>>> board of county commissioners acts
as a quasi-judicial body when it hears requests
for rezoning and conditional
use permits. Applicants must provide competent,
substantial
evidence establishing facts, or expert witness
opinion testimony showing that the
request meets the zoning
code and comprehensive plan criteria. Opponents
must also testify as to facts. The
board must
then decide whether the evidence demonstrates
consistency and compatibility with
the comprehensive plan and the existing
rules in the zoning ordinance, property
adjacent to the
property to be rezoned, and the actual
development of the surrounding area. The
board
cannot consider speculation, non-expert
opinion testimony, or poll the
audience by asking those in favor
or opposed to stand
up or raise their hands. If a commissioner
has had communications regarding a rezoning
or conditional use permit
request before the board, the commissioner must
disclose the subject of the communication and
the
identity of the person, group, or
entity with
whom the communication took place
before the board takes action on the request. Like
wise if the commissioner has made
a site visit, inspection, or investigation, the
commissioner must disclose that fact
before
the board takes action on the request. Each
applicant is
allowed a total of 15 minutes to present their
request unless
time is extended by the majority
vote of the board. The applicant may
reserve any portion of
15 minutes for rebus tat. Speakers
may not pass their time to someone
else
in order to give that person more time to speak.
>> good evening
and welcome to the zoning meeting
on july 11, 2024. I'd like to call
the
meeting to order. I'd like to
start with a moment of
silence. If we could, I'm not sure
if all of you know, but former commissioner
nancy higgs has passed away. I'd like
you
to keep that in mind for her family. Let's
have
a moment of silence.
okay, thank you so much. Let's stand for the pledge.
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america
and to the republic for which it stands
one nation
under god indivisible with liberty and justice for
all.
okay, thank
you so very much. I'm not sure, we've
got a couple of different announcements
we need to make on some of the agenda items. But
before we get started, we had to cut
our meeting short the other night,
tuesday night,
and I had something that I needed
to get
done as a request from the board,
and that was I'm traveling to washington,
d.c. With a group of 10 to 12 people on
the
brightline station, and I need the
permission
of the board to travel. Would somebody
--
>>
so moved.
>> a motion by
commissioner pritchett. Second by
commissioner
tobia. Any discussion? All in favor
signify by saying aye?
>>
aye.
>> all opposed nay? Thank you very much.
let's go right into the
public comments, and we will go to
h1, and
jeff, go ahead,
man.
>>
thank you, suzanne
cook, request for
a permit. Tax account number
2431745 located in district two. Mr. Chair,
I wanted to point out during
the planning and zoning board
meeting, june 10, I mistakenly quoted
the code
of saying that the cup runs
with the ownership,
however, that's incorrect. It runs
with the land. There is
criteria for a guesthouse and one
of that criteria
is that
the guesthouse cannot
be rented out or used for short-term rental.
>>
okay,
is
ms cook here? Suzanne, please.
>> I'm suzanne
cook. The main problem was that we had just
a
few square feet short of an
acre that was necessary. I do understand
that I can't rent it out, and
I have mentioned that casually to
the fact that the economy is bad, and
they asked
me had I changed my mind, and I said
certainly. I said
I'll just sell the property if
I
can't pay the bills. That doesn't
bother me.
so the bottom line, that's it.
>>
okay, thank you
so much. Commissioner goodson,
do you have any comments?
>> the only
comment I
would have. As long as she understands
all the conditions, I
have no problems with it. And you
do
understand all the conditions?
>> yes, yes, sir.
>> would
you give us a motion, commissioner?
>>
yes, I
would like for the approval
and acceptance of this motion
or this h1, yeah, h1, please.
>> is there
a second?
>> second. >> any
discussion? All in favor?
>> aye. >>
all opposed,
nay? The motion carries. Thank you
so very much.
>> thank you.
>> now jeff --
>> mr. Chair, I think
maybe commissioner goodson, do
you want to say something on h2 before
we start?
>> on h2, I'd like to make a motion
to continue
the public hearing on this until november 7,
giving the
developer a chance to go back to the
residence and see if he could
come to a resolution of some sort
that you're
accepting with. I understand you're
saying no, but
let's give
them 120 days. That's the motion.
>>
is
there a second to that?
>> jeff, do
you want
to say something first?
>> okay. >> hold
on, please. Just hold on.
was there a second? Hearing no
second to the motion, it fails. Let's
go
in had to jeff, please.
>>
thank you, mr. Chair. Item h2 is frank
mastroianni, requests
a change of
zoning classification from
bu-1
and ru-2-10 to pud. Application numbers
23pud00001, tax account number
is 2600118. Located
in district two.
>> yes, ma'am, go
ahead.
>> we already
turned in all of our public records
that I
heard, except I did get
a phone call today from miss debbie mayfield, mentioning
the time limit that she had
a concern being 120 days. I have to
go ahead
and let everyone know I heard
from ms
mayfield.
>> mr. Chair,
also regarding application
23pud00001 on july 11, the zoning
--I spoke with mr. Michael via phone
today, did not have time
to put it in the call. It lasted approximately
five minutes, during which we discussed
his opposition to the item. Again,
I did not have time to submit
that since it happened today.
>> yes,
I've
got a question.
>> yes, sir? >> if
we can't
give people an opportunity to go back,
they're very aware of
the fact that they will probably
not get what they requested. But we can't
even allow them to have
open discussions again to see if they
can come to some resolution?
>> okay.
please do not do this tonight, okay. I
know
everybody is uptight and concerned,
so we're going to get there this
and do it in an adult fashion, and
no talking from the audience. I would
very much appreciate that. Thank you so very much.
commissioner,
if you'd like to try your motion one
more time, try your motion one more time.
>> well, yes, I
would like to try the motion again. To
give
them the opportunity to go back and
work with these people and
come back. They're going to come through the
same process. They're going to
have to come back to planning and
zoning with a new
idea if it
is acceptable to the people.
>> is there
a second?
>> just a quick question. I don't think that
motion, if we table it until that
had date, I don't think that motion
proceeds going
back to planning and zoning. There
is no necessity to go back to
planning and zoning.
>> wouldn't they
go back? I'm
sorry, mr. Chairman?
>> yes, sir. If
they come
up with a different zoning criteria
for a number
of units, would they not have to go back
for
approval to zoning for that? I don't
know, you tell me.
>> mr. Chair? >> yes, sir, go
ahead.
>> if I was looking at this,
I would
make that extremely
clear in the motion, and
just --I looked at that,
august 14 is the zoning meeting before
that
with a deadline of august 2 of submittal
to make that november 7 date
just for clarity sake. But you know,
it's probably better
for staff if that was actually put
into the motion. I'm not
saying I'm willing
to go there. I'm just saying that
I certainly wouldn't vote for
it to come back here without having
to
go to planning and zoning again.
>>
you would not?
>> I
would not.
>> yeah, I agree. I would not either.
>> there is a motion on the floor. Is
there a second? Commissioner
pritchett, will you take the floor,
please?
>> yes, sir. >>
I'm
going
to second your motion. Discussion. So
commissioner pritchett, may I have the floor, please?
I intend
to hear everybody tonight that's here. So
you're not
going to come in here. It's not fair
for
you to come out here in vain. But I'd
like
to get this motion passed, and then
we've got a couple
of very quick zoning items that can
be done,
and we can spend whatever time is necessary, so
that you can pour your heart
out in regards to your request.
I don't know whether this will
pass or not.
>> can I ask a
question just for clarification here? Are
the applicants
here tonight?
>> oh yeah, they're
here, I believe.
>>
is michael the applicant?
>> no, no.
mr. Chair?
>> yes? >> for the audience
who
showed up for this item, first of all thank
you for showing up. Second
is of all, I greatly apologize to
you
guys. You got a notice that it would happen
today, and you know, there was tabling,
so you took time
out of your busy schedule. I completely get that.
and
I really appreciate you guys participating. Here
is where we
are, and I think staff could probably explain
this a
little bit better. We have a couple
of options today. We
can outright deny this. But here is
the problem
with outright denying so you understand. That
might be a temporary victory, but
we
can turn to staff, but code would
allow them to file the
exact
same
thing six months from now.
I
don't know what the best one is, but
understand
no matter what decision we make today, unless
it's
an outright thumbs up, and I'll tell
you right now, there's no way
in god's green earth that I'll do
an outright thumbs up,
which I shouldn't say before the applicant
speaks. But my
understanding they weren't coming here. That's
the box we're in. If I'm going
to support this to be very clear,
it needs to go, in
my opinion, through planning and zoning
again
if there are substantial changes to
give
you guys
an extra opportunity to engage
there and then engage as you have
with us
after that planning and zoning. That's
the wonderful thing that we get to
hear
what they have to say and then we
get
to hear what the neighbors have to
hear. So keep that in
mind. Those are our two options that we
who have to
the best of my knowledge.
>> can I
ask
one more question to his point? If
I understand
that we're potentially considering
a four-month
delay or a six-month delay
tonight they can
come back in six
months? Jeffrey, is that correct?
>>
so
if the application is denied, we have
a
provision in our code
that requires a six-month time
frame before they submit another
application of similar requests.
>>
okay. A motion tonight, I'm
sorry. A motion tonight to delay
this for 120 days and then they
could start the process all over again six
months
from now. Does that seem like what
we're down to?
>>
yes, sir.
>> okay, commissioner pritchett, may
I have the
floor, please?
>> the reason
I'm
doing this is because there
was -- [ inaudible ] the
motion or the e-mail was sent
out to people at indian river isles
in the area saying this
was going to be continued. So I
don't believe it's
fair not to
have the full contingent. So I'm not
sure
whether 120-day continuation is the
best way to go or a table
is the best way to go
because I don't feel comfortable
with them not having the number of people here.
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>> the
local planning and zoning board to
start that process over again.
>> yes,
sir, application would be considered
new and it would come back through.
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>>
maybe they can't. So if they don't,
then
they can refile six months. That's
all I'm trying to do. Trying
to get
somebody to work together.
>> commissioner? >>
commissioner goodson, would you consider
a friendly amendment to table?
>>
sure. Given how long?
>>
until the next zoning meeting.
>>
until the
next zoning meeting?
>> the problem
with that, they're
only allowed one table.
>> okay,
well, this would be their one table.
>>
but then there wouldn't be time for
revisions or anything like that and they're talking massive.
mr. Chair, I think we
are --I think the audience is probably
here, and I think
we're probably, we're going around
in circles. We're all
on the same page. Commissioner goodson
was pretty close
there in the beginning. I made it
very
clear to anyone who has called where
I was on this one.
and I didn't understand that
you
are in favor of
that. I think with can table this
and require planning and zoning
on august 14 with a
submittal date. And that is going
to get
us there, requires, gives the audience
an
opportunity to engage us, engage planning
and zoning
and
all
that and allows this board
to this board. Is that your motion?
>>
yes.
>> commissioner, do you want
to take the floor?
>> I'm sorry. So
we have a motion on the floor, it's been seconded.
all in favor, signify
by saying aye?
>> aye. >> all
opposed?
>> didn't we just make a motion to table?
>> do we need to hear about
it? Should we hear
the cards first?
>> we're going to hear
from the audience. We're going to
hear from those people. But we
can do this. And here is my issue. I've
got three or four little tiny zoning
issues
in front of them that will keep these
people here for hours.
>> I'm
sorry, table this until after we
go the other items. I'm sorry, I assumed
it
was for a later date. I apologize.
>>
I know, it's confusing.
but just bare with me.
>> okay, we'll
move
them to the end.
>> right. Thank you,
I'm sorry.
>> that's all right.
and real quickly, we'll put you
on hold for just a minute
and then
we're going to get to the ones I know
will be relatively quick.
>>
mr. Chair, if I may. Because it is
contemplated that the
applicant is going to come back
with a substantially revised plan
and go through pnz and come to
this board again with a significant
lapse in
time and because the applicant isn't here
tonight,
it could create a really
muddy record if we receive testimony
tonight when the applicant
is not here to ask questions to the
witnesses
and those kinds of things. It could
create
record problems in the future. I understand
and feel for the folks who are out
here tonight and want to be heard,
it is probably
in the best interest of everyone if
they're heard at the time the board
is actually going to make the decision
based on the application
that's submitted at that time. If
you want to hear them tonight in
regards to the application knowing
that this particular application likely
isn't going anywhere, you can do that.
but
it could create a confused record.
>>
I
certainly got
a confused chairman right now.
>>
typically
when the item continued, you don't
receive testimony from the
public at the meeting at which it
is continued. Although if you
want to hear from these folks because
they didn't know and went
through the effort to come out, you may.
but in all likelihood whatever testimony goes
on
the record tonight will be irrelevant
to the application that's considered in november.
>> commissioner
pritchett?
>> thank you, mr. Chair. Just
a question. I know with
what we have right now, it is not
going
to, I don't think it will get passed. So
maybe it would be
wise to hear from the applicant to
see if
he has some very substantial changes
that is even worth continuing it if
they would be willing to do it. I
don't
know. That is just a request to let things
be
solved now, I don't know.
>> okay.
>>
what is your thought?
>> if the applicant is available to
speak
to that, then my understanding, I
thought I
heard the applicant wasn't here although
I saw
someone moving forward.
>> I believe
landy is here, correct? Are you the applicant?
>> yes. >> so you're available to speak?
>> okay.
>> if we could, please,
I really would like to just get
these other folks out of the way,
so we can go there. I
would like to have a
temporary hold on this for
discussion purposes and move forward.
so we're coming back to you as soon
as I get done with these and
let these people get out, so we can
have full discretion and disclosure on this issue.
all right. Let me call up kim rezanka. Kim.
this is on h3.
yes, sir?
>>
jeff, I'm sorry.
>> mr. Chair. Let
me read the
items h3 and h4 into
the record. Companion applications. You
can discuss them together, but
you need separate motions. Item h4
is jen florida
48, llc, requests a small-scare comprehensive
plan amendment to change
the future land use designation from res 1:2.5 and res 1
to res 4, application number
23ss00022. Tax
account number is 3000365 and
3000569. Located in district five. The
applicant is
requesting two waivers. The
waivers are for, to
exempt from 621448g requiring the designation
of an outdoor parking area to
create travel and camping trailers
and vehicles, boats,
boat trailers and other similar vehicles. The
other waiver that's
being requested is from section 62-1446,
d3b to allow residential structures
two stories or less and minimum building separation
at 10 feet rather than 15 feet.
the agenda report, mr. Chair and commissioners
have conditions
for the board to consider and
that is on the agenda
report as well. Number one
is
a total number that should
not
exceed thinker approval of 62.14-46. Requesting
a waiver from
section 6214, 46d3b. And prior to
county approval of construction plans
and preliminary
plat developership that the city of
pom
bay will approve the
project in access connection to babcock
street
and determine adequate water
and sewer service will
be available to the issue. And
during pnz,
the applicant provided a revised
plan that showed 44-foot locks that's
not being redirect
examination at this time. Thank you.
>> okay.
>> thank you, rim. I'm kim
rezanka. I'm
here
with the developer sunterra's
owner zip, which is g,
, and planner justice
anderson if
you have any questions. Changing future
land use
with
an agreement to limit three utes and
snow
sufficient open space, sufficient
buffers, protection of wetlands
as required by county
code. We do have a presentation, however,
all the
information was in the minutes. We can go
through it if you would like or
if you have any questions, I
believe that was all straightforward. Pnz
recommended approval of both items and
would ask approval of the changes
future land use and the pud with
the conditions as stated.
>> I don't
believe we
have any cards
in opposition to this.
oh boy.
>> with that, we'll
hear
the objections and then I'll respond.
>> good evening, sandra sullivan. So I
just want
to read from
the staff report first. Centralized
portable water
and sanitary sewer service is currently
not
available to the subject
property. The applicant has represented these
services
will be provided by
the city of palm bay, but they have
not
provided these service. I want to
go
to state
statute, florida's growth policy act, sections
163.2511-1632.2520 of the florida
statutes, collectively known
as the growth policy act. A key takeaway
from
the policy act is the importance of
con currency. Con
currency as you
know is provisions, requiring that certain
infrastructure be in place
before
any new development is permitted. Portable
drinking
water and waste treatment facilities. So it
says
it's up to
the local government to implement
such requirements or
to via, any way, in advance. There seems
to be
a lot of this lately where there
is no sewage or way to pay for
it and one comment was made
here on the other
item. The sooner we will be able
to pay for it. Thank you.
>> real quickly.
jeff. Do we not
have
a letter from the city of palm bay
on it this issue?
>> we do, we do
have a letter from the
city saying they are going to provide
water and sewer.
>> and that the developer
is going to
pay for that to come down? Is that
my understanding?
>> that they would
have to pay for
those services.
>> thank you. >> and
that is correct. Palm bay has said
they will provide wastewater, portable water,
fire flows, and
also to address con currency
going forward
into the florida statutes 163.182o
as the fair share, put into
place by the legislature just for
this purpose, so the developer does pay
for the growth. With that I would
request
that you approve these two items.
>> mr. Chair?
>> yes? >> and isn't is
also true that you
would not get a certificate of
occupancy unless they have water
and sewer?
>> that's correct. There
is a condition on the pud that had
says water and sewer need to
be available prior to issuance.
>> we
have spent months on making sure
all these t it's were crossed
and the I's
were dotted. Anymore --is there a
motion? And
it is my district.
>> I will make
a motion
for you.
>> motion to approve items h3 and h4.
>>
he wants them separate.
>> I make
a
motion to approve item h3.
>> is there a second? >> second.
>> any
discussion? All in favor?
>> aye. >>
all opposed? The
motion carries. Let's go to h4.
>>
make a
motion to approve
item h4.
>> second. >> with the conditions that were mentioned.
>> okay. Any discussion?
I
would like to get back to
these patient people
over here. Okay, you're up.
>> 2002219, 2002228,
2002229, 2002230, 2002231,
2002232 located in district one. The
applicant has requested a continuance
to
the september 5 board meeting.
>> for the planning and zoning and that
would be the september 5
board of county commissioners meeting. That's
for
item h6 as well.
>> okay.
we have a
motion to continue, correct?
>> yes,
sir, I'd like to table it
to september 5 zoning meeting.
>>
is there a sect on
that? That is not
you guys. I'll
second.
>> any opposition
or discussion? All opposed? I do have
a card here
on h5 I believe from
sandra sullivan. Are you going to
waive that? Thank you very much
for your cooperation on that, I appreciate
it. The applicants if nay
could come up and sit here,
so we -- on h2.
>> I'm going to table
item 7 and 8 too if I may, soon.
>> okay, go ahead.
>> okay. H7 and h8, you have to readvertise. Would
you like
to read it first or do I need
to ask him to table?
>>
so item h7 and 8 will be readvertised. There
is
an issue with the application. So
this one would be continued not to
a date
center because we're readvertising.
>>
okay, I make a motion
to table.
>> is there a second?
>> all
in favor?
>> aye. >> okay, now I promise we're on you.
kevin?
>> I'm sorry, mr. Chair.
I thought that the motion on h5
included h6 as well to continue those. The
clerk
didn't hear
that. Was h6 included?
>> yes. >> yeah. I
don't want to have my
mistakes to come back on. So thanks,
morris. I
appreciate it very much. What
do you need clarification on? It is
the same item.
>>
september
5 for both items.
>>
correct. Okay, kevin fox,
where
are you? Come on up. We are back on h2.
>> sorry,
I apologize. What do we start out
with? I don't know the protocol. I'm
not the presenter.
>> you're
here to discuss the zoning request?
>>
you're in opposition
to it, you have a red shirt on. Go
ahead.
>> I apologize to that. And I'm here to represent the north homeowners association.
I'd like to point
out the
hazard area.
>> I'm sorry. Did
you have a
question? I'm sorry, sir.
>> is this
us
securing the item? I want to understand
what where she done.
>> the
board announced a contention to continue
this and it has been made clear
that it will come back in
a different form and go through prior. My
recommendation would be
for the board not to hear testimony on
the item
tonight because that testimony is
all going to change. It is going to
create a confused record. While I
understand these folks are out tonight,
anything they say
tonight won't be relevant and the
board can't consider it when
it is considering the future application.
so if you want
to allow them to speak
their peace because they're here, they
may b nothing
said tonight will likely be jermaine
or be able to
be considered when this is ultimately
heard by the
board. >> we only have a few cards,
so you're recognizing this is not going
to go on the public record in regards
to? You're going to have to come back
at
the continuation.
>> I'm confused.
I thought you were going to talk to
them first and
after they spoke, then
we would speak.
>> stop
over there, please. No, ma'am, please. We
can handle this. We're
big people here. We can have a conversation, thank
you. So first
what I'm telling you is that this
is going to be continued
to another date. I said to
everybody that I still wanted to
allow the people that are here to
speak,
so they did not
make
an unnecessary trip. Mr. Richardson
said we can do that or we
could just send you all home without saying
anything and then you'll have to come back any way.
what I'm trying to do
is give you the opportunity if you
are against this to spike tonight,
but you still need to come back when
we have our next meeting.
>>
I thought if you voted it no, they can't
come back for six months or it is
a four months. I thought you were
going to discuss that and
make your decision. That is my confusion
as of right now if you're going to
do
that tact and talk to the developer if
they
won't have a substantial plan. That's
the confusion for me.
>>
I mean the developer is welcome to
say something,
but once again, this will be continued. And
so all of this stuff
is going to be for not. The only reason
that
I stopped this tonight is I didn't want you
walking out of
here without having the opportunity from driving all
it this
way to be able to say something about this if
you would
like to. If you don't want to and
you all want to go
home and eat some dinner and stuff
like
that, that's fine with us too.
>>
myself I believe there's letters
we've written that will stand for
themselves
because it won't be pertinent. And
that is the way I understand it now listening to the attorney.
I can just stop. You know
we're in opposition to it and at
the present land use level. I'll say
it, 17 units per acre.
>>
okay, we are trying to be fair
to both sides and I think we're in
good shape now
and there are other people.
>> go ahead. >>
sorry, one quick question. Are you in
favor of the
six months or four months?
>> I would
say the six months. I mean the four months then.
>> I thought you were going to discuss
that,
so we could better understand it. I
don't know all the
ins and outs of this, so I
thought you were going to
come talk to the developer.
>> I get
it. And I appreciate it. This is just
new
for us and that someone
tabled that late. So I apologize. This is
just that we
got thrown a curveball and I appreciate that
and the chair has done a good job
of trying to.
>> I don't want other
people coming back
when they did not have that opportunity. The reason
I wanted to continue it in the first
place is because of
the notice that was sent out that stopped people from coming.
>> yes, sir. >> it
could have potentially hurt the developer also.
and so all
of a sudden we get into a lawsuit that
said
well, what happened here? What happens
here is that somebody sent out
a notice, they didn't show up, and
now we've got
a big mess.
>> yes, sir. >> and I
want
to cross our t's and dot our I's if
it's going to be killed or not. Whatever.
>> can you give us the dates again?
>> yes, planning
and zoning and all that.
>> we will. Hold on.
hold on.
>> I was trying to determine where
the
commission was going to land. Would
you
pull the commission and see if they
are apt to sending
it back to pnz
and coming back on the 7th.
>> you
wanty me
to poll the commission on where they
stand on the
issue?
>> on whether or not we're agreeable
to table to the 7th.
>> that's
fine with me.
>> okay. >> where do
you stand?
>> yeah, I
have to clarify. I got yelled at. So
let me change the dates because this
is very important and I
move
to approve the application
number 23pud00001 to the
november 7 commission zoning meeting
and
under the within that it
is reheard
on october 14 of 2024
and that would
require the
party to do so
by august second. And it will be on
november 7 and I apologize for getting
those dates wrong the
first time. Kevin, are you okay now?
>> I didn't understand.
>> hold on. >> and I
got it, guys.
>> I'm asking him to
hold on.
>> I'm calling you.
>> thank you. Okay.
>> question, yes, sir.
it is 52 units you
said, right?
>> how many acres? >>
per lot you mean?
>> how many
acres per total?
>>
half of 52, so everybody is about half
an acre if you count the canals.
>>
thank you,
sir. Thank you, chair.
>> certainly.
and let's continue
with the polls.
>> okay. >> that's
good. And I'm in agreement with that too. Where
are you with
this poll?
>> I'm okay
to continuing it to his motion.
>>
all right, so we are all in agreement with that.
all in
favor of the continuation signify
by saying
aye?
>> aye. >>
all opposed nays? The motion carries. Was
there something else that you need
to say? No, please do.
okay, wow.
this is fun. All right.
so the reason this was done
is to be
in complete fairness to everybody. I
apologize
that we did this tonight, but
I don't think that we had a choice. So
thank you all for
coming, we appreciate it very
much. I'm certain you'll
be hearing from the developer or mr. Fox and
other
people. So thank
you for coming
this evening. All right, let's
move on. Where are we?
>>
my record is that we need to start
on item
h9.
>> thank you, jeff. I appreciate
it. Go ahead,
jeff.
>> h9 and h10 are companion applications. I'll
read them into the record.
you'll need separate motions for
each. Item h9 is alexis dejesus
and rosemary dejesus and brandon dejesus
request
a small-scale comprehensive plan amendment 24s.07
from cc and
nc to all cc. Application number
24ss00007. Tax account number
is 2102561 located in
district 1. And item h10 is alexis
dejesus, rosemary dejesus,
and brandon dejesus request a request
a change of zoning classification from bu-1
and au to all bu-2. Application
number 24z00021, tax account number
2102561. Located in district 1. A
part of the
planning and the zoning recommendation
for the zoning
application was to submit a bdp to
restrict the uses for all
one uses and the
sale of automobile and
mobile homes
with a
six-foot wall along the
--I'm sorry,
along the eastbound including any
residential
use. I wanted to put on the record
if the
board approves the request, then the
next up would
be the site plan process, where the applicant
would work with an engineer to make sure
that what the code will
require that is in place before the actual
use of the property will take place.
>> thank you, sir. Applicants are here.
I have a request. Love your application.
but I don't like concrete walls.
usually natural resources works with me on another avenue.
so I'm going to have
mr. Jeffrey read a recommendation that I
have if you would do this, I think
it would be a great
project. Binding development plan. So
he's
going to read it. It's pretty much
what you're wanting to do, but
just kind of protects it.
>> I'm here for the warming.
>> okay, yes,
please.
>>
and so the proposed conditions -- [
inaudible ] would restrict
the uses to
all bu-1 uses and only mobile home sales
from the bu-2
zoning district and prohibit access to contrary road.
>> that's
good.
>> I thought you would be
good with it.
>> that's perfect.
>>
commissioner, a couple quick questions. One,
the staff, is
there still an open code enforcement violation
on this
property?
>>
it is
my
understanding that -- [ inaudible ]
>>
and as long as we don't have to put
up
a wall, yes.
>> absolutely,
go ahead. The sale of mobile homes.
[ inaudible ]
required information that is required
to support that use. And just because
they approve the use today. If the
board approved that, that will have
to come
back and the subsequents planned would need
to be approved today.
>> you can not
go selling homes tomorrow.
>> I understand there's a procedure.
>> thank you, sir. Good catch.
>> okay, so you got it. You
understand where we are?
>> yes. >>
do we have a motion?
>>
what kind of
boundaries are in questioning here? Shrubs,
fence?
>> let me say this to you real quick.
you're going
to need to develop a binding development plan. It's going
to
have to be submitted to planning
and zoning and they
will approve it and you can go forward
and they will talk
about everything else that you
need to think about. And that's it
and
you
need to get a bdp.
>> but you will
be in agreement with this. You just
said so. And
as they work
through that, they will bring back
other abilities to comply with all
the things you need
to
comply with.
>> that's fine. >> okay. Let's
see if
we can get a motion.
>> I make
a motion to approve item h9.
>>
is there a second?
>>
second.
>> any discussion? Hearing
no discussion. All in
favor?
>> aye. All opposed? Motion
carries.
>> I make
a motion to
approve item h10.
>>
is there a
second? And any
discussion? All in favor?
>>
aye. Motion carries. You're good to
go for tonight.
>>
that's it, thank you
so much.
>> once we put together a development plan,
we have to get it approved
through zoning and then we have to
come in front of the board again?
>> hold on, you'll
be able to talk to planning and zoning and that handsome fellow over there.
>> all right,
thank you. Thank you,
guys.
>> talk to george.
>> commissioner steele? My apology. I
believe we
had a motion on h9, but we also need
a motion on h10.
>> I did both.
>> we did both. >> I'm
sorry.
>> that's right. >>
just so the clerk knows on h9 and
h10, you got that? Okay, cool. We're good.
>> and the motion for 10 included
the bpd with those conditions.
>> okay.
>> commissioner pritchett? >> thank
you. You guys are clear
on that. Okay,
thank you. H11, jeffrey?
>> item h44 is
put it in me storage,
llc, requests a small-scale comprehensive
plan amendment
24s.04
from industrial to commercial. Application
number 24ss00004, tax account numbers
2322557 located in district one.
>> okay.
the applicant
is here. Come on up, please.
>> I
was going to
make a motion to approve it.
>> and
go ahead.
>> I'm sorry. Sir, I didn't
catch
your name or the company?
>> I did
not give it
yet. My name is vaheed teimouri.
>> okay. I'm
here to answer any questions.
>> I
didn't
catch the company name.
>>
timori and associates.
>> I'm sorry.
I make a motion
to approve item h11.
>> I second it.
>> any discussion? There is
a motion by commissioner pritchett.
seconded by commissioner goodson.
no discussion. Signify by
saying aye. The motion carries.
>> thank you.
>>
okay. We are moving now. H12,
this is me.
>> item h12, richard jones requests
a
change of zoning classification
from gu to ru-1-9, application number 24z00006,
tax account number is 2716623, located in district 5.
>> mr. Jones here? >> yes.
>> come on up, young man.
I just want you to know
that in the event they have any questions that
I would like
to open up the floor.
>> and
make a
motion
to approve.
>> seconded by commissioner tobia. Any discussion? All
in favor?
>> aye. >>
all opposed? Motion carries, you're
good to go.
>> all right.
>> all right, h13. Jamine
kent. Go ahead.
>>
item
h13 is jamine kent, carlene sapp-kent,
jermaine kent,
request the
classification from au to
ru-1-11. Application number 23z00013,
tax account number
2103548, located in district one.
>>
commissioner?
>> I make
a motion to approve item h13.
>> second.
>>
there is a motion on the floor,
seconded by commissioner tobia. Is
there any discussion? Hearing no
discussion, signify by saying
aye. The
motion carries,
you're good to go
>> it's
the community ink, requesting the
classification from in
l to ru-2-15, application
number 24z00014, tax account number 2501136, located in district two.
so mr. Chair and
commissioners, there is an error with
the planning and zoning approval. The
vote should have
been 8-1 with the recommendation of approval.
>> okay.
the applicants are here. Bruce, I
guess you're representing them? >> yes, sir.
>> it looks like we're going to have
a little bit of a discussion on this, so
you might as
well make your presentation.
>> yes,
thank you very much. Good evening, commissioners.
mr. Chairman, my
name is bruce moia, representing the applicant.
very
excited to be here today to present
this project
to you. This would be possibly the second one
that we
would do should it
be approved. This is
a model for housing children that
are
coming out of foster care. So when
they get kicked out
on their 18th birthday with nowhere
to go, they're planning on
building a facility to take these
kids in, teach
them how to earn a living, train them
on how to be
a productive member of society.
so we own
the construction on the first model in
melbourne. Very well
received by the city. And it
is affordable housing for these kids. So
we
are trying
to do this again here. Very low impact
because most of these kids don't drive. They will
be following
all the rules of the county. There's
some issues about floodplain,
which is why you guys
have such strict rules about
developing in the floodplain, so we
will be abiding by those requirements. But
in order
to do this, we have to change
the zoning to a multi-family zoning. And what we
will be doing
is we will be bringing utilities to this
property
because currently it is on septic
and we'll be putting
it on sewer.
>> okay. >> so if you
have any
questions, we'll be happy to answer
them.
>> okay, who is katherine?
okay.
you have a card here
that basically says, are you here
to answer
questions? You want to make comments is what
you would like to do? Okay,
that's fine. I was just confused by
the card. All right, bruce,
let's sit down for a second and we'll
call the cards
up. Katherine, come on up.
>> I've never done
this before, so you will have to forgive
me.
>> I haven't either.
>> yes, you've been around for a while. I've
been here for 59 years. I recognize all the names.
any
way I just, I'm opposed to it
because it's going to create a big
problem with the junior high school,
we have this going up
across the street. We have tons of
traffic now as it is,
and then I understand this attractive
homes
are going up also? I was
told it was 43
homes besides the housing
for the kids. So I don't know.
>> ma'am, you
have to address the board, okay. You
can't turn around.
>> I don't
know much about it, I was just brought
into this right now.
>>
we're fine with you. But being a person
that
lives on that street, I just see
a tremendous amount of problems there. There's
problems
now. So that is my concern.
>> all
right, your
comments have been noted.
>> okay,
good. Thank you so much. Allen, commissioner
goodson?
>> ma'am, ma'am.
>>
oh, I'm sorry.
>> where do you live? What
street?
>> on banana boulevard. Which
is right where
all of this is going to go on. The
church is
there and then that property south.
>>
north of there.
>> you
live on the west
side? How far down banana?
>> not
quite
half way.
>> so does
banana tie into tropical trail? Does
banana tie into tropical trail?
>> yes. >> thank you.
>> thank you.
>> do you a question, commissioner? No.
>> all right.
allen, did you want to say
something?
>> yes. Come on up. And
then if
you would be kind enough, I'm going to
give allen and this
other lovely lady's
address, which is 435 banana boulevard. So
allen, go ahead.
>>
yeah, I just got a question. A couple questions.
but
before you give them permission to
build something, do you go
through the flood plan? This is not
for the flood plan and you
know nothing about the flood plan. But if
there is the flood plan, my house
going to get into the danger flood
path
you might say. I just want to know,
you don't add that into consideration. Somebody
does.
>> that's a pretty simple question.
we
go through a thorough analysis of
what's
going to happen with it. They've got
to submit a site plan
to the building
department, the planning department. Those
issues node to
be resolved and talked about. Is that
a good enough answer? Okay. Do
you have anymore to say?
>> not really
except for
the traffic problem. I guess they're
going
to go through and have to figure out where
they will go from the school. They
have a school there. If they are
going to put --I wasn't understand
the impression they would put 43 houses
on three acres of property.
>>
we are not addressing the 43 units,
and I
don't know if that is accurate.
we are addressing this
particular zoning request tonight,
and I don't
know if there are
43 units being applied for not
there. That is speculation at this point.
>>
all right,
thank you very much.
>> I appreciate your comments. Somebody
else, anybody on this side have a comment?
>> tad, were you going to say something? >>
I was going
to say they need to go through the
site
plan after they're throughed with this. And
the proposed, what
where she on our
staff report shows that it will be
a 43 unit development.
>> commissioner goodson? >> thank
you.
>> yes, sir, this might be
to bruce. Are we
talking about 43 houses or 43 apartments. Can
you help
us?
>> yes, sir, it will be 43
units will be the maximum
potential, but we have floodplains
to deal with and wetlands possibly
to deal with.
>> you're not talking
about 43 houses?
>> no, 43 multi-family
units.
>> okay. Explain to
us what is a multi-family unit.
>> it will be like an apartment.
>> okay.
and it wouldn't be single-family homes
where they
would be detached. It will be multi-family.
but the zoning would allow up to
43, but I don't know if we can get
43 by the time
we do retention and all that. We just
need the
zoning, so we could actually put together a plan.
>>
bruce, would you try to get with some
of
these homeowners around and kind of
meet with them a little bit and
show them your plans at some
point?
>> we don't have
a plan we don't even know.
>> oh,
absolutely, yes, sir.
>> will
you be more than happy to meet with
them?
>> yes, sir. >>
okay, that's what I wanted to hear.
>> okay.
thank you.
>> commissioner?
>> thank you. Just for your guys comfort, they're
going
to have to still go through a traffic
study and all
those items as well. So after this,
there is
still a lot of hurdles to get through that,
that will give
you a little comfort.
>> thank you for being here.
>> joe ikenlaub? >> right on the money.
>> there
you go.
>>
how are you doing? Go ahead. You got
a comment
on this issue, go ahead.
>> I want to
congratulate them on
what they're doing for the children
or
young adults, I'm guessing from what
I heard 18 or over possibly.
I don't know
how many number of children or adults are
going
to be in the 43 units in the
area. You just brought up
a good point, rita, that this is
an ongoing thing and a lot of things
need to be addressed. What
I would like to
address of, these two gentlemen back
here
is our
neighborhood that accidentally got
notified that this
was even happening. The
signage, the minimal, looks like a
sad
garage sale sign that you couldn't
read. Nobody in the whole neighborhood of
the beach knew any of this was going on.
we would like
to have the consideration of h2
to have this continued, so we could notify all
the neighbors and get their opinions
and to
have a get together with them and
maybe show up
like the people that they
would
try to do here. Understand what in
janet is trying to do. We would like
to support it and the
school with all the children across
the
street is kind of
a concern
for safety purposes, traffic naturally. And we
would try to get
people to the school buses on banana boulevard
is the main thoroughfare
besides courtney and
tropical trail to get to right here. I
would like to ask if
this could be continued, so
we
could notify the neighbors ourselves, since
you'll
be able to do that for us as requested
and so
that we could have some time to put this
all
together and understand it.
>> okay,
thank you for
your comments. Let me explain to you
that there is a process that
will go on before the zoning will be called on.
we send out notices to everybody and
there are signs that are posted on
the land
and things of that nature. So if you
did
not get
a notice, I'm very surprised. Normally
we don't
do continuation on things unless there
is some sort of confusion in regards
to like what happened here tonight. There
was some confusion in regards to somebody
sending out a notice
saying that the
thing would be continued. I asked
mr. Moia
before he gets into the potential
for site
plan and things of that nature if
he would come meet with
you and he said he would. So that is
the best
that we could do tonight. I don't
believe anybody wants to continue
this tonight?
>> I have a
question.
>> and did we send
out notices in the mail.
>> I believe so. But if you send out the
mailer, you don't know if they receive it or
not, but you make an effort to send
it
out, correct?
>> yes, sir. And
that mailer is a courtesy and it is
above and beyond
what the statue would require.
so the
request is posted on the property. It's
advertised on the county website and
a courtesy notice will
go out.
>> thank you. Okay.
>> do you live within that radius
that you might
not have received it?
>> yes. And
30 other people
that I have notified and told about
this, two of which
got notification and they happen to
be just 500 feet maybe.
>> I got you. >>
from there.
>>
thank you, chair.
>> yes, sir. >>
okay. Thank you
very much for your time tonight.
>>
elizabeth?
>>
okay,
we're getting close here.
>> and I remember
you
and I was here tuesday. I sent you
four
images today and this is the image
of what 500 feet looks like. Barely
12 homes. It's nice that
it is a courtesy. And I sent each
of you a picture of
that sign
that is sitting on the front
of the property. The only
reason that we have people in
this room
tonight because I went door to door and it shouldn't
be my job out there to convey information
to my neighbors, but it is important and
as you can see
by the few that are here, it
san important issue. I requested
a couple of things. When I was here
on tuesday, I gave each
of you a packet. Now inside that
had packet, I don't think
that there were emotional issues. These
are things that
are listed by fema and the
fact that this property is in the
middle
of the high risk area should be a consideration. You're
saying
it's in the 43 houses. That's fine. But
they're
requesting the opportunity for an
ful change that will
put 15 houses per acre.
and I'm just saying when we did the
comp plan back
40 years ago, I'm not sure they
really thought
about the floodplains,
the coastal hazard areas. I have talked
to
john smith and this is not a good
idea really honestly in any shape
or form. I would
love to talk to mr. Moia.
but the thing is in order
to do that, the neighborhoods need
to know that it is
happening. And sorry, I went
home on tuesday with no voice. And it's
an request because on tuesday night,
I was
asked to what end? Why am I here? What
do I want to convey? Number one, I
do not believe in any way that adequate
notice regarding the proposal was provided to
the neighbors or I provided proof and
it
is in all of your e-mails.
>> I know the rules, I'm
sorry. I believe that the relationship with
the
zoning board might
have complicated things. Because you're
willing
to apologize, but the irony is
in the item
that they went through the floodplains
and all the issues with the soils,
whereas in this, it san eight-page
thing that they forgot to
mention that it is a floodplain and
provided pictures of it
in color for you in
e-mail. Please, please, please. I'm not asking
for you to kill it. I would love for
you
to kill it right now. But I'm asking
that it goes back to the board and
that we advertise it correctly. I
would like to see more
people get involved with this. It's not a big ask.
>> you got a minute and 44 seconds left?
>> do
you have any questions? Do you
want me to show you images? And we're
here to listen to you.
>> well actually
I sent
them all information about the insurance and
what is going on
in lee county and what's happening from
fema as we went from a class 7 to
a class
8. We are costing our residents more
in
flood insurance. And if we do not
start to properly manage our floodplains. If
we do not
properly consider what our wetlands
are for. Listen,
wetlands to a barrier island is what
a barrier
island is to the mainland. And it
is a form of protection.
no matter how much you think
you'll put a pond in. It's not going
to do
the same thing as what mother nature is capable of doing.
I hope
you consider it. I'm not telling
you what I think is, this
is what
is, all right? Just readvertise it where
the sign actually
stands up and you can
see it. And do you mind if
I give
you this?
>> no, go ahead. >> okay.
thank
you for your -- I'll submit
this to the clerk. Okay, any discussion from the board?
>> oh my
goodness. Sandra sullivan. How
could I miss you? Come up, please.
>> it is almost like it's
on purpose at this point. Sandra sullivan. Okay,
so as you
know, I'm very passionate about the
barrier island,
I live on it. Our lives depend
on protecting the barrier
island for evacuation. I've come out
here
for
numerous times. This is
a public safety, life safety issue. And
I have
been coming here as you
defer to whose district it is, so
I want to remind you on that
and according
to the studies. We are
56.6 hours, to evacuate the
barrier islands in
a category 5 hurricane. We are lucky
that we have not been hit by
one and we did not get hit by it
and not to say that we won't
get hit
by another one. It's not
if, but when. And to
get off? We have
flooding issues, where some haven't
been able to go and they had to use this road.
and
then I wanted to talk about your
comprehensive plan in not increasing
density on
the coastal high hazard area. I also
want
to read this
article that came out
today. The emergency management agency confirmed,
wait a
second here. Earlier this year, stripping cape coral.
fort myers beach. 25% flood
insurance discounts. Under the
federal flood insurance
program, the county has an agreement
with this federal agency in
order to get discounts. You are suppose
to be protecting the floodplain. You're
suppose to
be. But what I'm seeing is you're not
and
we're going to end up like lee county
where
we're going to be on top of all the other
insurance
crisis that we're dealing with. You're
going
to cause people to suffer more with
even higher increases. And so
not only are you potentially endangering
lives for
evacuation because we cannot get off because
of the growth at 98% capacity
to get off the causeway. But
now the appropriate place
to put kids that are
coming out is on the main lands, and
I also want
to read from the
staff reports on this that
says that the closest management segment to
the subject property is on courtney
parkway between south tropical trail
to
banana boulevard, which has an acceptable
level of service of e.
some
of the people here have discussed
traffic issues
in that area as well. And the key
issue
is the evacuation and not putting
more density on the high
hazard area and to
protect the floodplain as you're required
to do under the flood program.
and that as affordable
housing, they're waiving their impact fees,
and so that will be burden by the people
as well. Thank you.
>>
thank you very much. Mark rosen?
>> good evening.
so
I found out at the last minute because
of
the way your rules work, which I came
-- [ inaudible
] I came from
dade county, born and raised floridian. We
do
things differently there and people participate.
I live on 360
banana boulevard. So I don't know
enough about the floodplains
and all the technicalities, so I'm
not going to pretend to do it, but
I support
it. If they exist, they should be abided by. But
I
can tell you that traffic is a real issue with the schools.
I
can't even get out onto courtney
in the morning
during school sessions on jefferson. You
can
go around or wait for courteous people
a lot
better here than they are in miami. People
line up on banana boulevard from almost
a block and
a half, two blocks. Morning and evening.
now
they're going to
add more congestion to congested area,
which
is a concern to me and a safety hazard. So
I would
say was there any kind of impact
study done to understand what it will
be? And
how that's going to
be safe for people, you know, that
we don't think anyone wants that traffic light.
and due to increased population. That people
and
so has that been considered? And if
it
isn't, would you kindly do
it? Because we live there. And
as people who do. Thank you.
>> paul hoskins?
>> I live on
hibiscus boulevard, the
road north of that. I'm thinking they
could put 48 houses out
there and that is wrong, it's
48 units, so I'm glad that's clarified. But
you
see all
these apartment buildings popping
up everywhere and any way, you
know, I guess I would like to know
what's
going on and I appreciate the
500-foot notice, but that is ridiculous.
and it
is in your policy, whatever, but it
would be nice to
know what they are really going to
do
there. Is that a four-story building, five
story? I
don't know, you know. I guess I can't
ask
them. And I'm learning your
rules here. That's my concern. I would
like to know what's going on, that's
all. >> we appreciate you sharing your
comments. Anything else? >> I have four minutes to spare.
>> and commissioner goodson, this is your district.
>> and chairman, I would like to bring bruce back up.
bruce the site is 2.9 acres.
could you tell us --
give me the process to get plans approved.
>> in the county, we create the plan drawings and engineer
the stormwater, comply with floodplain, traffic study,
environmental study,
surveys of property
and coordinate with utilty company for water and sewer.
so...
and I wanted to say this as a part of
the discussion or not, but it
is irrelevant of the zoning and they could go
and develop this right now [ inaudible ]
it will be limited to meet your rules
and the floodplain rules
are stringent, which is why you have
the good grades you have because
of your rules not because of what
will get constructed. [ inaudible ]
>> and come back again. Just an average. >>
I can't even tell you how many times
that
happens, every time and multiple times
on every project,
yes, sir.
>> and so they are very efficient in
making
sure you act right?
>> yes, sir, absolutely. >> okay, I
thought so too. The other issue, just
asking, the church
is there now, right?
>> yes, sir. >>
is that church going to remain or
do you not know?
>> it will
not come down, it will come down. If
you
had 2.29 acres and retention that
you need to hold on to
your property for 24 hours,
how much of that
2.92 gets developed usually of what percentage
of an acre gets developed?
>>
you have restrictions that you
cannot go above that and
a site has 28%
devoted for stormwater retention.
>> and you
have no intentions of mitigating?
>> I
don't
know if there are, we don't
know that yet. We have
not done that study. But we don't impact
anything that we are not allowed to.
>>
and
I know that traffic is a concern,
which makes
this a great project because most
of these kids don't drive. So this
is not
typical where you see that is being
restricted
all over the place where everybody has
two cars. That's not
what's going to happen here.
>> thank
you, chair.
>> do you have
a motion?
>> I would like to move. >> I'm sorry.
>> the light is on and somebody is home.
>> thank you. Go ahead, commissioner pritchett. >>
I
do know from the notes that right
now, there could be 133 trips, and
then you're removing the church as
well and churches typically have
a lot of traffic too. Just another
comfort
thing is that they're going to have
to do a lot of hoop
jumping here to still get the project
done, and I'm sure you're going
to sit with the community then at
that time and
let them know what you're designing and
planning. As
far as the parameter of what we sent
out notices
for is what we have always
done. If the board deems to have another
consideration to expand that. That has been
an add went amount that we've never
had that problem
in the past. So I want to mention
that it is not new
for this project and the staff has
add wently done
a great job again. That's all I want
to say, sir.
>>
thank you, commissioner.
>> yes, I
would like to make a motion that
we will approve this and the change
of zoning
and the classification
through the inl to ru2-15.
>> is
there a second?
>> second. >>
is there
a discussion? Hearing no discussion.
>>
aye.
>>
motion carries.
>> thank you very much.
>> and whose card would that be?
>> beth. >> your name is beth? >>
yeah, I
filled out a card.
>> you can go ahead and
come on up, but I believe we haven't taken
a
vote yet, have we? Okay, come on
up. Let's hear what you have to say.
>> thank you. That's okay.
>> just one moment, ma'am. Will
you reon the part public hearing on
the item?
>> yes, sir.
>> is there a motion to reopen the
public
hearing?
>> so moved. >> is there
a second?
>>
I'll second.
>> signify by
saying aye.
>> aye. >> opposed nay? Thank
you very
much.
>> my name is beth.
I'm
retired from
federal government, which don't
mean much. And what I thought was
pertinent that he's
not sure about
the wetlands. When it rains, I always
notice this when I'm driving, the
water never
goes away for weeks, weeks,
weeks, it just sits there. It is a
wetland and
I can't imagine anybody that is
building anything on that and there
is no reason to do that.
and as far as they don't have
vehicles, somebody has to
take these people to
doctors or whatever, to the grocery, whatever. It
will add
more traffic that I personally don't
even go that direction
when I walk, drive down banana boulevard. I
have to turn and
make another trip because the traffic
all day long
now is getting worse. And I didn't
know myself, who do I contact to tell
somebody that hey, it's getting worse
out here. I've
seen two children almost get hit by
cars,
which is just because there are
so many people. And like the one gentlemen
said, people are
lining
up on the streets. It is ridiculous. Thank you so
much for what you do.
I believe in the government.
and thank you so much,
I have lived here for ten years. I'm
not going
back to ohio, I do love ohio.
>> I'm sorry we missed your card.
>> in
light of those additional comments,
and I apologize, but take that vote
again,
please.
>> we have
not taken a vote yet.
>>
okay. I would like to make
a motion that we approve
this and
I
can't find it, okay. Okay, thank you,
thank you.
>>
it is a motion on h14.
24200014.
okay, is there any discussion?
commissioner feltner?
[ inaudible ]
there's
a motion by commissioner goodson,
second by commissioner
pritchett. No more discussion. All in
favor signify by
saying aye?
>>
aye.
>> the motion
carries. Okay, thank you. Let's go on to h15.
jeff, please.
>> scott
martin requests a change
of zoning classification from bu-1
and ru-2-15 to all ru-2-15,
24z00015, tax account number
is 2520270, located in district 2.
>> okay.
is the applicant here? Scott?
scott martin? All right, so you just
sit right there for a second, scott. Let's
turn it
over to commissioner goodson for
his analysis of this. It
is his district. Commissioner? With
a say you?
>> I have no conflict.
>> okay. >> you might be off the
hook, but let's try. Is there a motion
to approve?
>> I'd like
to make a
motion, mr. Chair, to approve. >> is there a second?
>> second.
>> motioned by commissioner goodson,
seconded by commissioner tobia. Any
discussion? There is no
cards out there. I think. Okay. All
in favor? Motion carries. Thank you
so much.
>>
see ya, scott.
>>
thank you.
>>> all right, let's go
to
the next one.
>> h16 is brevard county
board of county commissioners requests a
change of zoning classification
from au with the cup
and gml to all gml institutional
with the removal of
a cup, application
number 24z00017, tax
account number 2055557, located in
district two. >> okay, commissioner goodson?
>> I have
no issue of this. I would
make a motion
for approval. And that is
the sheriff's farm.
>> there
is a motion by commissioner goodson
and any discussion? Hearing no discussion,
all in favor signify
by
saying aye? All opposed nays? Motion carries.
you're up,
jeff.
>> h17 is borrows west suite developers,
llc, requests a cup for
on-premises consumption of alcohol
in a pud
zoning classification. Application
number
24z00019, tax account number 3030134,
located in district
four.
>> commissioner feltner? >>
I make a motion to approve.
>> is
there a second?
>> second.
>> motioned by
commissioner feltner, seconded by commissioner
tobia. Any discussion? Hearing
no discussion,
all
in favor?
>> aye. >> all opposed? The motion carries.
>> h18, walter chlewicki requests
a
change of zoning classification from
ru-1-13
to ru-2-4 with a bdp. The
application is requested to be tabled
to allow readvertising the applicant
who did not appear at the pnz meeting.
>> okay, so we don't
need to do anything on this?
>> this
will be
readvertised.
>> okay. So that one is done.
okay.
>> all right,
we have any unfinished business? We
have some public comments. Sullivan?
and it is a 9:00 a.m. Meeting.
and to bring this forward.
and they are leaving.
and our current lagoon decision should be with the commissioners.
and for the next ten years.
and with
no burden to make poor decisions to
not fix what is wrong.
and the voters this year and that
I
believe the decision of the commissioners will
go on
in district three and district five without burdening them.
and the strive.
the money that were paid for the fund.
and now weaponized.
and of $50 million down to palm bay.
and the modification.
and so we know what will happen and that will end up there.
and the commissioners that are
coming in here and the conflict of interest issues.
and the infrastructure tax, 2.775.
[ inaudible ]
>> stella snooks?
>> good day, county staff. I'm steven
snooks, born here
at cape canaveral. And I'm looking
to improve brevard
county as best as I
can and we have cruise
ships coming to town twice a week
on schedule for one shift. And
so we have them coming to town and
what do
they do? They come here. [ inaudible ]
they leave
here. They go to orlando and they
seek enjoyment and things
like that and so it's to central florida.
and if they wanted to increase revenue and profits.
>> and to have a competition course constructed in
the northwest sector and
in the '05, '06, '07.
and 16, 17, 18 parcels. It is a
lot of land out
that way. Currently it is owned by
the miami alternatives, the llc. And
about 10,
12 acres out there to my record search
and I
was able to find
one payment on all those.
and so this
is in great conflict to the
plans to bring
profit through entertainment for brevard
county as 10, 12 acres going to the
area would
mean a proposal for residentials housing,
things of that nature. And you could
imagine the competition course and
next to the residential areas, they would
not be a
great thing that there would be noise
complaints and such. As this area
is still
untouched, there's been no ground
broken for the
name of this company, and their
pursuit for over 12 years. That tells
me that
they are stalemating the efforts of brevard
county to have growth.
I would like
the county to consider to put in
land near this development into a
land trust, so
that way their stalemating can be
combated with putting land
into
a trust that could then
have the investors confidence in following
through with
contributing more funds
to this land trust to then develop the
competition courses for brevard county.
and at this point, I would
like to
be in touch with
frank abbate to complete that task.
>>
thank you, steven.
>>
can I ask a question? When you say
competition course? What is
that? What does that entail?
>>
competition
course would be a street
course, a drag strip, a dirt course,
a pump track, which would be
for bmx, bikes, and such. And this
would
be on the scale of olympic
level tracks for all the
respective sports,
and also to include aerial
tracks, the scaled down for first person view
racing. I think that would be
more of a hit for the kids to be able
to learn
racing before they would get into a vehicle themselves.
it's great because it's not
causing the hazard or the risk to
nasa and things
of that nature, which will have no fly
zones.
>> I'm
curious of the drag strip. How long
does that have
to be
in that modern era?
>> other tracks are comparable to quarter
miles, half mile. The street course,
they could take up as
much as 100
acres. I would feel to
include each and every track. 500
acres
to a thousand acres would be the
absolute bare minimum and then you
would have to include the
parking infrastructure, the frontage
for
stores, things of that nature. So
I feel that it
would be a great
starting
bid for potentially getting brevard county
into land approved to be better.
>>
not that far away from us?
>> correct.
>> and it is primarily
only a quarter mile track. This would
not include street courses, dirt courses, aerial courses. And
I've reached out to them to see if
they would like to expand their mission
and to include partnerships that would
help assemble
that. And they denied that. They have no
aim
for growth and they are also not in
brevard county. So
the revenue and those events would still be lost.
>> thank you, sir. >> you're welcome. >>
any other questions?
>> commissioner pritchett,
do you have a question?
>> I think that it sounds like a very fun idea. So I
think if
you will go out and find
investors and you can start working
on that. And then we could
get a plan. I might be willing to
consider zoning changes, but
you'll need to go out first to find
some investors and
find some funds.
>> certainly. >>
thank you. That's all I wanted to say.
>> okay, thank you, steven. >>
thank you very kindly.
>> all right.
board reports?
county manager?
>> I have no report.
>> county attorney? >> no report,
mr. Chair.
>> commissioner pritchett? >> thank you, sir.
I did
want to just mention one thing that
we just came
out of a very heated meeting. And
I do
understand that people needed a need
to say what they needed to say and
I totally get it
and that
we
would
put up the civility. That they want
to state their strong
opinion without yelling at people
or typically getting personal with
people, so
I want to commend you on that and that I
think that we
have a couple of people right now
that will
be crossing the line as I wanted to mention.
the personal attack on our staff that
they don't deserve that as we signed up
for it and
that we are thick skinned and we would
deal with it and
that county staff, it's out of bounds. I
want
to apologize to all the county staff
that
would have to deal with that and tay
kind of caught
me off guard and I give you my word
that
I'm going
to be very strong and proactive of not letting
you guys ever
get beat up again like that on personal attacks
and so
that is what I wanted
to say. You're wonderful people. I
thank
you for your integrity and all that you
do as you
bring a
lot to the table. And
to talk without
being mocked from the front and most
of the
time that this is happening, they're
going out there, so you handled
it beautifully, but I'm getting thin
on the way they're treating you as well. And
if you want to, you certainly have it.
>> thank you, commissioner. Commissioner goodson?
>> none, sir.
>> commissioner tobia? >> no report, mr. Chair.
>> no report. >>
commissioner steel? No report. Do I hear
a motion to adjourn?
>> motion so made.
>> is there a second? >> I'll second.
>> all in favor? >> aye.
>> all opposed? Meeting is adjourned.