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It being 6:31 p.m. on September 2nd,
2026, I call this meeting of the

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All votes will be done via roll call to
ensure count accuracy. Uh

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roll call vote, please.

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» Play I.
>> Green I.

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» Math I.
>> Morris I.

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» And Talbot I.
>> We have quorum.

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» Uh
on this special meeting today for

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Wednesday, September 2nd. Uh first
agenda item is new filings. It's a

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request of a certificate of compliance
for Zero Seneca Street Snow Park.

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Uh Kyle?
>> Uh yeah, so um this filing I I guess

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Scott's got his hand raised. Uh
uh and I'll promote you here in a

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moment, Scott. Uh in general, we're
looking at two filings today. They're

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about the same property. We have an old
order of conditions that was never

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properly closed out from 2009,
um which is what this agenda item is is

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to address, and then we have the the
current uh notice of intent filing for

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the proposed turf field installation at
the same property, which is a new notice

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of intent and requires a new order of
conditions. I think Scott has done some

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uh some work on uh the certificate of
compliance today, so I guess we'll give

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him a chance to update us on where this
is, but ultimately

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we're not ready at this point. Uh the
commission has not been provided enough

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information to issue that certificate of
compliance, so I'll let Scott uh

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you know, begin here, um and we also
have on the call today

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um representatives from Weston &
Sampson, which are uh acting as the

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commission's consultant on on this
project. They're reviewing both the

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certificate of compliance and the new
notice of intent. So, I'm going to go

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ahead and promote uh Scott Feria uh to
panelist.

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Um and I'm just going to go ahead and
also and promote James Pearson with um

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Weston & Sampson and Ariana Summers with
Weston & Sampson, um in case they, you

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know, want to begin um you know, kind of
discussing this.

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Um
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I did invite um
the uh City of Brockton's uh

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Commissioner of the
Commissioner of the Department of Health

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and Human Services, uh Wandeza McCauley.
Uh she is on the line

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um to kind of discuss the health impacts
of turf field, so uh we can do that

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maybe after we transition from the
certificate of compliance to the the

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turf field notice of intent uh
discussion.

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» All right. Uh
Thank you, Kyle. Can you guys hear me?

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» Yes.
>> For some reason, I don't have a video

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option, Kyle, so
maybe that's intentional and maybe

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that's a good thing.
>> Well, if you want me to share something,

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I think I've got all the revised docs. I
can throw it up if you if you would

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like.
>> Yeah, I can get the mute button, but for

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some reason, I don't have a video,
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I assume my video's working, maybe it's
not, but in any event, uh

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apparently don't want to hold things up
on that. So, uh just to speak quickly

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about the certificate of compliance, as
Kyle said it, it goes back to the order

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of conditions issued back in 2009.
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we
did some research and in the order of

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conditions was never recorded. Uh you
know, they need to be recorded at the

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registry of deeds to go along with it.
We need to fill out that information

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when we request the certificate of
compliance.

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Uh
the way we do things now, we have to

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actually show Kyle and the commission
that we've actually recorded the order

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of conditions before we start
construction as part of our

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pre-construction meeting. That didn't
happen in this case back, you know, 17

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years ago. So, I do have a copy of the
order of conditions. It's not the

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original. I went to the registry of
deeds today and unfortunately they were

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on lunch. Uh and I didn't get back there
in time. So, I'll try again tomorrow

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morning.
You know, I'm assuming they're not going

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to have a problem with it being a
photocopy.

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I'll reach out to Kyle and we'll have to
figure out exactly what we need to do to

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get uh to get that recorded. But I I
don't think it'll be an issue. But long

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story short, I need to get that recorded
and uh and get that information to Kyle

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and to the commission so we can proceed
with that certificate certificate of

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compliance. So, uh
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Kyle.

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» Okay, great. I know that the DEP just
issued technical comments on the new

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notice of intent. Um I think yesterday
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I think in those technical comments,
they they do discuss

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um the cut fill
calculations and and and and everything

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from the the old certificate just to
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you know, so it it's the review, as
mentioned before, is kind of tied

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together between the new notice of
intent and and that old order. So, we

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will take that into account as we move
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uh the review.
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So, I would assume we just want to jump
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notice of intent filing for the turf
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» Uh yeah, we should probably continue
this item to the September 16th meeting.

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The request for the certificate of
compliance.

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» So, we're looking for a motion to
continue uh request certificate of

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compliance from 2009 to the September
16th meeting, please.

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» I'll make a motion to continue the
request for the certificate of

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compliance for the 2009
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order of conditions for 0 Cedar Street
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meeting.

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» Motion seconded.
>> We have a motion made and seconded. Can

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I have a roll call vote, please?
>> Clay, I.

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» Green, I.
>> Matt, I.

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» Joyce, I. Joyce, you're muted.

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» Morse, I.
>> And Talbot, I. Motion passes. Uh

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» May I ask just a quick question, sir?
>> Absolutely.

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» Okay, I just
Do we have an updated like

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an as-built?
That was in the file, correct? For the

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for the field as a grassy field after
that that would be considered the the

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plan of record for the order of
conditions

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and for the compliance thing.
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submitted.
So, there was

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I'm sorry.
>> Do we have one that actually has like um

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values for the uh topography?
>> It It has the topography shown on it,

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yes. It It It Yeah. Yep.
>> I think maybe it was just very faint. I

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don't think I could see the um the
actual markings on it.

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Is it possible to get one just so we
could in the file so that way you'd be

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able to take a look at that?
>> Uh yeah, I think um I've I've got Scott,

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just correct me if I'm wrong. The
as-built that I have that I think you

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submitted for the request is the
as-built that was dated 2009. Is that

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right? There's not like a new 2026
as-built for the certificate of

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compliance, right?
>> No, that's correct, Kyle. It's a 2009

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as-built.
>> Okay.

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Yeah, I I've
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Uh Joyce, would you like me to share my
screen? I've got it pulled up.

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» quickly. If you could do it very
quickly, I maybe I just was trying to

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get it
I I just I couldn't get the clarity to

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be able to read what the
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the light gray kind of color here.
>> Yeah, I don't I just didn't see any

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numerical values for those contours.
>> Uh they're probably really I mean,

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they're there. They're just small.
And they're fuzzy.

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» this
>> Yeah, I I was just trying to make sense

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out of it relative I just was curious to
see how high was the field relative

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parking lot. How high is the parking lot
relative to the the bank that goes down

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to the bar?
>> Yeah, so you got like 87 here, 86, 86,

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87, 88, 89, 90, 91, 92, 93.
>> Yeah. Yeah, the field the field is

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roughly at elevation 87. Uh you know,
it's relatively flat until you hit that

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slope and it gets up to a little bit
right around elevation 93 at the at the

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parking lot. And then it slopes back
down on the backside again to the to the

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river.
>> Down to what what um can you read that

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left side formula?
>> 92 here all the way down to 97 and it

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may go
lower than that.

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» Yeah, it's like elevation I believe
>> 86, 85 maybe here.

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» Yeah, 80 86 close to the river. So that
there's a little bit of a berm there. So

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it you know, another
you know, another method of protection

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from all of this work. It it is a a
you know, an actual high berm there.

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There's probably about a about a 4-ft
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you know, once you drop off from the

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parking lot, so.
>> Okay, thank you.

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And you said there was drainage that was
provided for that grassy field, correct?

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» Yep, again, it was it was designed,
reviewed by

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uh by Novera Armstrong back in the day,
approved, and uh constructed according

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to plan.
>> Okay.

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» Good, Joyce.
>> It's okay.

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» Commissioners, any other questions on
filing uh

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agenda number one?
>> No questions here.

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» Uh we'll move to current filings. Agenda
number two is an NOI notice of intent

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for zero Center Street snow park.
>> All right.

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» Kyle?
>> Um yeah, thank you. Uh

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given that we've asked a special guest
to be here tonight, uh it might be uh

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courteous to allow uh Commissioner uh
McCollough to to speak now, um so

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she can then leave after after that
section is done, um

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through the chair, of course.
>> Absolutely.

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» All right, I will go ahead and promote
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Wadeza. And uh Wadeza mentioned that she
also invited um

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someone from her advisory council on
health,

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uh who is a director at at MassDEP. Um
so, if this other individual uh would

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like to raise their hand, I I'd be happy
to promote them as well.

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» Hi, how are you? How's everybody doing
tonight?

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» Hi.
>> Hi.

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» Um I'm just looking through the
participant list. I'm sorry.

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Um
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» Simpson has her hand up. Oh, she did.
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Denise Simpson, I think she's um I can't
see her, so I don't know if she's here,

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but
>> Yeah, and she she is, and I've I've

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promoted her a panelist, so she might be
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» Okay, got it. Yeah.
>> Thank you.

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» the other person. Um So, again, thank
you for inviting me. I'm Myisha

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McCollum, the Commissioner of uh Health
and Human Service Department of Health

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and Human Services for the City of
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Thank you, Kyle, for sending over the
comments that um were included for uh

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Snow Park. I looked specifically at um
the comments from WSC. I'm assuming

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that's Weston and Sampson.
>> Yes, that's correct. Yep.

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» Okay, perfect. Um and I honestly, I
don't have anything else. I'm not an

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expert in this field, so I'm not going
to act like I am, which is why I invited

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Deneen Simpson. Um she is currently um a
director uh with DEP, MassDEP. Um so,

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she would have extensively more
knowledge in this area than I do. But,

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from what I see that they proposed um
for, you know, anybody that we may be

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interested in uh providing this turf, um
what they provided, I think, is um

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thorough, including the research that um
they've done and have been able to

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review, um I think provides uh
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the good things for us to consider um
when we are uh looking to um bring on

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some company um or entity to provide um
a turf field, whether it is synthetic,

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natural, or hybrid. Um Deneen, uh
I'm going to invite you to, you know,

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say a few words um if you have any, you
know, comments or anything like that,

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any questions you want to raise, feel
free. And there's one other comment I

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would like to provide after she's done.
Thank you.

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» Uh thank you, Myisha, and thank you,
Concom. I'm not here in my capacity as

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the Director of Environmental Justice at
DEP, so please um yes, I I do work

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there, but I'm not here uh under that
capacity. I'm here to just to talk about

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this project
as a member of the advisory council and

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as a Brockton resident.
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I've heard a lot about turf fields,
obviously in my work, but I've also

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talked to a lot of community members
about concerns about turf fields and

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I've gone out to a lot of them.
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and a lot of comments that that I
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the amount of trees that have to be cut
down for these for this um

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turf field to be placed.
Um how hot they get.

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How
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you know, the misting that I I've also
asked about in in my capacity um just

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seeing seeing these turf fields. Um are
you putting any mist misting systems in

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in place?
I've also learned just through going to

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community meetings not in my role as the
director of ESE just because I'm

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interested in artificial turf myself
about why they're always being proposed

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in
black and brown communities. There's a

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lot of communities across the
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either a moratorium or they ban them and
I don't know where this is in the

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process for Brockton.
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but there's a reason why they're not
being placed there and I just want to

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make sure that
we are doing our due diligence to make

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sure that there is not
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for lack of a better word, pressure to
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whether it's, you know, we can't
maintain natural grass

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because of the cost and that's kind of a
selling point. And I also just to make

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note,
we can't dispose of this turf field

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after the 10 to 12 years that we are
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it.
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end up getting being stockpiled, and
where they're going to be stockpiled? I

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I don't know those questions or those
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um, but I also feel like there's a
reason why some of some other

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communities are not having these in
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that we are being smart
when we approve a project like this or

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when a project like this is is approved
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um, as to why other communities are
saying no, and we are sitting here

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saying yes. I know Brockton High has a
turf field. My kids went to Brockton

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High. I I recognize that, um, but
we have to ask ourselves why other

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communities are saying no and
why we are now undertaking another space

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in in Brockton to have an artificial
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There's really no connections to, you
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nature,
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and so you people are using that as
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cancers take a long time to to come to
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too late. The turf field's here, so I
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very careful and intentional and
deliberate when we're doing this and not

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just put it there because, you know,
there's a chance we're going to lose

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some federal funding. Um, that's not a
reason to put children at risk, um, just

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because we can play 100 more hours on a
field versus a natural grass that, you

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know, after a rainstorm can get, you
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To me, it's not worth it, and I want to
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doing the best for the the residents of
Brockton and and the student athletes

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that are playing on this field and not
just say, well, "If we don't get it,

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we're going to lose
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That's not a reason to do it. So, I just
wanted to say that, and again, this is

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not in my role as the director of EJ
DEP. Please do not misconstrue my role

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here tonight. It's as a resident of
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advisory council. Thank you.

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Hi. Sorry, I want to make one additional
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Scott. I'm sorry. Um so,
I My apologies for not stating this in

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the beginning. Deneen Simpson is a
member or council member of the advisory

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council on health, which is a
nine-member council that advises me on

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my role as a commissioner. So, she is uh
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an inaugural member of that of that
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she is has great insight in this area,
which is why again, I invited her to

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this meeting. Um
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a a field, a turf field, or whatever we
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a great opportunity for us to engage in
a research partnership with institutions

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who are looking to um address uh water
filtration and understanding PFA

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concentrations um in our water systems.
One of those institutions is UMass

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Amherst. They have a center dedicated to
understanding and building technology to

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filter out PFAs, to uh
measure PFAs in our water. So, if we do

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decide to go forward with this, again, I
have no say in this matter right now as

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of right now. Um I think this would be a
great opportunity for us to develop that

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research partnership with UMass Amherst.
We could be on the front lines of

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developing technologies when it comes to
uh PFA filtration systems, as well as

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measuring PFAs. Um I think that'll be a
great opportunity for Brockton um if we

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were to do something like this. Um so,
that is my suggestion um in the end. And

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and going forward I think, you know,
when we do have, you know, projects like

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this that are coming to the forefront,
please involve myself and the advisory

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council on health. We have a dearth of
expertise on that council that I think

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could provide great insight into a
number of different things including the

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projects that um you guys are engaging
in or want to engage in. Um so yes, I

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offer that to you as well. Thank you.

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» Um Wadesha and Nene, thank you both for
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or is that a new
>> Yes, please.

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» Oh, go ahead Scott. I'm sorry.
>> Thank Thank you, Mr. Chairman. So, uh

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well, I I certainly appreciate all those
comments and they

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they kind of echo the commission's
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we've done
a real you know, a a lot of research and

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have come up with uh
with alternatives with designs that

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address all of those issues.
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If could you just allow me to share my
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» Um sure, let's see what what we can do,
Scott.

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Give me a moment here. Let me try to
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» work this out.
>> So, I mean just just a couple of quick

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things as far as cutting down all the
trees for a soccer field, that's not a a

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uh an issue that we have in this case
since it's already a soccer field. So,

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we're not removing any trees to to build
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I mean the other one as far as turf

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fields being denied in in communities,
every high school you see built

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nowadays, every single one has a turf
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it's different, but every high school uh
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don't have turf fields
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I when they have a budget crunch and
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dollars, they get rid of the uh

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Am I
you, Kyle.

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They get rid of the

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the turf field just to as I said to save
a couple million dollars, but every

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other high school you see being built
nowadays has a turf field, not just

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Brockton High. The smaller schools, West
Bridgewater has a beautiful turf field

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right up on 106.
Southeastern Regional Tech in Easton

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where that accepts students from
Brockton, they have a turf field.

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There's Blue Hills and Can-
Everybody's got a turf field.

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So, I'm not sure what communities are
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» There's there's
um there's a lot, Mr. Faria. I I can

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tell you.
The city of Boston

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themselves no more public spaces can
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Nantucket, I believe, just banned any
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there's a few. I mean,
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isn't a
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» there's none.
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how many hours, hundreds of hours can we
play in a turf field versus a natural

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grass field? And the money that you're
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with not having to mow and how many
times you can practice. I understand all

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those things, but that is not a reason
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where
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much, much harder than natural grass.
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down, but then you don't have to worry
about 10 to 12 years, but then you do

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have to worry about it when you have to
get rid of it. Where are you going to

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put it?
>> I've got an answer to that, ma'am. So,

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uh
If I could go back to sharing, Kyle, I I

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» Uh yes, Scott. Are you able to share a
screen? If not, I can pull up the

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whatever you have.
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screen sharing.
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you like me to pull up? I I'll I'll get
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» to Yeah, I was hoping to call up what I
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synthetic turf product an environment uh
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an environmental summary
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So, I submitted that, I believe, to you
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Weston and Samson. But, uh while Kyle
digs for it, the the the turf material

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uh that we came up with after doing some
research, it's 100% recyclable. So,

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after that uh that 10-year period that
There you go. So, after that 10-year

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period, this is a a recyclable uh turf.
So, it it it's uh so, we don't have that

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issue. Uh the the second thing is
And this is more an issue that the

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commission members brought up at the
last meeting. Uh right there at the top

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of the screen, it says Brockfill organic
infill.

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The concern was about those little black
rubber pellets that you see bouncing up

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from the field when the players
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you know, drag across the field. So,
this is an organic uh infill material uh

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that's made from from trees. So, it it's
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going into uh going into the ground and
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as uh as you folks were concerned about
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as far as the temperature goes, also
with this type of a field, I believe on

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sheet nine of that uh
document that you have, Kyle. It has the

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it Again, the the commission members
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the uh the difference between the the
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temperature and the turf fields. Yeah, a
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There we go. Right at the bottom, it

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says the cooling. So, in that case, the
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with this Brock uh fill uh this type of
construction is 110°. The the typical

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artificial turf is up to 160. So, this
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we've tried to
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to do as much research and come up with
as many proposals as we can to to

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satisfy uh all of the concerns
of that the commission had. As far as

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the PFAS goes, and again, that was
discussed last week

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as well as tonight. Uh
Weston and Sampson was was uh good

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enough to share a a document and a memo
that they have from all of their work

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that they've done on uh artificial turf
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conclusion
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no
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there are no studies that that that show
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increase in in in the in the chemicals
that that we're worried about and that

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we discussed. So,
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I mean,
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I mean, besides the scary things that we
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if there's really anything here

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that we uh you know, that we can address
that we haven't addressed. I I I think

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we've addressed all of your concerns.
I'm not sure if there's

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anything else out there

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that would uh that would satisfy those.
I I I think we've taken care of all

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those concerns. I think the the studies
that we've submitted and uh that have

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been shared uh prove that this is safe
and safe to play on and safe for the

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kids to play on and and safe for the
environment both before, during, and

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after uh after its use. So.

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» Got another question. Do you know of any
locations where the proposed material

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and product that you're proposing here
have been installed?

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» I believe and and you can't hold me to
it. I'll I'll certainly check it. I

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believe it was Milton High School.
>> Okay.

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Thank you.
>> And I'm probably 100% wrong and but I'm

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I'm
you know, we was we were searching

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uh Massachusetts high schools and in
trying to find one that had uh that had

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something like this and and I'm almost
positive uh Mr. Talbot that's where we

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came up with this one.
>> Thank you. Um

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Kyle?
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the the material type that that's
proposed for the turf field, um you

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know, through uh discussions with myself
and uh Weston and Sampson, uh Scott's

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also proposing some different
water management BMPs

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uh to to deal with this. Scott, do you
want me to bring up the uh

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the the most recent site plan that you
submitted so you can kind of talk

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through what the
>> Yeah, thank you. Thank you, Kyle. Yeah.

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So, again
>> If I may, um just uh one um I just

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wanted to provide a few examples uh of
the Brock Fill that's used in uh

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different communities in Massachusetts.
Um there's uh one at Tufts University in

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Somerville,
uh the Park School in Brookline,

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uh the Minuteman Regional Vocational
Technical High School in Lexington,

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the Hamilton
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Regional High School in South Hamilton,
uh Foss Park uh from Massachusetts DCR

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in Somerville, as well as Everett's uh
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» Thank you.

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» So, is that actually
we're going to be contracting for Brock

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Fill? Is that part of this
um is that definite that that's going to

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be negotiated for Brock Fill?
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the specs that go out for bid, yes.
>> Because the unit cost was quite a bit

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higher than the other alternatives.
>> Mhm.

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Uh the Elijah those uh uh
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those uh
around any type of wetlands at all?

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» Uh that I'm not sure of.
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» The PFAS with wetlands is huge.

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» Yeah, so
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uh
again it was discussed last week. Mainly

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it was discussed about those
uh you know, the PFAS but also the the

426
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:35,720
rubber components of of the turf and the
the little rubber balls they get

427
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:39,560
leaching down and and ultimately
discharging to the uh

428
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:42,760
to the Trout Brook.
Uh

429
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:48,320
So again after after meeting with with
Kyle and Weston and Sampson, we we came

430
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:52,680
up with a a couple of uh best management
practices, a a couple of structures that

431
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:56,480
would uh that would
remove uh any of those particles and

432
00:29:55,880 --> 00:30:00,480
uh
so yeah, that's that's the right plan,

433
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:04,640
Kyle. If you can zoom up to the I guess
the bottom goalie area.

434
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:08,600
Uh
so we have a uh a water quality tank

435
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:13,040
shown
uh which would allow all of that to

436
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:16,640
settle out just like we would have in a
uh

437
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:20,960
in a in a parking lot to allow uh oil
and and antifreeze and anything else to

438
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:24,400
settle out. And then in front of that So
that's what we proposed and and we

439
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:27,320
thought that would that would settle it.
When we met with Weston and Sampson

440
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:31,280
yesterday, uh
they brought up something that that we

441
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:34,440
hadn't uh really worked with, which is a
a jellyfish,

442
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:39,480
uh which is what they call it. And
really if you it's a it's kind of a

443
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:43,600
structure in front of that water quality
uh structure that we have. So we would

444
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:47,120
have this jellyfish, we'll keep calling
it, structure, and then the water would

445
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:51,040
go from the jellyfish and into the water
quality tank. Basically, the jellyfish,

446
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:55,240
when you look at it, it's kind of it's
almost like a pool filter that has a

447
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:58,920
bunch of fingers sticking down in the
you know, the water filters through the

448
00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:04,680
fingers that stick down and and any kind
of sediments get trapped on the fingers.

449
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:09,440
It allows theoretically clean water then
to go in this case to the water quality

450
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:12,280
structure. There everything settles out
and again uh

451
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:15,600
you know, the treated water would then
discharge to the to the flared end

452
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:19,280
section and through the riprap. So,
those two

453
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:23,160
uh those two measures, two separate and
distinct uh structures

454
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:27,480
uh should
uh you know, should guarantee that

455
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:31,600
that's giving it any particles that that
get that leach through the ground

456
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:34,400
uh that get settled out and do not get
discharged

457
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:37,520
uh over the property and eventually out
to the Trout Brook. So,

458
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:42,680
uh those are the two things that we've
added since the last meeting.

459
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:46,440
» And could you just point it out, Kyle,
whoever has control of the mouse?

460
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:50,000
Where's I see the jellyfish thing, but
>> Yeah, so so

461
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:54,000
just I'm going to take a big overview
here, right? So, we've got the whole

462
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:58,800
field here. You've got these diagonal uh
these are pipes that are leading to uh a

463
00:31:56,320 --> 00:32:02,240
kind of a main pipe on either side, the
west side

464
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:05,320
and the east side flowing southward.
>> They're under the turf?

465
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:09,040
» Under the turf, yep. Uh and then there's
a connecting pipe from the corner of the

466
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:13,320
field that brings the water from both of
those pipes on the west and the east

467
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:16,160
side down to uh this feature, which is
that jellyfish

468
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:19,640
structure
um that Scott was referring to. The

469
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:24,680
water flows from that jellyfish
structure, which is that first D with a

470
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:28,920
circle down into this uh rectangle, uh
which is the water quality structure. Uh

471
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:31,880
and then the outflow from that uh goes
down into this area that's discharged

472
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,640
into the riprap.
>> Mhm.

473
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:36,640
» Okay, then
>> So, it's really it Yeah, it's the it's

474
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:41,920
It's the same construction that we would
do for a parking lot construction into a

475
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:46,080
uh into a drainage basin except adding
this jellyfish just as a as a second

476
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:50,480
means of protection or a first means of
protection before the the water quality

477
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:54,240
structure. So it it's uh
it's really the the typical thing that

478
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:57,280
we do for a parking area.
>> Mhm.

479
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:59,480
Mhm.
>> Okay.

480
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:07,600
» Um
uh Mr. Chair, just I wanted to also

481
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:13,000
provide a little more information. I did
uh try to well um the discussion was

482
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:17,720
happening look some stuff up. Um the
there are a few examples of

483
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:21,200
the
um

484
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:28,120
uh proposed Brockton Phil uh
next to wetlands. Um in those cases

485
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:34,720
they were at the um
Minuteman Regional Vocational School in

486
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:41,000
Lexington, uh the Park School in
Brookline, and the Foss Park in

487
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:46,440
Somerville. Um I looked in apparently
DCR specifically prioritizes that

488
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:53,400
type of fill when they are
using you know state managed land. Um so

489
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:56,920
that is a few cases where that happens.
Um

490
00:33:54,240 --> 00:34:02,080
and overall I just wanted to you know
thank the commission

491
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:06,360
uh and Kyle the conservation agent um
Wood Asian Collar the commissioner as

492
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:10,159
well as uh
the

493
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:13,280
uh new advisory
um

494
00:34:10,879 --> 00:34:18,720
uh council member.
Um in in this uh discussion I think this

495
00:34:15,399 --> 00:34:25,320
all helps um with the ultimate goal that
Brockton have a new field soccer field

496
00:34:22,240 --> 00:34:28,639
to provide an amenity to the surrounding
neighborhoods. Thank you.

497
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:35,360
» Thanks, Elijah.
Um

498
00:34:33,679 --> 00:34:39,840
Kyle, can we open this up for discussion
again amongst the commission?

499
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:42,560
» Of course, yeah.
>> So, Western & Sampson is also

500
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:45,720
» Yeah, Western yeah. It's an ass.
>> Yeah, I was going to say or West can we

501
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:48,040
go to them go to Western Sampson or
whoever's here to speak on this, we'd

502
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:51,840
love to hear from you.
>> So, yeah, I promoted um James Pearson

503
00:34:50,639 --> 00:34:54,879
and
uh Rihanna Summers from Western &

504
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:57,720
Sampson, I think. Can you just confirm
me? Yeah, they're in the

505
00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:02,360
back in the attendees. Let me try to
promote James again. Again, so so we are

506
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:07,760
actively going through this peer review
process. Uh this the plan set that you

507
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:10,840
uh see before you that that we just saw
with those new features, that was just

508
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:14,760
submitted yesterday. So, there's still
some technical review that needs to be

509
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:19,760
done before we uh get a a final letter
of recommendation uh from Western &

510
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:24,240
Sampson. Additionally, the uh the the
wetland resource areas, so that the bank

511
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:28,600
and there's a little BVW on the east
side, uh those need to be redelineated

512
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:33,040
cuz the delineation that you're seeing
on this plan or that you saw on that

513
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:36,520
plan uh were from the 2009 orders, so
those need to be refreshed. Uh and then

514
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:39,360
I'm going to go out and and confirm
those flags. So, there's still

515
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:44,400
additional work that needs to be done,
so this is not an approval plan set at

516
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:49,440
the moment. Um but, you know, I will go
ahead and promote um

517
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:54,400
James and I'm going to look for
Rihanna in case they have any anything

518
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:58,760
else to to add. Um but, you know, we are
actively kind of going through this

519
00:35:56,280 --> 00:36:03,680
review process.
>> Hi, Kyle. Sorry, I don't want to um

520
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:09,360
interrupt. Are we Denia and I still
needed um for

521
00:36:06,240 --> 00:36:09,360
the continued discussion?

522
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:17,040
» Justin?
>> Um well, I I would ask the commission is

523
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:21,040
that do would you guys like them to hang
around or are they okay to leave?

524
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:24,280
» Well, why why don't we offer the
commission an opportunity to ask any

525
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:28,800
questions to to those two individuals
specifically before we we move on so

526
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:32,760
they can leave if if if there are no
other questions.

527
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,760
» Sure.

528
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:39,040
So, I have a couple of questions.
Um

529
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:43,240
I in preparing for this meeting did some
research and looked at the town of

530
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:47,680
Arlington's artificial turf study
committee that they did back in April of

531
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:51,240
2024, and they had quite a few concerns
on the

532
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:54,520
the alternative infill materials.
Um

533
00:36:52,720 --> 00:36:58,680
They had, you know, suggested
replacements that even though they're

534
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:02,520
less toxic
and may be cooler to the surface, it

535
00:37:01,240 --> 00:37:07,360
still
wouldn't be comparable to the

536
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:14,040
the temperature of natural grass. So, I
guess to me that says a lot about the

537
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:17,840
quality and the surface concerns that we
would have because we're I think our

538
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:20,880
approach to this is that we're thinking
it's just going to be children playing

539
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:24,880
on this field, but isn't this going to
be a community soccer park? So, it's

540
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:29,480
going to be for everyone, right? Not
just children. It'd be for

541
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:33,360
other people. So,
I want to make sure that we're top of

542
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:38,800
mind that we're thinking about everyone
in the community as we and, you know,

543
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:42,840
doing this work. Um they also talked
about wanting um

544
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:48,480
about damage to the turf field, um
having additional signage, you know,

545
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:52,200
alternating existing signage, um
used for health risks associated. So, I

546
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:57,240
guess some of these things on those very
hot days where we're getting 90° weather

547
00:37:55,360 --> 00:38:04,520
or or more,
what how would this secure safety in

548
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:10,000
those instances, I guess? I mean, do we
really need In my mind, I just don't

549
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:13,240
think we need this many turfed fields in
the community when there's a high school

550
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:16,720
that people can go and use if it's
already there, or we can use what's

551
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:22,720
already been approved across the city.
Do we really need an additional grassy

552
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:29,040
area to be turned into turf instead of
retaining the grass that naturally could

553
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:29,040
work in the community.

554
00:38:37,720 --> 00:38:46,000
» Willie, I don't know if um that question
was posed to Deanne and I or is that

555
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:49,720
just a general question you have for
>> Just

556
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:54,240
just a general question. I mean if if
Deanne has some insight, again, I know

557
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:58,040
you know in your capacity as advisory,
you might have a little bit more

558
00:38:55,360 --> 00:39:02,480
knowledgeable research on these varying
things. Um I just wanted to you just

559
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:05,880
understand cuz again, it is top of mind
and it is a a huge discussion amongst

560
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:09,320
other places in the state. I could see
if we were saying that there were 100,

561
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:14,800
you know, we have a lot of communities
in Massachusetts and we're only talking

562
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:19,120
about a handful of places that have this
turf and we're saying, you know, I don't

563
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:23,360
think we're
making I don't think to me it makes

564
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:27,840
sense that it would quantify us to make
these changes if they're absolutely

565
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,840
unnecessary.

566
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:39,880
» So, Ms. Clay, the only thing I would say
about that in my personal experience,

567
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:45,120
nothing to do with my work, is
the natural grass obviously is the safer

568
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:51,080
road to go. But with that
comes a budget. And so, when there is no

569
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:55,520
budget to maintain natural grass,
that's when people are talking about

570
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:59,600
artificial turf because it's
less maintenance needed, more hours of

571
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:06,200
play,
and that's the selling feature.

572
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:10,200
Um the artificial turf fields that I'm
aware of that I've

573
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:14,200
been to
are probably not made of the material

574
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:17,320
that Mr. Farina has been has been
speaking about or Mr. Romulus has been

575
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:21,680
speaking about
um but the concerns

576
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:24,520
are the temperature
the

577
00:40:23,240 --> 00:40:27,600
lack of
um

578
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:30,960
you know you know misting
that comes up from the from the turf to

579
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:33,920
cool off the the the people on the on
the fields

580
00:40:32,240 --> 00:40:38,960
um and
the turf fields

581
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:42,640
not being recyclable not no place to put
them which Mr. Farry has has has made a

582
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:48,080
statement that you know it's all
recyclable so that's that's great. But

583
00:40:45,720 --> 00:40:53,000
the reality is
artificial turfs while they may be at a

584
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:57,880
lot of high schools they may be at Tufts
there are people taking positions

585
00:40:55,160 --> 00:41:00,760
against having artificial turf versus
natural grass.

586
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:04,960
And
to keep

587
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:09,640
pushing the the message about
more hours of play

588
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:15,440
does not
put some of the parents or the players

589
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:19,000
at ease when you don't know what some of
the risks could possibly be. And I'm not

590
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:22,960
saying about this particular field cuz I
don't know really know a lot about it

591
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:27,840
but just the fields that I have visited
the people that I've spoken to

592
00:41:25,240 --> 00:41:32,680
um there's concerns about what the tire
crumb is made of what the the grass

593
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:36,320
blades are made of you know in addition
to the heat and and and health issues so

594
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:39,920
um
you know natural grass is always the

595
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:44,680
best option but when you don't have a
budget for it you opt for the turf

596
00:41:43,240 --> 00:41:48,280
and then you think about 10 or 12 years
down the road when you have to replace

597
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:51,480
it or remove it then you think about how
am I going to replace it then as opposed

598
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:54,760
to
monthly budgets of who's going to mow

599
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:58,240
who's going to clean who's going to do
this where's that funding going to come

600
00:41:56,040 --> 00:42:01,600
from and it
to me it's

601
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:07,400
and I'm not speaking to about anybody
here it's a little bit of

602
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:13,320
manipulation on some of the communities
that have been

603
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:17,280
getting these artificial turfs because
there was so many communities that

604
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:20,320
are saying no to them.
And I'm not talking about high schools

605
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:23,080
here. I'm talking about just communities
themselves.

606
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:26,880
So, I don't know if that answers your
question, but that's the space that I'm

607
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:31,080
coming from as a resident of Brockton
and a member member of the advisory

608
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,080
council.

609
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,240
» Thank you, Denine.

610
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:38,880
Joyce?
>> Um I do believe that's not

611
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:43,440
maintenance-free anyway from what I've
read about Brockton. There are daily

612
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:47,520
maintenance, weekly maintenance, monthly
maintenance, quarterly maintenance,

613
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:51,240
annual maintenance that has to be done
as well to be able to make sure that

614
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:55,760
that field is replaced and make sure
that it that the wear is is is even and

615
00:42:54,120 --> 00:43:00,520
there's there's uh there's a whole
battery of um of maintenance. I don't

616
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:04,240
think it's maintenance-free. Perhaps
it's mow-free.

617
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:07,520
Um I did have a question about the
pipes. Those pipes Can I switch to that

618
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:12,920
now or is that
the pipes that are underneath the that

619
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:17,960
you had on that um
that plan set?

620
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:23,080
» Um Mr. Chair, uh just uh I just wanted
to check um

621
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:29,400
do uh the uh invited guests still have
to stay on or are they allowed to

622
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:34,360
go about the evening?
>> Great question. Uh commissioners, any

623
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:38,000
anything for Wedadja or um
Denine?

624
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:42,200
» I did want to say thank you so much both
of you for for coming and and for

625
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:44,040
sharing. Um our hearts are with you,
actually.

626
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:47,960
» Yeah, I just wanted to thank you both.
>> Thank you.

627
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:52,040
» Um I have one question for Denine. Uh
you mentioned the misting and I think

628
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:55,920
just recently you mentioned that mist is
there to kind of uh cool off the

629
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:59,000
players. Is that also uh supposed to be
a feature to kind of reduce the

630
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:04,640
temperature of the field on hot days
with like the evaporation or is that

631
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:09,200
misting feature specifically like for
players as they're using the field?

632
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:13,400
» It's misting to cool down the field
because of the rising temperature versus

633
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:15,240
unnatural grass.
>> Understood.

634
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:18,360
» It isn't to
I mean, maybe some of the players go

635
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:21,480
underneath it, I don't know, you know,
or stand near it, but it's it's

636
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:26,640
specifically
um for cooling down the field so that it

637
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:29,880
is not as hot as as it can get.
>> Okay. Thank you.

638
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:29,880
» Thank you.

639
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,480
» Anyone else?

640
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:42,600
No?
>> Thank you all for inviting us. Um

641
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:47,720
again, if there are any projects or
initiatives that you're considering and

642
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:52,200
you would like our input, feel free to
reach out to us. We'll be happy to

643
00:44:50,240 --> 00:44:53,720
attend a meeting.
Thank you.

644
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:57,400
» All right, thank you so much.
>> your time.

645
00:44:55,240 --> 00:45:03,280
» Yes, thank you very much.
Uh Kyle, do we want to go to uh Rihanna

646
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:07,720
and James first before
we go into looking at like Joyce

647
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:10,320
requested for the field with the pipes
and all that?

648
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:13,400
» Yeah, sure.
>> Can I just I'm sorry, can I pop in

649
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:18,400
really quickly? There's I don't know if
we're going to do a a public

650
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:21,400
question question because there's some
question in the chat.

651
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:25,560
I just want to just
keep that in anyone's

652
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:30,480
um mind
if we are going to entertain um

653
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:32,720
that's chatting or in the public
discussion.

654
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:36,320
» it before the end of
this specific discussion topic. You

655
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:39,840
know, before we finish the meeting, this
is a public hearing, so we should allow

656
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:41,760
public comment.
>> Okay.

657
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:44,080
» But that doesn't have to be right now.
We can do that at the end.

658
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:48,440
» Okay.
>> Um

659
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:53,000
as a uh just a point of clarification,
typically with uh public comments, uh

660
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:56,360
they
should be providing a name and uh street

661
00:45:55,200 --> 00:46:00,000
address
just so that it's, you know, it can be

662
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:03,320
included in the record. If that person
is still around, just so that they can

663
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:06,920
kind of
have that opportunity. Thank you.

664
00:46:16,240 --> 00:46:21,600
» Um Kyle, who would you like to speak for
us? Uh Rihanna, would you like to speak

665
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:26,600
or
>> Sure. Um yeah, I guess just to make sure

666
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:30,600
I'm understanding um were you looking
for us to kind of summarize like our

667
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:35,160
synthetic turf specific comments or
would it be helpful to just give kind of

668
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:39,360
an overview of um what our back and
forth with the applicant has been so far

669
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:43,640
just on the NOI in general?
Um I know we had several comments kind

670
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:46,760
of just on various elements of the NOI,
but I don't I don't know if we were

671
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:52,600
sticking with synthetic turf for now or
just kind of overall

672
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,600
comments.

673
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,720
» Oh, Justin, you're muted.

674
00:47:00,720 --> 00:47:06,520
» Sorry, I'm having difficulties here.
Should we go over the overview first or

675
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:09,720
what would you like to go over?
>> Yeah, sure. Let's uh

676
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:14,840
Rihanna, why don't you just do a quick
overview of of the of the peer review

677
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:19,560
to date and then maybe outline the like
kind of the game plan moving forward. I

678
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:24,400
think that's important so we can kind of
understand what what to expect in 2

679
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:28,880
weeks. Um and then that way that the
commission can

680
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:32,920
you know, if they're okay with that game
plan and that path forward, wonderful.

681
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:36,200
If if they want additional things to be
addressed, you know, that would be

682
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:39,280
helpful, I think to know going into the
16th.

683
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:43,720
» Sure. Yeah, definitely.
Um so, we've had a couple rounds of

684
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:48,040
comments back and forth with the
applicant's engineer over the last 2

685
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:51,600
weeks or so.
Um

686
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:56,200
originally we received um a draft of the
original draft of the NOI.

687
00:47:53,880 --> 00:48:00,920
Um we reviewed that kind of as a whole
and then provided some initial comments.

688
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:06,960
Um at that time we were still waiting
for the COC request um to be submitted.

689
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:11,720
So first we just reviewed the NOI.
Um and I'm just pulling up those

690
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:18,000
comments. Um but several of our comments
were honestly pretty like minor more

691
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:22,720
administrative things. Um like um just
little like boxes like buffer zone only

692
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:26,520
was checked off on the Wetlands
Protection Act form um but of course

693
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:30,280
there's work in flood plain so that was
one of our comments. Um and there were a

694
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:36,440
few others kind of along those lines
like easy fixes. Um so several of those

695
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:41,400
type administrative comments. Um but the
bigger comments that we had in our

696
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:46,760
initial review were um
the depiction of the 100-year flood

697
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:53,320
plain on the plans. Um I we noticed that
the initial set of plans showed the FEMA

698
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:57,360
um polygon boundary of the zone AE um
zone X boundary on the plans.

699
00:48:55,920 --> 00:49:01,320
Um and we basically asked them like
please remove like the polygon and just

700
00:48:59,240 --> 00:49:07,160
show it based off mapped on the
appropriate base flood elevation. Um

701
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:11,400
which is the 91-ft contour.
Um so that was that was kind of like one

702
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:15,720
of the bigger comments. Um and then
there were a couple other plain comments

703
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:21,560
like adding the local um 25- and 50-ft
buffer zones um color coding to fit the

704
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:25,040
commission's policy document. Um
and then one of the other bigger

705
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:30,240
comments was regarding the com-
pensatory flood storage plan. Um I know

706
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:35,720
that the applicant provided um flood
storage calculations for the

707
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:41,080
both the previously approved um existing
soccer field. Um which was constructed

708
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:46,840
in a way that there was access um
compensatory flood storage provided for

709
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:51,120
that original existing project. Um and
we looked at those calculations compared

710
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:57,120
to the proposed compensatory flood
storage. Um and and overall, um, the

711
00:49:54,400 --> 00:50:03,080
applicant claims that there's a net, um,
cut within the flood plain proposed for

712
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:07,480
this project um, when the previous flood
storage from the original project is

713
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:13,880
taken into account. Um, but one of our
comments was that at at a certain

714
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:18,840
elevation between elevations 85 and 87
ft, um, there appeared to be a net fill

715
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:24,120
within flood plain. Um, and under the
regulations, of course, they require

716
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:28,920
that you provide, um, compensatory flood
storage, basically a net loss at each

717
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:33,040
incremental elevation. So, even though
they they were claiming, you know,

718
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:38,000
there's a net loss, um, or a net cut
within flood plain, our comment was, is

719
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:41,840
there a net fill at any elevations? Um,
cuz it looked like at those specific

720
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:47,200
elevations, there was a fill.
Um, and then we we asked about, um, just

721
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:51,600
providing a general write-up of
compliance with the, um, performance

722
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:55,880
standards for bordering land subject to
flooding,

723
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:59,960
um, which the applicant, um, provided in
our next round of review.

724
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:05,120
And then we had a couple questions, kind
of big picture questions about the

725
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:09,440
synthetic turf, um, asking about, um,
first we just asked for, um, additional

726
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:16,400
information on the specific type of turf
that was proposed, um, and then, um, we

727
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:21,240
asked about the potential for the turf
fibers and infill materials to migrate,

728
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:25,160
um, through the storm water.
Um,

729
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:29,920
we then, um, so we submitted those
comments, the applicant's engineer then

730
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:35,000
submitted revised NOI materials a few
days later. Um, they also submitted the

731
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:38,120
COC request at that time, so we reviewed
both of those things.

732
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:41,920
Um,
for the COC request, our main comments,

733
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:46,560
I think Scott already kind of
summarized, but it's the recording of

734
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:50,080
the original order of conditions at the
registry.

735
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:53,400
Um, the as-built plans that were
provided weren't stamped, so that was

736
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:56,240
one of our comments. They should be
stamped by

737
00:51:54,840 --> 00:52:00,240
a PE.
Um,

738
00:51:57,080 --> 00:52:04,320
and then the original COC request um
stated that the soccer field was

739
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:09,600
constructed
substantially in compliance um with the

740
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:14,520
original NOI, but it appeared that there
were some differences in the grading um

741
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:19,320
between the original NOI and the
constructed field. Um, so we just asked

742
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:22,640
for some more detail on um what the
deviations were.

743
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:27,480
Um,
and then today the applicant provided

744
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:33,400
some additional information about that
um describing the grading changes

745
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:40,760
um that we'll take a closer look at.
Um, so that's basically the COC request.

746
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:46,320
And then the NOI we received um a
response to our original comments.

747
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:52,720
And a few of the outstanding items um
were we asked that a delineation report

748
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:56,440
or and or data forms be provided. Um,
they had some information about the

749
00:52:54,320 --> 00:53:00,320
delineation, but just would like to
confirm like the date the delineation

750
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:04,880
occurred. It sounds like the flags need
to it needs to be reflagged. Um, and

751
00:53:02,720 --> 00:53:08,000
then data forms um
supporting documentation for the

752
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:13,040
delineation.
Um, the depiction of the flood plain

753
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:17,560
boundaries on the plans have been
corrected and they're now shown at that

754
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:21,680
correct 91-ft contour.
Um,

755
00:53:18,720 --> 00:53:28,040
but I think we still have some questions
regarding the proposed fill between

756
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:32,440
elevations 86 and 87. Um, cuz I know
that there's still a net cut, but one of

757
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:36,600
our comments was basically if there's
fill at any of the incremental

758
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:41,080
elevations. Um,
technically

759
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:46,840
that's not allowable um unless it's de
minimis and I saw that DEP um, just

760
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:51,160
issued a similar comment um, today or
yesterday.

761
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:54,000
Um, and then um, we would recommend
Well, we would defer to the commission

762
00:53:52,520 --> 00:54:00,200
on whether they would recommend this,
but technically a project that have more

763
00:53:56,720 --> 00:54:03,440
than 5,000 square feet of impact to BLSF
would trigger a wildlife habitat

764
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:07,560
evaluation.
Um, and I know that the applicant

765
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:11,280
provided some information on that, but
um, one of our comments was basically

766
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:15,840
saying the commission may wish to
request like a formal wildlife habitat

767
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:18,760
evaluation be conducted.
Um,

768
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:22,480
and then
And James, I don't know if you want to

769
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:26,880
summarize kind of briefly the stormwater
um, and PFAS comments.

770
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:38,960
Not sure. Um,

771
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:43,200
» Uh, yeah, he's he's been promoted uh,
Rihanna.

772
00:54:42,240 --> 00:54:48,120
» Okay.
Yeah, I can if he's not available, I can

773
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:52,240
try to just summarize. I know that um,
>> Sorry, I'm I'm here. Yeah, I I was

774
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:55,120
trying to find my my
my buttons.

775
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:58,240
» Technology.
>> Okay.

776
00:54:56,440 --> 00:55:03,680
Yeah, so um, Rihanna, you're asking me
to summarize the the P the PFAS issue?

777
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:08,320
» PFAS and then um, just the stormwater
comments kind of to date from the

778
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:11,560
initial review to now.
>> Yeah, absolutely. So, in their initial

779
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:15,000
review um,
what we did is we first kind of examined

780
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:18,840
what the applicant was doing with
respect to potentially adding more

781
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:21,800
impervious area to the site, and uh, we
determined that they're not adding more

782
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:25,760
impervious area.
Um, they're they're really only making

783
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:28,600
changes to the field itself. So, from
our point of view, they're not really

784
00:55:26,720 --> 00:55:32,600
changing the hydrology from a standpoint
that would require um, the provision of

785
00:55:30,720 --> 00:55:38,440
additional stormwater detention over and
above what's already on the site. Um,

786
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:41,200
likewise uh, not a need for infiltration
BMPs

787
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:45,640
or or uh
stormwater quality BMPs at least from

788
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:48,600
the standpoint of the stormwater
handbook, which regulates total

789
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:50,920
suspended solids off of impervious
areas.

790
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:56,600
Now,
there was the separate issue of um

791
00:55:54,360 --> 00:56:00,520
the the turf itself because we we do
know that uh

792
00:55:58,680 --> 00:56:06,080
that uh some concerns were were
expressed about, you know, making sure

793
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:09,840
that the environmental the uh
artificial turf system would would

794
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:13,800
not have any negative environmental
impacts. And so, we tried to comment on

795
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:18,120
that, and we've had a lot of experience
with this issue because our our company

796
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:22,160
has also been involved in uh
artificial turf designs um

797
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:25,200
throughout throughout New England and
and throughout the East Coast, really.

798
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:28,960
Um
and one of the one of the issues that

799
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:33,160
bubbles up to the top frequently um
well, there's really a few issues. One

800
00:56:30,240 --> 00:56:36,120
of them being, you know, migration of
some of the infill material leaving the

801
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:40,360
site.
Then, there's also the issue of

802
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:44,480
um some people bring up concerns about
microplastics.

803
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:48,360
And then, one of the final issues has to
do with um

804
00:56:46,240 --> 00:56:51,040
growing concern over over PFAS because
we're finding that more and more like in

805
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:54,720
drinking water supplies and things of
that nature.

806
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:58,800
And so, what we did in our in in our
comment letter that we provided to the

807
00:56:56,480 --> 00:57:02,680
applicant was we uh
made some some suggestions about some

808
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:07,480
pathways they should explore with
regards to protecting the stormwater

809
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:11,960
um and providing some treatment in order
to prevent the infill material

810
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:15,120
from from escaping and, you know,
and then, you know, to to some degree,

811
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:18,920
it may also help with the the
microplastic issue.

812
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:23,160
And then, the third issue of uh PFAS
contamination, we have a a comprehensive

813
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:25,600
memo that we had assembled after doing
quite a bit of research over the last

814
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:28,840
several years
on the PFAS issue.

815
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:32,440
And uh
this has been authored by um some of our

816
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:35,800
staff internally
who who studied the issue very carefully

817
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:39,920
in response to growing concerns from
different communities. And so, we have a

818
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:44,720
whole testing protocol that was
presented in in that attachments to our

819
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:49,240
letter that talks about um, some best
practices that that could be could be

820
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:52,520
taken during construction just to ensure
that the material that's brought inside

821
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:56,240
doesn't have any any any contamination
present. Um,

822
00:57:54,920 --> 00:58:00,160
so that that's really kind of a
high-level synopsis of that. So,

823
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:05,600
I'll uh
turn it back to you, Rina.

824
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:10,640
» Great. Yeah, thanks, James.
Um, but yeah, I think that was basically

825
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:15,240
our high-level summary of our comments.
I'm sure I'm missing some of the smaller

826
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:19,960
ones. Um, I The only other thing I can
think of was one of the big things um,

827
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:24,160
we had talked with the applicant was
that DEP had an issue with their file

828
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:28,880
number, but like we've discussed, I saw
that they did issue some of their own

829
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:33,480
comments um, just yesterday. So, I would
encourage the applicant just to take a

830
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:38,200
look at those. Um, just from a quick
glance, a lot of them seem similar to

831
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:43,320
the things we've already like discussed
or had in our own comments. Um, but I

832
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:47,840
did see one of their comments
discusses um, I'm just looking at them

833
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:52,600
now, but one of their comments was
asking about incorporating the

834
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:59,400
compensatory flood storage from the
prior project into the flood zone on the

835
00:58:57,160 --> 00:59:03,120
current site. Um, so it seems like they
may be asking for some updates to the

836
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:07,280
calculations.
Um, so from at least from DEP's comments

837
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:12,920
perspective, it seems like that was one
of the newer ones that we hadn't

838
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:12,920
specifically called out yet.

839
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:26,440
» Rina, thank you.
James, thank you.

840
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:30,520
And Kyle?
>> Um, I don't really have any additional

841
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:35,000
comments. I think that
you know, maybe we can throw this back

842
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:40,440
at Scott for a second and see
um, given the DEP comments, um,

843
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:44,680
you know, I know that the the the plan
that was submitted yesterday

844
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:47,960
or or the day before that we looked at
with the new features, um, isn't the

845
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:52,640
final plan set. We need to have the
updated, you know, uh, delineation

846
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:58,040
included there, but um,
and we'll have to address the DEP

847
00:59:54,200 --> 01:00:03,520
comments, but um, is this at from Scott,
your perspective, uh, close to the final

848
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:08,520
plan as far as the, uh,
mitigation features that that that

849
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:12,440
are on the table for being proposed
currently?

850
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:16,800
Like there are no new, based upon
comments with Weston & Sampson and

851
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:20,040
everything, there's no like additional
mitigation that you're proposing, uh,

852
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:24,120
that's kind of on the table that just
hasn't been implemented yet. Is that

853
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:24,120
right?

854
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:29,160
» Uh, Scott, sorry, you're on mute.

855
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:33,480
» Thank you.
Uh,

856
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:37,080
you know, like Rihanna said, from from
both Weston & Sampson's comment and

857
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:41,240
DEP's comment,
they were asking for some additional,

858
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:46,200
uh, flood calculations and we do have
that one elevation stage where there is

859
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:48,200
an increase, uh, in fill on the site.
So,

860
01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:52,880
uh,
our argument was that it was de minimus

861
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:57,360
and when you look at the whole overall
area, it it wasn't amounting to, uh, to

862
01:00:55,960 --> 01:01:01,480
all that much when you look at the whole
flood area. Uh,

863
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:05,680
there there was already, uh,
kind of a, uh, an increase in that

864
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:10,520
elevation previously proposed, you know,
back 15 years ago. There's been no

865
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:14,800
flooding issues on the field, so we're
hoping we wouldn't have to, uh, do a

866
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:19,520
whole bunch of earthwork just to make
that one contour match exactly, but if

867
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:24,240
it's a sticking point, DEP brought it
up, Weston & Sampson brought it up, we

868
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:27,440
can just push around our grading and and
it's a math exercise. We can make the

869
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:31,160
numbers work. So, I
I think the bottom line, Kyle, and I I

870
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:34,720
think what you're kind of pointing to, I
I think everything that Weston and

871
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:38,840
Sampson has brought up
in in their couple looks at it, most of

872
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:43,120
those we've addressed. There's a few
left to to take care of.

873
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:47,480
Uh I think DEP's issue's the same.
There's a few things to take care of. It

874
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:51,560
It It doesn't change the fact that
there's going to be a turf field

875
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:55,320
proposed
within the flood plain and within the

876
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:58,280
100-ft buffer zone, uh you know, in the
Conservation Commission's jurisdiction.

877
01:01:56,960 --> 01:02:02,120
So, we're going to make all those
changes tomorrow and Friday and get it

878
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:05,600
back to Weston and Sampson, get it back
to uh

879
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:09,000
to Whitney at DEP and and and get it to
you and and everybody's happy. We've

880
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:12,160
addressed everything.
It's still going to be a turf field with

881
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:18,440
that underdrain system with the
jellyfish and the water quality tank

882
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:21,200
discharging to a a pipe and riprap uh
in in that lower section of the field.

883
01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:24,480
So,
I'm not sure that

884
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:27,480
there's nothing we're going to do that's
going to change what we have for a

885
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:29,920
proposal. So,
uh

886
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:33,800
» Right. I mean, my my question, Scott,
was was kind of just so uh

887
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:37,240
you know, we're like 90% of the way
there or more, right? Like,

888
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:42,440
what we got isn't the final plan set,
but like we're not you are not proposing

889
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:45,080
or you don't think there's going to need
to be any real major changes

890
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:47,840
» No.
>> outside of some just shifting some

891
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:49,440
things around, some some math, as you
say,

892
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:53,440
» Correct.
>> for this up The reason I I I asked for

893
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:56,680
that clarification is that way the
commission can take a look at the

894
01:02:54,560 --> 01:03:00,560
current plan set, recognizing that it's
not the final plan set, but this is

895
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:04,200
generally what we're working with. Um
so, they can then take the next couple

896
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:08,240
weeks to to kind of review what we've
got here. Obviously, they'll have access

897
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:11,680
to the to the revised plan set, but this
is kind of what we're working with at

898
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:15,880
this point, and this is more or less
what we think is going to be mostly the

899
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:20,040
the final plan set as as as will be
presented to the commission

900
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:23,720
on the 16th.
>> I agree. Yes, that is the that's our

901
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:26,360
feeling. Yes.
Thank you.

902
01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:29,320
» Um I guess circling back to to one of
the comments that Rihanna had mentioned

903
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:33,360
was the the question of about the
habitat assessment. Um I think that the

904
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:36,720
commission should weigh in on that uh to
give

905
01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:43,080
uh the applicant, you know, time to to
do that if it's necessary here. Um

906
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:47,360
» Yeah, if I just to save everybody the
long discussion, um you know,

907
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:51,480
I'm I'm not sure what habitat would be
there.

908
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:54,560
It it's it's not even
uh just from everything that was in the

909
01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:59,200
news with the cleanup that was done in
Snow Park and all of that. Um I I would

910
01:03:57,120 --> 01:04:03,280
think
that issue had a lot more of a a threat

911
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:07,600
to the habitat than this field would,
but in any event, our botanist was was

912
01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:11,200
out there as you said reflagging it
today, and he's doing that habitat

913
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:17,120
assessment. So it's just more money to
spend doing a habitat assessment on a

914
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:20,880
on that area that um
I'm sure there's nothing to to be

915
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:24,240
concerned with, but knowing that I'm I'm
sure the commission would want it, we

916
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:27,200
just jumped the gun and had him do it.
So we'll have that submitted at the next

917
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:29,920
meeting as well.
>> All right, thank you.

918
01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:35,880
» Thank you. Uh Joyce?
>> Uh is it possible to see that plan again

919
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:39,040
with the little pipey things? You said
there were pipes

920
01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:41,440
under
uh

921
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:45,440
Thank you.
>> Yeah, while while Kyle calls it up, I'll

922
01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:50,120
just explain it again if I if I may.
>> Uh if you could explain like So is the

923
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:54,520
just is is the turf that's there
just scraped off and then you put the uh

924
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:57,320
you put the layers down for the other
turf?

925
01:04:55,400 --> 01:05:00,880
» Yes, essentially. So the the
construction part of it is you remove

926
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:05,200
the topsoil and the subsoil, remove the
grass, and then there's uh

927
01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:09,840
there's material brought in to get to
the right elevation, then the turf is

928
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:13,280
put in. But as uh as the folks at Weston
& Sampson said, it's completely a

929
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:18,840
permeable
uh surface. There's no runoff at all. It

930
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:22,080
it It it It's permeable as permeable as
grass is."

931
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:26,120
The concern that the commission brought
up at the last meeting was any of those

932
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:29,760
particles that that are
that are in the artificial turf that

933
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:33,560
they would migrate through the through
the surface into the groundwater and

934
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:38,200
eventually find their way out to Trout
Brook. So, this this drainage system it

935
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:42,400
it's an underdrain system. It's like a
foundation drain for your house to make

936
01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:46,520
sure your basement doesn't get wet. So,
when the rainfall leaches through the

937
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:49,360
artificial turf and and through the
under

938
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:54,160
the underlying material, it'll get
caught in this drainage system. It gets

939
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:59,760
piped around like Kyle said and and gets
cleaned in the in the jellyfish in the

940
01:05:56,640 --> 01:06:03,840
water quality tank and that rainfall
that clean rainfall at that point gets

941
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:06,600
discharged into that riprap area. So,
it's it's just

942
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:11,720
uh
it it it's really just a way to

943
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:14,520
guarantee uh as you folks talked about
at the last meeting that there's no

944
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:18,200
particles that are getting into the
groundwater.

945
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:21,960
» What What's the base that's underneath
everything that underlies everything? I

946
01:06:20,040 --> 01:06:25,920
think someone had mentioned at the last
meeting

947
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:29,760
that there was there was stone or some
rocks or something or other on the one

948
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:34,240
at the at the high school.
It was some kind of What What What's the

949
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:37,440
actual base matrix under I guess the
pipes are laid on that? Is that where

950
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:42,040
the pipes are laid?
>> Yeah, no, there's there's crushed you

951
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:43,600
know, there's there's different layers
of material.

952
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:47,160
» Right.
>> So, there's crushed stone, then there's

953
01:06:45,120 --> 01:06:50,680
the infill material that we showed you
folks earlier, the the one made of the

954
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:53,840
tree fiber. So, there's there's
different uh

955
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:58,880
different levels of of material that are
brought in to provide a a stable base.

956
01:06:56,920 --> 01:07:03,160
» Right. Okay. I was I was reading an
interesting article that mentioned

957
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:08,040
it a lot of it depends on the density of
that under of those under layers whether

958
01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:14,320
it really truly is impervious or not.
That some some people consider um

959
01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:18,160
um turf
impervious because because of that. If

960
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:23,600
it if it becomes highly packed
underneath, then it it actually would be

961
01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:30,000
impervious. And the other thing was that
it's built to allow a rapid flow through

962
01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:34,960
uh through the lay through the layers
um and also to sheet flow things off the

963
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:39,040
surface, so it doesn't puddle on the so
it doesn't puddle on the actual top of

964
01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:42,240
the turf. So, the players are not
working in puddles, but in the meantime

965
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:45,640
they're sheet flowing, which kind of
almost sounds like the effect of an

966
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:50,240
impervious surface. So, when I was
reading through everything

967
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:53,560
that the Weston and Sampson had put
together, everything is based on the

968
01:07:51,560 --> 01:07:57,600
fact that it's impervious.
Um so, as long as we can be

969
01:07:55,680 --> 01:08:00,280
» Not impervious, pervious.
>> Yes, it's Well, it says it's not

970
01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:03,680
impervious.
>> Right. Not Thank Not impervious.

971
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:11,040
» That's what I mean. That's what I mean,
sorry. Um so, I mean, as long as we can

972
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:14,680
be 100% assured that that those layers
those base layers

973
01:08:13,040 --> 01:08:17,160
are going to be are going to be laid in
a way that you don't get that

974
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:20,240
compaction.
And the other thing, too, was

975
01:08:18,359 --> 01:08:24,799
maintenance. That if if that was
especially I think I read it with the

976
01:08:22,319 --> 01:08:29,720
the Brock fill. That with maintenance,
if you didn't um constantly brush the

977
01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:34,640
field and keep the that Brock fill
loose, that eventually can become

978
01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:40,400
somewhat compact. And then you end up
again with that sheet flow action. So,

979
01:08:37,359 --> 01:08:43,400
uh my concern, again, it's solely about
the fact that it's so close to Trout

980
01:08:41,839 --> 01:08:47,880
Brook and it Brook and it's in a
sensitive area.

981
01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:51,040
PFAS rolling off that stuff, it comes
from the blades, you know, it comes from

982
01:08:49,759 --> 01:08:54,640
That's where microplastics will come
from.

983
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:58,680
Um that's my biggest concern is whether
or not we're going to get any flow that

984
01:08:56,720 --> 01:09:02,520
well, any
any substantial flow that will contain

985
01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:06,680
something that could potentially be
harmful to the environment. So, if if we

986
01:09:04,839 --> 01:09:11,680
can be assured that that won't happen,
that construct of this,

987
01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:14,680
you know, would prevent that. Um,
you know, I think that's something we

988
01:09:12,759 --> 01:09:17,480
need to take into account. And also, is
there any way we might be able to I

989
01:09:16,440 --> 01:09:21,880
guess I could just walk over there
tomorrow?

990
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:24,839
Can we have a site visit?
>> Trout Brook by the the site?

991
01:09:23,279 --> 01:09:29,080
» It's a public park. Uh,
so you can go at any point, but yeah, we

992
01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:31,520
can certainly organize a visit to,
um,

993
01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:35,480
if you would like. Absolutely.
>> I'd like to see that area that, you

994
01:09:33,319 --> 01:09:39,799
know, that same question about the fill
and stuff like that, if if that's

995
01:09:37,160 --> 01:09:39,799
possible.

996
01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:47,839
» Cool. Thanks, Joyce. Um, commissioners,
any other questions?

997
01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:55,880
» Not really questions, just um, the
documents that um, Scott submitted. Are

998
01:09:53,759 --> 01:10:00,440
these in the files for us to review?
>> Yes. Yep. Uh, these are part of the the

999
01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:04,120
Oh, I I guess I didn't put a a meeting
file together for you all here tonight,

1000
01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:07,080
so I apologize for that, but these are
all part of the the the planning

1001
01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:11,240
department conservation commission
public docs. So, all those are are

1002
01:10:09,480 --> 01:10:15,240
publicly available to the commission and
the public.

1003
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:15,240
» Thanks.

1004
01:10:17,440 --> 01:10:24,880
» Thank you. Uh, Kyle, is there anybody
from the public that would like to speak

1005
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:29,200
on this? I do see we have a Q&A.
>> Yeah, so we'll I guess we'll start with

1006
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:33,920
that Q&A. Um, this is from uh, Elizabeth
Perez, uh, Keen Street, Brockton, Mass.

1007
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:37,640
Why was the option to build the soccer
field across the street not considered

1008
01:10:35,720 --> 01:10:40,680
rather rather than utilizing the space
near Trout Brook?

1009
01:10:41,400 --> 01:10:46,320
» Well,
um, this is probably reason I think uh,

1010
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:49,360
as
the chair of the commission, I'll speak

1011
01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:54,400
and then all the other chairs, that was
the first question we asked when this

1012
01:10:51,440 --> 01:10:58,160
was proposed to us to reuse
or do something with that grass field

1013
01:10:56,160 --> 01:11:02,360
across the street. Um,
Kyle, do you have anything to say on

1014
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:06,000
that or Joyce or any commission?
>> Well, I think that that question's

1015
01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:11,560
really for the applicant. So, um I defer
that to uh the representative Scott

1016
01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:16,000
Feria or Elijah Romulus who who's here
on the city's behalf. I'm as the agent,

1017
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:20,200
I am a city employee, but I'm trying to
to kind of walk a fine line here um

1018
01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:24,400
and and not
you know, uh

1019
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:27,760
be the applicant and also uh
you know, the representative of the

1020
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:31,560
review commission which is the
conservation commission review agency.

1021
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:40,560
» Uh yes. So, I can um
Yes, so this was um a proposal that the

1022
01:11:38,480 --> 01:11:46,520
mayor's office had
uh considered in improving the

1023
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:52,280
the park. Um we
as the planning department um we're

1024
01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:57,480
trying to figure out a way to be able to
use um

1025
01:11:53,800 --> 01:12:01,080
some of the uh CDBG
um

1026
01:11:58,200 --> 01:12:05,520
federal funds in a way that could
improve some amenities in the city. And

1027
01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:10,840
so, um based on the mayor's uh
suggestion um

1028
01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:16,880
this uh snow park uh location was
selected. So, I guess I would have to uh

1029
01:12:13,960 --> 01:12:23,920
defer to the mayor on exactly um the
reasoning for the choice of selection of

1030
01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:29,760
that specific uh area, but um
it was uh in consideration of being able

1031
01:12:26,360 --> 01:12:33,920
to um use some of the
um

1032
01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:37,560
available funding that we have um to
improve an area of the city.

1033
01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:47,280
» Um and then just to kind of piggyback on
on those comments, this comment uh you

1034
01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:52,360
know, basically this is an alternatives
analysis question. Like were other areas

1035
01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:58,120
considered for implementation of the
turf field. Um that is part of a series

1036
01:12:55,800 --> 01:13:02,640
of questions that I submitted to
the applicant and the applicant's

1037
01:12:59,320 --> 01:13:07,960
representatives. Um that that I hope
will be addressed and formally, you

1038
01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:14,160
know, submitted to the commission before
the the 16th the meeting on the 16th. Um

1039
01:13:11,480 --> 01:13:19,200
you know, another question that that
should and and it was part of that list

1040
01:13:16,760 --> 01:13:23,680
was, you know, generally I know we're
looking at the turf field now, but like

1041
01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:26,680
why turf versus grass? Do we consider,
you know, what could be done with I know

1042
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:30,200
this is a question that Commissioner
Voris raised last a couple weeks ago.

1043
01:13:29,320 --> 01:13:32,840
You know, with the amount of money that
we're spending on this turf field, what

1044
01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:36,400
could be done with a grass field, right?
So, those are the kinds of like

1045
01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:39,800
alternative analysis questions that that
are part of this larger list of

1046
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:43,920
questions that I did submit to the, you
know, to to the applicant and the

1047
01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:46,760
applicant's representative uh to to be
to be addressed.

1048
01:13:47,440 --> 01:13:52,320
But what I've got now that I've got the
the assessor's map pulled up, Snow Park

1049
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:57,480
is this soccer field down here where the
project is proposed. The question in the

1050
01:13:54,640 --> 01:14:02,120
comments was why not utilize this city
park on the north side of Center Street,

1051
01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:04,760
which is about 250 ft away from
Snow Park.

1052
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:16,960
» Um yeah, so
I can't speak on behalf of the mayor,

1053
01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:23,840
but I will just
mention in terms of proximity to the

1054
01:14:20,920 --> 01:14:28,440
surrounding neighborhoods
Snow Park is a little more

1055
01:14:26,120 --> 01:14:32,480
secluded as opposed to being right on
top of um

1056
01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:38,720
right across the street from
residences, and so that may uh

1057
01:14:36,240 --> 01:14:42,880
be factored into um
that decision to go forward with Snow

1058
01:14:40,440 --> 01:14:42,880
Park.

1059
01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:51,720
» Joyce?
>> But between

1060
01:14:49,400 --> 01:14:58,280
floodplain and riverfront,
it's in an it's in a much, much, much

1061
01:14:54,040 --> 01:14:58,280
more e- ecologically sensitive area.

1062
01:14:59,160 --> 01:15:04,760
» That's a fair point.
>> Which is what we're here for, I think.

1063
01:15:05,240 --> 01:15:09,960
» Right.
Um

1064
01:15:07,560 --> 01:15:14,800
the question was why uh that over the
other, and so I was providing some

1065
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:14,800
insight into that.

1066
01:15:20,120 --> 01:15:26,640
» Um so uh through the chair, uh you know,
we can entertain questions from the

1067
01:15:24,920 --> 01:15:31,720
public unless there are other questions
from the commission, um you know, for

1068
01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:34,280
Scott or Weston and Sampson or Mr.
Romulus.

1069
01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:48,800
» I don't see anything, Kyle.
>> Yeah, I mean, I don't I don't see any

1070
01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:53,120
hands raised. If If anyone that's here
from the public uh in the attendees list

1071
01:15:50,360 --> 01:15:57,640
would like to speak to this project, ask
questions, um please raise your hand and

1072
01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:57,640
we can promote you.

1073
01:15:59,920 --> 01:16:04,480
Uh I don't see any hands raised, uh Mr.
Chair.

1074
01:16:04,680 --> 01:16:15,200
» S- uh so, saying that, should uh if
nobody has any questions, um should we

1075
01:16:12,760 --> 01:16:20,280
make a motion to continue agenda item uh
item number two

1076
01:16:16,480 --> 01:16:20,280
to the September 16th meeting?

1077
01:16:22,040 --> 01:16:28,240
» I'll move to uh continue uh agenda item
two to the next meeting.

1078
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:35,240
» I second that.
>> We have a motion made and seconded. Can

1079
01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:38,040
I have a roll call vote, please, to
uh

1080
01:16:36,520 --> 01:16:42,800
move a-
item agenda number two, NOI for Zero

1081
01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:45,920
Center Street, to the September 16th
meeting, please. Roll call vote.

1082
01:16:44,520 --> 01:16:48,800
» Clay, I.
>> Green, I.

1083
01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:53,960
» Knapp, I.
>> Morris, I.

1084
01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:56,640
» And Talbot, I. Motion carries.
Thank you, folks. See you in a couple

1085
01:16:55,360 --> 01:17:01,200
weeks.
Thank you.

1086
01:16:57,480 --> 01:17:01,200
» Thank you and have a good evening.

1087
01:17:01,320 --> 01:17:07,400
» Then, Kyle, can we go to the Can we go
out to the site or would Would you

1088
01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:10,560
prefer that we just take our own walk?
>> No, I mean, I'll Let me know when you

1089
01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:13,520
want to go. I'll I'll go there with you.
But, we can

1090
01:17:11,640 --> 01:17:16,840
Yeah, if you want to walk individually,
you certainly can. Um but,

1091
01:17:15,440 --> 01:17:20,400
» god. You want to go tomorrow?
>> Yeah, sure.

1092
01:17:19,200 --> 01:17:22,800
» Do we need a motion to close the
meeting?

1093
01:17:21,080 --> 01:17:29,360
» Oh, we probably ought to.
>> I make a motion to close the What should

1094
01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:33,040
I September 2nd meeting?
>> Motion was made and we second. And we

1095
01:17:31,400 --> 01:17:35,560
got a second.
We don't need a roll call vote for this,

1096
01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:37,760
do we?
>> May as well for completeness. Let's do

1097
01:17:37,240 --> 01:17:40,480
it.
>> Roll call vote, please.

1098
01:17:39,320 --> 01:17:43,040
» Clay, I.
>> Green, I.

1099
01:17:41,640 --> 01:17:45,920
» Knapp, I.
>> Morris, I.

1100
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:49,400
» And Talbot, I.
Uh Joyce, I'd like to go check that out,

1101
01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:52,240
too. Um I don't know if I can make it
tomorrow.

1102
01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:54,880
» Yeah, I want to go. I used to go to the
Ploss when I was in elementary middle

1103
01:17:54,240 --> 01:17:59,960
school.
>> Do you have any time in Brockton

1104
01:17:57,080 --> 01:18:05,320
coming up available or Lily instead of
going all the way to Plymouth?

1105
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:09,560
» Um next Thursday, I'm going to be at one
of our elementary Oak Do It Builds. Uh

1106
01:18:08,040 --> 01:18:12,880
Um well, Monday's a labor day. That's a
holiday. I mean, I can always, I guess,

1107
01:18:11,280 --> 01:18:18,000
just also
drive by, but not this week and not till

1108
01:18:16,840 --> 01:18:20,560
I mean,
just don't think

1109
01:18:19,080 --> 01:18:24,280
» Cuz the meeting's the 16th, so I'd
really like to see it so if I have any

1110
01:18:22,760 --> 01:18:26,200
questions, send them to Kyle ahead of
time.

1111
01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:29,680
» I mean, if we do super early in the
morning, I could probably stop by on my

1112
01:18:27,720 --> 01:18:34,800
way to work.
>> How super.

1113
01:18:32,200 --> 01:18:37,200
Um
>> Like, are we talking 6:15 when Kyle

1114
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:41,680
calls?
>> No, not not that early. I mean, after

1115
01:18:40,240 --> 01:18:46,120
like 8:00.
>> Cuz I'm going to be at work, so.

1116
01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:50,520
» You're already at work at 8:00?
You're already at work at 8:00, Justin?

1117
01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:55,320
» 8:00.
6:00 5:55 this morning.

1118
01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:55,320
» Oh.

1119
01:18:56,760 --> 01:19:01,120
» I mean, I'm pretty open. I mean, I can
go myself as well, so I mean, I don't

1120
01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:05,640
you know.
But, I'd like to check it out. I'd like

1121
01:19:02,320 --> 01:19:09,720
to walk from the distance from where the
proposed to the current.

1122
01:19:07,880 --> 01:19:14,520
» And I'd like to see river versus there
and see where the berms are. I just get

1123
01:19:11,440 --> 01:19:19,240
a feel for the layout, actually.
Um, but

1124
01:19:16,680 --> 01:19:21,960
I'm Let me see. Today, tomorrow. What's
Where are we?

1125
01:19:23,480 --> 01:19:28,360
I'm going to go
Friday morning.

1126
01:19:26,040 --> 01:19:29,560
» When? We're still recording, right?
Cuz

1127
01:19:28,600 --> 01:19:34,640
» Yeah.
I mean, we're Yeah, the meeting was

1128
01:19:30,840 --> 01:19:39,560
closed, but scheduling is not
considered a violation of the open

1129
01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:43,400
meeting law, so if we're just discussing
availability for a meeting, that's

1130
01:19:41,720 --> 01:19:46,720
that's not an issue.
>> I can go Friday morning.

1131
01:19:47,160 --> 01:19:52,720
Tomorrow morning's a little too last
notice for

1132
01:19:51,080 --> 01:19:57,560
being late into work.
>> You mean the 4th?

1133
01:19:53,960 --> 01:19:57,560
» Yeah, I could the 4th.

1134
01:19:58,040 --> 01:20:01,640
» I have a 9:15 office appointment.

1135
01:20:03,040 --> 01:20:09,880
» So, does that mean before or now?
>> If I had to be there at

1136
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:14,200
8:00, I'm sure I could.
If I had to.

1137
01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:14,200
» I'm not going to push it.

1138
01:20:18,040 --> 01:20:22,680
I can also do Tuesday the 8th.

1139
01:20:23,320 --> 01:20:29,400
It would
Oh, I've got to move that meeting.

1140
01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:34,920
» How does 8:00 work for you guys? Kyle,
do you drive in every day? Or are you

1141
01:20:32,760 --> 01:20:41,120
» I'll I mean I'll Yeah, I'll I can I can
be available.

1142
01:20:36,960 --> 01:20:43,520
» I I cannot do Friday.
>> Yeah, I can't commit. I'm not sure yet.

1143
01:20:42,520 --> 01:20:47,520
I have a report.
>> And then yeah, yeah, I'll know Friday of

1144
01:20:45,840 --> 01:20:51,400
whether or not how many days the
following week I'll be in the office. So

1145
01:20:56,480 --> 01:21:00,400
» That's fine. I can go another day, too.
So it's not a big deal.

1146
01:20:58,360 --> 01:21:04,400
» I can do I can do Monday or No, I am
sorry. Tuesday or Wednesday the

1147
01:21:01,560 --> 01:21:04,400
following week.

1148
01:21:06,160 --> 01:21:12,440
» I'll shoot an email to you guys on my
availability after Friday.

1149
01:21:09,720 --> 01:21:15,240
» Okay. Yeah, that sounds good. Perfect.
>> Awesome.

1150
01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:16,920
» Good night everybody.
>> Good. Thank you.

1151
01:21:16,200 --> 01:21:18,400
» Thanks.
>> Good night.

1152
01:21:17,400 --> 01:21:20,960
» Good night.
>> Bye.

1153
01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:20,960
» Bye.