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the whole sle.

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» Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> All right. So,

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we have our form. We do.
>> Hey,

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» all right.
Meeting will come to order. This is the

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September 8th, 2026 meeting of the
Bristol Development Review Board. Uh

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there any changes or adjustments to the
agenda?

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» Uh I just have a minor one. I have a I
have a I have a typo. Uh it's permit 26

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402, not 403
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» Okay.
>> Item 3A.

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» Yeah. All right. Good.
>> And that's any other

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issues with the agenda? Okay. Seeing
none, we'll move on. Uh, old business.

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First up is permit number 26-402.
Daniel Marian Boyd, Lower Notch Road,

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parcel number 060280.21,

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requesting final plat review subdivision
subject to the Bristol UDR section 930-

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939.
All right. Who's wait who's here for the

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applicant?
>> Dan.

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» No.
>> Hello. There has been a present. Should

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be presentation.
>> Me.

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» Okay. Raise your right hand please. You
solemnly swear affirm that

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development review board should be the
truth. The whole truth nothing but the

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truth.
>> I do.

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» Thank you. Okay. So,
um, geez, how long ago did we see this

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first sketch?
Uh while

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» 6 weeks ago or a couple months
>> April 28th

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» was it?
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» I wasn't
>> No before then.

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» No
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» okay. So not as long as I thought
>> I can get back to I told

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» So we have a we have a two lot
subdivision.

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Uh you're carving out the back two
acres. What's what uh

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what district are we in AC? Uh, it's two
districts, but majority majority of it

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is in RA2. And there's a little I see
this little corner there.

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» Yep. Road.
>> So, most of it's RA2,

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» right?
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in RA2, the minimum lot size
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acres. Lot two, two acres.
existing house on lot one off the Lord

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to the existing drive.
Uh we've got a drilled well on lot one.

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» No, no water source yet on lot two.
Right.

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» Correct.
>> So you're not sharing a well on lot one?

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» No.
>> Okay.

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» And it's going to be an undeveloped
water as long as I know.

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» Okay. And and so septic is a s you got
onsite septic that serves the house a

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lot more.
>> Yes.

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» Yeah. and and nothing uh no test kits or
anything yet. I want to

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so if it were to be developed someday,
you're going to have to have the water

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sources with a permit over there.
>> Someone will have to

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» Someone will have to. Um

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then you've got fronted on Carlston Road
for lot two. What's the status with the

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curb cut approved? Okay. So select board
approved the curb cut. Uh you have a

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date card.

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The date was of

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uh July 13.

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And is will the select for approved for
the circus that shown on the plan here?

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» Y okay.

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» And this says the plan is that we're
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dated August 10,
2026.

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Round the rose.

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So the legend for our signature looks
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We have some up in the upper left.
>> Yeah. The other thing I would say is

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that it just says xxx.
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least it's it's
um we've been having some variation in

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what we're seeing there. Okay. Any
questions from

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» the board?
>> I don't

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think we had many to begin with. All
pretty straight. Just the access.

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» Yep.
All right. Seeing none, uh I'll move

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that we approve uh this two lot
subdivision as set forth on the August

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10, 2026 plat um prepared by Ron La
Rose.

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» Second.
>> All right. All those in favor?

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» Brenda is a yes as well. Okay,
you're good.

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» All right.
>> We'll get a we'll get a decision out.

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Yeah.
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it's very

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happen. So
>> and within 180 days from today, you need

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to have the final myar recorded in the L
records.

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» Okay.
>> Yes. So I I can get the myar any time

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now
and I can in 30 days I can get it in

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there
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» Yeah, I'm asking 30 because I had to
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» I mean you could submit it tomorrow.
It's within

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» I thought I had to wait for the 30 days.
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permit is final. Um, so you can you can
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We have to meet
at a future meeting. We'll look at the

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plaque, the myar,
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» To make sure that it conforms with what
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» Yeah.
>> Then I sign it. The board a and I sign

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it and then it gets recorded.
>> And that's what gets submitted though,

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right? Or or I can submit beforehand and
they'll give you the

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» beautiful. Yeah. So, that'll happen at a
future meeting.

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» Yep.
>> You know, as long as it's 180 days is

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the dead you got. So, as long as you're
in front of that, you're okay.

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» Yes.
>> Yeah. Like you could again, you could

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submit it to the clerk tomorrow
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I will just note that you want to have
those X's in front of the

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» these X's to Yeah,
>> this is on the signature. It should have

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what the number
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» approved by the resolution of the
Bristol board. He does this for various

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towns, but it needs to say
>> needs to say Bristol and and then we're

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good. Everything else looks fine.
>> Now, is it the myar and three copies or

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is it just the myar?
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» Just says three copies alone.
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» Okay.
>> There's some paper. We don't need to cut

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down that many trees.
>> Great.

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All right.
>> Thank you very much.

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» You're welcome. Next item on the agenda,
continuation of permit number 26-302.

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Uh Ronald, Joanne, Brian, and Kevin
Hill, Mon Road, parcel number 030163.12,

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requesting conditional use for review
for the construction of farmworker

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housing subject to
ER regulations

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508.
Um,

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who's here for the elephant?
>> I have shed an elephant.

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» Why not? Makes it easy. I sat here.

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» Well,
now you're now you're invited.

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» You're just premature.
>> All right. So, can you raise your right

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hand, please?
>> Sure. Do you have do you solemnly swear

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or affirm that the evidence you shall
give before this development review

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board should be the truth? The whole
truth nothing but the truth.

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» I do.
>> Thank you. All right. Tell us tell me

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your name again.
>> Uh I'll spell it first cuz AJ

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N I N's
Hill obviously that's you don't know.

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» Okay. So you want to uh walk us through
uh the proposal please?

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» Um well of course I build it permit. Um,
so we're just putting up essentially

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just a double wide trailer. Um, that
will be set up to take care of what

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really is becoming a much bigger growing
beef herd.

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» Let's uh hold on. I'm pulling up. Let's
wait for Daisy to get it up on the

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screen. It's a one.
>> Yes, it is.

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Let's one I have loses some of its
um integrity. If you scan it, it gets

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fuzzy.
>> Yeah. So about all those little lines.

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» And this is all the contour lines
screwed up.

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» Yep. They just get a little wonky and
hard to read.

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» All right.
Okay.

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So what are we in? Are we in R5? R. Yes.

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So in RA5
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farm worker housing. Don't ask me why.
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» FBI
just this came in and I were talking

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about it. But I said it's conditional
use really. And apparently at least in I

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don't know if it shows up in the other
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anyway it's a conditional use. Um seems
kind of funny to me and it may be

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something that the PC planning
commission deals with down the road.

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Sometimes these things get picked up
from other places and just repeated and

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nobody really focuses you know. So
probably change. Yeah. This is the first

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I've been I've been on this board
forever and uh never had. No, never

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ever. So, and I don't know what it used
to say in our ranks before this version.

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I don't know if that's new or it's been
there lurking forever, but but here we

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are.
>> So, uh

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» your your your property's out on what
road are we off here? We Mon Road.

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» Monton Road. Yeah.
>> So, this is my driveway.

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» Yeah. And then
>> Monton Road's over here.

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» It's over here. Yes.
>> Yeah. Yeah. So you're on the east side

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of the room.
>> This is my house. That's the barn.

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» Yeah.
>> And then the double wid's going roughly

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here. It is. We are angling it to match
this house cuz that's a aesthetic thing.

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» Yeah. Yep. Sure.
>> If I have to look at it, it can't be I

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don't know that on angle.
>> So it is be slightly turned and then

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everything else is really what they drew
for the water.

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» What's the story for your What's the
current status for your waste water?

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» And we have the permit.
>> You got the permit and and you're

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drilling a well for it or is it going to
share a well? No, everything's going to

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come off our house. The water, the
power. We're just We're just attaching

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it.
>> And so So it's a it's a threebedroom

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single family residence.
>> It's a Yes. It's a It's manufactured. We

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were guessing somewhere between 1990 and
2000.

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» Yeah. But it's one family.
>> One family.

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» Okay. I don't know why I was thinking,
>> but that threebedroom usage comes off

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your system.
>> No, that's No, it gets its own septic.

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» Oh, okay. All right. We tried. Hey, how
many bedrooms you're in there? Okay. All

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right.
>> We tried that. We didn't get that zone.

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We already had that permit. We knew we
we knew we weren't going to be able to

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figure out a capacity.
>> Okay.

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» In our own.
>> And that's why there's a isolation zone

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around. This is your
>> There's a well. Yes, that's a well

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there.
>> That's your Is that the well for your

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house or is that okay?
>> We use it for there. Um it actually goes

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both directions. It goes from here
actually goes back across the road to my

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sister-in-law's house as back up.
>> And so it's going to feed this new house

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as well. The well is
>> Yes. But it's going to come through my

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house first.
>> Okay.

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So, you've got a wastewater permit to
put this house.

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I'm sorry.
>> Yes.

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» A water supply permit to have this house
coming off of this well?

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» No, I I did not. We literally We
literally done a conduit from here to

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there. Okay.
>> One for the water, one for the I mean,

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if it I guess if this is okay to feed my
house, why wouldn't it be okay to feed

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that?
>> Well, it's

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» you're going to want to check.
>> I mean, the water's been tested. I mean,

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I know, but I'm not sure that it is. I
mean, that well only gives so much

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water.
>> Yeah.

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» Like 40 pounds.
>> Yeah. But I mean, that's that's still a

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state permit.
>> But when you Yeah. What if

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» Well, we had a state permit to get the
well put in originally, right?

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» But but now, Right. So, you need to look
at the new wastewater permit you got for

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this house, this new house.
>> On the back side of that, it's the water

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portable water supply permit is usually
attached.

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» Oh. Um, do you have that here at AC? Is
that something?

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» But it look I mean probably already I've
already just think it's waste water, you

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know, and then and

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» drinking water. So drinking water.

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All right. There's your authorization
right there.

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» Oh, there we go.
>> See, you had it all along.

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» Well, I that's what I that's what we pay
the big bucks for.

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» Okay. So, we've got uh we got a
All right. So, you've got a water supply

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and a wastewater permit.
>> Yes.

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» Uh for the new house.
>> Um

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how big is this piece of property, AC?
Do you know?

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» I don't know. It depends on how you look
at it. I mean, it's technically three

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pieces of property that we purchased
over the years. There's three deeds, but

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that particular one
>> where the where the house is going to

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sit, is it is that different from the
house the lot that you sit on?

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» That is all the same. I don't know
exactly where that line is. I'd have

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we'd have to bring it up on the website,
but

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» um this is if you look on up here, the
the property that's

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» it's that whole big piece. Correct. Yes,
a little over 112 plus or minus acres.

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» Okay.
>> In total,

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» the only reason I can understand
farmworker housing mean conditional use

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is allowing similar to PUB provisions
allowing extra dwellings on one. Well,

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it actually it actually perpetuates
which was the historical norm the the

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herdsman trailer, you know, you know,
right on the farm property next to the

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farmhouse.
>> Mhm.

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» Not to say it needs the density.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yes.

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Y
>> so uh but it does it doesn't discuss

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farm worker housing any place else other
than putting it on this list as far as I

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know.
Does it show up any place else as far as

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substantive regs and doesn't show up in
350 to 358 or conditional use part?

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» Nope. Uh the only place it shows up
other than in the districts is in the

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definition.
>> Yeah. Well, we should at least pay a

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little attention to that.

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So we can find a compliance.
So

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» and if it wasn't farm worker housing,
>> would we be able to allow another uh u

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residence to be built on the lot?
>> No. Unless it was exe unless it was an

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qualified as an accessory dwelling unit,
>> an ADR and it would depend on size and

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all of that and the main house. So
>> yeah.

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» Um but So this is a this is a unique
situation that you know we can allow

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this because it's farm worker housing.
>> Right.

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» Okay.
>> Right. And and it stays that way. You

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know if you if you go out of production
don't have a farm worker anymore. That's

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» I don't I don't I don't think that's a
problem.

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» Yeah. I know. But you can't change your
mind and rent it out.

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» Correct. No. There's no intention of
renting it out. It would not be that

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close to my house if I was going to rent
it. So farmworker housing is defined as

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any living quarters, dwelling, boarding
house, bunk house or other housing

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accommodations maintained exclusively
for the occupancy of farm employees and

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their families in connection with a farm
or a place where farming is undertaken.

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So this is going to be uh resided in by
one of your farm workers.

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» Correct.
>> Okay.

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That's about all I can find in their
eggs for I know it's I mean it makes

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sense because you see a lot of we see
plenty of properties come in that have

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an old trailer on it that used to be a
farm

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» and so this is this is dealing with that
issue because it gets around the problem

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of one one primary building per lot
>> and

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residential anyway.
Okay. Any uh questions for Shannon?

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» You've been your name your whole life,
haven't you?

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» My whole life. Yes. It's easier
to spell.

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» It's her birthday today. We'll give her
a break.

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» Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, see, look, I I
already started with the S.

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» Yeah, everybody does.
>> Any other questions?

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» We covered in that permit.
>> Yeah. Um, and I don't feel particular

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burning need to go through the
conditional use factors. It's farm

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worker housing and rural five is going
to meet all the conditional use uh

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» uh criteria. So, I prefer to make a
motion to approve it and move on.

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» Okay.
>> Second.

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» Any other discussion?
All those in favor of a conditional use

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approval for this farmworker housing uh
proposal

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say I.
>> Any opposed?

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» Brenda. Brenda's in. Brenda's in.
>> Okay. Thank you, Shannon. Uh, we'll get

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a we'll get it written out and and uh
I'll give you a thumb tomorrow. Is that

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a thing?
>> Okay. Yeah, I wouldn't worry about it.

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They're about to start dropping the
board.

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» Okay. Yeah.
>> Yeah. I saw everybody everybody's either

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getting last cut of hay in or I've seen
the choppers heading out.

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» Y now.
>> They're dropping.

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» Yeah.
>> All right. Well, thanks. See you next

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Tuesday. See
you later.

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» It's a really awesome workshop that I've
been organizing.

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» I'll take your word for it. All right.
New business. Uh permit number 26-054.

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Jeff and Mary Stson, Pine Street, parcel
205129,

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requesting conditional use review for
alteration of a nonconforming porch

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subject to BDR 350-
UFDA and 411.

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All right, we've got something. Who's
coming up? Jeff, Mary, one up to you.

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» Scissors, paper, rock. You lost.
>> I did. All right. Secondly,

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the evidence you shall give before this
development view board swear affirm that

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the you shall give before this
development view the truth the whole

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truth be nothing but the truth.
>> I do.

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» Thank you. How you doing?
>> Good. How are you?

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» All right. So, um
>> so we've got 411 which deal Well, first

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tell us what the proposal is, I guess.
Walk us through. So, we're renovating

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our what we've decided is going to be
our forever house and putting a a master

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bedroom on the first floor. And
>> is that this?

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» We're looking at this now. We've done
some renovations. Got it.

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» And currently we have a just a stoop
that comes out 8 ft from the front of

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the house to front door
>> and it's basically 8 by 8. We would like

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to make it take that stoop down and just
put a nice still just eight feet out

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from the house with a full front porch
across the whole front of the house.

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» Okay.
>> And that's

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» So you're you're basically putting an
addition on the front.

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» Yes.
>> Is it enclosed?

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» No, just a just a porch with posts open.
>> The current the current was just a

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stoop.
>> Yeah. You mean you meant

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» the new Why is it considered an addition
if it's just an open porch?

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» Because it's going to be wider and
bigger and enclosed.

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» Well, it's not going to be enclosed.
>> That

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» all right.
>> This is Well, I have two permits. One's

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already been approved for
the main floor where I have the bedroom.

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» Okay.
>> Going to be here.

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» Okay.
>> But because our porch is closer than 41t

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from the center of the road. Yeah,
>> I had to apply for the conditional use

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piece to make it bigger.
>> H see you

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» non-conforming.

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I'm just thinking about the we we like
did

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» Yeah, I know that's that's 4411, but why
why are we talking about conditional use

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» for the the existing stoop is 31 plus or
minus feet from the line of the road

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which is not the set back for the front
yard is 40.

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» Yeah, but it's got to do conditional use
>> because that's

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the provisions that Oh. Oh, that part.
Yep.

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» Unless approved initially.
>> No. So, it's basically

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this is like the one we did for Belarus.
>> Yeah. Over.

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» Yeah. That's why I was saying it didn't
close.

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» Yeah. And and so I forgot that we That's
another thing. We got to get the scene

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to change.
>> I know. Shannon, get back here.

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» Is Shannon PC?
>> Oh, okay.

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Well, I bet there's a change coming.
>> Oh, yeah.

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All right. So, let me just refresh my
memory on uh 411 here. So,

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for the other board members, the current
porch is 31 plus or minus feet from the

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road center line. Uh the HDR front yard
set I was going to say HDR, right?

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» Yep. HDR front yard setback requirement
is 40T. Um it's an accessory porch on

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the house. Um,
so expanding it or enlarging it, making

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it any different is something I can't
approve because it does not meet the

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front yard setbacks, but we basically
have waiver authority essentially.

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» Um, so HDR
>> even though it matches the current

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setback,
>> but you're right, but you're

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» you're expanding it to the size you are
changing. You're extending the

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nonconformity.
>> Yeah, you're extending the

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nonconformity,
>> but not enlarging the non this case.

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» Well, nor
>> right because you're not coming closer

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closer to
>> but there's more there's more

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non-conforming of space than there would
be.

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» Yes. So, yeah.
>> Front yard set back 40 ft uh from the

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uh
road center line in the HDR.

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All right. So,
we have findings to consider. Does

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anybody while I'm looking at those, does
anybody have questions for Jeff?

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» How far? I'm just saying the 8 ft out.
How long are you going to make it?

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» The full length of the house, which is
40T.

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» The full front.
>> The full front house. The south side.

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» 40 ft.
>> Yeah.

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» Not going out. Just going out 8t to
where you are right now.

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» Yes. Yeah. not getting any closer on the
road.

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» And the one that there's now is what? 31
feet.

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» Yes, sir.
>> So, you only had nine feet.

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» I'm 9 ft short of the 40t, right?
>> Oh, wait. No, the current one.

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» But but the
>> current front soup is 8 by 8,

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» right?
>> Oh, it's 8 by8.

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» It's 8 by 8 and it would expand.
>> Drive by there all the time.

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» Yeah.
>> Yeah.

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» Okay. So it's going to be basically
across the full front of the house.

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» Yes.
>> 8 ft out

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» is the is the prop proposal.
>> Uh so it it is an extension

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u of the nonconformity or enlargement of
the nonconformity. So we h we have to

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specifically approve it to
to allow us. We've done this a few

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times. We had the
>> this happens all the time in the village

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because the village lots predated zoning
and there's an awful lotforming.

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» There's an awful lot of non-conforming
lots. This is uh

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» something we regularly do and it's
our current regulations are better than

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the previous iteration. We used to have
to look around the ne the immediate

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neighborhood and see whether there were
already other encroachments in the in

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the setback and we don't have to do you
know and sometimes there weren't

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sometimes there weren't. It was kind of
silly. We don't have to do that anymore.

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We can uh just consider it uh on its on
its merits because it's it's a real

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common common issue in the HDR. So
that's the only thing before us right

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now is the is the porch the enlargement
of the porch.

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» Correct. Um
>> the

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yeah it's just that there was a master
bedroom renovation aspect to the permit

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but that being within setbacks
um I approved that permit.

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» Okay. Yeah. So that's that's because
>> in the conforming part of the house

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changing yes
>> the note the note here is that explains

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that

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» the house meets the 40ft setback. Yeah.
The porch does not.

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» Yeah. No, there's a Vermont Supreme
Court case on exactly this issue that

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the stuff that happens back there
>> isn't affected by something like like

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this. the there's no uh there's no issue
with

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permitting something that's permitted by
the regs because you've got a

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non-conformity out front.
>> Mhm.

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» In marriage
um

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comes up a lot.
Let's see.

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So two, three,
four,

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five don't apply. So it's really just
we're looking at just just approving

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this subject to our conditional use
authority. Anybody have any further

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questions for Jeff on this? Seems pretty
straightforward. So

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» just a
>> covered portrait.

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» Yes. Y
>> but not enclosed.

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» Not enclosed. Just covered.
>> Good for sitting on. Oh yeah. Well,

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» good for sitting on it.
>> That's our goal is to have our coffee

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out there in the morning and say hello
to everybody walking by.

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» I can see the hammock right now. Not the
hammock. I'm not in the chair.

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» All right. Um I'll move that we approve
the application to uh uh extend the

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existing porch on the front to the full
length of the house. um measuring out 8

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ft from the house. So there will be an
8x40

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porch on the front of the house. That's
the motion.

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» Second.
>> Any further discussion?

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All those in favor?
>> Brenda.

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» I
>> Yes.

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» Stson are free.
>> Okay.

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» Enjoy your coffee.

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ones like
>> No, ours is like fold or something.

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» Well, this could say Sanka is it's not
free. It's not

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» No, no, we got the Mr. Coffee machine.
>> That's good enough.

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» Thank you.
>> Is there anything else I need to do?

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» You just have to wait for a decision to
come in. Yeah, but I can issue the the

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zoning permit tomorrow. But now that
there's been commission, there's

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approval. Correct.
>> The permit,

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» the building permit or wait until
>> No, you got to wait.

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» Okay,
>> good.

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» I'll reach out to you then.
>> All right.

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» Thank you.
>> See?

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All right. One more. All right. Next up,
permit 26-503,

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Steven Park, North 116 Road, parcel
070101.

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Site plan review for development of an
accessory.

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Accessory what?
>> Onfarm business.

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» Oh, that's all. Okay. I thought that was
a mixing word there. An accessory on

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business. Onfarm business presented to
UDR

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390 96 and 610.
Who tell us who you are?

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» I'm Steven Park.
>> Okay, Stephen, can you raise your right

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hand, please?
>> You sound so swear that the or affirm

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that the evidence you shall give before
this development review board should be

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the truth, the whole truth, and nothing
but the truth.

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» Hey, four for four. I want you to notice

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paying attention.
>> Give me some credit. Four for myself

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» and without hesitation.
>> Yeah.

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You think it was like a New Year's
resolution or something? You're going to

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be out of a job,
>> right? So, you want to uh walk us

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00:31:27,279 --> 00:31:31,279
through your proposals?
>> Yeah, Brenda.

430
00:31:29,679 --> 00:31:37,600
» Brenda's got a question.
>> I just want I just wanted to ask this

431
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:42,799
seems to be a farm connected
um

432
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:49,760
project. Why why are we why are we
considering it?

433
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:56,640
» Yeah. Um so agriculture is generally
exempt but state statute does give

434
00:31:52,559 --> 00:32:01,679
municipalities the authority to um
regulate some aspects of farming related

435
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:03,600
to the commercial aspects. So they
recognize

436
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:07,519
» is exempt
>> like the farm store.

437
00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:12,799
» Yeah. So, but like a a farm stand, a
farm store, uh if someone was doing

438
00:32:10,399 --> 00:32:17,039
events at the farm that involve berry
picking, those would all be like

439
00:32:15,039 --> 00:32:19,600
accessory to the actual exempt
agriculture.

440
00:32:18,559 --> 00:32:23,919
But
>> yeah, so we we don't have any authority

441
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:30,880
to tell people how to farm, but there
you're doing something related that's to

442
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:34,399
it that involves location, traffic,
those kinds of things, the town still

443
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:38,080
has a say.
>> Okay. Thank you.

444
00:32:35,919 --> 00:32:41,960
» It's and it's we've got a whole section
on it. Section 610.

445
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:52,960
» Um and I actually received this morning
um a letter from Brett

446
00:32:49,519 --> 00:32:59,799
uh Laorose. Brett Lorose um and he
reviewed he reviewed this application

447
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:59,799
and um

448
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:06,080
uh endorses endorses the application.
>> Okay. So, Stephen, you want to walk us

449
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,480
through the
>> Yeah.

450
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:14,080
» proposal? You can up on the screen
there, I think.

451
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:16,000
» So, um, we just purchased property. Um,
>> this is you, right?

452
00:33:14,799 --> 00:33:17,039
» About a month ago.
>> Yeah. Okay.

453
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,760
» Um,
>> what road is this?

454
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:22,799
» Uh, North 116.
>> Okay. North 116.

455
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:26,240
» This is Randy Russell's property.
>> Oh, I was going to say, you know, that

456
00:33:24,399 --> 00:33:28,000
kind of looks like
>> I've seen that before.

457
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:32,399
» Yeah. Yeah.
>> All right. So, which part did you buy?

458
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:36,240
» So, we purchased the homestead. So all
of the farmland and then there's also

459
00:33:35,279 --> 00:33:41,279
some of the forest that
>> some So you got a bunch of the conserved

460
00:33:37,919 --> 00:33:43,200
land as long as but you've got both
sides of the road here for the

461
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:46,880
buildings. Yes.
>> Okay.

462
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:52,559
» All right. Well, we are I might even say
intimately familiar with this with this

463
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:55,360
familiar certainly. Maybe intimately.
Okay.

464
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:57,760
» Yeah. Well, we worked for two years to
buy it. So

465
00:33:56,159 --> 00:34:00,720
» yeah,
>> I think we worked for two years to

466
00:33:59,039 --> 00:34:04,320
approve it by the time it got finalized,
which is might maybe why it took you two

467
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:06,640
years to buy it.
>> Um, so tell us what you're going to do

468
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:12,879
here.
>> Yeah. So um um so we already

469
00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:16,159
operate Monton as a a vegetable farm,
farm stand, whatever. We do a lot of

470
00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:20,480
pick your own stuff. We're expanding
kind of moving our a lot of our

471
00:34:17,599 --> 00:34:26,960
operations here for better soil reasons.
Um, and so what what we will plan on

472
00:34:24,720 --> 00:34:32,240
having, you see the the red roof barn
here. Yeah, that's the newer barn. Um,

473
00:34:29,919 --> 00:34:34,960
and we're going to use a portion of it.
This um,

474
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,079
» it exists. It exists or it's got to be
built.

475
00:34:35,359 --> 00:34:38,879
» It exists.
>> Okay.

476
00:34:36,879 --> 00:34:39,760
» Um, we're going to use the north end of
it.

477
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:43,599
» Yep.
>> Um, for um, farm stand.

478
00:34:42,879 --> 00:34:48,639
» Okay.
>> And um, and then I was planning on

479
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:53,760
building out a shed roof off the end as
well for the entrance. Um,

480
00:34:50,879 --> 00:34:57,599
» and yeah, so we're also working with the
highway department to get approval for

481
00:34:55,760 --> 00:35:00,720
widening this road. We're gonna have to
remove at least one of the barns for now

482
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:03,680
to do that.
>> You started working with AOT on that

483
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,800
because it's 116.
>> Exactly.

484
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:08,560
» Yeah.
>> We've got a permit in for that. Um,

485
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:11,520
» it's pending or it's been received.
>> It's been received. It's been

486
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,720
» They haven't They haven't They haven't
issued it yet.

487
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:16,400
» No.
>> Okay.

488
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:19,760
» U, but I worked with them quite a bit on
it and

489
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:24,320
» Yep. Um and so yeah, so um we're going
to widen that out. We're going to have

490
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:29,040
farm stand there. Then the rest of the
building is used for like kind of our

491
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:30,400
wash space and walking coolers and shop
space and stuff.

492
00:35:30,079 --> 00:35:35,200
» Um
>> so it's a farm stand to sell

493
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:36,880
» product that you've grown here or Yeah.
What what are you going to be growing?

494
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,839
Looks like
>> we grow a lot of strawberries. That's a

495
00:35:38,240 --> 00:35:44,320
big but we grow wide variety of
everything. So Okay. Um

496
00:35:41,839 --> 00:35:48,320
» yeah, all all the all the vegetables.
>> All right. Um um we're already they're

497
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:57,200
already planted at next year strawberry
field over here green houses right now.

498
00:35:51,599 --> 00:36:01,760
Um and so um yeah so I think um
some of the

499
00:35:59,119 --> 00:36:09,920
biggest issues I think like so parking
is one thing. Um we're kind of

500
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:17,359
our our business um we have kind of like
a um a real peak season in June

501
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:22,240
especially with strawberries. Um yeah.
So I mean we're open like our current

502
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:27,040
farm stand is open from um like late
April until uh November. Um here at

503
00:36:25,599 --> 00:36:33,680
least next year we're probably going to
be waiting till June to open. Um but um

504
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:37,920
that like the month of June when we are
have our strawberry picking is kind of

505
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:43,520
our really busy season and that's when
we really need extra parking. Um and so

506
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:50,000
our plan for now, you know, because we
just taken over and there's um um for

507
00:36:47,119 --> 00:36:55,280
next year, this area here we're planning
on having as kind of a grass parking

508
00:36:53,119 --> 00:36:57,599
area and that might very well be our
long-term plan as well if it works out

509
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:01,760
well. Mhm.
>> Um, plus any parking along this, you

510
00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:05,119
know, here and here.
>> Yeah, you sure can't park on 116.

511
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:09,200
» No. No.
>> You have play there.

512
00:37:07,599 --> 00:37:16,920
» This area is this play.
>> No, that's I wouldn't be buy.

513
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,920
That's the reason I bought this

514
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:26,800
» didn't tell that.
>> No, no, I wouldn't buy something far.

515
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:31,920
Um, so yeah. No, it's very well drained.
Um um and so and so you're anticipating

516
00:37:30,720 --> 00:37:38,000
you're going to be able to use this
parking space where on a rainy day.

517
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:42,480
» Yes. And um um we're going to get grass
seated on it right away. Um I know next

518
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:47,359
year, you know, we'll see how well it
stand, but it's like the soil type there

519
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:53,440
is Adam's lonely sand, which is an
excessively drained sand. So it's Yeah,

520
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:56,000
the water wet should not be a problem.
Yeah,

521
00:37:54,000 --> 00:38:00,400
» we have a lot of experience with parking
lot clay in our fields.

522
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:04,400
So, a couple of questions about access
to the property, sir. Okay.

523
00:38:02,240 --> 00:38:09,680
» Okay. So, what I heard you say is that
on the north end, you've talked to um

524
00:38:08,079 --> 00:38:16,400
AOT and you were going to take some
buildings down and that's going to be

525
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:20,160
the primary exit and entrance point for
retail. Yes.

526
00:38:18,079 --> 00:38:26,079
» Okay. And then if we move to the south,
you've got a farm access road. Is that a

527
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:30,000
new curse cut from the state and is that
going to be are people going to be using

528
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:34,960
that to access the property?
>> No, they're not. So that's um

529
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:40,320
» we're going to add the reason for that
is and yes, that's part of our permit

530
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:44,720
with the highway department.
Um that's so that

531
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:50,240
» because so this is a large field here
below you can't see but and so that I

532
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:55,119
can access has farm equipment
>> directly across rather than having to

533
00:38:51,920 --> 00:39:00,560
come down the road and retail area.
>> Um we're going to put a road in just in

534
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:04,040
that in fact part of our
>> to say it on here.

535
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:12,079
» Yeah. There'll there'll be like a um no
you know uh do not enter sign and stuff

536
00:39:10,079 --> 00:39:16,320
right there. So no customers will be
accessing right there. That's just for

537
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:20,800
farm equipment.
>> So what do what have our great

538
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:25,200
» say? Does that answer your question?
>> Well it does because I was I mean

539
00:39:23,359 --> 00:39:30,000
there's several things on here which
>> yeah is beyond our preview is is this

540
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:32,079
whole pedestrian thing about people
crossing the road and warning signs. I

541
00:39:31,839 --> 00:39:37,040
mean
>> yeah. So that's all and that was because

542
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:40,320
I was working on this for the for AOT.
So I just kind of left it on the map.

543
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:43,680
» Well, I think that isn't our preview.
This is site plan review and traffic

544
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,240
control and pedestrian controls part of
it.

545
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:48,000
» Yeah,
>> we can't control the access way, but I

546
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:53,280
think we can weigh in on that.
>> So there what they've told me they and

547
00:39:50,079 --> 00:39:56,960
he one came out um Ed came out to look
at it

548
00:39:54,079 --> 00:40:01,040
» and they he felt like it was no problem.
It's there's you know it is busy road

549
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:05,119
but there's really good sight right
there.

550
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:09,119
long distance and and we're going to put
in

551
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:12,560
» signage and possibly even I know
currently where we are, you know, when

552
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:18,160
when we're
>> very busy, we do have like a parking

553
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:22,000
attendant and I'm thinking if we feel
like it's necessary, we'll have somebody

554
00:40:19,839 --> 00:40:26,000
there just kind of help just watching
like our like real busy times

555
00:40:24,720 --> 00:40:30,800
» just to make sure that people are
>> so people will be crossing this road,

556
00:40:28,079 --> 00:40:33,440
you know, to you know to to pick from
their All right. And then coming back

557
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:36,079
over again.
>> Exactly.

558
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,920
» And then this is like Oh, I'm sorry to
interrupt.

559
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:41,040
» Do you have any strawberries on this
side of the road?

560
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:45,680
» So currently, and that's the thing is it
moves. It changes where we plant, right?

561
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:49,200
So we have to plan multiple years out.
So currently this north field right here

562
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:53,119
is where is where we've actually already
planted

563
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:56,400
» and so that's next year's picking. Um um
I think the year after that we're

564
00:40:54,400 --> 00:41:01,119
actually going to be in this field. Um
and then sometimes down here and that's

565
00:40:58,319 --> 00:41:04,960
why so this only one of these pedestrian
crossings would be used in India down

566
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:08,400
here.
Yes.

567
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:13,839
» So I see
>> that that requirement for warning and

568
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:19,200
signs and all that is not part of the
AOT permit. It would be part of it was

569
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:24,079
part of it. So it's written into their
permit or will be in their permit. Um I

570
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:30,880
know that they are going to ask us to
put in these um pedestrian crossing

571
00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:32,800
signs. Um um and that I have labeled
here.

572
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:38,720
» Um and so
>> are they making them light up or just

573
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:45,359
» No, we did not say that.
>> So So then I guess I'm trying to learn

574
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:49,280
here, Kevin. So if in fact AOT is thrown
putting it in their permits, does that

575
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:54,000
need to be a condition of ours? We can
we can we can yeah we want to do that we

576
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:58,079
just punt punt to it as a
>> part of the site. Yeah, that just like

577
00:41:55,920 --> 00:42:01,119
we do with lots of permits where we say
you have to have a wastewater permit,

578
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:03,280
» right?
>> Same.

579
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:07,040
» Well, it's site plan review and that's
pedestrian safety and traffic safety is

580
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:09,920
part and parcel of site plan review. But
here we have overlapping legal

581
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:15,359
authority,
>> right? And so if the state is actually

582
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:19,119
looking at that, we can just shortcut it
and

583
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:24,400
trust the state to do its job and we can
say that can be a condition that you

584
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:31,040
have to have um permit signage
>> permit for you have to com you know have

585
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:33,200
have a permit for signage and u are they
going to make you strike crossing walks

586
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:36,560
or something like that?
>> No, he he came out and he said that they

587
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,480
didn't feel like any of that was
necessary.

588
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:42,720
» Okay. So really, you're just going to
have to put up like pedestrian warning

589
00:42:41,119 --> 00:42:47,920
signs basically.
>> Yeah. And then the signs here are just

590
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:52,640
like it'll basically a sign telling
people like stop and cars don't stop for

591
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:56,079
pedestrians, you know, just letting
people know, that's

592
00:42:54,720 --> 00:42:59,119
» um but that won't be like something
that's permanent. That'll be like

593
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:02,319
temporary. Um these will be the
permanent ones.

594
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:04,160
» So which ones which ones are permanent?
>> Out here.

595
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:07,599
» Okay.
>> In these approximate locations. Yeah.

596
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:10,400
They're going to let us know exactly
where they

597
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:15,520
» all all the signage that you're putting
putting installing, let's say, they're

598
00:43:13,359 --> 00:43:20,079
all reflected on this site plan.
>> Mhm.

599
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:26,000
» Okay. And uh
it's the only Okay.

600
00:43:22,720 --> 00:43:30,400
So that's that's easy. Um you know, you
you

601
00:43:27,599 --> 00:43:35,280
construct according to the approved site
plan. Um

602
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:40,079
so the barns to be removed. What's the
time frame for that?

603
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:42,240
» So, there's a total of three barns here.
Um,

604
00:43:41,119 --> 00:43:44,960
» this little one,
>> that one's falling apart, right? Down.

605
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:49,599
Yeah.
>> So, I'm just going to remove that one

606
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:52,000
right away. This one is going to need
>> the long one.

607
00:43:50,240 --> 00:43:54,960
» Mhm. It's going to need to be removed in
order to do this little work. So,

608
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,400
» what's the third? What's the other one?
This one.

609
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,160
» This one.
>> Oh,

610
00:43:56,720 --> 00:44:01,680
» these are separate.
>> Is that a greenhouse?

611
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:03,119
» There you just extension off the back of
this barn.

612
00:44:02,240 --> 00:44:07,760
» Oh, I see
>> this one. What's this?

613
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:11,920
» Um, let's see. Oh, you know what? I
didn't

614
00:44:09,599 --> 00:44:15,440
The map that I submitted to AOT had a
couple more things on it and I didn't

615
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:21,200
remove that, but I didn't. So, what that
is is they're asking to um remove some

616
00:44:18,720 --> 00:44:23,440
of the uh asphalt right there.
>> Oh, so they don't cuz they don't want

617
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:26,720
people parking on it.
>> Exactly.

618
00:44:23,839 --> 00:44:29,520
» All right. So, that this depicts an area
where asphalt will be removed.

619
00:44:28,240 --> 00:44:32,160
» Exactly. Yeah.
>> Okay. Then

620
00:44:30,240 --> 00:44:36,000
» in front of a barn to be taken down.
>> Yeah. Yeah. If you see that kind of

621
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:38,560
Yeah. Exactly where you're
>> All right.

622
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:44,079
» Right. Pull over.
>> Right. So, okay. So, that I know it's

623
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:48,160
like it's a lot of people's pull over
pull over spot right now. So,

624
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:55,040
» okay. So, can one of the things we're
going to want is for you to add in

625
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:59,520
what this rectangle means. The area area
for asphalt removal.

626
00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:03,520
» I have a question. the the operation
that you have right now is north of this

627
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:08,640
in Monton.
>> Is your parking and and is that

628
00:45:06,079 --> 00:45:09,680
operation also pick your own?
>> Yes.

629
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,800
» And
>> well, it won't be in the future though.

630
00:45:11,359 --> 00:45:16,880
We're moving all of our pick your own
operation to this location.

631
00:45:14,319 --> 00:45:20,400
» But I meant right now history with that.
>> Yeah. 10 years. Yeah.

632
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:22,560
» And is your parking across the street
from where you're doing your picking

633
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:26,560
also?
>> No, it's a very different situation

634
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:28,319
there. Yeah. Um,
>> what's your farm in Monton?

635
00:45:27,599 --> 00:45:33,680
» Full belly farm.
>> Your full belly. Okay. Yeah.

636
00:45:31,839 --> 00:45:34,560
» Yeah. It's what used to be Norrisberry
Farm.

637
00:45:34,079 --> 00:45:38,960
» Yeah.
>> Yeah.

638
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:41,920
» Yeah. It's a very different situation
there. Yeah.

639
00:45:39,839 --> 00:45:48,319
» Yeah. Your speed limit's a lot lower and
it's narrower and blah blah blah.

640
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:51,359
» Uh, both better and worse, right? We
>> got a lot of parking problems on our

641
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:57,680
place that I feel like will be resolved
here, but the the busy highway soon.

642
00:45:55,839 --> 00:46:00,319
Okay. So, the red arrows are depicting
two-way traffic coming out of the

643
00:45:59,119 --> 00:46:02,800
driveway, right?
>> So, is the driveway itself to be

644
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:06,160
enlarged?
>> Yes. So, what we're doing, um, this is

645
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:10,240
» you're taking this barn out.
>> Mhm. And this we're going to expand this

646
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:12,720
to 30 foot wide so that it's
>> of travel way.

647
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:15,440
» Yes. Mhm.
>> Okay.

648
00:46:13,119 --> 00:46:19,760
» So, it's nice and wide. Um, makes it,
you know, easy for people to come in and

649
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:24,000
out.
>> That's what it says right here. Yeah.

650
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:27,760
Two-way access. 30 foot.
>> Yeah. right there.

651
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:31,119
» And will that will require fire
approval?

652
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:35,440
» Already got it.
>> Received it today.

653
00:46:32,240 --> 00:46:38,560
» No hammerhead or no turnar around.
>> Here's the letter.

654
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:41,839
» Based on that review, the town of
Bristol Fire Department finds that the

655
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:45,280
proposed emergency access road as fixed
on the attached site plan are acceptable

656
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:48,000
for fire apparatus access and
operational use. And

657
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:50,960
» I'm sorry.
>> It's just a straight It's just a

658
00:46:49,599 --> 00:46:57,359
straight driveway. There's nothing. I'll
I'll tell you and I apologize, but um I

659
00:46:54,800 --> 00:47:02,160
I did add something else to the map when
I sent it to him that wasn't at I'd

660
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:04,640
already given you this one, so it's not
a big change.

661
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:08,400
» Oh, I think I kind I think I know what
you're talking about. I think we talked

662
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:13,760
about it before. I sent you to Brett,
but it's right behind the varness to be

663
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:16,720
removed. You have a turnaround time.
>> Yes, exactly. And I didn't update it on

664
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,960
this map. So,
>> and is that what Brett's approved?

665
00:47:18,720 --> 00:47:21,440
» Yeah.
>> All right. So, this doesn't show the

666
00:47:20,240 --> 00:47:24,880
turnaround.
>> Yeah. Okay, that's got to be fixed.

667
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:30,560
» Yeah, I'll send that same one that I'd
sent to him. And so, that's essentially

668
00:47:27,359 --> 00:47:33,119
right here. And what it will be, we will
have signs to keep customers from

669
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:36,480
parking here.
>> Mhm.

670
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:42,560
» And this will be for either delivery
vehicles or as a fire turn.

671
00:47:39,359 --> 00:47:45,119
» Yeah. About here. I see this orange.
>> Yes. Exactly. Yep.

672
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:48,400
» That's going to be where the turnaround
is for.

673
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:51,920
» All right. So,
>> yeah. Yeah, I've done a few different

674
00:47:49,359 --> 00:47:57,800
versions of the map now.
>> What's the date of the road's approval?

675
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,800
» Um,

676
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:03,839
I received it today. It's dated
September 5th. And you've seen Brett's

677
00:48:03,119 --> 00:48:08,079
letter.
>> Yes, I received that, too. That's

678
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:16,000
nervous. I wasn't going to see it for a
meeting, but came in today. So,

679
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:18,480
» okay. All right. So, four signs.
So,

680
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:27,359
» at the end of your driveway on the ones,
you have stop signs.

681
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:31,680
» Um, and that's not something the AMT um
suggested. Um, might not be a bad idea,

682
00:48:30,240 --> 00:48:35,000
but it's not something that they brought
up. So,

683
00:48:35,119 --> 00:48:43,839
I I guess the reason I'm asking is that
people might have more of a tendency to

684
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:48,160
treat it as a driveway.
like you know you're pulling out of

685
00:48:45,119 --> 00:48:56,079
somebody's house and you pull up
this might psychologically reinforce

686
00:48:50,800 --> 00:49:01,280
something by stopping working before you
>> yeah you're also going to have vehicular

687
00:48:59,119 --> 00:49:06,000
and pedestrian traffic coming out of
that one driveway going buses

688
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:08,559
» so not not exactly so the pedestrian if
you look above there's the blue dash

689
00:49:08,319 --> 00:49:12,559
light
>> blue dash of pedestrian

690
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:14,880
» oh okay and that's so that they can go
directly across cost. Okay.

691
00:49:14,240 --> 00:49:19,680
» Mhm.
>> And not have to Yeah. deal with that.

692
00:49:17,119 --> 00:49:24,880
Yeah. Exactly.
>> Speaking of signage, do you have plans

693
00:49:21,599 --> 00:49:29,040
to be putting up signage labeling the
farm or

694
00:49:26,720 --> 00:49:33,599
» the pick areas or anything like that?
>> So, as far as like on the road, we'll

695
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:38,400
have, you know, um complying just like a
farm sign. Um and then other signage

696
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:43,200
would just be temporary stuff. So like
we, you know, like what we do currently,

697
00:49:41,359 --> 00:49:47,760
um, like we might have small real estate
signs saying things that are available

698
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:52,240
time and then on the farm away from the
road, you know, we use a lot of signage

699
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:55,800
to get people where they need to go, you
know, around the farm.

700
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:10,720
So a you've got to
the shed roof edition isn't built yet.

701
00:50:08,559 --> 00:50:13,359
» Okay. And remind you what we said about
the orange roof here. It exists or

702
00:50:12,559 --> 00:50:17,440
doesn't exist yet?
>> It exists.

703
00:50:14,079 --> 00:50:21,200
» Does so you so they'll need a
a building permit for that? But it's

704
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:25,040
part of site plan. I mean it's part of
the layout. So

705
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:28,400
» So we'll need a build permit for
>> add the shed. Mhm.

706
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:32,079
» Do we if it's an ad building
>> or do we just need the

707
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:36,000
» the use permit?
>> It's wrapped into both. Okay. So,

708
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:40,960
essentially your accessory on farm
business permit. Um once you get the

709
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:45,839
Yeah, once you get the site plan
approval, decision letter,

710
00:50:42,720 --> 00:50:52,319
» pending approval, not to jump the gun,
>> um I'll then issue the the the use

711
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:55,640
permit and the building permit
>> wrapped in

712
00:50:58,319 --> 00:51:04,559
any I assume the answer is no. You've
looked at the parking guidance such as

713
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:10,079
we have. Is there any is there any
metric for us to go by? Uh it's

714
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:16,240
agriculture uses. It's like one per
employee, but they have a proposed 75

715
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:23,040
plus cars parking area plus an
additional uh I would say at least five

716
00:51:20,319 --> 00:51:26,880
handicap parking areas.
The

717
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:30,000
So that's all all the parking that the
75 is all sort of laid out in this

718
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:35,920
» exact
>> area. Okay. I think I remember reading

719
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:39,920
that or that um
>> yeah that you can use a grassy field.

720
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:42,559
Yeah, you can you can
>> well draining

721
00:51:41,359 --> 00:51:44,000
» the uh
>> Terasan.

722
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:48,720
» Mhm.
>> And behind Terasan those not that they

723
00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:52,400
have any people but
>> there's parking there probably for us.

724
00:51:50,720 --> 00:51:56,800
Um
yeah, we have a all towns have a parking

725
00:51:54,640 --> 00:52:01,920
ordinance and part of their zoning and
certain

726
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:06,000
types of uses there's a metric you know
restaurant number of so many space

727
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:11,200
spaces per number of tables so many
spaces per event of employees in other

728
00:52:08,720 --> 00:52:15,440
uses it just doesn't really fit doesn't
apply and sounds like farming is one of

729
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:18,839
those but you got you you got enough
that's for Any

730
00:52:23,839 --> 00:52:30,240
questions, Brenda?
>> No, no questions.

731
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:37,680
» Uh,
I have a follow on the raffles.

732
00:52:33,599 --> 00:52:43,119
» You're under raffles, correct?
>> Yes. So, yes, we are. Think about that.

733
00:52:40,720 --> 00:52:49,440
It's been a while. So we are um still
like under the small farm rule. So yes,

734
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:53,280
but it's not the higher level as like
like we're a dairy farm, a larger farm.

735
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:58,559
» No, but yeah, a large farm operation
versus a small farm.

736
00:52:54,480 --> 00:53:03,359
» Yeah, it's small, medium, large, but
>> um yeah,

737
00:53:01,119 --> 00:53:07,920
» that's being
conserved like there's the the land

738
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:10,160
trust requirements and working with RCS
and all that.

739
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:15,040
Yes.
>> You also figured considering you're a

740
00:53:12,079 --> 00:53:20,880
farm in Monton, you would also have been
under those pools in Monton.

741
00:53:18,319 --> 00:53:24,800
» Will people be coming in here to
purchase or pick anything other than

742
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:31,359
strawberries?
>> Um, currently that will be our only

743
00:53:26,720 --> 00:53:36,160
thing. Um, if we So, we'd like to grow
raspberries again. We have in past, but

744
00:53:34,079 --> 00:53:43,359
our farm kind of kills raspberries. So,
um um um but if we So, and then also

745
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:46,319
potentially blueberries. We have we're
actually going to keep our blueberry

746
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:50,400
planting because we're keeping our farm
stand open in Monton, not change

747
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:54,240
anything there as far as a stand and
>> we've got 50-y old blueberry plants

748
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:56,880
there. So those I'll get
>> um

749
00:53:55,040 --> 00:54:00,400
» it's possible we're going to plant like
I think we probably will blueberries

750
00:53:59,119 --> 00:54:07,599
expand that
>> but when we do all of that is going to

751
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:08,720
go in this field up here this extends up
>> um so that

752
00:54:08,559 --> 00:54:11,040
» way
>> farther north.

753
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:13,119
» Yeah. So that we don't have to deal with
the road crossing for those types of

754
00:54:12,559 --> 00:54:17,200
things.
>> Yeah. I'm kind of surprised that you

755
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:21,359
know that the state is is allowing you
to do this that you know

756
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:24,800
» crossing this fairly busy road.
>> Yeah. I mean, he came on. He like,

757
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:28,640
"Yeah, this looks like no problem." And
you ran by everybody there. Um,

758
00:54:26,559 --> 00:54:31,599
» I think it's cuz it's nice and straight.
>> Yeah.

759
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:35,119
» It's a really You can really see long
roads both directions. Yeah.

760
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:37,839
» Yeah. We all live here, so yeah,
>> we're all very familiar with with this

761
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:40,839
turf.
>> Yeah.

762
00:54:42,079 --> 00:54:48,480
» Do you see the retail store eventually
expanding? And you know, and I I've

763
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:52,800
stopped by your place a couple of times
and it seems like you've had some other

764
00:54:50,240 --> 00:54:57,440
things in addition to berries, but other
types of fruits. I don't know, donor

765
00:54:54,720 --> 00:55:01,119
ciderish.
>> Currently, so

766
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:07,440
what' you say?
>> Corn.

767
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:13,839
We don't do corn maze. Um we currently
>> we sell like in the around I would say

768
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:18,800
approximately 90% of our sales are our
own product. Um and then we do like like

769
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:24,160
we buy in stone free
>> we also have premium stand in our

770
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:28,720
» yeah um and
>> I don't know we haven't really decided

771
00:55:25,839 --> 00:55:36,400
right now we have no real interest in
like managing two great machines

772
00:55:32,240 --> 00:55:39,920
um one is already enough see keeping Mon
going for another

773
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:43,119
» yes a period of time
>> our plan right now is to is to keep

774
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:48,240
going
>> yeah it's such a good store. Um, we've

775
00:55:46,240 --> 00:55:53,040
got a lot to think about with that. Um,
we're going to continue living there.

776
00:55:50,079 --> 00:55:57,119
Um, I be pretty tough to get my wife to
move out of our house right now. So, um,

777
00:55:55,760 --> 00:56:01,520
we're going to keep living there. We're
going to keep our store open. We're

778
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:06,240
leasing all of our land there out. Um,
and um, moving all of our operations

779
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:12,319
here. It's a strong enough store like I
know that it's going to be

780
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:15,520
that store is going to shrink some
because we're going to be pulling a lot

781
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:20,559
of customers away and all of our pick
your own. But it's still just we're just

782
00:56:17,839 --> 00:56:24,400
we stay so busy there. Like it it um
it'll also probably cut our we'll be

783
00:56:22,720 --> 00:56:28,480
able to cut our staff there a lot and
bring more staff.

784
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:31,599
» There's a lot of risber traffic going
by.

785
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:35,760
» There is. Yeah. Um, so that's our
current plan is to is to keep both

786
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:40,640
locations. Um,
>> are you going to be housing any of your

787
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:48,240
workers in either location?
>> Yeah. So, we currently have

788
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:50,960
um housing for two of our employees on
our farm plus we rent a room for another

789
00:56:50,559 --> 00:56:53,040
guy
>> in

790
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:57,280
» Monton. Yeah.
>> Because we also we've been

791
00:56:55,440 --> 00:57:03,440
» Yep. So, we're working on that right
now. Um, and we've been working with A

792
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:07,359
on that. Um, we're gonna have, um, uh,
we're doing some renovation on the

793
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:11,680
farmhouse for farmworker housing. And,
and we're going to mean that way the

794
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:15,920
guys that work for me, they all live
there. We don't have to rent the next

795
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:21,280
room. Plus, it gives us some extra room
for higher need and potentially another.

796
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:24,720
» We currently have H2A workers in Jamaica
either.

797
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:30,040
And this property has had farm worker
housing since the 19

798
00:57:30,079 --> 00:57:34,559
» from the start of the program.
>> Yeah. Um so

799
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:36,960
» where
>> this the this property these

800
00:57:36,319 --> 00:57:40,799
» Wow. Okay.
>> There was um I went back through the

801
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:45,920
history and actually I worked with Randy
Russell to get the history of the pro

802
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:51,280
property. There was at 1.3 units of
farmworker housing and that last unit

803
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:53,920
got removed in the 80s. So, it's had
>> it's had history on it.

804
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:57,359
» It's had two units of farm worker
housing on the property since at least

805
00:57:55,680 --> 00:58:00,880
the 1980s.
>> Um,

806
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:05,200
so are you planning any educational,
recreational, or social social events on

807
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:09,200
the farm?
Hastings, farm stays, exhibits,

808
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:12,720
processing.
>> That is not nonplanned.

809
00:58:10,799 --> 00:58:16,640
» All right. So, that's why told us we
should be doing

810
00:58:14,319 --> 00:58:19,040
» financing. We don't need anymore.
>> Let's get the farm going first.

811
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:24,400
» Yeah.
>> Yeah. Well, you can always get an

812
00:58:20,319 --> 00:58:29,200
amendment uh or or if you
go on to you decide, well, we want to,

813
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:32,880
you know, have have concerts like
Lincoln Lincoln Peak.

814
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:37,599
» I don't think so.
Selling Produce is our business. So,

815
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:42,720
» yeah. Know your business.
>> So, can I make a suggestion?

816
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:48,720
» If it was me, I would move my handicap
parking closer to the picket

817
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:54,559
so the handicap is not crossing link 16.
that is and so it is possible that so

818
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:59,599
like at our current location we have we
have kind of limited parking lot it

819
00:58:57,359 --> 00:59:02,720
fills up very quickly so all of our pick
your own we actually direct them out to

820
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:07,520
the field
>> the problem here and and that could be

821
00:59:04,799 --> 00:59:12,400
done with like a limited number of cars
um but we can't have all of our because

822
00:59:09,839 --> 00:59:15,200
just that's a narrow road the access
there just wouldn't

823
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:18,319
» well I don't know how they said just the
handicap

824
00:59:16,319 --> 00:59:21,200
» yep so this would be like handicap that
part which that's something we've really

825
00:59:19,839 --> 00:59:26,559
wanted to have at our place and we
haven't been able to. So, um that gives

826
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:31,680
people access to the farm store easily.
So, um a lot of this is from what we've

827
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:34,000
learned, you know, 10 years. Like we
don't want people have to be parking way

828
00:59:33,359 --> 00:59:35,520
out here.
>> Yeah. They're not doing the pick your

829
00:59:35,119 --> 00:59:38,400
own.
>> Exactly. It's just going to our farm

830
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:42,640
store. That's a problem we have
currently is like in in June when we're

831
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:47,040
really busy and somebody just wants to
come in and go to to our store,

832
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:51,680
» grab something. They're parking so far
away, you know, and and Yeah. Yeah. So,

833
00:59:49,839 --> 00:59:56,880
we're trying to make sure we can keep
>> So, the farm store is the

834
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:59,520
focus of the business.
>> Yes.

835
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:04,000
» Yeah. Yeah. That's our I mean, we we
wholesale as well. Um but our

836
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:10,400
» But it's not like the Bur Farm over on
Route 7 in Charlotte, if we call that a

837
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:15,599
Bur Farm where the chicken pick your own
is basically what they do,

838
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:21,440
» right? We have both. Yeah. Yeah. in
ancient history here. Charlott finds

839
01:00:18,799 --> 01:00:24,079
that they're going where is that or what
is it saying?

840
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:28,000
» Well, they're still there. They're still
there. Roy Thorp's firm.

841
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:32,799
» No. Well, there's one in Charlotte
that's still there right on Route 7.

842
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:38,119
Thorp.
>> Where's Adam's Berry Farm?

843
01:00:35,119 --> 01:00:38,119
» Charlotte.

844
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:43,440
» See, there's just too many berries.
>> You know what? There's not very many

845
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:46,480
people in strawberries though. It's all
blueberries.

846
01:00:44,799 --> 01:00:50,640
» Nobody wants to do strawberries. They're
too hard.

847
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:55,520
» A lot of work, right?
>> There's lots of blueberry

848
01:00:54,079 --> 01:00:58,000
too. So when you're talking about
planting blueberry, don't

849
01:00:56,640 --> 01:01:02,079
» That's the thing. It's not really a
priority of ours because of that. Yeah.

850
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:05,599
» Um but strawberries are out
>> and it'll take a few years for Yeah.

851
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:10,640
» Yeah. Yes.
>> Yeah. And we honestly I mean like we we

852
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:14,160
just don't even sell I mean we've got
blueberries and it's because there's

853
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:18,480
already so much more competition for
blueberries. It's not something that

854
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:20,799
really grows for us.
>> My neighbors are growing peaches.

855
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:24,720
» Oh yeah. Nice.
>> And they're doing really well. I'm

856
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:29,520
surprised. I'm surprised.
>> I was surprised to see how fast the

857
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:35,839
trees bear once they're planted. My
neighbors got one fast blueberries.

858
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:41,040
Yeah.
Yeah, probably is a not too many people

859
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:44,240
mess with anymore.
>> It's a lot of work.

860
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:49,119
» It's a lot of work. A lot that I feel
that's a $30,000 investment to do that.

861
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:52,000
» Yeah. But
>> Right. Everything's got to go right in

862
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:56,160
the last week in June in the first week
in July.

863
01:01:53,359 --> 01:02:00,880
» Yeah. And then before that, I mean, I'm
>> my one of my most stressful times is May

864
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:04,160
for frost.
>> So, we do frost protection. So, we're

865
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:09,440
getting frost. I don't
>> sleep. I don't sleep those nights. I

866
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:14,079
don't turn on the irrigation.
>> Yeah, we can lose $100,000 in a night,

867
01:02:13,119 --> 01:02:18,000
right?
>> Right.

868
01:02:15,839 --> 01:02:24,240
» Right.
>> Las Vegas.

869
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:29,040
» It's gambling. That's all farming is.
>> Yeah, it's gambling.

870
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:35,839
» So, no farm stays. you're not going to
be providing guest accommodations for

871
01:02:33,119 --> 01:02:39,920
» uh educational, social, recreational
activities, just workers.

872
01:02:38,079 --> 01:02:45,200
So it really comes down to in the
definitions accessory onfarmm business

873
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:50,000
activity that is accessory to a farm
that comprises one or more of the

874
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:54,880
following. So
two and three don't apply.

875
01:02:52,960 --> 01:03:00,160
Number one is storage preparation,
processing or and sale of qualifying

876
01:02:57,839 --> 01:03:04,160
products provided that more than 50% of
the total annual sales are from

877
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:08,480
qualifying products that are principally
produced on the farm where the business

878
01:03:05,599 --> 01:03:12,400
is located. So this is going to sell
>> yeah strawberries.

879
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:16,480
» You're going to be selling strawberries
grown on on this farm.

880
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:19,680
» Yeah. And all the other produce be
>> okay. So all the produce will be grown

881
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:24,960
on All right. So that that satisfies the
definition that we're you're care about.

882
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:28,400
Um
so this is site plan review which is you

883
01:03:26,799 --> 01:03:32,400
know we've been talking about it traffic
and all of that.

884
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:38,400
» Um you got to revise the site plan a
couple ways. Any other questions

885
01:03:36,079 --> 01:03:43,200
from the board?
>> We've asked a lot.

886
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:49,520
» Yeah. Well,
mindless.

887
01:03:46,079 --> 01:03:56,880
I'll move that we approve the site plan
with the conditions that the

888
01:03:53,920 --> 01:04:03,599
revised site plan is submitted that
labels the asphalt removal area

889
01:04:00,079 --> 01:04:09,359
and depicts the uh approved turnaround
for emergency vehicles.

890
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:13,920
Uh we've got stop we've got signs
already depicted. What do we think about

891
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:18,160
a stop sign? Do we want to put It makes
sense to me and it's not a big deal.

892
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:23,520
» I think a a stop sign and B where you're
going to open the AOP from now.

893
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:30,640
» That's good. That right. So, install a
stop. The third condition would be

894
01:04:25,839 --> 01:04:34,480
install a stopped sign uh on the
driveway

895
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:40,480
u standard stop sign. Mhm.
>> And uh the other last condition would be

896
01:04:37,119 --> 01:04:46,480
that you obtain AOT approval for the U
access

897
01:04:41,839 --> 01:04:53,599
» which is which is pending. Um
>> does AOT have um

898
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:58,799
review over the stop sign?
>> I don't know. It could be that could

899
01:04:56,079 --> 01:05:02,000
» I think it's a good idea. I'll just let
them I'll let them know that and

900
01:05:00,559 --> 01:05:05,119
» yeah that's all
>> it's in there right away. Yeah, I

901
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:09,680
mentioned that.
>> Well, if they were to say, "No, don't

902
01:05:06,559 --> 01:05:13,440
you dare." Then that's one thing. So,
>> correct. You don't You also don't want

903
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:15,359
to put it up and then have them say,
"What are you doing?"

904
01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:19,599
» Yeah. Yeah.
>> I'll definitely let them know.

905
01:05:17,039 --> 01:05:22,799
» Yeah, they can. Yeah, that's a good
point. So, all right. So, those are the

906
01:05:21,039 --> 01:05:25,799
four.
So,

907
01:05:26,079 --> 01:05:35,440
show the label the asphalt removal area,
show the turnaround, uh, install a stop

908
01:05:31,599 --> 01:05:40,799
sign, obtain AOT approval for the, uh,
access off of 116. We can leave it at

909
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:44,520
that. And, uh, anything else that
anybody can think of?

910
01:05:45,599 --> 01:05:49,839
» We mentioned five handicap parking
spots. Yeah.

911
01:05:48,799 --> 01:05:53,280
» Does that need to
>> Yeah, that's a good thing to put in.

912
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:57,920
five handicap parking spots since the
apple tape though.

913
01:05:54,640 --> 01:06:00,960
» Yeah, I think so. In the area noted and
uh just the findings of fact will show

914
01:05:59,920 --> 01:06:05,680
75.
>> Yeah, that was just an estimate based on

915
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:08,079
the area. Um parking spaces do you need
to be 9 ft by 18 ft?

916
01:06:07,599 --> 01:06:13,119
» Yeah.
>> So, however many

917
01:06:10,079 --> 01:06:18,960
» do you have to have x amount of handicap
versus your regular parking spaces? Is

918
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:22,480
there some kind of regulation with that?
Not in our

919
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:26,000
» not in our but good practice too.
>> Well, that's

920
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:29,520
something that we think about a lot at
our place because the way our parking is

921
01:06:27,599 --> 01:06:32,960
and we're on slope and every time we get
heavy rains our driveway washes out and

922
01:06:31,359 --> 01:06:36,400
they just like kind of
>> makes us nervous seeing people have to

923
01:06:35,119 --> 01:06:39,680
we're trying to get right
>> just make it more accessible and easier

924
01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:42,480
for people get in and stand safely and
whatever because we deal with that at

925
01:06:41,359 --> 01:06:48,920
our place. That's
>> Anybody think of anything else that we

926
01:06:45,119 --> 01:06:48,920
might want to add?

927
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:51,920
Okay.
>> Got anything, Brenda?

928
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:55,680
» No.
>> No.

929
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:59,760
» Okay. So, those are the five conditions.
You got the

930
01:06:57,280 --> 01:07:05,839
» Yeah. Revised site plan that has the
removal, the turnaround, shows stop

931
01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:09,599
sign, demarks, the handicap parking,
>> and the C permit. There's something with

932
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:14,480
the shed.
>> The shed falls under a different

933
01:07:13,039 --> 01:07:15,920
» You're going to issue a building permit
for that, right?

934
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:21,440
» Correct.
>> Yeah.

935
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:25,960
So the the site the site plan doesn't
>> it's already on the site plan,

936
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:25,960
» correct?

937
01:07:26,799 --> 01:07:33,280
» I al it's also it's a use permit that
I'm issuing essentially.

938
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:36,400
» Yes, that's what I meant.
Even though the site plan it's a buy

939
01:07:34,799 --> 01:07:40,839
rate
accessory on farm deser

940
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:52,400
that's not a DRB issue
>> division authority here.

941
01:07:50,559 --> 01:07:55,400
» Okay. So those are the five. Any further
discussion?

942
01:07:56,240 --> 01:08:04,000
All those in favor? I
>> I

943
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:10,240
» Yep. says yes. Okay, get everything up
and yes, I'm mad at a for giving me four

944
01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:14,880
permits in one night. Wow,
>> and now giving me this stuff ahead of

945
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:18,159
time. So, little strike one.
>> Strike two.

946
01:08:16,719 --> 01:08:23,279
» You know, I've been complimented here
calling her governor and sheriff, you

947
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:28,279
know, and now now
they're

948
01:08:24,480 --> 01:08:28,279
» now they're getting

949
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:32,719
new sheriff in town. All right, you're
good.

950
01:08:31,199 --> 01:08:37,600
» Great. I really appreciate it. All
right.

951
01:08:34,480 --> 01:08:41,120
See, we got a minutes. Do we
>> How do you keep a privilege from eating

952
01:08:39,440 --> 01:08:44,000
again? Oh gosh.
>> BB gun.

953
01:08:41,759 --> 01:08:49,679
» Is that a big problem? Okay. Um let's
see. Strawberries. Our biggest problem

954
01:08:45,839 --> 01:08:53,440
with strawberries are um herbs and it
varies a lot from year to year. Some

955
01:08:51,839 --> 01:08:57,199
years are really bad, some years are
not. Typically once we get a lot of

956
01:08:55,199 --> 01:09:03,199
customers in the field, it's not as bad.
>> Yeah. But the cedar wax wings are they

957
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:07,440
can be really bad. Um I've seen signs of
bear in our field but they don't really

958
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:12,239
I think we just have enough people out
there regularly enough they don't really

959
01:09:09,759 --> 01:09:17,279
they do sweet corn that's a big one bear
and raccoon you know sweet corn. Oh

960
01:09:13,839 --> 01:09:22,560
yeah. Electric fence traps. You know
sometimes we even like on our lease

961
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:28,759
ground right now. I start to leave a
radio on out in the field

962
01:09:25,440 --> 01:09:28,759
and that helps.

963
01:09:28,799 --> 01:09:35,239
» So all kinds of different ways you can
play ACR.

964
01:09:35,759 --> 01:09:42,719
» That's what I'm playing. It works. You
leave the NPR on it.

965
01:09:38,719 --> 01:09:47,359
» Ted's available to our
Ted does side work as a scare.

966
01:09:45,679 --> 01:09:50,359
» Very reasonable.
>> Yeah,

967
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:55,000
» raccoons.

968
01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:59,520
» I think raccoons are one of our biggest.
>> We can sneak that in.

969
01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:02,000
» Yeah, like strawberries.
>> Yeah. And sweet corn.

970
01:10:00,719 --> 01:10:06,880
» Oh, but yeah, but they do eat
strawberries, too. Yeah,

971
01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:09,440
» especially our like because we're we do
other strawberries. We're still picking

972
01:10:08,239 --> 01:10:14,320
strawberries now. We pick strawberries
from the last week of May until November

973
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:19,040
because late season varieties that day
neutral varieties and those really get

974
01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:23,440
hit by the raccoons.
>> Good stuff. Good.

975
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:28,560
» My guys, they're pretty good at
Yeah. Yeah. The guys that work for me,

976
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:32,800
they take care of a trap and they should
Yeah. Good dog, too.

977
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:37,199
» Yeah. Right.
All right.

978
01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:40,880
» Everybody had a look at the the minutes.
>> Yep.

979
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:43,199
» I I didn't see anything myself.
>> Nothing either.

980
01:10:41,679 --> 01:10:46,480
» Looks good.
>> Everyone in the minutes? Everyone will

981
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:48,239
get present. Who is in the minutes?
>> Yeah.

982
01:10:47,199 --> 01:10:50,640
» Did you get a look at the minutes,
Brenda?

983
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:55,840
» Yep.
>> Okay. Any any changes?

984
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:59,679
» Nope. I would like to comment that
that's probably the shortest formal

985
01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:06,000
meeting we've had.
>> Yeah. So, it's me, Rebecca, Ted, Dale,

986
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:12,239
Ron, and Brenda.
So, um, move that we approve the August

987
01:11:09,199 --> 01:11:14,239
11 minutes as written.
>> Second.

988
01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:17,360
» All those in favor?
>> I

989
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:23,679
» Yes.
>> All right. Unanimous. And we can sneak

990
01:11:20,159 --> 01:11:27,120
Ted in as uh scarecrow monitor under
condition. I think that Yeah. Are we

991
01:11:26,719 --> 01:11:30,400
good?
>> Yeah. Do you just like make a little

992
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:33,600
asteris?
>> You better catch me. You better catch me

993
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:37,800
pretty quick because I'm going to the
barber tomorrow.

994
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:37,800
» All right.