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Access a quasi-judicial body when it hears requests for rezoning and conditional use permits. Applicants must provide competent, substantial evidence, establishing facts, or expert witness opinion testimony, showing that the request meets the zoning code and comprehensive plan criteria.

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Opponents must also testify as detects or provide expert testimony, whether they like or dislike a request is not competent evidence.

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The board must then decide whether the evidence demonstrates consistency and compatibility with the conference at plan and the existing rules and the zoning ordinance, property adjacent to the property to be resowned and the actual development of the surrounding area.

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The board cannot consider a speculation, non-expert opinion testimony, or pull the audience by asking those in favor or opposed to stand up or erase their hands.

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If a commissioner has had communications regarding a resounding or conditionally's permit

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request before the board, the commissioner must disclose the subject of the communication

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and the identity of the person, group or entity, within the communication took place before

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the board takes action on the request. Likewise, if a commissioner has made a site visit,

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inspection or investigation, the commissioner must disclose that document before the board takes action

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on the request. Each applicant is allowed a total of 15 minutes to present their request,

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Unless the time is extended by majority vote of the board.

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The applicant may reserve any portion of the 15 minutes for a battle.

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Other speakers are allowed five minutes to speak.

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Speakers may not pass their time to someone else in order to give that person more time to speak.

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And welcome.

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Today is May 1st.

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Brevard County Board of County Commissioners zoning meeting.

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We are going to have the invocation this evening by District 2.

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Commissioner Nelson and I will file with the pledge.

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It's my pleasure this evening to have a friend and a community leader Reverend Peter Roberts from St. Luke's Episcopal Church.

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You can see, sir.

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Good evening.

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Good evening.

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We begin with a night by giving thanks to this beautiful place we live.

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This place of peace, a place of prosperity.

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We pray for that it may continue to be so.

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We give thanks.

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Give it to them by us the people.

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We pray for the commission tonight as they meet.

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They may have a spirit of courage,

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judicial oversight, and more stooporantly wisdom.

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They remember that they are servants, not rulers.

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We pray for all those who present their case that will do so

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in a spirit of openness, of honesty, and acceptance

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of the democratic will.

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We ask this all in the name of the ever-living God. Amen.

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Please join me.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the U.S.

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and to the U.S. and to the United States of America and to the U.S.

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and to the U.S. and to the U.S. and to the U.S. and to the U.S.

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We will now go into the resolutions.

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I do have a resolution posted here by Commissioner Fentini.

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Thank you. Last meeting, we had some individuals come before us from Indian River County and

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helped expose some of what was taking place with all aboard Florida. And as such, I

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told them that I would place a mirrored resolution on our agenda today as it had just passed

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Indian River County to work against the forward movement of all aboard Florida, the train

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that wants to be bringing passengers from Miami, Broward County, and Palm Beach County all

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the way through to Orlando, which in a way doesn't sound bad, except that they won't have

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any stops here in Broward County, and there's a lot more to go to that.

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I could read the resolution, if everybody would like me to read it, there's not somebody

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here that's accepting it, but rather, I'd rather just make the motion to approve.

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I was just presenting this that Nico homeowners in down in Bearfoot Bay and they're all

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very, very excited.

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So, with that, I make the motion to approve the resolution.

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I have a motion by Commissioner, if a teeny second by Commissioner Anderson for discussion.

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I have a light by Commissioner Nelson.

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I thought it was a sports direction that we were going to talk about that at the PPL on Thursday

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to include our cities.

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I think there were some legitimate questions to ask, but I don't know that I heard the answer.

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So, my preference would be, is that we can always do the resolution. There's no urgency.

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I would want to have our cities on board at the same time.

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And that was kind of the direction we took.

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Commissioner Fentini chairs on our own to do this and I appreciate that.

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But I would prefer to have a full body, have that discussion,

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have all board floor to actually be there to be able to to respond to some of the questions and I

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talked to a Bob Com today with TPO and he said that they would be there so rather than

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then rushing through something which we may have to change in the later date I'd like to at least

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be informed as to what what those answers are.

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Good morning sir.

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Good morning sir.

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I couldn't agree with you.

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More Sir audio.

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You guys know from B1 I didn't like the deal and I hadn't had concerns about it and said

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If it's not coming through with R, then while we go through all this, I'm in a commission

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meeting, can you tell me that I shouldn't be so selfish and all that, whether it happened.

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So with that, I guess we'd be for this resolution.

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I made a recommendation of the day that goes to TPO and go the proper way of getting back

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and getting cities and to TPO, understanding what our concerns are and then letting them make

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a recommendation to this board.

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I am going to concur that I would like to have the entire geographic county behind something

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like this before we move forward.

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And so if the end of the discussion, do all of them please state aye?

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All opposed.

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May.

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Does not pass 2 a 2 net 3 net.

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And I just want to say is that I think there are some legitimate concerns.

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I'm concerned about the cost that it could have the local government, but the questions

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there was nobody there to answer them. I think it's only fair that we hear what those answers are.

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And we play as I said we can always do this.

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The environmental statement has not even been completed at this point in time.

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So I would prefer. So thank you.

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I don't even know what is cost, what have we even cost is counting.

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You know, I think we ought to have those numbers and then understand exactly what we're saying no to.

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So.

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Okay, next time we go into, we'll be the public hearings.

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I have 3B1 is the applicant, I do not have a car in the applicant, and I am going to look at

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staff then, is there any opposition?

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Anything else?

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Now, I believe the applicant is here.

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This is a conditionally used for it for beer and wine only accessory to an existing 40C restaurant.

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Would the applicant like to make a statement before and move forward?

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I think we're ready to approve unless you would like to just stand there and let us do our business.

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I'm going to take the, oh, you already did it?

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I have a motion by commissioner Anderson, second by commissioner Nelson, all in favor please say aye.

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Passes.

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I know I haven't been here for a couple of meetings, but I didn't know we spade that up that fast.

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Okay, great. The next item, then, is the two, did Mr. Jake Wise want to say anything before we move forward?

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Okay. I have a motion by Commissioner Nelson, do I have a second?

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by Commissioner Anderson, all in favor, please state aye.

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Aye.

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Passes 5-0.

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Okay, next item.

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Mr. Underreal.

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Okay, if we would like to move forward on this, do I have a motion?

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I have a motion by Commissioner Nelson.

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Second by Commissioner Anderson, all in favor, please state aye.

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Aye. Passes 5-0.

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Don't get used to it. It's not going to stay at this pace.

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Okay, B4, and do we have B&C consultants here to come forward?

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The property owners.

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The property owner, if you would like to come forward, if you'd like to speak to us.

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I make a motion to approve and ask there's questions.

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I'm assuming there's including the recommendations.

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Correct.

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I do have a motion on the floor by Commissioner Incontaining.

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And a second by Commissioner Anderson, open for discussion.

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I'm still a loss at why you need a 70 foot jumbo tron when our code says that the

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tallest point of the structure should be no taller than the tallest point in the building

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itself.

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Why do you need 70 feet?

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That's a seven-story building, right?

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Through all the issues that I had brought up before with it, it's basically a line of sight

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on the baseball fields. Most fields you see similar to what you have here in Vira.

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It's got the blackout screen in the center field of it and anything that's in the line

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of size of anybody throwing the ball around or anything that has bright colors or a white

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type of color or anything can cause a distraction and not be able to see the ball being

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thrown at you. And so with a 40 by 30, it's the minimum

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That the manufacturers and all of the major league baseball and all of them advised to have the least amount, but they would want it.

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And we originally had it at 90 feet, but it was really kind of hard to see, and you could see it from 5 to 20.

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I know there was an issue with that, so we lowered it down to 70 feet to address those concerns.

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But you, again, you can't see it from 5 to 20 or Friday road.

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You might recall the last time I was up in front of you.

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We had a line of sight and detail that the architect did.

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I have one of those with whom if you'd like to see it again.

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Well, I have seen the information provided.

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I just played baseball ahead of a few fields under my control over the years.

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And I don't accept the fact that you say that it has to be that that elevation because at some point during a game that's going to be in play, no matter where it goes, no matter what height you put it at at some point, all those issues you say will come into play.

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The fact that you did move it up to further till that field as far as you can move it, I think it's good, but I think the height is still excessive.

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So I, I just, the, the, the tallest structure in your facility is 38 feet or the, the, the tallest point of your stadium and this is only going to be eight, the bottom will be eight feet from that and then going up another almost 30 feet.

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So I just think that's unnecessary.

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Be honest with you.

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If, if we couldn't have it that high, then we wouldn't be able to have the board.

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I'm just a great Jeff stuff.

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You are aware of the stipulation that the structure would only be used during the schedule

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events and so would not be on any other time than that.

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We didn't know reason to do that because it eats up a lot of electricity.

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Okay.

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Any purchases were already?

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No.

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No.

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We had a deposit on it, but it's saying we have a deposit on it.

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All right.

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Okay.

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Okay, we have a motion. All in favor, please state I, anyone opposed?

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Four, one, commissioner Nelson, nay.

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Thank you very much.

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Okay, next item is going to be a small scale plan amendment.

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Do I have the applicants?

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We should just speak this.

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Face that.

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This is a change from TR1 to V2 with the accompanying small scale plan amendment

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from residential one to community commercial.

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This is for an existing use for a storage yard.

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They have or are either planning to pull some additional

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building permits to construct another building on the property

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and therefore they need to have the B2 zoning.

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Okay, and they come into the board to have a motion.

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I have a motion by Commissioner Fisher,

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second by Commissioner Anderson,

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all in favor, please state aye.

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Anyone opposed?

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Pass us five zero.

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We will now go into the public hearing amendment for chapter 62 of

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the changing of the guard over there.

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I have no cards on this item.

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I have a motion by Commissioner Nelson, second by Commissioner Anderson for approval, all in favor.

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Any discussion? All in favor, please state aye.

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Anyone opposed? Passes 5-0.

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Unfinished business.

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Now, we're going to be talking about a board representation on audit selection committee. And Mr. Whitman, would you like to bring us up to speak on that?

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Yes, ma'am, your policy requires a board representative for the selection committee, for the auditing firm, for the annual financial audit. And so, per your policy, it is before you to either appoint a commissioner or a board representative.

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to serve representatives from the Constitutional Office here as on this committee.

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I do have a light by Commissioner Nelson followed by Commissioner Matini.

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I was involved here at the last time.

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Can I do a hint?

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Okay.

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We do have a motion by.

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Are you second of your first?

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Commissioner Nelson, second by.

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committee for discussion. It says that the audit committee will be consisting of a deputy

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county manager, and I'd like to welcome our new county manager to the audience. Did you

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want to change that title? That's actually the mistake we made from last time. Do you want

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to change that? Or are we going to have a deputy county manager still?

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No, on April, when you previously have this item, you did have a deputy county manager.

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And so we're just advising you that that was the wrong make-up for the committee.

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And so that's really the historical on the item.

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But again, the request before you as for a board appointee.

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Okay, I have before me a motion for the appointment of Commissioner Nelson.

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All in favor, please state aye.

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Anyone opposed?

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The next item is going to be first responder agreements for the year 2013-2014.

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I have no cards on this item.

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I've been to move the item.

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But again, this, for my perspective, is the last year that we will be doing this.

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I know the cities have sent us resolutions, but I think it has become time for us to move on.

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It's inherently unfair to unincorporated because we pay twice, so if the cities don't want

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to provide that service, then I would suggest anybody in the audience have an accident

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in the county in the cities, because we pay for and provide the higher level of service

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and we have been subsidizing them doing that, and I would hope they would step up, so move

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that on.

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I have a motion by Commissioner Nelson, do I have a second?

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I'm just making sure, I'm just saying, stop helping me figure out Mr. Whitton, exactly.

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I mean, we already made a motion prior to not funded this budget cycle. Why aren't we,

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why aren't we, why aren't we exactly in front of this budget, we funded this cycle.

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Yeah, we did it from, we said we responded to the end of September, right?

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We were going to fund this year so that we, because we were in September doing the budget,

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they hadn't anticipated the loss of those revenues and so the board made the decision to

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fund it one more year with a notice to them that this would be the last year.

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And that year is the search number of the current.

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This is 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20.

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They could have gotten the money in October of this year, but I think historically the contracts have

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come in about this for just time of year.

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That's great.

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So, if we pass this, then we will not have discussion in budget cycle this year about

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We will have.

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I do see you're like Commissioner Anderson. Yes, it will probably be brought up,

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but we've voiced pretty strongly from last time where we stand on it. I do have a motion

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do I have a second at this time. I'll move the gabbled to you in a second. Open for discussion, Commissioner Anderson.

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I'm just being consistent with what I said in the past.

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Since we have some budget constraints,

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and I concur with Commissioner Nelson's view

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that, you know, the bartending resonance

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or such a buzz and municipalities,

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but I'm just going to continue to vote now.

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It's just to be consistent.

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Even though I'm dead from budget.

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For next year's budget to me.

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I don't know.

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I'm sure we won't know again.

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Okay.

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Now I see what your consistency is.

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Commissioner Nelson?

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Just one last comment.

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I think we take this thought.

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We had indicated to the cities that this was the last year.

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So I would hope that because I think it's three two last time.

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But I would hope that we would be consistent with that because if not,

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there's going to be some deep holes in Palm Bay's pocket,

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as well as Melbourne, as well as some of these others.

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Okay.

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I have motion before, so all in favor, please say aye.

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Those opposed.

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Three, two.

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And then the discussion will be for the budget next year, later.

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I do have a card on the next item, which is the presentation by the Blue Ribbon Advisory Committee Report.

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At this point in time, I have 11 cards.

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Excuse me, Mr. Witten.

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Madam Chair, do you want the—we would anticipate it that you would have the presentation

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of the findings first and then go to the public speaker cards there, and so that's

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the case, Chairman of the Committee, Mr. Larry Schultz, is here to provide that presentation.

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I think it's about a 20-something-slide power-borne presentation, and so we'd ask Mr. Schultz

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Shoulders to come forward and make that presentation.

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Good evening, sir.

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Madam Chair, are you using

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ladies and gentlemen of the commission?

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It's good to see you all again.

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It's been a little time, but I'm glad to see that you're all getting a little real well.

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My name is Larry Schultel, I live in Rockledge, and I am the community representative

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to the Blue Ribbon Committee and I'm also the chairman of that particular committee and I'd

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like to acquaint you with the recommendations and the activities of the committee as they

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transpire. First of all, I wanted to say that you appointed a very good group of people,

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some very interested folks who were interested in the subject provided valuable input provided

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some spirited discussions at one time or another, and I appreciate the fact that these folks

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were a part of it, and we could not have produced the document that we did without the support

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of these folks.

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So I just wanted to say thank you.

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Now if I can get this thing to work.

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Wait, you know what I'm talking about?

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I was the design guy.

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Mr. Locker, will you be able to assist?

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There's a magical switch now.

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One of these small screen lines.

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I'm going to say that one.

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The particular mission that you gave this particular committee was one I had two parts.

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First of all, you asked us to look at the ongoing road maintenance and capacity needs.

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for all of the county roads, and also to take and recommend to you some sustainable, short-term

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and long-term funding solutions that could be appointed could be approved by the Board itself

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or by the voters in Brevard County.

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The committee was 19 members. Business community was well represented. There's a nice long list

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folks there. We had some good input from them.

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The development community was

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aptly represented. We had some good participation and the community at

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large was part of this also and I'm the citizen represented. So there are

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some folks from the committee that are here today and I know that later on

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some of them want to talk to you and I'd like to have those members of the

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many who are here today to stand up and to be recognized.

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Give them a round of applause.

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Thank you.

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We did a lot of good work and appreciate the opportunity.

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You all formed this particular committee back in April of 2013.

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All of the appointees were in place by about the first of July.

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We had our first organizational meeting in the end of August.

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We conducted eight meetings where we reviewed all of the options, looked at all of the inputs and discussed various alternatives and recommendations and finalized our recommendations on March 18th.

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My birthday.

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We had two birthday boys, the chairman and the vice chairman were birthday boys on the 18th.

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Here is what we learned as a result of all of this activity.

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First of all, county roads, what do we mean by county roads?

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We're talking about 1,200 miles of roads in the county that are both in the cities and

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in unincorporated before.

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What we're not talking about are state and federal highways.

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We're not talking about I-95, US-1-192, A1A, state road 50, all of that stuff.

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That's a separate category of road that is managed by other people and funded by other

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sources than what we're talking about here.

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There is a breakdown there of all of the roads by district for your information.

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We also took a look at the neighborhood.

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We looked at our surrounding counties in East Central Florida, tried to figure out where we

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were in relation to all of those other counties.

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And as you can see, we're at the work of the bottom.

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We spend less on transportation for a mile than anybody else.

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And in a lot of cases, these other counties are able to take and provide additional funding

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because they have more alternative funding sources, more sources of funding for transportation

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than Brevard.

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What we wanted to do first was to look at the current expenses, the current public works

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department budget for maintaining and resurfacing all of the county roads is about 14 million

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dollars annually.

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That budget includes drainage, mowing, hot holes, infrastructure repair, equipment maintenance,

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replacement and some small portions of landscaping. An example of what is covered in this particular

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budget is the Palm Bay Road drainage failure, which is currently costing $850,000.

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We quickly

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learn that one of the big issues is keeping up with resurfacing and that's one of our greatest

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challenges right now your budget allows for resurfacing of only 8 miles of roadway each and every year.

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Roads generally have a life cycle of something like 20 years in order to properly maintain all of those 1200 miles we were talking about.

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You would need to resurface basically an average of 55 miles every single year and currently we're only doing a.

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Without regular resurfacing, roads deteriorate usually beyond repair and must be reconstructed.

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The cost of reconstructing a road is something like three times more expensive than repaying.

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Reconstructing a road costs about a quarter of a million dollars a mile.

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Normal resurfacing costs about 85,000 per mile.

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Right now, we're investing something like $600,000 annually to resurface those 8 pounds in order to resurface an additional 47 miles which would get itself at the 55 and to keep current with current traffic drainage sidewalk, all the other costs you would need approximately $6.2 million at referring recurring revenue.

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Now if you look at the...

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At other folks, other than Brevard County, for the last 15 years, the county spent about 20% of its total transportation

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budget on maintenance. 80% has been dedicated to capacity expansions. As you can see, in comparison

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with the State of Florida, and the United States, we are significantly less than most anybody, either

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in the state of Florida or in the country.

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Before our county is a current budget shortfall,

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that's just for road maintenance and resurfacing

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is $6.2 million annually.

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Knowing that we've not kept up on a regular basis

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a year after year after year, with resurfacing,

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that leads us to a further challenge.

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And that's basically the maintenance backlog.

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There is a significant backlog of maintenance and resurfacing projects.

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Currently we have 283 miles of road or about 25-24 percent of the total inventory that

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require reconstruction.

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The total cost to address all of the backlog projects is estimated to be about $178 million.

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If you worked to address that backlog over a 15-year period, you would need about $12 million

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on a range of basis.

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This backlog has been going on for a long, long, long time.

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So you can't necessarily blame this particular commission or this administration or this

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department.

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We've heard presentations from most of the cities in the county, there are in similar situations

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sometimes better in a couple of times there are much worse than the counties.

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If you look at the state of Florida and the United States, as far as this particular

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maintenance backlog, you can see, the state of Florida is generally in pretty good condition

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where the 80% of the roads in good condition, the United States itself is about 60%.

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The annual budget shortfall to take care of this maintenance backlog over an kind of an arbitrary 15-year period is about $12 million.

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This backlog will continue to grow as more roads deteriorate beyond their life cycle, this 20-year life cycle.

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In addition to all the maintenance issues, one of the things that we looked at was a very, very long list of capacity issues.

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We received a multi-page list of road projects that is designated to address capacity issues.

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This includes expanding existing roadways to accommodate increased traffic, as well as new construction to support growing population.

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The list is very detailed, describes each of road segments and the costs associated with doing that.

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If you add up all the costs associated with this list of projects, the total is about $443 million.

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If we tried to address all of these needs over here again a 15-year period, you would need an additional $29.5 million each and every year in order to solve that particular problem.

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In order to summarize a little bit,

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$6.2 million annual is needed for maintenance and

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resurfacing of the additional 47 miles of roads each year.

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About 12 million is needed to address the maintenance backlog over this 15 year period.

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And about 30 million is an annual needed over this 15 year period to expand the existing

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roads and to build new ones to accommodate growth. That's over $700 million, needed over

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the next 15 years. That's not chump change. That's big money, big dollars. First and foremost,

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the committee urges you to prioritize transportation infrastructure projects in this order.

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First, we need to adequately fund the existing maintenance that we've got.

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We need to budget for resurfacing of 55 miles of roads each and every year.

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Second, we need to invest funds annually to address the maintenance backlog, which includes

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the reconstruction of about one fourth of the accounting inventory of roads.

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These two priorities would ensure that we're adequately taking care of what we've got here today.

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Finally, we need to ensure that we grow and prosper, and as a community we continue to invest in capacity building.

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The committee talked over what I just showed you. There was a lot of discussion, a lot of differing opinions.

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There was a lot of struggle as far as what we ought to present, what we ought to recommend,

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what it be accepted, what it be rejected.

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And basically what we did was that we came back to what you had asked us to do.

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And that was the basically review the needs.

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Take a look at ongoing road maintenance and capacity needs.

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And then basically provide you with a series of recommendations, both short-term and long-term

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that are sustainable, that would solve our capacity and our maintenance needs.

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We have come up with some recommendations, first recommendation.

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We need to maintain the existing $14 million that is appropriate for public works each and

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year. The maintenance decline will continue if that is done. The backlog of maintenance and

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capacity problems will increase. But in this particular case, the committee felt very,

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very strongly that if the new revenue sources became available, this base funding is critical

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and should not be reduced.

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Next recommendation.

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The auto-levy additional gas tax. This would

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raise about $7.8 million. Would require a supermajority vote of the board.

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This funding

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stream would be dedicated to maintenance.

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This particular option is probably the closest thing

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We thought of in the way of a user fee, and is the more you drive, the more you pay.

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And it's estimated that about 25% of the projected revenue from the additional gas tax would come from visitors and from tourists.

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The current maintenance budget and the gas tax revenue combined would be enough to address all of the recurring maintenance needs,

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including resurfacing 55 miles of road near a single year.

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But it would not address either the maintenance or capacity

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back law that we've developed over the years.

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Recommendation number three, we ought to collect impact fees.

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This would generate about 3.4 million.

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The board would have to allow the more Torrent to sunset at the end of the year

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and begin collecting impact fees as of the beginning of 2015.

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In a recent survey conducted by the Space Coast TPO,

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two out of three residents supported impact fees.

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Impact fees cannot be used for maintenance,

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and the capacity backlog would remain.

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These fees are specifically designed to help future growth pay for itself.

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We ask if we...

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I have a question. You said that two out of three people supported impact fees in that study.

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How many people supported the gas tax in that study?

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Well, no, I mean, he was fighting a point of the commission.

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The survey to we're going to finish the report, and then you can ask this question.

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I was just mentioned. Well, it is irrelevant because 82 percent of the population

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I just thought we should interject that.

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We can certainly address that.

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Okay, later.

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Anyway, what we do ask you to do is to work very, very closely.

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We have that.

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We list state and the building industry stakeholders in the county.

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Over the next few months, explore what you all feel is best practices

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in what they feel is best practices, and set aside appropriate impact fees that will support

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the capacity to expand your

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next recommendation.

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Support a half-cent transportation sales tax referendum.

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This would generate about $17.5 million annually.

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It would require a simple majority of the commission to put it on the ballot, and a simple

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majority of the voters to approve it.

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The sales tax would be collected for a period of 15 years, and all the funding in the

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cities and the county would be dedicated to transportation infrastructure, only nothing else

454
00:41:02,500 --> 00:41:13,800
through an analytical agreement process was also suggested that the gas tax, if that was

455
00:41:15,220 --> 00:41:24,640
The infrastructure sales taxes, the only revenue stream that begins to address maintenance,

456
00:41:25,860 --> 00:41:31,060
backlog, and capacity needs identified by the county and the cities.

457
00:41:35,940 --> 00:41:37,820
Let's do a little summary here.

458
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:45,260
If you all adopted all of these recommendations, maintaining the current budget within the

459
00:41:45,260 --> 00:41:55,340
works, adding the additional gas tax collecting impact fees, and if the sales tax referendum

460
00:41:55,340 --> 00:42:02,880
was approved, you would have a funding solution for about 70 percent of the problem.

461
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:12,320
70 percent of the total maintenance and capacity needs of the county would be met.

462
00:42:15,940 --> 00:42:23,920
summarized a little bit again. Spread over 15 years, the total annual transportation infrastructure

463
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:32,120
funding need is about 61 and a half million dollars per year. This includes routine and regular

464
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:42,180
maintenance, resurfacing of 55 miles of county roads every single year. Reconstructing 283 miles

465
00:42:42,180 --> 00:42:50,840
of failing roads and addressing the currently identified maintenance and capacity backlogs.

466
00:42:51,500 --> 00:42:58,880
The annual revenue projected from all sources recommended by the committee is about $43 million.

467
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:04,100
And that's about 70% of the final

468
00:43:09,410 --> 00:43:10,010
chart.

469
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,740
You guys got a rough road ahead of it.

470
00:43:15,740 --> 00:43:19,360
There are some big decisions to be made here.

471
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:25,500
There's a lot of factors to be weighed, there's a lot of money involved here.

472
00:43:27,930 --> 00:43:30,090
I do not envy you, your position.

473
00:43:33,700 --> 00:43:38,180
I did want to say thank you for the opportunity to take and serve this community once again.

474
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:44,880
I do know that some of our members did want to speak here this evening.

475
00:43:45,700 --> 00:43:50,860
Talk to you a little bit about what we've done, what the recommendations are, and to provide

476
00:43:50,860 --> 00:43:58,760
additional information and I would like to have those folks come up and talk to you one at a

477
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:06,860
time. I'd like to ask Mr. Willy Vice Chairman of the Committee to take them come up and talk to you

478
00:44:06,860 --> 00:44:13,640
for a few minutes. Sir, I agree. Yes, we will have them come forward. Let's go ahead and answer

479
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,820
Commissioner of Attini's question, and then we'll proceed.

480
00:44:17,720 --> 00:44:18,400
Her light is up.

481
00:44:18,820 --> 00:44:20,780
Thank you.

482
00:44:21,300 --> 00:44:27,000
Last year, a survey was taken by our Transportation Planning Organization.

483
00:44:27,700 --> 00:44:34,720
And there was a very nice analysis performed to determine the support or lack

484
00:44:34,720 --> 00:44:36,200
thereof for new taxes.

485
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:38,080
And out of the people survey,

486
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,620
78% said they wanted us to find

487
00:44:43,620 --> 00:44:46,380
road improvements out of existing funds.

488
00:44:48,790 --> 00:44:51,510
Now, if you weren't going to impose the tax, it's

489
00:44:51,510 --> 00:44:56,370
true. Two-thirds said if you're going to impose the tax, they'd like it to be impact fees.

490
00:44:57,970 --> 00:44:59,830
Out of sales tax, it was split.

491
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:29,960
49 to 49% said charge sales tax don't charge sales tax. Property tax increase, 66% were against having a property tax increase. And for the gas tax, 82% were against having a gas tax. So when we present information, I wanted to make sure in the interest of full disclosure. You didn't just see the one statistic that was reported that two thirds wanted impact fees, but rather 78% requested.

492
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:33,660
that we not raise any taxes at all.

493
00:45:33,900 --> 00:45:34,440
Thank you.

494
00:45:34,860 --> 00:45:37,060
Who would you like to have come forward to speak, sir?

495
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:38,440
Mr. Willow.

496
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:39,960
Mr. Willow.

497
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:41,200
Mr. Bob Willow.

498
00:45:51,150 --> 00:45:51,790
Good evening, sir.

499
00:45:52,770 --> 00:45:54,010
Good evening, Madam Chairman.

500
00:45:55,490 --> 00:45:57,610
And commissioners, my name's Bob Willow.

501
00:45:58,310 --> 00:46:03,470
I was appointed to represent the home builders and contractors

502
00:46:03,470 --> 00:46:11,750
Association of Brevard to this Blue Ribbon Committee and I did it gladly, even though we

503
00:46:11,750 --> 00:46:14,290
just spend our last evening on both our birthdays.

504
00:46:18,670 --> 00:46:24,250
As most of you know, I've spent a lot of time being involved in transportation issues.

505
00:46:24,310 --> 00:46:30,110
So I thought I knew a lot before I went into this and learned that I didn't.

506
00:46:30,110 --> 00:46:42,690
As you know, there are many different pots that are restricted as far as your ability to do things in transportation, particularly.

507
00:46:43,670 --> 00:46:53,390
What I think we all came out of this learning was that you created this committee because you recognized the need.

508
00:46:53,390 --> 00:47:08,050
I mean, this isn't something that was just to pass off, I mean, this is a serious effort to address a backlog, a backlog of transportation needs that's been going on for decades.

509
00:47:09,490 --> 00:47:18,050
I will try to restrict my comments to being part of this committee, although I do represent the home builders.

510
00:47:18,050 --> 00:47:30,570
I may go off script here a long way, I apologize, but I do have my own personal point of view as well, and I'd like to take that opportunity to share that with you.

511
00:47:31,310 --> 00:47:39,130
But as the Chairman referenced, I also was tasked to share the subcommittee that wrote this report.

512
00:47:39,130 --> 00:47:45,510
And I'd like to acknowledge there's some committee members, Dana Kilburn, I don't know.

513
00:47:46,010 --> 00:47:51,770
Dana's here or not, she was from the banking community, and that Dr. Jack Schleck-Bier,

514
00:47:52,470 --> 00:48:01,830
who was former city of Melbourne manager and representing the Economic Development Commission.

515
00:48:02,750 --> 00:48:09,970
And then also Dr. Michael Slackin from Florida Tech, who's an economics professor.

516
00:48:11,010 --> 00:48:21,810
So I felt somewhat out of place in that August group, but I will assure you that the time

517
00:48:21,810 --> 00:48:29,590
that we spent working on coming up with this report to submit to the major body was done

518
00:48:29,590 --> 00:48:39,010
with great deliberation, a lot of discussion, and I stand behind it. Although my organization

519
00:48:39,010 --> 00:48:44,630
will not support the impact the recommendation. I felt it was appropriate to bring

520
00:48:44,630 --> 00:48:52,390
it forward to you with that because as we went through and that's why reference the buckets

521
00:48:52,390 --> 00:48:59,110
of funds, impact these have their restrictions, severe restrictions. We believe, and you'll

522
00:48:59,110 --> 00:49:05,690
hear more about that, that don't really address maintenance, which I think every member of the

523
00:49:05,690 --> 00:49:13,290
committee recognized was the number one. We have sufficiently not taken care of maintaining

524
00:49:13,290 --> 00:49:19,570
what is a core function of government, and that is maintaining the roads that are owned by the

525
00:49:19,570 --> 00:49:23,070
So, with that,

526
00:49:25,150 --> 00:49:26,470
we submitted the report.

527
00:49:26,710 --> 00:49:29,810
We had a vote on impact fees.

528
00:49:30,390 --> 00:49:39,850
We were voted down, and so there's a 15-1 in favor report in front of you today with those recommendations.

529
00:49:40,590 --> 00:49:46,630
And I voted in favor of that, and I feel the stairs, and maybe a few arrows, you know,

530
00:49:46,630 --> 00:50:02,650
back, but I say that, because in the bigger picture, we have to advance all of the options

531
00:50:02,650 --> 00:50:03,490
to you.

532
00:50:03,510 --> 00:50:10,830
I think the Chairman finished his remarks with, ultimately, the buck stops with y'all.

533
00:50:11,510 --> 00:50:15,670
We can only recommend, we can only review and learn as best we can.

534
00:50:15,670 --> 00:50:19,890
what are available funding options out there?

535
00:50:20,490 --> 00:50:25,370
And the first is certainly work within your own budget, you know, you have a budget.

536
00:50:26,190 --> 00:50:33,570
I was shocked, frankly, to learn some of his historic lack of funding that has aided

537
00:50:33,570 --> 00:50:39,930
getting us here is clear that from the graphs that you look, there's been attempts to

538
00:50:39,930 --> 00:50:44,270
improve that, but it's clear we're still not keeping up with it.

539
00:50:44,270 --> 00:50:52,290
only resurfacing eight miles a year, that's not enough with a system as large as

540
00:50:52,290 --> 00:51:02,470
others. So something has to be done. And so that, again, I'm very pleased with being able

541
00:51:02,470 --> 00:51:12,330
to come before you support all of those recommendations as consideration, because the impact

542
00:51:14,130 --> 00:51:23,190
item number three and the list of four did actually have, you know, an effort to remove that.

543
00:51:23,550 --> 00:51:28,670
I would feel it's appropriate to, you know, to draw that, you know, point to your attention.

544
00:51:29,870 --> 00:51:38,170
And for your consideration, as you discussed this, potentially consider creating some kind of a working

545
00:51:38,170 --> 00:51:46,570
group with the workshop that would allow greater deliberation into, and the report references

546
00:51:46,570 --> 00:51:47,090
that.

547
00:51:47,130 --> 00:51:55,030
It does recognize that there is more that can be done with engaging the real state and

548
00:51:55,030 --> 00:52:02,950
real-der groups that are most interested in parties in this to deliberate that on further.

549
00:52:02,950 --> 00:52:13,510
So, with that, I thank you very much for being willing to bring this up and put it out there in the public venue.

550
00:52:13,550 --> 00:52:23,690
It's not easy. I understand. But it is, again, your job, you know, it's a core responsibility of government to maintain.

551
00:52:24,130 --> 00:52:29,290
It's easy to cut the ribbons for new stuff.

552
00:52:29,290 --> 00:52:38,130
But, quite frankly, what I've learned is folks never ask what's the operation and maintenance

553
00:52:38,130 --> 00:52:47,950
going to be after we've taken on this new facility or whatever and that's what's happened here.

554
00:52:48,010 --> 00:52:49,710
We are not taking care of that.

555
00:52:50,430 --> 00:52:57,710
So again, I look forward to working with you a few choose and if you choose to disband us,

556
00:52:58,690 --> 00:53:03,250
That's just fine too, so I thank you very much for your time.

557
00:53:03,590 --> 00:53:03,930
Thank you, sir.

558
00:53:05,370 --> 00:53:10,370
Chairman, is there another person that wanted to speak on to your group?

559
00:53:17,930 --> 00:53:18,190
Good evening.

560
00:53:18,850 --> 00:53:19,150
Good evening.

561
00:53:20,210 --> 00:53:26,410
First, I'd like to thank the Board for the appointments in particular for my name.

562
00:53:26,410 --> 00:53:32,270
I enjoyed serving on the task force, and as you've already heard from the chair in the last

563
00:53:32,270 --> 00:53:38,970
We met a number of times, they were all noticed meetings, they occurred in Florida, in the sunshine.

564
00:53:39,790 --> 00:53:42,990
We didn't have too many speakers, we didn't have too many interested public.

565
00:53:43,710 --> 00:53:49,450
It's a perplexing problem because of all the various funding sources, all of the constraints.

566
00:53:50,250 --> 00:53:54,950
And the biggest part of the problem is the inordinate need.

567
00:53:55,550 --> 00:54:00,090
And I think that that is something that the public has no idea.

568
00:54:00,090 --> 00:54:27,650
When the people of this committee looked at this and they were told that every year you're putting off 30-40 miles of roads that need action, need attention now and by attending to them now if you would only do that you could do it for $80,000 a mile but by not attending to them you triple the cost.

569
00:54:27,650 --> 00:54:34,710
Those are numbers that the public ought to be clamoring and stammering and jumping up and down

570
00:54:34,710 --> 00:54:42,250
on the table about the lost opportunity cost of saving money in the future because it's

571
00:54:42,250 --> 00:54:45,110
a tremendous burden, a tremendous problem.

572
00:54:46,070 --> 00:54:49,290
I'm not here to duplicate replicator, be redundant.

573
00:54:49,550 --> 00:54:57,630
I think we had excellent leadership in the chair of our committee and the vice chair of

574
00:54:57,630 --> 00:55:06,590
subcommittee. We spent a lot of time. I think we got great conclusions. I do wish that two

575
00:55:06,590 --> 00:55:14,790
things that you could do to actually puts in me. I know that in the report there were identified

576
00:55:14,790 --> 00:55:20,390
the various organizations that contributed people or contributed representation to this

577
00:55:20,390 --> 00:55:26,930
Lou Ribbon Task Force, indeed, was county-wide and encompassed a huge amount of interests of not

578
00:55:26,930 --> 00:55:31,430
all of them consistent interests. They were conflicting. We talked about a lot of things,

579
00:55:31,670 --> 00:55:37,630
and we agreed to disagree and so on. But I think that sometimes when people spend their

580
00:55:37,630 --> 00:55:43,730
time such as this for the betterment and for the cause, it might be beneficial for the public

581
00:55:43,730 --> 00:55:50,370
to know the names associated with this Lou Ribbon Task Force not just the organization, but

582
00:55:50,370 --> 00:55:57,230
people's names who they are. So if somebody wants to ask, why did you do that? Gee, you

583
00:55:57,230 --> 00:56:03,370
know, you'd have names here that you can say, hey, these 18 or 19 people told me after they

584
00:56:03,370 --> 00:56:08,370
looked at it in depth, which is what you asked us to do. So I would ask that you incorporate

585
00:56:08,370 --> 00:56:14,750
the names in the report somehow. And secondly, I want to bring to the board's attention

586
00:56:14,750 --> 00:56:23,770
one other thing that, as a part of the recommendations, and this, I think, had some element

587
00:56:23,770 --> 00:56:32,330
of daring to it, someone says, well, why would you recommend the board do a gas tax?

588
00:56:33,370 --> 00:56:39,130
And the reason is, it's a sort of a rule of parsimony and a rule of efficiency and effectiveness

589
00:56:39,130 --> 00:56:49,730
because you can. Because you can, that authority rests with the board. It is true that

590
00:56:49,730 --> 00:56:55,270
is a supermajority of the board that would be required to do that. But related to that

591
00:56:55,270 --> 00:57:02,530
idea that you can do that, you can do impact fees. And we understand there's a difference

592
00:57:02,530 --> 00:57:07,770
of opinion and you will resolve that what level if any impact fees will be part of the

593
00:57:07,770 --> 00:57:15,050
package, that was not for the board to resolve, but related to this, if you chose to pass

594
00:57:15,050 --> 00:57:24,650
along a referendum at which the voters could act, and they may or may not, but they could,

595
00:57:25,190 --> 00:57:32,790
we asked you as a part of our recommendations to sweeten the pot for them. In other words, hold

596
00:57:32,790 --> 00:57:40,230
the gas tax, if you were going to adopt one because you can, hold that off to the side

597
00:57:40,230 --> 00:57:46,850
during any time where the sales tax is in place. So they're not getting the double whammy on

598
00:57:46,850 --> 00:57:58,170
that. It was a decided strategy to engage the voters with an interesting idea that the sales tax

599
00:57:58,170 --> 00:58:06,990
is the best long-term answer, but because you can, please do accept that portion of the recommendation

600
00:58:06,990 --> 00:58:08,770
relating to the gas tax.

601
00:58:09,130 --> 00:58:10,230
Thank you again.

602
00:58:10,470 --> 00:58:11,590
Thank you, sir.

603
00:58:12,810 --> 00:58:13,470
Mr. Chair.

604
00:58:20,410 --> 00:58:21,350
A vodka couple of each.

605
00:58:21,670 --> 00:58:23,270
I was a tourism representative.

606
00:58:25,190 --> 00:58:27,710
I had a whole bunch of mixed feelings on this board.

607
00:58:27,710 --> 00:58:48,950
First of all, I participated in the poor poll, and I sit on the CAC, TAC, and I sat through some of the early workshops, and the, so first of all, the first poll I wanted to tell you about is it was 100% everybody wanted that meeting, not wanting to raise any tax.

608
00:58:48,950 --> 00:58:53,410
There was nobody in that committee that wanted to raise the tax.

609
00:58:55,350 --> 00:59:00,810
And some of these taxes were more repundit than the other taxes, and there was a fairness

610
00:59:00,810 --> 00:59:01,370
issue.

611
00:59:02,070 --> 00:59:04,110
And we did it really to not get into that.

612
00:59:04,610 --> 00:59:15,570
The need was so great to do something here because roads affect economics of the county.

613
00:59:16,570 --> 00:59:18,370
You can't have a vibrant community.

614
00:59:18,370 --> 00:59:32,630
You can't have good property values without good roads, okay, and so this county has been in a pretty good recession now for six or eight years

615
00:59:32,630 --> 00:59:37,730
We're starting to come out of it and I live on the barrier round, okay

616
00:59:38,430 --> 00:59:46,550
97% of the barrier rounds build out where I live so the impact fees to me are really repunit because I pay high property values

617
00:59:47,550 --> 00:59:50,210
I voted for the impact fees.

618
00:59:51,290 --> 00:59:51,390
Why?

619
00:59:51,910 --> 00:59:53,770
The need is so great.

620
00:59:55,350 --> 00:59:57,190
And the inequities of this county

621
00:59:57,190 --> 00:59:59,970
is the barrier to balance produce tons of...

622
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:28,180
Taxes. And the road money is going in other areas. But we are one county. And so if we're going to continue, and you're going to cure your budget problem, and that is a vibrant business economic community here, you can't do it by ignoring the fact that your house is running, falling down. And your house here is your infrastructure on the roads.

623
01:00:28,180 --> 01:00:41,340
Okay, so bottom line, if we're all fiscal conservative and everybody in this political arena, we're all fiscal conservative and I know I practice it.

624
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:54,660
It's cheaper to solve the problem now than later, so if you don't maintain your house and you don't know the yard and you're going to lose the asset and you're going to disappear and you're cost to fix that up.

625
01:00:54,660 --> 01:01:02,000
going to be threefold or greater longer you awake the more cost you. So no way likes increase taxes.

626
01:01:03,020 --> 01:01:08,460
I can tell you I pay a lot of taxes. I hate them. Okay. I was against it.

627
01:01:09,660 --> 01:01:13,420
But you don't have a choice. We've got to do something here to fix the problem. Thank you.

628
01:01:13,980 --> 01:01:14,820
Thank you sir.

629
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:25,000
If you had filled out a I think kind of pulling your

630
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:30,260
name as we got. Can I just real quick on as a committee I'd like to come up

631
01:01:30,260 --> 01:01:32,220
from a real estate perspective, okay?

632
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:36,660
You guys know who the single of the center was on this 15 to one vote, right?

633
01:01:36,860 --> 01:01:37,960
It was me.

634
01:01:38,460 --> 01:01:41,000
But probably for not why the reasons you think.

635
01:01:41,260 --> 01:01:44,800
My biggest issue being a part of this committee, I agree, roads need to be repaired.

636
01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:45,920
They need to be built.

637
01:01:46,540 --> 01:01:53,620
However, I strongly disagree with the $443 million wish list that this funding is intended

638
01:01:53,620 --> 01:01:55,060
to serve.

639
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:57,220
I don't have it in front of me.

640
01:01:57,220 --> 01:01:58,080
I'm sure you have it.

641
01:01:58,080 --> 01:02:03,800
I'll give you an example, the post-road flyover of I-95 for $11 million dollars.

642
01:02:04,300 --> 01:02:08,740
I don't see that as being a need now, I don't see that as being a need in 20 years.

643
01:02:09,260 --> 01:02:15,380
So I think this group had the opportunity to vet that list and see what was really necessary

644
01:02:15,380 --> 01:02:19,420
and what might be necessary to be more comfortable with it.

645
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:24,300
I also understand there's a bridge in District 2 that's there mark for replacement that

646
01:02:24,300 --> 01:02:25,540
was just graded in A.

647
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:29,820
So, that's my issue and that's why I voted no against all of them.

648
01:02:30,060 --> 01:02:30,800
Thank you.

649
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:45,360
Just a couple of parting thoughts.

650
01:02:46,220 --> 01:02:52,060
This particular problem can be solved with two things, time and money,

651
01:02:54,260 --> 01:02:54,920
and as far as

652
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:58,700
I'm concerned, it's either pay me now or pay me a lot more later.

653
01:02:59,460 --> 01:03:02,460
And that's my parting advice to you all.

654
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:03,440
Thank you very much.

655
01:03:04,580 --> 01:03:09,260
Mr. Schultz, we want to thank you on behalf of the Commission for putting this group.

656
01:03:09,260 --> 01:03:15,720
and guiding them through this very active process.

657
01:03:16,460 --> 01:03:19,960
I thank you and I applaud everyone who has been able to support us.

658
01:03:20,140 --> 01:03:25,680
I will say that we knew the commissioners knew that we had a problem,

659
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:30,540
and we had an option that they put our head in the sand or to stand up,

660
01:03:30,740 --> 01:03:34,080
take ownership of this and ask for help, and that's what we did.

661
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:36,940
And I thank you very much for helping us.

662
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:43,840
I do have cards before us, is there any discussion with the commissioner's before I move to the cards?

663
01:03:45,340 --> 01:03:45,820
Commissioner Nelson.

664
01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:52,240
I think it would be helpful to have the discussion because it may change the nature of what gets discussed later.

665
01:03:53,620 --> 01:03:59,380
When we first decided to do the we're having committee, I didn't have a problem talking about the issue.

666
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:02,740
I was not convinced that it was a good time to do this.

667
01:04:02,780 --> 01:04:04,420
We're just coming out of a bad economy.

668
01:04:06,220 --> 01:04:13,060
I think you have to plan and have that discussion so that you can prepare yourself or whatever is going to happen next.

669
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:19,540
I want to thank the committee because I think we give you a mission impossible because we said you've got all these problems.

670
01:04:19,780 --> 01:04:23,600
You've got to find the money and nobody's going to like the way you do that.

671
01:04:24,940 --> 01:04:26,920
And so don't shoot the messenger.

672
01:04:27,020 --> 01:04:28,860
I think they did a remarkable job.

673
01:04:28,860 --> 01:04:34,960
identify what the possible solutions are and ultimately it comes down to how this commission

674
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:38,980
and future commission's deal with a, you know, Larry and committee, thank you so much.

675
01:04:39,820 --> 01:04:42,520
I think you did a great job given the circumstances.

676
01:04:43,820 --> 01:04:50,960
I also think the devil is in the detail as a Tim Harveston, and I'm one who has some significant

677
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:59,580
concerns with the list of projects and done some analysis of it, and I realized their mission

678
01:04:59,580 --> 01:05:04,700
wasn't to do that. I think we may have let them down, because I think when we first

679
01:05:04,700 --> 01:05:09,480
talked, I had wanted to come up with a list, which we gave them for funding purposes, and

680
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:13,400
we didn't do that. We just said, okay, we've got some big road problems.

681
01:05:15,620 --> 01:05:16,300
One of the things

682
01:05:16,300 --> 01:05:21,500
that Tim was talking about, I had my staff to a chart.

683
01:05:22,780 --> 01:05:25,920
We're a big, wonderful county, but we're a big county.

684
01:05:27,100 --> 01:05:31,000
And the needs are different in each part of the county.

685
01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:33,620
And I'm going to pass this out to Board members.

686
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:38,660
And maybe Fisher, Fisher, if you would hold that so our camera,

687
01:05:38,900 --> 01:05:41,680
it's space code television to get a copy of this.

688
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:48,980
This is the chart, and I'm going to hold it up, this is the percentage of capacity

689
01:05:48,980 --> 01:05:57,140
needs in the county, and these two big numbers here are county commission districts 3 and 5.

690
01:05:57,440 --> 01:05:59,980
There's no question there are some road issues in South County.

691
01:06:00,740 --> 01:06:06,080
The little one down here is county commission district too, and the problem is this is that

692
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:11,100
you're going to be asking the citizens of Bervard County, we all represent about 20%

693
01:06:11,100 --> 01:06:18,780
citizens to fund this. And on the list of the committee was looking at, my 20% have

694
01:06:18,780 --> 01:06:24,380
7% of the projects. So we are going to be at a huge deficit.

695
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:28,720
And for this to be successful,

696
01:06:29,060 --> 01:06:33,440
there's got to be a balance between the maintenance. I appreciate the fact that you guys won't

697
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:40,060
maintenance. I would like to say that we have in District 2 resurfaced about 80 miles

698
01:06:40,060 --> 01:06:45,060
road in the last three years. Commissioner Fisher, I think you're over 100 now, and

699
01:06:45,060 --> 01:06:50,580
hopefully by the end of the summer I will have hit that 100 mark. And we did that by the

700
01:06:50,580 --> 01:06:55,420
allocations that the board gave us and how we spent them. But it's got to be that balance

701
01:06:55,420 --> 01:07:00,520
to be fair. And right now we don't have a list that I see as being fair in doing that.

702
01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:04,780
because you've got to balance capacity with maintenance.

703
01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:08,740
And there are some projects in there, for instance.

704
01:07:08,980 --> 01:07:15,120
Vapcock Road is a big ticket item, it's the widening of it.

705
01:07:15,220 --> 01:07:18,200
Typically, that would be a developers' responsibility to do that.

706
01:07:18,580 --> 01:07:22,000
Not county governments to build a growth cord, or for that,

707
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:25,800
because if you take Viera, Viera gets an impact fee credits.

708
01:07:27,020 --> 01:07:30,000
They would pay those impact fees, but instead they build the infrastructure,

709
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:32,340
and we don't charge them for that.

710
01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:35,080
And so as a result of that, they do the flyovers,

711
01:07:35,340 --> 01:07:38,800
they do all the roads, they do the widening of Wickham,

712
01:07:38,980 --> 01:07:40,920
they're paying for all those things out of their pocket

713
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:42,300
because of impact fees.

714
01:07:43,780 --> 01:07:47,240
What kills us are the little, I say little,

715
01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:49,860
the 100 units subdivision, where we now have to somehow

716
01:07:49,860 --> 01:07:51,420
widen roads, but we don't have the money.

717
01:07:52,380 --> 01:07:55,880
And what struck me from, we first weighed the impact fees,

718
01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:59,780
And that was back in 2007,

719
01:08:00,260 --> 01:08:06,340
whenever that was, we gave Sam's Club back almost $800,000

720
01:08:06,340 --> 01:08:07,680
for a building that was finished.

721
01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:11,980
And the result of that was, was that to do an intersection

722
01:08:11,980 --> 01:08:14,460
improvement, a cox road, and 520,

723
01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:19,040
I had to take county dollars in the amount of over $500,000

724
01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:20,500
to offset that.

725
01:08:20,500 --> 01:08:29,140
So, I lost, you know, probably 30 miles of road to that could have been resurfaced because we didn't have the impact fees.

726
01:08:31,020 --> 01:08:34,400
I believe in impact fees, but I also think there's some problems.

727
01:08:35,180 --> 01:08:41,680
When a fast food facility, when the impact fees cost more than the fast food facility, there's a problem there.

728
01:08:41,780 --> 01:08:43,360
And we need to address that.

729
01:08:44,620 --> 01:08:49,760
So the study is being done, I don't think this board's going to make a decision on impact fees

730
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:54,740
until that study is done and looked at, I don't even believe I'll be on the board at that time

731
01:08:54,740 --> 01:08:57,420
because by the time it gets here, I think it'll be after November anyway.

732
01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:00,300
So I don't see that happening before the end of the year.

733
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:03,400
So as we talk about impact fees, why support them?

734
01:09:03,460 --> 01:09:04,880
I think they need to be fair and equitable.

735
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:10,160
I think in terms of our road projects, if you really are going to start talking about sales

736
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:17,420
tax or talking about the gas taxes, I think there has to be a list.

737
01:09:17,460 --> 01:09:23,260
If you don't have a list, why in a world with any of us want to do that, that's the

738
01:09:23,260 --> 01:09:30,080
trust to me answer, and I think there's got to be a legitimate list, and for those in my

739
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:34,620
district we've got a lot of waterfront properties, and we are seeing failing pipes, so our

740
01:09:34,620 --> 01:09:35,360
needs are different.

741
01:09:35,360 --> 01:09:40,460
We're seeing a lot of piping between houses that are going to have to be replaced.

742
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:42,600
Those kinds of things.

743
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:49,440
So I think it was a good start, but I, certainly, I don't see that we as a board are

744
01:09:49,440 --> 01:09:54,280
going to be able to move forward on anything that can be placed on the ballot, because looking

745
01:09:54,280 --> 01:10:00,760
at 7% of the projects and 20% of the requirement to pay for it, I couldn't tell anybody

746
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:05,940
my district to support that because that's such a huge leap of faith, it's just not fair.

747
01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:10,320
And I think we've got to come up with a fair list. So that's where I am, one at this point

748
01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:11,840
time, I'd like to hear what the rest of the board wants to do.

749
01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:17,880
Yeah, I do have Commissioner Fischer followed by Commissioner Anderson, Commissioner Anderson. Please proceed.

750
01:10:19,100 --> 01:10:25,260
The need is to hear me. The I agree with a lot when you say it as far as the maintenance

751
01:10:25,260 --> 01:10:31,100
versus the capacity needs, and we've always gotten into that issue that they

752
01:10:31,100 --> 01:10:35,900
shouldn't really, the burning pads that should be complementary on each other.

753
01:10:36,500 --> 01:10:39,580
But one of the things that this report didn't point out and it kind of goes over

754
01:10:39,580 --> 01:10:43,720
your saying that nobody can make a decision, some of those capacity need

755
01:10:44,220 --> 01:10:48,460
dollars, our levers are getting more dollars than our own state dollars, and I

756
01:10:48,460 --> 01:10:53,740
don't think that was enclosed dollars from never part of the study, correct?

757
01:10:54,840 --> 01:11:02,520
You see a figure they put in there about how much we need for capacity, is that also figuring

758
01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:09,220
in the matching dollars we get from federal and state, for instance, as we know, the heritage

759
01:11:09,220 --> 01:11:14,180
parkway has leveraged a lot of money with the money in the bank to build that road from federal

760
01:11:14,180 --> 01:11:15,200
and state sources.

761
01:11:16,420 --> 01:11:17,660
The follow-around bill?

762
01:11:17,660 --> 01:11:30,080
I believe so. The project list there and the estimates that go with those are unfunded amounts.

763
01:11:30,660 --> 01:11:40,640
There's no leveraging money associated with them and there's no grants or earmarks or anything of that sort to help fund those at this point in time.

764
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:47,980
They can be generated, but ordinarily you've got to have the studies done, perhaps designs

765
01:11:47,980 --> 01:11:52,180
done, sometimes even right of way acquired before you can get some of those grants.

766
01:11:52,820 --> 01:11:58,560
So you have to get at least part way into those projects before you can start hoping for those

767
01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:05,260
types of sort of revenue streams that would come in to help you accomplish the task at hand.

768
01:12:05,260 --> 01:12:13,500
So there is no funds, all the funded projects, there are no funded projects that are on that list.

769
01:12:14,380 --> 01:12:18,460
Whether we built it yet or not, if it's a funded project, it wasn't included on that list.

770
01:12:19,240 --> 01:12:21,820
So there's all the funds that we currently have.

771
01:12:23,060 --> 01:12:27,160
They are excluded from any of these lists that you've seen.

772
01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:36,040
So, on the fun of us, or the on the fun of a basketball, as it does not include things that may be in the worse off matching money.

773
01:12:37,540 --> 01:12:42,520
Right, there's, well, there's no local funds identified to match or to even put there.

774
01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:45,980
So, unless you generate some revenue to match, you don't have-

775
01:12:45,980 --> 01:12:48,960
In the last thing, I'll say the board and this came up, I think, in 2000.

776
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:54,080
I wonder when we did that transportation workshop originally, I think it was 2009, 2010.

777
01:12:57,320 --> 01:13:05,440
You know, it was a real hard decision for any board, but you have roads that throughout

778
01:13:05,440 --> 01:13:11,480
the county, and that need maintenance, repair, and upgrades, some of which basis failing

779
01:13:11,480 --> 01:13:14,620
on them, and they need to be repaired now and went through this number side.

780
01:13:14,620 --> 01:13:21,200
So, whenever we do those reports and I know it gets kind of awkward when you, you know,

781
01:13:21,320 --> 01:13:24,560
I've been a big proponent to say, hey, I want to see every road based on engineering

782
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:29,420
analysis and traffic counts, you know, what's our most important priority?

783
01:13:30,660 --> 01:13:32,800
Well, that's the way to do it in my understanding.

784
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:37,420
There's concerns on the other side that if I'm on the five houses on a family road, why do

785
01:13:37,420 --> 01:13:39,380
I get left out because I didn't make that list?

786
01:13:39,500 --> 01:13:42,540
But we still have to match those up somehow.

787
01:13:42,540 --> 01:13:45,720
You know, I've been, John knows it's on a big repellent

788
01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:48,440
of taking the engineering analysis and finding out

789
01:13:48,440 --> 01:13:52,840
what propositional roads are needed to be done for it.

790
01:13:53,380 --> 01:13:54,580
So, and we can't always do that,

791
01:13:54,580 --> 01:13:55,700
because we have five different districts,

792
01:13:56,040 --> 01:13:58,420
and we represent five different groups of people,

793
01:13:59,400 --> 01:14:01,480
and my rank higher, but you may need your road down,

794
01:14:01,480 --> 01:14:04,580
and it just becomes just the system's top to work within it.

795
01:14:04,820 --> 01:14:06,760
So, but I think the committee for all the work they did.

796
01:14:07,900 --> 01:14:12,180
I want to really thank the committee and all the work that you did.

797
01:14:12,180 --> 01:14:19,920
I, um, is this subject being gone for the last couple of weeks, I, I, it was a, it was

798
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:27,060
amazing to me that some of the people that was on this committee that I know are very conservative

799
01:14:27,060 --> 01:14:31,780
as I actually come into this board asking them raise taxes.

800
01:14:32,500 --> 01:14:37,860
And I just, I mean, I was shocked by it because it's not typically what you see out of

801
01:14:40,100 --> 01:14:46,160
people that I think it was on that community and then I got a concern because I think

802
01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:51,620
about the eight and nine months that they spent really looking at this issue and they

803
01:14:51,620 --> 01:14:57,380
looked at it beyond the switching probably in more detail than we have looked at it and

804
01:14:57,380 --> 01:14:59,520
And the reason that the committee get formed.

805
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:08,300
Well, it's because nine months ago, a year ago, whatever we were here, and we were talking about more

806
01:15:08,300 --> 01:15:13,500
torrential impact fees, and I think I'm the one that said, you know what, we're going to kick the

807
01:15:13,500 --> 01:15:16,580
can down the road and keep the more torrential, man. But at some point in time, we're going

808
01:15:16,580 --> 01:15:22,460
to have to dress roads. And I think several people, I think Mr. Willie, the one I'm saying, we want

809
01:15:22,460 --> 01:15:26,160
to help you come up with a solution and find something. And when we put the blue ribbon committee

810
01:15:26,160 --> 01:15:32,200
together and form the committee and say okay, but the interesting thing to me about is

811
01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:38,220
once all the facts and figures get out in front of them and we can argue rather, you know,

812
01:15:38,260 --> 01:15:44,040
I'll argue rather I need four lane on dairy road from corporate to US one, you know, I like

813
01:15:44,040 --> 01:15:47,880
to have it repaid, but I don't know if I need four lane to sidewalks today, but it would be a nice

814
01:15:50,360 --> 01:15:55,240
So John, don't tell me you had plenty of food, I'm getting ready to take it off with this, but no.

815
01:15:58,680 --> 01:16:06,440
I'm going to be here, but we have to tell you a list, but what I don't want to do is

816
01:16:06,440 --> 01:16:13,140
know that a group of citizens took eight months of their time on their life to work on something

817
01:16:13,140 --> 01:16:14,500
And we ask them to work on them.

818
01:16:14,980 --> 01:16:18,100
And then we're going to just totally ignore their effort.

819
01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:21,060
Because if we are, I'm not sure if I've ever

820
01:16:21,060 --> 01:16:23,140
want to work on anything, but again, it's kind of

821
01:16:23,140 --> 01:16:25,380
commission is not going to at least look at it.

822
01:16:25,860 --> 01:16:30,160
So I don't think it's ready to, I think the impact

823
01:16:30,160 --> 01:16:31,120
fee more in Torim.

824
01:16:31,180 --> 01:16:35,280
It's already set to set in 12 or 31.

825
01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:41,440
I, from a personal standpoint, I think that,

826
01:16:41,440 --> 01:16:49,300
whether it's a new commission or if we do some workshops between there, I think it's a legitimate question and not whether or not once the list get tightened up.

827
01:16:49,400 --> 01:16:52,380
There's a make sense to go to the voters, maybe in 2016.

828
01:16:52,980 --> 01:17:03,020
I don't think you do it in 2014, you've got this school self tax, in school tax and all the things you don't want to do anything that could be difficult to get all of this past.

829
01:17:03,020 --> 01:17:05,580
But it could make some sense in 16 this board.

830
01:17:05,900 --> 01:17:09,540
If we can agree on a list, if we can agree on what the need is,

831
01:17:09,800 --> 01:17:15,340
that you have to vote in 16, is this something that they want to find or not?

832
01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:18,640
And this is a vote of decision at that point in time.

833
01:17:18,860 --> 01:17:24,260
But I don't want the committee to think that we didn't hear you

834
01:17:24,260 --> 01:17:27,060
and that we don't respect your work.

835
01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:30,660
And that you didn't spend eight months out there

836
01:17:30,660 --> 01:17:34,180
And this board is just saying, you know, we ain't going to pay attention to you.

837
01:17:34,240 --> 01:17:38,940
We just want to accept your report and forget you, because that's not where I'm at.

838
01:17:38,940 --> 01:17:42,900
Or I'm at, and I don't think the other commission further there either, but we do, it

839
01:17:42,900 --> 01:17:44,040
doesn't need to be tightened up a little bit.

840
01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:46,540
Commissioner Anderson followed by Commissioner Nelson.

841
01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:48,740
And that's something I agree.

842
01:17:49,020 --> 01:17:53,820
Commissioner Judge Straga would be asked those people who leave their families and their

843
01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:58,000
jobs and stuff for a long period of time to go to these meetings.

844
01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:06,180
One of the things that I thought about is taking their report and their recommendations and maybe,

845
01:18:06,860 --> 01:18:18,460
I mean, you know, three public sessions where, you know, I don't know, staff residents, sort of the chairmen and the Vice Chairman want to show up and advertise and have the public review what they reviewed.

846
01:18:18,460 --> 01:18:26,440
in a couple of hours period and explain what's there and at least the general public and if

847
01:18:26,440 --> 01:18:30,940
you dig into the balance 16, the informed voter would understand what was there.

848
01:18:31,680 --> 01:18:33,500
One more thing is going on.

849
01:18:33,900 --> 01:18:43,440
I do think that it is, they had the Simon of Rhodes, we get the Simon of everything that

850
01:18:43,440 --> 01:18:45,280
I was responsible for, for part of the libraries,

851
01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:48,740
to register, to, you know, mosquito control,

852
01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:50,760
and I can go on and on that we have,

853
01:18:50,820 --> 01:18:52,460
we have responsibility for.

854
01:18:52,780 --> 01:18:54,940
But it's funny that when, to me,

855
01:18:55,080 --> 01:18:57,440
it's interesting that when the facts got laid out,

856
01:18:59,100 --> 01:19:01,640
people who typically would have said no before the fact of there,

857
01:19:02,740 --> 01:19:04,700
coming up to us now and saying, you know what?

858
01:19:04,740 --> 01:19:05,760
I get it, you know?

859
01:19:06,040 --> 01:19:08,840
And that happens a lot when you really take time to study

860
01:19:08,840 --> 01:19:12,400
issue and study what this county's face with.

861
01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:19,600
I can tell you, you experienced it with on road, we experienced it on all just about every item that

862
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:24,220
counted for this board and when you see some of the decisions being made, it's because

863
01:19:24,220 --> 01:19:28,500
we did what you've done, we've understand issues and we've made some of those hard choices.

864
01:19:28,660 --> 01:19:33,240
And this is a hard choice, to anytime you start talking about tax people and doing things,

865
01:19:33,520 --> 01:19:35,000
it's a difficult one.

866
01:19:36,360 --> 01:19:42,380
So, Michelle Nelson, Bob, I think the challenge is, and I agree is actually, I was

867
01:19:42,380 --> 01:19:51,200
I was looking to give more work, but, you know, the challenge is on priorities is that if the board doesn't say what the priority listing is, it's almost impossible.

868
01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:59,920
A capacity road will always compete and maintenance if we don't say or put some criteria in there. We will always lose.

869
01:20:00,940 --> 01:20:05,040
And I think you cannot diminish the fairness question.

870
01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:11,220
You've got to come up with something that says that my need and my district, whether it's

871
01:20:11,220 --> 01:20:15,780
North or Florida, South or Florida is different from the other needs, but we have to address

872
01:20:15,780 --> 01:20:16,500
all of this.

873
01:20:17,420 --> 01:20:24,940
And so if we came up with a straight priority listing and it's not balanced, it will be inherently

874
01:20:24,940 --> 01:20:25,600
unfair.

875
01:20:27,420 --> 01:20:29,500
We've got the issue of how we fund ourselves.

876
01:20:30,780 --> 01:20:34,020
We split the money with cities, and you've heard me say this, and now that I've got a

877
01:20:34,020 --> 01:20:36,520
I don't want these guys to know it.

878
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:40,020
We get a share of that money based on unincorporated population.

879
01:20:40,740 --> 01:20:43,380
We bonded it and then we spent it inside cities.

880
01:20:44,200 --> 01:20:46,520
That's unfair to the unincorporated population.

881
01:20:47,280 --> 01:20:50,760
So we shouldn't, we've got to address that.

882
01:20:51,120 --> 01:20:55,180
We can't spend, you know, we've got to come up with a better way of funding those things.

883
01:20:55,520 --> 01:21:00,400
Now in my case, some of that bonded money went to Cape Canaveral, Coco Beach who then took

884
01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:01,900
the roads from us.

885
01:21:02,320 --> 01:21:03,460
Those are now city roads.

886
01:21:03,460 --> 01:21:05,880
They said, if you'll fix it up, we'll take the road.

887
01:21:06,380 --> 01:21:07,580
That doesn't happen a lot.

888
01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:11,040
And a lot of our capacity needs, Wickham Road,

889
01:21:11,420 --> 01:21:13,400
and some of those roads are because the city

890
01:21:13,400 --> 01:21:16,680
made growth decisions that created the capacity

891
01:21:16,680 --> 01:21:18,800
that we are now expected to fund.

892
01:21:19,420 --> 01:21:20,560
And that's an issue.

893
01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:24,440
So we've got to come up with a better, fairer way

894
01:21:24,440 --> 01:21:27,640
of identifying those, and that's a much tougher discussion

895
01:21:28,180 --> 01:21:30,900
than anything that we've seen so far.

896
01:21:30,900 --> 01:21:37,040
because it's just, there's this question of how we're going to get to that point.

897
01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:41,360
The difficulty is, you know, I call this the last one holding the grenade.

898
01:21:43,380 --> 01:21:48,760
You know, this has been a problem since I got here in 1990.

899
01:21:49,980 --> 01:21:56,820
There has been a really legitimate long term attempt to try resolve, but there have been

900
01:21:56,820 --> 01:22:02,560
starts and stops, but it's never been a long-term solution and at some point, some commission

901
01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:07,980
is going to have to do that. Our difficulty is, is that even during the boom times,

902
01:22:08,140 --> 01:22:12,620
we didn't address it. We're just coming out of the worst times we've seen, and probably

903
01:22:12,620 --> 01:22:18,980
our lifetime, and we're expected to address it. And I think that's bad because, as I said,

904
01:22:19,200 --> 01:22:23,360
in staff will tell you, when off-camera, when we first started talking about this, I said,

905
01:22:23,360 --> 01:22:26,420
I don't want to talk about this right now because the public's not ready.

906
01:22:26,720 --> 01:22:30,300
It's going to take gridlock to get the public ready to talk about it because that's where

907
01:22:30,300 --> 01:22:31,580
we were during the boom.

908
01:22:31,740 --> 01:22:37,780
During the boom when you were standing in line in Palm Bay for an hour to get home, suddenly

909
01:22:37,780 --> 01:22:38,860
roads were important.

910
01:22:40,420 --> 01:22:43,980
But during the downturn, it wasn't.

911
01:22:44,020 --> 01:22:45,940
People, because they weren't leaving home.

912
01:22:47,160 --> 01:22:50,940
So I guess we, you know, unfortunately we are great at reacting, we are terrible at acting.

913
01:22:50,940 --> 01:22:58,540
And so I just think that we've got some major issues that are subsets of what these guys have

914
01:22:58,540 --> 01:23:00,000
started that have to be addressed.

915
01:23:00,360 --> 01:23:04,140
There's got to be some recommendation on the question of city versus counties in terms

916
01:23:04,140 --> 01:23:07,460
of roads that go through cities and how we're going to deal with that.

917
01:23:08,060 --> 01:23:10,020
And I think we've got to address the issue.

918
01:23:11,220 --> 01:23:15,860
Why are we spending money based on a unincorporated population inside of cities?

919
01:23:17,260 --> 01:23:19,080
Yeah, Commissioner Inventini?

920
01:23:19,700 --> 01:23:21,300
Well, by Commissioner Fisher.

921
01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:27,480
It almost sounds like we're going to have a 5-0 vote tonight, and so I'm really sitting

922
01:23:27,480 --> 01:23:27,820
up here.

923
01:23:28,320 --> 01:23:29,120
Very, very happy.

924
01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:32,980
I'm very happy all of you all took the time to show up and come to our meeting.

925
01:23:33,620 --> 01:23:38,100
Tim, I'm extremely proud of you for being the one vote, not that I know what that feels

926
01:23:38,100 --> 01:23:44,860
like because I don't have a clue, but I'm very, I'm very proud of you, and I'm proud

927
01:23:44,860 --> 01:23:49,440
of the sport for listening to the people of Provard County.

928
01:23:49,800 --> 01:23:51,200
Thank you.

929
01:23:51,500 --> 01:23:52,180
Commissioner Fisher.

930
01:23:52,760 --> 01:23:58,580
No, I was just going to say, and then I didn't think we were kicking the can on a road,

931
01:23:58,660 --> 01:24:06,280
because I think this sport has been very active in trying to solve issues that have been difficult,

932
01:24:06,700 --> 01:24:07,620
sample, stormwater.

933
01:24:07,860 --> 01:24:13,000
For the night since 1990, I would ever know when one of the dresses, and we saw that we

934
01:24:14,100 --> 01:24:19,060
we're going to address that, and we adjusted our utility fees to do that. We are watered

935
01:24:19,060 --> 01:24:24,720
sewer lines, which were, you know, that got kicked out of the road for years and years

936
01:24:24,720 --> 01:24:30,920
and years and years and in this, you know, at least four of us agree that we needed to address

937
01:24:30,920 --> 01:24:37,360
that. So at some point in time, you know, I think part of it is a political ball to with

938
01:24:40,480 --> 01:24:51,400
Well, it's showing in the past that we will address some of the issues and I bet if we get some work shots and stuff, we'll come up with some solutions that have worked long time.

939
01:24:52,480 --> 01:24:54,600
Okay, Commissioner Nelson, then I'll do my comments.

940
01:24:55,720 --> 01:25:03,360
There's one thing, I really did not appreciate that Commissioner Fantini sent out an email presupposing how I felt about this issue.

941
01:25:03,360 --> 01:25:05,280
I think that is such a disservice.

942
01:25:07,420 --> 01:25:14,440
It forces us to respond to a position that we haven't even taken, and that's just not good

943
01:25:14,440 --> 01:25:14,780
government.

944
01:25:14,980 --> 01:25:16,860
It's unfair to us.

945
01:25:18,780 --> 01:25:22,280
Unless you violate the Sunshine Law, you don't know how I'm going to vote.

946
01:25:23,140 --> 01:25:28,020
So I would just ask, if you really want to have a good discussion, it should be in here.

947
01:25:28,020 --> 01:25:35,320
It shouldn't be inflammatory e-mails with misleading information about what the commission is going to do or has done.

948
01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:39,360
Could you tell me what was misleading because I happen to have a copy of the e-mail?

949
01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:40,880
With me and it says...

950
01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:41,640
Watch your wallet.

951
01:25:41,940 --> 01:25:42,440
That the commission?

952
01:25:42,580 --> 01:25:43,180
Yes, it does.

953
01:25:43,420 --> 01:25:44,240
Yeah, watch your wallet.

954
01:25:44,360 --> 01:25:44,940
Sorry, that's not it.

955
01:25:45,340 --> 01:25:50,220
Commissioners will be discussing additional tax funding ideas for you.

956
01:25:51,400 --> 01:25:51,640
I'm sorry.

957
01:25:51,820 --> 01:25:51,860
I'm sorry.

958
01:25:51,860 --> 01:25:53,620
How does it say you're going to have a report?

959
01:25:53,820 --> 01:25:55,600
You think you can just ask me in a minute.

960
01:25:55,600 --> 01:25:58,440
I'm not sure if I said your light is on for a minute.

961
01:25:58,520 --> 01:25:59,280
There were two things.

962
01:25:59,640 --> 01:26:01,620
You know, to start an email with watch your wallet

963
01:26:01,620 --> 01:26:03,340
and to finish it with Godzilla,

964
01:26:03,760 --> 01:26:04,900
I think it's just inappropriate.

965
01:26:05,340 --> 01:26:06,600
I just think it's unprofessional.

966
01:26:07,000 --> 01:26:09,680
I think that it's a discredit to you

967
01:26:09,680 --> 01:26:11,080
to do that to the board members

968
01:26:11,400 --> 01:26:13,640
and it doesn't lend to itself to go go by.

969
01:26:13,640 --> 01:26:15,640
So I would just ask that in the future

970
01:26:15,640 --> 01:26:17,660
just tell people that we're having a meeting.

971
01:26:17,700 --> 01:26:18,540
I'm okay with that.

972
01:26:18,540 --> 01:26:20,520
I don't mind having that discussion.

973
01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:23,880
I just think it's important that you not presuppose

974
01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:25,980
how this board is going to act.

975
01:26:26,920 --> 01:26:27,620
Commissioner Fontini.

976
01:26:29,240 --> 01:26:30,100
I read it carefully.

977
01:26:31,060 --> 01:26:33,000
I did not say we were voting on it.

978
01:26:33,200 --> 01:26:36,160
I said we were discussing additional tax funding ideas.

979
01:26:37,200 --> 01:26:43,000
And hang on to your wallets was just a clever way to let people know, hey, I'm talking about your tax dollars again.

980
01:26:43,180 --> 01:26:44,100
No big surprise.

981
01:26:44,680 --> 01:26:49,560
I continually inform the public what we're going to talk about if it's going to impact them.

982
01:26:49,560 --> 01:26:51,900
I don't see anybody else doing it.

983
01:26:52,220 --> 01:26:55,460
It's the best, most efficient way I can deliver information

984
01:26:55,460 --> 01:26:57,580
at the lowest cost possible.

985
01:26:58,320 --> 01:27:01,480
And I don't see one single reference in here

986
01:27:01,480 --> 01:27:03,520
that indicates how anybody will vote.

987
01:27:03,820 --> 01:27:06,020
I know how in my heart I pray that you will vote,

988
01:27:06,740 --> 01:27:08,720
but I'm not you.

989
01:27:08,860 --> 01:27:10,360
I don't know how you're going to vote.

990
01:27:11,080 --> 01:27:13,200
So, and the people were made aware,

991
01:27:13,360 --> 01:27:15,800
and I'm very, very proud that the people were made aware,

992
01:27:15,800 --> 01:27:19,140
I'm not going to change my policy.

993
01:27:22,570 --> 01:27:29,170
Commissioner Nelson, you had to start talked about the list, and yes, I agree that we

994
01:27:29,170 --> 01:27:34,030
probably need to go over the list and I understand you're need to have it well balanced.

995
01:27:35,210 --> 01:27:41,130
But to me, the facts still remain, we're short, and I don't think that we're going to be

996
01:27:41,130 --> 01:27:47,090
able to remove enough from the list to make it feasible that we don't have to look

997
01:27:47,090 --> 01:27:54,430
something. And we have the people from the committee coming out and telling us they know

998
01:27:54,430 --> 01:28:04,010
that we're short. So I am going to be very strong and finding a way to stop the situation

999
01:28:04,010 --> 01:28:09,370
of losing ground on our roads. We have to do something. And so what your recommendations

1000
01:28:09,370 --> 01:28:15,850
are will be discussed and to see which one or all are going to be best. But we have to do

1001
01:28:15,850 --> 01:28:19,110
and so I'm going to move forward on the recommendation.

1002
01:28:21,760 --> 01:28:25,180
Commissioner, if any of the discussion of those, we will go to the cards.

1003
01:28:27,800 --> 01:28:32,960
Okay, if those who would like to come down forward, so we can go timely on this,

1004
01:28:33,320 --> 01:28:42,720
Lynn Whippley, Tim Harbour again, David Eaton and Keith Hendrix.

1005
01:28:43,740 --> 01:28:47,300
We'll be first. Please come forward and state your name and address for the record.

1006
01:28:47,300 --> 01:28:52,140
Good evening, Lynn Welply, 560, Jupiter, Boulevard, and Pompeii.

1007
01:28:53,600 --> 01:29:02,220
I am simply here to respectfully ask you to defer any action regarding the impact fees

1008
01:29:02,220 --> 01:29:08,340
only until we can have a little bit more discussion regarding the economic situation in

1009
01:29:08,340 --> 01:29:15,460
county. Simply. Okay. There is a question for you, Lynn, but I

1010
01:29:15,460 --> 01:29:21,800
Commissioner Fisher. Yeah. 11, 1980, seven. I was a palm-based

1011
01:29:21,800 --> 01:29:26,340
city council. Do you know that? No, I did not know that. You know what the number one

1012
01:29:26,340 --> 01:29:30,040
issue on palm-based was in 1997. Probably the same one that it is right now.

1013
01:29:31,600 --> 01:29:38,320
I understand. I understand that. I understand that. I mean, your

1014
01:29:38,320 --> 01:29:43,780
a small brokerage in Palm Bay and just curious, I'm going to try and put you in Palm

1015
01:29:43,780 --> 01:29:48,540
just trying to get a feel for. I mean the wish at some point in time that city would

1016
01:29:48,540 --> 01:29:55,580
address or the community would address road needs. Oh sure, that's an easy yes, yes I do. However,

1017
01:29:56,600 --> 01:29:59,840
my concern is being a realtor.

1018
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:05,120
In this time, I know that a lot of people think that the economy is boosting up, and it's getting better.

1019
01:30:05,880 --> 01:30:10,180
And I think we just need to have a little bit more security in that.

1020
01:30:10,180 --> 01:30:15,760
So more conversation, some more understanding of what the real estate market really is doing right now.

1021
01:30:15,940 --> 01:30:24,700
I mean, we're still on wobbly ground. And until that is a little bit more solid, and that line is moving up a little bit more,

1022
01:30:25,300 --> 01:30:31,120
Then we can reintroduce impact fees, but I'm just afraid from my profession.

1023
01:30:31,880 --> 01:30:40,560
I think one of the things was confusion for a lot of the realtors, at least the ones that call me was, as if we, you know, this thing sunsets in 1231.

1024
01:30:41,280 --> 01:30:43,780
So the board just allows it to do that.

1025
01:30:44,140 --> 01:30:46,580
And I think you've heard from the majority of the board, so you're willing to do that.

1026
01:30:46,640 --> 01:30:47,080
Correct.

1027
01:30:47,400 --> 01:30:50,060
And you don't, I mean, you didn't have to come out tonight.

1028
01:30:50,900 --> 01:30:51,180
That's right.

1029
01:30:51,380 --> 01:30:53,740
What you're asking for was already 1231.

1030
01:30:53,740 --> 01:30:55,300
Unless you're vote with tonight.

1031
01:30:55,320 --> 01:30:56,300
Yeah. I'm sorry.

1032
01:30:56,400 --> 01:30:57,940
Unless you were going to vote on it tonight.

1033
01:30:58,000 --> 01:31:01,160
I was going to ask you to defer that until we can ask them more conversation.

1034
01:31:01,640 --> 01:31:05,620
And maybe we'll be back and ask about more conversation at the end of the year.

1035
01:31:05,820 --> 01:31:06,200
Thank you.

1036
01:31:06,220 --> 01:31:06,680
Thank you.

1037
01:31:07,740 --> 01:31:08,040
Thank you.

1038
01:31:08,400 --> 01:31:12,160
So, if I can, we have an attorney here to represent the board.

1039
01:31:12,500 --> 01:31:15,080
Could I have him take my spot and I'll go after.

1040
01:31:16,200 --> 01:31:16,740
It sure is.

1041
01:31:16,800 --> 01:31:17,940
He could not.

1042
01:31:23,930 --> 01:31:25,330
I'll start again, please.

1043
01:31:26,430 --> 01:31:27,110
Thank you.

1044
01:31:27,410 --> 01:31:28,570
Commissioner, my name is Keith Patrick.

1045
01:31:28,830 --> 01:31:30,950
I'm a lawyer, lobbyist with the Rambalog Group.

1046
01:31:31,350 --> 01:31:35,790
Out of Tallahassee, and I represent the Space Coast Association of Relators in this matter.

1047
01:31:37,390 --> 01:31:38,330
I'm going to get to the point.

1048
01:31:39,910 --> 01:31:45,090
I think Commissioner Fisher made a very good point about trying to figure out how to sell

1049
01:31:45,090 --> 01:31:47,190
many of these broad-based revenue sources.

1050
01:31:47,190 --> 01:31:53,150
And one of the gentlemen previous to me had mentioned the public doesn't even know what the need is.

1051
01:31:53,310 --> 01:31:57,270
We haven't even gotten out there to convince them of what the need is.

1052
01:31:57,750 --> 01:31:58,230
I'm not here.

1053
01:31:58,510 --> 01:32:01,950
One of the concerns that we have is with impact fees.

1054
01:32:02,950 --> 01:32:06,450
But it seems to me the white elephant in the room is the local economy.

1055
01:32:07,570 --> 01:32:11,890
The best I concern it and it can discern after reading the blue ribbon report in the final meeting

1056
01:32:12,390 --> 01:32:17,630
There's obviously a great concern for transportation needs in this county and that they're overwhelming.

1057
01:32:18,190 --> 01:32:19,550
There's no question about that.

1058
01:32:19,770 --> 01:32:22,930
And also that the present moratorium can't last forever.

1059
01:32:23,550 --> 01:32:29,170
There's also an appreciation, I think, for an uncertain local economy, for un-easiness about the local economy.

1060
01:32:30,550 --> 01:32:38,370
But nonetheless, in the end, the prevailing view seems to be that the moratorium has been an effect long enough in its kind to move forward and simply allow the sunset to occur.

1061
01:32:40,570 --> 01:33:07,030
Painful, as it is, in the context of needed revenues for transportation, no one's really looked at the facts of what effective any, allowing the sunset of the moratorium to occur might have on the local economy and the real estate market in Brevard County, much less what the current condition of the local economy is, we all have anecdotal evidence and intuitive feelings about it, but nobody's really that I've seen, there's no real look at that issue.

1062
01:33:07,030 --> 01:33:18,890
The local economy, as I said, is the white elephant in the room, and we've given you a copy of the NHB report, and it shows a long, slow recovery at this time.

1063
01:33:19,190 --> 01:33:28,090
Our ask of you is this, because of the fragility of the local economy here, we respectfully request, and you've already done this.

1064
01:33:28,090 --> 01:33:32,910
for a vote on this report until the impact fee concerns come back.

1065
01:33:33,170 --> 01:33:37,950
But we'd also like to have a dialogue on the sunset in the context of the economy.

1066
01:33:38,870 --> 01:33:44,830
If we're below normal, as these indicators indicate, impact fees can't have an adverse

1067
01:33:44,830 --> 01:33:47,810
effect, we want to be part of the solution.

1068
01:33:48,470 --> 01:33:53,230
We're not saying no to impact fees, and I'm sorry that this recovery for all of us all

1069
01:33:53,230 --> 01:33:53,990
around the state.

1070
01:33:53,990 --> 01:33:57,950
If you look at those figures, it's a 12-year period and your climb was steep.

1071
01:33:58,150 --> 01:34:03,170
It was higher than anywhere in the United States just about, and your fall has been steeper.

1072
01:34:03,750 --> 01:34:08,670
And so we're not going to solve this overnight, and we do want to have that discussion and

1073
01:34:08,670 --> 01:34:13,770
work and engage our national economists even more, bring them into the frame, come down and

1074
01:34:13,770 --> 01:34:14,670
have that discussion.

1075
01:34:15,190 --> 01:34:20,450
I think if we can have that discussion openly, then at the end of the day, you're going

1076
01:34:20,450 --> 01:34:25,710
get us as a partner and helping to sell broad-based sources of funding to the public, and

1077
01:34:25,710 --> 01:34:31,790
also engaging us in the best way to do that. And when to do that, and again, Commissioner

1078
01:34:31,790 --> 01:34:36,910
Fisher, I know my times out, but you made a good point. The public has to understand the need

1079
01:34:36,910 --> 01:34:41,210
first that I can understand it between now and November. That's going to take some work and we're

1080
01:34:41,210 --> 01:34:47,690
not going to solve this problem overnight. But it may be 2016. All of these, the timing

1081
01:34:47,690 --> 01:34:50,610
of all of these issues needs to be taken into consideration.

1082
01:34:51,510 --> 01:34:56,970
So we don't want you to assume, or we would like to ask you to allow us to come back and

1083
01:34:56,970 --> 01:35:01,970
in two months or so after we get our act together, and let's talk about the sunset and whether

1084
01:35:01,970 --> 01:35:04,090
this economy is the right economy.

1085
01:35:04,350 --> 01:35:09,350
I know we don't want to extend it anymore, many of you don't, but it's been in place since March

1086
01:35:09,350 --> 01:35:15,470
of 2009, and we've been 12 years in this, and we're just skating along the bottom now.

1087
01:35:15,970 --> 01:35:16,490
Thank you.

1088
01:35:18,830 --> 01:35:22,270
David Eaton's, Edent, Tim, you want to come back?

1089
01:35:22,410 --> 01:35:22,930
Just take a minute.

1090
01:35:23,870 --> 01:35:25,230
I'll give you one minute.

1091
01:35:25,250 --> 01:35:25,610
One minute.

1092
01:35:26,070 --> 01:35:27,110
Just again, thank you.

1093
01:35:27,350 --> 01:35:30,730
We really don't want to have you vote on this item tonight.

1094
01:35:31,110 --> 01:35:32,910
We want to be a part of the impact fee.

1095
01:35:33,550 --> 01:35:35,390
Robin, you know, you just said you live in Palm Bay.

1096
01:35:35,550 --> 01:35:39,330
If you're a first time home buyer, and you go to Palm Bay, and you add an impact fee

1097
01:35:39,330 --> 01:35:41,450
onto that house, it's not going to praise.

1098
01:35:41,450 --> 01:35:51,470
today's not the time, 2016 maybe. So we just asked that you allow us to help you make this decision on impact fees in the future, not tonight.

1099
01:35:53,910 --> 01:35:57,310
I'm sure he was referring to unincorporated Palm Bay.

1100
01:35:57,730 --> 01:35:58,630
Well, I'm sitting at Palm Bay.

1101
01:35:59,170 --> 01:36:00,970
We already pay.

1102
01:36:01,090 --> 01:36:02,770
And doing some real sit down, I can tell you it's hard.

1103
01:36:03,150 --> 01:36:04,910
I've just picked it on Robin for Palm Bay.

1104
01:36:05,050 --> 01:36:06,230
I should have said tightest bill.

1105
01:36:06,410 --> 01:36:08,070
You guys know what I'm talking about in here.

1106
01:36:08,210 --> 01:36:10,090
Everybody in Tennessee is unincorporated from our camera.

1107
01:36:10,190 --> 01:36:12,090
I mean, you guys are both actors or warriors.

1108
01:36:12,230 --> 01:36:13,250
You know where I'm coming from.

1109
01:36:13,850 --> 01:36:15,030
It's not that we're tight.

1110
01:36:15,230 --> 01:36:16,470
We just need to be right.

1111
01:36:16,730 --> 01:36:17,710
And to be fair to the board.

1112
01:36:17,990 --> 01:36:19,690
We've always allowed you all to be part of the discussion.

1113
01:36:19,690 --> 01:36:19,910
Okay.

1114
01:36:20,250 --> 01:36:21,050
Well, we want to get so much money.

1115
01:36:21,050 --> 01:36:22,090
We want to get so much money.

1116
01:36:22,610 --> 01:36:24,150
And thank you for allowing us so far.

1117
01:36:27,190 --> 01:36:27,390
Sir.

1118
01:36:29,390 --> 01:36:30,170
Hi, I'm Dave Eddens.

1119
01:36:30,310 --> 01:36:32,430
And I'm a small business man of the board county.

1120
01:36:33,190 --> 01:36:34,670
And I've got something to do out to be done.

1121
01:36:34,690 --> 01:36:35,930
I'm on these roads every day.

1122
01:36:36,030 --> 01:36:37,110
I have four trucks on the road.

1123
01:36:37,110 --> 01:36:38,090
I've got seven employees.

1124
01:36:38,730 --> 01:36:42,230
And I just wanted to speak out against the 6% gas tax.

1125
01:36:42,570 --> 01:36:46,890
The committee made a comment earlier that if you drive more, you pay more.

1126
01:36:47,350 --> 01:36:47,850
Well, guess what?

1127
01:36:48,110 --> 01:36:50,210
I drive more because I've got guys on the road.

1128
01:36:50,790 --> 01:37:06,810
You're a planetary paramion, your air-conditioner, fair-man, your guys, your plumber that's coming out, your guys service in your alarm system, anyone of those guys that have these trucks on the road would be unfairly targeted by a six since or whatever it is, increase.

1129
01:37:07,450 --> 01:37:15,630
In fuel, I already pay an average of probably a hundred to a hundred fifty dollars a week per vehicle in fuel cost.

1130
01:37:15,630 --> 01:37:20,030
Your plumbing, your AC repair, all that's going to cost you more.

1131
01:37:20,330 --> 01:37:23,670
If I have to start showering that kind of a burden and think of the other companies,

1132
01:37:23,770 --> 01:37:25,530
I have 30 or 40 trucks on the road.

1133
01:37:26,070 --> 01:37:31,610
I'm already battling the national companies as a small business man, we're 50 hours a week,

1134
01:37:31,830 --> 01:37:32,490
trying to make a living.

1135
01:37:32,790 --> 01:37:38,690
I don't need to add that to my cost to provide services to the people of this county.

1136
01:37:39,150 --> 01:37:39,590
Solidness.

1137
01:37:39,590 --> 01:37:46,590
I'm only concerned also in regards to the cost of the maintenance of your vehicles after they've been hitting

1138
01:37:46,590 --> 01:37:51,910
Potholes for all that time too. It's kind of a balance here that we have to look at.

1139
01:37:52,250 --> 01:38:00,930
I do agree with that, but I started my day in Rhode Island today, went to Mellburn, went to Taisville, went out to rock, went back up to

1140
01:38:01,890 --> 01:38:07,030
shorts and I'm here. I didn't hit a whole bunch of balls. It's not that bad. I'm on the

1141
01:38:07,030 --> 01:38:09,710
roads every day. Thank you. We want your roots.

1142
01:38:14,270 --> 01:38:18,070
Keith Hedrick, followed by Mitch Ribba.

1143
01:38:21,030 --> 01:38:25,150
Okay. Mitch and then James Reed.

1144
01:38:27,460 --> 01:38:28,100
Thanks for having

1145
01:38:28,100 --> 01:38:32,280
me here and allow me to speak. I appreciate it. I mean, Mitch Ribba, I'm the president

1146
01:38:32,280 --> 01:38:37,220
of the Space Coast Association of Rilters, and the conversation I wrote down at a conversation

1147
01:38:37,220 --> 01:38:40,840
kind of changed over the conversation we've had, if that makes sense.

1148
01:38:41,860 --> 01:38:46,580
I too would like us to be involved with the discussion that impact fees. Obviously, we're

1149
01:38:46,580 --> 01:38:51,580
just coming out of this. You know, if you look at the stats, we're just hovering along the

1150
01:38:51,580 --> 01:38:56,340
bottom there, and I do, I'm afraid the impact fees now may not be the right time. There are

1151
01:38:56,340 --> 01:38:59,800
different models out there now with impact fees versus when these were in place before.

1152
01:38:59,800 --> 01:39:07,200
Those are things that we need to discuss, and I think the real-to-community is a huge source for you to help you to get to these places.

1153
01:39:07,860 --> 01:39:12,660
We're not against any broad-based funding. Obviously, the roads were an issue with our house.

1154
01:39:12,720 --> 01:39:17,180
If the roads aren't there, we can't take our customers there and sell them houses. That's an issue for us.

1155
01:39:17,520 --> 01:39:23,280
But really more importantly, it's about us being involved with you to bring you to the pot we need to know.

1156
01:39:23,600 --> 01:39:27,560
We have a lot of support. We have a lot of people we know in the county.

1157
01:39:27,560 --> 01:39:32,000
we can help you bring in the community to help support these

1158
01:39:32,000 --> 01:39:34,390
province things that we need to be there for you.

1159
01:39:35,620 --> 01:39:36,380
Thank you.

1160
01:39:36,520 --> 01:39:38,300
Thank you.

1161
01:39:38,400 --> 01:39:38,720
Thank you.

1162
01:39:38,720 --> 01:39:39,800
Mitch Riba,

1163
01:39:41,950 --> 01:39:43,750
James Reed,

1164
01:39:45,450 --> 01:39:49,630
fellow by Dan Barber and Bob Barber to do one speak again.

1165
01:39:50,730 --> 01:39:50,870
Pass.

1166
01:39:52,150 --> 01:39:53,350
Thank you, Madam Chairman.

1167
01:39:54,190 --> 01:39:58,270
Mine will be short because everybody in the blue shirts

1168
01:39:58,270 --> 01:40:08,090
have made the same comments that I was going to make and Mr. Fisher, I had in my first

1169
01:40:08,090 --> 01:40:13,350
draft of what I might say kicking the can on the road. I decided to pull that back. That

1170
01:40:13,350 --> 01:40:21,930
sounded pretty political. So I won't address that. But let me emphasize one thing that we

1171
01:40:21,930 --> 01:40:30,310
talk about seriously today when we met, we want to work, we want to work with you to

1172
01:40:30,310 --> 01:40:37,450
find the best solution. Whatever it is, we are ready to work with you. Thank you.

1173
01:40:38,150 --> 01:40:44,810
Dan Barber, followed by Gary Johnson. Good evening. My name is Dan Barber,

1174
01:40:44,810 --> 01:40:51,970
387th Court in Merit Island on the 27-year veteran in real estate and currently a director

1175
01:40:51,970 --> 01:40:54,710
and a past president of Space Coast Association of Relators.

1176
01:40:55,730 --> 01:40:58,070
And I look at this from a little different perspective.

1177
01:40:58,230 --> 01:40:59,930
I try to get the big picture.

1178
01:41:00,550 --> 01:41:06,870
I happen to be in a profession that I think is second on Maslow's hierarchy of needs that

1179
01:41:06,870 --> 01:41:10,150
being shelter after sustenance or food.

1180
01:41:10,690 --> 01:41:20,150
And in the impact fees, in some of the data that I have read, is going to affect affordable

1181
01:41:20,150 --> 01:41:20,570
housing.

1182
01:41:20,810 --> 01:41:23,690
It's going to price people out of the market.

1183
01:41:25,450 --> 01:41:30,110
5,000 dollars will take 1,300 people out of the market, not be able to get a home.

1184
01:41:30,650 --> 01:41:33,890
I think that's much more important than a pot hole.

1185
01:41:34,490 --> 01:41:38,030
The other thing I've noticed that, all of the things I saw up there in the presentation,

1186
01:41:38,030 --> 01:41:45,850
the impact fees was the lowest revenue providing, the lowest item that provided revenue.

1187
01:41:47,230 --> 01:41:54,290
And I echo the realtors in trying to help the county come up with a solution and take a look at the impact fees.

1188
01:41:54,770 --> 01:41:57,470
There is more than one way to do something right.

1189
01:41:58,110 --> 01:42:03,690
And some of the studies I've seen is that the impact fees, if it's applied to a hundred thousand

1190
01:42:03,690 --> 01:42:08,150
our house got a petty same thing as somebody's building a million dollar house we might want to

1191
01:42:08,150 --> 01:42:13,250
look at those kind of things too. Thank you. Gary Johnson.

1192
01:42:17,460 --> 01:42:20,160
I'm Gary Johnson, Coco Beach. I'd like to

1193
01:42:20,160 --> 01:42:25,820
think Commissioner Infantini for a leader alerting the public to the topics of interest,

1194
01:42:25,900 --> 01:42:33,380
taxes, and spending. Almost 10 years ago was necessary for me to come down here and ask

1195
01:42:33,380 --> 01:42:36,880
have justified 100% increase in my property taxes.

1196
01:42:38,580 --> 01:42:40,820
Especially since there was no improvement in services.

1197
01:42:41,600 --> 01:42:52,960
The obvious answer was the incompetence and irresponsibility of the commission to establish and manage a reasonable budget to provide essential services and eliminate wasteful and nonessential spending.

1198
01:42:54,160 --> 01:42:59,700
Why is it that this commission's answer to every problem is more spending and higher taxes?

1199
01:42:59,700 --> 01:43:12,870
Do you not understand that your job is to manage the funds available to provide the essential services needed, which means to eliminate unnecessary spending?

1200
01:43:14,270 --> 01:43:20,170
Why is it that Commissioner in Fentini is the only one that has shown their responsibility to do that?

1201
01:43:21,550 --> 01:43:27,490
You need to recognize priorities, which is more important, roads or golf courses.

1202
01:43:28,800 --> 01:43:36,920
Why are we spending, who knows what, subsidizing, who knows how many golf courses in the

1203
01:43:36,920 --> 01:43:44,430
county, not to mention those in the city that I also have to support for the benefit

1204
01:43:44,430 --> 01:43:51,590
of a few privileged individuals without question when the roads that are utilized by everybody

1205
01:43:51,590 --> 01:43:53,830
are like in the required revenue.

1206
01:43:54,450 --> 01:43:56,830
This is mismanagement pure and simple.

1207
01:43:57,570 --> 01:44:02,410
After the county has approved millions of dollars in tax breaks to attract new business

1208
01:44:02,410 --> 01:44:10,070
to the area, please tell me how changing, charging, impact fees on new construction and

1209
01:44:10,070 --> 01:44:13,250
raising other taxes is consistent with this policy.

1210
01:44:15,170 --> 01:44:19,890
Apparently, you have no understanding of what it's like to live on a moderate fixed income

1211
01:44:19,890 --> 01:44:20,410
budget.

1212
01:44:20,410 --> 01:44:27,090
or if you do, you simply don't care. If our taxes go up, then essential items must

1213
01:44:27,090 --> 01:44:34,510
be cut to pay for it. We manage responding to match our income. You need to do the same.

1214
01:44:35,230 --> 01:44:43,890
Do you realize the impact of all the proposed increases combined? Do you care? The solution

1215
01:44:43,890 --> 01:44:49,110
is for the County Commission to do their jobs, file a lead of Commissioner in Fentini,

1216
01:44:49,110 --> 01:44:55,010
and roll up your sleeves, go to work, cut unnecessary spending, and find the funds necessary

1217
01:44:55,010 --> 01:44:59,650
to provide the essential services without the required.

1218
01:45:00,180 --> 01:45:14,580
Without increasing taxes. If you're not competent to do this, without raising taxes, then you should step down. New taxes and fees and increased taxes is not an option.

1219
01:45:14,580 --> 01:45:16,580
Thank you.

1220
01:45:17,340 --> 01:45:18,260
John Wheeler.

1221
01:45:21,260 --> 01:45:22,080
John Weiler.

1222
01:45:22,440 --> 01:45:22,560
John Weiler.

1223
01:45:24,520 --> 01:45:24,820
Sorry.

1224
01:45:25,660 --> 01:45:26,680
Put your name again.

1225
01:45:26,800 --> 01:45:27,180
That's okay.

1226
01:45:27,560 --> 01:45:28,260
John Weiler.

1227
01:45:29,140 --> 01:45:30,720
40 to 40 south tropical trail.

1228
01:45:30,920 --> 01:45:32,140
District 2.

1229
01:45:33,240 --> 01:45:34,320
And thank you.

1230
01:45:34,440 --> 01:45:34,940
Commissioner Anthony.

1231
01:45:35,280 --> 01:45:36,040
I saw your email.

1232
01:45:36,260 --> 01:45:37,640
That's one of the reasons I'm here today.

1233
01:45:38,120 --> 01:45:39,840
And I appreciate you saying that email.

1234
01:45:40,080 --> 01:45:41,600
And alerting us taxpayers.

1235
01:45:42,420 --> 01:45:44,080
What is being considered.

1236
01:45:44,940 --> 01:45:48,280
Anyway, it's not 2.43 minutes yet, isn't it?

1237
01:45:48,280 --> 01:45:49,060
Was that to go?

1238
01:45:49,800 --> 01:45:50,660
Just looking at that.

1239
01:45:52,440 --> 01:45:57,740
Yeah, I listened to everything that was going on in the last 30-40 minutes.

1240
01:45:58,540 --> 01:46:05,780
And I came here with a little different approach and listened to the Blue Ribbon Committee.

1241
01:46:06,200 --> 01:46:12,640
And I'm sure those gentlemen did a very excellent job of considering what they were given.

1242
01:46:12,640 --> 01:46:19,840
listening to some of you commissioners afterwards. It looks like they weren't given all the right information to do the study that they did.

1243
01:46:20,260 --> 01:46:23,640
I think Commissioner Anderson's comment was very appropriate because,

1244
01:46:24,620 --> 01:46:32,920
gee, if you're considering a new build for $30 million and you haven't considered in there,

1245
01:46:33,320 --> 01:46:38,900
you're assuming that all that's all going to be locally funded and you're not considering in that the possibility of having

1246
01:46:38,900 --> 01:46:45,400
additional sharing from federal estate funds, that sort of skews the entire proposal that

1247
01:46:45,400 --> 01:46:50,020
they made on the amount of taxes in freeze that you might need if you followed that.

1248
01:46:50,460 --> 01:46:56,540
Now, well, I'd like to emphasize that I'm sure you know this, but apparently a lot of you

1249
01:46:56,540 --> 01:47:01,860
have forgotten it. You have a lot of people in this county that are retired and have a lot

1250
01:47:01,860 --> 01:47:08,340
of people on fixed income at the level. They own a house, they drive a car, all these taxes

1251
01:47:08,340 --> 01:47:11,100
that you're talking about, in fact, all of them.

1252
01:47:11,380 --> 01:47:13,960
They're not getting an increase in their income,

1253
01:47:14,500 --> 01:47:18,140
so as the last gentleman indicated, they're going to have to take

1254
01:47:18,140 --> 01:47:22,120
and do without so that we can fill the holes in the pot holes

1255
01:47:22,120 --> 01:47:24,000
in the road or maintain them.

1256
01:47:24,300 --> 01:47:26,800
Now, obviously, we'd like to maintain all these roads,

1257
01:47:27,340 --> 01:47:29,800
but we're taxed enough already.

1258
01:47:30,680 --> 01:47:35,880
You guys have enough funds if you learn how to manage your budget.

1259
01:47:35,880 --> 01:47:42,550
It's obvious that I've been up there for 10 years coming before you, and every single issue that we talk to you about

1260
01:47:43,040 --> 01:47:50,680
You ignore us the taxpayers you keep asking for more and more the rates keep increasing. They never go down

1261
01:47:50,680 --> 01:47:57,820
My taxes haven't went down in 30 years. I've lived here in Brevard County. They have gone up and up and up, and

1262
01:47:57,820 --> 01:48:03,000
And I'm now at that time where I have a fixed income and I'm considering the same things that others are

1263
01:48:03,000 --> 01:48:08,300
So I'd ask you to look at the other possibilities that you might have.

1264
01:48:08,900 --> 01:48:13,420
It's my understanding and I don't have my source with me today, but next time I will,

1265
01:48:13,760 --> 01:48:18,840
that you have approximately $50 million in a fund that could be used to settle somebody's

1266
01:48:18,840 --> 01:48:20,680
problems right now and hasn't been spent.

1267
01:48:21,720 --> 01:48:26,520
So think about that, you guys know where the $15 million I don't, but I understand you have it

1268
01:48:26,520 --> 01:48:31,020
and my source will be here at your next meeting, to point to you if you don't know where it is.

1269
01:48:32,060 --> 01:48:34,560
So, there's food for your thought.

1270
01:48:34,860 --> 01:48:38,980
The other thing that I would like to remind you of is that this county owns an awful lot

1271
01:48:38,980 --> 01:48:42,180
of property and has a lot of vacant buildings.

1272
01:48:42,840 --> 01:48:47,080
Why don't we consider selling off that property to private owners guess what?

1273
01:48:47,280 --> 01:48:52,580
They would then be paying taxes on it, as long as the county owes it, you don't get any tax revenue.

1274
01:48:53,240 --> 01:48:58,320
And I think we've got tens and tens of millions of dollars of property that we could take

1275
01:48:58,320 --> 01:48:59,000
and do that with.

1276
01:48:59,340 --> 01:49:00,180
Thank you very much.

1277
01:49:00,180 --> 01:49:10,300
Mr. Ron Taylor, followed by Michael Hartman and Diana Frider, I'd

1278
01:49:19,800 --> 01:49:22,140
first like to commend

1279
01:49:22,500 --> 01:49:29,520
the commission for taking and having the courage to start the dialogue of this process.

1280
01:49:29,900 --> 01:49:35,580
And the people who did this work, that was excellent work, and I'd like to commend you

1281
01:49:35,580 --> 01:49:42,340
to. And Commissioner Nelson, I'd like to commend you for pointing out the unfairness that

1282
01:49:42,800 --> 01:49:49,520
the district that you represent that they are going to possibly bear an unfair burden

1283
01:49:49,520 --> 01:49:59,520
there. I appreciate that. I want to speak to a group that really isn't here, supposed

1284
01:49:59,520 --> 01:50:09,820
to be here and in you. And that is the regular guy and gal, the homeowner and the small

1285
01:50:09,820 --> 01:50:10,320
business.

1286
01:50:15,770 --> 01:50:19,430
This issue is whether we should maintain a road infrastructure.

1287
01:50:22,530 --> 01:50:23,710
This is, excuse

1288
01:50:23,710 --> 01:50:30,030
me, forgive me. This issue isn't whether we should maintain a road infrastructure. This

1289
01:50:30,030 --> 01:50:36,270
This issue is how our current commission prioritizes where our tax money should be spent.

1290
01:50:37,950 --> 01:50:43,630
We buy expensive helicopters, reject the lowest qualified bidders for waste disposal services

1291
01:50:43,630 --> 01:50:49,030
by expensive trees, the line roads, and the list goes on and on.

1292
01:50:50,050 --> 01:50:57,710
On citizens want good roads, but they are burned out by the burden of the tax load.

1293
01:50:58,530 --> 01:51:06,550
They are prioritizing too. They want to keep a roof over their heads and food on the table for their families.

1294
01:51:07,730 --> 01:51:13,870
That is why they don't want to pay extra taxes for repaving rows. They can't afford it.

1295
01:51:14,710 --> 01:51:23,050
The regular guy and gal, the homeowner and the small businesses are still struggling with the impacts from this last reception.

1296
01:51:23,050 --> 01:51:27,910
session, and no one bailed them out, just asked more from them.

1297
01:51:32,100 --> 01:51:38,080
I'd like to say, I am four item one, I'm against item two because it fundamentally is

1298
01:51:38,080 --> 01:51:43,040
an unfair tax that puts a significant tax burden on the regular guy and gal.

1299
01:51:43,740 --> 01:51:50,180
Against item three, because it will hurt economic development and impacts a significant number

1300
01:51:50,180 --> 01:51:56,580
of small businesses and against item four because it fundamentally hurts all of the constituency

1301
01:51:56,580 --> 01:51:58,440
and which I want to represent.

1302
01:51:59,860 --> 01:52:04,760
I want to reorient our priorities and define the monies and other areas of programs.

1303
01:52:04,980 --> 01:52:06,920
Thank you very much for the opportunity to speak.

1304
01:52:08,500 --> 01:52:09,400
Michael Hartman.

1305
01:52:18,230 --> 01:52:19,370
Good evening, Madam Chair.

1306
01:52:20,010 --> 01:52:20,610
Commissioners.

1307
01:52:20,910 --> 01:52:22,370
My name is Michael Hartman.

1308
01:52:22,730 --> 01:52:24,690
I live at Merritt Island in District 2.

1309
01:52:26,070 --> 01:52:28,050
And over the last two months,

1310
01:52:28,830 --> 01:52:33,690
I've gotten a chance to talk to probably 2,000 voters in District 2.

1311
01:52:35,050 --> 01:52:41,290
I think Commissioner Nelson gets it correct in what he's seen, from what I've seen.

1312
01:52:43,970 --> 01:52:47,350
And I think that Commissioner Infantini has it right.

1313
01:52:48,690 --> 01:52:55,170
Most of the people in District 2 that I've met are seniors, or people who are barely scraping

1314
01:52:55,170 --> 01:52:56,890
by at the jobs they're at.

1315
01:52:57,790 --> 01:52:59,830
They don't have an extra money.

1316
01:53:00,490 --> 01:53:07,290
The two people that spoke before me, one from Mariton, one from Cogo Beach, both from District 2,

1317
01:53:08,610 --> 01:53:13,570
I can give you hundreds of names that would say the exact same thing.

1318
01:53:15,390 --> 01:53:19,130
So I ask you and I'm just giving you what they're saying.

1319
01:53:21,480 --> 01:53:26,760
We need to look inside our current budget because the people who are out there

1320
01:53:26,760 --> 01:53:31,680
Do not feel that they have the additional money to give for the roads

1321
01:53:32,920 --> 01:53:40,900
Thank you very much as the animators show her there you are. I'm sorry. You're right in front of me here

1322
01:53:42,040 --> 01:53:52,600
That's okay. I never see and there you go. Hello commissioners. My name is Diana writer and Chuck is very fortunate because I live in his district district too

1323
01:53:52,600 --> 01:53:59,840
and I like to stay in touch with him at all times, but anyhow, I'll be brief because I think

1324
01:53:59,840 --> 01:54:03,300
I'm going to say probably what a lot of the other folks have said.

1325
01:54:03,920 --> 01:54:08,700
I just will throw this piece of information in Brevard County for some time was listed

1326
01:54:08,700 --> 01:54:14,180
in Rilty Track as the number one foreclosure County in the entire United States.

1327
01:54:14,660 --> 01:54:20,340
Now we are slowly, very slowly beginning to improve, and now is not the time to bring back

1328
01:54:20,340 --> 01:54:26,560
PEC fees, provides economy needs more time to heal, and then we can have a dialogue and how

1329
01:54:26,560 --> 01:54:33,920
and when to solve our road problems, and agreeing with what Mr. Hartman said, you know what I

1330
01:54:33,920 --> 01:54:40,080
find scary? I do fundraising for the various groups I'm in, and I am telling you, when you have

1331
01:54:40,080 --> 01:54:46,260
a hard time selling ladies jewelry, you know times are a little tough, so I do think our citizens

1332
01:54:46,260 --> 01:54:53,620
are feeling the pinch. So I appreciate your consideration. Thank you very much. Mr. Don

1333
01:54:53,620 --> 01:54:57,440
Sims, followed by Scott Morgan,

1334
01:55:00,250 --> 01:55:01,490
and B. Barry.

1335
01:55:10,940 --> 01:55:16,040
Thank you for setting up this meeting today so we could come in here and kind of talk.

1336
01:55:17,580 --> 01:55:23,320
I haven't been a developer in Brevard County for almost 34 years. I've never seen a severe

1337
01:55:23,320 --> 01:55:26,700
drop in activity and permits like these past six years.

1338
01:55:27,180 --> 01:55:31,560
Many of my friends in the business have closed their doors, going out of business or moved

1339
01:55:31,560 --> 01:55:34,780
to Texas or other states in order to continue operations.

1340
01:55:35,940 --> 01:55:40,740
Building is the greatest broad-based job provider and economy booster in the world.

1341
01:55:41,160 --> 01:55:45,660
Help us bring back the goose that laid the gold neck and delay implementation of impact

1342
01:55:45,660 --> 01:55:46,160
fees.

1343
01:55:46,740 --> 01:55:52,720
Let us dialogue after the realtors, the builders and the developers on firm ground again.

1344
01:55:52,720 --> 01:55:54,580
Thanks for your time and God bless.

1345
01:55:56,600 --> 01:55:57,480
Mr. Scott Morgan.

1346
01:56:03,520 --> 01:56:03,900
Thank you.

1347
01:56:03,920 --> 01:56:08,980
I just wanted to provide you with a letter that is the West Melbourne thoughts on

1348
01:56:08,980 --> 01:56:14,120
this complex subject that you have to grapple with and sort of listen to a lot of this

1349
01:56:14,120 --> 01:56:14,460
speakers.

1350
01:56:15,320 --> 01:56:19,740
I don't think I heard anybody say we don't have a problem with maintaining our roads in our

1351
01:56:19,740 --> 01:56:20,060
county.

1352
01:56:20,620 --> 01:56:24,820
It's a matter of what are the solutions and that's certainly what you have to wrestle with.

1353
01:56:24,820 --> 01:56:29,740
And so I think sort of the bottom line in our position is that this ought to be something that

1354
01:56:29,740 --> 01:56:35,360
you start to move towards action, and I've heard a lot of, you know, the real are saying,

1355
01:56:35,480 --> 01:56:40,700
okay, there's going to be a time, but, you know, let us get together and help you with solutions.

1356
01:56:40,920 --> 01:56:46,660
And I think those that are a solution oriented that can help you grapple with this is how you're

1357
01:56:46,660 --> 01:56:54,260
going to leave a better legacy for the roadway network than we have right now for the next generation.

1358
01:56:54,260 --> 01:57:00,580
And I know that's part of, you have a very long-term view, not just solving today's

1359
01:57:00,580 --> 01:57:04,440
problem with solving tomorrow's problems, and there's a very difficult thing you're

1360
01:57:04,440 --> 01:57:08,300
having to deal with, but we have some thoughts, and we'd like to leave that with your

1361
01:57:08,300 --> 01:57:10,640
clerk, and add our thoughts to that, Max.

1362
01:57:11,580 --> 01:57:12,300
Thank you.

1363
01:57:15,970 --> 01:57:16,050
Thank you.

1364
01:57:16,050 --> 01:57:17,250
Personal shall be.

1365
01:57:18,650 --> 01:57:19,310
It's Barbara.

1366
01:57:19,330 --> 01:57:20,230
I'm Barbara Barry.

1367
01:57:21,010 --> 01:57:26,130
There seems to be a consensus on the problem, the solution, however, is in question.

1368
01:57:26,130 --> 01:57:34,790
And to assume that the citizens of Bervard don't understand the problem, or not aware of the problem, maybe a mistake.

1369
01:57:35,350 --> 01:57:41,730
And I'm surprised that some of you haven't heard them taking your name and vein as they drive into that pothole.

1370
01:57:42,930 --> 01:57:46,150
What the problem is is you're not listening.

1371
01:57:46,150 --> 01:57:54,070
They, it's your problem, I believe Chuck Nelson, you've been on the commission since 1990.

1372
01:57:54,690 --> 01:57:55,550
Is that what you said?

1373
01:57:56,470 --> 01:57:57,310
What did you say?

1374
01:57:57,950 --> 01:57:58,790
I'd have absolutely no air.

1375
01:57:58,790 --> 01:58:00,310
We should go back and read that.

1376
01:58:00,630 --> 01:58:03,330
Anyway, see you've been on there four to eight years.

1377
01:58:03,930 --> 01:58:07,930
Is this just all of a sudden you realize there's a problem?

1378
01:58:09,330 --> 01:58:14,890
You are tasked with prioritizing what you need to do.

1379
01:58:14,890 --> 01:58:24,230
This may be a legal issue, because you, as the roads have deteriorated, you have decided to fund

1380
01:58:24,230 --> 01:58:31,970
frivolous or projects that a lot of people would say are not necessary and are not needed

1381
01:58:31,970 --> 01:58:35,190
and we don't need to spend their money to do that.

1382
01:58:35,890 --> 01:58:41,510
So, I think that you will need to own the problem, you need to look at the entire budget,

1383
01:58:41,510 --> 01:58:47,950
take some money from the tourism development they don't need to go to China to sell

1384
01:58:47,950 --> 01:58:53,010
provide county they don't need to go to Germany or Las Vegas to sell

1385
01:58:53,010 --> 01:58:58,730
provide county take some of that money spend it on the roads you can find the money

1386
01:58:58,730 --> 01:59:05,610
you have plenty of money to spend you don't need ours we've had it thanks

1387
01:59:06,410 --> 01:59:12,690
One more thing, I just want to say, a lot of times the commission reminds me of a bunch

1388
01:59:12,690 --> 01:59:18,470
of spoiled children. You know how, if you have teenagers, they run out of money, they

1389
01:59:18,470 --> 01:59:23,990
got, I need more money, I need more money. That's what you're doing. It's the easy way out.

1390
01:59:24,510 --> 01:59:28,590
Work, do your job, work harder, look deeper into the budget.

1391
01:59:29,530 --> 01:59:31,950
You were doing so well until that last little comment.

1392
01:59:31,950 --> 01:59:36,370
you know, I just couldn't read it, but you know, you mentioned

1393
01:59:36,370 --> 01:59:41,310
legality. We can't, we can't spend tourism dollars on roads. We can't spend

1394
01:59:41,310 --> 01:59:45,490
mosquito-controlled dollars on roads. Where do you get all the money that you spend

1395
01:59:45,490 --> 01:59:49,630
on frivolous projects? Well, those are the things you call frivolous, as I recall,

1396
01:59:50,310 --> 01:59:56,390
but you can't. No, I can't, but I won't. Well, first of all, you talk about

1397
01:59:56,390 --> 01:59:59,850
legality. You know, we've got a very complex budget. These guys went through, yeah,

1398
01:59:59,850 --> 01:59:59,970
Thank you.

1399
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:29,980
They understand how difficult it is. So I just want you to know that it's not quite as simple as it sounds. And I got to hear about the helicopters earlier. We actually got rid of three helicopters. We have two. We now have fewer pilots as a result of that. We're funding that through the savings. So we didn't raise any of the revenues associated with mosquito control. And we have greater capability now that we have before

1400
02:00:29,980 --> 02:00:35,180
So it was a good business decision, and it didn't cost any more.

1401
02:00:35,260 --> 02:00:39,320
It is not costing you any more for those helicopters than it did before.

1402
02:00:39,540 --> 02:00:41,540
I don't think anybody's saying it's easy.

1403
02:00:41,980 --> 02:00:46,580
What we're saying is, taxing the people is the easy way out.

1404
02:00:46,840 --> 02:00:49,860
You have plenty of money, find it, cut sums and out.

1405
02:00:50,380 --> 02:00:55,840
And the other thing is, have you done a study on how much more it's going to cost the county,

1406
02:00:55,840 --> 02:01:01,900
If they raise six cents on the gasoline to run all of your vehicles, just a question to think of it.

1407
02:01:01,920 --> 02:01:03,200
We're taxing you, Sam, but that's okay.

1408
02:01:03,860 --> 02:01:06,980
Oh, oh, oh. Okay, then we'll raise it ten cents.

1409
02:01:08,320 --> 02:01:09,200
Kathy Parson.

1410
02:01:10,000 --> 02:01:15,840
I had my light on and I didn't, I didn't need her to stay there, but I did want to point out that she.

1411
02:01:15,980 --> 02:01:19,920
She was trying to mention some of the frivolous spending and the other gentleman mentioned the golf course

1412
02:01:19,920 --> 02:01:26,120
And we did spend a million dollars to correct the irrigation of a golf course that has been

1413
02:01:26,120 --> 02:01:26,900
losing money.

1414
02:01:26,960 --> 02:01:32,240
And when I present the option to my students and try to show them what facility would

1415
02:01:32,240 --> 02:01:38,220
you close, they have all agreed that each time you should close a business that is continually

1416
02:01:38,220 --> 02:01:43,080
losing money and not even bringing enough revenue to cover your operating expenses.

1417
02:01:43,520 --> 02:01:48,120
If at least you cover your operating expenses and a little debt service, they get it.

1418
02:01:48,160 --> 02:01:49,080
You close the facility.

1419
02:01:49,080 --> 02:01:56,320
But instead we spent a million dollars, so we do have a prioritization problem, and I think that's where she was going.

1420
02:02:00,440 --> 02:02:02,220
If you'll bear with me one more moment.

1421
02:02:02,840 --> 02:02:08,980
Yeah, Commissioner, you minimize the issue because even if we close the golf course, you have to pay the debt.

1422
02:02:09,640 --> 02:02:12,600
So you're going to pay the debt on something that's not operational.

1423
02:02:12,920 --> 02:02:18,000
Right, and the fact is that it is losing money above and beyond the cover of debt.

1424
02:02:18,000 --> 02:02:21,220
As long as, in, in, I did not talk about you.

1425
02:02:21,240 --> 02:02:21,860
You just asked me.

1426
02:02:22,160 --> 02:02:23,340
You just now asked me.

1427
02:02:23,580 --> 02:02:23,780
You just now asked me.

1428
02:02:23,980 --> 02:02:24,940
Let me go ahead.

1429
02:02:25,140 --> 02:02:25,360
I'm sorry.

1430
02:02:25,720 --> 02:02:25,780
Please.

1431
02:02:25,940 --> 02:02:26,600
I was saying the county.

1432
02:02:27,180 --> 02:02:40,320
What I wanted to point out was that we've had that discussion about the fact that the debt would go on even if the golf course was closed and the payments on those end and about three years I believe is that we will own those and that issue goes away.

1433
02:02:40,980 --> 02:02:43,600
And it's a decision that was not made by this forward.

1434
02:02:43,600 --> 02:02:46,040
That was made before any of us got here.

1435
02:02:46,040 --> 02:02:52,820
long for any of us got here. So we kind of get stuck with it. But I'll have your goffers at

1436
02:02:52,820 --> 02:02:56,260
it's Fester Hall and call you and see how they feel about it, so.

1437
02:02:56,520 --> 02:03:02,060
I'm sure I'm continuing. If you'd like to respond, then I do have Commissioner Anderson, please bear with me one more minute, Cathy.

1438
02:03:02,580 --> 02:03:05,980
Okay, Stessard Holland is actually the one golf course that's making money.

1439
02:03:06,300 --> 02:03:15,920
Habitat is also losing less money. It's barely covering. It's not covering all of its debt service. All the money comes in.

1440
02:03:15,920 --> 02:03:20,380
It does cover all the operating costs, but doesn't cover all of the debt service.

1441
02:03:20,840 --> 02:03:23,840
Savannah's on the other hand is, let me throw out numbers.

1442
02:03:24,340 --> 02:03:28,800
If it costs $100 to operate it, it's only bringing in 70.

1443
02:03:29,220 --> 02:03:31,080
And then it also has debt service.

1444
02:03:31,500 --> 02:03:36,280
So not only is it not covering its operating cost, it's got the debt service.

1445
02:03:36,840 --> 02:03:40,980
So you would lose less money by closing it down.

1446
02:03:41,260 --> 02:03:45,900
The only one that you wouldn't lose less money by closing down is habitat.

1447
02:03:45,900 --> 02:03:50,220
And while we're not making money, it will cost us more money to close it.

1448
02:03:50,420 --> 02:03:52,800
So I'm for habitat, you're correct, but not on Savannah.

1449
02:03:53,620 --> 02:03:56,500
Commissioner Anderson, were you returning to the topic of the evening of road?

1450
02:03:56,800 --> 02:03:57,160
Yes.

1451
02:03:57,600 --> 02:04:05,780
I just want to mention that some people said issues about prioritization and roads and then we haven't

1452
02:04:05,780 --> 02:04:06,420
come on out.

1453
02:04:06,860 --> 02:04:11,720
I don't add up the other commission in this or to know Commissioner Fisher and Commissioner

1454
02:04:11,720 --> 02:04:12,940
Nelson have done stuff.

1455
02:04:12,940 --> 02:04:17,660
know, you know, both Commissioner, Bowen and, and if a teammate had projects in the

1456
02:04:17,660 --> 02:04:19,200
roads, then that's simply not true.

1457
02:04:20,020 --> 02:04:23,880
But at the time, I've left office, we would have spent, we haven't figured out, calculate,

1458
02:04:23,960 --> 02:04:28,680
60 to $80 million in district plot, my district alone, on roads and drainage.

1459
02:04:29,600 --> 02:04:32,760
So to say that we haven't been doing it within the budget, is a misconception.

1460
02:04:33,680 --> 02:04:38,500
We've done the Wick and Road, what route were applied to me in West Melbourne, area in my district,

1461
02:04:39,200 --> 02:04:42,720
So I'm a member of I-95 overpass,

1462
02:04:43,240 --> 02:04:45,820
Lampwider Village drainage, which lots of seniors

1463
02:04:46,600 --> 02:04:48,240
were put out of the home for a long time,

1464
02:04:48,420 --> 02:04:50,000
including Kisle Lake drainage.

1465
02:04:52,780 --> 02:04:54,480
And it goes on and on.

1466
02:04:54,540 --> 02:04:55,540
And then what's going to my office?

1467
02:04:55,540 --> 02:04:56,700
I'll give you my list.

1468
02:04:57,240 --> 02:04:59,000
We have, right, organized number one

1469
02:04:59,000 --> 02:05:00,360
Rose and drainage in my office.

1470
02:05:00,940 --> 02:05:03,020
So I don't want to, I give a little offended when I hear that.

1471
02:05:03,160 --> 02:05:05,460
This is simply not true from the least district five.

1472
02:05:05,880 --> 02:05:06,140
Thank you.

1473
02:05:07,260 --> 02:05:11,700
Thank you for all the commissioners I should say that's unfair, but I definitely my office.

1474
02:05:12,600 --> 02:05:14,040
Thank you very much for your patience.

1475
02:05:14,920 --> 02:05:21,620
Kathy Paisons on the owner of St. Coast Realty, and the realtor 42 years, just an old back here.

1476
02:05:24,800 --> 02:05:32,280
Anyway, the thing that I would like to say is that number one, the county commission has a very difficult job.

1477
02:05:32,940 --> 02:05:39,520
Nobody wants to raise anybody's taxes for anything, so I've been on committees, I know what

1478
02:05:39,520 --> 02:05:44,460
this is like, it hurts. It really hurts. But we have to do something, and I think that

1479
02:05:44,460 --> 02:05:50,000
the committee did a beautiful job. To me, it's just kind of shocking that we got ourselves

1480
02:05:50,000 --> 02:05:56,480
into this position. And that over the years, these things have gotten out of hand, and we

1481
02:05:56,480 --> 02:06:01,500
haven't taken care of some of the problems, these big problems and roads are a problem.

1482
02:06:01,500 --> 02:06:06,240
roads and bridges are certainly keeping us our cities alive.

1483
02:06:06,920 --> 02:06:15,560
On the other hand, I've always understood why we kept a moratorium on the impact fees because

1484
02:06:15,560 --> 02:06:18,880
we need business in Brevard County.

1485
02:06:19,500 --> 02:06:26,000
We don't want to shun business, we need business, but we need impact fees that are reviewed

1486
02:06:26,000 --> 02:06:33,380
and taking care of by people with a brain.

1487
02:06:34,560 --> 02:06:37,540
You know, you like Andy said,

1488
02:06:38,120 --> 02:06:40,240
you can't have something an impact fee

1489
02:06:40,240 --> 02:06:42,580
cost more than what the business is going to cost

1490
02:06:42,580 --> 02:06:44,380
to create this business.

1491
02:06:44,740 --> 02:06:48,020
So we need to look at the committees

1492
02:06:48,020 --> 02:06:52,100
and look at the people that are overseeing impact fees.

1493
02:06:52,280 --> 02:06:54,500
And yeah, I think we do need impact fees.

1494
02:06:54,500 --> 02:07:03,080
But do we need them in an economy when we have a federal government at 17 trillion dollars in debt every morning?

1495
02:07:03,120 --> 02:07:08,640
I get up and I want to call it because our country isn't debt and why are we in debt?

1496
02:07:08,900 --> 02:07:13,000
It's because we're spending money. We forgot and what a budget is.

1497
02:07:13,320 --> 02:07:15,560
We don't know what a budget is anymore.

1498
02:07:16,120 --> 02:07:17,360
Nobody knows it at home.

1499
02:07:17,360 --> 02:07:21,640
I went to Catholic School and on every Monday, the nuns said,

1500
02:07:21,840 --> 02:07:24,200
did you bring your money for your savings account?

1501
02:07:24,940 --> 02:07:26,880
And we had a savings account.

1502
02:07:27,460 --> 02:07:31,720
And that little savings account stayed in my head my whole life.

1503
02:07:32,040 --> 02:07:33,860
And the budget stayed in my head.

1504
02:07:34,540 --> 02:07:38,880
So it's any time anybody gets together.

1505
02:07:39,300 --> 02:07:41,620
And they think that the money is theirs.

1506
02:07:42,320 --> 02:07:44,560
And they live up to that budget.

1507
02:07:44,560 --> 02:07:47,800
instead of saying, how can we cut here and how can we cut there?

1508
02:07:48,320 --> 02:07:49,180
Hey, we're in trouble.

1509
02:07:49,440 --> 02:07:51,460
But I'm going to give you some impact fees.

1510
02:07:52,220 --> 02:07:56,420
Florida Power and Light has added a 38% fuel search charge

1511
02:07:56,420 --> 02:07:57,500
to every bill.

1512
02:07:58,020 --> 02:08:03,200
So if you paid $2.25 per month about $75 to $90

1513
02:08:03,200 --> 02:08:06,200
with fuel search charge, there's an impact for you.

1514
02:08:06,820 --> 02:08:09,260
Water bills are up about $1.30.

1515
02:08:09,360 --> 02:08:11,800
This is something that does everybody gets, OK?

1516
02:08:12,520 --> 02:08:13,840
Car registrations.

1517
02:08:13,840 --> 02:08:23,680
real estate insurance. It's nuts. It's absolutely nuts. 2389 last year, 4,000. This year. Same thing.

1518
02:08:23,900 --> 02:08:32,060
Less coverage. All right, so the real estate people we deal every day with people who are impacted by this.

1519
02:08:32,300 --> 02:08:38,280
People who've lived in their homes like my neighbor, Chris history, she's 90 years old. She's not going to sell that house

1520
02:08:38,280 --> 02:08:42,400
because it should be selling for about five, 75,

1521
02:08:42,940 --> 02:08:47,280
but she probably would get about 3,75 or 400,

1522
02:08:47,460 --> 02:08:50,360
if she's lucky after living at 30 years.

1523
02:08:51,120 --> 02:08:53,400
So, and it's in a price range, that's not selling.

1524
02:08:54,460 --> 02:08:56,920
You know, you have a price range from 4 to 800,000

1525
02:08:56,920 --> 02:08:58,140
that might as well, you might as well

1526
02:08:58,140 --> 02:09:00,040
if your home falls in that category,

1527
02:09:00,280 --> 02:09:01,520
don't bother to put it on the market.

1528
02:09:02,440 --> 02:09:05,320
So, that's, I'm serious, I'm serious,

1529
02:09:05,420 --> 02:09:06,940
I know I sound like a crazy person,

1530
02:09:06,940 --> 02:09:15,380
But I am crazy because every day I have to deal with people who live on social security, and this is what's coming in.

1531
02:09:15,620 --> 02:09:17,360
But these things have gone up.

1532
02:09:17,420 --> 02:09:19,160
I like state.

1533
02:09:20,140 --> 02:09:26,040
I used to get a ribeye for $5.99 per pound, now it's $9.99, that's only like two years.

1534
02:09:26,760 --> 02:09:32,040
So, you know, every day everything is going up, mobile phones are costing more.

1535
02:09:32,040 --> 02:09:37,380
everything else is up. Guys, we have to find a way, sell some of those properties.

1536
02:09:38,180 --> 02:09:44,880
Thank you. Mr. One, quickly. Sir, I do need to have your address for the record.

1537
02:09:45,040 --> 02:09:46,360
You don't have a gun here.

1538
02:09:46,600 --> 02:09:49,680
Good evening. Address is 560 jute or bullet mark on May Florida.

1539
02:09:51,720 --> 02:09:52,000
Okay.

1540
02:09:52,360 --> 02:09:52,880
Good evening.

1541
02:09:53,100 --> 02:09:55,740
Just real quick. I just want to throw out the air.

1542
02:09:56,120 --> 02:09:59,340
We need to look ahead. We're all talking about the past and road that haven't been fixed.

1543
02:09:59,340 --> 02:10:03,880
I've been a resident here for 12, 13 years, and I hate paying taxes as much as anybody.

1544
02:10:05,220 --> 02:10:09,460
I want the commission to take in the consideration that we are facing the largest influx

1545
02:10:09,460 --> 02:10:12,940
of baby boomers coming to Florida over the next 10, 15 years.

1546
02:10:13,400 --> 02:10:19,740
And if we're going to increase the revenue and the spending, we're going to do that by bringing new people to come here.

1547
02:10:19,880 --> 02:10:20,980
We have to track them.

1548
02:10:21,280 --> 02:10:27,060
If we have higher property taxes and we have higher income taxes and higher gas taxes, they're going to go down the road.

1549
02:10:27,580 --> 02:10:31,920
And that will hurt us if we use the model of states that have been successful in the

1550
02:10:31,920 --> 02:10:36,900
governors that have been successful and in growing their economies, we need to look.

1551
02:10:37,780 --> 02:10:42,540
So I'm asking that we take in consideration not saying we screwed up last one years and

1552
02:10:42,540 --> 02:10:47,040
not spending money or appropriated right or fixed things, let's look to the next 25 years

1553
02:10:47,040 --> 02:10:52,760
as we bring in a whole group of new people moving to Provard County and grow this so

1554
02:10:52,760 --> 02:10:53,960
everything grows in accordance.

1555
02:10:54,700 --> 02:10:54,840
Thank you.

1556
02:10:54,880 --> 02:10:55,380
Thank you, sir.

1557
02:10:55,980 --> 02:10:59,540
Thank you, Mr. Fisher, you had your life. We're back to the board.

1558
02:10:59,920 --> 02:11:05,460
Yeah, I was just going to make a comment. I think people remember, and oh, nine.

1559
02:11:06,640 --> 02:11:09,200
And he didn't like me as much. I don't know.

1560
02:11:11,380 --> 02:11:19,300
But I was the big one to say, we shouldn't be building new roads until you've paid the maintain the ones you have.

1561
02:11:19,300 --> 02:11:29,860
And then at that point in time, we shifted how we did our LLGT taxes and reason I want to do that because I wanted to get some roads paved and my community.

1562
02:11:30,200 --> 02:11:37,400
So if you remember that chart, there was a 80 miles of one paved road in this county, 75 of them in my district.

1563
02:11:39,540 --> 02:11:46,660
But over the last couple of years, I'm proud to say that we've paved the 125 miles of roads in my district.

1564
02:11:46,660 --> 02:11:53,340
over in front of 350 homes got asphalt in it, and we spent about $10 million in doing it.

1565
02:11:53,760 --> 02:11:54,480
He spent $60.

1566
02:11:54,680 --> 02:11:57,500
I spent 10, thank you, Mr. Nelson, probably spent about 11.

1567
02:11:58,820 --> 02:12:04,800
With a million spent in the last three to four years, we still got the same need that need

1568
02:12:04,800 --> 02:12:05,540
out there.

1569
02:12:05,620 --> 02:12:09,780
So the problem was bigger before the report and the study got.

1570
02:12:10,200 --> 02:12:16,640
And one of the challenges is if you really go into the budget and you really want to

1571
02:12:18,080 --> 02:12:31,200
When I came on commission, I think in 10, when we were talking about increases, you know, we had, we asked the auditors, I said, you know, I want to really figure out when the boom was going and it was booming, where were we spending money?

1572
02:12:31,660 --> 02:12:32,120
What happened?

1573
02:12:32,480 --> 02:12:37,840
Thought it was a fair question because a lot of you were asking that question. How come you didn't put some away and how come you didn't do it?

1574
02:12:38,440 --> 02:12:46,160
The interesting thing was that in the boom and when the money was coming in, the areas that were the money was spent,

1575
02:12:46,160 --> 02:12:48,620
And it's no fault and I'm not trying to throw him out.

1576
02:12:48,720 --> 02:12:49,700
It was public safety.

1577
02:12:50,380 --> 02:12:55,280
It had to be spent there because we created, we were getting sued for overcrowded

1578
02:12:55,280 --> 02:12:55,660
jail.

1579
02:12:55,980 --> 02:13:01,960
We had to go build tents and put public safety in correction officers in it.

1580
02:13:02,180 --> 02:13:04,580
So public safety was the number one place that's been money.

1581
02:13:05,060 --> 02:13:11,340
Number two place was on, I think, health insurance in that category.

1582
02:13:11,820 --> 02:13:15,680
And the other, the other ones was that you, the voters,

1583
02:13:17,060 --> 02:13:21,160
said, let's spend money on parks and regulations and

1584
02:13:21,160 --> 02:13:21,820
referendum.

1585
02:13:22,100 --> 02:13:22,660
And so referendum.

1586
02:13:23,380 --> 02:13:24,320
But that's where it was spent.

1587
02:13:24,980 --> 02:13:27,800
And then when you, and so I, and then every other area,

1588
02:13:28,360 --> 02:13:31,060
since I've been on this board, and I think it's probably

1589
02:13:31,060 --> 02:13:33,000
the Mr. Bowling Nelson on the board,

1590
02:13:33,620 --> 02:13:37,040
government has got, it's, it's, it's, I don't know,

1591
02:13:37,060 --> 02:13:40,680
stock, there was a flat 140, you get the, with the village

1592
02:13:40,680 --> 02:13:46,220
in all that. It's been pretty flat and we've made cut after cut, after cut, 400 people

1593
02:13:46,220 --> 02:13:54,020
on it. So to say we haven't prioritized spending, we've got 80 men on roads or probably 90,

1594
02:13:54,940 --> 02:13:59,240
which you yours from yours, that we spent the last few years on roads, but we still got

1595
02:13:59,960 --> 02:14:06,420
the needs that you saw the study that people came out with. And so it's a serious problem,

1596
02:14:06,420 --> 02:14:11,880
But it's not like, you know, this commission is totally kicked a can down the road.

1597
02:14:11,880 --> 02:14:16,060
We've spent some dollars, and we've tried to get asphalt in front of people homes.

1598
02:14:16,340 --> 02:14:20,440
Please, at least I have, that's been waiting 30 years to get a road we paid.

1599
02:14:22,740 --> 02:14:27,380
Were you going to answer my question on the flat, and it's just a little budget, why is it because people don't understand it?

1600
02:14:27,440 --> 02:14:35,280
I think the question from one of the prior meetings was, the general revenue and the general revenue is 124 million.

1601
02:14:35,280 --> 02:14:39,760
now and it was a hundred and twenty four million a little three hundred thousand dollars

1602
02:14:39,760 --> 02:14:47,520
last now that it was five or six years ago. So, to all this rating increase and all this

1603
02:14:47,520 --> 02:14:53,880
revenue increase that you keep hearing about we haven't seen it. Commissioner Anderson.

1604
02:14:55,840 --> 02:14:59,960
I just want to point out one other thing, you know, part of the other.

1605
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:04,600
Projects and a lot of them weren't, it wasn't all real projects, a lot of it was drainage, my district.

1606
02:15:05,320 --> 02:15:06,900
But that was

1607
02:15:09,940 --> 02:15:15,820
John Denninghoff and his staff to a phenomenal job. We were in a recession. The budget was going

1608
02:15:15,820 --> 02:15:20,700
to backwards. We've leveraged with a little bit of money we had and earned a ground with the drainage

1609
02:15:21,380 --> 02:15:29,450
side and got other dollars in. So even though that was an all, only a small portion, probably with that

1610
02:15:29,450 --> 02:15:33,330
like letter project was a direct property tax

1611
02:15:33,330 --> 02:15:34,590
from the Barcini taxpayers.

1612
02:15:35,250 --> 02:15:37,730
They went out on letters, your federal income tax

1613
02:15:37,730 --> 02:15:38,930
and got your money back.

1614
02:15:40,070 --> 02:15:43,010
So we weren't a donor district in my district.

1615
02:15:43,030 --> 02:15:45,510
I could tell you that we're getting probably

1616
02:15:45,510 --> 02:15:47,510
to offer dollar back on drainage and infrastructure.

1617
02:15:48,410 --> 02:15:50,510
And definitely on projects and property tax,

1618
02:15:50,530 --> 02:15:53,830
I could tell you, and Robin will tell me this,

1619
02:15:53,890 --> 02:15:55,770
and private won't bash me in public.

1620
02:15:55,770 --> 02:16:02,470
He pays for my residence to get the roads and check doesn't it out.

1621
02:16:02,570 --> 02:16:10,450
They don't be in the up in public, but just to point out, this wasn't done by just some

1622
02:16:10,450 --> 02:16:17,130
miracle during the recession, the county staff went out in leverage money and the commission

1623
02:16:17,130 --> 02:16:18,610
supported those projects.

1624
02:16:23,590 --> 02:16:27,810
Back to the board, Mr. Witton, did you have a comment to make?

1625
02:16:29,660 --> 02:16:36,360
I didn't have a comment, just as you're considering your next step, you're certainly considered

1626
02:16:36,360 --> 02:16:39,800
whether or not you are sunsetting the committee.

1627
02:16:40,760 --> 02:16:46,800
So if there's more work from the do certainly advise us of that, but if not, I think we would

1628
02:16:46,800 --> 02:16:48,000
want to sunset the committee.

1629
02:16:48,220 --> 02:16:51,880
I just want to know if the commission is interested in the public hearing thing that I have mentioned.

1630
02:16:52,320 --> 02:16:54,600
If we are, then you don't want to sunset them.

1631
02:16:54,900 --> 02:16:56,120
I want to keep looking at the public.

1632
02:16:57,460 --> 02:17:01,140
I'm hearing from the public, I don't want you to be

1633
02:17:01,140 --> 02:17:03,900
a public meeting thing that I mentioned earlier on some workshop types stuff.

1634
02:17:04,500 --> 02:17:04,560
Yeah.

1635
02:17:05,360 --> 02:17:09,520
Kivish, I'm Brittany, and then Kivish, I'm Nelson, and then we'll go back to discussion on that

1636
02:17:09,520 --> 02:17:10,360
particular topic.

1637
02:17:11,040 --> 02:17:17,120
Based on what I'm hearing, I would like to make a motion to extend the moratorium on

1638
02:17:17,120 --> 02:17:19,780
in fact these till 2015?

1639
02:17:22,810 --> 02:17:26,970
No, 2014 is when it expires a different country.

1640
02:17:27,110 --> 02:17:29,070
Well, it is well, we have a point of time to work on.

1641
02:17:29,090 --> 02:17:32,230
Is it already, well, that one day in 2015 is better than it is.

1642
02:17:32,230 --> 02:17:35,630
Well, December, December 31st, 2015.

1643
02:17:35,770 --> 02:17:37,510
I'm sorry, I didn't mean January 1st.

1644
02:17:37,590 --> 02:17:39,930
I wasn't talking about the next day.

1645
02:17:40,330 --> 02:17:42,590
I don't mind entertaining that, most of them,

1646
02:17:42,730 --> 02:17:43,370
but I want to do it later.

1647
02:17:43,550 --> 02:17:45,410
Remember, I was the one that brought them more important.

1648
02:17:46,250 --> 02:17:48,230
Oh, my staff wrote it and got beat up,

1649
02:17:48,230 --> 02:17:55,630
I need to get it through and get through, but I don't mind, you know, I'm entirely, but I don't

1650
02:17:55,630 --> 02:18:01,890
want to do it with that more input from the builders and the home builders and how that

1651
02:18:01,890 --> 02:18:02,610
impacts them.

1652
02:18:02,770 --> 02:18:08,030
Because if they get into a situation where they can't meet concurrency on a development, they

1653
02:18:08,030 --> 02:18:08,910
want a big problem.

1654
02:18:09,270 --> 02:18:12,590
Because we can't afford to do the expansion, and then they won't be able to build.

1655
02:18:13,270 --> 02:18:15,090
So I just want to see how they feel about that.

1656
02:18:15,090 --> 02:18:17,850
I can care that we need a little bit more information on that.

1657
02:18:18,490 --> 02:18:21,290
And when we get a study going, so let's get to study.

1658
02:18:21,450 --> 02:18:24,910
I mean, you know, I've got some concerns about how we even charge impact fees.

1659
02:18:25,110 --> 02:18:28,170
You know, as far as, rather, they're distributed fairly.

1660
02:18:29,510 --> 02:18:34,230
And, you know, two professional office buildings, and sometimes depends on what's in it.

1661
02:18:34,330 --> 02:18:37,050
It could be double a triple, which doesn't make sense.

1662
02:18:37,250 --> 02:18:38,530
And to me, I think you get the same use.

1663
02:18:39,150 --> 02:18:39,890
So we got it.

1664
02:18:39,890 --> 02:18:41,970
We've got a study going, and I think I was.

1665
02:18:42,790 --> 02:18:48,070
I thought what we need to do is wait on the study before we do anything.

1666
02:18:48,630 --> 02:18:50,150
I concur with you on that.

1667
02:18:50,430 --> 02:18:51,870
Commissioner Anderson, are you concurring to me?

1668
02:18:51,870 --> 02:18:52,750
Yeah, I want to see the study.

1669
02:18:53,150 --> 02:18:58,410
I mean, I still have part of it with, you know, you know, your charging, not based on it.

1670
02:18:58,550 --> 02:19:00,750
There's a whole message that we've discussed in the past.

1671
02:19:01,530 --> 02:19:04,890
But I just don't want to get a situation where we're doing harm to the development committee,

1672
02:19:05,050 --> 02:19:06,230
into the community either.

1673
02:19:06,230 --> 02:19:12,690
And I do think as we go through the budget process also that we need to address some of these issues,

1674
02:19:12,690 --> 02:19:19,110
you know, in prioritizing, you know, what roads next that we might want to pay even.

1675
02:19:19,330 --> 02:19:27,530
So, well, as, you know, county manager, to try to hear Mark some, at least the 14 million that we got going now,

1676
02:19:27,690 --> 02:19:31,850
but we continue to fund that, or if we can increase it, we'll look at doing that.

1677
02:19:32,730 --> 02:19:40,470
But then I think the other thing is getting the, I don't want this committee to feel like, you know,

1678
02:19:40,690 --> 02:19:43,230
this been eight months and we're not going to do anything and we're not going to dress it.

1679
02:19:43,230 --> 02:19:48,770
So I think we, I think we still keep that committee going and asking them for some help.

1680
02:19:49,090 --> 02:19:53,410
And it might take us to 2016 to get it, you know, get it there.

1681
02:19:53,970 --> 02:19:58,610
But we're going to do our best to try to come up with some real long-term solutions to the problem.

1682
02:19:59,190 --> 02:20:02,510
Can Mr. Anderson do you want to go back and talk about the workshop?

1683
02:20:03,190 --> 02:20:06,190
There are just two things that I wanted to mention that I forgot earlier.

1684
02:20:06,410 --> 02:20:12,270
I remember that the roads and drainage are not just solely a functionality issue.

1685
02:20:12,370 --> 02:20:14,390
I mean, they really impact property values.

1686
02:20:14,570 --> 02:20:15,470
The road, there's a totally idea.

1687
02:20:15,550 --> 02:20:16,190
I do real estate on the side.

1688
02:20:16,790 --> 02:20:17,570
I just don't do it as often.

1689
02:20:18,130 --> 02:20:18,450
God bless me.

1690
02:20:18,530 --> 02:20:20,170
You're going to send the afternoon to show the house.

1691
02:20:20,510 --> 02:20:21,610
I can't do it.

1692
02:20:23,010 --> 02:20:24,750
But that affects property values.

1693
02:20:24,810 --> 02:20:26,930
You take the same home in Palm Bay, Florida where I live.

1694
02:20:26,930 --> 02:20:31,150
That's how one of those graded roads that got tore up and turned into dirt, and you take

1695
02:20:31,150 --> 02:20:36,150
that same house and put it in lock on, there's $100,000 difference.

1696
02:20:37,050 --> 02:20:41,210
So it affects property values, so we got to figure out why we don't want to go backwards.

1697
02:20:41,710 --> 02:20:45,470
It doesn't invest in every citizen in this community has the expected return on their

1698
02:20:45,470 --> 02:20:46,210
house later on.

1699
02:20:46,990 --> 02:20:51,890
The other issue is economic development, good luck attracting any new businesses when they break

1700
02:20:51,890 --> 02:20:53,670
an actual every time they travel down a road.

1701
02:20:54,210 --> 02:21:00,870
So, we just got to make the very cognizant of that during the whole time.

1702
02:21:00,870 --> 02:21:06,930
The other issue, too, is on the recommendations, the fear that I have in 2016, we're all gone.

1703
02:21:07,090 --> 02:21:08,030
You guys are gone.

1704
02:21:08,410 --> 02:21:10,210
Me, Trudy, and Robert are gone.

1705
02:21:10,530 --> 02:21:17,890
In the $14 million that's sitting there, say something got passed, whatever recommendation.

1706
02:21:17,890 --> 02:21:24,890
And what prevents the future commission from taking that forth doing a cell game and reducing

1707
02:21:24,890 --> 02:21:29,750
that $14 million per and back in a general fund and just replacing whatever action that

1708
02:21:29,750 --> 02:21:31,090
may have occurred with this commission?

1709
02:21:31,530 --> 02:21:32,890
That's very scary to me.

1710
02:21:34,190 --> 02:21:36,990
Well, anything else, that's an interesting question for you.

1711
02:21:37,050 --> 02:21:37,550
Are you answering?

1712
02:21:38,970 --> 02:21:46,630
I'm just saying that you're like, yeah, I'm thinking this is a voter-approved initiative.

1713
02:21:47,490 --> 02:21:53,250
And so, you know, what I'm talking to 2016 is rather than that, the voters that is counting

1714
02:21:53,250 --> 02:21:57,230
things is that these roads are serious enough that they want to address it.

1715
02:21:57,290 --> 02:22:01,070
That's what I was just, you know, seeing, it doesn't make sense at some point in time.

1716
02:22:01,430 --> 02:22:02,430
I don't put on about.

1717
02:22:02,510 --> 02:22:06,430
Yeah, I don't mind when the voters decide that it's somehow, I think the voters are going

1718
02:22:06,430 --> 02:22:13,550
to want some guarantee that the general fund transfer that public works currently is

1719
02:22:13,550 --> 02:22:20,930
mean things, but you can't go and pull that out. That's happened in the past. Yeah, I don't

1720
02:22:20,930 --> 02:22:25,810
know how to do it, but I can't support almost, we figure a way to guarantee it. Thank you.

1721
02:22:26,130 --> 02:22:29,550
I'll make sure Nelson, and then we'll come back to your second.

1722
02:22:31,250 --> 02:22:36,370
I don't want to see the group sounds yet, because I think there's at least one more opportunity

1723
02:22:36,370 --> 02:22:41,030
for them to look at some of the questions. What I would like to recommend the commission

1724
02:22:41,030 --> 02:22:47,190
to write down what those issues are that we would like for them to address and see if we can

1725
02:22:47,190 --> 02:22:49,170
come to some consensus on sending that to them.

1726
02:22:51,210 --> 02:22:52,570
So I don't want to run their vacations,

1727
02:22:54,010 --> 02:22:58,250
but if they would just hang on a little bit longer and let us put over the next couple of weeks

1728
02:22:58,250 --> 02:23:03,230
from before we break for our agenda. Let's come up with a list of things that we would want them to

1729
02:23:03,230 --> 02:23:05,010
look at.

1730
02:23:05,010 --> 02:23:11,270
Yeah, just like the one issue that I have, I would like them to review that and see what their thought is on.

1731
02:23:11,730 --> 02:23:14,090
The impact that it can solve the journeys on that.

1732
02:23:14,910 --> 02:23:15,650
Mr. Fisher.

1733
02:23:16,090 --> 02:23:20,250
Yeah, and I'm just going to say one more thing is kind of a plug for this commission.

1734
02:23:21,530 --> 02:23:23,210
The one to support it anyway.

1735
02:23:23,970 --> 02:23:30,650
You might not realize this, but because of the economic development zone and because of this commission,

1736
02:23:30,650 --> 02:23:36,070
we were able to get out of any five, which is a pure economic driver from how we 46th of

1737
02:23:36,070 --> 02:23:41,910
the Lucia County paid under a way that never been really or it's very settlement down

1738
02:23:41,910 --> 02:23:48,250
in this county and it got moved at five years and we took state money, FDOT and work with

1739
02:23:48,250 --> 02:23:52,710
a contractor and funded that thing five years early, there are space-cold infrastructure

1740
02:23:52,710 --> 02:24:02,090
and that's moving commerce and moving people, and it was creative, and so that was a

1741
02:24:02,090 --> 02:24:08,670
$44 million investment that we made, just so those of you all that didn't know that.

1742
02:24:08,870 --> 02:24:10,530
I didn't come out of anybody's pocket.

1743
02:24:12,690 --> 02:24:22,690
If I can do a recap to get some of the census here, I'm hearing that we do not want to

1744
02:24:22,690 --> 02:24:28,070
to be dealing with staff bringing forward their concerns so that we can address those and

1745
02:24:28,070 --> 02:24:33,690
then come back as a commission and decide how we want to do the next step as far as a community

1746
02:24:33,690 --> 02:24:37,410
event or a workshop to go and step.

1747
02:24:38,290 --> 02:24:40,150
The information has been brought forward.

1748
02:24:40,630 --> 02:24:41,510
We have a problem.

1749
02:24:41,590 --> 02:24:42,790
We know we have a problem.

1750
02:24:42,970 --> 02:24:47,230
Now let's get the best way of starting to solve that problem.

1751
02:24:48,790 --> 02:24:51,530
Any other recap on this or staff direction?

1752
02:24:53,420 --> 02:24:57,100
Thank you very much.

1753
02:24:57,320 --> 02:24:57,380
Thank you.

1754
02:24:57,380 --> 02:24:58,540
Thank the committee once again.

1755
02:24:58,580 --> 02:24:59,780
Really appreciate the work.

1756
02:25:01,020 --> 02:25:01,120
Great.

1757
02:25:01,960 --> 02:25:03,900
Any other reports?

1758
02:25:04,960 --> 02:25:06,280
Again, thank you very much.

1759
02:25:07,700 --> 02:25:08,340
Mr.

1760
02:25:10,980 --> 02:25:11,620
Witton.

1761
02:25:12,300 --> 02:25:13,280
There's no public comment.

1762
02:25:15,560 --> 02:25:16,900
No report, Madam Chairman.

1763
02:25:17,400 --> 02:25:17,800
Okay.

1764
02:25:18,640 --> 02:25:19,580
Assistant County Attorney.

1765
02:25:20,160 --> 02:25:21,340
No report, Madam Chair.

1766
02:25:21,780 --> 02:25:22,420
Commissioner Nelson.

1767
02:25:24,100 --> 02:25:28,580
Commissioner and Petini, Commissioner Anderson, Commissioner Fisher.

1768
02:25:28,620 --> 02:25:30,820
Welcome aboard, Mr. Stockton Whitman.

1769
02:25:32,240 --> 02:25:34,540
Yes, first day.

1770
02:25:34,780 --> 02:25:38,120
Yeah, you know, I was under my reports, I won't point you going to make a joke and go,

1771
02:25:38,120 --> 02:25:39,980
motion to terminate and make a joke.

1772
02:25:45,080 --> 02:25:50,480
I have no reports, hearing no further, we are now going to adjourn

1773
02:25:50,480 --> 02:25:56,060
at 7.29, the meeting of the Board of County Commission is voting.

1774
02:26:05,930 --> 02:26:09,970
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1775
02:26:10,170 --> 02:26:14,090
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1776
02:26:14,090 --> 02:26:18,570
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1777
02:26:18,570 --> 02:26:20,110
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1778
02:26:21,010 --> 02:26:24,830
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1779
02:26:24,830 --> 02:26:30,630
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1780
02:26:30,630 --> 02:26:35,030
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