[0:00] This is the 24hour the same day or
24-hour comment I made to you.
[0:13] » I can't log in now.
[0:19] » Good Kate.
>> All right, we're back. We're in public
[0:24] session.
Uh,
[0:28] Steve, will you lead us in the pledge of
allegiance?
[0:31] » Oh,
that's awesome.
[0:34] I haven't done this in
>> Oh, you didn't bring the
[0:37] » All right. Uh, I pledge allegiance to
the flag of the United States of America
[0:44] and to the republic for which it stands,
one nation under God, indivisible, with
[0:50] liberty and justice for all.
[0:55] Um,
they sent me a whole flag and a pole.
[0:59] They didn't send they didn't send the
pieces. I ordered I ordered the the or
[1:04] tried to order the spread of things to
actually spread the flag out and have it
[1:07] look.
>> Yeah.
[1:09] » Yeah.
>> That is too funny.
[1:12] » Anyway,
>> all right. Uh, is there a motion for the
[1:16] non-public and public meeting minutes of
Yes.
[1:19] » Do not do August 13th. So, can I'll just
explain really quick. Um, your August
[1:24] 13th meeting video did not have any
sound. I made a mistake. So, I have to
[1:30] recreate it from scratch. I just haven't
been able to finish it. So, I will have
[1:34] August 13th at the next meeting.
>> So, we want to approve the
[1:38] » just the 20th.
>> Just the 20th. All right.
[1:41] » Public the non-public and public meeting
minutes for August 20th, 2026.
[1:46] » Sorry,
[1:49] » I'm having technical difficulties. There
you go. Go ahead.
[1:52] » Okay. I make a motion to approve the
non-public and public meeting minutes
[1:56] for August 20th, 2026. And do I want to
do the ceiling of uh
[2:03] second? Um is there a second?
>> Second.
[2:06] » Second by Scott. Uh any questions or
comments on those minutes? Hearing none.
[2:12] All those in favor, please say I.
>> I. Those opposed, abstensions, that's 4
[2:17] Z.
>> Okay. I want to uh uh make a motion to
[2:22] seal the non-public meeting that it's
August 20th, 2026
[2:27] uh because determined the developments
of this information likely would affect
[2:32] adversely the reputation of any person
other than a member of this board.
[2:36] » Is there a second?
>> Second.
[2:38] » Second by Scott.
>> All those in favor?
[2:42] » I those opposed extensions equals zero.
Can I make a motion to uh approve the
[2:49] consent agenda for 9326?
>> You have to read it.
[2:54] » I know. Yeah, I got it. So, uh uh for
accounts payable special batch manifest
[3:00] 82526 accounts payable AC payment
manifest 82726 accounts payable payment
[3:08] manifest 8.2726 2726 accounts payable
payment manifest
[3:14] uh 9326 accounts payable AC payment
manifest 9326
[3:19] accounts payable special payment
manifest 9326
[3:24] payroll payment manifest dated 82726
removal of veterans credit from map lot
[3:30] 116-089
as it no longer qualifies removal of
[3:35] veterans credit from map lot 221-003
Three is no longer
[3:40] » second. Second by Scott. Uh any
questions or comments or any single
[3:46] item? Anyone wants to take off the
consent agenda?
[3:50] » All right. All those in favor please say
I.
[3:53] » I.
>> I. Those opposed. Extensions. Four zero.
[3:57] » Thank you.
[4:01] » Oops.
>> I put it in front of you Sean too.
[4:11] All right.
[4:14] Close the window.
>> Water and sewer update. Jeff,
[4:21] » I got you on camera a couple times.
Jeff,
[4:23] » do you?
>> Yeah. I had that camera set up for the
[4:27] conservation commission down that uh
>> storm center.
[4:31] » Storm center by the culvert.
>> Oh, yeah.
[4:33] » Yeah.
>> Yeah. Open say water.
[4:36] I've got I've got you and your guy and
I've got a a bear, a fox, and a bobcat.
[4:41] » Oh, nice.
>> Yeah, I'd like to check that out.
[4:44] » That's funny. When I looked at the
transfer station,
[4:47] » it's on the Conservation Commission um
>> website Facebook page. I'm going to work
[4:52] with Kate on all that stuff on the
>> There was an animal that crossed into a
[4:58] transfer station one night, too, but I
can't tell what what it was. It was
[5:02] short, but
>> it was there's even one of a there's a
[5:06] daddy long legs right on right on the
camera while a raccoon two raccoons
[5:11] going up the tree.
>> I had a bull moose down there. I was
[5:15] inside the storm center building and
they came walking down. It was at night
[5:18] time. It was an emergency. We were down
there and I was kind of pinned in the
[5:22] building for a while where I stood
outside. I wasn't quite sure if I wanted
[5:25] to make the dash to my truck or not.
>> Very good.
[5:28] » What do we All right. What do we got
tonight? Um, we have a couple things,
[5:32] but the um I don't know if you want to
start with your updates first.
[5:36] » If you want to get the
>> Which one do you want me to do?
[5:40] » Um, probably the amendment to the
Underwood contract. Do you have
[5:43] » Okay, that's in um Yep. I'll pull it up
on the screen too. Um, so under number
[5:49] six is an engineering agreement
amendment. There are two documents
[5:53] there. One is the document that um as I
open one is I um bulleted out here. You
[6:01] want to look at it that way? Um I bullet
bulleted is not the right language. Um I
[6:07] set some um requested action reasons for
change on one of the documents, what the
[6:12] financial impact is, um where the money
will come from and if you agree the
[6:18] motion is all on the first document. The
second document is
[6:27] it is is a breakdown actually from
Underwood um explaining where the money
[6:33] the adjustment is going to be need made
um because the project do you want me to
[6:38] keep going Jeff?
>> Um you can or I can explain. It's just
[6:42] the additional work that's required of
them. uh just uh designing the new path
[6:48] that was taken for the uh because they
couldn't do the directional drill, they
[6:52] had to do open cut. Um and then they
also brought on additional um on-site
[6:58] engineer uh residential I call it
resident engineer
[7:04] project manager.
So that document up on the screen shows
[7:08] the breakdown um where they are asking
for the adjustment because of the
[7:13] extended time to of the completion of
the project and this is for Underwood
[7:17] Engineering. This is not for the
contractor or their work. Underwood has
[7:21] done an extensive amount of extra work
with this project because we have the
[7:25] USDA funding. We have the we will have
the USDA funding but they but even
[7:31] though that funding hasn't kicked in
they have to follow Baba and time worked
[7:35] and they have to supply all of these
documents. Um then we have EPA funding
[7:40] and we also have
>> CDBG
[7:42] » CDBG funding. So there is an extensive
amount of extra work that they are that
[7:47] they have done but but because the
project has been extended they're asking
[7:51] for an adjustment to construction
administration and resident pro project
[7:56] representation. It totals $40,950.
So
[8:04] » to come from the sewer capital reserve
>> that's what we're but that's an is that
[8:09] an addition to what we did before?
>> Yes it is. Yeah. So this so what we did
[8:13] before was the project that was
sergeants cost for the project. So that
[8:17] amount of money would be coming from the
contingency split. I think it was almost
[8:22] a split not fully but half of part of
that money came from the contingency and
[8:27] the other part is coming from the sewer
capital reserve. Um and then there is
[8:33] one more tonight that we I have um which
we might as well talk about right now.
[8:38] » The asbestous removal. No, we um the so
when going back I realized going back to
[8:45] the beginning of this project the
project um and I don't have the document
[8:50] right in front of me and I'm sorry but
the project was roughly 2.9 million but
[8:54] we knew $40,500
was not funded in any part of that
[8:59] project. We and we agreed to move
forward back then but we never said
[9:03] where that money was coming from. So I
have that tonight to talk to the Jeff
[9:08] and I have talked about it as well. So
it's 40,500 plus this 40,000
[9:15] 950. We have to decide where that
funding is if we approve the addition to
[9:21] the the amend the engineering amendment.
If we approve that one and then two
[9:26] where is that funding coming from? The
40,500
[9:30] was approved previously. We just have to
decide now where that money is coming
[9:36] from. So,
and I didn't I didn't want to miss this.
[9:40] So,
go ahead. I'm I can't tell you. Go
[9:44] ahead.
>> All right. Yeah, let's deal with one
[9:47] thing at a time.
>> Yes.
[9:49] » Well, he's giving me the look.
>> So, for this
[9:53] » try to be good.
>> So, for this one, it is an additional
[9:57] $40,950
for the engineering on this project.
[10:03] and for them the construction oversight
all of that for the project.
[10:07] » So it's already done, right?
>> No, this one this is this is the project
[10:11] that we did that meeting where we kind
of went through with them around all the
[10:15] changes to go from the board to the
overcome.
[10:18] » This is technically a second chain a
second change order that will be over
[10:24] the contracted amount. So we have to
agree whether whether we agree that this
[10:30] is justified 40 40,950
and whether we one if we agree it is we
[10:37] have to approve the change order and if
we agree it is then we have to approve
[10:41] where the money's coming from
>> right so
[10:44] » so I'm guessing if you want this project
to keep going we have the choice we have
[10:47] to
[10:51] » the engineering firm is you know we do a
lot of work for so we They're also the
[10:55] ones had our back
>> right
[10:57] » on that and fought for us for, you know,
a reasonable contract,
[11:03] » a reasonable result uh on the on the
other projects. So,
[11:08] » what's the balance on the capital
reserve?
[11:10] » It's over a million.
>> Well, it'll I can't give you an exact
[11:15] number. We're waiting for a transfer to
finalize um from the check from the
[11:20] checking, but I think it is over a
million.
[11:22] » Is that your suggestion, Jeff?
>> It is money. Yeah.
[11:26] Yeah. Just keep the project moving
forward without having to go to
[11:30] taxpayers. We set the money aside for
occasions like this. So,
[11:34] » are they on track to finish before
winter?
[11:36] » November 30th. Yeah. Yeah.
>> What does the contract look like?
[11:42] » The the engineering contract is it's
that before you. So, the the
[11:48] » the T's there's no T's and C's with the
engineering.
[11:53] So there and I did talk to the town's
attorney. The town's attorney did say
[11:58] » so it's time and material basically job.
>> Yeah.
[12:02] » Yes. Because they their contract is
broken down by So there were six
[12:07] categories in their contract.
>> Yeah.
[12:11] » Six or seven categories and I think
they're the ones that are there. So when
[12:14] we get So each bill had a specific
amount of money. So, construction
[12:19] administration, we agreed to $190,000
[12:24] » um on our contract. So,
>> I just want to be clear just to be on
[12:28] the same page with everybody, okay? I'm
not saying that we should not try to
[12:33] make sure we fund appropriately because
they clearly have done extra stuff. What
[12:38] I'm trying to verify is the original
agreement that we entered into with
[12:43] them. How are we with that? And then
have they notified us in the time frames
[12:48] defined by the contract to make sure
that everybody's behaving appropriately?
[12:53] That's that's when we when we get into
like the back and forth with the with
[12:57] the last time when we were talking about
the drilling and whatnot, it was all
[13:01] about well this one left and this one
did this and this one did that and it
[13:05] was more just trying to like tie off,
okay, what does the contract say they're
[13:11] responsible for for us? That's that's
what's coming down. So, what the
[13:14] contract says they're responsible for
are those tasks there at $445,000.
[13:20] So, that's what they're responsible for,
but um there is no time limit on when
[13:25] they can put in a change order.
>> More the time limits when we were
[13:29] talking last time was did they notify us
before they stopped doing work
[13:33] » and did they notify us that Yeah,
>> these guys are still working. They're
[13:37] still
>> in construction administration. How did
[13:39] they I guess what I'm getting at is so
they're adding $21,100 to construction
[13:44] administration for $190,000.
So
[13:49] » we were
>> It just seems like an interesting
[13:50] number. So how why is construction
administration going up? Like what was
[13:55] the thing that
>> we were supposed to be done in June.
[13:58] We're not getting done till November.
>> Yeah. just having personnel on board
[14:02] overseeing what they thought they were
going to be overseeing as directional
[14:05] drilling and now they're overseeing a
whole
[14:08] » horizontal day. That's part of it.
>> Okay.
[14:11] » And we're extended the whole project.
We've extended the project twice. So
[14:15] we've extended it from
September.
[14:18] » I'm not saying it's bad if not three.
>> I'm trying to tie off between
[14:23] » we originally said the project was this
and then and I mean bottom line they're
[14:26] not the ones running the shovel,
>> right? like they're overseeing it. So I
[14:31] just want to make sure that it's
>> so just um also just to give you the
[14:36] number the number for sewer capital
reserve once the transfer is complete
[14:40] will be just over a million.
[14:48] » What is what's resident project
representative for 20 grand?
[14:51] » We have to have somebody on site because
of the horizontal cut now. Not not the
[14:56] horizontal drill the cut the open cut.
Sorry.
[14:59] » Well, they're documenting all the work,
making sure that the contractor is doing
[15:03] as okay specified. So,
[15:08] » they do a daily report, fill out all the
information, pull ties and whatnot.
[15:12] » Oh, okay.
>> Quite a bit that they're doing on site.
[15:15] » So, those are really the two things that
are causing it. The extension from to
[15:19] November and we have to have somebody we
don't they have to have somebody on site
[15:24] just making sure everything's done
appropriately. Um, I'll make a motion
[15:27] that we approve $40,950.
>> And,
[15:32] » uh,
>> it's on the bottom.
[15:35] » Oh, the first the first sheet.
[15:40] » The, um, engineering agreement.
I look at the amendments.
[15:46] » There's two that say amendment. I should
have clarified that.
[15:52] » Actually,
[15:56] And then it says um amendment
>> approve the amendment of the engineering
[15:59] agreement in the amount of 40,950
authorizing the use of the sewer capital
[16:04] reserve to fund and authorize the town
administrator to execute any necessary
[16:08] documents related to the project update.
>> I'll second that.
[16:13] » Okay. Motion by John, second by Scott.
Any comments or further questions?
[16:20] » All those in favor please say I.
>> I. I. Those opposed extensions 4 zero.
[16:26] » Do you just want to keep going in order,
Sean?
[16:29] » Okay.
>> We actually um we brought this to you um
[16:34] to approve the purchase order. It is
within the my authority, but we thought
[16:38] it would be good to make sure the board
understood it.
[16:42] Those are the two there.
>> Did you need me to sign this as well?
[16:46] » No. No. You just have to tell them about
it.
[16:49] » Yeah. This is uh asbestous removal.
glass vessels was found on that property
[16:54] uh when we started uh looking started
planning on tearing that building down.
[17:00] Um that was uh that would have been a
change order to do the the
[17:07] asbestos removal. We got some local
pricing to get an idea what that's going
[17:11] to cost us. That price came in just shy
of 7 grand. Uh 6,500 actually. Um
[17:18] » um 7B and 7 C are the two quotes um that
he's talking about. If you wanted to
[17:23] look at them, one is from always re and
the other's from
[17:27] » Yeah, I think it's uh sergeants uh
>> Sergeant recommended them which demo
[17:33] group.
>> I think they were around 14 was it?
[17:36] » Yep. 14,000. So
>> yeah.
[17:40] » And then there's a purchase order number
in there. Um why didn't So why didn't it
[17:45] become part of the project?
>> Um it was unknown if it was going to
[17:49] actually be in there until the project
started taking place and then we did the
[17:53] we paid for the asbestous testing of the
site asbestous and lead paint and
[17:58] whatnot. I think it was $1,500 back when
it first started. And then uh
[18:05] they once they determined how much they
were going to be uh for a quantity then
[18:10] uh we move forward with getting pricing.
[18:15] I think initially they could have
included that in the U contingency fund,
[18:20] but now that that that's depleted,
I think it's a way for us to we would
[18:26] have to pay for it one way or the other.
If we went through, Sergeant, it would
[18:29] be probably around that 14,000.
We just pay it out of pocket directly.
[18:35] » Okay.
>> Save us some save us some money.
[18:38] So, we just want to make sure you um
that you knew. Um I can prove this. It's
[18:43] within my the authority if you're okay
with it, but we wanted to make sure um
[18:49] that you knew. Um I've also started a
document that tracks any costs outside
[18:55] of the project that we're paying for. It
has everything in it. Legal document
[19:00] fees for the ban. Um this would be
trapped in it as well. So, I know
[19:05] exactly what we spent on the whole
project when we're done,
[19:08] » including interest.
>> Um, I did not. Thank you, John.
[19:14] » Just surprising.
>> Jesus Christ.
[19:17] » Consensus on
>> I'll fix that.
[19:19] » Signing that.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
[19:22] » And and the other 40,000 we make sure we
do that.
[19:26] » So, we have that's next. Okay.
>> Um add interest.
[19:40] So the again, this one is kind of an
after the fact. It just is something we
[19:46] realized that we never voted where that
money was coming from. We just said,
[19:49] "Yeah, go ahead with the project." So it
was $40,500.
[19:54] Um, and actually, um, here I might be
able to share my screen.
[20:03] If you if you if you're connecting back
to the Zoom, just don't connect the
[20:06] audio.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
[20:13] » All right. So, this if it show gives you
a rough idea where the funding was
[20:19] coming from. So, you can see that I'm
not making up the number totally. Um but
[20:24] the original so this is the 40,000 that
was approved. It's coming from um
[20:28] engineering.
>> That was that's not included in the
[20:32] first one that you voted. So um but this
is the what we were supposed to pay for
[20:39] but it's not budgeted anywhere. It's
over and above. So
[20:46] » and the thought is that two could come
from the capital reserve.
[20:51] » Capital reserve. So you could use the
same motion that you just made but tweak
[20:55] it a little. um if you're okay with
that. I didn't get to prepare your
[21:00] document for that.
>> That's fine.
[21:03] » And then this is the we're keeping track
of where the right now this is
[21:08] everything we've been spending on this
side. And then um the funding that we're
[21:13] getting. So and also so that you know
that we are pulling from the ban um as
[21:20] needed. Right now we've gotten funding
that equals what we've spent on the
[21:25] project. Um, so it's good news. We are
keeping back up on it, but we only have
[21:29] about 600,000 left of the ban. Um, so
but we're winding down. So
[21:40] » Okay. All right. Uh, I'll make a motion
that we uh approve the engineering fees
[21:46] uh the engineering agreement in the
amount of $40,500
[21:50] authorizing the use of the sewer capital
reserve to fund and authorize the town
[21:55] administrator to execute any necessary
documents related to this up this
[21:59] project update.
Second.
[22:07] » Okay, we have a motion and a second. Any
further discussion?
[22:12] All those in favor, please say I. I.
>> I. Those opposed. Abstensions 40 zero.
[22:18] » So you just um made me think of
something too. Kristen and Sean
[22:22] something for us.
>> You know when we have that we have this
[22:25] ban.
>> Mhm.
[22:26] » We've got we've had various tans and
whatnot. One of the things that we may
[22:30] want to make sure we know about when we
do the budget like that budget day,
[22:33] » right?
>> Overall debt to income. Well, the
[22:36] overall debt to income ratio too, like
how
[22:39] » how we line up against all because we
still have debt for public safety
[22:44] building. We still have debt for other
things like
[22:46] » So, um, debt is regulated by the DRA. We
we're only I'll get you that
[22:51] information, but we have a certain
percent that we're not allowed to go
[22:54] over.
>> I'm curious like where are we at? Yeah.
[22:58] In relation to that,
>> we the good well right now it's a we
[23:02] have now that we're values are where
they're at. Our debt is much higher that
[23:08] we're allowed to have. We aren't near
there though. But I will because I think
[23:14] it was a year or so ago we said we were
getting close. That's why
[23:17] » we were till we did the reval. But that
changes things.
[23:21] » Not that I would to go into more debt.
>> I was going to say yeah. So for
[23:26] everyone's knowledge, Christina wants us
to
[23:28] » I do not want to.
>> Everybody knows
[23:32] » I want to finish the projects we have.
>> So Jeff is actually here for um also to
[23:38] give you water sewer update. Do you but
before do you want to talk to them about
[23:42] the Pleasant Street tank?
>> Um I have that on my list. just touch a
[23:47] little bit on
>> um so I'll start off with the um little
[23:53] bit of an update on the project. Um
couple weeks ago we did the bypass. They
[24:00] did the bypass pump and tie on tie in.
And what that did is it uh tied in down
[24:05] on uh Central Street Marramac Street
intersection and tied back in at the top
[24:09] of Marramac Street. And we're utilizing
uh HDP pipe to get around all the
[24:15] construction that's taking place. As
they do the open cut, they're ripping
[24:18] out the existing uh force mane and
replacing it with the new. Um, they've
[24:24] encountered a pretty goodized boulder.
Uh, I sent that picture along.
[24:27] » Oh, do you want me to It's in the Yeah,
you might have seen it in the but is
[24:32] probably about a third the size of their
excavator it looked like.
[24:37] » It's pretty.
>> Yeah, they actually had to dig a hole
[24:39] beside it and push it in because it was
too large. But
[24:42] » is that what they're scoop?
>> What's that?
[24:44] » Is that the one you sent us?
>> I think so. Yeah. Yeah.
[24:47] » Um,
>> but uh yeah, they're up in front of the
[24:50] first house almost at Spring Street
right now. Um, they uh we did close down
[24:56] the road uh Wednesday and uh they
encountered ledge as soon as they got on
[25:02] Central Street. So now they're bringing
in a a whole ram next week. So we had to
[25:07] reschedu that uh road closure.
>> It's at the very end. Um, we'll fill in
[25:13] the details to the public
>> of what day those that'll take place.
[25:17] » Oh, that's a goodie.
>> That was a good size one. So,
[25:24] » all right.
>> But I think they're averaging only about
[25:27] 80 ft a day, and they're hoping to speed
that up a bit. They're they're working
[25:31] in some tight areas where between the
existing gravity feed, ripping out the
[25:35] force main, uh, the highways, storm
water,
[25:39] » um, is laid right there as well.
and passing some of those old brick
[25:43] structures that are catch basins.
They're just taking their time. So,
[25:49] we touched a little bit.
>> So, that line that goes along Marramac
[25:53] that we're replacing,
>> that's not that's the force main that's
[25:58] not connected to all the houses.
>> Correct. It's just Yeah, just no
[26:03] laterals coming off it. But they have
encountered some of the laterals as they
[26:07] passed. Well,
>> the one that they passed they hit. So,
[26:10] they're making those repairs as they go
along.
[26:13] » Okay.
>> Uh trying to avoid them. Uh they did hit
[26:15] the gravity feed sewer
>> and they didn't uh they plan on not
[26:20] hitting that again. We'll see how that
goes.
[26:27] » Really is nothing worse than hitting the
water stuff.
[26:29] » Yeah.
>> Well, sewer is worse.
[26:38] Like I say, this uh of course this is
pushing the whole project out to the end
[26:43] of November now. So, but that would the
end of November that uh old pump station
[26:48] will be torn down by then. Um and the
foundation will be uh buried what's left
[26:56] of that. So,
um,
[27:01] sorry, I meant to print this out, but my
printer wasn't working, so it's on my
[27:05] phone. Uh,
[27:13] all the guys, they've been working down
the treatment plant. Our buildings
[27:17] needed painting, so they've been
pressure washing, scraping, and getting
[27:19] ready to to paint those buildings.
Couple of doors needed to replacing, so
[27:23] they're working on that. just just
grounds maintenance or building
[27:26] maintenance. Um
there's some paving that we're going to
[27:31] be working with the highway. They're
doing forth Brookbrook Road. Um
[27:35] initially, um Victor felt that the
manels didn't need to be addressed
[27:40] because they were just going to grind
the pavement down. Sounds like he's
[27:43] going to have a talk with them on
Tuesday because they're talking about
[27:46] taking the frames and covers right out
and grinding the road and then going
[27:49] back and adjusting those. So he'll be
talking to them on Tuesday to find out
[27:54] what we need to do or if they're going
to take care of that themselves. So but
[27:59] along with paving we have a lot of
patches that we need to do addressing
[28:02] some of the manholes like on Hillside
Avenue is plow catches some manholes. So
[28:06] we're going to be uh working with them
um kind of feathering them out so that
[28:11] doesn't happen.
Uh we're currently uh scheduling out our
[28:16] backflow testing um throughout town with
backflow devices. Our guys are trained
[28:20] to test those. Uh so that's what they're
doing.
[28:25] Uh we're scheduled uh seasonals uh for
the middle of October hydrant flushing.
[28:31] Uh so this is taking place over the next
month and two month or two. So
[28:39] we had our last tour. We had a few of
the residents come. It was pretty
[28:43] successful.
We had a little guy, a little
[28:47] six-year-old came and he was pretty
impressed. his dad. I saw his dad. His
[28:50] dad said he's home with a lab coat on
and mixing stuff.
[28:55] So, he's filling out an application. So,
>> yeah. Good. Tell me I'll have a spot in
[29:01] uh
>> Yeah.
[29:02] » Yeah. in 12 years.
>> Yeah. Um
[29:06] we uh had to
expedite our valve service. Normally we
[29:11] have valve service done at our booster
station um in November, but this year we
[29:16] started having some problems just like
the past week or two. Uh so I'm having
[29:20] that guy come in sooner um and address
that. So we got called out there on a
[29:26] Sunday to leak. So
uh had to do a repair to the back piston
[29:31] for the thumb. Um we have a leak in
hydraulic tank. We have to get that
[29:35] repaired. We looked into a replacement
of that tank and it's $6,500 for a tank
[29:40] for that backo. So, I think we can make
the repair a lot cheaper.
[29:48] » Not that I want to volunteer them, but
do you ever talk to
[29:53] Victor about his you his um guy who does
mechanic work for him?
[29:58] » Yeah, we've utilized him to the the
welder guy. Yeah. No, no, no. They're in
[30:04] house person.
>> Oh, Jonathan.
[30:06] » Yeah.
>> Not that he could spare him right now
[30:09] with the short short crew, but it might
be something to think about.
[30:13] » Yeah, our guys are pretty good, too. I
got Jesse. That's what he came to. Yeah,
[30:18] he's a me was a mechanic.
>> Um,
[30:23] let's see. Oh, the utility truck's been
down for about two weeks now. vacuum
[30:28] pump, uh, booster pump for the brakes
and power steering failed. Um, it's over
[30:34] at Auto Trends. The order of part, uh,
they received a damaged one. Uh, they're
[30:38] expecting to get it tomorrow. Uh, this
truck is a 2017.
[30:43] It's scheduled to be replaced in next
year's budget. Uh, I just got a placeho
[30:49] holder right now of about 85,000. I know
I can get a truck a lot cheaper than
[30:52] that, but I just to start out with on
the budget because this is a utility
[30:56] body truck. So, four-wheel drive and a
diesel at that. So,
[31:06] and the oil spill down there. We're
waiting to hear back from the customer
[31:10] that's responsible for the cleanup. If
we do not hear from him, I think in the
[31:14] next I think we got one more week that
we gave him till we will do the clean up
[31:19] ourselves or or pay for it and then just
put it on to his bill.
[31:26] » I'll check the Yeah, I think it's one
more week though for the deadline. Y
[31:32] » and then uh there was the propane uh
that Christina mentioned down to
[31:39] Pleasant Street pump station. That's we
have a backup generator down there. It's
[31:42] only got about 20% left in the tank. Um,
so that's causing an issue with the
[31:47] generator running. This tank was
supposed to be topped off, but it it
[31:51] didn't pass uh a test. They have a anode
bags uh that kind of it's a sacrificial
[31:58] bag that takes the corrosion away from
the tank that has failed. They did a
[32:02] couple of tests. So, they feel as though
that tank needs to be dug up and
[32:05] replaced. Dead River uh has taken
ownership of the tank and will replace
[32:10] the tank. However, we're responsible for
esavation. It's a thousandgalon tank
[32:14] that's in the ground. Um my concern when
I spoke initially with them is there's a
[32:20] $500 450 annual fee for that tank. Um so
my thought was that we would buy the
[32:26] tank. That's what we've done with the
other uh projects that we have. We
[32:30] purchase the tanks and then we don't
have a tank rental and reduce cost for
[32:34] the propane itself. But talking with
Bill Carquette, he said they wave the
[32:39] the rental fee. So
>> nice.
[32:41] » Um it would be worth probably just
having them stick the tank back in.
[32:45] » But in the future when the town does go
out to propane bid is that's one of the
[32:49] things that they should consider is, you
know, are they willing to wave the
[32:52] rental fee to keep that cost down.
>> Yeah.
[32:56] » We did think it might be a bigger
conversation that we probably need to
[33:00] have too because we own some tanks. We
don't own some tanks. Um
[33:05] » yeah,
>> we're finding in um with Central Street,
[33:07] they contracted with Suburban. That's
not part of our the company we have in
[33:12] our we have a we haven't gone out to RP
yet, but it's not the one we've been
[33:17] contracted with.
>> So, we're just we can get a bigger
[33:21] discussion.
>> I think Sergeant may have been talking
[33:23] with Dead River 2 today because that's
where Bill called from. Yep.
[33:26] » He was at Central Street. So, I think
they're trying to work out something,
[33:30] but it it would be nice just to I'm
trying to keep a handle on what we own
[33:34] and what we don't
>> cuz we did ask them to we said that
[33:38] Suburban wasn't our normal provider and
at the time they thought they were
[33:42] checking to see if they could
potentially change their contract
[33:46] because we wanted to stay with our
current provider. They're filling all of
[33:50] our tanks.
>> Yeah, they did say if I was to purchase
[33:53] the tank, it was $5,000 for the tank,
too. But uh it does have me thinking too
[33:59] the waist one at the wastewater plants
uh that was installed in 1969 a thousand
[34:04] tank right now it's at 70% and they
continue to fill it as needed but it's
[34:07] only running the generator so it was
over a year ago when it was last filled
[34:12] so but that uh the one at Pleasant
Street was installed in 1998 so I don't
[34:17] know you know there's no guarantees of
how long these tanks last so
[34:22] » well generally it's what it's the anode
bags that really Yeah, they're supposed
[34:26] to.
>> Yeah.
[34:28] » And that Yeah, that's what's happening
Pleasant Street obviously, but that has
[34:32] made it only 20 years.
>> Yeah,
[34:35] » the bill of thought maybe is just the
soil conditions, the water, you know, so
[34:40] it is close to the road there.
Just something to keep in mind. Uh they
[34:46] they did agree that they would put 20%
in it and hopefully get us back so we
[34:51] can at least operate that generator more
than 20 minutes. That's what happens. It
[34:54] fails. 200 gallons. I think they said
they would be delivering today. Yep.
[34:59] » Yeah.
>> Okay.
[35:02] » And I think October 10th is when they
plan on
[35:05] » doing the tank replacement and we'll
we're trying to figure out which way
[35:08] that path goes because I think it may go
underneath the existing pavement, but we
[35:13] dug up the last one when they did
Central Street years ago. We can dig up
[35:16] this one again. So,
>> okay.
[35:19] » I just checked the letter. His his time
is up. So, we'll move forward now with
[35:23] the upper ditch and we will do what we
It's
[35:27] » Oh, it has. Okay. Yeah.
>> Yep.
[35:29] » What was going on at School Street
yesterday?
[35:33] » Oh, uh that that was a customer's leak.
128 School Street leak. Uh it got worse.
[35:38] We actually had to shut it off which
kind of uh forced the guy to have to get
[35:43] somebody out there. And the piece of
equipment that they used was a VAT
[35:46] truck. It was a hydro
>> excavation. Yeah. It's a pretty neat way
[35:52] to do it.
>> Um, there was a sewer line right in the
[35:55] way and they were able to they take a
basically a pressure washer, loosen the
[35:58] ground and vacuum vacuum out.
>> It's nice cuz this guy's right down the
[36:04] road. He lives right next Oh, his
business is right next to the Smith
[36:08] River.
>> Yeah.
[36:09] » Um, and we could utilize him in the
future on something. could
[36:14] » I actually thought of maybe the propane
tank get a price from him to see what it
[36:19] would
>> Yeah.
[36:21] » take just might be a cleaner way to do
that. So,
[36:26] » all right.
[36:33] » I hit a button on the keyboard and it
turned the volume on. Sorry.
[36:36] » All right. Any other questions for
>> Thank you, Jeff.
[36:41] » Thank you guys.
JR's
[36:46] like I'm out.
[36:52] » It's easy when you have a million
dollars to
[36:55] » well
>> to cover that.
[36:57] » It does make it a little bit
>> makes it a little easier to
[37:01] » little straightforward.
>> Yeah.
[37:04] » Come on up, Chief.
in the
[37:09] » um
>> and nothing
[37:13] in your folders. Um there is a memo from
uh chief under number nine.
[37:25] If I can, I'd love to get to that last.
>> Okay.
[37:29] » Okay.
>> Just because I think it'll it'll be a
[37:32] little longer conversation maybe.
Um,
[37:36] so I guess I just start with the update
that um, you know, we're kind of due for
[37:41] after seeing you guys in May. Um, hit a
couple of things. So, we're at full
[37:48] staff. You know, I mean, not to toot our
horns, but, you know, it's always a nice
[37:52] thing to hear from the department where
they're at, but we are at full staff.
[37:56] Um, pretty much all those new hires are
are at the end or technically over the
[38:01] end of their probationary period. We
just need to get reviews finalized and
[38:06] probably next meeting you'll have uh
three of the four of those. The fourth
[38:10] one was hired late in December and is in
his EM is AMT class now uh which would
[38:17] be the LA one of the last requirements
on his probation. So, um, his may be
[38:23] extended just because that class kind of
ends at the end of his probation and
[38:27] he'll need to test and all that stuff,
but, um, that class is being held at the
[38:32] public safety building. We worked with
Becker training, uh, last year to run an
[38:37] EMT class in the fall, which was super
successful, put a lot of people in the
[38:41] area through. Um, and the same thing
this year. I mean, there's people from
[38:46] all over the place coming to it. Um, but
another good number from the area, from
[38:51] our department and surrounding
department. So, that's exciting. Um,
[38:57] I say we're at full staff. We're at full
staff career-wise. Our PDM cadre is is
[39:02] pretty good. Um, we still miss a
Saturday or a Sunday coverage period
[39:06] here and there just based on
availability. Um, a few more people may
[39:10] join into that uh pretty soon.
call company numbers are are still kind
[39:17] of an issue. You know, we're even at the
staffing level of three and basically
[39:22] five of us around during the daytime.
Um, and some of the good stuff we've
[39:27] been able to do because of that, you
still need a a good active call company.
[39:31] Um, and our our call company, what we
have left is is good and solid and have
[39:35] been around for a while and and know
what uh what is going on.
[39:40] What's kind of exciting is uh it's been
a lot of travel and time away, but um
[39:46] I've been to a number of conferences
really this year. Um kind of partly in
[39:51] that position as the president of the
fire chief's association was at least
[39:55] helped pay for some of it. Um but the
New England division of IFC has a
[39:59] recruitment and retention safer grant
right now. It's just over $3.3 million.
[40:05] Um, a big chunk of that is the ability
for basically almost every department in
[40:10] the New England area to take um and
bring on up to five, provided the
[40:16] funding stays, up to five new caller
volunteer responders. They reimburse
[40:22] $400 of a physical. They reimburse
$4,100 worth of gear. Uh, they'll
[40:28] reimburse, I think it's like 2500 or
something like that toward those initial
[40:33] trainings. fire one, fire two, EMT. Um,
we're just going to have people to take
[40:38] advantage of it. So, yes, it would
still, you know, if we could bring on,
[40:42] you know, two or three people and take
advantage of that or just one person
[40:45] take advantage of that grant, it would
still cost us, we'll call it 2500 or
[40:50] $3,000, but offset by, you know, 7
$8,000 worth of grant funds, which would
[40:57] be great. Um, the IAFF has a marketing
campaign supposedly designed toward uh
[41:05] the generation Z crowd um called the
hustle worth having. There's not a lot
[41:11] of money per se, but it's marketing
material that you can have access to and
[41:14] get banners and postcards and some
social media marketing out there. So,
[41:19] now that I've kind of gone through that
conference cycle and we're starting to
[41:22] put some plans together, we'll at least
start pushing it out there and if we can
[41:26] capture some people, that'd be
fantastic.
[41:29] Um,
so we're uh I think I said we're a
[41:34] little behind during the last update,
just statistically a few percent behind.
[41:38] Um, we're probably still a few behind,
but we just went over a thousand calls
[41:43] and did a couple more today. So, um,
that keeps us back on track for our what
[41:48] we've seen the last couple years around
1500 calls for the year. Um,
[41:53] some of the recent incidents, uh, you
know, I'm obviously as the fire chief,
[41:58] I'm super proud of how they've gone.
We've had a number of fires in the area,
[42:02] both outside and structural fires. Um,
obviously the the big one was the Manor
[42:08] Estates one. Um,
and that was a crazy amount of fire uh
[42:15] in a five six five
>> five unit
[42:18] » five unit, right? Townhouse style condo.
Um, and while there was some fire damage
[42:24] to one of the adjoining units and some
water damage to the other adjoining
[42:29] unit, we've basically kept it to the to
the uh unit of origin, which is
[42:34] » really at the end of the day almost
unheard of in the fire service. It's a
[42:39] nonprotected building. Uh, a number of
of residents and past residents will
[42:45] claim that there are firewalls. there
are not firewalls uh separating those uh
[42:49] occupancies.
Um wow.
[42:52] » So, you know, certainly that crew that
day and and Deputy Doll taking command
[42:57] initially cuz I was in vacation mode and
out of town and then was back off of
[43:01] vacation mode and back here for it. But,
um they did a fantastic job. Uh and it
[43:07] really just comes down to right having
the staffing, having the training, and
[43:11] having that mindset of, you know, we're
going to get there with a quick
[43:14] response. we're going to aggressively
attack this fire. Um and and then just
[43:19] the ton of training that they do. So, uh
very proud of them and the mutual aid
[43:24] partners. We had a great turnout for
mutual aid. Um which we really rely on,
[43:29] right? Cuz not only for manpower and for
other pieces of equipment. We've only
[43:33] got so many fire trucks at the end of
the day. Um but we needed another
[43:36] ladder. Ashlin's ladder came down um and
assisted with that.
[43:42] It's in the hydrant district, which is
great. But if you want to get water on
[43:46] the fire fast, somebody coming in behind
you, which is usually a mutual aid
[43:50] partner, needs to get that water supply
established. And and uh it happened
[43:54] relatively quickly. Some stuff we
reviewed, but for the most part it was
[43:58] fine. Um because those partners, New
Hampton, New Hampton has some hydrants,
[44:02] but New Hampton, Alexandria,
Bridgewwater, companies like that, they
[44:05] don't have hydrants, but they train with
us all the time or they work with us all
[44:08] the time and and we can trust them to
get that done. So, um, that was a big
[44:13] one. Uh, obviously very visible, but it
was it was a big stop and a and a good
[44:18] job for the department. Um, I also want
to point out with some of those uh
[44:24] events and and kind of thank the board
for when we replaced car one last year,
[44:29] it allowed us to keep the old car one,
make it car 3. We haven't labeled it
[44:33] yet, but um to make it car 3. So, it
gives I apologize. I meant to start
[44:39] here. For those of you who don't know,
this is Deputy Chief Aaron Heath.
[44:43] He's been around a while, but he I keep
him in an office and don't let him out
[44:47] very often. So, um, but he's here one to
kind of get a feel for this, but two, as
[44:53] we talk about engine two, we let headed
up that truck committee. So, um, even
[44:57] though I don't think we'll get too in
the weeds on that tonight, hopefully he
[45:01] can, you know, answer questions or tell
me that I'm wrong. So
[45:07] up until that point, Aaron in his role
as a deputy doing a lot of fire
[45:11] prevention work, attending a lot of
meetings, um would use the utility
[45:14] truck. And one of the big things that I
wanted to be able to do when we went to
[45:18] that staffing of three is to use the
utility truck, which is a smaller
[45:22] vehicle, more normal for people to drive
as, you know, to chase, right? Hey, we
[45:28] need an extra set of hands versus
sending an engine like a lot of bigger
[45:31] cities do or other towns do cuz it's
crazy to put a million dollar 40 50
[45:37] 60,000lb vehicle on the road just to go
give a hand when we have a pickup truck
[45:42] that can do the same thing. Um, but when
Aaron's using the pickup truck most
[45:47] every hour of every day, it doesn't
afford to. So, you're chasing the
[45:51] ambulance or the rescue or whatever. So,
it gives him a vehicle to use routinely
[45:55] during the day. gives his gears there,
whatever. What else we've been able to
[45:59] do is like, you know, especially April
vacation, not that Aaron doesn't have
[46:03] kids, he doesn't go on vacation. Uh
myself, Deputy Dollar are usually
[46:08] somewhere out of state during April
vacation. So, April vacation, he could
[46:12] take that car home, quickly respond
back. We had like two brush fire
[46:16] incidents during that week, you know, in
the weekend and overnight period. That
[46:20] was basically like having me still
around or or Doof in town dealing with
[46:25] it. Uh we did the same thing um when I
went to Alaska at the end of July and
[46:30] then this month most of the month on and
off he's had it uh kind of going back
[46:35] and forth and deal with meetings and
call backs. Same thing we had the the
[46:39] fire on Roundtop was in that time
period. Aaron was able to quickly get
[46:43] back. Um, so we're super appreciative
that we still have that and uh we'll
[46:48] continue to kind of work it that way and
working toward ultimately kind of where
[46:53] everybody um where most other
departments are at and that you know
[46:58] eventually that becomes a more normal
take-home vehicle for those for those
[47:02] period times. But triing it has worked
out exactly like we expected it to. Um
[47:08] so more to talk about that at some
point. But
[47:12] that's car 3. Budget prep. Obviously,
we're going to hit budget in another
[47:16] month, but that's kind of a big one
right now with um
[47:21] everybody's kind of on the schedule.
Aaron's got project areas or budget
[47:24] lines that he manages. Every officer
pretty much has a budget line or project
[47:29] area and then some of the firefighters
as well. So, those meetings are
[47:33] scheduled for like the next week or two.
Um I think the early look we're in
[47:38] pretty good shape. Obviously, you know,
we presented it last year, right? That
[47:42] our budget, it's 80 plus% personnel. Not
a lot you can do about it. Out of that
[47:47] 20%
uh that's left over, about half of it,
[47:51] there's really nothing we can do. It's
EMS billing. It's uh the dispatch
[47:56] contract. There's some kind of required
and statutory maintenance in there that
[48:01] got to have a contract. You got to have
those expenses. So, while 10% of our
[48:05] budget is a fair amount of money, it
really only leaves 10% to kind of from
[48:09] one year to the next get projects done.
And um we've been pretty effective, I
[48:14] think, the last couple years doing that
where that 10% doesn't see much of an
[48:18] increase. We can say things like, you
know, last year, the year before, there
[48:22] was some money to upfit the new
ambulance. That's a project. We've
[48:26] completed it. We don't need those funds
anymore, but now it's time to repair
[48:29] pagers or we need to, you know, it's a
big year where we do hydro testing, not
[48:34] hydro testing, but uh yeah, hydro
testing on on all the air pack bottles
[48:39] um and move those funds around to use
it. We did it with training last year um
[48:44] largely because of that training
contract. My hope this year is not only
[48:47] to keep it funded there, but it maybe
potentially even go a little bit higher.
[48:51] Um, I tell our crew and especially the
officers all the time, we really have
[48:56] three jobs. We need to respond to
emergencies. We need to make sure
[49:00] equipment's ready to respond to
emergencies and people are ready to
[49:02] respond to emergencies.
And we respond to emergencies. And
[49:07] certainly the work we've done and and
what we'll talk about with engine 2 and
[49:10] the upcoming ambulance purchase, we've
set ourselves up to have, you know, at
[49:14] least good equipment and then we
maintain it on a day-to-day basis. That
[49:18] training number has never really been a
good number for a long time, but
[49:22] especially now with 11 full-time guys on
the floor, Aaron, myself, and the rest
[49:29] of the staff, it just needs to be a
bigger number to ensure that they're
[49:32] getting what they need training wise.
Um, so we'll talk about that during the
[49:37] budget stuff, but that's kind of a big
goal for me this year.
[49:41] Uh, one of the projects, so I use budget
prep time. It's a good time of year,
[49:47] right? You're in that last third. You're
in the home stretch to say, "What
[49:50] haven't we got done? What do we still
need to get done? And then maybe through
[49:53] budget constraints, what do we need to
hold off on?" So, that'll be the focus
[49:57] over the next two weeks, getting
everybody aligned for the rest of the
[50:01] season. Um, one of those projects that
wasn't necessarily on the radar. It it
[50:06] is, you know, in the plan in the next
year or two, we would replace the
[50:10] hydraulic tools, but um there's some
really good uh trade in value stuff
[50:15] right now. We started that process.
Captain Marsh started that process over
[50:19] like the last month. Uh has gotten
vendor numbers, had all the vendors in
[50:24] for product demos. Um so probably in the
next month I'll be bringing that forward
[50:29] to at least look at and and see if we
want to move forward with it this year
[50:32] or not. Um I just I'll take a chance to
or a moment to say thank you as usual to
[50:38] Steam Gilpatrick and Gilpatrick Metal
Recycling.
[50:42] anytime we call and particularly during
these demos, we've got a bunch of cars
[50:46] up, which certainly isn't a big deal to
him, but we appreciate the space and the
[50:50] ability to just go up there. And there
was even some confusion on the last one.
[50:54] He said, "I just go down there. Don't
cut my torch truck. Cut whatever else
[50:58] you want effectively, you know." So, um,
we certainly appreciate their help. Uh,
[51:04] whether it's that or safe prom exercises
or other stuff we do at the station, uh,
[51:08] they're always awesome.
So, the only other stuff to get into is
[51:14] kind of where we're at on on the
ambulance and engine replacements. And I
[51:18] bring up the ambulance uh for kind of a
reason. So, the ambulance um we had
[51:25] gotten a number last year when we took
delivery of the truck. Hey, obviously
[51:29] we've we're paying the price on 3 years
ago. Where are we at now? Uh that number
[51:35] has inflated a lot more than I
anticipated.
[51:38] That said, I asked Lieutenant O'Neal
when he started looking into the
[51:42] ambulance prices and and new
specifications,
[51:45] where are we at when it comes to
remounting, right? I've talked about it
[51:49] for years. I wanted to be there. The
only issue is that we have to remount
[51:53] that ambulance onto a van chassis.
We have two four-wheel drive trucks. If
[52:00] we buy a van and it's really cruddy
weather, we can very easily switch over
[52:04] and run one of those first due during
that period. we can easily run over and
[52:09] and switch it to first due for the four
to eight however long winter is at this
[52:14] point. Three months some winters it
seems like. But um so that price is
[52:21] about half of buying a new truck
ambulance. So that's going to make a ton
[52:26] of sense. Uh it's obviously going to
give us some wiggle room in that plan.
[52:32] um that down the road, like was talking
to Scott earlier about the replacement
[52:37] numbers and projecting them. I feel
pretty good about them, but we're, you
[52:42] know, a couple years out from
potentially ordering the ladder. We're
[52:46] 14 years out from from engine 4.
If there's a little bit more increase
[52:51] than we anticipate, now we know there's,
you know, probably 100 to 150 grand
[52:56] total that we've we've kind of saved
here and can be used down the road,
[53:01] which would be great. So, depending on
how some of this other discussion goes
[53:05] tonight, we'll probably won't be back
until about this time next year to
[53:11] approve the remount on the ambulance.
Obviously, we're taking one of the three
[53:16] ambulances that we have. It goes out
pretty frequently. we use it for detail
[53:20] coverage. Um, and so we kind of have to
time when that goes out. So roughly that
[53:25] October, November time frame. If it goes
out to, I think it's Missouri. Um,
[53:30] right now, we'll see where we end up,
but if it goes out to Missouri, it's
[53:34] there for up to 6 months, probably at
least 5 months. Now it's back in May. We
[53:39] get it back ahead of summer season, swim
with a mission detail, and then football
[53:44] details in the fall. So, um,
if the money's not quite right, we'll
[53:49] have to wait another year. At least
waiting another year on the ambulance at
[53:54] a 5% increase is $10,000 more as opposed
to waiting another year on the engine,
[54:00] which is $50 to $70,000 more. Um, so
that's where the ambulance is at. Just
[54:08] kind of a it's coming, but not quite
yet.
[54:11] » What do you do with that? Do you drive
that out there or do you put it on a
[54:13] truck? Well, actually, now that I say
that, the company they were talking
[54:18] about was Tennessee,
and I was thinking about driving it out
[54:22] and maybe lining up a water val.
[54:28] » Yeah.
>> Um, but yeah, we'll evaluate, you know,
[54:32] is it is it uh which is more cost
effective, right? You know, depending on
[54:38] sometimes you look into shipping stuff
like that and it's surprisingly cheaper
[54:41] than you think it would be. And then
sometimes you're like, "Yeah, another
[54:44] $5,000 when
>> an airline ticket or two, you know."
[54:49] » Yeah.
>> And whatever. And some fuel. Um,
[54:53] so yeah, all that'll be ironed out. Then
engine two. So, engine 2 really for the
[55:00] past two years now or better part of two
years, deputy chief uh deputy Heath and
[55:06] and the group that he put together has
been looking at um the replacement of
[55:11] engine 2. That's we've been talking
about it for a while now. That's why we
[55:15] made a bunch of moves uh at town meeting
this year and uh and it's it's time to
[55:20] move forward with it. So,
we uh as a kind of reminder or or
[55:27] education, engine 2 is our first due
truck. It's our primary attack piece. It
[55:32] has 50 some odd thousand miles on it now
at this point. Um after about 20 21
[55:38] years or 21 years in service. Um
>> believe.
[55:42] » Yeah. Yeah. Cuz remember when we bought
it?
[55:45] » Cuz I had been here for a little while
before we bought it.
[55:48] » Right.
>> Yeah. Remember, we were gonna buy a
[55:51] ladder, right?
>> And then we bought an engine,
[55:54] » right?
>> And then we quickly bought a ladder,
[55:56] which of course is an issue for now,
too. But,
[55:59] » um, so engine two is the first new
truck. Engine two, it's come up a couple
[56:04] times. When this thing we sign off on it
and it gets delivered, you're going to
[56:08] look and go, did we get anything
different? Um, it'll look somewhat
[56:11] different, right? Side by side, but it's
going to be largely the same. We did a
[56:15] re I think I wasn't heading it up, but I
was on that committee. We did a really
[56:20] good job designing Engine 2 when we
first got it. Now 20 years have gone by.
[56:25] The call company looks a little
different. Our mutual aid partners look
[56:28] a little different. You know, part of
that is, hey, if we could put some more
[56:32] water on it, we don't need another
tanker, but another 250 gallons of water
[56:36] is another minute and a half worth of
active firefighting for that mutual aid
[56:41] company to come and and get the hydrant
connected. or when we're out of the
[56:46] hydrant district, another tanker to show
up and somebody to start drafted out of
[56:50] the Remmit Pond or Mooney Clark or
whatever. So, um we also do a lot on our
[56:56] rear hose loads. So, that for me, not a
big deal that they're 7 ft in the air,
[57:01] but getting them down to 4 and 1 half,
5T or whatever makes a huge difference
[57:06] for for everybody else deploying those
hose loads. Um,
[57:12] and then you know obviously between LED
and low voltage stuff, we've come leaps
[57:17] and bounds in 20 years and the idea of
having another hydraulic generator that
[57:21] we're replacing the stator on every 5
years goes out the window, put an
[57:25] inverter and all 12vt light system on.
So um,
[57:31] that is kind of the high level where
we're at with engine 2. Um, I put in
[57:37] this that I sent you just kind of what
the financial picture looks like, you
[57:41] know, as I have it laid out, what we
were working on and you saw bigger
[57:45] versions of this last year as we had the
discussion on uh changing that revolving
[57:49] fund. Um,
that gives you something of a snapshot
[57:55] at least, you know, kind of through when
the ladder's potential payment will be
[57:58] done. We talked to I say we they I
didn't deal with any of it. um a number
[58:05] of companies. Uh so they're all listed
there. Four guys. Smeal, we have all
[58:09] SMEL right now. Um
I'll say it now. You know, SME's kind of
[58:16] out of the running based on their price.
We've been very satisfied with SMEL. Um
[58:22] and from a from a dealership standpoint,
I think overall we've been more or less
[58:27] satisfied with doing the fire equipment
apparatus. The issue is in 2005 and even
[58:33] still in 2009 when we got the ladder,
they had a great mobile service
[58:37] department. So even though they're in
Connecticut, they could come up pretty
[58:41] quickly. They were fairly fair on
pricing. They knew what they were doing.
[58:45] They were quick to resolve issues. That
just isn't the case anymore. If you take
[58:48] it down there, they still do a great job
fixing it, but taking it to Connecticut
[58:52] is a real pain in the in the butt. So,
um, when you have Lakes Region an hour
[58:59] away and and Dingy an hour that way and
a couple of better options that you can
[59:03] go to in the state, but they're
servicing other vehicles and and busy
[59:08] and not necessarily a spiel
manufacturer. So, um, Alexis Fire is
[59:14] sold by Lakes Region Fire. Uh, Sutin
Sutin we kind of knew was going to be a
[59:20] really high number and it it really was.
um uh and then Toy and Fire apparatus.
[59:27] So, we are kind of right now um down to
two of those manufacturers.
[59:34] They're super close pricing wise. Their
specs are super close. One of them got
[59:38] back a little bit late, but they are
kind of probably going to be the lower
[59:42] number. So, it's worth evaluating more.
Um just making sure that that spec
[59:47] really matches up correctly. Um, and so
probably at the next meeting, I would
[59:52] really like to be coming in here with uh
a sales agreement so that we can get
[59:57] that truck on order again.
Uh, oh, so Tuesday we will know we put
[1:00:06] in for one of the dees grants. So we did
a highway truck, I think, through a dees
[1:00:10] grant or at least we had looked at it.
>> Um, we that there's still money
[1:00:16] available. That grant was supposed to be
completely wrapped up. I think in the
[1:00:20] spring they still had about a million
and a half dollars.
[1:00:24] Pretty sure I know all the grants that
they've given out since. So they're down
[1:00:27] to probably about $750,000
now. Um with the August 31st was the
[1:00:33] this last deadline period. That'll
probably be the end of it would be my
[1:00:37] guess. They'll probably find three
places to award grants to or or five for
[1:00:42] smaller vehicles. The max on it is
$250,000.
[1:00:46] Um, you know, certainly the the one
disadvantage, and I bring it up because
[1:00:51] a budget committee and a member and I
have had a lot of conversations about
[1:00:55] it. It would kill any conversation over
keeping engine two as a reserve piece,
[1:01:00] the old engine too, which I'm not 100%
sold when the new one comes that that
[1:01:06] would even be a good option. If we get
the DAS grant, it's not right. We've got
[1:01:09] to punch a hole in the block and cut the
frame and send it off to Steen and get a
[1:01:13] few bucks for it. Um, but it's 250,000.
The issue is it's a reimbursement grant.
[1:01:20] So,
I think it'll be an interesting
[1:01:23] conversation on how what funds we apply
to the purchase to make sure that we
[1:01:28] don't screw up the the financial plans
that we kind of developed here over the
[1:01:32] last year. Um, because there's really no
way to then put that money back into the
[1:01:37] revolving fund because it has to be EMS
billing.
[1:01:40] And even if it comes from the CRF, then
you've got to, you know, make that sales
[1:01:44] pitch on the floor to say, "Hey, we we
didn't plan on using this. We got it as
[1:01:49] a grant, but let's let's return it or
put it in the general fund, but then
[1:01:53] kind of everything gets screwed up." So,
um, the warrant's an option, but then of
[1:01:59] course, if it doesn't pass, no means no.
And we ordered a fire truck 6 months
[1:02:02] before that. So, that could be a big
issue.
[1:02:07] Um, so that brings me to uh the
revolving fund and I'd like to just hit
[1:02:12] it really quick. There's a lot here. I
wasn't planning on talking about it and
[1:02:15] it was kind of last minute just throwing
stuff on there. Um, because I think they
[1:02:19] go hand in hand. The revolving fund, the
the big concern with the revolving fund
[1:02:23] right now is that we I knew going into
this really the first five years was
[1:02:30] going to be the trickiest five years.
We've got to get engine 2 ordered and
[1:02:33] paid for. We've got to get A1's
replacement ordered and paid for and we
[1:02:37] at least got to get the ladder ordered
in that time if not delivered but
[1:02:41] certainly ordered and so
um that money needs to be there
[1:02:46] obviously. One of the issues that we're
running into which is really good is
[1:02:51] that um we're well down out of that four
and five years that it was taken to get
[1:02:57] fire trucks. So, one of the bids right
now is uh like the max on it was 800
[1:03:05] days. So, it will put us roughly in
November of 2028,
[1:03:09] you know, for like next month if we
signed it this month. So, it' be
[1:03:12] November of 2028.
Well, that's all fine except if we're
[1:03:17] not making those depos if we're
continuing to make those deposits at the
[1:03:21] end of the year like we've done forever,
we're probably not going to have enough
[1:03:26] money to pay that bill potentially,
right? So the other issue is this. The
[1:03:32] other one is about 600 days which would
be May of 2028. I definitely know we're
[1:03:36] going to be struggling at that point.
My guess one of the questions knowing
[1:03:42] that that it would be asked and it's a
it's an important question from a cash
[1:03:45] standpoint is how many uh sales in the
last I asked three, they gave me two
[1:03:51] because that's kind of when the window
shrunk. in the last two years have
[1:03:57] I didn't have to ask exceed because none
of them have exceeded that timeline from
[1:04:01] that manufacturer in particular. How
many have come early? Cuz if it shows up
[1:04:06] at 700 days and I'm we're $100,000 short
in that fund. Now we're paying interest
[1:04:11] because we can't pay the bill. Right.
So, and the answer was in the last two
[1:04:15] years about 70% they've delivered ahead
of time. So my guess is in talking to
[1:04:21] Aaron and and it seems like the big
issue really is the chassis and the
[1:04:27] chassis time frames been moving up,
moving up, moving up, right, and getting
[1:04:30] shorter. And so now instead of, you
know, 2 years to get a chassis, we're
[1:04:34] down that quotes 12 to 14 months to get
a chassis. This 600 day one's more like
[1:04:40] 10 to 12 months to get a chassis.
They're the same chassis, which means
[1:04:44] this guy will get it early and instead
of 800 days, it's going to come in 600
[1:04:48] anyway, regardless of who we go with.
So, um, my big ask on the revolving fund
[1:04:55] side is the way that is written up, and
I I understand it says up to, and I
[1:05:01] don't I I believe the issue with the
language is it's not intended to say,
[1:05:07] and you're the board, you can decide
whatever you want, right? It's not
[1:05:10] intended to be, well, some years we
could do 400 or some years we could do
[1:05:13] 300 and then some years we could do up
to 500. It just sets the max. You could
[1:05:18] only put 500 in there. That's really the
intended use of that language. The other
[1:05:23] side of it is it's the first monies that
come in from billing revenue.
[1:05:28] I don't really care, right? But what I
do care about is in two years time we
[1:05:33] may owe a million, you know, 1.1 maybe a
little bit more for this fire truck and
[1:05:41] $3 to $400,000 for the ambulance remount
all at the same time when we have if we
[1:05:48] continue to make the deposit $500,000 at
a time in December, we're going to have
[1:05:53] about $1.1 million. So we can push the
ambulance and that's fine. and it'll get
[1:05:59] more expensive, not as more, you know,
much expensive. The other side of it is
[1:06:03] the more that that money is in that
fund, the more if it's in the general
[1:06:05] fund, it's getting bank interest. It's
in that fund. The trustees have it and
[1:06:09] they're doing a good job earning
interest on it. So, I would I would
[1:06:14] really like to see us say, you know,
whatever the procedure needs to be, but
[1:06:18] um Christina and I talked about it a
lot. You do it quarterly. Quarterly
[1:06:23] still puts you kind of in a bind for the
first few years. um maybe at some point
[1:06:28] you change it to quarterly so it's not
cumbers as cumbersome on on finance and
[1:06:33] the treasurer but if you go to monthly
um and you just oh we took this in last
[1:06:39] month and now by the second meeting of
February we're depositing that money in
[1:06:43] June and you can't necessarily say like
I wrote it up as $41,666
[1:06:49] right that's
>> an arbitrary number
[1:06:52] » well it's 500 divided by 12 right but
you you obviously can't do that cuz in
[1:06:57] January our receipts might be $23,000
and then we get to February and ski
[1:07:01] season picks up and we get a lot of
ragged checks and it's $65,000.
[1:07:06] Just take it and then once we hit 500,
which we're at now, it doesn't
[1:07:10] necessarily reflect in the books, but
we're over $500,000 now. So everything
[1:07:15] we collect now for the rest of the year
is good money that can go into the
[1:07:19] general fund and help offset the tax
rate. Um, and then we just stop doing
[1:07:23] it. And that's great.
>> Okay. You know, and it paints to me a
[1:07:26] little bit bigger picture because if
you're just doing 416, you come really
[1:07:29] close. But I know most of that 500,000
is going to be in there by May when
[1:07:35] those bills are due, which means there's
no real big issue. So that's that's the
[1:07:42] high level and we can get into it.
[1:07:47] » We don't have to keep the structure.
>> Okay. Um,
[1:07:51] so I guess here's the most intriguing
thing that you just said, which I think
[1:07:54] is awesome. So we've already hit the 500
for the year, right?
[1:07:59] » Um, so then that puts us in a positive
position.
[1:08:03] » Yes, we have. But if you're motioning to
move that tonight, you can't because
[1:08:07] » I'm not suggesting to do that. All I'm
suggesting is is I think we have to do a
[1:08:11] better job of reporting. It's this many
calls. It's produced this much. Like we
[1:08:16] just have to have a better way to be
able to take a look at that because I
[1:08:20] agree with you monthly if you collected
$24,682.79
[1:08:26] last month in in whatever my perspective
it should just move and sit over there
[1:08:33] and then it's just there. Um
the things that do come to mind though
[1:08:39] like just generically particularly about
the ambulance.
[1:08:44] I'm not saying we shouldn't have
ambulances, right? So it's this it's the
[1:08:48] same argument I've had before. At no
point am I telling you you shouldn't
[1:08:50] have the equipment you need to do the
job we need to do.
[1:08:53] » But I do think we have to be articulate
in each vehicle we expected to do
[1:08:58] roughly x number of calls. It's it we're
we have that load to maintain three
[1:09:04] vehicles. Mhm.
>> Right. Um,
[1:09:07] we I don't think we should just talk
about the aggregate of we've got a
[1:09:12] thousand calls or whatever whatever the
number is. Right. I'm not trying to say
[1:09:16] that because I'm I'm devaluing the
things that you guys do because that's
[1:09:20] not the case at all. It's more of we've
got three ambulances. We we've set it up
[1:09:25] that way to go in three different
directions. And you know, even your
[1:09:28] explanation of the pickup truck earlier
is a great one, right? because I cited
[1:09:33] it the other day when we were talking
about uh the backho for the highway
[1:09:36] department, right? Hey, it's not quite
dead yet. You know, it's almost like the
[1:09:40] Monty Python thing. I'm not dead yet,
right? Like that's the thing that I keep
[1:09:44] hearing, right? But like, all right, we
still have use, but but to have use
[1:09:50] means there is a maintenance fee, there
is fuel, there is there is just stuff
[1:09:54] that goes along with the thing.
I think it behooves us to make sure that
[1:09:59] we're justifying that we keep the
things,
[1:10:03] » right? So, I just want to make sure that
as we kind of go through all this, we we
[1:10:07] evaluate. So, we look at ambulance one
and we go, "Okay, now we have three
[1:10:11] vehicles.
Here's the call rate. Here's how we look
[1:10:15] at it. They're going out this many
times. They're responding this many
[1:10:19] miles." What whatever whatever the good
>> criterion is. And I say good because
[1:10:25] sometimes what I would do is I would try
to compare us to similar types of
[1:10:29] communities. Okay, they do these things,
they have this many things, but but now
[1:10:34] we also provide contract services to
these other towns, right? Like it
[1:10:39] doesn't have to be perfect comparisons,
but but that way that's how we bring
[1:10:45] along people that aren't experts or
professionals in the field.
[1:10:49] » So like that that's the things that I
keep like ring in my head. So, like when
[1:10:54] you talk about the the pickup in
particular, I'm like, "Okay, when you
[1:10:58] because when you came in last year and
we talked about it, I think I asked this
[1:11:01] question last time
because I think one of the explanations
[1:11:05] was, hey, we don't have to send the
engine when there's an ambulatory call.
[1:11:09] We can send the pickup."
>> Mhm.
[1:11:11] » Did we do that? How successful was it?
We did it x number of times, which then
[1:11:15] saved us and puts us in a better
position for the engine. You know what I
[1:11:18] mean? Like that kind of stuff.
>> Yeah.
[1:11:20] » So, there you go. But I I like, by the
way, thank you for the table, right?
[1:11:24] Because I think that demonstrates what
we talked about last year because one
[1:11:29] way or another to hit that $2 million
number that you've got in the bottom
[1:11:33] there at 2032,
>> right?
[1:11:35] » We were either
keeping it in the general fund and sort
[1:11:39] of squishing it around, not really
seeing it, per se,
[1:11:42] » and then going, we still need $2 million
or here's how we're going to cash flow
[1:11:49] effectively. Right? So anyway,
that's that's my spiel.
[1:11:55] » Christina, how's the overall the general
fund? What would the impact to you be if
[1:12:02] this was done monthly?
>> I think monthly is better. Um well,
[1:12:07] monthly or
>> we'll start with monthly, but
[1:12:11] » I think monthly is better. Um because
you're you're spreading out the impact
[1:12:15] over the 12 months instead of we wait
till May. We haven't got taxes in. No.
[1:12:20] So, we have to give 400,000 or whatever
at that time. It hits us harder if we
[1:12:27] But monthly we're spreading it out and
we can plan it.
[1:12:30] » But but the thing is it's it's coming in
anyways, right? Like it's sitting there.
[1:12:34] It means we're not borrowing against it
is really what it comes out. Correct.
[1:12:40] Cash for things is kind of what I'm
getting at.
[1:12:43] » So, right now we're using his money.
His money not. we're using the money to
[1:12:50] pay bills potentially, right?
>> Um where we have we aren't we haven't
[1:12:54] taken a tan if we don't have to take
tan.
[1:12:57] » But I get where he's coming from though
because he's planning on that interest
[1:13:01] in those accounts to be able to continue
to pay those buy those vehicles.
[1:13:06] » So I just want and I brought it up to
you Scott earlier but and I I've said it
[1:13:12] to a few people. So the issue is
I would never I I wouldn't sit here
[1:13:18] tonight and say hey starting now we
should do this monthly and get you to do
[1:13:23] it. The big reason is right because
everybody knows you set tax rate last
[1:13:27] November and last November you
anticipated that $500,000 in re or
[1:13:32] $450,000 in revenue being there
>> and that's what the tax rate was set on.
[1:13:38] So, not like it's a huge influx or or I
mean it's going to I talked about it's
[1:13:42] roughly the 30 potentially 30. But now
when you set the tax rate at the end of
[1:13:47] this year, you're not going to be
calculating that 500,000 in revenue. So
[1:13:51] that tax rate should be set a little bit
more appropriately.
[1:13:55] » Yeah. you know, and you combine that
with, you know, like I said to Christina
[1:13:58] earlier next month or later this month,
there's whatever the number is, $250,
[1:14:04] $300,000 coming in from the second half
of the EMS contracts. And, you know,
[1:14:08] splitting that between April and
September helps some cash flow. So, um I
[1:14:13] certainly again I would never have
recommended to do it this year because
[1:14:18] » cash flow issues. we would had bigger
cash flow issues. But moving forward and
[1:14:23] at least through that tricky period and
then maybe you know we reevaluate in a
[1:14:27] few years and say we could go to
quarterly because the the purchases are
[1:14:31] spread out more. But to get us through
the next couple of years a system like
[1:14:35] that is going to make a ton of sense.
>> So I think monthly is better though
[1:14:40] because it does spread
>> eventually. I mean, but but I I agree,
[1:14:44] right? Cuz like the whole point isn't
like, oh my god, it's a light switch. We
[1:14:48] got we're either on or off. It needs to
be how do we get there effectively? And
[1:14:52] it does come back to cash flow. So, it's
not going to
[1:14:58] » But we do have to decide what we're
moving now.
[1:15:03] Um, if we're going to move something now
and
[1:15:08] » I think it'd be a good thing to move
something sooner than the end of the
[1:15:11] year because if nothing else, you got a
few extra months that you're you're
[1:15:14] earning interest on it and and earning
interest on
[1:15:18] 400,000 or whatever, whatever might get
moved is a pretty significant number.
[1:15:23] Um,
yeah. I guess to to John's point too is,
[1:15:29] you know, even if we said, "Well, let's
start this in July of next year or a
[1:15:34] little bit later." The real big one is
those that first five months of 2028,
[1:15:39] making sure that that all of that's
there because the rest of it is the rest
[1:15:42] of it. I don't have it I haven't
factored in earning on a an annual
[1:15:46] basis, right? So,
>> anything I figured out interest on that
[1:15:51] fund is is annual anyway. It's just that
last 5 to 6 months before those bills
[1:15:57] come due, we need that half, so to
speak, um, of that year's deposit.
[1:16:05] So, you know, if it doesn't happen until
another, you know, if it takes another
[1:16:08] month or two or we wait till we know
there's 500 and then we're just doing it
[1:16:13] once for this year,
>> I think I'm happy with it. still there's
[1:16:16] a good plan.
>> Since we're in September and we've
[1:16:19] already got the 500,
>> do we know roughly I mean projection
[1:16:24] wise what do we think is coming in
between the rest of September, October
[1:16:29] and November and December? Like is it
another 100,000?
[1:16:33] » You mean for just ambulance patient? I
think
[1:16:37] » 100,000 is is would be a conservative
number. I think it'll be a little bit
[1:16:41] more than that. Um, and we've got a
pretty decent way of at least, you know,
[1:16:46] taking the previous year's numbers and
projecting it out against what we've
[1:16:51] seen for increases. So, um, we're at
like it's like 530 540, but again,
[1:16:56] that's the number that Ingret gave me
for up to the end of August yesterday.
[1:17:00] So, not all of that's been booked,
right?
[1:17:03] » The reason I asked the question is is
okay, let's just for argument sake, it's
[1:17:07] conservative. It's $100,000, right? So
that means it's $635,000
[1:17:12] for the year.
>> So we know if there's another hundred
[1:17:14] coming depending on how we move. We we
you know we can make a conservative
[1:17:19] estimate and use that in our cash flow
calculation.
[1:17:22] » Yeah. my my guess and this is just my
two cents like um we maybe do some math
[1:17:32] with what's where with either Deb or
with with Ruby and we do the whatever we
[1:17:38] want to move on the 17th
like actually do the calculations
[1:17:42] because between now and a couple of
weeks I'm not sure it necessarily
[1:17:45] matters
>> right
[1:17:47] » but at least you know that way we don't
just sort of like pick a number out out
[1:17:51] of the air.
>> Yeah.
[1:17:53] Yeah, because if I looked at the system
right now, it's only 470,000 booked
[1:17:58] does, but I can see that there are some
unooked deposits in the system. So,
[1:18:03] » and again, if we're planning on just
using the number for now, 100,000 and
[1:18:07] you know, obviously that's conservative.
are great. Then we can sort of back into
[1:18:12] it to figure out what's a good number to
move between now and
[1:18:16] » probably by then too I will also come
back to you to talk to you about
[1:18:21] um because we only have a million of the
tan that we're allowed to take if we
[1:18:26] need to. And um
my I'm thinking we should close this tan
[1:18:32] out and open a new one. It's going to
cost us $500 in document fees and a
[1:18:37] little bit of legal, but I think it
would be better to have the full 1.7
[1:18:41] potentially that we can have than to
only have a million if we needed more
[1:18:46] than a million. I don't want to put us
in a spot that we have no money. So,
[1:18:50] » yeah,
>> but I should know more by the 17th. So,
[1:18:55] » all right.
>> Anyways, that's just my two cents on you
[1:19:00] may want to pick a number, but I I'd
rather do the math. No, I think we we
[1:19:03] have we'll have the information and we
can we can make that decision.
[1:19:08] » I do think the monthly is the way to go.
>> Yep.
[1:19:12] » Well, you could. So,
>> yeah. one thing. How do you uh how how
[1:19:16] do you feel about making that motion to
approve that for starting January 1st?
[1:19:20] We would um issue monthly payments to
the cap to the ambulance fund so that
[1:19:28] it's all set for next year or do you
feel that we have to make that vote
[1:19:31] every year?
>> That'd be monthly until you hit
[1:19:36] basically everything until you hit
>> right.
[1:19:40] And if we had to revisit it, you can
always revisit it. But I don't know how
[1:19:44] you feel about I I if you're comfortable
with the monthly, which I am
[1:19:48] comfortable. I think it's a good plan.
Um
[1:19:52] then then we know starting June 1st
we're all set. We don't have to talk
[1:19:55] about it again. We just have to figure
out what we're doing this year. But next
[1:19:59] year we just start normal. So or do you
want to wait and have that discussion
[1:20:04] next week too? Next meeting too.
>> Personally, I think we just do them
[1:20:08] together. That way we that way we just
have one discussion of the the process
[1:20:12] and the number and how we get between
now and the end of the year.
[1:20:17] » Not avoiding it. Just I want to
>> just kind of think think a little
[1:20:22] cleaner.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
[1:20:26] » Chief, as always, thank you. It's a it's
a a lot of information
[1:20:31] talking about uh drinking from a fire
hose.
[1:20:35] All right. Uh but um it's it's well
worth it and well needed. You know, I
[1:20:46] like you said, we you know, we bought
the we were looking at buying a an
[1:20:50] engine u a ladder and we had a committee
put together and they decided to
[1:20:56] » and I and I voted for it at the time,
but but you're right. It's like, okay,
[1:20:59] well, all of a sudden you have to make a
decision. Right. Right. And uh this is I
[1:21:05] think better for us to have long-term
planning, long range planning and and
[1:21:10] all of you guys' work on that is is much
appreciated.
[1:21:14] » Yeah. Thank you.
>> Um
[1:21:18] so I I will just say the only other
thing I have is is
[1:21:22] next week uh not next week, next meeting
the plan is to come forward with that
[1:21:28] sales agreement once we've you know
hashed through all those. They did a ton
[1:21:31] of it today. So, they're probably at
that point, but I haven't heard any of
[1:21:34] it yet. So, the, you know, the next
meeting, um, we'll have some stuff,
[1:21:40] right? If you're going to spend 1.1
million or whatever that number is, you
[1:21:43] should at least see a picture or drawing
of it. So, we'll bring some of that
[1:21:47] stuff.
>> Well, hold on. I I brought a picture for
[1:21:49] you today.
>> Yeah, there you go.
[1:21:51] » That's it.
>> Yeah, that might be our old truck.
[1:21:56] » That's from the guys in River. I was
down at Uber today and they were serving
[1:22:00] lunch right out of the pizza. The pizza
on right in the back. That's awesome.
[1:22:04] » So,
>> literally big fire.
[1:22:06] » Yeah.
>> I asked uh one of the manufacturers, you
[1:22:10] know, a bunch of specific questions that
I that I think would be interesting. A
[1:22:13] lot of that stuff was around the
delivery time stuff.
[1:22:16] » Um particularly around overrun stuff,
which we had started hearing was a
[1:22:22] thing. They're claiming it's really not.
They have no increases over contract
[1:22:28] price outside of change orders. Right.
We really want to see a rolling tray in
[1:22:32] that compartment. It's going to be an
extra $2,000. Um, so I have that and
[1:22:38] I'll have it ready in case it gets
asked. I certainly whether it's sitting
[1:22:42] here tonight or between now and then, if
there's something specific about the
[1:22:47] engine or whatever that you'd like to
know, um, that we can have some prep
[1:22:52] time for, that'd be great. But,
>> okay. Otherwise, we'll it'll mostly be
[1:22:57] him talking about the engine next in two
weeks.
[1:23:00] » Awesome.
>> Time to shine.
[1:23:03] » Yeah.
>> Time to do something.
[1:23:05] Time to use all that sick time
>> that I throw away every year.
[1:23:11] » Yeah.
>> All right.
[1:23:13] » Good stuff.
>> Cool. Y Thank you guys.
[1:23:15] » Before they leave, sorry.
Um, I did want to um I did,
[1:23:21] this is a request that had come in for
weeks ago, but I actually will tell
[1:23:26] everybody I dropped the ball, but I did
talk to Chris and Chief today, Chief
[1:23:30] Bean and Chief Lurish um about um John
Miller had requested going back to a
[1:23:36] quarterly uh quarterly session, a
discussion about the public safety
[1:23:40] building and any of the outstanding
issues on the building. So, I had
[1:23:44] reached out to Chris and Ben today um
and um go we've got a list, but
[1:23:51] apparently there are some new things
that we just found out today about
[1:23:55] during our tour, a new item. But I just
wanted to touch base on some of the
[1:23:59] stuff that had come up in the
quarterly session and then we can let
[1:24:05] Ben know the new item in case he didn't
know. But um
[1:24:10] the bathroom um there had been brought
up in the quarterly session that the
[1:24:16] pitch was not correct pitch so it was
clogging. Um what I told you at the
[1:24:23] quarterly session was that they had
changed out the toilet to a powerful
[1:24:26] flush. So I have found out today that
that is there's as far as we know there
[1:24:32] have not been any additional issues
since that one time shortly after they
[1:24:35] moved in. Oh, okay.
>> Yep. So,
[1:24:40] » for the record, I use it frequently.
>> Well, it's gonna be all right. Well,
[1:24:45] yeah. Go.
>> Whatever it takes.
[1:24:50] » Listen, at the end of the day, it's like
obviously, and you guys know this, we
[1:24:54] want you to have the right stuff
>> and there's a lot of lot of stuff
[1:24:58] invested in there, right? You know, the
sort of the the the biggest
[1:25:04] biggest thing that sends me sort of
sideways is when we start the
[1:25:08] conversation with nobody's at fault. At
the end of the day, the taxpayers over
[1:25:12] the building no matter what we do,
right? So, I'm just trying to make sure
[1:25:16] like we've spent a lot of money on the
building. It needs to be a certain way.
[1:25:20] We shouldn't be
accepting of a Yeah, that's that's still
[1:25:25] a thing. Like, you know, we should make
sure it's right. That's
[1:25:28] » Are you guys in for the tax?
>> There's some There's some issues, right?
[1:25:32] There's a few things that kind of are on
the list, aren't on the list or or
[1:25:35] things that we've talked about. There's
there's phone issues that continue.
[1:25:39] That's outside of the building project.
The, you know, maybe the granite curving
[1:25:44] was never the right way. I think it
looks great, but um
[1:25:47] » that's a separate issue.
>> Yeah. So, there's some granite. You
[1:25:50] might have noticed it today. That's
that's out of place. That was
[1:25:54] » Victor had a lot of new people last
year. They didn't really start out with
[1:25:57] the same plan as we had the year
previous.
[1:26:01] » Couple of pieces got dislodged and we'll
continue to to work with Victor and
[1:26:05] figure out getting those replaced. Not
rep, but re,
[1:26:08] » you know, fixed up. Um, really the the
the three big issues that we've had with
[1:26:14] that building were those ceiling units,
the the heater units, um, which was a
[1:26:20] failure of the HVAC company that Grew
and took care of.
[1:26:24] » All set. Um, so they're all all three of
them are brand new and they've been
[1:26:29] converted for propane use.
>> Were those through the whole building?
[1:26:33] » Yeah, cuz
>> So there's
[1:26:35] » people didn't want to follow my plan as
far as how we how we were going to heat
[1:26:40] the apparatus bay and they got fired up
and so it smoked those ones too in in
[1:26:44] our side which very rarely run with that
radiant heating. Um, so those got
[1:26:50] replaced, grew took care of it. um the
floor pit the floor the drainage pitch
[1:26:56] issue there which it had to be somewhere
along the lines because myself and Earl
[1:27:01] metal miss from the state did all the
plumbing inspections and everything was
[1:27:05] was in the right spot at the time
whatever during installation
[1:27:09] » um and to your point it's somebody's
fault but who knows what fault it was we
[1:27:14] did we did you know that was the first
and I will say right and Gwin may or may
[1:27:19] not be in business anymore but uh They
that was the plan. Hey, let's try this,
[1:27:26] right? Cuz obviously if we, you know,
buy a new $500 toilet, that's much
[1:27:31] better than ripping this whole thing up.
>> But they were ready. If if it didn't
[1:27:35] work, they were going to rip that whole
thing up and figure it out. And I think
[1:27:39] it worked fine. We haven't had any
issues with it. Um, and then the one
[1:27:44] kind of outstanding one that that Tim
has started to slash has a plan to
[1:27:50] address at the PD is the drainage out of
the Sallyport. Um, I was never super in
[1:27:56] love with how we designed that, but the
police chief at the time, who was my
[1:28:01] cohort and figuring this out with the
building background and the whole nine
[1:28:04] yards, said, "Oh, this will be fine."
>> It probably was never going to be fine,
[1:28:09] but that's how we moved forward.
um it probably didn't get done even to
[1:28:13] the way he envisioned it, but at that
point he wasn't here anymore. So I was
[1:28:17] like, there's a pitch to it. I guess
it's fine. Um so I do think using you
[1:28:22] know those those I still can't think of
the word that I'm thinking of. But um
[1:28:28] you know just better materials for a wet
environment I guess is the best thing
[1:28:32] you know that the plan that Tim has. I
think we'll satisfy it. And I said to
[1:28:36] Christine, I said, "At some point down
the road,
[1:28:39] we should probably evaluate what it
looks like to put a drain in that floor.
[1:28:44] It It's not as simple as it sounds,
right? Like, you know, even certainly
[1:28:49] pulling up a bunch of concrete doesn't
sound simple at all, but you've got to
[1:28:52] then get the water separator in and then
you've got to get uh it out to where the
[1:28:57] sewer tie is, which is basically outside
of that first apparatus bay on our side.
[1:29:01] So, um, but if we do ever move forward
with top coating it, before that, we
[1:29:08] will at least get a price on it because
that's the time to do it obviously, um,
[1:29:12] is before you throw another $200,000 in
pavement on top of
[1:29:16] » when it comes to the Sally board in
particular, right? So, like the things
[1:29:19] that come to mind for me
>> when it comes to the PD, the
[1:29:22] justification when when I was voting for
that building was like looking at the PD
[1:29:28] going, they're taking prisoners in
through this area.
[1:29:31] » Mhm.
>> Down into a bank, you know, all kinds of
[1:29:34] trouble.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
[1:29:35] » Now we're in an area significantly
better for sure. But like if there's
[1:29:40] water everywhere, there's a chance to to
slip and fall. Like there's
[1:29:44] » Sure.
>> We shouldn't allow that. And and from a
[1:29:47] taxpayer perspective, we should expect
that, hey, we spent almost $5 million
[1:29:51] for a building, it should be
>> yeah,
[1:29:56] » well, you know, well situated.
>> Yeah. Like I some of that started with
[1:30:00] with the previous fella and you like Jim
and he had a lot of great ideas and a
[1:30:05] lot of good input to it. I just I I
think he was thinking more from a
[1:30:09] residential usage and that thing is not
a residential garage. It's it's they're
[1:30:14] in and out and the winter's the winter
and those vehicles they're running and
[1:30:19] the tires they're running, they come in
with three yards of snow attached to the
[1:30:24] underside of them and it just all goes,
you know.
[1:30:27] » So, I think at least short term the plan
to to correct some of it will be good
[1:30:33] and then, you know, long term we'll
we'll figure out if we have any options
[1:30:37] to fix it. But that's really the one
outstanding thing. You know, there's
[1:30:41] sometimes you walk through there and I
hate to say it, but at the end of the
[1:30:44] day, we only built a $5.3 million
building, not the 10. You know,
[1:30:51] Northampton did theirs at the same time
frame and they spent almost 10,000 on
[1:30:54] it. And sure, you walk through there and
go, "Yeah, some of the fit and finish is
[1:30:57] a little bit nicer,
but it's still a very functional
[1:31:01] building and and that's what we needed,
right? was a functional building with
[1:31:05] the good meeting room space with good
training space and and space to kind of
[1:31:10] maybe not expand but at least continue
to do our job and train in the apparatus
[1:31:14] bay like we can now. So
>> yeah,
[1:31:17] » um the only thing that came up today
during the tour was that the CO
[1:31:21] detection unit in the Sally port isn't
working right correctly either. So
[1:31:28] that wasn't one of the things that's
even on the list I got back from chief
[1:31:32] theme that came up during a tour. So
>> yeah, we just dealt with um yeah,
[1:31:39] » is there any company and it's got to be
calibrated again and
[1:31:43] » we'll probably do I'll talk to null
about that. Okay.
[1:31:47] » He had a plan and and went, you know,
they did like a train the trainer deal
[1:31:50] with him on how to calibrate those. So
it's probably just due for it. Yep.
[1:31:56] No, Captain Normandon kind of deals with
all the building stuff. So,
[1:31:59] » listen, if the from my perspective
anyways, if these guys saying they're
[1:32:03] fine and the thing we need to figure out
is the sally port effectively like you
[1:32:07] know cuz like again a non-functioning
toilet like was making my head want to
[1:32:11] explore because I'm like that is just
silly to me. Um
[1:32:16] then we just need to look at building
maintenance and go okay you know the
[1:32:21] only other thing I come back to is then
also okay how did we tell the
[1:32:25] contractors now we're way outside of it
but like from the contractor perspective
[1:32:29] that okay guys we
you helped us put this thing in if if
[1:32:34] it's pitching all over like it's
pitching based on what we found today
[1:32:39] it's pitching all over the place not
incorrectly say in one direction Because
[1:32:44] if it's incorrectly in one direction,
you go, "All right, well,
[1:32:47] it's just in the wrong direction." It
was a communication. It's pitching all
[1:32:51] over the place. And that's a I think
that's a different discussion.
[1:32:56] » But so it sounds like that's the only
real issue.
[1:32:59] » Yeah.
>> Yeah. And at least to to keep the
[1:33:02] building functional and and whatnot and
not damaging it and safe. That I think
[1:33:07] the short-term plan is good. potentially
long term it's a bigger thing and we'll
[1:33:12] we'll cross that bridge and
>> three and a half years.
[1:33:18] » Sean's gonna give um me a contact name
too. Um there's a that does um
[1:33:25] » flooring. Thank you. Epoxy flooring that
might be able they might be able to do
[1:33:29] some type of crown with the
>> help with the drainage
[1:33:35] » the pitch if they can build it up and
>> Yeah.
[1:33:38] » Yeah. that was the cheaper long-term you
got to do this now to figure it out and
[1:33:45] then do we look at that or you know do
we look at tearing the not the whole
[1:33:49] thing up but doing something with a with
a better drain cuz I still think long
[1:33:54] term that's best because that initial
plan of well let's have it drain out the
[1:33:58] front door really works at your house
when you're backing into your garage and
[1:34:02] going through the main door into the
house
[1:34:05] » the door still freezes shut though
>> it well the door freezes shut and now
[1:34:08] you've got
basically a swimming pool ice rink in
[1:34:11] February outside of the bay cuz if you
know two cars were in there and you know
[1:34:16] six yards of of snow and dirt cut off of
them. So
[1:34:20] » yeah.
No, it's good. We were glad to have you
[1:34:24] guys back again. It doesn't feel like
it's been that long, but um
[1:34:30] » Yeah.
>> Great.
[1:34:32] » Thanks for putting that together,
Christina.
[1:34:34] » All right. I I mean it. I mean it this
time. Thank you. Have a good night.
[1:34:38] Thank you.
[1:34:42] » I won't I won't let Christina keep you
here
[1:34:44] » any longer.
>> Yeah.
[1:34:46] » I won't see you tomorrow. Have a good
day. Have a good weekend.
[1:34:52] » Um All righty. Cleaning RFP.
>> Um so
[1:34:59] we didn't get uh we got three and what I
did was it's under number
[1:35:04] » How'd you put that together?
>> What? How'd you put that together?
[1:35:08] » How do you think?
[1:35:13] I was like, "Do this." And they're like,
"No, that's wrong. Do it. Fix this." And
[1:35:18] I end up talking back and forth with it.
>> Yeah.
[1:35:20] » So, but it came out. So, I really like
what I did, though.
[1:35:23] » Absolutely.
>> Um, so 11 A is where you see the
[1:35:26] breakdown of the three you and the the
ones under it. Um, B, C, and D are the
[1:35:31] quotes that we got in. Um,
we were I've got to be very careful. Um,
[1:35:40] we
were hoping to come back with um more
[1:35:47] options,
but we can't um if you look at the
[1:35:52] annual base price, I mean granted this
is going to change a little um too. Let
[1:35:57] me start over. So, water and sewer. Um,
I had put into this quote cleaning twice
[1:36:02] a week their bathrooms and and when we
realized they didn't they only wanted it
[1:36:07] done twice a month, I'm like, "Okay,
great. I that will adjust this price a
[1:36:11] little bit." Um, and but they wanted now
want to add the conference room, which
[1:36:16] makes sense because the guys are
cleaning it. So, um, so we will adjust.
[1:36:20] So, there are going to be some
adjustments, but this gives you a
[1:36:23] breakdown about annual costs. So number
one is obviously the least the annual
[1:36:31] cost for all of the buildings that we've
included. So the buildings that were
[1:36:35] included in this RFP is this building um
this building um twice a week they'll
[1:36:41] clean it. We were also looking at um how
much it would cost for carpet cleaning
[1:36:46] twice a year because we haven't been
doing that um and the floors are
[1:36:49] starting to look rough. Um we uh the
other building is the historic town
[1:36:55] hall. We added that in because um we are
cleaning it after or before events in
[1:37:01] order to prep for them. Um bathrooms and
mainly we usually hire a different
[1:37:06] company to do the flooring. We are
overdue if we are supposed to be doing
[1:37:11] that flooring every 3 years and we
haven't done it but it still looked
[1:37:14] good. So I was trying to style a little
bit. Um,
[1:37:19] so that included the cleaning for events
while the historic town hall is open.
[1:37:24] Um, it also included Kelly Park. Um, we
have them clean the bathroom. We have
[1:37:28] them do a full cleaning of the
concession building when we open it and
[1:37:31] we have them clean the bathrooms every
Thursday during concerts July and
[1:37:36] August. Um, just because we have quite a
few people go to concerts and we don't
[1:37:40] the bathrooms need to be clean. Um,
especially when you have camp using the
[1:37:44] bathrooms um during the summer. So, and
then um a full cleaning usually after
[1:37:50] old home day because it is quite a mess
usually after hold home day and then
[1:37:54] we'll close the building down. And then
um so water and sewer I told you about
[1:37:59] his highway is also um doing cleaning
right now and it's mainly their two
[1:38:04] bathrooms. The one thing I talked them
into doing was cleaning their break
[1:38:07] room. So that's been added. So um so the
costs are there. So number one um is the
[1:38:16] least. Um it is the the current.
Number two is the next highest and then
[1:38:23] number three is totally out of I'm not
wouldn't they don't even have anybody
[1:38:28] hired in the area. So they would hire
only if they got this contract. So um so
[1:38:33] I wouldn't recommend the third one at
all. So um
[1:38:37] » the qu
what's the what's the number of cleaning
[1:38:42] differences between the first and second
one cuz the first one is basically per
[1:38:48] like I see like you know you get the
chart of number two where you're saying
[1:38:53] okay it's 104 times.
>> So
[1:38:57] » so if you look
>> so it's like so it's twice a week at the
[1:39:00] town offices.
>> Oh yeah I did say it's twice a week.
[1:39:02] Yeah. Yeah, that's because it says 104,
but like but CB annual
[1:39:09] or Yeah. No. Or or virtuosity annual,
right? Like how many times are they
[1:39:13] coming? Are they coming in for the same
number of times?
[1:39:16] » Yes. They have to they were when they
were bidding, it's the exact same thing
[1:39:20] that I just told you was for the number
of cleanings. But Virtuosity, I can
[1:39:24] break it down, too. They gave a per
a per everybody gave a price per
[1:39:30] cleaning, but I figured if I showed you
the annual that was probably better.
[1:39:34] » Um, so they would have to do exactly the
same
[1:39:39] num cleanings as the number one. So
>> So
[1:39:45] I'll I'll read between the lines and and
say something appropriately hopefully.
[1:39:52] Um
[1:39:57] what is um let me think about how to say
this or ask this. Um
[1:40:07] there's there's a
[1:40:12] what would be accomplished or achieved
that isn't being achieved by going with
[1:40:17] the second
bid?
[1:40:23] » Um
I don't know for sure I will because I
[1:40:28] don't know how this second bid person is
going to be. I did check their I did
[1:40:33] Google them and check some of their
comments. They have a different another
[1:40:36] they've only been in business three
years. That's the only thing on the
[1:40:39] second one. Um but they had no bad
comments about them anywhere that I
[1:40:44] could see. Um I believe you're
[1:40:52] I believe that um by
taking a different a potentially a new
[1:40:58] company, you may see some different
changes,
[1:41:01] » right?
>> In versus and
[1:41:08] » you may see some different changes. Does
sorry does the um
[1:41:13] » I'm sorry. Do these bids represent a
different price than does that bid
[1:41:19] represent a different price?
>> It is. Yes. So number one is higher than
[1:41:23] what we're paying now. So there would be
an increase in the budget because we did
[1:41:26] add but some of that would be booked
from we did so right now we're paying
[1:41:34] » no that don't. So, it is higher, but
it's probably
[1:41:38] » $3 to $4,000 higher than what we're
paying now. But some of that will come
[1:41:42] out of the water and sewer budget
because
[1:41:43] » is there currently a contract or do we
just have Okay, so this would have a
[1:41:48] contract saying
>> this would be a contract.
[1:41:50] » This is what you need to meet
>> and what we try we and it doesn't mean
[1:41:56] Yes, this would be there would be a
contract that says this is what we need
[1:41:59] to meet. Um, and we have done, it
doesn't mean we have to do this, but
[1:42:04] we've offered the possibility of a
three-year contract. Um, because then we
[1:42:09] would hold the pricing for three years.
Um, except for slight market adjustments
[1:42:14] is what we put into it. So,
>> do we have a copy of what their typical
[1:42:20] contract is?
>> We're going to create the contract.
[1:42:23] » Good. Oh,
>> I would say that given
[1:42:28] given what we're trying to accomplish, I
we might spend a few dollars more, but
[1:42:35] I'd rather do a year and see how that
works.
[1:42:37] » See how it works. Yeah.
>> There's because there's not there's no
[1:42:41] real So, generally when you get to a
three-year contract, there's generally
[1:42:45] probably a 10 or 15%
sort of benefit. Yeah.
[1:42:49] » Now, there are certain things like um
cleaning supplies and certain things
[1:42:53] that are going up over time, right?
>> We're paying for we are paying for some
[1:42:57] of that stuff. Part of So, the reason
that I put it in for us to stock some of
[1:43:03] that stuff is because um we've had an
issue with um smelly bags and people
[1:43:08] can't I will be honest, I bag I couldn't
figure out why I kept smelling smoke.
[1:43:13] Yeah,
>> I have a sensitive nose apparently. But
[1:43:15] so other people in their offices, it was
the bags.
[1:43:19] » Yeah. I guess all I'm saying is
>> So we refused, we told
[1:43:22] » I agree with Sean a one-year contract.
Number one, to sort of test it out.
[1:43:26] Number two, to
>> unless there's a good financial
[1:43:30] incentive.
>> Yeah.
[1:43:32] » And this number is going to come down
some because I I have to do I do have to
[1:43:37] change the water and sewer because that
was in here incorrectly. It wasn't it.
[1:43:42] We put it in for twice a week. We're
going to adjust it to twice a month and
[1:43:45] be cleaning the so the conference room.
So that will change, but we might be
[1:43:50] able to fine-tune the numbers a little
bit better, too, because we estimated
[1:43:54] how many cleanings at the historic town
hall based on event usage. We may not
[1:43:59] need that many cleanings.
>> Yeah.
[1:44:01] » Um same thing with um Kelly Park. So
>> I think we should look at them for their
[1:44:10] background. Yeah,
>> your website doesn't give you that comp.
[1:44:13] » It doesn't give you much. It's three
years, but but he has three other
[1:44:17] businesses.
>> That was my other concern.
[1:44:21] » Virtuosity.
>> Yeah,
[1:44:22] » Virtuosity.
>> The owner of Virtuosity has um
[1:44:26] » three other businesses from what I
found. So, that was my own those are my
[1:44:32] concerns about that one. Um my concerns
about number one is I think we just need
[1:44:37] to set some if we chose that really
specific ground rules because
[1:44:41] » Yeah, absolutely. And I would I would
even build it in that there would be
[1:44:45] like a
threemon
[1:44:48] » probationary period.
>> Yeah. Basically an opt out clause
[1:44:54] » performance. And I wonder if that value
might change too because if that price
[1:44:58] is estimated on what's currently being
done, it's not acceptable.
[1:45:02] » Right.
>> So,
[1:45:04] » right,
>> that's potential. The espe during the
[1:45:07] week, it's not acceptable.
>> Yeah,
[1:45:08] » the weekend one is great, but
>> So,
[1:45:12] » so that price might also change
slightly. So, maybe my best bet is to
[1:45:17] talk with the parties and see how their
price would change. Not the number
[1:45:21] three. I don't think I would do
anything, but
[1:45:24] » um talk with one and two and give them
the adjustments and see what their price
[1:45:29] changes to and bring it back to you on
the 17th. Tell them it would be a
[1:45:32] one-year
contract and how would that affect their
[1:45:36] » right?
>> Yep. Does that sound good to you?
[1:45:41] » Yes.
>> Okay.
[1:45:51] All right. Uh, welfare guidelines.
>> I did send them out ahead.
[1:45:57] » Um,
[1:46:00] under number.
So, we did have them reviewed by the
[1:46:04] town's attorney and we've incorporated
the slight changes that he made, which
[1:46:08] were minor changes. Um, one of the
things that we didn't take out that he
[1:46:14] recommended to take out was there was a
definition of residence and there was a
[1:46:19] we were going to require proof of
residence. So,
[1:46:22] » he recommended to take that out because
they he that you there is a requirement
[1:46:28] on emergency services that you have to
provide. However, there is a new statute
[1:46:34] and I read through the statute with tea
um the other day and I feel that we
[1:46:40] based on the statute we can put that
leave that language in there um if about
[1:46:46] residency. So that's why we've left it
in again that was the only thing that we
[1:46:51] didn't take out that the attorney
recommended to take out. So,
[1:46:56] but everything else very um it was just
minor um correct of correction of an RSA
[1:47:02] um minor changes. So, I don't know how
if you had a chance to go through it um
[1:47:09] when I sent you but um we've cleaned up
the copy that's in there. There's two
[1:47:14] copies in there. There's a word copy
with some comments on it. Um
[1:47:20] » and then number
12B is the clean copy.
[1:47:29] » The application is pretty
straightforward.
[1:47:31] » Yeah,
>> she that was definitely a major
[1:47:35] improvement because it went from a he
like a 20 something page application. So
[1:47:40] » yeah,
>> so if you are comfortable with moving
[1:47:43] forward with this, it has been reviewed
by the attorney. It has been re it has
[1:47:48] been incorporated sorry has been it has
incorporated the changes from NHMA and
[1:47:54] the new law changes and the attorney has
reviewed it. So
[1:47:59] » I thought we could but I had a quick
question for it.
[1:48:01] » Yep.
>> Under um
[1:48:03] » that there
>> I thought it was interesting. So uh
[1:48:07] under section four roles of local
governing body it basically says it's
[1:48:11] the select board
>> repeat that I was facing section four
[1:48:16] » section four roles of local governing
body which is us.
[1:48:19] » Yep.
>> So it basically says unless the select
[1:48:22] board uh pro you know uh appoints
somebody.
[1:48:27] » So I'm assuming is that going to be t
like how how
[1:48:30] » she's hired as a welfare officer by you.
So yes she so um What was interesting
[1:48:36] was it also talks about how you know
that last paragraph there must be access
[1:48:41] to the program 5 days a week in an
emergency a person has to receive
[1:48:45] response within 72 hours. Yes.
>> So I just I'm just
[1:48:49] curious. We've got so process-wise we're
all good with meeting all of that
[1:48:53] requirements.
>> Yes. Yeah. Um we've uh we've made we've
[1:48:57] always been responsive to emergencies
within 72 hours, but we do have a
[1:49:01] welfare phone um cell phone that um we
also have. One thing we're working on
[1:49:07] changing with the current phone company
is that the calls right now the calls
[1:49:11] will not go straight through um to to
Tila during the week because we say by
[1:49:17] appointment only. But she feels that she
should be able to answer those calls
[1:49:21] Monday through Friday during the day. So
we're changing that and she will be
[1:49:24] answering the calls Monday through
Friday during the day. So
[1:49:27] » Okay,
>> cool.
[1:49:29] » So yes, we are we are meeting them.
>> All right, cool. That's it. Just the way
[1:49:33] it called up the RSA for the select
board. I was like, okay, how are we
[1:49:36] making sure that we're
>> doing that? Right.
[1:49:39] » All right.
>> So good. I need a motion and you need to
[1:49:43] sign. So
>> Okay. Uh what to just approve it?
[1:49:47] guidelines and the application.
>> Yeah.
[1:49:49] » Okay. I'll make a motion that we approve
the guidelines and the application for
[1:49:54] the welfare process for the town of
personal
[1:49:56] » effective
>> effective
[1:49:59] » today.
>> Okay. Uh what's
[1:50:02] » September 3rd se effective September 3rd
2026.
[1:50:06] » All right. Second.
>> Second. Okay. Thank you. Uh any further
[1:50:10] questions or comments?
Hearing none. All those in favor please
[1:50:15] say I.
>> I. I those opposed abstensions that's 4.
[1:50:22] » Um
>> TA report
[1:50:25] » number 13 is the info only report which
has just three things on there. Um
[1:50:32] I'll let you take a look at those and
see if you have any questions.
[1:50:54] All right. Under the discussion items,
um,
[1:50:59] number one is employee appreciation. And
we do that. Oh, it's funny. She told me
[1:51:04] Sean's here on the document.
>> We opened it. Why is it telling me Sean
[1:51:11] is here?
Um, so under we do every the first of
[1:51:16] every month we do employee recognition
for celebrating anniversaries. So
[1:51:21] congratulations on another year with the
town of Bristol. Um, we are grateful for
[1:51:26] your continued dedication, positive
attitude, and the quality of work you
[1:51:29] bring. Executive Department, we have
Ruby Hill, one year. Um, I'm going to
[1:51:35] skip to the next one. Fire department,
Ingred Heiden Reich, seven years. Um
[1:51:40] Nicholas Marsh six years
and um police department Harold Bulmer
[1:51:47] has been with the crossing guards for 24
years. So yeah
[1:51:52] um TA number two there are pictures of
I just it's really funny. Sorry, I just
[1:51:59] got notified. Everybody's here.
Uh, number two, the Kelly Park sidewalk.
[1:52:05] Um, second phase of the Kelly Park
sidewalk has been cut in and brought to
[1:52:09] subgrade for asphalt. Um, the p there
are three pictures in there showing
[1:52:14] that. Victor is contacting GMI this week
to confirm the paving when the paving
[1:52:19] will be scheduled. Um, we did find out
um yesterday GMI was here marking down
[1:52:25] for Brook Road.
>> Saw that. Yeah.
[1:52:27] » So, we anticipate um the start date for
both of them to be within I we think
[1:52:31] next week, but I'm saying two to be
safe.
[1:52:34] » Okay.
>> Um but
[1:52:36] » number three, um there is a volunteer
appreciation agenda in your folders.
[1:52:42] I've sent you your invites. I've invited
um I've sent all the committees their
[1:52:47] invites. Um arrangements have been made
for this year's recipient to attend and
[1:52:53] with some family members. Um, and then,
um, I just need to confirm numbers from
[1:52:59] the board. And who's the chef going to
be?
[1:53:02] » I I'll be there, right? What day is it?
>> Um, I se Friday, September. And Dawn
[1:53:08] can't be there. I already know that. But
Friday, September 18th. We have it. Um,
[1:53:13] I did say
>> no. So, 6:00 to 8, but I said select
[1:53:17] board members who are available to cook
should plan on starting to cook at
[1:53:21] around 5 or 5:30.
>> Right. Yeah.
[1:53:23] » So,
>> back by popular demand, Scott and I will
[1:53:26] be.
>> Okay. So, music has been scheduled.
[1:53:29] They'll play from 5:30 to 8 because we
have people arriving at between 5:30 and
[1:53:33] 6. Um, we are doing kind of mirroring
mirror. We're kind of copying
[1:53:42] the um
the mandatory training barbecue. We
[1:53:46] decided to we use the similar theme.
>> Okay. Um, and we are going to play some
[1:53:52] games with this group.
>> All righty.
[1:53:55] » So,
>> that'll be fun.
[1:53:57] » Yeah. So, um, we're going to do the
table challenge, the shout out wall. Um,
[1:54:01] the, uh, we're putting out some guessing
games for them. Um, I thought we'd do a
[1:54:07] little bit something different in the
building. And, um, I can't tell you
[1:54:12] about the bingo game during public
because I can't ruin it, but I will let
[1:54:16] you know that we're doing that. We'll do
the recognition. And I still need raffle
[1:54:20] prizes. I've gotten some more, but I
only have like five or six. And I
[1:54:25] » I've got a couple.
>> I reached out to some vendor. I reached
[1:54:30] out specifically to Stay Rooted. I
reached out to the fire department and
[1:54:35] police department asking for them to
donate because they have t-shirts and
[1:54:39] sweatshirts or coins. So, I asked them
to donate. Um I can't remember who else.
[1:54:43] I've reached out to four or five other
people I've emailed and asked if they
[1:54:48] would donate. So, um, we may have a
potential to, which I I'll know by the
[1:54:56] 17th and I'll let you know, but we may
have some funding to h to pay for some
[1:55:01] of the food. So, if that hopefully that
will go through. If it does, I'll let
[1:55:06] you know that. Um, but that's pretty
much it. And we don't have to clean up
[1:55:11] that night. We just have to put the food
in in the fridge and we can clean it up
[1:55:15] on Monday. So,
>> all right.
[1:55:18] » Other than that, are you all I think
Scott responded he was coming, but are
[1:55:23] you coming?
>> Uh, I got to see. Okay.
[1:55:26] » I'm traveling again. I think I'm
traveling that day. We'll find out.
[1:55:30] » Okay.
>> That's the day after court.
[1:55:33] » Yeah, it's the day after court.
>> Yeah, it's also the end of our quarter.
[1:55:37] So, I got end of the month. So,
>> um
[1:55:40] » maybe in Boston
>> transfer station stickers is next. So,
[1:55:44] not saying that this is pretty or not,
but um in the folder there are some
[1:55:50] samples from other towns that I found.
Um it's hard, nobody puts their stickers
[1:55:55] publicly apparently, but very few do.
So, and they are not nicel lookinging
[1:55:59] stickers, but you can look in the first
folder which says samples found under
[1:56:05] » um
>> under TA4. It's the ACT folder transfer
[1:56:09] station stickers.
>> Yeah,
[1:56:13] » there's about So, those are the only
ones I could find. Those are types of
[1:56:16] samples um that I found. So, you're
welcome to look at those. And um I also
[1:56:23] can um found two things that I think
were good ideas. Um so, if you look
[1:56:28] under that folder, that folder is sample
flyers and signs. So, I'm going to I can
[1:56:34] post it up on the screen. Um,
[1:56:41] I think we should put this at the So, I
absent of having a sticker that scans
[1:56:45] and says that you need to do that you
need to have can't go through a gate.
[1:56:50] Um, I saw this and I thought we should
put this up before they go through
[1:56:56] » the entrance. Not the same wording, but
similar. So, you would say transfer
[1:57:01] station permits are required.
>> Does that say thank you? You're a smug
[1:57:05] selector.
>> Yes.
[1:57:06] » Is that what it says?
>> I can't see here. She's a pro.
[1:57:16] » Oh, John. H Oh, thank you for your
cooperation.
[1:57:20] » Put my picture there, too.
>> We should just just profile. Just a
[1:57:26] sketch profile. Yeah. But the my
thoughts are the colors that are valid
[1:57:31] would instead of this it would there
would be whatever colors are valid that
[1:57:35] if you don't have one of those stickers
on your car don't come through or you're
[1:57:39] not going to be allowed to
>> you know potentially. But
[1:57:42] » yeah,
>> so that's I I wanted to show you that.
[1:57:45] But I also thought what's the other
thing? Wrong mouse. Sorry. I also saw
[1:57:51] this which I thought was interesting. I
haven't talked to Chuck yet. Um, but is
[1:57:56] it going to show?
No. Stop. Share.
[1:58:04] I saw this in another town. Um, that
shows where the sticker should be
[1:58:10] placed.
So, and I think the side sticker going
[1:58:14] into the transfer station is probably a
better place to put it than on the front
[1:58:18] windshield. But I don't know what truck
or or the people at the transfer station
[1:58:22] think. But
>> I don't want a sticker on my window.
[1:58:26] » You be quiet.
>> If it's a window that goes up and down,
[1:58:30] » you may have a problem.
>> Oh, it might pull off. So, we are
[1:58:33] telling them they have to fix it to
their front windshield, though.
[1:58:36] » Yeah.
>> So,
[1:58:38] » I don't mind where it's at. I think What
has Chuck complained about where it's
[1:58:41] at?
>> People are
[1:58:47] people that
going out the whole window.
[1:58:52] We don't have a better place to suggest
though
[1:58:56] stickers.
>> But I thought if so if we stick to the
[1:58:59] front then we should do a picture like
this too showing placement on the front.
[1:59:03] » I think it might be reasonable to let
them put it up like a top corner also.
[1:59:08] » So we could give them alternatives. If
we're going to stick to the front, we
[1:59:12] show them placement
>> like the right side, bottom corner or
[1:59:15] top corner. The passenger side top or
bottom corner.
[1:59:18] » Okay.
>> Yep. Some have a fixed window like the
[1:59:21] little triangle fillet window something
like that with LDS.
[1:59:26] » So I'm also here cuz we have to get
ready to order them to ask you to look
[1:59:31] at
>> Did any of them say they produce them
[1:59:34] themselves or are they purchasing them
all
[1:59:38] » cuz we talked about printing them right
to print them?
[1:59:40] » Yeah. Anything on that?
>> Um
[1:59:42] » a lot of they have
>> Was that the 13th video that I can't
[1:59:47] listen to?
Yeah,
[1:59:49] » sorry.
>> It looks like a lot of your samples have
[1:59:52] like license plate number space.
>> Well, so
[1:59:54] » and how are they putting that there? I
can't believe they're all peeling it off
[1:59:57] and writing on it and then giving it to
you.
[2:00:00] » I was going to say that's what we're
doing with ours. But um so I did
[2:00:06] Where's my share button?
[2:00:16] So, I didn't make it perfect, obviously,
but um I added the town of Bristol
[2:00:24] emblem and this would be a hein. The 12
would be handwritten and the license
[2:00:29] plate would be handwritten,
but I wanted to reach back out because I
[2:00:32] know you thought it should be more
should be different, should be more
[2:00:36] professional, but I and then this would
be the Bristol one. So you can clearly
[2:00:40] see the his Heburn and Bristol as they
come in, which could if you're tallying
[2:00:43] them, you could tally them. Um, and you
can clearly see the 12th month it
[2:00:49] expires.
>> And Hebrew doesn't have a month that
[2:00:51] expires, right? It's all 12.
>> Yeah. So they'd all be 12. We actually
[2:00:56] might be able to print all theirs age 12
then.
[2:00:58] » Yeah.
>> So, and but ours we would have to handw
[2:01:01] write the month in.
>> And the year
[2:01:06] you want the year to be it would be
colored. It would be colored.
[2:01:09] » Okay. The whole thing would be colored.
>> Mhm. I just couldn't
[2:01:12] » I'm not a I just did it in Word real
quick to to show you what it would look
[2:01:17] like.
>> Chad would be do color.
[2:01:20] » I could have done that.
>> Imagine if I wonder about the crystal
[2:01:25] colors there. And then if the whole
thing is like orange or green or pink or
[2:01:29] whatever color.
>> I put the color seal in, but the thing
[2:01:32] could be I could just that we also have
black and white.
[2:01:34] » Yeah, that might be better. Yeah, I can
show you what the black and white looks
[2:01:38] like.
>> If you're going to keep the color seal
[2:01:40] and color this sticker, you're probably
going to have to block out like a square
[2:01:44] on the seal so it doesn't blend in with
the color.
[2:01:46] » Yeah, something like that.
>> I can show
[2:01:48] » or maybe just a color stripe across the
bottom.
[2:01:51] » I don't know
>> what. So, I know it was Scott Sever that
[2:01:56] was concerned about the other drawing
that we had done. Is there something
[2:02:00] else you were thinking or just
>> No, I think this was a I like this
[2:02:06] direction.
>> Where? Sorry, I got lost. Where is it?
[2:02:11] Desktop. I was going to show you the
other the We have different So, here's
[2:02:16] another thing. We have word mock
markups, too, or mockups or whatever
[2:02:21] they call them that are part of our
guidelines for design. Um, let's see. I
[2:02:25] can show you all of them
[2:02:32] here.
[2:02:36] I have to stop sharing. It's blocking my
screen. Hang on a second.
[2:02:58] They're going somewhere.
[2:03:03] All right, we have
[2:03:08] see if it'll open.
[2:03:13] I may just leave it on the side because
when I open them, it makes me stop
[2:03:17] share. But so there's these are called
cabin and mill icons. They're part of
[2:03:21] our the design for the town, too. Um
they have the black and white. They have
[2:03:26] the Well, that one's white on white, but
um they have the green seal.
[2:03:34] We have the black seal.
[2:03:38] » I think the seal might be not look good
in that small image. I think we lose all
[2:03:44] the detail in the wires and things.
>> Well, so what's really funny, um he this
[2:03:50] is the prison catalog.
So, we looked at their decal, their what
[2:03:57] they offer.
>> So, Bristol's one of the ones they
[2:04:00] advertise in their their flyers, our
seal. So, so they can do it. We do it on
[2:04:05] the letter head, too. The envelopes,
too. Yep.
[2:04:09] » I just lost
>> How large are those?
[2:04:11] » Um,
this is popular custom sizes. 2 and 12
[2:04:15] in, three in, four, six, eight. So, they
can do all of them. I just lost
[2:04:20] something though. It must have fell out.
Yeah, the other one is not pulling up.
[2:04:27] Hang on a second. It's cuz I have my
blackground. My background is black.
[2:04:37] » Um, here I can show you this one.
[2:04:42] I think I'm going to vote against the
seal because I think it at the size it's
[2:04:47] not going to look good. But I think one
of the icon iconic kind of images Yeah.
[2:04:53] » So that this is the black seal. Sorry,
it took me it wouldn't show.
[2:04:58] » Will be great.
>> Is it all?
[2:05:03] » Okay. So you do you think the markup
words would be better?
[2:05:07] » I think no seal. I think one of the
other images like the what the
[2:05:15] » because it does say Bristol down below.
>> Yeah.
[2:05:18] » So maybe just the Oh, here's word
markup. I didn't show you those yet.
[2:05:21] Hang on a second.
>> I just put it in co-pilot.
[2:05:25] » Go away.
>> Did it design something different?
[2:05:29] » Well, of course it did. Same concept.
Same concept.
[2:05:32] » So, this one, this one I like actually.
So, this might be what you're thinking.
[2:05:42] Come on.
So there. Yeah, you don't even need
[2:05:46] » So you could take the Bristol out of the
below and just say 2027 transfer station
[2:05:52] permit and put that Bristol markup.
>> Yeah,
[2:05:55] » if you're good with that.
>> I think so.
[2:05:57] » Okay.
>> I think that's it. It just Yeah,
[2:06:02] it uses our brand
>> and some of our vehicles have this on
[2:06:06] them
>> on the side of them.
[2:06:07] » On the side of them instead of the seal.
Yeah.
[2:06:10] » So Okay. Are you good with So if we
design I'll design I will put that in
[2:06:16] and show you what it looks like and then
um they'll send us a proof when and once
[2:06:22] I get the proof I'll just make sure that
you see what it looks like
[2:06:25] » and then ask them about a printer.
>> Oh yeah, I got to ask Tom about a
[2:06:30] printer. Let me write that down.
[2:06:35] Yeah, there's got to be a print,
[2:06:39] » you know.
>> Worst case, do a label maker. At least
[2:06:44] that would be printed on there. Stick
the label on it. It would be legible
[2:06:49] font like consistent
white on white or clear. You get the
[2:06:56] clear black lettering with clear
background. So, it just goes right over
[2:07:00] that white sticker.
>> So,
[2:07:05] breathe. There's a fly in here.
Um, all right. I'll ask Belly. Maybe
[2:07:11] what I'll do is bring try to get that
information at your next meeting. We do
[2:07:14] have to try and order these
right right by your next meeting if we
[2:07:19] are going to order them from the prison
or not, but um and go from here.
[2:07:26] » Okay.
>> Yeah. It might be too late to do the
[2:07:27] permit thing for this year,
>> but if we get the numbers, we'll we can
[2:07:31] put it in the budget.
>> Yeah.
[2:07:33] » Yeah.
um
[2:07:43] inside scoop.
Um she's doing some really re really
[2:07:49] she's doing some really good work with
it. I'm going to pull it up on the
[2:07:52] screen. Um we
there's some really interesting things
[2:07:57] in here. Um, we're doing some other
extra things with it as well, but um,
[2:08:04] computer,
we'll pull it up eventually.
[2:08:12] » So, I like the she's done a really nice
job with the inside scoop, the colors on
[2:08:17] it, the the September theme. These are
the our messages this month were much
[2:08:22] larger than they have been, so they're
in there. I'll email these out to you
[2:08:27] too. But um highway department, the
library, they've submitted stuff in
[2:08:33] here. We pictures have been in um town
clerk, tax collector. One thing I will
[2:08:39] announce publicly too is next week um
for mainly for it's for employees. Um
[2:08:46] which is a nice touch from the cemetery
trustees, but the select board could go
[2:08:49] if they're available. September 10th um
at 10 a.m. at Worthing Cemetery, the
[2:08:54] cemetery trustees are doing a walk and
talk event for town employees. Um they
[2:09:01] will it's about an hour long
introduction of the trustees, explain
[2:09:04] the responsibilities of the trustees and
um take a tour of the cemetery and show
[2:09:09] how they clean the stones. So it's a
nice touch from the trustees. Um beaches
[2:09:15] issued their thank you. We will be doing
the beach closeout on September 17th. I
[2:09:21] have um Chief Bean, uh Cheryl Harper,
and Deb Tivy coming to discuss with the
[2:09:27] board. Um they're concerned about
another board member's conversation at
[2:09:32] Corly Postcheck about day passes. Um so
we'll have all those conversations
[2:09:36] together. Um transfer station did hold
their household hazardous waste tonight.
[2:09:42] Um it was 2 to 6 tonight. Um, so well we
he comes in in October, so we'll hold
[2:09:48] and have give a report on how that went
in October.
[2:09:52] » Sean and I did attend.
>> Yeah,
[2:09:54] » it was
>> busy. It usually is.
[2:09:57] » You said when you first opened the line
was all the way out to 104.
[2:09:59] » Yeah.
>> Yeah.
[2:10:01] » Listen, that's good, right? Because it's
just it keeps you from keeping it at
[2:10:04] home and getting it done places it
shouldn't be.
[2:10:07] » Um, the fire department, it does
introduce the um I'll show you the
[2:10:11] picture. Um, these are our three
interns. There's a little information
[2:10:15] about them. Um, Cole Emanuel, Kaden
Doherty, and Cole Mobley. Um, the
[2:10:21] interesting thing is they are all from
fire families. So, they're um, one is
[2:10:26] the his father is the chief of the
Durham Fire Department. Another one um,
[2:10:31] his father is a firefighter paramedic at
Windham Fire Department and another one
[2:10:36] is his father is serving as a Nasha
firefighter. So, it's kind of
[2:10:41] » that's kind of cool that they're coming
from communities pretty far away.
[2:10:44] » Yep. So, um we are going to be there's a
wellness article in here. So, see if you
[2:10:51] guys are getting some meat in your days.
Non exercise activity thermogenesis
[2:11:00] it's called. So,
um water and sewer put um have put some
[2:11:05] information in. It was neat to see the
boulder, but I also thought, let me skip
[2:11:10] down. This was actually neat. So, in
theirs, they said, um, where is it? Fun
[2:11:19] fact, look at the rates that used to be
under the Bristol Aqueduct Company in
[2:11:24] 1894.
>> Wow.
[2:11:26] » So, this is what Jeff put in. They were
kind of cool to see. So, um, we tried to
[2:11:31] make the page bigger, but so you could
see the rates, but it's kind of hard.
[2:11:37] Um like $6 $5 for a water closet. They
called them water closet.
[2:11:44] » So
>> um private stables you $5.
[2:11:51] » That was a lot of money.
>> Yeah. Apothecary was $10. So it's kind
[2:11:56] of neat to see that. Some of this I'm
going to try to share out now, too. Um,
[2:11:59] we're going to change the town
administrator's corner to the inside
[2:12:02] scoop, but we there's certain things we
won't share out, but we'll put that on
[2:12:07] the website.
>> That's right.
[2:12:09] » And then these are the next month's
challenge. Can you figure out which baby
[2:12:14] I am? But you can't say it. Oh,
actually, you can say it because it's
[2:12:19] not really competition. So, there were
only six that got submitted. So, can you
[2:12:23] figure out which baby I am?
[2:12:28] No. Number two. Two.
>> I'm going to say three.
[2:12:34] » Any other guesses?
>> Nope. I'm number five.
[2:12:40] » I'm number five.
>> Wow, you're old.
[2:12:42] » Hey,
they No, my mother's pictures are
[2:12:47] fading.
My They used to style my hair like my
[2:12:51] dad.
>> Yeah.
[2:12:53] » With the cowlick. All those awful
dresses, too.
[2:12:57] » Oh, I know.
>> Yeah.
[2:12:59] » Um, but do you remember the last time
the throwback challenge? So, now they
[2:13:03] tell you who's who. So, Vic, so Richard
Press, row two, the fourth picture is
[2:13:10] Richard Pitress.
Um, Victor is row four, the second
[2:13:15] picture.
>> I thought Jeff was up in the top row.
[2:13:18] » Nope. Jeff is row six, third picture.
Let me see if I can make it bigger.
[2:13:23] Oops. Sorry.
>> I don't think you can see it any better.
[2:13:28] But so Jeff is row six. One, two, three,
four, five, six. One, two, three,
[2:13:37] » three. So that's Jeff. And now if you
look it up close, it is Jeff. You can
[2:13:43] see it now. You know, but so we thought
that was cute. And then the last piece
[2:13:48] to remind you um so we did do some um
added some executive um based it off of
[2:13:54] the theme. So Ruby's our chief corn
counter. Um Tila is the keeper of the
[2:14:00] pumpkin patch. Um uh Deb is the hay bale
coordinator extraordinaire
[2:14:07] and I am an honorary scarecrow and head
scarecrow
[2:14:12] and chief crow chaser.
So, but um and then just a reminder if
[2:14:19] you are participating in the flu clinic
um check with us. If you haven't
[2:14:23] registered, register because if you
we're if we don't get 20,
[2:14:29] » we they're going to cancel on us. So,
we're only
[2:14:31] » register for that.
>> There's I can there's a code here.
[2:14:34] » There's a QR code. It's it's on actually
it's
[2:14:37] » scroll down here. Right there.
>> Right there.
[2:14:39] » All right.
>> So, September 9th, 10 to 1 at the public
[2:14:42] safety building. um if you can where
that's where they'll be. You can get um
[2:14:48] flu shot, you can get pneumonia or and
you can get um COVID if that if you want
[2:14:53] to. Those are the three you can get.
>> Note though, if you've not gotten
[2:14:56] pneumonia before, no pneumonia requires
two shots. Yeah, you have to get the
[2:15:00] second one six months later on your own.
So,
[2:15:04] » it was in that email also, but it's a
link down at the bottom.
[2:15:10] I can send the scoop up to you guys,
too, so you can look at it better. All
[2:15:14] right, let me go on.
[2:15:19] Um, fireworks committee is having a
closeout meeting on September 9th at
[2:15:23] 8:30 here. Um, I've got the small group
coming in to close out the event. So, on
[2:15:29] September 17th, I'll bring in um info
about financials
[2:15:34] um and anything that came out of that
closeout meeting. Um, Pemath update. So,
[2:15:40] we received from Army Corps. They're
beginning to do the final edit of the
[2:15:44] draft partnership agreement this month.
They were been apologize that they've
[2:15:49] been very busy with the um summer
duties. So, the archaeologist is working
[2:15:54] on the on the NEPA report and has
informed us um that they are currently
[2:16:00] in the comment period. uh they've
>> I got a comment for
[2:16:04] » the com
the comment period goes through
[2:16:09] September 21st. Once that's done, they
will be ready to finalize the NEPA cate
[2:16:14] categorical exclusion. And they've also
told us um they've received concurrence
[2:16:19] with Shipo already and do not anticipate
any any more issues, but we'll keep us
[2:16:26] posted. So,
one's
[2:16:30] » great. And then elections.
[2:16:35] I need to make sure that I have three of
you there. Next Tuesday.
[2:16:40] » Next Tuesday.
>> Yeah,
[2:16:41] » next Tuesday. I said
>> the eth.
[2:16:44] » The eth.
>> Yep.
[2:16:46] » No, you can stagger it as long as
there's three there.
[2:16:50] » Um, but you will have to be there at the
the prefer everybody should be there at
[2:16:55] the end of the day for the counting and
signing off. So,
[2:16:59] » I wish I had known that sooner.
>> Yeah,
[2:17:02] » I can do after.
>> I'm so sorry. I told I mentioned it at
[2:17:06] the last meeting.
>> I'll be that.
[2:17:07] » But Don can't be there till until 10:00.
So, he will be there from 10:00 on. I
[2:17:14] think this is going to be
>> Oh, you know, I could probably go What
[2:17:17] time is the polls open?
>> 8. They're 8.
[2:17:19] » So, I can probably do I can probably do
8 to 9:45 run from my 10 o'clock or I'll
[2:17:24] do my 10 o'clock in the parking lot
>> or do it from here. Oh yeah. Is it here?
[2:17:29] No,
>> the voting is here because we couldn't
[2:17:32] get the high school. So voting is here
in the historic town hall for September.
[2:17:36] » Um this parking lot is no parking for
us.
[2:17:39] » Yeah. So I'll work upstairs.
>> So you can come work upstairs
[2:17:44] and I'll go back and forth with you.
Okay.
[2:17:46] » I'll book the room for you.
>> All right.
[2:17:50] » Okay. Cuz I have a 10 to 12.
>> All right.
[2:17:55] » And then two. So, even if you can't be
there the whole day, just if you So, we
[2:18:00] um Cheryl is gonna um take care of the
coffee and breakfast. Um we're ordering
[2:18:06] sandwich platter.
>> Oh, well then I'll be there then
[2:18:08] » for lunch. Um we just we're So, Deb's
going to order it tomorrow and we'll
[2:18:12] pick it up Tuesday and then we're
ordering
[2:18:16] » it's probably going to be a Hannerford
sandwich platter.
[2:18:20] » So,
>> and then we'll be ordering pizza.
[2:18:25] vouchers for the vouchers for the shot.
>> No, you don't. You won't need it because
[2:18:31] the town is
>> No, you need your insurance card.
[2:18:35] » Okay.
>> You guys would need your insurance card
[2:18:37] usually, but
[2:18:41] » the town it's covered under our stuff.
So, but I Well, that's a question in the
[2:18:47] future. Do we want to
[2:18:52] do we should find out how much they are
and if that's something we want
[2:18:57] » covering.
>> Um so I just need um any preference on
[2:19:02] where we order the pizza from. Um we are
not none of our staff will be parked
[2:19:06] here. Do you feel there's a need for a
driver to drive people anywhere? Okay. I
[2:19:13] just want to make sure. Um, the only
thing that will be parked here will be
[2:19:17] the town car. We're going to leave that
there, but we will all be parked either
[2:19:21] at the church or other places in town.
Um, I've already sent that info out to
[2:19:26] the department and to our building. Um,
and then
[2:19:32] I don't know what else. I think that
covers it because we don't need to do
[2:19:35] anything else. Just
[2:19:39] » this will be the this will be the first
election in
[2:19:44] 20 or 30
>> without years
[2:19:48] » with a new
>> Yep. Rob
[2:19:51] » Rob was here today testing the ballot.
>> So Rob was testing the ballot machine
[2:19:57] today because that's one of the
requirements saying hazing event.
[2:20:02] » Yeah.
>> Yeah.
[2:20:06] So yeah, um they've already set up the
highway's already set up um the building
[2:20:10] because especially with the long
weekend, so they've set it up already.
[2:20:14] » Um I've actually given some of the
drinks from the be if I have to I'll
[2:20:22] I've given them all the chips and so
you'll have all the chips and I've given
[2:20:25] them some of the drinks from the
donations for that event. Whatever's
[2:20:29] left, they'll leave for the volunteer
appreciation.
[2:20:31] » Fire department has some left. Ah,
I have I actually have plenty left. I
[2:20:37] was surprised. So, all right. Um, on my
other list real quick.
[2:20:44] » Oh, going back to transfer station
stickers.
[2:20:48] Um, John, I'm throwing you under the bus
a lot. So, sorry. But John had
[2:20:53] previously talked about not charging for
stickers. I needed I need and I think
[2:20:58] that we need to have that quick
discussion tonight um to decide if we're
[2:21:03] leaving everything status quo or not
because um
[2:21:08] » otherwise we got to change policy,
right?
[2:21:10] » We've got to change policy.
>> So listen, I'm not saying right now all
[2:21:14] my only point was is why poke people in
the eye twice mainly because it's like
[2:21:19] we're doing that. I'm totally fine we
leave it be for for now and we kind of
[2:21:24] look at that next year. Good. Like that.
>> I mean, how much do we spend on
[2:21:29] stickers?
>> Um, Hein pays for their own. Um, and
[2:21:34] they actually, what Cheryl told me today
is they have order 800 stickers. Hein,
[2:21:39] » what we pay for stickers?
>> Um, I have to look, but last bill I
[2:21:44] thought it was $1,200.
>> Well, we collect basically like my point
[2:21:47] was we collect basically like $12,000 or
$15,000,
[2:21:52] but it's a $400,000 budget line item. We
don't, it's not like we we do cost
[2:21:57] recovery and stickers. That's that was
my point. Like I feel like because the
[2:22:02] entire bill is then distributed against
all of Bristol,
[2:22:06] everybody should get a sticker. You want
a second sticker, then I'm totally fine.
[2:22:10] Like have
[2:22:14] » So he runs a different story, right?
Like like that's that's different
[2:22:18] because that allows us to to
>> No, I I I get where you're going. That's
[2:22:21] all that other than that because we do
charge for solid waste to get rid of
[2:22:25] that.
>> But you'd be eliminating that from
[2:22:29] income.
>> Yeah.
[2:22:31] » Correct.
>> But
[2:22:33] » it would be another thing you'd take out
of revenue
[2:22:36] » because if we did cost recovery for
stickers, it would be like $160 a
[2:22:40] sticker. That's what you'd pay,
>> right? So, so for that matter, let's
[2:22:46] just, you know, you just start doing the
math. So, anyway, it's all good. I'm
[2:22:49] selecting the mill ones to charge 160,
>> right? Let's
[2:22:54] » let's make it 175.
>> Let's keep thinking about it for next
[2:22:57] year and because it might be a really
fun message people a good message. Any
[2:23:02] there's no cost to get your sticker.
It's easy. It's quick.
[2:23:07] » You're still paying for it.
>> Yeah, you're going to make up that in
[2:23:13] the tax, right? Yeah. So, so anyway, so
the bottom line is I'm totally good, but
[2:23:16] it's I'm just trying to like it's like
everything else the budget discussion,
[2:23:20] right? Like it's it's what's the
process? How do we decide? What's the
[2:23:24] budget?
>> That's all.
[2:23:27] » I think we didn't tell Cheryl that the
account numbers changed. So, I think
[2:23:30] we've been booking them wrong all this
time. I'll fix that.
[2:23:38] Maybe we do it at the same time we'll
put up a new song or we have a new
[2:23:43] what a reinvention of the
>> We don't we don't need to complicate to
[2:23:47] complicate matters.
>> Okay, I'm going to put that on hold
[2:23:50] then. Um
I'm going to put it I just got an email
[2:23:55] from Lakes Region Planning Commission
asking they're going to host a
[2:23:59] Brownsfield meeting on October 6. So
Brownsfield grant they have money. Do we
[2:24:04] have any So my question would be do we
have any properties that we
[2:24:09] I know that when we did the mil when we
did the Eagle Scout Park that was a
[2:24:14] Brownsfield issue at the time.
>> Steve, did you have something that you
[2:24:18] wanted?
>> Sorry.
[2:24:20] » Oh no. Yeah. Go.
>> I can stop and you can
[2:24:24] » Yeah. Yeah. Actually well Well, thank
you. I appreciate that. Um, uh, I was
[2:24:30] going to ask the going way back to the
beginning of the meeting about the, uh,
[2:24:35] Steve Moore. Thank you.
>> I was going to go back to the beginning
[2:24:41] meeting about the the choice of the
asbestous remediation. I was trying to
[2:24:46] follow that discussion.
>> Did, but did you go with the $7,500 bid?
[2:24:50] Was that what I heard?
>> 6500.
[2:24:53] » 6,500. Have you done due diligence on
the people who are doing that when
[2:24:57] you're getting rid of them?
>> Yeah, they they're a local they're a
[2:25:00] local contractor. They're out of
Bristol. They do a ton of demolition
[2:25:03] work
>> and asbestous.
[2:25:05] » Yes. That's not stuff you just want
done.
[2:25:08] » No, that's that's part of their their
>> That's great. That's
[2:25:11] » the name of the It's always wrecking.
So, they do do this as
[2:25:16] » Okay. As long as you Yeah, because low
bids and that sort of thing could be a
[2:25:20] huge mistake. Yeah.
>> Um, second is the concern people may
[2:25:23] have about the thumb stickers. They're
too large. You might want to consider
[2:25:27] going with something smaller that might
get less push back. I don't know.
[2:25:30] » That's fair.
>> Thanks.
[2:25:32] » That is a good comment. The reason we
went with the larger was at the request
[2:25:36] of the employees because it was really
>> it was really hard to read the
[2:25:41] expiration or and if they and they have
to get right up on the
[2:25:47] » We might be able to go smaller though if
font.
[2:25:50] » Yeah.
>> Right. And if
[2:25:53] » if it's going to be a you can't get in
without the sticker because there's some
[2:25:57] sort of
>> gate situation. It doesn't matter
[2:26:01] anymore being able to see it.
>> So, this is the size now.
[2:26:05] » I was going to say maybe we have some
better eyes there, but we probably
[2:26:08] don't.
>> You might just want to think about that.
[2:26:10] I mean, you guys are working.
>> I think this size is probably We
[2:26:13] probably can't go much smaller than
this.
[2:26:15] » Well, I wouldn't go larger, though.
>> I wouldn't go larger either.
[2:26:19] » No, that looked larger in the picture,
but I think it was just cuz I was
[2:26:22] drawing it in word. I think this size
the transfer station really wanted to
[2:26:26] stay with this size. But but I wonder
>> it is a good question.
[2:26:31] » We'll take we'll take it under.
>> Yep.
[2:26:33] » Well, just that probably is the push
back you're getting.
[2:26:36] » Yeah,
>> they're too big. But um
[2:26:40] uh I wanted to tell you the town square
is really spiffy this summer. You guys
[2:26:46] have done great work there. Taking down
that place and opening it up is a huge
[2:26:52] benefit. It's a much better grade. Also,
it's a nice little advantage. I just
[2:26:55] wanted to mention that.
Um, and I can't think of anything else.
[2:27:01] I thank the chief for quick work on the
roundtop fire, which was great.
[2:27:07] » Um,
that's it.
[2:27:10] » Thank you.
>> No, thank you very much for your
[2:27:12] flexibility.
>> No, thank you.
[2:27:14] » Take care. Have a good night.
>> We don't want to discourage
[2:27:16] participation.
>> Okay.
[2:27:18] » Have a good night.
>> You too.
[2:27:22] » Yeah, he took it.
>> Maybe some of us
[2:27:24] » here. I know that we do nonpublic
sometimes at the beginning of the night
[2:27:28] is because we want to make sure that
employees can get home too, but do we
[2:27:33] want to reconsider that at some point or
just keep and move it to the end of the
[2:27:38] night so that people can get them
public?
[2:27:40] » Maybe we add a we add a general public
comment
[2:27:44] » at the earlier.
>> Yeah. Um probably I would think um
[2:27:50] maybe after the idea
>> after any of the normal stuff like what
[2:27:56] would that be? Sent agenda
>> or minutes after we take care of that
[2:28:01] stuff.
[2:28:04] » So after do the pledge the non-public
the consent agenda the regular agenda
[2:28:10] items before the TA or before the
regular agenda items? I think before the
[2:28:15] regular end because someone just
>> wants to come and say their piece about
[2:28:19] something else and then we can have one
at the end too with a you know someone
[2:28:24] sat through the meeting and they want to
talk about something.
[2:28:28] » Yeah.
>> Okay.
[2:28:31] Um, so this is a grant that we can apply
for. Um, and they they are hosting a
[2:28:38] meeting to talk about virtually that I
can go attend, but I didn't know if you
[2:28:43] still had any. So, it just said
Bronzefields are vacant, abandoned,
[2:28:46] underutilized properties where presence
or potential presence of hazardous
[2:28:50] substance pollution or contaminant makes
redevelopment challenging and costly.
[2:28:55] » So, do they have to be town owned
properties? I don't think so because I
[2:28:59] think we've talked about
um let's see says that um the per this
[2:29:07] meeting will update everyone on the
status of current grant. We still have
[2:29:11] money left to spend and what type of
work is available. We will work on
[2:29:14] brainstorming and identify potential
Brownsfield sites with your communities.
[2:29:20] LRPC is in the process of developing an
application and then the
[2:29:26] manage distribute. So, I think they they
would manage and distribute the funds,
[2:29:30] but it doesn't sound like it has to be a
town. So, I can attend the meeting and
[2:29:34] then come back if if because it doesn't
say when the grants would be due, but
[2:29:38] » I think it's really easy to go on to the
dees website and do a uh onetop query.
[2:29:44] » Let me see. uh in the for the town and
you know I I was actually just looking
[2:29:51] at some stuff yesterday
um
[2:29:56] » cuz I know that the post office parking
lot was a brownfield scale site but if
[2:30:00] we're not doing
>> anything along the Yeah. Instead of the
[2:30:04] » um but maybe if we're going to do some
redevelopment of um our
[2:30:11] » Oh yeah.
>> Yeah. Yeah, that' be a good
[2:30:14] » or the or along the bike path by just
north of the park.
[2:30:19] » Yep.
>> Okay. And the bike path just north of
[2:30:25] Oh, that's right. Because we talked
about there, too. Okay.
[2:30:27] » Yep.
>> Okay.
[2:30:31] » You know, cuz I was just I just did a
quick search. R&D paving has got some of
[2:30:36] this like in Franklin.
>> Yeah.
[2:30:38] » It's kind of interesting.
>> Yeah. There's quite a few places
[2:30:41] throughout the state still that haven't
had anything done with them. I mean, our
[2:30:45] biggest one was the Micro building where
the Micro building was the park was, but
[2:30:50] okay, that's that one. Um,
>> basically any place that ever had dry
[2:30:55] cleaning
>> or or an old
[2:30:59] » or a gas station like the library
property was because we had that old gas
[2:31:04] station and then window place before it
went away.
[2:31:08] where the library parking lot is used to
be a gas station. Yeah.
[2:31:12] » And then a window.
>> They got rid of the gas station and then
[2:31:16] it was a window something but and then
that got torn down. But um I've gotten
[2:31:22] um feedback from the attorney on
short-term rental finally. Um he
[2:31:26] apologized profusely. I will have that
um not until your October 1 meeting
[2:31:32] because I have Jo Joann's scheduled for
October 1st. Let me make sure I have
[2:31:38] that right.
>> One of the things that actually uh I
[2:31:41] don't have that right on that subject
and actually was brought up by a by a
[2:31:45] town resident that your next meeting.
Sorry.
[2:31:47] » Okay. To redtown resident to me was
okay. If you don't do licensing fees
[2:31:53] then you could do an inspection fee for
the for the fire department.
[2:32:02] Um he he said that um
he's got some comments and suggestions
[2:32:07] concerning the most recent draft which
was the last thing that we talked about
[2:32:11] what we wanted to do.
>> Okay.
[2:32:13] » But as discussed many times before, the
town must be very careful to narrowly
[2:32:18] tailor this process to only addressing
life safety issues rather than trying to
[2:32:22] incorporate.
>> What I was told was Meredith has a whole
[2:32:24] process in place.
>> Yeah, I'll look we'll look at that.
[2:32:28] Yeah,
>> but we should be able to bring this back
[2:32:31] and we'll check Meredith before we come
back.
[2:32:33] » Did Did you have a chance to speak with
that other res or resident
[2:32:39] » that I mentioned to you
>> about this that has a place in Florida
[2:32:44] that would be willing to talk to?
>> No.
[2:32:47] » Tell you or tell us like what they do in
Florida.
[2:32:50] » Did you give me a number to call?
>> I give you a name. I'll tell you when.
[2:32:54] » I don't Okay,
>> I'll tell you after. I'll
[2:32:56] » after. Yep. if it was August 13th. No
kidding.
[2:32:59] » And now's probably a good time. Now that
summer's ended, it's probably a good
[2:33:02] time.
>> Okay, perfect.
[2:33:03] » The other thing that we got to try to
talk to land use and ultimately probably
[2:33:09] the planning board for is uh ADU
definitions
[2:33:15] and short-term rentals because I don't
believe that our intention is to try to
[2:33:22] have ADUs that are short-term rentals.
ADU is fine. All good. Like like we need
[2:33:30] housing for family members. Even if you
intend to have an ADU and rent it out.
[2:33:35] » Do you remember Scott if anything was
being addressed with ADUs and it wasn't
[2:33:40] this year, right?
>> Cuz I think we got to get something on
[2:33:43] the
>> Oh, no. Which Scott is on the planning
[2:33:46] board.
>> I am.
[2:33:46] » Thank you.
>> So, we're
[2:33:51] we decided not to do anything about that
new yurt thing.
[2:33:54] » Yep.
>> Right. just pronounced the town the
[2:33:56] state now allows us to
>> yurts are allowed as residents I think.
[2:34:00] Yep. Okay.
>> And so we're just punting on that. No
[2:34:04] one's we can you know we can decide
something to make that change. We don't
[2:34:07] have to.
>> And then we're look I believe we're
[2:34:11] proposing to reduce the minimum square
footage required for an edu.
[2:34:17] » Yes.
>> I I guess I guess I'm I'm thinking about
[2:34:20] the not about short-term rentals
specifically.
[2:34:22] » No, but I mean think about the chart for
a second. We basically say these are the
[2:34:25] zones that short-term rentals are
allowed in when that was all concocted
[2:34:29] and worked out. ADUs weren't a thing,
>> but ADUs are on the chart now.
[2:34:36] » Right. So, my point is is do ADUs have
>> So, ADUs were a thing, but we didn't
[2:34:42] allow them and except for specific
rules. What what I'm saying is is should
[2:34:47] the chart be
uh amended to say ADU short-term rentals
[2:34:53] like like a category? So that way you
don't have to get into the square
[2:34:57] footage and the this and the right
because I think when we get into oh it's
[2:35:01] a year it's not a year it's a this.
we're gonna drive ourselves nuts
[2:35:06] » versus going, you know what, you can
have ADUs all day long, but ADUs have
[2:35:11] » just add a category because then you
could say they can exist category
[2:35:16] because those are uses. So, you would
have to have a zoning amendment and
[2:35:19] you'd have to pick what districts you're
allowing it if you're changing it. So,
[2:35:23] anyways, that's that to me is the
>> that's the thing because I I you know,
[2:35:28] in in the spirit of all the law changes,
it's all about addressing long-term
[2:35:33] housing,
>> but it isn't well, the spirit is
[2:35:37] addressing long-term housing, but it
really doesn't address long-term
[2:35:41] housing.
>> Sorry,
[2:35:43] » I'm not going to argue that point one
way or the other. I'm saying the spirit
[2:35:46] of it is that if again sort of you go
back to the all of the pieces from like
[2:35:53] all the budget discussions we end up
short-term rentals have just become
[2:35:58] harder I think for us. It doesn't allow
us to build our base and when you look
[2:36:03] at the population changes in town over
the last 10 years that would just make
[2:36:07] it more complicated. Hang on.
>> So, um,
[2:36:11] yeah, accessory dwelling unit isn't even
on here, which is problem.
[2:36:16] » Isn't on where?
>> It isn't on the chart.
[2:36:19] » Yeah,
>> should be.
[2:36:21] » I think it's being added, isn't it?
>> Is it Is it being added?
[2:36:25] » Okay.
>> Um, we'll double check, but it should
[2:36:29] because it's not on the chart currently.
>> I don't think,
[2:36:32] » but it was now the the code. We're We're
definitely modifying the language. Yes.
[2:36:38] » To match what the state requires and you
have to basically if you're allowed to
[2:36:41] have a house, you're allowed to have an
EQ.
[2:36:43] » Yeah, that's correct. So, so there's no
I mean from my perspective, I'm not
[2:36:46] trying to fight that.
>> I'm trying to I'm trying I'm trying to
[2:36:50] enable what they're asking for which is
housing so that we can have folks that
[2:36:56] want to move into town in a reasonable
manner versus
[2:37:01] just about short-term rentals. Yep.
>> Can I clarify that though? You say
[2:37:05] you're trying to get people who want to
move into town for housing. You don't
[2:37:08] want them to be used for short-term
rentals.
[2:37:11] » Correct.
>> Okay. Can Can you legally restrict them
[2:37:14] though?
[2:37:18] » That's I guess that's a question we
would have to check on.
[2:37:22] Um
>> I guess I guess if we had a mechanism
[2:37:25] that we were saying ADUs are allowed
here and here, whatever whatever we
[2:37:29] would have them before,
>> I was thinking the same. They're not
[2:37:33] they're not listed as unall allowable
uses cuz they're now with the new law.
[2:37:38] They're pretty much allowed everywhere.
Um but we do have a section regulating
[2:37:43] what size they are.
>> Okay. Anyways, that's it. That's what I
[2:37:46] was thinking about.
>> Okay. Sorry.
[2:37:48] » I I was just hoping we could get them to
add that to their list of things to
[2:37:53] consider,
>> you know, and how does that work in the
[2:37:57] master plan? Anyways,
>> um
[2:38:02] Joe Julian actually is coming next the
next meeting September 17th. So I will
[2:38:06] do the bring the short-term
stuff back then and hopefully we will
[2:38:11] also have an MS1 at that meeting.
[2:38:16] Um
>> looks like we are allowed to regulate
[2:38:21] shortterm rentals via zoning and via
permits.
[2:38:25] » Yes.
>> And even
[2:38:28] caps it looks like. So yeah, there's all
kinds of stuff we can do.
[2:38:32] » That's interesting. We can cap the
number the number of nights an owner can
[2:38:37] rent a year.
>> Interesting.
[2:38:45] » I mean, the point is is short-term
rentals drive investment decisions. Like
[2:38:50] I'm I'm buying the investment property
>> versus a family who's trying to move.
[2:38:54] That's all I'm saying.
>> Yeah. No, it's there's a balancing act
[2:38:59] for us being the an economy that's
driven by the lake and and the
[2:39:04] environment. That's all.
>> Not trying to shut anybody out.
[2:39:09] » I also received um a notice to vacate
documents from the attorney for the
[2:39:15] property. Um I'm having it served, but I
haven't talked to the police chief yet.
[2:39:19] So, I'm having the police department
serve it hopefully next week. Um we do
[2:39:24] have to first step is to do the notice
to vacate and have it served which would
[2:39:28] show official record of service. Um so I
will get the letter signed.
[2:39:34] » Does that does that have a time frame on
the
[2:39:36] » Yeah, it says once the letter is fully
complete with all the necessary
[2:39:40] information. Um it goes on. Sorry, fil
by the letter. It would be
[2:39:46] if um if the occupants do not vacate, I
have to notify the attorney after the
[2:39:52] deadline has passed in the notice. So, I
think he is recommending
[2:39:59] I think last I checked this it was a
30-day
[2:40:03] Yeah, it's 30 days. So, so if we serve
it next week, it won't be until
[2:40:09] » October.
>> October. But at least that we're now
[2:40:12] we're moving forward. Um he did
apologize profusely that this fell
[2:40:17] through the cracks for him. Um so but he
got me three things that were overdue
[2:40:22] this week. So good news. Um
his there was a question that came from
[2:40:29] our
H&H
[2:40:33] were the people for the bridges, right?
So, um, this says, "In our meeting, I
[2:40:38] believe Sean mentioned that the town has
historical documentation. Could you
[2:40:41] please connect this? They've introduced
me to a person named Carly. Um, to get
[2:40:46] access to this information." Was it the
historical society or was it
[2:40:52] » Which bridge were we talking about?
>> Um,
[2:40:56] it doesn't say. Well, it says Bristol
43429 project. That doesn't
[2:41:01] » It's the It's the South M. The South
Main. It's the South Main version.
[2:41:05] » Yeah. Okay. I was just referring to what
was in
[2:41:11] um Muskro's history.
>> Okay.
[2:41:14] » The different generations of which is
available on internet archive
[2:41:21] and surgery.
>> I'll send that to her.
[2:41:29] » And then I think that
just went out. I think that's it. Let me
[2:41:37] just double check one thing.
I sorted them by select board here. Um
[2:41:43] I did think it was nice to share this
comment. Um old home day was this
[2:41:47] weekend. It looked great. And let me
that mural when you came down from the
[2:41:52] elementary. I went through the
elementary school cuz the parking was so
[2:41:55] full. I parked over here and walked
down. when you came across and saw the
[2:42:01] park and saw that mural, it was like,
"Holy cow."
[2:42:06] But so this person was a vendor and um
said um they just wanted to take a
[2:42:11] moment to say a huge thank you to it's
to Les and everyone who helped at the
[2:42:15] first Old Home Day. Um everyone involved
in putting together such a wonderful
[2:42:20] event. We had an absolutely fantastic
time being part of Bristol Home Day. The
[2:42:24] event was so well organized. The
community was amazing and we truly
[2:42:28] appreciated being welcomed as a vendor.
It was such a great day for for them and
[2:42:33] we incredibly grateful for all the hard
work that went into making it such
[2:42:37] success. So
>> nice.
[2:42:39] » So it was really nice. Um they would
love to come back. Um and we may
[2:42:43] consider them for the fireworks. So but
>> pictures looked awesome.
[2:42:48] » Yeah, they it was nice. So
>> looked like there was a low turnout for
[2:42:53] uh the car
>> cars. I thought so too. the car, but I
[2:42:56] met three cars headed to Plymouth. So, I
was wondering if there was something
[2:42:59] going on that direction
>> because on my way down, I met them all
[2:43:04] headed that way. So, but
um I that's it.
[2:43:08] » How do the golf carts work out?
>> I reserved I don't know.
[2:43:14] » I reserved um to call it Columbbo, but I
don't have the golf cart. Um they only
[2:43:18] had one. We only sent one down um
because Dan had a different golf cart
[2:43:23] that he was using, too. So, as far as I
know, they worked well. So,
[2:43:27] » I did see it buzzing around.
>> Yeah.
[2:43:31] » What
>> was that? You're on your list.
[2:43:34] » No. No.
>> You sound
[2:43:39] I just know they've been a sore spot for
a couple for a couple of folks. I didn't
[2:43:44] I didn't know if you were poking the
bear.
[2:43:46] » No, I did not. I was not aware of the
sore spot.
[2:43:48] » Yeah.
>> Wow.
[2:43:50] » You're going to have to tell me that
after.
[2:43:53] No, it's no secret.
>> Sorry.
[2:43:55] » Oh, for for the story. Oh,
>> no. Just that we bought them.
[2:44:00] » Oh, we do need to talk about Right now
it's booked to contingency.
[2:44:04] » Um but I looked at I um
>> there might be some money in the
[2:44:10] fireworks fund after, but no money left
out of the Warren article. So, um so we
[2:44:17] can decide if we're going to leave it
under contingency fund or not. Um, even
[2:44:22] if we did leave it, we still have um,
we don't have to make that decision
[2:44:29] tonight, but we still have
contingency.
[2:44:35] I have one thing to finish paying, which
is the downtown plaque. He's It's
[2:44:40] supposed to be um, installed short soon.
Once it is, I'll let you know. But based
[2:44:45] on that payment, I still have to pay um,
we still have $13,250.
[2:44:51] Okay.
>> Um I had to book all of the golf cart
[2:44:53] maintenance to it.
>> Yep.
[2:44:55] » Um and the downtown plaque and then we
approved the Z monitor and then the
[2:45:00] purchase of the golf carts. So, but
Okay.
[2:45:04] » All right,
Scott.
[2:45:07] Uh the other thing I have is what's
going on at Kelly Park behind the
[2:45:11] softball field. There's no fence up
the project.
[2:45:17] » No, they were redoing the the hill.
>> Oh, receding the hill. Yeah, the hill
[2:45:20] took a beating during the soft fall
season. So,
[2:45:23] » okay.
>> Yeah,
[2:45:27] » now's a good time of year.
>> Yeah,
[2:45:28] » some grass.
>> Okay, I think that's it.
[2:45:33] All right. Um,
>> I think we're going to also go out to
[2:45:38] RFP on the lawn care provider.
>> Thank you. I was going to bring that up.
[2:45:44] » Um, we did have a conversation. I did
tell him that I didn't believe he was
[2:45:48] doing the work.
and that he needed to put signs out
[2:45:52] because he hasn't been putting signs out
and he's been sick. So,
[2:45:56] » well, and some other Yeah.
>> So, yeah. Um, that was on my list. So,
[2:46:00] thank you.
>> Yeah.
[2:46:01] » Yep.
>> It was brought someone else in town
[2:46:04] mentioned
>> that did look so great.
[2:46:07] » Um, it does it looks better than last
year, but um last year everything was
[2:46:12] burnt brown, but
>> No, not Yeah. Like are they also doing
[2:46:16] the square
>> like with the treatments and stuff?
[2:46:19] » Yes.
>> Yeah, that needs
[2:46:21] » and this build so they do this building
the Eagle Scout Park
[2:46:25] » the square historic town hall supposed
to be being done.
[2:46:28] » Yeah. So I I agree that should go up.
[2:46:34] » Excuse me.
>> Did we discuss Are we going to do we
[2:46:38] have any projects for more? Is there
anything that we're going to propose?
[2:46:41] Um, I think there's a there's a couple
that I have in mind, but we haven't
[2:46:46] discussed anything.
>> Not yet. We we usually do that right
[2:46:49] after budget.
>> Yeah. Okay.
[2:46:52] » But, um, I am I don't have anything
specific coming from department heads
[2:46:57] yet, except for the normal capital
reserve stuff. Um,
[2:47:01] » but this building, depending on what you
want to do, is one of them. So,
[2:47:05] » um,
>> and then if we do go out to if we get
[2:47:09] the RFPs done, um, we're also
>> kind of cross my feet at the
[2:47:15] » I did.
>> Um, if I do, we are talking about RFPs
[2:47:20] on the phone system because we continue
to have some issues.
[2:47:23] » Um, and that will require an upfront
cost. So, um, to do phones, last time it
[2:47:30] cost us, if I remember correctly,
$10,000 upfront and we only paid $280 a
[2:47:35] month. But,
>> okay.
[2:47:37] » But it's time because we did this. It we
talk about doing some of these things
[2:47:42] five to six. It's been longer than that.
We did that phone system in 200.
[2:47:48] » Yes, we moved in here in 19. So, we did
it in 2018.
[2:47:53] » All right. So we can
>> 2018 we bought these phones.
[2:47:57] » We talked about that a bunch but like
there's a hundred ways to to skin that
[2:48:03] right.
>> Yeah,
[2:48:05] » especially when we talk about all the
issues that the police have fire like
[2:48:09] still have a phone issue like that makes
zero sense.
[2:48:11] » They um they've resolved most of it
except for two things. So, the delay and
[2:48:16] the
[2:48:20] the delay and the captain's phone isn't
working again for some reason. So,
[2:48:24] » huh,
>> those are the two things that we've got
[2:48:26] it resolved to down there. Um, but they
seem they're the only ones not the only
[2:48:32] Let me rephrase that. They're the ones
that seem to be having the biggest
[2:48:35] issues. So, but
>> Okay.
[2:48:40] » Okay. Um, I got I got three things, but
I'll try to make it fast. One of them is
[2:48:45] um
when Victor comes in, I would like us to
[2:48:49] if we can maybe think about the
what questions because we said that
[2:48:56] during the vote of the over the backho
we said we re you know it would be
[2:49:01] revisited in a year. How do we what are
the things that we want to make sure
[2:49:07] what what are the questions that we're
going to revisit is I guess the question
[2:49:10] right. So, I'd like to make sure that we
sort of at least give them a heads up
[2:49:13] and say, "Hey, let's have that
discussion." What is what does success
[2:49:17] look like if you if it then stays? So,
that's one. Um to Christina, I don't
[2:49:21] know if you can quickly share it or
>> Oh, yeah.
[2:49:24] » that there's a
>> I did drop it in the file. So, I think
[2:49:27] it's Let me look. So, there's I I sent
Christina
[2:49:32] um
>> it was in it was in last week's meeting,
[2:49:35] but we never got to because not last
week's meeting, the last meeting because
[2:49:39] it was a long night.
>> So, so um basically it's about the lake
[2:49:43] level,
>> right? So, in talking to Greg and
[2:49:46] talking to some other folks, they're
definitely seeing some of the uh tourist
[2:49:51] stuff sort of tail, you know, fall off a
little bit, right? It's anecdotal at
[2:49:55] best right now. There's not like there's
hard data, but
[2:49:59] I mean, all you have to do is look at
community and you you see a whole bunch
[2:50:02] of people complaining about a hole in
their boats.
[2:50:04] » Well, when the boats come out of the
water, they're not buying gas. They're
[2:50:07] not going to the stores. There's a bunch
of stuff that they're not doing. So,
[2:50:11] basically what that report shows is Dees
has said that they use what's called the
[2:50:16] 1982 curve to manage the lake level.
>> Okay? And we've been below the curve all
[2:50:21] summer and it and it started really in
June. What I'd like to do is this is not
[2:50:26] about telling dees that they did
something wrong because I do believe
[2:50:29] honestly that when you look at all the
information that's there. They're
[2:50:33] definitely trying to maintain a level.
But basically early in the season a lot
[2:50:38] of water was let out and then we we
didn't haven't gotten any rain to make
[2:50:42] up the difference.
>> Okay. Right.
[2:50:45] » So if we're managing to that curve, how
do you recognize it sooner on the front
[2:50:51] end? Because as the as the season goes
on, you have more headroom to manage it.
[2:50:55] You you have more ability to let stuff
up. You have no ability to to bring more
[2:50:59] in.
>> It's in your folders now under number 13
[2:51:03] select board item.
>> So, um
[2:51:06] » anyways, all it is is a report that
shows you uh rainfall. I tried to do
[2:51:11] rainfall
um the curve compared to the height by
[2:51:16] middle of the month. Um, so anyways, I I
would like us if it's at all possible to
[2:51:21] figure out how do we communicate with
with dees. I'm not sure I'm not sure the
[2:51:26] best mechanism to do that to be honest.
>> Um, Greg Wagner did say to me today he
[2:51:32] said you guys should also reach out to
NLA. So I'm happy to do that because um
[2:51:38] he said between NLR fishing game and
everybody there was they have had a lot
[2:51:42] of discussions around the lake levels
too. So they may have some good input.
[2:51:47] Again, this is not about putting the
state on their heels or telling them
[2:51:51] that they need to pick a new
methodology.
[2:51:54] However, it is evidence of two years in
a row that the methodology that you said
[2:52:01] you're using, we're not really tracking
to,
[2:52:03] » right? They haven't met.
>> So, so, so how do we how do we find
[2:52:07] middle ground? Because one of the
primary questions, you'll see it on the
[2:52:10] front page, is if you take a look at the
current lake level, we're basically
[2:52:14] almost 5 weeks ahead of schedule.
That's taking an entire month out of a
[2:52:19] boating season that isn't very long to
begin with.
[2:52:22] » Right.
>> So anyway,
[2:52:26] how long ago did they have that
discussion? They I remember they had a
[2:52:29] form I think wasn't it in Bridgewater?
>> Yeah, it was the town.
[2:52:35] They actually they took they did that me
they wrote a report they sent it in the
[2:52:40] US reviewed it sent them back a denial
about changing it
[2:52:44] » it got appealed and then I think they
got a second denial
[2:52:50] » which I shared those documents with John
when he was doing this
[2:52:54] » I'm not suggesting
>> but the state change it
[2:52:57] » the state itself had a had like a
two-year period where they said we're
[2:53:02] you know we're changing the way we
manage it to see if it works. And then
[2:53:09] at the end of that, they went back to
the
[2:53:11] » to the 1980s way,
>> right? Yeah. Yeah. So again, I'm not
[2:53:15] looking for something different. I'm
looking for that to
[2:53:18] » I also think as probably as good as it,
you know, it used to be the guy came to
[2:53:23] the dam.
>> Yeah.
[2:53:24] » And made an adjustment
>> and and left and then he came back a
[2:53:28] couple days later and now everything is
automatic. So no one is there,
[2:53:32] » right? They don't see the lake. Y they
>> they just see
[2:53:36] » I just I given
>> dial on a on a screen.
[2:53:40] » Given our dependence locally,
>> we need to figure out how to be engaged
[2:53:47] in a different way. That's all that's
really all I'm saying.
[2:53:51] Um
yeah,
[2:53:55] » number one.
>> No, that was two cuz the first one was
[2:53:58] highway. The second one was
>> Yeah, those two.
[2:54:01] » Uh
on the highway. Can I um would the
[2:54:05] requirements document be something that
you would potentially have?
[2:54:08] » I mean, we could we could use that to
flush out. Look at the end of the day.
[2:54:11] All I'm saying is is like
>> what are our metrics that we're trying
[2:54:14] to
>> That's it. Is it number of hours? Is it
[2:54:16] number of job? I I'm looking for us if
we're saying we're going to evaluate
[2:54:21] something at a at a future date, we're
going to try this out and see what it
[2:54:24] is, then we should
>> How much more did we get done versus
[2:54:28] what we spent?
>> Right.
[2:54:30] » Right. Or did and or did the budget go
up because of gas or fuel or whatever?
[2:54:36] Yeah.
>> Whatever the appropriate criteria.
[2:54:38] » If the budget goes up
>> if you overspend
[2:54:42] » 20% not the whole budget but the budget
for that machine.
[2:54:45] » Right.
>> But we got twice as much done
[2:54:48] » then.
Yeah. Exactly.
[2:54:51] » Yeah.
>> Right. But if it's 60% and 10% right
[2:54:56] » that it doesn't work
>> right. Because if you take today's hours
[2:54:59] and then okay, we think we're going to
use it this much.
[2:55:02] » Yeah.
>> And then tomorrow's hours is really only
[2:55:04] 10 more,
>> right?
[2:55:05] » What was the operating cost,
>> right?
[2:55:08] » By hour.
>> Yeah.
[2:55:10] » Something to that effect. Um
>> Oh, EDC was the last one. So Christine
[2:55:17] and I went back and forth
>> um last week about a potential grant and
[2:55:22] we ultimately decided to not
>> I thought it was that note. I couldn't
[2:55:26] figure out what that note was. Sorry.
>> Okay. So, we ultimately decided to not
[2:55:31] push it. And it was really because it
was like, okay, how sort of back to the
[2:55:35] budget discussion, how does how does
this help us downtown do development?
[2:55:40] How does it fit into the master plan?
Because there's already the um what was
[2:55:44] it the 73? What?
>> So, we are downtown. We already have the
[2:55:48] 79E revitalization district. So what
this was is an opportunity zone which
[2:55:54] would bring investors in.
>> But when we started looking at it, we're
[2:55:57] like, well, where where do we have that
we could bring in
[2:56:01] » where the investors, right?
>> Which of the properties
[2:56:04] » like there was a lot of stuff and it was
like
[2:56:09] it the juice didn't seem worth the
squeeze, right? So So ultimately we we
[2:56:12] we passed. But um I just wanted to bring
it up so you guys a knew the EDC is
[2:56:18] trying to like figure out way to do some
of those things but then you know we're
[2:56:22] also trying to apply pressure to go okay
just because we can doesn't mean we
[2:56:26] should. So like whether it's a piece of
equipment or a a grant like same rules
[2:56:34] apply like how does it fit? So anyways
there you go there's my three things. Go
[2:56:38] ahead.
>> Did Bruce Dunner was asking about the
[2:56:43] d the second draft discussion that he
made changes to.
[2:56:47] » Were we supposed to bring that here or
wait until
[2:56:51] » uh he didn't tell me. I haven't
>> heard it on the email.
[2:56:53] » Okay. I he he sent me a text. He wants
to get a a drink and talk, but I'll I'll
[2:56:59] talk.
>> Okay.
[2:57:01] » And because we can bring it to the next
meeting.
[2:57:03] » Y sounds good.
>> Got nothing.
[2:57:06] » No. Okay. Just a couple quick things.
Um, out of the blue, a couple of kudos.
[2:57:11] Out of the blue, got a text from a non
resident taxpayer.
[2:57:17] Hey, just some positive info. Just went
to the Bristol. I'm going to say dump,
[2:57:22] but it's the transfer station. Every one
of those guys were helping everybody.
[2:57:26] Incredibly clean. Best I've ever seen.
The dump work and cleanliness. You
[2:57:32] should be pleased. So, please pass that
along. Um, also, uh, I heard from a
[2:57:40] couple of different folks. Just kudos to
land use office. Um, and I'll single
[2:57:46] I'll single her I'll single her out. Uh,
uh, special kudos to Ashley who is just,
[2:57:53] uh, doing a great job being being the
face of the town uh, for folks that are
[2:58:00] that are coming there trying to do
things. So again, just, you know,
[2:58:07] they always hear the negative, but they
don't always hear the positive. So,
[2:58:10] » I want to pass that along.
>> Um,
[2:58:14] I don't know if anything's going to come
of it. Um,
[2:58:18] I won't go into the whole story, but I
found out I did find out that the dam
[2:58:22] bureau is looking at
which properties they should continue to
[2:58:27] own and which properties they shouldn't.
So, I did send them a email as a member
[2:58:34] of the select board and the conservation
commission about properties along the
[2:58:37] river. I have not received a reply yet,
but I'm going to follow up a phone call.
[2:58:43] Um,
who asked was it? Somebody asked Oh, no.
[2:58:48] It's Donna about the, you know, the dam.
It's um Fenberg that owns that. So, I'll
[2:58:54] I'll talk to her. Yeah.
>> Right.
[2:58:59] I'll keep everyone updated on that.
Hopefully, something does, but
[2:59:04] » I think they should just give it to us.
>> Yeah.
[2:59:09] I did speaking of the comments um I did
speak with someone who didn't have a
[2:59:14] good comment but one of my comments back
to them was assessing and land use is a
[2:59:19] thankful thankless position. I said
they're not often that the you're ever
[2:59:24] going to hear anything good come from
that. I said I'm not trying to make
[2:59:27] excuses for them but you have to and
this person agreed. though. But
[2:59:31] » yeah, but
>> yeah, it's a it's a tough position to be
[2:59:34] in, but
>> um I think given everything
[2:59:39] » that we expect of them, I I think the
office does a does a great job. Donna,
[2:59:45] Joanne,
everyone in that office, Mike, everyone
[2:59:49] does a great job.
>> So, just wanted to pass that along.
[2:59:56] » I think that's what I have. Can I have
two se uh two seconds at the end for a
[3:00:00] non-public comment? You just remind me.
>> Sure.
[3:00:03] » Okay.
>> Sure.
[3:00:04] » Other than that,
>> public comment.
[3:00:08] » Okay.
>> Okay. But is this I I actually speaking
[3:00:12] of the setup, I don't think this is good
either because my screen is if I'm
[3:00:17] looking at something
>> everyone can see, then I'm like, okay,
[3:00:22] that's not going to work. So, I will
have to set something different. But
[3:00:26] » yeah, I mean, oh, whatever. Yeah,
thanks.
[3:00:29] » We we we still the reason we keep and so
everybody knows who might be watching.
[3:00:33] Um, we're trying to set this up for the
potential improvements that we've got to
[3:00:37] do this run before the end of the year.
So, we've got the sound improvements
[3:00:41] that we approved to encumber the money
from last year.
[3:00:45] So, in order to we have to find what
works safetywise, which um and what
[3:00:50] works for people to be able to talk and
watch the screen because we're not
[3:00:54] putting another TV in and for us to be
able to be heard for CAD stuff to also
[3:01:01] be heard on Zoom because that's been our
biggest complaint has been people can't
[3:01:05] hear.
>> Yeah. Um, so that's why I keep shifting
[3:01:09] a little, trying to test other spots.
But, um, today I was like, hm, he's
[3:01:14] sitting right behind me. I'm not looking
at anything non-public, but
[3:01:20] » camera's right behind you, too.
>> Yeah. So, that's my con. I was like,
[3:01:23] that was too far away. I couldn't run
the screen that far away with this
[3:01:27] setup. With the new setup, I was going
to switch that, but they're still behind
[3:01:31] me.
>> Unless, but then I'm backwards to the
[3:01:34] TV. Oh man.
>> Until we get the new
[3:01:40] » mirror. Yeah. I'll have it sticking out
from here.
[3:01:44] » You guys were arguing with the two TVs
in here, but that's a different thing.
[3:01:48] » Yeah.
>> So
[3:01:49] » So if you're presenting from your
laptop, you shouldn't need to see the
[3:01:52] screen that well.
>> Well, if so, I have to check and make
[3:01:56] sure it shares. That's the pro.
Sometimes it doesn't.
[3:01:58] » You need to be really close to it to see
that it shares.
[3:02:01] » Yeah. So, I could turn I could keep my
back to the TV and just look at my
[3:02:05] computer
>> over here facing that way.
[3:02:07] » Oh, I can't run the m when I need to run
up here. I can't run the mouse for
[3:02:13] anything on that computer up front if I
need to. So, sometime I have to
[3:02:18] hopefully I don't have to use it hardly
at all during the meeting, but
[3:02:24] » we'll deal with that later.
>> I have to allow myself to be able to
[3:02:27] share
>> um start the meeting. But if I do that
[3:02:31] all before the meeting and then allow
myself to share, we could go back here.
[3:02:36] » But
>> my whole side panel I was like, "God,
[3:02:40] I'm going to have to sit like this the
whole time.
[3:02:44] » We can put you in the hall. I'm sure we
can get you a long range wireless
[3:02:48] mouse."
>> PC.
[3:02:52] All right.
>> Okay. Motion motion to adjourn.
[3:02:55] » No motion nonpublic
>> uh pursuant to 91A, A, B, and C.
[3:03:01] » Second.
>> Uh just for clarification, it's 91 A3 2
[3:03:08] A B and C.
>> Oh, I'm sorry. Yes.
[3:03:10] » Uh
>> at 9:10 p.m.
[3:03:12] » Call
I. Okay. See you.