1 00:00:08,180 --> 00:00:16,820 Good evening. Welcome to this Brownsburg town working session. Today, our meeting will focus on the design aspect of the Brownsburg Aquatic Center Project. 2 00:00:17,500 --> 00:00:21,720 We appreciate everyone's presence this evening, and participation in this matter tonight is important. 3 00:00:22,900 --> 00:00:27,000 The event is going to start with a presentation by Williams Architect. They are a consultant. 4 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:35,680 After the presentation, there will be a Q&A session where you can ask questions. If you'd like to ask a question publicly, please add your name to a sign-up sheet at the back of the room. 5 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:41,240 Each speaker will be given three minutes to speak and introduce a topic, a new topic for discussion. 6 00:00:41,820 --> 00:00:45,580 And finally, there will be a breakout session so that you can provide feedback on designs for the aquatic center. 7 00:00:45,740 --> 00:00:51,540 So once we get through the presentation, you get your questions asked, we will answer those questions, 8 00:00:51,860 --> 00:01:00,420 then there'll be a further breakout session where we'll go to the side boost here to talk to each person individually. 9 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:05,520 At the start of the meeting, you were given a comment card. 10 00:01:05,860 --> 00:01:07,400 If you must leave before the meeting concludes, 11 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:09,920 please fill out the card and hand it back to one of our staff members. 12 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:13,740 Your feedback will be used to create an online Frequently Asked Questions section 13 00:01:14,320 --> 00:01:16,460 addressing any questions or concerns you may have expressed. 14 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:19,380 If you're watching from home, you can leave us a comment online 15 00:01:19,380 --> 00:01:22,520 at brownsburg.org forward slash aquatic center. 16 00:01:23,660 --> 00:01:25,640 Now, Williams Architects is ready if you want to come up here 17 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:26,680 and begin your presentation. 18 00:01:33,230 --> 00:01:34,790 Is the microphone working? 19 00:01:34,790 --> 00:01:39,370 All right. So I'm going to just jump right in. 20 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:52,660 I will let the, sorry, before you get started there, I'll make one further announcement too while we're doing this and for the folks online. 21 00:01:52,980 --> 00:01:56,680 We're going to be having two additional public input sessions for the Aquatic Center. 22 00:01:57,180 --> 00:02:01,820 Those dates will be November 2, which is two weeks from today. 23 00:02:02,660 --> 00:02:08,760 And the next meeting will be November 14, which is almost a month from today. 24 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:10,680 It's four weeks from today, minus a day. 25 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:12,900 It'll be that Wednesday, the 14th. 26 00:02:13,980 --> 00:02:21,020 And then we will have the meeting start times and all that information post online when we finalize the starting times. 27 00:02:21,100 --> 00:02:22,000 But those will be the dates. 28 00:02:22,700 --> 00:02:22,880 All right. 29 00:02:22,940 --> 00:02:23,520 Sorry, Ted, go ahead. 30 00:02:23,780 --> 00:02:24,260 All right. 31 00:02:25,820 --> 00:02:30,520 Today, for the Aquatic Center, we're going to be sharing information about the building program. 32 00:02:30,980 --> 00:02:36,340 And then I'm going to share a high level site plan that kind of puts the site in context. 33 00:02:36,340 --> 00:02:42,020 and then we'll look at main and upper level plans of the building. George will 34 00:02:42,020 --> 00:02:46,420 jump in at that point and talk in a little more detail about the poor bodies 35 00:02:46,420 --> 00:02:50,140 themselves and then I'll share the exterior renderings of the building. 36 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:55,300 We'll touch on what the budget is expected to be and then we'll answer 37 00:02:55,300 --> 00:02:56,400 questions after that. 38 00:02:58,830 --> 00:03:02,250 First, so this is a written description of what's 39 00:03:02,250 --> 00:03:04,130 included in the building itself. 40 00:03:05,290 --> 00:03:09,430 Big picture, it's about 24,000 square feet, slightly less. 41 00:03:10,250 --> 00:03:12,650 The largest component is obviously 42 00:03:12,650 --> 00:03:15,130 the indoor aquatics portion of the building 43 00:03:15,130 --> 00:03:16,970 at about 7,000 square feet. 44 00:03:17,730 --> 00:03:20,590 And then we have support facilities, 45 00:03:20,910 --> 00:03:23,950 locker areas, changing rooms, et cetera. 46 00:03:24,670 --> 00:03:28,550 Customer service aspects of the building are next. 47 00:03:29,270 --> 00:03:32,210 And then we do have some multi-use rooms. 48 00:03:32,330 --> 00:03:33,670 I'll talk about that in more detail 49 00:03:33,670 --> 00:03:35,330 when I share the plans. 50 00:03:35,630 --> 00:03:37,670 And then obviously the support spaces 51 00:03:37,670 --> 00:03:39,770 that are needed to run the building. 52 00:03:41,570 --> 00:03:43,990 You'll see a component on this program. 53 00:03:44,430 --> 00:03:46,190 It's called Parks and Rec Administration. 54 00:03:46,710 --> 00:03:48,290 That's called out as zero right now. 55 00:03:49,130 --> 00:03:52,750 During the original RFP for the project, 56 00:03:52,870 --> 00:03:54,910 it was anticipated that the building might have 57 00:03:55,550 --> 00:03:57,890 Parks and Rec staff offices in it, 58 00:03:57,890 --> 00:04:04,190 but we've made the decision to remove them from the program at this point in favor of 59 00:04:04,190 --> 00:04:08,530 including additional multi-use rooms for the community. 60 00:04:09,490 --> 00:04:14,770 And then the last chunk of the space is the common space, which would include the lobby 61 00:04:14,770 --> 00:04:19,990 area, toilet support, et cetera, and then an observation mezzanine that I'll show 62 00:04:19,990 --> 00:04:24,110 you on the plan, and then some miscellaneous square footage that's kind of built in 63 00:04:24,110 --> 00:04:24,630 the plan. 64 00:04:27,830 --> 00:04:35,090 This is a big picture view of the chunk of the site that we're using off of 65 00:04:35,090 --> 00:04:40,310 West Main Street for the building. You can see at the bottom there is the building itself 66 00:04:40,310 --> 00:04:48,090 in the pool. It shows that we're including approximately at this point 160 total parking 67 00:04:48,090 --> 00:04:55,450 stalls, but according to the zoning requirements, we need the land bank additional space for 68 00:04:55,450 --> 00:05:01,170 parking stalls. So that's kind of the green space between Main Street and then the parking 69 00:05:01,170 --> 00:05:07,330 lot you see there. And then off to the side is a potential future parking area. We just 70 00:05:07,330 --> 00:05:12,310 sketched that in because it was part of the kind of the overall master plan that 71 00:05:12,310 --> 00:05:13,450 we had access to. 72 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:21,820 Next, so now I'm going to jump in. This is the main level plan itself. 73 00:05:22,860 --> 00:05:30,940 You can see at the front of the building is the main entry to the building is here. 74 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:39,240 It enters into a public lobby space that kind of is controlled and monitored by this desk 75 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:44,940 right here which would be the admissions desk for the entire pool area. There's 76 00:05:44,940 --> 00:05:48,580 that you enter here into a common locker space area 77 00:05:48,580 --> 00:05:52,320 and the direction we went with this in lieu of 78 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:54,620 like men's and women's locker rooms 79 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:58,900 are 14 unisex changing rooms. 80 00:06:03,620 --> 00:06:06,400 I think it results in probably a little less square footage 81 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:08,640 dedicated to that kind of that overall area 82 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:12,980 plus it increases functionality I would say. 83 00:06:12,980 --> 00:06:18,860 kind of an ancillary benefit to it is the lockers end up being out in the public spaces, 84 00:06:19,060 --> 00:06:24,820 which mean then you can be, those can be covered by cameras if you choose. It's kind of a way 85 00:06:24,820 --> 00:06:34,120 to help prevent theft. So those areas are here. Let me get my cursor. That's this area here. 86 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:39,060 All of these, each of these little rooms here is a changing area. It's toilet, shower, 87 00:06:39,060 --> 00:06:45,160 sink combination blockers in this area here and then we call it a groom and 88 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:52,780 counter shared countertop space. So from this area you can enter the indoor 89 00:06:52,780 --> 00:06:59,720 nadatorium at this point. During during the summer season when the outdoor pool 90 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:05,580 is open you'd go down this hallway here and you'd enter the outdoor pool 91 00:07:05,580 --> 00:07:12,200 environment kind of through this vestibule. So adjacent to the outdoor pool on the building 92 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:18,580 side of things is the one multi, we call it a multi-use room. It's intended to be focused 93 00:07:18,580 --> 00:07:26,960 on rental for birthday parties and things like that. The program also includes a concessions 94 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:32,740 area right here. The intent behind that, the way it's laid out right now is we have 95 00:07:32,740 --> 00:07:39,660 a service window. We call it behind the fence of the pool so we could serve the pool area 96 00:07:39,660 --> 00:07:44,080 but since the building is part of the bigger master plan for the whole park we did want 97 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:50,900 to allow for the opportunity for the concessions to be open while the outdoor pool is closed. 98 00:07:53,180 --> 00:08:00,700 So we have made two service windows for that concessions right now. This here is a building 99 00:08:00,700 --> 00:08:01,800 mechanical space. 100 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:08,600 This is a slight difference from the early iterations of the plan and it was 101 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:15,660 all done on the interest of saving money based on information from our mechanical engineers 102 00:08:15,660 --> 00:08:21,020 on that project. Behind the outdoor or behind the indoor pool at the back of the building is 103 00:08:21,020 --> 00:08:27,340 the pool mechanical room and that would serve both the indoor pool and the outdoor pool. 104 00:08:28,580 --> 00:08:38,840 So, the outdoor pool, deck space around the activity pool with a zero entry edge, and 105 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:44,220 then we call this the Lazy River area here, like a current channel type of the thing. 106 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:54,040 Seating around kind of the perimeter of the paved area, some canopies for shade in this 107 00:08:54,040 --> 00:09:01,200 area and then an area of turf right there. This here at the back is the, is a water slide. 108 00:09:01,560 --> 00:09:08,700 So two water slides actually, what do we call them? Those are the run-out slides, run-out 109 00:09:08,700 --> 00:09:14,860 slides, two run-out slides. So they, the intent there is you'd, instead of those slides 110 00:09:14,860 --> 00:09:19,160 going into the pool itself, you'd run out and slow down. That's what these lengths 111 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:26,020 here are there. I'm going to jump quick to the upper level and then come back to 112 00:09:26,020 --> 00:09:34,740 this one. So this is the upper level of the building, open to below at the public 113 00:09:34,740 --> 00:09:40,760 lobby space in front and then the indoor and auditorium at the back. This is 114 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:46,360 the space that was originally intended for Parks and Rec office space but 115 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:53,060 instead during design we've changed it to two multi-use rooms each at about 800 square feet 116 00:09:53,840 --> 00:10:00,640 and those on the pool side they front like cursor go they they kind of the doors are off that 117 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:07,580 observation deck and the intent behind that is a glass wall that separates that space from the 118 00:10:07,580 --> 00:10:13,280 pool below but that would be the spot where parents would be able to see into the pool 119 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:16,540 while kids are in swim lessons, things like that. 120 00:10:17,340 --> 00:10:19,340 And then the last component on the upper level 121 00:10:19,340 --> 00:10:22,920 is this outdoor terrace on the right side of the plan. 122 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:24,580 Right here. 123 00:10:27,550 --> 00:10:30,090 I think that covers generally the building plan. 124 00:10:30,290 --> 00:10:33,470 I'm gonna let Jor, too early, too early. 125 00:10:36,420 --> 00:10:36,900 Back to my, 126 00:10:41,340 --> 00:10:42,580 yeah, get back to my plan. 127 00:10:42,740 --> 00:10:43,040 Sorry. 128 00:10:47,980 --> 00:10:48,280 Go. 129 00:10:54,860 --> 00:10:55,500 Hey, good evening. 130 00:10:55,740 --> 00:10:58,360 So the one thing we wanted to talk about 131 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:05,660 was really just the vision behind, including the bodies of water that we did. We wanted 132 00:11:05,660 --> 00:11:13,960 to be very intentional about providing opportunities for the entire community. And so at the outset 133 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:22,480 that really went toward having indoor and outdoor water. Anytime we do outdoor aquatics 134 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:28,620 only the question inevitably arises well that's that's great for 80 to 85 days 135 00:11:28,620 --> 00:11:32,480 out of the year but what about what about the rest of the year and so having 136 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:35,560 this layout with the two bodies of water they really complement each other in 137 00:11:35,560 --> 00:11:39,660 terms of being able to offer the community aquatic opportunities on a 138 00:11:39,660 --> 00:11:43,580 year-round basis you know starting with the outdoor pool anytime we design 139 00:11:43,580 --> 00:11:50,160 an outdoor aquatic area we always want to have capacity we want to have 140 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:53,560 thrill attractions and we want to have children's areas and those are the three 141 00:11:53,560 --> 00:11:57,100 main things that we want to incorporate into any design for outdoor 142 00:11:57,100 --> 00:12:01,620 aquatics and so with this plan we have all three of those we have the lazy river 143 00:12:01,620 --> 00:12:08,160 and you know shallow area as our capacity holder we have the water 144 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:13,660 slides as the thrill attraction and then we also have the large zero depth 145 00:12:13,660 --> 00:12:18,780 entry with the different vertical sprays and plays for the children and 146 00:12:18,780 --> 00:12:25,160 And so we can really encompass something that will accommodate families together on the outdoor 147 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:31,980 side and then complement that, you know, that water can also serve as programmable water 148 00:12:31,980 --> 00:12:32,580 in the summertime. 149 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:34,120 You can run swim lessons out there. 150 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:38,960 You can do resistance walking in the Lazy River before it opens to the public in 151 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:39,280 the morning. 152 00:12:40,340 --> 00:12:46,740 And then on the indoor side, we really looked at, you know, A, that since the high school 153 00:12:46,740 --> 00:12:52,120 does have the 50 meter facility that we don't need this to be a large competitive venue but 154 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:57,960 we wanted to incorporate some lap lanes for fitness swimming and then those can also double 155 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:03,480 as good space for swimming lessons and water fitness classes but then also complement that 156 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:10,480 with a zero depth entry again inside that we can have year round recreation for families 157 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:16,240 and so specifically with the indoor side you know three lap lanes doesn't seem like a lot 158 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:21,280 but that area can encompass, you know, six to nine lap swimmers at any given time. 159 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:28,080 If you ran swim lessons at both ends, you could fit 24 to 30 kids just in that three-lane lap area 160 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:32,800 in the morning and evening time every 40 to 45 minutes. 161 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:39,820 If you're having a water fitness class, you know, you could have close to 30 people in that area, 162 00:13:39,820 --> 00:13:42,680 and so it can really accommodate a lot of different functions, 163 00:13:42,680 --> 00:13:47,520 A lot of the indoor recreational pools that we end up designing do have that minimum of 164 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:52,340 three lap lanes just because it is such a versatile space and body of water. 165 00:13:53,300 --> 00:13:59,560 And then on the zero depth entry side, that's a great way to incorporate some ground sprays 166 00:13:59,560 --> 00:14:01,980 to have the younger kids in swimming lessons. 167 00:14:02,500 --> 00:14:09,200 So right here at the base of the zero depth entry, right here where we're getting 168 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:10,500 down to that three foot. 169 00:14:10,500 --> 00:14:15,320 So we have you know some two and a half feet along this wall that we could run swimming lessons this way 170 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:19,160 We'd have a three-foot area right here that we could run swimming lessons that way 171 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:24,100 And so it is a great area functionally speaking where you could still have you know 172 00:14:24,100 --> 00:14:29,740 Swimming lessons going on in that shallow area, but then have lap swimming or water fitness going on in the lap 173 00:14:29,740 --> 00:14:33,840 Lane so we wanted to try to make sure that we had the proper spaces indoors to accommodate 174 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:36,820 You know different types of aquatic programs all throughout the year 175 00:14:47,300 --> 00:14:47,740 Namna 176 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:52,760 move to the exterior of the building, some images that we want to share. 177 00:14:54,340 --> 00:14:59,840 Right now, as far as the overall process, we just finished what we call schematic design. 178 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:04,080 Which is the first design phase of the project. We finished that about three weeks ago. 179 00:15:07,270 --> 00:15:13,810 Technology nowadays lets you make photo realistic images of something that is at the very beginning of the design process. 180 00:15:14,110 --> 00:15:21,530 But I wanted to share images that we find attractive for this whole facility. 181 00:15:22,150 --> 00:15:24,250 Go back to the front. This is having 182 00:15:28,540 --> 00:15:29,800 trouble controlling my, 183 00:15:35,340 --> 00:15:36,520 going to use the old way. 184 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:37,480 There 185 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:05,760 we go. So this is the front of the facility that behind the two story glass 186 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:10,480 wall that you see there that's the main lobby space for the building. This is 187 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:18,260 facing you know north approximately north and it faces that parking lot 188 00:16:18,260 --> 00:16:22,260 that's out in front of the building. Over here on the left side here these 189 00:16:22,260 --> 00:16:26,480 are these are where those concession windows would be and then these 190 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:31,540 This would be the stair up to that outdoor terrace on the second level. 191 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:42,360 This is the side of the building, the side opposite the building of the pool area. 192 00:16:43,300 --> 00:16:47,380 Material-wise, we're trying to work with a couple of different materials. 193 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:57,680 The gray panels, that's a smooth metal panel, the darker gray, that's a corrugated metal 194 00:16:57,680 --> 00:16:58,080 panel. 195 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:04,360 and then that masonry in the middle is kind of an Indiana limestone color of masonry. 196 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:11,740 As part of this, like I said, we're just leaving schematic design, one of the efforts we've 197 00:17:11,740 --> 00:17:19,540 been going through with the committee is reducing the amount of glass to a level that is acceptable. 198 00:17:24,710 --> 00:17:27,570 This is a view of the pool side of the building. 199 00:17:27,570 --> 00:17:30,410 we're standing on the concessions deck. 200 00:17:32,570 --> 00:17:38,230 One of the things you might notice in here is the concessions deck is fenced off from 201 00:17:38,230 --> 00:17:40,890 the pool itself. 202 00:17:41,510 --> 00:17:47,290 The intention behind that is, again, because the building is part of the bigger park, theoretically 203 00:17:47,290 --> 00:17:53,890 you'd be able to use the concession deck even when the outdoor pool is closed. 204 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,420 bird's eye view of the entire facility. 205 00:18:03,660 --> 00:18:04,980 Any comments on that George? 206 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:08,800 One of the 207 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:13,840 things I think this is a good slide to use to talk a little bit about some of 208 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:19,280 the organization that one of the reasons why the the plan is organized the way 209 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:24,480 it is is because we wanted to reserve space kind of toward the bottom of the 210 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:30,100 plan that would be a potential future location for deeper water you obviously 211 00:18:30,100 --> 00:18:34,280 don't need to make that decision now but you know if the outdoor pool wanted in 212 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:38,940 addition it would happen kind of in that area and then you can see behind 213 00:18:38,940 --> 00:18:45,540 the building the trees over there that's part of the park but the master 214 00:18:45,540 --> 00:18:49,540 plan did anticipate at some point possibly doing an addition onto this 215 00:18:49,540 --> 00:18:53,160 building so that would be the side we would add on. 216 00:18:58,150 --> 00:19:01,090 So another view of the indoor or the outdoor 217 00:19:01,090 --> 00:19:11,770 pool area, this area, kind of this area right here in particular, that's the lifeguards and pool 218 00:19:11,770 --> 00:19:20,170 managers portion of the building. The intention behind that is both the manager and the lifeguards, 219 00:19:20,170 --> 00:19:23,050 is they need good visibility of the entire outdoor pool area. 220 00:19:23,250 --> 00:19:25,970 So that's why they're kind of on this corner. 221 00:19:26,150 --> 00:19:27,810 So they get that visibility. 222 00:19:28,690 --> 00:19:30,170 Something else you might notice 223 00:19:30,910 --> 00:19:36,610 is the outdoor pool is a few feet lower 224 00:19:36,610 --> 00:19:40,990 than the indoor pool as far as where the floor level 225 00:19:40,990 --> 00:19:41,650 would be at. 226 00:19:43,030 --> 00:19:45,430 That was done intentionally because of the site. 227 00:19:45,430 --> 00:19:52,670 it's if you've been out there the site kind of crowns right underneath the 228 00:19:52,670 --> 00:19:56,510 existing site crowns kind of right underneath where our building is so 229 00:19:56,510 --> 00:20:03,690 we're trying to minimum or reduce costs from a grading side of things to fit 230 00:20:03,690 --> 00:20:04,970 within our budget. 231 00:20:08,900 --> 00:20:14,300 Another view of the pool that you can see some of the play 232 00:20:14,300 --> 00:20:21,880 features that we're starting to show at the zero entry edge of the activity pool, those 233 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:25,220 features haven't really been selected at this point. We're still kind of working through 234 00:20:25,220 --> 00:20:30,840 that. That's the next step of the process. But we wanted to show you some examples 235 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:34,180 of the types of features that would be in that water. 236 00:20:40,120 --> 00:20:42,180 Next, I'll just touch briefly 237 00:20:42,180 --> 00:20:48,560 Especially on the budget for the project, during the RFP the budget was set at $18 million. 238 00:20:49,460 --> 00:20:56,460 We've been tracking it kind of through the overall design process and as we've made adjustments 239 00:20:56,460 --> 00:21:02,120 to the plans during that process, the numbers are starting to are tracking just slightly 240 00:21:02,120 --> 00:21:09,920 lower according to this early budgeting of $48,000 less than we were at the beginning 241 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:10,460 of the process. 242 00:21:16,130 --> 00:21:21,370 Thank you Ted. Megan, do you have a list of everyone who's great? Thank you. 243 00:21:22,950 --> 00:21:29,350 All right, so we're going to begin the Q&A session by calling out the names of the participants who signed up in order of their registration. 244 00:21:30,210 --> 00:21:38,010 As a reminder, each speaker has a maximum of three minutes to share their thoughts and ideas on a new topic of discussion related to the project's design. 245 00:21:38,970 --> 00:21:41,730 Your valuable feedback is essentially making this project a success. 246 00:21:42,330 --> 00:21:46,690 After the Q&A, we'll answer all the questions and then move into breakout session to gather more feedback. 247 00:21:47,970 --> 00:21:54,870 Megan, I believe you're going to be capturing all the questions and then George and Ted will be answering those. 248 00:21:55,210 --> 00:21:56,630 All right, great. 249 00:21:58,530 --> 00:22:00,890 We have three names tonight. 250 00:22:02,250 --> 00:22:05,470 The first one will be Clayton McCrindle. 251 00:22:05,470 --> 00:22:06,130 Good 252 00:22:14,190 --> 00:22:17,270 evening, everyone. Thanks for the time. First, counselors, I want to say thank you 253 00:22:17,270 --> 00:22:21,150 for setting up the two additional informational sessions. That was a request we had at the 254 00:22:21,150 --> 00:22:24,670 council meeting, and I appreciate that you heard us and listened to that request. 255 00:22:26,930 --> 00:22:31,230 I'll start out by saying not sure why we're only talking about the design. It sounds 256 00:22:31,230 --> 00:22:36,450 like this is a done deal. That's a tough one for a taxpayer to just take on the 257 00:22:36,450 --> 00:22:40,910 chin. The location, I'm really concerned about that in relation to the water table, 258 00:22:40,910 --> 00:22:44,610 how close it is to the creek, how close it is to the sewage plant. So I want to understand 259 00:22:44,610 --> 00:22:52,810 that part of it. As far as the budget goes, we have 18 million in our budget for 2024. 260 00:22:53,890 --> 00:23:01,250 The first slide shown showed 23 million, and then there was a 17 point something million 261 00:23:01,250 --> 00:23:05,910 at the end. So pretty confused about those numbers and where this is going to end up, 262 00:23:05,910 --> 00:23:09,390 especially when Plainfield's Aquatic Center costs $25 million. 263 00:23:09,710 --> 00:23:13,590 So, really interested to hear how we're going to keep those costs in check, 264 00:23:14,430 --> 00:23:17,790 especially when we're all taking a 5% tax increase on the chin, too. 265 00:23:20,270 --> 00:23:23,570 Next one, we struggled to keep the splash pad open all summer. 266 00:23:24,090 --> 00:23:25,870 How are we going to keep a pool open all year? 267 00:23:28,010 --> 00:23:30,510 And then we got recurring costs from this. 268 00:23:31,550 --> 00:23:33,610 There's currently a shortage of lifeguards. 269 00:23:33,810 --> 00:23:36,070 I don't know how many of this requires, but we can't even keep the 270 00:23:36,070 --> 00:23:39,730 Brownsburg editorial room open for the public because we can't staff it with 271 00:23:39,730 --> 00:23:44,430 lifeguards so I'm interested to know how we're going to get those lifeguards and 272 00:23:47,170 --> 00:23:50,490 then the last question I have is just what does this do to our town's liability 273 00:23:50,490 --> 00:23:55,150 insurance I don't know where that where that comes from someone's going to get 274 00:23:55,150 --> 00:23:58,570 hurt here someone's going to sue the town how are we planning to cover that 275 00:23:59,950 --> 00:24:01,750 that's my time thank you 276 00:24:04,850 --> 00:24:06,290 Ron Matthews 277 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,720 so when we do a cost analysis of 278 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:25,020 everything, what it's going to cost the town. Are we looking at the return on 279 00:24:25,020 --> 00:24:32,620 investment as well? So let's say you, it costs us $300,000 to run this every year. 280 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:39,120 Are we looking at just the membership fees we're getting back? Because I 281 00:24:39,120 --> 00:24:44,540 actually talked to several local places, I called up and talked to Carmel, 282 00:24:44,540 --> 00:24:52,000 And they had told me that all their businesses substantially amount of 283 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:57,480 increase during the time that they have people coming into their community. 284 00:24:58,140 --> 00:25:03,080 There's a lot of intangible items that this will bring to our community. 285 00:25:03,820 --> 00:25:14,500 I talked to a couple places in Splash Island, I mean not Splash Island, 286 00:25:14,500 --> 00:25:20,200 in Lebanon and other surrounding places that have Aquatic Center the whole town 287 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:28,240 benefits. When I talked to Mayor Myers I believe is what his name was he told me 288 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:35,220 that he believes that when they added Freedom Springs it was a really big 289 00:25:35,220 --> 00:25:40,260 boost to Greenwood it helped there it pushed their Center Grove didn't need 290 00:25:40,260 --> 00:25:45,700 but it pushed property values as well. Everybody knows just like you said you 291 00:25:45,700 --> 00:25:50,740 push property values up. Town council gets a little bit more money coming back 292 00:25:50,740 --> 00:25:55,160 into town on our taxes so the higher the property values are the better return 293 00:25:55,160 --> 00:26:04,980 you're going to get. So I I would encourage everyone to look into not 294 00:26:04,980 --> 00:26:09,920 only what it costs to run but also reach out to every community because 295 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,880 Is everybody saying what's this going to cost, what's this going to cost? 296 00:26:15,380 --> 00:26:20,140 When Freedom Springs did their analysis back in 2015, they were told they were going to 297 00:26:20,140 --> 00:26:22,200 lose $200,000 a year. 298 00:26:23,060 --> 00:26:24,900 They made $300,000. 299 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:26,800 So even the experts don't know. 300 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,460 They were off by half a million dollars. 301 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:32,460 That's a pretty big swing. 302 00:26:33,820 --> 00:26:35,900 In black and white you can check with Indie Star. 303 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:37,640 They did a page on it. 304 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,720 That's where I got my information on it. 305 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:44,920 And then Chris, I wanted to tell you that I'm in your ward 306 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,760 and I talk to all our neighbors and they want this. 307 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,940 We don't have the luxury of having an HOA with a pool. 308 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:57,820 I know some of the council members might 309 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,960 or incoming may have, you know, into HOAs 310 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,560 and things like that, but you do have to take 311 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:11,860 effective all of Brownsburg even some that that don't want it but and I can't I 312 00:27:11,860 --> 00:27:17,500 haven't seen any reliable statistic from the parts department over two or three 313 00:27:17,500 --> 00:27:23,400 years that came back negative thank you and our last speaker tonight the one 314 00:27:34,950 --> 00:27:40,290 good evening council members members of the audience members watching on the 315 00:27:40,290 --> 00:27:41,590 web this 316 00:27:43,770 --> 00:27:48,270 really boils down to a pretty simple question will the community 317 00:27:48,270 --> 00:27:52,550 commit $18 million to fund this quality of life amenity available for all 318 00:27:52,550 --> 00:27:54,830 residents use? Yes or no? 319 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,940 All issues beyond that are subordinate to that 320 00:27:59,940 --> 00:28:07,800 question. You will either do this or you will not. Now that oversimplifies things 321 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:11,320 but you know there's a common sense logic and reason would say if there's a 322 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:20,100 will, there's a way. This can be done. Now, I have a public face and I have a private 323 00:28:20,100 --> 00:28:25,540 face. My private face, I have been working to collaborate with the detractors and the 324 00:28:25,540 --> 00:28:26,680 supporters of this project. 325 00:28:28,740 --> 00:28:31,120 So we've heard that, you know, this is going to be a tax 326 00:28:31,120 --> 00:28:36,240 increase and we're going to have a 5% levy. This is a 5% levy increase, not a tax increase 327 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:40,220 by the way. But the money is already in the budget now because they're paying 328 00:28:40,220 --> 00:28:44,500 for Town Hall. When that bond rolls off, we have the monies readily available. It certainly 329 00:28:44,500 --> 00:28:48,760 could be directed to some other use, but we could make a decision to direct them to this 330 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:49,080 purpose. 331 00:28:51,540 --> 00:28:56,900 So what does that cost an average taxpayer? $51 a year. What does that cost 332 00:28:56,900 --> 00:29:02,560 over the life of the bond? $1,100 a year. That's really what we're asking the community 333 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:07,880 is, do you want to spend this money for this amenity? Now if the answer is no, 334 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:16,460 I have to question when, because some of you have been in the room long enough to know that we've made three attempts at this. 335 00:29:17,540 --> 00:29:23,020 We were told in the past, oh, just wait for 3% growth. We'll get that money and we'll be able to do that then. 336 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,240 Now, certainly that's on the way, but Town Center was one of those big things. 337 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:32,900 As that money comes in, are we going to revisit this again, or is the answer always going to be no? 338 00:29:33,740 --> 00:29:39,580 And if the answers already know, well then, okay, that's fine, but that kind of goes to the first postulate. 339 00:29:40,100 --> 00:29:41,520 We will either do this or not. 340 00:29:42,060 --> 00:29:45,660 But it's in the context of what? Population will continue to increase. 341 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,360 Assessed value will continue to increase. 342 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:57,060 As a result, this investment of $18 million will grow smaller of a population of our current worth over time. 343 00:29:57,060 --> 00:29:59,820 As will that expense for the budget 344 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:05,460 Total budget. That expense will also decrease as a portion of our operating expense over time. 345 00:30:06,300 --> 00:30:14,180 So we can't look at this just from today's window. We can also look at this one, three, five, seven, ten, and so far out. 346 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,780 But do we do this amenity now? 347 00:30:18,860 --> 00:30:21,780 And that's the question before you as public servants and decision makers. 348 00:30:22,180 --> 00:30:26,700 And that's the question before our public that's in the room and those are asking on the web. 349 00:30:26,700 --> 00:30:28,340 I don't have an answer for that. 350 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:33,440 I mean, I have a personal answer, but I'm just trying to advocate for the media and to say, 351 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,180 are we working through this and get to the right solution? 352 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:37,420 Thank you for your time. 353 00:30:40,260 --> 00:30:43,160 All right. Thank you for our speakers tonight. 354 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:46,400 Megan, did you get all the response? 355 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,680 I know some were more statements than there were questions, but there were a few questions in there. 356 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:53,080 Some were probably for William. 357 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:54,180 Some were maybe for us. 358 00:30:54,180 --> 00:30:57,200 We probably don't have all those questions to be answered today. 359 00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:58,700 We'll get through what we can. 360 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,140 Sean or Debbie, you might have some answers to those questions. 361 00:31:05,260 --> 00:31:07,600 George and Teneffy want to go back to the podium. 362 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,020 I guess we can take these one by one. 363 00:31:16,420 --> 00:31:22,240 The first question is, how close is it to the sewage plant and the water table? 364 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:29,420 Sean, that might be more of a question for you. 365 00:31:29,420 --> 00:31:36,000 It's it's not in the back yard. It's I can't tell you the exact fee we can get that out in the FAQ, but it is near 366 00:31:36,820 --> 00:31:37,260 adjacent 367 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:43,800 There's homes way closer to the pool or to the sanitary plant than this and with that note 368 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,620 We've also had people from all over the country come to our plant 369 00:31:47,180 --> 00:31:50,040 To investigate why and how we operate 370 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:52,980 Because we have minimal odors that do 371 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:54,860 Come out of our plant 372 00:31:54,860 --> 00:32:00,540 So we can get the exact distance in the FAQ, the water table, I could probably take that one. 373 00:32:01,060 --> 00:32:03,740 It is near the flood plain and is not in the flood plain. 374 00:32:05,660 --> 00:32:10,000 Our consultant can probably help with the exact depth, but it should be well above the water table. 375 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:13,780 We should be getting soil borings shortly. 376 00:32:14,380 --> 00:32:14,600 Yes. 377 00:32:22,490 --> 00:32:29,050 The next, I'm sorry, the next question is there seems to be a confusion between a slide 378 00:32:29,050 --> 00:32:32,210 that said 25 million and one that said 18. 379 00:32:32,590 --> 00:32:34,290 Can you expand upon the difference? 380 00:32:34,450 --> 00:32:37,630 23 million and the last one was 17.9. 381 00:32:38,050 --> 00:32:40,770 I don't remember the 23 million on the slide. 382 00:32:42,190 --> 00:32:43,410 That was square footage. 383 00:32:43,610 --> 00:32:44,430 Was that square footage? 384 00:32:45,150 --> 00:32:48,850 Well, there's 20, yeah, it was 24,000 square feet of building. 385 00:32:48,850 --> 00:32:51,430 Can you pull that up just to make sure we can so 386 00:33:07,940 --> 00:33:09,440 here's the 387 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:23,480 There's the budget right 17.99 from the RFP we our target was 18 million dollars 388 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:29,570 So that's where that's where this number came from. Can you go to the very first line? Yeah, I 389 00:33:30,740 --> 00:33:31,060 think 390 00:33:44,030 --> 00:33:45,450 Maybe it was this slide. 391 00:33:45,970 --> 00:33:48,290 I think that 23770 is probably what he was talking about. 392 00:33:48,370 --> 00:33:49,090 That was square footage. 393 00:33:49,290 --> 00:33:50,790 Yeah, this is square footage of the building. 394 00:33:55,650 --> 00:33:55,970 Next. 395 00:33:56,790 --> 00:34:00,790 The next question is, we struggled to keep the splash pad open all summer. 396 00:34:01,390 --> 00:34:02,830 How will the pool remain open? 397 00:34:03,390 --> 00:34:04,250 Yeah, that's a good question. 398 00:34:05,070 --> 00:34:08,950 And we've had discussions with that ourselves as a council. 399 00:34:09,750 --> 00:34:14,290 And there are some major issues when the splash pad was built that we have concerns over. 400 00:34:14,850 --> 00:34:20,290 And we're trying to figure out not only was it splash pad being built, but we're trying 401 00:34:20,290 --> 00:34:26,090 to determine too if there was any errors in the winterization of that property, and that 402 00:34:26,090 --> 00:34:31,150 could have been done by whether our staff or by the people that we employ to do that 403 00:34:31,150 --> 00:34:31,610 for us. 404 00:34:31,690 --> 00:34:33,130 We're trying to figure that out. 405 00:34:33,350 --> 00:34:39,110 And if it wasn't our staff, then hopefully we can have some restitution for that 406 00:34:39,110 --> 00:34:39,550 project. 407 00:34:39,550 --> 00:34:42,810 But I don't know, Amber or Sean, if one of you 408 00:34:42,810 --> 00:34:45,410 want to get some further clarification to the splash pad. 409 00:34:46,630 --> 00:34:50,650 I think also it'll be important that some of the documents 410 00:34:50,650 --> 00:34:52,410 that we would get from this project 411 00:34:52,410 --> 00:34:58,170 would include close-out lists on an asset replacement plan 412 00:34:58,170 --> 00:35:01,730 so that we can get ahead of pumps and things that 413 00:35:01,730 --> 00:35:04,370 need to be replaced and get them in the budget year 414 00:35:04,370 --> 00:35:06,450 on year and replace them ahead of the time. 415 00:35:06,830 --> 00:35:08,450 So not waiting for something to break, 416 00:35:08,450 --> 00:35:14,930 but actually budgeting appropriately. And when we hopefully redo the splash pad, that 417 00:35:14,930 --> 00:35:19,050 is something that I know I've talked to with Sean about implementing for the splash pad 418 00:35:19,050 --> 00:35:23,310 so we can get our maintenance a little bit ahead of the game instead of waiting for things 419 00:35:23,310 --> 00:35:23,630 to break. 420 00:35:23,970 --> 00:35:27,430 And that's one of the things when we put in these future public input sessions is 421 00:35:27,430 --> 00:35:31,010 when we have the, what the performer looks like in the ROI on it, we just don't have 422 00:35:31,010 --> 00:35:36,030 it yet. I know the team here at TED and George are working on it. And that's 423 00:35:36,030 --> 00:35:39,990 One thing that's good to point out is make sure we have maintenance included in that. 424 00:35:40,170 --> 00:35:41,870 I'm sure you probably do. 425 00:35:42,410 --> 00:35:42,430 Okay. 426 00:35:43,390 --> 00:35:47,870 I'd like to add that you can correct me if I'm wrong, Amber, but the splash pad is nearing 427 00:35:47,870 --> 00:35:52,210 or beyond some of its expected life, some of those items. 428 00:35:52,510 --> 00:35:58,090 So we did budget quite a bit of money to reconstruct in 24. 429 00:35:59,010 --> 00:35:59,430 Thank you. 430 00:36:00,230 --> 00:36:00,570 All right. 431 00:36:00,810 --> 00:36:01,190 Next question. 432 00:36:04,830 --> 00:36:08,490 The next question was regarding the shortage of lifeguards. 433 00:36:08,710 --> 00:36:10,310 How will we get lifeguards? 434 00:36:11,710 --> 00:36:14,870 I will read that to someone who's more an expert than I am. 435 00:36:16,070 --> 00:36:18,550 So I know that Council has talked about this, 436 00:36:18,610 --> 00:36:20,330 and we've talked about this internally with HR, 437 00:36:20,590 --> 00:36:25,290 that we are looking to possible third-party consultants 438 00:36:25,290 --> 00:36:27,690 to help with hiring lifeguards. 439 00:36:28,410 --> 00:36:34,770 And then, of course, as always, we have, you know, teens, people out of school. 440 00:36:35,330 --> 00:36:38,290 I think there's a lot of folks looking for jobs. 441 00:36:38,490 --> 00:36:43,450 So we would just come up with a plan, a recruitment plan, 442 00:36:43,990 --> 00:36:47,530 whether that be a third party or us hiring or a mix. 443 00:36:47,770 --> 00:36:48,970 It could possibly be a mix. 444 00:36:49,250 --> 00:36:52,610 But again, that's something that in our business plan we will be assessing out. 445 00:36:58,070 --> 00:37:00,470 The liability insurance for the town of Brownsburg. 446 00:37:00,470 --> 00:37:02,610 how do we plan to cover any increases? 447 00:37:04,010 --> 00:37:05,570 Yeah, but we talked to Rick about that. 448 00:37:07,210 --> 00:37:14,570 Yeah, this has been discussed and it would be added just as any program is added as it comes online. 449 00:37:16,110 --> 00:37:23,770 And as other programs might change or roll off that those are included, you know, as are all our assets. 450 00:37:23,770 --> 00:37:31,490 So, yeah, we have to figure out the scope and the size and everything before we get an accurate amount. 451 00:37:35,720 --> 00:37:38,420 Host of analysis, are we looking at the ROI? 452 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:39,400 Yes. 453 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:45,620 We don't have it yet, but that is one of the very first things that we've spoken about, 454 00:37:45,740 --> 00:37:48,380 is make sure we have a good return on investment for this project. 455 00:37:50,890 --> 00:37:54,010 Including we're looking at membership fees, just to answer that. 456 00:37:54,230 --> 00:37:56,330 That was in the next question, are we looking at membership fees? 457 00:37:57,010 --> 00:37:57,810 Yes, we are. 458 00:38:03,240 --> 00:38:05,940 As well as in-town and out-of-town resident rates. 459 00:38:13,350 --> 00:38:18,830 What is the cost to the average taxpayer for a facility like this? 460 00:38:20,170 --> 00:38:24,550 I'll tell my head I don't know until we dive into that and see the final numbers. 461 00:38:25,450 --> 00:38:27,390 We do the ROI and everything like that too. 462 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,740 The other ones were questions, but I think they were more statements like, 463 00:38:32,740 --> 00:38:37,640 Is the community going to commit to this and are they going to commit now? 464 00:38:38,900 --> 00:38:43,580 Well, I mean, I wouldn't say this is a done deal by any stretch of imagination. 465 00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:45,600 That's why we're doing these public input sessions. 466 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:47,700 See if the public wants it. 467 00:38:48,820 --> 00:38:52,880 I think one of the biggest questions that I get asked and I think other counselors get asked is, 468 00:38:53,700 --> 00:38:56,020 what are we going to bring forward for the community? 469 00:38:56,200 --> 00:39:00,740 Whether it be a pool or some kind of amenities and activities for the community outside of what we've provided. 470 00:39:00,740 --> 00:39:06,460 Provided and I think us as a council said have said numerous times like we can't afford it right now 471 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:13,500 And that's the reason we're doing all the the bidding of the commercial growth that we've had in our community the last three or four years 472 00:39:14,140 --> 00:39:15,300 right a point now where 473 00:39:16,220 --> 00:39:18,520 someone brought up that the bonding on this 474 00:39:19,420 --> 00:39:24,520 Building is going to be falling off, which is very true as well as the three percent growth that we've seen 475 00:39:25,420 --> 00:39:27,340 Brownsburg's in a better spot financially than 476 00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:29,040 than we've ever been 477 00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:33,600 This is at least my eight or nine years involved here. 478 00:39:35,140 --> 00:39:36,140 That's the end of your questions. 479 00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:37,360 All right. Thank you. 480 00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,880 So now what we're going to do is we're going to have a breakout session. 481 00:39:41,180 --> 00:39:43,540 So let's try to split this up as evenly as possible. 482 00:39:43,720 --> 00:39:45,260 Have the room go over here, have the room over here. 483 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,500 And I really think we're about even if you take a look at the room. 484 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,500 So just have the side of this side, this half over here. 485 00:39:53,980 --> 00:39:56,180 At the beginning of the meeting, we're giving a comment card. 486 00:39:56,180 --> 00:39:59,140 If you leave tonight, can you please felt that comment card handed one of the staff 487 00:39:59,140 --> 00:40:00,220 as you leave? 488 00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:05,140 Your feedback will be collected and provided in an online document. 489 00:40:05,380 --> 00:40:09,200 So we are taking that seriously, all the comments and requests that we get and questions 490 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:09,760 that we get. 491 00:40:09,900 --> 00:40:12,000 So we'll try to answer all those as best of our ability. 492 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:17,200 And that's what we're going to do also at these stations is to kind of have a 493 00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:18,220 question and answer session. 494 00:40:21,580 --> 00:40:22,820 Yeah, let's go ahead and do that. 495 00:40:24,500 --> 00:40:28,400 We'll have council members at each one, as well as staff at each side as well. 496 00:40:29,260 --> 00:40:31,300 Do you guys want to head on that side? I'll grab this over here.