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Good morning, everybody. Today June 16th 2026. Welcome to Broward County Commission 11 00:13:03,202 --> 00:13:05,739 meeting and the like We're gonna go through Pledge of everyone, everyone, all the 12 00:13:05,739 --> 00:13:12,780 everybody please rise you know, I'm gonna have a because this one, the last few 13 00:13:12,780 --> 00:13:18,885 meetings he'll be have Mr. Myers. And then, know, he's here till November, Mr. Myers 14 00:13:18,885 --> 00:13:28,940 lead us into the Pledge of Allegiance. Leave it think to United States of America and 15 00:13:28,940 --> 00:13:35,568 sense one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for Mr. Meyers, that 16 00:13:35,568 --> 00:13:43,968 was incredible. The way you let everybody you know, it was incredible. Thank you. 17 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:46,379 >> Liz Jones customers every moment silence in honor notable persons from our 18 00:13:46,379 --> 00:13:55,379 community who have recently go around that this going on or anybody. We have Okay. 19 00:13:59,525 --> 00:14:04,325 Commissioner Davis and Commissioner Rogers in the fall. 20 00:14:04,463 --> 00:14:13,806 >> Going once. the among enough. And can you Yes, we can hear you. Okay. If you 21 00:14:13,806 --> 00:14:22,681 want interjected all just let me run recognize anybody >> We're going to let us also 22 00:14:22,681 --> 00:14:25,351 honor all the brave men and women who have served and continue to serve in our armed 23 00:14:25,351 --> 00:14:30,156 forces both here and abroad and thank them for their service opposed pause for a 24 00:14:30,156 --> 00:14:36,756 moment of silence. Thank you. Can you please take your seats? 25 00:14:48,107 --> 00:14:51,377 >> We got a very hopefully a very short regular agenda here and wanted to. 26 00:14:51,377 --> 00:14:59,777 >> First to get some some. General counsel. We need to identify are canvassing board 27 00:15:03,790 --> 00:15:07,326 representative for the summer primary in a special plantation election. The 28 00:15:07,326 --> 00:15:11,330 county attorney informs me that the mayor is the county commission's representative on 29 00:15:11,330 --> 00:15:18,738 the canvassing board. Unless the mayor is unable to serve. And since I am unable to serve 30 00:15:18,738 --> 00:15:22,542 under administrative code, the roll past is automatically to the vice mayor. If he's able 31 00:15:22,542 --> 00:15:31,350 to serve. Vice mayor, can you serve? yes, I can okay. The county attorney also informs 32 00:15:31,350 --> 00:15:35,688 me that I should point her alternate member or members. Is anyone willing to 33 00:15:35,688 --> 00:15:40,626 volunteer? I'll be an alternate. You'll be an alternate, OK with your 34 00:15:40,626 --> 00:15:49,502 mission. We give it 2 of them up. You have to we have to alternate council ago for 3. 35 00:15:49,502 --> 00:15:55,108 Maybe the whole Okay. So so I'm gonna recognize Lamar Fisher and Michael, you Dean 36 00:15:55,108 --> 00:16:02,908 as alternate members of the canvassing board. That business is done right? was 37 00:16:04,316 --> 00:16:14,316 that. Was that a really good? It was a scripted to the strip. Well, okay. Great made 38 00:16:14,460 --> 00:16:22,802 I want to take literally 60 seconds live. Some pictures for him when we went to Japan 39 00:16:22,802 --> 00:16:27,740 and Taiwan, we signed her first agreement and then the whole goal is to see about 40 00:16:27,740 --> 00:16:31,611 monetizing monetizing the agreement and I'll know in a couple months how we can 41 00:16:31,611 --> 00:16:35,415 monetize the agreement with our business community. And I was signing an agreement with 42 00:16:35,415 --> 00:16:43,355 the mayor of Kong County in Taiwan, Taiwan being our 4th largest trading partner. And 43 00:16:43,355 --> 00:16:47,559 do we have those quick pictures? Because they're they're pretty there's not. 44 00:16:47,559 --> 00:16:55,359 Those pictures Mike. Other up there. Okay. There's Keep on scrolling. Go next. 45 00:16:58,637 --> 00:17:03,910 >> Your next And then we give the key to the county. And I think it's then hold it. The 46 00:17:03,910 --> 00:17:07,246 gentleman in the middle is from the State Department. I don't know that don't know 47 00:17:07,246 --> 00:17:11,718 invited them, but State Department and then we had some other people from sister 48 00:17:11,718 --> 00:17:19,518 cities and and from Florida that came there. But otherwise, again, talked with 49 00:17:20,526 --> 00:17:25,598 Sandy, Michael McDonald. I think we're on the same page and we're going to see how we 50 00:17:25,598 --> 00:17:29,135 can monetize this. So we show that we're helping our community, our business 51 00:17:29,135 --> 00:17:34,730 community and we'll get back August on that. That's it. Get rid of the picture. Thank you 52 00:17:34,730 --> 00:17:43,730 what are you clapping for? >> I for government enter your meeting. ID followed by how 53 00:17:43,216 --> 00:17:51,160 get everybody enter meeting ID. Please. count. You have not entered any committee. 54 00:17:55,161 --> 00:18:01,234 This is our a billion-dollar telecommunication one. say Rowe, this meeting ID does not 55 00:18:01,234 --> 00:18:08,434 exist. Okay. No more meeting ID's. Okay. Second, we're here regarding the. 56 00:18:13,378 --> 00:18:17,717 >> The Spirit building. passed out something. I want to let everybody know what happened 57 00:18:17,717 --> 00:18:23,589 yesterday. We had a meeting here yesterday was the people from Cisco Monica and her team 58 00:18:23,589 --> 00:18:28,877 up to see how we Is there a way to save more money if we move if we move forward and if 59 00:18:28,877 --> 00:18:35,817 it is, you see from down here instead of having big huge offices, which we don't need 60 00:18:35,817 --> 00:18:42,230 to have standard offices. We reduce the office building from 100 and some million to 61 00:18:42,230 --> 00:18:46,227 70 Million. This is this in the people from Cisco which are here. These were not exact 62 00:18:46,227 --> 00:18:52,227 numbers. But guesstimate numbers and basically comes down to 274 million, 600,000 63 00:18:54,636 --> 00:19:04,236 so basically, we added we saved if you look at the the white sheet just summarizing. 64 00:19:04,580 --> 00:19:10,719 We saved basically 300, nearly 350 million, not 200 Million. We would save 300 and 65 00:19:10,719 --> 00:19:17,859 50 million dollars. I'm happy to have Monica go through show you how we know. We just 66 00:19:17,859 --> 00:19:22,464 instead of taking the original numbers which are bigger offices and everything now we 67 00:19:22,464 --> 00:19:29,270 have a point of saving 350 Million. And I just think that's important of taxpayer 68 00:19:29,270 --> 00:19:37,345 money. that we can say and it's huge amount of money. know, go love for affordable 69 00:19:37,345 --> 00:19:43,952 housing for a lot of other programs here. But holding up a sheet? Yes, sir. whenever 70 00:19:43,952 --> 00:19:50,692 you get a chance to Monday night. Tuesday morning memo, this is item 2. Yes, OK, I 71 00:19:50,692 --> 00:19:54,695 just want and what I've just open the item whenever you're right. And others were 72 00:19:54,695 --> 00:20:00,502 preliminary comments. OK, so okay, so lets. >> We'll do that Tuesday 73 00:20:00,502 --> 00:20:03,571 morning memo. And then we'll come back to this real quickly and then we'll move on to our 74 00:20:03,571 --> 00:20:09,844 next Go ahead. Real quick. >> Tuesday agenda memorandum the following are submitted 75 00:20:09,844 --> 00:20:13,382 for your consideration. Consent items. 9 public hearing items, 9 regular items 76 00:20:13,382 --> 00:20:18,320 are one through to a request. The following withdraws another modification. See the 77 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:20,188 agenda the following additional information withdrawal. The deferrals 78 00:20:20,188 --> 00:20:26,661 item, one tougher to August. 20th 2026 meeting. Other modifications item to the 79 00:20:26,661 --> 00:20:29,263 board's consideration is based upon the item with the amendments, including the 80 00:20:29,263 --> 00:20:34,200 additional motion statement shown in addition, material submitted by the county 81 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:38,340 attorney's office and adoption of Budget resolutions shown an additional material to be in 82 00:20:38,340 --> 00:20:44,813 to see submitted by the Office of Management and Budget Move to consent. 9 additional 83 00:20:44,813 --> 00:20:48,883 material item amendments. An additional motion statement submitted by office of the 84 00:20:48,883 --> 00:20:51,486 County Attorney Item to be exhibit for Budget resolution for motion. See submitted by 85 00:20:51,486 --> 00:20:56,625 Office of Management and Budget Item to see Exhibit 5 budget resolution for a motion 86 00:20:56,625 --> 00:21:00,829 to be submitted by Office of Management and Budget Item to the memo to the board 87 00:21:00,829 --> 00:21:08,629 submitted by county attorney's Office. Item 2, a motion to waive Section 6.19 6.20 of the 88 00:21:09,638 --> 00:21:15,377 Broward County Administrative Code in the best interest of the county to permit the 89 00:21:15,377 --> 00:21:17,379 transaction describe emotion be to be motion to authorize county administrator to 90 00:21:17,379 --> 00:21:23,651 negotiate and execute agreements and take all action is necessary to acquire the 91 00:21:23,651 --> 00:21:28,390 property located at 17. 0, 1, through 17. 41 Radiant Drive. A 17, 30 Manor Street, Dania 92 00:21:28,390 --> 00:21:33,661 Beach to see motion to adopt budget resolution transferring funds for reserve within the 93 00:21:33,661 --> 00:21:39,401 General fund in the amount of 4 million, 426,000, $946 to provide partial funding for 94 00:21:39,401 --> 00:21:46,341 the potential purchase of the property. 2 D motion to adopt budget resolution transferring 95 00:21:46,341 --> 00:21:50,879 funds for preserve within the general capital outlay funds in the amount of 95 Million. 96 00:21:50,879 --> 00:21:55,751 $573,054 to provide partial funding for the potential purchase of the property. One 97 00:21:55,751 --> 00:22:02,223 member of the public has signed up to speak on the item. 98 00:22:02,223 --> 00:22:08,630 >> Okay. unopened item to write Council of as it is. Monica who did this? Who who 99 00:22:08,630 --> 00:22:15,230 typed this cheetah? Drafted this year? Staff those and your staff. 100 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:23,378 >> The 6/16/2026 spirit meeting that was yesterday and it it is. Who who directed 101 00:22:23,378 --> 00:22:32,988 this, you know. I don't know, sir. Okay. So there's words in here that I don't like it. I 102 00:22:32,988 --> 00:22:36,658 want to make sure everybody understands it says that the bare-bones spear renovation, 103 00:22:36,658 --> 00:22:41,730 this is not. Do you have a copy of that you know what you're looking OK? probably 104 00:22:41,730 --> 00:22:50,339 from. I want to show everybody. You've been to the Senator, you've been to the 105 00:22:50,339 --> 00:22:59,939 building. Have you been building not it would have been in that so easily. I got 106 00:23:01,416 --> 00:23:08,690 it's OK, I know many times. You only say it's OK. you've not that they're out. Okay. 107 00:23:08,690 --> 00:23:13,428 You've been there have even. Okay. today I want to spend 3 full minutes bringing the 108 00:23:13,428 --> 00:23:20,368 building deal. in the back. Let's bring the building. I just want you to see that. 109 00:23:20,368 --> 00:23:28,168 It's actually 67 6, 1280 seconds. Can you go? So these are works. Okay. You won't 110 00:23:28,310 --> 00:23:32,781 find. I just want you to see the workstations how this is just example of one of the 6 111 00:23:32,781 --> 00:23:41,323 floors keep going. This isn't so they have offices there, too. These are beautiful. That 112 00:23:41,323 --> 00:23:50,323 brand new offices keep going. Another office keep going. Another office. This is a this 113 00:23:50,999 --> 00:23:58,273 is just outside area of their offices. It's not all work stations keep going. You can't 114 00:23:58,273 --> 00:24:01,676 continue. This is a every floor believe has a kitchen which obviously don't need 115 00:24:01,676 --> 00:24:08,150 that every floor, as is everything again, this is the first floor when you walk in 116 00:24:08,150 --> 00:24:14,156 this huge area for people to sit meet, keep going. This is just a quick 60nd video. Just 117 00:24:14,156 --> 00:24:19,694 to give you an idea of the quality of the building and the carpeting looks brand new 118 00:24:19,694 --> 00:24:23,898 everything there looks brand new and every floors the same. You can workstations that 119 00:24:23,898 --> 00:24:31,840 look, brand new carpeting in offices. Also, you could move in. The plug is working. Air 120 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:35,377 conditioning is working electric twerking. If you had, obviously we have to things to 121 00:24:35,377 --> 00:24:41,465 the building that's ready to move in right now, according to them, everything works 122 00:24:41,465 --> 00:24:45,268 except there's you have to go. Comcast. Xfinity to get Internet. The only thing 123 00:24:45,268 --> 00:24:53,680 that's not there is the Internet. Everything else works perfectly again. If you 124 00:24:53,210 --> 00:24:58,949 know what or how many people Monica in in in one in How many people in your risk 125 00:24:58,949 --> 00:25:05,549 management have workstations versus offices. >> Of the top? My head. So 126 00:25:05,622 --> 00:25:09,893 don't know. But if I had to guess we have roughly 40 some 40 some folks and risk 127 00:25:09,893 --> 00:25:15,832 management probably less than 5 have offices in the rest of them have. 128 00:25:15,832 --> 00:25:17,834 >> So they would be using these workstations anyway. It's not like all of a sudden 129 00:25:17,834 --> 00:25:22,906 we're pushing people to work stations do have other departments that with similar 130 00:25:22,906 --> 00:25:25,909 similar situations where some people have a couple officers and then there's workstations 131 00:25:25,909 --> 00:25:32,382 right? That's correct. Okay. So I went through Woods us COVID give us the original 132 00:25:32,382 --> 00:25:36,386 numbers. And I said what if we put up 10 by 12 offices, you put drywall indoors and you 133 00:25:36,386 --> 00:25:40,657 have obviously move some some vents for air conditioning. Some lights. And we just had 134 00:25:40,657 --> 00:25:45,862 all 10 by 12 offices and got rid of everything and they said we can bring the price 135 00:25:45,862 --> 00:25:52,469 down all this. These numbers here have to do with bringing the price down from from what 136 00:25:52,469 --> 00:26:01,469 the original was down to 2.75. The cause. So that's where I get. We're saving nearly 137 00:26:02,412 --> 00:26:07,484 350 million dollars. 350 million versus the current, the current project. 138 00:26:07,484 --> 00:26:15,284 That's before from administration 3 quarters of a billion dollars. So I mean, I 139 00:26:15,959 --> 00:26:20,564 going to make public know I would never agreed to spend 3 quarters of a billion dollars 140 00:26:20,564 --> 00:26:26,436 on a building. You guys can. I'm not going to and we could save the public 350 Million. 141 00:26:26,436 --> 00:26:34,778 I'm not gonna say it again. So I wanted to to do that note, we item 2 and according to 142 00:26:34,778 --> 00:26:41,317 council, it would be best that we do not take a vote today because we need all the 143 00:26:41,317 --> 00:26:49,392 members here. If it's going to vote. Yes, we would need all the people here in person that 144 00:26:49,392 --> 00:26:55,599 ideal. saying it correctly, Just tell me. Yes, yes, us. We have 5 votes here. Now it 145 00:26:55,599 --> 00:27:03,339 would have to do that. But based on talking to counsel, I would have to reschedule defer 146 00:27:03,339 --> 00:27:09,879 this and rescheduled for next week and have a special meeting next week. you know 147 00:27:09,879 --> 00:27:13,817 you shouldn't do it, Mr. because we have people here, I think instead of deferring it, 148 00:27:13,817 --> 00:27:19,355 we should let the people here speak and then we can take the vote next week by a of That's 149 00:27:19,355 --> 00:27:27,230 fine. I just want to let everybody unless, you know, we have one speaker? There are 2 150 00:27:27,230 --> 00:27:29,633 speakers signed up and I have some questions for additional speaker. Okay. With the 151 00:27:29,633 --> 00:27:38,330 speakers. In Clark. >> Eleanor in Oreana Davis. >> Do want to come on up. was 152 00:27:45,248 --> 00:27:51,848 aviation. >> I am. Well, good morning to you, Mayor. Vice Mayor 153 00:27:55,926 --> 00:28:00,263 Commissioners County administrator. >> And before you start, I 154 00:28:00,263 --> 00:28:04,000 mean, the review in the back going to make sure if she's talking against what we're 155 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:10,139 doing, cut the mike that Mike cut the Michael Kay. Go ahead. I'm joking. 156 00:28:10,139 --> 00:28:14,211 >> Yeah, I thank you so much for having me here. I am representing the city of Dania 157 00:28:14,211 --> 00:28:20,884 Beach as the mayor. This is very sensitive item for us. I don't have to let you all know 158 00:28:20,884 --> 00:28:27,230 what's going on with property taxes in Tallahassee. we need every single dollar that we 159 00:28:27,230 --> 00:28:35,980 can save in the city of Dania Beach. This proposed Spirit Airlines campus would 160 00:28:35,980 --> 00:28:41,304 represent a significant and long-term revenue, economic revenue loss for the city of 161 00:28:41,304 --> 00:28:45,641 Dania Beach. I sat down with my CFO and city manager yesterday and it would be the 162 00:28:45,641 --> 00:28:50,313 1.2 million dollars in perpetuity. And I can understand if you're going to 163 00:28:50,313 --> 00:28:55,118 have a cost savings. But if we get cost savings of one time as opposed to being able to 164 00:28:55,118 --> 00:29:01,924 read generate revenue perpetuity for the city of Dania Beach. I also wanted to 165 00:29:01,924 --> 00:29:07,597 say that the Spirit Airlines facility, it's not just the standard building office. This 166 00:29:07,597 --> 00:29:14,604 is a specialized space that was specifically designed to serve airline headquarters and 167 00:29:14,604 --> 00:29:20,400 aviation training center. We have specialized infrastructure and flight 168 00:29:21,770 --> 00:29:28,618 simulators that I have personally one. The corporate layout is uniquely suited for 169 00:29:28,618 --> 00:29:33,890 aviation industry. And so we would like to explore those options. I know that our city 170 00:29:33,890 --> 00:29:41,164 manager has been in contact with the the greater Fort lighten rated Fort Lauderdale 171 00:29:41,164 --> 00:29:46,102 Alliance, along with Kim Cohen, other people. And there are interested parties who are 172 00:29:46,102 --> 00:29:51,374 interested in its turn. Key aviation facilities. So >> I'm asking for you all to 173 00:29:51,374 --> 00:29:57,914 look at the large picture of looking at the revenue that we would be able to generate in 174 00:29:57,914 --> 00:30:01,318 perpetuity. And look at that long-term goal of bringing economic development jobs to 175 00:30:01,318 --> 00:30:07,991 the city of being a beat. >> This is the only facility that is like this in all of 176 00:30:07,991 --> 00:30:12,595 Broward County. So we would not be able to just, you know, it's not just regular office 177 00:30:12,595 --> 00:30:19,803 space. We are asking you to. >> Not vote in favor of this and that I respectfully oppose 178 00:30:19,803 --> 00:30:25,475 acquisition of the Spirit Airlines property because it would eliminate and be a 179 00:30:25,475 --> 00:30:32,675 reoccurring local development revenue with many units Halley's are already asking to 180 00:30:33,283 --> 00:30:39,823 having facing unprecedented fiscal uncertainty. So we need your support to support the 181 00:30:39,823 --> 00:30:45,628 city of Dania Beach and bring huge economic development with another company that would 182 00:30:45,628 --> 00:30:47,572 work. >> generate revenue opportunity for our city and 183 00:30:47,572 --> 00:30:51,172 county. >> Thank you. Thank you, Mayor. 184 00:31:01,519 --> 00:31:03,522 >> I had somebody be here to speak, Mister Swindle, can we call him Mr, and vote. is. 185 00:31:03,522 --> 00:31:07,580 That's signed up. >> No, but I believe they have the right to ask them to 186 00:31:07,580 --> 00:31:13,798 speak. Any commissioner. Obviously, you could ask anyone to speak, but mayor, 187 00:31:13,798 --> 00:31:20,471 you control the timing. I don't know. I like box. I like pots. When do I just don't 188 00:31:20,471 --> 00:31:24,750 like what he's going to be coming here to talk about? don't mean the timing as to 189 00:31:24,750 --> 00:31:32,283 how long would that recognize? Okay. But I'll talk to you afterwards to get out of come 190 00:31:32,283 --> 00:31:34,886 I think it's very right. Mister Mayor. So I have a question for Mister chair, 191 00:31:34,886 --> 00:31:41,960 which why come to be sure Mr. Swinney bell at the last meeting. I raise concern based 192 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:47,960 upon prior conversation that you and I had that. >> The 193 00:31:50,350 --> 00:31:56,241 >> I believe that there were you would indicate there were other. People that we're 194 00:31:56,241 --> 00:32:02,647 looking at this building because I'd said then. I think you said this many times. My 195 00:32:02,647 --> 00:32:09,120 top priorities bring high paid jobs to Broward. And if we could make this a corporate 196 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:13,391 headquarters, either National International regional for a major company that would bring 197 00:32:13,391 --> 00:32:18,663 lots of high-paid jobs here. That was something that would be a factor. Maybe not the 198 00:32:18,663 --> 00:32:26,871 only factor, but certainly a factor in my consideration. It is my understanding that you 199 00:32:26,871 --> 00:32:31,142 now have an opinion on that. Is that correct? And if so, what is that opinion? Yes, 200 00:32:31,142 --> 00:32:37,616 senator, thank you. >> The mayor, you approach is like a CEO of a corporation is 201 00:32:37,616 --> 00:32:41,753 considering relocation, right? You look at the space. But your drivers are exactly what 202 00:32:41,753 --> 00:32:48,827 makes appealing to business as well to have 180,000 square foot, 10 trip to Turkey 203 00:32:48,827 --> 00:32:51,960 facility. We don't have that inventory available anywhere in Broward County right now. 204 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:58,436 And that's what's made it so attractive. We've got to. Really strong candidates that 205 00:32:58,436 --> 00:33:01,907 we work for the past. They're actually they're competing with the with the bankruptcy 206 00:33:01,907 --> 00:33:03,909 court. There are already engaged with the bankruptcy court for this building. I've 207 00:33:03,909 --> 00:33:10,314 got a 3rd that's also pursuing it. don't know the company as well. We've got 6 share this 208 00:33:10,314 --> 00:33:13,852 with the county administrator, 6 other companies. We have a tech company that wants to put 209 00:33:13,852 --> 00:33:19,724 their headquarters there. Why write? Because, you know, this was really design is an 210 00:33:19,724 --> 00:33:26,865 aviation facility like we want to be embedded in a mixed use of like new point. Weve got 211 00:33:26,865 --> 00:33:30,535 retail. There's housing. There's there's hotel space. There's temporary housing, all 212 00:33:30,535 --> 00:33:33,605 those things that make it attractive. You guys you're competing with business 213 00:33:33,605 --> 00:33:39,144 because it's such an attractive location. we are team could probably measure 214 00:33:39,144 --> 00:33:42,947 this. But I think I mentioned is the county administrator. If you think about new 215 00:33:42,947 --> 00:33:47,552 employees coming to Broward and then payroll being spent and Broward counties, 216 00:33:47,552 --> 00:33:52,557 additional taxes generated by that. You know, customers of the stores, the restaurants, 217 00:33:52,557 --> 00:33:59,430 the retail. That's that point. And if they're bringing travelers in, we have I told 218 00:33:59,430 --> 00:34:02,900 you the name of the company and Mary, you, have you have a strong suspicion, probably 219 00:34:02,900 --> 00:34:07,639 it's a global brand. You recognize them immediately. So if if they're going to feel 220 00:34:07,639 --> 00:34:10,842 that building with employees that are new to that part of Broward County, I'm not sure 221 00:34:10,842 --> 00:34:15,460 there's some dark, any residents that they work for this company already. But you 222 00:34:15,460 --> 00:34:18,116 get you're looking at the turn of with their spending in payroll was being spent. That 223 00:34:18,116 --> 00:34:23,121 impacts our GDP as a county. It's a very attractive building. But the answer 224 00:34:23,121 --> 00:34:27,992 yours, your question, senator, and we talked about this the other day to these projects. 225 00:34:27,992 --> 00:34:33,650 We have worked previously and did not have an appropriate facility for one is aviation 226 00:34:33,650 --> 00:34:37,469 related. We came really close. But to be honest with you, the finances and what you're 227 00:34:37,469 --> 00:34:41,673 looking at, a new way to go to build a new governmental center. You guys can the best 228 00:34:41,673 --> 00:34:46,678 rates possible Triple-A been rated county. But, you know, other companies don't have 229 00:34:46,678 --> 00:34:51,549 that benefit. And when you look at cost of building the financing, it's it's it's 230 00:34:51,549 --> 00:34:54,953 topical police projects their tracks because they want to corporate housing that one of 231 00:34:54,953 --> 00:35:00,910 the things that you've got that this facility. >> when do based on everything 232 00:35:00,910 --> 00:35:05,630 you said you have a recommendation for us. >> My recommendation would be 233 00:35:05,630 --> 00:35:08,633 and it essentially had public relations firm reached out to me the tax man and how they 234 00:35:08,633 --> 00:35:15,374 got my number. But they were talking about. The image of the county competing with 235 00:35:15,374 --> 00:35:17,508 business for a facility like this. And they recommended to me that they could fix that 236 00:35:17,508 --> 00:35:23,480 for me. And like. We have a I know this county commission, they're going to evaluate all 237 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,717 the factors and they're going to make the best decision but only for our county. But from 238 00:35:25,717 --> 00:35:29,520 pennies in the area. My recommendation is I don't think it's a good look for us 239 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:33,391 to compete with businesses are going after the same building. I don't know that we could win 240 00:35:33,391 --> 00:35:39,530 as a county they can be a little more nimble, maybe with a bankruptcy court. But this 241 00:35:39,530 --> 00:35:44,200 is the most valuable asset that spearheads. And so it's going to be highly sought 242 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,872 after and they will get the highest dollar they can get for this building and they 243 00:35:47,872 --> 00:35:52,277 hope And do you recommend I believe that in conversations, County administrator that you 244 00:35:52,277 --> 00:35:57,482 had. >> Said something like that, you would recommend that we 245 00:35:57,482 --> 00:36:05,900 not pursue this because you believe that. There will be a private, large private 246 00:36:05,900 --> 00:36:12,970 companies. Maybe you don't know which one that would come in and benefit the Brevard 247 00:36:12,970 --> 00:36:14,990 County Economy. Yeah, I know there's 3 there will be directly competing with you 248 00:36:14,990 --> 00:36:19,904 for the space. but again, I go back to >> the additional economic 249 00:36:19,904 --> 00:36:23,107 impact of those new employees spending money in Dania Pointe supporting those retailers and 250 00:36:23,107 --> 00:36:27,445 restaurants. And I know that the county employees would do the same, but we've already 251 00:36:27,445 --> 00:36:29,781 got those folks spending money in our county. We're looking to bring additional people in 252 00:36:29,781 --> 00:36:38,560 and that's why I think it would be. It would be a bad decision to to take this off 253 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,592 of the inventory for commercial I trust me. I get that. There's no inventory out 254 00:36:41,592 --> 00:36:47,598 there. I understand the frustration with that. I deal with it on a regular basis. 255 00:36:47,598 --> 00:36:52,937 >> Any other things, Mister Mayor and I'm I have 2 questions for you, sir. As you 256 00:36:52,937 --> 00:36:58,213 can in changed since the first time spoke to Senator Gathers cent. On this. Senator Geller 257 00:36:58,213 --> 00:37:01,950 said this at our last meeting. So I'm wondering why you brought them up to say the 258 00:37:01,950 --> 00:37:07,823 same thing live in. And they're usually because instead of my saying what he 259 00:37:07,823 --> 00:37:13,162 said, I wanted him to say what he said. Okay. it's just an opinion like So let me ask you 260 00:37:13,162 --> 00:37:16,832 question. And this is you're making a recommendation to us as elected officials as 261 00:37:16,832 --> 00:37:20,168 economic development organization, right? Do you think which weighs more saving 262 00:37:20,168 --> 00:37:26,975 the public? 350 million dollars or getting high paying jobs in that building? We 263 00:37:26,975 --> 00:37:31,713 would cause you're talking a tax base attribute excuse me. You brought up tax base. So 264 00:37:31,713 --> 00:37:38,654 tell me based on your recommendation, what kind of tax revenue would we get from 265 00:37:38,654 --> 00:37:44,326 that versus the savings of 350 million dollars because I assume you're saying that will 266 00:37:44,326 --> 00:37:51,526 benefit more over through more than 350 Million. Because you done that analysis. 267 00:37:51,667 --> 00:37:53,602 >> I've not done that analysis. That's one of the things I mentioned that we 268 00:37:53,602 --> 00:37:58,674 could do the analysis on what would be the impact of new to Broward employee? You I'm just 269 00:37:58,674 --> 00:38:04,679 a guy that you made. You made a recommendation based on you talked about tax. 270 00:38:04,679 --> 00:38:06,681 >> But tax. And so you're getting in front of us. Make your recommendation without 271 00:38:06,681 --> 00:38:12,221 doing any analysis and how much tax revenue we would generate from putting a 272 00:38:12,221 --> 00:38:15,423 corporate entity in their first is saving the public. 350 Million. Is that correct? 273 00:38:15,423 --> 00:38:23,632 That's correct. Okay. Thank you. Where conductor? Will both serve him on this way. 274 00:38:23,632 --> 00:38:31,240 Okay. So just a couple things. And I've spoken to some of the companies to that are that are 275 00:38:31,240 --> 00:38:35,243 talking and that want to look at this building. And assuming that there would be some 276 00:38:35,243 --> 00:38:39,448 interest in this building. And I. >> If we're interested in it, 277 00:38:39,448 --> 00:38:41,717 other people are interested and it's a valuable piece of property and that's why people 278 00:38:41,717 --> 00:38:50,859 are looking at it. I'm not as sure as the length and depth of the corporal reloads that 279 00:38:50,859 --> 00:38:55,630 will go there. But that's wonderful thing about this process is that if you become 280 00:38:55,630 --> 00:38:58,534 a better on this I'm not saying you definitely get it. But you're in the game to do 281 00:38:58,534 --> 00:39:04,139 it. And if we we helped Dania, if we if we raise the value of this piece of property, that's 282 00:39:04,139 --> 00:39:12,140 a OK, I'm not here to give corporate welfare to a corporation that wants to come 283 00:39:12,140 --> 00:39:15,751 by this property by saying we're not here. Trust me. And I've heard from this day as 284 00:39:15,751 --> 00:39:19,288 before that, we're not gonna get it. We're not going to enough. We're not going to be 285 00:39:19,288 --> 00:39:24,920 there. Our number should be out there to be a number that we feel comfortable with 286 00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:26,628 before before you came today. And I appreciate everything you did. I'm glad you were 287 00:39:26,628 --> 00:39:31,233 there. We were still a 200 million dollars savings. With this coverage is original 288 00:39:31,233 --> 00:39:38,173 numbers, which when they were tasked by staff, they said put that building in the Dania 289 00:39:38,173 --> 00:39:42,978 Pointe building and give us the same exact thing. And it was still a 200 million 290 00:39:42,978 --> 00:39:45,113 dollars savings. I know it can be much more, you know, could be much more. But even 291 00:39:45,113 --> 00:39:52,454 200 million dollars, a lot of money to save. >> Dania Pointe makes a very 292 00:39:52,454 --> 00:39:56,724 in my opinion, impressive argument. I agree with their argument. But when you save, 293 00:39:56,724 --> 00:40:02,131 if you can save taxpayers 250 million on one side. There's a way that we can make 294 00:40:02,131 --> 00:40:08,203 Dania Pointe Hall, you know, with any kind of tax revenue that they're looking at. Plus, 295 00:40:08,203 --> 00:40:13,675 I don't think there's been a study on how valuable that land becomes. If there's now X 296 00:40:13,675 --> 00:40:17,946 and another 1000 employees that are there full time. I think that we should stay in 297 00:40:17,946 --> 00:40:22,617 the game here. I think if there's corporations that want to bid for this property, they 298 00:40:22,617 --> 00:40:27,756 should bid for this property. They may be to us in which case we take our ball and we 299 00:40:27,756 --> 00:40:35,970 go home. We may not be the stalking horse on this, but I'll say again, do not think 300 00:40:35,970 --> 00:40:38,434 there's going to be 5 votes for 3 quarters of a billion dollars that the Gore private 301 00:40:38,434 --> 00:40:43,972 property. I've said that before. And the other thing I would say it's a lot of people 302 00:40:43,972 --> 00:40:46,909 think this is very fast. This is something that's happening fast. Well, that's because 2 303 00:40:46,909 --> 00:40:52,848 months ago, the issue didn't didn't. You know, we've we've dealt with this core property 304 00:40:52,848 --> 00:40:59,721 for what, 10 years dealing with joint government meetings. It was going to be a 305 00:40:59,721 --> 00:41:01,857 joint center. It was going not be a joint government center. You are going to go here. We 306 00:41:01,857 --> 00:41:07,595 were going to look there. It's been a multi-year, you know, 5, 6, 7, 10 year process. This 307 00:41:07,595 --> 00:41:13,868 is something that just came up. I think by anybody's imagination by anybody's 308 00:41:13,868 --> 00:41:18,474 facts, we save 200 million dollars right off the back. I think it's going to be much, 309 00:41:18,474 --> 00:41:23,278 much more than that. And this is in a rehab of a building. This this half of this 310 00:41:23,278 --> 00:41:26,548 building is really have most of the space is ready to go. We have a risk management 311 00:41:26,548 --> 00:41:33,155 department. They had a risk management department. It's basically the same thing. We 312 00:41:33,155 --> 00:41:39,294 have a human relations. They had human relations department and I know people say, well, 313 00:41:39,294 --> 00:41:42,631 there's HIPPA things. There's this that the other thing when you tour the spirit building 314 00:41:42,631 --> 00:41:46,835 on the first floor where they have their HR in the back, they had to hit the area, too, 315 00:41:46,835 --> 00:41:51,506 because they have the same thing that we have. It's all very much the same. I think we 316 00:41:51,506 --> 00:41:56,178 should push us forward if it takes another week to do it, we should be able to do it. 317 00:41:56,178 --> 00:42:03,251 And if somebody out bids us, we should shake their hand. And if we are the stalking 318 00:42:03,251 --> 00:42:06,521 horse bidder and somebody comes to us and says I'm a new airline. I want to set up shop 319 00:42:06,521 --> 00:42:13,261 here. We could say have at it. You with this is mean, we definitely have to buy it by 320 00:42:13,261 --> 00:42:17,999 becoming and the game here. And I think that there's a lot that can happen if the 321 00:42:17,999 --> 00:42:21,200 alliance has a company, that's a great company for Dania Beach and it works for the 322 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:31,200 county. We talk about. That. We're going. I too. First of all, I just want to mention, I 323 00:42:35,830 --> 00:42:40,288 totally agree with the mayor from. >> Dania Beach and I wanted to 324 00:42:40,288 --> 00:42:45,293 just mention the the taxes that are paid by spirit right now. This is this year's 325 00:42:45,293 --> 00:42:52,493 proposed tax taxes, 700 and 50. Yes, 715 million, 688. And then the total ad valorem 326 00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:06,850 taxes and so forth that they pay or 2.8 million dollars. So we just so we know what. But 327 00:43:06,850 --> 00:43:14,524 the last possibly could be for Virginia Beach. I I said this at at the meeting and I'm just 328 00:43:14,524 --> 00:43:20,730 going to repeat it. I think we need to put the brakes like the idea that we're sitting 329 00:43:20,730 --> 00:43:24,801 here. Some people are sitting here and saying it's well, now we're not going to spend 330 00:43:24,801 --> 00:43:28,605 600 Million. We're going to spend 300 million or 259. We should be putting the brakes 331 00:43:28,605 --> 00:43:35,812 on everything right now. We are looking at a dangerous Advil tax issue on the agenda 332 00:43:35,812 --> 00:43:42,752 that could kill this county. And you talk about affordable housing. This has nothing to 333 00:43:42,752 --> 00:43:45,288 do with affordable housing are hold everything we would be doing would be cut all across 334 00:43:45,288 --> 00:43:53,296 the board. I feel at this point that this is this is a horrible message to send to 335 00:43:53,296 --> 00:44:01,505 people. To go out there and do this. When we own a piece of property already at 65 million 336 00:44:01,505 --> 00:44:06,443 dollars, the Gore billion building. I mean, how much do we want to have here? And 337 00:44:06,443 --> 00:44:13,116 something would have to be go if we got it. And this this piece of paper, I'm sorry, 338 00:44:13,116 --> 00:44:20,316 having in the building, a carpeted drive, kinds of construction business. family. 339 00:44:21,324 --> 00:44:25,661 I have this is estimated cost. Nobody knows. Nobody knows what the cost would be to 340 00:44:25,661 --> 00:44:30,533 renovate this building. Absolutely not. So I just feel like we're looking at 341 00:44:30,533 --> 00:44:36,406 something that's so. Going to be so difficult for so many people in this county. 342 00:44:36,406 --> 00:44:44,414 Everything we care about in services. Can be can be done. Reduced dramatically. So for 343 00:44:44,414 --> 00:44:50,354 me, I am not going to support doing this. And even if we're saving, we're not saving. 344 00:44:50,354 --> 00:44:55,625 We're not saving 250 million dollars. We're spending 250 million dollars and I'm 345 00:44:55,625 --> 00:45:05,625 not willing to do that. And by the way, we compare down the Gore building plans to we can 346 00:45:05,835 --> 00:45:09,706 plant, we can we can make the same kind of facility that we're talking about here. We 347 00:45:09,706 --> 00:45:13,309 don't have to have the big offices. We don't have to have a lot of the things that are 348 00:45:13,309 --> 00:45:18,114 in that building. We do need is a childcare center in that building. But we don't need of 349 00:45:18,114 --> 00:45:21,518 this other stuff that we have there. And we could. We could we could save several 350 00:45:21,518 --> 00:45:29,192 100 million dollars in that building. Well said the since the I agree with you. I agree 351 00:45:29,192 --> 00:45:39,192 with the mayor. Also, thank you. Do not want to. We rushed into a decision. I think we've 352 00:45:40,670 --> 00:45:42,472 been planning. >> A lot on where we want to go and how how we wanted to 353 00:45:42,472 --> 00:45:47,277 look. And some point, if you to, if you have to pump the brakes are pumped the brakes. 354 00:45:47,277 --> 00:45:51,681 But we have enough information. To do that today. I think it's just a knee-jerk 355 00:45:51,681 --> 00:45:55,218 reaction of like to see us move forward. Take the bull today. I want to kick the can 356 00:45:55,218 --> 00:46:02,625 of the week, but I want to speak to this property. want to raise here. I've seen 5 357 00:46:02,625 --> 00:46:09,225 renditions on that property. Investment. Downturn. Torn down. Build something else. 358 00:46:13,503 --> 00:46:21,303 Investment. One Dow bill, something else investment on down to build something else 359 00:46:21,578 --> 00:46:26,383 when they would want that. 95, the Grand Prix was relocated. There before the Grand Prix. 360 00:46:26,383 --> 00:46:32,722 Those addition of what they thought would work at that property. And before that 361 00:46:32,722 --> 00:46:39,262 powers will was there when I was kid. So it was a small. Temple of Disney World. role? 362 00:46:39,262 --> 00:46:49,262 But that was part of So wouldn't go to calls that he built. So, Dana, his struggle. 363 00:46:50,673 --> 00:46:57,747 development based my of debt. So we look at this. 100 million dollar investment. 364 00:46:57,747 --> 00:47:03,620 And I read this and going to bring in. The 800 million dollar. Thank you. Point 365 00:47:03,620 --> 00:47:09,893 development has transformed. Thank you. Beach into a regional Travon, massive tax 366 00:47:09,893 --> 00:47:16,493 revenues, job growth, corporate investment. Why didn't who? Could mix Mixed 367 00:47:18,768 --> 00:47:25,441 use project has fundamentally reshape the local economy. Through 4 main pillars. The 368 00:47:25,441 --> 00:47:31,914 revenue generation. The job creation, the corporate location. The mixed use 369 00:47:31,914 --> 00:47:41,514 expansion. And if we take that opportunity way, we always. We always turn to window. We're 370 00:47:43,459 --> 00:47:50,399 trying to validate company coming here, Maria, they wait the pants, a situation of who 371 00:47:50,399 --> 00:47:56,539 they bring the town to entertain. We go to Bob Sunday. But today. We 372 00:47:56,539 --> 00:47:59,609 dismissed in effect. And I've had numerous conversations Bill because I want to know if 373 00:47:59,609 --> 00:48:08,900 there was any other interest in this property and there's nothing else. The developments 374 00:48:08,418 --> 00:48:13,689 downtown today. I was very much a part of it. We are running out of space. There 375 00:48:13,689 --> 00:48:16,292 are no opportunities for big companies to come here because you don't have a mask. The 376 00:48:16,292 --> 00:48:25,292 Lamb Mayor Mike does well and industrial peace because they have all that land at 377 00:48:25,568 --> 00:48:30,240 company's at the Cubs. Se. All of the tract. Is craze going out there, bringing companies 378 00:48:30,240 --> 00:48:35,911 to town? We don't have that here. We have an opportunity with the of investment may 379 00:48:35,911 --> 00:48:42,718 have a 65 billion dollars across the street. I want keep going in that direction. But I 380 00:48:42,718 --> 00:48:50,192 want to pump the brakes. I want to take the vote up or down. What we do because we 381 00:48:50,192 --> 00:48:57,992 can keep keep changing scenarios. Day day out. I don't do. Overnight projects 382 00:48:58,801 --> 00:49:05,740 is I work in industry and I do a lot of time before I go out and say I can build something 383 00:49:05,740 --> 00:49:11,681 4 x amount of dollars because typically what happens in in the real world. I got eat that 384 00:49:11,681 --> 00:49:20,681 cost. But what as a government agency? The 450 the 200 meter 300 not turn into twice the 385 00:49:21,357 --> 00:49:26,896 amount of money. Once we get any real last. It is not the space that we can utilize day 386 00:49:26,896 --> 00:49:33,436 one like has been said So I'd like to see is pump the brakes. I think this is a 387 00:49:33,436 --> 00:49:38,842 great opportunity for our economy to keep growing in Dania. Dania has done well. 388 00:49:38,842 --> 00:49:42,112 And that was I think it's gonna one of the first projects that may. Less. For 389 00:49:42,112 --> 00:49:50,120 in perpetuity. Because of what they put there. What they put their to sustain that space. 390 00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:57,590 If you go step further. We can't do that. This footprint, we can decide we're going to 391 00:49:57,590 --> 00:50:01,464 stop. And then it could bring major corporation. had a brow bullet and that footprint that 392 00:50:01,464 --> 00:50:04,670 footprint works for We purchased the property with intent to do that. Dania Beach 393 00:50:04,670 --> 00:50:11,407 point. Should be exactly what it was built to be when it opened 2 years ago. It's a 394 00:50:11,407 --> 00:50:16,545 great building. It has a space we're only talking about you last half of the space of 395 00:50:16,545 --> 00:50:24,153 these of this parcel and we'll talk a piece in between that we could have a future of 396 00:50:24,153 --> 00:50:28,557 future building. Our future building is where we've already invested our time and 397 00:50:28,557 --> 00:50:33,563 talents. And we can put brakes on all of these projects if need be. But Daniel Point, my 398 00:50:33,563 --> 00:50:38,768 commissioners today, his vote this up or down. The only thing I think that will be 399 00:50:38,768 --> 00:50:47,168 question of the city attorney the county attorney There are 2 members missing here today. 400 00:50:48,111 --> 00:50:52,115 How does that play out with a vote today? And I'm not trying to kill. We do want to make 401 00:50:52,115 --> 00:51:00,322 sure that what we're doing can be justified. The votes. Yeah, it's these or 402 00:51:00,322 --> 00:51:05,862 >> extraordinary circumstances. The spirit, issue came up on very short 403 00:51:05,862 --> 00:51:10,533 notice. We're dealing with bankruptcy court deadlines were also technically we have 404 00:51:10,533 --> 00:51:14,670 workshop today. But because we're we thought we were researching for meetings. We 405 00:51:14,670 --> 00:51:19,342 have 2 commissioners who are out of the country. You know, this board knows I've been 406 00:51:19,342 --> 00:51:24,947 around for a while. I'm always very conservative in terms of whether remote should count, 407 00:51:24,947 --> 00:51:29,418 it would be my strong preference not to do vote. I'm risk-averse. I was like that 408 00:51:29,418 --> 00:51:38,494 better. So it's better to do it. It in person. But if we had 5 affirmative votes, 409 00:51:38,494 --> 00:51:44,100 including remote boats. I I think God, if the thought that they were in order for these 410 00:51:44,100 --> 00:51:49,438 extraordinary circumstances, I think we'd be able to sustain it. That would be valid and 411 00:51:49,438 --> 00:51:57,980 that if there were problem with it, that we there would be some flexibility, 2 things 412 00:51:57,980 --> 00:52:04,654 that I wouldn't say that. But for the circuit, I don't want to come one of us. I want. 413 00:52:04,654 --> 00:52:07,189 >> Yeah, we interview that we can do this with the makeup that we have today with 2 out 414 00:52:07,189 --> 00:52:12,261 of town not being present to move this forward so that we can put this to bed or I'm not 415 00:52:12,261 --> 00:52:20,803 moving it forward, might recognize. So I want the legal opinion so that seems like 416 00:52:20,803 --> 00:52:25,875 when we started this and the presentation of them, it was because of the absences. We 417 00:52:25,875 --> 00:52:31,547 couldn't do it but we can't do it. Yeah. The mayor knows every member of this board 418 00:52:31,547 --> 00:52:34,950 knows that I'm extremely reluctant to do so. But these are unique circumstances. 419 00:52:34,950 --> 00:52:40,223 They're extraordinary certain we can do. And I believe that we would prevail. 420 00:52:40,223 --> 00:52:42,959 >> In court if it came down to it. So the answer would be yes, but I also want you to 421 00:52:42,959 --> 00:52:47,430 know that the law is a little murky on this. Their old opinions. They don't really 422 00:52:47,430 --> 00:52:54,504 cover Statute doesn't cover it. So my my statement to my legal opinion and so 423 00:52:54,504 --> 00:52:58,707 reinforced by my team because we fought internally is yes, we could do it and our bill 424 00:52:58,707 --> 00:53:04,446 would be sustained in court if came down to it. Yes. Thank you for that. With are just 425 00:53:04,446 --> 00:53:11,460 too this up and down. >> Obviously >> this it's enticing to see 426 00:53:15,124 --> 00:53:20,620 this. And it's, you know, this. You see a property like that. And and I can understand 427 00:53:20,620 --> 00:53:26,201 why it's, you know, attractive to those the support. It. But I do have a problem of the 428 00:53:26,201 --> 00:53:32,141 optics at this time, particularly with the property tax looming. I mean, we may 429 00:53:32,141 --> 00:53:37,946 have stands, For a while. That's that's just the reality of it because we don't know 430 00:53:37,946 --> 00:53:42,885 what kind of money we're going to be having coming in on tax revenues. It may be we may not 431 00:53:42,885 --> 00:53:47,957 have a choice. And I don't want us to get so far out ahead that we can be coming 432 00:53:47,957 --> 00:53:53,696 back. If we may have seen here for years and that, okay, the last thing we you want to do 433 00:53:53,696 --> 00:53:59,435 is I think showing the public that we're about spent a whole lot of money when, you know, 434 00:53:59,435 --> 00:54:09,350 that just gives them reason to vote against. thing is and I've said this numerous times. 435 00:54:09,512 --> 00:54:13,649 The you know, when I think of county building, I have my own. You know, I think of he 436 00:54:13,649 --> 00:54:16,853 would like him, you know, children. You have the main building in the square or 437 00:54:16,853 --> 00:54:21,724 borders towns. I've lived in where it's the people's building. And if feels like 438 00:54:21,724 --> 00:54:29,599 and looks like that's I still would rather see that the fact that we're we're about to 439 00:54:29,599 --> 00:54:35,738 build where we're going is a cartographic center of the county seat corner and used 440 00:54:35,738 --> 00:54:41,744 great. That's the view know north South East West. the corner. Easy access. And I 441 00:54:41,744 --> 00:54:46,949 think access is a very important thing here. You know, people have to be able 442 00:54:46,949 --> 00:54:53,556 sometimes they have to come here and you've got to make it. So it's easy for the other 443 00:54:53,556 --> 00:54:59,950 part in to Bob. I think I would like if there's a chance of doing the analysis of 444 00:54:59,950 --> 00:55:04,320 showing the multiplier effect, what happens when you have 1000 people spending money 445 00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:09,772 into place? What does that turn into the because the tax revenues, one part of it. The 446 00:55:09,772 --> 00:55:17,513 multiplier effect is by far. The bigger. As a as Mike and in Kentucky. You know. Danny 447 00:55:17,513 --> 00:55:24,921 Point is it's doing well, but it's not. It's still, you know, you don't want to take 448 00:55:24,921 --> 00:55:31,881 out from under You know what support help supporting it right across the street in the 449 00:55:31,881 --> 00:55:36,850 coming year as you're about to have a lot of development as well. So you're going to you 450 00:55:36,850 --> 00:55:41,491 know, you're having couple areas are very dependent on that kind of multiplier effect 451 00:55:41,491 --> 00:55:48,831 to keep it going. So we know for those kind of things on not inclined to be supporting 452 00:55:48,831 --> 00:55:54,837 this right now. I do. I don't think it makes and I don't think the timing is right. And 453 00:55:54,837 --> 00:56:04,180 I think for a city like Dania and Hollywood, both the right on the line right there. This, 454 00:56:04,180 --> 00:56:07,717 you know, begins to write their it makes a difference. It helps support it. Those 455 00:56:07,717 --> 00:56:13,456 kind of jobs are in the fact that we might have another very big industry come in. You 456 00:56:13,456 --> 00:56:19,862 know, we're bored or or or business I think don't you want take that away? I think 457 00:56:19,862 --> 00:56:27,937 we're on the right track where we're going. I think it was the right place. I It gives us 458 00:56:27,937 --> 00:56:30,339 the opportunity to build the way we what we can scale it down. We can do whatever we 459 00:56:30,339 --> 00:56:36,813 have to do and we don't have to build it tomorrow. We have our choice. We can. We can. We 460 00:56:36,813 --> 00:56:43,619 can do what we do when it when we when it makes sense. But we need to send a message to the 461 00:56:43,619 --> 00:56:47,900 people in this county that we're not going to be that we're not spending w**** 462 00:56:47,900 --> 00:56:52,940 nilly. And then we understand what's in front of them. And we're going we're going to do 463 00:56:52,940 --> 00:56:58,100 the right thing. So that's the and that's one thing. I think you do want to everyone for 464 00:56:58,100 --> 00:57:02,971 put it doing all. This is a lot of work. Thanks for letting us see it. I like what 465 00:57:02,971 --> 00:57:06,442 I saw in terms that I didn't think was a government building. But I was glad to be 466 00:57:06,442 --> 00:57:10,712 able to see it. So thank you for that. That's that's my thoughts right now. 467 00:57:10,712 --> 00:57:18,512 Commissioner, thank you, Mayor >> Mr. Swinney Bell and to Commissioner Dean. Would you 468 00:57:19,122 --> 00:57:22,124 please share those companies that you've been dealing with and talking to? Because I 469 00:57:22,124 --> 00:57:28,730 issue city spoke to a couple of them. I just want to see the magnitude of the companies 470 00:57:28,730 --> 00:57:35,300 that that's what can ask in public. And so you when you can, and for someone not just 471 00:57:35,300 --> 00:57:38,607 luxury months with these companies, they can talk one on one. 472 00:57:38,607 --> 00:57:44,146 >> Excuse me, one on one with commissioners. If they choose to. Like I said, you know, 473 00:57:44,146 --> 00:57:49,285 hopefully. That I've been doing this. You've got some trust in me. I wouldn't tell 474 00:57:49,285 --> 00:57:57,159 you that they work. Well known. Remarkable companies that are looking at this. I 475 00:57:57,159 --> 00:58:00,429 want to see cup. A competition. this pains me because to lie commissioners 476 00:58:00,429 --> 00:58:03,766 that have been great business advocates and you're approaching this like a 477 00:58:03,766 --> 00:58:06,302 business with and that's what we're competing with business. This is a unique site Broward 478 00:58:06,302 --> 00:58:12,241 County. I can't disclose the company's name specifically, but I can tell you that they 479 00:58:12,241 --> 00:58:16,712 would be substantial and trust me. We have worked with them trying to save them in Broward 480 00:58:16,712 --> 00:58:23,312 County previously commissioner >> I have been called by multiple companies and 481 00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:27,322 multiple different hedge funds. I don't think they were official like with this is we 482 00:58:27,322 --> 00:58:33,129 want to do this and we might do this. But I think it's you might want I haven't had as 483 00:58:33,129 --> 00:58:39,135 much experience as Drew has had with bankruptcy. I mean, maybe they don't want Broward 484 00:58:39,135 --> 00:58:41,737 County to be in this bankruptcy game. But I have a feeling that it's, you know, 485 00:58:41,737 --> 00:58:46,409 for what everyone is saying. They want Broward County to be there for a lot of different 486 00:58:46,409 --> 00:58:52,815 reasons. In this bankruptcy court. But like I said, it's it's a free market. And if 487 00:58:52,815 --> 00:58:56,686 somebody out bids us, they out that President. >> I just want I get to the 488 00:58:56,686 --> 00:59:00,823 company's. I want to see what the competition was. And I don't want to get into 489 00:59:00,823 --> 00:59:07,563 bankruptcy world. explain that several times to the to the commission, but time 490 00:59:07,563 --> 00:59:11,330 definitely and 40 is not on our side. So we do need to make a decision very quickly. 491 00:59:11,330 --> 00:59:17,573 We're 8 days away from find the bankruptcy court that we are in tension to be a better. 492 00:59:17,573 --> 00:59:23,312 Or that we submit our stalking horse offer. So time is again, not our size. It is becoming 493 00:59:23,312 --> 00:59:33,312 time is of the essence for that? I said publicly that I'm bullish on this. I I have been 494 00:59:34,189 --> 00:59:42,531 from the beginning, especially when I visit it. But now I have grave concerns basically 495 00:59:42,531 --> 00:59:47,870 from the memorandum that we received last evening from the attorney's office. That 496 00:59:47,870 --> 00:59:53,342 concerns me puts the county position that I don't know that we want to be. And I just 497 00:59:53,342 --> 00:59:59,415 want to bring that to light. Yes, you could. You come forward because I know that 498 00:59:59,415 --> 01:00:04,686 you are been dealing with like talk to because council day for yesterday outside counsel 499 01:00:04,686 --> 01:00:09,825 got their feelings on a couple of things. But what concerns me of this June 15th memo are 500 01:00:09,825 --> 01:00:17,625 several things and what the public understand that. Kim Co national international firm 501 01:00:18,330 --> 01:00:25,233 that owns and operates shopping centers, malls. Developments such as the new 502 01:00:26,108 --> 01:00:28,844 point there, the developer, the master developers of that. And when you do a master 503 01:00:28,844 --> 01:00:34,450 development plan, mixed use. You. Create a document, you create rules, regulations, you 504 01:00:34,450 --> 01:00:44,500 create. Development agreement you to do to create all these rules and so forth and gives 505 01:00:44,460 --> 01:00:49,331 them much more power and rightly so. Because what they want to do is they want to 506 01:00:49,331 --> 01:00:54,803 kind of control what's in that and their development, their spending, billions of dollars. 507 01:00:54,803 --> 01:00:57,539 Developing this site. They want to make sure they protect their tickets that have been 508 01:00:57,539 --> 01:01:04,613 there today. The ownerships that are in there today. So I get that. But to the extent 509 01:01:04,613 --> 01:01:10,130 that >> providing. Rights to them kind of over even. 510 01:01:14,757 --> 01:01:16,892 >> A city like new beach. And I say that because if you look in the restrictions, you look 511 01:01:16,892 --> 01:01:22,564 in the guidelines. In order to even get a variance on something you might want to do 512 01:01:22,564 --> 01:01:28,703 with the site. You have to go through them before you say the city davies's. Yeah. We'll 513 01:01:28,703 --> 01:01:34,376 give you that variants. Kym Koch and say my sorry, you're not gonna get that variance 514 01:01:34,376 --> 01:01:40,469 because you're not going to be able to do that because of our development rights in orders. 515 01:01:40,469 --> 01:01:47,609 Which concerns me. And so I was talking to the and you look in the memo, you talk 516 01:01:47,609 --> 01:01:54,149 about, I just read it here provides the campus honor, which would be Cannot seek a 517 01:01:54,149 --> 01:01:58,286 variance amendment or modification to the plan. The PD the mixed use development. 518 01:01:58,286 --> 01:02:05,360 Without the prior written consent, which means tempo. Any second the first point was 519 01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:11,967 actually to that. There's a camp here which means common area maintenance fees, right? 520 01:02:11,967 --> 01:02:16,838 So when you're in a masterful a plan, you have like the kind H.O.A. per se, but you have to 521 01:02:16,838 --> 01:02:21,576 pay your portion of the grass getting caught in and maintenance of the facilities, 522 01:02:21,576 --> 01:02:23,711 the roads because he's a private roads in here. So you have all these things that you 523 01:02:23,711 --> 01:02:32,187 have to do. And that's a cost to that. And I understand yes to that. We have not even been 524 01:02:32,187 --> 01:02:39,528 provider, cannot get from Cam Co what the camp costs are. >> So we haven't been able to 525 01:02:39,528 --> 01:02:43,665 get the actual cost. current cost paid by spirit for their allocation. We've been trying 526 01:02:43,665 --> 01:02:49,404 to work with those spirits Council and the Kim code to get that information. But we 527 01:02:49,404 --> 01:02:55,770 did. We have not been able to get >> And I understand that. But 528 01:02:55,770 --> 01:02:57,879 we talked about today that the communication with Kim Cohen, he's against, can't go by 529 01:02:57,879 --> 01:03:04,153 communication a camp go. Is that? They only put. answers and that the only responded 530 01:03:04,153 --> 01:03:10,492 was via e-mails. Correct? We can't have that. We have a to have a Kirk conversation with 531 01:03:10,492 --> 01:03:16,980 them because here here getting that is. Is that the current use of the facility, the 532 01:03:16,980 --> 01:03:21,770 property today, his office and correct if I'm wrong is asked. And so we want to change the 533 01:03:21,770 --> 01:03:30,245 used to a government use. It's a permitted use. In the city of Dania Beach allows it. They 534 01:03:30,245 --> 01:03:32,847 say yes, you could permitted use for area. This particular property you can use 535 01:03:32,847 --> 01:03:41,247 government. However. However. Kim Kohat my understanding has the right. To dictate the use. 536 01:03:44,393 --> 01:03:49,464 That's it's not what exists today. So here's the problem there. And here's the problem 537 01:03:49,464 --> 01:03:56,664 Commission is that? >> They will not give us a preapproval written letter. 538 01:04:00,542 --> 01:04:06,815 >> Stating that we can use this property for what we want to use. Is that correct? 539 01:04:06,815 --> 01:04:08,817 >> They haven't stated that. So there, you know, they've stated that they're trying to 540 01:04:08,817 --> 01:04:13,755 treat us at what's to create arm's length with respect to all the interested parties in 541 01:04:13,755 --> 01:04:19,227 the transaction. And so they'll provide information to us but are not necessarily 542 01:04:19,227 --> 01:04:25,701 negotiating with or at least what they've told us any of the bidders as to our specific 543 01:04:25,701 --> 01:04:31,701 uses. They're just telling us you know, answers factual question. 544 01:04:32,307 --> 01:04:39,181 >> So have you asked them for a preapproval? Letter from them that they will pre 545 01:04:39,181 --> 01:04:43,585 approve us as a use of the facility. We have not specifically ask for proof. So 546 01:04:43,585 --> 01:04:52,260 I think that's very important because if we do not have in writing. From Kim Co that we 547 01:04:52,260 --> 01:04:58,133 can use this facility for what we want to use. We want to have commission chambers, we 548 01:04:58,133 --> 01:05:02,700 whatever those that laundry list issues that we need to use this property for. If we 549 01:05:02,700 --> 01:05:06,740 don't receive written approval from them. Then this you because we can't buy a 550 01:05:06,740 --> 01:05:12,481 property. A bit on the property, much less buy a property. And all of a sudden 551 01:05:12,481 --> 01:05:18,620 we're told we can use it for what our use. So again, get in the bankruptcy arena. We are 552 01:05:18,620 --> 01:05:24,292 today as is where is no continue. See, says we can't say our purchases. Ciliving is 553 01:05:24,292 --> 01:05:31,900 subject to getting approvals of these uses. So it's very important to me. I can't vote 554 01:05:31,900 --> 01:05:34,836 on something that I can say to the public. Yeah, we can buy so we can use what we want to 555 01:05:34,836 --> 01:05:40,709 use it for. >> And I'm understanding that thing they even that to us 556 01:05:40,709 --> 01:05:43,378 without asking us what we have an asset. But I'm asking mayor, we've got to find that 557 01:05:43,378 --> 01:05:52,978 out. First before we can even move forward because without that. The title, when will see 558 01:05:54,456 --> 01:05:57,859 transaction as commissioner UT nose and real estate transactions, you have a title 559 01:05:57,859 --> 01:06:02,931 commitment to title policy. Right? And in the due diligence, period, they 560 01:06:02,931 --> 01:06:09,937 provided a title commitment and they have schedule bees, which is basically a list of 561 01:06:09,937 --> 01:06:14,876 restrictions or things that have to be satisfied prior to closing that transaction order 562 01:06:14,876 --> 01:06:19,214 for you to pass free clear title right? always and conferences. Isn't. Is it 563 01:06:19,214 --> 01:06:25,686 something here? Yes, sir. She should me some meat. My understanding it had looked at 564 01:06:25,686 --> 01:06:33,828 the title yet on title. say all agree on. Policy you know, first, American or felt like 565 01:06:33,828 --> 01:06:42,370 that. But my understand is how many schedule bees were 70. >> There were good after good 566 01:06:42,370 --> 01:06:46,975 morning. There were 7, 0, so many exceptions that I the office the county attorney 567 01:06:46,975 --> 01:06:52,581 along with County staff is review. >> And then you have the 568 01:06:52,581 --> 01:06:54,782 Declaration of Covenants, correct? That is correct. And how large is that document? 569 01:06:54,782 --> 01:07:02,582 Has close to 100 pages. One of plus amendments. So that's another mayor and 570 01:07:03,991 --> 01:07:06,661 commissioners with what we have to make sure is that the title itself that we can even 571 01:07:06,661 --> 01:07:11,399 adhere to those exceptions in the title. >> It also also the decoration 572 01:07:11,399 --> 01:07:16,805 of confidence that we can even adhere to as well. So again, Dylan, the bankruptcy court, 573 01:07:16,805 --> 01:07:24,546 we've got 8 days away from our attention to be a better or to submit a stalking horse offer. 574 01:07:24,546 --> 01:07:27,415 Without this extensive due diligence. This still needs to be done. But more importantly. 575 01:07:27,415 --> 01:07:32,420 Get it in writing from Pimco was controlling this whole deal. understand they might 576 01:07:32,420 --> 01:07:37,358 even want to be a better. So you're competing with again. The original developer 577 01:07:37,358 --> 01:07:41,563 competing with the market, the private sector and now a loss. We're pretty much are. We 578 01:07:41,563 --> 01:07:46,381 really are. And I again, I've been bullish on this the whole time when Commissioner Union 579 01:07:46,381 --> 01:07:52,120 border forward, I said no way when saw the facility saw the opportunities that we could be 580 01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:54,540 there. I thought it would really work for us to save the hundreds of millions of 581 01:07:54,540 --> 01:07:59,727 dollars that I'm hearing. But the day, we don't have it in writing, but we can exactly do 582 01:07:59,727 --> 01:08:03,865 it. I mean, exactly. We can put commission chambers and there we can park them there. 583 01:08:03,865 --> 01:08:09,300 We can use your roads there. We can use X x* if we don't have that in writing. This is 584 01:08:09,300 --> 01:08:15,477 null and void as far as I'm concerned and then deal with the title issue separately. So 585 01:08:15,477 --> 01:08:20,348 that's what really, really concerns me at this tea at this late hour. Unfortunately, 586 01:08:20,348 --> 01:08:25,286 see this, I think at 8 o'clock last night. And again, I commend you for due diligence 587 01:08:25,286 --> 01:08:28,289 and it needs to continue because the obviously is very extensive. I haven't been in 588 01:08:28,289 --> 01:08:32,693 the data room, but I leave that to the experts when it comes to that. But so that's 589 01:08:32,693 --> 01:08:39,100 my feeling. Is point? just commissioner decided on that, right? So we are continuing to 590 01:08:39,100 --> 01:08:43,772 do diligence. We've, you know, as you state, we may not >> be in a position to be the 591 01:08:43,772 --> 01:08:48,509 stalking horse to next week. But if you know, the board wanted to to be something on, 592 01:08:48,509 --> 01:08:53,782 the extended >> But by nursing talking to legal counsel, council, you 593 01:08:53,782 --> 01:09:02,182 have. Preferential treatment, but you have the better in sight. If you become stalking 594 01:09:02,457 --> 01:09:07,620 horse or least play the game as a stalking horse, you have the ability to gain more 595 01:09:07,620 --> 01:09:11,800 information, more opportunities, then you would just coming in as outside 596 01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:16,671 bitter to the day for the July 23rd options going to take place, correct? 597 01:09:16,671 --> 01:09:21,900 >> That's correct. But just based on the information that year, you know that you just 598 01:09:21,900 --> 01:09:25,279 raised the facts that you just raise, which is that by next week, we probably do not have 599 01:09:25,279 --> 01:09:29,817 the information 2 because stalking horse means that on the 24th we have assigned per 600 01:09:29,817 --> 01:09:34,155 purchase agreement. Right? So we are committed to purchasing the asset at that point. 601 01:09:34,155 --> 01:09:40,561 >> there's a draw, no continue sees Koukash as is where is and so. Probably will not have 602 01:09:40,561 --> 01:09:46,834 the information. We noticed that the use of the property by Good. Thank you. 603 01:09:46,834 --> 01:09:56,711 >> Mr. Met one second. I want them to go on numbers you over done. thank you. Mr. Mayor the 604 01:09:56,711 --> 01:09:59,580 first like to begin by thanking both you Commissioner Udin for bringing this matter 605 01:09:59,580 --> 01:10:07,540 up and pushing this. I think that efforts to save hundreds of millions of dollars are 606 01:10:07,540 --> 01:10:16,530 always fruitful. I think it shows the public. That we're really are trying to be as as 607 01:10:16,530 --> 01:10:23,270 frugal as we can. And I sincerely mean it when I say that. I appreciate both you 608 01:10:23,270 --> 01:10:28,943 and commissioner unity in for leading efforts to try and save us. Hundreds of millions 609 01:10:28,943 --> 01:10:35,349 of dollars. And I will say that as of yesterday, I was still undecided as to where I 610 01:10:35,349 --> 01:10:42,490 was as of today. I am not because 3 issues have come up that have decided in 611 01:10:42,490 --> 01:10:52,900 opposition to this. The first one is. At the last meeting I raised questions about where 612 01:10:52,300 --> 01:10:59,574 the alliance was based on a prior conversation. But at the time, I did not know exactly 613 01:10:59,574 --> 01:11:06,714 what that position of Mister Swindle was. Just a great questions this morning. I find 614 01:11:06,714 --> 01:11:11,652 found out what Mister Swindle its position is and how serious these discussions had 615 01:11:11,652 --> 01:11:19,593 And that is one of the 3 factors with which led me to the second one is I drove it 616 01:11:19,593 --> 01:11:27,468 today this morning. I just want to read the directions to directions to get to this 617 01:11:27,468 --> 01:11:36,744 building are go to Broward Boulevard. Take a right on what's The I was coming due 618 01:11:36,744 --> 01:11:43,840 West, a wave on offer of Stirling Road. So I just came east from West. Stirling Road 619 01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:49,223 to 18th Avenue to Point Boulevard to North campus, way to Rady and Drive. And by the 620 01:11:49,223 --> 01:11:59,223 way, I lost a GPS but cause North campus way doesn't have a street sign on. So it had to 621 01:11:59,967 --> 01:12:07,375 go around that. I don't think is the appropriate location for for a government center to 622 01:12:07,375 --> 01:12:13,581 have it in the middle of a master development where candidly, as I said a GPS, I 623 01:12:13,581 --> 01:12:22,656 got lost. But the major factor, the when I read it and said no. It's the 624 01:12:22,656 --> 01:12:31,560 same issue. That my colleague Commissioner Fisher just brought up. I think all of, 625 01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:40,207 you land use attorney. When I read the memo from Anika this morning. I looked at that and 626 01:12:40,207 --> 01:12:49,550 said it is impossible for us to close on this property with all of these Kathy Ot's it 627 01:12:49,550 --> 01:12:57,558 could get it for. 300 million dollars or 400 million dollars last. If we can't use the 628 01:12:57,558 --> 01:13:05,500 building the way we want to use it, it's a white elephant. And having read the memo as an 629 01:13:05,500 --> 01:13:09,837 attorney has a zoning and land use attorney, I looked at that and said you can close on 630 01:13:09,837 --> 01:13:16,243 this. You know, we just we can't we don't know if we'll be able to use the building 631 01:13:16,243 --> 01:13:23,117 the way we need to use the building. So I honestly yesterday with still 632 01:13:23,117 --> 01:13:29,390 undecided, I told you at the last meeting I thought they were merits on both sides. And 633 01:13:29,390 --> 01:13:34,195 but today based on that those 3 issues, I did reach my decision and it's I I would 634 01:13:34,195 --> 01:13:41,135 not be able to support it. Having said that, I want to close by just again, thanking 635 01:13:41,135 --> 01:13:45,606 Commissioner you Dean, a new Mr mayor for doing this. If you want talk to you, you're 636 01:13:45,606 --> 01:13:51,780 mayor, you want to put it do whatever you want. Bot whenever we do vote on this, 637 01:13:51,780 --> 01:13:56,896 I'm going to be opposed to this. Also aided represent all of Dania Beach. And I was in 638 01:13:56,896 --> 01:14:01,767 the Senate and I still always have warm and the city of represented. And I'm trying to 639 01:14:01,767 --> 01:14:07,773 be nice to Dania Beach because I used to represent that. So whatever you want to do, Mr. 640 01:14:07,773 --> 01:14:14,113 Mayor, terms of when we vote, but I will be voting no. >> And take 60 seconds and 641 01:14:14,113 --> 01:14:18,784 handed back to Commissioner Eugene because it's his item by 60 seconds are basically 642 01:14:18,784 --> 01:14:25,991 this. This item is dead in the water. If we don't get as commissioner Fisher said, if 643 01:14:25,991 --> 01:14:29,529 we don't get that assurance is that we can use the building and property as we would want 644 01:14:29,529 --> 01:14:32,731 use it. And that's one of the reasons why I was going to ask Commissioner you Dean 2 differ 645 01:14:32,731 --> 01:14:38,537 this because it even if we set a meeting for next week, if we can't get it, there's not 646 01:14:38,537 --> 01:14:40,940 going to be meeting because this thing is dead in the water. No matter what. You are 647 01:14:40,940 --> 01:14:45,611 not going to bid on something that we can't use. But I'm gonna spend the next 30 648 01:14:45,611 --> 01:14:53,219 seconds I understand that. But there's but having said I understand that I just I can't 649 01:14:53,219 --> 01:15:00,626 I just can let me just finish the 30 seconds. I just want to make sure it's clear with 650 01:15:00,626 --> 01:15:06,832 Senator Reid said about buying the property per 65 Million. And she mentioned the number 651 01:15:06,832 --> 01:15:10,503 600 Million. The total amount of that building. we got from since COVID those numbers, 652 01:15:10,503 --> 01:15:14,973 certainly they could be change is close to 3 quarters of a billion. And so I just want 653 01:15:14,973 --> 01:15:21,981 make sure we are talking commissioner for just talked about the optics again. I 654 01:15:21,981 --> 01:15:25,584 think the opposite it's a good point. But then the optics of our other alternative 655 01:15:25,584 --> 01:15:29,321 spending, 3 quarters of a billion is horrible optics as well. Then you should agree 656 01:15:29,321 --> 01:15:33,993 with that. If we're going to pump the brakes. Spice mayor said it is that we pump the 657 01:15:33,993 --> 01:15:39,665 brakes on everything we should be pumping. The brakes and everything. Last time we had a 658 01:15:39,665 --> 01:15:43,936 meeting, let's keep this going on across the street. If we're going to pump the brakes 659 01:15:43,936 --> 01:15:48,607 because it's a potential financial disaster coming, we should be pumping the brakes 660 01:15:48,607 --> 01:15:53,479 on everything I want to let you know, though, that I to make up these numbers since 661 01:15:53,479 --> 01:15:58,284 COVID that provided the original numbers we met yesterday. Their but they're 662 01:15:58,284 --> 01:16:06,292 like 2030%, based on what they have of. You know, they're testament 100% accurate. But I 663 01:16:06,292 --> 01:16:10,229 didn't just make up these numbers. We spend an hour and have talking about where would 664 01:16:10,229 --> 01:16:14,767 come in if we did certain things differently. So I just want to make sure, you know, 665 01:16:14,767 --> 01:16:18,971 you know that. and even with the current situation, if if we were able to get what we 666 01:16:18,971 --> 01:16:24,109 need, we'd still be saving 200 million with that said, I since I don't know if there's 667 01:16:24,109 --> 01:16:30,583 a need to continue. Do continue because he what he wants to defer. He wants to 668 01:16:30,583 --> 01:16:37,522 withdraw the item so I could recognize the people on the phone. you know, Commissioner 669 01:16:37,522 --> 01:16:40,459 Davis and Commissioner Rogers, but I think the item, which is brought by commissioner you 670 01:16:40,459 --> 01:16:49,468 Dean, he wants to pull it. you talk to OK committee, you know, Commissioner Rogers and 671 01:16:49,468 --> 01:16:54,873 Commissioner knowing there and still want to speak on this. >> At it's not necessary. He's 672 01:16:54,873 --> 01:17:01,414 going to try the item just so, you know, basic. I do have concerns as well. mean, 673 01:17:01,414 --> 01:17:08,614 forward on that building. It also won't be available next week, either. 674 01:17:10,756 --> 01:17:20,756 >> You won't be available for a phone or in person or both. >> In-person rba No OK, we 675 01:17:20,766 --> 01:17:24,370 could have our meeting in Orlando even to the We'll have a meeting and is safe for you. 676 01:17:24,370 --> 01:17:30,370 That's OK, no problem of the commission. work, not Commissioner 677 01:17:37,916 --> 01:17:42,588 >> Just to clear up one or 2 things, I did speak to David Coddington. The dad brought 678 01:17:42,588 --> 01:17:44,857 this up like a month ago and he said, you know, there would be companies that are going to 679 01:17:44,857 --> 01:17:49,461 look at this. And I think David would tell you my exact answer to him. Most keep going 680 01:17:49,461 --> 01:17:52,932 on that route because if there's companies that are looking at it, there should be 681 01:17:52,932 --> 01:17:59,672 you're not insulting me by saying there's companies that are going to look at this the 682 01:17:59,672 --> 01:18:01,941 wonderful thing about the private sector's, they can be a little bit more nimble. 683 01:18:01,941 --> 01:18:07,546 We're never going to get the answers to your questions by next week. Anyway. And I guess 684 01:18:07,546 --> 01:18:13,552 all of this will be proved out by the marketplace in the next few weeks. I'm going withdraw 685 01:18:13,552 --> 01:18:18,223 my motion. I'm not asking for that to be put up to vote next week August. When we come back 686 01:18:18,223 --> 01:18:22,895 from vacation or when we come back from break, we can see what the situation is by then. 687 01:18:22,895 --> 01:18:27,366 I'm sure we'll have a big company that's interested in. will have other companies that 688 01:18:27,366 --> 01:18:32,237 will a bit on this. And I guess we're going to get to say how this plays out. But 689 01:18:32,237 --> 01:18:35,307 we're not going to be able to get to a place no matter how long we stay here today or 690 01:18:35,307 --> 01:18:45,117 even if we came next week. To where we need to be. So I withdraw the motion. 691 01:18:45,117 --> 01:18:50,256 >> Are you saying you don't want us to set up another meeting? Is that your 692 01:18:50,256 --> 01:18:51,857 position? >> I'm not. We can set up another meeting, but it 693 01:18:51,857 --> 01:18:53,859 doesn't have to be a special meeting next week because we're going to be the same 694 01:18:53,859 --> 01:18:59,397 place. They're not going to get these Anybody in that we're not at 5 in the other. 695 01:18:59,397 --> 01:19:04,803 In the situation we do get insurance is doing its of the media. 696 01:19:04,803 --> 01:19:06,872 >> Not before Brett. We're not. We don't do this week. I'll do it and will do it in 697 01:19:06,872 --> 01:19:12,544 August. If somebody comes in out bids us. >> Then we shake their hand. 698 01:19:12,544 --> 01:19:16,282 We bring there's no there's no bidding. We something about it. If somebody comes in and 699 01:19:16,282 --> 01:19:19,618 takes a property, I'm hearing from everybody that there's so many different interested 700 01:19:19,618 --> 01:19:24,690 bettors in this. I guess we're going to be proved out. >> During July about how 701 01:19:24,690 --> 01:19:28,760 correct that is. I have a feeling that a lot of people were waiting to see what 702 01:19:28,760 --> 01:19:33,899 Broward County was going to do because we are the best and natural user for that space. 703 01:19:33,899 --> 01:19:39,572 The companies that are going to look at that >> are not going to have the 704 01:19:39,572 --> 01:19:41,640 So just to let you know, I'm gonna talk to council. If there's a way we can get 705 01:19:41,640 --> 01:19:48,380 assurances great if not dead. morning we have for a vote. It will be mayor. 706 01:19:48,380 --> 01:19:54,252 >> I don't think I don't think it's dead. It could come back in August. You can like it. I 707 01:19:54,252 --> 01:19:56,322 like it anybody else. Can bring it Just I'm not gonna make everybody come for a 708 01:19:56,322 --> 01:20:00,392 special meeting next I know we're not gonna have the answers. If we have these 709 01:20:00,392 --> 01:20:02,728 answers and you think that there's an ability to do that, somebody else can ask for 710 01:20:02,728 --> 01:20:11,728 special that. Mr. if you do ask for special meeting as Commissioner Davis said, I'm 711 01:20:11,813 --> 01:20:16,752 leaving Tuesday She's leaving. So could you do it on Tuesday? You do Monday, Monday or 712 01:20:16,752 --> 01:20:22,752 Tuesday, just not after Tuesday. >> keep in mind, mayor, that 713 01:20:22,891 --> 01:20:25,694 Wednesday is the deadline to provide the intention to bid and a stalking horse offer. So 714 01:20:25,694 --> 01:20:32,167 we need to have time from legal to be Oprah for and provide a stalking So we're is 715 01:20:32,167 --> 01:20:38,506 of the other on the legal side. We'll move forward. right. I unless we're going to 716 01:20:38,506 --> 01:20:44,979 call them will get together. >> With administration, write with to me. We're going to 717 01:20:44,979 --> 01:20:51,119 call them my I'm told we've asked things we've asked for certain information. We may 718 01:20:51,119 --> 01:20:56,792 have not asked that the right way. We're going to ask for definitive information if we 719 01:20:56,792 --> 01:20:58,727 have it, then we can. We will move forward with the due diligence will let the mayor 720 01:20:58,727 --> 01:21:03,931 know we can call a special meeting if we're not going to get the assurances but say by 721 01:21:03,931 --> 01:21:08,670 tomorrow or, you know, sufficient information then will advise the mayor of will 722 01:21:08,670 --> 01:21:13,700 be no special meeting called in commissioner Eugene said. And as you're saying, 723 01:21:13,700 --> 01:21:16,678 Commissioner Fisher will miss the opportunity through the bankruptcy court debate on 724 01:21:16,678 --> 01:21:23,752 this. But we'll see what happens. And you never say never, you know afterwards. So 725 01:21:23,752 --> 01:21:28,756 >> that's fine by Listen, I'm told Kim Cole has a prize on their hands. So they may not 726 01:21:28,756 --> 01:21:34,963 want to deal with us. They may want to deal with because the values can be there. I would 727 01:21:34,963 --> 01:21:37,232 rather senator of anybody can touch. Richard, you want us to I just want to make one. I 728 01:21:37,232 --> 01:21:42,770 want to correct the record for debate and the debate for units. 729 01:21:42,770 --> 01:21:45,907 >> Because I I was I was looking at this and I didn't speak accurately. So I was 730 01:21:45,907 --> 01:21:54,490 reading from the proposed property taxes, 4 and for for a spirit for this year. And so 731 01:21:54,490 --> 01:22:01,322 I just want to clarify the person, the portion that was the county Commission tax was 732 01:22:01,322 --> 01:22:06,722 755 1 million, 668,000 1000 yet sorry million. sorry. Excuse me. 765,668. The Dania 733 01:22:15,270 --> 01:22:23,478 Beach portion was 799,000. That was the tax and the total tax of all valorem taxes in 734 01:22:23,478 --> 01:22:31,153 the county that spirit paid was 2 million, $80800,000. So I just want it clear what the 735 01:22:31,153 --> 01:22:37,826 tax base is and probably what any company that Mr window was talking about could be 736 01:22:37,826 --> 01:22:41,629 providing the same tax base for the county. So that's that part. And the second part is I 737 01:22:41,629 --> 01:22:46,702 just want to make it really clear. Have said over and over, I want to put the brakes 738 01:22:46,702 --> 01:22:55,430 on everything there. Mayor, I'd like you to hear this, please. court. I I have said I 739 01:22:55,430 --> 01:23:01,490 don't want to spend 7 per of But I'm talking to you, please. Okay. I I I don't want 740 01:23:01,490 --> 01:23:09,449 to spend 700 million dollars 1000 million dollars on on the current land. Property that we 741 01:23:10,324 --> 01:23:16,331 have with Gore. I don't want to go out right now and do anything. I've said it again 742 01:23:16,331 --> 01:23:22,937 and again. So I just want to make it clear. I'm not voting ever to spend that kind of 743 01:23:22,937 --> 01:23:27,942 money building either. But I'm not voting to spend I'm not going to spend anything while 744 01:23:27,942 --> 01:23:35,142 we're dealing with the Evelyn tax issue. Okay. That's it. Okay. Great. 745 01:23:36,818 --> 01:23:44,250 >> Commissioner Rogers, I just didn't hear from you. Did you want to add anything? 746 01:23:44,250 --> 01:23:53,250 >> Commissioner the mayor? Yes. OK, I And the same position. The more I to this 747 01:23:55,904 --> 01:24:05,504 debate and I see that on resident of the county. I am with Senator. And then 748 01:24:05,714 --> 01:24:13,514 Relieving maybe we need it. The decision that impact budget without knowing really 749 01:24:15,590 --> 01:24:25,400 what our coaches going So that where am right now? Am glad that we're going Later date, 750 01:24:25,400 --> 01:24:30,739 based on what the attorneys David. Whether or not there's an opportunity for us, the 751 01:24:30,739 --> 01:24:40,739 county to her. need As I stand right now, I am. Reporting what manager Ridge they did. I 752 01:24:42,170 --> 01:24:51,426 don't believe we need to for the incumbent, you know, go out and commit for And fact, 753 01:24:51,426 --> 01:24:58,567 the 100 until we know where revenue cent. But the voters in all colors. 754 01:24:58,567 --> 01:25:08,376 >> Thank you. I believe the covers are meeting for this. So so so so mayor, it sounds 755 01:25:08,376 --> 01:25:14,715 like and just to summarize, it sounds like we have at least 5 people who or at least alright 756 01:25:14,715 --> 01:25:18,787 mate, but at least 5, you agree, Sevens at least other. That is that a book? You my my 757 01:25:18,787 --> 01:25:25,393 point is just to should we not what we We both do. It only a vote not to do it. The we no 758 01:25:25,393 --> 01:25:33,100 power means So we'll we'll ask him the question. I don't get the answer. We're not gonna 759 01:25:33,100 --> 01:25:37,739 spend more money and do Yeah. It's that okay. Okay. Okay. I just wanted to make sure 760 01:25:37,739 --> 01:25:44,339 because I >> Can you guys please use your microphones? I'm sorry. 761 01:25:45,413 --> 01:25:47,416 >> I'm if it's withdrawn, I don't think there's anything withdrew it. There's nothing 762 01:25:47,416 --> 01:25:53,955 to vote on. He would resign. Mayor, I was just saying if it were possible that are coming 763 01:25:53,955 --> 01:25:56,158 back, we want to do the due diligence. But it sounds like that's not going to happen. So 764 01:25:56,158 --> 01:26:00,962 stop religion says see if they'll be willing to give a letter. One question one want 765 01:26:00,962 --> 01:26:04,566 know when you said seven-on-seven your thing, your own numbers. If we got 766 01:26:04,566 --> 01:26:09,704 that churns, I think Commissioner Fisher said he would be bullish on correct I 767 01:26:09,704 --> 01:26:13,374 can get if I want to get all the shirts exactly what we can do this property and I would 768 01:26:13,374 --> 01:26:15,443 definitely look at it again for sure. And also make sure that the title issues are good 769 01:26:15,443 --> 01:26:20,257 with the decoration of cupcakes. That too was an issue with the but those 2 770 01:26:20,257 --> 01:26:24,795 things. And then you like to make decision that if we give, you know, Senator Geller, new 771 01:26:24,795 --> 01:26:30,670 GPS system, he might be able to get, you know, you might be able to find it and therefore 772 01:26:30,670 --> 01:26:37,607 he might change his vote. Who to book? What are over we're done. There's a more to So we 773 01:26:37,607 --> 01:26:43,948 don't I just want to clarify, though, I agree with what Commissioner Fisher said. It's 774 01:26:43,948 --> 01:26:48,886 not just one letter we're talking about. It's just it's the whole panoply of there's 775 01:26:48,886 --> 01:26:52,223 no point in moving forward. If you don't have a city, much talent, Broward counties not 776 01:26:52,223 --> 01:26:55,492 going to be there to prop up their bid. Right now, we'll have another shot to get this. 777 01:26:55,492 --> 01:27:01,165 >> It's fine. We'll have a You know, we will up watch. Let's see how the bankruptcy auction 778 01:27:01,165 --> 01:27:08,965 goes. If we're not there. >> Okay. Any Joining the meeting doing I would. 779 01:27:12,175 --> 01:27:18,382 >> journey to go to get a journey that morning go to for that we're doing anything out 780 01:27:18,382 --> 01:27:22,386 of mine to go. Why do we need to go to 4.30? Why can't we just say here? Cause we have 781 01:27:22,386 --> 01:27:27,858 it all set up there. And if we just want what set up there, all the everything's in the 782 01:27:27,858 --> 01:27:32,930 room are were But to clarify, just drew, do you know what you guys are dying? You know, 783 01:27:32,930 --> 01:27:37,670 so so right now. >> You don't have authority to submit a stalking horse bid to 784 01:27:37,670 --> 01:27:41,500 submit a letter of interest or anything else starting change is we're going to make a 785 01:27:41,500 --> 01:27:46,610 couple of calls. We'll let the mayor know. We'll take it from there. That's maybe they'll 786 01:27:46,610 --> 01:27:48,610 call us.