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Is termship of Board of Branch Board of Adjustment meeting? We'll call the session to order. It is 734 adequate

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notice of this meeting has been provided by the annual notice forward to the carrier news and star ledger and posted on the bulletin board of the municipal building and filed with the Township Clerk as required by law. All the proceedings in this meeting are being recorded by an electronic recording device pursuant to the provisions of the New Jersey municipal land use law, all persons speaking,

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will speak one at a time and give his or her name and address the clerk of the board

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will remind anyone not being properly recorded to please speak more clearly or closer

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to the microphone. The attorneys request that identify themselves and whom they represent

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at the start of each case and get up any business with the board in front of a microphone.

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We ask that there's quiet in the room and everyone is asked to be as quiet as possible when

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entering your leaving. No new cases will be heard after 930 and no new testimony will be heard

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after 10pm. Please join me in the salute to the flag.

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Can we ID for the recorder, please?

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Our quade.

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Thank you, Cook.

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Rich Albinese.

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Paschewalch.

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Larry Fox.

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Sean Sullivan.

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Michael Katita.

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Sean Anderson.

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We have application to be heard this evening.

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This case number 2026-006 AUVP of S.P. Commerce Park Investors,

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you ready to begin?

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Yes, sorry about that.

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Any hear me, okay?

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Yep.

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Okay.

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Good evening, Mr. Chairman.

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Members of the Board Board Professionals.

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Members of the public.

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My name is Michael Silver.

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I'm an attorney at the Law for a Murphy Schiller and Wilson L.P.

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And I'm here this evening on behalf of the applicant, Commerce Park Investors 12 LLC.

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In connection with an application for preliminary and final major site plan approval with D1

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use variants relief along with associated bulk variants relief and design waivers.

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This application concerns the property located at 22 Reddington Road, known as Block 9.02,

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Lock 28, situated in the township's I1 industrial zone district.

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The property consists of approximately 9.95 acres and is improved with an existing approximately

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83,000 square foot building, single story, formerly used for industrial purposes.

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Together with a secondary building, approximately 1861 square feet, along with various parking

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areas, a man made fire pond and associated site improvements.

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property has frontage along Reddington Road to the southeast and mice are having you to the

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southwest.

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I think the board should be apprised of that the applicant over the past couple of years has

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already undertaken substantial capital investment towards the site, including parking lot improvements

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facade enhancements and landscaping.

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So this is all part of the process and is years in the making.

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So the idea here is to take and under utilize industrial property and hopefully

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transform it into a productive community serving recreational sports facility.

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So one thing I wanted to note is that

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When this application was originally filed, the project was structured as approximately 70% recreational uses, and that the applicant was intending to keep approximately 30% of the remaining space, and utilize that space for light industrial and warehouse uses, or or manufacturer manual manual manual manual manual uses, the applicant is no longer going to proceed on that basis, so as of tonight, the applicant is going to proceed on the basis that the property will be used.

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100% for indoor recreational sports uses, so in other words, the applicant's going to forego

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the industrial component with the belief that you'll hear in our test one of this evening

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that the site functions better as one use. And I think that's a significant move even before

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we get into our testimony this evening. The elimination of the industrial component actually eliminates

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an entire D1 use variance, that would have otherwise have been required.

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So again, this voluntary restructuring of the project is intended to not only improve

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the project in reality, but also on paper and with respect to the relief that we're

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seeking before the board.

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We are though seeking a D1 use variance because recreational uses, recreational sports uses

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are not permitted in the I1 industrial zone district.

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For context, you'll hear this evening reference to the 2023 Township Master Plan

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Reexamination Report, which your other board adopted a number of years back, and you'll

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hear testimony this evening that explicitly calls attention to the recommendation that

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industrial properties throughout the township be repurposed for more recreational community-oriented

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uses, and we believe that we're advancing that the planning board's recommendation by way of the

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application.

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So I just want to address briefly the scope of the relief being sought. So I had mentioned

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that D1 use variants. I believe that's the sole use variants that will be that will be seeking

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in front of the board tonight. Although I defer to your planner ultimately and to the board,

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obviously. There's a couple other bulk variances that may be required. One of the bulk

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variances that was identified in your planner's report was a possible bulk variances for

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parking standard for recreational uses where your ordinance does not provide an explicit

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parking calculation. We're providing, as shown on our plans, 124 parking spaces and per the

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submitted traffic impact analysis that you'll hear testimony on this evening.

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We have calculated originally that 109 parking spaces were required, so we don't believe

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we need a variance, but we intend to demonstrate that to the board.

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There's a couple of variances and design waivers that are identified on the report.

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I'll just briefly list them so section 4-5.2 of your land development ordinance frontage buffer

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where a 35 foot frontage buffer is required for non-residential properties. Again, and you'll

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hear me say this repeatedly before I call my first witness. We're dealing with an existing

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site. Yes, there's a change of use. There are site improvements. There are a lot of the

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non-conformities that are on the property exist and we would be happy to work with the board in improving

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the property, making it better. I think that some of the buffering requirements would be

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actually more appropriate if the property were to remain industrial, because the use of shifting,

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perhaps the board might view some of the landscaping requirements, some of the parking lot and

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requirements less appropriate, but just quickly the other, the other relief that we're seeking

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again is the parking space location where non-residential parking is required to be in the rear

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or side yards and parking exists in the front yard.

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This is a corner lot.

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So again, existing condition.

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That's identified as a design wafer.

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Parking setback.

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Parking lots must be a minimum of 20 feet

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from the property line.

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We don't have our parking spaces, I believe,

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within 20 feet, but arguably the lot is within 20 feet

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of myster Avenue.

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Again, existing non-conformity.

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parking lot landscaping where parking lots containing more than 100 vehicles require a minimum of 8% of the parking area

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landscapes with shrubs. Again, we don't comply with that currently. There's a requirement for planting islands, shade trees, street trees,

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And loading areas.

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So there's also a comment regarding steep slopes. I'll note that there's a fire pond on the on the property. There are slopes that are being disturbed, but they're all in the end made slopes associated with this fire pond that's been on the property for a number of years.

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And then we have an existing non-conformity with the Myster Avenue driveway with.

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So, I have with me this evening, two known committed tenants, meaning they have sign

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leases.

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The first is soccer world LLC, he's represented tonight by managing member Ricardo Martinez.

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Second, I have on-car benches, I'll see doing business as you go sports arena represented

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tonight by Nikette Desai, so I intend to call both of those tenants or the board can ask questions

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and I can ask questions of them as to their operations.

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There's actually an additional tenant that does not have a sign least to my knowledge.

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He's here in attendance this evening in connection with a cheerleading facility called Evelucian

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and perhaps we can bring them all up so that we can be efficient and go through operations

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to give the board the best picture of what each tenant intends to do with the delineated space.

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Other uses that are that we were considering for the other 32% of the property were tenants

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haven't been identified for, again, where that was that cheer use, gymnastics, wrestling.

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So similar uses, the point that I'm trying to stress and highlight for the board is that,

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in no way are we seeking approval for some sort of like large scale membership gym.

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We're not looking to do an L.A. fitness or a O.I.M.C.A. use here, that's not certainly not what we're

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seeking so you're not going to see treadmills and ellipticals and freeweights, freeweights jammed

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into the property and into each space. So we're trying to look at uses that generate lower traffic

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demands then, you know, a YMCA type type use here.

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So, with the Board's permission, I'll be presenting the witnesses.

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Five witnesses this evening, Mr. Craig Steyer's, our civil engineer, Benjamin Horton,

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our architect, the tenants,

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Gary Dean of Dolan and Dean, our traffic expert, and then

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close out our hearing. I have just an OCLO our professional planner.

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So Mr. Chairman actually

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before I do that. Mr. Warner, if I could just confirm that the board has efficient

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notice to proceed with the application? Yes. The, as I always do for the board, when the

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applicant, certainly.

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I did review the notice, found the contents of the sufficient.

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I still find it to be sufficient in light of the fact that now we know that one of the

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D1 uses may be proposed to be eliminated, one of the two D1 use pariances proposed to be

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eliminated by virtue of the representation that the applicant is now pursuing a D1 use

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variants for a non-permitted into our recreation use for the entirety of the site as I just

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heard for confirmation purposes, so it's still sufficient notice.

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By way of content, timely served and published served on August 18th, published on August

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18th and 19th, multiple publications, qualified publications, and both of those days being

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at least 10 days prior to the evening, so the Board does have jurisdiction to

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hear and decide the application, and with the chair's permission, I can swear in

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the multitude of witnesses, including our Board professionals, all three of our

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Board professionals who are here to get that out of the way and make sure we don't

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miss anybody.

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It sounds good.

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I'm going to proceed.

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So everybody who may be testifying tonight, applicants witnesses and our

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board professionals will you all please raise your right hand and do all of you

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swear to God or affirm that the testimony you're about to give is the truth

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the whole truth that nothing but the truth thank you all that it doesn't

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okay thank you so I'd like to call our first witness mr. Craig styres our

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dungeon here.

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That's all right. Very nice water.

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First, first hearing, I've had the privilege to have water here, so it's a very nice accommodation. Thank you.

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That was mistake. That's okay.

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Well, I won't drink it.

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That's all right.

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Good, Mr. stars, you want to just credentials so freely for the board?

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Craig Steyer's President Steyer's Associates 43 West High Street in Summerville.

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I am a professional engineer in Stain, New Jersey in Pennsylvania.

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I had my first hearing here before the planning board many years ago and I've had many meetings

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since then before both of your boards.

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Yeah.

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So good.

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Thank you.

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Mr. Steyer is that you oversee and or prepare the site plan before the board this evening.

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Yes I did.

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And would you be so kind to lock the board through the plan?

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Sure.

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You hit most of my comments though, but I'll go through it again.

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As Mike said, the existing site is known as 22 Reddington Road, or Block 9.02, lot 28 located

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in the I-I-1 zone.

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It's located at the northwest corner of the intersection of Reddington Road, and Mice Thur Avenue.

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And has 9.95 acres of land.

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The site certainly contains a one story industrial building just under 82,000 square feet.

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And associated parking.

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Again, as Mike said, there is a fire pond in the back.

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Um, what I guess in the Northwest corner used to be like a, uh, material storage area.

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Um, in 2025, I believe it was early 2025, the applicant purchased a property from Taylor

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Forge.

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Um, Taylor Forge had it for many years prior to that, and over time, you know, the building

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became dilapidated prior to the purchase by the applicant.

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Since that time, he's invested, as Mike said,

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substantial amount of money renovating the existing building.

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New Windows, the facade has been painted.

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The parking lot has been repaid, restrived.

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And I think the original intent was to obviously

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find industrial user, but with the changes in the township and the township code regarding industrial

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buildings, they kind of pivoted and started looking at the recreational uses that could potentially

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be in there. Ultimately, it would be something similar to the Bridgeworge complex, which is

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on the road, which was also a former industrial use

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brewery that was converted to the use that's there now,

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and has been quite successful since it's been put in there.

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Again, the proposal is to renovate the space

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into, at this point, two new tenants for recreational use.

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And as Mike said, converting originally,

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Maybe when we submitted this, the southern components of the building were going to remain

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industrial.

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That is now off the table and they will be trying to find recreational tenements as well.

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Again, there is a fire pond in the back and part of the renovations that the applicant

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made was to tie the existing site into public water off of Mr. Avenue and essentially eliminate

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the need for that fire pond.

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Now, the fire pond has been eliminated, it comes, becomes somewhat of a liability.

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So, there are also looking to do is the fill in the fire pond.

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Through the, after the submission of the application, I talked to a dog and,

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between, some of the renovation, and obviously mostly related to the fire pond,

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There is grading that would need to be obviously done to fill in upon, which causes to be a

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gore the threshold of a major development.

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So then that comes, pulls in the play store and water management, and various other items

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because it's a major development.

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At the same time, I think now it kind of becomes, in my mind, two applications.

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One is to try and get the approval for the recreational use and the two tenants that are here before you tonight.

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And secondarily is the dealing with the rest of the site itself.

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And completing the renovations of the property to bring it to what I consider a much better condition than getting ready to that pond.

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Hopefully that should the application be approved, we can get those tenants in there that can move forward accordingly.

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And then, essentially, I've made the commitment to Doug to work with him and his staff to get the necessary approvals,

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rules, because now you're pulling in soil, soil conservation district, as well as their approval,

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which is appropriate, because some of the things, like I said, most of the things to the

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point, to date was renovating the building and paving the existing parking lot and cleaning

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things up.

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But now we're getting into some grading and miscellaneous other things, so getting all those

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necessary approvals, I think is appropriate as Doug has brought up.

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As far as the recreational uses, most of the improvements have done already, like I said,

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the parking lot has been paved and striped, so along the front edge of Ridington Road,

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as well as on the, I guess, would be the north side of the building, there is a, what I

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are existing striping now. We would have to add some, I think it's 13 spots in the rear

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of the building to get to that 120 that are physically striped, 124 if you take into account

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the EV spots. And then also we did add some additional parking on either side of the entrances

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for the units themselves. So I put one 24 with the credits for the EV.

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And we have also proposed a front-inch buffering, when they first started or purchased the building,

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the front, front-inch along, runnington road was overgrown and what they've done is kind

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of clean out that undergrowth, they've raised the canopy, the trees.

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But the trees aren't good condition, they're good size.

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And if you look up and down ranked in road, it probably has the most vegetation along its own

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frontage than a lot of these other industrial buildings.

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One of the comments from the Environmental Commission was to kind of make this the gateway

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coming into Branchberg coming into running to in road.

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So I think with the combination of the higher canopy tree line and then what we're proposing

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with the buffering along the parking lot, it's not 35 feet, which is what is required in the industrial zone.

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But it is, I believe, wide enough and high enough that would block the parking and the vehicle is parked along the Reddington Road.

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And the combination of the lower vegetation with the tree lines that are there, I think it would be very nice.

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And I think would accomplish that kind of that gateway appearance coming, coming down, running

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to road.

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There are some additional plantings and I should the application be approved.

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I would, again, be more than happy to work with Kendra to supplement the landscaping.

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But as far as the rest of the crux of the application, I think that's everything I've got

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to this point.

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Okay, I'm just going to ask a couple questions from the report from the various reports we received.

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I'm actually, if it's okay, I'm going to start with the fire of the UMMO.

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Okay, if I can.

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So are you comfortable that the township's largest firefighting apparatus and equipment can safely circulate the site?

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And if it's needed, we can provide a truck turning template or radius that effect is demonstrated.

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Yes, and then I think additionally was the fire hydrant.

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So the FDC is currently in the back of the building.

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They, again, they just brought the new water line in and it goes pretty much right past that FDC.

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So to put a hydrant in would be in a perfect location of where they're looking to have it installed.

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and then we're also paving that drive way in the back which is really mostly a

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emergency access around the building so that would kind of play into accomplishing

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the requirements as well.

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So then was there any comment in that report that you felt that we couldn't

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comply with?

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Okay, good, just

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for the record, that's the August.

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21, 20, 26 fire marshals, memorandum correct? Yes. Thank you. Thank you.

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All right, Mr. Olivo.

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Okay, let's turn to Mr. Balls report.

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Can you speak about the existing driveway with and perhaps Mr. Dean will testify to this also, but it was noted in Mr. Balls August 20th,

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in 2006 report we've kind of 16 about the existing 22-foot wide drive aisle.

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Yes, that's off of Mr. Avenue and I think it's acceptable with the 22-foot wide and

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I think Gary will testify to that as well.

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Yeah, it's just in that one location though, it then becomes larger than the one you get in

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the loading area, it widens out and then the driveway that we're putting in is actually 24 foot

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wide around the back. So you're comfortable with the existing condition? Yes. Okay.

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Can I just interject? What's the dimension between the backs of the stalls? The drive aisle between

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I believe we had it. It was 25 feet.

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It's supposed to be 26.

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If you can both speak it in the mic, please.

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It's 25 feet. It's on the horizontal control plan.

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I believe that is 24, but it's not mentioned on the plan.

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It looks at different.

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The one side looks far greater than.

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Which if that's 25 feet that has to be far less than 25 feet.

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I'd have to check that.

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And will children be dropped off on that location?

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Yeah, in the location.

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I can't answer that because right now there's no tenant in that.

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Which you're having recreational space in those units.

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Yes.

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Of which, kids will be dropped off.

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Yeah, I think this is, because we spoke about this prior to our hearing, so I think Mr.

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Dean has prepared to address drop off locations, pedestrian safety traversing through

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the parking lot.

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I did note that those comments were in both of your emails.

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Does that, in reference to the rear of the property?

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If you're looking from Readington Road to the left there's two units to which was

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formerly opposed as industrial right now proposing it as a recreational space which

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will have you know kids going in that of course that's a narrow drive-by of

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requiring a design waiver so

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so just looking at sheet three of the nine the

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horizontal plan if that's what we're referring to yeah we just for the benefit of

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towards show us where what specific drive aisle we're talking about?

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So if you're looking, this is where the proposed industrial space is.

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We drive aisle in between some of those units in front.

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Where are the parking stalls?

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That's that's that.

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Yeah, it's shown as 20 right now.

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So it's 20 feet.

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And what are the stalls?

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18.

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Which complains.

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But I mean, I understand that it is a design way for both those space.

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The spaces are there now and have been in the past.

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What's the width of this clause?

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We

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could probably pick up the additional four feet, going in because there's room in the front

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and as well, between the front payment, edge payment and the building.

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So we could probably pick up the additional four feet.

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What is the current dimension of the parking as it exists today

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off the front of the building?

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From the face of the building to the front.

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Or actually more importantly, what's the dimension of the staircase that you have to meet up with?

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It's not a case about to the first step, it's about five feet.

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So you can fit four feet and then step onto the step.

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Yeah, that we can come forward towards running the road.

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We can remove the space to confirm the stairs.

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Yeah, we could remove the spaces in front of the stairs.

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And how is the ADX accessibility supposed to happen?

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That still has to be worked out.

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I mean, at this point, like we said,

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we have since the plans were submitted,

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it was industrial and recreational.

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you know, we have designed the plans to the two tenants that are to the north,

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and there's

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nothing committed to the southern side, so there are modifications that need to be made

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to that portion of the building, whether it's accessibility and dealing with the parking

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and drop-off.

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I think it, again, I think it's the commitment to make sure that we get these two tenants

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in and if we will continue to work with Doug to get the appropriate designs for the site.

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But I think at the same time we have to have a commitment of the tenant space in ANB as well to be able to deal with it appropriately.

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It's a question Mr. Chairman.

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The application, the parking and traffic which you haven't talked about traffic, but the parking requirement was based on the mixed usage.

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So now the parking requirement changes because it's going to be a hundred percent recreational that you have to recalculate that.

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We're prepared to do that this evening and it's a good question.

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What you're going to hear Mr. Dean testify to is that we were able to take six.

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We have no users for 68% of the site and we're anticipating users of similar elk.

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We're again not proposing an L.A. fitness for not proposing a Lyon say that would be higher traffic generators.

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So assuming that it's the same type of user, we can estimate.

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Traffic deferred because we haven't heard from the track.

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I'll talk about specifically parking.

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This is designed based on light industrial, partial recreational, and future.

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But the industrial calculation is different.

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It is so you you need to rework that number. I'm saying we we it's not in your

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PIA, that's in front of you this evening?

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What, like, yeah, what are we looking at? We don't have a plan.

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So, the ordinance doesn't have a parking. The ordinance does not afford us with the ability.

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We can't look at the ordinance and say, your ordinance requires X number of spaces for X number square feet of recreational space.

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We don't, we don't have that ability.

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What we did was, and I don't want to speak for our traffic engineer, but we used I-I-T-E established measures to estimate the parking requirements on a per-participant basis for the tenants that are known.

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But we would be in this, and what I imagine that we'll be presented this evening is that if we didn't have known tenants, if we had a shell, rec use, we would still have the same issues trying to

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estimate traffic. So what I can do is I can, I can, I can make caps. I can, we, you know,

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we can establish what can't go there. So there's not a blanket approval for all recreational

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uses. So if you have, for by way of example, somebody's using a soccer facility, a soccer

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field, you know beforehand how many people can possibly be using the soccer field at one time.

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So depending upon the type of recreational activity that's going on there, you're able

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to me, the number of park spaces required, it's when you have broad authority to put any type

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of record user and that's where you can run into problems, by way of example, an athletic,

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you know, a membership gym where somebody is going there and you have ellipticals lined

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up and treadmills lined up, that those are the high traffic generators.

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There we are.

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And I'll stop asking the same question.

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It's a good question.

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I hope we can address this.

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the calculation away from the industrial usage, and at least use the same baseline that you propose

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here for the partial recreation, but I'll leave it at that.

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Understood.

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All right.

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So I just want to make sure where we landed on the drive aisle.

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So we're going to try to, we believe we can make it a 24 foot drive aisle.

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Okay.

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And that will that result in the reduction of the parking space?

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It depends on how we configure.

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I mean, we can either pull it towards the building,

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or we can pull the edge that's closest to running the road forward,

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which would create a more significant

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deviation with parking associated with it.

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What's the current step back?

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I just want to know if we're increasing this.

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Well, we would be clear the front-ish buffer but we would be further parked into the front yard.

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So I don't know if there's a preference.

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But the point is we can make it work.

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Yes.

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All right.

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Can you just speak briefly about lighting?

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The lighting we took at this point was the existing.

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We did just go out there and essentially do a light study.

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We put that information on the plans, some of the lights were off, so we would have to update that study anyway.

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But again, any of the changes and modifications that we need to do to make it comply, we will do.

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Okay.

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Are you okay with the frontage buffer being eaten into?

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I thought the plans had 35 feet of the current frontage.

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I'd like to stay on my lane, but...

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I would say the, I think,

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whatever comes of the conversation with landscaping in the

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frontage buffer would have to be considered if you do move it in that direction, competing

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for space along the building of foundation planings as well as ADA ramps that I would anticipate

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being installed in the frontage, so there's a lot of balancing that has to take place with

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site plan. I'd like to also mention fire egress access in the rear of the building. Are you going to get into that?

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Or is that the architect?

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I would leave that to the architect.

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I think most of the planning comments are things that were committed to working through.

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Yes.

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So, there wasn't was there any comment in the August 24th,

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2021's 26th report that you felt that we couldn't comply with or that we couldn't.

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Was there something that was an anything problematic in that report?

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It does report?

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No.

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In this.

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We rise report,

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August 24th, 2026, the planters report.

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Andrew's report,

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yep.

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Would we finish the engineering report?

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As far as the engineering, I would, like I said, I made a commitment with Doug to work this out,

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and as far as the stormwater management and things like that, I would be more than happy to work with

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hit himself and his staff. He's asked for, you know, just additional information with the basin

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that we are putting back there. Some of soil testing and updating the drainage report.

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And I have no problem with working with Doug to resolve that matter.

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Yeah. I would agree that we could work out a lot of the stormwater management

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facilities offline. I don't foresee any wrinkles in that. I would like to hear a little bit more

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further about this phase to prove with occupancy of certain units and not as it relates to

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life safety issues and 80 accessibility and parking in that so that's the traffic engineer

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is going to speak to those components or the traffic is going to speak to the parking

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calculations that were in his report submitted to the board as well as the impact to changing

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the use, and we'll address Mr. Fox's questions regarding how the calculations right now

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are based upon a blended parking count, and I would imagine he's going to testify that

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he feels that the parking is sufficient, even with changing from industrial to rec uses.

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But I think I'm the one that kind of brought up that phased approval.

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So, I would 100% I know are dogs gone with this, I agree, 100% that anything related to obviously

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life safety, whether it's the egress doors, whether it's the, even the lighting, the appropriate

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ADA access, appropriate parking and things like that.

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Those things would need to be in place even for a TCL.

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But I think the basin and the back and dealing with the grading in the back is something

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totally unrelated to the occupants that want to get in here and it's again the further

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upkeep and upgrade of the property so that's why I was trying to kind of break out the removal

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of the firepond and the stormwater management is kind of an ancillary to getting the tenants in

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there and making obviously everything as far as building code and life safety has got to be done

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as part of the TCL or CL.

446
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,540
If I could just add that when I mean life safety,

447
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:52,840
it's not just egressed doors,

448
00:47:53,140 --> 00:47:56,180
it's also drives around the perimeter of the rear of the building

449
00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:00,520
so that would have to account for emergency vehicle access.

450
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:02,680
Yes, 100%.

451
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:07,260
And I would have to defer the timing of the fire hydrant

452
00:48:07,260 --> 00:48:10,660
as it relates to the timing of the NETCO.

453
00:48:12,220 --> 00:48:15,340
Yeah, I think, I think, you know,

454
00:48:15,340 --> 00:48:20,940
I think that just by way of background, we attempted to try to avoid a major development from

455
00:48:20,940 --> 00:48:22,680
stormwater management standpoint.

456
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:28,860
So when we were at the drawing board, we were trying to stay within all of the parameters

457
00:48:28,860 --> 00:48:30,860
to make sure it was still true to as a monitor development.

458
00:48:32,100 --> 00:48:36,360
Once after we had submitted the application, it was classified as a major.

459
00:48:36,740 --> 00:48:44,480
I think that gives us much more flexibility as to how we can better utilize the site

460
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:45,880
to accommodate these uses.

461
00:48:46,220 --> 00:48:53,280
And I think, you know, this phase approach could certainly allow for that

462
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:57,120
because we'd be able to hopefully get the tenants in provided that we're meeting

463
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:58,640
the conditions of approval.

464
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:06,540
The other space wouldn't be utilized until we were, we come back with a design

465
00:49:06,540 --> 00:49:13,140
that can accommodate building A and B for this perspective tenant I had reference.

466
00:49:13,140 --> 00:49:16,540
but main focus is on the two tenants that are here this evening.

467
00:49:18,500 --> 00:49:24,140
So, we're saying, is it, you'd be the great able to have the kind of condition of approval

468
00:49:24,140 --> 00:49:28,560
and include the review of the stormwater management plan to the satisfaction of the township?

469
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:29,320
Of course.

470
00:49:30,140 --> 00:49:30,160
Yes.

471
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:37,780
What I'm saying is to the extent that it's necessary we would come back and if Mr. Paul wants

472
00:49:37,780 --> 00:49:43,460
to see anything with respect to built units A and B, or the board for that matter, we would

473
00:49:43,460 --> 00:49:47,080
happy to do that if a phased approach is preferred.

474
00:49:51,070 --> 00:49:53,410
From a planning standpoint, I would say

475
00:49:53,410 --> 00:49:58,550
where we wouldn't be seeking the 2D ones because we wouldn't utilize the industrial space.

476
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:16,300
The utilization of units A and B would be pending, either engineering, sign off or board sign off on the design, making sure we're meeting 88 requirements, safety, life safety requirements, et cetera.

477
00:50:16,900 --> 00:50:18,320
That's your business.

478
00:50:22,100 --> 00:50:23,980
Is that acceptable?

479
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:25,760
Yeah.

480
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:31,880
the phasiest and all approval with phased we can have phasing I guess one question I have maybe

481
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:40,540
more for most for Doug is for engineer should we have a phasing plan I mean we didn't even

482
00:50:40,540 --> 00:50:46,600
got to post this sort of you know the the verbiage that we're hearing tonight I mean I have no idea

483
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:54,000
what occupant wants to occupy the space at this point so this is like a very broad theoretical

484
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:54,720
discussed.

485
00:50:58,530 --> 00:51:03,630
And I think on who can go in there, which I don't know if the applicant would like.

486
00:51:04,410 --> 00:51:12,090
Well, we will have testimony from the two tenants that are here this evening to occupy the known units.

487
00:51:13,090 --> 00:51:17,730
So the board can be comfortable or hopefully will be comfortable with that.

488
00:51:17,730 --> 00:51:23,470
testimony and those known and there are absolutely unknowns with it with the

489
00:51:23,470 --> 00:51:28,470
other spaces like we do have the principle of evolution which is a cheerleading

490
00:51:28,470 --> 00:51:34,590
facility in Bridgewater if we have time I'd be happy to bring him up to to address

491
00:51:34,590 --> 00:51:38,350
the board that's another 8,000 square feet taken off the board so you're we're

492
00:51:38,350 --> 00:51:44,970
slowly chipping away but even even knowing the tenant that would go into what was

493
00:51:44,970 --> 00:51:50,370
formerly classified as industrial space that doesn't necessarily address other parameters or other

494
00:51:50,370 --> 00:51:57,130
things that are within the board parameters such as life safety, ADA, you know, how the

495
00:51:57,130 --> 00:52:05,490
site works even if you know the tenant we have work to do with units A and B. So can you disclose

496
00:52:05,490 --> 00:52:11,330
which are the units A and B or the ones that are going to be occupied? Do we have an exhibit?

497
00:52:13,810 --> 00:52:21,270
Maybe while we're doing that, Mr. Chair, I'm wondering out loud in addition to a phasing plan.

498
00:52:22,410 --> 00:52:28,610
I would think certainly we would want to retain jurisdiction, but I'm wondering if this is,

499
00:52:29,590 --> 00:52:35,130
if the approval would not only be a conditional approval, of course, but based on the phasing,

500
00:52:35,130 --> 00:52:43,130
maybe it would be a requirement that the applicant come back with respect to the second phase.

501
00:52:46,220 --> 00:52:47,840
But the third.

502
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:48,640
I'll try.

503
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:53,460
There would probably be the first phase would be the two tenants that are here tonight.

504
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:56,240
Phase two would be the stormwater management.

505
00:52:57,700 --> 00:53:00,720
Phase three would be the occupancy of A&B.

506
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:05,140
The second phase of occupancy the third phase overall.

507
00:53:05,140 --> 00:53:13,960
Yeah, but you come into the second meeting will be the balance of the phases I would hope the balance of

508
00:53:16,390 --> 00:53:17,730
What do you mean by that?

509
00:53:18,950 --> 00:53:27,650
So how many ever phases you cut this up into the the next hearing that you appear before this board would be the balance of all phases the the stormwater and

510
00:53:28,390 --> 00:53:30,990
the rest oh, yes, yes, yes

511
00:53:32,230 --> 00:53:35,810
I mean ideally would be to get these approved

512
00:53:37,670 --> 00:53:43,310
I would say the balance for A and B if necessary would come back at us separately.

513
00:53:43,930 --> 00:53:49,930
I think like I'll just be born we need to if the board is going to look favorably

514
00:53:49,930 --> 00:53:51,290
upon this application.

515
00:53:51,650 --> 00:53:58,570
We have to be at a point where the tenants can start making improvements the known tenants,

516
00:53:59,290 --> 00:54:04,790
which I need to show you on an exhibit the spaces that are,

517
00:54:04,790 --> 00:54:07,530
Do you mind showing them where you want to wait for the architect?

518
00:54:07,890 --> 00:54:08,370
Not to wait.

519
00:54:09,130 --> 00:54:10,750
Our architect will be up very shortly.

520
00:54:10,970 --> 00:54:14,270
So you can see which spaces are already identified for which tenant.

521
00:54:14,630 --> 00:54:16,050
That'll be coming up very shortly.

522
00:54:16,930 --> 00:54:21,810
But that's our main concern is making sure that we can get going.

523
00:54:22,050 --> 00:54:25,350
And we still have to go through post-proveal compliance with respect to this phase.

524
00:54:26,950 --> 00:54:34,670
But whatever we can do to have the opportunity to submit for post-proveal

525
00:54:34,670 --> 00:54:43,170
compliance with respect to phase one, to allow units CDN, right? You could make a proper

526
00:54:43,170 --> 00:54:50,550
and point it out to the board. I mean, if you look on sheet three, I'm sorry, yes, three

527
00:54:50,550 --> 00:54:58,350
of nine, you can see building C, D, E, F,

528
00:55:00,210 --> 00:55:02,770
So here's not enough. I'm sorry. Good.

529
00:55:02,770 --> 00:55:06,350
The two sides, the stock of the world's LLC,

530
00:55:09,370 --> 00:55:10,150
is C.

531
00:55:10,350 --> 00:55:18,710
As an agreement to take unit C, 21,000 and change square feet, and unit F1, 2,500 square feet and change.

532
00:55:19,450 --> 00:55:29,210
And then unit D, and unit E, unit E is 21,300 square feet and change, and unit D is 11,234.

533
00:55:29,210 --> 00:55:37,290
the 404 square feet is there's already an agreement in place, private agreement for oncore ventures LLC.

534
00:55:39,090 --> 00:55:44,710
So those are the two known tenants those are the that's predominantly what the site is made up of.

535
00:55:45,330 --> 00:55:50,090
And you'll hear testimonies of that the board can assess their operations shortly.

536
00:55:50,950 --> 00:55:56,190
I'll have the architect speaking greater detail about the architectials in front of the board.

537
00:55:57,570 --> 00:55:58,130
So

538
00:56:03,020 --> 00:56:11,180
the is signed, okay, so I want to just the principle of the applicant, just inform you

539
00:56:11,180 --> 00:56:18,160
that unit B, which is one of the industrial spaces, one of the industrial spaces we have

540
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:22,840
assigned at least, so we can speak to the operations of that tonight.

541
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:28,220
The managing member is here this evening, so we can also address the board, the board

542
00:56:28,220 --> 00:56:31,920
address the use component to this.

543
00:56:32,700 --> 00:56:38,020
So we're not coming back with a phase three for phase two for the devarions we're

544
00:56:38,020 --> 00:56:38,640
talking about.

545
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:47,060
I think to simplify things, I think that with respect to the tenants that are here and what

546
00:56:47,060 --> 00:56:52,680
we can present to the board that are known with respect to the use, that would be phase one.

547
00:56:52,680 --> 00:57:17,080
We have improvements already in place, for what was proposed through the application materials as recreational space, so we can assess, you know, site safety, to that end, what the board doesn't have improvement lives would be improvements to unit A and unit B, as well as the accessories structure unit H.

548
00:57:20,020 --> 00:57:25,780
I'm trying to avoid a situation where every single time there's a tenant that the applicant

549
00:57:25,780 --> 00:57:28,100
or the tenant has to come before the board.

550
00:57:29,260 --> 00:57:30,920
I've run the same thing for the tenant.

551
00:57:31,500 --> 00:57:32,680
Trying to figure out how to do that.

552
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:38,860
I'd like to get clarity on what you're going to present tonight because now we've changed

553
00:57:38,860 --> 00:57:43,740
from multi phases now that it looks like A and B is actually going to be occupied,

554
00:57:44,260 --> 00:57:46,260
so we really can't pull that.

555
00:57:46,260 --> 00:57:49,860
variants off the table for tonight, so you've got to present it all.

556
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:54,380
All right, so you're going to hear from three tenants, you'll hear from our architect,

557
00:57:54,620 --> 00:57:55,020
very shortly.

558
00:57:55,580 --> 00:57:59,940
You're going to hear traffic testimony after the tenant speak, so that the traffic engineer,

559
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:04,380
Mr. Dean, can speak about based upon the operations that he has heard, whether or not

560
00:58:04,380 --> 00:58:08,380
the parking on site is adequate, and then you'll hear from our planner.

561
00:58:12,820 --> 00:58:13,980
Any other questions for this witness?

562
00:58:17,330 --> 00:58:20,990
I have a couple of questions on the planning report before you get off that topic.

563
00:58:24,010 --> 00:58:28,350
So Craig, thanks for indicating that you'll comply with my comments.

564
00:58:28,490 --> 00:58:34,390
I just had a couple of questions was related to, it relates to, and I'm not sure if you

565
00:58:34,390 --> 00:58:40,590
can testify to this or Mr. Dean will, but I had some concerns, and originally it was

566
00:58:40,590 --> 00:58:43,710
because it was industrial and recreation together, right?

567
00:58:43,810 --> 00:58:47,590
So you had a bunch of kids being dropped off, there's no drop off zone.

568
00:58:47,590 --> 00:58:54,130
We have some parking that there's striped, striped sidewalks kind of coming in behind the parking spaces.

569
00:58:54,850 --> 00:59:00,710
There are no sidewalks that take folks from parking spaces to front entrances.

570
00:59:00,730 --> 00:59:04,190
The front entrances really aren't defined on the site plan.

571
00:59:05,090 --> 00:59:09,790
Is all of that going to be, are you going to deal with some of those issues that I brought up?

572
00:59:09,790 --> 00:59:11,850
Regardless, that's not no industrial.

573
00:59:12,150 --> 00:59:14,870
I still think those are safety issues.

574
00:59:16,190 --> 00:59:24,630
I think Gary will probably supplement what I have, but this setup is we did VSC as well down

575
00:59:24,630 --> 00:59:30,470
the street, and this setup is very, very similar to what they have, they don't have sidewalks.

576
00:59:30,510 --> 00:59:37,670
Nope, they have striping, it's very similar to along the building, if the board would

577
00:59:37,670 --> 00:59:40,350
like Bollards, we can add Bollards, but, you know,

578
00:59:40,410 --> 00:59:41,210
Bollards beyond the

579
00:59:43,930 --> 00:59:44,870
park is it behind?

580
00:59:46,650 --> 00:59:50,570
Gary's going to deal with that because I think that's also a common

581
00:59:51,430 --> 00:59:53,670
configuration if you were to go to a mall.

582
00:59:54,530 --> 00:59:58,790
And a lot of times if you have the ADA space, the ADA space is then

583
00:59:58,790 --> 00:59:59,930
straight behind the park.

584
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:12,100
I'll leave that to Gary to supplement what I'm saying. I think it's a very common configuration, but again, I'll let him supplement what I have to say.

585
01:00:27,420 --> 01:00:34,960
Craig, the head of the stalls at front, I'm rangton road. There's a cross hatched area that runs parallel with the head of those stalls.

586
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:37,040
What is that?

587
01:00:37,100 --> 01:00:38,020
It's rip wrap.

588
01:00:38,540 --> 01:00:39,960
So it's not a walking pattern.

589
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:40,860
No, no.

590
01:00:41,420 --> 01:00:47,800
It's had to come up with some kind of patching, but the water runs off and then it's basically

591
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:50,040
just a little rip wrap transistor.

592
01:00:54,050 --> 01:00:59,650
So essentially, the drop-off would be either they come alongside the building and drop-off,

593
01:00:59,990 --> 01:01:05,910
or a lot of times, you know, depending on the age, they would come park, welcome into the

594
01:01:05,910 --> 01:01:07,510
building, and then come back and leave.

595
01:01:09,250 --> 01:01:18,550
And what would, there's an entrance on the side of the building for unit, E, D, D, N, E, yes?

596
01:01:18,930 --> 01:01:23,490
I think E, D has access from the front or both of them have access from the side.

597
01:01:24,670 --> 01:01:26,410
I think these are a common unit.

598
01:01:28,270 --> 01:01:35,650
So, they're going to drop off in front of that door and they're going to go around the back and cycle out.

599
01:01:35,650 --> 01:01:38,130
They can, yes.

600
01:01:38,470 --> 01:01:46,670
I think my comment was really with regards to the lack of information as to how and maybe this

601
01:01:46,670 --> 01:01:51,550
will come forward with operations, but I had to sit with the site plan because I think

602
01:01:51,550 --> 01:01:54,010
you're going to need signage.

603
01:01:54,270 --> 01:01:57,690
You know, so I'm a parent, I'm dropping off and I have to go to soccer world.

604
01:01:57,730 --> 01:02:00,410
What's the best way to do that once I pull in this parking lot?

605
01:02:00,410 --> 01:02:08,190
Or I'm going to go to a birthday party or something at this, at the other site, do I, where do I do, where does that occur?

606
01:02:08,350 --> 01:02:15,890
And I think just not having that information on the plan creates questions and certainly some safety issues.

607
01:02:16,010 --> 01:02:30,130
I mean we all have had kids and we've all done drop off in these situations and it can get pretty chaotic, if not organized in a fashion that obviously has the safety of the kids and the patrons in mind.

608
01:02:34,290 --> 01:02:41,070
What about your comment, Kendra, and your letter regarding the setback of the parking spaces?

609
01:02:41,510 --> 01:02:44,270
Yeah, so from myster, it was a question.

610
01:02:44,790 --> 01:02:53,050
I didn't scale it, but it looked like some of those parking spaces were within the setback to myster.

611
01:02:53,470 --> 01:02:55,010
I mean, it is an existing condition.

612
01:02:55,290 --> 01:03:03,030
They are proposing some landscaping and Mr. Stuyres had indicate the work with us to supplement that.

613
01:03:03,030 --> 01:03:10,050
So I think probably the design exception for that is reasonable provided we just get some additional

614
01:03:10,890 --> 01:03:12,130
plantings in that area.

615
01:03:12,470 --> 01:03:16,710
That's effects 33 feet, so it's not a design X, so it's clear of it anyway.

616
01:03:23,310 --> 01:03:26,570
Any signage, Craig, monument sign wise?

617
01:03:27,290 --> 01:03:30,990
I believe they have a pile on sign there already that they're going to modify.

618
01:03:31,730 --> 01:03:34,370
Okay, and that will be included in a revised plan.

619
01:03:34,710 --> 01:03:36,070
We can put that on there, yes.

620
01:03:37,650 --> 01:03:44,500
You know, if that sign is currently conforming, it is.

621
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:46,040
It is.

622
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:50,400
I was a farer sign there, and it's meets a set of its signs.

623
01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:52,880
I'm sure it is or is not.

624
01:03:53,180 --> 01:03:53,740
It is.

625
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:55,800
Yeah.

626
01:03:55,920 --> 01:04:00,340
I think it's good for our architect, because you don't see a book that's speak to a sign in you.

627
01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:05,320
Yeah.

628
01:04:06,540 --> 01:04:11,820
get to get to our architect, he could speak to Mr. Hort could speak to signage and

629
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:17,900
the perceived circulation, certainly within the site, but a way of finding

630
01:04:17,900 --> 01:04:22,360
signs, at least on the building that would direct people to the appropriate

631
01:04:23,340 --> 01:04:24,220
tenants location.

632
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:29,320
So again, I think we've answered all your questions, or do you have any others?

633
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:33,500
Now I think that was it, thank you.

634
01:04:33,740 --> 01:04:37,300
Mr. Chairman, just one, at a minimum.

635
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:43,160
The, I think I heard something about the environmental commission report, but I'm going

636
01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:47,360
to guess that Mr. Stires is the one who will be addressing the environmental commission

637
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:49,600
report and recommendations there.

638
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:55,860
And so did we, I don't believe we covered that in its entirety, dated August 24th,

639
01:04:56,020 --> 01:04:56,660
2026.

640
01:04:57,100 --> 01:04:59,720
Yeah, I think the bulk of that, if not...

641
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:10,820
All the comments pertain to the landscaping, and as I said, I would work with Kendra, and I think working with Kendra would subsume that and kind of take care of all those comments.

642
01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:22,460
You know, there's some substitution of some of the plantings, some adjust them out and doing a tree removal plan. We have no problem with that, because of bulk of the trees are around the basin.

643
01:05:22,460 --> 01:05:30,460
So again, it's primarily landscaping related, which again will work with Kendra on.

644
01:05:31,780 --> 01:05:33,940
So subject to review and approval.

645
01:05:35,100 --> 01:05:35,120
Yes.

646
01:05:36,180 --> 01:05:36,740
Okay.

647
01:05:37,580 --> 01:05:39,460
You go with that?

648
01:05:44,050 --> 01:05:46,830
I think that's what I had for now.

649
01:05:47,090 --> 01:05:47,390
Thank you.

650
01:05:48,250 --> 01:05:49,870
Are there any other trouble?

651
01:05:49,870 --> 01:05:57,710
And just to reflect that the health department had no comments, so we don't want to know comment report to go on comment they don't

652
01:06:00,190 --> 01:06:05,110
There you go, can't are there any other questions in your memo that this witness should be answered

653
01:06:06,570 --> 01:06:08,590
Or any other questions for this

654
01:06:11,290 --> 01:06:11,870
Thank

655
01:06:22,460 --> 01:06:23,040
you.

656
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:23,360
Thank you.

657
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:28,760
Just a little

658
01:06:33,790 --> 01:06:35,630
bit.

659
01:06:35,630 --> 01:06:37,110
It's important for the benefit.

660
01:06:37,490 --> 01:06:41,310
The board, can you please provide the board with your academic and professional credentials?

661
01:06:41,810 --> 01:06:42,230
I'm sorry.

662
01:06:42,370 --> 01:06:45,420
My name is Benjamin Horton, H.O.R.T.E.N.

663
01:06:46,270 --> 01:06:52,370
I am the principal of Ben Horton Architecture Design located at 312 State Route 10, Randolph, New Jersey.

664
01:06:52,370 --> 01:06:56,830
I received my Bachelor of Fine Arts degree at Carnegie Mellon University.

665
01:06:57,210 --> 01:07:00,590
I received my Master of Architecture degree at Yale University.

666
01:07:01,290 --> 01:07:03,870
I had my own firm since 2000.

667
01:07:04,370 --> 01:07:07,390
I've been practicing architecture for over 33 years.

668
01:07:07,950 --> 01:07:14,590
I testified at multiple boards throughout New Jersey as well as other states.

669
01:07:16,010 --> 01:07:18,230
License integers remains a good standing?

670
01:07:18,710 --> 01:07:19,590
Yes, sir.

671
01:07:19,810 --> 01:07:21,930
License and New Jersey and numerous other states.

672
01:07:24,170 --> 01:07:31,790
If I could, I'm going to go to the Architectural Drawings and kind of walk you through where the tenets are going to go.

673
01:07:37,700 --> 01:07:43,880
My microphone will pull out of that stand if you want to, that's easier for you to reference drawings while you're up there.

674
01:07:48,910 --> 01:07:49,590
Thank you.

675
01:07:49,590 --> 01:07:53,990
The drawings that I'm going to present are the drawings that was submitted to the board.

676
01:07:54,650 --> 01:07:56,750
These were a series of architectural drawings.

677
01:07:58,230 --> 01:08:00,510
The cover page, I just flipped over.

678
01:08:00,690 --> 01:08:03,550
The first drawing is A0.02.

679
01:08:03,590 --> 01:08:06,190
This is the overall building floor plan.

680
01:08:07,210 --> 01:08:09,350
As you can see, I color-coded the plans.

681
01:08:10,330 --> 01:08:13,190
The original building was built into multiple parts.

682
01:08:13,610 --> 01:08:17,490
The main part of the building is this yellow and light green section in the middle.

683
01:08:17,490 --> 01:08:21,850
This is the original building. I believe that had the barrel vaulted roof

684
01:08:22,610 --> 01:08:28,670
Behind the building in the to the right. There's a wing that's colored in this aquacolor

685
01:08:29,250 --> 01:08:33,610
There's two small buildings in the front of the building you can see in the green

686
01:08:33,610 --> 01:08:37,650
Lobo yellow and the orange here over to the left

687
01:08:37,650 --> 01:08:44,210
There was a connecting link that tied to this building on the left hand side. That's called unit A and B

688
01:08:44,210 --> 01:08:52,450
That was like one time as a separate sort of structure and it was connected by a link to the main part of the building.

689
01:08:52,830 --> 01:08:58,130
As you know it was an old industrial building and making some metal oriented products.

690
01:08:59,170 --> 01:09:03,190
It was interesting because I got to work with the developer on this building.

691
01:09:03,970 --> 01:09:07,310
When they first purchased it as you know it was very derelict.

692
01:09:07,310 --> 01:09:08,910
It was disparate.

693
01:09:09,290 --> 01:09:12,770
We were able to redo the facade, make the building very attractive,

694
01:09:13,070 --> 01:09:15,550
cleaned up the interior, and because of that,

695
01:09:15,910 --> 01:09:19,170
we got some traction and got a lot of tenants interested in the property.

696
01:09:21,130 --> 01:09:25,690
Right now, what we're talking about is that majority of the building,

697
01:09:25,950 --> 01:09:30,130
as you can see on the right side, this yellow area, the screen area,

698
01:09:30,330 --> 01:09:34,930
and this wing going to the back, that's all going to be the main tenants

699
01:09:34,930 --> 01:09:36,030
that we're talking about.

700
01:09:36,030 --> 01:09:39,670
The yellow area here you can see is the soccer world.

701
01:09:40,210 --> 01:09:42,610
It's an indoor soccer facility.

702
01:09:43,010 --> 01:09:45,130
It's not your typical, like, large soccer

703
01:09:45,130 --> 01:09:46,490
through the small field.

704
01:09:47,250 --> 01:09:49,610
There's also, like, a field called foot saw,

705
01:09:49,770 --> 01:09:51,930
which is like indoor soccer type of activity.

706
01:09:52,690 --> 01:09:55,030
We're going to put those into this yellow area.

707
01:09:56,290 --> 01:09:58,990
Their entrances located in this front building.

708
01:09:59,410 --> 01:09:59,950
Originally, that was a lot of fun.

709
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:15,240
The original office portion of the manufacturing facility that's connected through a little link here to the warehouse section that's going to be used as the field area. So they're going to come into this front building, enter through this link, and they're going to come into this building here.

710
01:10:15,240 --> 01:10:19,980
The on-car ventures, they're going to have in this area,

711
01:10:20,200 --> 01:10:22,760
show you in the large plan, pickable facilities.

712
01:10:23,780 --> 01:10:27,800
A bunch of pickable quartz, and then in this light green area,

713
01:10:27,980 --> 01:10:31,720
there's going to be what looks like batting cages for a quick hit.

714
01:10:32,100 --> 01:10:37,400
And then there's a little play area in the corner for the kids that's going to be open to,

715
01:10:37,400 --> 01:10:41,020
you know, maybe the parents who are doing these activities here.

716
01:10:41,020 --> 01:10:46,080
Their entrance is going to be in the existing door located on the right side of the building.

717
01:10:47,480 --> 01:10:52,800
We are proposing to put some facade signs on the right side here for the on-car ventures,

718
01:10:52,900 --> 01:10:54,880
because that's where their main entrance is going to be.

719
01:10:55,140 --> 01:10:58,200
And you see on the site plan, there's quite a bit of parking on the right side.

720
01:10:58,740 --> 01:11:00,940
There's parking along the front of the building.

721
01:11:01,940 --> 01:11:06,740
So the main entrance for the soccer world is going to be in this front part of the building here,

722
01:11:06,900 --> 01:11:10,360
where this front door is, that's the main entrance of that building.

723
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:21,180
If I could take you to the next sheet, this is the enlarge drawing a 1.00-0 shown in light

724
01:11:21,180 --> 01:11:26,980
detail of the soccer world, portion of the building, that's the, again, if I could go back

725
01:11:26,980 --> 01:11:32,000
the yellow, this middle section of the building here, and later then I'm going to take

726
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:39,200
you to a plan of this right section of the building, shown the pickleball facility and the

727
01:11:39,200 --> 01:11:41,620
batting cage for the cricket games.

728
01:11:42,180 --> 01:11:44,880
So here in the large plan on A1.00,

729
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:47,200
you can see the front door entrance here.

730
01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:52,160
We're going to come in into their main entrance lobby area,

731
01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:53,860
kind of the reception area.

732
01:11:54,180 --> 01:11:56,200
And as you come in through this connecting link,

733
01:11:56,700 --> 01:11:58,720
it's going to open up into the soccer field.

734
01:11:59,460 --> 01:12:03,140
The soccer field, in their soccer field,

735
01:12:03,300 --> 01:12:06,120
they have like a prefabricated wall

736
01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:11,520
like around the perimeter, so that when the people are kicking the ball, it kind of stops

737
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:11,980
the ball.

738
01:12:12,500 --> 01:12:16,580
And there will have netting, like you've seen a lot of these indoor facilities to keep

739
01:12:16,580 --> 01:12:18,500
the balls from going to the adjacent field.

740
01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:24,780
So be pre-engineered wall system with these netting.

741
01:12:25,240 --> 01:12:27,820
We are working on alternate options.

742
01:12:28,060 --> 01:12:33,700
Ultimately, we believe we're going to end up with instead of 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 fields.

743
01:12:33,700 --> 01:12:39,000
we're going to end up with actually four fields because after discussing and developing the

744
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:45,740
interest a little bit more with the client, we felt that making them just slightly bigger

745
01:12:45,740 --> 01:12:51,320
and less field would be actually beneficial for them. But in essence, this area of middle areas

746
01:12:51,320 --> 01:12:58,020
can be used for these soccer fields and then this small blue area in the back, that portion

747
01:12:58,020 --> 01:13:00,540
the building would be used for foot saw.

748
01:13:03,200 --> 01:13:06,500
And if I could take you to the next sheet,

749
01:13:13,860 --> 01:13:17,200
a 1.1 sheet, that's the elevation.

750
01:13:17,340 --> 01:13:22,040
That's the existing building that we did facade restoration on.

751
01:13:22,980 --> 01:13:25,780
If you go to this site, you'll see that the building

752
01:13:25,780 --> 01:13:27,160
was cleaned up really nicely.

753
01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:28,720
The facade was all redone.

754
01:13:28,820 --> 01:13:30,440
All the windows were made new.

755
01:13:30,780 --> 01:13:33,600
Right at this, there's a covered entrance here.

756
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:36,060
We're proposing to put in a façade sign.

757
01:13:36,500 --> 01:13:40,060
The client hasn't generated an actual logo for their business.

758
01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:43,620
They're working with their signage company to develop that.

759
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:50,200
But what we're showing is that the signage is going to be approximately two foot high by 23 foot wide

760
01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:55,380
right at the center here and that the new tenants sign would be approximately 46 square foot,

761
01:13:55,420 --> 01:13:58,000
which is well within the ordinance requirement.

762
01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:05,420
And the ordinance allows up to 100 square foot.

763
01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:09,120
It says that it could be either 5% of the facade

764
01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:11,420
or 100 square foot, whichever is less.

765
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:14,600
So we're under 100 square foot with that sign, proposed sign.

766
01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:18,180
Again, I'm just showing the placeholder for it.

767
01:14:18,200 --> 01:14:20,640
That's not what the actual sign is going to look like.

768
01:14:21,200 --> 01:14:24,280
But the client is working with the design company

769
01:14:24,280 --> 01:14:26,100
to develop the sign for that.

770
01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:34,600
The next sheet consists of two parts because as you can see we located a key map showing

771
01:14:35,460 --> 01:14:41,840
that the unit D and E is a portion of occurs going to take note.

772
01:14:41,940 --> 01:14:48,960
Unit D is located here in the right corner of the overall building and that unit E is

773
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:53,040
that when going out the back, the unit D, I kind of rotated it so if it's on the paper

774
01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:54,420
so I didn't have to waste more paper.

775
01:14:54,420 --> 01:14:59,720
but in the front right corner when you first enter we're going to have a little vestibule here.

776
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:14,220
In the yellow area, you can see there's some nice awaiting reception area. We call this corner, top right of the plant plays on. It's just going to be open to play area where the kids could go and play.

777
01:15:15,060 --> 01:15:24,080
In the blue area, imagine this is a big open warehouse. It's going to have these netted batting cages where they play cricket games.

778
01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:28,840
But basically it'll be similar to what you've seen about in cages that have these netting

779
01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:34,400
surrounding the top and the sides and they have these cricket type of games that they

780
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:35,260
play there.

781
01:15:35,700 --> 01:15:42,680
This building has this wall that separates that from part of the building from the back

782
01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:50,380
unit E. There's an opening there which we're going to be able to use to get back into this

783
01:15:50,380 --> 01:15:53,000
open warehouse area, that's in the back of the building.

784
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:57,700
In the back of the building, we're able to put in eight courts.

785
01:15:57,700 --> 01:16:02,100
You can see it's color-coded, courts 1, 2, 3, 4, 5,

786
01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:05,080
and courts 6, 7, and 8.

787
01:16:05,900 --> 01:16:09,140
And I don't know if you went to ever been to Pickable Facility,

788
01:16:09,320 --> 01:16:11,860
but it's basically a big open warehouse area

789
01:16:11,860 --> 01:16:16,200
where they have low fencing that separates each of the courts.

790
01:16:16,200 --> 01:16:39,000
And in between the courts and the outspaces there are little tables where you could put your bags and your shoes and things like that and keep it geared there because it's a very social game people, you know, take turns playing and everybody will be kind of be able to hang out here and play at these pickled wall courts.

791
01:16:40,140 --> 01:16:46,020
And, you know, again, they're all connected, it's acting as one facility with one reception area,

792
01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:49,780
with some office functions here.

793
01:16:50,380 --> 01:16:51,480
That's really it.

794
01:16:52,380 --> 01:16:58,020
Now, if you go to the next page on the entrance,

795
01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:03,640
the right side of the building, where that barrel vaulted portion of the building is,

796
01:17:04,160 --> 01:17:05,860
there's an existing door there.

797
01:17:05,860 --> 01:17:13,360
We're proposing to make that door into a nicer looking front-enchant store and there's these two nice windows there right between the windows

798
01:17:13,360 --> 01:17:19,180
We thought that's a good place to put their the sign there where there are main entrances and that's going to this again

799
01:17:19,180 --> 01:17:23,540
We we played put a placeholder for that sign that it's two foot high

800
01:17:23,540 --> 01:17:31,760
We could fit about a 13 foot wide sign between the windows there and that sign would be approximately 26 square feet

801
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:37,900
be located in that area. Again, it's going to be the final design will be developed by the 10

802
01:17:37,900 --> 01:17:42,980
and their sign vendor, but it would be well within the ordinance requirement. And obviously it

803
01:17:42,980 --> 01:17:48,580
makes sense that you would put it where the their entrances. Okay? And do you think that that

804
01:17:48,580 --> 01:17:55,340
entrance location could be easily located if there was a way-finding sign on the property

805
01:17:57,640 --> 01:18:03,980
I mean, I think it's good to look at the overall building plan, because it's a simple,

806
01:18:05,380 --> 01:18:10,160
I think a bar type of building.

807
01:18:10,960 --> 01:18:12,480
If I could go back to the original.

808
01:18:15,740 --> 01:18:20,660
Now, when you look at the site plan, the parking lot just goes from the front of the building,

809
01:18:20,920 --> 01:18:24,260
stretches across and wraps around the side of the building.

810
01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:32,240
There was some additional field area in the old plan where they probably used it as parking,

811
01:18:32,520 --> 01:18:36,520
but it was like gravel and grass at one time, so there's a lot of land left over there.

812
01:18:36,860 --> 01:18:42,680
We actually have additional land to the right of our parking areas here, that's still available for our property.

813
01:18:42,680 --> 01:18:47,980
We have a very big property, and one of the things that we saw when we found this property is said,

814
01:18:47,980 --> 01:18:54,100
We're not going to be short on parking if we need it, but most times nowadays we try to build

815
01:18:54,100 --> 01:18:59,160
the right amount of parking, but we do feel that the lot is so big that if you had to accommodate

816
01:18:59,160 --> 01:19:02,340
a little bit more parking in the future, we could easily accommodate that.

817
01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:07,720
So that's one of the reasons that we thought that this was a good opportunity to look at these

818
01:19:07,720 --> 01:19:14,180
type of uses. And currently talking with the tenant, you saw that we're taking up majority of the building.

819
01:19:15,380 --> 01:19:17,220
We have more than adequate parking.

820
01:19:17,460 --> 01:19:18,880
We feel we're talking with the tenants.

821
01:19:19,060 --> 01:19:21,680
I think the tenants could talk about that.

822
01:19:22,160 --> 01:19:27,560
We talked to the our traffic engineer based on this type of use.

823
01:19:27,700 --> 01:19:29,800
He felt that we're showing adequate parking.

824
01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:34,180
But if we have to get more parking, we feel we've got plenty of space to accommodate that.

825
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:38,380
With respect to a unit H, that assessor structure,

826
01:19:38,860 --> 01:19:42,200
or that structure, that's intended to be for storage purposes.

827
01:19:42,200 --> 01:19:49,500
That was a detached building, it wasn't connected, it used to be, I think, an old boiler building.

828
01:19:50,200 --> 01:19:54,840
But instead of demolishing it and getting rid of it, we thought that if you have a tenant here,

829
01:19:54,940 --> 01:19:58,300
that might be a good place to put some of their equipment, so be a nice storage building.

830
01:19:58,780 --> 01:19:59,600
So that's what we're thinking.

831
01:20:05,080 --> 01:20:27,880
I think one thing that I would say is that we discussed this, let's side of the building that's the unit A and B. If you looked at the facade, I didn't bring up facade because originally we were looking at these two tenants, but we, when we did the whole building restoration work, we submitted a plan to the building department.

832
01:20:27,880 --> 01:20:32,140
We did a, I think, a nice job cleaning up the building and make it look attractive.

833
01:20:32,260 --> 01:20:35,880
They actually looked like they have their own front-enchant stories here.

834
01:20:36,140 --> 01:20:38,740
All the windows were replaced, made really attractive.

835
01:20:39,220 --> 01:20:42,840
And I think that's why we're getting all this traction with the perspective tenant.

836
01:20:43,400 --> 01:20:47,640
The unit B, the building was already kind of broken up into two parts.

837
01:20:48,280 --> 01:20:51,720
Looks like the original building was actually building B and at one time,

838
01:20:52,080 --> 01:20:55,620
they added on building A as a pre-engineer type of building.

839
01:20:55,620 --> 01:21:02,180
Right now, the latest tenant is looking to take the entire unit be here.

840
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:06,620
And so they would have their own entrance, again, the parking is along the front here.

841
01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:13,580
And eventually if the last tenant hopefully would be unit A here and they have their own

842
01:21:13,580 --> 01:21:18,940
entrance here, another small tenant space that's left is this front entry piece.

843
01:21:19,120 --> 01:21:22,520
There's a small, very small office area here that has a small basement.

844
01:21:22,520 --> 01:21:25,380
I did a little inset for that basement area.

845
01:21:25,780 --> 01:21:29,140
That's a tiny tenant like about 2400 square foot.

846
01:21:29,800 --> 01:21:33,120
We have this unit G left over, which is about 2300 square foot,

847
01:21:33,140 --> 01:21:34,780
tiny little space in the front here.

848
01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:37,400
That's the only thing that's available.

849
01:21:37,640 --> 01:21:39,580
This one, two, and three spaces left.

850
01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:41,960
And if you don't know that's fine,

851
01:21:42,080 --> 01:21:43,680
if you touched on it, let me know.

852
01:21:44,440 --> 01:21:48,280
Are you aware if there's an existing round-mounted signage on the site already?

853
01:21:48,280 --> 01:22:00,280
The previously submitted for a payment to do a monument sign that has a multi-tenanted type of a monument sign, so that's already on site and constructed.

854
01:22:00,780 --> 01:22:05,500
And that monument sign can that also be used for wayfinding purposes as well?

855
01:22:05,920 --> 01:22:15,380
Right, because I think this is like, I worked on numerous industrial buildings where we rehabbed it like this, and the building is just a simple bar shape.

856
01:22:15,380 --> 01:22:19,040
There's several entry points, the parking lot wraps around it.

857
01:22:19,140 --> 01:22:21,460
So as you come to the side, you'll be able to easily see

858
01:22:21,460 --> 01:22:22,560
where the buildings are in.

859
01:22:22,740 --> 01:22:27,580
And you've got to imagine that as people get to know this facility

860
01:22:27,580 --> 01:22:31,000
more, they're going to be able to tell where the tenants are located.

861
01:22:31,700 --> 01:22:36,880
And speaking on that point, to the extent that the board or the board

862
01:22:36,880 --> 01:22:39,400
professionals that they want to see canopies or anything,

863
01:22:39,640 --> 01:22:45,020
else that accentuates entrance locations will work with them.

864
01:22:45,020 --> 01:22:47,180
We're fine to do that.

865
01:22:47,420 --> 01:22:52,160
Well, certainly, I mean, no, we could, I think the building, we did a good job making it.

866
01:22:52,660 --> 01:22:59,060
But if there's something that the board feels is helpful, you know, we could certainly use it.

867
01:22:59,580 --> 01:22:59,700
Understood.

868
01:23:00,680 --> 01:23:01,180
Thank you.

869
01:23:01,360 --> 01:23:02,300
I don't know for the questions.

870
01:23:04,380 --> 01:23:04,500
Okay.

871
01:23:09,100 --> 01:23:09,240
Yes.

872
01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:11,880
Referring to a 1.0.

873
01:23:16,940 --> 01:23:22,360
So you said the green courts will have a low, hard surface walls.

874
01:23:22,360 --> 01:23:23,820
that made a plywood?

875
01:23:24,460 --> 01:23:31,560
It's a P-engineer panel system that the equipment manufacturers, all four sides of the

876
01:23:32,240 --> 01:23:38,540
court is made with these walls that goes up kind of like a self-feet height and then above

877
01:23:38,540 --> 01:23:40,240
that are netting.

878
01:23:40,600 --> 01:23:41,880
How many feet I?

879
01:23:42,440 --> 01:23:49,580
The wall panels themselves, I can't remember how the 40 inches high, but the above that

880
01:23:49,580 --> 01:23:50,180
is netting.

881
01:23:51,260 --> 01:23:52,520
Yeah, 40 inches high.

882
01:23:52,520 --> 01:23:57,060
And then you have netting that goes up and then also above the ceilings of the ball

883
01:23:57,060 --> 01:23:57,280
stuff.

884
01:23:58,380 --> 01:24:02,880
So I spoke of earlier egress out of these courts.

885
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:06,480
How's the egress going to work in the rear of the building?

886
01:24:06,480 --> 01:24:11,300
Well, the code analysis, let me do a summit for building permit.

887
01:24:11,720 --> 01:24:14,900
You have to design these things based on the occupant load.

888
01:24:14,920 --> 01:24:19,900
You have to show the whole occupant load analysis and based on the number of people and

889
01:24:19,900 --> 01:24:25,940
the travel distance, you have to either provide one exit out of that area or possibly two.

890
01:24:26,540 --> 01:24:31,880
Our studies show that each one of those would need to, like in this case, you can see each

891
01:24:31,880 --> 01:24:38,060
one of these courts have two exits, exit gates, but we also have exit gates in other places,

892
01:24:38,100 --> 01:24:41,920
but they're really for maintenance because there's little gaps that we will create between

893
01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:45,560
the exterior wall and the panel, so we need to get in, be able to get in there.

894
01:24:45,560 --> 01:24:52,100
But in general, Egress wise, we would have to satisfy the building code requirement for the building

895
01:24:52,100 --> 01:24:56,880
official to review, but I assure you with these plans, I did a code analysis with

896
01:24:56,880 --> 01:24:59,560
this specific plan and we meet all the Egressions.

897
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:04,080
So all the egress will be out of the front of the building none in the rear.

898
01:25:04,640 --> 01:25:14,240
No, there is an existing, in this case, like we had proposed to do another exit door towards the end over here, where this yellow corridor is.

899
01:25:14,540 --> 01:25:23,600
That will provide an exit here and exit here. So there's, actually, there's another door here that exists near this link here.

900
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:28,040
But that can't count as an exit from a building code perspective.

901
01:25:28,040 --> 01:25:30,100
There's a separation distance rule.

902
01:25:30,660 --> 01:25:37,220
Now, this one in the back here, we have a little gate here that would allow you to open

903
01:25:37,220 --> 01:25:39,000
to get to this exit or in the back.

904
01:25:41,340 --> 01:25:46,160
So are all these exit ways situated on the site plan?

905
01:25:48,190 --> 01:25:49,230
I believe so.

906
01:25:53,560 --> 01:25:55,240
This is an existing door.

907
01:25:55,740 --> 01:25:57,220
This is an existing door.

908
01:25:57,220 --> 01:26:02,080
And this is where the overhead the way is over here.

909
01:26:03,980 --> 01:26:06,260
Yeah, I'm not sure I can locate them on the plan, but.

910
01:26:06,620 --> 01:26:08,780
Okay. To the extent that they're not shown,

911
01:26:08,940 --> 01:26:11,100
we can absolutely update the site plan.

912
01:26:12,400 --> 01:26:12,700
Right.

913
01:26:15,480 --> 01:26:21,100
We could, if they're not clear, we could clarify it on the updated drawing for you.

914
01:26:21,380 --> 01:26:24,120
Yeah, I guess it's starting point start with the analysis,

915
01:26:24,120 --> 01:26:37,480
We're the required with the building environment, and that's right, right, and I think one of the things that I would ask the board to understand is that, you know, when we developed these conceptual plan for this level of application.

916
01:26:39,140 --> 01:26:43,780
There tends to be like changes when we do the final building permit application.

917
01:26:44,340 --> 01:26:51,440
And the building permit application is going to have to satisfy all the building code requirement that the extensive review we do with the building department.

918
01:26:51,440 --> 01:26:58,200
And if there are some modifications to like the exit points, we would address that on our plan.

919
01:26:58,460 --> 01:27:11,300
Make sure we have an updated site plan that could be reviewed by your engineer to make sure that it all complies with the any sort of like safety concerns that we might have, or your board professionals may have.

920
01:27:21,410 --> 01:27:22,810
Board any questions for this witness?

921
01:27:22,810 --> 01:27:29,800
This is the question on the smaller units F2 and G.

922
01:27:30,340 --> 01:27:35,740
So what's anticipated for those, or do we know yet?

923
01:27:36,500 --> 01:27:37,600
Those are the ones in the front.

924
01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:44,060
Well, we had a whole list of potential tenants that we were thinking about

925
01:27:44,060 --> 01:27:46,740
because we've been talking with, like, you know,

926
01:27:46,780 --> 01:27:49,640
we talked about gymnastics, you know, maybe baseball,

927
01:27:50,280 --> 01:27:59,620
across trainer, dance studio, you know, table tennis, right? Maybe some to just

928
01:27:59,620 --> 01:28:03,580
sue a martial arts type of facilities. I mean, those would be perfect for that,

929
01:28:03,740 --> 01:28:09,600
because they're not too big, you know. It might be a nice dojo type of

930
01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:14,780
facility. So we're kind of open. We don't have specific tennis

931
01:28:14,780 --> 01:28:18,320
for those few spaceships, but we're really excited that we got

932
01:28:18,320 --> 01:28:22,420
majority of the place with people interested in it, you know.

933
01:28:22,460 --> 01:28:23,680
Okay, we're recreation.

934
01:28:24,060 --> 01:28:24,620
That's correct.

935
01:28:27,880 --> 01:28:28,060
Okay.

936
01:28:33,460 --> 01:28:37,580
Mr. Chairman, I have a creative idea since we have three tenants here.

937
01:28:37,880 --> 01:28:43,400
If you would permit me to do so, I would like to call all three of them and I can ask

938
01:28:43,400 --> 01:28:47,660
them questions and they can kind of speak to their operations that might be an efficient

939
01:28:47,660 --> 01:28:52,860
way for the board to hear from all tenants. If that's not your preference, I certainly don't

940
01:28:52,860 --> 01:28:57,240
have to do that. But I just thought it might be good for timing purposes.

941
01:28:58,460 --> 01:29:04,800
Yeah, I think a brief overview is fine, but we don't I think must the other board members disagree.

942
01:29:04,860 --> 01:29:09,800
I think we get the concept of what the businesses are going to operate, but I'd like to say first.

943
01:29:11,340 --> 01:29:16,740
Traffic. I know the board wants to hear traffic. I do too. I thought that perhaps that hearing

944
01:29:16,740 --> 01:29:22,500
And testimony on the actual tenants' operations might lay a foundation as to why our traffic

945
01:29:22,500 --> 01:29:27,520
expert is concluding one layer of the other that E-Blease parking is sufficient.

946
01:29:28,080 --> 01:29:32,820
So, that traffic is going to be somewhat customized and parking customized to the usage.

947
01:29:35,860 --> 01:29:40,840
So, having the board having an idea of how many participants are expected on the property

948
01:29:40,840 --> 01:29:45,980
at one time for each tenant might be helpful to the board in assessing

949
01:29:45,980 --> 01:29:49,580
and the parking's counts.

950
01:29:50,980 --> 01:29:52,840
Also, just from, if I may, Mr. Chairman,

951
01:29:52,940 --> 01:29:54,220
just from a procedural standpoint,

952
01:29:54,500 --> 01:29:56,780
we didn't call for questions from the public

953
01:29:56,780 --> 01:29:57,840
for the first two witnesses.

954
01:29:58,480 --> 01:29:59,800
I don't know the magnitude of.

955
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:19,060
Public we have here for questioning purposes, but certainly it's a discretion of the board through the board chair to hold all questioning to the end, along with a comment from any and all public work to do it witnessed by witness or whoever the chair decides.

956
01:30:20,540 --> 01:30:27,840
I was waiting till we had substantial testimony before we heard from the public, so we didn't from efficiency standpoint.

957
01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:33,980
So, but the businesses speak, we'll hear their thing, and then we'll open it to the public and let the public ask a couple questions.

958
01:30:34,340 --> 01:30:35,080
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

959
01:30:36,440 --> 01:30:38,220
So, please have Michael.

960
01:30:39,380 --> 01:30:39,600
Okay.

961
01:30:39,780 --> 01:30:40,700
Department of the Office.

962
01:30:40,880 --> 01:30:41,340
Stand up.

963
01:30:55,420 --> 01:30:59,940
Why don't you say your name into the microphone and who you're representing?

964
01:31:00,760 --> 01:31:02,160
What kind of you are?

965
01:31:04,300 --> 01:31:06,300
And you've got all this water, right?

966
01:31:06,680 --> 01:31:07,160
Yes.

967
01:31:07,700 --> 01:31:12,300
Good evening, my name is Ricardo Mendes. I'm the CEO of Soccer World.

968
01:31:13,720 --> 01:31:15,200
Yeah, that's about it.

969
01:31:17,320 --> 01:31:22,040
Hello everyone. Good evening. I'm Nick at this side. I'm the managing member for our own car ventures.

970
01:31:24,350 --> 01:31:27,670
Hello. I'm Harsh Patel. I'm the managing member for our own car ventures as well.

971
01:31:30,920 --> 01:31:34,140
Good evening. Michael Drullis, owner from Evolution Training Center.

972
01:31:34,500 --> 01:31:38,540
Been servicing the wonderful families of branch birds since 2007. I'll fulfill town road.

973
01:31:38,540 --> 01:31:56,080
Okay, just very briefly, if you could please generally describe the activities that would take place in your unit and the number of anticipated participants at any time, I think that'd be.

974
01:31:56,080 --> 01:32:09,120
And I'm sorry, Mr. Chairman, but Mr. Sober, if we can have each individual start with by letter, they are unit designation perhaps, so we can follow along.

975
01:32:10,840 --> 01:32:20,280
And just, you know, perhaps reminding the board and everyone else, soccer, cricket, cheerleading or something like that.

976
01:32:20,280 --> 01:32:22,720
Yes, sure.

977
01:32:24,040 --> 01:32:25,200
I'm the soccer guy.

978
01:32:25,200 --> 01:32:29,380
I'm colored in yellow here with UNITC and F1.

979
01:32:30,720 --> 01:32:33,600
The activity is taking place in that space.

980
01:32:33,800 --> 01:32:37,720
We'll be predominantly five-a-side soccer, which is a small-sided soccer.

981
01:32:39,080 --> 01:32:46,900
It includes anything from classes for youth adult pickups and then league matches.

982
01:32:46,900 --> 01:32:52,700
So predominantly it's just a soccer activity and just quickly so people don't just

983
01:32:52,700 --> 01:32:58,400
show up you have to reserve the space you have to be in a class correct so

984
01:32:59,320 --> 01:33:04,580
everything is basically reserved and booked online so there's we don't really

985
01:33:04,580 --> 01:33:08,820
have any walk-ins or random people just waiting because everything is it's

986
01:33:09,440 --> 01:33:14,020
30 online booking so would you would you agree that you have some sort of

987
01:33:14,020 --> 01:33:17,480
control over the number of participants that are coming.

988
01:33:18,020 --> 01:33:18,600
Yes, thanks very much.

989
01:33:18,600 --> 01:33:27,560
I urge you of how someone reserves the courts or fields, is there a max anticipated participant

990
01:33:27,560 --> 01:33:31,240
in your space that you can testify to?

991
01:33:31,560 --> 01:33:31,820
Yes, sure.

992
01:33:32,240 --> 01:33:38,640
So at maximum occupancy with all the fields being used, we have 40 participants, which is very rare

993
01:33:38,640 --> 01:33:41,560
because the schedule is kind of staggered.

994
01:33:41,560 --> 01:33:46,180
And so it's very rare that all 40 of them are there at the same time.

995
01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:49,900
So, you know, someone might use the field for an hour.

996
01:33:50,120 --> 01:33:53,800
The other one will use it for an hour and a half or two hours.

997
01:33:54,100 --> 01:33:56,280
And so therefore, they're not exchanging at the same time.

998
01:33:56,540 --> 01:33:59,800
Right. So the games don't necessarily all start at the same exact time.

999
01:33:59,920 --> 01:34:04,380
Correct. And I'm just briefly, can you touch upon any accessory?

1000
01:34:05,300 --> 01:34:09,480
Uses are components that you anticipate for your unit.

1001
01:34:09,480 --> 01:34:17,520
Yeah, so we have we'll offer like birthday parties and you know that sort of thing for for the youth

1002
01:34:18,180 --> 01:34:22,920
But as essentially it's just let's just soccer play most most to go on on

1003
01:34:22,920 --> 01:34:28,500
You're anticipating carpooling for birthday parties. Yes, it's very typical that

1004
01:34:29,020 --> 01:34:35,140
Carpooling both on the youth side and the adults. It's typically carpooling. So that and

1005
01:34:35,640 --> 01:34:38,540
Sorry, I've just tried to get through it here, but briefly

1006
01:34:40,380 --> 01:34:45,140
You're going to sell any merchandise on the property. Are you selling beverages pre-packaged food?

1007
01:34:45,160 --> 01:34:51,280
Anything that at the board should be aware of in terms of assessor your subordinate to your principal

1008
01:34:51,280 --> 01:34:54,700
Shrek use. Yes, no merchandise

1009
01:34:55,760 --> 01:34:57,340
But we do plan on selling

1010
01:34:57,340 --> 01:34:59,700
pre-packaged beverages and foods

1011
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:06,440
A small concessions thing, which is not uncommon for sports facility, but nothing outside of that.

1012
01:35:06,720 --> 01:35:16,740
And we obviously are seeking a D1 use variance, so just anticipated hours of operation, if you can touch upon that weekday hours of operation, weekends if it's any different.

1013
01:35:17,440 --> 01:35:17,480
Sure.

1014
01:35:17,480 --> 01:35:24,280
Yeah, so we plan on operating from Monday to Friday from 3 p.m. to 12 a.m.

1015
01:35:24,880 --> 01:35:30,660
and then Saturday and Sunday from 8 a.m. from 8 a.m. until 12 a.m.

1016
01:35:31,440 --> 01:35:34,880
And just because your hours are what they are.

1017
01:35:34,900 --> 01:35:43,420
Can you explain to the board why you feel it's necessary to have operations and flexibility to go until midnight?

1018
01:35:43,420 --> 01:35:50,460
It's typical for the later hours are usually where we cater to the adults and so a lot

1019
01:35:50,460 --> 01:35:56,360
of them are coming out from work at late hours and they're looking for space to play.

1020
01:35:57,560 --> 01:36:01,180
So that's why the late hours anticipated employee count.

1021
01:36:02,560 --> 01:36:10,200
So we'll have one part timer and one full-time at all times and then they'll alternate.

1022
01:36:10,200 --> 01:36:21,360
Okay, and then I think that's a general idea of the operation, so I'm going to ask similar questions to the next tenant.

1023
01:36:21,600 --> 01:36:23,840
I want to question if I may.

1024
01:36:24,000 --> 01:36:24,800
Sorry about that.

1025
01:36:25,080 --> 01:36:34,500
The 40 participants, is that inclusive of the four employees or are those separate, it's a separate calculation?

1026
01:36:35,560 --> 01:36:42,240
with employees, it technically it's 42 because we have two at every time. So yeah.

1027
01:36:43,620 --> 01:36:49,620
Another question. How do the sessions run? How long are they? Are they back the back

1028
01:36:49,620 --> 01:36:55,960
immediately? Do you have people showing up in the parking lot? Well, the first session is fully loaded.

1029
01:36:56,420 --> 01:37:00,060
What kind of turn up? What kind of overlap do we have in the parking lot?

1030
01:37:00,060 --> 01:37:06,340
Sure, sessions are typically, they're either an hour, an hour and a half or two hours,

1031
01:37:07,840 --> 01:37:12,560
and typically the session ends, they usually change shoes and then they leave.

1032
01:37:13,960 --> 01:37:19,660
And so there's a gap in between each session of roughly 10 to 15 minutes to allow that

1033
01:37:19,660 --> 01:37:20,580
that exchange of people.

1034
01:37:21,760 --> 01:37:27,920
If I may just be clear, though, is it going to be structured so that there is, in fact, a 15-minute gap

1035
01:37:27,920 --> 01:37:33,860
between the end of one session and the beginning of the next, or is it just that the guys and

1036
01:37:33,860 --> 01:37:37,480
the gals are going to change your shoes, but there's no gap.

1037
01:37:38,240 --> 01:37:41,840
No, there is a gap built in into like the booking time set.

1038
01:37:42,160 --> 01:37:45,080
15, somebody will stop, 130, the next one will pick up.

1039
01:37:46,180 --> 01:37:50,240
And like the two minute gap is there for shoe changing and arguably for people to

1040
01:37:50,240 --> 01:37:50,920
come and go.

1041
01:37:51,700 --> 01:37:52,020
Yes.

1042
01:37:52,760 --> 01:37:53,200
I'm sorry.

1043
01:37:53,420 --> 01:37:54,640
I just wanted to make sure I understand.

1044
01:37:55,340 --> 01:37:56,800
Answer to the actual question.

1045
01:38:00,130 --> 01:38:16,230
I just want one question, sorry, on the on the days, where there would be birthday parties which I would assume are on the weekends and you have you have five courts or five fields or four fields.

1046
01:38:16,410 --> 01:38:17,370
It's four fields.

1047
01:38:17,370 --> 01:38:17,550
Okay.

1048
01:38:17,970 --> 01:38:18,710
Four four fields.

1049
01:38:19,550 --> 01:38:21,410
That's the 40 participants correct.

1050
01:38:21,410 --> 01:38:21,850
Correct.

1051
01:38:22,090 --> 01:38:22,310
Yes.

1052
01:38:22,310 --> 01:38:23,350
If they were all filled.

1053
01:38:23,650 --> 01:38:23,790
Correct.

1054
01:38:24,610 --> 01:38:27,950
Does it change with if you're been in birthday party?

1055
01:38:28,170 --> 01:38:28,770
Is that increased?

1056
01:38:28,770 --> 01:38:31,170
No, it's still the max, max occupancy.

1057
01:38:32,090 --> 01:38:35,090
So essentially, the three other fields will have their regular play.

1058
01:38:35,170 --> 01:38:37,550
And then one field gets designated for the birthday party.

1059
01:38:37,950 --> 01:38:40,010
And then, and they, and that, so they,

1060
01:38:40,130 --> 01:38:42,090
you won't use that birthday party room separately.

1061
01:38:42,190 --> 01:38:45,970
That's part and parcel of the character field.

1062
01:38:46,530 --> 01:38:46,670
Okay.

1063
01:38:47,190 --> 01:38:50,470
And then League play, does that change how this works?

1064
01:38:50,550 --> 01:38:53,750
Do people hang about to, like, around Robin type of thing?

1065
01:38:54,750 --> 01:38:56,170
No, League play it.

1066
01:38:56,170 --> 01:39:01,410
Usually you have a scheduled match at a certain time, you show up and you play and then you

1067
01:39:01,410 --> 01:39:01,970
usually...

1068
01:39:01,970 --> 01:39:04,110
Do you want to have like tournaments and that type of thing?

1069
01:39:04,390 --> 01:39:05,050
We do have...

1070
01:39:05,050 --> 01:39:07,670
We do plan on having tournaments like short tournaments.

1071
01:39:08,710 --> 01:39:14,150
Usually we will use all the fields for those set tournaments, so we'll block out those hours

1072
01:39:14,150 --> 01:39:19,970
for any other like classes or pickups or whatever, so there'll be specific days that we run

1073
01:39:19,970 --> 01:39:22,030
tournaments on a specific time slot.

1074
01:39:22,690 --> 01:39:25,110
And so therefore the whole facility will be the tournament.

1075
01:39:25,110 --> 01:39:29,890
So, when you have classes, you will limit your classes to 10 people for field.

1076
01:39:31,610 --> 01:39:31,850
Thanks.

1077
01:39:33,370 --> 01:39:35,350
It's a German-fucked S1-Mortons.

1078
01:39:36,450 --> 01:39:39,810
The waste design now, I know it has five versus four.

1079
01:39:39,970 --> 01:39:41,050
It's going to be four fields.

1080
01:39:41,730 --> 01:39:47,310
But it also, on the site layout, has a birthday arena area.

1081
01:39:48,470 --> 01:39:51,690
And it's at least conceivable unless you tell us otherwise,

1082
01:39:51,690 --> 01:39:59,330
that you could have the four fields full with 40 people, two employees, but you could have.

1083
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:07,040
A group of, maybe ten or so, in the birthday arena, having refreshments or whatever.

1084
01:40:07,820 --> 01:40:09,240
Yes, earthquake cake.

1085
01:40:10,040 --> 01:40:16,260
This were just, sorry, these were just concept plans that we were playing with.

1086
01:40:16,640 --> 01:40:23,020
But that birthday arena, we've decided to use one of the spaces in the front part, one of the rooms.

1087
01:40:23,020 --> 01:40:29,440
So that will eliminate the birthday arena so it we we're not really having that birthday arena

1088
01:40:29,440 --> 01:40:36,100
It's just the room where they can set up, you know, the cake and whatnot and then the this field where they can actually go and take

1089
01:40:36,100 --> 01:40:37,820
I'm getting out is that that

1090
01:40:38,780 --> 01:40:44,000
Isn't it true that you get a 40 participants on the four fields two employees

1091
01:40:45,360 --> 01:40:51,740
What seemed to me at least two, but maybe two and max two and then in that other location

1092
01:40:51,740 --> 01:40:57,720
maybe it's in building F for F1, whatever it is now, you can have people in the birthday party room,

1093
01:40:58,200 --> 01:41:01,620
so in essence you would have more than 42 people at any given time.

1094
01:41:03,900 --> 01:41:09,800
Sure, if you include the parents, the participants are the kids playing and then the parents

1095
01:41:09,800 --> 01:41:16,160
that are usually waiting for the kids. So let's get in terms of body count, there could potentially be more.

1096
01:41:17,700 --> 01:41:20,920
But as far as participants, it's the 40 that we can add.

1097
01:41:21,280 --> 01:41:27,560
The question might be that are you going to have the kids in the designated birthday

1098
01:41:27,560 --> 01:41:34,220
food room simultaneously while having someone else use the same court that the kids were

1099
01:41:34,220 --> 01:41:34,760
just on?

1100
01:41:34,980 --> 01:41:35,900
Is there going to be overlap?

1101
01:41:36,240 --> 01:41:37,760
No, there are signs for that field.

1102
01:41:38,860 --> 01:41:45,140
Only the birthday kids will have access to that one field during their time slot.

1103
01:41:45,140 --> 01:41:50,900
So whenever somebody's in a birthday room, that feels open, nobody's on it.

1104
01:41:51,280 --> 01:41:56,040
Correct. Yes, that's for the birthday party itself. The only the birthday party attendees

1105
01:41:56,040 --> 01:42:01,920
can use that field. In other words, you're reserving both spaces, you're reserving a field

1106
01:42:01,920 --> 01:42:08,840
and the birthday room simultaneously. You cannot reserve just the field and not the birthday room

1107
01:42:08,840 --> 01:42:11,320
or vice versa. Correct. Ten things.

1108
01:42:12,660 --> 01:42:15,180
I just want to make sure I have the number correct.

1109
01:42:15,460 --> 01:42:23,120
So you have 42 participants, correct, meaning either employees or players, right?

1110
01:42:23,540 --> 01:42:30,160
For all of those 42 are going to be the employees and then there could be additional number

1111
01:42:30,160 --> 01:42:31,040
of parents.

1112
01:42:32,780 --> 01:42:35,380
It's 40 players, if you will.

1113
01:42:35,380 --> 01:42:43,720
And I think that very soon you're going to hear from Mr. Dean, which will speak to why we're using participants.

1114
01:42:44,860 --> 01:42:46,760
It's based upon the ITE standards.

1115
01:42:47,500 --> 01:42:52,260
It doesn't necessarily dictate how many people are on the property at one time.

1116
01:42:52,580 --> 01:42:57,740
It's trying to come up with a realistic number to assess the car volume.

1117
01:42:58,200 --> 01:43:01,440
Because of course you could have a vehicle and have four people in it.

1118
01:43:01,440 --> 01:43:02,820
You can have three people in it.

1119
01:43:03,740 --> 01:43:10,320
I don't want to speak from Mr. Dean, but that's why I think that's why Ricardo is

1120
01:43:10,320 --> 01:43:14,560
keying in on participant and trying to distinguish between a participant and somebody who

1121
01:43:14,560 --> 01:43:16,120
might be at the facility.

1122
01:43:17,180 --> 01:43:23,820
Not every participant is going to have a vehicle, not everyone who's at the facility is

1123
01:43:23,820 --> 01:43:24,560
going to have a vehicle.

1124
01:43:25,500 --> 01:43:28,120
And I don't mean to assume why you're asking questions.

1125
01:43:28,120 --> 01:43:36,220
I think that's why you're asking it, but I think that we'll have explanation why we're

1126
01:43:36,220 --> 01:43:37,720
honing in on the participant.

1127
01:43:38,200 --> 01:43:44,540
No, I mean, I understand that we're going to have a more concrete number of all the people

1128
01:43:44,540 --> 01:43:48,140
in that place, I guess, maybe through related testimonies that we're saying.

1129
01:43:49,220 --> 01:43:56,500
I think that I would answer that by saying that we would comply with whatever code requirements

1130
01:43:56,500 --> 01:44:05,160
there are in place for occupancy, but in terms of traffic parking counts, etc. That's what

1131
01:44:05,160 --> 01:44:11,500
you're going to hear testimony on why we're using the word participant as our measurement.

1132
01:44:12,240 --> 01:44:20,260
If I may as I TE parking for these recreational uses based on participant and not occupant or

1133
01:44:20,260 --> 01:44:24,820
that is correct. That is what I'm trying to say. I think what I'm hearing is from a parking perspective

1134
01:44:24,820 --> 01:44:28,940
and there may be other reasons why one might want to know how many people are in the building

1135
01:44:28,940 --> 01:44:34,520
in any given time. But simply from a parking perspective, the proper proper hearing from

1136
01:44:34,520 --> 01:44:42,260
council is it's going to tie to participants not parents who may be waiting around for kids or

1137
01:44:42,260 --> 01:44:47,020
or kids eating cake in a birthday room or something. That's exactly right. I didn't into a

1138
01:44:47,020 --> 01:44:52,020
assume if you were asking, you know, from an occupancy standpoint to touch from parking,

1139
01:44:52,020 --> 01:44:56,320
And I just know we've been focused on parking, so it's coming very shortly.

1140
01:45:02,860 --> 01:45:07,020
Any other questions for Roberto from soccer world?

1141
01:45:08,920 --> 01:45:11,560
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

1142
01:45:12,440 --> 01:45:18,720
Hello everyone. We are representing on-car branches. So, building D and E will occupy

1143
01:45:19,500 --> 01:45:23,320
netted turf, which will have cricket and baseball tunnels.

1144
01:45:24,340 --> 01:45:30,280
And building E will have a pickleball coach. When it comes to cricket, everything

1145
01:45:30,280 --> 01:45:38,780
what we are planning to do and what the game works, each at one given time only four people

1146
01:45:38,780 --> 01:45:44,760
can play in a tunnel and at the same time when it comes to pickleball only maximum four people

1147
01:45:44,760 --> 01:45:53,260
can play on pickleball on pickleball code as well. Now what we have designed in a way that every game

1148
01:45:53,260 --> 01:45:59,600
will be on code reservation open play sessions as well as any of the instructions will have

1149
01:45:59,600 --> 01:46:02,920
that maximum number of the occupancy on the code,

1150
01:46:03,060 --> 01:46:04,100
as well as on the turf.

1151
01:46:05,380 --> 01:46:08,440
So at a given time, only four people can play on each code.

1152
01:46:08,960 --> 01:46:10,360
They have to reserve the codes.

1153
01:46:12,000 --> 01:46:15,280
And every reservation works in a 50 minute segment

1154
01:46:16,300 --> 01:46:17,700
for the code reservations.

1155
01:46:17,900 --> 01:46:19,780
As well as when it comes to open play,

1156
01:46:20,260 --> 01:46:23,780
we provide three codes, which will have total of 12 people,

1157
01:46:24,320 --> 01:46:26,380
and that will go for 60 to 90 minutes.

1158
01:46:26,820 --> 01:46:29,160
And that is dependent on the structure

1159
01:46:29,160 --> 01:46:36,240
of that open play and that's the way we are planning to run for the pickleball as well as for the

1160
01:46:36,240 --> 01:46:44,460
for the tough tough games. So what you're you're going to have a reservation similar to the

1161
01:46:44,460 --> 01:46:49,520
testimony we just heard from the Cardox. It will be there will be no walkings it has to be

1162
01:46:49,520 --> 01:46:57,180
completely online reservations. Every code has to be resolved from that manner whether it is for

1163
01:46:57,180 --> 01:47:03,340
classes whether it is for court reservations or for open play sessions. Same goes for netting

1164
01:47:03,340 --> 01:47:09,380
and tunnels. Everything will be resolved online and that management we are doing that with

1165
01:47:09,380 --> 01:47:11,040
the professional company called court reserve.

1166
01:47:13,440 --> 01:47:17,200
Is it so just going off of some of the questions that the board and the board professionals

1167
01:47:17,200 --> 01:47:25,300
asked with the last witness? Is everyone starting in the exact same time or start time staggered?

1168
01:47:25,300 --> 01:47:26,400
That is that work.

1169
01:47:26,760 --> 01:47:35,440
So for each every for every code it is 50 minute timeline and that 10 minutes what we are doing is we are keeping the time for the change.

1170
01:47:35,940 --> 01:47:40,480
So there will not be overlap of people coming in and getting out.

1171
01:47:41,560 --> 01:47:46,800
At the same time it will be scheduled from morning 7am to 10pm.

1172
01:47:46,800 --> 01:47:54,640
That is our Monday to Monday through Friday timing and for Saturdays it will be 6am to 10pm.

1173
01:47:54,640 --> 01:47:57,320
for some days it will be from 7 to 6pm.

1174
01:47:57,920 --> 01:48:05,460
The reason we are having the most the maximum traffic what we expect as part of the players

1175
01:48:05,460 --> 01:48:11,740
and part of the second says you said is during the time frame of 5 to 10 because we at this particular

1176
01:48:11,740 --> 01:48:19,300
spot is more into youth adults and seniors. So that is the time frame which is more suitable for them

1177
01:48:19,300 --> 01:48:24,540
And that is the time which we will have where you will see the maximum occupancy of the

1178
01:48:24,540 --> 01:48:24,760
courts.

1179
01:48:25,040 --> 01:48:30,120
Because you have eight courts and they will have design open place based on the ratings

1180
01:48:30,120 --> 01:48:30,880
and gradings.

1181
01:48:32,380 --> 01:48:38,200
So theoretically, if I wanted to reserve a court, could I reserve it for an hour and then

1182
01:48:38,200 --> 01:48:48,320
if my friend one of the members, it's 50 minutes, so if it is between 8 to 850, that will be

1183
01:48:48,320 --> 01:48:53,820
time for reserving a code and the next code booking will be 9 to 9 50. So that's how we

1184
01:48:53,820 --> 01:48:58,980
we run the code bookings. But if I really like Pickleball and I want to play, I can book two

1185
01:48:58,980 --> 01:49:06,300
sessions, right? It's one person might be booking one session, another Pickleball fanatic might be there

1186
01:49:06,300 --> 01:49:13,360
for two sessions. It's not, you don't have to leave necessarily at the 50 minute mark. You have flexibility

1187
01:49:14,140 --> 01:49:22,400
reserve it. Yes, or more time. Number of employees that you anticipate. So we are the managing

1188
01:49:22,400 --> 01:49:27,900
members, but at the same time we will have one full-time program coordinator who will manage

1189
01:49:27,900 --> 01:49:34,840
the floor and we will have two part-time employees which will be on the rotating basis depending

1190
01:49:34,840 --> 01:49:42,840
on the traffic and on the weekends sessions. So including yourselves the maximum number of employees

1191
01:49:42,840 --> 01:49:47,340
you're anticipating counting you as an employee just you're at the at the property.

1192
01:49:47,600 --> 01:49:54,120
It took me four. Okay. And then that might that might be lower if it's not busy and okay.

1193
01:49:54,400 --> 01:49:57,640
Maximum minimum two maximum four. Okay.

1194
01:49:59,680 --> 01:49:59,940
Assess.

1195
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:05,820
Uses that you're considering. Any assessory uses, are you having any food and beverage offerings to

1196
01:50:05,820 --> 01:50:07,600
you and to the paper, pay parties?

1197
01:50:08,920 --> 01:50:12,740
From back to city's perspective, it's pickleball. When it comes to pickleball, it will be just

1198
01:50:12,740 --> 01:50:18,780
a record and ball. When it comes to cricket, the cricket bad ball, we will have in-house

1199
01:50:18,780 --> 01:50:24,040
bowling machine. And when it comes to food and beverages, we are looking into running machines.

1200
01:50:24,040 --> 01:50:33,040
and as Ricardo said, the concession center, so that they can buy any refreshments or water or things like package.

1201
01:50:33,280 --> 01:50:33,700
Deep package.

1202
01:50:36,980 --> 01:50:39,340
I think that's it for me.

1203
01:50:43,240 --> 01:50:47,100
From Monday to Friday, it will be 7am to 10pm.

1204
01:50:47,480 --> 01:50:50,500
For Saturdays, it will be 6am to 10pm.

1205
01:50:50,740 --> 01:50:52,560
And for Sundays, it will be 6 to 6.

1206
01:50:57,580 --> 01:50:58,500
Birthday parties.

1207
01:50:59,340 --> 01:51:09,120
When it comes to body parties, we are, for one particular code, they can reserve a code and maximum six to 12 people can accommodate.

1208
01:51:09,520 --> 01:51:11,760
If there are more than six people, we give two codes.

1209
01:51:12,640 --> 01:51:18,540
So the number of people coming in for body parties will determine the number of codes assignment.

1210
01:51:19,360 --> 01:51:26,080
So for each body parties, maximum six, if they have more people, they have to book another code as well.

1211
01:51:26,080 --> 01:51:34,020
So, um, so each if a court is reserved for a birthday party the maximum number of children would be six.

1212
01:51:34,340 --> 01:51:37,760
Yes. And if you have more friends coming to your birthday party,

1213
01:51:37,900 --> 01:51:42,340
you have the book couple of quotes because it won't be suffice for people to enjoy and play.

1214
01:51:43,020 --> 01:51:51,560
If there is only one court and if there are more than 12 people, it will not accommodate even the players or even for the people who are playing.

1215
01:51:51,560 --> 01:51:57,240
Okay, and you have a play zone, is that like a separate membership or house that work?

1216
01:51:57,280 --> 01:52:04,000
No, it's just a play area for people who are coming in and they can just hang out so we are trying to create just the rest like

1217
01:52:04,440 --> 01:52:11,200
a lounge area where they can hang out, we're gonna put a small football table or a ping pong table,

1218
01:52:11,300 --> 01:52:14,960
so they can play, it is nothing regarding membership or anything.

1219
01:52:17,200 --> 01:52:22,680
So, I'm not a math whiz, but it looks like the maximum number of folks that would be

1220
01:52:22,680 --> 01:52:26,360
participants that would be in here would be probably 52.

1221
01:52:26,940 --> 01:52:27,420
32.

1222
01:52:27,980 --> 01:52:34,000
32 for pickleball, and when it comes to cricket, if you for five tunnels, if you count

1223
01:52:34,000 --> 01:52:38,460
even four, that would be another 20, so yeah, your number is 52.

1224
01:52:38,940 --> 01:52:44,020
52, and then four employees, it may go up a little bit if there's a birthday party occurring.

1225
01:52:44,300 --> 01:52:44,480
Yes.

1226
01:52:45,640 --> 01:52:46,040
Thank

1227
01:52:50,300 --> 01:52:50,700
you.

1228
01:52:50,820 --> 01:52:51,300
Thank you.

1229
01:52:51,420 --> 01:52:51,820
I don't know.

1230
01:52:52,020 --> 01:52:53,000
It must the board has.

1231
01:52:53,180 --> 01:52:53,620
We're questions.

1232
01:52:57,170 --> 01:52:57,190
No.

1233
01:52:57,190 --> 01:52:58,270
Thank you.

1234
01:53:07,220 --> 01:53:08,020
Thank you.

1235
01:53:08,020 --> 01:53:10,360
Thank you.

1236
01:53:12,200 --> 01:53:12,480
Thank you.

1237
01:53:12,480 --> 01:53:13,900
Michael Drillisov, we should train center.

1238
01:53:14,080 --> 01:53:15,220
Unit B.

1239
01:53:15,520 --> 01:53:17,880
Ironically, I'm the cheer and gymnastics guy.

1240
01:53:18,560 --> 01:53:20,500
Michael, you heard a lot of the questions that were asked.

1241
01:53:20,620 --> 01:53:21,560
A lot of the answers.

1242
01:53:22,620 --> 01:53:26,420
Can you just provide the board with some background regarding your operations.

1243
01:53:26,420 --> 01:53:33,040
you've been in existence for X number of years, hours of operation, employees, participants.

1244
01:53:33,800 --> 01:53:39,060
Sure. Sure. The business began in 1998. We were in Somerside County, 2007.

1245
01:53:41,280 --> 01:53:47,100
Post COVID, we were shut down in COVID and our operation still operates the same coming out.

1246
01:53:47,780 --> 01:53:53,220
So we have a 50-minute class sessions with a 10-minute break in between to accommodate people coming

1247
01:53:53,220 --> 01:54:01,060
going and it just worked well in our model for our business. We do small group training from

1248
01:54:01,060 --> 01:54:09,480
beginner to elite. A lot of one-on-one private instruction. So it's sessions are 50 minutes. I have

1249
01:54:09,480 --> 01:54:15,760
forcing your staff, experts in the field. They work with small group environments. Generally

1250
01:54:15,760 --> 01:54:21,780
their schedules is one-on-one, so we'll have if we have three senior staff to improve private instruction.

1251
01:54:21,780 --> 01:54:31,020
that would be six people. We do have a class structure. It's the same 12-month calendar of classes all year.

1252
01:54:32,060 --> 01:54:37,740
The classes start generally after school. They'll go until, you know, one of the kids schedule.

1253
01:54:38,000 --> 01:54:43,960
So once we home for homework and dinner right at 30, so our last class will generally get out at 8 o'clock.

1254
01:54:45,960 --> 01:54:52,240
We may have a class going on, classes are six kids, and some private instruction.

1255
01:54:53,340 --> 01:54:58,760
So generally, the given take the flow, there's about 15 in the gym in a busy time.

1256
01:54:59,020 --> 01:54:59,520
We have one second.

1257
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:07,280
Full-time administrative staff. She works off-site. She's 830 to 430. And then I'm an owner operator.

1258
01:55:09,580 --> 01:55:15,640
If you had to ballpark your estimating 15 people utilizing your space at one time?

1259
01:55:15,900 --> 01:55:18,040
Say it's fair. That's, yes.

1260
01:55:18,820 --> 01:55:26,920
Okay. And then I was speaking to the applicant. You gave the hours of operation anticipated.

1261
01:55:26,920 --> 01:55:32,660
Yes, yeah, we'll start around three o'clock kids get at a school. Some of our high school age students

1262
01:55:32,660 --> 01:55:39,480
Some of the kids will get there around that time back and then we'll go till about 8.8.30 and then on Saturdays

1263
01:55:40,680 --> 01:55:47,400
First class was started around eight nine in the morning. That's when the little time you one show up and then we're usually done by one on Saturdays

1264
01:55:48,060 --> 01:55:53,640
Sundays at day to rest the staff rest their bodies so we only have special scheduled events on Sunday as needed

1265
01:55:53,640 --> 01:55:55,380
We don't do birthday parties

1266
01:55:56,920 --> 01:55:59,720
I have no further questions.

1267
01:56:02,180 --> 01:56:06,500
So this is not a competitive tier business model.

1268
01:56:06,940 --> 01:56:09,160
Is no longer a competitive tier business model.

1269
01:56:09,460 --> 01:56:10,500
Thank you.

1270
01:56:13,950 --> 01:56:14,130
Okay.

1271
01:56:15,150 --> 01:56:19,170
Just a general comment to help with the parking situation.

1272
01:56:20,250 --> 01:56:25,190
I think these tenants should consider offsetting their intervals,

1273
01:56:26,330 --> 01:56:30,590
so that you're not flipping all eight courts at the same time,

1274
01:56:30,590 --> 01:56:37,070
We're flipping all five fields at the same time, if you can offset the intervals, then it reduces

1275
01:56:37,070 --> 01:56:42,830
the impact of the change over parking, which is a concern from my standpoint, but we can speak

1276
01:56:42,830 --> 01:56:43,390
to that later.

1277
01:56:44,710 --> 01:56:46,850
We would stipulate to doing that.

1278
01:56:46,970 --> 01:56:48,690
We can certainly do that.

1279
01:56:49,090 --> 01:56:57,450
Also with, I know we've heard 10 to 15 minutes in between, but that's convenient for the actual

1280
01:56:57,450 --> 01:57:04,550
facility inside, but not everyone's leaving immediately. They're hanging around maybe, and so

1281
01:57:04,550 --> 01:57:10,250
I would imagine there's going to be some overlap between sessions with parking.

1282
01:57:12,570 --> 01:57:13,230
That's been

1283
01:57:13,230 --> 01:57:17,610
my experience. Yeah. I would imagine you have the person that has to get to their next

1284
01:57:17,610 --> 01:57:21,190
thing, and they're out of there immediately, and then you have people that are hanging around

1285
01:57:21,190 --> 01:57:27,550
socializing, talking. So I think you're going to have a different experience with if there's

1286
01:57:27,550 --> 01:57:33,690
not going to be, this isn't how it is. Everyone's going to have a different experience coming

1287
01:57:33,690 --> 01:57:40,450
and going, I think it's just different. It's hard to project exactly when everyone is leaving,

1288
01:57:40,470 --> 01:57:47,370
everyone is going. So what I would want to know for that situation is how does that factor

1289
01:57:47,370 --> 01:57:49,970
to your parking allocation or the traffic.

1290
01:57:51,070 --> 01:57:51,310
Yes.

1291
01:58:00,300 --> 01:58:02,700
I think since we've heard the business testimony,

1292
01:58:02,980 --> 01:58:04,420
unless there's any other questions or professionals

1293
01:58:04,420 --> 01:58:06,240
or the board, or open it to the public,

1294
01:58:06,420 --> 01:58:09,620
so if the public has any questions that they would like to ask.

1295
01:58:10,640 --> 01:58:12,600
And just for clarification by May, Mr. Chairman,

1296
01:58:12,620 --> 01:58:15,400
this is questions of any of the three-fact witnesses,

1297
01:58:16,200 --> 01:58:18,700
as well as the prior two witnesses, the architect,

1298
01:58:19,040 --> 01:58:19,680
and the engineer.

1299
01:58:20,880 --> 01:58:21,300
Thank you.

1300
01:58:23,850 --> 01:58:26,090
Seeing no members of the public stepping forward,

1301
01:58:26,090 --> 01:58:28,090
I motion to close to the public.

1302
01:58:30,220 --> 01:58:30,720
All in favor?

1303
01:58:31,400 --> 01:58:31,560
All in favor?

1304
01:58:32,080 --> 01:58:32,140
All in favor?

1305
01:58:32,600 --> 01:58:32,800
Okay.

1306
01:58:33,600 --> 01:58:33,920
It's Chairman.

1307
01:58:34,620 --> 01:58:35,980
The moment we've all been waiting for.

1308
01:58:36,840 --> 01:58:37,740
Our star witness.

1309
01:58:37,900 --> 01:58:38,500
It's the ball.

1310
01:58:38,900 --> 01:58:39,780
Thank you.

1311
01:58:40,520 --> 01:58:40,800
Good evening.

1312
01:58:45,850 --> 01:58:52,190
Gary Dean, DEA, and of Dolan and Dean Consulting Engineers in Summerville, and I am the

1313
01:58:52,190 --> 01:58:54,970
Traffic Engineering Consultant for the applicant of the Pied.

1314
01:58:55,510 --> 01:59:00,430
Many times before this board, as well as the Planning Board over the past 35 or so years.

1315
01:59:01,450 --> 01:59:02,870
My sense is in good stance.

1316
01:59:02,910 --> 01:59:03,810
Yes, it is.

1317
01:59:03,890 --> 01:59:04,390
My apologies.

1318
01:59:04,530 --> 01:59:06,050
Mr. Dean, well, it's up to testimony.

1319
01:59:06,050 --> 01:59:06,890
You've been before the bill.

1320
01:59:06,890 --> 01:59:07,830
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

1321
01:59:10,650 --> 01:59:14,990
I think because parking seems to be the main issue,

1322
01:59:15,330 --> 01:59:18,250
I'd like to address that, if that's acceptable to the board.

1323
01:59:18,650 --> 01:59:20,810
Just for identification purposes,

1324
01:59:21,450 --> 01:59:25,970
I did prepare and submit a traffic impact analysis for the facility.

1325
01:59:26,250 --> 01:59:28,750
It stated May 4th of this year.

1326
01:59:28,750 --> 01:59:36,430
It includes traffic counts when we would expect this facility to be busiest or the road would be busiest and that's

1327
01:59:36,430 --> 01:59:41,390
principally during after noon hours on a weekday or on a Saturday.

1328
01:59:42,650 --> 01:59:50,630
While I did just learn from the applicant that some of these components may be open in the morning or

1329
01:59:50,630 --> 01:59:52,390
should I say not the applicant attendance.

1330
01:59:53,950 --> 01:59:59,930
Traditionally that has not been a particularly active time in terms of the U.C.

1331
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:08,000
Even though it's available and open, so we didn't study that in particular. My appearances before

1332
02:00:08,670 --> 02:00:15,580
the planning board have included both North Branch Walk, which is under construction, I'll

1333
02:00:15,580 --> 02:00:29,980
say, behind or to the west of the subject property. And soon, I think this board will be hearing

1334
02:00:30,900 --> 02:00:41,020
And with all of that background and work and my involvement with those other projects, we have taken a fairly comprehensive look at the overall traffic environment.

1335
02:00:42,280 --> 02:00:55,140
We are aware of the fact that your master plan and I certainly know Mr. Ball has been pursuing the ultimate extension of myster avenue to connect both ends from county light to Reddington.

1336
02:00:55,140 --> 02:01:00,240
I don't know that any of us in the room though, and that'll happen, so we didn't quite

1337
02:01:00,240 --> 02:01:04,140
forecast that into the overall analysis.

1338
02:01:05,640 --> 02:01:12,760
We did contrast the proposed traffic from an athletic or recreational facility with a

1339
02:01:12,760 --> 02:01:17,640
light industrial, and just given some of the population numbers, you just heard, yes, it

1340
02:01:17,640 --> 02:01:18,380
will be busier.

1341
02:01:18,860 --> 02:01:24,360
So we needed to look at, well, the driveway's work safely and efficiently, and will

1342
02:01:24,360 --> 02:01:28,820
be a negative impact on operations at Myster and Reddington.

1343
02:01:29,340 --> 02:01:34,960
If anyone has any questions about that methodology or the findings, I'd be happy to get

1344
02:01:34,960 --> 02:01:41,860
into that but I think the parking and the non-coincident nature that you've heard in terms

1345
02:01:41,860 --> 02:01:45,800
of scheduling will tend to spread the traffic out.

1346
02:01:45,980 --> 02:01:51,860
This isn't like an employment-based facility where five o'clock six o'clock most leave.

1347
02:01:51,860 --> 02:01:57,420
This will be distributed over multiple hours throughout the afternoon and into the evening.

1348
02:01:58,120 --> 02:02:03,060
Nevertheless, and I took very copious notes during all of that testimony,

1349
02:02:04,760 --> 02:02:09,800
we did look at parking based on how many people could be in the building.

1350
02:02:10,420 --> 02:02:18,500
We said participants, and I think we should err on the side of being conservative and assume not only participants,

1351
02:02:18,500 --> 02:02:22,700
But those who work there because presumably they'll need to park

1352
02:02:22,700 --> 02:02:34,760
So I'll do my best to recap as as succinctly as I can just to get to the bottom line numbers and as you heard there will be eight pickleball courts

1353
02:02:35,640 --> 02:02:36,460
with

1354
02:02:36,460 --> 02:02:41,140
up to a maximum of four participants per court

1355
02:02:41,140 --> 02:02:44,740
32 spaces for the people playing

1356
02:02:47,400 --> 02:03:00,900
Partners, husband and wife, who may drive in the same car to play, will just pull that and assume everyone who's playing on a pickleball court drove themselves to the site.

1357
02:03:01,460 --> 02:03:02,920
So that's 32 spaces.

1358
02:03:03,760 --> 02:03:09,540
We then have the cricket tunnels and add four participants per tunnel that's 20 spaces.

1359
02:03:10,260 --> 02:03:20,300
Then we have four soccer fields, five on five competition instruction, what have you, and that could be up to 40 participants.

1360
02:03:21,260 --> 02:03:23,840
So that brings us to 92 spaces.

1361
02:03:25,320 --> 02:03:27,120
We then have to include the employees.

1362
02:03:27,120 --> 02:03:37,020
and I heard at any one time there would be two employees for no, I stand corrected.

1363
02:03:37,120 --> 02:03:42,480
Four employees for pickleball and cricket and that would be the manager, the two

1364
02:03:42,480 --> 02:03:50,140
part timers and the one full time. We then have soccer as Ricardo indicated he would

1365
02:03:50,140 --> 02:03:56,080
have same thing, not all those employees would be there at the same time, but two maximum

1366
02:03:56,080 --> 02:04:05,600
at once, and then for the geogenastic space that could also have four staff. As I add

1367
02:04:05,600 --> 02:04:14,060
all that up, it's 102 parking spaces and the plan has 120. So we have a buffer of about

1368
02:04:14,060 --> 02:04:22,560
just under 20%. The participants for the geogenastics, I will assume that they are not of

1369
02:04:23,600 --> 02:04:30,860
So there would be a traffic component with that activity but those parents would drop off

1370
02:04:30,860 --> 02:04:32,820
or care providers and then leave.

1371
02:04:33,160 --> 02:04:36,640
I don't imagine there's a need for them to wait for 50 minutes.

1372
02:04:37,760 --> 02:04:42,600
So I haven't assumed that those 15 participants would drive or would need parking.

1373
02:04:43,660 --> 02:04:45,300
But let's assume they did.

1374
02:04:46,060 --> 02:04:48,180
That brings my total to 117.

1375
02:04:48,180 --> 02:04:54,940
we still have sufficient parking under this plan. So there are a lot of assumptions built

1376
02:04:54,940 --> 02:04:59,940
into that. That means everybody who can fit on a court or on a field is due to

1377
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:09,940
So, at the exact same time, and they would need parking. Does that happen? I guess, for this purpose, we should assume it does.

1378
02:05:10,460 --> 02:05:21,800
But I think through this exercise, I'll call it worst case. In my opinion, we have sufficient parking for employees and participants.

1379
02:05:22,500 --> 02:05:47,040
I will say the site has room to fit more parking, where evaluating that because as you've heard tonight the rental spaces or units A and B could follow the same type of activity, but as Mr. Ball indicated, I think as I understood, we'll need to come back once those tenants have been identified and again there's some

1380
02:05:47,040 --> 02:05:51,140
player application you said A and B. I thought that was the unit numbers.

1381
02:05:51,140 --> 02:05:53,460
Didn't we hear the cheers and B?

1382
02:05:53,800 --> 02:05:54,080
Yes, the cheers.

1383
02:05:54,080 --> 02:05:54,500
I'm sorry.

1384
02:05:55,060 --> 02:05:55,200
Okay.

1385
02:05:55,940 --> 02:05:57,000
So it's A and B.

1386
02:05:57,000 --> 02:05:58,000
So it's only A.

1387
02:05:59,220 --> 02:05:59,860
That's okay.

1388
02:06:00,700 --> 02:06:04,480
Up front, enough energy if I'm going to.

1389
02:06:04,480 --> 02:06:05,340
Thank you Mr. Water.

1390
02:06:05,760 --> 02:06:06,480
I think so.

1391
02:06:07,060 --> 02:06:10,680
Could you be comfortable if I should actually show it to me part three right now and you don't want to

1392
02:06:10,680 --> 02:06:10,940
go ahead?

1393
02:06:11,180 --> 02:06:11,840
No, I think that's fine.

1394
02:06:12,220 --> 02:06:17,020
So we actually, we actually did come prepared this evening because we

1395
02:06:17,020 --> 02:06:22,400
thought that the board would have questions regarding parking and I had previously mentioned

1396
02:06:22,400 --> 02:06:26,680
generally on that when we were preparing the site plan we were very constrained trying to keep

1397
02:06:26,680 --> 02:06:32,600
everything as a minor development. But once it became a major development we explored a scenario

1398
02:06:32,600 --> 02:06:39,360
with respect to banked parking. So I'm going to pull an exhibit up that was not presented with

1399
02:06:39,360 --> 02:06:43,960
our application that will have to mark and Mr. Dean will present the exhibit.

1400
02:06:44,880 --> 02:06:47,680
A1 is a, I'm going to guess, thank you.

1401
02:06:48,040 --> 02:06:48,840
That's correct.

1402
02:06:56,660 --> 02:06:59,380
I'm going to have a property on the northern side here.

1403
02:06:59,640 --> 02:07:01,440
I'm going to just grab the microphone for us, Council.

1404
02:07:01,880 --> 02:07:02,820
Sorry about that.

1405
02:07:07,060 --> 02:07:10,220
Mr. Stuyers had previously testified about the northern portion of the property.

1406
02:07:13,320 --> 02:07:14,560
I'll, I'll come up.

1407
02:07:15,160 --> 02:07:21,300
So I just, like, just for, this will be exhibit A1 and it is.

1408
02:07:21,300 --> 02:07:23,320
It's partying plan, right?

1409
02:07:23,780 --> 02:07:28,960
And that it was a who prepared it and what exactly is it?

1410
02:07:29,000 --> 02:07:36,680
It's entitled Site Plan Rendering Prepared by Stires Associates with a date of today, 9126,

1411
02:07:37,280 --> 02:07:44,460
and it's just an exhibit recognizing the nature of relief that's being sought is an

1412
02:07:44,900 --> 02:07:50,400
and alasum-reddington road runs north south, so technically north is to the right side of the exhibit,

1413
02:07:50,400 --> 02:07:57,360
making this the the westerly side of of the longer portion or deeper portion of the building and Craig

1414
02:07:57,360 --> 02:08:02,480
I think it's 48 additional spaces 49. Thank you.

1415
02:08:02,920 --> 02:08:08,500
In an area that can be adequately drained and there's a lot of storm water that I know nothing about

1416
02:08:08,500 --> 02:08:13,960
but my understanding is that that infrastructure can accommodate that that additional

1417
02:08:13,960 --> 02:08:23,660
uh, paved the area, but that does bring our parking ups substantially to 169 with that.

1418
02:08:24,260 --> 02:08:30,200
And again, as we're looking to fill and get tenants in that remaining one unit space,

1419
02:08:30,700 --> 02:08:36,420
I think that becomes a very logical area to fully engineer and evaluate.

1420
02:08:36,720 --> 02:08:42,440
Mr. Dean, the board professionals and obviously the board, I've not had the benefit of evaluating

1421
02:08:42,440 --> 02:08:47,780
this bank parking proposal prior to tonight's hearing right under that is correct yes

1422
02:08:47,780 --> 02:08:54,800
is it fair to say that this is a demonstration that if there were parking difficulties on the

1423
02:08:54,800 --> 02:08:59,140
on the site that there are means to accommodate those difficulties elsewhere in the site it's you're

1424
02:08:59,140 --> 02:09:04,320
not necessarily saying that this is exactly what we would do but it's is it just to demonstrate that

1425
02:09:04,320 --> 02:09:11,100
there are other options correct then I think just in looking at it I think we could even be a

1426
02:09:11,100 --> 02:09:16,920
a bit more efficient with that design and get the supply north of at least 50 if not 55

1427
02:09:16,920 --> 02:09:23,220
spaces. Just by, I'll say, putting head in parking all around the perimeter as best as we

1428
02:09:23,220 --> 02:09:30,360
can, it's more efficient than having the layout we have. But we can get at least 49 parking

1429
02:09:30,360 --> 02:09:36,880
spaces, yes. I'm very comfortable with that. So again, that would bring our total to 49 plus

1430
02:09:36,880 --> 02:09:40,880
120, so we're at 169 roughly 170, at least.

1431
02:09:41,300 --> 02:09:45,700
And you were already comfortable with the originally proposed parking

1432
02:09:45,700 --> 02:09:46,540
counts.

1433
02:09:46,760 --> 02:09:54,500
Yes, there's been a dynamic process with swapping out the industrial

1434
02:09:54,500 --> 02:09:58,720
trying to tackle the concerns that were raised with whether

1435
02:09:58,720 --> 02:09:59,940
two-principle use it

1436
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:07,840
Or perhaps one might say incompatible uses between an industrial use and recreational by converting

1437
02:10:07,840 --> 02:10:13,140
the entire building to recreational. We obviously solved that problem. So when I did my original

1438
02:10:13,140 --> 02:10:19,420
calculations, we segregated out the industrial space and office, which have much lower parking

1439
02:10:19,420 --> 02:10:24,660
requirements. But nevertheless, even having gone through the math and testimony you heard

1440
02:10:24,660 --> 02:10:31,200
night and then combined with this and I think our planner will wrap it up nicely is that we in my opinion

1441
02:10:31,200 --> 02:10:36,840
from a traffic engineering perspective meet the site suitability test that's part of the

1442
02:10:36,840 --> 02:10:44,060
variance that's being requested and that the property is certainly has the ability to accommodate this

1443
02:10:44,060 --> 02:10:50,400
and a safe controlled and efficient manner. Some of the other features while I'm just describing it

1444
02:10:50,400 --> 02:10:57,880
would be 360 degree full circulation for fire and emergency vehicles around the entire building

1445
02:10:57,880 --> 02:11:05,820
perimeter. All of the new interior aisles would be 24 feet, where we are actually doing

1446
02:11:05,820 --> 02:11:12,320
construction. There was one little bit of relief that was discussed, and that is, and I'm

1447
02:11:12,320 --> 02:11:16,860
going to use my scales, but I'm at the very southern end of the building, the southwest corner.

1448
02:11:16,860 --> 02:11:25,760
There is an existing rear access drive that was for trucks to serve unit A. That access

1449
02:11:25,760 --> 02:11:33,760
aisle is 24 feet. I think the ordinance is, excuse me, that aisle is 22 feet. The ordinance

1450
02:11:33,760 --> 02:11:41,760
might be 24. I will say it's worked presumably free from defect for decades. 22 feet is

1451
02:11:41,760 --> 02:11:48,220
than most streets. So in my opinion, it's certainly suitable to safely accommodate two-way traffic.

1452
02:11:48,940 --> 02:11:56,100
I am not in favor of unnecessarily adding more impervious coverage where it's not essential

1453
02:11:56,100 --> 02:12:03,720
for traffic safety and I have zero issues with 22 feet safely continuing to carry traffic.

1454
02:12:04,580 --> 02:12:10,220
There is one element that came up. I think in the fire officials report where they wanted

1455
02:12:10,220 --> 02:12:21,180
And I'm going by memory now, I believe it's 26 feet where there is a fire hydrant and there has been a request to put a fire hydrant directly behind.

1456
02:12:21,460 --> 02:12:31,200
I'll say buildings A and B. We meet that 26 feet of width and there's a detail in the fire officials report that shows that.

1457
02:12:31,200 --> 02:12:37,760
But that same area, which is directly adjacent to the hydrant just for maneuvering and connections,

1458
02:12:38,560 --> 02:12:43,620
doesn't apply along the balance of the connector aisle, because there isn't a hydrant.

1459
02:12:44,380 --> 02:12:48,960
So we would meet that standard that the fire official has requested.

1460
02:12:49,720 --> 02:12:56,580
All of the other areas of the site, including that aisle, will provide full circulation for two-way traffic flow.

1461
02:12:56,580 --> 02:13:03,360
I did hear the discussion Mr. Ball raise the concern about the depth of the parking areas

1462
02:13:03,360 --> 02:13:13,340
or aisle in front of units A and B. A 60 foot ribbon of asphalt accommodates an 18 foot

1463
02:13:13,340 --> 02:13:26,560
deep parking space, a 24 foot aisle for maneuvering and another 18 foot space. We have about

1464
02:13:26,560 --> 02:13:34,880
are they, I don't know, 40 or so parking spaces, whether it's worth to tear up more greens

1465
02:13:34,880 --> 02:13:42,380
face and put down more black top, when this has clearly operated for decades, for Taylor

1466
02:13:42,380 --> 02:13:48,380
forge, and I see no need to change it, but obviously if the board or your professionals

1467
02:13:48,380 --> 02:13:51,200
feel strongly enough, we can do that.

1468
02:13:51,200 --> 02:14:04,960
The other thing that could be done is to consider vehicle overhang and use wheel stops or things where we effectively meet the 24 feet of Iowa with just by having the cars pull forward a little bit more.

1469
02:14:05,420 --> 02:14:14,060
But either way, it can be accomplished if needed. And I think those are the only, oh, there was one other aspect about pedestrian circulation.

1470
02:14:14,060 --> 02:14:22,460
And we have proposed to continue, I'll say, the pathway along the little appendages for

1471
02:14:22,460 --> 02:14:28,880
give me, I forget the unit numbers, I think one of them was G. What we've done is that

1472
02:14:28,880 --> 02:14:36,540
we have shown a striped pathway and I think Kendra raised a concern about what you're walking

1473
02:14:36,540 --> 02:14:42,140
behind a parking space. Well, we do right outside here in Holland Brook School and your

1474
02:14:42,140 --> 02:14:48,680
schools all have a traditional double-loaded parking field where people walk in the aisle

1475
02:14:48,680 --> 02:14:51,220
that's safe, it's clear, there's tons of visibility.

1476
02:14:52,060 --> 02:14:55,860
The fact that we just put striping behind those spaces, I don't think in any way, changes

1477
02:14:55,860 --> 02:14:58,840
what is a common parking lot design.

1478
02:15:01,140 --> 02:15:26,320
I'm not sure where the issue is with that, but we can, I don't know that we can start to introduce up, I'm going to point news that scale, but I'll say instead of having a straight walking area where then dips in behind the parking spaces and then goes along the side of the building and then comes back out, I can say with absolute certainty, people walking straight line.

1479
02:15:26,920 --> 02:15:31,520
Can we remove those spaces all together since you have more parking in the rear?

1480
02:15:32,380 --> 02:15:34,620
I'll leave that to the boards with them.

1481
02:15:34,800 --> 02:15:38,020
I have no trouble with them like I said, it's the design you're having your own parking

1482
02:15:38,020 --> 02:15:44,040
where people park and walk in in the aisle, but you're directing people.

1483
02:15:44,340 --> 02:15:49,160
Walk in a parking lot is different than creating an actual space to walk behind there,

1484
02:15:49,820 --> 02:15:53,440
but that'd be one way to solve it, it's just take away those parking spaces.

1485
02:15:53,440 --> 02:15:57,440
I'm not in favor of taking away parking at this phase.

1486
02:15:57,900 --> 02:16:00,440
I'd be more in favor of getting rid of the striping.

1487
02:16:01,600 --> 02:16:05,000
People are still going to walk in the aisle,

1488
02:16:06,640 --> 02:16:10,540
but we just haven't sanctioned it with a striped area behind those spaces.

1489
02:16:12,340 --> 02:16:19,960
Again, it's a belt and suspenders approach to providing that continuous walkway.

1490
02:16:20,480 --> 02:16:24,940
But if it's turning out to be objectionable, like I said, we can just get rid of the striping.

1491
02:16:28,100 --> 02:16:30,780
I mean, usually you don't want to have employee parking.

1492
02:16:30,980 --> 02:16:44,020
I would think close to the main entrance is, but would that be a possibility if we keep them to have that designated employee parking just because it's perhaps less utilized than I don't know.

1493
02:16:44,420 --> 02:16:45,960
Here's my take on that.

1494
02:16:45,960 --> 02:16:52,400
And if pedestrian safety is what's driving that concern, I'd rather have, call it the customers,

1495
02:16:52,700 --> 02:16:58,540
the clients, the participants park closest to the entrances, rather than having the employees

1496
02:16:58,540 --> 02:17:04,360
there, that means the participants in their traffic are all crossing the same aisle anyway.

1497
02:17:04,500 --> 02:17:06,440
So we really haven't accomplished much.

1498
02:17:06,800 --> 02:17:13,100
It could be done, yes, if, like I said, if the concern is a lot of backing maneuvers from

1499
02:17:13,100 --> 02:17:20,840
those dozen or so spaces and having the concern of people walking in that strike area.

1500
02:17:21,240 --> 02:17:25,460
Oftentimes you'll see in front of a shopping center that strike area is strike this

1501
02:17:25,460 --> 02:17:31,700
fire lane. People still walk, you know, so it's just pain. It could be there, it doesn't

1502
02:17:31,700 --> 02:17:34,220
have to be there. I'll leave that to the board in your professionals.

1503
02:17:37,000 --> 02:17:41,900
And on that we are

1504
02:17:43,680 --> 02:17:53,040
I believe it is done, as part of North Branch Walk, the county had that applicant stripe, but dedicated left turn lane on Reddington Road.

1505
02:17:54,140 --> 02:17:58,220
I haven't seen it, but I met with that applicant last week and he said, yeah, we did that work.

1506
02:17:58,320 --> 02:18:09,200
And if they haven't, it's supposed to be there, so that there is a lane, whether traffic continues west on my store comes in the back, but that has, it's part of North Branch Walk.

1507
02:18:10,520 --> 02:18:14,180
Beyond that, we're leaving the access points as is.

1508
02:18:14,340 --> 02:18:17,180
They have clear, unobstructed sight lines,

1509
02:18:17,880 --> 02:18:19,980
and they've worked very well for the existing building.

1510
02:18:20,340 --> 02:18:24,480
So we are keeping those rather than channeling traffic at only one location.

1511
02:18:26,720 --> 02:18:29,200
And that's, I think all I have in the way direct at this point.

1512
02:18:29,580 --> 02:18:36,240
Is there any consideration along the long sections of the building

1513
02:18:36,240 --> 02:18:44,080
for a speed bump or something to keep traffic speeds at a reasonable amount?

1514
02:18:45,060 --> 02:18:52,200
We didn't think of that, but certainly I'm hearing it, I don't see any reason why not.

1515
02:18:52,680 --> 02:18:59,320
Fire sometimes gets a little anxious about speedhumps and their ability to respond, but

1516
02:18:59,320 --> 02:19:05,360
I think it's prudent with the potential for some limited amount of children in the facility.

1517
02:19:06,660 --> 02:19:11,840
We're more than happy to work with your board professionals any type of way finding signage,

1518
02:19:12,140 --> 02:19:18,280
safety signage, speed bumps, whatever they recommend, we're happy to install it.

1519
02:19:22,260 --> 02:19:28,760
Chair, it's my opinion that if you want to variance the conferred from an industrial use

1520
02:19:28,760 --> 02:19:35,220
to a recreational use, you need to present a comprehensive parking solution for the entire

1521
02:19:35,220 --> 02:19:43,780
space being for your new use, not we'll do this now, then we'll come back when we have

1522
02:19:43,780 --> 02:19:50,700
some more. The variance is converting the use, the parking has to come to the whole,

1523
02:19:50,700 --> 02:19:54,780
That's my opinion. Number two,

1524
02:19:57,120 --> 02:19:59,940
the facility down the road.

1525
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:29,980
I drive by it all the time. I think it's great. However, there is insufficient parking at that facility. Certain days of the year, times of the day. They park all over the yard on the grass, up and down the street. So that's an example where the best calculations work most of the time. They don't work all the time. So I really think that you should air use the property that you have and put in lots of parking because there's no place in the front.

1526
02:20:30,000 --> 02:20:34,180
for them to pull on the grass. And we don't want them wind up on writing thin

1527
02:20:34,180 --> 02:20:43,880
row. And then the third point I just want to make is in your traffic study, Mr. Dean,

1528
02:20:44,300 --> 02:20:54,140
what I noticed yesterday when I was driving around is that the North Walk development is now using

1529
02:20:54,140 --> 02:21:00,140
uh, mice to the lane to get it in and out of the back of that, right? There's a lot of traffic coming in

1530
02:21:00,140 --> 02:21:05,440
that I didn't realize that was being used to like, throw down there. That's not totally built out.

1531
02:21:06,400 --> 02:21:15,940
So, I don't think that you're, I don't think you took into consideration the increased traffic of that development using mice

1532
02:21:15,940 --> 02:21:22,560
and I'm concerned about the people trying to come out that back and turn left on

1533
02:21:22,560 --> 02:21:26,880
Ridington Road. It's going to be that intersection is going to be a problem during

1534
02:21:26,880 --> 02:21:31,780
high traffic things. I know that's made be beyond your scope as the weather that

1535
02:21:31,780 --> 02:21:36,260
you said they're putting in a left lane, but I see a bigger problem with

1536
02:21:36,260 --> 02:21:40,920
myster and Ridington. I was the traffic engineer for North Branch Walk, so we

1537
02:21:40,920 --> 02:21:49,260
spent a lot of time with the planning board, part of North Branch Walk, and we have been

1538
02:21:49,260 --> 02:21:56,400
thus far, if at a few setbacks, but now we're inching forward, that community is supposed to be

1539
02:21:56,400 --> 02:22:03,240
served by a new traffic light, or I'll say a reconfiguration of the traffic light, at East and

1540
02:22:03,240 --> 02:22:08,300
Turnpike in front of QuickCheck. Right now, it isn't built. It's only a right and right out driveway.

1541
02:22:08,300 --> 02:22:15,280
So anyone that lives in the community doesn't have the ability to go straight across yet, say, for example, to go to Route 78.

1542
02:22:15,920 --> 02:22:26,800
What they're doing instead is going out the back on myster, turning left on Reddington, and then going to 22 up past the PNC Bank in a daycare center and what have

1543
02:22:26,800 --> 02:22:33,960
because the little short jug handle coming out of North Branch Walk isn't as good because it backs up.

1544
02:22:33,960 --> 02:22:38,580
So people know right now they know to use myster as that shortcut.

1545
02:22:39,360 --> 02:22:51,180
We have successfully resolved their issues with DOT and we are now refining the traffic signal design and those plans and my office is part of that.

1546
02:22:51,620 --> 02:23:00,620
So my expectation is what you're seeing in the backdoor use of myster is temporary until we get that full light installed.

1547
02:23:00,620 --> 02:23:08,020
But secondly, I did include North Branch's walk, their traffic in our study, because I had

1548
02:23:08,020 --> 02:23:10,340
all those projections when I did those for the planet.

1549
02:23:10,600 --> 02:23:13,600
You projected the traffic when it's fully built.

1550
02:23:13,620 --> 02:23:14,080
Correct.

1551
02:23:14,240 --> 02:23:15,680
We took that at full build out.

1552
02:23:15,880 --> 02:23:18,380
I believe they have one building left to CO.

1553
02:23:18,660 --> 02:23:20,400
They're very close to being completed.

1554
02:23:21,760 --> 02:23:28,880
So I know they're close, but our accounts, when we did them, we did them in May of this year.

1555
02:23:28,880 --> 02:23:33,300
So only a few months ago, I'll have to defer to Doug.

1556
02:23:33,500 --> 02:23:35,720
I think they were two buildings left, I'm sorry.

1557
02:23:36,360 --> 02:23:41,160
So they're 80% or 85% built out when we did our study.

1558
02:23:41,580 --> 02:23:43,600
I like to fact that it's a temporary issue.

1559
02:23:44,560 --> 02:23:49,320
And that right in right out was, I'll say,

1560
02:23:49,500 --> 02:23:52,740
offered to the planning board as an interim solution

1561
02:23:52,740 --> 02:23:57,000
because we know the DOT process is five, six years.

1562
02:23:57,000 --> 02:23:59,640
and that's how long we've been at it trying to get that light approved.

1563
02:24:00,920 --> 02:24:04,600
So thank you for your comments, but we tried our best to

1564
02:24:04,600 --> 02:24:06,940
crystal ball that exact issue.

1565
02:24:07,820 --> 02:24:10,900
Would I be able to follow up with a question, Mr. Fox.

1566
02:24:12,720 --> 02:24:15,640
Mr. Dean, maybe you could put your planning hat on for a second.

1567
02:24:17,260 --> 02:24:21,320
But did you evaluate or consider or can you consider

1568
02:24:22,400 --> 02:24:26,080
if this property were utilized as manufacturing

1569
02:24:26,080 --> 02:24:32,080
wearing warehousing, because I believe, and perhaps you would know better than me, that it

1570
02:24:32,080 --> 02:24:34,840
was used in that fashion previously.

1571
02:24:36,480 --> 02:24:43,860
I'm well aware that overall traffic would be less, no disguising that.

1572
02:24:44,080 --> 02:24:49,700
The quality or characteristic of that traffic would be different, and having that enough,

1573
02:24:49,700 --> 02:24:55,240
I'll say not well received warehouse applications over the past five years.

1574
02:24:55,240 --> 02:24:59,940
like manufacturing warehouse all comes with concerns about trucks and now.

1575
02:25:00,180 --> 02:25:04,180
Incompatible with a suburban residential community.

1576
02:25:06,380 --> 02:25:11,720
So you're trading off a little less traffic, but a lot more truck traffic.

1577
02:25:12,240 --> 02:25:22,840
So that balance between converting from industrial use to recreational eliminates that heavy truck activity, that is the one benefit.

1578
02:25:22,840 --> 02:25:37,320
MSG and the reason why I actually put your planning head on for a moment, so I assuming that it did have some sort of pre-existing non-conforming use protection with respect to warehousing that's eliminated by virtue of changing the use right that is correct

1579
02:25:37,320 --> 02:25:39,680
So any grandfather protections or are

1580
02:25:40,700 --> 02:25:41,220
extinguished

1581
02:25:41,900 --> 02:25:42,420
yes

1582
02:25:42,420 --> 02:25:46,620
I do want to cover one thing and I know my math is wrong because

1583
02:25:46,620 --> 02:25:56,180
Because Council and I discussed that the plans that were submitted that showed the two industrial

1584
02:25:56,180 --> 02:26:03,780
units to remain, that meant the recreational component comprised 68 percent of the overall

1585
02:26:03,780 --> 02:26:04,220
building.

1586
02:26:04,840 --> 02:26:08,340
I don't know what that number is with unit B now being used.

1587
02:26:08,440 --> 02:26:13,240
It's approximately 8,500, so 85 percent.

1588
02:26:13,240 --> 02:26:16,440
I just, here's, here's what I'm going with it.

1589
02:26:17,400 --> 02:26:19,480
It's about 80%, 80%.

1590
02:26:19,480 --> 02:26:24,640
So if I go back to having 117 parking spaces,

1591
02:26:24,640 --> 02:26:30,680
including the participants for gymnastics and cheer

1592
02:26:30,680 --> 02:26:33,140
as needing a car and driving,

1593
02:26:33,760 --> 02:26:36,980
if you recall, I said that number was 117.

1594
02:26:37,560 --> 02:26:41,420
If we're at 80% occupied at full occupancy,

1595
02:26:41,420 --> 02:26:47,900
we would need 146 spaces for a continued recreational use.

1596
02:26:48,780 --> 02:26:52,620
With the proposal you heard tonight, we're at roughly 170.

1597
02:26:53,760 --> 02:26:59,720
So we have enough parking at 100% recreational use for this building.

1598
02:27:00,320 --> 02:27:04,060
I just didn't go through that math because this has been a little fluid.

1599
02:27:05,640 --> 02:27:10,840
But I hope that gives you, yep, that is with the rear parking lot.

1600
02:27:10,840 --> 02:27:11,520
Correct.

1601
02:27:14,490 --> 02:27:14,890
I know

1602
02:27:19,050 --> 02:27:20,650
what point is.

1603
02:27:20,770 --> 02:27:23,590
I need a parking plan that's probably that's not possible.

1604
02:27:24,050 --> 02:27:24,710
Not that's fair.

1605
02:27:25,110 --> 02:27:28,190
That's part of the application process.

1606
02:27:28,650 --> 02:27:31,690
I'd like to comment on the parking to Mr. Fox's point.

1607
02:27:33,790 --> 02:27:39,630
We're in a bit of a situation here because the town has no ordinance to park these things.

1608
02:27:39,750 --> 02:27:41,330
We have no standard to go on.

1609
02:27:41,430 --> 02:27:42,910
We have no ITE standard.

1610
02:27:43,110 --> 02:27:43,770
I checked IT.

1611
02:27:43,770 --> 02:27:48,510
there's nothing relevant in ITE for this use so we have nothing to go on.

1612
02:27:48,570 --> 02:27:56,570
We need to go on experience across the street to 78,000 square foot building

1613
02:27:56,570 --> 02:28:00,370
about the same amount of total square footage this 83,000 here.

1614
02:28:01,070 --> 02:28:06,490
They have 192 striped parking spaces on that property and they have an overflow

1615
02:28:06,490 --> 02:28:11,170
a break in the gate where you can break into the next building for additional parking

1616
02:28:11,170 --> 02:28:16,190
signage pointing there for those few days. I'm not concerned about the day-to-day operation

1617
02:28:16,190 --> 02:28:22,290
of the site, but I am concerned with those winter Saturdays when you load the place up.

1618
02:28:22,450 --> 02:28:29,890
It happens, you see it. So they absolutely need all this parking. They need the 170 spaces

1619
02:28:29,890 --> 02:28:36,890
from day one, in my opinion, for those Saturdays. I've looked at one other site I surveyed

1620
02:28:36,890 --> 02:28:47,210
winter Saturday, 172 parked cars. So that's the number you're at. If you don't want to

1621
02:28:47,210 --> 02:28:52,210
be micromanaging how the operator schedules this building and we don't want to be doing that.

1622
02:28:57,580 --> 02:29:03,180
My only response to that is they're both recreational. They're very different in terms of

1623
02:29:03,180 --> 02:29:08,960
their density and what they can fit in that building in terms of how much space a

1624
02:29:08,960 --> 02:29:12,980
at tunnel occupies in a pickleball court and soccer field,

1625
02:29:13,120 --> 02:29:16,020
contrasted with branch for exports arena.

1626
02:29:16,940 --> 02:29:19,800
So I fully understand what Jay is saying,

1627
02:29:20,140 --> 02:29:21,060
and I can't disagree.

1628
02:29:21,640 --> 02:29:25,780
I think that's why you heard from the tenants

1629
02:29:26,700 --> 02:29:30,880
with actual numbers as to their use,

1630
02:29:31,080 --> 02:29:33,440
their ability to fit bodies on that.

1631
02:29:34,180 --> 02:29:38,320
I was the draft engineer for branch for exports arena.

1632
02:29:38,320 --> 02:29:44,360
We didn't have the level of detail as to what would go in that building at the time.

1633
02:29:45,360 --> 02:29:51,560
So that's why things like with the soccer pitch, even under a smaller size,

1634
02:29:52,440 --> 02:29:55,040
the most you could have playing is 10.

1635
02:29:55,600 --> 02:29:59,120
Now that is a lot of footprint with fewer bodies.

1636
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:10,180
The laser tag and some video arcades and things where you can have a lot of kids or a lot of people in areas of six square feet.

1637
02:30:10,540 --> 02:30:12,940
That's very different than a soccer pitch.

1638
02:30:13,280 --> 02:30:18,820
So I think we do need to take into consideration the distinction of those facilities and their footprints.

1639
02:30:19,440 --> 02:30:25,680
But I understand that the absolute concern in terms of we don't want to overburden the site on day one.

1640
02:30:25,680 --> 02:30:34,540
Is there any consideration given to having a complementary recreational use close to branch

1641
02:30:34,540 --> 02:30:40,180
for exports complexes? Is that having a traffic standpoint or a parking standpoint?

1642
02:30:41,380 --> 02:30:45,840
That's a tricky one. You know, I look at what's going on in the community, particular

1643
02:30:45,840 --> 02:30:51,580
between Summit Green and North Branch Walk where you have roughly just under a thousand

1644
02:30:51,580 --> 02:30:56,960
new dwelling units coming in as part of your affordable housing obligations and

1645
02:30:56,960 --> 02:31:00,300
commensurate with that, you need facilities for all these new people, whether it's

1646
02:31:00,300 --> 02:31:04,640
recreational, whether it's educational, whether it's retail opportunities in the

1647
02:31:04,640 --> 02:31:04,840
like.

1648
02:31:05,500 --> 02:31:11,180
So here we have the ability to repurpose and antiquate a building and I know I'm

1649
02:31:11,180 --> 02:31:15,840
stepping into planning testimony, so I'll curtail that a little bit, but where you

1650
02:31:15,840 --> 02:31:21,220
have all of that development literally right behind the site and also further

1651
02:31:21,220 --> 02:31:26,340
down on Reddington Road and I forget the names of where all that higher density is, but

1652
02:31:26,340 --> 02:31:30,860
I think Choctaw is one of them and down as you get near the Reddington border.

1653
02:31:31,440 --> 02:31:36,520
You have a lot of people right in this area of the township that would have great access to

1654
02:31:36,520 --> 02:31:37,160
this.

1655
02:31:37,400 --> 02:31:41,740
Might there be new opportunities with pickleball, soccer, and cricket?

1656
02:31:42,640 --> 02:31:48,040
They're largely adult, whereas BSA is, I think, more align towards children.

1657
02:31:48,040 --> 02:31:55,760
So we're serving almost two disparate segments of the population with these different facilities

1658
02:31:55,760 --> 02:32:00,960
and certainly a location that's underserved for adult recreation.

1659
02:32:02,320 --> 02:32:07,160
And so we're capitalizing on the population that's literally already in the backyard so

1660
02:32:07,160 --> 02:32:07,460
to speak.

1661
02:32:08,120 --> 02:32:08,900
One follow-up question.

1662
02:32:09,020 --> 02:32:14,020
Would you have the same testimony same opinion if this was like an ally fitness, YMCA

1663
02:32:15,080 --> 02:32:22,040
I can say, for example, I was trapped consultant for HealthQuest in Flamington and a number of

1664
02:32:22,040 --> 02:32:31,060
YMCA throughout the state. They need 300, 400 parking spaces because they have high density

1665
02:32:31,060 --> 02:32:37,640
fitness classes, treadmills, ellipticals, and the like weight machines. We have childcare, drop off.

1666
02:32:37,700 --> 02:32:43,540
We have swimming pools and fitness and a variety of uses in those types of facilities that

1667
02:32:43,540 --> 02:32:47,760
have high densities per area, per book given building area.

1668
02:32:48,640 --> 02:32:51,460
So this building and this parking is not suited

1669
02:32:51,460 --> 02:32:55,760
for that type of recreational or fitness element,

1670
02:32:56,960 --> 02:32:59,780
but paddle ball, pickle ball, tennis, indoor tennis,

1671
02:32:59,980 --> 02:33:03,480
cricket, things that, again, big footprint, low density,

1672
02:33:04,140 --> 02:33:06,420
that's what allows this to work efficiently

1673
02:33:06,420 --> 02:33:09,100
in this space as I see it.

1674
02:33:09,560 --> 02:33:12,820
So we've tried to be thorough and anticipate, you know,

1675
02:33:12,820 --> 02:33:17,200
all of this head count, and in my opinion, I believe we're there.

1676
02:33:18,900 --> 02:33:24,480
If there's something Mr. Troutman, and again, I respect Jay's opinion that we need to

1677
02:33:24,480 --> 02:33:30,620
polish up. I'm certainly happy to do that. I'm just not sure where to go at this point.

1678
02:33:31,600 --> 02:33:40,280
If I may real quick, I want to interrupt Jay's flow, but is there a term like large scale,

1679
02:33:40,280 --> 02:33:57,810
or fitness center or something that would define the type of use that would be carved out from the indoor recreation use to ensure that the use that may be permitted by this board is

1680
02:33:57,810 --> 02:34:08,810
for the types of indoor recreation use that are other than those higher density uses and higher density parking uses.

1681
02:34:10,380 --> 02:34:12,960
I think the planner, I don't know.

1682
02:34:13,160 --> 02:34:22,640
Under the fitness umbrella, I would say health club use is where we start to need a lot of

1683
02:34:24,060 --> 02:34:26,220
parking on upon a per square.

1684
02:34:26,440 --> 02:34:32,120
So among other things, because to the extent the board may want to further define what an indoor

1685
02:34:32,120 --> 02:34:38,580
recreation use is and is not at a minimum, I take it the applicant would stipulate at a minimum.

1686
02:34:38,580 --> 02:34:44,560
the applicant would stipulate to the indoor recreation uses to

1687
02:34:44,560 --> 02:34:47,880
exclude a health club use.

1688
02:34:48,680 --> 02:34:50,160
I understand what you're asking.

1689
02:34:50,360 --> 02:34:52,900
I don't think I'm the right person to answer the question.

1690
02:34:53,080 --> 02:34:54,100
That's why I'm asking.

1691
02:34:54,400 --> 02:34:55,380
I'm saying it loud.

1692
02:34:56,540 --> 02:34:57,420
There is.

1693
02:35:00,460 --> 02:35:20,380
All right. Well, that's, I'm saying, exclude the high densities, include only the loads. I don't know if we could go through the laundry list, the bid or recreation that our low density uses. It might be easier to clarify what is explicitly excluded.

1694
02:35:20,380 --> 02:35:27,720
But, I'm not sure because the S.A.A. is a big facility. It's not a club. It's a club. It's got a lot of cars.

1695
02:35:29,980 --> 02:35:31,560
That's why I said out of minimum.

1696
02:35:32,060 --> 02:35:37,660
That's why I said out of minimum. Right, that's why I said out of minimum.

1697
02:35:38,620 --> 02:35:45,040
I suspect the board will want to exclude health club type use.

1698
02:35:45,840 --> 02:35:48,020
That could be considered into a recreation use.

1699
02:35:48,020 --> 02:35:54,380
But that's out of minimum. You may wish to exclude other. I would archaive and laser tug

1700
02:36:01,420 --> 02:36:04,140
We can exclude group training.

1701
02:36:13,770 --> 02:36:18,590
Yeah, we should be more specific. So I mean like large large classes

1702
02:36:38,950 --> 02:36:43,930
the rear space is also, so it's really like for both something as no, it's a part of it all,

1703
02:36:44,070 --> 02:36:45,910
because it might be the entrance to the ground.

1704
02:36:46,650 --> 02:36:48,190
We can't see the great thing about it.

1705
02:36:48,570 --> 02:36:48,670
Pardon?

1706
02:36:48,830 --> 02:36:49,870
Did you agree to that?

1707
02:36:50,010 --> 02:36:50,670
Yeah, absolutely.

1708
02:36:51,650 --> 02:36:54,510
You can be any additional users from the small space.

1709
02:36:54,990 --> 02:36:55,590
Well, I've seen that.

1710
02:36:55,790 --> 02:36:59,550
We're going in that direction, but what I'd like to have is the flexibility that you have

1711
02:36:59,550 --> 02:37:00,190
down the road.

1712
02:37:00,610 --> 02:37:05,230
But today's purpose is, if one is the only, this can't change.

1713
02:37:06,070 --> 02:37:07,310
There's no down the road.

1714
02:37:07,310 --> 02:37:09,670
You know, the devarious relief would be

1715
02:37:10,750 --> 02:37:11,750
in perpetuity.

1716
02:37:12,550 --> 02:37:16,750
I mean, we'd have to like come back and modify it or amend it.

1717
02:37:17,350 --> 02:37:21,050
I mean, which I'm not suggesting we want to do, um, you know,

1718
02:37:21,310 --> 02:37:26,630
you, it's almost like we don't have a demonstrated track record to

1719
02:37:42,480 --> 02:37:43,040
right.

1720
02:37:52,250 --> 02:37:58,850
I think the balance of space, but I think in stipulations, I'm assuming, are going to apply

1721
02:37:58,850 --> 02:38:10,640
to the 80 percent that you're proposing to occupy currently in this bifurcated situation

1722
02:38:10,640 --> 02:38:14,900
where the typical situation on a bifurcated deezed variance with site plan or proof was

1723
02:38:14,900 --> 02:38:20,260
Board knows as you come in for the use rights and then you come in for the site plan approval here

1724
02:38:20,260 --> 02:38:24,080
It seems to me as if it's we're coming in for the use and both variants

1725
02:38:25,740 --> 02:38:28,340
And design exceptions and part of

1726
02:38:29,020 --> 02:38:33,180
Maybe 80% of the site plan approval which

1727
02:38:34,860 --> 02:38:36,820
Is not per se prohibited

1728
02:38:37,340 --> 02:38:40,320
In other words you have that dispersion

1729
02:38:41,480 --> 02:38:42,960
That's something different

1730
02:38:42,960 --> 02:38:50,000
I was going I was things I learned in life can means can doesn't necessarily mean

1731
02:38:50,000 --> 02:38:50,960
should.

1732
02:38:51,180 --> 02:38:57,200
What the Mr. Wonder what I think you're describing and what I was going to suggest is that

1733
02:38:57,200 --> 02:39:03,140
you know the if a use variance for granted for the property it can be conditioned to the

1734
02:39:03,140 --> 02:39:10,000
effect of unit A cannot be utilized for anything unless the applicant returns unit unit

1735
02:39:10,000 --> 02:39:34,680
I'm not sure what you're making, I'd have to go look at the chart, but the units that have been identified as not having users so that the board may or may not feel uncomfortable granting a blanket use experience, you are supposed to condition the D1 use variance in a manner that ensures that the site can accommodate the use.

1736
02:39:34,680 --> 02:39:43,280
And at this point, while Mr. Fox perhaps isn't the best application you've ever seen here,

1737
02:39:44,020 --> 02:39:50,920
in terms of the two, the three tenants we heard from and the parking that we do have, the testimony that we have provided.

1738
02:39:52,120 --> 02:39:59,540
I think from a safety standpoint and hopefully our planar will testify to this, a site suitability standpoint, at least for the known.

1739
02:40:00,000 --> 02:40:12,680
Can accommodate it? And there are conditions that can be put on place on an approval where the unknowns, it's not unfettered authority to do whatever we want, we have to return.

1740
02:40:14,980 --> 02:40:16,260
unique.

1741
02:40:21,000 --> 02:40:27,000
If I may, I think, shouldn't we be also defining the known units in some quantity

1742
02:40:27,000 --> 02:40:33,760
of, say, in 10 years, a different tent comes into the soccer arena and decides to modify

1743
02:40:33,760 --> 02:40:43,040
this space with a higher intensity use. We need to also define that or somehow, say, it's

1744
02:40:43,040 --> 02:40:52,280
only for this specific tenant, I would respond by saying that should this be, well, what

1745
02:40:52,280 --> 02:40:56,680
I have, however the board acts on this application, Mr. Warner will prepare a very detailed

1746
02:40:56,680 --> 02:41:03,520
resolution that details the representations that were made so that, whoever you're zoning

1747
02:41:03,520 --> 02:41:10,400
officer is, whether, you know, 10 years down the road, 20 years down the road, for entrepreneurs

1748
02:41:10,400 --> 02:41:17,220
keeps its files better than any municipality, but in all honesty, zoning officer can review

1749
02:41:17,220 --> 02:41:22,960
the board's resolution when they're reviewing a zoning permit application and they can say

1750
02:41:22,960 --> 02:41:28,700
this use looks like based upon the business plan that I received, it looks like it would be aligned

1751
02:41:28,700 --> 02:41:35,260
with the types of tenants that you heard this evening or alternatively if you have somebody that

1752
02:41:35,260 --> 02:41:40,560
That's it, let's say they have the same fields and they're like, we want to have 150 kids

1753
02:41:40,560 --> 02:41:44,760
scram them in there for birthday parties, then that obviously wouldn't work.

1754
02:41:45,020 --> 02:41:50,500
So I think that you have an enforcement and a vetting process through your ordinary zoning

1755
02:41:50,500 --> 02:41:57,780
officer and the ordinary zoning permit process, and that's how it would typically work just

1756
02:41:57,780 --> 02:42:04,540
in a shopping center, you know, it's akin to that, where you have tenant turnover and

1757
02:42:05,120 --> 02:42:12,020
there's a vetting process to make sure that the mere change in tenancy isn't necessarily

1758
02:42:12,020 --> 02:42:16,480
triggering a board return unless it's only officer determines, yes it does.

1759
02:42:19,780 --> 02:42:25,100
There are things that I've seen and had occasion to work on like golf caves, if anyone

1760
02:42:25,100 --> 02:42:33,320
has been to that use. Again, big footprint, screens, video, but it simulates playing at a

1761
02:42:33,320 --> 02:42:40,000
gust of, and it takes up a lot of space, but it doesn't put the bodies. By contrast, as Mr.

1762
02:42:40,100 --> 02:42:47,240
Warner had asked, something like CrossFit would be more likely to be problematic. Now, I will

1763
02:42:47,240 --> 02:42:53,700
say, 10 years ago, I had no idea that anybody here would pick a ball as it's totally new. So,

1764
02:42:53,700 --> 02:42:58,100
So it's hard to guess, but if we roll the clock back 40 years to the 80s,

1765
02:42:58,280 --> 02:43:04,000
Racketball was the big thing, I'm hard press to find a Rackball court anymore, or

1766
02:43:04,000 --> 02:43:04,340
squash.

1767
02:43:04,600 --> 02:43:06,960
You know, fitness, it evolved.

1768
02:43:08,300 --> 02:43:13,040
So I understand what Mr. Warner was driving at, and I think perhaps Mr. Troutman and

1769
02:43:13,040 --> 02:43:19,980
I can consult and come up with a list of things that would not work in the space to give

1770
02:43:19,980 --> 02:43:27,460
zoning officer, clarity, but things that are new and innovative, rock climbing is another

1771
02:43:27,460 --> 02:43:32,340
sort of recreational use that's become popular, I don't know the work in the building with

1772
02:43:32,340 --> 02:43:37,100
the ceiling heights, but those are the kinds of things that are a little hard to crystal ball

1773
02:43:37,100 --> 02:43:49,960
in this process, but I think they fit into the category of we're okay with that, we just don't want

1774
02:43:50,480 --> 02:43:56,520
So, if the board is amenable to that, I think we can get creative to give you everyone

1775
02:43:56,520 --> 02:44:01,220
involved a level of comfort of what types of things that would be acceptable in the things

1776
02:44:01,220 --> 02:44:02,000
that aren't.

1777
02:44:11,320 --> 02:44:19,660
So, we can also, with the applicant, just advising you of is that the, on prayer, the cricket

1778
02:44:19,660 --> 02:44:27,140
tenant is willing to take all of unit G so that the board has a known tenant for unit

1779
02:44:27,780 --> 02:44:32,860
And they were going to use it as an entrance.

1780
02:44:34,260 --> 02:44:37,900
So, I don't know, pick a ball court or anything like that.

1781
02:44:38,780 --> 02:44:39,860
So that'll take.

1782
02:44:41,950 --> 02:44:44,550
So they have GD and E.

1783
02:44:45,610 --> 02:44:46,170
That's correct.

1784
02:44:46,970 --> 02:44:49,330
The plan would have to be updated to reflect that.

1785
02:44:53,740 --> 02:44:54,760
So what do we present?

1786
02:44:55,080 --> 02:44:59,340
I don't see if we, I think we need the professionals to align.

1787
02:45:00,780 --> 02:45:07,160
The applicant came back with kind of what the finalized plan is that they're proposing for us to approve.

1788
02:45:07,280 --> 02:45:12,440
Because I think there's been, we're north of 80 percent now. Aren't we occupancy?

1789
02:45:13,120 --> 02:45:17,680
We are. Yes. The find, quorum, quorum, or we know who the occupants are. Right.

1790
02:45:18,380 --> 02:45:26,260
Right. I don't know how big G is, but we're probably getting an 85 to 90 percent, or 87 percent range, I'm guessing.

1791
02:45:28,180 --> 02:45:31,160
So it's only, it's only 2,300 square feet.

1792
02:45:31,460 --> 02:45:37,480
So it's above 80, now, G is only 2,300 square feet.

1793
02:45:37,740 --> 02:45:38,120
Approximately.

1794
02:45:39,060 --> 02:45:44,740
So you're left with A, and half, one of the F's.

1795
02:45:45,440 --> 02:45:46,000
F, what?

1796
02:45:46,660 --> 02:45:49,780
That's sort of guessing, but okay, because I do know how to split F, but okay.

1797
02:45:50,620 --> 02:45:51,080
F, too.

1798
02:45:51,500 --> 02:45:54,340
So you left the A and F, too, and an accessory,

1799
02:45:54,340 --> 02:45:56,360
eight hundred square feet of our call correctly,

1800
02:45:56,440 --> 02:45:58,980
then an outbuilding for life is better.

1801
02:46:00,020 --> 02:46:03,500
So, again, I think unit H, we had testimony earlier

1802
02:46:03,500 --> 02:46:06,880
that it would be a necessary storage feature for all the tenants.

1803
02:46:08,100 --> 02:46:10,680
So, not being utilized for any principal use.

1804
02:46:10,960 --> 02:46:12,520
Not being utilized by participants.

1805
02:46:13,880 --> 02:46:16,800
F2, we have included it.

1806
02:46:16,800 --> 02:46:21,760
It's a basement level, so I can't imagine that it would be a traffic.

1807
02:46:21,760 --> 02:46:28,580
I'm sorry, you see in the rear on the architecturals on sheet A0.2.

1808
02:46:31,140 --> 02:46:34,900
I don't mean to confuse you, and I'm just saying that there's an F2 basement level

1809
02:46:36,140 --> 02:46:40,440
that's included in the overall square footage that can't possibly drive traffic

1810
02:46:40,440 --> 02:46:41,780
for the site.

1811
02:46:41,780 --> 02:46:52,160
I think of this repeat, let's see, the tenets today not totally relevant to the variance being sought.

1812
02:46:52,780 --> 02:46:56,820
It was a certain change to the recreation of these tenets.

1813
02:46:57,000 --> 02:46:58,380
We will change over time.

1814
02:46:58,820 --> 02:47:06,320
The time to make sure that the site stays suitable for what I call recreation.

1815
02:47:14,380 --> 02:47:20,620
to expand on that to leave as little room for interpretation that would fall on to these

1816
02:47:20,620 --> 02:47:25,220
zoning officer shoulders versus saying well is this similar enough to the use that was

1817
02:47:25,220 --> 02:47:30,880
previously there if we can make an exhaustive list of what type of recreation is allowed

1818
02:47:31,480 --> 02:47:37,360
or being proposed here, and anything not on that list is then needs to come back for a variance

1819
02:47:37,360 --> 02:47:42,560
if it should be proposed would be my thinking, but I'm leaving it to our professionals to

1820
02:47:42,560 --> 02:47:43,160
a prime.

1821
02:47:45,280 --> 02:47:53,180
If I may the characterization or the definition of what is and is not included within the

1822
02:47:53,180 --> 02:48:00,000
indoor recreation use that presumably would be approved under this scenario, which is otherwise

1823
02:48:00,000 --> 02:48:04,980
and on permitted use. That is the point where we just say that we have to be

1824
02:48:09,270 --> 02:48:10,610
somewhat careful

1825
02:48:10,610 --> 02:48:16,510
about saying what about when there's a change in different occupants down the road. That's

1826
02:48:16,510 --> 02:48:28,290
always the case. And we don't zone by occupant. We do zone by use. Hence, again, the definition

1827
02:48:28,290 --> 02:48:38,250
of what is and is not going to be permitted is important. But it can't focus too much on who

1828
02:48:38,250 --> 02:48:46,470
may be coming with what down the road. Is it possible to potentially tag that with the parking

1829
02:48:46,470 --> 02:48:54,630
requirement? So now we know X number of parking spaces per square foot. That's not going to

1830
02:48:54,630 --> 02:49:03,530
So this is 80,000, whatever it is, whatever it is, whatever it is, the size of the building, here's the number of parking spots, that's all that's allowed on the property.

1831
02:49:04,150 --> 02:49:12,430
And so if a use comes in, you have to show zoning officer that the parking spaces will not increase beyond what's already permitted.

1832
02:49:12,810 --> 02:49:24,610
I think that's acceptable, something either like that or some way to, you know, control the occupant load of the overall site or each unit in the site.

1833
02:49:24,610 --> 02:49:30,590
to say, you know, all of a sudden it's not, okay, yes, there's 150 people in this, you know,

1834
02:49:31,110 --> 02:49:37,810
unit B. If that's a concern of, you know, parking, but yeah, time to parking also sounds reasonable.

1835
02:49:38,930 --> 02:49:46,090
I've seen situations, I think, exactly what Andrew is describing, where somebody's submitting a zoning

1836
02:49:46,090 --> 02:49:52,130
permit has to demonstrate that they're not that the use is permitted, but that the use aligns

1837
02:49:52,130 --> 02:49:59,270
the parking requirement that's or the provision of parking spaces on the property. So I think

1838
02:50:00,000 --> 02:50:16,780
I could possibly be done, where we would have to demonstrate either through the submission of a, you know, like a garret, Mr. Dean preparing a letter that demonstrates that this use based upon these features would be able to utilize X number of parking spaces, which is provided on the site.

1839
02:50:17,120 --> 02:50:25,940
I've seen that done before, because going back to Mr. Fox's point, you could have two soccer companies utilize the facility entirely differently.

1840
02:50:27,080 --> 02:50:34,520
So, I think that the business plan element, it's not even necessarily adopting to new sports or unknowns.

1841
02:50:34,760 --> 02:50:40,800
It's just that you had testimony this evening about how this particular user is going to utilize their soccer operations.

1842
02:50:41,600 --> 02:50:50,340
So, having some kind of enforcement mechanism or check-in balance system in place that isn't too onerous on the zoning officer, I think that's a good idea.

1843
02:50:52,710 --> 02:50:59,230
That being said, I have no idea how that works with different units on the site and they're

1844
02:50:59,230 --> 02:51:04,810
allocated like all of a sudden are we allocating, hey unit B gets 20 parking spots, unit

1845
02:51:04,810 --> 02:51:12,550
C gets 10 because obviously that comes into consideration if a new unit turns over and now they

1846
02:51:12,550 --> 02:51:15,610
are saying I need 35 parking spaces and they don't exist.

1847
02:51:16,130 --> 02:51:21,050
And the board could require that being included in leases with tenants as a condition of approval.

1848
02:51:22,090 --> 02:51:33,330
That's quite common as well, especially when you're dealing with applications where you have a shell and multiple tenant spaces.

1849
02:51:38,710 --> 02:51:46,390
And assuming you add those additional spots, you have 170, so it seems like that could still be a metric that we work with.

1850
02:51:46,390 --> 02:51:55,250
If I may though, maybe to throw a wrench, but the additional parking in the rear and in

1851
02:51:55,250 --> 02:51:57,290
particular for our engineer and planner,

1852
02:52:01,200 --> 02:52:03,680
the additional parking spaces in the rear, which

1853
02:52:03,680 --> 02:52:16,220
was just presented to us, is that give rise to any zoning, landing, and or engineering

1854
02:52:17,260 --> 02:52:21,220
considerations that the board needs to be aware of.

1855
02:52:22,180 --> 02:52:22,660
Setbacks?

1856
02:52:23,480 --> 02:52:24,120
Set a rear?

1857
02:52:24,820 --> 02:52:25,300
Possibly.

1858
02:52:25,600 --> 02:52:26,020
I don't know.

1859
02:52:27,060 --> 02:52:28,220
So to that point.

1860
02:52:28,560 --> 02:52:32,280
But I don't know that we've vetted that fully because.

1861
02:52:32,660 --> 02:52:33,340
Well, that's what I was saying.

1862
02:52:33,340 --> 02:52:38,900
I think we need to come back with the reorganized plan so that we can look at what we're actually

1863
02:52:38,900 --> 02:52:42,520
approving and that there are professionals about a chance to fully evaluate it.

1864
02:52:42,800 --> 02:52:44,360
Because we're not in a position to vote on tonight.

1865
02:52:45,600 --> 02:52:52,360
I think there needs to be a reasonable meeting of the minds here of, all right, well, what is maximum

1866
02:52:52,360 --> 02:52:54,940
anticipated use, what's a worst case scenario of parking?

1867
02:52:55,720 --> 02:53:00,340
I think I heard some commentary tonight of, oh, well, you know, they're just going to be dropping people off.

1868
02:53:00,940 --> 02:53:06,240
Yeah, what if you're picking up one of your kids at, you know, one of these facilities in your 20 minutes early?

1869
02:53:06,440 --> 02:53:08,300
You're not just going to write in a fire lane.

1870
02:53:08,500 --> 02:53:10,520
Hopefully you'd pull into a spot, sit there, wait.

1871
02:53:10,520 --> 02:53:16,440
So, and if you're done with pickleball or you're going to be talking outside to your friend

1872
02:53:16,440 --> 02:53:22,300
for 15 minutes or 20 minutes outside the back of your cars, that has to be taken in the

1873
02:53:22,300 --> 02:53:28,140
consideration, but at the same time, yes, you're likely not going to have equal number of cars

1874
02:53:28,140 --> 02:53:35,180
for the maximum participants and employees in each unit. So, somehow there's got to be a happy

1875
02:53:36,360 --> 02:53:39,480
medium of, you know, what is that all look like?

1876
02:53:41,060 --> 02:53:44,180
And just a parking ratio to throw out for the applicant.

1877
02:53:45,220 --> 02:53:49,600
If we were to construct the bank's parking,

1878
02:53:49,760 --> 02:53:53,220
you're up in the high 160s.

1879
02:53:53,220 --> 02:53:56,220
You have 83,000 total square feet.

1880
02:53:56,320 --> 02:54:00,320
So if you were to allocate two spaces per 1,000 square feet

1881
02:54:00,320 --> 02:54:07,800
to each tenant, that's 166 total spaces, and it also kind of lines up with the operations.

1882
02:54:07,820 --> 02:54:10,400
Test the money we had for each individual tenant.

1883
02:54:10,480 --> 02:54:14,980
If you look at the soccer space, it's 20 plus 1,000 square feet.

1884
02:54:15,020 --> 02:54:18,240
They need 40 sum spaces, and so forth.

1885
02:54:18,520 --> 02:54:24,540
So that seems to be a good rate and allocation that we're going to go that direction.

1886
02:54:24,540 --> 02:54:26,800
And if I understand correctly,

1887
02:54:28,870 --> 02:54:41,230
perhaps the board would be considering a combination of square footage and the defined, well-defined, permitted use,

1888
02:54:43,430 --> 02:54:47,750
which would also define what is excluded from that particular use.

1889
02:54:49,690 --> 02:54:59,310
So that there's a comfort level at the square footage correlation means something, so it's not going to be laser-ticking.

1890
02:55:02,190 --> 02:55:10,190
First of all, it was, it's based around the hard day of the trip. I don't care what they do right now.

1891
02:55:11,490 --> 02:55:15,210
That it is the site, the economy, the parking of the trip.

1892
02:55:16,050 --> 02:55:24,170
I don't really care about including our ex-food in particular, because everybody's point, we don't know what's been actually popular tomorrow.

1893
02:55:24,170 --> 02:55:29,770
It's heard about the site handling of the truly five times in a time.

1894
02:55:30,150 --> 02:55:30,470
Right.

1895
02:55:30,810 --> 02:55:39,810
I think that was my point though, was that, well, if the parking is, if two spaces per

1896
02:55:39,810 --> 02:55:48,590
thousand square feet in the indoor recreation use ends up including lifetime fitness centers with

1897
02:55:48,590 --> 02:55:52,050
a laser tag component, the board may have a problem.

1898
02:55:52,050 --> 02:56:03,030
So I think it's the combination of the low-density, low-intensity, low-farking used by

1899
02:56:03,030 --> 02:56:08,830
definition along with the two spaces per thousand, but I don't vote, I just, we should

1900
02:56:08,830 --> 02:56:09,690
leave it to you guys.

1901
02:56:15,050 --> 02:56:24,790
I think that combination, but out of the four board professionals I would advise I am the last of the four.

1902
02:56:24,950 --> 02:56:31,530
So listen to on this, but the other three may tell you that the combination may be most prudent.

1903
02:56:34,160 --> 02:56:38,060
So I think we need a motion to carry this to another meeting date,

1904
02:56:38,060 --> 02:56:42,380
to with the revised plans on the review of our professionals?

1905
02:56:58,880 --> 02:57:00,220
I guess it's good, I'm down.

1906
02:57:00,300 --> 02:57:05,400
How much time and what do you need to do if it's a piece of that?

1907
02:57:09,540 --> 02:57:11,720
I mean, I think there's a lot of things going on.

1908
02:57:12,040 --> 02:57:13,760
I'll just get through a mic, Doug.

1909
02:57:19,950 --> 02:57:21,490
I'll take a two more on your record.

1910
02:57:21,890 --> 02:57:23,530
What do you want to go through, or just go through?

1911
02:57:24,150 --> 02:57:28,810
From what I understand in the board's direction is that you really want to see the full package

1912
02:57:28,810 --> 02:57:35,050
as far as the parking. However, I don't know if it was fully discussed on, are we still

1913
02:57:35,050 --> 02:57:41,670
bifurcating this application as it relates to site plan? So, if we're talking, I don't

1914
02:57:41,670 --> 02:57:45,450
think you go the full site plan at this point. Yes, I don't think it makes sense to bifurcate

1915
02:57:45,450 --> 02:57:50,670
the application because part of that was surprising the board this evening with there being

1916
02:57:50,670 --> 02:57:57,350
no industrial component. So, I don't think that's a necessary. So, I think we can come back

1917
02:57:57,350 --> 02:58:01,990
So, I guess it comes down to, you know, formulating a plan to propose uses.

1918
02:58:04,050 --> 02:58:07,730
And the only thing that I won't necessarily be able to come back with to the board

1919
02:58:08,410 --> 02:58:11,470
is we might be standing in front of the board in unit A.

1920
02:58:11,870 --> 02:58:18,810
There might not be a tenant identified, which should be okay in the sense that the whole discussion this evening

1921
02:58:18,810 --> 02:58:21,890
is about the unknowns of future tenants.

1922
02:58:22,390 --> 02:58:25,250
So, that in the sense would be almost like a test run of it,

1923
02:58:25,250 --> 02:58:31,190
but in terms of of the site improvements we spoke about the bank parking so that the board's

1924
02:58:31,190 --> 02:58:35,410
professionals and the boards have the board has adequate time to review it. The ADA

1925
02:58:35,410 --> 02:58:40,910
Dressed the money that we spoke to some of the landscaping and buffering. All of those things

1926
02:58:40,910 --> 02:58:47,410
would be things we'd want to address and my next question would be one is the board's next hearing date.

1927
02:58:47,750 --> 02:58:54,770
Well, I think we need to understand what you mean by being addressed is that as a condition of

1928
02:58:54,770 --> 02:59:00,150
approval or a submitted plan I at the board would see I think that the the

1929
02:59:00,150 --> 02:59:04,170
the landscaping components I think things like that could be more of a condition

1930
02:59:04,170 --> 02:59:10,570
of approval and please correct me if I'm mistaken but safety items, ADA, accessibility,

1931
02:59:11,930 --> 02:59:18,210
the bank parking, well there's that my mind was really as I heard all the testimony

1932
02:59:18,210 --> 02:59:23,190
tonight. We didn't even get into facade signs for each space allocation.

1933
02:59:24,110 --> 02:59:31,450
So there's all those requirements, is there going to be a last man in that doesn't get a sign or is there going to be a plan?

1934
02:59:33,710 --> 02:59:38,950
The ADA issues is going to possibly create grading of parking lots, issues I don't know.

1935
02:59:39,770 --> 02:59:45,670
So there's some details that I think you need to fully develop the site plan to address what you heard tonight.

1936
02:59:45,670 --> 02:59:57,730
We submit that and then go through overview and then schedule the hearing and as if you're never going to make October 6th.

1937
03:00:00,240 --> 03:00:10,140
Craig is shaking his head frantically. The next meeting is that we have available is December

1938
03:00:14,400 --> 03:00:17,460
1st, which

1939
03:00:17,460 --> 03:00:21,400
would mean plans to mission 30 days prior.

1940
03:00:23,460 --> 03:00:27,560
That gives you a month and a half to prepare the plans.

1941
03:00:27,560 --> 03:00:29,980
We do that.

1942
03:00:30,180 --> 03:00:30,220
Okay.

1943
03:00:30,820 --> 03:00:34,200
Suppose that the 30-day requirement, that's, is that a board?

1944
03:00:34,740 --> 03:00:35,500
It's a framework rule.

1945
03:00:37,480 --> 03:00:39,240
30 days or 21 days?

1946
03:00:41,680 --> 03:00:41,720
21?

1947
03:00:45,300 --> 03:00:48,120
And is that, I don't know if the four tools are on mine.

1948
03:00:48,280 --> 03:00:50,340
Is that just 21 regular calendar days?

1949
03:00:51,280 --> 03:00:54,040
Any follow-up hearing is, yes, calendar days.

1950
03:00:54,780 --> 03:01:08,760
And this, I assume, would include any variances end or design waivers required by any change,

1951
03:01:09,320 --> 03:01:16,300
including the bank parking, which is the proposal, to get to the 170 or whatever the number is.

1952
03:01:16,540 --> 03:01:19,380
I assume you're building the parking that was back.

1953
03:01:20,120 --> 03:01:21,500
You're going to get a full cycline.

1954
03:01:21,560 --> 03:01:25,380
It wouldn't be banked parking, it would be constructed parking.

1955
03:01:27,350 --> 03:01:28,830
But we build it up.

1956
03:01:29,010 --> 03:01:30,070
We'll be banked any more.

1957
03:01:30,090 --> 03:01:32,170
I don't think we can.

1958
03:01:32,510 --> 03:01:33,270
Just keep working.

1959
03:01:33,550 --> 03:01:34,230
It wouldn't be banked.

1960
03:01:35,510 --> 03:01:36,930
Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt.

1961
03:01:37,310 --> 03:01:39,410
I don't want to complicate it any more than this.

1962
03:01:40,510 --> 03:01:44,210
The deviations resulting from the additional parking in the rear.

1963
03:01:45,250 --> 03:01:45,770
Yes, of course.

1964
03:01:47,310 --> 03:01:50,470
I'm sure there's lots of new design waivers.

1965
03:01:51,190 --> 03:01:52,410
And the hands was there.

1966
03:01:57,380 --> 03:02:01,120
I would offer that we could meet with you before you get started on the revised plans.

1967
03:02:01,120 --> 03:02:04,100
to make sure we're all focused on what the target is?

1968
03:02:09,100 --> 03:02:13,860
And up, of course, extension of time to act to the extent necessary to get us

1969
03:02:13,860 --> 03:02:17,920
beyond December one, maybe end of December just for current purposes.

1970
03:02:19,180 --> 03:02:20,000
Thank you.

1971
03:02:23,460 --> 03:02:23,480
Okay.

1972
03:02:24,300 --> 03:02:27,260
So we're making emotional carries the December 1st hearing.

1973
03:02:30,060 --> 03:02:31,840
Without further notice.

1974
03:02:43,250 --> 03:02:59,870
So, yes, Mr. Chairman, I believe we're carrying this matter without further notice to December 1 at 730 PM at the same location with a time to act graciously extended to us through the end of the month of December, which I guess is technically through the end of 2026.

1975
03:03:01,210 --> 03:03:10,870
Just one closing remark, first I just want to thank the Board and the Board of Professionals for their flexibility this evening, trying to work with us, so that's very much appreciated.

1976
03:03:11,610 --> 03:03:15,350
As far as the carried out, I'm sure I'm going to speak with my client this evening.

1977
03:03:15,950 --> 03:03:24,770
I don't know if the Board does special meetings and that would require us to have met with the Board's professionals, submitted in advance of the 21 days,

1978
03:03:24,770 --> 03:03:28,950
but I just wanted to put out there that I would imagine speaking with

1979
03:03:28,950 --> 03:03:31,950
the tenants and the applicant that that would be something we would look

1980
03:03:31,950 --> 03:03:37,130
to pursue and I'm just putting that out there so the boards at least aware

1981
03:03:37,130 --> 03:03:40,490
of that possibility that we would look to do that.

1982
03:03:40,630 --> 03:03:45,350
If, in fact, a special meeting date arose before December 1,

1983
03:03:45,610 --> 03:03:47,190
we would be noticed exactly.

1984
03:03:47,490 --> 03:03:47,910
Yes, sir.

1985
03:03:51,630 --> 03:03:52,590
That is all.

1986
03:03:53,630 --> 03:03:54,150
Thank you.

1987
03:03:54,150 --> 03:03:55,130
So,

1988
03:03:57,930 --> 03:04:09,610
motion to carry the application case number of 2026-006 AUV, PFSP for Commerce Park Investors, to December 1st without further notice.

1989
03:04:10,230 --> 03:04:11,110
I'll make the motion.

1990
03:04:11,250 --> 03:04:11,670
Second.

1991
03:04:12,930 --> 03:04:13,610
All in favour?

1992
03:04:13,910 --> 03:04:14,490
Aye.

1993
03:04:16,490 --> 03:04:17,010
Thank you.

1994
03:04:23,060 --> 03:04:23,400
All right.

1995
03:04:23,560 --> 03:04:28,900
We have the minutes from July 7th regular meeting to approve.

1996
03:04:28,900 --> 03:04:34,700
I have a motion to approve the meeting minutes as provided,

1997
03:04:42,090 --> 03:04:43,290
second.

1998
03:04:53,140 --> 03:04:54,280
I'll make a second then.

1999
03:04:54,360 --> 03:04:55,220
All right, thank you, Michael.

2000
03:05:00,000 --> 03:05:16,440
Mr Chairman, it could be all in favor with the Chair with the Board Secretary recognizing that we have one board member who was absent that evening who was here tonight, so that board member would be reflected with an abstention.

2001
03:05:16,740 --> 03:05:17,260
Correct.

2002
03:05:18,940 --> 03:05:19,660
All in favor.

2003
03:05:19,980 --> 03:05:20,680
Aye.

2004
03:05:20,680 --> 03:05:20,820
Aye.

2005
03:05:20,820 --> 03:05:24,780
We have no resolutions to approve.

2006
03:05:26,000 --> 03:05:29,020
We do have approval of claims.

2007
03:05:29,080 --> 03:05:30,620
We have 13 claims.

2008
03:05:31,660 --> 03:05:33,620
So, of $9,000, $5,50.

2009
03:05:35,860 --> 03:05:38,420
Any questions on those claims?

2010
03:05:39,140 --> 03:05:40,660
Or do we have a motion to approve?

2011
03:05:42,360 --> 03:05:43,380
Motion to approve.

2012
03:05:44,040 --> 03:05:44,120
Second.

2013
03:05:45,340 --> 03:05:45,440
Second.

2014
03:05:52,140 --> 03:05:52,900
All in favor?

2015
03:05:53,480 --> 03:05:54,020
Aye.

2016
03:05:55,280 --> 03:05:55,740
Aye.

2017
03:05:55,740 --> 03:06:02,420
open to the public. Seeing any members of the public, the motion closed to the public.

2018
03:06:02,900 --> 03:06:03,920
I'll make the motion.

2019
03:06:05,100 --> 03:06:05,500
All right.

2020
03:06:06,460 --> 03:06:06,760
All right.

2021
03:06:07,460 --> 03:06:08,540
Okay, open our professionals.

2022
03:06:09,960 --> 03:06:10,340
All right.

2023
03:06:11,400 --> 03:06:12,180
It's okay.

2024
03:06:13,300 --> 03:06:17,140
I will attempt to catch you up on our busy schedule for the fall.

2025
03:06:17,660 --> 03:06:20,060
I just want to grab a pen and paper.

2026
03:06:21,920 --> 03:06:22,080
All right.

2027
03:06:22,080 --> 03:06:31,920
So we have on September 16th, we have a resident, which is a quick overhead porch

2028
03:06:32,800 --> 03:06:40,260
encroaching in the front yard, along with Branchburg Medical Room, and that is a recovery

2029
03:06:40,260 --> 03:06:44,540
center, a living recovery center right down here on 202.

2030
03:06:45,360 --> 03:06:52,480
And then on 1922, certain members responded, they're confirming their attendance for a special

2031
03:06:52,480 --> 03:06:57,320
meeting that was formally planning board meeting that is for the training center.

2032
03:06:57,900 --> 03:07:02,780
The training center is part of an industrial building on 22.

2033
03:07:03,440 --> 03:07:09,240
It's just east of Transwestern, the big warehouse that was installed where the driving range

2034
03:07:09,240 --> 03:07:09,940
was.

2035
03:07:09,940 --> 03:07:24,820
They're taking part of that building and they're constructing or fitting out for proposing to fit out for a vocational plumbing HVAC type of business in part of the building.

2036
03:07:24,820 --> 03:07:27,060
The remaining part will be industrial.

2037
03:07:29,420 --> 03:07:38,260
On 10, 6, we have the return of Dr. Sam for the property on

2038
03:07:38,260 --> 03:07:39,440
Cambory Road.

2039
03:07:40,660 --> 03:07:43,860
He's due back with a submittal at 9.15.

2040
03:07:44,240 --> 03:07:46,580
I'm not sure if you will come back with revised plans.

2041
03:07:47,340 --> 03:07:49,780
I'm not a much certain of that case.

2042
03:07:49,780 --> 03:07:57,740
There's also another resident on that night for a fence application, and my trace of returning

2043
03:07:57,740 --> 03:08:00,540
with the Affordable Housing on R$ 28.

2044
03:08:03,040 --> 03:08:10,760
Tent 21, we have, I will not be in attendance on that, but Barry, and Horn will be sitting

2045
03:08:10,760 --> 03:08:18,520
in for me, and there's one residential case and the return to Chin Maya mission, which is that

2046
03:08:18,520 --> 03:08:21,680
already heard them. They got started previously.

2047
03:08:25,280 --> 03:08:30,000
The month of October is no applications,

2048
03:08:30,820 --> 03:08:38,140
I'm sorry, November, because of the election and the league week on November 18th. If

2049
03:08:38,140 --> 03:08:44,160
we get residential applications which there are a couple, I could schedule them when I'm

2050
03:08:44,160 --> 03:08:47,500
not there and have Tom Leach sit in for those

2051
03:08:47,500 --> 03:08:50,520
couple of residential if it's okay with you guys.

2052
03:08:50,640 --> 03:08:52,120
Meaning on November 18.

2053
03:08:54,320 --> 03:08:58,260
And then we just heard tonight that we carried these guys

2054
03:08:58,260 --> 03:08:59,460
on December 1st.

2055
03:08:59,940 --> 03:09:03,520
It's going to be busy and there's more lingering around,

2056
03:09:04,200 --> 03:09:06,560
not certain how they're going to fit in.

2057
03:09:07,000 --> 03:09:09,820
But we're getting a lot of these requests for special meetings.

2058
03:09:10,360 --> 03:09:12,900
And I don't want to burn out the board with.

2059
03:09:13,520 --> 03:09:18,760
Yeah, it's not like we're the planning for it, but I just, yeah, it's Ebb and Flo.

2060
03:09:20,260 --> 03:09:24,580
Yeah, I think I make sense to the ocean. We're on for the 18th month.

2061
03:09:29,310 --> 03:09:37,330
I'll see how we do with these, 3 on 10 6 and 2 on 10 21, which sounds like 10 pounds of potatoes and a 5 pound sack.

2062
03:09:41,640 --> 03:09:47,100
I don't think that on the seams coming back. He told me he told me the other day it was like, I'm not coming to the board again,

2063
03:09:47,100 --> 03:09:52,200
I'm just going to get stuck again, something, he said he's going to rebuild the

2064
03:09:52,200 --> 03:09:55,900
positive away, we don't get a good response, it's middle of it.

2065
03:10:00,530 --> 03:10:03,130
For us to attend.

2066
03:10:15,400 --> 03:10:20,640
At one is a time to act, to expire. When does the time to act expire?

2067
03:10:22,540 --> 03:10:25,740
He gave an extension, or it's okay.

2068
03:10:35,650 --> 03:10:36,210
I

2069
03:10:39,480 --> 03:10:43,540
just have one thing good to see everybody again, hope to see again.

2070
03:10:43,540 --> 03:10:44,100
So.

2071
03:10:45,080 --> 03:10:46,420
How can I do that?

2072
03:10:46,640 --> 03:10:47,020
Well.

2073
03:10:51,280 --> 03:10:53,360
Just for the fun ones.

2074
03:10:54,000 --> 03:10:56,220
I'll make a motion to close to the professionals.

2075
03:10:57,200 --> 03:10:59,360
Very good. Second.

2076
03:11:00,500 --> 03:11:01,140
One favor.

2077
03:11:01,840 --> 03:11:02,780
All right.

2078
03:11:05,070 --> 03:11:06,470
Open to the board.

2079
03:11:08,920 --> 03:11:09,220
Good.

2080
03:11:10,220 --> 03:11:12,980
Thanks for hanging with us.

2081
03:11:13,000 --> 03:11:14,020
Second motion with you.

2082
03:11:14,580 --> 03:11:16,040
Motion to close to the board.

2083
03:11:16,040 --> 03:11:17,620
motion to close.

2084
03:11:17,900 --> 03:11:18,940
All favor.

2085
03:11:19,680 --> 03:11:19,860
Aye.

2086
03:11:20,720 --> 03:11:22,580
Art made a motion to adjourn the meeting.

2087
03:11:23,160 --> 03:11:23,680
We'll have a second.

2088
03:11:24,500 --> 03:11:25,340
Very good.

2089
03:11:25,600 --> 03:11:26,040
All in favor.

2090
03:11:26,620 --> 03:11:26,880
Aye.

2091
03:11:27,280 --> 03:11:28,060
Thank you, good night.