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service committee.
>> Service committee called to order at

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5:00 pm. Members present Chris Maritz
chair Cody Scott Taylor Spiegel

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[clears throat] Robert Taylor. First up,
I do want to apologize for having this

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special meeting because
uh we're trying to do things a little

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different up here and I got messages
across to how we wanted to get it done.

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So, that's why we're in this meeting
tonight to try to fix

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my mistakes that I screwed up on and I
apologize for that. Uh solid waste waste

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rates are up first and I'm going to do a
public participation on each one of

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these starting out before we ask for
legislation.

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» Greg White 1125 Hill Chris Drive. So, I
thought we were going to wait on until

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we got more information
about how we're going to charge people

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for the trash rates until the
administration brought forth more

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information about how much of these
trucks are going to cost us.

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» I think that's a different that's a
different one.

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» Okay. But the the solid waste or we
going to we going to change

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» solid waste rates first.
>> Okay. Okay. So, uh let me ask you this.

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So, are we going to change the section
that I think needs to be changed on

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cubic yard dumping? Are we going to
change that today or we just

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» That is not That is not on the on the
other

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» That's not on the agenda either today.
>> Wow. Okay. Because I mean it was just

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vague. It didn't specifically state what
was, you know, on the thing. So, all

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right. Thank you.
>> Yep.

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» Any more public participation? I can't
even say that today. I'm so damn tired.

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[laughter]
Without seeing any more public

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participation, I would like to uh see if
I can get a motion to

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amend section 999, the rate tables of
the BCO, and increase the solid waste

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rates by $1 per month, both residential
and commercial

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accounts as an emergency.

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Is that amount right?
>> I thought we were going I thought we

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were going to $2. I thought we were
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» I thought it was just one.
>> It's just $1.

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» $2 was discussed, but it ended up being
$1.

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» Did you look at that chart?
>> Yeah, I know. I understand the chart,

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but I emailed Dylan
about because I asked a question during

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that last meeting.
>> Solid waste and storm mix.

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» Okay.
>> Yeah, storm sewer is different.

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» Gotcha. I apologize. Guys, I did that
last time, too, didn't I?

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» Yeah.
>> It's all right. All right.

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» That's okay.
>> I'll just All right.

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» Starts with an S. I make a motion to uh
to amend section 9999.

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» Terry Speels uh first. Do I get a
second?

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» So moved.
>> Rob Taylor second. All in favor?

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» I.
>> Motion passes.

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» Up next is Storm Rider. That is what
we're talking about, right?

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» Uh, also again, I want to do public
participation first. Anybody want public

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participation on that?
>> Do we know why we're raising these

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rates?
>> Yes, we do. It was discussed in

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Thursday's meeting. Uh, Tommy, you want
to go through that? You probably know it

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better than I do as far as why we're
raising these rates after 23 years.

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» I mean, it seems like our bill goes up
every month. I mean, it's ridiculous.

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So, why? It's
crazy. And I can take a stab it if you

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want to, but you probably know it better
than I do why why it happened.

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Thomas, our safety director. Um, the
reason we're raising the rates is the we

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have not raised these rates in 23 years
for the storm water. They've gone from

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two or $4 to $6 just for the storm
water. And then there's going to be an

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additional 60 cents next year.
in order to get a loan, in order to do

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what we need to do for storm water
separation on the south end of town.

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It's the reason we're raising these
rates

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» and big culvert going in and it's going
to separate almost 480

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um acres of land of water separation
>> for somebody else or what?

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» No, that's our it's the cities of
Biruses. Yeah, the EPA is enforcing and

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the
>> EPA is enforcing this. Yeah, exactly.

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So,
>> they don't give loans, huh?

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» That is that is with the loan. That's
the only reason we can get a loan is

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with with that increase.
>> Again, this is 23 years kicking a can

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down the road.
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» now we're at where we're at now.
>> We all got to, you know, suffer more. We

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should have been doing this all alone
for 23 years.

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With that being said,
like see if I can get a motion to

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» Can I read this email real quick?
>> Yeah, go ahead.

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» So, I had asked the question to Dylan in
the last meeting because I was obviously

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confused about I was confusing storm
water rates and trash rates and

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everything. So, he I emailed him this
week and he got back with me.

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Um, and I because [clears throat] the
numbers didn't add up to me as far as

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percentage in that letter that was
attached to the top of that packet. Uh,

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the percentage was 25% just to catch up
with inflation and 35%

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to keep us on track with the with the
loan that we're going to get. We can go

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back and look at the I'm telling you 25%
35% 60%.

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Every time I do it, I've done it three
times now.

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So, I emailed Dylan about
[clears throat] that and here's the

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answer I got. All to say yes, a larger
increase up to 75% could easily be

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justified with those numbers. But we
felt for the time being that the

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requested increase 50% immediately, 10%
in 2027, and 3% every year for the

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inflation adjustment were adequate based
on the on the projects we have planned.

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And since we are not proposing the 75%
increase on a project of this magnitude,

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which is a 30-year loan project,
we will just need to save the funds for

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longer to make the project viable.

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So my question is
does anyone have any faith in any

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government entity regardless of who's in
charge of it saving that money?

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So are we going to find ourselves in
this situation

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in 10 or 15 years that that money we
supposed to have been saving on that 50%

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increase plus the 10% plus the 3% 3% 3%
Robert, that that storm water fee goes

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into a special fund. Nobody can ever
touch that. It can't go to general fund.

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It can't go to the sewage fund. It
cannot go to the water fund. It has to

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stay right there in that fund and be
used.

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» No, I I understand
either.

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» They can't get No,
>> they can't. Nobody touches that.

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» Yeah, I understand they're separate
funds.

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But
I I guess my question is is it is this

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is this incremental increase enough?

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» Not that I want to raise it any higher.
I'm just wondering if we're not going to

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have to go through this whole rigo and
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» hopefully we don't have four more years
like we did the past four years to where

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interest rates went crazy. Now we're
down to a decent interest rate, right?

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Hopefully we don't get anything like
that again to where it could kick us in

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the rear end and we have to do it. But
>> as long as it straight stay where

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they're at now, this should be
>> I think so.

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» Okay.
>> It should be enough.

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» All right.
>> As long as we don't get that problem

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again. If that h if that happens again,
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» it's going to be up to next
administration or this administration

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whenever it happens,
>> right?

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» To um have to look into
>> maybe changing that again. Hopefully, we

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won't have to, but
>> the way it looks at least next for the

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next three years anyway,
>> right,

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» we're going to have good interest rates.
>> Okay. Thank you. Anything else from

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anybody?
Seeing that, I'd like to um

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see if I can get a motion to amend BC BC
927-05

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by increasing storm water rates 50%
which is two bucks for the remainder of

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the calendar year for 2026,
10% for calendar year 2027, and then an

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additional increase of 3% each year
after that. as an emergency.

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» So move.
>> Second.

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» Terry Spagle first.
Rob Taylor second.

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All in favor?
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» I motion passes

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onto a long-term contract.

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But with uh I don't know why I have such
trouble with this name.

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» Arcadus.
>> Arcadus. I always want to put Y in it

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when I say it.
>> Long-term control plan.

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» Long-term control plan. Yes. Any public
participation on this one?

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» Man, I do.
>> Greg Y 1125 Hillrest Drive. I mean, I

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understand we got to do this. Uh I'm
going back on the thing, too. Is where's

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the money coming from this back? Let's
go back to the money situation on this.

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Okay, we were told that when we paid for
the new water treatment plant, whatever

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those increases would be, that money
could not be touched.

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» Okay, plain simple. Okay, we we can't
touch it. It's been was said in council

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meetings. I went back to the tapes and
it's there. So, if anybody wants to say

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it's not there, bring it on.
>> But we just they just said it again

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about that one.
>> Yep. So, the thing is, I understand we

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got to do it, but the only thing is I
disagree with taking the money out of

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that fund to pay for that because that
was supposed to be used for the

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wastewater treatment plant. I mean,
>> are those not tied together.

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» They're tied together.
>> They're tied. But that's the thing.

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That's how they're getting around this.
They're tying it together.

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» We have to We have to do the
>> I understand.

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» But I'm going back on what was said when
we everybody agreed to this.

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» Okay. Now it's turned around to where
whatever they want to do with it now. So

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the their gentleman's agreement is like
has been brought up before doesn't mean

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a crap it means anymore with this
administration to me. Okay?

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» Because basically they can do no wrong.
They can do whatever they want to with

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our money. Raise raise rates do whatever
they want to without any

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anything to the taxpayers to say okay
enough's enough.

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» Well, but that's all I got to say.
Thanks.

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» Thank you, sir.
>> Um Tom, again, you probably hit on this

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better than I can, but I'll give it a
shot. When we started looking at the

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wastewater plant because it needed fix
again, EPA stepping in. This needs done.

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And that was with the government EPA at
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» That was the US EPA.
>> US EPA, excuse me, US EPA at that time.

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» And then down the road, state got
involved. the state wanted to come in

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and come over and take over that part of
it which we really wanted to do. It

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gives us better options
down the road. Uh at that time we

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thought we only needed to do the
wastewater plant. This was not part of

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the original agreement we were going to
do with the company was going to do the

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wastewater plant.
>> All the CSOS.

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» Yeah. All
>> but that was the plan all along though,

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right? to get that done too,
>> but it wasn't it wasn't involved in the

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original
>> wastewater.

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» Yeah.
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» re ref reabbing of the wastewater plant.
>> This needs to be part of it and

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shouldn't be part of it.
>> Yeah. The long-term control plan that

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right EPA requires us to do is the is
getting the uh the storm water out of

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the system
>> and doesn't go to have the CSOS.

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» It doesn't go to Upper Suski anymore. It
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That's right. Right.
>> Yeah.

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So, uh, long-term control plan is
something we've been working on,

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» and don't we need we need this these
flow meters to determine how big our new

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plant needs to be. Correct. Yeah,
>> that's what that was my

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» idea what's going on with it. Yes.
What's the flow? What's the high flow

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when it picks up,
>> right?

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» And
>> Terry's been in wastewater for number of

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years.
>> More years alive, probably. [laughter]

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I'm only 25.
>> It covers covers everything from if we

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if we just need to rebuild the
clarifiers we got, how many clarifiers

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we have to add to it. If the osmosis
system needs to be bigger, all that

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stuff's involved with this.
>> Osmosis out there.

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[snorts]
>> Yeah, it is. It's something

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that EPA requires you to do is that
long-term control plan. They don't want,

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you know, to continue it because they
don't want you to stop right now where

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you're at and [snorts]
build a new plant that's doing good.

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You're still going to have overflows.
That's what they don't want, right?

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» They want us to get down to uh I think
it's 10 in it

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» overflows. Three, four years now. Wow.
>> Wow.

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» On each
>> total. Total.

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» How you going to get 17 down to to any?
>> You're not going to get it down to that.

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» That's what they want.
>> 17's a major one. If nobody knows, it's

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the Buffalo. starts up with the
fairgrounds, comes right under here,

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goes out on Warren Street. It's the
buffalo. It's a It's a 40 inch pipe, and

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when it rains, the black stuff comes out
of it because I was under time in 15

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minutes.
>> They want to get rid of the first flush

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that they want to get rid of, don't
they?

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» Yeah.
>> That pipe need replaced.

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» No, can't replace it. Well, the
long-term control plan, what what

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originally it's going to do, I don't
know if it's still like this, was to

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turn that into a storm sewer and get
laterals on each side of that, but

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they're still planning on doing with the
with the buffalo.

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» Do you know?
>> Not yet.

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» Okay. That's way down the road.
>> We'll be gone by the time we get that

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done. Yeah. That's going to a big dis
disruption of the city. But that's the

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original plan because that
>> Yeah. But to get that down to four.

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But we have to have it. So

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» Mhm.
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us down lower than four. That's just
>> that's a crazy amount anyway to get down

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to.
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» that's a crazy amount to get down in.
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» is that four for each one for four
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» Period. There used to be was 10, was it?
Why did they drop it so low?

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» Got to save the planet, bud.

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» Yeah, we we to the water plant also know
the water plan had to be done.

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Okay, I'm going to entertain to make a
get a motion to authorize and direct

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save safety service director to enter
into a contract with Arcadus

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to

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administer long-term control plan again
as an emergency.

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» So moved.
>> Rob Taylor first,

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Cody Scott second. All in favor?
>> I.

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» All opposed?
Oh, sorry. Sorry. I All opposed.

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Motion passes.
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lease and servicing uh center NC L
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Capital.
Any public participation on that one?

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» Yeah,
I know what that was.

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» Greg Y 1125 Hill Crest Drive. Now I can
talk about this. Yes, sir. Okay. So, we

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were just told Thursday night that there
we were going to get more information

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about this.
>> Yes, you were.

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» And all of a sudden now it's on the
agenda tonight for emergency.

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Okay. And we haven't even been able to
voice our opinions or even talk about

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this or even know what the hell's going
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what the heck's going on? Okay. Once
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we're being told certain things and all
of a sudden then the lies come out. what

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I believe to be true is nothing but lies
coming out about stuff. Okay, why not be

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open and transparent and bring
everything to the table instead of

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hiding all this crap. Okay, this is
where our government is not being

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transparent and not being effective.
Okay. So to me this contract you got

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this committee n xnay it right now till
we get more information till citizens

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can understand this better to where you
guys can understand this because matter

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of fact as brought up before about when
you guys go into executive session

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you're given 10 minutes with something
and then have to make a rash decision.

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This doesn't have to be a rash decision.
This this needs to be ironed out, talked

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about, and this administration needs to
be told that the citizens are pissed off

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about this when they keep doing crap
like this.

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» Well, I I can't speak for every
individual citizen. I'll speak as an

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elected official. This this should not
have been thrown on this agenda as an

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emergency, especially given what Mr.
White is correct in saying. We were told

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this was not
urgent and we do need more information

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and I think the proper way to go about
this to hold a town hall and get the

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public's input because this this is not
the only option available to us. Buying

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new garbage trucks is not the only
option. There are other options we can

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do to save money as a city and those
those options should at least be part of

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the conversation.
And the fact that you guys did try to

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throw this in here as an emergency after
telling us this was not urgent and we

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would get more information. I don't I
don't really like that.

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So I I don't know and I don't know why
we had to do that. I don't know why you

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guys did that.
>> All right. Thank you.

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» Very valid points.
>> Any other public participation?

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» Ken Law 625 South Spring Street. to go
along with this vein of uh conversation.

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Everything that has been passed so far
tonight is the same thing there. There's

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no emergency. What what tell me why it
was an emergency for anything that we

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that you guys legislated tonight.
>> We need to get this uh these flow meters

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going. We need to we need to get going
on storm water control. We really need

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» How long have you been aware of it?
Well, I mean, I've had I've heard this

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conversation six, eight months ago, but
not as an elected official,

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» but it was about six or eight months ago
when when the state started coming in

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state started coming in. And
>> our our process is three readings over 6

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week period, right?
>> Makes law uh four weeks later. So,

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you're talking less than 3 months. But
they said that uh excuse me that the uh

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uh the water testing or the um flow
monitoring is wants to be done in March

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when when the flow is the highest when
you get the most flow through your

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sewers at the time of the year.
>> Did we not?

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» Did we not know that a year ago?
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March is high tide.
>> We had different counsel

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going on time.
>> Greg's point is well t you know taken

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here that [snorts] it doesn't smell
good. Oh, no. They're smell good. But

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» this every every other every other thing
that gets passed here is an emergency.

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And that's because of poor planning, not
because it's an emergency because nobody

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had nobody woke up 3 months ago and
said, "You we got to do something about

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this." And
>> well, also, uh, US EPA was and Ohio EPA

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was in a in a tugof-war. Who's going to
run this? And now now Ohio EPA decided

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they're going to within the last I don't
know four months, 3 months, something

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like that. Let's just say four months.
I'm not sure if they even got it yet.

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» Why? Why did we wait four months to to
get off the cracker on this thing?

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» You'd have to ask the previous council
members.

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» Well, no.
First of January, 1st of January, we got

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we got council right here, right?
>> You know, if if

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» there was a problem with the old
administration, which is fine. Okay.

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Come first of Jan, that's over with.
Okay. Good, bad, good, bad, or

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indifferent, it's over with.
>> Fair enough. I'll say this then. If we

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don't if we don't pass this as an
emergency and we miss this deadline now

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we're behind an entire year
>> cuz you can't do it again. We can't put

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these flow meters in the ground until
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» Okay.
>> But are you learn anything? That's

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that's my question because I I don't I
don't care about storm water. Don't care

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about any of this stuff. Okay. It's the
process that I'm that I'm up here

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complaining about. Everything is a
freaking emergency and it's not. Okay.

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That's what's not right about this. And
you guys, the as a group, the whole the

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whole council does doesn't understand
that.

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» Well, actually, this council understands
it better than the last council does. I

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believe
>> that your records does show that. Look

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what you did just tonight.
>> Well, bam, bam, bam.

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» This is just to get it on council floor,
though.

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» Yeah.
>> They could go down on the council floor.

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» It can go down on council floor. Doesn't
that pass on?

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» This is just to get it there.
>> We're not We don't make the laws here.

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» Okay.
>> We take them to the council. It just

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goes you're saying up you're saying that
up. You can't you can't fingerpoint

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going to the direction. And I'm not
trying to be hateful.

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» That's what this this sends it up to
council.

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» You you guys you guys are asking a lot
of us. You're asking us to pay more

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money for this, more money for that,
more of this and that and then you jam

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these all these emergencies on us and
that doesn't that doesn't sit well.

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Okay. It just it just isn't it isn't
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» Well, it doesn't sit well with any of us
either. None of us want to see this. And

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I don't think it was even two months ago
that we didn't know that the state was

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going to be No.
the one that we're going to go with with

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the with the EPA stuff. I don't believe
>> it's still not 100%.

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» It's still not 100%. So, we still don't
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going to be a state that's actually
controlling what we do.

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That's what sucks about all this. None
of this is fair for anybody. But we got

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we we're up here to make some of the
tough decisions we got to make.

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Unfortunately,
that's what you elected us for. And hate

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us or whatever. It's we're stuck with
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any more public participation on this
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I'll ask you, Robert, do you think we
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we got more information?
>> Not only should we table it, I [snorts]

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think we need a motion to uh to
entertain other options. I don't I'm not

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convinced that buying
two new trucks, keeping two trucks and

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running trash ourselves is necessarily
the best option. It may very well turn

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out to be the best option, but I think
we need to entertain the other options

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and there are other options.
>> I don't have the I don't have the in

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front of me, but I don't I think without
checking that this is already on our

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agenda to do other options. If not, I
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have this put on there to look for other
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» you refer the next.
>> Yeah, for this

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» for um
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» trash trucks are
>> in short. Yes, I agree with you uh chair

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that this should be tabled
>> Cody.

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» Yep.
>> I agree too. We're going to table this

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one for now.

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» Oh, I don't think it needs a first
second for table, does it? No,

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absolutely not.
>> This is going to be tabled for now.

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Citizens participation again for the
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» Seeing none, we're going to journ at
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