a discussion so further
[31:28] requirement is granted and that it is
not used
[31:31] for that use for a period of time is
that an issue going back to using it for
[31:37] that does that make sense what I'm
asking James yeah so I I really looked
[31:41] at this uh
and considered you know how that would
[31:45] work you know the use is still a duplex
um so whether it's a rental or
[31:50] interviews obviously there's more
stringent conditions set upon the
[31:54] interim use permit with the public
hearing conditions that can be can be
[31:57] put upon it
um so unless there was a triggering
[32:00] event in staff's interpretation where uh
you know say say it's a short-term
[32:07] rental and then you know the Planning
Commission wanted to put a trigger in
[32:10] advance saying that once it's a long
term or Extended Stay then the interim
[32:14] use is void
um really I think what we did what we
[32:17] work well with the applicant is that
he'd have to notify staff when it's when
[32:21] it's being used as a as a long-term
rental versus a short-term rental
[32:25] okay so there's nothing like inherent
unless we decide to put something there
[32:29] that that's all staff's interpreting it
okay
[32:33] hmm
you know quick questions for staff
[32:36] otherwise we can discuss amongst
ourselves here yes please Mr Duvall Mr
[32:41] chair I'd like to make a motion please
to deny the interim use permit for
[32:48] um 15 or 515 9th Street South in
Brainerd
[32:52] or short-term rental application all
right we have a motion
[32:58] their second
[33:02] second we have a motion in this in a
second
[33:06] um
is there any discussion on this Mr chair
[33:09] yes please I would just ask what what
would be the findings
[33:15] that would support the motion
[33:20] Mr chair if I may yes please
um the findings of fact that I would
[33:24] offer are that the variance
application that was approved 10 months
[33:29] previous
findings of fact there were
[33:34] supporting the application for a
variance at that time that was findings
[33:39] of fact three B which stated when
variances are consistent with the comp
[33:44] plan staff believes this variance
requests are supported by goal one of
[33:48] chapter three of the comprehensive plan
which states provide a diverse mix of
[33:51] housing choices for all stages of Life
income ranges and ownership rental
[33:55] preferences and they highlighted
specifically policy five which says
[33:59] ensure an adequate supply of quality in
affordable housing units for current and
[34:03] future residents and and what's proposed
here tonight does not support the
[34:09] findings of fact that we offered in
support of the variants in
[34:14] um
September 21st 2022.
[34:20] Mr chair please yeah go ahead guys I
actually have a
[34:25] different take than you
and and when I look at
[34:29] people trying to provide housing that
would be Workforce housing that would be
[34:34] housing that
um you know could could fill this kind
[34:38] of need that we're talking about with
the the traveling nurses but also fill
[34:41] needs for people who are kind of at a
startup position in life
[34:45] there's a there's there's time in that
market when you're going to have
[34:50] vacancies there's time when you're going
to have extended vacancies and the idea
[34:54] that
you would not be allowed to do a
[34:58] short-term rental on that or an interim
an interim type rental what it does is
[35:02] it makes a higher burden for people
wanting to provide that particular
[35:06] product and for me I think if we want
more of that product we should give the
[35:11] people who are providing that product a
lot more options to fill those gaps it's
[35:15] going to bring more people into the
market it's going to make uh you know it
[35:19] easier for people to do that and
actually think that the outcome you're
[35:23] worried about which is we're going to
have less
[35:25] Workforce housing if we allow this type
of use I actually think we're going to
[35:30] have more Workforce housing if we allow
this type of use as a supplemental
[35:35] for people in the gaps to fill in those
gaps when they have short-term Revenue
[35:40] problems
Mr chair if I may respond to that and I
[35:45] and I agree very much with the the
[35:49] idea you're expressing Mr Marone and I I
think what we have no control over is
[35:56] whether that short-term rental
goes towards
[36:00] um
medical professionals who are transitory
[36:05] in our in our community or
VRBO or
[36:11] um
Airbnb I think was the phrase that that
[36:15] the applicant had used here is sort of
the platforms that it turns into
[36:19] vacation rental space and the vacation
rental space is what
[36:23] detracts from meeting our Workforce
housing needs and we have no control
[36:28] over saying you can only rent to
Workforce people in our community right
[36:34] and if we say short-term rentals are
okay and that's and that's the part that
[36:39] I'm getting and I fully agree with you
in the the other aspects of the
[36:44] workforce Community out there and the
way to fill in these slots in our in our
[36:49] rentals
Mr chair and I I I I get where you're
[36:54] coming from
I I don't know as I would
[36:57] if we were talking about like a lake
home or something
[37:01] maybe we could find some common ground
on that one but you know this is not
[37:05] this is not going to be a high end
vacation rental
[37:09] so I I you know just PR in practicality
applying that particular concern to this
[37:15] property to me it would be a little bit
overstated like I don't think that I the
[37:20] the likelihood of that is very strong
I'd be interested to know what
[37:26] what the
um rental history is for the other
[37:32] two vrbos that we have or excuse me
there's two other short-term rental
[37:37] permitted properties we have here which
are not Waterfront beach front I think
[37:42] once up on North End and one's on on the
south end of town and not exactly what
[37:47] you'd think of as vacation property but
it's a place to
[37:51] anyway
very good thank you further discussion
[37:56] yes please Mr Corner yeah one question
when the um maybe uh staff could help me
[38:00] on this when the study was done looking
at Workforce housing and how to address
[38:04] it was um was short-term housing ever a
part of it in other words with the sixty
[38:08] thousand dollars that was allocated here
65 whatever it was was was there uh a
[38:14] need um recognized to provide for
short-term housing in other words was
[38:17] that part of the equation
um that the funders had
[38:21] from the initiative Foundation funding
so I don't believe I don't believe that
[38:26] uh was part of it I'd have to go into
the the study to see if there's anything
[38:31] related short-term rental in Crow Wing
County study I'm not I don't know that
[38:35] offhand
because I think they're just to continue
[38:37] I think I think there might be a valid I
think there is a valid market for it but
[38:41] we don't understand it I don't
understand you know we don't understand
[38:43] how big it is or maybe it's just so
small we shouldn't be concerned about it
[38:47] I don't know
and uh but I I can see how it is
[38:51] something can help fill a niche but also
can see how it's something that could
[38:56] um say well let's take in these uh
short-term things at a higher rate than
[39:01] as opposed to having to turn to Market
and provide the real long-term housing
[39:05] we need which was probably the intention
behind the initiative Foundation
[39:08] so that's my thinking
anyhow thank you
[39:13] other comments questions
okay well I'm just going to jump in with
[39:18] my thoughts here uh when I've when I
first saw this come through I will admit
[39:22] that this landed on me all wrong mostly
because of my background with deed and
[39:26] being part of the group that
gave the sixty thousand dollars or was
[39:30] was a part of that in initially when I
when I first reacted to this it landed
[39:35] on me all wrong also
um and to your point uh I know um Mr
[39:41] stangler that you've said that there was
nothing on you know in that application
[39:45] that prevented you from doing this but I
would also just like to ask staff to
[39:48] just follow up with that and just verify
with the people of deed to make sure
[39:52] that there isn't something that we're
missing here which disqualifies this
[39:55] type of use
um
[39:58] and then coming and that being said
that's not really a part of what's in
[40:01] front of us tonight totally get that
um that being said I've also kind of
[40:06] been on both sides of the fence of this
I've been a part of the long-term
[40:10] long-term housing conversation been a
big proponent of that still am but I've
[40:14] also noticed that myself in in sitting
in other city meetings with short-term
[40:20] rentals and
um uh have been going through life
[40:23] somewhat per blind with what these what
what these uh what these types of
[40:29] dwellings really can do for a community
so uh while I would probably prefer to
[40:34] have a long-term residence here I also
understand the need for people who are
[40:38] moving in between residences people who
are only in town for short-term work
[40:42] traveling service providers seasonal
visitors people who have lost their home
[40:46] due to fire or to other construction
issues or kicked out of their house for
[40:51] construction issues and there's also a
whole list of people who need short-term
[40:55] Living For Life circumstances things
beyond their control that happen in
[40:59] their life that force them to move out
of their house or their dwelling without
[41:03] with very short notice so
um
[41:06] I can I can also see that there's a need
for this also in a short term in our
[41:11] community I will always come back to the
fact that what concerns me most is
[41:16] behavior
and what I see visually with my eyes
[41:21] when I look at a property this means
upkeep whether it be by an owner that's
[41:25] a renter or a long-term owner and
behavior whether it is a rental or a
[41:29] long-term owner because believe me we
have good and both in both good and bad
[41:33] in both scenarios some of our most
problematic people that come before us
[41:38] are long-term owner occupiers we we know
this right so I guess where I'm at on
[41:44] this is is I'm struggling I find that
taking the path of saying that this
[41:51] doesn't fit our our comprehensive plan
is a bit of a reach for me personally
[41:57] I'm very close to neutral on this and
that's why I'm going to be asking for a
[42:01] roll call vote on this but that's that's
kind of where I am and I I think that uh
[42:06] just generally we need to to be a little
generally more open-minded that
[42:11] short-term rental doesn't mean keggers
every weekend and trash in the street so
[42:15] I think there's there are other
functions behind that so yeah
[42:19] um if there's uh yes please
Mr Norwood
[42:23] sorry I'm dying
um
[42:29] currently I'm in the position of not
supporting the motion
[42:32] um
[42:34] under the premise of the
it's difficult there's other ways to
[42:40] skin the cat so I agree
with the the motioner but
[42:47] there's there's I agree but I can't
support it
[42:53] if that makes sense
it doesn't make sense I've been there
[42:56] many times
[43:00] further discussion okay we have a motion
to deny I just want to be clear make
[43:04] sure everyone's got this straight we
have a motion to deny in a second uh so
[43:08] and we're going to be voting by roll
call if you vote if you vote Yes you're
[43:12] voting for a denial of this iup if you
vote no you are voting uh to uh to allow
[43:18] the iup to happen okay does that sound
right everyone all right very good I
[43:22] feel like there should be a separate
motion very good
[43:26] if this one doesn't pass
okay so would you how would you like to
[43:30] play this would you like to vote first
and then make a motion after this motion
[43:33] and then we can have a second one very
good
[43:36] all right here we go drum roll everyone
and Mr cramp go ahead James is going to
[43:40] uh call the roll
maroon a post
[43:44] Gorham no
Duvall yes
[43:48] Norwood no
onwald no staying line yes Jaeger and
[43:54] that's no
so I would I would make a motion uh to
[43:59] uh recommend the the interim use permit
be approved based on the findings
[44:05] provided by staff
with the three conditions recommended by
[44:09] staff
I would add to the third condition since
[44:13] we're we're going down this road anyway
we might as well go all the way I would
[44:17] say upon sale the property by stangler
Properties LLC comma or transfer of
[44:23] ownership within stangler Properties LLC
comma the interim use permit for
[44:28] short-term rental da da
Mr chair yes please would the motion or
[44:33] be open to an amendment to that motion
to include a two-year term on the permit
[44:40] to expired December 31st 2025.
point of order yes uh point of order
[44:47] just for a second
and I'll second the motion
[44:50] okay just so that way it got it yeah
I respect what you're asking but no I
[44:58] don't really feel a need to do that
[45:02] all right so we have a new and exciting
motion and a second on the table here is
[45:07] there any uh further discussion
it
[45:11] I know I seconded it but
where Mr Duvall was headed is the
[45:16] general direction of where I was headed
for you just beat me to make an emotion
[45:21] and so so you're saying head your bets
two years we'll look at it again if it's
[45:25] not a problem I I the reason I wouldn't
do that is because I feel like we're
[45:29] just adding
I mean the petitioner was suggesting
[45:36] that there is a time delay as to fulfill
the proposed
[45:42] business plan
so you're saying in two years that delay
[45:45] should be resolved and then this is not
needed I
[45:50] the the timing is as far as the timing
it
[45:55] I'm indifferent to the timing I just
believe that it needed a close date
[45:59] and so if
if Mr Duvall is asking for a did you say
[46:06] two years two years expiring December
31st 2025.
[46:11] that's I've go ahead I'm indifferent to
the the time I'm that's the debatable
[46:16] part that we can
uh well I can tell you where I am on
[46:20] that debate we've allowed to my
knowledge we have approved two of these
[46:23] in the last 24 months into my knowledge
that condition wasn't attached to either
[46:26] one of those two so my concern is is
that we are unfairly or or perhaps uh on
[46:34] we are in we're doing this in a way that
is not
[46:38] um in in alignment with the way that we
have approved the other so that's my
[46:42] concern with attaching uh and forgive me
was that in a tn2
[46:48] agreed yeah Mr chair if there's a Nexus
between what the applicant has said his
[46:54] business plan is and what you know other
Commissioners would want that would help
[46:58] us get to
a recommendation I'm I'm fine
[47:02] considering it but I I guess
I'm kind of with you like I like let's
[47:06] just
we're gonna do it let's do it
[47:10] uh well it's on you you're being asked
to change your motion
[47:14] yeah and I guess maybe I'm doing a straw
full like is this going to be like is
[47:18] everyone going to vote against this
because like it'll be here all night
[47:21] maybe let's call the question and if
people will not vote for this one then
[47:24] uh I'll change it I'd like to also
remind this commission that we are
[47:28] advisory so yeah whatever the outcome is
of this um city council ultimately will
[47:33] be making the decision on this but uh I
would encourage us to just uh pull the
[47:38] trigger on something here
[47:43] so I'm not hearing a Amendment to the
motion so we're going to do this by roll
[47:47] call also now one more time if you vote
uh yes in favor of this you are agreeing
[47:52] to allow the interim use permit to be
permitted if you vote no you are voting
[47:57] no and remember that there were three
conditions the third one was briefly
[48:00] modified I'm not going to go into the
details of that any questions on this
[48:03] before we roll call this
all right James here we go maroon yes
[48:08] Gorham yes Duvall yes Norwood yes
gruenwald yes staying line yes Jaeger
[48:17] yes wow oh there we go
very good thank you
[48:22] um will you please Mr cranbic just kind
of let the applicant know what uh what's
[48:26] going to happen next next steps yep so
this will go to the next city council
[48:30] meeting which is on August 7th and they
will vote for an approval or denial of
[48:35] the interim use permit very good thank
you Mr cram Victor thank you for coming
[48:40] thank you okay we're going to move on to
uh item 7B this is the consideration of
[48:44] allowing mixed-use buildings in the
commercial Corridor District Mr kramvick
[48:48] please
yes thank you Mr chair uh so just a
[48:51] brief summary at the June 28th Eda
Workshop staff proposed allowing
[48:55] mixed-use development in the commercial
Corridor District to incentivize
[48:58] Redevelopment in the district and to
maximize housing opportunities for
[49:02] potential developers kind of along with
this as well staff is also proposing and
[49:08] the Eda is uh
you had a kind of a general consensus at
[49:13] the workshop that they're interested in
creating a a similar River to rails
[49:16] District along the commercial Corridor
District part of the commercial Corridor
[49:20] district is already in the river Trails
but extending it kind of all the way to
[49:23] the Cub Food area
the river Trails District just is kind
[49:27] of a reminder waves all building permit
fees up to 150 000 of construction value
[49:33] as well as waving sack and whack and
park dedication fees so one of the
[49:39] things that the Eda
[Music]
[49:42] the workshop had directed staff to do
was to talk with Brainerd Public
[49:48] Utilities as well as our public works
department to see if the utilities can
[49:51] handle waving sack and whack fees but
so so staff will be doing that tomorrow
[49:58] but tonight's consideration is whether
mixed use development could be done in
[50:03] the commercial Corridor District as well
staff would look at that this is similar
[50:07] to The Main Street District in which the
first floor residents units are
[50:11] prohibited so right now our Main Street
District runs from Front Street down to
[50:16] the mid block of maybe Norwood and Oak
Street and then from 5th Street to a
[50:22] street so essentially no residential is
allowed on the first floor that's
[50:26] essentially how staff sees as a
potential for the commercial Corridor
[50:30] District I did include in the second
page here
[50:34] an example so this is Moorhead this is a
city where I grew up so this is First
[50:39] Avenue North it's a I think a pretty
good representation of what we kind of
[50:45] see with Highway 210 this is kind of a
Gateway into Moorhead and in a similar
[50:49] location in in and close around downtown
you see here is a 2008 picture pretty
[50:55] sparse development there's a the
railroads actually on the left hand side
[50:59] some industrial uses over there if you
go down to the 2002 picture here's a
[51:05] picture the the appear to allow complete
residential on the left-hand side but
[51:10] there is a mixed use development that
was was created on the right hand side
[51:14] so besides allowing more residential
into this kind of Gateway into Moorhead
[51:18] it also really spurred development from
some of the existing businesses that
[51:22] aren't mixed mixed-use development
there's a brewery that kind of expanded
[51:26] and doubled in size because of the
amount of residents that are in here and
[51:29] then there's also a number of other
businesses that because the amount of
[51:33] residents that are in this area it
really spurred development and and has
[51:37] kind of revitalized this whole Gateway
into Moorhead so just kind of a quick
[51:41] example and this is really just a
discussion topic tonight
[51:45] um you know seeing if Planning
Commission does want a direct staff to
[51:48] look further into potential potentially
allowing mixed-use development in the
[51:52] commercial Corridor District right now
it's just essentially a business
[51:55] district
um and there is no parking requirements
[52:00] in the commercial Corridor District so
that would some you know maybe have to
[52:03] be some type of consideration
um but with that I'll turn it over to
[52:08] the Planning Commission you did see
there's a there are currently five
[52:11] mixed-use development buildings within
the commercial Corridor District those
[52:15] are considered legal non-conforming at
this at this time but I'll turn it over
[52:19] to the Planning Commission for any
comments or Direction very good thank
[52:23] you Mr cranvik
all right guys any uh
[52:27] questions comments
considerations discussion
[52:32] I think it's a great idea
[52:35] they've been through that area in
Moorhead
[52:39] properly went to that Brewery
[52:42] probably I can admit to anything but
it's it's um it's pretty amazing the
[52:49] amount of people are all walking around
[52:54] are you envisioning this as a
conditional use
[52:57] or as a so yeah mixed use development is
a conditional use kind of throughout all
[53:02] of our districts so it ended up being a
conditional use yeah okay
[53:08] I think that's the key for me also
hugely powerful tool but
[53:13] it's allowed but we're you know then
allowed to attach conditions to better
[53:16] control
any other questions for staff comments
[53:21] Mr chair yes please Mr Gorham my
question a lot of it uh to you Mr
[53:26] krampik sent us around what is
Washington Street going to look like
[53:30] when the when the redo is done in other
words is it going to be the kind of
[53:33] street that will actually support what
we're trying to do I like that you have
[53:36] mixed use on there I think that's
tremendous I think it's something we've
[53:40] kind of talked about before of trying to
turn Washington Street and slow it down
[53:44] and get more out of it and create a more
hospitable place and the question is do
[53:50] we think the highway plan as presented
so far I guess it's done at this point
[53:53] is it going to support it
you know that's something I can bring up
[53:58] with the public works department as well
our city engineer to get his thoughts on
[54:01] that part and certainly provide a report
kind of on the the next part if we do
[54:04] bring some type of draft ordinance
um I think you know to your point of
[54:08] trying to slow traffic down you know
right now some of these places and you
[54:12] see you see in the the 2008 picture it's
just these large expanses and you know
[54:17] the more you have these large expanses
the you know it kind of feels almost
[54:20] more like a super highway that's going
through here you know traffic speeds up
[54:24] you know one of our con or one of our
conditions within the commercial
[54:29] Corridor district is to bring buildings
closer also adding height is going to
[54:33] kind of frame this and and I think you
know have the desired effect of
[54:37] potentially you know helping slow
traffic or calm traffic slightly
[54:42] thank you
yes sure yeah Brent can you freeze that
[54:47] picture for just a second
um
[54:50] wouldn't it be cool if you had like a
Skyway across and you know thinking
[54:56] about the thinking about the Washington
example I mean being able to join these
[55:01] kinds of buildings to to to provide
another way across a busy
[55:06] State Highway in addition to all of the
the things that are in the design for
[55:11] 2025 or 2026 reconstruction of
Washington Street so this this kind of
[55:17] what you see there would lend itself to
being able to to give you that
[55:21] alternative and you can imagine those
being a publicly accessible uh maybe
[55:26] it's a stairwell elevator system on the
corner of those buildings that gets you
[55:31] crossed as well so it's also going to be
able to serve our Ada folks as well so
[55:36] just a comment about ways to that that
could help us
[55:40] we do actually have a couple of examples
of kind of what this looks like when
[55:44] both The Sawmill Sawmill which has main
floor commercial residential above as
[55:50] well as the bicycle shop same similar
kind of concept sitting close to the
[55:54] road commercial on the bottom storefront
on the bottom residential on top so it's
[55:59] kind of a little bit the look
[56:02] any other discussion
um Mr chair yes please I'm I'm
[56:08] enthusiastically in support of the idea
of mixed use in this area I
[56:13] I think this is rather hideous in a lot
of ways
[56:18] um just from a design standpoint and I
mean if you
[56:22] if the idea is we want to restrict the
first floor to Commercial and the rest
[56:28] be residential I I've seen a lot of
success where instead of doing it that
[56:35] way you actually have
what would be a very light architectural
[56:40] standard
uh not the kind of architectural
[56:43] standard where you're speccing the type
of siding and the color and all that but
[56:46] you're expecting where the door opens up
onto uh how wide the ground floor units
[56:53] can be so you don't get kind of a
monolithic you know thing if you look at
[56:57] the building on the left it's actually
pushed back quite a bit from Where the
[57:01] Sidewalk would be and the openings are
not on that side so if you're walking
[57:04] through there it's kind of as almost as
desolate as it was in the pre-picture
[57:09] there's really no interaction on the
other side you get a little bit of
[57:13] interaction but the doors are on the
side of the building not on the street
[57:17] side and so you lose that kind of
connectivity
[57:21] I I tried one in Greenville South
Carolina not too long ago where they had
[57:27] a similar concept but on the first floor
they were very flexible about
[57:31] residential and Commercial and they were
they didn't have enough commercial to
[57:35] fill the space initially and so they had
a couple that were residential on the
[57:39] first floor but they from the street
wise they opened up the same way and
[57:43] they looked the same way and I talked to
the developer and he's like yeah as soon
[57:47] as we fill these we're going to make
these commercial too but again kind of
[57:52] like with the last one it was a way to
cash flow it in the interim because
[57:56] there was more residential demand than
there was commercial demand I also you
[58:00] know step back and look at the second
and third stories and
[58:05] yes you know having them as residences
is really great but when you allow them
[58:10] the flexibility to also be office or
something else again you you just get a
[58:15] building that functions more like the
Easy Rider store would have functioned
[58:20] historically or the the the
Samoan with a function historically
[58:24] where
you're kind of
[58:28] you know whatever works as long as it's
at this scale
[58:32] I think what we'd want to get away from
is the idea that like on the left you'd
[58:37] have one big wall for a you know 500
feet with no uh no you know no breakup
[58:44] in the continuity no human interaction
because that just kills your your
[58:48] walkability
so I'm enthusiastic but I wouldn't I
[58:52] wouldn't approach it the way that it's
being recommended I would tweak
[58:56] the standard a little bit uh from what
is being recommended
[59:04] all the comments so so basically
broadening the staff assignment to
[59:10] to bring in some sort of architectural
considerations
[59:14] um
in addition to just sort of that
[59:17] residential use
as they're proposal yeah I I feel like
[59:20] developers would be more open to
it kind of standard that allow them a
[59:25] lot of flexibility and use in exchange
for a little bit of um
[59:29] you know design requirements
and we talked about stepping back upper
[59:35] floors a certain distance in some of our
previous conversations through the comp
[59:39] plan and and the development of the
ordinance here
[59:42] right that that storefront and maybe you
step back from the street on the next
[59:47] level up or maybe two levels up and
gives you less of that that wall effect
[59:52] and more texture if you would a visual
texture to the wall it would depend on
[59:57] the the place
um you know if you have a wide Street
[1:00:02] width you can go quite a bit up before
it starts to feel that way
[1:00:06] on a narrower Street you you've got some
height
[1:00:10] yeah the height would be different
but in this Zone I mean I you could go
[1:00:15] three or four stories before you had
that effect
[1:00:18] in any way
commercials Corridor correct is
[1:00:22] Washington Street
yep that's correct so commercial
[1:00:26] corridor from the river to about the Cub
Food area that's that's considered
[1:00:31] commercial Corridor Cub Food then would
be General commercial any kind of kind
[1:00:35] of the certain models around it and then
once you cross the river that's General
[1:00:38] commercial as well so we have some
defined
[1:00:42] parameters within the road in the the
width of what we're talking about yeah
[1:00:46] you generally I mean it's a kind of a
three to one six to one ratio of width
[1:00:51] to height
gives you a good proportions so you
[1:00:54] wouldn't you wouldn't want to
step back until you exceeded that
[1:01:02] and that's a pretty big building
[1:01:07] yes please Mr cranbic yeah so I do think
Mr Marone made some some excellent
[1:01:11] comments there on the building look
certainly when I look at the building on
[1:01:15] the left-hand side you know there's
really no interest to that and and uh
[1:01:18] you know it doesn't look like a
particularly pleasing building
[1:01:22] um I know just getting the resonance
down here is what really has spurred
[1:01:25] development to some of the other
buildings so kind of my recommendation
[1:01:29] with this is uh we haven't really talked
about you know kind of next steps after
[1:01:34] our parking ordinance so and I do have
that in my staff report where the
[1:01:38] parking commission will be meeting
August 2nd to go over the parking
[1:01:42] ordinance and then at the August meeting
we'll bring the draft of the parking
[1:01:46] ordinance and then there's kind of next
steps on what we work on next
[1:01:50] um so staff was going to recommend
actually looking at our design standards
[1:01:55] um at our next one and and taking a look
in our in our general development and
[1:01:59] design standards so I think this would
be a relatively easy one adding mixed
[1:02:04] use to the commercial Corridor but if we
did those in conjunction function with
[1:02:07] reviewing our design standards I I and
staff is going to recommend we look at
[1:02:11] it for single family two to four as well
as as five plus and multi-family so kind
[1:02:16] of looking a whole at a whole thing for
our design standards um I think these
[1:02:20] could two could be you know kind of done
simultaneously
[1:02:24] yes please and how much of a wrench does
the parking question
[1:02:30] how much of a wrench do we throw into if
you start requiring parking design
[1:02:34] elements into architectural design for
mixed use
[1:02:40] so yeah so right now we're working on
the parking ordinance um parking parking
[1:02:44] commission is going to review out one
thing that we did toss around with the
[1:02:46] next one is in our Main Street downtown
district maybe there's a requirement to
[1:02:52] um you know have half the amount of
required parking spaces
[1:02:55] um for a place or you know maybe simply
that uh that there's gonna have to be
[1:02:59] some type of parking plan
provided by the developer in order to to
[1:03:04] construct a project like this as part of
a conditional use permit so there's a
[1:03:07] couple things I think we still have to
work out with our parking commission as
[1:03:11] plant and Planning Commission on you
know how this would really work because
[1:03:14] obviously you know a large building like
this would need parking so whether it's
[1:03:18] you know whether they're coming some
agreement to a property next to them
[1:03:23] some joint you know joint agreement or
they're doing underground parking
[1:03:27] um you know that's kind of how staff
envisions that but uh you know getting
[1:03:30] some direction here would you know maybe
help provide us some direction then as
[1:03:35] we're going to the Planning Commission
and kind of future
[1:03:38] um future parking commission meetings on
on working on the parking ordinance
[1:03:42] thank you James yeah Mr Norwood I'll
just jump in on that also I would say as
[1:03:46] a I mean from a developer's perspective
parking can have a huge impact on how
[1:03:51] you would attack a project or and even
possibly complete viability if we were
[1:03:55] to say for instance
say you have to have underground parking
[1:03:59] or something like that
you could be potentially imposing
[1:04:02] Financial burdens
that would make render virtually all
[1:04:07] projects you know not not viable that's
an extreme case but to answer your
[1:04:11] question it could have an impact yes
especially if it's minimums
[1:04:15] um
you know
[1:04:19] all right uh just any other discussion
conversation here
[1:04:24] so staff is looking for us uh you know
is is looking for us to direct them to
[1:04:30] revise the zoning code to allow for
multi-use in the in the corridor
[1:04:34] District it sounds like we still have
some heavy lifting to do as far as
[1:04:37] potential design standards architectural
standards even maybe overlaid with
[1:04:42] parking standards and that but I think
we're just kind of generally you're
[1:04:46] looking for some head nodding to say
yeah we kind of like where this is going
[1:04:51] so at this point I'm going to ask for
people who are head shakers not knotters
[1:04:55] okay very good you got what you need
James you think we do have what we need
[1:04:59] all right fantastic this may be just a
follow-up if we are
[1:05:02] um you know just to build off of what uh
director pram said about the cue of
[1:05:08] other things that you know as we as we
start wrapping up the parking if we
[1:05:13] could look at the Grand list
and and we you know so as as we think
[1:05:18] about
um
[1:05:20] placing this or something else in that
queue just to be helpful just to refresh
[1:05:25] ourselves or at this beyond the
six-month point be helpful to just
[1:05:28] refresh yourself as we've gotten close
to knocking off one of those is the are
[1:05:33] the priorities still the same and we can
bring that to the next meeting yep
[1:05:38] we could start meeting weekly
[1:05:42] I'm almost there very good uh okay
um I was going to move on
[1:05:49] we're going to move on now just uh so
everyone knows as you read the packet
[1:05:53] item 7c was technically canceled for
tonight but it was actually postponed to
[1:05:58] the next meeting just so everyone knows
that we'll be uh re-emerging in our near
[1:06:01] future I'm going to move on to item
number eight which is our public forum
[1:06:05] um I'd like to make a motion relating
back to 7A
[1:06:09] um to direct staff to investigate
approaches
[1:06:14] precedence benefits consequences of
limiting short-term rentals in our city
[1:06:20] and to just report back to us on what
examples are out there what's the I mean
[1:06:25] we've had some discussion about the pro
and con here at this desk and and
[1:06:29] whether we could have a look at that
um you know and I wouldn't put that I
[1:06:33] guess I might put it on that list though
stuff but I would like to to see us
[1:06:39] have a good careful eye at that and then
and then some information we can act on
[1:06:44] so I'd like to offer that motion please
uh so yeah we have a motion uh there do
[1:06:49] you have a grasp on the motion you okay
with what we get what he's asking to be
[1:06:52] done here okay and we got a motion a
second uh any discussion I'm just going
[1:06:57] to jump in real quick I think it's
probably a good good idea because I have
[1:06:59] this feeling in the back of my head that
when the comprehensive plan was written
[1:07:02] nobody was asking is there a need for
short-term rental this is to me
[1:07:06] the conference plan perhaps doesn't
cover it or address it as a need because
[1:07:11] it really didn't exist or was even if it
did exist it wasn't acknowledged as uh
[1:07:16] as a performing status in our in our
community so I think it's a great
[1:07:20] exercise and uh for you know good idea
for us to get our head wrapped around
[1:07:24] how it's doing what other communities
are doing and how we can better apply it
[1:07:28] so excellent point thank you uh so we
have a motion a second any other
[1:07:31] discussion hearing none all those in
favor signify by saying aye aye opposed
[1:07:36] same sign very good thank you
okay so I'm going to open the public
[1:07:39] forum at 707. uh this is the time for
anyone to come forward who have might
[1:07:43] have anything they would love to chat
about before this esteemed commission do
[1:07:47] we have anyone in line I went online and
I see no one in the house so I'm going
[1:07:51] to close the public forum at 707 and we
are going to move on to item number nine
[1:07:55] which is Staff reports uh whoever raises
their hand first goes first
[1:07:59] no one's there we go James kramdick
you're up so update on vcv uh so vcv has
[1:08:04] not contacted the Community Development
Department this is the cryptocurrency
[1:08:07] that purchased the industrial park lots
they've not contacted staffs and service
[1:08:11] plans are approved by the Eda for
buildings instead of outdoor storage as
[1:08:15] a principal use I do believe they're
still working with Brainerd Public
[1:08:19] Utilities on kind of final utility plans
and getting the power that they need to
[1:08:23] their site so
um but for the last couple of months
[1:08:26] staff has not heard anything about a
building permit or or any I guess
[1:08:31] anything from them on on that front
um I did mention the parking commission
[1:08:35] will be meeting August 2nd to review the
draft of the ostrich parking ordinance
[1:08:39] and a final draft will come back to the
Planning Commission on August 16th so
[1:08:42] that'll be kind of the final review and
then the next Planning Commission would
[1:08:45] be the actual public hearing so a few
more steps to that
[1:08:49] for the draft of the parking ordinance
also at the last city council meeting
[1:08:54] the council did hold the first reading
for the Country Manor planned unit
[1:08:58] development District uh so that's the
ordinance amendment to create the new
[1:09:02] zoning District they did also approve
the preliminary and final plat as well
[1:09:06] as the concept plan and general
development plan for the Pud in order
[1:09:11] for the final plat and the preliminary
plot to be approved there will have to
[1:09:15] be a second reading of the ordinance as
well as as well as approval from city
[1:09:20] council after that Country Manor will
have to work with the city of Brainerd
[1:09:25] on a development agreement and then
bring a final plan for their planned
[1:09:29] unit development so those are kind of
next steps I'd anticipate probably two
[1:09:32] or three months to resolve some of some
of that stuff and kind of last one city
[1:09:37] council approved the Redevelopment Tift
and Redevelopment Tiff plan for 805
[1:09:41] Laurel Street at the last city council
as well and with that that's everything
[1:09:44] I have very good thank you Mr Edwards
you have anything
[1:09:48] um yes just briefly and it sort of came
up during the discussion of the interim
[1:09:53] use permit that this property has had
things come along in the past and one of
[1:09:58] the things that we were working on in
the department is building a running
[1:10:01] two-year list
at least for the city council level of
[1:10:06] the
Planning and Zoning processes that have
[1:10:10] gone through Planning Commission and
city council and where they're at in the
[1:10:15] process currently so that we can have a
clearer picture of once something comes
[1:10:21] through this commission or the council
for instance if it's a conditional use
[1:10:25] permit and that was supposed to prompt
some action and nothing has happened for
[1:10:30] two years that might be something that's
good to note or in a rezoning or
[1:10:35] something along that line so that is
something we're actively working on
[1:10:38] creating which may be a helpful
reference that'll be in our community
[1:10:42] development report for city council
awesome okay thank you Mr Edwards
[1:10:46] anything Mr bomber nothing tonight okay
we're going to move to item number ten
[1:10:51] this is our commission member reports
I'll start with my left anyone who would
[1:10:54] like to go promote anything
Tiffany Mr Norwood nothing to add I got
[1:11:00] in front of you anyways you know that
works see I started laughing okay I just
[1:11:04] have one quick thing uh I was able to
attend I believe was Friday the 14th uh
[1:11:09] this was the yeah this is the Italia
quartet that happened at our brand new
[1:11:13] uh Park uh the Lyman P wide park and it
was uh phenomenal I just want to say uh
[1:11:19] people there was about 120 130 people
there they were having a fantastic time
[1:11:24] it sounded good it looked good off in
the uh on the Riverside there was about
[1:11:28] a dozen kids who were playing on the uh
playground equipment which was highly
[1:11:33] criticized as to whether or not it would
be played upon not a playground it's
[1:11:36] play area that the play area and the
kids were there non-stop for an hour
[1:11:40] over an hour and a half straight and
never left so and uh having fun also I
[1:11:45] will say that a couple members from the
uh from the lake Sarah Music Festival
[1:11:49] came forward and uh spoke very highly of
the development in our city and just
[1:11:56] what a what treasure that was to have
something like that in support of the
[1:12:00] Arts so uh just wanted to shout out that
uh good job to everyone that worked on
[1:12:05] that and offer some positive feedback on
on our beautiful park down there that's
[1:12:10] all I have
you anything I knew you're going to say
[1:12:14] that anything else uh down the road up
yep Mr Duvall
[1:12:19] um pass okay very good uh with that
we'll be looking for a motion to an
[1:12:24] adjournment
make a motion to adjourn got a motion to
[1:12:27] adjourn second and a second all those in
favor signify by saying aye aye opposed
[1:12:32] same sign thank you everyone