[0:00] Ham Township Board of Supervisors
meeting to order and we will open with
[0:07] pledge of allegiance.
[0:12] » I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America [clears throat]
[0:17] and to the republic for which it stands.
One nation under God, indivisible, with
[0:23] liberty and justice for all.
>> [clears throat]
[0:27] » Okay, Madam Chairman, I hope you will
indulge me for a moment, but
[0:32] » indulge me too much.
>> Yeah, I have a statement I want to make
[0:35] because I anticipate that there's a lot
of people out here because of this issue
[0:38] tonight. I know some of you are here
because of Shannon Sticker and Mike and
[0:43] the Democratic Club have asked you to
come out and ask for my resignation. I
[0:47] am not going to resign. I look forward
to defending my neighbors for the next
[0:52] three years. Litigation and neighbor
complaint from Devonshshire neighborhood
[0:58] is nothing new. Right here
I have 43 pages of complaints from
[1:05] neighbors and the township. What is new
is that the owners of preserved
[1:10] properties
want to break their conservation
[1:13] easements destroying Buckingham
Township's open space program. Why would
[1:19] anyone want to be a part of that?
The personal attacks show me that some
[1:25] will do anything to protect their
illegal issues. Because of ongoing
[1:29] litigation at Commonwealth Court, it
would be inappropriate for anyone in
[1:34] this board to comment on this litigation
at this time. Thank you so much.
[1:39] » Okay. Um so we open our meeting with
public comment and as it says on the
[1:45] agenda um we have 30 minutes of public
comment and at and whatever whoever
[1:53] wants to speak we start our meeting and
then we can continue with public comment
[1:58] at the end of our business meeting. So
there are a lot of people in the room
[2:03] and I suspect a lot of people who want
to speak. So, be thinking about being
[2:08] courteous to the other people that want
to speak and uh say your your comment
[2:14] and um make sure there's time for other
people to speak too. So, we'll start and
[2:19] it's a couple minutes after 7, so we'll
go to 8:35
[2:24] and then we'll start our business
meeting if need be.
[2:28] So, um, get up, go to the mic if you
have something to that you want to
[2:32] share, and make sure that Lori gets your
name and your address, which you'll have
[2:37] your comments in in the minutes.
[2:43] I will don't be shy. Hi, Lori.
>> Hi, Stephanie Wiser, 38 way. And I um
[2:51] would like to second what Shannon and
Mike uh Shannon Ste both said. I would
[2:57] like to see you resign with John. I was
also um canvasing with Mike when you
[3:04] sent that letter out to the your
Republican friend I guess in Deire and
[3:09] it was very upsetting because we knew it
was a lie and um I don't know if anybody
[3:14] has read the apology that was posted on
Facebook that uh John Doris was required
[3:20] to post um but he admitted to a number
of lies that he um wrote and sent to pe
[3:29] certain people in a certain community
that um and he was sued for defamation
[3:36] and he lost he went to a settlement. I
don't want to say anything that isn't
[3:41] correct as far as uh legally, but from
what I understand, you were sued. You
[3:47] you settled. You had to pay a large fine
because they found you I I guess you had
[3:53] to settle because they found you guilty
in and in regard of taking care of or
[4:00] with regard to taking care of the people
here in Buckingham. I think it's
[4:04] important for us to have faith in our
board and to believe that when our board
[4:10] of supervisors says certain things that
they are speaking the truth. And so from
[4:15] now on, John, how many more years do you
have? every time you open your mouth,
[4:19] are we going to believe what you're
saying or do we have to question it and
[4:22] to think that you are being politically
motivated? Because that's what it will
[4:26] sound like to me. Thank you. Um I do
want to say I did have another point to
[4:31] make about something else all together.
>> Do I do that now or do you want me?
[4:38] » Okay. So the next thing I'd like to
bring up which is really very important
[4:42] to me is um the lack of transparency
with the board. So, I brought this up
[4:47] the last time and what I'm looking to
see and I was told it will be on the new
[4:52] website whenever that is. We will be
seeing agendas from every single
[4:56] commission and committee and we will
also be seeing minutes. Now, I was at
[5:01] the planning commission meeting with
Luke and I asked why is there a no
[5:08] agenda and b no minutes being taken and
I was told not by Luke but by the other
[5:13] planning commission people that they
didn't have to take minutes that it
[5:17] wasn't required and that there was no
need and people wouldn't actually and
[5:21] this was the other part wouldn't
understand
[5:25] what was being said at the meeting
because they had been clued in all
[5:29] along.
I found it offensive, but more
[5:33] importantly,
I want to see the minutes from all of
[5:37] our commissions and [clears throat] all
of our committees posted on the website.
[5:40] I noticed today, this is the first time
that I've noticed it, that all of the
[5:45] committees and the commissions that have
sent in minutes are actually listed that
[5:50] you're going to approve. And now we,
your constituents, would like to see
[5:55] those minutes and be able to read them.
prior to a meeting, I would like to see
[5:59] an agenda posted on our website for all
of the commissions and committees and um
[6:07] that's pretty much we have we have
commissions.
[6:11] I think I think that's part of the
Sunshine Act here in Pennsylvania.
[6:16] » Yeah, the planning commission does
>> the planning commission does I guess. Is
[6:21] she talking about the work session for
the comprehensive plan? So that is not
[6:26] that is not your monthly planning
commission meaning you're talking about
[6:29] the comprehensive plan work sessions but
uh but we do you know our boards and
[6:35] commissions are all volunteers and when
we receive their agendas we have them
[6:40] here and when we receive their minutes
we bring them to the board after they've
[6:44] approved them at the next meeting.
Sometimes we don't get them. Sometimes
[6:48] we don't get the you know the other the
board of auditors minutes. We when we
[6:54] get them we we have them and we can
provide any minutes that you want. They
[6:59] are all
>> here. You've got them where you have
[7:02] them. I want to see them on the website.
>> You're saying post I think she's saying
[7:05] she can't read them.
>> The second point that I'd like to make
[7:09] is I understand that they're volunteers,
EAC volunteers. They take comprehensive
[7:14] minutes. I think when people
apply to be on a commission, it should
[7:20] be made clear to them that they need to
take minutes. That that is part of the
[7:26] requirements of a commission in this
township that they be transparent that
[7:31] what goes on in a commission meeting is
available for people who are not able to
[7:36] be there um to be able to read and see
that. And I understand it's volunteers.
[7:42] there are, you know, people do a lot of
volunteers. The boards are pretty much
[7:45] volunteers, but um I think that it's
important and I think you can make a lot
[7:50] of excuses why it's happened, but I do
notice that since I've been complaining
[7:55] now all of the commissions that are
being approved are listed here on the
[8:00] agenda.
>> Well, and and that's what happened. You
[8:02] asked and we listed them.
>> I asked last time as well. So, okay,
[8:06] Dana, I get what you're saying and I
don't and I am upset about it because I
[8:11] feel like sometimes we get pregnant. I
really do.
[8:14] » Is there a reason we can't put approved
minutes on the website?
[8:18] » They are on the website,
aren't they?
[8:21] » They have to be tell that's my question.
I mean, I thought they were all once
[8:26] they're approved, they're posted.
>> You can't put unapproved minutes on a
[8:29] website.
>> You can't put unapproved.
[8:30] » Correct. It's illegal.
>> And you have to give them to us
[8:34] » in the next meeting. and then there's 10
to you and then they're approved and
[8:37] then they should be posted. So look on
the website
[8:42] here's
[laughter and clears throat]
[8:45] minutes on
>> if EAC would like their minutes on the
[8:50] minutes when they get we can put them on
the website but but [clears throat]
[8:56] » okay
>> only one who's ever had an issue
[9:04] » Alison Zimmer 864 Green Meadow
furong.
[9:10] I'm here tonight to ask John Forest to
resign as Buckingham Township
[9:13] Supervisor. I want to be very clear
about why I'm making this request. Um,
[9:19] this is not about political parties. Um,
it's about whether it's not about
[9:23] whether someone agrees with his position
on a particular issue and it's not about
[9:27] punishing someone for making a mistake.
To me, it's about trust. Mr. Forest has
[9:32] now publicly acknowledged that in 23 he
published and distributed a political
[9:36] flyer containing multiple false claims
about Freighick's farm. These were not
[9:41] vague statements. In his own public
apology, Mr. Forest acknowledges that he
[9:46] falsely accused Freighick's farm of
corruption and quit quote quote
[9:48] behavior. He acknowledges that the
conversations he relied upon for those
[9:53] accusations never happened. He
acknowledges that he falsely claimed
[9:56] that Mr. Baitman attended a hearing to
support Bix's farm and offered to defend
[10:01] them in exchange for electoral support.
>> He further acknowledges that he falsely
[10:05] claimed a conversation occurred at
another hearing in which people
[10:09] supposedly said that they needed to wait
for the election to be over and
[10:12] everything would go away.
According to Mr. Forest own apology,
[10:17] these statements were never made. And
perhaps most importantly, Mr. Forest
[10:21] acknowledges that it was a lapse in
judgment to agree and share such a
[10:24] flyer.
That statement should concern every
[10:28] resident of Buckingham Township as well
as business owner because the
[10:32] responsibility of an elected official is
not merely to have an opinion. An
[10:37] elected official has a responsibility to
exercise judgment, to seek the truth,
[10:43] and to be careful with the reputation of
the people and businesses they serve.
[10:48] They serve.
Political speech can be passionate.
[10:52] Political disagreements can be fierce.
But there is a fundamental difference
[10:57] between criticizing someone's actions
and publicly making factual accusations
[11:02] that have not been verified. The people
of Buckingham Township deserve elected
[11:06] officials who understand that
difference. Mr. Por's apology is
[11:10] appropriate and appreciate that that he
has acknowledged what he did and
[11:14] apologized to Cray Farm. But an apology
does not automatically restore the
[11:19] public trust that was lost.
When [clears throat] an elected official
[11:25] uses his position and his political
influence to distribute serious
[11:28] allegations that he now admits admits
are false, the question becomes whether
[11:33] the public can continue to have
confidence in his judgment.
[11:38] If an employee made a serious accusation
about someone without verifying whether
[11:43] or not it was true, we would expect
accountability. If a business leader did
[11:47] the same thing, we would question their
judgment. And when an elected official
[11:51] does it, the standard should not be
lower. It should be higher. Our
[11:55] supervisors make decisions that affect
taxpayers, businesses, property owners,
[11:59] and the entire community. We need to
know that when they speak, they are
[12:03] dealing in facts. We need to know
[clears throat] that when they make
[12:08] accusations, they have verified them.
And we need to know that their political
[12:11] motivations will never outweigh their
obligations to act responsibility
[12:16] to act responsibly.
Mr. Forest has admitted that he failed
[12:20] that responsibility in in this instance.
[clears throat] For that reason, I
[12:24] respect respectfully call upon John
Forest to resign. This is not about
[12:29] vengeance. It's not about account. It's
about accountability. It's about the
[12:33] integrity of public office. And most
importantly, it's about restoring the
[12:37] trust that an elected official must have
in order to effectively serve the
[12:41] people. Buckingham Township deserves
leaders who understand these that the
[12:45] truth matters and especially when it's
politically inconvenient.
[12:50] [applause]
[12:57] » Amen.
[13:02] » Jeff Glober, 4710 Twin Brook Circle. Um
I also call on Mr. Forest to resign, but
[13:09] do I believe he's going to resign? No.
Um, I call on the board to take a censor
[13:15] uh to issue a censor um
resolution tonight condoning the
[13:22] behavior. Okay. It requires two votes. I
would ask anybody who's voting to please
[13:29] state why they're voting in favor of
doing that or against doing that. Okay?
[13:34] We need to go on the record that this is
unacceptable. Okay? lying to
[13:38] constituency is inappropriate and the
board cannot accept that. Okay, plain
[13:44] and simple. So, please take that vote.
[13:52] » Someone else.
[13:58] » My name is Ravi Bala. I'm a new resident
of the township and I'm not very
[14:03] experienced at doing this in this public
forum. So, forgive me if I stumble.
[14:07] I have a question. I wonder if I can
address it to the township solicitor.
[14:14] Um, are there minimum ethical standards
for people that serve on the board of
[14:18] supervisors?
>> There's ethical standards for every
[14:21] public official
>> and do those ethical standards require
[14:25] honesty.
>> The cannons of ethics are uh there's
[14:30] actually a board in Pennsylvania that
administers the ethical code. Um, and in
[14:36] this instance,
>> you have to you have to reference that.
[14:38] » In this instance, you've got a member of
the board that's come back and said, I
[14:46] assume that this was a violation of the
ethical standards.
[14:49] » I don't know that.
>> How would you know that?
[14:52] » But you'd look it up and I have to go
look it up and I haven't looked it up.
[14:55] » And would you look it up? And would you
be able to report that into the next
[14:57] meeting?
>> I can certainly let my client, the
[15:00] board, know.
>> Okay. And I would ask the board
[15:03] chairman, would you make sure that this
this investigation happens? And we try
[15:08] to at least get a reading on whether the
ethical standards have been violated in
[15:12] this instance.
>> And the solicitor says there are minimal
[15:16] ethical standards.
>> I'm happy to look it up. I suspect they
[15:19] aren't, but I'm happy
>> I would. And and would you make that
[15:22] public?
>> That's up to the board. The board is my
[15:25] client. I [clears throat]
>> completely completely understand that. I
[15:29] think I think that is that is that is
great response and I would I would hope
[15:33] that in the next meeting by the next
meeting we have that kind of an
[15:36] investigation and you come back and say
here are the standards that we looked at
[15:40] here is how this is a violation or not a
violation.
[15:43] » What what he'll look up he'll look up
the standards
[15:47] » there was there this this member Mr.
Forest from what the articles that I've
[15:52] read has acknowledged that he's made
false statements. He lied and he's
[15:58] acknowledged that.
So is lying a violation of the ethical
[16:02] standards and if there are violations of
ethical standards, what are the
[16:06] consequences and how does board act on
it? I mean this this is something that
[16:09] we all need to be working.
>> Okay. Thank you.
[16:13] » Well, we have all the details down your
of your uh question.
[16:17] » Thank you.
>> Yeah.
[16:20] Next.
[16:24] Hello, Paul Caldero 3670 Queen Ridge
Road. Um, I kind of feel we're in a
[16:32] remake since we have a director in the
room. I feel like we're in a remake of
[16:35] Casablanca.
Like there's gambling going on in this
[16:39] establishment. I'm sorry. I find it very
hypocritical. Let Let me see. Let's
[16:44] Let's talk about being dishonest. Um,
Stephanie, when you got up here, you
[16:49] were shocked about the dishonesty, quote
unquote. I wonder if it's dishonest if a
[16:54] member of the board were to do something
to their house without getting approval
[16:58] from the township. Is that dishonest to
ask all of us to do something that
[17:02] you're not willing to do yourself? Is
that dishonest? Is it dishonest to say
[17:07] during a campaign, oh, we're going to
there there's something going to be
[17:10] built here when it's not going to be
built here. Is that dishonest? The
[17:13] amount of hypocrisy, and by the way, I'm
a human being. I'm guilty of hypocrisy
[17:18] myself, but I just find it funny about
we get on our high horse about being
[17:22] dishonest when the people that you
support do the same thing. The said the
[17:27] other thing is this. Um I know one
thing, deeds and actions. I know one
[17:32] thing. John Forest for 20 years as
supervisor longer than that as a
[17:37] constable.
His acts as supervisor, let me think.
[17:41] Um, AAA Township, one of the only three
in the state, lowest townships in Bucks
[17:46] County, the one of the top staff around.
Um, I'm sorry, why do we all live here?
[17:51] I know if it was a crappy place to live,
we would not live here. So, John, your
[17:55] actions speak loud enough. And in case
anybody didn't remember, we have a
[18:00] lawsuit
with a particular farm, okay, that's
[18:04] been going on for a reason, okay? They
are not pure as the wind driven snow.
[18:11] Please forgive me when when you get a
million dollars.
[18:16] Sorry, I'm a tired very passionate. When
you get a million dollars to preserve
[18:20] your property and you don't want to do
the things that you took that money for,
[18:24] THAT'S AN ISSUE. THAT'S DISHONESTY.
That's all I've got to say. Thank you,
[18:28] JOHN. [applause]
[18:34] » HI, good evening. My name is James
Seabourg. I live at 4683 Bradley Court
[18:39] in Doylestown. I had a question about
the vehicles that are being approved and
[18:44] I guess Maggie I would start with you
about the um environmental committee.
[18:48] Have these been vetted by the
subcommittee. Are these because I
[18:51] remember before so we had a great
evening about the environmental action
[18:57] group um not not approving a truck or
not recommending a truck after we said
[19:03] we were going to put in all of these
standards. I [clears throat] wondered if
[19:06] these are green vehicles or energy
efficient vehicles.
[19:10] » They were not vetted by the EAC
and I don't believe that they are all
[19:16] green vehicles.
>> No,
[19:18] » they are all green vehicles.
>> They are not all green vehicles.
[19:21] » I I guess um going back to the theme of
tonight, we need to be putting action
[19:26] behind our words.
>> They are police vehicles.
[19:29] » Huh? They're both
>> vehicles. Police vehicles. There are
[19:32] green There are green emergency vehicles
in other municipalities.
[19:37] » Uh there are and we we do have a green
vehicle for our fire marshall and our
[19:43] emergency management coordinator. Um
since we have fleet vehicles in our uh
[19:49] department uh our police department,
they have requested that we stay with
[19:53] the the ones that are pursuit rated and
um that follow you know that follow with
[20:00] that.
>> Okay. Well, I'd like to see us go green.
[20:04] Um,
>> I think we've done a lot to go green
[20:07] here in the township.
>> I'm sorry.
[20:09] » We We have done a lot to go green here
in the township.
[20:12] » I'm not disputing that, but I remember
that night when the disappointment was
[20:18] when we purchased the vehicle for the
township and it wasn't green. I'm just
[20:22] expressing my point and I have no other
say than that. So, um, the only other
[20:26] thing I will say, I'm a former reporter
and I think we better pay really close
[20:30] attention to the sunshine law because
there are other municipalities that have
[20:34] gotten in trouble for not posting
agendas ahead of time.
[20:39] Just be careful. And then the last thing
I would say is, John, I'm really
[20:43] disappointed in you. And I when I first
moved to the township, you were very
[20:47] kind. When we met you at full greeting,
I didn't know who you are. Um, and it
[20:53] didn't matter. You were kind to us, but
I'm really disappointed in the choices
[20:58] that you've made, and I really wish you
would think twice about continuing to
[21:04] serve. Thank you.
[applause]
[21:13] » Bruce Bell 3703, Burnhouse. Um, John,
I'd like to ask a question. So, I
[21:17] support you. Yes. Okay. Sorry.
>> I support everybody here that's calling
[21:21] for your resignation. What I'd like to
understand is in your statement when you
[21:25] started, you referenced 47 pages of
complaints from neighbors who you're
[21:32] supposed to represent. You're supposed
to be looking out for their best
[21:37] interests. And I don't understand why
whatever that dispute is with them would
[21:42] justify or constitute you committing
ethical violations. In my opinion, they
[21:47] were ethical violations. I'm with you on
that. and lying. What does that have to
[21:54] do with the 47 pages of complaints you
have? I don't need to know what the
[21:58] complaints are, but I'd like to
understand the cause and connection. I'm
[22:02] » going to step in here. The 47 complaints
are also exhibits in the ongoing lawsuit
[22:06] that's going on in
>> I don't care.
[22:09] » I know you don't care, but I don't
understand.
[22:11] » I'm not going to argue with you. I'm not
arguing with you. Okay. I'm just telling
[22:13] the board that they shouldn't get
engaged in those discussions while I was
[22:16] on.
>> I want to understand what 47 pages of
[22:19] complaints about from from residents has
anything to do with John feeling that
[22:23] that gives him the right look that gives
him the right
[22:28] » to lie
>> to his constituents in this township.
[22:32] That's what I'd like to understand. I'd
like an answer to that.
[22:35] » If you want to look at the 47
complaints, you can go to the courthouse
[22:39] and you can look at the exhibits that
are part of the ongoing
[22:41] » No, I want to know what complaints have
to do with
[22:45] » him lying
>> to constituents
[22:48] » why he felt that it was acceptable if I
complain about somebody
[22:53] » that doesn't give them the right to turn
around and lie to other people
[22:59] so I'd like an answer on that is there
something that could be provided now or
[23:02] or at the next meeting or in writing to
>> no our visit presidents
[23:08] » so you have no explanation for lying is
acceptable when there's complaints
[23:14] Okay,
>> advising you guys not to get into that.
[23:17] Thank you.
>> You know, I've been a resident here 30
[23:20] years, never felt the need to come here,
and I'm appalled by how residents of
[23:25] this township are being treated by the
people they're supposed to represent.
[23:29] » Amen.
>> I really [applause]
[23:33] I mean, you speak down to people, you
know, Jane just came up and said, "Hey,
[23:37] I'd like to talk about environmental
vehicles. I'd like to talk about green."
[23:41] And Dana, you turn around. But we do a
lot of stuff for green. Okay. That
[23:45] doesn't explain what Jane's question
was. You guys connect in things that
[23:50] don't connect. Thank you.
[24:01] » Chris [clears throat] Taylor, 409
Hillrest.
[24:05] moved here 28 years ago
for a couple of reasons. John's been a
[24:11] great steward of this community, this
township for every year we've been here.
[24:17] People do make mistakes.
The other thing is when it comes to
[24:21] civil lawsuits, people settle for
different reasons and it's not always
[24:25] because it's on the far end of the
spectrum that's being portrayed.
[24:30] So, I just ask people to kind of
understand that, too. It's probably
[24:33] somewhere in the middle.
Right. So that's all
[24:37] » Chris. My first my first lawsuit in 64
years scared the hell out of me.
[24:45] » Y
>> thank you for your service.
[24:47] » Yeah. Thank you, sir.
>> Thank you. [applause]
[24:55] » Anybody else?
No.
[25:02] Hello. Um Lisa Bro, 3352 Darpalo Road.
Um first I wanted to start with um I
[25:09] wanted to thank um the township and the
public works, police, fire um for the
[25:17] Buckingham Night Market. Um I don't know
if any of you guys attend it. Um but it
[25:21] was really um an amazing night of
community seeing people come together um
[25:27] and seeing all these local businesses um
be supported and just overall teamwork.
[25:32] Um I got a lot of compliments of people
saying it was really nice to see
[25:36] volunteers, township, police, fire all
working together um to do something for
[25:42] the community. And I know the parks and
recck got a lot of feedback um from just
[25:47] people sending us emails saying that
they were um super, you know, just happy
[25:52] about it and want to see more of that.
Um
[25:56] Maggie and John, I didn't I don't know
if you guys were there. I didn't have a
[25:59] chance to see you guys there, but I was
curious.
[26:04] Um
>> we never heard I didn't hear like I know
[26:07] as commission we didn't hear anything
from you guys. So, I was curious if you
[26:10] guys had any feedback
>> from the evening.
[26:14] » I think I think Dana shared
>> I shared it with Louise
[26:17] » most of the feedback um and with Louise
and with you.
[26:22] » Okay. So, what is that feedback? I'd
love to hear it.
[26:25] » Well, I got an email from um
[clears throat]
[26:29] uh
>> Pine Run. They brought a busload of
[26:33] people that were coming because they
don't drive and they thought they were
[26:36] coming to a a farmers market and they
were disappointed because they saw a
[26:43] booth with some tomatoes and couple
heads of lettuce and you know that was
[26:48] about it for that kind of thing. But I
also know that you're you know it's the
[26:53] first it was the first one you're you're
working on. I said they said you know
[26:57] better better luck next year. they'll
come back next year. So,
[27:02] » okay.
>> You know, I mean, and I and I was there
[27:04] for a while and looked around and and I
I honestly I had a different impression
[27:10] of what it was going to be. I thought it
was going to be more
[27:13] » more farm,
you know, produce and stuff like that.
[27:17] But, you know,
>> it's to that point um it's exciting. We
[27:24] have nonsuch that'll be joining us next
time. Uh Slack Farm is joining us. when
[27:29] the garden farm is joining us. So
>> good. And to be fair, we do uh they did
[27:34] publish a list of all of the vendors
that are there.
[27:37] » Well, I'm just I'm just telling you what
I heard. I I don't have a comment. I
[27:43] mean, I knew it was the first one and
you're going to do the next one and
[27:46] everyone's a learning experience. So,
>> and it's not supervisor comment, but
[27:51] I'll say the same thing that my
neighbors in Buck Springs were
[27:54] disappointed that there wasn't more farm
markets there cuz they think that's what
[27:58] it was. That's what the public was told
that it was going to be.
[28:02] » But that sounds like
>> So, we can agree then that the public
[28:05] wants a farmers market.
>> They do want a farmers market.
[28:08] » Okay. Cuz you once said that we
shouldn't have a farmers market.
[28:11] [laughter]
[28:13] » You guys both did, actually. [applause]
You know what, Lisa?
[28:18] » I'm not saying that, Lisa.
>> We're talking about the night market and
[28:21] I'm trying to be encouraging.
>> I'm just saying you guys I literally
[28:25] » That's a different story what we talked
about before about a farmers market. You
[28:31] didn't want one. But now you're saying
the community wants us to have
[28:33] » No, I didn't say that. I said they
showed up at the night market.
[28:39] » You know what? This is It's fine.
>> You have a nice night market. This is
[28:43] work because there's somebody wants to
speak behind you
[28:46] » and you know
>> I'm still not I'm still not done.
[28:49] » What else? What else? What's your
comment?
[28:51] » Yeah. [clears throat]
>> Um so this is to you John directly. Um I
[28:56] just want to express um as a fellow
farmer um just my disappointment. I
[29:02] don't know um how low you have to be to
do that to another farming business in
[29:10] our community. Um, I don't know how you
make that decision that that was the
[29:16] right thing to do.
>> Um, and it's deeply disappointing. And I
[29:20] think you've you've sent a message loud
and clear that you
[29:24] you you don't have farmers backs to do
that for your own political gain.
[29:30] » Are you Is that not true?
[clears throat]
[29:35] » You didn't You didn't do that for your
own political gain.
[29:39] » I don't know. You're nodding. Sorry.
Just keep talking, Lisa. Yeah, you you
[29:44] » keep talking. You got a few more
minutes.
[29:46] » Okay, we have we have
>> I just want to reiterate that it's very
[29:50] disappointing. Um and I think again as a
first generation farmer, you guys do not
[29:56] make it feel like we are welcomed. Um
and just this action for what you did,
[30:02] like it it just does not sit right. And
I just want to say it really disappoints
[30:06] me. Um, and I do ask that I know you're
the chair of the ASA and you should step
[30:12] off of that. Um, or not be the
government liaison for that. Um, you
[30:17] clearly do not care about it. Um, you
did not provide an agenda. We do not
[30:20] have minutes. We approved something even
and there's no record of that. Um, you
[30:26] clearly don't want to have any more
meetings to discuss that or even approve
[30:29] our minutes. So, is that something
you're willing to do?
[30:33] » I provided minutes for the last meeting
we have.
[30:36] Where are they?
>> Well, thank
[30:40] » Don't they have to be approved?
>> Yeah. Like, yeah.
[30:43] » Well, I'm on that commission and I've
seen no minutes. I've seen no agenda.
[30:47] » Let me check. Thank you.
>> So, do you have those minutes? Will they
[30:51] be shared?
>> Okay.
[30:55] » I don't know.
>> Yo, this is like the Twilight Zone. You
[30:58] have no [laughter] answer.
>> You took the minutes. So, you have draft
[31:02] minutes. You haven't had another
>> Hold on. You'll have to call another
[31:05] meeting. for the the committee to
approve them.
[31:09] » So there will be another meeting.
>> There'll be another meeting called to
[31:12] approve the minutes. Yes.
>> All right. Everybody heard it.
[31:17] » Yes.
>> We heard level of accountability. You
[31:21] [applause] heard it.
[31:25] » My name is Michael. I live on by road
township. I've lived here for 56 years.
[31:31] I've been preserved over 200 acres 100
acres in this township. Um I think John
[31:38] you have a really difficult job. Um it's
really difficult and I uh I don't think
[31:45] your behavior is is good whether you
should retire or not. I I'm not going to
[31:49] comment on that. Um I do think that
there are at least seven current
[31:53] lawsuits against the township. These are
just the tip of the iceberg and there
[31:58] more to come. And I you got to clean
this up, guys. You and Mike go to work
[32:03] together and clean this up. Somehow
settling with barb and all these people,
[32:06] it's just wrong. You know, I I feel like
an Indian on a reservation this
[32:12] township, you know, as long as you keep
your head down and keep your mouth shut,
[32:15] you're fine. But if you open your mouth,
then you're in trouble. Mrs. Rash denied
[32:21] me to [clears throat] to be on the park
and recreation committee because I had
[32:26] challenged their zoning. You can't do
that.
[32:29] That's wrong. You said you were you
weren't sure whether it was right or
[32:33] not. Have you thought about that?
[32:38] Have you thought about that? You deni
you denied me the right to be on the
[32:42] park and recreation committee because I
had challenged your zoning in Forest
[32:44] Grove. Is that correct?
>> Not in Forest Grove. You challenge
[32:47] » No, I challenged it in Forest. No,
you're wrong. I absolutely not.
[32:51] » Absolutely not.
>> We've never an ongoing zoning challenge.
[32:58] that's growing on.
>> That's right.
[33:00] » Um and it's challenging the township
zoning ordinance.
[33:02] » Right. Yeah.
>> And you've had plenty of chances with
[33:05] Mike to solve that and you don't want to
for six lots on 30 acres. You don't want
[33:10] to do that, right?
>> No.
[33:11] » Well, I'm not going to let them get into
negotiations, but that's the fact I'm
[33:16] not going to let you get into settlement
negotiations with you. That's
[33:19] » I'm saying my opinion is what's going
I'm willing to do that, Greg. That's not
[33:23] a law. That's what I would be willing to
do. There are discussions, as you know,
[33:27] going on between your lawyers and the
tours and everything else. So,
[33:30] » Mike, how many Mike, how many homes has
your family built in Buckingham
[33:34] Township?
>> I've never built one, John.
[33:36] » Not one.
>> How many did your family build?
[33:38] » I don't know, John. My father's passed
away, John. Don't bring it up.
[33:44] » Okay.
>> Okay.
[33:45] » Out of respect for my father, I've never
subdivided property and been offered. I
[33:50] gave up over $6 million to preserve a
farm up by the airport.
[33:55] and I want to build some houses
>> for my employees and you can't even do
[33:59] it.
>> And now we're in all sorts of
[34:02] litigation. I'm done with that. Maggie,
you need to apologize to me for not
[34:06] letting me on that board.
>> Do you think you were wrong?
[34:11] » I'm not apologizing to you.
>> Okay. So, you you think my civil rights
[34:15] were not violating?
>> You can't do that. Look, look, we're not
[34:19] going to get into respondation.
>> I want everybody to hear how this
[34:24] country is run. I can do that.
>> Say whatever you want, right? You
[34:28] absolutely can. But I'm not going to let
them engage with you in that kind of
[34:31] stuff.
>> Okay. Well, I'm talking to them.
[34:34] » Okay.
>> I'm just telling you how people get
[34:36] treated in this township.
>> It's not right.
[34:41] » And you've not apologized. So, John, I I
I just hope that you stay. I really do.
[34:45] And I hope that you find your way back
to where you need to be, where you were
[34:49] 20 years ago when you, Maggie, Maggie,
came in. It was great. You guys were
[34:53] great for the first 10 years. And then I
don't know what happened.
[34:57] I really don't know what happened.
[snorts]
[35:00] And I I'm not going to say anything why.
I just
[35:03] » You just said you got $6 million for
your property from the
[35:06] » No, I gave up the $6 million.
>> Gave up. Okay. Whatever.
[35:09] » Yeah. I bought I bought it when I was
>> 32 years old. I took $170,000 mortgage
[35:15] out on the property. I was offered $8
million of a property and took two.
[35:20] » Now, find fault with that.
>> No, we were very we respected that. Yep.
[35:24] That was
>> And then I And I'm not going I'm not
[35:26] going to correct. And then I go over
here and do the most basic thing and I
[35:30] can't even get a thumb back. I can't get
anything. I'll bring the Texas if you
[35:33] want me to when you wouldn't even meet
with me.
[35:38] It's not right. You guys got to change.
You just can't treat people like myself
[35:43] like garbage.
You know, you you make us spend hundreds
[35:46] and hundreds of thousands of dollars to
do the most basic things. Settle this
[35:51] thing. Do something. Do something right.
John, you know better.
[35:54] » Yeah. You could have built all the homes
you wanted.
[35:58] » That's right. No, it's all right.
>> It's okay.
[36:00] » Yeah.
>> But I am asking for Maggie for an
[36:01] apology for not letting in the park. You
How can people speak up?
[36:06] » I was reluctant to speak up because who
knows what you're going to do. What are
[36:09] you going to do? never reluctant to
speak up, Mike.
[36:12] » Oh, I've spoken up three times in 35 or
40 years. I'm not a I don't come here.
[36:18] How many John? How many times have you
ever seen me at a meeting speaking up?
[36:21] » Just the past six meetings and before
that twice.
[36:25] » Nope. Nope. Not at all.
>> Because it's just, you know, I just got
[36:28] kind of fed up.
>> You know, all these people, all these
[36:30] lawsuits and everything, after a while,
it's like, you know what? Why am I doing
[36:34] this? Why am I farming in this township?
>> It's not You don't get sued over
[36:39] farming. You get sued over development.
That's what you get sued over.
[36:42] » I'm I'm not suggesting that you're going
out and chasing farmers down.
[36:46] » Yeah.
>> Yeah.
[36:47] » Mike wasn't sued. Yeah.
>> Okay.
[36:50] » Mike [clears throat] brought a zoning
challenge against the township zoning
[36:53] boards in front of the zoning hearing
board. That's where this is. We
[36:56] shouldn't be discussing.
>> It's at right now
[36:59] » and it's trying to get resolved.
>> Okay.
[37:02] Well, again, it's hard for me to believe
that you would not allow me to be on a
[37:07] park and recreation committee because I
spoke out about something that makes
[37:12] What does that say to the residents here
who might want to say something? There's
[37:15] probably 20 or 30 people who aren't here
tonight who are afraid to speak up.
[37:21] » What does that say to other people?
>> Why don't you let some of the other
[37:25] people speak up? [clears throat]
>> Well, give them time.
[37:29] » Okay. I'm not going to apologize to you
and
[37:35] we're starting stopping public comment
now. It's been it's been no it's been 35
[37:41] minutes and I said at the top we have
public comment for 30 minutes. We start
[37:46] our business meeting and we'll we'll
continue public comment at the end of
[37:51] the meeting. It's been 35 minutes.
>> You apologize to Prolix.
[37:57] » Have you apologized Mike?
[38:03] You lied about him. That was written
in your apology to the prolife. Now,
[38:10] have you apologized to Mike?
You lied about him.
[38:18] Will you apologize to him
>> or does he have to sue you to get an
[38:24] apology?
>> I would suggest that's a matter between
[38:27] the two of them.
I would suggest it's a he should give a
[38:32] public apology.
>> We We hear you. We hear what you're
[38:36] suggesting.
>> Yeah.
[38:37] » You hear me?
>> Does he hear me?
[38:40] » I think the whole board's heard.
>> I think everybody in the audience is
[38:43] hurt.
>> Here's his time. Stand up and apologize
[38:46] to him.
>> I think again that's probably something
[38:49] they should deal with.
>> This has nothing to do with you.
[38:52] » I'm just telling you, Mr. Carl, that's
>> stand up and apologize to this man.
[38:57] [clears throat]
[39:01] You lied about him.
[39:05] » Just apologize.
>> If you don't want to do it in the
[39:08] public, you just do it in the back room.
[applause]
[39:14] Okay.
Hold on. Um, how many other people want
[39:20] to have public comment? If is it like
one or two?
[39:25] Lucy, you want public comment?
>> Shannon wants public. Otherwise, we're
[39:30] going to start our business meeting.
>> Okay.
[39:32] » And we'll finish public comment at the
end of the meeting. I announced that in
[39:35] the beginning. It's always at the top of
the agenda. So, we'll have two more
[39:40] people and then that's it until after
our meeting and it's a pretty quick
[39:44] meeting. Go ahead. I with all these
apologies all of a sudden for no reason
[39:50] at all came to my head that I did
something very very bad when I was 17
[39:56] years old. I actually came out of a
communist country and I crossed the
[40:00] minefield to get out of there without
any permission.
[40:04] Other than that I'm perfect. Never did
anything wrong. I swear that's
[40:10] » wrong.
[40:16] Hi. Um, my name is Shannon Sticker, 4519
Kevin Court. Um, thank you for extending
[40:21] this. I apologize I wasn't able to get
here in time. Um, I serve as the chair
[40:27] of Buckingham Democrats.
In that role, our organization has
[40:35] and our candidates have experienced lies
and
[40:42] falsehoods and
slander.
[40:47] And before anyone says it goes both
ways, let me assure you it does not. We
[40:54] are very careful with what we put out.
We are very careful to do our research
[41:00] and I would like to ask John on behalf
of our organization to please resign.
[41:06] Thank you.
>> Is that coming from you or your boss
[41:09] Santa?
>> That's coming from me and our local
[41:12] organization.
>> Okay. Thanks, SHANE.
[41:15] [applause]
[41:20] » I'll just say Hold on. I was going to
ask you if you'd like a comment.
[41:24] » Sure.
Um,
[41:28] I guess I'll just close this down since
I know we love banners here.
[41:35] Uh, this is a this was a post from John
posted back in 2011
[41:41] on his Facebook page.
>> Yeah, that's about right. It says,
[41:48] "When a campaign is run with lies and
deceit, candidates will govern and lie
[41:55] in deception. Slander and desperation
does not win an election. It's about the
[42:02] issues and the record."
>> Y um so that's [applause] right.
[42:12] To John, these are your own words. When
a campaign is run with lies and
[42:16] deceptions, that candidate will govern
in lies and deception. You have now
[42:21] admitted that while serving as
supervisor and seeking re-election, you
[42:24] spread false accusations of corruption
and quidd pro crow quid proquo on
[42:30] conversations that never happened. Years
ago in 2011, you stood at this dis and
[42:35] you called for on a fellow supervisor to
resign if he could not do what was best
[42:39] for the township. By your own words and
your own standard, I believe there's
[42:43] only one appropriate action left. John,
you should resign as Buckingham Township
[42:48] Supervisor. Thank you. [applause]
[42:56] » Okay. Um, and I just have a a quick
comment and that's what a lot of what
[43:02] this is swirling around and the issues.
It has to do with zoning and
[43:08] conservation easements. And I think we
pretty much tried to share that tonight.
[43:13] Um, our zoning ordinance is so
important. It's important to all of us
[43:17] and I really think it's the one of the
main reasons that probably everybody in
[43:22] this room moved here. Uh, you don't have
a gas station in the middle of
[43:28] Hearthstone or one of the other
developments because the zoning doesn't
[43:32] allow it. um your neighbor has to be uh
diligent and not put a fence on your
[43:38] property instead of, you know, impeding
onto your property because of the SAO
[43:44] and the zoning, the conservation
easement.
[43:48] Um this is our this is our list of
preserved properties, 6,000 acres.
[43:59] We have someone challenging their
conservation easement.
[44:04] And one of the issues that's part of
this whole discussion tonight is about
[44:12] violating a conservation issue
and challenging it. And you know what?
[44:19] If one of those um especially the
challenge to the to the one conservation
[44:25] easement, if the conservation easement
is overturned,
[44:30] every single one of these properties
is up for grabs.
[44:37] Every single one. Don't you know you can
shake your head. It's not true. You
[44:42] cannot. We have never opened a
conservation easement and ch and and
[44:48] overturned it. And we never ever want to
stop any of this.
[44:54] This is what makes Buckingham green.
[applause]
[45:03] [applause]
Okay. Concert. Let's see what's
[45:06] happening here.
>> Um, family fun concert series. Uh this
[45:12] tomorrow, Thursday, um 700 p.m. there
updated schedule. Is it going to the
[45:18] springs or not?
>> We don't know yet.
[45:20] » Okay.
>> The weather's not supposed to be nice.
[45:22] » Okay. It's up to the weather. Um
plan plan on coming to enjoy the
[45:28] Buckingham Night Market um at Holly Punk
Park. That's Friday night and September
[45:34] 25th 5:30 to 8:30.
>> Uh quick just I want to add a couple of
[45:38] things on that. Sure. So, uh, some
really great stuff. Uh, like Lee said,
[45:42] uh, mentioned earlier, we do have, um,
we have Mardle's holiday farm coming. We
[45:46] have N such coming. We have Slack Farm
there. There are a bunch more farms
[45:50] coming. Okay.
>> Which is great. Um, we've also added
[45:53] another really great kid activity. Uh,
since there was a long line for kid
[45:57] activities, we've added the Twill um,
uh, trolley. We've and and she is coming
[46:02] for free of charge marked for marketing
exposure only. We've also added um dog
[46:09] adoptions. We've added uh quite a few
other really great things. And I know
[46:13] one of the big pain points was finding
parking. Um so we have worked with the
[46:17] police in the township as well to try
and figure out a parking uh solution
[46:20] that should be able to accommodate
everybody without having to cross 202
[46:24] » and safely
>> and safely.
[46:26] » So um I'm really excited for Friday. I
think uh one of the the biggest things
[46:31] that we've learned was uh how many
people want something like this and how
[46:35] great it is to bring all of our
neighboring communities together and how
[46:38] much fun it is to interact with each
other and um it's clearly something that
[46:42] that was wanted. People turned out and
so we're addressing that moving forward
[46:46] and and trying to make sure we can
accommodate everyone that shows up. So,
[46:48] thank you.
>> Okay. Uh Buckingham Township
[46:52] Administration offices will be closed
September 7th in obser in observance of
[46:57] Labor Day.
>> Am I hot right there?
[46:59] » The the comprehensive plan workshop
number one is going to be on Tuesday,
[47:04] September 15th, 206 here 7 to 9 in the
Buckingham room here. And a program by
[47:12] EAC, Discover the Meadows of Buckingham,
an informative evening with Tyler Kovac.
[47:19] um from Heritage Conservancy and that'll
be here on September 18th, 2026 from
[47:26] 6:00 to 8:00 p.m. Okay. Number three, I
move that we approve payment request
[47:33] number two to Bloomington Glenn
Contractors, Inc. for completed work on
[47:37] the Cold Spring Crearyy on the Cold
Spring Well. Number four, radon and PFO
[47:43] PFOS
removal contract BT2501 in the amount of
[47:49] $7,28145.
[47:54] » You want to do these?
>> I can do them all. all together
[47:56] » and payment number uh one request number
one from GS developers for work
[48:02] completed on the furlong well F8 PFA PFA
PFAS removal project in the amount of
[48:10] $27,000
um payment number one request to GS
[48:15] developers inc for work completed on the
furlong well FAP FAS removal project
[48:21] electrical contract for4 4,500
[48:28] and um approving the change order number
two for the Cold Spring Field Stone
[48:35] Water Interconnect, increasing the
contract by $8,900
[48:40] to a new contract of 1,796,534.
[48:48] Another one more
>> and uh payment request number 11 to GS
[48:53] developers on the Cold Spring Fieldstone
again water interconnect BT2402 in the
[49:00] amount of 98,
uh $11.50.
[49:05] That's it.
>> Second, and we just want to note that um
[49:09] all that is paid for by um anyone that
has water or sewer and not by the
[49:16] general fund.
And and Dana, won't our uh our grant
[49:20] money cover a lot of this?
>> Yes.
[49:23] » The the one for the furlong well F8 FOS
removal project is fully covered through
[49:30] grant money. The cold spring well number
four um is uh twothirds of it covered by
[49:39] grant money. And uh the cold stone cold
spring field stone water inc
[49:46] interconnect is also covered by grants
that we rece
[49:51] uh a couple weeks ago on a $2 million
grant from Y. So you may want to share
[49:57] that with folks.
>> Yep.
[50:01] » Right now.
>> Sure.
[50:03] » We signed it. [laughter]
[gasps]
[50:05] » Yes. Um I don't have the the figure in
front of me but um the exact figure but
[50:12] yes we we went for uh we actually have
our next application in but we went for
[50:18] a penvest grant for Cold Spring 4 PAS
removal system um which we were uh
[50:25] received um I don't have the numbers in
front of me $2 million grant and a low
[50:31] interest road. Thank you for having that
in front of you. Um, and uh, so
[50:38] » low interest loan
>> and a low interest for that. And then do
[50:43] do you have the F8 in front of you?
There's that. That's the
[50:48] » uh, I have the one we just did.
>> And the F the F8 is the $2.4 million
[50:53] grant.
>> 2,435,000.
[50:56] Yeah.
>> Yes. All good.
[50:58] » That we just
>> All good.
[51:00] » Got a week and a half ago. So,
>> Yep. Okay. All in favor?
[51:05] » I
>> I um I move that we approve approve the
[51:08] payroll for July 30th, 2026 and August
13th, 2026 and the bill list for August
[51:17] 26, 2026 in the amount of 1,355
355,76.9.
[51:25] » Second.
>> All in favor? I
[51:28] » I I move that we approve the draft
supervisor minutes from July 21st, 2026
[51:35] work session and the July 21st, 2026
regular business meeting. So,
[51:43] uh, all in favor?
>> I
[51:45] » I.
>> Number five, I move that we accept
[51:49] various departmental dis
departmental minutes and advisory board
[51:53] minutes, including building and zoning
monthly stats for July. Um,
[51:59] environmental advisory commission, our
EAC for May 20th and June 17, 2026.
[52:06] Park and wreck, July 20th, 26. Safety
Committee 2020 20 July 2026 and historic
[52:13] commission July 16th 2026.
>> Second.
[52:17] » Uh all in favor? I
>> I I move that we agree to the developers
[52:22] request for extension a time to
September 11, 2027
[52:27] uh to complete improvements um set forth
in the residential development contract
[52:33] uh covering Mil Creek Ridge/Smith
Viper phase 1 and phase 2 township file
[52:41] SA201-05C.
>> I'll second, but I have a question.
[52:46] » Okay. Um, I just want to make sure and I
and it based off of what Dana mentioned
[52:50] earlier tonight, I assume the answer is
no, but I just want to make sure that um
[52:54] extending this [snorts]
won't make any difference in working on
[52:58] the um the the water and sewer rate
district.
[53:01] » No, that this is site.
>> Okay. I just wanted to make sure.
[53:04] » Sure, you're fine.
>> Thank you.
[53:05] » And and I would just like to add they do
have a requested dedication. So, we're
[53:09] proceeding with doing punch list and
hopefully closing that out whether or
[53:12] not this year probably more early next
year. So,
[53:15] » Okay. Good. So, we're finally coming to
the end of that one.
[53:17] » All righty. All in favor? I
>> I move that we award the bid for the
[53:23] removal and disposal of 650,000
gallons annually or more or less of
[53:30] liquid sludge on the approximately 6,500
to 18,000 gallon more or less per week
[53:38] for the first year of a three-year bid
option contract year September 1st, 2026
[53:45] through August 31st, 2027. Seven awarded
to Wind River Environmental LLC,
[53:53] formerly Frank. I don't know if anybody
has their septic system pump, but Frank
[53:59] Environmental
>> um uh of Ivy Land, PA in the amount of
[54:05] um.1295
[54:08] per gallon
cent.
[54:12] Yeah.
>> Almost 13 cents.
[54:14] » Almost 13. and consideration of
approving the request from Wind River
[54:21] Environmental LLC to modify the bid
submission requirement for the format of
[54:26] the performance bond form offering to
provide a performance bond for one year
[54:31] automatically renewing for the remaining
years of the contract.
[54:37] » Second
questions or comments?
[54:41] All in favor? I
>> I number eight. I move that we approve
[54:46] resolution 2690
requesting a multimodal transportation
[54:51] fund grant from the uh pendot for
Buckingham Village transportation
[54:56] improvement project and designating the
chairman of the board of supervisors.
[55:01] Thanks. And the Buckingham Township
manager to execute all documents and
[55:06] agreements between Buckingham Township
and Pendot.
[55:10] » Second.
>> Okay. So, unfortunately, we again were
[55:14] not awarded the multimodal
um grant for our trail system um that's
[55:20] connecting to the new roundabout that
Pendot is building. Um they're opening
[55:25] up a new one and I'm just going to be
incredibly persistent and annoying until
[55:30] they give us that grant. Okay.
>> So, I put it right back in and we'll put
[55:34] it in on September 14th, the day that it
opens up again.
[55:39] » Good. Good.
>> Thank you. Okay. All in favor?
[55:42] » I
>> I All right. Um, escrow releases.
[55:48] I move that we approve release number
two. Um,
[55:54] WS for
>> water and sewer. Sorry. For Village
[55:59] Crossing, aka Penn's purchase. You know
what that is? The big pile of dirt
[56:04] that's up there across from Peddler's
Village. Buckingham.
[56:08] um township file SA 2018 to uh-4
in the amount of 33,8382
[56:18] and it's recommended by um Castle Bow
>> second.
[56:24] » Okay. I have a question.
>> You're doing these se You're doing these
[56:26] separately, correct?
>> Yeah. So, is that is that about the the
[56:31] well and everything in Peddler's
Village? No,
[56:34] » not peddlers, but Stone Havens, the new
>> Okay. Yeah.
[56:39] » Okay.
>> The new well.
[56:40] » All righty. Good. Um, all in favor?
>> I
[56:44] » I Okay. I move that we approve release
number four for village crossing tense
[56:49] purchase. Uh, same township file in the
amount of $71,28269.
[56:57] » Second. And that's for site. S for site.
Correct. Y.
[57:01] » Okay. Um all in favor
>> I
[57:04] » I I move that we approve release number
one storm water permit um to the 2301
[57:13] for Victoria Victoria Park subdivision
lot two
[57:17] » off in New Hope this is the large
preserved parcel memory museum
[57:22] » between New Hope and Smith.
>> Yeah. across from the Jehovah Witnesses.
[57:26] » Oh yeah.
>> No, I'm talking.
[57:35] » Yep. Yep. Yep. You're right. I
apologize.
[57:38] I thought we were going back to 2006.
Um anyway,
[57:43] » here.
>> Uh I moved that we we release $254,275.
[57:50] » Second.
>> Okay. All in favor?
[57:53] » I
>> I Oh, we got some manager items.
[57:57] » Um, and is this the waiver?
>> Yeah, we approved Steve Terill's.
[58:02] » Yeah.
>> Well, you you want to do it now? You're
[58:06] going to do it now. You discussed it at
your work session.
[58:08] » We did. We discussed this in the work
session before the meeting started.
[58:12] » Um, and Craig, I think you have to add
some things into my motion because
[58:18] » I didn't write it down. I think what
we're doing is moving to approve for
[58:23] waiver of land development
>> uh submitted by Stevenville Jr.
[58:29] um to construct additional two offices
above an existing structure within the
[58:34] existing garage footprint at 3681 Court
Spring Creek Road and I think Dan uh the
[58:42] waiverss would accommodate them and
correct me if I'm wrong so they would
[58:45] not have to get zoning bill.
>> Correct.
[58:47] » Correct.
>> Okay.
[58:48] » Okay. Thank you.
>> Second.
[58:50] » Okay. All in favor? I I
>> I move that we authorize the purchase of
[58:55] a 2026 F-150 police responder 4x4 from
Fred Beans Ford in the amount of
[59:03] $50,249.
[59:06] Price includes PA Coastards discount
plus uplifting the SKD Tyrants Emergency
[59:13] Vehicle Uplifting Inc. in the amount of
20,000 or 7937.
[59:20] And this was second first.
>> Yeah.
[59:23] » Second.
>> Now
[59:24] » you got a second.
>> Okay.
[59:26] » This was in the budget, right?
>> Yes. And this is um this is a police
[59:33] vehicle. It is the vehicle that holds
our scales. Um so uh they
[59:43] at which are rather heavy and will be
well we'll be hauling truck scales other
[59:49] gear and equipment in the truck. Um so
this motor uh will work best. It's a 3.5
[59:56] L EcoBoost motor. Um so it's uh they
stopped production on the electric
[1:00:02] vehicles. We're also a little concerned
about the electric vehicles because the
[1:00:06] amount of equipment. Um we also just how
heavy the MAP um units scales are. Um
[1:00:17] this looks like the best for that need
for the police department. And um they
[1:00:23] did adjust I asked them something with
that um
[1:00:29] and uh they're actually doing away with
the electric F-150s.
[1:00:36] » Okay,
>> is what they were told. But this one,
[1:00:39] even though, you know, that would be
possibly problematic with all of their
[1:00:43] equipment anyway, um we really need the
the heavy duty of this 4x4
[1:00:50] um for our scales.
>> Jane, do you have any questions?
[1:00:55] » Yeah, I was going to ask.
>> No, I appreciate it. I I just recalled
[1:00:58] from that previous meeting that they had
where you had a wonderful presentation
[1:01:03] from the environmental advisory
committee and then you had approved a
[1:01:06] truck later that night and they were
kind of like passing ships in the night
[1:01:11] and I just would hope whether it's
emergency vehicle or not that in the
[1:01:15] future it doesn't matter how much how
many other green things we're doing that
[1:01:20] we at least evaluate the feasibility of
getting more a more fuel efficient
[1:01:28] vehicle. I mean, lead by example
>> and and and and we do I I I may have
[1:01:34] come off differently from that. I I do
tell my staff to look for the green
[1:01:39] vehicle first. So, in every single
vehicle we purchase, we look at can we
[1:01:45] get a green vehicle. So, I don't know
what meeting you were at. I don't think
[1:01:50] it was this meeting that you're talking
about.
[1:01:52] » Year ago. It was a year ago,
>> but it's an environmental
[1:01:56] the EAC meeting
>> in this meeting that the environmental
[1:01:59] advisory committee had a nice
presentation.
[1:02:02] » Okay.
>> And you would
[1:02:03] » Oh. Oh, okay.
>> multiple points that you were committed
[1:02:06] to
like that.
[1:02:11] » Oh, you are you talking?
>> Oh, the Yeah, that I worked on that
[1:02:16] plan. The climate action plan. Yes. Yes.
Okay.
[1:02:20] » But it was a meeting where a truck was
purchased and we [clears throat] were
[1:02:23] told it wasn't green and kind of it was
just unfortunate in in the timing that
[1:02:31] but I appreciate what you said Dana that
you leave with green and vote there.
[1:02:35] » Yes.
>> Well, and you just read that both of the
[1:02:37] those that got in and the thing next
thing we're going to approve they've
[1:02:41] discontinued the
>> Well, the next thing is a hybrid.
[1:02:45] It's just not a fully green electric
vehicle.
[1:02:48] » The ne the next vehicle we're approving.
>> Yeah, the the the next vehicle is a
[1:02:52] hybrid. the intersection
>> which is where we've been moving.
[1:02:55] » Right. Good.
>> So, it's half and half.
[1:02:57] » Good. Perfect timing. I'm glad you're
here.
[1:03:00] » Um, all right. The next one. I move that
we authorize the purchase.
[1:03:03] » I don't think we have
>> Oh. Oh, no. All in favor?
[1:03:05] » I
>> I
[1:03:07] » um I move that we authorize the purchase
of a 2027 Ford police interceptor
[1:03:12] utility vehicle
uh from Chapman Fleet and Government in
[1:03:16] the amount of $47,34.
Price includes co-stars discount PA
[1:03:22] Co-Star plus uplifting from CKD Tyron
Tyron's Emergency Vehicle Uplifting Inc.
[1:03:29] in the amount of 20,82627.
[1:03:34] Oh god, seven.
>> All in favor?
[1:03:38] » I
>> I think that's it.
[1:03:41] » Okay.
>> Um is there any more public comments?
[1:03:44] Um, one thing you want to note is that
we did start at 4:45
[1:03:49] for um, an executive session.
>> Oh, that's right. We had executive
[1:03:54] session to discuss um, litigation.
>> Mhm.
[1:03:58] » And that's it.
>> Yeah. Thank you.
[1:04:03] » Public,
[1:04:10] » not conversation, comment.
Two months ago, I spoke when you denied
[1:04:16] me the right to be on this committee. I
hesitate. I've watched the whole thing.
[1:04:20] I think Can I ask you why none of that
was in the minutes?
[1:04:25] » I I'm not I'm not going to have this
conversation with you, Mike.
[1:04:29] » I'm asking you a very basic question.
You're supposed to put Why wouldn't you
[1:04:32] put that in the minutes? I want you on
the record.
[1:04:35] » Okay. On the record, I denied my I I
personally voted against it because of
[1:04:41] Where did Craig go?
>> Well, I you know I mean how many times
[1:04:46] ways do we have to say
>> minutes are in a transcript and not
[1:04:50] saying
>> posted? I don't think so.
[1:04:53] » All our minutes are posted.
>> I don't think so.
[1:04:56] » All our minutes.
>> All of the board of supervisors minutes
[1:04:59] should be posted.
>> Well, can you look? I don't think it was
[1:05:02] ever in there. The denial.
>> Maybe it's not in there. We'll have to
[1:05:05] go back and look.
>> Well, I you know, I look.
[1:05:07] » Okay.
>> Now, are you going to put in
[1:05:09] » We'll go on the website and all the
minutes.
[1:05:12] » The board can't go back and and and
change minutes from months ago.
[1:05:16] » Let's have the discussion now so we can
put it on.
[1:05:18] » I'm not having the discussion.
>> Hey, Mike.
[1:05:20] » I'm not having the discussion. It's
under it's under litigation.
[1:05:25] It's not under litigation. My reason is
is because of litigate of the attack.
[1:05:30] » This is public this is public comment.
This is public comment.
[1:05:33] » That's it. So,
>> you know, if you're going to be I'll
[1:05:36] just
>> I mean, keep talking, but I'm telling
[1:05:38] you, I'm not going to comment a lawyer
and ask you for it. I really
[1:05:42] » I'm not going to comment on it.
>> We're going to have the zoning hearing
[1:05:46] board decision in two weeks,
>> couple months ago.
[1:05:51] » Yeah, that's wrong.
>> I don't think it was June, though. I'm
[1:05:54] just trying I I see. I'm just curious.
>> Yeah, I don't remember all there.
[1:06:00] » Thank you all for coming to the meeting.
>> Anybody else? Oh, I'm sorry. You're not
[1:06:04] finished. Go ahead.
>> I'm just asking to check and see and I'm
[1:06:07] just wondering why. I mean, you have an
obligation.
[1:06:09] » I told you.
>> I don't know. We have all the minutes.
[1:06:11] I'm not going to talk about it.
>> Questioning your decision. I'm asking
[1:06:16] that it be posted. So, you're on the
record for denying me that and how you
[1:06:19] operate for people who speak.
>> That's what I want. That's all.
[1:06:23] » Yeah. I don't think I think when we
voted on the board, we had a lot of
[1:06:26] really wonderful people that applied for
that board, but I don't think we voted
[1:06:32] on why we didn't want someone on there.
We just voted on who should be
[1:06:35] » on board agree. We weren't voting. That
was my my choice. I gave my choice.
[1:06:41] » You guys are You guys have a
disagreement and you're not going to
[1:06:43] work it out tonight?
>> No, I'm not asking.
[1:06:45] » And we're not and we're not going to
work it out in the public meeting.
[1:06:48] » You know, that's all I'm asking.
>> Yeah. If if we're going to we'll look
[1:06:53] back. Lori has a transcript, but I don't
think we had a reason on why we wanted
[1:06:57] or didn't want to.
>> She said the reason was because I
[1:07:01] challen
>> I explicitly asked why Maggie was
[1:07:04] denying Mike the right to be on the
board or for being on for exercising his
[1:07:09] legal right to challenge zoning. Um, and
and
[1:07:13] » you're actually talking about a we're
we're in a we
[1:07:17] we're in a lawsuit over this right now.
And you're talking about
[1:07:20] » No, we're not we're not in a lawsuit.
It's a challenge at the zoning hearing
[1:07:23] board. Okay. And Craig has advised us
not to discuss this because
[1:07:29] the zoning hearing board is going to
issue their decision
[1:07:35] » next week. [clears throat] The next week
or the week after.
[1:07:38] » That's not the issue.
>> Yes, it is. It's not the issue. You have
[1:07:41] a right to speak out and be heard and
recorded. That's all it is.
[1:07:45] » I'm not suing you.
>> And you didn't do it.
[1:07:49] » I won't even get into the essay. Hey,
that's You haven't even done that. I'm
[1:07:52] not going there.
>> So, are you are you going to do that or
[1:07:57] not? That's all I want to know.
>> I would I would advise the board not to
[1:08:02] go back and redo minutes. Minutes are a
general thing in a recording of, you
[1:08:07] know, of of decisions of financial
things of we just bought a police car.
[1:08:12] We just did that.
>> I'm not commenting on it.
[1:08:16] » So, are we are we Mike?
>> You have your answer. I'm not commenting
[1:08:21] on it. Anybody else in the audience? You
you hear my answer and you can think of
[1:08:27] me what you will. I'm not commenting on
it. It's an issue before the My reason
[1:08:32] is an issue before the zoning hearing
board. We're not We're not commenting on
[1:08:36] it.
It's legal.
[1:08:39] » You have an obligation to post.
>> Oh, for God's sakes. Shut up. [laughter]
[1:08:45] » It was me.
>> Okay.
[1:08:47] » You You just constantly TAKE OVER THIS
WHOLE MEETING.
[1:08:50] » She said she's not going to comment.
She's not going to comment. I'll sit
[1:08:53] down.
>> It's public comment. Yeah. It's not
[1:08:56] supervisor comment. In fact, I think
we're we're wrapping up this meeting and
[1:09:00] we have some uh
>> the conversation
[1:09:02] » we have some legal issues to discuss.
>> The conversation was that Maggie wanted
[1:09:06] me to be on the Department of Recreation
Board and she mentioned why she did and
[1:09:10] it was never posted and I asked him why.
>> But this is this is here. No, this is
[1:09:15] hearsay from Mike. If Maggie says
something to Mike and then Mike runs to
[1:09:19] you, that's not our problem. You guys
have to work that out. Mike, we don't
[1:09:23] know what Mike hears. Craig could shake.
>> He wasn't It's not even part of it.
[1:09:29] » What's that?
>> You're not part of this.
[1:09:31] » Yeah, he said he told Mike told him.
That's what he's saying.
[1:09:35] » Mike told him something that we had in
it.
[1:09:38] » Videap
tell
[1:09:47] the videape.
>> Anybody? Okay. I'm going to close the
[1:09:50] meeting
>> and we're going into
[1:09:52] » Did you have your hand up?
Yeah, I just had a question. As someone
[1:09:56] new to these meetings, is that
>> Daniel can get up and tell Lori your
[1:10:00] name?
>> Tell you have to tell Lori your your
[1:10:02] name and address right here. Give it to
>> Hi, I'm Patricia Smallcom, 2590 Furlong
[1:10:07] Road, Doylestown. Uh, just a question.
Is public comment recorded in the
[1:10:12] minutes?
>> Yes.
[1:10:13] » Yes. Okay. So, it's not just decisions,
it's also public comment.
[1:10:17] » It's public.
>> Yes. But it's not minutes are not
[1:10:20] transcripts. It's It's not like having a
court reporter. So, not you know, it's
[1:10:25] you you record the general,
>> you know,
[1:10:28] » technically you only have to do action
items.
[1:10:31] » Yeah. We don't even have to do that. We
do a little bit more than we have to
[1:10:34] because it's good for people to be able
to go back and read and they get a
[1:10:38] little bit more out of it.
>> Thank you.
[1:10:40] » Yeah.
>> Yeah. Okay.
[1:10:42] » All right. I'm going to make a motion
that we close the business meeting and
[1:10:46] go back and have an executive session to
discuss litigation.
[1:10:51] » Second.
>> Okay. Questions, comments? All in favor?
[1:10:56] » Thank you for coming.
>> Thank you.
[1:10:59] God.