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Councillor Thompson, second, aye, aye,

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aye, aye, aye, aye, aye, aye, aye, aye, aye, aye, aye, aye.

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I'm going to call

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to order.

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The Board of Commission is regular meeting for September 8, 2026.

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I thank everybody for being here.

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Appreciate that you take time out of your day to be part of the process.

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So we will move on into our invocation and pledge.

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Commissioner Williams has agreed to do the invocation and pledge.

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Will you all please rise, gentlemen, please remove your caps.

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Father, we thank you for this opportunity to come together and to do the people's business here in Brunswick County.

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And we just asked that you would guide us in our business and

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and keep everyone here safe as they travel home today.

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And I also want to especially lift up an anniversary

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that's coming up this Friday,

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and that's the 25th anniversary of September 11th, 2001.

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And we just pray that you would protect our nation

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from similar such attacks as we move forward.

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We're certain that there are those out there

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who would like to repeat what they did.

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We pray for the first responders who protect us every day

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and the families of those first responders

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and others who were killed on that day

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and who still deal with the grief from that event.

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and are going to be hit with that grief as it's all over the news for the next week.

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And Lord, in the wake of that, our country was remarkably unified.

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And I pray that you would help us to find that sense of unity again somehow moving forward.

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We ask these things in your name, amen.

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Amen.

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Thank

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you, Commissioner Williams, and thank you for bringing up 9.11. My younger brother

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is a 9.11 survivor. He was in the building. So I do appreciate that. All right. Any adjustments

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to the agenda, as I do have to, well, I'll bring those forward real quick.

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Under presentation, number two, the resolution for operation green light, we're going to

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move that into consent, speed up the process a little bit, and then under, under the administrative

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Creative Report, item number seven, the Southport Christian SRO budget amendment, an additional position.

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We're also moving that into consent.

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So mark those on your agenda.

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Any other adjustments?

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Yes.

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What do you got?

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Administrative Report.

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The NCHCP grant.

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Uh-huh.

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And I would also like to add another item of slot canvas.

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that's what will under-admin now.

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Okay, so number 13.

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Okay.

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Anything else?

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Okay.

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So we have moving number 13 to admin and putting clock cameras under admin.

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All those, well, any discussion?

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All those in favor?

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Please say aye.

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Aye.

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Any opposed?

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Okay, done it.

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Then I will move for an approval of the agenda.

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Somebody please make a motion.

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Make a motion for a previous change.

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Second.

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Thompson Sykes.

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Any discussion?

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All those in favor, please say aye.

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Aye.

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Any opposed?

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Okay.

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Moving on to public comment.

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First up, I have Shirley Sullivan.

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Shirley Sullivan, 5-0-0-2, Seward Court, Southport, Chair Forte, commissioners.

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I don't agree with the public comment change to be discussed today.

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There are no time limits put on developers, attorneys, and engineers.

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It is up to the commissioners and their representatives at the sign-up sheet to monitor the group rule.

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Minimizing public comments is further denying valid argument.

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I have been denied to sign up others that are running late.

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I have been told it was forgery to sign their name.

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That's a fact.

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That's not the rulebook yet.

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I think you should allow all written comments that are submitted to be read.

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The first commissioner meeting to hear rezoning was held on August 17th.

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At that meeting on August 17th, one commissioner went on and on how the planning board worked

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hard to vet a rezoning that was approved and how the planning department worked hard

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to support it.

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Had that commissioner watched the same planning board meeting that I had?

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I got no impression that the planning board members had even read the packet.

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There was definitely no discussion before the vote to approve it.

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The planning department only provided information to support their opinion.

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Certain facts were omitted that would have shown what could have been built, had the area

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and not been rezoned.

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Limiting public comment does not help.

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I opposed the rezoning on 2.11 that night.

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Ironically, I was almost hit head on as I traveled home

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at 10 p.m. by a driver that did not see the stop sign

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or the road crew holding the stop sign

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at the other end of 2.11 near Southport.

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2.11 had been narrowed to one lane

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to hold both directions while road work continued.

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I narrowly saw the stop sign and then the road crew on my end.

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After a couple of minutes the road crew waved me on.

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In the dark of night I saw headlights coming in my direction.

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I flashed my hybine often until I hoped I got the driver's attention.

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We slowly passed each other going about five miles an hour.

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I cautiously drove the rest of the way as I approached another set of headlights.

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I was relieved to see this vehicle was behind the road crew holding the stop sign.

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I wasn't worried about myself. I was worried about the road crew.

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They deal with this all night long.

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The road crew on either end should never wave a vehicle through if there is not a stopped vehicle at the other end.

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NCDOT has not replied to my concern.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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My

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name is Sarah Singer, 2149, Creekwood Court, South-Last.

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I'll be brief in my statements.

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I do want to say that I'm currently compiling comments from my friends and fellow residents

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regarding the toxic water and their thoughts on the new RO plant, which I will share next

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commissioners meeting I attend.

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For now, I would like to address concerns regarding burns with counties used of flock cameras.

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Not only do flock cameras help create a surveillance state, they also present ethical challenges

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and possible dangers when it comes to their use and applications as we have seen through

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recent conduct within our own police department.

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I have counted approximately 21 flock cameras throughout Brunswick and according to D-Flock

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ILM, over 83,000 searches have been done on flock in Brunswick and 90% have zero case

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numbers.

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While this doesn't implicitly mean long-doing, it's your serious concerns among every resident of Brunswick. It is important to note that the flock cameras in our county were manufactured by flock systems. Well, which Peter Thiel is an investor. Thiel maintained business and professional relationships with Jeffrey Epstein long after Epstein was found to be a pedophile. I believe Brunswick has a duty to use tax dollars ethically and conscientiously. I personally know I do not want one single tax dollar to fund the pockets of someone.

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like deal. For these reasons, I have launched a petition to present to share

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Chisholm and the numbers of masks requesting that Brunswick County follow a new

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hand over county's footsteps and in all contracts with flat cams not to be

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replaced by any other brands or types. Right now it's at 30 signatures. Let's make

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that 30,000 and collectively say no to flat cameras. Thank you. Thank you.

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So

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consent agenda. I know. I know. Second.

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Thompson Sipes.

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Any discussion?

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All those in favour? Please say aye.

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Okay.

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Moving on. Presentations.

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Emergency Management. David McIntyre. Come on up.

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Good afternoon, commissioners and fellow leadership.

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I want to thank all of you for letting us, letting me and a team come before you today

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and receive a recognition from National Weather Service that my team and myself take very

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dear to our operation overall.

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The ability to become and to be rewarded the title of a storm ready and tsunami ready

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community is very important to us here in Brunswick County.

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So my team is here with me today as well as Brandon Locklear from National Weather Service

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Office there in Wilmington that will actually be coming up momentarily to do the presentation

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of this award.

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But I just want to once again thank you for this opportunity, I want you to ensure you and

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our community that Brunswick County and the safety of our community is number one when

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When it comes to our team's planning and actions that are, you know, completed throughout

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the year, not just during catastrophic events, but day-to-day to ensure even near and

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blue skies that we're prepared.

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So I'll introduce Brandon Locklear with National Weather Service.

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Thank you, David.

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It's a pleasure to be here today to recognize Brunswick County, and it's continued designation

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of a storm ready community.

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you know communities that are prepared in advance of dangerous storms and

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dangerous weather we typically see less fatalities and we have less

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property damage and storm ready you know this is not a one-time achievement it's

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an ongoing partnership it's an ongoing commitment and in many ways Brunswick County

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sets that standard and what I'm holding here today is a certificate and it's showing

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their 8th recognition. So storm ready, it expires every three to four years, it started out at three

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years, and then it became four years. So you're talking about almost 25 years of dedication

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from the Brunswick County Emergency Management and from the county leadership. You know that's

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maintaining ready action plans, that's maintaining communication systems, and it's also keeping

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in a like a public awareness and all of that goes into making the residents safer.

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So I'd like to congratulate and I'd like to thank Brunswick County for their continued

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dedication of keeping this community safe.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, sir.

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I'd like to say thank you to our entire emergency management team, you guys do superlative

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work and you do keep us safe, so thank you for your dedication and hard work.

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I also like to recognize this entire board, we are the only county in the entire state of North Carolina that has all five of us have gone through the 100 counties prepared for storm management and all of that.

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So thank you to each of you.

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Thank you.

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You want to come down on this side for the camera?

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Yeah, I'm waiting for instructions from the boss.

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I'm married a long time.

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You must stand there up here.

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Actually, you all could stand up there.

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What Megan says.

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I need you.

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It's all me and you.

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Oh, thank you.

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Come on, tighten up.

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Even back here, I can't see you over y'all.

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I know.

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I know.

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I know.

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I know.

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I know.

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I know.

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I know.

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I know.

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I know.

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I know.

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I know.

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get our best side.

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You got to follow.

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All right.

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One, two, three.

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Congratulations.

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Congratulations.

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Congratulations.

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Yes.

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Mr. Chairman, I just want to say that they drill all the time.

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And whenever we have something happen, it seems like it's just choreographed.

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It just goes off just like clockwork because they drill all the time and prepare for the

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unthinkable.

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And when the unthinkable happens, they pull the trigger and make it happen.

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So they're really good at what they do.

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if I can share one thing, I just want to make sure, you know, as you saw that, that was

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a decent sized group for a department to actually have to worry about this entire county.

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And the numbers that you saw this afternoon that hadn't been like that for the past few

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years. And so I commend our administration for really putting some attention into emergency

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management and emergency services to strengthen as we have all of our public safety entities

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within the county over the last couple of years because their numbers were getting low

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And they were carrying a big load and so I'm glad that our administration recognized that and I see the

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The outcome of making sure that we are a protected county, so I appreciate that from administration as well

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Any other comments

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Congratulations team

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All right. Administrative report. Mr. Manager, fire fee, agreed upon procedures.

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Here we're requesting that the board approve an agreed upon procedures

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agreement and task by our independent Auditors, Martin, Starns and Associates. And the essence

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of this is for a couple of special tests to be done by our independent auditors of the nonprofits,

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fire departments rather than solely by their own auditors. And those two procedures are

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that the Martin Starns and Associates would select a sample of at least 20% of the payroll

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disbursements and verify that they're according to the proper pay rates timesheets and payroll

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registers and verify that the amount clearing the bank equals those disbursements and

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the second is to select all cash disbursements greater than $250. Make sure each item has

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the proper supporting documentation to verify the amount and its account classification.

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these are items that should be on hand with the departments is generally accepted

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accounting procedures for nonprofits would require these things that we're asking

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before it into our auditors be in place anyhow so should be a minimal amount of

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additional work and could be transmitted from the departments auditors to our

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auditors by a spreadsheet and on probability electronically.

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The file fees after the increase

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the new billings went to almost $34 million this year, which was about 4.3 million more

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than the prior year. And we feel with this level of fire fee funding, a little bit of additional

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scrutiny is appropriate.

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it?

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Any discussion? I have a couple of questions. When this issue was brought forth and the

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departments across the county were preparing their budgets, were they informed that they

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were going to have to pay additional funds while they were in preparation of their budgets?

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No, sir. They don't pay the additional funds. We would. It's about 35,000. The county

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would pay not the departments. The departments are not having to pay any

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participating funds. I wouldn't think they would. I mean, I can't, I can't speak

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for their auditors as to whether they would charge a nominal fee to transfer the

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information, but the actual cost of this procedure falls on the county, not the

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departments. Okay.

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I think that's all I've got right at the moment.

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Mr. Chair, I can't support this because I've been on four different fire departments

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in the county since the 70s as well as would rescue squad and serve as

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exficial on four as well. Then being said I know a lot of personnel, I know how

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hard they try to work, but it's almost in talking to them specifically about this

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issue. They say it is an arduous thing for them to have to do this. Their books are

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open. They try to make it as open as possible and one even told me that it would

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almost take another person to hire to be able to get the paperwork the county would want.

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So from that standpoint, I can't support this.

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This was not something that they've been asking previous years.

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If they've been asked for this in previous years, they'd be understood, but this is a new

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thing for them, and it's almost like a surprise for them.

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So I can't support it this time.

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Anybody else?

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Yeah, I'll be glad to say I support it.

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I think accountability and transparency is important to the taxpayers that are paying

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the fire fees and all of us are taxpayers and I pay a great deal in fire fees so and

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payroll and the other stuff they're looking at you got to keep up with anyway so I don't

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have a problem with it at all and we're paying the bill so I guess kind of a follow up to

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Mr. Cook's comment, if we are hiring the auditor that does the work, what extra work would

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it put on the department, if any?

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Well, the, as I said, generally accepted accounting principles for nonprofits would

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already require them to have the necessary payroll information, and they certainly should

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have, again, according to accounting principles, already have these receipts available, and

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and they should already be making them available to their independent auditors so the only

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additional work should be for their auditor to transmit that information to Martin Storne's

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and company.

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I would like though, if their auditor charges a fee for them to fill this information together,

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I would like for the county to consider some type of reimbursement and bring that back before the group.

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I mean, it is, I mean, it's hard to pick up the paper nowadays and not see the state auditor.

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You know, I'm just glad he didn't come visit us.

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low-wing visits sometimes in counties, but I, you know, so there's, there is a need

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for scrutiny sometimes in review. Obviously, whenever I came to the county in 2000, the

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reporting and accounting was, it needed a lot of repair. And then whenever we changed and

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went to fire fees that year, and the amount of money started flowing through the departments.

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There's no denying it that we had issues then.

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And we fully addressed those issues, as a matter of fact, there were charges brought against

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individuals associated with the departments, but we're well beyond that.

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and we have learned over the years and we are financially very well organized and I

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think the county has taken a lead on that, making sure that happens. I see this is

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one more step, but I also see the fact that if there is going to be a charge, I

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would like phone the departments to provide this information, which you've already

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said it's already something it should have already been collected here in the process I would like

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To make sure that they're not held accountable for whatever that fee is, I have a, I have a CPA that I work with quite often right now. And the fee to me is astronomical. So I don't, you know, I don't know how that would calculate out to, to a department or a department. But, but the possibility of getting another bill in the mail is there. So,

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So if we could just look at that, if that does become an issue, I would appreciate it.

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We would be glad to forward any such information to the board.

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I just want to say, I agree with the Commission of Sex.

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I think complete transparency is necessary when we're talking funding of over $34 million

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a year.

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And, you know, we're in the process of trying to change it over to attacks and get rid of

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this fee altogether.

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In order to make that change, we need to know actual numbers.

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I don't want to be putting good money into bed if there are any issues.

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I pray there are, and I doubt there will be, probably minimal at best.

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But I think we need to know the hard numbers and have a CPA firm confirm that the numbers

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are true, and that's where we go moving forward as we transfer over two attacks.

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I don't disagree with Commission of Thompson.

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If there's a minimal fee from their accountant, I would think this is the easiest thing.

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Everything should be on somebody's computer, and it's just a matter of hitting send and getting it over to our accounting firm

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But I would also

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support

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Well, you know if they have nominal fees for this, I don't want to get gouged by this accounting from Zilla

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That we cover that seems reasonable to me

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So I'm actually okay with this.

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Anybody else?

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Well, I make a motion that will move forward with it.

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I'm second as long as the issue of the...

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Yes.

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...getting a reimbursement if that is there.

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Okay.

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Sykes Thompson.

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Any other discussion?

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All those in favor?

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Please say aye.

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Aye.

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All right.

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All those opposed?

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No.

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4-1.

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Cook.

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Chairman.

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Why we're still on that subject.

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There was, I think, did I send the email up to begin with about the staff meeting with

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two commissioners?

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I requested that staff meet with two commissioners to discuss the fire fee situation before

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we ever moved to another fire committee so that we can know what they have learned over

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the past year and somehow I think because the email has blind copies on it. We don't

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see everybody's reply. But what I would like to do is for staff to meet with two commissioners

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at a time to run through with what they have to consider for the future fire situation.

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It would be great if we could do that in the next two to four weeks.

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I concur. I don't believe that needs a motion. That's just a direction.

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Right? Okay, we could do that. All right. Thank you.

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Moving on, NCACC, 2027 state legislative goals.

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I have a couple I scratched out on a post it note a few minutes ago that I can share

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as ideas.

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One of them with your permission, Mr. Chair, is something that the RPO has included in

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its legislative goals, which is to request that the state provide NCDOT with funds to maintain

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It's drainage ditches that it's responsible for in the area subject to the coastal area management act

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Is an area that the state regulates at a higher level so asking them to provide funds for DOT to maintain it's drainage ditches in that same area and

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We can I can make a motion if anyone has any questions. I wait anyone having questions or thoughts on that or do you want to I'll I'm asking the whole board

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Do you want to put them all out and do one motion?

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The second one, these are all DOT-related.

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Second one is to request, and this is one that RPO and I think MPO have sent up in

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the past, that the state consider adding evacuation routes as a scoring factor in prioritization.

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That's always been resisted in the past, but with Haleen, maybe it'll get some attention

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in areas that aren't coastal.

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And the third one, and this one's kind of nuanced, but NC DOT has an air bridge replacement

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program where they can consider a bridge separately in prioritization if it's being replaced

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by the same bridge, but because it has to be being replaced by something of light kind,

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the cake-fear memorial bridge does not qualify.

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So to request that they modify the bridge replacement program, whatever technicality is there,

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so that maybe the Cape Fear Bridge would fall under it.

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And also submit that to please, when you write it up and get something that we can go with

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to send that to New Hanover and Pender counties for consideration.

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I only had one that I wanted to submit.

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That was it.

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I find it incredible that we are the fastest-growing county in the state.

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And all Quad, Southeast Carolina, Quad counties is the fastest growing region in the state.

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And yet DOT for the 10 years that I've been on the MPO and the RPO has just totally

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ignored that.

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And they tell us go find your own funding.

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They gave us a rip rolling.

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What was it?

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82 million?

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Something?

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On what is now a 1.2 billion dollar bridge?

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and oh by the way 10 years ago it was 350 million and we keep kicking this

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can down the road to the tune and now 1.2 billion. I find it incredible that the

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state does not recognize the need for this and so I am really in favor of this

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one. Anybody else? Well I'm sure we're all in favor of this one but I'd not

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I'm not sure that it will pass at our association.

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I'm not going to the association conference,

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but I know it has to apply to all the counties

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across the state.

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And if this one just applies to New Hanover County,

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it's not gonna, if you reword it and say

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that you want them to upgrade the replacement program

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that could have other counties might have issues too

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that could be addressed but I think that is a point well taken I think and I

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would say modify it maybe that they modify their bridge replacement program so

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that it doesn't have to be a replacement in kind which is what the way I saw

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the wording now and maybe we bring a separate resolution back just for our

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board and can get into the other nearby counties that addresses the specifics of

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this bridge.

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Well the only thing I keep I'm the only one on this board that's not on

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the RPO, MPO, or GSATs.

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I was on GSATs and on the RPO at one point,

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but the thing is, it's frustrating

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because what they'll do is they have you rank different roads.

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So you rank them and you do what they're told.

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Then you're told, well, you can't really do what you wanna do

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because the project's too big.

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So you need to go back and reset

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and come back with a smaller component.

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So you do that.

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And you go through all the ramifications of that.

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It takes a good bit of period and everything else.

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And then they finally come back to you and they say,

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we don't have the money. And then you say, well, where are we? Why did we do all the ranking?

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Why did we go to all the effort of doing all this? And then they say, well, that's what we have

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to do to the process. Otherwise, it wouldn't happen. And then the same thing we run into right now

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with respect to the bridge. They tell us, you must hold it. And we say, we don't want to hold it.

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And they say, well, you won't get any money if you don't consider it to tell it. So we say, okay,

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well, we'll consider it. And then a nanosecond later will say, well, we're not going to do it.

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And they said, yes, but you did consider it.

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We said, yes, we did.

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And so, well, then you went through the process

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and you have considered it.

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And so now you're all, it's so Mickey Mouse, it's ridiculous.

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It's like you can't get anything done

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and nobody is at fault.

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And nobody has the wherewithal to be able to pull the trigger

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and be able to say, yes, I'm going to get the money

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and I'm going to get happy.

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It just doesn't happen that way.

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And so what happens is it goes through this bureaucratic layering.

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And by the time we get to the end of the process,

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we already forgot what we started to begin with

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and it's called the paralysis of analysis.

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So my point being is it's very, very frustrating

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that we can't just fix a bridge

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or we can't just find the funds to do something

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or we can't identify the growth that is here,

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everybody knows full well the growth is here

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but yet we don't get the support.

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And I don't know why that is

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and not even to bring up the cost of insurance.

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Well, we have the lowest claims rate

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and we have the highest building codes

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but yet we pay more than anybody else does

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in the entire state of North Carolina

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because we're quoting more risk. Forgive me, Mr. Chairman, but it's just frustrating. I share your concerns.

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I've got a couple. I think the, and again, it's all in how you write this for that, but the down zoning issue is something that needs to be addressed.

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The other issue that needs to be addressed is development impact fees and increasing

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the percentage of the impact fees in which developers should be accountable for.

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As it gets into highways, we need to be looking at some type of improvement plan

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with our DOT that looks at existing roadways and starts planning ahead.

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Certainly, and they could use Brunswick County as the model, my Lord, with all the

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development that has been approved and waiting, you know, while wait until the

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roads are packed full before you start expanding. I mean, and obviously with

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the bridge issue in New Hanover with 31, the issue there, it looks to me that they would

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be making studies or involved in studies that would be widening 17, widening all of

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our quarters for the evacuation issue, coming out of our coastal communities and leading into

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adjacent counties. But I think whenever we look at 211 and the issues that's been associated

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with 211, you know, again, if you don't start planning, you start putting some money

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into it with the existing roadways. And again, I do think that Brunswick County is unique

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because we can we could be a model because of the development and what's what

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we know is coming down the road if where they could actually look at our

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roadways and say yeah you're gonna need to do something and put it into a

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plan and actually approve some dollars so those are my three. I actually had

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just before you started I wrote down myself impact fees for development it's

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It's time for North Carolina to come out of the dock ages and go along with 48 other states

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and implement impact fees.

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It's only us in Texas that don't do it.

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It's ridiculous that my current citizens have to pay for future growth

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when they've already paid theirs.

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I had another idea while we were sitting here.

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Again, DOT related.

469
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requested the legislature commission to study to examine how to speed up DOT's programming

470
00:43:08,990 --> 00:43:09,590
development.

471
00:43:09,870 --> 00:43:12,230
Go Robert, I won't even speak with that one further.

472
00:43:13,290 --> 00:43:18,030
I look at other states including one just south of us and it's like, why do they get things

473
00:43:18,030 --> 00:43:19,370
done so much faster than us?

474
00:43:19,710 --> 00:43:24,470
Mr. Chairman, same thing, okay, Mr. McIntyre sitting right back here, just got an award for

475
00:43:24,470 --> 00:43:28,710
tsunami and storm red because we drill, we've been in a lot of different drills and we've

476
00:43:28,710 --> 00:43:30,130
already gone through that aspect of it.

477
00:43:30,410 --> 00:43:31,410
So we have to be proactive.

478
00:43:31,990 --> 00:43:33,250
We have to be ready.

479
00:43:34,690 --> 00:43:35,330
State doesn't.

480
00:43:36,490 --> 00:43:37,130
State doesn't.

481
00:43:37,410 --> 00:43:39,110
State basically says you're on your own.

482
00:43:39,530 --> 00:43:40,590
They're going to give us all what is it?

483
00:43:40,710 --> 00:43:41,410
$80 million.

484
00:43:41,490 --> 00:43:44,050
I think it is for the bridge replacement for a 1.1 billion.

485
00:43:44,170 --> 00:43:45,010
Is that right, Mr. Chairman?

486
00:43:45,410 --> 00:43:46,430
$1.2 billion.

487
00:43:46,770 --> 00:43:47,510
Yeah, and they're going to give us what?

488
00:43:47,590 --> 00:43:48,570
$80 million for it?

489
00:43:48,610 --> 00:43:49,210
That's so far.

490
00:43:49,370 --> 00:43:50,230
Yeah, thank you very much.

491
00:43:50,490 --> 00:43:52,350
In other words, they don't have to be proactive.

492
00:43:52,910 --> 00:43:55,410
They can wait until the cows come home.

493
00:43:55,410 --> 00:43:58,670
They have to wait until somebody moves here before they're going to say,

494
00:43:58,790 --> 00:44:00,690
oh, gee, we need to expand those roads.

495
00:44:01,070 --> 00:44:06,830
But we don't we have to be proactive. We have to put all these things in place. We have to have the personnel

496
00:44:06,830 --> 00:44:12,590
We have to have law enforcement. We have to have EMS. We have to have all this stuff in place and we do and we have to be prepared

497
00:44:12,590 --> 00:44:16,450
Like Mr. McIntyre is doing back there, but yet the state doesn't do it

498
00:44:16,450 --> 00:44:21,610
Now I feel like we're being failed by them unfortunately, and I wish that they would spend the money and you know I get I get they said

499
00:44:21,610 --> 00:44:24,270
Well, if you want to do it then we'll just turn the roads over to you and I said fine

500
00:44:24,270 --> 00:44:27,930
Give us the personnel the money and the equipment and we'll take them sure

501
00:44:27,930 --> 00:44:29,730
They don't like to give us personnel, but they're a good one.

502
00:44:29,750 --> 00:44:32,590
No, they don't like it because they want to throw it back to you and say, well, we'll

503
00:44:32,590 --> 00:44:33,190
just give it to you.

504
00:44:33,230 --> 00:44:34,090
And I go, yeah, that's fine.

505
00:44:34,210 --> 00:44:35,090
Go ahead and give it to us.

506
00:44:35,310 --> 00:44:36,110
They give us the money.

507
00:44:36,350 --> 00:44:36,890
Give us the equipment.

508
00:44:37,310 --> 00:44:38,570
And they just give us the personnel.

509
00:44:38,990 --> 00:44:39,670
And we'll take it.

510
00:44:41,410 --> 00:44:45,810
And while it is on top of all the uncharted mandates that they keep hitting us, where you got

511
00:44:45,810 --> 00:44:47,250
to do this, but don't give us a dime.

512
00:44:47,250 --> 00:44:51,650
Or not even to mention the special legislation that comes down the pike and they don't

513
00:44:51,650 --> 00:44:54,390
even consult us on it, where it should be collaborative.

514
00:44:54,390 --> 00:44:58,330
It should be something that helps us, but instead they just issue and eat it.

515
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:12,880
Anything else for legislative goals? Well, I hope you'll get them accomplished. Yes, procedural question. When is the deadline to submit these? October.

516
00:45:15,380 --> 00:45:29,240
It's either here or just passed, but we've got another week or two. That was individual. The end of August was individual. If we wanted to send one in, particularly like Frank and I as board members for the NCACC.

517
00:45:29,240 --> 00:45:32,560
I think the county ones are October 15th.

518
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,100
It's the different than the federal and state.

519
00:45:37,100 --> 00:45:40,340
Okay, I can check it in verify.

520
00:45:41,260 --> 00:45:46,560
So if I got this right, these are the three for five that we will submit.

521
00:45:47,300 --> 00:45:49,940
State DOT funds for draining the ditches.

522
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:51,360
In Camus service area.

523
00:45:51,720 --> 00:45:52,480
In Camus.

524
00:45:52,980 --> 00:45:56,720
DOT again, request state evacuation routes.

525
00:45:57,660 --> 00:46:02,420
everything else that you had with that the bridge replacement modified a

526
00:46:02,420 --> 00:46:09,120
program for replacement impact fees for development and address the

527
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:15,840
down zoning issues where we are powerless to do anything. Did I miss anything?

528
00:46:17,020 --> 00:46:22,960
Development impact fees. I got that. I just said down. All right so those are the

529
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,960
We will submit. I need a motion.

530
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:27,240
Second.

531
00:46:28,980 --> 00:46:29,740
Camps and Williams.

532
00:46:31,220 --> 00:46:32,640
Any other discussion?

533
00:46:34,900 --> 00:46:36,260
All those in favour? Please say aye.

534
00:46:36,620 --> 00:46:36,980
Aye.

535
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:38,140
Thank you.

536
00:46:38,820 --> 00:46:40,500
All right. Moving on.

537
00:46:41,720 --> 00:46:42,800
Cooperative extension.

538
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:43,820
Morgan King.

539
00:46:45,700 --> 00:46:46,260
Hello, Morgan.

540
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:50,100
Good afternoon, commissioners.

541
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:51,480
Thank you for your time today.

542
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:57,200
I'm here to request that you consider the addition of a new full-time cooperative extension

543
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:58,940
agricultural extension agent.

544
00:46:59,380 --> 00:47:04,240
If approved, this position would be cost-shared between NC State and Brunswick County.

545
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,080
That would be a full-time Brunswick County employee.

546
00:47:08,020 --> 00:47:12,440
This position would focus on livestock and the deal candidate would also be able to support

547
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:15,060
field crops, so producers and growers.

548
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:19,240
But one of the pieces I'm excited about as well as that this position could support our

549
00:47:19,240 --> 00:47:26,340
youth livestock programs to include dairy cattle, poultry and goat shows and things of that

550
00:47:26,340 --> 00:47:31,820
nature for our youth programs. With that, I'm happy to answer any questions. Any questions

551
00:47:31,820 --> 00:47:32,400
from Morgan?

552
00:47:34,660 --> 00:47:40,960
You got me whenever you guys saw Steve Stone with that cow walking the cow

553
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:46,320
around it. Why would not? Yeah, I'll make it into a motion.

554
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:55,000
Thompson Williams. I do think that it is a great educational opportunity for the youth.

555
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:59,120
So yes, very much support. You want the Calorama?

556
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,140
I'm a city boy. I painted it on set.

557
00:48:06,340 --> 00:48:07,600
They didn't like you either.

558
00:48:07,740 --> 00:48:08,780
They didn't like me either.

559
00:48:09,540 --> 00:48:10,740
All right, so I have a motion.

560
00:48:10,980 --> 00:48:11,660
I have a second.

561
00:48:11,780 --> 00:48:12,700
Any other discussion?

562
00:48:13,720 --> 00:48:14,580
All those in favor?

563
00:48:14,740 --> 00:48:15,340
Please say aye.

564
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:16,740
Any?

565
00:48:17,420 --> 00:48:17,920
All right.

566
00:48:17,980 --> 00:48:18,360
Thank you.

567
00:48:19,020 --> 00:48:19,500
Thank you.

568
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:20,540
Thank you.

569
00:48:20,860 --> 00:48:23,780
That was literally, literally, literally.

570
00:48:23,780 --> 00:48:24,080
Done.

571
00:48:24,820 --> 00:48:25,380
All right.

572
00:48:25,780 --> 00:48:28,280
Mr. Attorney, modification to the Board of Commission

573
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:31,020
is public hearing and public comments policies.

574
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:32,220
Yes, sir.

575
00:48:32,340 --> 00:48:33,140
Thank you very much.

576
00:48:33,140 --> 00:48:40,640
The board has requested modifications to the public comment policy as well as the

577
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:44,980
policy on the legislative public hearings.

578
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:53,680
Typically what the board has done has been three minutes per speaker unless there is a group

579
00:48:54,120 --> 00:49:00,440
at which point in time no one else in the group is to speak and the group representative is to have

580
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:06,420
eight minutes, and that is to allow more time for other topics and other individuals to speak.

581
00:49:07,660 --> 00:49:13,460
Recently, actually, I think as recent as last meeting, there was a speaker at one of the hearings

582
00:49:13,460 --> 00:49:20,480
who spoke for the Property Owners Association. Someone else in the Owners Association then spoke

583
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:24,400
after that eight minute period of time, and then someone else who lived in the neighborhood

584
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:28,180
that said they don't actually speak for me also spoke.

585
00:49:28,180 --> 00:49:44,700
So the board had asked for modifications to eliminate the eight minutes for groups and just allow every individual to speak for three minutes and it remains in the board's discretion to allow additional time.

586
00:49:47,890 --> 00:49:52,630
And I'll say I was the one who requested that we look at this because I thought it was confusing for a while.

587
00:49:52,630 --> 00:49:57,430
Well, I could see a distinction between public comments and public hearing.

588
00:49:57,750 --> 00:50:01,650
So I'm open to discussing if we wanted to treat a public hearing differently.

589
00:50:02,210 --> 00:50:06,050
And then in a public hearing, if it's, you know, to me, that's a different animal than

590
00:50:06,050 --> 00:50:06,730
public comments.

591
00:50:06,930 --> 00:50:12,170
But I know I would rather hear ten citizens speak for three minutes than three group reps

592
00:50:12,170 --> 00:50:15,990
speak for eight minutes each and tie up most of the time and we got 30 minutes allotted.

593
00:50:16,130 --> 00:50:18,310
So I'm generally supportive of this.

594
00:50:18,410 --> 00:50:21,590
I'd be interested to hear what everybody else has to say before we put a motion on the floor.

595
00:50:21,590 --> 00:50:29,790
But that's not the only thing he's changing on this, and there's another item on this thing, the size to eight minutes.

596
00:50:30,070 --> 00:50:33,070
Yeah, there was another item in this agenda.

597
00:50:33,290 --> 00:50:35,210
So that was accidentally attached.

598
00:50:35,550 --> 00:50:38,910
Okay, that's not part of the, I was wondering where that came from.

599
00:50:39,530 --> 00:50:42,950
It does get confusing because you got a person comes up just as restated.

600
00:50:43,250 --> 00:50:45,430
I'm here to represent the world or whatever it is.

601
00:50:45,570 --> 00:50:47,010
You know, and then they used to beat there for eight minutes.

602
00:50:47,210 --> 00:50:48,830
And then I said, well, I don't have anything to do with him.

603
00:50:49,350 --> 00:50:53,770
And so then they do it just as we just stated, so it would be a lot clearer if we did that.

604
00:50:54,010 --> 00:50:55,810
Is this the red line version that's on screen?

605
00:50:56,530 --> 00:50:56,670
No.

606
00:50:56,970 --> 00:50:58,030
Okay, I didn't think so.

607
00:50:58,510 --> 00:51:01,730
Is there a way to put the red line version on and just show exactly what's being changed

608
00:51:01,730 --> 00:51:02,610
to make sure we're all on?

609
00:51:03,110 --> 00:51:04,590
I'm just going to say this.

610
00:51:07,310 --> 00:51:12,690
I'm not for making any changes at this time, and it's due to we've got a election coming

611
00:51:12,690 --> 00:51:13,090
up.

612
00:51:13,090 --> 00:51:19,510
And with the election coming up, there'll be two people, could be two new people on the board.

613
00:51:19,750 --> 00:51:21,330
We know we're going to have one person.

614
00:51:21,950 --> 00:51:25,830
And I think that they need to be part of this change if we're going to change something

615
00:51:25,830 --> 00:51:28,750
because we could change it again in December or January.

616
00:51:29,550 --> 00:51:34,170
So I think they need to be part of being able to speak on this issue.

617
00:51:34,430 --> 00:51:38,250
And I think it needs to wait, but that's my opinion.

618
00:51:39,730 --> 00:51:47,330
any other discussion? Yeah, I'll go ahead. You know, yeah, it does add for confusion and

619
00:51:47,330 --> 00:51:56,450
it does add for, I guess, a little bit linked to your meeting, but you know, people take

620
00:51:56,450 --> 00:52:04,750
your time and they come up here and they wait to get it that podium to address issues that

621
00:52:04,750 --> 00:52:11,270
that are concerning not only to them, but in this eight-minute case concerning to others

622
00:52:11,830 --> 00:52:13,870
that have an alike opinion.

623
00:52:14,610 --> 00:52:24,190
And I think by right now, by taking that opportunity away from those, you know, I'm

624
00:52:24,190 --> 00:52:32,910
sure with just about everything, there are those that differ from the way in which the

625
00:52:32,910 --> 00:52:38,270
policy or procedure was actually designed. I think that happens with a lot of

626
00:52:38,270 --> 00:52:48,090
things but providing the opportunity for those to speak that follow the

627
00:52:48,090 --> 00:52:55,270
directions, I would honestly hate to take that away from that group. So I would say

628
00:52:55,270 --> 00:53:02,490
leave it alone right now, understand and be made public that hey we've got some

629
00:53:02,490 --> 00:53:12,390
concerns with the speaking arrangement not following some of the guidelines and making

630
00:53:12,390 --> 00:53:18,390
sure that is there anything that we can do to make the guidelines even more clear than

631
00:53:18,390 --> 00:53:24,130
what they are before the individuals decide who's going to come to the podium.

632
00:53:24,410 --> 00:53:30,610
So I don't know that we've done everything that we can do to make sure that our position

633
00:53:30,610 --> 00:53:40,170
and our policy is well understood by the public that's coming forward to speak.

634
00:53:40,490 --> 00:53:45,410
So I would say let it roll for the moment, but that's just my thought.

635
00:53:46,970 --> 00:53:50,790
And again, I brought it up because I thought it needed to be discussed, but also this is

636
00:53:50,790 --> 00:53:53,730
something I want the board to all be on the same page on if we change it.

637
00:53:53,870 --> 00:54:00,430
So I will make a motion that we table this until after the new board has seated next year

638
00:54:00,430 --> 00:54:02,170
and then consider revisiting at that point.

639
00:54:03,250 --> 00:54:03,970
I'll second.

640
00:54:06,370 --> 00:54:08,290
Able, Williams, Thompson,

641
00:54:10,540 --> 00:54:11,400
any other discussion?

642
00:54:11,580 --> 00:54:13,820
Yes, thank you to the attorney for putting time

643
00:54:13,820 --> 00:54:16,580
and putting this together and don't delete it.

644
00:54:17,260 --> 00:54:19,220
Mr. Chairman, I thought we brought it forward

645
00:54:19,220 --> 00:54:22,860
because the fact is that we were somewhat challenged

646
00:54:22,860 --> 00:54:24,480
by individuals who would come up and claim

647
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:27,460
that they were speaking on behalf of a group of people

648
00:54:27,460 --> 00:54:29,640
that there's no way of really vetting it.

649
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:31,340
So the thing is we'd have to do that.

650
00:54:31,340 --> 00:54:36,360
than also the confusion of the individual who speaks as we just stated twice that we

651
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:39,900
could have other individuals said, well, he doesn't represent me or she doesn't represent

652
00:54:39,900 --> 00:54:40,220
me.

653
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:45,460
So we were trying to come up with a way to be provide an ample way of doing it.

654
00:54:45,500 --> 00:54:52,440
And I think Chairman William Sedated, you'd rather have whatever, you know who I'm talking

655
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:52,880
about, right?

656
00:54:53,020 --> 00:54:57,000
But anyway, you'd rather have a bunch of people that come up and they speak their mind

657
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:01,120
versus somebody that says, oh my gosh, I couldn't say what I wanted to because this

658
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:05,740
guy already spoke on my behalf. So that being said, I really don't want to put it off.

659
00:55:05,820 --> 00:55:08,960
I think we should go ahead and pass it tonight because that's why we brought it forward

660
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:12,540
as the cause of the problems that we've existed with it. Now we've got it coming forth

661
00:55:12,540 --> 00:55:17,580
and I think it's fair. We didn't restrict people. In fact, we make it more of an availability

662
00:55:17,580 --> 00:55:21,820
for individuals to be able to come up and speak their mind if an individual that supposedly

663
00:55:21,820 --> 00:55:27,700
represents a group does not address their concerns. So that being said, Mr. Chairman, I can't

664
00:55:27,700 --> 00:55:30,120
really support tabling yet, I would like to see us push it forward.

665
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:36,660
I'd like to say it in the going on two years that I've been the chairman, there's been

666
00:55:36,660 --> 00:55:41,100
numerous incidents where somebody got up and spoke for eight minutes and even extended

667
00:55:41,100 --> 00:55:49,720
that sum and I've let it go and I've even had on occasion asked, would the people at this

668
00:55:49,720 --> 00:55:55,560
individual speaking for please stand up or raise their hand and they have and then after

669
00:55:55,560 --> 00:56:01,660
that person talks, somebody I'll call another name, and it's going to speak the same thing.

670
00:56:02,660 --> 00:56:04,840
And it has been confusing.

671
00:56:05,540 --> 00:56:06,580
And I've let them speak.

672
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:08,020
I haven't stopped anybody.

673
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:17,540
But I agree we need to be more concise with the rules, figure something out where, if

674
00:56:17,540 --> 00:56:22,900
you're speaking, and I've said this numerous times, if you're speaking for a group, nobody

675
00:56:22,900 --> 00:56:26,880
somebody else can speak on this particular topic and then they stand up and say, no, I want

676
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:32,920
to talk. I don't even know who that is, that's speaking. It's, it's touchy. You don't want

677
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:39,400
to stifle somebody or shut them down when there's commission of time. They drive up here

678
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:42,520
to be heard and then we tell them that you can't.

679
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:47,360
I personally would be in favor of just letting

680
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:51,700
as many people speak for three minutes as they want. I need a spokesman. I can get the same

681
00:56:51,700 --> 00:56:59,820
in Pro from six or seven people instead of one, but I'm okay with tabling it for now

682
00:56:59,820 --> 00:57:05,800
and we'll revisit this and perhaps we can come up with a better way to define how we

683
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:15,300
do this. If we're going to let one individual talk, how do we do that? And not necessarily

684
00:57:15,300 --> 00:57:21,420
She cut off other people who weren't part of that, as that last meeting, as you said,

685
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:27,420
an individual said she was speaking for the POA, H-O-A, whichever one it was, and

686
00:57:27,420 --> 00:57:31,820
then other people, like three more, got up and said, no, she don't speak for me, I don't

687
00:57:31,820 --> 00:57:32,140
know, huh?

688
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:36,420
So there's an issue when we got to figure out a way to fix it.

689
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:41,820
And the other person with the POA did have the opposite viewpoint, so, right, in fact we're

690
00:57:41,820 --> 00:57:42,680
not speaking for him.

691
00:57:42,980 --> 00:57:43,340
Right.

692
00:57:44,220 --> 00:57:53,060
So I have a motion to table this. It's been seconded. So all those in favor of

693
00:57:53,060 --> 00:58:05,780
tabling this for now. Please say aye. Aye. Those opposed? No. 4-1 cook. Okay. Thank

694
00:58:05,780 --> 00:58:07,320
you. Yes, sir. Thank you.

695
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:13,200
So let's see what you get. Brian, options for the

696
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:16,140
The regulation of burning in the county.

697
00:58:16,700 --> 00:58:18,220
Let me grab this piece for work.

698
00:58:18,780 --> 00:58:19,840
Yes, sir, thank you.

699
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:22,860
At the August 3rd meeting, Commissioner Thompson moved and

700
00:58:22,860 --> 00:58:25,640
the board voted and requested options to move forward.

701
00:58:27,060 --> 00:58:31,340
And that some of those options would be an ordinance addressing open

702
00:58:31,340 --> 00:58:36,520
burning, the board unanimously passed that request.

703
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:40,800
As part of working on this agenda item and looking through the options,

704
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:46,100
I did put together a history of what has been before the board and all of those items have

705
00:58:46,100 --> 00:58:51,680
been handed to you and they're in front of you and tabbed to the best of my ability.

706
00:58:53,880 --> 00:59:01,220
But back on June 2nd of 2025, there was a quest for proposed legislation prohibiting open

707
00:59:01,220 --> 00:59:12,020
burning. That was brought before the board on June 16th. That is on the first tab. The

708
00:59:12,020 --> 00:59:20,760
language is still there. And it requests that upon resolution of the Board of

709
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:24,720
Commissioners in a Hyde Houser County that you could make it unlawful to

710
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:29,140
burning debris with the current statutory exceptions.

711
00:59:30,740 --> 00:59:42,940
Then on November 17th, 2025, more information was provided on the limitations of the county prohibiting onsite burning

712
00:59:42,940 --> 00:59:43,880
evictation debris.

713
00:59:44,660 --> 00:59:53,180
As part of that, Mr. Stone presented an item which is attached and we included in the agenda item

714
00:59:53,180 --> 00:59:59,980
a discussion about how the county has statutory authority within 100 feet of an occupier.

715
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:29,480
By dwelling within the unincorporated areas. Most people's concern with open learning has to do with air quality and public health. The state has a statutory scheme that if a county wants to regulate for air quality, then you are to put together a program and get approval from the Environmental Management Commission.

716
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:38,980
And the information is included in agenda item, including the state regulations and the administrative code.

717
01:00:42,540 --> 01:00:49,880
On April 6th of this year, the county manager requested direction on possible options to regulate burning through the solid waste ordinance.

718
01:00:51,780 --> 01:01:06,800
What this item did is basically took rather well-drafted, but it basically took the current state rules and put them in to our solid waste ordinance, which already addresses burning.

719
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:22,080
Now, it did not give us any ability to prohibit the open burning, but gave us the ability, well, put in our, in fact, regulations that we would also enforce the state rules.

720
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:34,140
On April the 6th, 26th Commissioner Thompson also requested to be brought back letters to state legislatures on various issues,

721
01:01:34,140 --> 01:01:42,440
one of which was the impacts of land clearing and the burning of debris. That

722
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:46,840
letter was sent and passed unanimously and that is included in your packet as

723
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:47,040
well.

724
01:01:49,450 --> 01:01:56,960
I've included in the packet it looks basically like this. These are the

725
01:01:56,960 --> 01:02:02,020
portions of our solid waste ordinance that actually talks to open

726
01:02:02,020 --> 01:02:09,180
burning. It begins with the definitions and then the regulated activities. All open

727
01:02:09,180 --> 01:02:15,820
burning is prohibited except provided herein. And then it talks about burning of leaves

728
01:02:15,820 --> 01:02:23,020
in your yard, camp fires for outdoor cooking, fire set for fire fighting personnel, prescribed

729
01:02:23,020 --> 01:02:28,760
burns, open burning of agricultural fields, et cetera. And then in the enforcement section,

730
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:57,960
And it specifically excludes from our authority anything with an otherwise lawful state permit which is the debris burning associated with the land clearing because the state has retained control of that Mr. Stone had a meeting with barstree just last week or the week before and I'll paraphrase for purposes.

731
01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:02,200
is, yes, they retain full authority to permit it.

732
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:06,060
And yes, it is very hard for them to deny one of those permits.

733
01:03:09,580 --> 01:03:10,940
That's accurate.

734
01:03:11,180 --> 01:03:17,560
I mean, they can place some limits on the permits

735
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:19,380
that are in statute.

736
01:03:20,940 --> 01:03:23,980
But then they tell me they have to issue them

737
01:03:23,980 --> 01:03:26,480
that there are three counties in the state

738
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:32,780
state that do have an air quality program and it's there opinion that those are the

739
01:03:32,780 --> 01:03:38,180
only three counties that in essence can trump a forestry permit.

740
01:03:38,740 --> 01:03:45,840
I did go through and review various counties and they do have burning regulations similar

741
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:49,860
to ours which exempt the lawful state permits.

742
01:03:49,860 --> 01:03:58,600
I've gone through and looked at, there's lots of public information releases and media

743
01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:06,060
releases that say, countywide burn ban in effect, and then it goes into, in conjunction

744
01:04:06,060 --> 01:04:12,220
with the state of North Carolina burn ban, which controls most open and incorporated areas,

745
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:17,000
the county also did a burn ban within 100 feet of residential structures.

746
01:04:18,340 --> 01:04:22,020
So even those counties who say there's a county wide burn ban

747
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:26,060
Recognize in there, they're limited authority

748
01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:29,860
So several options of where to go from here.

749
01:04:31,260 --> 01:04:34,480
I did put in the option

750
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:40,220
Requested last time that's a ban of all burning in the incorporated areas and then several

751
01:04:41,100 --> 01:04:47,480
items which would be allowed, which would be allowed and allowed with permits.

752
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:55,540
Let's see, burning associated with agriculture would be exempt, burning associated with forestry would be exempt.

753
01:04:56,460 --> 01:05:02,020
Controlled burns for vegetation, burning for the purpose of the food of warmth, and

754
01:05:02,020 --> 01:05:06,160
burns permitted for special events, bonfires of limited duration.

755
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:09,480
That would require additional permits.

756
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:11,920
As part of that, there was a quest for

757
01:05:14,390 --> 01:05:18,410
land debris to be free at the landfill.

758
01:05:19,650 --> 01:05:28,070
There's an attachment there from operation services regarding the cost of vegetable debris.

759
01:05:29,210 --> 01:05:38,060
I believe the direct impacts from just the past, I believe the past fiscal year,

760
01:05:38,060 --> 01:05:45,240
The current measure of long meal is had it been free, what people were bringing, it was approximately $160,000.

761
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:52,400
That's without, say, any guesstimate on how much more would be brought in.

762
01:05:52,740 --> 01:05:56,180
That was just the current vegetable debris while we were charging.

763
01:05:57,060 --> 01:06:04,960
And then there's other information on equipment, purchases, and those type of items,

764
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:07,800
which would be necessary for the increase.

765
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:11,080
I have a question on the option.

766
01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:12,340
Okay.

767
01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:17,680
Choosing option one,

768
01:06:18,260 --> 01:06:24,180
do I still understand that that does not impact the state

769
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:27,860
ability for the state to issue permits?

770
01:06:28,540 --> 01:06:28,980
Yes, sir.

771
01:06:29,220 --> 01:06:32,540
And so they would still be able to burn regardless of,

772
01:06:32,540 --> 01:06:39,560
As a matter of fact, regardless of any of your options, I guess, well, maybe option number

773
01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:40,080
four.

774
01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:50,320
But I don't see any way around state legislation at the county level.

775
01:06:50,540 --> 01:06:54,940
Am I correct in that with everything that you're preparing to present?

776
01:06:55,220 --> 01:07:02,160
I don't think so, I think the air quality program could impact whether the state is able to

777
01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:12,060
issue the permits and one of the options or request is also just getting legislative authority

778
01:07:12,060 --> 01:07:18,080
again. We can always resubmit that the actual legislation that was drafted, the board

779
01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:21,960
tabled, but they have followed up with a letter since then.

780
01:07:22,180 --> 01:07:29,380
I do think that maybe we need to consider adding that to one of our goals to see if they

781
01:07:29,380 --> 01:07:37,660
We would consider it again as one of our goals, but I'm good with my question from

782
01:07:37,660 --> 01:07:38,060
optional.

783
01:07:39,540 --> 01:07:40,120
Yes, sir.

784
01:07:40,520 --> 01:07:51,940
Option two is what had previously been mentioned is adopt the state regs and have staff go out

785
01:07:51,940 --> 01:07:53,080
and make sure they're followed.

786
01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:57,840
For example, I think there may be an initial visit from a forest ranger when there's a permit

787
01:07:57,840 --> 01:08:00,480
that validates the setbacks and whatnot.

788
01:08:01,780 --> 01:08:03,940
They don't go out again, it's my understanding

789
01:08:03,940 --> 01:08:05,000
until there's a complaint.

790
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:07,380
Well, there's all the rules that need to be followed,

791
01:08:07,380 --> 01:08:11,520
like stop adding debris at 6 p.m.

792
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:16,740
And things such as that, that county staff could monitor

793
01:08:17,360 --> 01:08:19,080
and then turn them over to forestry.

794
01:08:20,280 --> 01:08:23,680
And that would at least bring them into compliance

795
01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:24,980
with the forestry regs.

796
01:08:26,550 --> 01:08:43,630
option 4. Option 4 was interesting, Commissioner Thompson, you asked during the drought and while the wildfire was going on, could we issue a state of emergency and prevent open burning?

797
01:08:44,310 --> 01:08:56,430
I stated, well, one of the issues is going to be, they're going to say, well, we have a state permit at hand, and that says we can burn, take a hike.

798
01:08:58,390 --> 01:09:01,390
Well, one of the other things to consider is,

799
01:09:05,790 --> 01:09:17,550
well, during the drought, but specifically the fire that was going on, well, that limits, I think, public safety response and other areas of the county, I think that's fair to say.

800
01:09:17,550 --> 01:09:23,770
if everyone comes together and is fighting the fire that could affect responses in other areas.

801
01:09:24,390 --> 01:09:34,730
I think that would be an excellent opportunity to try and issue a burn band to say hey everyone's

802
01:09:34,730 --> 01:09:38,330
working on this one fire, you other guys need to stop burning.

803
01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:43,420
I think if we were to do something

804
01:09:43,420 --> 01:09:49,660
like that. It would be a helpful to amend our state of emergency ordinance. And we would

805
01:09:49,660 --> 01:09:55,760
put something along those lines in there specifically so that everyone knows this is what we're

806
01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:56,480
going to look at doing.

807
01:09:58,890 --> 01:10:02,570
That's a question reference. Yes sir. We had a conversation as you

808
01:10:02,570 --> 01:10:10,690
probably remember by week or so back and you were saying that the general feeling and forgive

809
01:10:10,690 --> 01:10:16,390
give me, I'm paraphrasing, I may not be exact, but you were saying that you think that

810
01:10:16,390 --> 01:10:23,110
there may be some latitude whereby counties could extend beyond the 100 feet of occupied

811
01:10:23,110 --> 01:10:29,150
dwelling, if we put it in ordinance. At least that's my understanding. So the big concern

812
01:10:29,150 --> 01:10:35,710
is we appeal to the state twice before the fire, and then once after the fire that they

813
01:10:35,710 --> 01:10:41,230
like what that we would like the unincorporated areas not to be able to burn and they denied us.

814
01:10:41,790 --> 01:10:45,970
We're sitting here saying we're doing everything we know how to do it. We're being another issue.

815
01:10:46,110 --> 01:10:50,590
I mean, for crying out loud, the ponds are all dry. So the thing is we're saying we're doing it

816
01:10:50,590 --> 01:10:55,070
and then we can, but the state just acts almost as a vacuum and says they ignore it.

817
01:10:55,790 --> 01:11:01,870
So could we write some way outside of an air quality or outside necessarily a state emergency aspect

818
01:11:01,870 --> 01:11:06,770
saying we now have an ordinance that says if we have a countywide burn ban it extends

819
01:11:06,770 --> 01:11:13,130
beyond the hundred feet of an occupied dwelling. That means all unincorporated areas. Is there a way

820
01:11:13,130 --> 01:11:20,850
we can write that? Not necessarily. What I have envisioned is something along the lines of

821
01:11:21,670 --> 01:11:27,710
our state of emergency ordinance says the county can declare a state of emergency. Here are some

822
01:11:27,710 --> 01:11:31,570
some of the actions you can take, depending on the state of emergency.

823
01:11:32,210 --> 01:11:38,090
We have different ones for hurricanes than we would see.

824
01:11:38,650 --> 01:11:42,810
I think we've done severe weather for ice as an example.

825
01:11:43,190 --> 01:11:48,830
So there would be different responses and one of those would be the burning up.

826
01:11:49,210 --> 01:11:51,630
Could a draft be considered a state of emergency?

827
01:11:51,910 --> 01:11:56,830
Could that do it which would be the litmus for, or the tipping point, if you will, to be

828
01:11:56,830 --> 01:11:58,810
to be able to initiate that burn man.

829
01:12:00,130 --> 01:12:03,930
I would, it's possible I would hesitate to go that far.

830
01:12:04,170 --> 01:12:05,930
My thinking is long the lines of,

831
01:12:06,850 --> 01:12:11,790
we're already out there with all of the county resources fighting this wildfire.

832
01:12:12,370 --> 01:12:13,070
We don't have the assets.

833
01:12:13,690 --> 01:12:18,550
And we don't need any other fires out there if it gets out of control.

834
01:12:19,570 --> 01:12:20,670
What are we going to do?

835
01:12:21,330 --> 01:12:24,690
The state looked at it from what are the available fuels?

836
01:12:24,690 --> 01:12:26,050
How are they looking?

837
01:12:26,890 --> 01:12:27,650
How could it cost?

838
01:12:28,130 --> 01:12:32,590
They don't look at it from the, it's my understanding,

839
01:12:33,290 --> 01:12:35,390
a public safety factor of,

840
01:12:35,810 --> 01:12:38,350
our follow-up resources are dumped into this.

841
01:12:38,670 --> 01:12:40,710
How do we actively fight fires elsewhere?

842
01:12:42,090 --> 01:12:43,770
So it's sort of nuanced,

843
01:12:43,770 --> 01:12:46,550
and I'm just thinking that's a possible avenue

844
01:12:46,550 --> 01:12:47,910
we could look at doing.

845
01:12:50,690 --> 01:12:53,610
I don't know that's really going to work.

846
01:12:53,610 --> 01:13:02,420
because on a given day there's no telling how many stacked calls there are for

847
01:13:02,420 --> 01:13:07,580
law enforcement. There's no telling how many EMS units we've already run out of

848
01:13:07,580 --> 01:13:13,760
in Brunswick County at our neighbors for EMS units and there's no telling how

849
01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:19,540
many fire apparatus. If you get one structure fire and you got seven to eight fire

850
01:13:19,540 --> 01:13:26,760
apparatus from different departments according to one structure fire. We're in a state of emergency almost

851
01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:36,160
every day at some point in the day. If you look at that because of our overdevelopment so I don't

852
01:13:36,160 --> 01:13:42,960
know that that's really going to work force putting it in there. I mean I appreciate the thought but

853
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:49,480
But I look at it as we're in a state of emergency every day if you start looking at resources

854
01:13:50,440 --> 01:13:58,780
because our resources, because of the demand of this county, or sucked in every day.

855
01:13:59,700 --> 01:14:04,580
So I don't know unless you're going to be in a state of emergency every day.

856
01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:07,840
Valet points, sir.

857
01:14:08,610 --> 01:14:13,280
Over the last 15 or 16 months, we've had two woods fires.

858
01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:15,420
I don't want to boil and spring lakes in the one in Shiloh.

859
01:14:16,020 --> 01:14:20,500
We've had two major large-scale wood fires.

860
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:24,040
I think there's always little ones.

861
01:14:24,380 --> 01:14:28,960
I meant the two big ones, BSL and Shiloh.

862
01:14:30,290 --> 01:14:37,650
The Shiloh one, while we were fighting that, as to option four, was where I'm going.

863
01:14:39,350 --> 01:14:46,930
There was at least three other fires going on in the county at that same time.

864
01:14:48,390 --> 01:14:52,470
They weren't out of control, that's not the point I'm trying to make.

865
01:14:52,470 --> 01:14:58,710
but forestry had issued about four burn permits at that time.

866
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:08,880
At a control, the others did not thank God. But to your point of declaring a state of emergency,

867
01:15:10,260 --> 01:15:18,500
and I don't disagree with commission of Thompson, in that instance, had we gone to Shalot

868
01:15:18,500 --> 01:15:24,320
and were in the command bus, and the chairman, whoever it is at the time, or Shalot would

869
01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:29,360
have been me, I was in the command bus, had I declared a state of emergency, what would

870
01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:33,540
that have possibly done for the other three fires that were already raging for a day or two.

871
01:15:36,020 --> 01:15:41,700
I would hope that at a minimum, they would quit adding to it

872
01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:46,400
because most of these,

873
01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:50,100
they constantly, as long as between the certain hours,

874
01:15:52,180 --> 01:15:54,340
add additional fuel to the fire.

875
01:15:56,550 --> 01:16:01,730
That's why some of them can go for days. That's my limited understanding.

876
01:16:01,730 --> 01:16:13,490
Okay, and option five, you want option five basically states that the local Fire Departments will not issue burn permits.

877
01:16:14,810 --> 01:16:17,150
Right? Is that what I'm taking?

878
01:16:17,590 --> 01:16:25,630
Yes, sir. That's an option. I was asked to include. I believe county staff has already stopped issuing state burden permits.

879
01:16:26,090 --> 01:16:30,690
And if anyone wants one, they direct them to the online portal, but there are still.

880
01:16:30,690 --> 01:16:37,710
So five or six places within the county that people can go to a state burn permit.

881
01:16:38,170 --> 01:16:49,510
I believe what was conveyed to me was something along the lines of the state is not going to stop the burying and we think they should.

882
01:16:50,250 --> 01:16:58,190
Why should local resources be used to help provide permits?

883
01:17:01,980 --> 01:17:10,440
I think we've got two different things. I think we've got conditions non-favorable and

884
01:17:10,440 --> 01:17:17,920
why are they issue permits. And I think the department can make a decision on that, not

885
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:28,600
to issue. I would hate to see if we only govern within a hundred foot and you've got a home

886
01:17:28,600 --> 01:17:37,860
owner that has a pile of rubbish that they want to burn, that's legally and it's 200

887
01:17:37,860 --> 01:17:43,260
foot away, then the fire department or whoever the agency is can write that permit.

888
01:17:43,700 --> 01:17:55,140
It's my understanding that these huge high impact fires that are allowed to burn by land

889
01:17:55,140 --> 01:18:01,820
clearing are only issued, those permits are only issued by forestry after an

890
01:18:01,820 --> 01:18:10,720
out of valuation. So the fire departments or the supermart down the road that's, I

891
01:18:10,720 --> 01:18:18,480
don't know the actual name of the establishment, but it's the back of age. Yeah, as a high

892
01:18:20,900 --> 01:18:26,520
They're not going to go out in a value way, a land clearing and issue a permit.

893
01:18:27,080 --> 01:18:28,760
So it's going to be forestry.

894
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:38,620
So our only way of controlling what the complaints are coming from is to get state legislation

895
01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:40,400
in my opinion.

896
01:18:44,370 --> 01:18:45,010
One question.

897
01:18:45,210 --> 01:18:50,910
We had the two major fires, as you mentioned, do we have any data on what level of drought

898
01:18:50,910 --> 01:18:54,690
We were in during each of those were they both during extreme drought or do we know?

899
01:18:56,410 --> 01:18:56,430
I

900
01:18:56,430 --> 01:19:03,230
Don't think the BSL one was. I don't remember I don't remember. I don't remember. It's a light was in the drought. Oh, it was in the extreme drought matter

901
01:19:03,230 --> 01:19:04,050
fact. I believe

902
01:19:05,590 --> 01:19:08,830
Commissioner Sykes and separately the county had reached out

903
01:19:09,450 --> 01:19:10,710
prior to the fire

904
01:19:11,350 --> 01:19:13,630
requesting a burn ban because of the drought

905
01:19:14,610 --> 01:19:15,570
and you know

906
01:19:16,190 --> 01:19:18,890
When I look at these I mean there's a lot of information in these documents

907
01:19:18,890 --> 01:19:24,650
So thanks for giving me a headache and a lot of reading to do a few days, but I'm you know, it's one of those things that

908
01:19:25,610 --> 01:19:31,650
I think the one when I look at option four if there's a state of emergency or a major fire or major

909
01:19:32,830 --> 01:19:37,650
drought going on I think that's a time when I could I could certainly support something there

910
01:19:38,290 --> 01:19:43,970
I would do I would want to make sure that if we put something in to our emergency ordinance that we put guardrails

911
01:19:43,970 --> 01:19:49,270
I looked back at COVID. We were under a state of a state-wide state of emergency under COVID

912
01:19:49,270 --> 01:19:53,090
for what seemed like three years. It was, I know it wasn't that long, but it was a very

913
01:19:53,090 --> 01:19:58,110
long time. Restrictions were in place for a long time. So if we did something, I would want

914
01:19:58,110 --> 01:20:04,470
to make sure that whatever restrictions we put in had to be reauthorized at a certain interval

915
01:20:04,470 --> 01:20:09,410
or they would sunset. And I just want to make sure that we, you know, whatever we do if we address

916
01:20:09,410 --> 01:20:15,830
We address the real problem and don't go so far that we put a law in that restricts a bunch of

917
01:20:15,830 --> 01:20:20,650
freedoms and puts a bunch of requirements on ordinary citizens who didn't have anything to do with the problem.

918
01:20:21,130 --> 01:20:28,610
Right, and to clarify for the state of emergency ordinance, the ordinance is only enforced and the

919
01:20:28,610 --> 01:20:35,190
options are only enforced when the county issues the state of emergency and specifically mentions those

920
01:20:35,190 --> 01:20:44,450
option. My concern is I think the State of Agriculture Commissioner should look at

921
01:20:44,450 --> 01:20:53,770
the state law and rewrite it so that when the forestry issues a permit and we're in

922
01:20:53,770 --> 01:21:04,510
a stream drought or an issue that is a emergency, I mean state of emergency, then we need their

923
01:21:04,510 --> 01:21:09,930
approval to band all burning. So I think we need to go and meet with the

924
01:21:09,930 --> 01:21:14,930
commission of agriculture. Two of the commissioners are all of us go up there

925
01:21:14,930 --> 01:21:20,770
and sit down and have a discussion with invite our situation. If I burn band

926
01:21:20,770 --> 01:21:27,850
if we have a burn band it should supersede the forestry permit. The other thing

927
01:21:27,850 --> 01:21:32,050
Frank it was eight hundred and eighty eight days we were locked down with

928
01:21:32,050 --> 01:21:33,610
kind of with frustrations.

929
01:21:34,010 --> 01:21:35,350
So almost three years, yes.

930
01:21:35,630 --> 01:21:35,710
Yeah.

931
01:21:36,370 --> 01:21:39,590
And to be clear, I'm not pushing for any options.

932
01:21:39,930 --> 01:21:40,130
Right.

933
01:21:40,550 --> 01:21:43,650
I don't do politics or policy.

934
01:21:44,630 --> 01:21:48,350
I'm trying to come up with options you could possibly

935
01:21:48,350 --> 01:21:52,130
look at, given the current statutory framework.

936
01:21:52,410 --> 01:21:57,890
I did want to mention though, at the end of the actual agenda

937
01:21:57,890 --> 01:21:59,850
item on its face, not an attachment,

938
01:21:59,850 --> 01:22:06,250
I did add some additional information on air curtain burners because the topic is brought up a lot and

939
01:22:06,950 --> 01:22:14,050
Let's get they get hot to the well, yeah, and quite honestly it took a bit of a research and several phone calls, but

940
01:22:15,230 --> 01:22:16,490
At the end of the day

941
01:22:16,990 --> 01:22:21,830
If when they're land clearing, they're gonna sell the timber to the extent they can get money for it

942
01:22:21,830 --> 01:22:26,810
They will so what you're left with is the tree tops and the root balls

943
01:22:29,930 --> 01:22:35,930
per acre, the tonnage can go anywhere from 10 to 50 tons an acre.

944
01:22:36,330 --> 01:22:42,330
It's really dense or if it's spread out, and depending on the

945
01:22:43,110 --> 01:22:45,730
air curtain burner, I mean, just a general

946
01:22:46,830 --> 01:22:50,830
Google search, hey, I want to rent an air curtain burner or buy an air curtain burner.

947
01:22:51,350 --> 01:22:55,530
What's it do? It can go anywhere from 2 to 13 tons

948
01:22:55,530 --> 01:22:58,910
an hour. So I want to provide you with that information

949
01:22:58,910 --> 01:23:05,950
just a show. So it feels like a spit in the ocean wouldn't do much. Well I didn't

950
01:23:05,950 --> 01:23:11,730
certainly I think the board would want to know that depending on an

951
01:23:11,730 --> 01:23:14,890
air curtain burner there's a big difference if it takes you two days to burn

952
01:23:14,890 --> 01:23:22,850
an acre or at least this shows you could most likely do an acre an hour. One of

953
01:23:22,850 --> 01:23:28,690
the other topics I did want to briefly mention is there are several permanent

954
01:23:28,690 --> 01:23:52,970
That burn sites within the county that use air curtain burners and none of these options were going any of these options were not going to be used to affect those if they were a lawful air curtain permanent burn site that these wouldn't really be applying to those unless we have state legislation.

955
01:23:52,970 --> 01:23:55,010
question. Correct.

956
01:23:58,160 --> 01:24:04,000
My own basically what you're telling me is options one through five really

957
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:12,960
don't have any teeth. It's it's all the state. Am I wrong with that assessment? Option three is the

958
01:24:12,960 --> 01:24:21,180
air quality program and that would be a big bite to be able to establish one but you would then be

959
01:24:21,180 --> 01:24:26,580
able to establish some air quality rules to affect burning, but you didn't have to hire personnel.

960
01:24:26,780 --> 01:24:32,520
Oh, yeah, I looked at Mecklenburg County's air quality program.

961
01:24:32,660 --> 01:24:34,520
Oh, boy, big money.

962
01:24:34,860 --> 01:24:46,140
Yeah, to honestly informally called this one the big brother option just because we would

963
01:24:46,140 --> 01:24:51,940
go out and watch them in monitor and then tell the state when they didn't do something

964
01:24:51,940 --> 01:24:55,180
something correctly. I think we can still do that.

965
01:24:56,140 --> 01:24:56,420
Do what?

966
01:24:56,600 --> 01:24:57,620
They don't listen to us now.

967
01:24:57,740 --> 01:24:58,200
What would change?

968
01:24:58,620 --> 01:25:01,740
Well, for example, now a complaint

969
01:25:01,740 --> 01:25:05,680
comes into the Fire Marshal's office about a burn.

970
01:25:06,060 --> 01:25:09,300
They will say, OK, where's it at?

971
01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:10,800
They will follow up.

972
01:25:11,020 --> 01:25:12,100
Is there a state permit?

973
01:25:12,380 --> 01:25:15,120
If there is a state permit, case closed,

974
01:25:15,340 --> 01:25:16,280
there's nothing we can do.

975
01:25:17,360 --> 01:25:18,600
Well, to

976
01:25:21,230 --> 01:25:23,490
possibility, we could assign staff

977
01:25:23,490 --> 01:25:28,750
I could go out and say, hey, check the pile at 6 p.m.,

978
01:25:28,750 --> 01:25:31,050
check the pile later, see if any more has been added.

979
01:25:31,850 --> 01:25:36,250
Basically, policing to ensure they follow the state program.

980
01:25:39,350 --> 01:25:40,690
I'm not saying it's a good idea.

981
01:25:41,190 --> 01:25:43,310
I'm saying that's something we could do to take steps

982
01:25:43,310 --> 01:25:44,770
about the burning we can't stop.

983
01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:49,740
I think you're right, I think.

984
01:25:50,640 --> 01:25:55,660
Can I just make a recommendation that we add this to the list

985
01:25:55,660 --> 01:25:58,960
just for staff to come back to us with a goal.

986
01:25:59,700 --> 01:26:02,640
And we review that goal and see if that will address

987
01:26:02,640 --> 01:26:06,500
the situation and put it back on the state to help us out.

988
01:26:06,620 --> 01:26:11,120
I'm good with that because if we try to implement

989
01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:13,680
any one of these five options, we're really doing nothing.

990
01:26:13,820 --> 01:26:15,180
Yeah, it's lip service.

991
01:26:16,020 --> 01:26:16,940
Nothing's gonna be done.

992
01:26:18,300 --> 01:26:19,540
They have all the power.

993
01:26:19,780 --> 01:26:20,840
We can't stop any day.

994
01:26:22,920 --> 01:26:25,660
Right, the state rules say, or I could take control.

995
01:26:25,660 --> 01:26:27,480
Do you need that in the form of a motion?

996
01:26:28,760 --> 01:26:29,060
Do I?

997
01:26:30,300 --> 01:26:33,960
I wrote it down and we can bring it back to you without a motion.

998
01:26:34,340 --> 01:26:34,600
Okay.

999
01:26:36,480 --> 01:26:37,960
Thank you for your work.

1000
01:26:38,220 --> 01:26:41,220
It's very, very thorough.

1001
01:26:42,120 --> 01:26:43,360
It helps.

1002
01:26:43,780 --> 01:26:45,360
So thank you.

1003
01:26:45,800 --> 01:26:46,600
All right.

1004
01:26:47,080 --> 01:26:47,960
Moving on.

1005
01:26:49,120 --> 01:26:50,660
Information technology, Cindy.

1006
01:26:52,300 --> 01:26:53,480
I didn't even, you know, I was looking.

1007
01:26:53,480 --> 01:26:54,460
I didn't even see you.

1008
01:26:54,460 --> 01:26:54,980
You were hiding.

1009
01:26:54,980 --> 01:26:56,720
No, I'm not hiding.

1010
01:26:57,240 --> 01:26:58,040
Good afternoon.

1011
01:26:58,600 --> 01:26:59,140
Good afternoon.

1012
01:27:01,420 --> 01:27:05,400
So county IT is here to request the Board of Commissioners approval regarding the newly

1013
01:27:05,400 --> 01:27:08,600
revised Brunswick County IT password policy.

1014
01:27:09,560 --> 01:27:14,400
And this pretty much replaces what we have in place.

1015
01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:21,320
Our IT security team gathered requirements data for each area where compliance is mandated.

1016
01:27:21,320 --> 01:27:31,080
Those areas include CEGIS, IRS 1075, PCI, HIPAA, and we use the NIST framework as a baseline,

1017
01:27:31,080 --> 01:27:34,060
which is basically industry standard and best practices.

1018
01:27:35,100 --> 01:27:39,680
Again, our recommendation to bring the county into compliance with these regulatory requirements

1019
01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:45,940
is that each of our end users will be placed in one of two policy groups.

1020
01:27:45,940 --> 01:27:55,480
One is slightly more restrictive and applies to DSS and IT staff, and it meets the IRS 1075 compliance.

1021
01:27:57,560 --> 01:28:04,300
All of our end users will be impacted by the changes that we are requesting.

1022
01:28:04,800 --> 01:28:07,340
Our minimum password lengths will be 20 characters.

1023
01:28:08,480 --> 01:28:14,600
For the DSS and IT staff members, they would be required to change their password every 90 days.

1024
01:28:14,600 --> 01:28:21,720
they would have password complexity in place which would require them to use one or excuse me three of the four

1025
01:28:22,540 --> 01:28:26,780
character types uppercase, lowercase numbers and special characters.

1026
01:28:27,680 --> 01:28:30,960
Users may not reuse any of their previous 20 passwords.

1027
01:28:31,740 --> 01:28:32,460
I'll

1028
01:28:34,660 --> 01:28:36,020
refrain from my next comment.

1029
01:28:36,200 --> 01:28:36,620
Password?

1030
01:28:37,080 --> 01:28:38,000
I'm sorry.

1031
01:28:38,760 --> 01:28:41,360
Band password screening will be in place.

1032
01:28:41,360 --> 01:28:48,360
Password will be automatically checked against a list of known or commonly used, compromised

1033
01:28:48,360 --> 01:28:56,600
or other prohibited passwords such as password 1234, spring 2024 exclamation point and those

1034
01:28:56,600 --> 01:28:58,420
do exist or they have.

1035
01:28:59,060 --> 01:29:03,920
And then passwords found on the county's band password list will be rejected during the

1036
01:29:03,920 --> 01:29:05,560
password creation or reset.

1037
01:29:05,560 --> 01:29:12,020
that. Regardless of whether an end user is in group one or group two, if their password

1038
01:29:12,020 --> 01:29:18,300
is compromised, they will be required to change it immediately, if it's suspected or

1039
01:29:18,300 --> 01:29:24,180
known to have been compromised. So that's group one. Group two would be all other end users.

1040
01:29:25,240 --> 01:29:30,220
And these are the requirements that would apply. A minimum password length of 20 characters.

1041
01:29:30,880 --> 01:29:37,800
The password must be changed annually, that's once a year, character requirements, they can

1042
01:29:37,800 --> 01:29:42,040
use any combination of uppercase, lowercase numbers and special characters.

1043
01:29:43,260 --> 01:29:48,180
They will be applied against the band password screening list, and if it shows up on the

1044
01:29:48,180 --> 01:29:52,500
list, then it will be rejected and they'll need to try again, and they'll receive a message

1045
01:29:52,500 --> 01:29:53,720
that tells them to do that.

1046
01:29:54,380 --> 01:29:59,040
And of course, if it's on, as I said on the list, they'll be rejected, and they also will

1047
01:29:59,040 --> 01:29:59,860
not be able to use.

1048
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:29,420
Any of their 20 previous passwords. For account lockouts, DSS and IT will be allowed three attempts before being locked out of their accounts, and then all other end users will be allowed five attempts. We still have the south serve password reset in place for all of our end users. That pretty much sums up the majority of the password policy. And so I'm here this afternoon. Andy Byron is also with me.

1049
01:30:29,420 --> 01:30:34,680
on Andy's team pretty much are the ones who did the research and put the request together

1050
01:30:34,680 --> 01:30:41,040
for us. So if you have questions we'll be happy to address them. I have one. It seems

1051
01:30:41,040 --> 01:30:46,660
that from time to time I get this notification I use iPads and so it's max and all those

1052
01:30:46,660 --> 01:30:51,740
kind of stuff. The point being is that it'll say oh you need to update your password for

1053
01:30:51,740 --> 01:30:58,160
the county exchange program. So I go to it and then automatically

1054
01:30:58,160 --> 01:31:03,760
Mac, Apple, whatever, it, it already just drops it in there and you're off to the

1055
01:31:03,760 --> 01:31:07,120
races you didn't even have to look it up and figure out what it was. So is it

1056
01:31:07,120 --> 01:31:10,740
going to vary from that once you put your password in one time it'll pick it up

1057
01:31:10,740 --> 01:31:13,900
the same way as it did before just drop it in all the other devices or is it

1058
01:31:13,900 --> 01:31:19,120
going to be prohibited to go beyond one or two devices? I'm going to look to Andy

1059
01:31:19,120 --> 01:31:25,660
to help with that answer. I believe that that behavior may depend on the group

1060
01:31:26,280 --> 01:31:32,780
policy that applies to you as an end-user. I don't know that I need to-

1061
01:31:33,580 --> 01:31:37,160
And so basically what you're saying, I guess, you're basically saying the only

1062
01:31:37,160 --> 01:31:40,180
thing you want to change is your password. I'm sorry, could you-

1063
01:31:40,180 --> 01:31:41,780
The only thing that's really going to change is your password.

1064
01:31:43,720 --> 01:31:49,080
No, sir, there will be changes because we have various groups that are in

1065
01:31:49,080 --> 01:31:53,000
place now where it's not applied consistently across the board.

1066
01:31:53,000 --> 01:32:01,040
But you can still use the same applicant same devices that you did in the past, right the same devices. Yeah. Yes, sir. Good. Okay. Yes. Thank you.

1067
01:32:02,200 --> 01:32:09,440
Okay, so the email that you sent me twice now. I think I got it on Friday and again this morning. Did you receive an email asking you to take a training?

1068
01:32:10,960 --> 01:32:16,140
Take a train? No training. Oh training. What you said a train. I'm like what?

1069
01:32:17,600 --> 01:32:34,140
Yeah, I have not done it because I noted on the agenda that this item was on here, and I didn't know if that pertained do I still go because I got to what the 23rd I think do my training until the 30th and we ask that all end users

1070
01:32:34,840 --> 01:32:41,180
complete the security training online. And this one happens to be about passwords.

1071
01:32:42,740 --> 01:32:55,120
I don't mind. Thank you. I probably took eight to ten minutes. I have this junk email thing comes in about every day says you haven't done your training yet, and it's like two. Yeah, I got that one this morning. I just chunk. Are you reporting that it's not job?

1072
01:32:55,540 --> 01:32:56,800
I do. I just say a spam.

1073
01:33:01,620 --> 01:33:07,860
I'm saying we know so we do track who completes the training and who

1074
01:33:07,860 --> 01:33:08,760
I haven't done it.

1075
01:33:08,900 --> 01:33:10,900
So it's not fair.

1076
01:33:10,920 --> 01:33:15,960
No professions necessary but we do require that all end users complete.

1077
01:33:16,320 --> 01:33:19,460
But you're saying that those spam emails I'm getting are from now.

1078
01:33:19,740 --> 01:33:20,780
I'm saying they're not spam.

1079
01:33:23,940 --> 01:33:24,420
Okay.

1080
01:33:25,840 --> 01:33:32,640
All right, so I assume we have to take action on this, and it says approval regarding,

1081
01:33:32,840 --> 01:33:33,380
oh, I'm sorry.

1082
01:33:33,660 --> 01:33:33,800
Yeah.

1083
01:33:34,220 --> 01:33:38,780
First I did the training yesterday, it wasn't that long, but you know, this is so important

1084
01:33:38,780 --> 01:33:44,000
because to your point, people do use things like password 1, 2, 3, 4, and it sounds, I guess,

1085
01:33:44,160 --> 01:33:45,480
everybody knew my password.

1086
01:33:45,820 --> 01:33:51,220
Not to throw water on Commissioner Cook's question, but if someone stores their password

1087
01:33:51,220 --> 01:33:55,720
in browser password manager, and their browser is not secure.

1088
01:33:56,480 --> 01:33:57,100
How does that work?

1089
01:33:57,360 --> 01:33:58,820
We do not recommend that.

1090
01:33:59,220 --> 01:34:01,040
No, I wouldn't recommend that.

1091
01:34:01,800 --> 01:34:04,900
My business, I do not allow my team to do that anymore.

1092
01:34:04,920 --> 01:34:06,340
We actually have a password manager,

1093
01:34:06,540 --> 01:34:09,460
and if we ever looked into a password manager for the county,

1094
01:34:09,560 --> 01:34:11,680
I know that would be expensive on that large scale,

1095
01:34:11,680 --> 01:34:13,760
but it could be something to look into.

1096
01:34:14,200 --> 01:34:15,020
You're absolutely right.

1097
01:34:15,260 --> 01:34:17,380
There are password managers available,

1098
01:34:17,860 --> 01:34:19,980
and it would be at a cost to the county, so.

1099
01:34:19,980 --> 01:34:21,800
and we can certainly investigate that.

1100
01:34:22,200 --> 01:34:24,640
I mean, it's one of the, I would hate for someone

1101
01:34:24,640 --> 01:34:27,320
who has a very secure sounding password to store it

1102
01:34:27,320 --> 01:34:29,260
and an unsecure browser on a personal device

1103
01:34:29,260 --> 01:34:32,300
and logs in using Wi-Fi and an airport.

1104
01:34:33,120 --> 01:34:33,240
Right.

1105
01:34:33,440 --> 01:34:35,660
And the person beside them gets into our server.

1106
01:34:35,940 --> 01:34:36,940
You're absolutely right.

1107
01:34:37,260 --> 01:34:41,060
And I will make a motion to approve the proposed policy.

1108
01:34:41,360 --> 01:34:42,060
I'll second it.

1109
01:34:43,340 --> 01:34:47,380
Williams, Sykes, any other discussion?

1110
01:34:48,300 --> 01:34:50,080
All those in favor, please say aye.

1111
01:34:50,320 --> 01:34:50,600
Aye.

1112
01:34:51,080 --> 01:34:51,520
Any opposed?

1113
01:34:52,300 --> 01:34:52,980
Thank you.

1114
01:34:53,160 --> 01:34:53,500
Thank you.

1115
01:34:53,580 --> 01:34:55,520
While we have heard the podium, I have a question.

1116
01:34:55,660 --> 01:34:59,060
Do we have an A.I. policy for our employees on how to use A.I.?

1117
01:34:59,060 --> 01:35:00,780
We do not have a published A.I. policy.

1118
01:35:00,780 --> 01:35:03,860
That is something that our IT security team will be working on.

1119
01:35:04,040 --> 01:35:04,160
Cool.

1120
01:35:05,060 --> 01:35:06,360
Cool that you're working on it.

1121
01:35:07,640 --> 01:35:08,980
Thank you, Cindy, as always.

1122
01:35:09,680 --> 01:35:09,700
Okay.

1123
01:35:10,900 --> 01:35:12,620
Sheriff's Office, we move to consent.

1124
01:35:12,960 --> 01:35:13,160
All right.

1125
01:35:13,460 --> 01:35:13,860
Utilities.

1126
01:35:15,240 --> 01:35:15,640
Jeff.

1127
01:35:16,780 --> 01:35:19,200
contract for AMI census products.

1128
01:35:26,670 --> 01:35:28,190
He's got a necktown.

1129
01:35:30,790 --> 01:35:31,510
Manitiah.

1130
01:35:34,110 --> 01:35:43,870
Well, we have the new chairman, board of commissioners. I'm here today to request the board of commissioners to approve a contract with

1131
01:35:43,870 --> 01:35:51,030
enterprises, for the amount of $1.498 million purchase census products relating to the

1132
01:35:51,030 --> 01:35:53,190
county's advance metering infrastructure.

1133
01:35:54,390 --> 01:36:00,530
County uses census proprietary advance meter infrastructure systems to remotely collect

1134
01:36:00,530 --> 01:36:07,970
water meter usage data and transmit the information for an integration to the county's utility

1135
01:36:07,970 --> 01:36:08,870
building system.

1136
01:36:08,870 --> 01:36:15,170
The Census AMI platform is the county's established metering infrastructure and requires compatible

1137
01:36:15,170 --> 01:36:19,370
census communication equipment and protocols for remote meter reading.

1138
01:36:21,400 --> 01:36:27,060
Public utilities primarily install census water meters, however certain Neptune meters

1139
01:36:27,940 --> 01:36:30,460
maybe utilize within the system.

1140
01:36:31,160 --> 01:36:37,220
All meters incorporated into the county's AMI system rely on the census interface units

1141
01:36:37,220 --> 01:36:43,940
which are MXUs, communication components associated with the equipment in order to communicate with the existing equipment.

1142
01:36:46,130 --> 01:36:53,750
Board of Commissioners have already approved Ferguson as a sole source provider for census products back on August 18th, 2025.

1143
01:36:54,770 --> 01:37:02,910
Staff requests the Board of Commissioners to approve the contract with Ferguson enterprises in the amount of $1.498 million for

1144
01:37:02,910 --> 01:37:08,330
census products and support insulation for water meters, new utility customers, replacements

1145
01:37:08,330 --> 01:37:14,070
of existing equipment, and a continued operation and expansion of the county's AMI system.

1146
01:37:17,580 --> 01:37:20,540
I'll make the motion to approve, but let's wait until Commissioner Sykes comes back in.

1147
01:37:20,660 --> 01:37:28,320
Mr. Chairman, about 15, 18 years ago, I took two days, I think it was, and went out door-to-door

1148
01:37:28,320 --> 01:37:29,560
with a meter reader.

1149
01:37:30,300 --> 01:37:34,080
And I saw what it was like to pull, I'll be a disconnect to the water lines for it.

1150
01:37:34,080 --> 01:37:38,500
So the thing is, I know what it's like to have the spotters, the copperheads, everything.

1151
01:37:38,600 --> 01:37:43,760
I didn't counter those, but I know what it's like and then have the radio meters and the impellers

1152
01:37:43,760 --> 01:37:49,040
how they over time they wear it down. And so we lose money because we can't gauge it correctly.

1153
01:37:49,580 --> 01:37:53,260
So it's a great cost saving. I know an individual sitting and saying, well, that's a lot of money.

1154
01:37:53,380 --> 01:37:58,220
Well, the thing is, yes, a lot of money, but you really do get a payback because I was trying to count

1155
01:37:58,220 --> 01:38:03,440
how many times that pickup truck went into park. The doors opened and closed. I know it had to be 500 times

1156
01:38:03,440 --> 01:38:10,360
at least that day. So we're waiting for you to get back. Go ahead. I was going to move approval.

1157
01:38:11,340 --> 01:38:19,560
Well, I do have a question. Are these made where you can use all these meters on houses?

1158
01:38:21,520 --> 01:38:27,720
It's all for new construction maintenance. How about fire hydrants? Are they going to be issued

1159
01:38:27,720 --> 01:38:30,880
when a developer needs to use a fire hydrant.

1160
01:38:31,200 --> 01:38:33,200
That is also part of another program,

1161
01:38:33,200 --> 01:38:35,300
but yes, there will be hydrant meters.

1162
01:38:36,660 --> 01:38:37,320
What was that word?

1163
01:38:37,860 --> 01:38:38,920
Hydrant meters.

1164
01:38:39,080 --> 01:38:42,760
Because there's a lot of issues right now

1165
01:38:42,760 --> 01:38:46,180
that I have with water being taken from fire hydrants.

1166
01:38:46,620 --> 01:38:47,620
Couldn't agree with you more.

1167
01:38:48,160 --> 01:38:50,240
And we're not keeping account of it

1168
01:38:50,240 --> 01:38:51,380
and we're not charging them.

1169
01:38:51,820 --> 01:38:54,180
So I just have concerns.

1170
01:38:54,880 --> 01:38:56,800
And if we're gonna spend this much money,

1171
01:38:56,800 --> 01:39:00,480
I want to make sure that we're addressing the issues.

1172
01:39:01,200 --> 01:39:05,260
The ultimate goal is to account for every bit of water that we are producing.

1173
01:39:06,180 --> 01:39:13,120
You're going to have a new policy at your next meeting on the hydrant use.

1174
01:39:14,480 --> 01:39:15,480
I'll second.

1175
01:39:16,280 --> 01:39:16,620
Okay.

1176
01:39:18,500 --> 01:39:21,660
I would like to add something real quick.

1177
01:39:22,160 --> 01:39:25,020
That dollar amount is based off of budget.

1178
01:39:25,020 --> 01:39:39,780
this contract is set up to where it's a per item type contract. They purchase and replenish their inventory based on what they use based on new connections based on meters that need to be replaced.

1179
01:39:40,600 --> 01:39:52,580
That is an amount that we will likely hit between new customers and the replacement meters, but it may be more it may be less depending on what the actual needs are throughout the year.

1180
01:39:52,580 --> 01:39:57,480
So you may be before rushed in six months for a budget amendment for another million and a half no

1181
01:40:00,020 --> 01:40:02,500
That would already be built into the budget

1182
01:40:03,700 --> 01:40:08,640
This this contract should the contract and the budget should get us through the end of the year

1183
01:40:09,280 --> 01:40:11,500
Like he said, there's also another contract

1184
01:40:12,060 --> 01:40:21,320
Core main right for for main for Neptune. Yeah, where they've got a couple of different vendors that can actually provide the meter that will work with the MXU system

1185
01:40:22,060 --> 01:40:27,720
based on product availability, based on what the needs are with what they have on the inventory.

1186
01:40:28,260 --> 01:40:31,100
What they purchase might actually fluctuate throughout the year.

1187
01:40:31,860 --> 01:40:38,140
So that exact amount, though, a reasonable guess on how much meters are actually going to,

1188
01:40:38,300 --> 01:40:39,820
meters and mxUsers are going to have to buy.

1189
01:40:40,280 --> 01:40:42,520
It won't be that exact amount. It will be something.

1190
01:40:42,940 --> 01:40:44,260
It's on determined. Correct.

1191
01:40:44,980 --> 01:40:46,680
And the contract set up that way.

1192
01:40:47,060 --> 01:40:47,440
Thank you.

1193
01:40:47,440 --> 01:40:51,440
All right, so I have a motion. I have a second. Is there any other discussion?

1194
01:40:52,480 --> 01:40:55,780
Close in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed?

1195
01:40:56,880 --> 01:40:58,960
Thank you, Jeff. Thank you all.

1196
01:41:01,450 --> 01:41:02,530
Don't come back

1197
01:41:04,610 --> 01:41:06,890
He said don't come back

1198
01:41:10,150 --> 01:41:14,710
We just don't wear the tie that is yeah, we know the time means money. That is

1199
01:41:14,710 --> 01:41:24,350
All right. Now we go back to what was in consent. The Sheriff's Office and CACP grant application approval.

1200
01:41:27,230 --> 01:41:29,510
Elizabeth, good to see you.

1201
01:41:36,080 --> 01:41:43,000
Good afternoon, Mr. Chairman and Board Commissioners. On this item is to request the Board Commissioners ratify the county managers approval.

1202
01:41:43,560 --> 01:41:47,740
One minute, one minute, sorry. Leigh Ann, can we have the screen for the...

1203
01:41:47,740 --> 01:41:48,340
Yes,

1204
01:41:50,440 --> 01:41:51,680
switch off for this. We lose blood.

1205
01:41:53,820 --> 01:41:56,580
Okay. If I don't have a copy of everything.

1206
01:41:57,100 --> 01:41:59,660
Okay. We're good.

1207
01:42:00,160 --> 01:42:00,400
Okay.

1208
01:42:01,660 --> 01:42:01,860
Okay.

1209
01:42:02,780 --> 01:42:18,820
So this request is for the Board of Commissioners who ratified the County Manager's approval of a grant application with the North Carolina Association of Police for the purchase of a software system to enhance and or replace existing systems of the Sheriff's Office that focus on employee's health.

1210
01:42:18,820 --> 01:42:23,780
training and overall performance. The grant application started, you know, the

1211
01:42:23,780 --> 01:42:28,160
first or second, so late last week, and are on kind of a first-come, first-serve

1212
01:42:28,160 --> 01:42:31,500
basis, hence the asking for the ratification of the county manager's approval.

1213
01:42:32,680 --> 01:42:37,000
There's more information there in the background of NAB, but just to summarize, this

1214
01:42:37,000 --> 01:42:42,180
grant would help us to consolidate a couple of our existing software systems into

1215
01:42:42,180 --> 01:42:45,940
one system that can help kind of pull a bunch of things that are happening in

1216
01:42:45,940 --> 01:42:49,560
different systems into one and therefore hopefully saving the taxpayer

1217
01:42:49,560 --> 01:42:54,140
dollars money in the future and this grant also has no cost share or

1218
01:42:54,140 --> 01:42:59,540
requirement for the county and I'm happy to answer any other questions if

1219
01:42:59,540 --> 01:43:07,640
if you have any and this money that is the money to apply for this grant is

1220
01:43:07,640 --> 01:43:12,220
already in your budget all right there's no cost share or match required so if we

1221
01:43:12,220 --> 01:43:15,140
were to be awarded this grant we wouldn't have any county obligations or any

1222
01:43:15,140 --> 01:43:22,120
additional tax dollars, yes, sir. Okay, would go ahead. Would we be saving any

1223
01:43:22,120 --> 01:43:28,280
tax dollars because this replaces? That is the goal, yes, sir. Depending on the

1224
01:43:28,280 --> 01:43:32,180
timing of the grant period, getting an approved, getting the board to approve the

1225
01:43:32,180 --> 01:43:35,500
award and going through all the contracting and what have you, we'd be hoping to

1226
01:43:35,500 --> 01:43:40,260
either cancel some existing systems this year or whenever we are able to. So if we

1227
01:43:40,260 --> 01:43:43,540
can't save the vast majority of funds this year, we would be able to hopefully

1228
01:43:43,540 --> 01:43:49,220
please start that process to take some systems out of our use, if you will, to have savings

1229
01:43:49,220 --> 01:43:49,900
down the road.

1230
01:43:50,180 --> 01:43:54,680
And this grant would help us to get that replacement system underway while we work to eliminate

1231
01:43:54,680 --> 01:43:56,040
some of those existing contracts.

1232
01:43:56,480 --> 01:43:58,860
You have an off the top of your head.

1233
01:43:59,000 --> 01:44:01,800
You have an approximate figure that would be set.

1234
01:44:01,820 --> 01:44:02,520
What would we replace?

1235
01:44:02,980 --> 01:44:03,300
No, sorry.

1236
01:44:03,440 --> 01:44:03,700
I don't.

1237
01:44:04,140 --> 01:44:08,380
The great thing about this product is that there are additional modules depending on what

1238
01:44:08,380 --> 01:44:10,680
we decide to utilize and not utilize.

1239
01:44:10,680 --> 01:44:16,100
And so depending on what the grant awards us, we can say, hey, we want to have ABC, and

1240
01:44:16,100 --> 01:44:19,680
we'll wait for DE and F, maybe down the road and apply for that at a different grant.

1241
01:44:20,260 --> 01:44:24,180
So it's kind of contingent on the grant and what they decide if they decide to award us.

1242
01:44:24,720 --> 01:44:28,860
And so from there, we'd be able to take a look at our existing systems, say, okay, this

1243
01:44:28,860 --> 01:44:30,320
is going to take over XYZ.

1244
01:44:30,780 --> 01:44:34,000
Let's take that out, when are these renewals do, et cetera, et cetera.

1245
01:44:34,380 --> 01:44:37,720
Make sure, of course, County IT is okay with that method and moving forward.

1246
01:44:37,720 --> 01:44:41,840
we've already sent them some preliminary documents on this software system and they've given

1247
01:44:41,840 --> 01:44:46,720
us the green light to initiate this initial this grant application and then we'd be able to

1248
01:44:46,720 --> 01:44:49,060
there get a final figure for you.

1249
01:44:51,540 --> 01:44:59,620
From the grant request, this is a one-time percent of money.

1250
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:29,500
So that means if you use the system, then you're going to have to, we're going to have to put it in the budget and pay for it in the years in the future. So that means it would be an expense to the county. More apply for additional grants for subsequent years. Yes, ma'am. So that don't mean you're going to get the grant. Correct. Absolutely right. But we will try. But basically it says you have from filling it out, you said it would not meet the requirements. So for future.

1251
01:45:31,160 --> 01:45:39,640
You also said, let's say the grant commitment of funding will the grant

1252
01:45:39,640 --> 01:45:45,440
create a program or require any county commitment for funding after grant

1253
01:45:45,440 --> 01:45:51,180
funding ends and you said yes. So that means we have to continue to pay for it.

1254
01:45:52,020 --> 01:45:58,420
Don't get a future grant, yes ma'am. And that let's see the grant contains

1255
01:45:58,420 --> 01:46:06,180
subcontractors, sub-award and contractual services. So that means you have to purchase

1256
01:46:06,180 --> 01:46:08,280
that software license. Yes, ma'am.

1257
01:46:08,440 --> 01:46:12,160
You're purchasing from essential personnel. Yes, ma'am.

1258
01:46:12,560 --> 01:46:19,940
So with that said, what program are you using now since you've been using a program for

1259
01:46:19,940 --> 01:46:26,360
a good while and how long has this grant been in the making with the local police departments?

1260
01:46:27,220 --> 01:46:30,060
I'm not sure about the question about that Association of Teases Police.

1261
01:46:30,440 --> 01:46:33,760
I'm not familiar with this grant program and so I can't tell you how many years they've

1262
01:46:33,760 --> 01:46:34,060
been around.

1263
01:46:34,060 --> 01:46:38,040
I know that association has been around for some time, but what I can tell you is there

1264
01:46:38,040 --> 01:46:43,060
are a couple of different software systems that we would be able to take away and replace

1265
01:46:43,060 --> 01:46:44,380
with this essential person now.

1266
01:46:44,460 --> 01:46:48,280
Like I mentioned earlier, there are different modules depending on what we are awarded and

1267
01:46:48,280 --> 01:46:52,040
what we're allowed to use, but there's a couple of names of software systems I'm happy

1268
01:46:52,040 --> 01:46:53,020
to share if need be.

1269
01:46:53,800 --> 01:46:56,900
One of those is Guardian Tracking, aka Vector Solutions.

1270
01:46:57,660 --> 01:47:01,840
That's one of the vendors that we're looking at that currently helps manage our early intervention

1271
01:47:01,840 --> 01:47:06,300
and early warning system, which is a requirement by state statute that we have to manage and

1272
01:47:06,300 --> 01:47:09,640
maintain that for our officer wellness and intervention.

1273
01:47:09,960 --> 01:47:15,260
But if you maintain that for your wellness then you wouldn't need that for this program.

1274
01:47:15,640 --> 01:47:20,340
This would be able to take over for that program as well as do additional services that Guardian

1275
01:47:20,340 --> 01:47:22,740
and tracking vector solutions cannot do for us currently.

1276
01:47:23,340 --> 01:47:24,940
So you would get rid of garden.

1277
01:47:25,060 --> 01:47:25,460
Yes ma'am.

1278
01:47:25,540 --> 01:47:26,800
So you said the state required it.

1279
01:47:26,940 --> 01:47:28,760
So the state requires the tracking

1280
01:47:28,760 --> 01:47:30,940
of an early intervention or early warning system.

1281
01:47:31,500 --> 01:47:34,500
And so right now, guardian tracking is doing that for us.

1282
01:47:34,760 --> 01:47:37,160
So how much are we paying for gardening and tracking

1283
01:47:37,160 --> 01:47:38,180
for this track?

1284
01:47:38,200 --> 01:47:40,000
That one program, I don't have the number right here

1285
01:47:40,000 --> 01:47:41,360
in front of me, but I'm happy to pull it up

1286
01:47:41,360 --> 01:47:42,080
and email it to you.

1287
01:47:43,840 --> 01:47:46,260
Well, that won't decide on my vote

1288
01:47:46,260 --> 01:47:47,920
because I don't have the information.

1289
01:47:49,140 --> 01:47:51,980
Also, you won't receive the funds in advance.

1290
01:47:52,600 --> 01:47:55,980
It will be reimbursed after you purchase the software.

1291
01:47:56,320 --> 01:47:57,120
Is that not correct?

1292
01:47:58,600 --> 01:48:02,080
If we are awarded the grant, then what typically would happen and Aaron please correct me if

1293
01:48:02,080 --> 01:48:02,440
I'm wrong.

1294
01:48:02,900 --> 01:48:08,360
But if we're awarded the grant and the board therefore approves that award, then the finance department

1295
01:48:08,360 --> 01:48:13,060
would do a budget amendment to allow for the PO and secure of that product and then be

1296
01:48:13,060 --> 01:48:14,280
reimbursed like we do other grants.

1297
01:48:16,190 --> 01:48:21,550
most most grants are reimbursement based nowadays yeah so the county would do a

1298
01:48:21,550 --> 01:48:24,810
budget amendment to allow for us to proceed in that route and then with the

1299
01:48:24,810 --> 01:48:31,090
assumption or assurance of reimbursement yes ma'am so I know in the past we have

1300
01:48:31,090 --> 01:48:36,530
purchased a lot of software for the service office and so I need a list of what

1301
01:48:36,530 --> 01:48:43,370
you're gonna get rid of before I can approve this and the date starts out

1302
01:48:43,370 --> 01:48:47,070
October the first. So why wasn't this brought to us sooner?

1303
01:48:47,470 --> 01:48:51,990
It just opened in September and we've been waiting on the internal approvals to proceed

1304
01:48:51,990 --> 01:48:56,550
from both county IT and from admin once we found out that the grant was available.

1305
01:48:57,190 --> 01:49:00,730
So we found out the grant was available. We then started doing the research on the potential

1306
01:49:00,730 --> 01:49:07,610
vendors, found some vendor options, took those options then to the application here and to

1307
01:49:07,610 --> 01:49:11,370
county IT to kind of get that ball rolling. So as soon as we heard about it, we got the ball

1308
01:49:11,370 --> 01:49:11,670
rolling.

1309
01:49:11,670 --> 01:49:19,810
So, since you said you made contacts with vendors, what is the police department's shoes?

1310
01:49:20,030 --> 01:49:22,310
Did they use the same vendor?

1311
01:49:23,030 --> 01:49:23,830
I'm not sure.

1312
01:49:24,150 --> 01:49:27,810
There are some other competitor vendors like IA Pro, things like that.

1313
01:49:28,250 --> 01:49:32,090
We looked at that vendor a few years back, but it was like 70 grand, so we said no, thank

1314
01:49:32,090 --> 01:49:32,310
you.

1315
01:49:32,550 --> 01:49:33,450
It was very expensive.

1316
01:49:34,170 --> 01:49:36,510
So, there are a couple of competitors out there.

1317
01:49:36,510 --> 01:49:43,230
And as this early warning and early intervention system is becoming much more commonplace especially because of the state law

1318
01:49:43,230 --> 01:49:47,470
That was passed. There's now a lot more software companies coming out trying to get a bite of that pie

1319
01:49:47,470 --> 01:49:55,470
So we have been looking at ways to continue to improve this process for overall officer wellness and officer tracking

1320
01:49:55,470 --> 01:50:03,270
And we hope that this vendor could help us consolidate some existing systems and provide enhanced services for that ultimate goal so

1321
01:50:03,270 --> 01:50:09,170
essential personnel. Yes, ma'am Fender. Yes, ma'am. Where are they located? They're located in New

1322
01:50:09,170 --> 01:50:13,690
Hinterver County in Wilmington and they are a veteran-owned company and at some of the focus of this

1323
01:50:13,690 --> 01:50:18,350
granting and grantor as well. The North Carolina Association of Chiefs of Police they're trying to

1324
01:50:18,350 --> 01:50:25,330
focus on North Carolina based businesses and businesses like minority-owned women-owned veteran-owned.

1325
01:50:30,200 --> 01:50:35,000
Thank you. Thank you. Yes, sir. Just a couple of questions. First of all, thank you for bringing

1326
01:50:35,000 --> 01:50:39,660
in this and then explaining it. The first year value is approximately 40,000. Would that

1327
01:50:39,660 --> 01:50:42,080
be the estimated recurring value as well, or would it?

1328
01:50:42,600 --> 01:50:47,220
We'd have to look at what the contract says, but I would imagine for at least a CPI type

1329
01:50:47,220 --> 01:50:51,480
of increase, unless we can get them tied in for more than a year or what have you, but that's

1330
01:50:51,480 --> 01:50:55,480
kind of contingent on all the legal stuff and that's a little above my pay grade. So I'll

1331
01:50:55,480 --> 01:50:56,300
leave that to the attorneys.

1332
01:50:57,000 --> 01:50:59,520
I understand leaving things to the attorneys. We leave a lot to them.

1333
01:51:00,060 --> 01:51:01,420
Thank you, Brian. I appreciate you.

1334
01:51:01,420 --> 01:51:03,800
You mentioned that this would replace some other things.

1335
01:51:03,860 --> 01:51:05,460
I mean, you said you didn't have exact figures,

1336
01:51:05,600 --> 01:51:07,600
but do you think that that could offset a decent amount

1337
01:51:07,600 --> 01:51:08,160
of that recovery then?

1338
01:51:08,160 --> 01:51:08,560
Yes, sir.

1339
01:51:08,580 --> 01:51:11,500
That is the goal is to offset, if not help us save money

1340
01:51:11,500 --> 01:51:12,380
in future years.

1341
01:51:12,980 --> 01:51:17,020
But like I said, it's contingent on what we get awarded,

1342
01:51:17,220 --> 01:51:20,380
if we get awarded, and the timing of our existing renewals,

1343
01:51:20,380 --> 01:51:22,100
because they all kind of happened throughout the year.

1344
01:51:22,620 --> 01:51:23,960
And there's a timing element there

1345
01:51:23,960 --> 01:51:26,100
that we're hoping to capitalize on.

1346
01:51:26,640 --> 01:51:29,300
And I guess as you guys opinion, this would do a better job

1347
01:51:29,300 --> 01:51:31,260
of what it does than the one you're currently using

1348
01:51:32,040 --> 01:51:35,480
I don't want to talk ill about existing software systems.

1349
01:51:35,660 --> 01:51:41,720
They've done a great job for us, but some systems have more opportunities that can venture

1350
01:51:41,720 --> 01:51:44,260
out into other aspects of what we're doing with other vendors.

1351
01:51:44,460 --> 01:51:47,400
So we're hoping just to kind of consolidate and make things a little more efficient.

1352
01:51:47,980 --> 01:51:52,080
And I guess final question, what we're voting on today is approval of the grant application.

1353
01:51:52,080 --> 01:51:52,260
Correct.

1354
01:51:52,300 --> 01:51:53,180
It's not for the award.

1355
01:51:53,300 --> 01:51:54,260
We've not been awarded anything.

1356
01:51:54,260 --> 01:51:57,840
It's just to say, hey, county manager, let us go ahead and hit send.

1357
01:51:58,060 --> 01:51:58,800
We hit send.

1358
01:51:58,800 --> 01:52:02,820
And if we get it, there's no county match and we hope to, you know, clean up some of

1359
01:52:02,820 --> 01:52:04,100
these software programs and consolidate.

1360
01:52:04,480 --> 01:52:10,100
But you then have to, you still have to buy future years and it could cost more.

1361
01:52:10,820 --> 01:52:14,680
Yes, ma'am. And it would hopefully replace existing funds that are already allocated for other software

1362
01:52:14,680 --> 01:52:17,860
systems and maybe even save money in future years. So that's what we're hopeful for.

1363
01:52:17,940 --> 01:52:20,420
If you get the grant, wouldn't it come back before this board at that point anyway?

1364
01:52:20,840 --> 01:52:21,080
I'm sorry.

1365
01:52:21,340 --> 01:52:25,440
If you were awarded the grant, would it come back before this board at that point?

1366
01:52:25,440 --> 01:52:34,340
Yes, sir. It would come back to you to approve the award and then allow the said budget amendment to be able to get that process going with all the contracts and POs and all that one stuff.

1367
01:52:34,700 --> 01:52:37,420
I'll move approval of the grant application. Second.

1368
01:52:38,600 --> 01:52:39,480
Williams Cook.

1369
01:52:39,980 --> 01:52:46,280
I just want to say that I can approve it since I don't know how much savings we're going to have.

1370
01:52:46,580 --> 01:52:49,600
I don't know what the cost would be down the road from this company.

1371
01:52:50,220 --> 01:52:54,800
it would have been nice to have something from essential personnel to know their

1372
01:52:54,800 --> 01:53:01,220
current cost of the thing. You know, are we adding any money to it? I don't have

1373
01:53:01,220 --> 01:53:05,100
anything from them to show the contract with essential personnel.

1374
01:53:07,300 --> 01:53:08,020
Sure if you

1375
01:53:08,020 --> 01:53:12,180
want to do something. I would just like to add that you know, if 300 came out to do

1376
01:53:12,180 --> 01:53:15,460
two things, number one, get bad apples out of law enforcement number, people ones

1377
01:53:15,460 --> 01:53:19,420
that are trying to do a good job that may mess up. So this system will allow us

1378
01:53:19,420 --> 01:53:23,820
better than what we have now to catch those ones that are kind of falling off track but we need

1379
01:53:23,820 --> 01:53:28,020
to save. And then also help us get the bad apples. That's the whole point of Senate Bill 300

1380
01:53:28,020 --> 01:53:34,240
so we can track this stuff within our agency. And, you know, our goal is to, yes, get rid of some

1381
01:53:34,240 --> 01:53:40,280
programs. This is a better program. We feel, and it will help us do that. So in the long run,

1382
01:53:41,420 --> 01:53:45,520
we obviously can't say if it's going to be going to be swapping the same amount of money.

1383
01:53:45,520 --> 01:53:53,300
We hope it is, but if not, we're going to say money in the long room because we're keeping good people in retention in the agency and getting the bad ones out.

1384
01:53:53,800 --> 01:53:54,940
So I think that's money was spent.

1385
01:53:55,760 --> 01:53:56,480
Thank you.

1386
01:53:59,080 --> 01:54:05,140
I look at this as two different pieces.

1387
01:54:05,600 --> 01:54:07,160
This is an application.

1388
01:54:07,160 --> 01:54:15,840
and so, as Commissioner Williams mentioned, you will have to come back before us to get approval.

1389
01:54:16,440 --> 01:54:23,180
I would think that whenever you came back before some of the questions, some of them have already been answered.

1390
01:54:23,940 --> 01:54:36,180
Consolidating systems, no cost to the county and no county share, but the ultimate goal I think is to have some type of cost savings.

1391
01:54:36,180 --> 01:54:57,420
And it may be meaningful for the department to, you know, if it promotes recruitment of good officers, I think that that's could be a plus two, but because this is just the application, I don't see a problem when moving forward with that knowing that

1392
01:54:57,420 --> 01:55:05,820
that a full report whenever the request comes forward to approve.

1393
01:55:06,480 --> 01:55:12,140
We would, most of the questions that I think Commissioner Sykes was indicating would

1394
01:55:12,140 --> 01:55:13,640
probably be in that package.

1395
01:55:14,400 --> 01:55:19,860
So I would, I don't see a problem moving forward with the application itself, but this particular

1396
01:55:19,860 --> 01:55:20,160
time.

1397
01:55:20,740 --> 01:55:21,320
A little bit?

1398
01:55:21,580 --> 01:55:21,820
Yes, sir.

1399
01:55:21,960 --> 01:55:24,860
You have a time frame on when you think you might hear back from?

1400
01:55:25,220 --> 01:55:26,560
That's the million dollar question, isn't it?

1401
01:55:29,020 --> 01:55:34,760
They said they're on a first come first serve basis, so we're hoping that they're eager

1402
01:55:34,760 --> 01:55:38,500
and they're hungry to get this underway, and since they didn't even give us a deadline

1403
01:55:38,500 --> 01:55:42,120
to submit, they've said here it's open, go ahead and start going now, so we're hoping

1404
01:55:42,120 --> 01:55:45,280
we'll hear back soon, if they're first come first serve, if they like an application,

1405
01:55:45,840 --> 01:55:48,660
we're hoping they'll say yes, we're going to go ahead and fund this, you can proceed

1406
01:55:48,660 --> 01:55:53,940
and send their letters that we really kind of at their back and call and hit and refresh

1407
01:55:53,940 --> 01:55:54,900
on the email inbox.

1408
01:55:54,900 --> 01:56:00,420
So thank you. Any other questions? Well, I'd like to say that I have to agree with

1409
01:56:00,420 --> 01:56:06,380
Commissioner Thompson that the call I mean, as long as you put the cost savings in there and give us

1410
01:56:06,380 --> 01:56:14,980
more information if you do get the grant, then I would reconsider yes or no. But so I don't mind

1411
01:56:14,980 --> 01:56:23,240
voting for the grant, but to move forward, but it doesn't mean until I see the cost savings and stuff,

1412
01:56:23,240 --> 01:56:26,000
I can vote for it if it's a received

1413
01:56:26,840 --> 01:56:33,180
Okay, I have a motion. I have a second all those in favor. Please say aye. Hi any opposed

1414
01:56:33,720 --> 01:56:39,300
Five on thank you Elizabeth. Thank you for your time. I'll see you Friday store. Oh, thank you

1415
01:56:42,460 --> 01:56:45,220
All right moving on we have added

1416
01:56:46,720 --> 01:56:49,200
Clock cameras mission of psyches

1417
01:56:50,820 --> 01:56:51,860
Okay, well

1418
01:56:53,060 --> 01:56:54,920
As you know, I'm not sure

1419
01:56:55,800 --> 01:57:04,700
I sent the share of email back in August of 22, a request and information about flight

1420
01:57:04,700 --> 01:57:05,180
cameras.

1421
01:57:06,040 --> 01:57:09,420
I get to receive any information back.

1422
01:57:10,720 --> 01:57:17,960
I need to know a complete list of existing flight cameras, any plan or proposed additional,

1423
01:57:18,340 --> 01:57:25,000
the cost to the county, including installation, annual fees, maintenance and any other associated

1424
01:57:25,000 --> 01:57:30,180
that expenses, any agreements, contracts or MOUs currently in place with

1425
01:57:30,180 --> 01:57:37,520
flock or related vendors. Along with the request, I wanted to express my

1426
01:57:37,520 --> 01:57:43,060
concerns, I have regarding the use of flock cameras in our county. Now,

1427
01:57:43,280 --> 01:57:48,620
according to New Hanover County today, they have taken a mall out of New

1428
01:57:48,620 --> 01:57:55,160
and over county will be taken out. The other thing right for beach had a police

1429
01:57:55,160 --> 01:58:02,480
one that was fired today because of flight cameras. We've had Florida, the

1430
01:58:02,480 --> 01:58:07,540
state of Florida, they have to take them out of the whole state. There is a

1431
01:58:07,540 --> 01:58:13,400
continuous battle with flight. Yeah, uh-huh. Steve, didn't you say that? That

1432
01:58:13,400 --> 01:58:14,620
Florida had

1433
01:58:17,500 --> 01:58:29,720
well my thing is I have a major concern because of the fourth amendment and

1434
01:58:29,720 --> 01:58:35,140
if you read the Constitution and I think everybody reads the Constitution and we're supposed

1435
01:58:35,140 --> 01:58:40,660
to abide by the Constitution is the fourth amendment do we have any fault cameras I didn't

1436
01:58:40,660 --> 01:58:42,160
We did. I've seen on private property.

1437
01:58:42,280 --> 01:58:43,080
We did. We did.

1438
01:58:43,300 --> 01:58:43,400
Okay.

1439
01:58:44,320 --> 01:58:44,620
Okay.

1440
01:58:44,960 --> 01:58:47,980
Okay. You have business owners that have and you have

1441
01:58:47,980 --> 01:58:50,740
systems that have and you have to know that we also have.

1442
01:58:50,860 --> 01:58:51,700
You have. Okay.

1443
01:58:52,060 --> 01:58:54,280
Yes, I disagree. I don't think it's a violation of fourth

1444
01:58:54,280 --> 01:58:54,500
of memory.

1445
01:58:55,240 --> 01:58:59,100
The board approved a contract with flock January 16th of 2024.

1446
01:58:59,680 --> 01:59:04,120
It's a two year term, it renewed in January of this year.

1447
01:59:04,620 --> 01:59:05,780
I'm not really understanding how can we

1448
01:59:05,780 --> 01:59:06,680
have violation of fourth of memory.

1449
01:59:06,960 --> 01:59:09,460
If I can walk on the sidewalk and videotape and take pictures

1450
01:59:09,460 --> 01:59:16,520
of people, but yeah, you can't take a picture, a picture image in that time on a public road.

1451
01:59:17,280 --> 01:59:19,180
So I'm not really sure how it violates the constitution.

1452
01:59:19,320 --> 01:59:27,660
There's a difference in a picture and a storage of a continuation of what you're taking.

1453
01:59:28,780 --> 01:59:30,480
When you find my notes.

1454
01:59:31,900 --> 01:59:38,500
As in this point in time, I can tell you that DC is working on a regulation too,

1455
01:59:38,500 --> 01:59:41,540
that on-flight cameras. Just to let you know.

1456
01:59:43,580 --> 01:59:49,140
First, the cost of flight cameras is very

1457
01:59:49,140 --> 01:59:54,260
high. I have not been given any amount of money. Nobody has told me how much they cost

1458
01:59:54,260 --> 01:59:59,480
yet. They cost the county to about $22,000, $24,000 and just so you're aware, all that stuff

1459
01:59:59,480 --> 01:59:59,700
office.

1460
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:29,400
In the public, you can go on on. I would like to email from you and you can also see the contract as well. I would like to email from you with all that data that I requested. That's what I've requested. I'm a commissioner. You're part of the county and I requested the information. I would appreciate that you get it to me. I would find out why you don't have it, but it's all online. The public can see it. I'm not going to I'm not going to go online for it. I said I wanted it from you.

1461
02:00:29,400 --> 02:00:30,500
and an email.

1462
02:00:31,080 --> 02:00:32,880
No disrespect, man, but I don't work for you.

1463
02:00:32,880 --> 02:00:34,200
I work for the citizens of Brussels County.

1464
02:00:34,360 --> 02:00:35,660
I want to make that very clear right now.

1465
02:00:36,940 --> 02:00:40,360
Well, I can tell you that we do set your budget.

1466
02:00:40,700 --> 02:00:42,140
And that is part of our job.

1467
02:00:42,180 --> 02:00:42,760
And I appreciate anything that you have.

1468
02:00:42,760 --> 02:00:46,420
And we can amend, we can amend your budget at any time.

1469
02:00:46,520 --> 02:00:47,220
You're absolutely right.

1470
02:00:47,520 --> 02:00:52,340
You can stand there and yes, you are the power of the county to share for the county.

1471
02:00:52,720 --> 02:00:58,760
But I also have a right as a commissioner to do my job as an elected official of this county.

1472
02:00:58,760 --> 02:01:02,880
Now, with that said, I disagree with the flight cameras.

1473
02:01:03,240 --> 02:01:06,380
The privacy, the tradeoff is enormous.

1474
02:01:06,960 --> 02:01:09,660
How many deputies are abusing the system?

1475
02:01:10,320 --> 02:01:10,780
I don't know.

1476
02:01:10,920 --> 02:01:14,380
We've had one that we caught with our own audit and he is no longer working on it.

1477
02:01:14,400 --> 02:01:15,840
We don't even want me to go there.

1478
02:01:16,380 --> 02:01:17,340
I'm just saying that.

1479
02:01:18,180 --> 02:01:20,000
Data sharing is a hidden risk.

1480
02:01:20,860 --> 02:01:26,040
The data sharing, when you'll collect the flight camera information, it's anybody can

1481
02:01:26,040 --> 02:01:28,860
and look it up, anybody can use it.

1482
02:01:29,360 --> 02:01:30,800
Anybody or law enforcement?

1483
02:01:30,880 --> 02:01:33,560
Law enforcement, I'm across the United States,

1484
02:01:33,680 --> 02:01:35,660
so anybody can follow anybody.

1485
02:01:35,720 --> 02:01:36,380
That's not true.

1486
02:01:37,300 --> 02:01:38,420
Only if there's an agreement.

1487
02:01:41,120 --> 02:01:45,300
That's why I asked you about all the MOUs

1488
02:01:45,300 --> 02:01:48,360
and all the other stuff that has not been provided.

1489
02:01:48,860 --> 02:01:50,480
So how am I supposed to know this

1490
02:01:50,480 --> 02:01:52,300
if I'm not provided the information?

1491
02:01:52,660 --> 02:01:55,020
I will get you the information that you asked for.

1492
02:01:55,020 --> 02:01:59,380
The system is fundable, it can be misuse.

1493
02:02:00,420 --> 02:02:03,820
Flight cameras do not address most crimes.

1494
02:02:05,240 --> 02:02:10,780
The majority of our crimes in our county is not vehicle-based.

1495
02:02:11,580 --> 02:02:19,740
It's domestic, incidents, drug offenses, assault, fraud, juvenile issues and crime.

1496
02:02:19,740 --> 02:02:23,680
We expect it to help with all those if the suspect is any vehicle leaving a scene.

1497
02:02:24,340 --> 02:02:29,760
We have several success stories that I can e-mail you guys where we found missing people,

1498
02:02:30,000 --> 02:02:31,040
Alzheimer's pages.

1499
02:02:31,580 --> 02:02:32,800
I mean, we have used this.

1500
02:02:33,660 --> 02:02:34,000
I-

1501
02:02:34,000 --> 02:02:38,700
You can put it on the interstate, but as far as it being in the county, on red, no.

1502
02:02:39,740 --> 02:02:41,860
I'm just saying, not me personally.

1503
02:02:42,000 --> 02:02:47,680
I want to be clear, our current cameras are on major state roads in and out of the county

1504
02:02:47,680 --> 02:02:48,860
near the county lines.

1505
02:02:49,600 --> 02:02:52,600
I don't have them on secondary roads throughout the county, no.

1506
02:02:53,800 --> 02:02:55,320
I don't have a list.

1507
02:02:56,300 --> 02:02:59,100
Have you provided me a list of your locations?

1508
02:02:59,700 --> 02:02:59,820
No.

1509
02:03:00,260 --> 02:03:00,420
Okay.

1510
02:03:01,160 --> 02:03:03,400
So I'm going to read the 4th amendment to you.

1511
02:03:03,780 --> 02:03:09,920
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers and effects against

1512
02:03:09,920 --> 02:03:16,860
unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be violated and no warrant shall be issued,

1513
02:03:16,860 --> 02:03:24,800
but upon probable calls supported by oath and affirmation and particularly

1514
02:03:24,800 --> 02:03:29,880
describing the place to be searched. The persons are things to be seized.

1515
02:03:30,540 --> 02:03:35,760
Is taking a picture, a search? Well, if you can research it any time you

1516
02:03:35,760 --> 02:03:41,040
want to. For law enforcement purposes. Okay, so you have a case for every time it's

1517
02:03:41,040 --> 02:03:46,520
been searched. There's a reason. You have a problem. You have to list a reason. You have a

1518
02:03:46,520 --> 02:03:52,200
A probable cause written down and filed that you own every search that you've done on

1519
02:03:52,200 --> 02:03:52,460
the floor.

1520
02:03:52,480 --> 02:03:54,240
It's used for law enforcement investigation.

1521
02:03:55,560 --> 02:03:58,940
That it has to have a probable cause.

1522
02:04:01,400 --> 02:04:04,260
There should be a record of every use of the flood.

1523
02:04:04,460 --> 02:04:07,160
As of right now, no court is deemed a violation.

1524
02:04:07,720 --> 02:04:11,620
Well, the U.S. is working on it right now.

1525
02:04:12,120 --> 02:04:16,120
And I took an oath to abide by the Constitution, which I will do.

1526
02:04:17,140 --> 02:04:24,020
It's not a probable cause, it's not a probable cause if you just want to look up a

1527
02:04:24,020 --> 02:04:29,980
license tag number. Now let me say if somebody's missing you have a probable cause

1528
02:04:29,980 --> 02:04:34,400
because it's you want to follow that vehicle that that person took off from their

1529
02:04:34,400 --> 02:04:38,080
home and they have to let's be clear we're not following vehicles. It takes a

1530
02:04:38,080 --> 02:04:43,540
picture in one point of time there is nothing else. There is no there's no

1531
02:04:43,540 --> 02:04:47,400
No tracking, there's no GPS, there's no facial recognition, there's none of that.

1532
02:04:47,720 --> 02:04:51,640
It is a point in time that somebody passed a location and then that is it.

1533
02:04:52,200 --> 02:04:54,220
But how many locations is it passed?

1534
02:04:54,260 --> 02:04:55,360
It dumps every 30 days.

1535
02:04:55,840 --> 02:04:57,840
How many locations is it passing?

1536
02:04:58,500 --> 02:05:04,300
And you're saying 30 days, so you deleted everything that was on there before up to the

1537
02:05:04,300 --> 02:05:05,340
30 days, correct?

1538
02:05:05,980 --> 02:05:08,080
After 30 days, it dumps.

1539
02:05:08,260 --> 02:05:10,060
Now it does, but it didn't before.

1540
02:05:10,860 --> 02:05:12,720
When did the 30 days start?

1541
02:05:12,720 --> 02:05:19,130
from the time from the time that the board initiated and signed the contract

1542
02:05:19,130 --> 02:05:20,590
which everybody voted for.

1543
02:05:23,220 --> 02:05:24,720
So it's always been 30 days.

1544
02:05:30,000 --> 02:05:30,880
I'm just very passionate

1545
02:05:30,880 --> 02:05:34,740
because I've seen what it does. Sure. And I get that you guys don't have that information.

1546
02:05:35,140 --> 02:05:39,400
If you want the success stories, I'll get them to you. I'll get you the information that you won't miss out on.

1547
02:05:39,420 --> 02:05:44,440
I want the information because I don't support the flight cameras and I am against them.

1548
02:05:44,440 --> 02:05:51,280
and I think it's the public trust matters and, you know, we all want safe

1549
02:05:51,280 --> 02:05:57,400
communities but safe. I understand that there is a group of people out there

1550
02:05:57,400 --> 02:06:00,820
that is not for flock and that's fine. There's a lot of people. Like it's no

1551
02:06:00,820 --> 02:06:05,920
more invasive than city cameras. Cameras that's your Walmart camera, your cell phone

1552
02:06:05,920 --> 02:06:10,280
tracks you and listens to you. This is taking a picture in a moment of time. That's

1553
02:06:10,280 --> 02:06:15,460
this is the most basic thing that we have is our cell phones and every other

1554
02:06:15,460 --> 02:06:21,200
camera that ring doorbell cameras the camera at like I said it loads Walmart

1555
02:06:21,200 --> 02:06:25,680
Home Depot you cannot go anywhere in Brunswick County and you're not on camera

1556
02:06:25,680 --> 02:06:30,640
I have cameras around my house now mind on I'm not right next to the road but we

1557
02:06:30,640 --> 02:06:35,260
use ring doorbell cameras to solve investigations because they catch

1558
02:06:35,260 --> 02:06:39,740
stuff on the roadway now I think every sheriff in North Carolina every sheriff

1559
02:06:39,740 --> 02:06:44,780
across the United States is upset that we've had misuse and I understand your

1560
02:06:44,780 --> 02:06:50,320
concerns about the misuse but the first time that you have your your grandmother

1561
02:06:50,320 --> 02:06:54,540
or your two-year-old walk away and we could have had them safe because of a

1562
02:06:54,540 --> 02:07:00,740
flock camera we have instituted audits we audit this thing every single month

1563
02:07:00,740 --> 02:07:04,280
I'm gonna do whatever I can to keep these cameras because I see the

1564
02:07:04,280 --> 02:07:08,960
value. But again, there is some, I mean, we have to work on the ones that are

1565
02:07:08,960 --> 02:07:12,900
you. I'll bring back more stuff, but I won't bring back more stuff until you

1566
02:07:12,900 --> 02:07:18,820
provide me the information. Just share my mass. I don't see that the fourth

1567
02:07:18,820 --> 02:07:23,840
amendment is applicable here because it isn't certain seizure. Not only that, I

1568
02:07:23,840 --> 02:07:30,080
had a briefing from Motorola when the tag readers came out for a day.

1569
02:07:32,900 --> 02:07:33,100
I

1570
02:07:33,100 --> 02:07:38,300
been in the cars when we were trying to go after somebody I never got sworn but in the 1970s I

1571
02:07:38,300 --> 02:07:44,220
almost spent every night riding with the police at night and we had a lot of drugs in our

1572
02:07:44,220 --> 02:07:49,320
county back then and you probably know about that but anyway I've helped law enforcement I've

1573
02:07:49,320 --> 02:07:53,360
shot pictures I've helped with drug investigations and done that and they're at sworn but I did ride

1574
02:07:53,360 --> 02:07:57,660
with them a lot and the thing about is no one when you had an individual that came into your jurisdiction

1575
02:07:57,660 --> 02:08:02,640
that had a warrant. That was a tremendous asset. My understanding was that the motor

1576
02:08:02,640 --> 02:08:06,080
roll, I don't know about flock, but motor roll would trigger a flag and let you

1577
02:08:06,080 --> 02:08:10,900
know that that car came through with a tag with a warrant on it. And when you

1578
02:08:10,900 --> 02:08:14,440
did that, you knew, okay, I've got this individual's in my jurisdiction. We have

1579
02:08:14,440 --> 02:08:18,580
a very low crime rate. And I do know the value of this thing. People are

1580
02:08:18,580 --> 02:08:21,940
concerned and they sit there and they think it's like big brother, but the

1581
02:08:21,940 --> 02:08:25,160
reality is no different than what you just stated with respect to your phone

1582
02:08:25,160 --> 02:08:30,780
Or anything else that you find it was hardware or anything else like that point being is we're trying to determine who the bad guys

1583
02:08:30,780 --> 02:08:37,280
Are and get them off the road. That's all it really boils down to we have got to get the handle across the United States with the missus

1584
02:08:37,280 --> 02:08:38,820
I will agree 100%

1585
02:08:39,540 --> 02:08:42,440
We see eye on eye on that. I don't agree with the fourth amendment

1586
02:08:42,880 --> 02:08:48,360
Well, I don't also I don't want this county to have more crime because people are gonna know they can get away on the vehicle

1587
02:08:48,360 --> 02:08:54,120
That's exactly anytime you have something that can be searched and you can follow a person

1588
02:08:54,680 --> 02:09:00,020
through an area or a county. If you have 21 of these flocked cambers, then for-

1589
02:09:00,020 --> 02:09:06,080
I was 16. So when they go from one place to the other, okay, and then you look up

1590
02:09:06,080 --> 02:09:10,120
something without probable calls, you're going against the fourth and the-

1591
02:09:10,120 --> 02:09:12,760
The only thing that is going to tell me is if they're going out of the county,

1592
02:09:12,840 --> 02:09:17,200
because it's at the county, the entrances and exits to the county, that's all I'm

1593
02:09:17,200 --> 02:09:20,020
going to know. If I'm not going to know where they went inside the county. If the

1594
02:09:20,020 --> 02:09:26,600
system for not until you give me the location. I'm telling you that if it's

1595
02:09:26,600 --> 02:09:31,100
telling you if the system flags a car that has a warrant on it, is that not

1596
02:09:31,100 --> 02:09:39,580
probable cause? That's what I said. If he has probable cause all the time,

1597
02:09:39,680 --> 02:09:45,620
because if we got we got deputies, we got this message that we are fired continuously.

1598
02:09:45,620 --> 02:09:48,560
Why put it in front of them to abuse?

1599
02:09:48,880 --> 02:09:49,500
We had one.

1600
02:09:50,000 --> 02:09:50,200
Less than one.

1601
02:09:50,200 --> 02:09:51,140
You had more than one.

1602
02:09:51,320 --> 02:09:52,500
I'm not even going to go there.

1603
02:09:53,160 --> 02:09:53,880
All right.

1604
02:09:54,020 --> 02:09:54,580
All right.

1605
02:09:55,560 --> 02:09:57,880
Before emotions get any more heated,

1606
02:09:58,620 --> 02:10:01,380
I want you to say we move on and we will revisit this

1607
02:10:01,380 --> 02:10:03,520
when you can supply the information.

1608
02:10:03,840 --> 02:10:04,240
Thank you.

1609
02:10:08,240 --> 02:10:08,860
All right.

1610
02:10:11,360 --> 02:10:12,220
Moving on.

1611
02:10:12,360 --> 02:10:13,040
Board appointments.

1612
02:10:15,540 --> 02:10:16,980
Oceanale Beach Planning Board.

1613
02:10:17,380 --> 02:10:18,220
Board of Adjustment.

1614
02:10:18,220 --> 02:10:19,460
we have appointments.

1615
02:10:22,420 --> 02:10:24,880
Darryl and did you want to say anything?

1616
02:10:25,160 --> 02:10:34,280
Just the clerk for the Oceano beach sent these applications in with their letters of support

1617
02:10:34,280 --> 02:10:34,760
to prove this.

1618
02:10:35,320 --> 02:10:43,640
I'll go ahead and make a motion. Williamson Miller and Noel would be appointed to the respected

1619
02:10:43,640 --> 02:10:48,100
positions that's on the agenda.

1620
02:10:48,240 --> 02:10:48,720
I'll second.

1621
02:10:48,980 --> 02:10:53,080
I'll second and say that Frank Williamson has the second coolest name I've ever heard.

1622
02:10:54,860 --> 02:10:57,020
So I have a motion and I have a second.

1623
02:10:57,420 --> 02:10:59,420
All those in favor, please say aye.

1624
02:10:59,640 --> 02:10:59,880
Aye.

1625
02:11:00,540 --> 02:11:00,920
Any opposed?

1626
02:11:02,040 --> 02:11:02,340
Okay.

1627
02:11:02,600 --> 02:11:03,160
Moving on.

1628
02:11:03,320 --> 02:11:04,000
Clerk, they're board.

1629
02:11:04,760 --> 02:11:05,540
Board appointment.

1630
02:11:06,120 --> 02:11:06,640
JCPC.

1631
02:11:07,860 --> 02:11:08,560
Yes, sir.

1632
02:11:08,600 --> 02:11:10,880
I was notified that they had one member that stepped away.

1633
02:11:10,880 --> 02:11:14,240
So I have supplied you all with the applications that I have on board.

1634
02:11:14,740 --> 02:11:20,640
Mr. Cook, does somebody have I do okay and I I have reviewed all the applicants.

1635
02:11:20,640 --> 02:11:26,260
We had quite a few good ones, a lot of good ones and that is not dismissed anybody there.

1636
02:11:26,560 --> 02:11:28,940
But there was one that was quite unique.

1637
02:11:29,360 --> 02:11:33,980
Dr. Tiffany Rogers, she's the professor of criminology for UNC Wilmington.

1638
02:11:34,120 --> 02:11:35,960
She has lived in the area for four years.

1639
02:11:35,960 --> 02:11:43,320
She is a professor of criminology and also the career intern coordinator in the criminology department, UNC Wilmington

1640
02:11:43,320 --> 02:11:47,600
She's interested in behavior modification and I that she taught in the middle school level

1641
02:11:47,600 --> 02:11:52,040
While in grad school. She's been guard in I'd lie to them in Brunswick County

1642
02:11:52,040 --> 02:11:57,360
And she's also a graduate of the New Hanover County citizens academy and that being said

1643
02:11:57,360 --> 02:12:01,620
I think that she is a stellar candidate. I've actually spoken with her

1644
02:12:01,620 --> 02:12:08,240
I think she would be outstanding for JCP say so I'd like to bring forth her name for consideration that's a motion. Yes, sir.

1645
02:12:08,600 --> 02:12:17,940
Second. Cook Thompson any discussion all those in favor. Please say aye. Aye. Any opposed. Thank you.

1646
02:12:18,700 --> 02:12:23,980
All right. The last one is I received notification from the lower Kate Fairwater and sewer authority that Mr. Sue was

1647
02:12:24,580 --> 02:12:25,240
stepping down

1648
02:12:25,860 --> 02:12:26,560
October 1.

1649
02:12:27,460 --> 02:12:31,180
So the applications have been sent and are attached permission to Williams.

1650
02:12:31,180 --> 02:12:34,780
I'll make a motion that we appoint Donald Dickson effective October 1st.

1651
02:12:34,780 --> 02:12:35,180
That's.

1652
02:12:37,300 --> 02:12:38,320
We both set.

1653
02:12:38,320 --> 02:12:38,820
That's OK.

1654
02:12:39,140 --> 02:12:39,440
Come on.

1655
02:12:39,620 --> 02:12:40,720
I think Bill did.

1656
02:12:41,620 --> 02:12:41,820
All right.

1657
02:12:41,940 --> 02:12:42,620
So I have a motion.

1658
02:12:42,800 --> 02:12:44,140
I have a handful of seconds.

1659
02:12:45,080 --> 02:12:46,160
All those in favor?

1660
02:12:46,300 --> 02:12:46,980
Please say aye.

1661
02:12:47,160 --> 02:12:47,740
All right.

1662
02:12:47,900 --> 02:12:51,860
Mr. Chairman, I'd like to also say we appreciate Mr. Sue's service.

1663
02:12:52,020 --> 02:12:53,740
He's done it so many different ways.

1664
02:12:54,000 --> 02:12:55,140
He's served on the Board of Education.

1665
02:12:55,140 --> 02:12:58,680
He certainly served on our board as well for a tremendously long time.

1666
02:12:58,680 --> 02:12:59,400
Most of his career.

1667
02:12:59,400 --> 02:13:03,280
So that being said, we really appreciate our hats off to his service to this county.

1668
02:13:03,520 --> 02:13:03,920
Absolutely.

1669
02:13:04,280 --> 02:13:08,100
And if I could add a word there, if y'all could keep him in your prayers, he's dealing with some health issues.

1670
02:13:08,320 --> 02:13:11,460
These are part of the reason he's stepping away.

1671
02:13:13,300 --> 02:13:14,860
Okay, thank you everybody.

1672
02:13:15,360 --> 02:13:20,240
All right, any other business before the board? Mr. Chairman, I just want to make a comment.

1673
02:13:21,280 --> 02:13:25,880
The 30th Armored Brigade right now has moved up and they are very close to the action.

1674
02:13:25,880 --> 02:13:32,500
they are getting shield. Just the other day there was 6,000 drones and missiles shot at Allied

1675
02:13:32,500 --> 02:13:38,920
forces but what you may hear is only 1,500 were intercepted. The reality is vast majority

1676
02:13:38,920 --> 02:13:44,360
of the other ones went into empty areas where they just made a hole in the ground. So they weren't

1677
02:13:44,360 --> 02:13:48,080
targeted. So they're in good hands but keep them in your prayers sir.

1678
02:13:52,520 --> 02:13:58,960
I have something as well, Mr. Chairman, if I may, why don't we keep your son in Allen

1679
02:13:58,960 --> 02:13:59,220
Prince?

1680
02:14:00,420 --> 02:14:03,540
I know he's on the front line, ma'am.

1681
02:14:05,240 --> 02:14:09,780
I have one if I may, obviously with the fire that we had recently, there was a lot of,

1682
02:14:09,780 --> 02:14:14,000
I think, communication, or confusion regarding communication, and what I learned is that

1683
02:14:14,000 --> 02:14:15,600
we were not the lead communicator on that.

1684
02:14:15,600 --> 02:14:20,040
I believe it was forestry in the sheriff's office and I think that that's a little unique

1685
02:14:20,040 --> 02:14:24,040
situation usually when I think forestry I think something out in the forest not in an area with

1686
02:14:24,040 --> 02:14:29,080
that many homes. So I would request that we look into and I know you've already talked with forestry

1687
02:14:29,080 --> 02:14:34,480
once but how we can develop a better communication protocol for events where they are the lead responder

1688
02:14:34,480 --> 02:14:39,500
not us because our citizens don't understand how all that works and they come to us expecting the

1689
02:14:39,500 --> 02:14:43,320
information and I know I think you were beating your head against the wall trying to get information

1690
02:14:43,320 --> 02:14:47,800
sometimes what I gathered so we could be proactive on talking with them before we have another

1691
02:14:47,800 --> 02:14:54,800
incidence if we can develop a better protocol. Sir, we had a discussion in our after-action

1692
02:14:54,800 --> 02:14:59,420
meeting about communication and leadership in those events.

1693
02:15:00,660 --> 02:15:30,480
It's hard for the manager to become a, or the mechanic to become a general manager. So, you know, you just gotta. I kind of gathered communication was not at the top of their priority list, but we had people asking us, and you know, it's kind of hard to put out information they haven't given us. You know, whenever they bring in their team, their, their huge conglomerate team, they do have a communications component in that, and they will set that up for

1694
02:15:30,480 --> 02:15:36,180
days and weeks, but you're not going to see that in the first four or five days.

1695
02:15:36,440 --> 02:15:39,100
No, it's not a rapid response communication either.

1696
02:15:41,980 --> 02:15:42,780
Anything else?

1697
02:15:43,520 --> 02:15:46,360
Mr. Attorney, take us into closed session, please.

1698
02:15:46,920 --> 02:15:47,400
Yes, sir.

1699
02:15:47,520 --> 02:15:48,120
Thank you very much.

1700
02:15:48,160 --> 02:15:53,560
Request the board in a closed session for someone who didn't see GS-143-318-11-A1-3 is outlined

1701
02:15:53,560 --> 02:15:54,260
in the agenda.

1702
02:15:55,420 --> 02:15:55,760
So move.

1703
02:15:56,320 --> 02:15:56,380
Second.

1704
02:15:56,900 --> 02:15:57,160
All right.

1705
02:15:58,520 --> 02:15:59,280
I'll second.

1706
02:15:59,820 --> 02:16:01,280
All those in favour, stand.

1707
02:29:39,260 --> 02:29:41,180
Mr. Attorney, anything to report?

1708
02:29:41,760 --> 02:29:42,140
No, sir.

1709
02:29:42,680 --> 02:29:43,180
Thank you.

1710
02:29:44,020 --> 02:29:45,080
Motion to adjourn?

1711
02:29:45,240 --> 02:29:45,480
Summit.

1712
02:29:45,880 --> 02:29:46,080
Second.

1713
02:29:46,780 --> 02:29:47,480
All those in favour?

1714
02:29:47,840 --> 02:29:47,940
Aye.

1715
02:29:48,480 --> 02:29:48,940
Thank you.