1 00:00:07,860 --> 00:00:08,880 [clears throat] 2 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:10,559 All right, welcome everybody. Welcome to 3 00:00:10,559 --> 00:00:12,719 our regular council meeting for Monday, 4 00:00:12,719 --> 00:00:15,280 December the 8th. If you are able, I 5 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:17,359 would ask you please stand and join us 6 00:00:17,359 --> 00:00:28,810 for that. 7 00:00:28,820 --> 00:00:35,990 » [music] 8 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:45,185 » Heat. Heat. [music] 9 00:00:45,195 --> 00:00:50,425 [music] 10 00:00:50,435 --> 00:00:55,665 » [music] 11 00:00:55,675 --> 00:01:02,630 [music] 12 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:05,500 » Heat. Heat. 13 00:01:05,500 --> 00:01:08,870 [music] 14 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:12,695 Heat. 15 00:01:12,705 --> 00:01:20,789 [music] 16 00:01:20,799 --> 00:01:22,530 Heat. 17 00:01:22,530 --> 00:01:29,725 [music] 18 00:01:29,735 --> 00:01:36,931 » [music] 19 00:01:36,941 --> 00:01:53,990 [music] 20 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:55,840 » We would like to begin by respectfully 21 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:57,680 acknowledging that the town of Shelurn 22 00:01:57,680 --> 00:01:59,920 resides within the traditional territory 23 00:01:59,920 --> 00:02:02,880 and ancestral lands of the Nishaave, 24 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:06,159 including the Ajiu, Ottawatami, Chipoa, 25 00:02:06,159 --> 00:02:07,840 and the people of the Three Fires 26 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:09,920 Confederacy. These traditional 27 00:02:09,920 --> 00:02:12,160 territories upon which we live, work, 28 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:14,080 play, and learn are steeped in rich 29 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:16,239 indigenous history and traditions. And 30 00:02:16,239 --> 00:02:17,760 it is with this statement that we 31 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:20,959 declare to honor and respect past and 32 00:02:20,959 --> 00:02:22,640 present connection of indigenous people 33 00:02:22,640 --> 00:02:25,280 with this land, its waterways, and 34 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:27,120 resources. 35 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:30,160 Are there any disclosures of pecuniary 36 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:33,990 interest? 37 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:36,640 » All right. Minutes from our November 38 00:02:36,640 --> 00:02:39,440 24th meeting in the agenda. Can I have a 39 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:42,000 move and second to approve those as 40 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:48,229 presented by sample second by 41 00:02:48,239 --> 00:02:51,280 discussion those? 42 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:54,560 All in favor? 43 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:58,959 All right. to public question period. 44 00:02:58,959 --> 00:03:00,800 Before I open it up, I I will say that 45 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,599 the council did receive uh a few 46 00:03:03,599 --> 00:03:07,200 comments um from residents today. Those 47 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:11,760 that was circulated to all of us. Um 48 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:13,680 most of them that that I sort of read 49 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:14,959 through they they were more sort of 50 00:03:14,959 --> 00:03:18,000 commentary expressing opinions on on a 51 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,319 report that's uh that's coming up in a 52 00:03:20,319 --> 00:03:22,959 few minutes, which is fine. um that 53 00:03:22,959 --> 00:03:26,879 there were no uh no questions in at 54 00:03:26,879 --> 00:03:31,280 least two of them. Uh Randa, you you had 55 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:33,040 submitted one. Did you want to ask 56 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:36,480 something further? Um 57 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:42,229 well 58 00:03:42,239 --> 00:03:53,589 I guess 59 00:03:53,599 --> 00:03:55,519 I'll I'll stop you there just and and 60 00:03:55,519 --> 00:03:58,080 one thing I I do want to clarify bit 61 00:03:58,080 --> 00:03:59,519 because this seemed to be a bit of a 62 00:03:59,519 --> 00:04:02,159 common theme through some of the some of 63 00:04:02,159 --> 00:04:03,920 the comments that council received. 64 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:08,239 Council hasn't taken a position on this. 65 00:04:08,239 --> 00:04:10,720 At our last meeting on November 24th, we 66 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:12,720 were presented with report. Uh there 67 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:14,879 were some proposed options for council 68 00:04:14,879 --> 00:04:18,320 to consider that looked at uh at some 69 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:22,160 potential changes to uh our uh our 70 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:24,960 procedural bylaw. Uh we had a brief 71 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:27,040 discussion two Mondays ago. We decided 72 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:29,360 to defer that until tonight to give all 73 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:31,759 the council a little more opportunity to 74 00:04:31,759 --> 00:04:33,793 give it some thought. 75 00:04:33,793 --> 00:04:33,990 >> [clears throat] 76 00:04:33,990 --> 00:04:34,000 » [clears throat] 77 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,870 >> what one of the comments I heard but saw 78 00:04:36,870 --> 00:04:36,880 » what one of the comments I heard but saw 79 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:38,720 uh today which was that council should 80 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:40,639 reconsider 81 00:04:40,639 --> 00:04:43,759 uh council hasn't made a consideration 82 00:04:43,759 --> 00:04:45,600 on it. So we we can't reconsider 83 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:46,639 something that we haven't yet 84 00:04:46,639 --> 00:04:49,360 considered. Um that will be considered 85 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:53,600 under report number three. Um, so yes, I 86 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:55,919 I think to answer your your question, 87 00:04:55,919 --> 00:04:58,160 yeah, we we are aware of what your 88 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:00,880 concerns are, we'll we'll likely have 89 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:03,600 further discussion for that report, but 90 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:05,759 I do just want to make clear council has 91 00:05:05,759 --> 00:05:08,000 not made a decision. So, it's not a 92 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:09,600 matter of us needing to reconsider 93 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:17,029 something yet that we haven't decided. 94 00:05:17,039 --> 00:05:20,790 Anybody else? 95 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:25,759 Okay. All right. Uh, council inquiries. 96 00:05:25,759 --> 00:05:27,919 I I do just want to give a a quick shout 97 00:05:27,919 --> 00:05:31,520 out to uh town staff for the Santa Claus 98 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:35,759 parades, which was this past Saturday. 99 00:05:35,759 --> 00:05:38,560 Um, we were just talking about it. It it 100 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:41,280 certainly has been colder uh in in past 101 00:05:41,280 --> 00:05:42,560 parades. So, it was actually kind of a 102 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:44,320 pleasure to walk around this year and 103 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:48,080 and not be frozen by by the time we 104 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:50,560 finished. Uh 24 floats was that the 105 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:52,960 final 106 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:55,280 24 plus 107 00:05:55,280 --> 00:05:57,120 maybe a couple of extra last minute 108 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:01,280 entries. Anyways, um yeah, it great nice 109 00:06:01,280 --> 00:06:04,479 turnout to see a large portion of 110 00:06:04,479 --> 00:06:06,800 affinity out. Lots of smiling faces and 111 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:10,000 lots lots of kids collecting candy and 112 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,240 hot chocolate at the Legion and taking 113 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:15,440 part in what has become a I think a 114 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:17,120 really nice tradition for our community 115 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:19,440 to kind of kick off the festive season. 116 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:21,600 And so 117 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:24,000 staff pass that along to everybody who 118 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:28,629 had a hand in making it happen. 119 00:06:28,639 --> 00:06:31,840 and to the IIA. Yeah. But but town staff 120 00:06:31,840 --> 00:06:34,960 was was there closing streets. 121 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:37,110 >> Yeah. Helping with the the tree 122 00:06:37,110 --> 00:06:37,120 » Yeah. Helping with the the tree 123 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:41,350 lighting. 124 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:42,400 » It was Greg Clark. 125 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:44,469 >> Yeah. 126 00:06:44,469 --> 00:06:44,479 » Yeah. 127 00:06:44,479 --> 00:06:46,070 >> Anybody who who knows the movie 128 00:06:46,070 --> 00:06:46,080 » Anybody who who knows the movie 129 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:47,840 Christmas Vacation, it was a classic 130 00:06:47,840 --> 00:06:50,080 Christmas Vacation moment. Uh we did a 131 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:52,319 countdown. I plugged in the lights. They 132 00:06:52,319 --> 00:06:55,280 didn't light up. So we had to figure it 133 00:06:55,280 --> 00:06:57,120 out. you worked on this back in the town 134 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:59,440 position. 135 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:02,800 Uh any other inquiries? 136 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:04,000 Sorry, council. 137 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:05,510 >> Yeah, this might be something that can 138 00:07:05,510 --> 00:07:05,520 » Yeah, this might be something that can 139 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:08,319 be pushed off into uh item number two in 140 00:07:08,319 --> 00:07:10,240 the consideration of items, but I have 141 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:14,160 had an inquiry uh from residents who own 142 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,560 buildings on Main Street. Um they have 143 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:20,639 tenants who have parking. We currently 144 00:07:20,639 --> 00:07:22,960 have monthly passes for the beautiful 145 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:25,039 parking lots and we also have an annual 146 00:07:25,039 --> 00:07:29,120 pass. Problem is times like this this 147 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:31,039 general season when people want to have 148 00:07:31,039 --> 00:07:32,880 people stay over. We don't have an 149 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:35,280 option for an overnight or a single day 150 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:38,479 pass and questions been raised. What can 151 00:07:38,479 --> 00:07:41,520 we do to possibly implement a single day 152 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:45,520 pass or single overnight pass? 153 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:46,479 And I don't know if that's something 154 00:07:46,479 --> 00:07:48,639 that we should push that off into item 155 00:07:48,639 --> 00:07:50,479 number two or [clears throat] 156 00:07:50,479 --> 00:07:52,880 you know Jennifer may have a thought 157 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:54,230 >> through your worship those questions 158 00:07:54,230 --> 00:07:54,240 » through your worship those questions 159 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:56,479 have been posed as well and the uh 160 00:07:56,479 --> 00:07:58,800 answers to those 161 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:01,759 that question asked that question was uh 162 00:08:01,759 --> 00:08:04,960 we can prorate it on a daybyday basis of 163 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:07,440 course per not a physical piece of paper 164 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:10,479 because we found those shared 165 00:08:10,479 --> 00:08:14,160 so it's based on plate model you just 166 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:16,639 need a few days notice is understanding 167 00:08:16,639 --> 00:08:18,080 you know if you're having company you 168 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:20,720 follow it you just need a few days 169 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:24,720 notice this is what the community 170 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:34,709 take monthly break on basis receives 171 00:08:34,719 --> 00:08:38,080 three days 172 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:39,509 >> so then we should let them know just 173 00:08:39,509 --> 00:08:39,519 » so then we should let them know just 174 00:08:39,519 --> 00:08:41,680 come to the town hall last for three 175 00:08:41,680 --> 00:08:43,039 days in advance and say we're looking 176 00:08:43,039 --> 00:08:44,480 for 177 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:46,470 >> we can't do is we can't issue a flight 178 00:08:46,470 --> 00:08:46,480 » we can't do is we can't issue a flight 179 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:49,360 permit for the bylaw officer looking for 180 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:51,200 plate models. 181 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:52,870 >> Okay. So, as long as they've got all the 182 00:08:52,870 --> 00:08:52,880 » Okay. So, as long as they've got all the 183 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:56,160 information staff's got that then 184 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:57,509 >> Okay. Now, is that just in the 185 00:08:57,509 --> 00:08:57,519 » Okay. Now, is that just in the 186 00:08:57,519 --> 00:08:58,880 Wellington parking lot or is it all 187 00:08:58,880 --> 00:08:59,839 municipal parking? 188 00:08:59,839 --> 00:09:01,509 >> That is in the Wellington the overnight 189 00:09:01,509 --> 00:09:01,519 » That is in the Wellington the overnight 190 00:09:01,519 --> 00:09:07,920 parking is specifically dedicated to 191 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:11,200 the street. There's no parking. 192 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:13,509 >> Perfect. Okay. 193 00:09:13,509 --> 00:09:13,519 » Perfect. Okay. 194 00:09:13,519 --> 00:09:15,839 And and because we're leading into the 195 00:09:15,839 --> 00:09:17,920 holiday season, when when does town hall 196 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:21,829 officially close? 197 00:09:21,839 --> 00:09:22,560 » Okay. 198 00:09:22,560 --> 00:09:31,990 >> So, if they're having family over 199 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,959 » and and Denise just pointed out, which I 200 00:09:34,959 --> 00:09:37,600 I think would be August, but subject to 201 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:39,920 availability. So if there are no spots 202 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:42,640 left out, we can't very well 203 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:43,440 appropriate. 204 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:47,030 >> Don't forget council's uh granted me. 205 00:09:47,030 --> 00:09:47,040 » Don't forget council's uh granted me. 206 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:49,670 >> Yeah. On street park 207 00:09:49,670 --> 00:09:49,680 » Yeah. On street park 208 00:09:49,680 --> 00:09:51,279 that would include this. 209 00:09:51,279 --> 00:09:53,990 >> Yeah. 210 00:09:53,990 --> 00:09:54,000 » Yeah. 211 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:55,990 >> Good council. 212 00:09:55,990 --> 00:09:56,000 » Good council. 213 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,389 >> Oh, I was just I was just going to piggy 214 00:09:58,389 --> 00:09:58,399 » Oh, I was just I was just going to piggy 215 00:09:58,399 --> 00:10:01,440 back on that. Just it is there any 216 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:03,519 possibility someone like is like 217 00:10:03,519 --> 00:10:05,200 surprise you drank a little too much and 218 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:08,320 now you have to stay. Um, is there any 219 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:11,120 relief in that aspect where if they 220 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:12,720 stayed in the Wellington lot like they 221 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:14,800 wouldn't get ticketed if it, you know, 222 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:17,120 kind of a oneoff thing? 223 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:21,110 >> You can use that discretionary. 224 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:22,399 » I was going to say they come in and 225 00:10:22,399 --> 00:10:26,240 speak to explain. 226 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:28,470 >> Okay. And then go from there. Okay. 227 00:10:28,470 --> 00:10:28,480 » Okay. And then go from there. Okay. 228 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:30,079 Wonderful. Just because again, we don't 229 00:10:30,079 --> 00:10:31,279 want anybody drinking and drinking, 230 00:10:31,279 --> 00:10:33,600 right? So, I'd rather be able to offer 231 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:36,560 them something to stay 232 00:10:36,560 --> 00:10:38,320 I think that is part of the rale for the 233 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:38,800 relief. 234 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:41,190 >> Yeah% 100%. It's just sometimes that 235 00:10:41,190 --> 00:10:41,200 » Yeah% 100%. It's just sometimes that 236 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:42,720 could happen maybe not during the 237 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:45,519 relief, right? Like it's Yeah. 238 00:10:45,519 --> 00:10:47,110 >> Yeah. People aren't just going to be 239 00:10:47,110 --> 00:10:47,120 » Yeah. People aren't just going to be 240 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:48,560 partying on two nights. 241 00:10:48,560 --> 00:10:51,430 >> Well, I mean that's 242 00:10:51,430 --> 00:10:51,440 » Well, I mean that's 243 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:55,040 interesting. Yes. I guess 244 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:56,800 the person has been drinking. How are 245 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,279 they driving? 246 00:10:59,279 --> 00:11:02,230 >> Well, maybe they drove the car there. 247 00:11:02,230 --> 00:11:02,240 » Well, maybe they drove the car there. 248 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:05,910 >> Yeah. or if they stay on the road even 249 00:11:05,910 --> 00:11:05,920 » Yeah. or if they stay on the road even 250 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:07,680 where they were. 251 00:11:07,680 --> 00:11:10,470 >> I don't know. Just I just don't want to 252 00:11:10,470 --> 00:11:10,480 » I don't know. Just I just don't want to 253 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:15,590 love to see 254 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:16,079 that. 255 00:11:16,079 --> 00:11:17,910 >> This municipal parking lot. 256 00:11:17,910 --> 00:11:17,920 » This municipal parking lot. 257 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:19,990 >> Is it going to be used as part of the 258 00:11:19,990 --> 00:11:20,000 » Is it going to be used as part of the 259 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:23,360 parking be 260 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:25,430 >> our municipal parking lot here? Is it 261 00:11:25,430 --> 00:11:25,440 » our municipal parking lot here? Is it 262 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:28,320 going to be used as part of or just the 263 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:37,509 street? So when is it 264 00:11:37,519 --> 00:11:39,200 right? 265 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:42,870 >> Sorry to be a bylaw on duty that night 266 00:11:42,870 --> 00:11:42,880 » Sorry to be a bylaw on duty that night 267 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:45,279 because there's no parking. 268 00:11:45,279 --> 00:11:52,638 Yeah, 269 00:11:52,648 --> 00:11:53,200 [snorts] 270 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:56,949 >> we are allowing parking 271 00:11:56,949 --> 00:11:56,959 » we are allowing parking 272 00:11:56,959 --> 00:12:02,949 parking lots on Greenwood. 273 00:12:02,959 --> 00:12:05,519 I'm sure we're still allowing parking 274 00:12:05,519 --> 00:12:09,200 during the period on Greenwood 275 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:10,880 Park. 276 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:13,110 >> Yes. 277 00:12:13,110 --> 00:12:13,120 » Yes. 278 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:15,519 Good. [snorts] So there's lots of places 279 00:12:15,519 --> 00:12:16,320 to park. 280 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:18,389 >> Yeah. May have to walk a little bit. 281 00:12:18,389 --> 00:12:18,399 » Yeah. May have to walk a little bit. 282 00:12:18,399 --> 00:12:20,399 Yeah. But find a safe spot, park your 283 00:12:20,399 --> 00:12:24,480 car, don't drink and drive. Bottom line. 284 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:27,350 >> Okay. Any other uh 285 00:12:27,350 --> 00:12:27,360 » Okay. Any other uh 286 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:32,160 Okay. So the first report is a report um 287 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:35,120 regarding the bylaw for the interm levy 288 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:37,279 for 2026. 289 00:12:37,279 --> 00:12:40,800 Gary, do you want to at all? 290 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:43,190 >> Just sorry. 291 00:12:43,190 --> 00:12:43,200 » Just sorry. 292 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:46,079 It's just the regular bylaw that'll help 293 00:12:46,079 --> 00:12:50,240 us send their tax bills on January 2nd. 294 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:52,230 >> Thanks. 295 00:12:52,230 --> 00:12:52,240 » Thanks. 296 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:57,750 >> Happy New Year. 297 00:12:57,760 --> 00:12:59,440 » All right. Any questions on that one? 298 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:02,880 No. Okay. Moved by Councelor Samples or 299 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:06,079 seconder for that. Deputy Mayor Hall. 300 00:13:06,079 --> 00:13:08,320 All in favor? 301 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:10,560 Carried. 302 00:13:10,560 --> 00:13:13,360 All right. 303 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:16,480 Next is bylaw regarding some changes to 304 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:20,560 our fees and charges. Um, did you want 305 00:13:20,560 --> 00:13:24,320 to highlight? So does Jennifer just the 306 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:26,079 main changes are 307 00:13:26,079 --> 00:13:28,790 >> membership. This is our annual 308 00:13:28,790 --> 00:13:28,800 » membership. This is our annual 309 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:30,399 year 310 00:13:30,399 --> 00:13:32,959 noted in the description 311 00:13:32,959 --> 00:13:35,519 checked 312 00:13:35,519 --> 00:13:38,880 that matches what the bank 313 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:41,120 have by 314 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:45,750 operation fees have 315 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:48,240 facilities rental items have increased 316 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:50,800 by 317 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:55,789 minor use of baseball or wine notreased 318 00:13:55,789 --> 00:13:56,310 >> [clears throat] 319 00:13:56,310 --> 00:13:56,320 » [clears throat] 320 00:13:56,320 --> 00:14:06,710 >> gap between6 321 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:08,560 adjusted 322 00:14:08,560 --> 00:14:12,710 cost. 323 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:17,110 Those are the changes in the 324 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:22,079 » questions on that. How did we arrive at 325 00:14:22,079 --> 00:14:34,150 >> cost of living? Just 326 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:38,150 you want to make motion. 327 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:44,550 » All right. Looks like moved by second by 328 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:48,790 all in favor. 329 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:52,320 All right. And report number three is 330 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:54,160 the report I referenced earlier which 331 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:56,639 was deferred from our November 24th 332 00:14:56,639 --> 00:14:59,829 meeting 333 00:14:59,839 --> 00:15:01,440 is report from our director of 334 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:04,000 legislative services regarding some 335 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:07,839 procedural bylaw update. Um nothing has 336 00:15:07,839 --> 00:15:10,320 changed. It's same report that was 337 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:13,920 before us on uh on November 24th. But as 338 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:17,920 I said earlier, we decided 339 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:19,040 to defer [clears throat] it to tonight 340 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:21,519 to give each of us a bit more time to go 341 00:15:21,519 --> 00:15:23,680 over it and consider the options that 342 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:27,670 being presented. 343 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:30,160 Council, 344 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:32,230 >> I've been on council for a very long 345 00:15:32,230 --> 00:15:32,240 » I've been on council for a very long 346 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:34,720 time and I've been to quite a few years 347 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:37,680 question period. 348 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:39,600 Honestly, the way question period is 349 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:42,240 running right now, I don't like it. I'll 350 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:44,000 be honest. It takes up a lot of 351 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:47,360 council's time which doesn't allow us to 352 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:50,079 get to the business we need to get to in 353 00:15:50,079 --> 00:15:52,320 a timely fashion 354 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:55,199 but I'm not against that question period 355 00:15:55,199 --> 00:15:58,000 as long as it's run in a proper manner 356 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:00,560 and I thought about it quite a bit 357 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:02,560 during the week [clears throat] and I 358 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:05,680 came up with the same idea as what am 359 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:07,440 does down in the bare pit when 360 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:09,360 counselors go up to ask questions at 361 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:11,680 amach 362 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:12,800 questioner 363 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:15,199 is allowed a period of time to do a bit 364 00:16:15,199 --> 00:16:18,079 of a preamble to the question, but it 365 00:16:18,079 --> 00:16:21,839 must be a question specific to town 366 00:16:21,839 --> 00:16:25,680 business in the form of the agenda or 367 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:27,680 property or some question about 368 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:30,959 something that they had interaction with 369 00:16:30,959 --> 00:16:33,440 staff. It shouldn't be a question just 370 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:36,079 whatever all over the place needs to be 371 00:16:36,079 --> 00:16:39,279 very specific. They should be allowed as 372 00:16:39,279 --> 00:16:41,759 they are down at a one question. one 373 00:16:41,759 --> 00:16:43,839 question only. Once you receive the 374 00:16:43,839 --> 00:16:46,000 answer, you must go to the back of the 375 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:49,839 line and wait. There's a time period. 376 00:16:49,839 --> 00:16:53,040 It's like say 15 minutes for questions 377 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:57,040 or whatever process. If we follow that 378 00:16:57,040 --> 00:17:00,880 format, a very strict format, then I 379 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:03,279 think it's fair and right that our 380 00:17:03,279 --> 00:17:04,959 citizens have the right to ask 381 00:17:04,959 --> 00:17:07,919 questions. they should 382 00:17:07,919 --> 00:17:11,120 um because there's always, you know, 383 00:17:11,120 --> 00:17:12,959 questions regarding things on the 384 00:17:12,959 --> 00:17:16,000 agenda. There's questions regarding uh 385 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,559 issues that they may have uh that were 386 00:17:18,559 --> 00:17:21,839 not resolved with staff. So, 387 00:17:21,839 --> 00:17:23,360 they have that right. They should have 388 00:17:23,360 --> 00:17:25,439 that right uh to come in front of 389 00:17:25,439 --> 00:17:28,480 council and present their case. It's no 390 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:31,200 different than sometimes if they don't 391 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:33,200 have that chance, they will do it to us 392 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:35,360 out on the street, grocery store, 393 00:17:35,360 --> 00:17:37,919 wherever to ask the same thing. So, I 394 00:17:37,919 --> 00:17:40,640 think they have that right, but it needs 395 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:44,080 to be controlled. It can't be just all 396 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:46,480 over the place and all kinds of 397 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:48,880 questions and discussions which should 398 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:50,960 be either 399 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:54,240 a delegation or something of a different 400 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:59,200 nature. And that's my feelings on it. Um 401 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:01,919 so I'm willing to 402 00:18:01,919 --> 00:18:04,240 um say continue with [clears throat] the 403 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:06,320 question period 404 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:09,760 as long as we follow some form of proper 405 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:11,280 format. 406 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:13,510 >> Yeah. And I'll I'll add I I don't 407 00:18:13,510 --> 00:18:13,520 » Yeah. And I'll I'll add I I don't 408 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:15,679 disagree with you at all. Um and and 409 00:18:15,679 --> 00:18:17,919 actually I mean if you look at the 410 00:18:17,919 --> 00:18:19,840 current wording of our procedural bylaw 411 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:21,760 and there are sort of prescriptive 412 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:23,200 limits and time limits and everything 413 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:25,840 else but they're all sort of subject to 414 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:29,440 the chair's discretion. Um and the 415 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:31,200 approach I tend to take I mean that 416 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:32,799 there's a lot of factors involved. I 417 00:18:32,799 --> 00:18:35,360 mean is is the person first time they've 418 00:18:35,360 --> 00:18:36,880 been to council they not really familiar 419 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:39,200 with the rules? Yeah obviously I'll give 420 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:41,360 them [clears throat] some leeway. if we 421 00:18:41,360 --> 00:18:43,280 don't have a real long agenda. Am I 422 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:44,559 willing to entertain a couple more 423 00:18:44,559 --> 00:18:47,600 questions than normal? Sure. Um but but 424 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:49,280 I think your your point is well taken 425 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:52,480 that you know this is designed as 426 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:54,720 question period. It isn't designed as an 427 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:56,880 open forum. It's not you know open mic 428 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,120 at at you know shelter council where 429 00:18:59,120 --> 00:19:02,080 everybody can you know 430 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:05,200 you know talk about whatever happens. 431 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:07,280 There are opportunities to do that. 432 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:09,440 There are deputations and presentations 433 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:12,400 and if if if what you're looking for is 434 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:14,320 an extended period of time to to make a 435 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:16,080 pitch or make a presentation or have a 436 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:18,720 dialogue with council that that's the 437 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:21,120 that's the mechanism for that question 438 00:19:21,120 --> 00:19:22,640 period. 439 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:25,679 You know at its core is designed to be a 440 00:19:25,679 --> 00:19:28,480 fairly quick um you know let let's move 441 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:30,559 through you know what whatever questions 442 00:19:30,559 --> 00:19:33,200 you have. um you'll get an answer from 443 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:35,440 council that that answer may in all 444 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:36,960 honesty be we're going to have to look 445 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,840 into it and get back to you. Um if if we 446 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:41,600 don't, you know, have have the answer 447 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:43,120 right at hand, but you will get an 448 00:19:43,120 --> 00:19:46,880 answer to the question. Uh but it it is 449 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:50,240 not designed to be sort of open back and 450 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:52,160 forth dialogue that lasts for several 451 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:56,000 minutes. Um that said uh I I do agree 452 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,080 that I I think it is an important 453 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:02,080 mechanism uh to to leave available to 454 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:05,360 our residents and our rate payers 455 00:20:05,360 --> 00:20:08,240 municipal level of government. I I think 456 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:10,720 in in particular uh you know we are the 457 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:12,320 level of government that's closest to 458 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:14,960 the people and I think particularly in a 459 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,120 smaller community like ours there is an 460 00:20:17,120 --> 00:20:20,960 expectation uh rightfully so uh that 461 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:24,160 that elected officials remain accessible 462 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:26,320 and and to your point councelor Vonado 463 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:28,480 about grocery stores yeah I mean that 464 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:31,200 that's part of the job to run and go in 465 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,200 my household I run out to grab a bag of 466 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,760 milk and I'm gone for an hour you know 467 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:37,520 that It's the nature of beasts. You 468 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:39,600 know, we we run into people people have 469 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:40,960 issues they want to they want to 470 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:41,520 discuss. 471 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:45,590 >> Is that why my wife won't shop with me? 472 00:20:45,590 --> 00:20:45,600 » Is that why my wife won't shop with me? 473 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:47,520 But but that that's you know that's one 474 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:50,320 of the the nice things I think about 475 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:52,400 this level of government as I said 476 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:54,400 particularly in a small town that that 477 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:56,799 we are accessible um but that 478 00:20:56,799 --> 00:20:59,280 accessibility can't be unlimited either 479 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:00,880 right there there there has to be some 480 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:02,720 give and take and and we have to work 481 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:05,039 together as residents and as elected 482 00:21:05,039 --> 00:21:07,439 officials to make sure that that we do 483 00:21:07,439 --> 00:21:08,080 [clears throat] 484 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:09,919 you know proper procedures and decorum 485 00:21:09,919 --> 00:21:11,840 so that the meetings can still run 486 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:14,720 efficient. So, I guess my my message to 487 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:17,360 to the public is, you know, from from my 488 00:21:17,360 --> 00:21:19,520 perspective at least, yeah, I'm I'm more 489 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:21,760 than happy to to continue with question 490 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,880 period going forward. Um, but if if what 491 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:26,640 you're looking for is a a longer 492 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:29,360 discussion with council um or or to make 493 00:21:29,360 --> 00:21:31,840 a pitch or a presentation, then then 494 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:35,039 make use of those mechanisms uh in in 495 00:21:35,039 --> 00:21:36,880 the agenda for a presentation or a 496 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:39,039 delegation. and let's leave question 497 00:21:39,039 --> 00:21:41,760 period for those quicker questions so 498 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:43,600 that we can answer them and get moved on 499 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:47,200 with the rest of rest of the agenda. 500 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:48,960 When we know that it's a presentation, 501 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:50,640 we set aside the proper time that's 502 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,280 required for that in the agenda and it 503 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:56,080 just allows everybody to plan. So, so I 504 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:59,360 I'm okay leaving that in. Uh the rest of 505 00:21:59,360 --> 00:22:01,200 the amendments that that are presented 506 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:04,000 here in this draft I'm good with. Let's 507 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,960 give them a shot. Um, I guess the only 508 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,440 other thing I would suggest is these 509 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:14,230 will not become effective until 510 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:14,720 » January, 511 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:18,710 >> January. Um, but it's always up to 512 00:22:18,710 --> 00:22:18,720 » January. Um, but it's always up to 513 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,039 council to make changes to this bylaw at 514 00:22:21,039 --> 00:22:22,720 any point in time. It's become a bit of 515 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,120 a practice to do it kind of within the 516 00:22:25,120 --> 00:22:28,400 last year of each term. Uh but you know 517 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:30,880 if if we get 6 months into some of these 518 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:32,480 changes and find out something isn't 519 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,679 working all that well we we can change 520 00:22:35,679 --> 00:22:39,830 course. 521 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:42,480 » Any other thoughts? 522 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:46,640 my thoughts I said seven. So I kind of 523 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:50,640 still am at that point where I just that 524 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:52,320 was my concern when I read over the 525 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,039 procedural bylaw in the first place was 526 00:22:55,039 --> 00:22:58,070 >> um like there was just those things I 527 00:22:58,070 --> 00:22:58,080 » um like there was just those things I 528 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:00,080 was conflicted with with regards to you 529 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,320 know having a question asked pertaining 530 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,880 to the agenda or whatnot and that's 531 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,520 impossible to schedule that time two 532 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:08,880 weeks ahead of time because the agenda 533 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:09,919 doesn't come out until the Thursday 534 00:23:09,919 --> 00:23:13,039 before the meeting. So, you know, then 535 00:23:13,039 --> 00:23:14,880 you're asking a question now that's two 536 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:18,080 weeks old and if the meeting's full, you 537 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:19,520 can't even get in that meeting. So, I 538 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,480 just that was my concern and and you 539 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,320 know, as I stated at the last meeting as 540 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,000 well, like you know, as you guys also 541 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,720 stated, this is part of our job and we 542 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,200 should be available and it's probably 543 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,840 the only time that somebody can reach 544 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:35,679 all of us in the same place, right, at 545 00:23:35,679 --> 00:23:37,200 the same time. So, 546 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:38,950 >> yeah, we we don't all shop together. 547 00:23:38,950 --> 00:23:38,960 » yeah, we we don't all shop together. 548 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:40,789 >> No, exactly. And I don't think my 549 00:23:40,789 --> 00:23:40,799 » No, exactly. And I don't think my 550 00:23:40,799 --> 00:23:44,240 husband shops with me. So, um, yeah. So, 551 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,080 that was, you know, out of all the other 552 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:49,280 changes, I they're pretty uh acceptable 553 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:50,960 with no I mean, really, it's just for 554 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:52,159 electronic purposes and things like 555 00:23:52,159 --> 00:23:54,000 that. Like, there's not a whole lot in 556 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,559 there that makes any real difference 557 00:23:56,559 --> 00:23:58,640 except this one. And that's why I was 558 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,200 like, I cannot vote on this um because I 559 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,200 don't think it should be removed. So, um 560 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:04,799 yeah. So, I mean, I feel like if we're 561 00:24:04,799 --> 00:24:07,360 going to move forward with it, we just 562 00:24:07,360 --> 00:24:09,679 need to tighten up the bootstraps a 563 00:24:09,679 --> 00:24:12,240 little and then it still allows people 564 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,120 to come and voice uh any concerns or 565 00:24:15,120 --> 00:24:19,200 questions that day. So, that was just my 566 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,909 >> and I just wanted to say at the end of 567 00:24:21,909 --> 00:24:21,919 » and I just wanted to say at the end of 568 00:24:21,919 --> 00:24:24,640 the day, one of three things are going 569 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,840 to happen. and you publish a question 570 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,960 which is going to be very succinct and 571 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:32,320 you're either going to give an answer 572 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:35,200 that evening or we're going to have to 573 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:38,080 have to do some research 574 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,360 uh and present it or you know if you've 575 00:24:41,360 --> 00:24:42,720 asked us something like where Jimmy 576 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,440 Hoffet is buried we're not going to be 577 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:49,600 able to that type question. So I I think 578 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:53,679 tightening up procedurally is probably 579 00:24:53,679 --> 00:24:57,279 our best bet and keeping the 10 minutes 580 00:24:57,279 --> 00:25:00,000 uh as part of question three. I'm okay 581 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:04,320 with that. I mean in in reality I I can 582 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,840 only think of one instance maybe two in 583 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:09,840 in the last seven years where we've 584 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,400 actually sort of you know had a lineup 585 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,679 of people um and it's normally around 586 00:25:15,679 --> 00:25:18,480 you know a particular hot issue 587 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,029 >> but but generally just you know one or 588 00:25:21,029 --> 00:25:21,039 » but but generally just you know one or 589 00:25:21,039 --> 00:25:24,799 two questions if any 590 00:25:24,799 --> 00:25:27,350 >> but once 591 00:25:27,350 --> 00:25:27,360 » but once 592 00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:29,919 if you remember the police issue 593 00:25:29,919 --> 00:25:31,840 somebody Well, that's those were 594 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:35,510 >> those were separate. But when we ran 595 00:25:35,510 --> 00:25:35,520 » those were separate. But when we ran 596 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,919 those meetings, we did run them with a 597 00:25:37,919 --> 00:25:39,919 certain procedure where people were 598 00:25:39,919 --> 00:25:42,559 allowed to ask a question, but there was 599 00:25:42,559 --> 00:25:44,320 time limits on everything and the 600 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,240 questions were answered. And that's what 601 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,799 I mean by question where we run things 602 00:25:48,799 --> 00:25:51,600 very tightly and not allow it to get out 603 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,080 of hand the similar as we did with those 604 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,240 particular situations. 605 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,039 So, I'm sorry to interrupt deputy mayor, 606 00:25:59,039 --> 00:26:01,440 but what I was trying to get at what I 607 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,760 stated it earlier and it allows us to 608 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,240 get back to our business of the agenda 609 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,480 that we need to get to during the night 610 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,360 rather than you know end up having to go 611 00:26:11,360 --> 00:26:15,039 over a meeting that night time. 612 00:26:15,039 --> 00:26:18,559 So just a few points. I'm strongly for 613 00:26:18,559 --> 00:26:24,480 keeping question. Um but I I think that 614 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,880 you know there has to be some leeway for 615 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,159 the chair to determine what that is. I I 616 00:26:30,159 --> 00:26:33,039 completely understand and respect that 617 00:26:33,039 --> 00:26:34,559 position. 618 00:26:34,559 --> 00:26:36,960 The other side is you know I struggle 619 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,279 when question period is taken up by the 620 00:26:39,279 --> 00:26:41,120 non-residents 621 00:26:41,120 --> 00:26:43,110 >> right? [clears throat] So understanding 622 00:26:43,110 --> 00:26:43,120 » right? [clears throat] So understanding 623 00:26:43,120 --> 00:26:44,960 that really the question period is there 624 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,840 for our residents not for those you know 625 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:49,520 when you're talking about a handful of 626 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,400 times um there's been a lot of time that 627 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,480 was taken up by non-residents coming 628 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,559 forward with questions when we weren't 629 00:26:56,559 --> 00:26:58,480 able to necessarily always get to a 630 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,990 resening 631 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,400 up that is one of the key items making 632 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:08,240 certain the residents have 633 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,919 to [snorts] prioritize them but I 634 00:27:11,919 --> 00:27:16,230 Well, we should 635 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:20,000 they can use the presentations 636 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,400 accept those opportunities for those 637 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:26,070 types of things. 638 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:27,679 or see I want to add a thought 639 00:27:27,679 --> 00:27:29,510 >> just just to confirm that it's the 640 00:27:29,510 --> 00:27:29,520 » just just to confirm that it's the 641 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,559 intent with council jur otherwise that 642 00:27:32,559 --> 00:27:35,039 we would be supplementing with the 643 00:27:35,039 --> 00:27:39,750 introduction 644 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,559 session we need to review how we would 645 00:27:42,559 --> 00:27:44,640 use that there's a different models in 646 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,840 other communities where we just counel 647 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,240 independently so if the regular wanted 648 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,840 to have one partnership get back 649 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,559 coordinate these are always available to 650 00:27:56,559 --> 00:27:58,640 as members of council. There are some 651 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,600 communities that function a basic. So 652 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:03,200 for example, mayor post has had a 653 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,320 session on youth engagement and in those 654 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,399 it determine whether or not there's 655 00:28:08,399 --> 00:28:10,480 member staff in them. What's critical 656 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,559 though is that these are not called by 657 00:28:12,559 --> 00:28:15,120 council meetings. um they're not 658 00:28:15,120 --> 00:28:16,720 minuteed, they're not reported, there's 659 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:18,880 no direction, but they do provide a 660 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,520 platform to talk about what question 661 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,520 period has evolved to some consensus 662 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,520 where it's a general topic and a 663 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,880 discussion about um an issue of concern 664 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,279 or an issue of enthusiasm and it just 665 00:28:31,279 --> 00:28:33,120 provides a different platform for you to 666 00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:35,440 have that. So we'll we'll be developing 667 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,440 that. We know a lot of municipalities 668 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,600 gone forward spiritual festival. We're 669 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,039 just not and right now it's based on 670 00:28:41,039 --> 00:28:43,120 twice a year but we're just not ready 671 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:44,720 yet to tell you how it's going to be in 672 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,559 the district but that is the plan to 673 00:28:46,559 --> 00:28:48,159 introduce that 674 00:28:48,159 --> 00:28:49,750 >> and that that isn't something that needs 675 00:28:49,750 --> 00:28:49,760 » and that that isn't something that needs 676 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:50,720 to be incorporated. 677 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,389 >> No, but it's just it was in Jennifer's 678 00:28:52,389 --> 00:28:52,399 » No, but it's just it was in Jennifer's 679 00:28:52,399 --> 00:28:53,919 report. I just wanted to make sure that 680 00:28:53,919 --> 00:28:56,480 it was the intent was that this 681 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,440 potentially was a way to replace and 682 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,559 replicate and enhance. Um but we also 683 00:29:02,559 --> 00:29:04,159 understand that you know there's a tool 684 00:29:04,159 --> 00:29:06,320 that could also be used as well as the 685 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:10,070 retention of this. 686 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:17,375 in addition to two instead of other 687 00:29:17,385 --> 00:29:19,430 [clears throat] 688 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,159 clarify 689 00:29:22,159 --> 00:29:26,720 time what we don't want 690 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,600 potential 691 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,399 politician 692 00:29:32,399 --> 00:29:34,640 so maybe what we'll do then is look at7 693 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:45,190 introduc 694 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,720 insert a definition that question right 695 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,149 there. 696 00:29:52,159 --> 00:29:54,159 So is that kind of what the resolution 697 00:29:54,159 --> 00:29:55,600 would be moving forward then for you to 698 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,159 guide for staff to come back to us with 699 00:29:58,159 --> 00:30:04,789 that amendment within the folk. 700 00:30:04,799 --> 00:30:07,120 » Okay. 701 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,430 >> Okay. 702 00:30:09,430 --> 00:30:09,440 » Okay. 703 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:10,549 >> Right. [laughter] 704 00:30:10,549 --> 00:30:10,559 » Right. [laughter] 705 00:30:10,559 --> 00:30:12,640 So so we we can just receive the report 706 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,960 and direct staff to amend the draft 707 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:19,200 bylaw as discussed. Okay. 708 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,760 Second of that counced 709 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,960 by councelor Gardi 710 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,470 favor. 711 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:32,789 » Thank you. 712 00:30:32,799 --> 00:30:36,080 » If not questions car 713 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,559 uh councelor motions are there any 714 00:30:38,559 --> 00:30:40,240 notices of motion? 715 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,710 >> I did have one which I would refer to 716 00:30:42,710 --> 00:30:42,720 » I did have one which I would refer to 717 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:43,600 correspondence. 718 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:47,190 >> Okay. Any other notices? 719 00:30:47,190 --> 00:30:47,200 » Okay. Any other notices? 720 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,880 Okay. Communications. 721 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:51,840 Councelor Whitner. 722 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:56,310 >> I just want to pull uh number 10 for um 723 00:30:56,310 --> 00:30:56,320 » I just want to pull uh number 10 for um 724 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,360 just a sort of support I guess and 725 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,640 Senate support from town children. So, 726 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,520 it's it's just basically I mean we've 727 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,960 seen in the news recently with uh some 728 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:14,000 of the for lack of better term slack in 729 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,360 you know um putting people in jail and 730 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:18,559 leaving them in jail when they should be 731 00:31:18,559 --> 00:31:22,399 in jail. So, I just I think this is a a 732 00:31:22,399 --> 00:31:24,399 good call to to the government to 733 00:31:24,399 --> 00:31:27,360 strengthen some of those um those rules 734 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,679 or laws or whatnot and keep people in 735 00:31:29,679 --> 00:31:31,200 that should be in. 736 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,269 >> Okay. So, you want to make a motion of 737 00:31:33,269 --> 00:31:33,279 » Okay. So, you want to make a motion of 738 00:31:33,279 --> 00:31:33,760 support? 739 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:34,470 >> Yes, please. 740 00:31:34,470 --> 00:31:34,480 » Yes, please. 741 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:40,070 >> Okay. Second for that. 742 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:44,480 Any discussion on that one? Favor. 743 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,640 Okay. 744 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,080 And then I guess just quickly number 745 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,559 six, um just to mention to the community 746 00:31:50,559 --> 00:31:53,360 that's watching, um that their voices 747 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:57,600 were heard and I'm thankful that they uh 748 00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,360 said what they, you know, were feeling 749 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,919 and their concerns because um circular 750 00:32:01,919 --> 00:32:03,519 materials is uh is that what it's 751 00:32:03,519 --> 00:32:06,320 called? Circular materials um is looking 752 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,240 into I don't think it's a definite 753 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,080 answer yet, but at least they are 754 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,799 definitely considering different sizes 755 00:32:12,799 --> 00:32:15,440 for uh the county of defense. So, um, 756 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:16,080 that's great. 757 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,470 >> Yeah, they they delayed delayed the roll 758 00:32:18,470 --> 00:32:18,480 » Yeah, they they delayed delayed the roll 759 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,840 out, uh, of the large new recycling bins 760 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,679 to give them some more time to kind of 761 00:32:23,679 --> 00:32:25,440 coordinate 762 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,440 a way that they can present people with 763 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,760 options so that not everybody has to 764 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,159 receive the the new bin. Some people 765 00:32:32,159 --> 00:32:34,000 love them, other people are concerned 766 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,000 about, you know, accessibility, how 767 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:36,880 they're going to move them, where 768 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:38,000 they're going to store them. 769 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:39,430 >> So, deal. 770 00:32:39,430 --> 00:32:39,440 » So, deal. 771 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,509 >> Yeah. So, so they're just working on a 772 00:32:41,509 --> 00:32:41,519 » Yeah. So, so they're just working on a 773 00:32:41,519 --> 00:32:43,760 solution so that they can offer some 774 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:44,399 voice. 775 00:32:44,399 --> 00:32:44,710 >> Yeah. 776 00:32:44,710 --> 00:32:44,720 » Yeah. 777 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,029 >> Council Bernado 778 00:32:47,029 --> 00:32:47,039 » Council Bernado 779 00:32:47,039 --> 00:32:50,149 >> 12 correspondents from regarding the 780 00:32:50,149 --> 00:32:50,159 » 12 correspondents from regarding the 781 00:32:50,159 --> 00:32:53,840 advocacy of bill 60 and I think that's 782 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,880 where councelor was looking for as well 783 00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,919 in regards to his motion. 784 00:32:59,919 --> 00:33:02,320 Um the consolation of the conservation 785 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:03,919 authorities the way they're going about 786 00:33:03,919 --> 00:33:06,159 it right now bring them all together is 787 00:33:06,159 --> 00:33:09,120 not a good option. Not all conservation 788 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,559 authorities fit together for one thing. 789 00:33:12,559 --> 00:33:16,000 Um I believe the saga for example the 790 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:21,279 fact that Grant nor Simco they are 791 00:33:21,279 --> 00:33:24,480 wersheds are very different and the way 792 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,360 that they're putting it together um I'm 793 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:31,200 afraid one uh we're losing the way our 794 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,960 wershed works with the bigger uh 795 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,799 conservation authorities. Secondly, um 796 00:33:38,799 --> 00:33:42,000 it irritates me. The province pits no 797 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,440 money at all basically into the 798 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,440 conservation authorities. Yet they're 799 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,799 sitting there telling us um basically 800 00:33:50,799 --> 00:33:52,320 how they're going to run the 801 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,399 conservation authorities when it's us 802 00:33:54,399 --> 00:33:57,760 municipalities that are paying for it. 803 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,080 So that irritates me to know it when 804 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,960 it's the local people that are paying 805 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,519 for it and it's affecting the local 806 00:34:05,519 --> 00:34:08,079 people. I think that Queens Park should 807 00:34:08,079 --> 00:34:11,119 take care of provincial matters and we 808 00:34:11,119 --> 00:34:13,919 conservation authorities managed by the 809 00:34:13,919 --> 00:34:18,079 local uh conservations which are looking 810 00:34:18,079 --> 00:34:20,320 after the local people being paid for by 811 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:21,919 the local people. That's just my 812 00:34:21,919 --> 00:34:25,520 feelings. So I know that Cardi has a 813 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,320 motion of support 814 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,829 or 815 00:34:31,839 --> 00:34:34,320 motion. So I'll let him read it. But I'm 816 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,560 quite willing to second. 817 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,349 >> Did you want it under that one? 818 00:34:39,349 --> 00:34:39,359 » Did you want it under that one? 819 00:34:39,359 --> 00:34:40,629 >> Number under a couple. 820 00:34:40,629 --> 00:34:40,639 » Number under a couple. 821 00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:43,109 >> It fits under so many. I mean it's it's 822 00:34:43,109 --> 00:34:43,119 » It fits under so many. I mean it's it's 823 00:34:43,119 --> 00:34:45,040 kind of scary between number seven and 824 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:50,480 number eight. Bill five and bill 68. Um, 825 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,879 I mean the amount of provincial 826 00:34:52,879 --> 00:34:55,679 overreach that we 827 00:34:55,679 --> 00:34:57,280 have experienced over the past year, 828 00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,440 this was buried in the middle of Bill 829 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,800 68. It's part of the province's mega 830 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:07,599 bill. Um, and uh, I do have a press 831 00:35:07,599 --> 00:35:12,000 release from NAC about their concerns 832 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,079 about amalgamating 833 00:35:14,079 --> 00:35:16,400 uh, 36 834 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,640 conservation authorities down to seven. 835 00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:22,160 and the mismatch in 836 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:26,400 the uh ecosystems and water systems that 837 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,160 you like 838 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,109 >> it's different 839 00:35:31,109 --> 00:35:31,119 » it's different 840 00:35:31,119 --> 00:35:32,960 and I'll jump I'll jump onto that being 841 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,440 member of the board of the NBC I tell 842 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,760 you it was a very very long meeting one 843 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:39,280 of the biggest 844 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,589 >> fears that we all have as municipalities 845 00:35:41,589 --> 00:35:41,599 » fears that we all have as municipalities 846 00:35:41,599 --> 00:35:44,800 is number one we're a tiny voice as it 847 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:48,720 is if we amalgamate into a much larger 848 00:35:48,720 --> 00:35:51,119 CA we're never hurt and the worst part 849 00:35:51,119 --> 00:35:53,280 is is we are the closest to the e 850 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,520 theological system where we're at we 851 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:59,520 know what need we are the best advocates 852 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,800 for them going to a much larger CA 853 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,359 there's no possibility that they have 854 00:36:05,359 --> 00:36:09,750 any ability to control 855 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:11,839 » I mean if you look at the conservation 856 00:36:11,839 --> 00:36:15,920 authority the nawasaga river 857 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:20,320 runs uh north and influences one of the 858 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:24,560 greatest uh resorts uh that we have in 859 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:28,160 the way of a beach. But it also crosses 860 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:33,839 through uh some of the beautifulst land 861 00:36:33,839 --> 00:36:36,240 parks and whatnot that we have in 862 00:36:36,240 --> 00:36:38,960 Ontario. 863 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,680 were quite different from a Grand River 864 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:46,560 which goes from Dundock down to Lake 865 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,440 Erie and totally different from Lake 866 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:55,040 Senko which has a lake and has no uh 867 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,520 true river system running into it other 868 00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,920 than Holland and whatnot 869 00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:01,589 >> and [clears throat] 870 00:37:01,589 --> 00:37:01,599 » and [clears throat] 871 00:37:01,599 --> 00:37:03,839 different and then the other part of it 872 00:37:03,839 --> 00:37:06,480 is size of the municipalities which are 873 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,040 within each of these wersheds. When you 874 00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:12,720 look at uh the Grand for example, you've 875 00:37:12,720 --> 00:37:14,880 got Kitchener, you've got Cambridge, 876 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,599 you've got totally different size 877 00:37:17,599 --> 00:37:20,160 municipalities compared and and Lake 878 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:25,359 Simco has Bradford uh New Market and all 879 00:37:25,359 --> 00:37:28,320 of York region and they also have 880 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,200 different different monetary ways which 881 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,599 they're paid like central York region 882 00:37:33,599 --> 00:37:37,280 supports it a huge amount. Uh the grant 883 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,720 is supported by a large number of huge 884 00:37:40,720 --> 00:37:45,760 municipalities as well as uh regions and 885 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:50,960 we're as uh mentioned by council we're a 886 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,839 bunch of small municipalities sitting 887 00:37:53,839 --> 00:37:57,359 within the largest one we have is beach 888 00:37:57,359 --> 00:37:59,520 basically itself other than that we're a 889 00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,520 bunch of small municipalities which are 890 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,640 supporting our own ecosystem so we're 891 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,760 quite different and to be amalgamated 892 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,320 with these large municipalities 893 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,520 and larger uh conservation authorities 894 00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,720 just destroy us completely. 895 00:38:16,720 --> 00:38:17,750 >> Okay. 896 00:38:17,750 --> 00:38:17,760 » Okay. 897 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:19,520 So just to just [clears throat] to 898 00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:23,359 comment I I do want to I do want to note 899 00:38:23,359 --> 00:38:26,560 in past the provinces 900 00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,720 experiments and amalgamation going back 901 00:38:28,720 --> 00:38:33,359 as far as two 2000 uh with education 902 00:38:33,359 --> 00:38:35,760 we [snorts] ran into similar issues in 903 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:39,680 terms of uh ability to 904 00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:41,920 uh 905 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:46,400 be local. Um, so, uh, the record on 906 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,320 imagination 907 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,119 to record to begin with. Um, anyway, 908 00:38:51,119 --> 00:38:53,760 bill 68. Uh, so I'm just going to read 909 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,040 this in the record. Uh, whereas Ontario 910 00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,280 conservation authorities are essential 911 00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,440 to watershed management, environmental 912 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,760 protection, flood mitigation, and public 913 00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:07,440 safety. And whereas bill 68 proposes 914 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:08,800 significant amendments to the 915 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,200 conservation authorities act that would 916 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,920 change governance structures, 917 00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:15,839 decision-making authority and municipal 918 00:39:15,839 --> 00:39:18,480 participation. And whereas these changes 919 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,400 were introduced within an omnibus bill 920 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,680 without a dedicated legislative process 921 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:26,400 that would allow for full public input, 922 00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,119 stakeholder consultation, or sufficient 923 00:39:29,119 --> 00:39:31,119 review of long-term environmental, 924 00:39:31,119 --> 00:39:33,839 financial, and public safety impacts. 925 00:39:33,839 --> 00:39:36,400 And whereas municipalities are critical 926 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,040 partners in watershed management and 927 00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:42,079 must retain meaningful representation to 928 00:39:42,079 --> 00:39:45,440 ensure local knowledge priority uh 929 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,000 priorities and risks are considered. And 930 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,880 whereas the proposed amendments may 931 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:52,800 increase risks related to flooding, 932 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,200 erosion, natural heritage loss and 933 00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,160 environmental degradation if not fully 934 00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,079 evaluated. Therefore, be it resolved 935 00:40:00,079 --> 00:40:02,160 with council town of Shelurn urges the 936 00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,320 province 937 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,160 uh provincial government of Ontario to 938 00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,520 withdraw sections of bill 68 related to 939 00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:11,839 the conservation authorities act and be 940 00:40:11,839 --> 00:40:14,880 it further resolved that any proposed 941 00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,520 changes be reintroduced as a standalone 942 00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,320 bill and proceed through the full 943 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,480 legislative process including committee 944 00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,440 review, public consultation, stakeholder 945 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,440 submissions to ensure transparent 946 00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:29,440 assessment of impacts on wershed 947 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,800 management, environmental protection and 948 00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,119 public safety. And be further resolved 949 00:40:35,119 --> 00:40:37,280 that any future governance framework for 950 00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,520 conservation authorities include strong, 951 00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,800 clearly defined municipal representation 952 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,680 recognizing municipalities as essential 953 00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,160 partners in watershed protection. And be 954 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:49,839 it finally resolved that this motion be 955 00:40:49,839 --> 00:40:52,320 forwarded to the premier of Ontario, 956 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,000 Minister of Environment, uh, 957 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:56,800 Conservation of Parks, local MPPPs, the 958 00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:58,319 Association of Municipalities of 959 00:40:58,319 --> 00:41:00,480 Ontario, the Essex Region Conservation 960 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,040 Authority Authority, and all Ontario 961 00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:04,960 municipalities and conservation 962 00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:08,319 authorities. And again, as a letter of 963 00:41:08,319 --> 00:41:10,400 motion, as also as a letter of support 964 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,920 for because this this all went down on 965 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:17,920 the 27th of November. Uh so in between 966 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:19,839 our meetings so this has been the first 967 00:41:19,839 --> 00:41:23,359 opportunity we've had to uh 968 00:41:23,359 --> 00:41:24,400 address this. 969 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:25,109 >> Yeah. 970 00:41:25,109 --> 00:41:25,119 » Yeah. 971 00:41:25,119 --> 00:41:28,309 >> Okay. So we have a motion on the floor. 972 00:41:28,309 --> 00:41:28,319 » Okay. So we have a motion on the floor. 973 00:41:28,319 --> 00:41:32,079 Is there a second for that? 974 00:41:32,079 --> 00:41:34,069 >> Second. 975 00:41:34,069 --> 00:41:34,079 » Second. 976 00:41:34,079 --> 00:41:41,463 Oh, did you already 977 00:41:41,473 --> 00:41:43,359 [laughter] 978 00:41:43,359 --> 00:41:46,390 >> move by cashi seconded by? 979 00:41:46,390 --> 00:41:46,400 » move by cashi seconded by? 980 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,280 Okay. Any uh further discussion? Did you 981 00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,400 want to add any more thoughts? 982 00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,190 >> Um 983 00:41:55,190 --> 00:41:55,200 » Um 984 00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:56,640 I think I've said enough. I think 985 00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,760 everybody knows where I mean there are a 986 00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:01,440 number of municipalities that have just 987 00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:05,680 started this process of opposition to uh 988 00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:07,839 to this bill and I pretty sure that 989 00:42:07,839 --> 00:42:09,680 there will be many more of these over 990 00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:16,950 the next few months. 991 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,440 If I could add starting with 992 00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,920 municipalities 993 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:26,400 York and now you see that the problem 994 00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,680 just turned around and is trying to 995 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:31,760 put things the opposite way. 996 00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:35,109 >> So they have a long habit of trying to 997 00:42:35,109 --> 00:42:35,119 » So they have a long habit of trying to 998 00:42:35,119 --> 00:42:37,920 do amalgamation before and now they're 999 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:39,839 trying it with school boards and 1000 00:42:39,839 --> 00:42:43,280 trustees as well. So it they have this 1001 00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:44,960 long history of they're trying to do 1002 00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:46,960 this and to do the same thing 1003 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,040 conservation authorities realize that 1004 00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,119 they've done a wrong track and then to 1005 00:42:51,119 --> 00:42:53,599 turn around down the road it try to take 1006 00:42:53,599 --> 00:42:57,520 it back the way it was is going to make 1007 00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:00,400 a mess of everything. So that's why I'm 1008 00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:01,599 supporting this 1009 00:43:01,599 --> 00:43:04,309 >> and I'm not against efficiencies. I'm 1010 00:43:04,309 --> 00:43:04,319 » and I'm not against efficiencies. I'm 1011 00:43:04,319 --> 00:43:08,079 just I just think they're 1012 00:43:08,079 --> 00:43:17,094 >> they're not Yeah. this won't be. 1013 00:43:17,104 --> 00:43:18,960 [laughter] 1014 00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,829 >> All right. Any other thoughts on that? 1015 00:43:21,829 --> 00:43:21,839 » All right. Any other thoughts on that? 1016 00:43:21,839 --> 00:43:24,079 All the questions. 1017 00:43:24,079 --> 00:43:27,040 All in favor? 1018 00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:28,560 Okay. 1019 00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:30,960 All right. Any other items for 1020 00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:34,069 communication? 1021 00:43:34,079 --> 00:43:36,160 Okay. Can I get a motion then to receive 1022 00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:41,109 the remaining items for information? 1023 00:43:41,119 --> 00:43:43,839 Second byner. 1024 00:43:43,839 --> 00:43:48,000 All in favor? It's carried. All right. 1025 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:53,040 Next item is uh close session and 1026 00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:56,000 um because the only items after close 1027 00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:57,760 session is the confirming bylaw and 1028 00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,240 adjournment. Uh we had a brief chat 1029 00:44:00,240 --> 00:44:01,839 beforehand, we're going to let our 1030 00:44:01,839 --> 00:44:05,359 deputy clerk um leave because she does 1031 00:44:05,359 --> 00:44:06,880 have quite a drive ahead of her anyway. 1032 00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:08,240 So, I don't want to make her stick 1033 00:44:08,240 --> 00:44:12,000 around just to adjourn the meeting. Um, 1034 00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,000 but what that does mean is that the the 1035 00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:17,040 actual live stream um will not come on 1036 00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,520 for the adjourn. Uh, any reporting out 1037 00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:21,520 from close action will still be properly 1038 00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,000 captured in the minutes um and and will 1039 00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:25,520 be in the minutes that are available at 1040 00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:28,480 the at the next agenda. 1041 00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,119 So with that, can I have a motion to 1042 00:44:31,119 --> 00:44:34,720 according to section 239 sub 2 subb of 1043 00:44:34,720 --> 00:44:36,880 the municipal act move into close 1044 00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:38,960 session for the purpose of discussing 1045 00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,040 personal matters about an identifiable 1046 00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,040 individual including municipal or local 1047 00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:46,319 board employees? Council sample seconded 1048 00:44:46,319 --> 00:44:50,240 by councelor vegan. All in favor? That's 1049 00:44:50,240 --> 00:44:54,790 car. 1050 00:44:54,800 --> 00:45:00,440 Give a chance to uh shut down.