[0:00] everybody and welcome to the November
[0:02] 19th um Administration and operations
[0:04] committee um thank you all for attending
[0:07] uh attendants did I see councelor
[0:10] Chambers council chambers is here so
[0:12] everybody is on site today which is
[0:14] great uh anybody have anything to add to
[0:16] the
[0:17] agenda councelor Bell uh Mr chair two
[0:21] small things in any other the business
[0:22] that's okay okay anybody
[0:28] else okay seeing none can I get a motion
[0:31] to approve the agenda as amended mayor
[0:33] Bailey councel Oakley all in
[0:37] favor opposed that is
[0:41] carried okay okay um delegations or
[0:47] Declaration of pecuniary interest is
[0:48] there any right now counc garno thank
[0:51] you Mr chair 8.1 8.1 anybody
[0:55] else okay if anything arises through the
[0:57] meeting just let me know uh Del ation we
[1:00] do have a delegation today is Melanie
[1:03] here y Melanie is here if you'd like to
[1:06] come
[1:18] up okay
[1:30] Mel if I could just ask that you make
[1:32] sure the light is on on the microphone
[1:34] there just push the button yeah green
[1:37] and if you could just state your name
[1:38] and address and you have 10 minutes for
[1:40] your presentation thank you okay um I'm
[1:43] Melanie MIRS I live at 22 madis in
[1:49] Branford so I'm here today representing
[1:52] the St George Children's Center um which
[1:55] is a Heritage Building located on 38
[1:59] bever Street in St George so I do have a
[2:03] slide presentation I don't
[2:06] know where that
[2:08] is sorry
[2:42] scroll down okay perfect so first off I
[2:46] just want to give you a little overhead
[2:47] of what St George to Center is and what
[2:49] it has become over the time frame so um
[2:53] I'll just first start out with this is
[2:55] our location so this child care opened
[2:58] up in 19
[3:00] 1988 as a child care center uh 36 years
[3:04] ago so since then um we are the only
[3:08] full-time child care in St George at the
[3:11] present time there is another program
[3:13] that offers part day but we are the only
[3:14] full-time child care in St
[3:17] George um and started with 16 children
[3:20] back in 1988 in May of
[3:24] 20122 I was asked to join this team to
[3:26] try to increase the spaces as well as
[3:29] try to increase enrollment because um as
[3:33] most of you know Child Care is something
[3:35] that is definitely needed in our
[3:36] community and with growing populations
[3:39] and expansions and buildings Child Care
[3:41] is definitely a need in St George so um
[3:45] when I joined the team it had 45
[3:47] children the hours are 7 to 5:30 I had a
[3:50] vision that with this team and the
[3:52] community we could build more so now the
[3:55] main site has gone from 45 to 126
[3:58] children in that location we are
[4:00] utilizing all rooms at this time um we
[4:04] also opened another site September 2022
[4:07] in the school which has uh 20 children
[4:11] as well and we opened a new location
[4:13] Little Learners in June um that has 26
[4:17] children it's operating out of St
[4:19] Andrew's Church the basement there so um
[4:23] at the present
[4:24] time um this is our toddler sorry minute
[4:32] this is our child room um right now this
[4:35] is the highest need in our community in
[4:37] St Georgia the present as of today just
[4:39] for the main site I have 408 children
[4:43] needing care um and this is only for 18
[4:46] months to two and a
[4:48] half our next group is preschoolers um
[4:51] this group um at the main site we have
[4:54] 83 children waiting and this is for two
[4:57] and a half until 5ye olds and this is
[5:00] our JK school age at the present time we
[5:03] have no children waiting for this if you
[5:05] have a JK or School AG child you get in
[5:07] right away and I'm servicing 60 children
[5:10] at the present main
[5:12] location our uh School location is for
[5:16] our older guys our 9 to 12 year olds and
[5:18] we have Tony children there and our
[5:20] full in June as I said we opened up just
[5:24] after five months of being approved to
[5:26] the new Little Learners Site we've gone
[5:29] from 8 Educators to 31 Educators at all
[5:32] three locations presently at the Little
[5:35] Learners location I have 142 children
[5:38] waiting for this program in the 18
[5:40] months to two and a half and I have 27
[5:43] children waiting for the preschool
[5:45] program so I just wanted to give you a
[5:48] little synopsis of that and why I'm here
[5:51] today as you know the government has
[5:53] frozen the funds for all child care as
[5:55] of 2022 April 1st and we can't increase
[5:59] our rate R to parents due to the
[6:00] government program which um is trying to
[6:04] get us to that $10 of day child care so
[6:07] with that being said um we are usually
[6:11] we' use money to from parents revenues
[6:14] things like that um and different types
[6:17] of Grants but the grants for child care
[6:19] have been shut down at this time um due
[6:22] to new funding regulations so there's no
[6:25] money for us to help with the upkeep of
[6:28] this Heritage bill
[6:30] so we are in desperate need of Windows
[6:34] Our Heritage our building um we' had
[6:36] people come in we have we run this
[6:38] building on the main site we run it uh
[6:41] with two furnaces because it's such a
[6:43] big location and we've had the furnaces
[6:46] service several times and they're saying
[6:48] we're throwing money out the window
[6:50] because of the windows the furnaces are
[6:52] in great shape we're have no concerns
[6:54] there so uh in your little package
[6:57] you'll see um this is the main site and
[6:59] what has sort of happened so our windows
[7:01] are starting to fall forward um we are
[7:04] not able to get replacement parts we
[7:07] can't figure out who the manufacturer is
[7:09] of these older windows so we some of the
[7:12] windows we have locked of course if a
[7:13] window was absolutely broken we would
[7:15] absolutely get the funds to try to
[7:17] repair those but it's an overall
[7:19] existing problem we've got seal failure
[7:22] we've got vinyl warping we have original
[7:25] wooden windows in some of the places
[7:28] that aren't even vinyl which date back
[7:30] to the
[7:31] early um I have someone in the window
[7:34] business that is saying probably in the
[7:36] early 1960s range of the type of Windows
[7:41] in some of the areas so as you can see
[7:44] here you can see that we've got
[7:46] different types of failure we've got
[7:48] condensation coming in on the glass as
[7:50] you can see and we've got those older
[7:52] wind wood frame Windows as you can see
[7:55] as well so we've gone forward to get
[7:58] three type of quotes um with regards to
[8:01] the windows as you can see we've got
[8:03] three quotes with regards to that
[8:05] building if you can believe it has 90
[8:08] Windows 90 so we are there are tons and
[8:12] tons of windows it's a beautiful space
[8:14] lots of Lal light comes in that building
[8:17] and so we are in need of some of those
[8:20] funds so I have been in touch with
[8:22] Jasmine um from uh Heritage and we're
[8:25] hoping that we can get some sort of
[8:27] funds or something to a assist with the
[8:30] process even if we have to do one at a
[8:33] time we're prepared to do that but I
[8:35] just uh at this stage we're just
[8:37] throwing money out the door with the
[8:38] heating problem because of the poor
[8:40] windows so I'm here today to present
[8:43] that to council to see if there's any
[8:46] funds we will take anything um at this
[8:49] point uh to help us to um help us with
[8:52] the window project does anybody have any
[8:57] questions questions from committee
[9:02] C
[9:04] mine so my understanding there's a few
[9:07] windows in particular that are desperate
[9:09] to be replaced if you were able to maybe
[9:11] elaborate on that a bit so we have four
[9:14] windows that we're going to have to
[9:16] replace no matter what because the locks
[9:18] have fallen and they're falling forward
[9:19] so we have to lock them to keep them
[9:21] forward um to keep them closed at this
[9:24] point it's not a fire hazard it's not a
[9:26] Ministry we're not breaking any rules by
[9:28] not having them fixed but there are four
[9:31] bigger Windows um estimated cost toing
[9:34] around $6,000 for those four to be done
[9:38] um those are ones that we're going to
[9:40] start with but um the furnace and
[9:43] everyone guys are saying to us you know
[9:45] it's fine through one at a time but the
[9:47] problem's not goingon to be solved until
[9:48] you do them all yeah so good just
[9:52] another followup question um I think my
[9:56] understanding is you would need
[9:57] permission from the
[9:59] the Horseshoe here I guess to have staff
[10:03] help you with the grants is that correct
[10:06] um that would be an area for Jasmine
[10:08] that would be able to speak on that
[10:10] would you be able to speak on that
[10:18] Jasmine can I get you to just state your
[10:20] name for the clerk please sure uh
[10:22] Jasmine Bard I'm Arts culture and
[10:23] Heritage officer for County
[10:26] Brant through the chair M councelor
[10:29] Miguel can you repeat your question um
[10:32] I'm just asking that you you need um
[10:36] direction from the council in order to
[10:38] go ahead with helping with the grants
[10:41] applications is that correct uh through
[10:43] the chair to councel MC Alpine it is
[10:44] also a designated Heritage building with
[10:47] bylaw so we need a direction to bring it
[10:50] to the Heritage committee proper and the
[10:52] Heritage committee will have to rep
[10:54] approve the repairs um but yes we're
[10:57] also looking for grant funding and on
[11:02] it is this point where I can ask
[11:04] question from
[11:05] staff uh let's just stand by we'll
[11:09] Circle back to you okay councelor how
[11:11] then councelor Bell thank you Mr chair
[11:14] through you uh and I think I'm I'm
[11:19] predicting that maybe Council mpan and I
[11:21] were thinking in the same direction but
[11:23] if if I'm not mistaken the way our
[11:27] process works
[11:30] sorry councelor how is your time
[11:32] [Laughter]
[11:34] zone
[11:36] um we're just waiting for the countdown
[11:38] clock okay so um if I'm not mistaken the
[11:42] way requests for funding requests for
[11:47] Grants typically the
[11:50] response is we're going to defer you to
[11:53] our our grant
[11:57] process however if it's an emergency
[12:00] Grant request which is I think what you
[12:04] meant then we look at it
[12:07] differently and I'm wondering if uh
[12:11] staff if Allison could maybe um clarify
[12:15] my understanding on that but I I believe
[12:17] that if you're calling this an emergency
[12:19] Grant request then that's something we
[12:21] could be looking at Short Term and then
[12:25] you could still look at the grant
[12:27] process which happens early next
[12:32] year through you Mr chair um certainly
[12:35] Council can direct um staff to
[12:37] administer emergency funds but I would
[12:38] have to um ask Finance uh how much we
[12:42] may have in those
[12:45] reserves I'll leave it at that for now
[12:48] Mr chair councelor Bell thank
[12:52] you through you to Melanie you're
[12:54] looking for $94,000 to do the whole
[12:57] piece of work that's what I understand
[13:00] correct so if it was your house um You'
[13:02] think well I'll add to my mortgage so if
[13:05] you were to mortgage
[13:08] $94,000 a current interest rate I think
[13:11] you're looking at about $110,000 a year
[13:14] you'd need to pay for the capital and
[13:17] and the interest and if you got
[13:20] 152 people that you support that's
[13:24] $65 a year or about $1 a week have you
[13:28] thought about a campaign that you make
[13:30] it clear to the 152 people that are
[13:33] there parents of the people are there
[13:35] that if you don't do this you won't be
[13:37] able to stay in business so you're
[13:39] basically going to ask them to support
[13:41] by giving $1 a week and you your problem
[13:45] will be addressed now I'm being very
[13:48] simplistic but have you approached it
[13:50] from that angle as well as asking for
[13:53] funding from Grants and the
[13:56] council so we did look into the
[13:59] the city of Branford the Brant
[14:02] Foundation grants and those grants were
[14:03] closed and we found out that this was a
[14:05] desperate need so that Grant process was
[14:07] closed we did look that we did look into
[14:09] some other Ontario grants and we don't
[14:12] qualify with being a nonprofit and a
[14:14] charitable program a charitable Child
[14:17] Care um we cannot legally go to parents
[14:21] and ask if a parent donates but I can't
[14:24] due to the regulations of fees and
[14:26] things like that there's strict rules on
[14:29] rates I can't ask parents I can ask
[14:31] parents to donate a gift or a card or
[14:34] whatever but I'd have to be very careful
[14:36] in how I ask parents to say you know
[14:39] we're going to bill you an extra dollar
[14:40] a week for your child care costs or
[14:43] something to cover that but we are at
[14:46] where we are at
[14:48] financially if if I could have not come
[14:51] here I would have not come
[14:53] here mayor Bailey uh through you Mr
[14:57] chair to Melody uh I had the same
[15:00] problem when I bought my house and I
[15:01] have over 60 windows in my house and I
[15:04] hired someone for the best price to do
[15:06] the first two windows and uh he
[15:10] butchered them uh and then I called the
[15:13] lowest quote on your list which happens
[15:15] to be your husband Window World uh and
[15:19] and who's also a rotarian friend of mine
[15:21] and he came and put the windows in my
[15:24] house
[15:25] uh and they they approved it was
[15:27] approved by heritage obviously and he
[15:30] also fixed the windows that he didn't
[15:32] even put in to make them all match which
[15:35] I thought was very nice of them um but
[15:38] the savings is incredible in my house uh
[15:41] because of the new windows I did it over
[15:42] a number of years too because I I had I
[15:45] don't know $1,200 a window or something
[15:48] crazy thing so um but you have the right
[15:51] players in place and I I don't know how
[15:53] else we could do it can we have a
[15:55] capital campaign can I can I do a
[15:57] campaign for St George and ask people to
[16:00] support the school for
[16:03] for for the daycare center can I can I
[16:05] do that because I mean I know there's
[16:07] people in St George that know that it's
[16:09] a it has to be done and enough people in
[16:12] St George live in Heritage properties
[16:14] that they know the the heat that escapes
[16:18] is expensive so I don't know I don't
[16:20] know whether that's in my realm of
[16:22] things I can do away from Council
[16:25] whether I can had a fundraiser for it I
[16:27] don't know that there's a better CA
[16:29] right now you've got that many kids
[16:31] waiting and I was at the opening of your
[16:33] your second your second daycare at the
[16:35] at the church the need is huge I mean
[16:38] their their waiting list is is pregnant
[16:40] women that haven't even had the babies
[16:42] yet that are on the list um it's it's
[16:45] kind of kooky that the need that's
[16:47] coming to St George and that's without
[16:48] any visible growth this time in two
[16:51] years we're going to be talking about a
[16:52] whole different animal in St George so I
[16:54] think we need to get our ducks in a row
[16:55] now um so I counc CHR I don't know
[16:59] whether so I can help out or not so I
[17:02] guess my my my question for
[17:03] clarification on that baile is the fact
[17:05] are you looking at potentially doing
[17:06] this as David Bailey or are you looking
[17:08] at doing this as mayor David Bailey it
[17:10] would have to be the
[17:12] mayor because I wouldn't want it to be I
[17:14] wouldn't want it to be mixed up with my
[17:16] own Foundation that I already have at
[17:18] the Brent Community Foundation and
[17:20] that's in the name of David Bailey so
[17:22] this would have to be the
[17:24] mayor um so I think we would have to
[17:26] have staff look into that to understand
[17:28] how that would play
[17:30] out okay uh councelor Miller just a few
[17:34] questions through you Mr chair to the
[17:36] presenter um does the daycare own that
[17:39] building we do okay we have a mortgage
[17:43] okay um you've got a requesting we don't
[17:46] have any your financials like are you
[17:48] guys putting money aside when you when
[17:50] you get
[17:51] fees um you have operating costs Capital
[17:55] costs do you put money aside for Capital
[17:57] cost we do okay yep
[17:59] can you talk a little bit about um you
[18:02] touched on it um I just wonder if you
[18:04] could flush it out a bit um as far as
[18:07] you can't you've talked about what you
[18:09] can't do what as far as raising money
[18:12] goes like going to the parents what can
[18:15] you do and related to that question is
[18:18] you're not the only child care uh Center
[18:20] in financial distress what are they
[18:23] doing have you talk to other ones
[18:25] because I think this $10 a day child
[18:28] care um has caused a bit of financial
[18:31] hardship for a lot of daycare so what
[18:33] have you guys done
[18:35] specifically um to raise cash or raise
[18:38] money and what are other child care
[18:40] center so this isn't my first rodeo I've
[18:43] been in child care for 33 years I was a
[18:46] supervisor of all child care centers in
[18:47] the county and the city for 31 years and
[18:51] then I came up to St George so I'm well
[18:53] aware of the other programs that are
[18:55] sort of suffering and not suffering the
[18:57] most of the programs uh that have child
[19:00] carees are in rental situations there
[19:03] are very few that own the buildings so
[19:06] they go back to their landlords for
[19:08] those type of issues um that's with the
[19:10] survey that I did put out there that's
[19:12] where they're going back as to their
[19:13] landlord for that type of thing with
[19:15] regards to funds and reserves there's
[19:17] certain money that the government will
[19:20] take from me if I have too much so I
[19:23] have to slot it to different slots so I
[19:26] have learned a little bit as they say to
[19:28] play the game
[19:29] and so I can put a capital reserve for
[19:32] future child care centers but I can't
[19:35] use some of the money for um to keep up
[19:39] what I have so I do we do have a reserve
[19:42] fund that is for if we can build another
[19:45] Center which St George is going to need
[19:47] if St George gets a school I we've got
[19:50] some funds there that we can put into
[19:52] that um which is capital or new build
[19:55] fund um so I do have funds for that as
[19:58] we got so far
[20:00] so okay I I I I would have appreciated
[20:04] that
[20:05] information in your information that you
[20:07] give us but um and I I'll just kind of
[20:10] touch on what counselor Bell said
[20:11] talking about a mortgage or you get a
[20:13] loan
[20:15] um and and it's not a bad idea and the
[20:18] reason I say that is because the payback
[20:19] on a window as far as I know it's a
[20:21] capital cost but as far as operating
[20:23] cost I mean you you'll save the money in
[20:25] utilities within five maybe four years
[20:28] if bad you say so um it would be good if
[20:32] again if you could get that get the
[20:34] windows in and save on the operating
[20:35] cost but anyways thank you for
[20:38] your any other questions Council Garo
[20:41] thank you Mr chair through to the
[20:43] presenter U being a Heritage building
[20:45] are the rest of the walls insulated do
[20:47] you know what
[20:49] to whether that's been done or is there
[20:53] has been some done
[20:55] yes any other questions
[21:00] counc McAlpine will'll go back to you
[21:02] when the time comes I'd like to make a
[21:04] motion I think now might be the time if
[21:06] there's no more questions from committee
[21:08] okay so just to get the ball rolling I'd
[21:11] like to suggest that we make a grant
[21:13] from the county for
[21:14] 25,000 and then we work with Dave Bailey
[21:17] and maybe raise some funds and if we can
[21:20] direct staff to bring it to Heritage
[21:22] about other grants that might be
[21:24] available it's a bit of a mouthful but
[21:27] okay second to that motion councelor
[21:30] Kyle
[21:32] questions councelor Chambers then
[21:34] councelor house yeah I I'm I understand
[21:36] the motion I just don't like the process
[21:39] it would be nice to have a little bit
[21:41] more documentation on where the money's
[21:43] coming from and what you going to do
[21:45] with that kind of thing so uh I would
[21:48] much rather refer this to either a staff
[21:51] report for funding options or refer it
[21:54] to the budget committee but to today
[21:58] throw
[21:59] money at the problem and then
[22:02] uh ask David to do something with the
[22:06] mayor's that to me is not the way to
[22:09] solve the problem because it's still
[22:12] going to leave uh
[22:16] $75,000 funding shortfall at some point
[22:20] where if it goes through the grant
[22:21] committee and that it may be uh there
[22:25] may be better options is what I'm saying
[22:26] so I'm not going to support the motion
[22:29] as it is if the motion fails then I
[22:31] would put a motion forward to refer it
[22:34] to staff for funding options uh to
[22:37] resolve the
[22:39] problem councelor house and councel open
[22:42] uh thank you Mr chair uh to the motion I
[22:44] I am supportive of this uh again I'm I'm
[22:50] and I don't even know if this is an
[22:51] amendment or friendly Amendment or just
[22:53] uh edit that I think you meant emergency
[22:57] Grant um
[22:59] and the way I'm looking at this this is
[23:02] $100,000 plus situation and the county
[23:07] of Brandt is is not necessarily going to
[23:10] be in a position ever to hand over
[23:12] $100,000 but if we're able to assist in
[23:18] getting things started and and the
[23:20] example that the mayor provided you know
[23:22] with his own house you know you do the
[23:25] worst two or three first and and and and
[23:28] you start start working towards it and
[23:30] then work towards a capital campaign
[23:32] with the mayor's help the grant Pro the
[23:35] normal Grant process uh which is
[23:38] available to any
[23:41] nonprofit
[23:42] organization um so I I I think
[23:46] approaching this in a multi multitude of
[23:49] ways is appropriate and I support the uh
[23:52] the motion as it stands with the word
[23:54] emergency in
[23:56] there councelor Oakley then mayor B
[23:59] uh through the chair to finance staff if
[24:02] possible um what what monies do we
[24:04] currently have in regards to Grants and
[24:07] am I correct in that we actually no
[24:08] longer have the emergency Grant um uh
[24:12] tool um I believe that was something we
[24:15] might have removed in the last
[24:17] year yeah so we we did remove the
[24:20] emergency Grant category on the basis
[24:22] that if during the year Council wanted
[24:24] to give money on an emergency basis we
[24:26] would we would make that um happen uh we
[24:30] do not have any money left in the Emer
[24:32] in the grants budget for 2024 um but if
[24:36] Council uh directed I mean certainly we
[24:38] would come back with how where we could
[24:42] pull the money from or or defer to 2025
[24:45] there there's options out there it's
[24:46] just a matter of how if this
[24:48] recommendation goes through um as is we
[24:51] could do a Friday file report just
[24:52] outlining where the money is going to
[24:54] come from or if Council wants to defer
[24:56] it for a report on options then you're
[24:58] certainly welcome to do that too thank
[25:01] you very much thanks mayor Bailey
[25:04] through you Mr chair uh taking a second
[25:08] sober thought here um I'm just thinking
[25:11] that it's not the Optics of me raising
[25:13] money for the school uh when there's a
[25:15] capital campaign right now for the
[25:16] library and a capital campaign that
[25:18] hasn't met its goal for the wilin Center
[25:21] um I'm not sure how the how that would
[25:24] look especially in my own backyard so uh
[25:27] I will help any any way I can but it
[25:29] would have to be on a on a informal
[25:31] basis and in a different way because
[25:33] it's when you have two countywide
[25:37] Capital campaigns under way way I
[25:39] shouldn't be raising money for something
[25:40] different thank
[25:42] you Council Garo then councelor
[25:45] Miller thank you Mr chair uh
[25:48] unfortunately I can't support the
[25:50] recommendation because I think that we
[25:52] do have um processes in place including
[25:55] our grant cycle that's going to reopen
[25:57] and I'm very mindful
[25:59] um that we are a large and diverse
[26:00] Community with a number of Heritage
[26:02] buildings and I worry about the predent
[26:06] that we might set that one can come to
[26:08] council and um more or less work through
[26:13] a different process that is perhaps not
[26:16] um Equitable to those who are watching
[26:18] the timelines and everything and I do
[26:19] recognize there's there's an emergency
[26:21] here and my step kids actually went to
[26:24] this Child Care Program for a number of
[26:26] years when we were in St George so by no
[26:28] means is it a commentary on the program
[26:30] or the people involved but I think we do
[26:32] have processes in the county that we
[26:34] have to follow and um as has been the
[26:37] case with a few things that have come to
[26:38] me in in my w that I've referred over to
[26:40] the grants um that is normally the
[26:42] mechanism we have for that so while I
[26:46] believe in the work that folks are doing
[26:47] in the urgency of the situation I can't
[26:49] support this from a process
[26:51] standpoint counc Miller and councel
[26:55] Bell I guess it depends on when you come
[26:58] and and ask for help for the windows
[26:59] because
[27:01] um um depending on what your table you
[27:05] get different answers because I know St
[27:06] Joe's and Branford came and asked for
[27:09] some help with their Windows which they
[27:11] also badly needed and they were turned
[27:13] down um I I what coun G say is
[27:15] absolutely right we do have a process in
[27:18] place all right for asking for money and
[27:20] and I don't know I I I don't know how
[27:24] someone can just give away
[27:26] 25,000 no matter the cause
[27:28] without at least a little more
[27:30] information about where the money's
[27:31] coming from about their finances and so
[27:35] forth so there's a lot of information
[27:36] even ask
[27:38] Heather she says well we're not sure we
[27:41] have to look into it so we're going to
[27:43] move a motion staff doesn't quite know
[27:46] um I don't think if we wait a week two
[27:48] weeks whatever it's going to make a big
[27:50] big difference I would rather do it
[27:52] properly um than just halfhazard and
[27:54] that motion is halfhazard
[27:56] Council Bell
[27:59] yeah thank you Mr CH uh I too cannot
[28:01] support the motion that's presented this
[28:03] is a project that has got
[28:05] a 25 30 year lifetime uh and we need to
[28:10] think about the better ways of of
[28:13] funding it because I don't believe you
[28:15] should just simply give over $994,000
[28:18] um I would rather translate it into what
[28:21] does it cost me every year and then I
[28:23] would say I'm one am I saving every year
[28:25] by the fact I've got these new windows
[28:27] in and and I think the differential cost
[28:29] might be quite small and there might be
[28:30] other ways of of delivering that that um
[28:34] differential between what you save and
[28:36] what you have to spend on an annual
[28:38] basis so I I'd like to see this come
[28:40] back with a staff report and and we can
[28:43] consider all all aspects of it rather
[28:46] than just giv e jerk
[28:49] $25,000 okay councilman thank you Mr
[28:52] chair
[28:53] and I I would rather see this a deferred
[28:56] for one cycle
[28:58] so we can get the staff report back and
[29:00] get some more information back on
[29:02] financials and a whole lot of other
[29:03] things on this and whatnot so I do
[29:05] remember I think CC Chambers I the last
[29:07] two they're here that when we did sell
[29:09] this building to the county or to the
[29:11] daycare for I think was for a dollar I
[29:14] remember correctly
[29:15] so I
[29:18] support that they need help but I think
[29:20] we need some more information so I'd
[29:22] rather see it deferred for one cycle and
[29:24] come back and do it properly
[29:29] councelor Kyle you're the only one that
[29:30] hasn't chimed in you want to jump in on
[29:32] this or are you good I'm good okay can I
[29:34] ask a question am I allowed to um I'll
[29:39] let it go the main purpose of me here
[29:42] was to get the help from Jasmine for the
[29:44] Heritage it wasn't necessarily to say
[29:46] that I need the money from I needed her
[29:48] help to help me apply for the grants for
[29:50] the Heritage so that's the main purpose
[29:52] of me being here is to apply for that
[29:54] piece
[30:00] sorry right what right which doesn't
[30:03] require Council Direction you've
[30:05] got needed Council direction to do that
[30:08] so
[30:09] that's sorry for clarification for an
[30:12] emergency Heritage Grant yeah direction
[30:14] if we were to go that
[30:17] way but the emergency Heritage Grant
[30:19] would Circle back to us anyway right
[30:23] okay final word council
[30:26] McAlpine so I think the way it's going
[30:29] if we defer it for one cycle for Jasmine
[30:31] to come back to a report with with the
[30:34] staff for
[30:37] appropriate reactions to this I think
[30:39] that would be
[30:40] appropriate so if I made that
[30:42] recommendation that we defer it then for
[30:44] one ccle okay so you're you're you're
[30:49] amending your first getting ready your
[30:50] first motion and now you're your motion
[30:52] for a deferral for one cycle to allow
[30:54] staff to
[30:55] understand where the money would come
[30:57] from and
[30:58] emergency yeah that would be
[31:02] appropriate right we've already got it
[31:04] approve yes we'll have to defer over
[31:07] right I think we defer
[31:10] it deferred for one
[31:14] Cycle councelor house councelor Chambers
[31:17] I thank I thank you Mr chair I think I'm
[31:21] following what's going on but where I'm
[31:24] I'm a little I've been on the Heritage
[31:26] advisory committee for seven or eight
[31:28] years
[31:30] and the Heritage advisory committee
[31:34] itself doesn't have any
[31:37] funding right it come back to us so so
[31:40] it Al I'm I'm not sure I understand what
[31:44] the benefit would be of of going through
[31:50] Heritage committee's blessing on making
[31:53] modifications to a designated Heritage
[31:56] building but I I I'm not aware of there
[31:59] being a a uh a fund of
[32:04] money that's any different than than the
[32:08] emergency Grant conversation that we're
[32:11] having right now so if staff could maybe
[32:13] clarify that
[32:18] please three you Mr chair um that's
[32:21] correct this is not it it's all coming
[32:24] from the county so there isn't a
[32:26] specific fund for for herit grants
[32:29] through the
[32:32] committee through the chair to counselor
[32:34] house for clarification because it is a
[32:37] designated and listed building with a
[32:39] bylaw um Heritage the Heritage committee
[32:42] per our planning policy needs to make
[32:45] determinations on it so that's where the
[32:46] Heritage component fits within it so the
[32:51] the grant stream as we are discussing um
[32:56] is separate to what I would be bringing
[32:58] to the Heritage committee which would be
[33:00] decisions on going forward with
[33:03] modifications to a designated
[33:05] structure which makes sense because this
[33:07] doesn't
[33:10] Okay council
[33:12] chambers thank you Mr uh chairman
[33:15] wouldn't it make a lot of sense is to
[33:17] withdraw the motion which en covers the
[33:18] whole process and just move a motion uh
[33:23] requesting a staff uh report on the
[33:26] issue be presented at their next meeting
[33:29] and then all the information all the
[33:31] requests can be Consolidated into
[33:33] something and then we can deal with
[33:35] it but to defer the motion which we've
[33:38] already heard is not going to uh work
[33:43] because the mayor is unwilling to carry
[33:45] out what the motion says and now let's
[33:47] just withdraw the motion which either
[33:50] that or defeat the motion and ask the
[33:53] staff to bring a report at our next
[33:55] meeting then we're not deferring
[33:56] anything we're just moving forward and
[33:58] getting the problem solved as fast as we
[34:01] can Council
[34:03] mine I'd be okay with that okay second's
[34:07] good to withdraw second sorry okay
[34:12] so the Motions been
[34:14] withdrawed councilor
[34:17] Chambers I will move that the report the
[34:20] delegation uh be received and request a
[34:23] report from staff to be presented on
[34:25] resolving the issue at our next meeting
[34:28] there Bailey seconds that so everybody
[34:31] understands where we're going here
[34:33] correct
[34:36] questions all in
[34:38] favor opposed that is
[34:42] carried okay thank you I think in a
[34:44] roundabout way we're going to get where
[34:45] where we want to go here
[34:50] so okay moving on to section five
[34:53] adoption of the minutes from the
[34:54] previous minute can I get a mover
[34:56] Council Oakley
[34:58] second councelor Kyle questions on the
[35:02] minutes seeing none all in
[35:05] favor opposed that is carried any
[35:09] business arising from those
[35:12] minutes councilor
[35:14] Miller thank you Mr chair and from a
[35:18] question I asked about Cleaver R Cleaver
[35:20] Road Bridge um we were looking that have
[35:22] been public
[35:23] engagement uh this quarter um at least
[35:27] and that's what I tell people told a lot
[35:30] of people I haven't heard anything do we
[35:31] have an update on
[35:35] that Mr Walton in the back you able to
[35:38] come forward
[36:06] Miller which thank you which is fine
[36:09] it's just I last time I was told this
[36:11] quarter so that's what I tell people so
[36:14] I don't care when sooner is better than
[36:16] later but if it's it's first quarter
[36:18] 2025 can I tell people that when they
[36:20] call me and ask me which they are
[36:22] calling me and asking
[36:24] me okay
[36:33] yeah okay thank you anything else
[36:37] business arising from those
[36:39] minutes okay seeing none uh moving on
[36:42] consent items to be approved we've got
[36:44] we got a few of them in here um so we'll
[36:47] go 7.1.1 rp-0 49424 Source water
[36:52] protection plan can I get a
[36:55] mover councelor Coleman councelor Bell
[36:58] questions councilor
[37:00] Miller thank you Mr chair
[37:03] um the area that branford's uh this is
[37:08] applied to I I tried to find that not in
[37:10] the report I went to the supplements I
[37:13] think it's in the Oak Park area but I
[37:14] don't yeah I suspect so but um I wonder
[37:18] if the author could uh Enlighten us on
[37:20] this and then one other question
[37:23] Mr through you chair uh the intake
[37:27] protections zone two in the county of
[37:28] brand is the Oak Park area and also
[37:31] along the r River here in
[37:33] Paris okay um question maybe more
[37:37] generally
[37:38] um we have Source water protection and
[37:42] and I know how we deal it with it when
[37:43] it's within our own municipality when
[37:45] it's in another municipality in this
[37:47] case Branford for us um and they have a
[37:51] a planing application and they're
[37:52] putting up whatever they put up a gas
[37:55] station a new industry
[37:57] what's the process for us giving input
[37:59] on that to make sure that it's not that
[38:03] the site plan is is doing what or is
[38:06] written up the way it should be written
[38:07] up do we do we give input on that what's
[38:10] the process for
[38:11] that through you chair to councelor
[38:14] Miller um so properties within the
[38:16] county of Brant will be managed through
[38:18] the County's development application
[38:20] process um although we are supporting
[38:23] the um city of branford's Source water
[38:28] protection updates the policies that our
[38:30] properties will be applied to are the
[38:32] policies that we have for the county of
[38:34] BR Source protection plan which we
[38:36] approved in the September uh
[38:39] anal Miller I appreciate the answer but
[38:43] it wasn't the answer I was looking for
[38:46] um when another municipality Branford
[38:50] has a a planning application come
[38:53] forward and it's in our source water
[38:55] protection area what what input how do
[38:59] we give input on that
[39:02] process it's not in the it's it's in
[39:04] another M Val but it's our water intakes
[39:08] over and I could take that in a Friday
[39:10] file if you don't know the answer so I
[39:13] think I'm slightly um I'm not
[39:16] understanding the question uh the county
[39:18] of Brandt wellheads around our Municipal
[39:22] Water don't extend into the city of
[39:24] Branford they don't no so the city of
[39:27] brantford's intake protection Zone
[39:29] because it's a surface water intake
[39:32] extends into the county of brand because
[39:34] of the travel time for the water to get
[39:37] down there so there are situations where
[39:40] our land applications could have a
[39:43] negative impact on the city of
[39:45] branford's intake but we manage that
[39:48] through our
[39:50] policies so reversing that do they do
[39:53] they give input then when we build in
[39:56] their intake
[40:03] through you chair um they endorse our
[40:07] source water protection plan so um we
[40:10] came to admin and Ops in September and
[40:13] our changes to our source water
[40:15] protection policies are out for
[40:17] pre-consultation which includes other
[40:19] municipalities that are affected by
[40:21] those policy changes to have an
[40:23] opportunity to speak to it so they have
[40:26] endorsed our
[40:27] changes okay I gotta leave it that thank
[40:31] you any other
[40:35] questions okay so it's moved and
[40:37] seconded all those in
[40:39] favor opposed that is carried uh 7.1.2
[40:44] which is rpt 0105 d24 uh design Supply
[40:48] delivery installation construction of
[40:50] the MBR system for St George can I get a
[40:52] mover mayor Bailey Council
[40:55] McAlpine questions on
[40:58] that councelor Miller then uh councelor
[41:01] Bell then councelor Miller couple
[41:03] questions um this is coming in almost to
[41:05] the penny 20% over the engineers
[41:08] estimate um can I get a reason as to why
[41:28] to the chair to councelor Miller we did
[41:31] ask our uh Consultants to review in
[41:33] detail and we think that the scope crept
[41:36] a little bit it includes some some
[41:38] different technical technical aspects of
[41:40] that have to tie into the rest of the
[41:42] design so they reviewed the design as it
[41:45] yeah it does make sense along with the
[41:47] market conditions that we know have
[41:49] increased prices in the last few years
[41:52] okay so Mission creep I guess um and and
[41:56] okay maybe the engine Engineers report
[41:57] was a little conservative um you had one
[42:00] bid um now if I go online I look um this
[42:05] MBR technology it is offered by I seen
[42:09] at least several
[42:11] dozen um vendors when you're putting
[42:15] something like that it's do you treat
[42:17] this just like a grass tender in other
[42:19] words you put it up on the site call it
[42:20] a day and whoever bids bids or do you
[42:23] actively go out and seek maybe uh
[42:25] vendors for this technology say hey
[42:28] we're putting this bid out um are you
[42:30] interested in bidding in other words are
[42:32] you doing everything you can to get
[42:34] vendors to bid or you just standard this
[42:38] is what we do call the day through the
[42:40] chair we did have some dialogue with two
[42:42] different vendors who do some work in
[42:44] this area uh most of the the MBR work in
[42:47] Ontario does seem to be offered by
[42:50] violia um but yeah we wanted to promote
[42:53] and encourage uh a better competitive
[42:56] market so we did have some dialog with
[42:58] with another vendor who does work in
[42:59] this area but unfortunately they they
[43:02] didn't submit a bid and we we don't yet
[43:04] know why okay good answer thank you
[43:08] councel Bell yeah thank you Mr chair the
[43:10] same question as Council Miller but I'm
[43:13] a little disappointed we ended up with
[43:15] only one uh one bidder question would
[43:19] use the same technology when we expand
[43:21] the Paris Water Treatment Plant we are
[43:24] looking very seriously at MBR we think
[43:26] it fits very well well with the the
[43:28] Paris expansion it's a serious Contender
[43:30] for the technology y thank you any other
[43:36] questions seeing none all in
[43:39] favor opposed that is
[43:42] carried uh 7.1.3 rp-0
[43:46] 52-24 disposition of surplus lands can I
[43:49] get a
[43:50] mover house councelor
[43:52] Coleman questions councelor Miller think
[43:56] you chair um it doesn't say in the
[43:59] report and that's why I'm asking the
[44:00] question so um What Becomes of the
[44:03] proceeds um do they go into the
[44:06] affordable housing Reserve because this
[44:07] is declared Surplus Lanes or does it go
[44:10] into offsetting the cost of the road
[44:17] project we're g to get that answer
[44:27] through you Mr chair as per the
[44:30] resolution that was passed by Council a
[44:32] portion I think 25% does go into the
[44:34] affordable housing reserve and then the
[44:36] rest will go back to the property
[44:39] Reserve okay thank you
[44:41] H any other
[44:45] questions seeing none I do have a quick
[44:48] one for clarification can somebody
[44:50] explain how County owned land becomes
[44:54] Surplus um is it first of of all does it
[44:57] go to potentially the the joining land
[45:00] owners for first dibs on it um can land
[45:03] owners request County owned land for
[45:06] purchase to be
[45:10] Surplus three you Mr chair um so
[45:13] typically
[45:14] a a parcel like this would be taken
[45:17] through um the senior management team
[45:20] and if there's no uh deemed purpose for
[45:23] operational um or capital projects then
[45:26] um a report would come forward to deem
[45:28] the deem the land Surplus um I don't
[45:31] know if Mr Walton has anything to add
[45:33] but typically that would be our process
[45:36] um again for it to go through all of
[45:38] Senior Management and make sure there
[45:39] are no operational operational or
[45:42] Capital requirements for the
[45:44] land okay if I could just uh expand on
[45:47] that a little bit so the not this
[45:49] particular property but what if there
[45:51] was a property out there that was um
[45:54] County owned um would somebody be able
[45:58] to approach the county to suggest
[46:00] purchase of that
[46:04] property through you Mr chair um we do
[46:08] occasionally it doesn't happen very
[46:09] often but we can um we do get
[46:12] unsolicited um request to purchase and
[46:15] again that would um come through a staff
[46:16] report to councel if it was an
[46:18] unsolicited um request to purchase and
[46:21] who might one have to contact in order
[46:23] to do that unsolicited
[46:27] through you Mr chair um it can go
[46:29] through any number of methods typically
[46:31] the staff person they've been dealing
[46:32] with or they come directly to me and I
[46:34] distribute staff okay thank
[46:38] you
[46:40] okay no other questions on that one oh
[46:43] mayor Bailey through you um Mr chair to
[46:47] staff would neighbors of that excess Pro
[46:50] have first refusal on it would we bring
[46:53] in a third person if we didn't need to
[46:58] through you Mr chair um we don't have a
[47:00] policy for first R ref first R refusal
[47:03] um but certainly adjacent land owners
[47:06] would be aware that it was being
[47:08] surplused or would they just be aware
[47:10] that it sold to someone
[47:14] else you Mr chair it would go through a
[47:16] public process so they would have the
[47:18] same opportunity as anyone else um if
[47:21] they would like to but we don't have a
[47:22] policy for first spr of refusal on
[47:25] it maybe we should
[47:27] thank
[47:29] you okay seeing no other questions all
[47:32] those in
[47:34] favor opposed that is
[47:37] carried uh 7.1.4 which is rp-0 21424
[47:42] entrance bylaw repeal and replace I'm
[47:45] going to move
[47:47] her councelor Oakley councelor Kyle
[47:51] questions councelor Miller your day um
[47:56] there there's a there's a a variety of
[47:57] reasons uh somebody needs a permit uh an
[48:01] entranceway permit whether it's a new
[48:02] permit or they're doing
[48:05] changes like Paving but also included in
[48:08] there is repave I was kind of surprised
[48:10] at that why is repave need a
[48:15] permit through the chair um some minp
[48:19] polities we we've researched all of
[48:21] these things and some municipalities
[48:23] have it some don't why we have it and
[48:26] why it works for the County of Brandt is
[48:28] we are able to you've seen a lot in the
[48:30] news where uh residents get ripped off
[48:33] by unscrupulous ashall companies this
[48:37] way we are kind of protecting our
[48:39] residents by knowing what's being done
[48:42] and who's in town working and then also
[48:46] uh when repaving takes place uh we want
[48:50] to know what's taken place because
[48:51] sometimes people take it upon themselves
[48:53] to start widening their driveways
[48:56] without going through the application
[48:57] process so it's a small fee staff do the
[49:00] followup and then staff also uh are
[49:03] monitoring who's in town working and
[49:05] who's
[49:08] not okay fair enough um is it the same
[49:11] fee as if I'm putting in a brand
[49:15] new uh through the uh chair no I do not
[49:19] believe it is it's it's it's a much
[49:20] smaller fee it's that fee for repaving
[49:23] we have not uh increased it many many
[49:27] years um it's a placeholder and it's
[49:29] just to cover our administrative
[49:32] costs and then the last question I have
[49:35] I don't know if you can answer maybe um
[49:38] I'm reading the reading the
[49:40] bylaw and it talks about uh granny Suite
[49:43] so granny Suites uh they can have their
[49:46] own entrance which is fine arus I I'm
[49:49] was surprised the arus are not in this
[49:52] policy now I read the next report
[49:53] they're in there um I'm just wondering
[49:55] if arus
[49:57] shouldn't be also mentioned in that that
[50:00] arus cannot have their own entrance
[50:03] that's just I don't know
[50:06] if if the author has any thoughts on
[50:10] that uh through the chair uh we did have
[50:14] um discussions about that and we were
[50:16] trying to make the aru kind of a
[50:18] standalone policy um but uh we can take
[50:21] it back for future considerations if
[50:23] there's updates done in the in the
[50:25] future just a thought again
[50:27] because I'm looking for theu and I
[50:29] didn't see it in there so but okay I'll
[50:31] leave it at that thank you councel
[50:34] house thank you Mr J this uh this is a
[50:37] comment rather than a question is that
[50:39] all right okay and not specific to Greg
[50:42] actually but but more to sta in general
[50:45] the this report included a copy of
[50:49] Brandon Court's uh report from January
[50:53] 2023 which is almost two years ago um um
[50:57] about residential parking and and it
[51:01] prompted me to be thinking about some of
[51:02] the recent conversations that we've been
[51:04] having at Council and illustrations that
[51:07] councelor Bell provided about long
[51:09] vehicles on short driveways and and I
[51:12] was reading through this that that
[51:14] report from two years ago and and I
[51:16] think it references a a minimum 19 foot
[51:20] driveway
[51:22] recommendation and then I Pard me did a
[51:25] quick Google on how long is a for def
[51:28] 150 or a Dodge Ram King Cab and you know
[51:32] they're they're more than 21 feet long
[51:34] and and I I and the other thing
[51:37] that was jumped out at me in in that
[51:39] older report was it references the fact
[51:43] that um there's a Bo there's at least a
[51:46] fiveyear lag between policies that we
[51:50] make and when they actually impact the
[51:53] way houses are built in this community
[51:57] and I and I I just my comment is related
[52:01] to all of that I sincerely hope that we
[52:05] are uh initiating some new uh new
[52:10] policies and and new new ways of looking
[52:12] at how long driveways and their
[52:16] entrances need to be uh for future
[52:20] residential dwellings in this community
[52:22] just a
[52:23] comment thank you for that
[52:26] any other questions
[52:29] comments seeing none all in
[52:32] favor opposed that is
[52:35] carried uh moving on to 7.1.5 rp-0 39824
[52:41] operations policy
[52:43] serving additional AR arus
[52:47] mover council chambers councel Coleman
[52:51] questions council chambers just not a
[52:54] question Mr chairman but a comment and
[52:56] uh it's something that I think uh all of
[53:00] our policies should give consideration
[53:02] to and that's the wording in the
[53:05] policy uh the policy itself seems pretty
[53:08] strict uh
[53:11] one uh the wording that I like is the
[53:14] general manager of operations May
[53:16] provide approval of additional Services
[53:19] per property when adequate justification
[53:21] is provided that means that not
[53:25] everything fits into the same glove
[53:27] there are certain circumstances that may
[53:30] uh require common sense to be used when
[53:32] the policy is being uh put forward and
[53:36] this gives a it's a notwithstanding
[53:38] clause or a loophole uh it gives the
[53:41] general manager uh the authority to use
[53:44] his common sense if justification uh is
[53:49] uh given and it makes sense to have uh
[53:53] go outside of the policy that particular
[53:56] phrase
[53:57] should be in all our
[54:01] policies counc
[54:03] Miller that a
[54:05] motion
[54:07] um the um the policy is saying one
[54:10] hookup for waterways water fair enough
[54:15] um the policy is silent when it's
[54:18] private
[54:19] Services should we be putting anything
[54:21] in there or should we just leave well
[54:23] enough alone and let him decide on a
[54:26] case by case
[54:31] basis oh I think
[54:34] yeah Rob would like to answer
[54:39] this the chair to councelor Miller the
[54:43] issue of private Services would be dealt
[54:44] with through the building code and any
[54:46] issues they had to deal with is
[54:47] approving that under the building code
[54:49] so it is Municipal approval but it's
[54:51] already sort of taken care
[54:53] of Miller just just a follow in
[54:57] I I need you to explain to me how this
[54:59] quite works so um somebody on private
[55:01] Services puts in an
[55:03] aru um when they're looking to site
[55:07] something they they have to um they have
[55:10] to identify where the neighbors Wells
[55:12] are and they're septic and all that
[55:14] correct am I correct on
[55:17] not in other words we're not just
[55:18] looking at their property we got
[55:20] a through the chair to um Council Miller
[55:23] depends on what they're doing if if
[55:25] there if there are building a new septic
[55:27] system yes they do have to identify
[55:29] those things and make sure they have the
[55:30] side packs if they don't have to do
[55:32] anything then then they wouldn't have to
[55:33] do that um so it'll come up through the
[55:36] the the review required on the building
[55:38] code of of what's there as whether or
[55:40] not they have to improve it or not and
[55:42] then and then the other things will
[55:43] follow as per the legislation okay so
[55:46] nothing in the policy which like I say
[55:47] is fine but we it if problems arise it
[55:50] dealt with through the build that's what
[55:51] I need to know okay thank
[55:53] you anybody else
[55:57] seeing none all in
[55:58] favor opposed that is
[56:01] carried uh moving on to 7.1.6 rpt 0492
[56:06] d24 traffic modifications G I get a
[56:08] mover councelor Coleman councel Bell
[56:11] questions counc beld and councel
[56:14] Oakley yeah thank you Mr chair um with
[56:17] respect to the second item which is
[56:19] William Street at West River Street um
[56:22] of course West River Street is getting
[56:23] torn up at the moment but I get um about
[56:26] an email a week um from residents
[56:30] complaining about the that Junction and
[56:34] 90% of the people that write to me say
[56:35] can we make that a four-way stop because
[56:38] that will slow people down on what is
[56:40] becoming a bit of a Rat Run uh in town
[56:45] it's been get more so when we tear up uh
[56:48] Grand River Street there'll be more
[56:49] traffic going that way I think we need
[56:51] to be thoughtful about how we control
[56:53] traffic I've said this before uh and and
[56:56] I think we've made the promise to our
[56:57] residents that we will put extra
[57:00] controls in and this would be one of the
[57:01] extra controls so rather than just
[57:03] having a another East West uh stop sign
[57:07] I'd put in north south north south stop
[57:09] signs as well and I'd be prepared to
[57:11] make a motion to that effect come the
[57:19] time other questions to that oh sorry
[57:22] counc Oley
[57:23] yes um through you to Greg um in regards
[57:27] to the first item am I understanding
[57:29] correctly that this was essentially turn
[57:31] that into an Allway stop there in that
[57:36] intersection yes to the chair sorry uh
[57:38] you're talking about the Joseph Brandt
[57:40] yes yes that that's correct that's uh um
[57:44] was brought to our attention and um it's
[57:48] not a non-typical intersection as you
[57:50] can see by the diagram it almost looked
[57:52] like a connecting lane or link and for
[57:55] many years it did not have a uh stop
[57:58] control there so um it was deficient so
[58:01] that's that's completing the
[58:02] intersection there it will be new but we
[58:05] uh we'll we'll post it so everyone's
[58:07] aware perfect thank you very
[58:10] much other questions to that Circle back
[58:13] to council Bell so uh Mr chair I would
[58:16] like to make a amendment to this
[58:18] recommendation that we make the William
[58:20] Street at West River Street Council Bell
[58:22] sorry I'm going to interrupt you for one
[58:23] second this is just for option for
[58:25] number two right number two okay can I
[58:27] what I'm going to do then is can we pull
[58:29] are you in favor to pull number two
[58:31] we'll get rid of the rest and we'll
[58:32] Circle back to it yep okay so we're
[58:34] going to pull number two which is
[58:36] William Street and West River Street so
[58:37] we're just going to right now uh vote on
[58:40] the approval of number one and number
[58:42] three which is Joseph Branch Street and
[58:44] wh Swan Road okay everybody's clear on
[58:46] that okay so all in favor of one and
[58:50] three opposed okay one and three are
[58:53] carried councelor Bell back to you for
[58:54] number two yeah thank you so I would
[58:56] like to make Amendment to the
[58:59] recommendation has presented rather than
[59:01] being a two-way stop I think I would
[59:04] prefer to see it as a four-way stop in
[59:07] response to the many requests from
[59:09] residents and in the light and in
[59:12] anticipation of the work we're going to
[59:14] do on Grand River Street South uh which
[59:18] will lead to much more traffic on this
[59:20] road and the need for more traffic
[59:22] control I look for somebody to Second
[59:25] mayor Bailey is your second
[59:26] thank you questions on that councelor
[59:28] house then councel Chambers and councel
[59:30] Oakley uh thanks Mr chair through you I
[59:33] guess a couple of questions one to
[59:34] councilor Bell one to Greg uh I'm I'm
[59:38] wondering whether this is intended as a
[59:41] temporary measure during The Big Dig or
[59:43] whether it's it's forever and then I'm
[59:46] also interested in Greg's
[59:48] opinion um and I'm and I'm very
[59:51] respectful of of the fact that it will
[59:54] be uh that it has been been a a rat run
[59:57] and I love it when you say that um but
[1:00:00] the the
[1:00:02] uh there that means there'll there'll
[1:00:07] be multiple stop signs on West River
[1:00:11] Street from its Southmost Point down by
[1:00:15] Lions Park all the way up to the old
[1:00:18] penman's building and I'm I'm just
[1:00:20] wondering Greg's opinion from his
[1:00:24] expertise on on that many stop signs in
[1:00:28] that space thanks
[1:00:32] Greg yes through the chair um we can
[1:00:36] definitely carry out whatever Council uh
[1:00:38] wishes I'd like to see that right off
[1:00:41] the Hop uh we have looked at this
[1:00:42] intersection many times and looked at
[1:00:44] the warrants the warrants aren't there
[1:00:47] um because you're looking at
[1:00:48] intersecting traffic flows uh stop signs
[1:00:51] do not work as traffic calming um we'll
[1:00:55] put in a stop sign there and then the
[1:00:57] same residents are going to call us and
[1:00:58] tell us that people aren't stopping at
[1:01:00] the stop sign because there's not enough
[1:01:02] traffic queuing on those side roads to
[1:01:05] indicate for people to stop busy
[1:01:08] intersections require four-way stops and
[1:01:11] the indicator to stop is because as you
[1:01:13] approach it you see cars there when you
[1:01:15] start seeing intersections where
[1:01:17] typically you're using every day and you
[1:01:19] don't see a lot of traffic there people
[1:01:21] don't stop I think the county um we've
[1:01:25] we've depleted the brand safe Street's
[1:01:27] budget year after year since it's been
[1:01:29] provided by Council I think um in this
[1:01:32] scenario that we we uh Implement more
[1:01:35] traffic calming in the area if if it's
[1:01:37] traffic calming that uh is the desired
[1:01:40] effect which I I believe it is but um
[1:01:43] that's my only concern about putting in
[1:01:45] stop signs where they're not warranted
[1:01:47] they lead to other
[1:01:51] issues council
[1:01:53] chambers just uh know disagree maybe
[1:01:57] that four-way stop would be good but I'm
[1:01:59] not the expert and we have invested a
[1:02:02] lot of money in Branch Safe Streets that
[1:02:04] look at these intersections and look at
[1:02:06] every intersection and uh use uh science
[1:02:11] if you want rather than
[1:02:13] political uh um Direction so I'm not
[1:02:17] going to support the recommendation I'm
[1:02:18] going to I'm not going to support the
[1:02:21] resolution I am going to support the
[1:02:23] brand safe Street's recommendation
[1:02:26] uh I have been asked many many times for
[1:02:29] four-way stops in the village of
[1:02:31] Scotland berford and everywhere else for
[1:02:34] that matter and I've always relied on
[1:02:36] the experts to tell me whether they're
[1:02:37] warranted or not and in this case we've
[1:02:41] just heard that a forway stop is not
[1:02:43] warranted so if it is not warranted then
[1:02:46] I'm not going to support
[1:02:48] it councel O then councelor Bell um
[1:02:52] through you Mr chair um councelor house
[1:02:54] and counc Lely said what I wanted to say
[1:02:57] but I'll just also add on there that um
[1:03:00] you know I think the bran Safe Streets
[1:03:02] is is the way to take this and I think
[1:03:04] if we're constantly running out of our
[1:03:05] budget each year and one of the things I
[1:03:06] hear constantly about that program is um
[1:03:09] that people want to see more out of it
[1:03:10] perhaps that means that budget or that
[1:03:12] program needs a bit more budget to it
[1:03:15] so counc Bill yeah uh thank you I have
[1:03:18] two comments um one is that may not be
[1:03:23] warranted today but the minute we start
[1:03:26] diverting traffic off West River off
[1:03:28] Grand River Street we're going to change
[1:03:31] the traffic volumes considerably so you
[1:03:35] recognizing exactly what council of
[1:03:37] chamber says I'd appreciate that if we
[1:03:39] could run the calculations on the basis
[1:03:41] that traffic that normally goes through
[1:03:43] Grand River Street is going through West
[1:03:45] River Street and see whether it's still
[1:03:46] warranted or not but even beyond that I
[1:03:49] think we've made a commitment to our
[1:03:52] residents of West River Street that we
[1:03:54] will control that traffic
[1:03:56] During the period at least when we're
[1:03:58] digging up the road and I think what H
[1:04:00] what will happen is that people will
[1:04:02] actually become quite comfortable with
[1:04:04] that by bypass and it becomes actually
[1:04:08] not the the bypass but it becomes the
[1:04:11] road so second second point the we just
[1:04:15] three minutes ago approved a junction of
[1:04:20] Joseph Brown Street M Holland Street I
[1:04:23] cannot believe because I walk that way
[1:04:25] every day
[1:04:26] that that would warrant and always stop
[1:04:29] and across there would not I I I'm
[1:04:32] completely lost in terms of the
[1:04:36] justification through the chair I can uh
[1:04:39] I can explain that so if you look at the
[1:04:41] diagram there's only one stop sign at
[1:04:44] that location so everyone has free
[1:04:46] movement there there's not there's not a
[1:04:49] control so people can legally turn into
[1:04:52] someone's
[1:04:53] path where the others section you have a
[1:04:56] two-way stop the One Stop was missing so
[1:05:00] that's why we're putting it in there
[1:05:01] it's a cleanup it's the same scenario so
[1:05:04] you now have the intersecting roads you
[1:05:06] have a stop on both sides and you have
[1:05:08] free flow here you only have one one
[1:05:11] stop sign and there's three entrances to
[1:05:14] this intersection so that's that's the
[1:05:17] issue there's stop controls
[1:05:19] missing it defies Common Sense Greg
[1:05:22] sorry I Walk This Road almost every day
[1:05:26] I see virtually no traffic Lucas lives
[1:05:28] on the corner he probably can testify to
[1:05:30] the volumes of traffic contrast that
[1:05:33] with West River Street there's a just a
[1:05:35] two three orders of magnitude difference
[1:05:38] and if you look at West River Street now
[1:05:41] people come down
[1:05:42] from the the railway line and they're
[1:05:45] actually coming down a hill at that
[1:05:46] point so there's a double issue there
[1:05:49] people are actually speeding up as you
[1:05:51] go down that hill so I I accept that it
[1:05:54] may not be technically warranted but
[1:05:56] Common Sense should Prevail in this case
[1:05:59] and I I will keep my motion on the
[1:06:03] floor any other
[1:06:08] questions Okay so we've got a motion on
[1:06:10] the floor seconded to make that a
[1:06:13] four-way stop at West River and William
[1:06:17] no more further questions all in favor
[1:06:19] of the motion
[1:06:30] opposed guess that's
[1:06:33] a motion is carried six to
[1:06:39] five councilor
[1:06:42] Chambers would it be in order for me to
[1:06:44] uh move that a four-way stop be placed
[1:06:48] at intersection in Scotland which has
[1:06:50] been requested many times but turned
[1:06:52] down because it has not been warranted
[1:06:54] would you entertain a at this time to do
[1:06:57] that there's also a situation in bford
[1:07:00] that has not been warranted but has been
[1:07:02] requested by me many times for it to be
[1:07:04] a four-way stop my point is are we now
[1:07:07] going to uh move into the realm of
[1:07:11] wherever what is brought to us we ignore
[1:07:14] Safe Streets that we've invested all
[1:07:16] kinds of money in and uh rely on Experts
[1:07:19] to inform us uh now we're going to go
[1:07:23] with what we think we call Common Sense
[1:07:26] be prepared for a few motions to come
[1:07:28] forward at our next meeting for four-way
[1:07:30] stops in various situations throughout
[1:07:31] the
[1:07:32] county I I think I appreciate what
[1:07:35] you're saying councilor Chambers but I
[1:07:36] think also with this one here there's
[1:07:37] the addition of the fact that we did say
[1:07:40] when Grand River Street is closed all
[1:07:42] the traffic is going to reroute that way
[1:07:44] and I think this is a preemptive
[1:07:45] medicine for that and uh if you want to
[1:07:48] bring your motions you're totally free
[1:07:50] to bring your motions so by understand
[1:07:52] this is a temporary four-way stop while
[1:07:54] the Dig is being done no so it's a
[1:07:57] permanent forway
[1:08:00] stop okay moving on uh
[1:08:04] 7.1.7 uh rpt 0521 d24 2025 fees and
[1:08:09] charges can I get a
[1:08:12] move councilor McAlpine councelor Kyle
[1:08:17] questions councelor Miller the fees
[1:08:20] themselves um a lot of them are cost
[1:08:24] recovery some we try and U promote or
[1:08:28] discourage a certain
[1:08:30] Behavior other times we're looking at
[1:08:32] and we take into consideration what
[1:08:34] other municipalities are charging
[1:08:37] especially around facilities um when
[1:08:40] we're trying to promote an
[1:08:42] activity um one of the things I think
[1:08:44] about is uh maybe
[1:08:47] recycling was there any thoughts given
[1:08:49] to not raising the blue box
[1:08:54] price who can comment on
[1:09:11] that Andrew yep through you chair um
[1:09:14] with the blue box transition and the
[1:09:16] changes to the regulations the support
[1:09:19] and distribution of blue boxes is going
[1:09:22] to be done through the province in SEO
[1:09:25] um
[1:09:25] I understand what you're saying and we
[1:09:27] can take that back uh the idea is um
[1:09:30] over the short term to continue making
[1:09:32] it easy for residents to move through
[1:09:34] the transition um and figuring out how
[1:09:37] best to do that moving forward counc
[1:09:40] Miller that follow up with Andrew and
[1:09:42] then one more question um just uh so so
[1:09:44] so along those lines um did uh I could
[1:09:47] have asked the same thing about
[1:09:48] composters um again raise the fees we're
[1:09:52] trying to save that landfill as best we
[1:09:54] can um did you have input Andre into
[1:09:57] those fees and and like you say did you
[1:10:00] look at them think well are they the
[1:10:03] best idea y through you chair we were uh
[1:10:06] it's not a money making on these it's
[1:10:07] just Cost recovery so I mean again we
[1:10:10] could look at lowering those fees to
[1:10:12] encourage it um to encourage the use um
[1:10:15] then we would have to find a way to
[1:10:17] subsidize yeah it would be part of a
[1:10:19] larger strategy but like I said I don't
[1:10:21] I just it just I was looking
[1:10:24] at it says in the report you try and
[1:10:26] encourage certain behavior and
[1:10:28] discourage others so and then the second
[1:10:30] question um again cost
[1:10:32] recovery and I I'll just pull one out um
[1:10:37] I was asked about it specifically and
[1:10:38] that say uh for a liquor license permit
[1:10:42] uh we're going from 142 plus
[1:10:45] 149 something like that an agency letter
[1:10:47] for liquor license what would that
[1:10:50] entail as far staff time that it needs
[1:10:52] to be charged
[1:10:53] $149 is St able to answer that very
[1:10:56] specific question or not
[1:11:01] today and there's about 50 others I
[1:11:04] could pull out and say what how much
[1:11:05] staff time does it take to do that so
[1:11:09] I'm sorry are we talking the liquor
[1:11:11] license yeah uh page 152 of our report
[1:11:14] so it's it's not just the letter it's
[1:11:16] the letter plus uh building and fire
[1:11:19] both do a an inspection so it's two
[1:11:22] inspections plus the municipal letter um
[1:11:25] that go into that
[1:11:26] fee okay so I suspect they don't go out
[1:11:30] to the same building time after time if
[1:11:33] it's a same facility asking for the
[1:11:35] license it's only when they're doing a
[1:11:37] permanent license so like um like
[1:11:39] temporary licenses temporary Le license
[1:11:41] or like one-time event licenses don't
[1:11:44] have that fee it's just when they need
[1:11:46] an actual letter from municipality that
[1:11:48] says fire signed off um the Count's okay
[1:11:52] with it and and building that's when we
[1:11:54] we charge that and it's mostly the
[1:11:56] inspection fees okay thank
[1:12:00] you any other questions on that
[1:12:04] report seeing none all in
[1:12:08] favor opposed that is
[1:12:11] carried uh 7.1.0 rpt 0345 d24 contract
[1:12:17] extension for water and wastewater
[1:12:18] Billing Services can I get a mover mayor
[1:12:20] Bailey
[1:12:22] seconder councelor Kyle questions
[1:12:29] seeing none all in
[1:12:31] favor opposed that is
[1:12:36] carried uh final one
[1:12:38] rp-50 3-24 the 2025 Paramedic Services
[1:12:42] budget can I get a mover councelor
[1:12:45] Coleman councel Oakley questions Council
[1:12:49] B yeah thank you Mr chair first of all a
[1:12:52] comment um we're seeing
[1:12:56] 18.6% change in in the budget from last
[1:13:00] year a lot of that's driven by
[1:13:03] additional ambulance and I noticed in
[1:13:06] the capital forecast every couple of
[1:13:09] years we're going to add an ambulance
[1:13:11] but it's not just adding an ambulance
[1:13:13] it's adding the crew that goes with the
[1:13:15] amb ambulance so can we anticipate that
[1:13:18] we will see
[1:13:20] significant uh percentage increases in
[1:13:22] in budget every second year from now on
[1:13:26] um it's it's not necessarily when you
[1:13:28] replace an ambulance you add staff as
[1:13:30] well is there's an additional ambulance
[1:13:32] coming on board then then then these are
[1:13:35] additional these are additional every
[1:13:36] two years is's an additional ambulance
[1:13:39] coming there's Replacements and there's
[1:13:41] additionals these are additionals okay
[1:13:47] Cindy uh through the
[1:13:50] chair um so the I guess the ambulance
[1:13:54] strategic action plan that was done back
[1:13:56] in 2016 did
[1:13:58] recommend based on forecasting of um
[1:14:02] call projections that a 12-hour
[1:14:05] ambulance be placed on every two years
[1:14:08] um so that is what is Cap uh a new study
[1:14:14] um because that study has sort of now
[1:14:18] expired and um conditions have changed
[1:14:21] um so whatever comes back from that will
[1:14:25] probably adjust the future Capital
[1:14:28] forecast and um what our sort of
[1:14:32] capacity and resource requirements will
[1:14:34] be for the next five to 10
[1:14:37] years thank you but to be clear Cindy
[1:14:40] when we get a new
[1:14:41] ambulance what's the what is the crew
[1:14:44] implication of that how many people do
[1:14:46] we need additionally to crew another
[1:14:50] ambulance uh through the chair so for
[1:14:53] for 2025 with the 12 hour our ambulance
[1:14:56] um that's a a staff of four
[1:14:58] ft sorry I I missed that four full-time
[1:15:01] equivalent sta four full-time for 12
[1:15:03] hour yeah so every two years we going to
[1:15:05] be adding effectively four full-time
[1:15:07] equivalents and there'll be a trigger
[1:15:09] point where we add another supervisory
[1:15:12] level so my my point is we can expect
[1:15:16] fairly sign fairly significant
[1:15:18] percentage increases on budget every
[1:15:20] second year just because of adding an
[1:15:23] ambulance
[1:15:27] just just an observation I'm I'm not
[1:15:29] doubting I don't think it's a bad thing
[1:15:31] but I will make the point that um
[1:15:35] Paramedic Services is very responsive to
[1:15:39] population
[1:15:40] growth and what I'm seeing in the health
[1:15:43] unit is that they're not and they should
[1:15:46] be and there are other areas that should
[1:15:49] be sensitive to population growth even
[1:15:52] our own stuffing of of the county staff
[1:15:56] has to be in many respects sensitive to
[1:15:59] the growth in population so it's just a
[1:16:02] a warning a notice to us all that as we
[1:16:06] grow then we must expect our budgets to
[1:16:09] grow as well and sometimes they going to
[1:16:11] grow in excess of the increased Revenue
[1:16:14] we get from that increased population
[1:16:16] and this will be one of those examples
[1:16:19] thank
[1:16:21] you councilor Miller just um councilor
[1:16:25] Bell's uh query it's a good query
[1:16:29] um we we we know currently The Paramedic
[1:16:33] Services are over subscribed they're
[1:16:35] over 100% usage um when we add this
[1:16:38] ambulance this half ambulance um we're
[1:16:42] still going to be over 100% so the the
[1:16:46] addition of the ambulances I don't see
[1:16:48] that going away for the next foreseeable
[1:16:50] future now one of the big drivers of
[1:16:52] that is Hospital weight times I think we
[1:16:55] all know that we've discussed it um it
[1:16:57] was at one point the average was 1 hour
[1:17:00] and 6 minutes earlier this year um it's
[1:17:02] the our last report was down to 53
[1:17:04] minutes if we could ever get a handle on
[1:17:07] that where they just come in and drop
[1:17:09] them off we would see our uh our needs
[1:17:12] for amulance drop substantially but it's
[1:17:14] it's an issue we've been fighting we've
[1:17:15] had meetings at various Municipal
[1:17:18] conferences so around this table we're
[1:17:20] not going to solve it we'll work at it
[1:17:22] we'll chip away at it we'll do it with
[1:17:23] other municipalities but unless and
[1:17:25] until that that is drastically affected
[1:17:27] yeah that trajectory for more
[1:17:29] ambulance is not going
[1:17:32] away council chambers just a comment uh
[1:17:35] Mr chairman I find it a little bit
[1:17:37] unusual that The Paramedic Services
[1:17:40] budget which is in excess of almost $30
[1:17:43] million is placed on our agenda as a
[1:17:46] consent
[1:17:47] item I think in the future items such as
[1:17:52] this should be items where we can
[1:17:54] discuss it rather than a consent item
[1:17:57] which we're supposed to just uh if we
[1:18:00] have questions ahead of time ask them
[1:18:02] but otherwise we uh accept them
[1:18:05] similarily truly noted any other
[1:18:09] questions on that
[1:18:11] report all in
[1:18:14] favor opposed that is
[1:18:18] carried okay uh moving on to section 7.2
[1:18:21] consent items to be received does
[1:18:23] anybody want any of those polls
[1:18:26] councelor
[1:18:27] Miller well I wouldn't mind 7.2.1
[1:18:33] pulled
[1:18:36] 7.2.3 okay so that's the annual billing
[1:18:40] statement and the age friendly community
[1:18:44] plan and councelor Bell yours was
[1:18:46] 7.2.1 anybody else want any
[1:18:49] pulled okay so we're going to vote on
[1:18:51] 7.2.2 and 2.4 all those in
[1:18:56] favor
[1:18:57] opposed those are carried 7.2.1
[1:19:00] councelor
[1:19:01] Miller okay just a quick question um
[1:19:04] it's a little bit opaque that report um
[1:19:08] I know we spent almost $6 million in
[1:19:11] 2023 it looks like 2025 is going to be
[1:19:14] $7 million that's a million dollar
[1:19:16] increase from two years ago okay I just
[1:19:19] wonder what did we spend in
[1:19:21] 2024 I just want that percentage and I
[1:19:24] never seen it this
[1:19:27] report anybody have
[1:19:36] that anybody able to get us
[1:19:40] that it must be
[1:19:44] opaque I think we're just looking for it
[1:19:46] right now stand
[1:19:48] by I think Finance is just looking for
[1:19:51] that we don't have like is they
[1:19:52] reconcile at the end of the year so we
[1:19:55] can certainly find what they had
[1:19:56] budgeted for this time for 2024 it's
[1:19:59] just we won't have the final what we
[1:20:01] actually spent in
[1:20:11] 2024 uh through you Mr chair uh for 2024
[1:20:17] we budgeted um five 5, 834000
[1:20:26] okay so just to be clear then we
[1:20:27] budgeted Less in 2024 than what the
[1:20:31] reconciled statement was for 20123 well
[1:20:34] that through Mr chair through the chair
[1:20:36] the 2023 reconciliation just came in
[1:20:40] right as part of this as part of the
[1:20:43] 2025 amount that they're a full year
[1:20:46] behind in the
[1:20:48] reconciliations okay so that's in
[1:20:50] percentage terms
[1:20:52] that's that's quite large then
[1:20:56] yes um
[1:20:58] do what do are we going to investigate
[1:21:02] this in more detail or do we just what
[1:21:05] are we doing are we just receiving it
[1:21:06] and
[1:21:09] taking is there options later on to
[1:21:11] through the budget process to I guess
[1:21:14] deal with that okay counc Bell yeah I
[1:21:18] think Council Mill's got all my
[1:21:19] observations there thank you
[1:21:22] okay nothing else on
[1:21:26] 7.2.1 all in favor
[1:21:30] 7.2.1 opposed that one's carried uh
[1:21:34] 7.2.3 councelor Miller um as far as the
[1:21:37] update goes I appreciate that sar's work
[1:21:40] on that just a quick question um does
[1:21:43] this this can be modified changed over
[1:21:46] time this plan like all plans I think
[1:21:50] it's a
[1:21:53] docum and there's AAS I'm
[1:21:55] asking through the chair yeah this plan
[1:21:58] will be will be modified as we move
[1:22:01] forward oh um and the reason I'm asking
[1:22:04] is is I'm going through it and that's
[1:22:07] it's interesting because Greg demir's
[1:22:08] actually talked about it uh
[1:22:10] scammers if you look talk about seniors
[1:22:13] one of the biggest things that they face
[1:22:15] is scammers and people Target the
[1:22:16] seniors whether it's it's a phone call
[1:22:18] saying I'm your grandson you know I've
[1:22:20] been put in jail um which makes it
[1:22:22] harder for
[1:22:25] real grandchildren that earn jail to get
[1:22:27] help
[1:22:29] um but and then there's a there's a scam
[1:22:32] in Toronto going around they talk about
[1:22:34] it they're show up we're going to do
[1:22:35] your roof and they show pictures of the
[1:22:37] roof it's not even their roof so anyways
[1:22:39] their targets of scamers the only real
[1:22:42] thing we've looked at is uh maybe
[1:22:44] through the elder abuse committee um
[1:22:46] that's the closest thing they they talk
[1:22:48] about scamming but it's a very very
[1:22:50] small part of that with the elder abuse
[1:22:52] committee the elder abuse committee
[1:22:53] deals mainly with um people that they
[1:22:56] know on an ongoing basis whether it's a
[1:22:58] relative whether it's a caregiver so
[1:23:00] forth so um and if you go to Norfolk uh
[1:23:03] they in their um age friendly document
[1:23:07] that they they do put quite a bit of
[1:23:09] emphasis on on scamming and how to
[1:23:11] protect seniors and I'm just I'm going
[1:23:13] to ask is there anything we could do to
[1:23:14] maybe to um to help them out
[1:23:28] on uh through the chair actually yeah we
[1:23:30] work with um that that group very
[1:23:33] closely and we have actually offered
[1:23:35] workshops in the past as they come up um
[1:23:38] through the gr River Council of Aging
[1:23:40] they often do those types of workshops
[1:23:43] and workshop series um so it's just
[1:23:46] basically as requested and we're happy
[1:23:49] to to um communicate back to them and
[1:23:53] maybe we can work on on bringing that
[1:23:55] forward
[1:23:56] again again I I just I think it's a very
[1:23:59] important issue it really is whether
[1:24:01] it's that somebody calling from say
[1:24:03] they're from CRA or you've lost your
[1:24:05] credit card so it's happening so okay
[1:24:07] thank you okay all right uh so we're
[1:24:10] going to vote on 7.1.3 all in
[1:24:14] favor opposed that is carried we are
[1:24:17] going to take a two-minute recess
[1:24:23] here
[1:24:53] e e
[1:28:13] okay uh thank you uh appreciate that
[1:28:16] short break uh we are moving on to staff
[1:28:17] reports uh staff report 8.1 rpt 0483 d24
[1:28:22] councelor garau has a conflict with that
[1:28:24] she has removed herself can I get a m to
[1:28:27] get that on the floor councelor Coleman
[1:28:29] councelor Oakley questions on that
[1:28:35] report counc
[1:28:39] Coman this just surprises the H of me
[1:28:42] that nobody got any questions on this on
[1:28:46] a replacement of 18 vehicles I had
[1:28:48] questions yesterday I did phone Greg he
[1:28:51] give me the answers but I cannot believe
[1:28:53] that 11 or 10 of us sitting here around
[1:28:55] this horse right now has no
[1:28:58] questions councelor Bell you got have a
[1:29:00] question I have a question just to help
[1:29:02] just help Brian out no I I was surprised
[1:29:05] by the scale but my question is did we
[1:29:08] include this in our CAPIC forecast last
[1:29:11] year for 2025 or is this something that
[1:29:14] has come out of the the woodwork during
[1:29:17] the course of this year uh through the
[1:29:19] chair I'd like to start out by answering
[1:29:22] that by thanking the finance
[1:29:24] uh we've been working on this for 10
[1:29:27] years and we actually have a 10-year
[1:29:29] plan so these were already forecasted
[1:29:31] some of these vehicles um were actually
[1:29:34] forecasted last year to be replaced but
[1:29:36] we pushed off replacement at that time
[1:29:38] due to the budgetary concerns so now
[1:29:41] we're playing a little bit of catchup
[1:29:43] but uh something uh when I joined the
[1:29:45] county many years ago I was working with
[1:29:48] all the Heathers and the vanessas over
[1:29:50] in finance and we started talking about
[1:29:53] a 10 10 10 year plan and we and we built
[1:29:55] a 10year plan so the reason why I'm
[1:29:58] bringing the report forward today is um
[1:30:01] this would normally go through the
[1:30:02] budgetary process and because that's
[1:30:04] going to be later in the season I don't
[1:30:06] want to lose the opportunity to place
[1:30:08] the uh vehicle orders because when you
[1:30:11] want a vehicle in 2025 you have to place
[1:30:13] the order in 2024 so um we're finally
[1:30:16] caught up with our
[1:30:18] vehicles um we have uh we've been
[1:30:21] stretching these vehicles and
[1:30:22] repurposing as as much as we can um but
[1:30:26] just for um committees so you're aware
[1:30:30] some of these vehicles date back all the
[1:30:32] way to
[1:30:33] 2006 uh some of these vehicles have in
[1:30:36] excess of 400,000 kilometers on them and
[1:30:39] some of these vehicles are very
[1:30:41] essential to our service where we can't
[1:30:43] have them break down and they're
[1:30:45] starting to show um signs of wear so
[1:30:47] we've done our best to um stretch them
[1:30:51] there's a couple more that we've pushed
[1:30:53] off I know this is a big ask but these
[1:30:56] are essential and we've um talked a lot
[1:30:59] with all the Departments so that uh we
[1:31:02] could we verified that these are needs
[1:31:05] so if I Mr just to be clear and maybe
[1:31:07] it's a question Heather can answer uh
[1:31:10] what did we include in the forecast last
[1:31:13] year for
[1:31:14] 2025 for this this line item and how how
[1:31:18] much different is it
[1:31:24] we're going to get
[1:31:41] that uh through the chair to councelor
[1:31:43] Bell um it is uh a little bit different
[1:31:47] than last year's uh forecast uh because
[1:31:51] we had moved some um
[1:31:54] items from 2024 to
[1:31:57] 2025 um now also the on this report it
[1:32:02] includes uh an ice resurfacer which was
[1:32:06] not on the fleet list last year if
[1:32:08] you're just looking at the fleet list
[1:32:10] but it was in the community services
[1:32:11] list last
[1:32:13] year um and again every year we do look
[1:32:17] at the 10e forecast and we make further
[1:32:19] adjustments to known pricing increases
[1:32:23] um so any know pricing increases would
[1:32:25] have changed um based on what last
[1:32:28] year's forecast had been uh for these
[1:32:32] pieces of
[1:32:33] equipment um so the exact dollar amount
[1:32:38] may not have been in last year's plan
[1:32:42] just due to those changes in the pricing
[1:32:46] increases um now also a few of the a few
[1:32:49] of the pieces of equipment on the list
[1:32:53] um
[1:32:54] one specifically does have some funding
[1:32:56] from development charges uh based on the
[1:32:59] requirement of it being growth related
[1:33:03] um so uh they're not all coming from the
[1:33:08] same funding source hopefully hopefully
[1:33:11] that answered your question so I'm just
[1:33:13] looking for a you know it's a million
[1:33:15] dollars more or it's $500,000 more
[1:33:17] because I guess we when we start our
[1:33:19] budget process we'll start from what we
[1:33:20] spent in 2024 and we had an estimate for
[1:33:24] 2025 which will now be different and
[1:33:26] will reflect you an increase in the
[1:33:28] starting point for
[1:33:31] 2025 Sor I'm just going to see if I can
[1:33:34] very quickly open what the capital
[1:33:35] forecast was for last
[1:33:39] year uh for Fleet
[1:33:42] specifically now again because the icer
[1:33:44] surfacer wasn't in the fleet section my
[1:33:47] total might be a little bit different
[1:33:54] so the grand total that we had in the
[1:33:58] fleet
[1:33:59] forecast uh presented last year was 3,
[1:34:04] 302,000 so then if you add the ice
[1:34:06] resurfacer into that it was pretty close
[1:34:10] yep good Enzo thank you yeah councilor
[1:34:14] Miller yeah thank you Mr chair um got a
[1:34:18] lot of supplemental information from the
[1:34:20] questions councelor Coleman asked
[1:34:21] yesterday but just um I understand why
[1:34:25] you're bringing this forward today for a
[1:34:27] large friend end loader or a nice
[1:34:30] resurfacer my question is um why the
[1:34:32] pickup trucks why the SUV
[1:34:35] hybrid
[1:34:37] great through the chair because it's
[1:34:39] time for replacement and as I said uh
[1:34:42] some of those Vehicles like one of those
[1:34:43] is a 2006 we can't use it anymore and if
[1:34:46] we want the vehicles replaced in 2025 um
[1:34:49] we need to place the orders um when
[1:34:52] municipalities Buy uh Vehicles there's
[1:34:55] an ordering window it's called and the
[1:34:57] the vehicles are placed in that ordering
[1:34:59] queue if we don't get into that queue
[1:35:01] then we don't get our vehicles and
[1:35:03] that's one of the things that a lot of
[1:35:05] municipalities are struggling with okay
[1:35:08] um it must be different than for an
[1:35:10] individual because I could go in
[1:35:12] tomorrow and buy a pickup truck right uh
[1:35:15] through the chair that is correct but
[1:35:17] you'll pay 20 30,000 $440,000 sometimes
[1:35:21] more than what a municipality will pay
[1:35:23] for a truck because when they do a run
[1:35:26] of vehicles they'll run like Municipal
[1:35:29] orders all at the same time okay yeah
[1:35:31] and I did not know that until okay thank
[1:35:33] you that's good good
[1:35:35] information council chambers I'm trying
[1:35:38] to think of a question just to uh mify C
[1:35:42] so my question is if it if
[1:35:44] municipalities get trucks 20 or $30,000
[1:35:46] less than what I can is there any way
[1:35:49] that I
[1:35:51] can because I've got a 2 three Dodge Ram
[1:35:54] that isn't worth anything and it's
[1:35:55] falling apart through the chair when I
[1:35:58] can figure that out for myself I will
[1:36:00] share that for you and I hope that
[1:36:02] satisfies the councelor Coleman for the
[1:36:04] for the question mayor Bailey uh I want
[1:36:07] to ask a question too because I feel
[1:36:09] like I should have paying more attention
[1:36:10] but since it's not really my business to
[1:36:12] know whether they're Fords or chevs I
[1:36:14] was just wondering whether the ice
[1:36:16] resurfacer was is zambron or something
[1:36:20] else uh through the chair um no I uh
[1:36:24] it's not because through the purchasing
[1:36:26] policy we have to um go out for an ice
[1:36:30] resurfacer and as Amon is actually a
[1:36:32] trademark or name of a particular
[1:36:35] unit a local a local name that supports
[1:36:39] the community in big
[1:36:40] ways okay that's fine thank
[1:36:44] you any other
[1:36:47] questions okay um just I have one
[1:36:51] question here so these are all
[1:36:52] replacements
[1:36:54] what do we do with the other ones do we
[1:36:55] sell
[1:36:57] them might be looking for a front-end
[1:37:03] loader so um through the chair so
[1:37:06] depending on what what we're replacing
[1:37:08] here when the tenders goes out um like
[1:37:10] the front end loader what we would do is
[1:37:12] put that out and then ask for a tradein
[1:37:15] give us some tradein values on the
[1:37:18] pickup trucks we send those to auction
[1:37:20] so that um the community if they they
[1:37:23] wish to purchase something um they have
[1:37:26] the same opportunity as anyone else okay
[1:37:28] no it's interesting because that's the
[1:37:29] ones I was talking with the front end
[1:37:30] loaders and stuff like that the bigger
[1:37:31] item so it's good to know that it's a
[1:37:33] trade in okay and there's a truck there
[1:37:35] for councelor Chambers
[1:37:37] perfect any other
[1:37:40] questions seeing none are you satisfied
[1:37:43] councelor Coleman excellent all those in
[1:37:47] favor opposed that is carried okay
[1:37:51] councelor garno is going to rejoin us
[1:37:52] here
[1:37:55] and we will move on to 8.2 which is rpt
[1:37:58] 0482 d24 Staffing for automated speed
[1:38:02] enforcements can I get a mover councelor
[1:38:05] Oakley councelor
[1:38:07] Kyle
[1:38:12] questions councilor
[1:38:16] Chambers um if if I understand this
[1:38:19] correctly I've read the report I'm
[1:38:20] trying to remember back when we first
[1:38:22] talked about this was this factored in
[1:38:24] that we need two additional employees
[1:38:27] for One camera and if we have another
[1:38:30] camera that's two more
[1:38:33] and I'm just I'm I'm kind of blown away
[1:38:37] by this to tell you the truth U and is
[1:38:41] there cost recovery to recover this uh
[1:38:45] and my other question would be uh why
[1:38:48] can't this wait to be a
[1:38:51] a a budget issue or is it uh does it
[1:38:57] render the speed camera inoperable if we
[1:39:00] don't have the people to do
[1:39:03] this up through the chair to councelor
[1:39:06] chers so there there is a a basic
[1:39:09] formula that we are using based on the
[1:39:10] experience from other municipalities um
[1:39:13] if you recall in the previous report
[1:39:14] from September we had high compliance
[1:39:16] and low compliance rates um what we're
[1:39:18] doing with this exercise here is we
[1:39:20] believe that it's going to be um we're
[1:39:22] still going to have a Surplus with the
[1:39:24] first
[1:39:26] camera um and then we're going to hire
[1:39:28] accordingly um as we we require
[1:39:31] additional staff uh so we're going to
[1:39:33] monitor the numbers we do have some
[1:39:35] numbers for the second and third camera
[1:39:37] I can tell you one of the locations the
[1:39:39] the data is very very high um so likely
[1:39:43] when we we come into the second camera
[1:39:45] we're probably going to ask for
[1:39:46] additional staff these two staff here to
[1:39:49] launch the program I think initially
[1:39:51] we're going to uh recruit for a
[1:39:53] screening officer uh my understanding is
[1:39:56] that the onset of this program when you
[1:39:58] when you launch it you may get a lot of
[1:40:00] screenings um we're doing some work uh
[1:40:02] some policy work in the background where
[1:40:04] we're trying to alleviate some of these
[1:40:06] screenings but anecdotally uh the
[1:40:08] experience in another municipality that
[1:40:10] is doing um automated speed
[1:40:13] enforcement um through the
[1:40:14] administrative penalty system is they
[1:40:16] received about 400 screening requests uh
[1:40:20] in the first
[1:40:21] quarter so we're trying to position
[1:40:23] position ourselves where we're not going
[1:40:24] to get that many screenings um but the
[1:40:27] possibility is there so we want to have
[1:40:29] somebody in place to run those
[1:40:30] screenings we do have staff right now
[1:40:32] that are trained we have two uh officers
[1:40:35] uh Municipal Law Enforcement Officers
[1:40:37] but they're uh they've received a
[1:40:39] designation uh through the ministry they
[1:40:41] they've taken some training so they are
[1:40:43] provincial offenses officers so we're
[1:40:45] trying to delay hiring uh another
[1:40:47] provincial offenses officer until we
[1:40:49] start rolling out more cameras and the
[1:40:51] demand is there so we want to be
[1:40:53] prepared for you know the influx of of
[1:40:55] penalty notices or penalty orders that
[1:40:57] we get um so we're just taking a
[1:41:00] cautious approach and and you know
[1:41:01] putting it on the radar that we're going
[1:41:02] to need to hire some staff we do have
[1:41:04] two staff that we're requesting right
[1:41:06] now just to launch the
[1:41:08] program council
[1:41:11] chambers yeah I understand that I I just
[1:41:13] what's going through my mind is is it
[1:41:15] more practical and and um uh to rather
[1:41:20] than hire staff to look at paperwork
[1:41:23] than hire additional police officers
[1:41:26] that would enforce speeding all over the
[1:41:29] county rather than 100 yards in front of
[1:41:32] a particular location uh as like that's
[1:41:35] a lot of money to uh invest in speed uh
[1:41:41] control in one particular spot in the
[1:41:44] county and I'm just I I'm waiting for
[1:41:48] the review of this after a year to see
[1:41:50] whether it is indeed uh uh worth uh the
[1:41:54] investment that we're putting into it to
[1:41:56] control speeding in 100 yards uh of the
[1:42:01] county when perhaps the funds could be
[1:42:05] spent and uh hiring additional uh police
[1:42:09] officers that would Patrol the entire
[1:42:11] County and maybe do as as much good for
[1:42:14] the cause of reducing speeding in the
[1:42:18] county any other
[1:42:20] questions councelor Kyle and councelor
[1:42:22] meline thanks Mr chair through you to
[1:42:24] Greg Greg um and I probably should know
[1:42:26] the answer to this question but what
[1:42:28] exactly is the screening officer
[1:42:31] screening uh through the chair so uh
[1:42:34] essentially when somebody receives a
[1:42:35] penalty order there's a two-stage
[1:42:37] process where somebody can appeal uh
[1:42:39] it's legislated under the highway
[1:42:40] traffic Act and the regulations for
[1:42:42] automated speed enforcement so the first
[1:42:44] step would be a screening officer where
[1:42:45] they would um request a screening from
[1:42:48] um the officer um that would be a
[1:42:51] Municipal Employee um that person would
[1:42:54] basically review the penalty order under
[1:42:56] specific parameters um as we're
[1:42:58] developing the policy those parameters
[1:43:00] are going to be public facing um and
[1:43:03] then they're going to they can make a
[1:43:05] decision at that point whether to
[1:43:06] confirm the penalty notice they can vary
[1:43:08] it um they can extend a payment plan or
[1:43:10] they can quash it um so we are trying to
[1:43:14] do some policy work on the front end
[1:43:16] just so that the public is aware so we
[1:43:18] don't get an influx of screenings for
[1:43:20] for people that are used to the court
[1:43:22] system where you know if they appear
[1:43:23] before court they can ask for a
[1:43:25] reduction automatically and often times
[1:43:27] it's granted um I don't think that
[1:43:29] that's that's our position we don't want
[1:43:31] to get inated with screening
[1:43:35] requests counc
[1:43:39] meline so I think he kind of alluded to
[1:43:42] this but I'm not 100% sure clear on um
[1:43:45] we're supposed to have the cameras in
[1:43:47] place for a trial period before we
[1:43:49] actually start um sending the tickets so
[1:43:54] we're in that trial phase now is the
[1:43:56] camera in place uh through the chair
[1:43:59] yeah so the camera is in place it was uh
[1:44:02] uh put in place onor about October 1st
[1:44:05] um so it is gathering data um we are we
[1:44:07] are seeing some you know based on the
[1:44:09] threshold that's been set we are seeing
[1:44:11] some pretty significant numbers um I
[1:44:14] think for the first month we're at about
[1:44:15] 40 4700 uh penalty
[1:44:18] notices um and for this month we're at
[1:44:20] about
[1:44:21] 2200 um now that's based on you know the
[1:44:24] data that we we've set the Threshold at
[1:44:27] um when we go live we do expect that you
[1:44:30] know that may decrease because we
[1:44:31] certainly want to do a public campaign
[1:44:34] to notify um the public that you know
[1:44:36] these cameras are in use um so people
[1:44:39] have to you know judge their their speed
[1:44:41] and lower their speed accordingly okay
[1:44:44] so at this point we're not sending out
[1:44:45] notices to people that those 4,400
[1:44:48] people that they've been speeding or
[1:44:50] anything at this point uh through the
[1:44:51] chair no no we're not uh I think that
[1:44:53] was contemplated initially but just the
[1:44:55] cost would have been exorbitant to do
[1:44:57] that because we have to run a search
[1:44:58] every time that we send a letter to
[1:45:00] somebody and that cost us $825 through
[1:45:03] the Ministry of
[1:45:05] Transportation so I just want to confirm
[1:45:08] you did say
[1:45:10] 4700 uh through the chair yeah that's
[1:45:12] correct circles back to your point there
[1:45:15] council chambers
[1:45:20] it too funny uh councelor how's had
[1:45:23] something thanks well um Mr Cherry you
[1:45:26] you kind of tackled my point a little
[1:45:29] bit there uh and just for the benefit of
[1:45:32] the people who are watching at home
[1:45:35] um and this this is a location that is
[1:45:39] within this is touching on a bunch of
[1:45:40] topics from tonight this is a location
[1:45:42] that's
[1:45:43] within 400 feet of a stop
[1:45:47] sign right more or less and it's
[1:45:51] directly in front of the school
[1:45:54] and and you're saying that
[1:45:57] in six weeks we've had uh with a
[1:46:02] threshold of you know we're not we're
[1:46:04] not nailing somebody one kilometer over
[1:46:07] the the speed limit you're said
[1:46:11] 4700
[1:46:13] violations is that accurate uh through
[1:46:15] the chair that's that's what the data is
[1:46:17] is saying right
[1:46:19] now we will'll expect a reduction in
[1:46:22] that and we certainly hope there's a
[1:46:23] reduction in that but yes and and just
[1:46:27] to put it out there the the goal is
[1:46:30] there is for there to be
[1:46:32] none right the the goal is that for
[1:46:35] there to be no violations because we the
[1:46:38] the whole intention is to condition
[1:46:40] people to to drive slower uh in these
[1:46:43] zones so yeah this plus um you know I
[1:46:47] recall two or three years ago to
[1:46:49] counselor Chambers point we did invest
[1:46:52] ex ra money through the op for specific
[1:46:56] officers dedicated to highway traffic
[1:46:58] act issues like speeding offenses so I
[1:47:00] think this is a good
[1:47:02] combination um of efforts to to try and
[1:47:04] make our community a safer
[1:47:06] Place councelor Kyle thanks Mr chair
[1:47:09] through you to Greg Greg just to pick up
[1:47:11] on something you mentioned a minute or
[1:47:12] two ago you said it costs
[1:47:15] $8.50 per um search that you have to do
[1:47:19] so when you run those I'm going to make
[1:47:22] the assumption that there's the same
[1:47:25] person in some cases that's gotten
[1:47:27] multiple times through that zone so are
[1:47:31] you searching that same license plate
[1:47:34] individually every time or do you
[1:47:35] consolidate and go this license plate
[1:47:38] has eight offenses we need to do one
[1:47:39] search and then you times that fine by
[1:47:42] eight or whatever um how does that work
[1:47:46] like are we paying every time or is
[1:47:49] there a consolidation that you can do if
[1:47:51] there is somebody that's coming up
[1:47:52] multip times uh through the chair um so
[1:47:56] we are working on the software and I do
[1:47:58] believe that they're going to have some
[1:47:59] mechanisms in the software to identify
[1:48:02] you know the same plate um you know for
[1:48:04] various reasons there may be patterns
[1:48:06] for this vehicle as well um I should I
[1:48:08] should qualify that the 825 um when we
[1:48:12] do go live we can download that cost uh
[1:48:15] to the owner um so that'll be part of
[1:48:17] the cost recovery again we anticipate
[1:48:20] that this program will be
[1:48:21] self-sufficient and self rep ing um
[1:48:23] based on the data that's been gleaned
[1:48:25] there's been a lot of work that's been
[1:48:26] done in the background for projections
[1:48:29] um so we we expect that it's going to be
[1:48:31] Revenue neutral or you know we may
[1:48:32] operate at
[1:48:35] Surplus anybody
[1:48:38] else okay just uh real quick one here
[1:48:42] that I have
[1:48:43] um the recommendation is that the
[1:48:46] committee approve the recruitment or
[1:48:47] hiring of one full-time screening
[1:48:49] officer and one provincial officer aditt
[1:48:52] to administ
[1:48:54] I and I just want to confirm back to
[1:48:55] what council Cham Chambers was saying
[1:48:57] there so we feel that with the staff
[1:48:59] that we have trained right now and
[1:49:01] adding this one additional provincial
[1:49:04] offen officer that should get us to the
[1:49:06] point where we' be able to handle this
[1:49:07] camera and then we'll base it on once we
[1:49:11] add another camera if another one is
[1:49:12] needed or is it just we're going to add
[1:49:14] them with the cameras uh through the
[1:49:16] chair so we're going to we're going to
[1:49:17] monitor the data very very closely um
[1:49:20] and then make some decisions on hiring
[1:49:22] as as indicated in the report there is a
[1:49:23] bit of a delay when you hire a
[1:49:25] provincial offenses officer there's a
[1:49:26] bit of a protest that they have to go
[1:49:28] through uh we do have some staff right
[1:49:31] now that have been trained uh they're
[1:49:32] designated there's two officers uh
[1:49:35] keeping in mind they do have other
[1:49:37] duties um but you know I would I would
[1:49:39] venture to Guess that probably in in
[1:49:41] June we're probably going to be looking
[1:49:42] at another provincial offenses officer
[1:49:44] um just to kind of handle that second
[1:49:46] camera because of the volumes U so we
[1:49:49] want to make sure that we have the right
[1:49:51] people in place at the right times so
[1:49:53] that the the program can continue
[1:49:55] successfully operating without any
[1:49:57] delays okay and I appreciate the way you
[1:49:59] said that Greg because I was worried
[1:50:01] about if we pull them off the regular
[1:50:03] duties that's going to kind of you know
[1:50:06] if we've got the folks that are trained
[1:50:07] that's great but to your point they've
[1:50:09] got other things they need to do too so
[1:50:10] I'm glad you glad you said that okay
[1:50:13] perfect no other
[1:50:15] questions all those in
[1:50:18] favor
[1:50:19] opposed that is carried
[1:50:23] okay 8.3 which is rpt50 1-24 the
[1:50:28] canesville Premier employment Hub
[1:50:31] comprehensive land use strategy
[1:50:34] mover councilor Garo councelor Kyle
[1:50:38] questions Council
[1:50:40] Miller
[1:50:42] um I I like I like the study I think
[1:50:45] it's a great
[1:50:46] idea um my question is and I'll read a
[1:50:50] line from the report it says um once
[1:50:54] full Services become
[1:50:57] available so we're expecting them to
[1:51:00] become available I know we're working on
[1:51:02] it um is this study premature or do we
[1:51:06] know when services will become
[1:51:09] available uh through the chair so there
[1:51:11] was a master servicing plan done uh I
[1:51:14] believe it went to Council in June so
[1:51:16] that laid out the preliminary plan uh my
[1:51:19] understanding is that operations will go
[1:51:21] to consultant uh to do the actual design
[1:51:25] work in early 2025 so then that'll kind
[1:51:28] of depending on the design and the
[1:51:30] Consulting work depend when it will come
[1:51:32] online whether or not it will be faced
[1:51:34] or all at
[1:51:37] once Miller
[1:51:41] I you don't think this study is too
[1:51:43] early is what I'm saying what that you
[1:51:45] don't think this is too
[1:51:47] early um the benefit of oh Rob
[1:51:51] Walton I think CE Alison wants to say
[1:51:53] something here thank you you Mr chair um
[1:51:57] so the idea is that the from what I
[1:51:59] understand the design work for the for
[1:52:01] the actual servicing would take
[1:52:02] approximately a year and then the actual
[1:52:04] construction approximately a year this
[1:52:06] also would take approximately one year
[1:52:09] um so I wanted them to go at the same
[1:52:12] time not only is it a requirement
[1:52:14] through the new uh planning act but um
[1:52:17] we wanted to make sure that when when we
[1:52:19] get to that point where servicing is
[1:52:21] going to be available that there was a
[1:52:23] lead time to be able to actually get
[1:52:24] tenants in place and uh things could hit
[1:52:27] the ground running so the idea was to
[1:52:29] have them go in tandem um so it would be
[1:52:32] fully ready and fully serviced and
[1:52:33] Shuffle ready um by the time the
[1:52:35] services are in the
[1:52:39] ground through the chair to um councelor
[1:52:42] Miller there there's an extreme demand
[1:52:45] out there I think we're into our third
[1:52:46] um interim servicing agreement out there
[1:52:50] in this area for things that are going
[1:52:51] to go ahead on
[1:52:53] holding tanks and whatever awaiting
[1:52:55] waiting the services so we are out for
[1:52:58] the expression of interest to hire the
[1:53:00] um so to do the pumping station designed
[1:53:02] right now and you know whether we'll see
[1:53:05] that implemented in
[1:53:07] 2026 it would be the Hope um and this
[1:53:10] really does need to go in parallel with
[1:53:13] that Council Miller yeah I'm not
[1:53:17] confident at this point I I would rather
[1:53:19] see it delay to year but that's just my
[1:53:21] thoughts
[1:53:24] anybody
[1:53:27] else seeing none all in
[1:53:30] favor
[1:53:32] opposed that is
[1:53:34] carried uh 8.4 rp-0 51124 assessment
[1:53:39] based management policy can I get a
[1:53:42] mover coun
[1:53:45] Oley councelor
[1:53:47] Kyle on this side of the table here
[1:53:50] questions on that report counc
[1:53:53] garno thank you Mr chair through to
[1:53:56] staff um I do have a few um on page
[1:54:00] three of three on the the memo portion
[1:54:01] of the report I'm wondering if it could
[1:54:04] be explained what the difference between
[1:54:05] or sorry what is a review role and then
[1:54:08] how is that different from a county
[1:54:10] initiated
[1:54:15] action coun know um we review the role
[1:54:19] to sorry we review the role to ensure
[1:54:21] that all properties are assessed
[1:54:23] property we have a company um that
[1:54:25] actually does the review for us they
[1:54:28] pick up any discrepancies in zoning or
[1:54:31] any building permits that are Miss
[1:54:33] missed Council init Council initiated
[1:54:36] appeals is when there is a major error
[1:54:39] that empact cannot fix the only way to
[1:54:42] fix the error is to actually appeal the
[1:54:45] assessment to the
[1:54:47] ARB c g thank you um and then uh on a
[1:54:51] slightly different
[1:54:52] topic uh section 11 of the policy
[1:54:56] addresses discrep discrepancies and one
[1:54:58] of the things it says is that the county
[1:55:00] will help property owners who have lost
[1:55:03] their agricultural forestry or
[1:55:05] conservation designation I'm just
[1:55:07] wondering what help we offer in those
[1:55:09] circumstances I just recently helped a g
[1:55:12] or helped a lady um we fill forms we
[1:55:15] helped them revise them um if they
[1:55:18] because the Agri Corp cannot go back to
[1:55:20] Prior years they can only do the proceed
[1:55:22] are they next year so anything now would
[1:55:25] only be done for 2024 or 2025 we do the
[1:55:28] 2024 under Section 357 358 of the
[1:55:31] municipal
[1:55:33] act thank you and one one further one um
[1:55:36] in the event that the county has taken
[1:55:38] an action that's caused someone to lose
[1:55:40] one of those statuses do we still help
[1:55:43] them and if so how does that
[1:55:47] unfold the as far as um has happened we
[1:55:51] have not had any anybody lose their
[1:55:53] status because of any action on behalf
[1:55:55] of County if they did we would still
[1:55:57] take the same action we would help them
[1:56:00] assist them to get it back work with
[1:56:02] Agri Corp empac and the property
[1:56:06] owner okay thank
[1:56:09] you anybody
[1:56:14] else seeing none all in
[1:56:17] favor opposed that is carried
[1:56:22] okay 8.5 rpt 0519 d24 Municipal and
[1:56:26] School Board elections alternate forms
[1:56:29] of voting can I get a mover councelor
[1:56:32] Coleman counc Bell
[1:56:38] questions
[1:56:40] see Council Miller well we've had this
[1:56:43] discussion before Mr chair but can maybe
[1:56:46] the clerk could speak too how do you how
[1:56:48] do you know it's secure I
[1:56:50] guess what what what what measures do we
[1:56:53] take if we go to an online
[1:56:56] voting um through the chair to the
[1:56:59] counselor's question um there are a lot
[1:57:00] of mechanisms today that are a lot more
[1:57:02] secure than online voting in the past so
[1:57:04] a lot of vendors today there are a lot
[1:57:06] more today than there used to be they
[1:57:07] have a lot more options when it comes to
[1:57:09] two Factor verification so you're sent a
[1:57:12] unique code either by mail or by email
[1:57:14] whatever it is along with some personal
[1:57:16] information that you are pairing
[1:57:17] together to make sure that you are
[1:57:18] getting the right person to vote
[1:57:22] okay um I mean I always like the paper
[1:57:26] ballot because you can count them you
[1:57:27] can recount them things like that and
[1:57:29] I'm not worried about Iran or Russia or
[1:57:31] anybody you know hacking the municipal
[1:57:34] election of Brant but is yeah my my main
[1:57:37] concern and it's just reflection of my
[1:57:41] age so um yeah I just want it to be
[1:57:44] secure so but you feel I guess you would
[1:57:46] feel it secure otherwise you wouldn't be
[1:57:47] making this
[1:57:50] recommendation any other questions
[1:57:52] Council G thank you Mr chair I guess
[1:57:55] more of a comment for staff to take back
[1:57:57] um one of the things that was brought to
[1:57:59] my attention during the election was
[1:58:01] with regards to the voters list and I
[1:58:02] know it comes to us in a certain way and
[1:58:04] we take it as it is um but in a number
[1:58:07] of cases I had individuals let me know
[1:58:09] that they had say for example adult
[1:58:11] children still listed as electors in
[1:58:14] this community despite being gone a long
[1:58:17] time and if the the secondary check to
[1:58:20] cast a pin online is one's birth dat
[1:58:22] On's parents likely also know their
[1:58:25] children's birth date as far as being
[1:58:28] able to cast additional votes I'm not
[1:58:30] sure if this perhaps the clerk could
[1:58:32] just comment on that um because the
[1:58:35] other two scenarios that came to me is
[1:58:37] name individuals receiving voters cards
[1:58:39] and both they married and their ma names
[1:58:41] or for deceased individuals within their
[1:58:45] homes through the chair to the
[1:58:46] counselor's question um so the voters
[1:58:49] list has been taken over by um elections
[1:58:51] Ontario they're doing a better job now
[1:58:53] we have staff across the municipalities
[1:58:55] working very closely with them um from
[1:58:57] as early as last year trying to clean
[1:58:59] that up right now and it looks pretty
[1:59:00] good I've looked at it too so um we're a
[1:59:02] little bit more hopeful with the voters
[1:59:03] list there um in terms of parents
[1:59:07] knowing their kids birthdays or any
[1:59:08] family members um it can happen um but
[1:59:13] again there are ways to send the the
[1:59:15] unique pin that wouldn't just go out by
[1:59:17] mail it could go to an email address
[1:59:19] there are things that vendors offer so
[1:59:20] that it's a bit more secure that way we
[1:59:22] can try to mitigate those
[1:59:24] concerns thank you I'm glad to hear
[1:59:27] that counc o um to the chair to the
[1:59:31] clerk um I just want to say that I'm
[1:59:34] thrilled that I that will be offering
[1:59:35] the online voting uh potentially on the
[1:59:37] day of election I know this was uh
[1:59:39] something heard from a number of folks
[1:59:41] who were planning on voting online they
[1:59:43] uh found out they couldn't had some sort
[1:59:45] of illness other something preventing
[1:59:46] them from being there in person and uh
[1:59:49] they were unable to ctch their vote so I
[1:59:51] think this is a great great step
[1:59:54] forward anybody
[1:59:57] else seeing none all in
[2:00:00] favor opposed that is carried 8.6 rpt
[2:00:05] 042 424 2026 election W boundary and
[2:00:08] Council composition survey
[2:00:11] mover counc McAlpine councelor house
[2:00:17] questions uh through the chair uh in
[2:00:21] which year would we be intending to have
[2:00:23] this uh 2030 municipal election uh
[2:00:26] review with the external expertise or
[2:00:29] yeah um we would be looking at starting
[2:00:32] that probably about 20
[2:00:35] 27 we'd be starting looking at getting
[2:00:38] uh someone in line to to start that
[2:00:40] process because if we're doing a full
[2:00:42] one there's a lot of details that are
[2:00:44] going to have to be M through perfect
[2:00:46] thank you anybody else
[2:00:52] seeing none all in
[2:00:53] favor opposed that is
[2:00:57] carried okay section nine committee
[2:00:59] reports 9.1 tour tourism advisory can I
[2:01:02] get a mover councelor Kyle mayor Bailey
[2:01:07] questions seeing none all in
[2:01:09] favor opposed that is carried 9.2 Brandt
[2:01:14] Heritage can I get a mover councelor
[2:01:17] house councelor McAlpine
[2:01:19] questions councelor Oakley to the chair
[2:01:22] to the members of committee uh just for
[2:01:25] some context I was I was reading through
[2:01:27] the minutes as well it wasn't explicit
[2:01:29] um what what is this joint Heritage
[2:01:32] committee councelor H so there are uh
[2:01:36] and Council cine feel free to chime in
[2:01:39] on the details but there there are a
[2:01:41] number of municipalities that work
[2:01:43] together on as a joint Heritage effort
[2:01:46] and compare notes and best practices and
[2:01:50] and they meet once a year at different
[2:01:51] location
[2:01:52] and and it's it's our turn next year
[2:01:55] that's the short
[2:01:57] answer you're good with that okay all
[2:02:00] those in
[2:02:02] favor opposed that is
[2:02:05] carried okay moving on Communications I
[2:02:08] see none other business councelor Bell
[2:02:09] you had to
[2:02:11] items thank you uh I've had a number of
[2:02:15] people rais concerns about the
[2:02:18] proliferation of signage on rest AER
[2:02:21] Road if anybody drives between
[2:02:24] Cobblestone and Arlington Parkway you'll
[2:02:27] pass I'm going to guess 20 signs and yet
[2:02:32] there's the big U pillar that has all of
[2:02:36] um businesses that are involved in that
[2:02:39] that commercial Plaza so a question I
[2:02:42] think
[2:02:42] to our staff is that permissible my
[2:02:47] understanding might is that they are the
[2:02:49] right size they're 8 by4 so they they
[2:02:52] meet that criteria but are we
[2:02:54] comfortable having literally tens of
[2:02:57] them on the side of the road because
[2:03:00] they're distract from people looking at
[2:03:03] the other signs that that we want them
[2:03:04] to look at like there's a roundabout
[2:03:07] coming you shouldn't stop there doesn't
[2:03:09] stop people from stopping there but that
[2:03:11] that's that's the the truth of the
[2:03:12] matter so could I could somebody from
[2:03:15] staff give me a sense of whether that's
[2:03:17] something that is both
[2:03:19] permissible and ively is it
[2:03:25] desirable thank you Mr chair um so we do
[2:03:28] occasionally get reports of signs and
[2:03:30] stuff that's not in compliance with our
[2:03:31] bylaw um certainly I can have staff um
[2:03:35] you know take a drive and see if there's
[2:03:36] any that are non- compliant um if they
[2:03:39] are then we could certainly ask them to
[2:03:41] be taken down um your sort of separate
[2:03:44] question um was regarding the the
[2:03:47] community service signs um that we have
[2:03:50] in different communities and there is
[2:03:51] staff report coming forward on that um
[2:03:54] really to close off the we finding
[2:03:56] strategy um so that will sort of be
[2:03:58] addressed as a separate issue um and I
[2:04:02] think they need to be dealt with
[2:04:03] separately um my sense is that most of
[2:04:05] those are for service clubs um versus
[2:04:08] the signage that you're actually
[2:04:09] referring to on rers
[2:04:11] road yeah the commentary I get back from
[2:04:14] from residents is this doesn't actually
[2:04:16] fit with Paris being the prettiest
[2:04:19] little town in Ontario uh and they're
[2:04:22] quite right it's rather ugly so I I
[2:04:24] would appreciate if we can take a look
[2:04:26] at it second question was around
[2:04:29] roundabouts and safety on roundabouts
[2:04:31] and we mentioned this before could staff
[2:04:35] comment as to whether they're looking at
[2:04:38] um improving the safety pedestrian
[2:04:41] safety on
[2:04:44] roundabouts Rob's going to come up
[2:04:54] or Rob answers this question we should
[2:04:57] prepare ourselves for a delegation
[2:04:59] coming I think probably next meeting or
[2:05:02] one after that U led by somebody whose
[2:05:05] children came very close to being hit on
[2:05:08] the roundabouts and rers
[2:05:10] R through the chair to councelor Bell um
[2:05:13] actually this past week there was some
[2:05:16] correspondence that made his way through
[2:05:18] to some counselors and his staff and uh
[2:05:21] um number of us in uh in operations
[2:05:23] actually had a meeting with our
[2:05:24] Consultants designing our current
[2:05:26] roundabouts coming forward on uh Grand
[2:05:28] River Street North as to what you know
[2:05:31] his implications were for these other
[2:05:32] ones which weren't designed by them but
[2:05:34] they certainly understand the design and
[2:05:35] what's coming up for Grand Street North
[2:05:38] so I think what we need to do is we need
[2:05:40] to get a good education program a better
[2:05:43] education program um for residence as to
[2:05:46] what the safety considerations on
[2:05:48] roundabouts is for for pedestrians and
[2:05:51] uh to get the real word out there and
[2:05:53] there's worldwide statistics on this and
[2:05:55] rounds are quite safe much safer than uh
[2:05:59] than many signalized intersections and
[2:06:01] we we certainly can provide that
[2:06:03] information through to council and and
[2:06:05] through to the residents um that being
[2:06:08] said there are some new things coming up
[2:06:10] in in roundabout design and we are
[2:06:13] looking at some uh some measures to um
[2:06:16] improve the newer ones which we're going
[2:06:17] to be doing next year on Grand River
[2:06:19] Street North so um you know I could go
[2:06:23] on for this for for half an hour the
[2:06:25] answer to the question is yes we're
[2:06:27] looking at it yes we need to do
[2:06:28] education and yes we'll be bringing more
[2:06:31] information back to council yeah and I I
[2:06:33] may Mr chair one of the things that that
[2:06:36] keeps coming back to us is people are
[2:06:38] getting familiar with roundabouts
[2:06:40] because if you go to Cambridge or
[2:06:42] kitchen or water you'll see lots of them
[2:06:44] and they will point to enhancements on
[2:06:47] the roundabouts there that we don't have
[2:06:49] which would improve the safety of
[2:06:51] pedestrian
[2:06:52] so if if when you report back you can
[2:06:54] comment on why we're different and why
[2:06:57] we why we're different and what we could
[2:06:59] do to come to the same standard that our
[2:07:04] neighbors
[2:07:05] have through through the charity
[2:07:07] councelor Bell um over time all of these
[2:07:10] things evolve and um I would say the
[2:07:13] standards we've used are mostly all the
[2:07:15] same and the Consultants used are mostly
[2:07:17] all the same ones that have been used
[2:07:18] for the the regional waterl ones as well
[2:07:21] um there are new enhancements which are
[2:07:23] being brought into some of their new
[2:07:24] ones there many of the these things be
[2:07:27] very difficult to retrofit back into
[2:07:29] existing ones without a huge piece of
[2:07:32] construction so you know we're looking
[2:07:33] forward to that um as far as changes
[2:07:36] with signage and whatever um you know
[2:07:39] municipalities do do some of that
[2:07:40] differently and we certainly can look at
[2:07:42] some of that and see what we do going
[2:07:46] forward okay the good news is though
[2:07:49] although we've had all these reports how
[2:07:51] unsafe they are we really haven't had
[2:07:54] much in the way of incidents in them
[2:07:57] so okay uh thank you for that um
[2:08:01] councelor Miller you had something on
[2:08:02] way finding strategy yeah thank you Mr
[2:08:05] chair and I'll be as brief as I can um
[2:08:08] so the way finding strategy we passed
[2:08:12] accounts I don't know how long ago seven
[2:08:13] eight years
[2:08:14] ago and it was a way of
[2:08:18] uh having common signage I guess for our
[2:08:21] town
[2:08:22] in settlement areas across the county
[2:08:24] since we hadn't done that since Weg so
[2:08:26] it made sense um it cost a lot of money
[2:08:30] I was surprised at the time even then it
[2:08:32] seemed like a lot
[2:08:34] um so that's fine I I I I supported it
[2:08:39] um what I didn't know at the
[2:08:41] time was that for those um Hamlet
[2:08:45] settlements call them what you will that
[2:08:48] aren't in the designated as a settlement
[2:08:51] there area or hamlet in the official
[2:08:53] plan um and there's only 20 those signs
[2:08:57] would um basically they'd be left to
[2:09:01] fall over and collapse
[2:09:04] so and talking to Allison sounds like
[2:09:07] they there could be close to 70 of those
[2:09:08] throughout the county um I put a picture
[2:09:11] of Harrisburg in there or sorry not
[2:09:14] Harrisburg Hatley in there um I know
[2:09:17] Ton's in there Mount Burn's in there and
[2:09:19] you we go through all the the wars you
[2:09:21] you'll you you'll find it so I'm not
[2:09:24] sure if that's a good idea for for three
[2:09:28] reasons and I'll list them um first of
[2:09:31] all um and I'll take Ashley if you if
[2:09:34] you remove that sign you will upset
[2:09:38] residents quite a bit and I think
[2:09:39] needlessly I think the same with
[2:09:42] anonia um and the second reason is we
[2:09:46] talked about it when we were talkinging
[2:09:47] about strategic plan we we wanted to
[2:09:49] treat all our residents where they live
[2:09:52] in Paris St George whatever W they live
[2:09:54] in we wanted to treat them equitably and
[2:09:56] I don't believe that's treating
[2:09:58] everybody equitably um if you ask
[2:10:01] somebody from hashley where they're from
[2:10:03] the first thing they're going to say is
[2:10:05] I'm from Hatley they don't say I live in
[2:10:07] the county brand they say I'm from
[2:10:10] Hatley so taking away this the very
[2:10:15] taking away that sign what does it leave
[2:10:17] them um what are they going to say I I'm
[2:10:20] I I live in the count County of Brant um
[2:10:23] okay but where and I I don't know where
[2:10:25] I live
[2:10:28] so that's another and then the third
[2:10:30] reason is historical and and I'll go to
[2:10:32] mount burn because I did a little
[2:10:33] research on that with our local histori
[2:10:36] Clayton
[2:10:37] Barker Mount Vernon sign came down um
[2:10:40] this is all allar and I asked I just
[2:10:42] sent an email to Greg de says can you
[2:10:45] guys put that back up and he said uh no
[2:10:48] um so he got me in contact with Melissa
[2:10:51] said well that's not part of our wave
[2:10:53] finding strategy I said okay so she sent
[2:10:55] me the info on those 20 things which I
[2:10:57] included in their package um but but
[2:10:59] take Mount Vernon for example um that
[2:11:02] was a town started as Springfield back
[2:11:04] in 1802 so it's been around you know
[2:11:08] 2 22 years um started at Springfield I
[2:11:13] think the name changed in 1850 was
[2:11:15] actually a large town at the time they
[2:11:18] had half a dozen Mills there um if
[2:11:20] you're familiar with with M Vernon at
[2:11:23] all they had a cemetery they had a
[2:11:24] railway stop they have a church thanks
[2:11:26] to counselor garno I know they had a
[2:11:28] school because we have a picture of a
[2:11:30] graduating class from there um so it had
[2:11:33] a lot of things uh berford had a fire
[2:11:37] big fire uh bunch of fires um in the
[2:11:40] early
[2:11:41] 1880s and they actually took some of the
[2:11:43] commercial buildings from Mount Vernon
[2:11:45] and they moved up to berford which had
[2:11:47] also been called claremount at one time
[2:11:50] um and it's interesting because talking
[2:11:52] to
[2:11:52] Clayton he was connecting dots for me
[2:11:55] and you could see that uh they wanted
[2:11:57] berford to kind of take off and it
[2:11:59] became part of this politically
[2:12:04] um well for political reasons that's why
[2:12:06] Brent County was was started so it's
[2:12:08] interesting if if you learn about where
[2:12:10] something started and why you you
[2:12:13] understand uh where it's going to go to
[2:12:15] so anyways take away the Mount Vernon
[2:12:18] sign and what are you left with all that
[2:12:20] history is gone it's just gone there's
[2:12:22] nothing to to to to recognize it so um I
[2:12:27] I like I said understand the way Finance
[2:12:28] Str understand we want common signage
[2:12:31] for the settlement areas recognized in
[2:12:33] the op but at the same time I don't
[2:12:35] believe we should be ignoring the
[2:12:37] existing signs for all those smaller
[2:12:41] again I'll call them hamlets sement
[2:12:43] areas throughout the county so
[2:12:47] um that's what I've learned on this and
[2:12:50] um I did talk to staff and what I would
[2:12:52] ask Mr uh Mr chair if you allow is is a
[2:12:55] motion to refer this matter back to
[2:12:58] staff and and then they could come back
[2:13:00] with a report saying um uh we could just
[2:13:03] replace the current signs uh we could
[2:13:05] upgrade them there's a cost to that too
[2:13:08] and at least at least we as a council
[2:13:10] could could make that decision have
[2:13:12] further discussion so I'll make a motion
[2:13:14] that we refer the matter to staff uh
[2:13:17] seeking a second counc car second do you
[2:13:20] want to speak to it
[2:13:24] yeah so I do want to support councelor
[2:13:26] Miller in this and offer a real example
[2:13:29] of why I think as much as there's a cost
[2:13:31] we should keep these identities so if
[2:13:33] you ask me where I live I kind of go
[2:13:35] well I'm sort of near canesville um the
[2:13:38] alternative is to say on the east side
[2:13:40] of Branford and we are probably Grant
[2:13:42] County which lands me here today um but
[2:13:45] I suspect there are others around the
[2:13:47] table that or their parents may have
[2:13:49] remembered the area as monkey Hollow
[2:13:51] Pine Grove or the Johnson settlement but
[2:13:54] today that's not an area that is
[2:13:57] recognized or even if I said we're we're
[2:14:00] in Pine grve I don't know that anyone
[2:14:02] would know how to find us because I
[2:14:04] suspect the signage we once had is long
[2:14:06] since lost to history and I've been on a
[2:14:08] mission to uncover that history and
[2:14:11] another local historian who's here
[2:14:12] tonight has been helping me with that
[2:14:14] but I I think this is worth a discussion
[2:14:17] particularly for our rural communities
[2:14:19] who are unlikely to ever identify as
[2:14:22] being part of more of our anchor
[2:14:24] community so I want to thank councelor
[2:14:26] Miller for bringing this forward and
[2:14:27] look forward to if we're successful
[2:14:30] tonight with resolution report from
[2:14:32] staff thank
[2:14:34] you council
[2:14:37] chambers yes I certainly support the
[2:14:39] resolution I can recall and maybe the
[2:14:42] people on Council of the day can recall
[2:14:44] when I did the same kind of spiel about
[2:14:46] hashley as councelor Miller did about
[2:14:48] Mount Vernon and that's why the hashley
[2:14:50] sign Got erected and my memory serves
[2:14:53] correctly not all members of council
[2:14:55] were supportive of that and remember one
[2:14:57] in particular said if we do it for one
[2:14:59] we'll have to do it for everyone which I
[2:15:02] said maybe we should do it for everyone
[2:15:05] and uh maybe that Council can remember
[2:15:07] saying that so I support the the
[2:15:10] resolution I know if you drive through
[2:15:11] noral County you go through dogs nest
[2:15:14] and rattlesnake Harbor and they've got
[2:15:15] their little signs up there and hunky D
[2:15:19] those kind of places it's interesting
[2:15:21] for the the people that drive by it it's
[2:15:23] it's excellent for the residents who
[2:15:25] live there and know a little bit of
[2:15:27] local history and we don't want to lose
[2:15:28] that local history and uh I certainly uh
[2:15:33] know a little bit about Mount Vernon it
[2:15:35] was a county seat at one time so uh not
[2:15:38] too long ago and sure these things
[2:15:41] should be done and I don't expect that
[2:15:43] we need to put the big blue pillared
[2:15:46] signs like in Fairfield of all places um
[2:15:50] which has its own history but doesn't
[2:15:51] really need that kind of a sign just
[2:15:53] needs a little sign that says this is
[2:15:55] where Fairfield is so let's uh move
[2:15:57] forward and and and recognize Our
[2:15:59] Heritage and history and and name these
[2:16:01] little places and put the signs up so
[2:16:03] everybody knows where they
[2:16:05] are counc house thank you Mr chair yeah
[2:16:09] and I I agree I I support this as well
[2:16:11] from a Heritage perspective and I think
[2:16:14] not only the people who have uh
[2:16:18] generations of of history in these areas
[2:16:21] but people who are new to this broader
[2:16:24] Community move here because they like
[2:16:27] that the small town charm we hear that a
[2:16:30] lot and one of the ways that we can
[2:16:33] maintain and reinforce the small town
[2:16:36] charm is by continuing to recognize
[2:16:39] these these little hamlets and and I I
[2:16:42] think it's a great
[2:16:45] idea Okay so we've got a motion on the
[2:16:47] table it is seconded all those in favor
[2:16:52] opposed
[2:16:55] unanimous okay that was it for other
[2:16:57] business so now can I get a motion to go
[2:17:00] in camera um we're going to go in camera
[2:17:04] to discuss rp-0
[2:17:08] 54-24 uh a proposed imp pending
[2:17:10] acquisition or disposition of land by
[2:17:12] the municipality or local board 925 rest
[2:17:14] Acres
[2:17:16] Road councelor Coleman mayor Bailey
[2:17:22] all in
[2:17:24] favor opposed we're going to
[2:17:49] go
[2:18:19] e e
[2:21:44] okay we are back in Open Session I do
[2:21:47] not see anything else on the agenda for
[2:21:49] this evening
[2:21:53] we are back in Open
[2:21:56] Session anybody else have anything for
[2:21:58] the betterment of the
[2:22:01] county if not ask for motion to adjourn
[2:22:04] Council Coleman thank you have a great