1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:06,799 everyone and welcome to a meeting of Brent count county council for July the 2 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:10,000 28th 2026. I have a bit of a sore throat so I'm 3 00:00:08,639 --> 00:00:14,160 going to try to get through this and if I can't get through it someone is going 4 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:18,160 to come up and finish it off for me. First thing on our agenda today is our 5 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:22,800 attendance. It's been taken by the clerk and we're all here. Councelor Pierce is 6 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:27,279 online. I think he's in Mexico. The rest of us are all in here. Um, the land 7 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:32,399 acknowledgement is the second thing on the agenda and councelor Kyle's going to 8 00:00:29,599 --> 00:00:36,000 do that for us. >> As we gather, we acknowledge that we 9 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:40,079 meet on the lands and territory of the Missosagas of the Credit First Nation, 10 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:44,559 six nations of the Grand River and the traditional territory of the Adawander. 11 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:49,280 We remind ourselves that the county of Brandt is situated on lands that are 12 00:00:46,399 --> 00:00:53,840 full of rich indigenous history and home to many First Nations, Inuit, and Matei 13 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:57,920 people. Today, we recognize the significance of their contributions to 14 00:00:55,760 --> 00:01:02,239 the past, present, and future of this land. As a county, we have a shared 15 00:01:00,399 --> 00:01:05,760 responsibility for the stewardship of the land on which we live and work, and 16 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:10,080 a commitment to the truth and reconciliation calls to action. We 17 00:01:08,159 --> 00:01:15,280 commit to continue learning, reflecting on our past, and working in allyship. 18 00:01:12,960 --> 00:01:20,320 » Thanks, Councelor Kyle. Uh, the third thing on our agenda is the agenda itself 19 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:25,080 with an addendum. Is there anything else the council wants to put on the agenda? 20 00:01:25,119 --> 00:01:30,159 No. >> Councelor Kyle. 21 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:34,960 » Thanks, Mr. Mayor. Uh, not an addition to the agenda, but wondering if we could 22 00:01:32,159 --> 00:01:40,479 bring uh the communications uh related to the CPPS ahead of the uh discussion 23 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:46,079 on the CPPS. So, that would be I think it's 10.5. 24 00:01:42,479 --> 00:01:51,520 » Yeah. Thank you. Hey, Councelor Miller. >> Yeah, Mr. Mayor. Um, if you look at uh 25 00:01:49,439 --> 00:01:56,240 item number, and just bear with me for a second here, 26 00:01:54,399 --> 00:02:00,640 103, and that's a new central library project 27 00:01:58,399 --> 00:02:07,840 plan. I'm just wondering, um, should that item not come after the in camera 28 00:02:04,479 --> 00:02:14,879 item of 151? To me, it makes sense it should. 29 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:18,400 Okay, everybody's okay with that? Doesn't really matter to me. It does 30 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:22,959 make more sense. >> Yeah, because there's I have questions 31 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:26,959 about that, but I I think I'd I'd like to ask. Anyways, what I would suggest 32 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:31,920 and uh it's up to you obviously, but uh is maybe move 103 to the after camera. 33 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:33,440 Um >> Okay. 34 00:02:32,879 --> 00:02:37,599 » And >> anybody else? 35 00:02:35,920 --> 00:02:42,560 Okay. We're going to vote on the agenda as it's amended with its addendum. All 36 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:47,599 those in favor? Opposed? Carried. 37 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:52,000 The next [clears throat] thing on the agenda is the declaration of pecinary 38 00:02:49,920 --> 00:02:56,879 interest. Does anyone see any that are obvious? Councelor Miller, 39 00:02:54,640 --> 00:02:59,920 » I got uh one item on I'll pull it when we get to it, but that's from the admin 40 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:04,400 and OP meeting. >> Okay. 41 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:08,400 Anyone else have any pecunary interest? Seeing none. Okay. We'll go on to number 42 00:03:06,159 --> 00:03:11,920 five, which is our delegations. And we have a couple of them. The first one is 43 00:03:10,319 --> 00:03:18,040 from the Paris Legion. It's going to be Barry and Cheryl are going to come up 44 00:03:14,640 --> 00:03:18,040 and speak 45 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:30,560 and you have 10 minutes. And uh if you can just give us your full 46 00:03:28,239 --> 00:03:33,120 names, please and and uh we we understand that you're representing the 47 00:03:32,239 --> 00:03:39,120 Paris Legion. >> You bet. I'm my name is Barry Humphrey. 48 00:03:34,959 --> 00:03:44,159 I'm the president of Legion 21 in Paris. And uh this is my wife. She's on the 49 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:51,200 committee for uh with the anniversary of raising funds for our anniversary uh 50 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:55,840 which is coming up. October 7th, 1926 was when we uh signed the charter and 51 00:03:54,080 --> 00:04:00,879 we've been doing fundraisings for our 100th anniversary. Uh music events, 52 00:03:58,799 --> 00:04:08,560 barbecues, high tees, Mother's Day brunches, and uh we're going to have a 53 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:15,040 September 28th October 2 open house, the invitation to schools and public. The 54 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:20,400 theme is women on the home front. stitches, steel, and strength, holding 55 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:26,479 the line at home, women's and World War II. Uh the contributors were Paris 56 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:32,000 Museum, Canadian Military, uh Museums, uh the Paris Library, the 57 00:04:29,759 --> 00:04:37,280 Paris Legion Archives, and the general public. I'm going to turn this over to 58 00:04:35,199 --> 00:04:41,960 Cheryl, and I'll let her talk about some more issues that we're doing at the 59 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,960 Legion. 60 00:04:45,919 --> 00:04:54,000 I'm shorter. I got to adjust. With the 100th anniversary, we've plined 61 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:59,520 many of fundraising events. We've done barbecues, Mother's Day, um, uh, brunch. 62 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:04,560 We've done high tea, and, uh, we've worked very hard to raise funds. Uh, 63 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:09,360 some of these funds will be used to, uh, improve some of the facilities at the 64 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:16,160 Legion as well as help us with some celebrations. Our October uh open house 65 00:05:13,919 --> 00:05:20,960 is going to be an invite to schools and the open public. We'll have all kinds of 66 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:26,880 displays out there indicating what the women in Paris as well as in Ontario, 67 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:32,960 what they did during the World War II. Many, many things of interest that 68 00:05:29,759 --> 00:05:37,600 everybody should come out and see. Part of our celebration also has been the 69 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:43,199 Poppy Project. But I'm going to first show the picture. I think that you're 70 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:50,000 going to have to. So, this is a fiber art picture. It means it's all made of 71 00:05:46,639 --> 00:05:54,960 fabric and we have a very talented lady who has donated two pictures to our 72 00:05:52,479 --> 00:06:00,960 Legion. The first one will find its permanent home there, but this one is a 73 00:05:57,039 --> 00:06:06,639 fundraising effect or event. Um, it's fiber, meaning that it's all fabric 74 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:14,560 stitched down. Uh Donna Visure Campbell, who is a local um um resident, has been 75 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:18,880 very um strong in producing pictures like this, and she does sell them, but 76 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:24,319 she has donated two of these to us us for one for fundraising and one for a 77 00:06:21,280 --> 00:06:29,919 commemoration for our 100th anniversary. It's a fragile event, so we say I'm 78 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:34,080 fragile. Please don't pet me. But that's your first inclination is to go up and 79 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:38,639 touch it because you can't believe that it's not paint. 80 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:42,840 The project that I'm really uh involved in is the Poppy project. 81 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:50,960 So I'm you may have seen this project up in different areas. Cambridge did a big 82 00:06:48,479 --> 00:06:56,639 display. The Tower of London did a really big one. So we're up there with 83 00:06:52,560 --> 00:07:02,720 the big wigs. But this uh we went to the community and this has become a very 84 00:06:59,599 --> 00:07:10,000 social and inclusive event. So Mary Maxum Cheler Place Queens View 85 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:14,560 Brandt Seniors Women's Institute Probus Adelide Hunter Hoodless Paris 86 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:20,400 Agricultural Society and the general public have come together to crochet or 87 00:07:17,599 --> 00:07:25,840 knit these poppies. Most of the people donated their time, effort, and money to 88 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:31,039 do that. And now we have collected 11,000 poppies. 89 00:07:28,639 --> 00:07:36,240 What do we do with them? We're going to put them on netting. So, we'll need to 90 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:40,400 purchase netting to do that. Um, the goal is to get as many done as we can, 91 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:45,440 but if we don't, we still have next year to work on that project. But where will 92 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:50,639 we put them? We're concerned about the fact that we would like to put them in 93 00:07:47,039 --> 00:07:54,800 places that really show the respect, remembrance, uh, and reverence that we 94 00:07:52,880 --> 00:08:01,440 would like to to send out to our veterans. So, we're going to try to get 95 00:07:57,759 --> 00:08:05,759 them at the Senate. We will, um, also put them on our smokehouse, which is the 96 00:08:03,199 --> 00:08:09,039 name for our Legion building. And, uh, if there are other areas in the 97 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:13,919 community, we will definitely do that. We will share some of these with Telford 98 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:19,520 Place and with Queens View because they were so in in uh helpful in in getting 99 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:23,680 this project going. So, our fundraising for the poppies has 100 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:29,680 been minimal because most people have donated so much, but now it's time to 101 00:08:25,759 --> 00:08:33,599 buy netting and to buy equipment to help uh 102 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:37,919 attach the poppies to buildings and that. So, we are looking for a little 103 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:41,200 bit of help in that area that perhaps we could um get some kind of a 104 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:46,480 » money >> money. We like money, but if we could 105 00:08:43,839 --> 00:08:53,279 get some type of uh funding for uh for this event, that would be lovely. Uh the 106 00:08:49,839 --> 00:08:59,600 uh poppies can go up the last Friday of October and they're up until the end of 107 00:08:56,640 --> 00:09:05,920 Remembrance Day. When they come down, we have a a bit of a logistics. We have to 108 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:09,839 find a place to dry them because they could be very wet. So, we have to do 109 00:09:07,839 --> 00:09:15,120 that. And then we're also looking for places to store them. But we've put out 110 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:18,800 an appeal to the community and we have lots of totes that are coming in and 111 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:25,839 people are donating totes to help us with that event, that part. So, tomorrow 112 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:32,399 night we are having a um Poppy B at the Legion. So, I believe 113 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:37,760 Lucas has thrown out a challenge to everyone here to come out and help him 114 00:09:35,519 --> 00:09:43,666 because he was there last week. Is that true, Lucas? 115 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:43,666 » Through the mayor. Yes. [laughter] 116 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:49,920 » Anyways, if you can come out and help us in any way, that would be lovely. It's a 117 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:54,000 very social event. There's lots of chatter. There's lots of fun. So, uh if 118 00:09:52,320 --> 00:10:00,240 you could come out, that would be great. So, that's what our um Have I got my 10 119 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:04,880 minutes still? Am I good? >> Okay. Three seconds. Three minutes. 120 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:10,320 Okay. Um uh so if you can come out and help us in any way, that would be great. 121 00:10:06,959 --> 00:10:14,640 This is a these poppies will be used year after year. It's not a one-time 122 00:10:12,399 --> 00:10:19,200 deal just for our 100th anniversary. So, we will put them out on display in the 123 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:23,360 community. And I think that the people who have been very much a part of this 124 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:26,480 will be very they'll be very grateful to see them up 125 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:32,640 there. And I think that they will be very um I think they'll be emotionally 126 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:37,279 uh charged with this as well too. So we have a huge uh amount of veterans in our 127 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:41,279 area and this is just one way for us to help celebrate that and to remember them 128 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:45,600 by. So thank you very much. >> Thank you. Can I get a motion to so we 129 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:51,279 can talk about this? Councelor House, Councelor Coleman. Uh does council have 130 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:55,680 any questions to the delegation? Councelor Haley. 131 00:10:53,839 --> 00:10:58,640 » Yes. Thank you for your presentation. I don't know if you're going to be 132 00:10:56,480 --> 00:11:00,720 including the farmers. They >> Yes, 133 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:04,880 » they have a film and they were here speaking uh two times I think in Brank 134 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:09,279 County in Onadega and then at Langford Schoolhouse. So, 135 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:14,399 » they will be here. Um the Farmerettes were a group of uh young women who if 136 00:11:11,680 --> 00:11:18,880 they had great marks at Christmas time would not have to write exams in the 137 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:23,360 spring and they could go out and work on the farms. And so uh the farmers are 138 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:28,560 also having a display at the Paris Museum on September the 27th. So they 139 00:11:25,839 --> 00:11:33,040 will have uh information about that and I have met women around here who are 140 00:11:31,519 --> 00:11:37,519 farmerrettes. So it's really interesting to see that. 141 00:11:34,959 --> 00:11:40,000 » Any other questions? Okay. Thank you for your delegation. 142 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:43,160 » Thank you. >> Thank you. 143 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:48,640 Which is going to take us to Oh, I'm sorry. I need a motion to 144 00:11:47,408 --> 00:11:53,600 [clears throat] motion to receive the delegation's information. All those in 145 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:58,800 favor? Opposed? It's carried. Something went 146 00:11:56,480 --> 00:12:04,760 wrong there, but we'll catch up. Randy Mason, you're next. 147 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:04,760 Come on up. 148 00:12:06,403 --> 00:12:08,423 [snorts] 149 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:26,959 And if you could just give us your name, please, and your address for the clerk. 150 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:32,760 » Uh, my name is Randy Mason. I live on 16 Mount Elgen Street in Paris. 151 00:12:29,519 --> 00:12:32,760 » Thank you. 152 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:45,519 » Um, never done one of these before. I was told uh I didn't need anything on 153 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:53,600 paper or anything, but um one thing that's been uh bothering me 154 00:12:48,560 --> 00:13:00,720 a little bit is the uh um dog licensing regulations 155 00:12:55,528 --> 00:13:07,360 [snorts] of uh Paris or Brandt um in so much that 156 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:11,560 um we charge more for a license for an unfixed 157 00:13:08,560 --> 00:13:11,560 animal. 158 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:21,360 And this uh 159 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:29,440 increase in the charge is about 35% over a fixed animal. 160 00:13:24,639 --> 00:13:36,800 I'm wondering whether or not this um 161 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:42,560 is still uh necessary to do. Um maybe 50 years ago when I was living 162 00:13:40,560 --> 00:13:49,200 over on the flats and everybody let their dog run free. 163 00:13:45,839 --> 00:13:55,760 Um it might have been a relatively good idea to have people pay a little bit 164 00:13:52,320 --> 00:14:02,240 more to if they didn't have their animal fixed in order to um 165 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:07,320 uh I guess control the pet population a little bit easier. 166 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:07,320 Um, 167 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:16,320 I have a dog myself. I was going to bring 168 00:14:14,079 --> 00:14:22,720 her, but I wasn't sure if I was allowed or not. Um, she has just turned five 169 00:14:20,079 --> 00:14:27,279 years old. I waited until she was 4 and a half 170 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:33,680 years old and I finally had her spayed. 171 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:39,279 Um, I have not been really sold on whether 172 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:43,680 or not spaying an animal or neutering an animal [clears throat] 173 00:14:41,279 --> 00:14:48,560 actually um 174 00:14:45,839 --> 00:14:54,720 does good or more harm. Several cancers have been linked to 175 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:59,760 female dogs that are not fixed and several cancers have been linked to dogs 176 00:14:56,880 --> 00:15:05,839 that are fixed. Um, I had another dog that I did not get 177 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:13,519 fixed and uh, she died two years ago and I'm 178 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:20,399 sure it was some form of cancer. So, I made a mistake there. But I believe that 179 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:26,399 it should be a choice of the dog owners now as to whether or not they actually 180 00:15:23,199 --> 00:15:32,639 spay or neuter their animals. Um, we are a lot more respectable 181 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:41,839 citizens these days, at least most of us, except for those of us who 182 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:47,920 stop and stoop and pick up their animals stuff 183 00:15:44,639 --> 00:15:52,399 and a plastic bag and get a half a half a block down the street and they're sort 184 00:15:50,399 --> 00:15:56,720 of looking around like this and then it gets tossed. 185 00:15:54,480 --> 00:16:00,720 That's probably worse than not picking it up at all. At least the rain would 186 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:08,320 dissolve it. Plastic bags are going to be there until somebody picks them up. 187 00:16:04,639 --> 00:16:14,959 But anyway, I would like to propose that we um amend the dog licensing. Am I on a 188 00:16:13,199 --> 00:16:17,981 timer? >> Sorry. 189 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:17,981 » You're okay. [laughter] 190 00:16:18,079 --> 00:16:27,759 Um, I would like to propose uh uh that we an amendment that we make an 191 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:38,000 amendment to the dog licensing um fees and charge each dog as an 192 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:44,720 individual and an equal to the next dog. Um I think if we most people who are 193 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:49,680 going to have a litter of dogs today 194 00:16:47,279 --> 00:16:56,959 plan it and therefore if it is planned 195 00:16:53,440 --> 00:17:03,680 maybe it is easier or better to attach a small fee to 196 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:09,360 someone who is allowing their animal to have a litter of pups instead of 197 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:16,559 charging um the people who just choose not to 198 00:17:13,839 --> 00:17:21,919 spay their animal because in their minds 199 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:25,439 it's better not to spay them. And that's why it took me four and a 200 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:34,960 half years to decide to do it. and I finally decided that 201 00:17:29,120 --> 00:17:40,960 um I was going to take uh my vets's uh uh information and uh I had Tilly 202 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:46,400 spayed. Now, the other thing I wanted to mention 203 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:52,360 was the fact that um in order to have her spade cost me $625. 204 00:17:54,000 --> 00:18:05,520 Now, if my only choice or my only concern was that I had to pay a higher 205 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:12,960 fee for an unfixed dog over about 12 years, the additional cost in licensing 206 00:18:09,039 --> 00:18:18,960 comes to about a little over $200. So, I would be a lot better off if I did not 207 00:18:16,559 --> 00:18:24,760 have my dog spayed at all and just paid the extra fee. 208 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:24,760 Um 209 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:43,840 and I think that's all I have to say. just uh to uh have the uh council 210 00:18:38,799 --> 00:18:49,600 consider changing their uh fee schedules and 211 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:56,080 maybe charge people who have a litter of puppies. Uh have them pay a 212 00:18:53,520 --> 00:19:01,440 a modest fee for having a litter of puppies. 213 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:07,600 um rather than charge the person who just chooses not to spay their animal. 214 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:11,280 I thank you for your time. >> Oh, thank you. Thank you. Can I get a 215 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:15,840 mover, please, to get on the floor? Councelor House. Second, please. 216 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:20,919 Councelor McCalpine. Any comments or questions for the 217 00:19:17,919 --> 00:19:20,919 delegation? 218 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:27,840 So, so you tonight isn't the night that we would deal with that, but we can take 219 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:32,320 it back and have it looked at and uh get a report. And if you can just sign the 220 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:36,240 paper that's on the podium at the back, we'll keep you in the loop as to what 221 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:39,280 what discussion goes on after after tonight. 222 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:42,559 » I have one more question. >> Absolutely. 223 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:45,520 » Um not to offend anyone. >> Can you can you speak to the microphone 224 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:51,840 so that councelor >> Sorry. Not to offend anyone. 225 00:19:48,799 --> 00:19:56,080 Um, but I've uh been a residence of Paris my whole life. I was born at the 226 00:19:54,160 --> 00:20:00,640 Willlet Hospital, lived over in the flats most of my life. My mom still 227 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:05,320 lives out in the far end of Willow Street. 228 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:05,320 Um, 229 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:14,080 I thought I was the only one that was dumb enough to uh crawl across that 230 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:17,640 train bridge from underneath. 231 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:26,080 Um but uh several months ago I run into a 232 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:31,120 young lady who said, "Oh yeah, we did that last summer." 233 00:20:29,360 --> 00:20:36,880 And when I did it I was 15. Well, now I'm 70 234 00:20:34,559 --> 00:20:42,960 and it's probably one of the more dangerous things I ever did in my life. 235 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:48,799 Um because when you start crawling underneath that bridge and you look down 236 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:57,679 and there's nothing between you and 200 ft of water except for air, 237 00:20:53,039 --> 00:21:04,720 um we may want to uh double check to make sure that that bridge is somewhat 238 00:21:01,039 --> 00:21:09,919 more sealed off than it was years ago. One of the abupments actually has an 239 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:16,480 iron um ladder that goes from the top of the 240 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:21,039 abupman up to the railway tracks and I pushed the flap door open and 241 00:21:19,120 --> 00:21:26,559 stuck my head out and there's a darn train coming. So I had to get down in a 242 00:21:24,159 --> 00:21:33,120 big hurry. But it is uh something of concern. My next my other question if I 243 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:38,640 have another second. it is. Um, this is where I hope not to offend 244 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:45,159 anyone, but um, if 245 00:21:40,159 --> 00:21:45,159 I was to contact 246 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:55,440 certain officials or councilman about a question that I may have, 247 00:21:53,280 --> 00:22:00,320 approximately how much time should I wait for a response? 248 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:05,039 that that depends on what ward you're you're in and who your counselor is. 249 00:22:03,770 --> 00:22:11,440 [clears throat] So, we'll just leave it like that. And uh because I mean you you 250 00:22:09,679 --> 00:22:17,840 some questions are answered quickly, some take time to be researched. So, I 251 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:21,440 don't want to start using council members and and and [clears throat] 252 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:27,600 calling them out by name. >> No, I don't mean to call anyone out 253 00:22:24,799 --> 00:22:33,520 either. Uh, I'm very sorry, but four and a half years ago, 254 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:38,320 I found myself within weeks of being homeless 255 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:44,159 in Paris here due to un 256 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:50,000 unforeseen things that happen in life. 257 00:22:47,039 --> 00:22:55,760 And I think I've waited four and a half 258 00:22:51,760 --> 00:23:05,840 years too long for an answer. Um, same as with this dog issue, I also 259 00:23:01,919 --> 00:23:12,799 asked my counselors what direction I should take 260 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:16,240 and uh, three months has gone by and I end up here because I haven't got an 261 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,760 answer. >> Well, 262 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:23,039 » um, is that [clears throat] is that normal procedure or 263 00:23:20,159 --> 00:23:29,120 » No, it's not. We have our bylaw man here. He's listening to your he's going 264 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:31,440 to get back to you much sooner uh than three months. 265 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:35,600 » Oh, >> but I we really do need your information 266 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:40,320 at the back so that we have your email address and things like that. 267 00:23:37,679 --> 00:23:46,159 » Okay. I do allow you I do thank you very very much for allowing me to speak and 268 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:49,280 uh listening. Thank you very much. >> Thanks, Randy. 269 00:23:48,571 --> 00:23:53,600 [clears throat] Okay, so we have it on the floor. 270 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:58,720 There's no other questions. I I want uh we're going to vote to receive as 271 00:23:55,200 --> 00:24:05,240 information, please. All those in favor? Opposed? Carried. Teresa and Denise, 272 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:05,240 you're up next. 273 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:12,840 Two very dangerous sisters. 274 00:24:14,771 --> 00:24:16,791 [laughter] 275 00:24:17,679 --> 00:24:24,080 » You can just give us your full name, please. Uh Teresa Manning for me of 276 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:29,200 Paris many years ago. >> Thank you. Denise 277 00:24:27,216 --> 00:24:34,000 [snorts] >> Denise Hagert 61 Bradberry Crescent. 278 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:35,679 » Thank you. >> We're good now. 279 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:39,840 » You're good. >> Okay. Good evening, Mr. Mayor, members 280 00:24:37,679 --> 00:24:41,600 of council, and guests. Is that loud enough for you? 281 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:45,760 » Yeah. >> My name is Teresa Manning. I was born 282 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:50,640 and raised in the town of Paris, a place that will always hold a special place in 283 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:55,200 my heart. My younger sister Alisa and I were both both born at Willlet Hospital 284 00:24:53,279 --> 00:24:59,919 and Paris will always be home to our family. As the town continues to grow, 285 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:04,320 I've noticed many new streets being named after families who helped build 286 00:25:01,919 --> 00:25:08,880 and shape our community. Having grown up on Bfield Street, I recognized many of 287 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:14,080 those names, and it inspired me to make this heartfelt request. I respectfully 288 00:25:11,679 --> 00:25:20,640 asked council to consider naming a street Zel in honor of my parents 289 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:24,880 Michael and Mary Zel. My parents moved to Paris in 1950. 290 00:25:23,039 --> 00:25:29,360 My father always believed that if you wanted to be part of a community, you 291 00:25:27,120 --> 00:25:35,039 should get involved. And he lived by those words. My father was also a proud 292 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:39,279 war World War II veteran who answered the call to serve his country. His 293 00:25:37,279 --> 00:25:44,640 military service is permanently recognized on the Paris Veterans 294 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:49,039 Memorial Map, honoring his service and sacrifice during World War II, along 295 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:53,919 with his decades of service to the community, his dedication to both his 296 00:25:51,440 --> 00:26:00,159 country and his hometown as a legacy that continues to inspire our family. 297 00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:04,320 For 40 years, our father managed Matart Building Supplies. There's a name you 298 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:09,200 might not remember. Maybe some of you do. um now known as a home building 299 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:14,480 center. In [clears throat] the days before Sunday shopping, if customers 300 00:26:11,679 --> 00:26:20,080 needed supplies, Dad would gladly open the store, help them, and simply tell 301 00:26:17,039 --> 00:26:26,320 them to pay him on Monday. That kind of trust, generosity, and community spirit 302 00:26:23,120 --> 00:26:29,919 to find who he was. Beyond his career, he was deeply involved in this 303 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:35,520 community. He was an active member of the United Church, the Paris Lions Club, 304 00:26:33,039 --> 00:26:40,880 the Board of Trade, and the Masonic Lodge, where he served as pastmaster. He 305 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:45,440 taught public speaking and volunteered as a judge for student competitions at 306 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:49,520 the old Central School, if anybody remembers that great place. And after 307 00:26:47,679 --> 00:26:54,559 retiring, coordinated the Christmas hampers for the Salvation Army. our 308 00:26:52,559 --> 00:26:59,120 mother, Mary Zelle, who was equally dedicated to our community. Along with 309 00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:04,960 several other women, she helped establish the Lady Lions in 1954. 310 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:09,200 She was an enthusiastic curler, an avid bowler, and always brought warmth, 311 00:27:07,279 --> 00:27:14,640 kindness, and laughter to everyone she met. My parents were caring, loving, and 312 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:19,520 supportive. They were respected members of this community who devoted countless 313 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:25,039 hours to making Paris a better place. Their generosity, compassion, and 314 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:29,760 willingness to help others. Oh boy. 315 00:27:27,919 --> 00:27:35,520 You can do it. Left a lasting impression on everyone who knew them. My sister 316 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:39,760 Denise Hagar still resides in Paris and her family's connection to this 317 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:43,520 wonderful community remains as strong as ever. 318 00:27:41,279 --> 00:27:47,840 It would mean a great deal to our family if council would recognize their legacy 319 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:50,880 by naming a street zel. I don't care if you name a crescent, a boulevard, 320 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:56,000 » a [laughter] parkway, >> a parkway, but we really appreciate you 321 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:59,919 would consider. It's an easy name to spell. 322 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:05,039 Thank you for considering my request. I sincerely appreciate your time and look 323 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:08,640 forward to your response. Thank you. >> You if I can get a motion, please, to 324 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:15,600 get this on the floor to Councelor House and Councelor Bell. Um, there is a 325 00:28:11,279 --> 00:28:19,360 process for this. Uh, and and uh there there's there's two ways this could 326 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:22,799 happen. We could do it with a poppy for your father or if you wanted to do it 327 00:28:21,360 --> 00:28:27,679 for your for your mother, too, we could just do the the last name and and 328 00:28:25,919 --> 00:28:32,880 hopefully we could still get it onto the veterans piece of it. So, we'll be in 329 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:38,320 touch with you to the pro on the pro >> Can I tell you that? We we'll get back 330 00:28:35,679 --> 00:28:42,720 to you on the process and uh I I thank you for for bringing this to our 331 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:47,440 attention because it's important and uh I I think it's a wonderful thing. Does 332 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:53,440 council have anything to add to to these two sisters before we we release them 333 00:28:50,559 --> 00:28:56,159 back into the public? [laughter] >> No. 334 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:58,880 » That's dangerous, right? >> Well, that was easy. 335 00:28:58,389 --> 00:29:02,080 [clears throat] >> Yeah. So, we're we're going to give 336 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:07,039 direction to staff to bring a report back. And again, if we can if we can 337 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:12,559 have you sign the back with your email so we can keep you in the loop, that's 338 00:29:09,679 --> 00:29:18,760 great. Did I call the vote already? No. Call the vote to receive. 339 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,760 Thank you. 340 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:28,720 Takes us to 5.4 on the agenda, which is Grand Paris Grand Estates. 341 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:33,279 Who do Who do we have coming up here? Can we get on the floor, please, 342 00:29:31,039 --> 00:29:37,039 council? Thank you, Councelor Oakley. Councelor McCalpine, and again, you have 343 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:42,679 10 minutes, please, if you could just give us your full name and who you 344 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,679 represent for the clerk. 345 00:30:21,039 --> 00:30:28,399 Uh, good evening, Mayor Bailey and members of council. My name is Alex 346 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:33,360 Lusty. I'm a lawyer at Davies How LLP and I'm here tonight appearing for Paris 347 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:38,480 Grand Estates Incorporated. And they have a a piece of property out on the 348 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:44,399 northeast side of Paris. And I'll just try to pull it up on screen here so 349 00:30:40,399 --> 00:30:50,320 everyone can see where that is. just a quick reference for you. 350 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:54,880 And um they're the developer of the Paris Grand subdivision depicted on 351 00:30:52,480 --> 00:31:01,120 screen there. And I have one request tonight and that's to please remove this 352 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:05,760 subdivision from the CPP framework. Doing that will simplify the buildout of 353 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:09,919 the subdivision and will not delay implementation of the new framework. So 354 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:15,039 I'm going to explain why we're making that request. 355 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:18,720 Fundamentally, the CPP framework is unclear when it comes to transition. 356 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:23,840 What do I mean by that? Well, there's two contradictory ideas in the 357 00:31:20,799 --> 00:31:28,880 framework. The first concept is a discretionary transition for a limited 358 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:33,279 period of time. And the second is a permissible transition until project 359 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:37,919 completion. And I I can't figure out which one applies. So the first concept 360 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:41,760 is based on the wording of section 1.18.5 361 00:31:39,919 --> 00:31:49,440 which makes it clear that the application of zoning bylaw 6116 362 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:55,120 may be relied on. That is no guarantee that past provisions will apply. It's 363 00:31:51,840 --> 00:32:00,399 just a possibility that they might. So if zoning bylaw 6116 applies and you're 364 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:05,760 lucky enough, it can apply until buildout. 365 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:10,240 But that's only if buildout takes less than 5 years because after that time the 366 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:15,200 transition provisions are somehow automatically removed from the bylaw and 367 00:32:12,399 --> 00:32:19,760 you can't rely on them anymore. Um there's no guidance in the transition 368 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:25,640 provisions about what to do if the CPP bylaw has new standards that frustrate a 369 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,640 proposal. 370 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:33,120 That can come down. Um, so when you take that framework 371 00:32:31,279 --> 00:32:37,360 along with the comments from staff that they don't support excluding the 372 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:42,240 subdivision, the concern is that the transition might not be available when 373 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:46,640 it's needed. So that's one framework. The second is a concept based on section 374 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:51,760 119.3 of the bylaw and the response later in 375 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:57,840 the response we received on July 9th. And the July 9th response sums it up 376 00:32:54,399 --> 00:33:02,880 pretty well. It says draft approved subdivisions may continue to rely on 377 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:09,760 sight specific zoning and applicable provisions of former zoning bylaw 6116 378 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:14,640 until full bu buildout. The use of may rather than shall provides flexibility 379 00:33:11,919 --> 00:33:19,600 to use either existing standards or the new CPP standards where they may provide 380 00:33:17,519 --> 00:33:24,960 additional flexibility to a property owner. So under this framework, the pass 381 00:33:23,519 --> 00:33:30,159 zoning applies to the subdivision's complete, but at best that just creates 382 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:34,000 a contradiction. So like I said, it's it's impossible to know which one 383 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:40,000 applies, and that's not a rational solution. And so a solution is needed to 384 00:33:37,519 --> 00:33:46,559 that, which is why I've prepared this alternative motion for you for number 385 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:50,559 10.1 on the agenda that will exclude the Paris Grand subdivision lands. That's 386 00:33:48,799 --> 00:33:56,720 what all the underlining does and that's about it. 387 00:33:53,200 --> 00:34:02,960 So why this motion? Well, I'll tell you is because it conforms with the official 388 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:07,760 plan and the one in the agenda doesn't. So it might be said that these lands 389 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:12,480 need to come into the CPP framework because the 2023 official plan, the new 390 00:34:10,240 --> 00:34:17,119 one, provides for that method of implementation. 391 00:34:14,240 --> 00:34:22,480 Let's look at that a little deeper. You've got to remember that this 392 00:34:19,119 --> 00:34:27,599 subdivision was made and approved under the 2012 official plan. 393 00:34:25,919 --> 00:34:33,440 And that's important because of what section 1.5 and part one of your 394 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:37,200 official plan says. And it says development applications submitted and 395 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:40,639 deemed complete through a planning act application 396 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:45,280 prior to provincial approval of this plan and uh subsequent development 397 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:49,679 applications implementing such development applications like this 398 00:34:46,879 --> 00:34:56,879 subdivision shall be reviewed and this is the key part under the policies of 399 00:34:52,879 --> 00:35:01,599 the 2012 county of Brandt official plan. So the current official plan is clear 400 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:08,160 that it doesn't apply to these lands, right? And that means that passing the 401 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:13,680 bylaw as is creates a a compliance problem with section 24 of the planning 402 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:18,320 act because that section of the planning act requires your bylaws to conform with 403 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:25,520 the official plan and your official plan says don't apply the new official plan 404 00:35:21,119 --> 00:35:31,200 to this property. So that's one problem. The other is a CPP regulation basically 405 00:35:28,720 --> 00:35:37,280 requires the same thing. Requires you to have an official plan that places these 406 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:44,720 lands in a CPP area and that's not happening. So if the CPP framework 407 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:49,200 proceeds as proposed to sum it up, it's contrary to the new official plan. It's 408 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:56,000 contrary to the planning act and it's contrary to the CPP regulation. 409 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:59,599 So, let's just say that one of the concerns with what we're asking for is 410 00:35:57,839 --> 00:36:04,000 that it leads to a dual compliance scenario. And that's a resource issue. I 411 00:36:01,599 --> 00:36:10,800 get it. And basically what it requires is review under the old zoning bylaw and 412 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:14,160 a review under the new CPP framework. And you got to go through all the 413 00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:19,440 numbers and it takes a lot of time and no one wants to do double the amount of 414 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:23,680 work. And I get that. But let's assume we're in a scenario where it's the 415 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:29,359 properties transitioned and we've got that scenario where the 416 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:32,800 lesser standard applies. In order to figure out which is the 417 00:36:30,720 --> 00:36:36,880 lesser standard, you have to go through both and run a comparison anyway. So 418 00:36:35,359 --> 00:36:43,040 you're going through a dual review process if transition applies the way 419 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:48,480 it's intended to. And that means more work and not less. And to be very clear, 420 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:54,320 what we're proposing by removing the subdivision is to clean that up. You 421 00:36:51,200 --> 00:37:00,720 just apply the existing zoning under 6116 like it's meant to be applied in 422 00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:04,320 conformity with your official plan. So, 423 00:37:02,240 --> 00:37:10,640 this subdivision process has been going on for about a decade. 424 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:14,240 And these processes don't change on a dime. 425 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:21,760 We're working through a phased buildout of about 750 homes. Um, roads have been 426 00:37:18,720 --> 00:37:27,440 built. Municipal services have been constructed 427 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:33,839 and all of that is in reliance on the existing framework. That's what has been 428 00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:40,560 used so far. And though it may not be intended, what the CPP framework risks 429 00:37:37,839 --> 00:37:46,240 is destabilizing that prior approval framework. 430 00:37:42,079 --> 00:37:51,040 So to avoid complications, we're proposing a simple solution of 431 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:56,480 removing the subdivision from the CPP framework. Doing so will ensure that at 432 00:37:54,160 --> 00:38:00,320 least for this property, it conforms with the new official plan, doesn't 433 00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:05,280 contravene the planning act, and it doesn't contravene the CPP regulation 434 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:10,560 under the planning act. So I'd suggest to you that under the 435 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:16,880 current circumstances the correct action is to remove these properties from the 436 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:23,520 CPP framework and that's why we prepared this alternative motion um number 10.1 437 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:27,839 and there's a bunch of underlining that's all the additional stuff and what 438 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:34,240 that does is take the Paris grand lands out nothing more that's all it's 439 00:38:30,240 --> 00:38:40,720 supposed to do um so that's all I had intended to say this evening. Thank you. 440 00:38:37,599 --> 00:38:44,079 » Thank you. Questions to the presenter. Councelor Miller, you're first. 441 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:48,560 » Yeah. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Three to the presenter. Just to be clear, um yeah, 442 00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:52,880 you read staff's response obviously. Um and there was I guess staying in it 443 00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:59,119 gives you flexibility, but you're saying you don't want that cut carve you out 444 00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:02,880 and you'll be happy. Is that fair? >> That's a great summary. Yes. 445 00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:08,160 » Okay. Um then uh Mr. Mayor um when when we uh 446 00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:13,599 move to receive maybe we can refer it to 101 as well. 447 00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:18,682 » Any other questions? >> Okay. So we will make a motion to 448 00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:22,400 receive and send to staff or send [clears throat] it to staff. Councelor, 449 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:26,000 » we don't have to send it to staff, Mr. R. We just have to refer it to 101 when 450 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:29,760 that comes up for discussion. >> All right. 451 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:37,800 » Any other questions? All those in favor, 452 00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:37,800 we're just sending it on. Thank you. 453 00:39:38,332 --> 00:39:46,520 [clears throat] 5.5 has been withdrawn. 5.6 has been withdrawn. 454 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:59,440 5.7 is Robert Hamilton, Mark Eddie, and who else? 455 00:39:56,560 --> 00:40:03,599 Just you. Okay, 456 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:07,680 we get a motion to get it on the floor, please. A mover. Councelor Coleman and 457 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:11,839 Councelor Kyle. >> Thank you. 458 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:17,560 And again, you have 10 minutes. Please, if you can just give us your full name 459 00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:17,560 and your address, please, for the clerk, 460 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:23,400 » Mark Eddie, 47 Kitchen School Road. >> Thank you. 461 00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:36,000 Bob Hamilton, 193 Brandt County Road 18. >> Thank you. 462 00:40:31,839 --> 00:40:40,800 » Um, good evening, uh, Mr. Mayor and the Brandt County Counselors. Uh, we 463 00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:45,440 represent the Brand County Federation of Agriculture, and we would like to state 464 00:40:43,359 --> 00:40:51,440 our position on the topic of the new CPPS 465 00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:55,760 uh, process that's being uh, looked at today. A letter was circulated to all 466 00:40:53,920 --> 00:41:03,839 the counselors and the mayor two weeks ago uh on July the 17th which by the way 467 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:10,960 is not listed in the CPP correspondence in section 11 today but everybody I 468 00:41:07,359 --> 00:41:17,599 believe received it. Uh at the same time we received a response from Brandon on 469 00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:23,200 the questions and the comments uh from the planning department and their 470 00:41:19,119 --> 00:41:23,200 position and we thank you for that. 471 00:41:23,599 --> 00:41:31,920 But we still have some talking points that we want to make sure that the 472 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:37,040 council is aware of and concerns that uh we would like you to think about as you 473 00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:44,480 get ready to vote. applying for the CPP countywide. 474 00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:50,640 We feel that the CPPs can work well in the settlement areas to help speed up 475 00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:56,079 the processes of the minor variances in the towns and villages where growth has 476 00:41:53,599 --> 00:42:03,280 been determined. Agricultural and rural designations 477 00:41:59,599 --> 00:42:09,680 are large are not a large growth area but more a land preservation option to 478 00:42:06,240 --> 00:42:14,640 ensure society has enough um land to grow the food for itself and for farms 479 00:42:12,319 --> 00:42:19,000 to be profitable as they grow and prosper throughout Brat County. 480 00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:27,520 This brings us up with one of our our problems on for agricultural land is the 481 00:42:25,599 --> 00:42:33,280 lack of agricultural knowledge and experience of the junior planners 482 00:42:30,720 --> 00:42:40,160 uh that have just graduated in the last couple years and are still learning 483 00:42:37,119 --> 00:42:45,200 what their jobs are. These planners have authority though 484 00:42:42,319 --> 00:42:51,200 under the new CPPS uh to choose whether they wish to handle 485 00:42:47,839 --> 00:42:57,200 an application under class one or class two and that's looked after by the 486 00:42:54,000 --> 00:43:06,000 planning department or if they wish to um 487 00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:13,839 involve a class three and which council would then have input on that that 488 00:43:09,359 --> 00:43:18,640 situation or or uh application. So these are just some things there from 489 00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:24,079 an experienced perspective that uh we don't feel comfortable with. 490 00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:28,880 Uh, another question we have is why is Brandt County the only municipality in 491 00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:36,960 Ontario to convert completely to the CPS CPPS 492 00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:43,200 system when large cities and other counties have taken a more structured 493 00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:49,520 introduction to implementing the CPPs in a limited area to see how it works 494 00:43:46,319 --> 00:43:57,920 from time to time before going complete with the whole thing. 495 00:43:53,119 --> 00:44:03,680 We also would like to uh make sure that uh the planning department uses the 496 00:44:00,240 --> 00:44:09,920 agricultural advisory committee uh as they can help these young planners 497 00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:14,880 uh if they are asked the options and com and comments on applications that 498 00:44:12,240 --> 00:44:19,280 concern agriculture. There has been limited number of 499 00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:25,920 meetings of the agricultural advisory committee this past year. And how does 500 00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:32,400 planning work with the advisory committee 501 00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:38,079 uh to give for them to get egg input and still give the applicants a response 502 00:44:35,119 --> 00:44:43,200 within the 25day framework that they're proposing. 503 00:44:40,319 --> 00:44:49,760 So meeting once every once every four months or three months, pardon me. But 504 00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:55,839 uh having getting back to individuals within less than a month means that that 505 00:44:52,480 --> 00:45:02,280 input and that all that experience from the a advisory may not be utilized to 506 00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:02,280 its fullest. 507 00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:11,920 We also uh have a concern about the notification of the CPPs 508 00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:18,560 applicants to neighbors. Notification of new developments will 509 00:45:14,720 --> 00:45:24,560 only be posted on the website during pre-conlation 510 00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:31,440 with the planning department. My question is, how many Brandt County 511 00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:35,680 citizens look at that website weekly to determine 512 00:45:33,359 --> 00:45:42,800 if any building is going on near their homes or businesses. 513 00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:48,880 At least with the old uh system, anybody within 60 mters uh currently under the 514 00:45:46,319 --> 00:45:56,520 bylaws 6116 are aware of new developments 515 00:45:51,359 --> 00:45:56,520 in an area prior to the approval. 516 00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:08,560 My other question for that on the uh notification is what are the options to 517 00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:13,200 be heard if you miss the notification of the 518 00:46:11,359 --> 00:46:19,359 website and do neighbors have any recourse to be 519 00:46:16,240 --> 00:46:25,599 heard after the fact of a decision being made? With that, 520 00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:31,200 is the same said for council when a class one and two application has been 521 00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:35,920 approved? Do they have any recourse to check with planning if there are 522 00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:40,000 concerns? We at the Brandt County Federation of 523 00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:46,400 Agriculture would like to see a phased in CPPs system for agriculture and rural 524 00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:51,200 areas in the county after a couple of years of usage in the 525 00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:59,520 settlement areas. It could be applied to egg and rural uh 526 00:46:54,560 --> 00:47:05,480 rural designated lands if successful. Thank you from the Federation of Brian 527 00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:05,480 County Agriculture. 528 00:47:07,119 --> 00:47:10,400 Mark, [clears throat] do you want to speak too? 529 00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:14,160 » Yeah. >> There's three minutes left, so I'm going 530 00:47:12,079 --> 00:47:15,839 to ask council to give you an extended time. 531 00:47:14,720 --> 00:47:21,520 » I don't need much time. >> All right. 532 00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:26,160 » Um, so I just want to echo my concern from the Grand County Federation of 533 00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:30,400 Agriculture. Um, we understand that planners and 534 00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:34,960 technical staff are often not farmers. They're not agricultural experts, which 535 00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:42,000 may be a weak point. uh municipal staff uh turnover has been 536 00:47:38,240 --> 00:47:47,040 very high. Um the careful consideration of an egg advisory committee input will 537 00:47:45,119 --> 00:47:52,880 be critical if you move forward with this. I just wanted to add that to what 538 00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:57,280 Bob said. >> Thank you. Council questions for the 539 00:47:55,520 --> 00:48:00,723 delegation. Councelor Miller. 540 00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:04,560 » Thank you, Miss Mr. Mayor. [clears throat] Um Bob, I trust you're 541 00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:09,680 going to put in your your resume to the planning department. Help help them out. 542 00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:12,880 Um that was a really good presentation. You had a lot of good information, but 543 00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:18,880 it sounds like what you're looking for is a carve out, not unlike what Paris 544 00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:22,720 Estates was looking for earlier for um anything that's not a settlement area. 545 00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,400 Is that correct? >> Uh 546 00:48:23,119 --> 00:48:29,920 » for two years, give or take. >> Yes. Yes. And and I think it has been uh 547 00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:34,720 put forward by the planning department. they're going to evaluate and try to 548 00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:40,960 make sure everybody's aware of how the system is working. Uh we're just saying 549 00:48:37,599 --> 00:48:46,400 we'd like not to be in that part of it while it's being utilized throughout the 550 00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:50,640 uh town of Paris, uh Berford, St. George, or even some of the smaller 551 00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:55,520 villages where there's uh settlement areas that have already been designated 552 00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:58,720 and approved under the official plan. >> Okay. Just want to be clear on that. 553 00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:03,119 Okay. Thank you, >> Councelor Haley. 554 00:49:01,839 --> 00:49:09,359 » Thank you for your presentation. Very well done. Um, I spoke with the uh 555 00:49:06,319 --> 00:49:15,440 senior planner today about this and I just need to understand um appeals 556 00:49:12,240 --> 00:49:21,200 because I understand um if there's an application on agricultural land right 557 00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:26,880 now and if we say no uh I you can go to the OOLT but I believe with the CPPS 558 00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:31,920 uh you don't. So I think my question is more directed to the senior planner 559 00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:35,920 related to your question >> Brandon 560 00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:39,599 » uh through the mayor. So that that is correct. Under this new system, the way 561 00:49:37,839 --> 00:49:43,520 that it will be structured is that amendments to the bylaw cannot be made 562 00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:47,280 within the first 5 years and that cannot be appealed to the OOLT. So if someone 563 00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:51,920 comes in with a request, as you've given an example, on agricultural land for a 564 00:49:50,079 --> 00:49:55,839 non-aggricultural use, it would require an amendment to the bylaw and no 565 00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:59,839 amendment can be made. That is not the process that is in place today. That can 566 00:49:58,079 --> 00:50:03,760 be appealed to the OOLT under the current zoning bylaw. 567 00:50:01,599 --> 00:50:08,800 » Councelor Haley, >> just as a followup, I I didn't know that 568 00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:13,599 information, but um um I find that a useful tool that you 569 00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:18,960 that it cannot be appealed if if we say no or if if staff say no to development 570 00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:22,240 on agricultural land, at least somebody doesn't run to the OOLT. That's 571 00:50:20,559 --> 00:50:25,839 something that I just learned today. Councelor 572 00:50:24,079 --> 00:50:30,160 Bell. >> Uh, thank you, Mr. May. Probably a 573 00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:35,520 question for Brandon related to this this commentary. H how many applications 574 00:50:33,119 --> 00:50:39,880 as a percentage of the total do we get from the agricultural area 575 00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:45,040 » through the mayor? What I could do, I don't have that off hand. We do have 576 00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:50,720 that information. Um, I can look that up for and follow up during the the CPF's 577 00:50:48,079 --> 00:50:57,520 conversation if if that's all right. um as a high level percentage I would I 578 00:50:53,119 --> 00:51:03,520 would say um at least with with consents consideration in it with CFA and minor 579 00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:08,880 variances is probably 50/50 and so that is um I guess one thing 580 00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:12,559 maybe I would add here and we can talk about this a bit more during the CPS 581 00:51:10,559 --> 00:51:16,480 conversation but when we first actually started this project we did contemplate 582 00:51:14,559 --> 00:51:21,760 a pilot project and the pilot project we were contemplating was the rural area um 583 00:51:19,839 --> 00:51:26,319 it's a bit of a lowerhanging fruit. It's a bit simpler to to apply some of those 584 00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:29,200 standards. Um and as councelor Haley has pointed out, there's some opportunity 585 00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:34,880 for more protective measures with the CPPs that we saw would be a very um 586 00:51:32,079 --> 00:51:39,520 crucial benefit to the rural area. >> Just a related question, Mr. Mayor, if I 587 00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:43,760 may, again for Brandon, um what is the relative complexity of the agricultural 588 00:51:41,599 --> 00:51:47,440 applications compared to those from the urban area? 589 00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:50,640 » Uh through the mayor, the complexity of those we would say 590 00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:55,119 given that they generally end up with CFA, they're minor in nature. Um, and 591 00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:58,559 with that in mind that those would be considered the kind of class two 592 00:51:56,400 --> 00:52:04,559 applications under the CPPs, which would be um delegated to staff. But just a 593 00:52:02,319 --> 00:52:08,319 note on that, it's not an isolated staff member making a decision. It's the 594 00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:12,559 entire department division looking at things um and it goes through kind of a 595 00:52:10,559 --> 00:52:15,119 chain of command that way. We would also have the opportunity to have that 596 00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:20,720 agricultural input through the agricultural advisory committee. Um and 597 00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:24,319 if need be down in the future um we could always budget for for additional 598 00:52:22,720 --> 00:52:28,960 review um for an agricultural specialist. Um so just to consider that 599 00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:32,640 those minor kind of applications would still have that wholesome review um and 600 00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:37,359 they wouldn't be decided upon in isolation. Just to make that point. 601 00:52:34,720 --> 00:52:42,240 » So just one very final comment if I may. Uh my understanding having read um the 602 00:52:40,240 --> 00:52:47,760 CPPS and having conversations with yourself is that the system that we're 603 00:52:45,359 --> 00:52:52,880 proposing actually simplifies the approach that needs to be taken 604 00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:57,359 » through the mayor. That is correct. It's new so it seems confusing but it is a 605 00:52:55,359 --> 00:53:02,800 simpler approach. >> Councelor Haley 606 00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:07,920 » through you. Um so I just wonder if we're able to answer um the deleg de 607 00:53:05,119 --> 00:53:13,839 delegation's questions about uh agricultural impact assessment and 608 00:53:10,240 --> 00:53:16,720 notification and time frame consultation with agriculture advisory committee. 609 00:53:15,359 --> 00:53:21,520 When when could we answer those questions for them being as we are 610 00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:26,119 voting on it tonight? Is that a question for the senior 611 00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:26,119 planner or 612 00:53:28,240 --> 00:53:32,240 » there's a there's a letter in your communications that answers that. 613 00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:35,599 » Okay. >> Yeah. 614 00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:40,839 » And and uh so then as a followup, do you feel that the letter has addressed your 615 00:53:37,839 --> 00:53:40,839 concerns? 616 00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:53,280 There were uh several comments made that were very nebulous uh loose and not 617 00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:59,119 speci specific and uh it could have been and I'm not 618 00:53:56,160 --> 00:54:06,480 sure that and I could be wrong on this that all the uh potential new bylaws 619 00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:12,240 under the CPP has been created for all the situations or are they still working 620 00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:17,760 on those. I It's unclear because nothing was ever uh been provided that way. 621 00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:22,000 » Okay. And just as a followup because we we need some of these answers because we 622 00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:27,280 vote tonight. So I don't know if there's any more response that we could get from 623 00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:31,599 the senior planner on this uh to help us uh with anything that's the gaps that 624 00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:36,640 that uh the delegation has. >> There's good there's going to be an 625 00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:38,079 opportunity. later. Councelor Chambers, m 626 00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:43,119 » Mr. Mayor, I'm getting a little bit confused on the process here. We have a 627 00:54:40,240 --> 00:54:47,200 delegation that presents information and we it's important that we understand 628 00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:52,480 what the delegation is saying, but to start asking questions of staff and 629 00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:57,839 discussing the issue of the CCPS is a little bit beyond what we're supposed to 630 00:54:55,200 --> 00:55:02,240 be doing with regard to the delegation. you have a delegation standing there 631 00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:06,400 while counselors are asking staff questions which I think is unfair to the 632 00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:14,000 delegation. So I would encourage my colleagues to not debate the issue of 633 00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:18,640 CCPS but understand and ask questions of the presentation and then when they're 634 00:55:16,559 --> 00:55:25,920 finished the presentation then we can debate and discuss ask questions on the 635 00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:32,880 C PPS. So just procedurally I think it's confusing to uh start going beyond what 636 00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:39,280 the delegations are are trying to >> especially since it is on the agenda 637 00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:43,599 coming up shortly for so anyway we're done. We're going to go information 638 00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:47,680 councelor Miller >> make a motion to receive and to uh I 639 00:55:45,839 --> 00:55:51,040 would like to refer this one as well to 10.1. 640 00:55:48,559 --> 00:55:54,160 » Thank you all those in favor. >> Thank you. 641 00:55:51,839 --> 00:55:57,599 » Thank you. Thank you. >> Takes us to number six on the agenda, 642 00:55:56,000 --> 00:56:01,359 which is the adoption of the minutes from previous meetings. Uh we're going 643 00:56:00,079 --> 00:56:04,880 to do them all at the same time. Councelor Mccalpine. 644 00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:08,720 » Okay. Moved by myself and seconded by Councelor Bell that the following 645 00:56:06,319 --> 00:56:13,760 minutes be approved. County of Brandt Council Minutes of June 23rd, 2026. 646 00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:20,799 County of Brand Special Council Minutes of July 6, 2026. County of Brand Special 647 00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:27,240 Council Minutes of July 7th, 2026. County of Branch special counsel minutes 648 00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:27,240 of July 10th, 2026. 649 00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:31,000 » All those in favor? 650 00:56:32,319 --> 00:56:39,799 Is there any business arising? >> Is there any business arising from any 651 00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:39,799 of those minutes? 652 00:56:41,599 --> 00:56:51,920 Seeing none, we'll go to consent items. We have uh 8.1, please. I need a mover 653 00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:55,720 to get on the table. Councelor Coleman and Councelor Oakley. 654 00:57:00,799 --> 00:57:05,400 Everyone's clear on what it is. The bridge. 655 00:57:07,119 --> 00:57:14,319 There's two of them. There's 8.11 and there's 8.12. Councelor Miller. 656 00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:18,559 » Question on 812. Uh Mr. Mayor. >> Yeah. 657 00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:22,880 » Um that study for paraces. Um, we're looking at awarding it uh to Dylan 658 00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:27,599 Consulting. What's What's the time frame? Do we have something for that? It 659 00:57:26,079 --> 00:57:32,079 might be in the report, but I read it like 4 days ago. So, 660 00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:34,880 » who has that, Brandon? >> Uh, through the mayor. Yes, thank you 661 00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:41,200 for that question. Um, right now we're anticipating a year and a half um as the 662 00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:44,640 time frame for for some final reporting. >> Okay. Um, yeah, hopefully that keeps us 663 00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:50,119 out of trouble on other fronts. So, thank you. Thank you, Brad. Yeah, 664 00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:50,119 councelor Pierce. 665 00:57:50,319 --> 00:57:57,359 » Yeah, thank you, Mr. Mayor. So, I guess my my question here in that with that 666 00:57:54,640 --> 00:58:03,119 year and a half being stated, um does that suggest that any um anything that 667 00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:08,359 might come in within that time span would be deemed premature for that area? 668 00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:13,839 » Through the mayor, that will depend which system we are under. Under the 669 00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:18,480 community planning permit system, we do have stronger tools for that. Um, under 670 00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:23,559 the current system, prematurity is only applicable to plans of subdivision under 671 00:58:20,079 --> 00:58:23,559 the planning act. 672 00:58:26,079 --> 00:58:30,520 » Okay. >> Unfortunate. 673 00:58:30,799 --> 00:58:40,079 » Any other questions, concerns? 674 00:58:35,599 --> 00:58:44,640 We're voting on both 8.1 and 8.1.2. Same mover, same seconder. All those in 675 00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:52,079 favor? opposed. Carried. 8.2 consent items to 676 00:58:49,119 --> 00:58:55,200 be received. There's 20 of them and I'm sure we're not going to be 677 00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:59,760 voting on them all at the same time. Does anyone want any of the 20 pulled? 678 00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:05,040 Councelor Miller. >> Um, I'll I'll pull uh the last one. Uh, 679 00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:09,359 GRCA transition committee. >> 8.2.20. 680 00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:13,839 Councelor Haley. >> Uh, 8.2.5. 681 00:59:11,599 --> 00:59:17,680 » 8.2.5. Anyone? Councelor Bell? 682 00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:20,880 » 8.2.1, please. >> 0.1. 683 00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:25,680 » Yes, please. >> Anyone else? 684 00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:29,760 We're going to vote on everything. Oh, I'm sorry, Councelor Pierce. 685 00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:33,760 » Um, thank you. Uh, the library minutes from May 27th. I'm just trying I've just 686 00:59:32,079 --> 00:59:37,440 got one screen here. My apologies. I'm just trying to see what number it is. 687 00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:39,200 » It's 8.2.3. >> Thank you. 688 00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:46,480 » So, we're going to vote on everything but 8.2.1, 689 00:59:41,119 --> 00:59:51,839 8.2.3, 8.2.5. 2.5 and 8.2.20. All those in favor to receive 690 00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:55,359 opposed and carried. And we're going to go back to 8.2.1 691 00:59:54,240 --> 01:00:00,319 first, please. >> Yeah. Thank you, Mr. M. It's the asset 692 00:59:57,119 --> 01:00:04,559 management plan update. Um, it caused me to look back at some of the other 693 01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:10,799 documentation we had a year ago. I looked at the report from July 2025 on 694 01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:17,119 asset management financial strategy. And in that strategy, it assumes a growth of 695 01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:21,359 1 assessment growth of 1.7%. And I think just a couple of weeks ago, we had a 696 01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:26,960 report from finance which indicated that the average assessment growth was 4% 697 01:00:24,319 --> 01:00:30,480 which is actually good news. Uh and my question then is will we get an update 698 01:00:28,559 --> 01:00:36,400 of this asset management financial strategy ahead of the next budget? 699 01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:43,119 » Heather, >> through the mayor. Uh the next uh update 700 01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:48,160 to the asset management plan will be um worked through as part of the update to 701 01:00:44,799 --> 01:00:55,520 the long-term financial plan. Um as we'll have like a smaller update to the 702 01:00:50,799 --> 01:00:57,617 AM financial plan as part of that >> 8.2.3 [clears throat] 703 01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:02,880 that's the light councelor Pierce that's the library board minutes that you're 704 01:01:02,079 --> 01:01:08,240 asking. >> Yep. Thank you Mr. Mayor. So I'm curious 705 01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:15,280 here uh bear with me two seconds here. Uh so within the business arising from 706 01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:19,359 that meeting uh it says uh when it talked about uh uh the new website 707 01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:25,440 development the successful RFP application was Muga a British Columbia 708 01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:30,880 based firm. Um is there nothing in Ontario that uh that does the same 709 01:01:27,599 --> 01:01:35,359 thing? I'm curious about that. And then uh when it talked about uh uh the next 710 01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:40,480 paragraph when it talks about the extended hours for the um municipal 711 01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:44,400 election night, it said the library will absorb the one-time increase to expand 712 01:01:42,799 --> 01:01:49,440 services on the election day. I'm curious as to what the cost is on that. 713 01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:54,240 And then also on the next page, Mr. Mayor, if I could when it talks about 714 01:01:51,440 --> 01:02:00,400 the the issues at the Berford branch uh for the the issues on the septic 715 01:01:57,280 --> 01:02:03,760 failure, is that the same septic that the county office uses there? I'd like a 716 01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:07,680 little more information on that if I could as to uh was that split from the 717 01:02:06,319 --> 01:02:10,559 county and the library or was that solely the library? If I could get more 718 01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:17,400 info, please. >> Thank you. Who's going to speak to the 719 01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:17,400 minutes of the first library board? 720 01:02:19,599 --> 01:02:25,359 Kelly, do you want to come up? You have the answer. The answers for councelor 721 01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:29,000 Pierce. >> Yep. Come on up. 722 01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:41,200 » There was I guess there was three questions. You remember? 723 01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:43,280 » Yes, I think so. >> Yeah, I can repeat them if you wish, Mr. 724 01:02:42,799 --> 01:02:46,079 Mayor. >> Pardon me. 725 01:02:44,559 --> 01:02:50,240 » I can repeat the questions if you wish. I think Kelly's got them down. 726 01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:54,559 » Perfect. >> Okay. Through the mayor to councelor 727 01:02:52,319 --> 01:03:00,400 Pierce. Your first question was about the award of our website development 728 01:02:56,720 --> 01:03:04,720 contract to Mugo. Uh we uh yes, we undertook a competitive purchasing 729 01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:10,079 process for that that included an RFP and received applications from across 730 01:03:06,799 --> 01:03:15,839 the country. uh Mugo was selected as the winner based on scoring and which is a 731 01:03:13,599 --> 01:03:22,079 combination of experience, pricing and and presented plan. So we did consider 732 01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:27,839 firms that were closer to us than them but Mugo score was uh so far ahead of 733 01:03:26,079 --> 01:03:31,599 the others that they were the appropriate winner. 734 01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:34,960 » Okay. So if I could, Mr. Mayor, so just to be clear that this company was so far 735 01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:38,799 out in front of the other ones, they were the clear winner right off the hop. 736 01:03:39,119 --> 01:03:45,520 Kelly. >> Uh, yes, that's correct. 737 01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:49,200 » Okay, thank you for that. And the next one was the cost of the uh being in the 738 01:03:47,599 --> 01:03:53,440 extended hours on election day. >> Yeah, the approximate cost for that is 739 01:03:50,799 --> 01:03:58,240 about $3,000 and the library board voted to absorb the cost of that for this 740 01:03:56,559 --> 01:04:00,799 election season. >> Okay, thank you for that. And do you 741 01:03:59,839 --> 01:04:04,880 remember the last one? >> It was about the septic. 742 01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:10,799 » Yes. Yes, the uh septic in question at Berford does share components with the 743 01:04:08,319 --> 01:04:17,280 county office located on Park Avenue in Berford. The backup was the backup 744 01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:25,400 originated on the county's end of a branch where the system runs from the 745 01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:25,400 main line to the library. 746 01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:33,440 » Okay. And now and if I could through you Mr. Mayor to Kelly. So, was the library 747 01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:36,480 did the library foot the full bill on this 748 01:04:34,319 --> 01:04:40,400 » uh through the mayor? The li the bills have been paid on the library accounts. 749 01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:46,480 We are in discussion with county staff about um any potential um funding 750 01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:50,319 sources for that. >> Okay. If I could, Mr. Mayor, I'd like to 751 01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:54,240 understand how those conversations work out because if it's uh uh yeah, I would 752 01:04:53,119 --> 01:04:57,839 I would just like a little bit more information as to, you know, if in fact 753 01:04:56,240 --> 01:05:01,680 this is on the library or if it's split or if it's on the county. I'd like more 754 01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:06,799 info if I could please. >> U through through the mayor. Um I've 755 01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:13,119 been in conversations with Heather Boyd, unfortunately, who is not here tonight. 756 01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:18,079 Uh so um our understanding from the plumbers is that the the blockage 757 01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:23,480 originated on the county's end and caused a backup into the libraries 758 01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:23,480 section. 759 01:05:24,559 --> 01:05:30,720 » Okay. I I guess uh I I can I can follow up with Heather on that through you, Mr. 760 01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:35,760 Mayor, because I would like to understand if in fact that is the case, 761 01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:38,480 then I think we should revisit the the payment. 762 01:05:36,319 --> 01:05:42,240 » Yeah, we'll we'll talk to Heather Boyd and it'll be in the Friday file for you. 763 01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:43,839 » Perfect. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. >> Yeah, thank you. 764 01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:46,880 » Thank you, Kelly. >> Thanks, Kelly. 765 01:05:45,359 --> 01:05:51,359 » 8.2.5, uh City of Brford. Uh that was councelor 766 01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:55,599 Haley. >> Yes, thank you. I thought it was a very 767 01:05:52,720 --> 01:06:01,680 good report on a very important topic. I had two questions. Um, uh, how will the 768 01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:06,480 CPPS affect affordable housing supply? That's page 218, 769 01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:10,160 page 219. They sort of refer to that. Um, that was one question. Should I give 770 01:06:08,559 --> 01:06:14,960 you the second question as well? >> Uh, sure. 771 01:06:11,359 --> 01:06:22,720 » Okay. um the CIP in Brford uh they use the CIP for affordable housing and I 772 01:06:19,359 --> 01:06:28,640 wonder um how Brand County might use the CIP to help with affordable housing. 773 01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:33,079 Those are my two questions. >> Who's going to speak to that? 774 01:06:35,039 --> 01:06:42,720 » Um through your worship. So, uh, not having read the entirety of of the 775 01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:47,440 Brford resolutions, just speaking generally at the high level, um, the 776 01:06:45,599 --> 01:06:51,599 facility and services matters would encourage, um, developers to move 777 01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:56,000 towards the affordability model. Um, Brandon can perhaps provide more 778 01:06:53,599 --> 01:07:03,680 details. However, there is encouragement um, in that capacity. Uh, with respect 779 01:06:59,839 --> 01:07:07,920 to the CIP question, uh, Allison will answer that. 780 01:07:09,119 --> 01:07:17,200 Thank you. Through your worship to council. Um so in regards to a CIP 781 01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:22,079 it's got um very specific restrictions on how it could be used. Um I don't know 782 01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:29,440 how the applicability would be. It's meant to incent uh things that may not 783 01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:35,440 otherwise happen in a specific area. Um but it it does contain a portion of 784 01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:40,400 public investment. So, um I haven't seen this uh used for affordable housing, but 785 01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:45,760 I could definitely look into it and see, um how other municipalities may be 786 01:07:42,559 --> 01:07:50,799 utilizing CIP. Um again, I'm I'm not entirely sure how how it may be 787 01:07:47,839 --> 01:07:53,760 applicable given the the split um with public private investment, but I can 788 01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:57,280 certainly look into it and get back to council. 789 01:07:55,359 --> 01:08:00,400 » You uh I just thought that would be a great tool if they're using it. If 790 01:07:58,720 --> 01:08:03,200 Franc's Branford's using it, I thought that's a great tool for us. So just a 791 01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:06,960 suggestion. >> Okay, councelor Pierce. 792 01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:13,119 » Uh thank you Mr. Mayor. On that same topic, if I could in the report it talks 793 01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:16,880 of I believe it's 5 and it says uh the plan builds on progress made over the 794 01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:21,679 last decade which includes 559 new affordable housing units completed or 795 01:08:18,799 --> 01:08:29,319 underway. Can somebody remind me again how many of those are within the county 796 01:08:26,319 --> 01:08:29,319 approximately? 797 01:08:31,440 --> 01:08:36,480 uh through your worship to council. I don't have that number in front of me, 798 01:08:34,319 --> 01:08:40,000 but I can certainly get it to you. >> 49. 799 01:08:38,239 --> 01:08:42,080 » Councelor Councelor Bell has that information. 800 01:08:41,279 --> 01:08:44,400 » What is it? >> 49. 801 01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:47,679 » 49. Councelor Pierce. >> 49. Okay. Yeah, I didn't think it was. 802 01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:51,839 Okay. Thank you. >> Any other questions? 803 01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:55,040 Okay, we're back down to [clears throat] 8.2.20. 804 01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:58,719 Councelor Miller. >> Yeah. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I I could 805 01:08:57,120 --> 01:09:04,719 have taken any one of the GRCA ones. Just a a couple uh things I want to 806 01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:10,239 point out uh to council. Um one is that the the lead the transition 807 01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:15,520 lead uh for the transition committee is is Samantha Lawson from GRCA. Um I've 808 01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:18,640 gotten to know S uh Sam pretty good over the last four years. I think she's an 809 01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:23,759 excellent choice. She's very fair, very balanced, and extremely knowledgeable 810 01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:28,080 about uh conservation authorities. um she the the province was actually taking 811 01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:34,640 her advice when they were looking for advice on how to uh implement it. So I 812 01:09:30,719 --> 01:09:40,239 thought that was pretty good. Um as well um we heard at our last GRCA meeting 813 01:09:38,319 --> 01:09:46,640 that uh there's an implementation date of February 1st, 2027 and it will most 814 01:09:43,839 --> 01:09:52,080 likely not happen then. So sometime in 2027 but most likely not February 1st. 815 01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:58,480 And then the last thing I want to say is um and we seen it here uh in tonight's 816 01:09:55,280 --> 01:10:03,280 package. Um there's a GRCA draft budget. It's quite early and uh there was a 817 01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:09,199 direction from the ministry that come out June 26th to have the budget 818 01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:14,080 timeline accelerated. So kudos to uh GRCA for getting that out, the draft 819 01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:17,280 budget. I will say it's it's very drafty uh based on the questions I had the 820 01:10:15,679 --> 01:10:22,000 other day, but uh that's why we're seeing it. So there's an accelerated 821 01:10:18,719 --> 01:10:28,000 timeline for the 2027 budget because of the transition, because of the election. 822 01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:32,159 » Thank you. Any other questions? What we'll [clears throat] do is we'll call 823 01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:37,600 the vote on 8.2.1, 8.2.3, 8.2.5, and 8.2.20. 824 01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:40,480 Although Oh, councelor Haley. >> Oh, sorry. I was voting. 825 01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:44,000 » Are you voting? Okay. All those in favor? 826 01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:49,120 You can vote again. There you go. Thank you. 827 01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:53,360 Um, takes us to 9.1 on the agenda, which is the first committee report. That's 828 01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:58,080 the paramedic services committee report, and that's going to be councelor Miller. 829 01:10:56,159 --> 01:11:02,400 » Yeah. Uh, thank you, Mr. Mayor. Moved by myself, second by councelor Pierce, that 830 01:10:59,679 --> 01:11:08,400 the paramedic services committee meeting minutes and report of July 15, 2026 be 831 01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:11,040 approved, noting that there is one recommendation. 832 01:11:09,440 --> 01:11:15,040 » Thank you. Are there any questions for councelor Miller on his report? 833 01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:20,480 Councelor Haley. >> Yes. Uh on page 326, uh the 12-hour 834 01:11:18,159 --> 01:11:25,040 ambulance, what happens now if it's delayed until October? 835 01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:28,960 » Councelor Miller. Um it is delayed till it is coming out 836 01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:32,320 October. >> Okay, 837 01:11:29,360 --> 01:11:37,360 » that's the schedule. Um what what we heard from the paramedic chief Longway 838 01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:43,040 is that the system is running. It's running fine. Um but there are stressors 839 01:11:40,480 --> 01:11:47,840 in the evening shift and uh as we see the population aging, as we see the 840 01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:53,120 population growing, we know that uh it is much needed. So um keep in mind this 841 01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:58,000 was a half ambulance that uh we're actually supposed to put on in 2025, got 842 01:11:56,080 --> 01:12:03,760 delayed till 2026, and now it's been delayed till October 1st, 2026. 843 01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:08,000 » Thank you. Any other questions for councelor Miller on his report? 844 01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:14,719 So then call the vote to receive the report. All those in favor? 845 01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:20,080 Thank you. 9.2 which is the administration and operations committee 846 01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:23,760 report of July the 21st. And that's going to be councelor Pierce. 847 01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:27,199 » Yep. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Moved by myself, seconded by councelor HS that 848 01:12:25,440 --> 01:12:31,280 the July 21st administration and operation committee report be received, 849 01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:35,199 noting there's 17 recommendations. >> Any questions to councelor Pierce on his 850 01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:38,800 report? Councelor Miller. >> Mr. Mayor. Um, could we take out item 13 851 01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:41,800 and vote on that separately? >> Right. 852 01:12:42,719 --> 01:12:46,800 » Take out 13. >> Item 13. Yes. 853 01:12:46,159 --> 01:12:52,000 » Okay. >> Yeah. Councelor Miller did uh did call 854 01:12:49,679 --> 01:12:56,480 that at the meeting as well. >> Any other questions or concerns? We're 855 01:12:54,560 --> 01:13:01,120 going to vote on everything but 13. All those in favor? 856 01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:05,600 Opposed? Carried. And then councelor Pierce or councelor Miller. 857 01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:08,159 What? He's just as a conflict, Mr. Mayor. 858 01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:14,320 » Just a conflict. >> Okay. Well, then we have to go back and 859 01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:18,880 do 13, too. We have to vote on 13 also. All those in favor? 860 01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:23,560 » Sorry about that. Council, I forgot that you had a conflict. 861 01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:33,840 » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. >> Yeah. 10.2 is um Oxbow Road Branch 862 01:13:30,719 --> 01:13:41,920 School. Sorry. 10.1 863 01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:45,360 » 10.1 Oh, I'm sorry. Oh, 10.1. >> Okay, so this is where do we want to 864 01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:50,080 break before we go into all of this or are we all right? 865 01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:57,159 I'm the one with laryngitis. Everybody's okay to keep going. 866 01:13:53,199 --> 01:13:57,159 Okay. So, we're at 10.1. 867 01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:07,480 » 11 point. I'm sorry. >> 11.5. 868 01:14:02,080 --> 01:14:07,480 » 11.5. That's the one we moved up. 869 01:14:08,719 --> 01:14:17,600 11.5. Everyone's okay with 11.5. Do you want to talk about it or just vote on 870 01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:21,199 it? Any conversation about 11.5? Councelor Oakley. 871 01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:25,280 » Um, thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, I'll just pull out of that. um the the 872 01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:28,960 correspondence that we got from Six Nations of the Grand River elected 873 01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:32,640 council. Um I've we've already had this debate plenty around the table and I've 874 01:14:30,480 --> 01:14:39,199 lost that debate, but just to highlight um that the concerns over uh uh making 875 01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:43,600 our parking requirements too stringent and thus uh causing urban sprawl. Thank 876 01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:48,239 you. >> Okay. Any other comments on 11.5? 877 01:14:47,440 --> 01:14:53,600 Seeing [clears throat] none, call the vote to receive. All those in favor? 878 01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:56,960 Sorry. >> Oh, we need on the floor. Sorry. 879 01:14:55,040 --> 01:15:01,600 Councelor Oakley, need a seconder. Councelor House. Thank you. And we voted 880 01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:06,880 and it's unanimous. Okay, we're going to go back now to 881 01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:09,920 1110.1. Councelor Kyle. 882 01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:14,880 » Sorry, Mr. Mayor. It was the correspondence about the CPPS. I think 883 01:15:12,159 --> 01:15:19,520 it was 11.4. There's one, two, three, and four. The letters that were related 884 01:15:17,199 --> 01:15:25,520 to CPPS. >> Okay. 11.4.1 885 01:15:22,719 --> 01:15:28,679 2 3 and four. >> It's 11.5. 886 01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:37,199 » It's 11.5. >> It is here. 887 01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:44,760 » Sorry, your worship. It's 11.5, but it's um listed as subheadings as 11.5.1 888 01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:44,760 through to 11.5. 889 01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:50,719 » Okay, it's 11.4 for in my package, but that's as long as we've got that before 890 01:15:48,480 --> 01:15:55,280 the CPPS was all I was going for because they're all the letters that are with 891 01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:59,040 respect to the CPPS discussion. >> Yeah, 892 01:15:56,560 --> 01:16:00,800 » I think I think there's everyone's package might be a little different 893 01:16:00,320 --> 01:16:03,679 tonight. >> No, [laughter] 894 01:16:01,679 --> 01:16:06,960 » mine got very councelor Miller, >> there there's an amended package and I 895 01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:09,120 think you're not looking at the amended package. 896 01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:15,280 » Yeah, >> that's right. Okay. 897 01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:21,199 So, are we going to go back to 10.1? 10.1 Brandon, you're up. 898 01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:25,960 Can I get a mover to get on the floor, please? Councelor Bell and Councelor 899 01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:25,960 House. 900 01:16:26,363 --> 01:16:28,383 [clears throat] 901 01:16:29,199 --> 01:16:34,960 Okay. Do you have a presentation, Brandon? Are 902 01:16:33,840 --> 01:16:39,280 you here for questions? >> Uh, through the mayor. I have no 903 01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:43,120 presentation. Um, I'm happy to address some of the commentary and questions 904 01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:46,480 that have come up so far, but otherwise, if I can start with that. Um, 905 01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:49,679 » okay. >> If council would like to ask specific 906 01:16:48,239 --> 01:16:52,719 » the floor has a secondary, why don't you start with the questions that have been 907 01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:55,520 brought up tonight and then we'll go back to council for our 908 01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:58,640 » questions. Thank you. >> Um, and through the mayor, if I I do 909 01:16:57,280 --> 01:17:01,920 miss anything that has come up tonight, we can circle back to that. But please 910 01:17:00,159 --> 01:17:06,560 just remind me of that and we can have that conversation. So um what I I'll 911 01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:11,040 start with is just the the discussion about kind of keeping two separate 912 01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:14,640 systems. Um so what I'd like to note about that is um one of the main reasons 913 01:17:13,199 --> 01:17:18,800 that we are moving towards this community planning permit system as a 914 01:17:16,239 --> 01:17:22,800 unified system is to help simplify planning in the county of Brandt. Um 915 01:17:21,440 --> 01:17:25,040 that was one of the biggest points of feedback we've heard through this 916 01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:28,880 project. We've heard that through the official plan project. Um and based on 917 01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:32,640 the feedback we have heard from other municipalities that have undertaken a 918 01:17:30,400 --> 01:17:37,360 CPPS operating two separate planning systems creates confusion. Um it 919 01:17:35,360 --> 01:17:41,120 increases administrative complexity and it makes future updating difficult 920 01:17:39,120 --> 01:17:45,280 because you're amending twice the amount of stuff um you're amending to begin 921 01:17:43,360 --> 01:17:49,760 with. Um so we have had those conversations and staff are are of the 922 01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:54,000 opinion that moving forward with one framework is the best choice for the 923 01:17:51,679 --> 01:17:58,640 municipality. That doesn't mean that every every area 924 01:17:56,080 --> 01:18:01,920 will be treated the same. Um just as our zoning bylaw contains different 925 01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:06,400 standards for different communities, different land uses, the CPS does 926 01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:10,320 exactly that as well. Um it's just all contained within a single single 927 01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:14,800 planning framework. Um so what I would maybe ask councils to 928 01:18:12,719 --> 01:18:20,000 consider is is what planning problems are being solved by excluding areas from 929 01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:24,560 our CPPs. If specific policies or standards need refinement, we can do 930 01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:28,880 that. Um we've we've shown the ability to do that over the last several weeks. 931 01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:32,800 Um making refinements based on the commentary we're receiving. Um we've had 932 01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:38,800 some good discussions about monitoring. Um we can come back monthly if we need 933 01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:41,280 to to to update. Um and so we've been doing doing exactly that those 934 01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:46,960 refinements throughout throughout the process. Um this is very different than 935 01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:53,199 than maintaining two systems. Um, so it uh it goes to show that moving forward 936 01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:56,480 with one and being able to be um consistent with that will be of a 937 01:18:55,040 --> 01:18:59,840 benefit to the municipality and will be helpful to to staff and to everyone 938 01:18:58,320 --> 01:19:05,840 trying to understand how we're moving forward. Um, with respect to to existing 939 01:19:03,440 --> 01:19:09,280 developments and transition, uh, I would say that staff are satisfied. The 940 01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:13,520 transition provisions protect the existing approvals. Um, approved 941 01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:16,960 development can proceed. permissions that exist today are being copied and 942 01:19:15,280 --> 01:19:21,679 pasted essentially into the the new bylaw. Um we've not identified any 943 01:19:20,320 --> 01:19:25,199 approved development rights that are being lost as a result of the CPPS. 944 01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:29,440 We've had those conversations with developers and have asked um developers 945 01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:33,840 and applicants to to point that out. If there are ones that we've noticed, we 946 01:19:31,520 --> 01:19:38,080 we've made those changes. Um we've also reviewed concerns related 947 01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:42,080 to conformity with our own official plan compliance with the planning act. Um 948 01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:45,440 we've chatted in in depth with our consulting team and with legal counsel 949 01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:49,760 who um who's on the line tonight as well. Um and we're satisfied that our 950 01:19:47,280 --> 01:19:52,960 CPPS will conform with the OP. Um it will be the main implementation tool of 951 01:19:51,679 --> 01:19:58,560 this official plan that you approved back in 2023. Um and it's been prepared 952 01:19:55,600 --> 01:20:02,560 in accordance with the planning act. So uh to that degree we wouldn't recommend 953 01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:06,880 creating a sight specific exemption or continuing um or moving forward with two 954 01:20:05,199 --> 01:20:10,960 separate frameworks. We continue to support a municipalitywide frame CPPS 955 01:20:09,199 --> 01:20:14,239 framework. Um, and we're happy to have some more discussion on that context 956 01:20:12,480 --> 01:20:18,640 tonight. From the rural perspective, um, what I 957 01:20:16,640 --> 01:20:22,880 would say is the CPS is good for for rural brand because it will provide more 958 01:20:20,480 --> 01:20:26,640 flexibility, um, some clearer rules, fewer planning applications for people, 959 01:20:25,199 --> 01:20:30,719 uh, more certainty for farmers, for rural land owners. Um it will modernize 960 01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:34,560 how we administer planning not just in urban areas but also in rural areas 961 01:20:32,239 --> 01:20:38,880 which I think um is well deserved to be applied across the municipality. And as 962 01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:42,880 I mentioned when when this project first began we had talked about a pilot 963 01:20:40,320 --> 01:20:47,280 approach to staff. Um and we had thought about starting with the rural areas. Um 964 01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:51,760 rural areas often have fewer sight specific zoning provisions. They have 965 01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:55,679 fewer legacy developments. Um that makes them kind of well suited for this 966 01:20:53,280 --> 01:20:59,520 streamlined approval approach. And when we did just look at our um our 967 01:20:57,760 --> 01:21:03,440 applications that are currently in the the system, we're sitting at a split of 968 01:21:01,520 --> 01:21:09,199 about 60% of the applications being rural, 40% of them being urban. Just so 969 01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:12,159 understand that. Um 970 01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:15,520 we've mentioned this a few times as well, but there's more predictability 971 01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:18,800 and local control, which I think is a very important thing across the county, 972 01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:23,840 but especially in the protection of agriculture. Um third parties cannot 973 01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:28,560 seek amendments to change the rules to the bylaw. council does not wish to have 974 01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:31,280 that happen. Uh that also creates consistency for land owners. They'll 975 01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:36,199 understand the rules that are applied today and it puts us in charge of 976 01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:36,199 changing our own rules. 977 01:21:36,560 --> 01:21:46,400 Uh so why why do this now? Um what we're trying to do is bring multiple planning 978 01:21:43,679 --> 01:21:50,560 processes into one framework. Um what it will do is give property owners, farmers 979 01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:52,639 alike, more flexibility. It modernizes some outdated regulations. 980 01:21:52,556 --> 01:21:57,520 » [clears throat] >> Um, parking has come up a couple times. 981 01:21:54,719 --> 01:22:01,440 It'll streamline our approval system. It provides up to five years of planning 982 01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:04,400 certainty without the amendments. So, these aren't theoretical benefits. These 983 01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:07,520 are practical improvements that we've heard from other municipalities 984 01:22:05,520 --> 01:22:10,480 implementing the CPPs. And they're practical improvements that residents, 985 01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:13,280 farmers, business owners alike will experience when they they interact with 986 01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:17,120 the system, when they come in and they apply for their their planning 987 01:22:14,719 --> 01:22:21,520 applications. Um so what I would just say I guess is 988 01:22:19,120 --> 01:22:26,080 that uh council adopted the official plan in 2023. We set the foundation for 989 01:22:23,600 --> 01:22:30,400 this work. Um we've invested time and money into this. Um the research, the 990 01:22:28,320 --> 01:22:33,520 consultation, the technical analysis and that investment doesn't mean that 991 01:22:31,600 --> 01:22:37,280 council has to approve this project per se. Um but what it does mean is that the 992 01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:41,440 recommendation before you is informed by that extensive amount of work. It's not 993 01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:44,800 being brought forward to you lightly. Um what we're proposing through the CPS is 994 01:22:43,280 --> 01:22:51,760 to modernize our planning framework. something we we hear probably daily, I 995 01:22:48,080 --> 01:22:55,199 would argue, um, in the county. Um, and we've already established that policy 996 01:22:53,600 --> 01:23:00,000 direction through the official plan. The CPS really is a tool that can help put 997 01:22:57,120 --> 01:23:03,280 that vision into action. Um, and so with that, I would leave it or I'll turn it 998 01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:06,719 back over to the mayor. Um, happy to address any specific comments or 999 01:23:04,719 --> 01:23:13,480 questions about it. But, um, that's kind of my my final pitch for the discussion. 1000 01:23:09,040 --> 01:23:13,480 » Thanks, Brandon. Councelor Chambers. 1001 01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:22,639 just just uh uh I wonder if you can clarify uh something with regarding the 1002 01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:27,920 transition uh on one hand we're saying that through 1003 01:23:25,360 --> 01:23:34,239 the transition process there will be flexibility and and this kind of stuff 1004 01:23:31,280 --> 01:23:40,960 uh and uh being able to work with the applicants and that kind of stuff. And 1005 01:23:36,239 --> 01:23:47,120 then we say that uh uh you you can't amend anything for five years. It seems 1006 01:23:43,760 --> 01:23:54,560 contradictory and uh taking both sides. I wonder if you 1007 01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:58,080 can just elaborate on that in terms of the 1008 01:23:56,080 --> 01:24:01,760 prohibition for amendments, that kind of stuff because we're seem to be saying, 1009 01:23:59,920 --> 01:24:07,280 "Yeah, we'll work with you, but we you can't do anything." Explain that to me. 1010 01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:11,440 » Yes. through the mayor. Um what I would point out there is that when we look at 1011 01:24:09,760 --> 01:24:17,600 flexibility, we're talking about administrative flexibility and 1012 01:24:13,520 --> 01:24:21,360 legislative flexibility. So um the CPS is flexible in how it administers and 1013 01:24:19,679 --> 01:24:24,880 approves development, how it kind of goes people go through the system. 1014 01:24:23,199 --> 01:24:29,199 There's flexibility in that. That doesn't mean that there's less certainty 1015 01:24:26,400 --> 01:24:33,040 for them. Um existing approvals are protected. Um if a decision has been 1016 01:24:31,280 --> 01:24:37,440 made on a development, it's only fair to carry that over. We recognize that 1017 01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:42,320 that's principle clergy principle that's built into planning. Um so those rules 1018 01:24:40,719 --> 01:24:46,159 will continue to apply. They're being kind of copied and pasted as I said into 1019 01:24:44,159 --> 01:24:49,760 this new system. But the flexibility is really coming from the framework through 1020 01:24:48,320 --> 01:24:53,600 which people are working, the process through which people are going. Um it's 1021 01:24:51,679 --> 01:24:58,800 reducing the need for someone to come in for multiple applications, pay multiple 1022 01:24:55,840 --> 01:25:02,159 fees to the to the municipality. Um it's not removing the established 1023 01:25:00,560 --> 01:25:06,639 permissions. is just making it easier for us to apply those and easier for 1024 01:25:04,560 --> 01:25:11,040 residents um to move forward with their projects through a system that that 1025 01:25:08,480 --> 01:25:16,560 already exists. >> If if the parameters for approval are 1026 01:25:15,040 --> 01:25:20,639 modified, which they are through the the process, 1027 01:25:19,040 --> 01:25:25,280 what you're telling me is the process going through that there'll be 1028 01:25:22,880 --> 01:25:29,679 flexibility, but the modifications that are made are not going to be flexible. 1029 01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:33,360 Is that what you're saying? the modifications 1030 01:25:31,120 --> 01:25:38,719 » to the point where >> you won't be able to appeal them. 1031 01:25:35,679 --> 01:25:43,679 » So through the mayor to that degree it will depend on the instance and the 1032 01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:49,520 situation. The way that we've built the community planning permit system is that 1033 01:25:45,920 --> 01:25:55,120 the um the topics that we've heard the most about that we want the most um 1034 01:25:52,480 --> 01:25:59,920 finite decisions being made on with no kind of opportunity to adjust them. 1035 01:25:58,080 --> 01:26:06,239 We've built that into the system with respect to the amendments for someone to 1036 01:26:02,560 --> 01:26:10,000 come in um within the framework as it is and work within that. The flexibility is 1037 01:26:08,480 --> 01:26:14,239 there. So there's two kind of like highle bumpers that we've put up to say 1038 01:26:12,320 --> 01:26:17,840 okay the official plan sets the standard here. You have to kind of fall within 1039 01:26:15,679 --> 01:26:23,679 that but everyone that falls within that has the flexibility. 1040 01:26:20,800 --> 01:26:27,840 If I might just continue the discussion, you know, and I know that there have 1041 01:26:25,280 --> 01:26:33,760 been times when people have come forward and say, "Well, when did that change? 1042 01:26:31,520 --> 01:26:41,440 This guy did that and how come I those are the modifications that uh the 1043 01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:45,920 parameters I I call them that you're telling me that aren't going to be that 1044 01:26:42,960 --> 01:26:52,320 flexible." And I'm just cautioning that there's 1045 01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:56,239 going to be people coming forward that did not know 1046 01:26:54,320 --> 01:27:03,440 the changes are being made and I don't know them all either. uh and they will 1047 01:26:59,840 --> 01:27:09,920 be confronted with new parameters which they're not used to and that may cause 1048 01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:14,800 problems and there may be situations where 1049 01:27:11,440 --> 01:27:21,120 flexibility may be uh amendable to to be gotten through the 1050 01:27:18,719 --> 01:27:25,600 political process rather than the technical planning process. Can you 1051 01:27:24,159 --> 01:27:29,120 comment on that? >> Um yes. So through the mayor, what we've 1052 01:27:27,520 --> 01:27:34,080 done is we've built in many opportunities in the bylaw for people um 1053 01:27:32,480 --> 01:27:37,360 to have further discussions with respect to their applications. So someone can 1054 01:27:35,440 --> 01:27:42,880 always bump up an application council for a decision. Um that is an 1055 01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:47,520 opportunity. Um, I would say that I guess distinguishing 1056 01:27:45,440 --> 01:27:54,400 between the flexibility and kind of the uncertainty. Um, what we're trying to do 1057 01:27:50,639 --> 01:27:57,360 with this bylaw, um, there's development standards within the bylaw and all of 1058 01:27:56,239 --> 01:28:01,120 the development standards we're proposing through the CPS. We did a a 1059 01:27:59,199 --> 01:28:04,800 large analysis of those comparative to the current zoning bylaw. And all of 1060 01:28:03,199 --> 01:28:09,840 those development standards, none of them are becoming more restrictive in 1061 01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:14,480 the sense that we get applications. So if if we have a common application that 1062 01:28:11,840 --> 01:28:17,920 comes in of people asking for relief, we've done that analysis and we've 1063 01:28:16,080 --> 01:28:21,840 looked at at the bylaw and those standards are now being changed to match 1064 01:28:19,840 --> 01:28:25,280 the relief that's being asked. So in that sense, we're improving the 1065 01:28:23,600 --> 01:28:29,520 standards that were in the zoning bylaw knowing that people are already asking 1066 01:28:26,719 --> 01:28:34,400 for those changes. Um it's certain things around like uses where they can 1067 01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:38,320 and can't be put. um some of the specific um kind of land use 1068 01:28:36,719 --> 01:28:42,719 compatibility pieces that we've heard from people, those are where um some 1069 01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:46,000 changes are being made to make them a bit more finite. So the development 1070 01:28:44,560 --> 01:28:48,719 standards themselves, I think when we're thinking about how a zoning bylaw 1071 01:28:47,440 --> 01:28:53,760 functions and the standards that people come in and ask for, well, if I can't 1072 01:28:50,560 --> 01:28:57,760 meet 1.5 m, but I can meet 1.2, we're not going to be requiring someone to 1073 01:28:55,440 --> 01:29:02,320 amend the bylaw for instances like that. We've looked at situations that those 1074 01:28:59,760 --> 01:29:07,600 would apply. um and we've we've incorporated that that opportunity to 1075 01:29:04,480 --> 01:29:13,199 change into the bylaw. So again in terms of flexibility the a lot of bylaw amend 1076 01:29:11,040 --> 01:29:20,239 or applications are for amendments to the bylaw which in and of themselves are 1077 01:29:16,639 --> 01:29:26,719 asking for relief from the parameters I call them and if there's inflexibility 1078 01:29:23,920 --> 01:29:33,600 on from the staff perspective on the parameters then uh the applications will 1079 01:29:30,719 --> 01:29:40,239 obviously be refused if there's there's no flexibility. That's the purpose of a 1080 01:29:36,639 --> 01:29:46,239 application to modify the zoning or the the parameters in order to uh do what 1081 01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:52,880 maybe people want to do. So there has to be some flexibility involved with that 1082 01:29:49,600 --> 01:29:59,760 or there's no sense applying just it's black and white. So I'm concerned that 1083 01:29:57,280 --> 01:30:04,639 it's going to be black and white and not gray in some areas. That makes sense. 1084 01:30:02,800 --> 01:30:11,440 And that's a concern I have. The other thing that you didn't uh comment on is 1085 01:30:07,760 --> 01:30:18,400 this this uh prohibition for amendments. Can you just explain to me how that is 1086 01:30:15,520 --> 01:30:23,679 uh can be carried out and what is prohibited and what isn't 1087 01:30:22,239 --> 01:30:26,960 » uh through the mayor too. If if I could just return to the um your first comment 1088 01:30:25,760 --> 01:30:31,040 about amendments as well. I just want to make one thing clear. So, um, when we 1089 01:30:29,120 --> 01:30:35,120 think about zoning, flexibility is often achieved through amending the zoning 1090 01:30:32,639 --> 01:30:41,040 bylaw. That that is a fundamentally different approach than what a CPS does. 1091 01:30:38,080 --> 01:30:44,719 The CPPS framework, the skeleton of it, is what would need to be amended. It's 1092 01:30:42,800 --> 01:30:48,639 the stuff inside of it, the zoning provisions that are built in and 1093 01:30:46,800 --> 01:30:52,880 intended to be flexible enough that you do not need amendments for. So, I just 1094 01:30:50,560 --> 01:30:59,120 want to make that clear that amending the bylaw is is a different game than 1095 01:30:56,320 --> 01:31:04,560 amending a zoning bylaw. Um, and then with respect to the um the amendments 1096 01:31:02,320 --> 01:31:08,719 themselves and that prohibition, um, again, that points to the the the idea 1097 01:31:06,800 --> 01:31:12,719 that what we're doing here is setting up a framework. We're setting up this 1098 01:31:10,000 --> 01:31:17,760 foundation, the skeleton for us to use and the the planning act puts that 1099 01:31:15,600 --> 01:31:22,080 opportunity in place for prohibitions for 5 years. We you can council can wave 1100 01:31:20,400 --> 01:31:27,520 that for individual applications. They can wave it um for the whole whole time. 1101 01:31:25,280 --> 01:31:31,679 Um that is up to council. That will always be in council's um opportunity 1102 01:31:29,600 --> 01:31:35,440 for council. Um but what what the province or what what I believe the 1103 01:31:33,360 --> 01:31:39,440 intent of that is is to provide that certainty and that stability in your 1104 01:31:37,280 --> 01:31:44,159 framework to be able to get it up and running, start it, see what works, 1105 01:31:41,520 --> 01:31:48,320 change it yourself um without having the individual applications kind of chip 1106 01:31:45,840 --> 01:31:56,000 away at it. And why would that be bad for 1107 01:31:53,679 --> 01:32:05,840 being chipped away at if it's not right in the first place? H how are we to know 1108 01:32:01,920 --> 01:32:08,960 and and gauge what people want I I guess is 1109 01:32:07,520 --> 01:32:12,000 » yep and through through the mayor. So what we would do is we would set up a 1110 01:32:10,239 --> 01:32:15,760 process specifically for that. It may look similar to the zoning bylaw 1111 01:32:13,280 --> 01:32:19,040 amendment process, but um we would have that pre-conultation that if someone's 1112 01:32:17,679 --> 01:32:23,040 interested in amending the bylaw, they would have to come have a conversation 1113 01:32:20,159 --> 01:32:26,480 with staff. Um that conversation, we would gauge what needs to be changed. If 1114 01:32:25,199 --> 01:32:29,760 it's an amendment that staff can support, that may be something that's 1115 01:32:27,920 --> 01:32:33,120 automatically included in our monitoring reports that come forward every month or 1116 01:32:31,360 --> 01:32:36,480 every two months. Um it may be something we're already thinking about. If it's 1117 01:32:34,960 --> 01:32:41,440 fundamentally something that staff are not willing to support, um that's a 1118 01:32:38,639 --> 01:32:45,840 different conversation. Um the idea there would be that um if it doesn't 1119 01:32:44,320 --> 01:32:50,239 meet the objectives or conform with our official plan, those are the types of 1120 01:32:48,480 --> 01:32:54,239 things that we are not allowing amendments for. The other stuff more 1121 01:32:52,480 --> 01:33:01,880 than willing to do that. It's just that the municipality retains the control of 1122 01:32:57,360 --> 01:33:01,880 how we do that and when we do that. 1123 01:33:03,600 --> 01:33:10,239 » I I'll I'll stop writing the puck here and let somebody else talk. 1124 01:33:07,679 --> 01:33:14,960 » Councelor Oakley, you're next. uh through you, Mr. Mayor, uh to 1125 01:33:12,719 --> 01:33:20,000 Brandon. Um sorry, I don't have to pull it back up. My apologies. Um so I was 1126 01:33:17,840 --> 01:33:26,639 just curious about two things here. Um one would be um in 1127 01:33:23,679 --> 01:33:32,159 section 3.1.9 um natural heritage system boundary can 1128 01:33:29,280 --> 01:33:37,679 be modified up to 450 square meters as part of a class 2 1129 01:33:33,760 --> 01:33:41,840 variation. Um is there any um tracking tool that say it's an 1130 01:33:39,520 --> 01:33:45,360 individual property quite large multiple applications come through over time 1131 01:33:43,120 --> 01:33:50,480 chipping away at that 450 meters at a time um and avoiding the class 3 as a 1132 01:33:48,159 --> 01:33:54,080 result that would be my first question. >> Yes, through the mayor. So there is a 1133 01:33:51,840 --> 01:33:57,840 tracking system through our GIS we have um extensively mapped our natural 1134 01:33:55,520 --> 01:34:01,920 heritage system um and the intention is to track any potential changes 1135 01:34:00,239 --> 01:34:05,840 modifications to that system through there. We are already doing that as part 1136 01:34:03,600 --> 01:34:09,280 of the kind of OPA process. Um, but the idea would be that we can pull that 1137 01:34:07,360 --> 01:34:13,520 information up and see where modifications have been made to the 1138 01:34:10,880 --> 01:34:16,960 system. If we are still tracking like when we first adopted our official plan, 1139 01:34:15,600 --> 01:34:20,080 do we have the same amount of natural heritage? Has it gone down? Have we been 1140 01:34:18,639 --> 01:34:24,400 compensated for that amount? So, there is a tracking um a way that we will be 1141 01:34:22,960 --> 01:34:27,840 tracking that and ensuring that people aren't kind of chipping away at the at 1142 01:34:26,719 --> 01:34:32,560 the system. >> Thank you. So, there is a a sort of um 1143 01:34:30,400 --> 01:34:37,440 guardrails around that. Um and then the other question um that I have that I got 1144 01:34:34,560 --> 01:34:42,320 from constituent here um just so we've talked about coming back in terms of uh 1145 01:34:40,800 --> 01:34:47,520 revisiting the bylaw after implementation after set frames of time. 1146 01:34:45,679 --> 01:34:52,400 What's sort of baked into the resolution this evening if anything in terms of 1147 01:34:49,840 --> 01:34:56,800 when staff are um required to come back with updates 1148 01:34:54,719 --> 01:35:00,320 for this >> um through the mayor. So what we have 1149 01:34:58,080 --> 01:35:03,760 done it was we put a general clause in the the final clause in the 1150 01:35:01,600 --> 01:35:07,760 recommendation um about monitoring and implementation. Um we had originally 1151 01:35:06,239 --> 01:35:11,360 proposed to come back within six months but we've heard differently from council 1152 01:35:09,040 --> 01:35:15,840 and from the public. Um so what we will are proposing to do with considering the 1153 01:35:13,440 --> 01:35:19,199 election um is to provide updates monthly whether that be at a council 1154 01:35:17,440 --> 01:35:22,639 meeting whether that be through Friday file and project updates online. um 1155 01:35:21,199 --> 01:35:27,760 we'll find a way to communicate that at least monthly. Um and then we'll come 1156 01:35:25,040 --> 01:35:31,920 back um with whatever changes are needed to the bylaw when we when we um 1157 01:35:29,920 --> 01:35:35,440 recognize they're needed. So September is our next council meeting. You very 1158 01:35:33,440 --> 01:35:38,480 well could see changes on on the bylaw if things are adopted tonight. 1159 01:35:37,280 --> 01:35:43,040 » Thank you, >> Councelor Bell. Mr. May, 1160 01:35:40,800 --> 01:35:48,320 » I I have three questions. Uh first one is a follow-up from the earlier 1161 01:35:44,560 --> 01:35:53,760 conversation about the um split between rural and urban applications which 1162 01:35:50,719 --> 01:35:58,800 you've now confirmed to be 60% rural, 40% urban. If you weighted them by 1163 01:35:56,159 --> 01:36:04,719 complexity, how much of your staff time is taken up by 1164 01:36:01,679 --> 01:36:10,400 rural versus urban? I'm saying that because my guess is the urban 1165 01:36:07,040 --> 01:36:14,560 » applications are complex larger uh typically the ones we see in council 1166 01:36:12,639 --> 01:36:16,960 rather than things that you would see on your desk 1167 01:36:15,440 --> 01:36:20,239 » and through the mayor. I don't know if Jeremy maybe has some comments on that, 1168 01:36:18,239 --> 01:36:24,159 but I would I would tend to agree with that. The urban ones take up um a bit 1169 01:36:22,320 --> 01:36:27,360 more time, but I'll ask Jeremy to jump in with some comments on on the 1170 01:36:25,840 --> 01:36:33,760 applications >> for the mayor to counselor. Yeah, I I 1171 01:36:30,159 --> 01:36:37,440 would say our urban applications do take more of our staff time, especially if 1172 01:36:35,760 --> 01:36:42,239 you're looking at a subdivision mix with a zone change, etc., and reviewing draft 1173 01:36:40,000 --> 01:36:46,159 plans and draft plan conditions and drawings, 1174 01:36:43,840 --> 01:36:52,800 uh, site plans, etc. do take a lot more in an urban scale. Um, 1175 01:36:50,080 --> 01:36:56,639 I would say day-to-day dealing with the rural stuff goes a little quicker, but 1176 01:36:54,880 --> 01:37:00,000 it is through staff that we deal with them. It's they're just handled quicker 1177 01:36:58,239 --> 01:37:03,440 because they are simpler processes to deal with and I can easily give staff 1178 01:37:02,000 --> 01:37:07,280 direction on the rural ones and they can move forward. We do try to keep it 1179 01:37:04,960 --> 01:37:10,719 simple in the rural area to make agriculture move forward in a simpler 1180 01:37:09,360 --> 01:37:14,480 process because it doesn't need to be as complex sometimes. 1181 01:37:12,960 --> 01:37:20,000 » Okay. Thank you. My second question relates to FSM. Um, it's been a 1182 01:37:18,000 --> 01:37:24,320 continuous frustration of mine while I've been a council member that 1183 01:37:21,840 --> 01:37:32,800 developers come to this table and they as for multiple variances to our what 1184 01:37:28,639 --> 01:37:42,560 would today are our uh zoning bylaws and that demand seems to just ratchet up 1185 01:37:37,360 --> 01:37:47,199 every every year and it is given for the most part and if we don't give we seem 1186 01:37:44,639 --> 01:37:53,040 to be taken to Ontario Land Tribunal to make sure we do give it, but it comes 1187 01:37:49,440 --> 01:37:59,760 with no benefit, no direct benefit to the county. It it clearly aids the 1188 01:37:56,719 --> 01:38:04,719 economic case for the developer. I think the CP and correct me if I'm wrong, uh 1189 01:38:02,960 --> 01:38:09,119 helps by putting a framework around that. So variances we know what the 1190 01:38:07,600 --> 01:38:15,040 starting point is the development standards there the class one in the 1191 01:38:11,360 --> 01:38:21,040 CPPs set the frame set the base and you set uh limits for what becomes class two 1192 01:38:17,600 --> 01:38:26,480 what becomes class three and we have indicated that for increased density inc 1193 01:38:23,280 --> 01:38:32,480 and increased height that comes with a a price. So um you and I have had this 1194 01:38:29,760 --> 01:38:39,280 conversation before. Uh I think the starting point for FSM should be if we 1195 01:38:35,679 --> 01:38:45,840 permit uh a change from class one to class two and it benefits the uh 1196 01:38:43,199 --> 01:38:53,119 developer economically that benefit should be shared between them and us. 1197 01:38:49,840 --> 01:38:59,119 Can you tell me if we charge $3,000 per unit for an extra extra height, what's 1198 01:38:56,560 --> 01:39:03,159 the share that we get of the increased profitability of that venture? 1199 01:39:04,000 --> 01:39:11,760 » Uh through the mayor, I'd have to pull up my notes specifically, but I believe 1200 01:39:06,880 --> 01:39:17,280 if it was 3,000, it was around 20%. Um, but I can confirm that if you just 1201 01:39:14,159 --> 01:39:23,040 give me a moment. Um, but I guess what I would note here is 1202 01:39:18,880 --> 01:39:27,119 that um, we're not trying to take the full 1203 01:39:24,560 --> 01:39:32,080 what we call as uplift. Um, and I recognize we've had this conversation 1204 01:39:28,560 --> 01:39:36,320 about kind of that 50/50 split idea. Um, there's lots of other factors right now 1205 01:39:34,719 --> 01:39:41,040 we've taken into account. One of them being um, a not so great housing market 1206 01:39:39,360 --> 01:39:46,159 um, and the need for some kind of affordable housing. And that's why part 1207 01:39:43,600 --> 01:39:50,639 of our study with FSM was offer the opportunity for incomeind contributions 1208 01:39:48,239 --> 01:39:55,119 of of housing. So even if they provided 3,000 for a unit, there's also the 1209 01:39:53,040 --> 01:39:59,760 opportunity to provide x number and I believe we came up with a number of 10% 1210 01:39:56,719 --> 01:40:02,639 based on the um the evaluation, but 10% of their housing units could be 1211 01:40:00,960 --> 01:40:06,159 affordable housing. So I think that conversation kind of came up with 1212 01:40:03,920 --> 01:40:13,040 respect to the Brford CIP and and the affordable housing and what maybe the 1213 01:40:07,360 --> 01:40:18,480 CPS can offer. Um, so that inind um I think that that inind opportunity will 1214 01:40:16,080 --> 01:40:22,800 be very crucial because one dwelling unit, one affordable dwelling unit will 1215 01:40:20,159 --> 01:40:26,639 be more worth well more than $3,000, right? Um so I think there's an 1216 01:40:24,400 --> 01:40:29,199 opportunity there to work um with the development community and you'll see in 1217 01:40:27,920 --> 01:40:32,320 the letter from them too there's concerns about FSM. So something we're 1218 01:40:30,800 --> 01:40:36,000 trying to do is just balance that conversation, get that framework in 1219 01:40:33,840 --> 01:40:41,040 place, take we're taking zero dollars right now. Um so to start somewhere and 1220 01:40:39,679 --> 01:40:45,920 and kind of keep that conversation going. We we've um committed to coming 1221 01:40:43,920 --> 01:40:49,199 back with an FSM strategy and working on that next year. And I think there'll be 1222 01:40:47,440 --> 01:40:53,679 some more conversation about okay, what what is an appropriate level um of that 1223 01:40:51,840 --> 01:40:58,639 fee um that we can maybe increase or decrease over time. But, um, yeah, I 1224 01:40:56,000 --> 01:41:02,880 believe that the the $3,000 per unit fee sits at about 20%. Um, it depends on the 1225 01:41:00,800 --> 01:41:07,360 the the situation, but that's roughly where it is. 1226 01:41:03,679 --> 01:41:12,960 » So, to to just to to be clear, the FSM strategy that you've talked about, the 1227 01:41:10,080 --> 01:41:17,520 if we approve the CPPs tonight, it's saying yes, we approve FSM. There are 1228 01:41:15,199 --> 01:41:21,840 numbers in there. There are $3,000 in in that particular example. Are we saying 1229 01:41:20,000 --> 01:41:26,719 then that part of what we approve is also that we direct you to keep on 1230 01:41:24,719 --> 01:41:30,960 looking at what is the best strategy for FSM? 1231 01:41:28,480 --> 01:41:35,600 » That is correct. So the second last um the second last piece of the 1232 01:41:32,880 --> 01:41:39,119 recommendation is that staff direct um or that we're directed to implement FSM. 1233 01:41:37,360 --> 01:41:42,639 So as it stands in the bylaw today the framework um and what we would do is 1234 01:41:40,880 --> 01:41:47,040 consider further consider a long-term strategy for SFM FSM to inform future 1235 01:41:45,199 --> 01:41:49,840 budget and capital planning. And how if we wanted to change it, how would we 1236 01:41:48,560 --> 01:41:54,960 change it? >> To change FSM itself, you mean? Um so we 1237 01:41:52,880 --> 01:41:57,440 could make amendments to our own bylaw. Um that would be the the process through 1238 01:41:56,639 --> 01:42:01,840 which we would do that. >> Thank you. Final question, a very brief 1239 01:41:59,360 --> 01:42:07,760 one. Um if if I understood your response to the six nations regarding parking 1240 01:42:03,840 --> 01:42:13,920 that councelor Oakley mentioned, um do I understand correctly that the CPS does 1241 01:42:09,920 --> 01:42:17,920 not consider visitor parking anymore? uh through the merit does it does 1242 01:42:15,520 --> 01:42:22,480 require visitor parking still. Um just what we have done is instead of 1243 01:42:19,600 --> 01:42:27,920 requiring it above and beyond um the way that the zoning bylaw uh approaches it 1244 01:42:24,480 --> 01:42:32,560 now it's considered within the um overall parking framework. So when we 1245 01:42:29,760 --> 01:42:37,360 say two exterior spaces per unit, one of those hypothetically could be um a 1246 01:42:35,280 --> 01:42:40,800 visitor parking space. Um if it's in a driveway, it's it's kind of visitor 1247 01:42:39,119 --> 01:42:45,520 parking. Um but we would look at the total calculation for that that 1248 01:42:42,400 --> 01:42:51,199 development um and we would apply um the two spaces per unit on their site and 1249 01:42:48,080 --> 01:42:54,000 then the additional parking for um for the visitors. 1250 01:42:52,239 --> 01:42:58,719 » Will that result in fewer parking spaces? Let me take any development 1251 01:42:56,159 --> 01:43:05,600 around take my peninsula as an example. Will it result in fewer parking spaces 1252 01:43:01,600 --> 01:43:09,040 » through the mayor? No. It will what we're trying to do is find a balance 1253 01:43:07,280 --> 01:43:14,239 here to increase the parking in situations like that with town homes 1254 01:43:11,199 --> 01:43:18,080 specifically um condominium developments where we recognize that maybe a single 1255 01:43:16,239 --> 01:43:22,880 wide driveway doesn't work with a single wide garage. Um so there would still be 1256 01:43:20,400 --> 01:43:27,760 that requirement for a visitor parking above and beyond that. Um, but in 1257 01:43:25,520 --> 01:43:31,280 situations where say the garage is double wide or the the driveway is 1258 01:43:29,600 --> 01:43:35,280 double wide, it just adds that opportunity for flexibility because as 1259 01:43:33,520 --> 01:43:39,760 as expressed in the letter with Six Nations um parking takes up space and uh 1260 01:43:38,400 --> 01:43:45,280 we need to be considerate of that as well. But we recognize public transit 1261 01:43:42,159 --> 01:43:48,400 not um widely available here. Um so the the offset for transport demand 1262 01:43:46,880 --> 01:43:51,760 management, transportation demand management um with respect to cars, more 1263 01:43:50,080 --> 01:43:55,360 people have cars. Um so we're trying to find a balance with the realistic 1264 01:43:52,960 --> 01:43:58,760 approach there. Thank you, >> Councelor Haley. 1265 01:43:59,119 --> 01:44:06,320 » Through you. Um, I just wanted to follow up. I I know that there was a response 1266 01:44:04,400 --> 01:44:11,440 from staff to the Brand Federation of Agriculture, but that was um before they 1267 01:44:09,360 --> 01:44:17,199 came tonight. So, they received a set of answers and they still came and they 1268 01:44:13,520 --> 01:44:22,239 still asked um uh about they still had concerns about the agricultural impact 1269 01:44:19,119 --> 01:44:30,480 assessment. Uh they had concerns about notification uh about it um often only 1270 01:44:26,159 --> 01:44:34,800 being on the website um and uh is that adequate notification? are people in the 1271 01:44:32,560 --> 01:44:39,040 country that are farming, rural people, anybody are they watching the website 1272 01:44:36,560 --> 01:44:44,239 for the notification and then the frequency of the agriculture advisory 1273 01:44:41,280 --> 01:44:50,320 meetings and whether that's adequate for the review of the uh so I wonder I I I 1274 01:44:47,360 --> 01:44:54,480 know that staff answered their questions earlier but they came tonight again and 1275 01:44:52,239 --> 01:44:59,280 asked the same question so it leads me to believe that they still aren't 1276 01:44:56,239 --> 01:45:03,199 convinced and um I don't know who has an answer for that. That's why I was asking 1277 01:45:00,960 --> 01:45:07,840 the delegation. I know that staff has replied, but um I don't know if you can 1278 01:45:05,920 --> 01:45:10,800 speak to their further questions tonight. 1279 01:45:09,520 --> 01:45:14,400 » Yeah, through the mayor. I'm happy to speak um I can speak to those three 1280 01:45:12,480 --> 01:45:19,679 points specifically, the AIAS, the and the egg advisory. Um so with respect to 1281 01:45:16,960 --> 01:45:24,400 agricultural impact assessments or AIAS, um they are they will be required and 1282 01:45:22,239 --> 01:45:28,560 they're required under official plan um as a required study in many areas, 1283 01:45:26,320 --> 01:45:32,719 notably outside of our settlement areas. Um we have a a working terms of 1284 01:45:31,360 --> 01:45:36,719 reference from the province of Ontario that they've provided um to 1285 01:45:34,400 --> 01:45:40,800 municipalities to use. We intend to use that um and we'd also get um some of 1286 01:45:39,440 --> 01:45:43,920 that information peer reviewed by experts. Um we have that opportunity. We 1287 01:45:42,480 --> 01:45:49,040 do the same thing with natural heritage reviews. Um, so if if there is um if 1288 01:45:47,520 --> 01:45:52,719 there are questions about kind of the quality of of the reporting that's been 1289 01:45:50,639 --> 01:45:57,440 put together, um we can have those discussions with with the the 1290 01:45:54,800 --> 01:46:00,960 professionals that um would uh would assist us in the review. Um with that 1291 01:45:59,840 --> 01:46:03,840 said, that's the type of thing that would go to the egg advisory committee. 1292 01:46:02,480 --> 01:46:07,840 That's why we we have that committee and we've heard that tonight about um uh 1293 01:46:06,159 --> 01:46:11,840 that expertise. We would we would take advantage of that that expertise um to 1294 01:46:10,159 --> 01:46:16,159 have them review and provide comments on applications of that nature as well. So 1295 01:46:14,000 --> 01:46:20,639 um there will be opportunities outside of the meetings um for for us to 1296 01:46:18,639 --> 01:46:23,360 circulate applications um to those committees. We do a similar thing with 1297 01:46:22,000 --> 01:46:27,280 our our heritage committee right now with heritage impact assessments um 1298 01:46:25,520 --> 01:46:30,400 circulating those and then a discussion happens kind of following that 1299 01:46:28,880 --> 01:46:34,080 circulation on the agenda of the meeting. we would take a similar 1300 01:46:31,520 --> 01:46:38,080 approach. Um, and then with respect to notifications, what I would say is the 1301 01:46:35,679 --> 01:46:43,280 class one, so where we're proposing that there only be an online notification, 1302 01:46:40,080 --> 01:46:48,480 there is no notification today of those. Um, the class one applications are stuff 1303 01:46:46,960 --> 01:46:52,159 that goes almost directly to building permit nowadays. Um, so what we're 1304 01:46:50,480 --> 01:46:57,199 proposing is more of a transparency piece. Um, all of that information would 1305 01:46:54,320 --> 01:47:00,320 be available online to residents. um it admittedly is something they will need 1306 01:46:58,400 --> 01:47:05,119 to seek out, but we've also talked internally about um opportunities for 1307 01:47:02,960 --> 01:47:08,960 mailing lists, email lists, those types of things, recognizing that not everyone 1308 01:47:06,800 --> 01:47:12,800 has internet access or reliable internet access. So um what we're doing is kind 1309 01:47:11,040 --> 01:47:16,800 of two pieces there. We're improving the access to the information um that is 1310 01:47:14,880 --> 01:47:20,960 already coming in. And then we're going to provide other opportunities for input 1311 01:47:18,960 --> 01:47:23,920 um through that system. the class two permits themselves, you'll see that 1312 01:47:22,480 --> 01:47:27,840 there's an on-site signage that's proposed and there's always the 1313 01:47:25,360 --> 01:47:32,000 opportunity to bump the requirements up um for notification. Um and that can be 1314 01:47:30,480 --> 01:47:37,119 a discussion we have with the applicant depending on on the um the application, 1315 01:47:34,960 --> 01:47:41,600 but what we need is a starting point. Um and that starting point is the kind of 1316 01:47:39,040 --> 01:47:45,600 for class two is the dual the dual notification. So one online and the site 1317 01:47:43,679 --> 01:47:49,920 um the sign on site as well. >> Okay, thank you. Uh so I have a few more 1318 01:47:47,760 --> 01:47:55,840 questions. Um, this is from one of our constituents here. Sorry. Um, just uh 1319 01:47:53,600 --> 01:48:03,880 it's about the major facilities. Just a moment. I have to find it for you. Um, 1320 01:48:00,000 --> 01:48:03,880 sorry, just a moment here. 1321 01:48:04,639 --> 01:48:14,159 Sorry. Okay. Um, so you have the CN National CN 1322 01:48:11,360 --> 01:48:20,800 area northwest of downtown Paris was formerly unzoned. Now it's zoned major 1323 01:48:16,639 --> 01:48:27,280 facility. Okay. Um and then you have uh major facility includes 1324 01:48:23,440 --> 01:48:33,920 so major facility includes um pipelines, oil and gas pipelines, energy gener uh 1325 01:48:30,320 --> 01:48:39,920 general facilities, data centers, uh airports, rail facilities. So if Brandt 1326 01:48:37,360 --> 01:48:44,239 retains the airport lands, if we don't annex it, does that mean that these 1327 01:48:42,239 --> 01:48:48,960 lands are vulnerable to a data center being developed? That's a question 1328 01:48:45,679 --> 01:48:48,960 coming from a constituent. 1329 01:48:49,840 --> 01:48:53,639 through the mayor. Um 1330 01:48:54,320 --> 01:49:00,960 uh there will be many other considerations um for permissions with 1331 01:48:58,800 --> 01:49:06,719 respect to data centers um and battery storage and those types of um major 1332 01:49:04,480 --> 01:49:11,920 facilities that use use or store a lot of resources. Um what we have put into 1333 01:49:09,679 --> 01:49:15,280 the bylaw specifically is wording around those types of uses. Even though they're 1334 01:49:13,679 --> 01:49:19,520 included in major facilities, that's what they're considered. um is that 1335 01:49:18,000 --> 01:49:23,760 we're limiting the size and scale of them to very minor so that we can have 1336 01:49:21,760 --> 01:49:28,000 the conversation about these major ones we're seeing in the news come forward. 1337 01:49:25,679 --> 01:49:31,679 Um they would essentially be prohibited and require an amendment to the bylaw. 1338 01:49:30,239 --> 01:49:35,840 So we don't know enough information about those things. I don't want to um 1339 01:49:33,840 --> 01:49:40,239 comment per se specifically on that property, but I commenting on that use. 1340 01:49:38,080 --> 01:49:45,440 We don't know enough about about them yet. Um and so our safe bet right now is 1341 01:49:42,800 --> 01:49:49,760 by planning opinion is is a prohibition um so that we can have the trigger for 1342 01:49:47,119 --> 01:49:52,480 an assessment for a review um and then that information can come forward to 1343 01:49:51,040 --> 01:49:57,679 council to make a decision. >> Thank you. So battery storage has come 1344 01:49:54,560 --> 01:50:01,760 forward to us and it is a major facility and so how would the CPS deal with 1345 01:49:59,920 --> 01:50:05,760 battery storage uh battery storage proposal? Um so through the mayor 1346 01:50:04,400 --> 01:50:10,320 depending on the zone that it is proposed in and the permitted uses um 1347 01:50:08,159 --> 01:50:15,360 the major facility where it is permitted in we would assess that um but if it is 1348 01:50:13,440 --> 01:50:20,719 not a permitted use in that zone it would require an amendment to the bylaw. 1349 01:50:18,000 --> 01:50:25,520 » Okay. Um and then I had another question from a constituent. Can staff assure 1350 01:50:23,679 --> 01:50:30,480 council that the county has the governance, staffing, monitoring, 1351 01:50:28,080 --> 01:50:35,280 enforcement, reporting, and corporate risk management systems necessary to 1352 01:50:33,119 --> 01:50:40,320 implement and administer the CPPs effectively over the long term 1353 01:50:38,000 --> 01:50:44,719 » through the mayor. Yes, that is one of the key objectives that we have of this 1354 01:50:42,560 --> 01:50:47,679 this system. As with any new system, there will be consistent monitoring over 1355 01:50:46,239 --> 01:50:51,199 time. We'll be presenting that information to council. We'll look at 1356 01:50:49,280 --> 01:50:56,080 what the issues end up being. um we'll iron those out, have those discussions 1357 01:50:52,560 --> 01:51:00,719 with people. Um but yes, I would that that's one of the key foundational 1358 01:50:58,000 --> 01:51:05,760 pieces of of of making a large change like this. 1359 01:51:02,320 --> 01:51:10,000 » And finally, just to clarify, um this reduces the risk of an application going 1360 01:51:08,080 --> 01:51:14,239 to the OOLT. Is that correct? >> Uh through the mayor in the context of 1361 01:51:12,800 --> 01:51:17,920 not being able to make amendments to the bylaw for 5 years, yes, it does. 1362 01:51:16,400 --> 01:51:22,000 » Thank you, >> Councelor Kyle. 1363 01:51:20,159 --> 01:51:27,280 Thanks, Mr. Mayor. Through you to staff Brandon, a couple of questions. So, we 1364 01:51:24,080 --> 01:51:32,719 had a delegation earlier tonight um that had concerns about a essentially a 1365 01:51:29,679 --> 01:51:38,719 pre-approved application. So, can you just reiterate what the process is for 1366 01:51:36,639 --> 01:51:41,760 any sort of these subdivision applications that are already in 1367 01:51:40,239 --> 01:51:48,080 progress, they've been approved, there may be an oil tea um decision that's 1368 01:51:44,719 --> 01:51:52,639 tied to them. Uh can you just clarify very clearly what what happens with 1369 01:51:51,119 --> 01:51:56,719 those ones >> through the mayor? Yes. Um so those 1370 01:51:54,400 --> 01:52:00,880 applications that have already there a decision has already been rendered on 1371 01:51:58,239 --> 01:52:07,360 them to some form um would simply just go through the the old process but 1372 01:52:04,080 --> 01:52:10,639 carried over into the new framework. So we're deleting our zoning bylaw. We're 1373 01:52:09,040 --> 01:52:15,520 deleting our site plan bylaw. That's the intent of this. Um, we're creating a new 1374 01:52:13,199 --> 01:52:20,000 development processing framework for the county, but what we have done as part of 1375 01:52:17,440 --> 01:52:25,599 our transition is copied the stuff that has gone through already and pasted it 1376 01:52:22,159 --> 01:52:29,440 into the the new system so that we don't have to sit there and read two separate 1377 01:52:27,760 --> 01:52:38,080 frameworks with two separate kind of interpretations. Um, it will essentially 1378 01:52:32,880 --> 01:52:44,159 be those two frameworks but in one spot. >> Okay. And and then a followup to that um 1379 01:52:40,480 --> 01:52:47,599 through the mayor. Um so something that kind of seems to be the theme from lots 1380 01:52:46,000 --> 01:52:53,599 of the questions from around the table here, but even from the delegations just 1381 01:52:50,000 --> 01:53:00,239 they kind of center around uncertainty. It's it's a new system. It's new to us. 1382 01:52:56,639 --> 01:53:07,280 Um, so could you very specifically specifically um outline how how staff 1383 01:53:04,960 --> 01:53:13,119 will know that it's working as intended and therefore how will council know that 1384 01:53:10,560 --> 01:53:17,760 it's working? And kind of as a a followup to that, how quickly if there 1385 01:53:14,960 --> 01:53:23,440 is something that comes up, what's that threshold for um 1386 01:53:21,599 --> 01:53:27,119 bringing it back right away? what's what's the timeline for how quickly we 1387 01:53:25,280 --> 01:53:32,880 could change something if we needed to. So, just trying to kind of gauge, you 1388 01:53:30,719 --> 01:53:37,440 know, it's a new process to all of us and if we were to go ahead with it, how 1389 01:53:35,520 --> 01:53:42,239 quickly can we make those changes and tweak them and how will we know if there 1390 01:53:40,560 --> 01:53:46,800 is a problem? >> Um, so through the mayor, what we are 1391 01:53:44,639 --> 01:53:51,040 doing here um with the new system is we will have um a monitoring system. We're 1392 01:53:49,760 --> 01:53:56,239 going to be creating a dashboard that will be available like internally during 1393 01:53:54,000 --> 01:54:00,080 August. But the idea is come September provided everything goes well with um 1394 01:53:58,239 --> 01:54:03,760 the bylaw that we will make that available to to anyone to look at. Um so 1395 01:54:02,400 --> 01:54:07,440 what that would do is have our kind of key performance indicators. I'll throw 1396 01:54:05,360 --> 01:54:11,119 throw that out there. But um we'll be looking at how many transition files are 1397 01:54:09,119 --> 01:54:16,080 left, how much natural heritage system is being refined, um how long is an 1398 01:54:14,320 --> 01:54:20,159 application taking from inquiry all the way to buildout. Um so those will be our 1399 01:54:18,560 --> 01:54:24,719 high level indicators and everyone will be able to kind of follow along and and 1400 01:54:21,920 --> 01:54:28,400 see that. We'll also post like um the information about where that threshold 1401 01:54:26,239 --> 01:54:32,320 is to know that it's not working. Um I think admittedly we need to s dive into 1402 01:54:30,719 --> 01:54:36,239 the implementation of the bylaw to understand that a bit more. Um but 1403 01:54:34,159 --> 01:54:42,000 that's our intention for the next month. Um so what I would say to to that is is 1404 01:54:40,239 --> 01:54:44,880 kind of stay tuned for for some of that extra information there. There's been 1405 01:54:43,679 --> 01:54:48,639 provided some information in the reporting just about implementation um 1406 01:54:46,960 --> 01:54:54,639 and monitoring. But if there are other ideas um about that, we we can take 1407 01:54:52,320 --> 01:54:58,320 those back. Um we can come forward at any point. Um council hold regular 1408 01:54:57,040 --> 01:55:01,440 meetings. Council holds special meetings. Um there's plenty of 1409 01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:05,040 opportunities. Not that I want to be coming to every single council meeting 1410 01:55:03,199 --> 01:55:09,280 in the future or any of the planning department, but um there's plenty of 1411 01:55:07,199 --> 01:55:12,880 decision-making points um to be had about about making adjustments. and we 1412 01:55:11,199 --> 01:55:17,119 as staff recognize that this is this is a new framework. It's new. Um there will 1413 01:55:15,679 --> 01:55:20,719 need to be very clear communication about that in regular reporting. Um so 1414 01:55:19,440 --> 01:55:24,719 again, I wouldn't be surprised if you see a report in September um just on an 1415 01:55:22,960 --> 01:55:28,239 implementation provided everything goes tonight um what that looks like and the 1416 01:55:26,719 --> 01:55:31,945 next steps. >> Okay. And uh last question through the 1417 01:55:30,080 --> 01:55:35,760 mayor to you Brandon to kind of put [clears throat] you a little bit on the 1418 01:55:32,880 --> 01:55:42,920 spot maybe, but um is there anything that staff still have concerns about as 1419 01:55:39,280 --> 01:55:42,920 far as the implementation 1420 01:55:43,760 --> 01:55:51,920 uh through the mayor? Um what I would say is my concern right now is that we 1421 01:55:49,440 --> 01:55:55,360 haven't had the chance to test like we aren't getting the chance to test this 1422 01:55:53,360 --> 01:56:00,080 out further than it just being in a testing phase. we're at the point where 1423 01:55:57,280 --> 01:56:04,320 we've we're confident in the framework that's been established, the the best 1424 01:56:02,400 --> 01:56:11,440 way to move this forward and be further confident in it is to apply it. Um, and 1425 01:56:08,560 --> 01:56:15,760 so that would be my kind of backhanded hesitation, I suppose, with this, but 1426 01:56:13,599 --> 01:56:22,560 um, we can go through as many mock applications as as possible. Um, but we 1427 01:56:19,840 --> 01:56:26,239 won't know the full depth and breadth of the of the framework and our 1428 01:56:24,159 --> 01:56:30,040 opportunities to change that. um until we are implementing it. 1429 01:56:30,400 --> 01:56:36,960 » Councelor Miller, >> thank you, Mr. Mayor. Three to Brandon. 1430 01:56:33,920 --> 01:56:40,719 Brandon, um so you said there's transition provisions for two years, 1431 01:56:39,599 --> 01:56:42,239 correct? >> Through the mayor, there are. 1432 01:56:41,760 --> 01:56:47,920 » Yes. >> So, you also said uh in your response 1433 01:56:45,520 --> 01:56:54,880 that um they u use the word may. draft approved 1434 01:56:51,440 --> 01:56:58,719 subdivisions may continue to rely on sight specific zoning. Are you saying 1435 01:56:57,280 --> 01:57:00,000 they can? >> Correct. 1436 01:56:59,280 --> 01:57:03,199 » I >> So they they they would continue to rely 1437 01:57:02,080 --> 01:57:05,119 on their zoning. >> Okay. 1438 01:57:03,760 --> 01:57:07,920 » Unless they want to switch to the new system, 1439 01:57:05,440 --> 01:57:15,199 » unless they want, but they may. So um even if those buildouts take 5 years, 10 1440 01:57:11,199 --> 01:57:18,639 years, 25 years, or in your response to councelor K used the word carry it over 1441 01:57:17,119 --> 01:57:23,280 to the new system. I don't like that response because I don't know what it 1442 01:57:20,639 --> 01:57:27,199 means. Um, but are they allowed to go under 6116 until the full buildout? 1443 01:57:26,159 --> 01:57:29,520 » Correct. Yes, they are. >> Even if it takes 5 years, 10 years, 20 1444 01:57:28,880 --> 01:57:33,920 years. >> Okay. When does the f when do we start 1445 01:57:32,159 --> 01:57:37,199 collecting FSM? >> Uh, provided the bylaw is passed, it 1446 01:57:35,760 --> 01:57:40,880 would be the date of enactment. >> Okay. Do we collect FSM under bylaw 1447 01:57:39,760 --> 01:57:45,840 6116? >> We do not. So, if I already had an 1448 01:57:43,840 --> 01:57:49,840 application in for a subdivision, why would I switch over to the new system 1449 01:57:47,760 --> 01:57:52,880 and have to pay the FSM? Does that make sense? If you're the developer, 1450 01:57:51,599 --> 01:57:57,760 » yeah, through the mayor, that's it's a great question. 1451 01:57:54,159 --> 01:58:03,599 » I'm I if it were me as a hypothetically, if I was a developer, um I would keep my 1452 01:58:01,199 --> 01:58:09,360 my application under the former system and not um okay, not make amendments. 1453 01:58:06,639 --> 01:58:12,320 But to that degree um we what we are doing is trying to offer flexibility so 1454 01:58:11,040 --> 01:58:15,040 that if someone does come in >> Yep. 1455 01:58:12,719 --> 01:58:19,920 » there's opportunity for that. [laughter] >> Yeah. Flexibility to pay extra. So 1456 01:58:17,440 --> 01:58:25,440 that's what it sounds like. Um and then I wanted to ask the last question. Um it 1457 01:58:23,199 --> 01:58:31,199 was brought up by when uh we had uh Robert Hamilton and uh Mark Eddie. Um 1458 01:58:29,119 --> 01:58:36,800 they talked about agriculture expertise on the part of our planners. I I thought 1459 01:58:33,520 --> 01:58:42,639 that was a kind of a I don't know how do you respond to that 1460 01:58:40,480 --> 01:58:47,360 » um through through the mayor as a professional planner. Um I often joke 1461 01:58:45,440 --> 01:58:51,440 that we are the jack of all trades but the master of none. 1462 01:58:48,719 --> 01:58:56,880 » Um but with that said we have plenty of staff that have specialties um in 1463 01:58:53,760 --> 01:59:00,239 various subject matters. Um several have gone to the University of G which is 1464 01:58:58,400 --> 01:59:03,119 more agriculture on nature some have done college some have done university. 1465 01:59:01,599 --> 01:59:08,320 there's plenty of expertise and where that expertise is not readily available 1466 01:59:05,599 --> 01:59:11,360 among staff. We're not guessing um we would seek that expertise out in other 1467 01:59:10,320 --> 01:59:14,880 ways. >> Yeah. Uh it doesn't mean you're 1468 01:59:13,199 --> 01:59:19,520 guessing, but sometimes you don't know that you have a sometimes you don't know 1469 01:59:17,679 --> 01:59:22,639 what you don't know and and I know sitting around at planning sometimes I 1470 01:59:21,040 --> 01:59:27,440 seen some that come from the agriculture sector and I I question what what I'm 1471 01:59:25,599 --> 01:59:31,440 reading in the report. So that that I kind of I kind of thought uh that they 1472 01:59:29,920 --> 01:59:35,760 had made a good point, but I wanted to get your your comments on. So Okay. Uh 1473 01:59:33,440 --> 01:59:41,520 thank you, Mr. Mayor. And um I will make an amendment at the appropriate time. 1474 01:59:39,440 --> 01:59:46,400 » Any other comments? Councelor Haley. 1475 01:59:43,679 --> 01:59:50,400 I just wonder for myself and I think the general public I'm trying to understand 1476 01:59:48,400 --> 01:59:55,599 the difference between the agricultural countryside and rural zones and the 1477 01:59:52,400 --> 01:59:58,239 criteria that you would use for that >> uh through the mayor. So those have 1478 01:59:56,880 --> 02:00:02,960 already been designated in the official plan and the zoning will match that. Um 1479 02:00:00,800 --> 02:00:06,560 agriculture and countryside zones are intended to be our prime agricultural 1480 02:00:04,639 --> 02:00:10,800 areas for the county of Brand um which the objective is permanently protected 1481 02:00:08,320 --> 02:00:16,719 land. uh rural lands were done through an an um were analyzed um in uh 1482 02:00:15,119 --> 02:00:23,360 collaboration with the province um with OMAFA based on um a methodology that 1483 02:00:20,480 --> 02:00:27,920 they provide. Um and those lands based on the provincial direction now um have 1484 02:00:25,520 --> 02:00:33,280 some contemplation or potential for development. Um but our um approach here 1485 02:00:31,199 --> 02:00:36,719 is still to restrict that and include them as part of the agricultural system 1486 02:00:35,520 --> 02:00:39,840 » and countryside >> and country. So countryside and 1487 02:00:38,320 --> 02:00:44,000 agriculture essentially mimic each other. It's that countryside is 1488 02:00:41,599 --> 02:00:50,320 recognizing where there are areas of existing non-aggricultural development. 1489 02:00:46,400 --> 02:00:55,599 Um I guess I would point to our former rural residential um designation and the 1490 02:00:53,280 --> 02:01:02,400 rural residential zone. Um that is kind of a a common um commonly um a common 1491 02:01:00,320 --> 02:01:08,719 area where the countryside zoning or designation has been. 1492 02:01:04,159 --> 02:01:14,480 » Thank you. And then some um some uh areas have no class two or three. 1493 02:01:11,520 --> 02:01:20,960 Aggregate I think only has class one and some have no class two or three. Um do 1494 02:01:18,560 --> 02:01:24,639 you see that as a problem through the mayor? Not at this point. And what we 1495 02:01:22,719 --> 02:01:29,840 intend to do with that is like I say add some st or provide some stability in the 1496 02:01:27,840 --> 02:01:36,159 bylaw so there isn't the opportunity for amendments um outside of the framework. 1497 02:01:33,840 --> 02:01:39,520 Um and if changes are needed then staff and council would have control over the 1498 02:01:37,679 --> 02:01:42,639 changes that are are made to the bylaw to to consider that. 1499 02:01:40,960 --> 02:01:45,679 » So to try out aggregate if it's class one what notification would there be to 1500 02:01:45,040 --> 02:01:49,520 the public? >> So specifically for aggregates there's a 1501 02:01:47,520 --> 02:01:54,560 500 meter radius notification that's soon for the public. Um and I will note 1502 02:01:51,679 --> 02:01:58,000 that aggregate um decisions and and processing is mostly done at the 1503 02:01:56,080 --> 02:02:02,719 provincial level. Um but what we're intending to do there is provide that 1504 02:02:00,320 --> 02:02:08,320 information well in advance um and provide an opportunity for the um the 1505 02:02:06,560 --> 02:02:12,159 folks within that radius and and beyond if they wish um to speak to the 1506 02:02:10,239 --> 02:02:14,320 aggregate operator um and have those conversations before an application is 1507 02:02:13,599 --> 02:02:19,280 approved. >> Thank you. And then you mentioned in 1508 02:02:16,080 --> 02:02:24,880 your um briefing July 17th you mentioned boundary expansions would require a CPP 1509 02:02:22,159 --> 02:02:29,199 amendment. Uh, and uh, I think you and I spoke. I think there's three boundary 1510 02:02:26,560 --> 02:02:31,679 expansion applications right now. Is that correct? 1511 02:02:30,239 --> 02:02:37,360 » Yeah, through the mayor. That Yeah, two or three, I believe. Um, in process. 1512 02:02:34,639 --> 02:02:40,320 » Okay. Thank you, >> Councelor Oakley. You're next. 1513 02:02:38,880 --> 02:02:43,360 » Through you, Mr. Mayor. Uh, did I hear you correct? Are we on to comments now 1514 02:02:42,080 --> 02:02:46,880 or just questions? >> Comments. Fine. 1515 02:02:44,400 --> 02:02:52,000 » Okay. Uh, so through you, Mr. Mayor, some some comments on it. Um, so in 1516 02:02:50,880 --> 02:02:55,040 regards to some of the conversation around class one and and notifications 1517 02:02:53,679 --> 02:02:58,639 and I got some emails and questions about that as well. Um, what I would say 1518 02:02:57,040 --> 02:03:02,239 in regards to class one is I think it's important for people to recognize with 1519 02:03:00,719 --> 02:03:07,679 class one. It's it it means fundamentally it's a project that checks 1520 02:03:04,320 --> 02:03:12,560 every single box. Um, so it's what we say we want in our official plan. It's 1521 02:03:09,679 --> 02:03:19,679 what's allowed uh with no modifications whatsoever. Um, and I would propose that 1522 02:03:17,119 --> 02:03:25,599 while yes, there's not an initial um, notice that goes out before um, I and 1523 02:03:23,599 --> 02:03:29,920 we're just including it basically as a transparency measure. If my neighbors 1524 02:03:27,599 --> 02:03:33,679 want to build a triplex next door and it's allowed within our 1525 02:03:32,159 --> 02:03:40,560 official plan, they're requiring no parking amendments, no boundary 1526 02:03:35,679 --> 02:03:43,679 adjustments, no um, you know, uh, they're requiring no changes. quite 1527 02:03:42,159 --> 02:03:47,760 frankly, it's none of my business. It's their property to do what they they wish 1528 02:03:45,840 --> 02:03:50,960 within the guidelines that we've set up. And if there's a problem with how that's 1529 02:03:49,360 --> 02:03:56,719 going, the problem document is the official plan, not this this process. 1530 02:03:52,719 --> 02:04:00,320 So, I just wanted to to state that. Um, yeah, that that's sort of my my my 1531 02:03:58,639 --> 02:04:04,639 initial comments there. >> Councelor Coleman. 1532 02:04:02,880 --> 02:04:09,520 » Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, more of a comment. Um, 1533 02:04:06,800 --> 02:04:16,560 I've had concerns about this plan ever since day one whenever it was brought 1534 02:04:12,080 --> 02:04:21,520 forth sometime early in the year. Um, I can't support it the way it is and um at 1535 02:04:19,760 --> 02:04:25,840 the and I think councelor Miller's going to make an amendment too, but I will 1536 02:04:23,199 --> 02:04:28,880 propose an amendment too because of of the way things have been going. So, 1537 02:04:27,679 --> 02:04:33,199 thanks. >> So, 1538 02:04:31,040 --> 02:04:36,599 councelor, did you have your hand up? Councelor McCalpine, 1539 02:04:38,000 --> 02:04:45,040 » one of my concerns was the onfarmm diversified uses and I'm wondering if 1540 02:04:43,119 --> 02:04:50,560 you could give examples of things that would not be allowed under un onfarm 1541 02:04:48,000 --> 02:04:56,400 diversified uses for like a small business or something like that. How how 1542 02:04:53,440 --> 02:05:01,119 would you separate um through the mayor? Um admittedly that 1543 02:04:59,679 --> 02:05:05,840 would be a difficult question to answer because the provincial guidelines um and 1544 02:05:04,159 --> 02:05:10,080 quite frankly meeting meeting with the province to ask them about the 1545 02:05:06,960 --> 02:05:13,599 guidelines. Um essentially say that there there's a very broad variety of 1546 02:05:12,400 --> 02:05:18,400 things that can be an onfarmm diversified use. Um there's certain 1547 02:05:15,760 --> 02:05:24,639 criteria that are listed in um the permitted use guidelines um that it be 1548 02:05:22,159 --> 02:05:29,040 like limited in area. So it the the size and scale of it is kind of the more 1549 02:05:26,560 --> 02:05:34,800 important piece in our minds um than the use itself. Um but what we are have done 1550 02:05:32,639 --> 02:05:40,320 through the recent OPA and what would be done through this this CPPs um is to 1551 02:05:37,760 --> 02:05:44,400 ensure that there are kind of we go beyond what the guidelines are saying. 1552 02:05:42,400 --> 02:05:50,000 We recognize that there are some questions about um onfarmm diversified 1553 02:05:47,840 --> 02:05:56,560 uses of certain sizes and scales and certain uses um and we've tried to limit 1554 02:05:52,639 --> 02:06:01,040 those specifically um in more detail um and the CPS would do that. So um one 1555 02:05:59,440 --> 02:06:05,440 that is talked about quite often is kind of the wedding venue or wedding barn um 1556 02:06:03,440 --> 02:06:11,520 thing. There's a certain size and scale of that that may be appropriate. Um but 1557 02:06:07,920 --> 02:06:15,679 large event venues on agricultural land are not something that are is supported 1558 02:06:13,360 --> 02:06:19,679 by the arfund of diversified use like the permitted use guideline and that's 1559 02:06:17,280 --> 02:06:25,080 something that we included in our recent OPA and that's something that would be 1560 02:06:21,040 --> 02:06:25,080 moved forward with with the CBPs. 1561 02:06:26,560 --> 02:06:34,560 » So I'm also thinking like you're we're going to allow businesses to be like not 1562 02:06:32,639 --> 02:06:41,159 related but they're supposed to support the farm. So it might be a small 1563 02:06:36,719 --> 02:06:41,159 business in um 1564 02:06:42,000 --> 02:06:49,599 a cabinet shop or something like that. Um so that'll be allowed underneath on 1565 02:06:47,119 --> 02:06:53,119 this program or an automotive shop or something like that. But is there a 1566 02:06:51,520 --> 02:06:55,760 limit to that type of business that could be allowed 1567 02:06:54,480 --> 02:06:58,400 » uh through the mayor? Yes, there is. So there's size and scale limits to that. 1568 02:06:57,040 --> 02:07:03,119 Those are already in place through our zoning. Um at a high level, I believe 1569 02:07:01,040 --> 02:07:08,159 it's 2% of the property to a maximum of one hectare. And then within that one 1570 02:07:05,760 --> 02:07:12,000 hectare, there's a 20% limit on building area. So, 1571 02:07:09,520 --> 02:07:15,360 » um we'd have to do the math specifically on a property maybe to give people 1572 02:07:13,199 --> 02:07:19,119 context, but there's specific numbers in place to restrict um what can happen in 1573 02:07:18,079 --> 02:07:24,639 those instances. >> Okay. And does that have to be within 1574 02:07:21,840 --> 02:07:28,480 the sort of farm cluster of buildings? >> It's yes through the mayor. So what we 1575 02:07:26,639 --> 02:07:33,760 have done with the CPP bylaw is we've structured it in a way that um what 1576 02:07:31,440 --> 02:07:37,199 we're using for the the OFDUs is the requirement that [snorts] things be 1577 02:07:34,960 --> 02:07:41,520 clustered because we don't want things to be taking up land unnecessarily. So 1578 02:07:39,520 --> 02:07:45,040 if there are existing farm buildings like someone built a farm and they want 1579 02:07:43,440 --> 02:07:49,599 to renovate that and convert that into some sort of other use to um to 1580 02:07:48,000 --> 02:07:52,639 diversify their farming operation and and bring in some more income, that 1581 02:07:51,280 --> 02:07:56,000 existing farm building would be able to be renovated. But if they're building 1582 02:07:54,239 --> 02:07:59,760 something new and it's specifically for the purpose of a non-farmm diversified 1583 02:07:57,679 --> 02:08:02,560 use, there's more limitations in place to that. And one of those is clustering. 1584 02:08:01,920 --> 02:08:07,840 » Okay. >> Um my understanding it doesn't 1585 02:08:04,880 --> 02:08:11,440 necessarily have to be a um the home doesn't you don't have to have a house 1586 02:08:09,440 --> 02:08:16,000 on that property. It could be on a property is that excludes a home 1587 02:08:14,480 --> 02:08:18,960 » through the mayor. Yes. The the qualification is that it is a farming 1588 02:08:17,840 --> 02:08:25,440 operation. >> Okay. Okay. Thank you, Bill. 1589 02:08:23,119 --> 02:08:29,520 I have comments, but if maybe I should wait until the amendment's on the table 1590 02:08:27,440 --> 02:08:34,480 because I might say something different. >> Councelor Chambers, 1591 02:08:32,079 --> 02:08:37,920 » I could say the same thing. I I I don't have any questions. I was just going to 1592 02:08:35,679 --> 02:08:39,679 make some comments, but if you want to proceed with the amendments, that's 1593 02:08:39,199 --> 02:08:42,480 fine. >> Is it a friendly amendment or we have to 1594 02:08:41,679 --> 02:08:46,400 go back? >> It's not friendly. 1595 02:08:43,520 --> 02:08:51,053 » It's not friendly at all. Right. >> Okay. So, Council Chambers, 1596 02:08:49,119 --> 02:08:55,599 » maybe I'll make my comments first. [laughter] 1597 02:08:52,000 --> 02:09:02,079 I u I don't want to get unfriendly here. Uh I I just wanted to make some 1598 02:08:57,920 --> 02:09:06,800 generalized comments. Uh I I if if someone asked me to explain the 1599 02:09:04,800 --> 02:09:11,520 present system, I could do a pretty good job on it. I I think I've been around 1600 02:09:08,560 --> 02:09:16,400 enough that I understand how we do things. Now, 1601 02:09:14,400 --> 02:09:20,239 if someone asked me to explain the new system, 1602 02:09:18,239 --> 02:09:24,960 I would have to say, "You'll have to get staff 1603 02:09:22,400 --> 02:09:31,840 to explain it to you." And what that's telling me is that 1604 02:09:28,719 --> 02:09:37,360 we're tending to move planning from around the horseshoe in 1605 02:09:35,520 --> 02:09:42,159 the community to the staff. It's it's becoming more 1606 02:09:39,599 --> 02:09:48,639 and more the complexities are 1607 02:09:45,440 --> 02:09:55,040 staff orientated and some people will agree with that, 1608 02:09:51,679 --> 02:10:01,280 some people won't. Uh but the fact is that planning is 1609 02:09:58,320 --> 02:10:06,000 becoming complicated through this system that 1610 02:10:03,119 --> 02:10:12,800 we're going to be relying on staff to ensure that it works. 1611 02:10:10,400 --> 02:10:17,840 And I'm hoping 1612 02:10:14,719 --> 02:10:21,920 that staff is up to the task. I I know we've had staff turnovers in 1613 02:10:20,320 --> 02:10:29,199 the past. Sometimes we have a lot of turnover. Heaven, help us. If at the 1614 02:10:24,800 --> 02:10:34,719 crux of this we have staff turnover and the new staff doesn't understand this, 1615 02:10:31,599 --> 02:10:40,920 it it could be very very difficult moving forward. 1616 02:10:37,679 --> 02:10:40,920 I I'm 1617 02:10:41,040 --> 02:10:52,560 in favor of more staff uh input and decision making because 1618 02:10:50,400 --> 02:11:00,079 essentially it's been moving that way for years. 1619 02:10:55,840 --> 02:11:06,079 But this is a huge huge leap into the trusting staff to do what needs to be 1620 02:11:02,320 --> 02:11:10,079 done rather than counselors that hopefully can understand the process 1621 02:11:07,760 --> 02:11:19,560 enough that they can make decisions on applications and uh of the such 1622 02:11:14,960 --> 02:11:19,560 that they feel confident in doing that. 1623 02:11:19,679 --> 02:11:29,280 Again, I could not pass a test on this new system and I'll admit that right 1624 02:11:25,920 --> 02:11:33,920 from the outset, which is I think not unlike anybody around here. If we 1625 02:11:31,440 --> 02:11:38,320 had an exam tomorrow on this, I don't know whether anybody could pass it to 1626 02:11:35,599 --> 02:11:42,800 tell you the truth. Uh the old system, I think we could all pass it. 1627 02:11:40,880 --> 02:11:48,239 and let's leap forward to the new council where people will be elected and 1628 02:11:46,000 --> 02:11:54,400 they'll have to they won't know the old system and the new system. They'll have 1629 02:11:50,000 --> 02:11:57,920 to learn the system. So maybe that will rescue the system. If nobody knows 1630 02:11:56,000 --> 02:12:02,000 what's going on, they'll all learn it together. So those are my comments and 1631 02:12:00,320 --> 02:12:08,000 I'm I'm dying to hear the amendments and uh 1632 02:12:05,280 --> 02:12:11,920 hopefully they uh will make it a little bit more clearer to understand. But 1633 02:12:10,239 --> 02:12:14,079 before we go to the really unfriendly amendments, I think we should speak to 1634 02:12:13,360 --> 02:12:19,679 councelor Bell. >> Yeah. Um, well, having heard what 1635 02:12:17,040 --> 02:12:26,320 councelor Chambers has said, it reminds me of the first meeting I think I ever 1636 02:12:22,320 --> 02:12:31,840 went to as a counselor when we were given a bit of education and I remember 1637 02:12:29,679 --> 02:12:36,480 the statement, it's not our job to row the boat, it's our job to set the 1638 02:12:34,719 --> 02:12:42,480 direction. So I have the the uneasy feeling that 1639 02:12:41,280 --> 02:12:47,280 what councelor James Chambers was talking about would take us too much 1640 02:12:44,639 --> 02:12:52,079 would put the os in our hands or keep the os in our hands and I I don't think 1641 02:12:48,960 --> 02:12:55,760 that's what we should be doing. So that I'm I'm sort of philosophically 1642 02:12:54,000 --> 02:13:00,320 different from from Robert in that respect. But I'll make I'll make my 1643 02:12:57,679 --> 02:13:04,560 comments then if if I may because I was skeptical. I really was skeptical, 1644 02:13:02,719 --> 02:13:10,639 probably more skeptical and vocally skeptical than anybody else about a 1645 02:13:07,360 --> 02:13:17,760 complete revision to what is a familiar if somewhat inflexible and to my mind 1646 02:13:13,440 --> 02:13:22,960 abused planning system. To quote the uh the head of the US Senate, I wasn't sure 1647 02:13:20,880 --> 02:13:28,320 the uh the juice was worth the squeeze on this one. There's so much effort is 1648 02:13:26,239 --> 02:13:33,040 required. It's a huge change management effort starting perhaps with people 1649 02:13:30,400 --> 02:13:38,639 around this table and it puts a challenge on our staff uh 1650 02:13:36,239 --> 02:13:43,840 in many respects. I think somebody asked can we meet the 45day turnaround 1651 02:13:41,119 --> 02:13:49,920 deadline that was a a comment from from the public but I think staff have done a 1652 02:13:46,400 --> 02:13:53,520 terrific job of preparing the CPPs. Think about the number of steps we've 1653 02:13:51,520 --> 02:13:58,320 gone through as council. I think this must be the seventh or eighth time 1654 02:13:56,320 --> 02:14:01,679 Brandon has stood up there and taken us through it. Yes, it's a complete 1655 02:14:00,000 --> 02:14:06,960 different system. And yes, we have to learn it, but we don't have to run it. 1656 02:14:04,880 --> 02:14:10,480 We're not rowing this boat. We're steering the ship. 1657 02:14:09,040 --> 02:14:14,480 And they've done a good job on on thinking about the implementation as 1658 02:14:12,000 --> 02:14:18,079 well. So, I think the introduction of a CPPs 1659 02:14:16,000 --> 02:14:23,040 will be an improvement too. uh I think it will turn out to be a simplification 1660 02:14:20,400 --> 02:14:28,639 of our existing system and I think it will strengthen our control as council 1661 02:14:26,079 --> 02:14:34,159 and I think it will make the develop the process we follow much more transparent 1662 02:14:32,000 --> 02:14:39,679 yes there's some effort required there's a willingness to accept change by us by 1663 02:14:37,119 --> 02:14:43,599 the community but I think there's a willingness and I 1664 02:14:41,199 --> 02:14:48,719 think I've heard it from staff to adapt as we get experience so we won't get it 1665 02:14:45,679 --> 02:14:53,920 right 100% first I was worried that we should why would 1666 02:14:51,440 --> 02:15:00,239 we move to a new system in one go? Let's pilot somewhere else. But I'm 1667 02:14:57,760 --> 02:15:06,000 convinced now uh from what staff have done and that the analysis they've taken 1668 02:15:02,880 --> 02:15:10,320 upon themselves to find out that if they considered other municipalities that 1669 02:15:08,719 --> 02:15:15,440 have taken that pilot step, their recommendation is don't just go straight 1670 02:15:12,480 --> 02:15:20,480 to the full system. So are we taking a risk? I don't think so. I mean, Paris is 1671 02:15:18,560 --> 02:15:25,679 essentially built out from a planning perspective. There's so little left to 1672 02:15:23,360 --> 02:15:29,920 decide about how planet how Paris will be developed within the current 1673 02:15:27,119 --> 02:15:33,280 settlement area. I think St. George is getting there. There's an awful lot 1674 02:15:31,280 --> 02:15:37,520 that's already predetermined. Nothing that we're going to change. 1675 02:15:35,440 --> 02:15:42,159 And the relative simplicity of rural applications, albeit that there may be 1676 02:15:39,280 --> 02:15:47,679 more of them, leads me to believe that if staff are prepared to tune this new 1677 02:15:44,639 --> 02:15:52,560 system based on experience and make good use of of groups like the agricultural 1678 02:15:50,239 --> 02:15:58,960 advisory committee, then I can be very supportive of what they recommend, 1679 02:15:55,760 --> 02:16:03,280 including FSM um given that you are going to keep on looking at what's the 1680 02:16:00,880 --> 02:16:08,639 best outcome for that. So I will be supportive of what is the staff 1681 02:16:05,760 --> 02:16:12,400 recommendation assuming that the uh amendment that's coming is not too 1682 02:16:10,320 --> 02:16:16,880 unfriendly. >> Councelor Oakley and then we're going to 1683 02:16:14,000 --> 02:16:20,239 go to [clears throat] the not too unfriendly amendment. 1684 02:16:18,560 --> 02:16:23,599 » Thank you, M. May. Uh I'm I'm largely going to agree with councelor Bell here 1685 02:16:21,599 --> 02:16:32,479 and and just add a couple of comments. Um, I think in terms of if if you 1686 02:16:27,679 --> 02:16:35,840 dropped us blind into um an option A or option B, option A being the current 1687 02:16:34,000 --> 02:16:42,639 system, option B being the one we're proposing, um, without the additional 1688 02:16:40,399 --> 02:16:46,399 famili familiarity we currently already have with the current system, I I 1689 02:16:44,800 --> 02:16:50,479 fundamentally don't believe that you're going to look at option A and go, this 1690 02:16:48,240 --> 02:16:55,760 is the least complex system. I think fundamentally system B will be the least 1691 02:16:52,719 --> 02:17:01,359 complex system. It's just by its very nature planning is complex. There's no 1692 02:16:58,160 --> 02:17:06,639 way to simplify it enough that it really truly speaks to a lay person like 1693 02:17:03,920 --> 02:17:11,439 myself. It's fundamentally a complex topic. Um and in terms of the types of 1694 02:17:09,920 --> 02:17:16,000 people it would help uh as councelor Bell highlighted you know in terms of 1695 02:17:12,880 --> 02:17:19,840 the large broadstroke developments uh lots of it's already spoken for but to 1696 02:17:18,319 --> 02:17:25,200 sort of speak from a sort of personal antidote um my mother recently moved um 1697 02:17:23,439 --> 02:17:30,639 out of Paris out of being councelor Bell's neighbor um and moved up north 1698 02:17:29,040 --> 02:17:33,679 moved in with my grandfather and throughout that process they had to 1699 02:17:31,920 --> 02:17:38,559 renovate the the current home that my grandfather was in and throughout that 1700 02:17:35,519 --> 02:17:42,960 process they undergo a very similar process to as we do now in Trent Hills 1701 02:17:41,200 --> 02:17:48,479 and numerous times over the course of that process. They'd apply, get their 1702 02:17:45,200 --> 02:17:52,960 permits, go great, we can go now. There was another step that they didn't wasn't 1703 02:17:51,439 --> 02:17:57,120 quite clear because there's another process to apply for and then another 1704 02:17:54,639 --> 02:18:02,240 process to apply for. You know, it it's not very concise. This process, I think, 1705 02:18:00,080 --> 02:18:06,000 fundamentally helps folks like that. And I've heard similar comments from local 1706 02:18:04,479 --> 02:18:09,679 residents who are trying to do something and then there's another step and 1707 02:18:07,599 --> 02:18:13,200 another step. This I think packages it so people have an understanding from the 1708 02:18:11,280 --> 02:18:17,280 outset what they're getting into and I think that will really help sort of 1709 02:18:15,439 --> 02:18:21,760 people trying to do things to their own property uh rather than necessarily how 1710 02:18:19,439 --> 02:18:25,280 it might benefit a developer. So I think ultimately this is the right direction 1711 02:18:23,040 --> 02:18:28,960 to go forward. There will be things to figure out. Every process is like that. 1712 02:18:27,679 --> 02:18:32,719 Nothing should be set in stone. Everything is intended to be iterative. 1713 02:18:30,479 --> 02:18:36,960 So, um I'm supportive of the staff recommendation. Again, we'll see about 1714 02:18:34,319 --> 02:18:41,760 the friendly unfriendly amendment. >> Councelor Pierce. 1715 02:18:39,120 --> 02:18:46,800 » Uh thank you, Mr. Mayor. Yeah, there's great discussion here and I I think if I 1716 02:18:44,080 --> 02:18:51,439 look back to when this all first when Brandon first brought this to us, the 1717 02:18:48,479 --> 02:18:57,679 question I asked, I said, is this going to make the process easier or is it 1718 02:18:54,960 --> 02:19:02,399 going to expedite the process? And what I meant by that was the fact of we don't 1719 02:19:00,000 --> 02:19:06,639 want things just flowing through, coming and going, coming and going, coming and 1720 02:19:03,840 --> 02:19:10,960 going. But the process itself has to be made easier. And and it's been said a 1721 02:19:08,559 --> 02:19:16,000 couple times tonight, planning is is one of the most complex, if not the most 1722 02:19:12,800 --> 02:19:21,120 complex thing as far as anybody around this horseshoe, I I think would agree as 1723 02:19:19,200 --> 02:19:25,280 what we have to know as council. there are there are so many policies and so 1724 02:19:22,880 --> 02:19:30,319 many uh stipulations put through by the province and stuff like that and we know 1725 02:19:27,599 --> 02:19:34,800 it more than um general public and I think if we can do a process that makes 1726 02:19:32,319 --> 02:19:39,200 it easier for the general public not expedites things there's still a process 1727 02:19:37,200 --> 02:19:43,840 there's still parameters and I think the key here and and Brandon has said it at 1728 02:19:41,280 --> 02:19:47,280 every single meetings we are able to make amendments and and it was alluded 1729 02:19:45,599 --> 02:19:50,479 to a couple times tonight we're not going to get this perfect right off the 1730 02:19:48,800 --> 02:19:55,840 hop we are going to make amendments ments to it and we will go and you know 1731 02:19:53,280 --> 02:19:59,280 as things come forward staff will look at them Brandon will look at them we 1732 02:19:57,280 --> 02:20:03,280 will we will discuss them as council and if we need to amend things we can we've 1733 02:20:01,920 --> 02:20:08,720 talked so many times around this horseshoe about putting some more 1734 02:20:05,280 --> 02:20:13,760 delegation back into staff hands this I think this allows that to happen but as 1735 02:20:11,120 --> 02:20:18,319 has been stated also staff at any time can bump this to council and council at 1736 02:20:16,240 --> 02:20:22,800 any time can ask to have it bumped to us as well so I don't think it's going to 1737 02:20:20,399 --> 02:20:28,560 exclude council from from input or making some of the decisions if we feel 1738 02:20:25,200 --> 02:20:32,000 we need to have input on it. Again, um what councelor Chambers had said, 1739 02:20:30,399 --> 02:20:35,760 absolutely. You know, the the current process we have, uh we know it. Why do 1740 02:20:34,399 --> 02:20:40,240 we know it? Because it's the only one we've had for as long as any of us have 1741 02:20:37,760 --> 02:20:44,160 been on council. Yes, this is new. It's going to be some growing pains to it, 1742 02:20:41,920 --> 02:20:48,160 but I too feel that this is definitely heading in a right direction. Um is it 1743 02:20:46,720 --> 02:20:51,760 going to be perfect right off the hop? No. And we've even had Brandon say that 1744 02:20:50,080 --> 02:20:56,319 numerous times. It's not going to be perfect, but we will get there. And in 1745 02:20:53,680 --> 02:21:01,359 my mind, if we can have parameters out there that have some flexibility within 1746 02:20:58,399 --> 02:21:05,680 them, but they are parameters that we can set and stay within, I think that's 1747 02:21:03,840 --> 02:21:09,359 a plus because as councelor Bell alluded to, and as I've said many times before, 1748 02:21:07,680 --> 02:21:12,479 he's absolutely right. We get these things that come in and they want they 1749 02:21:11,040 --> 02:21:16,880 want an amendment to this, an amendment to that, and and shorter distance here 1750 02:21:14,479 --> 02:21:21,439 and and setbacks and reduce this and reduce that. I think that's going to 1751 02:21:18,399 --> 02:21:26,080 alleviate a lot of that. So, I'm I'm I'm willing to to to hear what these uh 1752 02:21:23,520 --> 02:21:29,600 friendly non-friendly amendments are. Uh but I I I must admit even in the short 1753 02:21:28,399 --> 02:21:32,720 it's not been a short time. It's been well over a year that he's brought this 1754 02:21:30,960 --> 02:21:38,080 to us. And I think we've all learned a lot a lot more than what it was off the 1755 02:21:35,600 --> 02:21:41,520 hop. And I think as we go with this and if it goes through, we will continue to 1756 02:21:39,920 --> 02:21:46,319 learn from it. And we'll find that it is a it's a good move to make. And I am in 1757 02:21:43,600 --> 02:21:51,600 support of it. Councilman Calpine. 1758 02:21:49,600 --> 02:21:55,920 » So, I'd like to speak in support of it as well. Um I went through the process 1759 02:21:53,680 --> 02:22:01,600 about 10 years ago personally building a house and I can see where um sitting 1760 02:21:59,840 --> 02:22:07,760 down at the very beginning with staff and having uh understanding of what are 1761 02:22:04,399 --> 02:22:13,040 the needs of the the reports that we have to bring forward for it and bring 1762 02:22:09,840 --> 02:22:18,479 it into a more concise process so that could be done in a more um expedient 1763 02:22:15,680 --> 02:22:21,680 manner I think will be a real advantage especially for the lay person coming 1764 02:22:20,160 --> 02:22:25,840 into this process. not understanding the system and not 1765 02:22:23,439 --> 02:22:31,520 understanding necessarily everything. Um having that opportunity to have a staff 1766 02:22:28,479 --> 02:22:36,080 lead you through it and also eliminating the things that you don't necessarily 1767 02:22:33,040 --> 02:22:40,000 have to um go through. So I think this will be definitely a step forward for 1768 02:22:37,680 --> 02:22:43,000 the average person applying for this pro. 1769 02:22:43,520 --> 02:22:50,319 » Anything else before [clears throat] we go to councelor Miller? 1770 02:22:47,920 --> 02:22:54,720 Councelor Miller. Yeah. Uh thank you, Mr. Mayor. And uh 1771 02:22:52,319 --> 02:23:01,920 this evening we had a request from Paris Grand Estates. Uh they are looking for a 1772 02:22:58,160 --> 02:23:09,120 carveout from the CPPS. So um that would be uh I'd like to make that uh an 1773 02:23:04,560 --> 02:23:14,640 amendment to the CPBS motion. Um and the actual wording is it's pretty much as 1774 02:23:11,600 --> 02:23:21,200 written that they provided us. Um but basically that uh Paris Grand Estates be 1775 02:23:18,240 --> 02:23:25,840 allowed to continue under what they uh originally got approval for and that's 1776 02:23:22,640 --> 02:23:29,680 zoning bylaw 6116 until the full build out. So that's that's that's the 1777 02:23:27,280 --> 02:23:34,960 amendment. >> That's secondary. 1778 02:23:32,160 --> 02:23:39,600 » Secretary Keler Coleman that that's [clears throat] your 1779 02:23:36,800 --> 02:23:44,720 unfriendly amendment. >> Well, I didn't say it was unfriendly or 1780 02:23:41,920 --> 02:23:47,200 friendly. It just depends on your >> your viewpoint, I guess. 1781 02:23:45,920 --> 02:23:50,560 » I thought you were going to slap somebody. 1782 02:23:49,040 --> 02:23:55,200 » Okay. So, it's on the floor. It has a seconder. Um, councelor Oaklay. 1783 02:23:53,680 --> 02:23:59,439 » To you, I'm sir, I I won't be supportive of this amendment. Um, I think from uh 1784 02:23:57,760 --> 02:24:03,520 what I heard from the delegation and what I heard from from staff as well, I 1785 02:24:01,600 --> 02:24:09,280 think it's it's it at least to me it's quite crystal clear um that as the bylaw 1786 02:24:06,399 --> 02:24:13,760 is written now, the developer can choose to continue using what is already been 1787 02:24:11,760 --> 02:24:17,920 approved or if they felt it necessary, they could jump in with the new process. 1788 02:24:16,240 --> 02:24:22,640 Uh I don't see the purpose of the carveout. Um and I think it's wholly 1789 02:24:20,160 --> 02:24:26,240 unnecessary. Thank you, >> Councelor Chambers. 1790 02:24:24,080 --> 02:24:34,720 » Yeah, I I do support the amendment. I I believe that uh the group would have the 1791 02:24:29,200 --> 02:24:38,160 legal right to u be uh uh follow the system which they made the application 1792 02:24:36,479 --> 02:24:43,120 under. I think that's their right legally. 1793 02:24:40,080 --> 02:24:46,800 » Anything else before we call the vote? Everyone's clear what we're voting on. 1794 02:24:46,055 --> 02:24:51,000 [clears throat] Can the clerk read it back? 1795 02:25:02,319 --> 02:25:07,240 Mr. Mayor, I think it's a very long amendment. 1796 02:25:09,680 --> 02:25:15,000 » Well, I'm just going to pull it up. 1797 02:25:18,806 --> 02:25:23,359 » [snorts] >> We've talked about it for an hour, so I 1798 02:25:21,280 --> 02:25:28,280 I think it need it deserves the time to be read so that we know exactly what 1799 02:25:24,880 --> 02:25:28,280 we're voting on. 1800 02:25:36,000 --> 02:25:45,006 Everyone confident about voting without it being read back? 1801 02:25:41,600 --> 02:25:48,280 » Okay. Okay. All those in favor of [clears throat] the amendment 1802 02:25:48,560 --> 02:25:51,560 opposed. 1803 02:25:52,080 --> 02:25:55,960 So the amendment fails. 1804 02:25:56,560 --> 02:26:03,600 Now we'll go back. We'll go [clears throat] back and vote on the 1805 02:26:00,399 --> 02:26:08,000 original resolution. Councelor Cohen. >> Hey, Mr. Mayor. And uh at this time I'm 1806 02:26:05,680 --> 02:26:12,399 going to propose another amendment is that uh we had a delegation here earlier 1807 02:26:10,479 --> 02:26:17,520 Federation of Agriculture of Brand County and they were looking that we 1808 02:26:14,960 --> 02:26:23,040 could maybe propose this to ask us for a two-year delay for the rural areas and 1809 02:26:20,560 --> 02:26:26,880 and and put this in the system for the settlement areas right now for the 1810 02:26:24,880 --> 02:26:32,821 county and see how this works in two years. Seeking a seconder. 1811 02:26:30,160 --> 02:26:36,720 » Councelor Miller is your seconder. Is [clears throat] there any conversation 1812 02:26:33,680 --> 02:26:41,120 on the amendment? Councelor Kyle. >> Thanks, Mr. Mayor. Through you to to 1813 02:26:38,960 --> 02:26:47,920 staff. Um, so if we were to support this amendment, 1814 02:26:44,640 --> 02:26:52,880 what would be the additional administrative burden for running 1815 02:26:51,280 --> 02:27:02,160 essentially operating two separate systems? Are we looking at um increase 1816 02:26:56,160 --> 02:27:09,359 in cost to do so, delays anywhere? Um, is there any benefit to pilot versus 1817 02:27:06,000 --> 02:27:13,680 going all in? >> Um, through the mayor, I may ask Jeremy 1818 02:27:11,680 --> 02:27:19,439 to jump in on this one, but just from this project um perspective, um, just so 1819 02:27:18,080 --> 02:27:22,479 that you're aware of of the budget that's been spent on the project to 1820 02:27:20,800 --> 02:27:27,920 date, considering the entire municipality, $200,000 have gone into 1821 02:27:24,880 --> 02:27:32,240 this as well as the staff time for that. um and that has been to consider this 1822 02:27:29,520 --> 02:27:35,439 municipalwide. But um with respect to to adopting it specifically for the 1823 02:27:34,000 --> 02:27:38,800 settlement areas and and that administrative burden, I'll ask maybe 1824 02:27:36,800 --> 02:27:42,720 Jeremy to comment on that. >> Uh so through the mayor to the councelor 1825 02:27:41,040 --> 02:27:45,520 definitely the administrative burden you're going to be running two parallel 1826 02:27:43,840 --> 02:27:50,000 systems as Brandon mentioned which is going to be complex for staff to define 1827 02:27:48,000 --> 02:27:53,680 define to people and explain to people as well as the public to understand. So 1828 02:27:52,160 --> 02:27:58,240 there there's going to be confusion for everyone and a lot of complexity. What 1829 02:27:55,920 --> 02:28:01,040 will also have to happen is you'll need to continue with the committee of 1830 02:27:59,359 --> 02:28:03,760 adjustment for the rural areas. So you're now going to have an 1831 02:28:01,600 --> 02:28:08,399 administrative cost which we were not intending to carry forward. So you're 1832 02:28:05,920 --> 02:28:11,439 adding extra costs, staff time and resources and impacts that will be 1833 02:28:10,080 --> 02:28:16,720 taking place here. Mult different reports structures 1834 02:28:13,760 --> 02:28:20,160 etc. So yes, there'll be a lot more duplication of elements that are 1835 02:28:18,640 --> 02:28:24,800 unnecessary. And then the question will lie still 1836 02:28:23,120 --> 02:28:28,560 part of the reason we're doing the CPPS is when we completed the official plan 1837 02:28:27,040 --> 02:28:33,040 under the planning act, we are required to update our zoning to bring be brought 1838 02:28:30,479 --> 02:28:36,800 into conformity. So you've only then addressed a portion of the problem. we 1839 02:28:35,120 --> 02:28:39,439 will have to address that rural portion at some point and bring it into 1840 02:28:38,160 --> 02:28:42,800 conformity in accordance with the planning act or we're going to be 1841 02:28:41,280 --> 02:28:47,520 outside of the planning act and in trouble potentially that way. So there's 1842 02:28:45,040 --> 02:28:51,760 at some point we have to resolve this. Um, and as Brandon mentioned, it is, 1843 02:28:50,080 --> 02:28:56,560 we've been told by other municipalities, don't run do both systems. Who've done 1844 02:28:53,920 --> 02:29:01,520 it? They said, don't go right to it. It's less complicated, less complex. I 1845 02:28:59,600 --> 02:29:05,680 would reiterate repeatedly, it's not going to like 1846 02:29:03,520 --> 02:29:08,800 when you change the systems, the same issues are still going to be there to 1847 02:29:07,520 --> 02:29:12,720 some extent that was raised by the agricultural community is who's 1848 02:29:11,439 --> 02:29:16,240 reviewing, how often they're reviewing, and are they going to the agricultural 1849 02:29:13,840 --> 02:29:20,080 advisory committee? Those are all be can be addressed in the CPPS just as well. 1850 02:29:18,560 --> 02:29:24,479 Uh we have the staff, we have the resources and we still can rely on the 1851 02:29:21,600 --> 02:29:28,720 agricultural uh advisory committee for questions or applications and uh we're 1852 02:29:27,280 --> 02:29:32,640 working with them on terms of reference to adjust to give them that greater 1853 02:29:30,720 --> 02:29:36,640 flexibility to see some applications as necessary because their current terms of 1854 02:29:34,960 --> 02:29:39,439 reference are actually more limited than they think of what they can see. So 1855 02:29:38,479 --> 02:29:42,439 we're providing some greater flexibility. 1856 02:29:43,200 --> 02:29:48,720 Councelor Chambers. Yeah, I I was just going to say I think 1857 02:29:47,120 --> 02:29:53,680 the vast majority of the applications in the 1858 02:29:51,760 --> 02:29:58,479 rural areas uh would benefit from this system 1859 02:29:55,920 --> 02:30:04,280 because they are simpler and it it could be expedited and uh 1860 02:30:04,800 --> 02:30:16,319 made it easier to understand provided that the staff has an 1861 02:30:11,280 --> 02:30:21,840 understanding of the rural areas. this uh if you're born in metro Toronto, 1862 02:30:20,000 --> 02:30:27,520 you have a difficult time in understanding how rural Ontario works uh 1863 02:30:25,200 --> 02:30:35,200 just the way it is. And it's not that they don't can't be made aware, but 1864 02:30:32,080 --> 02:30:41,439 there is a a difference. And I think staff through training and and and I 1865 02:30:39,040 --> 02:30:47,120 think Brandon has has mentioned this, there is that uh expertise and and 1866 02:30:43,920 --> 02:30:53,439 that's readily available. So I think it actually is a benefit to the rural areas 1867 02:30:49,600 --> 02:30:59,280 to have this in place provided that our staff develops that understanding for 1868 02:30:56,160 --> 02:31:07,120 the rural areas and I think that is one thing that I can say that I do feel 1869 02:31:02,479 --> 02:31:11,840 confident in uh that that awareness uh will be there. 1870 02:31:09,600 --> 02:31:14,960 » Councelor House. Um [clears throat] 1871 02:31:12,399 --> 02:31:22,000 thank you Mr. mayor through you. Uh, normally I I try to be respectful and uh 1872 02:31:19,680 --> 02:31:27,760 uh responsive to the voices from our rural counterparts and on this one I'm 1873 02:31:24,080 --> 02:31:32,319 I'm not going to be able to. I I believe we need a policy framework 1874 02:31:29,760 --> 02:31:37,920 that's municipalwide and and I have confidence in the the 1875 02:31:36,319 --> 02:31:44,240 staff and the incredible work they've done. I I really enjoyed counselor Bell 1876 02:31:41,439 --> 02:31:50,640 reminding us of that training session rowing the boat. Um and and and that's 1877 02:31:47,680 --> 02:31:56,000 always stuck with me too. So, but I on this particular issue I I 1878 02:31:53,600 --> 02:32:00,160 I'm listening to senior staff and their discussion of some of the challenges 1879 02:31:58,640 --> 02:32:03,680 that would be attached to running parallel systems. I just can't support 1880 02:32:01,840 --> 02:32:09,600 it. So, >> councelor Haley. 1881 02:32:06,319 --> 02:32:13,760 » Uh yes. Um, I was quite troubled by the CPPS and I came in tonight with mixed 1882 02:32:11,600 --> 02:32:19,600 feelings and probably leaning the way that councelor Miller has um, uh, 1883 02:32:16,479 --> 02:32:24,000 proposed. Uh, but um, I I spoke with staff and and I've been listening. I 1884 02:32:21,760 --> 02:32:29,840 guess I really appreciate that we could reduce uh, cases that go to the OOLT. 1885 02:32:27,520 --> 02:32:34,000 That's really important to me. Um, my priority would be to protect farmland 1886 02:32:31,920 --> 02:32:39,600 and to make sure that onfarmm diversified and onfarm industrial is not 1887 02:32:36,960 --> 02:32:45,920 misused, that we protect farmland and the farming community. Um, I'm a bit 1888 02:32:42,560 --> 02:32:49,280 puzzled by councelor Bell's comment um because he mentioned that Paris is 1889 02:32:47,520 --> 02:32:53,680 pretty well built out and St. George is pretty well planned to be built out, but 1890 02:32:51,200 --> 02:33:00,479 we in W five we have Kainesville, Mount Pleasant, Airport, Oakland, Anadega, 1891 02:32:56,399 --> 02:33:04,479 Middleport. So um uh when councelor Bell implies that um Paris is pretty well 1892 02:33:02,800 --> 02:33:11,520 built out then this will really apply to our communities uh in W 5 especially um 1893 02:33:09,200 --> 02:33:14,960 I really feel that the public needs to understand this. It's been really hard 1894 02:33:12,880 --> 02:33:19,840 for us for myself to understand it. It's it's pretty complex. Um and I I just 1895 02:33:18,080 --> 02:33:24,720 feel that we really need to help the public to understand it. Um so those are 1896 02:33:23,040 --> 02:33:28,720 some of my thoughts on it. I I do appreciate that we could reduce the 1897 02:33:26,399 --> 02:33:31,720 cases going to oil to the Ontario Land Tribunal. 1898 02:33:32,560 --> 02:33:37,359 » Anyone else have a comment before we call the vote on the amendment? 1899 02:33:35,439 --> 02:33:42,720 Councelor Coleman. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um I'm in favor of 1900 02:33:40,319 --> 02:33:46,319 the amendment. I guess I put it forward, but [sighs and gasps] 1901 02:33:44,720 --> 02:33:51,680 councelor Chambers brought it up here a little earlier about a half an hour ago 1902 02:33:48,240 --> 02:33:57,680 or maybe 45 minutes ago about planning. planning is black and white, but most of 1903 02:33:55,040 --> 02:34:01,439 it falls in a gray area. And this is what I'm concerned about this new 1904 02:33:59,600 --> 02:34:07,040 system. It's gray area. How do you make it work? 1905 02:34:05,840 --> 02:34:10,880 And we've [clears throat] talked about maybe not always having the most 1906 02:34:08,479 --> 02:34:15,840 expertise and in our staff sometimes on agriculture uh 1907 02:34:13,920 --> 02:34:22,319 adisement and whatnot to make those things work. But I think we need to take 1908 02:34:18,880 --> 02:34:28,800 it slower on the rural area for two years. That's all I'm asking for. And we 1909 02:34:26,160 --> 02:34:34,160 keep referring to that boat. Well, some boats sink. And I don't want 1910 02:34:31,280 --> 02:34:40,080 to see this happen. >> Oh my god. Councelor Miller. 1911 02:34:36,880 --> 02:34:44,720 » No, I I I support the two-year slowdown. Um, even Brandon admitted, you know, 1912 02:34:42,479 --> 02:34:49,040 that's the biggest concerns. We're not quite sure. We we're hoping when we go 1913 02:34:46,880 --> 02:34:52,880 live it works, and I don't doubt it will. There will be adjustments along 1914 02:34:50,720 --> 02:34:56,160 the way. Um, nobody's asking it not to be applied to the rural areas. What 1915 02:34:54,240 --> 02:35:01,760 we're asking for is just a two-year pause. That's it. And I find, especially 1916 02:34:59,760 --> 02:35:06,720 government, municipalities, uh, the quicker you go, the more likely you make 1917 02:35:03,600 --> 02:35:14,240 a mistake. So usually uh cautious and plotting is is the best way forward. 1918 02:35:11,520 --> 02:35:20,080 » Okay. Anyone else have anything else to say before we call the vote? 1919 02:35:17,359 --> 02:35:29,040 So the vote is on the amendment to delay the rural [clears throat] for two years. 1920 02:35:25,439 --> 02:35:32,040 All those in favor? Opposed? 1921 02:35:32,160 --> 02:35:38,000 fails. Anything else anyone has to put on the 1922 02:35:36,080 --> 02:35:40,720 table? Councelor Kyle, >> nothing else to put on the table, but I 1923 02:35:39,359 --> 02:35:43,840 have comments whenever there's >> Yeah, 1924 02:35:41,359 --> 02:35:51,120 » this is a good time for your comments. >> Yeah. So, um I just wanted to talk a 1925 02:35:47,280 --> 02:35:57,359 little bit about why I I support the CPS P CPPS recommendation as staff had laid 1926 02:35:53,680 --> 02:36:05,280 it out. Um, if I think about ourselves, we just recently went through a barn, a 1927 02:36:01,600 --> 02:36:09,920 new barn building. And, um, having gone through the the process, I can agree 1928 02:36:07,680 --> 02:36:14,800 with lots of residents who have come to me with with questions and complaints 1929 02:36:12,000 --> 02:36:18,240 over the years about how, you know, how complicated it is. They don't know where 1930 02:36:16,319 --> 02:36:23,200 to start. So, I do really think that especially for some of these more simple 1931 02:36:21,040 --> 02:36:30,240 um less complex things that this is a good a good system. Um I know by nature 1932 02:36:27,040 --> 02:36:34,800 that because I'm raised by farmers, I'm married to a farmer, surrounded by 1933 02:36:32,319 --> 02:36:39,920 farmers, work for farmers. Farmers are some of the most change averse people 1934 02:36:37,359 --> 02:36:45,520 that I've ever met. Um and I am one of those. So, uh I definitely can say that. 1935 02:36:42,960 --> 02:36:50,479 Um, but one thing that I hear all the time over and over again and and um I've 1936 02:36:48,000 --> 02:36:54,479 even heard my father-in-law utter it um in with respect to people asking us, you 1937 02:36:52,880 --> 02:36:58,960 know, how is the new barn? How's the new barn working out? And my father-in-law 1938 02:36:56,720 --> 02:37:04,800 said, it's working out great. Why didn't we do it sooner? So, I think that's 1939 02:37:01,760 --> 02:37:09,359 that's a common comment for a lot of our our rural a lot of our rural neighbors 1940 02:37:07,040 --> 02:37:13,760 and friends that we all wish we would have done something sooner than we 1941 02:37:11,359 --> 02:37:19,040 actually did it. Um, but it takes us a long time to get there. Um, so I do 1942 02:37:17,120 --> 02:37:24,000 think that staff has put a lot of time and and effort. There's been a lot of uh 1943 02:37:21,600 --> 02:37:28,240 resources put into this planning exercise and making sure that we've got 1944 02:37:26,399 --> 02:37:33,120 as much of it figured out as we possibly can before we put it into play. Um, and 1945 02:37:31,120 --> 02:37:38,800 so now it's just time to fire up the robot and see if it milks the cows, so 1946 02:37:35,040 --> 02:37:43,040 to speak. So, um, I don't see today's decision as the end of the work either. 1947 02:37:41,439 --> 02:37:47,359 I think that's been made very clear by the staff that it's the beginning of the 1948 02:37:45,439 --> 02:37:51,280 implementation and that there'll be lots of checks and balances and ability to 1949 02:37:49,680 --> 02:37:56,080 bring it back. So, if there are things that aren't quite firing the way we need 1950 02:37:53,359 --> 02:37:59,680 them to fire, um they can they can come back. We can listen to residents, we can 1951 02:37:57,760 --> 02:38:03,439 listen to staff, we can we can bring those concerns forward and we can make 1952 02:38:01,280 --> 02:38:09,520 adjustments and improve as we as we see fit. So, with that in mind, um I'm going 1953 02:38:06,880 --> 02:38:13,920 to support the staff recommendation, noting that I will certainly be 1954 02:38:12,080 --> 02:38:17,359 following it closely to make sure that there are those things that are being 1955 02:38:15,760 --> 02:38:22,160 tweaked that need to be tweaked as we go. 1956 02:38:18,880 --> 02:38:27,600 » Yeah. Any other comments, councelor Chambers? 1957 02:38:24,640 --> 02:38:34,080 Um yes, I I just wanted to u make a comment and and then uh perhaps 1958 02:38:30,960 --> 02:38:38,800 another amendment and just to show you the complexity the 1959 02:38:36,080 --> 02:38:43,439 recommendation that's before us. Uh one of the uh operative clauses that council 1960 02:38:41,359 --> 02:38:48,080 approve the necessary amendments to related operational bylaws including 1961 02:38:46,399 --> 02:38:52,240 fees and charges, committee of adjustment, sign bylaw, fence bylaw, 1962 02:38:50,399 --> 02:38:59,120 property standards bylaw, delegation authority bylaw. So this does have 1963 02:38:54,080 --> 02:39:05,120 farreaching uh uh feelers into the whole operation of of of the uh the county in 1964 02:39:02,160 --> 02:39:11,520 many ways. But that's not what I wanted to uh amend. Uh I I'm concerned about 1965 02:39:09,280 --> 02:39:16,880 the operative clause that council directs staff to implement the facility 1966 02:39:14,640 --> 02:39:22,880 services and matters framework and further consider a long-term FSM 1967 02:39:19,600 --> 02:39:29,920 strategy to inform future budget. Why are we implementing it before we have a 1968 02:39:26,240 --> 02:39:35,280 consideration of the uh long-term strategy? Why don't we understand it 1969 02:39:33,359 --> 02:39:39,120 first and know what it's going to be before we implement it? 1970 02:39:38,000 --> 02:39:42,319 » Brandon, >> uh through the mayor. So, what I would 1971 02:39:40,479 --> 02:39:48,160 say to that is that we do understand that we need it and that we have the 1972 02:39:44,399 --> 02:39:51,200 opportunity to um to leverage this tool. We would have done the same thing with 1973 02:39:49,520 --> 02:39:57,040 community benefits charges. that's kind of the outside of the the CPPS. What 1974 02:39:55,120 --> 02:40:00,479 this strategy will do is give us the opportunity to have the conversation 1975 02:39:58,640 --> 02:40:04,720 specifically with the public about where they want the funds to go. So, we have 1976 02:40:02,720 --> 02:40:09,760 ideas of that. We know where those gaps are. Um, but we've heard from from 1977 02:40:08,240 --> 02:40:13,280 council and from the public that there's certain things that maybe aren't well 1978 02:40:11,760 --> 02:40:16,800 understood or maybe haven't had that conversation with the public. And the 1979 02:40:15,200 --> 02:40:22,240 intention behind this direction is simply to to point out that this 1980 02:40:19,120 --> 02:40:26,319 specific piece where that money is spent is going to go back for public 1981 02:40:23,840 --> 02:40:32,319 consideration. And if I might just ask you to further expand on on there was a 1982 02:40:28,880 --> 02:40:39,760 comment in comment in one of the u u addendum uh submissions with regard to 1983 02:40:36,880 --> 02:40:47,520 double dipping. Why are we charging this on top of development charges? And is 1984 02:40:42,720 --> 02:40:53,520 that not just uh milking the cow to use the uh analogies that are being uh used 1985 02:40:51,920 --> 02:40:57,520 » uh through the mayor. This is a tool enabled by uh the planning act and by 1986 02:40:55,680 --> 02:41:00,960 the provincial government. We are not allowed to double dip. We will not be 1987 02:40:59,120 --> 02:41:04,560 double dipping. And that is part of why this strategy will be necessary for that 1988 02:41:02,800 --> 02:41:10,359 transparency to show people where that money is going to be going um and how it 1989 02:41:07,040 --> 02:41:10,359 will be spent. 1990 02:41:10,479 --> 02:41:17,120 » Does that come with a recommendation or a anything? No, 1991 02:41:15,040 --> 02:41:21,040 » I just wanted the explanation to to clarify what that actually is meaning to 1992 02:41:19,600 --> 02:41:26,560 the to the people. >> Okay. Any other comments, concerns 1993 02:41:23,040 --> 02:41:29,920 before we call the vote on the original the original [clears throat] resolution 1994 02:41:27,760 --> 02:41:34,319 that's in front of us? My only comments are for the 1995 02:41:32,802 --> 02:41:41,280 [clears throat] for the eight years that I've been the mayor, I've watched senior 1996 02:41:36,800 --> 02:41:46,960 staff um call expert witnesses, farmers. I sit on the agricultural committee. We 1997 02:41:44,000 --> 02:41:52,000 we know where the information lies. We know we're not afraid to call them in 1998 02:41:49,280 --> 02:41:57,120 and ask them things. It's it's why the county of Brandt has been successful. 1999 02:41:54,880 --> 02:42:01,920 The 11 people around the horseshoe have never said they know everything, but we 2000 02:41:59,359 --> 02:42:05,439 know the right people to ask. And I see the people in the room and and half of 2001 02:42:03,680 --> 02:42:12,160 them are the people that would be on the list of people to ask if we had 2002 02:42:08,000 --> 02:42:15,760 concerns. And this is only um farming, but we do it for everything. We do it 2003 02:42:13,920 --> 02:42:20,479 for everything we're not sure of. We ask people and I think that's the magic of 2004 02:42:18,399 --> 02:42:25,840 counselors and the mayor is we get elected because we know people and we 2005 02:42:22,640 --> 02:42:31,359 know people and we don't forget who elected us and we make sure that we make 2006 02:42:29,040 --> 02:42:37,040 good decisions. And I think with staff being as as professional and and putting 2007 02:42:34,240 --> 02:42:42,479 in the time for this report, this is a a crazy involved uh system for us to be 2008 02:42:40,000 --> 02:42:47,520 going on. if they say it's easier and it's c we know the people to ask when we 2009 02:42:45,120 --> 02:42:51,840 need to know answers before we make decisions. So I have confidence in staff 2010 02:42:50,160 --> 02:42:56,640 and I have confidence in the people in this room that know um and we would ask 2011 02:42:54,800 --> 02:43:01,600 them. We would consult them. So I have no trouble supporting uh this in front 2012 02:42:59,600 --> 02:43:07,520 of us because I know that we won't do it alone. Why would we when we have all 2013 02:43:03,920 --> 02:43:10,560 this uh talent or expertise at our fingertips? 2014 02:43:08,960 --> 02:43:14,640 If there's nobody else that has anything to say, I'm going to call the vote on 2015 02:43:12,240 --> 02:43:20,240 the original recommendation in front of us. Could I have it read just for the u 2016 02:43:17,600 --> 02:43:25,240 the clerk read the for the people that are watching it which I Okay 2017 02:43:29,120 --> 02:43:36,960 worship um it reads as follows that report 0257-26 2018 02:43:34,399 --> 02:43:41,439 community planning permit system final final recommendation of um adoption be 2019 02:43:39,280 --> 02:43:48,640 received as information that report 0298-26 2020 02:43:44,160 --> 02:43:51,840 updated ating report 027 or 57-26B received as information. The council 2021 02:43:50,399 --> 02:43:54,800 adopt the official plan amendment for the community planning permit system 2022 02:43:53,439 --> 02:43:59,840 policies within the county of Brand official plan. The council passed the 2023 02:43:56,640 --> 02:44:06,160 final version of the CPP bylaw with an effective date of August 22nd, 2026. The 2024 02:44:02,880 --> 02:44:11,840 council repeal zoning bylaw 61-16 as amended in the site plan control bylaw 2025 02:44:08,160 --> 02:44:17,040 on August 22nd, 2026 to be replaced by the CPP bylaw. The council authorizes 2026 02:44:14,880 --> 02:44:20,160 staff to implement the CPPs, including the transition provisions, 2027 02:44:18,479 --> 02:44:24,960 administrative procedures, public education materials, staff training, 2028 02:44:22,399 --> 02:44:28,560 application form updates, city view integration, and related implementation 2029 02:44:26,880 --> 02:44:32,399 activities described in this report for the purposes of creating a one window 2030 02:44:30,319 --> 02:44:37,680 development application process. The council approves a delegation of 2031 02:44:34,240 --> 02:44:41,439 decision-making authority for a CPP uh in accordance with the community 2032 02:44:39,359 --> 02:44:45,359 planning permit bylaw. The council approved the necessary amendments to 2033 02:44:43,279 --> 02:44:49,359 related operational bylaws including the fees and charges bylaw, committee of 2034 02:44:47,520 --> 02:44:53,279 adjustment bylaw, sign bylaw, offense bylaw, property standards bylaw, and 2035 02:44:51,279 --> 02:44:57,279 delegation of authority bylaw generally as described in this report and attached 2036 02:44:55,520 --> 02:45:00,880 that council direct staff to implement the facilities services and matters 2037 02:44:59,120 --> 02:45:05,840 framework and further consider a long-term FSM strategy to inform future 2038 02:45:03,760 --> 02:45:09,680 budget and capital planning discussions and that council direct staff to monitor 2039 02:45:07,600 --> 02:45:13,359 the implementation of the CPPs with regular reporting to council and 2040 02:45:11,520 --> 02:45:19,120 continued opportunities for count for public input into the new framework. 2041 02:45:16,720 --> 02:45:22,760 » Everyone's clear. All those [clears throat] in favor? 2042 02:45:22,880 --> 02:45:30,479 Opposed? Noted. Thank you. 2043 02:45:28,160 --> 02:45:38,279 Okay. Are we going to keep going or you want a break? 2044 02:45:32,479 --> 02:45:38,279 » Break. Take take a 10 five minute break. 2045 02:55:55,439 --> 02:56:09,640 Thank you. Okay, so we are now at 10.2 and I need a mover to get on the floor. 2046 02:56:04,960 --> 02:56:09,640 Councelor Coleman, Councelor House, 2047 02:56:10,399 --> 02:56:18,720 does anyone have any questions to what's in front of us? Councelor Miller, 2048 02:56:16,800 --> 02:56:22,479 » just a quick question. Mr. Mayor, and I I don't want to say that no good deed 2049 02:56:20,240 --> 02:56:25,600 goes unpunished, but and I know where this come from, councelor Coleman 2050 02:56:23,680 --> 02:56:30,960 brought forward, and in the report, it states how how bad a shape Oxbow Road 2051 02:56:28,720 --> 02:56:37,840 is. And my question is, if it's in that bad a shape, and don't we do a um a 2052 02:56:34,880 --> 02:56:42,880 roads assessment um condition every year when why wasn't this identified earlier? 2053 02:56:40,560 --> 02:56:46,960 And are we saying that there's just so many bad roads in the county that this 2054 02:56:44,960 --> 02:56:52,399 just didn't make the list? I'm just trying to understand why it got missed. 2055 02:56:50,000 --> 02:56:57,840 » So through the mayor uh to councelor Miller. Um yeah, it wasn't so much as it 2056 02:56:55,840 --> 02:57:04,560 it was missed. We we did know that the condition was in poor shape. Just that 2057 02:57:00,080 --> 02:57:08,080 road in itself is very very low volume. So when we're planning our capital 2058 02:57:06,479 --> 02:57:11,920 program, it's it's the later of your your statement is it's hard to 2059 02:57:10,080 --> 02:57:15,520 prioritize. But then when councelor Coleman brought it forward, we went and 2060 02:57:14,160 --> 02:57:19,840 looked at it and and at the end of the day, we need to fix the roads. So we 2061 02:57:17,520 --> 02:57:24,800 went back, some projects were ending and we we basically found the money to be 2062 02:57:21,600 --> 02:57:28,240 able to proceed with it. >> Okay. Thank you. 2063 02:57:26,479 --> 02:57:33,200 » Any other questions before we call the vote? And all [clears throat] those in 2064 02:57:30,240 --> 02:57:39,279 favor? Opposed? Carried. Thank you. Uh we've 2065 02:57:36,720 --> 02:57:45,760 moved 10.3 to after the in camera session. uh to talk about the library 2066 02:57:43,760 --> 02:57:49,399 and then [clears throat] we have already talked about 10.4, 2067 02:57:49,600 --> 02:57:56,399 » haven't we? Oh, okay. I need I need someone to get 2068 02:57:54,080 --> 02:58:00,640 on the floor then. Councelor Bell and Councelor Coleman. 2069 02:57:59,243 --> 02:58:03,920 [clears throat] Who's going to speak to this then? 2070 02:58:01,760 --> 02:58:09,359 » Cheryl is here to answer questions. >> Cheryl is here to answer questions. 2071 02:58:06,720 --> 02:58:12,439 questions on this report that's in front of you. 2072 02:58:12,560 --> 02:58:22,120 No. Call the vote. All those in favor? 2073 02:58:18,000 --> 02:58:22,120 Opposed? Carried. 2074 02:58:22,160 --> 02:58:29,200 Communications is next. 11.1. Can I get it on the 2075 02:58:27,680 --> 02:58:37,840 floor? Councelor House and Councelor Kyle. 2076 02:58:33,600 --> 02:58:43,439 Thank you. Uh, it's a min a minister a ministry 2077 02:58:39,680 --> 02:58:51,760 letter for uh housing for strong mayor's powers. Any questions to that? 2078 02:58:47,279 --> 02:58:57,680 Are those in favor just to receive it? Uh 12 or 11.1 I need on the floor 2079 02:58:54,720 --> 02:59:05,120 please. Councelor somebody councelor councelor Pierce seconded by 2080 02:59:01,680 --> 02:59:10,960 councelor Oakley just to receive any questions all those 2081 02:59:08,800 --> 02:59:16,560 in favor opposed carried uh [clears throat] 11.3 2082 02:59:14,960 --> 02:59:22,479 which is grand river conservation authority letter get on the floor please 2083 02:59:19,680 --> 02:59:24,720 councelor Miller and councelor house questions 2084 02:59:24,880 --> 02:59:32,479 about the letter. Seeing now, we'll call the vote. All those in favor 2085 02:59:29,680 --> 02:59:38,080 opposed carried. Um 11.4, which is the Grand River 2086 02:59:35,439 --> 02:59:41,439 Conservation Authority letter. Uh just the draft budget. Can I get a mover to 2087 02:59:39,920 --> 02:59:47,200 get on the floor, please? Councelor Coleman and Councelor Haley. Any 2088 02:59:45,279 --> 02:59:54,000 questions to the letter for the opposed draft budget? All those in favor? 2089 02:59:50,960 --> 03:00:00,080 Opposed? carried community planning permit system correspondence to staff. 2090 02:59:56,800 --> 03:00:05,920 Oh, we did that already. Resolutions. We have 12.1 which is a proclamation 2091 03:00:02,319 --> 03:00:09,760 request for the suicide prevention. Uh Brandt, can I get it on the floor, 2092 03:00:07,279 --> 03:00:14,000 please? Councelor Haley, councelor Kyle, any questions or concerns about doing 2093 03:00:11,520 --> 03:00:19,439 that proclamation? Seeing none, all those in favor? 2094 03:00:16,080 --> 03:00:23,840 Opposed? Carried. Uh 12.2, 2 which is a proclamation again 2095 03:00:22,319 --> 03:00:28,960 the international society of research and advoc advocacy development 2096 03:00:26,399 --> 03:00:34,160 coordinator disorder it's a long one different uh get it on the floor 2097 03:00:32,720 --> 03:00:38,080 councelor Pierce wants to put it on the floor I need a seconder councelor house 2098 03:00:36,880 --> 03:00:43,120 thank you any [clears throat] conversation or concerns about that 2099 03:00:41,520 --> 03:00:48,560 proclamation call the vote all those in favor 2100 03:00:46,880 --> 03:00:53,359 carried and the [clears throat] Last one is the 2101 03:00:50,399 --> 03:00:58,880 Grand River Grand River Eerie Public Health. I'm sure that councelor Bell 2102 03:00:56,000 --> 03:01:05,680 wants to put that on the floor. Yeah, you have a second. Councelor House. Any 2103 03:01:01,760 --> 03:01:08,880 concerns about this request? Seeing none, we'll call the vote. All 2104 03:01:06,960 --> 03:01:13,359 those in favor? Opposed and carried. Other business. 2105 03:01:11,760 --> 03:01:16,960 Does anyone have any other business? I didn't ask earlier because I couldn't 2106 03:01:14,960 --> 03:01:22,560 talk very well earlier. I'm talking better now. Do you have anything that 2107 03:01:18,880 --> 03:01:26,399 you want to add further business? Seeing nothing. Councelor updates. Is 2108 03:01:24,800 --> 03:01:32,880 there anything in anyone's ward that you want the public to know about? It's time 2109 03:01:29,120 --> 03:01:36,000 to talk about it. No, nothing going on. Councelor Oakley, what's going on? 2110 03:01:34,319 --> 03:01:40,880 » Yes. Through through you, Mr. Mayor. Uh we did have a delegation earlier on it 2111 03:01:37,680 --> 03:01:44,720 about the uh the the the Poppy workshop tomorrow. I attended last week. I uh 2112 03:01:43,600 --> 03:01:48,240 they've had them all throughout the month of July throughout the day. and I 2113 03:01:46,960 --> 03:01:52,319 uh commented on Facebook just half-hazardly wish I could make it. I 2114 03:01:50,640 --> 03:01:56,479 work during the day. So, they've opened up two evening sessions which was very 2115 03:01:54,399 --> 03:01:59,920 wonderful. I attended last week. I'll be attending tomorrow and I encourage 2116 03:01:57,760 --> 03:02:03,200 everyone to come out and uh help attach some poppies to nets and uh it'll be a 2117 03:02:02,479 --> 03:02:10,160 good time. >> Okay, Councelor Chambers. 2118 03:02:06,160 --> 03:02:16,800 and and that jogs my memory. The U u crosswalk uh for celebrating the 2119 03:02:12,960 --> 03:02:21,120 Legion's 100th anniversary in in Berford very very well received and and I thank 2120 03:02:19,040 --> 03:02:25,760 Councelor Miller for for sticking with that and uh I know I was at the Legion 2121 03:02:23,200 --> 03:02:30,080 the other night and and that was uh one of the topics of conversation and it was 2122 03:02:28,479 --> 03:02:33,760 it's wellreceived in the community. >> Yeah, it's great that it all I'm glad 2123 03:02:31,920 --> 03:02:37,520 that we got them done on time too. Councelor Miller um maybe through 2124 03:02:36,311 --> 03:02:43,439 [clears throat] through to the clerk possibly. Um there was a request from uh 2125 03:02:41,200 --> 03:02:48,319 ambulance committee. Uh maybe we get a delegation going at AMO, but has has 2126 03:02:46,240 --> 03:02:53,760 those requests has that date come and gone? Does anybody know? 2127 03:02:50,560 --> 03:02:57,600 » I I I think they have come and gone >> through your worship to councelor 2128 03:02:55,359 --> 03:03:02,319 Miller. Um yes, they they do require those uh quite early unfortunately. So 2129 03:03:00,479 --> 03:03:06,960 um that date has definitely passed for for AMO. Um, but if there's something 2130 03:03:04,960 --> 03:03:10,640 you want us to put forward moving forward, we can 2131 03:03:08,240 --> 03:03:15,200 » have we received uh notification if if we've got if we've received any um 2132 03:03:13,359 --> 03:03:18,560 delegations like I know we put in a couple requests. 2133 03:03:17,120 --> 03:03:22,720 » Through your worship to council, I believe we only have MTO that's been 2134 03:03:20,560 --> 03:03:25,760 granted at this time. I' I'd look to Adam to confirm that. 2135 03:03:24,560 --> 03:03:30,080 » Excuse [clears throat] me. Uh through your worship. Uh yes. So we have 2136 03:03:27,439 --> 03:03:33,439 received word we received word late last week. There'll be a briefing note coming 2137 03:03:31,520 --> 03:03:37,760 to you. Okay. uh for the Bishop's Gate Road interchange with the MTO. The other 2138 03:03:35,279 --> 03:03:41,840 delegation request was um with energy and mines for the rural natural gas and 2139 03:03:39,760 --> 03:03:46,800 we have yet to hear back from that. >> Okay. Yeah. Cuz um we won't get a chance 2140 03:03:44,000 --> 03:03:50,000 to ask before uh AMO. So um and the bishop's gate I mean that's should be 2141 03:03:48,160 --> 03:03:55,600 straightforward presentation just the same one we presented the last five 2142 03:03:51,760 --> 03:04:00,319 times. So okay. Thank you. 15. Yeah. >> You sound so cynical about it council 2143 03:03:57,600 --> 03:04:06,399 really. I I've got I've got a couple of meetings. Uh yeah, with Six Nations and 2144 03:04:03,359 --> 03:04:13,120 and actually one with Mayor Davis. So it'll be a fun-filled event. Um anything 2145 03:04:10,479 --> 03:04:16,319 else? Our mural in St. George on the Legion is finished and it looks 2146 03:04:14,479 --> 03:04:21,760 beautiful. So we don't get a crosswalk, but we get a pretty dandy looking mural. 2147 03:04:18,960 --> 03:04:26,880 So if you're driving by St. George, uh take a look. It's really beautiful. So, 2148 03:04:25,359 --> 03:04:29,120 okay, we're going to go in camera now and councelor Oakley is going to take us 2149 03:04:28,319 --> 03:04:32,319 there. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Moved by myself 2150 03:04:30,800 --> 03:04:38,880 and seconded by councelor Coleman that the county branch council convene in 2151 03:04:34,319 --> 03:04:42,960 Cameron to discuss S.2392C, a proposed or pending acquisition or 2152 03:04:40,880 --> 03:04:47,600 disposition of land by the municipality or local board, new central branch 2153 03:04:45,279 --> 03:04:52,640 library property acquisition. uh an S2392K, 2154 03:04:50,080 --> 03:04:57,359 a position, plan, procedure, criteria, or instruction to be applied to any 2155 03:04:54,880 --> 03:05:02,399 negotiations carried on or to be carried on by or on behalf of the municipality 2156 03:05:00,479 --> 03:05:07,680 administration and operations committee in camera report July 21st, 2026. County 2157 03:05:05,840 --> 03:05:13,520 and Brandt Special Counsel in camera minutes July 6, 2026. And county and 2158 03:05:11,120 --> 03:05:22,040 branch special counsel in camera minutes July 10th, 2026. All those in favor. 2159 03:05:17,840 --> 03:05:22,040 » Okay, we're going in camera. 2160 03:39:53,279 --> 03:40:01,600 Okay, we're back in open session. We're now [clears throat] what we've done is 2161 03:39:57,439 --> 03:40:06,600 we we're going to do 10.3. Now, I don't know who's coming up to speak on behalf 2162 03:40:03,279 --> 03:40:06,600 of the library. 2163 03:40:27,920 --> 03:40:33,800 Well, good evening everyone. I've been introduc 2164 03:40:37,600 --> 03:40:44,880 with me tonight is Kelly, our CEO. Fred Glatting had hoped to be able to join 2165 03:40:42,560 --> 03:40:49,680 us, but I think he's um on route somewhere and that's not working. 2166 03:40:47,520 --> 03:40:53,680 So, thank you very much for your time this evening. The public has every 2167 03:40:52,160 --> 03:40:59,040 reason to wonder what's been happening to the library since 2005. As members of 2168 03:40:57,200 --> 03:41:03,040 the library board, we've personally been asked that many times, and I'm sure your 2169 03:41:00,960 --> 03:41:07,760 constituents have been asking you that question, too. Our community has 2170 03:41:05,840 --> 03:41:11,840 remained deeply invested and interested in this project and we sincerely hope 2171 03:41:10,080 --> 03:41:16,080 we'll all be able to share a good news story soon. 2172 03:41:13,840 --> 03:41:22,560 The library board has remained committed to its mandate to cultivate inclusiv 2173 03:41:19,120 --> 03:41:27,600 inclusivity and power lifelong learning. In February 2025, the library board went 2174 03:41:25,520 --> 03:41:33,439 back to square one. We checked our assumptions, verified the data, and 2175 03:41:30,399 --> 03:41:36,800 re-engaged with the community. Today, on behalf of the library board, I share a 2176 03:41:35,200 --> 03:41:41,600 plan that demonstrates a number of things. We have been thorough and have 2177 03:41:39,600 --> 03:41:46,239 balanced the many important aspects of this project. We have contemplated 2178 03:41:44,319 --> 03:41:50,560 future needs of our rapidly growing community and remain committed to fiscal 2179 03:41:48,720 --> 03:41:54,960 responsibility. We have anticipated questions from the 2180 03:41:52,560 --> 03:41:58,880 community and from council and seek to work collaboratively for the benefit of 2181 03:41:56,960 --> 03:42:02,880 the community. We remain forward thinking and believe 2182 03:42:00,960 --> 03:42:07,439 deeply that our community deserves a library that is free and open and 2183 03:42:05,120 --> 03:42:12,239 accessible to everyone. So for all that I say thank you to the 2184 03:42:09,600 --> 03:42:16,319 seven volunteer citizen library board members, our three councelor members, 2185 03:42:14,560 --> 03:42:21,600 councelor Bell, counselor Kyle and counselor house and our CEO for our 2186 03:42:19,279 --> 03:42:26,560 collective persist persistence, creativity and dedication. We are also 2187 03:42:24,640 --> 03:42:29,920 very grateful to the various county staff and various departments and 2188 03:42:28,160 --> 03:42:34,960 divisions who have made valuable contributions to this work at many 2189 03:42:32,160 --> 03:42:40,319 points along the way. So the work is not over but this is an important line 2190 03:42:37,520 --> 03:42:44,720 milestone. And just so I'm clear, how do I get to the next slide? 2191 03:42:42,960 --> 03:42:47,880 » Just the arrow button up top. Okay, thank you. 2192 03:42:48,720 --> 03:42:56,479 Be helpful. Did I get there? >> Try this one on the end. 2193 03:42:54,319 --> 03:43:00,080 There we go. So, the why our community needs a 2194 03:42:58,399 --> 03:43:06,479 central library and you've heard this story um a few times and the information 2195 03:43:03,600 --> 03:43:12,160 hasn't changed. We are a growing community. We projected out to what our 2196 03:43:09,359 --> 03:43:18,399 community could look like in 2031 and found that the type of space we need, 2197 03:43:14,640 --> 03:43:22,319 what is it we need? Uh we need 26,250 ft. And that's not changed significantly 2198 03:43:20,720 --> 03:43:26,000 in any of the conversations that we've had with you about the space 2199 03:43:23,680 --> 03:43:30,880 requirements that we need. It would be lovely if we had the opportunity to 2200 03:43:28,560 --> 03:43:36,960 project out to 201, but we know that that's not uh a realistic thing to do 2201 03:43:33,439 --> 03:43:41,359 for for anybody to do that. To speak to uh councelor Kyle's comment earlier 2202 03:43:38,880 --> 03:43:44,640 about why didn't we do it sooner, you know, we all would have liked to have 2203 03:43:43,120 --> 03:43:47,640 done everything that we do in life sooner. 2204 03:43:50,239 --> 03:43:57,120 There we go. So, what we envision for a a library is it's modern and it's 2205 03:43:54,800 --> 03:44:01,199 accessible for everyone. The libraries are the one pa place in our community 2206 03:43:59,040 --> 03:44:05,600 where everyone is welcome, no matter who you are, where you come from, or what 2207 03:44:03,040 --> 03:44:10,319 you look like. No money is needed to participate in library services. 2208 03:44:08,319 --> 03:44:15,520 In our design phase, we will ensure the new library remembers our past, reflects 2209 03:44:13,279 --> 03:44:20,960 our present, and is aspirational about tomorrow. We will honor the indigenous 2210 03:44:18,000 --> 03:44:26,840 history of this land. The library is an anchor institution and it belongs to all 2211 03:44:23,680 --> 03:44:26,840 of us. 2212 03:44:29,520 --> 03:44:36,160 A library space should be bright and filled with natural light. There will be 2213 03:44:33,840 --> 03:44:40,640 books of course, but also spaces for families to come together, for children 2214 03:44:38,239 --> 03:44:45,680 and adults to learn, and neighbors and community to connect. The library will 2215 03:44:43,439 --> 03:44:51,439 reflect our world today. There will be elements of high-tech, low tech, and no 2216 03:44:48,640 --> 03:44:58,800 tech. From 3D printers to sewing machines to butterfly watching kits, 2217 03:44:56,560 --> 03:45:03,520 a library for every individual across our community will be accessible in 2218 03:45:01,199 --> 03:45:07,319 every sense of the word. Built for all ages and abilities. 2219 03:45:07,840 --> 03:45:11,399 Oops. Thank you. 2220 03:45:12,239 --> 03:45:18,520 There we go. I'll let Kelly speak to some of the finer details. 2221 03:45:31,760 --> 03:45:41,040 Okay. So, uh what we are presenting to you tonight uh is a high level summary 2222 03:45:37,600 --> 03:45:46,399 of the project plan for this project. Um we are Uh important to remember we are 2223 03:45:44,479 --> 03:45:51,920 not asking council for the entire sum tonight. Let me explain why this budget 2224 03:45:49,520 --> 03:45:57,120 is included. We are committed to full transparency on this project and we 2225 03:45:53,920 --> 03:46:01,279 understand the degree of investment that we're asking the council to make and we 2226 03:45:59,120 --> 03:46:07,359 understand the degree of accountability council will require of us. So the 2227 03:46:05,120 --> 03:46:12,560 estimated project budget that you have in front of you demonstrates our 2228 03:46:10,479 --> 03:46:17,439 understandings of what we can expect the cost for this project to be. And this 2229 03:46:15,359 --> 03:46:23,359 was created uh [clears throat] in consultation with the consultants that 2230 03:46:19,840 --> 03:46:28,319 the library board engaged with a specialized 2231 03:46:25,680 --> 03:46:33,520 quantity surveyor uh and industry professionals who have built libraries 2232 03:46:30,560 --> 03:46:38,399 before. Uh so the budget that you see we have great confidence in uh but we are 2233 03:46:36,800 --> 03:46:42,640 not asking for your approval for the full amount tonight because it needs a 2234 03:46:41,040 --> 03:46:47,760 lot of refining. This is a high level budget because that reflects the stage 2235 03:46:44,640 --> 03:46:53,120 in the process that we're at. So tonight what you'll hear us present and request 2236 03:46:50,160 --> 03:46:58,560 are related to uh phase one of what we're calling phase one of this phased 2237 03:46:55,279 --> 03:47:05,960 plan that we propose to take. Uh before moving on, I'll note that the project, 2238 03:47:00,880 --> 03:47:05,960 the projected budget is $26,838,000. 2239 03:47:06,000 --> 03:47:15,279 Uh that includes construction uh and uh for construction plus a $ 1.5 million 2240 03:47:12,080 --> 03:47:20,479 budget for furniture and equipment uh to bring it to an upset total of $28.3 2241 03:47:18,239 --> 03:47:25,600 million. But again, that is not what we're asking council for tonight. It's 2242 03:47:22,640 --> 03:47:31,239 giving you an idea of what the commitment for this project would look 2243 03:47:27,600 --> 03:47:31,239 like in the long term. 2244 03:47:33,359 --> 03:47:39,680 Uh so speaking of budget, I'll address fun projected funding sources uh as 2245 03:47:37,520 --> 03:47:46,479 well. And again, this is projected based on conversations with finance staff 2246 03:47:42,000 --> 03:47:51,520 based on uh preparations of budgets for previous library plan iterations. Um but 2247 03:47:49,760 --> 03:47:56,560 the projected sources include fundraising, uh some previous frequent 2248 03:47:54,160 --> 03:48:00,479 donations that the library has received, uh possible contributions from the 2249 03:47:58,160 --> 03:48:07,359 library's reserve fund. Uh development charges will account for 46% of the cost 2250 03:48:04,239 --> 03:48:14,080 of this project and that leaves a tax levy of up to 13 thou $13 million uh 2251 03:48:12,399 --> 03:48:19,600 that would typically be debentured over 20 to 25 years. 2252 03:48:16,640 --> 03:48:24,560 You may have noticed that grants are not listed here as a funding source. Uh we 2253 03:48:22,399 --> 03:48:30,479 have researched available grant programs and the sad sad reality is there are no 2254 03:48:28,239 --> 03:48:35,279 grant programs for libraries right now. Not for infrastructure, not for anything 2255 03:48:32,239 --> 03:48:41,600 substantial. Uh our staff will pursue every grant opportunity that comes along 2256 03:48:38,000 --> 03:48:46,640 and even the long shots just to find any possible money that we can. But we have 2257 03:48:44,080 --> 03:48:50,720 to be realistic and accept that grants will not be a reliable source of funding 2258 03:48:48,880 --> 03:48:54,560 for this project. We don't want to pretend otherwise. Our aim is to be 2259 03:48:52,560 --> 03:48:57,560 transparent and as realistic as possible. 2260 03:48:58,080 --> 03:49:06,640 So let me explain the phased approach that we are proposing to take. 2261 03:49:04,160 --> 03:49:11,120 Phase one of the project if approved will be initiation of course property 2262 03:49:09,760 --> 03:49:15,840 acquisition. We'll need a site to build on. uh the site analysis um due 2263 03:49:14,160 --> 03:49:21,359 diligence studies to better understand the site and all of the realities of 2264 03:49:18,560 --> 03:49:26,399 building on that site. Uh we will be looking to hire an architectural firm as 2265 03:49:23,439 --> 03:49:32,640 well as project management firms to uh to conduct uh concept design for the 2266 03:49:29,920 --> 03:49:37,120 project. So concept designs we are asking for council's permission to uh 2267 03:49:35,199 --> 03:49:42,720 authorize the library board to review and approve a concept design. Uh phase 2268 03:49:40,239 --> 03:49:47,439 two again if approved will be planning and planning and detailed design which 2269 03:49:45,199 --> 03:49:51,920 is the engineering specialty consultants the blueprints this is this is the meat 2270 03:49:49,760 --> 03:49:55,760 of uh what would actually get built again if we get there uh that would 2271 03:49:53,920 --> 03:50:00,560 include class budgeting uh site preparation zoning approval like we'd be 2272 03:49:57,920 --> 03:50:04,080 full into the project by then um everything that every step that it would 2273 03:50:02,160 --> 03:50:09,120 take to prepare us for the construction itself which would be phase three uh 2274 03:50:06,880 --> 03:50:12,880 construction site works everything to complete the building. And phase four 2275 03:50:10,800 --> 03:50:16,560 would be opening, commissioning the building, moving in the furniture, 2276 03:50:14,479 --> 03:50:21,080 setting up the equipment, and of course hosting a public grand opening. 2277 03:50:23,600 --> 03:50:31,520 Here's the projected timeline uh that we're working with. Again, pending 2278 03:50:27,600 --> 03:50:35,120 approval, but uh um it uh would start the pre-planning, as Marilyn said, 2279 03:50:33,279 --> 03:50:40,479 started last year, right? We're well into pre-planning. And um tonight we're 2280 03:50:38,479 --> 03:50:46,080 seeking council's approval to move into phase one of the project. So phase one 2281 03:50:44,160 --> 03:50:51,199 uh would be targeted for completion in winter 2027. 2282 03:50:48,000 --> 03:50:55,439 So uh so approvals from phase one will go to the next council for 2283 03:50:52,720 --> 03:51:00,399 consideration. Uh detailed design and construction will take from summer uh 2284 03:50:57,920 --> 03:51:06,000 2027 to through to summer 2028 approximately 11 months. And uh on this 2285 03:51:03,520 --> 03:51:11,680 timeline from now until finish, we would expect to move in uh to our new library 2286 03:51:08,399 --> 03:51:16,760 at the end of 2028 and open to the public by winter of 2029. 2287 03:51:17,600 --> 03:51:25,680 So again, to clarify and address the recommendations that are in your report, 2288 03:51:23,199 --> 03:51:32,160 what we're asking for tonight is $2.6 6 million and that is to fund further 2289 03:51:29,199 --> 03:51:37,840 study on the site and pending approval uh as well as project management and 2290 03:51:35,680 --> 03:51:43,680 architectural services for concept design. The entire goal of phase one is 2291 03:51:40,960 --> 03:51:47,279 to get us to a refined budget where we can stand in front of you and say with 2292 03:51:45,359 --> 03:51:52,239 confidence that we're requesting approval for x number of dollars. And 2293 03:51:50,080 --> 03:51:57,920 this process, this next process is what will determine whether that eventual 2294 03:51:54,399 --> 03:52:02,960 request would be for $21 million or $26 million. The goal is to reduce the 2295 03:52:00,560 --> 03:52:09,800 contingencies uh to know everything we possibly can about the project when we 2296 03:52:05,439 --> 03:52:09,800 come back to council for approval. 2297 03:52:10,640 --> 03:52:18,399 Uh so between uh Marilyn explaining the overall vision for the library uh and 2298 03:52:15,600 --> 03:52:22,560 the process that we propose to take to get there uh we are both oh sorry 2299 03:52:21,040 --> 03:52:26,880 forgive me. Uh so we're here in this process currently uh we are at this 2300 03:52:24,880 --> 03:52:32,319 stage pending council approval to move into phase one. Um but having summarized 2301 03:52:30,479 --> 03:52:36,319 everything for you Marilyn and I are happy to take questions. 2302 03:52:34,239 --> 03:52:42,160 » Thank you. Are there any questions from council to the delegation? Councelor 2303 03:52:39,439 --> 03:52:45,120 Haley, >> thank you for your presentation. 2304 03:52:43,450 --> 03:52:51,439 [clears throat] Uh, I just wanted to ask you from your report um how you 2305 03:52:47,760 --> 03:52:55,920 calculate the annual economic benefit um on this page. I didn't quite know how 2306 03:52:53,439 --> 03:52:59,760 you calculate it. I see it's broken up, but I didn't quite know how the 2307 03:52:57,920 --> 03:53:04,239 consultant or whoever did it. >> Yeah. So through your worship, councelor 2308 03:53:02,160 --> 03:53:08,319 Haley is referring to the libraries economic impact study, the valuing 2309 03:53:06,239 --> 03:53:14,080 Ontario libraries study that we published for the first time at uh the 2310 03:53:11,279 --> 03:53:18,560 end of 2024, beginning of last year. So what goes into that graphic that you're 2311 03:53:15,760 --> 03:53:22,880 describing, the one that found the value that the library provides to the 2312 03:53:20,239 --> 03:53:27,520 community is based on a thorough methodology developed by academic 2313 03:53:25,120 --> 03:53:32,479 institutions and library associations within the province. So there are 2314 03:53:29,760 --> 03:53:37,760 hundreds of metrics and processes and analyses calculations that go into 2315 03:53:34,800 --> 03:53:42,720 determining that and they are they fall under what the process calls domains but 2316 03:53:40,880 --> 03:53:46,239 it seeks to understand what's the library's cultural value, what's the 2317 03:53:44,479 --> 03:53:50,560 library's entertainment value, what's the library's education value, what are 2318 03:53:48,560 --> 03:53:55,080 we providing in each of those themes to the community. Councelor 2319 03:53:55,680 --> 03:54:00,160 Miller, >> I was wondering if um if Gary 2320 03:53:58,776 --> 03:54:04,560 [clears throat] could get that off there in case Council Pierce might have a 2321 03:54:01,840 --> 03:54:08,720 question. And I have two questions. He doesn't have his hand raised. Uh two 2322 03:54:06,160 --> 03:54:15,840 questions. Uh so three, Mr. Mayor to Kelly, the $1 million that you're um 2323 03:54:12,720 --> 03:54:20,560 projecting in uh donations, um do you believe that's realistic? 2324 03:54:18,800 --> 03:54:26,880 » Um through your worship, we do. We believe that's realistic. Uh I couldn't 2325 03:54:24,000 --> 03:54:31,279 stand up here and say $5 million because that's not realistic. But based on our 2326 03:54:29,279 --> 03:54:35,359 experiences from the pocket center process, based on speaking with 2327 03:54:33,120 --> 03:54:39,520 community members, uh having community members express interest in supporting a 2328 03:54:37,439 --> 03:54:43,040 library financially, we believe that is realistically attainable. 2329 03:54:41,439 --> 03:54:47,520 » Okay. Then the second question, architectural design, 1.5 million. If 2330 03:54:45,760 --> 03:54:52,160 you had guess if I had to guess at how much it costs for architectural design, 2331 03:54:49,279 --> 03:54:56,720 I would have thrown out a4 $50,000 price tag. So obviously I have no clue what 2332 03:54:54,800 --> 03:54:59,520 it's going for these days. Um have you gone you haven't gone to market yet for 2333 03:54:58,479 --> 03:55:02,080 that, have you? You haven't gotten a tender for that. 2334 03:55:00,560 --> 03:55:05,840 » No. Through your worship, that is one of the permissions we're requesting 2335 03:55:03,359 --> 03:55:11,359 tonight. Phase one would authorize the library board to uh to take undertake a 2336 03:55:08,880 --> 03:55:17,520 competitive purchasing process, an RFP to hire for architectural services. And 2337 03:55:14,319 --> 03:55:22,319 I should u you know clarify this would be up to this is our maximum budget. We 2338 03:55:19,920 --> 03:55:25,840 have every hope and we'll make every plan to come in under budget. 2339 03:55:24,319 --> 03:55:30,000 » Okay. That's that's the only two questions I have. Thank you. Councelor 2340 03:55:28,000 --> 03:55:35,600 Councelor Pierce. >> Yeah. Thanks, Mr. Mayor. So, a question 2341 03:55:32,000 --> 03:55:39,760 in regards to the uh the 450,000 for the project manager because it states in 2342 03:55:37,279 --> 03:55:45,439 there that um that the library board will act as project manager for phase 2343 03:55:42,080 --> 03:55:49,840 one. Um and in your chart there phase four is really the opening. So you don't 2344 03:55:47,040 --> 03:55:53,680 need a project manager for that. So in essence the project manager would just 2345 03:55:51,680 --> 03:55:57,520 be for phase two and phase three. Is that correct? 2346 03:55:54,880 --> 03:56:01,120 » So through your worship uh we'd like the project manager in place in phase one so 2347 03:55:59,680 --> 03:56:06,479 they have a full understanding of the project from the early days and also so 2348 03:56:04,080 --> 03:56:11,840 that person can provide the capacity to coordinate and manage the studies the 2349 03:56:09,279 --> 03:56:17,720 site analysis and due diligence studies. Uh that's work that we don't have the 2350 03:56:13,680 --> 03:56:17,720 capacity for on staff. 2351 03:56:17,760 --> 03:56:25,760 » Okay. So just clarification through you Mr. Mayor. So the library board will not 2352 03:56:23,520 --> 03:56:30,960 be the project manager. It will be a project manager project manager if that 2353 03:56:27,840 --> 03:56:34,800 makes sense for the entire project. >> So through your worship I I apologize 2354 03:56:32,720 --> 03:56:39,600 for any confusion but I can see what you mean. Uh what we're asking for is for 2355 03:56:36,880 --> 03:56:43,439 the library to act as project manager, meaning the library board has the 2356 03:56:41,680 --> 03:56:50,560 authority to undertake certain steps, make certain approvals. Um and uh 2357 03:56:47,199 --> 03:56:54,560 project management for a consulting service that we would hire is much more 2358 03:56:52,479 --> 03:56:59,120 of the day-to-day everything. Although they bear the same name, they're two 2359 03:56:55,920 --> 03:57:03,600 very different spheres of influence. It's um rowing the boat versus steering 2360 03:57:01,439 --> 03:57:08,000 the ship. We've heard that a few times now. 2361 03:57:05,760 --> 03:57:10,960 » Okay. >> Councelor Oakley 2362 03:57:10,039 --> 03:57:14,960 [clears throat] >> through you, Mr. Mayor, to to Kelly. 2363 03:57:12,960 --> 03:57:19,600 Just sort of picking on a thread here from councelor Miller. So, um, you've 2364 03:57:16,960 --> 03:57:26,720 picked a million dollars for sort of the donation goal or fundraising goal. Um, 2365 03:57:23,040 --> 03:57:30,080 now I believe, unless I'm unaware of us changing our policy at some point, I 2366 03:57:28,239 --> 03:57:35,120 believe our policy for countyled projects when they're over a million 2367 03:57:31,680 --> 03:57:39,439 dollars is a 25% fundraising allotment. Now, not stating that I am agreement 2368 03:57:37,359 --> 03:57:46,479 with that policy. I I think largely it's unrealistic um for most projects, but 2369 03:57:43,199 --> 03:57:50,960 just I I I'm curious to hear you address um where if we were following what is 2370 03:57:48,960 --> 03:57:53,600 the county policy that we should be looking somewhere in the range of 56 2371 03:57:52,640 --> 03:57:59,199 million. >> Sure. So through your worship um and as 2372 03:57:56,880 --> 03:58:04,720 council has heard from your own staff in recent years that 25% goal may not be 2373 03:58:02,560 --> 03:58:09,600 realistic or attainable. So we are not suggesting that that would be realistic 2374 03:58:06,319 --> 03:58:15,439 or attainable for this project. Um we are quickly facing a time where the 2375 03:58:11,760 --> 03:58:19,840 community is oversaturated and there are people who will support libraries 2376 03:58:16,880 --> 03:58:25,840 because they support libraries but the uh the more general donor pool who are 2377 03:58:23,199 --> 03:58:31,120 looking to fund causes may very well be tapped out by the time we get to them. 2378 03:58:27,680 --> 03:58:36,160 So um we we would not stop at a million dollars for fundraising. We would 2379 03:58:32,800 --> 03:58:40,319 absolutely continue to try to find more and anything we raise above that would 2380 03:58:38,399 --> 03:58:44,720 be put directly into the project to reduce the other reduce the burden on 2381 03:58:43,040 --> 03:58:48,160 the other funding sources. >> Thank you, 2382 03:58:45,600 --> 03:58:52,080 » Councelor Coleman. >> Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Motion to go past 2383 03:58:50,160 --> 03:58:58,000 the hour 10:00. >> Okay, seeking a second. 2384 03:58:55,199 --> 03:59:03,680 All those in favor? Okay. [clears throat] 2385 03:59:00,960 --> 03:59:07,680 Uh, councelor Bell. >> Thank you, Mr. May. Just to follow up on 2386 03:59:06,319 --> 03:59:12,560 councelor Pierce's question about project management, and I know u 2387 03:59:10,080 --> 03:59:18,880 councelor mccalpine will bear me out on this. Uh, we do not have the experience 2388 03:59:16,319 --> 03:59:23,439 in the library board to actually do the hands-on project management. Neither did 2389 03:59:20,880 --> 03:59:27,279 we have the ability in John Noble home to do the project management, but we 2390 03:59:25,520 --> 03:59:32,800 tried to do it and it and it kind of failed. So ultimately we had to hire a 2391 03:59:29,520 --> 03:59:37,199 project manager and you know the number that we got in there I think it reflects 2392 03:59:34,880 --> 03:59:42,960 the same kind of cost that we've experienced in John Noble home and our 2393 03:59:40,160 --> 03:59:48,239 experience is there are invaluable. So whilst the library board will be 2394 03:59:45,680 --> 03:59:54,359 owners of the project they will not be hands-on managers that just is not the 2395 03:59:50,640 --> 03:59:54,359 skill set we have. 2396 03:59:54,399 --> 04:00:02,880 » Any councelor Haley Yes, I I'm trying to understand um 2397 04:00:01,199 --> 04:00:07,680 uh with this library project, I see 2398 04:00:04,479 --> 04:00:12,720 development charges, but I believe the county it's it would be a county owned 2399 04:00:10,479 --> 04:00:16,640 building. And so why would there be development charges for the county? 2400 04:00:14,560 --> 04:00:20,880 That's what I'm trying to understand. So through your worship, the development 2401 04:00:18,160 --> 04:00:26,239 charge legislation is entirely based on the purpose of the project and libraries 2402 04:00:23,760 --> 04:00:30,000 are one of the purposes that the municipality can collect development 2403 04:00:27,680 --> 04:00:33,920 charges for. So it is perfectly acceptable and quite common for the 2404 04:00:31,840 --> 04:00:38,319 municipality to own a building. As long as it is being built and operated as a 2405 04:00:36,720 --> 04:00:41,720 library, then it is eligible for development charges. 2406 04:00:43,120 --> 04:00:52,720 » Any other questions? Councelor Chambers >> just so sorry I understand the timeline 2407 04:00:48,880 --> 04:00:58,640 the U phase one the initiation initiation phase uh when that's 2408 04:00:55,359 --> 04:01:03,359 completed then the library board will have to come back for additional 2409 04:01:00,800 --> 04:01:09,760 approvals to move forward uh and that will u occurs according to 2410 04:01:06,640 --> 04:01:12,960 the time frame sometime you said next summer 2411 04:01:10,960 --> 04:01:17,439 » through your worship we're anticipating winter Um, we'll stick as close to that 2412 04:01:16,080 --> 04:01:21,600 as we can. >> So, this this winter, 2413 04:01:19,760 --> 04:01:23,760 » yes, winter 2027. >> So, that that is a 2414 04:01:22,800 --> 04:01:27,279 » Forgive me. [laughter] >> Makes a little bit more sense because I 2415 04:01:25,920 --> 04:01:32,696 » And then you move on. Okay, I understand. 2416 04:01:29,840 --> 04:01:34,960 » Any other questions? [clears throat] 2417 04:01:33,439 --> 04:01:40,239 No. Okay. Thank you. 2418 04:01:37,279 --> 04:01:44,239 Thank you. Thank you. Uh, we have this on the floor. We have a seconder. All 2419 04:01:42,160 --> 04:01:48,319 those in favor just to receive this information. 2420 04:01:45,920 --> 04:01:53,439 I'm sorry. >> Oh, 2421 04:01:49,920 --> 04:01:57,000 just a just a minute. Councelor Councelor Pierce. 2422 04:01:57,439 --> 04:02:02,960 » Are you Did you have >> I'm here. 2423 04:01:59,760 --> 04:02:06,319 » Did you have another question? >> Nope. 2424 04:02:04,080 --> 04:02:09,319 » No. Okay. We do have it on the floor, right? 2425 04:02:10,560 --> 04:02:19,760 » For approval. What did I say? >> Oh, 2426 04:02:16,000 --> 04:02:25,279 I'm delirious. I'm delirious. >> Is there is there any other comments 2427 04:02:22,800 --> 04:02:31,680 before we call the vote? All those in favor? 2428 04:02:27,760 --> 04:02:38,760 Opposed and carried. Thank you. Takes us number 16 on the agenda and it's the 2429 04:02:33,760 --> 04:02:38,760 bylaws. Councelor Bell, you have those. 2430 04:02:40,319 --> 04:02:49,359 Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Uh moved by myself and seconded by councelor Chambers that 2431 04:02:45,279 --> 04:02:55,120 bylaws 83-26 to 88-26 and 96-26 to 105-26 be read a first 2432 04:02:53,600 --> 04:02:59,840 time. >> All those in favor of the first reading 2433 04:02:56,720 --> 04:03:03,680 of the bylaws. Second reading, please. Councelor Bell. 2434 04:03:01,600 --> 04:03:08,960 Moved by myself, seconded by councelor Chambers, that bylaws 83-26 2435 04:03:06,720 --> 04:03:14,880 to 88-26 and 96-26 to 105-26 2436 04:03:12,720 --> 04:03:18,560 be read a second time and all preamles and clauses be adopted. 2437 04:03:16,960 --> 04:03:24,160 » Are there any questions to the second reading of the bylaws? 2438 04:03:21,439 --> 04:03:28,239 Seeing none, all those in favor and councelor Bill, if you could do it 2439 04:03:25,600 --> 04:03:34,239 one more time, please. Moved by myself, seconded by councelor Chambers, that 2440 04:03:30,160 --> 04:03:40,800 bylaws 83-26 to 88-26 and 96-26 to 105-26 2441 04:03:38,080 --> 04:03:43,920 be read a third time, passed, signed, and executed. 2442 04:03:42,239 --> 04:03:47,080 » All those in favor of the third reading of the bylaws. 2443 04:03:47,199 --> 04:03:52,880 Thank you. >> [clears throat] 2444 04:03:49,279 --> 04:03:59,760 » Number 17 on the agenda is the next meeting which is 2445 04:03:55,920 --> 04:04:03,000 August the 12th, 2026, 6 o'clock. 2446 04:04:08,479 --> 04:04:14,399 That's a statutory meeting, not a council meeting. 2447 04:04:12,319 --> 04:04:16,720 With that being said, is there anything else for