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The city council's congressional meeting of November 9th, 2026, calling the meeting to order at 5.41 pm, we'll do join me in the pledge of allegiance, please.

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To the flag,

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to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, and we're God, individual with liberty and justice for

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all.

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We have no council members attending remotely, so city clerk could we have a roll call, please.

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Council member Davis, council member Kern, council member council member Lent, council member O'Connell, here and Mayor Mackin

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Thank you. City Attorney, could we have a report out of close session, please?

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Good evening. Close session was head on the item on the agenda and there is no reportable action.

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Thank you. The adoption of the agenda, can I get a first and second to adopt the agenda as it stands, please?

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I make a motion. Second, second. All in favor? Aye.

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Anywhere to post? No.

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This is a continued public hearing.

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And we welcome the public to comment or ask questions during tonight's hearing.

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Please, please fill out a form to speak and hand to our city clerk.

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There's lots of forms around the room.

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You can also obtain another one from our city clerk.

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There will be a timer on the screen that you can use for reference for the four minutes.

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It's extremely important for speakers to stay on topic.

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If you don't stay on topic, I will have to stop you.

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If a speaker continues to ignore the rules, you'll be warned and may be precluded from speaking on other items tonight.

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At the last council meeting 11, 5, 26 council had a short discussion about the meeting schedule.

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I believe we have that schedule. Can we put it on the screen please?

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Is there any way to make that? There you go. A little bit larger.

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Can you see it out there? There you go. Much better. Thank you.

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All right, do we have any Council discussion?

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Let me just read off the dates to November 19,

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2026, Baylands Hearing at 530 p.m.

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A special meeting for mayoral rotation will also be scheduled at 5 p.m.

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November 23rd will be a Baylands tentative meeting at 530 p.m.

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December 3rd, 2026 tentative meeting at 530 p.m.

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also bailance, December 7th, bailance tentative meeting at 530 p.m. December 10th, 2026,

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special meeting for reorganization, December 17th, 2026 proposed cancellation that would be

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the normal city council regular meeting. Any discussion from council? Council member Kern?

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No discussion.

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Mayor Pro Tem Davis.

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I just was aware that our city attorney is not available on December 7th, so we

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would need to have that hearing with a probably replacement from the firm.

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All right.

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Is that a problem?

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We can certainly, I can certainly have another attorney here.

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Whether that attorney will be familiar with the project.

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I think is questionable, but I can certainly work with the Council to work for the Council.

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Okay.

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Councilmember Lens.

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Yeah, thank you, Madam Mayor.

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At our last regular council meeting on Thursday, I had proposed for the November 23rd meeting,

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since it's a tentative meeting to schedule public safety and alternatives.

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And so, yeah, the city attorney mentioned that we should, or that I should bring that up this evening and it would be more appropriate to do so.

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So I'm just looking for another council member to partner with me to put that on the November 23rd agenda.

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I would endorse that idea.

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Okay, thank you.

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And then I also have a request and I had spoken with Council Member Kern about forming

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an ad hoc committee in regards to addressing transportation issues with the bail-ans.

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So, how do we approach that to the attorney in regards to creating that ad hoc committee?

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You could just create it on the Dias and just say who's going to be on the committee and

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you do it by motion.

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All right.

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You still good with that, Frank.

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Still on board.

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Can you provide a little bit more background on what the committee is working on?

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Well, I guess we will find out once we form that, you know,

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and how committee. But to address the Geneva Avenue extension, mainly, there's going to be

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other issues in regards to connecting with the 101, partnering with other jurisdictions,

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transit agencies, understanding how we might be able to receive transportation funding through

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So this is all transportation.

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All transportation.

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Okay.

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Councilmember O'Connell, any comments?

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No.

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Okay.

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So would you like to make a motion?

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I would like to make a motion to form the

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Transportation Adhawk Committee for the Bayolans

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Compromise with Councilmember Kern and Lines.

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Yes.

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All right.

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Anyone opposed?

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No.

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Motion carries.

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Did you have anything else?

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Councilmember?

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Let's?

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No, that was.

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Okay, Madam Mayor.

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Councilmember O'Connell?

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I'm a casual no.

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No.

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So at this time, as we've done at these hearings in the past, if there are any general topics

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before we get into the continuation of the public hearing, this is a time for the council

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to bring those topics up.

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Can we start with Mayor Pro Tem Davis?

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I don't I don't I don't have anything to add at the moment. Okay. Then Council Member O'Connell.

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I would like to give direction to staff on the items that are of my top concern at the moment.

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And sort of get the staff working on some of the things that I feel are going to be really

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important to get an agreement on this specific plan.

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And that way we're not waiting clear till the end of the discussions to be giving direction

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to staff on what may need to be added or subtracted from the specific plan.

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I don't expect to have a back and forth discussion about my big picture items, but I think

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that it's important to give that direction to staff now and that we can do it where the

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public knows what is important in our minds or my mind to become compliant and get the specific

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plan off the ground and moving toward.

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For its completion. So, if I may, I'd like to just give a couple things that I would like addressed, you know, by staff and they can come back at a later meeting, they can look at the feasibility of some of the suggestions and go from there and it's not that these are things that I expect to be agreed to by the council.

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But I think that there may be some overlap on perception of what might want to be into that plan.

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So if I may have just a moment to go through my little short list,

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I would like to see what it would take for staff to put in the 1800 units as the baseline within the specific plan.

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instead of the 2,200 baseline units in the specific plan.

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I'd like to staff to look at the possibility that remediation be done by district

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and its entirety before moving on to building of that district.

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I'd like to look at the feasibility of not accepting streets, utility corridors, parks, open space

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until either the east or the west side is completed and that way we'll know if those

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connect if they're working correctly and if there's any issues with the construction of them.

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I'd like to remove language from the specific plan that implies public financing.

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There's probably going to be public financing but I think that belongs into a development agreement

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not in our specific plan, and then I'd like to have to find a way to be a little more

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specific on phasing language, benchmarking, to run ahead of the actual need of the proposed

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amenity or infrastructure so that we're never running behind the line of what infrastructure

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we need before the need is there. So those are my five things that I think are really important to this project.

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And thank you very much for your consideration.

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Okay. Councilmember Kern?

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Thank you. I think I'll pile on with a couple of notes that I've got here too. If you don't mind Kevin, are you the one taking this down?

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Okay, I appreciate it.

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To what Councilmember O'Connell said,

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I did, I was not at the last hearing, but I did watch it.

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I was under the impression that we would be doing full west side remediation prior to any infrastructure or housing,

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and I understand after that meeting we are not,

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so I have the minimum viable product requirement as well,

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that I would like to understand the feasibility of doing it by district.

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Number two,

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And this isn't well thought through Kevin, so good luck with the notes, but I'd like to see some sort of performance standard around the Geneva Avenue extension, especially the bridge.

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An example that I would give today would be something like the bridge needs to be 50% completed in terms of construction before we begin construction on housing something like that. I don't I don't know exactly what it looks like, but a performance standard around the bridge.

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I would like to see a performance standing in there that says something around the fact that the

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developer were only infrastructure on the east side until it is fully built and delivered before

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the city takes it over.

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Another potential thing that I have here is we will not contribute for any capital financing

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out of municipal funds, whether general fund or enterprise fund, any money that we have right now would not be used for any sort of financing.

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We would have to come up with other options on that front.

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And then I'm also going to pile on to Council Member O'Connell's requirement about the open space items as well.

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Thank you.

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Okay, Council Member Lens?

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Yeah.

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I mean, I have more than five.

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I was trying to prepare for the two items that were on the agenda.

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So that limited the amount of time that I had to compile.

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So I can list some things.

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I would prefer to send an email to staff with the rest of the list.

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Some of the things that that we're said tonight I backed everything that both of you said I'm in agreement with so I won't repeat those things in

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regards to safety, you know, I would like to have some kind of some kind of guarantee that we're using skilled workers, you know in the specific plan.

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And so some kind of language that can be applied in the plan would be something that I would like to see.

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We're going to be dressing water tonight.

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I have a whole list of things in regards to water.

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And so I will save that from applying to my list though during this hearing.

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I'm hoping that staff will record those requirements that I'm looking for and include it into my list.

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Let's see, you know, having daycare facilities, the language that came from buildup.

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I would like to see that in this specific plan.

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areas around strengthening the objective design standards.

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I don't think that the standards that are applied in the specific plan go far enough.

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I'd like to see something that is more design-oriented rather than just checking a box.

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Thank you for mentioning the Geneva Avenue Extension Frank.

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But also

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Would like us to incorporate the by-county study into the specific plan in a more robust way.

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We had quite a bit of a discussion on energy neutrality.

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And so we are doing the study, but I hope that study shines some light on how we could incorporate greater energy self-sufficiency.

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And then the 53% that is being proposed,

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I would also like to see us apply a site specific

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greenhouse gas evaluation as opposed to a regional one, and then incorporate a lot of

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the recommendations from the draft, EIR, in regards to that area.

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We'd like to see some language that provides an investment from the developer towards commute.org to mitigate the increase use of the shuttles that the development will impose.

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know, I know that we're going to be having a fiscal analysis hearing.

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I hope that the language that comes from that fiscal analysis just doesn't address the

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city being energy, I mean, physically revenue-positive, but addresses how all the infrastructure

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or the remediation in such is is funded in a huge required to pay for it.

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That's it for now.

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Okay. Thank you to all my colleagues for your very well-thought suggestions. I'm going to

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refrain from submitting a list. I would rather have the public see my list. I think it's hard to

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digest some of this from the Dias. And I'd like that to be in a future agenda where everyone can see

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a accumulation of what's been proposed.

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I would like as a topic before we get into tonight's to talk about finances.

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And I am still a bit upset appalled that we have a property owner that owes us equivalent to about 25% of our annual budget for this city of Brisbane.

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that's an enormous amount of money to us.

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And considering the size of the project and the scope of the work,

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the amount I believe now is 6.6 million.

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If you were to construct a tall office building,

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which is site is proposed to have many neighborhoods,

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many commercial buildings, some very tall buildings, a hotel.

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One might conjecture looking at the costs

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in the peninsula, a building could easily cost 16, 20, 30 million dollars. The property owner

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owes a 6.6 million dollars. I think it would be a good show of faith to show the financial

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liability if they brought the balance on the account current. I think it jeopardizes the

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public's confidence in the developer to follow through when this balance is allowed to keep

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lumping along month by month. We get promises. We get requests for copies of documents over

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and over. I know at least twice documents have been provided and I'm not sure what's going on.

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I believe Mr. Raymond Fong is a controller. I'd like to invite Mr. Fong if you would

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Stephanie to come to a public hearing and talk to us about the finances that will be one of the

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topics on a future public hearing because I don't think this is going away.

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I would also like to know

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this is from past hearing, but we've asked about it before whether you all have contacted Union

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Pacific Railroad as Council Member O'Connell wisely suggested about using the railroad tracks in the evening

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to transport, dirt, instead of a surface streets hall route, could you respond to that please?

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Good evening, Mayor Mackin, council members.

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We have not had yet the direct conversation with Union Pacific on this question.

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They do have a contract with Caltering.

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So I believe Caltering is in the engineer seat on that question,

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But I know that when we get to that question about being able to move soil across the track of that,

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the Union Pacific will definitely be at the table.

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But yeah, the short answer is no, I've not direct.

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We have not since the question was raised how to direct the conversation with them.

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Yeah, okay.

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But it's coming.

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Well, we'll be following up every meeting.

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Madam Mayor, if I could, I wanted to share that earlier today, I had a conversation

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with leadership at Caltrain regarding this issue and they've agreed to work with the city to

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try to find other alternatives than using our streets for the dirt moving. So I was cautiously

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optimistic that will be a fruitful conversation moving forward. Thank you very much for that update.

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All right, any other council members? I didn't get to. Oh, I didn't care anything. Okay, go.

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So I'll just kind of share some of my high-level goals and I have more to this that we can talk about offline about how maybe we accomplish some of these things, but so much of it actually is shared by my colleagues.

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So, I'll be quick.

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One of my big things is really protecting the city and the community if the development is delayed, suspended, abandoned, or interrupted by developer and solvency, bankruptcy or change in ownership.

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So, I think that every phase of the development must be capable of being safely maintained and stabilized independently of subsequent development.

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So all remediation necessary to make the residential areas safe for their intended use.

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To me must be completed and approved before the first residential unit is occupied.

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Police have said, by district, for me, I'd like to see all residential done before anyone moves in.

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And I want to make sure that the city is not less responsible for unfinished infrastructure, deteriorating property, environmental obligations with a cost of making the safe.

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The site's safe simply because the developers unable are unwilling to complete the project.

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Next would be financial accountability and I know we haven't gotten there quite yet,

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but the revenue positive requirement must be demonstrated through transparent ongoing financial framework, not projections.

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So, consistent and clearly define methodology for calculating project-generated city revenues and expenses and so on.

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The next would be to secure permanent public access throughout the balance without transferring ownership or environmental liability to the city.

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So, I stay at this in prior hearings, but I really am concerned about the city owning much of anything out there,

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because I do feel that if there's a cap failure right and we own the road, then that would be our responsibility to impart address.

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And I want to make sure that we're protecting ourselves financially as much as we possibly can.

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And then I'd like to see a city council approved truck haul route contained entirely within the Baylands, including both outbound and return travel before any soil relocation begins.

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And I know it's likely we won't have this before adopting the specific plan but the language being in there.

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And there's been several suggestions that the public has made

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that I thought were great.

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Of course, they're not studied in the EIR.

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So those, we would need to just have the language there

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saying that there's something a whole route

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that the council approves that stays entirely

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within the balance.

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And then in the future, we can work out what that looks

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like specifically.

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As far as housing, I agree with Councilmember O'Connor,

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I would say we would start at the 1800 as the baseline planning assumption because it preserves

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room for negotiation in the development agreement.

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So I imagine that developers going to want certain things, they're going to want that

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2,200 max and so there needs to be room for the city to have something to negotiate with

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among other things.

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And I think that affordable housing should be integrated throughout the surveillance.

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I think concentrating in a small number of large buildings or in isolated areas is not right

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and I don't think it's equitable, and so I think that thriving neighborhoods or neighborhoods

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in which people of all economic backgrounds are living together so that's what I would like

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to see.

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And then lastly,

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I'd like to establish a strong cohesive design identity and meaningful city oversight

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to ensure that the balance is thoughtfully designed and constructed to consistently high-standard

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over the life of the project. And the goal is to avoid a development that feels like a collection

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of unrelated projects designed and constructed over many years and instead create a cohesive,

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attractive neighborhood with a consistent standard of quality. So of course, you know, there's

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so many things in our specific plan that get to that already, but I think there's some tightening

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up that we can do. So with all of these, I have suggestions for staff that I'm happy to

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pass along via email, but those are kind of the high-level goals for me at this time.

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Thank you very much. And if I could suggest if everyone who's mentioned things could email

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staff would that be helpful, because that's a lot to absorb. I did want to say that I really did

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appreciate staff sending the list of all the questions we've asked as a council and that

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when you read through them and there was a lot of questions asked and a lot of them had responses

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by staff and I think that's really good because it shows how diverse our thinking is and what

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each of us and what the public is inputting to this process that is going to give the staff a

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body of work to co-alight and put together and and bring us all together on. So I just wanted to say thank you.

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Yes, indeed, it's a very large effort to try to keep track of everything.

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All right, any other council comments? I would Madam Mayor, you had addressed the issue in regards to

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being paid. Yes, and I just wanted to second that.

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Stephanie, would you mind coming to the podium, please?

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So a couple of hearings go ask you about the payment and you said that that wasn't your

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specialty that it was your finance person that you would look into it and then you came back

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again and that you were working on something and here we are at the third hearing, but we're

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owed a significant amount of money,

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fairly close to the amount that we started with when

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I asked you a couple of hearings ago, and so it is difficult for me to continue having

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these hearings and rocking up debt for the city.

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As the mayor had said, we're looking at close to 25% of our budget.

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That's a significant amount for a developer who is proposing a multi-hundred, hundreds

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of millions of dollars, development, a seven million dollar payment that is part of a contract

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that you're a company in the city had agreed to abide by, that puts in question like,

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okay, well, how serious, right? Are you? And then should we as a council continue to have

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these hearings if you're unable to pay the bills? And so it makes me feel like, well, should we

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do we postpone theirings until you're able to reimburse the city for the costs that have gone

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into these documents that will eventually provide entitlements, which you have said that you wanted.

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So yeah, I'm just putting that out there to you. I want you to work with your team and pay the

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the money so that that is an issue and we can get back to collaborating and working together

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to eventually approve this plan.

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Understood.

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Just to be clear, we did submit a payment plan to this.

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And we also made a million dollar payment to that to the city today, as we discussed at the last hearing.

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So we have advanced significantly. It comes from a balance on the issue. And I think we will.

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We're all working in good faith with the city staff and with our team to make everybody hold on this question.

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Yeah, you know, these these bills are years old and paying a million dollars yeah is is

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peanuts right that's that's not in good faith in my opinion granted that's I'm I'm one

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council member right if we were going to be whole paying the amount that we for the bills that we've

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submitted makes sense and then we can collaborate in good faith and you're talking about good faith

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Let's get paid and then we can move forward.

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Yes, and again, our attorney did send your attorney a proposal for a payment plan and we submitted a payment today, a significant payment today.

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So we are on track to hopefully resolve the issue.

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And I understand everybody's frustration, but I just want to share that the council,

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them, you know, we are acting in good faith and we are on a plan.

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Councilmember Lens, can I join in on that?

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Absolutely.

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Okay, you know, when I hear payment plan, it doesn't work for me anymore.

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The payment plan was all of 2025,

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2024, the invoices go way back.

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That's been the payment plan, and to ask now for a payment plan to me is a little bit insulting.

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in that we received a payment in July and then we received nothing. So you can offer a payment plan

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and how do we know you're going to follow through because since July we had nothing. We got a payment today.

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And when I look at the age of the invoice, it's not adding up that you're serious about this.

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I understand your frustration and I do think we have been acting in good faith and we will finish our review of all of the invoices and all the documents and I think that we will find resolution.

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Well, in the copies of invoices were sent to you months ago.

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How many months does it take?

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And they were sent to you twice.

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So if we go back, it's been a long time.

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And maybe you need some more help.

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But these are due.

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I'm sure there's bills you paid that you have to pay.

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This is a bill you need to pay.

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And I don't think the public here is going to tolerate this.

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We want you to come back to the next hearing and have paid the balance.

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Madam Mayor, we'll take that under consideration.

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I do want to reiterate again that we our lawyers have submitted a payment plan to your lawyers.

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And we are working through the issue.

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And please invite your finance director to come talk to us in a public meeting.

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Oh, make that a suggestion.

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I do also want to note for the record that we have a to lay agreement that expires January 31,

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2027, and based on your proposed payment plan, we would not be paid in full by that expiration.

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So I would say at bare minimum, I would expect that BDI would pay us in full by the expiration of the tolling agreement.

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I mean, obviously we want to be paid yesterday, but even with the parameters that are in place

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with the tolling agreement, if it's not paid in full at that point, you know, well there's

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several there's several steps we could take, but that particular one would be litigation.

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So there already is a firm deadline. There's been firm deadlines, but that's coming up quick.

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So, I would bring that tooling agreement up to your team and bring their attention to the fact that your proposal still does not catch us up by that date.

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I understand. But the tooling agreement was a period of time for us to negotiate the, you know, the outstanding issues with the city.

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So, but I understand, and I appreciate your perspective,

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Councilwoman Davis.

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Just one thing to add.

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Stephanie, I have not seen the letter.

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Sorry, I've been in meetings the entire day.

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So if that came in today, I have not seen it.

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Does it include interest on money owed?

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It's my understanding.

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And again, I've only been on council for two years.

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But we've got invoices that are going back prior to me even being on council.

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And so I'm just curious.

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Is there interest built in there for?

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Is part of this payment plan?

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No, our pay processing agreement does not include late fees or interest fees.

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Thank you.

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Well, and I would add that you've had the benefit of earning interest while we haven't.

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We've output that and probably had tomorrow money to cover your invoices.

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Some of this was the COVID years when we were using reserves.

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So that does not sit well.

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I understand your frustration, Mayor, but again, I just reiterate our pay processing agreement does not include late fees or interest.

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Okay, well, we'd like to see some very firm good faith efforts because this is a long commitment you're asking for.

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I understand.

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And it shouldn't be hitting bumps in the road on the front end.

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we understand and I will make sure. If I may, it was my understanding that the agreement that's

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been signed and updated does have a interest clause in it isn't that true.

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I don't know I will

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check. Thank you.

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Okay. This is a continuation of our public hearings. This is consideration

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of proposed Bayland-specific plan and related actions, including amendments to the Brisbane General Plan,

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Land Use and Circulation Elements, amendments to Title Section 17 of the Brisbane Municipal Code

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to establish zoning regulations, adoption of the Bayshore Mobility Plan and certification of

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the final environmental impact report FBI R. Prepared for this project in accordance with the

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California in very, very mental quality act,

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sequo.

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Some of you know those acronyms very well.

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So we'll start with questions to close out those topics.

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These are from the last public hearing, which was remediation

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and phasing.

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First item was number seven, long-term remediation stewardship

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and monitoring.

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I will call on each council member and ask you to limit it to one

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question after each of you's had a turn.

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I'll go back through the order for another round of questions. Again, please limit it to one question.

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So let's start with Council Member O'Connell.

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I don't have any questions at the moment, I'd rather hear staff report if we're having one.

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Do we have a staff report prepared?

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Not on this particular item, this is a continuation, as you mentioned.

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I do have a staff report for when we get to water.

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Okay. Councilmember Lens?

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Yeah, you know, I don't have any questions on that particular item, but I do have a question for staff in regards to one of the items from the list of this section.

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And so Kevin in regards to phasing, you know, it seemed like when we talked about phasing in this section, it was related mostly to remediation,

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But there's so many other phasing that would occur.

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I kind of listed in my list of things.

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Would it be appropriate for tonight to identify some phasing

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or have that be a part of the final,

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kind of understanding of how things all come together because you know we've been doing

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these these hearings and and we touch upon all these different items but sometimes

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it's very difficult to really understand how they all fit together this happens here

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and then that triggers this and so and then having some kind of visual of that kind of

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Yes, you're correct. There's really two aspects to phasing. On the one hand, there's a phasing

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associated with the remediation and that's kind of the the core topic of this evening, but then

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there's also the phasing of the build out. We got into a little bit of that in the last meeting in terms

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of particularly when do things like parks and open spaces and streets and overpasses and things

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like that, when do they appear in relation to the development?

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So they're related.

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You can't do any building until you've

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got the remediation of the building site completed.

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But then there are also the different benchmarks.

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There was some comments earlier in this meeting

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about how you would structure those benchmarks.

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What the plan shows are based on blocks

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and then the relationship of amenities to those blocks but then there was also some discussion

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and interest in maybe it's based on benchmarks such as numbers of units or even the first

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unit was suggested so these are things it's the plan address of some of it the DA can get into

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more details but if council members have direction that can certainly be helpful to staff as

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you know if you're thinking of things you would like to see similar to what we had in the previous

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conversation regarding phasing that could be helpful to articulate. Sure. Sure. All right. Yeah,

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you know because I did send you the email and essentially that document. I don't think it's appropriate

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for tonight because it would take a long time.

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I would like to work with you offline and come up with

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strategy and then present that to the full council and into the public for how we address those

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issues and how everything comes together. I think that would be very helpful. Okay, thank you.

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Okay,

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council member Kern.

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I have comments, but no questions. Thank you. All right. Mayor Pro Tem Davis.

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Just confirm from where we left off and where we're starting here.

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are we still on phasing or we've moved on a long-term remediation search?

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We're a chip and more on phasing and remediation.

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Okay.

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Number seven.

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I don't have anything.

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I only have long-term remediation to our chip and monitoring.

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So I have a very well written email from a member of the public who's here tonight about a

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vapor intrusion incident in a Google building and it really concerned me because it talked

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about this was on a middle field

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Ellis Weisman super fun site and interior building

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modifications and renovations inadvertently punctured

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and altered structural barriers creating an open path

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way through the floor of vapors which were tricolor

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ethylene and I believe we have tricolor ethylene

441
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on the site. And I wanted to bring this up because I don't know whether this is an anomaly,

442
00:57:43,100 --> 00:57:48,600
or whether this happens all the time. I don't know if there's an answer. Is there a way to prevent this,

443
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:56,140
so that if in the future a contractor's brought into the building and maybe they don't know

444
00:57:56,140 --> 00:58:07,000
that there are dangers, vapors, and that certain types of alterations could cause some catastrophic consequences.

445
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:13,240
Is there some way that we could put something in the plan to prevent this?

446
00:58:13,580 --> 00:58:16,140
Or, and again, a comment, is this really an anomaly?

447
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:19,080
Or is this something that we should anticipate in the future?

448
00:58:21,540 --> 00:58:24,920
I'm going to ask Michelle King from EKI.

449
00:58:25,500 --> 00:58:30,680
This would come up in a prior hearing, so we did receive some information and happy that

450
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:34,440
Michelle is here to be able to reiterate what was discussed previously.

451
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:42,560
Yeah, I can speak to the details of what happened at the Google building, but I think it's

452
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:46,300
more in general what happens at these sites.

453
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:53,260
First and foremost, the concentrations of TCE and groundwater at the MEW site and in particular

454
00:58:53,260 --> 00:58:58,180
at the buildings that have an issue are orders of magnitude higher than the concentrations

455
00:58:58,670 --> 00:59:05,480
that are present in the northern part of OUSM where impacts are coming from slage or from

456
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:07,020
the one VOC area.

457
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:09,440
So just to give a little bit of context.

458
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:25,800
But typically, what happens is at the state level, the DTSC or the water board, when a building is developed and there's a vapor mitigation system, there's ongoing OEM&M requirements, there's ongoing

459
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:32,200
Notifications that are typically required if a building slab is going to be penetrated,

460
00:59:32,260 --> 00:59:39,340
post-construction, and often there's even a de-restriction that will require a notification

461
00:59:39,340 --> 00:59:41,620
upon building penetration.

462
00:59:42,620 --> 00:59:48,000
So what happened at the MEW site, there was awareness that EPA was very aware of the

463
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:53,680
penetrations that were happening, and there was no active mitigation system present at that

464
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:54,140
time.

465
00:59:54,140 --> 00:59:59,960
and air monitoring was performed after completion of instruction work that initially was

466
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:11,980
Fine, there was no problem with it. And then when the weather got cooler and they closed up the air intakes, because the cold air was coming in, that was when they found the problem.

467
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:18,260
So they discovered it actually pretty quickly after the problem was identified and then it got addressed.

468
01:00:18,260 --> 01:00:32,640
So there are measures that are in place, various levels of, let's say, control factors to assess and inspect and potentially test into our air if appropriate, upon penetration.

469
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:41,680
And so I would just follow up with that by saying if there are measures in place, the contractor may not be familiar.

470
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:51,300
And the state agencies are not always on site, as you said, they have routine inspections, but in between inspections, the contractor could be brought in.

471
01:00:51,500 --> 01:01:03,140
Are you saying the contractor is informed always knows that they need to, if I'm rating this right, contact the state agency and say we're going to be doing work there?

472
01:01:03,140 --> 01:01:09,820
Well, typically, let's say it's a, let's call it an HOA situation, if there's an HOA,

473
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:15,440
there's typically a CCNR that would say that, you know, either you can't penetrate the slab

474
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:22,460
or if you're going to penetrate it, then you have to notify. So there's, it's not like a

475
01:01:22,460 --> 01:01:28,380
contractor is typically at these sites with vapor mitigation systems just coming in and penetrating

476
01:01:28,380 --> 01:01:30,400
without there being some awareness.

477
01:01:32,340 --> 01:01:36,160
Okay, because we've had some CCRs with another development

478
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:37,560
and they're not always followed.

479
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:41,300
So, all right, I guess that's best we can do for now.

480
01:01:41,380 --> 01:01:43,480
If there's anything that staff can think of

481
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:47,280
to kind of reinforce this in a robust way

482
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:49,760
in a specific plan, just to make sure

483
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:51,980
because that follow through long-term,

484
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:53,800
out of sight, out of mind,

485
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:55,180
and that's people's health.

486
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:57,020
I'm very concerned about that.

487
01:01:57,020 --> 01:01:59,460
Council Member Lens, you have another question?

488
01:02:00,540 --> 01:02:03,180
Not at this time, and I have one more.

489
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:06,560
I think mine actually is applicable for this.

490
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:08,140
Oh, please go ahead and section.

491
01:02:09,220 --> 01:02:12,900
So if an HOA is responsible for long-term environmental maintenance,

492
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:16,560
and they become in solvent, dissolve, or fail to perform their duties,

493
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:19,060
who is legally required to take over?

494
01:02:24,770 --> 01:02:28,510
Well, I'll start and then Michelle might elaborate a little bit as well,

495
01:02:29,290 --> 01:02:31,970
but in general HOA is in other management agencies,

496
01:02:31,970 --> 01:02:40,330
are highly regulated by the state. So it's not so easy as I'm just disappearing or dissolving

497
01:02:40,330 --> 01:02:52,130
and not remaining a factor or a party. If they were in financial trouble, their remedy is

498
01:02:52,130 --> 01:03:00,270
to do a special assessment or increase HOA do so that they have adequate reserves. If there

499
01:03:00,270 --> 01:03:10,690
some sort of unanticipated event, then there's also environmental insurance, bonds, guarantees

500
01:03:10,690 --> 01:03:17,730
that are used in order to make sure that there's financial resources to address those.

501
01:03:18,210 --> 01:03:26,990
And ultimately, liability enforce through the regulatory agencies tracks to both current and

502
01:03:26,990 --> 01:03:34,530
previous owners of the site, as well as the producers of the hazardous materials that are

503
01:03:34,530 --> 01:03:35,370
being cleaned up.

504
01:03:35,510 --> 01:03:42,350
So there would be numerous potential pathways for regulatory agencies to seek and enforce

505
01:03:43,670 --> 01:03:53,650
from BDI or other previous owners or the people that entities that it contributed to the

506
01:03:53,650 --> 01:04:03,530
that was causing the issue to try and recover, but ultimately, and this, I think, is implied by some of the questions and comments that you've shared.

507
01:04:04,150 --> 01:04:21,490
Part of why you've suggested and we've discussed the city not taking ownership to portions of the public way of having public access, but not ownership is to keep the city out of the chain of liability.

508
01:04:21,490 --> 01:04:29,610
So, the city is not responsible for clean up remediation or addressing those over time.

509
01:04:30,530 --> 01:04:36,190
I don't know Michelle, if there's anything else to add to that or if that's good for now.

510
01:04:37,190 --> 01:04:44,270
Just to make it clear, like the financial assurance mechanisms that the regulatory agencies have put in place,

511
01:04:44,810 --> 01:04:48,970
they're there in the event of an insolvency.

512
01:04:48,970 --> 01:04:50,210
Thanks.

513
01:04:54,020 --> 01:05:10,320
Okay, I have a question. The EPA has dust mitigation standards and has anyone talked about whether the dust mitigation plan is proposed has been approved and meets those standards.

514
01:05:23,980 --> 01:05:30,400
If we haven't, that's okay. I'm just saying then I would I would I would like to see something in writing.

515
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:32,700
that I would comply with those standards.

516
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:35,420
I could speak to the, like the R-Dip,

517
01:05:35,540 --> 01:05:37,220
the remedial design implementation plan

518
01:05:37,220 --> 01:05:41,480
has a dust control plan that does key off

519
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:44,340
of things like ambient air quality standards

520
01:05:44,340 --> 01:05:49,440
for things like PM10, Respiral Dust, and so forth,

521
01:05:49,940 --> 01:05:53,480
and so that plan is consistent with EPA standards.

522
01:05:54,740 --> 01:05:59,120
And then the EIR discusses dust control measures

523
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:05,040
during construction to need air district standards because there are the regulatory

524
01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:12,660
agency with authority over the way it does to in particular matter are omitted locally

525
01:06:12,660 --> 01:06:20,760
here so that there is not in fact part of the mitigation plan is to ensure that all the

526
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:25,200
dust control measures are compliant with the air district standards and regulations.

527
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:33,400
Well, and I understand that, except that even construction workers and all those nice union members,

528
01:06:34,540 --> 01:06:41,520
they've got ocean standards in terms of exposure in their health, not just people who end up living their later on.

529
01:06:42,180 --> 01:06:44,340
So that's why I'm referencing this.

530
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:47,480
Council member Lens, do you have more questions in this?

531
01:06:51,410 --> 01:06:56,310
I do have one question, Madam Mayor, and that was, you know, in the last meeting we talked

532
01:06:57,990 --> 01:07:03,730
about receiving some cross-section visuals to help understand how water flows from land

533
01:07:03,730 --> 01:07:04,610
to sea.

534
01:07:04,790 --> 01:07:08,790
Is that something that you all had put together or staff?

535
01:07:09,030 --> 01:07:18,430
I'm just curious if you had updated, we had the one visual, but it was more of a cartoon rather

536
01:07:18,430 --> 01:07:26,510
then something that was beneficial to understand the entire site, do you have that?

537
01:07:30,530 --> 01:07:42,890
We do have a couple of informational, hopefully not too cartoonish, but on the cartoon is side that we will present in our order presentation. Hopefully later this evening.

538
01:07:43,670 --> 01:07:48,570
Okay, so I have another question.

539
01:07:52,630 --> 01:08:01,270
In the specific plan, it references and I believe Stephanie has alluded to using San Francisco water for mitigating dust on the entire site.

540
01:08:01,270 --> 01:08:28,270
And I wondered since we buy water from the SFPC through the agency Bosco, which is all the peninsula customers who are customers of the SFPC, and dust mitigation on that site seems like a lot of water, especially if it's dry and the wind that blows through there, with sometimes 40 mile an hour gusts.

541
01:08:28,270 --> 01:08:36,230
have you contacted the SFPUC about the amount of water allocation that you would be needed?

542
01:08:36,250 --> 01:08:43,650
Did you get them to issue you an approval? Did you provide them with estimates of the volume of water?

543
01:08:44,430 --> 01:08:54,050
And I don't know how you would plan to convey it from San Francisco in across county and city limits into Brisbane.

544
01:08:54,050 --> 01:09:01,510
that could be a legal issue. Have you talked to them about that? Because it sounds like you're using a San Francisco water account

545
01:09:01,510 --> 01:09:08,530
you have to bring water into Brisbane City limits for the entire duration of the project.

546
01:09:10,170 --> 01:09:11,890
Have you spoken to them?

547
01:09:16,690 --> 01:09:25,670
Madam, we do, we are going to discuss our existing and historic and legal water that we have from SFPUC in Brisbane.

548
01:09:25,670 --> 01:09:32,410
It came with the real yard site and with the landfill and it's 120-year-old water rights that we have.

549
01:09:33,690 --> 01:09:37,770
And so do you have any verification of that?

550
01:09:37,910 --> 01:09:39,870
Are you going to bring that up under water?

551
01:09:40,570 --> 01:09:50,910
I didn't bring my verification with me tonight, but we were prepared to talk about our existing SFPUC,

552
01:09:50,910 --> 01:09:56,650
what they call their, we are a retail customer of SFPUC. But it's a very old contractic. It went

553
01:09:56,650 --> 01:10:03,570
back to the beginning of the railroad track and the beginning of the rail yard in 1890s. And we have

554
01:10:03,570 --> 01:10:13,990
water. We have SFPUC water in Brisbane. Yeah. Okay. Could you tell me where? Where the faucets are?

555
01:10:14,350 --> 01:10:18,510
Well, I'm true. Yeah. I mean, they're all over the rail yard site. You know, the old

556
01:10:18,510 --> 01:10:22,230
Missouri building, the old, all the old,

557
01:10:22,230 --> 01:10:23,550
we're all the old rail yard is.

558
01:10:23,670 --> 01:10:27,030
There are connections, some of them we still use today.

559
01:10:27,790 --> 01:10:29,230
And same on the length of the site.

560
01:10:29,530 --> 01:10:33,510
And by the way, Golden State Lumber and part of our ecology

561
01:10:33,510 --> 01:10:40,050
also have SFPUC retail historic water, not Brisbane water.

562
01:10:40,330 --> 01:10:43,130
Those are not Brisbane water accounts, them.

563
01:10:44,270 --> 01:10:47,910
Well, they're in the city limits, OK?

564
01:10:47,910 --> 01:10:55,210
Yeah, but they, but they pre-see the city of Brisbane. Okay, they're that old. Okay, I just I think that

565
01:10:56,010 --> 01:11:01,470
To keep everything on the up and up, San Francisco needs to be involved to say whether that's

566
01:11:02,150 --> 01:11:08,150
Uncurrent standards legal since we're in an entirely different county and we're governed by Bosca

567
01:11:09,610 --> 01:11:16,030
Understood, yes, yeah, okay, but so we're going to be seeing something then from you

568
01:11:17,750 --> 01:11:22,090
We're prepared to talk about our existing retail water.

569
01:11:22,790 --> 01:11:22,990
Yeah.

570
01:11:22,990 --> 01:11:29,290
Well, I think we want some assurances that Brisbane's very limited water supply is not going to be used.

571
01:11:29,290 --> 01:11:29,490
Yeah.

572
01:11:29,490 --> 01:11:30,370
We don't submit it.

573
01:11:30,850 --> 01:11:32,890
For the construction and remediation.

574
01:11:32,890 --> 01:11:33,190
Okay.

575
01:11:33,190 --> 01:11:36,210
We will be using our SFPUC water.

576
01:11:36,990 --> 01:11:37,150
Okay.

577
01:11:37,490 --> 01:11:41,870
And I believe the specific plan mentions using San Francisco water.

578
01:11:42,370 --> 01:11:45,290
And we need to make sure that that is not in there.

579
01:11:47,240 --> 01:11:52,330
In that I think that needs to be explained.

580
01:11:55,090 --> 01:11:55,970
You look positive.

581
01:11:56,950 --> 01:11:59,170
Can you give us the page?

582
01:11:59,430 --> 01:11:59,950
I remember.

583
01:11:59,950 --> 01:12:00,270
I remember.

584
01:12:00,770 --> 01:12:00,870
Okay.

585
01:12:04,740 --> 01:12:05,940
Oh, do you mean Brisbane water?

586
01:12:05,940 --> 01:12:06,340
Sorry.

587
01:12:06,340 --> 01:12:07,100
Sorry, same water.

588
01:12:07,380 --> 01:12:07,560
Yes.

589
01:12:08,100 --> 01:12:08,280
No.

590
01:12:09,540 --> 01:12:09,840
No.

591
01:12:10,020 --> 01:12:10,540
And we'll talk.

592
01:12:10,780 --> 01:12:12,600
We have a whole, when we get to water,

593
01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:16,160
Mayor Mack and we have a whole presentation on our,

594
01:12:16,160 --> 01:12:20,520
on our current cow water agreement for

595
01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:28,680
Supplying the baylands with potable water. Okay. Yeah, did you ever just out of curiosity come up with a budget for the cost of the dust mitigation

596
01:12:29,860 --> 01:12:33,020
At the price of water. I'm just curious because that's

597
01:12:33,020 --> 01:12:38,840
Significant yes, I mean we we have a current we have a certain amount of

598
01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:43,320
Gallons of water that we currently use that's what we call our existing use and we can use that and we've already

599
01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:49,920
Determined that that's enough for remediation and construction. Yeah, okay because if we have drought years and they issue

600
01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:53,380
to cut backs, what are you going to do?

601
01:12:53,940 --> 01:12:57,000
I will follow whatever plan the SFP you see puts out.

602
01:12:58,080 --> 01:13:01,900
I mean, you may recall 2015, 2017,

603
01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:03,940
when we were in a very severe drought, and yeah,

604
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:06,920
everybody got home.

605
01:13:07,580 --> 01:13:11,380
A home new program was put out for water usage and tiered systems,

606
01:13:11,980 --> 01:13:13,220
and, you know, right.

607
01:13:13,500 --> 01:13:14,200
But you want to do it.

608
01:13:14,200 --> 01:13:16,400
But you want to do it in dust mitigation at the time.

609
01:13:16,440 --> 01:13:17,380
So that's my concern.

610
01:13:17,440 --> 01:13:17,860
Yeah.

611
01:13:17,860 --> 01:13:19,300
I thought they were on Chile.

612
01:13:19,460 --> 01:13:22,120
And significantly, large amounts of water.

613
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:25,980
Yeah, but again, and if you want the more details on that,

614
01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:28,940
we have already calculated how much water we need

615
01:13:28,940 --> 01:13:30,360
for the remediation and the construction.

616
01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:35,240
And it is within our existing water use on our existing

617
01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:38,280
SFPUC water use.

618
01:13:39,500 --> 01:13:39,520
OK.

619
01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:41,000
Any other questions?

620
01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:42,160
Because I have one more.

621
01:13:42,180 --> 01:13:42,760
I'm good.

622
01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:43,440
OK.

623
01:13:43,440 --> 01:13:56,480
So Schlaglock has been mentioned as a comparable example of a remediation project and there

624
01:13:56,480 --> 01:14:03,500
was a looting to a private entity serving as an operator compliance coordinator and a

625
01:14:03,500 --> 01:14:05,860
steward for a remediated site.

626
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:08,200
Who is private entity?

627
01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:11,880
Any idea?

628
01:14:12,460 --> 01:14:15,640
No, I'm not sure what you're referring to, but give me some more

629
01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:17,340
maybe I can come back with an answer?

630
01:14:17,900 --> 01:14:19,580
Well, where are you reading them?

631
01:14:19,980 --> 01:14:22,240
From that's been in a staff report,

632
01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:23,960
mentioning Schleglock,

633
01:14:26,570 --> 01:14:28,190
and the recent mentioned Schleglock.

634
01:14:31,230 --> 01:14:33,170
Comparable remediation project

635
01:14:33,170 --> 01:14:35,770
and onsite specific environmental

636
01:14:35,770 --> 01:14:39,950
management area structures under a private entity.

637
01:14:41,470 --> 01:14:42,510
And I'm just curious,

638
01:14:43,730 --> 01:14:47,310
private entity as the operator and compliance coordinator

639
01:14:47,310 --> 01:14:49,390
who would be a private entity.

640
01:14:49,390 --> 01:14:56,970
maybe staff can answer that. I think they may be referring to us, the owner, is the private entity

641
01:14:56,970 --> 01:14:58,850
that's overseeing this Shajlok.

642
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:08,380
Edeation, which is, we are now in, well, it's sure that it has been remediated, it is now in what they call O&M operations and maintenance of the site.

643
01:15:09,780 --> 01:15:13,020
But I think the private, it's referring to us.

644
01:15:13,420 --> 01:15:21,200
Okay. Yeah. All right. Thank you. And if staff has a different take on it, can come back on that. That would be appreciated as well.

645
01:15:22,040 --> 01:15:26,440
All right. Absent any further questions. We go to public comments.

646
01:15:29,540 --> 01:15:32,860
First one I have is Michelle Salman,

647
01:15:38,490 --> 01:15:39,250
Michelle Salman,

648
01:15:39,350 --> 01:15:40,190
President and President.

649
01:15:41,290 --> 01:15:45,610
There are so many holes in this that I'm concerned about

650
01:15:45,610 --> 01:15:47,950
and I'm glad you brought many of them up.

651
01:15:48,650 --> 01:15:52,350
We have really not experienced where the state

652
01:15:52,350 --> 01:15:56,790
regulatory has come in and looked at what the work

653
01:15:56,790 --> 01:15:58,970
that the HOA and the CC and ours have done

654
01:15:58,970 --> 01:16:00,150
up at the Northeastern Ridge.

655
01:16:01,070 --> 01:16:04,090
And I wonder how reliable that is,

656
01:16:04,090 --> 01:16:08,230
How many instances across the state has that actually happened?

657
01:16:09,550 --> 01:16:18,670
I love the idea of secure public access but not ownership and the consistent designs.

658
01:16:19,350 --> 01:16:32,550
But I am still really concerned about the decimification and making sure that each section is remediated before each district is remediated before anybody moves there.

659
01:16:32,550 --> 01:16:37,130
But hopefully the whole district is remediated before anybody moves there.

660
01:16:37,850 --> 01:16:44,610
Because I've seen obviously all the dust that came off of that site for many years.

661
01:16:44,690 --> 01:16:49,030
All the way back to 2015, yes, they were supposed to be watering them and they weren't.

662
01:16:49,130 --> 01:16:54,470
You know, and so it really is a big issue for both the people who drive by.

663
01:16:55,090 --> 01:16:57,430
People who work there, people who be doing the work.

664
01:16:58,350 --> 01:17:02,970
It's a dangerous sight, that's about it, but I really appreciate the questions that you're

665
01:17:02,970 --> 01:17:03,710
asking.

666
01:17:05,070 --> 01:17:05,850
Public scale.

667
01:17:15,240 --> 01:17:20,240
Public scale has been risen, and I do appreciate the questions you're all asking.

668
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:32,120
And about transporting the fill, and I was just curious, you had mentioned that the information

669
01:17:32,120 --> 01:17:38,820
that you've gathered, and staff is working on responses as well as from the community.

670
01:17:40,040 --> 01:17:45,300
And I thought there was going to be the day that we're going to have responses from the

671
01:17:45,300 --> 01:17:46,460
community being answered.

672
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:53,100
And one of the things I was curious about, I'd like to know if there's any,

673
01:17:55,280 --> 01:17:55,980
if it's been

674
01:17:55,980 --> 01:18:07,060
looked into regarding the transporting of leftover cleanup from the area of the railroad site.

675
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:17,440
And back when I proposed transporting it over to the unregulated landfill and dump it

676
01:18:17,440 --> 01:18:24,160
at there is that it has taken it to a hazardous landfill site, it was said that that was

677
01:18:24,160 --> 01:18:32,820
possible but the regulatory agencies wouldn't let that happen but they'll allow them to put

678
01:18:32,820 --> 01:18:38,940
underneath the roadway on the site, move it from here and put it there, put it under a

679
01:18:38,940 --> 01:18:45,600
roadway which is acceptable and never having utilities in there so nobody's ever digging in

680
01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:51,740
there and that's acceptable way of doing it so why couldn't we transport it over to the under

681
01:18:51,740 --> 01:18:56,140
the landfills site, just like possibly with the real

682
01:18:56,140 --> 01:19:03,340
the other, like they're going to do transporting the dirt, and the reason

683
01:19:03,340 --> 01:19:08,340
why that's so important is transporting, I don't know, how many

684
01:19:08,340 --> 01:19:14,520
truckloads I've never heard, what they estimate, the surplus contaminated

685
01:19:14,520 --> 01:19:19,500
soils going to be, but how many truckloads would have to go to hazardous

686
01:19:19,500 --> 01:19:27,680
landfield site. And we're responsible for that from the time that leaves until the time it

687
01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:33,380
gets there and as long as it's there. I say we, I don't know what our involvement is from the city,

688
01:19:34,480 --> 01:19:40,360
but the property owners and to your point, if the property owners fail to come through the development

689
01:19:40,360 --> 01:19:48,900
or sell it, then who's responsible? So I would like to know what the idea answer is if possible. Thank you.

690
01:19:48,900 --> 01:19:51,680
I would like to know the answer to that as well.

691
01:19:51,800 --> 01:19:53,320
Staff, can you comment on that?

692
01:19:53,400 --> 01:19:54,240
Is that impossible?

693
01:19:56,320 --> 01:19:58,000
According to state agencies,

694
01:20:10,410 --> 01:20:15,430
and if we're not sure that's okay, but if we have an answer that would be great for everyone to hear.

695
01:20:16,590 --> 01:20:20,730
Yeah, we'll need to clarify the question and get back to you all with an answer.

696
01:20:21,010 --> 01:20:21,310
Perfect.

697
01:20:21,510 --> 01:20:22,830
Thank you very much.

698
01:20:23,710 --> 01:20:24,150
Robin, lighter?

699
01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:38,660
I guess I have a bunch of small questions that also came up.

700
01:20:38,660 --> 01:21:00,320
One I'd like to say, as I've gone through the internet best I can to do a search for has anybody made a homeowner's association responsible for remediation, monitoring, and site repair on a landfill, or a contaminated site, and I can't find one, and I think for a very good reason.

701
01:21:00,320 --> 01:21:08,560
If you think about it, where would a homeowner even start to find those kind of expertise?

702
01:21:09,400 --> 01:21:11,820
It's just not a workable solution.

703
01:21:12,900 --> 01:21:18,500
And though they say, and it's even worse in my mind, not only is there a homeowner's association

704
01:21:18,500 --> 01:21:27,360
that has to remediate the site where they live, there's a master homeowner's association that makes the homeowner's

705
01:21:27,360 --> 01:21:33,080
a response, I'm sorry, remediate, the monitors of the site, but there's also a master

706
01:21:33,080 --> 01:21:37,940
homeowner's, I'm sorry, a master property owners association, which makes those homeowners

707
01:21:37,940 --> 01:21:46,840
also responsible with the commercial for the landfill, and that just seems, I know this

708
01:21:46,840 --> 01:21:51,780
probably sounds like an eighth grade word, but it just seems so unfair. I don't think that

709
01:21:51,780 --> 01:21:58,440
There's any homeowner that is a sufficient background or whatever to take on that kind of thing.

710
01:21:59,060 --> 01:22:05,160
And one of the things that also bothers me is that there's an art dip that the developer

711
01:22:05,160 --> 01:22:08,540
has to get from the state agencies before we can go forward.

712
01:22:08,940 --> 01:22:16,880
And that would include what obligations they have for the monitoring remediation or site repair

713
01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:17,740
of those sites.

714
01:22:17,740 --> 01:22:26,280
And if you get in between them, as I think your consultant said, that money is only drawn upon if there's nobody else.

715
01:22:27,040 --> 01:22:29,940
So now who's in between them and them?

716
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:37,420
The polluters, or the current, or the current developer, you put the homeowners in between.

717
01:22:38,820 --> 01:22:54,800
So, I think it would be important not to do this, and none of it has to be done now, until you can see in the R-Dip what to the state agencies require them to post for security for both of these sites, for both the remediation and the landfill.

718
01:22:55,660 --> 01:23:00,900
And I guess the other thing that kind of bothers me about this is I think you really need

719
01:23:00,900 --> 01:23:10,080
these are dips for both. The landfill and the sites where the housing is being built.

720
01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:19,780
And why I say that is I still can't figure out if the sustainability zone is in phase two,

721
01:23:19,780 --> 01:23:23,900
But the cityability zone has things that are required

722
01:23:24,480 --> 01:23:29,500
like the water treatment plant or the solar farm or those kinds of things.

723
01:23:29,920 --> 01:23:33,400
How can the remediation not be happening at the same time?

724
01:23:34,300 --> 01:23:38,000
So I'm having a difficulty understanding how the phasing works.

725
01:23:38,560 --> 01:23:42,020
So for my point of view, during phasing when you're doing the housing,

726
01:23:42,520 --> 01:23:47,500
you might also then be remediating, remediating the site,

727
01:23:47,500 --> 01:23:56,200
So that when if you start after phase one with the sustainability zone, that mean it could be

728
01:23:56,200 --> 01:24:02,060
10 or 20 years before any of the things in the sustainability zone actually get built.

729
01:24:03,120 --> 01:24:08,340
And so I think there needs to be a phasing plan that makes it clear that they have to start

730
01:24:08,340 --> 01:24:16,760
doing the cleanup on that site, on the phase two site before they get done with phase one.

731
01:24:17,740 --> 01:24:24,080
Also, the wetlands for the visitation creek doesn't have to be done until after I think

732
01:24:24,080 --> 01:24:29,680
a million square feet is built on the east side, so that means you wouldn't have finished

733
01:24:29,680 --> 01:24:38,540
the drainage out to the bay until, you know, after a million square feet on the east side.

734
01:24:39,460 --> 01:24:45,660
And lastly, I would say to you that many of the triggers or gates you have for things are

735
01:24:45,660 --> 01:24:52,620
during phase one, a thousand and one homes, or after four million square feet for, let's say,

736
01:24:52,680 --> 01:24:58,860
Geneva or a million square feet for the wetland creeks.

737
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:05,240
And my question is, well, if we never get to that number, that means you don't have, you

738
01:25:05,240 --> 01:25:06,320
don't get it.

739
01:25:07,040 --> 01:25:13,960
So if they build 999, whatever, and they never come in for their thousand permit, then they

740
01:25:13,960 --> 01:25:21,060
never have to build. So I think we need more effective triggers to which make them responsible

741
01:25:23,180 --> 01:25:28,740
for building the mitigation measures at the EIR sets forth and for filling the conditions

742
01:25:28,740 --> 01:25:35,940
of approval that I think the community believe should be fulfilled. I thank you for your time.

743
01:25:36,400 --> 01:25:38,040
Thank you. Susan Brandon?

744
01:25:44,360 --> 01:25:46,920
Susan that was from last week. From the last year.

745
01:25:46,920 --> 01:25:48,900
I want to come up.

746
01:25:49,260 --> 01:25:49,760
If you,

747
01:25:55,280 --> 01:26:18,100
I think that once the plan is approved, then the developer goes to ensures and should anything go wrong with the developer, then the HOA would be responsible to the, I mean,

748
01:26:18,100 --> 01:26:31,320
ensures would charge astronomical rates for a project like this. There is no why would anyone want to get

749
01:26:31,320 --> 01:26:40,460
into this kind of financial let's strangle hold? Why would anyone want that? Why would any, I don't

750
01:26:40,460 --> 01:26:48,080
no other than the low income housing, I don't know that anyway. And then on the east coast,

751
01:26:48,280 --> 01:26:56,080
there's something called 80, 20 housing. I don't know if that exists here as well. But 80%

752
01:26:56,080 --> 01:27:03,420
is regular income housing and 20% within the same building is low income housing. And then the

753
01:27:04,480 --> 01:27:11,340
It feels in the gap of monies that, you know, to cover the low income housing.

754
01:27:11,840 --> 01:27:17,420
So that's just, I lived in a building like that with the regular income.

755
01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:27,280
And it was just such a wonderful cup to hold everyone in, a wonderful basket.

756
01:27:27,280 --> 01:27:34,480
there was no, there wasn't any feeling of like isolating or creating like a mini ghetto within

757
01:27:34,480 --> 01:27:41,640
a community and it just worked beautifully and that happens all over Manhattan and you know

758
01:27:41,640 --> 01:27:49,600
the most exclusive buildings and there isn't any problem and or objection from people paying

759
01:27:49,600 --> 01:27:58,450
full ownership for rental. Thank you. Thank you Paul Elian.

760
01:28:06,990 --> 01:28:07,850
Paul is one of our

761
01:28:07,850 --> 01:28:11,790
union brothers. He had to go because he has a wake up at 330. He works in Sacramento.

762
01:28:12,850 --> 01:28:17,490
So he's never going to be. Thank you. Jose Rodriguez.

763
01:28:26,740 --> 01:28:30,440
So I'm a Marine. I'm a combat

764
01:28:30,440 --> 01:28:37,040
veteran and I've been in the union for nine years and I did the whole program. I did

765
01:28:37,040 --> 01:28:41,240
the apprenticeship. It's supposed to be four years, but I did five because of COVID.

766
01:28:43,580 --> 01:28:49,200
And this is a really good opportunity for us to come here. It's a 20-year project or

767
01:28:49,200 --> 01:28:57,200
plus. I've seen people really grow. I've grown, now I'm a safety manager.

768
01:28:58,560 --> 01:29:06,600
And I see some of your concerns and all we are is with Ambil, but all we are is safety.

769
01:29:06,600 --> 01:29:14,120
safety is such an important thing for us and I see some of you are concerned with the

770
01:29:14,120 --> 01:29:22,480
carbon as union, with the union, we are so hard on safety. We make sure you can't come

771
01:29:22,480 --> 01:29:30,240
in the site without PPE, water control, VC does. We're like, hey guys, get the water truck out here,

772
01:29:30,400 --> 01:29:36,520
get that done. We're really on top of that stuff and I see such a great opportunity

773
01:29:37,340 --> 01:29:41,140
for, you know, the kids growing up here. I also live here. I live in

774
01:29:41,140 --> 01:29:46,380
right down the street in Mariposa. And, you know, I love this town. And I see a

775
01:29:46,380 --> 01:29:51,080
great opportunity for, for this town to grow and, you know, like opportunity for

776
01:29:51,080 --> 01:29:55,440
the kids, you know, opportunity for, you know, people that just want to get a job and

777
01:29:55,440 --> 01:29:59,980
and constructions such a great opportunity for people to grow and step up in.

778
01:30:00,580 --> 01:30:08,460
If they want to do better, they can do better, but it really helped me out being a combat veteran with PTSD.

779
01:30:09,700 --> 01:30:16,140
I didn't know what I can do, and then I was like, man, Lee got it, let me go by now because I'm kind of messed up.

780
01:30:16,720 --> 01:30:27,300
But they were there and I go to VA, I do everything with the VA, and I'm just really happy with what the unions give me.

781
01:30:27,300 --> 01:30:30,460
And I'm really happy to see what's gonna happen in the future.

782
01:30:31,700 --> 01:30:36,280
And, you know, like, with the safety that we're going to the next level with Safety,

783
01:30:36,520 --> 01:30:42,000
I mean, it's just, we're on top of things and, you know, some of better than the others,

784
01:30:43,000 --> 01:30:49,900
but it's just, you know, like, if I work here, if I work in Safety, I'm gonna be on top of it.

785
01:30:49,940 --> 01:30:53,840
I'm gonna make sure that everything's good, but yeah, I just want to say,

786
01:30:56,200 --> 01:30:58,540
you know,

787
01:30:58,540 --> 01:31:02,560
and be a venture, and I appreciate your time.

788
01:31:02,980 --> 01:31:04,040
Thank you.

789
01:31:04,300 --> 01:31:06,880
Nils, Dellander or Dellander?

790
01:31:07,560 --> 01:31:09,160
I don't know if I said your name, right?

791
01:31:09,240 --> 01:31:10,740
Sorry if I messed it up.

792
01:31:16,230 --> 01:31:16,750
Good evening, Mayor.

793
01:31:17,010 --> 01:31:18,430
Council members and CSTF.

794
01:31:18,950 --> 01:31:21,330
My name is Nils Lander, and I'm a lifelong resident

795
01:31:21,330 --> 01:31:23,770
of the neighboring city of South San Francisco.

796
01:31:24,630 --> 01:31:27,030
As union members of the Carbers Union,

797
01:31:27,350 --> 01:31:28,850
we strongly support the Baylands project

798
01:31:28,850 --> 01:31:32,170
because it represents significant investment

799
01:31:32,170 --> 01:31:37,070
of a community, our workforce, and our future. This project will create thousands of

800
01:31:37,070 --> 01:31:40,290
construction jobs that provide long-term employment opportunities for skilled

801
01:31:40,290 --> 01:31:45,530
carpenters, apprentices, and trade workers throughout the region. Large skill, large

802
01:31:45,530 --> 01:31:49,610
skill developments, like Bayland's projects, generated years of work, healthy union

803
01:31:49,610 --> 01:31:54,270
members, support and the families, and build the quality infrastructure that

804
01:31:54,270 --> 01:31:59,570
benefits entire the community. Now, this is about remediation because I need you to

805
01:31:59,570 --> 01:32:07,430
on topic. I obviously basically finally have the special quick that's yeah we have to stay on topic.

806
01:32:07,690 --> 01:32:13,090
Do you have something to say regarding this project? Long-term remediation. We support this projects

807
01:32:13,090 --> 01:32:18,210
and we want to make sure that this project is keep going. Okay, because this isn't a general common

808
01:32:18,210 --> 01:32:25,170
period. This is specific to the topic or on. Okay, thank you, Mayor. Okay, thank you. Claire Johnson,

809
01:32:41,330 --> 01:32:43,290
Good evening.

810
01:32:44,750 --> 01:32:49,650
I wanted to just make a comment on the earlier discussion about the water from an SFP

811
01:32:49,650 --> 01:32:52,590
you see that they own or the water right.

812
01:32:52,890 --> 01:32:56,170
I think they should tell you how big that water right is.

813
01:32:56,230 --> 01:32:57,990
What exactly is it?

814
01:32:58,510 --> 01:33:01,330
And I thought, why didn't anybody mention it till now?

815
01:33:04,310 --> 01:33:10,570
And does SFP you see know that they're going to be using this water outside of San Francisco?

816
01:33:10,570 --> 01:33:19,150
not only at their building in San Francisco, but all over for remediation and for construction.

817
01:33:21,210 --> 01:33:26,810
I wanted to ask about the R-Diff for all you two. I've been looking for it.

818
01:33:26,890 --> 01:33:34,490
I did a public document now, and where is it available? Could you help me find that out?

819
01:33:34,490 --> 01:33:43,650
And at the last public hearing, there was discussion about whether construction and remediation activities could be done in close proximity to each other.

820
01:33:43,650 --> 01:33:46,050
And I don't believe the question was clearly answered.

821
01:33:46,530 --> 01:33:49,990
What exactly does the water board require in terms of proximity?

822
01:33:50,670 --> 01:33:52,890
And where is it found in their written material?

823
01:33:53,710 --> 01:33:55,210
Because I've been looking.

824
01:33:56,030 --> 01:34:01,990
In this specific plan, it states that the tunnel road will always be open for Sierra Point Lumber and other businesses.

825
01:34:01,990 --> 01:34:09,290
It appears that considering the truck traffic, including the soil moving trucks and all the normal traffic

826
01:34:09,290 --> 01:34:16,350
that the road would be overwhelmed and virtually closed the road, that would be closed the road.

827
01:34:16,910 --> 01:34:24,790
If that occurred, then you should require a stop to work order after three days of traffic being brought to a standstill

828
01:34:24,790 --> 01:34:29,790
because it's mentioned multiple places in this specific plan that that road is going to be open.

829
01:34:30,870 --> 01:34:38,710
And I think there also should be a penalty of the average total of sales for day, or

830
01:34:38,710 --> 01:34:43,210
each day that the traffic still stands in place and does not move.

831
01:34:43,770 --> 01:34:49,070
This would create a strong incentive for DBI to arrange it so that the traffic keeps moving.

832
01:34:50,550 --> 01:34:56,370
The aesthetics of the buildings that I've been able to sort of judge from their illustrations

833
01:34:57,030 --> 01:34:58,770
seems geared to the mediocre.

834
01:34:58,770 --> 01:35:04,630
The building should be softened and cooled by having plants and hanging lines on the exterior

835
01:35:04,630 --> 01:35:10,410
and whether or not vines or windows there should be solar panels, breathively 45 acre

836
01:35:10,410 --> 01:35:10,930
source.

837
01:35:11,490 --> 01:35:16,990
The amount that we did not build that was originally hoped for.

838
01:35:17,850 --> 01:35:22,690
I think the project would be smaller in several ways.

839
01:35:22,870 --> 01:35:27,510
The commercial leasing market in this area doesn't support this larger project and may not

840
01:35:27,510 --> 01:35:30,850
ever do so considering all the other buildings that have been built.

841
01:35:31,410 --> 01:35:34,190
The pressure to secure enough water would not be so great.

842
01:35:34,590 --> 01:35:40,450
It would be a more attractive project visually and it would be less expensive to build.

843
01:35:41,690 --> 01:35:48,770
I'm hoping that you will choose that alternative, number seven, or modify version of it.

844
01:35:49,010 --> 01:35:53,650
There are unanswered questions about the project that need answering and you must do your

845
01:35:53,650 --> 01:35:56,470
best to make sure the project does not fail as a result.

846
01:35:56,470 --> 01:36:00,770
The developer is $7 million in debt arrears to the city.

847
01:36:01,270 --> 01:36:05,650
You need to face the fact that there is either a big problem or they are trying to pressure

848
01:36:05,650 --> 01:36:12,570
you into accepting a project that is incomplete and is not perhaps a risk-based interest

849
01:36:12,570 --> 01:36:13,710
to be so large.

850
01:36:14,350 --> 01:36:19,990
If DBI sue you and sue all of us, it would delay things even more.

851
01:36:19,990 --> 01:36:27,830
So, the answer to you, why, let them sue us, and then other people, I think, if you don't do enough review,

852
01:36:28,050 --> 01:36:37,110
the other people will undoubtedly sue. So, it seems like a difficult choice, but the choice of protecting Brisbane interest,

853
01:36:37,210 --> 01:36:41,810
I know is what you all want, and I support you in that. Thank you.

854
01:36:42,030 --> 01:36:42,850
Thank you.

855
01:36:43,930 --> 01:36:51,590
Okay. This is all the public comment. Slips I have, City Clerk, do we have anyone online

856
01:36:51,590 --> 01:36:58,650
that I don't have a slipbook? I have a slipbook for Allie's Sepperman and Janette NATO online.

857
01:36:59,510 --> 01:37:02,270
Okay. Allie, you want to go ahead?

858
01:37:09,490 --> 01:37:12,310
Good evening, Mayor and Council members. My name is Allie C,

859
01:37:12,350 --> 01:37:15,470
for men from the Housing Action Coalition. A non-profit that supports

860
01:37:15,470 --> 01:37:19,070
infall housing at all income levels. Our membership stands the building industry

861
01:37:19,070 --> 01:37:22,810
from developers to labor unions, and I'm here tonight to urge you to keep the valence moving

862
01:37:22,810 --> 01:37:23,170
forward.

863
01:37:23,690 --> 01:37:27,410
Brownfield Development is a critical strategy for reducing greenhouse gas emissions and

864
01:37:27,410 --> 01:37:28,670
preventing urban sprawl.

865
01:37:28,670 --> 01:37:29,970
as we've heard at previous year.

866
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:35,420
The billings will be safely remediated under the oversight of appropriate regulatory agencies.

867
01:37:36,200 --> 01:37:46,140
Like many other Bay Area projects, the billings will carry on going reporting requirements that ensure accountability and transparency, long after the remediation is complete.

868
01:37:47,440 --> 01:37:57,000
Remediation deserves careful consideration, but it's unclear why a fourth meeting on this topic is needed. The council's role is to amend the zoning for the billings not to regulate remediation.

869
01:37:57,000 --> 01:38:05,620
This is the Council's 7th public hearing on the Baylands following six planning commission meetings and 20 years of analysis in public input.

870
01:38:06,060 --> 01:38:11,380
Council members have recently discussed adding more hearings and pushing back the vote on the Baylands planning documents.

871
01:38:11,780 --> 01:38:14,880
This is unacceptable. It's time to move the Baylands forward.

872
01:38:15,440 --> 01:38:19,920
Brisbane, the region and the state can no longer afford more delays on new housing. Thank you.

873
01:38:19,920 --> 01:38:26,540
Okay, and City Clerk, you said there was one more, and I didn't touch the name, sorry.

874
01:38:27,100 --> 01:38:29,100
It's Janet Naito, online.

875
01:38:29,680 --> 01:38:30,860
Okay, Janet, go ahead.

876
01:38:35,670 --> 01:38:39,990
Good evening. My name is Janet Naito. I am with the Center for Creative Land Recycling.

877
01:38:41,210 --> 01:38:46,130
I spoke before, I appeared before you guys, I think two meetings ago.

878
01:38:46,670 --> 01:38:52,350
I wanted to talk a little about a long-term stewardship. Prior to joining Seacler,

879
01:38:52,350 --> 01:39:00,810
I worked for DTSC. DTSC could also speak to long-term stewardship if they're present tonight.

880
01:39:02,570 --> 01:39:09,110
Long-term stewardship is an integral part of cleanup at a number of different sites. We do have

881
01:39:09,530 --> 01:39:17,390
we require financial assurance. We also require that people who are doing long-term stewardship

882
01:39:17,390 --> 01:39:29,510
or DTSC requires people who require or sites that require long-term stewardship to periodically review the cleanups to make sure they are still protective.

883
01:39:32,970 --> 01:39:42,270
We have a number of different sites where homeowners associations are required to conduct the monitoring and maintenance.

884
01:39:44,190 --> 01:39:52,370
Anybody doing work on a site that is capped is required to notify DTSC if it is a DTSC

885
01:39:52,370 --> 01:39:58,490
lead or the waterboard if it is a waterboard lead if you're going to penetrate the cap.

886
01:40:00,350 --> 01:40:06,970
So that, as Michelle explained earlier, procedures are in place to ensure that you're not

887
01:40:06,970 --> 01:40:14,830
going to have a situation or that you'll catch a situation if something goes wrong during that penetration.

888
01:40:17,670 --> 01:40:21,770
And that's pretty much all I had to say. Thank you very much for your time.

889
01:40:22,490 --> 01:40:30,490
Okay, thank you. Anyone else? City Clerk? Okay. No metamere. All right. Before we move on to the next

890
01:40:30,490 --> 01:40:35,450
topic, I would just ask staff. There's something that I felt was a very good question,

891
01:40:35,450 --> 01:40:43,390
like if staff could either find out the answer, where do we find the R-Dip for O-U-2? Do we know?

892
01:40:49,420 --> 01:40:55,580
The R-Dip for O-U-2 normally would be on geo-tracker, but it is not a completely final document.

893
01:40:55,580 --> 01:41:01,260
At this point it's a draft final, and it's just not available yet on geo-tracker, but it is very similar

894
01:41:01,260 --> 01:41:07,500
to the contents of the R-Dip for O-U-S-M. So when might it be available?

895
01:41:08,640 --> 01:41:11,560
I would let Stephanie respond to that.

896
01:41:14,420 --> 01:41:22,600
Yeah, both the R-dips for O-U-S-M and O-U-2 are in final draft form.

897
01:41:23,420 --> 01:41:31,600
I think we have a final round of comments with both agencies on the R-dips.

898
01:41:32,240 --> 01:41:34,480
And I want to finalize they will be posted.

899
01:41:34,480 --> 01:41:44,440
But at the last BB-Kag meeting, the water board and at the DTSC had agreed to bring them back to the BB-Kag for review before finalization.

900
01:41:45,180 --> 01:41:46,680
So that is the current plan.

901
01:41:47,000 --> 01:41:49,620
Okay, so we don't have a date on it.

902
01:41:50,040 --> 01:41:52,320
The date on the finalization? Correct.

903
01:41:53,720 --> 01:41:58,780
No, but I would say, I would hope before the end of the year.

904
01:41:58,780 --> 01:42:22,000
Yeah. Okay. I'm the finalization of the R-dips and the R-dips. Again, they're more detailed than the remediation, the remedial action plan, the RAPS, which is what Measure J. J. required us to have and have approved have been approved and the RAPS are a more of a larger global picture of the cleanup and all the various potential cleanup methodologies.

905
01:42:22,000 --> 01:42:31,160
Those have been approved and those went through a public comment period and that's what measure JJ required us to have approved fire to

906
01:42:31,800 --> 01:42:36,260
You know the project being approved. Do you have the drafts on your website?

907
01:42:37,200 --> 01:42:39,300
The drafts that there are dips? No.

908
01:42:39,320 --> 01:42:45,340
Again, we're still going through the process with the regulators and responding to all of their comments and questions.

909
01:42:45,920 --> 01:42:47,280
Okay, and then once that's finished.

910
01:42:47,280 --> 01:42:49,940
Yeah, they will be finalized and they'll be posted.

911
01:42:50,500 --> 01:42:53,300
Okay, do we have the drafts on our website?

912
01:42:54,280 --> 01:42:57,860
No, drafts are not generally shared at the public until their finalized.

913
01:42:58,360 --> 01:43:01,020
Okay, that is the agency's policies.

914
01:43:01,520 --> 01:43:11,600
Would you consider coming back to us next hearing and giving us a more firm date than maybe by the end of the year on the finalizations?

915
01:43:12,440 --> 01:43:12,560
Yes.

916
01:43:13,820 --> 01:43:14,920
Yes, I can do that.

917
01:43:14,920 --> 01:43:16,080
Yeah, that'd be great.

918
01:43:16,680 --> 01:43:17,900
Thank you.

919
01:43:18,200 --> 01:43:18,560
Okay.

920
01:43:20,120 --> 01:43:28,440
Moving on to this is the topic number eight planning commission recommendation, remediation

921
01:43:28,440 --> 01:43:30,240
reporting, and enforcement.

922
01:43:31,000 --> 01:43:33,900
Council questions starting with Council member Kern.

923
01:43:34,860 --> 01:43:36,400
No questions at this time.

924
01:43:36,720 --> 01:43:37,120
Okay.

925
01:43:38,460 --> 01:43:39,400
Council member Lens.

926
01:43:39,400 --> 01:43:46,580
I don't know either, but I appreciate the recommendations that were given by the Plan

927
01:43:46,580 --> 01:43:47,240
Commission.

928
01:43:47,900 --> 01:43:48,080
Okay.

929
01:43:50,650 --> 01:43:51,590
Mayor Potom Davis.

930
01:43:54,840 --> 01:44:02,140
So if remediation deadline is missed or require report reveals non-compliance, are there

931
01:44:02,140 --> 01:44:09,680
any remedies available to the city that are distinct from those available to DTSC, the regional

932
01:44:09,680 --> 01:44:15,220
water quality control board or the county environmental health agency and would

933
01:44:15,220 --> 01:44:21,680
executing any upon any of those remedies create liability for us.

934
01:44:22,220 --> 01:44:28,900
Well, the city's primary enforcement role is related to its land use permitting authority,

935
01:44:30,460 --> 01:44:39,660
so as the specific plan and I all contemplate the compliance with the remediation plans

936
01:44:39,660 --> 01:44:45,240
is a prerequisite for building permits for certificates of occupancy.

937
01:44:45,660 --> 01:44:54,340
So if the appropriate actions haven't been taken in the regulatory agencies haven't approved

938
01:44:54,340 --> 01:44:59,980
the work has been performed to their specifications, that's a basis for the city too.

939
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:08,860
Again, depending on the phase of construction with hold a building permit or an occupancy permit and enforce things through those mechanisms.

940
01:45:09,660 --> 01:45:11,580
Thank you. That's all the questions I have in this section.

941
01:45:12,280 --> 01:45:16,040
Okay, then we have, let's see, cuts of my roll call.

942
01:45:20,220 --> 01:45:26,040
Just a clarification of page six of eight of the staff report.

943
01:45:27,080 --> 01:45:31,560
When it talked about the phasing of the specific plan chapter eight,

944
01:45:31,560 --> 01:45:44,700
It's a state approved remediation for OUSM and an OU-2 must be certified complete before construction permits are issued west of Caltering.

945
01:45:45,840 --> 01:45:50,900
Has that been debunked at this point?

946
01:45:53,240 --> 01:46:13,080
Yes, in prior hearing, I noted that that was a oversight or misrepresentation, because both the plan and the MMRP, both state that this would be a phase to approach, so the specific plan has more detail on that and presents the different phases.

947
01:46:13,080 --> 01:46:42,380
Thank you. And have we gotten any clarification from the water quality board or from the other regulation regulatory agencies if they would allow block by block remediation or have we have we confirmed what their usual procedures are for

948
01:46:42,380 --> 01:46:44,660
areas to be remediated?

949
01:46:46,760 --> 01:46:49,120
We haven't had those specific discussions.

950
01:46:49,980 --> 01:46:54,600
I would anticipate it's something larger than block by block.

951
01:46:56,500 --> 01:46:57,940
Maybe it's district by district.

952
01:46:58,440 --> 01:46:59,620
We can have those conversations.

953
01:47:00,340 --> 01:47:04,100
But I think previously when we were talking about

954
01:47:04,100 --> 01:47:06,020
the individual block phasing,

955
01:47:06,300 --> 01:47:09,500
I had more to do with the vertical build out

956
01:47:09,500 --> 01:47:12,480
and the timing of amenities, things like parks and such.

957
01:47:12,480 --> 01:47:16,800
That wasn't meant to imply that individual blocks would be remediated individually.

958
01:47:18,000 --> 01:47:25,300
They're the sites, it's larger than that in terms of what needs to be remediated before any construction can begin.

959
01:47:25,840 --> 01:47:27,060
Thank you.

960
01:47:27,720 --> 01:47:32,100
I would just follow up on what Councilmember O'Connell brought up.

961
01:47:32,100 --> 01:47:41,860
So has staff made that notation about the construction permits west of Caltering to be changed

962
01:47:41,860 --> 01:47:45,400
in the specific plant since you're saying that's not accurate?

963
01:47:47,800 --> 01:47:52,980
This specific plant has that in it, so the staff report is what's inaccurate.

964
01:47:56,800 --> 01:47:57,060
Okay.

965
01:47:57,520 --> 01:47:58,780
It's opposite what I was thinking.

966
01:47:59,260 --> 01:47:59,280
All right.

967
01:47:59,520 --> 01:48:00,480
Thank you.

968
01:48:00,480 --> 01:48:05,680
All right. We have a couple slips on this, and then I'm going to suggest we take a break

969
01:48:05,680 --> 01:48:10,680
after the public has a chance to ask questions. First one is Michelle Salmon, please.

970
01:48:13,330 --> 01:48:18,470
Great. I can see this thing I forgot to say last time. When we were discussing about what happened

971
01:48:18,470 --> 01:48:27,830
at the Google Building and that type of thing, concentrations of gases and other things will change

972
01:48:27,830 --> 01:48:35,270
over time and when Michelle said initially it was fine and then it wasn't. That is often

973
01:48:35,270 --> 01:48:42,930
the case and even the act of building over a site will cause a build-up of gas because it

974
01:48:42,930 --> 01:48:48,670
can no longer just release where it's not accountable or monitored because it'll become concentrated.

975
01:48:49,610 --> 01:48:55,610
So that's a cautionary tale and I just still feel that that's an area of vulnerability for us

976
01:48:55,610 --> 01:48:59,510
With this site, I think that with seed level rise,

977
01:48:59,930 --> 01:49:03,290
my push some of the stuff back up that we think

978
01:49:03,290 --> 01:49:06,930
is already passed through, that actually hasn't passed through yet.

979
01:49:07,430 --> 01:49:11,910
So I am still very concerned about the remediation

980
01:49:11,910 --> 01:49:15,050
and the type of thing that happened at the Google building.

981
01:49:15,670 --> 01:49:18,390
I read different stories about that.

982
01:49:18,670 --> 01:49:20,390
And I actually mentioned it in my comments

983
01:49:20,390 --> 01:49:21,790
when I reviewed the draft EIR.

984
01:49:23,130 --> 01:49:26,050
And I still don't feel happy about what we're doing.

985
01:49:26,490 --> 01:49:29,510
And we have the same problem out on any landfill,

986
01:49:29,790 --> 01:49:30,830
but this one in particular,

987
01:49:31,310 --> 01:49:32,990
especially with the slage lock

988
01:49:32,990 --> 01:49:34,790
and all of the different chemicals

989
01:49:35,310 --> 01:49:37,730
that haven't been investigated yet,

990
01:49:37,890 --> 01:49:39,750
like Lizari, fuel area, et cetera.

991
01:49:40,570 --> 01:49:42,670
So I think there's a lot more that lies beneath

992
01:49:42,670 --> 01:49:43,930
that we haven't seen yet.

993
01:49:44,330 --> 01:49:44,810
Thank you.

994
01:49:46,270 --> 01:49:46,850
Paul Boscale.

995
01:49:51,190 --> 01:49:51,310
Sorry?

996
01:49:52,630 --> 01:49:53,350
Oh, okay.

997
01:49:54,270 --> 01:49:55,690
Rob and lighter?

998
01:50:05,030 --> 01:50:11,150
So some of you know my other favorite topic and Council Member O'Connell brought it up,

999
01:50:11,370 --> 01:50:18,550
which is I had a city manager who used to say never let the development get ahead of

1000
01:50:18,550 --> 01:50:24,110
the infrastructure and so you're always looking that you can see the whole picture and

1001
01:50:24,110 --> 01:50:32,130
that you don't end up with a development that either doesn't have an infrastructure or that

1002
01:50:32,130 --> 01:50:35,290
the next one won't fit in.

1003
01:50:35,730 --> 01:50:38,090
So my answer is the sort of two-fold.

1004
01:50:38,150 --> 01:50:41,950
One is a real requirement to have a single tentative map.

1005
01:50:42,610 --> 01:50:46,410
And what that means, it's a map that actually then puts everything in it.

1006
01:50:46,490 --> 01:50:50,850
The utilities, the drainage, the grading, everything on one map.

1007
01:50:51,010 --> 01:50:54,970
So you can be sure that the east and west sides work together.

1008
01:50:55,630 --> 01:51:01,010
Your specific plan allows the developer the choice of whether he wants to do one tentative map

1009
01:51:01,010 --> 01:51:11,630
or two tentative maps, and it concerns because really the tentative map is the only way that you can really make sure that this development is going to work in conjunction with each other.

1010
01:51:12,570 --> 01:51:21,130
And the other thing I would say is that the R-depth, which somebody said, what did it stand for, remedial design and implementation plan.

1011
01:51:21,130 --> 01:51:30,510
So, these are the actual workings of how they're going to remediate OS-2 and OS-S-S-M and the Lamb-Fel.

1012
01:51:30,950 --> 01:51:37,210
And if you notice they've only done the two, but JJ says they're going to remediate all these sites,

1013
01:51:37,250 --> 01:51:43,150
and they should really be required to get the R-Dip for the Lamb-Fel as well.

1014
01:51:43,150 --> 01:51:50,250
As I said to you before those sustainability zone is in the landfill, so they can't be in

1015
01:51:50,250 --> 01:51:54,870
to work on the landfill if they don't get in our debt from the agencies.

1016
01:51:56,090 --> 01:52:00,230
So we really need to make sure that we're looking at the whole thing, not that it will

1017
01:52:00,230 --> 01:52:05,910
be built all together, but at least in your first documents, you'll get to see the whole thing.

1018
01:52:06,230 --> 01:52:11,310
A single tenant of map will do that, and three are debts from the agency so that you can

1019
01:52:11,310 --> 01:52:17,430
be sure that all those plans worked together, I think is critical to do right off the

1020
01:52:17,430 --> 01:52:17,850
bat.

1021
01:52:18,490 --> 01:52:20,250
Thank you.

1022
01:52:36,030 --> 01:52:48,710
I had a letter from, that was written to the BDI by the Water Board in March. In March, they stated a concurrence

1023
01:52:48,710 --> 01:52:54,270
on the draft room, medial design implementation plan for all you two, that they had questions.

1024
01:52:55,190 --> 01:52:59,410
So, those questions have been on the table, for instance, March.

1025
01:53:00,450 --> 01:53:02,930
Sure, I just looked at them. Thank you.

1026
01:53:06,420 --> 01:53:08,440
Okay, so there's no comments on it.

1027
01:53:09,140 --> 01:53:16,880
All right, we're going to take a 15 minute break and when we come back, we are going to start

1028
01:53:16,880 --> 01:53:17,480
water.

1029
01:53:18,520 --> 01:53:19,080
Thank you.

1030
02:12:25,020 --> 02:12:34,840
On to water infrastructure, we will start with a staff report and then I understand applicant also has a staff report on water, et cetera.

1031
02:12:35,540 --> 02:12:38,720
Okay, so we'll start with our staff report, please.

1032
02:12:39,720 --> 02:12:41,740
Thank you Madam Mayor and members of the council.

1033
02:12:42,580 --> 02:12:49,020
The evening we are now ready to talk about the water topic, which I know a lot of people have been very interested in.

1034
02:12:49,020 --> 02:12:58,100
And with us this evening, it's our team from ESA and I'd like to introduce Todd Gordon, who will be making this slide presentation here.

1035
02:12:58,540 --> 02:13:02,060
And then the full team is available for questions as well.

1036
02:13:02,620 --> 02:13:07,220
And then as mentioned, BDI, the applicant will also have a presentation following.

1037
02:13:09,530 --> 02:13:10,930
With further ado, it's Todd.

1038
02:13:12,350 --> 02:13:13,770
Good evening, everybody.

1039
02:13:15,650 --> 02:13:19,830
Before discussing the water supply findings, I'd like to briefly explain these.

1040
02:13:19,830 --> 02:13:31,150
Could you speak up just short of sorry before discussing the water supply findings I'd like to briefly explain the scope of this presentation and the sources of information used in the EIR

1041
02:13:31,150 --> 02:13:49,810
The analysis is based on the development program proposed by the applicant for his being development incorporated and the supporting technical studies prepared for the project

1042
02:13:49,810 --> 02:13:57,370
supply reliability, under normal and dry your conditions, that WSA was reviewed and approved

1043
02:13:57,370 --> 02:13:58,530
by cow water.

1044
02:14:00,130 --> 02:14:05,270
BKF engineers prepared the infrastructure report which addresses the proposed water, waste

1045
02:14:05,270 --> 02:14:10,850
water, and recycled water infrastructure, including conceptual infrastructure planning and

1046
02:14:10,850 --> 02:14:11,310
phasing.

1047
02:14:12,170 --> 02:14:19,270
ESA incorporated the relevant information from those documents into the EIR and to evaluate

1048
02:14:19,270 --> 02:14:25,230
the potential environmental impacts associated with water supply. Today's presentation focuses

1049
02:14:25,230 --> 02:14:31,390
on explaining that EIR's water supply analysis and conclusions, representatives of the applicant

1050
02:14:31,390 --> 02:14:38,550
and the technical teams are also available to respond to more questions that come up tonight

1051
02:14:38,550 --> 02:14:43,390
and their respective analysis, assumptions and proposed infrastructure.

1052
02:14:43,390 --> 02:14:43,730
Sure.

1053
02:14:48,080 --> 02:14:48,740
Oh, sorry.

1054
02:14:49,420 --> 02:14:55,820
Intel, if you could advance to slide number four, are you ready to work number four?

1055
02:14:59,700 --> 02:14:59,980
Yeah, we can.

1056
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:24,960
Go to the, yeah, that one's good. Thank you. I'll walk through the water supply components of the proposed bail-in-specific plan, including projected water demands, water supply availability, and reliability, the proposed water recycling facility, and infrastructure and approvals needed to serve the development. I'll also discuss how the proposed water supply approach addresses measure JJ.

1057
02:15:25,860 --> 02:15:30,740
The City of Brisbane's existing water supply is not sufficient to serve the proposed

1058
02:15:30,740 --> 02:15:36,000
bail-ins development in addition to its other planned demands. Under the proposed

1059
02:15:36,000 --> 02:15:41,120
arrangement, cow water would become the water provider for the bail-ins, baby, and Sierra

1060
02:15:41,120 --> 02:15:46,880
Point areas through an expansion of its south San Francisco district service area.

1061
02:15:47,740 --> 02:15:54,000
Potable water would primarily come from the SFPUC regional water system, while a proposed water

1062
02:15:54,000 --> 02:16:00,440
recycling facility within the baylands would supply recycled water for non-potable uses,

1063
02:16:00,980 --> 02:16:06,820
reducing the project's demand for potable water. This arrangement would also make the water

1064
02:16:06,820 --> 02:16:12,820
currently supplied by Brisbane to see a point available for other feature uses within the city.

1065
02:16:15,900 --> 02:16:16,560
Next slide, please.

1066
02:16:19,920 --> 02:16:25,320
At full buildout, the baylands is projected to require approximately 1,611

1067
02:16:25,320 --> 02:16:32,540
an acre-feet of water annually of this approximately 71% of the demand would be met through

1068
02:16:32,540 --> 02:16:38,220
potable water supplies with the remaining 29% supplied by recycled water.

1069
02:16:39,220 --> 02:16:43,860
The use of recycled water would reduce the amount of potable water required to serve the

1070
02:16:43,860 --> 02:16:50,240
development. The WSA incorporates these projected demands into its evaluation of water supply

1071
02:16:50,240 --> 02:16:53,940
availability and reliability through 2045.

1072
02:16:55,660 --> 02:16:56,060
Next slide.

1073
02:17:00,150 --> 02:17:13,690
The water supply assessment evaluates the availability of water supplies to serve the baylands and other projected development through 2045, including under normal year, single dry year and multiple dry year conditions.

1074
02:17:14,770 --> 02:17:21,450
Under normal year conditions, the assessment concludes that sufficient water supplies would be available to meet projected demands.

1075
02:17:21,450 --> 02:17:28,870
Under drought conditions, the WSA identifies potential supply shortfalls across cow waters

1076
02:17:28,870 --> 02:17:34,470
peninsula districts. Importantly, these potential shortages could occur with or without

1077
02:17:34,470 --> 02:17:40,110
the bail-ins development and reflect broader regional water supply reliability challenges.

1078
02:17:42,360 --> 02:17:48,120
During water shortages, cow water would implement its water shortage contingency plan, which

1079
02:17:48,120 --> 02:17:52,880
establishes demand reduction measures and other actions to address shortages.

1080
02:17:53,960 --> 02:17:58,860
These measures would apply to Bayland's customers in the same manner as existing customers.

1081
02:18:00,420 --> 02:18:06,020
Additionally, cowwaters development offset program would require the project to offset its additional

1082
02:18:06,020 --> 02:18:14,160
putable water demand through payment of applicable fees. Based on the WSA and supporting analysis,

1083
02:18:14,160 --> 02:18:19,220
The final EIR concludes the impact utility one would be less than significant.

1084
02:18:21,120 --> 02:18:21,600
Next slide.

1085
02:18:24,660 --> 02:18:29,360
The specific plan also includes the construction of a water recycling facility with the

1086
02:18:29,360 --> 02:18:32,840
treatment capacity of approximately 1 million gallons per day.

1087
02:18:33,920 --> 02:18:38,260
The facility would be located within the baylands and would be owned and operated by cow

1088
02:18:38,260 --> 02:18:38,720
water.

1089
02:18:39,980 --> 02:18:45,780
The WRF would provide recycled water for non-potable uses, reducing the projects the man

1090
02:18:45,780 --> 02:18:46,920
for potable water.

1091
02:18:47,740 --> 02:18:53,880
At full buildout approximately 0.5T million gallons a day of recycled water would serve

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02:18:53,880 --> 02:19:00,060
bail-ins uses, including landscape irrigation, industrial cooling, and non-residential

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02:19:00,060 --> 02:19:00,860
toilet flushing.

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02:19:01,940 --> 02:19:06,760
The facility is also planned to provide recycled water to customers and South San Francisco

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02:19:06,760 --> 02:19:12,960
with up to approximately 0.43 million gallons a day available for delivery outside the

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02:19:12,960 --> 02:19:13,520
bail-ins.

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02:19:13,520 --> 02:19:21,300
The specific plan calls for the water recycling facility to be constructed concurrently with phase 1 development.

1098
02:19:22,240 --> 02:19:30,380
However, the water supply assessment conservatively assumes that the facility would not begin providing recycled water until phase 2.

1099
02:19:31,080 --> 02:19:38,500
Disapproach accounts for the possibility that recycled water production may not be available during the earliest stages of development.

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02:19:39,260 --> 02:19:45,040
Overall, the WRF is an important component of the project's water supply strategy, reducing

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02:19:45,040 --> 02:19:50,360
potable water demand within the baylands, while also providing a potential recycled water

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02:19:50,360 --> 02:19:52,000
supply for South San Francisco.

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02:19:53,520 --> 02:19:54,020
Next slide.

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02:19:56,690 --> 02:20:01,550
This slide illustrates the water supply review and approval process, beginning with the initial

1105
02:20:01,550 --> 02:20:05,810
application and continuing through subsequent development approvals.

1106
02:20:05,810 --> 02:20:14,770
The first step is the water supply assessment which was completed in January 2025, in accordance with Senate Bill 610.

1107
02:20:15,970 --> 02:20:28,930
The WSA evaluates projected water demands and the availability of water supplies under normal year, single dry year, and multiple dry year conditions through 245.

1108
02:20:29,710 --> 02:20:33,710
It also identifies and its structure needed to serve the proposed development.

1109
02:20:34,890 --> 02:20:40,750
The second step is the best specific plan in EIR review, which is where we are today.

1110
02:20:41,510 --> 02:20:48,370
The final EIR incorporates the WSA and evaluates water supply availability, reliability,

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02:20:49,010 --> 02:20:50,750
and potential environmental impacts.

1112
02:20:51,530 --> 02:20:57,570
However, certification of the EIR and approval of the specific plan would not by themselves

1113
02:20:57,570 --> 02:21:00,450
establish a binding water service agreement.

1114
02:21:01,630 --> 02:21:06,890
The third step occurs during the tentative maps approval process,

1115
02:21:07,490 --> 02:21:12,630
Senate Bill 221 requires written verification of sufficient water supplies

1116
02:21:12,630 --> 02:21:15,510
for qualifying residential subdivisions,

1117
02:21:16,030 --> 02:21:19,390
which is generally those involving more than 500 dwelling units.

1118
02:21:20,930 --> 02:21:22,990
For tentative maps that meet this threshold,

1119
02:21:23,550 --> 02:21:27,710
the city must make the required water supply findings before approving the map.

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02:21:27,710 --> 02:21:35,810
This provides an additional opportunity to confirm that adequate water supplies would be available as development moves forward.

1121
02:21:37,330 --> 02:21:46,610
The final stage addresses the water service requirements that must be satisfied as a project proceeds towards site development and building permits.

1122
02:21:48,110 --> 02:21:55,490
Under Measure J.J., a reliable water supply approved by the city must be secured before site development.

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02:21:55,490 --> 02:22:01,530
But this requirement is separate from the environmental review process and must be satisfied

1124
02:22:01,530 --> 02:22:03,930
before site development can proceed.

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02:22:05,150 --> 02:22:12,170
Under Measure J.J., a reliable, oh sorry, the Brisbane Municipal Code also establishes

1126
02:22:12,170 --> 02:22:15,310
a water service requirements associated with building permits.

1127
02:22:16,610 --> 02:22:21,330
Cal Water has already issued a will serve letter indicating it's intent to provide water

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02:22:21,330 --> 02:22:22,550
service to the project.

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02:22:22,550 --> 02:22:29,970
However, binding water-service agreements and additional regulatory approvals would still be necessary, including a

1130
02:22:30,000 --> 02:22:48,460
Revolves associated with cow water service area expansion. Overall, this timeline demonstrates that water supply is evaluated during the environmental review process with additional verification agreements and approvals required as a project proceeds towards development.

1131
02:22:49,420 --> 02:22:50,700
Next slide.

1132
02:22:53,890 --> 02:22:58,510
The proposed development would require new potable and recycled water infrastructure to serve

1133
02:22:58,510 --> 02:22:59,350
the baylands.

1134
02:23:00,330 --> 02:23:04,850
Potable water would be delivered through new transmission and distribution pipelines connected

1135
02:23:04,850 --> 02:23:09,030
to the existing SFPC regional water system.

1136
02:23:10,270 --> 02:23:16,330
The proposed infrastructure also includes approximately 3.16 million gallons of potable water

1137
02:23:16,330 --> 02:23:23,090
storage capacity, along with pumping facilities and associated equipment to maintain adequate

1138
02:23:23,090 --> 02:23:25,190
water pressure and fire protection.

1139
02:23:26,510 --> 02:23:31,190
A separate recycled water distribution system would deliver water from the proposed water

1140
02:23:31,190 --> 02:23:35,730
recycling facility to non-potable uses throughout the development.

1141
02:23:36,790 --> 02:23:41,090
Infrastructure would be constructed in phases to correspond with the timing and location

1142
02:23:41,090 --> 02:23:47,430
development. This approach would allow water facilities to be installed as needed while ensuring

1143
02:23:47,430 --> 02:23:52,790
adequate service capacity is available before individual development phases proceed.

1144
02:23:54,170 --> 02:23:58,830
Consisting with Measure JJ, the developer would be responsible for funding and constructing

1145
02:23:58,830 --> 02:24:04,010
the water infrastructure necessary to serve the project. Next slide.

1146
02:24:07,310 --> 02:24:08,750
The water supply assessment

1147
02:24:08,750 --> 02:24:13,650
It concludes that sufficient supplies would be available to meet protected demands through

1148
02:24:13,650 --> 02:24:16,210
2045 under normal year conditions.

1149
02:24:17,330 --> 02:24:20,850
Although potential shortages are identified during drought conditions,

1150
02:24:21,530 --> 02:24:26,330
cow waters water shortage contingency plan provides a framework for managing those shortages.

1151
02:24:27,530 --> 02:24:32,030
The proposed water recycling facility would also reduce potable water demand

1152
02:24:32,030 --> 02:24:37,190
and provide recycled water to the balans and South San Francisco customers.

1153
02:24:38,490 --> 02:24:44,390
Based on the WSA and supporting analysis, the final EIR concludes that the water supply

1154
02:24:44,390 --> 02:24:46,210
impacts will be less than significant.

1155
02:24:47,790 --> 02:24:51,250
Importantly, the requirements on Measure JJA remain in place.

1156
02:24:51,890 --> 02:24:56,670
A reliable water supply approved by the city must be secured before site development

1157
02:24:56,670 --> 02:24:57,650
can proceed.

1158
02:24:59,030 --> 02:25:04,890
The necessary agreements and regulatory approvals would therefore need to be completed as

1159
02:25:04,890 --> 02:25:10,830
project used for implementation. Overall, the water supply analysis supports the proposed

1160
02:25:10,830 --> 02:25:15,850
specific plan, while Measure JJ provides an additional requirement to ensure that reliable

1161
02:25:15,850 --> 02:25:18,310
water supplies are secured before development.

1162
02:25:21,300 --> 02:25:22,220
That's all I have.

1163
02:25:24,740 --> 02:25:25,860
Okay, if we have an African

1164
02:25:25,860 --> 02:25:27,680
presentation as well.

1165
02:25:35,730 --> 02:25:39,310
Good evening Mayor, City Council members. I'm Katie Lok Sunday with the

1166
02:25:39,310 --> 02:25:44,450
Baylands team. I'll just give it a minute for our slides to get queued up

1167
02:25:57,090 --> 02:25:58,170
while we're bringing those

1168
02:25:58,170 --> 02:26:04,090
can go ahead and talk a little bit about reliable water supplies. So water infrastructure in the

1169
02:26:04,090 --> 02:26:08,750
Bayland specific plan, as you just heard from staff was designed around compliance with measure

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02:26:08,750 --> 02:26:14,130
J.J. That includes conservation efforts that are consistent with the sustainability framework,

1171
02:26:14,710 --> 02:26:19,890
as well as a reliable water supply and protection from future flooding and sea level rise.

1172
02:26:20,050 --> 02:26:21,370
If we go to the next slide, please,

1173
02:26:24,630 --> 02:26:28,190
thank you. We'd like to start our presentation today

1174
02:26:28,190 --> 02:26:34,150
by talking about the water supply for the balans. Again, you just heard some of this, but

1175
02:26:34,150 --> 02:26:38,930
I will reiterate the project has a comprehensive water supply assessment that has been evaluated

1176
02:26:38,930 --> 02:26:44,810
and approved by a California water service or cow water, who is identified as the water provider

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02:26:44,810 --> 02:26:58,170
for the balans. The project has that water supply assessment, which also anticipates that the

1178
02:26:58,170 --> 02:27:07,250
But this additional potable water demand will be offset through investments in water supply and conservation, as well as the new water recycling facility, which was just mentioned.

1179
02:27:08,270 --> 02:27:19,530
The water recycling facility will reduce potable water consumption and the facility will still provide recycled water to other consumers in the region, contributing to a more resilient regional water system.

1180
02:27:19,530 --> 02:27:21,370
if we go to the next slide please.

1181
02:27:25,040 --> 02:27:28,040
So water recycling is of course a critical strategy for reducing

1182
02:27:28,040 --> 02:27:32,740
potable water demand. These facilities work by taking wastewater and treating it with a series

1183
02:27:32,740 --> 02:27:38,800
of processes to filter and disinfect the water before distributing it to non-potable uses.

1184
02:27:39,560 --> 02:27:44,680
The treated water from the facility would be used for outdoor irrigation and designated indoor

1185
02:27:44,680 --> 02:27:51,180
purple pipe uses such as toilet flushing in commercial buildings. And as you can see on the slide,

1186
02:27:51,180 --> 02:27:56,340
purple pipe is used to designate reclaimed water and separate it from potable water.

1187
02:27:58,220 --> 02:27:58,520
Next slide.

1188
02:28:00,810 --> 02:28:03,570
Every section of the specific plan has been designed

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02:28:03,570 --> 02:28:08,690
as an integrated system in compliance with the principles of the sustainability framework for

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02:28:08,690 --> 02:28:15,450
the valence. Chapter 4 of the specific plan outlines the development standards that will ensure

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02:28:15,450 --> 02:28:21,390
the project uses water efficiently and addresses impacts related to flooding, wetlands and storm

1192
02:28:21,390 --> 02:28:26,050
water. You can see these development standards on the slide, but they range from building

1193
02:28:26,050 --> 02:28:32,030
level standards to reduce water consumption to project-wide systems like the installation

1194
02:28:32,030 --> 02:28:36,110
of a network of green infrastructure for storm water management.

1195
02:28:39,350 --> 02:28:39,730
Next slide.

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02:28:42,650 --> 02:28:46,890
The balens is of course part of a larger watershed that carries runoff from surrounding

1197
02:28:46,890 --> 02:28:51,590
hillsides through the property and ultimately to San Francisco Bay. The specific plan

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02:28:51,590 --> 02:28:56,750
proposes substantial improvements to the existing drainage system, including increasing the

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02:28:56,750 --> 02:29:01,350
capacity of key channels and culverts and the construction of new green infrastructure

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02:29:01,350 --> 02:29:07,570
and stormwater detention. Some of the green infrastructure includes bioswales, rain gardens,

1201
02:29:07,970 --> 02:29:12,530
wetlands, and landscapes drainage areas which will capture and filter stormwater.

1202
02:29:13,370 --> 02:29:19,970
A key feature of this management strategy is the stormwater detention area. This area provides critical

1203
02:29:19,970 --> 02:29:26,250
storage for stormwater runoff while also incorporating ecological strategies to improve water quality.

1204
02:29:27,290 --> 02:29:32,550
The detention basin is also a critical connection for stormwater to flow through visitation

1205
02:29:32,550 --> 02:29:38,650
creek and into San Francisco Bay. And this is also one of the reasons we are opposed to setting

1206
02:29:38,650 --> 02:29:44,550
aside 45 acres of available area for a future high-speed rail light maintenance facility.

1207
02:29:44,550 --> 02:29:54,450
Not only is that planned in consistent with measure JJ, but setting aside those 45 acres would mean cutting the stormwater detention area nearly in half.

1208
02:29:55,050 --> 02:29:59,970
As you can see on this slide, the BDI proposed specific plan included a 13.8.

1209
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:10,080
Acre, detention area, but these staff proposed specific plan only includes a 7.2 acre detention area, and that is to accommodate the LMS area.

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02:30:10,860 --> 02:30:18,240
So we ask that the council consider allowing the larger detention area to remain so we can ensure storm water is properly managed at the baylands.

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02:30:20,370 --> 02:30:30,690
These comprehensive storm water management strategies, along with the projects for liable water supply, ambitious conservation commitments and flood protection measures establish a clear path

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02:30:30,690 --> 02:30:36,050
Free Water Smart Project that complies with Measure JJ and the Sustainability Framework.

1213
02:30:36,330 --> 02:30:36,950
Thank you.

1214
02:30:38,880 --> 02:30:39,100
Okay.

1215
02:30:39,620 --> 02:30:40,820
Thank you very much.

1216
02:30:43,040 --> 02:30:44,920
We go on to Council Questions.

1217
02:30:45,900 --> 02:30:48,060
Let us start with Council Member O'Connell.

1218
02:30:50,180 --> 02:30:51,280
Thank you.

1219
02:30:55,770 --> 02:30:56,450
So,

1220
02:30:58,480 --> 02:31:02,780
in Measure JJ, we ask that there's a reliable water supply.

1221
02:31:02,780 --> 02:31:17,320
And this is saying that we've got less than 20 years reliable water supply for this plan with Cal Water, just to 2045, so 19 years from today.

1222
02:31:18,840 --> 02:31:31,880
And I'm curious as to if that's long enough to have a reliable water supply when they're not even sure they'll be building the

1223
02:31:31,880 --> 02:31:41,180
the water recycling facility for 20 years so wouldn't their guarantee be gone from

1224
02:31:41,180 --> 02:31:47,060
the water supply even before they build the recycling facility

1225
02:31:50,520 --> 02:31:51,480
potentially.

1226
02:31:54,540 --> 02:32:03,620
So at least speak to the part of the 20 years which is, it's an aspect of state law so

1227
02:32:03,620 --> 02:32:10,640
state law water code section 10910910 requires the water supply assessment to buy the water supply

1228
02:32:10,640 --> 02:32:18,300
over that 20 year time horizon. So that's why the 2045 number is stated and that's really

1229
02:32:18,760 --> 02:32:25,220
entirely the reason. There are probably others here who can speak beyond that but that is why

1230
02:32:25,220 --> 02:32:27,220
that 20 year horizon is provided.

1231
02:32:29,490 --> 02:32:30,690
Thank you.

1232
02:32:33,610 --> 02:32:36,090
Okay Mayor Procham Davis,

1233
02:32:49,820 --> 02:32:50,520
the proposed

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02:32:50,520 --> 02:32:57,040
arrangement transfers the Baylands, BD and Sierra Point from the city's water service areas

1235
02:32:57,040 --> 02:33:03,660
to cow water with the intention of freeing up existing city water supply for other areas of

1236
02:33:03,660 --> 02:33:11,920
Brisbane from Sierra Point. What is there anything that guarantees that the water currently

1237
02:33:11,920 --> 02:33:17,140
allocated to Sierra Point will become available to support the city, the city's other general

1238
02:33:17,140 --> 02:33:24,600
is there anything that does that just happen? Or does there need to be something in writing?

1239
02:33:26,020 --> 02:33:34,940
I'm happy to answer that. So essentially you have your supply guarantee, the maximum amount

1240
02:33:34,940 --> 02:33:44,160
under agreement with Moscow that we would be able to have. That's what that is. So essentially,

1241
02:33:44,740 --> 02:33:51,680
If we transfer this, if this is what happens with this process, we're for Sierra Point

1242
02:33:51,680 --> 02:33:52,540
these other areas,

1243
02:33:54,580 --> 02:33:56,680
we would not be transferring our guarantees.

1244
02:33:57,520 --> 02:34:02,120
It would just be that service area would be taken over by another entity that has the

1245
02:34:02,120 --> 02:34:06,380
possible water necessary to serve it.

1246
02:34:06,940 --> 02:34:12,180
So essentially, that stays with the city, with our utility district, it does not get

1247
02:34:12,180 --> 02:34:22,360
transitions part of this boundary area. So then would you be able to accommodate additional

1248
02:34:22,360 --> 02:34:29,440
growth essentially to the extent of how Sierra Point, how much Sierra Point currently is

1249
02:34:29,440 --> 02:34:36,480
is right now? Yes, technically that would be available for any number of use. Yeah, that water

1250
02:34:36,480 --> 02:34:42,160
allocation would be available to the city to decide how they want to utilize it. I would

1251
02:34:42,160 --> 02:34:49,020
just point that I don't know if the reason for the zero point transfer is to open up additional

1252
02:34:49,020 --> 02:34:54,940
guarantees. Certainly that is a product of that transition, but I don't know if that was

1253
02:34:54,940 --> 02:35:02,960
the driving factor behind that change. Do you have any sense of like what percentage overall

1254
02:35:02,960 --> 02:35:06,760
zero point is within the city's water alignment?

1255
02:35:15,910 --> 02:35:19,150
It doesn't have to be perfect. I know it was

1256
02:35:19,150 --> 02:35:22,270
one second I think I was I pulled some of this off.

1257
02:35:32,360 --> 02:35:34,980
I don't have the number right now, but I can

1258
02:35:34,980 --> 02:35:38,220
provide that. Okay. It's just more out of curiosity.

1259
02:35:40,380 --> 02:35:45,300
I can't remember Lens. Yeah. If I could just

1260
02:35:45,300 --> 02:35:55,480
just add a quick ask to council member Davis's questions if we can get fiscal analysis of what

1261
02:35:57,500 --> 02:36:05,200
impacts that would be on the city's water service and the last thing, you know, if we

1262
02:36:05,200 --> 02:36:10,460
remove Sierra Point, the last thing we want to do is raise water rates for everybody else,

1263
02:36:10,700 --> 02:36:17,020
if that was out of our customer around. So if we can get that fiscal analysis, that would

1264
02:36:17,020 --> 02:36:25,460
be great. And so in regards to the non-binding letter of understanding, so when did this

1265
02:36:25,460 --> 02:36:29,080
and the other parties signed that letter.

1266
02:36:39,460 --> 02:36:40,180
Well, they're pulling that up.

1267
02:36:40,360 --> 02:36:42,500
I do want to just make a reference.

1268
02:36:42,700 --> 02:36:47,600
I did find my answer about 9.9% of our overall

1269
02:36:47,600 --> 02:36:50,120
supply guarantee is associated with CR point.

1270
02:36:50,220 --> 02:36:51,380
I was going to guess 10.

1271
02:36:59,860 --> 02:37:02,900
Was the question about the will serve letter or

1272
02:37:02,900 --> 02:37:03,860
a different agreement?

1273
02:37:03,860 --> 02:37:07,120
It is that, you know, there's the parties that

1274
02:37:07,120 --> 02:37:09,140
they all signed a non-binding letter,

1275
02:37:09,140 --> 02:37:15,260
understanding. So when was that? And also if that letter is still current.

1276
02:37:22,490 --> 02:37:23,710
You looking at the EIR?

1277
02:37:24,210 --> 02:37:26,850
I'm just, yeah, I mean it's in the staff report.

1278
02:37:30,000 --> 02:37:36,960
See, background, right, it's in the under background, second paragraph, last sentence, Kalwar,

1279
02:37:37,180 --> 02:37:43,020
city, the city, Bayshore, sanitary district and valence development, east, assigned a non-binding

1280
02:37:43,020 --> 02:37:46,880
letter of understanding, establishing a framework for this arrangement.

1281
02:37:56,280 --> 02:38:02,580
Yeah, and I see that's one of the reference documents in the EIR. Let me pull up the date for you.

1282
02:38:02,660 --> 02:38:04,040
Okay. It was 2024.

1283
02:38:04,040 --> 02:38:10,500
or 2024. Okay, is there a do date on that? Is it still current or did it expire?

1284
02:38:12,610 --> 02:38:12,730
I don't

1285
02:38:12,730 --> 02:38:18,010
know that we have the letter right here. Let me have to go back to the reference file for

1286
02:38:18,010 --> 02:38:23,150
that. So give us one second to figure that out. Okay, any of the parties that are in the room

1287
02:38:23,150 --> 02:38:29,370
can they answer that question? It's the current letter is still current. No, I posit you are taxing

1288
02:38:29,370 --> 02:38:36,830
our memories here. But we did so I made the I believe it was March of 2024 and as far as I know

1289
02:38:36,830 --> 02:38:41,970
and but we'll double check. I believe it's still active. All right. All right. Thank you.

1290
02:38:43,570 --> 02:38:44,670
Council member Kern.

1291
02:38:46,680 --> 02:38:52,300
Thank you Madam Mayor. So a question from the staff report which is page seven

1292
02:38:52,300 --> 02:38:58,420
out of ten or nine out of one eighty nine not sure which we're going by. Your table is beautiful on this page

1293
02:38:58,420 --> 02:39:03,900
I appreciate that. My question is, well, first of all, let me say, the city treats the first

1294
02:39:03,900 --> 02:39:08,360
building permit as site development under JJ and it says we have to have a water agreement

1295
02:39:08,360 --> 02:39:15,020
by that point in time. I'm just curious, what happens if we're in the middle of colliding

1296
02:39:15,020 --> 02:39:21,940
grading infrastructure development and I'm curious what our legal remedies would be if at that

1297
02:39:21,940 --> 02:39:28,680
time Cal Water did not execute an agreement, and they are the ones who did not execute.

1298
02:39:29,280 --> 02:39:30,680
What would we do in that situation?

1299
02:39:32,340 --> 02:39:37,140
Hopefully, we wouldn't wait for the very last day, but I could get what it would actually

1300
02:39:37,140 --> 02:39:43,660
be called to the applicant to secure alternative water rights in order to continue with

1301
02:39:43,660 --> 02:39:44,260
the development.

1302
02:39:45,280 --> 02:39:48,660
So, they can speak to some of their contingency plans as well.

1303
02:39:56,220 --> 02:40:06,340
Again, council members, as I mentioned earlier, we do have existing SFPUC retail water and that

1304
02:40:06,340 --> 02:40:13,620
has been defined as enough water to get us through remediation and construction phase.

1305
02:40:15,440 --> 02:40:21,280
So we wouldn't necessarily be going belly up, but we also wouldn't, we wouldn't move forward

1306
02:40:21,280 --> 02:40:23,820
until we had a reliable water supply.

1307
02:40:25,860 --> 02:40:30,300
So yeah, it's an excellent question.

1308
02:40:30,580 --> 02:40:33,700
But I think the realities of how these,

1309
02:40:34,040 --> 02:40:36,180
once you're actually in the field

1310
02:40:36,180 --> 02:40:38,360
and your under construction, you need to make sure

1311
02:40:38,360 --> 02:40:40,060
that you've got those will serve letters

1312
02:40:40,060 --> 02:40:42,080
and you have your water supply set up.

1313
02:40:42,160 --> 02:40:44,100
But in terms of your question, which

1314
02:40:44,100 --> 02:40:45,960
is what happens if you're in the middle of remediation,

1315
02:40:46,020 --> 02:40:48,480
we do have water for remediation and construction

1316
02:40:48,480 --> 02:41:01,960
are existing water, and then we will likely have our green with cow water hammered out

1317
02:41:01,960 --> 02:41:05,160
weight before our first building permit.

1318
02:41:05,900 --> 02:41:06,160
Hopefully.

1319
02:41:06,340 --> 02:41:07,900
Thank you.

1320
02:41:08,080 --> 02:41:08,600
Okay.

1321
02:41:08,880 --> 02:41:10,500
Thank you.

1322
02:41:11,320 --> 02:41:14,380
A question maybe for moths and I don't know if we have an answer.

1323
02:41:14,380 --> 02:41:22,200
So if we remove customers from Sierra Point, and it's mentioned that potentially there might

1324
02:41:22,200 --> 02:41:30,080
be enough water to service other areas in the city, do we risk having our Bosca allocation

1325
02:41:30,080 --> 02:41:30,980
reduced?

1326
02:41:33,720 --> 02:41:39,760
Not under current situations, there's many jurisdictions that have unused supply guarantees

1327
02:41:39,760 --> 02:41:43,740
that have been sitting in their portfolios for numbers of years.

1328
02:41:43,740 --> 02:41:49,720
and there's been no precedence with that being removed, but this is a little different situation

1329
02:41:49,720 --> 02:41:56,040
because those water rights have been there for years. This would be us making a dramatic change,

1330
02:41:56,440 --> 02:42:07,400
a reduction of at least 9-10%. I can double check, but my understanding is that it would not impact

1331
02:42:07,400 --> 02:42:08,680
are supply guarantee?

1332
02:42:09,460 --> 02:42:13,380
And is that something you ask them or is that an assumption that you're making?

1333
02:42:14,300 --> 02:42:20,880
That is, that is why we're seeing the, this by guarantees and how those function

1334
02:42:20,880 --> 02:42:27,140
within Bosca rights, but I can certainly check with our representative and confirm with

1335
02:42:27,140 --> 02:42:28,100
the Executive Director.

1336
02:42:29,220 --> 02:42:29,240
Okay.

1337
02:42:29,240 --> 02:42:29,720
Thank you.

1338
02:42:29,900 --> 02:42:31,840
I'd appreciate follow-up on that.

1339
02:42:33,380 --> 02:42:35,960
Another round of questions, starting with Council Member Lens.

1340
02:42:35,960 --> 02:42:48,260
All right, so let's see. Okay, the water supply assessment, you had mentioned the consultant

1341
02:42:48,260 --> 02:42:55,160
that created that. Do you mind repeating who the consultant was? It was actually it was

1342
02:42:55,160 --> 02:43:03,000
the EKI prepared it for cold water for cold water. Okay, so it wasn't the developer had hired

1343
02:43:03,000 --> 02:43:03,800
It was okay.

1344
02:43:03,900 --> 02:43:04,280
Cal matter.

1345
02:43:04,800 --> 02:43:05,260
That's correct.

1346
02:43:05,300 --> 02:43:10,760
The water agency under the under water launched the agency's responsibility to prepare the

1347
02:43:10,760 --> 02:43:13,020
plan and they hired EKI to do that.

1348
02:43:13,040 --> 02:43:13,380
Okay.

1349
02:43:13,540 --> 02:43:15,980
And then the city peer reviewed the plan.

1350
02:43:16,720 --> 02:43:22,400
The ESA that our environmental consultant did review it in connection with the preparation

1351
02:43:22,400 --> 02:43:25,160
of the utilities and water analysis and the EIR.

1352
02:43:25,300 --> 02:43:25,720
That's correct.

1353
02:43:25,900 --> 02:43:26,380
Okay.

1354
02:43:26,560 --> 02:43:31,980
So in the document it talks about the water supply assessment assumes the water recycling

1355
02:43:31,980 --> 02:43:41,100
facility will not operate until phase two, and that contradicts the specific plan. So if you

1356
02:43:41,100 --> 02:43:45,780
want to explain that and what are the potential ramifications for this position?

1357
02:43:46,460 --> 02:43:50,320
Sure, and I think Todd spoke a little bit about that during his presentation, so I don't

1358
02:43:50,320 --> 02:43:52,640
know if you want to start with the response there.

1359
02:43:53,040 --> 02:44:00,280
Yeah, I think that's basically a conservative approach, so the ability to serve the

1360
02:44:00,280 --> 02:44:07,300
is not contingent on the recycled water facility being operational at that time, so it's not

1361
02:44:07,300 --> 02:44:13,380
relying on the recycled water to be able to provide you know, put a little water to the development.

1362
02:44:18,820 --> 02:44:25,220
We'll come back, you know, further questions and regards to the type of facility. All right, thank you.

1363
02:44:25,400 --> 02:44:26,240
Your program, Davis?

1364
02:44:31,000 --> 02:44:34,980
So the finding that the billions will not create a net increase in water demand

1365
02:44:34,980 --> 02:44:41,160
relies on cow water's development offset program. What demand reduction measures are expected

1366
02:44:41,160 --> 02:44:47,220
to result from the offset payments beyond a water recycling facility or is there anything?

1367
02:44:53,640 --> 02:44:59,960
Yes, I'd actually like to introduce our project lead from cow water, Scott Wagner, who

1368
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:07,500
Um, can tell you and talk to you a little bit more about the development offset fee and how that is actually amazing and and used.

1369
02:45:08,440 --> 02:45:09,920
Scott, please.

1370
02:45:14,940 --> 02:45:15,480
Good evening.

1371
02:45:15,880 --> 02:45:20,640
Good evening, Scott Wagner and the Director of Water Resources for California Water Service.

1372
02:45:20,640 --> 02:45:26,080
Scott Water was directly involved in the water supply assessment in looking at the Bayland specific plan.

1373
02:45:27,280 --> 02:45:33,800
The intent, as was discussed, was the first established that there would be enough portable

1374
02:45:33,800 --> 02:45:37,600
water that cow water could provide for the development.

1375
02:45:38,100 --> 02:45:43,280
And so we took a very conservative approach to say, can we meet the portable concerns?

1376
02:45:43,980 --> 02:45:49,960
And then we will look at the recycled water component to be able to reduce portable demands

1377
02:45:49,960 --> 02:45:51,580
when it comes online.

1378
02:45:51,580 --> 02:45:58,860
We are primarily served by the SIPUC in terms of the water that we receive similar to Brisbane.

1379
02:45:59,440 --> 02:46:09,640
And the intent is that the individual supply guarantee that cow water has would be able to cover the additional demands of the Bayland specific plan.

1380
02:46:10,100 --> 02:46:18,040
We recognize that the SIPUC has a water availability and impacts potentially in a drought.

1381
02:46:18,040 --> 02:46:22,840
and so we have established through the California Public Utilities Commission,

1382
02:46:23,440 --> 02:46:32,180
a development offset fee, which is designed to create and generate funding to create additional

1383
02:46:32,180 --> 02:46:38,560
supply sources for the region. And that is the intent of that. So the intent for this

1384
02:46:38,560 --> 02:46:46,140
development is the recycled water to continue to help and reduce portable demands. We also have

1385
02:46:46,140 --> 02:46:53,300
conservation programs that would be instituted and utilized to continue to help affect

1386
02:46:53,300 --> 02:46:55,300
demands into the future.

1387
02:46:56,660 --> 02:46:56,720
Okay.

1388
02:46:59,940 --> 02:47:00,320
All right.

1389
02:47:00,460 --> 02:47:02,160
Do we move on to Council Member O'Connell?

1390
02:47:04,880 --> 02:47:12,340
Do we know what the effect of changing water service suppliers would be on the tenants and users

1391
02:47:12,340 --> 02:47:21,300
out at zero point, being a concerned user of water at zero point and having quite large bills

1392
02:47:21,300 --> 02:47:29,020
for a very small facility. I would like to know what the intended consequences of changing

1393
02:47:29,020 --> 02:47:32,480
to Cal Water Reprivate Supplier would be.

1394
02:47:38,170 --> 02:47:44,690
Certainly, there would be a change in cost. Cal Water

1395
02:47:44,690 --> 02:47:50,670
as their own rates and fees and we have ours based on our costs and overhead, so there would

1396
02:47:50,670 --> 02:47:53,090
be a change, a little bit of a change there.

1397
02:47:54,670 --> 02:47:59,270
Operationally, it's some minimal changes, there's a pressure difference between our two different

1398
02:47:59,270 --> 02:48:05,570
systems, but again, those are relatively minor things to work out.

1399
02:48:07,210 --> 02:48:09,650
I don't know if anybody else has anything else to share.

1400
02:48:11,090 --> 02:48:19,910
as a follow-up isn't it quite usual that private water suppliers can have rates that are

1401
02:48:19,910 --> 02:48:26,890
much different than municipal water suppliers because they need to pay investors.

1402
02:48:29,880 --> 02:48:35,780
It's possible. I have looked closely at the rates to see what the difference is at

1403
02:48:35,780 --> 02:48:45,160
point. But they certainly can marry. Thank you. Council member Kern. Thank you, Madam Mayor.

1404
02:48:47,580 --> 02:48:54,920
Kevin back to the staff report page 710 or page 9 of 189 in the fantastic table that you have here.

1405
02:48:55,200 --> 02:49:00,940
The table is does say steps required not a timeline, but I am curious moving between step three,

1406
02:49:00,940 --> 02:49:06,740
which is F-E-I-R certification and specific plan adoption to the other agency approvals.

1407
02:49:06,880 --> 02:49:10,060
Do you have a rough idea of what that timeline is?

1408
02:49:13,890 --> 02:49:14,370
Yes.

1409
02:49:14,750 --> 02:49:15,470
No one's holding you.

1410
02:49:15,470 --> 02:49:16,450
I'll do it.

1411
02:49:29,310 --> 02:49:35,250
So it'd be part of the Lafco process and probably nine months to a year somewhere

1412
02:49:35,250 --> 02:49:36,210
around there.

1413
02:49:36,450 --> 02:49:42,110
That's just a testament, but if others have other, I'm seeing heads kind of going like this.

1414
02:49:42,970 --> 02:49:43,250
Okay.

1415
02:49:43,570 --> 02:49:44,290
Thank you so much.

1416
02:49:44,290 --> 02:49:50,140
I'm going to piggyback on the question about cost.

1417
02:49:52,660 --> 02:50:02,300
Are there any state or regulatory agencies since water is a life safety health issue that

1418
02:50:02,300 --> 02:50:06,980
actually put a limitation on cost to customers,

1419
02:50:09,340 --> 02:50:12,420
such as maybe a percentage over your operating

1420
02:50:12,420 --> 02:50:13,460
costs?

1421
02:50:16,220 --> 02:50:17,020
Do we know?

1422
02:50:17,260 --> 02:50:18,380
Could we find out?

1423
02:50:21,350 --> 02:50:27,290
We can look into that, I'm not aware of anything off top of my head, but I don't know if anybody else has.

1424
02:50:28,030 --> 02:50:34,650
I mean, the rates are based off of, I mean, there's a study done, the rates are based off of established costs, overhead,

1425
02:50:36,230 --> 02:50:45,590
treatment, all those different categories. So it's a public, publicly, you know, it's a public document, as far as establishing those costs, I believe they're reviewed, you know,

1426
02:50:45,590 --> 02:50:52,850
I don't know if I want to want to speak on their rate process, but they're publicly available

1427
02:50:52,850 --> 02:50:56,390
and that process has to be quantified to make sense.

1428
02:50:56,530 --> 02:51:00,430
And then do those rates have to be approved by the CPUC?

1429
02:51:01,030 --> 02:51:01,410
They do.

1430
02:51:01,730 --> 02:51:09,210
And do you know that perhaps, sir, if you could tell us, are there any particular state guidelines

1431
02:51:09,210 --> 02:51:12,610
you must follow in terms of rates with caps?

1432
02:51:12,610 --> 02:51:16,750
In that dealing with a private entity, you're there to make money.

1433
02:51:16,850 --> 02:51:19,430
What if you decide the corporation needs more money?

1434
02:51:19,530 --> 02:51:21,350
Because Cal Water is very big.

1435
02:51:22,990 --> 02:51:24,330
It's a very good question.

1436
02:51:25,530 --> 02:51:33,090
The California Public Utilities Commission is the one responsible to review all of the water rates that are recommended by Cal Water.

1437
02:51:33,310 --> 02:51:37,670
It is a very formal and specific three year process.

1438
02:51:37,750 --> 02:51:42,590
Every three years, there is a general rate case that is submitted to the California Public Utilities Commission.

1439
02:51:42,590 --> 02:51:51,630
utilities commission recommending any changes in rates to all customer classes and any potential

1440
02:51:52,350 --> 02:52:00,810
rate variations that there may be. There is a approximately one-to-two-year process where the

1441
02:52:00,810 --> 02:52:07,670
public utilities commission through California advocates reviews the request for additional

1442
02:52:07,670 --> 02:52:14,710
capital, the changes to expenses, the new rates, there is then a discussion back and forth

1443
02:52:14,710 --> 02:52:19,710
before the commission establishes the new rates on a three-year basis.

1444
02:52:20,830 --> 02:52:21,270
Thank you.

1445
02:52:21,350 --> 02:52:22,310
That's very helpful.

1446
02:52:23,770 --> 02:52:24,110
All right.

1447
02:52:24,370 --> 02:52:28,510
Moving along in questions, let us start with Council Member Kern.

1448
02:52:30,500 --> 02:52:31,880
Thank you, Madam Mayor.

1449
02:52:34,360 --> 02:53:00,100
Covered in the Baylands specific plan regarding water is about the, there's some information there about the mechanics of the piping, regarding land settlement. I'm just wondering, do we have any sort of performance bonds or warranties, and if we do how long are they and what kind of coverage is it based upon settlement alone that the pipes would be damaged?

1450
02:53:08,910 --> 02:53:17,210
We certainly, we certainly, for capital construction, we would have certain guarantees in place.

1451
02:53:17,810 --> 02:53:26,030
I think that would be something that we could look at in a closely developed agreement to see what the appropriate limits are and the protections are.

1452
02:53:26,030 --> 02:53:35,670
This obviously is a more nuanced area when you compare to other built-out locations.

1453
02:53:36,670 --> 02:53:38,670
Hence the question. Thanks, Madison.

1454
02:53:39,690 --> 02:53:40,870
Council member O'Connell.

1455
02:53:43,600 --> 02:53:54,300
Piggy backing on that. Once the water pipes and the water system is put in, and perhaps that is being serviced by cow water,

1456
02:53:54,300 --> 02:54:05,860
would cow water own the pipes and infrastructure also, and in that respect, also own the liability for any settlement or degradation of the system.

1457
02:54:06,820 --> 02:54:22,860
And if so initiating that new water system is going to be expensive, and I'm assuming in the rate structure, the cow water would put out to the PUC to get an approval of rates.

1458
02:54:22,860 --> 02:54:33,040
It's going to be the cost of building that infrastructure and putting it in and or acquiring it if it's built for them and

1459
02:54:33,040 --> 02:54:42,240
Also the water treatment facility, so wouldn't all that go into the PUC's determination if a rate was

1460
02:54:43,300 --> 02:54:49,940
Fair or not for those rate holders and so it could be because it's a new system and a new service

1461
02:54:49,940 --> 02:55:01,340
It could be quite expensive for anyone who's receiving water from that system and or existing tenants that may be forced onto that water system.

1462
02:55:02,100 --> 02:55:15,060
Is that a true depiction of how rates might be assessed for the bail-ins and for customers out on baby and zero point?

1463
02:55:18,110 --> 02:55:25,490
What I would say is that with respect to the cost of the initial infrastructure, the treatment,

1464
02:55:25,970 --> 02:55:32,290
the facility, the pipes, everything, that's a lot of that's still subject to negotiations.

1465
02:55:33,050 --> 02:55:38,710
I know that the developer in Cal Water need to come to an agreement on those terms,

1466
02:55:39,430 --> 02:55:43,150
and that's something that needs to be addressed at that best part of that.

1467
02:55:43,150 --> 02:55:47,150
whether you're going to see paths through costs for infrastructure improvements to

1468
02:55:47,850 --> 02:55:54,470
code, you know, to rate pairs. I don't believe so, but I'm not the best person to speak to that.

1469
02:55:58,870 --> 02:56:00,430
I'll wait till my next question.

1470
02:56:00,790 --> 02:56:01,390
So thank you.

1471
02:56:04,160 --> 02:56:04,180
Okay.

1472
02:56:04,320 --> 02:56:05,200
Council Member Lens.

1473
02:56:06,620 --> 02:56:06,920
Yes.

1474
02:56:10,170 --> 02:56:13,390
This is a question for either Stephanie or Scott.

1475
02:56:13,750 --> 02:56:14,710
Scott, right?

1476
02:56:15,150 --> 02:56:15,350
Okay.

1477
02:56:15,350 --> 02:56:23,450
So, we'll recycle water but use for all non-potable uses as allowed by California law.

1478
02:56:23,990 --> 02:56:32,330
So, I notice that we're not providing recycled water inside homes.

1479
02:56:32,730 --> 02:56:45,330
And so, I'm curious if, you know, are we maximizing the allowable non-potable water use?

1480
02:56:45,330 --> 02:56:48,350
in the bayonets and if not why.

1481
02:56:54,320 --> 02:57:02,060
Yeah, the current specific plan talks about recycled water for irrigation, cooling, and

1482
02:57:02,060 --> 02:57:03,840
flushing in commercial buildings.

1483
02:57:04,720 --> 02:57:11,100
At this point in time, the systems that we're contemplating, there are still health and

1484
02:57:11,100 --> 02:57:18,420
acceptability issues with pumping recycled water into homes on the system that we're contemplating

1485
02:57:18,420 --> 02:57:18,880
buying.

1486
02:57:18,880 --> 02:57:27,080
But yeah, we do think in terms of the irrigation and the amount of parks and open space and greenways that we're putting in,

1487
02:57:27,160 --> 02:57:32,940
we are, you know, that's a very significant part of the water use at the baylands.

1488
02:57:33,540 --> 02:57:42,580
So we do feel like we're maximizing it out without compromising or addressing human health issues by piping it into homes.

1489
02:57:43,300 --> 02:57:50,700
Okay, Scott, can you, because as far as I know, granted, I'm not an expert like you all are.

1490
02:57:51,940 --> 02:58:02,760
You can use potable water inside homes for flashing a toilet, other uses, and that's the law.

1491
02:58:03,480 --> 02:58:11,880
So, maybe that isn't what you envision, but my question is, are we maximizing what California law it allows?

1492
02:58:11,880 --> 02:58:13,860
and it sounds like perhaps we are not.

1493
02:58:15,100 --> 02:58:21,780
It's a more complicated question and we can bring you more information at the next hearing,

1494
02:58:22,280 --> 02:58:23,760
which we'll talk about water infrastructure.

1495
02:58:24,220 --> 02:58:28,700
We did look very carefully at this and you are correct, California law does allow recycled

1496
02:58:28,700 --> 02:58:35,740
water into residences, but it's a certain type of system that has to be heavily monitored

1497
02:58:36,720 --> 02:58:42,640
and super engineered and really 24-7 monitoring to do that and that is not the kind of water

1498
02:58:42,640 --> 02:58:47,300
recycling facility that we're designed. What you see mostly when you see programs like that

1499
02:58:47,300 --> 02:59:01,720
are municipal water suppliers or water agencies who have extremely large system 60 employees 24-7 engineers

1500
02:59:01,720 --> 02:59:08,920
or, you know, watching that kind of a system 24-hour basis, and monitoring the water all the

1501
02:59:08,920 --> 02:59:09,080
time.

1502
02:59:09,280 --> 02:59:13,100
And those are the kinds of things that you need to put in place in order to kind of safely

1503
02:59:13,100 --> 02:59:16,000
allow recycled water to be in a hole.

1504
02:59:17,200 --> 02:59:22,760
And we all know, even if it's just flushing, how much dogs and children love toilet water.

1505
02:59:23,380 --> 02:59:28,040
So it is really, you know, a serious, and we looked at it very carefully, and it is a very serious

1506
02:59:28,040 --> 02:59:28,560
question.

1507
02:59:28,560 --> 02:59:35,400
and appreciate, you know, the question of whether we're maximizing the recycling, but we looked very

1508
02:59:35,400 --> 02:59:42,320
hard at that question about whether it was the system that we're designing would be safe and

1509
02:59:43,680 --> 02:59:51,080
for an acceptable in a residential setting. That's the sensitivity. Thank you. It's got, if

1510
02:59:53,390 --> 02:59:59,970
you

1511
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:06,560
For a cycle of water, or pretty high. And because they are so high, that's why California allows a

1512
03:00:06,560 --> 03:00:17,980
cycle of water to be installed in homes, purplifies it's all in homes. So I'm assuming that if California

1513
03:00:17,980 --> 03:00:25,420
it all allows it. It's not that dangerous. But you're you're an expert on that and if you

1514
03:00:25,420 --> 03:00:30,120
wait a minute, please. I just want to start by saying the water supply assessment was really

1515
03:00:30,120 --> 03:00:37,920
looking at the recycled water needs per the specific plan. Exactly. What I will say is you see

1516
03:00:37,920 --> 03:00:45,920
more of recycled water in toilets and other indoor usage in more commercial applications than

1517
03:00:45,920 --> 03:00:55,740
in homes. For one it is the monitoring and the reach of making sure that it is safe as was mentioned.

1518
03:00:56,020 --> 03:01:05,700
That is correct. For homes you really have to have the support structure of making sure that it is of the right quality that is not being used in the wrong way.

1519
03:01:06,240 --> 03:01:12,080
There are very specific requirements of monitoring it making sure there are not leaks.

1520
03:01:12,080 --> 03:01:24,540
So there is a whole other level of requirement for homes and you really see it still more in the commercial space than the indoor residential space.

1521
03:01:25,820 --> 03:01:26,780
Excuse me.

1522
03:01:27,820 --> 03:01:29,280
We need to extend the meeting.

1523
03:01:29,440 --> 03:01:33,400
I need a motion and a second please extend the meeting for an hour.

1524
03:01:33,560 --> 03:01:35,100
Send the second.

1525
03:01:37,160 --> 03:01:38,640
Oh, you're asking for a second.

1526
03:01:38,640 --> 03:01:39,660
I will second.

1527
03:01:40,320 --> 03:01:41,060
All in favor.

1528
03:01:41,100 --> 03:01:41,560
Hi.

1529
03:01:41,560 --> 03:01:42,860
I'm going to post?

1530
03:01:43,340 --> 03:01:44,200
Yeah. Okay.

1531
03:01:44,680 --> 03:01:46,360
So, I mean, I get that.

1532
03:01:46,900 --> 03:02:09,860
So, I'm just going to give direction then to staff that I would like for us to get further information in regards to applying the maximum California allowed use of recycled water in all areas of the development site.

1533
03:02:11,870 --> 03:02:13,950
Thank you very much.

1534
03:02:14,770 --> 03:02:17,450
Council member, who are we on?

1535
03:02:17,950 --> 03:02:19,110
Oh, they're pro-tomedabes.

1536
03:02:22,270 --> 03:02:24,410
So the water recycling facilities

1537
03:02:24,410 --> 03:02:26,890
intended to serve not only the bail-ins,

1538
03:02:27,010 --> 03:02:28,670
but also other cow water customers,

1539
03:02:29,290 --> 03:02:30,790
if I'm understanding correctly.

1540
03:02:31,550 --> 03:02:34,650
What portion of the facilities, capital, operating and maintenance costs

1541
03:02:34,650 --> 03:02:36,850
will be the responsibility of the bail-ins developer.

1542
03:02:37,390 --> 03:02:40,090
And what portion will be allocated to other users

1543
03:02:40,090 --> 03:02:43,670
who benefit from the facility, how will these costs

1544
03:02:43,670 --> 03:02:45,290
responsibilities be established?

1545
03:02:52,880 --> 03:02:54,100
I think it's a U question.

1546
03:03:00,720 --> 03:03:02,660
I think those arrangements are still being determined.

1547
03:03:03,500 --> 03:03:06,660
And we definitely would be able to answer that as that's

1548
03:03:06,660 --> 03:03:08,740
available, but it's definitely still being.

1549
03:03:08,860 --> 03:03:14,720
But would you say that, I mean, because there are other

1550
03:03:15,800 --> 03:03:18,800
rate pairs would be benefiting that not all the costs

1551
03:03:18,800 --> 03:03:20,480
would be born by the developer?

1552
03:03:21,640 --> 03:03:28,800
I think there's a discussion of the development of the treatment plant and then the extension

1553
03:03:28,800 --> 03:03:32,940
of the pipelines to be able to serve other customers and that's often where there can

1554
03:03:32,940 --> 03:03:36,200
be a distinguished distinguishing of the costs.

1555
03:03:37,040 --> 03:03:39,320
And when do you expect to work that out?

1556
03:03:41,160 --> 03:03:42,400
That is to be determined.

1557
03:03:42,720 --> 03:03:47,460
We do not have a timeline at this point, though we are actively working on it.

1558
03:03:47,660 --> 03:03:48,420
You're in discussions.

1559
03:03:48,960 --> 03:03:49,160
Correct.

1560
03:03:49,160 --> 03:03:53,630
Okay. All right. I have a question.

1561
03:03:56,790 --> 03:04:00,730
In our own city water, when we build, we also account

1562
03:04:00,730 --> 03:04:05,470
for maintenance to infrastructure. And if we remove all the customers that's here a point,

1563
03:04:05,690 --> 03:04:13,230
and those are water lines and sewer lines that we currently maintain, what happens to

1564
03:04:13,230 --> 03:04:18,010
the costs to maintain all of those points of infrastructure?

1565
03:04:21,100 --> 03:04:26,520
For the city system, we would look at our overall O&M, you know, our overall cost with

1566
03:04:26,520 --> 03:04:33,460
system in place, part of our upcoming utility rate study, we'll be to consider those

1567
03:04:33,460 --> 03:04:40,680
possibilities. I think the fiscal analysis will also look a little bit more detail about

1568
03:04:40,680 --> 03:04:49,880
what those impacts are going to be with respect to the utility changes as part of this

1569
03:04:49,880 --> 03:04:57,640
that city still being undertaken. So I guess what I'm also getting at here is would we be issuing

1570
03:04:59,800 --> 03:05:06,400
bills for sewer rates to see our point customers, even though they're receiving water from

1571
03:05:06,400 --> 03:05:12,880
someone else, would cow water be issuing their own bills, would the city be doing that? How does that work?

1572
03:05:13,300 --> 03:05:17,180
On the water side, it would be the utility operator cow water would be doing the billing,

1573
03:05:17,180 --> 03:05:22,460
on the sewer side, for the portions to your point, it would still be City of Brisbane.

1574
03:05:22,940 --> 03:05:27,060
Okay, and since the water lines are already there and belong to the City of Brisbane,

1575
03:05:27,300 --> 03:05:30,640
would they be putting in their own water lines or using our water lines?

1576
03:05:31,300 --> 03:05:34,820
That would be part of the negotiation for the transfer.

1577
03:05:35,280 --> 03:05:35,460
Okay.

1578
03:05:35,960 --> 03:05:39,920
They would be, the idea that we would not, if that was transfer, we would not retain ownership.

1579
03:05:40,680 --> 03:05:40,980
Okay.

1580
03:05:42,320 --> 03:05:43,840
All right, Council Member O'Connell.

1581
03:05:43,840 --> 03:05:44,640
Not

1582
03:05:51,840 --> 03:06:17,340
sure if this is a question or it gets into discussion, I still have concerns about what the water rates may be for our affected customers that have been part of the Brisbane water system and paying for their fees and what the implications of that of this transition may or may not be.

1583
03:06:17,340 --> 03:06:25,680
And since we don't have water agreement and I know there was an initial attempt at a water

1584
03:06:26,860 --> 03:06:33,440
contract that came to the subcommittee and has not been acted upon and has not been

1585
03:06:33,960 --> 03:06:40,300
approved. I think it's been sent back to the drawing board. But I just have some concerns about

1586
03:06:41,300 --> 03:06:50,260
those potential impacts of giving up city infrastructure and where the

1587
03:06:50,260 --> 03:06:55,340
cost burden would be on the city and I don't think those have been able to

1588
03:06:55,340 --> 03:07:01,160
be answered because but we may get some of that in the financial discussion to

1589
03:07:01,160 --> 03:07:08,300
come so keep that in mind that I'll be looking for those. Thank you. Council member

1590
03:07:10,690 --> 03:07:12,670
Thank you, Madam Mayor, this is my last question.

1591
03:07:13,450 --> 03:07:14,930
My question is around redundancy.

1592
03:07:15,730 --> 03:07:22,810
So if the water recycling facility is to go down either from a mechanical problem or contamination,

1593
03:07:23,090 --> 03:07:24,470
it doesn't matter what the problem is.

1594
03:07:24,470 --> 03:07:29,970
But if the water recycling facility is not able to produce water, we're going to have...

1595
03:07:30,000 --> 03:07:35,900
Probably use potable water. I'm guessing, but what does that come from? And what's the backup plan of something like that happens?

1596
03:07:43,490 --> 03:08:06,510
I can take an attempt at answering that one. So essentially, the potable supply would be associated in that scenario is my guess. If recycled water is not available, potable water should still be available, whether, you know, and again, this is not for a long time, long term, you know, the redundancy would be able to help out.

1597
03:08:06,510 --> 03:08:12,310
in the event of an issue, and while that issue is being worked out, before the recycled water comes back online.

1598
03:08:13,490 --> 03:08:18,690
If I don't know if Kelwater has anything else to add to that, but that's generally how you would operate in that scenario.

1599
03:08:23,940 --> 03:08:30,040
I can add to that to just confirm that the intent would be to keep water flowing in the recycled water pipeline,

1600
03:08:30,340 --> 03:08:34,820
and that would be using potable water until the recycled water was available again.

1601
03:08:35,200 --> 03:08:39,480
So that is part of the water calculation to make sure that that could be provided for.

1602
03:08:40,720 --> 03:08:42,800
Thank you.

1603
03:08:42,800 --> 03:08:43,880
May I approach him, Davis?

1604
03:08:47,580 --> 03:08:52,580
If the offset programs, requirements, or cost change before the bill ends, connects to the system,

1605
03:08:52,760 --> 03:09:01,860
am I correct to assume that B.I. is responsible for these increases to cover these increases?

1606
03:09:04,640 --> 03:09:05,460
I'm seeing nons.

1607
03:09:11,310 --> 03:09:14,150
Are you asking the question of staff for the water company?

1608
03:09:15,750 --> 03:09:16,990
Anyone who wants to answer?

1609
03:09:16,990 --> 03:09:24,430
I would assume the water company would be the most appropriate entity to answer,

1610
03:09:27,590 --> 03:09:27,730
but

1611
03:09:27,730 --> 03:09:34,850
that is the discussion and the negotiation would be on those costs and any changes in those costs.

1612
03:09:34,850 --> 03:09:35,950
Got it, right.

1613
03:09:36,590 --> 03:09:37,890
Part of the ongoing conversation.

1614
03:09:38,810 --> 03:09:40,010
Got it.

1615
03:09:40,090 --> 03:09:41,710
That's the last of my questions.

1616
03:09:42,330 --> 03:09:45,770
The rest that I had were already covered by other council members, so.

1617
03:09:45,770 --> 03:09:47,510
Comments member lens.

1618
03:09:48,530 --> 03:09:48,790
All right.

1619
03:09:51,740 --> 03:09:58,440
Okay, just confirming that we've established that actually, you know what, if I can just get confirmation.

1620
03:09:59,040 --> 03:10:01,400
You know, there's a lot of talk about

1621
03:10:01,400 --> 03:10:04,020
In regards to desk control and construction.

1622
03:10:04,860 --> 03:10:08,640
You know, using Brisbane's water, using SAP C water.

1623
03:10:09,000 --> 03:10:12,800
Obviously, the water that Brisbane gets is SAP UC.

1624
03:10:13,280 --> 03:10:13,440
Right?

1625
03:10:13,440 --> 03:10:17,540
So let's just get that sorted out.

1626
03:10:18,820 --> 03:10:25,320
So the water that will be used for dust control and construction is that coming from the

1627
03:10:25,320 --> 03:10:30,600
Brisbane supply chain or is that coming directly from San Francisco?

1628
03:10:32,140 --> 03:10:34,300
Can one of you answer that question, please?

1629
03:10:37,000 --> 03:10:43,200
Yes, and I apologize for the confusion, but it is a confusing historical and set of facts

1630
03:10:43,200 --> 03:10:50,520
water and water supply out at the bailouts. The water we will be using again, we have our own

1631
03:10:52,600 --> 03:10:59,660
SFPUC water. Is it Brisbane water? Or is it no? If it's coming from SFPUC. Yes, well, your water comes

1632
03:10:59,660 --> 03:11:05,040
from SFPUC too. And in fact, most of the peninsula will come from SFPUC. So it's the Sanchez code thing.

1633
03:11:05,360 --> 03:11:10,060
Then it's coming directly from San Francisco. But our pipes are in Brisbane. I know, but

1634
03:11:10,060 --> 03:11:13,900
And our water bills come to our Brisbane address from SFPUC.

1635
03:11:14,440 --> 03:11:22,280
So we are in your service area, but the bail-ins has been relying on historic water.

1636
03:11:22,380 --> 03:11:30,380
And in fact, our deed goes back to 1890 and it was a water deal with the Crystal Springs

1637
03:11:30,380 --> 03:11:36,780
Water Company before SFPUC ever actually existed and before the Cindy of Brisbane existed.

1638
03:11:36,780 --> 03:12:06,520
So our water is the, you know, the oldest thing out there, right now, and it is our water legally and historically our water, so yeah, that's the water and we currently use it now, for businesses on the landfill, and so does Gold and State Lumber, so just transdab all of the tunnel road are on, in Brisbane, on SFPUC water, in the Brisbane water service area, but it's historic, what,

1639
03:12:06,520 --> 03:12:20,760
SFPUC calls retail water. Okay, so your water is separate. Okay, well, that's that's the bucket of water. You've got a 1MGD contract with SFPUC city of Brisbane

1640
03:12:20,760 --> 03:12:28,500
That's a separate pot of water from what we're using on the bail-ins. Okay, so that was my question from us

1641
03:12:29,000 --> 03:12:32,040
Can you confirm that none of Brisbane's

1642
03:12:32,040 --> 03:12:39,780
things, a lot from SAPUC that we currently have, will be used for contraption or does control

1643
03:12:39,780 --> 03:12:41,300
out in the bay lines.

1644
03:12:42,900 --> 03:12:47,860
I have, after double check, and see what the specific plan called out for it, but based

1645
03:12:47,860 --> 03:12:55,020
on the comment tonight, as of water is available on site, and they've been utilizing it,

1646
03:12:55,400 --> 03:13:00,000
and I don't see any reason why we would have to provide our supplies part of that construction.

1647
03:13:00,000 --> 03:13:06,240
Yeah, I don't see why we would either, but if we can just confirm, you know, or if you have that confirmation.

1648
03:13:06,380 --> 03:13:20,940
Well, I think I think that everything that we talked about is intended to be consistent in the specific plan, but there's obviously enough confusion about it that I would treat this as one of the...

1649
03:13:20,940 --> 03:13:27,640
at it within the plan, so that the question is answered definitively, the tracks along the

1650
03:13:27,640 --> 03:13:29,560
wing that we've had the conversation so far tonight.

1651
03:13:30,040 --> 03:13:33,360
Great, thank you very much for including that in this specific plan.

1652
03:13:33,980 --> 03:13:42,780
Okay, so gentlemen from Cal Water, please put your fingers in your ears while I ask this next question.

1653
03:13:47,020 --> 03:13:54,720
Since the baylands is getting water from the S.F.P.U.C. directly, why do you need

1654
03:13:54,720 --> 03:13:59,980
cow water? Why don't you just get potable water from San Francisco? Why are we

1655
03:13:59,980 --> 03:14:01,240
going through this exercise?

1656
03:14:03,850 --> 03:14:06,310
If you have historic water rights that go back to

1657
03:14:06,310 --> 03:14:11,530
Crystal Springs, you're talking about the Holgus water fountain, 1911.

1658
03:14:11,530 --> 03:14:23,390
18 years ago. So why? Why need a commercial supplier versus a municipal supplier?

1659
03:14:25,370 --> 03:14:31,150
We don't have enough water to to for the full buildout of the the bailouts.

1660
03:14:31,330 --> 03:14:38,210
We have enough water to do construction and remediation. So it's based on your existing water use right now for the retail because we are a retail customer.

1661
03:14:38,210 --> 03:14:44,430
There's not enough water for the full build out of the bailouts, so they've given you an allocation.

1662
03:14:45,530 --> 03:14:50,030
Well, it's not exactly an allocation, it's...

1663
03:14:50,030 --> 03:14:57,210
We use SFPUC water and so you kind of establish an existing water use.

1664
03:14:57,750 --> 03:14:59,970
And that existing water use is not a...

1665
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:10,180
Off to obviously cover the full bail-ins full build out. We have had discussions with SFPUC just about extending

1666
03:15:10,180 --> 03:15:16,840
and expanding that retail program.

1667
03:15:19,140 --> 03:15:28,660
And it's a very complicated discussion. SFPUC is not expanding

1668
03:15:28,660 --> 03:15:32,820
any other retail customers right now. We,

1669
03:15:34,960 --> 03:15:41,460
however, in the EIR, we did study SFPUC expansion,

1670
03:15:41,540 --> 03:15:51,120
and it is an alternative that could be potentially relied upon if the cow water agreement

1671
03:15:51,120 --> 03:15:53,180
doesn't come to fruition.

1672
03:15:57,480 --> 03:16:03,780
SFPUC is, you know, under a lot of pressure to reduce their water uses, you know, to also supply

1673
03:16:03,780 --> 03:16:07,680
water to two large customers who don't have a guaranteed supply.

1674
03:16:07,780 --> 03:16:15,060
City of Brisbane has a 1 million gallon day guarantee of water from SFPUC.

1675
03:16:16,020 --> 03:16:24,980
There are two other large cities in the Bosque arrangement, Sunnyvale and San Jose that don't have a guarantee.

1676
03:16:26,420 --> 03:16:33,080
And so, those two cities are very concerned about anybody getting water before they get their guarantee set.

1677
03:16:34,080 --> 03:16:42,240
So, for a myriad of reasons and those were just kind of the big highlights of why SFUC is not looking to expand their water base.

1678
03:16:44,380 --> 03:16:49,500
that expanding our current retail was not an option.

1679
03:16:50,060 --> 03:16:55,520
SFPCC says they don't have the water and that's what's discussed in the EIR under the alternative.

1680
03:16:56,600 --> 03:17:01,880
But I think that that can always be re-looked at if it needs to be a plan B.

1681
03:17:02,480 --> 03:17:03,220
Okay, thank you.

1682
03:17:03,320 --> 03:17:07,920
But we like our friends at Cal Water and we've worked very well with them to get to this point

1683
03:17:07,920 --> 03:17:10,420
and work through the WSA and the EIR issues.

1684
03:17:10,560 --> 03:17:12,900
I'm working on the, you know, the agreements

1685
03:17:12,900 --> 03:17:14,380
and hashing it all out.

1686
03:17:14,720 --> 03:17:16,900
So we're pretty confident on our partnership

1687
03:17:16,900 --> 03:17:17,860
with CalWater.

1688
03:17:19,820 --> 03:17:20,800
Yeah, thank you.

1689
03:17:21,060 --> 03:17:23,700
Mayor Potem, Davis, did you say you have no further questions?

1690
03:17:24,080 --> 03:17:25,400
Okay, so we move on to...

1691
03:17:25,400 --> 03:17:28,000
Correct, but I would like to note that

1692
03:17:28,000 --> 03:17:30,760
and this meeting has been going on for over three hours.

1693
03:17:31,520 --> 03:17:33,880
And I do want to make sure we get to public comment

1694
03:17:33,880 --> 03:17:35,020
if possible tonight.

1695
03:17:35,260 --> 03:17:37,900
So I'd love it if maybe there are council members

1696
03:17:37,900 --> 03:17:43,520
with lots more questions that we would at least open up and let some of the public speak,

1697
03:17:44,020 --> 03:17:47,880
you know, so that we don't run out this whole meeting and no one from the public got any

1698
03:17:47,880 --> 03:17:49,840
got a chance to say anything on the water.

1699
03:17:50,240 --> 03:17:51,900
I only have a couple more questions.

1700
03:17:52,220 --> 03:17:53,220
How about councilmember?

1701
03:17:53,580 --> 03:17:54,980
I have a lot.

1702
03:17:55,820 --> 03:17:56,960
I only have a lot of water, too.

1703
03:17:58,280 --> 03:17:59,160
And councilmember Kirk?

1704
03:17:59,200 --> 03:18:04,000
I don't have any further questions, but I support Mayor Potem Davis's NID statement.

1705
03:18:05,060 --> 03:18:05,280
Okay.

1706
03:18:05,280 --> 03:18:10,340
So we want to park the council questions and move on to public comment.

1707
03:18:10,700 --> 03:18:11,220
Sure.

1708
03:18:12,000 --> 03:18:14,860
Sure, as long as we can come back to a couple of questions.

1709
03:18:15,120 --> 03:18:19,000
Well, if we don't get to the council questions today, they go to the next year.

1710
03:18:19,440 --> 03:18:19,660
Okay.

1711
03:18:21,940 --> 03:18:23,080
Nancy Loxamana.

1712
03:18:23,500 --> 03:18:24,520
Are you here? Yes.

1713
03:18:30,170 --> 03:18:30,630
Thank you.

1714
03:18:30,750 --> 03:18:32,630
Nancy Loxamana for his main resident.

1715
03:18:32,990 --> 03:18:35,370
I did notice on page 4 of 10,

1716
03:18:35,370 --> 03:18:54,050
It says about existing uses within the Bayland or Surve by the City of Brisbane, so that should be corrected, should the information that was supplied tonight is correct, so that we established that parts of the Bayland are covered by SFPUC.

1717
03:18:54,050 --> 03:19:04,770
I did also, though, find Senate Bill 610 on Google, and there were two interesting paragraphs

1718
03:19:04,770 --> 03:19:09,510
that I think are important to read, and I think it follows up with Stephanie, what

1719
03:19:09,510 --> 03:19:10,490
you were just saying.

1720
03:19:10,970 --> 03:19:16,230
But it says that Bill requires smaller public water systems to prepare water supply assessments

1721
03:19:16,230 --> 03:19:20,710
on projects that would increase their service connection by 10% or more.

1722
03:19:20,710 --> 03:19:29,250
It also says, if the city or county cannot identify a public water system to provide the

1723
03:19:29,250 --> 03:19:36,050
water supply assessment, SB 610 requires the State Department of Water Resources to prepare

1724
03:19:36,050 --> 03:19:37,230
the assessment.

1725
03:19:37,430 --> 03:19:41,950
The bill allows the State Controller to cover the department's cost.

1726
03:19:42,670 --> 03:19:48,690
So my view of that in that law, Senate Bill 610, which was quoted at the start of the

1727
03:19:48,690 --> 03:19:50,690
presentation, is that we really

1728
03:19:50,690 --> 03:19:57,750
need to look to the state for guidance and an assessment of how to solve this very, very critical

1729
03:19:57,750 --> 03:20:06,850
question. And I do believe that we should get state assemblymen back or involved. It's a series

1730
03:20:06,850 --> 03:20:12,350
of the utility company that doesn't want to do it. Well, maybe they do the portable part of the

1731
03:20:12,350 --> 03:20:19,990
equation. I mean, I love the cow water, you know, the recycled facility, et cetera. I understand

1732
03:20:19,990 --> 03:20:26,910
there need to kind of get it forward for South San Francisco, but I believe the potable

1733
03:20:26,910 --> 03:20:34,230
seems very high at 70% versus the 30% recycled water. It just seems very high even though

1734
03:20:34,230 --> 03:20:42,070
I'm very clear of the need to keep the residential up. And if I can just take one maybe 20 seconds

1735
03:20:42,070 --> 03:20:50,150
out of mayor on decorum in the meeting. Should we have unions coming in and really, you know,

1736
03:20:50,270 --> 03:20:54,070
pulling their heart out now for happy anniversary. It's eight years in November.

1737
03:20:54,870 --> 03:21:02,050
Maybe they can be spoke. They can speak early in the meeting. A lot of them travel far, a lot

1738
03:21:02,050 --> 03:21:09,870
are here. But we had three speak the third one. We sort of cut them off a little bit being very kind

1739
03:21:09,870 --> 03:21:16,910
year, but then the next speaker, a Brisbane resident, went on about aesthetics, the road, you

1740
03:21:16,910 --> 03:21:19,770
know, solar panels was not on topic.

1741
03:21:20,130 --> 03:21:24,850
So if we could please, maybe consider, at the start of the meeting, just having those

1742
03:21:24,850 --> 03:21:29,590
people who have come to speak on the general information, let them speak and let them go,

1743
03:21:29,630 --> 03:21:30,430
just an assessment.

1744
03:21:30,850 --> 03:21:33,510
And I respectfully just suggest that.

1745
03:21:33,710 --> 03:21:34,570
Thank you very much.

1746
03:21:34,770 --> 03:21:35,590
Thank you.

1747
03:21:35,970 --> 03:21:36,970
Michelle Salman.

1748
03:21:40,420 --> 03:21:46,720
I'll be quick. I have questions. First of all, I'm concerned of what constitutes a normal year

1749
03:21:46,720 --> 03:21:53,820
because I don't think we have normal years anymore. And I think we should define that

1750
03:21:53,820 --> 03:22:01,640
because a normal year is just going to change and we are seeing that very much so this year.

1751
03:22:01,640 --> 03:22:11,800
And then, one thing that came up, I was really concerned about is how would cow water be supplied to South San Francisco?

1752
03:22:12,560 --> 03:22:16,540
Does that mean we're going to build a pipeline to South San Francisco?

1753
03:22:17,460 --> 03:22:23,620
And where's the environmental impact for building a pipeline to South San Francisco to deliver that water?

1754
03:22:24,060 --> 03:22:26,660
I'm kind of concerned about the delivery systems.

1755
03:22:27,180 --> 03:22:29,940
Are we going to build a new pipeline going to see your point?

1756
03:22:30,110 --> 03:22:38,710
When we have, you know, a lot of subsidence issues there. So the logistics of that, I'm not quite seeing.

1757
03:22:39,890 --> 03:22:46,850
I also caught the 245 being less than 20 years on a 30 or 40 year build-out potential build-out.

1758
03:22:47,470 --> 03:22:49,450
And then this is kind of a hard question,

1759
03:22:52,070 --> 03:22:58,970
but so San Francisco PUC is applying the water for several businesses out there.

1760
03:22:58,970 --> 03:23:07,790
but who is taking care of the affluent like the waste material? Is it go through our social

1761
03:23:07,790 --> 03:23:13,230
system? Because the sewer charge and the maintenance charge is the largest part of my

1762
03:23:13,230 --> 03:23:18,330
bill at all. We don't use that much water, but I have you know, $350 water bill every

1763
03:23:18,330 --> 03:23:26,590
two months. So I'm curious about that. So, and with the recycling plant, where do the solids

1764
03:23:26,590 --> 03:23:27,150
Let's go.

1765
03:23:27,530 --> 03:23:32,150
What happens to the things that do not become recycled in that way?

1766
03:23:32,210 --> 03:23:32,850
Where do they go?

1767
03:23:32,970 --> 03:23:34,070
Where do they hang out?

1768
03:23:34,410 --> 03:23:38,610
Because, like, remember driving, you know, to Emoryville in the mornings, when I

1769
03:23:38,610 --> 03:23:43,890
worked for Chiple, and driving past the smell of the Oakland processing, it was really

1770
03:23:43,890 --> 03:23:44,430
dreadful.

1771
03:23:44,950 --> 03:23:48,230
So I have curiosity about that as well.

1772
03:23:48,670 --> 03:23:49,150
Thank you.

1773
03:23:49,790 --> 03:23:49,830
Okay.

1774
03:23:49,830 --> 03:23:56,050
Could we have a staff answer on whether a pipeline would be built to South San Francisco

1775
03:23:56,050 --> 03:23:59,810
to deliver non-potable water, please?

1776
03:24:10,840 --> 03:24:15,760
I mean, there would need to be conveyance mechanisms to get the recycled water down to other customers.

1777
03:24:16,680 --> 03:24:22,020
But my understanding is that that's not part of our specific plan process or city costs.

1778
03:24:25,800 --> 03:24:27,900
Okay, so that's not been worked out.

1779
03:24:28,120 --> 03:24:35,940
No, and I think that would require a project level EIR to take a closer look at the potentially impacts of that.

1780
03:24:35,940 --> 03:24:40,360
that it was not something that's part of the program at a key area or that's part of the specific plan.

1781
03:24:40,920 --> 03:24:44,760
And for maintenance of the pipe sending the affluent to San Francisco?

1782
03:24:45,420 --> 03:24:46,400
Can you pay for that?

1783
03:24:47,040 --> 03:24:50,780
That would be, so under the terms of the specific plan,

1784
03:24:50,920 --> 03:24:55,640
based on a sanitary district would be responsible for managing sewer waste.

1785
03:24:56,740 --> 03:25:02,880
And so essentially you would still have a connection to SFQC's wastewater system during what

1786
03:25:02,880 --> 03:25:08,640
other, you would still have flows that would go that direction and then whatever byproducts

1787
03:25:08,640 --> 03:25:14,000
aren't reused, could be a combination of sludge or solids that we need to be removed.

1788
03:25:14,840 --> 03:25:19,840
But again, that's something that the project level, yeah, or would get more into the details.

1789
03:25:20,660 --> 03:25:22,260
Okay, thank you.

1790
03:25:22,580 --> 03:25:23,300
Palm scale.

1791
03:25:32,820 --> 03:25:33,900
Thank you.

1792
03:25:35,320 --> 03:25:41,600
So a couple of things about the water back when we did the draft environmental impact report

1793
03:25:41,600 --> 03:25:49,420
that was the biggest use water. And one of the comments I made was about looking at it

1794
03:25:49,420 --> 03:25:59,740
regionally. And now the candlestick has been worked out. And obviously, Schleslach seems

1795
03:25:59,740 --> 03:26:09,120
to be the first to be worked out for BDI as far as development. And you've brought up the point

1796
03:26:09,120 --> 03:26:15,540
about the interchange from Geneva to 101 and they talked about that in a model station

1797
03:26:15,540 --> 03:26:18,800
and the four concepts that they had.

1798
03:26:20,220 --> 03:26:24,600
Well, San Francisco is also talking about bringing in the high pressure water system that

1799
03:26:24,600 --> 03:26:29,480
they have, which is non-potable, depends on what part of the city you're from, it's either salt

1800
03:26:29,480 --> 03:26:35,320
water or lake water, and also a potable system.

1801
03:26:36,240 --> 03:26:42,580
So, looking at the baylands to go in with cow water,

1802
03:26:44,600 --> 03:26:46,500
wizard would not see, I know they have

1803
03:26:46,500 --> 03:26:54,760
an inner tie with Brisbane, I'm based on Samanolab and you first here a point to where if

1804
03:26:54,760 --> 03:27:02,500
something went down they could feed and vice versa, I believe, wizard, inner tie, doubt

1805
03:27:02,500 --> 03:27:09,460
the variance portion I'd like to know, and then the other thing I'd like to know is

1806
03:27:09,460 --> 03:27:21,620
I'd buy up many times about a non-politable water tank and a separate fire hydrant system

1807
03:27:21,620 --> 03:27:29,060
and well, proper pipe, fire hydrant system and irrigation for the bayramates, because two

1808
03:27:29,060 --> 03:27:36,000
to the water required for the balance. I believe is for firefight protection and having

1809
03:27:36,000 --> 03:27:37,600
redundancy in those tanks.

1810
03:27:40,020 --> 03:27:42,940
So if I think about it and I haven't seen where the tanks are

1811
03:27:42,940 --> 03:27:49,620
going to be placed yet, that would be good to know. And all the first thing that we have to do

1812
03:27:49,620 --> 03:27:57,120
on our system, especially for the ridge, to keep the tri-how or methane from forming. If you see

1813
03:27:57,120 --> 03:28:05,460
water running down Guadalupe. That's all be deverted to a tank. So we're claimed water.

1814
03:28:06,340 --> 03:28:11,820
You know, at the more web or host company out there on industrial and antiquated system,

1815
03:28:12,060 --> 03:28:18,060
spring box, they were getting 50 gallons of water a minute. Can you imagine if you have

1816
03:28:18,060 --> 03:28:24,460
an engineer to bring box for the rep? Well, there's no contamination for the rep going towards

1817
03:28:24,460 --> 03:28:32,380
make sure main street wherever and how to solar pump and pump into that tank and how

1818
03:28:32,380 --> 03:28:39,100
to water that we're fishing down the drain that if it weren't to have a tap it would

1819
03:28:39,100 --> 03:28:45,960
be great but it really just flows to the bay how to go into tanks instead of just letting

1820
03:28:45,960 --> 03:28:51,360
go down the drain go to this tank so I'd like to know what the tank is I'd like to know if

1821
03:28:51,360 --> 03:28:59,960
You could do that, that connection that they have for MSFPUC on Main Street, because all

1822
03:28:59,960 --> 03:29:05,060
of the tank farm and supplies the tank farm with copious amounts of water.

1823
03:29:05,600 --> 03:29:13,600
I believe it's a 16-inch water main, the one we have on tunnel is a 12-inch water main,

1824
03:29:13,600 --> 03:29:19,760
but that comes off of the distribution end of septus goes PUC system so that hasn't

1825
03:29:19,760 --> 03:29:24,600
effect of the neighborhood, but the one that comes off the main street comes off the supply

1826
03:29:24,600 --> 03:29:31,000
land of the Christmas brings right by one and two, which is copious amounts of water.

1827
03:29:33,100 --> 03:29:39,900
So that very few people have, only municipal customers have that.

1828
03:29:40,360 --> 03:29:49,120
They haven't a municipal look up on the supply and the SFPUC system, so I guess that's it.

1829
03:29:49,120 --> 03:29:50,320
Thank you.

1830
03:29:51,100 --> 03:29:57,400
Stephanie, or team over there, do you have an answer to his question about where the line comes in?

1831
03:29:59,170 --> 03:29:59,970
And if you don't, that's a...

1832
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:02,920
Okay, just if you do, we can,

1833
03:30:05,040 --> 03:30:08,400
we don't, but we can come back with a map at the next meeting with us.

1834
03:30:08,400 --> 03:30:09,880
Okay, that'd be great. Thank you.

1835
03:30:09,920 --> 03:30:14,740
Our engineers are not here tonight. Okay. Put it on the list.

1836
03:30:16,200 --> 03:30:17,760
Karen Cunningham, please.

1837
03:30:26,340 --> 03:30:30,060
Madam Mayor, City Council, most of my questions have been answered.

1838
03:30:30,740 --> 03:30:34,860
I just have a couple of things that I really want to bring up.

1839
03:30:34,860 --> 03:30:43,140
A clarification regarding the specific plan and when you approve it, what if some of these things

1840
03:30:43,140 --> 03:30:46,960
that we're talking about tonight relative to water change?

1841
03:30:48,000 --> 03:30:53,180
So once you've done the specific plan, my question there is, then what happens?

1842
03:30:53,640 --> 03:30:59,620
If something happens relative to the water supply, whatever it is, can we change the specific plan

1843
03:30:59,620 --> 03:31:00,640
after you approve it?

1844
03:31:01,660 --> 03:31:05,920
I think this probably quite a few people would be wanting to know that answer.

1845
03:31:07,520 --> 03:31:09,560
So I'm getting three nods.

1846
03:31:10,660 --> 03:31:13,720
Can staff extra address that?

1847
03:31:16,960 --> 03:31:17,100
Yes.

1848
03:31:18,520 --> 03:31:28,040
So it's definitely possible to amend the specific plan to account for future changes, future conditions.

1849
03:31:28,040 --> 03:31:36,120
And you have to the extent that future discretionary approvals entering into a water supply

1850
03:31:36,120 --> 03:31:43,640
agreement or other actions are different than what was contemplated in the EIR.

1851
03:31:43,860 --> 03:31:49,320
Our C-Coreb requires in analysis of whether those changes have triggered new or more severe

1852
03:31:49,320 --> 03:31:50,580
environmental impacts.

1853
03:31:50,740 --> 03:31:58,000
So not only do you have the opportunity to change the plan, but if those changes increase

1854
03:31:58,000 --> 03:32:03,200
the environmental effects, the SQL requires additional analysis of those changes as well.

1855
03:32:04,020 --> 03:32:05,220
Thank you.

1856
03:32:06,400 --> 03:32:10,160
And then I'm just going to play Devils Advocate for a minute because we've been done this

1857
03:32:10,160 --> 03:32:11,380
road before.

1858
03:32:12,040 --> 03:32:14,300
The developers responsible for all the water facilities.

1859
03:32:14,780 --> 03:32:19,120
So again, what's the contingency in the event that the developers financial

1860
03:32:19,120 --> 03:32:24,900
insolvency or other financial issues cause a problem?

1861
03:32:24,900 --> 03:32:32,280
what if the project is half built or abandoned, and we're halfway through a water supply

1862
03:32:33,020 --> 03:32:44,400
building whatever it is. That is of concern to me, and I'm sure that is of concern to other people as well, and I'll just use a couple of local illustrations to that point

1863
03:32:44,400 --> 03:32:49,700
I know Council in the last couple of years has changed some of the the rules relative to

1864
03:32:49,700 --> 03:32:55,760
to projects being built within the city residential projects, probably the commercial projects

1865
03:32:55,760 --> 03:32:59,000
as well, that the infrastructure gets done first.

1866
03:32:59,620 --> 03:33:06,340
But even with those changes to some of our local laws, we have two projects right now that

1867
03:33:06,340 --> 03:33:16,560
are ones and I saw that was abandoned a couple of years ago and I see a fairly big problem

1868
03:33:16,560 --> 03:33:26,300
at a project up on top of a cemetery lane relative to when grading is done, what infrastructure

1869
03:33:26,300 --> 03:33:34,140
is in place, et cetera. So given that even locally in our residential areas so we can still

1870
03:33:34,140 --> 03:33:40,620
have these problems with changing laws, it is a concern and I think a lot of people would

1871
03:33:40,620 --> 03:33:46,380
find it a concern that what if given that we know there has been some financial problems with

1872
03:33:46,380 --> 03:33:53,280
develop our up-to-date, what do we do if something goes south there? That's probably not a question

1873
03:33:53,280 --> 03:33:57,220
that you can answer off the top of your head, but it is my question. Thank you.

1874
03:33:57,380 --> 03:33:57,560
Okay.

1875
03:34:00,750 --> 03:34:07,230
Staff want to respond to that? Any assurances or mechanisms that could be employed?

1876
03:34:08,590 --> 03:34:10,870
And if you want to get back to us, that's okay too.

1877
03:34:10,870 --> 03:34:19,470
way to certainly the as individual tentative maps are approved in conjunction with the

1878
03:34:19,470 --> 03:34:23,910
infrastructure that serves those. The city would require public improvement agreements

1879
03:34:23,910 --> 03:34:31,970
and security to ensure that those are able to be completed and delivered. So, I

1880
03:34:31,970 --> 03:34:37,230
am theme with the comments that you've heard today to make sure that the infrastructure

1881
03:34:37,230 --> 03:34:43,410
that serving that individual bit of planned development is able to be completed and delivered

1882
03:34:43,410 --> 03:34:48,770
to support, you know, that specific development that's looking to move forward.

1883
03:34:49,230 --> 03:34:52,270
And when you say security, are you referencing a bond?

1884
03:34:52,590 --> 03:34:53,390
Yes, that's correct.

1885
03:34:55,480 --> 03:34:56,020
Chris Severs.

1886
03:35:02,090 --> 03:35:02,870
Hi, Chris Severs.

1887
03:35:03,910 --> 03:35:10,670
I want to ask about something that Michelle brought up and that is what this water treatment facility

1888
03:35:10,670 --> 03:35:19,390
or sewer treatment, plant is actually going to be like and whether it is going to be something

1889
03:35:19,390 --> 03:35:28,470
that has outdoor facilities that emit odors, looking at where it is situated in the EIR.

1890
03:35:28,810 --> 03:35:36,270
There's a perspective site, it's about a mile from Lippman School, it's a mile from houses on

1891
03:35:36,270 --> 03:35:42,870
bridge, and I just want to know how we're going to assure that it's not stinky.

1892
03:35:43,670 --> 03:35:47,790
I mean, Brisbane has a reputation for being a town that had a dump and was stinky.

1893
03:35:48,250 --> 03:35:49,830
I really don't think we want that again.

1894
03:35:50,210 --> 03:35:53,210
And I know I discussed this with Council Member Lens.

1895
03:35:53,730 --> 03:35:57,890
And he said, oh, there can be these wonderful new plants.

1896
03:35:58,270 --> 03:36:02,790
For example, what's down at Google, and there's no odor from it.

1897
03:36:02,790 --> 03:36:06,310
And that I think does 85,000 gallons a day.

1898
03:36:06,570 --> 03:36:08,230
We're talking about a million gallons a day.

1899
03:36:08,670 --> 03:36:11,270
That is fully enclosed and has air filters.

1900
03:36:11,590 --> 03:36:13,910
I don't think you're doing that for a million gallons a day.

1901
03:36:13,930 --> 03:36:14,490
It's open.

1902
03:36:14,910 --> 03:36:15,770
It is open.

1903
03:36:17,450 --> 03:36:20,110
So I just wanted to know, what kind of insurance is we're going to have?

1904
03:36:20,410 --> 03:36:25,910
They're going to get a state of the art plan that is not going to make this city once again,

1905
03:36:25,910 --> 03:36:27,990
you know, the city that's famous for its stink.

1906
03:36:28,870 --> 03:36:29,790
Thank you.

1907
03:36:29,950 --> 03:36:30,610
Thank you.

1908
03:36:33,120 --> 03:36:33,960
Robin Leider?

1909
03:36:41,830 --> 03:36:43,350
Well, thank you.

1910
03:36:43,950 --> 03:36:47,650
My conversation has changed since I've been sitting here.

1911
03:36:49,290 --> 03:36:51,270
I didn't know there's a will serve letter.

1912
03:36:52,290 --> 03:36:58,270
So if there's a will serve letter, I would love to have the public have an opportunity to see that.

1913
03:36:58,790 --> 03:37:06,590
So all I found in the EIR is a non-binding letter that was signed, I guess, in about October of 22,

1914
03:37:07,250 --> 03:37:09,610
and by its terms it's now expired.

1915
03:37:09,610 --> 03:37:16,210
So that non-binding letter is no longer valid, but if you have a willster of letter, that would be

1916
03:37:16,690 --> 03:37:21,870
something that would be significant. And generally with a willster of letter, generally comes a term

1917
03:37:21,870 --> 03:37:28,930
sheet about what the cow water is expecting from you and what you're expecting from cow water. So it

1918
03:37:28,930 --> 03:37:29,970
would be helpful for the public.

1919
03:37:30,000 --> 03:37:39,460
To also see what the term sheet is. I mean, I'm fascinated who's going to pay for the water treatment facility.

1920
03:37:40,180 --> 03:37:51,100
You know, I think it's like for it's like $15 million. So, is that what is the developer making a commitment that that he's going to do that and put up the money for it?

1921
03:37:51,100 --> 03:37:56,680
And then again, I come to the point that then we also have to say in that sustainability zone,

1922
03:37:57,160 --> 03:38:01,920
they have to be remediating it so we can put the water treatment plant there, if that's

1923
03:38:01,920 --> 03:38:03,140
where we're going to put it.

1924
03:38:03,480 --> 03:38:09,300
So I think there's things that, oh, the other thing is, I would imagine the offset program

1925
03:38:09,300 --> 03:38:14,220
is that you pay cow water money to get the potable water in addition to paying for the water.

1926
03:38:14,740 --> 03:38:20,220
So I'd like to understand that part too, is that what the offset program is, that the developer

1927
03:38:20,220 --> 03:38:24,420
has to pay an additional fee to get the water during this inter-imperiod.

1928
03:38:24,880 --> 03:38:30,360
So I just like to understand better the financing of this to see how it's going to work

1929
03:38:30,360 --> 03:38:34,820
and how we're going to wish to be assured that actually this happens.

1930
03:38:37,080 --> 03:38:42,140
So what I wanted to talk about was the water using for dust control and

1931
03:38:42,140 --> 03:38:45,920
and co-sold compaction and concrete work.

1932
03:38:46,400 --> 03:38:51,820
Because what I understand now is nobody's going to use, I'm sorry,

1933
03:38:52,400 --> 03:38:57,800
BDI is not going to use bus lane water that they're going to use the San Francisco water.

1934
03:38:57,860 --> 03:38:59,100
That's what I heard tonight.

1935
03:39:00,960 --> 03:39:04,380
And it says in the EIR that they're going to use,

1936
03:39:04,380 --> 03:39:09,900
I think, 16.6 acre feet for those purposes.

1937
03:39:09,900 --> 03:39:11,860
And that's what they currently use.

1938
03:39:11,940 --> 03:39:15,140
And I think that's what maybe Stephanie was alluding to.

1939
03:39:15,820 --> 03:39:18,520
Well, I went to the EPA, and I looked at what they think,

1940
03:39:18,540 --> 03:39:24,000
just the desk control for 640 trucks would be if that's what it is.

1941
03:39:24,760 --> 03:39:26,920
And it would be 10 times that much.

1942
03:39:27,420 --> 03:39:31,120
So I think before we kind of assume that that can happen,

1943
03:39:31,520 --> 03:39:34,980
we really need to have a water supply study for the

1944
03:39:34,980 --> 03:39:37,940
desk control, the soil, compaction, and the concrete work.

1945
03:39:38,980 --> 03:39:59,730
And then your staff report it actually says that they are going to get to use our water for dust control on page nine of your report it says water for dust control during remediation construction water will be used the existing Brisbane water system.

1946
03:40:00,610 --> 03:40:06,690
And even if my numbers aren't exactly correct and I'm not claiming they're correct that would be 25% of our water supply.

1947
03:40:06,690 --> 03:40:07,550
So,

1948
03:40:09,680 --> 03:40:16,620
and I guess the other part that bothers me is the staff report says that J.J. allows this

1949
03:40:16,620 --> 03:40:22,140
to happen because they would allow this until the first building permit.

1950
03:40:22,780 --> 03:40:30,800
The J.J. says site development and I can't understand how grading, desk control, concrete

1951
03:40:30,800 --> 03:40:36,460
work or solvent compaction is not site development and J.J. says that they need their own

1952
03:40:36,460 --> 03:40:46,260
water for those purposes. So those are my main questions and I think the water supply

1953
03:40:46,260 --> 03:40:53,340
for this, those purposes should segregate out soil hauling, water for excavation,

1954
03:40:53,840 --> 03:41:01,520
water for soil compaction, and should this and for peat daily amounts. And you know,

1955
03:41:01,640 --> 03:41:06,440
we did a whole thing about sustainability. I would like to see the Council actually say

1956
03:41:06,440 --> 03:41:09,480
that they should use non-potable water for these purposes.

1957
03:41:10,160 --> 03:41:12,060
Why should anybody's water supply

1958
03:41:12,060 --> 03:41:13,320
be used for these purposes?

1959
03:41:14,540 --> 03:41:15,620
I thank you very much.

1960
03:41:16,300 --> 03:41:19,340
You know, Madam, Madam, OK, you know,

1961
03:41:20,300 --> 03:41:23,160
she asked some really great questions.

1962
03:41:23,320 --> 03:41:25,520
I mean, I'm just sorry, you know,

1963
03:41:25,560 --> 03:41:26,960
interrupt a little bit of your questions.

1964
03:41:27,260 --> 03:41:28,400
There were a lot of questions.

1965
03:41:28,500 --> 03:41:31,140
There were two big ones that I hope

1966
03:41:31,140 --> 03:41:33,680
that we can have staff, you know, answer.

1967
03:41:34,580 --> 03:41:38,720
But if you want to do the last couple of, I'd like to get folks

1968
03:41:38,720 --> 03:41:40,180
Yeah, and then come back.

1969
03:41:40,220 --> 03:41:41,800
Because then you can ask those.

1970
03:41:42,200 --> 03:41:43,080
Okay, thank you.

1971
03:41:43,200 --> 03:41:43,840
Michael Barnes.

1972
03:41:53,780 --> 03:41:54,880
Good evening, Mayor and Council.

1973
03:41:54,900 --> 03:41:55,820
My name is Michael Barnes.

1974
03:41:55,920 --> 03:41:56,800
I'm a businessman resident.

1975
03:41:58,120 --> 03:42:03,640
I've long thought that since you are the agency responsible for the water on the baylands,

1976
03:42:03,920 --> 03:42:05,060
it should be your water.

1977
03:42:05,180 --> 03:42:06,260
It should be municipal water.

1978
03:42:06,460 --> 03:42:09,100
It shouldn't be coming from a private corporation.

1979
03:42:09,100 --> 03:42:17,020
And I know the back in March of 2020, when the notice of preparation meeting was held in this very room,

1980
03:42:18,100 --> 03:42:25,360
you had on your desk an offer from Oakdale to acquire water directly from Oakdale.

1981
03:42:26,000 --> 03:42:28,160
And at that meeting six and a half years ago I said,

1982
03:42:28,340 --> 03:42:30,800
I am excited about the Oakdale water transfer,

1983
03:42:31,380 --> 03:42:37,700
and suggest there are local politicians should be working on our state to provide the transfer of the water.

1984
03:42:37,700 --> 03:42:49,660
If the state wants us to build housing, the state must facilitate water transfer, I still feel that way today that the city of Brisbane should be supplying the water to this because then you can control everything, it's your system.

1985
03:42:50,420 --> 03:43:04,520
The proposal we're hearing tonight seems to me to have more questions and answers and a great deal of additional complexity than simply acquiring water somewhere else in the state for the city of Brisbane. Thank you.

1986
03:43:04,520 --> 03:43:12,340
Okay, and we can circle back on that as well if you'd be ready to answer that about Oakdale.

1987
03:43:13,800 --> 03:43:14,840
Alley Sepherman?

1988
03:43:15,320 --> 03:43:15,840
Good

1989
03:43:23,300 --> 03:43:26,860
evening again, Mayor and Council members, my name's Alley Saperman, and I'm speaking

1990
03:43:26,860 --> 03:43:28,440
on behalf of the Housing Action Coalition.

1991
03:43:29,180 --> 03:43:32,440
The Baylands is designed to be a model for responsible water use in the region.

1992
03:43:33,040 --> 03:43:35,300
Water conservation and new housing go hand in hand.

1993
03:43:35,660 --> 03:43:40,480
The Baylands shows that a well-designed project can add homes while using water responsibly.

1994
03:43:40,480 --> 03:43:47,120
It's drainage improvements, water recycling facility, and conservation strategies benefit both the project and broader community.

1995
03:43:47,700 --> 03:43:51,880
The project's open space network improves water flow and creates new habitat areas.

1996
03:43:52,600 --> 03:43:59,180
Infield development like the Baylands is a smarter, more sustainable way to grow, building on a former industrial site protects undeveloped landscapes,

1997
03:43:59,960 --> 03:44:02,220
and the region's natural water resources.

1998
03:44:02,220 --> 03:44:07,120
The project's Waters apply and drainage have been studied in depth through its environmental review.

1999
03:44:07,440 --> 03:44:10,620
That analysis is done and the bail-ins is ready to move forward.

2000
03:44:11,260 --> 03:44:14,640
Brisbane should be encouraging this kind of development not stalling it.

2001
03:44:14,900 --> 03:44:15,660
Thank you.

2002
03:44:17,560 --> 03:44:21,490
Stores here or online?

2003
03:44:23,410 --> 03:44:24,490
Stores go ahead.

2004
03:44:28,740 --> 03:44:35,280
So I had several comments that are actually pretty similar to what Robin mentioned.

2005
03:44:35,280 --> 03:44:40,700
And, in general, it comes back to a question that many of the council have thought about

2006
03:44:40,700 --> 03:44:41,280
this.

2007
03:44:41,740 --> 03:44:47,080
What are the reasons for the developer to remediate the landfill for water recycling?

2008
03:44:47,780 --> 03:44:55,280
If this is happening after all of the substantial building has occurred, it doesn't seem

2009
03:44:55,280 --> 03:44:59,500
like there's some, they can do it.

2010
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:10,120
Obvious cost benefit analysis for development, for remediating the landfill and also preparing the

2011
03:45:11,560 --> 03:45:18,300
water recycling plant. And then also coming back to the question of who is building the

2012
03:45:18,300 --> 03:45:25,420
water recycling plant? Who's responsible for those funds? And who makes the money from it? And

2013
03:45:25,420 --> 03:45:39,780
Is the person who builds the water recycling plant then liable for the remediation going forward and any risks that occur?

2014
03:45:39,780 --> 03:45:50,700
And then the final question was, how much does the applicant, how much is the applicant's water rights,

2015
03:45:51,280 --> 03:46:04,380
that they already have relative to the 1100 or 1200 acre feet per year that the Baylands need?

2016
03:46:04,380 --> 03:46:10,480
So those were my questions. Thanks for calling on me and you guys are doing a really good job

2017
03:46:12,080 --> 03:46:15,120
Okay, thank you. I'm sitting clerk. Do we have anyone else?

2018
03:46:21,510 --> 03:46:22,850
No metamir. Okay,

2019
03:46:26,230 --> 03:46:30,790
going back to council questions. So I want I think very quickly

2020
03:46:32,930 --> 03:46:37,230
brought up by Michael Barnes about Oakdale. Stephanie could you address that?

2021
03:46:38,830 --> 03:46:41,410
That was quite a while ago.

2022
03:46:41,690 --> 03:46:45,710
Dales being considered by your predecessor, Greg Vilkin.

2023
03:46:46,870 --> 03:46:49,730
And as far as I know that went nowhere.

2024
03:46:52,570 --> 03:46:55,510
Yes, and in your correct manner, this was before my time.

2025
03:46:55,550 --> 03:46:59,190
And I think the deal had already sort of fallen through

2026
03:47:00,130 --> 03:47:02,570
when I came to the Baylands project.

2027
03:47:02,570 --> 03:47:12,330
And I can't, I will tell you that the DL was never consummated for reasons that I think

2028
03:47:12,330 --> 03:47:19,670
became very complicated of the delivery systems and also some environmental concerns about

2029
03:47:19,670 --> 03:47:20,650
that water.

2030
03:47:22,050 --> 03:47:26,810
But if you're really interested in the history, it just, it didn't, it fell apart.

2031
03:47:27,310 --> 03:47:31,810
But if you're really interested, I can piece that history back together for you.

2032
03:47:31,810 --> 03:47:38,590
was just never it was and I think maybe some council numbers may have even more history with

2033
03:47:38,590 --> 03:47:49,670
that project then I do but it was it was it was never fully agreed upon by all the parties

2034
03:47:49,670 --> 03:47:55,430
and it was it was a very complicated deal to begin with yeah I'm not sure we need to go down

2035
03:47:55,430 --> 03:48:01,090
the rabbit hole but it was a time where the state was looking at agricultural water being

2036
03:48:01,090 --> 03:48:01,770
we sold.

2037
03:48:02,690 --> 03:48:03,730
That was part of it.

2038
03:48:03,910 --> 03:48:07,930
I mean, the issue where the state said you can't do this, because the agricultural

2039
03:48:07,930 --> 03:48:13,470
water supplies were dwindling and they didn't know much about it at the 90s.

2040
03:48:13,470 --> 03:48:14,750
Someone was selling you out.

2041
03:48:15,850 --> 03:48:16,570
Thank you.

2042
03:48:17,210 --> 03:48:17,990
All right.

2043
03:48:18,370 --> 03:48:20,110
Back to council question.

2044
03:48:20,890 --> 03:48:29,170
I wonder if it makes sense to just touch base with them.

2045
03:48:29,790 --> 03:48:38,590
Now, and see if circumstances has changed yet again or whether there's, you know, to

2046
03:48:38,590 --> 03:48:41,910
confirm that there's still no longer interest.

2047
03:48:46,910 --> 03:48:48,270
It's just more of a suggestion.

2048
03:48:48,950 --> 03:48:49,890
I mean, we can look at it.

2049
03:48:49,990 --> 03:48:56,050
I do believe that the, um, it was the 12th of me, Prince of the 12th of me, River, that

2050
03:48:56,050 --> 03:49:00,770
came in to oppose that transfer at the end of the day.

2051
03:49:02,910 --> 03:49:13,810
for a, for a, for a myriad of environmental reasons, and we can, I'm happy to go back to the history and look at it. But it was also very just a very complicated deal.

2052
03:49:14,190 --> 03:49:25,210
It had to go between different reservoirs that are governed by the S of PUC, they had to do the conveyance, and it, it started getting sticky from where I left off of it.

2053
03:49:25,710 --> 03:49:30,490
Yes. Yeah. And I, and I, and I believe that it was at the, the,

2054
03:49:32,730 --> 03:49:43,010
it was the city that asked us to drop the deal at that time. Yeah. Okay, thank you.

2055
03:49:44,250 --> 03:49:48,770
Um, they're pro time Davis. Do you still have questions? You said no, but have you now?

2056
03:49:50,130 --> 03:49:55,930
No, I mean, you know, Robin had like a great list of questions. I would just, you know,

2057
03:49:55,930 --> 03:50:04,410
ask maybe you submit those to staff, I know Cliff is gonna talk about a couple, but maybe we can get those.

2058
03:50:04,950 --> 03:50:06,990
I can answer a few of those if you'd like.

2059
03:50:07,210 --> 03:50:07,790
Yeah, that would be great.

2060
03:50:08,030 --> 03:50:08,270
Sure.

2061
03:50:09,170 --> 03:50:14,330
So there's a question about the treatment plant and the phasing and remediation.

2062
03:50:14,830 --> 03:50:17,810
So that's part of the initial phase of the project.

2063
03:50:19,230 --> 03:50:23,910
So we can take a closer look at that phasing and how that works with the different parties,

2064
03:50:23,910 --> 03:50:28,750
but it would be pretty early on and it could be done as part of the remediation.

2065
03:50:29,570 --> 03:50:33,750
With respect to the utility letter of understanding, there's no expiration.

2066
03:50:34,110 --> 03:50:37,470
It's an unbinding letter that was signed.

2067
03:50:38,190 --> 03:50:41,930
So there's things that would need to happen for it to take into effect.

2068
03:50:42,090 --> 03:50:46,910
There's other triggers and we can go into those details at a later time,

2069
03:50:47,910 --> 03:50:50,370
but because it's not binding, there's no expiration on that.

2070
03:50:50,370 --> 03:51:05,550
And then as far as the concerns with the availability of the Wolster of Letter, I've spoken to the speaker and many others with respect to that document, so that I've had a lot of conversations with all the different folks that not document exists.

2071
03:51:06,010 --> 03:51:14,410
Otherwise, this specific plan would be very challenging to move forward without that, without that Wolster of Letter.

2072
03:51:14,410 --> 03:51:20,950
Can also you address Chris Evers question about stinkiness, projected stinkiness?

2073
03:51:22,690 --> 03:51:24,890
So we might expect there.

2074
03:51:25,170 --> 03:51:25,410
Sure.

2075
03:51:25,530 --> 03:51:32,510
I mean, there's a lot of technologies that will address odors for, not just recycled water facilities,

2076
03:51:32,670 --> 03:51:35,070
but wastewater facilities, any treatment facility.

2077
03:51:36,210 --> 03:51:42,230
So yes, although the Google campus that we were able to tour is a much smaller facility,

2078
03:51:42,230 --> 03:51:49,290
Ultimately, it does have all of this order capture devices and there's waste of scale that up.

2079
03:51:50,630 --> 03:51:57,330
So, and again, that would be part of the environmental review of any project of that scale that would make sure that

2080
03:51:57,330 --> 03:52:01,610
it does not have adverse impacts to the environment, including small.

2081
03:52:02,630 --> 03:52:06,010
May I also chime in here in terms of voters?

2082
03:52:06,010 --> 03:52:13,430
The EIR actually has four separate mitigation measures that are back-med or the Bay Area

2083
03:52:13,430 --> 03:52:20,190
Air District has regulation seven that controls odors and we have four distinct mitigation measures

2084
03:52:20,190 --> 03:52:29,830
that have a whole menu of odor reducing mechanisms to ensure that there is no odor emission from the water.

2085
03:52:30,000 --> 03:52:31,200
Scycling facility.

2086
03:52:35,500 --> 03:52:35,640
Okay.

2087
03:52:40,160 --> 03:52:45,400
Council member Lens. Yeah. You know, Robin, you had a couple of, if you

2088
03:52:45,400 --> 03:52:52,620
would mind coming back up, please, if you have your questions with you, do you have that, your

2089
03:52:52,620 --> 03:53:00,360
questions that you had asked or there was a, I apologize, I didn't write it down. Oh, let me

2090
03:53:00,360 --> 03:53:02,580
Yes, if you went mine. Thank you

2091
03:53:16,180 --> 03:53:24,100
It was it was towards the end. It wasn't the last question or maybe in the second last but I think that third or to last

2092
03:53:26,190 --> 03:53:31,850
Wow, I'm sorry, and you know if you want we could just you know, it just like

2093
03:53:33,650 --> 03:53:35,470
She's so quick

2094
03:53:41,310 --> 03:53:43,680
Right it

2095
03:53:43,680 --> 03:53:50,020
this. You can, we'll connect afterwards. Okay. Okay. Thank you. And could I ask a question?

2096
03:53:50,500 --> 03:53:58,920
Oh, never mind. I'll ask. Okay. So, Council Member Lens, did you have a question? I do. Okay.

2097
03:53:59,500 --> 03:53:59,780
Let's see.

2098
03:54:08,920 --> 03:54:15,160
Do you want me to come back to you? I'm ready. So, it says that wastewater,

2099
03:54:15,520 --> 03:54:22,900
not needed for recycling, would go to SAPUC, Southeast Treatment Plant. So, is that the same

2100
03:54:22,900 --> 03:54:33,480
facility that currently treats Brisbane's effluent. That is correct. Okay. And I've read

2101
03:54:33,480 --> 03:54:43,000
where there is a need for Brisbane's effluent for the water recycling facility in

2102
03:54:43,000 --> 03:54:47,560
the early stages. Is that still part of the requirement?

2103
03:54:48,240 --> 03:54:48,840
Yeah,

2104
03:54:51,920 --> 03:55:10,660
for the full buildout of bail-ins, it would take some time. So the effluent to be able to start operating a plant would be required earlier than full buildout and therefore additional effluent from BSD and as well as the city would be able to support that need.

2105
03:55:11,500 --> 03:55:12,300
Okay, so then.

2106
03:55:12,320 --> 03:55:13,800
Is this another question?

2107
03:55:13,800 --> 03:55:14,660
Okay, you know, you're right.

2108
03:55:14,880 --> 03:55:15,220
Okay, ma'am.

2109
03:55:15,740 --> 03:55:16,040
Okay.

2110
03:55:16,600 --> 03:55:18,260
You sneak in them in there on me.

2111
03:55:18,260 --> 03:55:19,000
I'll sneak in it, ma'am.

2112
03:55:19,000 --> 03:55:19,520
Well, we're all right.

2113
03:55:19,520 --> 03:55:19,560
We're all right.

2114
03:55:20,020 --> 03:55:20,380
I know.

2115
03:55:20,820 --> 03:55:22,320
I got those two.

2116
03:55:22,320 --> 03:55:23,160
I got these two.

2117
03:55:23,720 --> 03:55:23,980
Okay.

2118
03:55:24,760 --> 03:55:25,540
Councilmember Kern.

2119
03:55:27,790 --> 03:55:29,090
As indicated, I have no more questions.

2120
03:55:29,270 --> 03:55:29,550
Okay.

2121
03:55:29,730 --> 03:55:31,150
Thank you.

2122
03:55:31,310 --> 03:55:32,230
Councilmember O'Connell.

2123
03:55:33,730 --> 03:55:35,050
This is a question for Stephanie.

2124
03:55:37,190 --> 03:55:42,830
You said you don't, you have a water, a lot, but it's not exactly a water

2125
03:55:42,830 --> 03:55:49,950
a lot, but it's an existing use amount. What is that use amount that you're allowed at this moment?

2126
03:55:50,250 --> 03:55:51,350
Do you know?

2127
03:55:52,830 --> 03:55:53,370
I mean,

2128
03:55:56,010 --> 03:55:58,050
yes, my engineer just text me that number.

2129
03:55:58,610 --> 03:56:04,910
Okay. And then also, that is to use service existing customers at this moment.

2130
03:56:05,530 --> 03:56:12,430
And most of those existing customers are going to be continuing to use water during the initial phases.

2131
03:56:12,430 --> 03:56:19,590
Yes. So how will you use that? How much extra water do you have?

2132
03:56:21,630 --> 03:56:31,150
Let's see. Right now we are using roughly 6 million gallons per year of water on the

2133
03:56:31,150 --> 03:56:36,370
balance with our existing SFP, or SFP you see water.

2134
03:56:37,410 --> 03:56:44,450
And how would you cut the water usage from existing uses without cutting those existing uses?

2135
03:56:47,310 --> 03:56:53,430
Well, a lot of that is on the rail yard site, so there's very limited.

2136
03:56:55,510 --> 03:57:02,270
I mean, we have more water we can use than our existing uses right now that we are allowed under our deed.

2137
03:57:02,810 --> 03:57:05,790
So do you have the amount that's allowed into your deed?

2138
03:57:06,010 --> 03:57:16,890
The amount is, and I'm sorry, I'm mixing units here, but our deed is 300,000 gallons per day.

2139
03:57:19,750 --> 03:57:22,190
So, and I apologize, I don't have the units straight.

2140
03:57:24,030 --> 03:57:28,590
But the last one I gave you was in MGDs, which is an alien.

2141
03:57:29,810 --> 03:57:45,930
But yeah, I think the point is we've done these numbers and it's in our infrastructure plan and it's in the water supply assessment that shows our existing water and construction numbers and that we can meet that with our existing water uses.

2142
03:57:45,930 --> 03:57:54,390
Okay, thank you, you know. Yeah. And if I may just final question for staff, the current

2143
03:57:54,390 --> 03:58:02,250
baby and industrial, are they using Brisbane sewer? Are they getting bills from Brisbane?

2144
03:58:03,530 --> 03:58:10,190
I believe that they're getting bills from BST. Okay, for not, so not for Brisbane. Correct.

2145
03:58:10,470 --> 03:58:15,890
Okay, thank you. Okay. Oh, it's cracked to me.

2146
03:58:15,930 --> 03:58:16,890
All right.

2147
03:58:19,730 --> 03:58:30,470
If the 45 acres high-speed rail, the light maintenance facility are not set aside how will you deal with the water retention?

2148
03:58:39,830 --> 03:58:43,990
I'll let staff also speak to that, because there is some commentary about that in the EIR.

2149
03:58:45,110 --> 03:58:56,550
My honorist standing is that their proposal would be to find other detention areas throughout the property, and then possibly to include some sort of mechanical pump type system to manage.

2150
03:58:56,550 --> 03:59:06,210
storm water. However, we would prefer to use the full detention basin approach to float to

2151
03:59:06,210 --> 03:59:08,290
visitation creek and then into the bay.

2152
03:59:11,910 --> 03:59:16,330
Okay. Mayor Proto. Sorry, Stephanie. Do you mind providing

2153
03:59:16,330 --> 03:59:23,570
clarification on what you just said about the amount of water you have? Did I understand that you said

2154
03:59:23,570 --> 03:59:32,290
300,000 gallons a day or is that a month a day. That's our that's our deed. That's your

2155
03:59:32,290 --> 03:59:38,030
alignment but that's not what you're consuming. Exactly. But you're consuming six million a year.

2156
03:59:39,130 --> 03:59:44,950
Right. And so then what do you know what your annual allotment is then you mean our annual use?

2157
03:59:45,230 --> 03:59:50,650
I do. Can I come back to you because I can't do these numbers because I just think I was six.

2158
03:59:50,650 --> 03:59:59,970
I was seeing 300,000 a day, but 6 million a year, that's 20, it's like

2159
04:00:00,000 --> 04:00:15,100
But 20 days worth, so I was just, yeah, we're not using our full, a lot meant. Okay, so, but, but it's there, it'd be good to know what your full, a lot meant is.

2160
04:00:15,100 --> 04:00:27,620
Your full, a lot meant is in our deed agreement. And then what you're, and our current existing uses, and again, all of this is in both the water supply assessment agreement and our water technical memo.

2161
04:00:27,620 --> 04:00:30,540
So I can bring those numbers back to you that are harder and faster.

2162
04:00:30,540 --> 04:00:31,720
Okay, so yeah.

2163
04:00:31,720 --> 04:00:32,620
Thank you.

2164
04:00:33,680 --> 04:00:34,160
Okay.

2165
04:00:36,740 --> 04:00:39,000
We're nearing the end of our time here.

2166
04:00:39,620 --> 04:00:43,920
So council member Lens, I don't know how many more questions, but we would have to extend the meeting.

2167
04:00:43,980 --> 04:00:44,780
Let's wrap it up.

2168
04:00:44,860 --> 04:00:45,240
You know what?

2169
04:00:45,300 --> 04:00:46,560
I got plenty.

2170
04:00:47,040 --> 04:00:51,840
And so why don't we just, you know, move water to the next meeting.

2171
04:00:51,840 --> 04:00:52,260
Okay.

2172
04:00:52,480 --> 04:00:58,140
I don't think we have a ton of questions, but I think we need you.

2173
04:00:58,140 --> 04:01:01,220
Do you have mayor and how much do you have council on real call?

2174
04:01:01,740 --> 04:01:03,580
I have no more questions at this time.

2175
04:01:03,740 --> 04:01:05,600
I only have maybe one or two.

2176
04:01:05,900 --> 04:01:10,340
But you just ask yours and then the rest are all close next time.

2177
04:01:10,720 --> 04:01:12,980
Well, we would have to extend the meeting.

2178
04:01:13,800 --> 04:01:16,140
I don't know how many council members have.

2179
04:01:17,040 --> 04:01:19,680
I will make a motion to extend the meeting 15 minutes.

2180
04:01:20,020 --> 04:01:23,580
That way, maybe cow water doesn't need to come back for next time.

2181
04:01:24,480 --> 04:01:25,300
How are you?

2182
04:01:25,300 --> 04:01:35,520
Second year often stick a council member McConnell, but I'll I'm being optimistic. Okay, so we have a motion on the table and a second all in favor. I

2183
04:01:35,520 --> 04:01:37,520
Anyone opposed no

2184
04:01:38,620 --> 04:01:40,240
All right, so

2185
04:01:42,920 --> 04:01:44,320
Okay, so

2186
04:01:45,880 --> 04:01:47,320
The the wastewater

2187
04:01:47,900 --> 04:01:53,670
You know, effluent that will come from the recycling facility would go to

2188
04:01:54,970 --> 04:02:05,190
the facility that is run by SAPUC. So and we've stated that the initial phase of the water

2189
04:02:05,190 --> 04:02:12,690
recycling facility would need Brisbane's water or sewage water. So the water

2190
04:02:12,690 --> 04:02:19,330
the F-lon goes to the recycling facility, the water is recycled and then our

2191
04:02:19,330 --> 04:02:28,450
affluent, it goes to S of PUC. So, is the city required to pay for that infrastructure to go

2192
04:02:28,450 --> 04:02:33,890
to that facility, and then from that facility is the city required to pay for the infrastructure

2193
04:02:33,890 --> 04:02:42,570
to go to S of PUC, and so that we can get charged the same high rates from S of PUC.

2194
04:02:43,390 --> 04:02:45,230
Do I have that, Ryan?

2195
04:02:46,050 --> 04:02:50,050
That's all part of the part of ongoing conversations and negotiations.

2196
04:02:50,950 --> 04:02:53,270
I mean infrastructure costs are one part.

2197
04:02:53,910 --> 04:03:00,360
You know, when that effluent, it's as we found out from the Google sidewalk,

2198
04:03:01,930 --> 04:03:04,650
you know, the, the, that recycling actually does,

2199
04:03:04,750 --> 04:03:09,430
it will stop pulling in off of the, you know, the wastewater lines.

2200
04:03:10,390 --> 04:03:15,210
So I think that's part of the,

2201
04:03:18,230 --> 04:03:23,250
Yeah, Scott, if you would want to come to the podium, please.

2202
04:03:23,250 --> 04:03:24,270
Is this another question?

2203
04:03:24,530 --> 04:03:25,070
Oh, I'm sorry.

2204
04:03:25,470 --> 04:03:26,250
You just like questions.

2205
04:03:26,450 --> 04:03:29,490
Oh, I thought it was a close lunch show here or something.

2206
04:03:29,810 --> 04:03:29,970
No, okay.

2207
04:03:30,510 --> 04:03:30,610
Sorry.

2208
04:03:31,050 --> 04:03:31,390
I apologize.

2209
04:03:32,030 --> 04:03:32,950
I'm getting a little punchy now.

2210
04:03:32,950 --> 04:03:33,410
Okay.

2211
04:03:35,170 --> 04:03:36,590
So I have a question.

2212
04:03:37,610 --> 04:03:42,330
With regard to cow water and my understanding and I could be wrong,

2213
04:03:42,650 --> 04:03:46,010
I don't know that cow waters entire supplies from Boska,

2214
04:03:46,010 --> 04:03:48,390
but I know you're a Bosca customer.

2215
04:03:50,410 --> 04:03:52,910
And since you're an SFP-USI customer,

2216
04:03:53,330 --> 04:03:57,950
we've seen the 84,000,

2217
04:03:58,170 --> 04:04:01,450
it may be higher, renalication to San Francisco.

2218
04:04:01,830 --> 04:04:05,170
And I've heard many pundits rumbling about

2219
04:04:06,310 --> 04:04:09,890
whether the SFP-USI can continue to provide

2220
04:04:09,890 --> 04:04:12,570
copious amounts of water to existing

2221
04:04:12,570 --> 04:04:15,090
and new customers and that was brought up tonight.

2222
04:04:16,010 --> 04:04:29,910
Are you also subject to the same rationing or reductions not drought related but supply related that would be applied to Bosco customers?

2223
04:04:30,110 --> 04:04:44,810
I don't know if you have an enormous allocation that you figure you can take on Brisbane or whether you're just figuring that you can kind of eat it out.

2224
04:04:45,830 --> 04:04:57,450
And you may have enough with the drought restrictions where you figure it's comfortable but in terms of the possibility that the PUC could reduce everybody's water.

2225
04:04:58,770 --> 04:05:04,430
Are you concerned about your allocation or that it could be changed?

2226
04:05:09,350 --> 04:05:10,710
It's a very good question.

2227
04:05:10,710 --> 04:05:16,030
And we have an agreement with the SEPUC through Bosca,

2228
04:05:16,130 --> 04:05:19,030
similar to Brisbane, for an individual supply guarantee

2229
04:05:19,030 --> 04:05:20,890
from the SEPUC.

2230
04:05:21,190 --> 04:05:23,310
Back to the question of normal years,

2231
04:05:23,410 --> 04:05:25,570
it would be defined as a non-drout year.

2232
04:05:25,690 --> 04:05:27,890
That's how you would explain a normal year.

2233
04:05:28,690 --> 04:05:33,590
We, as indicated in the water supply assessment,

2234
04:05:33,870 --> 04:05:39,170
recognize we fully utilize SEPUC water for this area

2235
04:05:39,170 --> 04:05:44,830
and we would be impacted in potential drought scenarios.

2236
04:05:46,070 --> 04:05:53,790
Now, we, in this report, identified that the additional demands for the Bayland-specific plan

2237
04:05:53,790 --> 04:06:03,090
would fit within the allotment that Kalater has in our individual supply guarantee agreement with the SAPUC.

2238
04:06:03,090 --> 04:06:08,650
So, we do believe that for normal conditions, we can take on the additional demands.

2239
04:06:09,450 --> 04:06:15,410
In the case of a single year drought or a multi year drought, the SAPUC would reduce their

2240
04:06:15,410 --> 04:06:18,050
supplies and we would be impacted by that.

2241
04:06:18,230 --> 04:06:23,370
That is where, if needed, we would make use of our water shortage contingency plan initiated

2242
04:06:23,370 --> 04:06:27,530
additional conservation measures to make sure that demands could be met.

2243
04:06:28,050 --> 04:06:28,350
Okay.

2244
04:06:28,370 --> 04:06:30,130
I think my question was a little different.

2245
04:06:30,210 --> 04:06:30,590
Okay.

2246
04:06:30,770 --> 04:06:30,950
I'm sorry.

2247
04:06:30,950 --> 04:06:37,750
Yeah, no that's okay. Yeah. Again, back to San Francisco and then starting to look at their own

2248
04:06:37,750 --> 04:06:43,670
water needs with increased population and buildings. They've had conversations that I've read

2249
04:06:43,670 --> 04:06:51,550
about them thinking they may have to reduce water, Bosca customers, a lotments. Have you had

2250
04:06:51,550 --> 04:06:58,630
those conversations with them? I guess I would answer it. We are very aware of those conversations

2251
04:06:58,630 --> 04:07:07,070
through the bus comedings, the agreements are, as they were originally signed in the fact that

2252
04:07:07,070 --> 04:07:16,110
they are required to provide a certain amount of water. If there is a drought, then they have certain

2253
04:07:16,110 --> 04:07:22,230
measures in place to be able to reduce that water supply. If they are looking to reduce their

2254
04:07:22,230 --> 04:07:28,610
water supplies, then that falls under the agreements with the wholesalers or the retailers in terms

2255
04:07:29,130 --> 04:07:29,970
adjustments, but it is...

2256
04:07:30,000 --> 04:07:33,700
It's point, we are not aware of adjustments to that water supply.

2257
04:07:34,240 --> 04:07:35,780
Okay. Thank you.

2258
04:07:35,780 --> 04:07:38,620
Okay. Thank you, Madam Mayor.

2259
04:07:39,400 --> 04:07:50,440
So, all right. So, Stephanie, BDI, you know, estimates that operation of the water recycling facility

2260
04:07:50,440 --> 04:08:00,340
would begin at 20% of billed out. Right. So, when then would the start of construction

2261
04:08:00,340 --> 04:08:02,620
of the facility begin.

2262
04:08:04,920 --> 04:08:08,600
You got to be up and run it in a 20% when do you start building?

2263
04:08:11,290 --> 04:08:15,890
When do we start building the water recycling facility? Yeah, right. So in this specific plan what we

2264
04:08:16,870 --> 04:08:24,910
what we discussed is our initial recycling facility that was our original plan was a

2265
04:08:24,910 --> 04:08:29,550
500,000 gallon per day water recycling facility because we have no source

2266
04:08:30,330 --> 04:08:36,010
then that couldn't come online until the bail-on development was 20% built out.

2267
04:08:36,570 --> 04:08:41,790
That's, that was the original plan and that is the plan if we, if we don't do the

2268
04:08:41,790 --> 04:08:47,570
cow water, water recycling facility, is that we would build our own water recycling facility for the

2269
04:08:47,570 --> 04:08:53,530
bail-ons. That would take 20% of the full build out what year that is. I mean, I mean,

2270
04:08:53,530 --> 04:08:58,430
depends on how fast we can build out. But you have to do the build out so you that you have

2271
04:08:58,430 --> 04:08:59,390
the supply.

2272
04:09:01,630 --> 04:09:06,470
We estimate, even though we'd get a very conservative estimate about the recycling

2273
04:09:06,470 --> 04:09:13,550
facility coming online in the WSA, Scott discussed, we do think that that project could

2274
04:09:13,550 --> 04:09:20,630
come online earlier than the 20% that our water recycling facility, if we did it alone,

2275
04:09:20,630 --> 04:09:23,410
that needed the 20% build-out.

2276
04:09:24,130 --> 04:09:27,890
So, did that answer your question?

2277
04:09:28,210 --> 04:09:30,450
So, let me ask you a follow-up then.

2278
04:09:30,770 --> 04:09:34,870
How long do you think it would take to build 20%.

2279
04:09:34,870 --> 04:09:38,390
Of the development phase, phase 1.

2280
04:09:38,790 --> 04:09:42,530
So, 20% of the full build-out is what the calculation is.

2281
04:09:42,910 --> 04:09:44,230
Not 20% of the phase 1.

2282
04:09:46,170 --> 04:09:47,870
So, 20% of the full build-out?

2283
04:09:48,130 --> 04:09:48,230
Yeah.

2284
04:09:48,230 --> 04:09:59,500
You know, that's probably 10 to 15 years ago, you know, to have enough effluent to actually

2285
04:09:59,500 --> 04:10:01,080
run a recycling facility.

2286
04:10:01,620 --> 04:10:07,520
That's our original water recycling facility plan, all right, again, with cow water in

2287
04:10:07,520 --> 04:10:12,320
the plan and as you've probably heard tonight, we're still negotiating and talking about,

2288
04:10:12,320 --> 04:10:16,920
you know, how that project comes together and how it's funded and how it's financed,

2289
04:10:16,920 --> 04:10:19,520
but the idea with the calorie cycling,

2290
04:10:19,680 --> 04:10:22,180
what it would be online earlier,

2291
04:10:22,780 --> 04:10:25,420
it wouldn't need to wait for the affluent for the balance.

2292
04:10:26,160 --> 04:10:28,080
Okay, do you know how long it would take

2293
04:10:28,080 --> 04:10:34,060
to build such facility to accommodate the 20% of full will now?

2294
04:10:34,500 --> 04:10:38,780
I mean, because you're talking about 10 to 15 years

2295
04:10:38,780 --> 04:10:42,380
of this 20% and these timelines keep getting

2296
04:10:42,380 --> 04:10:43,760
a longer and longer.

2297
04:10:44,480 --> 04:10:46,180
Well, it all depends on the market, right?

2298
04:10:46,180 --> 04:10:54,260
You cannot, you know, we can't, nobody has a crystal ball here, we think, you know, given, you know, we think the site is a great site for development.

2299
04:10:54,400 --> 04:11:02,540
We think once we get entitled, you know, that there is a lot of interest in the site and that the development will move at a, you know, a fairly quick pace.

2300
04:11:03,240 --> 04:11:10,240
But, you know, many of us in this room had lived through 2008, so sometimes there are hiccups in the real estate world.

2301
04:11:10,240 --> 04:11:15,580
And so it's hard to predict, yeah, it can give you a number of how long it's going to take

2302
04:11:15,580 --> 04:11:21,120
us to build out about 20 percent of the development, I can give you estimates at this point

2303
04:11:21,120 --> 04:11:21,680
in time.

2304
04:11:21,720 --> 04:11:26,700
Okay, but we know how long approximately it would take to build a facility to accommodate.

2305
04:11:27,220 --> 04:11:31,280
So can anybody in this room get water recycling facility, how long it takes to build a water

2306
04:11:31,280 --> 04:11:32,200
recycling facility?

2307
04:11:33,180 --> 04:11:38,420
Yes, to accommodate what 20 percent of the full build out would do.

2308
04:11:39,860 --> 04:11:43,580
to try and understand timing and when things would be built.

2309
04:11:44,500 --> 04:11:52,240
I mean, that's a good question. I think it's tough to speculate. I would assume a project like this, you know, you're looking at 12 to 18 months.

2310
04:11:52,820 --> 04:12:00,760
Whether this facility is faced or all built all at once, that will impact the schedule and the timeline as well.

2311
04:12:01,360 --> 04:12:07,460
This is a complicated construction build that's going to require a lot of time and effort.

2312
04:12:07,460 --> 04:12:14,760
So I would I would just roughly say 12 12 to 18 months from groundbreaking assuming you've got

2313
04:12:15,300 --> 04:12:16,940
definitely nothing else ready to go.

2314
04:12:18,980 --> 04:12:28,740
Okay, you know perhaps after cleanup. Yeah, so you know I'd like to as an item to put in a specific plan that

2315
04:12:29,760 --> 04:12:37,440
the water. I'm gonna call it a water treatment recycling plant because that's what I'd like to

2316
04:12:37,460 --> 04:12:52,600
to see at the site, that construction start so that that facility can treat the water from

2317
04:12:52,600 --> 04:12:59,420
the initial build of residential or commercial if that's what you choose to do, right?

2318
04:12:59,420 --> 04:13:06,180
So that there's a place for the effluent to go to when someone flashes their toilet in one

2319
04:13:06,180 --> 04:13:13,700
the new townhomes or whatever, you know, as the first housing development.

2320
04:13:16,520 --> 04:13:18,100
Okay, I have a question.

2321
04:13:18,400 --> 04:13:19,480
This is my last question.

2322
04:13:20,820 --> 04:13:27,740
When we talk about cell water supplying water to sear point, is that inclusive of an anticipated

2323
04:13:27,740 --> 04:13:33,620
development, both by universal paragon on their property and also health peak?

2324
04:13:37,170 --> 04:13:41,250
Those are two large developments that we've not talked about.

2325
04:13:41,530 --> 04:13:43,990
So when you say sublime, to see our point,

2326
04:13:44,130 --> 04:13:53,210
are you aware of those two projects and are you prepared to also deliver water to those projects within the capacity that you know you have?

2327
04:13:53,450 --> 04:14:01,910
I think this would be a good question for ECA because I believe that they did look at that as part of the long-term water supply assessment.

2328
04:14:01,910 --> 04:14:06,030
I don't know if anybody freakows online anymore.

2329
04:14:10,240 --> 04:14:14,560
Or if you can, a person was here for remediation, but there's different people for water.

2330
04:14:15,080 --> 04:14:17,760
But we could tee that up for the next one.

2331
04:14:18,000 --> 04:14:20,380
I think that's a really important question.

2332
04:14:20,580 --> 04:14:23,480
We need to answer to if you could bring that back to the next hearing.

2333
04:14:24,380 --> 04:14:29,600
When I was looking at the water supply agreement getting familiar with the project, I did notice

2334
04:14:29,600 --> 04:14:30,040
that.

2335
04:14:30,420 --> 04:14:33,220
But let me let us double check in here for the next meeting.

2336
04:14:35,110 --> 04:14:39,810
That's all I have. We have three minutes. Can't remember less.

2337
04:14:41,030 --> 04:14:45,370
You know, why don't we just move water to the next?

2338
04:14:46,630 --> 04:14:48,130
Do you have a lot of ideas?

2339
04:14:49,090 --> 04:14:51,870
You know, I mean, I can, I'll just ask it.

2340
04:14:51,870 --> 04:14:56,210
If you're all good, I'll ask the questions and we can extend the meeting.

2341
04:14:56,350 --> 04:14:59,070
And if you want to just knock out the water, I'll just ask it.

2342
04:14:59,070 --> 04:14:59,970
How many? How many?

2343
04:15:01,180 --> 04:15:12,000
I think it's going to take a while. I would say probably 30 minutes. Can you submit those questions to staff and they could be included? The answers could be included in our next.

2344
04:15:13,080 --> 04:15:15,600
The lot of the questions are for cow water.

2345
04:15:19,210 --> 04:15:22,730
I'll make a motion to extend the meeting for 30 minutes.

2346
04:15:23,210 --> 04:15:24,050
In the second.

2347
04:15:29,090 --> 04:15:33,670
If you move this so long, I'll second. I'll second. We've just moved it along. I think. Okay. Thank you.

2348
04:15:33,670 --> 04:15:37,110
Okay, all in favor, any one opposed?

2349
04:15:40,440 --> 04:15:40,960
Okay.

2350
04:15:43,500 --> 04:15:43,520
Okay.

2351
04:15:43,520 --> 04:15:43,620
Okay.

2352
04:15:43,740 --> 04:15:44,280
Remember lunch?

2353
04:15:44,300 --> 04:15:45,040
You got the floor.

2354
04:15:45,180 --> 04:15:48,100
Okay, Scott, if you would mind coming to the podium place.

2355
04:15:48,880 --> 04:15:49,400
Okay,

2356
04:15:53,340 --> 04:15:53,340
so,

2357
04:15:53,340 --> 04:15:56,340
okay, so BDI says that they need,

2358
04:15:56,420 --> 04:15:59,800
for the recycling needs 500,000 MGD.

2359
04:16:00,240 --> 04:16:02,960
And basically, you guys are 500,000 MGD.

2360
04:16:03,340 --> 04:16:07,400
Okay, so that's going to go to customers in South San Francisco.

2361
04:16:07,400 --> 04:16:15,160
So, are there any time requirements for providing that recycled water to customers in South San Francisco?

2362
04:16:18,840 --> 04:16:19,620
Not at this time.

2363
04:16:19,960 --> 04:16:27,380
We're still actively working with customers and same where there is a want and used for that recycled water.

2364
04:16:28,200 --> 04:16:30,420
So, that is all still discussions to be had.

2365
04:16:30,580 --> 04:16:34,760
At this point, there is not a firm schedule as to when that water would be utilized.

2366
04:16:34,760 --> 04:16:42,220
Okay, is the water recycling facility and the water recycled water that you need to send to

2367
04:16:42,220 --> 04:16:50,660
South San Francisco, is that contingent on this deal-debring pot of water to the bayonelines?

2368
04:16:51,200 --> 04:16:57,440
We're looking at multiple sources, but the intent is to utilize this water when it becomes available.

2369
04:16:57,440 --> 04:17:10,620
Okay, so if BDI proposed a project and it was 300 housing units, you would just, you would

2370
04:17:10,620 --> 04:17:17,280
provide the water, the potable water for that development, you would do it, that's part

2371
04:17:17,280 --> 04:17:21,940
of the agreement, whether the recycling water facility or water treatment facility was built.

2372
04:17:23,100 --> 04:17:29,440
The intent that is still all being negotiated, but the the want is to put that facility

2373
04:17:29,440 --> 04:17:34,420
online as soon as possible and utilize that water and till there's affluence available

2374
04:17:34,420 --> 04:17:40,500
to be able to fulfill the needs it would come from other sources and that would be utilized.

2375
04:17:41,400 --> 04:17:46,860
But the the want is to utilize that as soon as possible if there is not enough if there

2376
04:17:46,860 --> 04:17:52,360
is not available recycled water, then we would use portable water until that time.

2377
04:17:53,140 --> 04:17:55,240
OK. OK.

2378
04:18:08,180 --> 04:18:14,220
OK. So this is, I guess maybe a question for staff. So it says the FER states

2379
04:18:14,220 --> 04:18:19,300
that are building that a binding water service agreement would be executed after sequesterification

2380
04:18:19,300 --> 04:18:25,160
typically following project entitlement could the council require it before project entitlement.

2381
04:18:25,560 --> 04:18:27,320
If that was the desire of the council.

2382
04:18:37,270 --> 04:18:42,990
because it depends what you mean by entitlement, and it certainly would be before any individual

2383
04:18:42,990 --> 04:18:53,210
project were entitled, if you were to want to require it before the specific plan were adopted.

2384
04:18:53,270 --> 04:18:58,190
I'm not sure what that would do to the schedule because those agreements haven't been negotiated yet.

2385
04:18:58,670 --> 04:19:01,970
Yeah, I'm not going to let this out of the staff report, so that's what it says.

2386
04:19:01,970 --> 04:19:05,410
So this is typically following project entitlement,

2387
04:19:05,670 --> 04:19:08,850
could the council, if it's so desired to require it

2388
04:19:08,850 --> 04:19:13,810
before project entitlement, as it stated in this staff report?

2389
04:19:15,780 --> 04:19:17,780
You're looking at that chart.

2390
04:19:23,150 --> 04:19:25,030
It's written on me this, even if I find

2391
04:19:34,860 --> 04:19:35,040
it.

2392
04:19:35,040 --> 04:19:38,640
Okay, it's on page 5 of 10.

2393
04:19:39,460 --> 04:19:42,580
It's in the last paragraph,

2394
04:19:45,820 --> 04:19:47,580
as explained in the FER,

2395
04:19:47,580 --> 04:19:53,660
or binding water service agreement would be executed after sequestrification, typically following

2396
04:19:53,660 --> 04:19:58,840
project entitlement. Yeah, and I think in that in the way it's being used in the staff report,

2397
04:19:59,900 --> 04:20:06,420
that's then after the specific plan was acted on because that's the indication that we've

2398
04:20:06,420 --> 04:20:16,120
received from Cal Water that that's when that we need to know what program is being approved before we

2399
04:20:16,120 --> 04:20:20,840
enter into any sort of actual water service agreement.

2400
04:20:21,160 --> 04:20:28,180
We have the WSA to know that there's supply for the program that was proposed, but until

2401
04:20:28,180 --> 04:20:34,700
it's entitled, there's we don't have the basic, until the specific plan has been approved

2402
04:20:34,700 --> 04:20:39,900
and we know what Council has authorized, there's not the basis to finalize the agreement.

2403
04:20:40,580 --> 04:20:49,280
Okay, you know, Madam Mayor, I'm actually just, yeah, I don't worn down and I know that

2404
04:20:49,280 --> 04:20:53,740
the council will prefer that I not continue to ask the questions and others

2405
04:20:53,740 --> 04:20:58,800
members of the public would prefer to go home. I don't, it's cow water doesn't

2406
04:20:58,800 --> 04:21:04,240
mind coming back. Okay, you know, I would prefer to do that. I'm actually getting

2407
04:21:04,240 --> 04:21:09,880
tired and I was just doing it just to check it off the list, but I would

2408
04:21:09,880 --> 04:21:13,760
prefer to just to come back and knock it out at the beginning of the next meeting.

2409
04:21:14,320 --> 04:21:22,780
Okay. All right. They are intending to also begin the other topic at the next meeting, right?

2410
04:21:23,100 --> 04:21:25,880
I just want to confirm that will be.

2411
04:21:26,200 --> 04:21:31,200
What other topic is that? I think at the schedule that you showed at the beginning only had

2412
04:21:31,200 --> 04:21:33,580
what are you made more progress tonight than?

2413
04:21:33,580 --> 04:21:35,260
No, so finance.

2414
04:21:35,260 --> 04:21:41,460
I don't think that we're playing since we're planning on having finance on the 23rd.

2415
04:21:41,620 --> 04:21:50,180
I'm not sure that the actual report will be ready for the meeting on the 19th.

2416
04:21:50,300 --> 04:21:52,040
So are you saying there's no topic?

2417
04:21:53,660 --> 04:21:59,780
We'll be planning on talking about water, but if you're finished or close to finished, then you can direct.

2418
04:21:59,780 --> 04:22:04,520
says, let's say Cliff has 10 questions. He's only one with questions on the water left.

2419
04:22:05,000 --> 04:22:09,420
Would we all be coming to the next meeting to just sit here and listen to Cliff's questions?

2420
04:22:09,580 --> 04:22:16,300
Or would we then be moving into the next topic, which may be health and safety if we need to bump that up?

2421
04:22:17,040 --> 04:22:22,360
So yeah, so I was under the impression that we were doing the finances at the next meeting.

2422
04:22:22,360 --> 04:22:25,200
That's what I thought it was. That's not ready for prime time.

2423
04:22:25,360 --> 04:22:27,180
It's on the calendar for the 23rd.

2424
04:22:28,060 --> 04:22:29,980
I was looking at the calendar on the time.

2425
04:22:30,000 --> 04:22:38,360
Or a dissident, tentative. So how about this? Then let's do public safety and alternatives meeting.

2426
04:22:39,640 --> 04:22:48,020
Staff would need to prepare a reading list because we have a reading list prepared for all the other topics, but that's a new topic.

2427
04:22:49,700 --> 04:22:56,380
So staff would need to prepare a reading list, I assume, for that, or is that necessary?

2428
04:22:56,380 --> 04:23:03,380
You tell us what you want to talk about and we'll figure out how to be prepared for it I don't I guess I don't know what

2429
04:23:06,320 --> 04:23:10,740
Close topic, so yeah, so I mean we have

2430
04:23:12,580 --> 04:23:21,520
You know seven alternatives we should evaluate those we know that alternative seven was brought up many times by members of the public and also myself

2431
04:23:21,520 --> 04:23:27,500
I think we should evaluate that, and then public safety, you know, police, fire, and public

2432
04:23:27,500 --> 04:23:34,200
works. And, you know, just for example, the fire station is proposed on the east side.

2433
04:23:34,640 --> 04:23:39,500
Well, if you don't have the Geneva Avenue extension, that's a problem. And we need to talk

2434
04:23:39,500 --> 04:23:46,680
about public safety to go through these earrings and talk about public safety. That's a crime

2435
04:23:46,680 --> 04:23:48,280
to our constituents.

2436
04:23:48,280 --> 04:23:54,800
May I ask you a question? I just heard alternative 7. Are you saying that would be also

2437
04:23:54,800 --> 04:24:00,660
part of November 19? I would like to talk about that. And if Council members want to talk

2438
04:24:00,660 --> 04:24:08,980
about the other alternatives, you know, it's in the EIR. So it isn't like that hasn't been addressed,

2439
04:24:09,240 --> 04:24:18,260
but we just haven't had a discussion about those. Didn't you say at a previous meeting that if we

2440
04:24:18,260 --> 04:24:21,540
or did I misunderstand that?

2441
04:24:21,620 --> 04:24:26,680
No, so the alternatives are analyzed in the EIR.

2442
04:24:27,140 --> 04:24:30,220
So we would change what, if you were to adopt an alternative

2443
04:24:30,220 --> 04:24:34,680
instead of the project, it would change the types of findings you make,

2444
04:24:35,280 --> 04:24:38,720
but you do have discretion to adopt something

2445
04:24:38,720 --> 04:24:40,800
that's other than the project.

2446
04:24:41,160 --> 04:24:45,220
We might have to make conforming changes to the specific plan itself

2447
04:24:47,900 --> 04:24:59,100
to match the alternative, but the EIR, the alternatives are part of the EIR and have been analyzed as part of the EIR.

2448
04:25:00,160 --> 04:25:13,280
So, is it my understanding that alternative 7 or talking about alternatives could be making the project smaller or less impactful?

2449
04:25:13,280 --> 04:25:18,940
Is that what you'd like to discuss?

2450
04:25:21,470 --> 04:25:25,710
So I think it is appropriate for us to discuss the alternative,

2451
04:25:27,410 --> 04:25:34,870
because that those alternatives evaluate different densities and intensities.

2452
04:25:35,370 --> 04:25:36,450
And I think that's appropriate.

2453
04:25:38,150 --> 04:25:38,670
Thank you.

2454
04:25:38,870 --> 04:25:43,370
I have been through that comparison chart in the EIR.

2455
04:25:43,370 --> 04:25:47,950
And I'm just asking to understand, so I can actually formulate my notes and come prepared to the meeting.

2456
04:25:49,650 --> 04:25:49,830
What?

2457
04:25:50,250 --> 04:25:54,110
We've just bring questions based upon the alternative, because they are compared.

2458
04:25:55,390 --> 04:25:57,910
This isn't just a list of items in the EIR.

2459
04:25:58,030 --> 04:26:03,670
They are compared to each other, so I'm just trying to understand how that conversation may come together.

2460
04:26:04,030 --> 04:26:10,730
Yeah, so one of the things that we did at the start of our meeting tonight was to give direction to council.

2461
04:26:10,730 --> 04:26:12,270
I mean, to staff, right?

2462
04:26:12,350 --> 04:26:15,390
What are the things that we'd like to see evaluated

2463
04:26:15,390 --> 04:26:18,810
or change in the specific plan?

2464
04:26:20,330 --> 04:26:23,670
So addressing those alternatives could potentially

2465
04:26:23,670 --> 04:26:28,670
provide direction from council members to give to staff

2466
04:26:28,670 --> 04:26:33,330
to evaluate certain things such as what council member

2467
04:26:33,330 --> 04:26:34,470
or McConnell raised.

2468
04:26:34,490 --> 04:26:36,870
And I think you raised the same thing.

2469
04:26:36,870 --> 04:26:39,630
Council member Davis is 1,800 units.

2470
04:26:39,630 --> 04:26:45,650
So that's one of the requirements of that alternative.

2471
04:26:46,330 --> 04:26:51,470
But here we are discussing this, which really should just have it agendized so that

2472
04:26:51,470 --> 04:26:53,230
then we can get into that full discussion.

2473
04:26:53,270 --> 04:27:00,690
I wonder though, I mean, so when I said the 1800, I did that recognizing that we don't

2474
04:27:00,690 --> 04:27:07,850
have the financial analysis and I think that when you toggle, when you begin to toggle,

2475
04:27:07,850 --> 04:27:14,910
right, you start messing with the potential equilibrium of the development.

2476
04:27:15,850 --> 04:27:19,410
So, there needs to be a certain amount of commercial, right?

2477
04:27:20,050 --> 04:27:29,610
Certain amount of square feet of commercial to offset the housing and to ensure that it's revenue positive for the city.

2478
04:27:30,390 --> 04:27:34,810
So, I feel almost that, like, that's why I didn't put an amount

2479
04:27:34,810 --> 04:28:01,930
And because it's up to 7 million square feet, and that's why I didn't put the amount of commercial that I would like to see because at this point, I don't even feel that we can analyze what the appropriate amount of commercial is without understanding how these changes impact the finances because you could say all day long that you want 4 million, but then the finances come back and say, well, your baseline has to be six.

2480
04:28:02,770 --> 04:28:09,790
So I, you know, I'm concerned that we can certainly talk and look, but I think it's important

2481
04:28:09,790 --> 04:28:15,150
to keep in mind that with all that financial analysis, there's not a whole lot, I think

2482
04:28:15,150 --> 04:28:20,050
of direction that we can give to staff about what the appropriate density truly is.

2483
04:28:21,170 --> 04:28:26,610
I think you make a very good point, but at the same time unless we start the discussion,

2484
04:28:26,950 --> 04:28:29,230
we don't know how far we would go with it.

2485
04:28:29,230 --> 04:28:35,270
So maybe it's just putting it on the table and seeing what the questions are.

2486
04:28:35,310 --> 04:28:40,650
And if there's too much there, then that gets moved to another meeting later on.

2487
04:28:40,750 --> 04:28:44,970
Well, we may notice that there is one alternative, that we may have some kind of, we see some

2488
04:28:44,970 --> 04:28:49,510
consensus and then maybe, who knows, I don't know, Kaiser Marston will even have the time

2489
04:28:49,510 --> 04:28:56,190
to prepare something for them the following meeting that analyzes that particular, but we've

2490
04:28:56,190 --> 04:29:02,870
even seeing whether Council has the appetite to pursue one of the alternatives unless we talk about it.

2491
04:29:03,130 --> 04:29:10,270
So maybe that's a good time. We could continue water, public safety. I don't think that's a heavy burden,

2492
04:29:10,690 --> 04:29:15,190
and then look at the alternatives and that sounds like a meeting right there.

2493
04:29:16,730 --> 04:29:22,370
Yes? Yes. Yes. Yes. Okay, and I'll make my water questions more concise

2494
04:29:22,370 --> 04:29:28,630
so that expedites that part of the meeting.

2495
04:29:29,590 --> 04:29:32,990
And I would just ask if everyone on the council

2496
04:29:32,990 --> 04:29:36,550
thinks that you're proposing for staff to look into,

2497
04:29:37,050 --> 04:29:39,030
if those could be submitted earlier,

2498
04:29:39,310 --> 04:29:41,110
so that that appears in the packet,

2499
04:29:41,690 --> 04:29:44,970
and it's not incumbent upon staff to try to take notes here

2500
04:29:44,970 --> 04:29:46,350
and the public would see it,

2501
04:29:46,430 --> 04:29:49,450
and we would all have a chance to see it,

2502
04:29:49,530 --> 04:29:50,950
that would be helpful.

2503
04:29:50,950 --> 04:29:56,960
Alright, that being said, it's 9.56 and this meeting is adjourned. Thank you.

2504
04:29:57,550 --> 04:29:59,970
Thank you, the staff and the lead to continue.

2505
04:30:00,000 --> 04:30:11,970
I will have the city attorney calling me. Can I get a first and second to continue the public hearing on November 19, 2026 at 530 p.m.

2506
04:30:12,130 --> 04:30:15,810
So moved, second? All in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye.

2507
04:30:15,930 --> 04:30:19,170
And thank you to everybody. We will see you all from the 19.