1 00:00:03,328 --> 00:00:06,300 Council work session, August 25th at 7:30. Mr. 2 00:00:06,300 --> 00:00:08,756 Goodwin, please lead us in the pledge. 3 00:00:08,756 --> 00:00:14,099 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the 4 00:00:14,099 --> 00:00:14,677 United States of America and to the Republic 5 00:00:14,677 --> 00:00:18,648 for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, 6 00:00:18,648 --> 00:00:21,031 with liberty and justice for all. 7 00:00:21,031 --> 00:00:23,168 Roll call. 8 00:00:23,168 --> 00:00:24,357 Mr. Goodwin. 9 00:00:24,357 --> 00:00:24,968 Here. 10 00:00:24,968 --> 00:00:25,787 Mr. Wolf. 11 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:26,114 Here. 12 00:00:26,114 --> 00:00:26,825 Mr. Price. 13 00:00:26,825 --> 00:00:27,197 Here. 14 00:00:27,197 --> 00:00:27,973 Mr. Boldt. 15 00:00:27,973 --> 00:00:29,283 Here. Mr. Pavlica. 16 00:00:29,283 --> 00:00:29,688 Here. 17 00:00:29,688 --> 00:00:32,825 We recognize Mayor Alai, Mr. Ruffa, Ms. 18 00:00:32,906 --> 00:00:36,473 Hutchinson, Chief Hajek, Mr. Pak, Chief Pollock, Mr. 19 00:00:36,521 --> 00:00:37,823 Schroedel, and Mr. Neff. 20 00:00:37,823 --> 00:00:40,009 Mayor. 21 00:00:40,009 --> 00:00:44,190 Thank you, Mr. President. There's been, um, a little talk. 22 00:00:44,190 --> 00:00:50,028 Obviously Wallings Road Bridge is open, everything's working, running in traffic, 23 00:00:50,028 --> 00:00:52,551 everything seems to be very smooth, 24 00:00:52,551 --> 00:00:56,299 and we're real happy down there at that end of town. 25 00:00:56,299 --> 00:01:01,489 Talk about putting the name of Prairie View Heights or logo on a bridge. 26 00:01:01,489 --> 00:01:04,589 Many, many discussions with Ethan and ODOT. 27 00:01:04,589 --> 00:01:08,770 If we wanted to do something on that bridge or any bridge, 28 00:01:08,770 --> 00:01:13,887 because do you put something on Wallings Road Bridge facing southbound? 29 00:01:13,887 --> 00:01:17,131 You have Lacyland, then you have Harris Road. 30 00:01:17,131 --> 00:01:17,713 Right. 31 00:01:17,970 --> 00:01:21,177 Harris Road, you do one northbound, southbound, both. 32 00:01:21,177 --> 00:01:24,263 However, the issue we have, because ODOT, you know, 33 00:01:24,263 --> 00:01:29,345 they're not doing that as part of it, it's a separate contract you would have to do. 34 00:01:29,345 --> 00:01:34,186 You need $25,000 just to have an outside engineering firm to come in and look at 35 00:01:34,186 --> 00:01:38,663 this, because they have to do structural loads on the screws or the fence, 36 00:01:38,663 --> 00:01:43,383 because if a piece of something like this flies off and hits a car in a storm— 37 00:01:43,383 --> 00:01:43,447 Yeah. 38 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:48,828 There's a lot of liability. So just having that alone is, is about a $25,000 bill. 39 00:01:48,828 --> 00:01:53,646 And then you're talking, because Broadview Heights is not a short name, uh, 40 00:01:53,646 --> 00:01:58,785 one side of the bridge, you're talking $95,000 on top of that just for one side. 41 00:01:58,785 --> 00:02:03,860 So we could be talking $150,000, close to $200,000 to put a name on the bridge. 42 00:02:03,860 --> 00:02:07,779 So I just wanted the council to know that it's not, uh, Yeah. 43 00:02:07,779 --> 00:02:09,320 an inexpensive endeavor. 44 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:14,074 And, um, Ethan could give you a little more insight because he's talked to 45 00:02:14,074 --> 00:02:14,652 more insight because he's talked to engineer, 46 00:02:14,652 --> 00:02:19,663 uh, in Brecksville and he got some good feedback. Maybe you want to hear that. 47 00:02:19,663 --> 00:02:23,848 Yeah, so these, these costs have quadrupled over the past 6 years 48 00:02:23,848 --> 00:02:24,492 quadrupled over the past 6 years seemingly. 49 00:02:24,492 --> 00:02:26,423 It would be 100% city funding. 50 00:02:26,423 --> 00:02:27,968 Um, like the mayor said, 51 00:02:27,968 --> 00:02:32,604 we have to bring in a structural consultant to do some design, you know, 52 00:02:32,604 --> 00:02:37,304 on the brackets. Um, some CAD drawings and handle all the ODOT approvals. 53 00:02:37,304 --> 00:02:40,587 It has to be a specific structural design engineer. 54 00:02:40,587 --> 00:02:43,806 The sign then has to get custom pressed and built, 55 00:02:43,806 --> 00:02:46,639 and this is only for one side of the bridge. 56 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:51,210 So if we wanted to do 2, then that costs, you know, doubles, obviously. 57 00:02:51,210 --> 00:02:56,296 Um, we still have, you know, 27 different sections of road that are rated poor. 58 00:02:56,296 --> 00:02:59,708 And a culvert that we're trying to replace next year. 59 00:02:59,708 --> 00:03:01,447 So I'd recommend, you know, 60 00:03:01,447 --> 00:03:06,468 just continuing to utilize our budget on some of these essential projects like 61 00:03:06,468 --> 00:03:09,623 roadways, culvert replacements, things like that. 62 00:03:09,623 --> 00:03:13,422 I think we can all agree it's a good idea, or a great idea, 63 00:03:13,422 --> 00:03:18,379 to put the name on the bridge, but it's just a really large cost to consider. 64 00:03:18,379 --> 00:03:24,347 Okay, council, any comments? 65 00:03:26,193 --> 00:03:26,861 That's too bad. 66 00:03:28,966 --> 00:03:31,019 Okay, one other thing on that. 67 00:03:31,019 --> 00:03:34,509 This is all 100% local, so we can't find— you know, 68 00:03:34,509 --> 00:03:39,710 there's no programs out there to help us pay for that or anything like that. 69 00:03:39,710 --> 00:03:44,638 So there's no grant money to put your name on a bridge, and if there is, 70 00:03:44,638 --> 00:03:46,485 we'll come back to council. 71 00:03:46,485 --> 00:03:51,550 But, you know, I'll speak for the administration and We think we're better 72 00:03:51,550 --> 00:03:51,755 administration and We think we're better off 73 00:03:51,755 --> 00:03:56,819 paving a road or two before we start really looking at having our name and 74 00:03:56,819 --> 00:03:57,230 really looking at having our name and lights 75 00:03:57,230 --> 00:03:58,667 out there. Thank you. 76 00:03:58,667 --> 00:04:04,016 Was there any thought about embedding it in the concrete before the 77 00:04:04,016 --> 00:04:09,206 forms, and then when you pour it, to be poured with the concrete? 78 00:04:09,206 --> 00:04:12,148 That was an ODOT thing that was part of it, 79 00:04:12,148 --> 00:04:15,021 would have been an upcharge on the bridge. 80 00:04:15,021 --> 00:04:20,290 And again, that was something that wasn't considered at that time because We, 81 00:04:20,290 --> 00:04:25,284 as you all know, original design was somewhere around $7 million or more, 82 00:04:25,284 --> 00:04:28,705 so we changed the scope so it would be less money. 83 00:04:28,705 --> 00:04:34,383 So again, having that name on there wasn't as much of a consideration as doing what 84 00:04:34,383 --> 00:04:38,899 we needed to do on the project. So that was not part of the scope. 85 00:04:38,899 --> 00:04:43,945 Maybe businesses want to get together and fundraise or something like that 86 00:04:43,945 --> 00:04:49,469 potentially, and they could potentially get a structural engineer to donate their 87 00:04:49,469 --> 00:04:54,652 services for this to happen. I think it'd be beneficial for them, certainly. 88 00:04:54,652 --> 00:04:58,130 You know, that might be another way for them to go. 89 00:04:58,130 --> 00:05:01,186 Thank you. I think you're going to have— 90 00:05:01,186 --> 00:05:07,373 you're going to have to have an engineer that ODOT is going to be wanting to work 91 00:05:07,373 --> 00:05:11,575 with. But you also got the long-term maintenance of it. 92 00:05:11,575 --> 00:05:16,846 And if it's attached to the fence and not embedded, as you discussed, 93 00:05:16,846 --> 00:05:23,034 you have the potential of Any fastener on a fence could be a source of vandalism, 94 00:05:23,034 --> 00:05:25,096 so I wouldn't encourage it. 95 00:05:25,096 --> 00:05:28,076 I, I don't think I would discourage it, 96 00:05:28,076 --> 00:05:31,819 but I'm not going to be waving the flag to do it. 97 00:05:31,819 --> 00:05:37,565 Anyone else? Okay, we'll take those 98 00:05:37,565 --> 00:05:45,259 suggestions, move on to Mr. Paff. 99 00:05:48,259 --> 00:05:53,271 First item is just the annual community diversion program that we run with the 100 00:05:53,271 --> 00:05:56,806 county. This is just a contract for that for next year. 101 00:05:56,806 --> 00:06:02,011 There's no cost to us as they reimburse us on a case-by-case basis for the youths 102 00:06:02,011 --> 00:06:03,617 that are in that program. 103 00:06:03,617 --> 00:06:09,231 Council, any questions on this? We'll put that on, Dave. 104 00:06:09,231 --> 00:06:13,215 Okay, next item is the assessment for the grass cutting delinquencies. 105 00:06:13,215 --> 00:06:17,028 These are the folks that we cut their grass, haven't been paid yet, 106 00:06:17,028 --> 00:06:20,215 so we'll certify those to go on their property tax bill. 107 00:06:20,215 --> 00:06:24,968 Council? We'll put that on. 108 00:06:24,968 --> 00:06:30,411 Next item is a bills resolution for an item that we didn't have a 109 00:06:30,411 --> 00:06:35,687 purchase order, and this was for fire extinguisher inspections. 110 00:06:35,687 --> 00:06:38,571 Cost was $4,502. 111 00:06:41,571 --> 00:06:43,192 No questions, so we'll put that on. 112 00:06:43,192 --> 00:06:47,892 And then the final item is the annual rates and levies from the county that 113 00:06:47,892 --> 00:06:48,330 rates and levies from the county that council 114 00:06:48,330 --> 00:06:50,085 approves on an annual basis. 115 00:06:50,085 --> 00:06:51,777 2 things to note this year: 116 00:06:51,777 --> 00:06:56,477 the 3 mil general fund levy is not on there because it's up for a vote this 117 00:06:56,477 --> 00:06:56,790 there because it's up for a vote this year. 118 00:06:56,790 --> 00:07:01,615 If that passes, then they will send us an amended one that we'll have to pass 119 00:07:01,615 --> 00:07:04,247 sometime in late November, early December. 120 00:07:04,247 --> 00:07:08,821 The other thing to point out is the recreation bond levy that was passed, 121 00:07:08,821 --> 00:07:11,202 I think in 2015. It was at 1.42 mills. 122 00:07:11,202 --> 00:07:13,521 They are lowering that to 0.79 mills, 123 00:07:13,521 --> 00:07:17,594 which saves about $21.70 per $100,000 of value for the residents. 124 00:07:17,594 --> 00:07:22,670 The rationale behind that is though, when they set the original millage for that, 125 00:07:22,670 --> 00:07:26,116 it's based on the total debt service over the 20 years. 126 00:07:26,116 --> 00:07:29,625 We refunded that issue in 2021, which reduced that cost. 127 00:07:29,625 --> 00:07:34,325 At that time, I approached the county about lowering it, and they said, no, 128 00:07:34,325 --> 00:07:37,583 we're just going to track how much overall you need, 129 00:07:37,583 --> 00:07:42,534 and we'll stop the levy sooner than the 20 years that it was supposed to be on. 130 00:07:42,534 --> 00:07:46,670 There's been sort of a change in the budget commission over there, 131 00:07:46,670 --> 00:07:51,119 and now they're saying, no, you can only collect what is due each year. 132 00:07:51,119 --> 00:07:55,944 And so they're reducing it, which I'm fine with. That's all we need to cover. 133 00:07:55,944 --> 00:08:00,957 And probably at some point we'll even be able to still cut it off a little early 134 00:08:00,957 --> 00:08:03,902 because for the 5 years since we refunded that, 135 00:08:03,902 --> 00:08:07,223 they had been overpaying us what we needed each year. 136 00:08:07,223 --> 00:08:12,111 But I've been keeping that in the debt service fund segregated from everything 137 00:08:12,111 --> 00:08:12,424 service fund segregated from everything else. 138 00:08:12,424 --> 00:08:16,129 So how much is it per year prior to the change? 139 00:08:17,850 --> 00:08:22,970 Um, it's that we're saving 21-something. What was the full amount? 140 00:08:25,970 --> 00:08:32,180 I'm sorry, I have to do my math here. Probably around $38 or so. 141 00:08:32,180 --> 00:08:34,330 But how much did we bring in? 142 00:08:34,330 --> 00:08:38,730 Um, before that? 143 00:08:41,730 --> 00:08:41,750 Yeah. 144 00:08:41,750 --> 00:08:46,434 Um, that's what I thought, it was $400,000. And now we're going to go down 145 00:08:46,434 --> 00:08:46,940 $400,000. And now we're going to go down to what? 146 00:08:47,450 --> 00:08:49,258 Well, it was 1.42 mills. 147 00:08:49,258 --> 00:08:53,099 The 0.79 mills will generate about $775,000 a year. 148 00:08:53,099 --> 00:08:57,845 Okay, so we were generating over $1 million a year before that. 149 00:08:57,845 --> 00:09:04,866 Okay, that's what I was getting at, how much the new money was going to be per 150 00:09:04,866 --> 00:09:05,316 much the new money was going to be per year. 151 00:09:05,316 --> 00:09:07,086 Yeah. 152 00:09:07,652 --> 00:09:08,089 Okay, go ahead. 153 00:09:08,089 --> 00:09:10,230 Thank you. My apologies, Mr. 154 00:09:10,230 --> 00:09:15,734 President, for the other— uh, Dave, don't we need, uh, we had discussed, 155 00:09:15,734 --> 00:09:21,621 I heard you, I think right after, maybe you brought it up during finance, uh, 156 00:09:21,621 --> 00:09:27,661 to approve, uh, a purchase order for an environmental services company for work 157 00:09:27,661 --> 00:09:28,655 that's being— 158 00:09:29,107 --> 00:09:31,290 I don't think we've gotten the invoice for that yet, have we, Ethan? 159 00:09:31,290 --> 00:09:35,679 I've requested the invoice. We have not gotten it yet. 160 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:41,775 They haven't prepared the final report or given us the invoice yet to date. 161 00:09:41,775 --> 00:09:45,513 Are there any other questions related to that? 162 00:09:45,513 --> 00:09:54,046 Because I did call everybody last we talked, um, likely around $30,000. 163 00:09:57,046 --> 00:10:01,103 Okay, that's the same quote you were giving us this summer, so nothing's 164 00:10:01,103 --> 00:10:01,554 giving us this summer, so nothing's changed. 165 00:10:01,554 --> 00:10:01,939 Yeah. 166 00:10:01,939 --> 00:10:04,786 And then there's other legal thing— 167 00:10:04,786 --> 00:10:08,202 legal avenues we're going to go with this. 168 00:10:08,202 --> 00:10:13,732 So this council should approve this, and then eventually, hopefully, 169 00:10:13,732 --> 00:10:19,588 we will get reimbursed for it, so we'll not Be any tax dollars, correct? 170 00:10:19,588 --> 00:10:21,539 That's the goal. 171 00:10:21,539 --> 00:10:26,545 That was the only reason I was questioning, in case we had to come 172 00:10:26,545 --> 00:10:27,683 questioning, in case we had to come forward with a, 173 00:10:27,683 --> 00:10:29,655 a purchase order or a, uh, 174 00:10:29,655 --> 00:10:35,648 an approval to spend in excess of $10,000 because of the emergencies, uh, that, 175 00:10:35,648 --> 00:10:36,710 that occurred. 176 00:10:36,710 --> 00:10:40,750 Yes, I just haven't received the invoice yet. So once I do, that's the final 177 00:10:40,750 --> 00:10:41,123 yet. So once I do, that's the final report. 178 00:10:41,123 --> 00:10:44,525 I'll attach them all, um, and then we'll submit them to council. 179 00:10:45,127 --> 00:10:47,288 That was the only reason I was asking. 180 00:10:47,288 --> 00:10:51,325 I wanted to make sure in case that was a consideration for next Monday. 181 00:10:51,325 --> 00:10:56,890 Yep. Thanks. 182 00:10:59,890 --> 00:11:01,850 Okay, Mr. Schroedel. 183 00:11:01,850 --> 00:11:05,995 Thank you, Mr. President. I have 2 items on tonight. 184 00:11:05,995 --> 00:11:12,451 Um, the first one is for the edges for our snowplow blades. For winter equipment. 185 00:11:12,451 --> 00:11:16,516 This is something we buy some of almost every year, 186 00:11:16,516 --> 00:11:22,813 so we have 4 or 5 ones that need to be replaced now and a couple for the shelf. 187 00:11:22,813 --> 00:11:27,738 Council? We'll put that on. 188 00:11:27,738 --> 00:11:32,803 Okay, second item is for a contract with Kay Company for a 3-year contract. 189 00:11:32,803 --> 00:11:37,125 They're our current provider for our building automation system. 190 00:11:37,125 --> 00:11:40,029 They've done a nice job for us in the past. 191 00:11:40,029 --> 00:11:42,865 And we'd like to continue to utilize them. 192 00:11:42,865 --> 00:11:48,554 Seeing no questions, I'll put that on. 193 00:11:48,862 --> 00:11:49,089 Thank you. 194 00:11:49,770 --> 00:11:53,405 Ms. Hutchinson. 195 00:11:53,405 --> 00:11:55,480 Thank you, Mr. President. 196 00:11:55,480 --> 00:12:00,377 The first item is just the change in the TruGreen contract. 197 00:12:00,377 --> 00:12:05,275 We're asking for an additional service for tick prevention. 198 00:12:05,275 --> 00:12:11,251 We're having some issues with ticks on the main campus and at the field, 199 00:12:11,251 --> 00:12:14,405 so Pete wants to treat each this fall. 200 00:12:14,599 --> 00:12:17,884 That's okay, we'll put that on. 201 00:12:18,223 --> 00:12:21,624 Wonderful. And then the second is the Manta Fieldhouse agreement, 202 00:12:21,624 --> 00:12:23,821 which we've been doing the last few years. 203 00:12:23,821 --> 00:12:27,431 It's just rental of the facility for indoor soccer program this fall. 204 00:12:27,431 --> 00:12:31,606 Amanda, has the rates gone up at all? 205 00:12:32,036 --> 00:12:36,043 Yes, just $10 per hour. Yep, it does every year. 206 00:12:36,043 --> 00:12:38,308 Thank you. 207 00:12:38,977 --> 00:12:39,876 We'll put that on. 208 00:12:39,876 --> 00:12:40,790 Thank you very much. 209 00:12:40,790 --> 00:12:43,724 Chief. 210 00:12:43,724 --> 00:12:45,826 Uh, thank you. 211 00:12:45,988 --> 00:12:48,823 Just, just one item. We have a spatial needs study. 212 00:12:48,823 --> 00:12:52,882 This is a study that would be done to kind of determine the size of a new 213 00:12:52,882 --> 00:12:54,605 building that we could look at. 214 00:12:54,605 --> 00:12:58,242 Council. 215 00:13:01,242 --> 00:13:04,263 Chief, um, shortly before your appointment, 216 00:13:04,263 --> 00:13:07,565 probably 7 to 8 months before your appointment, 217 00:13:07,565 --> 00:13:12,624 we had Chief Rafin here and we were discussing the final details on, um, 218 00:13:12,624 --> 00:13:17,542 the fire department, on which direction, how large it was going to be, 219 00:13:17,542 --> 00:13:19,509 what we were going to spend. 220 00:13:19,509 --> 00:13:24,990 And so the question was asked of Chief Rafe, uh, will the police department be 221 00:13:24,990 --> 00:13:25,341 Rafe, uh, will the police department be next? 222 00:13:25,341 --> 00:13:29,065 Will the police department be wanting a new building? 223 00:13:29,065 --> 00:13:32,507 And so, uh, Chief Rafe was asked, how about that? 224 00:13:32,507 --> 00:13:37,004 And he stood over where he was sitting in that chair over there, 225 00:13:37,004 --> 00:13:41,641 and he stood and he said, no, we're good. We like it where we are. 226 00:13:41,641 --> 00:13:46,138 I don't see a need for a new police station in the near Foresee— 227 00:13:46,138 --> 00:13:47,754 the foreseeable future. 228 00:13:47,754 --> 00:13:52,180 We haven't even finished and finalized the fire department yet, 229 00:13:52,180 --> 00:13:54,920 and that's a concern of mine right now. 230 00:13:54,920 --> 00:14:00,049 Not that I don't love the police department, because I don't want to hear 231 00:14:00,049 --> 00:14:00,330 department, because I don't want to hear the, 232 00:14:00,330 --> 00:14:04,686 the rhetoric out there that we have anything or any animosity. 233 00:14:04,686 --> 00:14:10,236 And, and you can't go anywhere in this town without talking about how safe this 234 00:14:10,236 --> 00:14:15,998 community is, and, and we appreciate that and attribute it to the work that you've 235 00:14:15,998 --> 00:14:18,387 done and your department has done. 236 00:14:18,387 --> 00:14:22,181 But I think we need to set the fire station behind us. 237 00:14:22,181 --> 00:14:26,326 We need to see where we're at financially at the end of it. 238 00:14:26,326 --> 00:14:31,666 We need to then figure out whether it would have to go out to a levy or not. 239 00:14:31,666 --> 00:14:37,146 I don't think this is the time for that right now, and I can see us funding in 240 00:14:37,146 --> 00:14:37,497 right now, and I can see us funding in 2027, 241 00:14:37,497 --> 00:14:41,572 which we've already had those discussions here on council, 242 00:14:41,572 --> 00:14:46,982 the furniture and the assets and the equipment needed in the fire department. 243 00:14:46,982 --> 00:14:47,259 Thank you. 244 00:14:49,267 --> 00:14:52,262 And from that standpoint, um, number one, I, 245 00:14:52,262 --> 00:14:57,709 I think it's premature at this time based on what we were told just 2 years ago. 246 00:14:57,709 --> 00:15:03,019 And number two, I'm not sold on the company that did the last study because it 247 00:15:03,019 --> 00:15:07,035 seemed like more of a spattle want study than a need study. 248 00:15:07,035 --> 00:15:12,686 And, and I don't know why we're not using somebody locally in Ohio instead of going 249 00:15:12,686 --> 00:15:16,158 down to Orlando, Florida. So those are my concerns. 250 00:15:16,158 --> 00:15:16,367 Thank you. 251 00:15:17,618 --> 00:15:19,477 I don't know how council feels, 252 00:15:19,477 --> 00:15:23,913 but surely everybody was here when those comments were made by Chief Rake. 253 00:15:23,913 --> 00:15:28,829 Now, that's your predecessor, so I don't know what has suddenly prompted this, um, 254 00:15:28,829 --> 00:15:33,805 but that was one of the discussions that was bantering back and forth in regards to 255 00:15:33,805 --> 00:15:36,203 the fire station. For instance, we said, 256 00:15:36,203 --> 00:15:39,141 should we do a combined safety services building? 257 00:15:39,141 --> 00:15:43,218 And it was, it was said that, uh, that would not be a consideration. 258 00:15:43,218 --> 00:15:45,017 So Anyways, that's my opinion. 259 00:15:45,017 --> 00:15:48,254 I don't know whatever everybody else feels about that. 260 00:15:48,254 --> 00:15:50,003 Mr. Pavlica. 261 00:15:50,003 --> 00:15:51,817 Thank you, Mr. President. 262 00:15:51,817 --> 00:15:57,261 Chief, also, um, we need to take consideration we still have Fire Station 1 263 00:15:57,261 --> 00:15:57,769 consideration we still have Fire Station 1 that we 264 00:15:57,769 --> 00:16:01,180 have plans to refurbish to bring it up to code, 265 00:16:01,180 --> 00:16:04,664 and that as soon as Fire Station 2 is completed, 266 00:16:04,664 --> 00:16:09,308 and if there's any extras or additional costs that we may incur, 267 00:16:09,308 --> 00:16:14,969 we don't know yet I don't know how many things we could keep going at the same 268 00:16:14,969 --> 00:16:15,332 things we could keep going at the same time. 269 00:16:15,332 --> 00:16:17,582 I think we need to go in order. 270 00:16:17,582 --> 00:16:23,026 The thought was the new firehouse, number 2, refurbished, bring up to code, 271 00:16:23,026 --> 00:16:26,074 fire station 1. And then at the same time, 272 00:16:26,074 --> 00:16:29,557 maybe perhaps as we're reviewing fire station 1, 273 00:16:29,557 --> 00:16:35,291 we can start discussion of the police station. That's just my thought for that. 274 00:16:35,291 --> 00:16:36,245 Mr. Goodwin. 275 00:16:37,093 --> 00:16:41,493 I, I feel exactly the same way as both these, these my colleagues have brought 276 00:16:41,493 --> 00:16:41,662 these, these my colleagues have brought up. 277 00:16:41,806 --> 00:16:41,838 I— 278 00:16:42,127 --> 00:16:46,099 it, it's not the time or the place to do that right now. 279 00:16:46,099 --> 00:16:48,936 Um, I, I really truly admire the police. 280 00:16:48,936 --> 00:16:50,354 I've always had, uh, 281 00:16:50,354 --> 00:16:56,099 always appreciated the fact I think they are the most important people up here at 282 00:16:56,099 --> 00:16:58,014 City Hall, without a doubt. 283 00:16:58,014 --> 00:17:01,844 And, uh, I, I think that they need the best of things, 284 00:17:01,844 --> 00:17:07,589 but I don't think that that necessarily is going to give them the best of things. 285 00:17:07,589 --> 00:17:12,271 I, uh, I, I think that we have to be considerate of the taxpayers. 286 00:17:12,271 --> 00:17:17,874 And, uh, without knowing what it is, when it goes forward with a spatial study— 287 00:17:17,874 --> 00:17:21,916 but that's exactly how we ended up with the fire station. 288 00:17:21,916 --> 00:17:27,803 And a spatial study showed somehow that we needed a museum in the front of the fire 289 00:17:27,803 --> 00:17:33,123 station. I, I, you know, I, I think, I think the chief knows what he needs. 290 00:17:33,123 --> 00:17:37,236 He, he's a well-heeled, experienced, and he could tell us. 291 00:17:37,236 --> 00:17:41,421 But, but, uh, I, I don't want to start this ball right now. 292 00:17:41,421 --> 00:17:42,981 Myself personally, uh, 293 00:17:42,981 --> 00:17:48,726 would not be in favor of starting to study until we get through completely paying 294 00:17:48,726 --> 00:17:53,053 for all of these fire stations and, and we're done with that. 295 00:17:53,053 --> 00:17:58,443 I, I just Not the time for discussion about it, but that's my opinion. Thank 296 00:17:58,443 --> 00:17:58,727 about it, but that's my opinion. Thank you. 297 00:17:58,727 --> 00:18:00,267 Mr. Wolf, you want to bite on this? 298 00:18:00,267 --> 00:18:04,565 Yeah, I disagree. I mean, this is a spatial study. He's not building a 299 00:18:04,565 --> 00:18:05,118 spatial study. He's not building a building. 300 00:18:05,118 --> 00:18:07,021 He wants to know what he needs. 301 00:18:07,021 --> 00:18:12,117 So I think it's beneficial to know what in the future we need and approximately how 302 00:18:12,117 --> 00:18:16,661 much it costs. Do you want to do that right before you're going to build a 303 00:18:16,661 --> 00:18:17,214 right before you're going to build a building, 304 00:18:17,214 --> 00:18:22,371 or you want to do it now and plan and know what you're going to be bargaining for in 305 00:18:22,371 --> 00:18:25,257 a few years when— if decide to build something. 306 00:18:25,257 --> 00:18:30,108 So I think knowing what they need and what their deficiencies are is important. 307 00:18:30,108 --> 00:18:34,056 Okay, hold on one second. I'd like to weigh in on this. 308 00:18:34,056 --> 00:18:39,152 I can— I believe in the future we're going to need a police department. 309 00:18:39,152 --> 00:18:41,161 There's no doubt about that. 310 00:18:41,161 --> 00:18:45,755 Uh, what site, what size, I don't think we should jump into yet. 311 00:18:45,755 --> 00:18:50,061 I mean, we talk about the jail. Are we going to want a jail? 312 00:18:50,061 --> 00:18:55,660 We're going to house people. We don't do it now. Is it more affordable not to? 313 00:18:55,660 --> 00:19:01,474 But my biggest thing is the Chief Hajek and the mayor beat down that said both of 314 00:19:01,474 --> 00:19:04,129 these fire stations were not livable. 315 00:19:04,129 --> 00:19:08,220 I don't think I'm talking about a fire— a police station. 316 00:19:08,220 --> 00:19:13,388 We asked the chief at the time, it was 2 years ago, he said he was fine. 317 00:19:13,388 --> 00:19:18,197 That was his point to say, hey, I have issues. He did not say that. 318 00:19:18,197 --> 00:19:23,580 So I think we need to finish what the chief and the mayor want in both fire 319 00:19:23,580 --> 00:19:25,805 stations. And when that's done, 320 00:19:25,805 --> 00:19:29,753 or at least we're under construction of Fire Station 1, 321 00:19:29,753 --> 00:19:32,480 then I'll start talking about a study. 322 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:36,356 Okay, but I believe, Chief, we need one down the road. 323 00:19:36,356 --> 00:19:39,873 But right now we need to finish what we're doing. 324 00:19:39,873 --> 00:19:40,085 Mayor. 325 00:19:42,487 --> 00:19:45,005 Thank you. So good comments and all, 326 00:19:45,005 --> 00:19:49,902 and we are not looking to build a new police station today, next year, 327 00:19:49,902 --> 00:19:54,239 nor the year after. We want to properly plan, as we have been, 328 00:19:54,239 --> 00:19:59,695 all of us together planning the future of the city, the future of this campus, 329 00:19:59,695 --> 00:20:03,052 and what we can do. This is part of that future. 330 00:20:03,052 --> 00:20:07,809 We would never— we've got enough going on, I think we all know that. 331 00:20:07,809 --> 00:20:12,845 Building a new fire station, getting roads fixed, getting this together. 332 00:20:12,845 --> 00:20:18,581 But we also can't just sit back and say, wow, we had a nice fire station up there. 333 00:20:18,581 --> 00:20:20,679 We need to look to the future. 334 00:20:20,679 --> 00:20:25,506 I want to put together a long-range plan for the safety of this city, 335 00:20:25,506 --> 00:20:28,584 and I think we all owe that to the citizens. 336 00:20:28,584 --> 00:20:32,291 This ain't about building a police station right now. 337 00:20:32,291 --> 00:20:38,167 This is only looking at what deficiencies we may have And knowing what we need to do 338 00:20:38,167 --> 00:20:42,784 if we look at a 5, 10-year plan down the road. That's all this is. 339 00:20:42,784 --> 00:20:48,379 This administration in this term will not be asking about a police station being 340 00:20:48,379 --> 00:20:51,177 built, but we will finish Wallings Road. 341 00:20:51,177 --> 00:20:56,634 We will do these things before we even dip our toe into what size a new police 342 00:20:56,634 --> 00:21:02,230 station is. But I think for the money It's pretty smart to go out there and do a 343 00:21:02,230 --> 00:21:08,035 spatial needs study just to figure it out so we know today what we may need in 4 to 344 00:21:08,035 --> 00:21:09,574 6 or 8 years from now. 345 00:21:09,574 --> 00:21:13,072 That's all we're doing is planning for the future, 346 00:21:13,072 --> 00:21:16,499 not trying to build a fire or police station now, 347 00:21:16,499 --> 00:21:19,647 or certainly while we're doing Wallings Road, 348 00:21:19,647 --> 00:21:23,914 or while we're in the middle of construction of fire station. 349 00:21:23,914 --> 00:21:27,901 That's not what this is. This is planning for the future. 350 00:21:27,901 --> 00:21:33,235 Well, I thank you for clarifying that because I think that's the fear here is, 351 00:21:33,235 --> 00:21:38,501 you know, how many balls we're going to have up in the air at a certain time. 352 00:21:38,501 --> 00:21:42,877 So, um, did we go out for bid or we just pick this person again? 353 00:21:42,877 --> 00:21:45,886 So we picked this person again, the company. 354 00:21:46,288 --> 00:21:48,114 So we picked this company again. 355 00:21:48,114 --> 00:21:52,222 Yeah, there aren't a whole lot of companies out there that I could find, 356 00:21:52,222 --> 00:21:54,733 and I haven't been able to find one locally. 357 00:21:54,733 --> 00:21:59,241 We have worked with them before Or we had worked with them before with the fire 358 00:21:59,241 --> 00:22:02,949 station. Um, so there's not a whole lot out there to choose from. 359 00:22:02,949 --> 00:22:04,205 So for example, if Mr. 360 00:22:04,205 --> 00:22:08,713 Price knows of a local one, let me know who they are and maybe we can use them. 361 00:22:08,713 --> 00:22:13,049 Um, along the lines here, uh, I understand the whole idea of this, that, uh, 362 00:22:13,049 --> 00:22:15,446 Chief Rafe may have said whatever he said. 363 00:22:15,446 --> 00:22:18,698 Okay, he and I have differences of opinions on something. 364 00:22:18,698 --> 00:22:19,085 Yeah. 365 00:22:21,612 --> 00:22:25,162 The building that we're in, size— for the size and things like that, 366 00:22:25,162 --> 00:22:29,026 is probably adequate. We have a jail there, it's probably pretty adequate. 367 00:22:29,026 --> 00:22:32,211 The problem that I see though, that, uh, maybe he didn't see, 368 00:22:32,211 --> 00:22:34,091 or maybe everybody here doesn't see, 369 00:22:34,091 --> 00:22:38,268 is that we have an aging building that's going to need a lot of repairs put into 370 00:22:38,268 --> 00:22:38,425 going to need a lot of repairs put into it. 371 00:22:38,425 --> 00:22:42,027 So if we do put all those repairs in, then we're kind of stuck there. 372 00:22:42,027 --> 00:22:45,212 So I think it's money wasted and it's kind of a foolish idea. 373 00:22:45,212 --> 00:22:48,502 Some of those repairs have included over the past couple years. 374 00:22:48,502 --> 00:22:52,000 Pretty extensive repairs to the roof, the AC units, the HVAC units. 375 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:56,281 We have a moisture problem in the basement because it's a gravel floor for most of 376 00:22:56,281 --> 00:22:58,997 it. So we have issues with pipes rusting down there. 377 00:22:58,997 --> 00:23:00,981 That's the main electrical line there. 378 00:23:00,981 --> 00:23:03,069 We have a generator that's 25 years old, 379 00:23:03,069 --> 00:23:07,351 which is not a generator like you see at your house. This is like a $100,000 item. 380 00:23:07,351 --> 00:23:09,335 These are very, very expensive things. 381 00:23:09,335 --> 00:23:13,355 We have a basement that leaks when it rains that just literally pours through 382 00:23:13,355 --> 00:23:13,668 rains that just literally pours through like a 383 00:23:13,668 --> 00:23:14,295 garden hose. 384 00:23:14,295 --> 00:23:14,425 Okay. 385 00:23:15,109 --> 00:23:18,969 So we can put it off and wait a couple years and do these things, 386 00:23:18,969 --> 00:23:23,720 but if the basement caves in, you're going to be building a new building anyway, 387 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:27,520 right? And that's beyond my control or anybody's control, right? 388 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:29,878 And Chief, I wish you were here then. 389 00:23:30,231 --> 00:23:30,984 I wish I was here too. 390 00:23:31,032 --> 00:23:34,906 I am not questioning Chief Raymond. I would never do that. 391 00:23:34,906 --> 00:23:39,447 I think what he was doing was what was the biggest need at the time, 392 00:23:39,447 --> 00:23:44,923 but I think what council is saying is At one point we were thinking maybe we would 393 00:23:44,923 --> 00:23:46,393 have a joint building. 394 00:23:46,393 --> 00:23:50,400 That way you could have the training shared between the two, 395 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:54,073 some of the facilities you could share between the two. 396 00:23:54,073 --> 00:23:56,744 And that's why the questions were asked, 397 00:23:56,744 --> 00:24:01,686 because we know that the police station was not built as a police station. 398 00:24:01,686 --> 00:24:03,356 It was modified, correct? 399 00:24:03,356 --> 00:24:04,063 Yes. 400 00:24:04,063 --> 00:24:09,450 So we knew that. So that's We were thinking 5, 10 years out, and I get it, 401 00:24:09,450 --> 00:24:10,105 thinking 5, 10 years out, and I get it, you know, 402 00:24:10,105 --> 00:24:14,545 decisions were made. I'm not going backwards, there's no way. 403 00:24:14,545 --> 00:24:16,802 But, um, we'll entertain— I'll, 404 00:24:16,802 --> 00:24:22,698 I'll bring this back to council next week because there's 2 other people that are 405 00:24:22,698 --> 00:24:27,139 not here— or not next week, I'm sorry, the next work session— 406 00:24:27,139 --> 00:24:32,962 and we can discuss it then if anybody has ideas as far as other Um, experts, uh, 407 00:24:32,962 --> 00:24:37,694 we can look at that and we'll have another discussion in 2 weeks. 408 00:24:37,694 --> 00:24:42,862 But, um, I think we all agree up here there needs to be a fire station. 409 00:24:42,862 --> 00:24:47,230 There's— I mean, a police station. There's no doubt of that. 410 00:24:47,230 --> 00:24:53,053 It's just we want to make sure we finish both fire stations before we even start 411 00:24:53,053 --> 00:24:55,310 talking about a police station, 412 00:24:55,310 --> 00:25:00,915 because we tried to do this 2 years ago Decisions were made that we were only 413 00:25:00,915 --> 00:25:01,279 Decisions were made that we were only going 414 00:25:01,279 --> 00:25:06,229 to do the one with the chief's approval, and that's what we went by. 415 00:25:06,229 --> 00:25:11,324 But I agree with the mayor, you're going to need one, 5, 10, whatever. 416 00:25:11,324 --> 00:25:16,711 And to your point, something can happen tomorrow to speed up that process. 417 00:25:16,711 --> 00:25:22,389 So I would entertain going out for a study, but I just want everybody to know, 418 00:25:22,389 --> 00:25:26,975 you know, we talked about the living conditions of the firemen. 419 00:25:26,975 --> 00:25:28,867 Talked about it for weeks. 420 00:25:28,867 --> 00:25:33,963 I'm going to make sure that gets done before we do the police station. 421 00:25:33,963 --> 00:25:38,689 Chief, I agree with everything, um, Council President Boldt said. 422 00:25:38,689 --> 00:25:42,033 Um, I don't want— this by no means was on you. 423 00:25:42,033 --> 00:25:45,232 I don't want you to feel that, you know, um, 424 00:25:45,232 --> 00:25:50,031 we have anything other than your best interest involved with this. 425 00:25:50,031 --> 00:25:55,774 But, um, one of the things in the ad hoc committee that was created afterwards, 426 00:25:55,774 --> 00:26:01,881 there was a statement made by an architect that there are firms here locally that do 427 00:26:01,881 --> 00:26:06,898 that, architectural firms that will perform this type of work for us. 428 00:26:06,898 --> 00:26:12,860 Because the question was asked, why did we select someone out of Orlando, Florida. 429 00:26:12,860 --> 00:26:17,585 And I felt that's exactly how I felt. So it was like affirmation. 430 00:26:17,585 --> 00:26:22,675 Um, that's why I'm not excited about this. So I said there's 2 things. 431 00:26:22,675 --> 00:26:25,147 Number one, I think it's too soon. 432 00:26:25,147 --> 00:26:30,454 And number two, uh, you know, I'd like to have some other considerations. 433 00:26:30,454 --> 00:26:36,125 So take that back to your rank and file. We appreciate them. We love you guys. 434 00:26:36,125 --> 00:26:41,214 And, um, don't take this as a negative because we're on the same page. 435 00:26:41,214 --> 00:26:42,814 There is a need there. 436 00:26:42,814 --> 00:26:46,013 It was, it was discussed a couple years ago, 437 00:26:46,013 --> 00:26:50,811 but we were waiting for a little bit more time. That's all I have. 438 00:26:50,811 --> 00:26:52,548 Can I bring up one other thing? 439 00:26:52,548 --> 00:26:53,156 Yes. 440 00:26:53,156 --> 00:26:55,649 Um, and it pains me to say anything negative. 441 00:26:55,649 --> 00:26:57,311 All my elected time since '99, 442 00:26:57,311 --> 00:27:00,746 I've never said anything negative ever about the police force. 443 00:27:00,746 --> 00:27:02,131 Nothing but the greatest. 444 00:27:02,131 --> 00:27:05,621 And I think we have the greatest police force that's out there. 445 00:27:05,718 --> 00:27:05,960 Absolutely. 446 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,751 As a safest city, we should have a great police force. 447 00:27:08,751 --> 00:27:11,685 And, and, and, uh, so it pains me to say that, 448 00:27:11,685 --> 00:27:14,810 but what Concerns me anyway by doing this, and I— 449 00:27:14,810 --> 00:27:20,040 and it's great that we're thinking of the future because we always got to be ahead 450 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:21,890 of the game, being proactive. 451 00:27:21,890 --> 00:27:26,291 But these needs change from time to time, as you've seen probably in, 452 00:27:26,291 --> 00:27:30,309 in with even in within your, your time there, certainly, Chief. 453 00:27:30,309 --> 00:27:35,411 And, and, uh, for instance, we used to have a jail and now we don't have a jail. 454 00:27:35,411 --> 00:27:40,195 The one nice thing that we do have right now We have the facilities in case 455 00:27:40,195 --> 00:27:44,851 something were to happen with North Royalton or something would happen to 456 00:27:44,851 --> 00:27:45,170 Royalton or something would happen to North 457 00:27:45,170 --> 00:27:49,826 Royalton, they have a fire there or something, where would we house those 458 00:27:49,826 --> 00:27:50,272 something, where would we house those people? 459 00:27:50,272 --> 00:27:54,354 We could make do, couldn't we potentially make do with the jail? 460 00:27:54,354 --> 00:27:55,511 No, we couldn't. 461 00:27:55,511 --> 00:27:58,675 We still have those— we got rid of the 10 jail cells? 462 00:27:58,675 --> 00:28:00,619 No, they're there, but they haven't been kept up. 463 00:28:00,619 --> 00:28:02,885 No, they would— it would be a quick renovation. 464 00:28:02,885 --> 00:28:06,758 No, it wouldn't be a quick renovation because we have a roof that's been leaking 465 00:28:06,758 --> 00:28:09,082 that's destroyed things prior to me taking over. 466 00:28:09,082 --> 00:28:11,405 So there are more problems than you can imagine. 467 00:28:11,405 --> 00:28:15,085 And one thing I would like to say is everyone is invited to come and see the 468 00:28:15,085 --> 00:28:16,150 building for yourself. 469 00:28:16,150 --> 00:28:19,006 If you have any doubts or any questions about what we have, 470 00:28:19,006 --> 00:28:21,717 come over and take a look at it. I'll give you the tour. 471 00:28:21,717 --> 00:28:26,243 Yeah, because this is the first we hear about that, because I'm sure— 472 00:28:26,243 --> 00:28:30,704 I don't know any elected person that would go against fixing a roof. 473 00:28:30,704 --> 00:28:32,475 I mean, anywhere, you know, 474 00:28:32,475 --> 00:28:37,198 as far as any leaking roof We would certainly find that money somewhere, 475 00:28:37,198 --> 00:28:41,266 without a doubt, you know, to fix that. So please let us know. 476 00:28:41,266 --> 00:28:46,710 I mean, I would like to see these and see these incidents because that's taxpayers' 477 00:28:46,710 --> 00:28:49,466 facilities. I mean, they're paying for it, 478 00:28:49,466 --> 00:28:52,221 and I want to make sure they're protected. 479 00:28:52,221 --> 00:28:54,779 But the needs change from time to time, 480 00:28:54,779 --> 00:28:58,322 and maybe in the next 10 years those needs may change. 481 00:28:58,322 --> 00:29:00,749 You may need more, you may need less. 482 00:29:00,749 --> 00:29:05,865 The spatial study A spattle study would potentially be money spent that may go 483 00:29:05,865 --> 00:29:06,128 potentially be money spent that may go out. 484 00:29:06,128 --> 00:29:08,686 We, we don't have a site, you know, uh, 485 00:29:08,686 --> 00:29:13,737 we could buy too small of a site if we bought some additional land, you know. 486 00:29:13,737 --> 00:29:18,133 Uh, it's just, it's a tough issue, to be honest with you, you know. 487 00:29:18,133 --> 00:29:23,577 But like I say, it's tough for me because I would not have one of my children if it 488 00:29:23,577 --> 00:29:28,301 hadn't been And I'll repeat this one more time, I've repeated it before, 489 00:29:28,301 --> 00:29:33,548 that if there hadn't been a patrol officer who ended up becoming chief later on, 490 00:29:33,548 --> 00:29:38,796 hadn't walked in the door at 3 o'clock in the morning and got my child breathing 491 00:29:38,796 --> 00:29:43,716 again. So to me, there's nobody more important in this city than the police 492 00:29:43,716 --> 00:29:44,438 department. 493 00:29:44,438 --> 00:29:45,802 Absolutely. 494 00:29:45,802 --> 00:29:51,146 So it, you know, it kind of sickens me that I have to say this, but I, I, I just— 495 00:29:51,146 --> 00:29:56,226 the one thing that I've ever gone And I think that it just— the timing is not 496 00:29:56,226 --> 00:29:56,556 think that it just— the timing is not good. 497 00:29:56,556 --> 00:30:01,043 And I think that it's good to think about it, that we know that now, 498 00:30:01,043 --> 00:30:06,123 that we have a different change of thought, and we'll look forward, you know, 499 00:30:06,123 --> 00:30:08,960 to the future with that in mind, certainly. 500 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:13,754 Just to add one thing with respect to the jail, so everyone's aware, 501 00:30:13,754 --> 00:30:16,363 we can't just open the jail up again. 502 00:30:16,363 --> 00:30:21,299 We have to go through this whole certification process with the state, 503 00:30:21,299 --> 00:30:25,247 which is a very lengthy process and it's, it's not easy. 504 00:30:25,247 --> 00:30:30,958 So I don't want anyone to think we can bail out of a contract with North Royalton 505 00:30:30,958 --> 00:30:31,240 and— 506 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:32,666 No, and I realize that, 507 00:30:32,666 --> 00:30:37,627 especially a facility that hasn't been used in a while and the requirements have 508 00:30:37,627 --> 00:30:40,665 changed probably and things like that, certainly. 509 00:30:40,665 --> 00:30:45,811 But it's something that would be done much quicker than building something from the 510 00:30:45,811 --> 00:30:49,159 ground up, and the fact that those are very expensive. 511 00:30:49,159 --> 00:30:53,376 And inspect— very expensive endeavors to build jail cells, you know, 512 00:30:53,376 --> 00:30:55,360 obviously with the requirements. 513 00:30:55,420 --> 00:30:58,800 So, and to hire all the people there, to add to Mr. Ruffa's comments. 514 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:03,160 Yeah, but it's something that could be done in an emergency situation. 515 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:04,780 Mr. Price. 516 00:31:04,780 --> 00:31:07,569 Thank you, Chief. Just a closing comment. 517 00:31:07,569 --> 00:31:12,739 Uh, the spatal need study for the fire department was done in 2021. It's now 518 00:31:12,739 --> 00:31:13,079 department was done in 2021. It's now 2026. 519 00:31:13,079 --> 00:31:18,181 We're building a fire department. I don't want you to wait for the repairs. 520 00:31:18,181 --> 00:31:23,419 Whatever repairs need to be done, bring them to us and we're going to fix it, 521 00:31:23,419 --> 00:31:27,772 because I, I don't want you to sit in that building for 5 years. 522 00:31:27,772 --> 00:31:30,629 Even if we only get minimum use out of it, 523 00:31:30,629 --> 00:31:34,098 that's no excuse for us not performing repairs, uh, 524 00:31:34,098 --> 00:31:37,091 the city performing repairs on the building. 525 00:31:37,091 --> 00:31:41,445 So please do not hesitate to bring needed repairs to us. Agreed. 526 00:31:41,964 --> 00:31:44,464 Safety is number one. Mr. Pavlica. 527 00:31:44,464 --> 00:31:45,910 Thanks, Mr. President. 528 00:31:45,910 --> 00:31:51,169 Chief, um, do you have any idea of what kind of repairs or how many repairs need 529 00:31:51,169 --> 00:31:51,301 kind of repairs or how many repairs need to 530 00:31:51,301 --> 00:31:55,179 be done within the next 2 to 3 years to keep it afloat, or— 531 00:31:55,179 --> 00:31:56,140 Not really. 532 00:31:56,140 --> 00:31:57,035 You have no idea? 533 00:31:57,035 --> 00:31:58,110 So I have some idea. 534 00:31:58,110 --> 00:32:01,926 I mean, the, you know, smaller things here and there are getting fixed, 535 00:32:01,926 --> 00:32:05,688 the day-to-day, you know, sinks, countertops leaking, stuff like that. 536 00:32:05,688 --> 00:32:09,988 Bathrooms that don't work, those are all getting repaired. That's minimal money. 537 00:32:09,988 --> 00:32:10,324 Right. 538 00:32:10,324 --> 00:32:13,257 The thing that concerns me is putting the deeper thing— 539 00:32:13,257 --> 00:32:17,044 it's the bigger things that have been a problem since we've been there. 540 00:32:17,044 --> 00:32:19,870 Windows that leak, that have leaked for however long, 541 00:32:19,870 --> 00:32:21,790 that they can't seem to be repaired. 542 00:32:21,790 --> 00:32:24,190 A lot of that stuff is the bulletproof glass, 543 00:32:24,190 --> 00:32:27,123 so it becomes difficult with keeping them weatherproof. 544 00:32:27,123 --> 00:32:30,483 Frosting on the windows, which ruins drywall, things like that. 545 00:32:30,483 --> 00:32:31,763 Those are smaller items. 546 00:32:31,763 --> 00:32:35,443 The roof is a big issue because, like we were talking about the jail, 547 00:32:35,443 --> 00:32:37,363 repairing those areas are different. 548 00:32:37,363 --> 00:32:41,736 That's not the same as repairing It's not repairing an area in a regular building. 549 00:32:41,736 --> 00:32:44,723 It's not regular drywall. It's not regular construction. 550 00:32:44,723 --> 00:32:47,016 It has— every fastener is tamper-resistant. 551 00:32:47,016 --> 00:32:51,176 It's very different and very much more expensive than repairing a simple area. 552 00:32:51,176 --> 00:32:54,696 The biggest concern I have is the corrosion in the basement of the 553 00:32:54,696 --> 00:32:55,549 corrosion in the basement of the electrical pipes 554 00:32:55,549 --> 00:32:57,416 and the dampness that's down there. 555 00:32:57,416 --> 00:33:01,522 That can be a big problem when that does come, not to mention a leaking wall. 556 00:33:01,522 --> 00:33:05,629 Leaking wall, to correct that would be Excavation around the entire building. 557 00:33:05,629 --> 00:33:09,149 So that's a big thing, but probably doesn't have to be done today. 558 00:33:09,149 --> 00:33:13,468 So if we could stretch that out, at least in my mind, for a year, 2, 3, whatever, 559 00:33:13,468 --> 00:33:14,908 to get into a new building, 560 00:33:14,908 --> 00:33:18,908 then the foundation can cave in because we're not going to use the building 561 00:33:18,908 --> 00:33:19,335 we're not going to use the building anymore. 562 00:33:19,335 --> 00:33:23,761 But it doesn't make sense to me to invest money in these repairs if we're not going 563 00:33:23,761 --> 00:33:27,761 to stay there. And that was my concern with going forward into these bigger 564 00:33:27,761 --> 00:33:28,188 with going forward into these bigger repairs, 565 00:33:28,188 --> 00:33:32,614 is doing all these things then we're going to sink a bunch of money into a building 566 00:33:32,614 --> 00:33:34,428 and we're going to be stuck there, 567 00:33:34,428 --> 00:33:38,268 which was never really designed to be a police department to begin with. 568 00:33:38,268 --> 00:33:41,894 So, a lot of things have changed since we've moved in there with our 569 00:33:41,894 --> 00:33:42,587 we've moved in there with our communication 570 00:33:42,587 --> 00:33:46,107 system, with our server requirements, with our radio requirements, 571 00:33:46,107 --> 00:33:50,427 with our body cam, all the data we have to save for not only body cam but tasers. 572 00:33:50,427 --> 00:33:52,934 We have car cams now. It all adds to the staff. 573 00:33:52,934 --> 00:33:56,080 There's a lot more technology the guys are carrying around. 574 00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,813 So there's a lot more that needs to go into a building. It needs to be 575 00:33:59,813 --> 00:34:00,400 into a building. It needs to be modernized. 576 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:03,973 And when that building was redesigned, probably, I don't know, '97, 577 00:34:03,973 --> 00:34:07,493 '98 is somewhere, somewhere around they started, got things going. 578 00:34:07,493 --> 00:34:10,480 The general fund was probably a tenth of what it is now. 579 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:14,426 This is the money we had there. That's the best they could do at the time. 580 00:34:14,426 --> 00:34:17,839 It was a great building compared to the old building we were in. 581 00:34:17,839 --> 00:34:20,666 If If you've ever seen that one up on Broadview Road. 582 00:34:20,666 --> 00:34:21,442 Yeah. 583 00:34:21,442 --> 00:34:24,450 That was different. That was, that was the old building. 584 00:34:24,450 --> 00:34:28,854 We had 4 jail cells with the old iron bars and the big skeleton key that you would 585 00:34:28,854 --> 00:34:32,506 go in and out of. It's not like that anymore. It's electronic locks. 586 00:34:32,506 --> 00:34:35,621 It's all this just different security and stuff like that. 587 00:34:35,621 --> 00:34:39,917 Things grow, things have to modernize, and we're stuck with a building that, uh, 588 00:34:39,917 --> 00:34:44,214 it needs a lot. So I think the time's right to move forward with this and get it 589 00:34:44,214 --> 00:34:44,536 going. 590 00:34:44,806 --> 00:34:48,288 Well, I think I would like to come by, take a look at it sometime. 591 00:34:48,288 --> 00:34:49,363 Yeah, I would too. 592 00:34:49,363 --> 00:34:51,080 If any other council people would like to go. 593 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:55,211 If we could, with some thought here, because I, I don't think any— 594 00:34:55,211 --> 00:35:00,406 I hear anybody saying we don't ever need one in the future, um, start some sort of, 595 00:35:00,406 --> 00:35:03,347 you know, money to be put aside for the future, 596 00:35:03,347 --> 00:35:05,851 whether it's a small amount or whatever. 597 00:35:05,851 --> 00:35:09,105 We know we're going to need something in the future. 598 00:35:09,105 --> 00:35:13,612 If we could start saving that money now, it certainly save us, you know, 599 00:35:13,612 --> 00:35:17,242 some interest. You know, who knows when we go out to bond, 600 00:35:17,242 --> 00:35:21,060 if we would go out to bond something like that in the future, 601 00:35:21,060 --> 00:35:22,562 what those rates may be. 602 00:35:22,562 --> 00:35:27,256 If we have the money to do it, maybe we should be setting some money aside. 603 00:35:27,256 --> 00:35:29,179 Don't look at me, Mayor, 604 00:35:29,179 --> 00:35:35,350 because I think what he's going to say is you're talking a lot of money here. 605 00:35:35,350 --> 00:35:37,994 So the thing is, is first of all, 606 00:35:37,994 --> 00:35:43,363 we weren't even going to get a study off the ground 10 minutes ago. 607 00:35:43,363 --> 00:35:48,011 Chief, try to bring another expert. That's all I'm saying. 608 00:35:48,011 --> 00:35:51,938 Trying to get this off the ground to get it done. 609 00:35:51,938 --> 00:35:57,627 I think you're going to have some pushback on your expert from Florida. 610 00:35:57,627 --> 00:36:03,798 I'm just saying that. So see if you can get another one. We'll compare the 2. 611 00:36:03,798 --> 00:36:08,846 We'll talk about it next week. When Miss Monick is back and Mr. 612 00:36:08,846 --> 00:36:14,696 Dunlap, we'll have a more in-depth conversation on it, maybe timing also. 613 00:36:14,696 --> 00:36:19,985 I think those are the 2 critical things you need to get this over. 614 00:36:19,985 --> 00:36:25,256 Yeah, let's do that. I agree that we're here, but I just want a last word. 615 00:36:25,256 --> 00:36:28,675 We're not looking to build a new police station. 616 00:36:28,675 --> 00:36:34,088 We're in the middle of a couple other major projects. That's not the intent. 617 00:36:34,088 --> 00:36:37,792 It's future planning. That's all this is. Thank you. 618 00:36:37,792 --> 00:36:42,946 Mr. President, I would also add that to know what the, the years— 619 00:36:42,946 --> 00:36:46,355 are we looking at 10 years out or 15 years? 620 00:36:46,355 --> 00:36:51,905 I mean, what, what the span is for 5 years or whatever it is, 2 years? 621 00:36:51,905 --> 00:36:57,204 No, I think, I think the mayor would like this in 5 years. 622 00:36:57,204 --> 00:37:02,989 Well, I'm talking about the study and the needs, not, not like when we would build, 623 00:37:02,989 --> 00:37:07,450 but what would your needs be 10 years down the road or whatever? 624 00:37:07,450 --> 00:37:12,468 Yeah, just so if the planning is there for future expansion or whatever. 625 00:37:12,468 --> 00:37:14,573 I believe any expert will give that to you. 626 00:37:14,573 --> 00:37:21,098 Mr. President, but I believe that changes, Mr. Wolf. We saw it from 2021 to 2024. 627 00:37:21,098 --> 00:37:24,562 We saw a change because we didn't have— we, 628 00:37:24,562 --> 00:37:29,477 we had a 2021 study that went into a 2022 request for a levy. 629 00:37:29,477 --> 00:37:34,955 It was short-term and pricing and everything was all over the place. 630 00:37:34,955 --> 00:37:40,755 I, I think there's a better approach to it. I just don't think it's now. 631 00:37:40,755 --> 00:37:44,429 Okay. 632 00:37:44,429 --> 00:37:47,198 And the chief is saying he needs a new building, so now, now you're— 633 00:37:47,198 --> 00:37:48,909 and I appreciate you actually saying that. 634 00:37:50,234 --> 00:37:50,445 I do. 635 00:37:50,494 --> 00:37:54,773 So that, you know, gives us a greater urgency. I don't know, 5 years is the 636 00:37:54,773 --> 00:37:55,172 urgency. I don't know, 5 years is the number. 637 00:37:56,109 --> 00:37:56,529 Exactly. 638 00:37:56,853 --> 00:38:01,953 So, okay, anybody else? One more time around. 639 00:38:02,034 --> 00:38:04,208 Anybody? I've been there, I've seen it. 640 00:38:04,208 --> 00:38:07,942 I didn't get the grand tour, but what I saw myself was, yeah, this— 641 00:38:07,942 --> 00:38:11,230 and this was years ago— it definitely needs to be replaced. 642 00:38:11,230 --> 00:38:12,619 Mr. Wolf, I've never seen a jail. 643 00:38:12,619 --> 00:38:15,181 I didn't see it in that respect. 644 00:38:16,343 --> 00:38:18,085 Just, uh, just want to say that publicly. 645 00:38:19,050 --> 00:38:21,153 I did bring them donuts when I went, so. 646 00:38:21,153 --> 00:38:24,813 Okay, uh, next, Chief. 647 00:38:24,813 --> 00:38:31,467 Hi, we're looking to purchase a Stryker— 648 00:38:31,467 --> 00:38:38,121 a refurbished Stryker power load cot for 649 00:38:38,121 --> 00:38:44,941 the backup squad. Council, any questions? 650 00:38:44,941 --> 00:38:47,603 We'll put it on. 651 00:38:47,831 --> 00:38:48,798 Thank you. 652 00:38:51,798 --> 00:38:52,360 Mr. Neff. 653 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,320 Thank you, Mr. President. 654 00:38:54,320 --> 00:39:00,435 The finance department notified me that Ordinance 2026-38 needs to be modified 655 00:39:00,435 --> 00:39:06,471 because the total amount didn't include the alternate amount of approximately 656 00:39:06,471 --> 00:39:07,592 $38,000. 657 00:39:10,592 --> 00:39:14,931 Council, any discussion on this? Okay, we'll put it on. 658 00:39:15,173 --> 00:39:16,767 Thank you. 659 00:39:19,767 --> 00:39:23,346 Uh, discussion on farmers market, that was Miss Monix, 660 00:39:23,346 --> 00:39:27,454 so we'll push this off to the next work session unless, Mayor, 661 00:39:27,454 --> 00:39:29,310 you have any comments on it. 662 00:39:29,310 --> 00:39:31,213 Um, just quickly, um, thank you. 663 00:39:31,213 --> 00:39:34,364 Sorry, I believe there's an exchange with Miss Monix. 664 00:39:34,364 --> 00:39:37,457 She had mentioned at Home Days about doing like, uh, 665 00:39:37,457 --> 00:39:41,678 bringing the service organizations together to have like a rally day or 666 00:39:41,678 --> 00:39:42,273 together to have like a rally day or something. 667 00:39:42,273 --> 00:39:46,852 It's just her spitballing as we were sitting in booths next to each other and 668 00:39:46,852 --> 00:39:47,209 sitting in booths next to each other and things 669 00:39:47,209 --> 00:39:51,728 like that. And, you know, bringing other groups in and doing some something, 670 00:39:51,728 --> 00:39:54,047 maybe doing a farmer's market that day. 671 00:39:54,047 --> 00:39:57,793 And she wanted to know if we could do it like on September 5th. 672 00:39:57,793 --> 00:40:00,350 I'm like, we're in the middle of Home Days. 673 00:40:00,350 --> 00:40:00,688 Yeah. 674 00:40:00,688 --> 00:40:02,800 And it was a great conversation. 675 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:07,025 I said, well, Figure out what you want, what groups you can get. 676 00:40:07,025 --> 00:40:11,778 She's talked about the— maybe the Strongsville Lions as well, and talked 677 00:40:11,778 --> 00:40:12,372 Strongsville Lions as well, and talked about it. 678 00:40:12,372 --> 00:40:15,475 And then she emailed me after, and then I said, 679 00:40:15,475 --> 00:40:21,020 because council wants events given to them before the end of the year, I don't know, 680 00:40:21,020 --> 00:40:25,377 I'm not going to dip my toe in that pond and, you know, say, here, 681 00:40:25,377 --> 00:40:30,328 I want to do this event here without You know, the acquiescence of council. 682 00:40:30,328 --> 00:40:35,081 And to be quite honest with you, this is something that we would do for— 683 00:40:35,081 --> 00:40:38,976 like we did India Independence Day a couple of Sundays ago. 684 00:40:39,089 --> 00:40:39,265 It's— 685 00:40:39,490 --> 00:40:43,634 we just give them the area where we're— the city's not going to put this on. 686 00:40:43,634 --> 00:40:46,250 It sounded like it was Jennifer's idea for that, 687 00:40:46,250 --> 00:40:50,721 so I wanted council to be aware that one of the council members asked for this and 688 00:40:50,721 --> 00:40:54,265 asked me about what I thought And that's why I brought it to you. 689 00:40:54,265 --> 00:40:58,790 So that's all I could tell you. That was her request and that was our conversation. 690 00:40:58,790 --> 00:41:03,013 The email I received, I thought she wanted this a city event. 691 00:41:04,442 --> 00:41:05,020 Well, I— 692 00:41:05,181 --> 00:41:09,319 yeah, and that was my concern is I said you need to talk to the mayor. 693 00:41:09,319 --> 00:41:10,206 I can't follow— 694 00:41:10,206 --> 00:41:14,799 We're not prepared to do a city event like that in the, the time span she asked. 695 00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:15,328 Okay. 696 00:41:15,682 --> 00:41:19,710 And that's why then she said maybe doing something up in the corner and Again, 697 00:41:19,710 --> 00:41:21,311 maybe we need Miss Monick here, 698 00:41:21,311 --> 00:41:24,668 but I just wanted to throw it out there so you kind of knew what, 699 00:41:24,668 --> 00:41:27,354 what the gist of the, yeah, the discussion would be. 700 00:41:27,354 --> 00:41:27,985 She'll be back. 701 00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:28,869 Thank you. 702 00:41:28,954 --> 00:41:35,067 We'll discuss it then. Council's open to the residents. 703 00:41:35,067 --> 00:41:41,403 Seeing none, Mayor, any discussion? Council? Mr. Goodwin? 704 00:41:41,403 --> 00:41:46,837 Yeah, the Board of Zoning Appeals will be meeting On September 705 00:41:46,837 --> 00:41:51,920 2nd at 6:30 PM in this room, council chambers. That's all. 706 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:52,533 Thanks. 707 00:41:52,533 --> 00:41:53,272 Mr. Wolf. 708 00:41:53,272 --> 00:41:56,404 Um, I was just wondering if we would consider, um, 709 00:41:56,404 --> 00:42:01,352 some recognition for the Broadview Heights Lions Club being 50 years this year. 710 00:42:01,352 --> 00:42:03,606 And also, it may seem kind of weird, 711 00:42:03,606 --> 00:42:06,801 but the Brecksville Kiwanis are 80 years this year, 712 00:42:06,801 --> 00:42:10,746 and they do a lot with both cities. They give out scholarships. 713 00:42:10,746 --> 00:42:15,632 So It would be nice to give them some recognition for their 80 years of being— 714 00:42:15,632 --> 00:42:17,448 giving service to the cities. 715 00:42:17,448 --> 00:42:21,261 Okay, that's all. Mr. Price. 716 00:42:21,261 --> 00:42:23,157 Uh, thank you, Mr. President. 717 00:42:23,157 --> 00:42:26,752 I wanted to thank the service department for their, um, 718 00:42:26,752 --> 00:42:31,916 outstanding storm response when the storm blew through here a couple weeks ago. 719 00:42:31,916 --> 00:42:37,211 Um, the, the storm hit fast, and I had a chance to walk as it, as it passed over, 720 00:42:37,211 --> 00:42:39,826 and there was a lot of damage out there. 721 00:42:39,826 --> 00:42:42,702 And before I even made it over to Ledgemont, 722 00:42:42,702 --> 00:42:47,474 the service department was down there clearing trees, clearing sidewalks. 723 00:42:47,474 --> 00:42:52,376 And then I had a, you know, back and forth brief text conversation with Mr. 724 00:42:52,376 --> 00:42:57,606 Schroedel. They got out there and cleaned up a lot of the debris that was on the 725 00:42:57,606 --> 00:43:02,639 tree lawns and then made additional passes through to help the residents out. 726 00:43:02,639 --> 00:43:05,450 So thank you, Mr. Schroedel, for your guys. 727 00:43:05,450 --> 00:43:08,653 Let them No, what a, what a, you know, great job. 728 00:43:08,653 --> 00:43:11,660 And it was good to see them out there so soon. 729 00:43:11,660 --> 00:43:15,909 I mean, literally within 20 minutes after the storm blew through. 730 00:43:15,909 --> 00:43:20,206 So my story on it is I was over there about 10 to 9, 731 00:43:20,206 --> 00:43:24,007 and one of the trees went down and it went in— 732 00:43:24,007 --> 00:43:28,965 it was down right in the driveway of the service department. 733 00:43:28,965 --> 00:43:31,196 And as I wheeled around it, 734 00:43:31,196 --> 00:43:36,072 because I had to use the service driveway to get around it, 735 00:43:36,072 --> 00:43:40,782 There was a van or a pickup truck ready to get rid of it. 736 00:43:40,782 --> 00:43:44,005 That's how fast it was, like 3 minutes. 737 00:43:44,005 --> 00:43:48,963 So they did a fantastic job, to your point. So, Mr. Pavlica. 738 00:43:48,963 --> 00:43:50,398 Thank you, Mr. President. 739 00:43:50,398 --> 00:43:53,785 Yes, as they've talked about, Dave, the service department, 740 00:43:53,785 --> 00:43:57,747 your team did a great job during that severe storm that came through. 741 00:43:57,747 --> 00:44:01,765 I know a lot of residents for some reason want to not For some reason, 742 00:44:01,765 --> 00:44:04,866 they did lose trees in our backyards and some damages, 743 00:44:04,866 --> 00:44:07,277 but the service department did move quick, 744 00:44:07,277 --> 00:44:11,525 sent out the chipper afterwards to chip up some of the branches that fell. 745 00:44:11,525 --> 00:44:14,166 And that was— it was a great job by your team. 746 00:44:14,619 --> 00:44:19,650 Thank you. With that, we are adjourned.