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Good morning and welcome to Brevard County's Board of County Commissioners meeting. Today is October 21, 2014. Today will have the

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indication by District 3, and also the pledge of allegiance by District 5. If commissioner and

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continue, would like to introduce? Yes, I would. If Rabbi Joel Fox with Temple Beth Shalom, please

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come forward. And he has a little something for us. And if you'd like to tell us a little bit about your

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temple before you get started. And if everybody would rise, please.

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Good morning. I'm Rabbi Joel Fox from Temple Beth Shalom, a conservative

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congregation at 5995 North Wickham Road. Thank you very much for having us. We're happy to be

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part of the community and help in any way we can. Let our eyes be opened. Let us be a

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wake and see the beauty that surrounds us. Let us be thankful for our good health and for this

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day that we have been given for its blessings, its opportunities. As we gather here today,

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we pray that we are ever mindful of our commitments to render our service to fellow citizens,

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to our community and to our country. Keeping in mind always the enduring values of life,

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exerting our efforts in those areas, and on those things upon which future generations

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can build with confidence. Let us continue to strive to make our world a better place.

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Amen. While the storm clouds gather far across the sea, let us swear allegiance to a land that's free.

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Let us all be grateful for a land so fair as we raise our voices in a solemn prayer.

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God bless America, land that I love, stand beside her and guide her through the night

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with the light from above, from the mountains, to the prairies, to the oceans,

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white with foam, God bless America, my home sweet home, God bless America, my home sweet home.

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Thank you.

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Please join me in the pleasure of our flight. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America

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and to the Republic of which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

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Thank you very much.

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We will now have the approval of the minutes for September 9th, 2014.

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I have the motion by Commissioner Nelson, second by Commissioner Anderson. All in favor please say aye.

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Anyone opposed? Passes 5-0.

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Going into our resolutions and presentations, Mr. Stockton Witton, you have the first one.

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Chair and members of the board, Margie Collins, who is the county's brave volunteer coordinator.

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We'll lead you through this item. This is the volunteer recognition initiative.

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Good morning. Once again, I want to thank you so much for having us here and giving us an opportunity to celebrate and recognize the many, many hundreds of volunteers that we have in the county that worked side by side with our staff.

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This morning, the department that is recognizing an exception of volunteers, the MIMS, Scott's more public library.

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And the volunteer will be introduced this morning by the Library Area Director, Susan Shemula.

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Good morning. In fiscal year 2012, 2013, library services had over 7,000 volunteers who donated 76,000,

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846 hours to making the libraries in Brevard County successful. These dedicated volunteers make it possible for us to offer all of the services that we offer to the public.

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One of these outstanding volunteers is Esther Volpius. She was instrumental in helping to establish the MIMS, Scott's more library. She worked at the library from 1998 to 2002, first in circulation and then is the secretary.

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Since Esther retired, however, she hasn't abandoned us, she's volunteered in technical services at the library, where she read these donations and purchased items for the shelf.

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She's been a member of the Friends of the MIMS, Scott's more library since that organization began.

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Esther has held the Office of Secretary and Treasurer and helps with the book sales. Her volunteer services are not limited to the library. She also volunteers at the North Brevard Historical Society Museum twice a week and has been a member of their board for five years.

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We are very grateful to Esther for all the services she provides to our library.

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Thank you. It's a real pleasure to be here. I want you all the time on TV, so I see a lot of familiar faces. Thank you for this honor. I appreciate it.

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Thank you. Thank you.

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And again, congratulations.

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I have a resolution. It's Barbara near here. Yes, I feel please come forward. This is in recognition of the month declaring the month of November is pancreatic cancer awareness month.

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It's very hard to detect it and it's important that you recognize the symptoms early in order to increase your chances of success.

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Whereas in 2014, an estimated 46,420 people will be diagnosed with pancreatic cancer in the United States and 39,590 will die from the disease.

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Whereas pancreatic cancer is one of the deadliest cancers is currently the fourth leading cause of cancer death in the United States and is projected to become the second 520.

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Whereas pancreatic cancer is the only major cancer with a five year relative survival rate in the single digits and at least 6%.

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As when symptoms of pancreatic cancer present themselves, it is generally late stage and 73% of pancreatic cancer patients die within the first year of their diagnosis while 94% of cancer patients die within the first 5 years.

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Whereas approximately 2890 deaths will occur in Florida in 2014.

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And the cancer research at recalp could train cancer research act was signed into law in 2013, which calls on the National Cancer Institute to develop a scientific framework or strategic plans for pancreatic cancer and other deadly cancers which will help provide the strategic direction and guidance needed to make true progress.

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And whereas the pancreatic cancer action network is the National Organization serving the pancreatic cancer community in Bernard County and nationwide through a comprehensive approach that includes public policy research funding, patient services and public awareness and education related to developing effective treatments and for cure for pancreatic cancer.

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Whereas the pancreatic cancer action network and its affiliates in Brevard County support those patients currently battling pancreatic cancer as well as those who have lost their lives to the disease and are committed to nothing less than a cure.

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Whereas the good health and well-being of the residents of Brevard County are enhanced as a direct result of increased awareness about pancreatic cancer and research into early detection causes and effective treatments.

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And having lost a family member, my mother-in-law passed away from that, that is why I'm always honored to read this one because it has a true place in my heart for it.

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Therefore it be resolved that the Board of County Commissioners of Brevard County Florida does hereby designate November 2014 as pancreatic cancer awareness month in Brevard County done ordered and adopted in regular session this 21st day of October 2014.

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I make the motion.

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I have a motion by Commissioner Fentini, do I have a second.

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Second by Commissioner Anderson, all in favor please state I.

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Anyone opposed passes five zero.

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Thank you. You can say a few words.

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Thank you.

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On behalf of the Center Florida affiliate of the pancreatic cancer action network, I want to thank you for the opportunity to be here today to accept this proclamation.

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I'm here because I have lost a breadth of sister-in-law and an uncle to pancreatic cancer.

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I myself am a four and a half year survivor.

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So this has special meaning for me.

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In proclaiming November as pancreatic cancer awareness month, you are assisting us in making the public aware of this disease and it's truly lethal nature.

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Working together with you, we hope to continue to raise awareness to support patients and their families and raise the funds to find the cure both through individual contributions and federal funding and legislation.

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Thank you so very much for your support.

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Thank you.

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Our next resolution will also be by Commissioner Infantini.

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This is the week of the family and I believe Doug Samuels and John Wifthley.

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And Marlee Dunn.

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I finally get to read this one.

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Okay, whereas America's character begins in the home where children learn the proper standards of conduct and values and whereas families provide children with the encouragement, support,

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and love that they need to become confident, compassionate and successful members of society.

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And whereas we must work together to promote and preserve the health and security of our families by upholding the timeless values sustained in our society.

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And whereas by working together to strengthen our families, we build a nation of hope and opportunity for all.

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And whereas parents should be the most prominent and active figures in their children's lives, recognizing that by spending more family time together, they can develop positive and open relationships with their children that will allow them to better encourage their children and encourage them to make positive choices.

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Now, therefore it be resolved that the Brevard County Commission does hereby proclaim November 2nd through November 8th, 2014 week of the family and Brevard and urges all residents to spend quality time with family members to strengthen relationships between parents and their children.

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One ordered and adopted this 21st day of October 2014.

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I make the motion.

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I have a motion by Commissioner of Intini's second.

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Bye everybody.

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All in favor please say hi.

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I want anyone opposed.

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Congratulations.

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Passes.

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Five zero.

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Go ahead and take Anderson.

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You can say a few words.

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We would like to thank the Commission for approving this resolution and especially Commissioner Infantini for sponsoring the week of the family.

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We thank the commissioners for the numerous years that we have been able to do this.

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I would like to introduce John Whitney from our family.

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This year there will be another family fun fest in Rockledge and we will have rock climbing and two bounce houses.

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We found we needed two bounce houses because the little ones just couldn't quite keep up with the bigger kids.

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So that should be fun.

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So be horseback riding, piety and contests, chilly contests.

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And we believe that it is important for families to take time to have fun and to enjoy each other.

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It has become a tradition that John Whitney and the family history center prepare a family history for a commissioner and this year.

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We would like gracefully like to give one to Commissioner Infantini.

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And John, if you'd like to say a few words about her family history.

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Your family were some of the earliest pioneers.

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And...

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In the New World, as early as the early 1600s in New York, they even named a town in Long Island

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for where they came from. A town is known as Brooklyn. Spelled absolutely differently.

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This research we've done represents your heritage from England, which you probably already know

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about Germany, the Netherlands, and your Native American history that you didn't know about.

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It's been a great pleasure. We've had fun. There's a great deal here and there's a great deal more.

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That can be done. Thank you for the opportunity.

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I'd like to let you know that Mr. Whitney came to my office and asked for any background that I could provide him.

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And I provided him with some background, but I can't tell you, as well as I definitely can't tell you because I didn't know it was in there.

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But I can't tell you how hard he works to find out all the information background information on your family's side.

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I just can't wait to look at it and see what my family holds in store for me. Maybe to explain some of my actions up here.

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All right, this is another one.

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That's right, this is fitting one and another baby, Annie Brown.

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Commissioner Nelson.

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It's my pleasure to read a resolution today for America Recycles.

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And if I could have Yuri Rodriguez Hillary and keep from our staff, come forward.

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I understand Mr. Sasso is out of town not available today, so you get to fill in.

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Well, I'm sorry I couldn't harass him.

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I'll read the resolution.

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We're as provar county recognizes the importance of protecting and preserving our natural resources and adopting conscientious habits that will improve our daily lives and bring a clear

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safer, I'm sorry, cleaner, safer and more sustainable environment.

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And whereas, although there has been a significant increase in the amount of recycling and provar county to date,

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we must also continue to focus on other initiatives such as waste reduction, composting,

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the reuse of products and materials and purchasing recycle products.

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And whereas, to focus the nation's attention on the importance of recycling businesses,

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schools, government agencies, nonprofit organizations and individuals have joined together to celebrate

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America Recycles day 2014, and further encourage their neighbors,

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friends and co-workers to learn more about recycling and the benefits of recycling.

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Whereas, provar county leaders can help raise awareness about recycling and informing citizens about recycling options,

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and encourage the need to expand collections programs by promoting the benefits of recycling investment for businesses.

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And whereas, it is important that all provar county citizens become involved in recycling activities,

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and learn more about the many recycled and recyclable products available to them.

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As consumers, it is also fitting for provar county to celebrate American Recycles day,

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and take action by educating citizens and recycling programs available in our community.

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Now, therefore, bear resolve, the Board of County Commissioners for provar county Florida, this hereby proclaim,

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November 15, 2014, as America Recycles day in provar county, done and adopted in regular session 21st day of October.

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That would be the resolution.

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Motion by Commissioner Nelson, second by Commissioner Fisher, all in favor, please state aye.

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Any one opposed? Pass us five zero. Congratulations.

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On behalf of, uh, keep America beautiful and keep provar beautiful and also in partnership with provar county parks and wrecks.

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We'd like to thank you for the proclamation.

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America's Recycles day is going to be held at Kwanis Island on November 15.

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It's going to be from 3 to 7 p.m., we encourage everyone to come out there, as we look forward to working with everyone to make a difference in our community.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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We're just like to thank the citizens and the commission for all their recycling efforts as we move on to the next year.

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We have met our goal for 2013, 52% is what provar county is recycling and it is ahead of the state goal, which is to recycle 50% by the end of 2014.

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So I'd like to commend everybody on our citizens for their recycling efforts and look forward to more recycling awareness programs. Thank you.

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Thank you.

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That concludes our resolutions and presentations.

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That commissioners, I'm going to bring an item forward off the agenda. 5c1 and this is for our decision, our lobbyists.

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Since it's going to be a valid decision, I would like to go ahead and pass out the ranking sheets and then we would be able to get a tally on that.

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If we have a clear winner, then we would be able to release everyone on that early in the meeting, because I'm sure everyone is seeing the agenda, it's going to be very full today.

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And if we have a question or we have a very close ranking, then we will then keep that on the agenda at the time it's going to be and have the presentation by the lobbyists firms.

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So at this time I'd like to go ahead and pass out the ballot.

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Please note that ranking number one is the highest.

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So are we going to be selecting the person that wins the highest number or how are you going to determine if there's a runoff?

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Because I know I was surprised by this the last time this happened.

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If there is a tie, then we will do the presentations of the people who are in the tie and then we will re-rank them again.

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So only there's a tie, not a third.

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Correct.

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Okay.

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One is the highest.

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Number one pick would be the number one winning agency.

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Okay, if stocked on if you'd like to collect them.

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Just for the work we're going to see if we want the announcement ballot.

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It's just for the record on the experiment management in I think Ron book is also part of that teamL see his name actually on the ballot.

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But I'm assuming that that's

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combination of those two.

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Okay.

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As soon as we turn them all in, then we'll continue with consent as they tabulate for us.

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Although it would be wonderful to keep all six consulting firms here to see what a meeting is like.

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That's exactly right.

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Commissioner Nelson, we're afraid they're going to change the mind.

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Okay.

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We're now looking at consent.

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Commissioners, there's anything on consent that you would like to pull.

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I would like to vote no on two C2.

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And I would like to pull two C3, C4 and D2.

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Okay.

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No on two C2 by Commissioner Ventini.

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And then pull two C3, two C4 and two D2.

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Right.

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Any other from the commissioners?

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Okay.

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Mr. Stockton, is anything that you wanted to pull off consent?

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I don't think we have any pools.

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We're going to make clarification on the process associated with two C2.

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We went over some items in a couple of briefings there.

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If we could just move that to the end of the meeting, we'll make a clarification on the process.

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So two C2, we will discuss later in the meeting then.

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Or after we process the rest of the consent.

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Also, I apologize there.

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Two other items.

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Three D2.

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We would ask that when you get there that you table that to the November 6 meeting.

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This will be under public hearings.

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Three D.

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Maybe I'm not understanding that correctly.

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Three D under public hearings.

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Okay.

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So we would like to move that to the next meeting.

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Also item 5F4, which is the CRA City of Cocoa Diamonds Square.

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We'd ask that that be removed from the agenda.

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We'll put that back on.

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I think November 25th.

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Or some some later meeting.

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Okay.

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That was under new business F4.

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5F4.

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Commissioner Nelson, you had a question?

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Yeah.

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I think three D needs to be continued.

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Was that advertised as a public hearing?

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Sorry.

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I think we need a specific meeting.

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You have to continue to November 6th.

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Okay.

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November 6th.

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Number 6.

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Yes, ma'am.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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That concludes our.

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Changes.

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You got to have them all.

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Okay.

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I'll move the consent agenda.

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With those changes.

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I have a motion by Commissioner Nelson.

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Seconded by Commissioner.

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I'm a teeny all in favor.

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Please state aye.

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Aye.

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Anyone opposed.

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Passes 5-0.

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First item that was on the consent agenda.

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The consent agenda to court discussion was to see three.

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This item is approving the advertising media plan and authorizing the TDC executive director to negotiate some contracts.

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I would like to put this off until the new director takes office and let him start making some decisions on that.

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Right now I haven't been all that happy with the marketing plan.

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I've seen some advertisements, some billboards.

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For instance, when I'm traveling south on I-95 that'll say,

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Brevard Zoo.

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Well, before I moved to Brevard County in 1990, I didn't know where Brevard was.

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I could be driving through it and I didn't even know what Brevard County was.

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And I don't think I'm alone.

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I think a lot of people travel I-95 without knowing which county they're in.

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They might know what city, but they don't know county by county.

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So I-I'm just not that impressed with the marketing plan.

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So I'd like to pull this one until the new director takes office and let him make some changes.

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Okay.

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I do have a light with Commissioner Fisher.

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I think the marketing committee, which really does them to the study that marketing from TDC a lot more than I know I do personally.

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And I think the plan and place the new director can change it if he doesn't like it at any point in time.

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And his tenure, I think it's going to take him a little time to get up and go.

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And so the proven some type of plan today to keep marketing to county.

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I think it's important to make a motion for approval.

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I've a motion by Commissioner Fisher, do I have a second.

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Second.

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Second by Commissioner Nelson.

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All in favor, please state aye.

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Aye.

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Anyone opposed?

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Aye.

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Passes four.

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One.

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Next item that was pulled is two.

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The four.

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To see four is where the advertising agency that represents the tourist development council had a contract with Bavard County.

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And the contract agreed to spend $80,000 per year for a fixed amount.

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Broken into quarterly installments.

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And then up to 18,000 out of pocket expenses.

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They exceeded that by $8900.

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There is also an requirement that they submit their invoices within about 30 days.

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Some of the invoices that there's submitting go back six months, nine months.

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And they're attributing the overage to currency exchange translation.

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And frankly, if you're in the tourism industry, I would think that you would understand that there's a currency translation factor.

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So that you would budget that and if you're not able to budget that perhaps.

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You may want to think about getting into a different line of work where you do understand.

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How currency goes. So, I'm not in favor of approving the extra $8,900, but I'll leave it up to my peers.

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Excuse me?

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Mr. Barley?

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Yes. Commissioner, it's first of all. It's not an advertising agency. The contract before you is a contract for a sales representation in the UK and the European

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market. They've been on contract for the last three years, I believe, and they've done a great job for us.

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I will tell you that we work for almost 10 years in the UK market trying to get into all the major tour operator books and, you know, marketing our area and trying to get them to sell it.

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These guys within the span of two years managed to get us into every one of those books including Virgin tours, which is the big daddy, and you can talk to a lot of our hotels on the beaches, up and down the beaches.

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They're generating a lot of business for them, and so the value of this contract is enormous.

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We estimate that the last time we did research, the international market, the overseas international market, the UK and Germany are two biggest markets, and combined equal about $70 million in economic input into this area.

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And I believe that probably about 20% of that business is a direct result of these efforts and in my staff's efforts. So yes, we did go over budget on this, so we didn't anticipate the drastic changes in the fluctuation of the currency.

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We have adjusted that in recommending the new contract and making adjustments for that, and we think it's a fair contract, and we think going forward will be very successful.

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I should also point out that this contract is associated with Kennedy Space Center, and they're very happy with what they've done out there, and I will tell you that Kennedy Space Center does almost 50% of their business is international.

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So it's a very important company. Try to us.

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Give us your opportunity. File by Commissioner Fisher.

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Thank you, Mr. Bradley. My question is, I'm sorry, if somebody is not able to calculate the currency translation, knowing that they are entitled to 18,000 out of pocket expenses,

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I think that they should better understand budgeting and not come to me after the fact, and so that's, I think it's a little bit late.

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But also, continually, my offices asked for some statistics as to how many specifically heads and beds we've received out of say the European market, and we never get that type of data back to know that to quantify what's our return on investment.

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And while I appreciate you telling me that, you know, they've done a tremendous result effort. I haven't seen it quantified, so how can I know how many people are actually staying here as a result of their efforts? Is there any way that we decide that we're going to quantify that, so we know whether or not we're receiving a return on our investment?

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Well, actually we do research on a regular basis, and we actually track the reunites, and we could provide you with that report from ignite or the contractor, after the next TVC meeting, I'll be glad to provide you with an updated report.

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The last time we looked at our research, as I indicated, we're almost 12 to 14% of our businesses international of which about 6%, 7% is that business side of the UK in Germany area, and just the calculations alone.

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If you take the calculations of the precedents of that business, and look at 2.5 million overnight rooms, which we know we do have, you're looking at probably over 170,000 roommates a year.

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So I think that's pretty good statistics right there.

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Do you have the numbers from beforehand, because we've actually asked for this in the past, so I'm glad to see that it's being generated now, although I'm sure it wasn't able to receive it before, but if we could get that, that'll be fine.

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Mr. Fisher.

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I just want to comment on how to talk to Mr. Whitton about having some type report.

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I have a good understanding exactly what the return on investment is, as we make this form travel and stuff in the future.

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So I think that's something that Mr. Whitton is going to be watching closely with that.

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I'm making a motion for approval.

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I'm a motion by Commissioner Fisher. Do I have a second?

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Second by Commissioner Nelson. All in favor, please state aye.

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Anyone opposed?

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Four one. Commissioner Infantini.

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The next item on the consent was 2D2, and commissioners on this, we would need to have a super vote.

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Motion for approval.

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I have a motion by Commissioner Fisher, second by Commissioner Nelson. All in favor, please state aye.

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All opposed?

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Passes four one.

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Mr. Whitton, did you want to go to 2C2 at this time?

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We'll do it at the end of the meeting.

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Okay.

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That ends the consent agenda, so we will now go into our public hearings.

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We do have a time certain at 10, but we have about 30 minutes.

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Okay, 3A.

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This is a request to vacate a portion of the public maintenance and utility easement for the construction of a pool

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and a deck there and no objections.

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We'll go through.

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I have a motion by Commissioner Fisher, second by Commissioner Nelson. All in favor, please state.

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Commissioner Infantini.

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I wanted to comment on this one because I'm in favor of it just to see you know.

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But gosh, about three years ago, we were presented with a similar item.

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And the people's name was Hon, I think, and they Hannah.

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Sorry, they came before asking for the very same thing, and this board voted to not approve it.

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I would just like to encourage the board to have a little more consistency and less special interest,

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but I'm sure that'll happen moving forward.

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So I just want to point out the inconsistency.

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All those in favor?

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Mentor.

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Yes.

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Mr. Nelson.

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This one is absolutely nothing like the one that she's referring to because there was an issue.

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There was actually litigation between the parties.

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It was two different plats bumping up against each other where it was actually settled in court.

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So, Commissioner, this isn't inconsistent.

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It was actually determining court on that one.

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So, you know, if you want to point out that there was a vacation that was requested at that time that's fine,

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but they were absolutely nothing alike.

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Right.

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There was a vacation and they put their boathouse in their dock over a vacated piece of property that had

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piping that for our county had on it on a canal and they had to remove their boathouse.

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So subsequently, to us not approving the vacating, then they had to remove their boathouse.

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So I just wanted to...

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I just wanted to...

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You're wrong.

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You're wrong.

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You're wrong.

359
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But you're wrong.

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It's usual.

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But if you keep being in it, it doesn't make it true.

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Commissioner, that issue was settled in court.

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Right.

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But you can hear what was settled in court to this.

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It was settled by a judge.

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They were found not in compliance by our own code enforcement folks.

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And you're comparing that to a simple vacation on the back of a waterfront property.

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They are nothing alike.

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They are very much alike, but that's okay.

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Hey, I have a motion on the floor.

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All in favor, please state aye.

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Aye.

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Aye.

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Those opposed.

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Pass us 5-0.

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Next item is...

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Let's go to the next item.

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And then we will have the results.

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Oh, they vote.

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Make a motion for approval.

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Second.

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I have a motion by Commissioner Fisher.

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Second by Commissioner Fontini.

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The card I have is for questions.

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Only so with Commissioner will move forward.

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All in favor, please state aye.

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Aye.

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Any one opposed?

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Pass us 5-0.

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Mr. Wooden, would you like to read the results of the labis?

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Mrs. Roll, the reading is going to take you through that.

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Madam Chair.

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Thank you.

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All right, good morning.

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Okay, the results for the rankings.

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We had six firms that did submit proposals for the lobbyist services.

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And I'm going to give you the rankings.

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One through six.

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The ranking number one is from Ron Book, Guy Sparman.

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Number two is from Pennington.

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Number three ranking is Bryant Miller Oliver, Dixie Sansim.

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Number four ranking is began at Buchanan, Ingersol, and Rooney.

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Fowler, White, and Bugs.

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Number five is from the advocacy group.

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And number six is from Capitol Alliance group.

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From those rankings, we have a clear decision.

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Yes, clear.

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You did have four number one rankings for your number one firm, which is Ron Book, Guy Sparman.

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I have a motion by Commissioner Anderson.

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Do I have a second by Commissioner Fisher.

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All in favor, please state aye.

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Aye.

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Anyone opposed?

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Pass us 5-0.

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Congratulations.

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And we will be working you very hard.

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Madam Chair, can we also get authorization to negotiate contract.

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County manager County attorney.

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I have a motion by Commissioner Anderson to add that to his.

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And the second.

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Approved.

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Commissioner Nelson.

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One of the things I'd like to recommend is in the negotiations that the contract be based on calendar.

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Or on fiscal year, not calendar year.

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Because legislative session typically starts heating up in November.

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And this way, we will always have a lot of guests on board with a current contract instead of kind of in a no man's land.

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So moving forward when you guys should.

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The motion has been amended.

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All in favor of the.

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Commissioner Fisher.

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If you do that, there are.

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Since we're in October.

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20th.

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We give them 11 up contract.

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We give them an annual contract.

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Is it important as a salary for a year?

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I just want to be clear about.

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Mr. Widen.

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I just think we'd get three months free.

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Okay.

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All in favor.

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There is some overlap because Mr. Book is also on the current contract.

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And so I think we can work it out to where it will start October first.

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Okay.

445
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:39,960
But there is overlap there.

446
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,960
The contract will overlap but the payment is not an issue.

447
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:45,960
I don't think.

448
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:46,960
Okay.

449
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:47,960
Sounds great.

450
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:49,960
And thank you to all the firms who applied.

451
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:54,960
The resumes and their proposals were outstanding from everyone.

452
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,960
And we just had to narrow down and make a decision for us.

453
00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:59,960
Thank you very much.

454
00:41:59,960 --> 00:42:00,960
Thank you.

455
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:06,960
All in favor of the amended motion say I.

456
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,960
Anyone opposed passes five zero.

457
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,960
Thank you.

458
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,960
Our next item is going to be three.

459
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:20,960
C.

460
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:25,960
Commissioners this item is a vacating request to correct a.

461
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:31,960
Previously in error committed or accepted to easement.

462
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:36,960
That occurred in the mid and late 90s.

463
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:41,960
The petitioner was never had donated the property for the easement.

464
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,960
That we needed for the retention pond that we now have.

465
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:48,960
But it was not his intent to donate the remainder of the property.

466
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:52,960
So this vacating would just correct this error that took place previously.

467
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:56,960
And there are no objections to it.

468
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:58,960
I have a motion by Commissioner Fisher.

469
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,960
Second by Commissioner Anderson all in favor please state I.

470
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,960
Anyone opposed passes five zero.

471
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:10,960
The next item we had already decided to move that to November the 6th.

472
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:17,960
Item E as an Edward.

473
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,960
I have a motion by Commissioner Fisher.

474
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:24,960
Second by Commissioner Anderson all in favor please state I.

475
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:25,960
Anyone opposed.

476
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:31,960
Next item.

477
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:36,960
I have a motion by Commissioner Nelson to I.

478
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,960
Second by Commissioner Fisher.

479
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,960
All in favor please state I.

480
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:44,960
Anyone opposed.

481
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:49,960
Just me passes for one commissioner and continue.

482
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:54,960
Item.

483
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,960
I have a motion by Commissioner Fisher.

484
00:43:57,960 --> 00:43:58,960
Do I have a second?

485
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:00,960
I have a second by Commissioner Anderson.

486
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:02,960
All in favor discussion commissioner and continue.

487
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,960
Item three G.

488
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:11,960
Is an item out of housing in human services and it is going to be deleting an ordinance from the

489
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:18,080
be deleting an ordinance from the Vard County's books that deals with having country acres,

490
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:24,400
home, it's a home for children that have been abused and neglected.

491
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:25,400
What have you?

492
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:29,760
Anyway, it's taking that off of our books and it's going to save the county probably a

493
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,360
million dollars per year.

494
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:37,800
And although I am known as the Type-Wad on the Budget, this is one place that I actually

495
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:39,480
believe in spending money.

496
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:46,080
So for that reason, I am not in favor of this ordinance.

497
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:53,280
I have a motion on the floor, all in favor, please state I, anyone opposed?

498
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:58,080
Passes 4-1, Commissioner and Petini.

499
00:44:58,080 --> 00:44:59,080
The next item.

500
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:06,000
With the golf carts, and I do have cards on that.

501
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:13,500
Ms. Sabrina, good morning Madam Chair and members of the Commission. This ordinance was brought forward

502
00:45:13,500 --> 00:45:19,000
at the direction of the board at the request of the Vierre Company to allow for additional

503
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:25,000
card golf cart passage on some of the right of ways.

504
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,000
Commissioners, I do have cards on this.

505
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:39,000
Jeff Worsick, would you like to come forward please? Jeff Barnett and then Jay DeKater.

506
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:57,000
Sure, what you all to be doing is giving your name and address and then I'll be giving the light that says five minutes.

507
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:58,000
Okay.

508
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:04,000
My name is Jeff Barrett. I'm a Vierre resident here at 3680 Brunaut Circle.

509
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:08,000
And would just like to say that I'm in favor of this change in ordinance.

510
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:12,000
And it's for the betterment of the Vierre area. Thank you.

511
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,000
Thank you.

512
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,000
Jeff Barrett, same.

513
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:17,000
Good morning.

514
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:21,000
Jeff Bursick, 3147 Cortona Drive.

515
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,000
I also am in favor of this ordinance change.

516
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:27,000
I think it's great for the community.

517
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:31,000
I think it promotes something that we're all interested in.

518
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:37,000
And that's a place for our families to grow up and we're trying to bring more people to this area.

519
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:40,000
I think it's good for small business.

520
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,000
And again, I'm in full support of this.

521
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:43,000
Thank you.

522
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:44,000
Thank you very much.

523
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,000
Mr. Jay DeKater.

524
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:48,000
Good morning.

525
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,000
My name is Jay DeKater.

526
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,000
My address is 7380 Morrell Road, Vierre Florida.

527
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,000
I'm in half legal counsel for the Vierre company.

528
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:58,000
And I'm here on behalf of the Vierre company and the residents of Vierre,

529
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:04,000
who seek clarity on where and how golf carts may lawfully be used in Vierre.

530
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:08,000
I appeared before the board back in August.

531
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:11,000
I asked asking on behalf of the Vierre company that consider

532
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:14,000
amending the ordinance to provide that clarity.

533
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:19,000
In the weeks since that time County staff has worked with input from the Vierre company

534
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,000
to prepare the ordinance as before you today.

535
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:25,000
The Vierre company agrees that this ordinance has clarified

536
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:29,000
where and how you can use a golf cart in Vierre.

537
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:34,000
And that's clarity is consulted by both owners and non-owners of golf carts in Vierre.

538
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:40,000
As such, we support the revised ordinance and urge the commission to approve its adoption.

539
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:43,000
Thank you, sir.

540
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,000
I do want to one notation that we do have.

541
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:50,000
We're back to normal Mr. Bill Ellis is back in the audience.

542
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:54,000
But no card.

543
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:58,000
Commissioner Fisher, your light followed by Commissioner Nelson.

544
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,000
I think it's great that we get some clarity.

545
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,000
Only thing I've got a little concern about.

546
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:12,000
If anybody else does the, when you look at what the who can drive this golf cart,

547
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:17,000
it's based on a 316 statute to 0.212.

548
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,000
That is a 14 year old.

549
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:24,000
So, you're just sharing that up there.

550
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:27,000
And if you come to one comfortable, why do you have a little concern on me?

551
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:32,000
I assume a kid that 13 is mom going to let him drive to.

552
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,000
You know, say you've almost 14, you know, means, so I think you're some.

553
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:40,000
But, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and talk in the staff of the dead, and I know that.

554
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:41,000
I made some sense.

555
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:44,000
Having a, a timeline, you can come back and look at this.

556
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:49,000
And a year or something, you think it's, you know, but not my might going to.

557
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:55,000
If, if I can answer, uh, Commissioner Fisher, I think this is something that's going to be continually looked at.

558
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:59,000
This is our first step forward to, to, to bring some clarity to it.

559
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,000
But I think that it will be always looked at.

560
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:05,000
Can I know that you started driving when you were eight, so I'm somewhat confused.

561
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:08,000
That's why I, that's when I went down the sort.

562
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:11,000
Commissioner Nelson, Bob, Commissioner Anderson.

563
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:16,000
Well, I had same concerns, uh, because we all drive through here.

564
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:19,000
We get to see sometimes some abuse of that.

565
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:23,000
And I, I hope that it is monitored because, uh, I don't know,

566
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:24,000
Phil softly ever problem.

567
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:28,000
I just think that sometimes those that are driving these things are not courteous.

568
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:33,000
And, uh, kind of ruin it for everyone else, but, um, I'm willing to go forward

569
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:36,000
at least see how it works for a period of time.

570
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,000
Commissioner Anderson.

571
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,000
Okay.

572
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,000
Beautiful approval.

573
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,000
I have a motion by Commissioner Fisher.

574
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:45,000
Second by Commissioner Nelson.

575
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,000
All in favor, please state I.

576
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:48,000
Anyone opposed.

577
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,000
Pass this five zero.

578
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:57,000
Okay.

579
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:00,000
Item.

580
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,000
Awesome district.

581
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:03,000
Four.

582
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:10,000
And I do have, uh, some cards on that, too.

583
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,000
Mr. Brown.

584
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:13,000
Good morning.

585
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:14,000
Commissioner.

586
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:18,000
Which had before you is a, uh, public interest determination for a wetland impact,

587
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,000
for a commercial property.

588
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:23,000
It's, uh, known as showwork member care.

589
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:28,000
We applied, uh, the new wetland policies to this, uh, particular development.

590
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:32,000
And it was determined that the wetlands that were being proposed to be impacted were not

591
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:33,000
high functionally.

592
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:37,000
However, the wetlands themselves were greater than five acres, uh, which requires a board

593
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:38,000
evaluation of it.

594
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,000
They are not considered high functioning wetlands.

595
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:46,000
And this meets all the criteria, uh, set forth by the board in policy for your approval.

596
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:47,000
Okay.

597
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:52,000
I have four questions only, but we do have Commissioner Nelson.

598
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:58,000
You know, as I kind of a first test, I think this has worked out the way we envision

599
00:50:58,000 --> 00:50:59,000
that working out.

600
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:03,000
So, uh, when it's appropriate, I will make a motion to approve.

601
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:04,000
Okay.

602
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:05,000
Sorry.

603
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:08,000
I have a motion by Commissioner Nelson.

604
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,000
Second by Commissioner Anderson.

605
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,000
Uh, and uh, Sounders.

606
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:15,000
Did you want to say anything at this time or were moving forward?

607
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:16,000
Okay.

608
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:17,000
Smart gown.

609
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:18,000
Okay.

610
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:19,000
All in favor.

611
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:20,000
Please state.

612
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:30,000
Anyone opposed passes five zero.

613
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:31,000
Okay.

614
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:36,000
We'll now go to item J. We can get that in before time, certain.

615
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:42,000
Commissioners, if I could, uh, the LPA voted to table this item at their meeting yesterday

616
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,000
to their January LPA meeting.

617
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:49,000
As you're well aware, uh, per Florida statute, the LPA, as your advisory board,

618
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:53,000
has the ability to table an item once, um, before the Board of County Commissioners,

619
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:56,000
considering it, um, from, from them.

620
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:59,000
So, uh, this is within their authority to table this.

621
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:03,000
Uh, again, they've taken it to the January LPA meeting.

622
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:07,000
We would like to, uh, schedule this to a time certain on February 5th, which would give, uh,

623
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:12,000
the boards some time between the LPA and their meeting to consider the conversation and

624
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:15,000
proposed changes at the LPA may bring forth.

625
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:20,000
I'd also like to share one last, um, aspect of the LPA's conversation yesterday.

626
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:26,000
As you're aware of this item, sought to align the Florida building code with our local building code,

627
00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:29,000
as it relates to finished floor elevation.

628
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:36,000
Uh, lot drainage techniques, uh, the amount of, uh, of fall and degrees of fall that we have in our

629
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:41,000
swells and our lots of coming away from our house pads to improve community performance.

630
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:48,000
And the LPA was also interested in us not just looking at the soils analysis that this ordinance, uh,

631
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:53,000
suggests that the code, look at, but also some permeability of, of soil.

632
00:52:53,000 --> 00:53:00,000
So, we are going to bring this back to you in February with some attempts at also ensuring that soils are permeable,

633
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:06,000
the way that we would like to ensure that the lots perform the way that we would expect them to.

634
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:11,000
So, what you're asking is that we, uh, vote to move it to the February 5th Board meeting.

635
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:12,000
Yes, please.

636
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:13,000
Second.

637
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:14,000
Second.

638
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:15,000
I have a motion by Commissioner Anderson.

639
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:16,000
Second by Commissioner Nelson.

640
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,000
All in favor, please state I.

641
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:19,000
Anyone opposed?

642
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:20,000
Passes 5-0.

643
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:30,000
Looking at the sack of cards for the time certain, uh, we're going to take a six minute break.

644
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:35,000
So, the commissioners can get ready for the next item.

645
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:38,000
Thank you.

646
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:20,000
And we are back at the Brevard County Board of County Commissioners, today being October 21, 2014.

647
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:30,000
The adding that we have now is going to be 5F-2, and Mr. Stockton Whitney, if you will set them stage.

648
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:36,000
Madam Chair, and members of the Board, this is a request of the Florida Development Finance Court.

649
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:45,000
And so Mr. Joe Stanton, who is the legal counsel for the corporation, will come and overview the item for you.

650
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:47,000
Good morning, sir.

651
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:52,000
Madam Chair, commissioners, good morning, Joe Stanton.

652
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:58,000
I'm serving as General Counsel to Florida Development Finance Corporation.

653
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:08,000
And I'll just refer to them as FDFC and the shortness up a little bit. FDFC was established by the legislature in 1993.

654
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:18,000
And it's primary purposes provide conduit financing for capital projects that enhance economic activity and employment opportunities in the state.

655
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:32,000
Recently, AA Holdings, LLC, which I'll call all aboard Florida, has applied to FDFC to provide conduit financing for a rail project, portions of which will be located in Brevard County.

656
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:38,000
For our county and FDFC have had an interlocal agreement in place since 1998,

657
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:44,000
pursuant to which FDFC's previously provided conduit financing for other projects located in Brevard County.

658
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:51,000
The current in a local agreement limits the principal amount of bonds issued to not exceed $7.5 million.

659
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:59,000
We're before the commission today to seek the commission's approval to amend the interlocal agreement to permit FDFC to issue bonds

660
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:05,000
for the purpose of financing the portion of the AAF project located in Brevard County.

661
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:16,000
FDFC is agreed to pay 100% of its fees attributable to the portion of the AAF project in Brevard County as a waiver fee and connection with this amendment.

662
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:23,000
The approval of the proposed amendment is limited solely to the financing of the project by FDFC.

663
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:38,000
It does not impact any other approval rights that the county may have with respect to the project and the bond documents of the financing will expressly state that Brevard County has no responsibility for the project.

664
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:46,000
The proposed financing would be through the issuance of private activity bonds that are sold to private investors.

665
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:58,000
It will have a minimum denomination of $100,000 to ensure that it goes to sophisticated investors and there will be no state or local funds that would be pledged to repay the bonds.

666
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:07,000
FDFC Board is provided its initial approval for this transaction and respectfully request your approval to propose the amendment.

667
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:09,000
Thank you, sir.

668
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:15,000
Commissioners, we have many cards on this.

669
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:22,000
So if Mr. Whitten, are we ready to start doing the public comment on it?

670
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:37,000
Okay, if I can have come forward, Mr. John Walsh, Ms. Debbie Harvey, Mr. Tom Hermenson, you will come to the podium please.

671
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:45,000
If you would state your name and address.

672
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:50,000
John Walsh, 425, Pierce, Cape Canaveral, Florida.

673
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:57,000
Commissioners, it's nice to be on this side of the podium instead of the other and I appreciate the opportunity to come.

674
01:03:57,000 --> 01:04:00,000
I represent Canaveral Port Authority.

675
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:07,000
Our commissioner will speak later today and talk about a resolution they passed in support of all board fora.

676
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:11,000
But my appeal today is about alternative transportation.

677
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:14,000
The port is involved in the intermodal business.

678
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:22,000
Moving cargo has been a big part of our push, but we can't forget that cruise passengers are a very large growing cruise business.

679
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:25,000
It is integral to the Barbarne County.

680
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:36,000
This year the port has had 4.2 million cruise passenger movements were number two in the world for cruise and indeed it makes Barbarne County a destination.

681
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:44,000
Flight power, air power is very limited and you would be amazed at how many people we get coming to the port from South Florida.

682
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:55,000
So we are in support of all board fora and we know it's not perfect as it's proposed today but we feel that you can't expand what doesn't exist.

683
01:04:55,000 --> 01:05:13,000
So the port sent the Chairwoman Lewis as well as Stockton Whitten, a letter and we will fund an initial study after all board fora to get moving in order to look at and study where the ideal place for station is in Barbarne County.

684
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:17,000
The all board fora folks are open to future expansion.

685
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:23,000
But right now we don't want to get in the way of stopping the EIS and seeing this train exist.

686
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:32,000
Can tell you that I'm getting up about 430 tomorrow morning to go to Miami again for the fourth time this month for the business that we do with the port.

687
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:37,000
And I would love to sit on a train and do email and conduct business back and forth.

688
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:43,000
But that train doesn't exist today so I will be sitting in the car and pulling over whenever I get a text or an email.

689
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:52,000
So we're very much in support. The port pledges to work with Bob Cam and the TPO to study where a stop makes sense in Barbarne County.

690
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:59,000
And we would ask that you seriously consider today moving ahead, improving the resolution that's in place before you.

691
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:06,000
So the Barbarne County can have intermodal facility and we can connect ourselves to the rest of Florida.

692
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:07,000
Thank you very much.

693
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:08,000
Thank you sir.

694
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:10,000
Miss Debbie Harvey.

695
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:15,000
Good morning.

696
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:25,000
I'm Debbie Harvey president of runs on the surf shop and as one of as a member of the community and also a member of a business that's been in Barbarne County for over 50 years.

697
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:30,000
And a member of the state of Florida for as long as I can imagine for little could be a little kid.

698
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:36,000
I support us moving ahead and getting other modes of transportation for the state.

699
01:06:37,000 --> 01:06:47,000
The state since I have been here has grown dramatically this year will probably welcome close to a hundred million visitors to the state and the roads simply can't keep up.

700
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:50,000
We need to get started somewhere again.

701
01:06:50,000 --> 01:07:01,000
This is not a perfect solution but I'm in support of all aboard Florida and I think we just must get going both Miami and Orlando are the biggest international airports in the state.

702
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:13,000
To expect that people coming from out overseas are don't want to use trains don't want to use modes of transportation so if they're used to is is putting our heads in the fan so to speak.

703
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:16,000
So I think we have to have alternatives to the roads.

704
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:25,000
We certainly can't make i95 of 14 laying road at some point to handle all the all the people that want to move between Orlando and Miami.

705
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:29,000
I would support all board floor and I support the resolution.

706
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:31,000
Thank you Mr Tom Herman.

707
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:37,000
Good morning.

708
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:42,000
Tom Herman's in the 30 30 way press drive Pockel Beach Florida.

709
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:49,000
I represent our partnership ocean partners that offer its five hotels in Pockel Beach with about 250 employees.

710
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:56,000
We're vested in tourism here in Brevard County and in its economic wall being and growth.

711
01:07:57,000 --> 01:08:09,000
I'm here to just upon that that as a community estate in the nation we need to embrace mass transit as part of the solution to our energy usage and future transportation requirements.

712
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:19,000
Not doing so ignore some of the most important issues we face today and in years ahead we should especially embrace opportunity for growth of man trans mass transit.

713
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:26,000
This is provided by private risk capital which is not normally the case with a minimal inputs from the public sector.

714
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:33,000
From the perspective of tourism I'm looking forward to the day when we can welcome customers to our area from a Brevard train station.

715
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:40,000
Whether they come from Orlando Airport or from other parts of Florida all aboard a Florida will eventually have a tremendous economic impact on Brevard.

716
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:52,000
Brevard County should be forward thinking in the approach to mass transit as well as all aboard Florida's proposal for a private endeavor to introduce rail project to central Florida.

717
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:56,000
We must recognize and appreciate that they're doing this with private resources.

718
01:08:56,000 --> 01:09:05,000
Again, it's highly unusual if you look around the rest of the country especially if you look at how publicly supported so many other rail projects are in other parts of the country.

719
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:16,000
While everyone's main objective here today is likely that is to get a stop here in Brevard County so that we benefit from the installation of this or the build out of this project.

720
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:26,000
I believe it's safe to expect especially with the ports help and everybody working together that one day in the near future we will have that stop.

721
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:35,000
By working together with all aboard and including negotiating the cost of the quiet zones which I believe will ameliorate the biggest concern for most constituents.

722
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:40,000
We position ourselves to get the benefit of this station sooner rather than later.

723
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:49,000
In my view all aboard Florida has a right to develop this project on their private property in addition to the fact encouraging privately funded mass transit is the right thing to do.

724
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:56,000
I don't see that there's any risk to Brevard County and you're moving this motion forward today so I suggest you support it. Thank you very much.

725
01:09:56,000 --> 01:10:05,000
Thank you sir. The next speaker will be Mr. Parish followed by Robert Smith and Mitch.

726
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:11,000
Robo from Mirad Island.

727
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:18,000
Good morning everybody. Mayor Henry Parish from the city of Coco and I bring greetings.

728
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:32,000
I also bring support for me and hopefully my council in the week on the 28th we're going to pass the same morning it's the port has passed.

729
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:41,000
I like to say a couple of things one is I had you water out in the mezzanine and the water is good.

730
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:44,000
Of course had a plug that when I can.

731
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:46,000
Where do we get that water?

732
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:53,000
I also want to make sure that Mary and Chuck you did a great job serving. I'm here to tell you in less than a month you're going to be off the hot seat.

733
01:10:53,000 --> 01:11:01,000
If you serve in any capacity folks everybody is on the hot seat when you're representing your districts and areas and cities and things.

734
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:07,000
So a good job. Great job and I'm glad we don't have a whole panel full of attorneys. Sorry Jerry.

735
01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:17,000
But the reason why is it takes all kinds to move a city or county or company and you've done a great job and we love working with you.

736
01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:20,000
We have things we're going to bring up to you in the future.

737
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:25,000
So our all aboard let me give you a little let me speak Florida because I got suits here behind me in the state.

738
01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:31,000
Probably data you know I just say this in a and we flag alert when he brought the.

739
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:36,000
Train system in the Florida he was criticized from New York City.

740
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:37,000
You know.

741
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:46,000
Scammer and all that he basically raised the money to raise to build the train system through Florida and it was considered a swamp.

742
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:56,000
Okay so all of us live in that swamp and his dream was to have the key west is the you know the port of the Americas.

743
01:11:56,000 --> 01:12:06,000
Okay well he passed before he completed it all the way but the legacy and the company he left it still here after 124 years is right here.

744
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:09,000
These people behind me that represent it worked for it.

745
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:14,000
And my perspective is all they're doing is returning.

746
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:20,000
Back to their roots which is passionate passenger service and I give you a quick scenario.

747
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:25,000
My grandfather and his great my great uncle Jesperish and my grandfather Henry.

748
01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:28,000
They contracted with FEC in the early thirties.

749
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:33,000
Okay to haul fruit from here in New York City because they thought they could make some money.

750
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:44,000
It turned out exploded and it actually hired a lot of people from the east coast and expanded business 50 or 100fold.

751
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:55,000
And it put us on the map probably a lot of people that are living here today were lured down here some way shape reform because of those early days but that being said.

752
01:12:55,000 --> 01:13:02,000
You know you can criticize this or not but it's it's an almost perfect scenario for us there is details be worked out.

753
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:24,000
But I urge you to pass this ordinance. I think it's a visionary thing. Everybody all the visionaries are here. Got their stickers on. Right? And it's it's important. I think down the road, when we're all retired, this will be just another link in the chain of all the things that are happening right now with the port, the space center retooling.

754
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:34,000
And city of Koko doing what we're doing. I work 24-7 to make it the best city in Florida, and it will be when I'm done. And I'm here to tell you.

755
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:51,000
Let this happen. Welcome. We're going to succeed together. And my last challenge to the council is this, the commission. This dream to be the best county in the state, the county that everybody looks at is a model.

756
01:15:51,000 --> 01:16:07,000
I know that companies are going to move here in the future because of our train system, because of our people, you know, in our poor and all these things we got going. We're sitting in the sweet spot in history and time.

757
01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:13,000
And I urge you to step forward the visionary and pass this. Thank you very much.

758
01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:16,000
Thank you, sir. Robert Smith.

759
01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:26,000
Morning pressures. My name is Robert Smith. I live in West Melbourne.

760
01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:33,000
I work between 1971 and 2009. I worked as a locomotive engineer for being in a separate way in the Chicago area.

761
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:39,000
I have extensive experience and passed your operation. They work 26 years as a commuter engineer.

762
01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:46,000
I also worked on Amtrak. Additionally, I was an officer for the brotherhood of locomotive engineers.

763
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:50,000
I've been involved in disciplinary hearings and accident investigations.

764
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:55,000
I'm a big fan of passenger trains. I've been a railroader from my entire career.

765
01:16:55,000 --> 01:17:00,000
However, I feel that all aboard Florida is fundamentally flawed.

766
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:06,000
And some of the reasons have already been expressed in the news media.

767
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:10,000
But I think the ridership projections are overstated.

768
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:16,000
I think the benefits of the economy are overstated. However, I know that's typical of any large project.

769
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:21,000
My primary objection to all aboard Florida, regards safety.

770
01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:30,000
And I think the biggest issue I would take with it would be the fact that there will not be a dedicated right away for the passenger trains.

771
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:37,000
When trains are running at high speed, specifically passenger trains need their own set of tracks.

772
01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:47,000
In a primary example of this was the accident happened in Chase, Maryland in 1987, where there were four-conrail, light locomotives that collided with the passenger train.

773
01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:51,000
And we had 14 fatalities, multiple injuries.

774
01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:59,000
As a result of that, Amtrak decided to have separate tracks, separate corridor, for passenger trains in the northeast quarter,

775
01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:01,000
which is a high speed operation.

776
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:07,000
It's also worth noting this accident occurred in the speed of the passenger train with 108 miles per hour.

777
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:13,000
All aboard Florida is proposing to run trains at 110 miles per hour, essentially the same.

778
01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:20,000
I have a picture here. This is the aftermath of Chase, the collision.

779
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:27,000
I think it's instructed to look at it and see what can happen when passenger and freight operations are co-mingled.

780
01:18:27,000 --> 01:18:35,000
It's definitely not the way to go. I think high speed operation is definitely viable for Florida.

781
01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:47,000
However, I feel this is not the best proposal, and I think a true high speed operation with dedicated right away for the passenger trains is the only way to go.

782
01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:52,000
So hopefully we can get it right, we don't need to rush it through.

783
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:58,000
This proposal is flaws. I think eventually though we can get it right, so let's get it right. Thank you.

784
01:18:58,000 --> 01:19:01,000
Thank you, sir. Mitch.

785
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:04,000
We're all by.

786
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:06,000
I can do it wasn't quite true in your last name, sir.

787
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:08,000
We're back here, close.

788
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:13,000
Mitch, we're back. I'm Merit Allen. I'm also the 2014 President of Space Coast Builders.

789
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:16,000
Thanks for allowing me to speak this morning.

790
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:20,000
I'm going to read my notes because I have to read my notes. I won't say what I want to say.

791
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:30,000
But I've been working this for about six months, and I think a lot of this has been a lot of misinformation in which when I first met,

792
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:39,000
we first met with the all board of Florida people. There was no no desire or chance that they were going to build a station in Brevard County.

793
01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:44,000
We heard this over and over until I built a group right together and really started pushing back on that.

794
01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:51,000
And then they say, well, maybe at some point we'll do that. Maybe. I'm a business man and I'm all about what's now, what's fact.

795
01:19:51,000 --> 01:19:54,000
I'm not a big believer in ifs, you know, if it's profitable.

796
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:59,000
We know that there's been no high speed train in the world that's ever been profitable on its own. Never.

797
01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:02,000
So there is no chance if that's the language they're using.

798
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:05,000
That's not the right language to make this happen.

799
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:11,000
I've talked to all the community leaders and I have not had one reason why this is good for Brevard County.

800
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:15,000
I keep hearing that it's going to be in the future or there's nothing.

801
01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:18,000
It's going to take tours and dollars away from us because we'll go from Orlando instead of coming to here.

802
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:22,000
They'll go to Miami. There's no benefit. My immediate will might come up here.

803
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:26,000
I'm going to go to Orlando. We miss a lot of stuff. A lot of potential revenue.

804
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:29,000
And there's a few other reasons that I want to mention here. I'm going to lead these.

805
01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:33,000
Well, I do it property values. Obviously being in real estate we're looking at property values.

806
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:41,000
It's estimated that property values of homes within a thousand feet of these tracks could drop as much as 20% in the valuations.

807
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:43,000
That's a huge issue.

808
01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:45,000
Trust. Obviously.

809
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:50,000
Increasing train traffic from 14 trains a day which we currently have 46 trains a day.

810
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:54,000
That's going to hamper emergency services going across the tracks.

811
01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:56,000
Again, another issue for our citizens.

812
01:20:56,000 --> 01:20:59,000
It does not bring any jobs to Brevard County.

813
01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:03,000
When we're told they told us that it would be hiring local crews to build the tracks.

814
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:07,000
We're going to train a brand new crew every time you move into a new area.

815
01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:09,000
They're not going to change the new crew for real beach.

816
01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:11,000
They're going to have a crew that's going to put together.

817
01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:16,000
And yes, they might hide that three people because two people call it a sick that day.

818
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:19,000
We have to maintain all the crossings.

819
01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:22,000
Again, there's a lot of money out the door for what we don't want to support.

820
01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:25,000
Again, no plans to stop in Brevard County.

821
01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:27,000
That's really my biggest thing.

822
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:30,000
If there's a stop for Brevard County, at least even though there's other issues of factors,

823
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:31,000
at least it'd be a benefit for us.

824
01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:37,000
It'd be jobs created to be as if spoken, having tours and come to us.

825
01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:42,000
But I'm not sure where the hotels and the poor think they're going to get people coming from.

826
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:47,000
There's no one's going to go from Miami to Orlando, Brent to Carr, and come over to Brevard County.

827
01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:49,000
It's not going to happen.

828
01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:52,000
That's all I have to say. Thank you.

829
01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:55,000
We're going to be having Benjamin.

830
01:21:55,000 --> 01:22:01,000
Hop finger followed by ginger, knocks, Jerry,

831
01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:04,000
calendar.

832
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:07,000
That's on the next street.

833
01:22:07,000 --> 01:22:09,000
Good morning.

834
01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:13,000
Benjamin Hop finger, 760, El Dorado Parkway.

835
01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:16,000
I recently, a plantation floor.

836
01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:17,000
Thank you.

837
01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:20,000
Well, I recently graduated from the University of Miami,

838
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:30,000
so I am very aware of the traveling challenges that face most college kids.

839
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:39,000
And, you know, they have told me kids that go to UCF and the University of Miami that it's very difficult.

840
01:22:39,000 --> 01:22:48,000
And they don't go home a lot because of the traffic and just all of the problems that face on the roads.

841
01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:52,000
And I know several, several kids at both of those schools,

842
01:22:52,000 --> 01:23:00,000
and they have said that if there is a train service that goes to and from Miami and Orlando that they would use that.

843
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:04,000
And this would take cars off the road, including in Brevard County.

844
01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:09,000
And this would also take millions, you know, over the course of, you know, several years.

845
01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:10,000
Thank you.

846
01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:11,000
Thank you, sir.

847
01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:21,000
Thank you.

848
01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:24,000
I'm not here to say one way or another if the road is good or not.

849
01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:27,000
Obviously it's bad for me because I don't too properties it about it.

850
01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:29,000
But, you know, I'd like it to be good for me.

851
01:23:29,000 --> 01:23:34,000
I'd like to have quiet zones and I'd like to have the protections that all aboard has promised us.

852
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:39,000
My issue here is the resolution and why it's being heard now.

853
01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:47,000
I'm not sure why it would be heard before the impact city is completed as to how it's going to actually impact our citizens of Brevard County,

854
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:52,000
of the people who are next to the tracks who have the vibration impacts and noise impacts.

855
01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:56,000
And I'm also not sure why the resolution wouldn't include something about quiet zones.

856
01:23:56,000 --> 01:24:01,000
I mean, why are we only including something about the seven year maintenance costs?

857
01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:06,000
The quiet zones are what we really want, everything that I've heard in all the meetings that I've attended, it's all about quiet zones.

858
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:10,000
So I would be giving them the one thing we have control over, which is this resolution.

859
01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:13,000
We have control over nothing else as far as I can see.

860
01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:18,000
So I would be giving them that without asking for the one thing that we all want, which is quiet zones.

861
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:19,000
Thank you.

862
01:24:19,000 --> 01:24:21,000
Mr. Jerry Allender.

863
01:24:21,000 --> 01:24:41,000
Following Mr. Allender will be Martha Wichert, Kate Copner and Terry Fulton.

864
01:24:41,000 --> 01:24:44,000
Good morning.

865
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:46,000
Good morning.

866
01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:48,000
Thank you, Madam Chairman and members of the Commission.

867
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:50,000
It's my pleasure to be here before you.

868
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:51,000
I'm Jerry Allender.

869
01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:54,000
I'm Vice Chairman of the Canaveral Port Authority.

870
01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:59,000
I'm also chairman of the Space Coast Area Transportation Training Organization.

871
01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:04,000
But maybe let me say I'm not here as a spokesman for the TPO.

872
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:09,000
However, I haven't served on the TPO for several years.

873
01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:15,000
Now the TPO is closely followed by all Florida projects.

874
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:18,000
It first was announced.

875
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:25,000
We have had numerous presentations by representative from all of Florida.

876
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:27,000
They've answered questions.

877
01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:29,000
They've given us information.

878
01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:37,000
I believe that the all aboard Florida project is a tremendous opportunity for our county.

879
01:25:37,000 --> 01:25:43,000
Not only to provide, but also the region as well as the state.

880
01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:50,000
Let me point out that the project is at the stage coming through of our county.

881
01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:58,000
There have been previous considerations of high-speed rail transportation between Orlando International Airport and Miami.

882
01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:03,000
Those in the past have followed the turnpike.

883
01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:09,000
So this is an opportunity that they will be coming to Bavarian County through Bavarian County,

884
01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:13,000
which would be a great opportunity for us.

885
01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:22,000
We know that as infrastructure is improved, the development will come.

886
01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:31,000
Our future is important that we consider the economic growth of our area.

887
01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:40,000
The transportation standpoint of Florida coming provides a unique opportunity for Bavarian County,

888
01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:46,000
for the future as well as for the economy of our area.

889
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:56,000
In addition, all aboard Florida will bring 21st century workmanship and technology

890
01:26:57,000 --> 01:27:04,000
and bring a higher level of safety for the rail crossings in Bavarian County.

891
01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:13,000
As was previously mentioned, regarding quiet zones, it does create the opportunity to have quiet zones

892
01:27:13,000 --> 01:27:16,000
through out of our county.

893
01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:25,000
Those of the quiet zone issues are presently being addressed by the various city councils in Bavarian County,

894
01:27:25,000 --> 01:27:31,000
as well as the TPO.

895
01:27:31,000 --> 01:27:42,000
As you know, the Canaveral Port Authority, several meetings a go did pass a resolution supporting all aboard Florida.

896
01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:53,000
And it does, because it does fall within our long range of plans and benefits of passenger service to a work in Avril.

897
01:27:53,000 --> 01:27:59,000
And if I might let me, I'd like to just read a couple of excerpts from that resolution.

898
01:27:59,000 --> 01:28:09,000
The Port Authority finds that this future proposed service by all aboard Florida may well be consistent with future.

899
01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:16,000
And further the Port's master plan for services passenger services in the future.

900
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:29,000
And the Board of Commissioners of Canaveral Port Authority encourages Florida East Coast Industries.

901
01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:38,000
LLC to study and consider the benefits of a future station serving the Vard County and Port Canaveral.

902
01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:45,000
And as mentioned by our CEO of the Canaveral Port, John Marsh.

903
01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:55,000
And of course, I and the other commissioners of the Canaveral Port Authority will be in full support of the Canaveral Port Authority,

904
01:28:55,000 --> 01:29:04,000
helping fund a plan study for the future location of a station in Bavard County.

905
01:29:05,000 --> 01:29:11,000
I think this is a clear opportunity for the county to look forward.

906
01:29:11,000 --> 01:29:15,000
You know, we're all rooted in the present.

907
01:29:15,000 --> 01:29:23,000
But I think it's important that we all look to the future and what will be beneficial to the county and our people.

908
01:29:23,000 --> 01:29:24,000
Thank you very much.

909
01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:30,000
And I owe hardly suggest and recommend that you approve the resolution before you today.

910
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:32,000
Thank you very much.

911
01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:33,000
Thank you, sir.

912
01:29:33,000 --> 01:29:38,000
Martha Woodchurch.

913
01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:47,000
Following Martha Woodchurch will be Kate Katner.

914
01:29:47,000 --> 01:29:51,000
Hi, my name is Martha Woodchurch and I'm a physical therapist in South Florida.

915
01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:53,000
I'm here representing Woodchurch.

916
01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:54,000
What city are you from?

917
01:29:54,000 --> 01:29:55,000
From Plantation, Florida.

918
01:29:55,000 --> 01:29:56,000
Thank you.

919
01:29:56,000 --> 01:29:59,000
And I'm here representing Woodchurch today.

920
01:29:59,000 --> 01:30:00,000
As we all know.

921
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:06,000
I'll floor to 10th to make a statement on a national basis. Whether it be hanging chas, or

922
01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:11,000
stange or ground, or I'm going to do the thing to make an impression on people, and it's

923
01:30:11,000 --> 01:30:16,000
not always what we want. I believe that all aboard Florida will make a statement. At first,

924
01:30:16,000 --> 01:30:22,000
I was not supportive. It wasn't that I was not supportive, it's that I didn't have enough information.

925
01:30:22,000 --> 01:30:28,000
And I think that's the key, correct, accurate information. I did my due diligence, and I think there's

926
01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:34,000
more pros than there are cons. Nothing is perfect, as many people have said.

927
01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:39,000
Another thing that I realized is in doing my research is that communities tend to take on

928
01:30:39,000 --> 01:30:45,000
their own culture, meaning beliefs and actions that they do together, sometimes individually

929
01:30:45,000 --> 01:30:51,000
not realizing it's because of that culture. It also can impact how they look as how they fit

930
01:30:51,000 --> 01:30:57,000
as a community into the bigger picture and how they value paying it forward. I believe that all

931
01:30:57,000 --> 01:31:02,000
aboard Florida is one of the first steps in being able to look beyond the communities and

932
01:31:02,000 --> 01:31:08,000
the communities working together to be able to look at the big picture. Our state, Florida.

933
01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:15,000
They've gone above and beyond on many aspects of this project. And one way that's dear to my

934
01:31:15,000 --> 01:31:20,000
hearts is how they have adapted the train for disabled and people with limited mobility, meaning

935
01:31:21,000 --> 01:31:27,000
someone that doesn't necessarily have a diagnosis, but has limited mobility.

936
01:31:27,000 --> 01:31:32,000
This is a mecca for people that have disabilities because of the nature of the environment

937
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:38,000
to the weather and also because of its recent construction. Many of the ADA requirements are in place

938
01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:45,000
because of the relatively to the rest of the world on the units of the cities here in Florida.

939
01:31:45,000 --> 01:31:52,000
I read that all aboard Florida was the only one of its kind, which I didn't know what that meant.

940
01:31:52,000 --> 01:31:57,000
And my skepticism came out. I did my research. And I wanted to just review some of the things that

941
01:31:57,000 --> 01:32:03,000
they've done way above and beyond what the ADA requires to be able to accommodate those people in Florida

942
01:32:03,000 --> 01:32:10,000
taking into consideration the demographics of our state, the aging population, tourism and business.

943
01:32:10,000 --> 01:32:13,000
It starts before you get on the train.

944
01:32:13,000 --> 01:32:19,000
The stations are all adapted. There's all accessible, whereas many of the other trains that we've done

945
01:32:19,000 --> 01:32:25,000
they're not. There's sporadic stations throughout the state that are adapted.

946
01:32:25,000 --> 01:32:32,000
Getting from the station to the train, we're all familiar if you've taken trains of that 9-inch gap between the platform

947
01:32:32,000 --> 01:32:37,000
and the side of the train. It can be daunting, even to me. It's very daunting, taking the trains in New York.

948
01:32:37,000 --> 01:32:46,000
I always remember that. But for someone that's using a walker or has a wheelchair, that can be extremely daunting.

949
01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:53,000
What all aboard Florida has done, that is one of the kinds, is the construction of what's called a gap extender.

950
01:32:53,000 --> 01:33:00,000
It's an electronic tongue that comes out from the side of the train that adapts to the level. It's a high low.

951
01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:05,000
And in the person can push that, it comes out, it adapts and allows them to move right onto the train.

952
01:33:05,000 --> 01:33:14,000
There's no embarrassment of the conductor coming out, having to put a big metal plate down for the people to be able to get through and over into the train.

953
01:33:14,000 --> 01:33:19,000
Once in the train, all trains are required to have adapted seats.

954
01:33:19,000 --> 01:33:25,000
Oftentimes those are booster seats that fold down, and they actually look like a timeout chair.

955
01:33:25,000 --> 01:33:30,000
And sometimes, right by where the bathroom is, with no view, and they look at the bathroom door.

956
01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:37,000
All aboard Florida has arranged it so that throughout the entire train, there are adapted seats with companion seats.

957
01:33:37,000 --> 01:33:44,000
They're not the booster seat that we've seen before. They're the regular seat that we're all going to be able to enjoy.

958
01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:51,000
And they have the choice of being able to transfer over or not, or lock down their wheelchair. They choose to stay in their wheelchair.

959
01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:58,000
The aisles have been built wide, 32 inches. Most wheelchairs are 24 to 27 inches.

960
01:33:58,000 --> 01:34:06,000
Through the entire train, this allows somebody to be able to go with some kind of a device or a wheelchair through the entire train,

961
01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:12,000
which includes the car with the restaurant wherever they may want to go to see their friends.

962
01:34:12,000 --> 01:34:15,000
They're able to get through, including the gang plank.

963
01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:22,000
That's also daunting. It's an enclosed festival that has a sensor door.

964
01:34:22,000 --> 01:34:26,000
It allows thousands of people to travel that before could not.

965
01:34:26,000 --> 01:34:37,000
I think that all aboard Florida will make a positive statement to the country, and what can be accomplished with communities working together, because that's what it takes.

966
01:34:37,000 --> 01:34:44,000
And they value, and those communities should be able to value how they fit into the big picture and paying it forward. I'm on board.

967
01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:46,000
Thank you. Thank you.

968
01:34:46,000 --> 01:35:06,000
Kate, Hatter, Kate Cotner, followed by Terry Fulton, Jim, Kovasky, and then Lynn Hepley.

969
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:11,000
Good morning. My name is Kate Cotner, and I'm the assistant county attorney with Indian River County.

970
01:35:11,000 --> 01:35:15,000
And I'm here this morning to discuss this resolution that's before you.

971
01:35:15,000 --> 01:35:21,000
Like Brevard County, Indian River County, has a lot of concerns about all aboard Florida, and it's proposed passenger rail project.

972
01:35:21,000 --> 01:35:26,000
One of our main concerns is the lack of information that is out there as to whether or not this is a sustainable project.

973
01:35:26,000 --> 01:35:30,000
None of the less what effect it's going to have on our citizens.

974
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:38,000
Another primary concern is that we do not know it's the exact upgrades that are going to be necessary at each individual crossing.

975
01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:46,000
All aboard Florida expects to release its 90% plan on December 15, 2014, give or take 15 days.

976
01:35:46,000 --> 01:35:53,000
Now, the information that's contained in this 90% plan is vital to making decisions without the crossing agreement that's before you today,

977
01:35:53,000 --> 01:35:56,000
as well as the implementation of quiet zones.

978
01:35:56,000 --> 01:36:06,000
Without knowing the information within the 90% plan, local governments are at a disadvantage, and they're less speculating about what this project is really means to the average citizen.

979
01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:17,000
Not only do we not know what improvements are going to be necessary, but we don't know the costs that these improvements are what's going to mean to the local governments and maintenance costs.

980
01:36:17,000 --> 01:36:20,000
As most of you are aware, there's two different kinds of maintenance costs.

981
01:36:20,000 --> 01:36:25,000
There's the annual maintenance fee, and then there's that major project maintenance fee.

982
01:36:25,000 --> 01:36:32,000
All aboard Florida recently told Indian River County that we can expect to see a 20% increase in our annual maintenance fee.

983
01:36:32,000 --> 01:36:40,000
Well, our staff, any River County staff, has also done some calculations, and it tells quite a different story because that's only half the story.

984
01:36:40,000 --> 01:36:45,000
Currently, this is a point of comparison, any River County has about 30 crossings.

985
01:36:45,000 --> 01:36:50,000
We pay approximately $260,000 a year in annual fees.

986
01:36:50,000 --> 01:37:01,000
Our public works director has crunched some numbers, and he anticipates that it will be an additional $280,000 on annual basis per year.

987
01:37:01,000 --> 01:37:10,000
And please be advised that that number includes the annual maintenance fee as well as the big project and they just broke it down into an annual basis, so we know what to budget for.

988
01:37:10,000 --> 01:37:16,000
Now, this is a calculation based on the equipment as it stands right now.

989
01:37:16,000 --> 01:37:19,000
It's not the sophisticated equipment that's going to be installed.

990
01:37:19,000 --> 01:37:25,000
We don't know how often that's going to break down or what the price tag on the maintenance fee for this sophisticated equipment.

991
01:37:25,000 --> 01:37:33,000
What I can say from this resolution that you guys have the strike through, one can probably predict it's going to be between 8 and 10 years that something's going to break down.

992
01:37:33,000 --> 01:37:36,000
Which brings me to the bond issue before you.

993
01:37:36,000 --> 01:37:39,000
There's just so many unknowns.

994
01:37:39,000 --> 01:37:42,000
It does the US Department of Transportation.

995
01:37:42,000 --> 01:37:50,000
It does this project even qualify for private equity bonds under the US Department of Transportation rules.

996
01:37:50,000 --> 01:37:52,000
We're not sure that it even does.

997
01:37:52,000 --> 01:37:57,000
Also, what's the benefit to Bevard County according to their economic study?

998
01:37:57,000 --> 01:38:01,000
You're going to receive 1,400 give or take jobs.

999
01:38:01,000 --> 01:38:06,000
There's nothing in writing which says that you have to hire Bevard County citizen for this rail project.

1000
01:38:06,000 --> 01:38:08,000
There's nothing in writing.

1001
01:38:08,000 --> 01:38:12,000
Which I wasn't going to address this, but I am now about the additional stop.

1002
01:38:12,000 --> 01:38:16,000
There seems to be this impression that they'll be an additional stop in Bevard County.

1003
01:38:16,000 --> 01:38:22,000
Now, as I'm sure you're aware, there is a contrast between all of our Florida and Florida season it.

1004
01:38:22,000 --> 01:38:26,000
Orlando Orange County Expressway Authority, which is now the Central Florida Expressway Authority.

1005
01:38:26,000 --> 01:38:33,000
Which specifically said there will not be an additional stop between Orlando and West Palm Beach unless we say it's okay.

1006
01:38:33,000 --> 01:38:35,000
And yet there's even more.

1007
01:38:35,000 --> 01:38:39,000
Even if we say it's okay, our bond council has the right to veto this decision.

1008
01:38:39,000 --> 01:38:45,000
Unless you have it in writing that Bevard County is going to get a stop and you have an amendment to that.

1009
01:38:45,000 --> 01:38:48,000
Agreement with the Orlando Orange County Expressway Authority.

1010
01:38:48,000 --> 01:38:53,000
You've got two conflicting promises and ones in writing and it's not yours.

1011
01:38:53,000 --> 01:38:56,000
In closing, I'd like to thank Scott Knox and his staff.

1012
01:38:56,000 --> 01:38:58,000
We have any in-river county.

1013
01:38:58,000 --> 01:39:04,000
Bevard County, St. Lizzie and Martin have worked really closely and collaborating to get to protect our citizens.

1014
01:39:04,000 --> 01:39:06,000
So I just really appreciate the open dialogue.

1015
01:39:06,000 --> 01:39:08,000
I hope that continues in the future.

1016
01:39:08,000 --> 01:39:09,000
Thank you.

1017
01:39:09,000 --> 01:39:10,000
Thank you.

1018
01:39:11,000 --> 01:39:12,000
Terri Foulton.

1019
01:39:16,000 --> 01:39:19,000
File by Jim Coloski.

1020
01:39:19,000 --> 01:39:21,000
Lynn Whippelie.

1021
01:39:27,000 --> 01:39:32,000
I'm furious that I have to be here to protect my community.

1022
01:39:32,000 --> 01:39:34,000
I'm furious.

1023
01:39:34,000 --> 01:39:38,000
I'm furious that y'all would even consider running this train.

1024
01:39:38,000 --> 01:39:40,000
Now I'm here to thank you.

1025
01:39:40,000 --> 01:39:41,000
Terri Foulton.

1026
01:39:41,000 --> 01:39:43,000
Would you like to give your name an address for me?

1027
01:39:43,000 --> 01:39:46,000
I think 1888, Pontiac Circle, Melbourne.

1028
01:39:46,000 --> 01:39:47,000
Thank you.

1029
01:39:50,000 --> 01:39:54,000
There's nothing good about this for us.

1030
01:39:58,000 --> 01:40:04,000
Property values, noise, accidents, costly money.

1031
01:40:04,000 --> 01:40:07,000
Emergency vehicles are going to have trouble.

1032
01:40:07,000 --> 01:40:14,000
I'm reading about the drawbridge's south of us that are too old to be going up and down all the time.

1033
01:40:14,000 --> 01:40:17,000
I'm here in the US Coast Guard, although I can't prove it.

1034
01:40:17,000 --> 01:40:21,000
I expected them to be here today, but apparently they're not.

1035
01:40:21,000 --> 01:40:23,000
It's against this.

1036
01:40:23,000 --> 01:40:25,000
Why?

1037
01:40:25,000 --> 01:40:29,000
Why would we run something like this through our communities?

1038
01:40:29,000 --> 01:40:32,000
Why not run it out west?

1039
01:40:32,000 --> 01:40:35,000
Somewhere.

1040
01:40:36,000 --> 01:40:39,000
I'd like to know why y'all wouldn't consider that.

1041
01:40:39,000 --> 01:40:41,000
Would you consider that?

1042
01:40:41,000 --> 01:40:45,000
Why would you destroy our community?

1043
01:40:45,000 --> 01:40:52,000
These people are talking about convenience for the young and opportunities for the young.

1044
01:40:52,000 --> 01:40:55,000
They're not even from around here.

1045
01:40:55,000 --> 01:40:57,000
It's not going by their house.

1046
01:40:57,000 --> 01:41:04,000
It's not going to cause wrecks and traffic jams and thank God for the people that did have some common sense.

1047
01:41:04,000 --> 01:41:13,000
That talked about the train accident and things that are not kosher that's going on here.

1048
01:41:13,000 --> 01:41:17,000
And I'm wondering if this is about car go that's coming.

1049
01:41:17,000 --> 01:41:20,000
Something is just not right here.

1050
01:41:20,000 --> 01:41:27,000
There's nothing but risk involved in this.

1051
01:41:27,000 --> 01:41:29,000
This is so typical.

1052
01:41:29,000 --> 01:41:32,000
People looking at stuff through rose color glasses.

1053
01:41:32,000 --> 01:41:36,000
I remember when they were going to build a suit kitchen in Barbarna around three schools.

1054
01:41:36,000 --> 01:41:38,000
Apart from where kids go.

1055
01:41:38,000 --> 01:41:42,000
O folks home and everybody thought it was wonderful.

1056
01:41:42,000 --> 01:41:47,000
But thank goodness somebody proved that they were selling drugs there.

1057
01:41:47,000 --> 01:41:51,000
Inside and outside and then the rose color glasses come off.

1058
01:41:51,000 --> 01:41:54,000
I hope y'all have to come soft.

1059
01:41:54,000 --> 01:42:07,000
I'm understanding that this group will not release their right or information.

1060
01:42:07,000 --> 01:42:10,000
I find that very strange.

1061
01:42:10,000 --> 01:42:13,000
Who's going to write how many they're not releasing that.

1062
01:42:13,000 --> 01:42:16,000
They're holding that back for some reason.

1063
01:42:16,000 --> 01:42:19,000
This makes no sense at all.

1064
01:42:19,000 --> 01:42:25,000
This is like dumping a cargo of rattlesnakes in a kindergarten.

1065
01:42:25,000 --> 01:42:28,000
Why would you do it to us?

1066
01:42:28,000 --> 01:42:31,000
Why?

1067
01:42:31,000 --> 01:42:35,000
I don't think y'all have a clue of what's coming.

1068
01:42:35,000 --> 01:42:37,000
Thank you.

1069
01:42:37,000 --> 01:42:39,000
Mr. Jim.

1070
01:42:39,000 --> 01:42:40,000
Cova.

1071
01:42:40,000 --> 01:42:42,000
Let's see.

1072
01:42:42,000 --> 01:42:49,000
I take full responsible.

1073
01:42:49,000 --> 01:42:50,000
You did very well.

1074
01:42:50,000 --> 01:42:53,000
Good morning.

1075
01:42:53,000 --> 01:42:55,000
Good to see you all this morning.

1076
01:42:55,000 --> 01:42:56,000
Thank you for the opportunity.

1077
01:42:56,000 --> 01:42:57,000
Jim Cova.

1078
01:42:57,000 --> 01:42:58,000
169.5.

1079
01:42:58,000 --> 01:42:59,000
133th.

1080
01:42:59,000 --> 01:43:00,000
North.

1081
01:43:00,000 --> 01:43:01,000
Jupiter.

1082
01:43:01,000 --> 01:43:02,000
Florida.

1083
01:43:02,000 --> 01:43:06,000
I've driven about a hundred miles this morning because a lot of people say,

1084
01:43:06,000 --> 01:43:09,000
there's no benefit to my community.

1085
01:43:09,000 --> 01:43:11,000
And that's not what this project is about.

1086
01:43:11,000 --> 01:43:14,000
This project is about benefit to the state.

1087
01:43:14,000 --> 01:43:17,000
And what benefits the state benefits all of us.

1088
01:43:17,000 --> 01:43:19,000
And I understand Terry is scared.

1089
01:43:19,000 --> 01:43:24,000
And if you listen to everything that the nature say about this project,

1090
01:43:24,000 --> 01:43:26,000
there's no way you can go forward.

1091
01:43:26,000 --> 01:43:33,000
Luckily, what they're pedaling is scare tactics that don't stand up to scrutiny.

1092
01:43:33,000 --> 01:43:36,000
And I want to go over a couple of them.

1093
01:43:36,000 --> 01:43:38,000
The biggest one that I hear all the time is emergency vehicles.

1094
01:43:38,000 --> 01:43:41,000
Emergency vehicles won't get through.

1095
01:43:41,000 --> 01:43:45,000
I want to know why in towns in the treasure coast.

1096
01:43:45,000 --> 01:43:50,000
This will be a problem when it's not a problem anywhere else in the country.

1097
01:43:50,000 --> 01:43:53,000
Today, try rail.

1098
01:43:53,000 --> 01:43:59,000
Will run 50 plus trains a day through West Palm Beach Miami Fort Lauderdale.

1099
01:43:59,000 --> 01:44:01,000
All much more populated areas than this.

1100
01:44:01,000 --> 01:44:05,000
All with a lot more traffic and a lot more emergency vehicles.

1101
01:44:05,000 --> 01:44:07,000
And there are people don't die.

1102
01:44:07,000 --> 01:44:12,000
And yet people are going to die here because there will be 30 trains a day that block crossings

1103
01:44:12,000 --> 01:44:15,000
for a total of 90 seconds an hour.

1104
01:44:15,000 --> 01:44:17,000
Less than the length of one traffic light.

1105
01:44:17,000 --> 01:44:20,000
I've been in first response.

1106
01:44:20,000 --> 01:44:21,000
I've been a firefighter.

1107
01:44:21,000 --> 01:44:27,000
The biggest issue you ever have getting to a hospital is drivers that are too self-absorbed

1108
01:44:27,000 --> 01:44:29,000
to get out of your way.

1109
01:44:29,000 --> 01:44:33,000
That's what we need to fix.

1110
01:44:33,000 --> 01:44:34,000
Property values going down.

1111
01:44:34,000 --> 01:44:36,000
They love the yellow screen about this.

1112
01:44:36,000 --> 01:44:44,000
There has not been a study that shows where passenger trains are added to an existing in-use railroad track

1113
01:44:44,000 --> 01:44:46,000
that the values have been affected.

1114
01:44:46,000 --> 01:44:50,000
There are realtors who claim it, but nobody can prove it.

1115
01:44:50,000 --> 01:44:55,000
Now, they have some anecdotal evidence at the moment that people are selling.

1116
01:44:55,000 --> 01:44:59,000
Well, that's the fear that they are instilling in people is making that happen.

1117
01:44:59,000 --> 01:45:00,000
It's become...

1118
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:08,080
Being a self-fulfilling prophecy. The picture of a train wreck. Yes, when train wrecks happen, just like

1119
01:45:08,080 --> 01:45:14,320
when airplanes crash. You see pictures, their big news, because they don't happen frequently. We

1120
01:45:14,320 --> 01:45:19,920
don't see the pictures of the thousands of people, I believe it's about 40,000 people a year,

1121
01:45:19,920 --> 01:45:26,240
that are killed on our freeways. The most dangerous thing I did today was driving here. And,

1122
01:45:26,240 --> 01:45:31,680
of course, I'd like to get back on 95 to go home. I wish I did to have to. I heard someone said,

1123
01:45:31,680 --> 01:45:36,640
the Coast Guard has come out against us. No. The Coast Guard has not issued an opinion. People say

1124
01:45:36,640 --> 01:45:41,440
this is all about freight. If this were about freight, they don't need to spend hundreds of millions

1125
01:45:41,440 --> 01:45:49,920
of dollars to build passenger stations. They don't need to have a right of way to Orlando that they are prohibited

1126
01:45:49,920 --> 01:45:56,000
from running freight on. Will an additional track help freight? Well, of course it would.

1127
01:45:56,000 --> 01:46:01,440
But additional tracks do not make additional trains. The trains will be there whether or not there's

1128
01:46:01,440 --> 01:46:07,840
another track. Additional tracks make the existing trains run more efficiently and actually less

1129
01:46:07,840 --> 01:46:16,320
in your wait time at crossings. Additional tracks do not equal additional trains. Someone said,

1130
01:46:16,320 --> 01:46:21,680
a dedicated right away? Yes, that would be an ideal situation. Nobody has the money to pay for that.

1131
01:46:21,680 --> 01:46:28,000
Can you imagine what it would take to try and make a new 250 mile right away along the state of Florida?

1132
01:46:28,000 --> 01:46:34,960
It would never get done. We need to move forward. This country needs to move forward and Florida needs

1133
01:46:34,960 --> 01:46:41,600
to take the lead. There are other states already watching us to do the same thing. We can be the leader.

1134
01:46:41,600 --> 01:46:48,960
This project can be done. It has so much benefit to the state and I hope you approve the measure. Thank you.

1135
01:46:48,960 --> 01:47:00,720
Thank you, sir. Lynn. Well, please. Follow by Rich Trabany. Demetrius Avila. Benita Jameson.

1136
01:47:02,480 --> 01:47:08,400
Lynn Welpley, 560 Jupiter, Brawler, Vard, Pompeii, Florida. I think you remember Commissioner. We had a little

1137
01:47:08,960 --> 01:47:16,960
talk about our beautiful Pompeii roads. Anyway, wow, it's a hard place where you guys sit. I hear the controversy.

1138
01:47:16,960 --> 01:47:25,040
I hear it all. I appreciate the people from other counties coming up and telling us what we should do. It benefits them.

1139
01:47:26,320 --> 01:47:31,200
But when you really think about it, it's about money and that's really where it hits us.

1140
01:47:31,200 --> 01:47:41,040
I know that the A.A.F. did a great job of making their train stations A.D.A. for the disability

1141
01:47:41,040 --> 01:47:48,080
acts. They're good. But make it known that there is no train stop here in Brvard. Nor is there one that's

1142
01:47:48,080 --> 01:47:55,040
to be scheduled because they cannot make money, which this is a private organization. They need to be

1143
01:47:55,120 --> 01:48:02,880
profitable. They cannot make money by stopping anywhere. They have to make money by taking the tourists

1144
01:48:02,880 --> 01:48:09,600
from Orlando and getting them to Miami in three hours. That's their goal. That's their mission.

1145
01:48:10,160 --> 01:48:18,880
If they have to stop along the way, then they're losing money. Ironically, this morning, you all spoke on

1146
01:48:19,680 --> 01:48:24,240
and forgive me for not knowing the details. I wasn't paying attention. But I think you approved an

1147
01:48:24,240 --> 01:48:32,320
advertising marketing campaign for our tourist council. I wonder where the tourist council is today

1148
01:48:32,320 --> 01:48:39,600
because they understand that the tourists, all of the tourists who come internationally, locally, anywhere,

1149
01:48:39,600 --> 01:48:47,440
they come into Orlando. They play in Disney a couple days and then they'd rent a car and they take

1150
01:48:47,440 --> 01:48:54,560
the beach line to Coco and they come to our beaches and they might even spend a night or two there

1151
01:48:54,560 --> 01:49:01,040
and they're going to enjoy Brvard County. That's our tourism money. Now what we're planning on doing

1152
01:49:01,040 --> 01:49:08,000
if we agree to this train is to take these tourists who come into Orlando and put them in a plane.

1153
01:49:08,800 --> 01:49:14,720
I mean in a train and make them go a hundred miles an hour through Brvard County, which Commissioner

1154
01:49:14,720 --> 01:49:19,440
just mentioned earlier that we don't a lot of people don't know Brvard County at all. They're

1155
01:49:19,440 --> 01:49:24,640
really not going to know it now because they're going to go through it a hundred miles an hour down to Miami and

1156
01:49:24,640 --> 01:49:29,840
that's where our tourists are going to go and because you're looking to want to go to Miami. Everybody knows

1157
01:49:29,840 --> 01:49:39,040
Miami, nobody really knows Brvard. We actually have an overflow of tourism from Orlando and I understand

1158
01:49:39,120 --> 01:49:48,240
that Mr. Flagler's dream about the train going through, but it's our pockets. I understand we

1159
01:49:48,240 --> 01:49:54,400
might not, we don't pay back this bond, but eventually we have to maintain all that all of the

1160
01:49:54,400 --> 01:50:02,640
track cross things. That's going to be a county or a city thing. I just don't see any benefit for Brvard

1161
01:50:02,640 --> 01:50:08,640
County. I see benefit for Florida, yes, but you know what? I'm paying taxes here and Brvard. Brvard is

1162
01:50:08,640 --> 01:50:16,480
my home. As a realtor, I also am for property rights and if you can think of all the houses

1163
01:50:16,480 --> 01:50:22,240
that are along the track now and they'll be having two trains going a hundred miles an hour behind their

1164
01:50:22,240 --> 01:50:31,840
house. I don't see the benefit for us. I see the controversy for the decision, but I really don't see

1165
01:50:31,840 --> 01:50:37,840
how this can benefit us at all. Let me see, I wrote some notes on the back of my card so that I could

1166
01:50:37,840 --> 01:50:47,840
remember. Somebody mentioned that Brvard County is a sweet spot. I totally agree. I moved here in 2001.

1167
01:50:47,840 --> 01:50:55,280
I love it here. It's all Florida needs to be not being crowded, but still having that down home feeling,

1168
01:50:55,280 --> 01:51:01,840
but the sweet spot will not be a stop on this railway way. We have to understand that. We're going

1169
01:51:01,840 --> 01:51:08,080
to have to pay for it, but it won't help us at all. It's going to take money away from our county.

1170
01:51:08,080 --> 01:51:13,840
And thank you for giving me this time. Thank you. Mr. Charona?

1171
01:51:13,840 --> 01:51:38,160
Well, the passing is out. Next, we'll be demetrious villa. Benita Jameson, Darfus

1172
01:51:38,160 --> 01:51:41,160
Vina, and then Fred McMillan.

1173
01:51:44,160 --> 01:51:48,160
Okay, Richard Charbonnell, satellite beach Florida.

1174
01:51:51,160 --> 01:51:55,160
I think I'm going to be probably the only person

1175
01:51:55,160 --> 01:51:57,160
in the room that agrees with me, maybe two other people.

1176
01:51:57,160 --> 01:52:00,160
That's fine. I usually work out that way.

1177
01:52:00,160 --> 01:52:05,160
I had a conversation with my friend, Scott Ellis,

1178
01:52:05,160 --> 01:52:09,160
actually by email, and both of us agree,

1179
01:52:09,160 --> 01:52:12,160
and then we also got Michael Ward from CSX,

1180
01:52:12,160 --> 01:52:15,160
and Warren Buffett agrees with the same thing.

1181
01:52:15,160 --> 01:52:18,160
So we got four of us that agreed with this.

1182
01:52:18,160 --> 01:52:25,160
I want you to imagine six high speed trains on the track at the same time,

1183
01:52:25,160 --> 01:52:30,160
but haven't four or five freight trains on the track at the same time also.

1184
01:52:30,160 --> 01:52:32,160
That cannot happen.

1185
01:52:32,160 --> 01:52:34,160
There's no place to pull over.

1186
01:52:34,160 --> 01:52:36,160
I mean, this is nonsense.

1187
01:52:36,160 --> 01:52:40,160
The man that was a railroad expert, I get didn't miss that.

1188
01:52:40,160 --> 01:52:41,160
I missed his name.

1189
01:52:41,160 --> 01:52:44,160
But he said if it was a dedicated rail for the high speed,

1190
01:52:44,160 --> 01:52:48,160
and then for another rail for the freight that he could go along

1191
01:52:48,160 --> 01:52:50,160
with it, like hardly agree with him,

1192
01:52:50,160 --> 01:52:54,160
but you can't run high speed and low speed on the track at the same time.

1193
01:52:54,160 --> 01:52:58,160
Because there's no passing lane to pass the other train.

1194
01:52:58,160 --> 01:53:00,160
Or is there a place to pull over?

1195
01:53:00,160 --> 01:53:04,160
Yeah, eventually, when you run in six trains on the track at the same time,

1196
01:53:04,160 --> 01:53:06,160
plus four or five freight trains,

1197
01:53:06,160 --> 01:53:08,160
they run into each other.

1198
01:53:08,160 --> 01:53:12,160
This is from Michael Ward.

1199
01:53:12,160 --> 01:53:16,160
He's the CEO of CSX.

1200
01:53:16,160 --> 01:53:20,160
To say it again, passenger rail can only operate

1201
01:53:20,160 --> 01:53:22,160
with government subsidies.

1202
01:53:22,160 --> 01:53:24,160
Frate rail is profitable.

1203
01:53:24,160 --> 01:53:28,160
The United States has the role's best freight rail operations.

1204
01:53:28,160 --> 01:53:32,160
Why would the freight rail operations tolerate intrusion of money?

1205
01:53:32,160 --> 01:53:34,160
Losing freight rail systems?

1206
01:53:34,160 --> 01:53:39,160
Losing freight rail systems that impede their own business plans.

1207
01:53:39,160 --> 01:53:42,160
It's another example of the government willfully exceeding

1208
01:53:42,160 --> 01:53:44,160
the kill-ease that lay the golden egg.

1209
01:53:44,160 --> 01:53:49,160
Michael Ward, Mincestinal Ward's passenger rail doesn't make money.

1210
01:53:49,160 --> 01:53:52,160
That's why private investors will shine it.

1211
01:53:52,160 --> 01:53:55,160
A realistic look at the problem, tell us who that passenger rail

1212
01:53:55,160 --> 01:53:58,160
cannot be in business a proposition.

1213
01:53:58,160 --> 01:54:04,160
In fact, it can be harmful to freight rail, which is a successful business.

1214
01:54:04,160 --> 01:54:09,160
They can't separate, they can't square a circle.

1215
01:54:09,160 --> 01:54:14,160
This is why they keep fudging the numbers to make it look like they can build a highly

1216
01:54:14,160 --> 01:54:20,160
profitable passenger rail system that pays for itself or even has returns on a business.

1217
01:54:20,160 --> 01:54:27,160
And that's why there is a version after one after another after another.

1218
01:54:27,160 --> 01:54:34,160
That's what keeps the funding from Washington mean mindless, pointless promises.

1219
01:54:34,160 --> 01:54:39,160
What we are asking for, the rail authority, is to sign their own debt for it.

1220
01:54:39,160 --> 01:54:44,160
He goes on, I'm a corporation, I exist to make money okay, Ward.

1221
01:54:44,160 --> 01:54:50,160
I said, today in the interview at Bloomberg, you can't make money all in passengers.

1222
01:54:50,160 --> 01:54:52,160
So why would I want to do that?

1223
01:54:52,160 --> 01:54:54,160
It wouldn't be fair to my shareholders.

1224
01:54:54,160 --> 01:55:00,160
CSX is the largest railroad in the United States by revenue.

1225
01:55:00,160 --> 01:55:05,160
While moving people by train may make sense for society.

1226
01:55:05,160 --> 01:55:13,160
But passenger trains traveling faster than 90 miles an hour, share the tracks with freight train.

1227
01:55:13,160 --> 01:55:17,160
Doesn't make business sense at work.

1228
01:55:17,160 --> 01:55:21,160
Who's Jacksonville, Florida owns 21,000 miles.

1229
01:55:21,160 --> 01:55:24,160
He's the same Lewis.

1230
01:55:24,160 --> 01:55:32,160
Putting high speed rail trains on freight lines is not practical because the curvature and the elevation of the freight rails.

1231
01:55:32,160 --> 01:55:34,160
Tracks cannot support the trains.

1232
01:55:34,160 --> 01:55:37,160
Operating at higher speeds in 90 miles an hour.

1233
01:55:37,160 --> 01:55:42,160
Those trains should run on separate tracks which may cost tens of billions of dollars.

1234
01:55:42,160 --> 01:55:44,160
To build.

1235
01:55:44,160 --> 01:55:47,160
I still got a few seconds here.

1236
01:55:47,160 --> 01:55:53,160
One of the other meetings, Commissioner Anderson made a comment about the 1500 jobs.

1237
01:55:53,160 --> 01:55:56,160
He didn't really say it the way I would have said it.

1238
01:55:56,160 --> 01:55:59,160
But I mean, come on, both 50 and our jobs are not coming here.

1239
01:55:59,160 --> 01:56:02,160
To install rail is a specialized crew.

1240
01:56:02,160 --> 01:56:05,160
And he's just blowing smoke up our rear end.

1241
01:56:05,160 --> 01:56:08,160
That's just nonsense.

1242
01:56:08,160 --> 01:56:13,160
And my closing argument will be they say they may stop here.

1243
01:56:13,160 --> 01:56:16,160
May come in a break.

1244
01:56:16,160 --> 01:56:18,160
Thank you.

1245
01:56:18,160 --> 01:56:19,160
Okay.

1246
01:56:19,160 --> 01:56:21,160
Demetrius Villa.

1247
01:56:21,160 --> 01:56:26,160
Thank you.

1248
01:56:26,160 --> 01:56:28,160
Thank you.

1249
01:56:28,160 --> 01:56:30,160
My name is Demetrius Villa.

1250
01:56:30,160 --> 01:56:33,160
I'm from 1980 Northeast Miami Gardens Drive.

1251
01:56:33,160 --> 01:56:34,160
North Miami Beach, Florida.

1252
01:56:34,160 --> 01:56:37,160
I represent Florida International University, all aboard Florida.

1253
01:56:37,160 --> 01:56:40,160
And also the high speed rail America club.

1254
01:56:40,160 --> 01:56:44,160
I want to say a quote from Mark Twain, where he said that history doesn't repeat itself.

1255
01:56:44,160 --> 01:56:45,160
But it sure does rhyme.

1256
01:56:45,160 --> 01:56:50,160
And I want to reference from the agenda of the Brevard County Historical Commission,

1257
01:56:50,160 --> 01:56:54,160
where they said Brevard commercial fishing industry was started in the early 1880s.

1258
01:56:54,160 --> 01:57:00,160
When George W. Skoby arrived in Titusville and became harvesting oysters from the Indian River.

1259
01:57:00,160 --> 01:57:06,160
His inaugural shipment of five gallons of oysters left Titusville on the first train on the new railroad

1260
01:57:06,160 --> 01:57:08,160
in January 1886.

1261
01:57:08,160 --> 01:57:12,160
Now, from here, they just see the railroad bond the country together.

1262
01:57:12,160 --> 01:57:17,160
And from what I'm seeing, we need to all live in the past, the present and the future.

1263
01:57:17,160 --> 01:57:20,160
And what I represent here is the future of Florida.

1264
01:57:20,160 --> 01:57:23,160
And we need to see what we're Florida stand for.

1265
01:57:23,160 --> 01:57:29,160
Brevard County and for Miami Day from West Palm Beach and every other county here in Florida.

1266
01:57:29,160 --> 01:57:34,160
We all need to stand together into helping this and to bring this interpretation.

1267
01:57:34,160 --> 01:57:37,160
And what is Florida also going to stand for for the rest of the United States?

1268
01:57:37,160 --> 01:57:40,160
Are we going to be continuing to be a joke called Florida?

1269
01:57:40,160 --> 01:57:41,160
And no, we cannot do that.

1270
01:57:41,160 --> 01:57:43,160
We have to be Florida does.

1271
01:57:43,160 --> 01:57:44,160
Florida does.

1272
01:57:44,160 --> 01:57:45,160
We do stuff here.

1273
01:57:45,160 --> 01:57:50,160
And we're going to be the leaders of not only just in America, but also for the world, as long as we need to stand for.

1274
01:57:50,160 --> 01:57:56,160
We cannot be the laughing stock of the world where Japan has trains that go 200 miles an hour in Germany and France and Italy.

1275
01:57:56,160 --> 01:57:57,160
And what do we stuck here?

1276
01:57:57,160 --> 01:58:02,160
If incompetent and abstract, no, we have to start with privatized rails.

1277
01:58:02,160 --> 01:58:08,160
It has been where America has started from the privatized rail after the dissolution of the Civil War.

1278
01:58:08,160 --> 01:58:14,160
But we all grand it together and we made the transcontinental railroad and we can happen to do this again.

1279
01:58:14,160 --> 01:58:18,160
And we also need to point out what will our children inherit here in Florida?

1280
01:58:18,160 --> 01:58:22,160
What will become the generation of the future because time always keeps moving forward?

1281
01:58:22,160 --> 01:58:25,160
And we cannot stand on self-interest.

1282
01:58:25,160 --> 01:58:29,160
So I implore you just not only the board, but also for all Floridians here.

1283
01:58:29,160 --> 01:58:34,160
And for everyone here who is American to stand for all of the board, Florida, to stand for the future.

1284
01:58:34,160 --> 01:58:35,160
I thank you.

1285
01:58:35,160 --> 01:58:36,160
Sir.

1286
01:58:40,160 --> 01:58:42,160
Benita Jameson.

1287
01:58:51,160 --> 01:58:54,160
Good morning. Thank you for allowing me to speak.

1288
01:58:54,160 --> 01:58:56,160
My name is Benita Jameson.

1289
01:58:56,160 --> 01:59:01,160
I live at 2557 Boyd Avenue in Melbourne, Florida.

1290
01:59:01,160 --> 01:59:08,160
I truly support all aboard Florida for several reasons.

1291
01:59:08,160 --> 01:59:14,160
I feel that it is going to be good for Florida.

1292
01:59:14,160 --> 01:59:17,160
It is going to be good for Brevard County.

1293
01:59:17,160 --> 01:59:20,160
We have to look towards the future.

1294
01:59:20,160 --> 01:59:22,160
We cannot always look at the past.

1295
01:59:22,160 --> 01:59:30,160
We cannot look for our own self-interest, but the interests of our future children.

1296
01:59:30,160 --> 01:59:36,160
For the interests of the future.

1297
01:59:36,160 --> 01:59:42,160
If we stay stagnant, we will die.

1298
01:59:42,160 --> 01:59:49,160
If we stay stagnant, we will never achieve what we should achieve.

1299
01:59:49,160 --> 01:59:51,160
Thank you very much.

1300
01:59:51,160 --> 01:59:53,160
Okay.

1301
01:59:53,160 --> 01:59:55,160
Darfith Zina.

1302
01:59:59,160 --> 02:00:00,160
Darfith.

1303
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:13,000
Vina? I am so sorry. Thank you.

1304
02:00:13,000 --> 02:00:20,000
My address is 1980 Northeast Miami Gardens Drive. I have autism that stops me from driving.

1305
02:00:20,000 --> 02:00:29,000
High speed rail will benefit not just me, but everyone as well in a faster, safer way that will reduce our world, rank, car deaths

1306
02:00:29,000 --> 02:00:39,000
and effects on the environment caused by high pollution. Low environmental impact also means good for me, everyone, and good for the beautiful environment of Florida.

1307
02:00:39,000 --> 02:00:48,000
It would also increase tourism that means better for beaches, resorts, cruise lines, water parks and theme parks.

1308
02:00:48,000 --> 02:00:58,000
Thank you. Mr. Brad Mcmillan.

1309
02:00:58,000 --> 02:01:06,000
And after Mr. McMillan will talk of Eborah.

1310
02:01:06,000 --> 02:01:14,000
Angie Martinez and Jim Handley.

1311
02:01:14,000 --> 02:01:27,000
Excuse me. Good morning, my name is Fred Mcmillan. I am a resident of Bervard County. I live at 508 North, US Highway 1, formerly at 419 North, 1770, Florida.

1312
02:01:27,000 --> 02:01:40,000
I was originally on the trial rail discussion and developed in Broward County, and I worked with the Roward County Commission during this study of the beginning of trial rail.

1313
02:01:40,000 --> 02:01:55,000
I appreciate the lobbyists for all of board fraud. They're having all these wonderful people here, and I know there's quite a bit of money to lobby this board to say no.

1314
02:01:55,000 --> 02:02:11,000
I have a yes, and I also have a no. I would like to encourage the Bar County Commissioners to make sure you have a voice when this project gets started because undoubtedly it is.

1315
02:02:11,000 --> 02:02:23,000
Because it's evident here in this audience today that somebody has spent some money to get some people from all over Florida to come here and say what they think.

1316
02:02:23,000 --> 02:02:30,000
Provard County should do. Okay, that's all well and good. This is still a democratic society.

1317
02:02:30,000 --> 02:02:39,000
And we have the ability to differentiate between what we are being told to do and what's good for us.

1318
02:02:39,000 --> 02:02:47,000
They need to make sure they do the study that they promised that they would do when this project first started.

1319
02:02:47,000 --> 02:02:55,000
It was to go back to the drawing board and see what benefits Broward County. They have not done that.

1320
02:02:55,000 --> 02:03:02,000
I don't see it coming. I don't see it coming soon. It may eventually get there.

1321
02:03:02,000 --> 02:03:12,000
But what at expense are we going to have the sacrifice? Yes, we need rail service. Yes, we need transportation for the public.

1322
02:03:12,000 --> 02:03:20,000
Yes, the disadvantaged people who don't have a car who can't drive, who has no other alternative.

1323
02:03:20,000 --> 02:03:31,000
But to spend $150 in a taxi to get to Orlando Airport. Yes, we have to have some type of system produced in this county.

1324
02:03:31,000 --> 02:03:42,000
Now, you'll have to excuse my passion because I've been in this room too many times lobbying for the disadvantaged people of the Park County to do something about public transportation.

1325
02:03:42,000 --> 02:03:56,000
And it's not just all about Florida. It's the streets. It's the city of Tilesville. It's the city of Port St. John. It's the city of Melbourne. We need public transportation.

1326
02:03:56,000 --> 02:04:08,000
And you regardless of how many dollars are spent to put all aboard Florida in place. We need to start somewhere else. Yes, we need rail service.

1327
02:04:08,000 --> 02:04:14,000
Well, I'm tracking it doing too good. But they are experienced.

1328
02:04:14,000 --> 02:04:23,000
And they have a lot of trains already adapted to anybody that wants to get on there with the future. I write it all time.

1329
02:04:23,000 --> 02:04:40,000
Now, if all aboard Florida has all these fabulous facilities, where is the train station that is in existence today that has a disadvantage accessibility, a ramp from my walker to come up and walk onto a train.

1330
02:04:40,000 --> 02:04:50,000
There are none. And they haven't produced the study to produce it. But we might as well get ready. They are coming.

1331
02:04:50,000 --> 02:04:57,000
All aboard Florida is coming. I've had my spiritual advice. I have to bring it to my attention. This is going to happen.

1332
02:04:57,000 --> 02:05:04,000
I don't care how much we sit here and puke, have diarrhea. All of the place about saying no.

1333
02:05:04,000 --> 02:05:19,000
Excuse me. But I'm serious. We need to take a good look at what they are doing and the special interest groups that have provided all these people from all over Florida to come here

1334
02:05:19,000 --> 02:05:30,000
and tell us no. So here we go to what we say, how passionate I feel. Public transportation is needed.

1335
02:05:30,000 --> 02:05:36,000
We need to look to the future. Rail service is that possibility that we really need.

1336
02:05:36,000 --> 02:05:45,000
But why go to Orlando? What about from the port say to Jacksonville? Then come to Orlando.

1337
02:05:45,000 --> 02:05:51,000
Come through here. Please do. Come through here. But give us a chance to get some money too.

1338
02:05:51,000 --> 02:05:56,000
We want to make some money. We want to get jobs. We want everything else that everybody is screaming for.

1339
02:05:56,000 --> 02:06:03,000
But you promise us this. But you don't write, put it in writing. Put the train. Don't go to Orlando.

1340
02:06:03,000 --> 02:06:08,000
They get Disney, Universal and Seaworks support. Any effort they want.

1341
02:06:08,000 --> 02:06:13,000
Thank you, sir.

1342
02:06:13,000 --> 02:06:19,000
And the last name.

1343
02:06:19,000 --> 02:06:22,000
All right. Good morning.

1344
02:06:22,000 --> 02:06:26,000
Tolga or Borough Florida International University Honors College, 3740.

1345
02:06:26,000 --> 02:06:32,000
That's the important avenue throughout Florida. And also officer of the High Speed Rail American Club at FIU.

1346
02:06:32,000 --> 02:06:45,000
I believe that all of Borough Florida should benefit. And I believe that this proposition should be supported to encourage bonds on the corridor through Brevard County.

1347
02:06:45,000 --> 02:06:55,000
As a college student, many of us costumes are known for being pretty much, I don't know, sometimes irresponsible behind the wheel.

1348
02:06:55,000 --> 02:07:00,000
Some people text and drive. And I believe that all of Borough Florida as it provides an alternative.

1349
02:07:00,000 --> 02:07:10,000
It provides an alternative to that by having people writing, which would reduce safety risk at the current, the inner states and other roadways.

1350
02:07:10,000 --> 02:07:16,000
College students that would travel between UCF and Orlando, which is about 40 miles away.

1351
02:07:16,000 --> 02:07:25,000
And some of the universities that are scattered across the corridor such as Florida, Atlantic University, Florida, and National University, which is accessible by mass transit from Miami.

1352
02:07:25,000 --> 02:07:37,000
And the University of Miami can also benefit not only for tourism nor vacations and seeing their family and going to the theme parks, but also provide that there's a stop in Brevard County, which I will get to in a moment.

1353
02:07:37,000 --> 02:07:48,000
Can benefit from the research opportunities with organizations such as NASA and even the Port Authority in its hospitality and logistics departments.

1354
02:07:48,000 --> 02:08:00,000
Economics implies that you would do anything where marginal benefits exceeds marginal costs, or is at least acceptable, or greater than or equal to marginal costs.

1355
02:08:00,000 --> 02:08:10,000
And even though all of Borough Florida is offering its core product, which is a three hour service from Miami, to Orlando, which is undisputed between West Palm Beach and Orlando.

1356
02:08:10,000 --> 02:08:16,000
Anything else or another service, I mean, this does not limit them from adding a stop at Brevard.

1357
02:08:16,000 --> 02:08:25,000
So any other service can come in and provide stops in Brevard County that can benefit the communities in this area.

1358
02:08:25,000 --> 02:08:36,000
And also there's been talked that property values are going to be pretty much decreased once all the board Florida kicks in.

1359
02:08:36,000 --> 02:08:44,000
Now let me tell you this, there is a vacant lot in Delray Beach, Florida adjacent to the Triro corridor.

1360
02:08:44,000 --> 02:08:50,000
And what in organ is what a business is planning to do with that is developed that corridor.

1361
02:08:50,000 --> 02:08:59,000
I'm sorry, that vacant lot into apartments and to real estate for college students and people of my age and of the future generations.

1362
02:08:59,000 --> 02:09:08,000
That can benefit from access to tribal in order to get to Florida, landing in the university and all the other places that scatter the South Florida metropolitan region.

1363
02:09:08,000 --> 02:09:21,000
Now that is to say that communities across the Treasure Coast, which is for peer steward, co-go, Melbourne, etc, can also benefit from housing and real estate located adjacent to the corridor in that.

1364
02:09:21,000 --> 02:09:33,000
The board Florida or any sub-service of it that serves local areas instead of the faster express service can serve those areas.

1365
02:09:33,000 --> 02:09:46,000
And with all that said, I do ask you the please support the bonds that all the board Florida and the FCC is putting forward before you today and I thank you for your time.

1366
02:09:46,000 --> 02:09:48,000
Thank you, sir.

1367
02:09:48,000 --> 02:10:01,000
Good morning. My name is Angel Martinez. I am a F.I.U. Hospitality Management Guards student.

1368
02:10:01,000 --> 02:10:07,000
I was an organ planning student in New York City and and where are you from sir?

1369
02:10:07,000 --> 02:10:12,000
I live at 80 30, so I was with 19th Street, Miami, Florida.

1370
02:10:12,000 --> 02:10:27,000
I was raised in Florida, my life went to New York and I would like to speak first about the hospitality research that I've done and then also my personal experience in New York because I think it was an interesting relates to this.

1371
02:10:27,000 --> 02:10:40,000
The demographics are changing, okay. That is the buzz word in the hospitality grader school. Both the young people and the baby boom generation, just retiring is fundamental difference that the people that retired before.

1372
02:10:40,000 --> 02:10:52,000
The baby boomers have lived an international life. They are retiring in places where they want to continue that active lifestyle and they also want to be connected to the world.

1373
02:10:52,000 --> 02:11:01,000
They only necessarily want to live in a skyscraper, although a lot of them are returning to New York City, but they also want to continue to be active.

1374
02:11:01,000 --> 02:11:12,000
And of course, what happens is that I think that the last hundred years we build the United States, apparently thinking that everybody was 40 years old and everybody is going to drive forever.

1375
02:11:12,000 --> 02:11:22,000
We forgot about the young people, I'm going to forget about the old generation, that either for their own personal reasons or for they're not able to drive.

1376
02:11:22,000 --> 02:11:38,000
And so this very modern generation, they want to live in a different place already and we have to think about what's going to happen to these towns that have depend on a tourism of a different generation that want to live in a certain place.

1377
02:11:38,000 --> 02:11:47,000
I know there's an iteration coming and they want a different type of lifestyle. That is one of my research sort of like obsessions.

1378
02:11:47,000 --> 02:11:56,000
I believe in what is called strong towns. Not everybody wants to live in skyscraper and pay $2,000 in New York City. That's why one of the reasons why I came back.

1379
02:11:56,000 --> 02:11:58,000
They don't want to live in a whole world.

1380
02:11:59,000 --> 02:12:02,000
But I had an experience when I was living in New York.

1381
02:12:02,000 --> 02:12:10,000
I was teaching in Hunter College and then as a disgrace, you couldn't pay my apartment anymore because it's in New York City.

1382
02:12:10,000 --> 02:12:14,000
And I had a professor that said, why don't you come to Hastings on the Hudson?

1383
02:12:14,000 --> 02:12:15,000
Where's that?

1384
02:12:15,000 --> 02:12:16,000
No idea.

1385
02:12:16,000 --> 02:12:17,000
Song town of North.

1386
02:12:17,000 --> 02:12:18,000
No idea.

1387
02:12:18,000 --> 02:12:21,000
If it was Florida, I could have never done it.

1388
02:12:21,000 --> 02:12:28,000
But because you're in New York, you take the metro north and you go there and I want a half and you just stay there and then come back.

1389
02:12:28,000 --> 02:12:31,000
And on my right there, I saw this small towns.

1390
02:12:31,000 --> 02:12:35,000
Some of them have stops and some of them didn't have stops.

1391
02:12:35,000 --> 02:12:39,000
But they were smart enough and I'll tell you what they did before.

1392
02:12:39,000 --> 02:12:45,000
And I realized that this small towns were surviving precisely because of the train.

1393
02:12:45,000 --> 02:12:48,000
This is from the mental difference that everybody else has said.

1394
02:12:48,000 --> 02:12:51,000
And my experience was totally different.

1395
02:12:51,000 --> 02:12:54,000
They were surviving precisely because they had that train stop right there.

1396
02:12:54,000 --> 02:13:04,000
They had some people, actually, some of the big New Yorkers actually, they didn't want to live in the apartment buildings that actually bought some houses over there.

1397
02:13:04,000 --> 02:13:07,000
Therefore, the real estate would not actually go down.

1398
02:13:07,000 --> 02:13:12,000
And then they would treat the train and come back down, you know, just doing the work on the train.

1399
02:13:12,000 --> 02:13:18,000
They also had people that were able to, they were lock over, able to survive because they had hotels there.

1400
02:13:18,000 --> 02:13:22,000
And I decided to go back to one of those places.

1401
02:13:22,000 --> 02:13:26,000
I found out that one of those towns that I wanted, the train didn't stop.

1402
02:13:26,000 --> 02:13:28,000
But what did they do? They had like a toolbox.

1403
02:13:28,000 --> 02:13:29,000
And they took my money.

1404
02:13:29,000 --> 02:13:31,000
And then I went to one of those restaurants.

1405
02:13:31,000 --> 02:13:35,000
I found out that the rest of them weren't as cheap as they were because they were benefiting from the tourism.

1406
02:13:35,000 --> 02:13:39,000
And so they could, you know, charge whatever they want.

1407
02:13:39,000 --> 02:13:42,000
And I walked around the town was a wonderful town.

1408
02:13:42,000 --> 02:13:49,000
They were able to preserve the, you know, the nature of the town, the architecture because that was a tourism selling point.

1409
02:13:49,000 --> 02:13:55,000
And so I think about all the marketing dollars that people spend trying to attract people to permit them to provide or whatever.

1410
02:13:55,000 --> 02:14:01,000
And I said, there's no better marketing tool that having a train pass by, we can actually see the town, right?

1411
02:14:01,000 --> 02:14:06,000
If you're in I-95, you're not going to see anything you're just driving through.

1412
02:14:06,000 --> 02:14:09,000
This counties have become sort of like dry through country.

1413
02:14:09,000 --> 02:14:12,000
But eventually if you have a train, a train is going to make stops.

1414
02:14:12,000 --> 02:14:19,000
And even if you don't make stops all the time, you get to see the town, you can see what it is like.

1415
02:14:19,000 --> 02:14:22,000
And that is an immediate benefit that is not evident.

1416
02:14:22,000 --> 02:14:25,000
My experience was something that you cannot measure in a economic impact.

1417
02:14:25,000 --> 02:14:33,000
But it's something that if you have the experience, then you see the difference between writing a train and having that availability for everybody.

1418
02:14:33,000 --> 02:14:36,000
And then just driving.

1419
02:14:36,000 --> 02:14:37,000
Thank you very much.

1420
02:14:37,000 --> 02:14:38,000
Thank you.

1421
02:14:38,000 --> 02:14:39,000
Thank you.

1422
02:14:39,000 --> 02:14:40,000
Mr. Jim Handley.

1423
02:14:40,000 --> 02:14:51,000
Following him, we'll be rolletta by Mahabhai.

1424
02:14:51,000 --> 02:14:54,000
Darling, excuse me, I'm on with Jim.

1425
02:14:54,000 --> 02:14:58,000
Darling, Albert, and Monique Miller.

1426
02:14:58,000 --> 02:14:59,000
Thank you.

1427
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:10,000
Good morning, Madam Chair, and commissioners. I admire your patience. We're hearing all the pros and cons about all the board floor. I'll try to be very brief.

1428
02:15:10,000 --> 02:15:27,000
I've been monitoring a situation for a number of months, and one of the things I've observed is that when concrete objections do come up, all the board floor does its best to address them and to try to find ways to accommodate the people that are concerned about this.

1429
02:15:27,000 --> 02:15:37,000
There are some emotional arguments that are impossible to address, but I think all board floor is trying to do the best they can do to make this a winning project.

1430
02:15:37,000 --> 02:15:49,000
And I think this project does represent progress for floor to and for provide county, as it successful and goes into phase two, we will have a train station here and it will benefit us.

1431
02:15:49,000 --> 02:15:56,000
We'll have a lot more visitors. Some of us may not like that, but we'll have more visitors. We'll have more revenue coming into the county.

1432
02:15:56,000 --> 02:16:08,000
The county that will help our property taxes stay low. So I think it's a very viable project and one that we should approve and go forward with the private activity bonds. Thank you.

1433
02:16:08,000 --> 02:16:10,000
Thank you, Jim.

1434
02:16:10,000 --> 02:16:12,000
Roleca.

1435
02:16:18,000 --> 02:16:21,000
Good morning for the record. My name is Rosita.

1436
02:16:21,000 --> 02:16:27,000
Thank you. I know it's difficult to read everybody's handwriting. I have to do it all the time.

1437
02:16:27,000 --> 02:16:39,000
And I live on 78.01. Abbott Avenue in Miami. I live in Miami, but I am your tourists today. I also do tourism consulting.

1438
02:16:39,000 --> 02:16:45,000
So I actually do tourism marketing for the state of Florida. I have clients all up and down the state.

1439
02:16:45,000 --> 02:16:55,000
I've done tourism in Martin County. I've done tourism in Broward County and actually work with your wonderful tourism staff here, Rob Barley and his staff.

1440
02:16:55,000 --> 02:16:59,000
And they do a fantastic job. It congratulate you.

1441
02:16:59,000 --> 02:17:13,000
I'm obviously here because I support all the board for Florida and I know that you've heard a lot about tourism, but one of the things I want to remind you is that

1442
02:17:13,000 --> 02:17:19,000
increasing tourism through a transportation like train is clean, eco tourism.

1443
02:17:19,000 --> 02:17:23,000
You can benefit from the growth, but you don't have to have all the traffic.

1444
02:17:23,000 --> 02:17:29,000
I do realize that a lot of people are concerned about the stop here or if it's not going to stop or when it's going to stop.

1445
02:17:29,000 --> 02:17:41,000
And I think those are some of the things that you need to look at with a bigger view because the train as one of the gentlemen mentioned is probably coming

1446
02:17:41,000 --> 02:17:49,000
with or without participation, but why not participate and make it beneficial for you.

1447
02:17:49,000 --> 02:17:57,000
I was on a committee a long time ago about 14 years ago with the Fort Lauderdale Hollywood International Airport.

1448
02:17:57,000 --> 02:18:05,000
Hollywood was against the expansion of the airport and did not participate in all the discussions.

1449
02:18:05,000 --> 02:18:11,000
And it was against my recommendation at the time since I was doing tourism for them.

1450
02:18:11,000 --> 02:18:19,000
Several years later the expansion of the airport happened and it looks like Hollywood was missed.

1451
02:18:19,000 --> 02:18:25,000
The exit to Hollywood was not no longer there. The signage wasn't there.

1452
02:18:25,000 --> 02:18:33,000
So a lot of these plannings does take a vision for the future now in order to get to the future.

1453
02:18:33,000 --> 02:18:37,000
And I do think you're going to have a tourism impact immediately during the construction.

1454
02:18:37,000 --> 02:18:41,000
You are going to get room nights working in Martin County.

1455
02:18:41,000 --> 02:18:51,000
We already see that construction of bridges and different things brought a lot of tours in our area in Martin County when working in Martin County.

1456
02:18:51,000 --> 02:18:53,000
So you need to look outside the box.

1457
02:18:53,000 --> 02:19:00,000
You need to look at all the different possibilities because you know that there are possibilities and opportunities there.

1458
02:19:00,000 --> 02:19:02,000
And you need to take advantage of them now.

1459
02:19:02,000 --> 02:19:08,000
Partnering with them is what's going to set the tone for what you want out of this for the future.

1460
02:19:08,000 --> 02:19:10,000
And this is the best way to do it.

1461
02:19:10,000 --> 02:19:13,000
And Henry Flagler has been brought up.

1462
02:19:13,000 --> 02:19:17,000
Cape Canaveral has been brought up. There are so many different things.

1463
02:19:17,000 --> 02:19:22,000
And what better way to invest in your future than private funding.

1464
02:19:22,000 --> 02:19:29,000
That's the ultimate goal in every state and every country and every client that I've ever had with tourism.

1465
02:19:29,000 --> 02:19:35,000
It's to have private dollars invest into a community that's going to benefit.

1466
02:19:35,000 --> 02:19:39,000
People talk about safety about living close to it.

1467
02:19:39,000 --> 02:19:43,000
There's always going to be people that are going to like one thing or not like it.

1468
02:19:43,000 --> 02:19:45,000
It's all personal preferences.

1469
02:19:45,000 --> 02:19:48,000
You can love living on the beach.

1470
02:19:48,000 --> 02:19:53,000
But there are people that don't like living on the beach because of hurricanes or different things.

1471
02:19:53,000 --> 02:19:59,000
There are people that do want to be by a metro or railroad and there are people that don't.

1472
02:19:59,000 --> 02:20:01,000
It's going to be something for everybody.

1473
02:20:01,000 --> 02:20:03,000
But it's looking at the big vision.

1474
02:20:03,000 --> 02:20:06,000
Looking at what's great for provide county.

1475
02:20:06,000 --> 02:20:07,000
What's great for treasure coast.

1476
02:20:07,000 --> 02:20:11,000
What's great for the state of Florida and the big picture.

1477
02:20:11,000 --> 02:20:17,000
I think it's going to make a business mark decision for you to support all aboard Florida.

1478
02:20:17,000 --> 02:20:19,000
Thank you for your time.

1479
02:20:19,000 --> 02:20:20,000
Thank you.

1480
02:20:20,000 --> 02:20:24,000
I'm Doreen Albert.

1481
02:20:24,000 --> 02:20:33,000
I'm from Malibu.

1482
02:20:33,000 --> 02:20:34,000
Good morning everyone.

1483
02:20:34,000 --> 02:20:37,000
My name is Doreen Albert and I'm from Hollywood, Florida.

1484
02:20:37,000 --> 02:20:39,000
I'm a Florida native.

1485
02:20:39,000 --> 02:20:42,000
One of the few.

1486
02:20:42,000 --> 02:20:45,000
I appreciate Brevard County's concerns.

1487
02:20:45,000 --> 02:20:48,000
I'm speaking for myself and passion for the state of Florida.

1488
02:20:48,000 --> 02:20:54,000
And someone who's done marketing and mostly corporate marketing sports marketing for over 21 years.

1489
02:20:54,000 --> 02:20:56,000
And I've traveled the state extensively.

1490
02:20:56,000 --> 02:20:59,000
And as a busy person like myself.

1491
02:20:59,000 --> 02:21:01,000
And we don't have enough hours in the day.

1492
02:21:01,000 --> 02:21:02,000
We only have 24 hours.

1493
02:21:02,000 --> 02:21:05,000
If we got 25, we would need 26.

1494
02:21:05,000 --> 02:21:15,000
So using infrastructure or using a railroad train to get up and down the state would add a few hours to my day.

1495
02:21:15,000 --> 02:21:18,000
Where I could be multitasking on the train.

1496
02:21:18,000 --> 02:21:22,000
I could be answering and sending out emails.

1497
02:21:22,000 --> 02:21:25,000
I can be skyping with my family.

1498
02:21:25,000 --> 02:21:30,000
And doing things that I needed to do that I don't have enough time in the day to do.

1499
02:21:30,000 --> 02:21:34,000
It's also cost-efficient with even though gas prices dropped a little bit.

1500
02:21:34,000 --> 02:21:36,000
Gas prices are high to travel.

1501
02:21:36,000 --> 02:21:40,000
Expense accounts are not there anymore when you need to travel for business.

1502
02:21:40,000 --> 02:21:44,000
It alleviates the tremendous stress of driving and traffic.

1503
02:21:44,000 --> 02:21:48,000
When people say they're worried about emergency vehicles getting over a track.

1504
02:21:48,000 --> 02:21:49,000
It just happens two weeks ago.

1505
02:21:49,000 --> 02:21:51,000
I was in a car accident.

1506
02:21:51,000 --> 02:21:53,000
And I stopped for an ambulance.

1507
02:21:53,000 --> 02:21:54,000
No one was letting him buy it.

1508
02:21:54,000 --> 02:21:57,000
And I got hit from behind and pushed him to another lane.

1509
02:21:57,000 --> 02:22:02,000
So I know that when someone says, and it's tragic, a crash on a train.

1510
02:22:02,000 --> 02:22:04,000
Every day people are getting hit by cars.

1511
02:22:04,000 --> 02:22:07,000
And think God that nothing major happened to me.

1512
02:22:07,000 --> 02:22:11,000
And I just wanted to say another thing that everyone's pushing to that.

1513
02:22:11,000 --> 02:22:14,000
Some of us do as a bad habit as texting and driving.

1514
02:22:14,000 --> 02:22:16,000
When all aboard Florida would be around,

1515
02:22:16,000 --> 02:22:19,000
and I would look forward to texting and riding.

1516
02:22:19,000 --> 02:22:20,000
So thank you.

1517
02:22:20,000 --> 02:22:22,000
Thank you.

1518
02:22:22,000 --> 02:22:24,000
Hon.

1519
02:22:24,000 --> 02:22:25,000
Miller.

1520
02:22:25,000 --> 02:22:27,000
Follow by Miles Tobin.

1521
02:22:27,000 --> 02:22:30,000
Casey Taylor.

1522
02:22:30,000 --> 02:22:33,000
And Barbara Finn.

1523
02:22:33,000 --> 02:22:35,000
Good morning.

1524
02:22:35,000 --> 02:22:36,000
Monique Miller.

1525
02:22:36,000 --> 02:22:38,000
And I actually live here in Brevard County.

1526
02:22:38,000 --> 02:22:42,000
I live at 8356 Highway A1A in Melbourne Beach.

1527
02:22:42,000 --> 02:22:47,000
And I'm not here to discuss the merits or whether all aboard Florida is good for us or not.

1528
02:22:47,000 --> 02:22:54,000
Because the fact of the matter is I'm not sure all of us have had time to really digest all the information about the project to know whether it's good for us or not.

1529
02:22:54,000 --> 02:22:57,000
I'm here to suggest that this vote is premature.

1530
02:22:57,000 --> 02:23:00,000
And there's a number of reasons for that.

1531
02:23:00,000 --> 02:23:06,000
There's a couple of other things that are in this resolution that go beyond just issuing some bonds.

1532
02:23:06,000 --> 02:23:14,000
One of the things that they're asking us to add all aboard Florida is a third party beneficiary to the grade crossing agreement that we have with Florida East Coast Railways.

1533
02:23:14,000 --> 02:23:24,000
This is a major bargaining chip that we have in our future negotiations with all aboard Florida in terms of who's going to incur costs that are going to come be born of this project.

1534
02:23:24,000 --> 02:23:27,000
The other bargaining chip is obviously the issuance of these bonds.

1535
02:23:27,000 --> 02:23:35,000
As a private company, which they're so fond of saying that they're doing this with private money, they can go and issue bonds to go raise money for their company anytime they want to.

1536
02:23:35,000 --> 02:23:45,000
The reason that they need us to approve this is because they want 500 million dollars of taxpayer money to do this, which is letting it be a tax-free bond instead of just a regular bond.

1537
02:23:45,000 --> 02:23:48,000
And that's obviously a major advantage.

1538
02:23:48,000 --> 02:24:02,000
And I'm in favor of this form of funding their project over what they were originally going to do, which was going to be a taxpayer subsidized loan that would have probably been about $3 billion over the life of the loan and value to them this is subsidy.

1539
02:24:02,000 --> 02:24:14,000
So this is definitely better. And but before we decide to give away our bargaining chips for a small concession, which was, I believe, seven years that they are willing to pay for the maintenance on the crossing agreements.

1540
02:24:14,000 --> 02:24:18,000
That's nothing compared to the overall cost that we're going to incur.

1541
02:24:18,000 --> 02:24:25,000
The environmental impact study was just released and I've only had about two or three weeks to digest it.

1542
02:24:25,000 --> 02:24:31,000
I don't know about you, but 500 pages and about a thousand pages of attendance. I haven't gotten through all of it yet.

1543
02:24:32,000 --> 02:24:37,000
One of the things that I did notice though is that there's a major issue with vibration that came out in the study.

1544
02:24:37,000 --> 02:24:45,000
And by the way, they commissioned the study. So I would argue that this is probably the best case scenario. So since they paid for it, I doubt it's going to be, you know, really the worst case.

1545
02:24:45,000 --> 02:24:56,000
But it did bring up vibrations. We don't even know how we're going to mitigate that or what the cost to provide is going to be for having massive vibrations going through because of high speed rail 32 times a day.

1546
02:24:56,000 --> 02:24:59,000
Bridges are going to have to be completely reconstructed.

1547
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:09,000
I love our lagoon. You know, if we do work that involves drilling into the lagoon, we have absolutely no idea what the impact is going to be to our community and what the costs are going to be.

1548
02:25:09,000 --> 02:25:20,000
So before we decide to just give away seven years of for the cost of seven years of maintenance, which by the way isn't really going to amount to much since it's all new equipment and it won't start until 2016 at the earliest,

1549
02:25:21,000 --> 02:25:28,000
I think that we should probably hold on to those bargaining chips a little bit longer until we really understand the full impact to provide county.

1550
02:25:28,000 --> 02:25:34,000
Now, I know that commissioners Poland and Nelson are on their way out. They've served our community for several years.

1551
02:25:34,000 --> 02:25:38,000
And I'm sure that you're beginning to think about what your legacy is going to be to provide.

1552
02:25:38,000 --> 02:25:43,000
I'm sure you don't want it to be a vote for something that we didn't have all the information about.

1553
02:25:43,000 --> 02:25:47,000
And for the next years, we're racking up costs and every time there's a new cost, we remember you.

1554
02:25:47,000 --> 02:25:56,000
That's not how I remember you today and I'd certainly not like to remember you that way in the future.

1555
02:25:56,000 --> 02:26:00,000
I also appreciate some of the comments that were made by other folks here today.

1556
02:26:00,000 --> 02:26:07,000
John Walsh, especially commented about the state, you know, about the need for this for the for the port.

1557
02:26:07,000 --> 02:26:10,000
If we do not have a station here.

1558
02:26:10,000 --> 02:26:13,000
With all due respect, those comments are really irrelevant.

1559
02:26:13,000 --> 02:26:18,000
I'd love to have tourism here. I think there's a lot of merit to having a transportation from Orlando to the port.

1560
02:26:18,000 --> 02:26:23,000
That's not what this project is and we need to really just vote on the merits of what it is today.

1561
02:26:23,000 --> 02:26:29,000
So before you bet my future that these are really the only costs that we're going to incur, I just ask you to please.

1562
02:26:29,000 --> 02:26:34,000
Let's consider that there are two new commissioners coming in and we'd like to know what their position is on it.

1563
02:26:34,000 --> 02:26:38,000
I've been involved in a lot of big huge projects, you know, hundreds of million dollar IT projects.

1564
02:26:38,000 --> 02:26:43,000
And one thing I've learned is if everyone is not behind it, it does not succeed.

1565
02:26:43,000 --> 02:26:50,000
I'd like to know that the two new incoming commissioners are going to be behind this as well and give them an opportunity to weigh in on it before we make that decision.

1566
02:26:50,000 --> 02:26:54,000
So I ask you to delay this vote. Thank you.

1567
02:26:54,000 --> 02:26:58,000
Miles Tobin of KC Taylor.

1568
02:27:04,000 --> 02:27:09,000
Thank you. I'm Miles Tobin, a general counsel for all aboard Florida with the address set 2855,

1569
02:27:09,000 --> 02:27:16,000
Lichun Road and Coral Gables. And I appreciate the opportunity to speak and I'll try to keep it substantial less than five minutes.

1570
02:27:16,000 --> 02:27:18,000
I know you have a lot going on.

1571
02:27:18,000 --> 02:27:23,000
I'd just like to react to a couple of the items that we mentioned with respect to earlier speakers.

1572
02:27:23,000 --> 02:27:29,000
First of all, private activity bonds, what they are and what they mean.

1573
02:27:29,000 --> 02:27:33,000
Mr. Stan, pretty well laid out the details of private activity bonds.

1574
02:27:33,000 --> 02:27:37,000
I want to underscore that they are private activity bonds.

1575
02:27:37,000 --> 02:27:45,000
No risks to Bernard County, no risk to the public. They are private bonds, which we will take to the investor market.

1576
02:27:45,000 --> 02:27:49,000
And the investor market will decide whether it wants to buy these bonds.

1577
02:27:49,000 --> 02:27:55,000
And the risk is on all aboard Florida and is on the investors, not on the public.

1578
02:27:55,000 --> 02:28:03,000
As you know, there have been some nasiers in the paper talking about riflones and taxpayer risk.

1579
02:28:03,000 --> 02:28:08,000
This is an alternative financing, which has no taxpayer risk.

1580
02:28:08,000 --> 02:28:12,000
It is totally private as we have indicated.

1581
02:28:12,000 --> 02:28:16,000
We are trying to do this with private financing, and that's good for the taxpayers.

1582
02:28:16,000 --> 02:28:19,000
It's good for Bernard County.

1583
02:28:19,000 --> 02:28:24,000
There was an issue whether or not we qualify for private activity bonds.

1584
02:28:24,000 --> 02:28:27,000
We've talked to the U.S. Department of Transportation.

1585
02:28:27,000 --> 02:28:36,000
This vehicle is a U.S. Department of Transportation bond vehicle, which they allow surface transportation infrastructure to use.

1586
02:28:36,000 --> 02:28:42,000
Again, it's private, but there's a statutory vehicle to use these types of bonds.

1587
02:28:42,000 --> 02:28:44,000
We qualify for these bonds.

1588
02:28:44,000 --> 02:28:48,000
We would not have filed an application if we didn't qualify for these bonds.

1589
02:28:48,000 --> 02:28:52,000
As anecdotally I've read the IRS statutes myself.

1590
02:28:52,000 --> 02:28:58,000
And you may or may not want to take my word for, but we absolutely qualify for these bonds.

1591
02:28:58,000 --> 02:29:02,000
Safety. There's a lot of conversation about safety.

1592
02:29:02,000 --> 02:29:10,000
And I really do want to address that because I and the members of the All aboard Florida team have worked in industry, rail industry.

1593
02:29:10,000 --> 02:29:13,000
Other industries in Florida for many years.

1594
02:29:13,000 --> 02:29:15,000
I've been in the rail industry for 30 years.

1595
02:29:15,000 --> 02:29:20,000
The first thing we think about, that's the thing we think about in the middle of the day and at the end of the day.

1596
02:29:20,000 --> 02:29:29,000
And all of my conversations with my colleagues are about how we make this the safest railroad in the United States, the safest passenger railroad in the United States.

1597
02:29:29,000 --> 02:29:34,000
And not a day goes by where we don't analyze what we could do better.

1598
02:29:34,000 --> 02:29:41,000
Some of the things that folks have talked about, the crossing improvements, these are going to be as high tech as they can be.

1599
02:29:41,000 --> 02:29:59,000
We are upgrading these crossings in conjunction with FRA in conjunction with F dot in conjunction with your own publics works engineers and local cities in Bernard County and other counties to make sure that these crossings meet the needs of both the communities and the railroads and our as

1600
02:29:59,000 --> 02:30:01,000
In

1601
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:06,000
Approved as they can be from a safety perspective, from a warning of the public perspective when trains are coming.

1602
02:30:06,000 --> 02:30:14,000
We are dealing with a company that makes the best trains in the United States for passenger rail.

1603
02:30:14,000 --> 02:30:19,000
I have met with them on a variety of occasions we've worked to deal to build the trains.

1604
02:30:19,000 --> 02:30:25,000
These trains will be as high-tech as they can possibly be. They will be efficient. They will be quiet.

1605
02:30:25,000 --> 02:30:33,000
They will be safe and frankly there will be no better train in the United States and some folks have alluded to. They will be ADA compliant.

1606
02:30:33,000 --> 02:30:39,000
That will be the first passenger train in the United States that will be ADA compliant as well as our stations.

1607
02:30:39,000 --> 02:30:48,000
We're building a new dispatching center to make sure the freight and passenger trains can coexist in the same corridor.

1608
02:30:48,000 --> 02:30:54,000
Again, it will be the highest tech and the best dispatching center in the United States.

1609
02:30:54,000 --> 02:31:08,000
We are focused on making this a reliable customer, a customer service-related railroad.

1610
02:31:08,000 --> 02:31:13,000
We are focused on making this the safest railroad in the United States.

1611
02:31:13,000 --> 02:31:23,000
The folks on the All-Aboard floor to team, I won't go into individuals other to say other than to say that we have built some of the largest construction projects,

1612
02:31:23,000 --> 02:31:28,000
the largest customer projects, service projects in the United States.

1613
02:31:28,000 --> 02:31:33,000
We built some of the largest railroads in the United States, some of the largest projects in Florida.

1614
02:31:33,000 --> 02:31:38,000
We are all bound to make this the best railroad that it can possibly be.

1615
02:31:38,000 --> 02:31:42,000
And when it comes into Brevard County, it will be the best railroad it can possibly be.

1616
02:31:42,000 --> 02:31:51,000
And I urge you to assist us in that process by allowing us to utilize private activity bonds which will finance this privately.

1617
02:31:51,000 --> 02:31:52,000
Thank you very much.

1618
02:31:52,000 --> 02:31:53,000
Thank you.

1619
02:31:53,000 --> 02:31:54,000
Thank you.

1620
02:31:56,000 --> 02:31:57,000
We'll have a person for the end of that.

1621
02:31:57,000 --> 02:31:59,000
We'll just part out for you.

1622
02:31:59,000 --> 02:32:05,000
Casey Taylor, followed by Barbara Finn.

1623
02:32:05,000 --> 02:32:08,000
Good morning.

1624
02:32:08,000 --> 02:32:10,000
Madam Chair Owen Bowlin, Lewis and fellow commissioners.

1625
02:32:10,000 --> 02:32:12,000
Thank you for having us today.

1626
02:32:12,000 --> 02:32:13,000
I'm Casey Trailer.

1627
02:32:13,000 --> 02:32:17,000
I'm from Palm City, my address is 622 pine tree lane.

1628
02:32:17,000 --> 02:32:20,000
First, I just want to state, this is not a done deal.

1629
02:32:20,000 --> 02:32:22,000
I've heard some people say they believe it is.

1630
02:32:22,000 --> 02:32:24,000
This is not a done deal.

1631
02:32:24,000 --> 02:32:30,000
This company is actively seeking financing and I want you to be aware that the riff loan has not been withdrawn off the table.

1632
02:32:30,000 --> 02:32:34,000
They are still seeking that as well, including these private activity bonds.

1633
02:32:34,000 --> 02:32:39,000
Both of which are, they're trying to use the government as a conduit to provide financing.

1634
02:32:39,000 --> 02:32:43,000
I founded the grassroots opposition group of Florida not all aboard.

1635
02:32:43,000 --> 02:32:53,000
Commissioners today, I come to speak to you on behalf of over 31,000 people about your vote on the issuance of the text free private activity bonds for a private company.

1636
02:32:53,000 --> 02:32:54,000
All aboard Florida.

1637
02:32:55,000 --> 02:33:02,000
Sitting in front of me is over 32,000 signatures of citizens that oppose the All aboard Florida project.

1638
02:33:02,000 --> 02:33:11,000
This is a grave issue that should have much consideration before a vote is taken because it is a vote that impacts every single one of us.

1639
02:33:11,000 --> 02:33:15,000
Many of these signatures are from Brevard County as well.

1640
02:33:15,000 --> 02:33:20,000
All aboard Florida representatives tell us, we on the land, the tracks, we will do what we want.

1641
02:33:20,000 --> 02:33:26,000
They tell us we need to learn to coexist, yet they have done little to help mitigate the destructive effects to our communities.

1642
02:33:26,000 --> 02:33:34,000
They come you offering free maintenance and offer nothing to other communities, but they do not leave them, but they do leave us with devastating impacts.

1643
02:33:34,000 --> 02:33:43,000
They seem to have one thing in mind, profit for their parent company in New York City, the $60 billion plus hedge fund manager, fortress investment group.

1644
02:33:44,000 --> 02:33:53,000
The fact All aboard Florida is attempting to rush this vote through giving the residents of Brevard County extremely short notice on a vote that will greatly impact their lives.

1645
02:33:53,000 --> 02:33:58,000
Demonstrates they only care about their company and that the communities they are here to bifurcate.

1646
02:33:58,000 --> 02:34:06,000
If this company was an upstanding corporate citizen, they would do the right thing and ask for input on these private activity bonds from all communities impacted.

1647
02:34:06,000 --> 02:34:11,000
They have not and it certainly seems they do not care, but we hope you do.

1648
02:34:11,000 --> 02:34:17,000
I ask you on behalf of all our communities to please realize your vote today impacts all of us.

1649
02:34:17,000 --> 02:34:31,000
Please do not rush this vote today. Give residents a chance to weigh in, hold community workshops, let residents know about what could be the most critical vote to your county and frankly, all the communities along the FEC line.

1650
02:34:31,000 --> 02:34:36,000
Residents elected you to protect their interest and their quality of life.

1651
02:34:36,000 --> 02:34:42,000
Like the Rift Lone that is still on the table, the private activity bonds certainly do not benefit the taxpayers.

1652
02:34:42,000 --> 02:34:54,000
An editorial on the Tampa Bay Times last year is called this kind of corporate welfare cheats the federal treasury and an able's government to give an unfair advantage to one business over another.

1653
02:34:54,000 --> 02:35:00,000
All aboard Florida should not be using our government as they kind to it to fund them in any way shape or form.

1654
02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:05,000
They do on the land they own the tracks and we've heard their message loud and clear that they will do what they want.

1655
02:35:05,000 --> 02:35:14,000
But we beg of you do not allow this company to force us through our government to help finance the very project that will devastate and change our way of life forever.

1656
02:35:14,000 --> 02:35:21,000
If high speed rail is to be built between Miami and Orlando, it should not be at the expense of many communities who receive no benefit.

1657
02:35:21,000 --> 02:35:27,000
Over 30 other communities organizations have signed resolutions either against or about the impacts of all board Florida.

1658
02:35:27,000 --> 02:35:32,000
I have resolutions from provide all the way down to Miami date each of the counties.

1659
02:35:32,000 --> 02:35:39,000
The latest resolution was from the Treasure Coast League of Cities which is a comprised of 13 cities in the Treasure Coast.

1660
02:35:39,000 --> 02:35:43,000
Please do not allow all board Florida to ignore our communities.

1661
02:35:43,000 --> 02:35:46,000
The project is about all of us united to do what is right.

1662
02:35:46,000 --> 02:35:51,000
All aboard Florida has not given the three counties to yourself a voice in this matter.

1663
02:35:51,000 --> 02:35:57,000
Please stand united with all our communities and do not let this decision be divided by a county line.

1664
02:35:57,000 --> 02:36:03,000
Commissioners, unlike the paid FECI in all aboard Florida representatives, you have no doubt spoken to.

1665
02:36:03,000 --> 02:36:08,000
Myself and my volunteers, some of them have driven up from Martin and Jupiter.

1666
02:36:08,000 --> 02:36:13,000
They are unpaid and we've spent endless hours because we love our community and our quality life.

1667
02:36:13,000 --> 02:36:16,000
We're doing this to let our elected officials know you folks.

1668
02:36:16,000 --> 02:36:19,000
We are begging you to protect us and protect our quality life.

1669
02:36:19,000 --> 02:36:22,000
Please say no to all aboard Florida.

1670
02:36:22,000 --> 02:36:24,000
Thank you for your time and consideration.

1671
02:36:24,000 --> 02:36:27,000
Please vote no or at the very least delay your vote.

1672
02:36:27,000 --> 02:36:33,000
So your residents have time to research this project, the private activity bonds, and if time to give you their input.

1673
02:36:33,000 --> 02:36:42,000
They vote if you listen to them, not a hedge fund manager in New York City that's over a thousand miles away and does not have to live with the devastating impacts of this project.

1674
02:36:42,000 --> 02:36:46,000
Please, together, we can protect our Florida and our paradise.

1675
02:36:46,000 --> 02:36:47,000
Thank you.

1676
02:36:47,000 --> 02:36:52,000
Thank you.

1677
02:36:52,000 --> 02:37:00,000
The commissioners were working to be holding our board of county commissioners' comments until after all the speaker cards are done.

1678
02:37:00,000 --> 02:37:09,000
But if there is a particular speaker that you want to have questions with, when we complete it, please notify me and then I will make sure that the person stays with us.

1679
02:37:09,000 --> 02:37:14,000
And that would be the first one that we would like to make sure that stays in the room is going to be miles token.

1680
02:37:14,000 --> 02:37:17,000
So you have to stay after school.

1681
02:37:17,000 --> 02:37:18,000
Okay.

1682
02:37:18,000 --> 02:37:19,000
Barbara.

1683
02:37:19,000 --> 02:37:20,000
Good.

1684
02:37:20,000 --> 02:37:22,000
I guess it's still morning everyone.

1685
02:37:22,000 --> 02:37:23,000
I'm Barbara Finn.

1686
02:37:23,000 --> 02:37:26,000
5809 Edwards Road, Margie, Florida.

1687
02:37:26,000 --> 02:37:33,000
I've come to support all aboard Florida for the future growth in our economy and the state of Florida.

1688
02:37:33,000 --> 02:37:41,000
Jobs for residents and an easier way to encourage the millions of travelers that visit our wonderful state.

1689
02:37:41,000 --> 02:37:48,000
And at no cost to the taxpayers because it is going to be privately funded.

1690
02:37:48,000 --> 02:37:50,000
I don't live in Brevard.

1691
02:37:50,000 --> 02:37:52,000
I don't live in Miami.

1692
02:37:52,000 --> 02:38:02,000
But I'm very interested in doing whatever I can to help Florida keep their economy growing with all the things that we have going on here.

1693
02:38:02,000 --> 02:38:11,000
And I just think that with all the progress that has come across our nation when a highway wanted to be built.

1694
02:38:11,000 --> 02:38:15,000
It was always a small group of people that didn't want it and their neighborhood.

1695
02:38:15,000 --> 02:38:18,000
They didn't want the train station and their neighborhood.

1696
02:38:18,000 --> 02:38:21,000
They didn't want a library or a school next to their neighborhood.

1697
02:38:21,000 --> 02:38:26,000
But we have to think of the total picture and do the best for what we can.

1698
02:38:26,000 --> 02:38:27,000
Thank you.

1699
02:38:27,000 --> 02:38:28,000
Thank you.

1700
02:38:28,000 --> 02:38:32,000
I'm going to be having then lowest locust.

1701
02:38:32,000 --> 02:38:38,000
Susan Olsen, the Jarvis Wash and Ronda Henderson.

1702
02:38:38,000 --> 02:38:40,000
Next.

1703
02:38:40,000 --> 02:38:43,000
Okay, lowest locust.

1704
02:38:48,000 --> 02:38:53,000
Good morning commissioners and the audience is behind me.

1705
02:38:53,000 --> 02:38:56,000
I want to make just one statement first.

1706
02:38:56,000 --> 02:38:58,000
If I could, my name is Lois LaCost.

1707
02:38:58,000 --> 02:39:03,000
I live at 675-500 acre drive in Port St. John.

1708
02:39:03,000 --> 02:39:05,000
Florida.

1709
02:39:05,000 --> 02:39:13,000
passenger rail services almost always lose money and end up subsidized by government.

1710
02:39:23,000 --> 02:39:29,000
I'll pass it on.

1711
02:39:29,000 --> 02:39:33,000
Brevard County is a sweet spot.

1712
02:39:33,000 --> 02:39:37,000
I moved here 10 years ago from Brevard County.

1713
02:39:37,000 --> 02:39:41,000
So I'm very familiar with the people who are in the audience from Miami-Dade and Brevard County.

1714
02:39:41,000 --> 02:39:48,000
Although I'm a really surprised that they would come up here and tell us what we need to do in our county.

1715
02:39:48,000 --> 02:39:57,000
Most residents who moved to Brevard did so to get away from the big city life like Miami-Dade County

1716
02:39:57,000 --> 02:40:07,000
and Orlando with the crime and daily increases of homicide and other problems.

1717
02:40:07,000 --> 02:40:13,000
Whether you are four or against AAS projects is a revelant to today's vote.

1718
02:40:13,000 --> 02:40:22,000
We are here to remind the county commissioners that their number one priority is to act in the best interest of Brevard's residents.

1719
02:40:22,000 --> 02:40:38,000
Boating in favor of the resolution in its current form is not in Brevard's best interest.

1720
02:40:38,000 --> 02:40:46,000
First it will cost money to apply for these railroad crossings and things that they're talking about and to implement them.

1721
02:40:46,000 --> 02:40:52,000
The state of Florida had allocated 10 million for some of the quiet zone costs.

1722
02:40:52,000 --> 02:40:56,000
9 million of that has already been allocated to southern counties.

1723
02:40:56,000 --> 02:41:05,000
It is important that Brevard know exactly how much this will cause to implement and who will incur that cost.

1724
02:41:05,000 --> 02:41:10,000
Second, there is likely an increase in Brevard's ongoing insurance costs.

1725
02:41:10,000 --> 02:41:21,000
If Brevard applies for quiet zones, it is our understanding that liability for incidents on the track shifts from AAS to Brevard County.

1726
02:41:21,000 --> 02:41:30,000
We do not know how much this will cost, but it will be perpetual.

1727
02:41:30,000 --> 02:41:37,000
AAS FEC has selected five counties to funnel the cash.

1728
02:41:37,000 --> 02:41:46,000
Miami-Dane, Brevard, Palm Beach, Brevard, and Orange at 280 to 300 million per county.

1729
02:41:46,000 --> 02:41:57,000
However, Brevard and most recently we heard Brevard are not done deals for this KAB financing.

1730
02:41:57,000 --> 02:42:07,000
We want the commissioners to delay voting on these issues until it can be studied further.

1731
02:42:07,000 --> 02:42:14,000
The train will reach 110 mile per hour, and for the young man who thought it'd be wonderful for the tourists to get to see our county,

1732
02:42:14,000 --> 02:42:19,000
I'd like to know what you're going to see at 110 mile an hour.

1733
02:42:19,000 --> 02:42:31,000
Once the horn starts blaring, you have seven seconds to evacuate a car or bus before impact if you happen to get stuck on the tracks.

1734
02:42:31,000 --> 02:42:37,000
How much more will the taxpayers have to pay?

1735
02:42:37,000 --> 02:42:45,000
Sometimes, eight seconds, 15 seconds, 30 seconds is all we have to save a life and the emergency department.

1736
02:42:45,000 --> 02:42:54,000
I am very concerned about multiple trains going through our community, starting traffic jams that keep ambulances from getting to us.

1737
02:42:54,000 --> 02:42:56,000
I live in Port St. John.

1738
02:42:56,000 --> 02:43:01,000
I'm on the west side of the railroad track, I'm on the west side of U.S. 1.

1739
02:43:01,000 --> 02:43:15,000
If I have an emergency and I need fire, rescue, ambulance to get to my home and possibly then get me to a hospital, I don't need them waiting on a train for me to get there.

1740
02:43:15,000 --> 02:43:23,000
The ridership projections are ridiculous, including the prediction that 4 million people will ride the train after three years of operation.

1741
02:43:23,000 --> 02:43:31,000
While in the North East, the trains that they have operating in Boston, New York City and DC has only 3.3 million riders,

1742
02:43:31,000 --> 02:43:36,000
and these are much, much larger cities than we're talking about in our area.

1743
02:43:36,000 --> 02:43:42,000
The convenience for a few will never outweigh the cost to all of us.

1744
02:43:42,000 --> 02:43:48,000
You said on this Brevard County Commission to represent the residents of Brevard County,

1745
02:43:48,000 --> 02:43:50,000
not the people from all over the state.

1746
02:43:50,000 --> 02:43:58,000
Thank you for your attention and please delay this resolution until the impact studies are completed.

1747
02:43:58,000 --> 02:43:59,000
Thank you.

1748
02:43:59,000 --> 02:44:01,000
Susan Olsen.

1749
02:44:13,000 --> 02:44:16,000
Good morning. My name is Susan Olsen.

1750
02:44:16,000 --> 02:44:22,000
I'm from Mikko and as you know, that's an unincorporated area in extreme southern Brevard County.

1751
02:44:22,000 --> 02:44:25,000
And we're never going to go stop in Mikko.

1752
02:44:25,000 --> 02:44:27,000
And I don't care.

1753
02:44:27,000 --> 02:44:36,000
And the other thing is, I don't think I'm going to live long enough and most of the people in this audience will live long enough for you guys to see enough to stop in Brevard County.

1754
02:44:36,000 --> 02:44:39,000
Maybe the guys from FIU. I'm not sure.

1755
02:44:39,000 --> 02:44:48,000
And as you know, this is an issue that's been important to Mikko homeowner's association for a long time.

1756
02:44:48,000 --> 02:44:54,000
We've been involved. I think perhaps since it's a very beginning of the discussion of Brevard County,

1757
02:44:54,000 --> 02:44:59,000
not since the TPO has been involved. They were involved before.

1758
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:20,000
There's a couple of points I think are important to bring forward to you, that are specific to armico-community. I can only speak to Mikko. I don't live in Melbourne, and I don't live in Rockland, Georgia, and Thai, or the other communities that may be touched.

1759
02:45:20,000 --> 02:45:38,000
Adding a second track is changes the dynamics of the railroad. The FAC had a second track, which they chose on their own to remove a little over 50 years ago for passives or service.

1760
02:45:38,000 --> 02:45:47,000
And so one track has existed for an excess of 50 years, almost 55 years, and people have moved into the area, moved away from the area,

1761
02:45:47,000 --> 02:45:57,000
coming on, expecting the 14-18 trains a day that were coming through freight trains, small freight trains.

1762
02:45:57,000 --> 02:46:13,000
Now we're looking at an excess of 20 freight trains a day, as predicted in the All-Aboard Florida's draft environmental impact statement, and we're looking at 32 passenger trains a day.

1763
02:46:13,000 --> 02:46:26,000
This is a dynamic change, and it's what's going to be happening on the railroad as we see it today. Additionally, the freight trains, and we're not talking about freight trains today, because it's only All-Aboard Florida that needs money.

1764
02:46:26,000 --> 02:46:32,000
It's only All-Aboard Florida that needs to be added. It's a third party to the crossing agreements.

1765
02:46:32,000 --> 02:46:53,000
But additionally, not long ago, when there was a ribbon-cutting in the port of Miami, the FEC terminate at that time, it was reported that the newspaper is looking forward to making the FEC tracks, the cargo corridor for the state of Florida, and they are.

1766
02:46:53,000 --> 02:47:02,000
They will be touching every port along the way, and so this is not the train that we're used to seeing.

1767
02:47:02,000 --> 02:47:18,000
I sent you and the in by way of Michael Holmes Association, and by the way, I need to apologize our President Shelley Woods was not unable to be here today, because of a previous business appointment that she had in Orlando today.

1768
02:47:18,000 --> 02:47:27,000
And even if the train stopped in Vico, she's unlikely to be able to get to Orlando.

1769
02:47:27,000 --> 02:47:38,000
We sent you questions concerning today's agenda item. I think there were five separate questions. We got one response.

1770
02:47:38,000 --> 02:47:53,000
The other questions we made on answered. The largest question for me personally is why you're dealing with private bonds, revenue bonds at the same time you're dealing with crossing agreements and negotiating terms on those crossing agreements.

1771
02:47:53,000 --> 02:48:07,000
These are two separate issues. Additionally, if you look at them separately, you're negotiating terms, it could make those four separate issues, because you're negotiating, you obviously negotiated it at one point from 10 to 70 years on a more time.

1772
02:48:07,000 --> 02:48:21,000
More time for maintenance, you're dealing with the installations of safety improvements and you're now accepting crossing agreements without a 90% plan.

1773
02:48:21,000 --> 02:48:34,000
And I think that is important that you change. Additionally, you all, I have pulled and discussed with various other counties.

1774
02:48:34,000 --> 02:48:47,000
And all of the eight counties touched by all aboard Florida has agreed to accepting all aboard Florida as a third party to the crossing agreements.

1775
02:48:47,000 --> 02:48:52,000
Nor have they completed their negotiations for safety improvements desired.

1776
02:48:52,000 --> 02:49:00,000
And you are asked to do this in one fell swoop. And it's a bullying tactic that I find it atrocious.

1777
02:49:00,000 --> 02:49:14,000
Commissioner Boland Lewis, Commissioner Nelson, are leaving the dyes. I would agree with a previous speaker that you all have an important legacy that needs to be cherished.

1778
02:49:14,000 --> 02:49:23,000
You spent a lot of time here and you are going to leave if you approve this vote today in this manner in particular.

1779
02:49:23,000 --> 02:49:28,000
A lot of unanswered questions questions that we've answered.

1780
02:49:28,000 --> 02:49:35,000
A whole new track is going to be coming into Little Hollywood and Mikko from the bridge.

1781
02:49:35,000 --> 02:49:40,000
So where a track has never been before. Maybe still within the right away.

1782
02:49:40,000 --> 02:49:50,000
But that track is going to be on the east side differently than exist today, differently than it exists to 115 years ago.

1783
02:49:50,000 --> 02:49:55,000
And it's going to touch homes in a different manner than ever and no one has addressed that.

1784
02:49:55,000 --> 02:50:02,000
Anyway, thank you. You guys leave in the dyes. You'll welcome your retirement. I wish you well.

1785
02:50:02,000 --> 02:50:07,000
Thank you very much. You appreciate that.

1786
02:50:07,000 --> 02:50:20,000
Jarvis, wash, ronda Henderson, Thomas, Land of Marseilles.

1787
02:50:20,000 --> 02:50:21,000
Good morning, sir.

1788
02:50:21,000 --> 02:50:23,000
Is it good morning or good afternoon?

1789
02:50:23,000 --> 02:50:26,000
It's good morning.

1790
02:50:27,000 --> 02:50:29,000
Good morning, everyone. Jarvis, wash.

1791
02:50:29,000 --> 02:50:35,000
I live on 909 Bristol Drive in the beautiful city of Cocoa.

1792
02:50:35,000 --> 02:50:46,000
I come to hear this morning with really, really motivated and encouraged about all aboard Florida.

1793
02:50:46,000 --> 02:50:51,000
I passed there in the city of Cocoa, but many who know me know that I just don't pass to my church.

1794
02:50:52,000 --> 02:50:54,000
I passed our community.

1795
02:50:54,000 --> 02:50:57,000
And I live on the north side of Fist, besides pastor there.

1796
02:50:57,000 --> 02:50:59,000
I live there.

1797
02:50:59,000 --> 02:51:02,000
And North Fist has his challenges in the city of Cocoa.

1798
02:51:02,000 --> 02:51:05,000
And one of those challenges are jobs.

1799
02:51:05,000 --> 02:51:12,000
And we have hosted a number of job fairs to bring jobs to our community.

1800
02:51:12,000 --> 02:51:16,000
We actually have one on November 6th there in Cocoa.

1801
02:51:16,000 --> 02:51:21,000
All aboard Florida is a much needed transportation system for this state.

1802
02:51:21,000 --> 02:51:26,000
While they initially won't stop in Brevard in the first phase,

1803
02:51:26,000 --> 02:51:31,000
I believe that we can make a case for a station the second phase.

1804
02:51:31,000 --> 02:51:32,000
We're growing.

1805
02:51:32,000 --> 02:51:34,000
Brevard County is growing.

1806
02:51:34,000 --> 02:51:35,000
I love this place.

1807
02:51:35,000 --> 02:51:38,000
And more jobs need to be created.

1808
02:51:38,000 --> 02:51:41,000
There are many reasons to stop here.

1809
02:51:41,000 --> 02:51:45,000
But all aboard Florida must be operational.

1810
02:51:46,000 --> 02:51:49,000
Operational before we can think of stopping.

1811
02:51:49,000 --> 02:51:50,000
It's like anyone in business.

1812
02:51:50,000 --> 02:51:53,000
There are different phases and different levels.

1813
02:51:53,000 --> 02:51:54,000
I support this project.

1814
02:51:54,000 --> 02:51:57,000
And I think Brevard County should stand behind it.

1815
02:51:57,000 --> 02:51:58,000
I correct me from wrong.

1816
02:51:58,000 --> 02:51:59,000
But to my knowledge.

1817
02:51:59,000 --> 02:52:05,000
There is no other project or company creating this type of economic impact in our county.

1818
02:52:05,000 --> 02:52:07,000
Or really around the state.

1819
02:52:07,000 --> 02:52:12,000
And I think we need to look at some of the issues and things that are at hand.

1820
02:52:12,000 --> 02:52:15,000
And if this can help bring jobs.

1821
02:52:15,000 --> 02:52:18,000
If this can help our citizens.

1822
02:52:18,000 --> 02:52:20,000
Then I think it's a great thing.

1823
02:52:20,000 --> 02:52:22,000
Thank you so much for your time.

1824
02:52:22,000 --> 02:52:24,000
Thank you sir.

1825
02:52:24,000 --> 02:52:27,000
Ronda Henderson.

1826
02:52:27,000 --> 02:52:29,000
Good afternoon.

1827
02:52:29,000 --> 02:52:32,000
I'm going to say good afternoon because it's close to lunch.

1828
02:52:32,000 --> 02:52:34,000
Again, my name is Ron DeHenderson.

1829
02:52:34,000 --> 02:52:36,000
I live at 121.

1830
02:52:36,000 --> 02:52:39,000
Lantra Circle in Indian Harbor Beach.

1831
02:52:39,000 --> 02:52:43,000
I would ask you as a commissioners to take a hard look at me.

1832
02:52:43,000 --> 02:52:46,000
I am the future of Brevard County.

1833
02:52:46,000 --> 02:52:49,000
And let me state that I have a business here.

1834
02:52:49,000 --> 02:52:54,000
I made business owner have been for over 10 years in this county.

1835
02:52:54,000 --> 02:52:58,000
I've been here through the tough economic times that we have had.

1836
02:52:58,000 --> 02:53:06,000
As everyone in here who is actually from Brevard County knows what we have gone through over the past few years with the loss of jobs that we've had.

1837
02:53:06,000 --> 02:53:09,000
I am raising two children here.

1838
02:53:09,000 --> 02:53:14,000
Both of my boys attend public schools here in Brevard County.

1839
02:53:14,000 --> 02:53:15,000
You know what I want for them?

1840
02:53:15,000 --> 02:53:19,000
I want them to have a future in Brevard County.

1841
02:53:19,000 --> 02:53:21,000
How can we make that happen?

1842
02:53:21,000 --> 02:53:22,000
This resolution.

1843
02:53:22,000 --> 02:53:30,000
Again, why wouldn't you support raising the cap to allow all aboard Florida to sell private activity bonds?

1844
02:53:30,000 --> 02:53:33,000
I'm going to shorthand that by saying PABs.

1845
02:53:34,000 --> 02:53:39,000
This action does not affect your credit rating or your bond capacity.

1846
02:53:39,000 --> 02:53:45,000
And it allows this important project to realize solely on private funding.

1847
02:53:45,000 --> 02:53:51,000
Again, the investors in these PABs are private entities.

1848
02:53:51,000 --> 02:54:01,000
Therefore, this financing mechanism possesses zero risk to the local county state or federal government.

1849
02:54:01,000 --> 02:54:09,000
All aboard Florida will invest more than $315 million in infrastructure for Brevard County.

1850
02:54:09,000 --> 02:54:11,000
What is that equate to?

1851
02:54:11,000 --> 02:54:17,000
Job for Brevard County citizens.

1852
02:54:17,000 --> 02:54:22,000
And again, why wouldn't you support raising the cap to allow them to sell bonds?

1853
02:54:22,000 --> 02:54:30,000
I want my children to take after my legacy and to make Brevard County their home so that they too can become business owners.

1854
02:54:30,000 --> 02:54:33,000
We are the future of this county.

1855
02:54:33,000 --> 02:54:36,000
I understand people come here to retire.

1856
02:54:36,000 --> 02:54:39,000
But I came here to live and she raised my children.

1857
02:54:39,000 --> 02:54:41,000
And I want them to have a future as well.

1858
02:54:41,000 --> 02:54:44,000
And I hope that you pass this resolution now.

1859
02:54:44,000 --> 02:54:45,000
Not later.

1860
02:54:45,000 --> 02:54:47,000
But now what we need it.

1861
02:54:47,000 --> 02:54:48,000
Thank you.

1862
02:54:48,000 --> 02:54:50,000
Here.

1863
02:54:50,000 --> 02:54:52,000
Thomas.

1864
02:54:52,000 --> 02:54:53,000
Lead.

1865
02:54:53,000 --> 02:54:54,000
Lead.

1866
02:54:54,000 --> 02:54:55,000
Mon.

1867
02:54:55,000 --> 02:54:56,000
Arsk.

1868
02:54:56,000 --> 02:54:59,000
Oh, please correct me on this one, sir.

1869
02:54:59,000 --> 02:55:01,000
Follow by.

1870
02:55:01,000 --> 02:55:03,000
Dale Davis.

1871
02:55:03,000 --> 02:55:06,000
And Bob Webster.

1872
02:55:06,000 --> 02:55:08,000
My name is Thomas.

1873
02:55:08,000 --> 02:55:09,000
Vladimirack.

1874
02:55:09,000 --> 02:55:12,000
And my spelling may have not been really good on my hand.

1875
02:55:12,000 --> 02:55:13,000
You're gracious.

1876
02:55:13,000 --> 02:55:14,000
Thank you.

1877
02:55:14,000 --> 02:55:15,000
You're welcome.

1878
02:55:15,000 --> 02:55:16,000
So nice.

1879
02:55:16,000 --> 02:55:17,000
I don't make my letters too clear.

1880
02:55:17,000 --> 02:55:19,000
I'm a resident of Portland, Lucy.

1881
02:55:19,000 --> 02:55:28,000
I have lived in Dave County, Brevard County, Palm Beach County, St. Lucy County, and possibly in the next 10 years or so.

1882
02:55:28,000 --> 02:55:32,000
I'm planning to potentially move to Palm Bay.

1883
02:55:32,000 --> 02:55:37,000
And I have concerns about this train and the project and its route.

1884
02:55:37,000 --> 02:55:39,000
I'm an advocate.

1885
02:55:39,000 --> 02:55:46,000
If the train wants to go from Miami, Fort Largo West Palm Beach, it goes by way of Indian town,

1886
02:55:46,000 --> 02:55:48,000
and there will be two Orlando.

1887
02:55:48,000 --> 02:55:53,000
If it wants to add a route up to East Coast at the future time, that's fine.

1888
02:55:53,000 --> 02:56:03,000
If it wants to add a route from Orlando to Coco via the 520 corridor, that's fine with me because it would not disturb any homes.

1889
02:56:03,000 --> 02:56:13,000
But to have it coming up to East Coast, not only the impact of Palm Bay, which I have driven around the last month or two, looking for lots.

1890
02:56:13,000 --> 02:56:15,000
It goes through meco.

1891
02:56:15,000 --> 02:56:24,000
It goes through several small communities where if you're coming straight out of Southern Palm Bay to go US-1, you will have to cross that track.

1892
02:56:24,000 --> 02:56:26,000
It's a very rural area.

1893
02:56:26,000 --> 02:56:29,000
So that's one of my concerns.

1894
02:56:29,000 --> 02:56:34,000
My wife, my sister, is a current resident of the Bar County.

1895
02:56:34,000 --> 02:56:39,000
She has lived up in this area, both in South Lake Beach and up in the current village.

1896
02:56:39,000 --> 02:56:47,000
So that's another reason for me to move probably closer to her and my wife has relatives and such a fort.

1897
02:56:47,000 --> 02:56:52,000
But again, I'm just opposed to the route that they've chosen.

1898
02:56:52,000 --> 02:56:56,000
I have called them and their attitude is what we're going to do what we want to do.

1899
02:56:56,000 --> 02:56:59,000
I've given them several suggestions.

1900
02:56:59,000 --> 02:57:04,000
There are areas in Martin and St. Lucie County.

1901
02:57:04,000 --> 02:57:07,000
I says, how about elevating the track?

1902
02:57:07,000 --> 02:57:08,000
So the car is going to go under it.

1903
02:57:08,000 --> 02:57:13,000
So there's not the delays for the hospitals, the ambulances, the emergency response vehicles.

1904
02:57:13,000 --> 02:57:17,000
The emergency response to voters, they said, no.

1905
02:57:17,000 --> 02:57:20,000
If they want the tracks elevated, let the cities pay for it.

1906
02:57:20,000 --> 02:57:24,000
I would be very weary of you doing an agreement with them.

1907
02:57:24,000 --> 02:57:30,000
And I would wait until the complete impact report is available.

1908
02:57:30,000 --> 02:57:36,000
The see what it says, and I understand, I have not read the five hundred-some pages.

1909
02:57:36,000 --> 02:57:42,000
From what I've heard, the information north of Palm Beach County is very limited.

1910
02:57:42,000 --> 02:57:46,000
Again, I know it's a preliminary report.

1911
02:57:46,000 --> 02:57:53,000
But I would be concerned to see what it says from Palm Beach County north all the way through here.

1912
02:57:53,000 --> 02:57:57,000
And I understand that there could also increase their cargo.

1913
02:57:57,000 --> 02:58:01,000
With the increase number of train crossings and cargo crossings,

1914
02:58:01,000 --> 02:58:05,000
you're going to have to delay for emergency vehicles.

1915
02:58:05,000 --> 02:58:12,000
Just my few weeks of wandering Palm Bay with the intent of purchasing a lot.

1916
02:58:12,000 --> 02:58:18,000
I am concerned that if for some reason I need to get to US-1 in the emergency and Southern Palm Bay,

1917
02:58:18,000 --> 02:58:23,000
I understand there's going to be an interchange of 95 to be built in the future.

1918
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South of the current Malibar Road interchange in 95.

1919
02:58:27,000 --> 02:58:31,000
I know that may be a few years off, but in the interim, if I need to get to US-1,

1920
02:58:31,000 --> 02:58:35,000
there's two roll crossings out there.

1921
02:58:35,000 --> 02:58:39,000
And that would be one of my concerns of let's say an accident occurs.

1922
02:58:39,000 --> 02:58:42,000
And the train is stuck across one or two of those crossings.

1923
02:58:42,000 --> 02:58:46,000
I have no idea how long these freight trains would be.

1924
02:58:46,000 --> 02:58:48,000
So I just hope you'll take this all in consideration.

1925
02:58:48,000 --> 02:58:50,000
I would post phone your vote.

1926
02:58:50,000 --> 02:58:56,000
At least until the impact, the environmental impact report is completed.

1927
02:58:56,000 --> 02:59:00,000
And I don't think it would be that detrimental to them.

1928
02:59:00,000 --> 02:59:04,000
If you decide to approve the bond later, fine.

1929
02:59:04,000 --> 02:59:09,000
But at least wait until you get the full impact report, the environmental impact report.

1930
02:59:09,000 --> 02:59:14,000
And also the impact of the committee, as the woman who mentioned near Barford Bay

1931
02:59:14,000 --> 02:59:22,000
community, I understand it's a trailer park community, that the additional train rail

1932
02:59:22,000 --> 02:59:26,000
that may be coming through there in the noise and the other effects of that committee.

1933
02:59:26,000 --> 02:59:28,000
Thank you very much.

1934
02:59:28,000 --> 02:59:30,000
Mr. Dale, Davis?

1935
02:59:30,000 --> 02:59:34,000
Good afternoon, commissioners.

1936
02:59:34,000 --> 02:59:36,000
The old Davis Melbourne.

1937
02:59:37,000 --> 02:59:44,000
I'm here to object, obviously, to all aboard Florida's issuance.

1938
02:59:44,000 --> 02:59:47,000
I'm going through a backyard.

1939
02:59:47,000 --> 02:59:50,000
My biggest objection is going to be to safety.

1940
02:59:50,000 --> 02:59:55,000
Obviously, we're talking about police, fire, EMS, and any kind of tragedy, which after seven years,

1941
02:59:55,000 --> 02:59:58,000
we may be responsible for.

1942
02:59:58,000 --> 03:00:00,000
What I would like you to do.

1943
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:15,000
We consider is the issue at hand. Do you want to vote to exceed this cap? Are we premature in this? I'd like to take a moment while I was sitting here looking at Mary and Chuck.

1944
03:00:15,000 --> 03:00:26,000
I'm just on the side note. Thank you so much for your area of service and Commissioner Nelson, you've been here for over 30 years, so thank you so much for your service and community.

1945
03:00:26,000 --> 03:00:34,000
I'm telling you, all right, let me get back on track here. New York LLC is who's putting this through our backyard.

1946
03:00:34,000 --> 03:00:42,000
Do we want to have a New York company come down here with a surety bonds, making money and taking it back up north?

1947
03:00:42,000 --> 03:00:50,000
Once again, we're getting rail, shoved down our throats, but the issue at hand here is, do we want to exceed this cap?

1948
03:00:50,000 --> 03:01:00,000
Now my suggestion to you all would be to vote no. By voting no, you can at least revisit and or revise later on down the road, should the commission see so.

1949
03:01:00,000 --> 03:01:13,000
So if you want to go up to seven and a half, go up to seven half, let them get the ballroom, but do we really want to put us on a small pedestal of only seven years of abatements for these crossings?

1950
03:01:13,000 --> 03:01:24,000
I think when you look at our our own congressman bill posing, started looking at the federal grants and took it to the GAO, that's a major concern for all of you to look out for all of us.

1951
03:01:24,000 --> 03:01:31,000
The last time, as it says up there, this is the second time you look at the FDFC amendment.

1952
03:01:31,000 --> 03:01:37,000
The last time you amended it was a 1994, we had a return on investment, is there any return on investment?

1953
03:01:37,000 --> 03:01:47,000
There's a bunch of promises being made, but I know, as a citizen of Melbourne, if I remember correctly, the last time we looked at this, God bless you sir.

1954
03:01:47,000 --> 03:01:53,000
That there's over 22 crossings just in Melbourne, that's going to be an issue back to my original objection.

1955
03:01:53,000 --> 03:02:01,000
When we look at these grade crossings, what are going to be the O&M prices after seven years?

1956
03:02:01,000 --> 03:02:08,000
I think I heard it's in, you know, eight to ten years, that's when everything's going to start failing, well we have to start thinking up the price for this.

1957
03:02:08,000 --> 03:02:13,000
I agree with my commissioner Andy Anderson, when this was brought to I think May.

1958
03:02:13,000 --> 03:02:19,000
This is probably one of the poorest business models I've seen myself, and I agree with Monique Miller.

1959
03:02:19,000 --> 03:02:22,000
I think what we're looking at here is a prematurity.

1960
03:02:22,000 --> 03:02:30,000
If you're going to allow FDFC to go ahead and issue these bonds per the interlocal agreement letter, let them go to that seven and a half million,

1961
03:02:30,000 --> 03:02:33,000
and if we need to revise later, we can.

1962
03:02:33,000 --> 03:02:44,000
So I'm urging you to vote no on this, and I would ask you to have them remain at their count, and then we can deal with this later.

1963
03:02:44,000 --> 03:02:46,000
Thank you very much.

1964
03:02:46,000 --> 03:03:01,000
Mr. Bob Webster, Bob Webster followed by Kim Hutchinson, Philip Nick Adam Barbara Nick.

1965
03:03:01,000 --> 03:03:02,000
Good afternoon.

1966
03:03:02,000 --> 03:03:09,000
My name is Bob Webster, my address is 288, one St. Bart's Square, Zero Beach.

1967
03:03:09,000 --> 03:03:16,000
And I want to start out by apologizing, I dump some email on your folks since Friday.

1968
03:03:16,000 --> 03:03:23,000
And the only reason because of late date is I didn't hear about this, and most of it was generated over that same time frame.

1969
03:03:23,000 --> 03:03:27,000
You have a copy of what my comments are going to be based on.

1970
03:03:27,000 --> 03:03:38,000
And I want to start by offering a conclusion in the words, I would suggest that you do go forward in a positive manner with this, I believe.

1971
03:03:38,000 --> 03:03:44,000
So the reasons are ample and justified, a positive move forward.

1972
03:03:44,000 --> 03:03:48,000
What form that takes and the timing is of course up to you.

1973
03:03:48,000 --> 03:03:54,000
But let me just go over some of the benefits of all the board.

1974
03:03:54,000 --> 03:03:56,000
I want to talk about the negative side.

1975
03:03:56,000 --> 03:03:58,000
Let's talk about what the benefits are.

1976
03:03:58,000 --> 03:04:06,000
And ironically, some of these benefits sound like the same issue that the tractors put out.

1977
03:04:06,000 --> 03:04:11,000
First off, let me talk about the operational improvements that lead to these benefits.

1978
03:04:11,000 --> 03:04:19,000
All board Florida at its expense will install a GPS based positive train control system.

1979
03:04:19,000 --> 03:04:20,000
What does that mean?

1980
03:04:20,000 --> 03:04:27,000
That means that they will know exactly where every train is at every time, both passenger and freight.

1981
03:04:27,000 --> 03:04:29,000
This is the state of the art.

1982
03:04:29,000 --> 03:04:30,000
It's mandated.

1983
03:04:30,000 --> 03:04:34,000
I haven't been able to find the latest version of when it's mandated by.

1984
03:04:34,000 --> 03:04:42,000
But it will get me here earlier than the data was mandated for all train systems operating at a certain level.

1985
03:04:42,000 --> 03:04:50,000
This will prevent any of the 20 or 19th and 20th century type accidents that occurred when they didn't know where trains are.

1986
03:04:50,000 --> 03:04:53,000
Even today, they just know from block to block where they are.

1987
03:04:53,000 --> 03:04:55,000
They don't know precisely where they are.

1988
03:04:55,000 --> 03:05:01,000
They also identify any problems, it grades, so that the trains can automatically be stopped.

1989
03:05:01,000 --> 03:05:08,000
If there is something stuck on the track, whether it's at a grade causing, I mean, it's going to monitor the system.

1990
03:05:08,000 --> 03:05:12,000
So it's a huge safety impact.

1991
03:05:12,000 --> 03:05:22,000
They're going to also double track the main line entirely between Palm Beach and Coco.

1992
03:05:22,000 --> 03:05:24,000
And that there will be real elements.

1993
03:05:24,000 --> 03:05:27,000
Now, that will help the orderly flow of traffic.

1994
03:05:27,000 --> 03:05:31,000
They're going to also triple track in certain areas.

1995
03:05:31,000 --> 03:05:36,000
I understand about three mile long segments where there are no grade crossings.

1996
03:05:36,000 --> 03:05:44,000
They're going to install compliance with sealed corridor requirements of the Federal Railroad Administration.

1997
03:05:44,000 --> 03:05:51,000
What sealed corridor is a safety enhancing requirement that makes all sides,

1998
03:05:51,000 --> 03:05:54,000
whether it's in a direction of travel or not be controlled by a gate.

1999
03:05:54,000 --> 03:06:01,000
It assures that it is barrier to prevent people from doing the silly maneuver that gets them killed.

2000
03:06:01,000 --> 03:06:06,000
And that is the cause of most deaths at crossings and impacts at crossings.

2001
03:06:06,000 --> 03:06:10,000
And that is to try to weave around the gates because they think they can beat the train.

2002
03:06:10,000 --> 03:06:13,000
That won't be possible with sealed corridor.

2003
03:06:13,000 --> 03:06:20,000
Interestingly enough sealed corridor gives you their requirements you need to obtain quiet zones.

2004
03:06:20,000 --> 03:06:23,000
And they're going to pay for them.

2005
03:06:23,000 --> 03:06:26,000
There's very little else you have to do for most crossings.

2006
03:06:26,000 --> 03:06:29,000
There could be some, every crossing is different, so there could be some exceptions.

2007
03:06:29,000 --> 03:06:34,000
But for the most part, all you're going to have to do is make a request and install a couple of signs,

2008
03:06:34,000 --> 03:06:40,000
warning the traveling traffic public that the horns won't be sounding for this crossing.

2009
03:06:40,000 --> 03:06:45,000
So this idea that these are going to be, to obtain quiet zones is going to be a big expense

2010
03:06:45,000 --> 03:06:50,000
that the community is far fetched and not supported by the facts.

2011
03:06:50,000 --> 03:06:56,000
And I maintain that these changes will actually improve the health well-being safety of the people.

2012
03:06:56,000 --> 03:07:05,000
Because trains, they're going to realign not just where these tracks are, but they're going to get them to tighter tolerances

2013
03:07:05,000 --> 03:07:09,000
so that they can run with less vibration and faster.

2014
03:07:09,000 --> 03:07:14,000
And that will include traits, so your crossing gate times will be significantly reduced.

2015
03:07:15,000 --> 03:07:23,000
And that will allow some of the reduction in the crossing times for traits will be absorbed by the new passenger service.

2016
03:07:23,000 --> 03:07:32,000
I wanted to quickly say something about the crossings, crossings exist at the public's convenience.

2017
03:07:32,000 --> 03:07:34,000
The railroad doesn't want to crossings.

2018
03:07:34,000 --> 03:07:41,000
So if the public wants that crossing, there are really obligated to pay for it and they're obligated to pay the maintenance of it.

2019
03:07:41,000 --> 03:07:45,000
So if they don't want to pay that maintenance, then abandon the crossing.

2020
03:07:45,000 --> 03:07:50,000
So I mean, there are a number of other issues I could talk to, but they're addressed to the material I sent.

2021
03:07:50,000 --> 03:07:53,000
Thank you. I appreciate the time to speak with you.

2022
03:07:53,000 --> 03:07:55,000
Thank you.

2023
03:07:59,000 --> 03:08:03,000
Kim Hutchinson, followed by Philip McKettum.

2024
03:08:09,000 --> 03:08:13,000
Hi, I'm Kim Hutchinson, good afternoon, officially afternoon.

2025
03:08:13,000 --> 03:08:20,000
I am a fourth generation Floridian from Weirman, scarry Pemperpine, Florida.

2026
03:08:20,000 --> 03:08:24,000
I love Florida. I love the beauty of Florida. I love everything about it.

2027
03:08:24,000 --> 03:08:28,000
But the fact is, so does a lot of other people.

2028
03:08:28,000 --> 03:08:35,000
Last year, we had 94.7 million visitors to the state of Florida.

2029
03:08:35,000 --> 03:08:43,000
And this year, it is projected this year or next year, Florida's growth will surpass New York.

2030
03:08:44,000 --> 03:08:48,000
Again, I love Florida, but there's a lot of folks on the road.

2031
03:08:48,000 --> 03:08:53,000
And we need to find other ways of other modes of mobility to get them off the roads.

2032
03:08:53,000 --> 03:08:56,000
And I think all aboard Florida is the way to go. Thank you.

2033
03:08:56,000 --> 03:08:57,000
Thank you.

2034
03:08:57,000 --> 03:08:59,000
Philip McKettum.

2035
03:09:00,000 --> 03:09:02,000
Thank you.

2036
03:09:02,000 --> 03:09:03,000
Thank you.

2037
03:09:03,000 --> 03:09:06,000
My name's Fort McGout and my living Johnson Beach.

2038
03:09:06,000 --> 03:09:10,000
I would first like to say that I'm not against trains.

2039
03:09:10,000 --> 03:09:13,000
My father earned his living for 40 years from trains.

2040
03:09:13,000 --> 03:09:18,000
I'm against this particular train in the path that it wants to take.

2041
03:09:18,000 --> 03:09:26,000
The other thing I'd like to ask the board, a major portion of the taxpayers I'm not here yet.

2042
03:09:26,000 --> 03:09:31,000
And I asked you to please wait until they show up.

2043
03:09:31,000 --> 03:09:36,000
They deserve to have the right to join in on these meetings.

2044
03:09:36,000 --> 03:09:44,000
I want to read to you a resolution written by the President of the H.O.A. on a property that we have in St. Lucy.

2045
03:09:44,000 --> 03:09:51,000
Resolution for tax abatement due to all aboard Florida as adverse effects on property values.

2046
03:09:51,000 --> 03:09:56,000
Vietnam, the Oaks and Indian River property on associations.

2047
03:09:56,000 --> 03:10:01,000
Is that in the opposed to all aboard Florida, high speed trains and

2048
03:10:01,000 --> 03:10:03,000
associate track upgrades.

2049
03:10:03,000 --> 03:10:07,000
The excessive amount of trains to run from Miami to Orlando.

2050
03:10:07,000 --> 03:10:18,000
32 per day 32 per day proposed and will severe adverse effects on the property values on the Oaks and Indian River and the property

2051
03:10:18,000 --> 03:10:21,000
on Indian River drive.

2052
03:10:21,000 --> 03:10:28,000
Since the all aboard high speed train was announced the property values in our association have been going down.

2053
03:10:28,000 --> 03:10:34,000
Before the announcement, and when property values were still low due to the economic turn down,

2054
03:10:34,000 --> 03:10:37,000
they could land sold for $100,000.

2055
03:10:37,000 --> 03:10:45,000
Since the announcement of the proposed trains, property is settled for a 60 and 70,000 dollars.

2056
03:10:45,000 --> 03:10:49,000
And the time when the average property values in the county have risen.

2057
03:10:49,000 --> 03:10:55,000
There can be no doubt that this is a direct result of all aboard Florida.

2058
03:10:55,000 --> 03:11:03,000
Properties along the Guada typically rise much faster than properties that are in land.

2059
03:11:03,000 --> 03:11:07,000
Yet the values of the properties in this area actually are falling.

2060
03:11:07,000 --> 03:11:13,000
The address of tax of having an excessive amount of trains being proposed to travel along this corridor

2061
03:11:13,000 --> 03:11:17,000
has deeply depressed the values.

2062
03:11:17,000 --> 03:11:23,000
We have not seen cars born in a decrease in property taxes.

2063
03:11:23,000 --> 03:11:31,000
The Oaks of Indian River property association sees this bureaucratic move by AAF unsound.

2064
03:11:31,000 --> 03:11:34,000
And permanently unconscionable burden to our residents.

2065
03:11:34,000 --> 03:11:41,000
We are urging our residents to apply for tax abit and to voice their opposition to all aboard Florida.

2066
03:11:41,000 --> 03:11:45,000
Now, we have a piece of land that my wife purchased 10 years ago.

2067
03:11:45,000 --> 03:11:52,000
And last year I decided to go there and start clarinet because we hadn't had any sales in that property for years.

2068
03:11:52,000 --> 03:11:54,000
And all of a sudden it started to move.

2069
03:11:54,000 --> 03:11:57,000
So I went down and started clarinet in the process.

2070
03:11:57,000 --> 03:12:01,000
I was bit by a snake and almost run over by a pig.

2071
03:12:01,000 --> 03:12:04,000
So friends of mine in Boston said, what are you doing?

2072
03:12:04,000 --> 03:12:07,000
So I'm working in Jurassic Park.

2073
03:12:07,000 --> 03:12:10,000
Last March, we had no offer on the property.

2074
03:12:11,000 --> 03:12:14,000
Now, I dropped, we had a lot of view on our property.

2075
03:12:14,000 --> 03:12:17,000
This property had so far 100,000 didn't have one of you.

2076
03:12:17,000 --> 03:12:21,000
So we adjusted the price down to 80,000 when we had all these problems.

2077
03:12:21,000 --> 03:12:23,000
We had an offer of 80,000.

2078
03:12:23,000 --> 03:12:27,000
The person stepped up, ate this offer, came down here from Maryland,

2079
03:12:27,000 --> 03:12:30,000
found out about the trains and walked away from the offer.

2080
03:12:30,000 --> 03:12:35,000
Since then, we've lost another buyer from this property.

2081
03:12:35,000 --> 03:12:39,000
It is unbelievable on this impact study.

2082
03:12:39,000 --> 03:12:41,000
I've been both my whole life.

2083
03:12:41,000 --> 03:12:45,000
How they could take trains and run them down our coast.

2084
03:12:45,000 --> 03:12:48,000
I spent a lot of time in Brevard County.

2085
03:12:48,000 --> 03:12:53,000
30 years ago, what made me moved to Florida was the move that Melbourne made

2086
03:12:53,000 --> 03:12:56,000
to not let high rises go up on the beach.

2087
03:12:56,000 --> 03:12:59,000
And now, let them take these trains down.

2088
03:12:59,000 --> 03:13:01,000
I opened a car in Atlanta.

2089
03:13:01,000 --> 03:13:04,000
I'm not opposing them running these trains.

2090
03:13:04,000 --> 03:13:07,000
The other thing is, they want to get private finances.

2091
03:13:07,000 --> 03:13:10,000
I ask representatives from A.A.F.

2092
03:13:10,000 --> 03:13:13,000
and point and beach meeting simple questions.

2093
03:13:13,000 --> 03:13:16,000
How much is a ticket from Miami to Orlando?

2094
03:13:16,000 --> 03:13:18,000
They told me they can't disclose it.

2095
03:13:18,000 --> 03:13:20,000
Now, they can't disclose it.

2096
03:13:20,000 --> 03:13:24,000
It's very obvious to me that their business model is not in place.

2097
03:13:24,000 --> 03:13:29,000
Or that ticket is so expensive that no one is going to buy it for a family of four.

2098
03:13:29,000 --> 03:13:33,000
This is, I've been around a lot of business since.

2099
03:13:33,000 --> 03:13:37,000
The other things, the Sympac study, to only allow 75 days.

2100
03:13:37,000 --> 03:13:42,000
I used to be able to copy and develop gas stations and put big signs on highways.

2101
03:13:42,000 --> 03:13:46,000
We had to give residents surrounding residents notices.

2102
03:13:46,000 --> 03:13:49,000
It would take 200 days and that was 30 years ago.

2103
03:13:49,000 --> 03:13:52,000
And now they only allow us 75 days.

2104
03:13:52,000 --> 03:13:58,000
I ask you to please put this float on hold until the rest of the residents show up.

2105
03:13:58,000 --> 03:14:00,000
Thank you very much.

2106
03:14:00,000 --> 03:14:17,000
Barbara Nick, followed by William Capote and Jan Black.

2107
03:14:17,000 --> 03:14:19,000
Yes, it is afternoon.

2108
03:14:19,000 --> 03:14:22,000
Thank you for letting us speak.

2109
03:14:22,000 --> 03:14:27,000
I brought this issue up several months ago to the county when I found out about it.

2110
03:14:27,000 --> 03:14:30,000
And I found out about it from the group in Indian River County.

2111
03:14:30,000 --> 03:14:36,000
And at that time, I was appalled at what I learned about this train.

2112
03:14:36,000 --> 03:14:40,000
It's going to rip our county into.

2113
03:14:40,000 --> 03:14:46,000
To this day, I have not found any positive thing for Brevard County on this.

2114
03:14:46,000 --> 03:14:49,000
My opinion has not changed.

2115
03:14:49,000 --> 03:14:52,000
This is not good for Brevard County.

2116
03:14:53,000 --> 03:14:55,000
I think we have a bunch of rabbits in the room.

2117
03:14:55,000 --> 03:15:00,000
They're chasing the carrot called a station for Brevard County.

2118
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:07,000
They don't have any plans of putting a station here. How many years do we have to wait?

2119
03:15:07,000 --> 03:15:13,000
Till they decide there's enough money here that they want to put a station.

2120
03:15:13,000 --> 03:15:18,000
I wouldn't object to this if it was out in the western part of the county.

2121
03:15:18,000 --> 03:15:28,000
If it didn't run through our major, our population areas, our busiest roads, it's just a

2122
03:15:28,000 --> 03:15:36,000
calling that what it will do to the county. The gentleman that spoke from the board of

2123
03:15:36,000 --> 03:15:41,000
Realtors stated all the facts that I learned when I first learned about this.

2124
03:15:41,000 --> 03:15:50,000
And I agree with everything he said, the attorney from Indian River County stated very well, why we

2125
03:15:50,000 --> 03:15:57,000
should not be voting on this today. At least today, I'm not sure if we ever should.

2126
03:15:58,000 --> 03:16:01,000
I didn't move here because of mass transit.

2127
03:16:01,000 --> 03:16:04,000
Brevard County, I've been here since 1976.

2128
03:16:04,000 --> 03:16:11,000
Brevard County was a quiet town, which I enjoyed, and I think that's why most people came here.

2129
03:16:11,000 --> 03:16:16,000
If they wanted to move to a big city with mass transit, they had plenty of choices.

2130
03:16:16,000 --> 03:16:21,000
They could state up north, they wanted that. That's not why they came here.

2131
03:16:21,000 --> 03:16:30,000
They came here for the life style, the climate and the slower, you know, more relaxed

2132
03:16:30,000 --> 03:16:36,000
way of life. They have plenty of places to go if they want the traffic, the traffic

2133
03:16:36,000 --> 03:16:42,000
backups, if they want to ride trains, if they want the big city life.

2134
03:16:42,000 --> 03:16:46,000
And it's not that hard to get down there with the interstate.

2135
03:16:46,000 --> 03:16:53,000
We don't have traffic jams on our interstate. They're not backed up unless there's an accident.

2136
03:16:53,000 --> 03:17:00,000
And there's not many fortunately. But what happens if we have an accident from the trains?

2137
03:17:00,000 --> 03:17:06,000
I'm much back up in traffic throughout the whole whole city of Melbourne.

2138
03:17:06,000 --> 03:17:10,000
Is there going to be?

2139
03:17:10,000 --> 03:17:17,000
I think those people speaking today from South Florida don't have a right to come here and tell us

2140
03:17:17,000 --> 03:17:23,000
how we should live.

2141
03:17:23,000 --> 03:17:28,000
They didn't elect you. The citizens of Brevard County elected you.

2142
03:17:28,000 --> 03:17:34,000
Does look after our best interest, not the interest of those from South Florida, they want to ride

2143
03:17:34,000 --> 03:17:39,000
the train to Miami, from Miami, to Orlando.

2144
03:17:39,000 --> 03:17:44,000
If you go with what they want, you can change the motto for Brevard County to say,

2145
03:17:44,000 --> 03:17:47,000
Brevard, a bump in the road.

2146
03:17:47,000 --> 03:17:50,000
Thank you.

2147
03:17:51,000 --> 03:18:11,000
Good afternoon, Madam Chair, Commissioner.

2148
03:18:11,000 --> 03:18:12,000
Are you doing okay?

2149
03:18:12,000 --> 03:18:14,000
My first time in front of you.

2150
03:18:14,000 --> 03:18:15,000
Did you make your mayor?

2151
03:18:15,000 --> 03:18:17,000
Something like that.

2152
03:18:17,000 --> 03:18:20,000
But I'm here in support of all of board.

2153
03:18:20,000 --> 03:18:24,000
Let me give you my perspective.

2154
03:18:24,000 --> 03:18:32,000
I know that I may disagree and agree with some people in the room, but the reality is this.

2155
03:18:32,000 --> 03:18:39,000
We're writing a new script as I told my students today.

2156
03:18:39,000 --> 03:18:43,000
You could either stay doing the same old thing.

2157
03:18:43,000 --> 03:18:48,000
I track businesses like Nathan Grumman and Brevard into your area.

2158
03:18:48,000 --> 03:18:51,000
Bring young people into your area.

2159
03:18:51,000 --> 03:18:56,000
And don't provide the services that they're looking forward to.

2160
03:18:56,000 --> 03:18:58,000
A lady just dated before.

2161
03:18:58,000 --> 03:19:01,000
Majority of the people may include myself.

2162
03:19:01,000 --> 03:19:02,000
Okay?

2163
03:19:02,000 --> 03:19:05,000
Well, I might be on their shoes later on.

2164
03:19:05,000 --> 03:19:08,000
May not get to see this train.

2165
03:19:08,000 --> 03:19:09,000
Maybe we will.

2166
03:19:09,000 --> 03:19:14,000
But the reality is that I've been around the country a few times in the last two years.

2167
03:19:14,000 --> 03:19:20,000
And a lot of the cities are structured now for a newer generation.

2168
03:19:20,000 --> 03:19:26,000
The new generation that we belong to, what we call the baby boomers, that are retiring to Florida,

2169
03:19:26,000 --> 03:19:30,000
who are accustomed to a community that was built.

2170
03:19:30,000 --> 03:19:33,000
Their grandparents lived in a city.

2171
03:19:33,000 --> 03:19:35,000
They went to college.

2172
03:19:35,000 --> 03:19:39,000
Made the money and bought houses in the suburbs.

2173
03:19:39,000 --> 03:19:42,000
Then on a sudden, that was the trend for the last 50 years.

2174
03:19:42,000 --> 03:19:50,000
This is a new trend that you need to get ready for, which is called the Millennials and the Gen X.

2175
03:19:50,000 --> 03:19:53,000
And they like transportation.

2176
03:19:53,000 --> 03:20:01,000
They like being in their community, which is called everything in close, multi-use.

2177
03:20:01,000 --> 03:20:08,000
So I would compel you to think about what kind of community you want to built into the future.

2178
03:20:08,000 --> 03:20:17,000
And if you want to continue to attract these businesses into the area and those young engineers and young families.

2179
03:20:17,000 --> 03:20:24,000
And how do you want the new economy to be to rethink your position as you take a choice here?

2180
03:20:24,000 --> 03:20:27,000
And I know because I sit in your shoes when I make choices.

2181
03:20:27,000 --> 03:20:34,000
And I don't think it's fair to pass the book to the next person who's going to get elected in November.

2182
03:20:34,000 --> 03:20:40,000
I think that is, you'll legacy this being determined here in a positive and negative that you have to live with.

2183
03:20:40,000 --> 03:20:45,000
And I always say I could always live with my decision, put my head on the pillow and go to sleep.

2184
03:20:45,000 --> 03:20:54,000
Because I've done my research and where there is the popular vote on popular vote, I live with it, because I've done my research.

2185
03:20:54,000 --> 03:20:58,000
And now so really what I wanted to come and tell you here today.

2186
03:20:58,000 --> 03:21:00,000
This is a good thing for our community.

2187
03:21:00,000 --> 03:21:02,000
There's going to be differences of opinion.

2188
03:21:02,000 --> 03:21:04,000
And that's why we live in America.

2189
03:21:04,000 --> 03:21:07,000
And that's why we have such a great political system.

2190
03:21:07,000 --> 03:21:10,000
Because everybody is entitled to their opinion.

2191
03:21:10,000 --> 03:21:13,000
But then you have to render the vote.

2192
03:21:13,000 --> 03:21:16,000
And that's your job.

2193
03:21:16,000 --> 03:21:18,000
We could have all the opinions we want out here.

2194
03:21:18,000 --> 03:21:20,000
And I sit in your shoes and you know that.

2195
03:21:20,000 --> 03:21:24,000
And sometimes I make unpopular decisions, but I have to live with them.

2196
03:21:24,000 --> 03:21:26,000
Thank you.

2197
03:21:26,000 --> 03:21:29,000
Thank you, sir.

2198
03:21:29,000 --> 03:21:38,000
Jan Black.

2199
03:21:38,000 --> 03:21:40,000
Good afternoon, commissioners.

2200
03:21:40,000 --> 03:21:41,000
Jan Black.

2201
03:21:41,000 --> 03:21:44,000
9807 Riverview Drive.

2202
03:21:44,000 --> 03:21:45,000
Micah.

2203
03:21:45,000 --> 03:21:49,000
Just barely in Bernard County, but we are in the yard.

2204
03:21:49,000 --> 03:21:54,000
Just I have one thing I just wanted to ask maybe the attorney could tell me.

2205
03:21:54,000 --> 03:21:56,000
Because I haven't really researched.

2206
03:21:56,000 --> 03:22:02,000
If we if you do this resolution today, I realize the money really isn't coming from Florida.

2207
03:22:02,000 --> 03:22:04,000
They're just a pass through from the U.S.

2208
03:22:04,000 --> 03:22:06,000
The O.T. or whatever they call it.

2209
03:22:06,000 --> 03:22:14,000
Does that will that impact our county be enabled to use some of those same funds for things here in the county?

2210
03:22:14,000 --> 03:22:19,000
Because I know that's been done in other places with FDFs.

2211
03:22:19,000 --> 03:22:21,000
Would you like to answer, sir?

2212
03:22:21,000 --> 03:22:24,000
What they're looking for today is private activity bonds.

2213
03:22:24,000 --> 03:22:25,000
I know that.

2214
03:22:25,000 --> 03:22:27,000
We need the money's going to come from private sources.

2215
03:22:27,000 --> 03:22:28,000
It's not going to affect the counties.

2216
03:22:28,000 --> 03:22:30,000
I understand that at all.

2217
03:22:30,000 --> 03:22:31,000
But it's coming.

2218
03:22:31,000 --> 03:22:34,000
It's being issued through FDFs.

2219
03:22:34,000 --> 03:22:38,000
There's a certain amount of money per year or something.

2220
03:22:38,000 --> 03:22:42,000
That counties can receive through that.

2221
03:22:42,000 --> 03:22:44,000
But we're not receiving any money.

2222
03:22:44,000 --> 03:22:46,000
So it's not an issue for us.

2223
03:22:46,000 --> 03:22:47,000
Okay.

2224
03:22:47,000 --> 03:22:49,000
But I mean, the fact that FDFs.

2225
03:22:49,000 --> 03:22:50,000
Okay.

2226
03:22:50,000 --> 03:22:51,000
That's what I need to know.

2227
03:22:51,000 --> 03:22:55,000
The other thing that's important to me is I hear so many people say

2228
03:22:55,000 --> 03:22:58,000
And that talk about quiet zones, quiet zones,

2229
03:22:58,000 --> 03:23:01,000
and everybody thinks that's the be all sent in.

2230
03:23:02,000 --> 03:23:06,000
I was looking at some information in the TPO that showed me

2231
03:23:06,000 --> 03:23:10,000
There are five crossings in Brevard County

2232
03:23:10,000 --> 03:23:15,000
that have moderate impact as a result of the trend.

2233
03:23:15,000 --> 03:23:16,000
There are none.

2234
03:23:16,000 --> 03:23:18,000
That's so severe impact.

2235
03:23:18,000 --> 03:23:22,000
If, unless that, and that was applied to the engineering company,

2236
03:23:22,000 --> 03:23:27,000
that GOP put to work to find out.

2237
03:23:27,000 --> 03:23:32,000
So if that's true to me that means maybe there's five crossings that would be

2238
03:23:32,000 --> 03:23:35,000
eligible for quiet zone, and none others.

2239
03:23:35,000 --> 03:23:38,000
I know up is Tom's here today.

2240
03:23:38,000 --> 03:23:40,000
Maybe he can tell us that's been changed.

2241
03:23:40,000 --> 03:23:42,000
But that's what was in the report.

2242
03:23:42,000 --> 03:23:49,000
Also, we left Brevard County because it got so crowded.

2243
03:23:49,000 --> 03:23:52,000
And then that's why we came here.

2244
03:23:52,000 --> 03:23:55,000
So I understand the people down there how they want to be able to move

2245
03:23:55,000 --> 03:23:58,000
because traffic doesn't move.

2246
03:23:58,000 --> 03:24:01,000
I also understand the college students.

2247
03:24:01,000 --> 03:24:06,000
But my thought about that is I think some of the kids in Brevard County

2248
03:24:06,000 --> 03:24:12,000
would love to have the opportunity to hop on a train here and go to the University of Miami

2249
03:24:12,000 --> 03:24:14,000
University of Central Florida.

2250
03:24:14,000 --> 03:24:21,000
So again, we're being asked to be a donor county to my way of thinking.

2251
03:24:21,000 --> 03:24:26,000
I'm a physician to pay in all that money, and I'm whatever you do.

2252
03:24:26,000 --> 03:24:31,000
Seven year moratorium is ludicrous.

2253
03:24:31,000 --> 03:24:36,000
Consider when you think about in perpetuity after that, what the citizens

2254
03:24:36,000 --> 03:24:38,000
are going to be stuck with.

2255
03:24:38,000 --> 03:24:39,000
That's it.

2256
03:24:39,000 --> 03:24:40,000
Thanks.

2257
03:24:40,000 --> 03:24:42,000
Reverend Glenn.

2258
03:24:42,000 --> 03:24:43,000
Thanks.

2259
03:24:43,000 --> 03:24:49,000
And then we have two cards left.

2260
03:24:49,000 --> 03:24:59,000
Wow.

2261
03:24:59,000 --> 03:25:03,000
I thought this time would never come.

2262
03:25:03,000 --> 03:25:04,000
Yes.

2263
03:25:04,000 --> 03:25:08,000
Talk to the choir, honey.

2264
03:25:08,000 --> 03:25:11,000
I feel kind of gay.

2265
03:25:11,000 --> 03:25:16,000
All the bad.

2266
03:25:16,000 --> 03:25:19,000
I haven't said that since kindergarten.

2267
03:25:19,000 --> 03:25:22,000
And I'm excited about seeing it now.

2268
03:25:22,000 --> 03:25:28,000
It's an opportunity for Brevard County to get on board.

2269
03:25:28,000 --> 03:25:31,000
Get on board the future.

2270
03:25:31,000 --> 03:25:34,000
And the future is now.

2271
03:25:34,000 --> 03:25:36,000
I haven't been paid.

2272
03:25:36,000 --> 03:25:37,000
I'm just passionate.

2273
03:25:37,000 --> 03:25:39,000
What am I passionate about?

2274
03:25:39,000 --> 03:25:45,000
I'm passionate about jobs for persons in my congregation.

2275
03:25:45,000 --> 03:25:46,000
Six, twenty five.

2276
03:25:46,000 --> 03:25:48,000
I've done an avenue.

2277
03:25:48,000 --> 03:25:51,000
Tidesville Florida.

2278
03:25:51,000 --> 03:25:55,000
Tidesville has been impacted tremendously.

2279
03:25:55,000 --> 03:25:57,000
By job loss.

2280
03:25:57,000 --> 03:26:03,000
And I'm passionate about anything that can create jobs for people in Brevard County.

2281
03:26:03,000 --> 03:26:11,000
And more especially for persons in Tidesville to have the opportunity.

2282
03:26:11,000 --> 03:26:15,000
And so I think we need to do it.

2283
03:26:15,000 --> 03:26:20,000
I think also the fact that I am a native of Jacksonville, if they should expand.

2284
03:26:20,000 --> 03:26:23,000
And end up in Jacksonville.

2285
03:26:23,000 --> 03:26:27,000
It's good because the noise on will go past Tidesville.

2286
03:26:27,000 --> 03:26:34,000
It will be able to benefit from that same barrier, which I think is important.

2287
03:26:35,000 --> 03:26:40,000
Lastly, but certainly not least, I think the port is taking the right approach.

2288
03:26:40,000 --> 03:26:44,000
And that is that this may have Kingston.

2289
03:26:44,000 --> 03:26:48,000
But you'll never throw the baby out with the bad for it.

2290
03:26:48,000 --> 03:26:52,000
And so I would ask that you commissioners.

2291
03:26:52,000 --> 03:26:55,000
Not throw the baby out with the bad water.

2292
03:26:55,000 --> 03:26:56,000
If we need to fix it.

2293
03:26:56,000 --> 03:26:59,000
That's passing and fix it and move forward.

2294
03:26:59,000 --> 03:27:01,000
But that's not in P progress.

2295
03:27:01,000 --> 03:27:03,000
Thank you and God bless.

2296
03:27:03,000 --> 03:27:06,000
Thank you.

2297
03:27:06,000 --> 03:27:09,000
Houston.

2298
03:27:09,000 --> 03:27:13,000
The next speaker.

2299
03:27:13,000 --> 03:27:14,000
Thank you, Chairwoman.

2300
03:27:14,000 --> 03:27:17,000
Who's saying Comber Florida East Coast in the streets 28.

2301
03:27:17,000 --> 03:27:20,000
55 South Bulls Union Road Coral Gamble Sport up.

2302
03:27:20,000 --> 03:27:23,000
I appreciate the opportunity to address all of you today.

2303
03:27:23,000 --> 03:27:27,000
But let me start off by first thinking Scott and Stockton.

2304
03:27:27,000 --> 03:27:31,000
We've been working with them for for weeks to get to today.

2305
03:27:31,000 --> 03:27:39,000
And should be proud of the fact that not only are they very accessible and receptive, but we've had a good exchange of ideas.

2306
03:27:39,000 --> 03:27:45,000
And where we are today is not based on all the board floor to walking in and saying here's what we need.

2307
03:27:45,000 --> 03:27:57,000
What's before you today is all the board floor to and your staff working together to find a middle ground that we could present to you today.

2308
03:27:57,000 --> 03:28:01,000
And that's important because it has to be a dialogue.

2309
03:28:01,000 --> 03:28:10,000
And it really concerns me when people stand up here at the microphone and say that the railroad came in and said this is how it needs to be.

2310
03:28:10,000 --> 03:28:12,000
None of us talk like that.

2311
03:28:12,000 --> 03:28:21,000
And we've had interaction with with many of you and and you know those are the type of words that that I know the opposition likes to quote.

2312
03:28:21,000 --> 03:28:24,000
But it's never been you know been uttered.

2313
03:28:24,000 --> 03:28:31,000
And today we have an important point in the in the evolution of this relationship with reward and and that's developing a partnership.

2314
03:28:31,000 --> 03:28:38,000
And a partnership that has started decades ago that continues today with what we do with the port.

2315
03:28:38,000 --> 03:28:41,000
What we do with the community.

2316
03:28:41,000 --> 03:28:49,000
And you've all said you want a voice and the agreement before you is exactly having that voice.

2317
03:28:49,000 --> 03:28:54,000
You've heard from local community support you've heard from your community leaders.

2318
03:28:54,000 --> 03:29:04,000
And Mayor Parrish I can't take credit for this for this comment but he put it very well several months ago when he said you can't expand a system that doesn't exist.

2319
03:29:04,000 --> 03:29:08,000
And he said you have to build this first system.

2320
03:29:08,000 --> 03:29:12,000
You have to get it financed and then you can expand the system.

2321
03:29:12,000 --> 03:29:18,000
But what I can guarantee you is there is no stopping barred if all the board floor to is in constructed.

2322
03:29:18,000 --> 03:29:21,000
Today as I stand before you.

2323
03:29:21,000 --> 03:29:29,000
The Florida development finance corporation through its interlocal agreements because of a vote that took place in Miami-Dade County hours ago.

2324
03:29:29,000 --> 03:29:37,000
Has the ability to be the conduit to issue 1.375 billion in private activity bonds for all the board floor to.

2325
03:29:37,000 --> 03:29:46,000
So we're asking for you today is to be a partner and to allow us to issue the additional funds needed in order to move forward with the project.

2326
03:29:46,000 --> 03:29:49,000
We will issue those bonds no matter what.

2327
03:29:49,000 --> 03:29:53,000
But we feel it's important that Bervard have a seat at the table.

2328
03:29:53,000 --> 03:30:01,000
And that's why you've got the benefits of the quiet zones of the fees that were paying of the maintenance of the payment and all of that comes with the project.

2329
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:11,680
Private activity support today. Let me hit on the reverse private activity bond issue. One of the speakers

2330
03:30:11,680 --> 03:30:16,320
is correct. The riff loan has not been withdrawn. And the reason the riff loan has not been withdrawn

2331
03:30:16,320 --> 03:30:22,320
is we haven't had this vote today. We haven't issued the private activity bond yet. And what

2332
03:30:22,320 --> 03:30:28,040
we've said from day one that if we get the private activity bond allocation, it would substantially

2333
03:30:28,040 --> 03:30:33,160
reduce or replace the riff loan. And we can't be any more clearer about that. And depending on the

2334
03:30:33,160 --> 03:30:38,920
level of private activity bonds that were approved for, it will directly affect the riff loan. So

2335
03:30:38,920 --> 03:30:42,520
we're not withdrawing the riff loan because we don't know where we are with the private activity

2336
03:30:42,520 --> 03:30:49,720
bond process. Folks came to us and said, look, we've got issues with the risk to taxpayers. We disagree

2337
03:30:49,720 --> 03:30:56,760
with that statement. However, we did go back to the table, come up with an alternative that said, private

2338
03:30:56,760 --> 03:31:01,400
entities will be the ones that invest in this project. So when people walk up and say they have

2339
03:31:01,400 --> 03:31:07,000
concerns about the financial viability of this project, they have concerns whether the ridership will

2340
03:31:07,000 --> 03:31:12,920
exist. They should actually want this process to play out because if you have private entities

2341
03:31:12,920 --> 03:31:19,400
that have to do their own due diligence, the most sophisticated financial institutions in this country

2342
03:31:19,400 --> 03:31:25,880
that have to underwrite this project. You do not sell $1.75 billion worth of private activity bonds

2343
03:31:25,880 --> 03:31:32,200
because somebody says the marketing material looks really nice. They will do their own due diligence.

2344
03:31:32,200 --> 03:31:36,200
And so if you have concerns about financial viability, if you had concerns about ridership,

2345
03:31:36,200 --> 03:31:41,240
this is exactly the process you want to play out where you are giving private entities the ability to

2346
03:31:41,240 --> 03:31:49,240
do their own due diligence and invest in this project. Let me also mention the draft EIS because a lot of

2347
03:31:49,240 --> 03:31:57,240
people have brought up what's been in the draft EIS document. We paid for the consultant to complete

2348
03:31:57,240 --> 03:32:02,360
that study, but that consultant reported to the Federal Railroad Administration. They took direction

2349
03:32:02,360 --> 03:32:07,000
from the Federal Railroad Administration. So when people say the Federal Government should spend money

2350
03:32:07,800 --> 03:32:13,720
for these types of projects, the Federal Government agrees and says, we are not going to do the work

2351
03:32:13,720 --> 03:32:20,120
for free and so we are going to charge the entity the projects sponsor for it. Let me end by saying

2352
03:32:20,120 --> 03:32:28,040
on that issue it is an independent party that developed that document that laid out the facts of the

2353
03:32:28,040 --> 03:32:34,440
impacts of this project and the conclusion of that document which we did not see until everybody else in this

2354
03:32:34,440 --> 03:32:41,000
room saw it so that the project had limited impacts if the mitigation measures, the 19 mitigation

2355
03:32:41,000 --> 03:32:47,480
measures laid out were implemented. We have committed to agree to all of those 19 mitigation measures.

2356
03:32:48,200 --> 03:32:54,040
Thank you for your time this afternoon. Thank you. Have a nice running, sir.

2357
03:32:57,080 --> 03:33:00,440
I'm Chairwoman, my name is Mike Rininger and I'm the President of all aboard Florida,

2358
03:33:00,440 --> 03:33:04,520
members of the Commission. I asked to be here before you today. I appreciate the opportunity to take

2359
03:33:04,520 --> 03:33:09,480
a few minutes of your time. I also like to start by saying that I very much appreciate the comments from

2360
03:33:09,480 --> 03:33:14,120
everybody that took the time today to be here and let their voice be heard around the subject of

2361
03:33:14,120 --> 03:33:20,440
all aboard Florida. With certainty, the topic is something that generates an enormous amount of interest

2362
03:33:20,440 --> 03:33:26,680
across the state and it generates passionate views on every side, all of which are equally important

2363
03:33:26,680 --> 03:33:32,120
and the discourse associated with it we consider to be a central component of moving this forward in a very

2364
03:33:32,120 --> 03:33:36,840
productive and meaningful way. But with the very few moments that I have here today what I'd like to

2365
03:33:37,400 --> 03:33:41,640
do as I believe on the last speaker is perhaps focused this back in to the issues that are on the

2366
03:33:41,640 --> 03:33:47,160
table before you today. The first thing I'd like to do is start with a distinction between the

2367
03:33:47,160 --> 03:33:51,960
action that you're being asked to take today and the ongoing actions associated with the remainder of

2368
03:33:51,960 --> 03:33:57,640
the approval of approval for the project for its extension into the second phase into Orlando,

2369
03:33:57,640 --> 03:34:04,280
which is the subject of an ongoing environmental impact state study. These two actions are completely

2370
03:34:04,280 --> 03:34:08,920
distinct and separate from one another. So what happens here today with regard to your particular

2371
03:34:08,920 --> 03:34:14,600
boat in your particular action is related only to the financing of the project. It has nothing whatsoever

2372
03:34:14,600 --> 03:34:19,880
to do with the approval processes associated with the environmental impact statement. That process will

2373
03:34:19,880 --> 03:34:25,640
remain exactly as it always has been under the process that has been laid out and will continue its natural

2374
03:34:25,640 --> 03:34:31,480
course of things where everybody continues to have access to voicing their point of view and ultimately

2375
03:34:31,480 --> 03:34:36,200
the assessments will be made by the federal railway administration and all of the other cooperating

2376
03:34:36,200 --> 03:34:41,800
agencies of the federal government who have purview over that particular process. So it's important to note

2377
03:34:41,800 --> 03:34:47,720
that those two things are separate from one another. The second thing I'd like to point out is

2378
03:34:48,360 --> 03:34:56,200
all aboard Florida is effectively a direct investment into infrastructure and as with all infrastructure

2379
03:34:56,200 --> 03:35:02,280
investment programs it will generate enormous jobs and billions of dollars of economic activity.

2380
03:35:02,840 --> 03:35:09,800
It will additionally generate environmental and safety benefits that will be felt throughout the

2381
03:35:09,800 --> 03:35:16,280
entirety of the state of Florida. About 20% of the total investment that our company is going to be making

2382
03:35:16,280 --> 03:35:20,680
into the rail infrastructure that will be supporting our business will be made right here in

2383
03:35:20,760 --> 03:35:25,400
Brevard County and therefore the benefits that stream out of that direct investment here to

2384
03:35:25,400 --> 03:35:34,280
Brevard County will come along directly with that investment. The project all aboard Florida produces

2385
03:35:34,280 --> 03:35:42,840
important enhancements to the mobility of the state of Florida and mobility is central to prosperous

2386
03:35:42,840 --> 03:35:47,720
and sustainable economies everywhere in the United States and in fact everywhere in the world.

2387
03:35:48,680 --> 03:35:53,640
But for the investment from our sources here that we're proposing with you today,

2388
03:35:54,360 --> 03:36:00,520
these needs, these transportation mobility needs, with otherwise need to be serviced from public funds

2389
03:36:00,520 --> 03:36:05,880
as they traditionally are in the form of taxpayer contributions in one form or another to take on these

2390
03:36:05,880 --> 03:36:11,640
infrastructure challenges. What is unique about the opportunity that is before you today is a methodology

2391
03:36:11,640 --> 03:36:16,840
to overcome that challenge in a way that does not place burden on to public entities or taxpayers

2392
03:36:16,840 --> 03:36:25,320
in any way shape or form. And lastly, the economics of the proposition are really pretty straightforward.

2393
03:36:25,320 --> 03:36:30,440
There is a finite amount of investment that we can make in order to produce a viable and profitable

2394
03:36:30,440 --> 03:36:37,480
private sector business. The more money of our investment that we have to spend to pay for debt

2395
03:36:37,480 --> 03:36:43,400
in the form of interest payments, the less money we have available to direct towards tangible assets.

2396
03:36:43,960 --> 03:36:50,440
And in fact, it's the tangible assets that generate the jobs, that generate the economic benefits,

2397
03:36:50,440 --> 03:36:56,200
that generate the environmental benefits, and also the sustainable aspects of what we're talking about here today.

2398
03:36:57,240 --> 03:37:04,360
The proposition before you today is a mechanism and incentive mechanism to reduce the cost of debt

2399
03:37:04,440 --> 03:37:10,040
thereby increasing the amount of money that we can invest directly in all forms of the tangible

2400
03:37:10,040 --> 03:37:15,960
assets that will in fact generate all the positive benefits that accrue from the development of all

2401
03:37:15,960 --> 03:37:22,040
aboard Florida as a project. That really is the central question that you're being asked to apply on here today.

2402
03:37:22,040 --> 03:37:29,160
And so what you have for you is an opportunity to help make this infrastructure program happen in the state of Florida

2403
03:37:29,160 --> 03:37:35,720
to be an at the table participant in the future of the operation in a way that places absolutely no burden,

2404
03:37:36,280 --> 03:37:43,480
absolutely no obligation, and absolutely no risk on any taxpayer here in Vard County or in fact anywhere else in the United States.

2405
03:37:43,480 --> 03:37:48,120
And that at the end of the day is the central question that you're being asked to apply it on today.

2406
03:37:48,120 --> 03:37:53,800
We very much appreciate all the time and attention that you've given to this subject matter up to this point and we look forward

2407
03:37:53,800 --> 03:37:58,120
to the results of your vote. Thank you for your time today.

2408
03:37:58,120 --> 03:38:00,120
Thank you very much.

2409
03:38:00,920 --> 03:38:02,920
Can we first?

2410
03:38:03,640 --> 03:38:07,320
I do have Commissioner Fisher and then followed by Commissioner Inventini.

2411
03:38:07,320 --> 03:38:12,760
I'm going to pass the card down to Commissioner Inventini. That was the card that the gentleman you wanted to speak with.

2412
03:38:12,760 --> 03:38:14,760
Commissioner Fisher.

2413
03:38:14,760 --> 03:38:20,200
I want to thank everybody for coming to in a half hours.

2414
03:38:21,720 --> 03:38:27,160
I think it's great that we get the input and I think it's great that we got the hear from different

2415
03:38:28,600 --> 03:38:34,280
people in different parts of the state. My concern has always been what's best for reward.

2416
03:38:34,920 --> 03:38:44,200
And so when I put my entrepreneur head on, I see a company that owns railroad tracks that

2417
03:38:45,720 --> 03:38:50,760
wants to use their property for something that they think can be successful.

2418
03:38:51,400 --> 03:38:55,640
And who am I to say, you can't do that.

2419
03:38:56,840 --> 03:39:00,200
And I think that's very difficult to do.

2420
03:39:00,200 --> 03:39:06,440
Now I didn't tell them that in the negotiations, but that's how I really, when I put my, when I put

2421
03:39:06,440 --> 03:39:09,400
my entrepreneur head on, that's how I, that's how I feel about it.

2422
03:39:10,120 --> 03:39:17,400
So then becomes my responsibility and I'm not going to judge whether they're ridership or work or won't work.

2423
03:39:17,960 --> 03:39:21,000
You know what, that's their business model. They need to do make a decision.

2424
03:39:21,000 --> 03:39:23,960
And the private and the market would decide whether they're working not.

2425
03:39:23,960 --> 03:39:29,320
I don't think it's my responsibility to figure out whether the Fed will regulate the safety of

2426
03:39:29,320 --> 03:39:33,000
trains running down the track of a certain distance. And so I get that.

2427
03:39:34,760 --> 03:39:40,520
But I do have the ability to say, how's the before going to benefit from it?

2428
03:39:40,520 --> 03:39:46,760
And then I've got the ability to put my negotiation head on, because I think I can lease slow to process

2429
03:39:46,760 --> 03:39:53,240
down or at least make them have dialogue. And I can assure you that Mr. Mike, the first time he met me,

2430
03:39:53,960 --> 03:40:01,640
he called me some names. Maybe not to my face, but I think he probably said some things.

2431
03:40:01,640 --> 03:40:06,200
I think he told me that this is good for Florida. And I think I told him, I'm not near as worried about

2432
03:40:06,200 --> 03:40:09,480
Florida than him, but by our county. There's some other legislators that worried about Florida.

2433
03:40:09,480 --> 03:40:16,840
So I didn't do that to you, clap, but just want to. So some of the things that we're seeing in front

2434
03:40:16,840 --> 03:40:28,120
of us today is a couple months of negotiations was dealing with the resolution dealing with FFTFC

2435
03:40:29,000 --> 03:40:33,880
ladder to pay a fee. It's the first time FFTFC ever paid a fee. In addition, bonds in this county.

2436
03:40:34,840 --> 03:40:39,000
But, you know, when I looked at where the bonds would be in issue throughout this county and I saw the

2437
03:40:39,000 --> 03:40:44,840
stops were going to other communities and we weren't having a stop. I felt like we deserve to be compensated

2438
03:40:44,840 --> 03:40:50,040
in some way for helping issue these bonds. I felt like the crossing agreements, they met when we first met,

2439
03:40:50,600 --> 03:40:57,000
you know, we're crossing their land, we should be paying for the maintenance. I think that well, maybe we should be.

2440
03:40:57,160 --> 03:41:02,440
But there was an opportunity to talk about how long and how the responsibility of maintenance

2441
03:41:02,440 --> 03:41:11,400
won't be. We had that dialogue. There were some conversations also in reference to the the

2442
03:41:11,400 --> 03:41:18,600
quad zones. That is some language there that's going to allow us to make sure that the county doesn't

2443
03:41:18,600 --> 03:41:26,520
get responsible for quad zones. Also, the other issue which was also important to me is that

2444
03:41:27,000 --> 03:41:33,640
I like to see the port and the TPO drive the study because the port and TPO drive the study can be more

2445
03:41:33,640 --> 03:41:39,640
there's a thing in the prairie business called made as instructed. I think it's more important that we

2446
03:41:40,040 --> 03:41:46,200
be the driver behind the study to justify whether training at some point in time will go north or south

2447
03:41:46,200 --> 03:41:52,920
or in my personal opinion. I believe that the most likely place where it makes most senses from OIA to the port

2448
03:41:52,920 --> 03:41:59,080
because I think that as a county where the cruise ship industry is running that we're going to be running a

2449
03:41:59,080 --> 03:42:04,360
lot of people back and forth to that port and that it's very possible that we need to put some

2450
03:42:04,360 --> 03:42:11,400
relief on 528 in the pressure that all those people would do on that. And if they bring cargo, cargo to me is

2451
03:42:11,400 --> 03:42:17,720
success. That's business and that's entrepreneur. That's people driving business and I think that's important.

2452
03:42:17,800 --> 03:42:25,400
So, I'm supportive of this. I'm supportive of it and I'm supportive of the maintenance and the

2453
03:42:28,760 --> 03:42:35,400
the resolution and those things understanding that if we don't issue the bonds or the bonds don't happen,

2454
03:42:35,400 --> 03:42:40,360
then I would want to come back and address all those other issues in the future.

2455
03:42:40,360 --> 03:42:51,800
So that's more. Commissioner Infantini. Mr. Tobin, I don't know who's supposed to answer this.

2456
03:42:51,800 --> 03:43:00,360
I was curious as many speakers had presented a product. The only counties that are being asked to

2457
03:43:01,480 --> 03:43:07,800
use their name to help you get your tax except financing are the counties that have train stops except for

2458
03:43:07,800 --> 03:43:16,520
Revard County. Revard County is that being asked to support 21% of your bond financing request.

2459
03:43:16,520 --> 03:43:22,520
No other county that doesn't have a train stop is being asked. Where are we being asked to do that?

2460
03:43:23,960 --> 03:43:31,000
The five counties that will use private activity bonds and three of the counties do not have

2461
03:43:31,080 --> 03:43:36,280
caps on the amount of bonds that can be issued. So there are two counties Miami,

2462
03:43:36,280 --> 03:43:43,160
date and Revard that are being asked to lift their caps so that we can issue more bonds than the current caps.

2463
03:43:43,160 --> 03:43:49,720
So the station issues is frankly coincidental. It's simply is that there are caps 7.5 million in

2464
03:43:49,720 --> 03:43:56,440
Revard County and we're asking to lift that caps so we can invest more infrastructure in

2465
03:43:56,440 --> 03:44:02,200
Revard County utilizing the private activity bonds. Same thing with Miami, date counties. So there's

2466
03:44:02,200 --> 03:44:09,640
no relationship between stations and the and the PAP vote. It's just a coincidence of which counties have

2467
03:44:09,640 --> 03:44:17,640
caps in their regulations. But we do have a cap and we're not getting a train stop but Indian Revard

2468
03:44:17,640 --> 03:44:25,320
St. Lucy and Martin County are not providing any of the bonds the bond request from at least my understanding.

2469
03:44:25,320 --> 03:44:32,120
Is that incorrect? Is that correct? Is that correct? No, that is correct. We are not. There's

2470
03:44:32,120 --> 03:44:40,440
frankly only a certain amount of bonds that can be issued in the marketplace today and we determine and

2471
03:44:40,440 --> 03:44:48,600
talking with our financial advisors that 1.75 million is, I'm sorry 1.75 billion is the amount that

2472
03:44:49,320 --> 03:44:57,320
the current market will bear and that works with our financing structure and we will not be utilizing

2473
03:44:57,320 --> 03:44:59,880
a PAP financing for.

2474
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:11,360
So you don't need financing for the track in Indian River, Martin and St. Lucy counties, but you do need financing for the track in

2475
03:45:11,360 --> 03:45:14,860
of our county, orange county. I'm sorry. There's something wrong with that answer.

2476
03:45:14,860 --> 03:45:19,860
No, no, let me maybe I think I understand your question. Maybe I can answer it a little bit more.

2477
03:45:19,860 --> 03:45:24,060
It's, it really is quite simple, because you rightly pointed out the magnitude of the investment here in

2478
03:45:24,060 --> 03:45:26,360
Brevard County represent a very significant portion.

2479
03:45:26,360 --> 03:45:30,860
Yeah, 21 percent cost. That's why the ask is here, because that's where the investment is going.

2480
03:45:30,860 --> 03:45:33,860
It's really more than no simple than a more simple than that.

2481
03:45:33,860 --> 03:45:38,860
But Indian River is not being asked to support. There's no investment going into Indian River.

2482
03:45:38,860 --> 03:45:44,860
The investment from the utilization of private activity bonds won't go into those counties.

2483
03:45:44,860 --> 03:45:49,860
The equity investment on the company will go into those particular counties.

2484
03:45:49,860 --> 03:45:51,860
Okay.

2485
03:45:51,860 --> 03:45:54,860
So basically you put the tracks there or whatever.

2486
03:45:54,860 --> 03:45:58,860
That's right. That's right. That's exactly right.

2487
03:45:58,860 --> 03:46:02,860
And again, the reason is because of the magnitude of the investment that is here in Brevard County,

2488
03:46:02,860 --> 03:46:08,860
that the ask for the participation in the total financing of 1.75 billion comes here to Brevard County as well.

2489
03:46:08,860 --> 03:46:12,860
Okay. Thank you. We do have Mr. Anderson's light.

2490
03:46:12,860 --> 03:46:13,860
I'm still going.

2491
03:46:13,860 --> 03:46:14,860
Okay.

2492
03:46:14,860 --> 03:46:24,860
Let me just make a statement that we will be needing to do some type of a break because our, our tape when we do our is running out.

2493
03:46:24,860 --> 03:46:30,860
So I do want to stifle our conversation, but we won't have to be taking a break.

2494
03:46:30,860 --> 03:46:32,860
Okay. Thank you. Commissioner.

2495
03:46:32,860 --> 03:46:44,860
I thought it was curious to note more than half of the speakers that were in support of the train and the resolution did come from South, South Florida.

2496
03:46:44,860 --> 03:46:53,860
Three of the counties that were being going to have train stops as opposed to the people that are opposed to it came from different counties,

2497
03:46:53,860 --> 03:46:58,860
but they came from all of the counties that are not going to be receiving any type of benefit.

2498
03:46:58,860 --> 03:47:06,860
The next thing I wanted to point out is it's not in writing that we would be receiving a train stop. I know it's been pointed out before,

2499
03:47:06,860 --> 03:47:13,860
but if something isn't in writing that you will receive a train stop, it's not likely you're going to receive it.

2500
03:47:13,860 --> 03:47:21,860
Anything that somebody willingly, completely intends to do, they will put it into writing and make a part of the agreement.

2501
03:47:21,860 --> 03:47:34,860
And absent an agreement with Orange County Expressway Authority, taking right now Orange County Expressway Authority has an agreement with all aboard Florida saying that there won't be a train stop in Bernard County.

2502
03:47:34,860 --> 03:47:48,860
If there is, there has to be a, a numeration in a financial manner to compensate Orange County Expressway Authority for all of the funds that they would lose for people that are no longer traveling along the beach line.

2503
03:47:48,860 --> 03:47:50,860
Okay. Is that correct?

2504
03:47:51,860 --> 03:47:58,860
No man, that's not exactly correct. And, and neither was the comments that were made earlier from the assistant attorney from the Amir River County.

2505
03:47:58,860 --> 03:48:04,860
It was either a misinterpretation of the words of the document or for some other ever.

2506
03:48:04,860 --> 03:48:13,860
The document public document, by the way, available, everybody to read, does specifically does not preclude a stop in Brevard County or really anywhere else.

2507
03:48:13,860 --> 03:48:33,860
What it does do is it has conditions that are around protection to the existing bondholders who have provided funding for the roadway, which says that if a station were to be added onto the system anywhere, that an assessment would need to be made with respect to the negative impacts,

2508
03:48:33,860 --> 03:48:43,860
actually to the existing bondholders. And if it was determined that there were negative impacts, the economics of those negative impacts would have to be made up relative to the approval of that station.

2509
03:48:43,860 --> 03:48:53,860
That exact exercise was conducted in the base agreement to put the system that is on the table today onto the, into existence.

2510
03:48:53,860 --> 03:49:03,860
In fact, there is a compensation method from all aboard Florida directly as a part of the lease that makes up the difference that was associated with the stops that are proposed in the first stage.

2511
03:49:03,860 --> 03:49:15,860
That very same process would have to be taken for other stations, including the potential future station here in Brevard, but it is not an impediment to actually having a station take place in Brevard or anywhere else.

2512
03:49:15,860 --> 03:49:24,860
Okay, thank you. And you are corrected. It does say that we can have a station as long as we enumerate them for the financial impact that they lose.

2513
03:49:24,860 --> 03:49:33,860
Right. Well, I think that there would definitely be an impact because when you start taking cars off of the beach line, you are definitely going to impact their pocket.

2514
03:49:33,860 --> 03:49:46,860
That's the document that I wanted to have reversed. That clause reversed out of the agreement with Orange County Orlando Expressway Authority so that they're obviously there's going to be a financial impact.

2515
03:49:46,860 --> 03:49:57,860
And so I'm trying to get that removed so that you can put an agreement with us that you will put in a train stop winning if there are some other things that I wanted to say.

2516
03:49:57,860 --> 03:50:10,860
I don't want us to substitute all aboard Florida for FEC and our lease agreement. A few of the things that I've pulled out and we have a ton of lease agreements. I was looking over on last night there.

2517
03:50:10,860 --> 03:50:26,860
Here's some of them. One of the clauses says in our existing lease agreement that the county shall not take any action to prevent or tend to restrict the operations of trains.

2518
03:50:26,860 --> 03:50:41,860
So as soon as we substitute all aboard Florida for Florida East Coast, then we lose the privilege of doing anything to prevent any type of train activity.

2519
03:50:41,860 --> 03:50:55,860
There's another part that says that the county grants all necessary permits to FEC and so that means automatically whatever permits that would be required by all aboard Florida are automatically going to be permitted by Bernard County.

2520
03:50:55,860 --> 03:51:03,860
So there's a lot of reading wording in the existing agreements to help protect the provide county.

2521
03:51:03,860 --> 03:51:15,860
As soon as you substitute all of those protections are lost and I just I just wanted to point that out. I'm sure not everybody had an opportunity to read these leases and so I didn't read all of them but I read many of them.

2522
03:51:15,860 --> 03:51:19,860
And that concludes some of my points.

2523
03:51:19,860 --> 03:51:21,860
Commissioner Anderson.

2524
03:51:21,860 --> 03:51:31,860
I'll be fairly short. Mr. Fisher. I got call worse names than you and I think I called them a name. I can't remember what it was.

2525
03:51:31,860 --> 03:51:45,860
The only thing I'll say is when I talked to them originally I said hey look we're getting all the burden with none of the benefits and I don't like the idea of taxpayer money is being used and one of my biggest issues is the maintenance issue.

2526
03:51:46,860 --> 03:52:00,860
By I think stocked and winded a fantastic job in the go shading this bond issue. So we at least get a voice and get something at the table and then increase overnight a couple times.

2527
03:52:00,860 --> 03:52:07,860
So that Mr. when you did a fantastic job doing that.

2528
03:52:07,860 --> 03:52:23,860
I'm okay with the agreement as it is because we're getting everything that I had a problem with it. So I would be a liar and it would be very disingenuous of me to say no I don't like it now that you as a fixed maintenance issue and that.

2529
03:52:23,860 --> 03:52:37,860
We also have moved forward to the quiet zones of protect our residents. I do have one issue that has nothing to do with them since we did just select and use state consultant lobbyist.

2530
03:52:37,860 --> 03:52:42,860
Mr. Knox pulled up the expressway authority legislation.

2531
03:52:42,860 --> 03:52:47,860
For me this week I've talked to one senator that would sponsor change.

2532
03:52:48,860 --> 03:52:54,860
They change the name it's the central for the expressway authority and.

2533
03:52:54,860 --> 03:52:59,860
Every county except for let's see orange county, seminal county, late county.

2534
03:52:59,860 --> 03:53:02,860
I see all the county all their chairman's going to point somebody to that board.

2535
03:53:02,860 --> 03:53:11,860
So we already have a senator on one side that said that if we draft something and get it through our council will get a house member will get a place on that board so we can.

2536
03:53:11,860 --> 03:53:20,860
Hand over this issue with this agreement that was on and that's outside of that, but I hope you guys would support that on one of our legislative priorities other than that.

2537
03:53:20,860 --> 03:53:24,860
I'm glad we heard from everybody and.

2538
03:53:24,860 --> 03:53:28,860
Here the other commissioner's having a spoken but we'll see where it goes.

2539
03:53:28,860 --> 03:53:31,860
I do have commissioner Fisher then commissioner now.

2540
03:53:31,860 --> 03:53:38,860
I just want two things to get addressed with the public that just want to make sure it was clear one of the things about the ESI.

2541
03:53:38,860 --> 03:53:40,860
I thought that.

2542
03:53:40,860 --> 03:53:43,860
How we could impact the ESI or not impact the ESI.

2543
03:53:43,860 --> 03:53:48,860
Whatever found out in my research is the ESI doesn't say that they came put a train here.

2544
03:53:48,860 --> 03:53:52,860
With the ESI say that these are the conditions that you can put the train here and so.

2545
03:53:52,860 --> 03:53:59,860
The ESI is going to be more of a document that put restrictions on how this train will operate and run in the safety features and the different things.

2546
03:53:59,860 --> 03:54:02,860
It's not about whether it stops a train or doesn't stop a train.

2547
03:54:02,860 --> 03:54:07,860
I think some people came in impression that if the ESI is not successful that the train won't come.

2548
03:54:07,860 --> 03:54:09,860
That's not the case.

2549
03:54:09,860 --> 03:54:13,860
I think they justified every reason why they can run the train on their tracks.

2550
03:54:13,860 --> 03:54:17,860
It's just a matter of how you address some of the issues that the ESI will bring out.

2551
03:54:17,860 --> 03:54:19,860
The other thing about the.

2552
03:54:19,860 --> 03:54:23,860
Bring in all aboard Florida as part of the agreement.

2553
03:54:23,860 --> 03:54:28,860
I think it's important to bring all aboard Florida part of the agreement because I think I don't want to get an argument.

2554
03:54:28,860 --> 03:54:32,860
Whether it's all aboard Florida rather FEC or others any other.

2555
03:54:32,860 --> 03:54:41,860
The city area they have when it comes to our maintenance who we're going to hold for responsible for maintenance who we're going to hold responsible for some of the quiet zone stuff and some other things.

2556
03:54:41,860 --> 03:54:47,860
So I think that all the players ought to be part of the agreement so that we make sure that we know who's responsible.

2557
03:54:47,860 --> 03:54:52,860
Commissioner Nelson.

2558
03:54:52,860 --> 03:54:59,860
I'm not going to lie to you when this first came to the board and in my last meeting I get to deal with this issue.

2559
03:54:59,860 --> 03:55:02,860
You have to go what were you thinking.

2560
03:55:02,860 --> 03:55:11,860
But yeah, the reality for me is this is that I'm uncomfortable with making a decision that a board is going to have multiple decisions to be made at later dates.

2561
03:55:11,860 --> 03:55:16,860
And first of all, I want to say that the folks from all aboard Florida have been highly professional.

2562
03:55:16,860 --> 03:55:18,860
They have never threatened.

2563
03:55:18,860 --> 03:55:25,860
They have always been in my estimation just top notch and doing what you do.

2564
03:55:25,860 --> 03:55:30,860
So I appreciate that because I really think that this has been a good discussion.

2565
03:55:30,860 --> 03:55:35,860
I am a supporter of multimodal transportation and I do think that trains are in Florida's future.

2566
03:55:35,860 --> 03:55:40,860
And I think that the difficulty will always be how does that look in any community.

2567
03:55:40,860 --> 03:55:45,860
And I've said from the very beginning that safety cost and community impact were important to me.

2568
03:55:45,860 --> 03:55:55,860
Because I think ultimately, if the state of Florida is going to succeed, then we need to have these kinds of opportunities.

2569
03:55:55,860 --> 03:56:00,860
But this was changing as of yesterday afternoon and I'm uncomfortable with that.

2570
03:56:00,860 --> 03:56:06,860
In two weeks they will be electing some new good old boys to replace us.

2571
03:56:06,860 --> 03:56:12,860
If you've never run for office immediately after getting elected you become one of those.

2572
03:56:12,860 --> 03:56:17,860
The point is this that they're going to be making this decisions going forward.

2573
03:56:17,860 --> 03:56:22,860
My preference would be they make those decisions because I think they need to have that input.

2574
03:56:22,860 --> 03:56:24,860
I don't want to burden them with the decision.

2575
03:56:24,860 --> 03:56:27,860
I made which they may have felt differently on.

2576
03:56:27,860 --> 03:56:35,860
While I believe that this is going to go forward in the near future, I would prefer that a new board deal with it.

2577
03:56:35,860 --> 03:56:39,860
I would prefer that some of the issues that are currently on the table.

2578
03:56:39,860 --> 03:56:43,860
They have a chance to be brought up to speed on.

2579
03:56:43,860 --> 03:56:47,860
I'm not really comfortable with it at this point in time.

2580
03:56:47,860 --> 03:56:50,860
Excuse me, please. I like to speak next in line.

2581
03:56:50,860 --> 03:56:53,860
They don't give me lights. I get to jump in when I can.

2582
03:56:53,860 --> 03:56:58,860
First of all, I feel like I have not been negotiating very well because you have not called me names.

2583
03:56:58,860 --> 03:57:05,860
When we did our negotiation, all of the commissioners are hands on with this.

2584
03:57:05,860 --> 03:57:09,860
And I just use different tactic. I just was a bully.

2585
03:57:09,860 --> 03:57:13,860
So you didn't have to beat me up too badly.

2586
03:57:13,860 --> 03:57:19,860
I differ in philosophy with Commissioner Nelson as that.

2587
03:57:19,860 --> 03:57:25,860
We have the experience and knowledge of the eight years sitting here taking hard decisions and moving forward.

2588
03:57:25,860 --> 03:57:28,860
And I support of this.

2589
03:57:28,860 --> 03:57:34,860
I want to make the hard decision now because it is something that's going to be beneficial to our county.

2590
03:57:34,860 --> 03:57:39,860
I firmly believe that this is going to be the future and that we will,

2591
03:57:39,860 --> 03:57:45,860
down the years, be able to get a location in Brevard County.

2592
03:57:45,860 --> 03:57:49,860
And I do not want to do anything to hinder that vision.

2593
03:57:49,860 --> 03:57:54,860
So I am being supportive of this.

2594
03:57:54,860 --> 03:58:00,860
I'm Mr. Nelson, the good thing about the good old boy that they can blame this commission.

2595
03:58:01,860 --> 03:58:03,860
They take the pressure off for them.

2596
03:58:03,860 --> 03:58:05,860
And, you know, we all build with things.

2597
03:58:05,860 --> 03:58:08,860
Other commissioners have done from decision.

2598
03:58:08,860 --> 03:58:11,860
So I want to make a motion that we approve the resolution.

2599
03:58:11,860 --> 03:58:17,860
We approve the FDFC letter agreement at 357, 357, 358,000 waiver fee.

2600
03:58:17,860 --> 03:58:22,860
We approve the maintenance moratorium agreement eight years for both the city and county.

2601
03:58:22,860 --> 03:58:25,860
Plus the $375,000 waiver fee.

2602
03:58:25,860 --> 03:58:31,860
Plus the AAAF contribution of $500,000 towards matching funds.

2603
03:58:31,860 --> 03:58:35,860
For the railroad related improvements initiated by the county.

2604
03:58:35,860 --> 03:58:42,860
I approve the AAAF and FEC crossing agreement attached at the exhibit to this agenda item.

2605
03:58:42,860 --> 03:58:50,860
And also, just make it clear that the public private bonds need to be issued.

2606
03:58:50,860 --> 03:58:58,860
Or these other things will we will come back and negotiate those things.

2607
03:58:58,860 --> 03:59:00,860
Okay, I do have a motion on the table.

2608
03:59:00,860 --> 03:59:02,860
Do I have a second.

2609
03:59:02,860 --> 03:59:04,860
Second by Commissioner Anderson.

2610
03:59:04,860 --> 03:59:06,860
Commissioner and Bettini, your like for discussion.

2611
03:59:06,860 --> 03:59:13,860
Yes, I just wanted to mention I thought I read that the quiet zones were going to be paid for by all aboard Florida.

2612
03:59:13,860 --> 03:59:19,860
But then I read the quiet zones will only be paid by all aboard Florida to the extent that there is federal funding

2613
03:59:19,860 --> 03:59:20,860
available.

2614
03:59:20,860 --> 03:59:27,860
So if somebody could clarify that for me.

2615
03:59:27,860 --> 03:59:34,860
Commissioner, what we have discussed with staff is that half a million is the first half a million.

2616
03:59:34,860 --> 03:59:39,860
That would be contributed towards the quiet zones.

2617
03:59:39,860 --> 03:59:42,860
So we're only going to contribute half a million.

2618
03:59:42,860 --> 03:59:45,860
I don't know how much it's going to cost because we haven't seen any of the gross.

2619
03:59:45,860 --> 03:59:49,860
So we don't know what we're getting into later for maintenance.

2620
03:59:49,860 --> 03:59:53,860
But so you're going to contribute half a million towards quiet zones.

2621
03:59:53,860 --> 03:59:54,860
Correct.

2622
03:59:54,860 --> 03:59:55,860
And no more.

2623
03:59:55,860 --> 03:59:59,860
But it's not contingent on whether federal funds or state funds are available.

2624
04:00:00,000 --> 04:00:06,000
Okay, so just half a million, and then did you decide which locations would get those?

2625
04:00:06,000 --> 04:00:13,000
That is part of the process that would take place with your public works department.

2626
04:00:13,000 --> 04:00:20,000
Okay, I just want to make sure that the sport is aware of that because I know that quiet zones were something that was important to Commissioner Anderson.

2627
04:00:20,000 --> 04:00:24,000
And he seemed to express about the quality of life and that he wanted quiet zones.

2628
04:00:24,000 --> 04:00:30,000
So I just want to make sure you're okay understanding that it's not going to be unlimited that there's not.

2629
04:00:30,000 --> 04:00:31,000
I'm not interested in that.

2630
04:00:31,000 --> 04:00:32,000
Okay.

2631
04:00:32,000 --> 04:00:34,000
Mr. Wooden.

2632
04:00:34,000 --> 04:00:35,000
Mr. Wooden.

2633
04:00:35,000 --> 04:00:46,000
I'm Chair, members of the board. There are two sections in this resolution that talks about quiet zones and still quarters.

2634
04:00:46,000 --> 04:00:55,000
And so if you go to page three of the resolution, you actually have the language with regard.

2635
04:00:55,000 --> 04:01:04,000
It's a number two and number three with regards to the quiet zone issue and the still quarter issue.

2636
04:01:04,000 --> 04:01:15,000
And so the still quarter expenses, the AAF's expense, which as I understand, in some cases, may actually address the quiet zone requirements.

2637
04:01:15,000 --> 04:01:20,000
And so I just want to draw the boards attention to those two sections.

2638
04:01:20,000 --> 04:01:23,000
So does that increase can you tell me what the dollar amount is?

2639
04:01:23,000 --> 04:01:27,000
Because what you just said was completely confusing unless somebody else got it.

2640
04:01:27,000 --> 04:01:29,000
So I was clear on it.

2641
04:01:29,000 --> 04:01:32,000
Okay, so how much money is going to be going and where's the coming from?

2642
04:01:32,000 --> 04:01:34,000
It's just as Mr. Combers said.

2643
04:01:34,000 --> 04:01:42,000
We recall that you passed the resolution that the TPL will go for state funding with regards to the quiet zones.

2644
04:01:42,000 --> 04:01:51,000
And so their contribution towards any cost that we may have, obviously those costs are unknown at this current time.

2645
04:01:51,000 --> 04:01:54,000
On quiet zones, their contribution is 500,000.

2646
04:01:54,000 --> 04:01:58,000
Their costs for the still quarters is 100%.

2647
04:01:58,000 --> 04:02:04,000
And so there may be a differential, a delta between quiet zone requirements and still quarters.

2648
04:02:04,000 --> 04:02:16,000
We don't know that, but they are putting forth a contribution towards that to supplement whatever dollars that may be available from state funds.

2649
04:02:16,000 --> 04:02:17,000
Hopefully that's.

2650
04:02:17,000 --> 04:02:18,000
Thank you.

2651
04:02:18,000 --> 04:02:19,000
That lines up.

2652
04:02:19,000 --> 04:02:20,000
Thank you.

2653
04:02:20,000 --> 04:02:23,000
So in other words, that they're actually given far more than 500,000.

2654
04:02:23,000 --> 04:02:27,000
Because we would have to pursue state funds for the still quarters ourselves.

2655
04:02:27,000 --> 04:02:31,000
If we were in this process today correct, Mr. Daniel?

2656
04:02:32,000 --> 04:02:34,000
I do have a motion on the floor.

2657
04:02:34,000 --> 04:02:35,000
Oh, I'm sorry.

2658
04:02:35,000 --> 04:02:37,000
I don't know not.

2659
04:02:37,000 --> 04:02:38,000
I want it.

2660
04:02:38,000 --> 04:02:40,000
That's a record.

2661
04:02:40,000 --> 04:02:41,000
I want it.

2662
04:02:41,000 --> 04:02:44,000
I've got to bless your heart.

2663
04:02:44,000 --> 04:02:46,000
I have a motion on the floor.

2664
04:02:46,000 --> 04:02:47,000
All in favor.

2665
04:02:47,000 --> 04:02:48,000
Please state.

2666
04:02:48,000 --> 04:02:49,000
I.

2667
04:02:49,000 --> 04:02:51,000
Anyone opposed.

2668
04:02:51,000 --> 04:02:54,000
Passes three, two.

2669
04:02:54,000 --> 04:02:55,000
Commissioner Nelson.

2670
04:02:55,000 --> 04:02:57,000
Commissioner Infantini.

2671
04:02:57,000 --> 04:02:58,000
Mr. Knott.

2672
04:02:58,000 --> 04:02:59,000
Yes, Madam Chair.

2673
04:02:59,000 --> 04:03:01,000
I just want to make sure that I understood that.

2674
04:03:01,000 --> 04:03:02,000
The.

2675
04:03:02,000 --> 04:03:06,000
The approvals that you offer rise with the four that Mr. that commissioner.

2676
04:03:06,000 --> 04:03:08,000
Fisher identified his motion.

2677
04:03:08,000 --> 04:03:11,000
And that all those approvals were conditioned upon.

2678
04:03:11,000 --> 04:03:17,000
The private activity revenue bomb financing that AF is seeking actually being issued and closed.

2679
04:03:17,000 --> 04:03:19,000
Is that correct?

2680
04:03:19,000 --> 04:03:20,000
Yes.

2681
04:03:20,000 --> 04:03:22,000
That is affirmative.

2682
04:03:23,000 --> 04:03:25,000
That concludes that particular item.

2683
04:03:25,000 --> 04:03:27,000
We will be taking a break.

2684
04:03:27,000 --> 04:03:30,000
Do I have a decision how much time it takes to.

2685
04:03:30,000 --> 04:03:32,000
A change the tape.

2686
04:03:32,000 --> 04:03:33,000
Ten minutes.

2687
04:03:33,000 --> 04:03:35,000
So we'll take a 15 minute break.

2688
04:03:35,000 --> 04:03:37,000
Be back at 1.20.

2689
04:15:00,000 --> 04:15:17,000
We're on unfinished business for A.

2690
04:15:30,000 --> 04:15:39,000
Welcome back to Bevard County Board of County Commissioners meeting. Today is October 21, 2014.

2691
04:15:39,000 --> 04:15:45,000
And resuming our agenda. We are on unfinished business, which is for A.

2692
04:15:45,000 --> 04:15:52,000
And we do have a couple cards on this and a presentation if Mr. John Ferrell would like to come forward.

2693
04:15:52,000 --> 04:15:54,000
Or would you like to step it up for us in?

2694
04:15:54,000 --> 04:15:57,000
Yes, please, commissioners. Thank you.

2695
04:15:57,000 --> 04:16:06,000
A little over a year ago, the Board through a resolution created emergency shelter task force to look at certain issues regarding homelessness, so it's in Bevard County.

2696
04:16:06,000 --> 04:16:16,000
That's group that's represented here today and going to be presenting has been working diligently for over a year on the issues and they're coming close to their sunset date.

2697
04:16:16,000 --> 04:16:24,000
And are going to make this presentation to talk about what they've learned, the partnerships that are in place, what's going on and what the vision is for the future.

2698
04:16:24,000 --> 04:16:34,000
Keith Donald, who's the founder and CEO of Steady Town, which provides homeless prevention and re-housing programs for families with children is going to be making the presentation.

2699
04:16:34,000 --> 04:16:37,000
He's also a member of the Provard Homeless Coalition.

2700
04:16:37,000 --> 04:16:39,000
Thanks, sir.

2701
04:16:47,000 --> 04:16:53,000
Madam Chairman, County Board of Commissioners, I come before you today representing our emergency shelter task force to

2702
04:16:53,000 --> 04:16:57,000
present our plans on the issue of homelessness in Bevard County.

2703
04:16:57,000 --> 04:17:08,000
My name is Keith Donald and I serve as your spokesperson today because of my independent work over the last two years on this issue of which I seek solutions, action and leadership.

2704
04:17:08,000 --> 04:17:13,000
Over the next few minutes, I'll take you through the issues as we see them.

2705
04:17:13,000 --> 04:17:20,000
How key community partners are working together to solve them, what are immediate and long-term plans are and how we intend to pay for them.

2706
04:17:20,000 --> 04:17:26,000
I ask for your continued support of our plans and recommendations.

2707
04:17:26,000 --> 04:17:40,000
I would like to acknowledge the diverse set of task force members involved in this effort, along with the participating nonprofit agencies, without them, our coordinated efforts would not be possible.

2708
04:17:40,000 --> 04:17:42,000
First, the issues.

2709
04:17:42,000 --> 04:17:50,000
Generally speaking, those experiencing homelessness fall into one of two groups, chronic or episodic.

2710
04:17:50,000 --> 04:17:54,000
Those that are chronically homeless are effectively disabled.

2711
04:17:54,000 --> 04:17:58,000
Own-going supports are needed to end their homelessness.

2712
04:17:58,000 --> 04:18:09,000
Those that are episodic for the most part, they are working families with some time limited supports and a job they will end their homelessness on their own.

2713
04:18:10,000 --> 04:18:13,000
The key takeaway here is these groups are distinct.

2714
04:18:13,000 --> 04:18:18,000
We have chronic, episodic, disabled, and working family.

2715
04:18:18,000 --> 04:18:26,000
Because they are distinct, they require distinct levels of support to end their homelessness and we cannot treat them the same.

2716
04:18:26,000 --> 04:18:31,000
In Brevard County, both groups are our neighbors and both groups need our help.

2717
04:18:32,000 --> 04:18:41,000
Last year, Brevard Public Schools identified 2,200 and 2 children experiencing homelessness equating to hundreds of episodic families.

2718
04:18:41,000 --> 04:18:52,000
75% of these families are doubled up with their natural supports, but 25% are either trapped in motels or are unsheltered entirely.

2719
04:18:52,000 --> 04:18:59,000
Last year's census identified 262 veterans experiencing homelessness in Brevard County.

2720
04:18:59,000 --> 04:19:09,000
The VA identified 91 unsheltered veterans last month in Titusville at their stand-down, most of them chronically homeless.

2721
04:19:09,000 --> 04:19:17,000
The cross that the daily bread lists the names of 80 chronically homeless individuals that died in Brevard County last year.

2722
04:19:17,000 --> 04:19:28,000
As of today, there is not yet an ongoing, coordinated effort to identify, classify, and prioritize those experiencing homelessness in our community.

2723
04:19:29,000 --> 04:19:32,000
This has the following consequences.

2724
04:19:32,000 --> 04:19:38,000
First, our data on this important public health issue is fragmented across agencies.

2725
04:19:38,000 --> 04:19:41,000
It's incomplete, it is not real time.

2726
04:19:41,000 --> 04:19:49,000
As a result, we don't have a good understanding of where those experiencing homelessness are and which ones need our help the most.

2727
04:19:49,000 --> 04:20:01,000
Second, our agencies help independently on a first come first qualified basis and not necessarily the most vulnerable in our community first.

2728
04:20:01,000 --> 04:20:06,000
The fact remains are most vulnerable faced the most barriers to housing.

2729
04:20:06,000 --> 04:20:17,000
Barriers that include prior evictions, criminal background, mental and physical health, substance use, abuser trauma, risk of harm and income.

2730
04:20:17,000 --> 04:20:20,000
They cannot end their homelessness on their own.

2731
04:20:20,000 --> 04:20:26,000
They do cost our public taxpayers the most money and they need our help first.

2732
04:20:26,000 --> 04:20:28,000
How we help is also important.

2733
04:20:28,000 --> 04:20:36,000
Today, most of our mainstream resources are directed towards treating those experiencing homelessness instead of ending their homelessness.

2734
04:20:36,000 --> 04:20:40,000
The only way to end homelessness is through housing.

2735
04:20:40,000 --> 04:20:45,000
Housing is the best form of harm reduction in its defoundation for stability.

2736
04:20:45,000 --> 04:20:50,000
We, as a community, must direct our limited resources to housing first,

2737
04:20:50,000 --> 04:20:59,000
then to the support that is needed to help our most vulnerable individuals and families keep their housing and move towards greater independence.

2738
04:20:59,000 --> 04:21:04,000
I'd like to explore some partnership opportunities for dealing with some of these issues.

2739
04:21:04,000 --> 04:21:09,000
First, who can help us identify those experiencing homelessness?

2740
04:21:09,000 --> 04:21:12,000
Well, the schools can because they know our families.

2741
04:21:12,000 --> 04:21:16,000
The hospitals can because they know our most vulnerable.

2742
04:21:16,000 --> 04:21:19,000
The police and the sheriff they can help us.

2743
04:21:19,000 --> 04:21:32,000
But first, we must invest in a county-wide team who's so mission is to identify, classify, and prioritize those experiencing homelessness in our community.

2744
04:21:32,000 --> 04:21:44,000
This team will then work with our schools, our hospitals, and our public safety officials to guide those experiencing homelessness to the right level of support needed to end their homelessness.

2745
04:21:44,000 --> 04:21:53,000
Second, who can help us shelter families that are living on the street in a car, on the beach, in the woods, or in a storage unit?

2746
04:21:53,000 --> 04:21:59,000
Recognizing that shelter is not a destination, but the process by which people get housed.

2747
04:22:00,000 --> 04:22:08,000
Today, we are building an emergency shelter network, supported by local business owners and church leaders that care about this community.

2748
04:22:08,000 --> 04:22:14,000
The budget and, in Titusville, the Cocoal Affordable Living Center in Cocoa, the America's Best Value in in Melbourne,

2749
04:22:14,000 --> 04:22:19,000
they're all helping us coordinate shelter for families that have nowhere else to go.

2750
04:22:19,000 --> 04:22:25,000
And our commitment is to welcome home every single one of those families into housing within 30 days.

2751
04:22:25,000 --> 04:22:35,000
Family promise of reward, a growing local nonprofit has cultivated a network of 25 plus member churches that shelter families on a weekly basis.

2752
04:22:35,000 --> 04:22:40,000
We should invest in them as well, let's help them grow to 100 churches.

2753
04:22:40,000 --> 04:22:44,000
Third, to the most important piece, housing.

2754
04:22:44,000 --> 04:22:47,000
How do we house people that have housing barriers?

2755
04:22:47,000 --> 04:22:56,000
The answer is by providing the right level of supports and by building a network of local landlords that see those supports is good business.

2756
04:22:56,000 --> 04:23:05,000
Today, my program, steady family, a rapid rehousing intervention for reward families experiencing homelessness is housing eight families a month.

2757
04:23:05,000 --> 04:23:11,000
And they built a county wide network of over 30 landlords with hundreds of units under management.

2758
04:23:11,000 --> 04:23:21,000
They've been able to do this because 87% of their clients maintain their housing, a success rate landlords find favorable to renting on the open market.

2759
04:23:21,000 --> 04:23:25,000
How much does the average rapid rehousing intervention cost?

2760
04:23:25,000 --> 04:23:30,000
It costs $4,000 per family, including the cost of the case worker.

2761
04:23:30,000 --> 04:23:33,000
$4,000 to break the cycle of homelessness.

2762
04:23:33,000 --> 04:23:38,000
Fourth, how do we ensure an adequate supply of affordable housing units?

2763
04:23:38,000 --> 04:23:47,000
The data shows that the average income of working families experiencing homelessness is around $1,500 a month, or 30% of the area median income.

2764
04:23:47,000 --> 04:23:57,000
The best value rents across our landlord network are $400 a month for a one-bedroom apartment, $5,50 for a two-bedroom, and $700 for a three-bedroom.

2765
04:23:57,000 --> 04:24:02,000
Our families can make that work, but they're not enough of these units.

2766
04:24:02,000 --> 04:24:10,000
It's more common to fund rents as high as $950 for a three-bedroom in Palm Bay, for example, and that rent burden is simply too great.

2767
04:24:10,000 --> 04:24:14,000
Substities that inflate prices are not the answer.

2768
04:24:14,000 --> 04:24:19,000
We need more units with lower-based rents that still produce returns for local investors.

2769
04:24:19,000 --> 04:24:25,000
We need to foster local innovation that drives down both construction and maintenance costs.

2770
04:24:25,000 --> 04:24:35,000
I could go on from ancillary support, such as Priority Access to Workforce Child Care, to eviction prevention and judicial awareness campaigns champion by law enforcement,

2771
04:24:35,000 --> 04:24:40,000
to leveraging the many tech companies here to better capture and process data on this issue.

2772
04:24:40,000 --> 04:24:42,000
There's a lot more we can do.

2773
04:24:42,000 --> 04:24:46,000
But I'd like to talk first about now about implementation.

2774
04:24:46,000 --> 04:24:48,000
So I've talked about it.

2775
04:24:48,000 --> 04:24:57,000
The first thing that we're going to do is put in place a coordinated system to address homelessness in Brevard County and invest in a team to run it.

2776
04:24:57,000 --> 04:25:07,000
A team of data heads and skilled assessors, and this team will bring the many agencies together and fall under the scope of the Brevard homeless coalition,

2777
04:25:07,000 --> 04:25:11,000
which will become the lead agency for the county on this issue.

2778
04:25:11,000 --> 04:25:14,000
We're going to put the system in place now and get to work.

2779
04:25:15,000 --> 04:25:17,000
How will the system work?

2780
04:25:17,000 --> 04:25:20,000
The system is based around the only solution to housing.

2781
04:25:20,000 --> 04:25:27,000
It's only solution to ending homelessness that is housing, but not housing only housing first.

2782
04:25:27,000 --> 04:25:36,000
This solution is in contrast to traditional approaches where we treat a homeless person until we think they are ready for housing,

2783
04:25:36,000 --> 04:25:39,000
which the evidence shows does not work.

2784
04:25:39,000 --> 04:25:48,000
Housing first puts the focus on housing as the foundation and ongoing flexible supports as the means of achieving greater independence.

2785
04:25:48,000 --> 04:25:53,000
Support such as medical, financial, social, transportation, education and work.

2786
04:25:53,000 --> 04:26:01,000
All the things that we've talked about through partnership opportunities that enable individuals and families to keep their housing.

2787
04:26:02,000 --> 04:26:06,000
Housing first is proven to end chronic homelessness.

2788
04:26:06,000 --> 04:26:11,000
They've done it in Phoenix. They've done it in Salt Lake City. They've done it in rural Michigan.

2789
04:26:11,000 --> 04:26:14,000
It can end episodic homelessness as well.

2790
04:26:14,000 --> 04:26:19,000
It's proven to save money and it's proven to generate returns for local economies.

2791
04:26:19,000 --> 04:26:23,000
Effective high fidelity housing first is data driven.

2792
04:26:23,000 --> 04:26:30,000
It's evidence based. It helps those with the greatest need first and it facilitates client choice and greater independence.

2793
04:26:30,000 --> 04:26:34,000
It does not help all the participants the same way.

2794
04:26:34,000 --> 04:26:37,000
Nor does it help those that can help themselves.

2795
04:26:37,000 --> 04:26:44,000
Success in this system is measured by taking the number of those in our community that are experiencing homelessness down to zero.

2796
04:26:44,000 --> 04:26:47,000
That's our monthly take down target.

2797
04:26:47,000 --> 04:26:54,000
And success is validated by the ability of the individuals and families receiving help to keep themselves housed.

2798
04:26:54,000 --> 04:26:57,000
That's our housing stability success rate.

2799
04:26:58,000 --> 04:27:02,000
Longer term. Let's put the focus on new workforce housing projects.

2800
04:27:02,000 --> 04:27:15,000
New builds and rehabs. Let's set the goal for 100,000 locally built locally owned units that deliver permanent affordable destinations for working individuals and families experiencing homelessness.

2801
04:27:15,000 --> 04:27:19,000
Today we already have in this county.

2802
04:27:19,000 --> 04:27:25,000
The resources needed to in veteran homelessness by 2016. I'm very excited about that.

2803
04:27:26,000 --> 04:27:33,000
By 2020, if we work smart, we will be able to say that homelessness as an issue in Brevard County or as a condition.

2804
04:27:33,000 --> 04:27:36,000
It is rare and of short duration.

2805
04:27:36,000 --> 04:27:41,000
To make this happen, funding will be needed from federal, state and local levels.

2806
04:27:41,000 --> 04:27:44,000
We should establish two funding streams.

2807
04:27:44,000 --> 04:27:48,000
One for chronically homeless individuals and one for families.

2808
04:27:48,000 --> 04:27:51,000
We should create a unified.

2809
04:30:00,000 --> 04:30:13,000
Funding conduit through the Brevard Homeless Coalition. And today we've already secured $3.5 million for ending veterans homelessness and $600,000 for families.

2810
04:30:13,000 --> 04:30:28,000
In summary, our recommendation to you is to sunset the emergency shelter task force and to put full authority on this issue with the Brevard Homeless Coalition. The coalition will then put in place a coordinated housing first system.

2811
04:30:28,000 --> 04:30:41,000
This year, we're going to house 40 chronically homeless veterans and 250 veterans of moderate need, 10 chronically homeless individuals and 150 episodic families.

2812
04:30:41,000 --> 04:30:54,000
We're going to expand our data collection and outreach efforts and next year you'll see what kind of impact and what kind of progress we've made on this issue as a unified team focused on it. Thank you.

2813
04:30:54,000 --> 04:30:56,000
Good.

2814
04:31:02,000 --> 04:31:07,000
I do have Mr. John Ferrell who would like to add anything to this.

2815
04:31:07,000 --> 04:31:11,000
And Dr. Sally Shine.

2816
04:31:13,000 --> 04:31:19,000
Actually, I decided I'd try to speak if there was something else to speak about, we didn't have the time.

2817
04:31:19,000 --> 04:31:22,000
But I thank you all for your graciousness.

2818
04:31:23,000 --> 04:31:24,000
Thank you, John.

2819
04:31:30,000 --> 04:31:32,000
I'd like to stay chair.

2820
04:31:32,000 --> 04:31:33,000
Name and address.

2821
04:31:33,000 --> 04:31:38,000
I am Sally Shine and I'm at 1347 Rockledge Drive in Rockledge, Florida.

2822
04:31:38,000 --> 04:31:50,000
I'm the homeless liaison for Brevard Public Schools and I stand before you today to commend the Brevard County Commission for the employees and the managers of Brevard County Department of Parks and Rec.

2823
04:31:50,000 --> 04:31:58,000
The motto, a sense of their motto, a sense of community, achievement, respect for nature and good health have all been demonstrated repeatedly to our children.

2824
04:31:58,000 --> 04:32:07,000
Many of them, some of our most vulnerable in our county, our students were coded as homeless and Brevard Public Schools for the 2013-2014 school year.

2825
04:32:07,000 --> 04:32:12,000
And they attended summer camp this summer for Brevard Parks and Rec.

2826
04:32:13,000 --> 04:32:19,000
The leadership shown by Jack Massen and others such as Hector Lopez and the Central Terry Lane, Karshonda Wright and the North Greg Miner.

2827
04:32:19,000 --> 04:32:23,000
Rebecca Hernandez, Brenda Matthew, Shanturner, Annie Deming.

2828
04:32:23,000 --> 04:32:26,000
Larry, would you, would you?

2829
04:32:26,000 --> 04:32:28,000
Larry W. Okay.

2830
04:32:28,000 --> 04:32:35,000
County Bat, Fred Pop, Jeff Davis, Ficky Bennett, Resolving, Wonderful Outcomes for Children.

2831
04:32:35,000 --> 04:32:38,000
Your employees welcome these students and advocated for their needs.

2832
04:32:38,000 --> 04:32:43,000
Your accountant, Michelle Sommers, kept detailed records and assisted us in measureably.

2833
04:32:43,000 --> 04:32:46,000
Homelessness in our county cannot be stereotyped.

2834
04:32:46,000 --> 04:32:53,000
For example, this support helped a homeless mother and son living in a shelter to continue attending college classes, knowing her son was safe and cared for.

2835
04:32:53,000 --> 04:33:00,000
An eight year boy identified as gifted in our district was alone when his home burned down, which resulted in a jail sentence for his father.

2836
04:33:00,000 --> 04:33:05,000
When next with his mother, he experienced a day in the fleece station when his mother was arrested for theft,

2837
04:33:05,000 --> 04:33:10,000
and he had nowhere to go because his father had been re-arrested for another unspeakable offense.

2838
04:33:10,000 --> 04:33:15,000
His child was frozen in fear and trauma and taken in by a friend of the grandmother who was out of state.

2839
04:33:15,000 --> 04:33:17,000
All this in five weeks.

2840
04:33:17,000 --> 04:33:23,000
His child experienced consistency, kindness, new adventures, outdoor fun, wonderful field trips, two males a day,

2841
04:33:23,000 --> 04:33:28,000
and healthy support of adults who are consistent, patient, caring, intolerant, the result.

2842
04:33:28,000 --> 04:33:31,000
He has now an unstable home with his grandmother and doing well in school.

2843
04:33:31,000 --> 04:33:37,000
He's on his way to healing from this trauma, and he's reaching his full potential as a student in a future stakeholder of this county.

2844
04:33:37,000 --> 04:33:44,000
For more than 18 years, we've heard parks and rec have ensured that hungry children receive food consistently this year in 12 locations.

2845
04:33:44,000 --> 04:33:51,000
This has been a serious responsibility for summer needs of hungry children working together, the staff enabled homeless children to attend camp at a reduced rate,

2846
04:33:51,000 --> 04:33:56,000
which enabled families of 70 children to stay employed, earning their way out of homelessness,

2847
04:33:56,000 --> 04:34:01,000
knowing their children were not only safe, but experiencing the most exciting summer other life.

2848
04:34:01,000 --> 04:34:03,000
We'll quick with that.

2849
04:34:03,000 --> 04:34:06,000
We had 70 children, 51 of them are no longer homeless.

2850
04:34:06,000 --> 04:34:09,000
51 of them are now in homes.

2851
04:34:09,000 --> 04:34:13,000
And a lot of it has to do with the work that this group has done as well.

2852
04:34:13,000 --> 04:34:16,000
But your barred parks and rec have been absolutely wonderful.

2853
04:34:16,000 --> 04:34:17,000
And I just want to thank you.

2854
04:34:17,000 --> 04:34:18,000
Thank you.

2855
04:34:18,000 --> 04:34:27,000
Do we have action?

2856
04:34:27,000 --> 04:34:28,000
Yes, commissioners.

2857
04:34:28,000 --> 04:34:33,000
The action that we're requesting for this group is to accept the goals and allow for the group sunset per

2858
04:34:33,000 --> 04:34:34,000
resolution.

2859
04:34:34,000 --> 04:34:39,000
I have a motion by Commissioner Fisher, second by Commissioner Anderson, all in favor.

2860
04:34:39,000 --> 04:34:40,000
Please state aye.

2861
04:34:40,000 --> 04:34:42,000
Anyone opposed?

2862
04:34:42,000 --> 04:34:44,000
Pass us five sooner.

2863
04:34:44,000 --> 04:34:45,000
Thank you for your work.

2864
04:34:45,000 --> 04:34:46,000
Thank you very much.

2865
04:34:46,000 --> 04:34:47,000
Excellent.

2866
04:34:47,000 --> 04:34:49,000
Excellent.

2867
04:34:49,000 --> 04:34:52,000
Commissioner, I'm going to be moving an item up on the agenda.

2868
04:34:52,000 --> 04:35:01,000
I'm going to go to new business item number A3, which is concerning citizens in the barred county.

2869
04:35:01,000 --> 04:35:11,000
And they sat through all of the railroads, so they deserve to be moved up for one moment here.

2870
04:35:11,000 --> 04:35:14,000
Thank you, John, for coming up.

2871
04:35:14,000 --> 04:35:15,000
Thank you so much.

2872
04:35:17,000 --> 04:35:27,000
Commissioner, this particular one does have a history here, which Mr.

2873
04:35:27,000 --> 04:35:30,000
Jenninghof can elaborate on.

2874
04:35:30,000 --> 04:35:36,000
And it's in my district and I've been working on this probably for the eight years that I've been around here.

2875
04:35:36,000 --> 04:35:39,000
This is one of my legacy things.

2876
04:35:39,000 --> 04:35:42,000
It's important to me.

2877
04:35:43,000 --> 04:35:56,000
Okay, Commissioner, this item is associated with the pioneered causeway, which the extension, the realignment extension has been completed now for several years.

2878
04:35:56,000 --> 04:36:09,000
But as a part of that process, we were committed with the FEC to a to the construction of an overpass over the railroad, which would actually eliminate one of our

2879
04:36:10,000 --> 04:36:14,000
great crossings with the railroad.

2880
04:36:14,000 --> 04:36:24,000
As a part of that, the state provided the funding that was in excess of $26 million to go towards that, so that no local funds would be required.

2881
04:36:24,000 --> 04:36:35,000
And we have since that time been working towards completing the design and all the permitting requirements associated with that project.

2882
04:36:35,000 --> 04:36:42,000
As such, we have identified right-of-way needs that are associated with the construction activities.

2883
04:36:42,000 --> 04:36:48,000
The completed project will not require a permanent right-of-way acquisition.

2884
04:36:48,000 --> 04:36:56,000
However, the process of construction will require temporary acquisition of property rights.

2885
04:36:57,000 --> 04:37:06,000
There are two parcels that are associated with that privately owned parcels that are associated with that one is the Holy Trinity Episcopal Academy.

2886
04:37:06,000 --> 04:37:11,000
Site and the other is owned by Bill Page.

2887
04:37:11,000 --> 04:37:21,000
The cost associated with acquiring temporary rights was extremely high.

2888
04:37:21,000 --> 04:37:32,000
And if we were to go that route, we would wind up with an effect the completed project and no property associated with that acquisition.

2889
04:37:32,000 --> 04:37:37,000
Keep in mind, of course, that it was being funded by the state, however, that still taxpayer money.

2890
04:37:37,000 --> 04:37:55,000
And so the concept became one of the possibility of, instead of acquiring a portion of the property rights regarding the page parcel that we consider acquiring all of it.

2891
04:37:55,000 --> 04:38:03,000
I've had multiple conversations with Mr. Page over the years and recently is last week regarding this matter.

2892
04:38:03,000 --> 04:38:19,000
And so the idea essentially was, we had another public use for the property that we would go ahead and acquire the entire thing at a marginal increase in cost as compared to what we would have gotten for just temporary rights.

2893
04:38:20,000 --> 04:38:48,000
And the property, as you can see in the agenda item and agenda report, the property would be suitable to be able to relocate the sign and signal shop from the Marad Island cone well next to the run bridge shop on cone road and and is effectively relocate that critical operation to an area that doesn't.

2894
04:38:48,000 --> 04:39:09,000
It isn't subject to evacuation from due to hurricanes or flooding from storm surge purposes and and effectively would be able to more quickly and efficiently begin the recovery process after any series event such as a hurricane.

2895
04:39:09,000 --> 04:39:30,000
I think I've briefed the commission previously that after hurricanes Jane and Francis in 2004 we were delayed by a couple of days in the process of trying to get our own shop back under under operation so that we could then begin the process of restoring traffic signals all over the county.

2896
04:39:30,000 --> 04:39:34,000
And then we would be able to avoid that at this location.

2897
04:39:35,000 --> 04:39:52,000
The it is centrally located it would be obviously on the tiny to cause way which is a short distance to US one tropical trail A 1 A 95, Wickham Road and so we would have access to all of those.

2898
04:39:52,000 --> 04:40:06,000
We also would have the ability on the property to construct and intelligent transportation system traffic management center on the vacant portion of his property that is there.

2899
04:40:06,000 --> 04:40:09,000
And so that becomes an option for us to do that.

2900
04:40:09,000 --> 04:40:21,000
Our objective here would be after consultation with DOT to utilize up to $3.1 million from the DOT's source of revenue

2901
04:40:21,000 --> 04:40:35,000
to pay the cost or the initial cost or the portion of the cost to complete those transactions both with the electricity and with the Mr. Page.

2902
04:40:35,000 --> 04:40:47,000
The county would be responsible to pay the difference of whatever exceeded 3.1 in that process.

2903
04:40:47,000 --> 04:41:02,000
The reason DOT would not pay for all of it is because it would clearly not be necessary to pay for all of it for the purposes of the overpass and so it would be outside of their scope.

2904
04:41:02,000 --> 04:41:12,000
It's felt that this would be an efficient way to make the most of the taxpayers money without an acquire permanent property rights rather than temporary property rights.

2905
04:41:12,000 --> 04:41:29,000
It would also require an approval of the joint project agreement with DOT which would modify the agreement to allow for that $3.1 million allocation or designation for the purposes of the right away.

2906
04:41:29,000 --> 04:41:35,000
And I believe that covers most of the topic if you have any questions that we have to answer.

2907
04:41:35,000 --> 04:41:40,000
Commissioner, I do have two cards on that and we will come back to the board for questions.

2908
04:41:40,000 --> 04:42:07,000
Commissioners, one item, one of the things that would occur as a result of this is that we would be able to relocate the entrance for the Holy Trinity campus to a location rather than up high on the overpass which is where it would be located if we don't do this to a location that's down nearly at the existing grade.

2909
04:42:07,000 --> 04:42:11,000
That would be a safety enhancement that we think would be important.

2910
04:42:11,000 --> 04:42:20,000
And so we would still have a driveway for the page property but it would be a far less costly one.

2911
04:42:20,000 --> 04:42:25,000
And so we would say quite a bit of money not just on the right away but also on construction.

2912
04:42:25,000 --> 04:42:27,000
Thank you.

2913
04:42:27,000 --> 04:42:32,000
Susan Smith, followed by Christopher Hayes, if you come forward.

2914
04:42:38,000 --> 04:42:41,000
Thank you for letting us speak here today commissioners.

2915
04:42:41,000 --> 04:42:47,000
I will say if I had known it was all about Florida or all the board day, I might have chosen a different meeting but.

2916
04:42:47,000 --> 04:42:52,000
I'm happy to be here and I'm going to let Christopher Hayes do most of the speaking.

2917
04:42:52,000 --> 04:42:58,000
I did want to say on behalf of the Holy Trinity both as their attorney and also as a Holy Trinity parent.

2918
04:42:58,000 --> 04:43:08,000
We are very supportive of this provision that's being put forward here and it really is a safety concern for us because we have.

2919
04:43:08,000 --> 04:43:10,000
We have big plans at the school.

2920
04:43:10,000 --> 04:43:15,000
We are moving the lower campus to the upper campus for those of you who don't know that.

2921
04:43:15,000 --> 04:43:18,000
So we're basically doubling the size of the campus.

2922
04:43:18,000 --> 04:43:26,000
And so there's a lot of transition going on and it's very important that we know where our entrance is going to be so that we can start planning for that.

2923
04:43:26,000 --> 04:43:32,000
Because our lease at the lower school was up and so we have to go forward with our planning of where we're going to have our entrance.

2924
04:43:32,000 --> 04:43:36,000
And so this timing of this is very, very important to us to keep this moving forward.

2925
04:43:36,000 --> 04:43:40,000
I'm sure you all know Kathy Ford was the former headmaster.

2926
04:43:40,000 --> 04:43:48,000
Well, I'd like to introduce you to Christopher Hayes and I'll let him tell you more about the exact concerns that we have as far as the safety issue.

2927
04:43:48,000 --> 04:43:49,000
Thank you.

2928
04:43:49,000 --> 04:43:50,000
Thank you Susan.

2929
04:43:50,000 --> 04:43:51,000
Thank you.

2930
04:43:51,000 --> 04:43:52,000
Thank you.

2931
04:43:52,000 --> 04:43:53,000
Thank you.

2932
04:43:53,000 --> 04:43:54,000
Thank you.

2933
04:43:54,000 --> 04:43:56,000
Thank you.

2934
04:43:56,000 --> 04:43:58,000
Christopher Hayes for 60 Oriole Lane in the Atlantic.

2935
04:43:58,000 --> 04:44:01,000
I'm thrilled to be here and I'm happy to.

2936
04:44:01,000 --> 04:44:03,000
Which maybe excitedly odd given this morning's tenure.

2937
04:44:03,000 --> 04:44:08,000
I'm grateful for your time and attention to our children and to their safety.

2938
04:44:08,000 --> 04:44:15,000
And I think it's wonderful when the best interests of the county and of the school aligns so neatly.

2939
04:44:15,000 --> 04:44:21,000
in favor of moving the Holy Trinity Episcopal Academies up for school main entrance,

2940
04:44:21,000 --> 04:44:28,120
signalized on Paineeta westward about 100 yards. I see this not as desirable, but as

2941
04:44:28,120 --> 04:44:35,800
necessary for safety reasons for our children. Our current main entrance serves 550 students each

2942
04:44:35,800 --> 04:44:43,800
day and is at grade. As a result of the pending move of our lower school to the Paineeta campus,

2943
04:44:43,800 --> 04:44:51,880
we will soon be serving 1000 students each day. The proposed elevation of the Paineeta to create

2944
04:44:51,880 --> 04:44:59,160
a railway overpass would leave our current main entrance about 10 feet in the air. The resulting ramp

2945
04:44:59,160 --> 04:45:01,240
would be significant.

2946
04:45:00,000 --> 04:45:15,000
Secondly, increase the risk, particularly to young drivers. Therefore, I am requesting that you continue to put the interest of our children and their futures first by moving the signalized entrance west. Thank you.

2947
04:45:15,000 --> 04:45:16,000
Thank you.

2948
04:45:16,000 --> 04:45:24,000
It is to the board. I see no light, but I do see the eyes of John Denningoff. Yes, sir.

2949
04:45:24,000 --> 04:45:42,000
I'd like to point out that if the options that are spelled out in there, option 1A and B are selected by the board, we would be proceeding with negotiations for the acquisition, which would then come back to the board for approval.

2950
04:45:42,000 --> 04:45:52,000
If those negotiations fail, then we would be coming back to the board with a resolution necessity or request for approval of the resolution necessity for combination purposes.

2951
04:45:52,000 --> 04:46:01,000
So, regardless of what happens at this point, if it's approved, we will be coming back to the board.

2952
04:46:01,000 --> 04:46:03,000
I make a motion for approval.

2953
04:46:03,000 --> 04:46:07,000
I have a motion by Commissioner Infantini for approval. Do I have a second?

2954
04:46:07,000 --> 04:46:08,000
Second.

2955
04:46:08,000 --> 04:46:11,000
I'm assuming the motion is for 1A and B.

2956
04:46:11,000 --> 04:46:19,000
This would commissioner Infantini for option A, 1A and B. Commissioner Anderson's second.

2957
04:46:19,000 --> 04:46:21,000
All in favor, please state I.

2958
04:46:21,000 --> 04:46:32,000
Anyone opposes passes 50 to Rific. Thank you very much.

2959
04:46:32,000 --> 04:46:34,000
Yes, I was just going to.

2960
04:46:34,000 --> 04:46:37,000
We do have a second request here.

2961
04:46:37,000 --> 04:46:42,000
So we're going to do five F1 also at the same time.

2962
04:46:42,000 --> 04:46:44,000
Excuse me.

2963
04:46:44,000 --> 04:46:46,000
Excuse me. Mr. Witten?

2964
04:46:46,000 --> 04:46:50,000
I was just going to give you that item.

2965
04:46:50,000 --> 04:46:53,000
Please come forward.

2966
04:46:53,000 --> 04:46:54,000
Thank you so much.

2967
04:46:54,000 --> 04:46:56,000
I have a motion.

2968
04:46:56,000 --> 04:46:58,000
Second.

2969
04:46:58,000 --> 04:47:00,000
You're good.

2970
04:47:00,000 --> 04:47:03,000
All in favor, please state I.

2971
04:47:03,000 --> 04:47:05,000
Anyone opposed.

2972
04:47:05,000 --> 04:47:07,000
Congratulations.

2973
04:47:07,000 --> 04:47:19,000
Okay, we are now at 5A1.

2974
04:47:19,000 --> 04:47:32,000
Do you want a summary or an introduction or if not?

2975
04:47:32,000 --> 04:47:34,000
Well, thank you all.

2976
04:47:34,000 --> 04:47:42,000
I have a motion by commissioner Fisher.

2977
04:47:42,000 --> 04:47:44,000
Second by commissioner Anderson.

2978
04:47:44,000 --> 04:47:47,000
I have a light for Mr. Nelson.

2979
04:47:47,000 --> 04:47:49,000
You have parts.

2980
04:47:49,000 --> 04:48:00,000
5A1, 5A5A5A12 cart.

2981
04:48:00,000 --> 04:48:02,000
That's Scott Morgan.

2982
04:48:02,000 --> 04:48:04,000
Is he still here?

2983
04:48:04,000 --> 04:48:05,000
Yes.

2984
04:48:05,000 --> 04:48:08,000
And Bill Merrick.

2985
04:48:08,000 --> 04:48:10,000
Okay.

2986
04:48:16,000 --> 04:48:18,000
Melburn, we support the resolution.

2987
04:48:18,000 --> 04:48:19,000
Thank you.

2988
04:48:19,000 --> 04:48:21,000
One thing.

2989
04:48:21,000 --> 04:48:23,000
Scott.

2990
04:48:23,000 --> 04:48:25,000
Why he's here?

2991
04:48:25,000 --> 04:48:31,000
I want to give a valuable way to Scott Morgan and Mayor Rose.

2992
04:48:31,000 --> 04:48:35,000
They've been working with us on the field of dream project and the partnership.

2993
04:48:35,000 --> 04:48:37,000
And they have been absolutely wonderful.

2994
04:48:37,000 --> 04:48:42,000
And I appreciate everything you've done to help move that project forward.

2995
04:48:42,000 --> 04:48:45,000
Just while we're here, we're going to have a groundbreaking November 11.

2996
04:48:45,000 --> 04:48:46,000
On that.

2997
04:48:46,000 --> 04:48:48,000
So thank you, Mr. Morgan.

2998
04:48:48,000 --> 04:48:49,000
I want the public to know.

2999
04:48:49,000 --> 04:48:50,000
You said you were smart.

3000
04:48:50,000 --> 04:48:51,000
You're mayoring your council.

3001
04:48:51,000 --> 04:48:53,000
Been great.

3002
04:48:53,000 --> 04:48:54,000
Okay.

3003
04:48:54,000 --> 04:48:57,000
Even though that wasn't necessarily a guy this way.

3004
04:48:57,000 --> 04:48:58,000
Bill.

3005
04:48:58,000 --> 04:48:59,000
Did you want to speak?

3006
04:48:59,000 --> 04:49:00,000
Okay.

3007
04:49:00,000 --> 04:49:03,000
We're coming back to the board then.

3008
04:49:03,000 --> 04:49:04,000
Commissioner Nelson.

3009
04:49:04,000 --> 04:49:06,000
Followed by commissioner Fisher.

3010
04:49:06,000 --> 04:49:08,000
Well, I can understand why Andy likes it.

3011
04:49:08,000 --> 04:49:09,000
Robert.

3012
04:49:09,000 --> 04:49:13,000
I'm like, I think he's right in front of the field of the dream.

3013
04:49:13,000 --> 04:49:15,000
But you know.

3014
04:49:16,000 --> 04:49:17,000
Okay.

3015
04:49:17,000 --> 04:49:19,000
I was going to give you the fairness speech.

3016
04:49:19,000 --> 04:49:20,000
But I'm tired.

3017
04:49:20,000 --> 04:49:23,000
But you know.

3018
04:49:23,000 --> 04:49:29,000
My concern is that we just, we approved over two and a half million dollars in South County

3019
04:49:29,000 --> 04:49:32,000
this last 60 days.

3020
04:49:32,000 --> 04:49:34,000
What I would ask is that.

3021
04:49:34,000 --> 04:49:36,000
You know, we've dealt with some emergencies.

3022
04:49:36,000 --> 04:49:40,000
And since his list came up, there was an issue that occurred on North

3023
04:49:40,000 --> 04:49:41,000
Maryland.

3024
04:49:41,000 --> 04:49:45,000
West specifically rode when under again during this last rainstorm.

3025
04:49:45,000 --> 04:49:47,000
And we can't keep it out of the water.

3026
04:49:47,000 --> 04:49:52,000
And it's right on the verge of flooding homes on a routine basis.

3027
04:49:52,000 --> 04:49:56,000
So, rather than fight with you guys over this, what I would ask is that.

3028
04:49:56,000 --> 04:50:02,000
Could we ask the Mr. Denninghof to look within all of our transportation funds to see if we can

3029
04:50:02,000 --> 04:50:08,000
come up with an additional $500,000 to deal with that flooding issue on North

3030
04:50:08,000 --> 04:50:09,000
Maryland.

3031
04:50:09,000 --> 04:50:18,000
And come back to the board at our meeting in November 6th.

3032
04:50:18,000 --> 04:50:20,000
How about this?

3033
04:50:20,000 --> 04:50:22,000
Commissioner Fisher.

3034
04:50:22,000 --> 04:50:27,000
I'll give up 200,000 and you give up 200 and Mary, you give up 100.

3035
04:50:27,000 --> 04:50:29,000
I don't know the estimate.

3036
04:50:29,000 --> 04:50:30,000
Yes, you then.

3037
04:50:30,000 --> 04:50:32,000
I have a minute and a minute and a minute and a minute and a minute and a minute.

3038
04:50:32,000 --> 04:50:33,000
I brought it up.

3039
04:50:33,000 --> 04:50:34,000
It's every time it rains.

3040
04:50:34,000 --> 04:50:35,000
It collapses.

3041
04:50:35,000 --> 04:50:36,000
It's a monster.

3042
04:50:36,000 --> 04:50:37,000
It's a monster.

3043
04:50:37,000 --> 04:50:38,000
If we wait another range.

3044
04:50:38,000 --> 04:50:39,000
Just describe that road.

3045
04:50:39,000 --> 04:50:40,000
But.

3046
04:50:40,000 --> 04:50:41,000
But.

3047
04:50:41,000 --> 04:50:42,000
But.

3048
04:50:42,000 --> 04:50:43,000
But.

3049
04:50:43,000 --> 04:50:44,000
But this is the private and top.

3050
04:50:44,000 --> 04:50:47,000
One of the top three busiest roads in all of the North County.

3051
04:50:47,000 --> 04:50:48,000
Good morning.

3052
04:50:48,000 --> 04:50:49,000
And when it rains.

3053
04:50:49,000 --> 04:50:52,000
I can drive down and watch the gold pot holes appear in front of my car.

3054
04:50:52,000 --> 04:50:55,000
And what my concern is, it's not about the aesthetics on this one.

3055
04:50:55,000 --> 04:50:56,000
Like it was.

3056
04:50:56,000 --> 04:50:59,000
It's just I know it's going to cost so much more.

3057
04:50:59,000 --> 04:51:01,000
Calvary chapel sits there with a lot of craft.

3058
04:51:01,000 --> 04:51:04,000
You might just want to give us a situation where we're being twice as much

3059
04:51:05,000 --> 04:51:06,000
as much as we can.

3060
04:51:06,000 --> 04:51:07,000
We'll get for us tomorrow.

3061
04:51:07,000 --> 04:51:10,000
We've got for some more dollars coming up right.

3062
04:51:10,000 --> 04:51:11,000
Yeah.

3063
04:51:11,000 --> 04:51:12,000
Let's go.

3064
04:51:12,000 --> 04:51:13,000
Bring that.

3065
04:51:13,000 --> 04:51:14,000
Can you bring that back on the 6th?

3066
04:51:14,000 --> 04:51:16,000
I can have something on the 6th.

3067
04:51:16,000 --> 04:51:17,000
I don't know where.

3068
04:51:17,000 --> 04:51:20,000
I'll get 500 but I know.

3069
04:51:20,000 --> 04:51:22,000
I thought you had help.

3070
04:51:22,000 --> 04:51:23,000
I can help you.

3071
04:51:23,000 --> 04:51:24,000
No.

3072
04:51:24,000 --> 04:51:26,160
Everyone remembers that this is the eight point two million that I saved in this

3073
04:51:26,160 --> 04:51:32,640
in District 4. And so when you're giving me back 100, you're too generous there. Yeah,

3074
04:51:32,640 --> 04:51:38,240
that's nice to try here. I'm trying to work it out with you guys. Yeah, you're welcome.

3075
04:51:38,240 --> 04:51:45,200
Yes, we're going to then take, we have not voted yet, but am I hearing that we're going to,

3076
04:51:45,200 --> 04:51:51,040
we have a motion of second on it for those allocations. For those allocations,

3077
04:51:51,040 --> 04:51:57,120
then I'm hearing that you want to, I think that's just for you already. So, okay.

3078
04:51:57,120 --> 04:52:05,040
Okay, I have a motion in a second. All in favor, please state I. Anyone opposed? Pass us

3079
04:52:05,040 --> 04:52:13,600
5-0. You're welcome. That's probably the one that the next board will be discussing very

3080
04:52:13,600 --> 04:52:23,840
intimately. And sure, whoever wins all that is for you. 5-8-2. Same John's Heritage Parkway.

3081
04:52:25,200 --> 04:52:32,480
Missioners, this item is a resolution necessity for the acquisition right away north of

3082
04:52:32,480 --> 04:52:41,120
US192 up to and approaching the future interchange for the Parkway at I-95.

3083
04:52:42,240 --> 04:52:52,480
These parcels have been, we have negotiated in the past with these property owners and we have concluded

3084
04:52:52,480 --> 04:52:59,520
that we do not believe that we can reach a negotiated settlement. And so we come to the board at this point

3085
04:52:59,520 --> 04:53:08,240
for requesting a approval of resolution and necessity so that we can more efficiently pursue

3086
04:53:08,240 --> 04:53:15,120
the ultimate acquisition of the properties. Can I share Anderson your light? Just they,

3087
04:53:16,080 --> 04:53:21,680
I've met with a couple of these property owners in the past to just like I've told everybody on this

3088
04:53:21,680 --> 04:53:27,200
project that owns property. I, you know, we're not going to bring something back to this board asking

3089
04:53:27,200 --> 04:53:33,440
for the purchase property of the appraisal value. And I think a couple of these instances,

3090
04:53:33,440 --> 04:53:38,000
that's what they had expected. And they want to even get a majority vote because I want to vote

3091
04:53:38,000 --> 04:53:43,840
to acquire property of both appraisal value for this project. So if we just need to go through this system.

3092
04:53:49,840 --> 04:53:53,760
Is that a motion? I have a motion. I have a motion by Commissioner Anderson,

3093
04:53:53,760 --> 04:53:59,840
do I have a second? Second by Commissioner Nelson, all in favor, please state aye. Anyone opposed?

3094
04:53:59,840 --> 04:54:04,400
Passes 5-0. The next item will be number four.

3095
04:54:12,160 --> 04:54:20,000
Commissioner, this is an item to acquire easement rights for the, for the construction of stormwater

3096
04:54:20,000 --> 04:54:24,560
improvements associated with the upper O'Galley project, which provides flood relief for the

3097
04:54:24,560 --> 04:54:31,920
lampwider area. And it represents actually the final area that we need to acquire property for that

3098
04:54:31,920 --> 04:54:39,360
particular project. The property owner has, if you'll note, they're under the fiscal impact. There is none.

3099
04:54:39,360 --> 04:54:44,320
The property owner has agreed to donate the property for the purposes. It's like a state stated.

3100
04:54:44,560 --> 04:54:50,400
I have a motion by Commissioner Anderson, second by Commissioner Nelson, all in favor, please state aye.

3101
04:54:50,400 --> 04:54:57,040
Aye. Anyone opposed? Passes 5-0. Number five.

3102
04:54:58,880 --> 04:55:05,200
Okay, item five, a five, commissioners is acquisition of a parcel of land on the west side of Northman

3103
04:55:05,200 --> 04:55:12,960
River Drive on Merit Island for purposes. The immediate purposes are for construction of improvements

3104
04:55:12,960 --> 04:55:23,440
for the sanitary sewer system for our water resources department or other uses for the property

3105
04:55:23,440 --> 04:55:28,480
as well. I have a motion by Commissioner Fisher, second by Commissioner Nelson, all in favor, please state

3106
04:55:28,480 --> 04:55:51,200
aye. Aye. Anyone opposed? Okay. I do have cards on five B one. If you would like to give us an

3107
04:55:51,200 --> 04:56:03,040
opposite of this? We have some photos, space goes government TV, will please bring those up, please?

3108
04:56:04,880 --> 04:56:12,160
Commissioner's the increased and fast enormous growth of ecotours in Brevard County because of our

3109
04:56:12,160 --> 04:56:19,200
natural beauties in this county has created so much somewhat of a control problem and one of our

3110
04:56:19,200 --> 04:56:27,840
particular parks. What staff is proposing is that the board consider a permit process for

3111
04:56:27,840 --> 04:56:37,920
kayaks can use stand-up petal wards. This process I provided you a copy of our agenda item

3112
04:56:38,720 --> 04:56:46,320
and a copy of our proposed agreement. We need to make sure that we have equal access, continue to

3113
04:56:46,320 --> 04:56:52,480
access by the resident and visitor and also the commercial interests that are involved in ecotours.

3114
04:56:53,120 --> 04:57:00,000
And with that, I have some pictures. I can show you at a later time after our speakers. What we're seeing them now, sir?

3115
04:57:07,120 --> 04:57:10,880
I can Mr. Mason. Jack, can you see them?

3116
04:57:10,880 --> 04:57:21,840
Yes. What is this up? First of all, this is the aerial Manatee Co. Park in North

3117
04:57:21,840 --> 04:57:30,960
Marred Island. Before I go any further, one of our issues is that the code 78107 requires that a

3118
04:57:30,960 --> 04:57:37,360
commercial permit is issued for commercial activity in any county park system or park.

3119
04:57:37,360 --> 04:57:47,360
And prior to any commercial activity taking place within the county park system, a permit has to be

3120
04:57:47,360 --> 04:57:52,800
issued with the following requirements I, in this case, the insurance and the various business tax

3121
04:57:52,800 --> 04:57:57,520
receipts and such as that. And that's any type of commercial activity within the park.

3122
04:57:57,520 --> 04:58:10,640
So, if we can revert back to the pictures, please. These pictures were taken in fact last

3123
04:58:10,640 --> 04:58:20,400
Monday yesterday, in fact. We do have commercial activity going on at Manatee Co. Park. Next picture, please.

3124
04:58:20,560 --> 04:58:27,760
Parking is the biggest problem we have at this, actually it's about less than a half acre of

3125
04:58:27,760 --> 04:58:35,360
this parking area, 26 parking spots. And if you can see, sometimes we have two tour buss. This is

3126
04:58:35,360 --> 04:58:42,160
it come out of the, actually the port through the cruise lines. And it's very, very difficult for the

3127
04:58:42,160 --> 04:58:48,960
resident who wishes to go to Manatee Co. in this case to find a parking spot. Next slide, please.

3128
04:58:49,920 --> 04:58:59,920
You can see there are two commercial three commercial vehicles with trailers and the buss. Next slide, please.

3129
04:59:02,480 --> 04:59:12,080
This is Manatee Co. This is 15 kayaks, which our proposal allows this, but at any time there may be

3130
04:59:12,080 --> 04:59:18,480
three and sometimes four commercial operations at the same time. So, you can imagine the same

3131
04:59:18,480 --> 04:59:28,880
picture with 50 to 60 kayaks in it. In the last slide, please. This is after the demonstration on shore

3132
04:59:28,880 --> 04:59:36,800
by the operator and this is them leaving out of the cove to view their observation of wildlife. Thank you.

3133
04:59:37,680 --> 04:59:45,040
Commissioner, that's all I have in this right. Thank you. We will now go to the public speaking cards,

3134
04:59:45,040 --> 04:59:53,440
John Schreppson, Shempton, followed by Pam Jones, Barbara Schrepp.

3135
05:00:00,000 --> 05:00:13,520
Good afternoon. I'm John Shanson. I live at 71.05, Brian Robb, Drive, North Merid Island. And I am on the

3136
05:00:13,520 --> 05:00:19,000
homeowner's association. I am a past president of the homeowner's association. I'm North Merid Island.

3137
05:00:19,000 --> 05:00:24,400
I'm presently a district representative. I'm also the representative for the parks and

3138
05:00:24,400 --> 05:00:32,400
recreation areas on North Merid Island for our homeowner's association. So I feel the

3139
05:00:32,400 --> 05:00:38,400
questions and I feel the complaints from the members of our community that may or may not

3140
05:00:38,400 --> 05:00:44,400
have a problem with the park. Very few of them do I get the compliments, but I do get

3141
05:00:44,400 --> 05:00:52,400
the problems. I am a volunteer for parks and recreation as well. To save the county money,

3142
05:00:53,400 --> 05:01:02,400
I open up Pine Island Conservation Area at 630 every morning. And I close it every night by opening and

3143
05:01:02,400 --> 05:01:10,400
closing locking the gate so that there is no damage done to the conservation area because there are a lot of people with

3144
05:01:10,400 --> 05:01:18,400
more horsepower than brain power that like to spend donuts in that conservation area. It also of course has

3145
05:01:18,560 --> 05:01:27,400
a much recreation including kayaking and others and very often in the morning. I am greeted by people

3146
05:01:27,400 --> 05:01:33,400
waiting at the gate so they can put their kayaking canoe in the water at Pine Island Conservation Area. These are not

3147
05:01:33,400 --> 05:01:41,400
commercial people doing this. These are recreational folks are our few fishing guides that go in and out there, but

3148
05:01:41,400 --> 05:01:44,160
but generally it's a general population.

3149
05:01:44,160 --> 05:01:48,160
However, I ride my bike through the park system

3150
05:01:48,160 --> 05:01:50,280
on North Merit Island.

3151
05:01:50,280 --> 05:01:52,640
I leave my house, go down tropical trail,

3152
05:01:52,640 --> 05:01:54,440
hit Manatee Cove, hit Mitchell,

3153
05:01:54,440 --> 05:01:59,640
and I hit the pioneer trail in King's Park

3154
05:01:59,640 --> 05:02:02,240
on my way back from the house.

3155
05:02:02,240 --> 05:02:08,080
And I can tell you that Manatee Cove is a disaster

3156
05:02:08,080 --> 05:02:10,480
on some days.

3157
05:02:10,480 --> 05:02:16,160
I am all for the recreation areas that we have.

3158
05:02:16,160 --> 05:02:19,240
But there has to be some kind of reasoning.

3159
05:02:19,240 --> 05:02:20,640
You saw the pictures of Monday,

3160
05:02:20,640 --> 05:02:24,880
well, there's some more pictures of Monday.

3161
05:02:24,880 --> 05:02:30,520
That's kind of a normal day with the commercial ventures in there.

3162
05:02:30,520 --> 05:02:33,960
I have seen it where you can't even turn your car around,

3163
05:02:33,960 --> 05:02:37,160
you have to back out to get out of that parking area

3164
05:02:37,160 --> 05:02:40,280
because of the buses and the operators,

3165
05:02:40,280 --> 05:02:43,360
outfitters that are in there.

3166
05:02:43,360 --> 05:02:46,840
There has to be some kind of control on Monday

3167
05:02:46,840 --> 05:02:49,280
when I was there.

3168
05:02:49,280 --> 05:02:56,240
Just one operator from the cruise line had 28 kayaks in the water.

3169
05:02:56,240 --> 05:02:59,120
And then there was another outfitter with only four kayaks

3170
05:02:59,120 --> 05:03:00,080
in the water.

3171
05:03:00,080 --> 05:03:02,520
And a couple of citizens, people were fishing

3172
05:03:02,520 --> 05:03:04,880
another kayaks and stuff that were coming in

3173
05:03:04,880 --> 05:03:08,600
and going out of there, as they could, as a matter of fact,

3174
05:03:08,600 --> 05:03:12,240
one young lady that was fishing told me that it was quite a traffic jam

3175
05:03:12,240 --> 05:03:14,280
out there on the river.

3176
05:03:14,280 --> 05:03:18,880
Because of the outfit of that head, those cruise passengers in there.

3177
05:03:18,880 --> 05:03:23,320
Each you remember now, each of those 28 kayaks,

3178
05:03:23,320 --> 05:03:29,320
most of them, 90% of them, had two passengers per kayak.

3179
05:03:29,320 --> 05:03:32,120
And the people were in there.

3180
05:03:32,120 --> 05:03:36,000
They piled up to the manatee area,

3181
05:03:36,000 --> 05:03:40,160
and then they actually sitting or scratching the manatee's backs.

3182
05:03:40,160 --> 05:03:46,760
And I have seen it at times after the outfitters pull their kayaks

3183
05:03:46,760 --> 05:03:47,800
out of the water.

3184
05:03:47,800 --> 05:03:51,360
Some of the citizens that had previously been on their tours,

3185
05:03:51,360 --> 05:03:57,160
swim out into the cove and swim amongst the manatees,

3186
05:03:57,160 --> 05:04:03,960
which is not in my estimation, acceptable way of handling it.

3187
05:04:03,960 --> 05:04:07,200
But I am not against them eating in there.

3188
05:04:07,200 --> 05:04:10,280
I just think there needs to be some reasonable list.

3189
05:04:10,280 --> 05:04:14,280
And I think a permitting process will give that reasonable list

3190
05:04:14,280 --> 05:04:17,120
because if they don't conform to the rules,

3191
05:04:17,120 --> 05:04:19,560
then they lose a permit.

3192
05:04:19,560 --> 05:04:22,840
And as a matter of fact, somebody, I'm not going to say

3193
05:04:22,840 --> 05:04:27,120
that the outfitters did it, because I don't know who did it.

3194
05:04:27,120 --> 05:04:33,000
But somebody has pulled off six of the two by 10 boards

3195
05:04:33,000 --> 05:04:37,360
that make up the fence that give access and limit vehicles

3196
05:04:37,360 --> 05:04:40,960
from backing down into the area of launch

3197
05:04:40,960 --> 05:04:44,480
and pulled those boards off and if disappeared.

3198
05:04:44,480 --> 05:04:47,120
Thank you.

3199
05:04:47,120 --> 05:04:48,120
Pam Jones.

3200
05:04:53,120 --> 05:04:54,640
Pam Jones.

3201
05:04:54,640 --> 05:04:57,640
I'm with a fun day tours.

3202
05:04:57,640 --> 05:05:05,080
We are a soft adventure and nature tour operator with eco tours.

3203
05:05:05,080 --> 05:05:07,400
We are all for sustainability.

3204
05:05:07,400 --> 05:05:09,040
We're a leader in it.

3205
05:05:09,040 --> 05:05:15,040
We definitely care for animals, water, and land.

3206
05:05:15,040 --> 05:05:18,960
I saw that the pictures on their,

3207
05:05:18,960 --> 05:05:21,560
their did seem to be parking available.

3208
05:05:21,560 --> 05:05:24,800
It didn't seem completely full.

3209
05:05:24,800 --> 05:05:26,560
There's just a lot of questions.

3210
05:05:26,560 --> 05:05:31,200
And this impacts us as a small company tremendously.

3211
05:05:31,200 --> 05:05:34,120
We don't know how it's going to be manned, where the money is going to.

3212
05:05:34,120 --> 05:05:35,960
Is that going to take care of the areas?

3213
05:05:35,960 --> 05:05:39,400
And maybe make some more parking for it.

3214
05:05:39,400 --> 05:05:43,800
You know, with the cruise lines, this can impact the businesses there.

3215
05:05:43,800 --> 05:05:47,800
So we just are opposed to the permits.

3216
05:05:47,800 --> 05:05:51,080
Not meaning that we don't want to see things

3217
05:05:51,080 --> 05:05:56,240
that will be a little bit more protected, especially for residents and whatnot.

3218
05:05:56,240 --> 05:06:03,760
But we don't even know in terms of how much they're looking to put on our business either.

3219
05:06:03,760 --> 05:06:10,200
So there's just a lot of questions about it that we would love to.

3220
05:06:10,200 --> 05:06:16,400
I mean, how is it going to be manned in terms of, you know, finding who's doing what and what not.

3221
05:06:16,400 --> 05:06:22,800
So let me just see.

3222
05:06:22,800 --> 05:06:28,640
And just so you know, we definitely do not let any of our guests ever touch the amenities that's

3223
05:06:28,640 --> 05:06:29,640
against the loss.

3224
05:06:29,640 --> 05:06:39,280
So that's definitely not something that we are for or ever go for.

3225
05:06:39,280 --> 05:06:40,280
And I think that's it.

3226
05:06:40,280 --> 05:06:43,960
And I do have a couple of lights for you on this just talk to me and then Commissioner

3227
05:06:43,960 --> 05:06:44,960
and Petini.

3228
05:06:45,360 --> 05:06:51,640
Commissioner, I think Jack or the net of should actually go back and we're

3229
05:06:51,640 --> 05:06:57,120
for gosh of the overview because the actual rules and regulations and the pricing structure

3230
05:06:57,120 --> 05:06:59,280
is actually in the agenda report.

3231
05:06:59,280 --> 05:07:07,840
And so it's the permit is in regards to a number of days and eliminating the commercial

3232
05:07:07,840 --> 05:07:13,640
activity to those days, but I think for the general public that's listening at home

3233
05:07:13,640 --> 05:07:20,680
that we need to to set up exactly what the proposal is before you as a matter of policy.

3234
05:07:20,680 --> 05:07:29,960
Commissioner, I'd like to start off just by giving you again the general overview and

3235
05:07:29,960 --> 05:07:34,880
the intent of this is to provide access, not only for the citizens, but for the vendors as

3236
05:07:34,880 --> 05:07:35,880
well.

3237
05:07:35,880 --> 05:07:41,000
We definitely support ecotourism, but at the same time we want to make sure we protect access

3238
05:07:41,000 --> 05:07:44,920
for the citizens and not love that manatee cove to death.

3239
05:07:44,920 --> 05:07:50,440
You know it's just so popular now that when you have three or four vendors in there, 50 or 60

3240
05:07:50,440 --> 05:07:54,280
kayaks, it's just taken over the park.

3241
05:07:54,280 --> 05:07:56,920
So we're trying to protect our park as well.

3242
05:07:56,920 --> 05:08:03,360
One of the other reasons is really a business issue as well.

3243
05:08:03,360 --> 05:08:08,320
We have people operating a business out of a county park so there needs to be some control

3244
05:08:08,320 --> 05:08:09,320
out of that.

3245
05:08:09,320 --> 05:08:16,360
Look at Kelly Park, we have a vendor who's under contract and who gives funds back to us,

3246
05:08:16,360 --> 05:08:19,720
and that does help maintain the park.

3247
05:08:19,720 --> 05:08:26,040
So in this case what we propose doing, it's similar to Coco Beach, they have a permit process.

3248
05:08:26,040 --> 05:08:31,720
It's a tiered process and it ranges depending between $5,000 and $2,000 and it has to do with

3249
05:08:31,720 --> 05:08:38,080
stand-up paddle board kayaks and what we're proposing is to limit access by vendors and

3250
05:08:38,080 --> 05:08:45,720
tour operators to Monday through Friday leaving weekends and holidays for the citizens.

3251
05:08:45,720 --> 05:08:48,800
And what we propose doing is a lottery system.

3252
05:08:48,800 --> 05:08:55,640
So there's really about four vendors primarily that will compete for these spots and I'll let

3253
05:08:55,640 --> 05:08:59,160
Jack go into detail about how the pricing structure will occur.

3254
05:08:59,160 --> 05:09:06,080
But I want to emphasize that we have 30 other parks, Kelly Park and many other parks where

3255
05:09:06,080 --> 05:09:09,480
your tours can run out of unrestricted seven days a week.

3256
05:09:09,480 --> 05:09:15,600
The only place where you're limiting is Manatee Cove and Pine Island once it's open.

3257
05:09:15,600 --> 05:09:19,400
Every other park can operate seven days a week by the tour operators.

3258
05:09:19,400 --> 05:09:23,040
If I just wanted to make sure that I set that up and everyone was clear on that.

3259
05:09:23,040 --> 05:09:25,880
Jack, do you want to go over the pricing?

3260
05:09:25,880 --> 05:09:30,440
Yes, ma'am, basically we're looking at a two-fold permit process.

3261
05:09:30,440 --> 05:09:37,360
One is a general permit that offers approximately 19 parks within throughout the county that would

3262
05:09:37,360 --> 05:09:43,560
be available seven days a week for $500.

3263
05:09:43,560 --> 05:09:52,000
That allows two tours a day, a limit of 15 watercraft or craft that includes the guide boats.

3264
05:09:52,000 --> 05:09:58,360
As Vanessa mentioned, in addition, we have the two restricted sites, which is on top of

3265
05:09:58,360 --> 05:09:59,800
the general permit.

3266
05:09:59,800 --> 05:10:07,080
Those are Manatee Cove and the soon to be open, Pine Island Conservation Area, two very, very

3267
05:10:07,080 --> 05:10:12,680
hotspots for observation as this group knows.

3268
05:10:12,680 --> 05:10:18,560
Those two sites will be done to ensure fairness through a lottery system.

3269
05:10:18,560 --> 05:10:26,280
We will have two water resistance, one for Manatee Cove and one for Pine Island.

3270
05:10:26,280 --> 05:10:37,000
Those two sites will only be open during the week and with the exception of six national holidays.

3271
05:10:37,000 --> 05:10:47,480
Those are the water resistance will be done per day per award and it's a thousand dollars per

3272
05:10:47,480 --> 05:10:53,400
that given day of the week for obviously 52 weeks of the year.

3273
05:10:53,400 --> 05:10:58,480
There will be the opportunity for more than one day that was one of the big concerns, depending

3274
05:10:58,480 --> 05:11:04,840
on the amount of vendors, there may be an opportunity for multi-day awardness on that.

3275
05:11:04,840 --> 05:11:10,040
But it's just that day you're awarding it, you can't do it fire because we wind up booking

3276
05:11:10,040 --> 05:11:14,600
things in advance where it's.

3277
05:11:14,600 --> 05:11:24,840
Okay, the lottery system gives you the opportunity through the lottery system to be awarded

3278
05:11:24,840 --> 05:11:30,960
that particular day of the week or multi-day depending on the amount of vendors.

3279
05:11:30,960 --> 05:11:38,680
It's not a seven day or it's a five-day operation, but if there are three vendors interested

3280
05:11:38,680 --> 05:11:45,640
in Manatee Cove, I would assume that each of the vendors, I would guarantee that each of the

3281
05:11:45,640 --> 05:11:51,560
vendors would get at least one of the three days or one of the five days with the opportunity

3282
05:11:51,560 --> 05:11:56,200
of getting a multi-day through the lottery process.

3283
05:11:56,200 --> 05:11:57,200
Okay.

3284
05:11:57,200 --> 05:12:03,120
Commissioner, have you have questions for this lady?

3285
05:12:03,120 --> 05:12:09,880
No, I don't, but I have, I don't, you're welcome to standards set.

3286
05:12:09,880 --> 05:12:14,840
This seems to violate the business model and I don't know what your business model is for

3287
05:12:14,840 --> 05:12:20,880
how you set up and how you make money, but at the same time, I don't see how we can suddenly,

3288
05:12:20,880 --> 05:12:25,800
and I know we can because we're government, but I don't see how we can suddenly go implement

3289
05:12:25,800 --> 05:12:33,120
a $500 or a $1,000 permit to struggling businesses, we're trying to promote ecotourism,

3290
05:12:33,120 --> 05:12:38,400
and so this is, as soon as we start trying to say we're going to promote something, and we're

3291
05:12:38,400 --> 05:12:44,440
handing out incentives and tax abatements, and we say, except for you, I want $500

3292
05:12:44,440 --> 05:12:45,440
from you.

3293
05:12:45,440 --> 05:12:50,440
So you can go in Monday through Friday for get about weekends, because those are for the, it

3294
05:12:50,440 --> 05:12:51,440
just seems wrong.

3295
05:12:51,440 --> 05:12:57,560
I mean, I can go on, I had a whole page of notes here, but is there, is there really

3296
05:12:57,560 --> 05:13:03,920
support for this up here that I, I, I spoke with Jack, I emailed him, and I asked him for a list

3297
05:13:03,920 --> 05:13:09,080
of all the complaints, because I know I haven't received any, but you know, the Marad Island

3298
05:13:09,080 --> 05:13:16,160
people are probably going to call Chuck or Commissioner Nelson, that I asked Jack, and he said,

3299
05:13:16,160 --> 05:13:21,560
you'd only received two complaints, one was verbal, one was written, and so I, I don't

3300
05:13:21,560 --> 05:13:26,000
really think we need to make a new rule, a new ordinance for just two complaints, perhaps we

3301
05:13:26,000 --> 05:13:31,280
should wait, we should monitor the situation, and can you tell me how many other counties have

3302
05:13:31,280 --> 05:13:33,520
policies like this?

3303
05:13:33,520 --> 05:13:40,760
I, I understand Coco Beach does, Commissioner Allow me to correct one statement, I did not say we've

3304
05:13:40,760 --> 05:13:47,760
only received two complaints, I've received two complaints from John Chances and Darling

3305
05:13:47,760 --> 05:13:55,920
Hunt, my staff has also received complaints, I did say that email, so there have been a number

3306
05:13:55,920 --> 05:14:04,560
of complaints, another issue, commercial activity in a park is nothing new, we do have commercial

3307
05:14:04,560 --> 05:14:11,200
activity throughout a park system primarily through concession operations, hot dog operations

3308
05:14:11,200 --> 05:14:19,520
in a various beach parks, runaway country as a commercial operation, so in our intent, it's

3309
05:14:19,520 --> 05:14:25,560
not to put anybody out of business, and it's not a revenue source force, the intent of this

3310
05:14:25,560 --> 05:14:31,040
is to control the activity, so it's a fair and equitable access to the waterway.

3311
05:14:31,040 --> 05:14:37,560
Okay, excuse me, let me correct you, your email says Commissioner, staff has received verbal

3312
05:14:37,560 --> 05:14:45,720
complaints from John Chances and Darling and Jerry Hunt, it didn't say you've received

3313
05:14:45,720 --> 05:14:50,600
and staff has received other complaints, specifically it says, because I know oftentimes

3314
05:14:50,600 --> 05:14:55,000
people want to make sure I've had a briefing and I've asked all the proper questions before

3315
05:14:55,000 --> 05:14:59,480
I render a position, and so I tried to do that, three complaints.

3316
05:15:00,000 --> 05:15:29,000
That's all we have on the books. It's three complaints and we want to make an ordinance. I'm just trying to discourage this board for making a new ordinance in Marad Island. And like you pointed out, there's a lot of other parks that people can go to. This is probably geographically the most logical park for you to go to for your business. That's probably why she put her business where she did so that she could use that park. Now, if it turns out later on that you're taking up all the parking spaces, we'll start watching.

3317
05:15:29,000 --> 05:15:39,000
That's not my great to watch that, but can we just give her a notice and say, hey, watch out about the parking, there's an issue. And let's see what we can do to cooperate with it before we make a new ordinance.

3318
05:15:39,000 --> 05:15:44,000
Okay, excuse me, I do have if you'd like to take a seat.

3319
05:15:44,000 --> 05:15:52,000
I have commissioner Nelson's by commissioner Anderson.

3320
05:15:52,000 --> 05:16:03,000
And then we'll come back to you. First of all, commercial activities prohibited. So the ordinance actually says, you can't do what you're doing already. And so what we're saying is, unless you have a permit, then we will allow it.

3321
05:16:03,000 --> 05:16:13,000
But there's another view of this as well is that, you know, I haven't come out of parks myself. You know, one of the things that you try to do is to manage the, you know, the resource.

3322
05:16:13,000 --> 05:16:24,000
And I think first and foremost, our responsibility of a board is to our citizens who purchase the property, who pay for its development and who want to be able to use it.

3323
05:16:24,000 --> 05:16:31,000
First, I think that that's our first calling. She's not listening, so it doesn't matter.

3324
05:16:31,000 --> 05:16:34,000
We were debating about the number of complaints.

3325
05:16:34,000 --> 05:16:41,000
Okay, and we have received complaints, but what I was saying was that our job as a commission is to manage the resource.

3326
05:16:41,000 --> 05:16:50,000
This property was purchased by Beach and Riverfront, which was a referendum. It was developed by the Merit Island referendum, which is, I'm paying for it.

3327
05:16:50,000 --> 05:16:58,000
Your business is not a rock, but I'm paying for it for the, for the development and those who live up there.

3328
05:16:58,000 --> 05:17:04,000
Well, you're still not paying for it. But, but only Merit Islanders are paying for the development of that park.

3329
05:17:04,000 --> 05:17:14,000
And to say that businesses have a higher level of priority than we do, I just think is not really fair to those who have developed it.

3330
05:17:14,000 --> 05:17:21,000
I was kidding with my staff. I said, you know, I want to list of the kinds of businesses I can run, because pretty soon I'm going to be unemployed.

3331
05:17:21,000 --> 05:17:30,000
And what I wanted to do is to run a park and ride out of Kelly West and what I'll do is I'll collect money and take them out there and run that business.

3332
05:17:30,000 --> 05:17:35,000
We need a partner. I'm going to say, and when I'm not doing that, I'm drilling for oil.

3333
05:17:35,000 --> 05:17:49,000
But, you know, the reality is this is that we have to manage these parts. I mean we've had food wagons pull up and compete against soccer moms and little league moms trying to sell hot dogs.

3334
05:17:49,000 --> 05:17:56,000
So you can't do that because they are trying to raise money for things like their insurance and uniforms and those kinds of things.

3335
05:17:56,000 --> 05:18:09,000
So it's not unusual to have some controls over it. I think we have to look out for our citizens first. Those who are paying for it first and we are saying that we're willing to share that.

3336
05:18:09,000 --> 05:18:15,000
But we've got to do it in a way that doesn't over run and push out the people who are actually should be first in line.

3337
05:18:15,000 --> 05:18:25,000
So I think it comes down to can we find something in the way of reasonable and I see Alex over there. It doesn't impact the fishing guides.

3338
05:18:25,000 --> 05:18:37,000
You guys have never been a problem and we're not looking to even deal with that issue. This is a relatively new activity where we have full buses pulling up with 30 to 60 folks on it.

3339
05:18:37,000 --> 05:18:45,000
They're learning how to operate their kayaks in the parking lot where there are now 30 kayaks. It does have an impact.

3340
05:18:45,000 --> 05:18:55,000
So I think we're trying to come up and struggling with the way of managing so you can be successful but also the folks who live there and have every right to use it aren't pushed out.

3341
05:18:55,000 --> 05:19:03,000
So I think the discussion should be not should we be doing this. How are we going to do it and how can it be fair to both.

3342
05:19:03,000 --> 05:19:08,000
Yeah, I do have Commissioner Anderson then with Mr. Whitten.

3343
05:19:08,000 --> 05:19:14,000
Mike, going back five, six years since like 20 years now.

3344
05:19:14,000 --> 05:19:31,000
If you remember, I had a lot of concerns about how we utilize different properties that were acquired through either eels or the B.S. and I had a whole community of people come out here that are nature lovers

3345
05:19:31,000 --> 05:19:41,000
and beat me up about the head and shoulder verbally that if I just hang in there with them we'll make sure access is there and it's all about egoturism.

3346
05:19:41,000 --> 05:19:47,000
It's the new thing that we're trying to get into to alleviate some of our economic woes.

3347
05:19:47,000 --> 05:20:01,000
Now, I feel like we're kind of going back where I understand the problem and I see it and my only thing is certainly don't want to dampen the success of the egoturism industry has.

3348
05:20:01,000 --> 05:20:07,000
It's just, you know, one of those situations where these locations are highly desirable.

3349
05:20:07,000 --> 05:20:15,000
And people from out town want to see them, but I just don't want to give them a slippery slope thing because I could take you on the Christians and leaving right now and show you four.

3350
05:20:15,000 --> 05:20:23,000
Guys that are outfitters for red fish to take your boat out there, are they next to our list when they start using up both slips.

3351
05:20:23,000 --> 05:20:27,000
No, they've never been a problem but it could be. You never know.

3352
05:20:27,000 --> 05:20:33,000
These are oyster programs going to take off so well already told me it's going to be loaded with snuck and red.

3353
05:20:33,000 --> 05:20:39,000
Well, but I don't know, I'm just not comfortable yet. Mr. Whit.

3354
05:20:39,000 --> 05:20:47,000
Yeah, commissioners and I don't want to get in the way of your policy discussion, but just to clarify the communication between Commissioner and Fintini and Mr. Madison.

3355
05:20:47,000 --> 05:20:59,000
You know, we would never bring you an issue where you only had two complaints and so you know, just read it just so we're clear the general public is clear on the magnitude of the issue.

3356
05:20:59,000 --> 05:21:09,000
Commissioner staff has received verbal complaints from John and I won't say your last name because I'll butcher it, but John Darling and Jerry.

3357
05:21:09,000 --> 05:21:19,000
Mr. John has informed me he has additionally received complaints from members of the North Marital and the Home Owners Association.

3358
05:21:19,000 --> 05:21:27,000
In addition, staff has observed the parking problems specifically with large buses as well as vendor vehicles with trailers.

3359
05:21:27,000 --> 05:21:39,000
The volume of kayaks lined up along the shore line for tools have been informed the District 2 Commission Office has also received calls from concerned residents.

3360
05:21:39,000 --> 05:21:51,000
One gentleman has made a number of calls to the Central Area Parks Operations Office expressing his concerns and so it's much bigger than a one or two complaint issue and I just wanted to clarify that.

3361
05:21:51,000 --> 05:21:57,000
Again, we wouldn't bring you a policy matters where we only have a small number of complaints.

3362
05:21:57,000 --> 05:22:09,000
Commissioners, I do have cards on this. I'm apologize for those who have speaking cards here. We just kind of get off on it and which is couldn't stop the commissioners here.

3363
05:22:10,000 --> 05:22:13,000
Barbara, would you like to count the use?

3364
05:22:13,000 --> 05:22:20,000
Okay, Andrew Nixon. Would you like to come forward followed by Captain Alex?

3365
05:22:20,000 --> 05:22:23,000
Field Galaway? William?

3366
05:22:23,000 --> 05:22:24,000
Well.

3367
05:22:24,000 --> 05:22:25,000
Thank you.

3368
05:22:25,000 --> 05:22:27,000
And Arlene Hunt.

3369
05:22:27,000 --> 05:22:29,000
Yes sir.

3370
05:22:29,000 --> 05:22:34,000
Good afternoon commissioners. My name is Andrew Nixon. I'm from Viral Beach, Florida.

3371
05:22:34,000 --> 05:22:45,000
I represent the fortified guides association, which is an organization whose directives are to ensure the highest quality experience of our customers and the operators who provide those services.

3372
05:22:45,000 --> 05:22:58,000
I'm here to represent our business partners in the area who operate in Provard County with some brief opinions along with some questions concerning the proposal of the usage permits for the guys and tours.

3373
05:22:58,000 --> 05:23:06,000
Understanding and I think is yours as well. It's fuel greatly by parking complaints by the local residents.

3374
05:23:06,000 --> 05:23:16,000
While access to the Thai launch locations is of concern to the local residents, we want to ensure and promote equal and open access to all citizens,

3375
05:23:16,000 --> 05:23:22,000
whether they're local residents, part-time residents or are beloved visitors from out of town.

3376
05:23:22,000 --> 05:23:26,000
I would like to also let you know that I've spoken in detail with Mr. Mason.

3377
05:23:26,000 --> 05:23:45,000
And with Mr. Barley with the TDC, you know, concerning, you guys are trying to bring the executorist here, the cruise ships, and a lot of dollars we're discussed earlier today in your advertising campaigns both overseas and here locally as well.

3378
05:23:45,000 --> 05:23:50,000
We want to bring those tourists here and let them enjoy the nature that we've got here in Provard County.

3379
05:23:50,000 --> 05:23:58,000
Our organization is basically an agreement with the bull and items of the proposal, but we do have some questions and concerns about some of those aspects.

3380
05:23:58,000 --> 05:24:03,000
Our business partners for the most part are not at odds with the county usage permit.

3381
05:24:03,000 --> 05:24:12,000
We understand that we are doing business on county property and there's a permit process in place and we would we'd love to abide by that.

3382
05:24:12,000 --> 05:24:23,000
And actually our organization, one of our missions is to assure that guys and tour operators are engaging in business activities with proper licensing insurance and permitting.

3383
05:24:23,000 --> 05:24:31,000
We're aware that we've got partners doing doing business on county facilities and understanding of the permit is necessary.

3384
05:24:31,000 --> 05:24:37,000
And as I understand, to obtain those permits, some of those documents from those businesses would have to be supplied.

3385
05:24:37,000 --> 05:24:51,000
They're by working in the same direction. You guys are going to ensure that people have got proper business license and insurance and that sort of thing, which is really what our organization wants to do. We want to raise the level of professionalism for guy guys and tours as well.

3386
05:24:51,000 --> 05:24:57,000
It's really good for everyone. Some of the questions that I've got and I've raised with Mr. Mason.

3387
05:24:57,000 --> 05:25:08,000
The permit is a twofold system as he discussed. You have a general use permit which would basically cover all of the parks in the area and then the second tier system which would cover

3388
05:25:08,000 --> 05:25:18,000
Manatee Cove and the new and the new park to be open soon. Manatee Cove seems to be the center of all the you know all the issues.

3389
05:25:18,000 --> 05:25:33,000
And within that, for the most part, parking seems to be the biggest issue. One of the questions that I have is you have someone who is a fishing guide for instance, he's a kayak fishing guide and he brings two kayaks, three kayaks with one or two clients.

3390
05:25:33,000 --> 05:25:45,000
And then you've got a large-scale operation that brings 15 or 20 kayaks. Both of them have logos on the side of their vehicle. Both of them are carrying trailers. Both of them are doing business out of the county.

3391
05:25:45,000 --> 05:25:53,000
You're going to segregate between a small and a large, between fishing and non-fishing, between echo tour and non echo tour, where are you going to draw that in that line.

3392
05:25:53,000 --> 05:25:59,000
And if someone who for instance is a small echo tour, they carry five kayaks, but a fishing guide carries three.

3393
05:25:59,000 --> 05:26:07,000
Does the echo tour not feel like they're being picked on, you know, where the fishing guide is allowed to do, allowed to do their business.

3394
05:26:07,000 --> 05:26:21,000
Further, with regard to the permit fees, I don't want to use the word haphazard, but I think we've just come up with a number on the fees, basically based on how much it costs for an individual person, how many people are going to carry there for we think this is a fair amount.

3395
05:26:21,000 --> 05:26:26,000
I think some more research could be done of what a fair permit price actually could be.

3396
05:26:26,000 --> 05:26:32,000
For instance, any of the other permitting that you're doing in the other parks, can we be in line with those with those types of things.

3397
05:26:32,000 --> 05:26:42,000
You've got businesses that are conducting business in other county locations, fishing guides, tour guides, the dolphin tours, pontoon boat tours, those types of things.

3398
05:26:42,000 --> 05:26:46,000
What permitting is in place for them, one of the fees that they're paying at this time.

3399
05:26:46,000 --> 05:26:48,000
We want to make sure those things are in line.

3400
05:26:48,000 --> 05:26:54,000
The last thing, and I see my time is running out, so I'm going to go as quickly as I possibly can, improvements.

3401
05:26:54,000 --> 05:26:59,000
Parking is the issue at Manatee Cove, or these dollars going to be making improvements in that area.

3402
05:26:59,000 --> 05:27:08,000
Can we make some sort of area for trailer parking, trailer parking is becoming very popular for carrying kayaks.

3403
05:27:08,000 --> 05:27:11,000
Now, I only own two kayaks, and I carry them on a trailer.

3404
05:27:11,000 --> 05:27:14,000
The lottery is another issue that we have.

3405
05:27:14,000 --> 05:27:20,000
You're restricting a business to only be able to do business on a certain day if they can afford that day, or if they can afford multiple days.

3406
05:27:20,000 --> 05:27:25,000
It's restrictive to that business, especially kayakotours are not a huge, we're not Walmart.

3407
05:27:25,000 --> 05:27:31,000
They're very small businesses, they operate on a very small budget.

3408
05:27:31,000 --> 05:27:35,000
Let me give you permit my theatrics just for a moment.

3409
05:27:35,000 --> 05:27:37,000
Hello, this is Carol from Oklahoma.

3410
05:27:37,000 --> 05:27:41,000
I'm here for a family reunion, and I would like for everyone to take a tour on Tuesday.

3411
05:27:41,000 --> 05:27:44,000
I'm sorry, man, I'm not allowed to do business on Tuesday.

3412
05:27:44,000 --> 05:27:49,000
Another tour operator, one that day in the lottery, and he's all booked up because the cruise ship is in town.

3413
05:27:49,000 --> 05:27:52,000
Okay, what can we go on Saturday before we head home?

3414
05:27:52,000 --> 05:27:53,000
I'm sorry, man.

3415
05:27:53,000 --> 05:27:55,000
We're not allowed to do business on Saturday.

3416
05:27:55,000 --> 05:28:04,000
It's not really conducive to good business practices here in the county, and it's not providing a good service to the customers that you're trying to attract.

3417
05:28:04,000 --> 05:28:05,000
Thank you very much.

3418
05:28:05,000 --> 05:28:06,000
I appreciate it.

3419
05:28:06,000 --> 05:28:07,000
Thank you.

3420
05:28:07,000 --> 05:28:08,000
We have a question by Michelle Nelson.

3421
05:28:08,000 --> 05:28:12,000
Yes, we're talking about two sites that would apply to.

3422
05:28:12,000 --> 05:28:15,000
That's true, and I'm sure you're aware because I know this is your area.

3423
05:28:15,000 --> 05:28:22,000
Those two sites are the premier echo tour sites because of the wildlife that's in that area, and that hits us the problem.

3424
05:28:22,000 --> 05:28:23,000
Right.

3425
05:28:23,000 --> 05:28:27,000
One of the problems that we have is control access and limiting access.

3426
05:28:27,000 --> 05:28:30,000
You're controlling and limiting business on what they're allowed to do.

3427
05:28:30,000 --> 05:28:39,000
I think what we really need to do is expand the access, expand the parking and allow these businesses to provide the services to the tourists that you're trying to attract.

3428
05:28:39,000 --> 05:28:40,000
And I would agree with you.

3429
05:28:40,000 --> 05:28:41,000
We need to expand access.

3430
05:28:41,000 --> 05:28:43,000
The problem is always going to be at a manatee code.

3431
05:28:43,000 --> 05:28:45,000
There is no more land that's all wetlands around.

3432
05:28:45,000 --> 05:28:49,000
I mean, we've literally carved out whatever we could carve out to develop that site.

3433
05:28:49,000 --> 05:28:55,000
And having traveled to counties all over the state, working with different different communities on this very same issue.

3434
05:28:55,000 --> 05:28:59,000
I'd love to be able to work with with Jack on trying to come up with some ideas.

3435
05:28:59,000 --> 05:29:02,000
If you want to, I did appreciate you saying is that you understand the need to manage it.

3436
05:29:02,000 --> 05:29:04,000
And I think that's the starting point.

3437
05:29:04,000 --> 05:29:05,000
Yeah.

3438
05:29:05,000 --> 05:29:12,000
Commissioner, have you got a question for this gentleman?

3439
05:29:12,000 --> 05:29:19,000
It's just a comment and soon the person that likes to regulate every single issue won't be sitting here anymore.

3440
05:29:19,000 --> 05:29:26,000
And I was trying to keep that myself and I thought, no, it's important to note that the person that brings up virtually every regulation.

3441
05:29:26,000 --> 05:29:34,000
Like when we had the fear about everybody going out and getting themselves a semi because now we were going to allow a semi truck to be allowed to be parked.

3442
05:29:34,000 --> 05:29:35,000
And somebody's yard.

3443
05:29:35,000 --> 05:29:38,000
I haven't seen a bunch of requests for that.

3444
05:29:38,000 --> 05:29:42,000
And so I think that soon we won't have as many regulations.

3445
05:29:42,000 --> 05:29:44,000
And we won't have this fear.

3446
05:29:44,000 --> 05:29:50,000
But keep it in mind that kayaking in 2012 and 2013.

3447
05:29:50,000 --> 05:29:56,000
And expectedly in 2014 is the fastest growing aspect of the voting industry.

3448
05:29:56,000 --> 05:30:00,000
So embrace the numbers of locals that are going to be having the kayaking.

3449
05:30:00,000 --> 05:30:04,000
And also people wanting to do those echo tours through these companies within your county.

3450
05:30:04,000 --> 05:30:09,000
Right. And I don't blame you. And I think it's a great clean business. And I'm so glad you guys ran it.

3451
05:30:09,000 --> 05:30:12,000
And I hope you stick with us for just a little bit longer.

3452
05:30:12,000 --> 05:30:13,000
Thank you, sir.

3453
05:30:13,000 --> 05:30:14,000
Thank you very much.

3454
05:30:14,000 --> 05:30:17,000
It's a shame you're going to have put up the hurt for two more years.

3455
05:30:17,000 --> 05:30:25,000
If you're going to make nasty comments towards me, Commissioner, then let's just go back and forth.

3456
05:30:25,000 --> 05:30:28,000
But the reality is this, is that I'm paying for that.

3457
05:30:28,000 --> 05:30:32,000
You're not paying a dime towards those improvements that were made there.

3458
05:30:32,000 --> 05:30:37,000
Why should a business have that kind of access to something that I'm paying for?

3459
05:30:37,000 --> 05:30:40,000
And my citizens are paying for.

3460
05:30:40,000 --> 05:30:47,000
Please explain to me why you believe that they have a higher right to a public property than the citizens who are paying for it.

3461
05:30:47,000 --> 05:30:54,000
The same reason I believe that you shouldn't have spent a million dollars on an irrigation system for a failing golf course.

3462
05:30:54,000 --> 05:30:55,000
It's priority.

3463
05:30:55,000 --> 05:30:56,000
I would have taken.

3464
05:30:56,000 --> 05:30:57,000
Yes, it is.

3465
05:30:57,000 --> 05:30:58,000
I would have taken that million dollars.

3466
05:30:58,000 --> 05:31:00,000
I think you would be better than in throw in the palm trees too.

3467
05:31:00,000 --> 05:31:02,000
Oh, the palm by a thousand dollar palm.

3468
05:31:02,000 --> 05:31:03,000
Yeah.

3469
05:31:03,000 --> 05:31:07,000
But I, and then I would have spent the million dollars on making some type of parking improvements.

3470
05:31:07,000 --> 05:31:10,000
I'm sure there's something a million dollars could have done.

3471
05:31:10,000 --> 05:31:11,000
Okay, Commissioner.

3472
05:31:11,000 --> 05:31:13,000
So I do have Captain Alex.

3473
05:31:13,000 --> 05:31:15,000
Would you please come forward and.

3474
05:31:15,000 --> 05:31:16,000
States.

3475
05:31:16,000 --> 05:31:18,000
Where you stand on this.

3476
05:31:18,000 --> 05:31:20,000
My name is Captain Alex Grichky.

3477
05:31:20,000 --> 05:31:23,000
I'm owner operator of locallinesharders.com.

3478
05:31:23,000 --> 05:31:24,000
Okay.

3479
05:31:24,000 --> 05:31:26,000
I am a lifelong resident of Marad Island.

3480
05:31:26,000 --> 05:31:29,000
Third generation resident of Bavar County.

3481
05:31:29,000 --> 05:31:31,000
I grew up on North Marad Island.

3482
05:31:31,000 --> 05:31:37,000
I grew up using said parks prior to them even becoming said parks actually.

3483
05:31:37,000 --> 05:31:40,000
Pine Island Road was actually where I was.

3484
05:31:40,000 --> 05:31:41,000
Great.

3485
05:31:41,000 --> 05:31:46,000
This first of all, let me kind of get into actually I want to give a little history real quick.

3486
05:31:46,000 --> 05:31:52,000
The reason why Pine Island and why many take over so fabulous right now and why everybody wants to take a tour there.

3487
05:31:52,000 --> 05:31:57,000
It's because there's little things called springs in both those areas and all the manities hang out.

3488
05:31:57,000 --> 05:32:00,000
It's the easiest place for them to do a tour.

3489
05:32:00,000 --> 05:32:02,000
That's why everybody's there.

3490
05:32:02,000 --> 05:32:03,000
It's.

3491
05:32:03,000 --> 05:32:04,000
That is easiest.

3492
05:32:04,000 --> 05:32:05,000
Okay.

3493
05:32:05,000 --> 05:32:06,000
Real quick.

3494
05:32:06,000 --> 05:32:11,000
I'm going to say right out the gate that I do agree with some sort of permitting process.

3495
05:32:11,000 --> 05:32:17,000
Some sort of controls on what is happening at those two said parks.

3496
05:32:17,000 --> 05:32:19,000
It also should.

3497
05:32:19,000 --> 05:32:21,000
Ripple out to all the parks.

3498
05:32:21,000 --> 05:32:22,000
I believe.

3499
05:32:22,000 --> 05:32:24,000
I hold a permit.

3500
05:32:24,000 --> 05:32:26,000
Not not is as solidified.

3501
05:32:26,000 --> 05:32:28,000
I actually hold a permit right now.

3502
05:32:28,000 --> 05:32:35,000
I paid 250 dollars a year to be able to launch in one of the most ecologically diverse areas around here.

3503
05:32:35,000 --> 05:32:42,000
It's also nationally and internationally known as being ecologically diverse for manities, birds and everything else.

3504
05:32:42,000 --> 05:32:45,000
It's called the Marad Island Wildlife Refuge.

3505
05:32:45,000 --> 05:32:46,000
All right.

3506
05:32:46,000 --> 05:32:47,000
I already own this firm.

3507
05:32:47,000 --> 05:32:53,000
For me, basically all this is going to do is tell me that the two places I fish when I was a kid.

3508
05:32:53,000 --> 05:32:55,000
I don't get to go there anymore.

3509
05:32:55,000 --> 05:32:56,000
Okay.

3510
05:32:56,000 --> 05:32:57,000
I run a charter operation.

3511
05:32:57,000 --> 05:32:58,000
I do fishing.

3512
05:32:58,000 --> 05:33:01,000
I do boat fishing and I also have kayaks that I run.

3513
05:33:01,000 --> 05:33:02,000
Okay.

3514
05:33:02,000 --> 05:33:05,000
I do no more than three clients at a time.

3515
05:33:05,000 --> 05:33:06,000
All right.

3516
05:33:06,000 --> 05:33:07,000
For me to go.

3517
05:33:07,000 --> 05:33:08,000
All right.

3518
05:33:08,000 --> 05:33:12,000
Let me throw away this 250 dollar permit to this ecologically diverse area that gets.

3519
05:33:12,000 --> 05:33:21,000
Press out the Wazoo to pay $1,500 to possibly be able to do one of my charters a week from either

3520
05:33:21,000 --> 05:33:25,000
Pine Island or Manatee Cove is ridiculous.

3521
05:33:25,000 --> 05:33:27,000
It's not business savvy to me.

3522
05:33:27,000 --> 05:33:28,000
It would basically help.

3523
05:33:28,000 --> 05:33:31,000
You know, me not be able to feed my kids.

3524
05:33:31,000 --> 05:33:37,000
So what I look for you guys to possibly do is take a larger look at this situation.

3525
05:33:37,000 --> 05:33:41,000
I know you guys are only in the beginning of this whole process.

3526
05:33:41,000 --> 05:33:47,000
There is other areas that already have permitting that are set more along the lines.

3527
05:33:47,000 --> 05:33:48,000
Cove each.

3528
05:33:48,000 --> 05:33:50,000
You have a permanent process.

3529
05:33:50,000 --> 05:33:56,000
Cove each has a real nasty reputation for playing favorites and for playing with those permanent processes.

3530
05:33:56,000 --> 05:33:57,000
It's not easy to get.

3531
05:33:57,000 --> 05:34:00,000
It's not a walk-through process.

3532
05:34:00,000 --> 05:34:02,000
It's not a fun situation.

3533
05:34:02,000 --> 05:34:05,000
I know longer and haven't for seven years.

3534
05:34:05,000 --> 05:34:08,000
Step foot and ramp road park.

3535
05:34:08,000 --> 05:34:10,000
Which is the park at Cove Beach.

3536
05:34:10,000 --> 05:34:11,000
Everybody regulates.

3537
05:34:11,000 --> 05:34:14,000
Because I have advertising on my truck.

3538
05:34:14,000 --> 05:34:19,000
I will no longer be able to step foot on Manatee Cove or Pine Island.

3539
05:34:19,000 --> 05:34:22,000
Are you believe the two places I grew up fishing.

3540
05:34:22,000 --> 05:34:24,000
Because I have advertising on my truck.

3541
05:34:24,000 --> 05:34:28,000
And the last thing I need is calls coming in that this guy is running in the new business.

3542
05:34:28,000 --> 05:34:31,000
Because I will not pay for the permitting for it.

3543
05:34:31,000 --> 05:34:33,000
It's not worth my time.

3544
05:34:33,000 --> 05:34:37,000
What is going to end up happening unfortunately is a lot of services.

3545
05:34:37,000 --> 05:34:38,000
You're talking about kayaks.

3546
05:34:38,000 --> 05:34:39,000
We don't have to have a boat ramp.

3547
05:34:39,000 --> 05:34:41,000
We don't have to have that stuff.

3548
05:34:41,000 --> 05:34:43,000
These guys are going to go to the side of the road.

3549
05:34:43,000 --> 05:34:45,000
And they're going to launch for kayaks.

3550
05:34:45,000 --> 05:34:47,000
They're going to have their people meet them on the side of the road.

3551
05:34:47,000 --> 05:34:50,000
Doesn't matter if it's 520 in some street.

3552
05:34:50,000 --> 05:34:52,000
They're going to do it anyways.

3553
05:34:52,000 --> 05:34:54,000
I would have a hard time not doing it.

3554
05:34:54,000 --> 05:34:56,000
There are seven different launches.

3555
05:34:56,000 --> 05:35:00,000
I could do to fish the same exact water as Pine Island or Manatee Cove.

3556
05:35:00,000 --> 05:35:04,000
And not pay a dime to the state of Florida to the county of Bucor.

3557
05:35:04,000 --> 05:35:05,000
And I would go that route.

3558
05:35:05,000 --> 05:35:09,000
I prefer to give my clients something nice.

3559
05:35:09,000 --> 05:35:10,000
They have restaurants.

3560
05:35:10,000 --> 05:35:12,000
They have nice parking.

3561
05:35:12,000 --> 05:35:16,000
Chances are there cars not going to get broken into like it would on the side of the street.

3562
05:35:16,000 --> 05:35:18,000
It's not a guarantee.

3563
05:35:18,000 --> 05:35:21,000
I just implore that you kind of take a bigger look at the situation.

3564
05:35:21,000 --> 05:35:22,000
Understand there's other operators.

3565
05:35:22,000 --> 05:35:24,000
There's not just large groups.

3566
05:35:24,000 --> 05:35:28,000
There's not just 20 kayaks.

3567
05:35:28,000 --> 05:35:31,000
There's people like me that have three boats.

3568
05:35:31,000 --> 05:35:33,000
And I put them in the water and I go fishing.

3569
05:35:33,000 --> 05:35:35,000
I run into the same problems.

3570
05:35:35,000 --> 05:35:38,000
Trying to get my stuff out of the water and it's a load.

3571
05:35:38,000 --> 05:35:41,000
And it's a little shuffling and a little bit daunting to get your clients.

3572
05:35:41,000 --> 05:35:44,000
And another water and it's the same if you're a person.

3573
05:35:44,000 --> 05:35:48,000
If you utilize that resource or want to utilize that resource.

3574
05:35:48,000 --> 05:35:53,000
But that doesn't mean that it needs to come down to 500 bucks.

3575
05:35:53,000 --> 05:35:56,000
And then a thousand dollars for each place.

3576
05:35:56,000 --> 05:36:00,000
I guess or one to try to get into a lot of go to a place.

3577
05:36:00,000 --> 05:36:06,000
250 dollars for that refuge permit is a lot cheaper than $1,500.

3578
05:36:06,000 --> 05:36:10,000
And I'm sorry, but even if it was hope.

3579
05:36:10,000 --> 05:36:12,000
If you're going to drive the business up that way.

3580
05:36:12,000 --> 05:36:13,000
Cool.

3581
05:36:13,000 --> 05:36:15,000
But I think we like to keep it in this area.

3582
05:36:15,000 --> 05:36:16,000
Thank you.

3583
05:36:16,000 --> 05:36:17,000
I'll fill.

3584
05:36:17,000 --> 05:36:18,000
Galaway.

3585
05:36:23,000 --> 05:36:25,000
Oh, thank you for letting me talk.

3586
05:36:25,000 --> 05:36:27,000
I'm fill Galaway owner of Clip So kayaking.

3587
05:36:27,000 --> 05:36:31,000
I've been doing equal tours out of a manatee code for four years.

3588
05:36:31,000 --> 05:36:32,000
They all know I've been doing it.

3589
05:36:32,000 --> 05:36:34,000
And I'm all for a permit system.

3590
05:36:34,000 --> 05:36:38,000
They, you know, I have licensed insurance and teach a folks come on my tours.

3591
05:36:38,000 --> 05:36:40,000
To respect manatees nature.

3592
05:36:40,000 --> 05:36:43,000
Tell them about the ecosystem and protecting the lagoon.

3593
05:36:43,000 --> 05:36:48,000
We do a, you know, great respect for the lagoon and teach people that.

3594
05:36:48,000 --> 05:36:51,000
And if you look at the pictures we're talking about parking.

3595
05:36:51,000 --> 05:36:53,000
You can pick them all up there.

3596
05:36:53,000 --> 05:36:55,000
You can see my trailer and one of the pictures.

3597
05:36:55,000 --> 05:36:58,000
There's my trailer, my truck and one of the vehicle.

3598
05:36:58,000 --> 05:37:02,000
And then it's, so there's only certain times of the year when the tourists come.

3599
05:37:02,000 --> 05:37:05,000
You know, there's been a millions of dollars trying to get tourists.

3600
05:37:05,000 --> 05:37:07,000
You know, the office, uh,

3601
05:37:07,000 --> 05:37:10,000
Flood office, the tourism and, uh, chamber of commerce.

3602
05:37:10,000 --> 05:37:13,000
The travel and the villages all over the country trying to get people to come here.

3603
05:37:13,000 --> 05:37:15,000
And they're really pushing nature.

3604
05:37:15,000 --> 05:37:18,000
I had a woman come from Germany and she says,

3605
05:37:18,000 --> 05:37:22,000
All the advertising I see in Germany to come to Florida is nature.

3606
05:37:22,000 --> 05:37:25,000
It says everybody's trying to, is I come into where's the nature.

3607
05:37:25,000 --> 05:37:27,000
So well, here, you're here on the tour right now.

3608
05:37:27,000 --> 05:37:30,000
So they're trying to promote tourism.

3609
05:37:30,000 --> 05:37:33,000
Only time, you know, every country, every city, every county,

3610
05:37:33,000 --> 05:37:35,000
Complains when the tourist come.

3611
05:37:35,000 --> 05:37:36,000
There's not enough parking.

3612
05:37:36,000 --> 05:37:38,000
The road gets congested.

3613
05:37:38,000 --> 05:37:41,000
Um, and sometimes it happens at Manatee Cove.

3614
05:37:41,000 --> 05:37:42,000
Spring break.

3615
05:37:42,000 --> 05:37:45,000
But when everybody leaves and comes to Florida and goes to my tour,

3616
05:37:45,000 --> 05:37:46,000
They leave with a smile and a face.

3617
05:37:46,000 --> 05:37:48,000
You should see the people how much they enjoy.

3618
05:37:48,000 --> 05:37:51,000
You know, coming out to Florida and seeing Manatees,

3619
05:37:51,000 --> 05:37:52,000
We teach them not to chase Manatees.

3620
05:37:52,000 --> 05:37:53,000
Don't chase the dolphins.

3621
05:37:53,000 --> 05:37:55,000
You know, we're very, you know, conscious.

3622
05:37:55,000 --> 05:37:57,000
I'm doing a proper business.

3623
05:37:57,000 --> 05:37:58,000
I adopted a nylon.

3624
05:37:58,000 --> 05:37:59,000
They clean the park daily.

3625
05:37:59,000 --> 05:38:00,000
I clean the islands.

3626
05:38:00,000 --> 05:38:01,000
You trash, I pick up.

3627
05:38:01,000 --> 05:38:04,000
And all those boards that were torn off, those were locally.

3628
05:38:04,000 --> 05:38:09,000
They want to load their, load their boat ramps or their trailers into there.

3629
05:38:09,000 --> 05:38:11,000
So they pull off the two by sixes.

3630
05:38:11,000 --> 05:38:14,000
And they were preparing all those.

3631
05:38:14,000 --> 05:38:15,000
But, um, limiting the days.

3632
05:38:15,000 --> 05:38:17,000
You don't think I have, I'm with the permits.

3633
05:38:17,000 --> 05:38:18,000
But limiting the days.

3634
05:38:18,000 --> 05:38:19,000
You can go there.

3635
05:38:20,000 --> 05:38:21,000
Um, I've been there four years.

3636
05:38:21,000 --> 05:38:23,000
When I first started business, nobody knows about Manatees.

3637
05:38:23,000 --> 05:38:24,000
Go.

3638
05:38:24,000 --> 05:38:25,000
It's off the beaten path.

3639
05:38:25,000 --> 05:38:28,000
Um, when I was there, like you can see three cars there.

3640
05:38:28,000 --> 05:38:29,000
You're lucky.

3641
05:38:29,000 --> 05:38:31,000
And, uh, I brought awareness to Manatees.

3642
05:38:31,000 --> 05:38:32,000
Go, more people are coming.

3643
05:38:32,000 --> 05:38:34,000
Because the word of mouth gets out and people come up.

3644
05:38:34,000 --> 05:38:35,000
I didn't know Manatees.

3645
05:38:35,000 --> 05:38:36,000
Go, it's here.

3646
05:38:36,000 --> 05:38:37,000
So I'm glad you're here.

3647
05:38:37,000 --> 05:38:38,000
I don't have a kayak.

3648
05:38:38,000 --> 05:38:40,000
You give me access now.

3649
05:38:40,000 --> 05:38:42,000
I've come down here and take advantage of the,

3650
05:38:42,000 --> 05:38:44,000
The launch point, the ramps.

3651
05:38:44,000 --> 05:38:47,000
Um, but I'm all for the permitting.

3652
05:38:47,000 --> 05:38:49,000
You know, I do run up standing business.

3653
05:38:49,000 --> 05:38:51,000
I want to do it from day one.

3654
05:38:51,000 --> 05:38:55,000
Um, so, um, let's say when the tourists come,

3655
05:38:55,000 --> 05:38:58,000
I can take 21 people out and they come in three vehicles.

3656
05:38:58,000 --> 05:39:00,000
Because they all get around car and they all come together.

3657
05:39:00,000 --> 05:39:02,000
They're the locals who come one, one, one, one.

3658
05:39:02,000 --> 05:39:05,000
So, um, I haven't seen a series.

3659
05:39:05,000 --> 05:39:08,000
Um, and we always try to teach my employees and myself.

3660
05:39:08,000 --> 05:39:11,000
We try to leave room for the locals and everybody else is coming in out.

3661
05:39:11,000 --> 05:39:12,000
We don't block the whole ramp.

3662
05:39:12,000 --> 05:39:14,000
You know, maybe on occasion, you know,

3663
05:39:14,000 --> 05:39:16,000
It might go over crowded at times.

3664
05:39:16,000 --> 05:39:19,000
Um, but we always try to help them, you know, the people that are loading.

3665
05:39:19,000 --> 05:39:21,000
I help them load their kayaks.

3666
05:39:21,000 --> 05:39:22,000
I'm loading them.

3667
05:39:22,000 --> 05:39:24,000
Um, try to get along with everybody.

3668
05:39:24,000 --> 05:39:27,000
All the other businesses.

3669
05:39:27,000 --> 05:39:30,000
Um, I don't want to take advantage of the parks.

3670
05:39:30,000 --> 05:39:33,000
I've looked around for commercial places where I could do it.

3671
05:39:33,000 --> 05:39:35,000
Off of a real commercial and pay rent.

3672
05:39:35,000 --> 05:39:38,000
But there's the county has the best places to launch.

3673
05:39:38,000 --> 05:39:39,000
They really do.

3674
05:39:39,000 --> 05:39:42,000
And they bought these places so we do have access.

3675
05:39:42,000 --> 05:39:45,000
So, you know, private people don't buy property.

3676
05:39:45,000 --> 05:39:51,000
Not anybody, uh, use the ramps and stuff like that.

3677
05:39:51,000 --> 05:39:54,000
You know, like the marina, they have no bolt ramps and stuff.

3678
05:39:54,000 --> 05:39:58,000
So, the county has the best spots to show the tourism, you know,

3679
05:39:58,000 --> 05:40:00,000
the ecosystems and stuff like that.

3680
05:40:00,000 --> 05:40:01,000
That's all I have to say.

3681
05:40:01,000 --> 05:40:06,000
And I think, uh, I also do, uh, they're, they're, they're all, they're trading in this, uh,

3682
05:40:06,000 --> 05:40:08,000
agreement that they don't want to do rentals.

3683
05:40:08,000 --> 05:40:13,000
I lowered my rental prices really low because I know that the locals don't want to pay

3684
05:40:13,000 --> 05:40:15,000
my higher tour prices.

3685
05:40:15,000 --> 05:40:17,000
They already see manatees and Delphs.

3686
05:40:17,000 --> 05:40:20,000
They just want to get out there and see the lagoon on their own.

3687
05:40:20,000 --> 05:40:24,000
So, um, I'll really low prices to get the locals come out.

3688
05:40:24,000 --> 05:40:26,000
And it's been a success.

3689
05:40:26,000 --> 05:40:28,000
And people are happy that I'm doing rental.

3690
05:40:28,000 --> 05:40:31,000
But the disagreement they're talking about says no rentals.

3691
05:40:31,000 --> 05:40:32,000
That's a why.

3692
05:40:32,000 --> 05:40:33,000
So, I don't know why.

3693
05:40:33,000 --> 05:40:37,000
So, um, and if you look at the picture as a parking,

3694
05:40:38,000 --> 05:40:39,000
and I tell you what to hit and jam.

3695
05:40:39,000 --> 05:40:41,000
I mean, Florida is really, um,

3696
05:40:41,000 --> 05:40:43,000
advertising hidden gems.

3697
05:40:43,000 --> 05:40:45,000
And Manatee Cole was a hidden gem.

3698
05:40:45,000 --> 05:40:48,000
And I think to see, with that pricing structure,

3699
05:40:48,000 --> 05:40:53,000
I won't be, I can't use, I can't go one day a week around a business.

3700
05:40:53,000 --> 05:40:57,000
I'm going somewhere else since we've said that the tourists won't be able to, uh,

3701
05:40:57,000 --> 05:41:00,000
see Manatee Cole.

3702
05:41:00,000 --> 05:41:01,000
Thanks for your time.

3703
05:41:01,000 --> 05:41:04,000
I do have, uh, commissioner Fisher with a question.

3704
05:41:04,000 --> 05:41:05,000
Okay.

3705
05:41:05,000 --> 05:41:06,000
I'm just a couple of times curious.

3706
05:41:06,000 --> 05:41:08,000
If parking's a problem.

3707
05:41:08,000 --> 05:41:11,000
If you, if you didn't allow, um,

3708
05:41:11,000 --> 05:41:12,000
buses to park there.

3709
05:41:12,000 --> 05:41:16,000
But that, is that even possible?

3710
05:41:16,000 --> 05:41:19,000
Um, if you say that you can freely drop off,

3711
05:41:19,000 --> 05:41:22,000
but you can up park your bus for 3, 4, 5 hours.

3712
05:41:22,000 --> 05:41:24,000
So, you'll allow residents to get America.

3713
05:41:24,000 --> 05:41:25,000
Is that it?

3714
05:41:25,000 --> 05:41:26,000
Yeah, that's possibility.

3715
05:41:26,000 --> 05:41:29,000
We could have the buses park another location in the park.

3716
05:41:29,000 --> 05:41:31,000
Uh, it's just that it's a bottleneck.

3717
05:41:31,000 --> 05:41:35,000
Uh, less than a half acre, 26 parking spots, including handicaps,

3718
05:41:35,000 --> 05:41:36,000
spots.

3719
05:41:36,000 --> 05:41:39,000
And when you get the bus, or buses, in some cases,

3720
05:41:39,000 --> 05:41:43,000
and three or four trailers with vehicles on it,

3721
05:41:43,000 --> 05:41:45,000
just creates a problem.

3722
05:41:45,000 --> 05:41:46,000
Uh, but yes, yes, sir.

3723
05:41:46,000 --> 05:41:47,000
That's it.

3724
05:41:47,000 --> 05:41:48,000
That's impossible.

3725
05:41:48,000 --> 05:41:51,000
Uh, your businesses required to carry,

3726
05:41:51,000 --> 05:41:53,000
are you permanent anywhere else in the county?

3727
05:41:53,000 --> 05:41:57,000
Do we make you get an occupational permit for your business or anything?

3728
05:41:57,000 --> 05:41:58,000
I have a business license.

3729
05:41:58,000 --> 05:41:59,000
There's a license.

3730
05:41:59,000 --> 05:42:00,000
There's nothing more occupational.

3731
05:42:00,000 --> 05:42:02,000
Okay, but you're a business license,

3732
05:42:02,000 --> 05:42:03,000
through the county or county.

3733
05:42:03,000 --> 05:42:04,000
Yeah, county.

3734
05:42:04,000 --> 05:42:06,000
Uh, I have my, I live in Cucco.

3735
05:42:06,000 --> 05:42:08,000
So, I got an office here in Cucco.

3736
05:42:08,000 --> 05:42:10,000
So, I have a Cucco and a county license.

3737
05:42:10,000 --> 05:42:11,000
Two, two, two.

3738
05:42:11,000 --> 05:42:13,000
And most of the other ones have the same thing.

3739
05:42:13,000 --> 05:42:14,000
Did you pick up?

3740
05:42:14,000 --> 05:42:15,000
Um, last year.

3741
05:42:15,000 --> 05:42:16,000
Right.

3742
05:42:16,000 --> 05:42:17,000
You can program.

3743
05:42:17,000 --> 05:42:19,000
It allows you to do the lives.

3744
05:42:19,000 --> 05:42:20,000
Anywhere you see.

3745
05:42:20,000 --> 05:42:21,000
Anywhere you see.

3746
05:42:21,000 --> 05:42:23,000
There are a lot of left.

3747
05:42:23,000 --> 05:42:25,000
If you have no, and I have another,

3748
05:42:25,000 --> 05:42:26,000
no other permits.

3749
05:42:27,000 --> 05:42:28,000
Okay.

3750
05:42:28,000 --> 05:42:32,000
Um, the phone conversation strike me a little bit.

3751
05:42:32,000 --> 05:42:35,000
You know, if you're a private business and, yeah.

3752
05:42:35,000 --> 05:42:38,000
Uh, it kind of hit home as, you know, hey, got a couple.

3753
05:42:38,000 --> 05:42:41,000
I mean, we, I mean, we want to think we always kind of say this.

3754
05:42:41,000 --> 05:42:43,000
We want, we want, we want our parks to have use, right?

3755
05:42:43,000 --> 05:42:45,000
And sometimes we don't have enough use in them.

3756
05:42:45,000 --> 05:42:49,000
And so, I know this is a special, um, a park.

3757
05:42:49,000 --> 05:42:54,000
But, um, not being able to provide a tour from somebody when they want to.

3758
05:42:54,000 --> 05:42:57,000
Kind of strikes me as a little concerning.

3759
05:42:57,000 --> 05:43:03,000
With this, uh, if you lemon into one day or week or, you know, uh, just two days a week.

3760
05:43:03,000 --> 05:43:08,000
If I'm a business owner and, and I've got an opportunity to have, you know,

3761
05:43:08,000 --> 05:43:10,000
maybe it's just two clients every day.

3762
05:43:10,000 --> 05:43:13,000
Uh, I like to be able to take those two clients out.

3763
05:43:13,000 --> 05:43:15,000
Any day that I can.

3764
05:43:15,000 --> 05:43:23,000
And I feel like I'm, I'm limited, um, um, in a certain, in a certain park that some of the business can do.

3765
05:43:23,000 --> 05:43:29,000
So, I don't know. I mean, I, I, I, I understand the concern of our residents having access to it and being able to use it.

3766
05:43:29,000 --> 05:43:35,000
I think, you know, maybe if you move in the parking bus, uh, and not allowing buses to take up, you know,

3767
05:43:35,000 --> 05:43:37,000
six or seven parking spots at a time.

3768
05:43:37,000 --> 05:43:41,000
And the trailer is not doing that, that you might be able to come up with some kind of compromise.

3769
05:43:41,000 --> 05:43:44,000
I'm just not sure it's ready to be served up the way it's written today.

3770
05:43:44,000 --> 05:43:50,000
Um, uh, I, I, I was a small business guy on the kayak thing, especially if I'm only taking, you know, a guy.

3771
05:43:50,000 --> 05:43:53,000
I mean, you, you take a guy with kayaks, two people.

3772
05:43:53,000 --> 05:43:55,000
You know, he can only go on Mondays.

3773
05:43:55,000 --> 05:43:58,000
Something seems wrong with that process.

3774
05:43:58,000 --> 05:44:01,000
Uh, commissioner Anderson, do you have the question for this gentleman?

3775
05:44:01,000 --> 05:44:04,000
No, I just follow up and commissioner Fisher said that.

3776
05:44:04,000 --> 05:44:05,000
Okay.

3777
05:44:05,000 --> 05:44:10,000
You can control the buses that you can, like, a lot of tourists destination is, of course, the drop off.

3778
05:44:10,000 --> 05:44:11,000
They have to go stage somewhere else.

3779
05:44:11,000 --> 05:44:14,000
I don't care if they have to drive the perkins or wherever.

3780
05:44:14,000 --> 05:44:17,000
And when their clients come back, and the tour operator calls them,

3781
05:44:17,000 --> 05:44:19,000
and they're just taking my, I don't even want them beyond sight.

3782
05:44:19,000 --> 05:44:20,000
And I have them.

3783
05:44:20,000 --> 05:44:21,000
I don't have them, so I'm talking, so I'm hadn't sit down.

3784
05:44:21,000 --> 05:44:24,000
And I have one more thing I'm sorry, Mr.

3785
05:44:24,000 --> 05:44:26,000
I think I'm going to have a commission also.

3786
05:44:26,000 --> 05:44:29,000
I- how are you going to, how are you going to enforce it?

3787
05:44:29,000 --> 05:44:34,000
To, I mean, you know, you're talking from six in the morning.

3788
05:44:34,000 --> 05:44:36,000
What six is seven at night.

3789
05:44:36,000 --> 05:44:41,000
What's your idea of how you enforce this if we send in the Sheriff out there?

3790
05:44:41,000 --> 05:44:46,920
out there. We're sitting code enforcing out there. We got a park ranger calling us or how

3791
05:44:46,920 --> 05:44:53,080
would that work? Have you given any thoughts? Yes, we have. Okay, a lot of thoughts.

3792
05:44:53,080 --> 05:45:00,120
Can we hold that thought though for a moment? I would like to take care of these last two speakers.

3793
05:45:00,000 --> 05:45:04,000
And then we'll bring it back to the board for the discussion. William, thank you, sir.

3794
05:45:04,000 --> 05:45:11,000
My name is William Koalak. I'm owner, operate over the venture kayak of Coco Beach. And I've been in business for about 15 years.

3795
05:45:11,000 --> 05:45:23,000
And I've been around around circles with the city of Coco Beach. And I was there when the cruise ships came in pretty much screwed me over in the Coco Beach area.

3796
05:45:23,000 --> 05:45:38,000
So they put up permits and limited. And I've kind of taken working out of there too. And I also divided my business up into more areas, including Manatee Cove.

3797
05:45:38,000 --> 05:45:51,000
And that was real helpful too. And what I'm suggesting is to have some kind of permitting and limits, but don't go overboard.

3798
05:45:51,000 --> 05:46:02,000
I'd like for each and every one of the commissioners here. And everybody is sitting over there to look up the society of ethical ecotourism, right this down.

3799
05:46:02,000 --> 05:46:11,000
Go on the YouTube, go on the internet, and look up their reasoning on how to be a tour guide.

3800
05:46:11,000 --> 05:46:33,000
And this is a society of ethical ecotourism, capital S, capital E, capital E. And I was asking the mass to kind of tailor the contract into that guide here.

3801
05:46:33,000 --> 05:46:43,000
But anyway, I'm all for the top section. $500 is great. It's great. We should have access to everything.

3802
05:46:43,000 --> 05:46:54,000
But this bottom section here where they got restricted to one day, $1,000 for a Monday. He's going to get stuck with the $1,000.

3803
05:46:54,000 --> 05:47:04,000
The way I was told was, it's a restricted permit issued $1,000 per annual day awarded. So that's $1,000.

3804
05:47:04,000 --> 05:47:14,000
You're allowed to go every week on a Monday. Who gets the Friday?

3805
05:47:15,000 --> 05:47:31,000
And there was something about mention, and this other guy mentioned about Cucco Beach. They had the land management. They really, really were buddy buddies and they were trying to make friends and doing things and they're trying to make it as a franchise agreement.

3806
05:47:31,000 --> 05:47:35,000
That's not good. And I didn't like what they were doing over there.

3807
05:47:35,000 --> 05:47:58,000
It's this. But I like everything here except for this section. And I think if you were to come up with this restrictions, that would eliminate the bus loads, 50, 60 people out of time.

3808
05:47:58,000 --> 05:48:10,000
And I even admit that it's hard to work out of there. As far as the six pack, people with the six pack license that are operating out of these things don't bother them.

3809
05:48:10,000 --> 05:48:24,000
If this guy that's got a kayak full of trailers, taking out six people, shouldn't have to go through this permit process. I like to work with the group of 16 people.

3810
05:48:24,000 --> 05:48:34,000
And the people that get there early, I send them off with a guide. The people that get there late, they go off with the second guide. But I like to have two guides at the park.

3811
05:48:34,000 --> 05:48:40,000
That's only logical. It's one man operation is in good, unless you're under six people.

3812
05:48:40,000 --> 05:48:56,000
But I like for everybody to look up this society that the Calico tourism and just drop this 1,000 per annual day and try to keep it restricted.

3813
05:48:56,000 --> 05:49:05,000
And another thing, too, I'm grateful for the tourism, because it pays my state taxes. I'm happy about it.

3814
05:49:05,000 --> 05:49:19,000
These locations that we're talking about, we're talking about Manatee Cove. Once we open up sites, the Pine Island Road, you're going to find more businesses going over there.

3815
05:49:19,000 --> 05:49:28,000
And that's a good thing, too. There's only one problem. There's no bathrooms with Pine Island Road. So that's going to restrict everybody.

3816
05:49:28,000 --> 05:49:37,000
Parking, it's ridiculous. That picture you've seen up there was on a Monday in October.

3817
05:49:37,000 --> 05:49:48,000
They didn't take the picture in a march on a Monday because it is crowded right out the roadway. You can't get through there.

3818
05:49:48,000 --> 05:49:58,000
And talking about 50, 60 kayaks on the ground going out of one point. That's only about why is this good. 60 kayaks.

3819
05:49:58,000 --> 05:50:04,000
That's not talking about the people trying to get in the boat, trying to get in more or less trying to get off.

3820
05:50:04,000 --> 05:50:13,000
They're going to have to wait for about 45 minutes to get in back in again. And that's where I could see locals. Oh, another thing, too.

3821
05:50:13,000 --> 05:50:17,000
Sure, you'll need to wrap up your time. OK, I'm completed.

3822
05:50:17,000 --> 05:50:24,000
Let's expand Manatee Cove. And I've been talking to talk about getting an intersection for site's creep.

3823
05:50:24,000 --> 05:50:33,000
The intersection of barge can out in site's creep. This is owned by the poor canaveral authorities. Right under that bridge.

3824
05:50:33,000 --> 05:50:40,000
We could turn that into a park and that would be a great place for the cruise ships. The cruise ships need to start pulling their side of the way.

3825
05:50:40,000 --> 05:50:44,000
There are over-running these facilities. Thank you very much.

3826
05:50:44,000 --> 05:50:46,000
Thank you. Darling Hunt.

3827
05:50:46,000 --> 05:50:48,000
Good job, ladies.

3828
05:50:54,000 --> 05:51:02,000
Thank you, Madam Chairman, commissioners and staff. My name is Darling Hunt. I live at 125 Westwhistfully Road on North Maryland.

3829
05:51:03,000 --> 05:51:15,000
And I'm here because I heartily support Equatorism for Bavard County. And I love that tour companies are using our facilities to show visitors from around the world what we have.

3830
05:51:15,000 --> 05:51:19,000
But I also love wonderful little Manatee Cove Park.

3831
05:51:19,000 --> 05:51:25,000
It does need to have some sort of a sustainability public access use.

3832
05:51:26,000 --> 05:51:35,000
I was part of the group on North Maryland many many years ago who lobbied for Manatee Cove Park to be created and to purchase it.

3833
05:51:35,000 --> 05:51:37,000
And then to be created.

3834
05:51:37,000 --> 05:51:43,000
To the long time when they were talking about putting the road through there, it was through wetlands.

3835
05:51:43,000 --> 05:51:46,000
So mitigation was necessary.

3836
05:51:46,000 --> 05:51:55,000
We got a group of 50 local volunteers to plant native plants around a little pond there in Manatee Cove Park.

3837
05:51:55,000 --> 05:51:57,000
Yeah, Manatee Cove Park.

3838
05:51:57,000 --> 05:52:03,000
We got three pickup truck loads full of pick roll and duck potato.

3839
05:52:03,000 --> 05:52:09,000
I made contact with the Kennedy Space Center and got permission to harvest from there, so we wouldn't have to buy it.

3840
05:52:09,000 --> 05:52:13,000
Don't get to do that very often, but I did.

3841
05:52:13,000 --> 05:52:23,000
50 of us slugged in the mud and planted all around a little pond as the mitigation for going through those wetlands.

3842
05:52:23,000 --> 05:52:27,000
We do pepper bus. I don't know John. I wasn't here when John's going to.

3843
05:52:27,000 --> 05:52:37,000
We do pepper bus, which is Brazilian pepper trees that crowd out the native vegetation at Manatee Cove Park as well as King Park and other places on Maradown.

3844
05:52:37,000 --> 05:52:40,000
Our local residents do that.

3845
05:52:44,000 --> 05:52:55,000
I don't know if anybody thought about something like construction of an observation deck and maybe some blocks and platforms.

3846
05:52:55,000 --> 05:53:02,000
A little walkways so that people could come and seize Manateees without actually getting in the water with them.

3847
05:53:02,000 --> 05:53:10,000
It would not be difficult to do, but it would be a way of still offering this precious resource that we have.

3848
05:53:10,000 --> 05:53:14,000
Without as much of an environmental impact.

3849
05:53:14,000 --> 05:53:16,000
Just an idea.

3850
05:53:16,000 --> 05:53:34,000
Anyway, I do support the county effort very much to manage the overuse of these fragile kayaking canoe launching areas that we have through a commercial permit process and also a restricted use permit for the Manatee Cove Park.

3851
05:53:34,000 --> 05:53:36,000
Thanks. Thank you.

3852
05:53:36,000 --> 05:53:40,000
Commissioner Stavus, our last card. So it's back to the board.

3853
05:53:40,000 --> 05:53:42,000
Commissioner Nelson.

3854
05:53:42,000 --> 05:53:49,000
As I said, we need to do something to begin to understand what's happening out there.

3855
05:53:49,000 --> 05:53:53,000
I was a little bit squishy when I saw the numbers and I appreciate what Jack and his staff did.

3856
05:53:53,000 --> 05:53:57,000
But when I saw the numbers it kind of, I flenched.

3857
05:53:57,000 --> 05:54:01,000
But I think maybe what we could undertake is a two-step process.

3858
05:54:01,000 --> 05:54:04,000
One is we need to know who our users are.

3859
05:54:04,000 --> 05:54:17,000
And not make the, let's first understand who's using it and how often they're using it and try to develop some information as opposed to immediately deciding when we're going to allow it to be used and by him.

3860
05:54:17,000 --> 05:54:28,000
So some either low-cost or no-cost permiting process just so we begin to identify all the different groups that are using it so that we can then assess maybe some ways to do it.

3861
05:54:28,000 --> 05:54:33,000
And if you do that over a period of time, you'll also know when your high season is, you know, those kinds of things.

3862
05:54:33,000 --> 05:54:44,000
So you know, I would support staff, you know, working with the embassy and no-cost permiting process just to begin to develop the information so that we can, at least know who's using it.

3863
05:54:44,000 --> 05:54:56,000
And then in six months or whenever you, you have a team appropriate, probably almost a year cycle is to bring that back to the board with some recommendations and again working with the community.

3864
05:54:56,000 --> 05:55:04,000
That's not only the folks that are paying for it, you know, the, my North Maryland I folks, but also the kayak group.

3865
05:55:04,000 --> 05:55:07,000
Because I think it's a solution in there.

3866
05:55:07,000 --> 05:55:12,000
I'm just not ready to pull the trigger on exactly what we've talked about, but I think they're elements of it.

3867
05:55:12,000 --> 05:55:15,000
We can begin to identify.

3868
05:55:15,000 --> 05:55:25,000
So that would be my recommendation to the board is to initiate a permitting process at no cost to, with the elements that talk about proof of insurance.

3869
05:55:25,000 --> 05:55:35,000
Those types of things that protect the industry as well as us and to do an assessment over, I'll say, your period.

3870
05:55:35,000 --> 05:55:37,000
Commissioner Fisher.

3871
05:55:37,000 --> 05:55:39,000
I know we heard from today.

3872
05:55:39,000 --> 05:55:45,000
There have been any conversations between staff and this group prior to this.

3873
05:55:45,000 --> 05:55:46,000
Yes sir.

3874
05:55:46,000 --> 05:55:48,000
So you've had some dialogue.

3875
05:55:48,000 --> 05:55:49,000
Yes sir.

3876
05:55:49,000 --> 05:55:52,000
I mean, because sometimes you know, we've done working groups type of things set up.

3877
05:55:52,000 --> 05:55:58,000
It might be worthwhile getting some kind of working group together with staff to come up with some, you know, some ways of.

3878
05:55:58,000 --> 05:56:07,000
Some like several you've got to interest in making sure people legit, insured, you know, protecting the waterways and doing all those type of things.

3879
05:56:07,000 --> 05:56:09,000
And so it's probably.

3880
05:56:09,000 --> 05:56:20,000
There's some value and I think staff, which you get with them also and kind of coming back to the board with something that everybody can see live with.

3881
05:56:20,000 --> 05:56:25,000
I concur with commissioners on this. I think that this is a good dialogue to get started on something.

3882
05:56:25,000 --> 05:56:27,000
My concern is the parking.

3883
05:56:27,000 --> 05:56:30,000
I'm not as concerned with the permits as I am.

3884
05:56:30,000 --> 05:56:43,000
The parking is there a place where the commercial area because could go and park and come back is their ability to expand the parking locations out where they are currently.

3885
05:56:44,000 --> 05:56:57,000
There's just there's just a lot of variables yet. So I propose that we have the item go to staff work on it some more and bring it back to the new board.

3886
05:56:57,000 --> 05:56:58,000
Michelle Nelson.

3887
05:56:58,000 --> 05:57:08,000
I just could say I think we pointed out there's a bottle neck and that and not even I think more so than the parking is a problem how to get in the water because it's a fairly small space in there.

3888
05:57:08,000 --> 05:57:18,000
But I also think that once point island opens up it's going to move some of that traffic out so that I think it'll be interesting to see how that plays out going forward.

3889
05:57:18,000 --> 05:57:37,000
And the one thing I would never want to take away from staff is the ability to say okay we're continuing to see a problem but you will have had an opportunity to identify more of the specifics of what those problems are and then bring that back to the county commission and certainly have our local client businesses involved in that discussion.

3890
05:57:38,000 --> 05:57:47,000
So is it I'm getting the feel for the board that we would like to have this revisited and no no vote at this time.

3891
05:57:47,000 --> 05:57:48,000
Okay.

3892
05:57:48,000 --> 05:57:54,000
Well, do we need one we make an action to create the permit I think.

3893
05:57:54,000 --> 05:58:03,000
You know because that way at least they've got the authority to say I want to know who you are I'm not going to charge you for but I want to know who you are so we can develop.

3894
05:58:03,000 --> 05:58:09,000
If nothing else email list of what the issues are and and usage and those kinds of things.

3895
05:58:09,000 --> 05:58:12,000
Commissioner Fentini.

3896
05:58:12,000 --> 05:58:21,000
What are going to be the rules for receiving a permit is it going to be that lottery or you're just going to have to get a permit to go to the park if you're.

3897
05:58:21,000 --> 05:58:30,000
And if you don't have one we tell you would you please sign up is it's not there's no penalty what we're trying to do is to develop.

3898
05:58:30,000 --> 05:58:39,000
Knowledge about the the issue as opposed to be punitive or to control usage right now so it's really to find out what's what's happening and.

3899
05:58:40,000 --> 05:58:43,000
The issue of documentation this is a good way to do it.

3900
05:58:43,000 --> 05:58:49,000
Just if all we're doing then it just registering the people who's using it there's no fee anything like that.

3901
05:58:49,000 --> 05:58:51,000
I don't know.

3902
05:58:51,000 --> 05:59:01,000
Is there any enforcement on that so if I if I go to the park and I don't get my permit and I just go ahead and launch with my five people who's going to come by we're going to have like a park.

3903
05:59:01,000 --> 05:59:07,000
Did you need to put that in there I mean you need to add the whole step or don't have it at all.

3904
05:59:08,000 --> 05:59:24,000
I mean I just I think it needs more time I don't think you need to I don't think it's soup yet so you have an idea you want to have so what what are going to be all the elements you can't vote for something without knowing who's going to enforce it what are you going to do when you go to the people I mean.

3905
05:59:24,000 --> 05:59:27,000
Yeah see anything missing here.

3906
05:59:27,000 --> 05:59:30,000
I'm not going to comment on that one.

3907
05:59:31,000 --> 05:59:39,000
Go ahead all I'm trying to do what I'm trying to do is get the industry to work with us to come up with with some information and there is no penalty.

3908
05:59:39,000 --> 05:59:46,000
And and if somebody who is running a business through there says we don't want to fill it out then there's no penalty.

3909
05:59:46,000 --> 05:59:50,000
I mean it's in their best interest to do it I think but.

3910
05:59:50,000 --> 05:59:58,000
That's why I'm asking what there's nothing you you don't have all of the details perhaps we should do legislative intent have you all come back with.

3911
05:59:58,000 --> 06:00:00,000
Of better formulated idea.

3912
06:00:00,000 --> 06:00:02,000
I'm going to start by chair.

3913
06:00:02,000 --> 06:00:07,000
You just got the four people to hear it left for five people. Do you all have business license?

3914
06:00:07,000 --> 06:00:13,000
You do? I mean, we can start there. Anybody who's got a business license, go ahead and issue a permit to.

3915
06:00:13,000 --> 06:00:15,000
Okay. And so now they have one, it's free.

3916
06:00:15,000 --> 06:00:19,000
I know. Right. Right. So they post them a business license.

3917
06:00:19,000 --> 06:00:22,000
Go ahead and issue one of our part permits with them assuming they're going to use it.

3918
06:00:22,000 --> 06:00:26,000
And that at least start getting five, six, seven, eight, or ten people, you know, issue.

3919
06:00:26,000 --> 06:00:28,000
Jack. And then you can figure out.

3920
06:00:28,000 --> 06:00:29,000
Yeah.

3921
06:00:29,000 --> 06:00:30,000
The answer.

3922
06:00:30,000 --> 06:00:31,000
The answer.

3923
06:00:31,000 --> 06:00:40,000
If you want to come forward, I'll ask you the question of, what do you think?

3924
06:00:40,000 --> 06:00:46,000
As far as the permitting system that you guys are talking about, whether it's a pay or a free permitting system,

3925
06:00:46,000 --> 06:00:51,000
it would help protect the county. I think as well is in order to issue that permit.

3926
06:00:51,000 --> 06:00:57,000
If it's free, have the same regulations as far as if they were going to be issued a hot dog vendor permit.

3927
06:00:57,000 --> 06:01:02,000
Whatever a hot dog vendor or any other vendor operating on the county property would have,

3928
06:01:02,000 --> 06:01:07,000
which I'm assuming is a minimum of occupational license in some sort of liability insurance.

3929
06:01:07,000 --> 06:01:13,000
If you've got those two things present to them, and then you're issued your, your license whether it's free or pay license.

3930
06:01:13,000 --> 06:01:19,000
But I think where I was going, we have the billi now to know where we've issued business licenses.

3931
06:01:19,000 --> 06:01:20,000
Correct.

3932
06:01:20,000 --> 06:01:23,000
So we could issue a permit based off of that.

3933
06:01:23,000 --> 06:01:27,000
Sometimes the description on the occupational license can be a little obscure.

3934
06:01:27,000 --> 06:01:30,000
You know, mine, for instance, doesn't necessarily cover kayaking.

3935
06:01:30,000 --> 06:01:32,000
I have a multi-faceted business.

3936
06:01:32,000 --> 06:01:35,000
You're part of the problem.

3937
06:01:35,000 --> 06:01:38,000
Is it that other thing?

3938
06:01:38,000 --> 06:01:43,000
And plus issuing, having a county permit does not indicate whether or not you have insurance.

3939
06:01:43,000 --> 06:01:47,000
You could have a county permit without having insurance.

3940
06:01:47,000 --> 06:01:49,000
And I don't think you want to do that.

3941
06:01:50,000 --> 06:01:51,000
In the county.

3942
06:01:51,000 --> 06:01:52,000
In the county.

3943
06:01:52,000 --> 06:01:54,000
In order to obtain one of the county park permits.

3944
06:01:54,000 --> 06:01:59,000
You have to have liability insurance and occupational license.

3945
06:01:59,000 --> 06:02:01,000
So I would guess that would cover.

3946
06:02:01,000 --> 06:02:04,000
Mr. Whitman.

3947
06:02:04,000 --> 06:02:05,000
Madam chair.

3948
06:02:05,000 --> 06:02:14,000
We will work with the community and the businesses to develop the voluntary licensing,

3949
06:02:14,000 --> 06:02:18,000
and the local, the licensing, and bring it back to the board.

3950
06:02:18,000 --> 06:02:19,000
Okay.

3951
06:02:19,000 --> 06:02:20,000
Okay.

3952
06:02:20,000 --> 06:02:21,000
Agreed.

3953
06:02:21,000 --> 06:02:22,000
All right.

3954
06:02:22,000 --> 06:02:24,000
Okay. Next item.

3955
06:02:24,000 --> 06:02:27,000
Shall we see two.

3956
06:02:27,000 --> 06:02:29,000
We're going to talk about space co-steam.

3957
06:02:29,000 --> 06:02:33,000
Thank you very much for coming today and discussing that with us.

3958
06:02:33,000 --> 06:02:35,000
Madam chair.

3959
06:02:35,000 --> 06:02:39,000
What we've done with regards to this item is

3960
06:02:40,000 --> 06:02:43,000
Prioritize a number of significant improvements there.

3961
06:02:43,000 --> 06:02:48,000
And if you look on page two of your agenda report.

3962
06:02:48,000 --> 06:02:52,000
The four different categories are safety improvement, waterproofing,

3963
06:02:52,000 --> 06:02:56,000
structural improvements in general capital repair.

3964
06:02:56,000 --> 06:03:00,000
Well, significantly is the completion of the waterproofing items there.

3965
06:03:00,000 --> 06:03:06,000
And so that's why unlike in the years past, recent years past.

3966
06:03:07,000 --> 06:03:09,000
This is 830,000 dollars.

3967
06:03:09,000 --> 06:03:13,000
And so these are basically priority items.

3968
06:03:13,000 --> 06:03:18,000
One through 22 on the Barbarque County facilities.

3969
06:03:18,000 --> 06:03:22,000
Listing of recommended are prioritized improvements there.

3970
06:03:22,000 --> 06:03:25,000
And so I would ask of the board.

3971
06:03:25,000 --> 06:03:27,000
Approved this listing.

3972
06:03:27,000 --> 06:03:30,000
We're not doing things like painting the stadium again,

3973
06:03:30,000 --> 06:03:34,000
but these are most significant and the most urgent.

3974
06:03:35,000 --> 06:03:38,000
Improvements that are necessary for your asset.

3975
06:03:38,000 --> 06:03:40,000
I do have Commissioner Anderson.

3976
06:03:40,000 --> 06:03:44,000
I just want to say there's a stuff that we'd have to do to protect the taxpayer asset

3977
06:03:44,000 --> 06:03:47,000
regardless of how to make the motion of the offer.

3978
06:03:47,000 --> 06:03:50,000
I have a motion by Commissioner Anderson.

3979
06:03:50,000 --> 06:03:53,000
Second by Commissioner Nelson.

3980
06:03:53,000 --> 06:03:55,000
I have.

3981
06:03:55,000 --> 06:03:58,000
Someone check on Fisher.

3982
06:03:58,000 --> 06:04:03,000
All in favor.

3983
06:04:03,000 --> 06:04:05,000
Please stay at I.

3984
06:04:05,000 --> 06:04:07,000
Anyone opposed.

3985
06:04:07,000 --> 06:04:10,000
It'll be four with one absent.

3986
06:04:10,000 --> 06:04:17,000
And I hope that wasn't intentional.

3987
06:04:17,000 --> 06:04:22,000
Next item on the agenda.

3988
06:04:22,000 --> 06:04:32,000
Three.

3989
06:04:32,000 --> 06:04:36,000
Lead action commissioners.

3990
06:04:36,000 --> 06:04:42,000
Item 5C3 corresponds to item 5E3 as well.

3991
06:04:42,000 --> 06:04:46,000
I just want to bring that to your attention.

3992
06:04:46,000 --> 06:04:49,000
So for five.

3993
06:04:49,000 --> 06:04:56,000
C3 once we have a new tower, which we are building at the day street site.

3994
06:04:56,000 --> 06:05:01,000
We would like to put that space on that tower out for bids.

3995
06:05:01,000 --> 06:05:03,000
Two cellular companies.

3996
06:05:03,000 --> 06:05:10,000
And the minimum bid would be 42,000 per year with a 4% annual increase.

3997
06:05:10,000 --> 06:05:12,000
Back to the board.

3998
06:05:12,000 --> 06:05:17,000
I have no.

3999
06:05:17,000 --> 06:05:20,000
I have a motion by Commissioner Fisher.

4000
06:05:20,000 --> 06:05:21,000
Second by Commissioner Anderson.

4001
06:05:21,000 --> 06:05:22,000
All in favor.

4002
06:05:22,000 --> 06:05:23,000
Please stay at I.

4003
06:05:23,000 --> 06:05:24,000
Anyone opposed.

4004
06:05:24,000 --> 06:05:26,000
Passes four.

4005
06:05:26,000 --> 06:05:27,000
One.

4006
06:05:27,000 --> 06:05:28,000
Continue.

4007
06:05:28,000 --> 06:05:31,000
Next item.

4008
06:05:31,000 --> 06:05:32,000
Next item.

4009
06:05:32,000 --> 06:05:34,000
The next item is just like the last one.

4010
06:05:34,000 --> 06:05:36,000
The only difference is this is at a different location.

4011
06:05:36,000 --> 06:05:38,000
This is our new tower.

4012
06:05:38,000 --> 06:05:40,000
Radio tower at the Scott's Morse site.

4013
06:05:40,000 --> 06:05:46,000
And we also want to put that out to bid to cellular companies to co-locate with a

4014
06:05:46,000 --> 06:05:50,000
minimum $42,000 annual bid with a 4% increase.

4015
06:05:50,000 --> 06:05:52,000
I got a motion by Commissioner Anderson.

4016
06:05:52,000 --> 06:05:53,000
Second by Commissioner Fisher.

4017
06:05:53,000 --> 06:05:54,000
All in favor.

4018
06:05:54,000 --> 06:05:55,000
Please stay at I.

4019
06:05:55,000 --> 06:05:56,000
They want to pose.

4020
06:05:56,000 --> 06:05:57,000
Passes four.

4021
06:05:57,000 --> 06:05:58,000
One.

4022
06:05:58,000 --> 06:05:59,000
Commissioner and Fantini.

4023
06:05:59,000 --> 06:06:02,000
E1.

4024
06:06:02,000 --> 06:06:05,000
5E1.

4025
06:06:05,000 --> 06:06:09,000
This would be one of our new radio towers.

4026
06:06:09,000 --> 06:06:14,000
That we intend to build as part of the expansion of the 800 megahertz radio system.

4027
06:06:14,000 --> 06:06:19,000
And we would like to build that on a site owned by the city of Indian Harbor Beach.

4028
06:06:19,000 --> 06:06:25,000
Once we build that site on their property, in return for them, allowing us to build on their property.

4029
06:06:25,000 --> 06:06:31,000
They would like to share any revenue that we obtain from cellular co-location.

4030
06:06:31,000 --> 06:06:37,000
And so we would like to establish the ground lease and designate to the county manager or

4031
06:06:37,000 --> 06:06:41,000
his designate the ability to negotiate that agreement.

4032
06:06:41,000 --> 06:06:43,000
I have a motion by Commissioner Fisher.

4033
06:06:43,000 --> 06:06:45,000
Second by Commissioner Anderson.

4034
06:06:45,000 --> 06:06:46,000
All in favor.

4035
06:06:46,000 --> 06:06:47,000
Please stay at I.

4036
06:06:47,000 --> 06:06:48,000
Anyone opposed.

4037
06:06:48,000 --> 06:06:49,000
For one.

4038
06:06:49,000 --> 06:06:51,000
Commissioner Fantini.

4039
06:06:51,000 --> 06:06:53,000
Item two.

4040
06:06:53,000 --> 06:07:05,000
So this is requesting to increase the authorized borrowing amount.

4041
06:07:05,000 --> 06:07:09,000
And it's for the completion of the 100 megahertz expansion project.

4042
06:07:09,000 --> 06:07:13,000
If you'll recall in 2012 you approved in theory.

4043
06:07:13,000 --> 06:07:16,000
The approval of the $15 million.

4044
06:07:16,000 --> 06:07:19,000
800 megahertz expansion project.

4045
06:07:19,000 --> 06:07:24,000
In 2012 you then approved phase one dollars, which was 5.7 million.

4046
06:07:24,000 --> 06:07:29,000
In 2013 you approved the second phase, which was 5.6 million.

4047
06:07:29,000 --> 06:07:32,000
And then this is the third phase, which is 4.1 million.

4048
06:07:32,000 --> 06:07:34,000
This is not new additional dollars.

4049
06:07:34,000 --> 06:07:40,000
I have a motion by Commissioner Fisher.

4050
06:07:40,000 --> 06:07:42,000
Second by Commissioner Nelson.

4051
06:07:42,000 --> 06:07:43,000
All in favor.

4052
06:07:43,000 --> 06:07:44,000
Please stay at I.

4053
06:07:44,000 --> 06:07:45,000
Anyone opposed.

4054
06:07:45,000 --> 06:07:46,000
Passes.

4055
06:07:46,000 --> 06:07:47,000
For one.

4056
06:07:47,000 --> 06:07:50,000
Commissioner Fantini.

4057
06:07:50,000 --> 06:07:52,000
And then finally the last one.

4058
06:07:52,000 --> 06:07:53,000
5 E3.

4059
06:07:53,000 --> 06:07:54,000
Is it.

4060
06:07:54,000 --> 06:07:57,000
It's cellular agreement with Verizon wireless.

4061
06:07:57,000 --> 06:07:59,000
For our day street location in Titusville.

4062
06:07:59,000 --> 06:08:02,000
We need to replace that tower as part of the rate.

4063
06:08:02,000 --> 06:08:05,000
800 megahertz radio system.

4064
06:08:05,000 --> 06:08:08,000
We are in negotiations with Verizon wireless.

4065
06:08:08,000 --> 06:08:12,000
And in return for them building the tower and funding that for us.

4066
06:08:12,000 --> 06:08:20,000
We would have bait their rent for seven years, including two of those years being retroactive.

4067
06:08:20,000 --> 06:08:22,000
I have a motion by Commissioner Fisher.

4068
06:08:22,000 --> 06:08:23,000
Second by Commissioner Anderson.

4069
06:08:23,000 --> 06:08:24,000
All in favor.

4070
06:08:24,000 --> 06:08:25,000
Please stay at I.

4071
06:08:25,000 --> 06:08:27,000
Anyone opposed.

4072
06:08:27,000 --> 06:08:28,000
Passes.

4073
06:08:28,000 --> 06:08:29,000
5.0.

4074
06:08:30,000 --> 06:08:33,000
We will now go to our next item.

4075
06:08:33,000 --> 06:08:35,000
Which is a citizen request.

4076
06:08:35,000 --> 06:08:36,000
Mr. Robert.

4077
06:08:36,000 --> 06:08:37,000
Nope.

4078
06:08:37,000 --> 06:08:38,000
I'm sorry.

4079
06:08:38,000 --> 06:08:40,000
Okay.

4080
06:08:40,000 --> 06:08:41,000
I'm sorry.

4081
06:08:41,000 --> 06:08:45,000
You trying to add on to my agenda here.

4082
06:08:45,000 --> 06:08:48,000
If you would like to come to the podium, please.

4083
06:08:48,000 --> 06:08:50,000
Mr. Witton.

4084
06:08:50,000 --> 06:08:51,000
You're late.

4085
06:08:51,000 --> 06:08:52,000
Yeah.

4086
06:08:52,000 --> 06:08:54,000
I just want to make the point on those items.

4087
06:08:55,000 --> 06:08:58,000
Did you just approve C3C4?

4088
06:08:58,000 --> 06:09:01,000
E1, E2, and E3.

4089
06:09:01,000 --> 06:09:06,000
Those are all 800 megahertz radio system projects there.

4090
06:09:06,000 --> 06:09:09,000
And so those are public safety projects there.

4091
06:09:09,000 --> 06:09:11,000
I think the general public could have missed that.

4092
06:09:11,000 --> 06:09:19,000
And so we are expanding our abilities to communicate on the emergency radio system.

4093
06:09:19,000 --> 06:09:22,000
By their approval of a number of those items.

4094
06:09:22,000 --> 06:09:27,000
And we're simply leasing space on the necessary towers to sell companies.

4095
06:09:27,000 --> 06:09:30,000
And so those are very important items that you just approve.

4096
06:09:30,000 --> 06:09:35,000
And I just wanted to make sure that the general public didn't miss that.

4097
06:09:35,000 --> 06:09:37,000
Thank you.

4098
06:09:37,000 --> 06:09:38,000
Sir.

4099
06:09:38,000 --> 06:09:40,000
If you'd take your name and address.

4100
06:09:40,000 --> 06:09:42,000
My name is Bob Coonst.

4101
06:09:42,000 --> 06:09:45,000
I'm president of Shalom International out of my TV.

4102
06:09:45,000 --> 06:09:49,000
I'm 25 West 49 Street, native born Miami Beach.

4103
06:09:49,000 --> 06:09:52,000
I drove 200 miles to get here.

4104
06:09:52,000 --> 06:09:54,000
I've been here over six hours.

4105
06:09:54,000 --> 06:09:59,000
I could have driven almost round trip for Miami to Orlando.

4106
06:09:59,000 --> 06:10:02,000
While you were negotiating this issue with all aboard Florida.

4107
06:10:02,000 --> 06:10:05,000
And I'm sorry you didn't put me on with those other people.

4108
06:10:05,000 --> 06:10:08,000
I think I could have added some benefit to it.

4109
06:10:08,000 --> 06:10:19,000
I'm sorry Mr. Reinigre is not here because in March of this year we wrote to him and asked him.

4110
06:10:19,000 --> 06:10:23,000
Would you tell us what trains you're using?

4111
06:10:23,000 --> 06:10:27,000
And by the way, please don't go for a French or German trains.

4112
06:10:27,000 --> 06:10:31,000
Because these are companies that participated in the Holocaust.

4113
06:10:31,000 --> 06:10:36,000
I've never compensated survivors or ares.

4114
06:10:36,000 --> 06:10:44,000
And these are burning issues right now in the state of Maryland and the state of New York and the exact same issue of high speed trains.

4115
06:10:44,000 --> 06:10:50,000
And the question is why is any company that participated in the Holocaust allowed to do business in Bernard,

4116
06:10:50,000 --> 06:10:57,000
State of Florida, anywhere in the United States that hasn't met this obligation?

4117
06:10:58,000 --> 06:11:03,000
So I come to you today for moral ethical purposes, tragically lacking in all aboard Florida,

4118
06:11:03,000 --> 06:11:10,000
choosing Siemens to run its speed trains for Miami to Orlando, possibly to happen, who knows where.

4119
06:11:10,000 --> 06:11:15,000
Siemens was one of the worst German companies in the Holocaust.

4120
06:11:15,000 --> 06:11:21,000
There were 14 million slaves worked to death or lead to the gas chambers and Siemens,

4121
06:11:21,000 --> 06:11:35,000
who Hitler had addressed in 1933 in degrading Jews and was one of the leading slave labor companies with hundreds of thousands in Auschwitz and 400 other facilities.

4122
06:11:35,000 --> 06:11:41,000
I heard their presentation, week as much are a great train system.

4123
06:11:41,000 --> 06:11:43,000
There were no other trains to choose from.

4124
06:11:43,000 --> 06:11:50,000
We couldn't get a response from Mr. Reinerger at a three request because the game was already rigged.

4125
06:11:50,000 --> 06:11:57,000
There are company emblem, Siemens is still on gas chambers.

4126
06:11:57,000 --> 06:12:01,000
I book them all, death camp were 150,000 people were murdered.

4127
06:12:01,000 --> 06:12:06,000
Tens of thousands were killed in Ravensburg, which was a women's death camp.

4128
06:12:06,000 --> 06:12:08,000
They had a quarter of a million enslaved.

4129
06:12:08,000 --> 06:12:15,000
These women were working on V1 and V2 bombs, a killed tens of thousands between London and Antwerp.

4130
06:12:15,000 --> 06:12:22,000
They were working on you, boats, a killed 60,000 people, including right here off of the coast of Florida.

4131
06:12:22,000 --> 06:12:24,000
We're ships that were sunk.

4132
06:12:24,000 --> 06:12:30,000
This is the company that all aboard Florida wants to represent the state of Florida.

4133
06:12:30,000 --> 06:12:35,000
There's no other company in the world making trains.

4134
06:12:35,000 --> 06:12:42,000
Ravensburg, with a clothing and fur is from 7 million Jews were killed, that's where we're shipped.

4135
06:12:43,000 --> 06:12:45,000
The Soviets liberated this camp.

4136
06:12:45,000 --> 06:12:51,000
April 30th, 1945, and only 3500 sick people were left there.

4137
06:12:51,000 --> 06:12:55,000
Besides gas chambers, medical experiments took place.

4138
06:12:55,000 --> 06:12:59,000
Thousands of victims were murdered there.

4139
06:12:59,000 --> 06:13:02,000
Youth in Asia was carried out in mass.

4140
06:13:02,000 --> 06:13:09,000
And Siemens electric was the number one user of this madness in horror, among the 400 places they ran.

4141
06:13:09,000 --> 06:13:18,000
There were 42,500 places of mass murder in the Holocaust with a half a million participating in this industrial German killing of the Jews and others.

4142
06:13:18,000 --> 06:13:27,000
Siemens was a key player and its CEO was part of Heinrich Himmler's inner circle of SS planning the final solution of the Jews.

4143
06:13:27,000 --> 06:13:30,000
You don't want to hear this from Mr. Reiniger.

4144
06:13:30,000 --> 06:13:36,000
For 55 years, Siemens kept their mouth shut about the Holocaust and the role in it.

4145
06:13:37,000 --> 06:13:41,000
In 1997, they said, we have no responsibility.

4146
06:13:41,000 --> 06:13:43,000
We don't want to touch this.

4147
06:13:43,000 --> 06:13:52,000
All of a sudden, in 1998, this is the number two corporation in the entire world that brought in 104 billion dollars last year.

4148
06:13:52,000 --> 06:13:56,000
They offered survivors $12 million in 1998.

4149
06:13:56,000 --> 06:14:05,000
The German government itself has no better, but they've been negotiating to give money to ghetto, slave laborers for years.

4150
06:14:05,000 --> 06:14:12,000
They only negotiated this a couple of months ago, a billion dollars, only going back to 1999.

4151
06:14:12,000 --> 06:14:17,000
What happened to the 50 years of between?

4152
06:14:17,000 --> 06:14:20,000
That doesn't matter.

4153
06:14:20,000 --> 06:14:26,000
In 2002, Siemens Corporation wanted to trademark the word Zyklon.

4154
06:14:26,000 --> 06:14:29,000
Are you ready for this?

4155
06:14:29,000 --> 06:14:34,000
For its vacuum cleaners, Zyklon B was a gas use to kill millions of people with.

4156
06:14:34,000 --> 06:14:39,000
It was only because mass of protest took place that Siemens backed off.

4157
06:14:39,000 --> 06:14:43,000
This is the same Siemens.

4158
06:14:43,000 --> 06:14:49,000
I hope you'll give me the extension of being here six hours to have a little bit more time to tell you about this, OK?

4159
06:14:49,000 --> 06:14:51,000
I'll extend it to the board.

4160
06:14:51,000 --> 06:14:54,000
His time is up if he would want to extend.

4161
06:14:54,000 --> 06:14:55,000
Okay.

4162
06:14:55,000 --> 06:14:56,000
Yes, sir.

4163
06:14:58,000 --> 06:15:00,000
This corporation is involved.

4164
06:15:00,000 --> 06:15:09,500
Open such scandalous levels on bribery and corruption, from Greece, Brazil, Argentina, spy systems in Iran,

4165
06:15:09,500 --> 06:15:16,740
Iraq, a food for oil, scandal that costs $38 million with the United Nations. Seemance

4166
06:15:16,740 --> 06:15:21,800
has paid out over a billion and a half dollars, just in fines for their scandalous bribery

4167
06:15:21,800 --> 06:15:27,040
charges all over the world. This is the only company that all aboard Florida could put together.

4168
06:15:28,040 --> 06:15:38,040
I could go on and on and on. It's such a disgraceful record. The point is that I, as a Floridian, do not want to be represented and misrepresented on this scale.

4169
06:15:38,040 --> 06:15:42,040
And I want to just add a couple of points personally.

4170
06:15:46,040 --> 06:15:52,040
We all want business. We all want to do good things for Florida. Is this one of the good things for Florida?

4171
06:15:52,040 --> 06:16:01,040
Two weeks ago, we had a vote in Miami to put up a giant thousand-foot observation tower. The developer came to us and said,

4172
06:16:01,040 --> 06:16:10,040
no problem. We'll pay for it, no big deal. Soon as it passed, right away, he wants to charge $8 million to put up the structure.

4173
06:16:10,040 --> 06:16:21,040
We've already lost a support of the Miami Mayor. We have a monstrous situation with a nearly $700 million gift to Mr.

4174
06:16:21,040 --> 06:16:25,040
Loria for the Miami Marlins. Whose president came out and said,

4175
06:16:25,040 --> 06:16:32,040
God, you people are really fools talking to the citizens. After we vote this thing in and put up the burden and the stadium is empty,

4176
06:16:32,040 --> 06:16:38,040
because nobody will support this bomb with treats on the garbage.

4177
06:16:38,040 --> 06:16:44,040
Miami is like the hot spot right now. Every criminal in the planet wants to be there with their millions.

4178
06:16:44,040 --> 06:16:50,040
185 towers are going up. Three of them over 100 stories.

4179
06:16:50,040 --> 06:16:59,040
So when you talk about private enterprise, it just doesn't always work out because we're losing why we are there. You can't even see the skylight anymore.

4180
06:16:59,040 --> 06:17:05,040
They're making us look like New York and Hong Kong and Honolulu all together because of money talks.

4181
06:17:05,040 --> 06:17:10,040
What else is going on? You think you're going to get the job? You think you're going to have this and that and everything?

4182
06:17:10,040 --> 06:17:19,040
All great promises, but the bottom line is it's not there. And the reason is not there is because the ethics and the truth that should be coming out on the total project isn't there.

4183
06:17:19,040 --> 06:17:25,040
If we can't even get that response. So this sign that I showed you about all aboard Auschwitz, all aboard Florida,

4184
06:17:25,040 --> 06:17:32,040
we're already took to the governor's debate at the Broward Community College on October 15th. Now one negative.

4185
06:17:32,040 --> 06:17:40,040
We took this Sunday to the torture French at downtown Miami by Bayside to get thousands of tourists from all over the place.

4186
06:17:40,040 --> 06:17:46,040
One negative. Everybody else is on our side. Mr. Reiniger thinks he's got this thing all wrapped up.

4187
06:17:46,040 --> 06:17:52,040
And he came here by the way and I was got to tell you from all the people from South Florida. I was disappointed.

4188
06:17:52,040 --> 06:18:01,040
That's it. That's all they got. For a project on this kind of a scale, it's monstrous. All I'm asking you is to make a statement.

4189
06:18:01,040 --> 06:18:12,040
To Mr. Reiniger and all aboard Florida, from Broward County. If you're going to do your project and get away with it, maybe and I'm not sure that's even going to go through yet.

4190
06:18:12,040 --> 06:18:19,040
But maybe how about just trying another company to run the trains? Why would you pick this monstrous company?

4191
06:18:19,040 --> 06:18:25,040
And by the way, why would you not negotiate real money for survivors?

4192
06:18:25,040 --> 06:18:33,040
I've got to tell you something. In the last four years, I will wrap this up. Last four years, we've been demonstrating with all of us.

4193
06:18:33,040 --> 06:18:44,040
Survivor Foundation, USA, out of Miami, up in Boca, return. Because we have Aliands. Aliands stole all these deaf benefits.

4194
06:18:44,040 --> 06:18:52,040
Those survivors, two billion, won't even sit down and talk with them and runs all these golf tournaments in Boca, return.

4195
06:18:52,040 --> 06:19:01,040
That's what we're dealing with. So my question to you is why is any company that plays this dirty game that has their hands so bloody in this monstrous situation.

4196
06:19:01,040 --> 06:19:07,040
One of the worst events in history, why are they allowed to do business and not compensate the survivors and others?

4197
06:19:07,040 --> 06:19:12,040
And I'm asking you a moral issue here. Because how can you tell today's kids?

4198
06:19:12,040 --> 06:19:23,040
Oh, don't be criminals, don't be murderers, don't be rapists, don't be terrorists. Why should they listen to you when you already let the real criminals get away with it?

4199
06:19:23,040 --> 06:19:31,040
So I'm asking you two things here. One is don't support demons to run the trains.

4200
06:19:31,040 --> 06:19:36,040
And secondly, make a resolution that everybody will hear about throughout the state and throughout the country.

4201
06:19:36,040 --> 06:19:43,040
Nobody does business here unless you've paid up unless you've worked out an arrangement unless you deal with the survivors and areas.

4202
06:19:43,040 --> 06:19:47,040
We can't allow this criminal enterprise to be rewarded.

4203
06:19:47,040 --> 06:19:51,040
I'd be glad to answer any questions.

4204
06:19:51,040 --> 06:19:55,040
Thank you sir. I see no light. Thank you.

4205
06:19:55,040 --> 06:20:06,040
We did have under public comment on car, but I think he has already left. So we will be going now to the board reports.

4206
06:20:06,040 --> 06:20:11,040
By the way, we're not picking on you. We're going to 10 commissions with us to make sure everybody has to deal with it.

4207
06:20:11,040 --> 06:20:13,040
Thank you.

4208
06:20:14,040 --> 06:20:18,040
Commissioner, I think we need to go back to item 2c2.

4209
06:20:18,040 --> 06:20:22,040
We call that we want to clarify the process on that item.

4210
06:20:22,040 --> 06:20:29,040
That's right. Oh my gosh, we did forget. Okay. Let's go back to 2c2.

4211
06:20:29,040 --> 06:20:45,040
2c2, that was for the cell towers.

4212
06:20:45,040 --> 06:20:48,040
That's why you guys never got up.

4213
06:20:48,040 --> 06:20:58,040
Okay, I'm going to go over this and it's talking about the permission to solicit and award competitive bids for companies.

4214
06:20:58,040 --> 06:21:05,040
I just want to talk about the bid process and how that is going to work.

4215
06:21:05,040 --> 06:21:12,040
Initially, we are in order to determine how the bid method or process is going to work.

4216
06:21:12,040 --> 06:21:19,040
We're contacting the carriers to determine their top list of sites based on the master plan that's identified.

4217
06:21:19,040 --> 06:21:23,040
There are a lot of them that are included in that master plan.

4218
06:21:23,040 --> 06:21:28,040
To determine the best method, we need to know the height of the towers.

4219
06:21:28,040 --> 06:21:33,040
We need to know the locations where they're at within the sites and the sites around them.

4220
06:21:33,040 --> 06:21:40,040
And the different types, even though they are identified in the master plan, we want to capture which ones are those top sites for the carriers.

4221
06:21:40,040 --> 06:21:44,040
So we can include that in the bid documentation.

4222
06:21:44,040 --> 06:21:56,040
We're looking at possibly doing a multi step bid, which would be to pre qualifies contractors prior to obtaining bids for specific sites for this year.

4223
06:21:56,040 --> 06:22:04,040
And give them those contractors contractors that are qualified only those contractors, the opportunity to bid on those sites.

4224
06:22:04,040 --> 06:22:16,040
So there's a couple different methods that we're looking at, but we are gathering information to determine what is the best method for that.

4225
06:22:16,040 --> 06:22:19,040
Okay, to the board.

4226
06:22:19,040 --> 06:22:23,040
I have a motion by Commissioner Fisher, do I have a second.

4227
06:22:23,040 --> 06:22:27,040
Hi, I'm a second by Commissioner Nelson any discussion.

4228
06:22:27,040 --> 06:22:31,040
All in favor, please state I or anyone opposed.

4229
06:22:31,040 --> 06:22:37,040
Passes for one commissioner and continuing.

4230
06:22:37,040 --> 06:22:40,040
Now I'll go back to Mr. Whitman again.

4231
06:22:40,040 --> 06:22:49,040
Madam Chair, just two items there and first item is for you and Commissioner Nelson there just says.

4232
06:22:49,040 --> 06:22:58,040
The staff representative we want to thank you for your service and and thank you for allowing us to have eight years of open and honest dialogue.

4233
06:22:58,040 --> 06:23:00,040
So we really appreciate that.

4234
06:23:00,040 --> 06:23:05,040
I wish you well in your future endeavors, whatever those will be.

4235
06:23:06,040 --> 06:23:13,040
Second item is and is on a very sad note earlier today fellow employee art.

4236
06:23:13,040 --> 06:23:28,040
Churchill was killed in an accident on his way to work and so Mr. Churchill was a driver for transit and so our thoughts and prayers are with his family as they deal with that tragedy.

4237
06:23:28,040 --> 06:23:30,040
It's just a curve this morning.

4238
06:23:30,040 --> 06:23:33,040
That's it for me.

4239
06:23:33,040 --> 06:23:35,040
Mr. Knox.

4240
06:23:35,040 --> 06:23:37,040
Like to.

4241
06:23:37,040 --> 06:23:43,040
Did oh on Stockton's comments Chuck, I've known for over 30 years.

4242
06:23:43,040 --> 06:23:47,040
And we've done a lot of things over the years and I really appreciate that.

4243
06:23:47,040 --> 06:23:49,040
I had the opportunity to work with you here.

4244
06:23:49,040 --> 06:23:57,040
And Mary really enjoyed working with you especially the chair to a real great job and we should both the best.

4245
06:23:57,040 --> 06:24:00,040
Thank you. Thank you.

4246
06:24:00,040 --> 06:24:02,040
Commissioner Nelson.

4247
06:24:02,040 --> 06:24:08,040
I'm going to defer to the last meeting which is November 6th.

4248
06:24:08,040 --> 06:24:10,040
Thank you so much.

4249
06:24:10,040 --> 06:24:11,040
No report.

4250
06:24:11,040 --> 06:24:14,040
Commissioner and continue.

4251
06:24:14,040 --> 06:24:16,040
I don't have anything.

4252
06:24:16,040 --> 06:24:18,040
Commissioner Anderson.

4253
06:24:18,040 --> 06:24:20,040
Another report thank you.

4254
06:24:20,040 --> 06:24:22,040
Commissioner Fisher.

4255
06:24:22,040 --> 06:24:23,040
Yeah.

4256
06:24:23,040 --> 06:24:31,040
I did oh and I'm quite sure I'll say some of the last meeting too but it has been a pleasure serving with both of you for the last six years.

4257
06:24:31,040 --> 06:24:39,040
Six years for me and probably more important I felt like I've got two friends.

4258
06:24:39,040 --> 06:24:41,040
And that means a lot to me.

4259
06:24:41,040 --> 06:24:49,040
So thank you for your relationship and the friendship and professionalism and helping move things through.

4260
06:24:49,040 --> 06:24:52,040
As issues have come up in the last six years because it hasn't been hard.

4261
06:24:52,040 --> 06:24:54,040
Yeah, easy six years.

4262
06:24:54,040 --> 06:24:55,040
Thank you.

4263
06:24:55,040 --> 06:24:58,040
Thank you.

4264
06:24:58,040 --> 06:24:59,040
Under my report.

4265
06:24:59,040 --> 06:25:00,040
I have two things.

4266
06:25:00,040 --> 06:25:07,040
The first thing I want to bring forward is to have at least a rise come forward and Jen Conrad.

4267
06:25:07,040 --> 06:25:10,040
How are you?

4268
06:25:10,040 --> 06:25:13,040
Howard.

4269
06:25:13,040 --> 06:25:16,040
So first of all thank you very much.

4270
06:25:16,040 --> 06:25:21,040
And I know I'm probably the thing that stands between you and being released from this very long day.

4271
06:25:21,040 --> 06:25:25,040
So I will be as quick and as entertaining as I possibly can be.

4272
06:25:25,040 --> 06:25:37,040
I also want to thank both of you Commissioner Nelson and Commissioner Bowman for all of the help and just the support that you've given to career source provide and to myself personally even.

4273
06:25:37,040 --> 06:25:43,040
You know because I've called upon you guys at different times and asked for help and questions and things and you've always been very supportive.

4274
06:25:43,040 --> 06:25:45,040
So thank you very much.

4275
06:25:45,040 --> 06:25:47,040
We're going to actually roll a video.

4276
06:25:47,040 --> 06:25:51,040
I believe that talks about the item that I'm here today.

4277
06:25:51,040 --> 06:25:54,040
So hopefully I don't know if you guys get to see it while it's rolling.

4278
06:25:54,040 --> 06:25:57,040
I hope we have not seen it up pulled up yet.

4279
06:25:57,040 --> 06:25:58,040
But I hear it.

4280
06:25:58,040 --> 06:26:03,040
Here we go.

4281
06:26:03,040 --> 06:26:04,040
Hello.

4282
06:26:04,040 --> 06:26:07,040
My dynamic night retired Colonel United States Army.

4283
06:26:07,040 --> 06:26:11,040
Today I'm asking for your help and supporting our local soldiers.

4284
06:26:11,040 --> 06:26:16,040
The military spouses and older children and I know truly want to become employed in helping their families.

4285
06:26:16,040 --> 06:26:18,040
Yet they face so many challenges.

4286
06:26:18,040 --> 06:26:21,040
Your donation will help provide specialized training.

4287
06:26:21,040 --> 06:26:25,040
Kind of the cost of a certificate and help prepare them for work.

4288
06:26:25,040 --> 06:26:31,040
Please consider a small donation and then share the information with others who care about our military families.

4289
06:26:31,040 --> 06:26:33,040
Thank you.

4290
06:26:45,040 --> 06:26:49,040
Being the daughter of a military man meant constant moving for one teenager.

4291
06:26:49,040 --> 06:26:52,040
I've moved around around five times.

4292
06:26:52,040 --> 06:26:54,040
So it was hard.

4293
06:26:54,040 --> 06:26:57,040
It's like starting over every time I moved.

4294
06:26:57,040 --> 06:27:00,040
Finding a job in a new town every few years was equally difficult.

4295
06:27:00,040 --> 06:27:05,040
Until single Terry learned about the jump start program from career source for bar.

4296
06:27:05,040 --> 06:27:06,040
Formally provide workforce.

4297
06:27:06,040 --> 06:27:10,040
Jump start helping me be able to decide what I wanted to do in the future.

4298
06:27:10,040 --> 06:27:16,040
She says the program which is supported by public donations helped give her free training on finding a job

4299
06:27:16,040 --> 06:27:22,040
and provided many resources to learn about what her skills were and offer her help in learning more skills.

4300
06:27:22,040 --> 06:27:27,040
That takes money which is why jump start is looking to the public now for donations for this program.

4301
06:27:27,040 --> 06:27:36,040
Your donations will help me to be able to achieve my dream and it'll be an investment for the future.

4302
06:27:36,040 --> 06:27:41,040
I spent the first five years of my life with other people because my mom was always overseas.

4303
06:27:41,040 --> 06:27:49,040
So if I had a program like this, since I have a program like this, I can really get the skills I need from the people I need and excel in life.

4304
06:27:49,040 --> 06:27:55,040
Zach Lewis says he is glad for bar county residents are donating to the program for other military children and spouses.

4305
06:27:55,040 --> 06:27:59,040
Jump start really helps me get into a program that could help me.

4306
06:27:59,040 --> 06:28:04,040
My mom didn't have to pay for it and yeah that helps everybody.

4307
06:28:04,040 --> 06:28:09,040
The program is also offered at no cost to adults helping Christy Tanner.

4308
06:28:09,040 --> 06:28:11,040
I also gave me a scholarship to go to school.

4309
06:28:11,040 --> 06:28:15,040
So I started the LPN class in January.

4310
06:28:15,040 --> 06:28:21,040
I'll be finished in December of the same year and that will travel with me no matter where we get a patient there.

4311
06:28:27,040 --> 06:28:35,040
So career source providers involved in this crowdfunding effort because we have a lot of military families who are coming back here.

4312
06:28:35,040 --> 06:28:37,040
They're coming from overseas.

4313
06:28:37,040 --> 06:28:39,040
They're being outstationed here.

4314
06:28:39,040 --> 06:28:41,040
They're deciding to live here.

4315
06:28:41,040 --> 06:28:45,040
And they don't have that connectivity that they need to get into the job market.

4316
06:28:45,040 --> 06:28:49,040
Now you may go okay but why do you need to raise money because you get lots of money from the federal government?

4317
06:28:49,040 --> 06:28:51,040
Absolutely we do.

4318
06:28:51,040 --> 06:28:57,040
But our funds do not help in the ways that we need to help with these folks.

4319
06:28:57,040 --> 06:29:03,040
It doesn't provide things like entrepreneurial boot camps which is what we're going to do with the military spouses.

4320
06:29:03,040 --> 06:29:09,040
It doesn't provide a summer program or even not in summer time.

4321
06:29:09,040 --> 06:29:14,040
But a program for the youth that are over our income requirements that we normally have.

4322
06:29:14,040 --> 06:29:20,040
So military families they don't meet all of our criteria in order to be funded under our funding stream.

4323
06:29:20,040 --> 06:29:22,040
So this is why we're doing this.

4324
06:29:22,040 --> 06:29:32,040
We also know that 30% of military spouses ages 18 to 24 and that's both men and women are more.

4325
06:29:32,040 --> 06:29:40,040
They have a 30% I'm sorry unemployment rate compared to civilians with a 6.5% unemployment rate.

4326
06:29:40,040 --> 06:29:49,040
So this is a population that we need to get employed here in Brevard County and we need to get them back to work so that they can contribute to our economy.

4327
06:29:49,040 --> 06:29:52,040
So that's what I'm here to ask you about.

4328
06:29:52,040 --> 06:29:54,040
Thank you for playing the little video.

4329
06:29:54,040 --> 06:29:59,040
You can see that curdlement night is on our side and helping us with all of this.

4330
06:30:00,000 --> 06:30:09,000
It is available for folks to look us up on crowdrise.com and it's jump start from military families and they can find us that way.

4331
06:30:09,000 --> 06:30:14,000
And that's really on here for, and to thank you guys once again for all of your support.

4332
06:30:14,000 --> 06:30:15,000
Thank you.

4333
06:30:15,000 --> 06:30:18,000
I'm good luck with the program.

4334
06:30:18,000 --> 06:30:28,000
I am going to do my model swam song today, being a last full of commission meeting, and it's been eight years.

4335
06:30:28,000 --> 06:30:31,000
And we're going to cue up a little video.

4336
06:30:31,000 --> 06:30:38,000
My good friends, Brant Ronat, had done this for me as a little review when I ran eight years ago.

4337
06:30:38,000 --> 06:30:42,000
My philosophy was to build roads.

4338
06:30:42,000 --> 06:30:49,000
And so in this little clip we'll see if I was able to succeed and what I said I was going to do.

4339
06:30:49,000 --> 06:30:51,000
Is it ready to run?

4340
06:30:58,000 --> 06:31:00,000
Thank you.

4341
06:31:28,000 --> 06:31:30,000
Thank you.

4342
06:31:58,000 --> 06:32:00,000
Thank you.

4343
06:32:28,000 --> 06:32:30,000
Thank you.

4344
06:32:58,000 --> 06:33:00,000
Thank you.

4345
06:33:28,000 --> 06:33:30,000
Thank you.

4346
06:33:58,000 --> 06:34:17,000
It's too late to bring up the funding on roads again.

4347
06:34:17,000 --> 06:34:27,000
Well, we had started out saying it was going to be the five shades of Mary with the five aircolors, but then when they started doing the research now.

4348
06:34:27,000 --> 06:34:42,000
There's eight years like different colors anyway, and then as I watched it when they before we was put on a go, oh my gosh actually we should go through it again watch Andy.

4349
06:34:42,000 --> 06:34:44,000
On that particular one.

4350
06:34:44,000 --> 06:34:49,000
In needless to say, I want to thank everyone who is assisting me through my years of eight years.

4351
06:34:49,000 --> 06:34:56,000
I do have the audience here, Jan Conrad, who graciously worked for me until she finally said, okay I'm moving on.

4352
06:34:56,000 --> 06:35:06,000
And Pat Woodard here, and Molly, I have Tommy Redmond work for me, and when he said he was done, he went to New York.

4353
06:35:06,000 --> 06:35:22,000
He was definitely getting out of town, but in Marcia, Newl, she went to Tattisville actually I just considered my office have been a training ground for people who want to go out and do work in management offices.

4354
06:35:22,000 --> 06:35:31,000
I can't say enough about everybody here.

4355
06:35:31,000 --> 06:35:35,000
Okay, any other business before the board.

4356
06:35:36,000 --> 06:35:39,000
Hearing none, Jan.

4357
06:35:39,000 --> 06:35:40,000
Thank you.

4358
06:35:44,000 --> 06:35:54,000
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4359
06:35:54,000 --> 06:35:59,000
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4360
06:35:59,000 --> 06:36:09,000
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4361
06:36:09,000 --> 06:36:14,000
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4362
06:36:39,000 --> 06:36:49,000
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