1 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:32,519 Excuse me, Representative. I need to start. 2 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:40,520 » I call this meeting to order. Um, if you would follow along with the pledge of 3 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:40,520 allegiance. 4 00:00:40,719 --> 00:00:50,960 Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the 5 00:00:46,399 --> 00:00:56,000 republic for it stands one nation indivisible with liberty and justice for 6 00:00:53,920 --> 00:01:01,079 all. >> Thank you madame clerk. We get a roll 7 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:01,079 call please. 8 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:03,680 » Yes I am here. >> Lucas 9 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:04,960 » present. >> Cooper 10 00:01:04,479 --> 00:01:05,840 » here. >> Milton 11 00:01:05,519 --> 00:01:06,799 » here. >> Denim 12 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:08,240 » here. >> Schles 13 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:11,119 » here. Williams >> present. 14 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:16,720 » Your honor, you have a quorum. >> On our agenda is discussion of the city 15 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:20,320 of Branson's 2027 legislative priorities. 16 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:30,200 This is a continued discussion from the July 14th, 2026 and August 11th, 2026 17 00:01:26,799 --> 00:01:30,200 study sessions. 18 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:37,600 And so we'll get a report from Alex. >> Uh good evening, mayor and board. Uh 19 00:01:35,439 --> 00:01:41,439 this is the third continuation of our study sessions for the legislative 20 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:45,040 priorities for the city. Uh this conversation includes both state and 21 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:48,159 local priorities. In the past, we've gotten through all of the state 22 00:01:46,320 --> 00:01:50,640 priorities and the majority of the local legislative priorities. And this 23 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:56,759 evening, we'll be finishing up discussion on the remaining city 24 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:56,759 legislative priorities. 25 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:11,520 Um for our proposed timeline, um after tonight's discussion, we'd be looking to 26 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:16,160 compile a resolution of all the city and state priorities into two separate 27 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:20,239 resolutions to bring back to this body for adoption that would help guide the 28 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:23,360 next legislative session at the state level as well as guide the local 29 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:28,800 legislative session for the board of alderman to champion these ideas. 30 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:33,760 Um we went through a number of these last time and we'll resume where we left 31 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:33,760 off. 32 00:02:38,640 --> 00:02:47,599 Um, I believe we got through number 20. Uh, we're writing Highway 165 sidewalks. 33 00:02:45,519 --> 00:02:51,840 Uh, the next opport the next legislative item on the list was opportunity zones 34 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:54,800 2.0. A number of you had reached out regarding this item and so I'd like to 35 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:59,080 turn over the board uh for those that sponsored this item to give an overview. 36 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:07,280 Um, did we not end at 19 on the list? 37 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:10,280 » We can go back to number 20 if that's helpful. 38 00:03:12,879 --> 00:03:18,840 Would the board like to go back to number 20? Thank you. 39 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:25,440 Okay. Uh these are I we just I think we stopped right before 19 on the last 40 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:29,760 meeting and I know that we can zoom through these next three at least very 41 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:36,159 quickly. These are some of the ones that I um submitted, but Highway 165 42 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:41,599 sidewalks um I'm just going to read what I wrote for this. It Highway 165 serves 43 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:44,959 far more than vehicle traffic. It connects residential neighborhoods, 44 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:48,720 schools, businesses, attractions, and employment. Yet portions of the corridor 45 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:52,959 provide no safe pedestrian infrastructure for the people who walk, 46 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:58,319 bike, or otherwise travel without a vehicle. Um, we have actually already 47 00:03:55,920 --> 00:04:03,360 made very meaningful progress towards getting the sidewalks along Highway 165 48 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:09,280 recognized as a transportation priority. So now we are petitioning SIMCOG to 49 00:04:06,239 --> 00:04:14,879 recognize it as well as a priority. And I'm convinced that chief of staff, 50 00:04:12,239 --> 00:04:18,239 Alex, Michael, Matt, and their teams are doing a great job making these 51 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:22,400 connections and keeping it in front and center. So, it's not so much a uh I 52 00:04:20,799 --> 00:04:27,360 think the legislative part on this one was to reach out to SIMCOG, but we've 53 00:04:25,199 --> 00:04:30,520 already made that progress, so we're doing good. 54 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:40,639 I'll go ahead with opportunity zones. I put that one up there as well. um with 55 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:46,160 the emphasis on Highway 76 and how obviously it's important the corridor 56 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:50,240 and the blighted area of it. Um as Missouri moves through the process of 57 00:04:47,919 --> 00:04:54,560 identifying its next opportunity zones, Branson should always actively be 58 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:59,600 advocating for the governor to select the proposed areas that we submitted. Um 59 00:04:57,199 --> 00:05:05,520 and one of those includes the Highway 76 corridor. So, I'm not quite sure who 60 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:09,919 knows the governor um and or if it's our lobbyist that could reach out to him. I 61 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:16,400 just thought maybe it would be a good idea to um you know, put that bug in his 62 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:20,800 ear. It's a great opportunity first to position Branson to compete for private 63 00:05:18,479 --> 00:05:25,039 investment by having it approved as an opportunity zone and to give property 64 00:05:23,039 --> 00:05:30,400 owners, developers, and businesses another potential incentive to reinvest 65 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:35,120 in aging properties and bring new ideas to the corridor. So, um, if we're going 66 00:05:33,199 --> 00:05:40,320 to remain competitive and we have Highway 76 for the next generation of 67 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:44,320 visitors, residents, and businesses, we definitely need to be pursuing every 68 00:05:41,840 --> 00:05:50,479 reasonable tool available. um for thoughtful reinvestment. So, it 69 00:05:47,280 --> 00:05:54,880 was kind of I mean, can somebody tell the governor we really need these 70 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:57,689 approved? I don't know, but if we can, we should. [laughter] 71 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:03,800 » Okay. What's next? 72 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:12,479 » Uh the following three items were added um as part of our last meeting. Uh Clay, 73 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:15,039 you may want to jump in on this one. I know this is something that's been a 74 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:19,440 priority of yours. Uh the tunnel tunnel towers program. Um we had explored uh 75 00:06:17,840 --> 00:06:23,179 recently this program and I think Clay you had asked at one of the meetings to 76 00:06:20,639 --> 00:06:27,280 have this included on the list. [clears throat] 77 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:34,960 » Uh yeah I brought this what year and a half ago or so. Uh and you did your due 78 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:40,319 diligence and and got a we we had a zoom call meeting the mayor and I and I think 79 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:45,520 Kathy and you were in there. Uh, and I know that there's um, 80 00:06:43,919 --> 00:06:50,880 one of the first things that I remember is that for our small population, it's 81 00:06:49,039 --> 00:06:54,479 going to be kind of tough to because most of the places that they've built, I 82 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:57,759 think there's maybe a dozen or 13 of these around the the country. And what 83 00:06:56,479 --> 00:07:03,919 and if you're not familiar with it, what they're what I was inquiring about is a 84 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:09,520 uh they do a a veterans village where they they take blighted hotels, 85 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:16,479 refurbish the hotels and turn them into uh veterans villages for uh veterans 86 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:21,280 with low income or homeless veterans. Uh and it's all, you know, income based and 87 00:07:18,639 --> 00:07:25,759 this and this and that. But it's really a a great opportunity. Uh, I just like 88 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:29,919 to, you know, I I don't want to give up on it. I know I know it's going to be 89 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:33,280 tough for us because of the size of our community, uh, because I know they got 90 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:38,639 one in Houston and they're usually larger cities where they have these, but 91 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:43,120 we have plenty of blighted hotels. Um, and and I know we have at at one point 92 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:48,960 when I checked a few years ago, there were uh on record 78 homeless veterans, 93 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:54,879 and I'm sure there's more than that now. Um, and kind of tie into that, my my 94 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:59,280 wife and I had a meeting with uh a couple hour meeting with Michelle Dean 95 00:07:56,479 --> 00:08:03,120 from Christian Action Minute from CAM uh day before yesterday. We did a full 96 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:07,759 walkth through with her and she kind of showed us what goes on and how they do 97 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:12,560 things and stuff and the discussion came up about, you know, all the extended 98 00:08:10,639 --> 00:08:17,120 stays and wouldn't it be great to turn those into actual converted one room 99 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:20,720 living apartments and stuff. So that kind of falls into that same thing. But 100 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:24,560 yeah, I just think that that would be a really great opportunity. And Tunnel to 101 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:29,440 Towers is one of the biggest organizations in the world right now. 102 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:35,120 And if we could get them on board uh for to come help our veterans in the most 103 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:39,680 patriotic city in America, I think we uh it it I sure want to keep following up 104 00:08:37,279 --> 00:08:44,000 to that and see what the next step is. What is the next step? Another phone 105 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:48,560 call or >> Yes, we could pursue another phone call. 106 00:08:45,839 --> 00:08:52,240 we had identified a fiveacre tract uh of land. They tend to look at fiveacre 107 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:56,720 tracks of land that are easily developable uh to place their veterans 108 00:08:54,399 --> 00:09:00,640 village community on. Um and so we identified a number of city-owned 109 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:05,360 properties that could do that. Um one of the things that they mentioned of course 110 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:09,040 was proximity to a VA uh hospital which of course Branson has but population 111 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:15,360 size seemed to be one of the the drawback. They have a ton of of of 112 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:18,480 communities approaching them and of course they want to have the support 113 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:21,920 assets of maybe a larger municipality. So that's just something that we could 114 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:26,880 push further uh and further explore with them. But yes, probably a phone call and 115 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:33,600 um maybe a little bit more firm um set of plans and a tangible offer of maybe a 116 00:09:30,959 --> 00:09:37,720 land donation or something to that tune. >> Okay. Well, thank you for that. 117 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:43,600 » Uh the next two items uh I believe Alderman Williams submitted uh and I can 118 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:48,240 turn it over to him to explain. Thank you. 119 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:51,680 Yeah. So, number 23, um, when we're looking at I know we're doing 120 00:09:49,519 --> 00:09:55,680 comprehensive review of of planning and and other things. This came up, uh, 121 00:09:54,320 --> 00:10:01,760 through a couple of different alderman actually, particularly the last one was 122 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:06,240 in W 2. Um, but just defining what terms like adjacent property light nuisance 123 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:10,880 issues are. So, like it's called out in several areas of the in the code versus 124 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:15,040 like, you know, is it a security light that shoots across the street? is it um 125 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:18,160 you know what does that look like because you don't want government coming 126 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:21,839 in enforcing absolutely everything but just clarity of what the term means in 127 00:10:20,399 --> 00:10:28,560 the code. So again, I don't know that this one um independently will carry its 128 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:33,200 own uh legislative priority, but it's it's something as we're doing the maybe 129 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:37,920 the grander grander scheme of things review, something to discuss with the 130 00:10:35,680 --> 00:10:43,839 team and the planning department. And then the last item, I believe during the 131 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:48,640 last study session, we had a a discussion as a group about Branson's 132 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:52,640 past with this topic and that um if there's a desire to move forward with 133 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:57,839 something like that, um they're going to need a head nod prior to the legislature 134 00:10:55,279 --> 00:11:02,720 going to pre-filing. And so it' be a timely a timely way to go about adding 135 00:11:00,560 --> 00:11:06,720 that to our list if the the colleagues here were agreeable. It didn't seem like 136 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:10,720 anybody was opposed to the idea uh during the last study session. So, I 137 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:16,160 figured it should be on the list so that we can take some decisive steps towards 138 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:23,120 that for pre-filing. >> I agree with that, Alex. Um I know that 139 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:29,279 there was an attempt of this um six, eight years ago and at the time 140 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:34,800 the board of alderman they approved this when it went to the state um the state 141 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:44,880 denied it. Um yeah, so years have passed. It makes 142 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:52,880 sense. Um I think it I think it's viable to be on our state 143 00:11:48,640 --> 00:12:00,160 um priority list for a legislation. Um, I think the way to start this though 144 00:11:55,680 --> 00:12:08,160 would be to have a study session to get and advertise it so we can get um our 145 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:14,639 citizens input because this is a my opinion this should be a citizen 146 00:12:12,079 --> 00:12:21,760 based decision whether we want to go this route. It's 147 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:26,639 involving um liquor sales in Branson. So 148 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:32,560 maybe what we'll do is we'll get um Becky to present to this board what the 149 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:37,440 description of what it is that they were going to be requesting. 150 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:42,399 Um and then I still think we need to have a study session to get community 151 00:12:39,839 --> 00:12:46,000 input. Glenn. 152 00:12:44,399 --> 00:12:51,600 » Yeah. I would say the other thing we should do in conjunction with that is at 153 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:58,399 least outline uh what the local ordinances would be 154 00:12:54,639 --> 00:13:04,000 that would enable this because um I you know we do not have code right 155 00:13:01,519 --> 00:13:09,200 now to deal with this type of issue on a permanent basis. So for example, you 156 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:13,279 know, we're not going to allow it in the parking lots. we're not going to allow 157 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:18,000 it on the boardwalk, you know, we're not going to allow it on the access roads 158 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:23,519 and that, you know, they have to have sufficient security or perimeter control 159 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:27,040 in some fashion to ensure that that happens. And I think the other thing 160 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:31,920 that would be a question of the community is what hours will this be 161 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:33,279 allowed for? And you know, that would be another 162 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:39,600 » Yeah. >> or 163 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:44,399 ordinance overlay that um we could you know, I think at least outline so 164 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:48,880 that we're sure that what we would envision and what the landing is 165 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:54,399 envisioning and what the community thinks this is would all kind of align. 166 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:58,639 That's good, Glenn. I think those are all the things that Becky would bring up 167 00:13:56,000 --> 00:14:02,720 during her presentation and those would be the same things we would address 168 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:07,279 during the U study session. Ruth, 169 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:12,240 » thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, I believe that the Branson Landing is currently zoned 170 00:14:09,519 --> 00:14:16,880 plan development. So, it would just need to be an amended because it is an 171 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:22,480 overlay and it's an existing overlay. So, it would just need to be amended on 172 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:26,480 whatever is decided changes. >> Yeah. And I'm not sure, Ruth, but I 173 00:14:24,079 --> 00:14:32,320 think it needed state approval because it addressed our liquor laws. 174 00:14:29,519 --> 00:14:36,079 » Yes. But all the other um items that were discussed 175 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:39,079 » would be amendment. Yeah. That'd be great. 176 00:14:39,199 --> 00:14:44,720 » Alex, did you >> uh Mayor, great points. Community's got 177 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:49,040 to drive it. And so, um what's interesting to me about that is it's 178 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:54,079 just another creative way for us to say, "Hey, Branson wants uh folks to come and 179 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:58,800 visit. There's a responsible way to do this, but by no means should we, as the 180 00:14:56,800 --> 00:15:06,320 elected officials do anything with it until the community blesses off on it, 181 00:15:01,839 --> 00:15:06,320 » right? Anybody else? 182 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:16,760 » [clears throat] >> So the next items you've all seen 183 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:16,760 here 184 00:15:27,199 --> 00:15:32,800 accomplish this into getting this into a manageable, workable and actual 185 00:15:30,959 --> 00:15:38,760 executionable type of priority list would be, you 186 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:38,760 know, possibly on the statement. 187 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:45,920 Uh they have contractual um uh they have a relatively small contract with the 188 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:50,560 city, right? And so I think we have to be conscious of that. Um maybe you pick 189 00:15:48,639 --> 00:15:54,880 as a board and a governing body the top three issues that you'd like to bring to 190 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:59,759 the lobbyist. Uh that those are code changes potentially or maybe a list of 191 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:03,680 additional items that are more policy statements. Right. I think the truth and 192 00:16:01,519 --> 00:16:06,959 fees bill if that's something the board supports that's something the lobbyists 193 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:11,199 can easily work in and not be a full-time issue that they're working on. 194 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:14,399 Um but if a tourism tax amendment issue right for the the city's statutory 195 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:18,480 authority for tourism tax that's a larger burden obviously so that maybe 196 00:16:15,839 --> 00:16:22,880 fall on one of the three. Um but you may wish to approach that. Um our 197 00:16:20,639 --> 00:16:26,399 recommendation as staff of course is these are all fantastic ideas. There's 198 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:29,199 only so much time right that we can get these things done in these in these 199 00:16:27,759 --> 00:16:32,720 legislative sessions both in the state level and local level. So being very 200 00:16:31,279 --> 00:16:36,399 strategic on which ones we want to accomplish and which ones need to be top 201 00:16:34,639 --> 00:16:40,880 of the list priority of impact to the community might be a consideration you 202 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:45,199 have. Um but I'm of course as staff we're open to uh whatever way the board 203 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:50,720 would like to um prioritize these and getting these into resolution forms. On 204 00:16:47,759 --> 00:16:55,199 the local level you may wish to have 15 or so. Um I think we have more bandwidth 205 00:16:53,199 --> 00:16:59,440 here on the local level with staff and city administration to navigate some of 206 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:03,279 these changes. Uh, it may also be something that the board wants to wants 207 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:06,480 to divvy out and sponsor as individual alderman. There are certain issues that 208 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:09,520 are really important to your ward that you've added to this list. Maybe that's 209 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:13,919 something that you want to sponsor as an alderman um to help add on to the to the 210 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:17,439 bandwidth and and ability to get these things across the finish line. So, I 211 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:20,799 will respectfully turn it over to the board and the mayor uh but here to 212 00:17:18,959 --> 00:17:27,439 answer any questions if needed. >> Great input, Alex. I think um one of the 213 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:36,080 first things we should do is take this list of 24 and divide it into these are 214 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:42,799 really I believe two separate list intended to be two separate list. One is 215 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:49,360 what list do we want to sit with our lobbyist and our state rep that we want 216 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:55,120 to go to the state with to make changes which will be a short list out of this 217 00:17:51,280 --> 00:18:01,760 24. The other items on this list either have been done or they're just decisions 218 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:08,320 for our local board and city administration to work on. So, out of 219 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:12,400 the first 24, I think we could quickly go through and 220 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:16,559 just earmark which ones are state, which ones are local. 221 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:20,640 » Uh, yes. And, um, I've just pulled up here onto the PowerPoint. These are 222 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:25,840 generally the list of state priorities that were introduced both from staff and 223 00:18:23,120 --> 00:18:29,440 from the alderman uh, and mayor. And so, maybe it's a simple as uh, the board 224 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:32,240 leading through and and looking to see here, are there are there two or three 225 00:18:31,039 --> 00:18:35,840 items that the board would like to designate? um that we can then compile 226 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:41,520 into resolution coming back on September 8th uh of true policy items. Um you 227 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:45,600 know, policy items off this list uh would probably include the Branson 228 00:18:43,039 --> 00:18:50,960 Tourism Tax modernization. Um 229 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:55,679 truth and fees act, uh local health and safety authority for extended stay. um 230 00:18:54,000 --> 00:19:00,640 city licensing and health and safety inspection for group homes, uh ticket 231 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:06,559 seller loopholes, uh amendment of 94.815 for the per 232 00:19:03,919 --> 00:19:11,760 permissible uses of the tourism tax. Those are more um true legislative 233 00:19:09,360 --> 00:19:16,559 statutory changes and I would classify the rest as general polic policy support 234 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:22,080 statements. >> So again, would you remind us on the 235 00:19:19,120 --> 00:19:29,280 grants and tourism tax modernization? >> Correct. Uh that was two general um 236 00:19:25,919 --> 00:19:34,160 areas. One was uh to adjust possibly the restaurant rate 237 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:39,520 that was an item of possibly um changing the tourism tax. Uh the type of tax or 238 00:19:37,679 --> 00:19:43,679 the actually the the collection of tax from ticket resellers. 239 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:47,840 Uh there's also a conversation about uh changing the spending ratio of tourism 240 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:54,960 versus infrastructure. And then there was also um tourism tax modernization uh 241 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:58,480 to allow uh the existing tourism tax to include financing the construction of a 242 00:19:56,799 --> 00:20:00,720 sports facility. So those were all components wrapped into that one bullet 243 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:05,880 point. >> So who proposed the uh change in the 244 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:05,880 ratio? 245 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:13,520 Lyn, >> I I think I put a number of those things 246 00:20:11,120 --> 00:20:19,840 on the list. And just to explain the intent, it was just as we got into the 247 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:25,039 seven-year capital plan, it was to capture all the possibilities 248 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:29,679 within the tourism tax that could be done to support the outcome of the 249 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:34,880 seven-year capital plan. So, I didn't really intend that all those things 250 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:40,240 would go forward. I really just wanted because I spent a fair amount of time 251 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:44,480 looking at um both the state code talking with local business leaders 252 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:49,840 about some of the history and what their issues were with the current structure 253 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:54,799 and I just wanted to capture all the possibilities. Uh I I think it would 254 00:20:52,720 --> 00:21:00,799 almost be foolhardy to try to do all those just to be clear. But hopefully 255 00:20:58,559 --> 00:21:06,799 once we get into the seven-year capital plan, it'll become clear what some of 256 00:21:03,120 --> 00:21:10,360 our better priorities are out of that list. 257 00:21:11,120 --> 00:21:18,799 » Um, just in summary, I I think the the key policy statutory changes that might 258 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:22,799 be amended may include the ticket reseller issue, the collection of 259 00:21:20,159 --> 00:21:27,600 tourism tax on ticket resellers. I think there's also the permissible use of 260 00:21:24,799 --> 00:21:33,360 tourism tax for parks, trails, indoor sports facility, sports, tourism. I 261 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:38,960 think also um one of the other items in there is possibly changing the ratio of 262 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:42,960 the 75% infrastructure and 25% um 263 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:47,200 marketing. I think it's advantageous if you were to go approach the legislature, 264 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:51,200 you may want to address those issues in mass. Uh, of course, every single issue, 265 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:54,400 the ticket resell, you're going to be dealing with, different stakeholder 266 00:21:52,159 --> 00:21:58,640 groups, different constituencies, right? Um, I think it's really up to the sport 267 00:21:55,919 --> 00:22:02,559 to decide what component of all those components do you want to address in a 268 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:05,600 in a possible statutory change, which is the most important that maybe you want 269 00:22:03,679 --> 00:22:12,400 to go after this session and in a future session continue to go after. 270 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:20,640 » So, Alex, I'm still not sure of who's bringing up the ratio, the 7525, 271 00:22:17,120 --> 00:22:25,760 and Why is there some rationale of adjusting that? Is there any 272 00:22:23,919 --> 00:22:30,799 » information supporting that? >> That was submitted by an alderman and I 273 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:35,440 defer. >> Yeah, I I think I was the one that 274 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:40,240 submitted that. So, um it's not a rationale to support it yet. It's just 275 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:44,320 listing again one of the options as we look for funding and how we could 276 00:22:41,919 --> 00:22:50,480 achieve some of the things on our longer term capital list. So, it's not it's not 277 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:55,200 specific. It's not a baked suggestion. It's just one of those things that we 278 00:22:52,240 --> 00:23:01,039 could look at. And I did have some follow-on conversations since we started 279 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:04,799 these study sessions uh with some uh people in the community. And one of the 280 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:10,400 things that came out in the discussion was the issue of ticket retailers has to 281 00:23:08,559 --> 00:23:13,840 some degree, you know, and I think you've been 282 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:19,039 involved, mayor, in this and Clay is involved in this, to some degree kind of 283 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:25,760 shopped around in the past to try to change some of this. And it seemed like 284 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:30,640 the notion that um ticket sellers are providing a service rather than selling 285 00:23:28,799 --> 00:23:36,880 tickets was the genesis of the divide in 286 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:39,679 philosophy. And if I can just kind of use those words. So 287 00:23:39,039 --> 00:23:45,200 » smile. >> Yeah. Nice little smile with it. Yeah. 288 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:51,039 So maybe one of the starting points of that is the other bullet that's up there 289 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:55,520 is that um uh maybe it's not under this one. I'm 290 00:23:54,000 --> 00:24:01,440 not seeing it right off the top, but there was a truth in fees component. 291 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:07,120 » Yeah. >> Right. To say, okay, if you're a ticket 292 00:24:04,159 --> 00:24:13,360 reseller, you got to be honest. What is your fee in this ticket and what is the 293 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:20,080 ticket price? Then I think if all of that history is true, then I think you 294 00:24:16,799 --> 00:24:26,400 could mandate that taxes be collected on the ticket part of that transaction. So 295 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:31,279 it would not only make it clear to the consumers what's happening. And you 296 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:35,840 know, that was one of my feedbacks I got from a few new people to Branson was 297 00:24:33,360 --> 00:24:42,080 they were shocked how expensive our tickets were until they found out that 298 00:24:38,799 --> 00:24:44,320 40% of that was the fees by the company that was selling it. 299 00:24:43,279 --> 00:24:49,440 » Not from the box office. >> Yeah. Not from the box office. And so I 300 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:54,320 think we fixed two things potentially at once if we want to go down that path. 301 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:59,200 You know, have the ticket resellers have to expose what their fee is. And now you 302 00:24:57,279 --> 00:25:04,480 can legitimately tax the ticket part of that sale. Just my thought. Anyhow, 303 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:09,600 » I think the one component of that to mention is the ticket reseller does not 304 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:12,799 collect tourism tax. And so if you do, there wouldn't basically be anything to 305 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:15,600 disclose. >> Yeah. 306 00:25:13,919 --> 00:25:20,559 » So logically, it would increase the amount of tourism tax we'd collect if we 307 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:24,799 can go down this path. It would >> Yeah. 308 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:32,080 Um, there's also the analogy of when Walmart buys hammers by the gross and 309 00:25:29,360 --> 00:25:36,400 they pay $5 for a hammer. When they put it on their shelf to sell it, they're 310 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:42,320 selling it for $20. Well, they pay tax on the $20. 311 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:49,200 Tickets is the opposite. You buy wholesale for five, you pay tax on five. 312 00:25:45,120 --> 00:25:52,559 So, that's obviously a worthy um endeavor to go down. 313 00:25:53,600 --> 00:26:00,640 Mr. Mayor. >> Sure. The other the other thought on 314 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:06,720 that is um oh I just lost my train of thought about 315 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:12,400 what you were just saying is oh um if we try to contain this issue of collecting 316 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:18,640 tourism tax strictly within the Branson tax code rather than trying to make it a 317 00:26:16,159 --> 00:26:25,840 broader tax discussion. We may not attract the attention of all 318 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:30,880 the big ticket reseller lobbyists because they don't really play the game 319 00:26:28,559 --> 00:26:37,120 in Branson. You know, they're out in KC and St. Louis in those locations. And we 320 00:26:33,919 --> 00:26:41,520 may be able to avoid some of the usual resistance that we would run into in 321 00:26:39,120 --> 00:26:46,320 Jeff City. Well, and that's that's what kind of shut us down years ago is it it 322 00:26:44,559 --> 00:26:50,480 got out and here comes ticket master and all these big companies going h 323 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:55,120 » the challenge that you have though is that as a fourth class city we're not 324 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:58,720 able we don't have that authority to be able to exert that kind of taxing 325 00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:00,960 authority other than what the state allows and 326 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:05,679 » yeah and this is the discussion about the state priorities though that's what 327 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:10,640 I'm talking about is specifically ask our representatives to go after a change 328 00:27:08,159 --> 00:27:16,000 like this within in the state statute that enables our tourism tax because 329 00:27:13,120 --> 00:27:21,360 it's unique to Branson. It's Branson's tourism tax. Nobody else uses that 330 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:26,320 section of code. And so we might fly a little bit more under radar if we 331 00:27:24,159 --> 00:27:29,600 structure it the right way. >> If I remember correctly, Jeff Justice 332 00:27:28,159 --> 00:27:33,760 was the representative that sponsored the last bill. And I think it actually 333 00:27:31,120 --> 00:27:36,799 combined two issues. Uh and that's why a lot of the attention from Ticket Master 334 00:27:35,120 --> 00:27:41,039 and Expedia was included. And I think it was on hotels in particular. So to 335 00:27:40,159 --> 00:27:44,640 Glenn's point, >> but yeah, we can work with them to 336 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:49,120 create a carve out, you know, unice fourth class city of certain size with 337 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:54,000 certain whatevers and customize it, right? So we can work on that on uh I 338 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:59,760 just got a clarification question for all of you. I when Alex brought up the 339 00:27:57,360 --> 00:28:05,039 having an alderman sponsor an issue, this would be really helpful to us as 340 00:28:01,679 --> 00:28:09,200 staff and that um once we've triaged and we find out what's your top three or 341 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:14,080 five for state priorities to get you whatever alderman wants to be a part of 342 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:16,960 those conversations in early with our team to start working through the 343 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:21,679 language and making sure we're hitting the mark on what you want to be said in 344 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:25,679 final legislation would be really helpful to me. Um, and then I would be 345 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:30,080 assuming that you guys would be kind of be bouncing ideas off of each other on 346 00:28:27,919 --> 00:28:34,159 and kind of gauging support without violating any sunshine rules, of course. 347 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:38,960 But [clears throat] to be able to collaborate with others and your input 348 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:42,720 from constituents in your districts or in your wards, I mean, would be very 349 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:47,039 helpful to us, too. I think we can get a lot of the um maybe unnecessary noise 350 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:53,000 out of the way up front by having an alderman sponsor some of these things. 351 00:28:48,799 --> 00:28:53,000 So, I would greatly appreciate that. 352 00:28:53,520 --> 00:29:02,320 And again, if we have constituents that are asking 353 00:28:58,399 --> 00:29:08,559 to adjust the ratio, I don't know if the drive is to increase the amount of 354 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:12,720 marketing dollars or increase the percentage of monies going to 355 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:20,320 infrastructure. So if that's not something that is is a 356 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:27,159 priority, then I think part of making progress on this list is to start 357 00:29:22,799 --> 00:29:27,159 weeding out some of those things. 358 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:32,520 Anybody else? 359 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:41,520 What I'm again on the practicality of this, I'm trying to figure out what's 360 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:46,240 the best way for us to utilize your time. I'm finding out what are your top 361 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:53,200 out of the state submittals. What are your top five? Do you want to do that 362 00:29:49,679 --> 00:29:57,200 here? Should I do I mean I don't know if a poll of some sort or how how do you 363 00:29:55,279 --> 00:30:02,000 guys if you all email me what your top five are and we can cross reference and 364 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:06,960 the highest vote total gets the triage list. I'm just trying to figure out how 365 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:12,720 you want me to go about that. I think the healthiest way would be 366 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:16,880 since this is a public discussion is to have these discussions so the public can 367 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:21,600 hear what we're thinking and saying and we could get input from the public on 368 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:24,919 what directions they would like to see us go. 369 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:32,080 So, we have I'm gonna and I should have started out 370 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:39,760 the meeting at the beginning, but I say this meeting will end at say 5:30. 371 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:46,720 Um, so we have time if you want to start going through and I'm asking all the 372 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:53,440 aldermen to give their input on which one of these items are priorities 373 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:58,399 and which ones can wait so we can start narrowing down this list. 374 00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:02,240 » You want me to hop in here too? Um, I guess does the does the board generally 375 00:31:00,159 --> 00:31:06,360 support amending the tourism tax? I think that might be a first starting 376 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,360 point. 377 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:14,080 » Alex, >> thanks, Mayor. Um, I believe that that 378 00:31:11,919 --> 00:31:19,520 is on the table. It's it's been talked about a lot. Um, we have other 379 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:24,799 discussions that are related to it and amending it at the state 380 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:28,880 changes the definition which obviously opens up the opportunity to use it or 381 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:35,200 not use it at the local level because we will have local level uh influence uh on 382 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:40,480 any adjustments that are made there. So I I would say that we wouldn't want to 383 00:31:36,799 --> 00:31:45,279 leave that on the table. Um there it's something that we need to get amended. 384 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:49,600 Okay. I agree with that. Any other alderman 385 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:55,000 feel a yes or no on that? >> Yeah, I agree with that. 386 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:55,000 » I agree also. 387 00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:07,159 » I need some um clarification. Amend section 94815. 388 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:07,159 Is that basically what 1646 was doing? 389 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:13,679 » And that's what we're saying we want to do. Um 390 00:32:11,919 --> 00:32:19,519 » Ashley, what was >> Yes. Uh 391 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:24,080 94.815 that's the tourism tax uh statute that pertains to how the 75% 392 00:32:22,399 --> 00:32:29,360 distribution and the permissible uses of that. Um so yes uh if you go back to 393 00:32:26,559 --> 00:32:32,880 this item the third bullet here that says expand allowable uses of the 394 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:36,880 existing tourism tax to include sports indoor sports parks um public safety 395 00:32:35,279 --> 00:32:39,919 pedestrian safety quarter infrastructure tourism sporting capital of 396 00:32:38,159 --> 00:32:45,200 improvements. So it would generally reflect the language that was in the 397 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:48,880 proposed bill uh to allow the 75% infrastructure to be allowed for the 398 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:53,519 development, construction, maintenance of uh tourism producing uh 399 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:56,320 infrastructure inside the city. So it might be trail development. That was one 400 00:32:55,120 --> 00:33:01,120 of the items that we put inside the bill. It might also include indoor 401 00:32:58,399 --> 00:33:04,480 sports facilities. Um it could other it could also be expanded to include other 402 00:33:02,559 --> 00:33:09,679 priorities of the board as well. >> Sure. I um I unfortunately am not sure 403 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:13,840 that we're ready to say yes to that to the state legislation because we don't 404 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:19,039 know our infrastructure needs and that's the point of needing the capital plan is 405 00:33:15,919 --> 00:33:22,960 so that we have a better snapshot of what that money actually needs to go to 406 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:27,679 before we start taking from it and putting it in different places. And then 407 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:31,440 also that is my understanding that that would be a community discussion. I know 408 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:36,159 that this is an open forum, but this was not like, hey, let's talk about what we 409 00:33:34,159 --> 00:33:40,799 want to do with this specific item, and that one we need to really involve the 410 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:46,159 community in. So, I I don't know that I would be in favor of saying today, yes, 411 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:50,399 we need to move forward with that. >> Yeah, I don't think the question on the 412 00:33:47,519 --> 00:33:55,519 table is today, is it a yes or no to make that decision? The question is, is 413 00:33:53,120 --> 00:34:03,840 it a yes or no to keep it a priority to keep discussing it to make decisions? 414 00:33:59,919 --> 00:34:07,760 » Well, we need to keep discussing what that money needs to be used for 415 00:34:05,679 --> 00:34:11,760 before we discuss what else we want to use it for. Right. 416 00:34:10,240 --> 00:34:20,720 Well, I think in some of those discussions when we talk about the uh 417 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:26,399 the capital list is there's some things there that are wants, some are needs, 418 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:33,119 and this one in particular is an actual economic driver for the 419 00:34:29,679 --> 00:34:37,839 community, right? It generates revenues where the other things on that list do 420 00:34:35,839 --> 00:34:42,240 not actually generate revenues to the city. 421 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:47,040 But again, at this meeting, all we're wanting to discuss is we have 24 items 422 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:55,599 on here. We're not going to get through all 24. Do we want to pursue item number 423 00:34:51,599 --> 00:35:01,599 one and continue talking about it or do we want to move on to item number two? 424 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:06,160 » Yeah, thank you for that. I um at this point do not want to pursue item one 425 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:09,680 until we understand what we actually need those infrastructure dollars for. 426 00:35:07,839 --> 00:35:12,680 Okay, Marty, 427 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:25,119 » I agree that it's kind of putting the chicken before the horse a little bit. 428 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:29,520 Um we have discussed at length the the utilization of the 75% for different 429 00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:35,839 items including the indoor sports facility and um that is only one of the 430 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:42,560 uses that you have discussed tonight or that we have discussed as a group and I 431 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:50,320 I have to tend to agree with what Ashley has said that that I I am very 432 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:57,119 interested in these different points but I'm also very interested in the capital 433 00:35:54,240 --> 00:36:02,160 plan as to how these monies would be used. So, I'm not I'm gonna I would say 434 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:07,839 no. I don't want to do it at this time until we know for sure. 435 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:10,720 » Interesting, Glenn. 436 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:16,240 » Yeah, I'm kind of in the same boat. As much as I've worked on this one, you 437 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:21,839 know, and tried to list out what I think some of our options are in addition to 438 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:28,240 what was proposed in the past. I just feel that um there's there's two things 439 00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:33,520 for me. One, the seven-year capital plan really starts to dictate, you know, 440 00:36:30,720 --> 00:36:38,480 where do we need to put our investments as a city? What are our priorities? And 441 00:36:35,839 --> 00:36:42,640 then I think that starts to say, "Okay, now if those are our priorities, how are 442 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:48,640 we going to fund them?" And we're just not there yet. Um, I think the other 443 00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:54,640 thing is that for me personally, I'm waiting for the information about the 444 00:36:51,359 --> 00:36:59,599 correction of the uh tourism fund spending 445 00:36:56,720 --> 00:37:04,160 uh because we've got an issue where it appears, you know, that we're going to 446 00:37:01,599 --> 00:37:08,640 have to correct some fund balances here through the audit process. 447 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:16,160 And I'd like to see where that comes out as well because we may find ourselves 448 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:21,680 uh if I understand the math of it, we probably are putting as a result of that 449 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:26,720 would be putting money into the tourism part of the fund and taking it out of 450 00:37:23,599 --> 00:37:31,440 the infrastructure part of the fund. Um which would deplete the infrastructure 451 00:37:28,720 --> 00:37:35,839 fund. And I think that would enter into a decision-making process as well when 452 00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:41,160 you look at all the other things that you might want to do with that spending. 453 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:51,760 So are you saying that you're waiting to 454 00:37:46,720 --> 00:37:55,920 see if funds need to be transferred from whatever it was marketing to 455 00:37:53,520 --> 00:38:00,960 infrastructure? >> The other way around. It's likely that 456 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:05,680 it'll be a transfer from infrastructure to marketing, which would deplete what 457 00:38:03,839 --> 00:38:07,839 we think we have in infrastructure today, 458 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:12,160 » which >> is that a significant amount? 459 00:38:09,599 --> 00:38:17,920 » It's a It looks like it's about 1 and 3/4 million dollars a year, depending 460 00:38:15,359 --> 00:38:19,280 upon how many years it's been operating that way. 461 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:22,599 » Per year. >> Per year. 462 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,800 » For how many? >> It may be a little bit more. There's 463 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:31,040 also a question of the [cough] division of [clears throat] the interest income 464 00:38:28,720 --> 00:38:34,960 on those funds and how that should be treated. But I think the more central 465 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:41,839 part is the amount that uh was taken out of the 466 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:48,560 gross tourism fund before calculating the 2575 split. That amount is about one 467 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:49,839 and three/4ers per year for some number of years, 468 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:53,119 » right? >> 20 years. 469 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:55,760 » I don't know. I I have no idea. And that's what I'm waiting for. tourism tax 470 00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:59,520 passed >> that's sorry 471 00:38:57,599 --> 00:39:04,560 » 20 years ago didn't the tourism tax >> I don't know I don't know how long this 472 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:10,720 is an accounting issue and I don't know how long the accounting's run this way 473 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:15,520 right because what it does and maybe this is more detailed than we want to 474 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:19,119 get into now but because I assume we're pretty close to getting the audit 475 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:23,760 results but what it what was happening essentially was you have the gross 476 00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:28,240 tourism fund we were then deduct deducting 477 00:39:25,359 --> 00:39:33,440 um infrastructure debt from that gross tourism fund and that's that 1 and 3/4 478 00:39:31,359 --> 00:39:39,520 million. We're deducting that from the gross and then that residual amount the 479 00:39:37,359 --> 00:39:43,440 difference between those two was being divided 2575 480 00:39:41,839 --> 00:39:49,680 and that's not the way the state statutes read. The state statutes say 481 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:54,400 take the gross, divide it 2575, and if you're going to spend some on 482 00:39:51,440 --> 00:40:00,000 debt, take the 75 and divide it further into debt and direct spending. And we 483 00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:05,599 did it the other way around. We took it off the top line for the debt. And so 484 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:11,440 that suggests to me to my eyes that that means about one and three/4 million per 485 00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:15,760 year for however long we want to correct this for however long it was going on 486 00:40:13,599 --> 00:40:18,760 would go back into marketing out of infrastructure. 487 00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:24,400 » Okay. >> But as I said this is probably more than 488 00:40:21,599 --> 00:40:29,599 what we want for a legislative priorities discussion. It just answers 489 00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:36,119 to me it's part of the decision makingaking process as to what we want 490 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:36,119 to do relative to item number one. 491 00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:44,240 Okay. Well, I would say that has to be a priority, right? Because you're talking 492 00:40:41,119 --> 00:40:49,680 about some figure $20 million taking from one fund today and 493 00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:54,320 reimbursing another fund, right? 494 00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:57,680 » Potentially. Yeah. It's in the auditor's hands, so we'll find out what the 495 00:40:56,079 --> 00:41:01,440 recommendation is there. >> Okay, 496 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:04,720 » Abby. >> Um I I think what's important to 497 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:10,640 remember is a lot of these things can run on parallel tracks. So in um the 498 00:41:08,079 --> 00:41:17,920 best interest of planning and keeping things moving, I don't see a harm in us 499 00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:20,880 advocating for it. Again, I guess it just depends on how you feel about an 500 00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:25,119 indoor sports facility at the end of the day. So, but if you're generally in 501 00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:30,560 favor of the city pursuing this endeavor, then there's no harm in having 502 00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:35,760 our legislators and our lobbyists work on getting legislation to the floor 503 00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:39,839 through committees, um getting it signed by the governor if it's able to pass 504 00:41:37,599 --> 00:41:43,839 both houses of the legislature. In the meanwhile, we would be having those 505 00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:48,480 conversations about what is the seven-year capital plan, what is the 506 00:41:45,839 --> 00:41:53,599 split 7525, was it done right or wrong for the last 20 years? all those things 507 00:41:50,720 --> 00:41:58,160 can be rooted out and then you guys can even if it passes and the governor signs 508 00:41:55,599 --> 00:42:02,800 it, you don't have to execute on that. It's just there if in the future the 509 00:42:00,720 --> 00:42:08,800 city of Branson both the elected officials and the citizens who vote want 510 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:13,440 to take advantage of that elbow room. So I think in the interest of you know just 511 00:42:11,599 --> 00:42:17,440 keeping the conversation going in a positive direction on the potential of a 512 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:21,280 sports facility, I would say yes, you should support that. But if you don't 513 00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:27,440 want a sports facility or you're just super unsure, um, again, your check 514 00:42:24,079 --> 00:42:31,280 valve is the voters, actually you first before the voters. So you guys would 515 00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:33,760 have to say yes or no, even if it passes the legislature and gets signed by the 516 00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:39,200 governor. >> So that gives a little perspective. Yes, 517 00:42:36,319 --> 00:42:44,880 Arty. It would be a lot easier to discuss whether we wanted to pursue this 518 00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:48,560 if the sports facility wasn't on the table 519 00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:58,079 because it appears that that's what we're trying to fund. And if in fact 520 00:42:53,839 --> 00:43:05,119 we go ahead and send this up to the legislature 521 00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:08,240 and they don't pass it, then are we saying that there will be no 522 00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:11,280 sports facility? Is that what you're trying to say? 523 00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:16,079 » Unless you pass a new tax. That's correct. We don't have 4 million or 524 00:43:14,319 --> 00:43:20,400 whatever laying around per year to be able to fund something like this. 525 00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:22,800 Absolutely. And we've all as Teny County Partnership and a lot of the 526 00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:25,839 conversations that have been had over the years about this have always said 527 00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:29,200 that there would have to be an additional revenue source in order to 528 00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:33,599 fund something like this. I don't know of any community in the country that's 529 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:38,160 that's um built something like this and didn't have an additional revenue 530 00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:42,800 generator. Um so yeah, absolutely. And so I guess at the very base level of 531 00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:46,000 this, it depends on if you're thinking you could ever support a sports facility 532 00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:50,960 because if not, there's no need to support this. 533 00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:58,079 » Yeah. [snorts] Mr. Mayor. >> Yes. I'm sorry, Ruth. 534 00:43:52,400 --> 00:44:02,240 » Um, I think we need to remain focused on yes, we can take advantage of of it or 535 00:44:00,319 --> 00:44:07,200 not take advantage of it, but to take away 536 00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:12,319 the ability to let our voters vote on this, our citizens vote on this. I mean, 537 00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:16,240 they're the ones making the decision. We're just giving them an opportunity. 538 00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:21,920 If they really don't want it, we won't have it. if they do, which I have heard 539 00:44:20,079 --> 00:44:27,119 a lot of people speak in support of this. I mean, I do not want to take that 540 00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:30,000 right away from our voters. >> Very good point, 541 00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:34,480 » Ashley. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, I may need 542 00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:38,480 some more time to process this because when we did the feasibility study, 543 00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:42,720 pretty sure I remember the guy presenting it saying that even in the 544 00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:47,599 tourism fund, there was not enough money to make the payment for the bond for the 545 00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:50,800 sports complex. So, Um there needs to be additional information or did I 546 00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:54,720 understand that wrong? >> Uh correct that is incorrect 547 00:44:52,240 --> 00:44:58,800 unfortunately. Um the amount of revenues collected every year due to the economic 548 00:44:56,880 --> 00:45:03,280 impact driven by the sports facility does not pay for the facility 549 00:45:00,720 --> 00:45:08,240 year-over-year. So an additional revenue stream tax, tourism tax, etc. could 550 00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:12,800 support that. their analysis at bigger tilly was to look at the economic impact 551 00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:18,480 to the community outside of the building to to quantify the projected revenues of 552 00:45:15,839 --> 00:45:23,200 tourism tax, sales tax, etc. and then quantify that to what could support a 553 00:45:20,240 --> 00:45:29,520 payment. Those total total to the tune of 300 to $600,000 a year. Um, so no, if 554 00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:34,480 a bond payment was estimated to be a three million or four million, um, 555 00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:38,560 obviously 300,000 or so of tourism tax collected every single year would not be 556 00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:44,280 able to fulfill that entire payment. That was his findings of the report. 557 00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:44,280 » Thank you for that clarification. 558 00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:53,920 » Okay, >> Alex. Thanks, Mayor. Uh, would it be out 559 00:45:51,119 --> 00:45:58,240 of line given how big this topic is? It's 520. We want to make sure that all 560 00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:03,040 these things that were put in by everybody don't get uh breezed over that 561 00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:06,720 we and then we allow the community to come in and have a discussion and a 562 00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:12,079 meeting format that allows them to participate um like on the landing 563 00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:16,480 discussion and the tourism tax because if not what we're going to do is I'd 564 00:46:13,839 --> 00:46:20,800 hate to take all these jam them into a top three type situation and then in two 565 00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:25,119 weeks come back and send it into a resolution. It seems like that might be 566 00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:29,280 rushing to failure. Is it completely out of line to ask for the possibility of a 567 00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:33,920 special meeting so that the community does have an actual participation, an 568 00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:37,280 opportunity like we advertise it? We let everybody know exactly what we're doing. 569 00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:42,160 We prepare for that meeting and then they come in, they speak, then we move 570 00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:46,480 forward with the resolution. Now, if we have to move September 8th back, I guess 571 00:46:44,319 --> 00:46:49,920 that that might have to happen unless a special meeting can happen next week. 572 00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:54,960 Um, but I know that's just another meeting. I just look at like pre-filings 573 00:46:52,720 --> 00:47:01,359 in December and this seems like we're not on a trajectory that's going to do 574 00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:05,200 justice to this uh very large list and the community hasn't had a chance to 575 00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:09,520 come up and address these bigger topics that we just spent the last 20 minutes 576 00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:14,000 having a discussion about. >> Yeah. 577 00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:17,119 » Yeah. >> Mr. Mayor, 578 00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:21,280 » so Ashley, >> I I I agree with probably what you're 579 00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:25,599 about to say. Um, but as I read through this and I get that it says tourism tax 580 00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:31,599 modernization. I feel like the last bullet point might be the the sports 581 00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:38,800 complex and the bill, but the rest of them are kind of not that. Am I So like 582 00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:44,119 is this all one thing or could these be separated out as into like individual 583 00:47:41,119 --> 00:47:44,119 topics? 584 00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:49,200 » Alex, >> um, they very much could be. Yes. uh 585 00:47:47,599 --> 00:47:54,079 they they could actually impact different parts of the of the statute. 586 00:47:51,359 --> 00:47:58,160 Um and so yes uh ticket resellers for instance is separate issue obviously 587 00:47:56,160 --> 00:48:03,040 than funding an indoor sports facility. Um the ratio right of tourism 588 00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:08,480 infrastructure spending um that does that's a the same stat statute but um 589 00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:11,520 you know a little bit different of a of a conversation. So there I would say 590 00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:17,040 there's three main policy points underneath this one bullet point 591 00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:21,760 policy issues to address. I agree. So, it's kind of weird to say yes or no to 592 00:48:19,359 --> 00:48:27,599 item one when it's kind of like three parts. So, maybe we even break it out so 593 00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:31,920 that can help us understand what we're really not moving forward with and 594 00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:38,000 moving forward with. >> Okay. So, Alex, I agree with you, Alex 595 00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:45,040 Williams. U but I do believe that this board, we are 596 00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:52,400 elected officials. I believe this board it it's prudent for us to go through the 597 00:48:48,240 --> 00:48:58,400 list, break it down to the items that we think is most important and then invite 598 00:48:55,359 --> 00:49:02,800 the community to discuss those three. It would be very ineffective to have the 599 00:49:00,240 --> 00:49:04,800 community come in and discuss 25 items. No, 600 00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:08,720 » I agree. I just know that with the the the amount of time we have available, 601 00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:12,720 yeah, we're going to have to adjust this timeline so that we can do that process 602 00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:16,400 because it's warranted. Otherwise, this resolution is going to mean nothing 603 00:49:14,240 --> 00:49:19,680 because it's it's going to have not been vetted. We're going to have made a 604 00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:24,319 decision on the fly that we shouldn't make. And so, if it means adding a 605 00:49:21,599 --> 00:49:27,359 little bit of runway to the the adoption of that resolution, as long as it still 606 00:49:25,839 --> 00:49:32,240 gives the legislators time ahead of pre-filing, I think that's prudent um at 607 00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:37,440 this point. Otherwise, we're kind of we're we taking the time to get feedback 608 00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:43,119 and we're now trying to prioritize them on the fly. The community deserves to 609 00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:47,520 hear us talk about it. um publicly and then prioritize and then they deserve a 610 00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:51,520 chance to to give us their feedback on how we're prioritizing. 611 00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:58,000 And I I think that that's not probably possible by September 8th unless we add 612 00:49:54,400 --> 00:50:02,000 some other public uh meeting opportunities prior to that. 613 00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:07,119 » Yeah. Okay. So, what do you think, Kathy? Do 614 00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:14,240 you think um hate to say this um put the put this as 615 00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:19,760 the fourth attempt on the next board of alderman meeting to once again 616 00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:24,880 try to narrow down or maybe a study session before the 617 00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:33,839 board meeting to again attempt to narrow down these 24 items down to a 618 00:50:30,079 --> 00:50:38,599 realistic list for the state priorities. and then um get into the local 619 00:50:35,599 --> 00:50:38,599 priorities. 620 00:50:40,079 --> 00:50:47,680 » I guess I'd like to ask Representative Sites um because it takes time to draft 621 00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:51,839 bills, right? Even when we give you your list, you've got to get your legislative 622 00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:56,960 reference bureau or whoever you guys use up there, right, to draft the language, 623 00:50:54,480 --> 00:51:01,520 etc. And it's got to be vetted enough on our end so that you actually know what 624 00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:07,200 we want the language to have in it. And I'm sure is there a busier time for your 625 00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:11,839 drafters in Jeff City to I mean they're getting inundated, right? Hundreds and 626 00:51:09,599 --> 00:51:15,920 hundreds of bills from legislators and you got to get in line uh in order to 627 00:51:14,079 --> 00:51:19,280 get it ready for the pre-filing date. So do you want to speak at all to when's 628 00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:24,760 the drop dead date that you all would need the clear direction from this 629 00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:24,760 board? 630 00:51:25,839 --> 00:51:31,280 » I don't know if I'm supposed to do for the record, but I am State 631 00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:35,040 Representative Brian Sites. Um, yes, I think we have plenty of time. If you 632 00:51:33,119 --> 00:51:40,880 need to lengthen this out to get community involvement, I do pre-file on 633 00:51:38,079 --> 00:51:45,040 December 1st, but the fact that I've attended most of the study sessions and 634 00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:50,480 the alderman meetings, I have a gist of what we're attempting to do, especially 635 00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:55,920 on things like tax must be collected by ticket resailers for the actual price of 636 00:51:53,200 --> 00:52:00,240 the ticket. That to me is a no-brainer. So, that's something even if you don't 637 00:51:58,079 --> 00:52:05,520 approve that early, I'll be up there on September 15th and I can get that ball 638 00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:11,440 rolling immediately. I can get the ball rolling on an entertainment zone as well 639 00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:15,440 if that's something that the boy I can, you know, I can have it teed up. I just 640 00:52:13,359 --> 00:52:20,720 don't have to swing the club yet. The other issue as far as the uh sports 641 00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:25,200 facility and so forth, I think that involves, as you're saying now, a 642 00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:29,760 greater community involvement. So, I think there is time for us. 643 00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:31,839 » Okay. But what is that time, Brian? So, you're thinking what's your drop dead 644 00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:37,359 date? >> If I Yeah, if I can get it by mid to 645 00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:38,480 late October, I'm still good. >> Okay. 646 00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:43,359 » Okay. >> Okay. Then, mayor, let us please uh go 647 00:52:41,119 --> 00:52:49,319 back and we'll work on putting together another public meeting or two to talk 648 00:52:45,839 --> 00:52:49,319 about these priorities. 649 00:52:49,359 --> 00:52:55,119 » Okay. >> So, I'm sorry. So you're saying Alex 650 00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:58,559 what Alex suggested the next one would be like a special meeting that's so the 651 00:52:56,720 --> 00:53:03,200 public can come up and give their input to these 24 items. Is that what we're 652 00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:07,440 talking about doing? >> No, I think we need to have I don't I 653 00:53:06,079 --> 00:53:10,640 don't think it'd be productive. >> No, I I agree. I just don't know. We're 654 00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:12,640 still going to have to narrow this down then before that next meeting at some 655 00:53:12,319 --> 00:53:16,079 point. >> We have to narrow it down before we 656 00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:20,160 invite the public. >> Yeah. When's that happening? 657 00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:24,960 Um, next, can we do the study session before 658 00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:28,640 the next alderman meeting? >> I'm not sure because we've got the 659 00:53:26,559 --> 00:53:31,359 holiday in there, too. So, I'm not quite sure. And I don't know if we had 660 00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:35,119 something else that we were going to tee up for you by then, too. So, I'm not 661 00:53:33,359 --> 00:53:39,520 quite sure at this moment, but we'll sure work to make it as expeditious as I 662 00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:43,280 can. Um, I just maybe it would be helpful if if you all on your own and 663 00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:48,079 tell me if this is not the right way. I'm trying to solve this puzzle. if you 664 00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:52,880 just send me what are your as individual alderman top five priorities and then 665 00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:57,359 we'll coate that information bring it back to the next meeting and then talk 666 00:53:55,119 --> 00:54:00,240 through those items and some somebody might have one that's not on anybody 667 00:53:58,720 --> 00:54:04,640 else's list and that's their chance to advocate for it and at the end of the 668 00:54:02,240 --> 00:54:09,440 day I just want to remind everybody because it doesn't make a list at this 669 00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:14,000 point in time doesn't mean we can't still approach our legislators during 670 00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:17,920 the rest of the legislative session. So, it's not like you're going to fall off a 671 00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:23,119 cliff if we don't get this total perfectly vetted list. Um, legislation 672 00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:26,559 is dynamic and the process is very dynamic. So, I don't want you to think 673 00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:30,800 if it yours doesn't make the top five, it doesn't mean it can't make a 674 00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:34,240 subsequent next five right during this legislative session. So, just be 675 00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:38,160 thoughtful about that. >> Glenn, 676 00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:43,119 » yeah, I appreciate the suggestion of um ideas like sending in priorities, but 677 00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:49,359 I'd personally ask that we avoid that. Um, I just think it it if it doesn't 678 00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:54,160 violate the letter of sunshine law, it probably violates the intent of it. Um, 679 00:54:52,319 --> 00:55:00,880 you know, I think we need to discuss it publicly. I would suggest a variation to 680 00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:04,880 that would be for our next meeting, we each go around and say, "These are my 681 00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:09,760 top three or four." And we just say it right out in public. We don't compile it 682 00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:14,559 ahead of time. We just do it. And then that way the public hears it from us and 683 00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:19,680 not something that happened that they couldn't see. 684 00:55:17,599 --> 00:55:25,119 » Okay. So then what we'll do is um ask each 685 00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:29,280 alderman to come up with their when you say the top five 686 00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:37,200 talking about the top five for the state. Okay. So the items of these 24 687 00:55:32,720 --> 00:55:46,319 items the top five items that would go to the state and need state approval on. 688 00:55:41,839 --> 00:55:52,079 bring those prepared for the next board of alderman meeting study session 689 00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:55,359 and um so we can try to expedite this process. 690 00:55:53,599 --> 00:55:58,960 » Mayor, would you like the local ones too as well? There's another 691 00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:02,640 » Well, you know what? Let's do the top five for the state and the top five 692 00:56:00,799 --> 00:56:06,799 local at least that we'll narrow it down for 693 00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:13,359 discussion. Okay, that good. Everybody agree? Okay. 694 00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:15,680 Entertain a motion to adjurnn. A motion to second. All in favor? 695 00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:21,319 » I >> I 696 00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:21,319 » oppose. Same sign. Eyes have it.