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Ham Township Board of Supervisors
meeting to order and we will open with

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pledge of allegiance.

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» I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America [clears throat]

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and to the republic for which it stands.
One nation under God, indivisible, with

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liberty and justice for all.
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» Okay, Madam Chairman, I hope you will
indulge me for a moment, but

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» indulge me too much.
>> Yeah, I have a statement I want to make

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because I anticipate that there's a lot
of people out here because of this issue

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tonight. I know some of you are here
because of Shannon Sticker and Mike and

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the Democratic Club have asked you to
come out and ask for my resignation. I

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am not going to resign. I look forward
to defending my neighbors for the next

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three years. Litigation and neighbor
complaint from Devonshshire neighborhood

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is nothing new. Right here
I have 43 pages of complaints from

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neighbors and the township. What is new
is that the owners of preserved

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properties
want to break their conservation

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easements destroying Buckingham
Township's open space program. Why would

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anyone want to be a part of that?
The personal attacks show me that some

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will do anything to protect their
illegal issues. Because of ongoing

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litigation at Commonwealth Court, it
would be inappropriate for anyone in

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this board to comment on this litigation
at this time. Thank you so much.

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» Okay. Um so we open our meeting with
public comment and as it says on the

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agenda um we have 30 minutes of public
comment and at and whatever whoever

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wants to speak we start our meeting and
then we can continue with public comment

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at the end of our business meeting. So
there are a lot of people in the room

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and I suspect a lot of people who want
to speak. So, be thinking about being

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courteous to the other people that want
to speak and uh say your your comment

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and um make sure there's time for other
people to speak too. So, we'll start and

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it's a couple minutes after 7, so we'll
go to 8:35

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and then we'll start our business
meeting if need be.

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So, um, get up, go to the mic if you
have something to that you want to

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share, and make sure that Lori gets your
name and your address, which you'll have

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your comments in in the minutes.

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I will don't be shy. Hi, Lori.
>> Hi, Stephanie Wiser, 38 way. And I um

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would like to second what Shannon and
Mike uh Shannon Ste both said. I would

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like to see you resign with John. I was
also um canvasing with Mike when you

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sent that letter out to the your
Republican friend I guess in Deire and

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it was very upsetting because we knew it
was a lie and um I don't know if anybody

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has read the apology that was posted on
Facebook that uh John Doris was required

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to post um but he admitted to a number
of lies that he um wrote and sent to pe

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certain people in a certain community
that um and he was sued for defamation

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and he lost he went to a settlement. I
don't want to say anything that isn't

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correct as far as uh legally, but from
what I understand, you were sued. You

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you settled. You had to pay a large fine
because they found you I I guess you had

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to settle because they found you guilty
in and in regard of taking care of or

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with regard to taking care of the people
here in Buckingham. I think it's

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important for us to have faith in our
board and to believe that when our board

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of supervisors says certain things that
they are speaking the truth. And so from

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now on, John, how many more years do you
have? every time you open your mouth,

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are we going to believe what you're
saying or do we have to question it and

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to think that you are being politically
motivated? Because that's what it will

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sound like to me. Thank you. Um I do
want to say I did have another point to

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make about something else all together.
>> Do I do that now or do you want me?

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» Okay. So the next thing I'd like to
bring up which is really very important

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to me is um the lack of transparency
with the board. So, I brought this up

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the last time and what I'm looking to
see and I was told it will be on the new

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website whenever that is. We will be
seeing agendas from every single

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commission and committee and we will
also be seeing minutes. Now, I was at

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the planning commission meeting with
Luke and I asked why is there a no

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agenda and b no minutes being taken and
I was told not by Luke but by the other

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planning commission people that they
didn't have to take minutes that it

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wasn't required and that there was no
need and people wouldn't actually and

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this was the other part wouldn't
understand

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what was being said at the meeting
because they had been clued in all

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along.
I found it offensive, but more

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importantly,
I want to see the minutes from all of

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our commissions and [clears throat] all
of our committees posted on the website.

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I noticed today, this is the first time
that I've noticed it, that all of the

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committees and the commissions that have
sent in minutes are actually listed that

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you're going to approve. And now we,
your constituents, would like to see

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those minutes and be able to read them.
prior to a meeting, I would like to see

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an agenda posted on our website for all
of the commissions and committees and um

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that's pretty much we have we have
commissions.

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I think I think that's part of the
Sunshine Act here in Pennsylvania.

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» Yeah, the planning commission does
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she talking about the work session for
the comprehensive plan? So that is not

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that is not your monthly planning
commission meaning you're talking about

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the comprehensive plan work sessions but
uh but we do you know our boards and

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commissions are all volunteers and when
we receive their agendas we have them

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here and when we receive their minutes
we bring them to the board after they've

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approved them at the next meeting.
Sometimes we don't get them. Sometimes

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we don't get the you know the other the
board of auditors minutes. We when we

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get them we we have them and we can
provide any minutes that you want. They

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are all
>> here. You've got them where you have

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them. I want to see them on the website.
>> You're saying post I think she's saying

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she can't read them.
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is I understand that they're volunteers,
EAC volunteers. They take comprehensive

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minutes. I think when people
apply to be on a commission, it should

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be made clear to them that they need to
take minutes. That that is part of the

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requirements of a commission in this
township that they be transparent that

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what goes on in a commission meeting is
available for people who are not able to

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be there um to be able to read and see
that. And I understand it's volunteers.

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there are, you know, people do a lot of
volunteers. The boards are pretty much

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volunteers, but um I think that it's
important and I think you can make a lot

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of excuses why it's happened, but I do
notice that since I've been complaining

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now all of the commissions that are
being approved are listed here on the

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agenda.
>> Well, and and that's what happened. You

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asked and we listed them.
>> I asked last time as well. So, okay,

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Dana, I get what you're saying and I
don't and I am upset about it because I

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feel like sometimes we get pregnant. I
really do.

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» Is there a reason we can't put approved
minutes on the website?

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» They are on the website,
aren't they?

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» They have to be tell that's my question.
I mean, I thought they were all once

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they're approved, they're posted.
>> You can't put unapproved minutes on a

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website.
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» Correct. It's illegal.
>> And you have to give them to us

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» in the next meeting. and then there's 10
to you and then they're approved and

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then they should be posted. So look on
the website

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here's
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minutes on
>> if EAC would like their minutes on the

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minutes when they get we can put them on
the website but but [clears throat]

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» okay
>> only one who's ever had an issue

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» Alison Zimmer 864 Green Meadow
furong.

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I'm here tonight to ask John Forest to
resign as Buckingham Township

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Supervisor. I want to be very clear
about why I'm making this request. Um,

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this is not about political parties. Um,
it's about whether it's not about

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whether someone agrees with his position
on a particular issue and it's not about

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punishing someone for making a mistake.
To me, it's about trust. Mr. Forest has

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now publicly acknowledged that in 23 he
published and distributed a political

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flyer containing multiple false claims
about Freighick's farm. These were not

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vague statements. In his own public
apology, Mr. Forest acknowledges that he

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falsely accused Freighick's farm of
corruption and quit quote quote

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behavior. He acknowledges that the
conversations he relied upon for those

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accusations never happened. He
acknowledges that he falsely claimed

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that Mr. Baitman attended a hearing to
support Bix's farm and offered to defend

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them in exchange for electoral support.
>> He further acknowledges that he falsely

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claimed a conversation occurred at
another hearing in which people

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supposedly said that they needed to wait
for the election to be over and

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everything would go away.
According to Mr. Forest own apology,

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these statements were never made. And
perhaps most importantly, Mr. Forest

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acknowledges that it was a lapse in
judgment to agree and share such a

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flyer.
That statement should concern every

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resident of Buckingham Township as well
as business owner because the

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responsibility of an elected official is
not merely to have an opinion. An

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elected official has a responsibility to
exercise judgment, to seek the truth,

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and to be careful with the reputation of
the people and businesses they serve.

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They serve.
Political speech can be passionate.

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Political disagreements can be fierce.
But there is a fundamental difference

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between criticizing someone's actions
and publicly making factual accusations

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that have not been verified. The people
of Buckingham Township deserve elected

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officials who understand that
difference. Mr. Por's apology is

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appropriate and appreciate that that he
has acknowledged what he did and

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apologized to Cray Farm. But an apology
does not automatically restore the

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public trust that was lost.
When [clears throat] an elected official

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uses his position and his political
influence to distribute serious

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allegations that he now admits admits
are false, the question becomes whether

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the public can continue to have
confidence in his judgment.

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If an employee made a serious accusation
about someone without verifying whether

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or not it was true, we would expect
accountability. If a business leader did

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the same thing, we would question their
judgment. And when an elected official

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does it, the standard should not be
lower. It should be higher. Our

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supervisors make decisions that affect
taxpayers, businesses, property owners,

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and the entire community. We need to
know that when they speak, they are

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dealing in facts. We need to know
[clears throat] that when they make

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accusations, they have verified them.
And we need to know that their political

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motivations will never outweigh their
obligations to act responsibility

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to act responsibly.
Mr. Forest has admitted that he failed

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that responsibility in in this instance.
[clears throat] For that reason, I

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respect respectfully call upon John
Forest to resign. This is not about

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vengeance. It's not about account. It's
about accountability. It's about the

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integrity of public office. And most
importantly, it's about restoring the

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trust that an elected official must have
in order to effectively serve the

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people. Buckingham Township deserves
leaders who understand these that the

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truth matters and especially when it's
politically inconvenient.

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» Amen.

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» Jeff Glober, 4710 Twin Brook Circle. Um
I also call on Mr. Forest to resign, but

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do I believe he's going to resign? No.
Um, I call on the board to take a censor

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uh to issue a censor um
resolution tonight condoning the

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behavior. Okay. It requires two votes. I
would ask anybody who's voting to please

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state why they're voting in favor of
doing that or against doing that. Okay?

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We need to go on the record that this is
unacceptable. Okay? lying to

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constituency is inappropriate and the
board cannot accept that. Okay, plain

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and simple. So, please take that vote.

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» Someone else.

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» My name is Ravi Bala. I'm a new resident
of the township and I'm not very

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experienced at doing this in this public
forum. So, forgive me if I stumble.

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I have a question. I wonder if I can
address it to the township solicitor.

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Um, are there minimum ethical standards
for people that serve on the board of

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supervisors?
>> There's ethical standards for every

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public official
>> and do those ethical standards require

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honesty.
>> The cannons of ethics are uh there's

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actually a board in Pennsylvania that
administers the ethical code. Um, and in

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this instance,
>> you have to you have to reference that.

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» In this instance, you've got a member of
the board that's come back and said, I

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assume that this was a violation of the
ethical standards.

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» I don't know that.
>> How would you know that?

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» But you'd look it up and I have to go
look it up and I haven't looked it up.

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» And would you look it up? And would you
be able to report that into the next

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meeting?
>> I can certainly let my client, the

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board, know.
>> Okay. And I would ask the board

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chairman, would you make sure that this
this investigation happens? And we try

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to at least get a reading on whether the
ethical standards have been violated in

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this instance.
>> And the solicitor says there are minimal

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ethical standards.
>> I'm happy to look it up. I suspect they

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aren't, but I'm happy
>> I would. And and would you make that

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public?
>> That's up to the board. The board is my

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client. I [clears throat]
>> completely completely understand that. I

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think I think that is that is that is
great response and I would I would hope

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that in the next meeting by the next
meeting we have that kind of an

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investigation and you come back and say
here are the standards that we looked at

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here is how this is a violation or not a
violation.

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» What what he'll look up he'll look up
the standards

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» there was there this this member Mr.
Forest from what the articles that I've

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read has acknowledged that he's made
false statements. He lied and he's

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acknowledged that.
So is lying a violation of the ethical

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standards and if there are violations of
ethical standards, what are the

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consequences and how does board act on
it? I mean this this is something that

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we all need to be working.
>> Okay. Thank you.

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» Well, we have all the details down your
of your uh question.

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» Thank you.
>> Yeah.

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Next.

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Hello, Paul Caldero 3670 Queen Ridge
Road. Um, I kind of feel we're in a

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remake since we have a director in the
room. I feel like we're in a remake of

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Casablanca.
Like there's gambling going on in this

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establishment. I'm sorry. I find it very
hypocritical. Let Let me see. Let's

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Let's talk about being dishonest. Um,
Stephanie, when you got up here, you

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were shocked about the dishonesty, quote
unquote. I wonder if it's dishonest if a

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member of the board were to do something
to their house without getting approval

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from the township. Is that dishonest to
ask all of us to do something that

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you're not willing to do yourself? Is
that dishonest? Is it dishonest to say

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during a campaign, oh, we're going to
there there's something going to be

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built here when it's not going to be
built here. Is that dishonest? The

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amount of hypocrisy, and by the way, I'm
a human being. I'm guilty of hypocrisy

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myself, but I just find it funny about
we get on our high horse about being

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dishonest when the people that you
support do the same thing. The said the

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other thing is this. Um I know one
thing, deeds and actions. I know one

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thing. John Forest for 20 years as
supervisor longer than that as a

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constable.
His acts as supervisor, let me think.

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Um, AAA Township, one of the only three
in the state, lowest townships in Bucks

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County, the one of the top staff around.
Um, I'm sorry, why do we all live here?

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I know if it was a crappy place to live,
we would not live here. So, John, your

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actions speak loud enough. And in case
anybody didn't remember, we have a

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lawsuit
with a particular farm, okay, that's

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been going on for a reason, okay? They
are not pure as the wind driven snow.

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Please forgive me when when you get a
million dollars.

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Sorry, I'm a tired very passionate. When
you get a million dollars to preserve

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your property and you don't want to do
the things that you took that money for,

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THAT'S AN ISSUE. THAT'S DISHONESTY.
That's all I've got to say. Thank you,

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JOHN. [applause]

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» HI, good evening. My name is James
Seabourg. I live at 4683 Bradley Court

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in Doylestown. I had a question about
the vehicles that are being approved and

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I guess Maggie I would start with you
about the um environmental committee.

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Have these been vetted by the
subcommittee. Are these because I

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remember before so we had a great
evening about the environmental action

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group um not not approving a truck or
not recommending a truck after we said

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we were going to put in all of these
standards. I [clears throat] wondered if

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these are green vehicles or energy
efficient vehicles.

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» They were not vetted by the EAC
and I don't believe that they are all

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green vehicles.
>> No,

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» they are all green vehicles.
>> They are not all green vehicles.

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» I I guess um going back to the theme of
tonight, we need to be putting action

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behind our words.
>> They are police vehicles.

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» Huh? They're both
>> vehicles. Police vehicles. There are

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green There are green emergency vehicles
in other municipalities.

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» Uh there are and we we do have a green
vehicle for our fire marshall and our

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emergency management coordinator. Um
since we have fleet vehicles in our uh

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department uh our police department,
they have requested that we stay with

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the the ones that are pursuit rated and
um that follow you know that follow with

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that.
>> Okay. Well, I'd like to see us go green.

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Um,
>> I think we've done a lot to go green

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here in the township.
>> I'm sorry.

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» We We have done a lot to go green here
in the township.

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» I'm not disputing that, but I remember
that night when the disappointment was

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when we purchased the vehicle for the
township and it wasn't green. I'm just

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expressing my point and I have no other
say than that. So, um, the only other

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thing I will say, I'm a former reporter
and I think we better pay really close

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attention to the sunshine law because
there are other municipalities that have

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gotten in trouble for not posting
agendas ahead of time.

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Just be careful. And then the last thing
I would say is, John, I'm really

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disappointed in you. And I when I first
moved to the township, you were very

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kind. When we met you at full greeting,
I didn't know who you are. Um, and it

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didn't matter. You were kind to us, but
I'm really disappointed in the choices

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that you've made, and I really wish you
would think twice about continuing to

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serve. Thank you.
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» Bruce Bell 3703, Burnhouse. Um, John,
I'd like to ask a question. So, I

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support you. Yes. Okay. Sorry.
>> I support everybody here that's calling

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for your resignation. What I'd like to
understand is in your statement when you

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started, you referenced 47 pages of
complaints from neighbors who you're

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supposed to represent. You're supposed
to be looking out for their best

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interests. And I don't understand why
whatever that dispute is with them would

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justify or constitute you committing
ethical violations. In my opinion, they

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were ethical violations. I'm with you on
that. and lying. What does that have to

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do with the 47 pages of complaints you
have? I don't need to know what the

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complaints are, but I'd like to
understand the cause and connection. I'm

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» going to step in here. The 47 complaints
are also exhibits in the ongoing lawsuit

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that's going on in
>> I don't care.

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» I know you don't care, but I don't
understand.

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» I'm not going to argue with you. I'm not
arguing with you. Okay. I'm just telling

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the board that they shouldn't get
engaged in those discussions while I was

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on.
>> I want to understand what 47 pages of

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complaints about from from residents has
anything to do with John feeling that

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that gives him the right look that gives
him the right

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» to lie
>> to his constituents in this township.

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That's what I'd like to understand. I'd
like an answer to that.

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» If you want to look at the 47
complaints, you can go to the courthouse

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and you can look at the exhibits that
are part of the ongoing

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» No, I want to know what complaints have
to do with

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» him lying
>> to constituents

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» why he felt that it was acceptable if I
complain about somebody

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» that doesn't give them the right to turn
around and lie to other people

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so I'd like an answer on that is there
something that could be provided now or

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or at the next meeting or in writing to
>> no our visit presidents

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» so you have no explanation for lying is
acceptable when there's complaints

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Okay,
>> advising you guys not to get into that.

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Thank you.
>> You know, I've been a resident here 30

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years, never felt the need to come here,
and I'm appalled by how residents of

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this township are being treated by the
people they're supposed to represent.

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» Amen.
>> I really [applause]

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I mean, you speak down to people, you
know, Jane just came up and said, "Hey,

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I'd like to talk about environmental
vehicles. I'd like to talk about green."

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And Dana, you turn around. But we do a
lot of stuff for green. Okay. That

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doesn't explain what Jane's question
was. You guys connect in things that

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don't connect. Thank you.

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» Chris [clears throat] Taylor, 409
Hillrest.

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moved here 28 years ago
for a couple of reasons. John's been a

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great steward of this community, this
township for every year we've been here.

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People do make mistakes.
The other thing is when it comes to

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civil lawsuits, people settle for
different reasons and it's not always

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because it's on the far end of the
spectrum that's being portrayed.

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So, I just ask people to kind of
understand that, too. It's probably

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somewhere in the middle.
Right. So that's all

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» Chris. My first my first lawsuit in 64
years scared the hell out of me.

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» Y
>> thank you for your service.

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» Yeah. Thank you, sir.
>> Thank you. [applause]

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» Anybody else?
No.

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Hello. Um Lisa Bro, 3352 Darpalo Road.
Um first I wanted to start with um I

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wanted to thank um the township and the
public works, police, fire um for the

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Buckingham Night Market. Um I don't know
if any of you guys attend it. Um but it

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was really um an amazing night of
community seeing people come together um

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and seeing all these local businesses um
be supported and just overall teamwork.

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Um I got a lot of compliments of people
saying it was really nice to see

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volunteers, township, police, fire all
working together um to do something for

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the community. And I know the parks and
recck got a lot of feedback um from just

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people sending us emails saying that
they were um super, you know, just happy

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about it and want to see more of that.
Um

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Maggie and John, I didn't I don't know
if you guys were there. I didn't have a

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chance to see you guys there, but I was
curious.

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Um
>> we never heard I didn't hear like I know

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as commission we didn't hear anything
from you guys. So, I was curious if you

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guys had any feedback
>> from the evening.

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» I think I think Dana shared
>> I shared it with Louise

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» most of the feedback um and with Louise
and with you.

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» Okay. So, what is that feedback? I'd
love to hear it.

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» Well, I got an email from um
[clears throat]

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uh
>> Pine Run. They brought a busload of

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people that were coming because they
don't drive and they thought they were

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coming to a a farmers market and they
were disappointed because they saw a

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booth with some tomatoes and couple
heads of lettuce and you know that was

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about it for that kind of thing. But I
also know that you're you know it's the

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first it was the first one you're you're
working on. I said they said you know

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better better luck next year. they'll
come back next year. So,

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» okay.
>> You know, I mean, and I and I was there

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for a while and looked around and and I
I honestly I had a different impression

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of what it was going to be. I thought it
was going to be more

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» more farm,
you know, produce and stuff like that.

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But, you know,
>> it's to that point um it's exciting. We

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have nonsuch that'll be joining us next
time. Uh Slack Farm is joining us. when

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the garden farm is joining us. So
>> good. And to be fair, we do uh they did

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publish a list of all of the vendors
that are there.

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» Well, I'm just I'm just telling you what
I heard. I I don't have a comment. I

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mean, I knew it was the first one and
you're going to do the next one and

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everyone's a learning experience. So,
>> and it's not supervisor comment, but

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I'll say the same thing that my
neighbors in Buck Springs were

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disappointed that there wasn't more farm
markets there cuz they think that's what

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it was. That's what the public was told
that it was going to be.

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» But that sounds like
>> So, we can agree then that the public

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wants a farmers market.
>> They do want a farmers market.

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» Okay. Cuz you once said that we
shouldn't have a farmers market.

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[laughter]

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» You guys both did, actually. [applause]
You know what, Lisa?

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» I'm not saying that, Lisa.
>> We're talking about the night market and

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I'm trying to be encouraging.
>> I'm just saying you guys I literally

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» That's a different story what we talked
about before about a farmers market. You

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didn't want one. But now you're saying
the community wants us to have

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» No, I didn't say that. I said they
showed up at the night market.

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» You know what? This is It's fine.
>> You have a nice night market. This is

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work because there's somebody wants to
speak behind you

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» and you know
>> I'm still not I'm still not done.

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» What else? What else? What's your
comment?

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» Yeah. [clears throat]
>> Um so this is to you John directly. Um I

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just want to express um as a fellow
farmer um just my disappointment. I

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don't know um how low you have to be to
do that to another farming business in

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our community. Um, I don't know how you
make that decision that that was the

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right thing to do.
>> Um, and it's deeply disappointing. And I

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think you've you've sent a message loud
and clear that you

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you you don't have farmers backs to do
that for your own political gain.

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» Are you Is that not true?
[clears throat]

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» You didn't You didn't do that for your
own political gain.

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» I don't know. You're nodding. Sorry.
Just keep talking, Lisa. Yeah, you you

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» keep talking. You got a few more
minutes.

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» Okay, we have we have
>> I just want to reiterate that it's very

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disappointing. Um and I think again as a
first generation farmer, you guys do not

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make it feel like we are welcomed. Um
and just this action for what you did,

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like it it just does not sit right. And
I just want to say it really disappoints

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me. Um, and I do ask that I know you're
the chair of the ASA and you should step

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off of that. Um, or not be the
government liaison for that. Um, you

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clearly do not care about it. Um, you
did not provide an agenda. We do not

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have minutes. We approved something even
and there's no record of that. Um, you

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clearly don't want to have any more
meetings to discuss that or even approve

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our minutes. So, is that something
you're willing to do?

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» I provided minutes for the last meeting
we have.

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Where are they?
>> Well, thank

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» Don't they have to be approved?
>> Yeah. Like, yeah.

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» Well, I'm on that commission and I've
seen no minutes. I've seen no agenda.

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» Let me check. Thank you.
>> So, do you have those minutes? Will they

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be shared?
>> Okay.

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» I don't know.
>> Yo, this is like the Twilight Zone. You

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have no [laughter] answer.
>> You took the minutes. So, you have draft

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minutes. You haven't had another
>> Hold on. You'll have to call another

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meeting. for the the committee to
approve them.

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» So there will be another meeting.
>> There'll be another meeting called to

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approve the minutes. Yes.
>> All right. Everybody heard it.

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» Yes.
>> We heard level of accountability. You

414
00:31:21,181 --> 00:31:24,440
[applause] heard it.

415
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:35,919
» My name is Michael. I live on by road
township. I've lived here for 56 years.

416
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:42,399
I've been preserved over 200 acres 100
acres in this township. Um I think John

417
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:47,279
you have a really difficult job. Um it's
really difficult and I uh I don't think

418
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:52,320
your behavior is is good whether you
should retire or not. I I'm not going to

419
00:31:49,679 --> 00:31:56,720
comment on that. Um I do think that
there are at least seven current

420
00:31:53,919 --> 00:32:00,880
lawsuits against the township. These are
just the tip of the iceberg and there

421
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:04,880
more to come. And I you got to clean
this up, guys. You and Mike go to work

422
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:10,399
together and clean this up. Somehow
settling with barb and all these people,

423
00:32:06,799 --> 00:32:14,080
it's just wrong. You know, I I feel like
an Indian on a reservation this

424
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:18,640
township, you know, as long as you keep
your head down and keep your mouth shut,

425
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:23,919
you're fine. But if you open your mouth,
then you're in trouble. Mrs. Rash denied

426
00:32:21,519 --> 00:32:28,159
me to [clears throat] to be on the park
and recreation committee because I had

427
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:31,760
challenged their zoning. You can't do
that.

428
00:32:29,279 --> 00:32:37,960
That's wrong. You said you were you
weren't sure whether it was right or

429
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:37,960
not. Have you thought about that?

430
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:43,679
Have you thought about that? You deni
you denied me the right to be on the

431
00:32:42,159 --> 00:32:45,919
park and recreation committee because I
had challenged your zoning in Forest

432
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:49,360
Grove. Is that correct?
>> Not in Forest Grove. You challenge

433
00:32:47,679 --> 00:32:55,200
» No, I challenged it in Forest. No,
you're wrong. I absolutely not.

434
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:59,279
» Absolutely not.
>> We've never an ongoing zoning challenge.

435
00:32:58,159 --> 00:33:02,000
that's growing on.
>> That's right.

436
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,279
» Um and it's challenging the township
zoning ordinance.

437
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:08,320
» Right. Yeah.
>> And you've had plenty of chances with

438
00:33:05,679 --> 00:33:11,200
Mike to solve that and you don't want to
for six lots on 30 acres. You don't want

439
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:14,320
to do that, right?
>> No.

440
00:33:11,519 --> 00:33:17,600
» Well, I'm not going to let them get into
negotiations, but that's the fact I'm

441
00:33:16,559 --> 00:33:21,600
not going to let you get into settlement
negotiations with you. That's

442
00:33:19,919 --> 00:33:25,440
» I'm saying my opinion is what's going
I'm willing to do that, Greg. That's not

443
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:29,519
a law. That's what I would be willing to
do. There are discussions, as you know,

444
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:32,960
going on between your lawyers and the
tours and everything else. So,

445
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,720
» Mike, how many Mike, how many homes has
your family built in Buckingham

446
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,600
Township?
>> I've never built one, John.

447
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,559
» Not one.
>> How many did your family build?

448
00:33:38,799 --> 00:33:44,640
» I don't know, John. My father's passed
away, John. Don't bring it up.

449
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:48,080
» Okay.
>> Okay.

450
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:52,960
» Out of respect for my father, I've never
subdivided property and been offered. I

451
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:57,519
gave up over $6 million to preserve a
farm up by the airport.

452
00:33:55,360 --> 00:34:00,880
and I want to build some houses
>> for my employees and you can't even do

453
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:04,640
it.
>> And now we're in all sorts of

454
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:08,639
litigation. I'm done with that. Maggie,
you need to apologize to me for not

455
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:12,720
letting me on that board.
>> Do you think you were wrong?

456
00:34:11,119 --> 00:34:17,679
» I'm not apologizing to you.
>> Okay. So, you you think my civil rights

457
00:34:15,119 --> 00:34:22,639
were not violating?
>> You can't do that. Look, look, we're not

458
00:34:19,359 --> 00:34:26,960
going to get into respondation.
>> I want everybody to hear how this

459
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:30,480
country is run. I can do that.
>> Say whatever you want, right? You

460
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:32,159
absolutely can. But I'm not going to let
them engage with you in that kind of

461
00:34:31,839 --> 00:34:34,560
stuff.
>> Okay. Well, I'm talking to them.

462
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:38,000
» Okay.
>> I'm just telling you how people get

463
00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:43,200
treated in this township.
>> It's not right.

464
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:48,240
» And you've not apologized. So, John, I I
I just hope that you stay. I really do.

465
00:34:45,919 --> 00:34:52,000
And I hope that you find your way back
to where you need to be, where you were

466
00:34:49,839 --> 00:34:55,919
20 years ago when you, Maggie, Maggie,
came in. It was great. You guys were

467
00:34:53,919 --> 00:34:59,954
great for the first 10 years. And then I
don't know what happened.

468
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:02,800
I really don't know what happened.
[snorts]

469
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:05,280
And I I'm not going to say anything why.
I just

470
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:07,760
» You just said you got $6 million for
your property from the

471
00:35:06,079 --> 00:35:12,560
» No, I gave up the $6 million.
>> Gave up. Okay. Whatever.

472
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:17,280
» Yeah. I bought I bought it when I was
>> 32 years old. I took $170,000 mortgage

473
00:35:15,599 --> 00:35:22,800
out on the property. I was offered $8
million of a property and took two.

474
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:25,200
» Now, find fault with that.
>> No, we were very we respected that. Yep.

475
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,599
That was
>> And then I And I'm not going I'm not

476
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:32,000
going to correct. And then I go over
here and do the most basic thing and I

477
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:35,680
can't even get a thumb back. I can't get
anything. I'll bring the Texas if you

478
00:35:33,599 --> 00:35:41,200
want me to when you wouldn't even meet
with me.

479
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:44,880
It's not right. You guys got to change.
You just can't treat people like myself

480
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:48,640
like garbage.
You know, you you make us spend hundreds

481
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:53,520
and hundreds of thousands of dollars to
do the most basic things. Settle this

482
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:56,079
thing. Do something. Do something right.
John, you know better.

483
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:59,520
» Yeah. You could have built all the homes
you wanted.

484
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,400
» That's right. No, it's all right.
>> It's okay.

485
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,920
» Yeah.
>> But I am asking for Maggie for an

486
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:08,480
apology for not letting in the park. You
How can people speak up?

487
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:11,359
» I was reluctant to speak up because who
knows what you're going to do. What are

488
00:36:09,839 --> 00:36:15,839
you going to do? never reluctant to
speak up, Mike.

489
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:19,760
» Oh, I've spoken up three times in 35 or
40 years. I'm not a I don't come here.

490
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:24,240
How many John? How many times have you
ever seen me at a meeting speaking up?

491
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:26,880
» Just the past six meetings and before
that twice.

492
00:36:25,359 --> 00:36:29,520
» Nope. Nope. Not at all.
>> Because it's just, you know, I just got

493
00:36:28,240 --> 00:36:32,560
kind of fed up.
>> You know, all these people, all these

494
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:37,599
lawsuits and everything, after a while,
it's like, you know what? Why am I doing

495
00:36:34,240 --> 00:36:41,119
this? Why am I farming in this township?
>> It's not You don't get sued over

496
00:36:39,359 --> 00:36:44,560
farming. You get sued over development.
That's what you get sued over.

497
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:47,200
» I'm I'm not suggesting that you're going
out and chasing farmers down.

498
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,440
» Yeah.
>> Yeah.

499
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:51,680
» Mike wasn't sued. Yeah.
>> Okay.

500
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:55,040
» Mike [clears throat] brought a zoning
challenge against the township zoning

501
00:36:53,839 --> 00:36:58,320
boards in front of the zoning hearing
board. That's where this is. We

502
00:36:56,720 --> 00:37:00,800
shouldn't be discussing.
>> It's at right now

503
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:05,119
» and it's trying to get resolved.
>> Okay.

504
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:10,160
Well, again, it's hard for me to believe
that you would not allow me to be on a

505
00:37:07,839 --> 00:37:13,680
park and recreation committee because I
spoke out about something that makes

506
00:37:12,079 --> 00:37:16,640
What does that say to the residents here
who might want to say something? There's

507
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:20,839
probably 20 or 30 people who aren't here
tonight who are afraid to speak up.

508
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:27,599
» What does that say to other people?
>> Why don't you let some of the other

509
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:33,680
people speak up? [clears throat]
>> Well, give them time.

510
00:37:29,599 --> 00:37:37,200
» Okay. I'm not going to apologize to you
and

511
00:37:35,359 --> 00:37:43,839
we're starting stopping public comment
now. It's been it's been no it's been 35

512
00:37:41,359 --> 00:37:49,359
minutes and I said at the top we have
public comment for 30 minutes. We start

513
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:54,000
our business meeting and we'll we'll
continue public comment at the end of

514
00:37:51,680 --> 00:38:01,599
the meeting. It's been 35 minutes.
>> You apologize to Prolix.

515
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:01,599
» Have you apologized Mike?

516
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:14,320
You lied about him. That was written
in your apology to the prolife. Now,

517
00:38:10,720 --> 00:38:18,119
have you apologized to Mike?
You lied about him.

518
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:25,200
Will you apologize to him
>> or does he have to sue you to get an

519
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:29,520
apology?
>> I would suggest that's a matter between

520
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:33,920
the two of them.
I would suggest it's a he should give a

521
00:38:32,240 --> 00:38:36,720
public apology.
>> We We hear you. We hear what you're

522
00:38:36,079 --> 00:38:39,599
suggesting.
>> Yeah.

523
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:42,000
» You hear me?
>> Does he hear me?

524
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,680
» I think the whole board's heard.
>> I think everybody in the audience is

525
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:47,839
hurt.
>> Here's his time. Stand up and apologize

526
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:50,560
to him.
>> I think again that's probably something

527
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:54,720
they should deal with.
>> This has nothing to do with you.

528
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:59,087
» I'm just telling you, Mr. Carl, that's
>> stand up and apologize to this man.

529
00:38:57,067 --> 00:38:59,087
[clears throat]

530
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:05,240
You lied about him.

531
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:12,132
» Just apologize.
>> If you don't want to do it in the

532
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:14,152
public, you just do it in the back room.
[applause]

533
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:22,640
Okay.
Hold on. Um, how many other people want

534
00:39:20,720 --> 00:39:28,320
to have public comment? If is it like
one or two?

535
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:32,079
Lucy, you want public comment?
>> Shannon wants public. Otherwise, we're

536
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:34,560
going to start our business meeting.
>> Okay.

537
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:37,440
» And we'll finish public comment at the
end of the meeting. I announced that in

538
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:42,960
the beginning. It's always at the top of
the agenda. So, we'll have two more

539
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:48,320
people and then that's it until after
our meeting and it's a pretty quick

540
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:53,680
meeting. Go ahead. I with all these
apologies all of a sudden for no reason

541
00:39:50,720 --> 00:39:58,640
at all came to my head that I did
something very very bad when I was 17

542
00:39:56,160 --> 00:40:03,040
years old. I actually came out of a
communist country and I crossed the

543
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:07,680
minefield to get out of there without
any permission.

544
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:13,480
Other than that I'm perfect. Never did
anything wrong. I swear that's

545
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,480
» wrong.

546
00:40:16,079 --> 00:40:23,680
Hi. Um, my name is Shannon Sticker, 4519
Kevin Court. Um, thank you for extending

547
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:30,160
this. I apologize I wasn't able to get
here in time. Um, I serve as the chair

548
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:39,839
of Buckingham Democrats.
In that role, our organization has

549
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:45,839
and our candidates have experienced lies
and

550
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:49,520
falsehoods and
slander.

551
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:57,520
And before anyone says it goes both
ways, let me assure you it does not. We

552
00:40:54,000 --> 00:41:02,720
are very careful with what we put out.
We are very careful to do our research

553
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:07,440
and I would like to ask John on behalf
of our organization to please resign.

554
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:10,960
Thank you.
>> Is that coming from you or your boss

555
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:13,680
Santa?
>> That's coming from me and our local

556
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:17,948
organization.
>> Okay. Thanks, SHANE.

557
00:41:15,928 --> 00:41:17,948
[applause]

558
00:41:20,319 --> 00:41:26,480
» I'll just say Hold on. I was going to
ask you if you'd like a comment.

559
00:41:24,079 --> 00:41:30,720
» Sure.
Um,

560
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:38,720
I guess I'll just close this down since
I know we love banners here.

561
00:41:35,119 --> 00:41:44,240
Uh, this is a this was a post from John
posted back in 2011

562
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:51,760
on his Facebook page.
>> Yeah, that's about right. It says,

563
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:59,280
"When a campaign is run with lies and
deceit, candidates will govern and lie

564
00:41:55,119 --> 00:42:04,400
in deception. Slander and desperation
does not win an election. It's about the

565
00:42:02,319 --> 00:42:10,119
issues and the record."
>> Y um so that's [applause] right.

566
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:18,400
To John, these are your own words. When
a campaign is run with lies and

567
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:22,720
deceptions, that candidate will govern
in lies and deception. You have now

568
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:26,800
admitted that while serving as
supervisor and seeking re-election, you

569
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:32,560
spread false accusations of corruption
and quidd pro crow quid proquo on

570
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:37,599
conversations that never happened. Years
ago in 2011, you stood at this dis and

571
00:42:35,599 --> 00:42:42,079
you called for on a fellow supervisor to
resign if he could not do what was best

572
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:46,800
for the township. By your own words and
your own standard, I believe there's

573
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:52,924
only one appropriate action left. John,
you should resign as Buckingham Township

574
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:52,924
Supervisor. Thank you. [applause]

575
00:42:56,319 --> 00:43:06,000
» Okay. Um, and I just have a a quick
comment and that's what a lot of what

576
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:09,920
this is swirling around and the issues.
It has to do with zoning and

577
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:15,599
conservation easements. And I think we
pretty much tried to share that tonight.

578
00:43:13,359 --> 00:43:20,000
Um, our zoning ordinance is so
important. It's important to all of us

579
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:25,760
and I really think it's the one of the
main reasons that probably everybody in

580
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:30,160
this room moved here. Uh, you don't have
a gas station in the middle of

581
00:43:28,240 --> 00:43:36,319
Hearthstone or one of the other
developments because the zoning doesn't

582
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:41,760
allow it. um your neighbor has to be uh
diligent and not put a fence on your

583
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:47,119
property instead of, you know, impeding
onto your property because of the SAO

584
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:52,560
and the zoning, the conservation
easement.

585
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:57,640
Um this is our this is our list of
preserved properties, 6,000 acres.

586
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:08,079
We have someone challenging their
conservation easement.

587
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:15,599
And one of the issues that's part of
this whole discussion tonight is about

588
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:22,720
violating a conservation issue
and challenging it. And you know what?

589
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:28,160
If one of those um especially the
challenge to the to the one conservation

590
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:34,720
easement, if the conservation easement
is overturned,

591
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:39,680
every single one of these properties
is up for grabs.

592
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:45,440
Every single one. Don't you know you can
shake your head. It's not true. You

593
00:44:42,079 --> 00:44:51,839
cannot. We have never opened a
conservation easement and ch and and

594
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:59,286
overturned it. And we never ever want to
stop any of this.

595
00:44:54,720 --> 00:45:01,306
This is what makes Buckingham green.
[applause]

596
00:45:03,871 --> 00:45:07,839
[applause]
Okay. Concert. Let's see what's

597
00:45:06,240 --> 00:45:16,640
happening here.
>> Um, family fun concert series. Uh this

598
00:45:12,079 --> 00:45:19,920
tomorrow, Thursday, um 700 p.m. there
updated schedule. Is it going to the

599
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,200
springs or not?
>> We don't know yet.

600
00:45:20,720 --> 00:45:25,839
» Okay.
>> The weather's not supposed to be nice.

601
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:30,960
» Okay. It's up to the weather. Um
plan plan on coming to enjoy the

602
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:36,960
Buckingham Night Market um at Holly Punk
Park. That's Friday night and September

603
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:40,480
25th 5:30 to 8:30.
>> Uh quick just I want to add a couple of

604
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:45,280
things on that. Sure. So, uh, some
really great stuff. Uh, like Lee said,

605
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:48,720
uh, mentioned earlier, we do have, um,
we have Mardle's holiday farm coming. We

606
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:51,119
have N such coming. We have Slack Farm
there. There are a bunch more farms

607
00:45:50,319 --> 00:45:56,079
coming. Okay.
>> Which is great. Um, we've also added

608
00:45:53,760 --> 00:46:00,079
another really great kid activity. Uh,
since there was a long line for kid

609
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:05,200
activities, we've added the Twill um,
uh, trolley. We've and and she is coming

610
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:11,520
for free of charge marked for marketing
exposure only. We've also added um dog

611
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:14,640
adoptions. We've added uh quite a few
other really great things. And I know

612
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:18,640
one of the big pain points was finding
parking. Um so we have worked with the

613
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:22,319
police in the township as well to try
and figure out a parking uh solution

614
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:25,520
that should be able to accommodate
everybody without having to cross 202

615
00:46:24,720 --> 00:46:29,680
» and safely
>> and safely.

616
00:46:26,720 --> 00:46:33,520
» So um I'm really excited for Friday. I
think uh one of the the biggest things

617
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:36,880
that we've learned was uh how many
people want something like this and how

618
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:40,319
great it is to bring all of our
neighboring communities together and how

619
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:44,480
much fun it is to interact with each
other and um it's clearly something that

620
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:47,359
that was wanted. People turned out and
so we're addressing that moving forward

621
00:46:46,240 --> 00:46:49,920
and and trying to make sure we can
accommodate everyone that shows up. So,

622
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:54,640
thank you.
>> Okay. Uh Buckingham Township

623
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:58,079
Administration offices will be closed
September 7th in obser in observance of

624
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:02,560
Labor Day.
>> Am I hot right there?

625
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:09,359
» The the comprehensive plan workshop
number one is going to be on Tuesday,

626
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:16,640
September 15th, 206 here 7 to 9 in the
Buckingham room here. And a program by

627
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:22,720
EAC, Discover the Meadows of Buckingham,
an informative evening with Tyler Kovac.

628
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:31,119
um from Heritage Conservancy and that'll
be here on September 18th, 2026 from

629
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:35,520
6:00 to 8:00 p.m. Okay. Number three, I
move that we approve payment request

630
00:47:33,119 --> 00:47:40,000
number two to Bloomington Glenn
Contractors, Inc. for completed work on

631
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:45,119
the Cold Spring Crearyy on the Cold
Spring Well. Number four, radon and PFO

632
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:52,119
PFOS
removal contract BT2501 in the amount of

633
00:47:49,119 --> 00:47:52,119
$7,28145.

634
00:47:54,720 --> 00:48:00,319
» You want to do these?
>> I can do them all. all together

635
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:07,359
» and payment number uh one request number
one from GS developers for work

636
00:48:02,319 --> 00:48:13,520
completed on the furlong well F8 PFA PFA
PFAS removal project in the amount of

637
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:18,000
$27,000
um payment number one request to GS

638
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:28,280
developers inc for work completed on the
furlong well FAP FAS removal project

639
00:48:21,839 --> 00:48:28,280
electrical contract for4 4,500

640
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:37,599
and um approving the change order number
two for the Cold Spring Field Stone

641
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:45,319
Water Interconnect, increasing the
contract by $8,900

642
00:48:40,559 --> 00:48:45,319
to a new contract of 1,796,534.

643
00:48:48,079 --> 00:48:56,319
Another one more
>> and uh payment request number 11 to GS

644
00:48:53,280 --> 00:49:02,480
developers on the Cold Spring Fieldstone
again water interconnect BT2402 in the

645
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:06,400
amount of 98,
uh $11.50.

646
00:49:05,599 --> 00:49:13,200
That's it.
>> Second, and we just want to note that um

647
00:49:09,119 --> 00:49:18,079
all that is paid for by um anyone that
has water or sewer and not by the

648
00:49:16,559 --> 00:49:22,800
general fund.
And and Dana, won't our uh our grant

649
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:28,319
money cover a lot of this?
>> Yes.

650
00:49:23,359 --> 00:49:33,200
» The the one for the furlong well F8 FOS
removal project is fully covered through

651
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:43,760
grant money. The cold spring well number
four um is uh twothirds of it covered by

652
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:48,480
grant money. And uh the cold stone cold
spring field stone water inc

653
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:53,839
interconnect is also covered by grants
that we rece

654
00:49:51,119 --> 00:50:00,640
uh a couple weeks ago on a $2 million
grant from Y. So you may want to share

655
00:49:57,359 --> 00:50:02,880
that with folks.
>> Yep.

656
00:50:01,839 --> 00:50:05,174
» Right now.
>> Sure.

657
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:09,599
» We signed it. [laughter]
[gasps]

658
00:50:05,839 --> 00:50:16,160
» Yes. Um I don't have the the figure in
front of me but um the exact figure but

659
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:21,920
yes we we went for uh we actually have
our next application in but we went for

660
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:28,240
a penvest grant for Cold Spring 4 PAS
removal system um which we were uh

661
00:50:25,599 --> 00:50:34,160
received um I don't have the numbers in
front of me $2 million grant and a low

662
00:50:31,359 --> 00:50:40,000
interest road. Thank you for having that
in front of you. Um, and uh, so

663
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:45,599
» low interest loan
>> and a low interest for that. And then do

664
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:50,640
do you have the F8 in front of you?
There's that. That's the

665
00:50:48,720 --> 00:50:54,800
» uh, I have the one we just did.
>> And the F the F8 is the $2.4 million

666
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:57,599
grant.
>> 2,435,000.

667
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:59,440
Yeah.
>> Yes. All good.

668
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:02,480
» That we just
>> All good.

669
00:51:00,079 --> 00:51:05,920
» Got a week and a half ago. So,
>> Yep. Okay. All in favor?

670
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:11,920
» I
>> I um I move that we approve approve the

671
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:21,520
payroll for July 30th, 2026 and August
13th, 2026 and the bill list for August

672
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:24,520
26, 2026 in the amount of 1,355
355,76.9.

673
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:31,599
» Second.
>> All in favor? I

674
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:39,839
» I I move that we approve the draft
supervisor minutes from July 21st, 2026

675
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:44,800
work session and the July 21st, 2026
regular business meeting. So,

676
00:51:43,599 --> 00:51:46,160
uh, all in favor?
>> I

677
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:51,680
» I.
>> Number five, I move that we accept

678
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:56,480
various departmental dis
departmental minutes and advisory board

679
00:51:53,920 --> 00:52:01,920
minutes, including building and zoning
monthly stats for July. Um,

680
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:09,599
environmental advisory commission, our
EAC for May 20th and June 17, 2026.

681
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:16,640
Park and wreck, July 20th, 26. Safety
Committee 2020 20 July 2026 and historic

682
00:52:13,359 --> 00:52:19,839
commission July 16th 2026.
>> Second.

683
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:24,800
» Uh all in favor? I
>> I I move that we agree to the developers

684
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:30,640
request for extension a time to
September 11, 2027

685
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:36,880
uh to complete improvements um set forth
in the residential development contract

686
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:44,559
uh covering Mil Creek Ridge/Smith
Viper phase 1 and phase 2 township file

687
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:48,880
SA201-05C.
>> I'll second, but I have a question.

688
00:52:46,319 --> 00:52:52,079
» Okay. Um, I just want to make sure and I
and it based off of what Dana mentioned

689
00:52:50,720 --> 00:52:55,359
earlier tonight, I assume the answer is
no, but I just want to make sure that um

690
00:52:54,240 --> 00:53:01,119
extending this [snorts]
won't make any difference in working on

691
00:52:58,319 --> 00:53:03,119
the um the the water and sewer rate
district.

692
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:04,720
» No, that this is site.
>> Okay. I just wanted to make sure.

693
00:53:04,079 --> 00:53:06,559
» Sure, you're fine.
>> Thank you.

694
00:53:05,119 --> 00:53:11,119
» And and I would just like to add they do
have a requested dedication. So, we're

695
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:14,559
proceeding with doing punch list and
hopefully closing that out whether or

696
00:53:12,559 --> 00:53:16,720
not this year probably more early next
year. So,

697
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:20,000
» Okay. Good. So, we're finally coming to
the end of that one.

698
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:27,119
» All righty. All in favor? I
>> I move that we award the bid for the

699
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:34,720
removal and disposal of 650,000
gallons annually or more or less of

700
00:53:30,319 --> 00:53:41,440
liquid sludge on the approximately 6,500
to 18,000 gallon more or less per week

701
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:50,000
for the first year of a three-year bid
option contract year September 1st, 2026

702
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:56,079
through August 31st, 2027. Seven awarded
to Wind River Environmental LLC,

703
00:53:53,920 --> 00:54:00,720
formerly Frank. I don't know if anybody
has their septic system pump, but Frank

704
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:08,520
Environmental
>> um uh of Ivy Land, PA in the amount of

705
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,520
um.1295

706
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:13,520
per gallon
cent.

707
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:18,319
Yeah.
>> Almost 13 cents.

708
00:54:14,720 --> 00:54:24,240
» Almost 13. and consideration of
approving the request from Wind River

709
00:54:21,119 --> 00:54:28,880
Environmental LLC to modify the bid
submission requirement for the format of

710
00:54:26,240 --> 00:54:34,240
the performance bond form offering to
provide a performance bond for one year

711
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:38,640
automatically renewing for the remaining
years of the contract.

712
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:43,040
» Second
questions or comments?

713
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:48,480
All in favor? I
>> I number eight. I move that we approve

714
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:54,480
resolution 2690
requesting a multimodal transportation

715
00:54:51,119 --> 00:54:59,440
fund grant from the uh pendot for
Buckingham Village transportation

716
00:54:56,480 --> 00:55:03,839
improvement project and designating the
chairman of the board of supervisors.

717
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:08,240
Thanks. And the Buckingham Township
manager to execute all documents and

718
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:11,040
agreements between Buckingham Township
and Pendot.

719
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:17,200
» Second.
>> Okay. So, unfortunately, we again were

720
00:55:14,720 --> 00:55:22,640
not awarded the multimodal
um grant for our trail system um that's

721
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:28,000
connecting to the new roundabout that
Pendot is building. Um they're opening

722
00:55:25,119 --> 00:55:32,319
up a new one and I'm just going to be
incredibly persistent and annoying until

723
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:38,000
they give us that grant. Okay.
>> So, I put it right back in and we'll put

724
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:40,480
it in on September 14th, the day that it
opens up again.

725
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:43,280
» Good. Good.
>> Thank you. Okay. All in favor?

726
00:55:42,720 --> 00:55:51,119
» I
>> I All right. Um, escrow releases.

727
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:56,640
I move that we approve release number
two. Um,

728
00:55:54,079 --> 00:56:01,920
WS for
>> water and sewer. Sorry. For Village

729
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:06,160
Crossing, aka Penn's purchase. You know
what that is? The big pile of dirt

730
00:56:04,319 --> 00:56:13,359
that's up there across from Peddler's
Village. Buckingham.

731
00:56:08,240 --> 00:56:17,880
um township file SA 2018 to uh-4
in the amount of 33,8382

732
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:25,119
and it's recommended by um Castle Bow
>> second.

733
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:27,359
» Okay. I have a question.
>> You're doing these se You're doing these

734
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:33,440
separately, correct?
>> Yeah. So, is that is that about the the

735
00:56:31,599 --> 00:56:37,839
well and everything in Peddler's
Village? No,

736
00:56:34,720 --> 00:56:39,599
» not peddlers, but Stone Havens, the new
>> Okay. Yeah.

737
00:56:39,119 --> 00:56:44,000
» Okay.
>> The new well.

738
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:46,640
» All righty. Good. Um, all in favor?
>> I

739
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:52,319
» I Okay. I move that we approve release
number four for village crossing tense

740
00:56:49,599 --> 00:56:55,799
purchase. Uh, same township file in the
amount of $71,28269.

741
00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:03,520
» Second. And that's for site. S for site.
Correct. Y.

742
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:06,559
» Okay. Um all in favor
>> I

743
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:16,960
» I I move that we approve release number
one storm water permit um to the 2301

744
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:19,760
for Victoria Victoria Park subdivision
lot two

745
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:23,359
» off in New Hope this is the large
preserved parcel memory museum

746
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:28,160
» between New Hope and Smith.
>> Yeah. across from the Jehovah Witnesses.

747
00:57:26,799 --> 00:57:31,640
» Oh yeah.
>> No, I'm talking.

748
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:41,760
» Yep. Yep. Yep. You're right. I
apologize.

749
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:43,599
I thought we were going back to 2006.
Um anyway,

750
00:57:43,119 --> 00:57:49,799
» here.
>> Uh I moved that we we release $254,275.

751
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:54,160
» Second.
>> Okay. All in favor?

752
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:59,520
» I
>> I Oh, we got some manager items.

753
00:57:57,359 --> 00:58:02,400
» Um, and is this the waiver?
>> Yeah, we approved Steve Terill's.

754
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:07,599
» Yeah.
>> Well, you you want to do it now? You're

755
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:10,240
going to do it now. You discussed it at
your work session.

756
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:15,359
» We did. We discussed this in the work
session before the meeting started.

757
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:21,359
» Um, and Craig, I think you have to add
some things into my motion because

758
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:25,920
» I didn't write it down. I think what
we're doing is moving to approve for

759
00:58:23,839 --> 00:58:31,920
waiver of land development
>> uh submitted by Stevenville Jr.

760
00:58:29,839 --> 00:58:37,760
um to construct additional two offices
above an existing structure within the

761
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:44,000
existing garage footprint at 3681 Court
Spring Creek Road and I think Dan uh the

762
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:47,119
waiverss would accommodate them and
correct me if I'm wrong so they would

763
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:47,920
not have to get zoning bill.
>> Correct.

764
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:49,839
» Correct.
>> Okay.

765
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:52,559
» Okay. Thank you.
>> Second.

766
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:59,839
» Okay. All in favor? I I
>> I move that we authorize the purchase of

767
00:58:55,359 --> 00:59:06,119
a 2026 F-150 police responder 4x4 from
Fred Beans Ford in the amount of

768
00:59:03,119 --> 00:59:06,119
$50,249.

769
00:59:06,559 --> 00:59:16,960
Price includes PA Coastards discount
plus uplifting the SKD Tyrants Emergency

770
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:23,200
Vehicle Uplifting Inc. in the amount of
20,000 or 7937.

771
00:59:20,799 --> 00:59:24,400
And this was second first.
>> Yeah.

772
00:59:23,839 --> 00:59:25,839
» Second.
>> Now

773
00:59:24,799 --> 00:59:29,040
» you got a second.
>> Okay.

774
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:36,240
» This was in the budget, right?
>> Yes. And this is um this is a police

775
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:46,960
vehicle. It is the vehicle that holds
our scales. Um so uh they

776
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:52,480
at which are rather heavy and will be
well we'll be hauling truck scales other

777
00:59:49,119 --> 01:00:00,720
gear and equipment in the truck. Um so
this motor uh will work best. It's a 3.5

778
00:59:56,160 --> 01:00:04,559
L EcoBoost motor. Um so it's uh they
stopped production on the electric

779
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:10,240
vehicles. We're also a little concerned
about the electric vehicles because the

780
01:00:06,319 --> 01:00:20,640
amount of equipment. Um we also just how
heavy the MAP um units scales are. Um

781
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:26,880
this looks like the best for that need
for the police department. And um they

782
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:32,559
did adjust I asked them something with
that um

783
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:36,359
and uh they're actually doing away with
the electric F-150s.

784
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:40,960
» Okay,
>> is what they were told. But this one,

785
01:00:39,119 --> 01:00:46,480
even though, you know, that would be
possibly problematic with all of their

786
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:52,640
equipment anyway, um we really need the
the heavy duty of this 4x4

787
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:56,480
um for our scales.
>> Jane, do you have any questions?

788
01:00:55,440 --> 01:01:00,480
» Yeah, I was going to ask.
>> No, I appreciate it. I I just recalled

789
01:00:58,559 --> 01:01:04,799
from that previous meeting that they had
where you had a wonderful presentation

790
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:08,799
from the environmental advisory
committee and then you had approved a

791
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:13,119
truck later that night and they were
kind of like passing ships in the night

792
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:18,799
and I just would hope whether it's
emergency vehicle or not that in the

793
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:25,280
future it doesn't matter how much how
many other green things we're doing that

794
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:30,880
we at least evaluate the feasibility of
getting more a more fuel efficient

795
01:01:28,079 --> 01:01:36,880
vehicle. I mean, lead by example
>> and and and and we do I I I may have

796
01:01:34,319 --> 01:01:41,839
come off differently from that. I I do
tell my staff to look for the green

797
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:47,520
vehicle first. So, in every single
vehicle we purchase, we look at can we

798
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:52,240
get a green vehicle. So, I don't know
what meeting you were at. I don't think

799
01:01:50,079 --> 01:01:54,240
it was this meeting that you're talking
about.

800
01:01:52,559 --> 01:01:57,440
» Year ago. It was a year ago,
>> but it's an environmental

801
01:01:56,240 --> 01:02:01,599
the EAC meeting
>> in this meeting that the environmental

802
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:02,880
advisory committee had a nice
presentation.

803
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:04,640
» Okay.
>> And you would

804
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:08,480
» Oh. Oh, okay.
>> multiple points that you were committed

805
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:13,680
to
like that.

806
01:02:11,359 --> 01:02:19,280
» Oh, you are you talking?
>> Oh, the Yeah, that I worked on that

807
01:02:16,319 --> 01:02:22,000
plan. The climate action plan. Yes. Yes.
Okay.

808
01:02:20,079 --> 01:02:28,000
» But it was a meeting where a truck was
purchased and we [clears throat] were

809
01:02:23,599 --> 01:02:33,280
told it wasn't green and kind of it was
just unfortunate in in the timing that

810
01:02:31,359 --> 01:02:35,680
but I appreciate what you said Dana that
you leave with green and vote there.

811
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:39,599
» Yes.
>> Well, and you just read that both of the

812
01:02:37,839 --> 01:02:42,240
those that got in and the thing next
thing we're going to approve they've

813
01:02:41,119 --> 01:02:47,520
discontinued the
>> Well, the next thing is a hybrid.

814
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:50,079
It's just not a fully green electric
vehicle.

815
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:53,440
» The ne the next vehicle we're approving.
>> Yeah, the the the next vehicle is a

816
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:56,319
hybrid. the intersection
>> which is where we've been moving.

817
01:02:55,359 --> 01:02:58,960
» Right. Good.
>> So, it's half and half.

818
01:02:57,280 --> 01:03:02,079
» Good. Perfect timing. I'm glad you're
here.

819
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:04,000
» Um, all right. The next one. I move that
we authorize the purchase.

820
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:06,240
» I don't think we have
>> Oh. Oh, no. All in favor?

821
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:09,280
» I
>> I

822
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:14,319
» um I move that we authorize the purchase
of a 2027 Ford police interceptor

823
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:19,760
utility vehicle
uh from Chapman Fleet and Government in

824
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:26,559
the amount of $47,34.
Price includes co-stars discount PA

825
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:33,799
Co-Star plus uplifting from CKD Tyron
Tyron's Emergency Vehicle Uplifting Inc.

826
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:33,799
in the amount of 20,82627.

827
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:39,520
Oh god, seven.
>> All in favor?

828
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:42,240
» I
>> I think that's it.

829
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:46,240
» Okay.
>> Um is there any more public comments?

830
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:52,480
Um, one thing you want to note is that
we did start at 4:45

831
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:57,359
for um, an executive session.
>> Oh, that's right. We had executive

832
01:03:54,160 --> 01:04:00,960
session to discuss um, litigation.
>> Mhm.

833
01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:06,599
» And that's it.
>> Yeah. Thank you.

834
01:04:03,599 --> 01:04:06,599
» Public,

835
01:04:10,799 --> 01:04:18,960
» not conversation, comment.
Two months ago, I spoke when you denied

836
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:24,160
me the right to be on this committee. I
hesitate. I've watched the whole thing.

837
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:27,680
I think Can I ask you why none of that
was in the minutes?

838
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:30,960
» I I'm not I'm not going to have this
conversation with you, Mike.

839
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:34,480
» I'm asking you a very basic question.
You're supposed to put Why wouldn't you

840
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:38,799
put that in the minutes? I want you on
the record.

841
01:04:35,359 --> 01:04:43,760
» Okay. On the record, I denied my I I
personally voted against it because of

842
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:48,240
Where did Craig go?
>> Well, I you know I mean how many times

843
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:51,280
ways do we have to say
>> minutes are in a transcript and not

844
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:54,799
saying
>> posted? I don't think so.

845
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:57,440
» All our minutes are posted.
>> I don't think so.

846
01:04:56,240 --> 01:05:00,960
» All our minutes.
>> All of the board of supervisors minutes

847
01:04:59,599 --> 01:05:04,000
should be posted.
>> Well, can you look? I don't think it was

848
01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:06,480
ever in there. The denial.
>> Maybe it's not in there. We'll have to

849
01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:08,559
go back and look.
>> Well, I you know, I look.

850
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:11,760
» Okay.
>> Now, are you going to put in

851
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:14,480
» We'll go on the website and all the
minutes.

852
01:05:12,319 --> 01:05:17,839
» The board can't go back and and and
change minutes from months ago.

853
01:05:16,319 --> 01:05:20,000
» Let's have the discussion now so we can
put it on.

854
01:05:18,319 --> 01:05:22,880
» I'm not having the discussion.
>> Hey, Mike.

855
01:05:20,799 --> 01:05:28,079
» I'm not having the discussion. It's
under it's under litigation.

856
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:32,799
It's not under litigation. My reason is
is because of litigate of the attack.

857
01:05:30,799 --> 01:05:34,960
» This is public this is public comment.
This is public comment.

858
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:36,640
» That's it. So,
>> you know, if you're going to be I'll

859
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:40,960
just
>> I mean, keep talking, but I'm telling

860
01:05:38,559 --> 01:05:44,400
you, I'm not going to comment a lawyer
and ask you for it. I really

861
01:05:42,079 --> 01:05:48,240
» I'm not going to comment on it.
>> We're going to have the zoning hearing

862
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:52,559
board decision in two weeks,
>> couple months ago.

863
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:57,039
» Yeah, that's wrong.
>> I don't think it was June, though. I'm

864
01:05:54,880 --> 01:06:02,400
just trying I I see. I'm just curious.
>> Yeah, I don't remember all there.

865
01:06:00,559 --> 01:06:05,359
» Thank you all for coming to the meeting.
>> Anybody else? Oh, I'm sorry. You're not

866
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:09,119
finished. Go ahead.
>> I'm just asking to check and see and I'm

867
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:10,240
just wondering why. I mean, you have an
obligation.

868
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:14,240
» I told you.
>> I don't know. We have all the minutes.

869
01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:17,760
I'm not going to talk about it.
>> Questioning your decision. I'm asking

870
01:06:16,079 --> 01:06:21,839
that it be posted. So, you're on the
record for denying me that and how you

871
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:24,960
operate for people who speak.
>> That's what I want. That's all.

872
01:06:23,119 --> 01:06:29,520
» Yeah. I don't think I think when we
voted on the board, we had a lot of

873
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:34,319
really wonderful people that applied for
that board, but I don't think we voted

874
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:38,720
on why we didn't want someone on there.
We just voted on who should be

875
01:06:35,839 --> 01:06:42,400
» on board agree. We weren't voting. That
was my my choice. I gave my choice.

876
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:44,720
» You guys are You guys have a
disagreement and you're not going to

877
01:06:43,839 --> 01:06:46,799
work it out tonight?
>> No, I'm not asking.

878
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:50,880
» And we're not and we're not going to
work it out in the public meeting.

879
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:55,039
» You know, that's all I'm asking.
>> Yeah. If if we're going to we'll look

880
01:06:53,039 --> 01:06:59,119
back. Lori has a transcript, but I don't
think we had a reason on why we wanted

881
01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:01,920
or didn't want to.
>> She said the reason was because I

882
01:07:01,119 --> 01:07:06,400
challen
>> I explicitly asked why Maggie was

883
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:12,720
denying Mike the right to be on the
board or for being on for exercising his

884
01:07:09,039 --> 01:07:14,880
legal right to challenge zoning. Um, and
and

885
01:07:13,119 --> 01:07:18,960
» you're actually talking about a we're
we're in a we

886
01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:22,000
we're in a lawsuit over this right now.
And you're talking about

887
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:26,400
» No, we're not we're not in a lawsuit.
It's a challenge at the zoning hearing

888
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:32,400
board. Okay. And Craig has advised us
not to discuss this because

889
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:37,119
the zoning hearing board is going to
issue their decision

890
01:07:35,839 --> 01:07:39,920
» next week. [clears throat] The next week
or the week after.

891
01:07:38,799 --> 01:07:43,920
» That's not the issue.
>> Yes, it is. It's not the issue. You have

892
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:47,119
a right to speak out and be heard and
recorded. That's all it is.

893
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:51,039
» I'm not suing you.
>> And you didn't do it.

894
01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:55,520
» I won't even get into the essay. Hey,
that's You haven't even done that. I'm

895
01:07:52,319 --> 01:07:58,799
not going there.
>> So, are you are you going to do that or

896
01:07:57,119 --> 01:08:05,200
not? That's all I want to know.
>> I would I would advise the board not to

897
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:10,559
go back and redo minutes. Minutes are a
general thing in a recording of, you

898
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:15,200
know, of of decisions of financial
things of we just bought a police car.

899
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:19,440
We just did that.
>> I'm not commenting on it.

900
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:24,640
» So, are we are we Mike?
>> You have your answer. I'm not commenting

901
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:29,920
on it. Anybody else in the audience? You
you hear my answer and you can think of

902
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:34,560
me what you will. I'm not commenting on
it. It's an issue before the My reason

903
01:08:32,480 --> 01:08:38,080
is an issue before the zoning hearing
board. We're not We're not commenting on

904
01:08:36,480 --> 01:08:41,759
it.
It's legal.

905
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:46,640
» You have an obligation to post.
>> Oh, for God's sakes. Shut up. [laughter]

906
01:08:45,279 --> 01:08:49,839
» It was me.
>> Okay.

907
01:08:47,199 --> 01:08:52,480
» You You just constantly TAKE OVER THIS
WHOLE MEETING.

908
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:54,239
» She said she's not going to comment.
She's not going to comment. I'll sit

909
01:08:53,759 --> 01:08:58,159
down.
>> It's public comment. Yeah. It's not

910
01:08:56,400 --> 01:09:01,679
supervisor comment. In fact, I think
we're we're wrapping up this meeting and

911
01:09:00,719 --> 01:09:04,400
we have some uh
>> the conversation

912
01:09:02,480 --> 01:09:08,000
» we have some legal issues to discuss.
>> The conversation was that Maggie wanted

913
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:13,120
me to be on the Department of Recreation
Board and she mentioned why she did and

914
01:09:10,799 --> 01:09:17,520
it was never posted and I asked him why.
>> But this is this is here. No, this is

915
01:09:15,279 --> 01:09:21,679
hearsay from Mike. If Maggie says
something to Mike and then Mike runs to

916
01:09:19,359 --> 01:09:27,199
you, that's not our problem. You guys
have to work that out. Mike, we don't

917
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:30,400
know what Mike hears. Craig could shake.
>> He wasn't It's not even part of it.

918
01:09:29,839 --> 01:09:34,239
» What's that?
>> You're not part of this.

919
01:09:31,839 --> 01:09:37,759
» Yeah, he said he told Mike told him.
That's what he's saying.

920
01:09:35,759 --> 01:09:40,480
» Mike told him something that we had in
it.

921
01:09:38,799 --> 01:09:43,480
» Videap
tell

922
01:09:47,679 --> 01:09:51,839
the videape.
>> Anybody? Okay. I'm going to close the

923
01:09:50,960 --> 01:09:54,239
meeting
>> and we're going into

924
01:09:52,799 --> 01:09:58,960
» Did you have your hand up?
Yeah, I just had a question. As someone

925
01:09:56,320 --> 01:10:00,880
new to these meetings, is that
>> Daniel can get up and tell Lori your

926
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:04,400
name?
>> Tell you have to tell Lori your your

927
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:10,080
name and address right here. Give it to
>> Hi, I'm Patricia Smallcom, 2590 Furlong

928
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:13,199
Road, Doylestown. Uh, just a question.
Is public comment recorded in the

929
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:15,760
minutes?
>> Yes.

930
01:10:13,679 --> 01:10:17,920
» Yes. Okay. So, it's not just decisions,
it's also public comment.

931
01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:22,560
» It's public.
>> Yes. But it's not minutes are not

932
01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:28,400
transcripts. It's It's not like having a
court reporter. So, not you know, it's

933
01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:30,239
you you record the general,
>> you know,

934
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:32,960
» technically you only have to do action
items.

935
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:36,880
» Yeah. We don't even have to do that. We
do a little bit more than we have to

936
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:40,000
because it's good for people to be able
to go back and read and they get a

937
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:40,719
little bit more out of it.
>> Thank you.

938
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:44,400
» Yeah.
>> Yeah. Okay.

939
01:10:42,320 --> 01:10:49,600
» All right. I'm going to make a motion
that we close the business meeting and

940
01:10:46,719 --> 01:10:51,840
go back and have an executive session to
discuss litigation.

941
01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:57,199
» Second.
>> Okay. Questions, comments? All in favor?

942
01:10:56,320 --> 01:11:01,600
» Thank you for coming.
>> Thank you.

943
01:10:59,440 --> 01:11:01,600
God.