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Recording in progress. You're all set,
Jeff. Okay. 6:45. Call a meeting to

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order. First order of business is to
adopt the agenda.

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» I'll make that motion.
>> Motion and a second to adopt the agenda.

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All in favor say I. I. I.
>> Uh item two, executive session. So, we

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will need a motion to go into executive
session. So, moved.

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Second.
>> So seconded motion and a second to go

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into executive session for 1 VSA 313
appointment of a public officer to

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include applicant and um or for the
budget committee and the slick board. So

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time to go into executive session. All
in favor say I.

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» I.
>> Thank you.

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Maybe.
>> Okay. We It is 6:58

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and we are coming out of executive
session. No action was taken within

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executive session.
>> Mr. Chairman, we get a motion to end the

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executive session. It's a change. I'll
make that motion to exe end executive

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session. Okay.
>> Motion in a second to end executive

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session. I'm out of I'm not as versed as
I was before when I was bored all the

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time. Right. Um all in favor of coming
out of executive session say I.

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» I.
>> I. Okay. Item three is select board

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remarks. That's where I always say we're
small group in the room. We want to play

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nice and be respectful to each other's
uh wishes. Even though we may not always

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agree with everything that is said, but
we still are a nice small community that

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likes to be friendly and peaceful. So
that is my select board remark. Item

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four.
>> I wanted to say something cool about at

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our last meeting I spoke about the cops
being on duty all the time the same

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time. I've noticed over the weekend they
worked over the weekend and I've had

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people tell me they've seen them on
different hours. So I just wanted to say

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much appreciated.

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Good.
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item four, possible consent for the
minutes and the warrant.

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Pleasure.
>> Uh, I'll move that we add item well the

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minutes and the warrant to a consent
agenda, please.

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» We have a second for
the consent for

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» second.
>> Second. Okay. All in favor of doing it

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as a consent say I. I. I. Opposed. No
one. So,

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questions on any of the
warrants or we're all good.

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» One question.
>> Second page.

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Uh,
like halfway down.

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» I thought that might be worth a
question. I circled it. So,

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[clears throat]
right. So, the town has a 60-in uh

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gasoline powered zeroturn mower, which
apparently is about 12 years old, and

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it's having some starter problems. It's
been in the shop a few times, and it's

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being repaired. Um, a front porch forum
post came up to uh someone in Brandon

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had bought an EGO 42in zeroturn mower.
and Ego is the brand that uh we use in

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the tool ships that the energy committee
runs and the town has had a couple of

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hand tools with that. So, we checked out
the price new um and the one that was

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posted had only 28 hours of use on it.
And the highway division chief and the

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highway crew member who does all of the
mowing went up and checked it out with

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the Brandon person who was selling it
and they decided they would like to try

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it. Um, the mowing person believes it
will be more suitable for the small

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parks downtown and the cemetery
especially, and he was looking forward.

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He says the 60-in mower is actually a
little bit too big to negotiate those

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areas. The concept is not that this will
be able to replace the 60-in mower, um,

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but that we will, following the green
fleet policy, we'll try to get the best,

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um, tool for the job, so to speak. and
if it's an electric one, we'll try an

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electric one. So, they've they've taken
it. Um, the lady who was selling it

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allowed them to take delivery of it and
try it out, and they've used it

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successfully, so we want to go ahead
with the purchase. Um, but at some

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point, we're either going to need to
replace the 60-in gasoline mower to do

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like big jobs like Estherbrook and the
Nes playing fields and stuff like that

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that this will not be suitable for. or
um we might need to put some more money

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into the 60-in mower that we have, which
again is 12 years old. So, that's the

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story with that.

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» Any other questions on the
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» The uh retail price on it brand new was
like $5,300. So, it's considerable

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savings to the town to buy it slightly
used.

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Oh,
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Uh Claire a stone Brandon resident uh
batteries for this

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» came with batteries. Yeah.
>> How many does it have?

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» Has four and have two more.
>> And um do we know how many hours they

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get?
>> Enough to do a shift of mowing.

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» Okay. A shift. Eight hour shift. Okay.
Sometimes that's all you do is charge.

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» Yeah. I mean, he he did a little
studying about the the rated range on it

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is 2 acres of mowing on one charge and
the Central Park, Kennedy Park, Green

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Park, Crescent Park, and the cemetery
together would not be two acres and he

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would not generally be mowing them all
in the same day anyway.

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» Okay.
>> But it see it seems to be suitable. I

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would not have encouraged them to
consider it if there was concern that it

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was not going to be suitable for what
they want to use it for.

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» And let me applaud you for for this path
of um getting a deal. It's a wonderful

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thing.
>> Yes, I guess it's good savings. Thank

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you.
>> Okay. Motion in a second. And we've had

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discussion. All in favor of the minutes
and the warrant say I

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» I opposed. No one.
Item five, consider appointment to the

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advisory budget committee.
>> Board member like to make a motion.

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» I will move that we appoint Clara Stone
to the FY28 budget advisory committee.

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Second motion and a second. Any
discussion?

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None. We just had it in the closet.
All in favor of uh voting for clear uh

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to be on the budget advisory committee,
please say I. I post. No one.

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Welcome.
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item six, set the schedule for budget
workshops. Seth, you want to

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» Sure. So, there's a memo in the packet
with a suggestion. You can go with it.

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You can do something different entirely.
This is sort of what happened last year.

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This is approximately the schedule we
kept last year. So, uh, my suggestion

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would be to kick it off on Tuesday,
September 22nd with the review of the

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closed budget, the status of the open
budget, the big goals for the budget

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that we're about to write, and then move
into a series of meetings with the

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department heads, and then consider the
capital plans, and then a first draft,

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second draft, and finalize in early
December. All of those dates are on the

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off weeks of select board meetings and
you could decide whether you want the

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Mondays or the Tuesdays. Except the
first week I I could not make the

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Monday.
>> Was there any other thought towards

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potential Tuesdays? Just kind of shaking
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» if you want it's Yeah, it's up to the
board and the budget committee's

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availability and what you think. Yeah,
maybe the public might like to have a

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chance here and there for it to be not
to Monday. I don't know.

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I always like the Mondays because it was
in my head that Monday is select day or

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select person day and so I was always
looking for whatever I had to do on

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Mondays. So I enjoyed Mondays but I
don't care. I'm available any of those

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dates with the exception of meeting
number three. I'm going to be out of

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state
but

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you can go on without me.
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election day. That might be tricky. But
other than that,

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» oh that's a very good point.
A bunch of you will be busy counting

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votes and stuff. Probably don't want to
do number four on Tuesday. Probably want

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that on the Monday.

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» I like the Mondays.
>> Huh?

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» I kind of like the Mondays if everybody
else does. I'm open to do a couple of

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them on Tuesday. Just

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not too pressed one way or the other.
Well, again, we're at the mercy of

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somebody making a motion to what you
would like to do.

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I will move uh to formalize the schedule
for the budget workshop series starting

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with Tuesday, September 22nd, Monday,
October 5th, Monday, October 19th,

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Monday, November 2nd, Monday, November
16th, Monday, November 30th, and Monday,

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December 7th.
And we can always add more if we need to

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get down to finalizing something at a
later date.

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» And I might just say if if any members
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should do a couple more on Tuesday, let
us know. We can check them. Okay.

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» Could you repeat those dates again?
>> Yes. Tuesday the 22nd of September.

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Monday October 5th. Monday the 19th of
October. Monday November 2nd, Monday

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November 16th. Monday November 30th. And
Monday December 7th.

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Yes. As of this motion has not been
second.

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» We have a motion. We have a second. We
have a motion and a second. Any further

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discussion?
>> We're loving that one. All in favor say

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I.
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» I.
Put it on the website.

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Ah, town managers report.
>> Thank you, Mr. Chair, members of the

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public who are here and by Zoom. Um,
from my publish report, just a couple of

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highlights and two updates. One
highlight is that yes, um, the paving

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started and I think if you've driven
McConnell Road, you'll see they did a

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good job on the south end of McConnell
Road. They had some equipment trouble

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and they do anticipate starting up again
tomorrow.

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The second update is also in public
works. Um, I gave you some info about

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road salt. I have been able to firm up
the road salt, so that's good. So, we're

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on board for 1,000 tons with Cargill.
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which is very close to what we we
budgeted. We budgeted essentially for

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$105. So, we're going to be about $1,500
short if we get the full loads.

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Um Ralph indicated that yes, uh some
weekend patrol hours were able to be uh

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done in the schedule with the existing
police officers this weekend and we

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appreciate that. And then I always do
highlight the local option tax receipt.

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And I think that for consistency I need
to highlight that uh we've received our

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local option tax for the April, May,
June quarter, $86,845.

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And in fairness or transparency, um this
is a quarter that did not exceed the

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same quarter of the previous year. So
last year we got $1,158

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more than we got this year. That's
happened on occasion since we started

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the tax 10 years ago, but it's not the
general trend. The general trend is that

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every year the same quarter is a little
bit better than the quarter of the

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previous year. That might be overall
economic pressures going on in the

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world. And the last thing uh to update
is that the 1% fund figure that's given

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there at $571,63
should be augmented by that uh receipt

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of 86,845.
So the 1% fund really is 658448.

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That's my updated
report. And then you have the two pages

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with last year's budget still subject to
change for another few days, another

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week, I guess. This year's budget to
date. And then there's a project tracker

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with um the completed projects dropped
off. And so you see it's a much shorter

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list than it has been recently.
That's all I have.

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Thank you very much, Miss Hopkins.
Questions for Mr. Hopkins from the

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board.
Just make a quick comment. I I very

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pleased going over the um FY26 budget
that we just finished, seeing as though

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we're talking about budgeting going
forward. Um that we were pretty darn

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close to spot on with things. We uh
um took in 104% of what our we expected

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our revenue. So, we beat our revenue by
um a few hundred,000, which is nice. And

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our expenses, we came in about as close
to perfect as you could be at 99.8%

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of what was expected to be spent. So,
means that the budget process worked

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pretty good. At this moment, there still
could be some additional um things

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coming in until the end of August, but
at this point, we're looking at we had a

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small surplus of around 150,000. So,
that's pretty darn good budgeting um

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that was that was done and pretty good
managing to stay within that.

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» Practically perfect in every way, but
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[laughter]
sorry. questions for the town manager on

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his report.
>> I've got a I've got a question. Go for

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it. Uh the 159,000 that will probably
transfer to the reserve fund, right?

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» That's where it goes unless the select
board directs it somewhere else.

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» Now, the reserve,
>> but that's not a guarantee for another

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seven days,
>> but it'll be in the ball.

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» Yes, we we would think. Yep.
>> And the reserve fund's in pretty good

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shape, right?
>> Reserve fund was at seven and a quarter.

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Yep. 725.
Brian has talked about playing paying

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off the police station several times.
Would that be enough to pay off the

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police station?
>> Police station like 135 something. I

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» think we owe like 135 on it.
>> Oh, you know where you know the better

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figure. No, it's the better figures in
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The police station

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was 177500, but then we had two more
payments. So, it should be like 130,000.

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Yeah.
>> I just I just think we ought to start

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thinking about that.
>> What What's the

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» It's a good idea. The interest rate is
super low on the police station.

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That's what I need the book for is the
interest rate. It was taken when it was

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like a very favorable
time to borrow.

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» What are your highest loan?
>> The highest one is going to be the one

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that we take for the highway bond. If
the voters approve that, that's going to

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be a lot higher than

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» I struggling to find it. Hold on.
>> Like Ralph, I I had the same

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conversation with Seth because if we're
going to be doing the highway barn, it'

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be good to be rid of another payment,
but

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» and the payment
>> if we have time, we can make this

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decision. So, the police station is
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The one that we're paying off for
segment 6 is 4.67%.

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The overflow cover is 3.3%.
So, they're all very low. The number

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that was quoted us to borrow today, if
we borrowed for the highway barn, would

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be 4.28, I believe.
I think we got to think about that

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because that would that would take that
bill right away.

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» Yeah, it would save you know 20 to
$24,000 a year in the general fund.

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» Three quarters of a percent.
>> Yeah.

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» Yeah.
>> It's definitely feasible.

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» Yes.
Uh Brent Buler, how does the like

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$300,000 that was used to buy the truck
from the police budget get posted at the

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end of the year? So we did
>> rather than against the police.

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» I asked Sue to transfer it and she
agreed it should be transferred and she

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transferred it. So if you look in the
packet on the FY26 budget, there's a top

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line on the expense side that just says
transfer out and it's not assigned to

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any department.
>> Okay? So that's where the highway truck

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is going out of the general fund now,
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police, which it's more transparent and
accurate to show that police spending is

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actually 649, which was only 68% of its
total budget.

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» Thank you.
>> Yeah, appreciate that.

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» Yeah, I'm glad Sue agreed that that
could happen.

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» Any last questions for Mr. Hopkins on
his report.

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» Yep.

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Lar Brandon, I just want to say thank
you on the record for um you all paying

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attention, hearing people's needs in the
town and doing such a great job with the

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budget and um trying new angles and
being open to hearing people talk about

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ideas because this is a wonderful thing
as a [clears throat] person in talented

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Heaper that you're able to do your
budget, be on target, have some savings,

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have a pot of money that you can pay off
bills with. That's just delightful. And

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not everybody's in that place. So, thank
you all for that. I know it takes a lot

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of work and a lot of stress. And thank
you. Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate

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it.

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Um, is there anything you want to touch
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just information to us all. And
>> so, yeah, it's information. Um, if

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there's any questions about specific
projects, the Union Street sidewalk, um,

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the state has authorized engaging the
engineers to assist with moving that

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further along. Um, the McConnell Road
culvert, I'll go quickly through all of

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it, I guess. um we we either need to
start from scratch or we need to get um

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design uh engineering done on it and
that's difficult based on the

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the initial engineering firm is I guess
not interested in doing the design

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engineering. Um Bill has someone coming
in to quote the actual resurfacing of

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the multi-use court like with you know
kind of traditional tennis court

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surfacing. Um, and that can be taken
care of with the ARPA that was set aside

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and with some penny Esther Brookbrook
estate money that was designated for

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Estherbrook Ark, the North Street
Bridge. Um, you did the scoping study.

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It's ready and all we have to do now is
get in the right spot, in the right line

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for some construction money to build the
replacement bridge. There's no active uh

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FEMA buyouts right at this moment. Um
and there may that may be slowing down

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or it or it may come back. Energy
navigators are still working. The nifty

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thrifty uh gift uh the police department
solar is is working and uh making

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electricity all the time. The Conan
Square solar is not yet hooked up, but

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it's it's basically getting ready to be
hooked up. The new highway department um

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is an agenda item later.
the hazard mitigation plan. I would just

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ask for a little bit of patience. Jackie
uh believes that she has found a route

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to a solution here. Uh and then there's
a a recommendation that I have in here

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for a project you don't know about,
which is sidewalk repair on West

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Seminary Street. As many of you know,
there are a number of folks who live up

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um on West Seminary Street who use
mobility devices and power scooters and

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things like that. And um a lot of them
live at the Nesabe House which is on the

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west side of West Seminary. They then
can get on the sidewalk but the sidewalk

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on the west side ends right kind of
abruptly before it connects even to this

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building. So the um concept would be to
get some crosswalks laid out from west

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side of West Seminary to the east side.
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the sidewalk in front of the old Brandon
High School. If you've walked that

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stretch, that is a it's a poor sidewalk.
It's um it it's really just kind of like

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a hump of asphalt. So that's a
suggestion. It would be something you

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could look to use 1% money for or fund
balance money for that kind of thing.

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Won't be a large project. Certainly
would not be a project I would say would

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be warranting a grant application from
the state because that will make it, you

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know, very complex. And the last line
is, you know, going to be a

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disappointment, but um we owe a few
parking spots. The town owes a few

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parking spots over by the Baptist church
which were pledged in writing uh during

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segment six. And it's a very challenging
site. There's a fire hydrant, there's a

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telephone pole with an anchor wire,
there's sidewalks and storm drains and

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all kinds of stuff that it's it's got to
be done and we don't yet have a feasible

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workable design. And I just threw in the
engineers estimate which is a little bit

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old and which is a little bit more
involved than I think the solutions that

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we're trying to get toward

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» questions on this report.

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Oh, go ahead. Please. Yeah.
Brett Buer again. I I walk Union Street

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almost every day and when I talk to the
folks some of the folks there, they have

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no idea about the sidewalk project. So
maybe something needs to go out to

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inform everybody on the on the street.
Well, I don't know. Maybe they don't

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need easements or something, but
>> Well, they definitely need easements.

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And so the engineer is going to help
facilitate a group meeting as well to

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inform them about where we're at.
>> Okay. because I I was kind of surprised

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how often we talk about it and yet
nobody on the street really knew about

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what was going on.

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» Bill, did you have a community
development report?

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» I do have a verbal one. Uh yeah, I
didn't submit a printed report. U so

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just two items on there. One, uh around
recreation, we have a new functional

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fitness class that's going to be taught
downstairs here uh on Tuesdays,

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Thursdays. Tuesdays, Thursdays, and
Fridays. This is for folks that might be

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wanting to work on mobility, uh,
balance. Um, it's a class that tends to

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be popular with the average brain
resident. Um, you know, working on

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balance. Um, then they do these classes
up at East View and they're insanely

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popular. So, we decided to operate here
downstairs offices town hall. Um, and we

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also have uh an update.
[gasps and sighs]

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I went with folks from the chambered
economic development of the Rutland

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region as well as uh the community
health centers of the Rutland region and

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they are the folks that operate uh
Brandon Medical Center on Steinberg Road

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and they're in the process of securing
funding to do a large expansion um in in

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Brandon to offer more services.

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I guess it's G. Yes, I mean yeah sorry.
Yes, Gro Street. Yes, it will still be

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access from Gro Street, but they plan on
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As a part of that, they've uh applied
for a Northern Border Regional

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Commission's catalyst program uh
pre-application grant, and they asked

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the town to step in to make their uh
application look a little more um

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community oriented. Um, as a part of
that, uh, if they were awarded the

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grant, we would get some funding with no
match to provide some more amenities at

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Esesterbrook and trying to connect
Estherbrook to the Park Village

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residents. There's 4 to 500 people up
there that would have easier access to

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Estherbrook as well as some possible
equipment improvements at Esesterbrook

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if they get this uh, grant.
That's my report.

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» Questions for Mr. Moore from the board?
questions for Mr. Moore from the public.

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Mr. Moore is off the hook.
Um, thank you. Um, item eight,

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uh, consider redesign phase proposal for
replacement of the highway facility.

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Uh, may include appropriation of $10,000
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Mr. Hopkins.
Thank you, Mr. Vice Chair. So, uh, in

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the packet you have the letter from Co
and Co. and an outline of what they

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could do. Um, this constitutes a
pre-esign phase, right? They came down,

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um, without any cost to the town. They
came down and did look at the site. Uh I

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was there, Bill was there, Ralph was
there, uh Jeremy Dorta, our highway

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chief was there, and we kind of explored
different aspects of the site as it

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exists now and challenges and just kind
of a little bit of a general idea of

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what the town was looking for in terms
of putting in some safe and um energy

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efficient and weathertight um working
conditions for our highway department.

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So um there the recommendation is laid
out here with first some meetings um

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with folks in Brandon again like a more
formal set of meetings with the highway

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department. A more formal meeting with
the whole select board and the public

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about what priorities are and what
funding might be available. Some

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alternatives and then some code and
permitting um considerations. And then

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um the construction cost estimate that
we could use to go to the voters and ask

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the voters if they would consider
issuing a bond. Um we would go at town

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meeting and ask if they would consider
issuing a bond um to build a new highway

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department. So this is one proposal.
It's not the only way to do things, but

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these folks had been successful in
building, I would say, um, similarly

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scaled highway department buildings in
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Sharon. And we kind of were
basically you get a little bit of cost

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efficiency with them not reinventing the
wheel, so to speak, in terms of like a

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basic design. I wouldn't say any of them
were fancy fancy. Um, the plans that

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they brought down that were more
detailed were from Sheffield, which was

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last year. And, you know, they did have
some stuff that we might or might not

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think was necessary in Brandon. They had
a a radiant floor heating system, which

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our highway department really would like
to have, but they also had a second

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boiler with blowing, you know, heat
exchanger kind of heat. So there was two

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heating systems in the same garage to de
ice trucks, you know, and things like

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that. I also asked them as part of their
scope of work. I gave them the site plan

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that we have for what we've got up there
now, which has the wetlands delineation

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that Bill got from the state. Um,
basically shows what's wetland we have

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to stay out of, what's buffer zone we
have to stay out of, and what's

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available to work with. Um and then I
also asked them to consider the salt

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shed because our salt shed is not
sufficient um in size or really in

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condition at this point to think about
working around it. So that's going to be

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something that they're going to also
take into consideration.

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So if um this is one way to get the
project off the ground and if you want

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to get the project off the ground with
them um I think you'll find them

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responsive to you know what we had for
concerns and the the estimate or the

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quote is for $10,000 which you could do
from the local option tax or the fund

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balance. My recommendation is always to
spend it from the most restrictive fund

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that is eligible, which would be the
local option tax, because this would

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clearly be a capital project. This would
be the down payment on a capital

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project, and that would leave you more
flexibility in the fund balance of the

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general fund.

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» Questions from board? Yeah.

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Is this is is this like a normal cost to
do something like this? Is this a Does

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anybody have any experience? I have no
clue on if this is a

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» I mean we um you know we scoped out the
forestale path at like what did that

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cost?
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was not like buildable construction
design, right? So, this is kind of I

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think a a pretty [gasps]
pretty standard um or I think this is

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actually a good value again because
they've got this little mini This is not

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all they do is build highway barns. They
build lots of things and they just

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happen to have built four highway
departments in Vermont in the last seven

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or eight years. Um I think we're getting
a little bit of cost efficiency from

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that. I understand it's, you know,
$10,000. It's a big number. It is a big

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number, but we're not going to be able
to

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build this the way that Well, I mean,
you can you can consider it, right? I

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mean, we can consider building this kind
of like really on on a shoestring just

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on our own, but we're going to run into
some pretty serious

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um environmental concerns up there
because of what we have there now and

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the wet ones that adjoin so closely. So,
I think we've got to do this in a very

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professional way. And to me, spending
this money, investing this money to make

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sure that we're kind of like making the
first decisions in the right direction,

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um, would be money well spent. Cuz if we
start making the first decisions and

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we're going a little bit offkilter, by
the time we get to the other end, we'll

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be far off of, you know, what would be
acceptable in in modern construction

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kind of terms.

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Um, can you just touch on when we're
when we're planning to be ready and go

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to bond vote? So, so their their time
frame is um on the

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third page and their schedule is about a
an 8week process, right? So, it would be

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taking all of September and October
really. So, which is why we can't vote

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this in November at the election. We
won't be ready. So then after September

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and October when they're done, they'll
deliver. They have that list of

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deliverables. They'll deliver to you.
Here's a recommendation and an alternate

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uh kind of situation. And then we can
spend time with them in December, even

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September, Octo November and December.
You can spend some time like, well,

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let's let's not have that secondary
heating system or let's make the salt

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shed this big and not that big or
whatever we decide to do to kind of get

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the construction number to where we want
it to be. And that would be November,

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December. Get ready for publication in
January, have some public have a public

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hearing before town meeting and vote it
at town meeting in March.

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That's the
>> not not at town meeting that that

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election day
>> papers on paper Australian ballot all

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the voters
>> let's say yes

411
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:32,559
» but in conjunction with that election in
March

412
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:37,120
you can see the last page of the little
uh section in the packet is not from

413
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:42,640
them it's from the bond bank and that's
the anticipated payment if it were to

414
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:46,080
cost $3 million which I think is
possible

415
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:51,360
uh depending on what they come up with
as an order. They tell me as an order of

416
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:56,159
magnitude, this is not um is not far off
what what their ballpark guess would be.

417
00:33:54,000 --> 00:34:01,760
So $3 million if you look in that
furthest right table that says annual

418
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:05,200
debt service schedule. Um the first year
is high and then it goes down from

419
00:34:03,519 --> 00:34:10,399
there. But essentially you're paying
$150,000 of principal every year and

420
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:17,280
then you're paying interest in in
descending amounts from $125,000 down to

421
00:34:13,599 --> 00:34:22,399
$3,000 per year. What essentially it
would mean to do this without raising

422
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:28,480
taxes is you'd need to take all the
money that is in the town's budget now

423
00:34:25,119 --> 00:34:33,040
to pay the segment six bond and use all
of that and then you'd need an equal

424
00:34:31,359 --> 00:34:37,280
amount and for the first few years a
slightly greater amount than that to

425
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:41,119
come out of the 1% money to pay the
total bond payment without raising

426
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:44,839
taxes.
So basically 50/50.

427
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:59,280
It's a big um commitment of the 1% money
on a long basis, a 20-year loan. Um but

428
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:03,680
it's it's a way to do it without raising
taxes.

429
00:35:01,839 --> 00:35:10,599
And that's if it's $3 million. Maybe it
will be less. I I would love it to be

430
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:10,599
less. I don't know that it less.

431
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:22,200
You're not committing to any of that.
You know, we're just that's just for

432
00:35:17,359 --> 00:35:22,200
your information and pondering

433
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:27,000
» discussion from the board.

434
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:38,160
» I can tell you I met with Seth today. I
looked at I was a proponent for the hoop

435
00:35:35,599 --> 00:35:44,400
building that we put up there a few
years ago. Um, I used to get a a farm

436
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:48,400
tech magazine pretty regularly about
farm type buildings and the hoop

437
00:35:45,839 --> 00:35:54,480
building and I see that they're used in
highway departments all over the place.

438
00:35:50,880 --> 00:36:03,119
Um, and that building has worked out
really well for us at a not a big amount

439
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:09,280
of money. Um, and so I went back into my
repertoire of farm type stuff and

440
00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:15,280
there's a company called Clear Span and
they make either hoop or metal buildings

441
00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:18,079
that can be insulated in whatever. So I
passed that information on to Seth just

442
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:25,520
saying, you know, we should look at
every option if we have from now until

443
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:31,119
December to make a final decision. And I
don't know if Clear Span would be better

444
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:37,359
or worse or cheaper or more expensive,
but I I I did go through their web page

445
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:43,599
and they had buildings in there that are
being used for fire departments and um

446
00:36:41,119 --> 00:36:49,680
town highway garages, etc. So, it's just
a matter of now maybe reaching out to

447
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:53,599
them or or whatever. So, I mean, I like
to

448
00:36:51,359 --> 00:36:57,200
» um you gave me the information enough to
get, you know, get a quote from them or

449
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,960
get an estimate from them or get their
interest. Yeah.

450
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:03,440
» Yeah.
>> I will do that.

451
00:37:00,079 --> 00:37:07,760
» Um Yeah. Yeah, cuz I I have to say when
when we started discussing this a year

452
00:37:06,079 --> 00:37:12,880
and a half ago, it was hoped that, you
know, oh, we're just going to pack cash

453
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:16,800
in segment six bond and have another
bond to be of the equal amount. And when

454
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:22,720
we're looking at three million bucks,
it's likely. So, um, you know, it's just

455
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:28,320
a matter of trying to see what numbers
come in and they may come in lower than

456
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:33,280
that. So, but clearly our building is in
pretty bad shape. I mean, I guess as a

457
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:38,160
very first step, like the select board
kind of like being at consensus that

458
00:37:35,599 --> 00:37:42,880
yes, you want to build a new building up
there is probably a great kind of

459
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:48,079
resolutionish kind of finding. Like I
don't if you're all on board with that,

460
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:52,160
that's that's enough to start from. If
if there's contrary opinions about that,

461
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:56,480
we probably should air those out before
we start spending money.

462
00:37:55,280 --> 00:38:01,760
» I'm certainly in favor of a new
building. I mean, the building there is

463
00:37:59,359 --> 00:38:06,480
It was old 20 years ago. You know, it's
uh uh actively leaking. It's not big

464
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:09,680
enough for the trucks.
It's just not doing a job. And as we've

465
00:38:08,720 --> 00:38:14,000
talked about, there's not really
anywhere else on that site that makes

466
00:38:12,240 --> 00:38:17,000
any sense for it until you start hitting
wetlands.

467
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:26,960
I think we're just pouring heat right
out right right out through the walls

468
00:38:23,119 --> 00:38:32,160
and roof indoors and it's an
unacceptable works workspace. You know,

469
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:37,599
the questions just becomes how big do we
have to have take care of our trucks?

470
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:44,119
You know, what's the what's the now need
and what's the need for the next 10 or

471
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:44,119
15 years look like? So,

472
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:52,040
anyone else?
I like the thought of exploring that

473
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,040
other option.

474
00:38:53,040 --> 00:39:00,000
» So if we're going to explore another
option, do you want to move forward with

475
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:05,119
code to be doing this engineering thing?
Would we need this either way?

476
00:39:03,119 --> 00:39:09,760
» You'll need a you'll need some kind of
site design phase. Yes. Because they're

477
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:14,079
going to have to consider all of the
components. It's like if we get in touch

478
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:18,640
with Clear Span, they're going to assume
like we've got the dimensions that they

479
00:39:16,079 --> 00:39:22,240
need and it's flat and it's clean. And
in our case,

480
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:25,359
» that's not the case. Like in our case,
if it's the dimensions that we need,

481
00:39:23,839 --> 00:39:29,440
we've got a building sitting there that
we've got to remove. And then we've got

482
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:33,839
to think about the floor drains in the
building and the systems that support

483
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:40,000
that and so on and so forth. I did
already kind of lob um co and co a

484
00:39:37,359 --> 00:39:44,960
thought that we had been talking about
trying to connect the highway department

485
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:49,119
to the town sanitary sewer so that the
bathroom could be you know taken care of

486
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:53,920
by getting it across the road into the
Champlain pump station. I would perceive

487
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:58,079
that to be probably an expensive
component. And what's up there now is

488
00:39:55,839 --> 00:40:04,560
apparently a holding tank that just gets
pumped on a fairly infrequent basis, but

489
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:08,960
sufficiently pumped. And I I suggested
to Co and Co, maybe we just don't even

490
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:13,599
go down the road of, you know, forcing
the wastewater into the pump station. We

491
00:40:11,599 --> 00:40:18,880
just plan on building a new modern
holding tank system there. It should be

492
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:24,800
less money. We won't be able to build a
traditional on-site um leechfield kind

493
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:28,119
of situation because of the constraints
of the site

494
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:37,440
» that we go forward with the ending code
and code for a initial engineering

495
00:40:36,240 --> 00:40:41,079
phase.
>> I'll second that.

496
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:47,839
I think it's a step we need to go
through no matter what.

497
00:40:45,599 --> 00:40:54,800
Any
discussion? No discussion. All in favor

498
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:57,599
of this say I. I. No.
>> Thank.

499
00:40:56,079 --> 00:41:02,400
» Do you want to talk about how you want
to fund that?

500
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:08,119
» How we want to fund the 10,000?
>> Right.

501
00:41:05,119 --> 00:41:08,119
um

502
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:16,880
this moment I just I guess I go in your
wisdom where I would say from last

503
00:41:14,720 --> 00:41:21,680
year's reserve first thing that can come
out of the reserve or something

504
00:41:20,079 --> 00:41:24,319
» and I still like this idea of playing
off police station but

505
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:28,240
» no that's that's valid
>> you know I I

506
00:41:26,319 --> 00:41:34,240
» I guess my maybe if you think about it
this way the reserve money can always be

507
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:38,480
added to 1% money for capital stuff, but
the 1% money cannot ever be thrown into

508
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:43,760
the general fund reserve. Do you know
what I mean? So, I I I would prefer if

509
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:48,480
you don't think it's difficult, I would
prefer to spend it from the capital

510
00:41:45,359 --> 00:41:53,839
fund, which is the 1% money.
>> It's fine with me. Y

511
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:55,839
» Okay.
>> Could you make a motion in that

512
00:41:55,119 --> 00:41:59,440
direction?
>> I move that that $10,000 comes out of

513
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:01,520
the 1% option tax.
>> Thank

514
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,599
you.
>> All in favor? I

515
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,960
» I
>> thank you.

516
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:09,960
» No one. Okay.
Um

517
00:42:10,240 --> 00:42:16,480
knew that was going to be a long one.
Number eight was going to drag us right

518
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:24,480
down. [laughter] Um number nine,
uh consider intram designation ratifying

519
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:28,240
no parking zone between the gazebo and
the monument.

520
00:42:26,240 --> 00:42:33,920
And that has been flagged off this week.
I looked at it today and I agree with it

521
00:42:31,599 --> 00:42:39,680
100% because it's just traffic accidents
waiting to happen. Every time somebody

522
00:42:35,599 --> 00:42:44,480
tries to back up, it's too narrow.
>> So if we you want to say anything about

523
00:42:43,359 --> 00:42:47,760
that because I'm ready to make
>> Well, if the community, you know,

524
00:42:45,839 --> 00:42:50,720
doesn't have an awareness of what I
wrote, maybe I'll just give a quick

525
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:55,119
summary. So, we're talking about Central
Park, the west end, there's parking on

526
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:59,280
both the north and the south. And then
there's a crosswalk from the fountain

527
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:04,079
and between the fountain and the
dispensary. The middle section, there's

528
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:08,160
parking only on the north side toward
the Brandon Inn. And then there's

529
00:43:06,079 --> 00:43:11,760
supposed to be no parking by the gazebo,
but in practice, that's been a bus stop.

530
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:16,160
And that's actually, you know, one of
the designs that was allowed for. And

531
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:19,920
then there's a crosswalk from 22 Park
over toward the gazebo. And then the

532
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:23,280
eastern end that goes toward Park
Street, that's essentially just a

533
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:27,520
two-way driveway, and there should be no
parking in that at all. That's what uh

534
00:43:26,079 --> 00:43:33,520
we've had the police put up the
temporary signage for. Um it really is

535
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:37,839
starting to become something that is a
perennial kind of every weekend when

536
00:43:35,599 --> 00:43:43,920
things are busy down there. Um there's a
lot of cars and it does make it unsafe

537
00:43:41,119 --> 00:43:49,760
for motorists, pedestrians. um the bus
that does come through. Um I I would

538
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:55,040
recommend at least that eastern third uh
be found to be no parking. And again,

539
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:59,359
this is all what the board accepted from
the design engineers of segment 6, but

540
00:43:57,839 --> 00:44:04,800
it never made it into the traffic
ordinance. So, what I'm asking for

541
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:11,200
tonight is for this to be done until
like as a stop gap measure while the

542
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:16,960
traffic ordinance kind of gets a full A
to Z rewrite. It's a very complex

543
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:22,560
ordinance. My preference would be that
both the middle and the eastern side be

544
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:26,079
signed for no parking along the park
because that would allow you to back out

545
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:29,359
of the Brandon in spots if you were
parked in the Brand and I say the

546
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:34,400
Brandon in spots. Those are not spots
spots just for Brandon in guests. Those

547
00:44:32,079 --> 00:44:38,800
are public parking spots. The Brandon in
has its own parking behind the inn. Um,

548
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:42,319
anybody can use that for doing their
their Brandon Commerce errands or

549
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:49,160
whatever. Um, and I think it would be
safer for all if there were no parking

550
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:49,160
there on the side opposite.

551
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:55,599
» Okay. Now, I make a motion that we uh
>> What's

552
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:58,319
Go ahead.
>> What's enforcement going to be? How are

553
00:44:57,119 --> 00:45:04,079
we going to enforce that?
>> Well, if you find so like if I just have

554
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:09,520
the police put out posters, they can,
you know, write tickets that will not

555
00:45:06,079 --> 00:45:14,560
stand up. If you find that this is a,
you know, this is your directive, then

556
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:17,040
it's like an ordinance in a temporary
way and they can write tickets that will

557
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:22,000
stand up.
>> Okay. Good. Good. Cuz

558
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:26,880
this isn't the only spot that we need to
look at for fire. So that's so the the

559
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:30,319
reason that I'm bringing this and I
hadn't brought other stuff before is the

560
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:35,280
select board has always wanted not to do
peace meal tinkering with the traffic

561
00:45:32,319 --> 00:45:40,720
ordinance which is smart is a good idea.
Um but the traffic ordinance is not even

562
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:44,000
two meetings three meetings away from
coming back to the select board. This

563
00:45:42,240 --> 00:45:49,480
the traffic ordinance is still in in
quite a state of under review.

564
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:55,920
Can they put some of those no parking
signs right out here?

565
00:45:53,920 --> 00:46:00,720
» Well, that's what I'm saying. Like,
really? No. Like, we we can't just like

566
00:45:57,839 --> 00:46:04,720
start willy-nilly placing no parking
because those are not enforceable. They

567
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:08,640
can do it for the parade for a brief
period of time, but what I'm talking

568
00:46:06,079 --> 00:46:11,760
about is a more more permanent
designation. Yeah.

569
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:16,640
» So, we need to wrap up the parking in
the street. we need to deal something

570
00:46:13,119 --> 00:46:20,079
with the traffic ordinance and um we can
we can make an effort whether I think

571
00:46:18,240 --> 00:46:24,560
that the board had kind of determined
that the traffic ordinance was going to

572
00:46:22,079 --> 00:46:28,880
be looked at separate from the other the
main ordinance review right of all of

573
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:33,359
the the book of ordinances and policies.
So maybe we just need to prioritize

574
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:38,680
doing that before you get into the the
sticky wickets of the the main review of

575
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,680
the book.

576
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:47,839
» Okay. Okay. So, I'll make a motion that
we uh designate no parking zone between

577
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:51,200
the gazebo and the monument. Um,
actually, I think it should start at the

578
00:46:50,240 --> 00:46:55,599
crosswalk.
>> Yeah.

579
00:46:52,319 --> 00:46:58,319
» Down at uh where where the parking on
that side of the road ends all the way

580
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:02,400
down.
>> So, the middle section between the two

581
00:47:00,240 --> 00:47:06,960
crosswalks and eastern section that's
toward Park Street. None of that is

582
00:47:04,240 --> 00:47:10,400
painted as parking spots and people are
parking there and

583
00:47:08,720 --> 00:47:14,240
» it's a problem.
>> That's my motion.

584
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:17,440
» I will second that
>> discussion.

585
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:20,960
And just to be clear, we are not
touching the parking spots in front of

586
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:25,040
the brand, but everywhere else is
>> correct. All in favor?

587
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:27,119
I
>> I

588
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:32,240
» I
post

589
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:37,640
no one you if the should be current once
what that looks like I can give you that

590
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,640
okay half

591
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:48,333
» okay well there you get to get up
>> pictures of circles and arrows and

592
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:48,333
everything there um [clears throat]

593
00:47:49,119 --> 00:47:52,119
» yes

594
00:47:52,319 --> 00:47:58,079
Make your way.
>> Barbrier,

595
00:47:55,040 --> 00:48:03,760
» Barb Scribner, I had a question. So
those parking spots

596
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:08,960
there, the bus that comes or buses, can
we put some lined items painted that say

597
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:12,319
loading zone for bus or
>> Yes.

598
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:16,000
» something to designate so people realize
that they are allowed to do that for the

599
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:19,520
community.
>> Yep. They've been they've been done in

600
00:48:17,599 --> 00:48:24,160
the past. The town crew is happy to put
them down. They get ignored. they get um

601
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:28,480
you know messed up in the winter like
they have to be done every spring

602
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:32,359
» just like the crosswalks. Yeah, [gasps]
we can definitely do it.

603
00:48:33,599 --> 00:48:43,520
Okay, moving on. Item 10.
Uh item 10 says followup request on road

604
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:48,079
closure Pearl Street for the harvest
dance October 2nd.

605
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:52,960
» I was looking to provide some more
information to you guys. uh the last

606
00:48:49,920 --> 00:49:00,079
meeting when I brought this upation some
questions asked about uh safety and the

607
00:48:56,960 --> 00:49:05,520
like um since the last meeting reached
out to chief

608
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:13,760
chief
and both were had no issues with this

609
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:19,520
being a closure spoke with uh Andy
Jackson of the

610
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:23,599
rescue squad. He had some concerns um
saying the response time they

611
00:49:21,839 --> 00:49:29,520
experienced when they had during the
flooding uh had about five minutes

612
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:34,559
response time on both long swap short
swap.

613
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:41,119
some concerns about that and the
possibility another road were closed

614
00:49:36,720 --> 00:49:44,119
that night that that might need to be
bypassure

615
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:00,520
things happen

616
00:50:01,119 --> 00:50:09,680
the barn out having somebody monitoring
scanner make sure there was no issue the

617
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:15,119
barn sorry the covered bridge is our
guess the covered bridge um cover um

618
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:20,800
it'll be able to clear that up fairly
quickly in a safe man

619
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:27,440
and that was that road that had be
closed say champ street

620
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:30,160
that we could end the dance early open
up streets

621
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:38,640
So many streets. Um so the uh so that
was around the safety concerns. Um there

622
00:50:36,079 --> 00:50:43,760
was uh there's a question about whether
or not Barn Opera was on board to

623
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:48,160
collaborate. I provided you um all four
of you uh

624
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:52,079
here into the record if anybody wants to
hear it. Um dear select board, my name

625
00:50:50,240 --> 00:50:55,359
is Josh Kier. I'm the artistic director
of Opera Vermont in Barn Opera. I'm

626
00:50:54,240 --> 00:51:00,079
writing on behalf of the board of
directors of our organization support

627
00:50:58,319 --> 00:51:03,760
Brandon and Connie Wright events and I'm
delighted to be a part of why I have

628
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:06,480
will no doubt be an annual event. It's
vitally important for our community to

629
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:10,079
continue to find ways to innovate,
create and provide cultural

630
00:51:07,839 --> 00:51:13,760
opportunities for all of us with the
proximity of the Sanderson Bridge to the

631
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:16,800
Barn Opera House. It benefits all of us
to open our beloved space to our

632
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:20,240
community to remind all of us that Barn
Opera House is not just for opera but

633
00:51:18,559 --> 00:51:24,880
rather for community events providing
another beautiful event space in Brandon

634
00:51:22,319 --> 00:51:27,280
area for million different purposes.
We're grateful for the offer to

635
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:30,160
collaborate on this event and hopefully
others like it in the future. I know

636
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:35,280
that we all look forward to the
remarkable sess success that is

637
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:39,680
to be sending all my best on behalf of
the board of directors of Barn Opera

638
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:42,160
Inc. Josh Kier. There's a PS. Uh, my
daughters Lily and Chloe are already

639
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:45,599
picking out their best fall dancing
outfits for the event. So, how can I

640
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:51,960
possibly again be against this very fun
event

641
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:51,960
and that is

642
00:51:52,079 --> 00:51:57,680
I mean I mean I do have some covered
bridge people here I think if they'd

643
00:51:55,760 --> 00:52:01,079
like to speak to their excitement about
it as well.

644
00:52:02,319 --> 00:52:09,680
» Scott, 69 Park Street. Um, I'd like to
say that I'm here on behalf of the board

645
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:14,640
of the Mont Crumb Ridge Society, but I
haven't received all of the votes back

646
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:19,520
uh for full support, but I can tell you
that you have my full support. I'll be

647
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:24,960
there. I will um donate my time. I'll
come and help clean up afterwards uh

648
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:31,040
because I think it's a great, you know,
great way to uh promote our bridge, our

649
00:52:28,720 --> 00:52:35,920
covered bridge here in town. So I thank
all you guys for, you know, coming up

650
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:43,359
with this opportunity to to do that. We
need to keep our uh focus on our bridges

651
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:47,280
and um so yeah, thank you very much and
I will let you know as soon as I hear

652
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:50,800
back from my board. I' I've I need to
have the full boards, you know, approval

653
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:55,760
before I can come up here and say we're
going to support you 100%. But I can

654
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:59,440
tell you that um I have submitted a uh
article in our newsletter which is

655
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:05,280
getting ready to come out um just
promoting the uh event. So um I know all

656
00:53:03,119 --> 00:53:09,440
of the Coverbridge Society members are
going to see that it's going on, but I'd

657
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:13,359
like to also do uh once I get approval,
I'd like to do a shout out to all our

658
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:17,760
members and just say come to Brandon,
check it out, come see our bridge

659
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:23,280
because we're proud of it. So thank you
very much.

660
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,280
Yeah.

661
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:35,040
Dan Culage. So when you talk about
closing a road,

662
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:42,400
to me it needs to be something major.
It's not a small thing to close. You're

663
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:47,440
using Barn Opera. They couldn't hold the
dance in the in the building. And you

664
00:53:45,599 --> 00:53:52,400
could just maybe close the road for an
hour so people could check out the

665
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:57,680
bridge and walk around. do a shorter
part that's on the bridge for road

666
00:53:54,880 --> 00:54:03,440
closure and then have everything else in
the barn opera or a different location.

667
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:07,599
To me, you know, you're setting a
precedent. You keep closing roads for

668
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:13,280
this and that the other thing. And to
me, that should be your last resort to

669
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:18,240
close a road
that, you know, can't you accomplish the

670
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:21,599
same thing having tours of the bridge,
you know, have it closed for a short

671
00:54:19,599 --> 00:54:25,760
period of time, not for four or five
hours?

672
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:32,960
I'm just wondering
>> if they thought that answer.

673
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:35,920
» Um, sure. I mean, I think what
the genesis of this idea is that we're

674
00:54:34,720 --> 00:54:39,839
not the first people to think about
doing this.

675
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:43,119
There's a a place New Hampshire, was it
Jackson, New Hampshire? Jackson, New

676
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:47,440
Hampshire that does this. This is would
be a kind of fun, cool event. And road

677
00:54:45,839 --> 00:54:52,240
closure is a big deal, which is why the
select board needs to needs to approve

678
00:54:49,839 --> 00:54:57,440
it. Um, but this is not the only time we
ever vote to close roads. And since

679
00:54:54,160 --> 00:55:03,000
1976, we voted to close the road, Route
7,

680
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:03,000
major north south thort

681
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:11,119
opportunity for a fun event. I'm I'm
just saying it's I'm just I'm just

682
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:16,240
trying to say like like we do close
roads.

683
00:55:14,079 --> 00:55:20,800
» You know, my my proposal was to clo to
close the road from 5 to 10. It would be

684
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:24,720
five hours. The event itself would be 3
hours in the middle of that time. And

685
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:28,160
then, you know, in either side of that,
you know, like as quickly as we can

686
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:31,200
clean out the bridge, you know, the
bridge could be open at 9:15

687
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:35,520
potentially. I mean, people have gone at
8:30. I mean, it's But I wanted to make

688
00:55:33,599 --> 00:55:42,000
sure that the
that we had a solid be uh beginning as

689
00:55:40,079 --> 00:55:46,720
the end would allow the opportunity to
open the road more easily. And again,

690
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:51,760
that the folks on either side of the
bridge um would have access to their

691
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:56,000
homes. The sign closing the road will be
at Corona Street, but anybody beyond

692
00:55:53,359 --> 00:56:00,720
Croner Street down to the last driveway
before the bridge on this side of the

693
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:04,000
bridge would have access to their homes.
And conversely, everybody on the other

694
00:56:02,559 --> 00:56:07,799
side of the bridge would have access to
their homes from the other side.

695
00:56:07,839 --> 00:56:13,280
» I spoke out against this at the last
meeting.

696
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:19,319
I think it's a great event. I don't
think it's a good place to have it. Not

697
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:19,319
in a bridge. And uh

698
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:25,280
I'm not going to be in favor of it. I
don't think it's great for the residents

699
00:56:22,799 --> 00:56:29,064
of Pearl Street or the people on Short
or Long Schlom. [clears throat]

700
00:56:30,799 --> 00:56:38,240
» Opinion. Um, I could kind of go either
way on it. Um, in the interest of

701
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:41,680
fairness, we did get I think Alma
Lakeboard got an email from a Pearl

702
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:44,480
Street resident who was pretty strongly
opposed

703
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:48,319
uh to the event. We also have this one
that is very strongly in favor from a

704
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:55,119
Pearl Street resident.
organization director. Um so clearly it

705
00:56:52,319 --> 00:57:00,240
is not firmly in one direction or the
other. Um I hear the argument that

706
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:04,240
closing a bridge is and closing a road
is

707
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:07,520
a major significant thing. I also hear
the argument that this could be another

708
00:57:06,079 --> 00:57:11,640
way to put Brandon on the map in the
fall. Um

709
00:57:12,720 --> 00:57:17,680
I'm on the fence.
We have a

710
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:21,760
» Yeah.
>> Yeah. Uh Cecil had asked at the last

711
00:57:20,319 --> 00:57:27,960
meeting about what the residents down
there think of it. We've got two. Have

712
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:27,960
we asked any others?

713
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:36,799
» I spoke with
on Long Swamp Road.

714
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:41,880
» Oh, it was on Long Swap Road and she had
no concerns, but she works in the town

715
00:57:38,319 --> 00:57:41,880
offices. Full disclosure.

716
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:50,000
And we have we have other parks in town.
We got Eststerbrook. There's plenty of

717
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:54,400
other facilities that could have the
event. I know it's not a covered bridge,

718
00:57:52,160 --> 00:58:00,559
but
you are correct. We could do a dinner

719
00:57:57,599 --> 00:58:06,240
brook or any of our downtown parks. I
think the idea of the the bridge has its

720
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:12,960
own
interesting

721
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:18,240
flavor to it, which is is good. Um, I
understand your your concerns and I

722
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:22,720
talked with Seth and Bill today on on
mine and said I'm in the same particular

723
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:28,079
boat that in one hand I'd love to see it
happen and another hand

724
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:32,799
I'm on the fence. I wonder if this would
be an item to table for another two

725
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:37,760
weeks till we have our full board here,
but that's up to the board. I

726
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:42,799
» And I think in fairness, I'll make a
motion we table this for two weeks.

727
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:46,799
» I'll second that.
>> Okay. And we have a motion to table it

728
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:51,200
for two weeks.
Uh any discussion on that official

729
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:55,359
motion?
>> We could put out a bulletin to street

730
00:58:53,599 --> 00:59:00,559
folks. I think that would be
>> go door to door to the folks on the

731
00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:05,119
street that you want to give me give me
addresses

732
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:09,440
besides Pearl Street in addition what
other street sorry I don't go out that

733
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:16,720
much that way what other street would
you be the um

734
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:20,720
» I person
would be Pearl Street the other side of

735
00:59:18,799 --> 00:59:24,559
Pearl Street a couple houses there then
you get the long swap and it's kind of a

736
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:24,559
long stretch

737
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:31,440
No other street.
>> You can take long swim. You go up over

738
00:59:29,359 --> 00:59:33,520
Marshall Phillips, end up on High Pond
Road. Yeah.

739
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:37,040
» Yeah.
>> And and come in on

740
00:59:35,359 --> 00:59:41,119
» as they say, you can get there from
here. There's there's a lot of different

741
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:45,920
ways to skin that cat as far as, you
know, but immediate impacts I would be

742
00:59:43,599 --> 00:59:51,280
the folks on. I would say there's only
one house on that side of the bridge you

743
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:54,799
should talk to and on this side there's
everybody out the corona. That make

744
00:59:53,839 --> 00:59:55,599
sense?
>> Absolutely.

745
00:59:55,359 --> 01:00:01,119
» Yeah.
>> But on this side everybody that's there

746
00:59:57,680 --> 01:00:02,960
can get access in and out during the
entire time of the event.

747
01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:08,079
» Yeah.
>> And they can get access into town and

748
01:00:06,319 --> 01:00:10,319
back to their house any time during the
event.

749
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:15,200
» Right. I I don't think Cecil's concern
was access. I think she her was

750
01:00:13,359 --> 01:00:18,079
» knowledge of it and that they were on
board and that kind of stuff is what her

751
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:22,160
concern
>> you give me that not the absence of the

752
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:25,599
houses but the streets that are the
concerns.

753
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:29,839
» I will go from house to house and and
bring back that information or get a

754
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:34,559
bill for two weeks from now so we can
get an idea of the folks that it really

755
01:00:31,839 --> 01:00:40,240
is going to impact if it really impacts
them. I'm not sure how many would impact

756
01:00:38,559 --> 01:00:46,079
that are that close to the bridge is
what I I'm trying to visualize.

757
01:00:44,079 --> 01:00:51,760
Is there any way you can cut the time
frame to

758
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:59,440
» that's a consideration? I certainly um
>> group seven for the July parade is like

759
01:00:54,960 --> 01:01:07,040
two hours and it's easy to get around
that isn't. So if you cut it down

760
01:01:03,119 --> 01:01:12,480
instead of five hours, you know, that
would make it a lot more doable and less

761
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:18,400
chance of, you know, rescue had to, you
know, time is a lot when you're the one

762
01:01:15,599 --> 01:01:24,160
needing rescue. So if you can cut that
down, it might have a chance of having

763
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:27,119
appreciate the suggestion.
>> As the free DJ, I don't mind making it a

764
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:32,559
shorter event.
>> Yeah. And in defense of closing the

765
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:37,920
road, I mean, we closed Park Street for
numerous parades,

766
01:01:35,119 --> 01:01:40,920
um, you know, Memorial Day, Veterans
Day.

767
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:46,480
» So,
>> well, if I could interject, I now live

768
01:01:44,559 --> 01:01:50,480
on the part of Park Street that nobody
asks if you want it closed or not, and

769
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:55,440
it's closed, and you can't get out of
your driveway in a car on parade day.

770
01:01:52,960 --> 01:02:00,559
And it's always been that way. We get
alerted by a slip of paper dropped into

771
01:01:58,079 --> 01:02:04,880
our mailboxes the night before by the
volunteers who work hard to put on a

772
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:09,359
great parade and it just says don't
leave your driveway from like 8:00 in

773
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:11,119
the morning until noon. [laughter]
>> Feel like someone should talk to the

774
01:02:10,319 --> 01:02:15,680
town about that.
>> Well, I don't think the select board

775
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:19,359
votes to close Park Street Extension. I
don't think that that's ever been part

776
01:02:17,119 --> 01:02:23,440
of the, you know, parade stuff. It's
just street and the people on Pearl

777
01:02:22,559 --> 01:02:26,880
Street are not going to be
inconvenienced at that level because

778
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:32,079
they're always going to be able to get
in and out of their driveways in a car.

779
01:02:29,359 --> 01:02:37,440
So, I feel like I don't mind that they
close my road on Independence Day

780
01:02:34,799 --> 01:02:41,040
weekend and I can't get out in a car.
Like, I feel like it's a very small

781
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:44,880
inconvenience to pay for a really
excellent community event. And, you

782
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:50,000
know, we all live in community with each
other. We don't have the privilege of

783
01:02:47,359 --> 01:02:53,760
living in island on islands and then
just kind of going somewhere else for

784
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:57,359
entertainment. Like to get entertained
sometimes we all have to have a little

785
01:02:55,200 --> 01:03:00,640
skin in the game. And again, I really
don't think the Pearl Street folks are

786
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:06,000
going to have the same level of
inconvenience as when they close Park

787
01:03:03,119 --> 01:03:11,040
Street from Marble Street out to Country
Club Road for the Fourth of July parade.

788
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:14,480
» Yeah. and worth saying that the house
that is would probably be the most

789
01:03:12,799 --> 01:03:18,000
inconvenienced is strongly in favor of
the event. So

790
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:21,680
there is that.
>> Okay. So we do have a motion in a second

791
01:03:19,599 --> 01:03:23,039
to table for until the next meeting. All
in favor?

792
01:03:22,319 --> 01:03:29,760
» I I
>> I Okay, we'll give you a final decision

793
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:34,079
in two weeks.
Um

794
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:38,400
item 11,
followup item um considering townwide

795
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:43,520
reappraisal. You found out some more
information. do have a little more

796
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:47,680
information. Um, so I provided some to
the board, but so the community knows,

797
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:51,039
um, we have had some contacts with some
of the towns, like getting some

798
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:56,559
referrals and so forth, and that's been
good. Jill Brooks at the town office is

799
01:03:53,839 --> 01:04:00,079
keeping a file of all of the information
that we've got from the other towns.

800
01:03:58,559 --> 01:04:04,960
Essentially,
um, it's widely the towns are satisfied

801
01:04:03,039 --> 01:04:10,880
with the assessing firms that they chose
to assess their towns, right? So like in

802
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:16,480
general um any of those four you'll find
a prepoundonderance of the experience to

803
01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:21,119
have been positive uh by the towns that
they've recently reappraised. The

804
01:04:19,039 --> 01:04:27,680
information that I shared with the board
um that I think is worth the board

805
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:33,280
thinking about is um is that our current
professional assessor is through a

806
01:04:30,559 --> 01:04:37,520
contract with NEMRI which is the third
firm listed on the chart that was in the

807
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:42,000
summary.
So she work she's an employee of

808
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:46,640
Nerrich. The town pays Nerk to have her
professional appraiser service, a

809
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:54,640
professional assessor services in
Brandon kind of on an ongoing basis.

810
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:58,079
Nermeric has a policy that came to us um
I think since the last meeting, right?

811
01:04:56,559 --> 01:05:02,640
We didn't know this at the last meeting.
So, this is what I want you to think

812
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:08,240
about. Nermeric will reappraise a town
where somebody else is the assessor.

813
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:15,119
But if Nememerch is the assessor and the
town chooses someone else to reappraise,

814
01:05:10,559 --> 01:05:24,240
Nermch will not be the assessor anymore.
Does that make sense?

815
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:29,119
So if the board um were to select Nerk,
we would likely maintain our current

816
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:33,440
relationship with Nerk as our
professional assessor. We don't have an

817
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:37,440
in-house on staff assessor's clerk
anymore,

818
01:05:35,039 --> 01:05:42,640
but we would be looking at a two at a at
a summer of 2032

819
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:48,000
townwide reappraisal completion date.
Right? This is a long way off.

820
01:05:45,839 --> 01:05:52,720
If the town if the board were to choose
one of the other three firms, we would

821
01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:57,599
then at the same time need to make a
transition away from using Nerrich as

822
01:05:55,119 --> 01:06:02,000
our kind of on our our in-house
assessor. we would need to find somebody

823
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:10,359
else to do that. It's not impossible.
It's just a significant uh consideration

824
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:10,359
that I think bears thought

825
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:17,520
» kind of boils down to is the extra
weight time for NRIC worth not going

826
01:06:15,119 --> 01:06:21,240
through the hassle of it may boil down
to that. Y

827
01:06:21,359 --> 01:06:26,960
» So you're not officially making a
recommendation for us to make a decision

828
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:31,920
on tonight
>> here. I was I was uh looking for some

829
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:38,079
maybe board sense or direction about
what you

830
01:06:34,079 --> 01:06:43,760
preferred we we do. Yeah,
>> I can say that I still was not excited

831
01:06:41,119 --> 01:06:47,039
about their completion date. Long way
off.

832
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:50,720
So
you're saying that the New England

833
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:54,000
Municipal and the Real Capital
Consulting both had good references.

834
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:56,400
» Yes.
>> Yeah.

835
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:59,960
» And so did Nerk in fairness?
>> Yes. Oh yeah.

836
01:06:56,960 --> 01:06:59,960
» Yeah.

837
01:07:04,559 --> 01:07:11,839
» Clear as stone. One more time.
>> Yes, please. Otherwise, Zoom can't hear

838
01:07:11,599 --> 01:07:15,599
you.
>> You're going to have to learn to sit in

839
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:21,119
the front row.
>> Only the smart kids in the front.

840
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:28,079
Claire, now I forgot what I wanted to
know. So I I guess I don't like the idea

841
01:07:24,559 --> 01:07:34,400
of somebody um saying you stick with us
and do it this way or we're done. So

842
01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:40,880
what is that about and why are they able
to hold us on such a tight leash? Like

843
01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:43,520
what do they have so much of that we
need?

844
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:48,960
» We operate I don't want to speak for
them but you know we operate in a market

845
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:52,400
of very few providers of a specialty
service.

846
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:57,599
It is for nothing,
>> right? Yeah. And and and it's to do with

847
01:07:54,480 --> 01:08:04,480
the fact that every town needs this kind
of service and there's maybe well

848
01:08:00,319 --> 01:08:09,920
there's there's 14 total licensed firms
in Vermont who can do this. A bunch of

849
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:12,720
them won't even consider it because
we're too far away from where they

850
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:16,560
operate and they're a small firm,
whatever, blah blah blah. So, we heard

851
01:08:14,079 --> 01:08:22,080
back from only six. Two of them declined
to propose. We got the four. I mean the

852
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:27,520
I don't want to speak for anybody for
any of them. They all presented

853
01:08:23,759 --> 01:08:33,040
proposals. They all have um references
that are solid. They all have track

854
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:39,920
records in Vermont in towns our size or
bigger or smaller. All of those things.

855
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:46,159
The key drivers are dates and pricing
and this other component of the

856
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:50,080
relationship that you have. I mean, I
did look around quickly after I got that

857
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:55,120
news and I was like, well, what do the
other towns do, right? And so, like,

858
01:08:51,839 --> 01:08:58,480
some of the other towns have an on staff
assessor,

859
01:08:56,640 --> 01:09:01,839
part-time, full-time, whatever. It
depends on the side of the town. I don't

860
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:07,920
think that's a good option for Brandon.
I really like that we pay an assessing

861
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:13,679
firm that has professional licensed
assessors and we pay them for the work

862
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:18,960
that they do in Brandon at at a good
rate. You know, like it's a it's a

863
01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:23,679
professional person's rate. It's not a a
clerk's rate. Um that we used to have a

864
01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:27,440
clerk that worked in Brandon to support
the assessor and we don't have that

865
01:09:25,839 --> 01:09:32,960
relationship anymore. I I think what we
have is nice.

866
01:09:29,359 --> 01:09:35,920
Could we explore it with another firm? I
I believe we could explore it with

867
01:09:34,319 --> 01:09:41,839
another firm. There's also the question
of the software. Um many of them use

868
01:09:39,839 --> 01:09:46,239
different forms of assessing software.
And that's one of the considerations is

869
01:09:44,159 --> 01:09:50,239
what's compatible with what we do now.
Is it time for us to kind of refresh

870
01:09:48,239 --> 01:09:53,600
that or is it time for us to recommmit
to it? Those kinds of things. It's it's

871
01:09:52,480 --> 01:09:59,199
a big decision.
>> It is. Yeah. And it's a big process.

872
01:09:55,760 --> 01:10:05,920
» Yeah. So, I was just curious about why
the leash with that company.

873
01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:12,080
» I mean, I I guess if you're going to
kind of continue to do the support role,

874
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:17,679
maybe this is like you do the support
role expecting that when the big job

875
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:23,120
comes, like we don't pay the assessor
even $20,000 a year, right? We get our

876
01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:31,199
assessing done for in the teens of
thousands of dollars a year. And when it

877
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:36,199
comes time for the $250, $300,000 job, I
maybe they believe they're owed some

878
01:10:32,480 --> 01:10:36,199
difference. I don't know.

879
01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:40,800
» Just a curios.
>> Yep.

880
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:47,360
» Thank you.
>> I'd be curious to get a idea of the uh

881
01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:51,280
town office staff's opinion on whether
the NMR software is worth sticking with

882
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:55,040
or not.
>> We could stick with the NRA software.

883
01:10:53,520 --> 01:11:00,320
Gotcha.
that that's that's not in conversation.

884
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:03,760
» We're to switch away from them or we
might not necessarily that might not

885
01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:06,800
necessarily dovetail with whatever.
>> It's a very technical question. I don't

886
01:11:05,440 --> 01:11:11,760
want to answer because I don't know the
answer. Yeah, I understand what you're

887
01:11:08,800 --> 01:11:15,120
asking though and that's that's exactly
what we need to consider.

888
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:16,800
» Just trying to get an idea of the I
don't need to know everything but like

889
01:11:16,159 --> 01:11:20,320
the
>> leg work involved. The NEMIC grand list

890
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:24,320
will still work, right,
>> if we put values in it from some other

891
01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:29,800
software that's done a townwide
reappraisal. I believe we've had that

892
01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:29,800
experience in the past actually.

893
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:37,760
» So then I think we take this as an FYI
and you're going to come back to us more

894
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:40,400
information later.
>> Yep.

895
01:11:39,440 --> 01:11:44,800
» Okay. Bingo.
>> This I did I did talk with the state

896
01:11:42,719 --> 01:11:50,000
property valuation and review department
like specifically about it and um our

897
01:11:48,080 --> 01:11:57,120
person who's in charge of making sure
Brandon is like you know assessing

898
01:11:52,800 --> 01:12:01,440
fairly and so forth. She indicated that
the completion date was less of a

899
01:11:59,679 --> 01:12:06,960
concern to them because they're aware
that there's a limited number of firms

900
01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:12,320
that can do this. And what they want to
um be sure is that we're in a process

901
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:17,920
that's going to lead to a a full
reappraisal in a and that that's that's

902
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:20,800
their main concern less the time.
>> Yeah,

903
01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:26,000
» we may have other we may have our own
reasons to want the time to

904
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:32,320
» say Mr. Buer. Yeah, scrap Ber. What was
the software that gives us so much

905
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:37,110
trouble? Is that the billing one for
utilities or there?

906
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:38,400
» Well, there was one that that you said
[gasps]

907
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:43,520
» budget
>> is problematic

908
01:12:39,440 --> 01:12:48,560
» and budget workshops. So, NEMRI is like
a big umbrella and there are little

909
01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:57,280
modules within NEMR and the town uses a
lot of them and um I believe all of what

910
01:12:52,960 --> 01:13:04,640
we use for like assessing and water and
sewer bills and um the grand list and

911
01:13:01,440 --> 01:13:10,400
property taxes and the general ledger. I
believe these are all NEMR modules and I

912
01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:14,560
don't think we have another software
that's driving anything except maybe

913
01:13:12,239 --> 01:13:19,120
your wreck stuff is like living off on
its own like my wreck platform or

914
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:25,040
something, right? Yeah.
>> So, it is NERC that we spoke of in the

915
01:13:21,199 --> 01:13:30,239
past that that is kind of touchy.
>> It it can be it can be hard to navigate.

916
01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:35,920
It's it's been uh used by Vermont towns
for many many many many years and it's

917
01:13:33,679 --> 01:13:43,679
tailored for Vermont towns and it works
for Vermont towns and um it's not really

918
01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:47,760
it's not really kind of been changed
that I can understand. It's not really

919
01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:51,126
been modernized or updated or things of
that nature.

920
01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:54,000
» So you're not unhappy with it.
[laughter]

921
01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:57,520
» That's my question. So that mean
>> it's come up before

922
01:13:55,120 --> 01:14:01,040
» as town manager I don't use much other
than the general ledger right I go in

923
01:13:59,280 --> 01:14:04,159
and I make sure like this department
that department I can see these things I

924
01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:08,800
can make some reports for the select
board to consider the people who use

925
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:14,000
NRIC all the day long are like Jackie
who is human resources and Jill who is

926
01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:18,000
accounts payable and the town clerk and
the deputy town clerk like those four

927
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:24,480
people are in Nerrich all the day long
in various parts of it and I I know that

928
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:28,719
it does the job that they need it to do.
>> Okay. Thank you.

929
01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:35,280
» And from my limited experience finding a
robust data management software,

930
01:14:32,239 --> 01:14:40,040
none of them work that well. Find one
that is robust and that is something.

931
01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:46,800
Okay, we'll wait for you to tell us
about it another time.

932
01:14:44,719 --> 01:14:50,400
» Okay, now we're at the favorite part of
the meeting. Item 12, public comment

933
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:55,840
participation. And if you haven't
commented and participated enough, you

934
01:14:53,120 --> 01:15:00,400
can come do it now.
This is for items not on the budget or

935
01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:05,520
not on the agenda that you would like to
have us put on a future agenda or

936
01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:10,320
something. Mr. Bill Bulock.
>> Hello, Billy Bullock. Small Road.

937
01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:16,719
Apologize for not being here two weeks
ago. Um I was up in Quebec City um

938
01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:22,080
enjoying some time away. Um on the way
home um actually what I did was the

939
01:15:18,719 --> 01:15:26,800
other day I read in the minutes in the
report from the last meeting about how

940
01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:32,239
we going to protect our covered bridge.
Well coming back through Quebec um we

941
01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:35,040
decided turn off GPS and just point
ourselves towards the sun and well

942
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:39,040
that's kind of hard because you're going
east and west a lot. So, but anyway,

943
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:44,159
we're out in the country and we come
across this

944
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:49,280
probably 4in steel pipes in the ground
with this big steam uh uh steel girder

945
01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:53,120
across the top of it. Of course, it's in
French, but it did have height wise on

946
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:55,520
it. And I said, "All right, well,
there's got to be a bridge around here."

947
01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:59,199
You go around the corner and there's
covered bridge. So, I saw that sign. I

948
01:15:57,840 --> 01:16:03,679
was like, "Yeah, that's pretty good
idea." You know, you hit that steel

949
01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:07,760
light beam and you're going to stop in a
hurry.

950
01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:13,199
So, we got to the other side and I
looked up and I, oh, there's another

951
01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:16,960
steel girder in the air. Except that one
had a big dent in it. And I looked in

952
01:16:15,440 --> 01:16:20,320
the rearview mirror and the bridge was
pristine.

953
01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:25,920
So,
you know, put the onus on the driver who

954
01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:31,920
wants to be the fool. Don't tear our
bridges down. Put a big steel burn uh

955
01:16:28,159 --> 01:16:37,120
girder up there and let them hit that.
That would be kind of fun and it's a lot

956
01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:42,280
cheaper to fix. So, a welder.
So, something to think about.

957
01:16:38,719 --> 01:16:42,280
» Thank you very much.

958
01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:50,679
» Anyone else with a public comment?
>> Yep. Come on, Scott.

959
01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:56,960
» That balance class myself.
Um, thank you for bringing that up.

960
01:16:55,040 --> 01:17:00,159
Actually, Barbara and I saw the sign
that there was a bridge and we went and

961
01:16:58,480 --> 01:17:06,400
took I've got a picture of that bridge
and and the metal bar, which is very

962
01:17:02,239 --> 01:17:12,159
nice. Uh we've um approached the uh
governor about helping fund the towns

963
01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:15,600
and putting the metal bars like that in
front of all the bridges, but we've got

964
01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:21,760
a lot of uh push back on it.
>> Um so we we actually uh approached a

965
01:17:18,400 --> 01:17:26,320
welding school and they made one for us
in one of the towns. So, and it just

966
01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:29,600
recently got hit this last weekend.
Saved the bridge, but it it killed the

967
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:36,080
RV.
Um, I just wanted to say again on the on

968
01:17:32,719 --> 01:17:40,640
the covered bridge. Um, that is
something that the Vermont Covered

969
01:17:37,199 --> 01:17:45,840
Bridge Society is trying to do is is
bring more um,

970
01:17:43,520 --> 01:17:49,840
you know, more attention to the bridges.
And if we held something like that here

971
01:17:47,679 --> 01:17:54,560
in town, that would be great. I mean
that's something that we are really

972
01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:59,520
focusing on and we just had a dinner at
one of the covered bridges um up north.

973
01:17:57,280 --> 01:18:04,080
So uh the towns will be approached more
about having more social events because

974
01:18:02,159 --> 01:18:09,440
it is a great way to bring the community
together and then also you know support

975
01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:16,400
the bridges and we should you know
really focus on trying to um

976
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:21,840
have more events around the bridges. I
mean, that's what the societyy's doing.

977
01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:26,000
But if we can build it up, then we could
basically um, you know, bring in a lot

978
01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:30,480
of money for the town just just by
having people come to tour and look at

979
01:18:28,480 --> 01:18:35,120
the bridges because it is something that
there's only a handful of states that

980
01:18:32,320 --> 01:18:40,880
have them. So, we're Vermont, we're very
lucky to have them. So, I just say, uh,

981
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:44,400
when you guys do decide to vote on it,
please vote yes because I think it'd be

982
01:18:42,480 --> 01:18:48,400
a great a great thing. And I'm really
trying to get the Vermont Cover Bridge

983
01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:52,400
Society, you know, behind us also. So,
um, if I can do that, we can promote it,

984
01:18:50,719 --> 01:18:57,120
you know, help promote it for, you know,
more for you guys and then I can get

985
01:18:54,800 --> 01:19:00,560
more people down here to help out, uh,
during the event. So, thank you again.

986
01:18:59,679 --> 01:19:07,480
» Thank you.
>> Perhaps there's an opportunity there for

987
01:19:02,239 --> 01:19:07,480
fundraising for a steel contraption.

988
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:16,480
» Anyone else?
>> I had one thing. I I wanted I wanted to

989
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:22,560
uh thank it's public record. I wanted to
thank uh uh the scribers where they made

990
01:19:19,199 --> 01:19:28,800
a donation to help us replace uh a sign
on uh on we had a missing pedestrian

991
01:19:26,480 --> 01:19:33,520
crossing crosswalk sign on Park Street.
Um and they uh they reached out and made

992
01:19:31,199 --> 01:19:38,080
a donation and we now have our sign back
there and we hope it stays there till

993
01:19:35,679 --> 01:19:41,880
the winter when we move them. But thank
you guys for your donation.

994
01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:55,520
One last thank you from Claire.
There have been hardly any um kids

995
01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:59,840
riding crazily on Park Street or I saw
one kid today and I couldn't catch him.

996
01:19:57,920 --> 01:20:04,480
Went through on his scooter. I mean, I'm
out there with my track shoes on now.

997
01:20:02,159 --> 01:20:10,400
Was going to chase him on my lawn mower,
but I thought better. Anyway, thank you

998
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:14,719
because the word is out. I I have heard
from several people. My name was in the

999
01:20:12,320 --> 01:20:19,520
Rutland paper. I did not know the
gentleman was on, which is fine, but I

1000
01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:25,440
do think that it's made a difference. I
know school starting soon, but I think

1001
01:20:22,480 --> 01:20:31,440
there's a a a twinge of fear and
awareness and um something is happening.

1002
01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:36,719
The rain's not keeping the kids in or
the idiot adults that were doing

1003
01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:42,960
wheelies on 73. So, I'm glad that we
talked about it and that people need to

1004
01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:47,520
be safe. We sure don't need stupidity to
ruin lives and not following the rules,

1005
01:20:45,520 --> 01:20:51,600
but you're all about safety, not about
freedom, but safe. So, thank you.

1006
01:20:50,239 --> 01:20:57,400
» Thank you.
>> I have a you

1007
01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:57,400
have

1008
01:20:57,520 --> 01:21:02,640
I was trying to get to Brian here. Go
ahead. [laughter]

1009
01:21:00,320 --> 01:21:07,679
So, when I was heading home from a
meeting on Wednesday night last week,

1010
01:21:05,120 --> 01:21:13,679
here's somebody coming down 73 towards
town all in black on one of them scooter

1011
01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:18,159
thingies. And I'm just like once he gets
to the curves that the car came, he

1012
01:21:16,080 --> 01:21:22,480
wouldn't even have seen him. So then
another day I'm heading home and I'm

1013
01:21:20,719 --> 01:21:26,960
going by the Forestdale post office. You
know how you round in the corner? Two

1014
01:21:24,560 --> 01:21:33,760
kids were on their little scooters and
the one ended up on the in he he

1015
01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:38,719
put it down. He ended up on the
pavement, but if I'd been 5 seconds,

1016
01:21:37,440 --> 01:21:43,600
he wouldn't have been able to stop and I
would have hit him. And the look on his

1017
01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:48,480
face when he was in the the ground, you
know, it was like that was close. His

1018
01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:54,159
buddy was a hair behind him, so he was
able to stop. you know, he scooted it

1019
01:21:51,040 --> 01:21:57,920
this way, but that kid wasn't able to or
I would have hit him because I wouldn't

1020
01:21:55,520 --> 01:22:01,280
have had time to react. That's how they
don't realize. And maybe they will now,

1021
01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:03,360
but
>> they might.

1022
01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:06,960
» Yeah.
>> This where Doug Bailey makes his stupid

1023
01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:09,840
remarks. He says five more seconds.
Right.

1024
01:22:08,080 --> 01:22:12,000
» I have two two tiny quick things on
that.

1025
01:22:10,159 --> 01:22:16,320
» Okay, go for it.
Um, first off, I've said it before,

1026
01:22:14,480 --> 01:22:20,960
eventually
someone's going to die, and I don't want

1027
01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:24,000
that to happen, and we should all be
very vigilant to make sure that doesn't

1028
01:22:22,400 --> 01:22:28,960
happen. Um, I did have a really good
conversation with a a parent of young,

1029
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:33,360
you know, bike riding kids, um, who
isn't keyed into selectboard stuff and,

1030
01:22:31,199 --> 01:22:37,199
you know, um, and really just didn't
realize the extent of the problem and

1031
01:22:35,440 --> 01:22:41,520
that their children were probably
participating in it. Um, and they made a

1032
01:22:40,159 --> 01:22:45,760
very clear point to me that once they
were aware of it, they are going to put

1033
01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:49,760
a kibaash on their kids behavior. So, if
you know folks who might not be in the

1034
01:22:48,159 --> 01:22:53,199
know of this discussion or if we can get
that word out more, um, I think some of

1035
01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:57,520
it is just people not being quite aware
of the the severity of it.

1036
01:22:55,840 --> 01:23:03,600
» I did I did think the Rutland Herald
articles probably got the word out there

1037
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:07,120
a little bit too, so that helped.
>> Motion to adjurnn.

1038
01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:10,480
» Second.
All in favor of joining say