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Hey Chris, can you hear me?
>> Yeah, I can hear you. Thanks.

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» I don't know where you want. It's right
here.

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» Put right. Yeah, right over there.
here.

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» 428. All right. They don't give a crap.
>> All right. It's right at 6:00.

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Good evening. Uh, I call the Brookville
Board of Health meeting of June 24th,

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2026 to order at 6:00 p.m. This meeting
is being held in accordance with the

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Massachusetts Open Meeting Law. The
agenda was posted in compliance with the

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law and is subject to change. Please
note that this meeting is being audio

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and video recorded. Uh if anyone has yet
to sign in, there's a sign-in sheet with

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agendas right next. Uh let the record
show that a quorum is present with Jay

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Hill, Kim Simmons, Moren Lee, all in
attendance. Uh I'm Jay Hill. Uh the

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chair,
>> Kim Simons, Moren Leak,

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» one.
>> Gotcha. It's good. Uh, first we'll be

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moving into review of the Lester
Regional Public Health Coalition May

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2026 report.
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» want me to read it?
>> Yeah. Do you mind?

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» Hey, Brookfield May report as reported
by Lester Regional Coalition.

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We have
mobile food permit, Smashing Patties LLC

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at Wild Berry Acres Farm, Residential
Kitchen. Sorry, these are permits

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issued. Residential kitchen bewitching
bakes LLC mobile food permit Bayate

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Choose Food Truck Well permit 9 to Pello
Drive annual food establishment permit

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Texas backyard barbecue
temporary food permit Fior Cafe plant

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sale event temporary food permit
Brookfield Orchards at Brookfield

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Freedom Fest event uh for 8:15 2026 6
temporary food permit Brookfield

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Congregational Church spaghetti supper
fundraiser on 620 2026

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title five septic installer Ronald Cox
RACE

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title five septic installer Roger
Mandell

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septic trash hauler United Rentals North
America Inc. DBA reliable on-site

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services
permits pending. Title 5 new

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construction 80 fistale road well permit
to Rice Corner Road. Well permit 20 Rice

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Corner Road. Title 5 septic repair three
Main Street.

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Inspections conducted for May was food
pre-operational Bewitching Bakes LLC.

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Food pre-operational smashing patties
food routine tiptop co-op

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food routine Brookfield Elementary
School nuisance reinspection for 14

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Wells Road.
>> Can I read the findings and the notes on

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those? I think it's fine. I'll do that.
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cases reported in May.
Right. Uh, review and approval of

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meeting minutes. I I I have March 25th,
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2026.
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cases?
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April.
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» But I have May's.
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» Yeah. Still working on them. They're
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» This the last meeting for May was a
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it.
>> Okay. So, we'll review the meeting

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minutes for May 27th, 2026.
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only to look those Four.

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Is there a motion to approve the minutes
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» Uh, I'll make a motion to approve the
May 27th, 2026

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meeting minutes.

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» Second that.
All in favor?

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» Uh, we have to have discussion first.
>> Oh, my apologies. That's got them.

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» Um,
two questions. I have the comment

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period. You're just saying that you
listen to public comments, but there's

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nothing about the public comments.
>> Yeah, the open meeting law doesn't

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require you to record what the public
says during public comment. But

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shouldn't it be detailed enough to
understand if a person didn't attend the

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meeting?
>> From what I read on the open meeting

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law, it didn't say that we had to
notoriize what was said. I didn't say

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notoriize, but summarize.
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curious about that. Um,
and just a question under C,

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um, or C, was there, is there anything
missing there before the purchase of the

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sign or is there a vote or something or
is it just a discussion?

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» Nope. I purchased a sign on my own based
on what Lori had told me to do because I

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contacted the
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what's the words? What? Who the
apartment?

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» Uh, D Peaks.
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» our highway. Sorry. Our highway. And
they don't have the capability of making

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signs and Lori told me you're better off
to just buy the sign.

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» I mean, we never made a vote as to
refunding me the money. Um,

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which that can be a later discussion or
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I just with time and our meetings are
only once a month. I just felt like

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I went on Lor's recommendation to
purchase the sign, which I have.

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» I don't know if we want to talk about it
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» I don't have any other comments.
>> Any other discussion?

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Did you want anything notorized for what
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is? I just went off of what open meeting
law requires us to.

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» Yeah, I think that that's fine.
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meeting, but at at this moment, we don't
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regulations. And if if that's what you
see what you've seen, I think I'm I'm

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comfortable with that.

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Any further discussion? No. Okay. All in
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» I abstain.
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Um I I just want to make an
announcement. Um as part of the

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administrative part for the record, uh
I'd like to disclose that the board of

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health received a check today from
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New England. Uh I am also an owner and
it was for a routine perk test at Wilb

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Brook Academy. It's a standard
application processed in the normal

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course of business with no special
consideration, no deviation from

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standard fees and no board decision or
action required. I'm making this

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disclosure out of an abundance of
caution to ensure complete transparency.

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There's no conflict of interest and I do
not believe recusal for that was

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necessary. So, when I signed the
warrant, it uh accepted the check for

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deposit, just so everyone's aware. Want
to make that up uh out as a statement.

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Uh moving on to request to speak.
Patty from Whites Landing had requested

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to be on today's agenda. Earlier today,
she reached out to me and let me know

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that she regretfully had to ask for um a
postponement to the next meeting. she

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would be unable to attend this evening
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the next meeting.
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» So, we'll move her to the next agenda.
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» Uh next up, Shelby Hill from Wellbeans
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Um before we proceed, Shel's my wife and
to avoid any appearance of conflict of

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interest, I'm going to recuse myself
from any discussion voting and I'm going

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to be stepping outside of the room.
While I'm outside of the room, him as

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vice chair will act as the chair. Then
I'll be back in when you're finished

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talking.
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» Jacob, do you think it's okay if I sit
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closer? Do you think Chris can hear me
or Chris, can you hear me? Or whoever's

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on there.
>> I can hear fine. Thank you.

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» Okay.
Um, hi. I'm Shelby Hill. I'm requesting

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a special meeting or a public meeting in
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for the Willow Beans Cafe located at 16
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um for the variance. Mccclure
Engineering on my behalf submitted this

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on June 17th to the board of health at
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I just wanted I had a couple of
questions. Um, I wanted to clarify who

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posts the legal notices in the
newspaper.

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» Board does.
>> The board does.

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» You just have to bring a check uh with
the total. We'll tell you the total of

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the cost and you just bring a check the
night of the hearing.

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» Okay.
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» Um, and who's responsible for notifying
the butters? I did receive an a butter

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list.
>> You are.

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» Okay. And so,
>> you got to bring the green slips to the

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meeting.
>> To the what? the green slips.

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» The green slips from the notification
>> the certification.

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» Okay.
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so Mccclure engineering and I will do
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asking for the board to put us on the
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um for that special meeting or public
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» Okay.
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check with the title 58 engineer because
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» Okay.
>> In general. So, just it's a busy time of

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year. Just verify that she thinks she'll
have it ready any

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generally she'll tell us what we need to
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could require um simultaneous review by
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not always local only depending on what
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» okay. So, is that Shelly?
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get the document, review it, and then
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» But it seems like it'd be far enough
away that'd be fine.

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» So, will the board communicate that to
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» Will you?
>> Does she Does Shelly normally

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communicate with the coalition or And
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in touch.
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» Um, yes. So, I will
I will start like a chain of

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communication just to make sure that
when things are on their way that

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» when I find out I will send you a
notification, but they they also should

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have you on the correspondence.
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» so when so if we're responsible for
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notifying the abutters then
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» give them for a date because you have I
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» you have to be at least 10 days I think
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» um so we just have to wait to hear from
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needed in basically her her thoughts on
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then you we would construct the hearing
notice language and you would use the

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same you know you would notify with the
same notification to any letters.

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» All right. Great.
>> So somebody can send you the

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» the language.
>> Great. All right. Those are the only

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questions I had.
I don't have any of the previous ones

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for like the language that you've
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» Yeah, it's generally going to be exactly
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» but you can Yeah,
>> but I can I can send an example over.

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» Yeah, if you could send an example,
that'd be great. That way I know

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that'd be great.

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We'll

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follow up.

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What is the date of that meeting?
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So one, two, three, four. So July has
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should be the 22nd of July.
>> Should be our birthday.

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that should end up being the date.

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» All right. Thank you.
>> That was it. Y

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» Thank you.
>> Thank you.

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» Does somebody want to go grab him,
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I'm return to my role as the chair. Now,
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will end up being the 22nd.
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was going to ask for maybe the 29th
because I have a conflict. It's my it's

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a birthday for my children.
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» So,
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» I was going to bring that up at the end
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possible.
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» But I understand other people's
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» also come into play. It's not just my
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» Yep.
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to be able to be there. I cannot be
there to the 29th. That's okay.

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» We'll do our best to
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sorry.
>> No, I mean I don't know what the rules

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are for days. If we look at a different
day, we can look at a different day, but

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we can
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» push that back to later at the end of
the meeting to discuss what what

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availability we have for the next
meeting.

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» Okay.

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» All right. board of health member
resources

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discussion for that
>> uh just that every year just I hand it

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out so that people know what's required.
>> Thank you for that. We both I made

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copies for everybody as well and you
have uh that in your packet

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and the same for uh the legal manual
with the duties. Uh, next up, board of

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health clerk job duties, hours, wages,
discussion, and posting of board of

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health clerk job position
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» I asked for this on the agenda.
>> Yep.

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» Because
um my understanding, even though we have

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no minutes for that meeting yet, but my
understanding was that the order of

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health clerk position was interim, but I
didn't see it get posted.

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I also didn't see on the video a wage
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So, I'm kind of curious what's the
status there and what's going on there.

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Uh, as far as I know about the wages is
that Lori said that she can make that

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determination

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and that the board didn't actually have
to take a vote on that for the interim.

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The reason it hasn't been posted yet is
because we have to talk about it as a

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board and
there were extensive agendas as far as I

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know prior.

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We do need to get it posted.

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Um, did we bring any
previous job duties

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of the position?

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There's a vote board voted on um the job
description long time ago. I think I

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have a copy.
Should be on the computer.

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could be with the M series as well.

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Copy I have. Okay. Is this something
that we want to continue with? Is the

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same exact
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please use

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» I'd like to review it before we go to
anything. I know

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» be a personnel board. We don't have one
now. But

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» yeah, in my discussions today with uh
>> I think that the job description is

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pretty basic. I think the prior board
Chris had uh taken it to that board at

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the time and they approved it.
>> In my discussions with our

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» and that's what this one is,
>> I think. So,

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» in my discussions with the town
administrator today, she she was

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questioning if we even had the authority
to hire the clerk or if it was someone

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else needed to hire them. We have the
authority to hire and fire as a board of

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health. It's in the statute.
>> Okay.

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» General, it's in you can see it in that
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» that one that you gave me. Okay.
>> Excellent.

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» You can sign contracts. We can hire
fire.

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» She just uh brought the question up with
me. So, it was something to think about.

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Um, now that we have that,
>> you want to look at it or

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» I think I'm I'm not gonna read it in the
moment because I'm not really gonna be

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able to digest all the information. So,
it would be something I would

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» I think we could talk about at the next
meeting if we want to make a vote as far

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as posting the position
>> and moving forward unless someone

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disagrees and they'd like to.
>> No, I think it should be posted.

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>> was the job description not ever given

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to Deb then?
She was hired.

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» Which time? When she was hired?
>> Um, she was probably given to her

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before. I just every time you come back,
did you did you give them a copy?

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» No.
>> I No. Okay.

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» I've never been in this position before.
Okay.

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Well, it's good to know. I mean, we can
get it straight and when we as the

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interim, when we hire the the uh
permanent position, we can make sure

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that everything's done the right way and
get the uh job description where we want

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it to be.

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I think uh part of the previous question
for my attending meetings was making

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sure someone was at at meetings taking
minutes. So that would might be

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something that
>> Mhm.

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» we want to talk about.
>> Yeah,

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absolutely. Um, you said the TRA town
administrator had asked you that

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question.
>> She just she wasn't sure if there was

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any conflict or anything like that.
>> Um,

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I if I gave this to you this back and
you can give that

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» I I have the copies too. I'll just go
I'll really dig in deep back to is she

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should probably read it too. The clerk
should know

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that is. So,
>> okay.

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» All right. Any no motions or anything
regarding that topic?

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» I thought you had a motion to post the
position on the table, right?

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» No, I said I was going to review it,
come back to the next meeting, and then

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we could do it. I'm not ready. I'm not
ready to post with not being able to go

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through the job description at the
moment.

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» Well, on there. Yeah, because it has
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and and
uh paying

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on it. I don't know if that still all
applies or if that's something we need

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to talk to
Lori about before we post it.

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» I I just want to really
>> because it's on there. It's in the it

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would be in
>> they post like a an abridged version for

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the like the website so that it can get
on the town website as

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» oh
>> so people can submit their resumes and

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then we give I mean you we could make a
motion that you look into that or and

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decide about the job description and if
you feel like it has to change then you

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bring it back to the July meeting but if
you didn't

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» right just
>> why waste another month

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» I'm okay with posting [clears throat]
ing it. Um, if we use a similar language

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Yeah. I mean, I don't think it's going
to change drastically. So, if we use the

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previous posting
that I just wanted time to familiarize

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myself with all the
>> Yeah, because the board could always

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change the description if they needed
to, even if somebody was already hired,

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like they you can change someone's job
description.

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» I I agree with you.
>> So, I would just make a motion to post

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the position.
>> Okay, I'll second that.

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You mean is that your motion
>> to post the position? Okay. All right.

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You have a recommendation of hours and
wages for the posting because I think

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with mass law now you have to do that.
Well, uh, yeah, the job description, I

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mean, the prior health clerk was making
$20 an hour or just a little over from a

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annual
raise or whatever they get. But that was

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the range that we had and that's
probably a discussion to have with Lori

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if that needs to be increased. We
increased it for the prior clerk because

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of her extensive
experience in public health, you know,

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the work that she did.
I'm not sure what the current pay scale

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is for Deb
there.

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» So, we're saying that we need to check
into that before it gets posted.

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I'd verify. I'd probably keep the range.
I mean, if you're It depends on the

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experience of the person, but I mean, I
think maybe the personnel board had set

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those because there's other clerks in
town that we have to be mindful of that

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we're not overpaying a clerk um based on
what other clerks are making in the

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town.
So I think

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you know maybe you could have a
conversation with the accountant about

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where things are with that and
if it needs to change I mean we could

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have a follow-up discussion on that. But
I I would say post it with the current

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and
and then see what we get and if we have

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to continue that discussion at the next
meeting, then we do. So, but

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» can we amend the motion that we have
Jake discuss it with Lori prior to

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posting? And
>> Go ahead. Make a motion. Well, it's

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» you can you can you can amend it, I
believe.

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Well, is that like I know we like time
is of the essence. We need to have it

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posted because we are an interm right
now.

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Um
>> I'll make a motion that Jake check with

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Lori about on the wages and then post a
position

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to uh

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wages and hours.
Yeah, obviously it's going to have to

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fall within the budget that they gave us
for fiscal year 27,

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» right?
>> Your motion is to check with Jake will

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check with Lori on wages and hours prior
to posting the position. I mean, the

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board had previously
was going to utilize the Lester regional

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admin for clerk services in fiscal year
27 because the coalition had been asking

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for us to fund a portion of that salary
given the workload

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and in order to make the
math and the funds work. you know, that

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was that was sort of what we had come up
with before, but I don't know if that

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person's willing to do it now.

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» Might want to have a follow
>> the one that that resigned.

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» Mhm.
>> Okay.

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» And I think I think the issue there too
was not willing to come to the meetings

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to take minutes.
>> No, the issue is that someone scheduled

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an executive session
>> and then it wasn't about

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what it was supposed to be about. Okay.
>> I don't think that was the issue.

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» Oh, we don't have to.
>> That was my opinion.

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» We can all have our own opinion on what
issues were and

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» Okay. So, there was
>> So, the motion sort of a motion.

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» The motion's on the floor
for me to check in with Lori about the

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hours and wage rate uh wage scale
before posting the position as a

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permanent position.
Yeah, the clerk position.

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» I'll second it.
>> Any further discussion?

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» Hearing none. All in favor?
>> I

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» I
>> I carries through. All three.

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» Um, we did not do a roll call vote or
whatever on the last motion to post the

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position. Is that
does that motion

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» go away now?
>> Well, it was an amended. It was an

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amended.
>> Yeah. Okay. So, this

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» it's the same motion just amended.
>> Okay. Thank you.

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» You just describe it that it was made
and a no vote taken and then amended.

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» Okay.
>> Thank you.

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» Next up, uh board of health operations.
This was something I asked to get put on

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the agenda.
In front of you

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or in the packet included there is u
three different policies to go in place.

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Um
consider

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trying to streamline and organize
things.

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Well,
I read this.

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» Okay.
>> And I don't know. I mean, you're going

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to send it to KP Law.

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» Oh, it's
>> a board um generally can't adopt a

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policy that exceeds its authority
>> in what part it by the statute or

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deprivives an elected member of the
power of state law, you know.

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So um

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there a couple of different concepts
around you know the fact that

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» where do you feel it it it goes beyond
that

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» um the computer every one of us has
equal power. So the computer being um

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controlled by a clerk, we all have the
due fiduciary duty and write inspect

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records,
audit files.

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Um
you know, I guess

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» this doesn't limit though. If you read
the the

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» Well, I mean, if you're
>> you can request to see the

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» you can request, but
that's I I I mean, it we should be able

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to do that at any time without having to
ask permission from somebody else to do

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it. That's I mean, it's not
>> I don't know. I'm not sure all boards do

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that in town previous to this. I thought
my understanding was that not everyone

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had access to the computer.
anyone in the office can get access to

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the computer. Um, and there's been
emails about this and and the the email

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shared account and the board computer
should be available to all.

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» Um,
>> I hear you. I also looked into this and

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was instructed that this should be a
board of health decision and that the

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board
>> the board should should be taken.

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» Who instructed who instructed you? Uh, I
talked to both the town administrator

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and it was also from the selectman. They
decided to move it back to us.

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» They had a meeting.
>> I don't know if they had a meeting.

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» Who did you talk to in from the select
board?

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» Uh, it was shared with me secondhand.

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I think the concerns are

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things happening to the computer, things
getting moved.

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There have been concerns raised to me
>> or what

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» things being accessed and moved in the
computer.

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[clears throat] including searches for
people that are not before the board for

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any reason.

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» So
>> you can research anything you want. You

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don't have to it has to be a matter. You
can look for records. If you want to

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compare a record to another record to
see

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how that was handled, you can certainly
research that.

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If it's if it's related to things that's
before the board, I agree.

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» But if it's not anything before the
board or anything that we're handling

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if I agree with that. I think any any
files are subject

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to being able to be inspected or audited
by a board member.

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I think that power is granted to us
through the state. I I would agree with

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with that if you're
if it's for board of health reasons.

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Absolutely.
>> What are you talking about? What

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wouldn't what wouldn't be board of
health in the board of health computer

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and office?
>> I not I'm just saying

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» like there would be nothing else in the
office other than board of health files,

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right? Uh, yes. But if there's no
nothing for the board with with certain

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things,

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» I guess I I'm not following you. Could
you be more specific?

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» So, anyways, to to continue on,
um, these three policies

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have been drafted to to look over. I
have no problem if we put them before KP

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law.

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» Well, you know, there's
>> if that's what if if that's

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» the question is does the board have
statutory authority to adopt the kind of

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policy? Does it conflict with state law
in any way? Does it materially in

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interfere with you know a board member's
duties?

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» Yeah. And I don't think anyone who does,
>> you know, does a does a board does a

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chair have the right to say to the other
board members that they can't inspect

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records or can't communicate with other
departments? I I feel like that's a

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pretty big overreach.
>> I don't think this does any of what you

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just said actually. Um
>> Well, I'm just saying the all official

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board of health business involving the
board clerk, other town departments or

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external parties shall be directed
through the chair.

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» Yep. But you're the your your authority
is to manage this meetings. It's not

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» it's not it's not my
>> I'm not saying you like in general,

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right? Like I'm you are the chair right
now. So I'm just saying you

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» but
>> I don't think you and I and I if I

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remember correctly like boards can't
make rules that future boards have to

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adhere to, right? Like so the
composition changes.

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It's um
>> I I definitely think it should be looked

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at from a legal perspective because

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» um I definitely need some more time to
review and then in the meantime if it

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can be sent to PG law for their
feedback.

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» Yes.
That way um we can come back with their

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feedback and then our feedback.
>> Yep.

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» I definitely need some more time.
>> That's why I kind of anticipate I I

433
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:26,319
don't want you to make a rush decision.
So

434
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:31,680
» because I I honestly like the Robert's
rules of order, I'd have to look into

435
00:41:30,319 --> 00:41:36,000
that as well.
>> Yeah. Generally speaking, the open

436
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:41,760
meeting law is what we're required to
follow. Robert's rules, just so I I'll

437
00:41:39,599 --> 00:41:47,839
just say it. Robert's rules is for board
me boards that are over 12 members in

438
00:41:44,079 --> 00:41:51,920
size. Technically, Robert's rules has no
uh provision in it to hold public

439
00:41:50,319 --> 00:41:55,359
comment
and things like that. So, I would look

440
00:41:53,680 --> 00:42:00,400
into it a little more before you settle
on thinking

441
00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:04,480
» there is. So, open meeting law doesn't
control how you run the meeting.

442
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:08,640
Robert's rules of order is a I know but
a way we're only three member board.

443
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:13,040
» Just let me finish. I let you finish.
Thank you. Um there are there's a

444
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:17,359
relaxed version that you can use for a
smaller board.

445
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:21,839
» So it was a recommendation to help with
how things are done.

446
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:27,720
» And again, everybody has the right to
review these and then we'll we'll

447
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,720
discuss them again.

448
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:41,760
I would like to uh there's a lot of
policies. So,

449
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:43,280
» well, there's three of them.
>> I mean,

450
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:46,920
» I think it's needed.
>> We have three regulations.

451
00:42:49,839 --> 00:42:54,200
That seems like it was a lot for people.

452
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:04,880
Okay. So, we'll bring this back in July.
>> Yeah, we'll move back and we'll talk

453
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:11,520
about it in July. I would like to make a
motion though um not to permanently

454
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:16,960
adopt but to adopt for the next 3 months
the the computer access policy that only

455
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:22,000
the clerk is able to access the
computer. There's been some very some

456
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:27,119
concerns brought forth to me about about
access to the computer files being

457
00:43:24,319 --> 00:43:33,240
moved.
>> Yeah. I've been in to that computer one

458
00:43:30,240 --> 00:43:33,240
time.

459
00:43:33,359 --> 00:43:39,599
I asked
and every did any files get

460
00:43:38,079 --> 00:43:41,359
» I'm going to stop you there.
>> Okay.

461
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:45,599
» Let's not talk to Jacob.
>> I I feel like this is a kind of an odd

462
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:48,880
conversation and you're not really
>> I'm not putting any names to anything.

463
00:43:47,119 --> 00:43:53,920
I'm merely saying that there's been some
concerns brought forth to me about

464
00:43:50,960 --> 00:44:01,599
access to the computer. So in
>> in the sense of protection and security,

465
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:06,400
I'm making a motion that only the clerk
has access to it at the moment and then

466
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:09,599
it will proceed further. I'm not trying
to make a a permanent

467
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:14,400
» I'm going to forward the email from a
prior town administrator that stated

468
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:18,640
that we could not do that.
>> Okay.

469
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:21,359
It's a temporary impment.
>> It was a big issue a couple years ago.

470
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:25,935
So
>> may end up being a big issue again.

471
00:44:23,915 --> 00:44:25,935
[clears throat]

472
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:35,440
» So what is your your motion is for 3
months

473
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:39,920
» temporary access only to the clerk.
That's not saying that we can't request

474
00:44:37,359 --> 00:44:44,480
things. It's not limiting what we can
do.

475
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:49,200
» Well, my problem is the clerk doesn't
respond to me.

476
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:56,720
doesn't copy me on things and when I ask
for things I get them at the meeting

477
00:44:53,760 --> 00:45:00,160
instead of her just responding to me
>> and that's a very valid concern.

478
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:05,359
» Mhm. It is a concern.
>> Yeah. And I think we can address that as

479
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:11,240
well.
>> I'm going to second the motion

480
00:45:08,240 --> 00:45:11,240
» discussion.

481
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:22,560
I'd like the clerk to be able to do her
job without feeling like the computer's

482
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:28,319
being altered in any which way. And if I
need access to something or anybody on

483
00:45:25,839 --> 00:45:33,160
the board, you go through the proper
channel of receiving a record.

484
00:45:34,240 --> 00:45:41,119
How many days a week does she work for
us?

485
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:46,319
» At least one, but I know she's in there.
>> She's in and out. She does being

486
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:49,319
requested for things from Mike Siri
often.

487
00:45:50,720 --> 00:45:56,800
» If it's an emergency needed, we I'm sure
we can reach out and get the

488
00:45:54,720 --> 00:46:04,640
information.
>> Well, it was an emergency situation I

489
00:45:59,839 --> 00:46:07,119
heard about and I wasn't copied.
>> Is that recent?

490
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:11,200
» Yeah.
>> Or should be discussing it tonight.

491
00:46:09,119 --> 00:46:19,040
» I'm not aware of it. So,
>> it went to you and to Kim on Monday at

492
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:22,560
1:22 p.m.
and it should have gotten added to our

493
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:27,359
agenda.
>> And then here's about the computer.

494
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:32,119
Here's an email about the computer I'm
putting into the public record.

495
00:46:29,119 --> 00:46:32,119
» Okay.

496
00:46:50,720 --> 00:46:55,680
Yeah. I mean, you're right that it was
only sent to the two of us. I honestly

497
00:46:54,240 --> 00:46:58,079
didn't even look in the
>> Yeah, but

498
00:46:56,240 --> 00:47:01,440
» in the middle.
>> Don't you have access to the Brookfield

499
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:05,839
Board of Health email?
>> I thought she was aware of it.

500
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:09,520
» No, but that's not the point. You're
looking to change it so that there's

501
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:13,280
like
>> No, it's the computer, not the email.

502
00:47:11,839 --> 00:47:18,240
» What's wrong with going to use the
computer? It's the town resources.

503
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:21,280
» I I explained why I made
>> different about the

504
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:24,960
» I explained why I made the motion. I
mean, we the discussion's already

505
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:31,520
» finished. It's
>> so I have I I I'll I'll have to submit a

506
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:36,560
request for a topic
for the next meeting about some things I

507
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:39,200
found on that computer.
>> That's fine.

508
00:47:37,119 --> 00:47:43,200
» That don't relate to the port of health.
>> Okay.

509
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:46,560
» Okay. go there.
>> There's no need for threats. I mean, if

510
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:48,640
you want us, if there's concerns, you
can bring them.

511
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:51,280
» That's right. I'm saying my concerns.
>> Do you have some information that you'd

512
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,200
like to share with the rest of the board
about something you found on the

513
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:56,400
computer?
>> Yeah, but it's not for tonight's

514
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:58,480
discussion because it's not on the
agenda.

515
00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:00,880
» Well, we're talking about computer
access.

516
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:04,880
» You're talking about a policy.
>> Okay.

517
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:10,560
» I'm not sure I can.
>> Fair enough. So, discussed and ended.

518
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:15,440
Motion on the floor is for the next
three months uh temporary access only to

519
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:22,480
the clerk.
It's been seconded. Discussion is ended.

520
00:48:20,079 --> 00:48:25,280
All in favor? I
>> I

521
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:29,319
» no
>> turn one carries.

522
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:48,640
Next up, pad fees and invoices regarding
um Wagdale and Tom Clark and Brookfield

523
00:48:45,599 --> 00:48:56,640
Meadow. I asked for this to get put on.
It was brought to my attention that

524
00:48:51,680 --> 00:49:02,240
there is a monthly fee that is charged
to each of them based off of their

525
00:48:58,319 --> 00:49:05,480
units. Wagon Wheel has 144 units at $12
a month.

526
00:49:05,599 --> 00:49:19,839
Nana Tonqua has 85 units at $12 a month
and Brookfield Meadows has 61

527
00:49:15,119 --> 00:49:23,359
at $12 a month. Could
you repeat that for me, please? Wagon

528
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:26,599
wheel
>> right here.

529
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:34,800
» And this is something I I haven't had
time to really investigate, and I'm

530
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:39,280
hoping that I can lean on both of your
knowledge, if you have it, what those

531
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:41,839
fees cover, who they go to, and they're
not invoiced on a regular basis. Is

532
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:47,359
there something?
>> They're they're monthly. It's it's a

533
00:49:44,319 --> 00:49:50,559
state thing and a town thing. So it
doesn't we don't increase them. They'd

534
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:52,000
have to be go to a vote at the town
meeting.

535
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:57,839
» Okay.
>> Um they're pad fees. So it's basically

536
00:49:54,640 --> 00:50:05,520
the it's not like a property tax, but
it's like a little location and those

537
00:50:01,839 --> 00:50:09,760
» are set um when they come into the board
that are supposed to send them monthly.

538
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:14,640
Some of them sometimes get a little
behind and we have to remind them, but

539
00:50:12,240 --> 00:50:17,680
those have to go to the tax collector
and then the tax collector submits them

540
00:50:16,559 --> 00:50:23,040
to the treasurer.
>> So, we do invoice them regularly.

541
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:29,280
» We don't we receive checks and there's a
letter in the in the workbook that like

542
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:34,880
describes and goes to Brenda, the tax
collector. And then when you're

543
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:39,200
preparing the warrant and the turnovers
and everything once a month, generally

544
00:50:37,119 --> 00:50:42,640
at the end of the month, we can't we we
have to allow them

545
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:49,200
» to the end of the month. It's not like a
first of the month thing. It's um to pay

546
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:53,359
the the the pad fee and then you submit
the letter. Basically, you're saying

547
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:57,040
that you've received these checks and
you're submitting them to the

548
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:59,920
» So, it's not something that we like send
a bill out for or anything. We just

549
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:06,160
here.
>> No, I investigated the possibility of

550
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:11,119
how that could work if the tax collector
could somehow use it, the system that

551
00:51:08,319 --> 00:51:15,119
they use for like property taxes and
just really didn't go anywhere. I mean,

552
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:21,280
it'd be a nice thing, but I I don't know
the legality of

553
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:25,839
if we could do that or um I don't even
know the history so long and far back.

554
00:51:23,839 --> 00:51:29,200
It's hard to know why it comes to the
board of health before the tax

555
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:36,400
collector. That part, I don't know, but
there is like a a state rules on mobile

556
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:43,280
home manufactured home parks and there
Mike Siri might have a book about it in

557
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:46,720
the his office or you could go online
and research it and learn about it. But

558
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:50,480
it's
>> it goes through all the regulations like

559
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:52,800
they they weren't getting permitted like
we were collecting,

560
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:56,240
» right? I just didn't know
>> permit fees, but we didn't have a

561
00:51:54,559 --> 00:51:59,680
permitting process. So, we did put that
permitting process in place so that

562
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:02,880
because health agents have to review
those every year.

563
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:06,240
» Yeah. When speaking with the clerk, she
just said that the checks kind of come

564
00:52:04,240 --> 00:52:07,839
in haphazard at times and I didn't know
if it was something that we needed to

565
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:14,960
do.
>> They kind of it'd be nice to, but um

566
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:18,480
it's hard to police it, but
>> kind of leave that. I might do some more

567
00:52:16,720 --> 00:52:22,480
investigation and bring back what I can
find

568
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:26,640
if there's anything. Yeah.
>> And you might want to for another

569
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:30,640
meeting talk about title five for the
three parks because they're all handled

570
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:33,920
differently based on the size. And if
you want to understand that,

571
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:37,280
» I'd be happy to
>> go through it.

572
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:42,079
» No problem. Thank you very much.
>> Uh, next up, Lester Regional Public

573
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:47,480
Health Coalition Advisory Board. This is
a delegate nomination for fiscal year

574
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,480
2027.

575
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:58,800
I make a motion to make Jake Hill the
advisory board

576
00:52:55,920 --> 00:53:02,720
member for the board of health.
>> Second

577
00:53:00,079 --> 00:53:05,920
» discussion.
>> Um I'll take it. I just don't know how

578
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:09,119
often I'll be able to make it with my
schedule. Um

579
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:13,359
» we should have a backup then.
>> We typically meet on the first Tuesday.

580
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:17,440
» Okay.
>> Of every month. And I have prior

581
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:22,640
conflict. So I
>> haven't been able to attend.

582
00:53:19,839 --> 00:53:24,640
» They're usually Zoom, right? So you can
>> Yeah,

583
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:28,480
» I mean,
>> but it's you got to get to some of them

584
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:32,480
because they do talk about things that
are going to affect our town. I know

585
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:34,880
they're talking about opioid funds and
>> I did see that in the email when they

586
00:53:34,240 --> 00:53:41,920
sent this.
>> Um the the the software for you know the

587
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:47,440
inspectional services. It there's a lot
going on there. So,

588
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:50,559
and it would be nice to kind of have
that individual be able to report back

589
00:53:49,599 --> 00:53:53,440
what's going on.
>> Yeah.

590
00:53:51,119 --> 00:53:55,760
» All right.
All right. All in favor?

591
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:58,640
» I
>> I

592
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:02,040
» I
>> I'll take it.

593
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:09,920
Uh, next up, discussion about creating a
clear

594
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:14,559
» Hold on. You need a backup.
>> You want to vote on a backup member? the

595
00:54:12,720 --> 00:54:18,559
advisory.
>> I'm going to nominate uh Moren to be the

596
00:54:16,720 --> 00:54:24,400
backup member.
>> Um I would not like to. No,

597
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:28,160
» I I understand. Kim already said that
she's uh she's un unavailable on those

598
00:54:27,119 --> 00:54:31,280
dates.
>> I don't know how long I'm going to be

599
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:34,720
here and I don't want to
>> Sorry, what was that?

600
00:54:32,559 --> 00:54:38,960
» You're I've been recalled so I don't
know like how long I'm going to be on

601
00:54:36,559 --> 00:54:44,480
the board. I don't want to make any uh
promises about being on any uh

602
00:54:42,319 --> 00:54:48,480
committees or boards.
>> I think we can handle that at that time.

603
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:54,480
» I can be the backup. And
>> okay,

604
00:54:50,480 --> 00:55:00,680
then I'll resend my motion.
I'll make a motion that uh Kim is the

605
00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:00,680
backup for those meetings.

606
00:55:02,720 --> 00:55:05,520
A
>> second.

607
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:08,559
» Second.
>> Any discussion?

608
00:55:09,359 --> 00:55:15,079
All in favor?
>> I I

609
00:55:12,079 --> 00:55:15,079
» I.

610
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:21,119
» Thanks for catching up for me.
>> Uh, next up, creating a clear, concise

611
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:26,079
document covering expectations for
interactions and communications

612
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:29,280
regarding Lester Public
um, Lester Regional Public Health

613
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:32,800
Coalition.
>> You have that under the advisory board.

614
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:36,880
So, I was a little confused. Is this
just in general with the coalition staff

615
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:40,400
or the advisory board?
>> It's listed as a separate thing. It's

616
00:55:38,559 --> 00:55:45,440
number two. No. No. Yeah, I see the
title. You're absolutely right.

617
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:50,480
» You're absolutely correct. It was um it
was meant to be its own separate topic.

618
00:55:47,839 --> 00:55:54,240
I'm still learning uh making agendas and
it being my first time. So,

619
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:58,640
» I'm just
>> You are correct with that though. Really

620
00:55:55,839 --> 00:56:02,480
what I was looking for here is um having
been to some meetings prior to being

621
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:06,400
elected
um there was a lot of complaints about

622
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:11,280
how things were handled and I feel that
you know we're we were elected to

623
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:17,359
represent the residents and and the
business owners in town and that it's

624
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:24,640
our responsibility to make sure that
um while public health is still being

625
00:56:20,559 --> 00:56:33,520
the the top thing that the
that things are done in a way that is

626
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:38,960
um not necessarily friendly but open to
to our um businesses and residents that

627
00:56:36,799 --> 00:56:43,280
they understand their avenues for
variances and other things if there's

628
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:46,280
regulations stopping them from doing
something.

629
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:54,240
So I think just having clear
expectations for Lester on how we want

630
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:57,920
things handled in Brookfield,
>> you know, seeing as you have it under

631
00:56:56,000 --> 00:57:01,760
the advisory board, I think that's a
great topic for you to take to the

632
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:07,280
advisory board for Leicester since
there's seven towns in the coalition and

633
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:12,559
if every town is making their own rules
for them to follow, like it's going to

634
00:57:09,359 --> 00:57:18,559
be very chaotic for them. So I think
it'd be a better strategy to go to the

635
00:57:16,079 --> 00:57:24,880
advisory board, connect with meet the
other boards in the coalition,

636
00:57:22,799 --> 00:57:29,839
get their feedback on whether these
problems exist in those towns,

637
00:57:27,599 --> 00:57:33,599
» get their input on whether they think
that should be something that they'd

638
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:40,160
like to see, and then collaborate with
them on developing something that the

639
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:43,680
the staff at the coalition can follow
consistently and not have to, you know,

640
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:46,240
switch gears depending on what town
they're talking to.

641
00:57:44,559 --> 00:57:53,359
» Well, I think that's that's ultimately
the issue. I think what you're saying is

642
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:57,119
is perfect. However, I think we still as
a board can have our expectations of how

643
00:57:55,359 --> 00:58:01,440
things are handled in Brookfield. And I
think part of the issue with the with

644
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:08,000
where the coalition is is each town is
different and has its own unique parts.

645
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:11,839
So maybe we still we still work on what
what our expectations are. I'll gladly

646
00:58:10,079 --> 00:58:15,119
bring this before the advisory board.
Yeah. And then maybe if we do it from

647
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:19,520
both angles, we can get something done
at a

648
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:25,599
» Yeah. I mean, it's been built up from
>> the ground. Um and you know, it doesn't

649
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:31,839
happen overnight and there was
definitely some changes in the

650
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:37,920
management and at Leicester Coalition
over the last couple years that it was

651
00:58:34,319 --> 00:58:41,839
involved, but this has been a topic.
um

652
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:46,400
to get more consistency
about process and to see how we could

653
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:52,880
try to get the coalition members to
agree on those kinds of processes to

654
00:58:50,079 --> 00:58:57,440
make it more streamlined for them
keeping in mind some of the unique

655
00:58:55,040 --> 00:59:01,200
differences between the towns but trying
to align it as much as possible it's

656
00:58:59,920 --> 00:59:04,720
just cohesive
>> and I agree I just my

657
00:59:02,559 --> 00:59:07,920
» other coalitions are functioning pretty
good

658
00:59:05,359 --> 00:59:12,960
» yeah from our and I my my only concern
is

659
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:18,079
giving up anything for in the name of
cohesiveness if we're sacrificing or or

660
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:21,520
residents are not getting the
information that they need. I think just

661
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:24,720
finding
>> some sort of middle ground. I mean the

662
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:27,200
nice thing is we're I think this is the
first meeting we're at where we're not

663
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:32,880
getting a
>> any kind of complaint

664
00:59:30,559 --> 00:59:37,520
recently and I know part of that was
they were training their inspectors

665
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:41,200
» go around
What's that?

666
00:59:39,359 --> 00:59:43,200
» Yeah.
>> No, if you have something to share,

667
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:46,640
please do.
>> No, I'm just It's It's interesting.

668
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:48,799
Yeah.
>> What's interesting

669
00:59:47,359 --> 00:59:53,200
» that the last few meetings that we've
had so many complaints? Yeah.

670
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:57,760
No, just a
>> Well, I mean it

671
00:59:56,079 --> 01:00:02,000
we have [clears throat] we don't at the
moment. Um,

672
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:05,119
and it's not like asking them to do
anything that's outside of their

673
01:00:03,599 --> 01:00:11,359
» I wouldn't say we don't at the moment
cuz the first agenda item wasn't in

674
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:16,880
attendance. So, I don't know. I don't
know what that was about.

675
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:21,119
» I think it was followup,
>> but yeah. So, I think talking to some of

676
01:00:19,359 --> 01:00:26,319
these other towns is going to be an
interesting

677
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:32,000
thing to see and compare how Brookfield
compares to these other towns in terms

678
01:00:28,799 --> 01:00:36,480
of complaints and issues. And I think
that that's an that's going to be an

679
01:00:33,839 --> 01:00:41,040
interesting metric for us to know.
>> Yeah. But I think that also again that's

680
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:47,599
part of that's one of two parts. The
other part is we need to decide for us

681
01:00:44,079 --> 01:00:51,839
» how we want it handled. So,
Um, I'll work on something with that too

682
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:56,880
if you like. I'll draft something up and
along with bringing it before the uh

683
01:00:55,359 --> 01:01:00,680
advisory council if I have the
opportunity to do so.

684
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:12,040
» Moving on next to the regional 2 public
health emergency planning delegate

685
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:12,040
nomination for fiscal year 27.

686
01:01:19,839 --> 01:01:28,720
I nominate Jake Hill for the region 2
public health emergency planning

687
01:01:25,359 --> 01:01:32,720
delegate for fiscal year 27.
>> Second

688
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:36,160
» discussion. Um this is a three member
board. I think other people should be

689
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:41,680
representative regardless of if they're
in a recall or other things.

690
01:01:38,559 --> 01:01:44,240
» I've been on it and I'm
>> I think we should be board

691
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:48,480
» rotate.
>> Yeah, I I agree with you. Rotate, but

692
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:50,079
I've al already have been placed as
chair.

693
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:54,960
» Okay.
>> Have been placed as chair and have and I

694
01:01:52,559 --> 01:01:56,720
took the other delegation. I I would ask
that you

695
01:01:56,319 --> 01:02:00,160
» um
>> you step up and take something as well.

696
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:03,599
» We can share about
>> I have stepped up for years.

697
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:05,520
» Oh, then so I'm good.
>> But you're still on the board. So

698
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:09,680
» Okay.
>> So you should take some responsibility

699
01:02:07,359 --> 01:02:14,319
as well. I think all three of us should
take some role and responsibility. If

700
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:18,960
» you don't want to do it, then that's
great. Find a discussion. Do

701
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:26,160
did you have another motion to make? Can
we discuss what this entails? Cuz I

702
01:02:23,119 --> 01:02:31,920
» Yeah, they're like monthly meetings for
the region 2. It's a large collaboration

703
01:02:30,079 --> 01:02:37,920
of towns
that works on the public health

704
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:43,359
emergency planning. So our ability to
respond in an emergency

705
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:48,559
meetings are held sometimes in Zoom,
sometimes in person. They can arrange it

706
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:54,640
can be kind of a distance to go to some
of the meetings. So, I can't always go

707
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:58,559
to the meetings and it's not a super big
deal because they get minutes and

708
01:02:56,240 --> 01:03:03,119
there's, you know, information and most
of the time the health agents are there

709
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:10,240
and representing and and for the most
part it's very more technical to the

710
01:03:06,079 --> 01:03:15,200
more trained staff in towns that have
health directors and

711
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:19,280
more staffing. So some of the little
towns had kind of just present but the

712
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:24,559
bigger towns definitely take over. But
one of like an example was the documents

713
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:29,599
that we had been working on. We worked
on the emergency dispensing plan. We

714
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:35,599
worked on the framework document last
year. You recall

715
01:03:32,799 --> 01:03:41,440
um and we did a tabletop exercise with
the police department, the fire

716
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:48,160
department and and EMS. Um, we have a
trailer that's parked at the highway

717
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:51,119
department that is a re shared regional
trailer that we would use in an

718
01:03:49,599 --> 01:03:55,839
emergency.
And the only reason I would nominate you

719
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:59,839
for being new to the board is to look so
you can learn all this so that when an

720
01:03:58,079 --> 01:04:04,880
emergency comes up, you're going to be
the primary contact as the chair.

721
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:10,480
» No, I and I
>> I understand that. I just

722
01:04:07,599 --> 01:04:15,440
» it's going to be important to know like
how we set up our dispensing reviewing

723
01:04:12,799 --> 01:04:22,079
that that EDS plan is going to be about
two or three inches thick in a binder.

724
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:27,760
So I mean some of the grants that we
have we get grant money. So we got a

725
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:34,319
laptop that's in Mike's safe I think. Um
we've got translation devices. We've

726
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:42,079
gotten wheelchairs and CS and signage
and we um grant money that we've gotten

727
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:47,359
pre previously was like to update the
trailer so we got the mice out of it cuz

728
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:52,000
it had been sitting down the transfer
station for years. We got new tires and

729
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:57,440
shelving in it so that we have
everything ready so that in the event we

730
01:04:54,079 --> 01:05:02,000
have a situation a train wreck in town
and we've got to get or something

731
01:04:59,920 --> 01:05:07,599
happens in water supply and we have to
get people water or we have to give out

732
01:05:04,799 --> 01:05:12,240
vaccinations for some pandemic or
something that we can do that and we

733
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:17,920
have we have um processes in place for
how to do that quickly and we should

734
01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:25,119
it's been difficult to kind of get to
this point. I mean, but we the region

735
01:05:22,079 --> 01:05:28,480
does have multiple events. You know,
they'll have active shooter events and

736
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:32,799
and different things that you go to kind
of learn, you know, how to deal with

737
01:05:30,319 --> 01:05:39,119
various emergencies.
But we should try to get some help from

738
01:05:36,799 --> 01:05:45,520
the coordinator there on doing some
practice runs of like working with fire,

739
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:50,640
EMS, police just to kind of do a
scenario and and do a practice event so

740
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:54,799
that we know where the dispensing areas
are, we know the traffic flow for it, we

741
01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:58,280
know how to do the signage and just
practice it.

742
01:05:58,319 --> 01:06:03,839
» Sounds like great stuff. Sounds like you
have a lot of information there. That's

743
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:06,400
why I think you would be best served. I
would gladly

744
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:08,640
» No, no, no. But you put the time
>> started. So you just you just got to do

745
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:12,240
it.
>> So instead of letting that go to waste,

746
01:06:10,319 --> 01:06:16,240
I think if you were to do that, I'd
gladly back you up and work with you on

747
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:20,960
it. I mean, it doesn't break open
meeting law for us to get together and

748
01:06:18,559 --> 01:06:24,240
» and you show me these things. Correct.
>> Well, they have a website, too, so

749
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:27,920
there's a lot of learning material
there. So I'd start there because that's

750
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:30,799
where I started when I was learning it.
>> Yeah. you have the

751
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:33,920
» but I I'd also recommend you just go to
a meeting too because they sometimes

752
01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:37,760
they have them at like the Sturbridge
Senior Center which is right down you

753
01:06:36,079 --> 01:06:42,480
know not far away. So when they're like
close by it's good to kind of jump in.

754
01:06:40,079 --> 01:06:47,200
There's usually some good topics and
then you get to meet like a lot of the

755
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:50,480
coalition directors and various
coalitions. You get to really meet a lot

756
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:56,000
of the people you get to meet a lot of
people from Mass [clears throat] Public

757
01:06:51,839 --> 01:07:02,640
Health and it it's good information. So,
>> all right. Any more discussion?

758
01:06:59,359 --> 01:07:06,640
» I truly don't have time
or capacity to do it.

759
01:07:05,039 --> 01:07:10,240
» Well, I understand. That's why I I
thought as a three member board we could

760
01:07:08,319 --> 01:07:13,920
each take some responsibilities.
>> You want me to continue until further?

761
01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:20,160
» I think you have a plethora of
>> I don't know that they'll I don't know.

762
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:26,079
They they require us to put forth the
delegate for next month for the year.

763
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:30,319
And so I just don't know. I mean, I
guess they have a mechanism for if

764
01:07:28,079 --> 01:07:33,680
somebody leaves, but I don't know what
that work how that works, but I don't

765
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:38,799
mind
>> and I appreciate that and then I I'll

766
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:42,480
gladly be the backup for that.
>> Okay. So, is there a new motion on the

767
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:46,000
floor?
>> We got to take that other motion that

768
01:07:43,839 --> 01:07:52,160
was on there first, right?
>> Um, it never got seconded. Okay. So, it

769
01:07:49,599 --> 01:07:56,799
» then I'll uh I'll make the motion that
Moren

770
01:07:53,680 --> 01:08:00,079
is the primary contact for that and I
will be the second contact for that.

771
01:07:59,359 --> 01:08:03,720
» Delegate.
>> Delegate. Yes.

772
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:10,319
» And I will be the backup for that.
>> Can you can you say what she we're

773
01:08:08,799 --> 01:08:15,319
delegating her for the motion?
>> The region two public health emergency

774
01:08:12,319 --> 01:08:15,319
planning

775
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:22,600
like an advisory board too.
Second.

776
01:08:23,199 --> 01:08:29,040
» Any more discussion?
Seeing none, all in favor?

777
01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:30,880
» I
>> I

778
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:34,199
» I.
>> Thank you.

779
01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:48,560
Next up, the Brookfield Emergency
Dispensing Site Plan. Updated contact

780
01:08:44,159 --> 01:08:52,960
information. Yeah, there's a plan that
the state puts together. Jamie Terry I

781
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:59,120
think is usually works on this and we
usually update it if necessary in May.

782
01:08:56,400 --> 01:09:02,799
It didn't require an update this year,
but the contact list will need to be

783
01:09:01,279 --> 01:09:09,000
updated. So, somebody's going to have to
go through. It's probably a good job for

784
01:09:05,199 --> 01:09:09,000
um Deb to do

785
01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:14,839
» make a note on that.

786
01:09:17,759 --> 01:09:23,040
All right.
Anything else in regards to that?

787
01:09:21,199 --> 01:09:29,400
» If she updates it, she'll just have to
send it to you to have the board review

788
01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:29,400
» review and approve it.

789
01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:47,799
Next up, transfer station. uh fiscal
year 2027 stickers, bags, and review of

790
01:09:44,239 --> 01:09:47,799
recycling fees.

791
01:09:51,839 --> 01:09:57,000
Time to order the bags if they haven't
been ordered.

792
01:09:57,120 --> 01:10:03,600
Sideeliners was the vendor that we've
been using.

793
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:07,640
I mean, I'm sorry, the stickers and the
bags. I don't know about

794
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:14,640
we talked about ordering the bags like a
month or two ago. Did they get ordered?

795
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:17,040
» I believe they were ordered.
>> Okay. Yes, the bags.

796
01:10:16,159 --> 01:10:21,880
» Yes, stickers.
>> The stickers is something that um

797
01:10:23,440 --> 01:10:33,120
um Jim will pick out a color. So, it's
different from this year's. Um, and then

798
01:10:30,159 --> 01:10:40,000
he
he may be able to place the order for

799
01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:43,920
you. Um, or tell you like the
information and then you just place it.

800
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:46,960
But they need to get done soon because
>> because August

801
01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:52,440
» August is due, so they should be getting
ordered.

802
01:10:48,719 --> 01:10:52,440
» And then um

803
01:10:53,440 --> 01:10:59,760
» yeah,
>> next up is the new shed grants. Did you

804
01:10:57,280 --> 01:11:01,199
talk about review of cyclical fees? Did
you have something that you wanted to

805
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:03,280
talk about?
>> No, that wasn't I think that was a topic

806
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:10,400
you had put up.
>> I just said no. Usually you might want

807
01:11:06,159 --> 01:11:14,320
to sit down, Jim, but or Deb to look at
the invoices and see I mean we it's the

808
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:17,840
end of the fiscal year.
>> I'm hearing a lot of you youu aren't we

809
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:20,560
a threeperson board?
>> Well, I don't know you I thought the

810
01:11:19,199 --> 01:11:24,880
communication was going through you.
>> Yeah. Oh, absolutely. It can be or it or

811
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:27,679
we can assign somebody to be the person,
but that isn't the policy that we voted

812
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:29,360
yet. We're holding off on that,
remember?

813
01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:33,120
» Well,
>> so as a three-member board, I think we

814
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:36,880
should all have responsibilities.
Correct. I'll gladly go down there with

815
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:45,760
you if you want to or communicate with
them. I' I'd love to learn the process.

816
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:50,800
» So, we have a a recycling fee
price list that's on our website.

817
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:54,880
I don't think there's anything pending
right now for it, but I'm I'm kind of

818
01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:58,880
putting the stuff out so that you know
what the kind of things that they have

819
01:11:56,719 --> 01:12:01,840
to get done that are generally fall to
the chair to do,

820
01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:04,719
» but
um

821
01:12:03,440 --> 01:12:06,640
it's going to be different. That's
great.

822
01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:09,920
» Well, I think it should be right. I
mean, I think you took on you took

823
01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:13,199
» preaching to the choir.
>> No, I understand that. I know that you

824
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:18,239
you spent a lot of time doing things and
and I'm appreciative of that. I I think

825
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:24,000
that as a three member board, we we
should find ways where we can help each

826
01:12:19,840 --> 01:12:29,679
other and have the board be productive.
>> So, uh it's just um sitting down with

827
01:12:27,600 --> 01:12:34,800
Jim kind of seeing how things are going
and checking in and

828
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:39,960
» as far as the recycling fees go or
>> Yeah. like if he's noticing that like

829
01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:46,080
like I think he he's made requests in
the past to raise certain things because

830
01:12:44,239 --> 01:12:50,719
of either the recycling companies
charging us more for a product or

831
01:12:48,239 --> 01:12:56,239
something but
or or just change something. So I just

832
01:12:54,320 --> 01:13:01,120
» done annually or can you do it
>> kind of like a meeting?

833
01:12:57,600 --> 01:13:06,239
» You can do it any meeting. Um it I'm
just trying to get things out so that

834
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:09,600
you know things that come up and about
when we talk about it. But they should

835
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:13,040
probably do it right right before the
stickers are going out. So

836
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:16,640
» right. So if the stickers had to be a
decision if they want to buy this.

837
01:13:14,320 --> 01:13:20,960
» So my point was about the budget and why
I was asking for that sheet before now

838
01:13:19,040 --> 01:13:24,480
was so that I was trying to get it on
the agenda. It's the end of the fiscal

839
01:13:22,719 --> 01:13:30,400
year, so we should have been doing a
review of the budget and see where we

840
01:13:26,719 --> 01:13:34,640
ended up. Um, making sure all invoices
have been paid and that we don't have to

841
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:40,640
do any kind of incumbrances. Um, and
making seeing where the transfer station

842
01:13:37,679 --> 01:13:44,640
funds, you know, landed.
You can do that next month, I think. Um,

843
01:13:43,199 --> 01:13:48,480
» yeah, I think sometime after.
>> I mean, we have our budget and we're

844
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:52,719
locked into that budget. So when we if
we can't afford some of the costs of the

845
01:13:51,040 --> 01:13:58,560
recycling center, I mean, we try to
budget for it, but if we can't afford

846
01:13:54,960 --> 01:14:03,679
it, we have to raise prices. So we just
raised the price not too long ago on a

847
01:14:01,120 --> 01:14:08,320
sticker. I don't expect that it needs to
be changed. I don't think

848
01:14:06,159 --> 01:14:12,880
» to to have in the forefront. Yeah,
Cassell is like in their last year of

849
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:16,880
their contract before the the you know,
you'll be doing you and like you're the

850
01:14:16,159 --> 01:14:20,080
chair right now.
>> I I get what you're saying.

851
01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:25,440
» The the contracting is going to be
coming up and so that's going to be a

852
01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:32,159
conversation too and that should happen
well in advance of when it's due because

853
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:38,320
it's more lengthy um discussions.
Um, so maybe put that on the agenda for

854
01:14:35,440 --> 01:14:46,280
a month or two from now to start talking
about the contracts that are going to be

855
01:14:41,199 --> 01:14:46,280
need to done be done for fiscal year 28.

856
01:14:46,480 --> 01:14:54,960
» Thank you for that.
>> All right. So then moving on. So nothing

857
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:57,960
else feewise discussion wise?
>> No.

858
01:14:58,719 --> 01:15:03,840
» Okay. U moving on to the new shed
grants.

859
01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:09,360
» Yeah. So I
got an extension from the state on that

860
01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:10,880
for a few months. So that
>> Did you just get that?

861
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:14,080
» Yeah.
>> Okay. So I was in talk with Irene as

862
01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:17,840
well trying to figure it out because I
knew we were down to the

863
01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:23,920
» Yeah, I talked to I talked to the the
lady in D. They give out grant. It's

864
01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:27,280
just very common. Most towns are like
dealing with their budget and

865
01:15:25,280 --> 01:15:30,640
everybody's changing memberships and
everything. So every they always make

866
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:37,600
things do like when towns
>> Yeah. They just want to add,

867
01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:40,880
» but the you I checked Cle, I checked um
house just to see if they sold anything

868
01:15:39,440 --> 01:15:45,600
like that just because we have accounts
with them. Um and then I called around

869
01:15:42,719 --> 01:15:49,199
to some of the other boards to say like
what are you doing to deal with this?

870
01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:53,520
And some people hire contractors, but
it's very hard to do that because we

871
01:15:51,920 --> 01:15:57,440
can't pay them upfront.
>> And and from my understanding from

872
01:15:55,360 --> 01:16:02,640
talking to Irene, who was the head of
this was we don't pay the labor. It's

873
01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:05,280
just the coordinate. It's just the uh
materials that is covered if we're doing

874
01:16:04,719 --> 01:16:09,040
that. So,
>> yeah. I mean, so we have to pay the

875
01:16:07,199 --> 01:16:12,239
labor on that end. So,
>> it's easier to just

876
01:16:11,440 --> 01:16:17,360
» buy a shed
>> buy a shed from like

877
01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:22,239
» Palmer sheds has it. She She did send
>> me if they're if they're willing to do a

878
01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:27,360
municipal account like where they bill
like the municipality, right? you know,

879
01:16:24,719 --> 01:16:29,679
because nobody's going to put, you know,
on their credit card and then get

880
01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:33,360
reimbursed. So,
>> right.

881
01:16:30,159 --> 01:16:38,000
» I um Lowe's sometimes does it, Home
Depot sometimes does it. I mean, they

882
01:16:35,440 --> 01:16:41,920
don't have to be
top of the line, right?

883
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:46,159
» No, I think they were what, 5,600?
>> Yeah. I mean, yeah. And then, you know,

884
01:16:44,480 --> 01:16:48,320
and I know Jim was like, I don't want to
paint.

885
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:51,679
» I did want to talk about that. Not that
I'm against it, but I do want to talk

886
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:55,440
about how we would manage it. You have
to think about the town's ability to

887
01:16:53,600 --> 01:17:00,159
recycle, not just someone's preference
that they don't have it on.

888
01:16:56,719 --> 01:17:02,400
» I I 100% understand. I did I did seek
his input

889
01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:07,440
» just
>> and it's not for regular paint. It's for

890
01:17:04,239 --> 01:17:10,560
like toxic paints, oil based paints.
>> It It was different the way that it was

891
01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:16,320
explained to me when I talked to the
coordinator. It was

892
01:17:13,360 --> 01:17:18,800
» they envisioned it as a swap shed where
you you don't use all your paint. You

893
01:17:18,159 --> 01:17:21,679
put it in the
>> Oh, yeah. That would be great. And then

894
01:17:20,320 --> 01:17:23,840
somebody else needs some paint, they
come and grab it.

895
01:17:22,719 --> 01:17:26,800
» That would be fabulous.
>> It would be fabulous, but I don't

896
01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:29,199
foresee it happening that way.
>> Yeah.

897
01:17:27,360 --> 01:17:33,760
» My concern
>> is if we put a paint shed in and none of

898
01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:36,239
the other towns around us do,
>> we're going to have a shed full of paint

899
01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:41,440
in No.
>> No, cuz they can't get a sticker.

900
01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:45,040
» We have to put controls.
>> Oh, no. I know they can't get a sticker,

901
01:17:43,440 --> 01:17:48,159
but
not getting a sticker doesn't mean that

902
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:51,920
paint from somewhere else isn't going to
end up in those.

903
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:55,360
» That's true. People can be like that.
Um, but

904
01:17:53,280 --> 01:18:00,480
» I'm just saying people and and I could
see it. You should I mean we do like a a

905
01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:04,320
hazardous waste day in the fall with
like North Brookfield but you know I

906
01:18:02,080 --> 01:18:07,679
went last year and observed it and they
had to turn a lot of people away because

907
01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:11,920
it's only a couple hours
>> and the line of cars was going down the

908
01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:16,320
road and then they just cut it off and
they don't

909
01:18:13,600 --> 01:18:19,520
» No, they don't take latex and stuff like
that. You have to just dry it out and

910
01:18:17,840 --> 01:18:22,960
you can put it in your trash but driving
around with hazardous waste. But yeah,

911
01:18:21,280 --> 01:18:27,120
you you're sitting in line for 30
minutes and then they

912
01:18:24,880 --> 01:18:32,080
» Sorry. You know, so I feel like they we
could do more of those or look to see if

913
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:37,360
we could partner with like I think
Sturbridge does several of them a year

914
01:18:35,199 --> 01:18:43,360
and maybe there's other agreements we
could kind of try to get into and um

915
01:18:41,440 --> 01:18:48,080
» Yeah. And my concern is just how are we
going to manage it and

916
01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:51,040
in what what we're going to do. So one
of the things you're saying is we

917
01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:54,239
wouldn't take latex paints. tell we it
would still continue the way it is where

918
01:18:52,400 --> 01:18:58,400
everybody gets told to
>> try out their own latex or you know I

919
01:18:56,640 --> 01:19:01,600
like the idea of the swap.
>> Me too, but I don't think it'll ever

920
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:04,960
» and I think that would drive the
transfer station employees pretty crazy

921
01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:08,080
because then they'd end up having to be
the ones drying out stuff when people

922
01:19:06,719 --> 01:19:14,880
don't want it, you know.
>> Yeah. But if it was the

923
01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:19,440
um toxic kind, I mean, I think it's more
important, I think, that we have more

924
01:19:17,440 --> 01:19:23,280
options for people to get rid of that so
that they're not hanging out in people's

925
01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:26,239
garages. And
>> I know I have a few in my face,

926
01:19:25,120 --> 01:19:30,400
» you know, everybody does.
>> Um, what did you get for an extension?

927
01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:34,560
» Uh, she said she took back in three
months to see how we're doing. So,

928
01:19:32,719 --> 01:19:36,640
» you have three months to we can explore
the options.

929
01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:40,080
» I was asking for a month and then she
came back with three. So, I was like,

930
01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:43,199
» so it's time to explore the options
because I think the other thing that

931
01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:48,000
comes into play is
>> what's it going to cost us to get rid of

932
01:19:45,679 --> 01:19:52,239
this paint once we do have it, right?
>> I know, and Jim was just giving me an

933
01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:57,760
idea. He said it was last he remembered
it was $9 a gallon to get rid of and the

934
01:19:55,520 --> 01:20:00,239
place that he went to before no longer
accepts it. He said he wasn't sure he

935
01:19:59,840 --> 01:20:04,400
was
>> Yeah. Clean Harbors, Safy Clean, you

936
01:20:02,480 --> 01:20:09,760
know, those kinds of places. And so that
was my thought was like we even if we

937
01:20:07,360 --> 01:20:15,040
had a a situation where we're collecting
it and if we teamed up with like one of

938
01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:18,400
the other towns that does more frequent
hazardous waste days then we have a

939
01:20:16,719 --> 01:20:22,800
situation where we just have to yeah
>> bring it to there and get on the

940
01:20:20,719 --> 01:20:28,480
contract and we just pay our little
prrated portion for what we're doing.

941
01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:33,600
» It needs research but I mean North
Brookfield and a couple of the other

942
01:20:30,239 --> 01:20:38,080
towns we all do one. just one a year. If
we do several a year, we get more points

943
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:43,760
for the grant, too. So, I mean, it would
be nice to try to find more options

944
01:20:41,679 --> 01:20:46,560
and have more options for residents so
it's not just one day a year that they

945
01:20:45,440 --> 01:20:49,840
can get rid of that.
>> Yeah, I think this gives us a little bit

946
01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:55,280
more breathing room. We were we were
concerned that we only had

947
01:20:51,920 --> 01:20:58,400
» I'd at least get Oh, no. Yeah. I mean,
>> no. If we get an idea, I think I think

948
01:20:56,640 --> 01:21:01,760
the other shed will be easier to figure
out

949
01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:07,600
» because that one's a swap shed. And just
just for anybody listening, the the shed

950
01:21:05,360 --> 01:21:11,360
these grants are very specific.
>> Like the paint shed has to be used for

951
01:21:09,440 --> 01:21:14,960
paint for five years before anything
else and it needs to get labeled. But

952
01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:19,120
» you know, I think it was pushed back
that you know, for us to do it, but it

953
01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:23,120
it was required designed by the like
select board, you know, it wasn't. So I

954
01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:29,280
I was under the impression that they
were going to, you know, manage that but

955
01:21:27,440 --> 01:21:34,960
because I I mean who's where's the bill
coming in you know because someone's you

956
01:21:31,040 --> 01:21:40,000
know but it's fine I mean we can do it
but I don't think it needs to be like

957
01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:44,159
big fancy shed you know like
>> so do you want to each of us maybe do

958
01:21:42,239 --> 01:21:46,480
some research in this next month and at
the next meeting we talk about what

959
01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:51,280
options
>> maybe one of us research places that

960
01:21:49,199 --> 01:21:52,560
we'll do like a municipal
>> like

961
01:21:52,080 --> 01:21:55,360
» okay
>> agreement to you know

962
01:21:53,920 --> 01:22:01,040
» want to do that I can do that.
>> I'll look for places to find out like

963
01:21:58,560 --> 01:22:03,520
you said like clean where they'll take
the paint to see what it's going to cost

964
01:22:02,639 --> 01:22:05,600
us that way.
>> Yeah.

965
01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:09,360
» And then that way we'll have a price
point because we're going to have to

966
01:22:07,199 --> 01:22:12,080
figure out if we do accept it we're
going to charge.

967
01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:16,080
» Talk to like the Charlton Coalition and
different places and then they may have

968
01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:19,920
more ideas.
>> Okay. I I still would do the North

969
01:22:18,480 --> 01:22:22,960
Brookfield thing every year, but the
more that we can do to give people

970
01:22:21,840 --> 01:22:25,920
options to get rid of
>> And they don't take the paint. That's

971
01:22:24,320 --> 01:22:29,280
the thing. I think I think still doing
it is great because

972
01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:32,960
» Oh, I have like 10 cans of paint that
I'm drying out now, you know? So, that's

973
01:22:32,239 --> 01:22:38,880
like
>> Yeah.

974
01:22:35,679 --> 01:22:43,760
» Yeah. And I did hear we should put this
on as another topic because there there

975
01:22:41,280 --> 01:22:48,080
are potential laws changing at the state
level on like kind of like bottle

976
01:22:46,239 --> 01:22:51,199
billing time. I mean it's been like 20
years but I mean I think I think it's

977
01:22:49,600 --> 01:22:54,480
coming soon though.
>> That would be great if we could figure

978
01:22:52,480 --> 01:22:59,760
out some stuff there. Um, in regards to
the swap it shed,

979
01:22:57,520 --> 01:23:04,159
» they were looking at I mean Jim was
hoping that we could get someone in

980
01:23:01,840 --> 01:23:06,960
there to rebuild what's there, but I
just don't know how feasible that's

981
01:23:05,280 --> 01:23:11,199
going to be with the amount we have, but
we have a little bit more time now.

982
01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:15,040
» I think we should try to repair that
because I thought the intent of the swap

983
01:23:12,880 --> 01:23:19,520
is to expand the swap. We have a lot of
stuff that gets stuck outside.

984
01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:23,520
» Okay. um the wind kicks up, we get a
snowstorm, we get a big storm, you know,

985
01:23:21,600 --> 01:23:26,719
stuff's all over the place and and then
especially if it snows and there's a

986
01:23:25,040 --> 01:23:29,920
bunch of stuff sitting outside, it'd be
nice to clean it up so that everything

987
01:23:28,239 --> 01:23:34,080
is kind of contained.
>> And so the idea was to have two

988
01:23:32,080 --> 01:23:37,280
locations whether they separate like
what type of stuff is in one and in the

989
01:23:36,560 --> 01:23:41,520
other,
>> but just to kind of add to

990
01:23:39,679 --> 01:23:46,480
» the
ising that shed. Yeah, it's just a bunch

991
01:23:44,080 --> 01:23:51,600
of windows that are put together with a
plastic roof, not like a shed.

992
01:23:48,960 --> 01:23:55,040
» Yeah. So, we need to make a plan.
>> Yeah. Well, I think there's a few

993
01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:58,239
things, right? I I wasn't at the select
board meeting about the ramp. I don't

994
01:23:56,719 --> 01:24:00,560
know what what decision was made on
that.

995
01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:02,400
» Yeah. I need we we need to talk about
that another meeting.

996
01:24:01,600 --> 01:24:04,000
» Okay. So, we can
>> I've been asking for that for three

997
01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:07,199
years.
>> Maybe we can sit down and do a master

998
01:24:05,440 --> 01:24:11,280
plan meeting for
>> the transfer station as far as all the

999
01:24:09,679 --> 01:24:16,239
things that need to get done there.
maybe build out a plan, a list.

1000
01:24:13,360 --> 01:24:20,960
» And my thought would be like if if they
don't get to it or there's like get it

1001
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:26,080
so that we're ready, we they always come
up with like we need the um

1002
01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:29,280
if we're going to put like a warrant
article out. It kind of sneaks up on

1003
01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:32,800
people, you know, and then it's like
you're trying to rush to do something.

1004
01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:38,639
But maybe prepare for that ahead of time
that if be prepared to have a couple of

1005
01:24:36,080 --> 01:24:42,960
warrant articles seeking some funds for
some upgrades. There's a few things that

1006
01:24:41,440 --> 01:24:46,639
are going to need to be done. So,
>> okay.

1007
01:24:43,840 --> 01:24:49,600
» Um, in addition to sheds like
>> I'm not Yeah, I'm not familiar.

1008
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:53,679
» I mean, the main shed's going to need to
be repaired. So, we have to

1009
01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:56,560
» Which one do you consider the one that
the one with the power? Yeah.

1010
01:24:54,880 --> 01:24:59,520
» Yeah, the one that they're in. Yeah, the
roofing I know needs to get done.

1011
01:24:58,159 --> 01:25:01,520
» Oh, yeah. There's a lot that needs to
get done there.

1012
01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:04,719
» I know there's some volunteers of people
that want to come do some work there.

1013
01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:10,880
Um, I don't know if that's something
we'd entertain. Um,

1014
01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:15,679
» I heard there was like issues with
people volunteering in the sound.

1015
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:19,440
» Well, I think there's a form now so that
you can sign and you can be okay. So, I

1016
01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:26,000
don't know if it's something we want to
entertain, but it we we can we can add

1017
01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:30,800
that to that master list. Um
>> um to go along with that, I it's

1018
01:25:28,639 --> 01:25:34,159
difficult to understand what is our
purview and what is now the select

1019
01:25:32,560 --> 01:25:38,880
board's perview when it comes to the
transfer station because

1020
01:25:36,320 --> 01:25:44,080
» that we have delegated them for certain
things and

1021
01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:48,239
I'm very confused as to what
our actual duties are and theirs.

1022
01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:52,880
» I can send them an email to ask them to
really highlight what responsibilities

1023
01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:58,159
are. when we get to the inspection
conversation, I have a little insight on

1024
01:25:56,400 --> 01:26:00,960
that topic that might help that
conversation. Okay.

1025
01:25:59,600 --> 01:26:04,639
» So, we can Yeah, we'll hold off for
that. Uh, do you want to just jump ahead

1026
01:26:02,560 --> 01:26:07,440
to that? Is that still here? Let's just
jump into that.

1027
01:26:05,600 --> 01:26:13,840
» The independent third party inspection,
D inspection. So, I every year they need

1028
01:26:10,400 --> 01:26:18,000
to inspect and we hire um it's a
certified list of inspectors. Mark

1029
01:26:15,840 --> 01:26:24,000
Poppam is the one that we use and we
should be talking to him soon about

1030
01:26:20,239 --> 01:26:28,239
getting a contract to do the 20 26
annual third party inspection of the

1031
01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:33,760
transfer station.
>> Um Greg Root is the

1032
01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:37,440
uh guy that we work with on the DP's
inspection and I'm pretty sure he's

1033
01:26:35,360 --> 01:26:41,199
itching to get in there. Oh yeah, I've
I've spoken to them a couple times

1034
01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:47,280
» and the next topic's going to tie into
this too. But um so the the last two

1035
01:26:45,120 --> 01:26:52,639
years we did our inspections. I have
been like kind of battling back and

1036
01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:58,159
forth with the select board on who signs
off on the report. I think the last time

1037
01:26:55,520 --> 01:27:04,080
like I I just had discovered in 2024
that there hadn't been a third party

1038
01:27:00,480 --> 01:27:09,199
inspection since 2018 and so that's why
I got going on doing them. But then I

1039
01:27:07,199 --> 01:27:12,000
discovered that it was like signed by
the board of health chair, but they're

1040
01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:16,159
it's supposed to be signed by the
operator

1041
01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:22,639
» and we're not the operator. It's the
town of Brookfield. And you can see that

1042
01:27:18,560 --> 01:27:27,600
in the D spreadsheet, like online, they
put down who the operators. Some towns

1043
01:27:25,120 --> 01:27:34,320
it is a board of health, but some towns
like ours, the the DP's permit for the

1044
01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:39,679
transfer station, the operator is the
town of Brookfield. We can't sign. I

1045
01:27:37,360 --> 01:27:43,840
don't I mean they don't probably care. D
doesn't care if they get our sign. But I

1046
01:27:41,679 --> 01:27:48,560
would warn you that when you signing
that you're taking accountability for

1047
01:27:46,080 --> 01:27:53,760
the accuracy in it too, you know, and
there have been companies, not

1048
01:27:51,679 --> 01:27:58,080
necessarily towns, company landfill,
like where an employee is signing off

1049
01:27:55,920 --> 01:28:02,159
and the inspector miss said something
was compliant and then they D comes in

1050
01:28:00,480 --> 01:28:05,840
and finds out it's not compliant and
they they it's like monetary fines

1051
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:10,800
involved and and they'll go after
people. So that's been a kind of a

1052
01:28:07,520 --> 01:28:17,040
contention to have us do it. So, back to
your question, my head where when I read

1053
01:28:13,760 --> 01:28:23,360
the rags and everything, the day-to-day
operations, the operations should be the

1054
01:28:20,080 --> 01:28:28,560
town of Brookfield, the role of the
board of health. We are agents to the D

1055
01:28:26,880 --> 01:28:30,560
and we're supposed to just public
health.

1056
01:28:29,360 --> 01:28:33,360
» We're the oversight.
>> Yeah.

1057
01:28:31,120 --> 01:28:36,560
» So, we're not the fox overseeing the
chicken hen. We're, you know, like

1058
01:28:35,360 --> 01:28:39,520
» Yeah. I know. I got
>> You know what I'm saying? Like, so it's

1059
01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:44,560
always been this kind of weird thing. A
lot of towns have it pretty meshed and

1060
01:28:41,600 --> 01:28:47,760
small towns especially, but
conceptually

1061
01:28:46,080 --> 01:28:51,920
» you have an operator and you have
oversight of that and we are supposed to

1062
01:28:49,840 --> 01:28:59,120
be the O. So we would manage making sure
those inspections are done every year.

1063
01:28:55,120 --> 01:29:01,440
» We should manage to make sure that the
go in there and kind of check and make

1064
01:29:00,880 --> 01:29:03,199
sure it's
>> that things are being done the way

1065
01:29:02,560 --> 01:29:08,400
they're supposed to
>> supposed to be done. But the physical of

1066
01:29:06,239 --> 01:29:13,120
doing all like I it's never made sense
to me since I've been on the board. Some

1067
01:29:10,080 --> 01:29:20,000
of the tasks that we're doing versus the
town I get it low resources people have

1068
01:29:17,520 --> 01:29:22,719
just done made do right but
>> you need a clearer understanding

1069
01:29:21,280 --> 01:29:27,679
» like you're saying that she's like it's
confusing and it is. So maybe those

1070
01:29:25,920 --> 01:29:32,080
conversations and maybe a joint meeting
with the select board at some point to

1071
01:29:29,199 --> 01:29:37,520
kind of say
let's decide, you know,

1072
01:29:35,600 --> 01:29:41,920
it should be more of a, you know, if the
if the contract with D says they're the

1073
01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:43,840
operator,
>> yeah,

1074
01:29:42,320 --> 01:29:49,360
» they should be signing off as the
operator, you know, and then we're doing

1075
01:29:46,800 --> 01:29:54,400
the work of the oversight
>> because that's that's what our job

1076
01:29:51,440 --> 01:29:56,880
really is, right? you know.
>> Oh, that makes sense.

1077
01:29:55,040 --> 01:30:00,639
» We're kind of
put in a position of having to run it

1078
01:29:58,880 --> 01:30:03,360
and oversee ourselves.
>> No, that that kind of makes sense.

1079
01:30:01,679 --> 01:30:05,840
» That would not make that would not fly
in any other

1080
01:30:04,960 --> 01:30:10,239
» regulatory.
>> No, you have to have Yeah.

1081
01:30:08,080 --> 01:30:15,280
» Um, so I I did speak with Greg because
he left a couple voicemails. Um,

1082
01:30:13,679 --> 01:30:20,880
and I tried to do a little bit of
research through email and what I could

1083
01:30:17,760 --> 01:30:23,679
find in regard to the DP inspection. He
told me he was unable to do an

1084
01:30:22,320 --> 01:30:26,480
inspection in the past because it was
too overgrown.

1085
01:30:24,639 --> 01:30:33,280
» Oh yeah, that's another
>> So I kind of explained to him.

1086
01:30:30,880 --> 01:30:37,199
» I didn't I I haven't
>> looked at that's the next topic.

1087
01:30:35,199 --> 01:30:39,440
» Okay. So I can just wait. Yep.
>> That's why I gave you like this little

1088
01:30:38,719 --> 01:30:43,920
list.
>> Okay. So let's move into that then. So,

1089
01:30:41,679 --> 01:30:48,719
so, so the inspection coming. Um, I'll
send you um

1090
01:30:47,120 --> 01:30:51,679
or if you want me to just reach out to
Mark Pppam to start and get the contract

1091
01:30:50,960 --> 01:30:56,400
from him.
>> If you want to do that, that'd be great.

1092
01:30:52,960 --> 01:31:01,600
» Do that. That's fine.
And then

1093
01:30:58,159 --> 01:31:07,199
so Atlas is the company we're contracted
with to do our quarterly gas and well

1094
01:31:05,040 --> 01:31:12,159
inspections of the old landfill where
the solar array is sitting on top of.

1095
01:31:10,159 --> 01:31:15,920
There's like a specialized cover under
that and you can't drive anything on it.

1096
01:31:14,719 --> 01:31:20,719
You know, it's just there's a lot of
things going on there. But um the

1097
01:31:18,719 --> 01:31:24,239
outside a lot of the wellheads are on
the outside of the perimeter of the

1098
01:31:22,239 --> 01:31:29,360
fence of the
>> where the solar array is. Something

1099
01:31:26,560 --> 01:31:32,639
happened last year.
Atlas thought it was like a kid that

1100
01:31:31,040 --> 01:31:37,840
came through and broke some of the
wellheads. Um and so

1101
01:31:36,239 --> 01:31:42,800
I don't know what kids walking through
there because it's kind of in the middle

1102
01:31:39,760 --> 01:31:47,199
of nothing and it's very dense. But I
think maybe when they were clearing

1103
01:31:44,960 --> 01:31:50,880
someone the highway department, maybe
maybe hit it with the

1104
01:31:49,360 --> 01:31:55,679
» the whacker or whatever they were using
to kind of get the foliage down because

1105
01:31:52,880 --> 01:31:58,560
it's they're not always easy to see. Um
but

1106
01:31:57,199 --> 01:32:03,000
with that said, some of them are
damaged, so they have to get repaired.

1107
01:32:03,120 --> 01:32:11,679
We can't go in to clear the area between
May 1st and July 31st because of an

1108
01:32:09,600 --> 01:32:16,719
endangered species bird.
>> I saw that there was something there.

1109
01:32:13,679 --> 01:32:20,639
» So, in our D permit, there's this
restriction. So, I said that to Greg. I

1110
01:32:19,280 --> 01:32:25,440
said, "You may want to push off your
inspections to August because we can't

1111
01:32:23,600 --> 01:32:29,760
even get someone in there." And and this
is going to be the tricky part. I hope

1112
01:32:27,679 --> 01:32:32,400
they hire people at the highway
department. I know

1113
01:32:31,360 --> 01:32:36,239
» because
>> it's got to be somebody go in there. You

1114
01:32:34,239 --> 01:32:41,040
can't bring bunch of heavy machinery in
there or anything. And it's it only has

1115
01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:44,400
to be like a three foot
>> for the safety of the person, the

1116
01:32:42,800 --> 01:32:48,080
technician that goes in there to do the
testing. The testing's going to come

1117
01:32:46,320 --> 01:32:52,719
back
>> off and they always have to do a retest.

1118
01:32:50,560 --> 01:32:58,159
We've been dealing with that forever,
but that's just how it works. Okay. Um,

1119
01:32:56,000 --> 01:33:03,280
» so, um, do you want me to follow up with
Greg to schedule something in August?

1120
01:33:01,520 --> 01:33:06,639
» Yeah. I mean, well, he can come in
anytime he wants. He's the

1121
01:33:04,719 --> 01:33:09,920
» No, I I know he I know he can come in
anytime.

1122
01:33:07,920 --> 01:33:15,040
» I would say to him like, do you want a
thousand ticks on you and do you want to

1123
01:33:12,639 --> 01:33:17,440
have like
>> horns in your face? I mean, it's up to

1124
01:33:17,120 --> 01:33:20,719
him.
>> Well, that was the discussion we were

1125
01:33:18,719 --> 01:33:25,280
having because he did explain that
previously. he was unable to

1126
01:33:23,679 --> 01:33:28,239
» access it because he's like, I needed a
machete to cut through it. And I was

1127
01:33:26,719 --> 01:33:32,320
like, well, just so you know, we
currently don't have a highway person.

1128
01:33:30,400 --> 01:33:38,320
» I think we had one person.
>> We have the testers, too. And so, they

1129
01:33:34,880 --> 01:33:42,719
have to stretch out. I think they have
the the that quarter. I think they can

1130
01:33:40,480 --> 01:33:47,120
go up until like the very last day of
August. like basically tell Todd every

1131
01:33:45,280 --> 01:33:51,840
year like just go to the like schedule
it for the last day because it's going

1132
01:33:48,960 --> 01:33:56,639
to take like all month to arrange
someone to clear it

1133
01:33:53,040 --> 01:34:01,600
» is and touch through Alice
>> and they send the the the well testing

1134
01:33:59,520 --> 01:34:05,679
reports to the board and those need to
just get filed and and

1135
01:34:04,560 --> 01:34:10,159
um
>> yeah it's a lot to learn in there too.

1136
01:34:07,520 --> 01:34:13,199
So,
um,

1137
01:34:11,360 --> 01:34:16,400
» that was with the wells, gas, testing,
head damage, repairs, maintenance,

1138
01:34:15,040 --> 01:34:20,719
» and I don't know what those are. They're
going to be a few thousand dollar each,

1139
01:34:18,480 --> 01:34:24,400
» I think.
>> I don't know where the money is going to

1140
01:34:22,000 --> 01:34:27,040
come from, but
>> well,

1141
01:34:25,120 --> 01:34:30,239
» hopeully hopefully there's hopefully
there's a little

1142
01:34:28,400 --> 01:34:35,120
» hopefully there's enough in the budget
to deal with it.

1143
01:34:31,760 --> 01:34:38,400
» Um, a waistband compliance statement, we
have to do that, too. And I had given

1144
01:34:37,679 --> 01:34:43,040
» yeah I
>> I brought this at to a prior meeting

1145
01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:49,600
that we just have to create one for the
town of Brookfield. I Barry's was very

1146
01:34:46,000 --> 01:34:54,639
similar to ours. So that's the example I
>> I have no like they have a template like

1147
01:34:52,880 --> 01:34:58,400
this.
>> Yeah, this is a D form.

1148
01:34:56,239 --> 01:35:05,040
» Yeah, D form. So I mean I have no
problem doing the best I can and then

1149
01:35:02,159 --> 01:35:10,719
maybe Well, go ahead. Well, this is very
similar. Barry is similar to us.

1150
01:35:08,320 --> 01:35:15,520
» And so this is a good place to start.
And I guess this is what you got to just

1151
01:35:12,560 --> 01:35:19,440
do because we have to attest to this is
just make sure that what we say is what

1152
01:35:17,360 --> 01:35:23,199
we're doing. It's really a documentation
that we're doing what we say we're doing

1153
01:35:21,360 --> 01:35:27,600
to comply with the waistband.
>> Like so it's having a good understanding

1154
01:35:25,920 --> 01:35:32,400
of what the operations are at the
transfer station. So, it's almost like

1155
01:35:30,560 --> 01:35:37,040
fill it out and then someone's got to
get down and kind of like walk it out

1156
01:35:35,120 --> 01:35:42,560
with the transfer station and get input
from Jim to make sure like, yep, that's

1157
01:35:39,120 --> 01:35:45,840
true before you sign it.
>> Yeah. I mean, I

1158
01:35:43,679 --> 01:35:50,239
» sign as a board. I I think that we have
to vote and sign it, but like

1159
01:35:47,679 --> 01:35:54,320
» you'll the chair generally signs the
documents that

1160
01:35:51,679 --> 01:36:00,320
» come from the board votes on. But I
mean, I have no problem

1161
01:35:56,800 --> 01:36:03,280
taking a stab at it. And then I think I
can share with you because it's not

1162
01:36:01,360 --> 01:36:07,840
deliberation. It's just factual
information

1163
01:36:05,280 --> 01:36:12,000
before we uh move forward because you
you have much more experience and

1164
01:36:09,360 --> 01:36:15,040
knowledge. So I don't know if once I go
through it if you want to look it over

1165
01:36:13,199 --> 01:36:18,000
and then we put it before the board.
>> I think I would not be able to give you

1166
01:36:17,120 --> 01:36:22,000
the feedback.
>> No, not give me the feedback. But if you

1167
01:36:19,920 --> 01:36:24,719
» if you if you
circulate it ahead of the meeting,

1168
01:36:23,280 --> 01:36:27,440
» circulate it, then you can put your
feedback to to it and then share it at

1169
01:36:26,719 --> 01:36:32,120
the meeting.
>> Yes, guess that. Yeah,

1170
01:36:35,040 --> 01:36:39,000
» I'll take that task on.

1171
01:36:47,840 --> 01:36:56,840
Uh, next up, the environmental testing
landfill gap and well contract for

1172
01:36:53,119 --> 01:36:56,840
fiscal year 2027.

1173
01:36:57,360 --> 01:37:04,639
» Um,
the

1174
01:37:02,400 --> 01:37:07,119
we have one more year on that. I confirm
that

1175
01:37:05,679 --> 01:37:13,119
» that we have one more year on the
contract. So, this is just another one

1176
01:37:09,199 --> 01:37:19,920
that you'll have to be mindful of to
>> 2028.

1177
01:37:15,679 --> 01:37:24,719
202 it'll be 20 27 for the next three
fiscal years. You can do a three. We got

1178
01:37:22,400 --> 01:37:29,520
good pricing to do a three-year contract
and I would suggest you try to do that

1179
01:37:27,520 --> 01:37:31,520
because these are expensive.
>> Yeah.

1180
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:36,800
» Um
but yeah, we have to get a bid though

1181
01:37:33,760 --> 01:37:41,600
like so but so so just for planning
purposes. Yeah. you want to schedule

1182
01:37:39,760 --> 01:37:46,960
meetings
that talk about

1183
01:37:43,840 --> 01:37:52,480
bids for testing
>> and this like it's kind of been it's

1184
01:37:50,159 --> 01:37:56,239
going to be a lot of work to just come
down to hiring Atlas again because I

1185
01:37:54,639 --> 01:37:59,840
swear they're always a better price and
there always like very few people that

1186
01:37:58,719 --> 01:38:03,280
actually do this. So
>> but you got to go through the process

1187
01:38:01,440 --> 01:38:10,119
» you have to do the because of the costs
involved.

1188
01:38:04,320 --> 01:38:10,119
» No procurement the procurement laws. So

1189
01:38:11,440 --> 01:38:16,480
» that's just think of for the future.
>> Yeah.

1190
01:38:14,320 --> 01:38:20,159
» Gotcha. Thank you.
>> Uh next up, grievance that was received

1191
01:38:19,119 --> 01:38:27,080
» myself
>> on Friday, June 12th.

1192
01:38:23,199 --> 01:38:27,080
He going to refuse himself.

1193
01:38:33,520 --> 01:38:41,119
uh grievance received on Friday, June
12, 2026.

1194
01:38:38,080 --> 01:38:47,280
Uh we received an email.
Like me read the uh email.

1195
01:38:45,840 --> 01:38:50,480
» Yeah.
>> To the Brookfield Board of Health. I'm

1196
01:38:48,960 --> 01:38:54,239
submitting this grievance concerning the
board's republication and continued use

1197
01:38:52,560 --> 01:38:58,320
of meeting minutes that were previously
found by the Massachusetts Attorney

1198
01:38:56,000 --> 01:39:02,400
General's office to be inaccurate and
insufficient under the open meeting law.

1199
01:39:00,639 --> 01:39:06,080
This issue is not a simple disagreement
over wording in meeting minutes. This

1200
01:39:04,239 --> 01:39:10,480
matter has already been investigated by
the Attorney General's Division of Open

1201
01:39:08,719 --> 01:39:14,480
Government following formal complaint
that I filed with serving as a member of

1202
01:39:12,480 --> 01:39:20,560
the board of health. As the attorney
general found in open meeting law 202445

1203
01:39:19,040 --> 01:39:24,239
attached, the minutes failed to
accurately capture what occurred during

1204
01:39:22,239 --> 01:39:27,679
the meeting. Specifically, the attorney
general found that the minutes

1205
01:39:25,360 --> 01:39:31,199
inaccurately recorded the discussion
regarding the emergency preparedness

1206
01:39:29,360 --> 01:39:35,440
plan and entirely failed to record a
lengthy discussion in guard regarding

1207
01:39:33,199 --> 01:39:40,480
emails exchanged between the former
chair Moren Leipac and myself concerning

1208
01:39:38,480 --> 01:39:43,920
the emergency beaver permit and related
issues. The attorney general further

1209
01:39:42,560 --> 01:39:48,480
found that the minutes failed to
accurately reflect the substance of the

1210
01:39:46,000 --> 01:39:52,320
discussion that occurred and ordered the
board to amend the minutes to ensure

1211
01:39:50,080 --> 01:39:56,080
compliance with the open meeting law.
What makes this situation particularly

1212
01:39:54,239 --> 01:40:00,560
frustrating is the amount of effort that
was required to required to correct

1213
01:39:58,480 --> 01:40:03,760
these minutes in the first place. Before
filing my open meeting law complaint, I

1214
01:40:02,320 --> 01:40:07,520
repeatedly attempted to resolve the
issue directly with the board. I raised

1215
01:40:06,000 --> 01:40:11,520
concerns that the minutes did not
accurately reflect what had occurred

1216
01:40:10,000 --> 01:40:15,440
during the meeting and requested that
the board simply review the audio

1217
01:40:13,360 --> 01:40:19,280
recording. I was told there was not
enough time to do so when I suggested

1218
01:40:17,679 --> 01:40:23,040
reviewing only the brief portion of the
recording that was actually in dispute.

1219
01:40:21,360 --> 01:40:26,400
I was again told there was not enough
time. I even offered to pay out of my

1220
01:40:25,199 --> 01:40:30,320
own pocket to have the meeting
professionally transcribed so that the

1221
01:40:28,159 --> 01:40:34,239
board could compare the transcript to
the approved minutes. Rather than review

1222
01:40:32,560 --> 01:40:38,639
the evidence, concerns were raised about
whether a transit transcript would be

1223
01:40:36,400 --> 01:40:42,239
accurate. At every stage, I attempted to
find a practical solution that would

1224
01:40:40,080 --> 01:40:46,639
allow the matter to be resolved without
involving outside agencies. Those

1225
01:40:44,400 --> 01:40:49,679
efforts were unsuccessful. As a result,
I filed what was my first open meeting

1226
01:40:48,560 --> 01:40:54,239
law complaint with the attorney
general's office. The process took

1227
01:40:51,840 --> 01:40:58,080
months. During that time, I critic I was
criticized for filing the complaint and

1228
01:40:56,560 --> 01:41:01,679
I told that I should have worked with
the board rather than seeking review

1229
01:40:59,760 --> 01:41:05,600
from the attorney general. The reality
is that seeking review from the attorney

1230
01:41:03,440 --> 01:41:09,760
general was not my first choice. It was
my last resort after repeated attempts

1231
01:41:07,920 --> 01:41:13,840
to resolve the matter directly with the
board with the board had failed.

1232
01:41:12,400 --> 01:41:17,760
Importantly, the attorney general's
findings confirmed that I had argued

1233
01:41:15,920 --> 01:41:21,360
what I had argued all along. The
attorney general noted that my concern

1234
01:41:19,199 --> 01:41:25,679
was not with the titles of chair and
vice chair per se, but rather that my

1235
01:41:23,679 --> 01:41:30,159
concern related to my voice being heard
and my vote counting where it appeared

1236
01:41:27,760 --> 01:41:33,679
that decisions had been made in advance.
The meeting minutes were written in a

1237
01:41:31,920 --> 01:41:37,679
manner that portrayed me as having been
given an explanation for why the chair

1238
01:41:36,000 --> 01:41:42,239
and vice chair titles appeared in the
emergency preparedness

1239
01:41:39,760 --> 01:41:46,719
plan and then simply refusing to accept
that explanation causing the discussion

1240
01:41:44,560 --> 01:41:50,560
to deteriorate.
This is not what occurred. More

1241
01:41:48,480 --> 01:41:53,679
importantly, the meeting did not go off
track because of the discussion

1242
01:41:51,840 --> 01:41:57,119
regarding the titles. The attorney
general found that the minutes entirely

1243
01:41:55,280 --> 01:42:01,520
failed to capture the lengthy discussion
that followed regarding the emergency

1244
01:41:59,280 --> 01:42:05,520
beaver permanent related emails and the
disagreements surrounding those issues.

1245
01:42:03,520 --> 01:42:09,280
By omitting that discussion and focusing
instead on the earlier exchange

1246
01:42:07,040 --> 01:42:13,280
regarding the titles, the minutes
created the misleading impression that I

1247
01:42:11,600 --> 01:42:18,159
had simply refused to accept an
explanation and and was responsible for

1248
01:42:15,679 --> 01:42:22,000
the meeting's breakdown when in reality
a substantial portion of the dispute

1249
01:42:20,080 --> 01:42:25,520
centered on the emergency beaver permit
and related matters that were not

1250
01:42:23,920 --> 01:42:29,520
accurately reflected in the official
record. That history is why the recent

1251
01:42:27,920 --> 01:42:33,920
new publication of the inaccurate
minutes is so concerning. This is not a

1252
01:42:32,080 --> 01:42:38,800
newly discovered issue or a clerical
mistake. It is a it is a matter that was

1253
01:42:36,480 --> 01:42:42,800
disputed, challenged, investigated, and
ultimately decided by the attorney

1254
01:42:40,320 --> 01:42:46,800
general after months of effort. The
attorney general's determination was not

1255
01:42:44,480 --> 01:42:50,800
a suggestion. It was the result of a
formal investigation included an order

1256
01:42:48,719 --> 01:42:54,800
that the board amend the minutes. It is
therefore deeply troubling that after my

1257
01:42:52,639 --> 01:42:59,040
departure from the board, the inaccurate
minutes appear to have been republished

1258
01:42:57,280 --> 01:43:02,960
or restored despite the attorney
general's findings in order. The effect

1259
01:43:01,040 --> 01:43:06,480
is to place back into the public record
minutes that the Commonwealth has

1260
01:43:04,239 --> 01:43:09,119
already determined were inaccurate.
Republishing minutes that were

1261
01:43:07,679 --> 01:43:13,199
previously found to be inaccurate
undermines the integrity of the public

1262
01:43:10,639 --> 01:43:16,880
record and sends the message that the
board does not take the attorney

1263
01:43:14,560 --> 01:43:21,199
general's findings seriously. Seeing the
inaccurate version returned to the

1264
01:43:19,199 --> 01:43:24,960
public record after the attorney general
ordered that it be corrected gives the

1265
01:43:23,440 --> 01:43:28,800
appearance that the attorney general's
determination has been disregarded and

1266
01:43:27,280 --> 01:43:34,080
that the corrective process has been
undone. Accordingly, I request that the

1267
01:43:31,520 --> 01:43:39,040
board immediately review, remove any
inaccurate reser re version of the

1268
01:43:36,880 --> 01:43:42,880
minutes from publication. I further
request that this grievance be included

1269
01:43:40,719 --> 01:43:46,960
in the board's record records and
discussed at the next available meeting.

1270
01:43:45,199 --> 01:43:50,239
I'd also like the board to publicly vote
on whether it wishes to continue

1271
01:43:48,320 --> 01:43:54,400
publishing minutes that were pre
previously found by the attorney general

1272
01:43:52,159 --> 01:43:58,679
to be inaccurate. respectfully
submitted. Christopher Keller,

1273
01:43:59,199 --> 01:44:09,040
any discussion?
>> Um,

1274
01:44:03,679 --> 01:44:13,199
it doesn't say on here the date of the
meeting for the meeting minutes that we

1275
01:44:11,440 --> 01:44:16,639
need to review.
>> I think we have the person here. We

1276
01:44:15,040 --> 01:44:20,960
maybe can ask them directly.
>> Okay.

1277
01:44:19,040 --> 01:44:25,199
» Mr. Keller, could you tell us the dates
in question? Um, I could look it up, but

1278
01:44:23,600 --> 01:44:28,400
it was um I gave the attachment of the
attorney general's determination, which

1279
01:44:26,719 --> 01:44:31,400
would have it on there.
>> Um,

1280
01:44:32,639 --> 01:44:37,119
» yeah, we don't have the attachment with
us. It probably is in the email and it

1281
01:44:36,159 --> 01:44:41,520
was over hooked.
>> Okay, sure. No worries. Um, if you give

1282
01:44:38,960 --> 01:44:45,840
me two seconds, I can look it up. Um, or
if you want to take it up at another

1283
01:44:42,639 --> 01:44:51,560
meeting, that's fine, too. Um, I know I
don't watch most guys make a decision on

1284
01:44:47,040 --> 01:44:51,560
the fly. Uh,

1285
01:44:51,920 --> 01:45:05,199
All right. It was for the um
the board of health meeting May 3

1286
01:45:02,320 --> 01:45:12,400
24th.
Yeah. The May 24, 2023.

1287
01:45:10,159 --> 01:45:17,920
That would be um which they were
approved on May 31st. So it is the

1288
01:45:14,320 --> 01:45:21,440
meeting minutes for the May 24th, 2023
meeting. So, if you go to my town

1289
01:45:19,600 --> 01:45:26,480
government, what you'll see right now is
you're going to see two versions up

1290
01:45:22,960 --> 01:45:30,239
there. The inaccurate version and the um
the amended version. And I can tell you

1291
01:45:28,880 --> 01:45:33,679
as a former member of the board of
health, as soon as attorney general came

1292
01:45:31,520 --> 01:45:39,199
up with this determination, I had access
to my town government. So, I immediately

1293
01:45:35,920 --> 01:45:42,800
took down the inaccurate version um so
that they, you know, because they were

1294
01:45:40,719 --> 01:45:46,320
deemed to be inaccurate when I was off
the board that that that inaccurate

1295
01:45:44,639 --> 01:45:51,119
version is up there. Right now, a member
of the public has a 50/50 chance of, you

1296
01:45:48,560 --> 01:45:57,280
know, reviewing the inaccurate version
or the accur accurate version.

1297
01:45:54,400 --> 01:46:01,840
» Thank you.
>> Is it clear which one's accurate and

1298
01:45:59,520 --> 01:46:04,719
which one's not accurate? They're both
posted on there still.

1299
01:46:03,440 --> 01:46:10,239
» Yeah, they're both posted on there. If
I'm memory serves me correctly, I

1300
01:46:06,800 --> 01:46:14,480
believe the the revised one either says
revised or updated or some some language

1301
01:46:12,800 --> 01:46:19,920
to that effect.
Okay. And that's the one that is okay.

1302
01:46:18,639 --> 01:46:25,280
» Correct.
>> Okay. But the other one is still posted

1303
01:46:23,199 --> 01:46:29,840
and it needs to be removed.
>> I'm requesting it to be removed because

1304
01:46:28,239 --> 01:46:32,480
» it's they're inaccurate. We know that
they're inaccurate

1305
01:46:30,480 --> 01:46:36,560
» requests to remove it. Okay.
>> Right. And just to remind the board,

1306
01:46:34,159 --> 01:46:41,520
there's no nothing in the statute that
states that a board has to publicize its

1307
01:46:38,639 --> 01:46:44,239
meeting minutes. It's that is by choice.
So there's there's nothing in the sash

1308
01:46:43,119 --> 01:46:48,480
that says the board has to put those
meeting minutes up on on a third party

1309
01:46:45,920 --> 01:46:52,239
website.
>> Oh, thank you very much.

1310
01:46:50,239 --> 01:46:55,840
» Thank you for that.
>> They do need to be filed, right? So the

1311
01:46:54,159 --> 01:46:59,199
meeting minutes still need to be filed
with the clerk,

1312
01:46:56,480 --> 01:47:03,520
» right? So we'll need to address both the
publication of them and then what's in

1313
01:47:00,880 --> 01:47:06,719
the record with the clerk as well
>> if if anything's happened there. Like if

1314
01:47:05,360 --> 01:47:08,639
both of them are there, we'll have to
address both those.

1315
01:47:07,920 --> 01:47:14,480
» Okay. Um,
>> I need to review the attachment on here

1316
01:47:11,440 --> 01:47:18,800
cuz I did not get to review that.
>> Do you

1317
01:47:15,040 --> 01:47:23,360
» and to look this up and then
>> I I'll make a motion then.

1318
01:47:21,199 --> 01:47:28,800
» Um, I don't know if we need a
>> Well, figure out what my motion's going

1319
01:47:25,440 --> 01:47:33,040
to be. My motion is going to be that we
take those meeting minutes down for the

1320
01:47:30,639 --> 01:47:38,639
moment while we review this
both sets of of meeting minutes

1321
01:47:36,880 --> 01:47:43,840
» for that for May 24th.
>> The May 24th. Yeah. We take both of

1322
01:47:40,800 --> 01:47:49,280
those down, review
this, come up with, we'll come back,

1323
01:47:47,280 --> 01:47:53,920
vote at the next meeting, and then
decide

1324
01:47:51,440 --> 01:48:00,000
which version is going to be
republished, where the minutes go

1325
01:47:55,920 --> 01:48:03,840
because if if there's inconsistencies, I
I'd like to compare them both and then

1326
01:48:01,760 --> 01:48:08,960
get get any kind of inconsistent
material down. Now,

1327
01:48:06,639 --> 01:48:15,520
» uh, the issue I have with that is to be
able to access it to look at it cuz if

1328
01:48:13,520 --> 01:48:19,040
it's on there right now, I can pull them
to look at them.

1329
01:48:16,800 --> 01:48:21,840
» I think we could I think we can download
it to to to have them.

1330
01:48:21,360 --> 01:48:26,080
» Okay.
>> Prior to removing them from

1331
01:48:23,440 --> 01:48:29,760
» Right. because then it who's removing it
and when

1332
01:48:28,159 --> 01:48:34,480
» I have the access to my town government.
>> Oh, you do? Okay.

1333
01:48:31,119 --> 01:48:37,840
» So, I can post the agenda meetings.
uh the agendas for meetings and then

1334
01:48:36,239 --> 01:48:40,239
things like that. So I could make a copy
for us.

1335
01:48:39,520 --> 01:48:47,600
» Yeah. If you
>> and then take it down for the moment

1336
01:48:43,040 --> 01:48:49,199
» if you download them, email them,
>> look at the version, the different

1337
01:48:48,880 --> 01:48:52,639
version.
>> Yeah. Compare the two. I just think it's

1338
01:48:51,119 --> 01:48:54,960
prudent to take the information down so
there's no

1339
01:48:54,320 --> 01:49:00,320
» inaccurate
>> inaccuracy and then put the proper

1340
01:48:58,560 --> 01:49:04,000
and it could be either one. I mean, once
we go through it, I I mean, I don't know

1341
01:49:01,920 --> 01:49:08,400
if there's a recording or other minutes
from that meeting that we would be able

1342
01:49:05,920 --> 01:49:10,800
to compare those minutes to.
>> So, your motion

1343
01:49:09,440 --> 01:49:15,040
» that would be something I'll have to
check with our IT to see if that meeting

1344
01:49:13,520 --> 01:49:21,040
was recorded or not.
>> Okay.

1345
01:49:17,760 --> 01:49:28,360
» My motion would be
that we remove both sets of meeting

1346
01:49:23,360 --> 01:49:28,360
minutes for the May 24th, 2023

1347
01:49:29,679 --> 01:49:37,440
uh board of health meeting
until

1348
01:49:34,560 --> 01:49:40,960
we address this situation at the next
meeting and we take a vote because you

1349
01:49:39,679 --> 01:49:44,840
want time to go through it. I want time
to go through it as well.

1350
01:49:48,000 --> 01:49:53,040
» And then
there was a a request here at the end.

1351
01:49:52,239 --> 01:49:58,320
» Hold on.
>> My apologies. Um, so the motion is to

1352
01:49:56,080 --> 01:50:01,760
remove both versions
for May 24th, 2023 board of health

1353
01:50:00,880 --> 01:50:05,440
meeting
>> from the website

1354
01:50:02,800 --> 01:50:09,000
» from website
my town governmenting

1355
01:50:12,080 --> 01:50:17,159
review until the next meeting.
>> Correct.

1356
01:50:19,840 --> 01:50:24,880
» I will second that.
Any

1357
01:50:23,920 --> 01:50:30,719
discussion?
>> Um, yeah, if you want to just make sure

1358
01:50:27,280 --> 01:50:33,760
that you download and send it to me.
>> Yes.

1359
01:50:32,320 --> 01:50:37,119
» Make sure that's taken care of.
>> We have this attachment, correct?

1360
01:50:36,159 --> 01:50:39,600
» Yeah, it's on there.
>> It's in the email as well. I'll send

1361
01:50:38,719 --> 01:50:43,679
that out to you guys.
>> Okay. Yeah, if you can put that all in

1362
01:50:41,679 --> 01:50:49,760
the same thing and then Yep.
>> Um, so we can review the documents.

1363
01:50:46,719 --> 01:50:56,000
I'm assuming since uh Maren's recused
herself that it would just be sending it

1364
01:50:52,719 --> 01:50:59,440
to me. I don't know if she she would
want to be on the communications for

1365
01:50:57,840 --> 01:51:03,679
that.
>> I can ask her, but I think from recusing

1366
01:51:01,600 --> 01:51:07,040
herself, it's probably a no, but I I'll
I'll still give her the opportunity to

1367
01:51:05,199 --> 01:51:08,880
see if maybe she has any information
with it.

1368
01:51:07,760 --> 01:51:12,400
» Okay.
Um,

1369
01:51:10,480 --> 01:51:15,199
and then the request was, I'd like the
board to publicly vote on whether it

1370
01:51:13,600 --> 01:51:20,000
wishes to continue publishing minutes
that were previously found by the

1371
01:51:17,360 --> 01:51:23,480
attorney general to be inaccurate. I I
think that's a

1372
01:51:24,239 --> 01:51:28,920
it's right at the end of the line.

1373
01:51:36,239 --> 01:51:43,360
» I don't vague. Yeah, I don't I mean I
don't know if a vote necessarily needs

1374
01:51:40,560 --> 01:51:46,239
to take place, but I mean I think in
good faith we're not trying to publish

1375
01:51:45,040 --> 01:51:49,440
anything that's
>> inaccurate. So we'll address that and if

1376
01:51:48,080 --> 01:51:52,719
any future complaints come up, we'll
address those as they come up.

1377
01:51:51,360 --> 01:51:56,080
» Yeah, I agree with that.
>> Okay.

1378
01:51:55,040 --> 01:52:00,320
» And
>> and then I just I just want

1379
01:51:58,800 --> 01:52:05,920
» Yeah, I'm going to do a vote on it.
Yeah. Thank you. So, uh no more

1380
01:52:02,320 --> 01:52:08,920
discussion. Um all in favor? I
>> I

1381
01:52:09,840 --> 01:52:19,560
and then just for the sake I'd like to
put that letter into the record of of

1382
01:52:15,920 --> 01:52:19,560
the board of health.

1383
01:52:20,400 --> 01:52:28,920
» All right.
Somebody mind letting

1384
01:52:24,400 --> 01:52:28,920
know that subject

1385
01:52:36,719 --> 01:52:41,639
We are
>> almost

1386
01:52:41,760 --> 01:52:50,440
waste taller regulations.
Uh discussion this is about complying

1387
01:52:46,159 --> 01:52:50,440
with Massachusetts waistband law.

1388
01:52:50,480 --> 01:53:01,199
» I think you asked for that.
>> Yeah. Um we had had that discussion last

1389
01:52:57,920 --> 01:53:06,239
year. Um
we don't have our private haulers. Our

1390
01:53:04,239 --> 01:53:13,920
private haulers don't have a regulation.
We are permitting private haulers.

1391
01:53:09,360 --> 01:53:20,800
So we are not giving them a process to
which to be permitted and to know the

1392
01:53:16,480 --> 01:53:24,719
standards, the violations, an appeal
process

1393
01:53:22,320 --> 01:53:30,080
just for their permitting. But also we
don't have um you know we we're doing

1394
01:53:28,400 --> 01:53:33,599
all this stuff with our transfer station
to be in compliance with the waistband

1395
01:53:31,840 --> 01:53:38,960
laws and we don't do that for our
private haulers in town. Seems like a

1396
01:53:36,080 --> 01:53:42,440
disparity. So I think it should just be
discussed further.

1397
01:53:43,360 --> 01:53:59,119
Um we there was a template from D that
was provided Irene. Yep. Um, and so

1398
01:53:54,320 --> 01:54:06,400
couldn't get to agreement at the time
and so I'm just trying to keep it on the

1399
01:54:03,760 --> 01:54:11,040
burner so that it can be thought about.
>> I think it's something that should be

1400
01:54:08,480 --> 01:54:14,080
thought about. I think for me, my thing
is always to go to the people that are

1401
01:54:12,800 --> 01:54:19,280
involved. Sometimes they're not going to
give you the best information, but to

1402
01:54:16,960 --> 01:54:25,599
find out like what's being done in other
towns, that that's very difficult for

1403
01:54:22,639 --> 01:54:29,679
smaller companies to to address. But but
then we have to put our eye on it from

1404
01:54:27,840 --> 01:54:31,679
the public health perspective of
>> that's

1405
01:54:30,320 --> 01:54:34,159
» what's right and what's wrong.
>> That is the eye.

1406
01:54:32,719 --> 01:54:36,800
» Yes.
>> Public health like

1407
01:54:35,360 --> 01:54:40,480
» Well, that's what I said that that we
have to do. But I think it's it's good

1408
01:54:38,480 --> 01:54:44,800
to also listen to how things affect
other people. Well, I think too look

1409
01:54:42,880 --> 01:54:48,719
around the other towns, right? These
companies are operating in a lot of

1410
01:54:46,080 --> 01:54:52,560
towns in state and they're doing it just
fine in all the other towns. So, I

1411
01:54:50,960 --> 01:54:55,840
that's the part that's kind of, you
know, we we should be thinking about

1412
01:54:53,920 --> 01:54:58,880
that, too. you look at a lot of the
trucks that are driving around, you see

1413
01:54:57,040 --> 01:55:04,000
they have the new trucks, you know, they
have the separation, you know, so it's

1414
01:55:01,599 --> 01:55:10,800
it's just making sure that we're in
compliant as a town

1415
01:55:06,560 --> 01:55:15,920
um with what state law because
there may be stuff in that template that

1416
01:55:12,800 --> 01:55:20,480
may not be like the state law. It might
be the pie in the sky that the state

1417
01:55:17,840 --> 01:55:24,639
likes to have. So, we can certainly
>> and that's kind of where I that's the

1418
01:55:22,400 --> 01:55:28,719
way I lean is more
Well, she's thinking of it because she

1419
01:55:26,560 --> 01:55:33,280
she's trying to get you the most points
in your No, I know grant, right? Because

1420
01:55:31,119 --> 01:55:36,320
this if we got one more point in our
grant, all of our grant points would

1421
01:55:34,880 --> 01:55:38,480
double in value
>> and we'd be getting twice as much money

1422
01:55:37,840 --> 01:55:41,040
every year,
>> right? But sometimes money is not always

1423
01:55:40,560 --> 01:55:44,960
the
>> No, it's not the It's not the ton of

1424
01:55:42,960 --> 01:55:50,400
money, but it's the private haulers.
they're, you know, they're right now

1425
01:55:47,760 --> 01:55:57,520
they're being asked to pay for permits
and there's no regulation to

1426
01:55:54,159 --> 01:56:01,840
um outline that process. So, it's kind
of a disservice to them as well. So,

1427
01:55:59,920 --> 01:56:07,119
» is this something that you want to take
up to like work on?

1428
01:56:03,440 --> 01:56:11,840
» I I tried that and and so um I don't
know what to take out. I know Kim, you

1429
01:56:10,159 --> 01:56:18,000
had a lot of feedback. So maybe if you
could mark up the document of what

1430
01:56:14,480 --> 01:56:21,920
particularly was troubling for you. Then
maybe then we could take a stab at, you

1431
01:56:19,920 --> 01:56:28,000
know, editing it. But it we never really
got to the specifics of the language of

1432
01:56:24,560 --> 01:56:34,639
what to revise and and then the other
option too is just to look at what other

1433
01:56:29,920 --> 01:56:39,599
towns have for regulations and
see if there's one that you thought was

1434
01:56:37,360 --> 01:56:44,239
said everything that you liked and not
the stuff that you didn't like and just

1435
01:56:42,080 --> 01:56:48,000
say what town that is and you could look
at that.

1436
01:56:45,520 --> 01:56:52,000
» I just don't want to invent the re
reinvent the wheel.

1437
01:56:49,199 --> 01:56:57,760
» Right. No, but the one from the DP was
like colorcoded. So there were certain

1438
01:56:54,480 --> 01:57:02,639
portions that they would require to get
the points and honestly I found them

1439
01:57:00,880 --> 01:57:06,639
very restrictive.
>> Well, I'm

1440
01:57:03,920 --> 01:57:12,800
» um
>> so and those were the those were the

1441
01:57:09,040 --> 01:57:17,440
ones to to get the points. So
>> I see what you're saying.

1442
01:57:13,679 --> 01:57:21,360
» I was very weary. Um, but you know, we
can look at what other towns have and

1443
01:57:20,719 --> 01:57:25,920
take a look.
>> Yeah, the point's less of an issue for

1444
01:57:24,320 --> 01:57:31,679
me than the just
>> having a regulation that details what

1445
01:57:29,679 --> 01:57:34,719
they need to do, you know.
>> So, when we permit them, we give them

1446
01:57:33,119 --> 01:57:39,840
the regulation and that they
>> Well, the the regulation is there, but

1447
01:57:37,199 --> 01:57:45,520
we permit them and then if they're not
adhering to the rules of the permit, you

1448
01:57:42,080 --> 01:57:51,360
know, a they know what the rules are. by
the the regulation, but then the permit

1449
01:57:48,000 --> 01:57:55,199
if they had a violation.
Well, we don't have anything in writing

1450
01:57:52,800 --> 01:58:00,159
to say that they have an appeal.
>> And then so what how do they know their

1451
01:57:58,239 --> 01:58:04,400
rights to come in and appeal it, you
know? So if we don't put down what the

1452
01:58:02,560 --> 01:58:07,520
fine's going to be, you know, like then
it's just like we don't really have a

1453
01:58:06,159 --> 01:58:13,599
process.
So, it's more of the

1454
01:58:10,719 --> 01:58:18,320
violation um appeals process things that
that are troubling you.

1455
01:58:15,760 --> 01:58:24,239
» Well, if you're going to collect money
as a permit, you owe it to them to have

1456
01:58:21,599 --> 01:58:25,679
» 100% agree. I'm just I'm just trying to
figure out what

1457
01:58:24,800 --> 01:58:28,080
» the rules are.
>> I'm just trying to figure out where

1458
01:58:26,719 --> 01:58:32,719
» so they know what the playing field is
and then they can say, okay, you know,

1459
01:58:31,040 --> 01:58:36,719
» and there's I mean, there's state law
already in place for these things,

1460
01:58:33,840 --> 01:58:42,880
right? We have so many vendors that come
through town that aren't even permitted.

1461
01:58:38,960 --> 01:58:46,960
I believe I've seen ads posted and I see
trucks on the roads and stuff and each

1462
01:58:45,040 --> 01:58:49,840
truck has to be registered, you know, in
town. They're hauling trash.

1463
01:58:49,040 --> 01:58:55,599
» Yep.
>> Um so you get the big ones, you know,

1464
01:58:53,920 --> 01:59:00,880
even the one that picks up the transfer
station trashella has to have a permit.

1465
01:58:57,920 --> 01:59:07,520
» Yeah. And then you have dumpster
services and things like that that you

1466
01:59:03,360 --> 01:59:11,280
know are hauling trash. Um
it's hard to know how many people

1467
01:59:09,520 --> 01:59:15,440
because anybody you know there's so many
companies available and they're they're

1468
01:59:13,040 --> 01:59:16,639
going to want to work in every town.
>> Um

1469
01:59:16,239 --> 01:59:20,080
» yeah,
>> some of them don't have they don't know

1470
01:59:18,159 --> 01:59:26,080
they don't see a rag so they just they
just do it. And what we don't really

1471
01:59:21,920 --> 01:59:30,800
have anything to any teeth to say to say
anything. So, it's nice that some of the

1472
01:59:28,320 --> 01:59:34,800
haulers have been paying their permit
fee and getting a permit, but I mean I

1473
01:59:32,639 --> 01:59:43,360
feel like it's it's service not to have
>> No, I I I think we should have like the

1474
01:59:39,199 --> 01:59:47,679
violation process and and how they and
things like that. I 100% agree with

1475
01:59:45,040 --> 01:59:52,560
that. I just I lean
>> just in everything to whatever the base

1476
01:59:50,960 --> 01:59:56,560
laws are, not to put in extra
regulations that we want to put in. So

1477
01:59:54,960 --> 02:00:00,719
that's that's what I would do.
>> That's how I am too. But uh

1478
01:59:58,480 --> 02:00:03,920
» so so I think if we look at that
>> Oh, I'm not saying anybody else isn't

1479
02:00:02,239 --> 02:00:09,199
that way. I'm just I'm just expressing
for the board the way I am.

1480
02:00:05,679 --> 02:00:14,080
» So for me, I think if we put a if it's
already things that they have to follow

1481
02:00:12,639 --> 02:00:19,119
» and we're just putting in the process
for this is how violations occur. This

1482
02:00:16,800 --> 02:00:22,639
is what your appeal process is. I think
we can move forward with something like

1483
02:00:20,320 --> 02:00:25,440
that. But that's I mean I'll take a look
into

1484
02:00:22,960 --> 02:00:29,760
» Yeah. And as long as it anything that is
required in the waistband law like then

1485
02:00:27,840 --> 02:00:32,639
we have to include that. It's state law.
We can't we can't

1486
02:00:31,280 --> 02:00:35,520
» forgo state law.
>> Nope. And I agree with that. Yeah.

1487
02:00:34,080 --> 02:00:40,480
» So those have to be added.
>> Yep.

1488
02:00:37,040 --> 02:00:45,599
» And a lot of towns updated their their
regs years ago and Brookfield just never

1489
02:00:42,960 --> 02:00:50,239
had any on, you know, we just didn't
have any.

1490
02:00:47,760 --> 02:00:54,719
» It's kind of like that for everything.
Then to your point on getting feedback

1491
02:00:52,400 --> 02:01:00,880
from companies that do deal with this
like I mean we could

1492
02:00:57,280 --> 02:01:06,639
» which we typically do have a
>> public hearing which we did and nobody

1493
02:01:03,520 --> 02:01:10,960
came to the one with the other
>> uh but you could always invite them to

1494
02:01:10,400 --> 02:01:16,159
feedback.
>> We don't have a lot of businesses in

1495
02:01:12,560 --> 02:01:19,360
town that are based in perfe.
So, you also don't want to run into

1496
02:01:17,520 --> 02:01:25,119
being unfair and giving it to some
people and not notifying others and

1497
02:01:21,440 --> 02:01:28,719
creating a a advantage
>> to some of these people. That's why it's

1498
02:01:26,880 --> 02:01:31,280
put in the paper,
>> right? Why everyone does it that way,

1499
02:01:30,639 --> 02:01:34,560
» right?
>> Unfortunately, that's so outdated and

1500
02:01:32,719 --> 02:01:37,520
the law hasn't been updated enough yet
to catch up. I know, but

1501
02:01:36,960 --> 02:01:41,520
» right.
>> I think we're doing,

1502
02:01:38,639 --> 02:01:46,000
» right? You don't want to send it to five
companies you know of and then the five

1503
02:01:43,760 --> 02:01:51,360
companies over here going, "Why didn't
we get it?" You know, but you have no

1504
02:01:48,560 --> 02:01:55,920
way of knowing who who's going to want,
you know? They're everywhere. It's a

1505
02:01:53,520 --> 02:01:58,480
It's not poor businesses that you're
talking about. It's like dozens.

1506
02:01:57,599 --> 02:02:02,639
» No, I got you.
>> So, I mean, that that's the the

1507
02:02:00,960 --> 02:02:04,400
» I think if we're trying to make a best
effort and try and get as much as we

1508
02:02:04,159 --> 02:02:08,800
can.
>> Yeah. Just don't create a unfair plan.

1509
02:02:06,400 --> 02:02:14,320
» Yeah. Try not in all attempt not to, but
try and get as

1510
02:02:11,360 --> 02:02:19,360
I I agree with that. So I think we
>> I I would never think that businesses

1511
02:02:16,560 --> 02:02:22,480
over residents get more say or you know
just because they have a business.

1512
02:02:20,800 --> 02:02:26,800
» I I don't think they should either. I
just think that we should take it into

1513
02:02:24,400 --> 02:02:33,360
account.
>> All right. So no no real action on that

1514
02:02:30,000 --> 02:02:38,760
then. All right. Let's go into uh new
business.

1515
02:02:35,199 --> 02:02:38,760
Any new business?

1516
02:02:40,239 --> 02:02:48,159
I think everything on there is followup.
Uh no, the new business on there. Um if

1517
02:02:46,639 --> 02:02:54,400
we could skip ahead in the agenda just
down the south pond. That's new, right?

1518
02:02:51,760 --> 02:02:56,560
» What's the water safety addition though?
Why don't we just

1519
02:02:55,280 --> 02:02:59,840
» Okay, we Yeah, we can go in order.
That's fine. Uh it's both new business

1520
02:02:58,320 --> 02:03:02,480
and follow-ups from the I was trying to
do what was new business and what was

1521
02:03:01,280 --> 02:03:08,719
follow-ups. That's why I was moving
ahead. But uh water safety

1522
02:03:05,840 --> 02:03:12,800
um addition of resources to the BO page
and a bulletin board at South Pond.

1523
02:03:11,840 --> 02:03:16,239
Um
>> I think the water safety was brought up

1524
02:03:15,280 --> 02:03:19,760
at the last meeting.
>> Yep.

1525
02:03:16,719 --> 02:03:22,639
» About talking to the um communications
committee to put that resource up.

1526
02:03:21,440 --> 02:03:24,560
» Oh, right. Yes. Sorry.
>> Yeah, that's why I was like, "Oh,

1527
02:03:24,000 --> 02:03:28,960
» thank you."
>> Yeah.

1528
02:03:26,159 --> 02:03:33,599
Uh, I did
reach out to the communications

1529
02:03:30,639 --> 02:03:38,800
committee on adding that and they did
add it to the board of health page under

1530
02:03:36,400 --> 02:03:44,080
resources. So, it was going to link to
it. They're working on like different

1531
02:03:41,360 --> 02:03:48,880
ways of adding things.
Um, they weren't sure if they were going

1532
02:03:45,599 --> 02:03:54,560
to add it as a full like Town of
Brookfield resources, but it seems like

1533
02:03:51,599 --> 02:03:57,440
they put it under like a a section on
the board of health.

1534
02:03:56,080 --> 02:04:01,440
» Well, that's good. I mean, it's up there
for people to find. Yes. Um, bulletin

1535
02:03:59,679 --> 02:04:04,639
board. I dropped the ball on that. I did
not follow up on putting a bulletin

1536
02:04:03,119 --> 02:04:08,239
board. It was talking about being able
to put like information up down at the

1537
02:04:06,560 --> 02:04:11,199
the beach somewhere. And I know it's
going to be a process because it's

1538
02:04:09,760 --> 02:04:17,199
» you got to talk to the state
>> the state owns the property

1539
02:04:13,760 --> 02:04:22,960
» and QQLA is very involved and they did
their signs already and there's a lot of

1540
02:04:20,159 --> 02:04:26,480
signage down there that it looks kind of
crazy

1541
02:04:25,440 --> 02:04:29,280
small.
>> I'm very familiar with the beach. It

1542
02:04:27,840 --> 02:04:30,880
used to be under our purview when I was
on the rec committee for years.

1543
02:04:30,400 --> 02:04:34,000
» Yeah.
>> So

1544
02:04:32,080 --> 02:04:38,800
» I I know it's a process if we were going
to go through with that.

1545
02:04:35,920 --> 02:04:43,199
They've talked for years about doing
things for that beach that I've never

1546
02:04:40,639 --> 02:04:46,960
seen anything done. Not not recreation,
but like the select board and stuff. So,

1547
02:04:46,639 --> 02:04:49,119
um
>> yeah,

1548
02:04:47,360 --> 02:04:52,320
» I don't know how the priority is going
to be there because I I think ADA is a

1549
02:04:51,119 --> 02:04:55,280
priority there. And
>> yes,

1550
02:04:53,440 --> 02:04:58,159
» we'll see. But
>> um

1551
02:04:56,800 --> 02:05:02,719
» I don't know who's going to maintain it
either. So,

1552
02:04:59,920 --> 02:05:07,599
» the uh algo bloom protocol
>> um I don't have it.

1553
02:05:04,000 --> 02:05:11,040
» Okay. I wish that I did because I know
it's kind of time of the essence because

1554
02:05:09,440 --> 02:05:13,119
usually starting to creep up in the
summer.

1555
02:05:11,679 --> 02:05:17,840
» The numbers just started creeping up. I
don't know if you guys both saw the

1556
02:05:15,599 --> 02:05:21,360
» No, that's E.coli.
>> Yeah. Oh, you're right. That's ei You

1557
02:05:20,159 --> 02:05:25,360
are right. It's a different thing.
You're right.

1558
02:05:21,840 --> 02:05:28,480
» We have South Pond gets E.coli. That's
>> You are right.

1559
02:05:26,000 --> 02:05:32,159
» Every year. And that's going to be in
this kind of weathery kind of if we have

1560
02:05:30,639 --> 02:05:34,719
a lot of rain or something like that. We
we haven't had a lot of rain. So, it's

1561
02:05:33,920 --> 02:05:37,679
probably not
>> Well, it just jumped up because we had

1562
02:05:36,320 --> 02:05:40,800
that rain yesterday.
>> So, it jumped up to 29.5.

1563
02:05:40,239 --> 02:05:43,920
» Oh,
>> which isn't nothing. It's not really

1564
02:05:42,080 --> 02:05:46,400
anything. It's 235 is the limit.
>> Yeah.

1565
02:05:44,320 --> 02:05:48,800
» But it's inching up. So,
>> when it goes over, you're going to go,

1566
02:05:47,760 --> 02:05:52,960
"Oh my god."
>> Yeah. Okay.

1567
02:05:49,679 --> 02:05:59,520
» Um Yeah. It it's
>> it's going to be a while, but the al

1568
02:05:57,119 --> 02:06:04,400
algae as an issue is going to hit the
other pond more than South Pond. South

1569
02:06:01,920 --> 02:06:08,320
Pond's like 80 ft deep. It's probably
there's probably sections over in the

1570
02:06:06,080 --> 02:06:14,719
Stirbridge side, you know, but like
South Pond is owned by Eastville owned

1571
02:06:11,280 --> 02:06:21,280
by the state and then each town has like
borders. Um

1572
02:06:17,520 --> 02:06:26,239
the flushing helps too. um when they
lower the the gate to kind of let some

1573
02:06:24,159 --> 02:06:33,679
of the water come through into the the
the other pond, the other pond is very

1574
02:06:28,719 --> 02:06:40,320
shallow. So, um it's get a lot of sun, a
lot of heat. It's going to encourage

1575
02:06:36,159 --> 02:06:46,079
algae. So, that's when you run into that
protocol is a great idea. Um,

1576
02:06:44,079 --> 02:06:52,320
I have
I have a lot of information on that

1577
02:06:48,639 --> 02:06:55,520
because I I um
>> you take that up as like an action item

1578
02:06:54,000 --> 02:06:58,800
for the next meeting.
>> Uh,

1579
02:06:56,159 --> 02:07:02,480
» yeah. So, did you start writing a
protocol?

1580
02:06:59,760 --> 02:07:06,480
» I have notes from the webinar of what
they suggested and I couldn't find my

1581
02:07:05,040 --> 02:07:09,679
notes as I was trying to put this
together. if I don't mind putting

1582
02:07:07,520 --> 02:07:13,840
something together because I did like a
a little

1583
02:07:11,119 --> 02:07:17,760
» talk at the QQLA annual meeting last
year. So, I still have all the info from

1584
02:07:15,840 --> 02:07:19,679
that. I can kind of maybe draft
something and then send it for the next

1585
02:07:19,280 --> 02:07:23,760
meeting.
>> Yeah, that would be great because

1586
02:07:21,520 --> 02:07:28,880
» that way we know exactly because it's it
typically happens.

1587
02:07:25,760 --> 02:07:33,840
» So, we know exactly what steps
>> Yeah. and who to contact and who does

1588
02:07:31,440 --> 02:07:36,400
the posting and
when and

1589
02:07:35,920 --> 02:07:44,320
» where
>> because it's a triage of working with D

1590
02:07:39,119 --> 02:07:49,599
and DPH so it's it I had to go through
it mostly I mean it happened a few years

1591
02:07:47,520 --> 02:07:53,760
ago and it was pretty mild but the one
last year was pretty significant

1592
02:07:52,159 --> 02:07:58,079
it it involved a lot and it was kind of
a learning curve so I did take

1593
02:07:56,000 --> 02:08:00,400
» yeah what we what we're responsible for
and what the states it's responsible for

1594
02:07:59,679 --> 02:08:04,960
and
>> yeah fortunately and now we have the

1595
02:08:03,599 --> 02:08:08,400
communications committee that's
excellent about putting out

1596
02:08:06,079 --> 02:08:15,119
communications so they can help
>> streamline getting notice to residents

1597
02:08:13,360 --> 02:08:20,760
» yeah the signage is going to be the big
one that's the physical stuff that um

1598
02:08:21,199 --> 02:08:27,000
» be nice to find some money to buy some
signs

1599
02:08:27,280 --> 02:08:36,360
» I did I do have this sign. I don't know
where we would want to post it, but this

1600
02:08:33,199 --> 02:08:36,360
is what

1601
02:08:36,560 --> 02:08:39,560
came.

1602
02:08:41,280 --> 02:08:48,719
It was $27.61.
I am happy to just donate it to the

1603
02:08:45,840 --> 02:08:54,960
town. Um,
it's it's a nice sign.

1604
02:08:51,360 --> 02:09:00,480
I if I I I do know too there's like a
state website that has a lot of standard

1605
02:08:57,599 --> 02:09:04,800
signs that you can order and some of
them aren't I don't think they even

1606
02:09:02,719 --> 02:09:06,159
charge for them. So
>> um

1607
02:09:05,599 --> 02:09:10,239
» No,
>> but it's nice and

1608
02:09:08,800 --> 02:09:14,079
» I know where we can put it.
>> Yeah. I don't know if that's something

1609
02:09:11,599 --> 02:09:17,280
we should talk to. Is it Jeff Jeff
Clark?

1610
02:09:15,440 --> 02:09:20,800
» He's the chair of the beach committee.
>> Yeah. Well,

1611
02:09:18,800 --> 02:09:25,840
» he's the one that brought this to me as
an issue and that they wanted to put a

1612
02:09:22,880 --> 02:09:30,000
notice out and I requested the board to
also

1613
02:09:27,599 --> 02:09:33,119
I would definitely talk to him then.
>> Okay.

1614
02:09:32,159 --> 02:09:38,800
» Yeah.
>> And then uh QQLA maybe too let them know

1615
02:09:36,239 --> 02:09:43,040
it's there with him or he can coordinate
that.

1616
02:09:39,440 --> 02:09:47,199
» Okay. I think I I did email him and I
never received an email back. So, I

1617
02:09:45,040 --> 02:09:50,320
don't know if I have the right email,
but

1618
02:09:49,199 --> 02:09:55,880
I'll try again.
>> I have his email. I will forward.

1619
02:09:52,239 --> 02:09:55,880
» Okay. Okay.

1620
02:09:56,320 --> 02:10:03,440
» Right. So, you're going to do the
morning, you're going to do the draft

1621
02:10:00,800 --> 02:10:06,639
for the protocol and then you're going
to do that. It's fine.

1622
02:10:04,639 --> 02:10:12,840
» All right. uh facts and concerns
regarding the seven milei river dumping

1623
02:10:08,639 --> 02:10:12,840
in the Brookfield's ponds and rivers.

1624
02:10:15,599 --> 02:10:24,480
Um, I asked for this last month because
it's been brought up a few times as

1625
02:10:21,440 --> 02:10:28,719
concerns and so I was wondering if there
were any actionable things that we could

1626
02:10:26,719 --> 02:10:31,360
do
to

1627
02:10:30,560 --> 02:10:34,400
Oh,
>> I I I guess I'd have to get up to speed

1628
02:10:33,440 --> 02:10:40,239
on it
>> before I could say anything that's

1629
02:10:37,119 --> 02:10:44,000
actionable. Um Spencer, you know where
their wastewater treatment plant is and

1630
02:10:42,400 --> 02:10:47,520
you see all the construction there for
like two years now. Yep.

1631
02:10:45,760 --> 02:10:52,320
» That's a multi-million dollar project
that's going on because they've had

1632
02:10:49,280 --> 02:10:57,199
documented outdated technology,
unequipped, you know, nutrient removal

1633
02:10:54,639 --> 02:11:00,880
limits and um just a lot of
infrastructure degradation which has

1634
02:10:59,360 --> 02:11:06,000
caused
the so so you know how the wastewater

1635
02:11:03,520 --> 02:11:09,840
treatment plant they they discharge into
the stream and it's supposed to be

1636
02:11:07,760 --> 02:11:14,159
treated water, right? So then it goes
in. But unfortunately with their

1637
02:11:12,000 --> 02:11:17,360
problems and the new requirements that
the state requires, they're just

1638
02:11:15,679 --> 02:11:26,480
outdated and they don't meet the
threshold and some rain high rainy

1639
02:11:21,760 --> 02:11:33,119
times it it's polluting. So they've been
in this position for a long time. Um

1640
02:11:31,360 --> 02:11:39,599
and so they just they've had like
capacity restraints and inflow and

1641
02:11:36,000 --> 02:11:44,400
infiltration problems and
um

1642
02:11:41,520 --> 02:11:48,719
the really big cost, right? So
>> they're work they're they're in this

1643
02:11:46,880 --> 02:11:55,040
multi-million dollar project right now
that's supposed to complete this year.

1644
02:11:51,599 --> 02:12:00,400
» You know how that goes. But um
it's the D that oversees it. There's not

1645
02:11:57,360 --> 02:12:05,199
really nothing we can do. I mean,
>> it comes it gets to us only because

1646
02:12:03,040 --> 02:12:07,840
Cranberry River will get into the Seven
Mile River and then that comes down

1647
02:12:07,040 --> 02:12:11,520
through and into
>> I've heard this for years.

1648
02:12:09,920 --> 02:12:14,320
» Yeah, it's been a problem for years.
>> Yeah.

1649
02:12:12,079 --> 02:12:18,320
» Um,
but it's getting the attention now. I

1650
02:12:16,560 --> 02:12:22,400
mean, sometimes you can go shopping at
Big Y and it sells smells like a sewer

1651
02:12:20,719 --> 02:12:26,239
and then literally you could see it like
running through the parking lot because

1652
02:12:24,079 --> 02:12:32,480
it's so gross.
um the pipes and stuff. It I' I've seen

1653
02:12:29,760 --> 02:12:36,079
that before like last year and that was
probably due to some of the construction

1654
02:12:34,239 --> 02:12:40,800
there, but it's a big construction site
there. That's what they're doing.

1655
02:12:37,440 --> 02:12:46,000
They're fixing the pipes and they have D
oversight for it.

1656
02:12:42,480 --> 02:12:51,679
» Oh, the D. We don't oversee any We don't
oversee like wagon wheels

1657
02:12:48,800 --> 02:12:57,760
» facility. That system is so big that
it's overseen by the D. So we don't have

1658
02:12:54,320 --> 02:13:01,199
anything to do with it. Okay. Um
>> it's really an out of town thing that's

1659
02:12:59,520 --> 02:13:03,679
affecting in town.
>> It's something. Yeah. I mean we talked

1660
02:13:03,360 --> 02:13:06,800
about
>> a letter but that's about

1661
02:13:04,880 --> 02:13:10,800
» we talk about all the causes of like
things. I mean that's one of the things

1662
02:13:08,480 --> 02:13:15,040
that's going to cause like potential
algae bloom. But it's not the only

1663
02:13:12,639 --> 02:13:19,920
thing. But it's it's it's in the it's in
the mix and it's

1664
02:13:17,280 --> 02:13:23,599
» it's be aware of. I mean, we've had
people who've had bad septic systems and

1665
02:13:22,400 --> 02:13:25,920
stuff, you know, it's just hard to
pinpoint sometimes.

1666
02:13:25,040 --> 02:13:28,320
» There's a lot of houses there and
there's a lot of flooding there

1667
02:13:26,960 --> 02:13:33,199
sometimes. [clears throat]
>> Um, so I mean, it's

1668
02:13:30,400 --> 02:13:39,360
» not really an actionable item. It's it's
good to to learn and and understand what

1669
02:13:35,599 --> 02:13:45,119
what's going on and uh be able to speak
to it when you know c you know residents

1670
02:13:42,800 --> 02:13:48,079
and stuff you know some you know and you
can kind of talk to them and

1671
02:13:46,719 --> 02:13:53,040
» if you have questions or you think
there's something going on you know call

1672
02:13:49,920 --> 02:13:56,159
the Spencer sewer you know department
and ask them if there's a you know

1673
02:13:54,960 --> 02:13:59,920
something going on you know and just
have that relationship.

1674
02:13:57,440 --> 02:14:05,239
» Okay.
Next, uh, beaver beaver permits

1675
02:14:02,239 --> 02:14:05,239
protocol.

1676
02:14:07,360 --> 02:14:11,840
» That was on the last agenda.
>> Um, I didn't do anything with it.

1677
02:14:11,280 --> 02:14:14,639
» Okay.
>> Um,

1678
02:14:12,480 --> 02:14:17,920
» you want to move that to the next one?
Next.

1679
02:14:15,360 --> 02:14:21,920
» I don't have any information on it. I
don't know where I would get it other

1680
02:14:20,159 --> 02:14:27,360
than I get it to you.
>> I think I think if you go online like I

1681
02:14:24,560 --> 02:14:30,400
it I think you the application's there.
>> Yes. But it I don't know if

1682
02:14:28,639 --> 02:14:36,480
» I don't know if it gives you an actual
like step by step on

1683
02:14:31,920 --> 02:14:42,000
» I I I it's in the regs and I don't know
if they

1684
02:14:39,599 --> 02:14:48,800
» like even Mike was looking for the most
updated version of the

1685
02:14:45,840 --> 02:14:52,000
» what it last when I was the acting
chair. So,

1686
02:14:50,639 --> 02:14:57,520
» it's a difficult situation because
they're putting us in the position to

1687
02:14:54,079 --> 02:15:02,639
make the judgment if it's a nuisance or
if it's a emergency hazard because we're

1688
02:15:00,480 --> 02:15:09,520
only technically from my understanding
the way I read it, we're only supposed

1689
02:15:04,320 --> 02:15:14,560
to allow the permits if it's if it's a
an emergency that could harm people,

1690
02:15:11,440 --> 02:15:17,280
right? Not just a nuisance.
I don't know if that's moren what you

1691
02:15:16,000 --> 02:15:20,560
get from from reading it.
>> It's a public health threat.

1692
02:15:20,880 --> 02:15:26,480
not not just a nuisance. It's
>> Yeah, exactly. That's what I'm saying is

1693
02:15:24,480 --> 02:15:28,880
that when it's just a nuisance, it's not
something that we

1694
02:15:27,199 --> 02:15:32,320
» Well, there's there's certain things. I
mean, they the bar is pretty low.

1695
02:15:31,520 --> 02:15:36,679
» Okay.
>> Right. I mean, they're not gonna

1696
02:15:36,960 --> 02:15:46,520
Sorry, I don't think I have um I thought
I had sent it maybe a email, but it

1697
02:15:42,800 --> 02:15:46,520
Yeah, I mean,

1698
02:15:47,360 --> 02:15:54,159
» we have to declare the threat and we
have problem properties in town that

1699
02:15:52,159 --> 02:15:57,199
deal with this all the time and time is
of the essence and

1700
02:15:55,599 --> 02:16:01,520
» and Lester doesn't take
>> do not worry about issuing an emergency

1701
02:15:59,280 --> 02:16:04,320
beaver permit when Mr. Howard Wickham
calls you, you know, like please just

1702
02:16:03,920 --> 02:16:10,000
» Yeah.
>> do it, you know, because it's it could

1703
02:16:07,440 --> 02:16:14,560
affect him, you know. And then there's a
couple of the flooding areas because we

1704
02:16:12,079 --> 02:16:19,520
get the damn. I mean, if you know where
Tantasco is and the football field and

1705
02:16:17,040 --> 02:16:24,880
the portion that's in our town, you
know, that that is one of the problem

1706
02:16:21,679 --> 02:16:29,280
areas and we've had I mean, they've done
some work to try to alleviate some of

1707
02:16:27,199 --> 02:16:34,000
the issues down
at the end of towards West Brookfield,

1708
02:16:32,399 --> 02:16:38,559
but sometimes you get it all the way on
the other end of towards East

1709
02:16:36,240 --> 02:16:41,359
Brookfield. There's a family
>> all over

1710
02:16:39,359 --> 02:16:46,160
» that gets flooded out a lot and then the
train come, you know, then there's like

1711
02:16:43,040 --> 02:16:49,679
issues around dealing with the CSX
people and the flooding that because it

1712
02:16:47,599 --> 02:16:53,120
the railroad just goes right through.
>> Yeah.

1713
02:16:50,000 --> 02:16:58,559
» So much of it. Um
you should definitely draft a protocol.

1714
02:16:56,559 --> 02:17:02,880
» Are there other areas that you
>> You can take it right off the rag.

1715
02:17:00,000 --> 02:17:07,840
» Are are typical?
You said field side

1716
02:17:04,639 --> 02:17:14,080
» schoolhouse crossroad maybe.
>> Yes. Schoolhouse cross.

1717
02:17:11,439 --> 02:17:16,639
» Just look back on the issued.
>> The highway department devil's elbow.

1718
02:17:16,240 --> 02:17:21,599
» Yeah.
>> Like there's a lot of areas in town that

1719
02:17:18,639 --> 02:17:30,000
get get these. The highway department's
very um I I want to I don't know how to

1720
02:17:28,080 --> 02:17:35,200
address if it's the next board meeting
or I talked to Lori, but for some reason

1721
02:17:32,559 --> 02:17:41,760
an invoice for a highway department got
paid to our account.

1722
02:17:37,679 --> 02:17:46,880
» So regarding viewers and so I didn't
understand that. So um we'll have to

1723
02:17:44,719 --> 02:17:52,880
address that because you can't just pay
things to different counts. It there's

1724
02:17:49,200 --> 02:17:57,280
rules. So, I did make Lori aware of it.
So, hopefully they can kind of correct

1725
02:17:54,559 --> 02:18:00,280
it, but
Okay.

1726
02:18:00,880 --> 02:18:08,000
» Any more with the beaver permits?
>> Um, well, to make make a protocol.

1727
02:18:07,439 --> 02:18:12,399
» So,
>> so more information. So, there's a rag

1728
02:18:10,880 --> 02:18:14,960
» and if you just take it from that, that
would probably be

1729
02:18:13,519 --> 02:18:17,760
» the way to make the protocol is follow
what the rag says.

1730
02:18:16,080 --> 02:18:21,920
» Yeah. And if you look at our
application, it kind of

1731
02:18:19,920 --> 02:18:25,280
» it's got like dealing with beaver. It
kind of goes through a lot of it. Um,

1732
02:18:23,599 --> 02:18:31,040
but
>> you want the process, right? You want to

1733
02:18:28,000 --> 02:18:34,040
be able to say like you're going to copy
>> concom

1734
02:18:34,399 --> 02:18:40,960
and and letting them know that it was
issued. A lot of the times the permits

1735
02:18:38,800 --> 02:18:45,679
are only going to be for trapping, but
we don't know that all the time. So they

1736
02:18:43,200 --> 02:18:49,599
if they're looking to breach or
something like that, then they got to go

1737
02:18:46,880 --> 02:18:54,719
to Concom and
um get that and and the key is just to

1738
02:18:52,160 --> 02:19:00,280
kind of get it all coordinated quickly.
>> Okay.

1739
02:18:56,000 --> 02:19:00,280
» It's like you're on call for that.

1740
02:19:00,399 --> 02:19:06,960
» Okay.
>> Just like it's not something you got to

1741
02:19:03,359 --> 02:19:12,319
get hours make a difference because
letting it just starts to you know like

1742
02:19:09,519 --> 02:19:18,719
I
Howard's house like I think I've seen

1743
02:19:14,479 --> 02:19:23,439
him running for some pumps at a time.
>> Wow. To try to deal with

1744
02:19:20,559 --> 02:19:30,639
» Well, he's got an old house. It's down
right and he's lost a lot of land

1745
02:19:26,639 --> 02:19:34,639
» because when a beaver is like loses its
mate, you know, it'll like start just

1746
02:19:32,399 --> 02:19:39,920
tunneling into the sides. Instead of
doing like the nest, whatever they make,

1747
02:19:37,920 --> 02:19:41,920
» it tunnels in and then it caves in. it
down, loses the land, becomes more

1748
02:19:41,359 --> 02:19:44,960
swamp.
>> He's actually lost. Yeah, he's lost a

1749
02:19:44,240 --> 02:19:48,960
lot of his
>> Wow.

1750
02:19:46,960 --> 02:19:51,120
» Okay. Yeah. So, this
>> that'll be an action item for you.

1751
02:19:50,720 --> 02:19:54,319
» Yeah.
>> Okay.

1752
02:19:51,439 --> 02:19:58,439
» And in the I wish I could remember, but
it's in the it's like section

1753
02:19:58,479 --> 02:20:08,399
like I'm trying to think of what the
number for the CMR is. Um, but it's like

1754
02:20:03,680 --> 02:20:14,240
2.08 in a way that talks about
like the reasons and and and you know it

1755
02:20:11,600 --> 02:20:19,359
it it's under basically like the fur
trapping law, right? So it kind of gives

1756
02:20:17,120 --> 02:20:23,680
all the authority, you know, in the in
the process. You'd find it kind of in

1757
02:20:21,920 --> 02:20:28,080
the hunting
in the hunting, you know, trapping kind

1758
02:20:25,680 --> 02:20:31,680
of regulations. So it's not it's not
going to jump out at you otherwise, but

1759
02:20:30,000 --> 02:20:35,680
you you'd find it there.
>> Okay. Okay. And then they kind of talks

1760
02:20:34,000 --> 02:20:38,880
about the law of like if you want to get
a permit to trap, you know, this is what

1761
02:20:37,600 --> 02:20:43,359
you can do. And then it's certain types
of traps are prohibited, but order of

1762
02:20:41,520 --> 02:20:46,080
health can, you know, allow for certain,
you know, so just kind of you got to

1763
02:20:44,720 --> 02:20:48,560
read through it.
>> Okay.

1764
02:20:47,200 --> 02:20:51,680
» But it's all right there.
>> Okay.

1765
02:20:50,399 --> 02:20:59,200
Thank you.
>> All right. South Palm Beach updates. Uh

1766
02:20:54,240 --> 02:21:06,640
that I put that in. Uh beach permit
was given. um approved, I should say.

1767
02:21:03,760 --> 02:21:11,760
Um we did have a little incident last
week. I don't know if you saw the email

1768
02:21:08,000 --> 02:21:14,160
I had sent you to to inquire. Somebody
>> had an idea what it was about.

1769
02:21:12,960 --> 02:21:19,760
» Yeah. Somebody thought they were funny
and found uh no swimming due to uh her

1770
02:21:17,840 --> 02:21:23,840
board of health a metal sign and put it
up right at the beach.

1771
02:21:22,160 --> 02:21:28,160
» Well, there is a metal sign that's for
offse.

1772
02:21:25,680 --> 02:21:31,760
It's usually attached to the big tree.
>> This wasn't attached to a big tree. It

1773
02:21:29,439 --> 02:21:36,000
was attached to three legs. Uh it was a
wooden thing. Somebody dropped it off

1774
02:21:33,920 --> 02:21:41,040
there and I got a call from Jeff Clark
asking why the beach was closed. So I

1775
02:21:39,439 --> 02:21:45,439
went back through all the numbers to see
>> Highway maintains that sign.

1776
02:21:42,880 --> 02:21:50,080
» I asked them it wasn't them.
>> You know, as our sign went missing like

1777
02:21:47,280 --> 02:21:53,359
a year ago and Highwayed a new one. I
wonder the old one.

1778
02:21:51,359 --> 02:21:56,080
» This is the old one because it was all
beat up and covered in dirt.

1779
02:21:55,200 --> 02:21:58,080
» That's weird.
>> Yeah. So somebody thought they were

1780
02:21:57,760 --> 02:22:00,080
funny.
>> That was a Yeah. That's what they were

1781
02:21:59,680 --> 02:22:02,720
doing.
>> And they put it up there. So that's why

1782
02:22:01,600 --> 02:22:04,160
I had reached out.
>> Yeah.

1783
02:22:03,040 --> 02:22:07,040
» To find out if any
>> get it back.

1784
02:22:04,880 --> 02:22:10,000
» I I took it and I have it.
>> That sign goes up when we have to close

1785
02:22:08,479 --> 02:22:13,280
the beach for E. coli.
>> Okay.

1786
02:22:10,399 --> 02:22:17,280
» And then it also goes up after Labor
Day.

1787
02:22:13,680 --> 02:22:20,240
» Right. So um yeah. So I have it at the
moment. I I don't know. I'll talk to

1788
02:22:18,960 --> 02:22:25,920
maybe drop.
>> Yeah. Drop it down in the highway barn.

1789
02:22:22,240 --> 02:22:32,640
» But yeah. Um,
and the testing,

1790
02:22:29,359 --> 02:22:38,800
the E.coli testing, I just noticed today
the most recent one came in. It's still,

1791
02:22:34,640 --> 02:22:43,520
I mean, 235 is our limit.
Um, per 100 milliliters. Right now, it's

1792
02:22:41,760 --> 02:22:46,800
at 26.9.
It's the highest it's been. It's just

1793
02:22:45,120 --> 02:22:50,319
slowly
>> it's nothing really can be concerned

1794
02:22:48,399 --> 02:22:52,000
with at the time, but just wanted to
mention that it's

1795
02:22:51,040 --> 02:22:58,160
» it's way under the
>> Yeah, it's way under the the limit. So,

1796
02:22:55,680 --> 02:23:03,200
» um
now that they have the the the portal,

1797
02:23:00,240 --> 02:23:07,120
it's easy if you're entering it weekly.
Um it'll calculate the geometric mean

1798
02:23:06,240 --> 02:23:09,439
for you.
>> Okay.

1799
02:23:07,760 --> 02:23:12,240
» So, you don't have to do that anymore by
hand.

1800
02:23:10,720 --> 02:23:15,439
Um,
but that's that's kind of like the

1801
02:23:14,000 --> 02:23:18,479
second part of
>> not aware of that at all. So, that's

1802
02:23:17,120 --> 02:23:20,720
good to know. So, yes,
>> I've been I've been looking at them.

1803
02:23:19,680 --> 02:23:22,080
Just thought that we needed to do it.
So, we need to

1804
02:23:21,359 --> 02:23:25,280
» So, so
>> upload the testing.

1805
02:23:23,840 --> 02:23:28,000
» It's a lot of reading and it's going to
take

1806
02:23:26,240 --> 02:23:34,479
» It's fine. I learn things new every
week. No, right. So, like just

1807
02:23:31,200 --> 02:23:38,479
» if you can look up it's on mass.gov and
you just do beaches like freshwater

1808
02:23:37,359 --> 02:23:43,040
beach,
>> you know? Then the DE D will have all

1809
02:23:41,200 --> 02:23:46,880
the rules on that and
>> it'll it'll tell you it's very clear

1810
02:23:45,280 --> 02:23:51,920
because it's written for like the
consumer to kind of read too. So I mean

1811
02:23:48,960 --> 02:23:56,479
but you can just read it and then know
>> you know what meets that threshold. The

1812
02:23:54,399 --> 02:24:00,640
lab's going to tell you if you if it if
it goes over the limit you're getting

1813
02:23:58,399 --> 02:24:03,359
phone called you're getting a phone call
way before the report is even out. They

1814
02:24:03,040 --> 02:24:05,200
they
>> Yeah. They're going to tell you

1815
02:24:04,000 --> 02:24:10,560
immediately so you can shut it down so
that you can Yeah. to do that. And I,

1816
02:24:07,359 --> 02:24:14,880
you know, I I would just take this this
like a a sign and so you can find that

1817
02:24:12,960 --> 02:24:17,200
on the website too and download it and
there's like Spanish and different

1818
02:24:16,240 --> 02:24:22,640
things and
>> you just um fill it out. I would always

1819
02:24:19,439 --> 02:24:27,840
laminate it and then post it, you know,
at at each entrance, you know, just so

1820
02:24:25,680 --> 02:24:29,520
it can be read um by people
>> saying that there's no swimming or that

1821
02:24:29,200 --> 02:24:32,960
it's
>> Yeah, it's basically that it's it's

1822
02:24:30,960 --> 02:24:37,920
basically signs that it's harmful to
swim and no swimming and um

1823
02:24:36,160 --> 02:24:40,080
» and we have no purview on like fishing
or boating or any of that. Correct. It's

1824
02:24:39,680 --> 02:24:43,439
just
>> the algae is we

1825
02:24:41,200 --> 02:24:45,600
» the algae we can but with the ecoli we
don't. Right.

1826
02:24:44,319 --> 02:24:49,439
» Is that am I correct in that
understanding?

1827
02:24:46,160 --> 02:24:52,160
» Um there's no swimming. Yeah. [laughter]
>> Hopefully people see that and don't

1828
02:24:50,960 --> 02:24:54,720
Yeah.
>> I mean, there's people living on the

1829
02:24:53,600 --> 02:24:58,960
lake that are going to
>> Yep.

1830
02:24:55,920 --> 02:25:02,399
» do their own thing. And and to be real
honest, I mean, you could go on the

1831
02:25:01,040 --> 02:25:05,920
other side of that lake and it's not
going to be a problem, right?

1832
02:25:04,160 --> 02:25:10,240
» It's going to be just in the immediate
area. So, you're only worried about the

1833
02:25:07,439 --> 02:25:15,760
beach, the area that
>> is roped off for

1834
02:25:14,399 --> 02:25:21,040
for the swimming.
>> All right.

1835
02:25:16,880 --> 02:25:25,280
um stipen update. Anybody on that?
>> I think it had come up a few months ago,

1836
02:25:23,280 --> 02:25:29,280
but then a check arrived like the next
day, so I didn't

1837
02:25:27,040 --> 02:25:31,280
» I just It was kind of like a
>> I didn't I don't I didn't even know

1838
02:25:30,960 --> 02:25:34,720
about this.
>> Somebody had said they didn't get a

1839
02:25:32,319 --> 02:25:38,720
stipen check in a while and I I was like
I don't know if I did either, but then

1840
02:25:36,640 --> 02:25:46,240
then it arrived. So,
>> I think that it was more to um Steve

1841
02:25:42,240 --> 02:25:50,479
Novak was sending a few correspondents
about his stipen, but I think it's all

1842
02:25:49,040 --> 02:25:53,760
set now.
>> Yeah. Okay.

1843
02:25:51,359 --> 02:25:59,439
» It Yeah, it was his stipen and then and
then we had we were like, wait, I don't

1844
02:25:56,960 --> 02:26:02,399
think we've seen any. But I I think it's
ironed itself out.

1845
02:26:00,960 --> 02:26:05,439
» I don't know. I I didn't even know we
got them.

1846
02:26:02,880 --> 02:26:08,880
» Well, it should be zero [laughter] now.
the budget should be zero because it's

1847
02:26:07,120 --> 02:26:15,040
the end of the fiscal year. So if it's
not somebody didn't get a stipend um you

1848
02:26:12,880 --> 02:26:19,520
know and then an encumbrance get it done
so you don't have to do a a warrant

1849
02:26:17,840 --> 02:26:23,520
article
to get a stipen probably me because I

1850
02:26:22,160 --> 02:26:27,920
haven't filled out any paperwork because
I I didn't even know I got stipens. So

1851
02:26:26,399 --> 02:26:30,720
» if it is I'll just let the money stay
with where it needs to be. I don't

1852
02:26:29,520 --> 02:26:32,960
» it's you won't get it.
>> Yeah. I'm not worried about getting it

1853
02:26:32,080 --> 02:26:35,600
honestly.
>> It's fine. Yeah. It's just a

1854
02:26:35,120 --> 02:26:42,160
» Mhm.
>> But I do need to go fill out that. Okay.

1855
02:26:38,399 --> 02:26:46,319
» Yeah, you do. Yep. Go see Mike.
>> I will do that. All right. Public

1856
02:26:44,399 --> 02:26:49,200
comment unless anybody else has any
discussion. Anything?

1857
02:26:47,520 --> 02:26:53,439
» No.
>> Uh now open the floor for public comment

1858
02:26:50,960 --> 02:26:58,240
on matters not reasonably in anticipated
by the chair within 48 hours of meeting

1859
02:26:56,000 --> 02:27:02,880
posting. Comments are limited to two
minutes per speaker. The board will not

1860
02:27:00,800 --> 02:27:06,479
engage in substantive discussion on
matters not listed on the agenda in

1861
02:27:04,880 --> 02:27:12,000
accordance with the Massachusetts open
meeting.

1862
02:27:08,399 --> 02:27:16,640
» Anybody want to speak?
>> Just the whole craft first.

1863
02:27:14,000 --> 02:27:19,840
» As far as this minutes that you you took
off the um internet, I don't you should

1864
02:27:19,040 --> 02:27:26,080
have done that.
>> You have no verification for status.

1865
02:27:22,399 --> 02:27:31,280
» Um back in 8:30 24 the minutes were
amended. So the minutes described the

1866
02:27:29,040 --> 02:27:35,600
minutes described that conversation back
then. I mean you're taking a guy's word.

1867
02:27:33,680 --> 02:27:38,240
You haven't checked anything from the A.
See if the AG actually

1868
02:27:36,960 --> 02:27:41,439
» Actually I do have the letter from the
AG.

1869
02:27:38,800 --> 02:27:44,960
» Okay. Should get everything verified
before you take something down. You

1870
02:27:42,960 --> 02:27:48,560
can't screw around the minutes. Minutes
are very serious. So you should

1871
02:27:46,720 --> 02:27:51,520
» 100% agree with you, sir.
>> Well, you took them down.

1872
02:27:49,760 --> 02:27:53,920
» But the minutes are still in record with
the board of health. They just

1873
02:27:53,120 --> 02:27:58,000
» you shouldn't.
>> They don't they don't have to be

1874
02:27:55,359 --> 02:28:02,720
published. So, it's taking it down just
to correct it. While if you still wanted

1875
02:27:59,760 --> 02:28:04,880
to access it, you could go to the town
and get them.

1876
02:28:03,359 --> 02:28:06,720
» All right. Just let me hear me out cuz
I'm running you running my two minutes

1877
02:28:06,319 --> 02:28:09,840
down.
>> No, I apologize. I won't I will give you

1878
02:28:08,560 --> 02:28:11,280
the minutes back.
>> Thank you, Jake.

1879
02:28:10,800 --> 02:28:15,600
» Yeah,
>> the minutes were

1880
02:28:13,760 --> 02:28:17,280
not republished. They weren't back
there. You should check to see what they

1881
02:28:16,960 --> 02:28:20,640
were.
>> They were I did see that when I got the

1882
02:28:19,120 --> 02:28:22,800
when I got the thing. I checked to see
if there were two sets of minutes up and

1883
02:28:22,240 --> 02:28:30,880
there were.
>> Yeah. Um other thing here, uh you guys

1884
02:28:28,640 --> 02:28:35,439
trying to limit the computer to to one
member or two members of the click. All

1885
02:28:33,280 --> 02:28:40,160
three of you guys are elected. So you
should all you guys should be able to go

1886
02:28:37,760 --> 02:28:44,479
to that computer at any given time to to
take care business for the residents.

1887
02:28:43,040 --> 02:28:48,800
You know, calling you up to get
permission to use a town computer. You

1888
02:28:46,560 --> 02:28:53,520
guys are all elected officials for the
town and if some money needs to go to

1889
02:28:50,880 --> 02:28:56,399
that computer at any given time should
be able to do that

1890
02:28:54,800 --> 02:29:00,720
» and it may end up being that way.
>> Well, that's it doesn't sound like that

1891
02:28:57,920 --> 02:29:04,319
tonight with me, you know. I mean, uh,
you guys are guys we elected you guys to

1892
02:29:03,280 --> 02:29:08,080
do that.
>> So, I mean, why you there's something

1893
02:29:06,000 --> 02:29:13,439
internally going on here. I don't know
what it is, but that's what something

1894
02:29:09,600 --> 02:29:17,600
definitely internally is going on. Um,
number two, how another thing. How come

1895
02:29:15,280 --> 02:29:21,840
we don't have a um you don't have a the
clerk health board clerk here?

1896
02:29:19,760 --> 02:29:26,240
» It's a personal personal matter that I
can't really get into.

1897
02:29:23,920 --> 02:29:29,359
» Well, isn't that one of her duties?
We're talking about duties. Is that one

1898
02:29:27,760 --> 02:29:33,040
of her duties?
>> I'm not familiar with that.

1899
02:29:31,920 --> 02:29:34,960
» That's that's kind of what we're trying
to figure out. That's why we're working

1900
02:29:34,240 --> 02:29:38,960
through the
>> the job description.

1901
02:29:36,720 --> 02:29:42,080
» Okay. And I asked asked you last meeting
about have you checked who's got permits

1902
02:29:41,280 --> 02:29:45,040
and who's quality?
>> And I reached out to you and you never

1903
02:29:43,439 --> 02:29:48,640
reached back out to me. I did not
because I asked you in a public forum

1904
02:29:46,800 --> 02:29:51,439
and I want a public answer.
>> Okay.

1905
02:29:49,600 --> 02:29:55,200
» So, who's got permits? Are you following
them? Following people who do not have

1906
02:29:53,280 --> 02:29:58,080
permits or doing things in the food
industry that should should not be doing

1907
02:29:57,439 --> 02:30:01,600
it.
>> So, if you would like to be on the

1908
02:29:59,520 --> 02:30:04,000
agenda for the next meeting, I I'll put
you on the agenda for the next meeting.

1909
02:30:02,800 --> 02:30:05,680
That way, we can address it that way.
I'm not supposed to get into

1910
02:30:05,040 --> 02:30:07,920
substantive.
>> No, no, I'm just

1911
02:30:06,800 --> 02:30:12,000
» But no, I'll gladly do that.
>> I ask you to give me answers. I'm just

1912
02:30:10,000 --> 02:30:15,280
» I understand and I'm just explaining to
you as a resident. I just reached out to

1913
02:30:13,439 --> 02:30:16,479
you to I had the information to give
you.

1914
02:30:15,920 --> 02:30:20,000
» Mhm.
>> Um you didn't reach back so I didn't I

1915
02:30:18,640 --> 02:30:23,120
didn't know you could have told me.
>> I got your message

1916
02:30:21,280 --> 02:30:25,840
» and I appreciate that.
>> Yep. No. and

1917
02:30:24,479 --> 02:30:28,960
» and I will put you on the meeting for
the next one and I will give you the

1918
02:30:27,280 --> 02:30:31,520
answers to the question you had at that
time

1919
02:30:29,280 --> 02:30:36,880
» because I want to you know
>> so I'm kind of very concerned about you

1920
02:30:34,560 --> 02:30:39,680
know about this this computer business
you know

1921
02:30:38,080 --> 02:30:42,640
» without getting into great detail
because I can't get in I'm not supposed

1922
02:30:40,960 --> 02:30:45,520
to get into substantive discussion
>> I'm just saying

1923
02:30:43,280 --> 02:30:51,040
» there were concerns raised and I'm
trying to do my best to protect the the

1924
02:30:48,000 --> 02:30:54,319
town and its information. I'm not making
anything permanent at this time.

1925
02:30:52,399 --> 02:30:56,960
» Okay. Um, you can you can see who logs
in and who logs out and what they're

1926
02:30:55,760 --> 02:30:59,120
doing on the computer. You know,
>> I don't have that access to see that at

1927
02:30:58,560 --> 02:31:03,680
the moment.
>> J can find that out. Two seconds.

1928
02:31:01,760 --> 02:31:06,479
» If there's a serious problem with that
healthboard computer, you can find out

1929
02:31:06,000 --> 02:31:09,520
who's
>> and it was addressed and this is how we

1930
02:31:08,000 --> 02:31:14,000
were instructed to handle it,
>> right? So, I mean, there's something

1931
02:31:11,600 --> 02:31:17,439
going on a little more than you guys are
kind of talking in code tonight, you

1932
02:31:15,600 --> 02:31:21,040
know, and I'm I know what's going on,
but I'm not going to get into it either.

1933
02:31:18,880 --> 02:31:24,640
But I think you know three of you guys
are all elected. Three of you guys

1934
02:31:22,880 --> 02:31:28,080
should have access to that computer.
>> All three of us don't. It's it's just as

1935
02:31:26,960 --> 02:31:30,800
fair by doing it that way.
>> Problem in the town before. Why is there

1936
02:31:29,439 --> 02:31:35,520
a problem now?
>> I explained that to you already.

1937
02:31:32,800 --> 02:31:39,120
» It's not a good enough explanation.
>> I'm sorry that it's not good enough for

1938
02:31:36,960 --> 02:31:41,840
you at this time. When I do have more
information, I can share it. I gladly

1939
02:31:41,120 --> 02:31:45,760
will.
>> So the way you left it now is that click

1940
02:31:43,840 --> 02:31:48,479
is the only one on that is able to to
access anything

1941
02:31:46,640 --> 02:31:51,359
» to access the computer. Yes. And if
anybody has any requests or needs

1942
02:31:49,840 --> 02:31:56,160
anything, they'll get it. They'll get
it. They just can't log into it.

1943
02:31:54,399 --> 02:31:58,640
» Yeah, it's just okay. I think that's
wrong, but it's still okay. All right. I

1944
02:31:58,080 --> 02:32:01,280
said my
>> I mean, all right. Thank you. Thank you

1945
02:32:00,080 --> 02:32:04,479
for sharing. And
>> something seriously wrong, you know,

1946
02:32:03,200 --> 02:32:07,680
when you guys are supposed to be working
as a board and if someone needs to one

1947
02:32:06,160 --> 02:32:11,600
of you needs to get on that computer,
you should be able to go and and look up

1948
02:32:10,160 --> 02:32:15,040
something to get back to somebody else
in the town. They shouldn't have to say,

1949
02:32:12,960 --> 02:32:19,920
"Hey, hey, I got to use a computer." You
know, it's ridiculous. And I understand

1950
02:32:17,920 --> 02:32:22,560
that that's your opinion and respect
that.

1951
02:32:20,240 --> 02:32:26,160
» It's a it's a situation that shouldn't
be should not be addressed the way

1952
02:32:24,399 --> 02:32:28,399
you're addressing it.
>> Well, sir, it's the way I'm addressing

1953
02:32:28,080 --> 02:32:29,760
it.
>> Okay. All right. Thank you for hearing

1954
02:32:29,439 --> 02:32:33,600
me.
>> I absolutely. And I just want to confirm

1955
02:32:31,520 --> 02:32:36,000
you do want to be on the agenda first
>> so that way you can get that. I'll make

1956
02:32:35,200 --> 02:32:39,760
sure that that happens.
>> Thank you.

1957
02:32:36,640 --> 02:32:40,720
» You're very welcome. Anyone else?
>> No.

1958
02:32:40,240 --> 02:32:44,640
» Yes.
>> Oh, yes.

1959
02:32:43,280 --> 02:32:48,000
» Go first. I thought I was deleting.
>> He he did.

1960
02:32:45,520 --> 02:32:51,040
» I apologize. Chris was waiting and then
I will go to you. My apologies for that.

1961
02:32:50,640 --> 02:32:54,160
» No.
>> Yes, sir.

1962
02:32:52,399 --> 02:32:58,240
» All right. So, um first I want to thank
the board for taking up my uh the item

1963
02:32:56,240 --> 02:33:02,000
that I that I asked my grievance. I I
appreciate that. Um

1964
02:33:00,800 --> 02:33:04,880
you guys were talking about your meeting
minutes and how the uh the public

1965
02:33:03,439 --> 02:33:08,720
comments and it reminded me that the
planning board was facing this um very

1966
02:33:06,880 --> 02:33:12,880
same issue and the attorney general came
out with a determination at the end of

1967
02:33:10,080 --> 02:33:18,960
December, excuse me, middle of December
um open meeting law 2025-209

1968
02:33:16,640 --> 02:33:23,280
and they explicitly stated that a public
body is not required to capture every

1969
02:33:20,960 --> 02:33:27,040
comment made um to comply with action
requirements of the over me law. Um, I

1970
02:33:26,319 --> 02:33:30,800
don't know how your meeting minutes
minister drafted tonight that was in

1971
02:33:28,479 --> 02:33:34,479
question, but you guys can always reach
out to the attorney general and say,

1972
02:33:31,920 --> 02:33:37,920
"Hey, is this a violation?" That way
that you're not trying to like chase

1973
02:33:35,680 --> 02:33:41,920
down old determinations or, you know,
try to interpret the law yourself. But

1974
02:33:39,920 --> 02:33:46,800
as I read the the most recent
determination from the attorney general

1975
02:33:43,840 --> 02:33:52,080
to the planning board, um, that was the
exact complaint that the public comments

1976
02:33:49,120 --> 02:33:55,920
weren't um, uh, adequately described.
attorney general looked at it and said,

1977
02:33:53,439 --> 02:34:02,560
"Nope, it's not a violation of the law."
Um, so there's there's that. Um, I was

1978
02:34:00,319 --> 02:34:05,760
on the board of health and as Moren was
saying that there was an issue with the

1979
02:34:03,920 --> 02:34:09,359
computer, there was. We didn't have a
clerk at the time and the previous town

1980
02:34:07,600 --> 02:34:12,880
administrator, Kelly Robbins, who was a
municipal attorney, said, "Since you

1981
02:34:11,120 --> 02:34:16,399
guys don't have a clerk, all three of
you need to have access to that

1982
02:34:14,160 --> 02:34:20,479
computer." But soon as we got a clerk,
we shouldn't have access to the

1983
02:34:17,600 --> 02:34:24,880
computer. And if you look at any other
board, like you say the select board,

1984
02:34:22,560 --> 02:34:27,840
you don't see Richard Chaffy say,
"Karen, get out of the way. I want to

1985
02:34:26,319 --> 02:34:31,359
see what's on the computer. That's
Karen's computer." You know, that's that

1986
02:34:30,000 --> 02:34:34,560
that that's her computer. That's that's
so she can do her job. I think you guys

1987
02:34:33,200 --> 02:34:39,120
are going down the right track and you
can make any policy you want for your

1988
02:34:36,080 --> 02:34:42,479
board. Um and you have a clerk. If you
didn't have a clerk, I think it would be

1989
02:34:40,319 --> 02:34:45,200
a different issue. But again, I just
want to repeat it because it's worth

1990
02:34:43,760 --> 02:34:51,240
repeating. I'm very grateful you took up
my grievance tonight. And um thank you.

1991
02:34:47,520 --> 02:34:51,240
I appreciate it. Thanks.

1992
02:34:51,680 --> 02:34:56,160
» Yes, your turn.
>> Set of questions that you can or can't

1993
02:34:55,520 --> 02:34:59,520
answer.
>> Okay.

1994
02:34:57,280 --> 02:35:03,760
» Um, the first thing I have to say was,
have you guys been running a clerk

1995
02:35:02,160 --> 02:35:07,439
without a job description this whole
time?

1996
02:35:05,200 --> 02:35:11,840
» I'm uncertain, still investigating that.
>> And then another comment I had is about

1997
02:35:10,319 --> 02:35:17,040
the policy that you're thinking of
making. I think it's always a good idea

1998
02:35:14,240 --> 02:35:19,439
to just put it through counsel just for
the heck of it because there's always

1999
02:35:18,479 --> 02:35:22,640
loopholes. Yep.
>> And there's always different ways it can

2000
02:35:20,880 --> 02:35:29,439
be interpreted and having a professional
look at it can set better than stone.

2001
02:35:25,280 --> 02:35:33,280
Like it not not not a problem. Um and a
second thing I have to say is about the

2002
02:35:31,920 --> 02:35:38,319
computer, but I got an answer on that
already. Um and then another question I

2003
02:35:35,439 --> 02:35:42,240
had is Moren brought up an emergency
situation quote. I'm wondering if that's

2004
02:35:40,319 --> 02:35:45,600
public record or not. if I could make a
request on that or not. I'd like to know

2005
02:35:43,920 --> 02:35:52,720
what it is. If it's not public record,
that's also fine.

2006
02:35:48,560 --> 02:35:59,840
Um, had a question of what
covers region two and the public

2007
02:35:57,040 --> 02:36:03,920
health emergency planning.
Curious where that covers.

2008
02:36:01,359 --> 02:36:07,120
» All right. So, to the public record,
>> I'm not familiar with the legalities of

2009
02:36:05,520 --> 02:36:11,520
if that is or that isn't because she
handed us the email during the meeting.

2010
02:36:09,439 --> 02:36:14,720
I can find out and then I will get it to
you if it is public record.

2011
02:36:13,040 --> 02:36:17,359
» What I'll do is I'll send an email to
the Do you have a board of health email?

2012
02:36:16,960 --> 02:36:19,840
» Yes.
>> What I'll do is I'll send an email

2013
02:36:18,640 --> 02:36:21,439
requesting it formally.
>> Okay.

2014
02:36:20,160 --> 02:36:24,560
» When you can get it to me.
>> Yep. I'll get it to you as soon as I

2015
02:36:22,800 --> 02:36:28,240
can. I just want to make sure it's it's
>> that way you'll have my email on record.

2016
02:36:27,040 --> 02:36:33,359
» Okay. And your last question?
>> My last question though was u

2017
02:36:32,560 --> 02:36:38,880
» the region two.
>> The region two. What time that cover?

2018
02:36:36,560 --> 02:36:43,920
» I'm still learning the process. So, I I
I have to figure that out and let you

2019
02:36:41,600 --> 02:36:47,200
know.
>> Okay.

2020
02:36:45,200 --> 02:36:50,160
» That it.
All right.

2021
02:36:48,560 --> 02:36:53,439
» Uh
>> I wanted to talk about the next meeting,

2022
02:36:51,760 --> 02:36:56,600
but
>> All right.

2023
02:36:58,319 --> 02:37:07,359
» Really can't deliver it afterwards. So,
I'm the 29th doesn't work for you.

2024
02:37:04,640 --> 02:37:11,439
» Absolutely not. Could we meet on the
28th, the day before?

2025
02:37:09,760 --> 02:37:17,600
Is there anything set in stone that we
have to meet on Wednesdays?

2026
02:37:13,120 --> 02:37:21,840
» Um, we'd have to check and see who maybe
already has a meeting.

2027
02:37:19,040 --> 02:37:27,520
» Okay, I'll I'll do that. I'll check with
Mike, but then we really can't get a

2028
02:37:25,200 --> 02:37:31,680
» I vote for the next meeting.
>> I'll just make the meeting. I think

2029
02:37:28,960 --> 02:37:35,600
that's in my purview to do that. So,
>> okay. I may or may not be able to the

2030
02:37:34,240 --> 02:37:39,760
28th either.
>> Okay.

2031
02:37:36,000 --> 02:37:42,760
» I'd have to get child care. So,
>> um

2032
02:37:45,040 --> 02:37:51,319
» the 22nd. Oh, that's your families.
>> Yep.

2033
02:37:48,319 --> 02:37:51,319
» Yep.

2034
02:37:54,800 --> 02:38:00,579
» The 30th is fine.
>> Okay.

2035
02:37:58,560 --> 02:38:04,680
» Let's tentatively set it at the
[clears throat] 30th. I'll find out.

2036
02:38:07,040 --> 02:38:10,040
» Okay.

2037
02:38:10,880 --> 02:38:21,680
» Okay. And then
we had a request for a a uh variance

2038
02:38:18,880 --> 02:38:27,200
hearing to occur at that next meeting.
So it just we need to make sure that

2039
02:38:24,399 --> 02:38:30,560
everything gets coordinated in time
>> post

2040
02:38:27,680 --> 02:38:35,439
» for them to be able to post and put it
in the paper

2041
02:38:32,640 --> 02:38:39,359
all the requirements of sending to a
butters and whatnot.

2042
02:38:36,880 --> 02:38:44,319
» All right.
>> So I guess the sooner we could find out

2043
02:38:41,840 --> 02:38:48,800
on the next meeting date the better.
>> I'll take that up tomorrow and figure

2044
02:38:45,680 --> 02:38:54,960
that out as you go. So
um make a motion that we Journ

2045
02:38:53,359 --> 02:38:57,840
8:33.
>> Okay. Uh second.

2046
02:38:56,800 --> 02:39:00,640
» All in favor?
>> I

2047
02:38:59,359 --> 02:39:02,800
» thank you all for attending.
>> So when you have the next meeting, Jake,

2048
02:39:02,160 --> 02:39:06,479
I didn't
>> right now. Well, it's tenatively the

2049
02:39:05,840 --> 02:39:09,280
third again.
>> Okay.

2050
02:39:07,120 --> 02:39:11,760
» But I will I will I will message you.
I'll let it'll be up on my town

2051
02:39:11,280 --> 02:39:16,240
government.
>> Yeah.

2052
02:39:12,479 --> 02:39:20,000
» We're going to do our best to make it.
Okay.

2053
02:39:18,560 --> 02:39:24,080
» Thank you for having us.
>> Absolutely. And if you have other

2054
02:39:22,240 --> 02:39:30,920
suggestions and ideas, I'm willing to
listen. I just I'm not It's not like I'm

2055
02:39:26,880 --> 02:39:30,920
going what I think is best practice.