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Um, good evening

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everyone. I would like to

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declare the

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Brown Charter Review Commission meeting on

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Wednesday, September 23,

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2026, open. Um,

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now our first

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task is to

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approve the

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protocol that we have

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here. Um, has anyone had

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a chance...I don't know

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if anyone has had a

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chance

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to read them?

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I just had a quick

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look at them,

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and I think Joy

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said she

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got them from...

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I mean, we, Jessica,

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know we're going to have

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... Well,

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we'll

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talk

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about at least one more

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meeting later.

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We need to have

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at least

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one more meeting to

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discuss public

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gatherings. So, should

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we postpone

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approving this

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protocol until

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then? Of course. Yes.

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Good. Because we

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only had 50 meetings

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, so we have...

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do one. That's

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it.

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Um, um, I don't see any

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need to change the

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agenda for tonight

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. Does

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anyone else see any

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reason why we can't

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execute the

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agenda as

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published?

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Good. So our

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first task, um,

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is to review and

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hopefully

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approve our

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final

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proposed draft

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bylaws. And

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Seth was quite

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kind, I think. Do

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we have it or not?

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Oh, you don't have it?

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No. Good. I have it.

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I didn't print it out, I

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printed out a small

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copy. I have a copy.

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This is a bit of writing.

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Hmm, a little done. Um, I'm

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doing it. Uh, so I

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sent it out a couple of

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weeks ago, I think, before...

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Yes, I made changes,

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very minor changes,

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which are still highlighted in the

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charter. Um, and Maya, I

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know, read it

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from beginning to end

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, both this draft and the

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red

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line draft. Um, has anyone

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seen anything based on

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what was

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sent out that would

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need to be

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changed somehow?

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I have two tiny

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spots, and neither of them

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are significant.

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Um, both are places

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where because of all the

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complexity of additions

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and deletions...

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we added, um, a letter in

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On the list.

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Good. So, the first one

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is on

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page eight. I'm in the,

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um, red and

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green, um, red

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version.

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Eighth page.

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Good.

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Uh, in the

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Assignment section in

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the current

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draft it goes from A to C

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, a green A, and then a

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black C. Where is that

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on the right, in the right

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column of the eighth

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page of the

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track version?

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Good. So,

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what's going on?

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understand correctly, we

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need to correct

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C to B,

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D to C, D to E or E to D and F

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to E. Parts C, D and E

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are on

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page nine.

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And B,

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is on the

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eighth page. So

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this doesn't make any

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significant changes, which is why

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everything goes

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alphabetically.

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That's right. Do

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you see this, Maya?

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I didn't understand. I didn't

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see, I was looking.

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because I

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was working with a clean

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draft, and

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when I happened to

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look at something

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to check, I

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saw that there was a place, the

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second one, the one I'm

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going to name in a

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second, that I

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saw had a different

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letter than the one that

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was in the clean

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draft. And

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I said, "Wow." And when

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I realized that, I

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went back and

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checked all the others again.

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And this is the only other

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option I

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found.

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And in its pure form

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it is normal.

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This is Yes. Clean

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option.

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That's why we did

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n't see him either.

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That's right. That's right.

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I...I'm sorry, Kate. After

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I said I

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only found one

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typo in the

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clean graph, I

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found another one in the

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red line.

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Good. On the second

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page under A two.

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Second page. Okay

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. Article two, you

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are looking under

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Chapter One A.

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Is this what you

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mean?

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Yes. Y

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number two.

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Yes. I think

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after

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the sentence at the end where it says

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serve three years,

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I'm not

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my...my version...not

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okay...

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great, but

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in the track version...

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sorry, it looks like it's a

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semicolon,

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not a period,

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because it goes into the

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next sentence...

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let's see how you

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go from one

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...every semicolon

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at the end of every

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period...it had a

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semicolon after

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two. Yes.

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After one.

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Good. Because I couldn't

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figure out if

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they were all

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semicolons or...

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No, they were all

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after the first period.

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It was a period, and it

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was a semicolon.

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No, they are all green

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semicolons. The

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red dots were

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crossed out.

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Good. Does this make sense?

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My version, when I

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printed it out, isn't very

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good. It is complicated.

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It was difficult. So, I

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think we understand.

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Good. Did you have another

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one, Peter?

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I had one. Hmm, the only other one I had was the same

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. He was,

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you know, the same,

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just in terms of

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letters.

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Hmm, still in the red-

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green version,

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page 10, two-

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thirds of the way down in the

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right column.

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We're going from P

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to R.

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Oh, yeah.

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We remove Q.

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Yes. So

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then from R all the way to Uh on

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page 12, double

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B.

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Everything needs to

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be redone. Yes. So

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you know it's QRST and

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then it goes up

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to a double A.

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So where it's a P, it's

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wrong. P

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is correct, but then

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it goes wrong.

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Yes. And everything that happened

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after that needs to be

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corrected. And there's a

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nuance here that you should

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pay attention to when

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you start making

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corrections, which is that there

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's an X in the middle,

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whatever was previously an X

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has also been removed.

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Yes. And what came

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after that was

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shuffled and

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shuffled correctly

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, but now it's

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not accurate because of the ones

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we missed before.

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So when you do this

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fix, you

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need to fix

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all of them from the Q all the way to the

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double A.

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It did that, and it

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did nothing.

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Although

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everything is correct in the pure version.

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OK. So I can

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do this,

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I'll check it again

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now, but I think it's

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true

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because then I can

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make it

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match correctly.

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That is absolutely

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correct. You can

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follow this

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clean option.

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That's right. Right.

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Keep an eye out for the clean

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option because of this.

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OK.

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Yes.

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Good. So, I'm

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amazed that this is all there

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is.

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Yes. And it was very

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easy.

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This is a test.

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This is testing people.

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Good.

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And you got the one

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I sent you in a

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clean version

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where

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I did what I did

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in the library.

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Oh, yes. I changed it. Um, there

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should be "should".

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There is no "s" in front.

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Yes, I fixed it.

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Supervision of the

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library director, who will be

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responsible for

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the implementation of the same

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. Yes, I

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did it.

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Yes.

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Good.

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I give

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my husband credit for

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noticing this.

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Gratitude works too,

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right?

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Yes.

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Good. So, and I know

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Mr. Davis is here and

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wants to talk to

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us about something, but

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before we get

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to that, I just

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want to make sure. Do

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we see anything else? Um,

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and I just so

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you know, when you

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look at this,

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you know, these little

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parts, especially in the

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clean version, this is

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in the clean version,

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page seven, there's

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still some bold

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and underlined stuff there.

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This is what we

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talked about at the last

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meeting. I'm going to

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remove the bold

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and de-emphasize them.

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So, all of this will be,

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um,

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yeah,

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and we'll put, I'll

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put,

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proposed,

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you know, on the back

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burner. Hmm, the date was

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changed to September 23,

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2026, which is today.

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Hmm,

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great.

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Good.

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Thank you.

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Good. No, thank you to everyone

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who watched it 400

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times. Hmm, so from our

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perspective, we're ready,

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but I want to know that

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Mr. Davis probably

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wants to ask us something

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.

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Well, I sent, um, I

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sent three of you an

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email. I did

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n't send one to all of you

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because I didn't have

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your address

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handy,

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and Peter forwarded it.

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I thought you would

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forward it.

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Well, you know, I came

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earlier in the process and

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raised this issue, and

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then I just said,

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“Oh, okay. They

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made a decision on

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this." But

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then, when I sat down to

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read it, I

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said, “This is it. "The

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first article has been put in order, hmm." And

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the first thing that's asked

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is, "Second

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Tuesday after the

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first full

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moon after the first

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full frost," and

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, you know, it's kind of like,

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"Well, why do

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we even need this

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document?" And it

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seems to me that in this day and age,

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I'm just repeating to

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everyone online what

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was in my

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email,

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hmm, it seems like a

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missed opportunity,

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because anyone who

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repeals a

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city charter...Is there an opportunity

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to say why we have a

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city charter? There is, I

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know it's

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meant to

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delineate

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the rules that we have

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in the city that

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separate us

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from the state, what we

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do in Bradboro

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that they might not

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do in Middlebury or

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Burlington. But the

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old preamble, I

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agree, is long. This is a kind of

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historical

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statement that is incredibly interesting to

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me as a citizen

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, because

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I've studied this whole

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history of how

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New York and New

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Hampshire used to argue.

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It touches on this issue there,

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but not in great detail, it

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simply says that there

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was a period when we

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here in Bradborough were

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subject to

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two jurisdictions, and

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that's fascinating. But there is

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also a list of reasons

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why we have a system of

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city

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government, and there is a

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small bulleted

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00:11:01,418 --> 00:11:02,412
list. And when I

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sent you the

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shortened version of the

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preamble, I left

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these things out. I didn't say, "Oh

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, I'm going to

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rewrite the preamble

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." But if the point was

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in brevity, um, and

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maybe you had

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other reasons, but it

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seems to me that there are

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some really good

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civic reasons

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to say why

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we have a government at all. And

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why, and this is our

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uniqueness, we

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only have one

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Browderborough on the

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planet, and Bradborough

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only has one charter.

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And why do we have it? We

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do things in this city

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that

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reflect our

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values. Um,

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encouraging

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civic participation

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is here. Er, charity is mentioned

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. It's kind of

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one of

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those "we the

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people" moments. This is one of those

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"we the people" moments.

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And I'm just wondering,

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at this point in our

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history, when people

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feel like, will

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democracy hold up? It seems like a

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funny moment

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when someone wrote these

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words, and I don't know how

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long they've been in

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our charter, but I

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find them a good and

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reliable

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reminder. So

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if a high

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school student was

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assigned what a

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city charter is, it's

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now like it's

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been developed...No, I

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completely appreciate all

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your work. 50

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meetings. I am

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delighted. Good. But

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for a student or a young

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person who is starting to

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study this statute,

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they will go to

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article one,

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section A, and they

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will think: why

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should I continue to

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read this document?

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Whereas the preamble gives a

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reason why a young

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person who is just

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trying

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to understand what

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city

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government is, gives

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them a rationale

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why they should

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read this and

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maybe understand

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why we have these

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00:13:01,810 --> 00:13:03,032
rules and maybe

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00:13:03,032 --> 00:13:06,360
get involved. So I

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just think it's me

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00:13:07,749 --> 00:13:10,402
...I consider it a loss.

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It's not necessary, because

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when I looked around, not

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every city in the state

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has a preamble, but

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when there is one that has a lot of

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valuable material,

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00:13:17,974 --> 00:13:19,208
I just wonder

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why. Uh, that's why I

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said it, or is it just

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brevity? And as we

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were going up the stairs

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, Peter gave a few

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other ideas about

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00:13:31,645 --> 00:13:32,600
why you, uh, and

558
00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:33,957
maybe, uh, but it's me

559
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... I've been thinking a lot about

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what I would say to you

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all before you

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close the book on

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this and say, "Here's the

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finished product." But

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I think it's an

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opportunity to educate,

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inspire, and

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00:13:48,921 --> 00:13:50,267
let people know that

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it's important. It's not

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just about when we

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vote, but also why we

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vote. It's not about

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us simply

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electing an elected council,

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00:14:01,127 --> 00:14:02,244
but about what their

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00:14:02,244 --> 00:14:03,535
responsibilities are and what our

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00:14:03,535 --> 00:14:09,169
responsibilities are to them.

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00:14:09,169 --> 00:14:10,066
We are a joint

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00:14:10,066 --> 00:14:11,034
project that

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00:14:11,034 --> 00:14:12,470
involves citizens, it

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00:14:12,470 --> 00:14:13,761
involves some, uh,

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00:14:13,761 --> 00:14:14,981
you know, this is the language

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00:14:14,981 --> 00:14:16,058
that was in our

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00:14:16,058 --> 00:14:16,955
national

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00:14:16,955 --> 00:14:21,610
documents. in our

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00:14:21,610 --> 00:14:22,764
state documents

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00:14:22,764 --> 00:14:23,798
, and I see no

588
00:14:23,798 --> 00:14:24,981
reason why we shouldn't

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00:14:24,981 --> 00:14:25,957
have some of that

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00:14:25,957 --> 00:14:27,110
wording in our

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local documents.

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00:14:28,334 --> 00:14:29,983
So, that's all. I'll just

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pass it on to you. And as I

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00:14:32,521 --> 00:14:33,479
said to Peter as we

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00:14:33,479 --> 00:14:34,862
walked up the stairs

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, I'm not going to

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00:14:35,819 --> 00:14:37,167
storm the Bastille

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00:14:37,167 --> 00:14:38,124
over this, but I

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00:14:38,124 --> 00:14:39,259
feel like I can

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00:14:39,259 --> 00:14:40,536
go home and sleep

601
00:14:40,536 --> 00:14:42,861
better having said this

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00:14:42,861 --> 00:14:44,003
because I believe it.

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00:14:44,003 --> 00:14:45,644
Good. So that's all I'll

604
00:14:45,644 --> 00:14:46,834
say. Thank you.

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00:14:46,834 --> 00:14:47,892
Can I ask?

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00:14:47,892 --> 00:14:48,844
And thank you for your

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work.

608
00:14:49,387 --> 00:14:55,925
Yes. Um, I don't know what

609
00:14:55,925 --> 00:14:57,241
Peter told you, but

610
00:14:57,241 --> 00:14:58,354
I assume it had something

611
00:14:58,354 --> 00:14:59,635
to do with the fact that

612
00:14:59,635 --> 00:15:00,546
we decided to

613
00:15:00,546 --> 00:15:01,862
throw out the

614
00:15:01,862 --> 00:15:04,593
history part. I

615
00:15:04,593 --> 00:15:05,965
mean, I think it

616
00:15:05,965 --> 00:15:07,338
was important if I

617
00:15:07,338 --> 00:15:08,562
remember, because it was a

618
00:15:08,562 --> 00:15:09,527
long time ago when we

619
00:15:09,527 --> 00:15:17,422
talked about it. Um,

620
00:15:17,422 --> 00:15:18,816
but after reading

621
00:15:18,816 --> 00:15:20,175
your

622
00:15:20,175 --> 00:15:21,498
email, um, I thought

623
00:15:21,498 --> 00:15:22,929
that these things at the beginning,

624
00:15:22,929 --> 00:15:28,944
A to F, um, might

625
00:15:28,944 --> 00:15:30,151
be good at the

626
00:15:30,151 --> 00:15:37,084
beginning. I

627
00:15:37,084 --> 00:15:38,367
mean, this is just

628
00:15:38,367 --> 00:15:39,614
my reaction to your

629
00:15:39,614 --> 00:15:42,127
letter.

630
00:15:42,127 --> 00:15:45,315
Yes.

631
00:15:45,315 --> 00:15:46,726
Um, first of all, what I

632
00:15:46,726 --> 00:15:48,100
said to Andy is just

633
00:15:48,100 --> 00:15:49,474
so you all

634
00:15:49,474 --> 00:15:54,211
can either

635
00:15:54,211 --> 00:15:55,713
confirm as accurate

636
00:15:55,713 --> 00:15:56,577
memories or

637
00:15:56,577 --> 00:15:57,667
correct me if

638
00:15:57,667 --> 00:16:00,205
you remember differently. Um,

639
00:16:00,205 --> 00:16:01,674
there were, um, two things that I

640
00:16:01,674 --> 00:16:02,654
think

641
00:16:02,654 --> 00:16:03,708
influenced it,

642
00:16:03,708 --> 00:16:05,127
at least for me.

643
00:16:05,127 --> 00:16:05,873
First, the fact

644
00:16:05,873 --> 00:16:06,964
is that we

645
00:16:06,964 --> 00:16:07,883
made the decision

646
00:16:07,883 --> 00:16:08,586
collectively,

647
00:16:08,586 --> 00:16:09,631
and we made it

648
00:16:09,631 --> 00:16:10,439
unanimously.

649
00:16:10,439 --> 00:16:10,832
Um,

650
00:16:10,832 --> 00:16:11,753
and that's when

651
00:16:11,753 --> 00:16:12,485
we had David

652
00:16:12,485 --> 00:16:13,514
Gardenstein and Hannah,

653
00:16:13,514 --> 00:16:14,482
who were still here at the

654
00:16:14,482 --> 00:16:15,671
beginning. Yes. I

655
00:16:15,671 --> 00:16:16,463
remember because Andy

656
00:16:16,463 --> 00:16:17,331
actually asked

657
00:16:17,331 --> 00:16:18,353
me, he said yes,

658
00:16:18,353 --> 00:16:19,328
but it was a long time ago. I

659
00:16:19,328 --> 00:16:20,040
think we've done

660
00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:20,770
this relatively recently,

661
00:16:20,770 --> 00:16:21,463
within the last 6

662
00:16:21,463 --> 00:16:22,039
months, where we've

663
00:16:22,039 --> 00:16:22,559
gotten to the

664
00:16:22,559 --> 00:16:23,135
point where we've

665
00:16:23,135 --> 00:16:23,655
gotten to the point

666
00:16:23,655 --> 00:16:24,232
where we're

667
00:16:24,232 --> 00:16:24,905
saying, is this our

668
00:16:24,905 --> 00:16:25,390
charter? We

669
00:16:25,390 --> 00:16:26,151
returned to

670
00:16:26,151 --> 00:16:27,075
the question, at least

671
00:16:27,075 --> 00:16:27,583
briefly.

672
00:16:27,583 --> 00:16:29,570
Yes. And so, um, so

673
00:16:29,570 --> 00:16:31,098
one thing that I think is

674
00:16:31,098 --> 00:16:32,587
important is that we

675
00:16:32,587 --> 00:16:34,184
discussed this. We

676
00:16:34,184 --> 00:16:35,217
made the decision

677
00:16:35,217 --> 00:16:36,886
collectively. For me, um

678
00:16:36,886 --> 00:16:38,365
, the next two things

679
00:16:38,365 --> 00:16:39,585
that I remember

680
00:16:39,585 --> 00:16:40,731
being the basis for

681
00:16:40,731 --> 00:16:42,025
our decision, um,

682
00:16:42,025 --> 00:16:43,208
are still valid in

683
00:16:43,208 --> 00:16:44,354
terms of our

684
00:16:44,354 --> 00:16:45,500
work, the core of

685
00:16:45,500 --> 00:16:47,832
our work.

686
00:16:47,832 --> 00:16:52,850
Um, one of them was that

687
00:16:52,850 --> 00:16:54,185
we

688
00:16:54,185 --> 00:16:54,985
identified and

689
00:16:54,985 --> 00:16:56,186
fulfilled that intent,

690
00:16:56,186 --> 00:16:57,454
one of our goals

691
00:16:57,454 --> 00:16:58,588
was to streamline

692
00:16:58,588 --> 00:16:59,422
that document

693
00:16:59,422 --> 00:17:00,590
because the old

694
00:17:00,590 --> 00:17:01,624
statute, um, had

695
00:17:01,624 --> 00:17:02,858
some language

696
00:17:02,858 --> 00:17:03,725
that duplicated the

697
00:17:03,725 --> 00:17:04,826
state statute,

698
00:17:04,826 --> 00:17:06,060
some language

699
00:17:06,060 --> 00:17:07,228
that duplicated other

700
00:17:07,228 --> 00:17:08,162
language in the

701
00:17:08,162 --> 00:17:11,953
statute. Um, in some

702
00:17:11,953 --> 00:17:13,275
cases, some things that

703
00:17:13,275 --> 00:17:14,458
we thought

704
00:17:14,458 --> 00:17:15,433
contained a lot of

705
00:17:15,433 --> 00:17:16,720
redundant language

706
00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:18,112
that didn't help, um,

707
00:17:18,112 --> 00:17:19,434
actually reduced

708
00:17:19,434 --> 00:17:20,304
its clarity,

709
00:17:20,304 --> 00:17:21,174
made it difficult to

710
00:17:21,174 --> 00:17:22,148
understand the purpose of the

711
00:17:22,148 --> 00:17:23,018
statute in those

712
00:17:23,018 --> 00:17:25,807
sections. And so we

713
00:17:25,807 --> 00:17:26,328
really

714
00:17:26,328 --> 00:17:27,475
committed to, um,

715
00:17:27,475 --> 00:17:28,866
following our

716
00:17:28,866 --> 00:17:29,944
recommended

717
00:17:29,944 --> 00:17:30,987
charter of being as clear as possible

718
00:17:30,987 --> 00:17:32,204
,

719
00:17:32,204 --> 00:17:33,247
so that hopefully it's

720
00:17:33,247 --> 00:17:34,325
clear and, you know,

721
00:17:34,325 --> 00:17:35,368
easy to understand

722
00:17:35,368 --> 00:17:37,280
the rules of how we

723
00:17:37,315 --> 00:17:41,349
govern at Braa. Um,

724
00:17:41,349 --> 00:17:42,736
so to boil it down to the

725
00:17:42,736 --> 00:17:43,794
point is one thing, and

726
00:17:43,794 --> 00:17:45,180
the preamble is obviously to

727
00:17:45,180 --> 00:17:46,493
,

728
00:17:46,493 --> 00:17:47,916
you know, set the table,

729
00:17:47,916 --> 00:17:49,157
not to be part of

730
00:17:49,157 --> 00:17:50,324
this, um, set of,

731
00:17:50,324 --> 00:17:51,382
you know, part of the

732
00:17:51,382 --> 00:17:52,367
set of rules

733
00:17:52,367 --> 00:17:53,790
effectively laid out

734
00:17:53,790 --> 00:17:58,206
. So that was one thing. Um,

735
00:17:58,206 --> 00:17:59,635
and the other thing was that, um,

736
00:17:59,635 --> 00:18:00,916
we had, at least,

737
00:18:00,916 --> 00:18:02,308
earlier...I don't know if

738
00:18:02,308 --> 00:18:03,407
we had a second

739
00:18:03,407 --> 00:18:04,799
conversation about this, but I

740
00:18:04,799 --> 00:18:06,117
remember that in that, in

741
00:18:06,117 --> 00:18:07,582
that earlier conversation,

742
00:18:07,582 --> 00:18:08,974
um, we were struggling at the table ourselves

743
00:18:08,974 --> 00:18:10,219
with, well,

744
00:18:10,219 --> 00:18:11,098
like, if we're

745
00:18:11,098 --> 00:18:12,416
going to have this,

746
00:18:12,416 --> 00:18:13,808
we need to work on this

747
00:18:13,808 --> 00:18:16,676
. This

748
00:18:16,676 --> 00:18:17,825
requires some

749
00:18:17,825 --> 00:18:19,407
writing. Um, because

750
00:18:19,407 --> 00:18:20,603
we didn't all necessarily

751
00:18:20,603 --> 00:18:21,646
agree even

752
00:18:21,646 --> 00:18:22,781
on the six scars and,

753
00:18:22,781 --> 00:18:23,793
um, certainly on

754
00:18:23,793 --> 00:18:24,897
some of the other things

755
00:18:24,897 --> 00:18:26,040
that were written there. And

756
00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:27,239
then we said to ourselves,

757
00:18:27,239 --> 00:18:28,376
"Well, you know, why do we

758
00:18:28,376 --> 00:18:29,145
have to

759
00:18:29,145 --> 00:18:30,271
fight this? We have,

760
00:18:30,271 --> 00:18:31,528
you know, a job that

761
00:18:31,528 --> 00:18:32,283
involves

762
00:18:32,283 --> 00:18:33,037
actually

763
00:18:33,037 --> 00:18:34,331
running the city...

764
00:18:34,331 --> 00:18:35,481
we" right, I don't

765
00:18:35,481 --> 00:18:36,882
think any of us

766
00:18:36,882 --> 00:18:38,319
; I can definitely say

767
00:18:38,319 --> 00:18:39,433
in the first person

768
00:18:39,433 --> 00:18:40,834
singular, I didn't think there

769
00:18:40,834 --> 00:18:42,128
was anything here, um, that

770
00:18:42,128 --> 00:18:43,278
wasn't useful and

771
00:18:43,278 --> 00:18:44,679
interesting, um, but that it

772
00:18:44,679 --> 00:18:46,109
could be found elsewhere.

773
00:18:46,109 --> 00:18:47,059
Especially the

774
00:18:47,059 --> 00:18:48,069
history part—it's something that, you

775
00:18:48,069 --> 00:18:48,961
know, for that

776
00:18:48,961 --> 00:18:49,763
hypothetical

777
00:18:49,763 --> 00:18:50,921
eighth grader who

778
00:18:50,921 --> 00:18:51,783
wants to understand,

779
00:18:51,783 --> 00:18:52,853
like, "Why

780
00:18:52,853 --> 00:18:53,922
do we do these things this way

781
00:18:53,922 --> 00:18:55,211
?"—has resources

782
00:18:55,211 --> 00:18:56,199
that they can

783
00:18:56,199 --> 00:18:57,417
access, um,

784
00:18:57,417 --> 00:18:58,536
from city government,

785
00:18:58,536 --> 00:18:59,524
from the historical

786
00:18:59,524 --> 00:19:00,775
society and others,

787
00:19:00,775 --> 00:19:01,565
um, to better

788
00:19:01,565 --> 00:19:04,869
understand these things.

789
00:19:04,869 --> 00:19:05,930
So, um, for all of these

790
00:19:05,930 --> 00:19:07,087
reasons, because we

791
00:19:07,087 --> 00:19:08,084
saw it as a

792
00:19:08,084 --> 00:19:09,113
potential point of

793
00:19:09,113 --> 00:19:09,917
unnecessary

794
00:19:09,917 --> 00:19:11,203
conflict, and because

795
00:19:11,203 --> 00:19:12,007
we saw it as

796
00:19:12,007 --> 00:19:12,907
inessential to

797
00:19:12,907 --> 00:19:14,001
creating, you know, an

798
00:19:14,001 --> 00:19:14,901
effective and

799
00:19:14,901 --> 00:19:16,091
clear

800
00:19:16,091 --> 00:19:17,120
rules document for the game, we

801
00:19:17,120 --> 00:19:18,181
collectively decided not to

802
00:19:18,181 --> 00:19:21,940
include it. And as for

803
00:19:21,940 --> 00:19:23,237
me, I'm still

804
00:19:23,237 --> 00:19:24,857
there. I could

805
00:19:24,857 --> 00:19:25,804
be, you know, I'm

806
00:19:25,804 --> 00:19:26,716
open to

807
00:19:26,716 --> 00:19:27,908
talking

808
00:19:27,908 --> 00:19:29,030
about this further if others

809
00:19:29,030 --> 00:19:29,696
besides me are

810
00:19:29,696 --> 00:19:31,099
interested in maybe

811
00:19:31,099 --> 00:19:35,686
coming back to it.

812
00:19:35,686 --> 00:19:36,599
Well, I had a

813
00:19:36,599 --> 00:19:37,513
conversation with Andy

814
00:19:37,513 --> 00:19:40,507
last summer.

815
00:19:40,507 --> 00:19:41,785
It seems like a year

816
00:19:41,785 --> 00:19:43,209
ago. It seems like a

817
00:19:43,209 --> 00:19:43,893
year ago.

818
00:19:43,893 --> 00:19:44,864
Actually, I

819
00:19:44,864 --> 00:19:45,998
think it was just

820
00:19:45,998 --> 00:19:46,873
last spring,

821
00:19:46,873 --> 00:19:47,715
maybe, or

822
00:19:47,715 --> 00:19:49,165
early summer. Um, and

823
00:19:49,165 --> 00:19:50,605
then I brought it up again

824
00:19:50,605 --> 00:19:51,505
in the

825
00:19:51,505 --> 00:19:53,829
meeting. Yes, this is the

826
00:19:53,829 --> 00:19:54,819
second time we've

827
00:19:54,819 --> 00:19:56,229
raised this issue

828
00:19:56,229 --> 00:19:59,413
and

829
00:19:59,413 --> 00:20:00,617
we didn't vote on

830
00:20:00,617 --> 00:20:02,003
it,

831
00:20:02,003 --> 00:20:03,255
but there was a kind of

832
00:20:03,255 --> 00:20:04,100
consensus,

833
00:20:04,100 --> 00:20:05,084
I'm looking for what

834
00:20:05,084 --> 00:20:06,271
agenda it

835
00:20:06,271 --> 00:20:07,594
was on, because we

836
00:20:07,594 --> 00:20:14,185
talked about it recently,

837
00:20:14,185 --> 00:20:15,490
that we're not going to

838
00:20:15,490 --> 00:20:16,941
, um, have a

839
00:20:16,941 --> 00:20:18,066
preamble, and I don't

840
00:20:18,066 --> 00:20:19,481
mind if there isn't one

841
00:20:19,481 --> 00:20:20,787
, but I agree with

842
00:20:20,787 --> 00:20:21,839
Andy that something at the

843
00:20:21,839 --> 00:20:23,036
beginning might be

844
00:20:23,036 --> 00:20:30,962
helpful. I don't know what

845
00:20:30,962 --> 00:20:32,132
, so I look at the

846
00:20:32,132 --> 00:20:35,723
points of the letter. And I don't... I

847
00:20:35,723 --> 00:20:36,963
mean, there's a

848
00:20:36,963 --> 00:20:38,309
lot to discuss about

849
00:20:38,309 --> 00:20:39,478
this, and maybe it's

850
00:20:39,478 --> 00:20:40,859
too late to do it

851
00:20:40,859 --> 00:20:45,016
. But yeah, I mean,

852
00:20:45,016 --> 00:20:46,247
I think I

853
00:20:46,247 --> 00:20:47,620
agree with everything

854
00:20:47,620 --> 00:20:48,922
Peter said about what

855
00:20:48,922 --> 00:20:49,872
our

856
00:20:49,872 --> 00:20:54,134
conversation was like. And I think,

857
00:20:54,134 --> 00:20:55,578
you know, Andy gave them a

858
00:20:55,578 --> 00:20:57,023
one to six, and

859
00:20:57,023 --> 00:20:58,396
I think they're A

860
00:20:58,396 --> 00:20:59,660
to F or something like that in the

861
00:20:59,660 --> 00:21:07,053
current statute, as I

862
00:21:07,053 --> 00:21:09,116
read them. And I think

863
00:21:09,116 --> 00:21:10,212
one of the conversations

864
00:21:10,212 --> 00:21:11,582
was, "Can

865
00:21:11,582 --> 00:21:12,301
we as a city

866
00:21:12,301 --> 00:21:13,637
agree on what this is

867
00:21:13,637 --> 00:21:16,169
?" You know,

868
00:21:16,169 --> 00:21:17,770
because there are

869
00:21:17,770 --> 00:21:19,508
many different opinions in our city,

870
00:21:19,508 --> 00:21:21,338
and the preamble appeared

871
00:21:21,338 --> 00:21:23,449
in the 1984 draft. It so

872
00:21:23,449 --> 00:21:24,669
happened that

873
00:21:24,669 --> 00:21:26,326
the preamble that is

874
00:21:26,326 --> 00:21:28,069
there now belongs to the 80s, the

875
00:21:28,069 --> 00:21:29,719
80s and me. And I

876
00:21:29,719 --> 00:21:30,901
remember that it was

877
00:21:30,901 --> 00:21:32,215
particularly the first time

878
00:21:32,215 --> 00:21:33,462
we had this conversation, and

879
00:21:33,462 --> 00:21:34,546
then it moved on to the

880
00:21:34,546 --> 00:21:35,629
conversation that we

881
00:21:35,629 --> 00:21:36,778
had, probably after

882
00:21:36,778 --> 00:21:38,092
you guys had

883
00:21:38,092 --> 00:21:39,175
this conversation a few

884
00:21:39,175 --> 00:21:40,291
months ago, was

885
00:21:40,291 --> 00:21:41,539
like, you know, there was a

886
00:21:41,539 --> 00:21:42,590
disagreement about

887
00:21:42,590 --> 00:21:43,804
what the history of

888
00:21:43,804 --> 00:21:44,822
our city is, and there's a

889
00:21:44,822 --> 00:21:46,070
question of how to explain

890
00:21:46,070 --> 00:21:47,383
the history of our city,

891
00:21:47,383 --> 00:21:48,696
because some of the history of

892
00:21:48,696 --> 00:21:49,648
our city doesn't

893
00:21:49,648 --> 00:21:50,699
take into account important

894
00:21:50,699 --> 00:21:51,703
things. And there are also,

895
00:21:51,703 --> 00:21:53,057
you know, I think, different

896
00:21:53,057 --> 00:21:53,733
opinions about the

897
00:21:53,733 --> 00:21:54,849
right words and the

898
00:21:54,849 --> 00:21:56,135
right language to

899
00:21:56,135 --> 00:21:57,217
use

900
00:21:57,217 --> 00:21:58,401
if we're going to

901
00:21:58,401 --> 00:21:59,450
use a

902
00:21:59,450 --> 00:22:00,668
1 to 6 or

903
00:22:00,668 --> 00:22:01,953
an A to F. You know, we

904
00:22:01,953 --> 00:22:04,225
had a really hard time, as

905
00:22:04,225 --> 00:22:05,216
avid

906
00:22:05,216 --> 00:22:07,397
observers of the

907
00:22:07,430 --> 00:22:08,040
Charter Vision Commission know,

908
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:09,144
words were really

909
00:22:09,144 --> 00:22:10,186
important to us

910
00:22:10,186 --> 00:22:11,132
throughout

911
00:22:11,132 --> 00:22:12,937
this. And you know, sometimes it's

912
00:22:12,937 --> 00:22:14,173
hard for us to choose

913
00:22:14,173 --> 00:22:15,735
one word to

914
00:22:15,735 --> 00:22:17,005
make sure we're

915
00:22:17,005 --> 00:22:18,240
using one that we

916
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:19,439
think

917
00:22:19,439 --> 00:22:20,568
meets our

918
00:22:20,568 --> 00:22:22,333
expectations and what

919
00:22:23,241 --> 00:22:24,665
our fellow citizens would want,

920
00:22:24,665 --> 00:22:25,857
you know? Or

921
00:22:25,857 --> 00:22:26,990
explains what we

922
00:22:26,990 --> 00:22:28,348
want. So that was

923
00:22:28,348 --> 00:22:30,446
one of the reasons.

924
00:22:30,446 --> 00:22:31,629
For example,

925
00:22:31,629 --> 00:22:32,878
writing a preamble

926
00:22:32,878 --> 00:22:33,799
may seem like an

927
00:22:33,799 --> 00:22:34,982
easy thing for me to do, but

928
00:22:34,982 --> 00:22:36,264
in fact I think

929
00:22:36,264 --> 00:22:37,316
it's probably one of the

930
00:22:37,316 --> 00:22:38,565
most difficult things

931
00:22:38,565 --> 00:22:39,880
for a charter because we're

932
00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:44,037
trying to embody

933
00:22:44,037 --> 00:22:45,011
something that's not just a

934
00:22:45,011 --> 00:22:46,130
rule, but a thought, an

935
00:22:46,130 --> 00:22:47,793
emotion, or a reason. I

936
00:22:47,793 --> 00:22:49,277
think it's much more

937
00:22:49,277 --> 00:22:52,285
complicated. And I'm not saying

938
00:22:52,285 --> 00:22:53,656
we weren't ready

939
00:22:53,656 --> 00:22:54,852
for the difficult stuff,

940
00:22:54,852 --> 00:22:56,189
but as Peter said,

941
00:22:56,189 --> 00:22:57,455
you know, it was like,

942
00:22:57,455 --> 00:22:58,229
if it's not

943
00:22:58,229 --> 00:22:59,565
mandatory, it's not

944
00:22:59,565 --> 00:23:00,796
mandatory, it doesn't

945
00:23:00,796 --> 00:23:02,168
guide our city the way a

946
00:23:02,168 --> 00:23:03,328
charter does–it's a

947
00:23:03,328 --> 00:23:04,700
set of rules that

948
00:23:04,700 --> 00:23:06,072
adds something, and, you know, it

949
00:23:06,072 --> 00:23:07,443
could be something, and I'm not

950
00:23:07,443 --> 00:23:10,309
sure. Anyone in

951
00:23:10,309 --> 00:23:11,408
city government

952
00:23:11,408 --> 00:23:12,669
watching me right now is

953
00:23:12,669 --> 00:23:13,574
probably going to be

954
00:23:13,574 --> 00:23:14,738
pissed, but that doesn't

955
00:23:14,738 --> 00:23:15,869
mean something like that

956
00:23:15,869 --> 00:23:17,098
can't be

957
00:23:17,098 --> 00:23:18,067
posted on the

958
00:23:18,067 --> 00:23:19,167
city's website, where the

959
00:23:19,167 --> 00:23:20,330
bylaw is:

960
00:23:20,330 --> 00:23:21,591
whatever it is, we

961
00:23:21,591 --> 00:23:22,820
don't know because it has to

962
00:23:22,820 --> 00:23:25,531
go to a vote.

963
00:23:25,531 --> 00:23:26,820
And I'm just saying:

964
00:23:26,820 --> 00:23:28,377
ultimately, when we have

965
00:23:28,377 --> 00:23:29,978
some kind of charter,

966
00:23:29,978 --> 00:23:31,268
whether it's in March,

967
00:23:31,268 --> 00:23:32,513
April, May,

968
00:23:32,513 --> 00:23:34,203
June of 2027, whether it's

969
00:23:34,203 --> 00:23:35,671
in 2028 or 2029, there can't

970
00:23:35,671 --> 00:23:37,406
be something that is

971
00:23:37,406 --> 00:23:38,340
, isn't, that isn't

972
00:23:38,340 --> 00:23:39,585
necessarily in the

973
00:23:39,585 --> 00:23:41,275
charter, but it's something

974
00:23:41,275 --> 00:23:42,965
that's added to this

975
00:23:42,965 --> 00:23:44,697
page of the charter.

976
00:23:44,697 --> 00:23:46,069
Do you understand what I'm

977
00:23:46,069 --> 00:23:47,804
talking about? As Peter says, there

978
00:23:47,804 --> 00:23:49,119
are explanations everywhere about

979
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:50,581
how our city

980
00:23:50,581 --> 00:23:51,720
government works,

981
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:52,564
and this may be the

982
00:23:52,564 --> 00:23:54,967
right way.

983
00:23:54,967 --> 00:23:56,055
Another thing we

984
00:23:56,055 --> 00:23:57,271
really try to

985
00:23:57,271 --> 00:23:58,487
do is keep

986
00:23:58,487 --> 00:23:59,383
the charter as

987
00:23:59,383 --> 00:24:00,599
relevant as possible, and if

988
00:24:00,599 --> 00:24:01,527
we add six

989
00:24:01,527 --> 00:24:02,775
points, then a year from now

990
00:24:02,775 --> 00:24:03,767
those six points

991
00:24:03,767 --> 00:24:05,047
may not be as

992
00:24:05,047 --> 00:24:06,007
important as we

993
00:24:06,007 --> 00:24:07,562
think. So, Andy, there

994
00:24:07,562 --> 00:24:08,871
might be ways

995
00:24:08,871 --> 00:24:09,968
to do what you're

996
00:24:09,968 --> 00:24:12,626
thinking without making it a

997
00:24:12,626 --> 00:24:13,898
preamble,

998
00:24:13,898 --> 00:24:15,394
right? Like actually in the

999
00:24:15,394 --> 00:24:16,542
charter, but could it still

1000
00:24:16,542 --> 00:24:17,428
be

1001
00:24:17,428 --> 00:24:21,228
part of a larger

1002
00:24:21,228 --> 00:24:22,490
reason not only

1003
00:24:22,490 --> 00:24:23,752
why we have a charter, but

1004
00:24:23,752 --> 00:24:24,917
why we have the kind of

1005
00:24:24,917 --> 00:24:26,288
government that we do?

1006
00:24:26,288 --> 00:24:27,364
You know, can I

1007
00:24:27,364 --> 00:24:28,683
just answer and

1008
00:24:28,683 --> 00:24:29,968
then I'll give my

1009
00:24:29,968 --> 00:24:31,528
opinion.

1010
00:24:31,528 --> 00:24:33,184
Um, I wanted to ask,

1011
00:24:33,184 --> 00:24:35,598
well, I'll say this. I see

1012
00:24:35,598 --> 00:24:36,538
about three

1013
00:24:36,538 --> 00:24:37,804
sections of the preamble,

1014
00:24:37,804 --> 00:24:39,634
you know. One of them is these

1015
00:24:39,634 --> 00:24:41,373
goals, A to F or

1016
00:24:41,373 --> 00:24:43,069
something like that, 1 to 7, uh

1017
00:24:43,069 --> 00:24:44,634
, 1 to 6. I

1018
00:24:44,634 --> 00:24:46,373
mean, I look at

1019
00:24:46,373 --> 00:24:47,764
this and I was struck by the

1020
00:24:47,764 --> 00:24:49,460
beautiful wording

1021
00:24:49,460 --> 00:24:50,608
. I said, how

1022
00:24:50,608 --> 00:24:51,673
can anyone argue with

1023
00:24:51,673 --> 00:24:52,585
any of these

1024
00:24:52,585 --> 00:24:53,795
six points? So,

1025
00:24:53,795 --> 00:24:54,975
if any of this is

1026
00:24:54,975 --> 00:24:56,187
controversial, it's

1027
00:24:56,187 --> 00:24:57,906
news to me. Then there is the

1028
00:24:57,906 --> 00:24:58,861
history, which is

1029
00:24:58,861 --> 00:24:59,742
complicated for

1030
00:24:59,742 --> 00:25:03,667
Vermont. It is very

1031
00:25:03,667 --> 00:25:04,963
complex, and I understand

1032
00:25:04,963 --> 00:25:06,292
that there are historical books

1033
00:25:06,292 --> 00:25:07,383
that tell

1034
00:25:07,383 --> 00:25:08,474
the story in much

1035
00:25:08,474 --> 00:25:09,497
more detail, but they

1036
00:25:09,497 --> 00:25:10,725
probably won't be

1037
00:25:10,725 --> 00:25:11,884
read by the general

1038
00:25:11,884 --> 00:25:16,137
public. But I

1039
00:25:16,137 --> 00:25:17,353
like your

1040
00:25:17,353 --> 00:25:18,836
idea, Kate, of taking it

1041
00:25:18,836 --> 00:25:20,281
...uh, I think we have a

1042
00:25:20,281 --> 00:25:21,758
history section. Don't

1043
00:25:21,758 --> 00:25:23,010
we have a story

1044
00:25:23,010 --> 00:25:25,285
on the city's website?

1045
00:25:25,285 --> 00:25:26,644
But I'm not sure

1046
00:25:26,644 --> 00:25:27,765
he's specifically

1047
00:25:27,765 --> 00:25:28,989
referring to the history of

1048
00:25:28,989 --> 00:25:29,701
the charter here, is

1049
00:25:29,701 --> 00:25:30,318
he?

1050
00:25:30,318 --> 00:25:31,648
That we had this series of

1051
00:25:31,648 --> 00:25:32,560
charters. So I

1052
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:33,852
tried to say: well

1053
00:25:33,852 --> 00:25:35,011
, let's not go

1054
00:25:35,011 --> 00:25:36,005
into so many

1055
00:25:36,005 --> 00:25:37,065
details, but just

1056
00:25:37,065 --> 00:25:38,290
list the charters

1057
00:25:38,290 --> 00:25:39,795
that we had.

1058
00:25:39,795 --> 00:25:41,196
That's what I meant not to

1059
00:25:41,196 --> 00:25:42,681
rule out all of this,

1060
00:25:42,681 --> 00:25:44,548
you know, there's a lot of

1061
00:25:44,548 --> 00:25:46,031
detail here all the way back to

1062
00:25:46,031 --> 00:25:48,380
March 4, 1791, and so on.

1063
00:25:48,380 --> 00:25:49,673
To exclude all of that, and

1064
00:25:49,673 --> 00:25:50,930
simply say that

1065
00:25:50,930 --> 00:25:52,334
the charter that we have,

1066
00:25:52,334 --> 00:25:53,184
that we are now

1067
00:25:53,184 --> 00:25:54,663
putting forward, is part of a

1068
00:25:54,663 --> 00:25:57,361
certain trend. This is

1069
00:25:57,361 --> 00:25:57,939
actually

1070
00:25:57,939 --> 00:25:58,789
a demonstration of the

1071
00:25:58,789 --> 00:25:59,435
flexibility of

1072
00:25:59,435 --> 00:26:02,103
self-government. If

1073
00:26:02,103 --> 00:26:03,319
you've been following Jill

1074
00:26:03,319 --> 00:26:04,670
LaPour, one of her

1075
00:26:04,670 --> 00:26:05,988
main concerns is

1076
00:26:05,988 --> 00:26:07,340
that when the

1077
00:26:07,340 --> 00:26:08,657
U.S. Constitution was being written, it was

1078
00:26:08,657 --> 00:26:09,874
important to establish

1079
00:26:09,874 --> 00:26:11,381
rules for amending it.

1080
00:26:11,381 --> 00:26:12,845
Well, we stopped

1081
00:26:12,845 --> 00:26:14,973
changing it. Now we

1082
00:26:14,973 --> 00:26:16,098
just let the

1083
00:26:16,098 --> 00:26:17,290
courts decide, and

1084
00:26:17,290 --> 00:26:18,514
it's a big political

1085
00:26:18,514 --> 00:26:19,739
battle, instead of

1086
00:26:19,739 --> 00:26:21,030
us... it was written

1087
00:26:21,030 --> 00:26:22,916
to change it, and here's a

1088
00:26:22,949 --> 00:26:24,273
demonstration in history that

1089
00:26:24,273 --> 00:26:25,498
as a self-governing city

1090
00:26:25,498 --> 00:26:26,755
we have limitations within

1091
00:26:26,755 --> 00:26:28,840
, you know, the

1092
00:26:28,873 --> 00:26:30,131
barriers set by the state... We changed

1093
00:26:30,131 --> 00:26:31,058
our charter to

1094
00:26:31,058 --> 00:26:32,249
fit different

1095
00:26:32,249 --> 00:26:33,242
situations, and here's a

1096
00:26:33,242 --> 00:26:36,506
demonstration of that.

1097
00:26:36,506 --> 00:26:37,723
So this is an evergreen

1098
00:26:37,723 --> 00:26:38,940
lesson for everyone that the

1099
00:26:38,940 --> 00:26:39,532
charter is not

1100
00:26:39,532 --> 00:26:40,519
engraved in

1101
00:26:40,519 --> 00:26:45,023
cement. There is a chain of

1102
00:26:45,023 --> 00:26:46,151
descent, if

1103
00:26:46,151 --> 00:26:47,607
you will, that we are now on the

1104
00:26:47,607 --> 00:26:48,917
fourth or fifth

1105
00:26:48,917 --> 00:26:52,652
iteration. And then the

1106
00:26:52,652 --> 00:26:53,942
last section, I'll

1107
00:26:53,942 --> 00:26:55,043
just say in

1108
00:26:55,043 --> 00:26:56,333
conclusion, and I

1109
00:26:56,333 --> 00:26:57,358
wonder where

1110
00:26:57,358 --> 00:26:58,648
that quote came from,

1111
00:26:58,648 --> 00:27:00,053
because it says

1112
00:27:00,053 --> 00:27:01,153
that in '84 there was a

1113
00:27:01,153 --> 00:27:02,368
significant

1114
00:27:02,368 --> 00:27:10,577
revision made to, um, Act

1115
00:27:10,577 --> 00:27:12,091
Number 302 of 1959

1116
00:27:12,091 --> 00:27:14,867
called the

1117
00:27:14,909 --> 00:27:16,297
Representative Powers Act, as it

1118
00:27:16,297 --> 00:27:17,897
was stated. Then

1119
00:27:17,897 --> 00:27:19,024
, it doesn't say how it

1120
00:27:19,024 --> 00:27:20,183
was stated, who

1121
00:27:20,183 --> 00:27:21,311
said it, or where it is

1122
00:27:21,311 --> 00:27:23,311
located. And here's

1123
00:27:23,311 --> 00:27:25,850
another little thing. This

1124
00:27:25,850 --> 00:27:26,840
charter is a living

1125
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:28,022
document full of

1126
00:27:28,022 --> 00:27:28,789
checks and

1127
00:27:28,789 --> 00:27:31,442
balances. This is true.

1128
00:27:31,442 --> 00:27:32,826
According to which the

1129
00:27:32,826 --> 00:27:34,106
board of elections, you don't mention

1130
00:27:34,106 --> 00:27:35,491
school principals or RTM,

1131
00:27:35,491 --> 00:27:36,598
but according to which the

1132
00:27:36,598 --> 00:27:37,982
board of elections, I think

1133
00:27:37,982 --> 00:27:39,297
in my I said that

1134
00:27:39,297 --> 00:27:40,612
the board of elections, the city

1135
00:27:40,612 --> 00:27:41,824
council and the citizens

1136
00:27:41,824 --> 00:27:42,862
can make

1137
00:27:42,862 --> 00:27:43,866
laws for the good of the

1138
00:27:43,866 --> 00:27:45,166
people. The overall

1139
00:27:45,166 --> 00:27:46,458
governance structure

1140
00:27:46,458 --> 00:27:47,686
was designed to

1141
00:27:47,686 --> 00:27:48,947
be flexible yet

1142
00:27:48,947 --> 00:27:50,142
strong, concise yet

1143
00:27:50,142 --> 00:27:51,306
complete

1144
00:27:51,306 --> 00:27:52,846
to govern the city.

1145
00:27:52,846 --> 00:27:54,127
And I changed the wording a little here

1146
00:27:54,127 --> 00:27:57,032
. But I

1147
00:27:57,032 --> 00:27:58,364
just think that if

1148
00:27:58,364 --> 00:27:59,251
you look at

1149
00:27:59,251 --> 00:28:00,481
the number of words

1150
00:28:00,481 --> 00:28:01,812
you removed from the charter,

1151
00:28:01,812 --> 00:28:03,041
you still achieved

1152
00:28:03,041 --> 00:28:04,236
your optimization

1153
00:28:04,236 --> 00:28:05,432
even if you added

1154
00:28:05,432 --> 00:28:06,422
a couple of paragraphs at

1155
00:28:06,422 --> 00:28:07,719
the beginning to set the

1156
00:28:07,719 --> 00:28:09,368
table. So that's all I'll

1157
00:28:09,368 --> 00:28:10,460
say. But I

1158
00:28:10,460 --> 00:28:11,548
like your

1159
00:28:11,548 --> 00:28:14,179
idea, Kate. If there

1160
00:28:14,179 --> 00:28:15,198
was a

1161
00:28:15,198 --> 00:28:16,649
page on the website where some of

1162
00:28:16,649 --> 00:28:17,982
this language was, I

1163
00:28:17,982 --> 00:28:19,551
think it could be

1164
00:28:19,551 --> 00:28:20,767
done even from the

1165
00:28:20,767 --> 00:28:21,983
1791 charter, from the

1166
00:28:21,983 --> 00:28:23,434
1981 charter,

1167
00:28:23,434 --> 00:28:24,414
because it's part of the

1168
00:28:24,414 --> 00:28:25,865
rationale for what

1169
00:28:25,865 --> 00:28:27,002
we call

1170
00:28:27,002 --> 00:28:28,571
self-government, which is a

1171
00:28:28,571 --> 00:28:29,747
living, changing,

1172
00:28:29,747 --> 00:28:31,237
breathing process,

1173
00:28:31,237 --> 00:28:32,453
not "set it in

1174
00:28:32,453 --> 00:28:33,316
stone and we're

1175
00:28:33,316 --> 00:28:34,610
done, just

1176
00:28:34,610 --> 00:28:38,731
follow the rules."

1177
00:28:38,731 --> 00:28:40,693
This is not true. It is a

1178
00:28:40,693 --> 00:28:41,616
constant search

1179
00:28:41,616 --> 00:28:42,722
to meet the needs of

1180
00:28:42,722 --> 00:28:43,522
the present and the

1181
00:28:43,522 --> 00:28:44,413
future, both

1182
00:28:44,413 --> 00:28:45,458
short-term

1183
00:28:45,458 --> 00:28:47,284
and long-term.

1184
00:28:47,284 --> 00:28:48,614
So anyway,

1185
00:28:48,614 --> 00:28:49,998
that's all I'll say. But

1186
00:28:49,998 --> 00:28:51,001
I like

1187
00:28:51,001 --> 00:28:52,223
your idea, Kate, that it's

1188
00:28:52,223 --> 00:28:53,743
possible. But, you know,

1189
00:28:53,743 --> 00:28:54,721
when you go to the

1190
00:28:54,721 --> 00:28:55,600
Vermont

1191
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:56,708
Public

1192
00:28:56,708 --> 00:28:57,620
Library branch or

1193
00:28:57,620 --> 00:28:58,435
use

1194
00:28:58,435 --> 00:28:59,640
the Internet, the story

1195
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:00,422
sometimes

1196
00:29:00,422 --> 00:29:01,334
appeals more to the

1197
00:29:01,334 --> 00:29:02,572
young person when

1198
00:29:02,572 --> 00:29:03,615
it's

1199
00:29:03,615 --> 00:29:04,331
right there, in the

1200
00:29:04,331 --> 00:29:05,537
context of what the

1201
00:29:05,537 --> 00:29:08,177
project is. For example,

1202
00:29:08,177 --> 00:29:09,184
we want you to

1203
00:29:09,184 --> 00:29:10,353
go to

1204
00:29:10,353 --> 00:29:11,165
town meeting this year,

1205
00:29:11,165 --> 00:29:12,335
get extra

1206
00:29:12,335 --> 00:29:13,472
points, take a

1207
00:29:13,472 --> 00:29:14,479
copy of the charter with you, and

1208
00:29:14,479 --> 00:29:15,518
see how it

1209
00:29:15,518 --> 00:29:16,817
changes your view of

1210
00:29:16,817 --> 00:29:19,108
the world. And if that

1211
00:29:19,108 --> 00:29:20,138
includes reading

1212
00:29:20,138 --> 00:29:21,373
Vermont history, I do

1213
00:29:21,373 --> 00:29:22,540
n’t think that’s as

1214
00:29:22,540 --> 00:29:23,844
effective as just

1215
00:29:23,844 --> 00:29:24,600
saying, “Oh,

1216
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:25,988
look at this. This

1217
00:29:25,988 --> 00:29:27,783
thing I'm sitting next to

1218
00:29:27,783 --> 00:29:28,949
here in the city, in the

1219
00:29:28,949 --> 00:29:30,699
school gym,

1220
00:29:30,699 --> 00:29:33,914
dates back to the 1750s,

1221
00:29:33,914 --> 00:29:35,190
you know? And that

1222
00:29:35,190 --> 00:29:36,392
little piece of

1223
00:29:36,392 --> 00:29:37,594
history, Colonel, is

1224
00:29:37,594 --> 00:29:38,929
sometimes more important than

1225
00:29:38,929 --> 00:29:40,097
saying, "Oh, just

1226
00:29:40,097 --> 00:29:41,032
get the complete

1227
00:29:41,032 --> 00:29:42,133
history of Vermont,

1228
00:29:42,133 --> 00:29:43,468
read it on your

1229
00:29:43,468 --> 00:29:44,770
next vacation

1230
00:29:44,770 --> 00:29:46,981
." “It's sometimes more effective in the context of

1231
00:29:46,981 --> 00:29:47,795
something

1232
00:29:47,795 --> 00:29:51,329
. That's

1233
00:29:51,329 --> 00:29:52,577
all. Thank you for the time

1234
00:29:52,577 --> 00:29:53,374
you

1235
00:29:53,374 --> 00:29:54,673
gave me. I'll

1236
00:29:54,673 --> 00:29:55,754
stay a little longer and listen to

1237
00:29:55,754 --> 00:29:56,778
you talk about

1238
00:29:56,778 --> 00:29:57,604
how you can

1239
00:29:57,604 --> 00:29:58,087
involve

1240
00:29:58,087 --> 00:29:58,998
the public in

1241
00:29:58,998 --> 00:30:00,050
this process, but I

1242
00:30:00,050 --> 00:30:00,932
think it was

1243
00:30:00,932 --> 00:30:02,057
well organized.

1244
00:30:02,057 --> 00:30:02,905
If you guys

1245
00:30:02,905 --> 00:30:03,782
decide to make

1246
00:30:03,782 --> 00:30:04,718
a change or if this

1247
00:30:04,718 --> 00:30:05,741
issue comes up at a

1248
00:30:05,741 --> 00:30:06,560
board meeting

1249
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:07,525
, well, you

1250
00:30:07,525 --> 00:30:08,867
know how I feel.

1251
00:30:08,867 --> 00:30:10,153
No, I thank you for

1252
00:30:10,153 --> 00:30:11,439
paying attention to what

1253
00:30:11,439 --> 00:30:12,792
we're doing because you

1254
00:30:12,792 --> 00:30:14,511
were here at the beginning.

1255
00:30:14,511 --> 00:30:15,744
I know

1256
00:30:15,744 --> 00:30:17,116
you were here. So,

1257
00:30:17,116 --> 00:30:17,962
well, I was trying to

1258
00:30:17,962 --> 00:30:19,019
get on this

1259
00:30:19,019 --> 00:30:20,107
committee, and I was saying

1260
00:30:20,107 --> 00:30:21,256
that my prayers are for

1261
00:30:21,256 --> 00:30:22,404
thanksgiving for

1262
00:30:22,404 --> 00:30:23,462
not getting elected for the

1263
00:30:23,462 --> 00:30:24,429
last few

1264
00:30:24,429 --> 00:30:26,687
years. Because you all

1265
00:30:26,687 --> 00:30:28,542
did the work.

1266
00:30:28,542 --> 00:30:30,092
So thank you for that. And

1267
00:30:30,092 --> 00:30:31,771
I'm serious about it.

1268
00:30:31,771 --> 00:30:34,004
Thank you. So, well, I

1269
00:30:34,004 --> 00:30:35,621
know how I feel, and

1270
00:30:35,621 --> 00:30:37,113
I really appreciate everything

1271
00:30:37,113 --> 00:30:40,440
Andy said. Um, but I

1272
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,449
still, um, feel like

1273
00:30:42,449 --> 00:30:46,912
we discussed it, and

1274
00:30:46,912 --> 00:30:48,291
I don't mind there being no

1275
00:30:48,291 --> 00:30:50,036
preamble.

1276
00:30:50,036 --> 00:30:51,399
Agree. I

1277
00:30:51,399 --> 00:30:52,486
like your

1278
00:30:52,486 --> 00:30:53,008
idea too."

1279
00:30:53,008 --> 00:30:55,136
Yes. I think we should

1280
00:30:55,136 --> 00:30:56,480
write something, I don't

1281
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:57,862
know who will write it,

1282
00:30:57,862 --> 00:30:59,420
or,

1283
00:30:59,420 --> 00:31:00,555
well, we should

1284
00:31:00,555 --> 00:31:01,691
do it, as soon as the

1285
00:31:01,691 --> 00:31:03,028
charter is adopted,

1286
00:31:03,028 --> 00:31:04,264
then the new thing will start

1287
00:31:04,264 --> 00:31:04,776
.

1288
00:31:04,776 --> 00:31:05,169
Yes.

1289
00:31:05,169 --> 00:31:06,731
So we have some time

1290
00:31:06,731 --> 00:31:06,872
.

1291
00:31:06,872 --> 00:31:09,971
So something could be a

1292
00:31:09,971 --> 00:31:11,232
kind of introduction

1293
00:31:11,232 --> 00:31:12,353
to the charter or something like

1294
00:31:12,353 --> 00:31:12,892
that.

1295
00:31:12,892 --> 00:31:13,655
Yes.

1296
00:31:13,655 --> 00:31:15,403
This is not a preamble, but

1297
00:31:15,403 --> 00:31:16,362
on the website.

1298
00:31:16,362 --> 00:31:16,750
Yes.

1299
00:31:16,750 --> 00:31:17,642
I

1300
00:31:17,642 --> 00:31:18,906
like this idea too.

1301
00:31:18,906 --> 00:31:20,454
Yes. Good. We could

1302
00:31:20,454 --> 00:31:21,820
call this the introduction to the

1303
00:31:21,928 --> 00:31:22,729
Truth

1304
00:31:22,729 --> 00:31:23,438
Proud

1305
00:31:23,438 --> 00:31:25,669
World Charter

1306
00:31:25,669 --> 00:31:27,150
or something like that. That's what

1307
00:31:27,150 --> 00:31:28,003
you were thinking.

1308
00:31:28,003 --> 00:31:30,599
That's what I'm thinking. And

1309
00:31:30,599 --> 00:31:31,724
yes, I can look at that

1310
00:31:31,724 --> 00:31:32,612
.

1311
00:31:32,612 --> 00:31:35,220
Yes.

1312
00:31:35,220 --> 00:31:36,523
And through our educational

1313
00:31:36,523 --> 00:31:37,655
part, part of

1314
00:31:37,655 --> 00:31:38,787
it is explaining to

1315
00:31:38,787 --> 00:31:40,021
people that there is, I

1316
00:31:40,021 --> 00:31:41,325
mean, we have a few

1317
00:31:41,325 --> 00:31:42,457
short sentences in

1318
00:31:42,457 --> 00:31:43,760
the memorandum that

1319
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:44,960
we'll talk about later on

1320
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:46,229
about the history, it's our

1321
00:31:46,229 --> 00:31:49,866
kind of version of a charter.

1322
00:31:49,866 --> 00:31:50,659
So we're going to

1323
00:31:50,659 --> 00:31:51,927
talk about it through

1324
00:31:51,927 --> 00:31:53,164
this thing, and it might give

1325
00:31:53,164 --> 00:31:54,877
us some language to

1326
00:31:54,909 --> 00:31:57,077
use.

1327
00:31:57,077 --> 00:32:00,366
Good. Um, so if we

1328
00:32:00,366 --> 00:32:01,458
think everything is

1329
00:32:01,458 --> 00:32:03,775
ready,

1330
00:32:03,775 --> 00:32:04,977
I don't know if anyone

1331
00:32:04,977 --> 00:32:05,756
wants to make a

1332
00:32:05,756 --> 00:32:09,312
suggestion that

1333
00:32:09,312 --> 00:32:10,668
if I

1334
00:32:10,668 --> 00:32:11,987
fix this, then everything

1335
00:32:11,987 --> 00:32:14,027
will be

1336
00:32:14,027 --> 00:32:15,328
fine. Are we ready

1337
00:32:15,328 --> 00:32:16,341
to make a final

1338
00:32:16,341 --> 00:32:17,235
proposal for

1339
00:32:17,235 --> 00:32:18,189
the adoption of our

1340
00:32:18,189 --> 00:32:19,351
charter, or do we want to

1341
00:32:19,351 --> 00:32:21,669
drag out the process?

1342
00:32:21,669 --> 00:32:23,002
No, you can make

1343
00:32:23,002 --> 00:32:23,860
a suggestion.

1344
00:32:23,860 --> 00:32:35,736
I propose that, with

1345
00:32:35,736 --> 00:32:37,088
these two

1346
00:32:37,088 --> 00:32:38,233
minor changes, we

1347
00:32:38,233 --> 00:32:39,620
approve the charter

1348
00:32:39,620 --> 00:32:40,800
before

1349
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:41,701
us tonight

1350
00:32:41,701 --> 00:32:42,742
as our

1351
00:32:42,742 --> 00:32:44,095
recommendation to the community

1352
00:32:44,095 --> 00:32:45,869
.

1353
00:32:45,869 --> 00:32:47,998
Secondly.

1354
00:32:47,998 --> 00:32:49,864
Good. Peter

1355
00:32:49,864 --> 00:32:51,141
proposed, and Maya

1356
00:32:51,141 --> 00:32:52,267
seconded, that

1357
00:32:52,267 --> 00:32:53,469
with the two

1358
00:32:53,469 --> 00:32:54,820
minor changes

1359
00:32:54,820 --> 00:32:56,209
we mentioned

1360
00:32:56,209 --> 00:32:57,711
tonight, we accept

1361
00:32:57,711 --> 00:32:59,175
this version, the version of

1362
00:32:59,175 --> 00:33:00,565
September 23, 2026, as

1363
00:33:00,565 --> 00:33:01,991
our...Oh, does anyone want

1364
00:33:01,991 --> 00:33:03,469
to talk to us? Oh,

1365
00:33:03,469 --> 00:33:04,932
Neil. Yes. But I'll make

1366
00:33:04,932 --> 00:33:05,853
a proposal, and then

1367
00:33:05,853 --> 00:33:06,774
we'll talk before we

1368
00:33:06,774 --> 00:33:07,642
vote...

1369
00:33:07,642 --> 00:33:08,047
Yes.

1370
00:33:08,047 --> 00:33:09,448
Um, that we accept this

1371
00:33:09,448 --> 00:33:09,939
as our

1372
00:33:09,939 --> 00:33:12,747
recommended changes

1373
00:33:12,747 --> 00:33:13,872
that we will submit to

1374
00:33:13,872 --> 00:33:16,014
the voters. Um,

1375
00:33:16,014 --> 00:33:17,192
and I was careless

1376
00:33:17,192 --> 00:33:19,189
not to mention this earlier tonight

1377
00:33:19,222 --> 00:33:20,599
than I intended.

1378
00:33:20,599 --> 00:33:22,109
Um, there's Joy, who's still

1379
00:33:22,109 --> 00:33:23,699
on our committee on

1380
00:33:23,699 --> 00:33:24,714
behalf of everyone.

1381
00:33:24,714 --> 00:33:25,256
She just had a

1382
00:33:25,256 --> 00:33:26,286
sudden

1383
00:33:26,286 --> 00:33:27,343
problem that she

1384
00:33:27,343 --> 00:33:28,211
can't...be here tonight

1385
00:33:28,211 --> 00:33:29,297
. I

1386
00:33:29,297 --> 00:33:31,403
talked to her. Um, I

1387
00:33:31,403 --> 00:33:32,702
talked to her yesterday

1388
00:33:32,702 --> 00:33:33,936
about what she thought

1389
00:33:33,936 --> 00:33:35,235
about the draft charter and the

1390
00:33:35,235 --> 00:33:36,144
memorandum, and I'll

1391
00:33:36,144 --> 00:33:36,794
get to the

1392
00:33:36,794 --> 00:33:38,028
memorandum when we

1393
00:33:38,028 --> 00:33:39,942
get there. She is

1394
00:33:39,942 --> 00:33:42,430
fine with that. Um, and she'll

1395
00:33:42,430 --> 00:33:43,781
come back when we

1396
00:33:43,781 --> 00:33:45,354
get engaged, etc. So

1397
00:33:45,354 --> 00:33:46,973
I…I wanted to point out

1398
00:33:46,973 --> 00:33:50,045
that Joyy's didn't

1399
00:33:50,045 --> 00:33:58,720
give up at first. Um, Neil,

1400
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:00,471
I think it's Neil, right?

1401
00:34:00,471 --> 00:34:00,865
Yes.

1402
00:34:00,865 --> 00:34:01,698
Okay, like this

1403
00:34:01,698 --> 00:34:03,479
. Can

1404
00:34:03,479 --> 00:34:04,913
you hear me now?

1405
00:34:04,913 --> 00:34:05,935
Yes, we hear.

1406
00:34:05,935 --> 00:34:07,743
Good. Thank you. First of

1407
00:34:07,743 --> 00:34:08,732
all, I really want to

1408
00:34:08,732 --> 00:34:09,892
thank

1409
00:34:09,892 --> 00:34:11,086
your entire committee for the

1410
00:34:11,086 --> 00:34:13,475
hours and hours that you

1411
00:34:13,475 --> 00:34:14,737
people have put in to

1412
00:34:14,737 --> 00:34:15,897
try to make

1413
00:34:15,897 --> 00:34:16,920
some positive

1414
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:18,623
changes. There are some of them that

1415
00:34:18,623 --> 00:34:19,756
I

1416
00:34:19,756 --> 00:34:21,062
still disagree with, of course, but I

1417
00:34:21,062 --> 00:34:22,402
know you put

1418
00:34:22,402 --> 00:34:23,742
a lot of work into

1419
00:34:23,742 --> 00:34:27,565
making this. One question

1420
00:34:27,565 --> 00:34:28,860
I have is,

1421
00:34:28,860 --> 00:34:30,010
uh, for the city, the

1422
00:34:30,010 --> 00:34:31,053
first meeting is an

1423
00:34:31,053 --> 00:34:32,131
open city

1424
00:34:32,131 --> 00:34:33,353
meeting where, uh, the

1425
00:34:33,353 --> 00:34:34,216
board of elections

1426
00:34:34,216 --> 00:34:35,654
presents the budget, and

1427
00:34:35,654 --> 00:34:36,373
then it is

1428
00:34:36,373 --> 00:34:37,308
discussed and

1429
00:34:37,308 --> 00:34:42,652
amended? And

1430
00:34:42,652 --> 00:34:43,849
are they

1431
00:34:43,849 --> 00:34:44,846
amended by

1432
00:34:44,846 --> 00:34:46,143
motion, uh, or are

1433
00:34:46,143 --> 00:34:47,207
amendments just…

1434
00:34:47,207 --> 00:34:48,038
Take it away and

1435
00:34:48,038 --> 00:34:48,902
go back with an

1436
00:34:48,902 --> 00:34:49,700
amendment to the

1437
00:34:49,700 --> 00:34:53,791
elected council? Um,

1438
00:34:53,791 --> 00:34:54,967
part of the open

1439
00:34:54,967 --> 00:34:56,498
town meeting

1440
00:34:56,498 --> 00:34:57,730
that will be held in

1441
00:34:57,730 --> 00:34:58,248
January.

1442
00:34:58,248 --> 00:35:04,464
Yes. This would be done in the same way that

1443
00:35:04,495 --> 00:35:05,735
open

1444
00:35:05,735 --> 00:35:06,665
town meetings are currently held,

1445
00:35:06,665 --> 00:35:07,472
meaning that the elected councils' budgets could be adopted at

1446
00:35:07,472 --> 00:35:08,526
open town

1447
00:35:08,526 --> 00:35:10,231
meetings

1448
00:35:10,262 --> 00:35:16,118
. They

1449
00:35:16,118 --> 00:35:16,814
can

1450
00:35:16,814 --> 00:35:17,575
reject it and

1451
00:35:17,575 --> 00:35:18,551
return it. They

1452
00:35:18,551 --> 00:35:19,496
can make

1453
00:35:19,496 --> 00:35:22,577
amendments to it. It will be so

1454
00:35:22,577 --> 00:35:23,926
that there will be

1455
00:35:23,926 --> 00:35:26,421
no difference, except for the date.

1456
00:35:26,421 --> 00:35:27,221
So this is

1457
00:35:27,221 --> 00:35:28,614
comparable to what we

1458
00:35:28,614 --> 00:35:29,898
used to call RTF.

1459
00:35:29,898 --> 00:35:31,359
That's right. This is the same thing

1460
00:35:31,359 --> 00:35:32,643
we just did in

1461
00:35:32,643 --> 00:35:33,894
April of this year or

1462
00:35:33,894 --> 00:35:35,748
so, this year.

1463
00:35:35,748 --> 00:35:37,023
And then this, and then this will be what it will be

1464
00:35:37,023 --> 00:35:39,470
, except it will be

1465
00:35:39,504 --> 00:35:40,814
in January, and then this is the

1466
00:35:40,814 --> 00:35:42,089
budget that will be

1467
00:35:42,089 --> 00:35:42,916
put to a

1468
00:35:42,916 --> 00:35:43,813
vote in

1469
00:35:43,813 --> 00:35:46,267
March.

1470
00:35:46,267 --> 00:35:47,844
Good. And at these

1471
00:35:47,844 --> 00:35:49,011
open town

1472
00:35:49,011 --> 00:35:52,839
meetings, are there any

1473
00:35:52,839 --> 00:35:54,176
quorum restrictions or

1474
00:35:54,176 --> 00:35:55,918
anything like that? I think

1475
00:35:55,918 --> 00:35:57,195
maybe it was

1476
00:35:57,195 --> 00:35:58,329
because, um,

1477
00:35:58,329 --> 00:35:59,393
we had

1478
00:35:59,393 --> 00:36:00,811
pretty bad weather in January

1479
00:36:00,811 --> 00:36:02,017
and people decided not to

1480
00:36:02,017 --> 00:36:03,582
come. So you're going to have a

1481
00:36:03,582 --> 00:36:04,756
much smaller

1482
00:36:04,756 --> 00:36:05,802
population in terms of

1483
00:36:05,802 --> 00:36:07,040
making those kinds of

1484
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:11,204
judgments. We

1485
00:36:11,204 --> 00:36:12,453
talked to the city

1486
00:36:12,453 --> 00:36:13,510
attorney about this

1487
00:36:13,510 --> 00:36:14,663
, and since

1488
00:36:14,663 --> 00:36:15,688
we're dealing with

1489
00:36:15,688 --> 00:36:16,905
all the...voters,

1490
00:36:16,905 --> 00:36:19,128
because there were 9,000 of us in all.

1491
00:36:19,380 --> 00:36:20,787
9,000 voters are

1492
00:36:20,787 --> 00:36:22,466
gone, and these are not elected

1493
00:36:22,466 --> 00:36:24,305
...there's a difference. When it

1494
00:36:24,305 --> 00:36:25,690
was a representative

1495
00:36:25,690 --> 00:36:26,783
town meeting, they

1496
00:36:26,783 --> 00:36:28,022
were elected, and, you know,

1497
00:36:28,022 --> 00:36:29,371
about

1498
00:36:29,371 --> 00:36:30,826
140 people were elected. But since

1499
00:36:30,826 --> 00:36:31,939
it's an open

1500
00:36:31,939 --> 00:36:33,253
town meeting now, and there's no

1501
00:36:33,253 --> 00:36:34,534
requirement to be elected,

1502
00:36:34,534 --> 00:36:35,849
which means

1503
00:36:35,849 --> 00:36:38,045
9,000 people can come, we can't

1504
00:36:38,045 --> 00:36:39,103
set a

1505
00:36:39,103 --> 00:36:40,317
core or require one

1506
00:36:40,317 --> 00:36:40,449
.

1507
00:36:40,449 --> 00:36:41,833
Right? He, he,

1508
00:36:41,833 --> 00:36:43,115
actually, um, we

1509
00:36:43,115 --> 00:36:43,907
also talked about this

1510
00:36:43,907 --> 00:36:44,455
: what if we didn't

1511
00:36:44,455 --> 00:36:45,084
use

1512
00:36:45,084 --> 00:36:45,694
the word "quorum" and

1513
00:36:45,694 --> 00:36:46,140
called it

1514
00:36:46,140 --> 00:36:46,607
the minimum

1515
00:36:46,607 --> 00:36:47,358
number of voters

1516
00:36:47,358 --> 00:36:47,927
needed to

1517
00:36:47,927 --> 00:36:48,789
take action? And we

1518
00:36:48,789 --> 00:36:49,505
were told that if it

1519
00:36:49,505 --> 00:36:50,046
was what if it wasn't

1520
00:36:50,046 --> 00:36:50,472
called the

1521
00:36:50,472 --> 00:36:50,917
minimum

1522
00:36:50,917 --> 00:36:51,632
number of voters

1523
00:36:51,632 --> 00:36:52,174
needed to

1524
00:36:52,174 --> 00:36:53,124
take action? And we

1525
00:36:53,124 --> 00:36:54,267
were informed that, if

1526
00:36:54,267 --> 00:36:55,132
it were not

1527
00:36:55,132 --> 00:36:56,151
called something

1528
00:36:56,151 --> 00:36:57,232
else, it would still be a

1529
00:36:57,232 --> 00:36:58,375
quorum, and that quorums

1530
00:36:58,375 --> 00:36:59,239
are for

1531
00:36:59,239 --> 00:36:59,981
bodies where there is a

1532
00:36:59,981 --> 00:37:00,691
set

1533
00:37:00,691 --> 00:37:03,468
number of people. Um,

1534
00:37:03,468 --> 00:37:04,681
yes, we currently have 9,000

1535
00:37:04,681 --> 00:37:05,715
registered

1536
00:37:05,715 --> 00:37:07,107
voters, but over time there

1537
00:37:07,107 --> 00:37:08,391
may be more or

1538
00:37:08,391 --> 00:37:09,818
fewer registered

1539
00:37:09,818 --> 00:37:12,673
voters. So there's no

1540
00:37:12,673 --> 00:37:13,640
set number, a

1541
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:15,036
fixed number would be

1542
00:37:15,036 --> 00:37:16,397
...Um, there's no quorum, just like

1543
00:37:16,397 --> 00:37:17,758
saying a

1544
00:37:17,758 --> 00:37:19,083
majority of the

1545
00:37:19,083 --> 00:37:20,479
commission members must be

1546
00:37:20,479 --> 00:37:21,911
present to take

1547
00:37:21,911 --> 00:37:23,662
action. So, um,

1548
00:37:23,662 --> 00:37:25,206
I see what you mean

1549
00:37:25,206 --> 00:37:26,732
. My concern is

1550
00:37:26,732 --> 00:37:27,800
that if we

1551
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,188
have really terrible

1552
00:37:29,188 --> 00:37:31,433
weather or something

1553
00:37:31,433 --> 00:37:33,010
and there are only,

1554
00:37:33,010 --> 00:37:35,611
say, 20-30 people there,

1555
00:37:35,611 --> 00:37:37,404
those 20-30 people will now

1556
00:37:37,404 --> 00:37:41,435
have a significant

1557
00:37:41,435 --> 00:37:42,946
impact on the budget, which

1558
00:37:42,946 --> 00:37:44,070
then could be

1559
00:37:44,070 --> 00:37:45,621
offset by only 60% of the

1560
00:37:45,621 --> 00:37:47,016
2,000 or so people

1561
00:37:47,016 --> 00:37:48,528
who would normally come

1562
00:37:48,528 --> 00:37:51,317
to another vote,

1563
00:37:51,317 --> 00:37:52,291
um, which seems

1564
00:37:52,291 --> 00:37:52,882
relatively

1565
00:37:52,882 --> 00:37:55,752
unbalanced. Yes,

1566
00:37:55,752 --> 00:37:57,198
you go first. You

1567
00:37:57,198 --> 00:37:58,453
have...you are leaving.

1568
00:37:58,453 --> 00:37:59,831
Good. So, um, I want to

1569
00:37:59,831 --> 00:38:00,745
make a comment

1570
00:38:00,745 --> 00:38:01,774
on that and a little bit

1571
00:38:01,774 --> 00:38:02,861
more of the history of how

1572
00:38:02,861 --> 00:38:03,990
we looked at it.

1573
00:38:03,990 --> 00:38:04,523
Um, and then

1574
00:38:04,523 --> 00:38:05,590
come back to it

1575
00:38:05,590 --> 00:38:06,471
when we're done

1576
00:38:06,471 --> 00:38:07,271
discussing this

1577
00:38:07,271 --> 00:38:08,266
quorum issue. I

1578
00:38:08,266 --> 00:38:09,425
want to go back to

1579
00:38:09,425 --> 00:38:10,553
your original

1580
00:38:10,553 --> 00:38:11,587
question because I

1581
00:38:11,587 --> 00:38:12,652
think there's another

1582
00:38:12,652 --> 00:38:13,843
thing that we did in

1583
00:38:13,843 --> 00:38:14,971
this recommended

1584
00:38:14,971 --> 00:38:15,723
charter that is

1585
00:38:15,723 --> 00:38:16,976
important in terms of

1586
00:38:16,976 --> 00:38:18,136
how, um, the

1587
00:38:18,136 --> 00:38:18,762
budget hearing in

1588
00:38:18,762 --> 00:38:20,016
open session

1589
00:38:20,016 --> 00:38:21,269
will be different from how

1590
00:38:21,269 --> 00:38:22,487
it was. Um,

1591
00:38:22,487 --> 00:38:23,811
about the Quorum Question,

1592
00:38:23,811 --> 00:38:25,066
you know, some of us,

1593
00:38:25,066 --> 00:38:26,182
maybe all of us, I

1594
00:38:26,182 --> 00:38:27,541
know I share your

1595
00:38:27,541 --> 00:38:28,998
concern. Um, I

1596
00:38:28,998 --> 00:38:29,962
think

1597
00:38:29,962 --> 00:38:31,212
we talked about it

1598
00:38:31,212 --> 00:38:32,287
at different times, each of

1599
00:38:32,287 --> 00:38:33,277
us putting it in

1600
00:38:33,277 --> 00:38:34,097
our own words,

1601
00:38:34,097 --> 00:38:34,861
like what

1602
00:38:34,861 --> 00:38:35,653
number would be the

1603
00:38:35,653 --> 00:38:36,659
appropriate threshold.

1604
00:38:36,659 --> 00:38:37,512
You know, we were kind of

1605
00:38:37,512 --> 00:38:38,243
heading towards

1606
00:38:38,243 --> 00:38:39,431
establishing a quorum

1607
00:38:39,431 --> 00:38:40,238
. Um, and then we

1608
00:38:40,238 --> 00:38:41,239
got very clear

1609
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:42,214
advice that it would be

1610
00:38:42,214 --> 00:38:43,215
inappropriate for that

1611
00:38:43,215 --> 00:38:44,243
form of meeting, so

1612
00:38:44,243 --> 00:38:45,218
we ultimately didn't

1613
00:38:45,218 --> 00:38:46,327
do it. But, uh, I

1614
00:38:46,327 --> 00:38:47,568
think it's a legitimate

1615
00:38:47,568 --> 00:38:48,808
concern, and, uh,

1616
00:38:48,808 --> 00:38:50,116
one of the things that we

1617
00:38:50,116 --> 00:38:51,088
maybe just

1618
00:38:51,088 --> 00:38:52,396
need to consider is,

1619
00:38:52,396 --> 00:38:53,402
you know, it's a living

1620
00:38:53,402 --> 00:38:54,704
document. Uh, we have a

1621
00:38:54,704 --> 00:38:55,400
provision in the

1622
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:56,666
document and in the

1623
00:38:56,666 --> 00:38:57,869
state law about how it

1624
00:38:57,869 --> 00:38:58,976
can be changed, and you

1625
00:38:58,976 --> 00:39:00,020
know that could

1626
00:39:00,020 --> 00:39:01,096
be, uh, a matter

1627
00:39:01,096 --> 00:39:01,982
for

1628
00:39:01,982 --> 00:39:03,026
reconsideration at some

1629
00:39:03,026 --> 00:39:04,070
point if we

1630
00:39:04,070 --> 00:39:05,310
have a bad experience

1631
00:39:05,310 --> 00:39:06,686
with it, uh.

1632
00:39:06,686 --> 00:39:07,484
Let me

1633
00:39:07,484 --> 00:39:08,567
just intervene and

1634
00:39:08,567 --> 00:39:09,394
then you can

1635
00:39:09,394 --> 00:39:10,526
continue. Another

1636
00:39:10,526 --> 00:39:11,735
thing that came up, Neil

1637
00:39:11,735 --> 00:39:12,974
, when we were talking about

1638
00:39:12,974 --> 00:39:14,089
this is that there's nothing

1639
00:39:14,089 --> 00:39:15,174
stopping two people from

1640
00:39:15,174 --> 00:39:16,320
going to the gym and

1641
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:17,528
actually saying,

1642
00:39:17,528 --> 00:39:18,675
we're going to, we're

1643
00:39:18,675 --> 00:39:19,790
going to take a

1644
00:39:19,790 --> 00:39:20,564
break from this

1645
00:39:20,564 --> 00:39:21,308
meeting until...

1646
00:39:21,308 --> 00:39:22,400
next week.

1647
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,040
Do you understand what I mean? And

1648
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:24,830
that was also

1649
00:39:24,830 --> 00:39:26,094
part of the problem, because

1650
00:39:26,094 --> 00:39:27,042
if we don't

1651
00:39:27,042 --> 00:39:27,990
do that, if we

1652
00:39:27,990 --> 00:39:28,970
say, "Well, there's 200

1653
00:39:28,970 --> 00:39:30,203
people as a quorum, if

1654
00:39:30,203 --> 00:39:31,056
only 20 people

1655
00:39:31,056 --> 00:39:31,814
can

1656
00:39:31,814 --> 00:39:33,047
get in there, those 20 people

1657
00:39:33,047 --> 00:39:34,190
can't even,

1658
00:39:34,190 --> 00:39:35,314
you know, interrupt the

1659
00:39:35,314 --> 00:39:36,767
meeting." So there is a

1660
00:39:36,767 --> 00:39:38,607
mechanism by which the

1661
00:39:38,643 --> 00:39:39,704
meeting can be

1662
00:39:39,704 --> 00:39:41,366
postponed

1663
00:39:41,366 --> 00:39:42,693
in case of bad weather, then,

1664
00:39:42,693 --> 00:39:43,209
you know,

1665
00:39:43,209 --> 00:39:44,574
most likely, it will be

1666
00:39:44,574 --> 00:39:45,938
postponed to another

1667
00:39:45,938 --> 00:39:47,190
time. Yes. But

1668
00:39:47,190 --> 00:39:48,256
I mean, it

1669
00:39:48,256 --> 00:39:49,179
could be something

1670
00:39:49,179 --> 00:39:50,246
like CO, which, you know,

1671
00:39:50,246 --> 00:39:51,198
none of us could have

1672
00:39:51,198 --> 00:39:54,185
predicted, but then

1673
00:39:54,185 --> 00:39:54,894
thank you.

1674
00:39:54,894 --> 00:39:56,489
Of course. One more

1675
00:39:56,489 --> 00:39:57,772
question regarding, uh,

1676
00:39:57,772 --> 00:39:59,128
budget consideration at the

1677
00:39:59,128 --> 00:40:01,504
town meeting. We

1678
00:40:01,504 --> 00:40:02,667
added a provision, and

1679
00:40:02,667 --> 00:40:03,797
it's in

1680
00:40:03,797 --> 00:40:04,863
Item D on

1681
00:40:04,863 --> 00:40:05,896
page seven of the clean

1682
00:40:05,896 --> 00:40:07,156
draft, that requires that

1683
00:40:07,156 --> 00:40:08,221
if the open

1684
00:40:08,221 --> 00:40:09,513
meeting makes changes to

1685
00:40:09,513 --> 00:40:10,030
the budget

1686
00:40:10,030 --> 00:40:11,031
proposed by the

1687
00:40:11,031 --> 00:40:13,641
board of elections.

1688
00:40:13,641 --> 00:40:14,721
Open meetings in

1689
00:40:14,721 --> 00:40:15,767
the proposal for

1690
00:40:15,767 --> 00:40:17,092
amendments, uh

1691
00:40:17,092 --> 00:40:18,138
, should clearly

1692
00:40:18,138 --> 00:40:19,010
state what

1693
00:40:19,010 --> 00:40:20,265
is being changed, why it is

1694
00:40:20,265 --> 00:40:22,420
being changed. So, that's

1695
00:40:22,420 --> 00:40:23,343
a difference from

1696
00:40:23,343 --> 00:40:24,513
historically open

1697
00:40:24,513 --> 00:40:25,590
town meetings or

1698
00:40:25,590 --> 00:40:26,544
representative

1699
00:40:26,544 --> 00:40:27,590
town meetings where you

1700
00:40:27,590 --> 00:40:28,821
can just say,

1701
00:40:28,821 --> 00:40:29,559
you know,

1702
00:40:29,559 --> 00:40:30,205
cut...

1703
00:40:30,205 --> 00:40:31,375
half a million dollars

1704
00:40:31,375 --> 00:40:31,990
or add

1705
00:40:31,990 --> 00:40:36,169
half a million dollars.

1706
00:40:36,169 --> 00:40:37,039
Um, it requires a

1707
00:40:37,039 --> 00:40:38,377
specific reason, and

1708
00:40:38,377 --> 00:40:39,214
the purpose of that is a

1709
00:40:39,214 --> 00:40:40,385
companion document,

1710
00:40:40,385 --> 00:40:41,155
which is then

1711
00:40:41,155 --> 00:40:42,259
the responsibility of the

1712
00:40:42,259 --> 00:40:43,162
board of elections,

1713
00:40:43,162 --> 00:40:44,233
because the

1714
00:40:44,233 --> 00:40:45,170
board of elections still has the

1715
00:40:45,170 --> 00:40:46,241
authority to either

1716
00:40:46,241 --> 00:40:47,546
make that change, or the

1717
00:40:47,546 --> 00:40:48,617
financial impact of

1718
00:40:48,617 --> 00:40:49,922
that is binding,

1719
00:40:49,922 --> 00:40:51,261
but, uh, the purpose of that

1720
00:40:51,261 --> 00:40:52,398
is not binding on the

1721
00:40:52,398 --> 00:40:58,321
board of elections. Therefore,

1722
00:40:58,321 --> 00:40:59,230
we wanted to have a

1723
00:40:59,230 --> 00:41:00,578
mechanism to make it clearer

1724
00:41:00,578 --> 00:41:01,589
what

1725
00:41:01,589 --> 00:41:02,498
intention should be

1726
00:41:02,498 --> 00:41:03,239
made at

1727
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:04,250
the meeting of such an

1728
00:41:04,250 --> 00:41:05,328
amendment, and a concomitant

1729
00:41:05,328 --> 00:41:06,474
provision that if the

1730
00:41:06,474 --> 00:41:07,788
election board does what

1731
00:41:07,788 --> 00:41:09,101
was intended, then it is

1732
00:41:09,101 --> 00:41:12,319
complete. But if the

1733
00:41:12,319 --> 00:41:13,126
board of elections

1734
00:41:13,126 --> 00:41:14,202
decides to do

1735
00:41:14,202 --> 00:41:15,513
something different, or just

1736
00:41:15,513 --> 00:41:16,758
not make this change,

1737
00:41:16,758 --> 00:41:17,968
or make it but on a

1738
00:41:17,968 --> 00:41:19,246
smaller scale, or

1739
00:41:19,246 --> 00:41:20,423
something else, uh, then the

1740
00:41:20,423 --> 00:41:21,701
board of elections in

1741
00:41:21,701 --> 00:41:23,013
next

1742
00:41:23,013 --> 00:41:23,820
year's city report must

1743
00:41:23,820 --> 00:41:24,930
explain to the community

1744
00:41:24,930 --> 00:41:26,275
why it took different

1745
00:41:26,275 --> 00:41:30,647
measures. Both of these

1746
00:41:30,647 --> 00:41:31,938
points are intended to

1747
00:41:31,938 --> 00:41:33,093
take some of the, uh,

1748
00:41:33,093 --> 00:41:34,181
mystery, if not

1749
00:41:34,181 --> 00:41:35,438
manipulation, out of what has

1750
00:41:35,438 --> 00:41:36,389
happened

1751
00:41:36,389 --> 00:41:37,612
historically, where there has sometimes

1752
00:41:37,612 --> 00:41:38,835
been controversy

1753
00:41:38,835 --> 00:41:39,719
over what

1754
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:41,010
significance the action at

1755
00:41:41,010 --> 00:41:43,150
town meeting had when a

1756
00:41:43,184 --> 00:41:46,359
budget amendment was passed.

1757
00:41:46,359 --> 00:41:47,919
So, Peter, you say

1758
00:41:47,919 --> 00:41:50,739
? that the initial

1759
00:41:50,739 --> 00:41:51,477
amendment must

1760
00:41:51,477 --> 00:41:52,644
relate to a specific

1761
00:41:52,644 --> 00:41:53,628
line or item

1762
00:41:53,628 --> 00:41:54,519
within the budget,

1763
00:41:54,519 --> 00:41:55,472
even if it

1764
00:41:55,472 --> 00:41:57,746
affects the overall

1765
00:41:57,777 --> 00:42:00,445
budget outcome?

1766
00:42:00,445 --> 00:42:02,409
Right? And we

1767
00:42:02,409 --> 00:42:03,451
mean that we didn't

1768
00:42:03,451 --> 00:42:04,559
want to create a

1769
00:42:04,559 --> 00:42:05,765
line item veto or not a

1770
00:42:05,765 --> 00:42:06,319
veto, but

1771
00:42:06,319 --> 00:42:07,622
the authority of the city

1772
00:42:07,622 --> 00:42:08,730
council to make changes to the

1773
00:42:08,730 --> 00:42:12,275
line item. We wanted the

1774
00:42:12,275 --> 00:42:13,381
town meeting to be able

1775
00:42:13,381 --> 00:42:14,488
to express the reason

1776
00:42:14,488 --> 00:42:15,468
why they made the

1777
00:42:15,468 --> 00:42:17,193
dollar change. So

1778
00:42:17,193 --> 00:42:18,142
they still have

1779
00:42:18,142 --> 00:42:19,328
the authority to make

1780
00:42:19,328 --> 00:42:20,542
changes in dollars. They

1781
00:42:20,542 --> 00:42:21,646
don't have the authority

1782
00:42:21,646 --> 00:42:22,693
to apply this to a

1783
00:42:22,693 --> 00:42:23,684
specific line,

1784
00:42:23,684 --> 00:42:24,278
but it can be

1785
00:42:24,278 --> 00:42:25,297
applied to a

1786
00:42:25,297 --> 00:42:26,123
line. This may

1787
00:42:26,123 --> 00:42:27,307
relate to perhaps a

1788
00:42:27,307 --> 00:42:28,461
certain amount of work

1789
00:42:28,461 --> 00:42:29,693
in the budget. You know, it

1790
00:42:29,693 --> 00:42:30,798
could be, say,

1791
00:42:30,798 --> 00:42:31,934
cutting some

1792
00:42:31,934 --> 00:42:32,786
department by

1793
00:42:32,786 --> 00:42:33,702
$50,000 or something

1794
00:42:33,702 --> 00:42:34,901
like that, without

1795
00:42:34,901 --> 00:42:36,768
specifically naming the line item.

1796
00:42:36,768 --> 00:42:37,619
But the intention regarding

1797
00:42:37,619 --> 00:42:38,722
budget changes must

1798
00:42:38,722 --> 00:42:39,888
be expressed at

1799
00:42:39,888 --> 00:42:40,897
the meeting so that

1800
00:42:40,897 --> 00:42:41,748
the council can then either

1801
00:42:41,748 --> 00:42:42,946
adhere to that

1802
00:42:42,946 --> 00:42:44,144
intention or decide

1803
00:42:44,144 --> 00:42:45,184
not to do so and

1804
00:42:45,184 --> 00:42:47,948
explain its opinion.

1805
00:42:47,948 --> 00:42:48,918
Good.

1806
00:42:48,918 --> 00:42:50,558
And we are still

1807
00:42:50,558 --> 00:42:52,422
sticking to 60%.

1808
00:42:52,422 --> 00:42:52,859
Yes,

1809
00:42:52,859 --> 00:42:54,187
we comply.

1810
00:42:54,187 --> 00:42:55,076
Sorry.

1811
00:42:55,076 --> 00:42:57,357
Everything is fine.

1812
00:42:57,357 --> 00:42:58,274
This is one of our

1813
00:42:58,274 --> 00:42:59,455
contentious issues, but

1814
00:42:59,455 --> 00:43:00,345
it is understandable.

1815
00:43:00,345 --> 00:43:01,850
So, okay.

1816
00:43:01,850 --> 00:43:02,996
Thanks again for all your

1817
00:43:02,996 --> 00:43:03,891
work, and, uh,

1818
00:43:03,891 --> 00:43:05,245
see you in January.

1819
00:43:05,245 --> 00:43:08,394
Good. Thank you.

1820
00:43:08,394 --> 00:43:09,401
Good. We have

1821
00:43:09,401 --> 00:43:10,267
a proposal under

1822
00:43:10,267 --> 00:43:11,535
consideration. Are there any

1823
00:43:11,535 --> 00:43:12,644
other comments from

1824
00:43:12,644 --> 00:43:13,657
the public or

1825
00:43:13,657 --> 00:43:14,639
any of the

1826
00:43:14,639 --> 00:43:16,264
commission members?

1827
00:43:16,264 --> 00:43:17,892
Yes, sir. Uh,

1828
00:43:17,892 --> 00:43:19,889
yes. I'm just

1829
00:43:19,889 --> 00:43:21,131
wondering if it turns out

1830
00:43:21,131 --> 00:43:22,054
we're going to have a

1831
00:43:22,054 --> 00:43:22,882
vote in

1832
00:43:22,882 --> 00:43:23,837
Australia after the

1833
00:43:23,837 --> 00:43:25,688
town meeting?

1834
00:43:25,688 --> 00:43:26,487
Yes.

1835
00:43:26,487 --> 00:43:27,853
We will have an

1836
00:43:27,853 --> 00:43:28,801
open town

1837
00:43:28,801 --> 00:43:30,875
meeting in January. We

1838
00:43:30,875 --> 00:43:31,921
moved it to

1839
00:43:31,921 --> 00:43:33,189
January and then on

1840
00:43:33,189 --> 00:43:34,362
election day in March, the

1841
00:43:34,362 --> 00:43:35,313
first Tuesday in

1842
00:43:35,313 --> 00:43:36,263
March, when we

1843
00:43:36,263 --> 00:43:37,500
vote for the electoral

1844
00:43:37,500 --> 00:43:38,482
council and everything else,

1845
00:43:38,482 --> 00:43:39,306
the vote in

1846
00:43:39,306 --> 00:43:40,194
Australia on the

1847
00:43:40,194 --> 00:43:41,398
budget will be on the

1848
00:43:41,398 --> 00:43:44,404
same day.

1849
00:43:44,404 --> 00:43:45,383
So, it will be on the

1850
00:43:45,383 --> 00:43:46,064
bulletin board

1851
00:43:46,064 --> 00:43:47,627
right after

1852
00:43:47,627 --> 00:43:48,516
you leave.

1853
00:43:48,516 --> 00:43:49,776
And what

1854
00:43:49,776 --> 00:43:51,273
Neil Manders was just talking about,

1855
00:43:51,273 --> 00:43:52,573
where he said, "Are

1856
00:43:52,573 --> 00:43:55,068
we at 60%?" "

1857
00:43:55,068 --> 00:43:56,404
We decided that the threshold

1858
00:43:56,404 --> 00:43:57,363
for rejecting

1859
00:43:57,363 --> 00:43:58,425
the budget on this

1860
00:43:58,425 --> 00:43:59,624
vote on the day of the

1861
00:43:59,624 --> 00:44:00,617
town meeting, the

1862
00:44:00,617 --> 00:44:01,679
Australian

1863
00:44:01,679 --> 00:44:02,741
ballot, um, should

1864
00:44:02,741 --> 00:44:03,974
be 60%, so that it's

1865
00:44:03,974 --> 00:44:05,002
an endorsement of

1866
00:44:05,002 --> 00:44:06,304
the work that was done at the

1867
00:44:06,304 --> 00:44:07,057
meeting, not

1868
00:44:07,057 --> 00:44:08,256
a repetition of the

1869
00:44:08,256 --> 00:44:13,469
same work.

1870
00:44:13,469 --> 00:44:15,486
Yes, of course.

1871
00:44:15,486 --> 00:44:16,745
And we recognize that there

1872
00:44:16,745 --> 00:44:18,078
are people in the community who,

1873
00:44:18,078 --> 00:44:19,114
um, think it's

1874
00:44:19,114 --> 00:44:20,040
unnecessary, some

1875
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:20,855
think it's

1876
00:44:20,855 --> 00:44:22,522
inappropriate. Um, we

1877
00:44:22,522 --> 00:44:23,748
went through

1878
00:44:23,748 --> 00:44:24,787
, I think, several

1879
00:44:24,787 --> 00:44:25,950
different meetings where we

1880
00:44:25,950 --> 00:44:27,146
looked at

1881
00:44:27,146 --> 00:44:28,341
this issue carefully and heard a lot

1882
00:44:28,341 --> 00:44:28,970
from the

1883
00:44:28,970 --> 00:44:29,946
public, and we

1884
00:44:29,946 --> 00:44:30,795
came up with this

1885
00:44:30,795 --> 00:44:32,737
recommendation.

1886
00:44:32,737 --> 00:44:33,953
Can you give

1887
00:44:33,953 --> 00:44:34,946
us your name for the

1888
00:44:34,946 --> 00:44:35,655
record?

1889
00:44:35,655 --> 00:44:42,856
Lee Lee and I will be

1890
00:44:42,856 --> 00:44:43,987
explaining a lot between

1891
00:44:43,987 --> 00:44:45,318
now and March about

1892
00:44:45,318 --> 00:44:46,616
this part of the charter, as well as

1893
00:44:46,616 --> 00:44:47,647
every

1894
00:44:47,647 --> 00:44:49,407
part of it.

1895
00:44:49,407 --> 00:44:50,288
Yes.

1896
00:44:50,288 --> 00:44:53,647
I think last

1897
00:44:53,647 --> 00:44:55,060
time I was here I

1898
00:44:55,060 --> 00:44:56,332
said I wanted the

1899
00:44:56,332 --> 00:44:57,356
Australian

1900
00:44:57,356 --> 00:44:58,734
ballot to be able to, you know,

1901
00:44:58,734 --> 00:45:00,112
really vote on

1902
00:45:00,112 --> 00:45:00,748
everything that

1903
00:45:00,748 --> 00:45:04,587
is voted on. And

1904
00:45:04,587 --> 00:45:06,026
instead of,

1905
00:45:06,026 --> 00:45:07,422
you know, 3 to 500

1906
00:45:07,422 --> 00:45:09,122
people dictating something to

1907
00:45:09,122 --> 00:45:10,736
another 9,000 voters, I

1908
00:45:10,736 --> 00:45:11,629
think."

1909
00:45:11,629 --> 00:45:12,632
Registered

1910
00:45:12,632 --> 00:45:14,236
voters, you ask

1911
00:45:14,236 --> 00:45:15,420
what it will be, which

1912
00:45:15,420 --> 00:45:16,012
seems

1913
00:45:16,012 --> 00:45:18,727
fair to me. But I

1914
00:45:18,727 --> 00:45:20,252
probably didn't say that

1915
00:45:20,252 --> 00:45:21,190
I think the

1916
00:45:21,190 --> 00:45:22,753
regular services that

1917
00:45:22,753 --> 00:45:24,082
the city provides are, are, are

1918
00:45:24,082 --> 00:45:25,411
good, and are...I don't

1919
00:45:25,411 --> 00:45:26,505
think anyone

1920
00:45:26,505 --> 00:45:27,834
personally has a problem with that

1921
00:45:27,834 --> 00:45:31,619
. But I think a

1922
00:45:31,619 --> 00:45:32,644
lot of the things are,

1923
00:45:32,644 --> 00:45:34,022
uh

1924
00:45:34,022 --> 00:45:35,188
, with charity,

1925
00:45:35,188 --> 00:45:36,071
charitable

1926
00:45:36,071 --> 00:45:37,096
donations that

1927
00:45:37,096 --> 00:45:38,050
are not really

1928
00:45:38,050 --> 00:45:39,358
effective in changing the

1929
00:45:39,358 --> 00:45:43,383
situation, is something that

1930
00:45:43,383 --> 00:45:44,181
I think

1931
00:45:44,181 --> 00:45:46,307
needs to, needs to be able to

1932
00:45:46,341 --> 00:45:48,238
vote on. So, I

1933
00:45:48,238 --> 00:45:50,352
mean, if you, want to

1934
00:45:50,352 --> 00:45:51,534
make a donation, no

1935
00:45:51,534 --> 00:45:52,931
one is going to stop you

1936
00:45:52,931 --> 00:45:57,031
. But if you

1937
00:45:57,031 --> 00:45:58,140
can't, you know, have

1938
00:45:58,140 --> 00:45:59,183
three to five hundred

1939
00:45:59,183 --> 00:46:00,390
people or people who are

1940
00:46:00,390 --> 00:46:01,532
wealthy enough

1941
00:46:01,532 --> 00:46:02,836
to donate,

1942
00:46:02,836 --> 00:46:03,978
dictating to the

1943
00:46:03,978 --> 00:46:05,250
whole city what they

1944
00:46:05,250 --> 00:46:06,457
should donate,

1945
00:46:06,457 --> 00:46:07,468
that seems

1946
00:46:07,468 --> 00:46:08,250
unreasonable and

1947
00:46:08,250 --> 00:46:11,674
undemocratic to me.

1948
00:46:11,674 --> 00:46:12,965
So I'm thrilled that

1949
00:46:12,965 --> 00:46:14,327
you did it

1950
00:46:14,327 --> 00:46:15,374
, and all I can

1951
00:46:15,374 --> 00:46:16,736
say is thank you for

1952
00:46:16,736 --> 00:46:18,063
all your work, and that's it

1953
00:46:18,063 --> 00:46:19,320
, and I'm glad I...

1954
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:20,908
came. Will there be

1955
00:46:20,908 --> 00:46:22,180
another meeting where all this

1956
00:46:22,180 --> 00:46:24,188
will be discussed?

1957
00:46:24,188 --> 00:46:24,772
Yes.

1958
00:46:24,772 --> 00:46:26,146
And it will be in the newspaper.

1959
00:46:26,146 --> 00:46:26,807
This will be

1960
00:46:26,807 --> 00:46:27,631
reported.

1961
00:46:27,631 --> 00:46:29,045
We will publish it. We're

1962
00:46:29,045 --> 00:46:29,807
going to...we're

1963
00:46:29,807 --> 00:46:30,786
going to move on

1964
00:46:30,786 --> 00:46:31,847
to the next item on

1965
00:46:31,847 --> 00:46:32,608
our

1966
00:46:32,608 --> 00:46:33,614
agenda-discuss

1967
00:46:33,614 --> 00:46:34,648
how we're going to get what

1968
00:46:34,648 --> 00:46:35,654
we just did out to

1969
00:46:35,654 --> 00:46:36,606
the public so

1970
00:46:36,606 --> 00:46:37,449
they're ready

1971
00:46:37,449 --> 00:46:38,537
to vote on it in

1972
00:46:38,537 --> 00:46:39,489
March, because it's

1973
00:46:39,489 --> 00:46:40,576
going to go on the ballot in the

1974
00:46:40,576 --> 00:46:41,788
city. Oh, it

1975
00:46:41,788 --> 00:46:43,059
will still be voted on.

1976
00:46:43,059 --> 00:46:43,459
Yes.

1977
00:46:43,459 --> 00:46:45,242
This is it, before

1978
00:46:45,242 --> 00:46:46,478
it gets to the

1979
00:46:46,478 --> 00:46:47,703
state. Yes.

1980
00:46:47,703 --> 00:46:48,795
And this is the next day of the

1981
00:46:48,795 --> 00:46:51,017
town meeting. So, there

1982
00:46:51,045 --> 00:46:52,147
will be a

1983
00:46:52,147 --> 00:46:53,137
lot of discussion,

1984
00:46:53,137 --> 00:46:54,013
probably a lot of

1985
00:46:54,013 --> 00:46:55,059
letters to the editor,

1986
00:46:55,059 --> 00:46:56,234
etc., about this over the next few months.

1987
00:46:56,234 --> 00:46:57,818
Good. Perfectly. Well, you

1988
00:46:57,818 --> 00:46:58,676
guys are doing a

1989
00:46:58,676 --> 00:46:59,919
fantastic job.

1990
00:46:59,919 --> 00:47:00,618
Thank you.

1991
00:47:00,618 --> 00:47:02,385
very much.

1992
00:47:02,385 --> 00:47:02,952
Good.

1993
00:47:02,952 --> 00:47:03,957
evening.

1994
00:47:03,957 --> 00:47:05,479
Thank you very much. Yes.

1995
00:47:05,479 --> 00:47:06,657
Thank you.

1996
00:47:06,657 --> 00:47:08,429
Emm. I see that no one

1997
00:47:08,429 --> 00:47:09,656
else wants to

1998
00:47:09,656 --> 00:47:10,823
say anything, um, again

1999
00:47:10,823 --> 00:47:12,818
, the proposal is to

2000
00:47:12,848 --> 00:47:13,953
subordinate the two

2001
00:47:13,953 --> 00:47:15,058
minor changes that

2002
00:47:15,058 --> 00:47:15,979
we discussed

2003
00:47:15,979 --> 00:47:16,992
tonight

2004
00:47:16,992 --> 00:47:18,066
to the adoption or

2005
00:47:18,066 --> 00:47:19,171
approval of this

2006
00:47:19,171 --> 00:47:19,701
charter

2007
00:47:19,701 --> 00:47:22,721
of September 23, 2026.

2008
00:47:22,721 --> 00:47:24,057
As our recommendation to

2009
00:47:24,057 --> 00:47:24,671
the community,

2010
00:47:24,671 --> 00:47:26,052
as our recommendation to the

2011
00:47:26,052 --> 00:47:27,550
community. Hmm, everyone who is "

2012
00:47:27,550 --> 00:47:28,643
for", please

2013
00:47:28,643 --> 00:47:30,983
say "I". "I". "I".

2014
00:47:30,983 --> 00:47:31,855
Nobody is

2015
00:47:31,855 --> 00:47:35,039
against it. 4 Z.

2016
00:47:35,039 --> 00:47:38,162
Great job, folks.

2017
00:47:38,162 --> 00:47:39,526
Now the recommendation to

2018
00:47:39,526 --> 00:47:41,005
the community, we need to

2019
00:47:41,005 --> 00:47:46,696
, um, first on October 6th

2020
00:47:46,696 --> 00:47:48,260
, we go to Smartboard, and

2021
00:47:48,260 --> 00:47:49,331
we have a draft

2022
00:47:49,331 --> 00:47:56,763
memorandum. Um, which

2023
00:47:56,763 --> 00:47:57,980
strangely came out as a

2024
00:47:57,980 --> 00:47:58,769
draft on the

2025
00:47:58,769 --> 00:48:01,058
back page. Um,

2026
00:48:01,058 --> 00:48:02,192
so it

2027
00:48:02,192 --> 00:48:03,317
still said that I

2028
00:48:03,317 --> 00:48:04,330
strangely couldn't

2029
00:48:04,330 --> 00:48:05,175
figure out how to

2030
00:48:05,175 --> 00:48:06,853
do it correctly.

2031
00:48:06,853 --> 00:48:08,067
So, um, and I want to

2032
00:48:08,067 --> 00:48:09,533
thank Peter,

2033
00:48:09,533 --> 00:48:11,083
who helped me a lot

2034
00:48:11,083 --> 00:48:12,340
, especially with the

2035
00:48:12,340 --> 00:48:13,512
60% part and the

2036
00:48:13,512 --> 00:48:17,680
optional,

2037
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:18,992
um, and the intention here, as we

2038
00:48:18,992 --> 00:48:19,891
voted at the

2039
00:48:19,891 --> 00:48:21,134
last meeting

2040
00:48:21,134 --> 00:48:22,274
or decided at the

2041
00:48:22,274 --> 00:48:23,552
last meeting, is that

2042
00:48:23,552 --> 00:48:24,865
we're

2043
00:48:24,865 --> 00:48:26,247
going to ask the

2044
00:48:26,247 --> 00:48:27,525
board of elections to put

2045
00:48:27,525 --> 00:48:28,458
this on the ballot

2046
00:48:28,458 --> 00:48:29,356
pursuant to the

2047
00:48:29,356 --> 00:48:30,496
city charter, um,

2048
00:48:30,496 --> 00:48:31,671
Article 8, Section D,

2049
00:48:31,671 --> 00:48:32,949
which is that

2050
00:48:32,949 --> 00:48:34,262
they take what

2051
00:48:34,262 --> 00:48:35,575
we gave them and put

2052
00:48:35,575 --> 00:48:37,109
it on the charter,

2053
00:48:37,109 --> 00:48:38,073
on the ballot.

2054
00:48:38,073 --> 00:48:39,608
To the bulletin. Yes. To

2055
00:48:39,608 --> 00:48:41,163
the scheme. Before the vote

2056
00:48:41,163 --> 00:48:43,949
. So, the purpose of this

2057
00:48:43,949 --> 00:48:50,455
memorandum was to

2058
00:48:50,455 --> 00:48:51,607
reach out to those

2059
00:48:51,607 --> 00:48:52,928
who didn't follow these

2060
00:48:52,928 --> 00:48:53,911
meetings to

2061
00:48:53,911 --> 00:48:55,199
hear what we were doing

2062
00:48:55,199 --> 00:48:56,351
without overwhelming

2063
00:48:56,351 --> 00:48:57,164
people with unnecessary

2064
00:48:57,164 --> 00:49:02,091
information. As

2065
00:49:02,091 --> 00:49:03,484
you can see, we've covered the

2066
00:49:03,484 --> 00:49:04,808
highlights, or

2067
00:49:04,808 --> 00:49:06,028
rather a brief overview, and

2068
00:49:06,028 --> 00:49:07,247
then other

2069
00:49:07,247 --> 00:49:08,083
highlights, which

2070
00:49:08,083 --> 00:49:09,372
obviously include

2071
00:49:09,372 --> 00:49:10,417
open town

2072
00:49:10,417 --> 00:49:15,129
meetings, finance

2073
00:49:15,129 --> 00:49:15,570
committee,

2074
00:49:15,570 --> 00:49:16,258
funding for

2075
00:49:16,258 --> 00:49:17,166
social services,

2076
00:49:17,166 --> 00:49:18,239
revenue generation,

2077
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:19,340
appointing the

2078
00:49:19,340 --> 00:49:20,083
mayor to the board of

2079
00:49:20,083 --> 00:49:20,908
directors, which is an at-

2080
00:49:20,908 --> 00:49:22,082
will part.

2081
00:49:22,082 --> 00:49:23,028
And then I thought,

2082
00:49:23,028 --> 00:49:24,032
since we were going to

2083
00:49:24,032 --> 00:49:25,150
talk to them, that

2084
00:49:25,150 --> 00:49:25,838
we would specifically

2085
00:49:25,838 --> 00:49:26,957
talk about what

2086
00:49:26,957 --> 00:49:27,989
we did with their

2087
00:49:27,989 --> 00:49:31,135
section. After

2088
00:49:31,135 --> 00:49:31,994
we talk about

2089
00:49:31,994 --> 00:49:32,763
this memorandum, we'll

2090
00:49:32,763 --> 00:49:33,645
talk about how

2091
00:49:33,645 --> 00:49:34,233
we're going to

2092
00:49:34,233 --> 00:49:34,843
make this available to the

2093
00:49:34,843 --> 00:49:35,182
general

2094
00:49:35,182 --> 00:49:36,034
public. This

2095
00:49:36,034 --> 00:49:36,841
memorandum

2096
00:49:36,841 --> 00:49:37,406
will obviously be read to

2097
00:49:37,406 --> 00:49:37,709
the general

2098
00:49:37,709 --> 00:49:38,416
public, but

2099
00:49:38,416 --> 00:49:38,940
it is actually

2100
00:49:38,940 --> 00:49:39,364
specifically

2101
00:49:39,364 --> 00:49:40,172
designed to

2102
00:49:40,172 --> 00:49:40,798
tell the board of

2103
00:49:40,798 --> 00:49:41,585
directors: here's what we

2104
00:49:41,585 --> 00:49:42,576
did. Could

2105
00:49:42,576 --> 00:49:43,434
you take our thing and

2106
00:49:43,434 --> 00:49:44,441
just put it up?

2107
00:49:44,441 --> 00:49:44,972
Good.

2108
00:49:44,972 --> 00:49:45,786
So,

2109
00:49:45,786 --> 00:49:46,865
can I come back and

2110
00:49:46,865 --> 00:49:48,044
ask a question?

2111
00:49:48,044 --> 00:49:49,064
Yes, I know you're going to

2112
00:49:49,064 --> 00:49:50,348
ask

2113
00:49:50,348 --> 00:49:51,341
. I think ahead

2114
00:49:51,341 --> 00:49:52,843
of time if I

2115
00:49:52,843 --> 00:49:54,568
ask.

2116
00:49:54,568 --> 00:49:58,020
Yes.

2117
00:49:58,020 --> 00:50:01,023
Section D deals with a

2118
00:50:01,023 --> 00:50:02,098
city representative

2119
00:50:02,098 --> 00:50:02,935
with a special

2120
00:50:02,935 --> 00:50:04,117
representative.

2121
00:50:04,117 --> 00:50:08,920
Yes. We're

2122
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:09,705
right, we've already

2123
00:50:09,705 --> 00:50:11,013
been through this in

2124
00:50:11,013 --> 00:50:15,239
meetings with...

2125
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:16,229
Well, we've been through

2126
00:50:16,229 --> 00:50:17,550
this here publicly

2127
00:50:17,550 --> 00:50:18,773
as a group when Hannah

2128
00:50:18,773 --> 00:50:19,862
was still on the commission,

2129
00:50:19,862 --> 00:50:20,952
when Phil, when Bob was

2130
00:50:20,952 --> 00:50:22,274
on the air, and then

2131
00:50:22,274 --> 00:50:23,198
before that, when it came to

2132
00:50:23,198 --> 00:50:24,387
what we

2133
00:50:24,387 --> 00:50:25,444
could do,

2134
00:50:25,444 --> 00:50:26,501
I had another

2135
00:50:26,501 --> 00:50:27,723
meeting, and Peter was

2136
00:50:27,723 --> 00:50:32,656
there with... or I had a

2137
00:50:32,656 --> 00:50:33,885
meeting, and then we

2138
00:50:33,885 --> 00:50:35,084
had another meeting,

2139
00:50:35,084 --> 00:50:36,037
I mean, we had a

2140
00:50:36,037 --> 00:50:37,113
lot of meetings with

2141
00:50:37,113 --> 00:50:38,096
Bob, with Bob, and with

2142
00:50:38,096 --> 00:50:39,233
Bob and Hannah,

2143
00:50:39,233 --> 00:50:40,401
because we had the same

2144
00:50:40,401 --> 00:50:41,639
concerns. It's like

2145
00:50:41,639 --> 00:50:42,862
...well, it's just

2146
00:50:42,890 --> 00:50:43,999
town meetings,

2147
00:50:43,999 --> 00:50:44,994
and it's the interpretation of the

2148
00:50:44,994 --> 00:50:45,961
town attorney that

2149
00:50:45,961 --> 00:50:47,099
since we do

2150
00:50:47,099 --> 00:50:47,952
n't have

2151
00:50:47,952 --> 00:50:49,572
town meetings anymore, it's going to be a

2152
00:50:49,601 --> 00:50:50,340
vote in

2153
00:50:50,340 --> 00:50:51,189
Australia,

2154
00:50:51,189 --> 00:50:52,457
and the reason

2155
00:50:52,457 --> 00:50:53,485
he explained to us is that

2156
00:50:53,485 --> 00:50:54,822
it's,

2157
00:50:54,822 --> 00:50:56,125
um, the place where the

2158
00:50:56,125 --> 00:50:58,044
vote is being held, like there's no

2159
00:50:58,079 --> 00:50:59,450
question that it's a

2160
00:50:59,450 --> 00:51:02,998
vote of the people

2161
00:51:02,998 --> 00:51:04,213
or the voters, um, but,

2162
00:51:04,213 --> 00:51:04,706
um, his

2163
00:51:04,706 --> 00:51:05,823
interpretation of, um, the

2164
00:51:05,823 --> 00:51:07,071
right way to

2165
00:51:07,071 --> 00:51:08,056
handle this

2166
00:51:08,056 --> 00:51:08,910
issue because of the

2167
00:51:08,910 --> 00:51:09,732
outdated

2168
00:51:09,732 --> 00:51:10,816
representative

2169
00:51:10,816 --> 00:51:13,017
temporary...The default meeting

2170
00:51:13,050 --> 00:51:14,166
has to be in accordance with the

2171
00:51:14,166 --> 00:51:15,316
state statute, and the

2172
00:51:15,316 --> 00:51:16,302
default in the

2173
00:51:16,302 --> 00:51:17,386
state statute for

2174
00:51:17,386 --> 00:51:18,568
this process, when

2175
00:51:18,568 --> 00:51:19,882
the commission puts it forward,

2176
00:51:19,882 --> 00:51:20,638
is a

2177
00:51:20,638 --> 00:51:21,820
vote of the people

2178
00:51:21,820 --> 00:51:22,937
by Australian

2179
00:51:22,937 --> 00:51:25,578
ballot. Yes.

2180
00:51:25,578 --> 00:51:26,826
Good. The

2181
00:51:26,826 --> 00:51:27,673
town meeting is not open. The

2182
00:51:27,673 --> 00:51:28,687
town meeting is not open

2183
00:51:28,687 --> 00:51:29,106
.

2184
00:51:29,106 --> 00:51:29,897
Australian

2185
00:51:29,897 --> 00:51:30,462
Bulletin.

2186
00:51:30,462 --> 00:51:31,988
No. And that was because

2187
00:51:31,988 --> 00:51:33,304
in the beginning, as we all

2188
00:51:33,304 --> 00:51:34,653
remember, from

2189
00:51:34,653 --> 00:51:35,900
day one, we intended, I

2190
00:51:35,900 --> 00:51:36,903
think, for the entire city to vote on these

2191
00:51:36,903 --> 00:51:38,080
recommendations for

2192
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:39,050
our charter

2193
00:51:39,050 --> 00:51:40,847
.

2194
00:51:40,847 --> 00:51:45,907
Yes. So, and that's why

2195
00:51:45,907 --> 00:51:46,721
by March we were going to

2196
00:51:46,721 --> 00:51:48,023
go

2197
00:51:48,023 --> 00:51:53,681
to the board of elections and

2198
00:51:53,681 --> 00:51:54,669
ask

2199
00:51:54,669 --> 00:51:55,684
if you wouldn't put this

2200
00:51:55,684 --> 00:51:56,619
on the ballot for the

2201
00:51:56,619 --> 00:51:57,687
whites in the city, because

2202
00:51:57,687 --> 00:51:58,354
it says "

2203
00:51:58,354 --> 00:51:59,129
representative

2204
00:51:59,129 --> 00:52:00,144
town meeting," now that

2205
00:52:00,144 --> 00:52:00,998
we do

2206
00:52:00,998 --> 00:52:01,292
n't have a

2207
00:52:01,292 --> 00:52:02,120
representative

2208
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:02,968
town meeting anymore,

2209
00:52:02,968 --> 00:52:03,780
for example, to

2210
00:52:03,780 --> 00:52:04,563
address the

2211
00:52:04,563 --> 00:52:05,175
voters,

2212
00:52:05,175 --> 00:52:06,367
we can address the

2213
00:52:06,367 --> 00:52:08,446
voters, and that was kind of like

2214
00:52:08,477 --> 00:52:09,632
deciding.

2215
00:52:09,632 --> 00:52:10,999
And we even asked

2216
00:52:10,999 --> 00:52:12,230
this question because,

2217
00:52:12,230 --> 00:52:13,529
um, there's an interpretation that

2218
00:52:13,529 --> 00:52:14,624
Bob suggested

2219
00:52:14,624 --> 00:52:15,547
regarding other, um,

2220
00:52:15,547 --> 00:52:16,778
sections of the existing

2221
00:52:16,778 --> 00:52:17,940
charter, that where it

2222
00:52:17,940 --> 00:52:18,556
says "

2223
00:52:18,556 --> 00:52:19,547
representative

2224
00:52:19,547 --> 00:52:20,436
town meeting," it

2225
00:52:20,436 --> 00:52:21,667
would instead say "

2226
00:52:21,667 --> 00:52:22,693
open town

2227
00:52:22,693 --> 00:52:24,734
meeting." “Since this is a

2228
00:52:24,734 --> 00:52:25,909
common interpretation,

2229
00:52:25,909 --> 00:52:26,482
why doesn’t it

2230
00:52:26,482 --> 00:52:27,751
apply here? And

2231
00:52:27,751 --> 00:52:28,655
he says it doesn't

2232
00:52:28,655 --> 00:52:29,700
apply here

2233
00:52:29,700 --> 00:52:30,745
because, um,

2234
00:52:30,745 --> 00:52:31,677
charter amendments under

2235
00:52:31,677 --> 00:52:32,610
state statute

2236
00:52:32,610 --> 00:52:33,655
can't be made

2237
00:52:33,655 --> 00:52:34,615
at a town meeting;

2238
00:52:34,615 --> 00:52:35,547
they are entered

2239
00:52:35,547 --> 00:52:36,564
using a ballot

2240
00:52:36,564 --> 00:52:38,687
. This... does

2241
00:52:38,687 --> 00:52:41,079
this make sense? Because

2242
00:52:41,079 --> 00:52:41,642
we...

2243
00:52:41,642 --> 00:52:42,429
Yes. It's like the

2244
00:52:42,429 --> 00:52:43,977
16-year-old vote,

2245
00:52:43,977 --> 00:52:45,332
which was the last

2246
00:52:45,332 --> 00:52:46,415
major

2247
00:52:46,415 --> 00:52:48,309
charter change. Yes. And it

2248
00:52:48,309 --> 00:52:50,112
went

2249
00:52:50,112 --> 00:52:51,258
to Australia, I mean

2250
00:52:51,258 --> 00:52:52,608
citywide

2251
00:52:52,608 --> 00:52:53,485
voting in

2252
00:52:53,485 --> 00:52:55,148
Australia.

2253
00:52:55,148 --> 00:52:56,623
Yes, yes. It went away for a

2254
00:52:56,623 --> 00:52:58,792
different reason, because

2255
00:52:58,827 --> 00:53:00,076
a petition was filed,

2256
00:53:00,076 --> 00:53:04,852
but, um, yeah,

2257
00:53:04,852 --> 00:53:06,453
it went away. And I think what

2258
00:53:06,453 --> 00:53:07,577
I really mean is

2259
00:53:07,577 --> 00:53:08,801
that we're asking the

2260
00:53:08,801 --> 00:53:09,826
board of elections to, um,

2261
00:53:09,826 --> 00:53:11,115
go under Article D

2262
00:53:11,115 --> 00:53:11,975
and put this on the

2263
00:53:11,975 --> 00:53:13,264
March ballot

2264
00:53:13,264 --> 00:53:15,137
. Um, the election board is

2265
00:53:15,137 --> 00:53:16,195
actually taking

2266
00:53:16,195 --> 00:53:19,638
steps to do this. I

2267
00:53:19,638 --> 00:53:20,908
wonder if anyone will say

2268
00:53:20,908 --> 00:53:22,178
why this is on the ballot and

2269
00:53:22,178 --> 00:53:23,214
not in open

2270
00:53:23,214 --> 00:53:24,523
session? You know,

2271
00:53:24,523 --> 00:53:25,733
it's at the discretion of the election

2272
00:53:25,733 --> 00:53:26,995
board according to another. I

2273
00:53:26,995 --> 00:53:27,752
don't have this

2274
00:53:27,752 --> 00:53:28,484
current statute

2275
00:53:28,484 --> 00:53:29,390
right in front of me.

2276
00:53:29,390 --> 00:53:30,381
But there is another provision

2277
00:53:30,381 --> 00:53:31,245
where the electoral..." The Council

2278
00:53:31,245 --> 00:53:32,312
could put this to a

2279
00:53:32,312 --> 00:53:33,097
vote on

2280
00:53:33,097 --> 00:53:34,284
its own initiative.

2281
00:53:34,284 --> 00:53:34,714
Yes,

2282
00:53:34,714 --> 00:53:35,582
I think we are

2283
00:53:35,582 --> 00:53:36,902
legally protected, and

2284
00:53:36,902 --> 00:53:38,322
we have advice in the council.

2285
00:53:38,322 --> 00:53:39,509
Yes. It was like that because there

2286
00:53:39,509 --> 00:53:40,690
was a concern that

2287
00:53:40,690 --> 00:53:41,870
wait a second, we

2288
00:53:41,870 --> 00:53:43,021
want to make sure

2289
00:53:43,021 --> 00:53:44,024
this gets to

2290
00:53:44,024 --> 00:53:44,538
everyone,

2291
00:53:44,538 --> 00:53:45,143
right?

2292
00:53:45,143 --> 00:53:46,293
This is section B.

2293
00:53:46,293 --> 00:53:46,692
Yes.

2294
00:53:46,692 --> 00:53:48,161
Good. So the board could

2295
00:53:48,161 --> 00:53:49,231
do it either in

2296
00:53:49,231 --> 00:53:50,138
Section B or in

2297
00:53:50,138 --> 00:53:51,370
Section D. We are asking

2298
00:53:51,370 --> 00:53:52,277
them to do it in

2299
00:53:52,277 --> 00:53:53,476
Section D because that is the

2300
00:53:53,476 --> 00:53:54,416
expected

2301
00:53:54,416 --> 00:53:55,258
process when there is

2302
00:53:55,258 --> 00:53:55,845
a commission.

2303
00:53:55,845 --> 00:53:57,779
Yes. That's why Mayer

2304
00:53:57,779 --> 00:53:59,896
knew for sure,

2305
00:53:59,896 --> 00:54:01,055
because we had these

2306
00:54:01,055 --> 00:54:02,376
conversations,

2307
00:54:02,376 --> 00:54:03,953
and I was afraid

2308
00:54:03,953 --> 00:54:04,758
that this issue

2309
00:54:04,758 --> 00:54:05,661
would come up at the

2310
00:54:05,661 --> 00:54:06,756
elected

2311
00:54:06,756 --> 00:54:07,147
board meeting.

2312
00:54:07,147 --> 00:54:07,762
Yes.

2313
00:54:07,762 --> 00:54:09,533
Andy is

2314
00:54:09,533 --> 00:54:10,465
very brief,

2315
00:54:10,465 --> 00:54:11,363
regardless of

2316
00:54:11,363 --> 00:54:12,745
the statute, politically it is the

2317
00:54:12,745 --> 00:54:14,428
only way.

2318
00:54:14,428 --> 00:54:15,597
Yes. That's right.

2319
00:54:15,597 --> 00:54:16,250
Forget about the

2320
00:54:16,250 --> 00:54:17,221
state charter.

2321
00:54:17,221 --> 00:54:18,267
That's how we felt

2322
00:54:18,267 --> 00:54:19,178
from the very beginning.

2323
00:54:19,178 --> 00:54:20,306
Very close to 40 years

2324
00:54:20,306 --> 00:54:21,209
ago we started.

2325
00:54:21,209 --> 00:54:22,571
This is pretty obvious.

2326
00:54:22,571 --> 00:54:23,861
Absolutely.

2327
00:54:23,861 --> 00:54:25,168
Yes. We talked about

2328
00:54:25,168 --> 00:54:26,398
this from the very beginning.

2329
00:54:26,398 --> 00:54:28,329
Yes. Yes. Yes.

2330
00:54:28,329 --> 00:54:28,736
Um,

2331
00:54:28,736 --> 00:54:29,472
so you want

2332
00:54:29,472 --> 00:54:30,296
to read the

2333
00:54:30,296 --> 00:54:31,133
memorandum?

2334
00:54:31,133 --> 00:54:32,689
Yes. Does anyone have anything?

2335
00:54:32,689 --> 00:54:33,484
Yes. I have

2336
00:54:33,484 --> 00:54:35,235
some. question.

2337
00:54:35,235 --> 00:54:35,623
Yes.

2338
00:54:35,623 --> 00:54:38,640
Um, at the very beginning,

2339
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:39,539
where we say we're

2340
00:54:39,539 --> 00:54:40,530
asking that our

2341
00:54:40,530 --> 00:54:41,707
proposed changes

2342
00:54:41,707 --> 00:54:42,668
be put to a

2343
00:54:42,668 --> 00:54:46,116
vote by the city

2344
00:54:46,116 --> 00:54:47,354
and that they go through

2345
00:54:47,354 --> 00:54:49,899
that process. Should

2346
00:54:49,899 --> 00:54:52,781
we name a date? I would

2347
00:54:52,781 --> 00:54:54,074
say March in

2348
00:54:54,074 --> 00:54:54,932
March.

2349
00:54:54,932 --> 00:54:57,434
Yes.

2350
00:54:57,434 --> 00:54:58,206
Of course.

2351
00:54:58,206 --> 00:54:59,018
We can

2352
00:54:59,018 --> 00:55:01,527
put it.

2353
00:55:01,527 --> 00:55:04,026
Well, I'm a

2354
00:55:04,026 --> 00:55:05,103
picky eater, I

2355
00:55:05,103 --> 00:55:06,151
have a nitpicking

2356
00:55:06,151 --> 00:55:07,197
remark. I

2357
00:55:07,197 --> 00:55:08,108
like it.

2358
00:55:08,108 --> 00:55:09,277
Yes. I have no objection to

2359
00:55:09,277 --> 00:55:09,987
such

2360
00:55:09,987 --> 00:55:11,287
specificity. The rest of

2361
00:55:11,287 --> 00:55:12,429
the sentence speaks

2362
00:55:12,429 --> 00:55:13,820
in accordance with Article

2363
00:55:13,820 --> 00:55:17,611
8 Subsection D. So

2364
00:55:17,611 --> 00:55:19,028
if we insert the date

2365
00:55:19,028 --> 00:55:21,547
, the date is not stated

2366
00:55:21,547 --> 00:55:22,591
directly

2367
00:55:22,591 --> 00:55:25,735
in the subsection. We

2368
00:55:25,735 --> 00:55:27,115
can do, um,

2369
00:55:27,115 --> 00:55:27,825
cautiously,

2370
00:55:27,825 --> 00:55:28,850
rewarding

2371
00:55:28,850 --> 00:55:29,915
probably this, and

2372
00:55:29,915 --> 00:55:36,382
put in a date

2373
00:55:36,382 --> 00:55:37,541
because we don't want

2374
00:55:37,541 --> 00:55:38,732
them to pick some

2375
00:55:38,732 --> 00:55:39,698
date, like

2376
00:55:39,698 --> 00:55:40,986
decide to do it in

2377
00:55:40,986 --> 00:55:43,319
December or something.

2378
00:55:43,319 --> 00:55:45,217
We know it's us, we

2379
00:55:45,217 --> 00:55:46,412
suspect, we know

2380
00:55:46,412 --> 00:55:47,393
they won't

2381
00:55:47,393 --> 00:55:48,536
do it, but they,

2382
00:55:48,536 --> 00:55:49,536
we suspect

2383
00:55:49,536 --> 00:55:50,605
they will.

2384
00:55:50,605 --> 00:55:52,803
We suspect,

2385
00:55:52,803 --> 00:55:54,394
but I'm just worried

2386
00:55:54,394 --> 00:55:55,695
,

2387
00:55:55,695 --> 00:55:56,574
since they've

2388
00:55:56,574 --> 00:55:57,791
made suggestions

2389
00:55:57,791 --> 00:56:00,404
for other dates,

2390
00:56:00,404 --> 00:56:01,986
um, we have to give

2391
00:56:01,986 --> 00:56:03,186
them a date,

2392
00:56:03,186 --> 00:56:04,003
however you

2393
00:56:04,003 --> 00:56:04,921
phrase it.

2394
00:56:04,921 --> 00:56:07,243
Well, how about this? Um,

2395
00:56:07,243 --> 00:56:08,495
we could put

2396
00:56:08,495 --> 00:56:09,714
according to because of the

2397
00:56:09,714 --> 00:56:10,999
city charter in parentheses

2398
00:56:10,999 --> 00:56:13,305
. And so, you could

2399
00:56:13,305 --> 00:56:14,199
say that we are

2400
00:56:14,199 --> 00:56:15,298
asking that our

2401
00:56:15,298 --> 00:56:16,604
proposed changes

2402
00:56:16,604 --> 00:56:19,113
be moved to a

2403
00:56:19,147 --> 00:56:20,144
citywide vote in brackets

2404
00:56:20,144 --> 00:56:21,037
in accordance with the

2405
00:56:21,037 --> 00:56:22,068
city charter, and the

2406
00:56:22,068 --> 00:56:23,374
brackets to March 2027

2407
00:56:23,374 --> 00:56:23,833
.

2408
00:56:23,833 --> 00:56:24,227
Yes.

2409
00:56:24,227 --> 00:56:24,903
Does

2410
00:56:24,903 --> 00:56:25,950
this work?

2411
00:56:25,950 --> 00:56:27,468
Yes,

2412
00:56:27,468 --> 00:56:29,102
it's March 3rd,

2413
00:56:29,102 --> 00:56:30,132
I think.

2414
00:56:30,132 --> 00:56:31,397
Third, I think

2415
00:56:31,397 --> 00:56:32,696
the date of the proposed

2416
00:56:32,696 --> 00:56:33,892
changes is moved to a

2417
00:56:33,892 --> 00:56:35,226
parenthetical vote

2418
00:56:35,226 --> 00:56:36,012
with 10 votes

2419
00:56:36,012 --> 00:56:38,770
in accordance with...Okay.

2420
00:56:38,770 --> 00:56:43,037
Yes. Good. Good.

2421
00:56:43,037 --> 00:56:44,231
I'm checking the date.

2422
00:56:44,231 --> 00:56:45,948
Oh, no. It's November 3rd,

2423
00:56:45,948 --> 00:56:46,710
not March.

2424
00:56:46,710 --> 00:56:47,944
No, no, no, no.

2425
00:56:47,944 --> 00:56:48,540
March.

2426
00:56:48,540 --> 00:56:49,639
Oh, no. But I just

2427
00:56:49,639 --> 00:56:50,419
thought that I seem to have

2428
00:56:50,419 --> 00:56:51,100
three on my mind

2429
00:56:51,100 --> 00:56:51,746
because of November.

2430
00:56:51,746 --> 00:56:52,876
Or is this...What is this?

2431
00:56:52,876 --> 00:56:53,727
March 3.

2432
00:56:53,727 --> 00:56:55,031
It's March 2nd.

2433
00:56:55,031 --> 00:56:56,300
Secondly. Good. Yes, I have

2434
00:56:56,300 --> 00:56:57,070
three in mind for a

2435
00:56:57,070 --> 00:56:58,235
different reason. Good.

2436
00:56:58,235 --> 00:56:59,803
So, March 2,

2437
00:56:59,803 --> 00:57:01,347
2027. Yes. Perfectly.

2438
00:57:01,347 --> 00:57:02,682
This is the first Tuesday.

2439
00:57:02,682 --> 00:57:13,640
Yes. Good. Yes. Good.

2440
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:14,628
And Andy, we have a

2441
00:57:14,628 --> 00:57:16,034
story here in our

2442
00:57:16,034 --> 00:57:20,257
memo to the

2443
00:57:20,257 --> 00:57:21,414
board of elections that

2444
00:57:21,414 --> 00:57:22,300
starts with the

2445
00:57:22,300 --> 00:57:23,322
first

2446
00:57:23,322 --> 00:57:25,818
Bradborough charter. was published

2447
00:57:25,818 --> 00:57:28,029
in 1753.

2448
00:57:28,029 --> 00:57:28,958
Do you have a chance

2449
00:57:28,958 --> 00:57:30,162
to remind people of the

2450
00:57:30,162 --> 00:57:31,738
past? Yes?

2451
00:57:31,738 --> 00:57:33,560
I agree with you.

2452
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:37,166
Aha. We even

2453
00:57:37,166 --> 00:57:39,966
refer to the amendments

2454
00:57:39,966 --> 00:57:42,838
to the charter in 2012, 2013, 2016,

2455
00:57:42,838 --> 00:57:45,782
and 2023. Let's

2456
00:57:45,782 --> 00:57:47,219
see. There was another

2457
00:57:47,219 --> 00:58:02,773
one. Oh, the

2458
00:58:02,773 --> 00:58:03,734
city's private meeting.

2459
00:58:03,734 --> 00:58:05,458
What page?

2460
00:58:05,458 --> 00:58:06,812
five.

2461
00:58:06,812 --> 00:58:09,074
Yes.

2462
00:58:09,074 --> 00:58:10,487
You are on your third weekend

2463
00:58:10,487 --> 00:58:12,410
. This...And in our

2464
00:58:12,410 --> 00:58:21,999
project it says, where is this

2465
00:58:21,999 --> 00:58:27,442
? The first Saturday or

2466
00:58:27,442 --> 00:58:28,243
Sunday after the

2467
00:58:28,243 --> 00:58:31,421
third Monday.

2468
00:58:31,421 --> 00:58:35,943
So,

2469
00:58:35,943 --> 00:58:37,305
it's not actually the third

2470
00:58:37,305 --> 00:58:38,831
weekend.

2471
00:58:38,831 --> 00:58:40,107
Sometimes it can be

2472
00:58:40,107 --> 00:58:40,779
fourth.

2473
00:58:40,779 --> 00:58:41,575
Yes.

2474
00:58:41,575 --> 00:58:42,838
In 28, this will be the

2475
00:58:42,838 --> 00:58:45,439
fourth week.

2476
00:58:45,439 --> 00:58:46,759
So, it is the first Saturday

2477
00:58:46,759 --> 00:58:47,740
or Sunday after the

2478
00:58:47,740 --> 00:58:49,888
third Monday.

2479
00:58:49,888 --> 00:58:51,457
Yes. I can write

2480
00:58:51,457 --> 00:58:52,595
it correctly, like we

2481
00:58:52,595 --> 00:58:53,646
write in the

2482
00:58:53,646 --> 00:58:54,607
statute.

2483
00:58:54,607 --> 00:58:55,247
Yes.

2484
00:58:55,247 --> 00:59:00,448
Good. And those were the

2485
00:59:00,448 --> 00:59:01,756
only two things I had

2486
00:59:01,756 --> 00:59:08,583
. I think the

2487
00:59:08,583 --> 00:59:10,338
60% explanation was

2488
00:59:10,338 --> 00:59:12,744
great. Peter

2489
00:59:12,744 --> 00:59:14,048
gets all the credit

2490
00:59:14,048 --> 00:59:14,501
for this

2491
00:59:14,501 --> 00:59:19,004
because you know

2492
00:59:19,004 --> 00:59:21,127
60% doesn't fall from the sky,

2493
00:59:21,227 --> 00:59:22,564
right?

2494
00:59:22,564 --> 00:59:23,990
This...Everyone has been discussing

2495
00:59:23,990 --> 00:59:26,452
the budget since the summer.

2496
00:59:26,452 --> 00:59:27,887
Yes.

2497
00:59:27,887 --> 00:59:32,386
Um, and on

2498
00:59:32,386 --> 00:59:33,511
page six, excuse

2499
00:59:33,511 --> 00:59:34,567
me because, um, Kate

2500
00:59:34,567 --> 00:59:35,929
included me in this

2501
00:59:35,929 --> 00:59:37,190
initiative, and that's why I

2502
00:59:37,190 --> 00:59:38,519
actually wrote these

2503
00:59:38,519 --> 00:59:39,575
words, but I want to

2504
00:59:39,575 --> 00:59:41,077
recommend,

2505
00:59:41,077 --> 00:59:42,399
painfully taking away

2506
00:59:42,399 --> 00:59:43,516
people's authorship.

2507
00:59:43,516 --> 00:59:44,161
I want, I want to

2508
00:59:44,161 --> 00:59:44,954
recommend a

2509
00:59:44,954 --> 00:59:46,069
painfully meticulous

2510
00:59:46,069 --> 00:59:47,277
change. So, if you

2511
00:59:47,277 --> 00:59:48,389
notice that at the bottom of the

2512
00:59:48,389 --> 00:59:49,436
fifth page,

2513
00:59:49,436 --> 00:59:50,745
at least

2514
00:59:50,745 --> 00:59:51,890
60% of the title is in quotation marks. Yes,

2515
00:59:51,890 --> 00:59:52,880
I think that should

2516
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:54,086
be in quotes again in the

2517
00:59:54,086 --> 00:59:55,169
subtitle, which

2518
00:59:55,169 --> 00:59:56,035
is on

2519
00:59:56,035 --> 00:59:57,064
page six.

2520
00:59:57,064 --> 00:59:58,059
This is your thing.

2521
00:59:58,059 --> 01:00:00,269
The threshold is at least 60%.

2522
01:00:00,269 --> 01:00:00,819
Good.

2523
01:00:00,819 --> 01:00:01,215
Um,

2524
01:00:01,215 --> 01:00:02,383
yes, that's normal.

2525
01:00:02,383 --> 01:00:03,407
As I was rereading this

2526
01:00:03,407 --> 01:00:04,825
in preparation for

2527
01:00:04,852 --> 01:00:05,924
tonight, I thought

2528
01:00:05,924 --> 01:00:06,654
I had to

2529
01:00:06,654 --> 01:00:07,665
read it twice

2530
01:00:07,665 --> 01:00:08,704
because it just didn't

2531
01:00:08,704 --> 01:00:09,827
feel the same way as it did

2532
01:00:09,827 --> 01:00:11,076
n't in quotes. As if this is what

2533
01:00:11,076 --> 01:00:12,337
we want

2534
01:00:12,337 --> 01:00:13,848
to explain, this is legal.

2535
01:00:13,848 --> 01:00:14,705
Yes. So

2536
01:00:14,705 --> 01:00:16,166
thank you. That's

2537
01:00:16,166 --> 01:00:18,125
all. Good. Few people are

2538
01:00:18,125 --> 01:00:21,554
over 60.

2539
01:00:21,554 --> 01:00:25,523
Oh yes. There is

2540
01:00:25,523 --> 01:00:26,592
a supermajority,

2541
01:00:26,592 --> 01:00:27,839
particularly in the

2542
01:00:27,839 --> 01:00:28,694
ratification processes,

2543
01:00:28,694 --> 01:00:29,905
regularly, and then

2544
01:00:29,905 --> 01:00:30,866
also in another

2545
01:00:30,866 --> 01:00:32,291
process, which

2546
01:00:32,291 --> 01:00:33,609
is actually what I just

2547
01:00:33,609 --> 01:00:35,034
talked about, which is the section where

2548
01:00:35,034 --> 01:00:36,388
we certify that

2549
01:00:36,388 --> 01:00:37,314
Bob's attorney...

2550
01:00:37,314 --> 01:00:38,525
Bob Fisher, the

2551
01:00:38,525 --> 01:00:39,700
city attorney,

2552
01:00:39,700 --> 01:00:40,662
has given us his

2553
01:00:40,662 --> 01:00:41,980
certification

2554
01:00:41,980 --> 01:00:43,191
that for various reasons,

2555
01:00:43,191 --> 01:00:44,260
he clearly

2556
01:00:44,260 --> 01:00:45,649
understands that this would be

2557
01:00:45,649 --> 01:00:46,931
legal, based on

2558
01:00:46,931 --> 01:00:48,214
various circumstances

2559
01:00:48,214 --> 01:00:49,603
where the threshold exceeds

2560
01:00:49,603 --> 01:00:52,767
50%.

2561
01:00:52,767 --> 01:00:53,727
Yes.

2562
01:00:53,727 --> 01:00:56,037
Yes. Because we would have

2563
01:00:56,037 --> 01:00:57,242
stopped a long time ago if he had

2564
01:00:57,242 --> 01:00:59,966
n't done that.

2565
01:00:59,966 --> 01:01:01,473
Good. Do we see, is there

2566
01:01:01,473 --> 01:01:02,799
anything else? Does everyone

2567
01:01:02,799 --> 01:01:03,520
feel

2568
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:04,429
comfortable with this

2569
01:01:04,429 --> 01:01:07,506
document?

2570
01:01:07,506 --> 01:01:08,475
And this document,

2571
01:01:08,475 --> 01:01:09,721
apparently, comes along

2572
01:01:09,721 --> 01:01:10,932
with two draft

2573
01:01:10,932 --> 01:01:11,653
statutes.

2574
01:01:11,653 --> 01:01:12,687
Yes.

2575
01:01:12,687 --> 01:01:13,727
And again, this

2576
01:01:13,727 --> 01:01:14,950
document is intended

2577
01:01:14,950 --> 01:01:16,060
for the election board.

2578
01:01:16,060 --> 01:01:17,304
When you make your changes

2579
01:01:17,304 --> 01:01:18,612
, can you

2580
01:01:18,644 --> 01:01:19,825
repost them for

2581
01:01:19,825 --> 01:01:20,662
us

2582
01:01:20,662 --> 01:01:21,924
so I can get an

2583
01:01:21,924 --> 01:01:23,064
updated copy?

2584
01:01:23,064 --> 01:01:24,245
Oh, I'll send everyone a

2585
01:01:24,245 --> 01:01:25,184
clean copy.

2586
01:01:25,184 --> 01:01:25,603
Yes,

2587
01:01:25,603 --> 01:01:26,645
I'm going to delete

2588
01:01:26,645 --> 01:01:27,688
the project for the polling

2589
01:01:27,688 --> 01:01:28,619
station. I'm going to

2590
01:01:28,619 --> 01:01:29,610
put the correct

2591
01:01:29,610 --> 01:01:29,945
date.

2592
01:01:29,945 --> 01:01:31,071
Yes, I mean the

2593
01:01:31,071 --> 01:01:31,602
statute.

2594
01:01:31,602 --> 01:01:33,624
Oh, yes, definitely. I'll

2595
01:01:33,624 --> 01:01:34,970
give it to Seth, and he...

2596
01:01:34,970 --> 01:01:36,352
maybe I think

2597
01:01:36,352 --> 01:01:37,699
we should do something, and I

2598
01:01:37,699 --> 01:01:38,939
can work with

2599
01:01:38,939 --> 01:01:40,215
you on this, Seth,

2600
01:01:40,215 --> 01:01:41,349
because we can

2601
01:01:41,349 --> 01:01:41,951
change...

2602
01:01:41,951 --> 01:01:43,333
make sure that people

2603
01:01:43,333 --> 01:01:48,793
... Wherever they are on the

2604
01:01:48,793 --> 01:01:50,080
website, they can

2605
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:51,366
easily find our... Seth

2606
01:01:51,366 --> 01:01:52,524
knows... You know

2607
01:01:52,524 --> 01:01:54,174
what I mean? What a beautiful version.

2608
01:01:54,174 --> 01:01:56,207
But I will send it to everyone.

2609
01:01:56,207 --> 01:01:56,608
Yes.

2610
01:01:56,608 --> 01:01:57,665
Can I make a

2611
01:01:57,665 --> 01:01:58,505
suggestion?

2612
01:01:58,505 --> 01:02:00,863
Oh, yes. Um, I move that we

2613
01:02:00,863 --> 01:02:01,878
approve the draft

2614
01:02:01,878 --> 01:02:03,232
memorandum that was

2615
01:02:03,232 --> 01:02:04,484
before us

2616
01:02:04,484 --> 01:02:05,770
tonight as our...er...

2617
01:02:05,770 --> 01:02:06,684
handover

2618
01:02:06,684 --> 01:02:07,564
memorandum to the

2619
01:02:07,564 --> 01:02:08,884
Election Commission on

2620
01:02:08,884 --> 01:02:10,170
behalf of the entire Commission,

2621
01:02:10,170 --> 01:02:11,389
subject to just three

2622
01:02:11,389 --> 01:02:12,607
minor changes that

2623
01:02:12,607 --> 01:02:13,690
we discussed...

2624
01:02:13,690 --> 01:02:17,140
even

2625
01:02:17,140 --> 01:02:23,079
so...er...

2626
01:02:23,079 --> 01:02:24,337
Peter's suggestion...I'm not going to

2627
01:02:24,337 --> 01:02:25,468
repeat all of it,

2628
01:02:25,468 --> 01:02:26,631
but I will say that everything that

2629
01:02:26,631 --> 01:02:27,762
Peter just said is

2630
01:02:27,762 --> 01:02:28,674
accepted...

2631
01:02:28,674 --> 01:02:30,085
except for this. Okay

2632
01:02:30,085 --> 01:02:31,790
. So, everyone who is in favor of...

2633
01:02:31,790 --> 01:02:37,916
Okay. Perfectly. Good.

2634
01:02:37,916 --> 01:02:39,187
Now the next thing we

2635
01:02:39,187 --> 01:02:40,296
want to do is

2636
01:02:40,296 --> 01:02:41,567
talk about how

2637
01:02:41,567 --> 01:02:42,708
we want to do

2638
01:02:42,708 --> 01:02:43,752
some community

2639
01:02:43,752 --> 01:02:45,416
service. I

2640
01:02:45,416 --> 01:02:46,510
spoke with Tara

2641
01:02:46,510 --> 01:02:47,803
O'Brien at the library yesterday,

2642
01:02:47,803 --> 01:02:48,798
and they're ready and

2643
01:02:48,798 --> 01:02:49,925
eager to have

2644
01:02:49,925 --> 01:02:50,654
us, you know,

2645
01:02:50,654 --> 01:02:51,914
repeat our event

2646
01:02:51,914 --> 01:02:53,008
that we were going to

2647
01:02:53,008 --> 01:02:54,069
do tonight

2648
01:02:54,069 --> 01:02:56,472
. So, uh...I

2649
01:02:56,472 --> 01:02:57,560
said...I would

2650
01:02:57,560 --> 01:03:01,234
suggest an idea to her, and

2651
01:03:01,234 --> 01:03:02,667
I thought if we

2652
01:03:02,667 --> 01:03:03,837
could just...We're

2653
01:03:03,837 --> 01:03:05,006
going to the

2654
01:03:05,006 --> 01:03:07,576
election commission on October 6th. Um,

2655
01:03:07,576 --> 01:03:08,957
this will be put to a

2656
01:03:08,957 --> 01:03:10,453
vote on March 2nd

2657
01:03:10,453 --> 01:03:12,175
. We just need to

2658
01:03:12,175 --> 01:03:13,278
figure out, you know,

2659
01:03:13,278 --> 01:03:14,181
when we want to

2660
01:03:14,181 --> 01:03:15,451
do our first "

2661
01:03:15,451 --> 01:03:16,755
Hey World," because, you know

2662
01:03:16,755 --> 01:03:17,992
, the election committee

2663
01:03:17,992 --> 01:03:19,128
will have other things on the

2664
01:03:19,128 --> 01:03:20,432
agenda that

2665
01:03:20,432 --> 01:03:21,841
night. It's not all about

2666
01:03:21,841 --> 01:03:22,995
us. And since we are

2667
01:03:22,995 --> 01:03:24,082
simply asking them,

2668
01:03:24,082 --> 01:03:25,265
please accept

2669
01:03:25,265 --> 01:03:28,214
...Yes, that is how it should be.

2670
01:03:28,214 --> 01:03:29,539
We know it could

2671
01:03:29,539 --> 01:03:30,933
be about us, but so

2672
01:03:30,933 --> 01:03:32,049
I think, you know, I

2673
01:03:32,049 --> 01:03:32,956
think our

2674
01:03:32,956 --> 01:03:33,723
conversation should be about

2675
01:03:33,723 --> 01:03:35,048
how

2676
01:03:35,048 --> 01:03:36,443
soon do we want to get out there

2677
01:03:36,443 --> 01:03:40,107
and do something? Our

2678
01:03:40,107 --> 01:03:41,473
first thing, you know, for the

2679
01:03:41,473 --> 01:03:42,566
first public

2680
01:03:42,566 --> 01:03:43,249
meeting at the

2681
01:03:43,249 --> 01:03:44,581
library, things

2682
01:03:44,581 --> 01:03:45,571
like... we have to

2683
01:03:45,571 --> 01:03:46,664
draft what

2684
01:03:46,664 --> 01:03:47,791
we want to

2685
01:03:47,791 --> 01:03:49,123
give to the public

2686
01:03:49,123 --> 01:03:51,470
. Of course, this

2687
01:03:51,470 --> 01:03:52,250
memorandum will be

2688
01:03:52,250 --> 01:03:52,743
seen

2689
01:03:52,743 --> 01:03:53,731
by the public, but there are

2690
01:03:53,731 --> 01:03:54,666
other things

2691
01:03:54,666 --> 01:03:55,342
we want

2692
01:03:55,342 --> 01:03:56,355
the public to know about

2693
01:03:56,355 --> 01:03:57,395
that are not necessarily in

2694
01:03:57,395 --> 01:03:58,408
this memorandum and the

2695
01:03:58,408 --> 01:03:59,470
website update.

2696
01:03:59,470 --> 01:04:04,548
So, how do you feel

2697
01:04:04,548 --> 01:04:05,837
about

2698
01:04:05,837 --> 01:04:07,334
doing something in 2026, or do

2699
01:04:07,334 --> 01:04:08,955
you want to wait until

2700
01:04:08,955 --> 01:04:10,511
...2027? It seems to me

2701
01:04:10,511 --> 01:04:11,800
that 2027 is also a

2702
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:13,589
year when

2703
01:04:13,630 --> 01:04:15,252
discussions will continue, and that we

2704
01:04:15,252 --> 01:04:16,667
should not wait until

2705
01:04:16,667 --> 01:04:17,807
January 2027.

2706
01:04:17,807 --> 01:04:19,060
I think mid-

2707
01:04:19,060 --> 01:04:20,110
November would be the

2708
01:04:20,110 --> 01:04:21,554
perfect time. So that

2709
01:04:21,554 --> 01:04:25,549
we don't wait for the holidays,

2710
01:04:25,549 --> 01:04:26,878
but wait as long as possible

2711
01:04:26,878 --> 01:04:28,320
after October 6th

2712
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:31,369
before launching.

2713
01:04:31,369 --> 01:04:32,420
This gives us time to even

2714
01:04:32,420 --> 01:04:33,602
hold additional

2715
01:04:33,602 --> 01:04:34,423
meetings to

2716
01:04:34,423 --> 01:04:35,639
agree on exactly how we

2717
01:04:35,639 --> 01:04:36,361
will

2718
01:04:36,361 --> 01:04:37,511
present ourselves, if

2719
01:04:37,511 --> 01:04:38,927
necessary. But, um, it

2720
01:04:38,927 --> 01:04:40,128
seems to me that,

2721
01:04:40,128 --> 01:04:41,583
you know, right after

2722
01:04:41,583 --> 01:04:42,966
October 6th would be an early

2723
01:04:42,966 --> 01:04:44,385
start to the voting

2724
01:04:44,385 --> 01:04:45,550
, which would take place

2725
01:04:45,550 --> 01:04:47,289
in five months.

2726
01:04:47,289 --> 01:04:48,141
The materials will be

2727
01:04:48,141 --> 01:04:48,967
made public, this

2728
01:04:48,967 --> 01:04:49,953
memorandum and the clean

2729
01:04:49,953 --> 01:04:50,646
draft will be

2730
01:04:50,646 --> 01:04:51,712
made public so people

2731
01:04:51,712 --> 01:04:52,324
can

2732
01:04:52,324 --> 01:04:53,124
review them, and

2733
01:04:53,124 --> 01:04:53,896
ultimately the

2734
01:04:53,896 --> 01:04:55,016
red line draft. So,

2735
01:04:55,016 --> 01:04:56,042
um, people will be able to

2736
01:04:56,042 --> 01:04:57,137
review this, and the

2737
01:04:57,137 --> 01:04:57,958
dialogue

2738
01:04:57,958 --> 01:04:59,018
will definitely start with those

2739
01:04:59,018 --> 01:05:00,318
people who have been

2740
01:05:00,318 --> 01:05:01,378
following our

2741
01:05:01,378 --> 01:05:04,874
process more closely. But I think

2742
01:05:04,874 --> 01:05:06,099
for us to start a

2743
01:05:06,099 --> 01:05:07,387
public discussion

2744
01:05:07,387 --> 01:05:08,193
somewhere between

2745
01:05:08,193 --> 01:05:09,192
Veterans Day and

2746
01:05:09,192 --> 01:05:10,448
Thanksgiving seems like an

2747
01:05:10,448 --> 01:05:13,800
appropriate goal to me.

2748
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:19,587
Yes, I was looking at...

2749
01:05:19,587 --> 01:05:24,400
Hmm,

2750
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:25,963
one of the things

2751
01:05:25,963 --> 01:05:27,996
I can't do on

2752
01:05:27,996 --> 01:05:29,977
November 17th, 18th, because

2753
01:05:29,977 --> 01:05:31,680
I have DRB, so

2754
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:34,188
what night of the week is that?

2755
01:05:34,188 --> 01:05:35,861
This is Tuesday and Thursday.

2756
01:05:35,861 --> 01:05:37,255
Good. I know we can't

2757
01:05:37,255 --> 01:05:38,166
go to the

2758
01:05:38,166 --> 01:05:38,931
library on

2759
01:05:38,931 --> 01:05:39,748
Thursdays. This will

2760
01:05:39,748 --> 01:05:40,990
have to be done

2761
01:05:40,990 --> 01:05:41,580
because they don't

2762
01:05:41,580 --> 01:05:42,065
stay

2763
01:05:42,065 --> 01:05:42,825
open until we

2764
01:05:42,825 --> 01:05:43,668
can...We have to

2765
01:05:43,668 --> 01:05:44,386
do it in the evening

2766
01:05:44,386 --> 01:05:44,765
when they

2767
01:05:44,765 --> 01:05:45,251
stay

2768
01:05:45,251 --> 01:05:46,180
open. Yes.

2769
01:05:46,180 --> 01:05:46,710
Hmm,

2770
01:05:46,710 --> 01:05:49,174
Tuesday the 17th.

2771
01:05:49,174 --> 01:05:50,584
Is this the first or the second?

2772
01:05:50,584 --> 01:05:53,541
This is actually true. Hmm,

2773
01:05:53,541 --> 01:05:55,143
if we agree

2774
01:05:55,143 --> 01:05:56,046
with the general

2775
01:05:56,046 --> 01:05:57,607
formulation that I

2776
01:05:57,607 --> 01:05:59,127
just proposed,

2777
01:05:59,127 --> 01:06:00,195
which I did as an

2778
01:06:00,195 --> 01:06:01,468
intuition rather than as a

2779
01:06:01,468 --> 01:06:02,864
specific thing, but it

2780
01:06:02,864 --> 01:06:04,507
turns out that this

2781
01:06:04,507 --> 01:06:06,027
year, um, there's only one

2782
01:06:06,027 --> 01:06:07,464
full week between the

2783
01:06:07,464 --> 01:06:09,066
two holidays, so it would be

2784
01:06:09,066 --> 01:06:10,545
the week of November 16th, 17th,

2785
01:06:10,545 --> 01:06:11,859
18th, 19th, 20th

2786
01:06:11,859 --> 01:06:14,368
. Good.

2787
01:06:14,368 --> 01:06:15,648
November, if that's what

2788
01:06:15,648 --> 01:06:16,544
we want

2789
01:06:16,544 --> 01:06:17,509
to focus on.

2790
01:06:17,509 --> 01:06:18,075
Good.

2791
01:06:18,075 --> 01:06:18,600
Hmm,

2792
01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:19,438
why don't I

2793
01:06:19,438 --> 01:06:20,664
talk to Tara at the

2794
01:06:20,664 --> 01:06:21,607
library

2795
01:06:21,607 --> 01:06:23,015
and see what's

2796
01:06:23,015 --> 01:06:25,292
available?

2797
01:06:25,292 --> 01:06:26,925
Week? 16 or 17 would be

2798
01:06:26,925 --> 01:06:28,325
perfectly normal from

2799
01:06:28,325 --> 01:06:29,688
my point of view. The 19th

2800
01:06:29,688 --> 01:06:30,686
might be a little

2801
01:06:30,686 --> 01:06:31,787
harder, and Maya

2802
01:06:31,787 --> 01:06:33,129
just told us she

2803
01:06:33,129 --> 01:06:33,987
can't do the 18th.

2804
01:06:33,987 --> 01:06:34,367
Yes.

2805
01:06:34,367 --> 01:06:35,771
So if, um, we could

2806
01:06:35,771 --> 01:06:36,964
, maybe when you

2807
01:06:36,964 --> 01:06:38,228
talk to Tara,

2808
01:06:38,228 --> 01:06:38,895
you could

2809
01:06:38,895 --> 01:06:40,194
focus on 16-17,

2810
01:06:40,194 --> 01:06:40,435
would

2811
01:06:40,435 --> 01:06:41,484
that work?

2812
01:06:41,484 --> 01:06:42,891
Yes. And we'll have to

2813
01:06:42,891 --> 01:06:43,934
ask Joy too.

2814
01:06:43,934 --> 01:06:46,121
Yes. But I...I'll take

2815
01:06:46,121 --> 01:06:47,511
it and look at it, and

2816
01:06:47,511 --> 01:06:48,831
what I'll talk to...

2817
01:06:48,831 --> 01:06:50,013
Tara

2818
01:06:50,013 --> 01:06:51,159
tomorrow morning, and I

2819
01:06:51,159 --> 01:06:52,375
can write everyone an

2820
01:06:52,375 --> 01:06:53,730
email and

2821
01:06:53,730 --> 01:06:54,981
say great, yes

2822
01:06:54,981 --> 01:06:57,642
or no. Um, and then I

2823
01:06:57,642 --> 01:06:58,853
can talk to BCTV,

2824
01:06:58,853 --> 01:06:59,971
because obviously it would be

2825
01:06:59,971 --> 01:07:00,965
great if they

2826
01:07:00,965 --> 01:07:02,021
could record it

2827
01:07:02,021 --> 01:07:03,015
so it could

2828
01:07:03,015 --> 01:07:04,195
just be a continuous

2829
01:07:04,195 --> 01:07:05,158
loop in

2830
01:07:05,158 --> 01:07:05,600
people's heads.

2831
01:07:05,600 --> 01:07:07,727
Yes. Well, if it

2832
01:07:07,727 --> 01:07:12,047
can't be that week,

2833
01:07:12,047 --> 01:07:13,193
I would vote to

2834
01:07:13,193 --> 01:07:14,085
move it to the

2835
01:07:14,085 --> 01:07:14,977
first week of

2836
01:07:14,977 --> 01:07:18,107
December.

2837
01:07:18,107 --> 01:07:20,701
Hmm.

2838
01:07:20,701 --> 01:07:21,954
This is after people

2839
01:07:21,954 --> 01:07:23,145
are home for

2840
01:07:23,145 --> 01:07:24,116
Thanksgiving and they

2841
01:07:24,116 --> 01:07:25,307
won't be going anywhere for

2842
01:07:25,307 --> 01:07:25,815
Christmas yet.

2843
01:07:25,815 --> 01:07:28,498
Week of December 7, 8, 9, 10, 11

2844
01:07:28,498 --> 01:07:29,724
.

2845
01:07:29,724 --> 01:07:31,284
Yes. Or that week,

2846
01:07:31,284 --> 01:07:32,572
or even the first,

2847
01:07:32,572 --> 01:07:34,267
second, third.

2848
01:07:34,267 --> 01:07:42,919
Hmm. That suits me,

2849
01:07:42,919 --> 01:07:43,812
Denise.

2850
01:07:43,812 --> 01:07:46,117
Yes. Good.

2851
01:07:46,117 --> 01:07:47,518
I'll talk to

2852
01:07:47,518 --> 01:07:48,764
her tomorrow and then

2853
01:07:48,764 --> 01:07:49,787
discuss everything.

2854
01:07:49,787 --> 01:07:54,029
Good.

2855
01:07:54,029 --> 01:07:55,330
Um, now my other

2856
01:07:55,330 --> 01:07:56,395
thought, and I can

2857
01:07:56,395 --> 01:07:57,735
discuss a few

2858
01:07:57,735 --> 01:08:01,860
dates, is to prepare

2859
01:08:01,860 --> 01:08:04,275
for this. We've already

2860
01:08:04,275 --> 01:08:05,341
done it, and you people

2861
01:08:05,341 --> 01:08:06,380
may disagree

2862
01:08:06,380 --> 01:08:07,126
with me on this

2863
01:08:07,126 --> 01:08:07,872
, but we've

2864
01:08:07,872 --> 01:08:09,011
done our job.

2865
01:08:09,011 --> 01:08:10,311
We have developed a charter.

2866
01:08:10,311 --> 01:08:11,258
I think we can

2867
01:08:11,258 --> 01:08:12,180
make it so that we

2868
01:08:12,180 --> 01:08:12,728
don't have to

2869
01:08:12,728 --> 01:08:13,700
meet in the

2870
01:08:13,700 --> 01:08:14,547
election

2871
01:08:14,547 --> 01:08:15,898
board meeting rooms. Do you understand what

2872
01:08:15,898 --> 01:08:16,861
I mean? We can have a

2873
01:08:16,861 --> 01:08:18,012
meeting with

2874
01:08:18,012 --> 01:08:18,392
me

2875
01:08:18,392 --> 01:08:19,573
to prepare our

2876
01:08:19,573 --> 01:08:20,849
material, and we won't be,

2877
01:08:20,849 --> 01:08:21,839
as you think, at the

2878
01:08:21,839 --> 01:08:22,988
election

2879
01:08:22,988 --> 01:08:23,376
board meeting.

2880
01:08:23,376 --> 01:08:24,295
I think if we're

2881
01:08:24,295 --> 01:08:25,187
still going to

2882
01:08:25,187 --> 01:08:26,106
be a commission, we

2883
01:08:26,106 --> 01:08:26,612
still

2884
01:08:26,612 --> 01:08:27,377
need to

2885
01:08:27,377 --> 01:08:28,361
hold public

2886
01:08:28,361 --> 01:08:28,926
meetings frequently.

2887
01:08:28,926 --> 01:08:30,263
Good. No, no, I'm saying

2888
01:08:30,263 --> 01:08:31,504
we could do

2889
01:08:31,504 --> 01:08:32,817
it in the library. Oh, we,

2890
01:08:32,817 --> 01:08:33,804
like, the five of us

2891
01:08:33,804 --> 01:08:34,936
could meet

2892
01:08:34,936 --> 01:08:35,923
at the library if

2893
01:08:35,923 --> 01:08:36,881
it's open to the

2894
01:08:36,881 --> 01:08:37,417
public.

2895
01:08:37,417 --> 01:08:38,642
Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying,

2896
01:08:38,642 --> 01:08:39,643
because I think it will be more

2897
01:08:39,643 --> 01:08:40,754
difficult. The Election

2898
01:08:40,754 --> 01:08:41,632
Board is putting together its

2899
01:08:41,632 --> 01:08:42,404
budget, and I'm really

2900
01:08:42,404 --> 01:08:43,042
worried about... we

2901
01:08:43,042 --> 01:08:43,600
have to

2902
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:44,531
meet here and

2903
01:08:44,531 --> 01:08:45,483
we're being informed.

2904
01:08:45,483 --> 01:08:46,506
Oh, if you're

2905
01:08:46,506 --> 01:08:47,413
just talking about the physical

2906
01:08:47,413 --> 01:08:48,554
venue, I

2907
01:08:48,554 --> 01:08:50,224
agree with that. I'm just

2908
01:08:50,224 --> 01:08:52,388
saying that we can make our

2909
01:08:52,418 --> 01:08:53,607
lives a little easier because all

2910
01:08:53,607 --> 01:08:54,582
we're going to do is

2911
01:08:54,582 --> 01:08:55,618
discuss

2912
01:08:55,618 --> 01:08:56,776
what the material will be and

2913
01:08:56,776 --> 01:08:57,965
what our process will be,

2914
01:08:57,965 --> 01:08:58,269
we're not going

2915
01:08:58,269 --> 01:08:59,345
to discuss the

2916
01:08:59,345 --> 01:09:00,111
full

2917
01:09:00,111 --> 01:09:01,380
substance of the statute. So we just

2918
01:09:01,380 --> 01:09:01,933
kind of

2919
01:09:01,933 --> 01:09:02,717
shut up, we

2920
01:09:02,717 --> 01:09:03,339
still do it

2921
01:09:03,339 --> 01:09:04,152
openly. We keep

2922
01:09:04,152 --> 01:09:05,204
minutes and let the

2923
01:09:05,222 --> 01:09:05,615
world know that we are

2924
01:09:05,615 --> 01:09:06,168
meeting, and

2925
01:09:06,168 --> 01:09:06,810
everyone can come and

2926
01:09:06,810 --> 01:09:07,416
listen to us to

2927
01:09:07,416 --> 01:09:07,827
decide whether

2928
01:09:07,827 --> 01:09:08,362
we like the

2929
01:09:08,362 --> 01:09:09,058
wording "feminine"

2930
01:09:09,058 --> 01:09:09,176
.

2931
01:09:09,176 --> 01:09:10,146
I'm just saying we

2932
01:09:10,146 --> 01:09:10,989
don't need to

2933
01:09:10,989 --> 01:09:11,421
do this.

2934
01:09:11,421 --> 01:09:12,368
I agree. I

2935
01:09:12,368 --> 01:09:13,208
misunderstood you

2936
01:09:13,208 --> 01:09:14,951
. I thought

2937
01:09:14,951 --> 01:09:15,838
I

2938
01:09:15,838 --> 01:09:16,765
misunderstood you. What you

2939
01:09:16,765 --> 01:09:17,388
just said

2940
01:09:17,388 --> 01:09:18,274
sounds right.

2941
01:09:18,274 --> 01:09:19,380
We still need to

2942
01:09:19,380 --> 01:09:20,445
have BCTV there. No.

2943
01:09:20,445 --> 01:09:21,658
we wouldn't.

2944
01:09:21,658 --> 01:09:22,790
No. So, one of us would

2945
01:09:22,790 --> 01:09:23,597
take the minutes, and it would be a

2946
01:09:23,597 --> 01:09:24,230
public

2947
01:09:24,230 --> 01:09:24,745
meeting.

2948
01:09:24,745 --> 01:09:25,125
Yes.

2949
01:09:25,125 --> 01:09:26,613
We would do it like

2950
01:09:26,613 --> 01:09:28,182
all other commissions.

2951
01:09:28,182 --> 01:09:29,877
Yes. Because we've already

2952
01:09:29,877 --> 01:09:31,173
covered the basics.

2953
01:09:31,173 --> 01:09:31,969
If we were still

2954
01:09:31,969 --> 01:09:32,736
discussing

2955
01:09:32,736 --> 01:09:33,962
the wording of the statute

2956
01:09:33,962 --> 01:09:35,096
and all that, I would

2957
01:09:35,096 --> 01:09:36,230
n't...suggest it, but

2958
01:09:36,230 --> 01:09:37,302
since we're just

2959
01:09:37,302 --> 01:09:38,222
writing a

2960
01:09:38,222 --> 01:09:38,782
memo,

2961
01:09:38,782 --> 01:09:40,034
I don't mind, especially

2962
01:09:40,034 --> 01:09:41,321
since the result of

2963
01:09:41,321 --> 01:09:42,506
this would be a broad

2964
01:09:42,506 --> 01:09:43,979
public process,

2965
01:09:43,979 --> 01:09:44,634
right?

2966
01:09:44,634 --> 01:09:45,739
Yes, of course.

2967
01:09:45,739 --> 01:09:47,021
I just think it would be

2968
01:09:47,021 --> 01:09:48,111
easier for us not to be

2969
01:09:48,111 --> 01:09:48,885
married.

2970
01:09:48,885 --> 01:09:50,398
Yes, that's normal. Yes

2971
01:09:50,398 --> 01:09:50,540
.

2972
01:09:50,540 --> 01:09:51,750
And I think the

2973
01:09:51,750 --> 01:09:52,718
election

2974
01:09:52,718 --> 01:09:53,655
board memo was a good

2975
01:09:53,655 --> 01:09:56,238
start. Yes. Yes.

2976
01:09:56,238 --> 01:09:59,051
Good. So,

2977
01:09:59,051 --> 01:10:00,280
while I'm at the

2978
01:10:00,280 --> 01:10:01,257
library, why don't I

2979
01:10:01,257 --> 01:10:02,595
see if there's, um,

2980
01:10:02,595 --> 01:10:03,426
if we want to

2981
01:10:03,426 --> 01:10:06,551
meet

2982
01:10:06,551 --> 01:10:07,841
after 6?

2983
01:10:07,841 --> 01:10:09,372
Yes, after the 6th. And I

2984
01:10:09,372 --> 01:10:10,479
can see if

2985
01:10:10,479 --> 01:10:11,274
any of them have a

2986
01:10:11,274 --> 01:10:12,297
free room. And,

2987
01:10:12,297 --> 01:10:13,391
of course, Joy is

2988
01:10:13,391 --> 01:10:14,447
not here. So I'm going to

2989
01:10:14,447 --> 01:10:15,340
send this in if you

2990
01:10:15,340 --> 01:10:16,099
guys give me

2991
01:10:16,099 --> 01:10:17,048
some dates at work.

2992
01:10:17,048 --> 01:10:17,910
I can check at the

2993
01:10:17,910 --> 01:10:18,773
library and then

2994
01:10:18,773 --> 01:10:19,683
we'll email it to everyone

2995
01:10:19,683 --> 01:10:20,618
and

2996
01:10:20,618 --> 01:10:21,409
make sure

2997
01:10:21,409 --> 01:10:23,536
Joy

2998
01:10:23,536 --> 01:10:24,509
because we can

2999
01:10:24,509 --> 01:10:25,422
schedule it via

3000
01:10:25,422 --> 01:10:26,618
email.

3001
01:10:26,618 --> 01:10:27,880
We can't talk

3002
01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:28,796
about the substance, but we

3003
01:10:28,796 --> 01:10:31,446
can choose the dates,

3004
01:10:31,446 --> 01:10:32,922
and we'll make Seth's life easier

3005
01:10:32,922 --> 01:10:35,162
.

3006
01:10:35,162 --> 01:10:36,643
Sorry?

3007
01:10:36,643 --> 01:10:37,699
We're going to

3008
01:10:37,699 --> 01:10:39,284
make Seth's life easier

3009
01:10:39,284 --> 01:10:40,828
in October, except for

3010
01:10:40,828 --> 01:10:51,036
...the 21st. Yeah,

3011
01:10:51,036 --> 01:10:52,265
assuming we're

3012
01:10:52,265 --> 01:10:53,802
only talking about, um,

3013
01:10:53,802 --> 01:10:55,184
Monday-Thursday,

3014
01:10:55,184 --> 01:10:56,682
not Friday, then,

3015
01:10:56,682 --> 01:11:01,394
um, the only time I

3016
01:11:01,394 --> 01:11:02,730
couldn't afford to

3017
01:11:02,730 --> 01:11:03,798
check if that was

3018
01:11:03,798 --> 01:11:16,430
true. Sorry. They are

3019
01:11:16,430 --> 01:11:17,659
closed on October 12th

3020
01:11:17,659 --> 01:11:18,770
due to indigenous

3021
01:11:18,770 --> 01:11:19,835
people.

3022
01:11:19,835 --> 01:11:20,232
Oh, is

3023
01:11:20,232 --> 01:11:21,184
n't that right?

3024
01:11:21,184 --> 01:11:21,579
Yes.

3025
01:11:21,579 --> 01:11:22,712
Oh, yes. Yes.

3026
01:11:22,712 --> 01:11:23,733
All will be

3027
01:11:23,733 --> 01:11:24,537
closed because of the

3028
01:11:24,537 --> 01:11:25,627
indigenous people.

3029
01:11:25,627 --> 01:11:26,946
Yes. People's Day.

3030
01:11:26,946 --> 01:11:29,089
The

3031
01:11:29,089 --> 01:11:33,608
15th won't work for me.

3032
01:11:33,608 --> 01:11:34,679
And we wouldn't want to

3033
01:11:34,679 --> 01:11:36,009
do it on the 8th because that's

3034
01:11:36,009 --> 01:11:38,305
like two days. On the 20th. The 22nd wo

3035
01:11:38,305 --> 01:11:43,103
n't work for me.

3036
01:11:43,103 --> 01:11:44,585
So, let's see if

3037
01:11:44,585 --> 01:11:45,347
we can get

3038
01:11:45,347 --> 01:11:46,956
settled on the 19th or

3039
01:11:46,956 --> 01:11:48,967
20th. Will this work for you,

3040
01:11:48,967 --> 01:11:49,478
Denise?

3041
01:11:49,478 --> 01:11:49,932
Hooray.

3042
01:11:49,932 --> 01:11:50,767
Any of these

3043
01:11:50,767 --> 01:11:51,881
options will work.

3044
01:11:51,881 --> 01:11:52,978
So I'll see if that

3045
01:11:52,978 --> 01:11:54,205
works. And then we

3046
01:11:54,205 --> 01:11:55,178
can check with

3047
01:11:55,178 --> 01:11:55,515
Joy.

3048
01:11:55,515 --> 01:11:56,925
Yes. And the same with the

3049
01:11:56,925 --> 01:11:58,910
following week, the 26th

3050
01:11:58,910 --> 01:12:00,332
and 27th. Yes, that would work for

3051
01:12:00,332 --> 01:12:01,366
me too

3052
01:12:01,366 --> 01:12:02,314
if we needed to

3053
01:12:02,314 --> 01:12:03,377
go back to

3054
01:12:03,377 --> 01:12:03,793
that.

3055
01:12:03,793 --> 01:12:06,116
Good. Good. Is that

3056
01:12:06,116 --> 01:12:08,154
true? Tomorrow? I'll give it

3057
01:12:08,185 --> 01:12:09,136
enough time.

3058
01:12:09,136 --> 01:12:09,680
Good.

3059
01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:10,818
So, you'll send us

3060
01:12:10,818 --> 01:12:11,898
some dates when you

3061
01:12:11,898 --> 01:12:12,670
confirm everything.

3062
01:12:12,670 --> 01:12:13,449
Yes.

3063
01:12:13,449 --> 01:12:15,077
I can't on the 27th.

3064
01:12:15,077 --> 01:12:17,648
Good. Good.

3065
01:12:17,648 --> 01:12:19,858
This is not an annual meeting.

3066
01:12:19,858 --> 01:12:21,920
I have to be there. Are

3067
01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:23,480
you running again?

3068
01:12:23,480 --> 01:12:26,731
No. No.

3069
01:12:26,731 --> 01:12:29,875
I won't run

3070
01:12:29,875 --> 01:12:30,583
because you still have

3071
01:12:30,583 --> 01:12:31,964
months left to do so

3072
01:12:31,964 --> 01:12:33,205
. Good. So I'll

3073
01:12:33,205 --> 01:12:34,817
check. Thank you. I'll

3074
01:12:34,817 --> 01:12:35,695
check the

3075
01:12:35,695 --> 01:12:44,278
years.

3076
01:12:44,278 --> 01:12:46,113
Good. Good. So I'll

3077
01:12:46,113 --> 01:12:47,160
do that, and then we

3078
01:12:47,160 --> 01:12:48,208
can decide,

3079
01:12:48,208 --> 01:12:49,223
because, and then we

3080
01:12:49,223 --> 01:12:50,493
can...I've been working and

3081
01:12:50,493 --> 01:12:51,572
getting additional

3082
01:12:51,572 --> 01:12:52,271
information,

3083
01:12:52,271 --> 01:12:53,318
like more

3084
01:12:53,318 --> 01:12:54,524
texts to go

3085
01:12:54,524 --> 01:12:55,413
on the website to

3086
01:12:55,413 --> 01:12:56,373
replace this. We

3087
01:12:56,373 --> 01:12:57,635
can provide this to you

3088
01:12:57,635 --> 01:12:58,346
and it won't be a

3089
01:12:58,346 --> 01:12:59,061
problem.

3090
01:12:59,061 --> 01:13:01,615
Yes. Good.

3091
01:13:01,615 --> 01:13:03,331
Um...Okay. And then

3092
01:13:03,331 --> 01:13:04,352
regarding the sixth, I

3093
01:13:04,352 --> 01:13:05,957
will let you know, friends.

3094
01:13:05,957 --> 01:13:06,984
I don't know, we don't

3095
01:13:06,984 --> 01:13:07,856
know yet when we'll

3096
01:13:07,856 --> 01:13:08,821
be on the

3097
01:13:08,821 --> 01:13:09,768
agenda. We are on the

3098
01:13:09,768 --> 01:13:12,935
agenda. Um,

3099
01:13:12,935 --> 01:13:14,179
and I'll make those changes and

3100
01:13:14,179 --> 01:13:15,325
get the materials

3101
01:13:15,325 --> 01:13:16,569
to make sure

3102
01:13:16,569 --> 01:13:17,813
I get them...

3103
01:13:17,813 --> 01:13:18,566
I'll just pass it on to the

3104
01:13:18,566 --> 01:13:19,810
staff so they...

3105
01:13:19,810 --> 01:13:20,733
on the website. I will

3106
01:13:20,733 --> 01:13:21,967
make sure everyone

3107
01:13:21,967 --> 01:13:23,201
gets updated

3108
01:13:23,201 --> 01:13:26,141
copies. Perfectly.

3109
01:13:26,141 --> 01:13:28,615
So, the first stage

3110
01:13:28,615 --> 01:13:30,317
is complete.

3111
01:13:30,317 --> 01:13:31,938
The first stage.

3112
01:13:31,938 --> 01:13:33,539
Wow. The second stage doesn't

3113
01:13:33,539 --> 01:13:34,725
take four years, does

3114
01:13:34,725 --> 01:13:35,385
it?

3115
01:13:35,385 --> 01:13:37,085
I don't know. It depends

3116
01:13:37,085 --> 01:13:37,654
on you.

3117
01:13:37,654 --> 01:13:38,693
Thank you, Andy.

3118
01:13:38,693 --> 01:13:40,183
Thanks,

3119
01:13:40,183 --> 01:13:40,797
guys.

3120
01:13:40,797 --> 01:13:41,706
It depends on what the

3121
01:13:41,706 --> 01:13:42,638
legislature does

3122
01:13:42,638 --> 01:13:42,995
.

3123
01:13:42,995 --> 01:13:44,831
Yes, we have. Well, we

3124
01:13:44,831 --> 01:13:46,141
have March 1st.

3125
01:13:46,141 --> 01:13:47,701
So it's postponed. Okay

3126
01:13:47,701 --> 01:13:49,026
. Everyone who supports

3127
01:13:49,026 --> 01:13:50,332
the transfer.

3128
01:13:50,332 --> 01:13:51,946
Thank you.