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Okay, we're recording and we're live. I'd like to call the order, the Brighton Town Council's special meeting today is Monday June 29, 2026. It's 6.30 p.m., here at Big Cottonwood Fire Station 108. We have everybody in attendance. Would you like me to go through individually or we could just say that. Everybody on the council in attendance.

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and it's pretty clear what we're here for, but we'll get to that in a second. I'd like to start by

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opening this up to public comment. Is there anybody online or here? I'd like to make a comment.

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Okay,

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seeing none, I'm going to jump right into business, business being consideration and possible action

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of an on ordinance adopting fire restrictions that match the city Utah stage two fire restrictions

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with the town Brighton. We're going to discuss this a little bit before we do anything before

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we take the action and I'll go ahead and start by saying that I've had personally had some confusion

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around this topic kind of how like I thought we had already done this. Now in retrospect I think

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we did fireworks. This is fire restrictions in general and we want to make clear to everybody

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both that's joining and also that's listening to the recording, the difference between our jurisdiction,

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the state of Utah, the US Forest Service because I've had a lot of comments come my way but you know

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We can only really adopt an ordinance for our town, right?

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So there, well, it sounds like the Forest Service is meeting on Tuesday tomorrow to probably

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have a similar conversation, but yeah, we've got Chief Ellison here that, Ellison, excuse

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me, that can hopefully help us understand some stuff before we let turn over to Chief and

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Paulie.

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Anybody have any comments?

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It's very confusing.

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Did you want to just before I think you opened the public in front of you?

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I said C9 and moving along. If you were officially closed it, I can.

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It's good. I missed that. I just was.

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No problem. So the confusing thing with this is really.

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I think the forest service part of it because they put restrictions in certain forest.

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But not the one that we're in, and so I think that got confusing because Forest Service says, yeah, we're going to stage two in the Dixie National Forest.

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Well, we're in, not in the Dixie National Forest, so I think that's where a lot of us are usually from.

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But yeah, it's tough to understand our jurisdiction, Forest Service jurisdiction, county, state.

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Everybody seems to be, I don't want to say, doing their own thing, but...

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Yeah, why can't we just say, hey, for stage two, it'd be done.

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Yeah.

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For services to do that.

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Yeah.

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And that's kind of what people thought could have happened, and it wasn't quite that simple.

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That's what I saw in social media was that the state of Utah was in stage two.

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So, I posted that we were in stage two and then I was like, oh, and this were not officially

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in it.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So my comment is that if we are confused as elected officials, the public is really

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confused.

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And every year we get this, I'd like this message to be really sent to all of the agencies

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that are involved with this. And see if they can't come together and have a

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light force in how they what they're calling it. I mean, you know, the

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force service has a totally different number on theirs and it's just it really

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is confusing if they want the public to follow and be educated. They need to be

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working with this with all of us at the same time with the same language the same

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restrictions. It just doesn't make sense. Now I can understand differentiating between, say,

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like Salt Lake City, downtown is different than, say, our town, Brighton. But, you know,

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they could work on that. So I really would like to push that somehow out to those differences.

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We can't do anything about it ourselves. I just would like to see that get out there.

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But if we, if we're confused again, our public is really confused.

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And I haven't watched Laura work on the newsletter repeatedly for the last week.

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I'm going to figure all of a sudden one of the confusing things is it says stage two fire

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restrictions and then it has us four services emblem right there as the national hearts and

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work right there.

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It has a state forestry and fire right there.

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So you kind of go oh stage two covers all those that they're you know yeah I think we should

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have a billboard at the town of Brighton. The town of Brighton sign just have a big billboard

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there that says you are now in stage two fire industry. We can chat about that.

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Yeah they like the electronic sign signage keep before we get to our experts here. Do you have any

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any comments or? No, I can agree with the council. Yes, we'll get to this point where we're

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going to move to the next level and the force of service and the campgrounds are operating in a

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different criteria. It does that confusion, but in the past, when we've gone to this, it's no

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and fires, no cutting, welding, any of those activities.

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Well, before one, this has been the same thing

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we've done every year, but again, I think

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that as Carolyn noted, it's how we can best describe

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what is happening, you know, again, from Walmart

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10 to the top, you know, that's our space.

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So we're just we're creating what we need for the town and of course with the

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governor's mode his movement and the press everybody else into the same

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actions because all the cities look to the local communities their their

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It sounds as well gone to a complete ban on fireworks in every town, so yeah, is the communication

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piece and that's I don't know if there's an easier method, and of course, Jeeps, I'm

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going to say, I don't know, why don't we get to, I don't know if it makes sense, on a legal

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perspective to start with you, Paulie, or from kind of all things fire expert,

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Chief Ellinson, if we want to start with you. Okay, we'll start with legal.

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I agree it's very confusing and even as a lawyer, it took me a long time to kind of

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read through what the different things are. I hope I created a pretty straightforward

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or short stack report that really boiled it down.

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And hopefully it makes it a little more useful.

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The confusion apart is because of how our state,

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you know, part of the reason why municipalities

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are treated differently and why we're not subject

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to the state force three mandates

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is because we have our own jurisdiction, right?

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So it's kind of an acknowledgement

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of our own self-government, so that being said, it creates a lot of confusion, and we have confusion.

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Let me just say, first of all, the default for the town of Brighton is almost the same.

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It's very similar to the stage 1 restrictions.

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We already have restrictions for no fireworks.

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We have restrictions for smoking and we have restrictions for open friends.

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So we're in a good place.

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What's confusing is like Governor Cox just issued this, you know,

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state of emergency and everyone's all up in ours.

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Well, we're already doing that.

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We don't have, we didn't have to change anything with that order.

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With regard to fireworks.

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With regard to fireworks because we already did it.

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Right.

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And that's just to be clear for people because I've been I'm sure we all have been getting a lot of calls

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So like I said anyone who's either listening now or listening in red

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Or you know after the fact to this recording and trying to understand

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Fireworks are banned in Brighton at least during the summer if not if not year-round

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So we've had a fireworks ban already. So what's the governor's order did did not impact us to your point

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We are going to be talking today about things that people normally are able to do.

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Having campfires in approved fire pits to your point about, I think, smoking you can

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do in some places, some dedicated places, you can't do it in the forest ever in our jurisdiction,

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but there are places where you can do it.

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And then any other kind of open flame and, or, you know, heat hot stuff, chain saws, whatever, things that can create sparks.

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So we got to, I think, get really clear on all of the ways that a wildfire could start so that there's no confusion.

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And we also have to get clear with people who, you know, we are.

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We don't have any jurisdiction over ledger mere or the campgrounds at the mouth.

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I definitely follow up with with our district ranger or for supervisor. I'm not sure what is title is Adam Shaw about that, but we don't have jurisdiction. We cannot dictate what they do in any of even in spruces, right?

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Because it's for service. So as when we cleared everyone, we're going to do everything we possibly can, but there's certain things that are outside of our jurisdiction. Sorry to interrupt, but that was really important to make sure that that was all kind of set.

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right exactly because it is because you have open frames kind of fire type things and then you have fire works which are subject to slightly different rules, but we have been fireworks for all summer.

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always and then they're always banned but because the state allowed required that's all we do that

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thing every May is that we ban it in July because we have a history of having um and remember what

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the term is the historic conditions hazardous environmental conditions because we have that in

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town. We ban fireworks every year so that the state cannot supersede our authority to allow fireworks

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for the July holidays. Now the other holiday is that are allowed over I think New Year's

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and maybe Chinese New Year's, but that's winter time where we don't have the same concerns

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like we do now. So we do so that's fireworks. So everyone should be clear. Fireworks are not

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allowed in right noon ever in the summer, right? Like there are meetings finishes. For open

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plans, our deep vault is lost in the entire town except for the federal jurisdiction but everywhere

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within the town. That's not federal. We prohibit open burning, open flames smoking, and the only

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exception are campfires built within facilities provided for them in improved campgrounds, picnic

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areas, or permanently improved places of habitation. So if you own a lot and even if you have a fire pit,

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you cannot have a fire under typical times, right?

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Like that's year-round in Brighton.

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You can't do it.

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You can only do it if you have facilities provided

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in approved campgrounds, picnic areas,

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for house-like homes outside of your home.

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Now, so that's our default.

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That matches closely with the state stage one,

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although there are a few differences which we can consider changing in our future so that we include

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spark plug you know those small combustible engines that have without spark plugs. They seem

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like no riders and also the metal welding so that sparks would start a fire. Right now we don't

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control those but we could change our code so that we ban that and we're similar to that stage one

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at all times. Now where we are is stage two where you know the forest the state has pretty much

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everywhere that is state land in the state is stage two and obviously we're having a terrible

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year with fires. I don't even want to call it unprecedented because it's every year but seems

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particularly bad this year. You had to turn for it to PDS, particularly dangerous situation.

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You had to absolutely label this year for the first time. So I'll let the chief speak to that,

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But so what we're, what's proposed tonight is for the town to match the stage two, which

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will also encompass those combustible engines as well as the welding type things.

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but then the big thing it does is back it.

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Does not allow, it doesn't allow any fire, including campgrounds for homes, unless it's a device

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using pressurized liquid or gas that includes shout-off valves. And they have to be at least

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three feet or more from flammable material. So what that means is, I think you could use

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I'll ask you, if someone has a gas barbeque, or a gas bar a bit, there's only one bit,

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yeah, lander.

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You can do that.

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Or maybe natural gases.

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But you can't do the charcoal, no charcoal.

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No charcoal, barbeque, at your home with this stage.

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For me, just one point of clarification, I want to make sure that I understand it.

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is the place of habitation.

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Yeah, that's what I question too.

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So, you know, you're, you're said at one point that even if you have a fire pit,

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when you're at stage one restriction, you can't have a fire unless it's a, what's the technical

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term? No, like permanently improved places of habitation.

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Right.

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permanently and pressurized water? No, that's under the fire.

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So wondering what the definition of a

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permanently improved place of habitation is because a lot of people have like really solid metal

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fire pits and their understanding is in stage one restrictions that they're able to have a fire outside

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of their home in that fire pit. We want to make sure that, you know, neighbors don't start,

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I mean, granted. Right now, it's going to be no fires. Right. I just want to make that

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unequivocal for everybody listening and moving forward. We're not going to have any fires.

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That's funny because I have the exact same question you have about what this permanently

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improved place of habitation is, which would assume somebody's house. If you have the fire pit like

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Scott is saying, you know, can we have a fire zone you have during stage one or during

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kind of default times and actually so how I am we could this is something we can tweak

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in our group just to make it clearer and just more because it is kind of a weird term.

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Really what it's saying is that and I don't know if you want to go down to page three, I did a

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chart that may be easier for me to read.

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So it says that you're it has to be

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within facilities provided for them. So we should define what is a facility

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provided for them, right? And I'm sure we've been finding something in the

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prior code that defines. We're going to have to work the yeah that's one that I

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would have to defer to you to the attorney to know the definition of I don't know.

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the way I understand it is, no burning.

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And the reason for, you know, the van on the other fuels,

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besides the pressure and gases,

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we're worried about embers.

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I mean, so I don't care if you have a concrete fire

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in your yard, if you're burning wood in it,

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it's gonna throw a lot of embers, it's going in.

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And the wind catches that, and that's all it takes.

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So, I mean, common sense should prevail, I would think.

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But if there are people digging their gills in

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about, you know, they're improved in places or dwell here, but I already wanted to find that.

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Let's have some common sense. It's the number of what we're worried about. It's a little

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far, sort of quite awkward. Yeah. And I completely understand what you're saying with regard to

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common sense, but somebody's going to argue that when it's 30 degrees outside and they're

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snowing the ground, common sense would dictate that they should be able to burn

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if they think that they have this improved. So I do think we need to clarify this moving course.

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right so in other words we've been in a nose no burning in the town of

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Brighton already you know fire burning it's because we've been in stage one

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yeah right because of our default we always say you have to have so default

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let's say it's you know we've gone back to 2223 spring of 23 when it was

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snow on the ground through July, right? Then the default always is you can only have a fire in

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facility provided for them. So think like a fire pit and it can be as long as you have a home.

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And I think the reason for the home is probably because you have a home you have water, right?

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so maybe we can clarify that and at that point you can use wood but not so that's the default

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and then what we're stepping it up now we've matched the stage two it's saying no wood, nothing

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with embers, no charcoal, only gas that can't blow and start fire. It seems worth clarifying and trying

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and simplify in the future for the purposes of tonight.

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We're just gonna talk about the near term, right?

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Which is that we are going to have an open flame ban.

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Yeah, Jeff.

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I would as we do try to clarify this at a later date.

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I know short-term rentals, they're never allowed to have fires.

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Yeah, I would also like that put in there

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so that it's in code.

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Everybody knows.

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Is that not in code?

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Yeah,

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okay, yeah, yeah, I know that's really that's really good point. Yeah. Oh, it would have been an oversight on my part. So that's great.

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Okay, good deal. Anybody else have any other comments or questions before chief. I do have a question for you.

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So I know that the state, the state, ban on fireworks doesn't apply to us because it's fireworks, but if the state, if the governor cox issued, you know, the stage two restriction for, for fire, maybe, maybe this is a poly question.

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Does that not apply to our municipality because we're part of the state because we're different jurisdiction. What does it apply to state lands only?

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Yeah. Right. Okay. And what my understanding is is that, and I don't want to get too technical for the like for the fireworks fan, just as an example. Yeah.

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I do, but then it gave the ability of municipalities could kind of opt out and find a spot to allow for fireworks. Let's see whatever. Okay, which some cities have done.

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What some cities have but it doesn't apply us like I was even looking over do we need to register tell them we're not allowing fireworks

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And we don't because we're not allowing anyone to fireworks with an interesting. Okay. Okay. All right

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Um, and of course you can please please so we had a lot of Salt Lake City Corporation land in this town

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So I know Salt Lake City's about to stage two

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So just to be technical here. They want to stage two

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So I'm assuming that meant the land they had,

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even though it's not within their municipalities,

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within ours.

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I think our, because their land is,

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I mean, whether or not they would give some information

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or require anyone who's on their land and follow them.

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So it would be us.

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It would be us.

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I mean, as property owners, just like you could be a drop

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of the owner and say, I never want to allow.

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And I don't care who gets on my property, you know, the fires at all.

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Okay.

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Greenland housing handling.

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Oh, yeah.

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Thanks.

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Good.

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Good.

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Yes.

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I always get calls every year when we go into stage two.

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People are saying, and I'm bringing this up because I think we need to put some language in there.

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They say, what about their smokers?

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You know, how they, they build their fire and close the lid.

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They're, they're, they're hoping that that would be exempt just like a, but it's still a flame.

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And it's still is going to produce emperors, so I'm just wondering should we put that in because we've actually listed

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You know gas shield of gas liquid. I think that maybe we should include the language in there whether we know when they're allowed when they're not allowed

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I mean, that's an interesting one too because pellet smokers do use gas, right?

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They're also burning pellets. Yeah, so

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What do you recommend chief?

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You know if we're gonna do this I

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Think that the circumstances dictate that we're gonna we're gonna burn up on board burning of wouldn't things like that and

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Except for gas was was

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That if we start making exceptions and then then where is it in order to make more of you?

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It's so slippery, okay

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Thank you Carolyn good point. Yeah, that sounds good

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Interesting. So I'm just reading the stage two requirements. So how devices using pellets,

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pressurized liquid or gas that include shut off valves are allowed. Okay. And this one here says

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prohibiting charcoal pellet. Ash pretty cool on the chart.

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That's on the right one.

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That's in the that row of open signs and campfires, but in the work of all stoves and grills, it's different.

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That's a lot.

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Yeah.

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Okay, wait, because it shouldn't say pellet grills because down in the low it's just pellet grills.

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I do know that I'm just looking at sorry, my chart maybe that's confusing.

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It makes all of us feel better that this is confusing for everyone.

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I think those are prohibited, and then it gives the exception of liquid fuels,

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portable camp stoves with shut-off bells.

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So the exception does not allow for pellets.

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Wait, now we're going to put everything on the pit system?

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No, we're looking at this one.

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Yeah, I'm going to look at that so the ordinance I drafted, I took exactly from the stage two.

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Yeah, that's what we're going to adopt to stage two, right? So this includes

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says there's no

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prohibited to have any fire

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This includes charcoal grills, barbecues, coal, and wood burning stoves, intense stoves,

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and includes use of homes and then developed campgrounds and picnic grounds

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And then it explicitly exempts devices using helmets,

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pressurized liquid or gas, stoves, rows, or land turns that include shut-off valves

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when used in an area, at least three feet or more from flammable materials,

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such as grasses at the time you know.

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So I would ensure we're about to say that it's small for us at a flop.

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Yeah, so I apologize that that chart was not.

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That's okay, that's okay.

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It's good again for people to know that their pellets, I mean promise you who said that they weren't allowed, we were gonna call some, but some smokers people actually started with triple.

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Well, here's what I know, I know I'm probably jumping ahead in this, but we're having a special meeting because the circumstances are pretty extraordinary.

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again, maybe not in our locality immediately today, but if you look at the forecast over

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the next week and the temperatures keep going up and it's dry and it's historic drought

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and we've got one of the worst and 0% contains fires in Utah history happening currently

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in central Utah in a very similar geographic area to ours. I think that we want to just

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impress upon everyone to to choose point use common sense and do the right thing here and and just

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if you are in doubt about the restriction you don't have to get a law degree and go read the

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state restriction just don't do it right I think that's kind of what the message I'd like to send

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to our town and again the Forest Service is going to make their decision based on their best information

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And it's not necessarily going to be the same as ours.

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So we can't dictate what happens in red men or spruces

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or the campgrounds at the mouth,

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but it sounds like they're having a meeting soon as well.

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So that might change.

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So instead of from a technicality perspective,

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again, I think really it's like,

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let's just everybody try it.

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Just do the right thing here.

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All right.

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It's kind of my thought.

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Thank you. I agree 100% I totally agree. So so so given that I think we can probably just go ahead and I'll be looking for a motion to adopt this ordinance which would adopt fire restrictions and I'll let somebody finish that for me.

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This is at least I move we adopt stage two fire restriction ordinances for

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town of Brighton and all the the all the flaming things that encompasses.

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Oh, 2026-0-6-1-, okay, or 2026-0-6-1, stage two fire restrictions.

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This is Jeff, I'll second that.

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All right, motion in a second.

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Any further discussion?

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Okay, and for an ordinance, I believe we need a roll call.

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Please bring that.

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Jeff Foster.

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Yes.

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Got a John.

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Hi.

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He's Justin.

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Hi.

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Carolyn, take me.

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Yes.

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Okay.

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The ordinance has been adopted.

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We have now adopted the stage two fire restrictions within our town.

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And again, that's just what's in our jurisdiction.

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more to come, we will try to communicate this out as best we can.

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I'm going to talk to Xenia to see if we can get signage at Willow Heights because there are lots of fire pits.

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That's a good one. And then I'll follow up with with Adam on this, see where they're where their head is. And we also talk a little, do I try to decide? Yeah, because to your point, we do have, we have signage there is saying, you know, something, I can't recall exactly what it said.

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I think that the fireworks went out.

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It didn't fully working.

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It's just having problems so the panels were out,

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so it was throwing it down even no matter what you did.

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I think the hand is working on it.

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It's getting discovered.

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It has a rescheduled on September.

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I did want to know because we were having this discussion

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that I wanted to pursue to purchase an additional side.

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One, the next level upside that is fully programmed bulls.

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so you can get basically four lines on it.

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The logo has fine, if you only have like,

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you know, Satan's rewards, you know,

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but yes, the Satan's see what the,

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I'll say contracts that are on that

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because I know the other skewers or except,

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they have big versions of it.

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You can see they're in four lines,

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Yeah, and you can adjust the text is necessary.

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So yeah, we'll pursue the state contract and see what's available for us.

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I think that's a great idea and the pain on the costs that we can just chat more about

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that, whether or not we need to take it to a meeting to get that.

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But there have been questions from people in the community about signage at the mouth.

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We can talk probably offline about how to figure out how to get dedicated space for our

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town at the mouth because, again, it's a little bit of a, I mean, I know they both

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the skieries have their signs.

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Yeah, they've all turned their side voice because they're not really saying anything.

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Well, it might make sense.

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I can follow up and ask if maybe they can communicate this for us in the meantime.

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I don't know, it's something, a couple of things for me to do.

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Any other, I think we did a pretty good job

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in regard to discussion here.

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Anybody else have any other thoughts, questions?

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Just boy, we're discussing about permanent fire picks.

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maybe we, as far as definitions, what does that mean?

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Is it, is it, is it the affarming?

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Is it an actual concrete structure?

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Does it have a cover?

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So like, a spark arrestor.

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So that, which is,

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It's in the ordinance, but we haven't defined what that is, and sometimes we have to put it in the definitions of what that means.

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So give him back the clarification.

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Yeah, that's fair.

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Okay, good point.

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Can we ask you what's helping us on that?

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I'll do it I can, but I got to tell you the definition part of this.

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That's what James will want to say.

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I think I'm confused with some of those definitions as anybody.

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Well, yeah, I believe, yeah.

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I'll follow the law.

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When we can talk, they're going to figure out something.

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Yeah.

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Good.

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I think your expertise on just what you think is kind of...

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We do want to strike a balance here in normal circumstances.

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answers on people recreating and enjoying their space and not being too draconian, but also

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making sure we're safe as we need to be, especially times like now.

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So that's the key.

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I'm okay to move slowly on something like that to try and get it right, but what I very

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desire to symbolize, because I'm from student.

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Yeah.

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That's really the key here for our citizenry, right, is, and for our visitors, it's just

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And the last thing I'll say you guys, most of you, maybe all of you know, on the list

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being regularly and then be list being for the next four months of about the big

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teeth. Then I finally, a real hockey player.

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Yeah, look at that.

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They're from that.

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But it's driving me nuts.

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Anyway, I can tell, but you can't.

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That's great.

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No, I can't do it this way.

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I went to him and said, yes, something to you.

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I'm like, that's just empty space, actually.

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Anyway, yeah, more to come on the news letter about that.

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Okay, I think we're good.

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Yeah, I just would.

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When we do our social media outreach and all that,

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I really liked what the chief said about the word Embers

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because I think that might slip for people to see why there's a difference between a fuel and

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a wood, a piece of wood, or a charcoal. Because you can't turn that off. Whereas, you know,

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you can't turn off the embers and you can't turn off a charcoal brick at this hot and or a

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log that's hot. But you can definitely turn off a flame in the stove. But I love that word

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Amber so thank you. Yeah, that was good for me. Good call out Carolyn. All right. Well, um, I moved. We had heard great. So moved. Okay, motion a second on the favor. Any post. All right. We're adjourned. Thanks. Thanks all.

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If you get the cab said to come in here to Newscom, I'm seeing a date of the fire

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Other figures were certain other room's travels and miles.