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in 1961. Just to give you uh some
conception of how old the pool was.

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» She had left in 92,
returned in 94 or 82, I'm sorry.

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» Is the green light on in the mic?
>> Yes.

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» She returned She left in ' 82, returned
in 1992, has been living there ever

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since. uh her parents passed away and
the house was uh given to her in 2014.

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In 2018,
she filled in the pool because it was

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deteriorating.
Um they filled it in with top soil and 4

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in of cement.
She did not get a permit because she

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didn't know she needed one. Um, she also
increased the driveway by 75 ft to her

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backyard so she could put the boat in
there. Again, she didn't know that she

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needed a permit. When she applied for a
permit, it was denied saying it was

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above the imperous surface.
Um, we have photographs of what the pool

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used to look like and what they

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is what the pool used to look like. P5
is when they filled it in with dirt.

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» You're talking in the microphone so they
can they can capture you.

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driveway was extended. There was an
original driveway there, but grass had

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grown through the original stone. They
put new stone in there and then they

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extended it because they had a boat and
they wanted to put the boat in the

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backyard.

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Uh
again, they were unaware that they

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needed to get a permit for that.
So, what we're asking is

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that the um
impervious surface be extended to 51.6

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ft 51.6%
which uh we check with the township and

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that's what it is. The side yard
uh was

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7 foot and it's now six foot. The
backyard is 20 foot set back and with

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the patio it's six foot short of that. I
might say that the pool was closer than

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that. However,
the other

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[clears throat]

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» any event they
They filled in the pool. It's smaller

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because the deck area, you know, is now
grass

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and they are planning to sell the house
and move in the next year. So, we're

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just merely asking that
this uh variance be granted.

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Is that all you have?
You would look at P7.

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[clears throat]

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[snorts]

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» Okay.

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Just uh I would ask that you review P8
and

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What they did

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the area

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Mr. Cars will mark these as P910.
>> Yes.

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So The gazebo and the patio already
there, right?

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» Yes.
>> And have been for a while.

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» Well, they put they filled it in and
then afterwards they put a gazebo on.

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But the gazeos can be removed by screws.
>> Exactly. Right. Because you're selling

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in a year, right? So what does that take
away? Your setback and your sideyard set

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back, right?
>> Yes.

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» Okay. Right. Okay. But
>> the patio is the setback issue.

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» Oh, this the patio is the set. Okay.
It's not the gazebo. Gazebo has nothing

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to do with anything.
>> The patio would it's the permanent

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structure. That gazebo is just something
they popped up.

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» Okay. Right. The patio part. All right.
>> They filled it in with, you know, top

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soil.
>> The patio is considered the concrete

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that's that covers the pool.
>> Yes. [clears throat]

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But it's actually less than what the
pool with the deck around it was.

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Um they they didn't realize they needed
to get a permit and when they did it was

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denied. So we're here.
They, you know, generally have like

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Halloween and Christmas decorations and
it came to I think the board's attention

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because they stored them in a container
and they removed that. That was the

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reason that the I believe
uh the officer came and noticed that the

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patio was there
>> and the stone driveway has got the boat

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on it.
>> The stone driveway was extended

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75 by 14 ft. If the board wants us
>> Well, that's where the two storage units

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were.
>> Okay.

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» They were removed.
>> Okay. No, you you got it sworn in.

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But as I understand it, there was a
stone driveway leading up to the middle

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of the house that grass was growing on
it. You rested it.

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» Right.
>> That was there when your dad had bought

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the property. Correct. And then you and
then you had a fence and on the other

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side of the fence, which is your back
and side yard, you increased it by 75 by

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14 ft of stone to put a uh the boat that
you had out there because you didn't

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want on the street or in the driveway.
It's a small driveway. Is that correct?

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» And if necessary, you would remove the
driveway to decrease the impervious

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surface if you have to.
>> I needed to. Yes.

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Okay.
I love that idea.

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Uh, anybody from the board? Are you
Sorry. Are you done, sir?

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» Yes, you're on.
>> All right. [clears throat] Uh, anybody

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from the U board like to have have any
questions, comments, concerns?

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» How long ago was the pool? I'm sorry,
the uh the patio installed.

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» 2018.
>> And when was the driveway extended?

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Jamie, here we go.
>> Okay.

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Anybody else?
>> I have a question. So, you said you were

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willing to get rid of the driveway,
right? Correct. Turn that back to grass.

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Did I hear that correctly?
>> Part of it. Yeah.

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» Does anybody know the number that would
change the impervious service if that

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happens?
>> Be a lot of math.

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» Sorry, I just [laughter]
>> Go ahead, Bob. You can do it.

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So, we're at 51.6,
Right now with everything

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» it's50
probably bring the percentage down to

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around 40 46 45

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let's give 45 the benefit of it down
here. Um all right but that' be the

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whole whole stone driveway not just half
of the stone driveway. That's a whole 75

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by 14 would be the extension.
the extension. All right.

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» I'd rather see the boat in my backyard.
>> Well, they're uh they're moving the boat

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down to Tennessee. They're they're
that'll be gone in the next month or two

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and then they plan to move down there
next year.

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» Okay.
This is going better and better. All

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right. Um anybody else from the board?
>> All right. Anybody from the audience?

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Okay.
So,

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we can put a condition on this, correct?
All right.

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Um, [clears throat]
>> I'd request that you grant it subject to

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them taking out the extension of the
driveway, which was 75 by 14.

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» That's the condition we're going to make
on the condition that they remove the 75

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by 14 ft stone driveway. All right.
>> I'm not understand. Do you agree with

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that?
>> Yes.

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» Okay.
All right. And the sideyard setbacks.

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Everybody's fine with the sideyard
setbacks, right? Was the one six foot

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and the other one was

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What was the What was the
>> both? Okay. All right.

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All right. Um,
I'm going to make a motion on the

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condition of the uh 14 by or 75 by 14
stone driveway be removed. I'll make a

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motion to approve.
Do I have a second?

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» I'll second.
>> Call the board, please.

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» Gerard Lyon,
>> yes.

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» Mark Demarcus,
>> yes.

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» Jim McMahon,
>> yes.

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» Ed Murphy, yes. Good luck.
>> There you go.

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» Thank you.
>> Thank you. Have a nice evening.

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That's a That's a that came in education
right there, bro.

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» Uh, next up, Hilbert Synindor,
uh, 1007 Steven Avenue, Cudden, please

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come on up.

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boy.

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» Good evening everyone. My name is
Barbara Kirk. I represent Mr. Senator.

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Um I have with me the affidavit of
posting as well as my affidavit of

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mailing notices in addition to three or
four additional um notices that Mr.

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percentage door secured from residence.
>> Miss Kirk, if you don't have pre-marked

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exhibits, I'll mark these as
collectively A1.

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» I marked P1 through P4. So, if you
>> P5,

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» that's fine.
>> Thank you.

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» So, if the board may recall, we were
before you in April, at which time Mr.

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Senator has a house that was t that he
lives in primarily and it's was titled

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in his mother's name with him who has
passed away. He had added an addition to

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that house which originally was a four
post open air gazebo in 2014. Thereafter

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that was enclosed and Mr. Senator has a
group of people that come to his house

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on Sundays
up and until the date of the hearing um

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and they they participate in religious
worship. So he was asking for approval

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to have an accessory use to the for the
that addition area for religious

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worship. He then had an additional
structure constructed in the back,

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another forosted
um gazebo, open air gazebo, which ended

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up prompting the application in that it
was practically to the rear property

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line. The board based on their comments
and questions had two major concerns

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from what I remember. One, that second
structure being built so close to the

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property nine and the need for it. The
second was there at the time could not

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locate permits to show that the enclosed
g first edition area had been inspected

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and maintained and there was concerns
about electrical.

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Those permits have since been found and
Mr. Dumac or engineer will verify as to

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which permits were received and how they
were obtained. In the meantime, Mr.

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Senator has removed the rear structure
which has been verified by the

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township's code enforcement officer and
I would like to present to the board

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exhibit P1 which is a photograph of the
rear of the property without the

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structure and exhibit P2 which is a
confirming email from Miss Heling to me

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that you went to the property and saw
that the structure had been removed as

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early as June 9th of this here.
>> I can confirm that also it has been

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removed.
>> Okay.

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» And there's copies for everybody.
>> Thanks.

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» With that second structure being
removed, the variance request that Mr.

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Senator originally was asking for has
sub has changed substantially.

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In order to make it easy for the board,
I had prepared an updated addendum and

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I've included a highlighted sections as
to what specific variance relief was

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modified. Basically, the building area
as that rear structure is not there.

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Impervious surface coverage, the rear
yard setback which has substantially

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increased from the 1.41 ft originally
requested up to 18.43 43 ft and the um

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request to add that second pavilion area
in the rear has been eliminated.

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Otherwise, the uh variance requests are
mostly the accessory use for religious

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purposes to have worship there as well
as um dimensional variances including

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off- streetet parking. For the board's
ease, I've got a chart for you that I've

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marked as exhibit P3 to present.

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» And to help move things along, Mr.
Senator, you have just heard my

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recitation of the facts to the board,
correct?

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» Yes.
>> And has everything I said so far been

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true and correct?
>> Yes. And you are still asking to uh

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allow that congregation of 10 to 12
people come to your house on Sundays for

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religious uh worship for about an hour.
Correct?

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» Yes.
>> And would they still continue to come by

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way of either walking or being
transported in a van that you own?

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» Yes.
>> Okay. And you are in still in agreement

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that should the board grant the relief
requested, you would agree to a

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limitation as to the number of people
that come to your house. Yes.

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» For that purpose on Sundays. Is that
correct?

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» Yes.
>> Okay.

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» If the board has no questions of Mr.
Senator, I'd like to move into speaking

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to Mr. Dumac in his testimony.
>> Anybody have any questions for Mr.

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» How many people come to worship at your
house? Average

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» your order look like eight people and
they're all senior citizens.

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I'm going to pick it up there to their
home and bring in my in my place to

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Bible study.
>> But Mr. Senator did confirm that there

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may be an an additional one or two
persons that come.

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» So that's why we were saying 10 to 12.
>> Um just to be safe because he doesn't

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want to say strictly eight and then
somebody else had popped up.

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» Okay.
>> Anybody else have any questions for Mr.

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Senator? I
>> I have one question. So you you're

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requesting the house of worship.
>> Yes.

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» Does that have any tax implications?
>> Yes.

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» I have a 51 C3.
>> Sorry.

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» 501c3.
>> You have a 501c3.

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» You would need that permit to to
acquire. You would need to acquire that

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permit to allow that at the residence.
Correct.

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» Yes.
>> Okay. Thank you.

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» All right. Any Okay. Is that it? All
right. Good.

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» Mr. Dumac, please uh introduce yourself
to the board.

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» Hi. Uh Heath Dumac, Dumac Engineering.
I've been here numerous times over the

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past 30 plus years.
>> This board [clears throat] had accepted

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him as an expert at the last hearing. Is
that still the case? Still moved. Yes.

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» Thank you.
>> Mr. Dumac, please go through the

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variance requests that have been um
asked of tonight's amended or remanded

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application.
>> Sure. Um the first one that

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realistically was just discussed was uh
section 205-25

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to permit accessory uh use as a
religious worship um where uh by right

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it's a principal use in this instance
we're looking for accessory use uh

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section 205-26c
to permit the building area of 28.76%

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uh where 25% is allowed
with the uh pavilion that was demolished

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uh it would have been 32.94%.
[clears throat]

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So we have reduced
uh next section 205.26D

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to permit the imperous surface ratio of
42.44%

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where 35% is allowed. The original
request was for 46.69.

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I'm basically just going through the
memo um as Miss Kirk Mrs. Kirk has uh

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issued um section 205-26E3
to permit the rear yard setback of 18.43

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ft in lie of the 1.41 ft from the
demolished pavilion.

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uh section 205-131
to permit an accessory building setback

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of 0.91 ft instead of the required feet
uh 5T and that's a shed on the uh

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northwest corner of the property. Uh
lastly, section 205-120A1

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and 4 to permit less than otherwise
required off- streetet parking for

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residential and place of worship. uh
required two off streetet for

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residential use um one off streetet for
every 40 square ft of gross floor area

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uh which and plus one for each employee
estimated at 17 parking spaces.

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» Now Mr. Dumac based on the removal of
that second gazebo which was

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approximately what [clears throat] 20 by
20 at the time?

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» Yes ma'am.
>> How has that affected

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» the variance relief being requested
today? The majority of the items have

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all been reduced. Um, some considerably
looking at uh 28% versus 33% for

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building area. Impervious surface going
from uh 46.69 to 42. Um, and the rear

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yard set back from 1.41 ft to now 18.43.
>> And you were present at the last hearing

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in April, correct?
>> Yes, ma'am. And after you heard the

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board's questions with respect to
inspections of that section of the

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addition that had been enclosed, what
did you undertake in order to ascertain

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if permits were received?
>> Uh my office reached out to um codes and

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building permitting. Uh filed a right to
know request and roughly April 24th, we

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received an email from that office with
uh a series of permits. Um and I don't

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know, have you handed it? and I haven't
handed them up. It's a big for

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everybody. I grouped them all together
just to make it easier.

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» Basically, three sets of permits. Uh the
first is from 2014 uh allowing an open

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air pavilion or or uh gazebo. Uh the
next which was from 2017 which was to uh

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enclose the pavilion or gazebo with
walls and windows. And then uh lastly

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the 2018 permits which were for uh
mechanical systems uh HVAC equipment.

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» Now the 2017 permit also allowed for the
installation of windows in that pavilion

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area.
>> Yes ma'am.

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» And in the 2018
uh permit that was provided that dealt

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with also electrical alterations and not
just installation of smoke detectors or

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HVAC or things of that nature.
>> That is correct. Yes.

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» And based on the information that you
have received from the uh township and

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reviewing these permits, what is your
professional opinion as to the

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inspections and safety of that first
edition that was installed?

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» Uh I believe they're uh it's reasonable
and intact. I believe the permits were

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uh fully in process with just basically
final uh CO inspection required.

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» All the finals were done on every permit
>> I believe. So yes. and and we will

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stipulate that I believe we only need to
take care of the sheds.

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» That is correct,
>> which we will do. We wanted to wrap this

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up. The sheds were installed without
permits because Mr. Senator did not

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realize that you had to put up a get a
permit for the sheds, but we will take

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care of that and that can be a condition
of the board's approval if they're so

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inclined. Is there anything else else
Mr. Dumac you would like to submit in

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support of this application?
>> Um, at this time, no. Okay.

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Uh, anybody have any questions for Mr.
Dac

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from the board? [clears throat]

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» No. Done. This Kirk?
>> Uh, the only thing I would like to point

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out is the property is located in the R2
residential district. The section 205-25

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does permit a place of worship as a
matter of right. Um, again, Mr. uh

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senator is simply asking that he be
permitted to entertain a group of people

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to his house on Sundays which for all
purposes they'll be doing worshiping. So

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we wanted to ask for the accessory use
variance from the board.

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» Okay. Thank you.
>> Nothing else.

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» I does anybody else have any questions?
>> Um

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» go ahead.
>> I don't know if it's a question. I just

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want to give my opinion. And I think
what you did with the building around it

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surroundings was wonderful to reduce
everything. That's great. I'm just not

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comfortable with the religious use of
worship permanent there because there

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are tax things that can change in the
neighborhood and I'm just afraid that

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everyone's going to want to be a
religious worship place of worship

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because there's a tax implic implication
that would allow him to reduce his uh

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real estate tax.
>> And if I may,

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» sure. This was not this was filed not as
a result of tax implications, but

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technically it was filed as a result of
a notice of violation because there had

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been a complaint lodged that seeing
people coming to his house on a regular

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basis, it appeared that he was operating
a rental unit without a permit. And

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because of that, we felt it best to come
to the board and ask for permission.

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He's having a group of people over to
his house every Sunday. It's not any

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different than having a group of people
come to your house and sit down for a

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dinner. I understand.
>> I agree with you 100%. I'm not arguing

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that at all.
>> Okay.

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» That's not my concern.
>> And if this board's inclined to say that

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it's for the life of this owner or a
declaration of restriction on the deed

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has to be imposed that it cannot be
extended past Mr. Senator's ownership,

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then we'll accept the um condition
imposed by the board.

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» Okay.
>> Thank you.

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» Thank you. I also noticed that the
street is a tight street. Parking

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[clears throat] look a little tight out
in front of his house. Um, and on

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Sunday, everybody's home. Most people
are home and that's just more traffic

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even though he vans them in, but other
people come. Obviously, neighbors seeing

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it. A lot of traffic going in and out.
That's a little tough on a residential

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area.
>> I think it was mostly walking traffic.

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And he did indicate at the prior
testimony, which I would ask to be

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incorporated into this record, that the
van can park on a driveway at the

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property. So, it doesn't even have to
park on the street. His van will park in

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the driveway. Like he said, most of them
are senior citizens. Most of them don't

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even drive. A lot of them rely on him
going to pick him up and bring him to

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his house or if they are there walking.
>> I mean, I'm all for the worshipping, but

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in the residential areas, you
[clears throat] know, we start setting

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the standard might be a problem.
>> Well, that's why I wanted to point out

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that the code does permit a place of
worship in the R2 district.

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» Okay. Thank you.
>> Okay.

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Anybody else have any questions? Anybody
from the audience like to come up? Okay.

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Um,
[clears throat] please come on up.

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» Let me move my slip out of your way.
Please get sworn in.

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» I do.
>> Stephen M. Lzinski. L Z C Z Y N S K I.

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» Yes.
[clears throat] The last meeting we were

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at, they were talking that there was no
electricity to the garage. There is

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electricity to the garage and there's a
lot of the neighbors

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next to me have a deck higher and they
see a lot of activity all hours of the

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night. So, this is not more than just

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Sundays,
>> right?

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» Okay. Secondly,

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are these permits what they threw in
front of you valid? Did you they go

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through us? you.
>> Mhm.

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» Okay. Because last time there was no
record of any of it and they all

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disappeared.
>> So Okay. So they're valid.

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» They're valid. Yes. Okay. With final
inspections, CEO,

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» it's fine.
>> Yes. So

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» that just as long as it's safe and you
guys all are on board with it. Um the

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traffic, it's a single family dwelling.
They're all single family dwellings and

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this is going multiple people, people
coming and going. And that's about all I

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have to say. is as long as the permits
are valid. [clears throat] It's up to

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you.
>> It's nothing to do with the

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» Excuse me.
>> Are they walking or driving?

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» The people coming
>> both. Best I can tell. I'm not watching

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it. I'm being told by other neighbors
there. I'm talking about in the yard.

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They're going into the garage. It's
supposed to be dark with no electricity.

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That has electricity.
>> Well, they stated that the sheds will be

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taken care of permanent wise. Well,
there's there's a garage with you have a

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house an 800 foot house with an addition
on the back. You have a 800 foot house

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with the addition attached with a
pavilion. The pavilion went to a house.

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You have a garage that has an addition
attached onto it plus your shed. There's

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a lot going on there. There's not enough
property. It's a big yard and it might

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handle it because it's on the outside
pie. But they did take down the other

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pro the other piece which was the big
complaint, the religious thing.

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» The other neighbors on the other street
should be here talking to you about

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that. That's on them,
>> right?

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» They're not noisy. They're not
disturbing anybody.

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» Yeah.
>> But uh that's all I got.

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» Okay.
>> Thank you. All right, man. Come on up.

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» Hello.
>> Hello.

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» Stephanie Matt Singer.
M A T S I N G E R and my husband Brian.

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» Same last name.

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» Yes, we do.
>> Hi. Uh we have been a member of the

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township since uh we moved here back in
August of 2015.

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And uh during that time uh we lived
across the street at at 106 Stephen

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Avenue. Um and uh during that time uh we
have been witnesses to the uh religious

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uh worship that has been going on across
the street and we have no problem with

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anyone exercising their religion. That's
not the issue. Uh but we do want to

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refute some pieces of information that
were uh given last at the previous

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hearing as well as this one in terms of
uh the amount of traffic as well as how

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the amount of traffic is delivered. Uh
the saying that most of the traffic is

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walking or strictly from the van is
inaccurate. Uh the amount of people

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coming via van is very small. Maybe
three to four people at one time that we

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see coming in and out of the van. Most
of the traffic that we have seen coming

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to the church or to the the place of
worship is via additional vehicles

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whether it be car SUV and we've seen
anywhere between I want to say uh 5 to

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10 additional vehicles on the street
from let's say midafter afternoon till 8

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9 10:00 at night on a Sunday. I have
pictures

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» and um as
>> bring them on up.

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» As [clears throat] you attested to
earlier, it's a small street and a lot

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of cars on that street. It it it creates
a bit of a bottleneck going up and down

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that street on a Sunday afternoon like
you said when uh people are are at home.

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» Yes,
>> that's everything I have.

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» Give her a copy.
>> Mr. Chairman, if we can just we'll mark

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these collectively as uh M1 for
Metsinger. If you can provide a copy to

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Miss Kirk so she can see them.
[cough and clears throat]

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» Parking both sides.
>> Unfortunately, because uh the worship uh

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apparently according to uh what was said
earlier has been suspended because of

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the hearing.
>> This is the point.

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» Okay.
>> Okay. Oh, there's also they have they

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have the 26 up there. I've been giving
them throughout the month.

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» Okay. Okay. Up here. Up here. Up here.
>> Okay. The pictures without dates were

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just this last Sunday. The other ones
are the 26th and the other ones are the

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9th of July because once we got the
hearing notice, suddenly there's not so

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many cars.
>> Yeah. We we didn't know that that it was

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suspended as a result. But when there is
normal service, cars are parked,

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multiple cars on both sides of the
street. So it becomes very congested and

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uh it becomes difficult travel up and
down the street even with you know

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everything everyone else being home or
doing something or having other

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gatherings on other houses in that block
whether it be a party or some other

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gathering.
>> The problem is we're it's a two-lane

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road, but when you have a car parked on
both sides, it becomes a one lane road.

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Y
>> and then like someone's got to back up

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so someone else can go down the road.
Like it's

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we're not trying to give them a hard
time. It's just we're worried about

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traffic. Other neighbors said they were
going to come the same.

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» This picture,
>> that picture is where the van uh that

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they use for church services. That's
where it's currently parked. It's been

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parked there for the past month and a
half.

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» No,
>> no, it's not the driveway. It's in the

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street at the end of the block.
>> And that end of the block, there is a

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neighbor that has cars parked there that
are pretty much haven't been moved for a

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while. And if they are moved, they're
kind of moved here and then moved back.

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be more offended by those than I would
be by.

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» As long as they're all covered, right?
>> Yeah, they're all covered. As long as

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it's all legal and all that, that's
fine.

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» As long as cars can get down safely, I
don't really care.

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» It's just when you run into issues is
like like I said, when there's cars on

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each every side, no one can get down
easily.

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» Um other neighbors said they were going
to come to voice their opinion, but

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unfortunately, they didn't make it
either.

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» Yeah. But we at least wanted to voice
our opinion for Stephen Avenue and the

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the issues that we see with granting
them uh a religious worship exemption

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based on the amount of traffic that
comes in in and out of house on a on a

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Sunday.
>> All right.

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» Is that it?
>> That's it. Thank you.

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» Thanks.
>> Anybody else?

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» I don't actually live on that street.
>> You have to come up.

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» Come up. You have to come up.

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Uh, admittedly I don't want to waste
Andrew Lovado.

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» L A V A D O.

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» Yes.
>> Okay. Um, I don't live on the street.

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I'm here for a different purpose. So
long as we're here and the neighbors

423
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:12,320
came to voice their opinion, I just
wanted to share mine while I'm here and

424
00:56:08,639 --> 00:56:15,840
able to give one. um if they were the
neighbors on my street. I live on the

425
00:56:13,679 --> 00:56:22,080
Shammy Road, by the way, and I noticed
that there were visitors coming and a

426
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:26,639
gentleman go in a bus or in a van and
picking up visitors that they can do

427
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:30,480
worship to me as a neighbor, I'd be
happy to see them. That would be a good

428
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:32,159
use of the public street and I would be
friendly with them. That's all I wanted

429
00:56:31,679 --> 00:56:34,639
to share.
>> Thank you.

430
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:37,119
» Thank you.
>> Okay.

431
00:56:36,159 --> 00:56:40,639
» If I may.
>> Sure.

432
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:45,840
» I would just like Mr. Dumac to address
the issue of the allegation of

433
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:48,880
electricity in the garage if you don't
mind. Mr. Dumac, you've been out to the

434
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:51,040
property, correct?
>> Yes, ma'am.

435
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:53,520
» Yeah.
>> And have you inspected the property?

436
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:55,760
» Yes, ma'am.
>> And have you inspected the garage?

437
00:56:55,199 --> 00:56:58,560
» Yes, ma'am.
>> And what type of electricity is in the

438
00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:01,920
garage?
>> There is electricity in the garage

439
00:57:00,159 --> 00:57:06,480
» as to
>> like lights going in and out.

440
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:14,320
» Standard standard uh garage. There is
electricity. There is lights. Um,

441
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:17,401
» uh, it's not a cold storage shell, so to
speak,

442
00:57:15,679 --> 00:57:19,679
» but is it equipped to have hold
[clears throat] large groups of people

443
00:57:18,719 --> 00:57:22,639
for events?
>> No, it's a storage garage. It's a

444
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:26,320
garage.
>> Okay.

445
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:29,679
» Thank you. And we understand neighbors
concerns of traffic, but again, it's

446
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:34,719
like I said, if he decided to have a
dinner with 12 people every Sunday, he'd

447
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:38,000
be well within his rights. We've asked
prefer permission to allow him to

448
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:43,719
continue something. And it's a group of
people coming and what they're doing is

449
00:57:40,159 --> 00:57:43,719
religious worship.

450
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:49,239
» Okay.
Anybody else?

451
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:55,280
» Okay. Bob, anything to add?
>> Nothing to add, Jim.

452
00:57:53,760 --> 00:58:02,440
» Okay.
What's the pleasure of the board?

453
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:02,440
» I need a motion, please.

454
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:10,880
I'm going to make a motion against this
because I don't think the religious

455
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:13,599
worship uh permit should be given.
Everything else seems fine. I have no

456
00:58:12,239 --> 00:58:17,119
problem with someone worshiping. That's
if you want to invite people to your

457
00:58:14,639 --> 00:58:23,880
house, that's great. I just that is my
issue.

458
00:58:19,119 --> 00:58:23,880
» All right. I need a second.

459
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:31,560
» All right.
>> I'll second it. Okay.

460
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:40,880
Okay. Uh, call to board.
>> Mark Demarcus.

461
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:42,800
» No.
>> Gerard Lon.

462
00:58:42,159 --> 00:58:46,040
» Yes.
>> Jim McMahon.

463
00:58:46,239 --> 00:58:52,679
» No.
>> Ed Murphy. Yes.

464
00:58:49,599 --> 00:58:52,679
» All right.

465
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:56,440
So,

466
00:58:56,480 --> 00:59:06,239
» Miss Kirk, as you know, two two vote
status quo uh and then application is

467
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:09,480
and the the request of relief is denied.
>> Thank you.

468
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:21,239
» Okay, let's

469
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:36,520
Andrew
Sherman,

470
00:59:33,119 --> 00:59:36,520
come on up.

471
00:59:40,192 --> 00:59:44,880
[clears throat]
>> Um, might I ask if you don't mind if

472
00:59:43,119 --> 00:59:48,719
before we get started, uh, there are
packets that I gave copies of. I have

473
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:51,599
the same documents, but not organized
the same way. If by any chance you have

474
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:56,000
an extra copy of them, I could refer to
the same pages if if necessary.

475
00:59:54,639 --> 00:59:58,239
» The copies were provided to you guys.
That's

476
00:59:56,400 --> 01:00:02,520
» We have copies. I don't have an extra
one.

477
00:59:58,639 --> 01:00:02,520
» Okay. Sorry.

478
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:08,159
» I do.
>> You do you need a copy, Andrew?

479
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:10,639
» If if you have one,
>> you can use it.

480
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:15,440
» I appreciate it.
>> You had stated a a different last name.

481
01:00:13,599 --> 01:00:20,480
» Lovado Sherman is my official last name.
>> Perfect. Okay. Thank you.

482
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:24,960
» Mr. Lato, do you have uh proof of your
uh notice to your neighbors and proof of

483
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:28,760
posting of the property?
>> May,

484
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:28,760
» please.

485
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:54,880
Mr. Lovado, you're uh previously sworn
you're still under oath. Uh you handed

486
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:58,320
me a couple documents. Uh the first set
is the neighbor notifications. You had

487
01:00:56,639 --> 01:00:59,840
your neighbor sign the forms provided to
you by the township?

488
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:01,599
» Correct.
>> All right. And there was four of them,

489
01:01:01,119 --> 01:01:05,760
» correct?
>> Okay. And then you also handed me uh two

490
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:09,760
colored photographs showing that the
property was posted. And you I think you

491
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:11,840
advised the property was posted July
27th.

492
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:13,360
» Correct. And that placard has remained
up for a period of two weeks.

493
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:17,520
» Correct.
>> Thank you.

494
01:01:16,159 --> 01:01:24,000
» Good.
>> Okay. Um

495
01:01:21,599 --> 01:01:30,960
I am here because I purchased this
property uh I'm not looking exactly off

496
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:37,440
off date. Uh 2020 2021. Uh, and I'm
seeing now that I purchased it already

497
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:42,159
constructed as a multif family duplex.
Uh, zoned as single family residential

498
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:46,080
and and I I wasn't aware of any of the
legal things of that. I haven't rented

499
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:52,480
it out. Uh, friend of the family has
been living upstairs with me. So, um,

500
01:01:49,679 --> 01:01:57,280
I'm very recently divorced now and
facing financial hardship and I am

501
01:01:54,320 --> 01:02:02,800
looking to now rent out the other unit.
Um, so

502
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:05,520
I I don't have any of uh you know the
permits or the building plans or

503
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:14,719
anything like that because it was
already constructed. I believe uh in

504
01:02:08,639 --> 01:02:20,239
2024 the home the address is now uh able
to be zoned duplex or multif family and

505
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:23,239
I believe it meets the requirements. It
has

506
01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:33,679
and as you can see from the pictures it
is completely constructed and uh ready

507
01:02:29,199 --> 01:02:38,000
for somebody to safely use. Um so there
is one requirement of the multif family

508
01:02:36,159 --> 01:02:43,679
that this property does not meet and
that is the four parking spaces two for

509
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:53,440
each unit. So I'm requesting a variance
for that requirement. If you can go to

510
01:02:47,679 --> 01:03:03,000
two, three, four, five, six, seven,
eight, nine, 10, the 12.

511
01:02:59,119 --> 01:03:03,000
Sorry, there's a lot of pages.

512
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:10,239
After all the images, it looks like
somewhere like the 18th.

513
01:03:08,239 --> 01:03:15,920
Yeah, after the images, the first set of
images, there's a police crash report.

514
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:21,280
That police crash report is from June
2nd of 2024.

515
01:03:18,639 --> 01:03:26,960
And there is after the police crash
report, there are images demonstrating

516
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:33,280
where the incident took place
and out of order.

517
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:38,400
Sorry about that. Two pages before the
police crash report, uh there's actually

518
01:03:35,599 --> 01:03:41,360
a photo of the car that hit the f that
went down. It it I'm sorry. I'm going to

519
01:03:40,239 --> 01:03:44,560
start from the beginning of that
incident.

520
01:03:42,639 --> 01:03:49,599
on
Belmont A. A car went through a stop

521
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:54,639
sign
in into the property of my next door

522
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:58,239
neighbor, ricocheted into the next
property, went through the fence, and I

523
01:03:56,880 --> 01:04:03,679
believe into the house. There is a
picture of that. And

524
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:08,639
the next door neighbor where that car
went down into the driveway has I I

525
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:12,800
can't say exactly maybe like a 40 50
foot drop and it goes downhill into the

526
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:16,800
property. My neighbor there's a picture
of me talking to him right there. He

527
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:21,760
said my my wife usually sleeps at the
front of that and she could have easily

528
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:28,320
gotten hit. Um, my property is only like
a 15- ft drop until the property uh

529
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:33,280
until the house passes the curb or I
should say where where the cement of the

530
01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:37,760
parking spot is. And I believe that if
there were a parking spot there and

531
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:43,040
somebody were to go through the stop
sign, it would be pretty

532
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:47,360
possible that the car would go right
into the front of the house. And I

533
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:51,320
believe that by constructing and you can
see it in uh

534
01:04:51,599 --> 01:05:00,159
sorry which there there's I I'll I'll
let you know which page. Yes. So the fir

535
01:04:57,520 --> 01:05:05,360
the very page before all of the pictures
is demonstrating that if I were to

536
01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:09,760
construct parking spots right there and
where Belmont is, it's the most

537
01:05:07,199 --> 01:05:14,239
vulnerable for going into the house. So,
I believe that if I were to construct

538
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:18,400
two parking spots right there, they
would be acting as a ramp and then going

539
01:05:16,719 --> 01:05:25,040
right into the house. And I think it's
really dangerous. Uh, and that is my

540
01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:29,440
reason for asking for a variance for the
only requirement out of making it a

541
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:33,560
multif family just to not construct two
additional parking spaces.

542
01:05:46,239 --> 01:05:50,560
So, I'm assuming you don't have space
for two extra parking spaces. Is that

543
01:05:49,679 --> 01:05:56,000
what you're telling us?
>> No.

544
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:59,280
» Um, that is So, there is one space. So,
I I own a motorcycle, too. Right now,

545
01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:03,679
it's the only vehicle. Well, I have a
car and a motorcycle. And I usually park

546
01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:08,480
right where that barrier is. There's a
bush and a fence right there and that's

547
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:15,199
where I posted the u the sign for this
meeting. Uh it acts as a barrier and I

548
01:06:12,719 --> 01:06:19,840
think that when a car is parked there
parallel to the street now it is on the

549
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:23,280
sidewalk but it's you know it's safely
parked in the house. I think that that

550
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:25,920
is an extra measure of security and I
think it's great when a car is parked

551
01:06:24,719 --> 01:06:28,880
there. It makes me feel secure. I
usually park an SUV there when I can.

552
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:34,800
» Not what I asked you.
>> Okay. I'm sorry.

553
01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:36,719
There any room for additional spots on
your property?

554
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:38,400
» So
>> So you got two now,

555
01:06:38,079 --> 01:06:43,280
» correct?
>> Is there is there enough for three? Is

556
01:06:41,199 --> 01:06:47,440
there enough for four or just two?
>> No. Right. The way that the property is,

557
01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:52,560
there is no space for to the only
possibility that I see unless I were to

558
01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:56,960
pave a driveway beyond like where
there's sewage right above and there's

559
01:06:54,800 --> 01:07:02,920
already a walkway. It's it's really not
possible. And if I did construct that,

560
01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:02,920
it would only be one more spot.

561
01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:09,599
» Three is better. Three is better than
two,

562
01:07:07,599 --> 01:07:14,079
» but it would also be back to front and
it would cause traffic and I don't think

563
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:18,719
that
>> it physically could work. There's just

564
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:22,480
physically space. It's an extreme
downhill and there and I would have to

565
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:26,239
get rid of one of the spots to create
that.

566
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:30,920
» Ain't going to work.
>> Okay.

567
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:30,920
All right.

568
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:36,719
» Anybody from the board? Are you
>> I do struggle with the uh street parking

569
01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:39,360
because of snow removal.
>> Mhm.

570
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:44,079
» The sweeper that comes down the street.
Um big trash trucks come down, cars out

571
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:46,639
in the street. It is a problem. I mean,
I plow snow a lot on the streets and

572
01:07:45,840 --> 01:07:48,320
it's a problem.
>> I understand.

573
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:50,800
» And you're not going to be able to move
those cars on the front yard or

574
01:07:49,679 --> 01:07:54,400
anywhere, right?
>> So, that's a problem. And if you have

575
01:07:52,639 --> 01:07:58,960
two more parking spots and say a friend
comes over, another friend comes over,

576
01:07:56,880 --> 01:08:03,040
» I your place is tight. I mean, where you
are is ridiculously tight. You're on top

577
01:08:00,639 --> 01:08:06,960
of your neighbors. Um there's like no
park in there.

578
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:12,079
» There's a very active road too,
>> right? I Belmont A. Uh I spoke with this

579
01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:15,840
I, you know, I have this conversation
also with my neighbors and especially

580
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:20,719
the neighbor right in front of me that
has the corner spot on Belmont and

581
01:08:18,159 --> 01:08:23,599
Namin. Uh I spoke with them. I had a
nice conversation. He said, "Please,

582
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:25,920
what I don't like is that, you know,
they're parking on the grass right in

583
01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:30,639
front of me." And I said, "Great. We're
going to work with that." And he

584
01:08:27,199 --> 01:08:35,040
suggested that on Belmont there's this
the parking is, you know, it's not in

585
01:08:32,639 --> 01:08:38,960
front of the the main traffic of N.
>> Yeah, that's a lot of traffic there.

586
01:08:36,320 --> 01:08:41,440
» Yeah.
Okay.

587
01:08:39,679 --> 01:08:46,079
» But you really need to control it on
your property, not around a corner.

588
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:49,119
» Right.
Um, I will say too the

589
01:08:47,679 --> 01:08:51,360
» let's be honest, street parking in this
township is a big

590
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:54,560
» that's a problem.
>> It's a problem, right?

591
01:08:52,480 --> 01:08:57,920
» All right. So,
let's take take that at face value here.

592
01:08:57,199 --> 01:09:02,400
Um,
>> but all right. Is that all you have?

593
01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:07,360
» Um, I just wanted to say the upstairs
unit is a onebedroom. So, I agree it's

594
01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:10,960
two spots per unit, but most likely it
might only be one vehicle.

595
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:15,199
» All right.
Anybody from the uh board have any

596
01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:18,239
questions? I have a question for Bob.
So, it's single family right now. It's

597
01:09:17,119 --> 01:09:20,639
not a duplex.
>> It was a single family home that was

598
01:09:19,599 --> 01:09:23,360
illegally converted.
>> Illegally converted

599
01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:27,800
» and he purchased it from that person.
>> Correct. [clears throat]

600
01:09:24,239 --> 01:09:27,800
» Okay. Thank you.

601
01:09:30,320 --> 01:09:34,760
» Anybody else in the board?

602
01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:38,520
Anybody from the audience?

603
01:09:39,599 --> 01:09:45,320
Okay.
I need a motion from the board.

604
01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:57,280
» I'll make a motion that we do not
approve. I need a second.

605
01:09:56,400 --> 01:09:59,520
» I'll second.
>> Call to board.

606
01:09:58,400 --> 01:10:01,360
» John Lyon,
>> yes.

607
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:03,440
» Mark Demarcus,
>> yes.

608
01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:06,159
» Jim McMahon,
>> no.

609
01:10:04,239 --> 01:10:13,040
» Ed Murphy, yes.
>> All right, Mr. Sherman, sorry.

610
01:10:08,719 --> 01:10:18,159
» Okay. Uh, might I just clarify? Um, does
this mean that the potential for it to

611
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:22,880
be zoned to multif family is still on
the table if I comply with creating the

612
01:10:20,159 --> 01:10:28,320
two spots?
>> As of right now, your A6 residential

613
01:10:25,119 --> 01:10:33,199
conversion for the duplex is denied.
>> Okay. Does that mean I can apply and

614
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:36,880
come and do that?
>> I I don't think I can give him advice on

615
01:10:36,480 --> 01:10:40,320
» Okay.
>> Yeah. I I mean consult with an attorney,

616
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:44,760
» okay,
>> is my best advice for you.

617
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:44,760
» Okay.

618
01:10:47,199 --> 01:10:53,480
» All right.
>> Thank you,

619
01:10:50,480 --> 01:10:53,480
» John.

620
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:25,960
Why do you come? Because I'm not good at
turning. So if you stand behind me, it's

621
01:11:21,599 --> 01:11:25,960
not. Thank you.

622
01:11:32,239 --> 01:11:37,719
put me in presentation mode there. Thank
you.

623
01:11:38,079 --> 01:11:41,719
» Perfect. Thank you.

624
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:45,920
» Okay.
>> Good evening. Chelsea Jackman from

625
01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:51,199
Begley Carlin Mandio here tonight on
behalf of John Tan to my left. Uh Mr.

626
01:11:48,639 --> 01:11:55,920
Biddlinger just provided you with the uh
notice for tonight's hearing. I believe

627
01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:59,040
it was posted on uh July 24th, 2026.
Yes, noses are satisfactory. This matter

628
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:04,000
can proceed.
>> Thank you very much. Uh so we're here

629
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:08,159
tonight uh many of the board members uh
might remember that we were here in June

630
01:12:06,239 --> 01:12:13,520
uh and we're seeking a variance for
impervious surface coverage. It was uh

631
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:18,079
practically speaking denied at a 2-2
vote. Uh so went back to the drawing

632
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:22,480
board. Mr. Tin revised his proposed
plan. Uh but some some of the salient

633
01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:28,840
facts to include that this is 56
Orangewood Lane, excuse me, Drive. uh

634
01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:28,840
tax parcel number 050042-00001

635
01:12:29,440 --> 01:12:40,239
in the R3 residential district and it is
0.167 acres. Uh and uh we are seeking a

636
01:12:37,199 --> 01:12:44,400
variance from section 205-29D
to allow impervious service coverage of

637
01:12:42,639 --> 01:12:48,639
55.86%
where 40 is the maximum uh permitted

638
01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:53,920
under the ordinance. When Mr. Talin
purchased the home uh he purchased it uh

639
01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:59,760
with existing 52.13%.
Uh so at that hearing in June, we pro

640
01:12:56,719 --> 01:13:05,920
presented evidence uh that after John
purchased the property, he added uh 558

641
01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:10,000
square ft of driveway and PA walkway to
his home together with additional tree

642
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:14,679
removal and sidewalk replacement. Bob,
can I use this to go next or do you have

643
01:13:11,440 --> 01:13:14,679
to do it?

644
01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:22,719
» Nope.
That help? No, it's not. It's not. Let's

645
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:28,159
see if it works. Hold on. Cool. Thank
you. Uh so

646
01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:33,440
generally speaking, the property looks a
lot better than it did when Mr. uh Tin

647
01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:39,440
purchased it. I think that is a a
generally accepted fact. Uh

648
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:43,119
however, um
one of the issues from the last hearing

649
01:13:41,599 --> 01:13:46,639
was that there were concerns about
whether or not he got confirmation. Miss

650
01:13:45,199 --> 01:13:51,040
Dunn's not here, but I believe that was
one of her concerns. Did he get did he

651
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:54,320
get the proper uh confirmation from the
water authority that his work wouldn't

652
01:13:52,639 --> 01:13:58,800
interfere with the existing
infrastructure and the easement on the

653
01:13:56,000 --> 01:14:03,599
property? Since June, Mr. Tin uh
actually prior to that confirming he did

654
01:14:01,679 --> 01:14:09,199
in fact get that and ensure that there
was no issue with what the with the work

655
01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:12,480
that he had done. Uh so today, Mr. Tin,
so actually we'll start with this.

656
01:14:10,639 --> 01:14:15,840
Here's what it looked like uh when he
purchased the property. Currently, this

657
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:20,560
is what it looks like. So you can see
here he added this uh walkway here as

658
01:14:18,239 --> 01:14:24,880
well as back towards here. Um and that
was already existing. And what he's

659
01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:28,159
seeking now is again a proposed he's
proposing impervious surface coverage

660
01:14:26,719 --> 01:14:34,239
higher than what's allowed more than
what he purchased but he is seeking to

661
01:14:30,239 --> 01:14:39,119
remove this area right here in red.
Uh so uh additionally when we were

662
01:14:37,440 --> 01:14:42,320
discussing some of the improvements the
last time that John had made on the

663
01:14:40,480 --> 01:14:46,719
property after he purchased it, it
included the fact that he uh uh got a

664
01:14:45,199 --> 01:14:50,719
fence. There were some questions as to
whether or not he got a permit. He did

665
01:14:48,639 --> 01:14:54,719
uh get a permit for that and he wanted
to replace deteriorating sidewalk. He

666
01:14:52,639 --> 01:14:58,800
did also get a permit for that. So to
the extent that you're looking at his

667
01:14:56,639 --> 01:15:03,840
intent behind all of this, he sought two
of the permits he needed to get three.

668
01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:09,119
denied the last hearing. We understand
he came back and said I am still asking

669
01:15:06,639 --> 01:15:13,679
for uh some a variance on this matter
but far less than what I was in June. Uh

670
01:15:12,480 --> 01:15:19,920
let's see what else I wanted to talk
about here. So uh again he's uh we were

671
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:24,560
asking for approval to maintain 558
square feet of imperous surface which

672
01:15:21,599 --> 01:15:29,520
was an extra 7.74%
and now we're seeking 3.74%

673
01:15:27,440 --> 01:15:35,840
based on what Mr. Tan's proposing to
remove from his property. Uh so allowing

674
01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:38,880
this uh variance will serve as the
middle ground of him receiving the

675
01:15:37,599 --> 01:15:43,040
benefit of the improvements that he
candidly put in without a permit uh

676
01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:48,079
while minimizing the impact from a
zoning standpoint. Uh it would allow him

677
01:15:45,280 --> 01:15:53,119
to generally uh maintain the aesthetic
improvement uh of the property. Uh and

678
01:15:51,199 --> 01:15:57,280
just prior to today's hearing, I uh
spoke with John just about sort of the

679
01:15:55,520 --> 01:16:00,639
the if he's had any communication with
the neighbors, and he said they think

680
01:15:58,400 --> 01:16:05,199
the property looks really nice. uh
there's no detrimental impact to the

681
01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:08,400
neighborhood and uh the improvements
will allow John, his three children, his

682
01:16:07,119 --> 01:16:13,520
family to continue using the
improvements uh that he uh that he put

683
01:16:11,440 --> 01:16:17,360
on right after he moved in. So I have
John here with me tonight and everything

684
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:20,800
pretty much the same as the last time we
were here. Again, just reducing what's

685
01:16:19,119 --> 01:16:24,880
being requested with a little bit more
confirmation that he did seek out that

686
01:16:22,719 --> 01:16:28,320
he did seek and obtain certain permits
and get confirmation um from various

687
01:16:27,119 --> 01:16:32,000
authorities with regards to the
easement. So, if that's okay, I'm just

688
01:16:30,079 --> 01:16:35,599
going to have John uh get sworn and I'll
call for him.

689
01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:38,719
» Do you swear affirm
the truth?

690
01:16:37,519 --> 01:16:41,840
» I do.
>> Okay, John, lean right into the

691
01:16:40,080 --> 01:16:43,760
microphone there. Uh, you heard my
statements to the board this evening,

692
01:16:43,200 --> 01:16:45,840
correct?
>> Yes.

693
01:16:44,399 --> 01:16:47,200
» And are they true and correct to the
best of your knowledge?

694
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:50,960
» Yes.
>> Is there anything that I said that you

695
01:16:48,639 --> 01:16:53,519
want to clarify or add to or change?
>> No.

696
01:16:51,519 --> 01:16:57,040
» Are you willing to adopt my statements
uh as if it was your testimony to the

697
01:16:55,280 --> 01:17:00,639
board this evening?
>> Yes. And are you willing to answer any

698
01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:03,840
of the questions the board might have?
>> Yes.

699
01:17:01,040 --> 01:17:06,479
» And accept any reasonable conditions uh
that would uh go along with any approval

700
01:17:05,679 --> 01:17:10,000
they might give?
>> Yes.

701
01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:13,800
» That's all we have. Open to questions.
>> Anybody have any questions?

702
01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:18,120
» Sure.
>> No, I'm good.

703
01:17:19,040 --> 01:17:24,599
» Nothing to add.
>> Anybody from the audience?

704
01:17:26,399 --> 01:17:30,080
I'll give a motion for it.
>> I'll second.

705
01:17:29,040 --> 01:17:31,040
» Call the board.
>> Lyon,

706
01:17:30,559 --> 01:17:33,200
» yes.
>> Mark Demarcus,

707
01:17:32,639 --> 01:17:34,399
» yes.
>> Jim McMahon,

708
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:37,200
» yes.
>> Ed Murphy, yes. Good luck, buddy.

709
01:17:36,240 --> 01:17:39,200
» Thank you very much.
>> Thank you.

710
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:42,359
» That looks great.
>> Thank you.

711
01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:55,200
» All right.
Sebad SDA Patel.

712
01:17:52,160 --> 01:17:59,200
» Yes. 34 Rainbow Lane, Levittown, please
come on up.

713
01:17:57,280 --> 01:18:04,760
» I would like to get an approval for the
Bard and the gaming store that would

714
01:18:01,599 --> 01:18:04,760
like to

715
01:18:07,439 --> 01:18:11,760
» I
can you bring up the notices to your uh

716
01:18:11,200 --> 01:18:16,240
neighbors?
>> Yes.

717
01:18:14,479 --> 01:18:20,080
» Okay.
>> More than four.

718
01:18:19,040 --> 01:18:23,040
» Okay. I'm going to ask you some
questions about these.

719
01:18:21,359 --> 01:18:26,359
» Okay. No, when you take when you can get
back to the podium

720
01:18:27,679 --> 01:18:31,760
» and your name for the record.
>> S the Catal.

721
01:18:30,240 --> 01:18:36,479
» All right. Uh, Miss Catel, uh, you hand
me documents. Uh, one set is the

722
01:18:34,639 --> 01:18:38,160
neighbor notifications uh, that the
township gave you. Is that correct?

723
01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:39,760
» Correct.
>> And you had the neighbors sign these

724
01:18:39,359 --> 01:18:41,599
forms.
>> Yes.

725
01:18:40,160 --> 01:18:46,399
» All right. And then you also handed me a
second set of documents uh, showing that

726
01:18:44,479 --> 01:18:47,120
the property was posted as required. Is
that right?

727
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:50,719
» Yes.
>> Do you know the date that that this was

728
01:18:48,719 --> 01:18:54,719
posted? Same date that I got it on the
July 24th, I believe. Same day.

729
01:18:53,040 --> 01:18:55,679
» And has it rem remained up for a period
of two weeks?

730
01:18:55,359 --> 01:18:59,760
» Yes.
>> Thank you.

731
01:18:57,840 --> 01:19:04,000
» Okay, you can proceed.
>> I would like to open up a bard salon

732
01:19:01,519 --> 01:19:09,920
over there with like a pimples machines.
>> It's a pool tables like a gaming salon.

733
01:19:08,719 --> 01:19:11,359
» Billiard Hall, right?
>> H

734
01:19:10,240 --> 01:19:14,359
» a billiard hall.
>> Yes,

735
01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:23,679
» that's it. That's it. [laughter]
I have two stores there already. One of

736
01:19:22,319 --> 01:19:27,920
them it's a restaurant and another one
is a coffee shop. Two store down. So my

737
01:19:26,639 --> 01:19:32,960
customers that comes there and they
waiting for their foods and it was an

738
01:19:30,319 --> 01:19:37,546
empty store.
I figured, you know, no alcohol, no

739
01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:40,000
smoke in there.
[clears throat]

740
01:19:38,240 --> 01:19:45,920
» How many pool tables?
>> I'm planning to put two pool tables and

741
01:19:42,719 --> 01:19:50,240
pin pinballs machines. Pinball
>> pinball machines there and some um

742
01:19:48,559 --> 01:19:52,640
change machines.
>> Some what?

743
01:19:50,960 --> 01:19:54,479
» Change machines for the
>> change.

744
01:19:53,280 --> 01:19:56,479
» Yes.
>> No gambling machines.

745
01:19:56,000 --> 01:20:00,240
» No.
>> Okay.

746
01:19:58,319 --> 01:20:04,800
» What would the hours be?
>> Well, my restaurant is 10 to 10. It's

747
01:20:02,240 --> 01:20:09,240
going to be like from 12 to 9.
>> From 12

748
01:20:05,680 --> 01:20:09,240
» to 9:00 p.m.

749
01:20:12,479 --> 01:20:15,840
» Anybody else?

750
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:26,560
Go ahead.
>> I'm just just curious about are there

751
01:20:22,960 --> 01:20:28,800
parking issues with I mean is it
>> No parking issues to our knowledge.

752
01:20:28,240 --> 01:20:32,240
Okay.
>> Yeah. Um the township does have a

753
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:36,479
standalone ordinance for billiard halls.
Um it's pretty stringent process. The

754
01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:41,200
owner has to pass a background check and
there's the whole laundry list of items

755
01:20:38,319 --> 01:20:44,560
they have to pass to obtain the license.
>> So she obtains this variance. She's got

756
01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:47,760
a long road.
>> Correct.

757
01:20:45,520 --> 01:20:50,560
» Okay, fair enough.
>> Certain hours of operation, Monday

758
01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:55,040
through [clears throat] Fridays, 8 to
12, and then Saturday has its own. Um,

759
01:20:53,040 --> 01:20:57,920
but yeah, it's a it's a laundry list of
items that she would have to go through.

760
01:20:56,880 --> 01:21:00,479
» Fair enough.
>> Okay. [clears throat]

761
01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:03,600
» Which about which store would it be?
Like the old Caesars?

762
01:21:02,240 --> 01:21:05,920
» I think it was a dry cleaner.
>> Oh, dry cleaners. It's in the middle.

763
01:21:05,200 --> 01:21:09,760
Yeah.
>> Right next to the pharmacy. Not I'm the

764
01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:14,720
dry clean. I took the dry clean as a
>> restaurant. That's right. Yeah. So, it's

765
01:21:11,439 --> 01:21:14,720
in the middle of the shopping center.

766
01:21:15,280 --> 01:21:21,200
Gerard,
>> I'm good.

767
01:21:18,399 --> 01:21:24,880
» Okay. Anybody from the audience like to
come up?

768
01:21:22,800 --> 01:21:28,720
» All right.
Give me a motion, please.

769
01:21:27,040 --> 01:21:31,280
» I'll give a motion for it.
>> I'll second

770
01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:33,120
board.
>> Rod Lyon.

771
01:21:32,240 --> 01:21:35,200
» Yes. Yes.
>> Mark Demarcus.

772
01:21:34,319 --> 01:21:37,040
» Yes.
>> Jim McMahon.

773
01:21:36,479 --> 01:21:40,560
» Yes.
>> Ed Murphy. Yes. Good luck.

774
01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:44,560
» Good luck.
>> Thank you.

775
01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:47,439
» Congratulations. Thanks.
>> I need a motion to adjurnn, please.

776
01:21:46,399 --> 01:21:48,960
» I'll make that motion.
>> Second.

777
01:21:48,479 --> 01:21:54,000
» Second.
>> All in favor?

778
01:21:50,399 --> 01:21:57,479
» Those opposed? Eyes have it.
Meetings adjourned.

779
01:22:07,040 --> 01:22:14,840
» I I have a question. Wasn't there um
weren't they going to talk about the

780
01:22:11,280 --> 01:22:14,840
hotel and