[0:03] the whole sle.
[0:07] » Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> All right. So,
[0:13] we have our form. We do.
>> Hey,
[0:20] » all right.
Meeting will come to order. This is the
[0:25] September 8th, 2026 meeting of the
Bristol Development Review Board. Uh
[0:31] there any changes or adjustments to the
agenda?
[0:35] » Uh I just have a minor one. I have a I
have a I have a typo. Uh it's permit 26
[0:40] 402, not 403
item.
[0:44] » Okay.
>> Item 3A.
[0:45] » Yeah. All right. Good.
>> And that's any other
[0:51] issues with the agenda? Okay. Seeing
none, we'll move on. Uh, old business.
[0:56] First up is permit number 26-402.
Daniel Marian Boyd, Lower Notch Road,
[1:03] parcel number 060280.21,
[1:07] requesting final plat review subdivision
subject to the Bristol UDR section 930-
[1:16] 939.
All right. Who's wait who's here for the
[1:22] applicant?
>> Dan.
[1:25] » No.
>> Hello. There has been a present. Should
[1:31] be presentation.
>> Me.
[1:33] » Okay. Raise your right hand please. You
solemnly swear affirm that
[1:38] development review board should be the
truth. The whole truth nothing but the
[1:40] truth.
>> I do.
[1:41] » Thank you. Okay. So,
um, geez, how long ago did we see this
[1:48] first sketch?
Uh while
[1:51] » 6 weeks ago or a couple months
>> April 28th
[1:55] » was it?
>> April
[1:56] » I wasn't
>> No before then.
[1:59] » No
>> no no it was
[2:01] » okay. So not as long as I thought
>> I can get back to I told
[2:06] » So we have a we have a two lot
subdivision.
[2:09] Uh you're carving out the back two
acres. What's what uh
[2:14] what district are we in AC? Uh, it's two
districts, but majority majority of it
[2:20] is in RA2. And there's a little I see
this little corner there.
[2:25] » Yep. Road.
>> So, most of it's RA2,
[2:29] » right?
>> And, uh,
[2:33] in RA2, the minimum lot size
>> is 2 acre. Uh, so we've got lot one, 3.2
[2:42] acres. Lot two, two acres.
existing house on lot one off the Lord
[2:49] to the existing drive.
Uh we've got a drilled well on lot one.
[2:55] » No, no water source yet on lot two.
Right.
[2:58] » Correct.
>> So you're not sharing a well on lot one?
[3:01] » No.
>> Okay.
[3:02] » And it's going to be an undeveloped
water as long as I know.
[3:05] » Okay. And and so septic is a s you got
onsite septic that serves the house a
[3:12] lot more.
>> Yes.
[3:14] » Yeah. and and nothing uh no test kits or
anything yet. I want to
[3:20] so if it were to be developed someday,
you're going to have to have the water
[3:24] sources with a permit over there.
>> Someone will have to
[3:27] » Someone will have to. Um
[3:32] then you've got fronted on Carlston Road
for lot two. What's the status with the
[3:37] curb cut approved? Okay. So select board
approved the curb cut. Uh you have a
[3:44] date card.
[3:53] The date was of
[4:04] uh July 13.
[4:11] And is will the select for approved for
the circus that shown on the plan here?
[4:16] » Y okay.
[4:25] » And this says the plan is that we're
looking at is from Larose survey. It's
[4:31] dated August 10,
2026.
[4:35] Round the rose.
[4:39] Yeah.
[4:48] So the legend for our signature looks
like fades.
[4:53] We have some up in the upper left.
>> Yeah. The other thing I would say is
[5:00] that it just says xxx.
>> Yeah, I know. But that could be but at
[5:06] least it's it's
um we've been having some variation in
[5:12] what we're seeing there. Okay. Any
questions from
[5:17] » the board?
>> I don't
[5:19] think we had many to begin with. All
pretty straight. Just the access.
[5:23] » Yep.
All right. Seeing none, uh I'll move
[5:28] that we approve uh this two lot
subdivision as set forth on the August
[5:34] 10, 2026 plat um prepared by Ron La
Rose.
[5:40] » Second.
>> All right. All those in favor?
[5:46] » Brenda is a yes as well. Okay,
you're good.
[5:50] » All right.
>> We'll get a we'll get a decision out.
[5:55] Yeah.
>> Um
[6:01] it's very
[6:06] happen. So
>> and within 180 days from today, you need
[6:11] to have the final myar recorded in the L
records.
[6:16] » Okay.
>> Yes. So I I can get the myar any time
[6:19] now
and I can in 30 days I can get it in
[6:25] there
>> uh within 180 days from approval.
[6:28] » Yeah, I'm asking 30 because I had to
file it for 6 months. So October 30th.
[6:34] » I mean you could submit it tomorrow.
It's within
[6:38] » I thought I had to wait for the 30 days.
>> No no submit. That's that's before the
[6:42] permit is final. Um, so you can you can
have it basically presented.
[6:50] We have to meet
at a future meeting. We'll look at the
[6:56] plaque, the myar,
>> right?
[6:58] » To make sure that it conforms with what
we approve.
[7:01] » Yeah.
>> Then I sign it. The board a and I sign
[7:06] it and then it gets recorded.
>> And that's what gets submitted though,
[7:09] right? Or or I can submit beforehand and
they'll give you the
[7:13] » beautiful. Yeah. So, that'll happen at a
future meeting.
[7:16] » Yep.
>> You know, as long as it's 180 days is
[7:20] the dead you got. So, as long as you're
in front of that, you're okay.
[7:24] » Yes.
>> Yeah. Like you could again, you could
[7:27] submit it to the clerk tomorrow
>> if you have it printed and ready to go.
[7:31] I will just note that you want to have
those X's in front of the
[7:36] » these X's to Yeah,
>> this is on the signature. It should have
[7:43] what the number
>> Bristol
[7:47] » approved by the resolution of the
Bristol board. He does this for various
[7:51] towns, but it needs to say
>> needs to say Bristol and and then we're
[7:56] good. Everything else looks fine.
>> Now, is it the myar and three copies or
[8:01] is it just the myar?
>> Just the myar.
[8:03] » Just says three copies alone.
>> Yeah.
[8:05] » Okay.
>> There's some paper. We don't need to cut
[8:09] down that many trees.
>> Great.
[8:11] All right.
>> Thank you very much.
[8:13] » You're welcome. Next item on the agenda,
continuation of permit number 26-302.
[8:21] Uh Ronald, Joanne, Brian, and Kevin
Hill, Mon Road, parcel number 030163.12,
[8:30] requesting conditional use for review
for the construction of farmworker
[8:34] housing subject to
ER regulations
[8:38] 508.
Um,
[8:42] who's here for the elephant?
>> I have shed an elephant.
[8:49] » Why not? Makes it easy. I sat here.
[8:55] » Well,
now you're now you're invited.
[9:01] » You're just premature.
>> All right. So, can you raise your right
[9:05] hand, please?
>> Sure. Do you have do you solemnly swear
[9:07] or affirm that the evidence you shall
give before this development review
[9:10] board should be the truth? The whole
truth nothing but the truth.
[9:12] » I do.
>> Thank you. All right. Tell us tell me
[9:15] your name again.
>> Uh I'll spell it first cuz AJ
[9:20] N I N's
Hill obviously that's you don't know.
[9:24] » Okay. So you want to uh walk us through
uh the proposal please?
[9:28] » Um well of course I build it permit. Um,
so we're just putting up essentially
[9:33] just a double wide trailer. Um, that
will be set up to take care of what
[9:39] really is becoming a much bigger growing
beef herd.
[9:42] » Let's uh hold on. I'm pulling up. Let's
wait for Daisy to get it up on the
[9:45] screen. It's a one.
>> Yes, it is.
[9:50] Let's one I have loses some of its
um integrity. If you scan it, it gets
[10:00] fuzzy.
>> Yeah. So about all those little lines.
[10:05] » And this is all the contour lines
screwed up.
[10:07] » Yep. They just get a little wonky and
hard to read.
[10:15] » All right.
Okay.
[10:21] So what are we in? Are we in R5? R. Yes.
[10:36] So in RA5
uh one of the conditional uses is
[10:43] farm worker housing. Don't ask me why.
>> We have the same question on zoning.
[10:50] » FBI
just this came in and I were talking
[10:54] about it. But I said it's conditional
use really. And apparently at least in I
[11:00] don't know if it shows up in the other
uh districts. Uh but for right now
[11:04] anyway it's a conditional use. Um seems
kind of funny to me and it may be
[11:09] something that the PC planning
commission deals with down the road.
[11:13] Sometimes these things get picked up
from other places and just repeated and
[11:17] nobody really focuses you know. So
probably change. Yeah. This is the first
[11:23] I've been I've been on this board
forever and uh never had. No, never
[11:28] ever. So, and I don't know what it used
to say in our ranks before this version.
[11:32] I don't know if that's new or it's been
there lurking forever, but but here we
[11:36] are.
>> So, uh
[11:41] » your your your property's out on what
road are we off here? We Mon Road.
[11:44] » Monton Road. Yeah.
>> So, this is my driveway.
[11:47] » Yeah. And then
>> Monton Road's over here.
[11:49] » It's over here. Yes.
>> Yeah. Yeah. So you're on the east side
[11:51] of the room.
>> This is my house. That's the barn.
[11:54] » Yeah.
>> And then the double wid's going roughly
[11:56] here. It is. We are angling it to match
this house cuz that's a aesthetic thing.
[12:02] » Yeah. Yep. Sure.
>> If I have to look at it, it can't be I
[12:04] don't know that on angle.
>> So it is be slightly turned and then
[12:08] everything else is really what they drew
for the water.
[12:11] » What's the story for your What's the
current status for your waste water?
[12:15] » And we have the permit.
>> You got the permit and and you're
[12:17] drilling a well for it or is it going to
share a well? No, everything's going to
[12:20] come off our house. The water, the
power. We're just We're just attaching
[12:24] it.
>> And so So it's a it's a threebedroom
[12:28] single family residence.
>> It's a Yes. It's a It's manufactured. We
[12:32] were guessing somewhere between 1990 and
2000.
[12:35] » Yeah. But it's one family.
>> One family.
[12:38] » Okay. I don't know why I was thinking,
>> but that threebedroom usage comes off
[12:42] your system.
>> No, that's No, it gets its own septic.
[12:45] » Oh, okay. All right. We tried. Hey, how
many bedrooms you're in there? Okay. All
[12:49] right.
>> We tried that. We didn't get that zone.
[12:52] We already had that permit. We knew we
we knew we weren't going to be able to
[12:54] figure out a capacity.
>> Okay.
[12:57] » In our own.
>> And that's why there's a isolation zone
[13:00] around. This is your
>> There's a well. Yes, that's a well
[13:02] there.
>> That's your Is that the well for your
[13:04] house or is that okay?
>> We use it for there. Um it actually goes
[13:07] both directions. It goes from here
actually goes back across the road to my
[13:10] sister-in-law's house as back up.
>> And so it's going to feed this new house
[13:13] as well. The well is
>> Yes. But it's going to come through my
[13:16] house first.
>> Okay.
[13:19] So, you've got a wastewater permit to
put this house.
[13:22] I'm sorry.
>> Yes.
[13:23] » A water supply permit to have this house
coming off of this well?
[13:28] » No, I I did not. We literally We
literally done a conduit from here to
[13:34] there. Okay.
>> One for the water, one for the I mean,
[13:36] if it I guess if this is okay to feed my
house, why wouldn't it be okay to feed
[13:40] that?
>> Well, it's
[13:43] » you're going to want to check.
>> I mean, the water's been tested. I mean,
[13:47] I know, but I'm not sure that it is. I
mean, that well only gives so much
[13:50] water.
>> Yeah.
[13:51] » Like 40 pounds.
>> Yeah. But I mean, that's that's still a
[13:54] state permit.
>> But when you Yeah. What if
[13:56] » Well, we had a state permit to get the
well put in originally, right?
[14:00] » But but now, Right. So, you need to look
at the new wastewater permit you got for
[14:06] this house, this new house.
>> On the back side of that, it's the water
[14:12] portable water supply permit is usually
attached.
[14:15] » Oh. Um, do you have that here at AC? Is
that something?
[14:20] » But it look I mean probably already I've
already just think it's waste water, you
[14:26] know, and then and
[14:29] » drinking water. So drinking water.
[14:42] Yeah.
[14:45] All right. There's your authorization
right there.
[14:47] » Oh, there we go.
>> See, you had it all along.
[14:49] » Well, I that's what I that's what we pay
the big bucks for.
[14:53] » Okay. So, we've got uh we got a
All right. So, you've got a water supply
[14:58] and a wastewater permit.
>> Yes.
[15:00] » Uh for the new house.
>> Um
[15:09] how big is this piece of property, AC?
Do you know?
[15:12] » I don't know. It depends on how you look
at it. I mean, it's technically three
[15:15] pieces of property that we purchased
over the years. There's three deeds, but
[15:19] that particular one
>> where the where the house is going to
[15:22] sit, is it is that different from the
house the lot that you sit on?
[15:26] » That is all the same. I don't know
exactly where that line is. I'd have
[15:29] we'd have to bring it up on the website,
but
[15:32] » um this is if you look on up here, the
the property that's
[15:36] » it's that whole big piece. Correct. Yes,
a little over 112 plus or minus acres.
[15:43] » Okay.
>> In total,
[15:51] » the only reason I can understand
farmworker housing mean conditional use
[15:56] is allowing similar to PUB provisions
allowing extra dwellings on one. Well,
[16:03] it actually it actually perpetuates
which was the historical norm the the
[16:08] herdsman trailer, you know, you know,
right on the farm property next to the
[16:12] farmhouse.
>> Mhm.
[16:18] » Not to say it needs the density.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yes.
[16:23] Y
>> so uh but it does it doesn't discuss
[16:28] farm worker housing any place else other
than putting it on this list as far as I
[16:32] know.
Does it show up any place else as far as
[16:36] substantive regs and doesn't show up in
350 to 358 or conditional use part?
[16:41] » Nope. Uh the only place it shows up
other than in the districts is in the
[16:45] definition.
>> Yeah. Well, we should at least pay a
[16:50] little attention to that.
[16:53] So we can find a compliance.
So
[16:58] » and if it wasn't farm worker housing,
>> would we be able to allow another uh u
[17:06] residence to be built on the lot?
>> No. Unless it was exe unless it was an
[17:12] qualified as an accessory dwelling unit,
>> an ADR and it would depend on size and
[17:17] all of that and the main house. So
>> yeah.
[17:19] » Um but So this is a this is a unique
situation that you know we can allow
[17:25] this because it's farm worker housing.
>> Right.
[17:28] » Okay.
>> Right. And and it stays that way. You
[17:31] know if you if you go out of production
don't have a farm worker anymore. That's
[17:37] » I don't I don't I don't think that's a
problem.
[17:39] » Yeah. I know. But you can't change your
mind and rent it out.
[17:43] » Correct. No. There's no intention of
renting it out. It would not be that
[17:46] close to my house if I was going to rent
it. So farmworker housing is defined as
[17:50] any living quarters, dwelling, boarding
house, bunk house or other housing
[17:54] accommodations maintained exclusively
for the occupancy of farm employees and
[17:59] their families in connection with a farm
or a place where farming is undertaken.
[18:04] So this is going to be uh resided in by
one of your farm workers.
[18:08] » Correct.
>> Okay.
[18:11] That's about all I can find in their
eggs for I know it's I mean it makes
[18:15] sense because you see a lot of we see
plenty of properties come in that have
[18:18] an old trailer on it that used to be a
farm
[18:20] » and so this is this is dealing with that
issue because it gets around the problem
[18:25] of one one primary building per lot
>> and
[18:29] residential anyway.
Okay. Any uh questions for Shannon?
[18:37] » You've been your name your whole life,
haven't you?
[18:39] » My whole life. Yes. It's easier
to spell.
[18:43] » It's her birthday today. We'll give her
a break.
[18:45] » Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, see, look, I I
already started with the S.
[18:49] » Yeah, everybody does.
>> Any other questions?
[18:55] » We covered in that permit.
>> Yeah. Um, and I don't feel particular
[18:59] burning need to go through the
conditional use factors. It's farm
[19:03] worker housing and rural five is going
to meet all the conditional use uh
[19:07] » uh criteria. So, I prefer to make a
motion to approve it and move on.
[19:12] » Okay.
>> Second.
[19:15] » Any other discussion?
All those in favor of a conditional use
[19:20] approval for this farmworker housing uh
proposal
[19:26] say I.
>> Any opposed?
[19:29] » Brenda. Brenda's in. Brenda's in.
>> Okay. Thank you, Shannon. Uh, we'll get
[19:35] a we'll get it written out and and uh
I'll give you a thumb tomorrow. Is that
[19:41] a thing?
>> Okay. Yeah, I wouldn't worry about it.
[19:43] They're about to start dropping the
board.
[19:45] » Okay. Yeah.
>> Yeah. I saw everybody everybody's either
[19:49] getting last cut of hay in or I've seen
the choppers heading out.
[19:52] » Y now.
>> They're dropping.
[19:54] » Yeah.
>> All right. Well, thanks. See you next
[20:00] Tuesday. See
you later.
[20:05] » It's a really awesome workshop that I've
been organizing.
[20:09] » I'll take your word for it. All right.
New business. Uh permit number 26-054.
[20:16] Jeff and Mary Stson, Pine Street, parcel
205129,
[20:21] requesting conditional use review for
alteration of a nonconforming porch
[20:27] subject to BDR 350-
UFDA and 411.
[20:34] All right, we've got something. Who's
coming up? Jeff, Mary, one up to you.
[20:42] » Scissors, paper, rock. You lost.
>> I did. All right. Secondly,
[20:48] the evidence you shall give before this
development view board swear affirm that
[20:52] the you shall give before this
development view the truth the whole
[20:55] truth be nothing but the truth.
>> I do.
[20:57] » Thank you. How you doing?
>> Good. How are you?
[20:59] » All right. So, um
>> so we've got 411 which deal Well, first
[21:07] tell us what the proposal is, I guess.
Walk us through. So, we're renovating
[21:11] our what we've decided is going to be
our forever house and putting a a master
[21:17] bedroom on the first floor. And
>> is that this?
[21:20] » We're looking at this now. We've done
some renovations. Got it.
[21:23] » And currently we have a just a stoop
that comes out 8 ft from the front of
[21:29] the house to front door
>> and it's basically 8 by 8. We would like
[21:35] to make it take that stoop down and just
put a nice still just eight feet out
[21:40] from the house with a full front porch
across the whole front of the house.
[21:46] » Okay.
>> And that's
[21:47] » So you're you're basically putting an
addition on the front.
[21:52] » Yes.
>> Is it enclosed?
[21:53] » No, just a just a porch with posts open.
>> The current the current was just a
[21:58] stoop.
>> Yeah. You mean you meant
[22:00] » the new Why is it considered an addition
if it's just an open porch?
[22:05] » Because it's going to be wider and
bigger and enclosed.
[22:08] » Well, it's not going to be enclosed.
>> That
[22:11] » all right.
>> This is Well, I have two permits. One's
[22:14] already been approved for
the main floor where I have the bedroom.
[22:20] » Okay.
>> Going to be here.
[22:22] » Okay.
>> But because our porch is closer than 41t
[22:26] from the center of the road. Yeah,
>> I had to apply for the conditional use
[22:32] piece to make it bigger.
>> H see you
[22:37] » non-conforming.
[22:40] I'm just thinking about the we we like
did
[22:44] » Yeah, I know that's that's 4411, but why
why are we talking about conditional use
[22:49] » for the the existing stoop is 31 plus or
minus feet from the line of the road
[22:55] which is not the set back for the front
yard is 40.
[22:58] » Yeah, but it's got to do conditional use
>> because that's
[23:03] the provisions that Oh. Oh, that part.
Yep.
[23:08] » Unless approved initially.
>> No. So, it's basically
[23:13] this is like the one we did for Belarus.
>> Yeah. Over.
[23:16] » Yeah. That's why I was saying it didn't
close.
[23:19] » Yeah. And and so I forgot that we That's
another thing. We got to get the scene
[23:24] to change.
>> I know. Shannon, get back here.
[23:28] » Is Shannon PC?
>> Oh, okay.
[23:32] Well, I bet there's a change coming.
>> Oh, yeah.
[23:36] All right. So, let me just refresh my
memory on uh 411 here. So,
[23:44] for the other board members, the current
porch is 31 plus or minus feet from the
[23:49] road center line. Uh the HDR front yard
set I was going to say HDR, right?
[23:55] » Yep. HDR front yard setback requirement
is 40T. Um it's an accessory porch on
[24:01] the house. Um,
so expanding it or enlarging it, making
[24:09] it any different is something I can't
approve because it does not meet the
[24:13] front yard setbacks, but we basically
have waiver authority essentially.
[24:18] » Um, so HDR
>> even though it matches the current
[24:24] setback,
>> but you're right, but you're
[24:27] » you're expanding it to the size you are
changing. You're extending the
[24:31] nonconformity.
>> Yeah, you're extending the
[24:33] nonconformity,
>> but not enlarging the non this case.
[24:38] » Well, nor
>> right because you're not coming closer
[24:42] closer to
>> but there's more there's more
[24:44] non-conforming of space than there would
be.
[24:47] » Yes. So, yeah.
>> Front yard set back 40 ft uh from the
[24:55] uh
road center line in the HDR.
[24:59] All right. So,
we have findings to consider. Does
[25:05] anybody while I'm looking at those, does
anybody have questions for Jeff?
[25:10] » How far? I'm just saying the 8 ft out.
How long are you going to make it?
[25:14] » The full length of the house, which is
40T.
[25:19] » The full front.
>> The full front house. The south side.
[25:23] » 40 ft.
>> Yeah.
[25:24] » Not going out. Just going out 8t to
where you are right now.
[25:28] » Yes. Yeah. not getting any closer on the
road.
[25:30] » And the one that there's now is what? 31
feet.
[25:33] » Yes, sir.
>> So, you only had nine feet.
[25:36] » I'm 9 ft short of the 40t, right?
>> Oh, wait. No, the current one.
[25:41] » But but the
>> current front soup is 8 by 8,
[25:44] » right?
>> Oh, it's 8 by8.
[25:45] » It's 8 by 8 and it would expand.
>> Drive by there all the time.
[25:49] » Yeah.
>> Yeah.
[25:56] » Okay. So it's going to be basically
across the full front of the house.
[26:01] » Yes.
>> 8 ft out
[26:03] » is the is the prop proposal.
>> Uh so it it is an extension
[26:09] u of the nonconformity or enlargement of
the nonconformity. So we h we have to
[26:16] specifically approve it to
to allow us. We've done this a few
[26:22] times. We had the
>> this happens all the time in the village
[26:26] because the village lots predated zoning
and there's an awful lotforming.
[26:32] » There's an awful lot of non-conforming
lots. This is uh
[26:36] » something we regularly do and it's
our current regulations are better than
[26:43] the previous iteration. We used to have
to look around the ne the immediate
[26:47] neighborhood and see whether there were
already other encroachments in the in
[26:52] the setback and we don't have to do you
know and sometimes there weren't
[26:55] sometimes there weren't. It was kind of
silly. We don't have to do that anymore.
[26:58] We can uh just consider it uh on its on
its merits because it's it's a real
[27:03] common common issue in the HDR. So
that's the only thing before us right
[27:08] now is the is the porch the enlargement
of the porch.
[27:12] » Correct. Um
>> the
[27:16] yeah it's just that there was a master
bedroom renovation aspect to the permit
[27:22] but that being within setbacks
um I approved that permit.
[27:27] » Okay. Yeah. So that's that's because
>> in the conforming part of the house
[27:31] changing yes
>> the note the note here is that explains
[27:35] that
[27:39] » the house meets the 40ft setback. Yeah.
The porch does not.
[27:43] » Yeah. No, there's a Vermont Supreme
Court case on exactly this issue that
[27:47] the stuff that happens back there
>> isn't affected by something like like
[27:52] this. the there's no uh there's no issue
with
[27:58] permitting something that's permitted by
the regs because you've got a
[28:02] non-conformity out front.
>> Mhm.
[28:06] » In marriage
um
[28:11] comes up a lot.
Let's see.
[28:16] So two, three,
four,
[28:21] five don't apply. So it's really just
we're looking at just just approving
[28:25] this subject to our conditional use
authority. Anybody have any further
[28:30] questions for Jeff on this? Seems pretty
straightforward. So
[28:35] » just a
>> covered portrait.
[28:39] » Yes. Y
>> but not enclosed.
[28:41] » Not enclosed. Just covered.
>> Good for sitting on. Oh yeah. Well,
[28:47] » good for sitting on it.
>> That's our goal is to have our coffee
[28:51] out there in the morning and say hello
to everybody walking by.
[28:54] » I can see the hammock right now. Not the
hammock. I'm not in the chair.
[29:01] » All right. Um I'll move that we approve
the application to uh uh extend the
[29:08] existing porch on the front to the full
length of the house. um measuring out 8
[29:14] ft from the house. So there will be an
8x40
[29:18] porch on the front of the house. That's
the motion.
[29:22] » Second.
>> Any further discussion?
[29:26] All those in favor?
>> Brenda.
[29:29] » I
>> Yes.
[29:31] » Stson are free.
>> Okay.
[29:33] » Enjoy your coffee.
[29:40] ones like
>> No, ours is like fold or something.
[29:44] » Well, this could say Sanka is it's not
free. It's not
[29:50] » No, no, we got the Mr. Coffee machine.
>> That's good enough.
[29:55] » Thank you.
>> Is there anything else I need to do?
[29:59] » You just have to wait for a decision to
come in. Yeah, but I can issue the the
[30:02] zoning permit tomorrow. But now that
there's been commission, there's
[30:05] approval. Correct.
>> The permit,
[30:10] » the building permit or wait until
>> No, you got to wait.
[30:12] » Okay,
>> good.
[30:14] » I'll reach out to you then.
>> All right.
[30:16] » Thank you.
>> See?
[30:20] All right. One more. All right. Next up,
permit 26-503,
[30:26] Steven Park, North 116 Road, parcel
070101.
[30:32] Site plan review for development of an
accessory.
[30:36] Accessory what?
>> Onfarm business.
[30:38] » Oh, that's all. Okay. I thought that was
a mixing word there. An accessory on
[30:43] business. Onfarm business presented to
UDR
[30:47] 390 96 and 610.
Who tell us who you are?
[30:53] » I'm Steven Park.
>> Okay, Stephen, can you raise your right
[30:56] hand, please?
>> You sound so swear that the or affirm
[31:00] that the evidence you shall give before
this development review board should be
[31:03] the truth, the whole truth, and nothing
but the truth.
[31:06] » Hey, four for four. I want you to notice
[31:12] paying attention.
>> Give me some credit. Four for myself
[31:16] » and without hesitation.
>> Yeah.
[31:20] You think it was like a New Year's
resolution or something? You're going to
[31:23] be out of a job,
>> right? So, you want to uh walk us
[31:27] through your proposals?
>> Yeah, Brenda.
[31:29] » Brenda's got a question.
>> I just want I just wanted to ask this
[31:34] seems to be a farm connected
um
[31:39] project. Why why are we why are we
considering it?
[31:46] » Yeah. Um so agriculture is generally
exempt but state statute does give
[31:52] municipalities the authority to um
regulate some aspects of farming related
[31:59] to the commercial aspects. So they
recognize
[32:02] » is exempt
>> like the farm store.
[32:05] » Yeah. So, but like a a farm stand, a
farm store, uh if someone was doing
[32:10] events at the farm that involve berry
picking, those would all be like
[32:15] accessory to the actual exempt
agriculture.
[32:18] But
>> yeah, so we we don't have any authority
[32:21] to tell people how to farm, but there
you're doing something related that's to
[32:27] it that involves location, traffic,
those kinds of things, the town still
[32:32] has a say.
>> Okay. Thank you.
[32:35] » It's and it's we've got a whole section
on it. Section 610.
[32:44] » Um and I actually received this morning
um a letter from Brett
[32:49] uh Laorose. Brett Lorose um and he
reviewed he reviewed this application
[32:55] and um
[33:00] uh endorses endorses the application.
>> Okay. So, Stephen, you want to walk us
[33:05] through the
>> Yeah.
[33:06] » proposal? You can up on the screen
there, I think.
[33:09] » So, um, we just purchased property. Um,
>> this is you, right?
[33:14] » About a month ago.
>> Yeah. Okay.
[33:16] » Um,
>> what road is this?
[33:18] » Uh, North 116.
>> Okay. North 116.
[33:21] » This is Randy Russell's property.
>> Oh, I was going to say, you know, that
[33:24] kind of looks like
>> I've seen that before.
[33:27] » Yeah. Yeah.
>> All right. So, which part did you buy?
[33:30] » So, we purchased the homestead. So all
of the farmland and then there's also
[33:35] some of the forest that
>> some So you got a bunch of the conserved
[33:37] land as long as but you've got both
sides of the road here for the
[33:42] buildings. Yes.
>> Okay.
[33:44] » All right. Well, we are I might even say
intimately familiar with this with this
[33:50] familiar certainly. Maybe intimately.
Okay.
[33:53] » Yeah. Well, we worked for two years to
buy it. So
[33:56] » yeah,
>> I think we worked for two years to
[33:59] approve it by the time it got finalized,
which is might maybe why it took you two
[34:02] years to buy it.
>> Um, so tell us what you're going to do
[34:06] here.
>> Yeah. So um um so we already
[34:10] operate Monton as a a vegetable farm,
farm stand, whatever. We do a lot of
[34:14] pick your own stuff. We're expanding
kind of moving our a lot of our
[34:17] operations here for better soil reasons.
Um, and so what what we will plan on
[34:24] having, you see the the red roof barn
here. Yeah, that's the newer barn. Um,
[34:29] and we're going to use a portion of it.
This um,
[34:33] » it exists. It exists or it's got to be
built.
[34:35] » It exists.
>> Okay.
[34:36] » Um, we're going to use the north end of
it.
[34:39] » Yep.
>> Um, for um, farm stand.
[34:42] » Okay.
>> And um, and then I was planning on
[34:46] building out a shed roof off the end as
well for the entrance. Um,
[34:50] » and yeah, so we're also working with the
highway department to get approval for
[34:55] widening this road. We're gonna have to
remove at least one of the barns for now
[34:59] to do that.
>> You started working with AOT on that
[35:02] because it's 116.
>> Exactly.
[35:04] » Yeah.
>> We've got a permit in for that. Um,
[35:06] » it's pending or it's been received.
>> It's been received. It's been
[35:10] » They haven't They haven't They haven't
issued it yet.
[35:12] » No.
>> Okay.
[35:14] » U, but I worked with them quite a bit on
it and
[35:16] » Yep. Um and so yeah, so um we're going
to widen that out. We're going to have
[35:22] farm stand there. Then the rest of the
building is used for like kind of our
[35:26] wash space and walking coolers and shop
space and stuff.
[35:30] » Um
>> so it's a farm stand to sell
[35:32] » product that you've grown here or Yeah.
What what are you going to be growing?
[35:36] Looks like
>> we grow a lot of strawberries. That's a
[35:38] big but we grow wide variety of
everything. So Okay. Um
[35:41] » yeah, all all the all the vegetables.
>> All right. Um um we're already they're
[35:46] already planted at next year strawberry
field over here green houses right now.
[35:51] Um and so um yeah so I think um
some of the
[35:59] biggest issues I think like so parking
is one thing. Um we're kind of
[36:05] our our business um we have kind of like
a um a real peak season in June
[36:14] especially with strawberries. Um yeah.
So I mean we're open like our current
[36:19] farm stand is open from um like late
April until uh November. Um here at
[36:25] least next year we're probably going to
be waiting till June to open. Um but um
[36:30] that like the month of June when we are
have our strawberry picking is kind of
[36:35] our really busy season and that's when
we really need extra parking. Um and so
[36:41] our plan for now, you know, because we
just taken over and there's um um for
[36:47] next year, this area here we're planning
on having as kind of a grass parking
[36:53] area and that might very well be our
long-term plan as well if it works out
[36:57] well. Mhm.
>> Um, plus any parking along this, you
[37:00] know, here and here.
>> Yeah, you sure can't park on 116.
[37:03] » No. No.
>> You have play there.
[37:07] » This area is this play.
>> No, that's I wouldn't be buy.
[37:12] That's the reason I bought this
[37:17] » didn't tell that.
>> No, no, I wouldn't buy something far.
[37:23] Um, so yeah. No, it's very well drained.
Um um and so and so you're anticipating
[37:30] you're going to be able to use this
parking space where on a rainy day.
[37:35] » Yes. And um um we're going to get grass
seated on it right away. Um I know next
[37:40] year, you know, we'll see how well it
stand, but it's like the soil type there
[37:45] is Adam's lonely sand, which is an
excessively drained sand. So it's Yeah,
[37:50] the water wet should not be a problem.
Yeah,
[37:54] » we have a lot of experience with parking
lot clay in our fields.
[37:58] So, a couple of questions about access
to the property, sir. Okay.
[38:02] » Okay. So, what I heard you say is that
on the north end, you've talked to um
[38:08] AOT and you were going to take some
buildings down and that's going to be
[38:11] the primary exit and entrance point for
retail. Yes.
[38:18] » Okay. And then if we move to the south,
you've got a farm access road. Is that a
[38:23] new curse cut from the state and is that
going to be are people going to be using
[38:28] that to access the property?
>> No, they're not. So that's um
[38:32] » we're going to add the reason for that
is and yes, that's part of our permit
[38:37] with the highway department.
Um that's so that
[38:42] » because so this is a large field here
below you can't see but and so that I
[38:47] can access has farm equipment
>> directly across rather than having to
[38:51] come down the road and retail area.
>> Um we're going to put a road in just in
[38:57] that in fact part of our
>> to say it on here.
[39:04] » Yeah. There'll there'll be like a um no
you know uh do not enter sign and stuff
[39:10] right there. So no customers will be
accessing right there. That's just for
[39:13] farm equipment.
>> So what do what have our great
[39:19] » say? Does that answer your question?
>> Well it does because I was I mean
[39:23] there's several things on here which
>> yeah is beyond our preview is is this
[39:28] whole pedestrian thing about people
crossing the road and warning signs. I
[39:31] mean
>> yeah. So that's all and that was because
[39:33] I was working on this for the for AOT.
So I just kind of left it on the map.
[39:38] » Well, I think that isn't our preview.
This is site plan review and traffic
[39:41] control and pedestrian controls part of
it.
[39:44] » Yeah,
>> we can't control the access way, but I
[39:46] think we can weigh in on that.
>> So there what they've told me they and
[39:50] he one came out um Ed came out to look
at it
[39:54] » and they he felt like it was no problem.
It's there's you know it is busy road
[39:59] but there's really good sight right
there.
[40:02] long distance and and we're going to put
in
[40:05] » signage and possibly even I know
currently where we are, you know, when
[40:11] when we're
>> very busy, we do have like a parking
[40:15] attendant and I'm thinking if we feel
like it's necessary, we'll have somebody
[40:19] there just kind of help just watching
like our like real busy times
[40:24] » just to make sure that people are
>> so people will be crossing this road,
[40:28] you know, to you know to to pick from
their All right. And then coming back
[40:32] over again.
>> Exactly.
[40:34] » And then this is like Oh, I'm sorry to
interrupt.
[40:36] » Do you have any strawberries on this
side of the road?
[40:39] » So currently, and that's the thing is it
moves. It changes where we plant, right?
[40:43] So we have to plan multiple years out.
So currently this north field right here
[40:47] is where is where we've actually already
planted
[40:49] » and so that's next year's picking. Um um
I think the year after that we're
[40:54] actually going to be in this field. Um
and then sometimes down here and that's
[40:58] why so this only one of these pedestrian
crossings would be used in India down
[41:03] here.
Yes.
[41:07] » So I see
>> that that requirement for warning and
[41:11] signs and all that is not part of the
AOT permit. It would be part of it was
[41:16] part of it. So it's written into their
permit or will be in their permit. Um I
[41:22] know that they are going to ask us to
put in these um pedestrian crossing
[41:26] signs. Um um and that I have labeled
here.
[41:31] » Um and so
>> are they making them light up or just
[41:35] » No, we did not say that.
>> So So then I guess I'm trying to learn
[41:41] here, Kevin. So if in fact AOT is thrown
putting it in their permits, does that
[41:47] need to be a condition of ours? We can
we can we can yeah we want to do that we
[41:51] just punt punt to it as a
>> part of the site. Yeah, that just like
[41:55] we do with lots of permits where we say
you have to have a wastewater permit,
[41:59] » right?
>> Same.
[42:01] » Well, it's site plan review and that's
pedestrian safety and traffic safety is
[42:05] part and parcel of site plan review. But
here we have overlapping legal
[42:09] authority,
>> right? And so if the state is actually
[42:12] looking at that, we can just shortcut it
and
[42:17] trust the state to do its job and we can
say that can be a condition that you
[42:21] have to have um permit signage
>> permit for you have to com you know have
[42:26] have a permit for signage and u are they
going to make you strike crossing walks
[42:32] or something like that?
>> No, he he came out and he said that they
[42:35] didn't feel like any of that was
necessary.
[42:37] » Okay. So really, you're just going to
have to put up like pedestrian warning
[42:41] signs basically.
>> Yeah. And then the signs here are just
[42:44] like it'll basically a sign telling
people like stop and cars don't stop for
[42:51] pedestrians, you know, just letting
people know, that's
[42:54] » um but that won't be like something
that's permanent. That'll be like
[42:57] temporary. Um these will be the
permanent ones.
[43:00] » So which ones which ones are permanent?
>> Out here.
[43:03] » Okay.
>> In these approximate locations. Yeah.
[43:06] They're going to let us know exactly
where they
[43:08] » all all the signage that you're putting
putting installing, let's say, they're
[43:13] all reflected on this site plan.
>> Mhm.
[43:16] » Okay. And uh
it's the only Okay.
[43:22] So that's that's easy. Um you know, you
you
[43:27] construct according to the approved site
plan. Um
[43:33] so the barns to be removed. What's the
time frame for that?
[43:36] » So, there's a total of three barns here.
Um,
[43:41] » this little one,
>> that one's falling apart, right? Down.
[43:44] Yeah.
>> So, I'm just going to remove that one
[43:47] right away. This one is going to need
>> the long one.
[43:50] » Mhm. It's going to need to be removed in
order to do this little work. So,
[43:53] » what's the third? What's the other one?
This one.
[43:55] » This one.
>> Oh,
[43:56] » these are separate.
>> Is that a greenhouse?
[43:59] » There you just extension off the back of
this barn.
[44:02] » Oh, I see
>> this one. What's this?
[44:05] » Um, let's see. Oh, you know what? I
didn't
[44:09] The map that I submitted to AOT had a
couple more things on it and I didn't
[44:13] remove that, but I didn't. So, what that
is is they're asking to um remove some
[44:18] of the uh asphalt right there.
>> Oh, so they don't cuz they don't want
[44:22] people parking on it.
>> Exactly.
[44:23] » All right. So, that this depicts an area
where asphalt will be removed.
[44:28] » Exactly. Yeah.
>> Okay. Then
[44:30] » in front of a barn to be taken down.
>> Yeah. Yeah. If you see that kind of
[44:33] Yeah. Exactly where you're
>> All right.
[44:37] » Right. Pull over.
>> Right. So, okay. So, that I know it's
[44:42] like it's a lot of people's pull over
pull over spot right now. So,
[44:46] » okay. So, can one of the things we're
going to want is for you to add in
[44:51] what this rectangle means. The area area
for asphalt removal.
[44:56] » I have a question. the the operation
that you have right now is north of this
[45:01] in Monton.
>> Is your parking and and is that
[45:06] operation also pick your own?
>> Yes.
[45:09] » And
>> well, it won't be in the future though.
[45:11] We're moving all of our pick your own
operation to this location.
[45:14] » But I meant right now history with that.
>> Yeah. 10 years. Yeah.
[45:17] » And is your parking across the street
from where you're doing your picking
[45:22] also?
>> No, it's a very different situation
[45:24] there. Yeah. Um,
>> what's your farm in Monton?
[45:27] » Full belly farm.
>> Your full belly. Okay. Yeah.
[45:31] » Yeah. It's what used to be Norrisberry
Farm.
[45:34] » Yeah.
>> Yeah.
[45:37] » Yeah. It's a very different situation
there. Yeah.
[45:39] » Yeah. Your speed limit's a lot lower and
it's narrower and blah blah blah.
[45:44] » Uh, both better and worse, right? We
>> got a lot of parking problems on our
[45:50] place that I feel like will be resolved
here, but the the busy highway soon.
[45:55] Okay. So, the red arrows are depicting
two-way traffic coming out of the
[45:59] driveway, right?
>> So, is the driveway itself to be
[46:01] enlarged?
>> Yes. So, what we're doing, um, this is
[46:05] » you're taking this barn out.
>> Mhm. And this we're going to expand this
[46:07] to 30 foot wide so that it's
>> of travel way.
[46:12] » Yes. Mhm.
>> Okay.
[46:13] » So, it's nice and wide. Um, makes it,
you know, easy for people to come in and
[46:16] out.
>> That's what it says right here. Yeah.
[46:21] Two-way access. 30 foot.
>> Yeah. right there.
[46:24] » And will that will require fire
approval?
[46:28] » Already got it.
>> Received it today.
[46:32] » No hammerhead or no turnar around.
>> Here's the letter.
[46:37] » Based on that review, the town of
Bristol Fire Department finds that the
[46:39] proposed emergency access road as fixed
on the attached site plan are acceptable
[46:43] for fire apparatus access and
operational use. And
[46:47] » I'm sorry.
>> It's just a straight It's just a
[46:49] straight driveway. There's nothing. I'll
I'll tell you and I apologize, but um I
[46:54] I did add something else to the map when
I sent it to him that wasn't at I'd
[47:00] already given you this one, so it's not
a big change.
[47:03] » Oh, I think I kind I think I know what
you're talking about. I think we talked
[47:06] about it before. I sent you to Brett,
but it's right behind the varness to be
[47:11] removed. You have a turnaround time.
>> Yes, exactly. And I didn't update it on
[47:16] this map. So,
>> and is that what Brett's approved?
[47:18] » Yeah.
>> All right. So, this doesn't show the
[47:20] turnaround.
>> Yeah. Okay, that's got to be fixed.
[47:23] » Yeah, I'll send that same one that I'd
sent to him. And so, that's essentially
[47:27] right here. And what it will be, we will
have signs to keep customers from
[47:32] parking here.
>> Mhm.
[47:33] » And this will be for either delivery
vehicles or as a fire turn.
[47:39] » Yeah. About here. I see this orange.
>> Yes. Exactly. Yep.
[47:43] » That's going to be where the turnaround
is for.
[47:46] » All right. So,
>> yeah. Yeah, I've done a few different
[47:49] versions of the map now.
>> What's the date of the road's approval?
[47:54] » Um,
[47:58] I received it today. It's dated
September 5th. And you've seen Brett's
[48:03] letter.
>> Yes, I received that, too. That's
[48:06] nervous. I wasn't going to see it for a
meeting, but came in today. So,
[48:09] » okay. All right. So, four signs.
So,
[48:16] » at the end of your driveway on the ones,
you have stop signs.
[48:22] » Um, and that's not something the AMT um
suggested. Um, might not be a bad idea,
[48:30] but it's not something that they brought
up. So,
[48:35] I I guess the reason I'm asking is that
people might have more of a tendency to
[48:40] treat it as a driveway.
like you know you're pulling out of
[48:45] somebody's house and you pull up
this might psychologically reinforce
[48:50] something by stopping working before you
>> yeah you're also going to have vehicular
[48:59] and pedestrian traffic coming out of
that one driveway going buses
[49:03] » so not not exactly so the pedestrian if
you look above there's the blue dash
[49:08] light
>> blue dash of pedestrian
[49:09] » oh okay and that's so that they can go
directly across cost. Okay.
[49:14] » Mhm.
>> And not have to Yeah. deal with that.
[49:17] Yeah. Exactly.
>> Speaking of signage, do you have plans
[49:21] to be putting up signage labeling the
farm or
[49:26] » the pick areas or anything like that?
>> So, as far as like on the road, we'll
[49:30] have, you know, um complying just like a
farm sign. Um and then other signage
[49:36] would just be temporary stuff. So like
we, you know, like what we do currently,
[49:41] um, like we might have small real estate
signs saying things that are available
[49:45] time and then on the farm away from the
road, you know, we use a lot of signage
[49:49] to get people where they need to go, you
know, around the farm.
[50:02] So a you've got to
the shed roof edition isn't built yet.
[50:08] » Okay. And remind you what we said about
the orange roof here. It exists or
[50:12] doesn't exist yet?
>> It exists.
[50:14] » Does so you so they'll need a
a building permit for that? But it's
[50:19] part of site plan. I mean it's part of
the layout. So
[50:22] » So we'll need a build permit for
>> add the shed. Mhm.
[50:26] » Do we if it's an ad building
>> or do we just need the
[50:29] » the use permit?
>> It's wrapped into both. Okay. So,
[50:34] essentially your accessory on farm
business permit. Um once you get the
[50:39] Yeah, once you get the site plan
approval, decision letter,
[50:42] » pending approval, not to jump the gun,
>> um I'll then issue the the the use
[50:49] permit and the building permit
>> wrapped in
[50:58] any I assume the answer is no. You've
looked at the parking guidance such as
[51:02] we have. Is there any is there any
metric for us to go by? Uh it's
[51:07] agriculture uses. It's like one per
employee, but they have a proposed 75
[51:13] plus cars parking area plus an
additional uh I would say at least five
[51:20] handicap parking areas.
The
[51:24] So that's all all the parking that the
75 is all sort of laid out in this
[51:29] » exact
>> area. Okay. I think I remember reading
[51:32] that or that um
>> yeah that you can use a grassy field.
[51:38] Yeah, you can you can
>> well draining
[51:41] » the uh
>> Terasan.
[51:43] » Mhm.
>> And behind Terasan those not that they
[51:46] have any people but
>> there's parking there probably for us.
[51:50] Um
yeah, we have a all towns have a parking
[51:54] ordinance and part of their zoning and
certain
[51:58] types of uses there's a metric you know
restaurant number of so many space
[52:03] spaces per number of tables so many
spaces per event of employees in other
[52:08] uses it just doesn't really fit doesn't
apply and sounds like farming is one of
[52:13] those but you got you you got enough
that's for Any
[52:23] questions, Brenda?
>> No, no questions.
[52:28] » Uh,
I have a follow on the raffles.
[52:33] » You're under raffles, correct?
>> Yes. So, yes, we are. Think about that.
[52:40] It's been a while. So we are um still
like under the small farm rule. So yes,
[52:46] but it's not the higher level as like
like we're a dairy farm, a larger farm.
[52:51] » No, but yeah, a large farm operation
versus a small farm.
[52:54] » Yeah, it's small, medium, large, but
>> um yeah,
[53:01] » that's being
conserved like there's the the land
[53:05] trust requirements and working with RCS
and all that.
[53:09] Yes.
>> You also figured considering you're a
[53:12] farm in Monton, you would also have been
under those pools in Monton.
[53:18] » Will people be coming in here to
purchase or pick anything other than
[53:23] strawberries?
>> Um, currently that will be our only
[53:26] thing. Um, if we So, we'd like to grow
raspberries again. We have in past, but
[53:34] our farm kind of kills raspberries. So,
um um um but if we So, and then also
[53:41] potentially blueberries. We have we're
actually going to keep our blueberry
[53:44] planting because we're keeping our farm
stand open in Monton, not change
[53:48] anything there as far as a stand and
>> we've got 50-y old blueberry plants
[53:52] there. So those I'll get
>> um
[53:55] » it's possible we're going to plant like
I think we probably will blueberries
[53:59] expand that
>> but when we do all of that is going to
[54:03] go in this field up here this extends up
>> um so that
[54:08] » way
>> farther north.
[54:09] » Yeah. So that we don't have to deal with
the road crossing for those types of
[54:12] things.
>> Yeah. I'm kind of surprised that you
[54:14] know that the state is is allowing you
to do this that you know
[54:19] » crossing this fairly busy road.
>> Yeah. I mean, he came on. He like,
[54:23] "Yeah, this looks like no problem." And
you ran by everybody there. Um,
[54:26] » I think it's cuz it's nice and straight.
>> Yeah.
[54:29] » It's a really You can really see long
roads both directions. Yeah.
[54:33] » Yeah. We all live here, so yeah,
>> we're all very familiar with with this
[54:37] turf.
>> Yeah.
[54:42] » Do you see the retail store eventually
expanding? And you know, and I I've
[54:47] stopped by your place a couple of times
and it seems like you've had some other
[54:50] things in addition to berries, but other
types of fruits. I don't know, donor
[54:54] ciderish.
>> Currently, so
[55:00] what' you say?
>> Corn.
[55:02] We don't do corn maze. Um we currently
>> we sell like in the around I would say
[55:11] approximately 90% of our sales are our
own product. Um and then we do like like
[55:16] we buy in stone free
>> we also have premium stand in our
[55:21] » yeah um and
>> I don't know we haven't really decided
[55:25] right now we have no real interest in
like managing two great machines
[55:32] um one is already enough see keeping Mon
going for another
[55:37] » yes a period of time
>> our plan right now is to is to keep
[55:42] going
>> yeah it's such a good store. Um, we've
[55:46] got a lot to think about with that. Um,
we're going to continue living there.
[55:50] Um, I be pretty tough to get my wife to
move out of our house right now. So, um,
[55:55] we're going to keep living there. We're
going to keep our store open. We're
[55:58] leasing all of our land there out. Um,
and um, moving all of our operations
[56:03] here. It's a strong enough store like I
know that it's going to be
[56:08] that store is going to shrink some
because we're going to be pulling a lot
[56:13] of customers away and all of our pick
your own. But it's still just we're just
[56:17] we stay so busy there. Like it it um
it'll also probably cut our we'll be
[56:22] able to cut our staff there a lot and
bring more staff.
[56:26] » There's a lot of risber traffic going
by.
[56:28] » There is. Yeah. Um, so that's our
current plan is to is to keep both
[56:33] locations. Um,
>> are you going to be housing any of your
[56:38] workers in either location?
>> Yeah. So, we currently have
[56:43] um housing for two of our employees on
our farm plus we rent a room for another
[56:50] guy
>> in
[56:51] » Monton. Yeah.
>> Because we also we've been
[56:55] » Yep. So, we're working on that right
now. Um, and we've been working with A
[56:59] on that. Um, we're gonna have, um, uh,
we're doing some renovation on the
[57:04] farmhouse for farmworker housing. And,
and we're going to mean that way the
[57:10] guys that work for me, they all live
there. We don't have to rent the next
[57:12] room. Plus, it gives us some extra room
for higher need and potentially another.
[57:18] » We currently have H2A workers in Jamaica
either.
[57:22] And this property has had farm worker
housing since the 19
[57:30] » from the start of the program.
>> Yeah. Um so
[57:33] » where
>> this the this property these
[57:36] » Wow. Okay.
>> There was um I went back through the
[57:39] history and actually I worked with Randy
Russell to get the history of the pro
[57:42] property. There was at 1.3 units of
farmworker housing and that last unit
[57:48] got removed in the 80s. So, it's had
>> it's had history on it.
[57:52] » It's had two units of farm worker
housing on the property since at least
[57:55] the 1980s.
>> Um,
[57:59] so are you planning any educational,
recreational, or social social events on
[58:03] the farm?
Hastings, farm stays, exhibits,
[58:07] processing.
>> That is not nonplanned.
[58:10] » All right. So, that's why told us we
should be doing
[58:14] » financing. We don't need anymore.
>> Let's get the farm going first.
[58:17] » Yeah.
>> Yeah. Well, you can always get an
[58:20] amendment uh or or if you
go on to you decide, well, we want to,
[58:27] you know, have have concerts like
Lincoln Lincoln Peak.
[58:30] » I don't think so.
Selling Produce is our business. So,
[58:35] » yeah. Know your business.
>> So, can I make a suggestion?
[58:40] » If it was me, I would move my handicap
parking closer to the picket
[58:45] so the handicap is not crossing link 16.
that is and so it is possible that so
[58:51] like at our current location we have we
have kind of limited parking lot it
[58:57] fills up very quickly so all of our pick
your own we actually direct them out to
[59:01] the field
>> the problem here and and that could be
[59:04] done with like a limited number of cars
um but we can't have all of our because
[59:09] just that's a narrow road the access
there just wouldn't
[59:13] » well I don't know how they said just the
handicap
[59:16] » yep so this would be like handicap that
part which that's something we've really
[59:19] wanted to have at our place and we
haven't been able to. So, um that gives
[59:23] people access to the farm store easily.
So, um a lot of this is from what we've
[59:29] learned, you know, 10 years. Like we
don't want people have to be parking way
[59:33] out here.
>> Yeah. They're not doing the pick your
[59:35] own.
>> Exactly. It's just going to our farm
[59:37] store. That's a problem we have
currently is like in in June when we're
[59:41] really busy and somebody just wants to
come in and go to to our store,
[59:45] » grab something. They're parking so far
away, you know, and and Yeah. Yeah. So,
[59:49] we're trying to make sure we can keep
>> So, the farm store is the
[59:55] focus of the business.
>> Yes.
[59:57] » Yeah. Yeah. That's our I mean, we we
wholesale as well. Um but our
[1:00:02] » But it's not like the Bur Farm over on
Route 7 in Charlotte, if we call that a
[1:00:06] Bur Farm where the chicken pick your own
is basically what they do,
[1:00:13] » right? We have both. Yeah. Yeah. in
ancient history here. Charlott finds
[1:00:18] that they're going where is that or what
is it saying?
[1:00:22] » Well, they're still there. They're still
there. Roy Thorp's firm.
[1:00:26] » No. Well, there's one in Charlotte
that's still there right on Route 7.
[1:00:30] Thorp.
>> Where's Adam's Berry Farm?
[1:00:35] » Charlotte.
[1:00:38] » See, there's just too many berries.
>> You know what? There's not very many
[1:00:42] people in strawberries though. It's all
blueberries.
[1:00:44] » Nobody wants to do strawberries. They're
too hard.
[1:00:47] » A lot of work, right?
>> There's lots of blueberry
[1:00:54] too. So when you're talking about
planting blueberry, don't
[1:00:56] » That's the thing. It's not really a
priority of ours because of that. Yeah.
[1:01:00] » Um but strawberries are out
>> and it'll take a few years for Yeah.
[1:01:04] » Yeah. Yes.
>> Yeah. And we honestly I mean like we we
[1:01:08] just don't even sell I mean we've got
blueberries and it's because there's
[1:01:12] already so much more competition for
blueberries. It's not something that
[1:01:15] really grows for us.
>> My neighbors are growing peaches.
[1:01:20] » Oh yeah. Nice.
>> And they're doing really well. I'm
[1:01:22] surprised. I'm surprised.
>> I was surprised to see how fast the
[1:01:26] trees bear once they're planted. My
neighbors got one fast blueberries.
[1:01:33] Yeah.
Yeah, probably is a not too many people
[1:01:39] mess with anymore.
>> It's a lot of work.
[1:01:42] » It's a lot of work. A lot that I feel
that's a $30,000 investment to do that.
[1:01:48] » Yeah. But
>> Right. Everything's got to go right in
[1:01:50] the last week in June in the first week
in July.
[1:01:53] » Yeah. And then before that, I mean, I'm
>> my one of my most stressful times is May
[1:01:59] for frost.
>> So, we do frost protection. So, we're
[1:02:02] getting frost. I don't
>> sleep. I don't sleep those nights. I
[1:02:07] don't turn on the irrigation.
>> Yeah, we can lose $100,000 in a night,
[1:02:13] right?
>> Right.
[1:02:15] » Right.
>> Las Vegas.
[1:02:20] » It's gambling. That's all farming is.
>> Yeah, it's gambling.
[1:02:26] » So, no farm stays. you're not going to
be providing guest accommodations for
[1:02:33] » uh educational, social, recreational
activities, just workers.
[1:02:38] So it really comes down to in the
definitions accessory onfarmm business
[1:02:43] activity that is accessory to a farm
that comprises one or more of the
[1:02:47] following. So
two and three don't apply.
[1:02:52] Number one is storage preparation,
processing or and sale of qualifying
[1:02:57] products provided that more than 50% of
the total annual sales are from
[1:03:02] qualifying products that are principally
produced on the farm where the business
[1:03:05] is located. So this is going to sell
>> yeah strawberries.
[1:03:09] » You're going to be selling strawberries
grown on on this farm.
[1:03:14] » Yeah. And all the other produce be
>> okay. So all the produce will be grown
[1:03:17] on All right. So that that satisfies the
definition that we're you're care about.
[1:03:23] Um
so this is site plan review which is you
[1:03:26] know we've been talking about it traffic
and all of that.
[1:03:29] » Um you got to revise the site plan a
couple ways. Any other questions
[1:03:36] from the board?
>> We've asked a lot.
[1:03:40] » Yeah. Well,
mindless.
[1:03:46] I'll move that we approve the site plan
with the conditions that the
[1:03:53] revised site plan is submitted that
labels the asphalt removal area
[1:04:00] and depicts the uh approved turnaround
for emergency vehicles.
[1:04:06] Uh we've got stop we've got signs
already depicted. What do we think about
[1:04:11] a stop sign? Do we want to put It makes
sense to me and it's not a big deal.
[1:04:15] » I think a a stop sign and B where you're
going to open the AOP from now.
[1:04:20] » That's good. That right. So, install a
stop. The third condition would be
[1:04:25] install a stopped sign uh on the
driveway
[1:04:32] u standard stop sign. Mhm.
>> And uh the other last condition would be
[1:04:37] that you obtain AOT approval for the U
access
[1:04:41] » which is which is pending. Um
>> does AOT have um
[1:04:50] review over the stop sign?
>> I don't know. It could be that could
[1:04:56] » I think it's a good idea. I'll just let
them I'll let them know that and
[1:05:00] » yeah that's all
>> it's in there right away. Yeah, I
[1:05:04] mentioned that.
>> Well, if they were to say, "No, don't
[1:05:06] you dare." Then that's one thing. So,
>> correct. You don't You also don't want
[1:05:11] to put it up and then have them say,
"What are you doing?"
[1:05:14] » Yeah. Yeah.
>> I'll definitely let them know.
[1:05:17] » Yeah, they can. Yeah, that's a good
point. So, all right. So, those are the
[1:05:21] four.
So,
[1:05:26] show the label the asphalt removal area,
show the turnaround, uh, install a stop
[1:05:31] sign, obtain AOT approval for the, uh,
access off of 116. We can leave it at
[1:05:38] that. And, uh, anything else that
anybody can think of?
[1:05:45] » We mentioned five handicap parking
spots. Yeah.
[1:05:48] » Does that need to
>> Yeah, that's a good thing to put in.
[1:05:50] five handicap parking spots since the
apple tape though.
[1:05:54] » Yeah, I think so. In the area noted and
uh just the findings of fact will show
[1:05:59] 75.
>> Yeah, that was just an estimate based on
[1:06:02] the area. Um parking spaces do you need
to be 9 ft by 18 ft?
[1:06:07] » Yeah.
>> So, however many
[1:06:10] » do you have to have x amount of handicap
versus your regular parking spaces? Is
[1:06:15] there some kind of regulation with that?
Not in our
[1:06:19] » not in our but good practice too.
>> Well, that's
[1:06:24] something that we think about a lot at
our place because the way our parking is
[1:06:27] and we're on slope and every time we get
heavy rains our driveway washes out and
[1:06:31] they just like kind of
>> makes us nervous seeing people have to
[1:06:35] we're trying to get right
>> just make it more accessible and easier
[1:06:37] for people get in and stand safely and
whatever because we deal with that at
[1:06:41] our place. That's
>> Anybody think of anything else that we
[1:06:45] might want to add?
[1:06:49] Okay.
>> Got anything, Brenda?
[1:06:51] » No.
>> No.
[1:06:52] » Okay. So, those are the five conditions.
You got the
[1:06:57] » Yeah. Revised site plan that has the
removal, the turnaround, shows stop
[1:07:02] sign, demarks, the handicap parking,
>> and the C permit. There's something with
[1:07:08] the shed.
>> The shed falls under a different
[1:07:13] » You're going to issue a building permit
for that, right?
[1:07:15] » Correct.
>> Yeah.
[1:07:17] So the the site the site plan doesn't
>> it's already on the site plan,
[1:07:22] » correct?
[1:07:26] » I al it's also it's a use permit that
I'm issuing essentially.
[1:07:30] » Yes, that's what I meant.
Even though the site plan it's a buy
[1:07:34] rate
accessory on farm deser
[1:07:44] that's not a DRB issue
>> division authority here.
[1:07:50] » Okay. So those are the five. Any further
discussion?
[1:07:56] All those in favor? I
>> I
[1:08:00] » Yep. says yes. Okay, get everything up
and yes, I'm mad at a for giving me four
[1:08:06] permits in one night. Wow,
>> and now giving me this stuff ahead of
[1:08:12] time. So, little strike one.
>> Strike two.
[1:08:16] » You know, I've been complimented here
calling her governor and sheriff, you
[1:08:20] know, and now now
they're
[1:08:24] » now they're getting
[1:08:28] new sheriff in town. All right, you're
good.
[1:08:31] » Great. I really appreciate it. All
right.
[1:08:34] See, we got a minutes. Do we
>> How do you keep a privilege from eating
[1:08:39] again? Oh gosh.
>> BB gun.
[1:08:41] » Is that a big problem? Okay. Um let's
see. Strawberries. Our biggest problem
[1:08:45] with strawberries are um herbs and it
varies a lot from year to year. Some
[1:08:51] years are really bad, some years are
not. Typically once we get a lot of
[1:08:55] customers in the field, it's not as bad.
>> Yeah. But the cedar wax wings are they
[1:08:59] can be really bad. Um I've seen signs of
bear in our field but they don't really
[1:09:05] I think we just have enough people out
there regularly enough they don't really
[1:09:09] they do sweet corn that's a big one bear
and raccoon you know sweet corn. Oh
[1:09:13] yeah. Electric fence traps. You know
sometimes we even like on our lease
[1:09:19] ground right now. I start to leave a
radio on out in the field
[1:09:25] and that helps.
[1:09:28] » So all kinds of different ways you can
play ACR.
[1:09:35] » That's what I'm playing. It works. You
leave the NPR on it.
[1:09:38] » Ted's available to our
Ted does side work as a scare.
[1:09:45] » Very reasonable.
>> Yeah,
[1:09:52] » raccoons.
[1:09:55] » I think raccoons are one of our biggest.
>> We can sneak that in.
[1:09:57] » Yeah, like strawberries.
>> Yeah. And sweet corn.
[1:10:00] » Oh, but yeah, but they do eat
strawberries, too. Yeah,
[1:10:04] » especially our like because we're we do
other strawberries. We're still picking
[1:10:08] strawberries now. We pick strawberries
from the last week of May until November
[1:10:11] because late season varieties that day
neutral varieties and those really get
[1:10:16] hit by the raccoons.
>> Good stuff. Good.
[1:10:19] » My guys, they're pretty good at
Yeah. Yeah. The guys that work for me,
[1:10:25] they take care of a trap and they should
Yeah. Good dog, too.
[1:10:30] » Yeah. Right.
All right.
[1:10:34] » Everybody had a look at the the minutes.
>> Yep.
[1:10:38] » I I didn't see anything myself.
>> Nothing either.
[1:10:41] » Looks good.
>> Everyone in the minutes? Everyone will
[1:10:44] get present. Who is in the minutes?
>> Yeah.
[1:10:47] » Did you get a look at the minutes,
Brenda?
[1:10:49] » Yep.
>> Okay. Any any changes?
[1:10:54] » Nope. I would like to comment that
that's probably the shortest formal
[1:10:57] meeting we've had.
>> Yeah. So, it's me, Rebecca, Ted, Dale,
[1:11:02] Ron, and Brenda.
So, um, move that we approve the August
[1:11:09] 11 minutes as written.
>> Second.
[1:11:13] » All those in favor?
>> I
[1:11:15] » Yes.
>> All right. Unanimous. And we can sneak
[1:11:20] Ted in as uh scarecrow monitor under
condition. I think that Yeah. Are we
[1:11:26] good?
>> Yeah. Do you just like make a little
[1:11:29] asteris?
>> You better catch me. You better catch me
[1:11:32] pretty quick because I'm going to the
barber tomorrow.
[1:11:34] » All right.