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And so it is
504. So we're going to get started

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calling the meeting order. Um, and we
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group. Um, and we'll start by
introducing ourselves. My name is Mary

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Hickeyi. I live at 60 Sunny Lane. Um, I
am a retired journalist. Um, I'm a

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grandma and um, I'm approaching this as
a journalist looking for information,

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listening, researching
um, and trying to learn as much as we

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can to share with
the town whatever we find and we're very

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eager to hear everybody's thoughts and
that's what this meeting is about,

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listening. So that's me.
presser. Uh I also live at 63 lanes.

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I'm
>> also a retired journalist

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and uh I have been around that long and
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this community has to say about this of
which I am glad to be a part. I it's

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great to see so many people so involved
in so democratic term.

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I'm Andrea Seaton. My husband Mike is in
the back row there next to Johnny Swing

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and I moved to 793 Brass and Jook Road
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thrilled to be Brooklyn residents after
having lived in East and raised our kids

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there for 30 years and our kids went to
Landon and Gray and I was in charge of

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fundraising public relations and
marketing at Grace Scott for 28 years.

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So I that way
>> I'm Stan Noa who live at 65 Sunny Lane

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next door neighbor to the other two
people involved here

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» and uh been in town since 1989.
>> Wow.

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» Uh so um have a somewhat of a
familiarity with the town. I've had the

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pleasure of serving the citizens in
other capacities and appreciate your

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support and I here to support the rest
of the group uh and the efforts involved

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and uh I think we've done a pretty
decent job of trying to get you some

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info on scenarios that are potential and
um pleasure to be here.

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My [clears throat] name is Ly Brooks. I
don't live on the sunny land.

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I learned at Ky Farm lifelong resident
um went to elementary school in this

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building and uh just as a lifelong
resident thought this committee would be

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a good start for me to
start getting more involved with the

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town. So just here to listen and talk
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» Oh, I'm Jess. I live at the West River
in slash lodge, whatever era you're

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from. Um
and this is my first time participating

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in in uh small town politics and it's
very exciting and it's a lot and I'm

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learning a lot but I'm I'm really truly
just really excited to see what kind of

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information we can come up with and what
as a community we decide to do. I'm I'm

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just so excited.
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Oh. Uh hi, I'm Emily. I'm on the select
board. I'm just doing the Zoom. This is

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our show.
Zoom

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» do

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I'm Mike
a select board but uh Alli and I have

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been you know we brought together we
want to seek volunteers primarily who

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maybe maybe you've been in town a long
time maybe you haven't but maybe you

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haven't been involved in in a lot of
town government so we we other than

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stand who's the veteran anchor here
they're really kind of new to town

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processes and so forth. So Emily and I
have kind of been trying to help

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everybody get up to speed as soon as
possible and be as productive as

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possible in their work by navigating the
way town meetings happen and that kind

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of stuff. So that's so we're supporting
this group.

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» And if anyone doesn't hasn't gotten a
signin sheet, please um let's send it

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back.
>> And also there's information sheets at

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the back that everyone should uh grab if
you haven't already. So we just have a

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couple little items or one little item
of business. Um approving the draft

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minutes from our last meeting.
>> Motion approved.

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» Second.
>> All in favor?

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» I would like to add some things for my
portion of the report. Uh Jess does a

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wonderful job as does Vanessa. It's a
long tedious process and and I've done

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them myself and sometimes you're just in
trouble getting something right and you

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miss the next time thing or two on the
list. So, um, this is

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and Jess has been fantastic. I I don't
want this to reflect negatively at all.

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That's not my intent. I just want to
make sure that I get what, um, happened

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my mouth in my hand. So, uh, I'd like to
amend item. I forget what item it is

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that uh, involve my presentation.
follows it.

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Yes, it was item number six
report. I'd just like to add to that um

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the the fact that um I had handed out
market data on land sales in this town

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and surrounding towns going back to in
2020 as an aid in allowing

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the committee to understand what lot
values might be. Should the town take a

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course that involves selling the school
andor taking a part of land off of it to

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gauge some kind of value to give numbers
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determination. So that that's one item.
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I then submitted a Microsoft Word
document on highest and best use as it

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applied to uh how any building
[clears throat] that the town might uh

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put up for sale could be enhanced in
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the citizens of the town. Uh I also
telephoned the developer of the South

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New Fang Church and tried to get a an
idea of why they chose the route that

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they did. Uh, and how they viewed that
process. Um, and then I also then

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contacted the buyer and seller of a
property in Vernon that had been a

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restaurant
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of them what their motivation was for
the transaction, what their motivation

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was for value uh, and uh, to better
serve background information again for

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possible options here on law.
But I guess those are the four things

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I'd like to add to the list that I've
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And with that amendment,
all favor

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uh second uh action item uh I we need a
motion to turn the meeting over to

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moderator Da Harper.
>> So move.

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» Second.
>> All in favor? Hi,

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» I'm David Parker. I don't live at Sunny
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you know. Um, yeah, I I'd like to keep
this and I think the group would too

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keep this as informal as possible. Um,
my understanding looking at the agenda

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is they're going to do a brief
presentation as to what they have found,

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what they've been up to. Um, they're not
here to give the sales pitch. Um and

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then conversely you are will be free
after that to ask questions uh make

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comments uh bring forth any information
that you'd like to share with them. So

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basically just a large exchange of
intimism. Um so one would hope that um

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if you have a question or something
you'd like to say raise your hand at

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that point. I'll call on you and try to
know who's next and and we can get an

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order go and um we'll go from there.

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» This um we introduced ourselves like I I
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Apologies for that. Um so the sheet that
I've handed out uh is something we all

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worked on. Gives you an overview of what
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our assignment via the select board is
pretty straightforward. Uh, gather

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information on the building, the school
building and the town building. Uh,

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develop possible scenarios and we
brainstormed a lot and came up with a

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gazillion different permutations of
ideas. Um, and um, then sort of narrowed

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it down, which we'll get to in a few
minutes. Um, then to provide financial

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models. what is this going to mean? You
know, if we do this, how much will it

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cost? If we do this, how much it will
save us. So, try to assess as best we

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can what the financial impact will be.
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hosting two townwide discussions um and
summarizing the input that we hear. This

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is the first of the two. Um then
finally, we are going to create a report

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uh based on what we find and and submit
it to the select board. Barba, our group

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is not a decision-making group in any
way, shape, or form. Uh we're not a

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recommendation making group. We are
simply a factf finding group. Um and so

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that's what we're trying to do. Learn as
much as we can. Consider every option

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possible. Um so we started looking at
what are the things that we have to

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consider. Does the town need or want a
larger town office? um how difficult or

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easy would it be to sell this building
or conversely to sell the town hall? Um

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what are the costs and benefits of
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gained sort of monetarily but also sort
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community gain from selling or
conversely what would the community lose

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by selling? Um what alternative use is
there for each of these buildings? what

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other possibilities
what we can do with the property and the

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space and then finally the cost and
impact which um which is where we're at.

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Um we've done uh we've narrowed it down
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nothing. Leave the status quo for now.
See what happens. See how the markets

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change. What might come up? Another one
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down the road to this building and sell
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Another one would be to rent this
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tenant, somebody that everybody would be
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rental with the town potentially
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and finally to sell this building at uh
to an acceptable buyer that everyone

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feels good about and uh keeping the town
office where it is. So those are the

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four scenarios that we have begun to
examine. Um I don't want to go through

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this whole list of what we've done, but
we've done a lot. and we've reached out

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uh we've done Stan has been super
amazing about getting us information on

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the listings and the property values and
the history of the building. Um we've um

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met with realtors uh to talk about the
potential of selling or uh renting

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either building. Uh Jess has met with
contractors to talk about the cost of

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renovating buildings. We're looking into
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we've connected with um some nonprofit
groups who have worked in in other

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communities. There are many communities
around the state that are dealing with

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identical issues. And in many of them, a
very common scenario is that the

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citizens form a nonprofit group, get the
building from the town, and then the

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citizens kind of spearhead turning it
into a community center or a daycare

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center or a various they're all listed
in this sheet that I've passed along.

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Um, and getting grant money, which is a
fairly complicated and arduous process,

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but there are there is grant money out
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um most of it for uh nonprofits that
sort of demonstrate a commitment either

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financially or have committees that show
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this over. Uh we've talked to we talked
to significantly we talked to the family

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uh that gave the town the town office um
and asked about the easement. There was

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an easement issue there. Um, and
somebody else might be able to explain

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that better than I can. Uh, but
basically this family is not uh willing

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to relinquish the easement. Um, they
have their reasons. They own land in

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back of the building. Um, so that
obviously would affect the ability to

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sell the building or the price of the
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we've talked to daycare uh people in the
daycare community about possible daycare

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use of the building. Um, we're just
we're doing a lot and we're kind of

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going down every little path that seems
viable and sometimes it's makes sense

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and sometimes like oh well this is not
going to work for us. Um, and then

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finally uh we're beginning to develop
these financial models which we're

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hoping to really nail down as best we
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am I missing anything? What else have we
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» But we're right now we're still in the
information gathering phase. We have not

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even we're not really ready to present a
full report of any kind. Um, and what we

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want to hear is this is the town. What
do you guys think should be done? What

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are the priorities? What shouldn't be
done? What are whatever. So with that,

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back to you, David.
>> Seems clear to me.

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» So yeah. Um, who would like to first?
>> Can you explain the easements and what

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it allows or does not allow to be done?
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recognize to speak, just if you could
say your name so everybody knows who you

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are, I'll bring the report to
>> Lori now. Martachi.

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» There we go. Good.
>> Uh at the time the property was donated

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to uh the town, the uh donators
retained a 25- foot wide easement to

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access the property behind the lot that
they were giving to the town. They owned

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a total of 180 acres and they have
another way of going north of the Grassy

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Brook, but they wanted a more direct
shot because it is 180 acres and it does

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go quite a ways down the mountain behind
the town office. So, they retained a

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right an easement to have access to that
if they're choosing to simply go across

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the property. Now, that easement, if
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looking at the town office, you'll note
there's a a line of st a stone wall on

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the south side of the town office
property. It appears that that easement

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goes from that stone wall 25 ft toward
the town office. So, a short distance

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between the entry door to the town
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ends. So, you know, I guess you could
lose that parking. Uh well, if if they

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want to use it at that time, family's
going to move their car. That's what it

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appears to me. And and the select board
members here were kind enough to to

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approach family members. And as as was
said, they're not interested in

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relinquishing that.
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of a problem should the citizens decide
you want to market that

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» to get something back should we move to
this building. And I guess the probably

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the most important question is if
someone put an easement on your property

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that you currently have and it's about
10 ft from your front door, but you

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think very highly about buying that
property. So it it is a concern.

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» And how much is acorage is on the other
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» Well, the whole lot is approximately an
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» and is it in flood plan?
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plan.
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septic system is on the other side.
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the north side on near the near the
stream but I I believe it's within the

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guidelines the state has mandated for a
distance no buffers no. So, Alyssa first

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and then Mike. Yep, that's it.
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would you stand up, please?

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» Do you have a copy of the easement
>> that I could look at?

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» I'd be happy to email it to you. It's
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records.
>> Okay. I was uh from

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gold to the town of Brookline book 16
pages 13 14.

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So, uh, you're Mike Satan. So, what's
what does it cost the town right now to

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run this building without a tenants and
that if we were to sell it potentially,

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what type of tax will we generate from
the building, sell it, right? So, I'm

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we're modeling all that. Uh, we have
some of those numbers at the at the

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moment until we refine the numbers a
little further. Uh we're going slow with

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putting them out there because once you
put a number out there, it's cast in

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stone. So uh so I I we have numbers for
those and this is not the purpose of

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this meeting. It's more to hear what
people want to do. Uh tonight I'm afraid

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if I start putting numbers out there,
you know, but I'm putting all the

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numbers out there.
>> It's might help people if they knew what

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it was costing us now to keep this
building potentially. You must hear

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that.
>> Okay. Yeah. What it's costing us now is

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probably we we originally budgeted about
$15,000

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to keep this building in a kind of a
semi mothball state

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» and it's costing us more than that.
>> Okay.

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» Annually
>> and annually. Yeah. The numbers I'm so

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annually. So where right now we're
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21,000 if we just did nothing and kept
this building as it is. Okay. That's a

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pretty solid number estimate. Thanks,
Mike.

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» Margaret
Margaret Parisa. Um, how many acres are

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here?
>> Uh, it's it's there's little question on

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that. Right now, we've been assuming
it's 6.81 81 acres.

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But, uh, there are some discrepancies
with the tax map. Uh, when I logged on

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to the ANRG, the Vermont GIS site, it
showed some weird

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drawing outline of where the town
property is. It It's not containing this

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part of the school. It's containing the
other part. And it's not uh and there's

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an extension that's supposedly I should
say an easement

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that was done
back early uh that expires in I think it

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is 20 45. It's a 50 foot wide easement
that goes from the road all the way back

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to the river. And you look at where the
surveyor put that it goes right through

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this part of the school. So the person
at Cardographics in Brattleboro when the

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listener sent the copy of the survey
they left that out of the drawing. So

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although it says 6.81
there could be an acre that's maybe

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attributable to that total bringing it
to approximately 7.74 acres.

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So there's there's a little ambiguity
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Um Barbara and then Gary
So uh that doesn't it does that include

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the ball field um or is it just it
doesn't it doesn't close the ball fin

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that's a separate piece isn't it wasn't
that was given from the weather was over

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here
>> oh piece

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» I believe it was but there there's the
next lot where the playground is that

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was a separate lot
uh there's a requirement on that but now

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that the town owns it all we straighten
it out. So, whatever we do will simplify

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things for the future. Uh, but yes, that
part is a part of the 6.8 acres.

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I believe the playground is
approximately another acre and again the

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50 foot by however long the this
easement is is another parcel. Uh the

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weather low parcel also contains the
area behind the meeting house. It goes

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down to the next property which um
yeah Rick thank you uh goes down that

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far. So I don't know if that answers the
question. Oh right.

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So Stan the it's the ball field down
here past the stone wall. Yes. And it

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wraps the weather when they gifted that
to the town. It goes behind this

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property to the church
>> past the church.

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» Uhhuh.
>> Yeah. There was a second de another deed

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from another person that contains the
playground out here.

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» Uhhuh.

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» But I believe this lot which is not part
of the ement is also part of the weather

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lot that you're referring to.

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» Jerry Leornia. We live in northern
Brooklyn. We're not really getting

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not planning to move to Southern Lane.
>> Yeah.

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It's confusing for me for this building.
>> Who has the I I made a mistake. I got to

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clarify. Thank you, Gary. You pointed
it. You actually subtly pointed out it's

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not an easement. It's leased land
>> and it expires I believe it is uh 2045.

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So who are we leasing from?
>> Well originally it was leased from the

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church that owned the meeting house.
They leased it

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» no fee just
>> you leased they leased it. So it has an

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expiration date but the comforting part
is Mike is a one time or two is that the

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town now owns it all. So you can you can
dissolve the lease, free that issue up.

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You can dissolve the requirement that
the playground out here supposed to have

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a fence all the way around it which it
doesn't. Um and I think we got a shared

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well with the So you have to want you
want to maintain that or not.

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» Well, there's no there's no um
penalty for doing the easement. I mean

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it revert back to the original land
owners.

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» It would revert back to the original.
Yeah. If you wanted to take that route.

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Yeah.
>> I mean, who who is that?

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» Well, right now it's the town and
original in terms of deed. If you deed

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property to the next person, that person
gets the easements that are associated

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with that deed. So, it's all been done
legally, orderly. So, the town now has

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is the ownership of the leased land
that's leased to the what was the school

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department of the town of Brooklyn, but
now because of the local resil is to the

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town of Brooklyn, which you voted on
back in 2014.

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Yeah, it's
an interesting question.

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» Okay. Um Dan and then Sure.
>> just just a point of fact or

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information. Um
this building shares [clears throat] a

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well with the church property, right?
>> Yes. Correct.

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» Not only that must be adequate to supply
the water that was used when this

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building was used. Uh, is that a fair
assumption?

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» Yes.
>> Um, and what sort of

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septic does this building have on this
property?

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» It was originally designed for 95
students. When Sunny Line Daycare took

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it over, they installed a kitchen over
here and that required a freestand. They

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reapplied to ANR for a permit to operate
it with 55, I'm sorry, with a number of

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students. Said, "How many can we have
here?" the state wrote back and said

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it's good for 55 students. So now it's
55 students

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» because of the sink or because of the
>> Yeah, there was a stove they had grease

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and so forth. So
>> yeah,

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» what is the date of the septic system
that's serves this you know and and does

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it conform to whatever [clears throat]
the state presently?

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» Well, they gave the permit so it does
comp it does comply. Yeah,

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» they wouldn't have if they if they felt
it wasn't they would have made some

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changes. Um
>> if actually a correlated question I

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guess if the building's used changed
from what it was

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uh would that require an upgrade of some
sort.

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» What I've looked into that it does
require another application identifying

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uh the change. I have gone online
through ANR's website and looked at two

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other properties that have gone through
changes from either a church or the one

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in Vernon that was a store. Um because
it was a store uh with a snack bar

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restaurant, they had a pretty good
number of uh gallons they could pump

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into the septic system because of that.
in the in the one in uh South New Fang.

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It it was a church and it had a a
reasonable size for a very small

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halfacre lot, good size seage system
there. In both cases, when the

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developers applied to ANR, ANR looked at
the capacity in under the prior system

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and gave both applicants an okay on it.
Uh that it met uh the requirements. The

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only change that happened on the which
would not apply to this well it might

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depending on what use was being utilized
is that uh because the property in

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Vernon was being converted from that
store restaurant to five one-bedroom

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units. The ANR people required a
220galon water tank [clears throat] be

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placed in the basement that was fed by
the well. So there was a a reserve

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available should all of them decided to
take a shower at the same time or wash

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their car or whatever and they but
that's the only requirement for current

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usage of that property they required in
the south new fame property they said oh

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there's only you know we're one bedroom
two people per one bedroom prior septic

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system had that in the capacity I did
for the church so you you're okay you

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don't need to do a thing I'm suspecting
that if this building were be used for

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some other purpose, we'd probably get
the same admitable scenario from the

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state that those other people got. But
it's a good question that you've asked

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definitely.
Oh, I will say one other thing. Uh the

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the the property and we don't have this
problem currently unless we were to

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split up and make this a smaller lot. In
the Vernon case, the state said you've

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only got one leechfield and it's right
at the point in the triangle where the

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where the two roads meet, group 142 and
and another road. What we're going to

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require is that you install a specific
filtration septic system.

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It's probably one and a half times the
normal septic system that filters out

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prefilters out the water before it goes
into the leaf field. Then that was the

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and they don't have to put it in now.
They only have to put it in if the

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original system fails. So pretty decent.
>> Actually, just a followup. Quick

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followup is is any part of this property
extending all the way to the recycling

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container, which I guess it does. Uh is
any part of this property in a flood

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plane?
>> Not currently.

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» No. Okay. Sort of surprising given
So, but I've been here since 88

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and this probably has not happened.
>> That's right.

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» Okay, Alyssa. And then listen.
>> Um,

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has the easement ever been used at the
town office? Does anyone know?

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» Good question. I don't think so. I
>> I'm not aware of it, but that doesn't

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mean it doesn't happen.

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Thank you,
>> Leslie. And then Martney, did you want

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to speak?
>> Well, thinking of the second, um, if

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it's you got room for 55 people, does
that mean that theoretically you put up

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55 apartments here and
>> or does

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property can handle how many people? So
meaning

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or or does the does the math somehow
translate differently so that you can

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have 55 students but maybe they're not
living here and therefore it's only 40

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appro
I don't have to ask that question. My

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suspicion is that part of the reason
that we're meeting here today that the

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select board is interested and I think
all the committee members if I'm wrong

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correct me is the fact that uh the town
I would assume the citizens would like

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to control what comes here. So you can
put restrictive

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in that it only be used for residential
purposes and possibly limit the size of

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those or the number of those. It's it's
a question that's a good question, but I

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I think that it probably would scare
most of us in this room to

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[clears throat] know that we have 55
units on this lot.

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» Thinking in terms of what is the limit
to the property. So, for example, the

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other the town hall at the moment should
take no more than x number of people,

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but here there's the opportunity for
more people potentially. So even though

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I'm not suggesting a skyscraper,
um it's interesting to know whether

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they're
rooms are 10 units versus four units

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versus I I'd be happy to look and ask
them if they tell me for free without

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actually filing an application to get
some help for you, but I I'm suspicious

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they probably wouldn't do that or
suspect they wouldn't do that. So I uh

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I'm sorry I couldn't answer your
question.

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» Leslie and then Johnny.
>> Yes. So my question was very similar to

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that. What kinds of restrictions would
be put on this building for use and who

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puts those restrictions
on us?

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» Uh that's one question. And then the
other is what reasons have been given

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for why the existing town hall might not
be sufficient anymore?

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So you might be you might be implying
the wrong thing. There has not been any

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conclusion that the town office is
sufficient.

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» Okay. Uh it's it's I think one of the
this this building folks would say would

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give you more flexibility because you
could do town hall plus

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» and then uh the second thing is that
there was a presumption for a while that

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and there still is that you know the
marketability of this building versus

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the marketability of that may be
materially different. Uh the the

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marketability of commercial space like
this is you know they're all over the

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place. uh and and launch as a single
home might might be more marketable.

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» Very good.
>> But and but none of it and then um that

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those are the kind of things I have been
hearing but but none of it is cast in

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stone and none of it about like the town
office is insufficient.

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I don't think we think with any
identification that that our town office

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is insufficient for our needs. Right. In
fact, one thing that uh Stan did was he

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looked at other towns of uh other towns
and the size of their town halls and uh

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concluded looking at the uh square
footage, the population of the town that

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uh the Brooklyn town hall is pretty much
on par with other town halls, even for

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towns that are considerably bigger than
ours. So it's not like we have this tiny

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little town hall for this gigantic town.
We have a little town and a sufficient

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town hall uh when compared to other
towns.

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» And then just in reference to the
earlier question about who puts

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restrictions on this. Did I understand
that it's the town that would do that?

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zoning

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state or nobody else can think what kind
of uses

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» they don't have zoning here. So pretty
we're pretty flexible.

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» Johnny
two points. Uh one I'm going to stick

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with my nitpicky semantics.
The town office should be called the

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town office not the town hall.
>> It's not a town hall. town halls and

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buildings are very different from
multiple buildings than

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which was last time you were here would
be called the town building. Um that's

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been corrected. Um the other thing is
that the student listing of 55 students

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negates the fact having kids go there
that there are adults in the numbers

413
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:48,720
too. So probably more like 65. You're
talking 55 students. model.

414
00:39:46,240 --> 00:39:53,760
» I'll rephrase my statement which again I
apologize for. Individuals I didn't mean

415
00:39:51,119 --> 00:39:57,359
to imply that was only students. It's 55
individuals. You could go online and

416
00:39:56,079 --> 00:40:02,640
» No, I'm just saying when when you're a
student, the numbers I'm imagining 55,

417
00:39:59,359 --> 00:40:07,400
it's your
fine realistically. I hope that would be

418
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:12,240
» um
>> Marne you wanted to say something and

419
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:17,280
then Laura
>> I was just thinking my question was what

420
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:23,839
can it physically handle so the septic
system can there's only the option here

421
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:29,920
for a larger number of people whereas
there's probably not the option there

422
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:35,440
whereas the people can choose to make
any restrictions so our voting is

423
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:41,880
different than what's physically
possible, but I just want to say I was

424
00:40:37,599 --> 00:40:41,880
asking about what's physically possible.

425
00:40:43,359 --> 00:40:55,119
» So my question kind of um comes off of
hers is that so there's one well

426
00:40:50,079 --> 00:40:58,240
um can either property get its own well?
>> Oh yeah.

427
00:40:55,920 --> 00:41:04,800
» So there there's Okay. And how about the
septic system? Is there two se separate

428
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:08,839
septic systems? very familiar with
those.

429
00:41:05,119 --> 00:41:08,839
» It's easy to split.

430
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:20,720
» I would just say that while it's nice to
know this stuff, right? It's a good good

431
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:25,520
to have this information. Septic systems
can be replaced, new wells can be dug.

432
00:41:23,599 --> 00:41:30,880
It's not a particular limiting factor
other than, you know, time and money.

433
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:36,480
» Time and money. But uh if we're not
overly limited by those state law

434
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:42,560
that let's say can't afford to do
something about it.

435
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:47,599
» Um yes too
core. Um I guess bringing back you know

436
00:41:45,119 --> 00:41:54,560
this this lady's question. When we lived
back in Pennsylvania, the developer of a

437
00:41:51,040 --> 00:42:00,880
sizable property failed to make repairs
to his septic sewer system for the

438
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:07,599
development and in the end township was
forced to take over at a cost to them. I

439
00:42:06,079 --> 00:42:11,040
don't know what the rules are here in
the state of Vermont. They're still

440
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:16,800
pretty new [clears throat]
>> and I know this will be down the road,

441
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:22,720
but is there anything like that in here
where the town could be liable to assume

442
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:27,040
responsibility for a fail
to property?

443
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:33,119
I wouldn't know how to respond to that
other than it would seem to me

444
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:36,800
well I don't want to I don't want to
legal stuff but I don't know how they

445
00:42:35,359 --> 00:42:42,079
would have gotten a permit if they have
a permitting system to put in something

446
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:47,760
like that without having to
>> they did so over the course of the 10

447
00:42:45,119 --> 00:42:52,560
years they just failed to
>> oh I don't

448
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:54,800
shouldn't be someone else's fault
>> well the township got stuck taking it

449
00:42:54,560 --> 00:43:00,040
done
>> I I have no idea what the parable center

450
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:00,040
did, but

451
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:08,560
» Okay, Dan.
>> Um, I just wanted clarification and this

452
00:43:05,599 --> 00:43:17,119
may not be relevant to the state either,
but I know in real estate that you can't

453
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:24,240
put stipulations on your buyer if you're
if they're doing what you know the code

454
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:29,200
is. we aren't necessarily allow to or
we're allowed to say we don't want more

455
00:43:26,240 --> 00:43:32,720
than three units and we don't want these
kind of tenants like if you sold the

456
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:39,280
property
I mean that doesn't but

457
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:44,000
» I I
am under the understanding that a seller

458
00:43:41,359 --> 00:43:51,040
can put covenants on property that it
sells and and that term I believe

459
00:43:48,079 --> 00:43:58,400
includes that and I'm not an attorney
and I don't stand here alleging that I

460
00:43:53,599 --> 00:44:01,359
am. I would probably refer the town hire
an attorney that might be able to answer

461
00:44:00,319 --> 00:44:06,720
that question.
>> Yeah. Okay. Because I just if it's like

462
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:11,599
sounds great if we get to say we don't
have 40 units here, but [clears throat]

463
00:44:09,599 --> 00:44:14,160
do we actually want to be able to say
that?

464
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:17,760
» I'm going to talk about the research. I
can let you know.

465
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:21,200
» Yeah. You know, some of us
>> we know he's looking into that. I can

466
00:44:19,599 --> 00:44:23,440
look into that more. I don't know if
anyone has looked at their deeds. Some

467
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:27,760
of you might have mobile home
restrictions. I've seen those a lot

468
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:31,040
looking at properties here. Um, so that
you know, people sell it and they say

469
00:44:29,359 --> 00:44:35,599
you can't ever put a mobile home on this
again. Um, I don't know. I don't know

470
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:38,400
Vermont property laws if there's
anything that specifically says you

471
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:43,119
can't, but generally you can put
restrictive covenants in a deed. Um, I

472
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:47,839
bet most realtors would tell you not to
if you want to get a good price.

473
00:44:45,599 --> 00:44:51,760
uh not a lot of people want to accept
something with a lot of restrictions.

474
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:56,400
But yeah,
>> I think that's um you've touched on

475
00:44:54,400 --> 00:45:01,760
something would be valuable to know more
about is what options does the town have

476
00:45:00,079 --> 00:45:08,319
to
say what comes next here if we sell this

477
00:45:05,119 --> 00:45:13,200
and how would that affect
the market ability of property? So say

478
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:18,000
if it's even possible to do that. Go
ahead. Marjgerie.

479
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:22,400
» Uh Marjorie Ray, I was wondering are any
parts of the building actually um I know

480
00:45:20,240 --> 00:45:27,440
we have an old front section but is it
considered historical? Is it like part

481
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:31,359
covered as a historical building?
>> My understanding is no.

482
00:45:29,119 --> 00:45:34,960
» So you can put the vault anywhere.
>> Hope you don't have to worry about a

483
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:40,560
window.
>> It's old but it's not historical or any

484
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:46,079
registry or anything. All right. Uh
Bruce and then Gary Bruce Mellow. Uh I

485
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:50,880
can't answer your question is what Mark
said because it's not on historic

486
00:45:48,319 --> 00:45:55,839
registry. The building from this
building that you're sitting right now

487
00:45:52,079 --> 00:46:00,400
was built in 1929. So you can look at it
for your own opinion whether you think

488
00:45:57,839 --> 00:46:04,400
it's historical or not. The second thing
I would like to point to is I would like

489
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:08,240
to back up for a second about an
observation I made about the town office

490
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:14,520
this morning with respect to the
easement. I I wanted to go walking in

491
00:46:11,119 --> 00:46:14,520
there to see

492
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,800
that

493
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:42,119
comment to it.
When you read what you're finding

494
00:46:55,222 --> 00:46:57,242
[laughter]

495
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:09,040
over the stream
along the road and then come straight

496
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:15,040
that two
of the concrete bridge near the town

497
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:19,599
office and the stand
ft both front and back was almost a

498
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:23,000
square but not quite
I don't think

499
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,520
I don't know

500
00:47:37,599 --> 00:47:44,760
And then
you say you met two realtor. Did they

501
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,760
get a report

502
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:56,400
of selling it with the market value?
>> He did. But the first time we spoke to

503
00:47:52,720 --> 00:48:00,839
the facility, Robert from
he said the top

504
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:22,440
elementary propert,000

505
00:48:25,119 --> 00:48:28,760
square foot building.

506
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:35,400
So there's what he said was there's a
lot of

507
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:38,680
virtually

508
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,520
sheated

509
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:13,720
One of the comments that
said

510
00:49:15,119 --> 00:49:18,119
commercial.

511
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:35,680
So
the entities that

512
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:41,440
members here married uh as well that
they made some inquiries when and we

513
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:48,400
also contacted um
a what's called ACCD is now DC

514
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:54,079
something. Uh they have funded a lot of
projects throughout the state. Uh the

515
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:58,400
director sent out a list to me. Uh and I
know Mary got a similar one for me. She

516
00:49:56,319 --> 00:50:03,200
checked with and what you'll see there
on my list there were six different

517
00:50:00,720 --> 00:50:08,960
parcels that were developed.
All five of the six went residential

518
00:50:06,319 --> 00:50:12,720
because the closing shortage was easier
to get grants for it. All the

519
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:18,720
complexities that go on with commercial.
There was one of those six that went

520
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:23,359
half residential, half commercial. So
the biggest option, the most

521
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:27,359
advantageous position would be should
the citizens choose selling this

522
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:31,040
building would be looking at residential
use. It' be the more marketable of the

523
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:38,240
two.
Um just as a point of comparison and

524
00:50:33,359 --> 00:50:44,160
South Newane um there was a um there was
a nonprofit uh New South community

525
00:50:41,119 --> 00:50:51,920
association. It was given a donation of
a church uh and it then sold that church

526
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:55,119
to a smallcale developer who is going to
turn it into two or three residential

527
00:50:53,920 --> 00:51:00,400
units.
>> Two two

528
00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:05,359
um the asking price initially was uh
$299,000.

529
00:51:02,559 --> 00:51:11,280
It sold for $56,000.
So just sent to the mark. That said,

530
00:51:08,559 --> 00:51:16,400
there's a big need for housing. there is
uh grant money to people who are

531
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:22,720
developing housing. Uh so I guess the
developer felt it was a a good thing

532
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:28,640
$56,000 and whatever he has to put into
it. He will then either sell these or

533
00:51:26,720 --> 00:51:34,640
rent these residential.
>> Can I just Did I read this wrong? So it

534
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:38,880
says that it sold for 6 56,000 down from
the asking price to

535
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:45,040
» I I missed a comma. It should be it sold
for $56,000

536
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:48,440
mama. That is down from the asking price
of $299,000.

537
00:51:51,119 --> 00:51:58,640
» And then Bruce,
>> um I don't have

538
00:51:55,280 --> 00:52:04,400
a opinion or an objective with a
statement shortly. Just registering

539
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:09,920
slight disagreement about the easement
and the viability of selling that

540
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:15,680
parcel. Um, in terms of I think Stan,
you were just stating it makes it much

541
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:19,200
less desirable. Um, sure, easements are
great not knowing who's going to come

542
00:52:17,119 --> 00:52:23,520
and go, but essentially I kind of see it
as a driveway to get to this other

543
00:52:21,599 --> 00:52:27,839
property. So, it would just be, you
know, that family or whoever's

544
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:31,920
associated with that family. And it's
very very common in Vermont that a lot

545
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:38,400
of people live absolutely right on the
side of, you know, main corridors that

546
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:44,640
are very, you know, populated compared
to an easement that's getting people not

547
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:48,640
even to a full-time residential home.
So, I just I'm not trying to say I think

548
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:53,040
that building should be sold. I'm not
trained. I'm just simply stating I don't

549
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:58,160
know
how

550
00:52:54,960 --> 00:53:02,319
much of a negative impact it is.
Unless it's used here for logging,

551
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:07,599
» Bruce.
>> Well, there's a huge uh committee. There

552
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:13,440
were several or three realtors that went
to both buildings.

553
00:53:09,839 --> 00:53:18,640
Can you share with everybody what they
what those realtors thought of the

554
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:23,280
marketability of the town office?
Robert Doyle was the first one to see

555
00:53:20,559 --> 00:53:32,800
the town office of the two realtors and
we were brainstorming. Ly was there and

556
00:53:26,559 --> 00:53:38,960
uh I others he uh yeah he said um that
if you sold it to somebody to turn it

557
00:53:35,599 --> 00:53:44,400
into a primary home, you could visualize
walking in having the kitchen to the

558
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:49,359
left, the master bathroom about where
the vault is part of the bathroom that's

559
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:55,200
there now, but building it into where
the vault is now. having two bedrooms uh

560
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:59,839
where the back meeting room is. There's
lots of closet space there. And then

561
00:53:57,599 --> 00:54:05,119
that leaves a very small living area,
but Lyall had the great idea maybe

562
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:10,000
getting rid of the basement access so
that you'd have more room on the first

563
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:13,599
floor and then you'd have to go outside
and into a bulkhead to get to the

564
00:54:12,079 --> 00:54:19,760
basement, but it would give you more
living space. So, all of this was pie in

565
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:26,720
the sky. What would you do? And uh if
the town decided to sell that building

566
00:54:22,240 --> 00:54:33,599
and sold it to um a spec builder who
wanted to say pay $100,000 for it and

567
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:39,440
then sell it as a primary residence for
say 200,000. All of these are pie in the

568
00:54:36,319 --> 00:54:44,720
sky numbers. Um that could be a
possibility because there is a shortage

569
00:54:41,599 --> 00:54:50,480
of housing in the area of houses that
are in that price range. Um, we did talk

570
00:54:48,240 --> 00:54:55,520
about the pros and cons that if it were
sold that the parking for the round

571
00:54:52,800 --> 00:55:02,400
schoolhouse would no longer be available
across the street. Um, but uh that was

572
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:08,079
where we left it with Robert Dy. We
wanted to make it very clear that this

573
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:13,599
was all back in the envelope thinking
and nothing written in stone. Uh, and at

574
00:55:11,599 --> 00:55:19,119
the time that we met with him, we didn't
quite know about, we didn't know what

575
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:23,839
the uh, specifics of the easement were,
but he said that, you know, you can sell

576
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:28,160
a property with an easement, but it
probably will bring the property value

577
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:31,599
down somewhat depending. It's all in the
eye of the buyer.

578
00:55:30,559 --> 00:55:36,160
Fortunately, [clears throat] the realtor
that I had asked to come gave a number

579
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:40,720
for this building, but they have not.
And even though I've asked a number from

580
00:55:38,720 --> 00:55:46,480
the other building, so I can't add to
that any man, shape or form.

581
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:52,160
» I opinion though is that this building a
lot more value that building

582
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:56,799
and she just she could not say a reason
why you think that has come to this

583
00:55:54,559 --> 00:56:02,640
building in what you saw. So she didn't
really bother to address it for that was

584
00:56:00,319 --> 00:56:08,799
her those are her two and then she came
back with the number on this building.

585
00:56:05,599 --> 00:56:14,319
Okay, Dan first and then moderate second
and then Johnny third. Um I'm just in

586
00:56:12,240 --> 00:56:20,079
asking questions more at the moment, but
um I wonder if it would be uh in

587
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:26,720
addition to the couple of realtors
you've spoken with, um

588
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:31,359
maybe talk to somebody who's developed
um

589
00:56:28,319 --> 00:56:37,680
say residential property in this area to
find out um

590
00:56:34,559 --> 00:56:42,880
would they envision if they were to
purchase this property for residential

591
00:56:39,839 --> 00:56:47,119
use, would They would they be inclined
to keep this building or just tear it

592
00:56:44,799 --> 00:56:51,359
down and build something altogether new?
And the same goes for the town office

593
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:56,799
properties. Would that building be you
know demolished to make way for

594
00:56:54,079 --> 00:57:01,680
something else or would they adapt that
present building or housing as you were

595
00:56:58,559 --> 00:57:05,599
describing? I just was wondering if that
>> so we are trying to connect with

596
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:10,880
smallcale developers to just try to
throw out there hey if if this building

597
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:15,359
were to come on the market what sort of
interest might there be we've been in

598
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:22,720
touch with um the Vermont um office of
housing which has a program uh for this

599
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:27,920
is this is so common around the state
and this t the state has a program for

600
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:32,160
developers where they share resources
it's called homes for All we're trying

601
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:37,200
to connect with people from there to get
answers to some of those questions.

602
00:57:36,079 --> 00:57:39,520
» Thank you.
>> Martin, you were next and then Johnny

603
00:57:38,799 --> 00:57:44,160
Swing.
>> Guess I have I have two comments. Uh

604
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:49,400
let's say we end up selling this
building.

605
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:49,400
» Where do we meet

606
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:53,000
» is

607
00:57:54,400 --> 00:58:03,359
not a town hall.
town office is not all and um

608
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:08,240
» um I don't know if all of us would fit
into that back living room. That's why

609
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:13,280
we're meeting here.
>> Brooklyn meeting. I was right there.

610
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:17,200
» That's a possibility. And then we also
talked about there are places that we

611
00:58:15,119 --> 00:58:21,760
could rent for the town meeting or you
know town meeting. So it's definitely

612
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:25,920
there are options.
>> I mean there buildings all over the

613
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:28,799
place that could be
else.

614
00:58:27,359 --> 00:58:33,200
» And the other thing I know you keep
talking about the South New Church, but

615
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:38,480
what's that acre land? We have six,
>> right? And I think if you want to

616
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:42,480
continue to try to compare the math to
their property, I think we need to find

617
00:58:40,559 --> 00:58:48,319
some other ones with that throughout the
state because a lack of affordable

618
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:53,200
workingass
housing is what we need if we need

619
00:58:50,799 --> 00:59:00,000
anything built throughout the entire
state. And um it's very stressing that I

620
00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:06,640
mean that's a lot of depressive things
going on around but but that was my is

621
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:10,880
we just see some other options where
they have a big piece of property that's

622
00:59:08,559 --> 00:59:17,599
like an acre. We had also been in touch
um with the Windhams and Windsor Housing

623
00:59:13,599 --> 00:59:21,680
Trust which um is a it's so in Northern
Vermont there's something called Rural

624
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:26,400
Edge which has taken a lot of buildings,
school buildings, old churches and

625
00:59:23,599 --> 00:59:30,400
turned them into small rental units.
Nobody's talking like 40 units and

626
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:36,559
nothing. They're really two or four or
six. Um, we were in touch with this

627
00:59:33,359 --> 00:59:40,960
Windham Windsor Trust and they were not
interested because they only deal with

628
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:46,480
uh buildings that have municipal
services. Um, so so that was one avenue

629
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:51,520
we went down. It was sort of a dead end,
but we're continuing to pursue whatever

630
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:57,200
we can find out. I mean, there's just so
much out there in terms of the state and

631
00:59:53,920 --> 01:00:01,280
housing funding and programs. is just a
lot and so we're looking into as much as

632
00:59:59,119 --> 01:00:05,040
we can without sort of since no
decisions made we can't really go too

633
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:11,280
deep down the road but we're trying to
learn as much as we can

634
01:00:08,799 --> 01:00:16,319
» um I slightly
disagree have a different view of value

635
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:21,599
this building um
having had friends that come up to look

636
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:27,440
at places to to buy or move here there's
virtually nothing built um that house

637
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:33,920
just north of Dutton 's farm stand on
Route 30 sold for $300,000.

638
01:00:31,359 --> 01:00:38,160
That shack
three of the properties on flooded twice

639
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:43,359
a year.
>> Um I see this building is worth much

640
01:00:40,799 --> 01:00:49,440
more in the four to five range. I just
can't imagine houses that are selling

641
01:00:45,599 --> 01:00:55,119
around here for 300 are chunk and you're
you know up in the four range more.

642
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:58,480
You get somebody from New York City come
in here, an artist, you know, somebody

643
01:00:56,960 --> 01:01:02,160
successful to come in here and just make
this into a studio and a garage

644
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:04,400
downstairs. Like, whoa. You don't have
to you don't have to develop or

645
01:01:03,359 --> 01:01:08,240
anything. Just let somebody's
imagination go wild. You know, it's you

646
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:12,559
know, I would much rather live in
Brooklyn than off the edge of Route 30.

647
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:17,359
» Yeah. And and when we're talking you
can't, you know, 300 seems like a high

648
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:22,480
side. I'm like 300 seems like a rock
bottom.

649
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:27,440
I'm faffled by by by
now. Are you suggesting going to the

650
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:31,119
market as is? I'm saying if you thought
of selling this, I would certainly go to

651
01:01:28,799 --> 01:01:35,040
the market as is with stipulations. I
think you could literally say a single

652
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:40,079
family unit has to be and this place
would go in a week at 450.

653
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:44,480
» That's that's interesting. So I mean the
property in Dmerston on on up on Hill's

654
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:48,079
farm
every house up there has been marketed

655
01:01:46,240 --> 01:01:53,280
between 6 and 8 and they are on the
market for three days

656
01:01:50,559 --> 01:01:57,119
and and yes Hill's farm is definitely
walk you know not walking distance but

657
01:01:55,119 --> 01:02:00,880
you know five minutes to the best
grocery stores. Brooklyn's very

658
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:04,400
different but Brooklyn's really special.
You come across this bridge this town

659
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:08,960
has such a wonderful feeling.
Everybody's going there for everybody.

660
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:14,559
It's it's a like a breath of fresh air.
you're not caught up on Route 30. It's a

661
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:21,119
it's a really amazing town and I'm just
baffled to hear that this this building

662
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:26,400
which I see could be somebody's home
chaply or multi-units.

663
01:02:24,799 --> 01:02:31,119
» You know, this could be divided into two
or three units and still go for 200 a

664
01:02:28,559 --> 01:02:34,240
unit. I just I think I think the numbers
are off of what you're getting

665
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:39,359
» when you hear of that property just
north of Dutton for 300. Charm of the

666
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:42,359
town has always been we're on the way to
nowhere.

667
01:02:42,363 --> 01:02:44,383
[clears throat]

668
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:49,000
» Sorry.

669
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:54,559
» You may be absolutely right. They're
just recording what?

670
01:02:51,599 --> 01:02:59,280
» Yeah, I know. I'm saying I just I'm a
different view.

671
01:02:56,799 --> 01:03:02,799
» Well, I like the art the artist view.
>> Well, it's not just

672
01:03:01,359 --> 01:03:06,559
coming up to New York City. There is
absolutely nothing available right now.

673
01:03:04,559 --> 01:03:11,839
Like and you know I heard you mention
100,000 it's like a h 100,000 you

674
01:03:09,839 --> 01:03:17,680
couldn't you couldn't find a trailer for
100,000 200 there's that was only two

675
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:24,160
realtors I have a third realtor lined up
when I come back and if you have other

676
01:03:20,079 --> 01:03:30,000
realtor Grayson you know Grayson right
he just he just bought a house and moved

677
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:33,520
to south you know to west but I
>> so any suggestions on who we should talk

678
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:38,039
to would be super helpful
>> I think it's buyer right this minute.

679
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:45,760
I'm sure
I think this time because I I I'm in

680
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:49,839
support of what you're saying and you
you know don't really know right but but

681
01:03:47,839 --> 01:03:54,720
it could very well be worth all that
just in order of while I'm not going to

682
01:03:51,839 --> 01:04:00,240
present numbers tonight. Um I am a
numbers guy and if and the numbers that

683
01:03:57,599 --> 01:04:04,160
we've crunched so far they've been
screened a little bit but but they they

684
01:04:02,079 --> 01:04:09,920
could change so not to say what they are
but if in order of magnitude and it's

685
01:04:06,799 --> 01:04:14,480
not insignificant gaps the most
expensive thing for us to do according

686
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:19,280
to my modeling is to do nothing just sit
on everything. That's the most expensive

687
01:04:16,559 --> 01:04:24,079
scenario. Uh, by the way, when we used
to rent this out, uh, it used to cover

688
01:04:22,319 --> 01:04:27,280
not only the cost of this building to
operate, but the cost of the town hall.

689
01:04:25,839 --> 01:04:32,400
So, we actually had a little profit
center when the nurse when

690
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:37,599
so
now so now we're going to now we're

691
01:04:35,359 --> 01:04:42,480
going to the you know, we do nothing
worst case, right? So, so the clock is a

692
01:04:39,599 --> 01:04:48,720
little bit ticking on that. Uh, but just
so to move the town office here and to

693
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:52,960
uh uh, you know, have space to do other
stuff and sell that building at at some

694
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:58,480
of the we talked about is kind of and
and I've been measuring over 10 year

695
01:04:54,880 --> 01:05:03,520
period. Okay. And the next one down is
move the town office year. That's the

696
01:05:00,319 --> 01:05:08,640
second uh most expensive.
Now, that could change could change

697
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:13,920
depending on uh the third
uh lowest cost option, if you will, is

698
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:18,160
if we could find a a tenant that didn't
even pay too much money, but would then

699
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:21,599
cover the cost of operating the
building, you know, the heat, light, and

700
01:05:19,359 --> 01:05:26,559
power, and maybe pay us a little rent
that would be the next lease expensive

701
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:31,440
or whatever you want to say. number
three and and

702
01:05:28,799 --> 01:05:35,119
uh materially so if we could get any
reasonable amount for this building

703
01:05:33,119 --> 01:05:41,920
whether it be 200 whether it be 300
whether it be 400 is materially the

704
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:44,880
lowcost option and comes with a risk you
know I think I've heard some of the risk

705
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:46,960
in the statements that folks are making
who's coming in what are they going to

706
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:52,559
do
>> uh and and but but just by order of

707
01:05:49,359 --> 01:05:59,200
magnitude selling this building so far
on paper purely is is the lowcost option

708
01:05:56,079 --> 01:06:03,920
Nothing is the highest town hall to red
school three.

709
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:09,680
And does the have you have you ranked
the most profitable versions because the

710
01:06:08,079 --> 01:06:14,720
cost is not necessarily
>> that is that it's all in all in so as a

711
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:19,280
matter of fact we do if we depending on
what we get for the school right I think

712
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:24,240
we have to spend some money to make it
readily available depending on what we

713
01:06:21,359 --> 01:06:28,640
get we could have a profit
>> well

714
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:31,920
» I'll call well except that if you put in
units here then the revenue to the Now

715
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:36,720
with taxes
>> well I'm factoring in tax. I'm back to

716
01:06:34,079 --> 01:06:42,240
your assumption about if this became a
taxable property what might the property

717
01:06:39,359 --> 01:06:46,319
taxes be and and uh that would be a
benefit of selling this building that

718
01:06:44,079 --> 01:06:51,520
was in in all likelihood it would become
a tax paying propert. So that's all in

719
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:54,799
my mind all in the model.
>> How many units did you was your high

720
01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:59,200
number of unit?
>> I just have a dollar amount. I don't I

721
01:06:56,319 --> 01:07:03,119
don't I don't I I units I'm like what
could I get for this building? It's not

722
01:07:01,039 --> 01:07:06,319
about the unit. It's about the building
and generally speaking the square

723
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:13,440
footage and generally speaking what
residential properties pay per square

724
01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:21,119
foot in town back again
>> uh Gary and then Pat two points. Yes. In

725
01:07:17,599 --> 01:07:25,920
the original meeting we had for this
Sally Fagley volunteered to get into

726
01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:30,240
this. Did anybody check with her?
>> No, but I I actually had thought about

727
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:34,160
reaching out to her and will
>> she mentioned that she would be

728
01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:36,880
interested in looking at the market and
making a report.

729
01:07:35,359 --> 01:07:41,599
» We'll reach out to her. I think the more
realtors we speak to the better.

730
01:07:38,799 --> 01:07:47,599
» The second point is that seems like to
sell this commercially is not viable

731
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:51,760
» and that housing residential seems to be
the way to go. So I wouldn't even

732
01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:58,920
consider trying to get commercial people
in here with the extra expense of the

733
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:58,920
Franklin etc.

734
01:07:59,200 --> 01:08:08,000
» Um Pat you're next and then we
>> um so in your modeling that you're doing

735
01:08:05,839 --> 01:08:13,200
you have some models that just have the
school and the immediate yardage

736
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:16,480
property around it with a field separate
and town kept the field separate.

737
01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:21,040
» Yeah. Yes. I think we made an assumption
about, you know, that S had said some

738
01:08:19,839 --> 01:08:25,440
things at meetings about, you know, this
playground go a septic out here goes out

739
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:31,759
to that driveway or whatever and then
we'd keep the

740
01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:36,239
» feel. But it's it's not that refined yet
that I could say I've adequately

741
01:08:34,319 --> 01:08:39,120
incorporated that, but we assume that we
wouldn't necessarily need to sell off

742
01:08:37,679 --> 01:08:44,199
the fields.
>> We would sell what we need to sell.

743
01:08:41,199 --> 01:08:44,199
» Yes.

744
01:08:44,799 --> 01:08:52,400
And then Barbara,
>> um, my comment was pretty much on fire

745
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:58,159
with Pats. Just wondering that
additional acreage that is the field,

746
01:08:54,640 --> 01:09:02,960
which I I understand might be nice for
the town to continue to to have if they

747
01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:08,400
want to do something on it. But just the
fact that since I've been here in 22 or

748
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:13,679
23 years, I haven't seen anything go on
in that. and that it may be additional

749
01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:19,679
revenue for the town at a time that we
might need it also with maybe

750
01:09:16,159 --> 01:09:24,319
restrictions or would the option to buy
when this pro if this property was sold

751
01:09:22,159 --> 01:09:29,920
for the people that was buying. I'm just
thinking there's there's some some

752
01:09:26,480 --> 01:09:33,440
really good options and I and the best
use okay

753
01:09:31,199 --> 01:09:37,040
» for the town and a separate sale of that
land has not been something I've

754
01:09:35,199 --> 01:09:43,359
incorporated yet into my assumption. So
that's a good point that even more.

755
01:09:40,239 --> 01:09:50,960
» Okay, Barbara already and then Julie.
>> Um my question is is can we advertise

756
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:57,440
this as a rental property just to see if
there's an interest of anyone, you know,

757
01:09:54,480 --> 01:10:04,719
before we made money on it. Um anyone
that they care for, but there might be

758
01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:10,239
another interest in it. Um, is there
an interest or a a reason why we

759
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:13,760
couldn't you know advertise it just to
see if there is anyone who wants to rent

760
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:19,280
it?
>> So, can we do that without the approval

761
01:10:16,640 --> 01:10:23,360
of the residents? My understanding was
we were going to sort of it was going to

762
01:10:21,199 --> 01:10:28,000
be up to the town what we wanted to do.
Are you suggesting just sort of was it

763
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:32,159
to test the waters? Yes. put it on to
real,

764
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:38,239
» how would we know if it was viable to
rent it if we did make money on it um in

765
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:41,199
the past that maybe it would be
>> Yeah. I guess if somebody came in

766
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:46,320
tomorrow and said, "Hey, I want to rent
a place." And it was a reasonable number

767
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:47,199
and it, you know, helped us enough.
>> Yeah.

768
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:51,760
» Yeah.
>> I guess the select board could say,

769
01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:54,880
"Hey, let's do that." And by the way,
time out. We're not going to do that

770
01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:58,480
other thing that we said we're going to
do for a couple years. would have put on

771
01:10:56,400 --> 01:11:03,600
ice for a couple of year.
>> That's a scenario that's possible. It's

772
01:11:00,719 --> 01:11:06,960
not nothing nothing keep us from doing
that other than we kind of be changing

773
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:12,239
the game if you will
>> like pop rentals for winter

774
01:11:10,239 --> 01:11:16,080
you know Christmas
I don't

775
01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:20,000
next year in
>> but I'd like to piggy back on our

776
01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:24,080
comment which is it's a lot easier to
sell property than it is to buy and if

777
01:11:22,239 --> 01:11:27,600
the town owns this property it would be
really I think the most advantageous

778
01:11:26,159 --> 01:11:31,840
thing would be to figure out a way to
keep the property and not lose money

779
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:38,480
which would be op, you know, if
Barbara's idea or option three could

780
01:11:34,719 --> 01:11:43,199
could be figured out. And it's just it
seems shortsighted to sell property.

781
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:45,679
» We could always vote as a town to do
exactly that. It's one of the scenarios.

782
01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:50,640
» No. No.
>> And then if it if it fails, right, and

783
01:11:47,679 --> 01:11:53,360
try to do it, then we come back and say,
>> "Hey, it's not worth it."

784
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:57,360
» Right. Right now it's an anchor and it's
a problem. Right. But but you know if if

785
01:11:55,360 --> 01:12:01,280
it was marketed properly and it didn't
have to be sold it would be a wonderful

786
01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:05,040
asset for the town to continue you know
having this and you see plenty of

787
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:08,560
situations where towns
sell property and like 20 years later

788
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:11,840
like damn it I wish we still had that.
Sure. Like

789
01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:15,679
» well that's optional list right now is
is to keep it and rent it,

790
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:18,880
» right? The other question sort of
piggybacks on that which is say the

791
01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:22,719
property sold regardless of what it's
sold for. I assume that the money goes

792
01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:28,080
into the town's coffers and therefore
somehow either lessens the tax burden or

793
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:31,760
enables us to buy something else or do
something and you know that's a large

794
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:37,360
amount of money. Do you advertise that
over 10 years, 50 years, 100 years, one

795
01:12:35,120 --> 01:12:41,600
year? I mean, what is the you know, one
year you look like a king, but you know,

796
01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:44,800
» Yeah.
>> Everyone loves you because the tax is

797
01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:49,120
gonna, you know,
>> Yeah. I I you know, I didn't get to that

798
01:12:46,719 --> 01:12:54,640
part of it. I just, you know, it is sold
in year two. I'll go through a 10-year

799
01:12:51,520 --> 01:13:00,880
period, cash in, cash out, you know, and
and so on some of these things, we I

800
01:12:57,760 --> 01:13:08,800
assume we sell the property in 2028, you
know, and we pick up $300,000, whatever

801
01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:14,560
it goes to offset uh other expenses.
Julia, you have the floor now. Okay.

802
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:20,719
I just wanted to say I think it would be
a terrible terrible waste of this

803
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:28,120
building to move the town office into
this building. I feel very strongly

804
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:28,120
about I love our time to just

805
01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:37,679
perfect
in this building. I my dream for this go

806
01:13:34,480 --> 01:13:43,960
is for to be an artist's collective. I
don't know if

807
01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:43,960
you friends.

808
01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:55,840
» I agree with you, Julie. Had the town
office was meant to be the town office

809
01:13:52,960 --> 01:14:02,400
was given to the town,
etc. But I think it'd be shortsighted to

810
01:13:58,159 --> 01:14:06,800
sell any of our real estate with the the
values that were presented to us and it

811
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:14,960
seemed extremely low. the values of
property are going up rapidly

812
01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:19,199
and uh you know the the projected value
is is way more than than what's being

813
01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:24,239
proposed here. So I just think it'd be
shortsighted to sell any of our

814
01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:29,520
property.
>> Uh [snorts]

815
01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:35,199
let's see if Jess spoken. happened.
>> Uh I just want to say that the the

816
01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:39,280
option of moving the town office here is
uh something we're exploring because

817
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:44,239
enough people have said what if
>> what if we move the town office? And

818
01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:47,760
it's not it's not a like we need a new
town office. It's not anything like

819
01:14:45,679 --> 01:14:51,440
that. It's just an avenue that's been
brought up enough for us to have it be

820
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:55,679
one of the things that we're seriously
exploring. So, just to clarify that

821
01:14:54,159 --> 01:14:59,360
nobody's,
you know, saying our town office isn't

822
01:14:57,600 --> 01:15:04,800
good enough because by goodness, it
really is.

823
01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:08,880
» Can I clarify what you're
clarify what you're saying? You said, do

824
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:14,560
you think we should hold on to the I
guess holding on to old property? You

825
01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:20,320
said tennis
office.

826
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:24,159
Uh, and this pursuing a rental and new
year pursue a rental.

827
01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:29,679
» Okay,
>> Dan, you and then Gary.

828
01:15:27,199 --> 01:15:36,000
» Um, well, I don't again I don't know
what the viability would be of

829
01:15:32,719 --> 01:15:40,719
finding a renter. Um well, I don't know
what the viability of any of these

830
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:44,560
options is exactly, but um this it seems
like this building is large enough to

831
01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:50,239
accommodate
perhap potentially multiple uses at

832
01:15:46,719 --> 01:15:54,719
once. Um you know, like rent different
spaces separately. Um,

833
01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:59,360
» I don't know if there's anybody that
would be interested in renting, but you

834
01:15:56,880 --> 01:16:03,760
know, I mean, just about every room in
this building has its own bathroom, so

835
01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:08,640
that's convenient if someone wanted to
like use room as a studio or workspace

836
01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:13,520
of some sort.
>> Um, it would be I could see that

837
01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:19,679
happening or that being useful to
somebody potentially. Um, and the other

838
01:16:17,440 --> 01:16:26,159
thing is it would be
it'd be really I think helpful if

839
01:16:23,360 --> 01:16:30,719
somehow the town could
I know this isn't going to happen

840
01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:35,920
building gets sold for housing, but if
we could somehow hang on to the use of

841
01:16:32,480 --> 01:16:42,320
the downstairs for town meetings and you
know town functions of any kind for that

842
01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:50,239
matter because um I mean you know it's
been said that we have the church next

843
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:56,080
And we do, but uh at least in my uh
judgment, that building needs a lot of

844
01:16:53,520 --> 01:17:02,719
expensive work to get it to the point
where this building pretty much already

845
01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:08,159
is in terms of year round viability and
you know, proper heating, lighting,

846
01:17:05,440 --> 01:17:12,640
everything else that you need for a you
know, usable, functional yearround

847
01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:20,159
space.
So that's just uh some thoughts.

848
01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:26,640
» Uh my name is David Roach. We moved here
basically in 22. So

849
01:17:24,480 --> 01:17:33,120
if this is going to be looked at at a
rental or a prospect for rental,

850
01:17:31,199 --> 01:17:38,640
who meets?
Is it one person, two people, or does

851
01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:43,840
the whole select board or would it be
you guys

852
01:17:40,480 --> 01:17:49,440
as a committee that's formed sit down
and talk to the individual or

853
01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:56,400
individuals interested in renting this?
So there's more. I don't know if we have

854
01:17:53,679 --> 01:18:01,760
other prospects that came forward and
who met with him or anything else, but

855
01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:10,000
my concern as a citizen that's lived
here and seen things that I don't

856
01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:14,880
necessarily agree with, but I believe if
you have prospects,

857
01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:20,640
there should be at minimum three people
sitting down, whether you meet with a

858
01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:28,719
realtor or an individual company or an
indiv individual person

859
01:18:23,440 --> 01:18:33,360
so that everybody there takes notes and
there's no bias.

860
01:18:31,199 --> 01:18:40,000
You ask you ask questions back and
forth. You get a final

861
01:18:36,719 --> 01:18:46,080
touch or feeling what that individual's
willing to pay or what they want. Does

862
01:18:43,440 --> 01:18:52,560
that make sense what I say?
>> Yeah. Cuz right now, who beats somebody

863
01:18:50,320 --> 01:18:58,719
if there was interest since this
building sent empty since last year? Who

864
01:18:56,400 --> 01:19:03,679
met with these people?
And I'm sure there was people that came

865
01:19:00,960 --> 01:19:08,000
because I've met people from other towns
that said they were interested in

866
01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:15,280
renting this building
and we haven't heard a thing. Whom who

867
01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:22,080
met with these people? I'm a taxpayer.
I'm interested in what's going on in our

868
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:25,840
area.
>> So are we Dave. I don't think any of us

869
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:29,679
are familiar with any of
>> Well, that's what I want to know.

870
01:19:27,280 --> 01:19:34,400
» Not that.
>> So I think it should be more than one

871
01:19:31,679 --> 01:19:39,120
individual or two individuals. It should
be a group or a committee just like

872
01:19:36,480 --> 01:19:46,239
that's already formed here or the whole
select committee

873
01:19:41,440 --> 01:19:53,120
or a large large percentage of people so
they can ask questions just like you're

874
01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:58,800
interviewing somebody for a position. Is
that understandable or am I out of line?

875
01:19:56,560 --> 01:20:02,880
» Do you mean what's a decision or do you
no individual say we put this out for a

876
01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:06,080
rental?
>> Right. So, but that would that's the

877
01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:07,600
part that's the part uh that we're
trying to figure out now.

878
01:20:06,960 --> 01:20:11,840
» Right. Right.
>> But what I'm saying is when we get to

879
01:20:09,440 --> 01:20:15,280
that point
>> should be one member of

880
01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:19,520
» one
more than one input

881
01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:22,000
trying to say
>> it should be a control.

882
01:20:21,679 --> 01:20:26,239
» Yeah.
>> So, so to come to

883
01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:29,760
» Yeah. I think an answer is appropriate
at this point.

884
01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:36,560
» Yeah. So my response is this committee's
job is not to go beyond helping us

885
01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:39,199
decide which option we want to pursue.
>> Right?

886
01:20:37,520 --> 01:20:43,600
» At the moment that their that charter
does not include that let's say the the

887
01:20:41,199 --> 01:20:48,159
the town decides they want to rent it
>> their charter does not include managing

888
01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:52,159
» the rental property.
>> But so at that point who would meet what

889
01:20:50,400 --> 01:20:57,199
the interested part was.
>> So the answer would be how do we want it

890
01:20:54,640 --> 01:21:02,719
right? If we do what kind of has been
the history, it falls in the domain.

891
01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:08,719
It's called fel in name name domain of
the select board. Uh Bruce has typically

892
01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:12,960
been on point. Uh I think we've only had
two tenants right since correct

893
01:21:10,719 --> 01:21:17,040
» since the time. One was some
>> a previous nursery school and subsequent

894
01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:21,040
nursery school. And I'm guessing you
were probably on point with those folks.

895
01:21:19,199 --> 01:21:22,800
But the select board ultimately reviewed
and signed up on the leases.

896
01:21:22,400 --> 01:21:27,520
» Yes,
>> we could continue that. We could decide

897
01:21:25,199 --> 01:21:31,040
to set up a a subcommittee, which I
think would be a great idea.

898
01:21:30,159 --> 01:21:33,600
» Change that.
>> Yeah.

899
01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:38,239
» Uh and you know, people could either get
voted to it, appointed to it, run,

900
01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:41,920
whatever. Doesn't have to be the select
court right now. I think legally it

901
01:21:40,480 --> 01:21:45,920
rests with the select board. The select
court could vote to delegate that

902
01:21:43,679 --> 01:21:48,480
authority to a subcommittee. We can do
it any way we want.

903
01:21:46,719 --> 01:21:50,239
» I think the select subcommittee.
>> So, first we have to decide. That's what

904
01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:53,040
we want to do.
>> Yeah. I mean a subcommittee would make

905
01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:56,000
more sense
>> than just one

906
01:21:53,840 --> 01:21:59,520
» than just one one person.
>> Sure. But we first have to decide is

907
01:21:57,600 --> 01:22:05,679
this the ravenue.
>> Well, from what we're hearing, the best

908
01:22:01,679 --> 01:22:11,120
thing that we know is um
from what I'm listening, not saying

909
01:22:07,360 --> 01:22:17,280
anything was everybody feels we can make
more money off a rental as per say

910
01:22:14,800 --> 01:22:21,040
selling it for commercial.
So, if you're going to have rentals or

911
01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:25,360
whatever,
>> you should have some type of

912
01:22:23,040 --> 01:22:27,280
subcommittee
over watching.

913
01:22:26,480 --> 01:22:28,639
» Sure.
>> What's going on?

914
01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:33,280
» Sure.
>> When and if we get to that point.

915
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:35,520
» Yeah. When we when you or us get there.
>> Yeah.

916
01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:40,320
» We have a lot of people who want to say
things. Um Marjorie first. Gary, you had

917
01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:45,280
your hand up. There were some other
hand. Barbara had her hand up. So, let's

918
01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:50,320
My brain can only handle so much at
once. How about Marjorie Gary Bar and

919
01:22:48,159 --> 01:22:53,760
then we'll redo at that point.
>> I just want to say I'm glad to hear that

920
01:22:51,760 --> 01:22:56,400
there has been interest that you know
people that have been interested because

921
01:22:54,800 --> 01:23:00,719
I haven't heard of I've only heard
stories of oh they came and they looked

922
01:22:58,239 --> 01:23:04,480
at it but now they can't. So it would be
great if we had some people that wanted

923
01:23:02,480 --> 01:23:08,800
to rent it.
>> Yeah, that's

924
01:23:06,880 --> 01:23:12,320
I was offended when they said that was
it the Windsor Housing Trust that they

925
01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:18,840
want to go someplace where there's
municipal services. But we have the best

926
01:23:15,520 --> 01:23:18,840
road crew.

927
01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:24,760
» That's true.

928
01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:38,320
» It's true.
>> Contractors in town that responded to a

929
01:23:35,679 --> 01:23:43,199
flood we had were spot was washed out
and they just came and fixed it in

930
01:23:40,880 --> 01:23:46,400
coordination with our town crew. I mean,
we have a lot of stuff going on here.

931
01:23:44,880 --> 01:23:50,400
That's good.
>> That was offensive.

932
01:23:48,400 --> 01:23:53,400
» Did you leave the chairs like out for a
second?

933
01:24:00,400 --> 01:24:03,560
» I'm sorry.

934
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:14,000
» Next.
>> Just to speak to Dave's point there. I

935
01:24:09,440 --> 01:24:20,000
have met with uh the supervisory union
and Bruce here to show they had they

936
01:24:17,120 --> 01:24:25,600
showed an interest um and were very
interested other than it doesn't have uh

937
01:24:23,199 --> 01:24:31,040
the right amount of fiber coming in for
their phone systems that they need. So

938
01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:38,159
that was a big downfall there as uh
tenants. Um, and then we showed it to

939
01:24:34,320 --> 01:24:44,320
Kindle Farm over the winter. Um and that
didn't amount to a call back

940
01:24:41,199 --> 01:24:51,679
but uh I have been talking with Bob TBO
the superintendent and he's spoken to um

941
01:24:48,320 --> 01:24:58,880
the CEO of Grace Cottage and they
they're kind of interested in trying to

942
01:24:53,760 --> 01:25:06,880
get like a co-op daycare for their
employees so that um and he was thinking

943
01:25:02,480 --> 01:25:10,159
of our facility just for
But that would be, you know, it would

944
01:25:08,400 --> 01:25:17,440
have to be advertised. See if there was
an interest in um, you know, evidently

945
01:25:13,440 --> 01:25:22,040
they had enough families that need child
care. Um, or

946
01:25:22,480 --> 01:25:31,719
yeah.
Um, but anyway, that is so that's just

947
01:25:27,440 --> 01:25:31,719
how he started. It was just show.

948
01:25:34,960 --> 01:25:42,000
» Anybody else? Stanley.
>> Yeah, just two quick comments. Uh the

949
01:25:39,520 --> 01:25:48,320
numbers that uh Andrea and myself spoke
about from the realtors. Um

950
01:25:45,840 --> 01:25:53,840
I I know the numbers that I got from the
realtor that I asked me consider is not

951
01:25:51,120 --> 01:25:59,280
a number that I support as an
individual, but they're they're they

952
01:25:56,400 --> 01:26:03,040
sell it real estate and have for years.
So they they've come up with those

953
01:26:00,639 --> 01:26:06,960
numbers. I I'm not saying I support that
and I hope I don't create that

954
01:26:04,320 --> 01:26:11,199
impression. I think at one point in one
of the meetings, Michael Seaton asked me

955
01:26:09,199 --> 01:26:15,840
what I thought the property was worth
and he probably thought I was crazy uh

956
01:26:13,440 --> 01:26:19,040
at the time. I and I'm not gonna I don't
think I should say the number because I

957
01:26:17,760 --> 01:26:22,960
don't want to influence anything any
anybody anyway.

958
01:26:20,639 --> 01:26:28,080
» In regard to easements, I all I can say
is this. I appraised the property for 26

959
01:26:26,400 --> 01:26:34,400
years.
Not one appraisal, but I did over that

960
01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:38,320
26-year period had an easement like the
easement we have here at the town

961
01:26:36,159 --> 01:26:43,920
office. And that tells me something. I
don't have to analyze it. They just look

962
01:26:40,239 --> 01:26:48,880
at nobody. So, whatever anyone's
opinions are, they're they're an opinion

963
01:26:45,440 --> 01:26:52,800
of your of yourselves, ourselves. Uh and
and and so that's that's all I have to

964
01:26:51,040 --> 01:26:57,120
say. I think it's important to keep in
mind too that the family that has the

965
01:26:54,960 --> 01:27:00,639
easement on that property also donated
the property for where the town office

966
01:26:59,199 --> 01:27:05,920
now sits, right?
>> So, you know, that's an important part

967
01:27:03,280 --> 01:27:11,679
of the equation to keep in mind.
>> Can I ask a question? I would love to

968
01:27:07,760 --> 01:27:16,320
hear um what everybody thinks should be
done. Does the town need a building like

969
01:27:13,920 --> 01:27:21,440
this be a town office? Should it be a
community center? Should it be a daycare

970
01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:26,520
center? Does anyone have any ideas that
we should be looking at that we have not

971
01:27:23,199 --> 01:27:26,520
yet explored?

972
01:27:29,679 --> 01:27:37,280
» I think it should be a
pushing not really long since we last

973
01:27:34,560 --> 01:27:42,880
pulled back closed but just because I
hear young families that are in need to

974
01:27:40,239 --> 01:27:47,520
go to work and have to go to Brad,
>> right? go to grab her and then come back

975
01:27:44,639 --> 01:27:52,639
up the valley to go to work at either
the hospital where

976
01:27:50,560 --> 01:27:57,920
» Johnny
what was the event that the school was

977
01:27:54,480 --> 01:28:02,320
paying you what were those
>> 24 and change a month and change

978
01:28:01,760 --> 01:28:06,560
» I mean
>> plus plus they picked up fair amount of

979
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:10,400
expenses obviously utilities utilities
I'm just thinking thinking outside the

980
01:28:08,639 --> 01:28:14,719
box here if the town developed this
property for say rental units you Could

981
01:28:13,040 --> 01:28:18,719
you fit three or four rental units in
here? And there's not a rental unit

982
01:28:16,719 --> 01:28:22,800
that's not going for less than 1,500.
You know, you could, you know, obviously

983
01:28:20,480 --> 01:28:26,800
there's a there's a cost to getting it
up to that level, but you know, there's

984
01:28:25,280 --> 01:28:30,159
a lot of clamoring for low-inccome
housing. Not that that's low-inccome

985
01:28:28,639 --> 01:28:34,320
housing, but there is really no housing
of any sort available for people. So, I

986
01:28:32,719 --> 01:28:39,679
mean, it that would be a much bigger
commitment for the town to make this

987
01:28:36,159 --> 01:28:43,600
into a property. But it is if there is a
large enough demand in the town not to

988
01:28:41,760 --> 01:28:46,639
sell the property but to rent it. That
could be an option worth that could be a

989
01:28:45,199 --> 01:28:51,040
fifth option you were thinking about
which is investigating the cost of

990
01:28:48,639 --> 01:28:55,679
turning this into whatever feasible
amount of rental properties. I'm

991
01:28:53,840 --> 01:29:00,080
guessing you would like a scenario like
that would be somehow somehow granted

992
01:28:58,480 --> 01:29:05,280
grant dependent because I mean you're
talking about a big town investment in a

993
01:29:02,639 --> 01:29:08,560
high risk to overinvest in this building
and hope that you know that you get a

994
01:29:07,199 --> 01:29:13,440
payback
>> and there really aren't there

995
01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:17,920
rental units.
>> Correct. Right. I mean I can't really

996
01:29:15,840 --> 01:29:21,679
think of them. So I don't know just
thought right

997
01:29:19,280 --> 01:29:24,880
» Lori you were next. Fran I saw your hand
up. Marne, I saw your hand. So there's

998
01:29:23,679 --> 01:29:31,679
next three.
>> Um I'm really torn um as to what should

999
01:29:29,440 --> 01:29:39,679
happen with a building. I went to school
here when it was just really a one room

1000
01:29:34,080 --> 01:29:46,719
school. Um and I realized the need for
daycare. I also like the idea of elder

1001
01:29:42,880 --> 01:29:54,800
care. Um even our own local, you know,
it was a very small kitchen. Um but you

1002
01:29:50,400 --> 01:30:01,360
know even some senior meals um again you
know some

1003
01:29:57,760 --> 01:30:05,600
community meetings um there's a lot of
uh those of you who don't know we hope

1004
01:30:03,920 --> 01:30:12,239
formed a new history group for the town
of Brooklyn uh and trying to preserve

1005
01:30:09,920 --> 01:30:15,440
our our Brooklyn history and there's no
place to keep that you can't keep it in

1006
01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:18,320
the round schoolhouse because it's not
temperature controlled same way the

1007
01:30:17,120 --> 01:30:25,120
meeting
There is there is a drill in the town

1008
01:30:21,920 --> 01:30:31,520
office for that. Um, so we have a wealth
of historical information that sits in

1009
01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:36,880
cardboard boxes and is kind of
>> done here,

1010
01:30:32,320 --> 01:30:41,440
» right? And this could also be um a point
for people to and people come all the

1011
01:30:39,760 --> 01:30:48,639
time from the round schoolhouse for
chore, but we can't keep that material

1012
01:30:44,480 --> 01:30:53,199
in there year round because it's it's
>> kind of falling apart. um the

1013
01:30:51,199 --> 01:30:58,320
materialist. So I mean I I'm really
torn, but then at the same time I'm like

1014
01:30:55,840 --> 01:31:05,360
we could use the revenue as a town as as
tax base uh and we can also use it like

1015
01:31:02,480 --> 01:31:11,120
Johnny had suggested you know lower uh
people's tax base for however many years

1016
01:31:08,800 --> 01:31:17,679
based on whatever we get lower price.
So, I I mean I I'm really torn. Um

1017
01:31:15,840 --> 01:31:24,080
but I think we have to look to make a
decision at the numbers. The the bottom

1018
01:31:21,520 --> 01:31:28,960
line is numbers and who's going to
maintain this building. I think Cruz

1019
01:31:25,920 --> 01:31:35,120
right now you do a lot of this as
volunteer and Mark um

1020
01:31:32,080 --> 01:31:39,679
» it's a lot to be responsible for to
maintain and so I mean eventually that's

1021
01:31:38,239 --> 01:31:43,199
going to have to really be a serious
line item in the budget town budget is

1022
01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:47,560
maintaining their
>> and I in my modeling I'm assum

1023
01:31:47,600 --> 01:31:55,520
the labor
>> and we're volunteers in the town you

1024
01:31:51,520 --> 01:32:00,080
know it's great to see new new people
involved is very appreciated. So

1025
01:31:58,438 --> 01:32:06,080
[clears throat] that's where I stand.
>> Tran, you're next. And then Marty,

1026
01:32:02,639 --> 01:32:11,520
» I was thinking along the lines of
housing also to be able to convert this

1027
01:32:09,600 --> 01:32:20,480
into
housing or apartments for people want to

1028
01:32:15,760 --> 01:32:26,800
population here in the town. Um, do we
want to be uh landlords? Does the town

1029
01:32:23,360 --> 01:32:31,199
want to be a landlord or can we get the
governor wants

1030
01:32:28,960 --> 01:32:35,280
his whole thing is let's get more people
here and there aren't enough housing.

1031
01:32:33,520 --> 01:32:39,120
There's not enough livable space for
people.

1032
01:32:37,280 --> 01:32:46,080
Aren't they supporting that up in the
Burlington area? and and and you know,

1033
01:32:43,520 --> 01:32:54,239
could that be funding that we could get
here to convert it into livable units

1034
01:32:50,800 --> 01:32:59,040
for the town to do it for to get um
funding from the state.

1035
01:32:57,040 --> 01:33:04,880
We're looking into those. The problem
with that kind of grants, it's a long

1036
01:33:01,440 --> 01:33:09,199
process. So maybe, you know, it's
competitive. Maybe we could. I mean,

1037
01:33:07,440 --> 01:33:14,159
there's certainly grant money out there.
It's just it's not a quick fix if we're

1038
01:33:12,800 --> 01:33:20,280
looking for a quick fix.
>> A lot of the grants are sort of seed

1039
01:33:15,600 --> 01:33:20,280
money. They're they're not $50,000

1040
01:33:20,639 --> 01:33:30,920
18month process and paperwork and so
forth to get $50,000 or just see money

1041
01:33:26,719 --> 01:33:30,920
and then you got to go find other money.

1042
01:33:31,449 --> 01:33:33,469
[clears throat]

1043
01:33:36,880 --> 01:33:45,920
Um, like I was just thinking it would be
so it looks I'm guessing that I'm more

1044
01:33:43,120 --> 01:33:50,880
um it looks like you're taking notes. I
was thinking it would be so nice to I'm

1045
01:33:48,719 --> 01:33:55,600
sure they'll be somewhere that we can
buy someday. But wouldn't it be nice if

1046
01:33:53,280 --> 01:34:01,120
I go home and you'll say, "Oh, my buddy
John Doe would totally buy this for a

1047
01:33:58,320 --> 01:34:06,400
million dollars." And yes, I can talk to
people, but if I could go online to a

1048
01:34:02,960 --> 01:34:12,560
Wikipedia and say, "My buddy so and so
would like this property for personal

1049
01:34:09,280 --> 01:34:16,960
house, what?" And then I think it could
get this much. And then,

1050
01:34:15,440 --> 01:34:20,400
you know, we could go through the list
of everybody's ideas of what they want

1051
01:34:18,960 --> 01:34:26,159
or what they actually think are
plausible and somebody could check it

1052
01:34:22,639 --> 01:34:32,239
off. No, Warney's friend John Doe was a
a dead not interested, but at least

1053
01:34:29,520 --> 01:34:38,320
there'd be a list of all the ideas and
then you know how they were followed up

1054
01:34:35,679 --> 01:34:44,239
or not followed up, who the realtor was,
who wasn't um

1055
01:34:42,159 --> 01:34:48,400
yeah, just so that everybody everybody
in the town, not the people who are

1056
01:34:46,000 --> 01:34:54,639
here. I don't know if that's a big
bureaucratic ask to have a website like

1057
01:34:51,280 --> 01:34:57,520
that or not. Sure.
>> Yeah,

1058
01:34:55,199 --> 01:35:01,760
» there is a vast majority of that in the
minutes from every meeting because in

1059
01:34:59,679 --> 01:35:07,920
the minutes we are discussing who's
contacted who, who's making progress

1060
01:35:04,719 --> 01:35:14,719
with what and so it's not a full list,
but it is a great deal of what we're

1061
01:35:11,920 --> 01:35:19,120
doing. Every single meeting is
>> people would prefer that there's a

1062
01:35:16,239 --> 01:35:24,639
gatekeeper to that. But I was also going
to give you nice if they could be more

1063
01:35:20,960 --> 01:35:30,880
of a Wikipedia style except maybe not
>> deletable or something.

1064
01:35:26,719 --> 01:35:34,560
» It's easier to to list.
>> Second thing is we have a web designer

1065
01:35:32,800 --> 01:35:40,000
in our midst.
>> We have a p we have all our meetings

1066
01:35:36,800 --> 01:35:44,639
everybody on one page and agenda.
>> We also an email address but anyone can

1067
01:35:42,960 --> 01:35:49,679
and I keep putting it out there. anyone
is can mail us ideas on this email

1068
01:35:47,120 --> 01:35:52,480
address and then we could sort of uh
compile those and share those with

1069
01:35:51,600 --> 01:35:57,280
everybody.
>> I I would add too you guys meet every

1070
01:35:54,400 --> 01:36:00,800
two weeks on Tuesday. So the meetings
are open to the public.

1071
01:35:58,639 --> 01:36:05,600
» We would love people to show up.
>> So that's another avenue.

1072
01:36:03,280 --> 01:36:11,760
» Um let's see. Are we Yes, we are. My
three green here Danny and then Bruce

1073
01:36:08,159 --> 01:36:17,760
and did I see and Carrie? Um, this isn't
exactly addressing your question on what

1074
01:36:14,800 --> 01:36:21,840
I want. I think there's a lot of ideas
here that are really exciting, but

1075
01:36:20,080 --> 01:36:26,080
mostly I just wanted to thank each and
every one of you for stepping up to do

1076
01:36:23,760 --> 01:36:30,760
this. And I'm asking you through the
process when we met

1077
01:36:32,719 --> 01:36:42,320
» when we met down in the basement six,
nine months ago. And it was, you know, a

1078
01:36:40,159 --> 01:36:46,480
lot of ideas were thrown out and this
committee wasn't even an idea then. Or

1079
01:36:44,400 --> 01:36:51,280
maybe it was. I didn't know what this
committee got made as a product of that

1080
01:36:49,199 --> 01:36:56,880
meeting. And I have seen them follow
through on everything we suggested that

1081
01:36:55,199 --> 01:37:02,960
day. Well, what about this? What about
that? And each one of these individuals

1082
01:36:59,040 --> 01:37:08,239
I know has researched to know in what
the plausibility of whatever we have

1083
01:37:05,119 --> 01:37:12,480
brought forward to them. and so which
has only made it that much more

1084
01:37:09,600 --> 01:37:17,119
complicated. Okay, [laughter]
>> think not done but mostly just wanted to

1085
01:37:15,040 --> 01:37:22,320
say thank you and I see the dedication
and the hard work and I also see how

1086
01:37:20,560 --> 01:37:25,760
heated this can be because everybody
kind of has their opinion about what

1087
01:37:23,840 --> 01:37:29,600
they want but you all have done a really
good job at staying neutral and just

1088
01:37:27,760 --> 01:37:32,920
reporting facts. So thank you.
>> Thanks Danny.

1089
01:37:35,840 --> 01:37:41,600
commit to quickly say it's been a
wonderful committee to be on. I've been

1090
01:37:39,119 --> 01:37:46,400
on a lot of conflict.
This is a great one in every way.

1091
01:37:43,760 --> 01:37:50,800
Everybody contributes in their own way
and we all work together very very well.

1092
01:37:48,719 --> 01:37:56,560
So, it's been a lot of fun. But I'm glad
that when Mike and Emily hired us, so

1093
01:37:54,320 --> 01:38:01,920
picked us out. Um they said there is an
end date and it's November 2nd is when

1094
01:37:59,920 --> 01:38:05,679
the general election is, which is when
we'd like to ask the taxpayers of

1095
01:38:03,679 --> 01:38:11,840
Brooklyn what they would like. So now
we're wrestling with that is how do we

1096
01:38:08,080 --> 01:38:15,840
word a ballot and how do can we do it in
one ballot and you know that's what

1097
01:38:13,600 --> 01:38:20,159
we're up against now. So the deadline
was very appealing

1098
01:38:18,400 --> 01:38:26,159
» and this would be Australian ballot
correct. So townwide voting on

1099
01:38:23,520 --> 01:38:30,560
» we'd have to warn 30 days in advance
October 2nd

1100
01:38:28,400 --> 01:38:34,960
the steps have been taken to allow that
to happen. So Bruce, you were next and

1101
01:38:33,840 --> 01:38:39,280
then Carrie.
>> Well,

1102
01:38:36,880 --> 01:38:44,639
I'd like to see this healthy process
continue and conclude at some point.

1103
01:38:42,880 --> 01:38:49,199
There's some a lot of things I found
very interesting

1104
01:38:46,639 --> 01:38:54,320
and some things I'll
read for it. But that's not for me for

1105
01:38:51,760 --> 01:38:59,199
now. I like I said, I want to see the
process go and keep on going.

1106
01:38:57,520 --> 01:39:03,840
What I really want to address is this
daycare issue that keeps popping up.

1107
01:39:01,840 --> 01:39:09,760
And it was said that Kindle school came
here. Yeah. They were interested about

1108
01:39:06,560 --> 01:39:17,040
eight or 10 kids going here. Yes. The
WCSU came here both times. Both both of

1109
01:39:13,920 --> 01:39:22,239
both groups. What was not
TBO came with his tech person and his

1110
01:39:20,480 --> 01:39:28,080
and his building person who takes care
of all the buildings for we met for an

1111
01:39:25,360 --> 01:39:33,199
hour and a half. And I saw very little
interest in a daycare. But what

1112
01:39:31,280 --> 01:39:37,520
everybody is not knowing hasn't been
mentioned because I only mentioned it

1113
01:39:35,440 --> 01:39:41,679
last week at the selection meeting
because Mary called me out on it in a

1114
01:39:39,440 --> 01:39:46,320
nice way. I didn't know about this and I
thought that you guys did know about it

1115
01:39:43,920 --> 01:39:53,040
but it was I wasn't even going to bring
it up but then I was told no you got it

1116
01:39:50,800 --> 01:39:56,320
» and I was I had met
>> Okay, sure.

1117
01:39:54,560 --> 01:40:02,239
» Okay.
because I met with uh the people that

1118
01:39:58,320 --> 01:40:06,719
own Pumpkin Patch in in Putney and they
are presently at the Putney in

1119
01:40:05,440 --> 01:40:09,760
» that's a daycare.
>> Yes.

1120
01:40:08,000 --> 01:40:15,840
» And how that was presented to me because
I got an email from Stephanie who was in

1121
01:40:13,280 --> 01:40:21,600
that office for many years for Sunny
Lane Daycare and she is a human resource

1122
01:40:18,480 --> 01:40:25,840
person for that daycare. So we set up a
meeting. They came over. I want to say

1123
01:40:24,000 --> 01:40:31,600
two and a half, three weeks together.
And it only m it only managed to be

1124
01:40:29,040 --> 01:40:38,320
about 40 minutes. It was kind of weird
because I knew the woman and she goes to

1125
01:40:35,679 --> 01:40:45,920
my church, but I never really had
conversation with her. So we uh between

1126
01:40:41,920 --> 01:40:50,960
myself, the two her I don't even know
remember her name, her husband and

1127
01:40:47,920 --> 01:40:59,760
Stephanie, we all had a a very pretty
quick uh sing to the choir conversation

1128
01:40:54,639 --> 01:41:03,040
about daycarees and their reaction was
they would they got to go someplace but

1129
01:41:01,600 --> 01:41:09,520
they didn't feel that they could do it
here for a lot of reasons which I don't

1130
01:41:05,679 --> 01:41:14,880
think it's necessary for me to go in to
every specific reason. But it daycarees

1131
01:41:12,960 --> 01:41:20,239
have not worked in this town. It's been
proven. It's been proven by two Let me

1132
01:41:17,600 --> 01:41:25,760
finish police
>> by two confident

1133
01:41:22,639 --> 01:41:30,320
people. The second one, Susie Cudamar, I
remember when I first talked to her, she

1134
01:41:27,760 --> 01:41:35,840
was hot. She was so excited to be in
this building. And every one of her

1135
01:41:32,880 --> 01:41:40,880
personnel that was here four years will
be four years now. I think this January

1136
01:41:39,040 --> 01:41:44,239
gone by the time they left they had
problem with personnel. They had a

1137
01:41:42,560 --> 01:41:48,960
problem with getting kids here. They had
problem with cost expenses. It goes on

1138
01:41:46,480 --> 01:41:54,480
and on. So it's not a very simple
process to to get a daycare and has what

1139
01:41:52,080 --> 01:41:57,920
has to be considered is all the cost
when you say we're going to have a

1140
01:41:55,760 --> 01:42:04,080
daycare committee here. Well, what has
to happen is they have to find out what

1141
01:42:00,880 --> 01:42:09,679
the costs are to run a daycare and also
in conjunction with the state and that's

1142
01:42:07,199 --> 01:42:15,239
just the facts of life and those two
very competent daycarees hold out.

1143
01:42:17,199 --> 01:42:28,560
I I just want to point out I don't think
that it's typical for a municipality

1144
01:42:23,600 --> 01:42:35,600
to generate and or create housing and
then manager

1145
01:42:31,600 --> 01:42:41,920
uh having a couple rental houses and I
uh I can't imagine a select board member

1146
01:42:39,760 --> 01:42:49,520
wanting to to think that on top of
everything publicly know is our building

1147
01:42:45,679 --> 01:42:55,040
commissioner and just the the work he
has is is staggering to begin with.

1148
01:42:52,880 --> 01:43:00,880
just to add something like that and the
multiple personalities. It's

1149
01:42:58,400 --> 01:43:06,239
» it would if we decided that this should
be housing then I hate to say it but the

1150
01:43:04,400 --> 01:43:13,360
the way to go would be to sell the
building and and the buyer manage it

1151
01:43:11,280 --> 01:43:21,800
» get into if you're going to do that
instability of people

1152
01:43:17,119 --> 01:43:21,800
that would be somebody's headache

1153
01:43:22,159 --> 01:43:25,159
» right

1154
01:43:25,520 --> 01:43:37,280
» I just wanted to add this information
that I don't know for statue but if you

1155
01:43:33,760 --> 01:43:45,280
do sell this building and we keep the
meeting house um the the septic system

1156
01:43:40,880 --> 01:43:51,440
is probably 150 years old. So
we probably start using that building

1157
01:43:48,000 --> 01:43:55,600
for more population. You probably have
to upgrade the septic system

1158
01:43:54,159 --> 01:43:58,600
» and drill a well
>> because

1159
01:43:58,639 --> 01:44:11,360
» and I believe you can only I believe a a
well has to be 200 ft from the reach of

1160
01:44:05,840 --> 01:44:16,560
your license. So with that in mind that
narrows down

1161
01:44:14,159 --> 01:44:21,920
» some of that,
>> you know, rental if you were going to

1162
01:44:18,639 --> 01:44:32,000
rent it, I feel like there's
capabilities of getting enough money

1163
01:44:26,080 --> 01:44:36,560
so that the income pays for an upkeeper,
you know, somebody maintain stuff.

1164
01:44:35,360 --> 01:44:42,960
Yes. So,
>> but again, Brooklyn is a very nice

1165
01:44:40,239 --> 01:44:49,520
actually highly soughtafter place to
live. So, whatever we do, we shouldn't

1166
01:44:46,719 --> 01:44:57,040
give it away.
>> I believe Johnny nailed it. I stand

1167
01:44:53,119 --> 01:45:00,040
behind John's opinion 100%.
>> And

1168
01:45:01,040 --> 01:45:10,560
it's a great asset. All of our buildings
are great assets.

1169
01:45:07,280 --> 01:45:14,280
There's a lot of potential here.
>> It's all on you, Jen.

1170
01:45:17,360 --> 01:45:25,920
» Uh,
yeah. Um, I just worry that uh I I know

1171
01:45:22,719 --> 01:45:34,800
there's a trying need in this area and
the entire state probably for housing

1172
01:45:29,840 --> 01:45:44,719
that's affordable for a working family.
Um, or even a working person, couple. Um

1173
01:45:40,400 --> 01:45:51,840
but my fear is that what gets built
generally is if left to their own

1174
01:45:48,320 --> 01:45:55,840
devices to developers is what will make
them the most money

1175
01:45:53,600 --> 01:45:59,600
» which is probably a big fancy vacation
home or something like that. I don't

1176
01:45:57,920 --> 01:46:03,920
know if we sell this property for
housing we're going to necessarily get

1177
01:46:01,440 --> 01:46:10,560
the kind of housing we necessarily need
and watch it. So that's what concerns me

1178
01:46:07,600 --> 01:46:14,880
about they're selling this property and
losing complete control over what

1179
01:46:12,480 --> 01:46:21,440
happens. I think just throw in that's a
great point and the folks in South New

1180
01:46:19,199 --> 01:46:26,080
to find get opinion from a very
responsible developer who had done

1181
01:46:23,520 --> 01:46:30,159
projects that they liked very consistent
historically

1182
01:46:27,679 --> 01:46:36,480
constant community and somebody who had
some kind of a social

1183
01:46:32,480 --> 01:46:41,440
motivation as well like this. Yes. But
again, that's excuse me uh sort of a

1184
01:46:39,600 --> 01:46:46,800
different very different scenario than
what we got here. To my mind at least

1185
01:46:43,119 --> 01:46:50,558
that was a church that they want to
convert to housing and what we're

1186
01:46:48,320 --> 01:46:53,520
talking about here is I don't know a
[clears throat] much building and a

1187
01:46:52,000 --> 01:47:01,760
larger piece of property. I don't know.
I don't know if it compares us, but

1188
01:46:57,360 --> 01:47:08,480
» Bruce comment and we have no zoning in
town and it's 1,000% correct. If we sell

1189
01:47:05,280 --> 01:47:13,119
it to the developer, my they can do
whatever the hell they want. If they

1190
01:47:10,400 --> 01:47:17,520
sell it with land, eeny meeny miny mo,
they can do whatever they want on this

1191
01:47:15,119 --> 01:47:20,480
land and the story. You're right about
the management department. We don't

1192
01:47:19,040 --> 01:47:25,199
agree much, Carrie, but we agree on
that. So I think we need to spend the

1193
01:47:22,480 --> 01:47:30,560
time and let the this is my opinion and
doesn't happen often but we do it right.

1194
01:47:27,679 --> 01:47:34,960
We got to let the committee do its due
diligence. When it's all said and done

1195
01:47:33,280 --> 01:47:40,320
we have another meeting, maybe another
second meeting. Hammer it out.

1196
01:47:38,800 --> 01:47:45,360
» Okay,
you were next and then Mike.

1197
01:47:42,159 --> 01:47:52,880
» Well, it was I don't know. I was trying
to think of this, but just in reference

1198
01:47:47,840 --> 01:48:01,920
to the new fame, um they also have other
town buildings like meeting spaces, the

1199
01:47:57,760 --> 01:48:03,679
town hall, Williamsville Hall. Um is
there like a

1200
01:48:02,880 --> 01:48:12,320
» grandchild
>> the south new school has

1201
01:48:08,080 --> 01:48:19,440
» so for if one so they have more
buildings than they do to work with if

1202
01:48:17,119 --> 01:48:26,400
they wanted to change one of the housing
they still have all these other

1203
01:48:21,760 --> 01:48:31,719
buildings that are possible to use for
residents or towns all.

1204
01:48:32,960 --> 01:48:40,239
» Absolutely.
>> I was going to say I I agree with Bruce

1205
01:48:38,560 --> 01:48:45,360
what he said and what he said about
everybody else that said stop.

1206
01:48:43,280 --> 01:48:50,800
But I think as far as this committee is
concerned, okay, at the end of the day,

1207
01:48:48,239 --> 01:48:55,440
uh whatever what what this group is
going to be doing is what kind of what

1208
01:48:52,639 --> 01:49:00,880
you're doing is flagging risks. they are
not going to be able to resolve those

1209
01:48:58,960 --> 01:49:05,199
risks, right? It's going to be in the
implementation to manage those risk. So

1210
01:49:02,960 --> 01:49:09,119
if we go down a rental path,
>> this committee will have benefits and

1211
01:49:07,440 --> 01:49:11,520
risks identified.
>> But when we if we elect to go down that

1212
01:49:11,040 --> 01:49:14,639
path
>> exactly

1213
01:49:11,920 --> 01:49:18,400
» then who when we implement is when we're
going to have to manage those risks

1214
01:49:16,159 --> 01:49:22,239
optimally. They they won't be able to
solve them. Just identify them as you

1215
01:49:21,199 --> 01:49:24,239
are partially here.
>> Right.

1216
01:49:23,119 --> 01:49:27,679
» Okay.
Uh, I'm just worried that November 2nd

1217
01:49:26,320 --> 01:49:33,520
is going to be too soon.
>> I know it will soon.

1218
01:49:30,480 --> 01:49:38,400
» In my opinion, I think it would be good
to let everybody cook on this. I know

1219
01:49:35,840 --> 01:49:44,639
the money's pouring out the windows, but
if it could wait until March,

1220
01:49:42,480 --> 01:49:48,159
» you know, it would give people what if
someone did come along so they wanted to

1221
01:49:46,320 --> 01:49:53,600
rent it and you already said, "No, we're
going to tear the boat down." solid, but

1222
01:49:51,199 --> 01:49:58,080
it would give people to look around a
little bit more and think about it a

1223
01:49:55,040 --> 01:50:03,840
little bit more instead of rushing into,
you know, a rock solid decision. I would

1224
01:50:00,880 --> 01:50:08,639
prefer to see it wait until March the
town meeting and then you'd have plenty

1225
01:50:06,159 --> 01:50:13,360
of time to draw your
ideas and the pros and cons of all the

1226
01:50:11,520 --> 01:50:17,520
options.
Maybe you could have a

1227
01:50:15,199 --> 01:50:23,436
» a voting on like what are the preferred
options and then let it cook over the

1228
01:50:21,119 --> 01:50:28,080
winter and say okay March
[clears throat]

1229
01:50:24,560 --> 01:50:32,960
» trying to decide in March that's just
>> okay

1230
01:50:30,639 --> 01:50:35,679
» November's
too soon but March is too late in my

1231
01:50:34,960 --> 01:50:40,719
opinion
>> you can hold a special election

1232
01:50:37,679 --> 01:50:44,800
» that's correct if you were thinking of
Australian ballot

1233
01:50:42,639 --> 01:50:51,440
That's something that could happen prior
to town meeting, but later on

1234
01:50:49,520 --> 01:50:55,760
consideration what you're saying.
>> Also, if uh over the, you know, over the

1235
01:50:53,920 --> 01:51:00,320
holiday season, if there was anyone that
wanted to do a popup rental, have

1236
01:50:57,520 --> 01:51:04,000
workshop in here for something holiday
or something,

1237
01:51:01,760 --> 01:51:09,440
» you know, that's just
a side. But

1238
01:51:05,520 --> 01:51:15,679
» Le's volunteering for that.
Well, actually, I just had a thought uh

1239
01:51:12,000 --> 01:51:20,239
pop into my head. Angel um
charge with the team out of Johnston

1240
01:51:17,679 --> 01:51:25,760
because the West Summerson school is
similar size to this building and they

1241
01:51:23,199 --> 01:51:30,400
actually they tried I don't know how
well it's worked out. Um they use it as

1242
01:51:27,840 --> 01:51:34,080
more of a community center. Um and I
don't know if that's been you know how

1243
01:51:32,000 --> 01:51:40,719
that's worked out for the town. It might
be worth um another avenue for

1244
01:51:38,400 --> 01:51:45,840
Isn't it? Didn't the library just become
the community center? Oh, wait. No,

1245
01:51:42,639 --> 01:51:48,480
that's me. Not
>> was

1246
01:51:46,880 --> 01:51:50,400
» it's Yeah, it's in the same building.
>> It's in the same building.

1247
01:51:49,840 --> 01:51:55,119
» Okay.
>> But the library was able to expand

1248
01:51:52,400 --> 01:51:58,480
through the library used to just be in
one room.

1249
01:51:57,119 --> 01:52:01,760
» Okay. Okay.
>> Yeah. I haven't been there in a while.

1250
01:51:59,920 --> 01:52:06,480
People rented it a long time ago for,
you know, a little event. So,

1251
01:52:03,920 --> 01:52:09,040
» isn't it privately owned?
It was when I

1252
01:52:07,920 --> 01:52:12,000
» I I do not
>> Bob Johnson.

1253
01:52:10,639 --> 01:52:15,119
» It might be by [clears throat] some sort
of nonprofit. I don't know.

1254
01:52:13,199 --> 01:52:16,960
» I don't know. Well, he's he's no longer
with us.

1255
01:52:15,520 --> 01:52:19,520
» No, thanks.
>> Suggestion.

1256
01:52:18,717 --> 01:52:23,840
[clears throat]
>> Just a quick suggestion. I understand

1257
01:52:22,000 --> 01:52:29,199
what you're saying, Pat. And you're
right in one respect because we're rigid

1258
01:52:27,040 --> 01:52:34,000
on or there was a thought of being rigid
of having it on election day and it was

1259
01:52:32,159 --> 01:52:38,367
already answered that we could have an
Australian ballot anytime. I I think we

1260
01:52:36,560 --> 01:52:42,159
should do the September 12th meeting.
[clears throat] Pash it out more. See

1261
01:52:39,920 --> 01:52:45,360
where we sit September 12th to
September. September 12th. Maybe we

1262
01:52:44,159 --> 01:52:50,560
could have another meeting the first
week in October. Let's breathe a little

1263
01:52:48,080 --> 01:52:55,440
bit. Let's get all the ideas out. Let's
talk it out and see what And I want to

1264
01:52:53,440 --> 01:52:59,520
make one last point. Everybody said,
"Well, oh, I have all my personal

1265
01:52:57,199 --> 01:53:05,360
interests. I have this personal." I
wonder what you think what's in the best

1266
01:53:02,480 --> 01:53:11,679
interest for the town of Brookline for a
hundred years.

1267
01:53:07,599 --> 01:53:16,560
Go home with that and then we can visit
on the 12th, maybe have another meeting

1268
01:53:13,679 --> 01:53:20,239
after that and see what comes out of it.
One thing to keep in mind about

1269
01:53:18,320 --> 01:53:23,760
Australian ballot on the day of town
meeting, it can't be held in the same

1270
01:53:22,000 --> 01:53:28,400
building.
>> That's town meeting which would require

1271
01:53:26,320 --> 01:53:33,440
a town clerk to be down at the office
and not ready. That's just it. Because

1272
01:53:31,679 --> 01:53:36,320
we've done that before. You're lying. I
had to go down.

1273
01:53:34,400 --> 01:53:40,960
» This is why when Newane votes their
officers uh their select men and their

1274
01:53:39,280 --> 01:53:46,480
listers and things, they do it by
Australian ballot. But it has to be done

1275
01:53:43,520 --> 01:53:50,320
building separate from where their home
that's the law [clears throat]

1276
01:53:48,719 --> 01:53:54,320
» which makes it kind of hard because you
can't you can't talk about during the

1277
01:53:52,560 --> 01:53:59,360
town meeting you can't talk about the
article that is being voted on in the

1278
01:53:57,119 --> 01:54:02,400
other building. So
>> from the select board standpoint you may

1279
01:54:01,040 --> 01:54:08,960
want to separate those two things.
>> Well you're you're that and the fact

1280
01:54:05,520 --> 01:54:12,880
that we really don't want to do this in
town meeting maybe a separate meeting.

1281
01:54:11,360 --> 01:54:19,520
It's kind of like when we separated the
school, but this the school when they

1282
01:54:15,920 --> 01:54:25,040
join joined with the WCSU, we now go
have a school uh meeting at in the town

1283
01:54:22,480 --> 01:54:29,520
hall in the town building, you know,
town meeting every March. And that's

1284
01:54:27,520 --> 01:54:34,000
save has saved time and our time has
gone down from when I first came on the

1285
01:54:32,080 --> 01:54:38,480
board, we were there at 10:00 in the
morning and that people meeting I got

1286
01:54:35,599 --> 01:54:42,960
elected. We were done at 33. Yeah. Now
it's two and a half hours and Gary's not

1287
01:54:40,960 --> 01:54:48,639
going to let us get past two hours of
this turn.

1288
01:54:46,800 --> 01:54:53,119
» Okay, I haven't even looked at the
watch, but

1289
01:54:50,000 --> 01:54:56,960
» we've got minutes.
>> Go ahead. Everybody who wants to talk

1290
01:54:55,040 --> 01:55:01,119
needs to know. So,
>> just trying to listen to everything that

1291
01:54:58,800 --> 01:55:07,199
everybody say and I don't think I have
an opinion as far as um what exactly

1292
01:55:04,560 --> 01:55:12,320
should be done, but I have two things.
One, I would like to see if we can give

1293
01:55:09,760 --> 01:55:18,000
more parking to the meeting hall if
we're going to eventually

1294
01:55:14,800 --> 01:55:25,280
do this to give some of that parking to
that so that we can have a and this

1295
01:55:21,040 --> 01:55:30,320
building is ADA so that would be a a
selling point if somebody needed to rent

1296
01:55:27,360 --> 01:55:33,199
this or whatever because um I know it
doesn't have the sprinklers or whatever

1297
01:55:32,320 --> 01:55:35,679
necessarily.
>> It's downstairs.

1298
01:55:34,880 --> 01:55:37,679
I don't see anybody.
>> I believe there's downstairs in the

1299
01:55:37,360 --> 01:55:40,800
hall.
>> Yeah.

1300
01:55:39,920 --> 01:55:45,040
» Yeah.
>> But um

1301
01:55:42,239 --> 01:55:51,520
» the thing is I was trying my point of
I'm trying to figure out what to do for

1302
01:55:48,320 --> 01:55:57,119
the future of this town. And as far as
younger people, I don't see a lot of

1303
01:55:54,400 --> 01:56:03,040
younger people that are involved in
this. And I don't know I I don't know

1304
01:56:00,719 --> 01:56:10,400
the people in the town enough to reach
out to them to say, "Hey, this is going

1305
01:56:05,920 --> 01:56:15,840
to be your town. What do you want done
with it?" I mean, it's actually it all

1306
01:56:13,280 --> 01:56:19,840
belongs to the future mostly. You know,
we're looking at it. We're all older.

1307
01:56:17,679 --> 01:56:25,280
We've all been here and done all our
stuff, whatever. Not. But I'm not really

1308
01:56:22,239 --> 01:56:31,199
sure what's the best way. And I think it
would be nice if we could reach out to

1309
01:56:28,080 --> 01:56:36,800
our neighbors that are younger and bring
it up to them so that um the committee

1310
01:56:34,000 --> 01:56:40,320
so they can get their input.
>> That's what I was going to say.

1311
01:56:40,480 --> 01:56:48,159
Um, I just wondered if while we're doing
all this analyzing stuff,

1312
01:56:46,239 --> 01:56:53,679
all the different ways, if there's a way
to come up with

1313
01:56:50,880 --> 01:56:58,800
uh an average rental price if we were to
rent the building. I mean, I I know

1314
01:56:55,440 --> 01:57:04,639
we've tried to come up with sale prices,
but I wondered about this size

1315
01:57:01,760 --> 01:57:10,560
commercial building rental per month.
What we could get on

1316
01:57:08,159 --> 01:57:16,320
To answer your question, I I have done a
little bit of research on that. And uh

1317
01:57:14,000 --> 01:57:20,639
for a onebedroom,
no little more than a thousand square

1318
01:57:17,599 --> 01:57:29,920
foot living unit, the average monthly
rent ranges from one uh 1,000 to $1,300.

1319
01:57:25,840 --> 01:57:34,960
The twobedroom is,300 to
uh $1,800.

1320
01:57:32,320 --> 01:57:39,679
And there's one unit in Brattleboro I
came across. I couldn't believe it. It

1321
01:57:37,040 --> 01:57:43,599
is a brand new singlebedroom apartment.
They want $1,900 a month for that. Did

1322
01:57:43,280 --> 01:57:48,800
you?
>> So, it's, you know, I've I've gone

1323
01:57:46,400 --> 01:57:53,440
online. I've checked a couple of sources
and those numbers seem to keep

1324
01:57:50,960 --> 01:57:57,760
reappearing.
>> But Mark, did you mean aside from

1325
01:57:55,119 --> 01:58:04,440
housing other? I was thinking as it is
right now say

1326
01:58:01,440 --> 01:58:04,440
commercial

1327
01:58:04,480 --> 01:58:10,639
like
>> like they said we we got 2400 a month

1328
01:58:08,320 --> 01:58:15,679
for the last sprinters right there.
>> Could we get that? Could we get more?

1329
01:58:12,960 --> 01:58:21,440
» Is it going to be less? If we could
maybe compare some other this size

1330
01:58:19,599 --> 01:58:24,440
structures somewhere to see what they're
getting.

1331
01:58:26,159 --> 01:58:29,159
» David,

1332
01:58:31,040 --> 01:58:37,599
so I was just going to say if more than
one business rented this, you'd have to

1333
01:58:35,760 --> 01:58:43,520
put in security so that they could each
have their own secure area.

1334
01:58:41,360 --> 01:58:47,520
» Would that be necessary?
If you have three different businesses

1335
01:58:45,119 --> 01:58:54,560
renting this as opposed to one business,
you'd have to have separate security

1336
01:58:50,159 --> 01:58:57,560
systems, lock entries, and that kind of
maybe

1337
01:58:58,159 --> 01:59:04,400
possible the rental is zero. I'm not
convinced.

1338
01:59:01,360 --> 01:59:06,800
» I don't know. But, you know,
nobody's banging down the door right now

1339
01:59:06,080 --> 01:59:11,040
trying to rent.
>> Well, we haven't yet.

1340
01:59:08,719 --> 01:59:15,520
» We haven't looked hard, but there's been
some looking. There's been some looking.

1341
01:59:13,040 --> 01:59:20,199
Yeah.
>> We don't need much for Harriet.

1342
01:59:20,320 --> 01:59:28,480
» Yeah. I was gonna ask what time is it?
>> So,

1343
01:59:25,760 --> 01:59:32,960
» does everyone feel they had a chance to
share what they want to share?

1344
01:59:30,080 --> 01:59:38,320
» Can I throw at least one?
Yeah,

1345
01:59:35,280 --> 01:59:43,520
» you know, Grace Cottage up there, you
got Valley Cares and there's a demand

1346
01:59:40,560 --> 01:59:48,000
for people looking to get senior
housing.

1347
01:59:45,119 --> 01:59:51,480
» Another option
aging population.

1348
01:59:58,080 --> 02:00:05,040
» What a good deal. That's why we're not
seeing any young people here.

1349
02:00:02,239 --> 02:00:11,280
Uh anyway, okay. Everybody had a chance
just to see a whole road.

1350
02:00:08,560 --> 02:00:15,760
I uh I would just like to say I think
this has been wonderful.

1351
02:00:13,599 --> 02:00:22,000
An opportunity for people to gather
together, share ideas, but in a civil

1352
02:00:19,679 --> 02:00:26,880
way, lots of different ideas and
opinions. This is what democracy is all

1353
02:00:24,639 --> 02:00:28,239
about. Amen.
>> Yeah.

1354
02:00:27,760 --> 02:00:31,560
» To all of us.
>> Thank you, David.

1355
02:00:37,840 --> 02:00:41,239
All in favor

1356
02:00:46,348 --> 02:00:48,368
[clears throat]

1357
02:00:59,119 --> 02:01:03,239
Thank you.

1358
02:01:45,840 --> 02:01:49,000
I know.

1359
02:01:50,320 --> 02:01:53,520
Thank you.