1 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:18,080 City Council regular meeting of Tuesday, September 8th, 2026. And I want to thank 2 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:23,680 everybody that has come here in person. It is always wonderful to see a full 3 00:01:20,159 --> 00:01:28,720 house of uh constituents and also everybody that is watching us on the 4 00:01:26,320 --> 00:01:33,360 live stream. So, thank you all for attending. I want to start by 5 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:38,479 introducing everybody that is sitting up here. On my far right is our city 6 00:01:36,159 --> 00:01:44,880 attorney M. Mckeler. Next to Mac is Councilman Lauren Wise. 7 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:49,280 Next to Lauren is Councilwoman Pamela Holder. 8 00:01:46,479 --> 00:01:55,439 Next to Pamela is Councilman and Mayor Prom Aaron Baker. I'm Mayor Moren 9 00:01:52,720 --> 00:02:02,079 Copelof. On my immediate left is our city clerk Denise Hodston. Next to 10 00:01:58,159 --> 00:02:07,759 Denise is Councilman Gary Daniel. Next to Gary is Councilman Dean Lidle. And at 11 00:02:05,119 --> 00:02:11,840 my far left is our city manager, Wilson Hooper. 12 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:20,720 And I don't think I see Reverend Rob Field 13 00:02:17,599 --> 00:02:25,599 anywhere in the audience. Okay, 14 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:29,996 just checking the door. No, I'm not seeing him walking in. That's that 15 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:34,000 that's another pastor walking in. [laughter] But I tell you, I got a whole 16 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:38,511 lot of backups here today. >> Wow. 17 00:02:35,599 --> 00:02:41,840 Yeah. [laughter] 18 00:02:40,239 --> 00:02:45,120 » Well, >> you got drafted. 19 00:02:43,751 --> 00:02:49,920 [laughter] >> I I normally would be asking Reverend 20 00:02:47,599 --> 00:02:58,216 Rob Field to stand up and give the invocation, but Rob is not here. But um 21 00:02:56,196 --> 00:02:58,216 » [laughter] 22 00:02:58,640 --> 00:03:06,560 » There it is. >> Look at this. I'm filling. [laughter] 23 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:10,662 » Okay. >> I know. 24 00:03:08,642 --> 00:03:10,662 [laughter] 25 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:17,519 » Sean, would you be willing to give the invitation? 26 00:03:15,920 --> 00:03:24,760 » Certainly. I'd be happy to. >> She just happened to walk right in. 27 00:03:20,239 --> 00:03:24,760 » Absolutely. All right. 28 00:03:26,319 --> 00:03:34,000 our source. We're grateful for this day, for this space, for the opportunity to 29 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:39,200 shuffle our feet in here, for all that happens, for the conversations that we 30 00:03:36,319 --> 00:03:44,720 have, for the business that is held, for your presence that is with us. Bless us 31 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:50,400 with the opportunity to be at our best, for this community we all call home, and 32 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:56,680 we will be grateful. Amen. >> Amen. 33 00:03:52,239 --> 00:03:56,680 And while you are standing there, 34 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:03,519 I believe you are the pastor at Brevard College. Can you tell us a little bit 35 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:06,720 about that? >> Absolutely. So, I'm the dean for 36 00:04:04,799 --> 00:04:11,920 spiritual and religious life at Brevard College. Uh I've been there for a 37 00:04:09,439 --> 00:04:17,440 growing amount of years and it's uh my honor and pleasure to work with our 38 00:04:14,959 --> 00:04:21,280 younger, most times younger and uh bright individuals who are shuffling 39 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:25,040 into this world. So that's what I get to do. 40 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:30,000 » Well, we are so glad that you do that and we are so glad to have the college 41 00:04:27,840 --> 00:04:34,560 and the young folks as part of our community and I want to thank you for 42 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:37,040 your great flexibility as you [laughter] come into the room tonight. 43 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:39,688 » Absolutely. >> Thank you. 44 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:43,360 » Thank you. [laughter] 45 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:47,880 » All right. Would everybody please stand and join me in the pledge of allegiance? 46 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:56,960 Attention, honor. I pledge algiance to the flag of the 47 00:04:53,919 --> 00:05:04,320 United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation 48 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:08,040 under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 49 00:05:09,163 --> 00:05:11,183 [clears throat] 50 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:15,919 » All right, Madame Clerk, do we have a quorum? 51 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:21,840 » Yes, Madame Mayor, you have a quorum. All members are present. All right, 52 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:27,600 council, you have the draft agenda in front of you. Are there any proposed 53 00:05:24,479 --> 00:05:34,000 modifications to the agenda? >> Yeah, I'd like to propose that we 54 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:37,759 combine items L2 and M1. Uh, I think our discussion is probably 55 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:40,800 going to be referencing one or the other. So, I think it's just best if we 56 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:45,120 tackle those, >> put it both under 57 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:48,720 » combine them both under M as M1. >> Right. 58 00:05:45,759 --> 00:05:51,759 » Okay. Very good. Mr. Manager, did you have a 59 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:56,800 » Yes, ma'am. Chief Winsel and I would like to propose a modification to item 60 00:05:54,080 --> 00:06:01,720 M3, automated license plate readers, and I'd like to ask her to come to the 61 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:01,720 podium and explain. 62 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:09,199 » Mayor and council, good evening. Over the last several months, the Bvard 63 00:06:07,759 --> 00:06:13,360 Police Department has spent a significant amount of time researching 64 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:18,560 automat automatic license plate reader technology, developing policy 65 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:22,080 safeguards, reviewing the legal issues, and presenting the proposal several 66 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:26,479 times to the public safety committee and to our community members. Through all of 67 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:31,199 the research and discussion, my professional view of the technology 68 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:35,360 remains the same. I believe ALPR cameras are incredibly valuable as investigative 69 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:39,520 tools because I've seen firsthand the difference they can make. I have seen 70 00:06:37,759 --> 00:06:43,280 these cameras help locate missing and endangered people and bring loved ones 71 00:06:41,199 --> 00:06:47,840 home. I've been able to assist in recovering stolen vehicles, identifying 72 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:51,600 vehicles connected to serious crimes, and I've seen where it has given 73 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:56,240 investigators information that help bring justice to victims of violent 74 00:06:53,360 --> 00:07:00,639 crime. Those benefits are real, and my belief in the value of the technology 75 00:06:57,759 --> 00:07:05,919 has not changed. But what has changed is my belief in that this is the right time 76 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:10,000 for Bvard to move forward with it. We held the public information session 77 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:14,720 because we wanted people to come hear what we were proposing, ask questions 78 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:20,240 and tell us how they felt. And the citizens showed up and they did exactly 79 00:07:16,479 --> 00:07:24,160 that. We heard concerns about privacy, surveillance, the potential for the 80 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:29,120 technology to expand beyond its original purpose, whether this type of technology 81 00:07:26,639 --> 00:07:33,759 belongs in a community such as ours and our size, and whether the benefit was 82 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:37,680 worth the concern that it caused within the community. People also questioned 83 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:41,280 whether the meeting was truly an opportunity to be heard and whether 84 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:45,680 showing up and speaking could actually make a difference. Of all the concerns 85 00:07:43,919 --> 00:07:50,240 voiced, the one that I heard most clearly was about trust. Trust between 86 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:55,120 the community and the Bvard Police Department. After the public information 87 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:58,639 session, we regrouped and we worked hard to address the concerns that were heard. 88 00:07:57,199 --> 00:08:03,759 We further tightened the proposed policy. We shortened retention periods, 89 00:08:01,199 --> 00:08:07,520 restricted access and sharing, added monthly auditing, and established 90 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:10,479 meaningful consequences for misuse. Without a doubt, I believe the police 91 00:08:09,039 --> 00:08:14,879 department could effectively and responsibly operate this program. But 92 00:08:13,199 --> 00:08:19,120 just because we can responsibly implement a tool does not necessarily 93 00:08:16,879 --> 00:08:21,919 mean we should implement it right now. Building trust within the community is 94 00:08:20,639 --> 00:08:26,400 more important to me than winning the approval of technology. 95 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:30,800 The APL cameras proposed as part of a larger axon package which also included 96 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:34,880 new tasers and bodywn cameras for our officers. We will continue moving 97 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:41,519 forward with the tasers and the bodywn cameras, but not the ALR ALPR portion 98 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:44,720 proposed in the budget. I was recently asked what would prevent Bvard Police 99 00:08:43,279 --> 00:08:49,360 Department from simply bringing back ALPR cameras at a later date without the 100 00:08:47,279 --> 00:08:54,240 same level of public discussion. The answer is simple, our desire to be 101 00:08:51,680 --> 00:08:57,920 transparent. If Bvard Police Department was ever to consider ALPR technology 102 00:08:56,320 --> 00:09:02,000 again, it would require significant budget requests that would come before 103 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:05,760 council. any future consideration would be handled openly with the same 104 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:09,680 commitment to public information and transparency we have maintained 105 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:13,680 throughout our entire process. Again, this is not a statement that we feel 106 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:17,279 ALPR technology is bad, ineffective or without value. It is simply an 107 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:21,600 acknowledgement that our community has expressed significant concern and at 108 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:25,271 that point listening carries greater value than moving forward with 109 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:27,519 technology. [clears throat] 110 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:30,959 Right now, I believe it is the best decision for the Bvard Police Department 111 00:09:28,959 --> 00:09:35,200 to listen. We asked for the community's voice and they gave it to us and it 112 00:09:33,279 --> 00:09:37,839 mattered. Therefore, I'm respectfully withdrawing the Bvard Police 113 00:09:36,399 --> 00:09:42,000 Department's request to implement a proposed ALPR program and ask that the 114 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:45,631 council take no further action at this time. Thank you. [applause] 115 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:54,320 All right. [applause] All right, guys. 116 00:09:52,320 --> 00:10:00,800 Come on. All right. So, Mr. Manager, you are you 117 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:04,560 are asking to withdraw item >> M3. [clears throat] 118 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:08,640 » M3 off of the agenda. All right. Council, any further modifications to 119 00:10:06,959 --> 00:10:12,480 the agenda? >> I don't know if this is the time to say 120 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:21,920 it or not, but I would like to see the agenda that Aaron proposed that we leave 121 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:28,519 it as it is. L2 and was the other one? M >> he was combined. He combined L2. see 122 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:28,519 remain separate. 123 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:36,079 » Okay. Well, we'll have to vote on >> way to go. 124 00:10:34,560 --> 00:10:45,680 » All right. Right now, what we have is a proposal to 125 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:54,399 have a modified agenda with M3, the automated license plate readers, removed 126 00:10:49,767 --> 00:10:58,800 [clears throat] and M1 and L2 combined. Do I have a motion to approve that 127 00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:01,120 modified agenda? >> So moved. 128 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:02,880 » Do I have a second? >> Second. 129 00:11:02,867 --> 00:11:05,880 [clears throat] >> Okay. 130 00:11:07,519 --> 00:11:10,640 All in favor? >> I 131 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:12,880 » opposed. >> Opposed. 132 00:11:11,519 --> 00:11:22,160 » Opposed. >> So, two nos and three yeses. 133 00:11:17,519 --> 00:11:28,120 So, the modified agenda passes. All right. 134 00:11:23,839 --> 00:11:28,120 So, we've got an agenda. 135 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:35,920 Council, you've got the June 5th, 2026 specially 136 00:11:33,519 --> 00:11:40,880 called budget workshop minutes. Are there any corrections or modifications 137 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:43,519 to those minutes? Do I have a motion to approve those 138 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:47,360 minutes? >> So moved. 139 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:49,760 » Do I have a second? >> Second. 140 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:52,720 » All in favor? >> I 141 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:58,240 » opposed. Minutes are approved. You also have the 142 00:11:55,120 --> 00:12:03,680 minutes of the August 17, 2026 regular meeting. Do I have a motion? Are there 143 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:07,920 any uh modifications or corrections to those minutes? 144 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:10,240 Do I have a motion to approve those minutes? 145 00:12:09,279 --> 00:12:12,959 » So moved. >> Do I have a second? 146 00:12:11,839 --> 00:12:15,279 » Second. >> All in favor? 147 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:21,360 » I >> opposed. Those minutes are approved. All 148 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:26,959 right. We are going to go forward into certificates, awards, and recognition. 149 00:12:23,519 --> 00:12:29,959 And we have two wonderful proclamations tonight. 150 00:12:41,839 --> 00:12:49,920 All right. Our first proclamation is for the 30th anniversary of Rise and Shine. 151 00:12:46,959 --> 00:12:55,279 And I would like to ask Maurice Jones, the executive director of Rise and 152 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:58,720 Shine, and anyone else Maurice that you wanted to join you up here. I don't know 153 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:01,920 if you brought anyone else from the organization. 154 00:13:00,079 --> 00:13:07,200 » There are a lot of supporters and partners. 155 00:13:03,519 --> 00:13:11,079 » I can see that. Okay. It's been such a great 156 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:20,000 pleasure to 157 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:24,800 proclamation number 2026 21 the 30th anniversary of rise in 158 00:13:23,279 --> 00:13:32,800 shine. Whereas in response to public 159 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:38,480 clan rallies held in Bvard in 1988 and again in 1992 160 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:45,760 An interracial group gathered by social activist FA Walker began to meet monthly 161 00:13:42,079 --> 00:13:51,839 for dialogue around dismantling racism, racial justice and reconciliation. 162 00:13:49,519 --> 00:13:56,240 Whereas after this coalition called friends hosted a series of talks 163 00:13:54,639 --> 00:14:04,560 entitled racism everybody's problem at Bethl A 164 00:14:00,399 --> 00:14:09,600 Baptist Church. it Frederick Gordon suggested steps to be taken to help 165 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:15,120 underserved children and families beginning with the youngest. 166 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:19,920 Whereas Pastor Gordon and FA Walker worked together diligently in 167 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:26,320 collaboration with parents and community members to design an afterchool program 168 00:14:23,519 --> 00:14:31,920 built around individual attention and the encouragement of children and their 169 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:37,440 families with its signature to be daily one tutoring. 170 00:14:34,639 --> 00:14:42,560 Whereas the founders recruited teams of volunteer tutors and mentors from local 171 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:47,760 churches and community based organizations 172 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:54,480 and inaugurated the rise and shine after school program in October of 1996 173 00:14:52,240 --> 00:15:00,000 with a handful of students called scholars in attendance. 174 00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:06,000 Whereas in the following 30 years the program has been nurtured by countless 175 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:12,160 devoted community volunteers and institutions and supported by local 176 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:18,320 businesses and individuals to serve a capacity of 50 scholars each year. 177 00:15:15,839 --> 00:15:24,560 Whereas the legacy of enriching children, empowering parents, 178 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:29,199 encouraging community, and building the beloved community of racial justice and 179 00:15:27,519 --> 00:15:35,839 reconciliation has become the hallmark of rise and 180 00:15:31,519 --> 00:15:42,240 shine. Now therefore, I, Moren Kopalof, mayor of the city of Bvard, hereby honor 181 00:15:38,959 --> 00:15:47,920 the 30th anniversary of Rise and Shine and ask our citizens to extend their 182 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:53,035 appreciation for the exemplary work Rise and Shine continues to do in our 183 00:15:50,639 --> 00:15:55,055 community. >> [applause] 184 00:15:57,620 --> 00:15:59,640 [applause] 185 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:07,440 » Tell us a little bit. I think you're having a big birthday celebration, 186 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:14,079 right? Tell us about that. >> Um, Roger will be celebrating it 30th 187 00:16:10,079 --> 00:16:18,639 anniversary with a gall that's held at the Parker Concert Hall. Tickets are 188 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:23,519 still available. We would love for all of you to come join us. We want to 189 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:29,040 celebrate this great organization and great thing about it is people like you, 190 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:35,199 everyone in this citizen in this room that helps organizations like we have so 191 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:41,600 many nonprofits over 400 192 00:16:38,399 --> 00:16:48,079 and it's amazing how we support our own how we come in 193 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:51,839 uh help we help fund we do all things keep 194 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:57,079 what you guys have done for rise and shine. 195 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:57,079 Rise and shine. 196 00:16:57,199 --> 00:17:02,800 Please come to this event and enjoy and celebrate with us. 197 00:17:01,839 --> 00:17:09,120 » October 3rd. >> October 3rd. 6 p.m. 198 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:12,959 » And as always, a fun event. It's one of my favorite gayas of the year. 199 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:18,520 » You'll be there, right? >> I absolutely am going to be there. I'm 200 00:17:14,959 --> 00:17:18,520 one of your sponsors. 201 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:25,760 Anyways, Rise and Shine is an incredible organization. I've been involved with it 202 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:31,919 a lot longer than I've been involved in politics here. It goes way back and they 203 00:17:29,120 --> 00:17:38,320 do such an incredible job with the scholars, you know, just teaching them 204 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:43,919 not just academic subjects and I think they have like 100% graduation ready for 205 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:46,720 high school. Yes. And you're gonna keep that up, right? 206 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:52,080 Okay. >> But they also teach them really 207 00:17:49,039 --> 00:17:57,600 self-confidence and selfresect and just things that are so important for success 208 00:17:55,039 --> 00:18:02,480 in today's world. So it is a wonderful program that supports our children and I 209 00:18:00,799 --> 00:18:07,520 couldn't be happier than to recognize his 30th uh anniversary and I look 210 00:18:05,360 --> 00:18:13,262 forward to seeing everybody at their gaya. So thank you Maurice. 211 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:13,262 » Thank you very much. [applause] 212 00:18:15,827 --> 00:18:17,847 » [applause] 213 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:27,440 » All right. And our next proclamation is for Constitution. And we have several 214 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:33,919 members of our local Still Avery chapter of coming up. We've 215 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:40,400 got Sharon Powell and we've got uh Nina Brown and Nina is actually Nina. Oh, 216 00:18:37,360 --> 00:18:47,120 Nina. Sorry. Yes. Oh, okay. Get that one. Um But uh Nina is actually the 217 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:50,080 district or you're >> the second 218 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:55,600 » person agent. Okay. Well, so we've got the big 219 00:18:52,720 --> 00:19:00,480 big guys here, [laughter] >> but we appreciate um you know, I was 220 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:06,640 just saying that, you know, I see them at so many events and you know, one of 221 00:19:03,679 --> 00:19:12,960 the things that's so important today is to teach people about and about the 222 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:18,080 constitution, about is important in our country and the D really steps up and 223 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:26,799 does that in so many different forums throughout the world. So with this 224 00:19:20,799 --> 00:19:32,559 proclamation number 2026 22 constitution whereas the constitution of the United 225 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:37,280 States of America the guardian of our liberties embodies the principles of 226 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:44,160 limited government in a republic dedicated to rule by law 227 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:49,360 where September 17th, 2026 marks the 239th 228 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:53,600 anniversary of the drafting of the Constitution of the United States of 229 00:19:51,360 --> 00:20:00,080 America by the Constitutional Convention. Whereas it is fitting and 230 00:19:56,720 --> 00:20:05,520 proper to official recognition to this magnificent document and its memorable 231 00:20:02,799 --> 00:20:13,039 anniversary and to the patriotic celebrations which will commemorate the 232 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:17,679 occasion. Whereas public 915 guarantees the issuing of a proclamation each year 233 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:25,760 by the president of the United States of America designating September 17 through 234 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:30,880 2030 as Constitution Week. Now therefore I Moren Kop by virtue of the authority 235 00:20:28,799 --> 00:20:37,919 vested in me as mayor of the city of Bvard do hereby proclaim the week of 236 00:20:34,159 --> 00:20:43,760 September 17 through 23 as constitution week in the city of Bard and ask our 237 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:51,360 citizens to reaffirm the ideals the framers of the constitution had in 1787 238 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:55,440 by vigilantly protecting the freedoms guaranteed to us through this guardian 239 00:20:53,919 --> 00:21:00,559 of our liberty. remembering that lost rights may never 240 00:20:58,159 --> 00:21:04,520 be. Thank you very much, ladies. 241 00:21:09,404 --> 00:21:11,424 [laughter] 242 00:21:12,024 --> 00:21:14,044 » [applause] 243 00:21:19,679 --> 00:21:30,360 » chapter of the D continues to work with school children and adults, people who 244 00:21:26,559 --> 00:21:30,360 have what 245 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:41,360 and so we just try to instill that and bring that back to life. 246 00:21:37,120 --> 00:21:41,360 » Well, I just might add that we give 247 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:54,600 Most years graders specifically 248 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:11,360 have my pocket constitution. 249 00:22:09,679 --> 00:22:16,919 my desk in my office. >> Good for you. 250 00:22:13,679 --> 00:22:16,919 » Thank you. 251 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:36,679 » All right, we are moving into public comment. 252 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:45,280 The public is invited to speak during public comment at this time on any topic 253 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:50,640 unless it is a public hearing item on the agenda. Anyone who wants to speak 254 00:22:48,559 --> 00:22:56,080 must register with the city clerk, which is the signup sheet. When it is your 255 00:22:53,679 --> 00:23:01,679 turn, step to the podium in front of city council. State your name and 256 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:06,240 address clearly. Limit comments to three minutes or less and avoid repetition. 257 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:12,000 And I will give you a warning when you have 30 seconds left. Direct comments to 258 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:16,799 the full council, not to an individual council member or to staff. Now I will 259 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:22,679 call people up in the order that you signed. Our first speaker is Ashley 260 00:23:19,679 --> 00:23:22,679 Hart. 261 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:34,000 Hello, mayor, city council, and staff. Hello, everybody. I hope you're having a 262 00:23:31,039 --> 00:23:39,840 great day. I wanted to thank the police chief for what she said. The people 263 00:23:37,360 --> 00:23:45,200 appreciate the fact that you ended that. Thank you so much for standing up for 264 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:49,039 the people and what the people wanted because it's the people you have to make 265 00:23:46,799 --> 00:23:54,400 happy. Thank you guys all for participating in 266 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:57,600 that properly. The people of Bvard do not want to be under surveillance and I 267 00:23:56,320 --> 00:24:01,840 don't want them to be under surveillance either. I had a big speech I I was going 268 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:06,080 to give you guys, but you guys switched it up. So, I'm gonna switch [laughter] 269 00:24:03,039 --> 00:24:11,360 it up. Um, so it's Constitution Week, September 17th through September 23rd. 270 00:24:09,679 --> 00:24:15,480 The signing of the Constitution was September 17th, 1787. 271 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:23,919 The United States Constitution brings with um begins with the most important 272 00:24:20,799 --> 00:24:28,960 three words, we the people. Those words remind us that the Constitution belongs 273 00:24:25,919 --> 00:24:32,456 to the people. Our government deres its authority from the consent of the 274 00:24:30,559 --> 00:24:35,919 governed. [snorts] Preserving liberty is not 275 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:41,760 solely the responsibility of elected officials. It's it also is required from 276 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:48,000 the people to be engaged and to understand the constitution. 277 00:24:45,919 --> 00:24:54,440 We have a responsibility to pass these principles of liberty and 278 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:54,440 self-government to future generations. 279 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:02,000 I was going to ask you guys to vote no on it. [laughter] 280 00:25:00,799 --> 00:25:06,720 I was I was going to ask you guys to please vote no on it and you guys did 281 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:12,559 that without me having to ask you. So again, I praise you guys for holding a 282 00:25:09,120 --> 00:25:16,960 public forum for the people to speak. I live in Transennsylvania County. They 283 00:25:13,919 --> 00:25:21,760 did not provide us with that and um it really mattered. So I wanted to thank 284 00:25:19,279 --> 00:25:26,799 you guys. It really opened my eyes up and um I'm proud of you guys for making 285 00:25:25,120 --> 00:25:30,400 the right choice for the people that you represent. 286 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:34,799 And I'm going to end with the same line I 287 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:39,760 was going to end my speech with. We the people are where it begins and we're 288 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:43,252 also where it ends. Thank you. >> Thank you, Miss Hart. [applause] 289 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:52,320 Okay. Our next speaker is >> Robert. 290 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:55,120 » Robert. >> I'll help you. [laughter] 291 00:25:53,679 --> 00:25:59,840 » All right. All right. Robert, what's your last name? I can't 292 00:25:57,279 --> 00:26:02,880 » J A Z O W S K I. >> Okay. 293 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:06,832 » So, not only is it hard to say, >> I have a hard time. [laughter] 294 00:26:07,039 --> 00:26:14,640 » So, [clears throat] uh, good evening. Thank you for having 295 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:20,400 me here. So, I wrote this God's Hour yesterday 296 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:24,720 and probably haven't slept a heck of a lot since then, but I did go through 297 00:26:22,559 --> 00:26:30,080 this and I wanted to hit all my bullet points. Fortunately, 298 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:34,240 our sheriff heard us and I truly appreciate that. There's nothing like 299 00:26:32,159 --> 00:26:39,120 being heard of being, you know, a citizen being heard and having the 300 00:26:36,799 --> 00:26:42,640 engagement and having the action the action of actually following people. 301 00:26:41,039 --> 00:26:48,400 » So, thank you very much. I truly appreciate that. 302 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:53,919 » Um, I'm no fan of the I'm I'm no fan of the cameras. I'm no fan of the system 303 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:58,480 behind it. Um, and I'm just going to kind of leave it at that, but uh I don't 304 00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:00,880 want want to keep this moving along. So, thank you very much and have a wonderful 305 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:08,120 evening. >> Thank you. 306 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:08,120 Our next speaker is Rodney Locks. 307 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:21,448 Good evening, council. My name is Rodney Locks. I live at 187 South Rice Street. 308 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:23,468 I'm here to say vote no. [laughter] 309 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:30,559 And using the Rosenwall funds [clears throat] for the extension of the 310 00:27:28,799 --> 00:27:35,600 sore lines. 311 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:42,000 And it baffles me to realize that that's your only option. 312 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:49,520 There's got to be some other funding source to fund the sewer line. 313 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:54,399 But the city has not given you another option. 314 00:27:52,240 --> 00:28:00,960 And I know in most cases you have more than one option. And you have rejected 315 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:07,120 those options before. and I ask you to reject this option and find another 316 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:13,760 option for extending the short sewer line. When you get to M3, my top 317 00:28:09,919 --> 00:28:18,720 priority is using the money as seed money for the shelter and the bathrooms. 318 00:28:16,799 --> 00:28:24,159 There are lots of projects on there that are nice. One of the projects that's not 319 00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:29,520 on there is storm water. Our other big issue is 320 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:34,480 storm water. and I'd appreciate it if you think about that and figure out 321 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:40,104 address the storm water issue in Rosemont. Thank you. 322 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:40,104 » Thank you. [applause] 323 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:47,964 » Our next speaker is Frankie Gordon. [cough and clears throat] 324 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:05,039 Good afternoon to the mayor and city council board. I'm River Frankie El 325 00:29:03,039 --> 00:29:10,799 Gordon and my address is Silverstein Drive here in Bard. 326 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:16,320 My home is located in Mickey Park and my concern is the removal of the tannery 327 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:22,880 and I would like to know I will ask the question, have the city put in place a 328 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:31,600 plan to remove any creature that is located in that stacker at the moment? 329 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:35,840 um before it is torn down. So I just I just asked that question. Have the city 330 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:42,919 put something in place to eliminate them before the stacker come down? Thank you. 331 00:29:39,279 --> 00:29:42,919 » Thank you, Miss Gordon. 332 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:51,880 Our next speaker is Heath Carter. Did I get there? Okay. 333 00:29:54,799 --> 00:30:00,799 » Write my down on there, but it's 135 Milbourne Ridge in Pisca Forest, North 334 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,600 Carolina. [laughter] >> 135 Milbour 335 00:30:02,159 --> 00:30:07,200 » Milbour. >> Pisca Forest. 336 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:12,399 » And how do you spell your last name? >> C A R T E. 337 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:18,080 » Thank you. >> Um, and I'd come to speak on the ALPRS, 338 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:22,640 but looks like that's done. So, thank you. I I'm impressed. When I was in, I 339 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:27,919 wish I could have got a chance to work for someone like you. That's impressive. 340 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:32,159 Thank you. And anybody that voted along with what she said, thank you as 341 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:34,320 well. That's all. >> Thank you. 342 00:30:32,799 --> 00:30:38,159 » Oh, and you're supporting the roadless rule. Thank you very, very much. That 343 00:30:36,159 --> 00:30:44,480 helps what I currently do. >> Thank you. 344 00:30:41,279 --> 00:30:48,200 » All right. Our next speaker is Abraham Stratton. 345 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:56,880 » Good evening. My name is Abraham Stratton and I live with my family at 21 346 00:30:54,320 --> 00:31:01,840 Barbberry Heights Drive off of Island Ford Road. Our family moved here about 347 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:06,480 three years ago and I serve as one of the pastors at Bethany Baptist Church um 348 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:11,760 right off of Queenville Highway past the elementary school and before you get to 349 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:16,000 Wilson Road. Um I serve alongside of Paul Wit who Coach Wit coached Bvard 350 00:31:14,399 --> 00:31:20,000 High School basketball team for several years. Some of you [clears throat] may 351 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:27,520 know him. Uh, two things. I just wanted first to thank council for your work on 352 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:32,240 the July 4th America 250 celebration. Um, our family really enjoyed that and I 353 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:35,520 am grateful especially for the public reading of the Declaration of 354 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:41,760 Independence. As we heard earlier regarding the Constitution, I think uh 355 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:45,919 having our citizenry more familiar with our founding documents is always a good 356 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:50,320 thing. And so I'm grateful to each of you for your participation in that. and 357 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:54,159 I would be an advocate for reading the Declaration of Independence every July 358 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:58,080 4th. But thank you for your work to do that. And the second thing is I wanted 359 00:31:56,159 --> 00:32:02,880 to let you all know that I pray for you on a regular basis and our church prays 360 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:07,440 for you. Uh this past Sunday, we actually prayed for you in our morning 361 00:32:04,159 --> 00:32:11,840 service on Sunday. So in the Bible, God tells his children to pray for their 362 00:32:09,279 --> 00:32:16,320 leaders. So I pray for you, Mayor Marine Kopalof. I pray for our city council 363 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:21,120 members. I pray for our sheriff and our other leaders. So, I wanted you all to 364 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:26,320 know that we're grateful for your work and uh I know you sit in hard seats and 365 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:30,960 make hard decisions and so I pray for you to make decisions which are for the 366 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:34,960 flourishing of our community and not for personal agendas but for the good of our 367 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:39,837 our citizens. So, thank you for the work that you do. 368 00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,837 » Thank you. [applause] 369 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:45,732 » Our next speaker is Sheila Mooney. [clears throat] 370 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:57,840 Mayor, council members, I'm Sheila Mooney. I live right down the street at 371 00:32:54,640 --> 00:33:03,200 34 Mills Avenue. Thank you, Mayor and Council members. 372 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:08,559 I'd like to thank the young lady that reminded us of the statement in the 373 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:12,960 Constitution, we the people. Like to thank the chief for her statement about 374 00:33:10,799 --> 00:33:15,960 the importance of listening to said people. 375 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:25,200 So, thank you for your service to the city of Bvard and thank you to the whole 376 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:30,640 city of Bvard. Thank you for acknowledging our beautiful Rosenwall 377 00:33:27,679 --> 00:33:35,320 community. Thank you for understanding the value of our rich history. 378 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:46,480 And because we trusted you, we voted for you and we expect you to treat Rosenal 379 00:33:44,159 --> 00:33:53,519 with the same fairness, compassion, consideration, and the trust 380 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:58,880 that we put into you. Rosenwall is very important to us. As you heard about the 381 00:33:56,399 --> 00:34:09,200 rise and shine program, it's more than that. I was here in 1988. 382 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:15,440 I was here in 1998. I was here in 1963. And that means something to us. So, 383 00:34:12,079 --> 00:34:21,079 please consider we the people of Rosen Mall. Thank you. 384 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:21,079 » Thank you, Miss Money. 385 00:34:21,308 --> 00:34:27,879 [applause] >> Our next speaker is Harvey Seni. 386 00:34:38,240 --> 00:34:48,000 My name is Harvey Sanki. I live 51 uh trail uh lakehouse trail in Bard. 387 00:34:46,079 --> 00:34:52,320 Good evening, Madame Mayor and city council members. 388 00:34:50,079 --> 00:34:57,119 I attended all of the safety committee meetings at [cough and clears throat] 389 00:34:53,520 --> 00:35:02,079 the public meeting on September 1st that discussed the placing of three acts on 390 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:06,240 cameras where crime data would be appropriate. 391 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:12,880 The safety committee asked many questions which were answered by the 392 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:18,320 chief of police, the city attorney and the city manager. I have attended many 393 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:25,280 committee meetings over the past three years and this request was among the 394 00:35:21,839 --> 00:35:28,640 most thoroughly researched by any commission. [clears throat] 395 00:35:26,720 --> 00:35:35,040 I want to thank that committee for the work they did on the research. And I 396 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:43,440 want to thank everybody who participated in this uh in the in the committee and 397 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:49,359 also Chief for the work that she did, the city attorney for the work that he 398 00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:56,320 did, and also Wilson Hooper for the work that he did. I am a little disappointed 399 00:35:52,800 --> 00:36:02,560 at the outcome, but I appreciate what you've done and how you've handled it, 400 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:09,920 and I hope we can continue on with a very good relationship with the police 401 00:36:06,079 --> 00:36:15,935 department in the future. Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. Seni. 402 00:36:12,079 --> 00:36:19,920 Our next speaker is Doug Powell. [cough and clears throat] 403 00:36:17,900 --> 00:36:19,920 » [snorts] 404 00:36:21,599 --> 00:36:28,000 » Good evening, Madame Mayor, council members, and staff. I trust everyone had 405 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:31,680 a very restful Labor Day weekend. I would like to commend the city council 406 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:35,760 on a couple of things this evening. First, taking your oath of office 407 00:36:33,359 --> 00:36:40,079 seriously and specifically a commitment to the first amendment. As you know, any 408 00:36:38,079 --> 00:36:43,839 legitimate government derives its just powers from the consent of the govern. 409 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:48,480 And the first amendment is an American citizens mechanism to voice their 410 00:36:45,599 --> 00:36:52,079 concern, displeasure, or agreement with a policy, ordinance, or law that is 411 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:56,560 being contemplated by you, our representatives. By you and your staff 412 00:36:54,720 --> 00:37:00,400 organizing the town hall meeting last week to present information to us, the 413 00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:06,240 citizens of Bvard and Transsylvania County, regarding the Axon surveillance 414 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:09,920 cameras, uh our go our five god-given freedoms of the First Amendment were on 415 00:37:07,839 --> 00:37:14,720 full display. One, our freedom of religion in vo voicing our rights of 416 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:18,800 conscience as sovereign individuals. Two, our freedom of speech and openly 417 00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:22,800 expressing our views on the subject. Three, our freedom of the press with 418 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:27,280 those of the media who were present plus those who express their views on social 419 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:31,520 media. Our freedom of four, our freedom of assembly as we came together as a 420 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:35,680 citizens citizenry in the same place. And five, perhaps our least remembered 421 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:40,240 right to petition our government for redress of grievances. This is our right 422 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:44,400 to freely express any complaints to those we have trusted to lead us. I 423 00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:49,599 would like to express thanks to Chief Wel for the thorough assessment of the 424 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:55,440 Axon surveillance cameras from her department's point of view and the 425 00:37:51,359 --> 00:38:00,320 respectful listening to our uh concerns and the decision tonight and also an 426 00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:04,079 appreciation of how city staff made sure that everyone who felt compelled to 427 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:08,880 speak was given that opportunity including questions and answers as the 428 00:38:06,720 --> 00:38:14,240 mayor. so eloquently reminded us a few moments ago uh in the in the council's 429 00:38:11,839 --> 00:38:18,960 constitution week proclamation, lost rights may never be regained. That is 430 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:23,040 why we need to guard our liberties with vigor and ferveny, whether that be the 431 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:27,359 first amendment, the fourth amendment, or any other any of our other 432 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:31,760 constitutional rights. What I gleaned from the town hall was overwhelming 433 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:35,440 support of law enforcement while still holding a legitimate distrust of 434 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:40,400 third-party data collection companies and the possibility of other government 435 00:38:37,119 --> 00:38:44,079 agencies to access that data too. One thing that wasn't said in the meeting 436 00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:49,680 was Axon entered into a commercial partnership with Flock Safety on April 437 00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:53,040 2, 2020, indicating their desire for those two companies to be fully 438 00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:57,760 integrated and throwing around terms like vehicle fingerprint technology. It 439 00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:01,760 is not a giant leap to conclude that if our data is collected and stored, even 440 00:39:00,079 --> 00:39:06,320 if it is intended to be used only by local law enforcement, it is not a 441 00:39:03,599 --> 00:39:10,240 matter of if, but when another state >> or federal agency will come knocking. 442 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:13,520 And lastly, how many government agencies and private corporations have been 443 00:39:11,599 --> 00:39:18,160 hacked, compromised, or their data been breached? Our data being safe in the 444 00:39:15,599 --> 00:39:21,200 cloud is impossible to guarantee. So, thank you again for protecting our 445 00:39:19,599 --> 00:39:25,200 God-given rights under the Constitution this past week, and may you continue to 446 00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:29,839 hone your understanding of its original intent and meaning, as this is your 447 00:39:27,599 --> 00:39:34,000 constitutional duty as representatives of our dear city of Brevard. Happy 448 00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:37,640 Constitution Week. >> Thank you, Mr. Powell. 449 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:48,880 Okay, our next speaker, I'm trying to read your name. 450 00:39:45,119 --> 00:39:54,762 Lane Hurlinger. >> Did I get that sort of close? Okay. 451 00:39:52,742 --> 00:39:54,762 [clears throat] 452 00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:05,359 » My name is Lane Hurlinger. I live at 1131 Sutton Creek Road. Um, yeah, I also 453 00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:10,480 had a whole spiel of things to write off and read. Um, but I'll spare y'all. Um, 454 00:40:08,240 --> 00:40:13,839 also I apologize for my appearance. Um, I came straight from work. I had planned 455 00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:18,560 to, you know, go home, take a shower, and look a little bit more presentable, 456 00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:24,000 but, uh, you know, today's day kind of took a turn. Um, and 457 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:29,040 so, I'll switch it up from what I wrote and tell you that, um, you know, Chief 458 00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:33,119 Wel, I really appreciate you. I wanted to be there last Tuesday to be at that 459 00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:36,880 meeting. Um, you know, life took a turn as well, but 460 00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:41,680 um, I fully support your decision and and listening to the people, man, that 461 00:40:38,720 --> 00:40:44,720 means so much to me. Um, first time I saw one of those cameras, it like, man, 462 00:40:43,359 --> 00:40:48,480 it felt like I had a girlfriend who cheated on me. I was I was so 463 00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:53,040 disappointed, dude, my heart sunk. I was like, "No way. What is happening?" Um, 464 00:40:51,599 --> 00:40:58,720 so I really appreciate you listening to us. It really um, you know, makes me 465 00:40:56,640 --> 00:41:04,160 want to stand behind you, all of our elected officials. um and you know 466 00:41:02,079 --> 00:41:09,359 support y'all because y'all listened and uh you know we appreciate that. That 467 00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:13,839 means more to us than you realize. So thanks for listening and and I think 468 00:41:11,599 --> 00:41:17,280 doing ultimately doing the right thing. Um we really appreciate it and I hope 469 00:41:15,599 --> 00:41:21,359 everybody has a killer week. >> Thank you. 470 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:27,359 All right, that is everybody that signed up for public comment. 471 00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:33,200 All right, we will move on to the public hearing. 472 00:41:29,839 --> 00:41:38,560 And we have one public hearing. It is a proposed amendment to the city of Bvard 473 00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:44,720 traffic schedule to add a stop sign on Thomas Street at the intersection with 474 00:41:40,720 --> 00:41:47,119 West Main Street. And I believe our city manager is going to walk us through 475 00:41:46,319 --> 00:41:50,960 this. >> Shnie, would you mind coming up and 476 00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:55,760 pulling the picture up from the agenda? Uh, yes, ma'am. Mayor, so there's an 477 00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:59,839 appendix to our code of ordinance called the traffic schedule. And the traffic 478 00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:03,359 schedule lists every four-way stop, every three-way stop, every stop 479 00:42:01,779 --> 00:42:08,800 [clears throat] light, every two-hour parking zone. Anything that has anything 480 00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:14,960 to do with roads and streets in the town is listed in the traffic schedule. Um, 481 00:42:12,079 --> 00:42:19,359 and to update it requires council approval. Now, what it doesn't require 482 00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:23,440 is a public hearing. And so in the months to come, I'm going to ask the 483 00:42:21,599 --> 00:42:29,599 public safety committee if maybe we can streamline this process by having these 484 00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:33,200 on consent rather than subject to a public hearing because traffic 485 00:42:31,119 --> 00:42:37,839 engineering is a science and I think that it ought to be guided by the 486 00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:44,079 science rather than uh by public comments. But uh in this case, the uh 487 00:42:42,079 --> 00:42:48,800 intersection in question is Thomas Street and West Main Street. This is the 488 00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:52,960 residential part of West Main Street. Um, as you can see from the map there, 489 00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:57,520 Jordan approaches it at an oblique angle, which makes the sight lines 490 00:42:55,520 --> 00:43:01,760 difficult. And what you can't see on this map is that both of those sides of 491 00:42:59,839 --> 00:43:06,800 West Main Street are coming downhill. So, this is kind of in a bathtub, so to 492 00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:10,880 speak. And there's the potential for folks coming at excessive speeds from 493 00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:15,280 both sides. We're still trying to tackle that problem and figure out some traffic 494 00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:20,400 calming solutions that might work, but in the meantime, we want to make this 495 00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:25,040 interse intersection safer in uh ways that we know will work. And one of those 496 00:43:22,079 --> 00:43:31,520 is changing this yield sign. Shaunie, if you'll go down to the next picture 497 00:43:28,079 --> 00:43:36,720 to a stop sign so that uh cars coming down Thomas Street will be required to 498 00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:41,040 stop and look both ways. We find that now with a yield sign there, uh they 499 00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:46,640 might not and they might pull out in front of a car that's uh coming down the 500 00:43:44,079 --> 00:43:50,960 hill on either side. Uh the other thing that we're going to do, and we might 501 00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:55,599 have already done this, uh but if not, we're going to do it soon, is go out and 502 00:43:52,720 --> 00:44:00,720 trim back some uh foliage that's growing into the ride ofway on both sides of 503 00:43:58,319 --> 00:44:05,920 this picture and obstructing the sight line. And so we think that between 504 00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:11,280 changing this to a stop and trimming back those um sight line obstructions, 505 00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:17,040 we will make this intersection a little bit safer. Um but we're not done with it 506 00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:21,440 yet. And so for tonight, I'm asking you to hold a public hearing on this 507 00:44:18,720 --> 00:44:26,640 proposal. And if you're willing, go ahead and pass this proposal so that we 508 00:44:23,839 --> 00:44:30,960 can go ahead and uh install that stop stop sign and and repaint that stop bar 509 00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:37,040 there which you can see is kind of faded in the picture. And if you are willing 510 00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:41,040 to take action tonight, the um required ordinance is in front of you. We 511 00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:44,880 accidentally omitted that from the agenda package and so it's here on the 512 00:44:43,359 --> 00:44:49,599 sheet in front of you if you're ready to take action. 513 00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:53,520 » Right. Thank you, Mr. Manager. Council, this is a public hearing. Do I have a 514 00:44:51,599 --> 00:44:55,359 motion to officially open the public hearing? 515 00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:57,599 » So moved. >> Second. 516 00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:02,400 » All in favor? >> I. 517 00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:08,800 » The public hearing is officially open. However, no one signed up to comment at 518 00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:13,520 the public hearing. So 519 00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:18,720 I will go ahead and close. >> Oh, wait. Is there somebody wants to 520 00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:23,839 comment? I will I will allow that. Mr. Jones, you 521 00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:28,240 may comment on the public hearing. Let me give you the rules. 522 00:45:26,079 --> 00:45:33,599 » Although I'm sure [laughter] I think I think after however 523 00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:36,880 » I think you know it have been a while. So 524 00:45:34,079 --> 00:45:41,119 » you have five minutes or less. Okay. I'll leave it at that. 525 00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:47,440 » Okay. Well, I I just want to thank you for allowing me to uh speak a little bit 526 00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:51,040 about this. Um hopefully your meeting won't go too long 527 00:45:49,119 --> 00:45:55,440 tonight because I know how that usually tends to happen. 528 00:45:52,480 --> 00:46:01,040 » But um I live right across the street so I see that 529 00:45:58,240 --> 00:46:07,040 from my porch every day all day when I'm at home. 530 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:11,599 I don't believe that I've seen any issues there. But I will tell you when 531 00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:19,680 you're coming down Thomas Street, it is difficult to see towards your left 532 00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:25,119 um and right. So a stop sign there could help, but in most cases, most cars have 533 00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:30,960 to stop just so they can see if a car is coming because you have to kind of roll 534 00:46:27,359 --> 00:46:35,040 out into the street to look that way. But if you're going to do some uh 535 00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:40,640 cleanup, cutting back some of that brush, um I believe that will definitely 536 00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:46,400 be something that will help with the line of sight coming through there. But 537 00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:51,599 um as as of now, I haven't seen much of an issue. But there is if you're driving 538 00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:57,920 through there sometimes difficulty to see traffic coming. So having a stop 539 00:46:55,280 --> 00:47:03,680 sign there, will it make a big difference? I'm not sure. Time will 540 00:46:59,599 --> 00:47:10,000 tell, but uh it's a it's a good thing that you're taking the time going around 541 00:47:07,119 --> 00:47:15,359 the city of Bvard looking at issues like this and I understand how long that 542 00:47:11,839 --> 00:47:19,280 takes. Um, so I just want to say kudos and I think that could make a big 543 00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:25,440 difference for those individuals traveling down Thomas and for those 544 00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:29,839 traveling up and down West Maine because it could it could be an issue there, but 545 00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:35,200 I haven't seen one over the past couple of years. Thank you. 546 00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:40,800 » Thank you, Mr. Jones. All right. Nobody else has signed up for the public 547 00:47:37,839 --> 00:47:44,560 hearing. Okay. Council, do I have a motion to close the 548 00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,760 public hearing? >> So, move. 549 00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,440 » Second. >> All in favor? 550 00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:52,960 » I. >> Public hearing is now officially closed. 551 00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:58,160 I will open it up now for questions and comments from council members. And we'll 552 00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:03,359 start with Mr. Lidle. >> No, no comment. I think it um I I I will 553 00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:08,640 like to see things like this go to the the safety committee. Um 554 00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:12,400 it's I'll have to understand why it's already not. I I'll uh I'll get that 555 00:48:10,720 --> 00:48:17,119 information from you at some other time. But yep, makes sense to me. 556 00:48:15,839 --> 00:48:25,760 » Mr. Daniel, >> um I agree with uh Mr. Jones. I walked 557 00:48:20,319 --> 00:48:31,359 it quite often down this road and I'm I've not observed any issues there. I 558 00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:41,040 was kind of wondering why it was an issue, but at the same time 559 00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:46,800 I can seems like a a low impact decision financially and logistically as well. So 560 00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:53,119 I don't see any problem with it. I'm just wondering why it was why it came 561 00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:56,480 up. I guess >> Mr. Baker, 562 00:48:54,240 --> 00:48:59,040 » I have no questions or comments. >> Miss Holder. No comments or questions. 563 00:48:58,319 --> 00:49:02,160 Thank you, >> Mr. Weise. 564 00:48:59,920 --> 00:49:08,640 » No comments or questions. >> Council, are you prepared to act on this 565 00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:13,119 tonight? If so, do I have a motion to approve the ordinance amending the city 566 00:49:11,119 --> 00:49:15,200 of Bvard traffic schedule? >> So moved. 567 00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:17,839 » Do I have a second? >> Second. 568 00:49:16,319 --> 00:49:20,240 » All in favor? >> I 569 00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:25,599 » opposed. Motion passes. 570 00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:29,119 » All right. Moving on to the consent and information. 571 00:49:27,119 --> 00:49:35,040 The following items are on the consent agenda. One, resolution in support of 572 00:49:32,319 --> 00:49:41,280 the roadless area area conservation rule. Two, capital project amendment 573 00:49:38,559 --> 00:49:48,720 Hillview Mills Avenue Culvert Repair $350,000. 574 00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:54,960 Three, Proclamation number 2026, TAC23, Childhood Cancer Awareness Month. 575 00:49:52,079 --> 00:50:01,680 Four, Rosenwald Community Advisory Board meeting minutes, May 21st, 2026. 576 00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:06,480 Five, Parks, Trails, and Recreation Committee meeting minutes, July 15, 577 00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:13,359 2026. Six, Rosenwald Community Advisory Board 578 00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:19,520 meeting session notes, July 16, 2026. Seven, Finance and Human Resources 579 00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:25,359 Committee meeting July 27th, 2026. and eight, public safety committee meeting 580 00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:28,880 minutes July 27th of 2026. Do I have a motion to approve the consent agenda? 581 00:50:28,240 --> 00:50:30,640 » So moved. >> Do I have a second? 582 00:50:30,079 --> 00:50:36,880 » Second. >> All in favor? 583 00:50:31,839 --> 00:50:42,720 » I proposed consent agenda is approved. Moving on to unfinished business. 584 00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:48,319 The first item is the proposed amendment to the city of Bvard Unified Development 585 00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:54,400 Ordinance Chapter 17 and the code of ordinances chapter 70 fats, oils, and 586 00:50:52,240 --> 00:51:00,240 grease regulations. And I believe our assistant city 587 00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:05,119 manager, David Todd, is going to talk to us about the fog. 588 00:51:03,599 --> 00:51:10,559 » Yes, ma'am. Thank you. Good evening, mayor, council. So last council meeting 589 00:51:08,079 --> 00:51:14,240 we uh brought a proposal before you for an amendment to the UDO unified 590 00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:20,400 development ordinance and the code of ordinances related to implementing an 591 00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:27,920 enforcable program on our fats, oil, and grease. As a reminder, um this was kind 592 00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:33,040 of uh brought forward from a compliance finding we had from the Department of 593 00:51:30,240 --> 00:51:37,839 Environmental Quality reminding us that our uh wastewater collection system 594 00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:42,160 permit requires us to have an enforceable fats, oil, and grease 595 00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:47,920 program. And the compliance finding letter uh asked us to be sure that we 596 00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:52,880 instated a program. So we do have a fat oil and grease program now but it is not 597 00:51:50,319 --> 00:51:58,160 currently enforceable. So had the presentation last council meeting and 598 00:51:55,359 --> 00:52:05,119 this evening we would like to ask if you would approve the or the I guess it's an 599 00:52:02,559 --> 00:52:12,000 ordinance resolution in front of you to uh approve those text amendments. 600 00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:17,119 » Okay. Thank you Mr. Todd Council. I will go ahead and open it up for comments and 601 00:52:14,559 --> 00:52:20,640 questions and we will start with Mr. Weise. 602 00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:23,760 » Uh I feel like I'm pretty familiar with this one because we've looked at it in 603 00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:27,839 committee and we've talked about a number of times. I think this could be a 604 00:52:25,359 --> 00:52:31,920 great program for Bvard and I really don't have any additional comments of 605 00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:34,920 what we've talked about before. Miss Holder, 606 00:52:35,119 --> 00:52:44,520 » trying to find again how it affects the taxes 607 00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:44,520 in your presentation. 608 00:52:45,839 --> 00:52:54,559 » Just how it how it affects taxes. >> Yes. Um there's no impact uh directly to 609 00:52:51,599 --> 00:53:02,559 taxes, but the fee schedule in the budget was revised in last year's budget 610 00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:08,880 to include um the different tier levels of uh fines or fees that could be 611 00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:14,440 assessed if folks uh failed to follow the guidance from the fog program. 612 00:53:10,559 --> 00:53:14,440 » That's what I was looking at. Okay, 613 00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:21,440 » I don't have any questions. Sorry. Okay, Mr. Baker. 614 00:53:19,839 --> 00:53:25,280 » Yeah. Um, just [clears throat] want to thank everybody for their work on this. 615 00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:30,000 I know it's a it's a kind of a dense document, so I know a lot of work went 616 00:53:27,119 --> 00:53:34,720 into it. And I'll just uh repeat what I said last time. I think just encourage 617 00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:39,359 staff to really have some proactive outreach to the restaurants and the food 618 00:53:37,359 --> 00:53:46,160 service providers we have in town, including, you know, the college and 619 00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:48,800 other places like that. And um I know you've already done a little bit of 620 00:53:47,359 --> 00:53:53,440 that, but I think just that communication is going to go a long way 621 00:53:50,240 --> 00:53:58,880 to uh not only getting compliance, but also getting it and keeping our 622 00:53:56,160 --> 00:54:05,760 restaurants happy with us and not not upset. So um 623 00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:09,920 keep up the good work. Daniel. 624 00:54:06,720 --> 00:54:14,800 » Um, I would just like to remind folks again that this is something that we're 625 00:54:12,319 --> 00:54:19,760 mandated to do. So, 626 00:54:16,319 --> 00:54:24,720 and I think it's pretty clear and u I think there has been some outreach with 627 00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:29,839 the local restaurants and merchants as to what we're doing and why. So, I 628 00:54:27,359 --> 00:54:33,040 appreciate that. Thank you, >> Mr. Widle. 629 00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:38,400 » Thanks for the work on this. Um the one thing that uh I would request is 12 630 00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:43,920 month report penalties, inspections we've done and any business impact that 631 00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:49,359 it's had. Um just so we can we can stay on top of that. And then obviously you 632 00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:55,680 know an education first um posture here before any penalties are 633 00:54:53,440 --> 00:55:00,000 are assessed. >> Yes sir. Thank you. Council, do I have a 634 00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:04,319 motion to approve the unified development ordinance in the code of 635 00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:06,000 ordinances amendments as presented? >> So moved. 636 00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:07,680 » Do I have a second? >> Second. 637 00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:11,520 » All in favor? >> I 638 00:55:08,240 --> 00:55:16,400 » opposed. It's approved. All right, we are moving on to new business. 639 00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:22,880 And that is the menu of options for surplus fund 82, the Rosenwald fund 640 00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:28,160 dollars. And I believe city manager is going to walk us through this. 641 00:55:24,559 --> 00:55:31,760 » Yes, ma'am. So, I'm going to ask council and everyone in the room to sort of take 642 00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:36,960 a mental picture of the table that's on the screen here because this is the 643 00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:41,680 funding proposal for the Cashers Valley Road sewer extension that I made a few 644 00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:47,280 weeks ago and that you all tabled. It does include a $25,000 contribution from 645 00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:51,599 the Rosenwald fund, but as you can see, the majority of it comes from other 646 00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:56,240 sources. Um, I'll call your attention to the far right column. That is the 647 00:55:54,480 --> 00:56:00,720 remaining balance in each of those sources after the contribution has been 648 00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:05,520 made. And so you can see that there is still money left in each of those 649 00:56:03,599 --> 00:56:11,359 accounts. Uh Shaunie, if you would please move on to the next table. Now, 650 00:56:08,720 --> 00:56:16,400 um we sent you a version of this table in your agenda last Thursday, but on 651 00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:21,680 Friday we got some new information and so there is a revised version of this 652 00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:27,200 table on the screen in front of you. Uh Shaunie, I wonder if you can make it so 653 00:56:24,240 --> 00:56:32,880 that we can see all all of it at the same time. 654 00:56:30,079 --> 00:56:38,559 A little Okay. All right. Almost. Um but here's the 655 00:56:35,839 --> 00:56:44,880 menu of options that we've put together for the fund 82 dollars themselves. As 656 00:56:42,720 --> 00:56:47,680 you can see at the top, well, no, as you can't see at the top, but I'll share 657 00:56:46,240 --> 00:56:53,359 with you that the balance is about $89,000. 658 00:56:49,920 --> 00:57:02,079 Um, before I get into the rest of my remarks, I want to say that uh uh 659 00:56:58,240 --> 00:57:07,680 $89,000 isn't really enough to do any significant infrastructure improvements 660 00:57:03,839 --> 00:57:12,079 on its own. And so even though back in the spring when you all instructed us to 661 00:57:10,079 --> 00:57:16,319 do this as part of the budget discussions, I think there was an 662 00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:21,119 expectation that it would be applied to infrastructure type projects. Um, I just 663 00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:26,000 want to say that I don't think it's realistic to be able to fund an entire 664 00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:31,760 infrastructure project with this alone. And so this is a mix of uh 665 00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:36,640 non-infrastructure projects and the early phases of potential infrastructure 666 00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:41,760 projects. The one exception to that would be the 667 00:57:38,559 --> 00:57:46,319 Cashers Valley Road um sewer extension, which we could fund entirely with these 668 00:57:44,079 --> 00:57:50,799 dollars if you so choose. And I think that's just luck. Just the circumstances 669 00:57:48,559 --> 00:57:56,799 of that, the fact that we'd be doing it all inhouse uh means that we could do 670 00:57:53,760 --> 00:58:00,200 that entire project for 88,000, but that's the exception. 671 00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:08,640 Referring to what you see on the screen here, one through four I think are 672 00:58:06,319 --> 00:58:14,319 pretty self-explanatory. I do want to draw attention to the first three lines 673 00:58:11,200 --> 00:58:17,599 there. what I'm dubbing uh option one, option one A, and option one B. 674 00:58:16,430 --> 00:58:24,319 [clears throat and cough] Those are permutations of the traffic calming uh 675 00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:29,280 project on Carolina Avenue. When we talked about this in the spring, that 676 00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:32,400 was a $14,000 project. Uh when we refined our number numbers, we 677 00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:36,640 discovered that it will actually be a little cheaper than that because the 678 00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:43,599 road is not as wide as Probart Street and so we only need two humps rather 679 00:58:39,119 --> 00:58:51,040 than three. And so we can cut that um cost down by a third. We can cut it down 680 00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:56,799 even farther if you decide to install two speed bumps instead of four. The 681 00:58:53,839 --> 00:59:01,440 original proposal was for four. Uh if we do two, it'll be slightly less 682 00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:06,400 effective, but we think still calm traffic on that street. Uh and we can 683 00:59:03,839 --> 00:59:11,920 cut that cost down in half. Again, that's option 1 A. Option 1B is to 684 00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:18,160 install two speed bumps on Carolina Avenue and then one a piece on McMmin 685 00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:22,079 to deter folks who might try to skirt around the Carolina Avenue traffic 686 00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:27,440 calming measures by taking those other streets. But one way or the other, um 687 00:59:25,599 --> 00:59:33,119 the most we'll spend on traffic calming in that area is $8,300. And in the 688 00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:39,839 spring, you did instruct us to move forward with that. And so, um, I I I am 689 00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:46,400 expecting the usable balance to be about $80,000 if we deduct $8,300 from the 690 00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:50,720 overall balance. Option two is the tax rebate program and 691 00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:53,359 and mayor, I think you have some information on that that might inform 692 00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:56,799 the conversation. >> Yes. [clears throat] 693 00:59:53,920 --> 01:00:01,040 Um, the tax rebate program is something that we have been trying to put in place 694 00:59:58,559 --> 01:00:07,440 for the last two years. Uh, we were not able to fund it last year. However, this 695 01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:15,200 year there was a grant opportunity with Dogwood uh health uh foundation uh for a 696 01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:23,359 collaborative grant and the city uh joined with the Haven, the Cove Sharing 697 01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:29,119 House and uh Pisca Legal and has put in a grant application for $500,000. 698 01:00:27,119 --> 01:00:34,880 uh it would be dispersed across those different organizations, 699 01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:42,400 but the city's portion of that grant is $60,000 specifically for the tax rebate 700 01:00:38,559 --> 01:00:50,319 program, $30,000 a year for the next two years. Today, this afternoon, I attended 701 01:00:45,839 --> 01:00:55,839 a meeting with Dogwood. They got 198 grant applications 702 01:00:52,400 --> 01:01:01,680 against the funding that they have. 40 of those grants went forward for a 703 01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:06,160 in-depth conversation. The collaborative grant that the city is 704 01:01:03,839 --> 01:01:11,440 part of was one of the 40 and we had that in-depth conversation with dogwood 705 01:01:08,559 --> 01:01:16,799 this afternoon. So that is very promising. I mean there is no guarantee. 706 01:01:14,559 --> 01:01:23,680 Uh but what they said was that they are planning to fund approximately 30 of the 707 01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:29,359 40 uh that they have identified and are actually we spent an hour answering 708 01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:36,799 questions with Dogwood um and that they would be announcing the awardees around 709 01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:41,599 the middle of October. So because we have this grant out there and because it 710 01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:48,880 is looking so promising, I would ask council to hold any tax uh you know 711 01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:52,640 dollar funding of this in obeyance uh you know [clears throat] until we hear 712 01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:57,119 whether or not we actually get that grant uh because if we do then there 713 01:01:54,960 --> 01:02:03,520 would be no need to fund it out of this fund or any other fund. So that's the 714 01:01:59,599 --> 01:02:08,559 latest as of three hours ago. >> Thank you mayor and council. By the way, 715 01:02:05,359 --> 01:02:12,160 the HRNF committee approved a revised set of guidelines for that program. We 716 01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:16,400 haven't brought those to you for approval yet, but if it looks like this 717 01:02:13,839 --> 01:02:19,599 is going to be funded somehow, we'll bring those guidelines to you for full 718 01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:24,079 approval before we implement the program. 719 01:02:22,319 --> 01:02:29,280 Number four, of course, is the sewer extension I just described. 720 01:02:26,319 --> 01:02:34,319 And then five and six are the ones that need a little bit of explanation. Six 721 01:02:31,359 --> 01:02:38,680 being the one that is different from the table we sent to you last week. 722 01:02:43,018 --> 01:02:45,038 [snorts] 723 01:02:47,839 --> 01:02:57,280 Five Carver Street supplementary paving. At the moment, only portions of Carver 724 01:02:54,480 --> 01:03:00,960 Street are scheduled to be paved here in the next 725 01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:07,359 year or so. And even those are far enough down our 726 01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:11,839 paving list that we need to get our quotes back first before we know how far 727 01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:17,359 our dollar is going to stretch and whether those are going to be delayed 728 01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:22,160 even further. But if the pricing comes back as we expect, 729 01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:26,400 segments of Carver Street should be paved in the year to come. But it would 730 01:03:24,319 --> 01:03:31,839 be a patchwork. It would only be the sections that are damaged the most. And 731 01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:36,640 so number five would add some money from this account to our POW bill funds, 732 01:03:34,559 --> 01:03:46,720 supplementing them so that we can fund the entire stretch of Carver Street from 733 01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:50,720 Oaklan to um the city parking lot there. And then number six is the one that 734 01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:56,160 requires the most explanation, and I might need David to step up to the 735 01:03:52,480 --> 01:04:01,680 podium and help me out, but six is a proposal to use some of the fund 82 736 01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:07,119 balance to to fund the design and engineering of a larger 737 01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:12,880 capital improvement project to Carver Street and its intersection with 738 01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:18,640 Oakdale. Am I getting the roads mixed up? the street that runs by the church 739 01:04:15,599 --> 01:04:26,319 there. And this project would see the Carver Street sidewalk widened, made 740 01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:32,079 more ADA accessible, and the intersection of Cashers Valley 741 01:04:29,839 --> 01:04:38,240 Road and Oakdale near the church improved to enhance pedestrian safety. 742 01:04:35,839 --> 01:04:44,079 However, the cost of that project, the construction cost of that project would 743 01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:48,480 be probably $600 to $750,000. And so, we would need to find a new 744 01:04:46,079 --> 01:04:53,280 funding source in the future to actually pay for the construction. But this money 745 01:04:51,599 --> 01:04:58,000 would pay for the design and engineering so that we could have bid ready 746 01:04:54,960 --> 01:05:02,480 documents to release on that project. That project would be Powell Bill 747 01:04:59,920 --> 01:05:06,880 eligible. So POW bill could fund the whole thing or we could supplement other 748 01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:11,039 sources with POW bill. But if you chose to spend POW bill on the construction of 749 01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:15,599 that project, it would be about three years worth. And so it would delay 750 01:05:13,839 --> 01:05:20,720 paving of other needed streets across town for three years in order to 751 01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:25,440 construct that project. Um but David, if you can go into a little bit more detail 752 01:05:22,319 --> 01:05:32,000 about what that project would include. >> Yes, sir. I think you did a a good job 753 01:05:27,359 --> 01:05:36,559 of explaining it. the sidewalk portion that we are speaking of specifically. 754 01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:42,400 I [snorts] have to look as well because I I will say I'm backwards every time. 755 01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:49,039 From Oaklan down to Oakdale is where the sidewalk would be put in place and it 756 01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:54,319 would uh narrow the road about a foot um to allow the sidewalk to be made wider 757 01:05:52,079 --> 01:05:59,839 into in the street direction by about a foot. then it would at places right now 758 01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:03,760 there are utility poles in the middle of the sidewalk or on one edge of the 759 01:06:01,599 --> 01:06:08,640 sidewalk that restrict the width of the sidewalk. Adding that foot does not 760 01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:13,039 resolve that uh the width of the sidewalk that's needed for an 761 01:06:10,079 --> 01:06:18,400 accessibility issue. So, we would obtain uh encroachment easements on the few 762 01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:22,720 properties that have utility poles in front of them to allow the sidewalk to 763 01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:27,920 come around the utility pole in those places so that we would have a fully 764 01:06:25,039 --> 01:06:32,880 accessible width sidewalk in addition to a wider sidewalk. Um, another kind of 765 01:06:31,119 --> 01:06:38,079 complicating factor is that that sidewalk crosses many driveways as it 766 01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:43,680 comes down Carver. So there would have to be improvements made and ramp 767 01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:48,480 adjustments made everywhere the sidewalk crosses those driveways. So that would 768 01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:53,920 also require us to get uh a permanent encroachment agreement to um basically 769 01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:58,400 tear out and rebuild part of the sidewalk as well or excuse me the 770 01:06:55,920 --> 01:07:02,640 driveway as well as a temporary construction easement because that would 771 01:07:00,559 --> 01:07:07,280 go a little further up into the driveway to get the slopes set correctly right. 772 01:07:05,119 --> 01:07:11,039 So, you know, we may be working in three foot of their driveway, but we may have 773 01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:17,280 to reour six foot of the driveway to fix that. And then down at the bottom of the 774 01:07:13,359 --> 01:07:20,720 road right now, um, where Carver, it's not the bottom. Carver actually 775 01:07:18,799 --> 01:07:26,559 continues over to the Culver. It's a little confusing. It ends at Casher's 776 01:07:22,559 --> 01:07:34,000 Valley Road, but where Carver intersects Oakdale Dale there, the sidewalk there 777 01:07:30,319 --> 01:07:38,319 to Mary C. Jenkins is non-ontinuous. were missing about a 100 foot section of 778 01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:42,720 sidewalk and that has to do with our current inability to get an easement 779 01:07:40,799 --> 01:07:47,680 from that intersection to the Mary C. Jenkins Center. So, this project would 780 01:07:45,839 --> 01:07:52,559 take advantage of the width of the road to narrow the road a little bit, move 781 01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:57,440 the sidewalk into the the road and make a connection so that we would create a 782 01:07:55,440 --> 01:08:01,039 little landscape buffer and have that full connection from basically the 783 01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:05,359 church all the way to the Mary C. Jenkins Community Center. and then it 784 01:08:02,559 --> 01:08:11,039 would take that intersection and add proper crosswalks and accessibility 785 01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:18,319 ramps to all of that. So, it's a a very full uh it's a very full project. One 786 01:08:14,799 --> 01:08:23,520 thing, if if the work were done, the paving work is done first and then 787 01:08:21,440 --> 01:08:28,480 we do the sidewalk. We're going to end up tearing up some of the new paving 788 01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:32,960 work to do the sidewalk work. So it really proper construction sequence 789 01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:37,040 would really be to do the sidewalk work first and then the paving work. Now 790 01:08:35,359 --> 01:08:44,719 that's not to say it can't be done the other way, but it will wind up in new 791 01:08:40,239 --> 01:08:49,279 asphalt that in turn has patches on it. Mr. Hooper, anything else you want me to 792 01:08:46,480 --> 01:08:55,440 add to that? The one other um piece of information council that I think you 793 01:08:51,440 --> 01:08:59,920 need for your discussion tonight is that none of these are timesensitive except 794 01:08:57,520 --> 01:09:05,920 five. If you think you're leaning towards going for number five, we need 795 01:09:02,319 --> 01:09:09,440 to know that soon because we want to um let that contract as soon as we can. 796 01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:13,359 It's out on the street now. We're waiting for bids. We want to be able to 797 01:09:11,679 --> 01:09:17,120 act on those bids as soon as they come back in so we can reserve our spot and 798 01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:20,880 get that paving started as soon as possible in the spring. And so it would 799 01:09:19,359 --> 01:09:25,600 be helpful to know what the scope of that contract is going to be. And so if 800 01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:29,279 you're leaning towards five, we'd like to know that right away. If you're 801 01:09:27,359 --> 01:09:33,199 leaning towards any of the others, then it's less important and you can take 802 01:09:31,279 --> 01:09:38,480 another week or so to or another few weeks to decide um before you you give 803 01:09:36,480 --> 01:09:42,640 us our direction. One more piece on that too is it's two 804 01:09:40,480 --> 01:09:47,359 years worth of power bill spending. So it's roughly $500,000 worth of power 805 01:09:45,440 --> 01:09:50,880 bill spending on the paving that will occur. So it's a substantial amount of 806 01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:57,080 paving that I just don't want to miss our opportunity to get a slot to get on 807 01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:57,080 the contractor's schedule. 808 01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:05,840 » Thank you, Mr. Todd. Okay. Well, council, I'm going to open it up for 809 01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:11,043 comments and questions. And uh we'll start with Mr. Lidle. 810 01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:19,120 » You might want to stay up here. [laughter] It's I I just want to make 811 01:10:13,199 --> 01:10:21,760 sure I'm I'm following because um um got lost a little bit between five and six 812 01:10:20,719 --> 01:10:25,199 and all that. Yes, sir. >> So most of what you were discussing was 813 01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:28,159 six, correct? >> Yes, sir. 814 01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:33,280 » Okay. So, um >> all of all of what I was discussing is 815 01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:39,520 » is six. Okay. And so what I heard was is that if six were the option, 816 01:10:36,719 --> 01:10:45,280 um I I believe I heard that it would delay or it would it would uh redirect 817 01:10:42,480 --> 01:10:48,320 dollars from other projects. Is that is that right? 818 01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:52,640 » Did I hear correctly? >> If we chose to fund this with POW bill 819 01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:55,760 money, which it could be fully funded with POW bill money, 820 01:10:53,760 --> 01:11:01,520 » right? It's estimated to be somewhere in the $600 to $700,000 range, which is 821 01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:04,960 about three years of Powell Bill money, which is all the money we use to pave 822 01:11:04,159 --> 01:11:05,920 » the entire >> Yes, sir. 823 01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:13,199 » Yeah. >> So, it would move paving from other 824 01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:15,840 areas if if we used Powell Bill funding, >> right? 825 01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:24,960 » And otherwise otherwise we could try to find another another source. Um, and 826 01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:31,600 then if we were to choose five, um, would that be sort of lost dollars in 827 01:11:28,480 --> 01:11:37,440 work if later on we decided we really wanted to do six and find the funding 828 01:11:33,280 --> 01:11:41,840 for it? In other words, we pave um sections with with uh with what's 829 01:11:40,239 --> 01:11:47,520 already scheduled, the way we supplement that, right? pave, then we want to do 830 01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:52,880 the, you know, the intersections and the complete improvements, we would have to 831 01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:58,320 repave again. Is that correct? >> We wouldn't have to necessarily repave 832 01:11:55,280 --> 01:12:02,880 fully, but it will um >> for whatever reason, the the way the 833 01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:06,239 pavement condition assessment is done, it breaks Carver Street up into four 834 01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:10,640 sections, >> and those are prioritized differently. 835 01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:15,280 They're not kind of prioritized top to bottom. So, for example, 836 01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:20,800 um Cunningham to Jordan is in the highest 837 01:12:18,719 --> 01:12:24,880 priority category. Oakdale to Casters Valley Road is in the highest priority 838 01:12:22,239 --> 01:12:29,840 category. Oakdale to Cunningham is in the next year's priority. And then 839 01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:35,440 Jordan to Oakdale is in the next year's priority. So, you know, if we were to 840 01:12:32,480 --> 01:12:40,239 take this money and if we were to spend current POW bill funding to do Carver, 841 01:12:38,480 --> 01:12:44,719 you would have one little piece up here and one little piece down here. Then 842 01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:49,760 when the sidewalk is done, that work would be cut, especially if we move the 843 01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:55,040 the sidewalk into the road. So, we'll have to patch some of that back. So, 844 01:12:51,600 --> 01:13:00,440 it'll just your nice new asphalt section is going to now have a a patch on it, 845 01:12:57,440 --> 01:13:00,440 right? 846 01:13:01,199 --> 01:13:04,199 Um, 847 01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:08,679 so the um 848 01:13:09,199 --> 01:13:13,520 can I add another >> Sure. 849 01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:17,679 » Mr. Hooper, do we want to discuss the other option we had talked about with 850 01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:26,400 accessibility? >> Yes. So, one other possible option would 851 01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:31,280 be to just do sidewalk enhancements where the utility poles are in the 852 01:13:28,719 --> 01:13:36,080 sidewalk. And there's one place I think you're familiar with where there's a a 853 01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:42,480 wall and a and a utility pole both on the sidewalk. So, we could address just 854 01:13:39,440 --> 01:13:46,880 those portions of the sidewalk to help with the the width and the 855 01:13:44,719 --> 01:13:50,320 traversability of it. It doesn't make it accessible. It doesn't make it any 856 01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:55,840 wider. It doesn't fix any of the driveway crossings, but that would be 857 01:13:52,800 --> 01:14:02,320 another potential option to help the sidewalk. That's probably I'm I'm 858 01:13:58,159 --> 01:14:07,120 guessing it might be $20,000 to to correct those two items that then might 859 01:14:05,199 --> 01:14:11,120 get further adjustments when the whole sidewalk was done. 860 01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:17,520 » Okay. And 861 01:14:13,440 --> 01:14:23,320 1B is two speed bumps on on two separate two separate streets. 862 01:14:24,239 --> 01:14:28,960 » Sorry. Can you can you explain >> four speed bumps? 863 01:14:28,159 --> 01:14:31,920 » Two on >> Oh, two on each. 864 01:14:29,679 --> 01:14:35,040 » Yeah. Two on Carolina, one on Washington, and one on 865 01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:39,040 » Got it. And that's to that's to prevent from, 866 01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:41,600 you know, redirect of of traffic trying to get around the speed bump. 867 01:14:40,239 --> 01:14:45,679 » Yes, sir. >> Well, um, 868 01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:49,600 you know, first of all, a full public disclosure, I live on Cover Street and 869 01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:55,199 but I I promise it's it's not because I I live on Cover Street, but it is um but 870 01:14:53,120 --> 01:15:02,159 it does lend itself to me knowing what the issues are. Um if you're getting to 871 01:14:58,480 --> 01:15:06,400 this nice new beautiful um community center from downtown and you want to 872 01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:12,960 encourage walking, Carver Street is where you're going. Um and today um 873 01:15:09,360 --> 01:15:17,920 there are um lots of falling hazards. There's footprints that folks can trip 874 01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:23,440 over. Um and like uh the manager said, there are um there are utility poles 875 01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:27,840 that have concrete blocks around them, which is also a hazard. And also I have 876 01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:33,760 a family member and I'm sure there's others. It's it's it's actually 877 01:15:30,239 --> 01:15:38,400 impossible um to get down uh Carver Street in a wheelchair. It's it's 878 01:15:36,159 --> 01:15:44,080 impossible. You have to actually will in the in the road. Um so for all those 879 01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:50,239 reasons I think it is important. Um and so for me um and another thing I would 880 01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:58,239 think um uh can you can you help me understand 881 01:15:51,920 --> 01:16:03,120 um since there is a there's a large um uh budget left in in 882 01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:09,840 sewer budget and this budget is so small. 883 01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:15,520 Why why not take Why are we proposing to take 25,000 from 884 01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:20,040 this from this budget into a suit and not use SER funds? 885 01:16:20,320 --> 01:16:26,120 going back up to the table before I answer. 886 01:16:29,840 --> 01:16:38,000 We've been deliberately trying to build up our reserves in the utility fund in 887 01:16:35,679 --> 01:16:43,920 preparation for the big expense that's on the horizon and that's the wastewater 888 01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:46,880 treatment plant um improvement. Also, the 889 01:16:46,668 --> 01:16:52,640 » [snorts] >> um Cashas Valley Road sewer extension is 890 01:16:50,800 --> 01:17:00,320 really a general fund project because it's in support of housing, which is a 891 01:16:54,880 --> 01:17:05,280 general fund u funded endeavor. And so I didn't think it was fair to tax the 892 01:17:03,440 --> 01:17:11,440 savings in the utility fund that we know we're going to need 893 01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:18,600 um for a voluntary project when we had a another source of general fund dollars 894 01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:18,600 available for voluntary projects. 895 01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:29,600 Well, um you know, when we discussed this and obviously there there was some 896 01:17:25,199 --> 01:17:35,199 opposition, but we ended up um deciding that um these funds would go to 897 01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:41,760 infrastructure projects um in the Rose Mall fund and and at that 898 01:17:37,360 --> 01:17:45,360 time um and I still, you know, believe the same the same way is that those 899 01:17:43,520 --> 01:17:50,560 should be visible projects and especially since we do have another fund 900 01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:56,239 and specifically earmarked for sewer. Um, I think those are the funds that we 901 01:17:52,320 --> 01:18:02,080 should use for this. And the the $25,000 in that fund represents a a pretty small 902 01:17:59,920 --> 01:18:07,120 percentage, whereas in this fund, it represent a really large percentage. And 903 01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:12,560 I uh appreciate the fact that there's a lot of projects that because it's not a 904 01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:17,199 lot, um, complete projects are few and far between, but there are some in here. 905 01:18:15,040 --> 01:18:24,560 Um and namely um Carolina Avenue. Um I think that's a 906 01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:29,600 visible project that goes straight to um you know you know [clears throat] 907 01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:34,239 u the neighborhood and it's and it's um something that that we know we need to 908 01:18:31,440 --> 01:18:37,920 do. Uh and then I would advocate for and I know we don't need to make this 909 01:18:35,440 --> 01:18:41,920 decision tonight but then again if it is number five we do. I would advocate for 910 01:18:40,239 --> 01:18:47,040 number five. Those are two complete projects that would be done with these 911 01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:52,719 funds and they're also visible. Um and they also would um 912 01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:57,440 would relieve dollars from the general fund in uh what would otherwise be used 913 01:18:55,679 --> 01:19:05,440 from the general fund. So that's that's my thoughts those two. 914 01:18:59,920 --> 01:19:10,400 » Thank you Mr. L. Mr. Daniel. Um, so the uh my first point would be that we did 915 01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:15,360 say that we were going to do the Carolina Avenue traffic coming in at our 916 01:19:13,199 --> 01:19:19,840 earlier meetings and I would say that I would personally 917 01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:27,199 prefer oneb uh simply because [snorts] 918 01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:31,679 as was pointed out to deter evaders u that we would hope to not create a 919 01:19:29,440 --> 01:19:38,960 problem somewhere else by calming the traffic on Carolina. So, that seems to 920 01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:45,280 me to be a given. Um, the tax rebate program, I'm not sure why it's on here 921 01:19:41,360 --> 01:19:50,960 because, as was pointed out, this was intended to be uh for infrastructure in 922 01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:56,239 the Rosenwall community and this is obviously not 923 01:19:52,960 --> 01:20:00,800 uh infrastructure and it's not I don't think would be limited to the Rosenwall 924 01:19:58,880 --> 01:20:05,679 community. Is that not correct? >> That's correct. would be citywide, which 925 01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:11,120 would be great. I think it's a great idea. I'm just not sure how it comes out 926 01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:19,760 of this fund after the discussions that we've had in the past. Um the U 927 01:20:16,719 --> 01:20:26,480 Silverstein Park money, this uh the seed money for the Silverstein Park shelter 928 01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:33,600 seems to be a workaround uh to some of our reluctance to fund this at this 929 01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:40,239 point. So, I'm not in favor of that. Um, the uh hack cashers valley sewer 930 01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:45,840 extension has to happen in my mind. That's a priority. Um, 931 01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:52,560 whether it comes from here or comes from the sewer fund, um, that's obviously 932 01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:58,719 something to be discussed, but if I were spending this money, I would be making 933 01:20:55,040 --> 01:21:04,320 sure that that happened. Um and then Carver Street, you know, if it's already 934 01:21:01,440 --> 01:21:09,760 in place, as I understand that that's going to happen regardless of the 935 01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:11,920 funding from this, uh fund. Is that correct? 936 01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:13,199 » Portions of it. >> Portions of it. 937 01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:22,640 » Yes, sir. >> So, um again, my priority is is going to 938 01:21:19,199 --> 01:21:26,159 be the housing period. That's all I have. 939 01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:31,760 » Mr. Baker. >> Yeah, I'll start with a basic question. 940 01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:35,840 So, why why is Duke Energy, a multi-billion dollar company with 941 01:21:33,920 --> 01:21:41,320 record profits, allowed to put telephone poles in the 942 01:21:38,080 --> 01:21:41,320 middle of sidewalks? 943 01:21:42,239 --> 01:21:50,239 You may not have an answer, but I I this this is a thing that happens all over 944 01:21:47,679 --> 01:21:55,199 the city and I know that we have happened 945 01:21:52,639 --> 01:22:01,600 to run into issues with Duke asking them to move polls previously and it's like 946 01:21:58,000 --> 01:22:04,960 takes an act of Congress to even get them to consider it. And then when 947 01:22:03,440 --> 01:22:10,719 they do consider it, they give you a price tag that's like astronomical. 948 01:22:08,480 --> 01:22:15,840 And I just think as a small city that's 949 01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:20,719 trying to do what's right for people to move around safely, 950 01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:26,960 especially people who are handicapped or in a wheelchair, it's just absurd that 951 01:22:24,320 --> 01:22:31,120 Duke Energy is not willing to help out with things like that and that we're the 952 01:22:28,639 --> 01:22:35,040 ones that have to go around their polls. And I've seen them 953 01:22:33,199 --> 01:22:40,080 replace a pole, put it right back where it was, 954 01:22:38,080 --> 01:22:46,239 which I don't even know how that's legal because if we replace something and we 955 01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:51,360 don't bring it up to ADA compliance, then we're in trouble. But Duke can just 956 01:22:49,040 --> 01:22:57,440 plop in a brand new pole, rering everything up, and good to go. I just I 957 01:22:55,120 --> 01:23:00,677 know that's a tangent from what we're actually talking about, but it just 958 01:22:58,719 --> 01:23:05,040 drives me nuts. And I would actually [clears throat] like us to talk to our 959 01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:08,320 representatives at Duke about helping us out about this because it's not just 960 01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:12,800 Carver Street. Carver Street is probably the worst 961 01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:15,520 um situation because it's on an incline and there's some other things going on 962 01:23:14,080 --> 01:23:22,639 there. But but we've got this all over the city and it it it drives me crazy. 963 01:23:18,800 --> 01:23:28,239 Um okay, so back to this the question on number six, 964 01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:33,360 the construction of that. I know you put you put a big pretty big price tag on 965 01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:38,800 that 650 to 700. Is there any part of that that can be phased can be done in 966 01:23:36,320 --> 01:23:41,960 phases or is that all all or nothing all at once? 967 01:23:45,120 --> 01:23:53,040 » I think it uh you could definitely uh phase it. You would probably spend a 968 01:23:51,120 --> 01:23:58,400 little more money in phasing it. I mean, you could choose to do the, you know, 969 01:23:55,520 --> 01:24:04,000 top third of the of Carver coming down the hill or the bottom third coming up, 970 01:24:01,440 --> 01:24:07,040 um, or half of the road. I mean, I'm sure we could do that, but we are 971 01:24:05,520 --> 01:24:09,040 because we're narrowing the road, you know, we'd have to, 972 01:24:08,320 --> 01:24:14,400 » right, >> or some kind of transition that you 973 01:24:10,719 --> 01:24:20,080 would then later remove. The paving is included in that number. The paving 974 01:24:17,120 --> 01:24:24,800 could be patched and delayed, but it's already in, you know, really rough 975 01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:31,120 shape. Um, we could leave out the crosswalk at the bottom, but I think 976 01:24:27,679 --> 01:24:38,800 that's a uh lower cost item than what's there. The number here is is design. 977 01:24:36,159 --> 01:24:44,719 Having that design done would allow us to, you know, more fully and carefully 978 01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:49,120 budget. we could uh put it on the street and see what it what it actually cost. 979 01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:54,639 We might make a decision we couldn't afford it once we actually had a you 980 01:24:51,120 --> 01:24:59,199 know real bid number. Um but there are there's a significant amount of design 981 01:24:57,360 --> 01:25:03,280 work that has to happen with the easements being acquired. That's part of 982 01:25:01,760 --> 01:25:07,760 this is assuming we can get the easements right because every every 983 01:25:05,360 --> 01:25:12,080 driveway, every yard that has a utility pole, one of the houses has a little 984 01:25:10,159 --> 01:25:18,400 like garden wall that'll have to be moved and redone. Um it potentially has 985 01:25:15,440 --> 01:25:23,920 some impact on the church. There's a set of stairs that exit the church on the 986 01:25:21,040 --> 01:25:27,280 one end nearest the sidewalk. I I don't think it's impacted, but it might. we 987 01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:31,280 would want to look at that and make sure that we, you know, didn't do anything 988 01:25:29,040 --> 01:25:35,920 that impeded or changed that if we did anything on that end. Um, but I I think 989 01:25:34,320 --> 01:25:40,960 there's some opportunity, but it would it would ultimately cost more money, 990 01:25:38,719 --> 01:25:45,520 » right? >> Um, 991 01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:51,760 well, I I really I guess I I feel like that sidewalk 992 01:25:48,080 --> 01:26:00,320 enhancement is is it's a high priority for me. I mean, I I travel that way a 993 01:25:55,760 --> 01:26:05,520 lot and walking or u driving or on a bike and it's it's pretty clear that the 994 01:26:03,679 --> 01:26:11,360 the sidewalk infrastructure there is just I mean it's probably the worst 995 01:26:08,560 --> 01:26:15,199 we've got in the city. Um and we're going to have to address it at some 996 01:26:12,719 --> 01:26:20,159 point. I understand that's not visible. Um, and it's tough to 997 01:26:17,920 --> 01:26:25,840 to assign dollars to something like that that's that's not going to be, you know, 998 01:26:24,320 --> 01:26:30,480 it's not going to be a completed project, but but we do need to plan for 999 01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:35,440 it. Um, and and we don't have the money to plan for it right now. 1000 01:26:33,120 --> 01:26:39,679 Um the 1001 01:26:37,280 --> 01:26:47,120 on the on the house the housing front and and the hack project. I just want to 1002 01:26:44,639 --> 01:26:52,639 remind everyone that this is kind of it it's connected to a grant that we're 1003 01:26:49,440 --> 01:26:58,159 that we've applied for that. I can't remember the total amount of the grant. 1004 01:26:56,080 --> 01:27:03,440 Do you remember >> six million? Is Emily over there? I 1005 01:26:59,920 --> 01:27:10,480 can't see her. Oh, she is. Okay. Um, and if we get that grant, not only would 1006 01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:17,040 it build 26 homes in Rosenwald that would be um, affordable for and home 1007 01:27:14,080 --> 01:27:22,800 ownership, not rental homes, uh, home ownership, but the grant also included a 1008 01:27:19,920 --> 01:27:28,400 million dollars for home repair for existing homes. Um, and those are 1009 01:27:25,840 --> 01:27:32,639 restricted to or not restricted, but we would focus those efforts in Rosenwald 1010 01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:41,280 as well. So, homes that need a new roof or um a ramp 1011 01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:50,400 for someone to enter them, uh that's a million dollars uh that would go towards 1012 01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:56,719 existing homes to uh to update them. Um, so in my mind, I mean, that's that's a a 1013 01:27:53,920 --> 01:28:04,000 great return on investment of, you know, building the the sewer project so that 1014 01:27:58,560 --> 01:28:08,400 that grant can be can move forward. Um, and, you know, being able to build not 1015 01:28:06,639 --> 01:28:13,280 only build home affordable homes for folks, but also repair existing homes in 1016 01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:18,400 in the neighborhood. Um, and then finally, since Dean got us 1017 01:28:16,880 --> 01:28:28,400 started talking about where we live, I live on Mcmmin. Um, and the I appreciate 1018 01:28:24,639 --> 01:28:32,320 the the idea behind putting speed bumps not just on 1019 01:28:30,639 --> 01:28:37,120 Carolina, but also on the surrounding roads so that people don't cut through. 1020 01:28:34,320 --> 01:28:42,239 I will say that Washington, if you if you live over there or travel 1021 01:28:39,679 --> 01:28:48,239 those streets, you the exit of Washington onto Silverstein is is crazy. 1022 01:28:46,400 --> 01:28:54,080 There's like a like a what is that like a five foot drop, six foot drop. 1023 01:28:51,520 --> 01:28:59,120 Yeah. And I I find it hard to believe that people would want to navigate that. 1024 01:28:56,719 --> 01:29:04,960 It's kind of its own traffic calming. Um so I'm not sure a speed hump is 1025 01:29:01,360 --> 01:29:09,600 necessary on Washington. Um, and I would think about maybe allocating that 1026 01:29:07,120 --> 01:29:16,159 somewhere else. Maybe we get an extra uh hump on Carolina. But, uh, but I I do 1027 01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:20,000 agree with um, Gary. we did in the budget. You know, I think there was 1028 01:29:18,080 --> 01:29:25,199 consensus that we would move forward with those traffic calming projects and 1029 01:29:23,440 --> 01:29:30,320 we've heard we've continued to hear from folks on Carolina and other people in 1030 01:29:28,639 --> 01:29:35,600 the neighborhood um that that speeding is an issue over 1031 01:29:32,800 --> 01:29:42,159 there. Um, so I my personal preference on this, 1032 01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:47,840 um, and this would be a bit of a compromise here would be we move forward 1033 01:29:45,360 --> 01:29:53,440 with one of the traffic calming measures at $8,300. 1034 01:29:50,880 --> 01:30:01,199 um we move forward with the Carver Street sidewalk um enhancements 1035 01:29:57,040 --> 01:30:06,639 and then the remainder which I have as 20,000 1036 01:30:02,880 --> 01:30:13,360 $669. So that's you know four 4,000 and change less than 1037 01:30:10,320 --> 01:30:21,040 the original $25,000 request from for the hack sewer. Um that 1038 01:30:18,239 --> 01:30:26,600 we do that as well. So that would be three different 1039 01:30:23,600 --> 01:30:26,600 projects. 1040 01:30:29,679 --> 01:30:37,280 » I believe the design cost was the update on item number. 1041 01:30:35,520 --> 01:30:43,920 » Right. So, I've got 60,000 for the sidewalk, 1042 01:30:40,800 --> 01:30:48,480 8,300 [clears throat] for um the traffic calming, and then the 1043 01:30:46,960 --> 01:30:52,880 difference of the total that 1044 01:30:50,400 --> 01:30:56,719 » what's left in the fund I had at 20,000 >> about 20,000 1045 01:30:53,600 --> 01:31:00,280 » 600. So, we would use that for the >> the sewer extension, 1046 01:31:00,560 --> 01:31:03,800 » Miss Holder. 1047 01:31:03,840 --> 01:31:11,920 Okay. I have lots of comments and questions. Um the first thing that comes 1048 01:31:10,320 --> 01:31:18,639 to mind is first of all I would like to hear from the public hear from residents 1049 01:31:14,800 --> 01:31:25,040 about what they want. Um we see the six options. I can give you my opinion and 1050 01:31:21,840 --> 01:31:30,960 my option but is that what our constituents want? Um so I'd like to 1051 01:31:28,719 --> 01:31:36,159 hear from the public. I'd also like to hear options about what we can do about 1052 01:31:34,320 --> 01:31:40,880 the sewer extension. If this money were not here from Rosen Wall, how would you 1053 01:31:38,480 --> 01:31:45,440 address that problem? Perhaps we could go to the developer or find ways other 1054 01:31:43,360 --> 01:31:51,600 ways to do it as has been done when other homes were built. So that would be 1055 01:31:48,639 --> 01:31:56,800 my next question is to give us options as one of our citizens has already asked 1056 01:31:53,760 --> 01:32:02,639 us. I want to highlight that and say even more so I'd like to see options um 1057 01:31:59,920 --> 01:32:07,760 for the sewer extension for cashiers. This is not the only option 1058 01:32:05,120 --> 01:32:11,440 and it can't be because Rosen Wall's money has not always been there and we 1059 01:32:10,080 --> 01:32:16,719 have other sewer projects that are complete. So I'd like to see other 1060 01:32:13,520 --> 01:32:21,920 options. Um Silverstein Park was promised a restroom 1061 01:32:19,120 --> 01:32:26,159 and a shelter years ago. I've been hearing it ever since I got here that 1062 01:32:23,920 --> 01:32:31,120 they were promised that years ago. Still don't have a restroom. Still don't have 1063 01:32:28,000 --> 01:32:36,800 a shelter. And as was pointed out um before this conversation began, if there 1064 01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:41,600 is seed money there, it may be easier to find more money and people to invest so 1065 01:32:39,840 --> 01:32:47,679 that Silverstein Park can have a restroom and a shelter. Um 1066 01:32:45,920 --> 01:32:55,040 how are the roads and the sidewalks paid for now? And how did this, to your 1067 01:32:50,480 --> 01:33:00,400 point, um the sidewalk in Rosenwald get to be the worst in the city before it 1068 01:32:57,280 --> 01:33:06,639 was addressed even now? So that's that's another concern. We have already given 1069 01:33:03,600 --> 01:33:11,920 11,000 or 14,000 to the soccer field from this fund. And so we're chipping at 1070 01:33:09,440 --> 01:33:15,679 it bit by bit and there still won't be a shelter and there still won't be a 1071 01:33:13,679 --> 01:33:21,840 restroom. So I would like to see what the other options are. It's a small 1072 01:33:17,520 --> 01:33:27,840 budget. Uh to uh Lidle's point, it's a small budget. It's not that much money. 1073 01:33:23,840 --> 01:33:30,880 $89,000 is not that much money. And so I feel like that there can be other 1074 01:33:28,960 --> 01:33:37,760 options to address these other problems and get back to maybe the promise that 1075 01:33:32,800 --> 01:33:43,440 was made years ago and address that. Um when um other another community came and 1076 01:33:41,440 --> 01:33:48,480 needed speed bumps, it seems like it happened expeditiously. And so why are 1077 01:33:46,159 --> 01:33:52,639 we having to go into this fund to get speed bumps? And so those are my 1078 01:33:51,280 --> 01:33:58,400 questions. Those are my comments. Those are my concerns. And I would like to 1079 01:33:55,679 --> 01:34:03,600 before we move forward in this and not make a decision tonight to get comments 1080 01:34:01,199 --> 01:34:07,920 from our constituents, find out what everybody wants and let's be in 1081 01:34:05,120 --> 01:34:13,199 agreement with this. >> Mr. Wise. 1082 01:34:10,000 --> 01:34:14,800 » Yeah. One question first about the um HAC housing. 1083 01:34:14,680 --> 01:34:20,080 » [clears throat] >> We were talking about time-sensitive 1084 01:34:16,560 --> 01:34:25,280 projects. Is that not a little time-sensitive to get that funded, 1085 01:34:22,800 --> 01:34:28,400 whatever way we choose to do it? >> I mean, there's got to be a a finite 1086 01:34:27,440 --> 01:34:30,480 timeline on this. >> Well, we've made the commitment. 1087 01:34:29,760 --> 01:34:32,000 » Yeah. >> And so, 1088 01:34:30,880 --> 01:34:36,239 » well, that's what I'm worried about. >> That's right. And so, we've sort of 1089 01:34:34,480 --> 01:34:42,560 reset the shot clock a little bit by making the commitment. Um, 1090 01:34:39,360 --> 01:34:47,199 but we don't need to know uh where the money is coming from until the invoice 1091 01:34:44,800 --> 01:34:51,280 comes to and we don't expect that to be till when do we learn about the when do 1092 01:34:49,920 --> 01:34:53,199 we learn about whether we receive the grant or not? 1093 01:34:51,840 --> 01:35:00,400 » We are hoping to find out about the grant in November. um we then would need 1094 01:34:56,639 --> 01:35:05,120 to move pretty quickly on the actual excuse me on the actual construction of 1095 01:35:02,159 --> 01:35:10,639 that because um not only would it be contingent on that federal dollars but 1096 01:35:07,920 --> 01:35:16,000 um hack would then be able to move forward with their project and and slot 1097 01:35:13,440 --> 01:35:23,199 in some other funding sources. Um, but I I will just as a reminder, the 1098 01:35:19,920 --> 01:35:28,480 uh sewer extension is part of our agreement in giving hack that property 1099 01:35:26,159 --> 01:35:32,880 for affordable housing. So, it it's part of a larger agreement for for that site 1100 01:35:30,960 --> 01:35:37,920 to be able to be feasible for housing in the first place. So, um though the 1101 01:35:35,600 --> 01:35:41,600 actual construction on it is is going to be on a quicker timeline if we're able 1102 01:35:39,520 --> 01:35:44,639 to get this grant, um it is something that was still part of the the 1103 01:35:43,199 --> 01:35:48,800 contemplation of the site in the first place. [clears throat] 1104 01:35:45,120 --> 01:35:54,560 » Okay. Thank you. Um, so we we made a very clear promise I 1105 01:35:52,320 --> 01:36:01,600 feel like during our budget negotiations about what this um, you know, remember 1106 01:35:58,880 --> 01:36:05,840 this money was moved into fund 82 from our general fund and we made a promise 1107 01:36:04,000 --> 01:36:13,679 to keep it there for infrastructure dedicated to Rosenwald as a commitment 1108 01:36:09,280 --> 01:36:18,239 to um to that community and to the needs of infrastructure which may or may not 1109 01:36:15,520 --> 01:36:23,679 have and have been neglected over time. And so we're trying to do what we can to 1110 01:36:20,960 --> 01:36:28,560 improve that infrastructure improvement. Um I will also say the number top two 1111 01:36:26,960 --> 01:36:33,520 things that I hear about and I think most of city council hears about are is 1112 01:36:30,560 --> 01:36:38,639 affordable housing and sidewalks and streets. Those are certainly the top two 1113 01:36:36,560 --> 01:36:45,360 that I hear about and and people are there is no housing uh in our community 1114 01:36:42,320 --> 01:36:51,360 and all over the city. Now, Carver may be one of the worst. It's it's not the 1115 01:36:48,239 --> 01:36:56,400 only worst one. We have issues. And Rosenwald is is is lucky because it's 1116 01:36:54,560 --> 01:37:03,520 the only neighborhood that has a discrete fund right now that we made a 1117 01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:10,000 promise to use for these exact projects. So, I want to honor that promise and use 1118 01:37:08,080 --> 01:37:18,159 this for those kind of infrastructure projects. And as Mr. Baker said the the 1119 01:37:14,800 --> 01:37:24,320 housing hack housing to me is critical because one it's the number one thing we 1120 01:37:19,920 --> 01:37:29,360 hear about. It is home ownership and it could provide a million dollars for home 1121 01:37:26,560 --> 01:37:37,520 repair targeted in Rosenwald which is an opportunity I think we cannot pass up. 1122 01:37:33,679 --> 01:37:41,920 And then Carver Street. My mom was in a wheelchair for a long time and I've 1123 01:37:39,760 --> 01:37:48,639 actually seen people on Carver trying to negotiate that street and I just don't 1124 01:37:45,679 --> 01:37:53,440 see how if we have the option to move forward and and fix it that we don't. 1125 01:37:50,880 --> 01:37:59,119 Um, you know, I think it is one of the worst sidewalks in the community and I I 1126 01:37:56,080 --> 01:38:02,800 can't justify why that is the case, but we have a chance now to to fix that and 1127 01:38:01,520 --> 01:38:08,880 I feel like that's that's really critical for us. And finally, during our 1128 01:38:06,639 --> 01:38:13,199 budget retreat, we did make a promise to deal with Carolina Avenue. I mean, we we 1129 01:38:11,280 --> 01:38:20,320 made that clearly. We we talked about it. So for me, I love all the things in 1130 01:38:17,840 --> 01:38:24,560 this list and I think this is why making these decisions 1131 01:38:22,560 --> 01:38:30,000 um can be really challenging because yes, I would love to fund all of them, 1132 01:38:26,719 --> 01:38:33,760 but we can't we can't do that. Um so we have to prioritize 1133 01:38:31,840 --> 01:38:37,840 and when I hear what the public tells me about what their priorities are, I think 1134 01:38:35,440 --> 01:38:46,000 this list sort of begins to to sort itself. Um, and so that's why I would be 1135 01:38:42,159 --> 01:38:49,679 in favor of of the Carver sidewalks. I'm very apprehensive about paving Carver 1136 01:38:48,080 --> 01:38:56,960 and then having to go back and tear it back up. Um, to me the the housing is 1137 01:38:53,440 --> 01:39:02,560 critical. I don't I don't see that's so important. And then we made we did make 1138 01:38:58,800 --> 01:39:05,280 a promise to Carolina Avenue. And that's all I have. 1139 01:39:04,159 --> 01:39:08,719 » Miss Holder, did you have another comment? 1140 01:39:05,600 --> 01:39:11,760 » I do. um for Emily. She's still here. She's there. 1141 01:39:09,440 --> 01:39:17,040 » Yes, she's here. >> Um when the promise was made to provide 1142 01:39:15,360 --> 01:39:20,560 the sewer extension, where were you all thinking the funding was coming from at 1143 01:39:18,560 --> 01:39:23,800 that time? Because this funding was not brought up. 1144 01:39:24,639 --> 01:39:31,760 it was >> well um the the first part of that I 1145 01:39:28,719 --> 01:39:36,159 guess is that the total project cost and it's eluding me right now what the 1146 01:39:33,679 --> 01:39:41,600 original project cost was but um the project costs went up significantly with 1147 01:39:38,560 --> 01:39:46,080 um the Culver improvements and and um expansion that needed to be done. So 1148 01:39:43,440 --> 01:39:51,520 that made it uh much more expensive than originally anticipated because of the 1149 01:39:47,840 --> 01:39:56,880 route it needed to take. Um I cannot speak towards the the remainder of that. 1150 01:39:53,440 --> 01:40:02,489 Do you know how much more? >> I can get it in one second. 1151 01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:05,199 » Um, [snorts] 1152 01:40:03,600 --> 01:40:10,239 and it's not that you all know how I feel about housing. I feel very strongly 1153 01:40:07,280 --> 01:40:14,960 about it. I don't disagree, but I feel like this project was already 1154 01:40:12,960 --> 01:40:21,199 discussed and decided upon to build the housing project and provide sewer before 1155 01:40:18,320 --> 01:40:25,760 the Roser Raw money came up. And so I'm trying to understand why we're trying to 1156 01:40:22,639 --> 01:40:29,440 put it in there. Um in in other words, look at other options. 1157 01:40:27,840 --> 01:40:32,719 Um >> Shnie, while she's looking, would you 1158 01:40:30,800 --> 01:40:36,960 bring the other table back up on the screen, please? 1159 01:40:34,239 --> 01:40:41,280 » And then the other issue with the uh million dollars that's been mentioned a 1160 01:40:38,480 --> 01:40:46,880 couple times. I think that we need to do something to provide trust in the 1161 01:40:44,239 --> 01:40:51,360 community. I've been hurt told that historically there was money that was 1162 01:40:49,119 --> 01:40:58,800 given to the Rosen Wild community, a grant corre correct me if I'm wrong, but 1163 01:40:55,360 --> 01:41:03,600 they didn't see what was promised and anybody can correct me if I'm wrong. So, 1164 01:41:02,159 --> 01:41:07,760 I think that we need to build up the trust in the community that if if this 1165 01:41:05,520 --> 01:41:15,040 million dollars comes, who is it going to serve and in what way 1166 01:41:11,840 --> 01:41:21,119 rather than just getting a little trash can or something. So, I'm y'all 1167 01:41:18,480 --> 01:41:25,199 know I'm transparent and um I'm just trying to get to the answers and get to 1168 01:41:22,639 --> 01:41:30,239 the bottom of it and be fair. Uh when it comes to the infrastructure with the 1169 01:41:26,800 --> 01:41:36,400 seat with the streets, uh Carver is um in need of repair and so is Mills 1170 01:41:32,480 --> 01:41:41,920 Avenue. is is poor and uh I've been driving that route 1171 01:41:38,400 --> 01:41:49,000 since um the detours there and it's it's in poor condition and both roads lead to 1172 01:41:45,199 --> 01:41:49,000 the uh center. 1173 01:41:50,320 --> 01:41:55,760 » Thank you, >> council member. This is the funding 1174 01:41:53,679 --> 01:42:01,199 strategy that I proposed for the sewer extension a few weeks ago. And note that 1175 01:41:58,080 --> 01:42:06,960 it did include 25,000 from fund 82. >> Okay, I understand that. But I'm going 1176 01:42:02,800 --> 01:42:14,320 back before three weeks ago, even to last year when we talked about housing, 1177 01:42:09,920 --> 01:42:16,320 building the housing in uh on cashiers. The 1178 01:42:14,639 --> 01:42:21,040 » we weren't talking about Rosenwall money at that time. 1179 01:42:18,719 --> 01:42:25,600 » I I can't speak to to that, but the original cost estimate was about 40,000 1180 01:42:23,440 --> 01:42:31,440 for design and materials with city staff labor. And then um because of the added 1181 01:42:28,800 --> 01:42:35,159 complexities of the area uh the proposal was at 88,400. 1182 01:42:36,560 --> 01:42:46,159 » So where was that coming from when the promise was made to provide the sewer? 1183 01:42:43,760 --> 01:42:52,239 » It was unfunded because there wasn't as there wasn't a time crunch. Um 1184 01:42:49,679 --> 01:42:55,280 that was when we set the budget. We didn't know that we were going to apply 1185 01:42:53,360 --> 01:43:00,400 for this grant that was going to accelerate the schedule as much as it 1186 01:42:57,600 --> 01:43:05,119 did. >> So, can we get other options? 1187 01:43:03,360 --> 01:43:08,400 » Well, so as you can see in the right hand column there, those are the 1188 01:43:06,880 --> 01:43:11,639 » those are the options you're providing. >> Yes, ma'am. 1189 01:43:12,000 --> 01:43:17,239 » I would like to see Rosen Wall taken out of those options. 1190 01:43:31,600 --> 01:43:34,760 I don't 1191 01:43:35,280 --> 01:43:41,840 » sewer fund. >> Yeah, that's 1192 01:43:39,360 --> 01:43:48,000 » Yeah, I'd like to see other options. >> The sewer fund is there. 1193 01:43:45,360 --> 01:43:51,520 » Okay. Thank you. We have additional comments, Mr. 1194 01:43:48,880 --> 01:43:58,239 » L. Yeah, I just, you know, I want to re try to reiterate in case folks didn't 1195 01:43:54,800 --> 01:44:04,639 didn't hear my first comments. Um, $25,000 on an $88,000 budget is a pretty 1196 01:44:02,560 --> 01:44:11,199 large percentage. I'm terrible at math. I'm sure somebody knows what that is. 1197 01:44:06,960 --> 01:44:16,719 $25,000 on a $2.4 million budget. Um, I'm not sure why we're even 1198 01:44:14,480 --> 01:44:22,719 discussing it, to be honest. take it out of the the fund that water sewer is 1199 01:44:19,679 --> 01:44:27,440 meant for water and sewer. And if all you need is 25,000, 1200 01:44:25,280 --> 01:44:30,960 um I'm not sure why it needs to come out of 1201 01:44:29,280 --> 01:44:35,360 anywhere other than the water and sewer budget. 1202 01:44:32,639 --> 01:44:40,480 It's not a it's it's not like there's $500,000 1203 01:44:37,679 --> 01:44:47,280 uh shortfall where we need to find other other areas. $25,000 taken out of out of 1204 01:44:44,800 --> 01:44:52,320 that um out of the fund balance. At the end of 1205 01:44:49,840 --> 01:44:59,119 the day, I'm not sure I'm not sure why we need to redirect any of those dollars 1206 01:44:55,440 --> 01:45:06,000 to take $25,000 out of an $88,000 budget. And also I just wanted to say um 1207 01:45:02,960 --> 01:45:11,119 affordable housing obviously, but remember anyone 1208 01:45:08,560 --> 01:45:17,679 um including folks that don't live in Transsylvania County can can 1209 01:45:14,320 --> 01:45:23,199 um take advantage of of the housing uh that's going up in Rosenwald. they can 1210 01:45:20,480 --> 01:45:27,119 obviously uh we're doing our best to communicate that to the folks in in the 1211 01:45:25,280 --> 01:45:33,280 community and the folks Bvard folks in Transsylvania County, but um the most 1212 01:45:31,440 --> 01:45:40,400 recent communication that I've heard is that very few very few um so far are uh 1213 01:45:39,040 --> 01:45:44,960 you know currently live in the community. 1214 01:45:42,159 --> 01:45:56,239 And that's no one no one's fault. That's just the reality. So, um the the housing 1215 01:45:51,199 --> 01:46:02,480 can happen, but this isn't um it will happen whether or not $25,000 is taken 1216 01:45:58,719 --> 01:46:07,520 out of this fund. So, let's again I say, you know, let's let's let's put it in 1217 01:46:04,800 --> 01:46:13,440 infrastructure projects that are that are visible. Um 1218 01:46:10,560 --> 01:46:18,199 $60,000 for engineer drawings. I know they're necessary. Um, 1219 01:46:19,440 --> 01:46:30,320 but I I I I think that we get a finished product if we if we um 1220 01:46:28,320 --> 01:46:33,840 supplement the the power bill, the work that's already being done. We get a 1221 01:46:31,840 --> 01:46:43,600 finished product and it's it's safe right away. Um, and I would say that 1222 01:46:37,360 --> 01:46:48,880 that street is is likely used. Um it's likely a very main thoroughfare to get 1223 01:46:46,719 --> 01:46:54,159 from downtown um to the community center and back. Not 1224 01:46:52,239 --> 01:47:00,639 to say that folks don't come from other other streets. Um so again I' I'd 1225 01:46:57,440 --> 01:47:04,719 reiterate I'm not sure if it's a debate that we should be having to be honest. 1226 01:47:02,639 --> 01:47:09,360 $25,000 take it from the fund that it's earmarked for water and sewer and uh 1227 01:47:07,840 --> 01:47:15,440 Carolina Avenue. I think we're all in agreement of that. Um and then um again 1228 01:47:12,719 --> 01:47:20,159 I would advocate just to get the project uh complete and safe and folks can walk 1229 01:47:17,600 --> 01:47:24,320 up and down the street. >> I'd like to make a comment. 1230 01:47:22,000 --> 01:47:31,520 » Yes, Mr. D. >> So I was against establishing this fund 1231 01:47:27,760 --> 01:47:36,960 when we discussed it in our budget organization. I felt like it was 1232 01:47:34,159 --> 01:47:40,560 creating a fund just for one community at the expense of the other communities 1233 01:47:39,040 --> 01:47:46,000 in our city. And so now we sit here uh we created 1234 01:47:43,600 --> 01:47:51,520 this fund for infrastructure in Rosenwall and now we're sitting here 1235 01:47:48,560 --> 01:47:58,880 having a debate about not spending it for infrastructure in Rosenwall 1236 01:47:55,040 --> 01:48:03,520 because the hack community is in Rosenwall. We are talking about sewer 1237 01:48:02,000 --> 01:48:07,600 infrastructure and the people who will be living in 1238 01:48:05,600 --> 01:48:12,239 those houses are going to be citizens of the 1239 01:48:09,199 --> 01:48:19,920 Rosenwall community by the fact that they live there. Um, so I I don't 1240 01:48:16,400 --> 01:48:26,480 understand why this is a problem, why anyone would say that we shouldn't spend 1241 01:48:22,080 --> 01:48:31,440 this money on this sewer system. I mean, if there is money elsewhere, that's 1242 01:48:28,719 --> 01:48:37,280 fine. But I think the point's been made that that money is needed elsewhere as 1243 01:48:34,560 --> 01:48:41,600 well. So this is money that's unallocated. 1244 01:48:39,840 --> 01:48:47,119 We're what we're trying to do here is allocate the money and this is a small 1245 01:48:45,600 --> 01:48:52,639 amount that's coming out of a fund that was 1246 01:48:49,679 --> 01:48:59,600 created for this purpose. So I don't get it. uh 1247 01:48:57,280 --> 01:49:07,600 is $25,000 of infrastructure in Rosenwall which is 1248 01:49:02,480 --> 01:49:11,440 what this fund was created for. So say that 1249 01:49:08,400 --> 01:49:15,360 » you madame mayor. May I make sorry I know round robin. 1250 01:49:12,800 --> 01:49:20,800 » Yes. Go ahead M. I just I do want to say that in terms of this 2.5 million water 1251 01:49:18,880 --> 01:49:26,159 sewer, I want to remind people that we are on the cusp of a 80 million 1252 01:49:24,480 --> 01:49:32,639 wastewater treatment plant. So I don't know what the percentage of 80 million 1253 01:49:28,880 --> 01:49:36,880 and 2.5 million is. But not to mention that we also would love to we're looking 1254 01:49:34,960 --> 01:49:43,600 at a new water intake because we only have one water intake plant. So, not to 1255 01:49:41,600 --> 01:49:47,840 mention the David, I don't know how many miles of 1256 01:49:45,840 --> 01:49:53,119 underground infrastructure we have to maintain in terms of sewer and water 1257 01:49:49,679 --> 01:49:59,520 right now that we just finished mapping um and have found multiple issues with. 1258 01:49:56,480 --> 01:50:03,840 So, um I think it's a bit disingenuous to look at this 2.5 million is just 1259 01:50:01,440 --> 01:50:09,600 money sitting around with no use. It's actually so overallocated at this point 1260 01:50:07,440 --> 01:50:13,600 um with all the other infrastructures that would improve the entire city 1261 01:50:11,280 --> 01:50:18,639 include including everyone who lives in Rosenwald. Um that I would just be 1262 01:50:17,040 --> 01:50:25,280 careful about thinking of that as just money where whereas we do have a 1263 01:50:21,920 --> 01:50:29,600 discrete fund specifically for infrastructure improvement in this 1264 01:50:27,119 --> 01:50:34,880 neighborhood which is what we're talking about that here. So just be cautious 1265 01:50:32,639 --> 01:50:40,159 when you when you talk when you see a number and try to figure out what that's 1266 01:50:37,600 --> 01:50:44,239 really being used for. That's all. Sorry. 1267 01:50:41,920 --> 01:50:50,159 All right. Well, we've had quite a good discussion on all of the options that 1268 01:50:47,119 --> 01:50:54,560 the manager has put forward. As uh [clears throat] 1269 01:50:52,239 --> 01:50:59,920 the staff report said, there was no action requested tonight. This was for 1270 01:50:57,840 --> 01:51:07,520 information and discussion and to give the manager an idea of where people's 1271 01:51:04,080 --> 01:51:12,239 position was. So, you're not looking for any actual motion or vote this evening. 1272 01:51:11,280 --> 01:51:15,199 Is that correct? >> That's correct, manager. 1273 01:51:13,440 --> 01:51:19,520 » It sounds like I've got a few follow-up items uh that I'll bring back um in the 1274 01:51:18,639 --> 01:51:27,119 weeks to come. >> Okay. Very good. All right. We will 1275 01:51:24,000 --> 01:51:31,199 quickly move on to our last item of new business 1276 01:51:28,880 --> 01:51:36,000 which is the appointment of at large member to the acousta trail advisory 1277 01:51:33,360 --> 01:51:41,199 board and I believe Mr. Lidle is going to present this. 1278 01:51:37,920 --> 01:51:50,000 » Sure. The uh uh acousta trail board uh met uh we have um uh vacancies on the 1279 01:51:46,639 --> 01:51:55,440 board. Uh we had applications from great uh great uh two great candidates that 1280 01:51:51,920 --> 01:52:01,440 submitted um and we decided that uh given where we are um in the process for 1281 01:51:58,719 --> 01:52:08,159 the acoustic trail board that Mr. Joseph Moore um was uh uh the strong uh the 1282 01:52:06,560 --> 01:52:14,480 strong candidate that we'd like to put forward. So we're asking for that uh 1283 01:52:10,719 --> 01:52:18,000 that appointment uh for Mr. uh Joseph Joseph Moore uh to fill that fill that 1284 01:52:17,119 --> 01:52:22,239 seat. >> Okay. Council, do I have a motion to 1285 01:52:20,320 --> 01:52:24,800 appoint Joseph Moore to the Acousta Trail Advisory Board? 1286 01:52:24,080 --> 01:52:27,360 » So move. >> Do I have a second? 1287 01:52:26,159 --> 01:52:30,639 » Second. >> Open it up for any other discussion. 1288 01:52:29,440 --> 01:52:33,840 Miss Holder. >> No comments. Mr. Wise, 1289 01:52:32,560 --> 01:52:38,239 » you know, the name is strangely familiar, so [laughter] 1290 01:52:36,080 --> 01:52:40,320 I feel confident in this. >> Mr. Baker, 1291 01:52:39,199 --> 01:52:41,760 » I have no comments. >> Mr. Daniel, 1292 01:52:41,119 --> 01:52:43,440 » no comment. >> Mr. Lidle. 1293 01:52:42,480 --> 01:52:45,760 » No cover. >> All in favor? 1294 01:52:44,560 --> 01:52:50,639 » I. >> Motion passes. All right, that is the 1295 01:52:48,239 --> 01:52:54,880 end of new business. We will quickly go through final remarks. 1296 01:52:52,639 --> 01:53:00,480 » Oh, I don't know about that. >> Oh, yes. [laughter] 1297 01:52:57,440 --> 01:53:05,040 All right. And uh we will go ahead and we will start with Mr. Weise. 1298 01:53:03,599 --> 01:53:09,040 » I have no comments. >> Oh, boy. 1299 01:53:05,760 --> 01:53:14,800 » Oh, excellent. [laughter] >> I'm basking in the love and I just 1300 01:53:12,239 --> 01:53:18,480 Miss Holder. >> Okay, I'll I'll I'll take his time. 1301 01:53:17,668 --> 01:53:24,960 [laughter] >> That wasn't That wasn't the implication. 1302 01:53:22,880 --> 01:53:31,440 » I don't have many, but I I do want to say 1303 01:53:27,280 --> 01:53:36,400 thank you, Chief. Thank you. Um I know that took a lot 1304 01:53:34,719 --> 01:53:43,119 because when a leader makes a decision to do something and we have to go back 1305 01:53:38,639 --> 01:53:50,560 on it uh is not without clear thought. Um the process of um letting go but also 1306 01:53:48,000 --> 01:53:57,040 the process of realizing um what the people want and you did 1307 01:53:54,320 --> 01:54:02,760 both. Thank you. Um 1308 01:53:59,040 --> 01:54:02,760 to the 1309 01:54:03,760 --> 01:54:14,639 the $2.5 million to Lawrence Point, the $25,000 in Rosenwald. I hate to keep 1310 01:54:11,599 --> 01:54:20,880 beating this horse is only it's not it's about 1% of that 2.5. Am I right? I'm 1311 01:54:18,719 --> 01:54:27,119 not a good mathematician, but it's not that much money um for money to Midle's 1312 01:54:24,880 --> 01:54:34,719 point that was already set aside for sewer. So, I will always hold to that. 1313 01:54:30,639 --> 01:54:42,159 Um I just had a realization here that is is bothering me. I heard someone say 1314 01:54:38,960 --> 01:54:46,159 that um you know the citizens of Bvard I mean the citizens of Rosenwall and we 1315 01:54:44,400 --> 01:54:53,599 should feel lucky that we have this money in Rosenwall. I think we if we can 1316 01:54:50,800 --> 01:54:58,719 wrap our heads around myself included that we're not just citizens of 1317 01:54:55,119 --> 01:55:02,080 Rosenwall we are citizens of Bvard. And if we look at each other like that we 1318 01:55:00,960 --> 01:55:06,639 won't even have to have these conversations. All of the roads will be 1319 01:55:04,320 --> 01:55:09,679 equally well taken care of. we wouldn't have to have conversations 1320 01:55:08,080 --> 01:55:14,159 about where money is coming from from sewer because it's in Rosenwall. 1321 01:55:12,480 --> 01:55:19,280 I think if we look at each other as citizens of Brevard 1322 01:55:16,480 --> 01:55:24,320 and not you live here, I live there, but we all live together. We work together. 1323 01:55:22,239 --> 01:55:28,080 We eat at restaurants together. I don't go to a restaurant and say I'm a citizen 1324 01:55:25,920 --> 01:55:35,599 of Rosen Wall. I live in Bvard. That's what's on my license, driver's license. 1325 01:55:31,440 --> 01:55:37,520 I live in Bvard. We live in Bvard. Amen. 1326 01:55:36,719 --> 01:55:41,280 » Amen. >> That's all I got, 1327 01:55:40,080 --> 01:55:47,760 » Mr. Baker. >> I I'll I will say amen to that. Um, but 1328 01:55:44,560 --> 01:55:54,280 I also am going to uh speak on that a little bit further 1329 01:55:51,280 --> 01:55:54,280 and 1330 01:55:54,560 --> 01:55:57,880 say that 1331 01:55:58,560 --> 01:56:08,320 the the existing of the existence of this 1332 01:56:04,239 --> 01:56:13,679 Rosenald fund and what we did tonight was essentially like a budget exercise. 1333 01:56:11,679 --> 01:56:19,360 And I think everybody up here is aware that like the most painful [laughter] 1334 01:56:16,560 --> 01:56:23,840 things we do all year are budget exercises. 1335 01:56:21,119 --> 01:56:29,679 And now we're talking about a budget exercise for a 1336 01:56:26,480 --> 01:56:38,719 single a a neighborhood and a neighborhood with a history of 1337 01:56:32,960 --> 01:56:44,000 um being underfunded by the city and all of you know I mean that that's 1338 01:56:41,520 --> 01:56:51,520 putting it very lightly but it makes these conversations extremely 1339 01:56:48,639 --> 01:56:56,800 difficult and hard and tense. And it creates a division 1340 01:56:54,719 --> 01:57:04,840 amongst the folks up here that I just 1341 01:57:00,320 --> 01:57:04,840 I don't enjoy it 1342 01:57:08,800 --> 01:57:16,000 » because I'm sorry we have to think about and I 1343 01:57:12,639 --> 01:57:21,679 live on Mcmmin, you know, Mickey Park. My neighbors are they're looking at me 1344 01:57:19,119 --> 01:57:27,520 and And when we're having these discussions 1345 01:57:24,480 --> 01:57:31,280 about the Rosenald Fund, you know what goes unset is that there 1346 01:57:29,520 --> 01:57:34,719 are two black council members up here and there are three white council 1347 01:57:32,639 --> 01:57:42,346 members up here. And no one I don't like thinking about 1348 01:57:36,880 --> 01:57:42,346 that. I hate it. I hate it. [snorts] 1349 01:57:43,040 --> 01:57:52,239 I don't want to do that anymore because as Councilwoman 1350 01:57:49,280 --> 01:57:59,599 Holder said, we are all citizens of Bvard and 1351 01:57:55,840 --> 01:58:03,679 that is why I I happens with the Rosenwald fund and 1352 01:58:02,480 --> 01:58:08,719 we're going to make those decisions later. We we need to we need to close 1353 01:58:07,040 --> 01:58:12,719 this chapter out. We need to do what's right. 1354 01:58:11,280 --> 01:58:17,760 And I don't I'm not sure what that is right now, but we'll figure it out. And 1355 01:58:14,639 --> 01:58:22,800 then we need to we need to get back to doing the business of the 1356 01:58:19,760 --> 01:58:29,199 city as the whole city. And 1357 01:58:25,199 --> 01:58:33,679 um I believe we can do that. Um I hope we can do that. 1358 01:58:31,199 --> 01:58:38,621 And I'm going to move on to another tense 1359 01:58:36,239 --> 01:58:41,280 topic, which is the the cameras. [laughter] 1360 01:58:39,520 --> 01:58:45,760 Um, and we didn't get a chance to talk about him earlier, so I'm going to take 1361 01:58:43,760 --> 01:58:51,119 a just a second now to talk about. And I do want to thank the chief um, uh, 1362 01:58:49,440 --> 01:58:56,320 Councilman Lidle and I serve on the public safety committee, so we were, you 1363 01:58:53,360 --> 01:59:01,199 know, we heard about this a lot, multiple meetings there. Um, and we 1364 01:58:58,960 --> 01:59:04,400 hadn't served together very long, so, you know, you're always kind of feeling 1365 01:59:02,639 --> 01:59:10,719 people out when you're on a committee with with them. And I it was great 1366 01:59:06,159 --> 01:59:14,880 because I just like pushed my seat back and just let Dean go crazy with his 1367 01:59:12,880 --> 01:59:20,960 questions and he asked so many good questions. Um and we learned a lot 1368 01:59:17,520 --> 01:59:27,840 through that process. Um but here we are at the end. I I think uh again the chief 1369 01:59:24,159 --> 01:59:34,719 did such a great job about uh informing us about the issue but 1370 01:59:32,000 --> 01:59:41,920 beyond that she had policies written and ready to go um that I 1371 01:59:38,639 --> 01:59:48,320 am comfortable saying would would keep um keep the citizens of Bvard safe and 1372 01:59:45,040 --> 01:59:56,080 that our officers would um would handle that in a in a in a good way. Um, but 1373 01:59:54,320 --> 02:00:04,639 as I learned more about this, I mean, these are not just cameras um connected 1374 01:59:59,360 --> 02:00:08,719 to, you know, a server or a server that's located within the 1375 02:00:06,880 --> 02:00:13,119 police department. You know, you think of them hooked up, they're going they're 1376 02:00:11,440 --> 02:00:19,040 feeding into a tape machine somewhere like it's 1995. 1377 02:00:15,440 --> 02:00:25,440 um the these photograph all this data is housed somewhere else Atlanta who knows 1378 02:00:22,639 --> 02:00:30,080 where and you know we sign a contract that says well we own that data you know 1379 02:00:28,400 --> 02:00:36,239 but and I'm not naive I know that the modern 1380 02:00:32,960 --> 02:00:39,520 world um you know you own movies or you own music that you never actually hold 1381 02:00:38,080 --> 02:00:46,719 in your hands but when we're talking about sensitive information from the 1382 02:00:42,000 --> 02:00:53,199 public it's hard to trust a thirdparty multi-billion dollar security company um 1383 02:00:50,800 --> 02:01:00,159 that this sensitive data is going to be safe 1384 02:00:55,920 --> 02:01:05,840 and and that is why I I am not a fan of these and and moving forward with this 1385 02:01:02,400 --> 02:01:10,560 right now. Um and I also think and I didn't get a chance to to say this at 1386 02:01:08,560 --> 02:01:15,320 the committee level and I probably should have but I do think that there's 1387 02:01:12,080 --> 02:01:15,320 a larger 1388 02:01:15,360 --> 02:01:22,000 theme here which is the vision that we have for the police department and we've 1389 02:01:20,719 --> 02:01:26,239 been through a lot with the department over the last few years. We had a 1390 02:01:23,599 --> 02:01:31,599 complete uh turnover in the leadership over there. But throughout that, we were 1391 02:01:28,320 --> 02:01:37,040 pretty clear we wanted a community-based uh police department that were out and 1392 02:01:33,760 --> 02:01:41,040 about that we they were vis visible. And I know that this technology does not 1393 02:01:39,520 --> 02:01:46,320 mean that they would be sitting behind a screen doing all their police work 1394 02:01:42,880 --> 02:01:54,639 there. Um, but it does make you think about what putting cameras up symbolizes 1395 02:01:51,760 --> 02:02:00,480 in terms of where our department is going. And uh and so I'm glad we didn't 1396 02:01:57,840 --> 02:02:05,199 we didn't make that decision tonight. Uh I'm also glad that the public was able 1397 02:02:02,719 --> 02:02:12,320 to weigh in and I'm really proud of the transparent process that we we undertook 1398 02:02:08,400 --> 02:02:17,440 and um I hope we can continue doing that in the future. 1399 02:02:14,719 --> 02:02:22,560 Um, [snorts] one question for Wilson. Have we heard a response from the county 1400 02:02:20,159 --> 02:02:26,800 about with our letter on the courthouse? >> No, sir. 1401 02:02:23,760 --> 02:02:31,040 » I discussed it today with their vice chair. 1402 02:02:27,520 --> 02:02:38,480 » Okay. Just want to say that publicly. Um, still waiting on a response on that. 1403 02:02:33,679 --> 02:02:42,400 Um, and that is all that is all I have. >> Mr. Daniel, 1404 02:02:40,480 --> 02:02:48,159 » I'd like to thank Mr. Baker for his words about the Rosenwall 1405 02:02:45,840 --> 02:02:54,880 account because I felt like those comments were directed at me personally. 1406 02:02:50,880 --> 02:03:02,480 Uh as I am the one who used the term Rosenwall community, but uh this is a 1407 02:02:59,360 --> 02:03:09,679 an a account that was set up that has the name Rosenwall on it. So, it is just 1408 02:03:06,639 --> 02:03:14,159 the Rosenwall community's money and we've heard that said by members of the 1409 02:03:11,840 --> 02:03:17,599 Rosen Wall community that it's our money, 1410 02:03:15,679 --> 02:03:25,280 not that it's the city's money, it's their money. So, um but I won't pursue 1411 02:03:22,239 --> 02:03:30,719 that any further. I do want to kind of bring back up u I'd kind of like to see 1412 02:03:27,840 --> 02:03:37,520 us get refocused on the acousta trail some. I feel like we've as a council. 1413 02:03:35,440 --> 02:03:44,960 We don't talk about it much and we're not really uh I still don't feel like 1414 02:03:40,880 --> 02:03:50,480 we're ready for what's coming our way. Um, I read an article that, uh, David 1415 02:03:47,760 --> 02:03:55,760 Bradley wrote about the acoustic trail and he mentions a fellow by the name of 1416 02:03:53,199 --> 02:03:59,920 Steve Bert of the Institute of Transportation 1417 02:03:57,360 --> 02:04:07,360 Research and Education at North Carolina State who I believe is has written a 1418 02:04:04,159 --> 02:04:14,400 study on how this trail will affect the city of Bvard in particular. And I would 1419 02:04:10,560 --> 02:04:20,639 ask that our staff follow up on that. If that actually exists, I'd be interested 1420 02:04:17,040 --> 02:04:27,040 to see the results of that. But I would like to encourage us and remind us that 1421 02:04:23,920 --> 02:04:32,080 the there's a title wave coming our way. It's called the Acousta Trail. It's 1422 02:04:29,440 --> 02:04:37,599 going to be a huge economic driver and we need to be ready and I'm not sure 1423 02:04:34,719 --> 02:04:44,159 that we are right now. So that's all I had to say. 1424 02:04:39,040 --> 02:04:52,480 » Mr. Lidle. Um yeah, I I I I see uh tonight as a positive. Um we're elected 1425 02:04:47,599 --> 02:04:57,119 to um to challenge each other. We're not elected for group think. 1426 02:04:55,360 --> 02:05:04,880 And when we when we challenge each other, it allows us to get to decisions 1427 02:05:00,719 --> 02:05:08,880 that uh that are best, right? So I see tonight as a complete positive and 1428 02:05:06,639 --> 02:05:14,080 there's no one uh right after this meeting is over. If we can go quick 1429 02:05:10,719 --> 02:05:22,560 enough I will have coffee with everyone. >> Also I grew up in Rosenwald. 1430 02:05:17,119 --> 02:05:28,080 » I rode my bike every weekend. Uh Mo uh we rode together all the time to to 1431 02:05:24,800 --> 02:05:35,440 Franklin Park. We played football by the library. This whole town is is all of 1432 02:05:31,599 --> 02:05:41,599 ours. And I see myself um as a citizen of Bvard and my thoughts about tonight 1433 02:05:39,040 --> 02:05:47,920 would have been the same. It doesn't matter where I lived in the city. My 1434 02:05:44,159 --> 02:05:53,280 thoughts were based on logic, my own logic and what I thought was best. Not 1435 02:05:50,960 --> 02:05:58,719 because I live in Rosenwald. I've prepared a statement tonight 1436 02:05:55,679 --> 02:06:03,920 because I think it's worth it uh given uh what's transpired the the last few 1437 02:06:00,639 --> 02:06:10,159 days and what tonight. So I I I I did that so that the the chief understands 1438 02:06:06,320 --> 02:06:14,880 uh understands how important I think uh this is and I I just want to say a few 1439 02:06:12,239 --> 02:06:19,280 words about the license plate discussion and the public session we held. Uh first 1440 02:06:17,760 --> 02:06:23,280 I want to thank everyone who came to that and participated regardless of 1441 02:06:21,440 --> 02:06:26,880 where everyone stood on the technology itself. I learned something important at 1442 02:06:25,119 --> 02:06:32,079 that meeting. What I heard was a deep level of concern 1443 02:06:29,360 --> 02:06:37,760 about privacy and especially about how much trust people currently have uh in 1444 02:06:35,599 --> 02:06:42,079 the federal government and in large uh corporations when it comes to the 1445 02:06:39,440 --> 02:06:46,960 personal information. It occurred to me that most citizens don't have many 1446 02:06:44,320 --> 02:06:50,719 meaningful ways to push back on those larger institutions. 1447 02:06:48,960 --> 02:06:55,360 They can't walk into a boardroom of a major tech company. And most people have 1448 02:06:53,199 --> 02:07:01,119 very little direct influence over public over federal policy. 1449 02:06:58,480 --> 02:07:07,040 But they can come here. They can stand in front of their city council and tell 1450 02:07:03,440 --> 02:07:12,239 us what concerns them. In some ways, the discussion was about more than just 1451 02:07:08,719 --> 02:07:12,239 three cameras in Bard. 1452 02:07:12,480 --> 02:07:21,199 Uh this was one place where people felt uh they can make their voices heard 1453 02:07:19,199 --> 02:07:26,000 uh about much larger concern over privacy and surveillance. 1454 02:07:23,520 --> 02:07:31,280 I think it's important that we listened. I also want to recognize Chief Wel. 1455 02:07:29,040 --> 02:07:36,320 She and her department put a tremendous amount of work into researching this 1456 02:07:33,440 --> 02:07:40,560 technology, developing safeguards, answering our questions, and engaging 1457 02:07:37,920 --> 02:07:45,679 with the community. Her decision to withdraw the request should not be 1458 02:07:42,800 --> 02:07:50,280 viewed as a failure of proposal. I view it as a demonstration of 1459 02:07:47,280 --> 02:07:50,280 leadership. 1460 02:07:51,040 --> 02:07:58,719 She has only been chief for a relatively short time, but I've been very impressed 1461 02:07:56,320 --> 02:08:03,599 with what I've seen. She's shown that public trust matters to 1462 02:08:00,800 --> 02:08:07,280 her and that she's willing to listen even when that means considering 1463 02:08:05,119 --> 02:08:11,440 something she believes could not be could help her department. 1464 02:08:09,840 --> 02:08:16,239 There's a difference between having authority and having trust of the 1465 02:08:13,679 --> 02:08:23,280 community you serve. The best public safety leaders understand you need both. 1466 02:08:20,960 --> 02:08:28,079 I believe the chief demonstrated that here and I appreciate her leadership. 1467 02:08:26,000 --> 02:08:33,360 This also doesn't mean that Bvard can never discuss emerging public safety 1468 02:08:30,400 --> 02:08:38,000 technology again. It means that when we do, the community deserves to be a part 1469 02:08:35,679 --> 02:08:41,960 of that conversation and public trust has to be a part of the decision. 1470 02:08:42,400 --> 02:08:48,960 » Thank you, >> Mr. Attorney. 1471 02:08:47,440 --> 02:08:51,679 » I have nothing to add. Just a reminder that we have a little bit of business to 1472 02:08:50,719 --> 02:08:55,199 do after >> we have a close session. Yes, madame 1473 02:08:54,560 --> 02:09:00,560 clerk. >> Nothing for me. Thank you, 1474 02:08:56,960 --> 02:09:05,280 » Mr. Manager. Um, following up on um, Council Member Daniel's remarks, uh, a 1475 02:09:03,599 --> 02:09:08,800 reminder to the board that at our next EAB meeting at the end of this month, 1476 02:09:07,199 --> 02:09:14,239 there will be a presentation on the estimated cost of the trail. And we were 1477 02:09:11,760 --> 02:09:17,760 holding off on doing a lot of additional work regarding the trail until we found 1478 02:09:16,159 --> 02:09:23,280 out whether or not we were going to be able to afford it. And I can report that 1479 02:09:21,119 --> 02:09:28,639 the estimated cost is within the realm of the of possibility. It's not $50 1480 02:09:26,159 --> 02:09:32,480 million. It's not something gody that we could never afford. It's in the 1481 02:09:31,040 --> 02:09:36,079 neighborhood of what we expected. There's still some work to do to close a 1482 02:09:34,079 --> 02:09:40,000 small funding gap. Uh but I do think that the trail will move forward. We 1483 02:09:37,679 --> 02:09:43,679 will be able to build it. And so we're going to pick up some of those issues 1484 02:09:41,520 --> 02:09:48,079 that have been tabled uh for a little while, Gary. Uh and redouble our efforts 1485 02:09:46,800 --> 02:09:54,800 to make sure we're prepared for the arrival of the trail here. 1486 02:09:51,679 --> 02:10:00,880 » All right. Well, I too want to thank Chief Wel and I want to thank the public 1487 02:09:57,440 --> 02:10:06,800 because one of our priorities as your elected leaders and our staff is to hear 1488 02:10:04,480 --> 02:10:13,040 what people have to say. And we go out of our way to give opportunity to the 1489 02:10:09,599 --> 02:10:18,880 public to come to us in different forums and express your opinion. And we do 1490 02:10:16,159 --> 02:10:25,599 listen. That is so important. And yes, it is we the people and That was 1491 02:10:22,480 --> 02:10:31,440 demonstrated, I think, very clearly with the public input session that we had 1492 02:10:28,079 --> 02:10:36,480 such wonderful turnout at, as well as people coming here tonight prepared 1493 02:10:33,599 --> 02:10:42,000 again to speak. Um, but your elected leaders listened to you. We heard your 1494 02:10:38,960 --> 02:10:48,000 concerns and we reacted and took action on those. And that's what it's all 1495 02:10:44,719 --> 02:10:53,360 really about. One of the other things we're going to start doing because we 1496 02:10:50,480 --> 02:10:58,880 really do believe in transparency and we really believe in communication 1497 02:10:55,760 --> 02:11:04,960 and that is we're going to start holding quarterly town hall meetings around the 1498 02:11:01,760 --> 02:11:09,599 city in different portions of the city. We held one in Rosenwald a couple months 1499 02:11:07,199 --> 02:11:16,480 ago. We're going to be holding our next one in the Pisca Forest section of 1500 02:11:12,000 --> 02:11:20,239 Brevard. uh and uh it's going to be of course open to everybody, but it's going 1501 02:11:18,400 --> 02:11:25,440 to focus on things that are happening in that section of town. And I just want to 1502 02:11:22,800 --> 02:11:31,440 mention to people that that is going to be September 29th. So mark your 1503 02:11:28,639 --> 02:11:35,920 calendars uh from 6:00 to 8 and we're going to hold it in the recreation 1504 02:11:33,119 --> 02:11:40,960 center there and staff will be there to give updates on things like the acousta 1505 02:11:38,320 --> 02:11:46,560 trail like uh what's happening at the rec center at the parking lot, what's 1506 02:11:43,520 --> 02:11:51,520 happening with the proposed housing uh that looks like it might be moving 1507 02:11:48,159 --> 02:11:56,880 forward on Morris Road. Uh, so, oh, and we're going to also have NC DOT 1508 02:11:54,800 --> 02:12:04,159 come to talk about what's happening with the big NC DOT projects, including the 1509 02:12:00,239 --> 02:12:07,280 Wilson Road uh, project. So, all of this is going to be at our next 1510 02:12:06,246 --> 02:12:11,760 [clears throat] completely open, transparent town hall 1511 02:12:09,840 --> 02:12:16,560 meeting. And so I encourage people to take advantage of the fact that we 1512 02:12:14,239 --> 02:12:22,159 really are trying to put information out and then give you a chance to give us 1513 02:12:19,360 --> 02:12:28,719 feedback afterwards. And so of course there'll be time for feedback there. So 1514 02:12:24,960 --> 02:12:33,920 that is coming up. Um also on September 24th is my next meet the mayor meeting. 1515 02:12:31,360 --> 02:12:40,400 I hold one every month. I've now held over 50 of them. Uh, and I encourage 1516 02:12:37,360 --> 02:12:45,599 people, this is just another very good way informal setting to come and express 1517 02:12:43,679 --> 02:12:51,360 any of your concerns or your suggestions. And it's 11:30 to 1 at the 1518 02:12:48,800 --> 02:12:57,760 Mary C. Jenkins Center on September 24th. So, your city government really is 1519 02:12:55,119 --> 02:13:03,520 here to represent you and to listen to you and we do want to hear from you. So, 1520 02:13:01,679 --> 02:13:08,000 thank you. And with that, I need a motion to go into close session for 1521 02:13:06,400 --> 02:13:10,000 economic development. >> So moved. 1522 02:13:08,880 --> 02:13:11,599 » Do I have a second? >> Second. 1523 02:13:10,639 --> 02:13:16,800 » All in favor? >> I. 1524 02:13:12,480 --> 02:13:16,800 » We are in close session. Please stop.