1 00:04:19,280 --> 00:04:24,759 Testing one, two, three. How are we doing? 2 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:38,960 She said, "Well, at least." All right. So, are we 3 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:42,240 I guess so. I don't know. Are we online? 4 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:47,360 We might be. All right. Well, 5 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:53,840 whatever. I will officially call to order our special meeting of the Bvard 6 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:58,320 City Council on Thursday, October 30th. Welcome to everybody that has joined us. 7 00:04:55,919 --> 00:05:03,280 As always, it's great to see the public and hopefully we are broadcasting and 8 00:05:01,199 --> 00:05:08,000 welcome to everybody that's watching us online. 9 00:05:05,280 --> 00:05:12,479 This is a special meeting, so our agenda is somewhat abridged. Madame clerk, do 10 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:15,680 we have a quorum? Yes, you do have a quorum. All members 11 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:20,320 are present. I will just introduce everybody that is 12 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:26,400 sitting up here. On my far right is our city attorney, M. 13 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:32,160 Mckeler. Next to Mac is Councilman Lauren Wise. Next to Lauren is 14 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:37,759 Councilwoman Pamela Holder. Next to Pamela is Councilman M. tomorrow. I'm 15 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:43,199 Mayor Moren Copelof. On my immediate left is our city clerk Denise Hodston. 16 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:48,639 Next to Denise is Councilman and Mayor Prom Gary Daniel. Next to Gary is 17 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:56,080 Councilman Aaron Baker. And on the far left is our city manager Wilson Hooper. 18 00:05:52,800 --> 00:06:01,680 Okay, with that council, you've got the draft agenda. Are there any changes or 19 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:03,840 modifications to the agenda? Do I have a motion to approve the 20 00:06:03,199 --> 00:06:06,240 agenda? So move. 21 00:06:04,479 --> 00:06:09,680 Second. All in favor? I. 22 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:13,560 Agenda is approved. We will move right into public comments. 23 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:20,800 Okay. The public is invited to speak during 24 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:26,000 public comment at this time only on the item on the agenda for this special 25 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:30,639 meeting. Anyone who wants to speak must register with the city clerk, which is 26 00:06:27,840 --> 00:06:35,360 what this list is. When it is your turn, step to the podium in front of city 27 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:41,039 council. State your name and address clearly. Limit comments to three minutes 28 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:46,080 or less and avoid repetition. Direct comments to the full council, not 29 00:06:43,759 --> 00:06:52,400 to an individual council member or to staff. And I will give you a warning 30 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:57,199 when you have 30 seconds left. Okay. I will call people up in the order 31 00:06:54,639 --> 00:07:00,520 which you signed. Our first speaker is Anne Hollingsworth. 32 00:07:05,840 --> 00:07:09,840 Do I need to bring this down? Just like that. 33 00:07:09,199 --> 00:07:14,080 Like that. Yeah. Okay. 34 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:19,759 Hello. Um, I know most of you, but for those who don't know me, I'm Ann 35 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:26,400 Hollingssworth and I live at 187 East Main Street, downtown Breard. and my 36 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:31,280 husband Danny and I own 78 South Broad Street, which is occupied by Headline 37 00:07:29,759 --> 00:07:36,000 Salon. Last week, we were out of town when you 38 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:40,240 all had your uh regular monthly council meeting, and we had just become aware of 39 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:44,720 the issue. So, we emailed all our concerns uh 40 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:50,639 relating to why we did not want a loading zone in front of headlines, 41 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:54,960 cycle works, and looking glass reality. I would like to personally speak with 42 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:59,440 you now for the public record. Brooke McCall, the owner of Headlines, has been 43 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:06,319 in business at that location for 28 years. She has an established clientele. 44 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:11,680 Many of her longtime customers are older and can't physically walk blocks to get 45 00:08:08,639 --> 00:08:17,280 their hair done. She has told us she has lost many customers because of the lack 46 00:08:13,759 --> 00:08:23,919 of parking. Now, another factor that I thought of after I emailed you all is 47 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:30,800 for not putting a loading zone is the lack of visibility. When you come out of 48 00:08:26,479 --> 00:08:35,519 First Citizens Bank onto Broad Street, the large tractor trailers would block 49 00:08:33,279 --> 00:08:39,599 the line of sight and this would be extremely dangerous because of the speed 50 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:45,519 people come on Broad Street. 51 00:08:42,479 --> 00:08:48,800 And um that's all I have to say and I thank you for your time and 52 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:55,800 consideration. Thank you, Miss Hollingsworth. 53 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:55,800 Our next speaker is Doug Miller. 54 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:04,959 that back up. Hey, Doug Miller. I live at uh South 55 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:10,240 Calwell Street and have a business on West Jordan Street. So, obviously have 56 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:14,880 an interest in this uh conversation and I attended the committee meeting that 57 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:18,240 you guys had to go over this again last week. Was it this week or I don't 58 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:22,240 remember. It was recently. Um [laughter] and I just thank you guys for moving 59 00:09:20,399 --> 00:09:25,519 with such urgency on this. I do appreciate the sense of urgency with 60 00:09:23,680 --> 00:09:27,920 which you're moving and I think that the uh decision that was made at the last 61 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:30,480 committee meeting was a good one. I think there was some really good 62 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:36,480 conversation. I feel like we came to a good um balance between you know making 63 00:09:33,519 --> 00:09:39,920 sure that the businesses uh needs are met and that the businesses who need to 64 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:42,800 get deliveries needs are met and that the safety of the folks that need to 65 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:46,800 move around is [clears throat] taken into consideration. Um we're not 66 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:49,920 blocking any fire hydrants with this decision. So I know that was a concern 67 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:52,126 from the city but I think there was good conversation. And I feel like ultimately 68 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:55,440 that was a good decision. [clears throat] So I'm here to say I 69 00:09:53,839 --> 00:09:58,640 support it. I think that's the right move at this point to go ahead and put 70 00:09:56,959 --> 00:10:01,200 the loading zones in the places that were recommended by the committee. 71 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:08,120 Thanks. Thank you, Mr. Miller. 72 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:08,120 Our next speaker is Melissa Driver. 73 00:10:10,399 --> 00:10:16,720 Good evening. I know several of you, but for those of you who do not know me, my 74 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:21,200 name is Melissa Driver. I live at 370 Maple Street here downtown. and my 75 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:27,040 husband Joe Driver and I own Cycle Works which we recently opened back in July 76 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:30,720 and are leasing from Paul Willander. He owns the remainder of the building as 77 00:10:28,560 --> 00:10:35,680 well and I work for him as an agent. So I use the building for multiple purposes 78 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:39,600 and I appreciate that you all sent the this item back to a special committee. 79 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:44,560 So, I want to thank you for that because that gave us the time to understand more 80 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:49,600 about what was being proposed and also discuss with that committee what we had 81 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:54,480 hoped for as we all plan this downtown master plan together that's beneficial 82 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:59,120 for all of the businesses, not just individual businesses. So, I appreciate 83 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:03,519 having the ability to have that input and not focus solely on where do we put 84 00:11:00,959 --> 00:11:06,800 food trucks, but also our livelihood as a business and a new business and a 85 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:11,200 retail storefront. So, thank you for hearing us out at that committee 86 00:11:08,079 --> 00:11:14,320 meeting. I also am in agreement with the the recommendation that came out of that 87 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:18,079 committee meeting and I'm looking forward to your approval of that 88 00:11:15,680 --> 00:11:22,959 recommendation to place the parking loading zone away from our building and 89 00:11:20,959 --> 00:11:26,560 allow there to accommodate still the remaining three spaces in front of our 90 00:11:24,560 --> 00:11:31,279 building. So, thank you very much and I hope that you come to agreement with it. 91 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:35,839 Thank you, Mr. Driver. All right. And that is everyone that signed up for 92 00:11:33,519 --> 00:11:39,600 public comment. All right, we will move on to unfinished 93 00:11:38,079 --> 00:11:44,399 business, the South Broad Street restriping plan. And I guess city 94 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:47,360 manager will be presenting. I'll kick us off and then I'll throw to 95 00:11:45,839 --> 00:11:51,839 David to take us through the alternatives that were discussed by the 96 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:56,720 committee last week, including their recommendation. Um, just as a reminder 97 00:11:54,720 --> 00:12:01,440 to you council, but also for the benefit of our uh, audience in person and those 98 00:11:59,519 --> 00:12:06,480 who are watching the meeting online, this evening's meeting is the result of 99 00:12:03,279 --> 00:12:10,560 your instruction from October 20th to send the South Broad Street restrip 100 00:12:08,560 --> 00:12:13,440 restriping matter back to the downtown master plan committee for 101 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:20,480 reconsideration and the need to have uh, you all confirm 102 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:26,959 or not their recommendation as soon as possible so that we can transmit 103 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:31,839 to NC DOT and them to their contractor before the contractor's upcoming 104 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:36,959 completion deadline. Uh if we miss that deadline, um we'll have to assume the 105 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:41,600 cost of this restriping if we get it to them on time, which this committee will 106 00:12:38,560 --> 00:12:46,959 enable us to do. Uh most the vast vast majority of the cost will be borne by 107 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:50,720 them. Uh so as I said before, downtown master plan committee met last week. 108 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:55,120 They reviewed their original proposal from May, heard some public comments, 109 00:12:53,600 --> 00:13:00,160 including some of the folks who've shared with you again today, and uh they 110 00:12:58,399 --> 00:13:05,279 reviewed several alternatives that were developed by uh staff, and they 111 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:10,639 considered an alternative that was profered by heart of Bvard, which David 112 00:13:08,079 --> 00:13:14,320 will go over as well. Um finally, and this is very important, the committee 113 00:13:12,399 --> 00:13:21,040 also considered um information from the logistics and 114 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:26,560 delivery industry, which Deie Harris reached down into her rolodex and called 115 00:13:23,680 --> 00:13:30,560 one of her contacts to provide to us. And I appreciate that because they were 116 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:34,000 a stakeholder that we didn't have enough time to involve in this discussion, but 117 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:38,320 they're an important one nonetheless. And so I appreciate her bringing that 118 00:13:36,079 --> 00:13:43,200 information to the committee and it informed our conversation uh quite 119 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:47,360 helpfully in my opinion. So before I throw to David, the one 120 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:52,399 thing I'll say is that the logistics folks that she brought information from 121 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:56,160 agreed with us that none of our alternatives are great. There's not one 122 00:13:54,560 --> 00:14:00,079 that's perfect and doesn't have some trade-offs. Um, but I personally feel 123 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:06,160 that the alternative which was chosen has the fewest negative tradeoffs and 124 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:10,480 for that reason I also agree that it's a good way forward and so I'll now throw 125 00:14:08,399 --> 00:14:16,480 to David to take us through the various alternatives if you would please sir. 126 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:20,720 Yes sir. Mayor Council good evening. First thing I would like to do is walk 127 00:14:18,560 --> 00:14:24,639 us through the current recommendation and then I can show you the different 128 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:30,000 things that we considered. So, the first recommendation that you see, this is uh 129 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:34,320 I made our mouse bigger so hopefully we can see a little better tonight. This is 130 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:40,800 Broad Street in Jordan with Maine up here. What this proposal does or this 131 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:46,240 option does is it takes the current ADA space that is somewhere in this general 132 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:52,480 vicinity and it moves it to the end and it creates a 69 ft loading zone that is 133 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:59,440 contiguous whereas before it was broken into two spaces and it adds one 134 00:14:55,440 --> 00:15:05,120 additional 22ft parking space. So that is uh 135 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:08,480 option one of what we are asking you to approve tonight and what was approved 136 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:13,120 and recommended by the downtown master plan committee. 137 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:20,079 Option two, I'm sorry, op this is not option two. 138 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:24,959 This is part two. Part two would paint the parking spaces that let me orient us 139 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:31,600 again. This is Jordan Street and Broad Street. Part two would paint the parking 140 00:15:28,639 --> 00:15:35,839 spaces in front of Looking Glass Realy, the salon, the bike shop that we're 141 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:40,959 speaking about tonight back as they are currently painted. It would move the 142 00:15:38,639 --> 00:15:47,120 loading zone across the street in front of Eldridge Motors. This would be a 40ft 143 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:52,000 loading zone. This would accommodate a box truck, UPS truck, FedEx truck, those 144 00:15:50,079 --> 00:15:55,759 type of vehicles. I do want to go back for just a moment to the first 145 00:15:53,839 --> 00:16:01,199 recommendation. The 69 foot loading zone should 146 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:06,320 accommodate one of the I'm going to refer to them as 147 00:16:03,839 --> 00:16:10,560 the US Foods trucks. That's the kind of mini tractor trailer looking trucks that 148 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:15,519 we see around town. Those trucks are approximately 50 ft long with a 14 foot 149 00:16:13,199 --> 00:16:19,519 loading ramp out of the back then with another 5t for working space to get in 150 00:16:17,839 --> 00:16:24,560 and out of the ramp and then onto the crosswalk. So we feel this would easily 151 00:16:22,639 --> 00:16:28,320 handle the largest of the US food trucks. It would not handle, 152 00:16:27,096 --> 00:16:33,360 [clears throat] excuse me, it would not handle a full-size, you know, 53 foot 153 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:38,480 tractor trailer, but I' I've not seen one of those try to unload in Bvard 154 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:41,680 since I've been here. So, that's two recommendations that are 155 00:16:40,399 --> 00:16:49,000 in front of you. What I'd like to do next is just quickly run through several 156 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:49,000 other considerations that we looked at. 157 00:16:51,519 --> 00:17:00,279 So, one of those is the option one that we just looked at and recommended to 158 00:16:55,360 --> 00:17:00,279 you. Option two 159 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:09,199 was a smaller loading zone. This reduced the 69 ft loading zone down to 47 ft 160 00:17:06,799 --> 00:17:13,360 with a 22t parking space. Now, one thing I I do want to just say for 161 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:18,079 clarification, all of these numbers are approximate. They're general. The GPS is 162 00:17:15,679 --> 00:17:21,520 not exact, and that's what we've used to get some of these dimensions between 163 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:24,880 this and a combination of field measurements, but things may be a little 164 00:17:23,439 --> 00:17:28,880 smaller than what they're actually shown. We typically would make that 165 00:17:26,959 --> 00:17:33,039 difference up in the largest space. So the in this case, the 40 7 foot loading 166 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:36,799 zone might be a little smaller, a little larger. In the first scenario, the 69 167 00:17:35,120 --> 00:17:42,960 foot might be a little smaller, a little larger. In this particular scenario, you 168 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:48,080 add a second parking space. But the downside is this is no longer large 169 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:54,520 enough to accommodate one of the I'll call it mini tractor trailers, the US 170 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:54,520 food service type tractor trailer. 171 00:17:56,160 --> 00:18:03,360 The next option we looked at is what we originally had been proposed from the 172 00:18:01,120 --> 00:18:08,240 downtown master plan committee which was to leave the striping in front of 173 00:18:05,120 --> 00:18:13,360 looking glass realy blank and allow us to place temporary paint to decide which 174 00:18:11,039 --> 00:18:16,919 parking scenario or loading zone might work the best. 175 00:18:17,120 --> 00:18:25,039 The let me just go back to that for a second. The the con to this would be at 176 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:28,799 some point we would be responsible for painting that parking in and the 177 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:33,039 thermoplastic as well as whatever traffic control had to happen. So would 178 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:38,120 not be a huge expense but it's definitely an expense that the city 179 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:38,120 would have to take on. 180 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:47,200 Option four, we looked at converting the entire area in front of Looking 181 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:53,600 Glass Realy, again, the bike shop, the salon into an 82 foot approximate 182 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:58,880 loading zone. This would be uh more than suitable for the mini tractor trailer. 183 00:18:56,799 --> 00:19:04,320 And it would move the ADA space that's currently in front of Looking Glass 184 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:09,538 Realy across the street and would add a ramp with that parking space. It's very 185 00:19:07,679 --> 00:19:13,440 likely that [cough] [clears throat] currently two parking 186 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:18,320 spaces here that may result in the loss of a parking space, an extra parking 187 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:21,840 space. If we do that, we really need to just get out there and place it. Make 188 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:26,320 sure we have adequate sight lines in and out of the driveways on both sides of 189 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:31,760 looking glass motors. You can see there's a driveway on each end. So in 190 00:19:29,039 --> 00:19:36,240 this scenario, if we assume that we maintain the parking space, the two 191 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:41,440 parking spaces here in front of Eldridge Motors, there would be a loss of the 192 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:47,360 three parking spaces on this side of the road in front of Looking Glass Realy. 193 00:19:45,360 --> 00:19:53,440 Another option we looked at is what we call option 4A. 194 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:58,160 Option 4A again has an 82 foot loading zone from Looking Glass Realy down in 195 00:19:55,679 --> 00:20:03,200 front of the salon and bike shop. It leaves the spaces in front of Eldridge 196 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:10,240 Motors alone, but it converts the last space on Jordan Street into an ADA 197 00:20:06,799 --> 00:20:14,240 space. This space, in my opinion, is uh very well suited for an ADA space 198 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:19,440 because it's very flat, very centrally located, has easy access to the 199 00:20:16,559 --> 00:20:25,360 crosswalk, but it is, however, a lot further distance from the headline 200 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:29,200 salon, which the current space is uh we believe that's probably the primary 201 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:34,880 user. The next scenario we looked at, we'll 202 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:40,080 call it option five. Option five converts the spaces in front 203 00:20:38,159 --> 00:20:45,280 of Looking Glass Realy to a smaller loading zone, a 60-foot loading zone, 204 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:51,600 which would allow us to maintain one parking space and it moves the ADA space 205 00:20:48,159 --> 00:20:57,440 across the street. The downside to this scenario is the mini tractor trailer is 206 00:20:55,360 --> 00:21:02,799 64 feet from the front of the truck to the end of the loading ramp plus the 207 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:07,200 workspace. So the 69 ft would push the driver of that truck and unless he 208 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:12,880 pulled all the way up into this parking space, it would push his unloading 209 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:17,360 activities into the intersection, probably blocking access to Jordan 210 00:21:15,120 --> 00:21:22,240 Street. It does maintain one additional parking 211 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:26,840 space here. So you have a loss of two parking spaces with this particular 212 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,840 scenario. 213 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:35,039 Option 5A does the identical thing but preserves the spaces in front of 214 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:40,400 Eldridge Motors and moves the ADA space up at the end of Jordan Street. We do 215 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:44,960 have concerns that I'm going to go back an option. If the ADA space in any of 216 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:49,919 these scenarios is placed on this other side of the road, we are potentially um 217 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:53,120 this is kind of true in any case because we don't know where folks are going, but 218 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:57,919 if it was someone that was a client of the hair salon, they are going to have 219 00:21:54,880 --> 00:22:01,200 to cross the road and back up. The majority, 220 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:05,120 it's hard to say majority of the businesses are on the other side of 221 00:22:03,360 --> 00:22:10,840 broad, but in this particular area, there are probably more businesses on 222 00:22:07,120 --> 00:22:10,840 the other side of broad. 223 00:22:12,559 --> 00:22:23,280 Option six that we looked at creates a 55- ft loading zone moves the 224 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:27,120 ADA space to the end of this range. The 55 ft loading zone again has the 225 00:22:25,919 --> 00:22:30,799 same issue of not being able to accommodate the mini tractor trailer, 226 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:36,720 but it would easily accommodate one or two box trucks. It also puts the 227 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:42,080 accessible parking space in an ideal location for folks at the salon and it 228 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:45,559 maintains it if nothing else on that side of the road. 229 00:22:49,120 --> 00:22:57,480 That's the options that we reviewed. The heart of Bvard brought a another idea to 230 00:22:54,960 --> 00:23:00,559 the table. [snorts] 231 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:08,200 While I don't have that exact proposal laid out, I do have the dimensions of 232 00:23:03,679 --> 00:23:08,200 that area that we can look at. 233 00:23:10,159 --> 00:23:15,880 Me just a second here. I'll try to make this a little bigger. We can see it 234 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,880 better. 235 00:23:35,039 --> 00:23:39,799 Okay. So, in this particular scenario, 236 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:45,600 I've just laid some dimensions out here, but what you currently have on East 237 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:50,799 Jordan Street, so let me orient us again. This is East Jordan Street. This 238 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:54,799 is Broad. This is Coyote's right here on the corner. 239 00:23:52,640 --> 00:24:00,559 What you presently have in this location are three parallel parking spaces that 240 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:06,799 kind of run the length of the building. They start down here where this driveway 241 00:24:03,919 --> 00:24:12,240 entrance goes in. They start 11 ft up from that and you have three parking 242 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:18,640 spaces that move up 32 foot from the corner approximately. I 243 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:23,520 just measured off the uh traffic signal pole. There is a fire department 244 00:24:21,039 --> 00:24:29,360 connection onto the building. There's also a fire alarm control panel access 245 00:24:26,559 --> 00:24:33,120 door into the building that we definitely would not want to block the 246 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:37,679 fire department connection, but we also probably would not want to block the 247 00:24:34,799 --> 00:24:42,320 door as well. Here's a photo where you can see the 248 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:48,520 this is the fire department connection here. And I believe I've got another 249 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:48,520 photo that shows the door. 250 00:24:54,720 --> 00:25:02,640 So, here you can see the fire department connection and the door. Another issue 251 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:08,000 of concern with East Jordan Street is that it does have two lanes as you exit. 252 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:11,360 So, it's got one lane if you're turning straight or if you're going straight or 253 00:25:09,679 --> 00:25:18,080 turning left and it has another lane if you're turning right. when they recently 254 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:23,679 repaved the signal control loops for that traffic light were brought a lot 255 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:28,400 further down the street on Jordan. I'm not exactly sure why that is. I suspect 256 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:34,080 it has to do with the stacking count for the light to change. So, this really 257 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:39,520 pushes the usable space a lot further down East Jordan Street, especially if 258 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:44,320 you want to give cars space to drive around any potential loading zone that 259 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,320 might be there. 260 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:53,120 to get stacked into the traffic count. So those loops come down somewhere in 261 00:25:51,679 --> 00:25:57,240 this neighborhood where I'm showing my area arrow right now. 262 00:25:59,039 --> 00:26:05,440 Mr. Hooper, is there anything else you would like me to show [clears throat] or 263 00:26:02,559 --> 00:26:10,159 review with them? The other um thing we brought up to the committee that they uh 264 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:16,400 considered was the fact that the downtown master plan uh foresees one day 265 00:26:13,679 --> 00:26:21,039 East Jordan Street being converted into a road with a bike lane on it and we 266 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:26,880 didn't want to foreclose on that possibility by using that space as a 267 00:26:24,559 --> 00:26:33,039 loading zone. And then finally, with the way that the road is oriented, one way 268 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:39,760 going west to access that loading zone, the trucks would have to drive a big 269 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:48,159 loop uh around East Main Street, making that tight right turn off of South Broad 270 00:26:43,919 --> 00:26:52,799 onto East Maine, or that conflicted, and when I mean conflicted, I mean a turn 271 00:26:49,919 --> 00:26:59,679 that faces a lot of oncoming traffic coming left off of North broad onto East 272 00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:04,400 Maine. And so just the traffic situation that it would create by forcing trucks 273 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:09,520 to drive all the way around the block to get pointed in the right direction on 274 00:27:06,159 --> 00:27:12,640 that uh potential loading zone was something that we brought up to the 275 00:27:10,799 --> 00:27:16,263 committee that they considered when they were making their recommendation. 276 00:27:14,243 --> 00:27:16,263 [clears throat] 277 00:27:18,159 --> 00:27:24,480 Okay. Anything else, Mr. Manager? No, ma'am. 278 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:31,279 All right. Council, we are looking for a decision tonight. Do I have a motion? 279 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:36,400 Staff is recommending that you approve the recommendations from the downtown 280 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:41,039 master plan committee. Do I have a recommendation to approve those? 281 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:44,960 Do I have a motion? A motion. Okay. 282 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:49,200 Um, a motion that we approve the recommendation from the committee um at 283 00:27:47,679 --> 00:27:51,360 this past meeting. Do I have a second? 284 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:56,000 Second. Okay. We'll open it for discussion. Miss 285 00:27:53,840 --> 00:28:03,200 Holder. Um I'm co-chairperson of that committee 286 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:09,760 and um we did not take lightly what needed to happen to 287 00:28:07,120 --> 00:28:13,360 uh not hurt businesses that would may be affected by parking a truck there. But 288 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:19,039 we know that loading zones are necessary. And so the idea to take it 289 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:24,640 across the street was a a good one. and I felt like the best option and I'm glad 290 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:31,039 that we were able to come to where we are now to this point to move forward. 291 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:35,600 Mr. Mororrow, it seems like we found consensus as well 292 00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:39,039 and that's always good. [clears throat] Mr. Weiss. 293 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:43,840 Yeah, I think um someone stated there's no perfect answer to this problem. Um, I 294 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:49,760 think the original plan in front of looking glass was perhaps the easiest 295 00:28:45,679 --> 00:28:54,000 for drivers, but um, we I think the impacts outweighed the ease for drivers. 296 00:28:51,919 --> 00:28:58,000 And I like this solution in front of coyotes 297 00:28:55,600 --> 00:29:03,679 because it also gets the trucks more where they're likely to be needed. So, 298 00:29:00,799 --> 00:29:08,240 um, in in light of the not great options, I think this is the best one. 299 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:13,919 And I and I and I also appreciate the downtown master planning committee uh 300 00:29:10,799 --> 00:29:18,080 giving this some extra thought. Mr. Baker, 301 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:23,600 yeah, just a couple questions. You mentioned that we heard back from some 302 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:29,679 of the comp logistics companies. Can you just briefly summarize what they what 303 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:34,080 their input was? Um they agreed that putting it down the 304 00:29:32,159 --> 00:29:37,600 hill in front of the bank was probably not a great option. And that was 305 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:41,440 something that was discussed at the committee meeting, but uh was put to bed 306 00:29:39,679 --> 00:29:46,559 pretty early because of the feedback of the um logistics folks. Uh they also 307 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:50,399 agreed that navigating over to East Jordan Street and the large trucks um 308 00:29:49,039 --> 00:29:54,000 would be tough because [clears throat] most of their traffic of course uses 309 00:29:52,159 --> 00:30:00,000 broad as the main artery in and out of town. Um, and then they, as I said, also 310 00:29:58,159 --> 00:30:04,480 agreed that none of these solutions were great, but that the one that the 311 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:10,200 committee recommended was, as Council Member Weise said, sort of the the least 312 00:30:06,399 --> 00:30:10,200 bad of the decisions. 313 00:30:10,559 --> 00:30:18,559 And have we had any other conversations with the DOT contractor on their timing, 314 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:22,640 or we're still kind of unsure of when that might actually happen? 315 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:29,279 We suspect it'll happen very soon. We think that they lost a few days due to 316 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:33,360 weather. Um and so their um deadline has been extended by a few days. Uh so I 317 00:30:32,159 --> 00:30:38,000 think we're going to get in under the deadline. But as for when they're going 318 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:42,840 to actually be out there and install it, probably within what the next two weeks. 319 00:30:43,846 --> 00:30:48,720 [clears throat] They initially indicated they were going 320 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:53,039 to start early this week. So we were really pressed on time. So 321 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:56,320 the weather helped us. So I suspect they'll they're probably delayed on the 322 00:30:54,799 --> 00:31:01,520 job they were working on. I suspect they'll start sometime next week if not 323 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:04,240 early the week after is my guess. Okay. 324 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:08,159 And of course they've got the whole, you know, footprint of the entire project to 325 00:31:06,159 --> 00:31:11,279 do. And so I don't know what order they're going to do it in, but they 326 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:15,039 might not get to this part for a while because they got to go from the college 327 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:20,000 all the way to the Sunset Motel. Yeah. Well, um, last thing I'll say is 328 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:26,799 just thanks to the staff and the committee for doing some last minute um, 329 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:31,760 rescheduling and spending some more time on this that they probably didn't uh, 330 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:39,440 bargain on. So, uh, I think we've reached a a good consensus and heard 331 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:44,000 from the necessary uh, stakeholders and I'm comfortable with moving forward. 332 00:31:42,799 --> 00:31:48,720 Mr. Daniel. Yeah. Uh, this proposal comes to the 333 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:55,279 council with a unanimous vote from the downtown master plan committee and but I 334 00:31:51,919 --> 00:32:02,000 would like to state that my vote was made with the intention of moving this 335 00:31:58,559 --> 00:32:09,039 uh proposal to city council. Um, and I'd also like to remind the 336 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:15,760 council that the downtown master plan committee was formed to advise us on the 337 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:22,880 implementation of the downtown master plan. An issue that is politically 338 00:32:19,519 --> 00:32:28,320 fraught as downtown parking should ultimately be the sole responsibility of 339 00:32:25,919 --> 00:32:34,240 this council. And indeed, that's what this vote tonight will do. 340 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:40,480 The issue I have with this proposal is that it's essentially what's in place 341 00:32:36,799 --> 00:32:49,120 now. Uh it's the same proposal that the downtown master plan uh made uh 342 00:32:44,559 --> 00:32:55,760 previously and was implemented and um it obviously it doesn't work. Uh, I have a 343 00:32:52,159 --> 00:33:01,440 video on my phone uh from a week ago, a little more over a week ago, of a 344 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:05,919 tractor trailer parked on East Jordan uh unloading 345 00:33:03,039 --> 00:33:14,159 and the uh loading zone in front of coyotes was empty. They had the option 346 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:19,200 to park there and they did not. Um, and I [clears throat] realize that where 347 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:24,159 to place these loading zones is a difficult decision, 348 00:33:21,519 --> 00:33:28,880 but staff's proposal, original proposal, which I believe is the most practical uh 349 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:33,493 location has craw caused great concern with the 350 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:36,960 merchants affected by that location. [clears throat] 351 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:43,039 And although I understand why these folks feel as they do, I truly believe 352 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:46,039 that their concerns are largely misplaced. 353 00:33:46,159 --> 00:33:56,480 Though it would be much easier for me personally to go along to get along on 354 00:33:52,240 --> 00:34:00,720 an issue beset with peril on all sides and an issue that can easily be 355 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:07,840 rectified if it's later determined that it needs to be. So, um, I was not going 356 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:12,960 to be able to support this. All right. All right. Is there any 357 00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:17,200 further discussion? All right. Then I have a motion and a 358 00:34:15,119 --> 00:34:18,560 second. I will call for a vote. All in favor? 359 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,079 I. Opposed? 360 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:25,599 I. Okay. Four eyes, one nay. Eyes have it. 361 00:34:23,359 --> 00:34:32,879 Motion passes. All right. 362 00:34:27,839 --> 00:34:37,040 That was the only item on our agenda. And with that, I just need a motion to 363 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,320 adjurnn. So move. 364 00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:40,480 Second. All in favor? 365 00:34:39,359 --> 00:34:47,359 I. We are adjourned. Thank you. 366 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:47,359 All right.