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everybody and welcome to the November

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19th um Administration and operations

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committee um thank you all for attending

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uh attendants did I see councelor

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Chambers council chambers is here so

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everybody is on site today which is

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great uh anybody have anything to add to

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agenda councelor Bell uh Mr chair two

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small things in any other the business

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that's okay okay anybody

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else okay seeing none can I get a motion

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to approve the agenda as amended mayor

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Bailey councel Oakley all in

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favor opposed that is

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carried okay okay um delegations or

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Declaration of pecuniary interest is

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there any right now counc garno thank

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you Mr chair 8.1 8.1 anybody

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else okay if anything arises through the

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meeting just let me know uh Del ation we

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do have a delegation today is Melanie

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here y Melanie is here if you'd like to

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come

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up okay

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Mel if I could just ask that you make

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sure the light is on on the microphone

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there just push the button yeah green

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and if you could just state your name

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and address and you have 10 minutes for

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your presentation thank you okay um I'm

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Melanie MIRS I live at 22 madis in

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Branford so I'm here today representing

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the St George Children's Center um which

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is a Heritage Building located on 38

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bever Street in St George so I do have a

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slide presentation I don't

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know where that

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is sorry

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scroll down okay perfect so first off I

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just want to give you a little overhead

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of what St George to Center is and what

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it has become over the time frame so um

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I'll just first start out with this is

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our location so this child care opened

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up in 19

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1988 as a child care center uh 36 years

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ago so since then um we are the only

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full-time child care in St George at the

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present time there is another program

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that offers part day but we are the only

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full-time child care in St

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George um and started with 16 children

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back in 1988 in May of

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20122 I was asked to join this team to

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try to increase the spaces as well as

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try to increase enrollment because um as

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most of you know Child Care is something

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that is definitely needed in our

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community and with growing populations

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and expansions and buildings Child Care

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is definitely a need in St George so um

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when I joined the team it had 45

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children the hours are 7 to 5:30 I had a

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vision that with this team and the

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community we could build more so now the

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main site has gone from 45 to 126

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children in that location we are

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utilizing all rooms at this time um we

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also opened another site September 2022

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in the school which has uh 20 children

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as well and we opened a new location

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Little Learners in June um that has 26

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children it's operating out of St

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Andrew's Church the basement there so um

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at the present

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time um this is our toddler sorry minute

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this is our child room um right now this

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is the highest need in our community in

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St Georgia the present as of today just

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for the main site I have 408 children

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needing care um and this is only for 18

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months to two and a

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half our next group is preschoolers um

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this group um at the main site we have

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83 children waiting and this is for two

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and a half until 5ye olds and this is

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our JK school age at the present time we

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have no children waiting for this if you

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have a JK or School AG child you get in

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right away and I'm servicing 60 children

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at the present main

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location our uh School location is for

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our older guys our 9 to 12 year olds and

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we have Tony children there and our

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full in June as I said we opened up just

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after five months of being approved to

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the new Little Learners Site we've gone

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from 8 Educators to 31 Educators at all

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three locations presently at the Little

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Learners location I have 142 children

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waiting for this program in the 18

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months to two and a half and I have 27

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children waiting for the preschool

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program so I just wanted to give you a

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little synopsis of that and why I'm here

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today as you know the government has

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frozen the funds for all child care as

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of 2022 April 1st and we can't increase

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our rate R to parents due to the

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government program which um is trying to

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get us to that $10 of day child care so

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with that being said um we are usually

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we' use money to from parents revenues

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things like that um and different types

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of Grants but the grants for child care

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have been shut down at this time um due

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to new funding regulations so there's no

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money for us to help with the upkeep of

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this Heritage bill

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so we are in desperate need of Windows

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Our Heritage our building um we' had

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people come in we have we run this

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building on the main site we run it uh

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with two furnaces because it's such a

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big location and we've had the furnaces

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service several times and they're saying

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we're throwing money out the window

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because of the windows the furnaces are

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in great shape we're have no concerns

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there so uh in your little package

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you'll see um this is the main site and

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what has sort of happened so our windows

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are starting to fall forward um we are

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not able to get replacement parts we

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can't figure out who the manufacturer is

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of these older windows so we some of the

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windows we have locked of course if a

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window was absolutely broken we would

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absolutely get the funds to try to

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repair those but it's an overall

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existing problem we've got seal failure

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we've got vinyl warping we have original

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wooden windows in some of the places

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that aren't even vinyl which date back

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to the

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early um I have someone in the window

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business that is saying probably in the

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early 1960s range of the type of Windows

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in some of the areas so as you can see

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here you can see that we've got

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different types of failure we've got

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condensation coming in on the glass as

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you can see and we've got those older

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wind wood frame Windows as you can see

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as well so we've gone forward to get

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three type of quotes um with regards to

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the windows as you can see we've got

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three quotes with regards to that

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building if you can believe it has 90

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Windows 90 so we are there are tons and

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tons of windows it's a beautiful space

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lots of Lal light comes in that building

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and so we are in need of some of those

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funds so I have been in touch with

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Jasmine um from uh Heritage and we're

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hoping that we can get some sort of

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funds or something to a assist with the

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process even if we have to do one at a

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time we're prepared to do that but I

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just uh at this stage we're just

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throwing money out the door with the

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heating problem because of the poor

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windows so I'm here today to present

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that to council to see if there's any

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funds we will take anything um at this

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point uh to help us to um help us with

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the window project does anybody have any

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questions questions from committee

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mine so my understanding there's a few

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windows in particular that are desperate

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to be replaced if you were able to maybe

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elaborate on that a bit so we have four

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windows that we're going to have to

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replace no matter what because the locks

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have fallen and they're falling forward

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so we have to lock them to keep them

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forward um to keep them closed at this

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point it's not a fire hazard it's not a

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Ministry we're not breaking any rules by

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not having them fixed but there are four

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bigger Windows um estimated cost toing

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around $6,000 for those four to be done

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um those are ones that we're going to

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start with but um the furnace and

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everyone guys are saying to us you know

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it's fine through one at a time but the

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problem's not goingon to be solved until

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you do them all yeah so good just

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another followup question um I think my

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understanding is you would need

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permission from the

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the Horseshoe here I guess to have staff

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help you with the grants is that correct

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um that would be an area for Jasmine

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that would be able to speak on that

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would you be able to speak on that

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Jasmine can I get you to just state your

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name for the clerk please sure uh

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Jasmine Bard I'm Arts culture and

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Heritage officer for County

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Brant through the chair M councelor

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Miguel can you repeat your question um

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I'm just asking that you you need um

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direction from the council in order to

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go ahead with helping with the grants

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applications is that correct uh through

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the chair to councel MC Alpine it is

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also a designated Heritage building with

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bylaw so we need a direction to bring it

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to the Heritage committee proper and the

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Heritage committee will have to rep

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approve the repairs um but yes we're

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also looking for grant funding and on

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it is this point where I can ask

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question from

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staff uh let's just stand by we'll

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Circle back to you okay councelor how

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then councelor Bell thank you Mr chair

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through you uh and I think I'm I'm

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predicting that maybe Council mpan and I

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were thinking in the same direction but

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if if I'm not mistaken the way our

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process works

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sorry councelor how is your time

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[Laughter]

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zone

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um we're just waiting for the countdown

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clock okay so um if I'm not mistaken the

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way requests for funding requests for

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Grants typically the

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response is we're going to defer you to

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our our grant

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process however if it's an emergency

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Grant request which is I think what you

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meant then we look at it

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differently and I'm wondering if uh

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staff if Allison could maybe um clarify

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my understanding on that but I I believe

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that if you're calling this an emergency

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Grant request then that's something we

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could be looking at Short Term and then

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you could still look at the grant

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process which happens early next

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year through you Mr chair um certainly

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Council can direct um staff to

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administer emergency funds but I would

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have to um ask Finance uh how much we

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may have in those

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reserves I'll leave it at that for now

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Mr chair councelor Bell thank

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you through you to Melanie you're

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looking for $94,000 to do the whole

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piece of work that's what I understand

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correct so if it was your house um You'

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think well I'll add to my mortgage so if

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you were to mortgage

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$94,000 a current interest rate I think

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you're looking at about $110,000 a year

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you'd need to pay for the capital and

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and the interest and if you got

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152 people that you support that's

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$65 a year or about $1 a week have you

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thought about a campaign that you make

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it clear to the 152 people that are

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there parents of the people are there

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that if you don't do this you won't be

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able to stay in business so you're

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basically going to ask them to support

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by giving $1 a week and you your problem

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will be addressed now I'm being very

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simplistic but have you approached it

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from that angle as well as asking for

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funding from Grants and the

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council so we did look into the

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the city of Branford the Brant

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Foundation grants and those grants were

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closed and we found out that this was a

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desperate need so that Grant process was

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closed we did look that we did look into

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some other Ontario grants and we don't

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qualify with being a nonprofit and a

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charitable program a charitable Child

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Care um we cannot legally go to parents

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and ask if a parent donates but I can't

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due to the regulations of fees and

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things like that there's strict rules on

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rates I can't ask parents I can ask

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parents to donate a gift or a card or

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whatever but I'd have to be very careful

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in how I ask parents to say you know

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we're going to bill you an extra dollar

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a week for your child care costs or

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something to cover that but we are at

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where we are at

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financially if if I could have not come

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here I would have not come

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here mayor Bailey uh through you Mr

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chair to Melody uh I had the same

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problem when I bought my house and I

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have over 60 windows in my house and I

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hired someone for the best price to do

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the first two windows and uh he

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butchered them uh and then I called the

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lowest quote on your list which happens

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to be your husband Window World uh and

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and who's also a rotarian friend of mine

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and he came and put the windows in my

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house

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uh and they they approved it was

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approved by heritage obviously and he

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also fixed the windows that he didn't

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even put in to make them all match which

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I thought was very nice of them um but

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the savings is incredible in my house uh

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because of the new windows I did it over

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a number of years too because I I had I

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don't know $1,200 a window or something

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crazy thing so um but you have the right

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players in place and I I don't know how

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else we could do it can we have a

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capital campaign can I can I do a

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campaign for St George and ask people to

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support the school for

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for for the daycare center can I can I

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do that because I mean I know there's

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people in St George that know that it's

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a it has to be done and enough people in

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St George live in Heritage properties

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that they know the the heat that escapes

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is expensive so I don't know I don't

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know whether that's in my realm of

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things I can do away from Council

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whether I can had a fundraiser for it I

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don't know that there's a better CA

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right now you've got that many kids

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waiting and I was at the opening of your

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your second your second daycare at the

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at the church the need is huge I mean

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their their waiting list is is pregnant

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women that haven't even had the babies

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yet that are on the list um it's it's

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kind of kooky that the need that's

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coming to St George and that's without

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any visible growth this time in two

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years we're going to be talking about a

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whole different animal in St George so I

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think we need to get our ducks in a row

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now um so I counc CHR I don't know

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whether so I can help out or not so I

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guess my my my question for

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clarification on that baile is the fact

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are you looking at potentially doing

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this as David Bailey or are you looking

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at doing this as mayor David Bailey it

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would have to be the

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mayor because I wouldn't want it to be I

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wouldn't want it to be mixed up with my

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own Foundation that I already have at

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the Brent Community Foundation and

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that's in the name of David Bailey so

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this would have to be the

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mayor um so I think we would have to

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have staff look into that to understand

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how that would play

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out okay uh councelor Miller just a few

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questions through you Mr chair to the

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presenter um does the daycare own that

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building we do okay we have a mortgage

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okay um you've got a requesting we don't

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have any your financials like are you

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guys putting money aside when you when

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you get

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fees um you have operating costs Capital

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costs do you put money aside for Capital

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cost we do okay yep

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can you talk a little bit about um you

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touched on it um I just wonder if you

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could flush it out a bit um as far as

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you can't you've talked about what you

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can't do what as far as raising money

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goes like going to the parents what can

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you do and related to that question is

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you're not the only child care uh Center

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in financial distress what are they

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doing have you talk to other ones

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because I think this $10 a day child

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care um has caused a bit of financial

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hardship for a lot of daycare so what

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have you guys done

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specifically um to raise cash or raise

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money and what are other child care

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center so this isn't my first rodeo I've

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been in child care for 33 years I was a

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supervisor of all child care centers in

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the county and the city for 31 years and

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then I came up to St George so I'm well

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aware of the other programs that are

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sort of suffering and not suffering the

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most of the programs uh that have child

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carees are in rental situations there

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are very few that own the buildings so

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they go back to their landlords for

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those type of issues um that's with the

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survey that I did put out there that's

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where they're going back as to their

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landlord for that type of thing with

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regards to funds and reserves there's

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certain money that the government will

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take from me if I have too much so I

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have to slot it to different slots so I

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have learned a little bit as they say to

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play the game

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and so I can put a capital reserve for

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future child care centers but I can't

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use some of the money for um to keep up

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what I have so I do we do have a reserve

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fund that is for if we can build another

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Center which St George is going to need

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if St George gets a school I we've got

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some funds there that we can put into

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that um which is capital or new build

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fund um so I do have funds for that as

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we got so far

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so okay I I I I would have appreciated

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that

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information in your information that you

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give us but um and I I'll just kind of

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touch on what counselor Bell said

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talking about a mortgage or you get a

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loan

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um and and it's not a bad idea and the

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reason I say that is because the payback

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on a window as far as I know it's a

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capital cost but as far as operating

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cost I mean you you'll save the money in

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utilities within five maybe four years

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if bad you say so um it would be good if

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again if you could get that get the

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windows in and save on the operating

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cost but anyways thank you for

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your any other questions Council Garo

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thank you Mr chair through to the

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presenter U being a Heritage building

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are the rest of the walls insulated do

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you know what

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to whether that's been done or is there

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has been some done

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yes any other questions

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counc McAlpine will'll go back to you

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when the time comes I'd like to make a

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motion I think now might be the time if

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there's no more questions from committee

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okay so just to get the ball rolling I'd

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like to suggest that we make a grant

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from the county for

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25,000 and then we work with Dave Bailey

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and maybe raise some funds and if we can

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direct staff to bring it to Heritage

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about other grants that might be

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available it's a bit of a mouthful but

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okay second to that motion councelor

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Kyle

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questions councelor Chambers then

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councelor house yeah I I'm I understand

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the motion I just don't like the process

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it would be nice to have a little bit

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more documentation on where the money's

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coming from and what you going to do

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with that kind of thing so uh I would

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much rather refer this to either a staff

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report for funding options or refer it

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to the budget committee but to today

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throw

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money at the problem and then

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uh ask David to do something with the

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mayor's that to me is not the way to

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solve the problem because it's still

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going to leave uh

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$75,000 funding shortfall at some point

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where if it goes through the grant

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committee and that it may be uh there

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may be better options is what I'm saying

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so I'm not going to support the motion

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as it is if the motion fails then I

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would put a motion forward to refer it

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to staff for funding options uh to

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resolve the

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problem councelor house and councel open

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uh thank you Mr chair uh to the motion I

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I am supportive of this uh again I'm I'm

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and I don't even know if this is an

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amendment or friendly Amendment or just

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uh edit that I think you meant emergency

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Grant um

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and the way I'm looking at this this is

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$100,000 plus situation and the county

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of Brandt is is not necessarily going to

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be in a position ever to hand over

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$100,000 but if we're able to assist in

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getting things started and and the

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example that the mayor provided you know

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with his own house you know you do the

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worst two or three first and and and and

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you start start working towards it and

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then work towards a capital campaign

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with the mayor's help the grant Pro the

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normal Grant process uh which is

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available to any

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nonprofit

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organization um so I I I think

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approaching this in a multi multitude of

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ways is appropriate and I support the uh

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the motion as it stands with the word

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emergency in

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there councelor Oakley then mayor B

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uh through the chair to finance staff if

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possible um what what monies do we

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currently have in regards to Grants and

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am I correct in that we actually no

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longer have the emergency Grant um uh

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tool um I believe that was something we

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might have removed in the last

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year yeah so we we did remove the

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emergency Grant category on the basis

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that if during the year Council wanted

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to give money on an emergency basis we

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would we would make that um happen uh we

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do not have any money left in the Emer

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in the grants budget for 2024 um but if

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Council uh directed I mean certainly we

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would come back with how where we could

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pull the money from or or defer to 2025

545
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:46,760
there there's options out there it's

546
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:48,039
just a matter of how if this

547
00:24:48,039 --> 00:24:51,080
recommendation goes through um as is we

548
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:52,600
could do a Friday file report just

549
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:54,240
outlining where the money is going to

550
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,159
come from or if Council wants to defer

551
00:24:56,159 --> 00:24:58,600
it for a report on options then you're

552
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,279
certainly welcome to do that too thank

553
00:25:01,279 --> 00:25:04,679
you very much thanks mayor Bailey

554
00:25:04,679 --> 00:25:08,120
through you Mr chair uh taking a second

555
00:25:08,120 --> 00:25:11,240
sober thought here um I'm just thinking

556
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,120
that it's not the Optics of me raising

557
00:25:13,120 --> 00:25:15,159
money for the school uh when there's a

558
00:25:15,159 --> 00:25:16,600
capital campaign right now for the

559
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,840
library and a capital campaign that

560
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,760
hasn't met its goal for the wilin Center

561
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,320
um I'm not sure how the how that would

562
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,240
look especially in my own backyard so uh

563
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,159
I will help any any way I can but it

564
00:25:29,159 --> 00:25:31,679
would have to be on a on a informal

565
00:25:31,679 --> 00:25:33,760
basis and in a different way because

566
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:37,000
it's when you have two countywide

567
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:39,000
Capital campaigns under way way I

568
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:40,960
shouldn't be raising money for something

569
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:42,880
different thank

570
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,600
you Council Garo then councelor

571
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,120
Miller thank you Mr chair uh

572
00:25:48,120 --> 00:25:50,039
unfortunately I can't support the

573
00:25:50,039 --> 00:25:52,120
recommendation because I think that we

574
00:25:52,120 --> 00:25:55,039
do have um processes in place including

575
00:25:55,039 --> 00:25:57,080
our grant cycle that's going to reopen

576
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,039
and I'm very mindful

577
00:25:59,039 --> 00:26:00,919
um that we are a large and diverse

578
00:26:00,919 --> 00:26:02,799
Community with a number of Heritage

579
00:26:02,799 --> 00:26:06,520
buildings and I worry about the predent

580
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,640
that we might set that one can come to

581
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:13,200
council and um more or less work through

582
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,240
a different process that is perhaps not

583
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,440
um Equitable to those who are watching

584
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:19,919
the timelines and everything and I do

585
00:26:19,919 --> 00:26:21,960
recognize there's there's an emergency

586
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,480
here and my step kids actually went to

587
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,039
this Child Care Program for a number of

588
00:26:26,039 --> 00:26:28,320
years when we were in St George so by no

589
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,320
means is it a commentary on the program

590
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,840
or the people involved but I think we do

591
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:34,440
have processes in the county that we

592
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,159
have to follow and um as has been the

593
00:26:37,159 --> 00:26:38,360
case with a few things that have come to

594
00:26:38,360 --> 00:26:40,320
me in in my w that I've referred over to

595
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,919
the grants um that is normally the

596
00:26:42,919 --> 00:26:46,640
mechanism we have for that so while I

597
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:47,880
believe in the work that folks are doing

598
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:49,799
in the urgency of the situation I can't

599
00:26:49,799 --> 00:26:51,799
support this from a process

600
00:26:51,799 --> 00:26:55,559
standpoint counc Miller and councel

601
00:26:55,559 --> 00:26:58,080
Bell I guess it depends on when you come

602
00:26:58,080 --> 00:26:59,840
and and ask for help for the windows

603
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:01,320
because

604
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:05,159
um um depending on what your table you

605
00:27:05,159 --> 00:27:06,880
get different answers because I know St

606
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,120
Joe's and Branford came and asked for

607
00:27:09,120 --> 00:27:11,440
some help with their Windows which they

608
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,000
also badly needed and they were turned

609
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,960
down um I I what coun G say is

610
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,200
absolutely right we do have a process in

611
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,960
place all right for asking for money and

612
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,080
and I don't know I I I don't know how

613
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,080
someone can just give away

614
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,679
25,000 no matter the cause

615
00:27:28,679 --> 00:27:30,200
without at least a little more

616
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:31,559
information about where the money's

617
00:27:31,559 --> 00:27:35,039
coming from about their finances and so

618
00:27:35,039 --> 00:27:36,799
forth so there's a lot of information

619
00:27:36,799 --> 00:27:38,559
even ask

620
00:27:38,559 --> 00:27:41,519
Heather she says well we're not sure we

621
00:27:41,519 --> 00:27:43,200
have to look into it so we're going to

622
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,000
move a motion staff doesn't quite know

623
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,120
um I don't think if we wait a week two

624
00:27:48,120 --> 00:27:50,000
weeks whatever it's going to make a big

625
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,120
big difference I would rather do it

626
00:27:52,120 --> 00:27:54,600
properly um than just halfhazard and

627
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,919
that motion is halfhazard

628
00:27:56,919 --> 00:27:59,039
Council Bell

629
00:27:59,039 --> 00:28:01,159
yeah thank you Mr CH uh I too cannot

630
00:28:01,159 --> 00:28:03,880
support the motion that's presented this

631
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:05,799
is a project that has got

632
00:28:05,799 --> 00:28:10,919
a 25 30 year lifetime uh and we need to

633
00:28:10,919 --> 00:28:13,559
think about the better ways of of

634
00:28:13,559 --> 00:28:15,559
funding it because I don't believe you

635
00:28:15,559 --> 00:28:18,720
should just simply give over $994,000

636
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,559
um I would rather translate it into what

637
00:28:21,559 --> 00:28:23,840
does it cost me every year and then I

638
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:25,600
would say I'm one am I saving every year

639
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,120
by the fact I've got these new windows

640
00:28:27,120 --> 00:28:29,559
in and and I think the differential cost

641
00:28:29,559 --> 00:28:30,880
might be quite small and there might be

642
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,519
other ways of of delivering that that um

643
00:28:34,519 --> 00:28:36,919
differential between what you save and

644
00:28:36,919 --> 00:28:38,640
what you have to spend on an annual

645
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,880
basis so I I'd like to see this come

646
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,760
back with a staff report and and we can

647
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,000
consider all all aspects of it rather

648
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,039
than just giv e jerk

649
00:28:49,039 --> 00:28:52,760
$25,000 okay councilman thank you Mr

650
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:53,840
chair

651
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:56,799
and I I would rather see this a deferred

652
00:28:56,799 --> 00:28:58,760
for one cycle

653
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:00,760
so we can get the staff report back and

654
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:02,600
get some more information back on

655
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:03,919
financials and a whole lot of other

656
00:29:03,919 --> 00:29:05,760
things on this and whatnot so I do

657
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:07,760
remember I think CC Chambers I the last

658
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:09,600
two they're here that when we did sell

659
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:11,519
this building to the county or to the

660
00:29:11,519 --> 00:29:14,200
daycare for I think was for a dollar I

661
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:15,840
remember correctly

662
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,159
so I

663
00:29:18,159 --> 00:29:20,559
support that they need help but I think

664
00:29:20,559 --> 00:29:22,279
we need some more information so I'd

665
00:29:22,279 --> 00:29:24,880
rather see it deferred for one cycle and

666
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:29,789
come back and do it properly

667
00:29:29,799 --> 00:29:30,919
councelor Kyle you're the only one that

668
00:29:30,919 --> 00:29:32,559
hasn't chimed in you want to jump in on

669
00:29:32,559 --> 00:29:34,919
this or are you good I'm good okay can I

670
00:29:34,919 --> 00:29:39,600
ask a question am I allowed to um I'll

671
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,120
let it go the main purpose of me here

672
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,360
was to get the help from Jasmine for the

673
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,760
Heritage it wasn't necessarily to say

674
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:48,799
that I need the money from I needed her

675
00:29:48,799 --> 00:29:50,360
help to help me apply for the grants for

676
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,320
the Heritage so that's the main purpose

677
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,600
of me being here is to apply for that

678
00:29:54,600 --> 00:30:00,669
piece

679
00:30:00,679 --> 00:30:03,080
sorry right what right which doesn't

680
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,679
require Council Direction you've

681
00:30:05,679 --> 00:30:08,519
got needed Council direction to do that

682
00:30:08,519 --> 00:30:09,559
so

683
00:30:09,559 --> 00:30:12,240
that's sorry for clarification for an

684
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,960
emergency Heritage Grant yeah direction

685
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,080
if we were to go that

686
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,399
way but the emergency Heritage Grant

687
00:30:19,399 --> 00:30:23,880
would Circle back to us anyway right

688
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,600
okay final word council

689
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,200
McAlpine so I think the way it's going

690
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,840
if we defer it for one cycle for Jasmine

691
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,960
to come back to a report with with the

692
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,039
staff for

693
00:30:37,039 --> 00:30:39,320
appropriate reactions to this I think

694
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:40,399
that would be

695
00:30:40,399 --> 00:30:42,840
appropriate so if I made that

696
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:44,799
recommendation that we defer it then for

697
00:30:44,799 --> 00:30:49,000
one ccle okay so you're you're you're

698
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:50,480
amending your first getting ready your

699
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,120
first motion and now you're your motion

700
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,480
for a deferral for one cycle to allow

701
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:55,760
staff to

702
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:57,519
understand where the money would come

703
00:30:57,519 --> 00:30:58,760
from and

704
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:02,679
emergency yeah that would be

705
00:31:02,679 --> 00:31:04,679
appropriate right we've already got it

706
00:31:04,679 --> 00:31:07,200
approve yes we'll have to defer over

707
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,720
right I think we defer

708
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:14,909
it deferred for one

709
00:31:14,919 --> 00:31:17,960
Cycle councelor house councelor Chambers

710
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,240
I thank I thank you Mr chair I think I'm

711
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,440
following what's going on but where I'm

712
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,200
I'm a little I've been on the Heritage

713
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,919
advisory committee for seven or eight

714
00:31:28,919 --> 00:31:30,840
years

715
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:34,240
and the Heritage advisory committee

716
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,080
itself doesn't have any

717
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,200
funding right it come back to us so so

718
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:44,519
it Al I'm I'm not sure I understand what

719
00:31:44,519 --> 00:31:50,480
the benefit would be of of going through

720
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,760
Heritage committee's blessing on making

721
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,240
modifications to a designated Heritage

722
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,320
building but I I I'm not aware of there

723
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:04,720
being a a uh a fund of

724
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,639
money that's any different than than the

725
00:32:08,639 --> 00:32:11,159
emergency Grant conversation that we're

726
00:32:11,159 --> 00:32:13,320
having right now so if staff could maybe

727
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:18,269
clarify that

728
00:32:18,279 --> 00:32:21,519
please three you Mr chair um that's

729
00:32:21,519 --> 00:32:24,760
correct this is not it it's all coming

730
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:26,320
from the county so there isn't a

731
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,000
specific fund for for herit grants

732
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,590
through the

733
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,720
committee through the chair to counselor

734
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,639
house for clarification because it is a

735
00:32:37,639 --> 00:32:39,960
designated and listed building with a

736
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,840
bylaw um Heritage the Heritage committee

737
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,279
per our planning policy needs to make

738
00:32:45,279 --> 00:32:46,880
determinations on it so that's where the

739
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:51,080
Heritage component fits within it so the

740
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:56,360
the grant stream as we are discussing um

741
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,679
is separate to what I would be bringing

742
00:32:58,679 --> 00:33:00,519
to the Heritage committee which would be

743
00:33:00,519 --> 00:33:03,080
decisions on going forward with

744
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,840
modifications to a designated

745
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,840
structure which makes sense because this

746
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,440
doesn't

747
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,559
Okay council

748
00:33:12,559 --> 00:33:15,240
chambers thank you Mr uh chairman

749
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,080
wouldn't it make a lot of sense is to

750
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:18,919
withdraw the motion which en covers the

751
00:33:18,919 --> 00:33:23,240
whole process and just move a motion uh

752
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,559
requesting a staff uh report on the

753
00:33:26,559 --> 00:33:29,320
issue be presented at their next meeting

754
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,559
and then all the information all the

755
00:33:31,559 --> 00:33:33,440
requests can be Consolidated into

756
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,679
something and then we can deal with

757
00:33:35,679 --> 00:33:38,880
it but to defer the motion which we've

758
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:43,080
already heard is not going to uh work

759
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,000
because the mayor is unwilling to carry

760
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,679
out what the motion says and now let's

761
00:33:47,679 --> 00:33:50,960
just withdraw the motion which either

762
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,159
that or defeat the motion and ask the

763
00:33:53,159 --> 00:33:55,000
staff to bring a report at our next

764
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:56,320
meeting then we're not deferring

765
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,320
anything we're just moving forward and

766
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,320
getting the problem solved as fast as we

767
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,320
can Council

768
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:07,000
mine I'd be okay with that okay second's

769
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:12,280
good to withdraw second sorry okay

770
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,760
so the Motions been

771
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,280
withdrawed councilor

772
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,200
Chambers I will move that the report the

773
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,000
delegation uh be received and request a

774
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,760
report from staff to be presented on

775
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,679
resolving the issue at our next meeting

776
00:34:28,679 --> 00:34:31,159
there Bailey seconds that so everybody

777
00:34:31,159 --> 00:34:33,480
understands where we're going here

778
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,040
correct

779
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,679
questions all in

780
00:34:38,679 --> 00:34:42,320
favor opposed that is

781
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,320
carried okay thank you I think in a

782
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:45,720
roundabout way we're going to get where

783
00:34:45,720 --> 00:34:50,550
where we want to go here

784
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,560
so okay moving on to section five

785
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:54,679
adoption of the minutes from the

786
00:34:54,679 --> 00:34:56,560
previous minute can I get a mover

787
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,640
Council Oakley

788
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:02,760
second councelor Kyle questions on the

789
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,240
minutes seeing none all in

790
00:35:05,240 --> 00:35:09,160
favor opposed that is carried any

791
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,790
business arising from those

792
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:14,880
minutes councilor

793
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:18,079
Miller thank you Mr chair and from a

794
00:35:18,079 --> 00:35:20,160
question I asked about Cleaver R Cleaver

795
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,119
Road Bridge um we were looking that have

796
00:35:22,119 --> 00:35:23,320
been public

797
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:27,240
engagement uh this quarter um at least

798
00:35:27,240 --> 00:35:30,040
and that's what I tell people told a lot

799
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:31,720
of people I haven't heard anything do we

800
00:35:31,720 --> 00:35:35,790
have an update on

801
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,200
that Mr Walton in the back you able to

802
00:35:38,200 --> 00:36:06,150
come forward

803
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,000
Miller which thank you which is fine

804
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,720
it's just I last time I was told this

805
00:36:11,720 --> 00:36:14,440
quarter so that's what I tell people so

806
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,720
I don't care when sooner is better than

807
00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:18,440
later but if it's it's first quarter

808
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,920
2025 can I tell people that when they

809
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:22,440
call me and ask me which they are

810
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,720
calling me and asking

811
00:36:24,720 --> 00:36:33,430
me okay

812
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:37,119
yeah okay thank you anything else

813
00:36:37,119 --> 00:36:39,760
business arising from those

814
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,760
minutes okay seeing none uh moving on

815
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:44,599
consent items to be approved we've got

816
00:36:44,599 --> 00:36:47,599
we got a few of them in here um so we'll

817
00:36:47,599 --> 00:36:52,800
go 7.1.1 rp-0 49424 Source water

818
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,200
protection plan can I get a

819
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,400
mover councelor Coleman councelor Bell

820
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,920
questions councilor

821
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,359
Miller thank you Mr chair

822
00:37:03,359 --> 00:37:08,040
um the area that branford's uh this is

823
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,720
applied to I I tried to find that not in

824
00:37:10,720 --> 00:37:13,160
the report I went to the supplements I

825
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:14,839
think it's in the Oak Park area but I

826
00:37:14,839 --> 00:37:18,040
don't yeah I suspect so but um I wonder

827
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,560
if the author could uh Enlighten us on

828
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,760
this and then one other question

829
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,079
Mr through you chair uh the intake

830
00:37:27,079 --> 00:37:28,599
protections zone two in the county of

831
00:37:28,599 --> 00:37:31,160
brand is the Oak Park area and also

832
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,079
along the r River here in

833
00:37:33,079 --> 00:37:37,280
Paris okay um question maybe more

834
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:38,880
generally

835
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,000
um we have Source water protection and

836
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:43,720
and I know how we deal it with it when

837
00:37:43,720 --> 00:37:45,400
it's within our own municipality when

838
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,119
it's in another municipality in this

839
00:37:47,119 --> 00:37:51,280
case Branford for us um and they have a

840
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:52,880
a planing application and they're

841
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,560
putting up whatever they put up a gas

842
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,960
station a new industry

843
00:37:57,960 --> 00:37:59,760
what's the process for us giving input

844
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:03,720
on that to make sure that it's not that

845
00:38:03,720 --> 00:38:06,200
the site plan is is doing what or is

846
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:07,560
written up the way it should be written

847
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,119
up do we do we give input on that what's

848
00:38:10,119 --> 00:38:11,960
the process for

849
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,040
that through you chair to councelor

850
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,599
Miller um so properties within the

851
00:38:16,599 --> 00:38:18,400
county of Brant will be managed through

852
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,240
the County's development application

853
00:38:20,240 --> 00:38:23,880
process um although we are supporting

854
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:28,079
the um city of branford's Source water

855
00:38:28,079 --> 00:38:30,599
protection updates the policies that our

856
00:38:30,599 --> 00:38:32,440
properties will be applied to are the

857
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,160
policies that we have for the county of

858
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,400
BR Source protection plan which we

859
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,800
approved in the September uh

860
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:43,920
anal Miller I appreciate the answer but

861
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,560
it wasn't the answer I was looking for

862
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:50,920
um when another municipality Branford

863
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,119
has a a planning application come

864
00:38:53,119 --> 00:38:55,400
forward and it's in our source water

865
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:59,839
protection area what what input how do

866
00:38:59,839 --> 00:39:02,359
we give input on that

867
00:39:02,359 --> 00:39:04,800
process it's not in the it's it's in

868
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:08,079
another M Val but it's our water intakes

869
00:39:08,079 --> 00:39:10,680
over and I could take that in a Friday

870
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,400
file if you don't know the answer so I

871
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,040
think I'm slightly um I'm not

872
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,839
understanding the question uh the county

873
00:39:18,839 --> 00:39:22,000
of Brandt wellheads around our Municipal

874
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,440
Water don't extend into the city of

875
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,440
Branford they don't no so the city of

876
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:29,640
brantford's intake protection Zone

877
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,000
because it's a surface water intake

878
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,920
extends into the county of brand because

879
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,200
of the travel time for the water to get

880
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,720
down there so there are situations where

881
00:39:40,720 --> 00:39:43,560
our land applications could have a

882
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:45,280
negative impact on the city of

883
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,599
branford's intake but we manage that

884
00:39:48,599 --> 00:39:50,520
through our

885
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,560
policies so reversing that do they do

886
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,119
they give input then when we build in

887
00:39:56,119 --> 00:40:03,710
their intake

888
00:40:03,720 --> 00:40:07,720
through you chair um they endorse our

889
00:40:07,720 --> 00:40:10,400
source water protection plan so um we

890
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,720
came to admin and Ops in September and

891
00:40:13,720 --> 00:40:15,319
our changes to our source water

892
00:40:15,319 --> 00:40:17,280
protection policies are out for

893
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:19,160
pre-consultation which includes other

894
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,040
municipalities that are affected by

895
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,520
those policy changes to have an

896
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,440
opportunity to speak to it so they have

897
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:27,839
endorsed our

898
00:40:27,839 --> 00:40:31,720
changes okay I gotta leave it that thank

899
00:40:31,720 --> 00:40:35,230
you any other

900
00:40:35,240 --> 00:40:37,200
questions okay so it's moved and

901
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,240
seconded all those in

902
00:40:39,240 --> 00:40:44,359
favor opposed that is carried uh 7.1.2

903
00:40:44,359 --> 00:40:48,599
which is rpt 0105 d24 uh design Supply

904
00:40:48,599 --> 00:40:50,240
delivery installation construction of

905
00:40:50,240 --> 00:40:52,760
the MBR system for St George can I get a

906
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,839
mover mayor Bailey Council

907
00:40:55,839 --> 00:40:58,640
McAlpine questions on

908
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,200
that councelor Miller then uh councelor

909
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,440
Bell then councelor Miller couple

910
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,960
questions um this is coming in almost to

911
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,319
the penny 20% over the engineers

912
00:41:08,319 --> 00:41:28,670
estimate um can I get a reason as to why

913
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,000
to the chair to councelor Miller we did

914
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,119
ask our uh Consultants to review in

915
00:41:33,119 --> 00:41:36,280
detail and we think that the scope crept

916
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,280
a little bit it includes some some

917
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,920
different technical technical aspects of

918
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:42,319
that have to tie into the rest of the

919
00:41:42,319 --> 00:41:45,079
design so they reviewed the design as it

920
00:41:45,079 --> 00:41:47,119
yeah it does make sense along with the

921
00:41:47,119 --> 00:41:49,359
market conditions that we know have

922
00:41:49,359 --> 00:41:52,280
increased prices in the last few years

923
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:56,319
okay so Mission creep I guess um and and

924
00:41:56,319 --> 00:41:57,800
okay maybe the engine Engineers report

925
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,800
was a little conservative um you had one

926
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:05,440
bid um now if I go online I look um this

927
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:09,400
MBR technology it is offered by I seen

928
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,079
at least several

929
00:42:11,079 --> 00:42:15,160
dozen um vendors when you're putting

930
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,359
something like that it's do you treat

931
00:42:17,359 --> 00:42:19,160
this just like a grass tender in other

932
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:20,880
words you put it up on the site call it

933
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,079
a day and whoever bids bids or do you

934
00:42:23,079 --> 00:42:25,800
actively go out and seek maybe uh

935
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,119
vendors for this technology say hey

936
00:42:28,119 --> 00:42:30,960
we're putting this bid out um are you

937
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:32,520
interested in bidding in other words are

938
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:34,839
you doing everything you can to get

939
00:42:34,839 --> 00:42:38,079
vendors to bid or you just standard this

940
00:42:38,079 --> 00:42:40,400
is what we do call the day through the

941
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,319
chair we did have some dialogue with two

942
00:42:42,319 --> 00:42:44,240
different vendors who do some work in

943
00:42:44,240 --> 00:42:47,760
this area uh most of the the MBR work in

944
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,119
Ontario does seem to be offered by

945
00:42:50,119 --> 00:42:53,880
violia um but yeah we wanted to promote

946
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,400
and encourage uh a better competitive

947
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,480
market so we did have some dialog with

948
00:42:58,480 --> 00:42:59,880
with another vendor who does work in

949
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:02,400
this area but unfortunately they they

950
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,079
didn't submit a bid and we we don't yet

951
00:43:04,079 --> 00:43:08,040
know why okay good answer thank you

952
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,520
councel Bell yeah thank you Mr chair the

953
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,599
same question as Council Miller but I'm

954
00:43:13,599 --> 00:43:15,599
a little disappointed we ended up with

955
00:43:15,599 --> 00:43:19,200
only one uh one bidder question would

956
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,920
use the same technology when we expand

957
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,720
the Paris Water Treatment Plant we are

958
00:43:24,720 --> 00:43:26,520
looking very seriously at MBR we think

959
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:28,280
it fits very well well with the the

960
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,720
Paris expansion it's a serious Contender

961
00:43:30,720 --> 00:43:36,430
for the technology y thank you any other

962
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:39,440
questions seeing none all in

963
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,319
favor opposed that is

964
00:43:42,319 --> 00:43:46,480
carried uh 7.1.3 rp-0

965
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,359
52-24 disposition of surplus lands can I

966
00:43:49,359 --> 00:43:50,200
get a

967
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,839
mover house councelor

968
00:43:52,839 --> 00:43:56,800
Coleman questions councelor Miller think

969
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,359
you chair um it doesn't say in the

970
00:43:59,359 --> 00:44:00,800
report and that's why I'm asking the

971
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,480
question so um What Becomes of the

972
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:06,040
proceeds um do they go into the

973
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:07,640
affordable housing Reserve because this

974
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,599
is declared Surplus Lanes or does it go

975
00:44:10,599 --> 00:44:17,430
into offsetting the cost of the road

976
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:27,349
project we're g to get that answer

977
00:44:27,359 --> 00:44:30,280
through you Mr chair as per the

978
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,040
resolution that was passed by Council a

979
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,880
portion I think 25% does go into the

980
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:36,920
affordable housing reserve and then the

981
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,200
rest will go back to the property

982
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,520
Reserve okay thank you

983
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:45,950
H any other

984
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,400
questions seeing none I do have a quick

985
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,359
one for clarification can somebody

986
00:44:50,359 --> 00:44:54,520
explain how County owned land becomes

987
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:57,880
Surplus um is it first of of all does it

988
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:00,680
go to potentially the the joining land

989
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,280
owners for first dibs on it um can land

990
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,920
owners request County owned land for

991
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:10,390
purchase to be

992
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,400
Surplus three you Mr chair um so

993
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:14,880
typically

994
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,800
a a parcel like this would be taken

995
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,680
through um the senior management team

996
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,160
and if there's no uh deemed purpose for

997
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:26,680
operational um or capital projects then

998
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:28,720
um a report would come forward to deem

999
00:45:28,720 --> 00:45:31,480
the deem the land Surplus um I don't

1000
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,319
know if Mr Walton has anything to add

1001
00:45:33,319 --> 00:45:36,160
but typically that would be our process

1002
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,440
um again for it to go through all of

1003
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:39,760
Senior Management and make sure there

1004
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,240
are no operational operational or

1005
00:45:42,240 --> 00:45:44,920
Capital requirements for the

1006
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,559
land okay if I could just uh expand on

1007
00:45:47,559 --> 00:45:49,880
that a little bit so the not this

1008
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:51,599
particular property but what if there

1009
00:45:51,599 --> 00:45:54,200
was a property out there that was um

1010
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:58,119
County owned um would somebody be able

1011
00:45:58,119 --> 00:46:00,359
to approach the county to suggest

1012
00:46:00,359 --> 00:46:04,160
purchase of that

1013
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:08,040
property through you Mr chair um we do

1014
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:09,520
occasionally it doesn't happen very

1015
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:12,400
often but we can um we do get

1016
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,240
unsolicited um request to purchase and

1017
00:46:15,240 --> 00:46:16,880
again that would um come through a staff

1018
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:18,599
report to councel if it was an

1019
00:46:18,599 --> 00:46:21,720
unsolicited um request to purchase and

1020
00:46:21,720 --> 00:46:23,480
who might one have to contact in order

1021
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:27,040
to do that unsolicited

1022
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,640
through you Mr chair um it can go

1023
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:31,440
through any number of methods typically

1024
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:32,720
the staff person they've been dealing

1025
00:46:32,720 --> 00:46:34,480
with or they come directly to me and I

1026
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:38,400
distribute staff okay thank

1027
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:40,599
you

1028
00:46:40,599 --> 00:46:43,559
okay no other questions on that one oh

1029
00:46:43,559 --> 00:46:47,720
mayor Bailey through you um Mr chair to

1030
00:46:47,720 --> 00:46:50,880
staff would neighbors of that excess Pro

1031
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:53,359
have first refusal on it would we bring

1032
00:46:53,359 --> 00:46:58,000
in a third person if we didn't need to

1033
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,359
through you Mr chair um we don't have a

1034
00:47:00,359 --> 00:47:03,760
policy for first R ref first R refusal

1035
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,000
um but certainly adjacent land owners

1036
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,720
would be aware that it was being

1037
00:47:08,720 --> 00:47:10,839
surplused or would they just be aware

1038
00:47:10,839 --> 00:47:14,470
that it sold to someone

1039
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,880
else you Mr chair it would go through a

1040
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:18,680
public process so they would have the

1041
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,200
same opportunity as anyone else um if

1042
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:22,839
they would like to but we don't have a

1043
00:47:22,839 --> 00:47:25,240
policy for first spr of refusal on

1044
00:47:25,240 --> 00:47:27,960
it maybe we should

1045
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:29,920
thank

1046
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,800
you okay seeing no other questions all

1047
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:34,000
those in

1048
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:37,520
favor opposed that is

1049
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:42,880
carried uh 7.1.4 which is rp-0 21424

1050
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,040
entrance bylaw repeal and replace I'm

1051
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,319
going to move

1052
00:47:47,319 --> 00:47:51,599
her councelor Oakley councelor Kyle

1053
00:47:51,599 --> 00:47:56,000
questions councelor Miller your day um

1054
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:57,480
there there's a there's a a variety of

1055
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:01,280
reasons uh somebody needs a permit uh an

1056
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:02,800
entranceway permit whether it's a new

1057
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,160
permit or they're doing

1058
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:08,480
changes like Paving but also included in

1059
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,440
there is repave I was kind of surprised

1060
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:15,349
at that why is repave need a

1061
00:48:15,359 --> 00:48:19,079
permit through the chair um some minp

1062
00:48:19,079 --> 00:48:21,680
polities we we've researched all of

1063
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:23,480
these things and some municipalities

1064
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,079
have it some don't why we have it and

1065
00:48:26,079 --> 00:48:28,480
why it works for the County of Brandt is

1066
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,960
we are able to you've seen a lot in the

1067
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:33,440
news where uh residents get ripped off

1068
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:37,079
by unscrupulous ashall companies this

1069
00:48:37,079 --> 00:48:39,760
way we are kind of protecting our

1070
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,440
residents by knowing what's being done

1071
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:46,599
and who's in town working and then also

1072
00:48:46,599 --> 00:48:50,119
uh when repaving takes place uh we want

1073
00:48:50,119 --> 00:48:51,960
to know what's taken place because

1074
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:53,680
sometimes people take it upon themselves

1075
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:56,160
to start widening their driveways

1076
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:57,920
without going through the application

1077
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,839
process so it's a small fee staff do the

1078
00:49:00,839 --> 00:49:03,799
followup and then staff also uh are

1079
00:49:03,799 --> 00:49:05,960
monitoring who's in town working and

1080
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,200
who's

1081
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:11,839
not okay fair enough um is it the same

1082
00:49:11,839 --> 00:49:15,630
fee as if I'm putting in a brand

1083
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:19,119
new uh through the uh chair no I do not

1084
00:49:19,119 --> 00:49:20,799
believe it is it's it's it's a much

1085
00:49:20,799 --> 00:49:23,839
smaller fee it's that fee for repaving

1086
00:49:23,839 --> 00:49:27,160
we have not uh increased it many many

1087
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:29,720
years um it's a placeholder and it's

1088
00:49:29,720 --> 00:49:32,520
just to cover our administrative

1089
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:35,440
costs and then the last question I have

1090
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:38,240
I don't know if you can answer maybe um

1091
00:49:38,240 --> 00:49:40,640
I'm reading the reading the

1092
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:43,760
bylaw and it talks about uh granny Suite

1093
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,200
so granny Suites uh they can have their

1094
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:49,440
own entrance which is fine arus I I'm

1095
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:52,040
was surprised the arus are not in this

1096
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:53,880
policy now I read the next report

1097
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:55,799
they're in there um I'm just wondering

1098
00:49:55,799 --> 00:49:57,920
if arus

1099
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,599
shouldn't be also mentioned in that that

1100
00:50:00,599 --> 00:50:03,839
arus cannot have their own entrance

1101
00:50:03,839 --> 00:50:06,240
that's just I don't know

1102
00:50:06,240 --> 00:50:10,920
if if the author has any thoughts on

1103
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:14,200
that uh through the chair uh we did have

1104
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,240
um discussions about that and we were

1105
00:50:16,240 --> 00:50:18,359
trying to make the aru kind of a

1106
00:50:18,359 --> 00:50:21,920
standalone policy um but uh we can take

1107
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:23,799
it back for future considerations if

1108
00:50:23,799 --> 00:50:25,520
there's updates done in the in the

1109
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:27,200
future just a thought again

1110
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:29,640
because I'm looking for theu and I

1111
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:31,599
didn't see it in there so but okay I'll

1112
00:50:31,599 --> 00:50:34,520
leave it at that thank you councel

1113
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:37,960
house thank you Mr J this uh this is a

1114
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:39,440
comment rather than a question is that

1115
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:42,480
all right okay and not specific to Greg

1116
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:45,640
actually but but more to sta in general

1117
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:49,559
the this report included a copy of

1118
00:50:49,559 --> 00:50:53,319
Brandon Court's uh report from January

1119
00:50:53,319 --> 00:50:57,119
2023 which is almost two years ago um um

1120
00:50:57,119 --> 00:51:01,119
about residential parking and and it

1121
00:51:01,119 --> 00:51:02,920
prompted me to be thinking about some of

1122
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:04,799
the recent conversations that we've been

1123
00:51:04,799 --> 00:51:07,079
having at Council and illustrations that

1124
00:51:07,079 --> 00:51:09,720
councelor Bell provided about long

1125
00:51:09,720 --> 00:51:12,200
vehicles on short driveways and and I

1126
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:14,960
was reading through this that that

1127
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:16,839
report from two years ago and and I

1128
00:51:16,839 --> 00:51:20,720
think it references a a minimum 19 foot

1129
00:51:20,720 --> 00:51:22,440
driveway

1130
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:25,520
recommendation and then I Pard me did a

1131
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,119
quick Google on how long is a for def

1132
00:51:28,119 --> 00:51:32,040
150 or a Dodge Ram King Cab and you know

1133
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:34,000
they're they're more than 21 feet long

1134
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:37,040
and and I I and the other thing

1135
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:39,559
that was jumped out at me in in that

1136
00:51:39,559 --> 00:51:43,160
older report was it references the fact

1137
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:46,480
that um there's a Bo there's at least a

1138
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:50,440
fiveyear lag between policies that we

1139
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,960
make and when they actually impact the

1140
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:57,000
way houses are built in this community

1141
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:01,599
and I and I I just my comment is related

1142
00:52:01,599 --> 00:52:05,680
to all of that I sincerely hope that we

1143
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:10,000
are uh initiating some new uh new

1144
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,880
policies and and new new ways of looking

1145
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:16,640
at how long driveways and their

1146
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:20,000
entrances need to be uh for future

1147
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,359
residential dwellings in this community

1148
00:52:22,359 --> 00:52:23,520
just a

1149
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:26,680
comment thank you for that

1150
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:29,829
any other questions

1151
00:52:29,839 --> 00:52:32,720
comments seeing none all in

1152
00:52:32,720 --> 00:52:35,760
favor opposed that is

1153
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:41,160
carried uh moving on to 7.1.5 rp-0 39824

1154
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:43,319
operations policy

1155
00:52:43,319 --> 00:52:47,920
serving additional AR arus

1156
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:51,400
mover council chambers councel Coleman

1157
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:54,359
questions council chambers just not a

1158
00:52:54,359 --> 00:52:56,839
question Mr chairman but a comment and

1159
00:52:56,839 --> 00:53:00,520
uh it's something that I think uh all of

1160
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:02,760
our policies should give consideration

1161
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:05,079
to and that's the wording in the

1162
00:53:05,079 --> 00:53:08,720
policy uh the policy itself seems pretty

1163
00:53:08,720 --> 00:53:11,040
strict uh

1164
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:14,480
one uh the wording that I like is the

1165
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:16,640
general manager of operations May

1166
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:19,000
provide approval of additional Services

1167
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,680
per property when adequate justification

1168
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:25,559
is provided that means that not

1169
00:53:25,559 --> 00:53:27,359
everything fits into the same glove

1170
00:53:27,359 --> 00:53:30,359
there are certain circumstances that may

1171
00:53:30,359 --> 00:53:32,680
uh require common sense to be used when

1172
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:36,280
the policy is being uh put forward and

1173
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:38,920
this gives a it's a notwithstanding

1174
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,440
clause or a loophole uh it gives the

1175
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:44,839
general manager uh the authority to use

1176
00:53:44,839 --> 00:53:49,160
his common sense if justification uh is

1177
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:53,520
uh given and it makes sense to have uh

1178
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:56,119
go outside of the policy that particular

1179
00:53:56,119 --> 00:53:57,200
phrase

1180
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:01,430
should be in all our

1181
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:03,400
policies counc

1182
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:05,760
Miller that a

1183
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:07,280
motion

1184
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:10,960
um the um the policy is saying one

1185
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:15,200
hookup for waterways water fair enough

1186
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:18,480
um the policy is silent when it's

1187
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:19,559
private

1188
00:54:19,559 --> 00:54:21,839
Services should we be putting anything

1189
00:54:21,839 --> 00:54:23,599
in there or should we just leave well

1190
00:54:23,599 --> 00:54:26,079
enough alone and let him decide on a

1191
00:54:26,079 --> 00:54:31,630
case by case

1192
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:34,480
basis oh I think

1193
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:39,750
yeah Rob would like to answer

1194
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:43,240
this the chair to councelor Miller the

1195
00:54:43,240 --> 00:54:44,960
issue of private Services would be dealt

1196
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:46,160
with through the building code and any

1197
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:47,760
issues they had to deal with is

1198
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:49,280
approving that under the building code

1199
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:51,400
so it is Municipal approval but it's

1200
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:53,119
already sort of taken care

1201
00:54:53,119 --> 00:54:57,400
of Miller just just a follow in

1202
00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:59,000
I I need you to explain to me how this

1203
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:01,599
quite works so um somebody on private

1204
00:55:01,599 --> 00:55:03,920
Services puts in an

1205
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:07,040
aru um when they're looking to site

1206
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:10,400
something they they have to um they have

1207
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:12,160
to identify where the neighbors Wells

1208
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:14,040
are and they're septic and all that

1209
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:17,000
correct am I correct on

1210
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:18,839
not in other words we're not just

1211
00:55:18,839 --> 00:55:20,960
looking at their property we got

1212
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:23,960
a through the chair to um Council Miller

1213
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:25,400
depends on what they're doing if if

1214
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:27,799
there if there are building a new septic

1215
00:55:27,799 --> 00:55:29,400
system yes they do have to identify

1216
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:30,599
those things and make sure they have the

1217
00:55:30,599 --> 00:55:32,000
side packs if they don't have to do

1218
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:33,359
anything then then they wouldn't have to

1219
00:55:33,359 --> 00:55:36,640
do that um so it'll come up through the

1220
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:38,400
the the review required on the building

1221
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,359
code of of what's there as whether or

1222
00:55:40,359 --> 00:55:42,440
not they have to improve it or not and

1223
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:43,640
then and then the other things will

1224
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:46,160
follow as per the legislation okay so

1225
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:47,680
nothing in the policy which like I say

1226
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:50,039
is fine but we it if problems arise it

1227
00:55:50,039 --> 00:55:51,319
dealt with through the build that's what

1228
00:55:51,319 --> 00:55:53,440
I need to know okay thank

1229
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:57,000
you anybody else

1230
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:58,680
seeing none all in

1231
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:01,760
favor opposed that is

1232
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:06,440
carried uh moving on to 7.1.6 rpt 0492

1233
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:08,960
d24 traffic modifications G I get a

1234
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:11,880
mover councelor Coleman councel Bell

1235
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:14,680
questions counc beld and councel

1236
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:17,400
Oakley yeah thank you Mr chair um with

1237
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:19,599
respect to the second item which is

1238
00:56:19,599 --> 00:56:22,119
William Street at West River Street um

1239
00:56:22,119 --> 00:56:23,280
of course West River Street is getting

1240
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:26,839
torn up at the moment but I get um about

1241
00:56:26,839 --> 00:56:30,039
an email a week um from residents

1242
00:56:30,039 --> 00:56:34,280
complaining about the that Junction and

1243
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:35,920
90% of the people that write to me say

1244
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:38,599
can we make that a four-way stop because

1245
00:56:38,599 --> 00:56:40,960
that will slow people down on what is

1246
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:45,119
becoming a bit of a Rat Run uh in town

1247
00:56:45,119 --> 00:56:48,720
it's been get more so when we tear up uh

1248
00:56:48,720 --> 00:56:49,960
Grand River Street there'll be more

1249
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:51,280
traffic going that way I think we need

1250
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:53,640
to be thoughtful about how we control

1251
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:56,440
traffic I've said this before uh and and

1252
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:57,920
I think we've made the promise to our

1253
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:00,000
residents that we will put extra

1254
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:01,520
controls in and this would be one of the

1255
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:03,160
extra controls so rather than just

1256
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:07,039
having a another East West uh stop sign

1257
00:57:07,039 --> 00:57:09,640
I'd put in north south north south stop

1258
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:11,680
signs as well and I'd be prepared to

1259
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:19,270
make a motion to that effect come the

1260
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:22,039
time other questions to that oh sorry

1261
00:57:22,039 --> 00:57:23,319
counc Oley

1262
00:57:23,319 --> 00:57:27,880
yes um through you to Greg um in regards

1263
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:29,599
to the first item am I understanding

1264
00:57:29,599 --> 00:57:31,000
correctly that this was essentially turn

1265
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:36,190
that into an Allway stop there in that

1266
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:38,760
intersection yes to the chair sorry uh

1267
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:40,760
you're talking about the Joseph Brandt

1268
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:44,920
yes yes that that's correct that's uh um

1269
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:48,079
was brought to our attention and um it's

1270
00:57:48,079 --> 00:57:50,319
not a non-typical intersection as you

1271
00:57:50,319 --> 00:57:52,960
can see by the diagram it almost looked

1272
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,480
like a connecting lane or link and for

1273
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:58,039
many years it did not have a uh stop

1274
00:57:58,039 --> 00:58:01,240
control there so um it was deficient so

1275
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:02,680
that's that's completing the

1276
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:05,119
intersection there it will be new but we

1277
00:58:05,119 --> 00:58:07,760
uh we'll we'll post it so everyone's

1278
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:10,079
aware perfect thank you very

1279
00:58:10,079 --> 00:58:13,839
much other questions to that Circle back

1280
00:58:13,839 --> 00:58:16,200
to council Bell so uh Mr chair I would

1281
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:18,319
like to make a amendment to this

1282
00:58:18,319 --> 00:58:20,880
recommendation that we make the William

1283
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:22,680
Street at West River Street Council Bell

1284
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:23,920
sorry I'm going to interrupt you for one

1285
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:25,799
second this is just for option for

1286
00:58:25,799 --> 00:58:27,839
number two right number two okay can I

1287
00:58:27,839 --> 00:58:29,880
what I'm going to do then is can we pull

1288
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:31,480
are you in favor to pull number two

1289
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:32,440
we'll get rid of the rest and we'll

1290
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:34,599
Circle back to it yep okay so we're

1291
00:58:34,599 --> 00:58:36,039
going to pull number two which is

1292
00:58:36,039 --> 00:58:37,520
William Street and West River Street so

1293
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:40,079
we're just going to right now uh vote on

1294
00:58:40,079 --> 00:58:42,480
the approval of number one and number

1295
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:44,160
three which is Joseph Branch Street and

1296
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:46,559
wh Swan Road okay everybody's clear on

1297
00:58:46,559 --> 00:58:50,319
that okay so all in favor of one and

1298
00:58:50,319 --> 00:58:53,160
three opposed okay one and three are

1299
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:54,839
carried councelor Bell back to you for

1300
00:58:54,839 --> 00:58:56,960
number two yeah thank you so I would

1301
00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:59,680
like to make Amendment to the

1302
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:01,640
recommendation has presented rather than

1303
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:04,480
being a two-way stop I think I would

1304
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:07,240
prefer to see it as a four-way stop in

1305
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:09,640
response to the many requests from

1306
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:12,240
residents and in the light and in

1307
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:14,440
anticipation of the work we're going to

1308
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:18,319
do on Grand River Street South uh which

1309
00:59:18,319 --> 00:59:20,520
will lead to much more traffic on this

1310
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:22,839
road and the need for more traffic

1311
00:59:22,839 --> 00:59:25,039
control I look for somebody to Second

1312
00:59:25,039 --> 00:59:26,720
mayor Bailey is your second

1313
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:28,680
thank you questions on that councelor

1314
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:30,559
house then councel Chambers and councel

1315
00:59:30,559 --> 00:59:33,000
Oakley uh thanks Mr chair through you I

1316
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:34,920
guess a couple of questions one to

1317
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:38,920
councilor Bell one to Greg uh I'm I'm

1318
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:41,000
wondering whether this is intended as a

1319
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:43,720
temporary measure during The Big Dig or

1320
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:46,119
whether it's it's forever and then I'm

1321
00:59:46,119 --> 00:59:48,520
also interested in Greg's

1322
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:51,520
opinion um and I'm and I'm very

1323
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:54,400
respectful of of the fact that it will

1324
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:57,680
be uh that it has been been a a rat run

1325
00:59:57,680 --> 01:00:00,480
and I love it when you say that um but

1326
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:02,640
the the

1327
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:07,789
uh there that means there'll there'll

1328
01:00:07,799 --> 01:00:11,680
be multiple stop signs on West River

1329
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:15,960
Street from its Southmost Point down by

1330
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:18,280
Lions Park all the way up to the old

1331
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:20,880
penman's building and I'm I'm just

1332
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:24,880
wondering Greg's opinion from his

1333
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:28,760
expertise on on that many stop signs in

1334
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:32,960
that space thanks

1335
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:36,520
Greg yes through the chair um we can

1336
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:38,839
definitely carry out whatever Council uh

1337
01:00:38,839 --> 01:00:41,000
wishes I'd like to see that right off

1338
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:42,880
the Hop uh we have looked at this

1339
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:44,880
intersection many times and looked at

1340
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:47,359
the warrants the warrants aren't there

1341
01:00:47,359 --> 01:00:48,520
um because you're looking at

1342
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:51,839
intersecting traffic flows uh stop signs

1343
01:00:51,839 --> 01:00:55,240
do not work as traffic calming um we'll

1344
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:57,240
put in a stop sign there and then the

1345
01:00:57,240 --> 01:00:58,640
same residents are going to call us and

1346
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:00,039
tell us that people aren't stopping at

1347
01:01:00,039 --> 01:01:02,680
the stop sign because there's not enough

1348
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:05,920
traffic queuing on those side roads to

1349
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:08,799
indicate for people to stop busy

1350
01:01:08,799 --> 01:01:11,280
intersections require four-way stops and

1351
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:13,160
the indicator to stop is because as you

1352
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:15,599
approach it you see cars there when you

1353
01:01:15,599 --> 01:01:17,599
start seeing intersections where

1354
01:01:17,599 --> 01:01:19,599
typically you're using every day and you

1355
01:01:19,599 --> 01:01:21,400
don't see a lot of traffic there people

1356
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:25,160
don't stop I think the county um we've

1357
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:27,400
we've depleted the brand safe Street's

1358
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:29,720
budget year after year since it's been

1359
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:32,799
provided by Council I think um in this

1360
01:01:32,799 --> 01:01:35,359
scenario that we we uh Implement more

1361
01:01:35,359 --> 01:01:37,559
traffic calming in the area if if it's

1362
01:01:37,559 --> 01:01:40,559
traffic calming that uh is the desired

1363
01:01:40,559 --> 01:01:43,440
effect which I I believe it is but um

1364
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:45,079
that's my only concern about putting in

1365
01:01:45,079 --> 01:01:47,520
stop signs where they're not warranted

1366
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:51,269
they lead to other

1367
01:01:51,279 --> 01:01:53,359
issues council

1368
01:01:53,359 --> 01:01:57,079
chambers just uh know disagree maybe

1369
01:01:57,079 --> 01:01:59,440
that four-way stop would be good but I'm

1370
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:02,119
not the expert and we have invested a

1371
01:02:02,119 --> 01:02:04,960
lot of money in Branch Safe Streets that

1372
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:06,839
look at these intersections and look at

1373
01:02:06,839 --> 01:02:11,279
every intersection and uh use uh science

1374
01:02:11,279 --> 01:02:13,079
if you want rather than

1375
01:02:13,079 --> 01:02:17,200
political uh um Direction so I'm not

1376
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:18,880
going to support the recommendation I'm

1377
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:21,279
going to I'm not going to support the

1378
01:02:21,279 --> 01:02:23,640
resolution I am going to support the

1379
01:02:23,640 --> 01:02:26,480
brand safe Street's recommendation

1380
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:29,839
uh I have been asked many many times for

1381
01:02:29,839 --> 01:02:31,480
four-way stops in the village of

1382
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:34,200
Scotland berford and everywhere else for

1383
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:36,039
that matter and I've always relied on

1384
01:02:36,039 --> 01:02:37,599
the experts to tell me whether they're

1385
01:02:37,599 --> 01:02:41,039
warranted or not and in this case we've

1386
01:02:41,039 --> 01:02:43,440
just heard that a forway stop is not

1387
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:46,559
warranted so if it is not warranted then

1388
01:02:46,559 --> 01:02:48,880
I'm not going to support

1389
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:52,160
it councel O then councelor Bell um

1390
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:54,480
through you Mr chair um councelor house

1391
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:57,079
and counc Lely said what I wanted to say

1392
01:02:57,079 --> 01:03:00,480
but I'll just also add on there that um

1393
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:02,720
you know I think the bran Safe Streets

1394
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:04,079
is is the way to take this and I think

1395
01:03:04,079 --> 01:03:05,480
if we're constantly running out of our

1396
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:06,839
budget each year and one of the things I

1397
01:03:06,839 --> 01:03:09,400
hear constantly about that program is um

1398
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:10,680
that people want to see more out of it

1399
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:12,359
perhaps that means that budget or that

1400
01:03:12,359 --> 01:03:15,039
program needs a bit more budget to it

1401
01:03:15,039 --> 01:03:18,720
so counc Bill yeah uh thank you I have

1402
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:23,480
two comments um one is that may not be

1403
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:26,559
warranted today but the minute we start

1404
01:03:26,559 --> 01:03:28,960
diverting traffic off West River off

1405
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:31,079
Grand River Street we're going to change

1406
01:03:31,079 --> 01:03:35,079
the traffic volumes considerably so you

1407
01:03:35,079 --> 01:03:37,000
recognizing exactly what council of

1408
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:39,720
chamber says I'd appreciate that if we

1409
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:41,920
could run the calculations on the basis

1410
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:43,640
that traffic that normally goes through

1411
01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:45,039
Grand River Street is going through West

1412
01:03:45,039 --> 01:03:46,760
River Street and see whether it's still

1413
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:49,520
warranted or not but even beyond that I

1414
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:52,559
think we've made a commitment to our

1415
01:03:52,559 --> 01:03:54,279
residents of West River Street that we

1416
01:03:54,279 --> 01:03:56,279
will control that traffic

1417
01:03:56,279 --> 01:03:58,039
During the period at least when we're

1418
01:03:58,039 --> 01:04:00,640
digging up the road and I think what H

1419
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:02,200
what will happen is that people will

1420
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:04,240
actually become quite comfortable with

1421
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:08,119
that by bypass and it becomes actually

1422
01:04:08,119 --> 01:04:11,359
not the the bypass but it becomes the

1423
01:04:11,359 --> 01:04:15,880
road so second second point the we just

1424
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:20,039
three minutes ago approved a junction of

1425
01:04:20,039 --> 01:04:23,240
Joseph Brown Street M Holland Street I

1426
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:25,039
cannot believe because I walk that way

1427
01:04:25,039 --> 01:04:26,720
every day

1428
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:29,599
that that would warrant and always stop

1429
01:04:29,599 --> 01:04:32,680
and across there would not I I I'm

1430
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:36,559
completely lost in terms of the

1431
01:04:36,559 --> 01:04:39,119
justification through the chair I can uh

1432
01:04:39,119 --> 01:04:41,480
I can explain that so if you look at the

1433
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:44,119
diagram there's only one stop sign at

1434
01:04:44,119 --> 01:04:46,680
that location so everyone has free

1435
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:49,240
movement there there's not there's not a

1436
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:52,640
control so people can legally turn into

1437
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:53,920
someone's

1438
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:56,680
path where the others section you have a

1439
01:04:56,680 --> 01:05:00,240
two-way stop the One Stop was missing so

1440
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:01,920
that's why we're putting it in there

1441
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:04,160
it's a cleanup it's the same scenario so

1442
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:06,440
you now have the intersecting roads you

1443
01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:08,160
have a stop on both sides and you have

1444
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:11,680
free flow here you only have one one

1445
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:14,799
stop sign and there's three entrances to

1446
01:05:14,799 --> 01:05:17,039
this intersection so that's that's the

1447
01:05:17,039 --> 01:05:19,839
issue there's stop controls

1448
01:05:19,839 --> 01:05:22,440
missing it defies Common Sense Greg

1449
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:26,039
sorry I Walk This Road almost every day

1450
01:05:26,039 --> 01:05:28,480
I see virtually no traffic Lucas lives

1451
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:30,760
on the corner he probably can testify to

1452
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:33,079
the volumes of traffic contrast that

1453
01:05:33,079 --> 01:05:35,760
with West River Street there's a just a

1454
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:38,520
two three orders of magnitude difference

1455
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:41,000
and if you look at West River Street now

1456
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:42,880
people come down

1457
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:45,559
from the the railway line and they're

1458
01:05:45,559 --> 01:05:46,920
actually coming down a hill at that

1459
01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:49,599
point so there's a double issue there

1460
01:05:49,599 --> 01:05:51,119
people are actually speeding up as you

1461
01:05:51,119 --> 01:05:54,000
go down that hill so I I accept that it

1462
01:05:54,000 --> 01:05:56,559
may not be technically warranted but

1463
01:05:56,559 --> 01:05:59,119
Common Sense should Prevail in this case

1464
01:05:59,119 --> 01:06:03,549
and I I will keep my motion on the

1465
01:06:03,559 --> 01:06:08,470
floor any other

1466
01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:10,480
questions Okay so we've got a motion on

1467
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:13,400
the floor seconded to make that a

1468
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:17,839
four-way stop at West River and William

1469
01:06:17,839 --> 01:06:19,920
no more further questions all in favor

1470
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:30,390
of the motion

1471
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:33,160
opposed guess that's

1472
01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:39,829
a motion is carried six to

1473
01:06:39,839 --> 01:06:42,480
five councilor

1474
01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:44,960
Chambers would it be in order for me to

1475
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:48,079
uh move that a four-way stop be placed

1476
01:06:48,079 --> 01:06:50,599
at intersection in Scotland which has

1477
01:06:50,599 --> 01:06:52,279
been requested many times but turned

1478
01:06:52,279 --> 01:06:54,520
down because it has not been warranted

1479
01:06:54,520 --> 01:06:57,400
would you entertain a at this time to do

1480
01:06:57,400 --> 01:07:00,599
that there's also a situation in bford

1481
01:07:00,599 --> 01:07:02,039
that has not been warranted but has been

1482
01:07:02,039 --> 01:07:04,400
requested by me many times for it to be

1483
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:07,559
a four-way stop my point is are we now

1484
01:07:07,559 --> 01:07:11,319
going to uh move into the realm of

1485
01:07:11,319 --> 01:07:14,640
wherever what is brought to us we ignore

1486
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:16,440
Safe Streets that we've invested all

1487
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:19,880
kinds of money in and uh rely on Experts

1488
01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:23,319
to inform us uh now we're going to go

1489
01:07:23,319 --> 01:07:26,880
with what we think we call Common Sense

1490
01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:28,520
be prepared for a few motions to come

1491
01:07:28,520 --> 01:07:30,200
forward at our next meeting for four-way

1492
01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:31,799
stops in various situations throughout

1493
01:07:31,799 --> 01:07:32,559
the

1494
01:07:32,559 --> 01:07:35,000
county I I think I appreciate what

1495
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:36,319
you're saying councilor Chambers but I

1496
01:07:36,319 --> 01:07:37,720
think also with this one here there's

1497
01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:40,520
the addition of the fact that we did say

1498
01:07:40,520 --> 01:07:42,520
when Grand River Street is closed all

1499
01:07:42,520 --> 01:07:44,279
the traffic is going to reroute that way

1500
01:07:44,279 --> 01:07:45,520
and I think this is a preemptive

1501
01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:48,799
medicine for that and uh if you want to

1502
01:07:48,799 --> 01:07:50,319
bring your motions you're totally free

1503
01:07:50,319 --> 01:07:52,680
to bring your motions so by understand

1504
01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:54,640
this is a temporary four-way stop while

1505
01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:57,640
the Dig is being done no so it's a

1506
01:07:57,640 --> 01:08:00,630
permanent forway

1507
01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:04,359
stop okay moving on uh

1508
01:08:04,359 --> 01:08:09,839
7.1.7 uh rpt 0521 d24 2025 fees and

1509
01:08:09,839 --> 01:08:12,480
charges can I get a

1510
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:17,359
move councilor McAlpine councelor Kyle

1511
01:08:17,359 --> 01:08:20,920
questions councelor Miller the fees

1512
01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:24,199
themselves um a lot of them are cost

1513
01:08:24,199 --> 01:08:28,839
recovery some we try and U promote or

1514
01:08:28,839 --> 01:08:30,640
discourage a certain

1515
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:32,960
Behavior other times we're looking at

1516
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:34,600
and we take into consideration what

1517
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:37,520
other municipalities are charging

1518
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:40,159
especially around facilities um when

1519
01:08:40,159 --> 01:08:42,080
we're trying to promote an

1520
01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:44,600
activity um one of the things I think

1521
01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:47,480
about is uh maybe

1522
01:08:47,480 --> 01:08:49,839
recycling was there any thoughts given

1523
01:08:49,839 --> 01:08:54,430
to not raising the blue box

1524
01:08:54,440 --> 01:09:11,110
price who can comment on

1525
01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:14,839
that Andrew yep through you chair um

1526
01:09:14,839 --> 01:09:16,440
with the blue box transition and the

1527
01:09:16,440 --> 01:09:19,159
changes to the regulations the support

1528
01:09:19,159 --> 01:09:22,000
and distribution of blue boxes is going

1529
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:25,080
to be done through the province in SEO

1530
01:09:25,080 --> 01:09:25,880
um

1531
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:27,120
I understand what you're saying and we

1532
01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:30,759
can take that back uh the idea is um

1533
01:09:30,759 --> 01:09:32,759
over the short term to continue making

1534
01:09:32,759 --> 01:09:34,480
it easy for residents to move through

1535
01:09:34,480 --> 01:09:37,199
the transition um and figuring out how

1536
01:09:37,199 --> 01:09:40,000
best to do that moving forward counc

1537
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:42,080
Miller that follow up with Andrew and

1538
01:09:42,080 --> 01:09:44,359
then one more question um just uh so so

1539
01:09:44,359 --> 01:09:47,640
so along those lines um did uh I could

1540
01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:48,640
have asked the same thing about

1541
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:52,560
composters um again raise the fees we're

1542
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:54,199
trying to save that landfill as best we

1543
01:09:54,199 --> 01:09:57,760
can um did you have input Andre into

1544
01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:00,920
those fees and and like you say did you

1545
01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:03,040
look at them think well are they the

1546
01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:06,080
best idea y through you chair we were uh

1547
01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:07,960
it's not a money making on these it's

1548
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:10,080
just Cost recovery so I mean again we

1549
01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:12,040
could look at lowering those fees to

1550
01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:15,199
encourage it um to encourage the use um

1551
01:10:15,199 --> 01:10:17,320
then we would have to find a way to

1552
01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:19,679
subsidize yeah it would be part of a

1553
01:10:19,679 --> 01:10:21,560
larger strategy but like I said I don't

1554
01:10:21,560 --> 01:10:24,320
I just it just I was looking

1555
01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:26,600
at it says in the report you try and

1556
01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:28,120
encourage certain behavior and

1557
01:10:28,120 --> 01:10:30,640
discourage others so and then the second

1558
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:32,920
question um again cost

1559
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:37,520
recovery and I I'll just pull one out um

1560
01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:38,920
I was asked about it specifically and

1561
01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:42,239
that say uh for a liquor license permit

1562
01:10:42,239 --> 01:10:45,159
uh we're going from 142 plus

1563
01:10:45,159 --> 01:10:47,920
149 something like that an agency letter

1564
01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:50,400
for liquor license what would that

1565
01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:52,360
entail as far staff time that it needs

1566
01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:53,679
to be charged

1567
01:10:53,679 --> 01:10:56,560
$149 is St able to answer that very

1568
01:10:56,560 --> 01:11:01,310
specific question or not

1569
01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:04,040
today and there's about 50 others I

1570
01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:05,840
could pull out and say what how much

1571
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:09,400
staff time does it take to do that so

1572
01:11:09,400 --> 01:11:11,280
I'm sorry are we talking the liquor

1573
01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:14,679
license yeah uh page 152 of our report

1574
01:11:14,679 --> 01:11:16,679
so it's it's not just the letter it's

1575
01:11:16,679 --> 01:11:19,080
the letter plus uh building and fire

1576
01:11:19,080 --> 01:11:22,520
both do a an inspection so it's two

1577
01:11:22,520 --> 01:11:25,600
inspections plus the municipal letter um

1578
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:26,920
that go into that

1579
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:30,600
fee okay so I suspect they don't go out

1580
01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:33,000
to the same building time after time if

1581
01:11:33,000 --> 01:11:35,480
it's a same facility asking for the

1582
01:11:35,480 --> 01:11:37,199
license it's only when they're doing a

1583
01:11:37,199 --> 01:11:39,600
permanent license so like um like

1584
01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:41,840
temporary licenses temporary Le license

1585
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:44,600
or like one-time event licenses don't

1586
01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:46,719
have that fee it's just when they need

1587
01:11:46,719 --> 01:11:48,800
an actual letter from municipality that

1588
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:52,360
says fire signed off um the Count's okay

1589
01:11:52,360 --> 01:11:54,600
with it and and building that's when we

1590
01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:56,760
we charge that and it's mostly the

1591
01:11:56,760 --> 01:12:00,760
inspection fees okay thank

1592
01:12:00,760 --> 01:12:04,679
you any other questions on that

1593
01:12:04,679 --> 01:12:08,159
report seeing none all in

1594
01:12:08,159 --> 01:12:11,880
favor opposed that is

1595
01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:17,199
carried uh 7.1.0 rpt 0345 d24 contract

1596
01:12:17,199 --> 01:12:18,719
extension for water and wastewater

1597
01:12:18,719 --> 01:12:20,840
Billing Services can I get a mover mayor

1598
01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:22,440
Bailey

1599
01:12:22,440 --> 01:12:29,510
seconder councelor Kyle questions

1600
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:31,360
seeing none all in

1601
01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:36,149
favor opposed that is

1602
01:12:36,159 --> 01:12:38,800
carried uh final one

1603
01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:42,880
rp-50 3-24 the 2025 Paramedic Services

1604
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:45,159
budget can I get a mover councelor

1605
01:12:45,159 --> 01:12:49,480
Coleman councel Oakley questions Council

1606
01:12:49,480 --> 01:12:52,880
B yeah thank you Mr chair first of all a

1607
01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:56,719
comment um we're seeing

1608
01:12:56,719 --> 01:13:00,560
18.6% change in in the budget from last

1609
01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:03,199
year a lot of that's driven by

1610
01:13:03,199 --> 01:13:06,159
additional ambulance and I noticed in

1611
01:13:06,159 --> 01:13:09,639
the capital forecast every couple of

1612
01:13:09,639 --> 01:13:11,880
years we're going to add an ambulance

1613
01:13:11,880 --> 01:13:13,320
but it's not just adding an ambulance

1614
01:13:13,320 --> 01:13:15,639
it's adding the crew that goes with the

1615
01:13:15,639 --> 01:13:18,440
amb ambulance so can we anticipate that

1616
01:13:18,440 --> 01:13:20,400
we will see

1617
01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:22,840
significant uh percentage increases in

1618
01:13:22,840 --> 01:13:26,920
in budget every second year from now on

1619
01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:28,600
um it's it's not necessarily when you

1620
01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:30,440
replace an ambulance you add staff as

1621
01:13:30,440 --> 01:13:32,719
well is there's an additional ambulance

1622
01:13:32,719 --> 01:13:35,199
coming on board then then then these are

1623
01:13:35,199 --> 01:13:36,520
additional these are additional every

1624
01:13:36,520 --> 01:13:39,639
two years is's an additional ambulance

1625
01:13:39,639 --> 01:13:41,760
coming there's Replacements and there's

1626
01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:47,350
additionals these are additionals okay

1627
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:50,360
Cindy uh through the

1628
01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:54,040
chair um so the I guess the ambulance

1629
01:13:54,040 --> 01:13:56,400
strategic action plan that was done back

1630
01:13:56,400 --> 01:13:58,360
in 2016 did

1631
01:13:58,360 --> 01:14:02,719
recommend based on forecasting of um

1632
01:14:02,719 --> 01:14:05,480
call projections that a 12-hour

1633
01:14:05,480 --> 01:14:08,920
ambulance be placed on every two years

1634
01:14:08,920 --> 01:14:14,080
um so that is what is Cap uh a new study

1635
01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:18,000
um because that study has sort of now

1636
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:21,719
expired and um conditions have changed

1637
01:14:21,719 --> 01:14:25,440
um so whatever comes back from that will

1638
01:14:25,440 --> 01:14:28,520
probably adjust the future Capital

1639
01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:32,679
forecast and um what our sort of

1640
01:14:32,679 --> 01:14:34,560
capacity and resource requirements will

1641
01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:37,400
be for the next five to 10

1642
01:14:37,400 --> 01:14:40,320
years thank you but to be clear Cindy

1643
01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:41,840
when we get a new

1644
01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:44,199
ambulance what's the what is the crew

1645
01:14:44,199 --> 01:14:46,960
implication of that how many people do

1646
01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:50,280
we need additionally to crew another

1647
01:14:50,280 --> 01:14:53,280
ambulance uh through the chair so for

1648
01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:56,400
for 2025 with the 12 hour our ambulance

1649
01:14:56,400 --> 01:14:58,880
um that's a a staff of four

1650
01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:01,960
ft sorry I I missed that four full-time

1651
01:15:01,960 --> 01:15:03,840
equivalent sta four full-time for 12

1652
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:05,960
hour yeah so every two years we going to

1653
01:15:05,960 --> 01:15:07,920
be adding effectively four full-time

1654
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:09,719
equivalents and there'll be a trigger

1655
01:15:09,719 --> 01:15:12,960
point where we add another supervisory

1656
01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:16,000
level so my my point is we can expect

1657
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:18,400
fairly sign fairly significant

1658
01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:20,719
percentage increases on budget every

1659
01:15:20,719 --> 01:15:23,360
second year just because of adding an

1660
01:15:23,360 --> 01:15:27,550
ambulance

1661
01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:29,400
just just an observation I'm I'm not

1662
01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:31,440
doubting I don't think it's a bad thing

1663
01:15:31,440 --> 01:15:35,040
but I will make the point that um

1664
01:15:35,040 --> 01:15:39,280
Paramedic Services is very responsive to

1665
01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:40,600
population

1666
01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:43,920
growth and what I'm seeing in the health

1667
01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:46,960
unit is that they're not and they should

1668
01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:49,520
be and there are other areas that should

1669
01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:52,960
be sensitive to population growth even

1670
01:15:52,960 --> 01:15:56,159
our own stuffing of of the county staff

1671
01:15:56,159 --> 01:15:59,760
has to be in many respects sensitive to

1672
01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:02,639
the growth in population so it's just a

1673
01:16:02,639 --> 01:16:06,159
a warning a notice to us all that as we

1674
01:16:06,159 --> 01:16:09,560
grow then we must expect our budgets to

1675
01:16:09,560 --> 01:16:11,400
grow as well and sometimes they going to

1676
01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:14,760
grow in excess of the increased Revenue

1677
01:16:14,760 --> 01:16:16,520
we get from that increased population

1678
01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:19,239
and this will be one of those examples

1679
01:16:19,239 --> 01:16:21,080
thank

1680
01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:25,639
you councilor Miller just um councilor

1681
01:16:25,639 --> 01:16:29,199
Bell's uh query it's a good query

1682
01:16:29,199 --> 01:16:33,760
um we we we know currently The Paramedic

1683
01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:35,480
Services are over subscribed they're

1684
01:16:35,480 --> 01:16:38,920
over 100% usage um when we add this

1685
01:16:38,920 --> 01:16:42,360
ambulance this half ambulance um we're

1686
01:16:42,360 --> 01:16:46,320
still going to be over 100% so the the

1687
01:16:46,320 --> 01:16:48,960
addition of the ambulances I don't see

1688
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:50,960
that going away for the next foreseeable

1689
01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:52,639
future now one of the big drivers of

1690
01:16:52,639 --> 01:16:55,000
that is Hospital weight times I think we

1691
01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:57,800
all know that we've discussed it um it

1692
01:16:57,800 --> 01:17:00,400
was at one point the average was 1 hour

1693
01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:02,719
and 6 minutes earlier this year um it's

1694
01:17:02,719 --> 01:17:04,679
the our last report was down to 53

1695
01:17:04,679 --> 01:17:07,840
minutes if we could ever get a handle on

1696
01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:09,239
that where they just come in and drop

1697
01:17:09,239 --> 01:17:12,080
them off we would see our uh our needs

1698
01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:14,440
for amulance drop substantially but it's

1699
01:17:14,440 --> 01:17:15,920
it's an issue we've been fighting we've

1700
01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:18,199
had meetings at various Municipal

1701
01:17:18,199 --> 01:17:20,760
conferences so around this table we're

1702
01:17:20,760 --> 01:17:22,280
not going to solve it we'll work at it

1703
01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:23,639
we'll chip away at it we'll do it with

1704
01:17:23,639 --> 01:17:25,679
other municipalities but unless and

1705
01:17:25,679 --> 01:17:27,760
until that that is drastically affected

1706
01:17:27,760 --> 01:17:29,560
yeah that trajectory for more

1707
01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:32,400
ambulance is not going

1708
01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:35,480
away council chambers just a comment uh

1709
01:17:35,480 --> 01:17:37,560
Mr chairman I find it a little bit

1710
01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:40,440
unusual that The Paramedic Services

1711
01:17:40,440 --> 01:17:43,440
budget which is in excess of almost $30

1712
01:17:43,440 --> 01:17:46,520
million is placed on our agenda as a

1713
01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:47,760
consent

1714
01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:52,440
item I think in the future items such as

1715
01:17:52,440 --> 01:17:54,440
this should be items where we can

1716
01:17:54,440 --> 01:17:57,320
discuss it rather than a consent item

1717
01:17:57,320 --> 01:18:00,480
which we're supposed to just uh if we

1718
01:18:00,480 --> 01:18:02,040
have questions ahead of time ask them

1719
01:18:02,040 --> 01:18:05,840
but otherwise we uh accept them

1720
01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:09,199
similarily truly noted any other

1721
01:18:09,199 --> 01:18:11,520
questions on that

1722
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:14,239
report all in

1723
01:18:14,239 --> 01:18:18,440
favor opposed that is

1724
01:18:18,440 --> 01:18:21,639
carried okay uh moving on to section 7.2

1725
01:18:21,639 --> 01:18:23,280
consent items to be received does

1726
01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:26,400
anybody want any of those polls

1727
01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:27,840
councelor

1728
01:18:27,840 --> 01:18:33,520
Miller well I wouldn't mind 7.2.1

1729
01:18:33,520 --> 01:18:36,910
pulled

1730
01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:40,120
7.2.3 okay so that's the annual billing

1731
01:18:40,120 --> 01:18:44,239
statement and the age friendly community

1732
01:18:44,239 --> 01:18:46,920
plan and councelor Bell yours was

1733
01:18:46,920 --> 01:18:49,880
7.2.1 anybody else want any

1734
01:18:49,880 --> 01:18:51,920
pulled okay so we're going to vote on

1735
01:18:51,920 --> 01:18:56,000
7.2.2 and 2.4 all those in

1736
01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:57,719
favor

1737
01:18:57,719 --> 01:19:00,800
opposed those are carried 7.2.1

1738
01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:01,679
councelor

1739
01:19:01,679 --> 01:19:04,639
Miller okay just a quick question um

1740
01:19:04,639 --> 01:19:08,199
it's a little bit opaque that report um

1741
01:19:08,199 --> 01:19:11,800
I know we spent almost $6 million in

1742
01:19:11,800 --> 01:19:14,639
2023 it looks like 2025 is going to be

1743
01:19:14,639 --> 01:19:16,920
$7 million that's a million dollar

1744
01:19:16,920 --> 01:19:19,120
increase from two years ago okay I just

1745
01:19:19,120 --> 01:19:21,440
wonder what did we spend in

1746
01:19:21,440 --> 01:19:24,080
2024 I just want that percentage and I

1747
01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:27,000
never seen it this

1748
01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:36,830
report anybody have

1749
01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:40,320
that anybody able to get us

1750
01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:44,350
that it must be

1751
01:19:44,360 --> 01:19:46,480
opaque I think we're just looking for it

1752
01:19:46,480 --> 01:19:48,760
right now stand

1753
01:19:48,760 --> 01:19:51,239
by I think Finance is just looking for

1754
01:19:51,239 --> 01:19:52,840
that we don't have like is they

1755
01:19:52,840 --> 01:19:55,080
reconcile at the end of the year so we

1756
01:19:55,080 --> 01:19:56,480
can certainly find what they had

1757
01:19:56,480 --> 01:19:59,080
budgeted for this time for 2024 it's

1758
01:19:59,080 --> 01:20:01,159
just we won't have the final what we

1759
01:20:01,159 --> 01:20:11,709
actually spent in

1760
01:20:11,719 --> 01:20:17,719
2024 uh through you Mr chair uh for 2024

1761
01:20:17,719 --> 01:20:26,110
we budgeted um five 5, 834000

1762
01:20:26,120 --> 01:20:27,920
okay so just to be clear then we

1763
01:20:27,920 --> 01:20:31,159
budgeted Less in 2024 than what the

1764
01:20:31,159 --> 01:20:34,320
reconciled statement was for 20123 well

1765
01:20:34,320 --> 01:20:36,600
that through Mr chair through the chair

1766
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:40,360
the 2023 reconciliation just came in

1767
01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:43,440
right as part of this as part of the

1768
01:20:43,440 --> 01:20:46,480
2025 amount that they're a full year

1769
01:20:46,480 --> 01:20:48,520
behind in the

1770
01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:50,760
reconciliations okay so that's in

1771
01:20:50,760 --> 01:20:52,679
percentage terms

1772
01:20:52,679 --> 01:20:56,560
that's that's quite large then

1773
01:20:56,560 --> 01:20:58,600
yes um

1774
01:20:58,600 --> 01:21:02,840
do what do are we going to investigate

1775
01:21:02,840 --> 01:21:05,360
this in more detail or do we just what

1776
01:21:05,360 --> 01:21:06,760
are we doing are we just receiving it

1777
01:21:06,760 --> 01:21:09,030
and

1778
01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:11,719
taking is there options later on to

1779
01:21:11,719 --> 01:21:14,440
through the budget process to I guess

1780
01:21:14,440 --> 01:21:18,800
deal with that okay counc Bell yeah I

1781
01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:19,920
think Council Mill's got all my

1782
01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:22,800
observations there thank you

1783
01:21:22,800 --> 01:21:26,560
okay nothing else on

1784
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:30,470
7.2.1 all in favor

1785
01:21:30,480 --> 01:21:34,440
7.2.1 opposed that one's carried uh

1786
01:21:34,440 --> 01:21:37,880
7.2.3 councelor Miller um as far as the

1787
01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:40,280
update goes I appreciate that sar's work

1788
01:21:40,280 --> 01:21:43,239
on that just a quick question um does

1789
01:21:43,239 --> 01:21:46,800
this this can be modified changed over

1790
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:50,280
time this plan like all plans I think

1791
01:21:50,280 --> 01:21:53,080
it's a

1792
01:21:53,080 --> 01:21:55,920
docum and there's AAS I'm

1793
01:21:55,920 --> 01:21:58,400
asking through the chair yeah this plan

1794
01:21:58,400 --> 01:22:01,360
will be will be modified as we move

1795
01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:04,719
forward oh um and the reason I'm asking

1796
01:22:04,719 --> 01:22:07,120
is is I'm going through it and that's

1797
01:22:07,120 --> 01:22:08,440
it's interesting because Greg demir's

1798
01:22:08,440 --> 01:22:10,679
actually talked about it uh

1799
01:22:10,679 --> 01:22:13,120
scammers if you look talk about seniors

1800
01:22:13,120 --> 01:22:15,080
one of the biggest things that they face

1801
01:22:15,080 --> 01:22:16,920
is scammers and people Target the

1802
01:22:16,920 --> 01:22:18,679
seniors whether it's it's a phone call

1803
01:22:18,679 --> 01:22:20,080
saying I'm your grandson you know I've

1804
01:22:20,080 --> 01:22:22,760
been put in jail um which makes it

1805
01:22:22,760 --> 01:22:25,239
harder for

1806
01:22:25,239 --> 01:22:27,560
real grandchildren that earn jail to get

1807
01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:29,560
help

1808
01:22:29,560 --> 01:22:32,960
um but and then there's a there's a scam

1809
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:34,560
in Toronto going around they talk about

1810
01:22:34,560 --> 01:22:35,679
it they're show up we're going to do

1811
01:22:35,679 --> 01:22:37,199
your roof and they show pictures of the

1812
01:22:37,199 --> 01:22:39,400
roof it's not even their roof so anyways

1813
01:22:39,400 --> 01:22:42,159
their targets of scamers the only real

1814
01:22:42,159 --> 01:22:44,480
thing we've looked at is uh maybe

1815
01:22:44,480 --> 01:22:46,600
through the elder abuse committee um

1816
01:22:46,600 --> 01:22:48,560
that's the closest thing they they talk

1817
01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:50,440
about scamming but it's a very very

1818
01:22:50,440 --> 01:22:52,480
small part of that with the elder abuse

1819
01:22:52,480 --> 01:22:53,800
committee the elder abuse committee

1820
01:22:53,800 --> 01:22:56,840
deals mainly with um people that they

1821
01:22:56,840 --> 01:22:58,560
know on an ongoing basis whether it's a

1822
01:22:58,560 --> 01:23:00,480
relative whether it's a caregiver so

1823
01:23:00,480 --> 01:23:03,920
forth so um and if you go to Norfolk uh

1824
01:23:03,920 --> 01:23:07,400
they in their um age friendly document

1825
01:23:07,400 --> 01:23:09,360
that they they do put quite a bit of

1826
01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:11,520
emphasis on on scamming and how to

1827
01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:13,280
protect seniors and I'm just I'm going

1828
01:23:13,280 --> 01:23:14,960
to ask is there anything we could do to

1829
01:23:14,960 --> 01:23:28,390
maybe to um to help them out

1830
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:30,960
on uh through the chair actually yeah we

1831
01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:33,480
work with um that that group very

1832
01:23:33,480 --> 01:23:35,880
closely and we have actually offered

1833
01:23:35,880 --> 01:23:38,560
workshops in the past as they come up um

1834
01:23:38,560 --> 01:23:40,960
through the gr River Council of Aging

1835
01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:43,560
they often do those types of workshops

1836
01:23:43,560 --> 01:23:46,480
and workshop series um so it's just

1837
01:23:46,480 --> 01:23:49,320
basically as requested and we're happy

1838
01:23:49,320 --> 01:23:53,639
to to um communicate back to them and

1839
01:23:53,639 --> 01:23:55,320
maybe we can work on on bringing that

1840
01:23:55,320 --> 01:23:56,560
forward

1841
01:23:56,560 --> 01:23:59,120
again again I I just I think it's a very

1842
01:23:59,120 --> 01:24:01,320
important issue it really is whether

1843
01:24:01,320 --> 01:24:03,040
it's that somebody calling from say

1844
01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:05,120
they're from CRA or you've lost your

1845
01:24:05,120 --> 01:24:07,440
credit card so it's happening so okay

1846
01:24:07,440 --> 01:24:10,960
thank you okay all right uh so we're

1847
01:24:10,960 --> 01:24:14,040
going to vote on 7.1.3 all in

1848
01:24:14,040 --> 01:24:17,880
favor opposed that is carried we are

1849
01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:23,310
going to take a two-minute recess

1850
01:24:23,320 --> 01:24:53,310
here

1851
01:24:53,320 --> 01:28:13,830
e e

1852
01:28:13,840 --> 01:28:16,000
okay uh thank you uh appreciate that

1853
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:17,960
short break uh we are moving on to staff

1854
01:28:17,960 --> 01:28:22,960
reports uh staff report 8.1 rpt 0483 d24

1855
01:28:22,960 --> 01:28:24,719
councelor garau has a conflict with that

1856
01:28:24,719 --> 01:28:27,159
she has removed herself can I get a m to

1857
01:28:27,159 --> 01:28:29,040
get that on the floor councelor Coleman

1858
01:28:29,040 --> 01:28:35,149
councelor Oakley questions on that

1859
01:28:35,159 --> 01:28:39,550
report counc

1860
01:28:39,560 --> 01:28:42,679
Coman this just surprises the H of me

1861
01:28:42,679 --> 01:28:46,119
that nobody got any questions on this on

1862
01:28:46,119 --> 01:28:48,480
a replacement of 18 vehicles I had

1863
01:28:48,480 --> 01:28:51,239
questions yesterday I did phone Greg he

1864
01:28:51,239 --> 01:28:53,560
give me the answers but I cannot believe

1865
01:28:53,560 --> 01:28:55,480
that 11 or 10 of us sitting here around

1866
01:28:55,480 --> 01:28:58,320
this horse right now has no

1867
01:28:58,320 --> 01:29:00,199
questions councelor Bell you got have a

1868
01:29:00,199 --> 01:29:02,000
question I have a question just to help

1869
01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:05,679
just help Brian out no I I was surprised

1870
01:29:05,679 --> 01:29:08,800
by the scale but my question is did we

1871
01:29:08,800 --> 01:29:11,400
include this in our CAPIC forecast last

1872
01:29:11,400 --> 01:29:14,480
year for 2025 or is this something that

1873
01:29:14,480 --> 01:29:17,199
has come out of the the woodwork during

1874
01:29:17,199 --> 01:29:19,800
the course of this year uh through the

1875
01:29:19,800 --> 01:29:22,360
chair I'd like to start out by answering

1876
01:29:22,360 --> 01:29:24,840
that by thanking the finance

1877
01:29:24,840 --> 01:29:27,080
uh we've been working on this for 10

1878
01:29:27,080 --> 01:29:29,080
years and we actually have a 10-year

1879
01:29:29,080 --> 01:29:31,840
plan so these were already forecasted

1880
01:29:31,840 --> 01:29:34,199
some of these vehicles um were actually

1881
01:29:34,199 --> 01:29:36,719
forecasted last year to be replaced but

1882
01:29:36,719 --> 01:29:38,920
we pushed off replacement at that time

1883
01:29:38,920 --> 01:29:41,320
due to the budgetary concerns so now

1884
01:29:41,320 --> 01:29:43,520
we're playing a little bit of catchup

1885
01:29:43,520 --> 01:29:45,840
but uh something uh when I joined the

1886
01:29:45,840 --> 01:29:48,600
county many years ago I was working with

1887
01:29:48,600 --> 01:29:50,639
all the Heathers and the vanessas over

1888
01:29:50,639 --> 01:29:53,360
in finance and we started talking about

1889
01:29:53,360 --> 01:29:55,800
a 10 10 10 year plan and we and we built

1890
01:29:55,800 --> 01:29:58,280
a 10year plan so the reason why I'm

1891
01:29:58,280 --> 01:30:01,679
bringing the report forward today is um

1892
01:30:01,679 --> 01:30:02,880
this would normally go through the

1893
01:30:02,880 --> 01:30:04,639
budgetary process and because that's

1894
01:30:04,639 --> 01:30:06,119
going to be later in the season I don't

1895
01:30:06,119 --> 01:30:08,760
want to lose the opportunity to place

1896
01:30:08,760 --> 01:30:11,040
the uh vehicle orders because when you

1897
01:30:11,040 --> 01:30:13,239
want a vehicle in 2025 you have to place

1898
01:30:13,239 --> 01:30:16,880
the order in 2024 so um we're finally

1899
01:30:16,880 --> 01:30:18,199
caught up with our

1900
01:30:18,199 --> 01:30:21,480
vehicles um we have uh we've been

1901
01:30:21,480 --> 01:30:22,800
stretching these vehicles and

1902
01:30:22,800 --> 01:30:26,360
repurposing as as much as we can um but

1903
01:30:26,360 --> 01:30:30,560
just for um committees so you're aware

1904
01:30:30,560 --> 01:30:32,320
some of these vehicles date back all the

1905
01:30:32,320 --> 01:30:33,639
way to

1906
01:30:33,639 --> 01:30:36,719
2006 uh some of these vehicles have in

1907
01:30:36,719 --> 01:30:39,679
excess of 400,000 kilometers on them and

1908
01:30:39,679 --> 01:30:41,080
some of these vehicles are very

1909
01:30:41,080 --> 01:30:43,600
essential to our service where we can't

1910
01:30:43,600 --> 01:30:45,000
have them break down and they're

1911
01:30:45,000 --> 01:30:47,960
starting to show um signs of wear so

1912
01:30:47,960 --> 01:30:51,719
we've done our best to um stretch them

1913
01:30:51,719 --> 01:30:53,440
there's a couple more that we've pushed

1914
01:30:53,440 --> 01:30:56,440
off I know this is a big ask but these

1915
01:30:56,440 --> 01:30:59,560
are essential and we've um talked a lot

1916
01:30:59,560 --> 01:31:02,119
with all the Departments so that uh we

1917
01:31:02,119 --> 01:31:05,199
could we verified that these are needs

1918
01:31:05,199 --> 01:31:07,840
so if I Mr just to be clear and maybe

1919
01:31:07,840 --> 01:31:10,920
it's a question Heather can answer uh

1920
01:31:10,920 --> 01:31:13,800
what did we include in the forecast last

1921
01:31:13,800 --> 01:31:14,719
year for

1922
01:31:14,719 --> 01:31:18,880
2025 for this this line item and how how

1923
01:31:18,880 --> 01:31:24,430
much different is it

1924
01:31:24,440 --> 01:31:40,990
we're going to get

1925
01:31:41,000 --> 01:31:43,600
that uh through the chair to councelor

1926
01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:47,520
Bell um it is uh a little bit different

1927
01:31:47,520 --> 01:31:51,440
than last year's uh forecast uh because

1928
01:31:51,440 --> 01:31:54,480
we had moved some um

1929
01:31:54,480 --> 01:31:57,960
items from 2024 to

1930
01:31:57,960 --> 01:32:02,800
2025 um now also the on this report it

1931
01:32:02,800 --> 01:32:06,159
includes uh an ice resurfacer which was

1932
01:32:06,159 --> 01:32:08,679
not on the fleet list last year if

1933
01:32:08,679 --> 01:32:10,159
you're just looking at the fleet list

1934
01:32:10,159 --> 01:32:11,960
but it was in the community services

1935
01:32:11,960 --> 01:32:13,280
list last

1936
01:32:13,280 --> 01:32:17,560
year um and again every year we do look

1937
01:32:17,560 --> 01:32:19,800
at the 10e forecast and we make further

1938
01:32:19,800 --> 01:32:23,080
adjustments to known pricing increases

1939
01:32:23,080 --> 01:32:25,480
um so any know pricing increases would

1940
01:32:25,480 --> 01:32:28,360
have changed um based on what last

1941
01:32:28,360 --> 01:32:32,560
year's forecast had been uh for these

1942
01:32:32,560 --> 01:32:33,560
pieces of

1943
01:32:33,560 --> 01:32:38,400
equipment um so the exact dollar amount

1944
01:32:38,400 --> 01:32:42,840
may not have been in last year's plan

1945
01:32:42,840 --> 01:32:46,760
just due to those changes in the pricing

1946
01:32:46,760 --> 01:32:49,639
increases um now also a few of the a few

1947
01:32:49,639 --> 01:32:53,560
of the pieces of equipment on the list

1948
01:32:53,560 --> 01:32:54,760
um

1949
01:32:54,760 --> 01:32:56,920
one specifically does have some funding

1950
01:32:56,920 --> 01:32:59,840
from development charges uh based on the

1951
01:32:59,840 --> 01:33:03,480
requirement of it being growth related

1952
01:33:03,480 --> 01:33:08,159
um so uh they're not all coming from the

1953
01:33:08,159 --> 01:33:11,800
same funding source hopefully hopefully

1954
01:33:11,800 --> 01:33:13,400
that answered your question so I'm just

1955
01:33:13,400 --> 01:33:15,119
looking for a you know it's a million

1956
01:33:15,119 --> 01:33:17,639
dollars more or it's $500,000 more

1957
01:33:17,639 --> 01:33:19,119
because I guess we when we start our

1958
01:33:19,119 --> 01:33:20,560
budget process we'll start from what we

1959
01:33:20,560 --> 01:33:24,000
spent in 2024 and we had an estimate for

1960
01:33:24,000 --> 01:33:26,600
2025 which will now be different and

1961
01:33:26,600 --> 01:33:28,760
will reflect you an increase in the

1962
01:33:28,760 --> 01:33:31,760
starting point for

1963
01:33:31,760 --> 01:33:34,239
2025 Sor I'm just going to see if I can

1964
01:33:34,239 --> 01:33:35,719
very quickly open what the capital

1965
01:33:35,719 --> 01:33:39,070
forecast was for last

1966
01:33:39,080 --> 01:33:42,600
year uh for Fleet

1967
01:33:42,600 --> 01:33:44,679
specifically now again because the icer

1968
01:33:44,679 --> 01:33:47,119
surfacer wasn't in the fleet section my

1969
01:33:47,119 --> 01:33:54,390
total might be a little bit different

1970
01:33:54,400 --> 01:33:58,159
so the grand total that we had in the

1971
01:33:58,159 --> 01:33:59,199
fleet

1972
01:33:59,199 --> 01:34:04,920
forecast uh presented last year was 3,

1973
01:34:04,920 --> 01:34:06,760
302,000 so then if you add the ice

1974
01:34:06,760 --> 01:34:10,360
resurfacer into that it was pretty close

1975
01:34:10,360 --> 01:34:14,560
yep good Enzo thank you yeah councilor

1976
01:34:14,560 --> 01:34:18,239
Miller yeah thank you Mr chair um got a

1977
01:34:18,239 --> 01:34:20,239
lot of supplemental information from the

1978
01:34:20,239 --> 01:34:21,840
questions councelor Coleman asked

1979
01:34:21,840 --> 01:34:25,080
yesterday but just um I understand why

1980
01:34:25,080 --> 01:34:27,440
you're bringing this forward today for a

1981
01:34:27,440 --> 01:34:30,119
large friend end loader or a nice

1982
01:34:30,119 --> 01:34:32,600
resurfacer my question is um why the

1983
01:34:32,600 --> 01:34:35,480
pickup trucks why the SUV

1984
01:34:35,480 --> 01:34:37,600
hybrid

1985
01:34:37,600 --> 01:34:39,880
great through the chair because it's

1986
01:34:39,880 --> 01:34:42,119
time for replacement and as I said uh

1987
01:34:42,119 --> 01:34:43,560
some of those Vehicles like one of those

1988
01:34:43,560 --> 01:34:46,480
is a 2006 we can't use it anymore and if

1989
01:34:46,480 --> 01:34:49,760
we want the vehicles replaced in 2025 um

1990
01:34:49,760 --> 01:34:52,159
we need to place the orders um when

1991
01:34:52,159 --> 01:34:55,040
municipalities Buy uh Vehicles there's

1992
01:34:55,040 --> 01:34:57,159
an ordering window it's called and the

1993
01:34:57,159 --> 01:34:59,000
the vehicles are placed in that ordering

1994
01:34:59,000 --> 01:35:01,440
queue if we don't get into that queue

1995
01:35:01,440 --> 01:35:03,719
then we don't get our vehicles and

1996
01:35:03,719 --> 01:35:05,119
that's one of the things that a lot of

1997
01:35:05,119 --> 01:35:08,239
municipalities are struggling with okay

1998
01:35:08,239 --> 01:35:10,719
um it must be different than for an

1999
01:35:10,719 --> 01:35:12,080
individual because I could go in

2000
01:35:12,080 --> 01:35:15,360
tomorrow and buy a pickup truck right uh

2001
01:35:15,360 --> 01:35:17,440
through the chair that is correct but

2002
01:35:17,440 --> 01:35:21,800
you'll pay 20 30,000 $440,000 sometimes

2003
01:35:21,800 --> 01:35:23,719
more than what a municipality will pay

2004
01:35:23,719 --> 01:35:26,199
for a truck because when they do a run

2005
01:35:26,199 --> 01:35:29,000
of vehicles they'll run like Municipal

2006
01:35:29,000 --> 01:35:31,159
orders all at the same time okay yeah

2007
01:35:31,159 --> 01:35:33,239
and I did not know that until okay thank

2008
01:35:33,239 --> 01:35:35,560
you that's good good

2009
01:35:35,560 --> 01:35:38,119
information council chambers I'm trying

2010
01:35:38,119 --> 01:35:42,440
to think of a question just to uh mify C

2011
01:35:42,440 --> 01:35:44,159
so my question is if it if

2012
01:35:44,159 --> 01:35:46,800
municipalities get trucks 20 or $30,000

2013
01:35:46,800 --> 01:35:49,239
less than what I can is there any way

2014
01:35:49,239 --> 01:35:51,280
that I

2015
01:35:51,280 --> 01:35:54,600
can because I've got a 2 three Dodge Ram

2016
01:35:54,600 --> 01:35:55,920
that isn't worth anything and it's

2017
01:35:55,920 --> 01:35:58,520
falling apart through the chair when I

2018
01:35:58,520 --> 01:36:00,119
can figure that out for myself I will

2019
01:36:00,119 --> 01:36:02,560
share that for you and I hope that

2020
01:36:02,560 --> 01:36:04,239
satisfies the councelor Coleman for the

2021
01:36:04,239 --> 01:36:07,440
for the question mayor Bailey uh I want

2022
01:36:07,440 --> 01:36:09,280
to ask a question too because I feel

2023
01:36:09,280 --> 01:36:10,760
like I should have paying more attention

2024
01:36:10,760 --> 01:36:12,760
but since it's not really my business to

2025
01:36:12,760 --> 01:36:14,639
know whether they're Fords or chevs I

2026
01:36:14,639 --> 01:36:16,719
was just wondering whether the ice

2027
01:36:16,719 --> 01:36:20,719
resurfacer was is zambron or something

2028
01:36:20,719 --> 01:36:24,520
else uh through the chair um no I uh

2029
01:36:24,520 --> 01:36:26,880
it's not because through the purchasing

2030
01:36:26,880 --> 01:36:30,159
policy we have to um go out for an ice

2031
01:36:30,159 --> 01:36:32,840
resurfacer and as Amon is actually a

2032
01:36:32,840 --> 01:36:35,639
trademark or name of a particular

2033
01:36:35,639 --> 01:36:39,119
unit a local a local name that supports

2034
01:36:39,119 --> 01:36:40,960
the community in big

2035
01:36:40,960 --> 01:36:44,360
ways okay that's fine thank

2036
01:36:44,360 --> 01:36:47,639
you any other

2037
01:36:47,639 --> 01:36:51,560
questions okay um just I have one

2038
01:36:51,560 --> 01:36:52,760
question here so these are all

2039
01:36:52,760 --> 01:36:54,440
replacements

2040
01:36:54,440 --> 01:36:55,960
what do we do with the other ones do we

2041
01:36:55,960 --> 01:36:57,119
sell

2042
01:36:57,119 --> 01:37:03,790
them might be looking for a front-end

2043
01:37:03,800 --> 01:37:06,560
loader so um through the chair so

2044
01:37:06,560 --> 01:37:08,600
depending on what what we're replacing

2045
01:37:08,600 --> 01:37:10,800
here when the tenders goes out um like

2046
01:37:10,800 --> 01:37:12,719
the front end loader what we would do is

2047
01:37:12,719 --> 01:37:15,360
put that out and then ask for a tradein

2048
01:37:15,360 --> 01:37:18,119
give us some tradein values on the

2049
01:37:18,119 --> 01:37:20,760
pickup trucks we send those to auction

2050
01:37:20,760 --> 01:37:23,679
so that um the community if they they

2051
01:37:23,679 --> 01:37:26,280
wish to purchase something um they have

2052
01:37:26,280 --> 01:37:28,400
the same opportunity as anyone else okay

2053
01:37:28,400 --> 01:37:29,400
no it's interesting because that's the

2054
01:37:29,400 --> 01:37:30,679
ones I was talking with the front end

2055
01:37:30,679 --> 01:37:31,840
loaders and stuff like that the bigger

2056
01:37:31,840 --> 01:37:33,199
item so it's good to know that it's a

2057
01:37:33,199 --> 01:37:35,760
trade in okay and there's a truck there

2058
01:37:35,760 --> 01:37:37,719
for councelor Chambers

2059
01:37:37,719 --> 01:37:40,360
perfect any other

2060
01:37:40,360 --> 01:37:43,480
questions seeing none are you satisfied

2061
01:37:43,480 --> 01:37:47,119
councelor Coleman excellent all those in

2062
01:37:47,119 --> 01:37:51,239
favor opposed that is carried okay

2063
01:37:51,239 --> 01:37:52,920
councelor garno is going to rejoin us

2064
01:37:52,920 --> 01:37:55,589
here

2065
01:37:55,599 --> 01:37:58,679
and we will move on to 8.2 which is rpt

2066
01:37:58,679 --> 01:38:02,360
0482 d24 Staffing for automated speed

2067
01:38:02,360 --> 01:38:05,800
enforcements can I get a mover councelor

2068
01:38:05,800 --> 01:38:07,960
Oakley councelor

2069
01:38:07,960 --> 01:38:12,109
Kyle

2070
01:38:12,119 --> 01:38:16,589
questions councilor

2071
01:38:16,599 --> 01:38:19,320
Chambers um if if I understand this

2072
01:38:19,320 --> 01:38:20,960
correctly I've read the report I'm

2073
01:38:20,960 --> 01:38:22,360
trying to remember back when we first

2074
01:38:22,360 --> 01:38:24,440
talked about this was this factored in

2075
01:38:24,440 --> 01:38:27,159
that we need two additional employees

2076
01:38:27,159 --> 01:38:30,199
for One camera and if we have another

2077
01:38:30,199 --> 01:38:33,599
camera that's two more

2078
01:38:33,599 --> 01:38:37,119
and I'm just I'm I'm kind of blown away

2079
01:38:37,119 --> 01:38:41,480
by this to tell you the truth U and is

2080
01:38:41,480 --> 01:38:45,560
there cost recovery to recover this uh

2081
01:38:45,560 --> 01:38:48,320
and my other question would be uh why

2082
01:38:48,320 --> 01:38:51,880
can't this wait to be a

2083
01:38:51,880 --> 01:38:57,280
a a budget issue or is it uh does it

2084
01:38:57,280 --> 01:39:00,760
render the speed camera inoperable if we

2085
01:39:00,760 --> 01:39:03,679
don't have the people to do

2086
01:39:03,679 --> 01:39:06,560
this up through the chair to councelor

2087
01:39:06,560 --> 01:39:09,000
chers so there there is a a basic

2088
01:39:09,000 --> 01:39:10,719
formula that we are using based on the

2089
01:39:10,719 --> 01:39:13,199
experience from other municipalities um

2090
01:39:13,199 --> 01:39:14,679
if you recall in the previous report

2091
01:39:14,679 --> 01:39:16,400
from September we had high compliance

2092
01:39:16,400 --> 01:39:18,880
and low compliance rates um what we're

2093
01:39:18,880 --> 01:39:20,880
doing with this exercise here is we

2094
01:39:20,880 --> 01:39:22,800
believe that it's going to be um we're

2095
01:39:22,800 --> 01:39:24,599
still going to have a Surplus with the

2096
01:39:24,599 --> 01:39:26,040
first

2097
01:39:26,040 --> 01:39:28,840
camera um and then we're going to hire

2098
01:39:28,840 --> 01:39:31,719
accordingly um as we we require

2099
01:39:31,719 --> 01:39:33,719
additional staff uh so we're going to

2100
01:39:33,719 --> 01:39:35,360
monitor the numbers we do have some

2101
01:39:35,360 --> 01:39:37,920
numbers for the second and third camera

2102
01:39:37,920 --> 01:39:39,960
I can tell you one of the locations the

2103
01:39:39,960 --> 01:39:43,239
the data is very very high um so likely

2104
01:39:43,239 --> 01:39:45,520
when we we come into the second camera

2105
01:39:45,520 --> 01:39:46,440
we're probably going to ask for

2106
01:39:46,440 --> 01:39:49,199
additional staff these two staff here to

2107
01:39:49,199 --> 01:39:51,280
launch the program I think initially

2108
01:39:51,280 --> 01:39:53,880
we're going to uh recruit for a

2109
01:39:53,880 --> 01:39:56,560
screening officer uh my understanding is

2110
01:39:56,560 --> 01:39:58,719
that the onset of this program when you

2111
01:39:58,719 --> 01:40:00,480
when you launch it you may get a lot of

2112
01:40:00,480 --> 01:40:02,920
screenings um we're doing some work uh

2113
01:40:02,920 --> 01:40:04,719
some policy work in the background where

2114
01:40:04,719 --> 01:40:06,159
we're trying to alleviate some of these

2115
01:40:06,159 --> 01:40:08,880
screenings but anecdotally uh the

2116
01:40:08,880 --> 01:40:10,599
experience in another municipality that

2117
01:40:10,599 --> 01:40:13,119
is doing um automated speed

2118
01:40:13,119 --> 01:40:14,679
enforcement um through the

2119
01:40:14,679 --> 01:40:16,840
administrative penalty system is they

2120
01:40:16,840 --> 01:40:20,000
received about 400 screening requests uh

2121
01:40:20,000 --> 01:40:21,320
in the first

2122
01:40:21,320 --> 01:40:23,320
quarter so we're trying to position

2123
01:40:23,320 --> 01:40:24,480
position ourselves where we're not going

2124
01:40:24,480 --> 01:40:27,320
to get that many screenings um but the

2125
01:40:27,320 --> 01:40:29,040
possibility is there so we want to have

2126
01:40:29,040 --> 01:40:30,440
somebody in place to run those

2127
01:40:30,440 --> 01:40:32,719
screenings we do have staff right now

2128
01:40:32,719 --> 01:40:35,679
that are trained we have two uh officers

2129
01:40:35,679 --> 01:40:37,719
uh Municipal Law Enforcement Officers

2130
01:40:37,719 --> 01:40:39,639
but they're uh they've received a

2131
01:40:39,639 --> 01:40:41,639
designation uh through the ministry they

2132
01:40:41,639 --> 01:40:43,679
they've taken some training so they are

2133
01:40:43,679 --> 01:40:45,199
provincial offenses officers so we're

2134
01:40:45,199 --> 01:40:47,400
trying to delay hiring uh another

2135
01:40:47,400 --> 01:40:49,880
provincial offenses officer until we

2136
01:40:49,880 --> 01:40:51,679
start rolling out more cameras and the

2137
01:40:51,679 --> 01:40:53,840
demand is there so we want to be

2138
01:40:53,840 --> 01:40:55,920
prepared for you know the influx of of

2139
01:40:55,920 --> 01:40:57,760
penalty notices or penalty orders that

2140
01:40:57,760 --> 01:41:00,040
we get um so we're just taking a

2141
01:41:00,040 --> 01:41:01,639
cautious approach and and you know

2142
01:41:01,639 --> 01:41:02,960
putting it on the radar that we're going

2143
01:41:02,960 --> 01:41:04,920
to need to hire some staff we do have

2144
01:41:04,920 --> 01:41:06,520
two staff that we're requesting right

2145
01:41:06,520 --> 01:41:08,520
now just to launch the

2146
01:41:08,520 --> 01:41:11,199
program council

2147
01:41:11,199 --> 01:41:13,800
chambers yeah I understand that I I just

2148
01:41:13,800 --> 01:41:15,360
what's going through my mind is is it

2149
01:41:15,360 --> 01:41:20,480
more practical and and um uh to rather

2150
01:41:20,480 --> 01:41:23,800
than hire staff to look at paperwork

2151
01:41:23,800 --> 01:41:26,280
than hire additional police officers

2152
01:41:26,280 --> 01:41:29,080
that would enforce speeding all over the

2153
01:41:29,080 --> 01:41:32,280
county rather than 100 yards in front of

2154
01:41:32,280 --> 01:41:35,400
a particular location uh as like that's

2155
01:41:35,400 --> 01:41:41,280
a lot of money to uh invest in speed uh

2156
01:41:41,280 --> 01:41:44,400
control in one particular spot in the

2157
01:41:44,400 --> 01:41:48,159
county and I'm just I I'm waiting for

2158
01:41:48,159 --> 01:41:50,840
the review of this after a year to see

2159
01:41:50,840 --> 01:41:54,719
whether it is indeed uh uh worth uh the

2160
01:41:54,719 --> 01:41:56,840
investment that we're putting into it to

2161
01:41:56,840 --> 01:42:01,920
control speeding in 100 yards uh of the

2162
01:42:01,920 --> 01:42:05,400
county when perhaps the funds could be

2163
01:42:05,400 --> 01:42:09,880
spent and uh hiring additional uh police

2164
01:42:09,880 --> 01:42:11,719
officers that would Patrol the entire

2165
01:42:11,719 --> 01:42:14,440
County and maybe do as as much good for

2166
01:42:14,440 --> 01:42:18,360
the cause of reducing speeding in the

2167
01:42:18,360 --> 01:42:20,560
county any other

2168
01:42:20,560 --> 01:42:22,599
questions councelor Kyle and councelor

2169
01:42:22,599 --> 01:42:24,719
meline thanks Mr chair through you to

2170
01:42:24,719 --> 01:42:26,920
Greg Greg um and I probably should know

2171
01:42:26,920 --> 01:42:28,520
the answer to this question but what

2172
01:42:28,520 --> 01:42:31,480
exactly is the screening officer

2173
01:42:31,480 --> 01:42:34,159
screening uh through the chair so uh

2174
01:42:34,159 --> 01:42:35,560
essentially when somebody receives a

2175
01:42:35,560 --> 01:42:37,320
penalty order there's a two-stage

2176
01:42:37,320 --> 01:42:39,560
process where somebody can appeal uh

2177
01:42:39,560 --> 01:42:40,840
it's legislated under the highway

2178
01:42:40,840 --> 01:42:42,599
traffic Act and the regulations for

2179
01:42:42,599 --> 01:42:44,440
automated speed enforcement so the first

2180
01:42:44,440 --> 01:42:45,920
step would be a screening officer where

2181
01:42:45,920 --> 01:42:48,960
they would um request a screening from

2182
01:42:48,960 --> 01:42:51,080
um the officer um that would be a

2183
01:42:51,080 --> 01:42:54,159
Municipal Employee um that person would

2184
01:42:54,159 --> 01:42:56,320
basically review the penalty order under

2185
01:42:56,320 --> 01:42:58,960
specific parameters um as we're

2186
01:42:58,960 --> 01:43:00,639
developing the policy those parameters

2187
01:43:00,639 --> 01:43:03,960
are going to be public facing um and

2188
01:43:03,960 --> 01:43:05,159
then they're going to they can make a

2189
01:43:05,159 --> 01:43:06,520
decision at that point whether to

2190
01:43:06,520 --> 01:43:08,639
confirm the penalty notice they can vary

2191
01:43:08,639 --> 01:43:10,960
it um they can extend a payment plan or

2192
01:43:10,960 --> 01:43:14,719
they can quash it um so we are trying to

2193
01:43:14,719 --> 01:43:16,599
do some policy work on the front end

2194
01:43:16,599 --> 01:43:18,480
just so that the public is aware so we

2195
01:43:18,480 --> 01:43:20,080
don't get an influx of screenings for

2196
01:43:20,080 --> 01:43:22,400
for people that are used to the court

2197
01:43:22,400 --> 01:43:23,840
system where you know if they appear

2198
01:43:23,840 --> 01:43:25,000
before court they can ask for a

2199
01:43:25,000 --> 01:43:27,080
reduction automatically and often times

2200
01:43:27,080 --> 01:43:29,560
it's granted um I don't think that

2201
01:43:29,560 --> 01:43:31,080
that's that's our position we don't want

2202
01:43:31,080 --> 01:43:35,669
to get inated with screening

2203
01:43:35,679 --> 01:43:39,950
requests counc

2204
01:43:39,960 --> 01:43:42,360
meline so I think he kind of alluded to

2205
01:43:42,360 --> 01:43:45,360
this but I'm not 100% sure clear on um

2206
01:43:45,360 --> 01:43:47,199
we're supposed to have the cameras in

2207
01:43:47,199 --> 01:43:49,800
place for a trial period before we

2208
01:43:49,800 --> 01:43:54,400
actually start um sending the tickets so

2209
01:43:54,400 --> 01:43:56,960
we're in that trial phase now is the

2210
01:43:56,960 --> 01:43:59,599
camera in place uh through the chair

2211
01:43:59,599 --> 01:44:02,280
yeah so the camera is in place it was uh

2212
01:44:02,280 --> 01:44:05,000
uh put in place onor about October 1st

2213
01:44:05,000 --> 01:44:07,599
um so it is gathering data um we are we

2214
01:44:07,599 --> 01:44:09,679
are seeing some you know based on the

2215
01:44:09,679 --> 01:44:11,400
threshold that's been set we are seeing

2216
01:44:11,400 --> 01:44:14,119
some pretty significant numbers um I

2217
01:44:14,119 --> 01:44:15,840
think for the first month we're at about

2218
01:44:15,840 --> 01:44:18,639
40 4700 uh penalty

2219
01:44:18,639 --> 01:44:20,800
notices um and for this month we're at

2220
01:44:20,800 --> 01:44:21,880
about

2221
01:44:21,880 --> 01:44:24,719
2200 um now that's based on you know the

2222
01:44:24,719 --> 01:44:27,880
data that we we've set the Threshold at

2223
01:44:27,880 --> 01:44:30,080
um when we go live we do expect that you

2224
01:44:30,080 --> 01:44:31,880
know that may decrease because we

2225
01:44:31,880 --> 01:44:34,440
certainly want to do a public campaign

2226
01:44:34,440 --> 01:44:36,960
to notify um the public that you know

2227
01:44:36,960 --> 01:44:39,719
these cameras are in use um so people

2228
01:44:39,719 --> 01:44:41,520
have to you know judge their their speed

2229
01:44:41,520 --> 01:44:44,000
and lower their speed accordingly okay

2230
01:44:44,000 --> 01:44:45,520
so at this point we're not sending out

2231
01:44:45,520 --> 01:44:48,040
notices to people that those 4,400

2232
01:44:48,040 --> 01:44:50,000
people that they've been speeding or

2233
01:44:50,000 --> 01:44:51,719
anything at this point uh through the

2234
01:44:51,719 --> 01:44:53,679
chair no no we're not uh I think that

2235
01:44:53,679 --> 01:44:55,280
was contemplated initially but just the

2236
01:44:55,280 --> 01:44:57,000
cost would have been exorbitant to do

2237
01:44:57,000 --> 01:44:58,400
that because we have to run a search

2238
01:44:58,400 --> 01:45:00,080
every time that we send a letter to

2239
01:45:00,080 --> 01:45:03,040
somebody and that cost us $825 through

2240
01:45:03,040 --> 01:45:05,950
the Ministry of

2241
01:45:05,960 --> 01:45:08,119
Transportation so I just want to confirm

2242
01:45:08,119 --> 01:45:10,040
you did say

2243
01:45:10,040 --> 01:45:12,800
4700 uh through the chair yeah that's

2244
01:45:12,800 --> 01:45:15,520
correct circles back to your point there

2245
01:45:15,520 --> 01:45:20,470
council chambers

2246
01:45:20,480 --> 01:45:23,239
it too funny uh councelor how's had

2247
01:45:23,239 --> 01:45:26,760
something thanks well um Mr Cherry you

2248
01:45:26,760 --> 01:45:29,560
you kind of tackled my point a little

2249
01:45:29,560 --> 01:45:32,080
bit there uh and just for the benefit of

2250
01:45:32,080 --> 01:45:35,400
the people who are watching at home

2251
01:45:35,400 --> 01:45:39,040
um and this this is a location that is

2252
01:45:39,040 --> 01:45:40,679
within this is touching on a bunch of

2253
01:45:40,679 --> 01:45:42,880
topics from tonight this is a location

2254
01:45:42,880 --> 01:45:43,719
that's

2255
01:45:43,719 --> 01:45:47,719
within 400 feet of a stop

2256
01:45:47,719 --> 01:45:51,239
sign right more or less and it's

2257
01:45:51,239 --> 01:45:54,239
directly in front of the school

2258
01:45:54,239 --> 01:45:57,639
and and you're saying that

2259
01:45:57,639 --> 01:46:02,040
in six weeks we've had uh with a

2260
01:46:02,040 --> 01:46:04,400
threshold of you know we're not we're

2261
01:46:04,400 --> 01:46:07,280
not nailing somebody one kilometer over

2262
01:46:07,280 --> 01:46:11,480
the the speed limit you're said

2263
01:46:11,480 --> 01:46:13,159
4700

2264
01:46:13,159 --> 01:46:15,840
violations is that accurate uh through

2265
01:46:15,840 --> 01:46:17,719
the chair that's that's what the data is

2266
01:46:17,719 --> 01:46:19,480
is saying right

2267
01:46:19,480 --> 01:46:22,199
now we will'll expect a reduction in

2268
01:46:22,199 --> 01:46:23,800
that and we certainly hope there's a

2269
01:46:23,800 --> 01:46:27,520
reduction in that but yes and and just

2270
01:46:27,520 --> 01:46:30,040
to put it out there the the goal is

2271
01:46:30,040 --> 01:46:32,080
there is for there to be

2272
01:46:32,080 --> 01:46:35,360
none right the the goal is that for

2273
01:46:35,360 --> 01:46:38,480
there to be no violations because we the

2274
01:46:38,480 --> 01:46:40,520
the whole intention is to condition

2275
01:46:40,520 --> 01:46:43,639
people to to drive slower uh in these

2276
01:46:43,639 --> 01:46:47,599
zones so yeah this plus um you know I

2277
01:46:47,599 --> 01:46:49,880
recall two or three years ago to

2278
01:46:49,880 --> 01:46:52,880
counselor Chambers point we did invest

2279
01:46:52,880 --> 01:46:56,400
ex ra money through the op for specific

2280
01:46:56,400 --> 01:46:58,440
officers dedicated to highway traffic

2281
01:46:58,440 --> 01:47:00,599
act issues like speeding offenses so I

2282
01:47:00,599 --> 01:47:02,119
think this is a good

2283
01:47:02,119 --> 01:47:04,840
combination um of efforts to to try and

2284
01:47:04,840 --> 01:47:06,599
make our community a safer

2285
01:47:06,599 --> 01:47:09,599
Place councelor Kyle thanks Mr chair

2286
01:47:09,599 --> 01:47:11,080
through you to Greg Greg just to pick up

2287
01:47:11,080 --> 01:47:12,800
on something you mentioned a minute or

2288
01:47:12,800 --> 01:47:15,119
two ago you said it costs

2289
01:47:15,119 --> 01:47:19,040
$8.50 per um search that you have to do

2290
01:47:19,040 --> 01:47:22,239
so when you run those I'm going to make

2291
01:47:22,239 --> 01:47:25,000
the assumption that there's the same

2292
01:47:25,000 --> 01:47:27,280
person in some cases that's gotten

2293
01:47:27,280 --> 01:47:31,000
multiple times through that zone so are

2294
01:47:31,000 --> 01:47:34,040
you searching that same license plate

2295
01:47:34,040 --> 01:47:35,679
individually every time or do you

2296
01:47:35,679 --> 01:47:38,000
consolidate and go this license plate

2297
01:47:38,000 --> 01:47:39,800
has eight offenses we need to do one

2298
01:47:39,800 --> 01:47:42,880
search and then you times that fine by

2299
01:47:42,880 --> 01:47:46,080
eight or whatever um how does that work

2300
01:47:46,080 --> 01:47:49,360
like are we paying every time or is

2301
01:47:49,360 --> 01:47:51,080
there a consolidation that you can do if

2302
01:47:51,080 --> 01:47:52,440
there is somebody that's coming up

2303
01:47:52,440 --> 01:47:56,920
multip times uh through the chair um so

2304
01:47:56,920 --> 01:47:58,520
we are working on the software and I do

2305
01:47:58,520 --> 01:47:59,679
believe that they're going to have some

2306
01:47:59,679 --> 01:48:02,000
mechanisms in the software to identify

2307
01:48:02,000 --> 01:48:04,679
you know the same plate um you know for

2308
01:48:04,679 --> 01:48:06,199
various reasons there may be patterns

2309
01:48:06,199 --> 01:48:08,960
for this vehicle as well um I should I

2310
01:48:08,960 --> 01:48:12,119
should qualify that the 825 um when we

2311
01:48:12,119 --> 01:48:15,080
do go live we can download that cost uh

2312
01:48:15,080 --> 01:48:17,280
to the owner um so that'll be part of

2313
01:48:17,280 --> 01:48:20,080
the cost recovery again we anticipate

2314
01:48:20,080 --> 01:48:21,480
that this program will be

2315
01:48:21,480 --> 01:48:23,960
self-sufficient and self rep ing um

2316
01:48:23,960 --> 01:48:25,480
based on the data that's been gleaned

2317
01:48:25,480 --> 01:48:26,760
there's been a lot of work that's been

2318
01:48:26,760 --> 01:48:29,199
done in the background for projections

2319
01:48:29,199 --> 01:48:31,040
um so we we expect that it's going to be

2320
01:48:31,040 --> 01:48:32,920
Revenue neutral or you know we may

2321
01:48:32,920 --> 01:48:35,790
operate at

2322
01:48:35,800 --> 01:48:38,440
Surplus anybody

2323
01:48:38,440 --> 01:48:42,520
else okay just uh real quick one here

2324
01:48:42,520 --> 01:48:43,800
that I have

2325
01:48:43,800 --> 01:48:46,040
um the recommendation is that the

2326
01:48:46,040 --> 01:48:47,239
committee approve the recruitment or

2327
01:48:47,239 --> 01:48:49,440
hiring of one full-time screening

2328
01:48:49,440 --> 01:48:52,239
officer and one provincial officer aditt

2329
01:48:52,239 --> 01:48:54,520
to administ

2330
01:48:54,520 --> 01:48:55,920
I and I just want to confirm back to

2331
01:48:55,920 --> 01:48:57,719
what council Cham Chambers was saying

2332
01:48:57,719 --> 01:48:59,800
there so we feel that with the staff

2333
01:48:59,800 --> 01:49:01,520
that we have trained right now and

2334
01:49:01,520 --> 01:49:04,159
adding this one additional provincial

2335
01:49:04,159 --> 01:49:06,239
offen officer that should get us to the

2336
01:49:06,239 --> 01:49:07,880
point where we' be able to handle this

2337
01:49:07,880 --> 01:49:11,080
camera and then we'll base it on once we

2338
01:49:11,080 --> 01:49:12,560
add another camera if another one is

2339
01:49:12,560 --> 01:49:14,480
needed or is it just we're going to add

2340
01:49:14,480 --> 01:49:16,800
them with the cameras uh through the

2341
01:49:16,800 --> 01:49:17,920
chair so we're going to we're going to

2342
01:49:17,920 --> 01:49:20,440
monitor the data very very closely um

2343
01:49:20,440 --> 01:49:22,199
and then make some decisions on hiring

2344
01:49:22,199 --> 01:49:23,920
as as indicated in the report there is a

2345
01:49:23,920 --> 01:49:25,159
bit of a delay when you hire a

2346
01:49:25,159 --> 01:49:26,480
provincial offenses officer there's a

2347
01:49:26,480 --> 01:49:28,239
bit of a protest that they have to go

2348
01:49:28,239 --> 01:49:31,000
through uh we do have some staff right

2349
01:49:31,000 --> 01:49:32,679
now that have been trained uh they're

2350
01:49:32,679 --> 01:49:35,560
designated there's two officers uh

2351
01:49:35,560 --> 01:49:37,199
keeping in mind they do have other

2352
01:49:37,199 --> 01:49:39,520
duties um but you know I would I would

2353
01:49:39,520 --> 01:49:41,400
venture to Guess that probably in in

2354
01:49:41,400 --> 01:49:42,760
June we're probably going to be looking

2355
01:49:42,760 --> 01:49:44,880
at another provincial offenses officer

2356
01:49:44,880 --> 01:49:46,560
um just to kind of handle that second

2357
01:49:46,560 --> 01:49:49,119
camera because of the volumes U so we

2358
01:49:49,119 --> 01:49:51,000
want to make sure that we have the right

2359
01:49:51,000 --> 01:49:53,040
people in place at the right times so

2360
01:49:53,040 --> 01:49:55,080
that the the program can continue

2361
01:49:55,080 --> 01:49:57,320
successfully operating without any

2362
01:49:57,320 --> 01:49:59,599
delays okay and I appreciate the way you

2363
01:49:59,599 --> 01:50:01,159
said that Greg because I was worried

2364
01:50:01,159 --> 01:50:03,080
about if we pull them off the regular

2365
01:50:03,080 --> 01:50:06,239
duties that's going to kind of you know

2366
01:50:06,239 --> 01:50:07,440
if we've got the folks that are trained

2367
01:50:07,440 --> 01:50:09,440
that's great but to your point they've

2368
01:50:09,440 --> 01:50:10,800
got other things they need to do too so

2369
01:50:10,800 --> 01:50:13,639
I'm glad you glad you said that okay

2370
01:50:13,639 --> 01:50:15,159
perfect no other

2371
01:50:15,159 --> 01:50:18,159
questions all those in

2372
01:50:18,159 --> 01:50:19,719
favor

2373
01:50:19,719 --> 01:50:23,119
opposed that is carried

2374
01:50:23,119 --> 01:50:28,080
okay 8.3 which is rpt50 1-24 the

2375
01:50:28,080 --> 01:50:31,280
canesville Premier employment Hub

2376
01:50:31,280 --> 01:50:34,719
comprehensive land use strategy

2377
01:50:34,719 --> 01:50:38,639
mover councilor Garo councelor Kyle

2378
01:50:38,639 --> 01:50:40,520
questions Council

2379
01:50:40,520 --> 01:50:42,280
Miller

2380
01:50:42,280 --> 01:50:45,679
um I I like I like the study I think

2381
01:50:45,679 --> 01:50:46,880
it's a great

2382
01:50:46,880 --> 01:50:50,560
idea um my question is and I'll read a

2383
01:50:50,560 --> 01:50:54,159
line from the report it says um once

2384
01:50:54,159 --> 01:50:57,679
full Services become

2385
01:50:57,679 --> 01:51:00,599
available so we're expecting them to

2386
01:51:00,599 --> 01:51:02,599
become available I know we're working on

2387
01:51:02,599 --> 01:51:06,239
it um is this study premature or do we

2388
01:51:06,239 --> 01:51:09,040
know when services will become

2389
01:51:09,040 --> 01:51:11,639
available uh through the chair so there

2390
01:51:11,639 --> 01:51:14,560
was a master servicing plan done uh I

2391
01:51:14,560 --> 01:51:16,440
believe it went to Council in June so

2392
01:51:16,440 --> 01:51:19,760
that laid out the preliminary plan uh my

2393
01:51:19,760 --> 01:51:21,520
understanding is that operations will go

2394
01:51:21,520 --> 01:51:25,000
to consultant uh to do the actual design

2395
01:51:25,000 --> 01:51:28,520
work in early 2025 so then that'll kind

2396
01:51:28,520 --> 01:51:30,679
of depending on the design and the

2397
01:51:30,679 --> 01:51:32,840
Consulting work depend when it will come

2398
01:51:32,840 --> 01:51:34,840
online whether or not it will be faced

2399
01:51:34,840 --> 01:51:37,280
or all at

2400
01:51:37,280 --> 01:51:41,189
once Miller

2401
01:51:41,199 --> 01:51:43,320
I you don't think this study is too

2402
01:51:43,320 --> 01:51:45,480
early is what I'm saying what that you

2403
01:51:45,480 --> 01:51:47,199
don't think this is too

2404
01:51:47,199 --> 01:51:51,239
early um the benefit of oh Rob

2405
01:51:51,239 --> 01:51:53,920
Walton I think CE Alison wants to say

2406
01:51:53,920 --> 01:51:57,000
something here thank you you Mr chair um

2407
01:51:57,000 --> 01:51:59,840
so the idea is that the from what I

2408
01:51:59,840 --> 01:52:01,239
understand the design work for the for

2409
01:52:01,239 --> 01:52:02,320
the actual servicing would take

2410
01:52:02,320 --> 01:52:04,000
approximately a year and then the actual

2411
01:52:04,000 --> 01:52:06,560
construction approximately a year this

2412
01:52:06,560 --> 01:52:09,560
also would take approximately one year

2413
01:52:09,560 --> 01:52:12,000
um so I wanted them to go at the same

2414
01:52:12,000 --> 01:52:14,079
time not only is it a requirement

2415
01:52:14,079 --> 01:52:17,679
through the new uh planning act but um

2416
01:52:17,679 --> 01:52:19,920
we wanted to make sure that when when we

2417
01:52:19,920 --> 01:52:21,880
get to that point where servicing is

2418
01:52:21,880 --> 01:52:23,119
going to be available that there was a

2419
01:52:23,119 --> 01:52:24,840
lead time to be able to actually get

2420
01:52:24,840 --> 01:52:27,639
tenants in place and uh things could hit

2421
01:52:27,639 --> 01:52:29,480
the ground running so the idea was to

2422
01:52:29,480 --> 01:52:32,000
have them go in tandem um so it would be

2423
01:52:32,000 --> 01:52:33,679
fully ready and fully serviced and

2424
01:52:33,679 --> 01:52:35,520
Shuffle ready um by the time the

2425
01:52:35,520 --> 01:52:39,950
services are in the

2426
01:52:39,960 --> 01:52:42,880
ground through the chair to um councelor

2427
01:52:42,880 --> 01:52:45,000
Miller there there's an extreme demand

2428
01:52:45,000 --> 01:52:46,880
out there I think we're into our third

2429
01:52:46,880 --> 01:52:50,079
um interim servicing agreement out there

2430
01:52:50,079 --> 01:52:51,639
in this area for things that are going

2431
01:52:51,639 --> 01:52:53,440
to go ahead on

2432
01:52:53,440 --> 01:52:55,639
holding tanks and whatever awaiting

2433
01:52:55,639 --> 01:52:58,000
waiting the services so we are out for

2434
01:52:58,000 --> 01:53:00,400
the expression of interest to hire the

2435
01:53:00,400 --> 01:53:02,760
um so to do the pumping station designed

2436
01:53:02,760 --> 01:53:05,599
right now and you know whether we'll see

2437
01:53:05,599 --> 01:53:07,560
that implemented in

2438
01:53:07,560 --> 01:53:10,960
2026 it would be the Hope um and this

2439
01:53:10,960 --> 01:53:13,079
really does need to go in parallel with

2440
01:53:13,079 --> 01:53:17,000
that Council Miller yeah I'm not

2441
01:53:17,000 --> 01:53:19,000
confident at this point I I would rather

2442
01:53:19,000 --> 01:53:21,440
see it delay to year but that's just my

2443
01:53:21,440 --> 01:53:24,280
thoughts

2444
01:53:24,280 --> 01:53:27,430
anybody

2445
01:53:27,440 --> 01:53:30,639
else seeing none all in

2446
01:53:30,639 --> 01:53:32,400
favor

2447
01:53:32,400 --> 01:53:34,960
opposed that is

2448
01:53:34,960 --> 01:53:39,800
carried uh 8.4 rp-0 51124 assessment

2449
01:53:39,800 --> 01:53:42,719
based management policy can I get a

2450
01:53:42,719 --> 01:53:45,599
mover coun

2451
01:53:45,599 --> 01:53:47,560
Oley councelor

2452
01:53:47,560 --> 01:53:50,040
Kyle on this side of the table here

2453
01:53:50,040 --> 01:53:53,360
questions on that report counc

2454
01:53:53,360 --> 01:53:56,360
garno thank you Mr chair through to

2455
01:53:56,360 --> 01:54:00,079
staff um I do have a few um on page

2456
01:54:00,079 --> 01:54:01,639
three of three on the the memo portion

2457
01:54:01,639 --> 01:54:04,360
of the report I'm wondering if it could

2458
01:54:04,360 --> 01:54:05,920
be explained what the difference between

2459
01:54:05,920 --> 01:54:08,760
or sorry what is a review role and then

2460
01:54:08,760 --> 01:54:10,840
how is that different from a county

2461
01:54:10,840 --> 01:54:15,109
initiated

2462
01:54:15,119 --> 01:54:19,000
action coun know um we review the role

2463
01:54:19,000 --> 01:54:21,960
to sorry we review the role to ensure

2464
01:54:21,960 --> 01:54:23,360
that all properties are assessed

2465
01:54:23,360 --> 01:54:25,840
property we have a company um that

2466
01:54:25,840 --> 01:54:28,679
actually does the review for us they

2467
01:54:28,679 --> 01:54:31,239
pick up any discrepancies in zoning or

2468
01:54:31,239 --> 01:54:33,280
any building permits that are Miss

2469
01:54:33,280 --> 01:54:36,719
missed Council init Council initiated

2470
01:54:36,719 --> 01:54:39,679
appeals is when there is a major error

2471
01:54:39,679 --> 01:54:42,840
that empact cannot fix the only way to

2472
01:54:42,840 --> 01:54:45,040
fix the error is to actually appeal the

2473
01:54:45,040 --> 01:54:47,280
assessment to the

2474
01:54:47,280 --> 01:54:51,639
ARB c g thank you um and then uh on a

2475
01:54:51,639 --> 01:54:52,920
slightly different

2476
01:54:52,920 --> 01:54:56,599
topic uh section 11 of the policy

2477
01:54:56,599 --> 01:54:58,760
addresses discrep discrepancies and one

2478
01:54:58,760 --> 01:55:00,719
of the things it says is that the county

2479
01:55:00,719 --> 01:55:03,360
will help property owners who have lost

2480
01:55:03,360 --> 01:55:05,760
their agricultural forestry or

2481
01:55:05,760 --> 01:55:07,520
conservation designation I'm just

2482
01:55:07,520 --> 01:55:09,560
wondering what help we offer in those

2483
01:55:09,560 --> 01:55:12,119
circumstances I just recently helped a g

2484
01:55:12,119 --> 01:55:15,159
or helped a lady um we fill forms we

2485
01:55:15,159 --> 01:55:18,119
helped them revise them um if they

2486
01:55:18,119 --> 01:55:20,520
because the Agri Corp cannot go back to

2487
01:55:20,520 --> 01:55:22,320
Prior years they can only do the proceed

2488
01:55:22,320 --> 01:55:25,199
are they next year so anything now would

2489
01:55:25,199 --> 01:55:28,679
only be done for 2024 or 2025 we do the

2490
01:55:28,679 --> 01:55:31,960
2024 under Section 357 358 of the

2491
01:55:31,960 --> 01:55:33,040
municipal

2492
01:55:33,040 --> 01:55:36,320
act thank you and one one further one um

2493
01:55:36,320 --> 01:55:38,360
in the event that the county has taken

2494
01:55:38,360 --> 01:55:40,159
an action that's caused someone to lose

2495
01:55:40,159 --> 01:55:43,280
one of those statuses do we still help

2496
01:55:43,280 --> 01:55:47,360
them and if so how does that

2497
01:55:47,360 --> 01:55:51,440
unfold the as far as um has happened we

2498
01:55:51,440 --> 01:55:53,320
have not had any anybody lose their

2499
01:55:53,320 --> 01:55:55,560
status because of any action on behalf

2500
01:55:55,560 --> 01:55:57,920
of County if they did we would still

2501
01:55:57,920 --> 01:56:00,840
take the same action we would help them

2502
01:56:00,840 --> 01:56:02,920
assist them to get it back work with

2503
01:56:02,920 --> 01:56:06,199
Agri Corp empac and the property

2504
01:56:06,199 --> 01:56:09,709
owner okay thank

2505
01:56:09,719 --> 01:56:14,270
you anybody

2506
01:56:14,280 --> 01:56:17,679
else seeing none all in

2507
01:56:17,679 --> 01:56:22,800
favor opposed that is carried

2508
01:56:22,800 --> 01:56:26,760
okay 8.5 rpt 0519 d24 Municipal and

2509
01:56:26,760 --> 01:56:29,560
School Board elections alternate forms

2510
01:56:29,560 --> 01:56:32,040
of voting can I get a mover councelor

2511
01:56:32,040 --> 01:56:38,510
Coleman counc Bell

2512
01:56:38,520 --> 01:56:40,599
questions

2513
01:56:40,599 --> 01:56:43,639
see Council Miller well we've had this

2514
01:56:43,639 --> 01:56:46,520
discussion before Mr chair but can maybe

2515
01:56:46,520 --> 01:56:48,560
the clerk could speak too how do you how

2516
01:56:48,560 --> 01:56:50,639
do you know it's secure I

2517
01:56:50,639 --> 01:56:53,360
guess what what what what measures do we

2518
01:56:53,360 --> 01:56:56,920
take if we go to an online

2519
01:56:56,920 --> 01:56:59,040
voting um through the chair to the

2520
01:56:59,040 --> 01:57:00,599
counselor's question um there are a lot

2521
01:57:00,599 --> 01:57:02,520
of mechanisms today that are a lot more

2522
01:57:02,520 --> 01:57:04,920
secure than online voting in the past so

2523
01:57:04,920 --> 01:57:06,440
a lot of vendors today there are a lot

2524
01:57:06,440 --> 01:57:07,960
more today than there used to be they

2525
01:57:07,960 --> 01:57:09,520
have a lot more options when it comes to

2526
01:57:09,520 --> 01:57:12,000
two Factor verification so you're sent a

2527
01:57:12,000 --> 01:57:14,560
unique code either by mail or by email

2528
01:57:14,560 --> 01:57:16,000
whatever it is along with some personal

2529
01:57:16,000 --> 01:57:17,719
information that you are pairing

2530
01:57:17,719 --> 01:57:18,960
together to make sure that you are

2531
01:57:18,960 --> 01:57:22,760
getting the right person to vote

2532
01:57:22,760 --> 01:57:26,119
okay um I mean I always like the paper

2533
01:57:26,119 --> 01:57:27,400
ballot because you can count them you

2534
01:57:27,400 --> 01:57:29,920
can recount them things like that and

2535
01:57:29,920 --> 01:57:31,639
I'm not worried about Iran or Russia or

2536
01:57:31,639 --> 01:57:34,159
anybody you know hacking the municipal

2537
01:57:34,159 --> 01:57:37,520
election of Brant but is yeah my my main

2538
01:57:37,520 --> 01:57:41,360
concern and it's just reflection of my

2539
01:57:41,360 --> 01:57:44,040
age so um yeah I just want it to be

2540
01:57:44,040 --> 01:57:46,360
secure so but you feel I guess you would

2541
01:57:46,360 --> 01:57:47,880
feel it secure otherwise you wouldn't be

2542
01:57:47,880 --> 01:57:50,550
making this

2543
01:57:50,560 --> 01:57:52,679
recommendation any other questions

2544
01:57:52,679 --> 01:57:55,599
Council G thank you Mr chair I guess

2545
01:57:55,599 --> 01:57:57,520
more of a comment for staff to take back

2546
01:57:57,520 --> 01:57:59,119
um one of the things that was brought to

2547
01:57:59,119 --> 01:58:01,159
my attention during the election was

2548
01:58:01,159 --> 01:58:02,800
with regards to the voters list and I

2549
01:58:02,800 --> 01:58:04,719
know it comes to us in a certain way and

2550
01:58:04,719 --> 01:58:07,800
we take it as it is um but in a number

2551
01:58:07,800 --> 01:58:09,960
of cases I had individuals let me know

2552
01:58:09,960 --> 01:58:11,679
that they had say for example adult

2553
01:58:11,679 --> 01:58:14,880
children still listed as electors in

2554
01:58:14,880 --> 01:58:17,079
this community despite being gone a long

2555
01:58:17,079 --> 01:58:20,239
time and if the the secondary check to

2556
01:58:20,239 --> 01:58:22,760
cast a pin online is one's birth dat

2557
01:58:22,760 --> 01:58:25,159
On's parents likely also know their

2558
01:58:25,159 --> 01:58:28,119
children's birth date as far as being

2559
01:58:28,119 --> 01:58:30,520
able to cast additional votes I'm not

2560
01:58:30,520 --> 01:58:32,560
sure if this perhaps the clerk could

2561
01:58:32,560 --> 01:58:35,040
just comment on that um because the

2562
01:58:35,040 --> 01:58:37,320
other two scenarios that came to me is

2563
01:58:37,320 --> 01:58:39,520
name individuals receiving voters cards

2564
01:58:39,520 --> 01:58:41,199
and both they married and their ma names

2565
01:58:41,199 --> 01:58:45,079
or for deceased individuals within their

2566
01:58:45,079 --> 01:58:46,920
homes through the chair to the

2567
01:58:46,920 --> 01:58:49,360
counselor's question um so the voters

2568
01:58:49,360 --> 01:58:51,480
list has been taken over by um elections

2569
01:58:51,480 --> 01:58:53,800
Ontario they're doing a better job now

2570
01:58:53,800 --> 01:58:55,360
we have staff across the municipalities

2571
01:58:55,360 --> 01:58:57,880
working very closely with them um from

2572
01:58:57,880 --> 01:58:59,320
as early as last year trying to clean

2573
01:58:59,320 --> 01:59:00,560
that up right now and it looks pretty

2574
01:59:00,560 --> 01:59:02,639
good I've looked at it too so um we're a

2575
01:59:02,639 --> 01:59:03,960
little bit more hopeful with the voters

2576
01:59:03,960 --> 01:59:07,360
list there um in terms of parents

2577
01:59:07,360 --> 01:59:08,840
knowing their kids birthdays or any

2578
01:59:08,840 --> 01:59:13,280
family members um it can happen um but

2579
01:59:13,280 --> 01:59:15,480
again there are ways to send the the

2580
01:59:15,480 --> 01:59:17,760
unique pin that wouldn't just go out by

2581
01:59:17,760 --> 01:59:19,239
mail it could go to an email address

2582
01:59:19,239 --> 01:59:20,760
there are things that vendors offer so

2583
01:59:20,760 --> 01:59:22,320
that it's a bit more secure that way we

2584
01:59:22,320 --> 01:59:24,320
can try to mitigate those

2585
01:59:24,320 --> 01:59:27,199
concerns thank you I'm glad to hear

2586
01:59:27,199 --> 01:59:31,560
that counc o um to the chair to the

2587
01:59:31,560 --> 01:59:34,159
clerk um I just want to say that I'm

2588
01:59:34,159 --> 01:59:35,800
thrilled that I that will be offering

2589
01:59:35,800 --> 01:59:37,840
the online voting uh potentially on the

2590
01:59:37,840 --> 01:59:39,960
day of election I know this was uh

2591
01:59:39,960 --> 01:59:41,159
something heard from a number of folks

2592
01:59:41,159 --> 01:59:43,199
who were planning on voting online they

2593
01:59:43,199 --> 01:59:45,040
uh found out they couldn't had some sort

2594
01:59:45,040 --> 01:59:46,920
of illness other something preventing

2595
01:59:46,920 --> 01:59:49,079
them from being there in person and uh

2596
01:59:49,079 --> 01:59:51,320
they were unable to ctch their vote so I

2597
01:59:51,320 --> 01:59:54,750
think this is a great great step

2598
01:59:54,760 --> 01:59:57,599
forward anybody

2599
01:59:57,599 --> 02:00:00,480
else seeing none all in

2600
02:00:00,480 --> 02:00:05,119
favor opposed that is carried 8.6 rpt

2601
02:00:05,119 --> 02:00:08,880
042 424 2026 election W boundary and

2602
02:00:08,880 --> 02:00:11,880
Council composition survey

2603
02:00:11,880 --> 02:00:17,109
mover counc McAlpine councelor house

2604
02:00:17,119 --> 02:00:21,079
questions uh through the chair uh in

2605
02:00:21,079 --> 02:00:23,679
which year would we be intending to have

2606
02:00:23,679 --> 02:00:26,480
this uh 2030 municipal election uh

2607
02:00:26,480 --> 02:00:29,760
review with the external expertise or

2608
02:00:29,760 --> 02:00:32,840
yeah um we would be looking at starting

2609
02:00:32,840 --> 02:00:35,520
that probably about 20

2610
02:00:35,520 --> 02:00:38,480
27 we'd be starting looking at getting

2611
02:00:38,480 --> 02:00:40,719
uh someone in line to to start that

2612
02:00:40,719 --> 02:00:42,599
process because if we're doing a full

2613
02:00:42,599 --> 02:00:44,480
one there's a lot of details that are

2614
02:00:44,480 --> 02:00:46,960
going to have to be M through perfect

2615
02:00:46,960 --> 02:00:52,109
thank you anybody else

2616
02:00:52,119 --> 02:00:53,920
seeing none all in

2617
02:00:53,920 --> 02:00:57,079
favor opposed that is

2618
02:00:57,079 --> 02:00:59,280
carried okay section nine committee

2619
02:00:59,280 --> 02:01:02,639
reports 9.1 tour tourism advisory can I

2620
02:01:02,639 --> 02:01:07,239
get a mover councelor Kyle mayor Bailey

2621
02:01:07,239 --> 02:01:09,800
questions seeing none all in

2622
02:01:09,800 --> 02:01:14,040
favor opposed that is carried 9.2 Brandt

2623
02:01:14,040 --> 02:01:17,000
Heritage can I get a mover councelor

2624
02:01:17,000 --> 02:01:19,880
house councelor McAlpine

2625
02:01:19,880 --> 02:01:22,639
questions councelor Oakley to the chair

2626
02:01:22,639 --> 02:01:25,119
to the members of committee uh just for

2627
02:01:25,119 --> 02:01:27,040
some context I was I was reading through

2628
02:01:27,040 --> 02:01:29,360
the minutes as well it wasn't explicit

2629
02:01:29,360 --> 02:01:32,960
um what what is this joint Heritage

2630
02:01:32,960 --> 02:01:36,840
committee councelor H so there are uh

2631
02:01:36,840 --> 02:01:39,800
and Council cine feel free to chime in

2632
02:01:39,800 --> 02:01:41,639
on the details but there there are a

2633
02:01:41,639 --> 02:01:43,000
number of municipalities that work

2634
02:01:43,000 --> 02:01:46,880
together on as a joint Heritage effort

2635
02:01:46,880 --> 02:01:50,159
and compare notes and best practices and

2636
02:01:50,159 --> 02:01:51,560
and they meet once a year at different

2637
02:01:51,560 --> 02:01:52,440
location

2638
02:01:52,440 --> 02:01:55,440
and and it's it's our turn next year

2639
02:01:55,440 --> 02:01:57,040
that's the short

2640
02:01:57,040 --> 02:02:00,840
answer you're good with that okay all

2641
02:02:00,840 --> 02:02:02,040
those in

2642
02:02:02,040 --> 02:02:05,599
favor opposed that is

2643
02:02:05,599 --> 02:02:08,159
carried okay moving on Communications I

2644
02:02:08,159 --> 02:02:09,880
see none other business councelor Bell

2645
02:02:09,880 --> 02:02:11,239
you had to

2646
02:02:11,239 --> 02:02:15,320
items thank you uh I've had a number of

2647
02:02:15,320 --> 02:02:18,760
people rais concerns about the

2648
02:02:18,760 --> 02:02:21,599
proliferation of signage on rest AER

2649
02:02:21,599 --> 02:02:24,239
Road if anybody drives between

2650
02:02:24,239 --> 02:02:27,199
Cobblestone and Arlington Parkway you'll

2651
02:02:27,199 --> 02:02:32,079
pass I'm going to guess 20 signs and yet

2652
02:02:32,079 --> 02:02:36,719
there's the big U pillar that has all of

2653
02:02:36,719 --> 02:02:39,800
um businesses that are involved in that

2654
02:02:39,800 --> 02:02:42,040
that commercial Plaza so a question I

2655
02:02:42,040 --> 02:02:42,840
think

2656
02:02:42,840 --> 02:02:47,159
to our staff is that permissible my

2657
02:02:47,159 --> 02:02:49,480
understanding might is that they are the

2658
02:02:49,480 --> 02:02:52,920
right size they're 8 by4 so they they

2659
02:02:52,920 --> 02:02:54,679
meet that criteria but are we

2660
02:02:54,679 --> 02:02:57,840
comfortable having literally tens of

2661
02:02:57,840 --> 02:03:00,040
them on the side of the road because

2662
02:03:00,040 --> 02:03:03,159
they're distract from people looking at

2663
02:03:03,159 --> 02:03:04,960
the other signs that that we want them

2664
02:03:04,960 --> 02:03:07,000
to look at like there's a roundabout

2665
02:03:07,000 --> 02:03:09,440
coming you shouldn't stop there doesn't

2666
02:03:09,440 --> 02:03:11,119
stop people from stopping there but that

2667
02:03:11,119 --> 02:03:12,840
that's that's the the truth of the

2668
02:03:12,840 --> 02:03:15,000
matter so could I could somebody from

2669
02:03:15,000 --> 02:03:17,480
staff give me a sense of whether that's

2670
02:03:17,480 --> 02:03:19,760
something that is both

2671
02:03:19,760 --> 02:03:25,149
permissible and ively is it

2672
02:03:25,159 --> 02:03:28,440
desirable thank you Mr chair um so we do

2673
02:03:28,440 --> 02:03:30,599
occasionally get reports of signs and

2674
02:03:30,599 --> 02:03:31,920
stuff that's not in compliance with our

2675
02:03:31,920 --> 02:03:35,440
bylaw um certainly I can have staff um

2676
02:03:35,440 --> 02:03:36,880
you know take a drive and see if there's

2677
02:03:36,880 --> 02:03:39,079
any that are non- compliant um if they

2678
02:03:39,079 --> 02:03:41,400
are then we could certainly ask them to

2679
02:03:41,400 --> 02:03:44,159
be taken down um your sort of separate

2680
02:03:44,159 --> 02:03:47,480
question um was regarding the the

2681
02:03:47,480 --> 02:03:50,040
community service signs um that we have

2682
02:03:50,040 --> 02:03:51,920
in different communities and there is

2683
02:03:51,920 --> 02:03:54,800
staff report coming forward on that um

2684
02:03:54,800 --> 02:03:56,679
really to close off the we finding

2685
02:03:56,679 --> 02:03:58,840
strategy um so that will sort of be

2686
02:03:58,840 --> 02:04:02,000
addressed as a separate issue um and I

2687
02:04:02,000 --> 02:04:03,159
think they need to be dealt with

2688
02:04:03,159 --> 02:04:05,639
separately um my sense is that most of

2689
02:04:05,639 --> 02:04:08,280
those are for service clubs um versus

2690
02:04:08,280 --> 02:04:09,360
the signage that you're actually

2691
02:04:09,360 --> 02:04:11,400
referring to on rers

2692
02:04:11,400 --> 02:04:14,280
road yeah the commentary I get back from

2693
02:04:14,280 --> 02:04:16,719
from residents is this doesn't actually

2694
02:04:16,719 --> 02:04:19,239
fit with Paris being the prettiest

2695
02:04:19,239 --> 02:04:22,040
little town in Ontario uh and they're

2696
02:04:22,040 --> 02:04:24,320
quite right it's rather ugly so I I

2697
02:04:24,320 --> 02:04:26,000
would appreciate if we can take a look

2698
02:04:26,000 --> 02:04:29,040
at it second question was around

2699
02:04:29,040 --> 02:04:31,520
roundabouts and safety on roundabouts

2700
02:04:31,520 --> 02:04:35,400
and we mentioned this before could staff

2701
02:04:35,400 --> 02:04:38,280
comment as to whether they're looking at

2702
02:04:38,280 --> 02:04:41,000
um improving the safety pedestrian

2703
02:04:41,000 --> 02:04:44,750
safety on

2704
02:04:44,760 --> 02:04:54,310
roundabouts Rob's going to come up

2705
02:04:54,320 --> 02:04:57,159
or Rob answers this question we should

2706
02:04:57,159 --> 02:04:59,400
prepare ourselves for a delegation

2707
02:04:59,400 --> 02:05:02,719
coming I think probably next meeting or

2708
02:05:02,719 --> 02:05:05,760
one after that U led by somebody whose

2709
02:05:05,760 --> 02:05:08,000
children came very close to being hit on

2710
02:05:08,000 --> 02:05:10,320
the roundabouts and rers

2711
02:05:10,320 --> 02:05:13,559
R through the chair to councelor Bell um

2712
02:05:13,559 --> 02:05:16,000
actually this past week there was some

2713
02:05:16,000 --> 02:05:18,280
correspondence that made his way through

2714
02:05:18,280 --> 02:05:21,199
to some counselors and his staff and uh

2715
02:05:21,199 --> 02:05:23,520
um number of us in uh in operations

2716
02:05:23,520 --> 02:05:24,599
actually had a meeting with our

2717
02:05:24,599 --> 02:05:26,199
Consultants designing our current

2718
02:05:26,199 --> 02:05:28,800
roundabouts coming forward on uh Grand

2719
02:05:28,800 --> 02:05:31,040
River Street North as to what you know

2720
02:05:31,040 --> 02:05:32,840
his implications were for these other

2721
02:05:32,840 --> 02:05:34,400
ones which weren't designed by them but

2722
02:05:34,400 --> 02:05:35,920
they certainly understand the design and

2723
02:05:35,920 --> 02:05:38,400
what's coming up for Grand Street North

2724
02:05:38,400 --> 02:05:40,840
so I think what we need to do is we need

2725
02:05:40,840 --> 02:05:43,360
to get a good education program a better

2726
02:05:43,360 --> 02:05:46,320
education program um for residence as to

2727
02:05:46,320 --> 02:05:48,239
what the safety considerations on

2728
02:05:48,239 --> 02:05:51,040
roundabouts is for for pedestrians and

2729
02:05:51,040 --> 02:05:53,239
uh to get the real word out there and

2730
02:05:53,239 --> 02:05:55,920
there's worldwide statistics on this and

2731
02:05:55,920 --> 02:05:59,320
rounds are quite safe much safer than uh

2732
02:05:59,320 --> 02:06:01,960
than many signalized intersections and

2733
02:06:01,960 --> 02:06:03,400
we we certainly can provide that

2734
02:06:03,400 --> 02:06:05,320
information through to council and and

2735
02:06:05,320 --> 02:06:08,639
through to the residents um that being

2736
02:06:08,639 --> 02:06:10,760
said there are some new things coming up

2737
02:06:10,760 --> 02:06:13,079
in in roundabout design and we are

2738
02:06:13,079 --> 02:06:16,559
looking at some uh some measures to um

2739
02:06:16,559 --> 02:06:17,960
improve the newer ones which we're going

2740
02:06:17,960 --> 02:06:19,599
to be doing next year on Grand River

2741
02:06:19,599 --> 02:06:23,800
Street North so um you know I could go

2742
02:06:23,800 --> 02:06:25,800
on for this for for half an hour the

2743
02:06:25,800 --> 02:06:27,040
answer to the question is yes we're

2744
02:06:27,040 --> 02:06:28,920
looking at it yes we need to do

2745
02:06:28,920 --> 02:06:31,400
education and yes we'll be bringing more

2746
02:06:31,400 --> 02:06:33,880
information back to council yeah and I I

2747
02:06:33,880 --> 02:06:36,199
may Mr chair one of the things that that

2748
02:06:36,199 --> 02:06:38,559
keeps coming back to us is people are

2749
02:06:38,559 --> 02:06:40,000
getting familiar with roundabouts

2750
02:06:40,000 --> 02:06:42,040
because if you go to Cambridge or

2751
02:06:42,040 --> 02:06:44,679
kitchen or water you'll see lots of them

2752
02:06:44,679 --> 02:06:47,199
and they will point to enhancements on

2753
02:06:47,199 --> 02:06:49,880
the roundabouts there that we don't have

2754
02:06:49,880 --> 02:06:51,159
which would improve the safety of

2755
02:06:51,159 --> 02:06:52,440
pedestrian

2756
02:06:52,440 --> 02:06:54,559
so if if when you report back you can

2757
02:06:54,559 --> 02:06:57,880
comment on why we're different and why

2758
02:06:57,880 --> 02:06:59,800
we why we're different and what we could

2759
02:06:59,800 --> 02:07:04,000
do to come to the same standard that our

2760
02:07:04,000 --> 02:07:05,119
neighbors

2761
02:07:05,119 --> 02:07:07,440
have through through the charity

2762
02:07:07,440 --> 02:07:10,719
councelor Bell um over time all of these

2763
02:07:10,719 --> 02:07:13,800
things evolve and um I would say the

2764
02:07:13,800 --> 02:07:15,800
standards we've used are mostly all the

2765
02:07:15,800 --> 02:07:17,480
same and the Consultants used are mostly

2766
02:07:17,480 --> 02:07:18,639
all the same ones that have been used

2767
02:07:18,639 --> 02:07:21,239
for the the regional waterl ones as well

2768
02:07:21,239 --> 02:07:23,239
um there are new enhancements which are

2769
02:07:23,239 --> 02:07:24,719
being brought into some of their new

2770
02:07:24,719 --> 02:07:27,520
ones there many of the these things be

2771
02:07:27,520 --> 02:07:29,719
very difficult to retrofit back into

2772
02:07:29,719 --> 02:07:32,000
existing ones without a huge piece of

2773
02:07:32,000 --> 02:07:33,880
construction so you know we're looking

2774
02:07:33,880 --> 02:07:36,440
forward to that um as far as changes

2775
02:07:36,440 --> 02:07:39,320
with signage and whatever um you know

2776
02:07:39,320 --> 02:07:40,840
municipalities do do some of that

2777
02:07:40,840 --> 02:07:42,520
differently and we certainly can look at

2778
02:07:42,520 --> 02:07:46,159
some of that and see what we do going

2779
02:07:46,159 --> 02:07:49,920
forward okay the good news is though

2780
02:07:49,920 --> 02:07:51,719
although we've had all these reports how

2781
02:07:51,719 --> 02:07:54,159
unsafe they are we really haven't had

2782
02:07:54,159 --> 02:07:57,880
much in the way of incidents in them

2783
02:07:57,880 --> 02:08:01,040
so okay uh thank you for that um

2784
02:08:01,040 --> 02:08:02,320
councelor Miller you had something on

2785
02:08:02,320 --> 02:08:05,159
way finding strategy yeah thank you Mr

2786
02:08:05,159 --> 02:08:08,520
chair and I'll be as brief as I can um

2787
02:08:08,520 --> 02:08:12,040
so the way finding strategy we passed

2788
02:08:12,040 --> 02:08:13,679
accounts I don't know how long ago seven

2789
02:08:13,679 --> 02:08:14,679
eight years

2790
02:08:14,679 --> 02:08:18,239
ago and it was a way of

2791
02:08:18,239 --> 02:08:21,159
uh having common signage I guess for our

2792
02:08:21,159 --> 02:08:22,079
town

2793
02:08:22,079 --> 02:08:24,239
in settlement areas across the county

2794
02:08:24,239 --> 02:08:26,679
since we hadn't done that since Weg so

2795
02:08:26,679 --> 02:08:30,239
it made sense um it cost a lot of money

2796
02:08:30,239 --> 02:08:32,159
I was surprised at the time even then it

2797
02:08:32,159 --> 02:08:34,320
seemed like a lot

2798
02:08:34,320 --> 02:08:39,000
um so that's fine I I I I supported it

2799
02:08:39,000 --> 02:08:41,159
um what I didn't know at the

2800
02:08:41,159 --> 02:08:45,880
time was that for those um Hamlet

2801
02:08:45,880 --> 02:08:48,440
settlements call them what you will that

2802
02:08:48,440 --> 02:08:51,239
aren't in the designated as a settlement

2803
02:08:51,239 --> 02:08:53,760
there area or hamlet in the official

2804
02:08:53,760 --> 02:08:57,719
plan um and there's only 20 those signs

2805
02:08:57,719 --> 02:09:01,159
would um basically they'd be left to

2806
02:09:01,159 --> 02:09:04,360
fall over and collapse

2807
02:09:04,360 --> 02:09:07,159
so and talking to Allison sounds like

2808
02:09:07,159 --> 02:09:08,880
they there could be close to 70 of those

2809
02:09:08,880 --> 02:09:11,840
throughout the county um I put a picture

2810
02:09:11,840 --> 02:09:14,559
of Harrisburg in there or sorry not

2811
02:09:14,559 --> 02:09:17,480
Harrisburg Hatley in there um I know

2812
02:09:17,480 --> 02:09:19,480
Ton's in there Mount Burn's in there and

2813
02:09:19,480 --> 02:09:21,520
you we go through all the the wars you

2814
02:09:21,520 --> 02:09:24,920
you'll you you'll find it so I'm not

2815
02:09:24,920 --> 02:09:28,679
sure if that's a good idea for for three

2816
02:09:28,679 --> 02:09:31,840
reasons and I'll list them um first of

2817
02:09:31,840 --> 02:09:34,800
all um and I'll take Ashley if you if

2818
02:09:34,800 --> 02:09:38,040
you remove that sign you will upset

2819
02:09:38,040 --> 02:09:39,960
residents quite a bit and I think

2820
02:09:39,960 --> 02:09:42,159
needlessly I think the same with

2821
02:09:42,159 --> 02:09:46,119
anonia um and the second reason is we

2822
02:09:46,119 --> 02:09:47,199
talked about it when we were talkinging

2823
02:09:47,199 --> 02:09:49,559
about strategic plan we we wanted to

2824
02:09:49,559 --> 02:09:52,280
treat all our residents where they live

2825
02:09:52,280 --> 02:09:54,480
in Paris St George whatever W they live

2826
02:09:54,480 --> 02:09:56,960
in we wanted to treat them equitably and

2827
02:09:56,960 --> 02:09:58,400
I don't believe that's treating

2828
02:09:58,400 --> 02:10:01,800
everybody equitably um if you ask

2829
02:10:01,800 --> 02:10:03,320
somebody from hashley where they're from

2830
02:10:03,320 --> 02:10:05,320
the first thing they're going to say is

2831
02:10:05,320 --> 02:10:07,960
I'm from Hatley they don't say I live in

2832
02:10:07,960 --> 02:10:10,040
the county brand they say I'm from

2833
02:10:10,040 --> 02:10:15,199
Hatley so taking away this the very

2834
02:10:15,199 --> 02:10:17,559
taking away that sign what does it leave

2835
02:10:17,559 --> 02:10:20,599
them um what are they going to say I I'm

2836
02:10:20,599 --> 02:10:23,679
I I live in the count County of Brant um

2837
02:10:23,679 --> 02:10:25,520
okay but where and I I don't know where

2838
02:10:25,520 --> 02:10:28,000
I live

2839
02:10:28,000 --> 02:10:30,280
so that's another and then the third

2840
02:10:30,280 --> 02:10:32,599
reason is historical and and I'll go to

2841
02:10:32,599 --> 02:10:33,880
mount burn because I did a little

2842
02:10:33,880 --> 02:10:36,040
research on that with our local histori

2843
02:10:36,040 --> 02:10:37,320
Clayton

2844
02:10:37,320 --> 02:10:40,520
Barker Mount Vernon sign came down um

2845
02:10:40,520 --> 02:10:42,079
this is all allar and I asked I just

2846
02:10:42,079 --> 02:10:45,040
sent an email to Greg de says can you

2847
02:10:45,040 --> 02:10:48,559
guys put that back up and he said uh no

2848
02:10:48,559 --> 02:10:51,440
um so he got me in contact with Melissa

2849
02:10:51,440 --> 02:10:53,199
said well that's not part of our wave

2850
02:10:53,199 --> 02:10:55,719
finding strategy I said okay so she sent

2851
02:10:55,719 --> 02:10:57,440
me the info on those 20 things which I

2852
02:10:57,440 --> 02:10:59,920
included in their package um but but

2853
02:10:59,920 --> 02:11:02,199
take Mount Vernon for example um that

2854
02:11:02,199 --> 02:11:04,719
was a town started as Springfield back

2855
02:11:04,719 --> 02:11:08,360
in 1802 so it's been around you know

2856
02:11:08,360 --> 02:11:13,440
2 22 years um started at Springfield I

2857
02:11:13,440 --> 02:11:15,559
think the name changed in 1850 was

2858
02:11:15,559 --> 02:11:18,559
actually a large town at the time they

2859
02:11:18,559 --> 02:11:20,960
had half a dozen Mills there um if

2860
02:11:20,960 --> 02:11:23,119
you're familiar with with M Vernon at

2861
02:11:23,119 --> 02:11:24,760
all they had a cemetery they had a

2862
02:11:24,760 --> 02:11:26,760
railway stop they have a church thanks

2863
02:11:26,760 --> 02:11:28,559
to counselor garno I know they had a

2864
02:11:28,559 --> 02:11:30,599
school because we have a picture of a

2865
02:11:30,599 --> 02:11:33,800
graduating class from there um so it had

2866
02:11:33,800 --> 02:11:37,599
a lot of things uh berford had a fire

2867
02:11:37,599 --> 02:11:40,400
big fire uh bunch of fires um in the

2868
02:11:40,400 --> 02:11:41,280
early

2869
02:11:41,280 --> 02:11:43,320
1880s and they actually took some of the

2870
02:11:43,320 --> 02:11:45,000
commercial buildings from Mount Vernon

2871
02:11:45,000 --> 02:11:47,239
and they moved up to berford which had

2872
02:11:47,239 --> 02:11:50,079
also been called claremount at one time

2873
02:11:50,079 --> 02:11:52,040
um and it's interesting because talking

2874
02:11:52,040 --> 02:11:52,920
to

2875
02:11:52,920 --> 02:11:55,559
Clayton he was connecting dots for me

2876
02:11:55,559 --> 02:11:57,440
and you could see that uh they wanted

2877
02:11:57,440 --> 02:11:59,719
berford to kind of take off and it

2878
02:11:59,719 --> 02:12:04,159
became part of this politically

2879
02:12:04,159 --> 02:12:06,639
um well for political reasons that's why

2880
02:12:06,639 --> 02:12:08,880
Brent County was was started so it's

2881
02:12:08,880 --> 02:12:10,520
interesting if if you learn about where

2882
02:12:10,520 --> 02:12:13,440
something started and why you you

2883
02:12:13,440 --> 02:12:15,719
understand uh where it's going to go to

2884
02:12:15,719 --> 02:12:18,480
so anyways take away the Mount Vernon

2885
02:12:18,480 --> 02:12:20,880
sign and what are you left with all that

2886
02:12:20,880 --> 02:12:22,960
history is gone it's just gone there's

2887
02:12:22,960 --> 02:12:27,199
nothing to to to to recognize it so um I

2888
02:12:27,199 --> 02:12:28,960
I like I said understand the way Finance

2889
02:12:28,960 --> 02:12:31,360
Str understand we want common signage

2890
02:12:31,360 --> 02:12:33,079
for the settlement areas recognized in

2891
02:12:33,079 --> 02:12:35,239
the op but at the same time I don't

2892
02:12:35,239 --> 02:12:37,559
believe we should be ignoring the

2893
02:12:37,559 --> 02:12:41,040
existing signs for all those smaller

2894
02:12:41,040 --> 02:12:43,599
again I'll call them hamlets sement

2895
02:12:43,599 --> 02:12:47,280
areas throughout the county so

2896
02:12:47,280 --> 02:12:50,199
um that's what I've learned on this and

2897
02:12:50,199 --> 02:12:52,520
um I did talk to staff and what I would

2898
02:12:52,520 --> 02:12:55,719
ask Mr uh Mr chair if you allow is is a

2899
02:12:55,719 --> 02:12:58,320
motion to refer this matter back to

2900
02:12:58,320 --> 02:13:00,159
staff and and then they could come back

2901
02:13:00,159 --> 02:13:03,520
with a report saying um uh we could just

2902
02:13:03,520 --> 02:13:05,760
replace the current signs uh we could

2903
02:13:05,760 --> 02:13:08,119
upgrade them there's a cost to that too

2904
02:13:08,119 --> 02:13:10,719
and at least at least we as a council

2905
02:13:10,719 --> 02:13:12,119
could could make that decision have

2906
02:13:12,119 --> 02:13:14,159
further discussion so I'll make a motion

2907
02:13:14,159 --> 02:13:17,159
that we refer the matter to staff uh

2908
02:13:17,159 --> 02:13:20,040
seeking a second counc car second do you

2909
02:13:20,040 --> 02:13:24,549
want to speak to it

2910
02:13:24,559 --> 02:13:26,119
yeah so I do want to support councelor

2911
02:13:26,119 --> 02:13:29,159
Miller in this and offer a real example

2912
02:13:29,159 --> 02:13:31,760
of why I think as much as there's a cost

2913
02:13:31,760 --> 02:13:33,400
we should keep these identities so if

2914
02:13:33,400 --> 02:13:35,320
you ask me where I live I kind of go

2915
02:13:35,320 --> 02:13:38,800
well I'm sort of near canesville um the

2916
02:13:38,800 --> 02:13:40,280
alternative is to say on the east side

2917
02:13:40,280 --> 02:13:42,800
of Branford and we are probably Grant

2918
02:13:42,800 --> 02:13:45,079
County which lands me here today um but

2919
02:13:45,079 --> 02:13:47,400
I suspect there are others around the

2920
02:13:47,400 --> 02:13:49,800
table that or their parents may have

2921
02:13:49,800 --> 02:13:51,880
remembered the area as monkey Hollow

2922
02:13:51,880 --> 02:13:54,960
Pine Grove or the Johnson settlement but

2923
02:13:54,960 --> 02:13:57,880
today that's not an area that is

2924
02:13:57,880 --> 02:14:00,800
recognized or even if I said we're we're

2925
02:14:00,800 --> 02:14:02,520
in Pine grve I don't know that anyone

2926
02:14:02,520 --> 02:14:04,360
would know how to find us because I

2927
02:14:04,360 --> 02:14:06,679
suspect the signage we once had is long

2928
02:14:06,679 --> 02:14:08,639
since lost to history and I've been on a

2929
02:14:08,639 --> 02:14:11,280
mission to uncover that history and

2930
02:14:11,280 --> 02:14:12,599
another local historian who's here

2931
02:14:12,599 --> 02:14:14,400
tonight has been helping me with that

2932
02:14:14,400 --> 02:14:17,040
but I I think this is worth a discussion

2933
02:14:17,040 --> 02:14:19,280
particularly for our rural communities

2934
02:14:19,280 --> 02:14:22,960
who are unlikely to ever identify as

2935
02:14:22,960 --> 02:14:24,719
being part of more of our anchor

2936
02:14:24,719 --> 02:14:26,079
community so I want to thank councelor

2937
02:14:26,079 --> 02:14:27,920
Miller for bringing this forward and

2938
02:14:27,920 --> 02:14:30,000
look forward to if we're successful

2939
02:14:30,000 --> 02:14:32,599
tonight with resolution report from

2940
02:14:32,599 --> 02:14:34,400
staff thank

2941
02:14:34,400 --> 02:14:37,480
you council

2942
02:14:37,480 --> 02:14:39,599
chambers yes I certainly support the

2943
02:14:39,599 --> 02:14:42,360
resolution I can recall and maybe the

2944
02:14:42,360 --> 02:14:44,520
people on Council of the day can recall

2945
02:14:44,520 --> 02:14:46,520
when I did the same kind of spiel about

2946
02:14:46,520 --> 02:14:48,760
hashley as councelor Miller did about

2947
02:14:48,760 --> 02:14:50,199
Mount Vernon and that's why the hashley

2948
02:14:50,199 --> 02:14:53,559
sign Got erected and my memory serves

2949
02:14:53,559 --> 02:14:55,040
correctly not all members of council

2950
02:14:55,040 --> 02:14:57,800
were supportive of that and remember one

2951
02:14:57,800 --> 02:14:59,960
in particular said if we do it for one

2952
02:14:59,960 --> 02:15:02,280
we'll have to do it for everyone which I

2953
02:15:02,280 --> 02:15:05,119
said maybe we should do it for everyone

2954
02:15:05,119 --> 02:15:07,239
and uh maybe that Council can remember

2955
02:15:07,239 --> 02:15:10,360
saying that so I support the the

2956
02:15:10,360 --> 02:15:11,920
resolution I know if you drive through

2957
02:15:11,920 --> 02:15:14,000
noral County you go through dogs nest

2958
02:15:14,000 --> 02:15:15,679
and rattlesnake Harbor and they've got

2959
02:15:15,679 --> 02:15:19,119
their little signs up there and hunky D

2960
02:15:19,119 --> 02:15:21,000
those kind of places it's interesting

2961
02:15:21,000 --> 02:15:23,639
for the the people that drive by it it's

2962
02:15:23,639 --> 02:15:25,440
it's excellent for the residents who

2963
02:15:25,440 --> 02:15:27,040
live there and know a little bit of

2964
02:15:27,040 --> 02:15:28,840
local history and we don't want to lose

2965
02:15:28,840 --> 02:15:33,520
that local history and uh I certainly uh

2966
02:15:33,520 --> 02:15:35,960
know a little bit about Mount Vernon it

2967
02:15:35,960 --> 02:15:38,599
was a county seat at one time so uh not

2968
02:15:38,599 --> 02:15:41,159
too long ago and sure these things

2969
02:15:41,159 --> 02:15:43,760
should be done and I don't expect that

2970
02:15:43,760 --> 02:15:46,480
we need to put the big blue pillared

2971
02:15:46,480 --> 02:15:50,199
signs like in Fairfield of all places um

2972
02:15:50,199 --> 02:15:51,880
which has its own history but doesn't

2973
02:15:51,880 --> 02:15:53,159
really need that kind of a sign just

2974
02:15:53,159 --> 02:15:55,040
needs a little sign that says this is

2975
02:15:55,040 --> 02:15:57,119
where Fairfield is so let's uh move

2976
02:15:57,119 --> 02:15:59,800
forward and and and recognize Our

2977
02:15:59,800 --> 02:16:01,599
Heritage and history and and name these

2978
02:16:01,599 --> 02:16:03,719
little places and put the signs up so

2979
02:16:03,719 --> 02:16:05,040
everybody knows where they

2980
02:16:05,040 --> 02:16:09,040
are counc house thank you Mr chair yeah

2981
02:16:09,040 --> 02:16:11,360
and I I agree I I support this as well

2982
02:16:11,360 --> 02:16:14,239
from a Heritage perspective and I think

2983
02:16:14,239 --> 02:16:18,320
not only the people who have uh

2984
02:16:18,320 --> 02:16:21,280
generations of of history in these areas

2985
02:16:21,280 --> 02:16:24,800
but people who are new to this broader

2986
02:16:24,800 --> 02:16:27,719
Community move here because they like

2987
02:16:27,719 --> 02:16:30,840
that the small town charm we hear that a

2988
02:16:30,840 --> 02:16:33,920
lot and one of the ways that we can

2989
02:16:33,920 --> 02:16:36,040
maintain and reinforce the small town

2990
02:16:36,040 --> 02:16:39,840
charm is by continuing to recognize

2991
02:16:39,840 --> 02:16:42,639
these these little hamlets and and I I

2992
02:16:42,639 --> 02:16:45,509
think it's a great

2993
02:16:45,519 --> 02:16:47,800
idea Okay so we've got a motion on the

2994
02:16:47,800 --> 02:16:52,559
table it is seconded all those in favor

2995
02:16:52,559 --> 02:16:55,559
opposed

2996
02:16:55,559 --> 02:16:57,599
unanimous okay that was it for other

2997
02:16:57,599 --> 02:17:00,760
business so now can I get a motion to go

2998
02:17:00,760 --> 02:17:04,800
in camera um we're going to go in camera

2999
02:17:04,800 --> 02:17:08,160
to discuss rp-0

3000
02:17:08,160 --> 02:17:10,399
54-24 uh a proposed imp pending

3001
02:17:10,399 --> 02:17:12,120
acquisition or disposition of land by

3002
02:17:12,120 --> 02:17:14,800
the municipality or local board 925 rest

3003
02:17:14,800 --> 02:17:16,960
Acres

3004
02:17:16,960 --> 02:17:22,599
Road councelor Coleman mayor Bailey

3005
02:17:22,599 --> 02:17:24,040
all in

3006
02:17:24,040 --> 02:17:49,830
favor opposed we're going to

3007
02:17:49,840 --> 02:18:19,750
go

3008
02:18:19,760 --> 02:21:44,710
e e

3009
02:21:44,720 --> 02:21:47,720
okay we are back in Open Session I do

3010
02:21:47,720 --> 02:21:49,800
not see anything else on the agenda for

3011
02:21:49,800 --> 02:21:53,190
this evening

3012
02:21:53,200 --> 02:21:56,710
we are back in Open

3013
02:21:56,720 --> 02:21:58,920
Session anybody else have anything for

3014
02:21:58,920 --> 02:22:01,200
the betterment of the

3015
02:22:01,200 --> 02:22:04,560
county if not ask for motion to adjourn

3016
02:22:04,560 --> 02:22:08,960
Council Coleman thank you have a great