1 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:10,880 All right, everyone. I'm going to call 2 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:13,440 the regular select board meeting, 3 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:14,960 Brattleboroough Select Board meeting of 4 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:18,560 September 15th to order. Um, John, was 5 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:19,840 this meeting properly warned? 6 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:21,039 >> Yes, Oscar, it was. 7 00:00:21,039 --> 00:00:22,560 >> Thank you. The board entered into 8 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:27,359 executive session at 5:15 p.m. 9 00:00:27,359 --> 00:00:29,679 Um, moving ahead to adjustments to 10 00:00:29,679 --> 00:00:31,279 agenda. I actually do have one to 11 00:00:31,279 --> 00:00:34,079 propose with apologies. 12 00:00:34,079 --> 00:00:36,640 A staff member has a family commitment 13 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,360 and I'd like to recommend that we move 14 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:42,079 the finance department reports at 15 00:00:42,079 --> 00:00:44,160 regular business C up to the top of 16 00:00:44,160 --> 00:00:47,670 regular business. 17 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:49,600 We can, if there are no objections, we 18 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:52,960 can do it by unanimous consent. 19 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:55,440 I'm seeing nods. Okay. My apologies to 20 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:57,280 anyone else further down the agenda. 21 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:00,719 We'll try to move efficiently, but um I 22 00:01:00,719 --> 00:01:02,160 apologize for that. And for members of 23 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:03,920 the public who were scheduling around 24 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:06,960 this, I'm sorry about the inconvenience. 25 00:01:06,960 --> 00:01:09,840 Any other adjustments to the agenda? 26 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:12,960 Seeing none, chair's remarks. I have a 27 00:01:12,960 --> 00:01:16,550 few. 28 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:18,080 Uh, last night at the library, the 29 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:20,080 select board held a community meeting on 30 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:23,520 the topics of ICE and the BPD's relevant 31 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:25,759 policies. I'd like to thank everyone 32 00:01:25,759 --> 00:01:26,960 involved for an outstanding 33 00:01:26,960 --> 00:01:28,640 conversation. 34 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:30,080 I mean, that's a topic that's going to 35 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:32,400 be challenging for any town, and our 36 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:34,000 discussion was substantive and 37 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:36,079 constructive while still being 38 00:01:36,079 --> 00:01:38,640 neighborly. I also want to thank Chief 39 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:40,640 Evans and Assistant Chief Pllock for 40 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:42,960 their wholehearted participation and to 41 00:01:42,960 --> 00:01:46,159 BCTV, the library, and town staff for 42 00:01:46,159 --> 00:01:49,840 putting on such a substantial event on 43 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:52,799 relatively short notice. 44 00:01:52,799 --> 00:01:54,320 Unfortunately, I do have to note one 45 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:58,320 incident um in an otherwise excellent 46 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:00,240 evening of conversation. At one point, 47 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:02,479 when a speaker was leaving the mic, he 48 00:02:02,479 --> 00:02:04,240 was shoved by another person who also 49 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:07,040 made a few unpleasant remarks. Um, it 50 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:08,479 wasn't clear to me at the time what was 51 00:02:08,479 --> 00:02:09,920 happening or I would have intervened. 52 00:02:09,920 --> 00:02:12,319 But physical hostility like that has no 53 00:02:12,319 --> 00:02:15,200 place in a community discussion. 54 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:17,280 I'll even go one step further and say 55 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:20,640 that this happened to the more or less 56 00:02:20,640 --> 00:02:22,239 the one person in that room who is 57 00:02:22,239 --> 00:02:23,760 disagreeing with everyone else in the 58 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:26,319 room. Protecting even the voices we 59 00:02:26,319 --> 00:02:30,160 disagree with or dislike is 60 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:31,920 a fundamental part of community 61 00:02:31,920 --> 00:02:34,640 democracy. So, I hope we can all work 62 00:02:34,640 --> 00:02:36,640 together to make sure that this doesn't 63 00:02:36,640 --> 00:02:38,640 happen again. That's not really how we 64 00:02:38,640 --> 00:02:41,599 do things in Brattleboro. 65 00:02:41,599 --> 00:02:44,480 I'd also like to briefly comment on the 66 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:46,560 um good news about the BMH birthing 67 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:48,959 center. Many, many people work to make 68 00:02:48,959 --> 00:02:51,280 that happen. I'd like to specifically 69 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:53,440 highlight from that group Karina Tenant 70 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:55,680 and Jordan Schwarz. But tonight, I'd 71 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:58,560 like to make particular mention of our 72 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:01,920 town manager, John Potter. He truly made 73 00:03:01,920 --> 00:03:05,120 this project a mission of his. He was a 74 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:07,680 rallying force to the entire very large 75 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,239 group. He was in every single meeting 76 00:03:10,239 --> 00:03:14,159 whether it was two people or 30. Uh I'm 77 00:03:14,159 --> 00:03:16,080 really truly thankful for his leadership 78 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:18,400 on this critical project. 79 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:19,200 So thank you John. 80 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:21,280 >> Thanks Oscar. 81 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:23,840 >> And one final sort of unofficial note, 82 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:25,680 people are starting to ask questions 83 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:28,319 about and apply for the human services 84 00:03:28,319 --> 00:03:30,799 committee. The select board hasn't taken 85 00:03:30,799 --> 00:03:33,519 any action yet on what that process will 86 00:03:33,519 --> 00:03:36,400 look like. Um, 87 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:38,319 but I know that the current chair and 88 00:03:38,319 --> 00:03:40,319 vice chair of the outgoing committee are 89 00:03:40,319 --> 00:03:43,680 recommending a process that starts in 90 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:45,840 spring after town meeting approves the 91 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:47,680 final number so that the committee can 92 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:49,599 work off of an actual number instead of 93 00:03:49,599 --> 00:03:53,120 a hypothetical. Um, I expect that the 94 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:54,799 board will take up this question of 95 00:03:54,799 --> 00:03:57,120 process sometime in the near future, but 96 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,280 I wanted to give a little the the little 97 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:02,799 info I have to people who are asking. 98 00:04:02,799 --> 00:04:05,439 And that is all I have. We have no 99 00:04:05,439 --> 00:04:08,159 minutes to approve. Um, so now John, 100 00:04:08,159 --> 00:04:09,280 I'll turn it over to you for your 101 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:09,760 comments. 102 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:12,319 >> Okay. Thank you, Oscar. Uh, so ballots 103 00:04:12,319 --> 00:04:14,080 for the November 3rd election will be 104 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:16,000 mailed by the state to all active 105 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,959 registered voters between September 21st 106 00:04:18,959 --> 00:04:22,560 and October 1st. Voters may track their 107 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:25,199 ballot status by logging onto their 108 00:04:25,199 --> 00:04:29,749 voter portal at vote.vermont.gov. 109 00:04:29,759 --> 00:04:31,840 Um, if you have any trouble logging into 110 00:04:31,840 --> 00:04:33,759 that portal, please contact the town 111 00:04:33,759 --> 00:04:36,080 clerk's office. And if you do not 112 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:38,960 receive your ballot by October 13th, 113 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,120 also please contact the town clerk's 114 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:44,320 office. want to uh let the board know 115 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:46,720 that I've written a letter of support 116 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:49,680 for the retreat farm in their efforts to 117 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:52,320 strengthen the outdoor recreation sector 118 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:54,639 in the Brattleboroough region by 119 00:04:54,639 --> 00:04:56,240 encouraging collaboration among 120 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:58,639 organizations, expanding programming and 121 00:04:58,639 --> 00:05:01,520 events and more effectively promoting 122 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:04,160 our area as an important outdoor 123 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:06,400 recreation destination. 124 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:08,479 And also, I want to let the board know 125 00:05:08,479 --> 00:05:11,280 that the ADA committee met for the first 126 00:05:11,280 --> 00:05:13,120 time in many years last week at the 127 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:14,720 Brooks Memorial Library, and the 128 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:17,120 committee has yet to establish a regular 129 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:18,800 meeting day, but they're excited to 130 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:20,400 begin work. 131 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:22,800 >> Thank you, John. Yep. 132 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:24,479 >> Select board comments or committee 133 00:05:24,479 --> 00:05:26,320 reports. We'll start on the left. Nell, 134 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:27,199 do you have any comments? 135 00:05:27,199 --> 00:05:28,160 >> Not today. 136 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:28,800 >> Peter? 137 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:31,520 >> Yeah. Um, just wanted to highlight a had 138 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:34,000 the opportunity to uh interview Kate 139 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,960 Trasus a few weeks ago about what the uh 140 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:40,000 DBA is doing. It's a program called 141 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:42,080 vacant to vibrant and it's uh about 142 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,720 turning the empty storefronts uh into 143 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:46,639 opportunities in our downtown, bringing 144 00:05:46,639 --> 00:05:49,039 businesses into our downtown, some 145 00:05:49,039 --> 00:05:51,600 creativity back to our downtown and uh 146 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:53,120 strengthening Main Street and just 147 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:54,639 building a stronger community. So, I 148 00:05:54,639 --> 00:05:56,400 wanted to give them a shout out if 149 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:58,080 that's something that would uh interest 150 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:00,639 you to reach out to Kate or Aaron for 151 00:06:00,639 --> 00:06:03,039 more details. It's uh it's a pretty 152 00:06:03,039 --> 00:06:07,440 exciting um and innovative idea and I'm looking forward to assisting 153 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:08,800 wherever I can. 154 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,120 >> Thank you, Peter. Amanda, 155 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:12,960 >> um yeah, I have two things. Uh one 156 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:14,560 thing, I want to acknowledge and thank 157 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:16,560 the Vermont State Police for a traffic 158 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:18,800 stop that they did on Monday. Um and 159 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:20,880 they successfully apprehended a lot of 160 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:23,280 drugs that were going to come into our 161 00:06:23,280 --> 00:06:25,280 community. So, thank you, Vermont State 162 00:06:25,280 --> 00:06:29,120 Police. Um, the other thing is I want to 163 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:31,039 acknowledge it's been 25 years since 164 00:06:31,039 --> 00:06:34,000 September 11th, and for us to have all 165 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:35,600 been I know we've all been thinking 166 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:38,000 about first responders, people who lost 167 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,720 family members. Um, and a time of 168 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:42,800 remembrance is always really important. 169 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:44,479 So, thank you. 170 00:06:44,479 --> 00:06:47,199 >> Thank you, Amanda Isaac. 171 00:06:47,199 --> 00:06:49,120 >> Yeah, I want to follow up. Um in the 172 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:53,120 last meeting I believe I mentioned that 173 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:55,120 uh that we had had a conversation about 174 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:56,639 parking. A group of people had shown up 175 00:06:56,639 --> 00:06:58,479 at the library for that community 176 00:06:58,479 --> 00:07:00,880 discussion and uh went to follow up that 177 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:02,639 I did do what I said I would do which is 178 00:07:02,639 --> 00:07:05,039 to share those recommendations with the 179 00:07:05,039 --> 00:07:08,080 town manager what we had received and if 180 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:10,080 people are interested in in learning 181 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:11,280 more about that or having more 182 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:13,199 discussion I'm I'm glad to have have 183 00:07:13,199 --> 00:07:14,800 that conversation. 184 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:17,039 >> Thanks Isaac. 185 00:07:17,039 --> 00:07:18,720 I'm going to move to open public 186 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:20,800 comment. So, this is an opportunity for 187 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:22,720 anyone in the public, in the room or 188 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:24,880 online, to make a comment or ask a 189 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:26,240 question about something that isn't 190 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:28,880 later on the agenda. The one exception 191 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:30,960 is if you have a a comment about the 192 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:32,639 consent agenda, this is an excellent 193 00:07:32,639 --> 00:07:36,800 time to do that as well. Um, for the for 194 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:38,800 speaking for this section and the entire 195 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:40,240 rest of the meeting, please just raise 196 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:42,240 your hand. I'll call on you if you'll 197 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:44,160 come up to the microphone and state your 198 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:47,199 name and um make a comment. We do ask 199 00:07:47,199 --> 00:07:48,800 people to stay under three minutes so 200 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:50,880 that we can get through our meeting in 201 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:53,599 time. Um so members of the public with a 202 00:07:53,599 --> 00:07:54,800 comment about something not on the 203 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:57,759 agenda. Yes, sir. 204 00:07:57,759 --> 00:07:59,199 >> Thank you. 205 00:07:59,199 --> 00:08:01,840 >> I'm Mark Baxter, live in downtown 206 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:05,120 Brattleboro on the river. I just have 207 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:07,360 brief comments about the permit this 208 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:10,800 evening requested by the new restaurant 209 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:12,800 Railen River. 210 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:14,479 I sent each of you an email about it, 211 00:08:14,479 --> 00:08:16,639 but let's let me briefly recap this 212 00:08:16,639 --> 00:08:19,440 evening for you in case you missed that. 213 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,479 Uh I'm excited to see a business of this 214 00:08:22,479 --> 00:08:24,479 caliber opening in Brattleboro. I 215 00:08:24,479 --> 00:08:29,199 support the restaurant. I I go there. 216 00:08:29,199 --> 00:08:32,080 I'm simply asking and pointing out that 217 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:34,880 sound carries extremely well across 218 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:38,959 water. Uh much further, much louder than 219 00:08:38,959 --> 00:08:41,279 it normally would. 220 00:08:41,279 --> 00:08:44,720 And this permit is requesting amplified 221 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:46,320 entertainment 222 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:48,640 three nights 223 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:51,920 each and every week until midnight. 224 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:53,519 And I just want to point out that many 225 00:08:53,519 --> 00:08:55,440 of us live within a block of that 226 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:59,360 restaurant on the water. Uh so I have a 227 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:02,640 very simple request of the board and of 228 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:04,399 the restaurant 229 00:09:04,399 --> 00:09:06,880 that the amplified speakers remain 230 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:09,360 inside the building 231 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:12,320 away from the doors and not on the decks 232 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:15,360 of the restaurant overlooking the water. 233 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:17,360 Uh just to be respectful of the 234 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:18,880 neighborhood and those living around 235 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:20,640 them. 236 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,519 So the potential impact could be 237 00:09:23,519 --> 00:09:27,519 significant and it's entirely avoidable. 238 00:09:27,519 --> 00:09:29,360 and I just ask that the board consider 239 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:30,640 that and make it a condition of 240 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:31,920 approval. Thank you. 241 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:34,959 >> Thank you. 242 00:09:34,959 --> 00:09:37,440 >> So the way this will work, if any 243 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:39,120 members of the board want to pull an 244 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:40,800 item off the consent agenda for 245 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:43,040 discussion, they can do that at the 246 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:45,200 start of the next part of the meeting. 247 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:46,959 And if that happens, it'll then go at 248 00:09:46,959 --> 00:09:48,480 the end of the regular agenda and we'll 249 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:50,800 discuss it in more detail. Uh other 250 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:57,910 comments? Yes, stick. 251 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:00,640 Thank you, Dick Gray, Bradboro. 252 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:04,320 Uh, I see that Vrans is in the room. I 253 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:06,080 won't direct my question at them. I'll 254 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:07,680 direct it at you, Mr. Chairman. 255 00:10:07,680 --> 00:10:08,080 >> Thank you. 256 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:11,279 >> And at John. Uh, talking about the 257 00:10:11,279 --> 00:10:14,160 synchronization of the street lights 258 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:18,480 from the junction, especially uh heading 259 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:24,160 north uh off the Hensdale uh bridge. uh 260 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:27,760 they seem to not have changed much with 261 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:31,279 the minor tweaking that was done and 262 00:10:31,279 --> 00:10:35,040 also I have noticed and it's been going 263 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:36,959 on for a long time even before the 264 00:10:36,959 --> 00:10:40,640 bridge but on Saturday and Sunday if you 265 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:43,120 are heading south and trying to get on 266 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:45,200 to 142 267 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:48,000 that light that allows you to make that 268 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:51,760 lefthand turn changes after about two 269 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:53,040 vehicles. 270 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:55,279 Normally about seven or eight vehicles, 271 00:10:55,279 --> 00:10:58,000 if not more, get through that light. But 272 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:00,640 on the weekend, the sequencing is 273 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:03,120 different for some reason. I've never 274 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:05,760 asked anyone why, but that that's a huge 275 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:08,720 issue. Uh especially on the weekends 276 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:11,040 because it backs traffic up all the way 277 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:15,200 up Main Street that's heading south. Uh 278 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:18,160 my second question would be I wasn't 279 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:20,480 here for the first meeting I believe in 280 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:23,519 August where I think it was mentioned 281 00:11:23,519 --> 00:11:27,120 that a fire truck or of an apparatus in 282 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:31,760 the fire department blew an engine. Uh I 283 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:34,079 think I had heard that if I could get an 284 00:11:34,079 --> 00:11:37,920 update on the status of of what that is. 285 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:42,480 And uh the last thing I will say that uh 286 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:44,480 the shelter is going to be open up in a 287 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:47,519 couple of weeks. Uh again, I would I 288 00:11:47,519 --> 00:11:50,800 would hope that uh we could make some 289 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:52,560 sort of movement before the winter 290 00:11:52,560 --> 00:11:55,360 weather comes in with a sidewalk down 291 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:58,800 142 to uh the entrance up into the 292 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:00,959 shelter area. Thank you. 293 00:12:00,959 --> 00:12:04,880 >> Thank you, Dick. Um 294 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:06,800 okay, so couple different questions. Are 295 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:08,880 there any that we can answer now? 296 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:12,160 Otherwise, we can write them down and 297 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:12,959 get back to you. 298 00:12:12,959 --> 00:12:15,360 >> Well, uh Dan could update us on the 299 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:17,040 traffic lights if you would like. 300 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:21,910 >> That would be great. Thank you, Dan. 301 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:25,519 » Yes. Uh VR approved some funds through a 302 00:12:25,519 --> 00:12:27,680 change order to the paving project to 303 00:12:27,680 --> 00:12:29,360 work on the synchronization of those 304 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:34,079 traffic lights. um AKRF and a a 305 00:12:34,079 --> 00:12:37,200 consultant for Vrans 306 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:39,920 has begun the work. They collected all 307 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:42,720 the data and they gave it back to Vrans 308 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:46,399 to produce the timing. Um we're waiting 309 00:12:46,399 --> 00:12:49,120 on that stuff. Once they get it the 310 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:51,360 timing back to AKRF, they'll implement 311 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:55,120 it. Um we've been saying anytime now, 312 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:56,959 but that's that's the message we keep 313 00:12:56,959 --> 00:13:00,000 getting. Um, and as far as the sidewalk, 314 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,480 the railroads consultant has reviewed 315 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:04,959 the plans at this point. Um, we need to 316 00:13:04,959 --> 00:13:07,200 make a few amendments to those, send 317 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:08,880 them back for review, and then hopefully 318 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:11,680 they'll issue the easement and then we 319 00:13:11,680 --> 00:13:14,240 can keep moving forward on that project. 320 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:16,000 >> Thanks, Dan. So, it sounds like both in 321 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,639 progress with forward motion. 322 00:13:18,639 --> 00:13:20,240 >> And then firetruck engines. 323 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:22,560 >> Um, I have no update on whether that's 324 00:13:22,560 --> 00:13:25,120 been repaired yet, but I I think it has. 325 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:27,760 Um it's uh if if not it was a high 326 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:29,279 priority and they're trying to get 327 00:13:29,279 --> 00:13:30,560 everything back online. So 328 00:13:30,560 --> 00:13:33,760 >> okay and um for our guests from Vrans 329 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:35,760 don't worry you are only here for your 330 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:37,760 own agenda item and not on the hook for 331 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:39,040 that question. 332 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:40,480 >> Other questions or comments from the 333 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:41,200 public. 334 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:44,000 >> Oh yes and I got sorry um I got an 335 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:45,920 update that that engine has been 336 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:47,519 repaired and is back in service. So 337 00:13:47,519 --> 00:13:48,800 >> that was quick. Thank you. You're 338 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:49,519 welcome. 339 00:13:49,519 --> 00:13:52,160 >> Yes sir. 340 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:55,120 >> Thank you. Um, my name is Akmal Esahani. 341 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:58,480 Uh, I'm here to ask the Bra Select Board 342 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:00,320 to consider adopting a resolution 343 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:02,959 condemning the ongoing war against Iran 344 00:14:02,959 --> 00:14:04,639 and calling for an immediate end to the 345 00:14:04,639 --> 00:14:06,639 violence, the protection of civilians, 346 00:14:06,639 --> 00:14:09,199 and a diplomatic path toward peace. 347 00:14:09,199 --> 00:14:10,720 Communities throughout the region have 348 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:12,399 recognized that local governments have a 349 00:14:12,399 --> 00:14:14,399 moral voice when civilians are being 350 00:14:14,399 --> 00:14:16,160 killed and communities are being 351 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:18,959 destroyed by war. Nearby towns, mostly 352 00:14:18,959 --> 00:14:21,120 to do with Gaza or Palestine, have 353 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:22,480 passed resolutions calling for 354 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:25,120 ceasefires, humanitarian assistance, 355 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:27,040 protection of civilians, and an end to 356 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:29,360 policies that perpetuate violence. And 357 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:31,279 although Oakland, California is across 358 00:14:31,279 --> 00:14:34,000 the country, to my understanding in June 359 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:36,399 it passed a resolution actually titled 360 00:14:36,399 --> 00:14:39,199 condemning the war in on Iran. I believe 361 00:14:39,199 --> 00:14:41,519 Bow Roll should consider doing the same. 362 00:14:41,519 --> 00:14:44,079 Condemning this war, to be clear, does 363 00:14:44,079 --> 00:14:45,920 not mean supporting or condemning any 364 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:47,920 particular government or group. It is 365 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:49,839 entirely possible to disagree with the 366 00:14:49,839 --> 00:14:52,079 government of Iran and also oppose the 367 00:14:52,079 --> 00:14:54,000 bombing of Iranian cities and the 368 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:56,880 killing of Iranian civilians. We should 369 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:58,720 all take seriously the allegations that 370 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:00,720 some attacks in this conflict may be 371 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:03,600 violating international law. I therefore 372 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:05,920 ask Battleboro Select Board to consider 373 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:08,720 a resolution calling for an immediate 374 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:10,880 sessation of hostilities and and a 375 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:13,199 sustained ceasefire in Iran, the 376 00:15:13,199 --> 00:15:14,880 protection of civilians and unrestricted 377 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:17,199 humanitarian assistance, independent 378 00:15:17,199 --> 00:15:19,199 investigation of credible allegations of 379 00:15:19,199 --> 00:15:21,279 violations of international law and 380 00:15:21,279 --> 00:15:23,839 possible war crimes, a commitment to the 381 00:15:23,839 --> 00:15:26,079 diplomacy and negotiations rather than 382 00:15:26,079 --> 00:15:28,320 further military escalation, and support 383 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:29,600 for members of the Browboroough 384 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:31,199 community who are affected by this 385 00:15:31,199 --> 00:15:32,959 conflict. Thank you. 386 00:15:32,959 --> 00:15:35,440 >> Thank you, sir. And for anyone who's new 387 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:38,639 to the meeting for we can't have sub 388 00:15:38,639 --> 00:15:40,320 substantive discussions about anything 389 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:42,079 that isn't warned later on the agenda. 390 00:15:42,079 --> 00:15:43,760 So, thank you for your comment. And if 391 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:45,680 you have any materials or anything to 392 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:48,639 follow up with, please reach out. 393 00:15:48,639 --> 00:15:49,680 >> May I offer one? 394 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:50,560 >> Sure. 395 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:53,040 >> Um, my name is Isaac. My name is right 396 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:54,639 here and I'd be interested in connecting 397 00:15:54,639 --> 00:15:57,199 with you separate from this meeting. Um 398 00:15:57,199 --> 00:15:59,600 there's plenty that we could do together 399 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:03,360 and apart from the select board as well. 400 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:06,160 >> Thank you Isaac. Any other comments from 401 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:08,399 the public? 402 00:16:08,399 --> 00:16:10,320 >> Okay, seeing none, we'll move on to the 403 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:12,240 consent agenda. 404 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:13,120 >> Yes, sir. 405 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:16,880 >> I ask Steve is that is that after this? 406 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:19,199 >> What's what topic? 407 00:16:19,199 --> 00:16:19,680 >> Remind me. 408 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:21,120 >> Can I talk for three minutes? 409 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:22,800 >> Sure. Yes. 410 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:26,800 >> I'm Dr. William Foster. Um, I am the CEO 411 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:29,360 of Holographic Technologies, Inc. We are 412 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:31,040 headquartered on Chestnut Street and 413 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:34,399 John Serest Building. Um, I have 50 414 00:16:34,399 --> 00:16:36,320 years of experience building AI data 415 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:38,639 centers. I built all the a data centers 416 00:16:38,639 --> 00:16:40,639 for the military. I helped Algore invent 417 00:16:40,639 --> 00:16:44,639 the internet. Um, I I I invented this. I 418 00:16:44,639 --> 00:16:46,959 did all the Congress. I worked for G. I 419 00:16:46,959 --> 00:16:48,720 built most of the AI data centers for 420 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:51,519 most of the the corporations. Um I am 421 00:16:51,519 --> 00:16:54,399 the direct descendant and Phineas White, 422 00:16:54,399 --> 00:16:56,000 the first congressman from southern 423 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:58,480 Vermont is my great-grandfather. Um 424 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:01,519 Phineas White at back in in the early 425 00:17:01,519 --> 00:17:04,000 1800s worked with Daniel Webster, but it 426 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:07,199 was clear he thought that technology and 427 00:17:07,199 --> 00:17:10,160 democracy could create a rural utopia in 428 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:12,079 southern Vermont. And he was damn sure 429 00:17:12,079 --> 00:17:13,679 that Boston and New York were not going 430 00:17:13,679 --> 00:17:15,360 to control Vermont. I can tell you a 431 00:17:15,360 --> 00:17:17,039 hell of a lot more when when Vermont 432 00:17:17,039 --> 00:17:19,199 when Brad was seceded from the union in 433 00:17:19,199 --> 00:17:22,720 18 in 1780. Um 434 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:25,439 what I want to make clear is it is I 435 00:17:25,439 --> 00:17:29,280 mean I all the people in the IT industry 436 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:31,280 are moving to Bradboro. The I mean you 437 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:33,280 go left and right you people in 40 50 438 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:34,880 years sol the most difficult problems 439 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:37,760 are all coming to either western mass 440 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:41,360 keen or southern Vermont. It's amazing. 441 00:17:41,360 --> 00:17:42,880 But and many of them don't have jobs, 442 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:44,640 but they want to get the hell out of 443 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:46,240 California. It's horrible place. 444 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:47,840 Everyone knows Silicon Valley is going 445 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:50,240 to see that and basically the 446 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:52,320 semiconductor and the whole Silicon 447 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:54,240 Valley industry is gone. We're moving 448 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:57,360 away from electrons to photons from 449 00:17:57,360 --> 00:18:00,799 semiconductors to holographs. 450 00:18:00,799 --> 00:18:03,440 this electron we're just we have 451 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:05,679 destroyed the planet by relying on these 452 00:18:05,679 --> 00:18:08,000 stupid AI data centers that use these 453 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:09,840 demon these that are taking massive 454 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:11,520 amounts of energy creating an electrom 455 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:13,200 and have caused climate change and if we 456 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:15,360 don't wake up in one year there will be 457 00:18:15,360 --> 00:18:18,080 no humans ever on earth I'm sorry to be 458 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:20,880 here but basically within basically 459 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:23,440 every building in Windham County the old 460 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:24,640 buildings where we bought the factories 461 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:28,000 we retrofitted IBM GE 462 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:30,480 and Huawei technologies are going move 463 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:32,240 here. There's going to be trillions of 464 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:34,240 dollars coming into Windham County. It's 465 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:36,960 right. There's incredible jobs within 466 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:39,760 this radio if you to go from Boston to 467 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:41,760 or from Harvard and MIT to Darwin to 468 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:43,120 Yale to Williams. Incredible 469 00:18:43,120 --> 00:18:45,200 opportunities. We've been the we have we 470 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:47,520 have led technology. It doesn't belong. 471 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:49,679 It belongs at Brad. Thanks. 472 00:18:49,679 --> 00:18:52,000 >> Thank you. 473 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:56,230 Other comments by the public. 474 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:57,840 » Okay. So, let's move ahead to the 475 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:02,630 consent agenda. Um, 476 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:04,400 I do have a couple questions about the 477 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:07,760 rail and river application, but do you 478 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:10,640 why don't you give us the rundown first? 479 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:14,000 >> Okay. Um, so there are 10 items on the 480 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,880 consent agenda. One of them is if if you 481 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:19,360 approve the agenda, you'll be approving 482 00:19:19,360 --> 00:19:21,840 an annual entertainment license for Rail 483 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:24,320 and River Tavern, which is located at 36 484 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:26,960 Bridge Street. You'll be approving a 485 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:28,960 secondass liquor license, tobacco 486 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:30,559 license, and tobacco substitute 487 00:19:30,559 --> 00:19:34,000 endorsement permit renewal for J&K 488 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:37,200 grocery located at 69 Elliot Street. 489 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:39,039 You'll be approving a first and 490 00:19:39,039 --> 00:19:41,200 secondass liquor license renewal for 491 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:45,600 Hool's Wines located at 972 Putney Road. 492 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:47,679 You'll be approving a secondass liquor 493 00:19:47,679 --> 00:19:50,160 license, tobacco license, and to tobacco 494 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:52,000 substitute endorsement permit renewal 495 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:56,320 for change food mart at 228 Canal. 496 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:58,160 You'll be approving a first and third 497 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:00,240 class liquor license renewal for Snow 498 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:03,520 Republic located at 100 Maine. You'll be 499 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:05,520 reappointing Steven Nelson as deputy 500 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:07,440 town health officer. You'll be 501 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:09,600 appointing the town manager as the VLCT 502 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:11,840 annual meeting delegate. You'll be 503 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:14,320 approving error and emission changes to 504 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:17,520 the 2026 grand list. You'll be approving 505 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:19,520 an agreement to purchase road salt from 506 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:21,520 Morton Salt, Inc. under the state's 507 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:25,360 contract for 10469 508 00:20:25,360 --> 00:20:28,480 a ton delivered and you'll be approving 509 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:30,960 a wastewater agreement with Alier's fire 510 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:32,960 district number one. 511 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:37,190 >> Thank you, John. 512 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:43,280 So I have a couple questions about the comments about rail and river. John, 513 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:45,440 maybe you can help me. So the desri the 514 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:48,000 only description of the use here in the 515 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:50,640 application is where it says live music 516 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,120 and trivia bingo and then the hours 8 to 517 00:20:53,120 --> 00:20:55,760 12. That's 518 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:57,039 all we get in the application, right? 519 00:20:57,039 --> 00:20:58,559 >> Yep. That's what the application asks 520 00:20:58,559 --> 00:20:59,280 for. 521 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:02,640 >> Yeah. And if we grant the permit and 522 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:04,720 then let's say noise turns out to be a 523 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,120 big problem, what tools do we have? 524 00:21:07,120 --> 00:21:09,840 >> We can revoke the permit or apply 525 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:12,640 conditions because there's issues that 526 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:16,559 um develop and um and and reissue it. 527 00:21:16,559 --> 00:21:20,240 >> Okay. Um my only other comment is that I 528 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:23,600 remember the old wetstone used to do 529 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,480 live music and similar things at some 530 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:28,799 context. So 531 00:21:28,799 --> 00:21:31,919 my feeling is my personal inclination is 532 00:21:31,919 --> 00:21:34,159 not to pull it and revisit if there's an 533 00:21:34,159 --> 00:21:36,320 actual if we actually start to hear 534 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:39,039 complaints, but um any one board member 535 00:21:39,039 --> 00:21:41,120 can pull any item from consents and 536 00:21:41,120 --> 00:21:42,799 we'll move it to the end of the agenda. 537 00:21:42,799 --> 00:21:45,200 >> And we can also pass along the concern 538 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:46,880 uh when we issue the license if you 539 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:48,400 would like. 540 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,080 >> Yes, that sounds good. 541 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:51,919 >> It said in the agenda that a 542 00:21:51,919 --> 00:21:53,760 representative from River and Rail was 543 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:57,200 here would or would be here. So 544 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:58,720 hopefully that person is hearing the 545 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,840 concern about yeah the volume notably on 546 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:03,520 the the outdoor decks it sounds like. 547 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:04,720 >> Okay. They may be. 548 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:09,110 >> Yeah. I'm seeing nods. 549 00:22:09,120 --> 00:22:09,520 » Okay. 550 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,159 >> So are you saying that we should pull 551 00:22:12,159 --> 00:22:13,840 this from the agenda and talk about it? 552 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:15,039 >> That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying 553 00:22:15,039 --> 00:22:17,039 that uh passing along the concern is 554 00:22:17,039 --> 00:22:18,799 good and it also seems like we have the 555 00:22:18,799 --> 00:22:20,159 opportunity that someone's directly here 556 00:22:20,159 --> 00:22:21,520 in the room to hear the concern right 557 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:23,600 now as we're discussing it as it's been 558 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:24,960 voiced. Yep. 559 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,520 >> Okay. So, um either a request to pull or 560 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:28,960 if someone otherwise would like to make 561 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:29,760 a motion to 562 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:29,919 >> a 563 00:22:29,919 --> 00:22:31,600 >> motion 564 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,080 a motion to accept the uh consent agenda 565 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:35,200 as presented. 566 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,840 >> Okay, Peter has moved to accept the 567 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:39,919 consent agenda as presented. All board 568 00:22:39,919 --> 00:22:41,840 members in favor, please say I. 569 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:42,640 >> I. 570 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:51,990 >> And that carries 5-0. 571 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:53,520 » All right, moving along to regular 572 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,320 business. This is where the adjustment 573 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:58,480 to the agenda will take place. So, we're 574 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,440 going to start with C, finance 575 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:02,720 department reports, and then take 576 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,520 everything else in order. So, we're 577 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:07,280 starting with a presentation by town 578 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,320 staff. I think we have Bonnie on Zoom. 579 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,080 And 580 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:13,760 >> is it you or Sarah Rose? 581 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,000 >> I'm not sure. I did see Sarah Rose, but 582 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,039 I don't Oh, there she is. Come on up. 583 00:23:19,039 --> 00:23:22,400 >> Yes, you're invited to the table. 584 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,480 And I think it sounds like the three of 585 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,080 you would may divide this up in 586 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:27,120 different ways. 587 00:23:27,120 --> 00:23:34,320 >> Yeah. And so I guess uh I guess I'll start uh by um introducing the 588 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,159 board and the public to Sarah Rose 589 00:23:36,159 --> 00:23:38,240 Bissell, our new finance director who 590 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:43,039 has um started this last month. And um 591 00:23:43,039 --> 00:23:46,320 of course Bonnie Batch Elder is uh who 592 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,120 you've uh been working with for the past 593 00:23:49,120 --> 00:23:52,559 uh year and a half. And um tonight we 594 00:23:52,559 --> 00:23:55,520 were going to cover three things in the 595 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,480 finance reports. The first uh Bonnie 596 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,360 will talk about the finance report 597 00:24:01,360 --> 00:24:04,720 through June 2026. So the kind of the 598 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:06,880 quarterly review for the last quarter of 599 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:12,880 fiscal year 26. Uh then um Sarah Rose, 600 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:17,520 we will do the July report uh for this 601 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,919 fiscal year or I will if you're not 602 00:24:19,919 --> 00:24:21,200 prepared to do that. 603 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:26,960 >> And uh then finally um Bonnie will uh uh 604 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,679 address the FY25 audit which has been 605 00:24:29,679 --> 00:24:31,760 completed and we had spoken about 606 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,480 several meetings ago and um that this 607 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,640 would be the time to delve into that. if 608 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:37,440 you wish. 609 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,159 >> Would it be possible to do audit before 610 00:24:40,159 --> 00:24:42,080 myself since Bonnie's on a timeline? 611 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,400 >> Oh, yes. Good idea. Thank you. That 612 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:44,960 sounds good. 613 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:45,919 >> Y Okay. 614 00:24:45,919 --> 00:24:48,080 >> Okay. Yes. Let's start with the audit 615 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:50,960 and turn it over to Bonnie. 616 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,080 >> Hello. Uh, also thank you very much for 617 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:57,120 accommodating the schedule switchound. I 618 00:24:57,120 --> 00:25:02,080 appreciate it. Um so the FY25 audit is 619 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:06,720 complete um signed and the um federal 620 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:10,000 reporting is done and complete. At the 621 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:15,120 close of the 26 report uh we did 622 00:25:15,120 --> 00:25:19,200 do an analysis of where 25 ended up with 623 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,360 the fund balance as it relates to the 624 00:25:21,360 --> 00:25:24,960 general fund. So um I will comment that 625 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,480 there were no issues, no findings in the 626 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:34,240 FY25 audit. Uh and we have also begun um 627 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,799 preparation and internal control testing 628 00:25:36,799 --> 00:25:41,520 for the FY26 audit. Um so the auditors 629 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,840 will begin or have already been here to 630 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:47,360 do the co control testing for FY26 631 00:25:47,360 --> 00:25:49,600 and the field work will begin in 632 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,440 October. 633 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:55,120 Um so overall I think towards the end of 634 00:25:55,120 --> 00:25:59,039 this there's a uh chart that I did for 635 00:25:59,039 --> 00:26:03,039 the FY25 audit and projecting into FY26 636 00:26:03,039 --> 00:26:06,159 and I think that probably will explain 637 00:26:06,159 --> 00:26:08,240 uh maybe some open questions with fund 638 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,159 balances 639 00:26:10,159 --> 00:26:12,400 unless there are any specific questions 640 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,840 that someone has. 641 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:19,440 No, I think go ahead and I 642 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:24,960 >> Okay, so um we the June report is for 643 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,679 the full year. The 12 months ended June 644 00:26:27,679 --> 00:26:32,960 30th 26 and the year ended uh in a a 645 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,840 very positive place. We ended up with 646 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:40,640 our revenues uh at 108% of our budget 647 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:44,400 with our expenses at 105% of our budget. 648 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,840 Our total revenues ended at 27 million 649 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:51,279 with expenses at 26 million currently 650 00:26:51,279 --> 00:26:54,400 leaving a surplus um in the general fund 651 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,990 of $889,000. 652 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,600 That will be subject to change by minor 653 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,240 adjustments hopefully uh for acrruals 654 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,480 that are coming in between now and the 655 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,279 time of the audit. Um, so that's not a 656 00:27:09,279 --> 00:27:11,200 steadfast number that you'll see in the 657 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,240 FY26 audit, but it should be a very good 658 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,840 indication of where um, we will end up 659 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:22,159 in increasing the fund balance for FY26. 660 00:27:22,159 --> 00:27:25,120 We ended the year with cash balances of 661 00:27:25,120 --> 00:27:28,000 $17.8 million 662 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,440 um, and receivables of 1.9 million. And 663 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,679 you can see the breakdown again 664 00:27:33,679 --> 00:27:36,240 including the EMS receivable that we've 665 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,440 talked about several times and a another 666 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,240 large number with the local option tax. 667 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,120 So receivables and and the local option 668 00:27:45,120 --> 00:27:47,919 tax has been collected. And since we're 669 00:27:47,919 --> 00:27:49,840 already in September, we've gone through 670 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:57,350 the July and August receivables for EMS. 671 00:27:57,360 --> 00:28:02,640 The EMS revenue um of 1.2 2 million uh 672 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:06,240 was exceeded our approved budget by 673 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,080 362,000 674 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,559 which is pretty close to an average of 675 00:28:10,559 --> 00:28:13,440 what it's been trailing at all year and 676 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,600 what we expected. And again, the 677 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,760 receivable calculation that we check 678 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:21,520 every month is averaging still at 38% 679 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,120 which is what we're picking up for 680 00:28:23,120 --> 00:28:25,360 receivables. 681 00:28:25,360 --> 00:28:27,679 Not much change in the benefits, still 682 00:28:27,679 --> 00:28:30,399 79% of the budget. 683 00:28:30,399 --> 00:28:32,960 um health insurance coming in less than 684 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,039 what we expected being the biggest piece 685 00:28:35,039 --> 00:28:37,520 of that. And again with the risk 686 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:41,600 management those um did exceed in budget 687 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,880 what what we had budgeted um a lot of 688 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,799 that is uh just increases in what was 689 00:28:48,799 --> 00:28:51,440 added to the insurance. There were a lot 690 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,399 of items that we found um were not on 691 00:28:54,399 --> 00:28:57,200 the insurance and we um the finance 692 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,279 staff went through those very carefully 693 00:28:59,279 --> 00:29:02,080 to make sure that all of the items that 694 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,960 needed to be insured were included. Uh 695 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,840 and that is a continual um project that 696 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,399 the finance office continues to go so 697 00:29:10,399 --> 00:29:13,120 that if there is a loss within the town, 698 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,200 uh there's no surprises and everything's 699 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,880 covered such as fences and other items 700 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,679 that people may not have thought or were 701 00:29:21,679 --> 00:29:25,600 assumed were part of building insurance. 702 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,320 Um again, we highlighted the fire and 703 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,440 the police overtime. uh those all came 704 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,960 in in comparison to what was budgeted 705 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:38,240 when you take the actual salaries uh and 706 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,760 overtime. So those those were um what 707 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:43,679 we've discussed pretty much all year 708 00:29:43,679 --> 00:29:46,720 long in the utilities fund. The 709 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:50,080 cumulative re revenues came in at 108% 710 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,679 of budget and expenditures at 99% of 711 00:29:53,679 --> 00:29:56,159 budget leaving a surplus in the utility 712 00:29:56,159 --> 00:29:58,960 fund of 495,000. 713 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,799 And that's even after we've recorded uh 714 00:30:02,799 --> 00:30:06,320 depreciation of 2.7 million. 715 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,760 The parking fund revenues came in at 71% 716 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:13,120 of the annual budget expenditures at 717 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,720 120% of the uh annual budget with a 718 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:20,000 deficit of 497,000 719 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,279 of which um 289,000 720 00:30:23,279 --> 00:30:25,760 of that is depreciation. 721 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,799 And we also had loss on disposal of 722 00:30:28,799 --> 00:30:31,679 assets of 212,000. 723 00:30:31,679 --> 00:30:34,159 These weren't these were just um 724 00:30:34,159 --> 00:30:38,320 obsolete assets that we removed from the 725 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,669 system. 726 00:30:41,679 --> 00:30:44,960 The transfer uh report has not changed 727 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,360 and is the same that has been for the 728 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,159 last few months that we've talked about. 729 00:30:50,159 --> 00:30:52,399 The reserve balances for the fire and 730 00:30:52,399 --> 00:30:54,720 truck and fire truck and ambulance. 731 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:56,960 those are normally increasing currently 732 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:58,960 by just the interest earnings that we're 733 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,720 allocating to those reserve balances. 734 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,640 So I don't know if you've had a chance 735 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:08,559 to look at the schedule that I prepared 736 00:31:08,559 --> 00:31:12,240 that I believe is on yeah it follows the 737 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:16,080 last um written page here of the fund 738 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,799 balance that says FY25 final and 739 00:31:18,799 --> 00:31:21,360 projected FY26. 740 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,440 But you will see that I gave you a 741 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,559 detail of where we started in the 742 00:31:26,559 --> 00:31:30,240 unassigned fund balance at the 63024 743 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:34,320 audit, what the FY25 changes were and 744 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,760 where we ended up at the end of FY25. 745 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,720 This is very close to the figure that we 746 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,919 estimated back in February of 26, but 747 00:31:43,919 --> 00:31:47,200 this has a more granular breakdown of 748 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,000 what created that loss. And just to 749 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:51,919 summarize, 750 00:31:51,919 --> 00:31:56,320 we had uh funds that were voted on 751 00:31:56,320 --> 00:32:00,710 uh of $851,836 752 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,159 that were voted on by RTM 753 00:32:04,159 --> 00:32:06,559 um for public safety and waste 754 00:32:06,559 --> 00:32:08,080 management. 755 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,320 Again, because we were on the modified 756 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,960 or we are on the modified acrruel basis, 757 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,440 the difference in deferred taxes at the 758 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,440 end of the 60 days that we have to 759 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,399 record in our books is another um 760 00:32:20,399 --> 00:32:24,480 negative to our fund balance of 118,000. 761 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,679 And the remaining 536,000 762 00:32:27,679 --> 00:32:30,880 is made up of operational deficit with 763 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:35,120 the largest piece being uh the 764 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,000 deficiency in staff benefits and payroll 765 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,120 taxes that was calculated in the budget. 766 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,440 But I also did want to point out that 767 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:47,039 the EMS revenue exceeded budget by 768 00:32:47,039 --> 00:32:48,960 464,000 769 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,360 which helped minimize those operational 770 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,630 deficits. 771 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:58,720 So, that was where 25 ended up. And with 772 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,919 the 26 projections that we have, uh, 773 00:33:01,919 --> 00:33:05,200 we're looking at a $889,000 774 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,240 surplus, which can change by minor 775 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,480 amounts because of acred expenses that 776 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,960 may come in between now and the 1st of 777 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,919 October. We're anticipating that the 778 00:33:15,919 --> 00:33:18,320 fund balance undeid fund balance in the 779 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:26,630 general fund will increase to 1,36,000. 780 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,200 » Great. Thank you. 781 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,279 >> So that takes us through the audit and 782 00:33:31,279 --> 00:33:35,120 the the the endofear monthly report for 783 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,080 FY 26. 784 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,720 Um, let's stop there because that was a 785 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:44,080 lot of material and um, questions from 786 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,350 the board. 787 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,360 » Yep. Um, hi Bonnie. Thank you. 788 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:50,799 >> Hi. 789 00:33:50,799 --> 00:33:52,399 Uh 790 00:33:52,399 --> 00:33:55,039 this is probably my own confusion here, 791 00:33:55,039 --> 00:33:57,120 but in the in the memo that you just 792 00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,320 outlined, the FY25 final and projected 793 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,080 FY26, 794 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:06,320 um the listed net reductions of 536 795 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,119 for the operational deficit, um I was 796 00:34:09,119 --> 00:34:11,839 just confused because in the actual uh 797 00:34:11,839 --> 00:34:17,040 chart below that we have 761 798 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,520 listed as the deficiency for budget and 799 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:23,359 staff. benefits and payroll taxes. Um, 800 00:34:23,359 --> 00:34:26,639 so I just I hadn't seen how that nets 801 00:34:26,639 --> 00:34:29,119 out to 536. 802 00:34:29,119 --> 00:34:32,639 >> Um, so what I called out were the first 803 00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:35,599 two items were the two items voted on 804 00:34:35,599 --> 00:34:39,280 for RTM. The third item is the deferred 805 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,399 taxes and the remaining four items in 806 00:34:42,399 --> 00:34:44,480 the bottom which is the audit fee and 807 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,919 workers comp, the deficiency for staff 808 00:34:47,919 --> 00:34:51,919 benefits and taxes, the uh increase in 809 00:34:51,919 --> 00:34:55,679 EMS revenue and then the uh excess of 810 00:34:55,679 --> 00:34:58,079 overtime and other smaller items. The 811 00:34:58,079 --> 00:35:01,200 combination of those last four items 812 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:05,280 total the 500 for operational deficit. 813 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,760 Okay. Sorry, I had not included the 814 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,119 >> That's okay. 815 00:35:09,119 --> 00:35:12,160 >> I appreciate that. And then 816 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:13,680 um 817 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:19,520 I had been getting was relative to the EMS revenue that's listed in here. 818 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:23,760 Um is that 819 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,079 how much of that is is cash that's been 820 00:35:26,079 --> 00:35:28,079 collected relative to the receivable 821 00:35:28,079 --> 00:35:32,390 rate that we are working with? 822 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:36,240 » I can't answer that question. 823 00:35:36,240 --> 00:35:40,720 I I can't I mean it's that is 100% of 824 00:35:40,720 --> 00:35:44,640 the revenue for FY25 825 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:49,359 and it has been collected through 26 but 826 00:35:49,359 --> 00:35:51,440 that is revenue that is directly 827 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,920 associated with 828 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:55,520 25. 829 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,160 So I can't convert it to cash because 830 00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:02,320 it's on an acrruel basis. So I I'm sorry 831 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,880 >> receivable number 832 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:05,839 Okay. 833 00:36:05,839 --> 00:36:12,870 >> Yep. 834 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:16,470 Other questions 835 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:17,839 here. We'll we'll go through and come 836 00:36:17,839 --> 00:36:20,079 back. Peter, do you or do you have more 837 00:36:20,079 --> 00:36:21,920 questions now? 838 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:23,680 Okay. Peter, any questions? 839 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:24,720 >> No, I'm good. Thank you. 840 00:36:24,720 --> 00:36:27,520 >> Okay. I have a couple quick ones, I 841 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:28,880 hope. Thank you. That was a great 842 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,440 presentation. Um, 843 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,079 on the parking funds, 844 00:36:34,079 --> 00:36:35,920 200,000 on the loss of disposal of 845 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:40,480 assets. Is that purely like a write off 846 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,119 on the books or did we actually spend 847 00:36:43,119 --> 00:36:44,720 $212,000 848 00:36:44,720 --> 00:36:46,480 doing that? 849 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:50,480 >> No, it's a write off on the books. So um 850 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,880 each each department, the general fund, 851 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,599 utilities and parking has a set of 852 00:36:55,599 --> 00:36:58,320 assets uh that have accumulated since 853 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,400 the beginning of time. And there were 854 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,560 some items on there that were obsolete 855 00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,280 that either a building was uh destroyed 856 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,520 or determined obsolete and should no 857 00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,760 longer be in service. And once an asset 858 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,400 is should no longer be in service, we 859 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,040 need to write it off. So again this year 860 00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,760 the finance department has taken great 861 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:19,760 care to reach out to all the departments 862 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,720 and go over the fixed asset schedules to 863 00:37:22,720 --> 00:37:26,480 make sure that anything that is obsolete 864 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,440 uh or useless is taken off the schedule. 865 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,839 So it is a write off. 866 00:37:31,839 --> 00:37:34,240 >> Great. And then 867 00:37:34,240 --> 00:37:36,480 the only other question I had in the 868 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,800 audit when we see that unassigned fund 869 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,760 balance number the 470 something for 870 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:43,839 FY25 871 00:37:43,839 --> 00:37:47,040 that number to my understanding includes 872 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,520 receivables, right? 873 00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,160 >> Correct. 874 00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,640 >> Okay, that's all I had. Amanda? 875 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,200 >> Yeah. Thank you, Bonnie. Um, nice to see 876 00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,200 you. Thank you for being here tonight. 877 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,760 Um, I had a question about the deferred 878 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:03,440 property the ne the net change in 879 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,599 deferred property taxes. So, does this 880 00:38:05,599 --> 00:38:10,710 mean the net change from 2024? 881 00:38:10,720 --> 00:38:12,160 » I'm sorry, you kind of cut out. 882 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,000 >> Oh, does that mean the net change from 883 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,640 2024 to 2025? 884 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,240 >> Yep. 885 00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:21,359 >> Okay. Um, 886 00:38:21,359 --> 00:38:24,800 and uh do we know do we know or remember 887 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,440 what it was in 2024? 888 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:31,440 um from 2023 to 2024 is it an increase 889 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,079 in deferral or approximately the same? 890 00:38:34,079 --> 00:38:36,480 >> It's an it's an increase in deferral. 891 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:41,359 So, so basically what happens um is that 892 00:38:41,359 --> 00:38:45,200 we calculate uh receivables like you can 893 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,920 go back up to our receivable schedule on 894 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,640 the first page of the report of property 895 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:54,160 taxes that are due as of June 30th. 896 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,320 Because we're on a modified acrruel 897 00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,920 basis, we can only include in revenue 898 00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:02,800 what was collected in the first 60 days 899 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:06,079 of the new fiscal year. So on August 900 00:39:06,079 --> 00:39:09,040 31st, we run another report of 901 00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,280 outstanding receivables for property 902 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:15,760 taxes on August 31st for all periods 903 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,640 June 30th and before. And whatever that 904 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:22,480 number is, we defer it, which means we 905 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,200 reduce revenue 906 00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,040 >> because it's we can't include it in 907 00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:30,480 income. And so we do this every year and 908 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:33,680 the net change from one year to the next 909 00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,720 that's what that 118,000 is. So our 910 00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:38,720 deferred taxes 911 00:39:38,720 --> 00:39:40,720 for FY25 912 00:39:40,720 --> 00:39:43,040 are $118,000 913 00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:46,640 more than it was in 24. So we have that 914 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,680 much more of a reduction in revenue. 915 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,160 >> Okay. And then also just going back to 916 00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:55,440 another property tax question. So, in 917 00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,400 property, this is from the June. Are we 918 00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,880 Can we leap into the June report or 919 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:01,520 should we? 920 00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:03,440 >> Yes, I think Bonnie talked about both of 921 00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:03,760 those. 922 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:04,480 >> Flip between both. 923 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,800 >> Yeah, I think we'll have to. um for 924 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,200 property tax receivable, net of school 925 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,320 taxes. Um 926 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,040 I guess my question is um the interest 927 00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,400 receivable and the penalty receivables 928 00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,200 are those just the current year or are 929 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,040 some of those carryover from previous 930 00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:24,400 years? 931 00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,880 >> It it's cumulative. 932 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:27,280 >> Okay. 933 00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,680 >> So it's it is it's all years that are 934 00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:33,680 outstanding. Um that regards to interest 935 00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:35,200 and penalties. 936 00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:38,880 >> Correct. It it's in regards to property 937 00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,280 tax interest and penalties. It's 938 00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,359 cumulatively all years that are 939 00:40:43,359 --> 00:40:46,480 outstanding as of June 30th. 940 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,599 >> But those those line items are separate 941 00:40:49,599 --> 00:40:53,760 from the deferral. Totally different. 942 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:55,520 >> Correct. 943 00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,560 These are receivables. the A85, 944 00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,920 the 65,000, the 62,000, those are all 945 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:05,040 due to the town. And the deferral is 946 00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:08,240 just a the amount of receivables that 947 00:41:08,240 --> 00:41:10,480 are still outstanding in August that we 948 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,440 need to take out of income. 949 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,240 >> Got it. Thank you. 950 00:41:16,240 --> 00:41:16,960 >> Questions? 951 00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,359 >> No questions, just comments about town 952 00:41:19,359 --> 00:41:20,079 finances. 953 00:41:20,079 --> 00:41:23,119 >> Go for it. Well, first of all, just 954 00:41:23,119 --> 00:41:25,920 thank you, Bonnie, for all of the work 955 00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,000 that you've been doing both as our 956 00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,680 auditor and now for the last year. Is it 957 00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,800 as our um in this role that you've had, 958 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:36,960 this contract role with our finance 959 00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,520 department. um just really appreciate 960 00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,400 the financial management. You're helping 961 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:46,560 us modernize, helping us um improve our 962 00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:51,119 systems and I I am just really grateful 963 00:41:51,119 --> 00:41:53,440 for the fact that we've had monthly 964 00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,440 finance reports, the quarterly reports 965 00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,200 that you've prepared. It's just been 966 00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,599 great to have this expertise and your 967 00:41:59,599 --> 00:42:02,480 expertise in particular. I'm also really 968 00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,480 excited that we have Sarah Rose here. 969 00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,079 Um, it's awesome that we have somebody 970 00:42:06,079 --> 00:42:07,680 who's going to be in house as our 971 00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,160 finance director. This is something that 972 00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,240 folks across the political spectrum and 973 00:42:12,240 --> 00:42:16,480 Brattleboroough have been calling for a while. And I'm excited about that 974 00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,000 investment that we're making in our 975 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:19,760 town. I'm really grateful for the 976 00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,640 overlap between um as you start Sarah 977 00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,280 Rose and as you complete your service, 978 00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,240 Bonnie, to be able to have that handoff. 979 00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:30,880 Um, 980 00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:35,520 so backing up, I am, you know, there's a 981 00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,680 lot of concerns that we hear in our town 982 00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:40,800 about homelessness, about crime, about 983 00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,359 drugs, um, even parking, which I've been 984 00:42:43,359 --> 00:42:45,119 working on. 985 00:42:45,119 --> 00:42:46,960 But I continue to see that our town 986 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,920 finances are the key thing that's going 987 00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,319 that it's our the success of our town 988 00:42:52,319 --> 00:42:54,240 really depends on us being in good 989 00:42:54,240 --> 00:42:58,000 financial shape. And it I'm deeply 990 00:42:58,000 --> 00:42:59,920 concerned about that unassigned fund 991 00:42:59,920 --> 00:43:03,920 balance that has gotten so low. And it 992 00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:07,040 concerns me because there is a 993 00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:10,480 discrepancy between what we say what we 994 00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:12,480 say is our policy and what we've been 995 00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:16,240 doing. Because in November of 2012, the 996 00:43:16,240 --> 00:43:18,880 select board prede 997 00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:20,880 uh preceding select board said that our 998 00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:24,079 policy was that 10% of our operating 999 00:43:24,079 --> 00:43:26,400 annual operating budget would be in an 1000 00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:30,400 emergency reserve fund and in two years 1001 00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,119 ago that fund was depleted 1002 00:43:33,119 --> 00:43:34,880 significantly. Decisions that were made 1003 00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,119 by a preceding select board resulted in 1004 00:43:37,119 --> 00:43:39,359 the depletion significant depletion 1005 00:43:39,359 --> 00:43:40,800 along you know decisions that were 1006 00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,440 ratified by town meeting. But we've seen 1007 00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:47,040 that depleted and then a year and a half 1008 00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,280 ago our select board recommitted to that 1009 00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,400 10% and we're we're far from being 1010 00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,760 there. And so what I would like to see 1011 00:43:55,760 --> 00:44:01,200 is our narrow the gap between our uh 1012 00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:04,160 convictions and our commitments and to 1013 00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,640 actually walk the talk and get those 1014 00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:09,280 reserves back to where they need to be. 1015 00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,119 There's been there was an excellent 1016 00:44:11,119 --> 00:44:13,119 suggestion from our past finance 1017 00:44:13,119 --> 00:44:15,359 committee chair or our budget advisory 1018 00:44:15,359 --> 00:44:18,960 committee to have a separate fund for an 1019 00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,040 emergency reserve fund and not just be 1020 00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,680 our unassigned fund balance. Um I think 1021 00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:25,119 that's a great idea. There are other 1022 00:44:25,119 --> 00:44:27,359 ideas too about looking you know looking 1023 00:44:27,359 --> 00:44:29,599 five years ahead doing financial 1024 00:44:29,599 --> 00:44:32,400 planning that's real realistic robust 1025 00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,319 process looking five years ahead. So, I 1026 00:44:34,319 --> 00:44:35,920 think there's plenty of plenty of work 1027 00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:39,280 that's going to be on um ahead for our 1028 00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,599 finance department and our community, 1029 00:44:41,599 --> 00:44:43,520 but I really see that the the select 1030 00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:46,160 board has a leadership opportunity here. 1031 00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,560 And I would like to encourage our select 1032 00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:52,160 board to have a discussion. And I I've 1033 00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,800 been talking I know I brought this up 1034 00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:56,720 informally to you, Oscar, but I would 1035 00:44:56,720 --> 00:44:58,480 really like to see our select board have 1036 00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,359 a discussion that's focused on on 1037 00:45:01,359 --> 00:45:03,440 finances in a way that's taking a step 1038 00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:05,920 back a little bit and not just get it 1039 00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:08,079 not just line by line in each of these 1040 00:45:08,079 --> 00:45:09,599 reports. They're really good questions 1041 00:45:09,599 --> 00:45:11,440 that we're asking, but I think we need 1042 00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:13,359 to take a a broader look at our 1043 00:45:13,359 --> 00:45:15,280 finances. think about what are the 1044 00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:17,440 things that we want to put in place 1045 00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:19,839 before we get into the budgeting season. 1046 00:45:19,839 --> 00:45:21,839 What are the things in terms of our 1047 00:45:21,839 --> 00:45:23,760 those that reserve fund that was a great 1048 00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:25,839 suggestion that Millisent raised, but 1049 00:45:25,839 --> 00:45:27,680 she's raised it multiple times and we 1050 00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:29,680 haven't gotten back to her on that. What 1051 00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:31,599 are we actually doing to put ourselves 1052 00:45:31,599 --> 00:45:34,240 in really good shape so we have a strong 1053 00:45:34,240 --> 00:45:37,599 financial foundation that gives us the 1054 00:45:37,599 --> 00:45:39,280 capacity to do all the cool things that 1055 00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,200 we want to do as this community. Because 1056 00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:42,880 if we don't have that, if we don't have 1057 00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:44,640 those reserves, if we don't have that 1058 00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,119 strong financial health, and I'm not 1059 00:45:47,119 --> 00:45:49,200 talking just about cutting taxes, I'm 1060 00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:54,400 also talking about really like the the financial planning and the financial 1061 00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:58,160 um well-being of this town, then I think 1062 00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,720 we're at risk for for for problems down 1063 00:46:00,720 --> 00:46:03,200 the road. And so I'm looking at how how 1064 00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:04,880 can we as a board like we did that 1065 00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:06,720 really great work this this spring 1066 00:46:06,720 --> 00:46:08,400 coming together and coming up with what 1067 00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,800 are our priorities for this year? How 1068 00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:14,480 can we continue to um how can how can we 1069 00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,640 make good on the the policies that we've 1070 00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:20,240 set and and our folks up here up for 1071 00:46:20,240 --> 00:46:22,560 having having a retreat next month or 1072 00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,119 having a meeting that's focused 1073 00:46:25,119 --> 00:46:27,839 specifically on our town's financial 1074 00:46:27,839 --> 00:46:30,560 health? 1075 00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:33,200 >> Thank you, Isaac. Those are that's a 1076 00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:38,309 good question. Um 1077 00:46:38,319 --> 00:46:43,359 it's well I think do we want to consider 1078 00:46:43,359 --> 00:46:45,920 uh a longer more detailed finance 1079 00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,800 specific meeting or discussion 1080 00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:52,079 before budget season? Um 1081 00:46:52,079 --> 00:46:54,960 that's certainly up to the board. I'm 1082 00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:59,680 always game to talk about stuff. Um, 1083 00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:01,359 I don't know if this is a decision for 1084 00:47:01,359 --> 00:47:04,240 us to make in this exact moment and this 1085 00:47:04,240 --> 00:47:07,440 exact agenda item, but 1086 00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,160 if Yeah, I I'm I'm not sure. I'm happy 1087 00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,000 to 1088 00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,000 bring that to agenda setting and go 1089 00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,079 through that process. But if 1090 00:47:16,079 --> 00:47:19,680 >> since we're talking about um in point D 1091 00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:23,760 for the FY28 budget process, 1092 00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,079 >> um some of the proposed dates and 1093 00:47:26,079 --> 00:47:28,720 timelines there do include a retreat 1094 00:47:28,720 --> 00:47:31,119 that would be budget specific in 1095 00:47:31,119 --> 00:47:34,000 November. So maybe it would more 1096 00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,400 naturally come up then. I mean like in 1097 00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,000 terms of discussing if we wanted an 1098 00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:38,960 additional one. 1099 00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:40,240 >> I think that makes sense. 1100 00:47:40,240 --> 00:47:42,240 >> Okay. Is that all right? All right. 1101 00:47:42,240 --> 00:47:42,720 >> Thanks. 1102 00:47:42,720 --> 00:47:45,359 >> Um thank you. I do have one more 1103 00:47:45,359 --> 00:47:46,880 follow-up question. Bonnie, you just 1104 00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,040 tell me if this is wrong, but the way I 1105 00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:53,839 read the deferred property taxes line in 1106 00:47:53,839 --> 00:47:55,599 a very high level way is that it is 1107 00:47:55,599 --> 00:47:59,599 essentially good a good thing for 1108 00:47:59,599 --> 00:48:01,520 looking at the deficit. It is money that 1109 00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:03,760 we expect to get and are very likely to 1110 00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:05,839 get because we almost always in the end 1111 00:48:05,839 --> 00:48:07,839 collect all our property taxes. We 1112 00:48:07,839 --> 00:48:09,440 didn't get it in time to book it as 1113 00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:12,240 revenue, but at some point it will 1114 00:48:12,240 --> 00:48:16,240 arrive. So in that sense, the deficit is 1115 00:48:16,240 --> 00:48:18,160 $118,000 1116 00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,319 smaller than it looks in terms of where 1117 00:48:20,319 --> 00:48:22,160 we'll eventually end up and that's why 1118 00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,079 it's not included in the operational 1119 00:48:24,079 --> 00:48:26,160 deficit. Like this is money that we 1120 00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,400 don't think will actually fail to 1121 00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,200 collect. Is that broadly right? 1122 00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:34,160 >> It it you one way or the other you will 1123 00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,000 be able to collect it in the future. 1124 00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,160 Yes. 1125 00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,160 >> Okay. Thank you. 1126 00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:42,480 Let's hear from the public now because 1127 00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,640 it's a good breakpoint and then we'll 1128 00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:49,040 briefly do the same again after the FY27 1129 00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:50,640 budget update. But does anyone in the 1130 00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:54,160 public have a question about the FY25 1131 00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,720 audit or the FY26 1132 00:48:56,720 --> 00:48:59,440 monthly finance report? 1133 00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:05,190 Yes, Heidi. 1134 00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,720 Fishcher Brown just in the 26 1135 00:49:08,720 --> 00:49:11,119 report that she just went over it said 1136 00:49:11,119 --> 00:49:12,640 for the parking fund it says revenues 1137 00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:14,559 are 71% of the annual budget 1138 00:49:14,559 --> 00:49:16,640 expenditures are 100 to 20% of the 1139 00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:21,200 annual budget and gives the figures that represents. 1140 00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:22,960 That sounds like a big problem to me and 1141 00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,440 I haven't heard any discussion of it. So 1142 00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:28,400 I'm wondering what you're planning to 1143 00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:29,760 do. 1144 00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,800 >> That's a great question. Um, I think the 1145 00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:36,400 first line answer to that is that 1146 00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:40,240 none of that deficit is a cash deficit. 1147 00:49:40,240 --> 00:49:42,720 200,000 of it is a write-off on assets 1148 00:49:42,720 --> 00:49:45,040 we're taking off the books. 300,000 is 1149 00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,200 depreciation, which does matter. Those 1150 00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,040 are assets degrading that we're not 1151 00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:51,760 putting money aside for, but it's not a 1152 00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:53,599 cash loss. So, that's a partial answer. 1153 00:49:53,599 --> 00:49:54,720 And the other answer is that I think 1154 00:49:54,720 --> 00:49:56,880 everyone up here is has been concerned 1155 00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,440 about parking. I certainly don't have 1156 00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,880 any easy answers, but we're all thinking 1157 00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:05,839 about it. Um, yeah, Isaac. 1158 00:50:05,839 --> 00:50:07,200 >> Well, I've been thinking about and 1159 00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,599 talking about a lot. I would be 1160 00:50:09,599 --> 00:50:12,240 interested while we have Bonnie and 1161 00:50:12,240 --> 00:50:14,559 while we have our planning planning 1162 00:50:14,559 --> 00:50:16,640 director, if there are and department of 1163 00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:20,640 public work public works, if if you have 1164 00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:23,599 thoughts um and I understand that I'm 1165 00:50:23,599 --> 00:50:25,839 also this is you don't have to take the 1166 00:50:25,839 --> 00:50:27,920 invitation to be put on the spot here. 1167 00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:32,079 Um but thoughts about how we could move 1168 00:50:32,079 --> 00:50:34,800 towards a balanced budget for our 1169 00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:38,240 parking fund with and also remind us I 1170 00:50:38,240 --> 00:50:39,440 actually am very concerned about the 1171 00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:41,359 depreciation of assets and the fact that 1172 00:50:41,359 --> 00:50:43,920 we're basically putting off it's another 1173 00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,000 way that we're putting off um expenses 1174 00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,800 that are going to be down the road. Um 1175 00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:50,720 and I just don't think that's right to 1176 00:50:50,720 --> 00:50:52,800 be putting off to taxpayers in the 1177 00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:57,680 future um a much bigger bill. So, one of 1178 00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:01,040 the one of the the questions that I have 1179 00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:06,000 is um you know, what are are there 1180 00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:10,480 thoughts on ways to um increase? Oh, I'm 1181 00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:12,160 sorry. The train of thought is I know 1182 00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:14,800 part of the reason why we have this this 1183 00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:16,880 uh 1184 00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,520 deficit is because we're still in 1185 00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:21,200 startup mode with this new system. 1186 00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:22,800 That's what's been the explanation that 1187 00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,680 I've heard is that right that we're 1188 00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:27,520 adapting I'm gonna say that a full 1189 00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:29,680 discussion of the parking system is not 1190 00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,800 germanine to this month's financial 1191 00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,520 report. It's I see the relationship, but 1192 00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:37,359 that conversation would take us far and 1193 00:51:37,359 --> 00:51:38,800 wide from the actual agenda. 1194 00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:40,480 >> Good point. 1195 00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:42,400 >> Um 1196 00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,119 but in terms of the finance part, do you 1197 00:51:45,119 --> 00:51:45,920 >> I agree with you. 1198 00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,480 >> The point is partly it's like we're 1199 00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:50,079 we've implemented a new system. The town 1200 00:51:50,079 --> 00:51:51,440 of Broadway has implemented a new 1201 00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:53,839 system. there are growing pains and 1202 00:51:53,839 --> 00:51:55,440 hope, you know, hopefully we'll see 1203 00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:57,680 something better, but hope isn't 1204 00:51:57,680 --> 00:51:59,440 something that I want to bank on and I'd 1205 00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:01,200 like to us to have a more robust 1206 00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:03,119 conversation at some point down the road 1207 00:52:03,119 --> 00:52:06,079 about um how we can have a sustainable 1208 00:52:06,079 --> 00:52:08,000 parking system. It's financially 1209 00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:10,079 sustainable. So maybe it's a an agenda 1210 00:52:10,079 --> 00:52:11,599 item for 1211 00:52:11,599 --> 00:52:12,720 >> I think that makes sense. 1212 00:52:12,720 --> 00:52:13,200 >> Exactly. 1213 00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:15,280 >> And John, were you that was your 1214 00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:16,240 >> Yeah, basically 1215 00:52:16,240 --> 00:52:18,319 >> another a Yeah, something that's more 1216 00:52:18,319 --> 00:52:20,559 policy related. This is number 1217 00:52:20,559 --> 00:52:22,319 >> reporting. Sure. 1218 00:52:22,319 --> 00:52:23,200 >> I'm making a note. 1219 00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:28,240 >> I I I want you to know that that that concern is heard and I think 1220 00:52:28,240 --> 00:52:30,160 something that we need to address. 1221 00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:33,839 >> Thank you. Um other questions on the 1222 00:52:33,839 --> 00:52:36,800 June FY26 1223 00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:41,680 finance report and or the 25 audit? 1224 00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:48,230 Dick. Yes. 1225 00:52:48,240 --> 00:52:50,480 My recommendation about the parking fund 1226 00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:51,200 is for us 1227 00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:52,880 >> you say your name. We all know Dick Deg 1228 00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,359 Grrey. Actually, my recommendation for 1229 00:52:55,359 --> 00:52:59,440 that parking fund actually is to uh 1230 00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:03,200 lease it or sell it and have us get out 1231 00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:06,160 of the parking system altogether and 1232 00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:08,000 certainly not have the town take this 1233 00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:12,559 over. uh because in the last 10 years my 1234 00:53:12,559 --> 00:53:15,200 uh feeling is that this fund has been 1235 00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:17,200 this enterprise fund has been 1236 00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:20,559 drastically mismanaged but I'll take 1237 00:53:20,559 --> 00:53:23,359 that up when we discuss this 1238 00:53:23,359 --> 00:53:25,599 a question for the acrruel basis Bonnie 1239 00:53:25,599 --> 00:53:27,440 and and I want to thank you for your 1240 00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:30,079 service to the town uh and filling in 1241 00:53:30,079 --> 00:53:32,960 for us and I I do appreciate that the 1242 00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:37,040 acral basis with the EMS money is that 1243 00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:41,040 money that has been set to collections 1244 00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:44,480 and I know I believe you get to count it 1245 00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:49,359 but there is a cost for what the 1246 00:53:49,359 --> 00:53:52,000 collection people if they do collect 1247 00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,720 money they get a certain percentage of 1248 00:53:54,720 --> 00:54:02,000 it. So how would we get to count all the bills that have been uncollected 1249 00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:03,680 even though we get to count them? That's 1250 00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:08,400 question one. And just clarify for me 1251 00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:12,000 with these uh under the unassigned uh 1252 00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:15,680 fund balance all the notes are they part 1253 00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:18,720 of the unassigned fund balance that 1254 00:54:18,720 --> 00:54:22,800 money was spent uh when you talk about 1255 00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:27,520 uh overtime in excess of uh budget with 1256 00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:30,400 other offsets. That's just the example. 1257 00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:32,480 if money was money taken from the 1258 00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:35,040 unassigned fund balance and I would have 1259 00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:38,640 a follow-up question after you give that 1260 00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:40,480 answer. Thank you. 1261 00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:42,319 >> All right. So, Bonnie, we have two two 1262 00:54:42,319 --> 00:54:45,200 questions from Dick. One is whether the 1263 00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:47,440 receivables for EMS does that refer to 1264 00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:50,720 money that's in collections? 1265 00:54:50,720 --> 00:54:53,280 >> No, it does not. 1266 00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:55,520 So the receivable for EMS is outstanding 1267 00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:58,880 bills to which we apply a 38% 1268 00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:00,640 expected rate of return. 1269 00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:03,680 >> Right? So we we get a report every 1270 00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:06,960 single month of 100% of the EMS 1271 00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,920 receivables that are outstanding. Um and 1272 00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:13,680 based again on when EMS started with all 1273 00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:17,520 of the studies they anticipated that 38% 1274 00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:19,760 38 cents of every dollar would be 1275 00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:23,440 collected or collectible by the town. So 1276 00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:25,680 we have followed that and I have tracked 1277 00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:31,440 that mathematically to make sure that is what we are collecting. Our 1278 00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:35,839 average is 38% or higher. So we take 38% 1279 00:55:35,839 --> 00:55:39,040 of 100% of the receivables and that's 1280 00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:42,240 what we book. So it is absolutely not in 1281 00:55:42,240 --> 00:55:45,599 collections because it's only at 38% of 1282 00:55:45,599 --> 00:55:47,520 the total. 1283 00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:49,920 >> Thanks Bonnie. And the second question 1284 00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:51,760 spend from unassigned fund balance. You 1285 00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:53,920 tell me if this is right Bonnie but 1286 00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:55,760 whenever we spend money it is coming out 1287 00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:58,480 of fund balance. It is not a fund that 1288 00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:01,280 we deplete. Um extra revenue that we get 1289 00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:03,440 goes into it. extra money we spend comes 1290 00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:05,680 out of it. So essentially we spent in 1291 00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:08,400 deficit whatever this total amount is 1292 00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:10,799 and when I say we I mean the town in 1293 00:56:10,799 --> 00:56:14,799 FY25. Um some of those expenses were 1294 00:56:14,799 --> 00:56:16,480 planned and decided by the select board 1295 00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:18,480 at that time and ratified by RTM. Some 1296 00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:20,000 were operational things going over 1297 00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:21,839 budget. So that's what the breakdown is. 1298 00:56:21,839 --> 00:56:22,640 So EMS 1299 00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:23,680 >> correct 1300 00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:26,160 >> over brings the deficit back closer to 1301 00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:28,559 zero. Overtime being high brings it down 1302 00:56:28,559 --> 00:56:31,119 again. Yes. a followup. Is is that 1303 00:56:31,119 --> 00:56:32,240 right, Bonnie? 1304 00:56:32,240 --> 00:56:35,200 >> That's correct. Yep. 1305 00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:37,200 >> So, my understanding of the unassigned 1306 00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:40,400 fund balance is after we do the audit, 1307 00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:46,000 it's any revenues that were uh remaining 1308 00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:47,839 would go into the unassigned fund 1309 00:56:47,839 --> 00:56:50,559 balance just like we can't spend 1310 00:56:50,559 --> 00:56:53,839 restricted money. And until there's an 1311 00:56:53,839 --> 00:56:58,480 audit, then any revenues, which you're 1312 00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:00,799 talking about EMS, that revenue would go 1313 00:57:00,799 --> 00:57:04,160 in. I don't know how you get to spend 1314 00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:07,040 money out of the unassigned fund balance 1315 00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:09,920 that's not approved by the select board 1316 00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:13,280 and then approved by which was RTM, 1317 00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:15,599 which would now be OTM. That's what I'm 1318 00:57:15,599 --> 00:57:18,240 looking for clarification on. You don't 1319 00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:22,799 just the board or the administration 1320 00:57:22,799 --> 00:57:24,720 doesn't get to spend money out of the 1321 00:57:24,720 --> 00:57:27,440 unassigned fund balance without board 1322 00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:28,960 approval. 1323 00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:31,839 Uh and then it has to go if like they 1324 00:57:31,839 --> 00:57:34,960 did a few years ago with with the police 1325 00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:38,720 uh the addition of the uh emergency 1326 00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:41,520 hires for the police department. Then it 1327 00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:44,960 had to be ratified by uh RTM now which 1328 00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:46,960 would be OTM. That's what I'm looking 1329 00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:48,559 for clarification on. 1330 00:57:48,559 --> 00:57:50,400 >> All right. Well, I'll start and somebody 1331 00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:53,520 else can, John or Bonnie, when I start 1332 00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:56,799 messing it up. But the town is 1333 00:57:56,799 --> 00:57:58,720 constantly spending money. The town is 1334 00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:00,960 paying payroll. The town is paying 1335 00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:03,520 health insurance. We get reports every 1336 00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:06,319 month that say health um overtime is way 1337 00:58:06,319 --> 00:58:08,160 high. That means we've been spending 1338 00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:10,640 that money on overtime more than we 1339 00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:13,920 budgeted the whole year. everything, all 1340 00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:16,160 those expenditures are just as coming 1341 00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:17,760 out of fund balance as anything else. 1342 00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:19,920 This these aren't capital expenses that 1343 00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:21,359 would go to a town meeting. These are 1344 00:58:21,359 --> 00:58:23,200 budgets running over and running a 1345 00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:27,520 deficit. That is my summary. Um but I'm 1346 00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:30,880 open to corrections. 1347 00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:33,599 >> No, you're correct. And just um you 1348 00:58:33,599 --> 00:58:36,880 know, just be careful on the wording of 1349 00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:39,359 you you know spending fund balance. Fund 1350 00:58:39,359 --> 00:58:42,640 balance is a is a number that stays the 1351 00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:45,520 same throughout the year. And when you 1352 00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:48,400 close a year, the net result of that 1353 00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:51,839 year, the revenue less expenses 1354 00:58:51,839 --> 00:58:54,559 either increases or decreases the fund 1355 00:58:54,559 --> 00:58:57,200 balance for the next fiscal year. So 1356 00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:00,000 FY24 fund balance stayed that number 1357 00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,720 until we closed FY25. 1358 00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:05,760 for a deficit and that 1359 00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:08,079 reduced the fund balance that we started 1360 00:59:08,079 --> 00:59:11,920 FY26 with and that fund balance stayed 1361 00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:15,680 consistent throughout FY26 1362 00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:17,359 >> even as the money in the bank account 1363 00:59:17,359 --> 00:59:20,240 fluctuates wildly all the time as taxes 1364 00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:22,880 come in and spending goes out. 1365 00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:24,480 >> Correct. 1366 00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:27,119 >> Um okay, I'm going to go to Randy and 1367 00:59:27,119 --> 00:59:28,799 then come back to the board because we 1368 00:59:28,799 --> 00:59:30,960 do have other guests waiting for other 1369 00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:34,630 agenda items. 1370 00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:44,150 Randy, can you hear us? 1371 00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:48,470 Randy, are you there? 1372 00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:51,200 » All right. Well, we Oh, hey, great. We 1373 00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:52,000 hear you. 1374 00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:54,480 >> The one thing I think and and and if 1375 00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:56,960 Bonnie disagrees, um, please let me 1376 00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:58,720 know. But I mean, people have to 1377 00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:00,559 understand that the monies we're talking 1378 01:00:00,559 --> 01:00:05,829 about on a daily, monthly, yearly basis. 1379 01:00:05,839 --> 01:00:07,839 You still can't hear me? 1380 01:00:07,839 --> 01:00:09,760 >> Not you. Keep going. 1381 01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:11,599 >> Okay. You know, it's the same as 1382 01:00:11,599 --> 01:00:14,720 anybody's checkbook. It, like you said, 1383 01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:16,480 it varies minute to minute, day to day, 1384 01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:19,119 year to, you know, month to month. And 1385 01:00:19,119 --> 01:00:21,520 that's why we've talked in in other 1386 01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:24,640 meetings and in private about creating a 1387 01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:28,640 emergency fund with some amount of money 1388 01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:31,520 and then also leaving this unassigned 1389 01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:33,520 fund at the end of the year as Bonnie 1390 01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:36,319 said where until it's audited and we 1391 01:00:36,319 --> 01:00:38,319 know what we have left we can't call it 1392 01:00:38,319 --> 01:00:40,640 really the unassigned fund because the 1393 01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:43,040 number fluctuates so much and I think 1394 01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:45,359 everybody gets 1395 01:00:45,359 --> 01:00:47,359 mistaken or confused when we keep 1396 01:00:47,359 --> 01:00:49,520 calling it that versus it's it's 1397 01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:52,640 essentially the town's cash balance. 1398 01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:55,839 And um maybe we can educate and talk 1399 01:00:55,839 --> 01:00:58,480 about it like that so that it's easier 1400 01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:03,670 for people to understand. 1401 01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:07,270 Thanks, Randy. 1402 01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:08,960 » Okay, I'd like to move ahead. The clock 1403 01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:11,359 on the wall is running slow, so we're 1404 01:01:11,359 --> 01:01:13,280 actually at more like 7:15. 1405 01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:14,319 >> Yeah, it's 7:18. 1406 01:01:14,319 --> 01:01:15,920 >> Yeah. So, 1407 01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:17,440 >> I did have one 1408 01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:18,640 >> one question from Nell and then we're 1409 01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:21,839 going to move on to the FY27 update. 1410 01:01:21,839 --> 01:01:23,680 Just the way that I understood Dick's 1411 01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:25,920 question about EMS 1412 01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:29,119 um relative to the explanation Bonnie 1413 01:01:29,119 --> 01:01:30,960 gave was that if the the booked 1414 01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:35,280 receivables are 38% of the 100% of 1415 01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:37,760 receivables that have been reported on 1416 01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:40,480 that doesn't necessarily 1417 01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:44,240 mean that some of those 100% bills that 1418 01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:46,160 are you know accounted counted at only 1419 01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:48,160 38% 1420 01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:50,799 have not gone unpaid 1421 01:01:50,799 --> 01:01:52,880 and not been unpaid so long such that 1422 01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:55,119 they've been sent to collections. 1423 01:01:55,119 --> 01:01:57,760 >> I think the only reason that is unlikely 1424 01:01:57,760 --> 01:01:59,680 to happen is because 1425 01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:01,359 >> I don't remember what the timeline limit 1426 01:02:01,359 --> 01:02:04,160 is for collections. Is it 300 and 300 1427 01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:05,040 days? 1428 01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:06,960 >> Uh I don't recall. 1429 01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:09,040 >> So only bills from the very beginning of 1430 01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:10,720 the year would even have the time to 1431 01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:12,400 have been sent to collections. So it's 1432 01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:14,319 probably relatively uncommon. 1433 01:02:14,319 --> 01:02:16,160 >> I had 270 in my head, but yeah. 1434 01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:17,040 >> Okay. 1435 01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:19,839 >> Oh, that could be. Yeah. 1436 01:02:19,839 --> 01:02:23,040 >> Okay. Well, I'd like to move on if 1437 01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:25,200 there's no objection. Are we saying 1438 01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:28,559 goodbye to Bonnie for the final item? 1439 01:02:28,559 --> 01:02:30,559 >> I think so. Thank you, Bonnie. Thank you 1440 01:02:30,559 --> 01:02:32,319 very much. 1441 01:02:32,319 --> 01:02:32,799 >> Good luck. 1442 01:02:32,799 --> 01:02:33,280 >> You're welcome. 1443 01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:34,000 >> Good luck with our 1444 01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:34,640 >> Thank you, Bonnie. 1445 01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:35,680 Appreciate it. 1446 01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:36,640 >> Thank you. 1447 01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:37,680 >> Byebye. 1448 01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:40,480 >> Okay, Sarah Rose, welcome. Um, is this 1449 01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:43,200 your first time at the table in a select 1450 01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:43,839 board meeting? 1451 01:02:43,839 --> 01:02:45,520 >> Yes, it is. 1452 01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:46,480 >> Welcome. 1453 01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:47,040 >> Thank you. 1454 01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:51,040 >> It's pretty scary. Um, 1455 01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:53,280 but I'll be in there with you swinging. 1456 01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:59,119 So, um, okay. So, we have a 1457 01:02:59,119 --> 01:03:03,839 memo for the one month ended July 2026 1458 01:03:03,839 --> 01:03:05,680 of FY27 1459 01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:08,400 and then the the booklet of actuals and 1460 01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:09,440 etc. So, 1461 01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:11,119 >> I'm going to turn it over to you to take 1462 01:03:11,119 --> 01:03:14,480 us through the high level of the memo. 1463 01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:15,119 >> Yep. 1464 01:03:15,119 --> 01:03:16,960 >> And, um, go from there. 1465 01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:20,079 >> Great. Thank you very much. Um, so this 1466 01:03:20,079 --> 01:03:23,440 is just for the first year of fiscal 1467 01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:28,400 year 27. Um, so just through July. Um, 1468 01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:31,920 and it is unaudited as FY26 is still 1469 01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:35,760 unawited. Um, so uh just keep that in 1470 01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:38,400 mind as numbers wiggle a little bit over 1471 01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:41,359 time. Um, cumulative revenues for the 1472 01:03:41,359 --> 01:03:44,960 first month represent 79% of the annual 1473 01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:48,880 budget. If we annualize that um it goes 1474 01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:51,680 down to two million which is 8% of the 1475 01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:55,520 annual budget. So um total expenses for 1476 01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:57,359 the first month of the year are 2 1477 01:03:57,359 --> 01:03:59,119 million8. 1478 01:03:59,119 --> 01:04:00,799 Um 1479 01:04:00,799 --> 01:04:04,480 also on target at about 10%. 1480 01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:06,960 Um so 1481 01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:09,520 the actual numbers are total revenues at 1482 01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:12,079 21 million and total expenses at 2.8 1483 01:04:12,079 --> 01:04:15,280 million. The cash balances as of July 1484 01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:17,839 31st in the general fund total 16 1485 01:04:17,839 --> 01:04:19,760 million. 1486 01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:23,599 So revenue does include receivables. Um 1487 01:04:23,599 --> 01:04:26,079 you can see the chart 1488 01:04:26,079 --> 01:04:28,160 down there. There's general receivables. 1489 01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:30,799 EMS we just went over at 38%. It is 1490 01:04:30,799 --> 01:04:34,400 still holding strong at 38%. Um property 1491 01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:37,920 tax receivables net of school taxes. Um 1492 01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:40,799 and that all totals at 20 million. 1493 01:04:40,799 --> 01:04:42,960 Should I keep going? 1494 01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:44,960 >> Yeah, just take us through the second 1495 01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:48,160 page and then we'll questions. Okay. 1496 01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:50,400 >> All right. Utilities fund. Utilities 1497 01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:52,799 fund cumulative revenue raise represent 1498 01:04:52,799 --> 01:04:55,280 1% of the annual budget. We do acrew 1499 01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:57,119 monthly revenue and reconcile with 1500 01:04:57,119 --> 01:04:59,119 actual billing when completed on a 1501 01:04:59,119 --> 01:05:00,960 quarterly basis. So we haven't done that 1502 01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:02,799 quarterly reconciliation yet. 1503 01:05:02,799 --> 01:05:05,520 Expenditures represent 5% of the annual 1504 01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:08,559 budget. Total revenues are 92,000 and 1505 01:05:08,559 --> 01:05:11,680 total expenses are 370,000. 1506 01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:13,920 The parking fund revenues are at 8% of 1507 01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:15,760 the annual budget and expenditures are 1508 01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:18,640 at 6% of the annual budget. That's 1509 01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:22,079 84,000 of revenue and 66,000 of 1510 01:05:22,079 --> 01:05:24,000 expenses. So, we have a surplus of 1511 01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:26,079 18,000 in the parking re uh parking 1512 01:05:26,079 --> 01:05:29,109 fund. 1513 01:05:29,119 --> 01:05:30,319 » I said that really fast. 1514 01:05:30,319 --> 01:05:32,160 >> No, that's great. And then I think the 1515 01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:33,920 last couple bits are just referring to 1516 01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:35,200 pages 1517 01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:36,400 >> to different reports. 1518 01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:38,319 >> So there's the loan report and the grant 1519 01:05:38,319 --> 01:05:40,559 report and the transfer report which we 1520 01:05:40,559 --> 01:05:42,240 haven't really done transfers yet this 1521 01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:43,680 year. Um but I will give you a little 1522 01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:45,839 bit of accounting context which is that 1523 01:05:45,839 --> 01:05:48,960 because we haven't finished the FY26 1524 01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:50,640 audit. 1525 01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:52,240 There are still numbers that are moving 1526 01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:54,240 around a little bit. So we should just 1527 01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:55,680 remember that when you're looking at 1528 01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:58,480 these beginning numbers for the year. 1529 01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:00,480 >> Great. Thank you. All right. Members of 1530 01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:03,359 the board, any questions for the July 1531 01:06:03,359 --> 01:06:07,349 monthly report? 1532 01:06:07,359 --> 01:06:09,680 Not seeing any members of the public. 1533 01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:17,359 Dick the Gray. 1534 01:06:17,359 --> 01:06:22,079 Uh I know this is only one month but a 1535 01:06:22,079 --> 01:06:27,680 real flashing light uh on page 106 1536 01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:32,720 in terms of revenue uh refuge bags 1537 01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:35,280 uh 1538 01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:43,910 we are looking to collect $44265 1539 01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:48,559 and we collected $157. $7. That's a 1540 01:06:48,559 --> 01:06:53,440 scary number to think that uh uh we're 1541 01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:58,079 going to reach that uh that number. 1542 01:06:58,079 --> 01:06:59,920 >> Uh I would have thought that that number 1543 01:06:59,920 --> 01:07:02,240 would have been significantly higher at 1544 01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:04,960 least for one month of sales. Although 1545 01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:07,119 one one might have said that people 1546 01:07:07,119 --> 01:07:10,240 pre-bought bags uh from the end of the 1547 01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:13,119 year last year, but that's a real 1548 01:07:13,119 --> 01:07:15,920 concerning number that I have early on. 1549 01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:17,280 >> Yeah. I mean, that's good to call out. 1550 01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:20,319 That number is so low that I'm I'm happy 1551 01:07:20,319 --> 01:07:22,720 to ask Dan or John, but it can't be 1552 01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:25,359 real. It has to be that we haven't 1553 01:07:25,359 --> 01:07:28,079 received payment from the vendor or 1554 01:07:28,079 --> 01:07:29,119 something like that. 1555 01:07:29,119 --> 01:07:30,799 >> I'm making that up, but heads are 1556 01:07:30,799 --> 01:07:32,400 nodding. So my gosh. Yeah. 1557 01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:34,559 >> I'm I don't remember it being in the 1558 01:07:34,559 --> 01:07:38,319 $400,000. Is it Could it be a just a a 1559 01:07:38,319 --> 01:07:40,880 technical error or a clerical error 1560 01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:42,960 >> that it No, that I think that was about 1561 01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:45,920 $400 or $500,000 of revenue for the 1562 01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:47,119 whole year. 1563 01:07:47,119 --> 01:07:47,440 >> Okay. 1564 01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:48,559 >> Right. I I'm not sure. 1565 01:07:48,559 --> 01:07:50,079 >> I'm remembering in the 40 I'm 1566 01:07:50,079 --> 01:07:51,680 remembering in the 40s, but 1567 01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:56,480 >> we can look in the previous year's 1568 01:07:56,480 --> 01:08:00,160 finance report actually. 1569 01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:01,839 for 1570 01:08:01,839 --> 01:08:04,559 somewhere. But um I'm I'm sure it's 1571 01:08:04,559 --> 01:08:06,000 something like that, Dick. If it's not, 1572 01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:09,760 next month we'll know for sure. 1573 01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:11,359 And we've been on the new prices in the 1574 01:08:11,359 --> 01:08:14,640 new system for a little while. So it's 1575 01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:16,319 if people had been hoarding bags, they 1576 01:08:16,319 --> 01:08:19,679 would have been using those for months. 1577 01:08:19,679 --> 01:08:24,309 Other questions from the public? 1578 01:08:24,319 --> 01:08:26,640 Seeing none. Unless Are you still 1579 01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:27,440 looking for 1580 01:08:27,440 --> 01:08:33,189 >> John's looking? 1581 01:08:33,199 --> 01:08:36,080 I'll help. 1582 01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:38,239 >> Yeah, there is something odd in there. 1583 01:08:38,239 --> 01:08:38,719 Um 1584 01:08:38,719 --> 01:08:40,799 >> I think it's an added there's an 1585 01:08:40,799 --> 01:08:43,600 >> No, it's not in the open gov from the 1586 01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:46,719 budget page of the website. The FY27 1587 01:08:46,719 --> 01:08:49,520 select board budget has refuse bag 1588 01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:53,110 revenue at $442,000. 1589 01:08:53,120 --> 01:08:54,239 Okay. 1590 01:08:54,239 --> 01:09:00,799 And in FY26 it was 309. FY25 305 FY24 1591 01:09:00,799 --> 01:09:02,239 370. 1592 01:09:02,239 --> 01:09:03,040 >> And that jumps 1593 01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:04,159 >> I'm sorry 270. My bad. 1594 01:09:04,159 --> 01:09:05,759 >> Mostly because of the increase in 1595 01:09:05,759 --> 01:09:08,239 prices. 1596 01:09:08,239 --> 01:09:12,480 Okay. Any other questions for on the 1597 01:09:12,480 --> 01:09:16,719 July finance report? Not seeing any. Uh 1598 01:09:16,719 --> 01:09:18,239 we already thanked Bonnie and I think 1599 01:09:18,239 --> 01:09:19,920 she left. So Sarah Rose, thank you very 1600 01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:22,640 much. We will be seeing you again in the 1601 01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:24,159 future and we're looking forward to it. 1602 01:09:24,159 --> 01:09:24,480 >> Okay. 1603 01:09:24,480 --> 01:09:25,199 >> So, thank you. 1604 01:09:25,199 --> 01:09:26,159 >> Well done. Thank you. 1605 01:09:26,159 --> 01:09:27,679 >> Thank you. 1606 01:09:27,679 --> 01:09:31,839 >> Okay. Found it. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. 1607 01:09:31,839 --> 01:09:35,520 Okay. Moving right along. Putney Road 1608 01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:37,839 Reconstruction Project. We have our 1609 01:09:37,839 --> 01:09:41,120 guests from VR. 1610 01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:42,960 Uh yes, you're all welcome to the table. 1611 01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:44,880 Do we have another chair? 1612 01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:45,920 >> I'm actually going to stay here. 1613 01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:47,520 >> You're going to stay there. Okay. 1614 01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:49,040 >> So, Bruce and Dennis, right? 1615 01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:49,199 >> Yes. 1616 01:09:49,199 --> 01:09:50,000 >> You good? Okay, 1617 01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:52,799 >> welcome and Joe. 1618 01:09:52,799 --> 01:09:54,719 All right. Well, welcome. We have your 1619 01:09:54,719 --> 01:09:56,719 presentation. 1620 01:09:56,719 --> 01:09:58,000 It was included with the backup 1621 01:09:58,000 --> 01:09:59,840 materials online as a supplement, but 1622 01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:02,400 it's this packet. Seth has the 1623 01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:04,880 presentation in the room. And uh we'll 1624 01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:05,760 turn it over to you guys. 1625 01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:07,040 >> All right. Well, thank you all. Um so 1626 01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:08,880 I'm Bruce Martin with the Vermont Agency 1627 01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:10,239 of Transportation here with Dennis 1628 01:10:10,239 --> 01:10:13,760 Verdivv who is a Lochner and Egress 1629 01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:15,440 Group. Is that it? Their name name has 1630 01:10:15,440 --> 01:10:17,360 changed recently so I a little confused 1631 01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:19,199 with it myself. um formerly Green 1632 01:10:19,199 --> 01:10:22,080 International. Um Dennis has been 1633 01:10:22,080 --> 01:10:24,719 working on this project for sorry to say 1634 01:10:24,719 --> 01:10:26,080 10 years. So I'm going to let him do a 1635 01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:30,960 lot of the talking. But um really what this came down to is I believe 1636 01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:33,199 around July of last year, June or July 1637 01:10:33,199 --> 01:10:35,920 of last year, our chief engineers office 1638 01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:37,440 came down, met with the town about this 1639 01:10:37,440 --> 01:10:39,280 project because this project was was 1640 01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:40,880 significant. I mean, we were proposing 1641 01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:43,920 the original Putney Road project was 1642 01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:46,080 adding four additional roundabouts, 1643 01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:49,120 which I'm sure many of aware of, and the 1644 01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:52,320 center median, and it was a significant 1645 01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:54,880 undertaking and a significant cost. So, 1646 01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:56,719 the chief engineers office came down to 1647 01:10:56,719 --> 01:10:58,880 speak with others to see what we could 1648 01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:01,840 do and entertain a scope change that 1649 01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:04,480 could meet the town's needs and goals as 1650 01:11:04,480 --> 01:11:08,080 well as achieving our goals. um with you 1651 01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:10,000 know signalized intersections, 1652 01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:12,239 pedestrian um infrastructure which 1653 01:11:12,239 --> 01:11:13,840 currently does not exist which we are do 1654 01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:16,239 want to move forward with. So around the 1655 01:11:16,239 --> 01:11:18,320 same time my predecessor Ken Mallal was 1656 01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:19,440 the one who had been working on this 1657 01:11:19,440 --> 01:11:21,040 project for years and years and years. 1658 01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:23,520 He was retiring. So when they came in to 1659 01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:25,520 say let's do a scope change he was 1660 01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:27,840 retiring and it came to me. So I'm kind 1661 01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:29,600 of the new face that has to show you 1662 01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:31,600 this massive boulevard is now going away 1663 01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:33,600 and this is kind of what we are looking 1664 01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:35,520 forward to moving forward in the future. 1665 01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:37,360 just to kind of a scale it down but 1666 01:11:37,360 --> 01:11:39,440 still meet all the goals for us and the 1667 01:11:39,440 --> 01:11:42,239 town itself. Um, so we began with a 1668 01:11:42,239 --> 01:11:45,360 conceptual design and in January we met 1669 01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:47,120 with me members of the town and had a 1670 01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:48,880 follow-up meeting with Representative 1671 01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:51,760 Burke and Senator Harrison to get their 1672 01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:53,840 kind of input on on what we were doing 1673 01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:55,440 at that time, what we're showing for 1674 01:11:55,440 --> 01:11:57,040 that conceptual level and then went back 1675 01:11:57,040 --> 01:11:59,920 and did make some revisions to that to 1676 01:11:59,920 --> 01:12:02,320 try to meet what they were looking for, 1677 01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:04,640 you know, for the town itself and um any 1678 01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:07,199 improvements that we could could do to 1679 01:12:07,199 --> 01:12:09,679 better meet your goals, our goals and 1680 01:12:09,679 --> 01:12:11,360 move project forward, but just not at 1681 01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:14,800 the huge magnitude that it was. Um, so 1682 01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:16,320 that's that's what we're here to present 1683 01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:18,080 is just this conceptual level design. I 1684 01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:19,520 do want to say this is conceptual level, 1685 01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:21,360 but we have actually put quite a bit of 1686 01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:22,960 effort into getting it to the point that 1687 01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:25,120 it is now, but there's still more design 1688 01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:26,800 work that does need to go on in the 1689 01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:28,560 future to tighten things up. So, there 1690 01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:30,800 are changes that there can can be made u 1691 01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:33,679 moving forward. Um, but there may be 1692 01:12:33,679 --> 01:12:34,960 some changes that some people do want 1693 01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:36,320 that we may not be able to move forward 1694 01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:40,480 with just to try to meet the intent of our scope and our our project as 1695 01:12:40,480 --> 01:12:43,120 we're moving forward. Um, so again, 1696 01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:45,600 focus now is to revise the intersections 1697 01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:48,560 to help mobility and also get the 1698 01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:50,320 pedestrian facilities that really 1699 01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:52,880 currently do not exist out there uh at 1700 01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:55,120 this time. With that, I'm going to turn 1701 01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:59,120 it over to Dennis because he does know this project extremely well and he 1702 01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:00,640 can uh let you know what we're looking 1703 01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:01,840 at for moving forward. 1704 01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:05,040 >> Yeah, thank you, Bruce. Um I appreciate 1705 01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:06,880 everyone's time um you know, to talk 1706 01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:10,080 about this project. Uh you know, I I'm 1707 01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:11,600 young enough where I can say I've spent 1708 01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:13,280 most of my career working on this 1709 01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:16,880 project. Um and I I've actually really 1710 01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:18,320 I've enjoyed it. I've spent a lot of 1711 01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:21,280 time up here in um in in Brattleboro to 1712 01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:23,199 you know look at the details of what 1713 01:13:23,199 --> 01:13:25,679 needs to be done and how we can maximize 1714 01:13:25,679 --> 01:13:29,440 the ability to improve the situation um 1715 01:13:29,440 --> 01:13:31,760 within the limits that we have. Um it's 1716 01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:33,600 an important corridor. I don't you know 1717 01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:35,760 need to tell any of you. I know you are 1718 01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:38,080 all familiar with this area. So um if we 1719 01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:40,480 can jump to slide three um I what I'll 1720 01:13:40,480 --> 01:13:42,080 do is I'll just quickly talk about the 1721 01:13:42,080 --> 01:13:43,760 fact that it's a little hard to see. 1722 01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:45,440 It's a little small, but essentially the 1723 01:13:45,440 --> 01:13:46,880 project starts on the southern limit, 1724 01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:49,280 which is right at the West River, and it 1725 01:13:49,280 --> 01:13:51,360 continues north uh all the way up to 1726 01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:54,719 where the there's a Crosby Brook or uh 1727 01:13:54,719 --> 01:13:56,400 the existing roundabout that's there 1728 01:13:56,400 --> 01:13:57,840 today. So, that's the that's the 1729 01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:00,960 corridor of the project. And um as far 1730 01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:02,480 as existing conditions, on the next 1731 01:14:02,480 --> 01:14:04,400 slide, I'll quickly talk about some of 1732 01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:07,120 the things um that we've identified as 1733 01:14:07,120 --> 01:14:09,280 some of the you know, critical things. 1734 01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:11,440 um you know there there is some bad 1735 01:14:11,440 --> 01:14:13,760 underlying pavement conditions. So I 1736 01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:14,719 know there's been a recent 1737 01:14:14,719 --> 01:14:18,080 rehabilitation of the pavement um but as 1738 01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:20,480 um Bruce knows and we've discussed there 1739 01:14:20,480 --> 01:14:22,880 is a concrete base under the road that 1740 01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:25,040 often leads to premature deterioration 1741 01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:26,800 of the pavement and so with these 1742 01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:28,400 resurfacing type projects you're not 1743 01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:30,320 able to fully remove all that concrete 1744 01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:32,560 that's causing a lot of that issue. Um 1745 01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:34,080 this project you know that we're looking 1746 01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:35,760 at will will be able to do that. So, 1747 01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:38,640 it's one of the things. Um, there is 1748 01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:40,239 poor access control and what that means 1749 01:14:40,239 --> 01:14:42,480 is it's hard for people to know where to 1750 01:14:42,480 --> 01:14:44,960 expect vehicles to come from, right? And 1751 01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:46,400 so, the driveways, some of them are 1752 01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:48,960 really narrow, some are very, very wide. 1753 01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:51,120 Um, and there's not a consistent pattern 1754 01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:53,120 to the way that the road operates. And 1755 01:14:53,120 --> 01:14:55,120 so, it's often difficult for other 1756 01:14:55,120 --> 01:14:56,880 drivers, but also for pedestrians and 1757 01:14:56,880 --> 01:14:59,199 bicyclists to know where to expect 1758 01:14:59,199 --> 01:15:01,440 oncoming traffic or cross traffic to 1759 01:15:01,440 --> 01:15:03,120 occur. And so, that's one of the 1760 01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:05,840 existing issues as well. um substandard 1761 01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:07,600 drainage. Uh there are some drainage 1762 01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:10,080 concerns along this corridor as well. Um 1763 01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:11,920 where we're not able to fully drain the 1764 01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:13,600 roadway, you know, during a storm or 1765 01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:15,280 after a storm, especially in the winter 1766 01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:16,560 time when, you know, you start to get 1767 01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:19,679 that icing um situation right after, you 1768 01:15:19,679 --> 01:15:24,400 know, the sun comes out and thaws the snow a bit. Um as Bruce mentioned, 1769 01:15:24,400 --> 01:15:25,760 lack of pedestrian bicycle 1770 01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:27,760 accommodations is a is a major issue 1771 01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:30,640 here. Um and it affects safety for both 1772 01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:32,719 pedestrians, bicyclists, and vehicles. 1773 01:15:32,719 --> 01:15:34,640 Um there are, you know, significant 1774 01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:36,480 crash history along this corridor as 1775 01:15:36,480 --> 01:15:39,040 well, um that we're looking to address. 1776 01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:40,719 Um there are some signals out there 1777 01:15:40,719 --> 01:15:42,320 today, but those signals were installed 1778 01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:44,239 many, many years ago. Um some of the 1779 01:15:44,239 --> 01:15:46,640 equipment is outdated. Um they haven't 1780 01:15:46,640 --> 01:15:48,719 been haven't been upgraded recently. And 1781 01:15:48,719 --> 01:15:50,080 so one of the things that we're looking 1782 01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:52,800 to do is also do that as well. Um and 1783 01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:55,199 vehicle speeds are a major concern out 1784 01:15:55,199 --> 01:15:58,640 here. Um especially in certain areas 1785 01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:00,560 where you know for example coming down 1786 01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:03,199 the hill towards the west river um there 1787 01:16:03,199 --> 01:16:05,280 are a lot of high speeds there as folks 1788 01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:08,239 get onto the bridge um or coming up the 1789 01:16:08,239 --> 01:16:11,040 hill um from from the west river. Um 1790 01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:13,760 there's also stretches um in in the 1791 01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:15,760 middle of the corridor where you know it 1792 01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:18,000 has essentially a little bit of a runway 1793 01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:19,600 effect. You know you have so much 1794 01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:22,400 pavement and so much space that vehicles 1795 01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:24,400 just naturally accelerate as they drive 1796 01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:26,400 through that area. And so looking at 1797 01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:28,320 that as well. Um so that's some of the 1798 01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:30,880 existing issues. Um if you will look at 1799 01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:34,480 the next slide. So project goals. Um you 1800 01:16:34,480 --> 01:16:36,000 know despite the fact that there's a 1801 01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:38,080 large scope change these goals really 1802 01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:39,920 haven't changed. The goals of the 1803 01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:41,280 project the things that we are looking 1804 01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:42,880 to accomplish have essentially stayed 1805 01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:45,440 the same. Um we want to improve the 1806 01:16:45,440 --> 01:16:47,600 safety uh for both pedestrians and 1807 01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:49,440 vehicles and you know bicyclists as 1808 01:16:49,440 --> 01:16:52,320 well. um improve traffic operations and 1809 01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:54,640 not just today but into the future when 1810 01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:56,640 we do these projections and we look at 1811 01:16:56,640 --> 01:16:59,440 20 30 years out making sure that these 1812 01:16:59,440 --> 01:17:01,440 areas and intersections can you know 1813 01:17:01,440 --> 01:17:03,920 safely accommodate larger volumes you 1814 01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:06,560 know if volumes grow into the future um 1815 01:17:06,560 --> 01:17:08,400 complete streets improvements as I 1816 01:17:08,400 --> 01:17:09,840 mentioned you know making sure that 1817 01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:13,120 we're fully accommodating all users of 1818 01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:15,760 the roadway not just vehicles um which 1819 01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:17,760 you know a lot of these older roads you 1820 01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:20,800 know they primarily focus on the cars 1821 01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:23,600 Um, I mentioned storm water drainage. 1822 01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:25,600 Um, and and general aesthetics of the 1823 01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:27,440 roadway as well, make it a more 1824 01:17:27,440 --> 01:17:30,239 welcoming place for folks to go and be 1825 01:17:30,239 --> 01:17:32,960 able to navigate through safely um, as 1826 01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:35,600 they drive through this area or walk or 1827 01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:38,320 ride their bike. Now, 1828 01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:40,400 looking at the conceptual design, there 1829 01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:42,560 are a number of things that I want to 1830 01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:44,480 highlight. So, one of the things I 1831 01:17:44,480 --> 01:17:46,159 already started mentioning is full depth 1832 01:17:46,159 --> 01:17:48,000 reconstruction. So, one of the things 1833 01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:49,600 we're going to do with the road is do a 1834 01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:51,120 full depth reconstruction. What that 1835 01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:53,120 means is not just removing that top 1836 01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:55,280 surface of the asphalt, going all the 1837 01:17:55,280 --> 01:17:57,040 way down, removing all of that concrete 1838 01:17:57,040 --> 01:18:00,239 base, any substandard subbase material, 1839 01:18:00,239 --> 01:18:02,320 taking all of that out, so that that way 1840 01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:04,400 the asphalt is sitting on a good solid 1841 01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:06,640 foundation. It will last much longer. It 1842 01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:09,120 won't deteriorate as quickly um after a 1843 01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:13,520 rehab. Um, we are proposing 11oot travel 1844 01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:16,159 lanes throughout this corridor, 5-ft 1845 01:18:16,159 --> 01:18:19,199 shoulders. Um, throughout the corridor 1846 01:18:19,199 --> 01:18:22,080 as well, uh, we're looking to do a 8-ft 1847 01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:25,440 shared use path. Um, essentially the 1848 01:18:25,440 --> 01:18:26,960 majority of the corridor will have a 1849 01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:29,040 shared use path. That 8ft shared use 1850 01:18:29,040 --> 01:18:31,199 path, um, the majority of it will be on 1851 01:18:31,199 --> 01:18:33,760 both sides of the corridor. Um, but 1852 01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:35,440 there are some segments that I'll 1853 01:18:35,440 --> 01:18:37,280 mention in particular where we 1854 01:18:37,280 --> 01:18:39,120 physically don't have the space to do 1855 01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:40,800 that. And so there are some restrictions 1856 01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:43,760 to that. Um in those areas, we're still 1857 01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:45,600 we will still be proposing a 5-ft 1858 01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:48,560 sidewalk, a standard width sidewalk um 1859 01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:50,880 in in some of those tighter locations. 1860 01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:53,440 And also a two-way left turn lane uh 1861 01:18:53,440 --> 01:18:58,480 beginning at Noah's Lane um along the busier, wider section of the 1862 01:18:58,480 --> 01:19:00,719 corridor. um that would allow vehicles 1863 01:19:00,719 --> 01:19:03,040 to be able to make those left turns in 1864 01:19:03,040 --> 01:19:05,280 and out of the businesses, you know, 1865 01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:08,480 without having to um you know, block the 1866 01:19:08,480 --> 01:19:13,679 through lane. Um that you know um and additionally, one of the things 1867 01:19:13,679 --> 01:19:16,480 we're looking at carefully is the turn 1868 01:19:16,480 --> 01:19:18,080 lanes at all of the signalized 1869 01:19:18,080 --> 01:19:19,679 intersections. Making sure that we have 1870 01:19:19,679 --> 01:19:22,320 sufficient lanes to, you know, for the 1871 01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:23,760 left turns, the right turns, and the 1872 01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:26,239 through movements at all of the existing 1873 01:19:26,239 --> 01:19:29,040 intersections. 1874 01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:33,280 Um so what we're doing is we're 1875 01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:35,199 improving essentially three existing 1876 01:19:35,199 --> 01:19:37,280 signalized intersections. Those are 1877 01:19:37,280 --> 01:19:41,679 Fairfield um Plaza where Staples or Aldi 1878 01:19:41,679 --> 01:19:44,480 is. Um the Hannerford Plaza and the 1879 01:19:44,480 --> 01:19:46,560 Black Mountain Road intersection. And 1880 01:19:46,560 --> 01:19:48,800 we'll be adding a signal at Chering 1881 01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:50,719 Drive. So that'll be a new additional 1882 01:19:50,719 --> 01:19:53,440 signal beyond what's out there today. Um 1883 01:19:53,440 --> 01:19:56,320 all of the equipment will be new and uh 1884 01:19:56,320 --> 01:19:59,679 and upgraded. Um we will have dedicated 1885 01:19:59,679 --> 01:20:02,000 pedestrian phases at all of these 1886 01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:03,840 intersections now so that way 1887 01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:05,920 pedestrians can safely cross those 1888 01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:08,640 intersections at at um when they 1889 01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:12,080 activate the signal and um also 1890 01:20:12,080 --> 01:20:13,760 coordination between the signals. So, 1891 01:20:13,760 --> 01:20:15,840 one of the things that newer, more 1892 01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:17,760 modern systems can do is the signals can 1893 01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:19,600 actually communicate with one another 1894 01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:21,840 and they can be coordinated and they can 1895 01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:24,719 be adjusted so that as volumes change, 1896 01:20:24,719 --> 01:20:27,600 the signals adapt to those volumes and 1897 01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:30,239 that, you know, improves the ability for 1898 01:20:30,239 --> 01:20:32,560 vehicles to get through there. Um, you 1899 01:20:32,560 --> 01:20:34,960 know, you may not spend as much time 1900 01:20:34,960 --> 01:20:36,880 when you're driving through at 11 1901 01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:38,239 o'clock at night when there's no other 1902 01:20:38,239 --> 01:20:39,760 cars on the road, but you're sitting at 1903 01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:42,560 a red light. Those types of situations. 1904 01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:45,280 um versus the peak afternoon hour where 1905 01:20:45,280 --> 01:20:47,040 there's lots of cars coming from all 1906 01:20:47,040 --> 01:20:50,400 directions. Um we're also looking at um 1907 01:20:50,400 --> 01:20:52,560 improving access control, consolidating 1908 01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:56,880 some driveways. There's also uh a few um 1909 01:20:56,880 --> 01:20:59,360 essentially frontage access roads along 1910 01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:01,760 this roadway right now that create a 1911 01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:03,920 little bit of an unsafe situation uh 1912 01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:06,480 where cars use those roads to avoid the 1913 01:21:06,480 --> 01:21:08,480 signals that are out there today and try 1914 01:21:08,480 --> 01:21:11,440 to bypass them at high speeds. And so, 1915 01:21:11,440 --> 01:21:13,360 uh, we'll be closing some of those 1916 01:21:13,360 --> 01:21:16,640 accesses down and creating more uniform 1917 01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:18,320 driveways down the corridor so that 1918 01:21:18,320 --> 01:21:20,800 there's clear access to the road, uh, 1919 01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:23,920 from the private properties um, and, uh, 1920 01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:26,159 bus pulloffs as well. We are currently 1921 01:21:26,159 --> 01:21:28,239 proposing three bus pulloffs along the 1922 01:21:28,239 --> 01:21:30,960 corridor to help create a more defined 1923 01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:33,280 um, dedicated location for buses to stop 1924 01:21:33,280 --> 01:21:35,840 and pick up folks. 1925 01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:38,239 Um, so the cross-section, we'll we'll 1926 01:21:38,239 --> 01:21:39,840 look at this very quickly. you know, 1927 01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:42,560 this is an engineering drawing. Um, but 1928 01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:44,400 I know it's not as uh as beautiful in 1929 01:21:44,400 --> 01:21:45,760 some of the some of the other images, 1930 01:21:45,760 --> 01:21:47,600 but uh essentially it's the 1931 01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:49,440 cross-section of the road. And you could 1932 01:21:49,440 --> 01:21:52,480 see there, if you you know, maybe look 1933 01:21:52,480 --> 01:21:54,400 carefully, there's the the concrete 1934 01:21:54,400 --> 01:21:56,719 subbase. And essentially, we're 1935 01:21:56,719 --> 01:21:58,320 proposing the the different 1936 01:21:58,320 --> 01:22:00,159 crosssections along the roadway. The 1937 01:22:00,159 --> 01:22:01,840 important thing here that I want to 1938 01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:03,440 highlight is the fact that we are 1939 01:22:03,440 --> 01:22:05,600 accommodating vehicles with 11t travel 1940 01:22:05,600 --> 01:22:08,320 lanes. We are accommodating, you know, 1941 01:22:08,320 --> 01:22:10,639 uh, bicyclists, uh, within the roadway 1942 01:22:10,639 --> 01:22:12,880 with a wide five- foot shoulder, but 1943 01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:14,719 also accommodating them outside of the 1944 01:22:14,719 --> 01:22:16,880 roadway with a shared use path. And so 1945 01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:18,719 for those folks that are commuting and 1946 01:22:18,719 --> 01:22:20,880 like to stay within the flow of traffic 1947 01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:22,639 and, you know, they're comfortable being 1948 01:22:22,639 --> 01:22:24,080 out in the road, there's a way for them 1949 01:22:24,080 --> 01:22:26,400 to do that safely. But for those folks 1950 01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:28,560 that are maybe with younger families or 1951 01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:30,400 kids and they want to be able to ride 1952 01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:32,159 along the road, they have a dedicated 1953 01:22:32,159 --> 01:22:34,639 shared use path that's offset from the 1954 01:22:34,639 --> 01:22:36,560 road with a grass strip wherever we have 1955 01:22:36,560 --> 01:22:39,120 the space to do that. 1956 01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:41,440 Um, let's skip ahead here to 1957 01:22:41,440 --> 01:22:42,719 >> Oh, go back to the last slide because 1958 01:22:42,719 --> 01:22:44,000 you didn't show grass strip and 1959 01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:45,280 everything. 1960 01:22:45,280 --> 01:22:47,920 >> This one. Um, 1961 01:22:47,920 --> 01:22:54,709 uh, yeah, let me see. 1962 01:22:54,719 --> 01:22:57,360 I think yeah I think I'll what I'll do 1963 01:22:57,360 --> 01:22:59,440 is I'll point it out here in the visual. 1964 01:22:59,440 --> 01:23:02,400 Uh could we go to slide 11 please? Okay 1965 01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:04,880 so uh one I'll point out an extra thing. 1966 01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:06,800 So besides the bus pulloff yeah thank 1967 01:23:06,800 --> 01:23:09,920 you for zooming in. Um so in addition to 1968 01:23:09,920 --> 01:23:11,440 the bus pulloff what I want to highlight 1969 01:23:11,440 --> 01:23:13,120 is the fact that everywhere along the 1970 01:23:13,120 --> 01:23:14,800 corridor where we have the space within 1971 01:23:14,800 --> 01:23:16,239 the rightway and there's there's a 1972 01:23:16,239 --> 01:23:18,400 significant amount of this wide rightway 1973 01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:20,719 available to us. We are not only 1974 01:23:20,719 --> 01:23:22,320 providing that shared use path, but 1975 01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:23,840 we're also offsetting it from the 1976 01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:26,639 roadway with a grass strip. Um, what we 1977 01:23:26,639 --> 01:23:28,159 don't like to do is install a grass 1978 01:23:28,159 --> 01:23:29,840 strip that's only a foot or two wide 1979 01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:31,440 because it's really hard to maintain. 1980 01:23:31,440 --> 01:23:33,520 The grass doesn't typically survive. But 1981 01:23:33,520 --> 01:23:35,360 if we can get up to like a three or four 1982 01:23:35,360 --> 01:23:38,080 or five foot grass strip, that's ideal. 1983 01:23:38,080 --> 01:23:40,400 It usually grows a lot better and, you 1984 01:23:40,400 --> 01:23:42,000 know, it creates that separation from 1985 01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:43,840 the roadway for people that are within 1986 01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:46,480 that shared use path. Um, so that's one 1987 01:23:46,480 --> 01:23:47,840 of the things that you'll see along the 1988 01:23:47,840 --> 01:23:50,560 entire corridor. um during the in within 1989 01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:52,800 those wider segments really the the 1990 01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:54,639 narrow part of the corridor is from the 1991 01:23:54,639 --> 01:23:57,440 west river to town crier that's the 1992 01:23:57,440 --> 01:23:59,280 narrowest part of the cross-section you 1993 01:23:59,280 --> 01:24:01,360 know and we have very limited room to do 1994 01:24:01,360 --> 01:24:03,600 anything there because we essentially 1995 01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:06,320 have a hillside with a ledge on one side 1996 01:24:06,320 --> 01:24:08,880 and then a drop down to the river on the 1997 01:24:08,880 --> 01:24:11,280 other side and so we're you know the 1998 01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:12,960 road essentially kind of threads the 1999 01:24:12,960 --> 01:24:15,440 needle through that location we are 2000 01:24:15,440 --> 01:24:17,360 maximizing it we're putting in that 2001 01:24:17,360 --> 01:24:19,520 sidewalk and we're putting in the wider 2002 01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:21,280 shoulders, but what we can't do is 2003 01:24:21,280 --> 01:24:22,880 provide that full width cross-section 2004 01:24:22,880 --> 01:24:24,639 that we're doing within the rest of the 2005 01:24:24,639 --> 01:24:28,639 corridor. Um, now what's on the screen 2006 01:24:28,639 --> 01:24:31,120 here is the bus pulloffs pulloff areas. 2007 01:24:31,120 --> 01:24:33,120 So, these are great because what they do 2008 01:24:33,120 --> 01:24:34,800 is they actually get the bus out of the 2009 01:24:34,800 --> 01:24:36,400 travel lane. So, rather than just 2010 01:24:36,400 --> 01:24:38,719 stopping within the roadway itself, um, 2011 01:24:38,719 --> 01:24:41,120 the bus has a space to pull off into the 2012 01:24:41,120 --> 01:24:44,000 shoulder out of the travel lane. um you 2013 01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:45,679 know usually prevents some of the 2014 01:24:45,679 --> 01:24:47,440 aggressive driving that you will see 2015 01:24:47,440 --> 01:24:49,280 behind buses where folks are getting 2016 01:24:49,280 --> 01:24:51,920 frustrated and trying to pass um and so 2017 01:24:51,920 --> 01:24:54,719 this gets them out of the way. Um VR uh 2018 01:24:54,719 --> 01:24:57,679 this is like a typical bus shelter image 2019 01:24:57,679 --> 01:24:59,520 that you see on the screen there. That's 2020 01:24:59,520 --> 01:25:00,800 you know typically what they'll look 2021 01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:03,199 like. Um these are used throughout the 2022 01:25:03,199 --> 01:25:06,800 state and uh it's relatively simple but 2023 01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:09,360 it it does its job and it you know is 2024 01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:11,360 relatively easy to maintain u while 2025 01:25:11,360 --> 01:25:13,520 still providing a safe place for folks 2026 01:25:13,520 --> 01:25:15,520 you know with good visibility from the 2027 01:25:15,520 --> 01:25:18,000 different sides. Um they we typically 2028 01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:20,639 will also install uh you know other 2029 01:25:20,639 --> 01:25:23,520 things like um ramps and things like 2030 01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:25,760 that to facilitate people being able to 2031 01:25:25,760 --> 01:25:28,239 you know you know with uh any kind of 2032 01:25:28,239 --> 01:25:29,760 disability or things like that to be 2033 01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:32,400 able to get it in and off the bus um as 2034 01:25:32,400 --> 01:25:32,960 well. 2035 01:25:32,960 --> 01:25:34,159 >> And and one thing I want to point out 2036 01:25:34,159 --> 01:25:36,800 with this this slide itself is in those 2037 01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:39,440 images you can see the orange line it's 2038 01:25:39,440 --> 01:25:44,480 kind of dashed in areas but that is the state rightway. So that that is one 2039 01:25:44,480 --> 01:25:45,600 of the areas that we are trying to 2040 01:25:45,600 --> 01:25:47,520 maintain as much as we possibly can in 2041 01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:49,120 that area because every time we do have 2042 01:25:49,120 --> 01:25:50,560 to go out that does mean rights we have 2043 01:25:50,560 --> 01:25:52,639 to obtain from from property owners. So 2044 01:25:52,639 --> 01:25:53,920 that is a line that I just want to point 2045 01:25:53,920 --> 01:25:55,600 out. You're going to see that vary with 2046 01:25:55,600 --> 01:25:57,120 our impacts throughout this entire 2047 01:25:57,120 --> 01:25:58,480 project that that Dennis is talking 2048 01:25:58,480 --> 01:25:59,920 about. But just so you know that that's 2049 01:25:59,920 --> 01:26:01,920 the line that we're trying to get most 2050 01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:03,199 of our infrastructure in. 2051 01:26:03,199 --> 01:26:04,960 >> Right. Yeah. Exactly. And what you'll 2052 01:26:04,960 --> 01:26:07,120 see is often times the the back of 2053 01:26:07,120 --> 01:26:08,960 sidewalk is right up against that orange 2054 01:26:08,960 --> 01:26:10,880 line. So, we've essentially maximized, 2055 01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:13,199 we've pushed out as far as we can to fit 2056 01:26:13,199 --> 01:26:15,520 as much as we can into the road. Um, so 2057 01:26:15,520 --> 01:26:16,960 the three locations we're currently 2058 01:26:16,960 --> 01:26:20,400 proposing are Town Crier, um, another 2059 01:26:20,400 --> 01:26:23,520 pulloff in front of Hannerford, and also 2060 01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:26,080 O'Reilly Auto Parts as well. Those are 2061 01:26:26,080 --> 01:26:28,560 general three locations that we're we're 2062 01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:30,480 looking at. When we when we were doing 2063 01:26:30,480 --> 01:26:32,800 the uh earlier design with the 2064 01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:34,719 roundabouts, we had coordinated with the 2065 01:26:34,719 --> 01:26:36,159 bus companies. So, we generally 2066 01:26:36,159 --> 01:26:37,440 understand their routes through the 2067 01:26:37,440 --> 01:26:39,600 area, you know, and there was a lot of 2068 01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:42,080 discussion about, you know, the 2069 01:26:42,080 --> 01:26:44,080 direction of travel and what some of the 2070 01:26:44,080 --> 01:26:46,080 ideal locations would be. That's how 2071 01:26:46,080 --> 01:26:49,520 these were chosen. Um, 2072 01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:52,000 uh, now moving on to the next slide. So, 2073 01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:53,199 another thing, another, you know, 2074 01:26:53,199 --> 01:26:54,960 essentially feature that you'll see 2075 01:26:54,960 --> 01:26:57,600 along the corridor is these mountable 2076 01:26:57,600 --> 01:27:00,560 bumpouts. Um, as I mentioned earlier, 2077 01:27:00,560 --> 01:27:03,520 speed is a big concern. Um, and so one 2078 01:27:03,520 --> 01:27:06,080 of the things that, you know, I some of 2079 01:27:06,080 --> 01:27:08,159 you folks may be familiar with is that 2080 01:27:08,159 --> 01:27:09,920 putting up a sign with a speed limit 2081 01:27:09,920 --> 01:27:12,960 doesn't really slow people down. Um, you 2082 01:27:12,960 --> 01:27:14,960 know, and often times people say, well, 2083 01:27:14,960 --> 01:27:16,639 enforcement, you know, you have to pull 2084 01:27:16,639 --> 01:27:19,120 people over. And and unfortunately, the 2085 01:27:19,120 --> 01:27:20,800 reality is in our experience with the 2086 01:27:20,800 --> 01:27:22,400 work we do, that often also doesn't 2087 01:27:22,400 --> 01:27:24,800 work. It works in within that moment, 2088 01:27:24,800 --> 01:27:26,719 but you can't have someone doing that 2089 01:27:26,719 --> 01:27:30,320 24/7. Um, and so the most effective way 2090 01:27:30,320 --> 01:27:32,080 to slow folks down is to create a 2091 01:27:32,080 --> 01:27:34,159 narrower cross-section, is to make it 2092 01:27:34,159 --> 01:27:36,400 uncomfortable to drive fast. If it's 2093 01:27:36,400 --> 01:27:38,320 uncomfortable to drive fast, people will 2094 01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:40,800 drive slower. And so, uh, one of the 2095 01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:42,800 things that we wanted to do is identify 2096 01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:44,480 locations along the corridor that would 2097 01:27:44,480 --> 01:27:46,159 be most me where that would be most 2098 01:27:46,159 --> 01:27:48,480 meaningful, right? Places where you 2099 01:27:48,480 --> 01:27:50,960 start to get that long runway stretch. 2100 01:27:50,960 --> 01:27:52,560 And so, what we want to do is we want to 2101 01:27:52,560 --> 01:27:54,400 narrow those things down. We don't want 2102 01:27:54,400 --> 01:27:56,639 to necessarily fully close the road down 2103 01:27:56,639 --> 01:27:58,000 because we still need to be able to get 2104 01:27:58,000 --> 01:27:59,520 some of these larger trucks through here 2105 01:27:59,520 --> 01:28:00,880 that make deliveries to these 2106 01:28:00,880 --> 01:28:04,639 businesses, get in and out. Um, but the 2107 01:28:04,639 --> 01:28:07,360 trucks can mount these aprons. Um, for a 2108 01:28:07,360 --> 01:28:09,440 regular passenger vehicle, it becomes 2109 01:28:09,440 --> 01:28:11,120 uncomfortable. Can they still ride over 2110 01:28:11,120 --> 01:28:15,679 it? Sure, yes, they can. Um, but it's less comfortable to do so. And most 2111 01:28:15,679 --> 01:28:17,920 folks will essentially stay within the 2112 01:28:17,920 --> 01:28:21,120 lane. And that that narrowing of fe uh 2113 01:28:21,120 --> 01:28:24,239 effect does help slow down speeds, 2114 01:28:24,239 --> 01:28:26,320 provide some of that traffic calming 2115 01:28:26,320 --> 01:28:28,960 effect that does help um with you know 2116 01:28:28,960 --> 01:28:30,960 these locations. 2117 01:28:30,960 --> 01:28:33,120 So that's that's what you see here. Um 2118 01:28:33,120 --> 01:28:34,960 we also understand this is Vermont, 2119 01:28:34,960 --> 01:28:37,440 right? We we need to plow snow. We need 2120 01:28:37,440 --> 01:28:38,960 to be able to clear the roads. We need 2121 01:28:38,960 --> 01:28:43,040 to be able to do all that. So this is a way to compromise between those 2122 01:28:43,040 --> 01:28:45,040 things. you know, still be be able to 2123 01:28:45,040 --> 01:28:47,360 maintain these roads and plow them and 2124 01:28:47,360 --> 01:28:49,120 allow drainage to effectively get off 2125 01:28:49,120 --> 01:28:51,840 the road while still uh creating that 2126 01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:54,080 slower effect. 2127 01:28:54,080 --> 01:28:57,760 Okay. Uh next slide. Uh we also are 2128 01:28:57,760 --> 01:28:59,840 proposing a couple midblock crossings. 2129 01:28:59,840 --> 01:29:01,760 So, one of the the differences is that 2130 01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:03,199 these are crossings that are not 2131 01:29:03,199 --> 01:29:05,920 attached to a signalized intersection. 2132 01:29:05,920 --> 01:29:08,000 Um there are places where it would be a 2133 01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:10,880 pretty long stretch uh to go to the next 2134 01:29:10,880 --> 01:29:13,199 signal to cross the road. And so within 2135 01:29:13,199 --> 01:29:16,320 those locations, we do propose uh an 2136 01:29:16,320 --> 01:29:18,880 RRFB crossing. Uh it's a rectangular 2137 01:29:18,880 --> 01:29:20,960 rapid flashing beacon. There is one out 2138 01:29:20,960 --> 01:29:23,760 there today at uh Town Crier. So you may 2139 01:29:23,760 --> 01:29:25,440 be familiar with that. It's a push 2140 01:29:25,440 --> 01:29:27,920 activated signal. So essentially it 2141 01:29:27,920 --> 01:29:29,920 doesn't, you know, just sits there until 2142 01:29:29,920 --> 01:29:31,679 someone walks up, pushes the button, and 2143 01:29:31,679 --> 01:29:33,840 then it flashes to let people know that, 2144 01:29:33,840 --> 01:29:36,159 you know, someone's crossing the road. 2145 01:29:36,159 --> 01:29:39,520 Um, we we use these sparingly generally 2146 01:29:39,520 --> 01:29:41,920 because if you install too many of them, 2147 01:29:41,920 --> 01:29:44,000 people start to ignore them. And so you 2148 01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:46,480 want to use them at the most important 2149 01:29:46,480 --> 01:29:49,040 locations along the corridor where it's 2150 01:29:49,040 --> 01:29:51,280 a long distance for the next crossing. 2151 01:29:51,280 --> 01:29:52,639 And that's where you really want to 2152 01:29:52,639 --> 01:29:56,320 place them for places like that. 2153 01:29:56,320 --> 01:30:01,199 Um, now moving on, uh, we have upgraded 2154 01:30:01,199 --> 01:30:03,840 signals at some of these intersections. 2155 01:30:03,840 --> 01:30:05,679 don't need to get into a lot of detail 2156 01:30:05,679 --> 01:30:07,920 with this, but I'll just simply mention 2157 01:30:07,920 --> 01:30:10,639 that um you know they will be standard 2158 01:30:10,639 --> 01:30:12,400 signals that you know you see around the 2159 01:30:12,400 --> 01:30:16,000 state. They will be um new uh you know 2160 01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:18,400 foundations with new signal uh poles, 2161 01:30:18,400 --> 01:30:21,040 new signal arms meeting all the latest 2162 01:30:21,040 --> 01:30:22,800 visibility standards and things like 2163 01:30:22,800 --> 01:30:26,080 that. Um we will have all ADA you know 2164 01:30:26,080 --> 01:30:27,840 crossings so all of the ramps will be 2165 01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:30,159 compliant. they'll be able to uh work 2166 01:30:30,159 --> 01:30:32,000 with, you know, help assist with 2167 01:30:32,000 --> 01:30:34,400 visually impaired folks and things like 2168 01:30:34,400 --> 01:30:37,440 that as well. Um, and I I think I 2169 01:30:37,440 --> 01:30:39,760 mentioned earlier, but uh one of the 2170 01:30:39,760 --> 01:30:42,080 important things when you have a signal 2171 01:30:42,080 --> 01:30:44,480 like this is to have a pedestrian phase 2172 01:30:44,480 --> 01:30:46,560 where pedestrians know it's safe to 2173 01:30:46,560 --> 01:30:48,400 cross. You know, it's a dedicated phase 2174 01:30:48,400 --> 01:30:50,480 for them at the signal. um where 2175 01:30:50,480 --> 01:30:54,400 everyone's stopped and you know it's a really safe and primarily for you 2176 01:30:54,400 --> 01:30:56,320 know for those folks that may needs need 2177 01:30:56,320 --> 01:30:58,000 a little extra time to get to the other 2178 01:30:58,000 --> 01:31:00,400 side of the road. 2179 01:31:00,400 --> 01:31:05,520 Um if we could skip to slide 18 please. 2180 01:31:05,520 --> 01:31:07,600 Um so one of the other things is storm 2181 01:31:07,600 --> 01:31:10,000 water. Uh with the work that we're doing 2182 01:31:10,000 --> 01:31:12,239 we are proposing all new closed drainage 2183 01:31:12,239 --> 01:31:15,040 along the roadway and so uh that's a 2184 01:31:15,040 --> 01:31:16,880 significant improvement to what's out 2185 01:31:16,880 --> 01:31:18,320 there today. There will be a new trunk 2186 01:31:18,320 --> 01:31:20,080 line which is a main line that runs down 2187 01:31:20,080 --> 01:31:21,760 the road and we'll be collecting all new 2188 01:31:21,760 --> 01:31:23,679 drainage with catch basins along the 2189 01:31:23,679 --> 01:31:26,320 corridor. Um now in addition to that we 2190 01:31:26,320 --> 01:31:28,719 will also be installing uh infiltration 2191 01:31:28,719 --> 01:31:31,440 basins that will treat that storm water 2192 01:31:31,440 --> 01:31:33,280 before it's discharged into the 2193 01:31:33,280 --> 01:31:36,560 Connecticut the west or uh Crosby Brook. 2194 01:31:36,560 --> 01:31:38,960 is actually it's a sediment 2195 01:31:38,960 --> 01:31:40,800 impaired brook. Um, and so we want to 2196 01:31:40,800 --> 01:31:42,639 keep as much of that salt, sand, and 2197 01:31:42,639 --> 01:31:44,639 everything else out of that. And these 2198 01:31:44,639 --> 01:31:46,719 basins go a long way to doing that and 2199 01:31:46,719 --> 01:31:48,719 help improve that quality of of storm 2200 01:31:48,719 --> 01:31:50,480 water that ends up in the rivers and 2201 01:31:50,480 --> 01:31:52,320 streams. 2202 01:31:52,320 --> 01:31:54,880 >> And uh, that's the end of the 2203 01:31:54,880 --> 01:31:57,120 presentation. So, open it up to 2204 01:31:57,120 --> 01:31:58,000 questions. 2205 01:31:58,000 --> 01:31:59,440 >> Great. I know that that was, you know, 2206 01:31:59,440 --> 01:32:00,880 very quick rundown for everything that's 2207 01:32:00,880 --> 01:32:02,639 been going into this, but I think Dennis 2208 01:32:02,639 --> 01:32:04,239 did hit on it. And we do have, you know, 2209 01:32:04,239 --> 01:32:06,320 slides of the the other signalized 2210 01:32:06,320 --> 01:32:07,679 intersections if anybody does want to 2211 01:32:07,679 --> 01:32:08,880 take a look at that, but it's they're 2212 01:32:08,880 --> 01:32:10,960 all pretty much kind of the same. You 2213 01:32:10,960 --> 01:32:12,639 know, we're adding turn lanes that may 2214 01:32:12,639 --> 01:32:15,040 not exist now and uh those pedestrian 2215 01:32:15,040 --> 01:32:17,120 facilities throughout. 2216 01:32:17,120 --> 01:32:20,239 >> Great. Thank you. Um and these this 2217 01:32:20,239 --> 01:32:21,920 presentation, which I think people will 2218 01:32:21,920 --> 01:32:23,600 be really interested in, is available 2219 01:32:23,600 --> 01:32:27,440 online on the town website, I believe. 2220 01:32:27,440 --> 01:32:28,639 >> Yep, it is. It's up there. 2221 01:32:28,639 --> 01:32:31,679 >> Part of the backups, etc. So, thank you 2222 01:32:31,679 --> 01:32:34,480 all for coming and for waiting and u for 2223 01:32:34,480 --> 01:32:36,880 such a thorough presentation. Questions 2224 01:32:36,880 --> 01:32:39,760 from the board. 2225 01:32:39,760 --> 01:32:41,040 >> Yeah. Yes. Yeah, I do. 2226 01:32:41,040 --> 01:32:42,480 >> Neil and then Amanda. 2227 01:32:42,480 --> 01:32:44,080 >> Mine might be longer if Amanda wants 2228 01:32:44,080 --> 01:32:45,440 >> Amanda and then Neil. 2229 01:32:45,440 --> 01:32:48,080 >> Okay. I I'll have few specific Thanks 2230 01:32:48,080 --> 01:32:52,320 for the great presentation. Um so I did 2231 01:32:52,320 --> 01:32:54,800 a quick like search and how high the 2232 01:32:54,800 --> 01:32:56,880 mountable bumpouts are. 2233 01:32:56,880 --> 01:32:58,400 >> Mhm. 2234 01:32:58,400 --> 01:33:00,560 between four and seven inches. Minimum 2235 01:33:00,560 --> 01:33:02,880 of four. There's a big variation. Uh 2236 01:33:02,880 --> 01:33:04,880 >> so what's the plan for this one? And 2237 01:33:04,880 --> 01:33:08,239 does our Department of Public Works have 2238 01:33:08,239 --> 01:33:11,520 to have a specialized plow or is there 2239 01:33:11,520 --> 01:33:14,400 higher risk of injury to our equipment? 2240 01:33:14,400 --> 01:33:16,400 >> This is still a state route. So we are 2241 01:33:16,400 --> 01:33:17,920 doing the plowing I believe here through 2242 01:33:17,920 --> 01:33:18,320 here. 2243 01:33:18,320 --> 01:33:19,280 >> Yeah. 2244 01:33:19,280 --> 01:33:21,760 >> 100% of it. Even where we have a side 2245 01:33:21,760 --> 01:33:24,320 road coming in and we're moving it. 2246 01:33:24,320 --> 01:33:26,400 Okay. Okay. So that's all you guys 2247 01:33:26,400 --> 01:33:28,560 >> think town plows the sidewalks if I 2248 01:33:28,560 --> 01:33:30,080 remember correctly. Yep. 2249 01:33:30,080 --> 01:33:31,840 >> Um and so one of the things that we are 2250 01:33:31,840 --> 01:33:33,840 actually looked at is making sure that 2251 01:33:33,840 --> 01:33:35,920 they are wide enough in all the 2252 01:33:35,920 --> 01:33:38,480 locations for the town plow uh that does 2253 01:33:38,480 --> 01:33:40,719 the sidewalk plows um to be able to 2254 01:33:40,719 --> 01:33:43,199 navigate through there if needed. Um but 2255 01:33:43,199 --> 01:33:46,719 yes, the the bumpouts can be anything 2256 01:33:46,719 --> 01:33:48,719 from completely flush and just a 2257 01:33:48,719 --> 01:33:50,719 different texture from the pavement 2258 01:33:50,719 --> 01:33:53,440 around it. stamped uh textured with a 2259 01:33:53,440 --> 01:33:55,920 you know granite outline or they can be 2260 01:33:55,920 --> 01:33:59,120 you know up to three, four, five inches 2261 01:33:59,120 --> 01:34:01,440 depending on the you know location and 2262 01:34:01,440 --> 01:34:03,520 what you're trying to achieve. Um they 2263 01:34:03,520 --> 01:34:05,360 have a mountable curb so that way if a 2264 01:34:05,360 --> 01:34:07,360 truck does drive right through them 2265 01:34:07,360 --> 01:34:09,520 which they are meant to do that. It 2266 01:34:09,520 --> 01:34:11,679 won't cut their tire or you know damage 2267 01:34:11,679 --> 01:34:13,520 their vehicle in any way and it also 2268 01:34:13,520 --> 01:34:15,679 won't damage a pedestrian a regular 2269 01:34:15,679 --> 01:34:18,320 passenger vehicle unless it hits it at a 2270 01:34:18,320 --> 01:34:20,880 significant speed. Um, but it's meant to 2271 01:34:20,880 --> 01:34:22,480 be uncomfortable. It's just meant to 2272 01:34:22,480 --> 01:34:24,239 kind of give you that like, oh, I'm I'm 2273 01:34:24,239 --> 01:34:25,600 not on the main road here. 2274 01:34:25,600 --> 01:34:27,440 >> And Amanda, John just had a followup on 2275 01:34:27,440 --> 01:34:28,639 that specific question. 2276 01:34:28,639 --> 01:34:30,639 >> I just had a question on the whether you 2277 01:34:30,639 --> 01:34:35,120 looked at um instead of the bumpouts uh 2278 01:34:35,120 --> 01:34:37,600 have refuge islands for the pedestrian 2279 01:34:37,600 --> 01:34:39,840 crossings in those areas instead of the 2280 01:34:39,840 --> 01:34:42,239 use that width from the bumpouts and 2281 01:34:42,239 --> 01:34:45,280 give it to sa uh save the pedestrians uh 2282 01:34:45,280 --> 01:34:46,880 and give them a little refuge in the 2283 01:34:46,880 --> 01:34:48,880 middle of the road. 2284 01:34:48,880 --> 01:34:51,120 We Yeah. So, it's a good question. We 2285 01:34:51,120 --> 01:34:53,199 did look at that. I think the difficulty 2286 01:34:53,199 --> 01:34:55,360 is that we need that space on the 2287 01:34:55,360 --> 01:34:57,840 outside for the truck turning movements. 2288 01:34:57,840 --> 01:35:01,280 And so, um, in order for a the larger 2289 01:35:01,280 --> 01:35:02,880 trucks that come through here, like such 2290 01:35:02,880 --> 01:35:05,040 as like the Cisco delivery trucks or the 2291 01:35:05,040 --> 01:35:07,120 Hannerford trucks, those types of trucks 2292 01:35:07,120 --> 01:35:09,679 or, uh, you know, the deliveries for the 2293 01:35:09,679 --> 01:35:12,000 dealership, for example, those trucks, 2294 01:35:12,000 --> 01:35:13,840 they need the full width to be able to 2295 01:35:13,840 --> 01:35:16,480 maneuver and make those turns that they 2296 01:35:16,480 --> 01:35:17,760 need to do. And so we run those 2297 01:35:17,760 --> 01:35:20,239 movements. And so the issue is that we 2298 01:35:20,239 --> 01:35:24,560 can't create a pedestrian refuge if it's 2299 01:35:24,560 --> 01:35:26,560 mountable because we can't give them 2300 01:35:26,560 --> 01:35:28,480 that false sense of safety, right? Where 2301 01:35:28,480 --> 01:35:30,080 like, well, they can stop here and wait 2302 01:35:30,080 --> 01:35:31,920 for the next crossing, but they actually 2303 01:35:31,920 --> 01:35:34,639 can't because a truck can drive through 2304 01:35:34,639 --> 01:35:36,560 right through this area and might need 2305 01:35:36,560 --> 01:35:37,280 to. 2306 01:35:37,280 --> 01:35:38,960 >> And so that's the difficulty. Thank you. 2307 01:35:38,960 --> 01:35:39,360 Yeah. 2308 01:35:39,360 --> 01:35:41,679 >> And and just add on that, you know, the 2309 01:35:41,679 --> 01:35:43,840 um the refuge like in the middle that's 2310 01:35:43,840 --> 01:35:45,440 also going to be getting like the median 2311 01:35:45,440 --> 01:35:46,719 built in a little bit more. you're going 2312 01:35:46,719 --> 01:35:49,360 to have a lot more um not main activity 2313 01:35:49,360 --> 01:35:50,800 but kind of taking away from the lane 2314 01:35:50,800 --> 01:35:52,320 mobility that we're we're trying to get 2315 01:35:52,320 --> 01:35:53,760 as well. Um 2316 01:35:53,760 --> 01:35:55,520 >> so just one of the things that has been 2317 01:35:55,520 --> 01:35:57,760 discussed but just pros and cons to a 2318 01:35:57,760 --> 01:35:59,199 lot of different things. So 2319 01:35:59,199 --> 01:36:00,639 >> um speaking back to the maintenance 2320 01:36:00,639 --> 01:36:03,360 aspect that we I'm trying to speak for 2321 01:36:03,360 --> 01:36:04,880 our maintenance section for now is like 2322 01:36:04,880 --> 01:36:06,480 they probably want a lower manual curve 2323 01:36:06,480 --> 01:36:08,159 here and really what I think we we're 2324 01:36:08,159 --> 01:36:09,199 going for something that is 2325 01:36:09,199 --> 01:36:10,800 uncomfortable and also like the visual 2326 01:36:10,800 --> 01:36:14,320 aspect of it um is is helping with the 2327 01:36:14,320 --> 01:36:16,480 traffic coming as well. Yeah, it's a 2328 01:36:16,480 --> 01:36:18,000 different color and you know it's a 2329 01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:19,040 different pattern. 2330 01:36:19,040 --> 01:36:19,920 >> Yeah. 2331 01:36:19,920 --> 01:36:25,040 >> Um other question is um going into 2332 01:36:25,040 --> 01:36:27,679 um so maintaining budget for maintaining 2333 01:36:27,679 --> 01:36:29,679 grass on grass strips. 2334 01:36:29,679 --> 01:36:31,760 >> How's how's the agency doing in terms of 2335 01:36:31,760 --> 01:36:34,880 that kind of maintenance for various 2336 01:36:34,880 --> 01:36:36,719 municipal areas where there's more 2337 01:36:36,719 --> 01:36:37,679 density like this? 2338 01:36:37,679 --> 01:36:39,440 >> Um so I I believe that that would become 2339 01:36:39,440 --> 01:36:40,880 the maintenance of the town itself. So 2340 01:36:40,880 --> 01:36:42,159 we will have to have a finance and 2341 01:36:42,159 --> 01:36:43,360 maintenance agreement with the town 2342 01:36:43,360 --> 01:36:46,000 moving forward for items like the the 2343 01:36:46,000 --> 01:36:48,400 shared use path as we will not be the 2344 01:36:48,400 --> 01:36:49,920 agency will not be plowing that. That 2345 01:36:49,920 --> 01:36:52,719 will be the responsibility of of um the 2346 01:36:52,719 --> 01:36:55,280 town and any landscaping features uh 2347 01:36:55,280 --> 01:36:56,639 would be the responsibility of the town 2348 01:36:56,639 --> 01:36:58,400 as well. 2349 01:36:58,400 --> 01:37:01,920 >> Okay. Um and then one more question. Oh, 2350 01:37:01,920 --> 01:37:04,239 one thing I love the bus shelters. I 2351 01:37:04,239 --> 01:37:06,960 think they're very handsome 2352 01:37:06,960 --> 01:37:08,719 >> and I think they'd be a great asset to 2353 01:37:08,719 --> 01:37:10,960 the town. Um, and then the Black 2354 01:37:10,960 --> 01:37:13,199 Mountain Road spot. So, is that your 2355 01:37:13,199 --> 01:37:16,239 right ofway on that corner of of You're 2356 01:37:16,239 --> 01:37:18,400 talking about the storm water drainage. 2357 01:37:18,400 --> 01:37:20,480 >> The the state did purchase that that 2358 01:37:20,480 --> 01:37:21,040 corner. 2359 01:37:21,040 --> 01:37:24,080 >> Got it. Okay. All right. That's all. 2360 01:37:24,080 --> 01:37:26,639 >> Great. Thank you, Amanda. Neil, 2361 01:37:26,639 --> 01:37:29,840 >> um, thank you. 2362 01:37:29,840 --> 01:37:33,920 So, I'm going to start, I think, off 2363 01:37:33,920 --> 01:37:37,760 what you just noted about the grass. Um 2364 01:37:37,760 --> 01:37:39,440 because one of my questions was about 2365 01:37:39,440 --> 01:37:41,600 trees and so I'm guessing that if 2366 01:37:41,600 --> 01:37:43,040 landscaping features are the 2367 01:37:43,040 --> 01:37:45,520 responsibility of the town, if there 2368 01:37:45,520 --> 01:37:47,440 wanted to be any kind of like shrubbery 2369 01:37:47,440 --> 01:37:51,440 or shade integrated into the grass 2370 01:37:51,440 --> 01:37:53,360 that's the grass paths getting added, 2371 01:37:53,360 --> 01:37:55,840 that would be something the town would 2372 01:37:55,840 --> 01:37:57,119 be responsible for adding. 2373 01:37:57,119 --> 01:37:59,360 >> Yes. Well, we could add it as part of 2374 01:37:59,360 --> 01:38:00,639 the project, but future maintenance 2375 01:38:00,639 --> 01:38:01,760 would be on the 2376 01:38:01,760 --> 01:38:06,000 >> Okay, that's good to know. Um, and has 2377 01:38:06,000 --> 01:38:09,119 there been any exploration of having a 2378 01:38:09,119 --> 01:38:10,880 cover crop that's more durable than 2379 01:38:10,880 --> 01:38:13,520 grass? 2380 01:38:13,520 --> 01:38:15,520 >> I don't have a good answer for that. Um, 2381 01:38:15,520 --> 01:38:17,119 we do have a landscape architect with 2382 01:38:17,119 --> 01:38:18,480 the agency now that has been working on 2383 01:38:18,480 --> 01:38:20,639 many different seed mixtures. Um, she's 2384 01:38:20,639 --> 01:38:21,920 been with us for a few years and she's 2385 01:38:21,920 --> 01:38:23,040 great. So, I could have that 2386 01:38:23,040 --> 01:38:24,639 conversation with her. Um, just to see 2387 01:38:24,639 --> 01:38:26,480 what what is more durable and longer 2388 01:38:26,480 --> 01:38:28,000 lasting. Yeah, there there's a couple 2389 01:38:28,000 --> 01:38:32,560 mixes like low grow uh mixes that are 2390 01:38:32,560 --> 01:38:35,840 more salt tolerant and um you know 2391 01:38:35,840 --> 01:38:37,440 particularly work better in the New 2392 01:38:37,440 --> 01:38:41,440 England you know climate environment. Um 2393 01:38:41,440 --> 01:38:44,000 a lot of times the issue is that with 2394 01:38:44,000 --> 01:38:46,400 the amount of salt we put on the roads 2395 01:38:46,400 --> 01:38:49,360 it almost doesn't matter what you grow. 2396 01:38:49,360 --> 01:38:52,000 It is so negatively impacted by the 2397 01:38:52,000 --> 01:38:56,239 amount of salt we put down that it's hard for things to survive. But 2398 01:38:56,239 --> 01:38:58,239 there are, you know, essentially low 2399 01:38:58,239 --> 01:39:01,360 growth mixes that we primarily use for 2400 01:39:01,360 --> 01:39:04,000 state agency projects that do have 2401 01:39:04,000 --> 01:39:06,320 higher survivability rates than just 2402 01:39:06,320 --> 01:39:08,560 your typical lawn mix that you would get 2403 01:39:08,560 --> 01:39:09,440 at the 2404 01:39:09,440 --> 01:39:10,880 >> I appreciate that because I wasn't even 2405 01:39:10,880 --> 01:39:12,159 thinking about salt. I was thinking 2406 01:39:12,159 --> 01:39:15,760 about uh the water demands of grass in a 2407 01:39:15,760 --> 01:39:17,679 really sunheavy area. 2408 01:39:17,679 --> 01:39:20,560 >> Um if we're trying to 2409 01:39:20,560 --> 01:39:22,159 >> think about the aesthetics of it as 2410 01:39:22,159 --> 01:39:23,760 well. Um but those are kind of side 2411 01:39:23,760 --> 01:39:26,080 points and thank you. So, I was curious, 2412 01:39:26,080 --> 01:39:27,679 uh, the bus pull-offs, right now the 2413 01:39:27,679 --> 01:39:30,080 mover has like short buses. Are those 2414 01:39:30,080 --> 01:39:31,600 going to be long enough for the 2415 01:39:31,600 --> 01:39:33,600 potential of expansion into kind of like 2416 01:39:33,600 --> 01:39:35,440 full width like city buses in the 2417 01:39:35,440 --> 01:39:36,719 future? 2418 01:39:36,719 --> 01:39:40,320 >> Yeah. So, I one thing is that this is, 2419 01:39:40,320 --> 01:39:42,080 as Bruce said, this is a conceptual 2420 01:39:42,080 --> 01:39:44,159 design. So, this is very early. We have 2421 01:39:44,159 --> 01:39:46,800 not gone back to the bus companies since 2422 01:39:46,800 --> 01:39:49,440 the initial preliminary design to talk 2423 01:39:49,440 --> 01:39:50,960 about, you know, the current equipment 2424 01:39:50,960 --> 01:39:53,280 and their plans into the future. We did 2425 01:39:53,280 --> 01:39:55,840 discuss uh the possibility of using 2426 01:39:55,840 --> 01:39:58,000 larger buses with them in when we did 2427 01:39:58,000 --> 01:40:00,639 the previous design. They had indicated 2428 01:40:00,639 --> 01:40:03,119 that it was unlikely that they would be 2429 01:40:03,119 --> 01:40:05,119 switching to larger buses just based on 2430 01:40:05,119 --> 01:40:07,040 the amount of rideability that ride 2431 01:40:07,040 --> 01:40:09,679 ridership they currently have. But um 2432 01:40:09,679 --> 01:40:12,000 that does not mean that we can't make 2433 01:40:12,000 --> 01:40:14,320 adjustments. you know, being so early in 2434 01:40:14,320 --> 01:40:16,480 the process and, you know, this is a 2435 01:40:16,480 --> 01:40:18,880 multi-year process. Um, there's 2436 01:40:18,880 --> 01:40:21,600 certainly opportunity to make those, you 2437 01:40:21,600 --> 01:40:23,760 know, bus pulloffs longer, shorter, you 2438 01:40:23,760 --> 01:40:26,239 know, slightly adjusted a location. Um, 2439 01:40:26,239 --> 01:40:28,560 in the end, you know, what you're 2440 01:40:28,560 --> 01:40:31,520 looking for in an ideal situation is the 2441 01:40:31,520 --> 01:40:33,280 majority of the bus being able to pull 2442 01:40:33,280 --> 01:40:35,280 in, especially that front portion where 2443 01:40:35,280 --> 01:40:38,159 the loading and unloading happens. Um, 2444 01:40:38,159 --> 01:40:40,960 with our wide 5-ft shoulder, we're able 2445 01:40:40,960 --> 01:40:43,440 to still leave, you know, a portion of 2446 01:40:43,440 --> 01:40:46,960 the bus out into that shoulder area and 2447 01:40:46,960 --> 01:40:49,199 still allow vehicles to pass behind it. 2448 01:40:49,199 --> 01:40:50,960 >> But that just feels irresponsible when 2449 01:40:50,960 --> 01:40:52,480 they're going to be in a bike lane, 2450 01:40:52,480 --> 01:40:54,480 right? Like if you just have the the 2451 01:40:54,480 --> 01:40:56,239 nose pulled in, then you're essentially 2452 01:40:56,239 --> 01:40:58,719 forcing the bikes into the traffic. 2453 01:40:58,719 --> 01:41:01,119 >> Well, so at some point there is a 2454 01:41:01,119 --> 01:41:02,960 conflict uh similar to what you would 2455 01:41:02,960 --> 01:41:05,600 see at like a intersection, right? So, 2456 01:41:05,600 --> 01:41:08,239 typically if you were to um I know we 2457 01:41:08,239 --> 01:41:09,360 don't have the slides on the screen 2458 01:41:09,360 --> 01:41:11,520 anymore, but if you if you have the 2459 01:41:11,520 --> 01:41:13,119 presentation in front of you or you 2460 01:41:13,119 --> 01:41:14,800 wanted to take a look, what you'll see 2461 01:41:14,800 --> 01:41:17,920 is often times we have a right turn lane 2462 01:41:17,920 --> 01:41:20,639 >> that uh that we have to provide in order 2463 01:41:20,639 --> 01:41:22,480 for cars to get into that right turn 2464 01:41:22,480 --> 01:41:24,480 lane. You've got a conflict point there. 2465 01:41:24,480 --> 01:41:24,880 Y 2466 01:41:24,880 --> 01:41:28,080 >> and you know without creating full grade 2467 01:41:28,080 --> 01:41:30,000 separation, it's really difficult to 2468 01:41:30,000 --> 01:41:32,239 fully eliminate that. Um, in our 2469 01:41:32,239 --> 01:41:34,480 experience doing these types of corridor 2470 01:41:34,480 --> 01:41:37,760 projects, um, the bicycle users that 2471 01:41:37,760 --> 01:41:40,239 typically drive ride within the roadway 2472 01:41:40,239 --> 01:41:43,360 and use the roadway itself are more 2473 01:41:43,360 --> 01:41:44,719 confident. They they have more 2474 01:41:44,719 --> 01:41:46,480 experience riding within the roadway. 2475 01:41:46,480 --> 01:41:49,280 And so there's a there's a sense of um, 2476 01:41:49,280 --> 01:41:51,280 speed in which if we can slow the 2477 01:41:51,280 --> 01:41:53,760 vehicles down and give the bikes a 2478 01:41:53,760 --> 01:41:56,639 dedicated lane, they they they tend to 2479 01:41:56,639 --> 01:41:58,960 line up and match up on speeds as they 2480 01:41:58,960 --> 01:42:00,880 approach the signalized intersections. 2481 01:42:00,880 --> 01:42:02,719 and that helps a lot with safety and 2482 01:42:02,719 --> 01:42:05,360 they essentially move as as the vehicles 2483 01:42:05,360 --> 01:42:08,320 do. Um, but yes, there is a conflict 2484 01:42:08,320 --> 01:42:10,800 point at every pulloff with a bus and 2485 01:42:10,800 --> 01:42:13,040 every intersection where cars do have to 2486 01:42:13,040 --> 01:42:14,159 cross the bike lane. 2487 01:42:14,159 --> 01:42:15,600 >> Yeah. And I do understand like the 2488 01:42:15,600 --> 01:42:17,679 crossing element, but as opposed to a 2489 01:42:17,679 --> 01:42:19,600 bus that might be pulled over and parked 2490 01:42:19,600 --> 01:42:22,480 for kind of an unsure amount of time, 2491 01:42:22,480 --> 01:42:24,960 especially if there's like any kind of 2492 01:42:24,960 --> 01:42:26,560 >> like wheelchair 2493 01:42:26,560 --> 01:42:29,440 >> off and on happening. If they're only 2494 01:42:29,440 --> 01:42:31,440 provided for the nose to be pulled in, 2495 01:42:31,440 --> 01:42:33,600 that entire bike lane is going to be 2496 01:42:33,600 --> 01:42:35,760 like it's not just somebody crossing 2497 01:42:35,760 --> 01:42:37,679 over, right? It's not just a merge. It's 2498 01:42:37,679 --> 01:42:41,119 a it's a block of a transport lane such 2499 01:42:41,119 --> 01:42:43,280 that they either wait for an indefinite 2500 01:42:43,280 --> 01:42:44,480 amount of time, which we know they 2501 01:42:44,480 --> 01:42:47,040 won't, or they cut or they're biking 2502 01:42:47,040 --> 01:42:48,639 around into oncoming traffic. 2503 01:42:48,639 --> 01:42:50,639 >> Yeah, and that's a valid point. I mean, 2504 01:42:50,639 --> 01:42:51,760 you're talking about the death, so 2505 01:42:51,760 --> 01:42:54,000 understandable what you're talking 2506 01:42:54,000 --> 01:42:55,360 about, and that's something we can look 2507 01:42:55,360 --> 01:42:56,320 into. too. I mean, just looking at this 2508 01:42:56,320 --> 01:42:58,800 the slide and presentation now. Um, the 2509 01:42:58,800 --> 01:43:00,960 one thing we need to just make make sure 2510 01:43:00,960 --> 01:43:03,199 we're we're reaching is like we have one 2511 01:43:03,199 --> 01:43:05,360 bus turn at O'Reilly that if we make it 2512 01:43:05,360 --> 01:43:07,199 deeper, we also have to make it longer 2513 01:43:07,199 --> 01:43:08,800 obviously just to make everything fit in 2514 01:43:08,800 --> 01:43:10,480 and just where that lines up with our 2515 01:43:10,480 --> 01:43:12,400 intersections as well. Just make sure 2516 01:43:12,400 --> 01:43:14,880 that it's all kind of functioning as 2517 01:43:14,880 --> 01:43:17,280 one. Um, but that is still one of those 2518 01:43:17,280 --> 01:43:18,800 definite things that we can look into as 2519 01:43:18,800 --> 01:43:20,639 we advance the design moving forward. 2520 01:43:20,639 --> 01:43:22,880 And I guess I'll I'll caveat it by 2521 01:43:22,880 --> 01:43:24,239 saying a lot a lot of what's like 2522 01:43:24,239 --> 01:43:25,920 popping into my head as somebody who 2523 01:43:25,920 --> 01:43:28,480 grew up in a bigger city where I biked 2524 01:43:28,480 --> 01:43:30,400 everywhere. Um, and a lot of the 2525 01:43:30,400 --> 01:43:33,360 infrastructure improvements were being 2526 01:43:33,360 --> 01:43:39,760 made as I grew up. And so I just like I I have a visual memory of this, 2527 01:43:39,760 --> 01:43:42,880 especially the amount of times myself I 2528 01:43:42,880 --> 01:43:46,239 got hit by cars. Um, 2529 01:43:46,239 --> 01:43:49,840 and like how that that's that's where 2530 01:43:49,840 --> 01:43:53,840 I'm coming from here is but thank you. 2531 01:43:53,840 --> 01:43:55,520 And I had more questions. 2532 01:43:55,520 --> 01:43:57,920 >> So I let's go around the board first and 2533 01:43:57,920 --> 01:43:59,440 then come back. 2534 01:43:59,440 --> 01:44:02,560 >> Um, anyone else? Isaac, Peter? 2535 01:44:02,560 --> 01:44:04,159 >> No, thank you for the presentation. I 2536 01:44:04,159 --> 01:44:05,440 mean, it's really informative. 2537 01:44:05,440 --> 01:44:06,800 Appreciate you coming, 2538 01:44:06,800 --> 01:44:08,000 >> Isaac. 2539 01:44:08,000 --> 01:44:10,560 >> Yeah. Um, thank you as well. Um I 2540 01:44:10,560 --> 01:44:13,199 believe that the there the Brattleboro 2541 01:44:13,199 --> 01:44:16,080 coalition for active transportation 2542 01:44:16,080 --> 01:44:19,920 could you okay let me back up the public 2543 01:44:19,920 --> 01:44:22,080 input just be interested to hear about 2544 01:44:22,080 --> 01:44:23,920 the process for getting that I know this 2545 01:44:23,920 --> 01:44:26,159 has been a long time coming and I'm 2546 01:44:26,159 --> 01:44:28,239 really excited to see this come to 2547 01:44:28,239 --> 01:44:29,440 fruition because I've been hearing about 2548 01:44:29,440 --> 01:44:31,440 it for a while so exciting to see the 2549 01:44:31,440 --> 01:44:33,840 plans what what has been the public 2550 01:44:33,840 --> 01:44:35,920 input process and particularly has there 2551 01:44:35,920 --> 01:44:38,000 been engagement with organizations that 2552 01:44:38,000 --> 01:44:40,159 work with people who are pedestrian 2553 01:44:40,159 --> 01:44:42,400 cyclists. Um, 2554 01:44:42,400 --> 01:44:45,440 >> so at this point, not on our end. I do 2555 01:44:45,440 --> 01:44:48,639 believe that this was presented to BCAT 2556 01:44:48,639 --> 01:44:51,040 at one point. Um, but we can have f 2557 01:44:51,040 --> 01:44:52,400 future conversations that we just 2558 01:44:52,400 --> 01:44:54,000 haven't met with them now. They do 2559 01:44:54,000 --> 01:44:55,600 understand the changes that, you know, 2560 01:44:55,600 --> 01:44:58,000 are being made. Um, and we're open to 2561 01:44:58,000 --> 01:44:59,520 having those conversations. 2562 01:44:59,520 --> 01:45:02,719 >> Great. And along with that, I'm I'm 2563 01:45:02,719 --> 01:45:06,080 interested if there's any outreach to to 2564 01:45:06,080 --> 01:45:07,679 groups that work with low-income 2565 01:45:07,679 --> 01:45:10,800 residents. I'm just aware that my sense 2566 01:45:10,800 --> 01:45:12,719 is that that that 2567 01:45:12,719 --> 01:45:15,040 um probably low-income folks are over 2568 01:45:15,040 --> 01:45:17,760 represented in the the pedestrians along 2569 01:45:17,760 --> 01:45:19,119 that stretch. I think a lot of people 2570 01:45:19,119 --> 01:45:20,880 who don't have cars or don't have access 2571 01:45:20,880 --> 01:45:23,199 to cars are using um walking along 2572 01:45:23,199 --> 01:45:24,719 Putney Road and just wanted to see if 2573 01:45:24,719 --> 01:45:27,679 there was any an outreach to to get 2574 01:45:27,679 --> 01:45:29,360 perspectives of people who'd actually be 2575 01:45:29,360 --> 01:45:31,280 using this investments. 2576 01:45:31,280 --> 01:45:33,360 >> Um well, we're here to get perspectives 2577 01:45:33,360 --> 01:45:35,360 from individuals, you know, now. So 2578 01:45:35,360 --> 01:45:37,520 that's we we don't live here. So you 2579 01:45:37,520 --> 01:45:40,080 know, individuals here do. So that is a 2580 01:45:40,080 --> 01:45:41,600 good point that um I didn't take into 2581 01:45:41,600 --> 01:45:44,639 consideration. Uh but we are open for 2582 01:45:44,639 --> 01:45:46,480 many conversations uh moving forward. 2583 01:45:46,480 --> 01:45:47,520 Like I said, we're still at the 2584 01:45:47,520 --> 01:45:49,119 conceptual level. And if you have 2585 01:45:49,119 --> 01:45:51,040 organizations or people that you think 2586 01:45:51,040 --> 01:45:52,800 we should talk to, um please send them 2587 01:45:52,800 --> 01:45:54,800 my way so we can have that conversation. 2588 01:45:54,800 --> 01:45:56,159 >> Yeah. What would be the best way to get 2589 01:45:56,159 --> 01:45:56,800 in touch with you? 2590 01:45:56,800 --> 01:45:58,080 >> I'll give you my card before I leave. 2591 01:45:58,080 --> 01:46:00,159 >> Sounds good. Thanks. Um and then the 2592 01:46:00,159 --> 01:46:03,600 final if if I may. Sure. Um it's just 2593 01:46:03,600 --> 01:46:06,000 it's like Amanda, it's great to see 2594 01:46:06,000 --> 01:46:07,840 these bus shelters. I know there have 2595 01:46:07,840 --> 01:46:10,800 been some concerns in Brattleboro with 2596 01:46:10,800 --> 01:46:14,639 um bus shelters, benches being misused 2597 01:46:14,639 --> 01:46:18,400 and um drug use happening um out in 2598 01:46:18,400 --> 01:46:20,159 public and that's something that there 2599 01:46:20,159 --> 01:46:22,080 have been numerous concerns expressed 2600 01:46:22,080 --> 01:46:24,239 about that and just wanted to see if 2601 01:46:24,239 --> 01:46:26,960 there were in terms of um safety and 2602 01:46:26,960 --> 01:46:28,880 cleanliness if there were going to 2603 01:46:28,880 --> 01:46:32,159 thoughts about lighting um or I I saw 2604 01:46:32,159 --> 01:46:34,000 there was like open sides so that's 2605 01:46:34,000 --> 01:46:35,920 great so people can see in 2606 01:46:35,920 --> 01:46:38,239 >> um but also You know, I want to It would 2607 01:46:38,239 --> 01:46:39,520 be great to have shelters that don't 2608 01:46:39,520 --> 01:46:43,199 just get taken down because of concerns. 2609 01:46:43,199 --> 01:46:45,360 You you follow me? And I'm I'm 2610 01:46:45,360 --> 01:46:46,800 interested to know what you know, if 2611 01:46:46,800 --> 01:46:48,719 there's materials, durability of 2612 01:46:48,719 --> 01:46:50,480 materials that can be easily cleaned or 2613 01:46:50,480 --> 01:46:52,239 what your thinking is in terms of just 2614 01:46:52,239 --> 01:46:54,000 an awareness of some of the issues that 2615 01:46:54,000 --> 01:46:55,600 have been facing our community. 2616 01:46:55,600 --> 01:46:58,239 >> Yeah. Um I'll let Dennis answer that, 2617 01:46:58,239 --> 01:47:00,880 but I I can't say that there's not a 2618 01:47:00,880 --> 01:47:02,480 risk of that regardless of what we put 2619 01:47:02,480 --> 01:47:04,000 up there. Um, 2620 01:47:04,000 --> 01:47:05,600 >> yeah, 2621 01:47:05,600 --> 01:47:07,119 >> I don't think we have a lot of control 2622 01:47:07,119 --> 01:47:08,480 with that either. So that that that 2623 01:47:08,480 --> 01:47:10,320 might be like an enforcement issue 2624 01:47:10,320 --> 01:47:12,800 moving forward. Um, 2625 01:47:12,800 --> 01:47:14,960 >> it's I mean like you know vandalism or 2626 01:47:14,960 --> 01:47:16,480 something like that like I I don't think 2627 01:47:16,480 --> 01:47:18,239 we'd be immune to that. 2628 01:47:18,239 --> 01:47:20,080 >> Yeah, of course. But I I think there's 2629 01:47:20,080 --> 01:47:22,960 design um features that can help mit 2630 01:47:22,960 --> 01:47:24,239 like what you were talking with about 2631 01:47:24,239 --> 01:47:25,440 with traffic 2632 01:47:25,440 --> 01:47:27,280 >> enforcement actually is not necessarily 2633 01:47:27,280 --> 01:47:29,199 going to like the police can't always be 2634 01:47:29,199 --> 01:47:31,920 all the time staffing every bus shelter. 2635 01:47:31,920 --> 01:47:33,920 Um, so I'm curious about like some of 2636 01:47:33,920 --> 01:47:34,960 the lighting and design. 2637 01:47:34,960 --> 01:47:37,920 >> So we've done um a significant number of 2638 01:47:37,920 --> 01:47:40,639 park and rides within Vermont. Um, so we 2639 01:47:40,639 --> 01:47:42,960 work with the agency to do park and ride 2640 01:47:42,960 --> 01:47:44,560 projects. And so one of the things we do 2641 01:47:44,560 --> 01:47:46,880 is we install bus shelters at park and 2642 01:47:46,880 --> 01:47:50,639 rides. Um what what we've found is that 2643 01:47:50,639 --> 01:47:52,639 um typically 2644 01:47:52,639 --> 01:47:56,560 um bus shelters that are of this style 2645 01:47:56,560 --> 01:48:00,080 uh where they use uh very durable uh 2646 01:48:00,080 --> 01:48:05,280 materials and but also look um you know 2647 01:48:05,280 --> 01:48:08,159 somewhat somewhat nice. Uh I know it can 2648 01:48:08,159 --> 01:48:10,480 you know be obviously you know 2649 01:48:10,480 --> 01:48:13,440 difference of opinion here but um 2650 01:48:13,440 --> 01:48:15,679 providing something that you know has a 2651 01:48:15,679 --> 01:48:18,320 little bit of a visual appeal to it um 2652 01:48:18,320 --> 01:48:21,119 we what we found is that the amount of 2653 01:48:21,119 --> 01:48:23,920 vandalism has actually decreased because 2654 01:48:23,920 --> 01:48:26,719 of the you know the the conditions of 2655 01:48:26,719 --> 01:48:29,199 this new facility. Um we do have 2656 01:48:29,199 --> 01:48:31,760 lighting that you know at these park and 2657 01:48:31,760 --> 01:48:34,000 ride facilities which certainly helps. 2658 01:48:34,000 --> 01:48:36,880 Um, we are very selective in the amount 2659 01:48:36,880 --> 01:48:39,040 of landscaping we install so that 2660 01:48:39,040 --> 01:48:42,239 there's not shaded places that, you 2661 01:48:42,239 --> 01:48:44,080 know, aren't seen from the roadway, for 2662 01:48:44,080 --> 01:48:46,960 example. Um, things like installing bus 2663 01:48:46,960 --> 01:48:48,880 shelters in a particular way within 2664 01:48:48,880 --> 01:48:51,119 these facilities where there's a lot of 2665 01:48:51,119 --> 01:48:53,040 headlights coming through at night, 2666 01:48:53,040 --> 01:48:55,360 people are visually seeing it, there's 2667 01:48:55,360 --> 01:48:57,840 street lamps nearby. Doing things like 2668 01:48:57,840 --> 01:49:00,880 that intentionally helps reduce that. 2669 01:49:00,880 --> 01:49:02,560 Doesn't fully eliminate it. Like Bruce 2670 01:49:02,560 --> 01:49:04,000 said, it's always, you know, a 2671 01:49:04,000 --> 01:49:06,560 possibility, but we've we've seen that 2672 01:49:06,560 --> 01:49:08,960 they they typically last pretty well. 2673 01:49:08,960 --> 01:49:10,560 And every now and again, you'll see some 2674 01:49:10,560 --> 01:49:12,960 graffiti on the glass. Um, but the glass 2675 01:49:12,960 --> 01:49:15,119 is designed to be, you know, cle, you 2676 01:49:15,119 --> 01:49:16,800 know, they can clean it, they can wash 2677 01:49:16,800 --> 01:49:18,880 it, they can, you know, do that. Um, and 2678 01:49:18,880 --> 01:49:22,639 the facilities that are, um, nicer, um, 2679 01:49:22,639 --> 01:49:24,320 and as they're installed, they typically 2680 01:49:24,320 --> 01:49:26,960 are just better taken care of. Um, and 2681 01:49:26,960 --> 01:49:28,880 so that's there there's, you know, a 2682 01:49:28,880 --> 01:49:30,880 desire to do it that way as well. And I 2683 01:49:30,880 --> 01:49:32,320 do want to just add something because 2684 01:49:32,320 --> 01:49:35,600 you did bring up lighting. Um so 2685 01:49:35,600 --> 01:49:37,280 lighting for for us right now is really 2686 01:49:37,280 --> 01:49:39,040 just on utility poles on the roadway 2687 01:49:39,040 --> 01:49:42,000 itself. Um additional features can be 2688 01:49:42,000 --> 01:49:44,400 added like along the sh's path in other 2689 01:49:44,400 --> 01:49:47,760 areas. Um but that is something that 2690 01:49:47,760 --> 01:49:50,639 would be a town um funded aspect. So it' 2691 01:49:50,639 --> 01:49:52,880 be a nonparticipating aspect for for us. 2692 01:49:52,880 --> 01:49:54,320 So we can install it as part of the 2693 01:49:54,320 --> 01:49:56,560 project but that would be a town um paid 2694 01:49:56,560 --> 01:49:57,920 for for item. 2695 01:49:57,920 --> 01:49:59,119 Just want to mention it now because we 2696 01:49:59,119 --> 01:50:00,800 are like I said conceptual level and and 2697 01:50:00,800 --> 01:50:02,320 something for consideration. 2698 01:50:02,320 --> 01:50:03,840 >> Yeah. And to Bruce's point about 2699 01:50:03,840 --> 01:50:05,679 lighting I think you know all of the 2700 01:50:05,679 --> 01:50:07,760 signalized intersections will have ped 2701 01:50:07,760 --> 01:50:08,719 you know we'll have lighting 2702 01:50:08,719 --> 01:50:10,480 specifically for the pedestrian 2703 01:50:10,480 --> 01:50:13,280 crossings. Also those midblock locations 2704 01:50:13,280 --> 01:50:14,800 those crossings will also have 2705 01:50:14,800 --> 01:50:16,560 additional lighting installed just for 2706 01:50:16,560 --> 01:50:18,719 them to meet the state and national 2707 01:50:18,719 --> 01:50:21,119 codes for like safe crossings across 2708 01:50:21,119 --> 01:50:23,440 roadways at night. um you know and then 2709 01:50:23,440 --> 01:50:26,719 we can look at the nearby lights to 2710 01:50:26,719 --> 01:50:28,320 places like bus shelters to make sure 2711 01:50:28,320 --> 01:50:30,719 there's sufficient lighting within that. 2712 01:50:30,719 --> 01:50:32,480 >> Thanks. That addresses the concern. 2713 01:50:32,480 --> 01:50:38,000 >> Yeah, thanks Isaac. Um I just had one 2714 01:50:38,000 --> 01:50:40,320 minor question. We've looked at some of 2715 01:50:40,320 --> 01:50:43,600 this before and I'm excited about it. Um 2716 01:50:43,600 --> 01:50:45,760 the treating the runoff in the storm 2717 01:50:45,760 --> 01:50:48,960 water basins does that mean an actual 2718 01:50:48,960 --> 01:50:52,719 >> is that just treated by passing through 2719 01:50:52,719 --> 01:50:56,400 u like plants etc. It's not actual 2720 01:50:56,400 --> 01:50:57,440 >> treatment station. 2721 01:50:57,440 --> 01:51:00,800 >> Good question. Uh it's essentially a a a 2722 01:51:00,800 --> 01:51:03,600 holding place for water. uh you know, by 2723 01:51:03,600 --> 01:51:05,600 slowing water down, we're allowing 2724 01:51:05,600 --> 01:51:07,840 sediment and and things like that to 2725 01:51:07,840 --> 01:51:10,960 deposit out of the out of the water and 2726 01:51:10,960 --> 01:51:13,679 into a pre-treatment basin like a forbay 2727 01:51:13,679 --> 01:51:15,679 and then collect there before it over 2728 01:51:15,679 --> 01:51:21,040 tops and goes down through a weir and downstream. And so we're capturing a 2729 01:51:21,040 --> 01:51:23,440 lot of that sediment laden water early 2730 01:51:23,440 --> 01:51:27,360 in the basin. Um and then uh there is a 2731 01:51:27,360 --> 01:51:30,000 you know essentially annual or you know 2732 01:51:30,000 --> 01:51:32,639 bianual process where a vac truck comes 2733 01:51:32,639 --> 01:51:34,639 out and just cleans out that sediment 2734 01:51:34,639 --> 01:51:35,920 that's been deposited. 2735 01:51:35,920 --> 01:51:38,960 >> Okay. And so that cleaning out sort of 2736 01:51:38,960 --> 01:51:40,239 emptying out the base and that's the 2737 01:51:40,239 --> 01:51:41,520 only maintenance that we're not talking 2738 01:51:41,520 --> 01:51:43,520 moving parts and corrects and stuff like 2739 01:51:43,520 --> 01:51:44,080 that. 2740 01:51:44,080 --> 01:51:44,880 >> Great. 2741 01:51:44,880 --> 01:51:47,440 >> Okay. Uh Nell, another question or 2742 01:51:47,440 --> 01:51:47,840 another question. 2743 01:51:47,840 --> 01:51:49,280 >> Oh yes, Amanda and then Nell and then 2744 01:51:49,280 --> 01:51:50,320 we'll go to the public. 2745 01:51:50,320 --> 01:51:52,000 >> Um back to the infiltration basins 2746 01:51:52,000 --> 01:51:56,239 because we're on that topic. Um so who 2747 01:51:56,239 --> 01:51:58,719 mows those 2748 01:51:58,719 --> 01:52:01,360 >> that so the basins and all the 2749 01:52:01,360 --> 01:52:02,560 maintenance is responsibility of the 2750 01:52:02,560 --> 01:52:03,760 agency? 2751 01:52:03,760 --> 01:52:07,599 >> Okay. And um 2752 01:52:07,599 --> 01:52:10,719 how deep is the how many feet do you go 2753 01:52:10,719 --> 01:52:12,080 down for the basement? 2754 01:52:12,080 --> 01:52:13,520 >> Typically like two or three feet. 2755 01:52:13,520 --> 01:52:15,040 They're not very deep. Okay. 2756 01:52:15,040 --> 01:52:17,520 >> Um but they're they're large and so 2757 01:52:17,520 --> 01:52:19,599 they're able to essentially the idea is 2758 01:52:19,599 --> 01:52:21,840 that they hold water for up to about 24 2759 01:52:21,840 --> 01:52:22,480 hours. 2760 01:52:22,480 --> 01:52:24,320 >> Okay. And so you have a large massive 2761 01:52:24,320 --> 01:52:26,000 storm come through, you'll see them fill 2762 01:52:26,000 --> 01:52:28,960 up and then usually within 24 hours it 2763 01:52:28,960 --> 01:52:31,520 will drain down to nothing and back to 2764 01:52:31,520 --> 01:52:33,360 just ground level. And if if they're 2765 01:52:33,360 --> 01:52:34,800 working properly, that's that's how 2766 01:52:34,800 --> 01:52:35,840 they're supposed to function. 2767 01:52:35,840 --> 01:52:38,239 >> And the gray things in the design are 2768 01:52:38,239 --> 01:52:39,679 those 2769 01:52:39,679 --> 01:52:40,320 >> Oh, yes. 2770 01:52:40,320 --> 01:52:41,199 >> benches or 2771 01:52:41,199 --> 01:52:45,679 >> That's the uh the gray are essentially 2772 01:52:45,679 --> 01:52:47,679 like a stone wear. It's that's where the 2773 01:52:47,679 --> 01:52:50,159 water overflows from the first pool into 2774 01:52:50,159 --> 01:52:52,639 the second and then from the second as 2775 01:52:52,639 --> 01:52:55,040 like an emergency spillway. So, it's 2776 01:52:55,040 --> 01:52:57,040 just stone. Think of it as like a a 2777 01:52:57,040 --> 01:52:58,159 stone apron. 2778 01:52:58,159 --> 01:53:03,199 >> Okay. And do any communities have um 2779 01:53:03,199 --> 01:53:06,480 other uses for spaces like this, like a 2780 01:53:06,480 --> 01:53:10,320 farmers market or um or 2781 01:53:10,320 --> 01:53:12,560 >> it's not level enough. That's really the 2782 01:53:12,560 --> 01:53:15,199 issue with it. um you know it it looks 2783 01:53:15,199 --> 01:53:17,360 like a large relatively you know flat 2784 01:53:17,360 --> 01:53:20,239 area on a plan but um it grades down 2785 01:53:20,239 --> 01:53:22,560 pretty quickly right off the road and so 2786 01:53:22,560 --> 01:53:24,480 it's not very level. It's only level 2787 01:53:24,480 --> 01:53:26,239 enough so we can get a back truck in 2788 01:53:26,239 --> 01:53:28,560 there and it won't tip over but 2789 01:53:28,560 --> 01:53:30,400 otherwise it's not a place where you'd 2790 01:53:30,400 --> 01:53:32,800 want to like set up a stand or something 2791 01:53:32,800 --> 01:53:35,360 like that because it is on an incline. 2792 01:53:35,360 --> 01:53:38,320 >> And is it fenced in? 2793 01:53:38,320 --> 01:53:40,320 >> They can be fenced in. Uh we have had 2794 01:53:40,320 --> 01:53:42,000 this conversation uh already with 2795 01:53:42,000 --> 01:53:44,400 others. Um we can put fences around 2796 01:53:44,400 --> 01:53:46,639 them. We do know that putting fences up 2797 01:53:46,639 --> 01:53:48,800 is not aesthetically pleasing. And in 2798 01:53:48,800 --> 01:53:51,119 some areas um really the only place 2799 01:53:51,119 --> 01:53:52,400 would be in the corner of Black Mountain 2800 01:53:52,400 --> 01:53:54,239 where there's actually room to put put 2801 01:53:54,239 --> 01:53:57,599 fencing correct wrong on that one. Um 2802 01:53:57,599 --> 01:53:58,960 >> but if there were to be fencing around 2803 01:53:58,960 --> 01:54:01,119 it, which you know we can do, uh we 2804 01:54:01,119 --> 01:54:03,199 could put like um some trees around it 2805 01:54:03,199 --> 01:54:04,960 just so it looked a little bit better. 2806 01:54:04,960 --> 01:54:06,639 >> Got it. 2807 01:54:06,639 --> 01:54:08,639 One more infiltration basin question on 2808 01:54:08,639 --> 01:54:10,480 the way over to Nell. Can you just 2809 01:54:10,480 --> 01:54:14,159 reassure me that these giant flat pools 2810 01:54:14,159 --> 01:54:16,239 of 24-hour storm water aren't mosquito 2811 01:54:16,239 --> 01:54:17,040 factories? 2812 01:54:17,040 --> 01:54:20,480 >> Yeah, that's a great it's a great it's a common issue, a common concern 2813 01:54:20,480 --> 01:54:23,040 for sure. Um, what we do is we actually 2814 01:54:23,040 --> 01:54:26,000 go out, we we do borings and we test all 2815 01:54:26,000 --> 01:54:28,400 the sub material under these basins to 2816 01:54:28,400 --> 01:54:30,400 make sure it can handle the infiltration 2817 01:54:30,400 --> 01:54:32,719 that needs to occur. And until we can 2818 01:54:32,719 --> 01:54:34,800 meet those perk rates, those, you know, 2819 01:54:34,800 --> 01:54:37,119 infiltration rates, we won't install a 2820 01:54:37,119 --> 01:54:38,960 basin. So, for example, if this area was 2821 01:54:38,960 --> 01:54:42,080 all clay and couldn't take the water, we 2822 01:54:42,080 --> 01:54:43,599 wouldn't be allowed to put a basin here. 2823 01:54:43,599 --> 01:54:45,199 And so, we have to demonstrate that the 2824 01:54:45,199 --> 01:54:46,880 soil is good, well- draining soil 2825 01:54:46,880 --> 01:54:48,639 underneath and that water can 2826 01:54:48,639 --> 01:54:49,440 infiltrate. 2827 01:54:49,440 --> 01:54:51,520 >> Early testing does show that the soils 2828 01:54:51,520 --> 01:54:53,599 down through here are very sandy and 2829 01:54:53,599 --> 01:54:54,800 very well draining. 2830 01:54:54,800 --> 01:54:57,840 >> Great. Thank you. All right, now 2831 01:54:57,840 --> 01:55:01,920 >> thanks. Um I was curious the the shared 2832 01:55:01,920 --> 01:55:04,960 pathway leading up to Town Cryer Drive. 2833 01:55:04,960 --> 01:55:07,199 So that's that's like a paved sidewalk, 2834 01:55:07,199 --> 01:55:07,840 >> correct? 2835 01:55:07,840 --> 01:55:11,040 >> Okay. Um so the the idea is that 2836 01:55:11,040 --> 01:55:13,119 bicyclists would be going down the paved 2837 01:55:13,119 --> 01:55:14,800 sidewalk up until the point that the 2838 01:55:14,800 --> 01:55:16,400 road widens enough to accommodate a 2839 01:55:16,400 --> 01:55:17,599 dedicated bike lane. 2840 01:55:17,599 --> 01:55:19,199 >> Correct. We don't have the width. That's 2841 01:55:19,199 --> 01:55:23,520 the issue there. And so yes, it's a it's a sidewalk as you have anywhere 2842 01:55:23,520 --> 01:55:25,360 else in town, right? Used the same way 2843 01:55:25,360 --> 01:55:27,440 as anywhere else in town. Um, there is 2844 01:55:27,440 --> 01:55:29,920 still a 5- foot wide shoulder on both 2845 01:55:29,920 --> 01:55:32,239 sides of the road. So, if folks didn't 2846 01:55:32,239 --> 01:55:34,480 want to and wanted to stay in the road, 2847 01:55:34,480 --> 01:55:36,320 they they still have that ability to do 2848 01:55:36,320 --> 01:55:37,599 that. 2849 01:55:37,599 --> 01:55:41,199 >> Thank you. Um, and I was curious back to 2850 01:55:41,199 --> 01:55:43,840 the bike lanes and kind of intersections 2851 01:55:43,840 --> 01:55:48,320 with other road features. Um, 2852 01:55:48,320 --> 01:55:51,040 I what why do they have to travel 2853 01:55:51,040 --> 01:55:52,800 straight through as opposed to following 2854 01:55:52,800 --> 01:55:56,960 the outside edge? Um, is that cuz 2855 01:55:56,960 --> 01:55:58,400 they're kind of like they have to 2856 01:55:58,400 --> 01:56:00,320 intersect with the right turn lanes 2857 01:56:00,320 --> 01:56:03,280 either way. Um, 2858 01:56:03,280 --> 01:56:04,960 >> but what what's the benefit of having 2859 01:56:04,960 --> 01:56:05,679 them? 2860 01:56:05,679 --> 01:56:07,440 >> Can you tell us what page you're on? And 2861 01:56:07,440 --> 01:56:09,119 >> I'm looking I'm looking at this one. 2862 01:56:09,119 --> 01:56:09,679 Yep. 2863 01:56:09,679 --> 01:56:11,520 >> Yep. But you see how there basically 2864 01:56:11,520 --> 01:56:14,320 anytime there is a widening of the road 2865 01:56:14,320 --> 01:56:16,159 to allow for a bus pulloff or to allow 2866 01:56:16,159 --> 01:56:18,880 for a right turn a right-hand turn lane 2867 01:56:18,880 --> 01:56:21,760 um the bicycle lane continues through it 2868 01:56:21,760 --> 01:56:23,840 as opposed to 2869 01:56:23,840 --> 01:56:26,320 following the edge of the road. 2870 01:56:26,320 --> 01:56:30,239 >> Yeah. So I think maybe a better um image 2871 01:56:30,239 --> 01:56:34,560 would be if you would go to uh I will 2872 01:56:34,560 --> 01:56:36,400 I'll find a 2873 01:56:36,400 --> 01:56:38,960 >> this one. Yeah, this is good. Could you 2874 01:56:38,960 --> 01:56:40,880 go to slide uh 14, please? 2875 01:56:40,880 --> 01:56:43,679 >> Mhm. 2876 01:56:43,679 --> 01:56:46,320 >> Okay. So, if if you see from the right 2877 01:56:46,320 --> 01:56:48,560 hand side, right, you've got a a right 2878 01:56:48,560 --> 01:56:50,320 turn lane and then you've got a bike 2879 01:56:50,320 --> 01:56:52,239 lane and then you've got your through 2880 01:56:52,239 --> 01:56:53,920 lane and then your left turn lane, 2881 01:56:53,920 --> 01:56:56,159 right? So, the idea there is the reason 2882 01:56:56,159 --> 01:56:58,080 we put keep the bikes in the middle is 2883 01:56:58,080 --> 01:57:01,440 for two two reasons. One, um giving them 2884 01:57:01,440 --> 01:57:03,840 a nice straight path, it makes their 2885 01:57:03,840 --> 01:57:07,199 location more predictable to vehicles, 2886 01:57:07,199 --> 01:57:08,960 right? So, a bicyclist that's not 2887 01:57:08,960 --> 01:57:11,920 meandering back and forth, it visually 2888 01:57:11,920 --> 01:57:13,920 you've got more cues as a driver like, 2889 01:57:13,920 --> 01:57:15,599 "Okay, this is where the bike lane is. 2890 01:57:15,599 --> 01:57:18,080 It stays right here straight through um 2891 01:57:18,080 --> 01:57:19,679 rather than meandering away from me and 2892 01:57:19,679 --> 01:57:23,679 then coming back to me." And so, that helps from that standpoint um 2893 01:57:23,679 --> 01:57:26,400 visually for the drivers. Um it also 2894 01:57:26,400 --> 01:57:29,199 makes uh for a bicyclist more 2895 01:57:29,199 --> 01:57:31,760 predictable path of travel. So, you 2896 01:57:31,760 --> 01:57:33,840 know, when there's an unexpected 2897 01:57:33,840 --> 01:57:36,960 situation that occurs, they're they can 2898 01:57:36,960 --> 01:57:38,800 react to it rather than focusing on 2899 01:57:38,800 --> 01:57:40,719 trying to stay along a path that's 2900 01:57:40,719 --> 01:57:43,119 changing direction. Um, so there's those 2901 01:57:43,119 --> 01:57:44,719 are the two general benefits of that. 2902 01:57:44,719 --> 01:57:46,880 The other thing is the vehicles that are 2903 01:57:46,880 --> 01:57:50,639 in the right turn lane, they're most likely going to be coming 2904 01:57:50,639 --> 01:57:52,960 to a stop or slowing down significantly 2905 01:57:52,960 --> 01:57:55,360 before turning right. And so we want to 2906 01:57:55,360 --> 01:57:57,040 we want the bicyclists that are 2907 01:57:57,040 --> 01:57:58,639 continuing straight down the road to 2908 01:57:58,639 --> 01:58:01,119 maintain their speed with vehicles. A 2909 01:58:01,119 --> 01:58:03,440 lot of times the difference in speed 2910 01:58:03,440 --> 01:58:05,679 between the car and the bicyclist is one 2911 01:58:05,679 --> 01:58:06,880 of the things that makes it so 2912 01:58:06,880 --> 01:58:09,840 dangerous. If we can maintain speeds of 2913 01:58:09,840 --> 01:58:12,400 similar rates that gives them, you know, 2914 01:58:12,400 --> 01:58:15,679 a safer ride through that area. So those 2915 01:58:15,679 --> 01:58:17,280 are the reasons why we do that. 2916 01:58:17,280 --> 01:58:20,000 >> Thank you. Um 2917 01:58:20,000 --> 01:58:22,239 >> yeah, my my concern there was basically 2918 01:58:22,239 --> 01:58:23,679 people that don't know where they're 2919 01:58:23,679 --> 01:58:25,599 going and kind of yink into the right 2920 01:58:25,599 --> 01:58:26,320 turn lane. 2921 01:58:26,320 --> 01:58:26,880 >> Yeah. 2922 01:58:26,880 --> 01:58:32,560 >> Um is it possible that when there is the 2923 01:58:32,560 --> 01:58:35,440 advanced screen for pedestrians that 2924 01:58:35,440 --> 01:58:37,440 there could be an integrated advance 2925 01:58:37,440 --> 01:58:41,040 green for bicyclists as well? So there 2926 01:58:41,040 --> 01:58:44,080 are options uh where bicyclists 2927 01:58:44,080 --> 01:58:46,400 depending on the intersection and the 2928 01:58:46,400 --> 01:58:48,560 operations of the signal uh have a what 2929 01:58:48,560 --> 01:58:50,400 we call like a bike box. Yeah. 2930 01:58:50,400 --> 01:58:52,159 >> Right. Where they are able to trigger 2931 01:58:52,159 --> 01:58:55,679 the signal as a bicyclist um rather than 2932 01:58:55,679 --> 01:58:58,239 um but um and we can look at this. This 2933 01:58:58,239 --> 01:58:59,520 is something that you know we don't 2934 01:58:59,520 --> 01:59:01,920 typically designate at a conceptual 2935 01:59:01,920 --> 01:59:03,920 level design. We typically do this 2936 01:59:03,920 --> 01:59:05,840 further on as we're refining the design 2937 01:59:05,840 --> 01:59:09,119 and and things like that. But um Brends 2938 01:59:09,119 --> 01:59:12,159 does do that in some locations depending 2939 01:59:12,159 --> 01:59:14,080 on the amount of bicyclists and things 2940 01:59:14,080 --> 01:59:17,840 like that. Um the the thing to you know 2941 01:59:17,840 --> 01:59:21,760 kind of look at carefully there is that 2942 01:59:21,760 --> 01:59:24,880 um having a dedicated bike box doesn't 2943 01:59:24,880 --> 01:59:26,480 necessarily make you safer as a 2944 01:59:26,480 --> 01:59:28,400 bicyclist because ultimately you're 2945 01:59:28,400 --> 01:59:30,560 still if the right if the light is red 2946 01:59:30,560 --> 01:59:32,719 you have for the vehicles you also as a 2947 01:59:32,719 --> 01:59:35,040 bicyclist have to stop there. And so 2948 01:59:35,040 --> 01:59:38,080 there's, you know, the concern that if 2949 01:59:38,080 --> 01:59:41,199 they have uh, you know, a a phase that's 2950 01:59:41,199 --> 01:59:43,280 out of alignment with the vehicles that 2951 01:59:43,280 --> 01:59:45,119 there could be confusion right from 2952 01:59:45,119 --> 01:59:47,679 that. If there's not a lot of bicyclists 2953 01:59:47,679 --> 01:59:49,599 in that area that constantly navigate 2954 01:59:49,599 --> 01:59:52,080 that intersection. So, we'd have to look 2955 01:59:52,080 --> 01:59:53,920 at that more carefully and see if it's 2956 01:59:53,920 --> 01:59:55,599 appropriate. Um, there are guidelines 2957 01:59:55,599 --> 01:59:57,520 for it that we would typically follow 2958 01:59:57,520 --> 01:59:59,280 and we'd make a decision, you know, 2959 01:59:59,280 --> 02:00:01,679 based on those volumes. And by bite box, 2960 02:00:01,679 --> 02:00:04,480 do you mean um like where there is what 2961 02:00:04,480 --> 02:00:06,400 I've seen at least like embedded ground 2962 02:00:06,400 --> 02:00:09,360 channels that signal a light change? 2963 02:00:09,360 --> 02:00:09,760 >> Okay. 2964 02:00:09,760 --> 02:00:11,599 >> Correct. Uh yeah, that's that's one 2965 02:00:11,599 --> 02:00:13,119 option. Another option is just with a 2966 02:00:13,119 --> 02:00:14,960 camera, which is probably what we would 2967 02:00:14,960 --> 02:00:17,520 do here. We would probably not use loops 2968 02:00:17,520 --> 02:00:19,360 within this intersection. We would just 2969 02:00:19,360 --> 02:00:21,920 use a camera detection for that. And 2970 02:00:21,920 --> 02:00:24,639 what I was um referring to is just 2971 02:00:24,639 --> 02:00:27,040 something I saw 2972 02:00:27,040 --> 02:00:30,080 have a lot of success in other places 2973 02:00:30,080 --> 02:00:32,800 I've lived where there is literally a 2974 02:00:32,800 --> 02:00:35,040 tiny bike traffic light 2975 02:00:35,040 --> 02:00:36,800 >> and they get an advanced green the same 2976 02:00:36,800 --> 02:00:38,480 way that a pedestrian gets an advanced 2977 02:00:38,480 --> 02:00:41,440 walk symbol before the red light turns 2978 02:00:41,440 --> 02:00:44,239 green such that they're not competing in 2979 02:00:44,239 --> 02:00:45,920 high travel intersections with left 2980 02:00:45,920 --> 02:00:48,639 turns like the Hanniffords or like that 2981 02:00:48,639 --> 02:00:51,599 kind of thing. um because generally they 2982 02:00:51,599 --> 02:00:53,760 get they get stuck or they just get 2983 02:00:53,760 --> 02:00:54,639 driven into. 2984 02:00:54,639 --> 02:00:56,080 >> Sure. Yeah. No, it's something we can 2985 02:00:56,080 --> 02:00:56,800 look at. 2986 02:00:56,800 --> 02:00:58,320 >> Thank you guys. Thanks for that's those 2987 02:00:58,320 --> 02:00:59,599 are all my questions and thank you for 2988 02:00:59,599 --> 02:01:00,719 entertaining them. 2989 02:01:00,719 --> 02:01:03,119 >> Great. So, um thank you everyone. I'm 2990 02:01:03,119 --> 02:01:04,800 actually going to suggest that we take a 2991 02:01:04,800 --> 02:01:07,199 five minute recess. Everyone stretches. 2992 02:01:07,199 --> 02:01:09,199 We come back and take questions from the 2993 02:01:09,199 --> 02:01:10,080 public. 2994 02:01:10,080 --> 02:01:10,480 >> Yeah, 2995 02:01:10,480 --> 02:01:11,920 >> that's not the correct time. It's 2996 02:01:11,920 --> 02:01:13,119 actually 2997 02:01:13,119 --> 02:01:14,800 >> 8:20. 2998 02:01:14,800 --> 02:01:16,159 >> The battery and the clock is running 2999 02:01:16,159 --> 02:01:16,800 down. 3000 02:01:16,800 --> 02:01:19,040 >> So, we're going to recess for 5 minutes. 3001 02:01:19,040 --> 02:01:20,080 box. 3002 02:01:20,080 --> 02:01:21,360 >> Thank you everyone. We're going to come 3003 02:01:21,360 --> 02:01:23,599 back to order. We're going to go to the 3004 02:01:23,599 --> 02:01:26,560 public. So Dick and then Prudence and 3005 02:01:26,560 --> 02:01:28,480 then Gemma, 3006 02:01:28,480 --> 02:01:32,310 please. 3007 02:01:32,320 --> 02:01:34,320 » Okay, I have a question for everybody in 3008 02:01:34,320 --> 02:01:36,719 the room. How many was here for the 3009 02:01:36,719 --> 02:01:41,119 first presentation of this project? 3010 02:01:41,119 --> 02:01:42,719 >> I don't think you were here. It was in 3011 02:01:42,719 --> 02:01:45,280 2000. Were you here in 2007? 3012 02:01:45,280 --> 02:01:49,360 >> No, you were not. I was sitting up there 3013 02:01:49,360 --> 02:01:51,840 actually I was on the board and it's 3014 02:01:51,840 --> 02:01:53,679 interesting about the scope of this 3015 02:01:53,679 --> 02:01:56,560 project has changed because it was 3016 02:01:56,560 --> 02:02:00,320 presented to us as safety because one of 3017 02:02:00,320 --> 02:02:03,599 the reasons was the high accident rate 3018 02:02:03,599 --> 02:02:05,679 on Putney Road 3019 02:02:05,679 --> 02:02:08,639 >> and the reason for the roundabouts was 3020 02:02:08,639 --> 02:02:11,280 to if anybody wanted to make a left-hand 3021 02:02:11,280 --> 02:02:13,199 turn you were going to have to go up to 3022 02:02:13,199 --> 02:02:15,679 the roundabout make a turn and then head 3023 02:02:15,679 --> 02:02:17,679 either north or south whatever ever 3024 02:02:17,679 --> 02:02:20,960 direction you were going. So it would be 3025 02:02:20,960 --> 02:02:23,760 interesting to find out why that scope 3026 02:02:23,760 --> 02:02:29,040 of safety, real safety changed. And when 3027 02:02:29,040 --> 02:02:31,679 you said something, I don't know if it's 3028 02:02:31,679 --> 02:02:35,840 a cost uh where you said the right of 3029 02:02:35,840 --> 02:02:37,360 way 3030 02:02:37,360 --> 02:02:40,560 uh with the roundabout project, I think 3031 02:02:40,560 --> 02:02:42,400 there would have to have been a lot of 3032 02:02:42,400 --> 02:02:44,960 negotiating. Was that a big reason for 3033 02:02:44,960 --> 02:02:48,880 the change that's happening? Uh because 3034 02:02:48,880 --> 02:02:50,960 I think that that's definitely got to be 3035 02:02:50,960 --> 02:02:52,719 a concern. 3036 02:02:52,719 --> 02:02:54,239 Uh 3037 02:02:54,239 --> 02:02:56,320 because those are the things that I I 3038 02:02:56,320 --> 02:02:59,599 thought about of why this was and when 3039 02:02:59,599 --> 02:03:02,320 the presentation was I don't think 3040 02:03:02,320 --> 02:03:05,440 Representative Burke was elected yet. I 3041 02:03:05,440 --> 02:03:10,880 believe it might have been 2007 or 2008. 3042 02:03:10,880 --> 02:03:14,159 And it was told that this project would 3043 02:03:14,159 --> 02:03:17,679 start in 2018 3044 02:03:17,679 --> 02:03:20,880 and here we are 2026. What is the 3045 02:03:20,880 --> 02:03:24,560 projected start date of this project? 3046 02:03:24,560 --> 02:03:28,080 Is this we looking at uh 2036 3047 02:03:28,080 --> 02:03:31,280 maybe or later? So I might not be around 3048 02:03:31,280 --> 02:03:33,760 when this project happens which I was 3049 02:03:33,760 --> 02:03:35,280 hoping I was going to be around for the 3050 02:03:35,280 --> 02:03:37,599 first project. 3051 02:03:37,599 --> 02:03:38,080 >> Um 3052 02:03:38,080 --> 02:03:39,679 >> thank you Dick. Yeah. So the first 3053 02:03:39,679 --> 02:03:41,599 question was about the safety and 3054 02:03:41,599 --> 02:03:43,599 roundabout aspect and the second one 3055 02:03:43,599 --> 02:03:46,000 about potential project date. 3056 02:03:46,000 --> 02:03:48,560 >> Yeah. Um so I can't speak for a lot of 3057 02:03:48,560 --> 02:03:50,400 things were said before me. I wasn't 3058 02:03:50,400 --> 02:03:53,360 even working with the agency in 2007. Um 3059 02:03:53,360 --> 02:03:55,840 so safety is still always a factor with 3060 02:03:55,840 --> 02:03:57,599 whatever we do. So that's why we are 3061 02:03:57,599 --> 02:04:00,480 trying to enhance these these signals 3062 02:04:00,480 --> 02:04:01,920 which are not really functioning right 3063 02:04:01,920 --> 02:04:04,000 now. making them all work together as 3064 02:04:04,000 --> 02:04:05,840 that will improve the safety that's out 3065 02:04:05,840 --> 02:04:07,199 there because there are a lot of people 3066 02:04:07,199 --> 02:04:10,000 that are I think rushing probably to get 3067 02:04:10,000 --> 02:04:13,440 through them and and um it's not working 3068 02:04:13,440 --> 02:04:15,520 extremely well. Um another thing I 3069 02:04:15,520 --> 02:04:16,719 believe is some of the turn lanes that 3070 02:04:16,719 --> 02:04:19,360 we are adding in as well. Um you're not 3071 02:04:19,360 --> 02:04:20,639 going to have people queuing in and 3072 02:04:20,639 --> 02:04:22,639 having u you know bender benders because 3073 02:04:22,639 --> 02:04:24,560 they will be able to get get off that 3074 02:04:24,560 --> 02:04:28,320 travel uh travel route itself. Um, and 3075 02:04:28,320 --> 02:04:31,119 also the pedestrian facilities, like I 3076 02:04:31,119 --> 02:04:32,159 said, I think are currently 3077 02:04:32,159 --> 02:04:33,679 non-existing. So, that will be 3078 02:04:33,679 --> 02:04:35,040 definitely enhanced, which I think will 3079 02:04:35,040 --> 02:04:37,840 improve the safety in the area itself. 3080 02:04:37,840 --> 02:04:40,800 >> Sure. 3081 02:04:40,800 --> 02:04:44,400 >> So, if you're traveling north, there's 3082 02:04:44,400 --> 02:04:47,119 actually more right-hand turns of 3083 02:04:47,119 --> 02:04:50,400 businesses on the northern quarter 3084 02:04:50,400 --> 02:04:52,320 heading out. Heading south, there's 3085 02:04:52,320 --> 02:04:55,440 minimal places where you would turn off. 3086 02:04:55,440 --> 02:04:57,360 And so 3087 02:04:57,360 --> 02:04:59,920 when they talked about the project, it 3088 02:04:59,920 --> 02:05:01,920 was trying to minimize people cutting 3089 02:05:01,920 --> 02:05:04,719 across and getting into those accidents. 3090 02:05:04,719 --> 02:05:07,360 What even though you're you're enhancing 3091 02:05:07,360 --> 02:05:10,480 the the lights, that's not doing 3092 02:05:10,480 --> 02:05:13,360 anything about entering businesses along 3093 02:05:13,360 --> 02:05:15,280 the corridor whether you're traveling 3094 02:05:15,280 --> 02:05:18,320 north or south. 3095 02:05:18,320 --> 02:05:19,840 >> I think we are adding some additional 3096 02:05:19,840 --> 02:05:22,320 turn lanes which which would enhance it 3097 02:05:22,320 --> 02:05:24,480 though. Um, like I said, so that would 3098 02:05:24,480 --> 02:05:26,159 get the vehicles off off the roadway and 3099 02:05:26,159 --> 02:05:27,679 having that through line as well. 3100 02:05:27,679 --> 02:05:30,239 >> Yeah. We're also defining the locations 3101 02:05:30,239 --> 02:05:33,119 where those conflicts occur. And so by 3102 02:05:33,119 --> 02:05:35,199 reducing the number of driveways and 3103 02:05:35,199 --> 02:05:37,840 openings um along the corridor, we're 3104 02:05:37,840 --> 02:05:39,760 helping to consolidate those vehicle 3105 02:05:39,760 --> 02:05:41,679 movements. So at the very least, they're 3106 02:05:41,679 --> 02:05:43,920 more predictable for drivers that are 3107 02:05:43,920 --> 02:05:45,679 driving along the corridor. You are 3108 02:05:45,679 --> 02:05:47,760 you're more likely to be able to expect 3109 02:05:47,760 --> 02:05:49,440 where you're going to see that oncoming 3110 02:05:49,440 --> 02:05:51,679 traffic. And with with signals that are 3111 02:05:51,679 --> 02:05:53,440 working well together, what you're also 3112 02:05:53,440 --> 02:05:54,880 doing is you're creating a lot more 3113 02:05:54,880 --> 02:05:57,040 opportunity for people to pull out into 3114 02:05:57,040 --> 02:05:59,280 the road because as the signals are 3115 02:05:59,280 --> 02:06:00,639 communicating with each other, they're 3116 02:06:00,639 --> 02:06:03,520 creating stops within and breaks within 3117 02:06:03,520 --> 02:06:06,159 traffic that's more regular and so it 3118 02:06:06,159 --> 02:06:08,000 creates more opportunity for folks to 3119 02:06:08,000 --> 02:06:11,119 pull out into the main road. Um where a 3120 02:06:11,119 --> 02:06:13,040 continuous flow of traffic makes that 3121 02:06:13,040 --> 02:06:14,960 much harder. 3122 02:06:14,960 --> 02:06:16,560 >> Thank you. And 3123 02:06:16,560 --> 02:06:16,960 >> yes, 3124 02:06:16,960 --> 02:06:18,719 >> follow was was the next question the 3125 02:06:18,719 --> 02:06:19,440 schedule question 3126 02:06:19,440 --> 02:06:20,000 >> indeed. 3127 02:06:20,000 --> 02:06:24,000 >> Okay. Um so right now we're looking at 3128 02:06:24,000 --> 02:06:25,599 2032 3129 02:06:25,599 --> 02:06:31,520 um to get out here. Um because this is a high cost project still um and 3130 02:06:31,520 --> 02:06:34,000 we do have some funding issues that 3131 02:06:34,000 --> 02:06:35,360 we're working with, but also we have to 3132 02:06:35,360 --> 02:06:36,639 get through our process, our rightway 3133 02:06:36,639 --> 02:06:38,239 process, get all of our permitting. And 3134 02:06:38,239 --> 02:06:40,400 even though our our footprint is greatly 3135 02:06:40,400 --> 02:06:42,400 reduced which should help all of that 3136 02:06:42,400 --> 02:06:43,840 there is still a process that we're 3137 02:06:43,840 --> 02:06:44,800 going through with all commercial 3138 02:06:44,800 --> 02:06:46,560 properties that does take some 3139 02:06:46,560 --> 02:06:49,199 considerable time 3140 02:06:49,199 --> 02:06:50,000 >> and act 250. 3141 02:06:50,000 --> 02:06:51,760 >> So um there are two people waiting to 3142 02:06:51,760 --> 02:06:53,119 speak and then it'll be your turn. So 3143 02:06:53,119 --> 02:06:56,159 prudence. Yes. Prudence Gemma and then 3144 02:06:56,159 --> 02:06:57,199 Molly. 3145 02:06:57,199 --> 02:06:59,599 >> Thank you. I'm Prudence McKini and um 3146 02:06:59,599 --> 02:07:01,760 I'm a member of uh Bradboro Coalition 3147 02:07:01,760 --> 02:07:04,239 for Active Transportation. Um and we do 3148 02:07:04,239 --> 02:07:06,639 look forward to sitting down with you um 3149 02:07:06,639 --> 02:07:08,560 you know to review this in detail. Um 3150 02:07:08,560 --> 02:07:10,880 the town met with BCAT I think that was 3151 02:07:10,880 --> 02:07:13,119 in July and we got a chance to look at 3152 02:07:13,119 --> 02:07:15,760 this and um the improvements for 3153 02:07:15,760 --> 02:07:19,199 pedestrians are are uh huge really 3154 02:07:19,199 --> 02:07:22,800 important. Um and as well as uh you know 3155 02:07:22,800 --> 02:07:25,040 an improved situation for bicyclists 3156 02:07:25,040 --> 02:07:28,000 although there probably are some added 3157 02:07:28,000 --> 02:07:31,440 uh u improvements that could be made. 3158 02:07:31,440 --> 02:07:34,639 Um, like Dick, we're all concerned about 3159 02:07:34,639 --> 02:07:37,040 the timing. Um, it it feels like a lot 3160 02:07:37,040 --> 02:07:39,679 of time was probably lost in a plan 3161 02:07:39,679 --> 02:07:42,320 that, you know, um, perhaps was 3162 02:07:42,320 --> 02:07:45,360 overdesigned or whatever. Um, and so I 3163 02:07:45,360 --> 02:07:46,960 guess it's just a plea that, you know, 3164 02:07:46,960 --> 02:07:50,239 if it's 2032, let's make it 2032 3165 02:07:50,239 --> 02:07:51,920 because, uh, it's it's extremely 3166 02:07:51,920 --> 02:07:53,760 dangerous, uh, especially for people 3167 02:07:53,760 --> 02:07:57,440 that are walking on Putney Road. Um, one 3168 02:07:57,440 --> 02:08:01,119 of the big concerns, um, as you're 3169 02:08:01,119 --> 02:08:03,599 aware, I think, is this pinch down area, 3170 02:08:03,599 --> 02:08:05,280 which, you know, is going down to 3171 02:08:05,280 --> 02:08:08,079 Veterans Bridge down to West River. And 3172 02:08:08,079 --> 02:08:10,480 so, is it possible to pull that up again 3173 02:08:10,480 --> 02:08:13,920 and show us like we we were hoping that 3174 02:08:13,920 --> 02:08:16,079 the road would be able to be widened, 3175 02:08:16,079 --> 02:08:18,560 perhaps a retaining wall on the river 3176 02:08:18,560 --> 02:08:20,800 side or something like that. 3177 02:08:20,800 --> 02:08:23,840 >> Yeah, we we we are widening the roadway. 3178 02:08:23,840 --> 02:08:24,719 you are. 3179 02:08:24,719 --> 02:08:27,119 >> So, we are taking the existing narrow 3180 02:08:27,119 --> 02:08:29,280 crosssection and we're actually able to 3181 02:08:29,280 --> 02:08:32,079 provide those wider shoulders. Um, so 3182 02:08:32,079 --> 02:08:33,599 each shoulder is going to be a 5ft 3183 02:08:33,599 --> 02:08:35,440 shoulder on both sides of the road going 3184 02:08:35,440 --> 02:08:37,760 up that hill. Um, where the current 3185 02:08:37,760 --> 02:08:39,920 shoulder is significantly narrower, you 3186 02:08:39,920 --> 02:08:41,440 know, 1 to two feet in some of the 3187 02:08:41,440 --> 02:08:43,440 locations. Um, the other thing that 3188 02:08:43,440 --> 02:08:45,280 we're doing is we're adding a dedicated 3189 02:08:45,280 --> 02:08:47,520 pedestrian path. There's a little bit of 3190 02:08:47,520 --> 02:08:49,440 a path that kind of goes up, a little 3191 02:08:49,440 --> 02:08:52,800 bit of a dirt type path. Yeah. Um, so 3192 02:08:52,800 --> 02:08:54,639 what we're going to do is we're going to 3193 02:08:54,639 --> 02:08:58,079 provide a a separated sidewalk there, 3194 02:08:58,079 --> 02:08:59,760 um, along, you know, with curbing and 3195 02:08:59,760 --> 02:09:01,599 things like that to help get that, you 3196 02:09:01,599 --> 02:09:03,599 know, pedestrian pathway going up the 3197 02:09:03,599 --> 02:09:06,320 hill. Um, but what even with just the 3198 02:09:06,320 --> 02:09:08,480 things I just described, um, we're 3199 02:09:08,480 --> 02:09:10,079 already widening the road pretty 3200 02:09:10,079 --> 02:09:12,480 significantly and having to cut into 3201 02:09:12,480 --> 02:09:15,599 both the the part that drops off down to 3202 02:09:15,599 --> 02:09:17,920 the West River and that hillside that 3203 02:09:17,920 --> 02:09:20,480 we're having to cut into that as well. 3204 02:09:20,480 --> 02:09:22,639 um just to get what I described now. 3205 02:09:22,639 --> 02:09:26,000 >> Okay. So, there'll be um there'll be the 3206 02:09:26,000 --> 02:09:27,280 shoulders the wide shoulders for 3207 02:09:27,280 --> 02:09:29,280 cyclists and then there'll be a sidewalk 3208 02:09:29,280 --> 02:09:31,040 on the west river side. 3209 02:09:31,040 --> 02:09:32,239 >> Correct. Yes. 3210 02:09:32,239 --> 02:09:32,719 >> Okay. 3211 02:09:32,719 --> 02:09:33,280 >> Yeah. 3212 02:09:33,280 --> 02:09:36,320 >> Thank you. Um and then additionally in 3213 02:09:36,320 --> 02:09:39,760 that area, the um traffic going into the 3214 02:09:39,760 --> 02:09:41,280 marina and the office buildings there 3215 02:09:41,280 --> 02:09:44,960 and so on. Um we had talked um with the 3216 02:09:44,960 --> 02:09:47,280 town about the possibility of um having 3217 02:09:47,280 --> 02:09:50,719 a demo project there next summer to see 3218 02:09:50,719 --> 02:09:53,679 how it will work with the proposed plan. 3219 02:09:53,679 --> 02:09:55,599 Um there's a lot of traffic going in and 3220 02:09:55,599 --> 02:09:58,159 out of there and um and there's also 3221 02:09:58,159 --> 02:10:00,719 folks, you know, walking across to the 3222 02:10:00,719 --> 02:10:04,000 uh to the boat rental and so on. So, um, 3223 02:10:04,000 --> 02:10:05,679 we're hopeful that, you know, the town 3224 02:10:05,679 --> 02:10:08,239 and Vrans can, uh, you know, we could 3225 02:10:08,239 --> 02:10:09,760 work with local motion to do a 3226 02:10:09,760 --> 02:10:12,320 demonstration project to see how that, 3227 02:10:12,320 --> 02:10:15,679 uh, turning design actually works. 3228 02:10:15,679 --> 02:10:17,440 >> Yeah, it sounds great actually. 3229 02:10:17,440 --> 02:10:18,719 >> Yeah, thanks, Prudence. 3230 02:10:18,719 --> 02:10:20,239 >> Thank you. 3231 02:10:20,239 --> 02:10:22,320 >> Gemma's next, but I keep forgetting Sue 3232 02:10:22,320 --> 02:10:24,800 wants me to tell everyone that the 3233 02:10:24,800 --> 02:10:27,199 planning department has a giant physical 3234 02:10:27,199 --> 02:10:29,679 map of what you've seen up here. So, if 3235 02:10:29,679 --> 02:10:31,679 you're interested, please just visit the 3236 02:10:31,679 --> 02:10:33,520 planning department in the town offices 3237 02:10:33,520 --> 02:10:35,760 and you can take a look at that um 3238 02:10:35,760 --> 02:10:38,790 anytime. 3239 02:10:38,800 --> 02:10:41,360 » All right, Gemma. 3240 02:10:41,360 --> 02:10:43,440 >> Hi. Uh Gemma Seymour. I'm a member of 3241 02:10:43,440 --> 02:10:45,199 the Brattleboroough Planning Commission 3242 02:10:45,199 --> 02:10:48,800 and this plan has not been pre presented 3243 02:10:48,800 --> 02:10:50,880 to the planning commission. So, I'm 3244 02:10:50,880 --> 02:10:52,639 hoping that you will indulge me with a 3245 02:10:52,639 --> 02:10:55,599 few questions. Um first of all, I may 3246 02:10:55,599 --> 02:10:57,040 have missed this at the beginning, but 3247 02:10:57,040 --> 02:10:58,960 what about the south end of town? The 3248 02:10:58,960 --> 02:11:00,800 original project scope stretched from 3249 02:11:00,800 --> 02:11:02,079 all the way from the exit one 3250 02:11:02,079 --> 02:11:04,000 interchange all the way north to the 3251 02:11:04,000 --> 02:11:06,960 exit 3 interchange. I thought 3252 02:11:06,960 --> 02:11:10,639 >> no, it was the the bridge to the exit 3 3253 02:11:10,639 --> 02:11:12,639 as still we're in the same footprint as 3254 02:11:12,639 --> 02:11:14,159 it was before. 3255 02:11:14,159 --> 02:11:17,679 >> Okay. Um what is the physical and visual 3256 02:11:17,679 --> 02:11:20,000 distinction of the shared use path from 3257 02:11:20,000 --> 02:11:21,920 a regular sidewalk considering that 3258 02:11:21,920 --> 02:11:24,159 Brattleboroough ordinances disallow 3259 02:11:24,159 --> 02:11:27,280 bicycle use on sidewalks in the town? 3260 02:11:27,280 --> 02:11:28,880 And so, Gemma, I'm just going to ask you 3261 02:11:28,880 --> 02:11:30,719 to ask all your questions to me at once 3262 02:11:30,719 --> 02:11:33,040 and then we'll go through them in order 3263 02:11:33,040 --> 02:11:34,079 over here. 3264 02:11:34,079 --> 02:11:35,760 >> Okay. I just don't want people to forget 3265 02:11:35,760 --> 02:11:38,719 the questions. Um, second, what, if 3266 02:11:38,719 --> 02:11:40,800 anything, is Vrans doing to coordinate 3267 02:11:40,800 --> 02:11:42,800 with private property owners along the 3268 02:11:42,800 --> 02:11:44,719 Putney Road service carter to 3269 02:11:44,719 --> 02:11:46,719 potentially redesign access to and from 3270 02:11:46,719 --> 02:11:48,560 parking lots in order to maximize the 3271 02:11:48,560 --> 02:11:50,960 benefits of this reconstruction? 3272 02:11:50,960 --> 02:11:54,159 Um, and fortunately a couple other of my 3273 02:11:54,159 --> 02:11:55,599 questions have already been answered by 3274 02:11:55,599 --> 02:11:57,920 other people's questions, but the last 3275 02:11:57,920 --> 02:12:00,480 one is how is this reconstruction going 3276 02:12:00,480 --> 02:12:02,400 to impact the properties to the north of 3277 02:12:02,400 --> 02:12:05,440 the I91 exit 3 interchange which is 3278 02:12:05,440 --> 02:12:08,079 being re reszoned to allow for more 3279 02:12:08,079 --> 02:12:10,400 housing legally. I'm concerned about the 3280 02:12:10,400 --> 02:12:11,920 ability of residents and workers to 3281 02:12:11,920 --> 02:12:13,920 cross the interchange and safety. 3282 02:12:13,920 --> 02:12:15,520 Roundabouts are excellent for motor 3283 02:12:15,520 --> 02:12:16,800 vehicle throughput, but they are 3284 02:12:16,800 --> 02:12:18,880 extremely unsafe for anyone not in a 3285 02:12:18,880 --> 02:12:20,480 motor vehicle. 3286 02:12:20,480 --> 02:12:22,880 And uh th those are my questions. 3287 02:12:22,880 --> 02:12:25,040 >> Okay. Thanks, Gemma. Um quick quickly on 3288 02:12:25,040 --> 02:12:27,360 number three, we're this plan adds no 3289 02:12:27,360 --> 02:12:29,840 new roundabouts and makes no changes to 3290 02:12:29,840 --> 02:12:31,440 the exit 3 roundabout. Is that correct? 3291 02:12:31,440 --> 02:12:32,960 >> Correct. We're tying in just south of 3292 02:12:32,960 --> 02:12:34,639 the exit 3 roundabouts. We are not going 3293 02:12:34,639 --> 02:12:36,560 to be making any change to that. 3294 02:12:36,560 --> 02:12:39,040 >> Okay. So, the two questions I heard were 3295 02:12:39,040 --> 02:12:42,719 the um mixeduse paths related to bicycle 3296 02:12:42,719 --> 02:12:46,480 use on sidewalks. I don't firsthand know 3297 02:12:46,480 --> 02:12:49,599 the that there is an ordinance 3298 02:12:49,599 --> 02:12:51,360 preventing bicycle use on sidewalks. 3299 02:12:51,360 --> 02:12:54,079 It's entirely possible. I'm seeing heads 3300 02:12:54,079 --> 02:12:57,760 shaking. Um is there a member of town 3301 02:12:57,760 --> 02:12:59,360 staff with 3302 02:12:59,360 --> 02:13:00,960 >> an opinion? It's okay if not. It's 3303 02:13:00,960 --> 02:13:03,280 something we can look up for another 3304 02:13:03,280 --> 02:13:04,079 time. 3305 02:13:04,079 --> 02:13:04,400 >> Yeah. 3306 02:13:04,400 --> 02:13:05,760 we can look into it. 3307 02:13:05,760 --> 02:13:06,800 >> Okay. 3308 02:13:06,800 --> 02:13:08,639 >> Yeah, we should look look into it. I 3309 02:13:08,639 --> 02:13:12,239 think that there that bicycle use can be 3310 02:13:12,239 --> 02:13:14,480 allowed on certain sidewalks. So, I 3311 02:13:14,480 --> 02:13:15,760 don't know if that has to be designated 3312 02:13:15,760 --> 02:13:17,840 in the ordinance. 3313 02:13:17,840 --> 02:13:19,440 >> Okay. And just that I think everybody 3314 02:13:19,440 --> 02:13:20,639 knows, but these are going to be wider 3315 02:13:20,639 --> 02:13:22,639 than typical sidewalks. So, there's 3316 02:13:22,639 --> 02:13:24,639 going to be more room if needed. 3317 02:13:24,639 --> 02:13:26,239 >> Okay. And then I think the last question 3318 02:13:26,239 --> 02:13:27,599 was about how you're coordinating with 3319 02:13:27,599 --> 02:13:30,079 privity private property owners for the 3320 02:13:30,079 --> 02:13:31,599 project. So, we are going to meet with 3321 02:13:31,599 --> 02:13:32,800 all the property owners that are 3322 02:13:32,800 --> 02:13:35,840 impacted by this and discuss where I 3323 02:13:35,840 --> 02:13:37,440 mean we have some proposed access 3324 02:13:37,440 --> 02:13:39,520 management that we are are going to move 3325 02:13:39,520 --> 02:13:41,199 forward with, but we do want to meet 3326 02:13:41,199 --> 02:13:43,119 with them as well just to see if they're 3327 02:13:43,119 --> 02:13:45,040 instances that could impact their 3328 02:13:45,040 --> 02:13:47,599 businesses or if we could close them up 3329 02:13:47,599 --> 02:13:49,199 a little bit more just so we don't have 3330 02:13:49,199 --> 02:13:51,119 areas that are wide open. But we do meet 3331 02:13:51,119 --> 02:13:52,560 with all property owners along our 3332 02:13:52,560 --> 02:13:53,280 projects. 3333 02:13:53,280 --> 02:13:55,360 >> Great. Thank you. Okay. So, we're going 3334 02:13:55,360 --> 02:13:57,679 to go to Molly and then the gentleman in 3335 02:13:57,679 --> 02:13:59,679 the back and then Kathleen and then come 3336 02:13:59,679 --> 02:14:01,119 back to the board because we do have 3337 02:14:01,119 --> 02:14:02,880 another presenter still waiting for 3338 02:14:02,880 --> 02:14:04,560 another item. 3339 02:14:04,560 --> 02:14:05,840 >> Hi, Molly. 3340 02:14:05,840 --> 02:14:08,639 >> Molly Burke. Uh, still representing 3341 02:14:08,639 --> 02:14:10,800 Battleboro for a while. Um, first of 3342 02:14:10,800 --> 02:14:12,960 all, I want to thank Bruce and Dennis 3343 02:14:12,960 --> 02:14:15,760 for coming here for their flexibility 3344 02:14:15,760 --> 02:14:18,560 and really sort of being listening to 3345 02:14:18,560 --> 02:14:21,280 what we're asking. And to Jeremy Reid, 3346 02:14:21,280 --> 02:14:23,440 the chief engineer, he and I started 3347 02:14:23,440 --> 02:14:25,199 talking about this, I don't know, few 3348 02:14:25,199 --> 02:14:27,840 years ago, sort of thinking about how 3349 02:14:27,840 --> 02:14:29,520 much the project was going to cost as 3350 02:14:29,520 --> 02:14:31,199 designed and what did people actually 3351 02:14:31,199 --> 02:14:34,719 want, wanted better, um, especially with 3352 02:14:34,719 --> 02:14:37,920 bicyclists, things like that. So, uh, 3353 02:14:37,920 --> 02:14:40,400 and speaking of history, when I was 3354 02:14:40,400 --> 02:14:42,320 elected, probably it must have been like 3355 02:14:42,320 --> 02:14:45,040 late 2008, right after I was elected, 3356 02:14:45,040 --> 02:14:48,000 Gary Good, who was the owner of, um, 3357 02:14:48,000 --> 02:14:50,320 Friends of the Sun, came to my house 3358 02:14:50,320 --> 02:14:52,800 with a binder full of the plan for 3359 02:14:52,800 --> 02:14:54,480 Putney Road, and he said, "I hope you 3360 02:14:54,480 --> 02:14:57,520 can make this happen." So, that was, uh, 3361 02:14:57,520 --> 02:15:00,480 going in and here we are. But it's it's 3362 02:15:00,480 --> 02:15:02,719 sort of interesting to see. But I I 3363 02:15:02,719 --> 02:15:04,239 guess I'd like to say that during this 3364 02:15:04,239 --> 02:15:06,880 time, um things have really changed in 3365 02:15:06,880 --> 02:15:09,360 the transportation world. I really 3366 02:15:09,360 --> 02:15:11,199 appreciate the fact of incorporating 3367 02:15:11,199 --> 02:15:13,440 complete streets principles into this 3368 02:15:13,440 --> 02:15:15,280 whole project. And complete streets 3369 02:15:15,280 --> 02:15:16,800 meaning that the streets are for 3370 02:15:16,800 --> 02:15:19,440 everybody, not just cars. And so during 3371 02:15:19,440 --> 02:15:21,760 that time, during the 18 years that I've 3372 02:15:21,760 --> 02:15:23,360 been in the legislature, there's been a 3373 02:15:23,360 --> 02:15:25,280 big change, I think, in BRANS in terms 3374 02:15:25,280 --> 02:15:28,320 of thinking about these things. And um 3375 02:15:28,320 --> 02:15:31,040 so I really appreciate that and the work 3376 02:15:31,040 --> 02:15:33,679 that you've done for this and we'll see 3377 02:15:33,679 --> 02:15:35,440 uh how this transpires. I think there've 3378 02:15:35,440 --> 02:15:37,119 been great input from select board 3379 02:15:37,119 --> 02:15:41,920 members and members of the public and we're on this process. Okay. 3380 02:15:41,920 --> 02:15:45,040 >> Thank you. Thank you, Molly. So quickly, 3381 02:15:45,040 --> 02:15:47,199 we have 3382 02:15:47,199 --> 02:15:49,360 um operation on pedestrian pathways. the 3383 02:15:49,360 --> 02:15:51,280 ordinance. It shall be lawful for any 3384 02:15:51,280 --> 02:15:53,199 person to operate any bicycle on any of 3385 02:15:53,199 --> 02:15:56,320 the sidewalks of the town except a 3386 02:15:56,320 --> 02:15:58,320 relatively short list of streets that 3387 02:15:58,320 --> 02:16:00,000 doesn't seem to include Putney Road. So, 3388 02:16:00,000 --> 02:16:02,239 I think we're okay there. Um, but that's 3389 02:16:02,239 --> 02:16:03,280 a good question. 3390 02:16:03,280 --> 02:16:05,280 >> Skateboarding is also prohibitly 3391 02:16:05,280 --> 02:16:07,440 prohibitive. Sorry, it's allowed on 3392 02:16:07,440 --> 02:16:10,960 Putney Road. I would assume it applies. 3393 02:16:10,960 --> 02:16:12,880 >> Excellent. Um, yes, 3394 02:16:12,880 --> 02:16:14,079 >> Dr. Will Foster. 3395 02:16:14,079 --> 02:16:16,400 >> Yes, 3396 02:16:16,400 --> 02:16:19,360 I am Dr. Will Foster. I'm CEO of 3397 02:16:19,360 --> 02:16:21,599 Holographic Technologies, Inc. I live on 3398 02:16:21,599 --> 02:16:25,040 Chestnut Street. Um, I'm very concerned 3399 02:16:25,040 --> 02:16:27,760 about decisions this 3400 02:16:27,760 --> 02:16:29,679 select board has made in terms of 3401 02:16:29,679 --> 02:16:32,240 selecting vendors and people and giving 3402 02:16:32,240 --> 02:16:35,120 and the IT that you choose. I have a PhD 3403 02:16:35,120 --> 02:16:37,040 in MIS from Eller School of Management 3404 02:16:37,040 --> 02:16:39,200 at the University of Arizona. We're the 3405 02:16:39,200 --> 02:16:41,359 world leaders in understanding how 3406 02:16:41,359 --> 02:16:42,800 technology should be applied to 3407 02:16:42,800 --> 02:16:44,960 organizations and communities. We 3408 02:16:44,960 --> 02:16:47,519 invented AI. Um, we are ranked the best 3409 02:16:47,519 --> 02:16:49,120 MIS department in the world. 3410 02:16:49,120 --> 02:16:51,280 >> I'm sorry to interrupt, but you really 3411 02:16:51,280 --> 02:16:52,240 need to keep your comments. 3412 02:16:52,240 --> 02:16:55,359 >> Very specific. I am I have lived in my 3413 02:16:55,359 --> 02:16:57,439 family has lived in Putney for a 100,000 3414 02:16:57,439 --> 02:16:59,760 years. We have woripped here on this 3415 02:16:59,760 --> 02:17:03,760 land for 100,000 years. We believe and I 3416 02:17:03,760 --> 02:17:05,920 can go in many stories, but basically 3417 02:17:05,920 --> 02:17:09,760 these guys are using AI and it does not 3418 02:17:09,760 --> 02:17:12,319 understand our land. Thank you. 3419 02:17:12,319 --> 02:17:15,519 >> Thank you. 3420 02:17:15,519 --> 02:17:18,000 Okay, one more comment from Kathleen and 3421 02:17:18,000 --> 02:17:18,960 then we're going to have to bring it 3422 02:17:18,960 --> 02:17:21,359 back to the board because we're really 3423 02:17:21,359 --> 02:17:23,920 running late, but it sounds like the 3424 02:17:23,920 --> 02:17:26,960 door is wide open for public engagement 3425 02:17:26,960 --> 02:17:29,439 with the team at Vrans and anyone 3426 02:17:29,439 --> 02:17:30,960 listening should feel free to reach out 3427 02:17:30,960 --> 02:17:33,359 to them or anyone on the select board 3428 02:17:33,359 --> 02:17:35,519 for feedback or if you have questions. 3429 02:17:35,519 --> 02:17:39,280 So, Kathleen, hello. Hi, I'm Kathleen 3430 02:17:39,280 --> 02:17:41,280 White and I'm on the Rattleboro 3431 02:17:41,280 --> 02:17:43,519 Coalition for Active Transportation and 3432 02:17:43,519 --> 02:17:45,439 I partly raised my hand to give an 3433 02:17:45,439 --> 02:17:47,439 answer about the bicycle on the 3434 02:17:47,439 --> 02:17:49,200 sidewalks, but it seems like you've 3435 02:17:49,200 --> 02:17:51,120 covered it. It's really the downtown 3436 02:17:51,120 --> 02:17:53,200 district area. I think that you can't 3437 02:17:53,200 --> 02:17:55,599 ride the bicycles. But I had another 3438 02:17:55,599 --> 02:17:58,399 question and it I don't know if it's VR 3439 02:17:58,399 --> 02:18:00,319 or whether it would be our town, but 3440 02:18:00,319 --> 02:18:02,479 Wendy Harrison raised this at one of our 3441 02:18:02,479 --> 02:18:04,800 meetings. There's some beautiful big old 3442 02:18:04,800 --> 02:18:08,880 locust trees along that uh right of way 3443 02:18:08,880 --> 02:18:12,080 in the narrow section on the west river 3444 02:18:12,080 --> 02:18:15,519 side and her fear was that those trees 3445 02:18:15,519 --> 02:18:17,439 would have to come down in order to 3446 02:18:17,439 --> 02:18:20,639 create the widened road and is there any 3447 02:18:20,639 --> 02:18:23,280 way to avoid taking down those big 3448 02:18:23,280 --> 02:18:28,000 beautiful trees? Um so whether if 3449 02:18:28,000 --> 02:18:31,439 someone can answer that that would be 3450 02:18:31,439 --> 02:18:34,479 >> yeah I right now they are are being 3451 02:18:34,479 --> 02:18:36,319 proposed to come down um just because 3452 02:18:36,319 --> 02:18:38,240 that is it as we've talked about several 3453 02:18:38,240 --> 02:18:40,319 times today like that is a very tight 3454 02:18:40,319 --> 02:18:42,240 section through there and any widening 3455 02:18:42,240 --> 02:18:43,679 is really going to be encroaching on 3456 02:18:43,679 --> 02:18:45,920 that. So it's it's really a a hard 3457 02:18:45,920 --> 02:18:48,800 situation because if we are to shift the 3458 02:18:48,800 --> 02:18:50,479 road there we're adding more jogs into 3459 02:18:50,479 --> 02:18:51,760 the road that we don't really want to 3460 02:18:51,760 --> 02:18:54,479 add and more curvature. Um, and also 3461 02:18:54,479 --> 02:18:56,719 there's a very steep bank that we'd be 3462 02:18:56,719 --> 02:19:00,000 chasing a very long ways as well. Um, so 3463 02:19:00,000 --> 02:19:01,359 a lot of these times we have these 3464 02:19:01,359 --> 02:19:02,960 projects, there's trying to find the 3465 02:19:02,960 --> 02:19:05,280 balance of what we can and can't do. Um, 3466 02:19:05,280 --> 02:19:06,639 so we definitely want to make sure we 3467 02:19:06,639 --> 02:19:08,559 get that width in there for the the 3468 02:19:08,559 --> 02:19:10,800 shoulders and that sidewalk. And 3469 02:19:10,800 --> 02:19:12,639 unfortunately, that's just the location 3470 02:19:12,639 --> 02:19:13,679 that 3471 02:19:13,679 --> 02:19:14,160 >> Yeah, 3472 02:19:14,160 --> 02:19:16,719 >> that is impactful for for those those 3473 02:19:16,719 --> 02:19:18,639 areas. So 3474 02:19:18,639 --> 02:19:20,559 >> I think I think the original plan had 3475 02:19:20,559 --> 02:19:22,479 them coming down. Yeah, that it was 3476 02:19:22,479 --> 02:19:24,319 always within the the plan of the 3477 02:19:24,319 --> 02:19:25,599 project from the beginning. 3478 02:19:25,599 --> 02:19:28,160 Unfortunately, uh those trees are so 3479 02:19:28,160 --> 02:19:30,639 close to the road that any kind of 3480 02:19:30,639 --> 02:19:32,319 widening of the road in that area 3481 02:19:32,319 --> 02:19:34,559 immediately impacts their trunk and root 3482 02:19:34,559 --> 02:19:35,359 system. 3483 02:19:35,359 --> 02:19:35,840 >> Yeah, 3484 02:19:35,840 --> 02:19:37,439 >> maybe we can plant some trees. 3485 02:19:37,439 --> 02:19:38,639 >> Yeah. Thanks. Thanks, Kathy. 3486 02:19:38,639 --> 02:19:39,920 >> Plant some more trees. Yeah. 3487 02:19:39,920 --> 02:19:40,719 >> Thank you. 3488 02:19:40,719 --> 02:19:42,719 There was an earlier 3489 02:19:42,719 --> 02:19:44,559 conversation we did have. it' be po if 3490 02:19:44,559 --> 02:19:46,639 it was possible to do a little 3491 02:19:46,639 --> 02:19:48,559 landscaping or tree planting in that 3492 02:19:48,559 --> 02:19:51,520 area and it sounded like it might be. 3493 02:19:51,520 --> 02:19:53,200 >> Yeah, I mean right now there is a stone 3494 02:19:53,200 --> 02:19:54,880 slope that we can al always put 3495 02:19:54,880 --> 02:19:57,600 grubbings on top of and some tubing some 3496 02:19:57,600 --> 02:19:59,040 smaller trees. Obviously they're not 3497 02:19:59,040 --> 02:20:00,399 they're going to be this big but someday 3498 02:20:00,399 --> 02:20:01,840 they will grow. Um but definitely 3499 02:20:01,840 --> 02:20:04,640 something that we can can add. And you 3500 02:20:04,640 --> 02:20:07,600 know we are still conceptual right now. 3501 02:20:07,600 --> 02:20:09,520 There are a lot of power lines in that 3502 02:20:09,520 --> 02:20:11,040 area as well that we haven't figured out 3503 02:20:11,040 --> 02:20:12,720 where we're putting them yet. Um, so 3504 02:20:12,720 --> 02:20:14,080 that's always another impact that we're 3505 02:20:14,080 --> 02:20:15,600 going to be dealing with as we advance 3506 02:20:15,600 --> 02:20:16,800 our designs. So, 3507 02:20:16,800 --> 02:20:18,960 >> great. Thank you. Okay, so I'd like to 3508 02:20:18,960 --> 02:20:20,880 bring it back to the board now. I see 3509 02:20:20,880 --> 02:20:22,880 the hand, but um, everyone's had a 3510 02:20:22,880 --> 02:20:25,920 chance to speak, and I think we need to, 3511 02:20:25,920 --> 02:20:28,880 um, move forward. So, there is a a 3512 02:20:28,880 --> 02:20:32,640 certainly a request to, um, sort of 3513 02:20:32,640 --> 02:20:34,399 officially endorse the current project 3514 02:20:34,399 --> 02:20:37,120 plan. My personal preference would be to 3515 02:20:37,120 --> 02:20:38,960 give the public a little time with this 3516 02:20:38,960 --> 02:20:41,600 and come back in a meeting or two and 3517 02:20:41,600 --> 02:20:43,680 make a final recommendation. I think 3518 02:20:43,680 --> 02:20:45,040 there's a lot to dig into here and 3519 02:20:45,040 --> 02:20:46,560 people are going to want to talk to us 3520 02:20:46,560 --> 02:20:48,720 and talk to you. U but other board 3521 02:20:48,720 --> 02:20:51,760 members with thoughts. 3522 02:20:51,760 --> 02:20:55,510 >> I support that recommendation. 3523 02:20:55,520 --> 02:20:58,080 » I appreciate the amount of time you took 3524 02:20:58,080 --> 02:21:01,359 to listen to concerns and the amount of 3525 02:21:01,359 --> 02:21:03,439 stuff that the reply was essentially. we 3526 02:21:03,439 --> 02:21:06,080 can look into how that might fit in. Um, 3527 02:21:06,080 --> 02:21:08,080 so I think for my own opinion, I would 3528 02:21:08,080 --> 02:21:10,479 be really interested to hear how it 3529 02:21:10,479 --> 02:21:13,280 might fit in. Um, because I'm not sure 3530 02:21:13,280 --> 02:21:14,960 if this is conceptual, how far an 3531 02:21:14,960 --> 02:21:17,280 endorsement goes when there's so much 3532 02:21:17,280 --> 02:21:21,349 more to still be decided. 3533 02:21:21,359 --> 02:21:24,479 » Yes. I'm not sure the answer to that 3534 02:21:24,479 --> 02:21:26,399 question. I think there's going to be a 3535 02:21:26,399 --> 02:21:29,120 couple different phases to this after 3536 02:21:29,120 --> 02:21:30,000 that point. 3537 02:21:30,000 --> 02:21:33,120 >> Yes. Uh just to my thoughts on this is 3538 02:21:33,120 --> 02:21:34,720 that 3539 02:21:34,720 --> 02:21:36,880 we still have you know to try to hit 3540 02:21:36,880 --> 02:21:38,960 that 2032 date that I've already 3541 02:21:38,960 --> 02:21:41,120 mentioned today like we want to start 3542 02:21:41,120 --> 02:21:44,479 advancing things now like looking into 3543 02:21:44,479 --> 02:21:46,160 some of these things can be just a 3544 02:21:46,160 --> 02:21:48,720 change in our next design of of 3545 02:21:48,720 --> 02:21:50,960 preliminary design itself. Um so that's 3546 02:21:50,960 --> 02:21:53,359 not something that we would just stop 3547 02:21:53,359 --> 02:21:55,040 everything you know look at this it' be 3548 02:21:55,040 --> 02:21:56,640 something we'd incorporate with our our 3549 02:21:56,640 --> 02:21:58,960 design moving forward. Um, 3550 02:21:58,960 --> 02:22:02,720 >> but to hit that 2032 date sometime soon, 3551 02:22:02,720 --> 02:22:04,319 you're looking for some kind of formal 3552 02:22:04,319 --> 02:22:06,080 buy in so you can start taking next 3553 02:22:06,080 --> 02:22:06,880 steps. Is that 3554 02:22:06,880 --> 02:22:10,399 >> I do want buyin? Yes, for sure. Um, 3555 02:22:10,399 --> 02:22:11,760 >> this is going to sound really bad the 3556 02:22:11,760 --> 02:22:13,760 way I say this. This is a state road so 3557 02:22:13,760 --> 02:22:15,600 I but I want to be partners with the 3558 02:22:15,600 --> 02:22:17,520 town of Bradboro throughout 3559 02:22:17,520 --> 02:22:19,520 >> as we all do. Um, so I want 3560 02:22:19,520 --> 02:22:21,359 >> I want to make sure that we're meeting 3561 02:22:21,359 --> 02:22:23,280 your goals as well. I just want to be 3562 02:22:23,280 --> 02:22:25,439 able to make sure that we can still 3563 02:22:25,439 --> 02:22:27,680 advance this moving forward. try to hit 3564 02:22:27,680 --> 02:22:29,120 that that date. 3565 02:22:29,120 --> 02:22:30,800 >> Great. Okay. Well, unless there's a 3566 02:22:30,800 --> 02:22:33,040 motion from the board, I think which I'm 3567 02:22:33,040 --> 02:22:34,640 not seeing, I think we'll just thank you 3568 02:22:34,640 --> 02:22:36,080 very much for that presentation and 3569 02:22:36,080 --> 02:22:38,399 taking all that time with us. 3570 02:22:38,399 --> 02:22:41,760 >> Um, and hope to plan to discuss this 3571 02:22:41,760 --> 02:22:43,920 again in a meeting or two. 3572 02:22:43,920 --> 02:22:44,960 >> Yeah. Okay. 3573 02:22:44,960 --> 02:22:45,600 >> Great. 3574 02:22:45,600 --> 02:22:49,590 >> Thank you. That was great. 3575 02:22:49,600 --> 02:22:54,080 And at last, if Ryan is still here, 3576 02:22:54,080 --> 02:22:56,479 >> which he is, I'll invite you to the 3577 02:22:56,479 --> 02:22:58,880 table and we're going to have um an 3578 02:22:58,880 --> 02:23:00,880 update on the townwide reappraisal. And 3579 02:23:00,880 --> 02:23:05,030 Jennifer, hello. 3580 02:23:05,040 --> 02:23:07,520 » Hello. And if you wouldn't mind just 3581 02:23:07,520 --> 02:23:09,359 both introducing yourself for people 3582 02:23:09,359 --> 02:23:13,200 watching um and then uh 3583 02:23:13,200 --> 02:23:14,880 >> Absolutely. Yeah, I'm Ryan Sylvestri. on 3584 02:23:14,880 --> 02:23:17,120 the your project manager for your uh 3585 02:23:17,120 --> 02:23:19,600 2027 townwide reappraisal. 3586 02:23:19,600 --> 02:23:22,240 >> Jennifer Bernell, town assessor. 3587 02:23:22,240 --> 02:23:24,720 >> Awesome. So, in your packet, you should 3588 02:23:24,720 --> 02:23:27,040 have a uh progress report letter dated 3589 02:23:27,040 --> 02:23:29,680 July 6th. 3590 02:23:29,680 --> 02:23:31,200 >> I believe the board in the packet, you 3591 02:23:31,200 --> 02:23:34,000 have it. So, I'm going to read that, but 3592 02:23:34,000 --> 02:23:37,120 I'm going to be amending the numbers. 3593 02:23:37,120 --> 02:23:39,439 So, as we go through the numbers as of 3594 02:23:39,439 --> 02:23:40,319 today 3595 02:23:40,319 --> 02:23:43,520 >> as opposed to July 6th. So data 3596 02:23:43,520 --> 02:23:47,120 collection inspection out of the 3578 3597 02:23:47,120 --> 02:23:50,160 residential parcels we have um collected 3598 02:23:50,160 --> 02:23:52,880 data on 2378. 3599 02:23:52,880 --> 02:23:56,240 We've inspected the interiors of 890 3600 02:23:56,240 --> 02:23:58,560 parcels 3601 02:23:58,560 --> 02:24:00,399 um which is real which is really good 3602 02:24:00,399 --> 02:24:02,080 and the data collectors they have a lot 3603 02:24:02,080 --> 02:24:04,080 of uh cleanup in the tank. So that that 3604 02:24:04,080 --> 02:24:06,000 number is likely over a thousand as it 3605 02:24:06,000 --> 02:24:07,600 stands today. That's just data is 3606 02:24:07,600 --> 02:24:10,319 getting put into the system. Um, 3607 02:24:10,319 --> 02:24:13,120 residential listing is now 70% complete 3608 02:24:13,120 --> 02:24:16,800 as opposed to 50. Uh, we have 1,200 3609 02:24:16,800 --> 02:24:20,640 residential properties left to list. 346 3610 02:24:20,640 --> 02:24:23,040 of which are single wide mobile homes. 3611 02:24:23,040 --> 02:24:27,280 So, those will go really quickly. Those will go really quickly. Um, so 3612 02:24:27,280 --> 02:24:30,240 we're about 50 days um estimated time 3613 02:24:30,240 --> 02:24:32,800 for residential data collection and then 3614 02:24:32,800 --> 02:24:34,399 we'll be getting into commercial data 3615 02:24:34,399 --> 02:24:37,120 collection starting really Jan Jan 1, 3616 02:24:37,120 --> 02:24:39,280 beginning of the new year. Um, we'll 3617 02:24:39,280 --> 02:24:41,520 also be sending out income and expense 3618 02:24:41,520 --> 02:24:44,399 request forms um in January for all the 3619 02:24:44,399 --> 02:24:46,880 commercial properties so that we can uh 3620 02:24:46,880 --> 02:24:48,560 use the income and expense meth uh 3621 02:24:48,560 --> 02:24:51,359 income and expense methodology um to 3622 02:24:51,359 --> 02:24:53,120 valuation for your commercial properties 3623 02:24:53,120 --> 02:24:55,040 throughout Bradleboro. We try to time 3624 02:24:55,040 --> 02:24:56,240 that right around the time that 3625 02:24:56,240 --> 02:24:57,920 everybody's getting their tax documents 3626 02:24:57,920 --> 02:25:01,040 together for for their 26 uh tax 3627 02:25:01,040 --> 02:25:04,960 returns. um taxpayer relations, we we 3628 02:25:04,960 --> 02:25:06,960 are having really good uh response from 3629 02:25:06,960 --> 02:25:08,800 taxpayers in the field, having really 3630 02:25:08,800 --> 02:25:11,439 meaningful conversations, educating um 3631 02:25:11,439 --> 02:25:13,920 as we go. Um so there have been really 3632 02:25:13,920 --> 02:25:20,560 good um back and forth between our field uh uh support and um taxpayers 3633 02:25:20,560 --> 02:25:22,160 of Brattleboro. We've kind of become 3634 02:25:22,160 --> 02:25:23,520 fixtures. You probably have seen the 3635 02:25:23,520 --> 02:25:26,000 guys in the orange vests cruising around 3636 02:25:26,000 --> 02:25:27,680 and we've kind of become fixtures in 3637 02:25:27,680 --> 02:25:30,080 your community. So, um you know, we'll 3638 02:25:30,080 --> 02:25:32,800 be wrapping up the outskirts here of the 3639 02:25:32,800 --> 02:25:34,800 community um within the next couple 3640 02:25:34,800 --> 02:25:37,680 weeks and the last residential mailer 3641 02:25:37,680 --> 02:25:39,680 will really be right coming back into 3642 02:25:39,680 --> 02:25:42,560 downtown um on Western A. We'll be 3643 02:25:42,560 --> 02:25:44,720 really kind of all those tight-knit 3644 02:25:44,720 --> 02:25:48,240 neighborhoods around that. Um so, yeah, 3645 02:25:48,240 --> 02:25:51,040 no, definitely 100% on schedule. So, 3646 02:25:51,040 --> 02:25:53,600 yeah, 100% on schedule. 3647 02:25:53,600 --> 02:25:55,680 >> Any fantastic. Yeah, thank you. Any 3648 02:25:55,680 --> 02:25:57,359 questions the board or 3649 02:25:57,359 --> 02:26:00,319 >> Well, I hope so after 3650 02:26:00,319 --> 02:26:01,280 having you. 3651 02:26:01,280 --> 02:26:01,600 >> Sure. 3652 02:26:01,600 --> 02:26:04,160 >> Great. I uh which again I apologize for. 3653 02:26:04,160 --> 02:26:04,880 >> No, it's all right. 3654 02:26:04,880 --> 02:26:06,240 >> Um but it's great to hear that 3655 02:26:06,240 --> 02:26:08,399 everything's on schedule and seems to be 3656 02:26:08,399 --> 02:26:09,920 going smoothly. 3657 02:26:09,920 --> 02:26:12,240 >> It it is. Yes. And you know, we'll do a 3658 02:26:12,240 --> 02:26:14,560 lot more uh public outreach as we get 3659 02:26:14,560 --> 02:26:17,840 closer um to sending out preliminary 3660 02:26:17,840 --> 02:26:20,560 value notices. And just a little, you 3661 02:26:20,560 --> 02:26:21,920 know, I'll take the time now, a little 3662 02:26:21,920 --> 02:26:23,359 precursor. when we send out those 3663 02:26:23,359 --> 02:26:25,280 preliminary value notices, that's when 3664 02:26:25,280 --> 02:26:28,000 we get that the largest emotional 3665 02:26:28,000 --> 02:26:30,640 response, right? There's going to be a 3666 02:26:30,640 --> 02:26:32,960 bit of a shock factor. Um, you know, 3667 02:26:32,960 --> 02:26:36,399 good deal of time uh 20 20 almost 20 3668 02:26:36,399 --> 02:26:39,040 plus years since the last reappraisal. 3669 02:26:39,040 --> 02:26:42,960 So, right 20 or 2010 2010, I'm sorry, I 3670 02:26:42,960 --> 02:26:45,600 was confusing Rutland City. Um, so even 3671 02:26:45,600 --> 02:26:47,760 still 2010, 17 years in between 3672 02:26:47,760 --> 02:26:49,280 reappraisals, that's a that's a large 3673 02:26:49,280 --> 02:26:52,080 interval. So, um, you know, there's 3674 02:26:52,080 --> 02:26:53,680 going to be consistent increases of 3675 02:26:53,680 --> 02:26:55,040 value that we're seeing throughout the 3676 02:26:55,040 --> 02:26:57,760 state, uh, doing reappraisals. Um, and 3677 02:26:57,760 --> 02:27:00,720 again, just educating folks that there 3678 02:27:00,720 --> 02:27:02,800 will be an average percent of increase, 3679 02:27:02,800 --> 02:27:04,800 that will really dictate that'll be your 3680 02:27:04,800 --> 02:27:06,800 hinge as to whether your taxes will go 3681 02:27:06,800 --> 02:27:09,359 up or down. Um, and that if your 3682 02:27:09,359 --> 02:27:12,479 assessment increases by 100%. That does 3683 02:27:12,479 --> 02:27:15,359 not mean your taxes are doubling. Right? 3684 02:27:15,359 --> 02:27:18,800 So there's a the really um educating the 3685 02:27:18,800 --> 02:27:20,960 difference between assessed value and 3686 02:27:20,960 --> 02:27:23,120 taxes, you know, rendered on that value 3687 02:27:23,120 --> 02:27:25,200 and how tax rates then are adjusted as a 3688 02:27:25,200 --> 02:27:26,720 result of the new gr of your new grand 3689 02:27:26,720 --> 02:27:30,240 list value and correcting the CLA. So we 3690 02:27:30,240 --> 02:27:31,600 have a lot of I have a lot of good 3691 02:27:31,600 --> 02:27:33,200 documentation that we'll be pushing onto 3692 02:27:33,200 --> 02:27:35,280 the website um and getting that out 3693 02:27:35,280 --> 02:27:38,240 prior to notices. Once notices come out, 3694 02:27:38,240 --> 02:27:41,600 we can um all get together and um 3695 02:27:41,600 --> 02:27:45,040 strategize on a response. My go-to would 3696 02:27:45,040 --> 02:27:47,439 to be just to have a public uh Q&A 3697 02:27:47,439 --> 02:27:48,560 forum, 3698 02:27:48,560 --> 02:27:50,240 >> you know, right after. Well, that's been 3699 02:27:50,240 --> 02:27:52,640 very successful because those notices 3700 02:27:52,640 --> 02:27:55,439 will get everybody's attention. Um and 3701 02:27:55,439 --> 02:27:59,120 then we'll have really good um there'll 3702 02:27:59,120 --> 02:28:01,120 be really good attendance at that Q&A. 3703 02:28:01,120 --> 02:28:03,280 Trust me. Yeah. So, you may want to if 3704 02:28:03,280 --> 02:28:06,000 your Zoom cuts off at 100, um definitely 3705 02:28:06,000 --> 02:28:07,760 you're going to want to extend that 3706 02:28:07,760 --> 02:28:10,000 potentially for that meeting. um because 3707 02:28:10,000 --> 02:28:12,399 the last two Dover in Lello we got cut 3708 02:28:12,399 --> 02:28:15,439 off. Um also suggest recording it and 3709 02:28:15,439 --> 02:28:16,880 then we can put it back up on the 3710 02:28:16,880 --> 02:28:19,040 website so that you know folks that 3711 02:28:19,040 --> 02:28:20,640 haven't um maybe didn't get the 3712 02:28:20,640 --> 02:28:22,319 opportunity or if the Zoom does cut off 3713 02:28:22,319 --> 02:28:24,479 get cut off um the recording will be 3714 02:28:24,479 --> 02:28:27,520 there um for folks to be able to digest 3715 02:28:27,520 --> 02:28:29,280 and then we'll go into scheduling for 3716 02:28:29,280 --> 02:28:31,600 our informal hearings where we'll sit 3717 02:28:31,600 --> 02:28:33,920 down individually with everybody that 3718 02:28:33,920 --> 02:28:35,760 wants to come in and speak with us. 3719 02:28:35,760 --> 02:28:36,720 >> Great. Thank you. 3720 02:28:36,720 --> 02:28:40,160 >> Yeah. And um apologies if you addressed 3721 02:28:40,160 --> 02:28:43,359 this already, but if the reappraisal 3722 02:28:43,359 --> 02:28:47,680 crosses tax years, nobody gets 3723 02:28:47,680 --> 02:28:49,520 the entire reappraisal happens at the 3724 02:28:49,520 --> 02:28:51,439 end when it's all complete. Right. So if 3725 02:28:51,439 --> 02:28:53,520 you do my house first, I'm not going to 3726 02:28:53,520 --> 02:28:54,880 have an extra year being 3727 02:28:54,880 --> 02:28:57,520 >> correct. Yeah. Every every value will be 3728 02:28:57,520 --> 02:28:59,920 uh reissued all at the same time. All 3729 02:28:59,920 --> 02:29:02,720 will then be filed for the 2027 3730 02:29:02,720 --> 02:29:04,479 um grand list. We'll be filing your 3731 02:29:04,479 --> 02:29:05,840 abstract grand list. 3732 02:29:05,840 --> 02:29:08,479 >> Fantastic. um members of the board with 3733 02:29:08,479 --> 02:29:11,200 questions and there is no obligation to 3734 02:29:11,200 --> 02:29:13,280 ask just because I said so. 3735 02:29:13,280 --> 02:29:14,479 Amanda. 3736 02:29:14,479 --> 02:29:20,800 >> Um, so this is for residential homes and businesses, correct? 3737 02:29:20,800 --> 02:29:22,640 >> Every part every parcel in your 3738 02:29:22,640 --> 02:29:23,600 community, 3739 02:29:23,600 --> 02:29:24,640 >> vacant land, 3740 02:29:24,640 --> 02:29:25,359 >> farmland, 3741 02:29:25,359 --> 02:29:27,840 >> exempt properties, farmland, residential 3742 02:29:27,840 --> 02:29:30,000 property, condos, mobile homes, and 3743 02:29:30,000 --> 02:29:31,760 industrial, commercial. Yep. 3744 02:29:31,760 --> 02:29:33,200 >> Yep. 3745 02:29:33,200 --> 02:29:33,520 >> Okay. 3746 02:29:33,520 --> 02:29:35,600 >> But not utilities. 3747 02:29:35,600 --> 02:29:38,240 Um we we will facilitate the utilities 3748 02:29:38,240 --> 02:29:39,680 the values getting to where they need to 3749 02:29:39,680 --> 02:29:41,600 go but those do come from the state uh 3750 02:29:41,600 --> 02:29:44,000 tax department at this point. Yeah. 3751 02:29:44,000 --> 02:29:46,399 >> And in terms of calculations with the 3752 02:29:46,399 --> 02:29:49,439 Vermont current use program um 3753 02:29:49,439 --> 02:29:51,040 >> that all happens through our listers 3754 02:29:51,040 --> 02:29:53,439 office once the calculation happens at a 3755 02:29:53,439 --> 02:29:56,399 state level right you regardless of what 3756 02:29:56,399 --> 02:29:58,000 the appraisal is. 3757 02:29:58,000 --> 02:30:00,720 >> Correct. So all land will be valued the 3758 02:30:00,720 --> 02:30:02,479 same. All land will be valued the same 3759 02:30:02,479 --> 02:30:04,080 regardless of its enrollment in current 3760 02:30:04,080 --> 02:30:06,640 use or not. current use comes downstream 3761 02:30:06,640 --> 02:30:10,640 and whatever that their enrolled um land 3762 02:30:10,640 --> 02:30:13,439 value is will then be you know adjusted 3763 02:30:13,439 --> 02:30:16,640 by that state per acre uh taxable value 3764 02:30:16,640 --> 02:30:18,240 that they set every year. So whether 3765 02:30:18,240 --> 02:30:20,560 you're in forestry or a so all that will 3766 02:30:20,560 --> 02:30:22,880 happen the same as it has been happening 3767 02:30:22,880 --> 02:30:26,000 there'll just be um new values new base 3768 02:30:26,000 --> 02:30:27,840 values of which that subsidy will then 3769 02:30:27,840 --> 02:30:32,319 be um you know being factored off of. 3770 02:30:32,319 --> 02:30:33,920 >> Great. Thank you Amanda. Other 3771 02:30:33,920 --> 02:30:35,680 questions? 3772 02:30:35,680 --> 02:30:36,640 >> Yes. No. 3773 02:30:36,640 --> 02:30:40,160 >> Um I have one that's 3774 02:30:40,160 --> 02:30:43,280 more for personal curiosity. Um I I just 3775 02:30:43,280 --> 02:30:46,399 I live in an apartment downtown. Um 3776 02:30:46,399 --> 02:30:47,920 >> and it's this is like a residential 3777 02:30:47,920 --> 02:30:50,880 building. It's not a high-rise, but did 3778 02:30:50,880 --> 02:30:52,479 like do the cards get sent out to the 3779 02:30:52,479 --> 02:30:53,760 property owners? Because I don't think 3780 02:30:53,760 --> 02:30:55,680 we've ever we had anybody like knock on 3781 02:30:55,680 --> 02:30:58,000 our doors, ask to come in or anything. 3782 02:30:58,000 --> 02:31:00,319 >> Yep. So, we do send everything to the 3783 02:31:00,319 --> 02:31:01,600 property owners because those are the 3784 02:31:01,600 --> 02:31:03,760 addresses we have on file. In the 3785 02:31:03,760 --> 02:31:06,000 letters that we send to them, we do make 3786 02:31:06,000 --> 02:31:07,760 them aware that they need to make their 3787 02:31:07,760 --> 02:31:10,479 tenants aware of the process um and 3788 02:31:10,479 --> 02:31:12,880 schedule appointments with us. But when 3789 02:31:12,880 --> 02:31:15,439 multi-tenant buildings, so if you are we 3790 02:31:15,439 --> 02:31:18,080 those will be done last with commercial 3791 02:31:18,080 --> 02:31:20,160 if you are in a uh you know in a 3792 02:31:20,160 --> 02:31:22,399 building greater than four units, but we 3793 02:31:22,399 --> 02:31:25,760 will be reclassifying some as we go. Um, 3794 02:31:25,760 --> 02:31:28,000 so but yeah, we typically when we do 3795 02:31:28,000 --> 02:31:30,479 multi multi-tenant homes, we'll try to 3796 02:31:30,479 --> 02:31:33,920 knock on a door that looks like it's 3797 02:31:33,920 --> 02:31:35,760 going to get an answer and just 3798 02:31:35,760 --> 02:31:38,640 basically make our presence known. um 3799 02:31:38,640 --> 02:31:41,359 leave a tag at that door, you know. And 3800 02:31:41,359 --> 02:31:43,120 basically we really though on 3801 02:31:43,120 --> 02:31:47,439 multi-tenant buildings count on the um 3802 02:31:47,439 --> 02:31:51,040 homeowner, the property owner relaying 3803 02:31:51,040 --> 02:31:53,359 this process to their tenants because 3804 02:31:53,359 --> 02:31:57,280 again the municipality in no way has any 3805 02:31:57,280 --> 02:31:59,600 record of like tenants in buildings for 3806 02:31:59,600 --> 02:32:02,479 us to send you notification. Um but we 3807 02:32:02,479 --> 02:32:04,800 can definitely do things like this, you 3808 02:32:04,800 --> 02:32:06,240 know, blast it out on the on the 3809 02:32:06,240 --> 02:32:08,000 website. um you know, you see the guys 3810 02:32:08,000 --> 02:32:10,319 walking around town. Um so, you know, 3811 02:32:10,319 --> 02:32:12,479 again, we kind of become, you know, oh 3812 02:32:12,479 --> 02:32:14,479 yeah, we've been watching you work down 3813 02:32:14,479 --> 02:32:16,000 the street. You know, we saw you coming 3814 02:32:16,000 --> 02:32:19,120 type of thing. And we won't go in any 3815 02:32:19,120 --> 02:32:20,960 multi-tenant any of the units without 3816 02:32:20,960 --> 02:32:23,200 the owner's permission. Um and then 3817 02:32:23,200 --> 02:32:25,760 obviously giving tenants 48 hours notice 3818 02:32:25,760 --> 02:32:28,319 prior to any interior inspection 3819 02:32:28,319 --> 02:32:29,439 >> as well. Yeah. 3820 02:32:29,439 --> 02:32:31,200 >> I I was at the meeting that you came to 3821 02:32:31,200 --> 02:32:32,800 on November 20th, which was really 3822 02:32:32,800 --> 02:32:34,479 thorough and helpful. It was it was 3823 02:32:34,479 --> 02:32:36,240 largely curiosity because I was like I 3824 02:32:36,240 --> 02:32:37,920 don't think we got any knocks. 3825 02:32:37,920 --> 02:32:38,560 >> Um but 3826 02:32:38,560 --> 02:32:40,160 >> you may you might not have you might not 3827 02:32:40,160 --> 02:32:41,600 have. Yeah. Sometimes the guys will 3828 02:32:41,600 --> 02:32:43,520 again they'll kind of we get we kind of 3829 02:32:43,520 --> 02:32:45,760 train them to pick the door that looks 3830 02:32:45,760 --> 02:32:47,359 like we're going to get an answer from 3831 02:32:47,359 --> 02:32:49,040 or has the most activity. We're not 3832 02:32:49,040 --> 02:32:51,120 likely going to walk up on second or 3833 02:32:51,120 --> 02:32:54,000 third story you know exterior egresses. 3834 02:32:54,000 --> 02:32:55,680 Um you know unless it's unless it's 3835 02:32:55,680 --> 02:32:57,840 absolutely necessary. So, as well as 3836 02:32:57,840 --> 02:32:59,520 going out and collecting data and being 3837 02:32:59,520 --> 02:33:01,520 thorough, we always try to mitigate risk 3838 02:33:01,520 --> 02:33:04,000 as well of our of our staff in the 3839 02:33:04,000 --> 02:33:04,720 field. 3840 02:33:04,720 --> 02:33:06,880 >> Thank you. Um, and then I was just 3841 02:33:06,880 --> 02:33:09,760 looking at the notes I took from the 3842 02:33:09,760 --> 02:33:11,680 last time you guys came around and so 3843 02:33:11,680 --> 02:33:13,520 the informal sitdowns that you just 3844 02:33:13,520 --> 02:33:16,960 referenced or that said you had said 3845 02:33:16,960 --> 02:33:18,800 that informational hearings would be 3846 02:33:18,800 --> 02:33:21,200 offered ahead of the appeals process. 3847 02:33:21,200 --> 02:33:22,880 Um, and I have written down so there 3848 02:33:22,880 --> 02:33:24,399 will be three levels instead of four 3849 02:33:24,399 --> 02:33:26,319 levels of appeal. But the informational 3850 02:33:26,319 --> 02:33:27,680 hearing is what we're talking about like 3851 02:33:27,680 --> 02:33:29,120 a Zoom Q&A. 3852 02:33:29,120 --> 02:33:31,120 >> Well, so the I would even say like the 3853 02:33:31,120 --> 02:33:33,760 Zoom Q&A would be ahead of those 3854 02:33:33,760 --> 02:33:35,520 informational hearings where we do the 3855 02:33:35,520 --> 02:33:38,000 direct sitdowns. So that's really to 3856 02:33:38,000 --> 02:33:41,760 kind of um absorb again like and I say 3857 02:33:41,760 --> 02:33:43,840 it this way very specifically the 3858 02:33:43,840 --> 02:33:45,840 emotional response from those initial 3859 02:33:45,840 --> 02:33:49,200 letters. My assessment went from 110,000 3860 02:33:49,200 --> 02:33:51,040 to 350,000. 3861 02:33:51,040 --> 02:33:52,720 Right? What does this mean? Now this 3862 02:33:52,720 --> 02:33:54,080 information's been out there. we'll get 3863 02:33:54,080 --> 02:33:56,240 it out there more but be able to answer 3864 02:33:56,240 --> 02:33:58,640 those questions with the actual 3865 02:33:58,640 --> 02:34:00,319 statistics the result of the 3866 02:34:00,319 --> 02:34:02,160 reappraisal. So with knowing what the 3867 02:34:02,160 --> 02:34:04,560 average percent change is. So and again 3868 02:34:04,560 --> 02:34:06,479 because that is really the benchmark as 3869 02:34:06,479 --> 02:34:09,040 to whether or not your taxes will go up 3870 02:34:09,040 --> 02:34:11,600 down or stay the same is if the average 3871 02:34:11,600 --> 02:34:13,359 percent of change or the grand list 3872 02:34:13,359 --> 02:34:17,920 change is plus 70% plus 90% and you go 3873 02:34:17,920 --> 02:34:21,200 up at that rate you're going up with the 3874 02:34:21,200 --> 02:34:23,120 average. So, your slice of the pie has 3875 02:34:23,120 --> 02:34:26,399 stayed the same, right? If you go up 3876 02:34:26,399 --> 02:34:29,600 20%, the reappraisal was for you. Your 3877 02:34:29,600 --> 02:34:32,240 value was already either overstated or 3878 02:34:32,240 --> 02:34:34,479 you had far lesser of a gap between your 3879 02:34:34,479 --> 02:34:36,720 assessment and market value. If your 3880 02:34:36,720 --> 02:34:39,520 value goes up, if the average was 70 90% 3881 02:34:39,520 --> 02:34:42,560 and you go up 200%, your taxes will go 3882 02:34:42,560 --> 02:34:45,920 up. And that's why we do reappraisal is 3883 02:34:45,920 --> 02:34:48,560 for that equalization, right? So again, 3884 02:34:48,560 --> 02:34:50,800 there's there's no it's it's math when 3885 02:34:50,800 --> 02:34:53,040 it comes to that, but correcting the CLA 3886 02:34:53,040 --> 02:34:56,720 will be is always to me the biggest 3887 02:34:56,720 --> 02:34:59,359 benefit to a community because the CLA 3888 02:34:59,359 --> 02:35:01,920 when it the CLA affects your assessment 3889 02:35:01,920 --> 02:35:04,160 and creates that equalized educational 3890 02:35:04,160 --> 02:35:06,479 um tax value. 3891 02:35:06,479 --> 02:35:08,000 >> What you say with CLA again? 3892 02:35:08,000 --> 02:35:10,240 >> Common level of appraisal. So that's the 3893 02:35:10,240 --> 02:35:12,160 statistic of accuracy that the state 3894 02:35:12,160 --> 02:35:15,200 uses um in between reappraisal to adjust 3895 02:35:15,200 --> 02:35:17,120 your town's grand list to the 3896 02:35:17,120 --> 02:35:18,640 educational grand list to maintain 3897 02:35:18,640 --> 02:35:20,080 equity town to town throughout the 3898 02:35:20,080 --> 02:35:23,120 state. So they'll look at how far off 3899 02:35:23,120 --> 02:35:24,960 are your sale prices from your current 3900 02:35:24,960 --> 02:35:26,800 assessments and they'll take an average 3901 02:35:26,800 --> 02:35:29,840 of all those ratios and then they'll 3902 02:35:29,840 --> 02:35:32,399 adjust everybody's assessment by that 3903 02:35:32,399 --> 02:35:34,800 percentage in Brattleboro and then the t 3904 02:35:34,800 --> 02:35:36,880 the educational tax rates apply to that 3905 02:35:36,880 --> 02:35:40,080 value. So that's so when you have those 3906 02:35:40,080 --> 02:35:42,800 umbrella style adjustments that's very 3907 02:35:42,800 --> 02:35:46,240 regressive. It's not it it really it 3908 02:35:46,240 --> 02:35:49,120 typically is going to overvalue the 3909 02:35:49,120 --> 02:35:51,840 lesser valued properties and it's not 3910 02:35:51,840 --> 02:35:53,600 going to increase the value enough of 3911 02:35:53,600 --> 02:35:55,520 the higher valued properties to get that 3912 02:35:55,520 --> 02:35:58,399 two that true equalization that we are 3913 02:35:58,399 --> 02:35:59,439 going to be getting through the 3914 02:35:59,439 --> 02:36:02,640 reappraisal process. 3915 02:36:02,640 --> 02:36:04,399 >> Great. Thank you. And I just want to 3916 02:36:04,399 --> 02:36:06,560 confirm because people ask me about this 3917 02:36:06,560 --> 02:36:08,160 or they like you said they have 3918 02:36:08,160 --> 02:36:10,640 emotional fears ahead of time. Um but 3919 02:36:10,640 --> 02:36:13,760 what I had taken down back in November 3920 02:36:13,760 --> 02:36:17,200 was the three kind of main actual like 3921 02:36:17,200 --> 02:36:18,960 uh 3922 02:36:18,960 --> 02:36:21,280 relevant appeal points are my assessment 3923 02:36:21,280 --> 02:36:23,359 does not equal fair market value based 3924 02:36:23,359 --> 02:36:25,359 on these comparable sales in the area. 3925 02:36:25,359 --> 02:36:27,200 My current assessment is not equitable 3926 02:36:27,200 --> 02:36:29,520 based on similar properties or there are 3927 02:36:29,520 --> 02:36:31,439 mistakes that are incorrect facts on 3928 02:36:31,439 --> 02:36:33,120 like the town record card. Yep. 3929 02:36:33,120 --> 02:36:34,240 >> Yeah. Those are kind of the three 3930 02:36:34,240 --> 02:36:36,080 basises and then opinions outside of 3931 02:36:36,080 --> 02:36:38,720 that are much less likely to hold water. 3932 02:36:38,720 --> 02:36:40,560 >> Well, so I mean it's something if if 3933 02:36:40,560 --> 02:36:42,319 we're having in an informal hearing or 3934 02:36:42,319 --> 02:36:43,920 even a formal grievance about your 3935 02:36:43,920 --> 02:36:46,640 assessed value and the conversation is 3936 02:36:46,640 --> 02:36:48,960 more of like a philosophical 3937 02:36:48,960 --> 02:36:51,439 conversation about taxation. I can't 3938 02:36:51,439 --> 02:36:53,520 help you. Help me help you. Right? Give 3939 02:36:53,520 --> 02:36:55,200 me something about your house. Is your 3940 02:36:55,200 --> 02:36:57,600 foundation cracked? Is do you think your 3941 02:36:57,600 --> 02:36:59,120 values way out of water? Do you have 3942 02:36:59,120 --> 02:37:01,040 covenant restrictions? you know, things 3943 02:37:01,040 --> 02:37:02,479 that would actually affect your 3944 02:37:02,479 --> 02:37:04,399 assessment. And that's what we try to 3945 02:37:04,399 --> 02:37:06,960 educate to guide people to because we 3946 02:37:06,960 --> 02:37:09,600 set up these 15inute appointments and we 3947 02:37:09,600 --> 02:37:11,840 typically take the time that it needs um 3948 02:37:11,840 --> 02:37:13,439 because we we run we'll be running 3949 02:37:13,439 --> 02:37:16,880 probably five six stations. Um we want 3950 02:37:16,880 --> 02:37:18,640 those 15 minutes to be as productive 3951 02:37:18,640 --> 02:37:21,280 with the taxpayer as possible. So we may 3952 02:37:21,280 --> 02:37:23,600 let them vent for three, five minutes, 3953 02:37:23,600 --> 02:37:25,280 right? You know, like get it out. That's 3954 02:37:25,280 --> 02:37:27,120 fine. But then we definitely want to try 3955 02:37:27,120 --> 02:37:29,280 to redirect the conversation to having a 3956 02:37:29,280 --> 02:37:32,000 meaning meaningful one so that I can get 3957 02:37:32,000 --> 02:37:34,880 extract information from the taxpayer as 3958 02:37:34,880 --> 02:37:36,399 to reasons why their assessment should 3959 02:37:36,399 --> 02:37:38,479 be changed or why we might be wrong or 3960 02:37:38,479 --> 02:37:41,840 you know so on so forth. But um you know 3961 02:37:41,840 --> 02:37:43,840 it is it is real tough you know and this 3962 02:37:43,840 --> 02:37:45,359 is typically gets down the line like 3963 02:37:45,359 --> 02:37:46,800 board of civil authority appeals and 3964 02:37:46,800 --> 02:37:48,479 stuff when you kind of have you know 3965 02:37:48,479 --> 02:37:50,319 grandstanding you know you hear to talk 3966 02:37:50,319 --> 02:37:52,479 about an assessment but really we're 3967 02:37:52,479 --> 02:37:54,160 grandstanding about you know overall 3968 02:37:54,160 --> 02:37:57,280 taxation educational act 60 this that 3969 02:37:57,280 --> 02:37:59,439 the other beginning middle and end of my 3970 02:37:59,439 --> 02:38:01,200 job is fair market value for every 3971 02:38:01,200 --> 02:38:03,920 parcel in your community beginning 3972 02:38:03,920 --> 02:38:05,600 middle and end of my job is that so 3973 02:38:05,600 --> 02:38:06,880 that's what we want to just direct 3974 02:38:06,880 --> 02:38:09,760 people to speak to us about I'll have 3975 02:38:09,760 --> 02:38:11,520 those philosophical conversations with 3976 02:38:11,520 --> 02:38:13,200 you and we could probably get really 3977 02:38:13,200 --> 02:38:17,280 deep in the weeds, but it's just when we have that time, we want to make 3978 02:38:17,280 --> 02:38:19,120 it as productive as possible for for the 3979 02:38:19,120 --> 02:38:20,080 taxpayer. 3980 02:38:20,080 --> 02:38:21,120 >> Thank you. 3981 02:38:21,120 --> 02:38:23,120 >> Yeah. Great. Thank you. Other questions 3982 02:38:23,120 --> 02:38:25,280 from the board? 3983 02:38:25,280 --> 02:38:27,439 >> So, I'm seeing on the town website, 3984 02:38:27,439 --> 02:38:30,319 rattlero.gov reappraisal, there's really 3985 02:38:30,319 --> 02:38:33,760 helpful information um with a list of a 3986 02:38:33,760 --> 02:38:36,319 whole bunch of questions and answers. 3987 02:38:36,319 --> 02:38:38,479 One question that I have is if somebody 3988 02:38:38,479 --> 02:38:41,280 missed, you know, they got a letter or 3989 02:38:41,280 --> 02:38:42,720 they talked to someone and then they 3990 02:38:42,720 --> 02:38:46,080 lost the card, how do they take how are 3991 02:38:46,080 --> 02:38:48,160 they how can they be proactive in terms 3992 02:38:48,160 --> 02:38:49,439 of making an appointment? Do they have 3993 02:38:49,439 --> 02:38:51,439 to call the assessor's office? 3994 02:38:51,439 --> 02:38:52,560 >> Yeah, they can reach out to the 3995 02:38:52,560 --> 02:38:54,960 assessor's office and we can schedule an 3996 02:38:54,960 --> 02:38:56,640 appointment. Um the other thing that 3997 02:38:56,640 --> 02:38:58,800 will be happening this winter um is when 3998 02:38:58,800 --> 02:39:00,640 we finish all the residential initial 3999 02:39:00,640 --> 02:39:02,399 listing, we're going to send out 4000 02:39:02,399 --> 02:39:04,399 reinspection letters to everybody whose 4001 02:39:04,399 --> 02:39:06,800 homes we haven't been able to um get 4002 02:39:06,800 --> 02:39:08,960 entry to or we've or we haven't been 4003 02:39:08,960 --> 02:39:10,479 able to gain access to to kind of give 4004 02:39:10,479 --> 02:39:12,800 them that one last chance to schedule an 4005 02:39:12,800 --> 02:39:14,479 appointment. And those typically that 4006 02:39:14,479 --> 02:39:16,160 typically reads like we're sorry if 4007 02:39:16,160 --> 02:39:17,120 we've been trying to schedule 4008 02:39:17,120 --> 02:39:18,319 appointment up to this date and it 4009 02:39:18,319 --> 02:39:20,800 hasn't worked, you know. So, we'll have, 4010 02:39:20,800 --> 02:39:22,399 you know, full weeks of appointment 4011 02:39:22,399 --> 02:39:24,640 schedules available to folks at the end 4012 02:39:24,640 --> 02:39:26,399 to kind of wrap up that interior 4013 02:39:26,399 --> 02:39:28,160 inspection process for the residential 4014 02:39:28,160 --> 02:39:30,479 property. So, they'll get multiple 4015 02:39:30,479 --> 02:39:32,560 letter. They'll So, you get the initial 4016 02:39:32,560 --> 02:39:34,240 uh impact letter, you'll get the door 4017 02:39:34,240 --> 02:39:37,040 tag, and then you'll get a third um 4018 02:39:37,040 --> 02:39:40,240 follow-up letter if the um if we haven't 4019 02:39:40,240 --> 02:39:42,880 done an inspection on the home. 4020 02:39:42,880 --> 02:39:45,120 >> Which month was that again? 4021 02:39:45,120 --> 02:39:47,120 >> For the uh reinspection, the final 4022 02:39:47,120 --> 02:39:48,800 letter. So, that is kind of always a 4023 02:39:48,800 --> 02:39:50,960 moving target, but it'll likely be, I 4024 02:39:50,960 --> 02:39:52,640 would say, by the end of January would 4025 02:39:52,640 --> 02:39:54,640 be my goal to get those out so we can do 4026 02:39:54,640 --> 02:39:56,399 inspections through February. 4027 02:39:56,399 --> 02:39:57,600 >> Okay. Thanks. 4028 02:39:57,600 --> 02:39:59,040 >> Yep. 4029 02:39:59,040 --> 02:40:01,359 >> I have one question. Um, 4030 02:40:01,359 --> 02:40:05,359 >> are you assessing vacant um buildings or 4031 02:40:05,359 --> 02:40:07,520 buildings that are like in probate or 4032 02:40:07,520 --> 02:40:09,040 something that are in kind of a no man's 4033 02:40:09,040 --> 02:40:09,600 land? 4034 02:40:09,600 --> 02:40:10,240 >> Everything. 4035 02:40:10,240 --> 02:40:11,280 >> Every single parcel. 4036 02:40:11,280 --> 02:40:12,960 If you have four, 4037 02:40:12,960 --> 02:40:15,280 you have 45,568 4038 02:40:15,280 --> 02:40:16,880 parcels. 4039 02:40:16,880 --> 02:40:18,720 every single one. 4040 02:40:18,720 --> 02:40:19,680 >> A lot of work. 4041 02:40:19,680 --> 02:40:21,040 >> Yep. 4042 02:40:21,040 --> 02:40:22,720 >> Any other questions or comments from the 4043 02:40:22,720 --> 02:40:27,200 board, from the public? 4044 02:40:27,200 --> 02:40:29,520 >> Okay, seeing none, thank you so much for 4045 02:40:29,520 --> 02:40:30,880 waiting and for the presentation. 4046 02:40:30,880 --> 02:40:31,600 >> Yeah, you're welcome. 4047 02:40:31,600 --> 02:40:33,680 >> And we look forward to talking again. 4048 02:40:33,680 --> 02:40:37,190 Thanks, Jennifer. 4049 02:40:37,200 --> 02:40:38,960 » All right, we are down to the final page 4050 02:40:38,960 --> 02:40:41,200 in the packet. John, tell us about the 4051 02:40:41,200 --> 02:40:45,920 budget process. All right. Um, 4052 02:40:45,920 --> 02:40:48,960 so yeah, we uh put together the we've 4053 02:40:48,960 --> 02:40:50,960 actually been working on the budget for 4054 02:40:50,960 --> 02:40:54,800 fiscal year 28 already quite a bit. Um, 4055 02:40:54,800 --> 02:40:58,000 >> I I see Sarah Rose would you looking to 4056 02:40:58,000 --> 02:40:58,720 join us? 4057 02:40:58,720 --> 02:41:00,720 >> No, if you were still here, 4058 02:41:00,720 --> 02:41:01,680 >> please join us. 4059 02:41:01,680 --> 02:41:02,319 >> Okay, 4060 02:41:02,319 --> 02:41:05,600 >> this will probably be brief, but 4061 02:41:05,600 --> 02:41:06,800 >> um 4062 02:41:06,800 --> 02:41:09,520 >> we're already working on the budget is 4063 02:41:09,520 --> 02:41:10,880 what John was just saying. 4064 02:41:10,880 --> 02:41:11,760 >> Take it away. 4065 02:41:11,760 --> 02:41:14,560 >> Okay. Um, we're piggybacking on what 4066 02:41:14,560 --> 02:41:16,880 worked last year, what I hear worked 4067 02:41:16,880 --> 02:41:18,319 last year, which is that we're using 4068 02:41:18,319 --> 02:41:20,319 open gov for the budget process so we 4069 02:41:20,319 --> 02:41:22,640 can do some granular work into employee 4070 02:41:22,640 --> 02:41:25,520 costs um, and other granular work as 4071 02:41:25,520 --> 02:41:28,080 well. Um, and we're also making sure 4072 02:41:28,080 --> 02:41:29,439 that the department heads and the 4073 02:41:29,439 --> 02:41:30,880 departments are in on the ground floor 4074 02:41:30,880 --> 02:41:33,120 and so they're doing a lot of digging 4075 02:41:33,120 --> 02:41:34,800 right now and a lot of really rigorous 4076 02:41:34,800 --> 02:41:37,120 thought about what um, what goes into 4077 02:41:37,120 --> 02:41:41,120 the budget. Um, so if you look down at 4078 02:41:41,120 --> 02:41:43,520 the schedule, we're already in the prep 4079 02:41:43,520 --> 02:41:46,640 phase. Um, we're proposing that John 4080 02:41:46,640 --> 02:41:48,560 does his first presentation to you on 4081 02:41:48,560 --> 02:41:52,880 November 5. And then on November 10, uh, 4082 02:41:52,880 --> 02:41:55,120 we'd like to do an all day retreat and 4083 02:41:55,120 --> 02:41:56,720 give the department heads the 4084 02:41:56,720 --> 02:41:59,680 opportunity to present to you all at one 4085 02:41:59,680 --> 02:42:03,520 backtoback. So you have the day and uh 4086 02:42:03,520 --> 02:42:05,200 the ability to really look at the 4087 02:42:05,200 --> 02:42:06,880 departments all at the same time and ask 4088 02:42:06,880 --> 02:42:10,240 your questions. Um and then public 4089 02:42:10,240 --> 02:42:11,920 comment, the first day for that would be 4090 02:42:11,920 --> 02:42:15,990 December 1st. 4091 02:42:16,000 --> 02:42:16,319 » Great. 4092 02:42:16,319 --> 02:42:17,520 >> That's what I got. 4093 02:42:17,520 --> 02:42:18,000 >> Yep. 4094 02:42:18,000 --> 02:42:23,600 >> Thank you. And today is the 15th, but it 4095 02:42:23,600 --> 02:42:25,359 sounds like department heads are 4096 02:42:25,359 --> 02:42:27,200 probably already in it at this point. 4097 02:42:27,200 --> 02:42:28,240 >> They are. Yeah. 4098 02:42:28,240 --> 02:42:29,760 >> Okay, 4099 02:42:29,760 --> 02:42:32,960 great. Well, there's a sample motion and 4100 02:42:32,960 --> 02:42:34,399 if anyone would care to make it, it 4101 02:42:34,399 --> 02:42:35,840 would be good to start with it and then 4102 02:42:35,840 --> 02:42:37,520 we can have any other discussion we 4103 02:42:37,520 --> 02:42:40,790 like. 4104 02:42:40,800 --> 02:42:43,439 » I can make the motion. 4105 02:42:43,439 --> 02:42:44,560 Um, sure. 4106 02:42:44,560 --> 02:42:47,200 >> I move to adopt the fiscal year 28 4107 02:42:47,200 --> 02:42:49,280 budget development schedule and process 4108 02:42:49,280 --> 02:42:50,640 as presented. 4109 02:42:50,640 --> 02:42:52,880 >> Great. Amanda has moved to adopt the 4110 02:42:52,880 --> 02:42:55,600 FY28 budget development schedule and 4111 02:42:55,600 --> 02:42:58,160 process as presented. 4112 02:42:58,160 --> 02:43:01,359 So discussion by the board. Um my only 4113 02:43:01,359 --> 02:43:03,439 comment is that I I think it makes sense 4114 02:43:03,439 --> 02:43:06,399 as a structure, but of course if we get 4115 02:43:06,399 --> 02:43:08,080 down to it and we need more meetings or 4116 02:43:08,080 --> 02:43:11,920 we need to adjust on the fly, we'll 4117 02:43:11,920 --> 02:43:13,520 certainly have the flexibility to do 4118 02:43:13,520 --> 02:43:16,399 that. Um but other than that, I think 4119 02:43:16,399 --> 02:43:19,760 it's a sensible structure. Other 4120 02:43:19,760 --> 02:43:22,640 comments by the board? 4121 02:43:22,640 --> 02:43:24,880 Um 4122 02:43:24,880 --> 02:43:26,640 I don't know if I'm just being confused, 4123 02:43:26,640 --> 02:43:30,240 but are we switching to a Thursday like 4124 02:43:30,240 --> 02:43:30,479 oh 4125 02:43:30,479 --> 02:43:31,760 >> November election? 4126 02:43:31,760 --> 02:43:33,760 >> Yeah. Um that hasn't been determined 4127 02:43:33,760 --> 02:43:36,560 yet, but uh the your first meeting in 4128 02:43:36,560 --> 02:43:40,160 November is uh on election day and 4129 02:43:40,160 --> 02:43:41,920 normally the agenda committee will shift 4130 02:43:41,920 --> 02:43:43,920 that out to the Thursday, but it hasn't 4131 02:43:43,920 --> 02:43:44,960 been decided. 4132 02:43:44,960 --> 02:43:49,269 >> Yeah. 4133 02:43:49,279 --> 02:43:53,349 other comments. 4134 02:43:53,359 --> 02:43:53,680 » Oh, 4135 02:43:53,680 --> 02:43:54,880 >> Amanda and then Isaac. 4136 02:43:54,880 --> 02:43:56,479 >> Oh, I just want to say thank you for the 4137 02:43:56,479 --> 02:43:59,680 thoughtful layout um and learning about 4138 02:43:59,680 --> 02:44:02,560 this this early and thank you. I think 4139 02:44:02,560 --> 02:44:04,880 it's um it's just great sometimes just 4140 02:44:04,880 --> 02:44:07,760 setting the road map and let's go is the 4141 02:44:07,760 --> 02:44:10,479 way to go. So, appreciate that, 4142 02:44:10,479 --> 02:44:13,439 >> Isaac. Yeah, it incorporates feedback 4143 02:44:13,439 --> 02:44:16,080 from past years and I appreciate seeing 4144 02:44:16,080 --> 02:44:22,640 that reflected. Um, yeah, I could bring up the point from earlier 4145 02:44:22,640 --> 02:44:24,319 that I expressed very passionately about 4146 02:44:24,319 --> 02:44:26,319 having an opportunity to talk about 4147 02:44:26,319 --> 02:44:29,040 finances overall and this unassigned 4148 02:44:29,040 --> 02:44:30,720 fund balance and all that. 4149 02:44:30,720 --> 02:44:33,760 >> Um, do we want to finish this 4150 02:44:33,760 --> 02:44:36,640 conversation and then talk 4151 02:44:36,640 --> 02:44:38,240 >> I think if we want to add something to 4152 02:44:38,240 --> 02:44:40,560 the schedule, now is the time. Um, 4153 02:44:40,560 --> 02:44:42,800 >> I I' I'd love to see a conversation 4154 02:44:42,800 --> 02:44:46,560 about that before this. 4155 02:44:46,560 --> 02:44:46,960 >> Well, 4156 02:44:46,960 --> 02:44:49,279 >> so before we see a draft budget, 4157 02:44:49,279 --> 02:44:50,080 >> right? 4158 02:44:50,080 --> 02:44:52,479 Right. 4159 02:44:52,479 --> 02:44:54,399 >> And do you 4160 02:44:54,399 --> 02:44:58,240 are you picturing something like a 4161 02:44:58,240 --> 02:45:00,080 I'm I'm struggling a little to imagine 4162 02:45:00,080 --> 02:45:02,560 an entire meeting dedicated to these 4163 02:45:02,560 --> 02:45:05,920 topics? Maybe I'm oversimplifying, but I 4164 02:45:05,920 --> 02:45:08,880 feel like on a lot of these issues, 4165 02:45:08,880 --> 02:45:11,120 my thoughts will come down to I agree we 4166 02:45:11,120 --> 02:45:13,600 need to get the fund balance up. 4167 02:45:13,600 --> 02:45:15,040 There is a solution to do it, which is 4168 02:45:15,040 --> 02:45:16,479 to put a million dollars into the fund 4169 02:45:16,479 --> 02:45:20,399 balance, but I'm not sure the taxpayers 4170 02:45:20,399 --> 02:45:22,319 can bear that right now. So, I'm just 4171 02:45:22,319 --> 02:45:24,640 wondering, 4172 02:45:24,640 --> 02:45:26,640 does this make more sense as a dedicated 4173 02:45:26,640 --> 02:45:29,760 agenda item somewhere in October that 4174 02:45:29,760 --> 02:45:35,110 gets 45 minutes at a meeting or 4175 02:45:35,120 --> 02:45:36,160 » and John? Yes, 4176 02:45:36,160 --> 02:45:38,640 >> I mean, um, we we got quite a bit of 4177 02:45:38,640 --> 02:45:40,960 direction from you at your retreat 4178 02:45:40,960 --> 02:45:44,399 earlier this year. Uh, and you know, so 4179 02:45:44,399 --> 02:45:48,479 we're focused on that 4%. Um, we're also 4180 02:45:48,479 --> 02:45:50,880 focused on your long-term goal of 4181 02:45:50,880 --> 02:45:54,319 increasing the fund balance, which I 4182 02:45:54,319 --> 02:45:56,560 mean, if it's looking like we're at 4183 02:45:56,560 --> 02:46:00,080 about 5% here, which was a a lot bigger 4184 02:46:00,080 --> 02:46:01,680 jump than I thought we were going to 4185 02:46:01,680 --> 02:46:04,240 make in fiscal year 26. So, I mean, 4186 02:46:04,240 --> 02:46:05,920 that's very encouraging. We've gone from 4187 02:46:05,920 --> 02:46:09,520 2% to 5%. I think we could notch it up a 4188 02:46:09,520 --> 02:46:10,880 little bit more and probably get close 4189 02:46:10,880 --> 02:46:15,760 to 10% by fiscal 29. Um, you also could 4190 02:46:15,760 --> 02:46:18,160 of course solve it anytime you want 4191 02:46:18,160 --> 02:46:19,760 using revolving loan fund or something 4192 02:46:19,760 --> 02:46:22,560 like that if you wanted to do that. Um, 4193 02:46:22,560 --> 02:46:25,359 but you know that's a that's an issue. 4194 02:46:25,359 --> 02:46:26,880 You could have a conversation about 4195 02:46:26,880 --> 02:46:28,960 that, but you you may not want to do 4196 02:46:28,960 --> 02:46:30,319 that either. So, 4197 02:46:30,319 --> 02:46:33,520 >> right. Um, and you were also, it sounded 4198 02:46:33,520 --> 02:46:35,279 like talking about just the opportunity 4199 02:46:35,279 --> 02:46:37,840 to talk more generally about some of 4200 02:46:37,840 --> 02:46:39,200 these topics, right? 4201 02:46:39,200 --> 02:46:41,600 >> Yeah. like like one of the like the idea 4202 02:46:41,600 --> 02:46:44,000 of having a designated 4203 02:46:44,000 --> 02:46:46,960 emergency reserve fund that's not 4204 02:46:46,960 --> 02:46:49,120 >> the unassigned but you know having a 4205 02:46:49,120 --> 02:46:50,720 separate account or just like to be able 4206 02:46:50,720 --> 02:46:52,800 to discuss that publicly 4207 02:46:52,800 --> 02:46:55,279 >> as a as a group and I'm happy to do it 4208 02:46:55,279 --> 02:46:57,520 at here at this table or we can sit in a 4209 02:46:57,520 --> 02:47:00,640 circle at another time. I'm really what 4210 02:47:00,640 --> 02:47:02,399 I think the the point is that like I 4211 02:47:02,399 --> 02:47:04,960 like this format where we're just kind 4212 02:47:04,960 --> 02:47:06,720 of talking back and forth. I think it's 4213 02:47:06,720 --> 02:47:10,720 conducive to having um conversations 4214 02:47:10,720 --> 02:47:13,840 about this this topic. 4215 02:47:13,840 --> 02:47:15,840 >> I'm open to that. I think if we were to 4216 02:47:15,840 --> 02:47:19,600 do that, I would want us to come really 4217 02:47:19,600 --> 02:47:21,520 each of us to come really prepared with 4218 02:47:21,520 --> 02:47:24,160 the things we wanted to get into and not 4219 02:47:24,160 --> 02:47:26,160 just sort of 4220 02:47:26,160 --> 02:47:28,560 um I don't know if if we're going to 4221 02:47:28,560 --> 02:47:33,439 talk about these things, I'd want us to 4222 02:47:33,439 --> 02:47:38,399 Yeah. get fairly serious about them. Um 4223 02:47:38,399 --> 02:47:40,240 I to me this feels like something that 4224 02:47:40,240 --> 02:47:41,840 makes more sense at a regular meeting 4225 02:47:41,840 --> 02:47:45,200 rather than a standalone thing. Um I 4226 02:47:45,200 --> 02:47:48,960 think even 30 or 45 minutes of 4227 02:47:48,960 --> 02:47:50,960 unstructured discussion like this on 4228 02:47:50,960 --> 02:47:52,720 these types of topics and people getting 4229 02:47:52,720 --> 02:47:56,720 to air ideas and concerns would be 4230 02:47:56,720 --> 02:47:58,720 pretty substantial. I think would feel 4231 02:47:58,720 --> 02:48:02,319 pretty substantial at the time. Um, 4232 02:48:02,319 --> 02:48:03,840 if the board wants to go ahead with 4233 02:48:03,840 --> 02:48:07,760 something like that, we can tentatively. 4234 02:48:07,760 --> 02:48:09,439 >> That works for me. I'm I'm curious to 4235 02:48:09,439 --> 02:48:11,600 hear when you said you're it sounded 4236 02:48:11,600 --> 02:48:13,200 like there was some concern about people 4237 02:48:13,200 --> 02:48:15,520 coming prepared with proposals and I 4238 02:48:15,520 --> 02:48:18,080 just was curious about that cuz I think 4239 02:48:18,080 --> 02:48:20,479 part of actually the like what happened 4240 02:48:20,479 --> 02:48:22,880 at the select board retreat is we 4241 02:48:22,880 --> 02:48:24,880 actually have had we didn't necessarily 4242 02:48:24,880 --> 02:48:26,640 come with a fully formed proposal but it 4243 02:48:26,640 --> 02:48:28,479 was more of a chance to hear each other 4244 02:48:28,479 --> 02:48:30,000 and 4245 02:48:30,000 --> 02:48:31,760 >> together arrive at some things. So I 4246 02:48:31,760 --> 02:48:32,880 just wanted to hear more about what 4247 02:48:32,880 --> 02:48:36,319 you're trying to get out. No, I I 4248 02:48:36,319 --> 02:48:38,560 might not be a fully 4249 02:48:38,560 --> 02:48:40,880 formed thought yet, so never mind that. 4250 02:48:40,880 --> 02:48:41,760 Um, 4251 02:48:41,760 --> 02:48:43,600 >> and what I'm hearing and also just from 4252 02:48:43,600 --> 02:48:46,399 this meeting and public comment was a a 4253 02:48:46,399 --> 02:48:48,319 desire to have a discussion at least 4254 02:48:48,319 --> 02:48:50,479 about this concept of a reserve fund 4255 02:48:50,479 --> 02:48:53,279 that's separate that's separate that 4256 02:48:53,279 --> 02:48:56,319 keeps coming up and up again. Um and 4257 02:48:56,319 --> 02:49:00,080 then also um the parking enterprise fund 4258 02:49:00,080 --> 02:49:02,319 to actually open that up as a agenda 4259 02:49:02,319 --> 02:49:04,319 item. That's not necessarily just a 4260 02:49:04,319 --> 02:49:07,200 budget, but that's 4261 02:49:07,200 --> 02:49:08,720 um 4262 02:49:08,720 --> 02:49:12,160 you know, you know, to welcome us as the 4263 02:49:12,160 --> 02:49:13,520 board, the public, you know, what are 4264 02:49:13,520 --> 02:49:14,960 the light bulbs that go off? How are we 4265 02:49:14,960 --> 02:49:16,560 going to solve this issue? 4266 02:49:16,560 --> 02:49:18,560 >> So I and I think there will be things to 4267 02:49:18,560 --> 02:49:21,120 be said for and against lots of these 4268 02:49:21,120 --> 02:49:23,520 ideas which we can talk about at the 4269 02:49:23,520 --> 02:49:25,200 time. It sound okay. So it sounds to me 4270 02:49:25,200 --> 02:49:27,600 like what we're talking about is I would 4271 02:49:27,600 --> 02:49:29,600 say two separate agenda items that we 4272 02:49:29,600 --> 02:49:31,840 try to fit in in October. One is a 4273 02:49:31,840 --> 02:49:34,800 general discussion of sort of the 4274 02:49:34,800 --> 02:49:38,000 financial suggestions that we've I think 4275 02:49:38,000 --> 02:49:39,680 sort of been accumulating over the last 4276 02:49:39,680 --> 02:49:41,840 6 months from members of the public and 4277 02:49:41,840 --> 02:49:43,359 things we've talked about. That's one. 4278 02:49:43,359 --> 02:49:45,359 And then the other is maybe a more 4279 02:49:45,359 --> 02:49:47,920 general discussion of the parking fund. 4280 02:49:47,920 --> 02:49:51,680 Does that sound like it hits 4281 02:49:51,680 --> 02:49:54,720 what we're talking about here? 4282 02:49:54,720 --> 02:49:58,399 you you have quite full uh agendas with 4283 02:49:58,399 --> 02:50:00,240 the town plan and everything else coming 4284 02:50:00,240 --> 02:50:03,120 up at your next two meetings in October. 4285 02:50:03,120 --> 02:50:05,760 So I think you may be talking about a 4286 02:50:05,760 --> 02:50:08,080 separate meeting here. I'm not sure, but 4287 02:50:08,080 --> 02:50:10,160 um there's a lot on your plate in 4288 02:50:10,160 --> 02:50:11,359 October. 4289 02:50:11,359 --> 02:50:14,000 >> And also I would say that if we're going 4290 02:50:14,000 --> 02:50:15,680 to talk about things like restructuring 4291 02:50:15,680 --> 02:50:17,359 the budget or creating new funds or 4292 02:50:17,359 --> 02:50:19,600 things like that, we may want to slide 4293 02:50:19,600 --> 02:50:23,200 out um these dates a bit. Um, so like 4294 02:50:23,200 --> 02:50:25,920 maybe because if you know say we 4295 02:50:25,920 --> 02:50:29,120 couldn't get uh you know a meeting on 4296 02:50:29,120 --> 02:50:33,279 this until uh like October 4297 02:50:33,279 --> 02:50:35,520 uh and just assuming we can get the 4298 02:50:35,520 --> 02:50:37,760 everything. But if we did like October 4299 02:50:37,760 --> 02:50:42,160 13th the um Tuesday between your two 4300 02:50:42,160 --> 02:50:45,359 October meetings then if we were to make 4301 02:50:45,359 --> 02:50:47,680 you know I'm we're really trying to get 4302 02:50:47,680 --> 02:50:51,600 this budget put together by the 23rd. So 4303 02:50:51,600 --> 02:50:53,680 to make any significant changes there, I 4304 02:50:53,680 --> 02:50:56,880 think like I mean I'm really pushing 4305 02:50:56,880 --> 02:51:00,399 people here, but um you know we could 4306 02:51:00,399 --> 02:51:02,800 look at sliding all these out at least 4307 02:51:02,800 --> 02:51:07,120 one one um select board meeting date and 4308 02:51:07,120 --> 02:51:10,080 be try try to get our work done by 4309 02:51:10,080 --> 02:51:12,720 January. But that cuts off a lot of your 4310 02:51:12,720 --> 02:51:15,359 um ability to uh make adjustments uh 4311 02:51:15,359 --> 02:51:18,399 when we know what the numbers are. 4312 02:51:18,399 --> 02:51:19,760 I'm not trying to I'm not trying to 4313 02:51:19,760 --> 02:51:23,120 delay the the budgeting process. So, I'd 4314 02:51:23,120 --> 02:51:24,160 say, you know, 4315 02:51:24,160 --> 02:51:25,840 >> that's but that's what I would recommend 4316 02:51:25,840 --> 02:51:28,960 if if we're going to get into major, you 4317 02:51:28,960 --> 02:51:30,319 know, structural changes or anything 4318 02:51:30,319 --> 02:51:30,720 like that. 4319 02:51:30,720 --> 02:51:34,160 >> I don't Yes. And I think 4320 02:51:34,160 --> 02:51:36,800 yeah, I I think certainly if we started 4321 02:51:36,800 --> 02:51:38,560 if we had that conversation, started 4322 02:51:38,560 --> 02:51:40,560 moving in directions like that, this 4323 02:51:40,560 --> 02:51:42,960 schedule would have to change. Um, I 4324 02:51:42,960 --> 02:51:45,359 think it's entirely possible that we 4325 02:51:45,359 --> 02:51:48,319 spend 45 minutes on each topic and come 4326 02:51:48,319 --> 02:51:50,720 away feeling like there are some ideas 4327 02:51:50,720 --> 02:51:53,120 here, maybe not for this year's budget, 4328 02:51:53,120 --> 02:51:56,160 maybe for next year's or something. But, 4329 02:51:56,160 --> 02:51:58,240 um, so I don't think having this 4330 02:51:58,240 --> 02:52:03,760 conversation means big changes. Um but 4331 02:52:03,760 --> 02:52:06,080 well 4332 02:52:06,080 --> 02:52:09,600 I based on what I'm hearing I think we 4333 02:52:09,600 --> 02:52:12,000 can my feeling is we can approve this 4334 02:52:12,000 --> 02:52:14,000 schedule for the actual budget 4335 02:52:14,000 --> 02:52:17,840 development and then Amanda and I can 4336 02:52:17,840 --> 02:52:21,840 work to fit these into October and see 4337 02:52:21,840 --> 02:52:24,160 what we can do and at least we can come 4338 02:52:24,160 --> 02:52:25,439 back to the board at the next meeting 4339 02:52:25,439 --> 02:52:27,520 and say we didn't we couldn't find a way 4340 02:52:27,520 --> 02:52:28,880 to easily do it. What do you guys want 4341 02:52:28,880 --> 02:52:32,560 to do worst case? um and that we 4342 02:52:32,560 --> 02:52:34,319 prioritize 4343 02:52:34,319 --> 02:52:37,359 the sort of general financial discussion 4344 02:52:37,359 --> 02:52:39,760 because it's a little more timely. Does 4345 02:52:39,760 --> 02:52:42,880 that sounds palatable? No. 4346 02:52:42,880 --> 02:52:45,760 >> Um I was going to note that we do while 4347 02:52:45,760 --> 02:52:47,120 there's a lot to talk about in the 4348 02:52:47,120 --> 02:52:49,120 parking fund, we do have a longer 4349 02:52:49,120 --> 02:52:50,080 timeline on that, 4350 02:52:50,080 --> 02:52:50,720 >> right? 4351 02:52:50,720 --> 02:52:52,880 >> Like it doesn't have to happen before 4352 02:52:52,880 --> 02:52:54,640 January. It doesn't have to be ready to 4353 02:52:54,640 --> 02:52:56,720 go with the general fund budget. 4354 02:52:56,720 --> 02:53:01,520 >> I agree. Um, and I also do think that a 4355 02:53:01,520 --> 02:53:04,720 I guess retreat style or just like 4356 02:53:04,720 --> 02:53:06,720 working group style meeting of the 4357 02:53:06,720 --> 02:53:09,520 select board that I think that would be 4358 02:53:09,520 --> 02:53:11,279 more productive for this kind of topic. 4359 02:53:11,279 --> 02:53:14,399 And I my interpretation is that some of 4360 02:53:14,399 --> 02:53:17,760 the value of these meetings would be 4361 02:53:17,760 --> 02:53:19,760 such that this regular select board 4362 02:53:19,760 --> 02:53:21,600 meetings can be more productive because 4363 02:53:21,600 --> 02:53:24,800 the board is on the same page 4364 02:53:24,800 --> 02:53:26,640 um with each other and with staff 4365 02:53:26,640 --> 02:53:28,960 because there's a lot of there's a lot 4366 02:53:28,960 --> 02:53:31,040 of parsing through and making sure the 4367 02:53:31,040 --> 02:53:32,560 understandings are the same that I think 4368 02:53:32,560 --> 02:53:34,800 delay some of the conversations at 4369 02:53:34,800 --> 02:53:38,000 regular meetings too. John. Um I I mean 4370 02:53:38,000 --> 02:53:40,560 yeah on the parking fund point I I mean 4371 02:53:40,560 --> 02:53:43,760 if you're talking about bringing any any 4372 02:53:43,760 --> 02:53:45,439 uh part of the parking fund into the 4373 02:53:45,439 --> 02:53:48,880 general fund, we need to know like soon. 4374 02:53:48,880 --> 02:53:49,359 Um 4375 02:53:49,359 --> 02:53:49,840 >> yes, 4376 02:53:49,840 --> 02:53:52,479 >> because we're working really hard on on 4377 02:53:52,479 --> 02:53:54,319 uh that budget, not general fund. 4378 02:53:54,319 --> 02:53:56,160 >> Would that be if if a lease was 4379 02:53:56,160 --> 02:53:59,120 entertained, would that be included in 4380 02:53:59,120 --> 02:54:00,160 that? I'm not pretty. 4381 02:54:00,160 --> 02:54:02,160 >> So I I'm sorry. I think we may be 4382 02:54:02,160 --> 02:54:05,120 starting to stray again understandably. 4383 02:54:05,120 --> 02:54:10,319 But um as far as the process and 4384 02:54:10,319 --> 02:54:11,920 possibly scheduling some of these other 4385 02:54:11,920 --> 02:54:13,680 topics, 4386 02:54:13,680 --> 02:54:15,120 how does the board feel about moving 4387 02:54:15,120 --> 02:54:16,800 forward with the process, the motion 4388 02:54:16,800 --> 02:54:19,359 that's on the table, and then we try to 4389 02:54:19,359 --> 02:54:23,120 schedule the finance topic in October 4390 02:54:23,120 --> 02:54:25,760 and report back and then parking maybe 4391 02:54:25,760 --> 02:54:28,720 can be on a little longer leash. Does 4392 02:54:28,720 --> 02:54:30,880 that sound all right? Yeah. 4393 02:54:30,880 --> 02:54:32,720 >> Okay. Let me make some notes. But in the 4394 02:54:32,720 --> 02:54:34,319 meantime, 4395 02:54:34,319 --> 02:54:35,760 Amanda, is your motion? 4396 02:54:35,760 --> 02:54:36,160 >> Yes. 4397 02:54:36,160 --> 02:54:39,439 >> Okay. Amanda has moved to adopt the Oh, 4398 02:54:39,439 --> 02:54:41,040 sorry. Members of the public with a 4399 02:54:41,040 --> 02:54:44,000 comment or question. 4400 02:54:44,000 --> 02:54:47,200 >> Okay. Amanda has moved to adopt the FY28 4401 02:54:47,200 --> 02:54:48,960 budget development schedule and process 4402 02:54:48,960 --> 02:54:51,040 as presented. All in favor, please say 4403 02:54:51,040 --> 02:54:52,560 I. 4404 02:54:52,560 --> 02:54:55,040 >> Aries is 5. 4405 02:54:55,040 --> 02:54:56,560 >> Thank you, Sarah Rose, for staying till 4406 02:54:56,560 --> 02:54:59,439 the end. Um, final motion. Somebody 4407 02:54:59,439 --> 02:55:00,800 >> I move to adjourn. 4408 02:55:00,800 --> 02:55:02,479 >> All in favor? 4409 02:55:02,479 --> 02:55:03,520 >> I 4410 02:55:03,520 --> 02:55:06,319 >> 50. All right. Thank you everyone. Seth, 4411 02:55:06,319 --> 02:55:08,479 John, BCTV, 4412 02:55:08,479 --> 02:55:11,920 >> Heidi, Ivan, and Select. 4413 02:55:11,920 --> 02:55:15,040 >> What am I writing? I'm writing. 4414 02:55:15,040 --> 02:55:16,960 >> Oh, I have my microphone off the whole 4415 02:55:16,960 --> 02:55:17,760 time. 4416 02:55:17,760 --> 02:55:18,720 >> Really? 4417 02:55:18,720 --> 02:55:19,680 >> Oh, you have a toggle 4418 02:55:19,680 --> 02:55:24,279 >> at the Yeah. At the end.