[0:00] Heat.
[0:12] Heat.
[0:36] Heat. Heat.
[0:43] Heat. Heat.
[0:56] Heat. Heat.
[1:07] Okay.
[1:28] September 10, 2026.
[1:39] to the flag of the United States of
America and to the
[1:45] stands. My nation
[1:49] with liberty and for all
[2:10] tonight. We do have a forum so we can go
ahead and vote on stuff tonight.
[2:15] Tonight's hearing is a result hearing um
for Miss Don and Sun Resort and um she
[2:25] has
to have stopped in the resort. So that
[2:29] um
we need to consider
[2:34] and Mr. Would you like to take the
questions for you if you don't mind?
[2:39] » Sure.
[2:42] Um to start off with, one of the
questions I have is when did you
[2:46] actually stop being a 11 years ago? 11
years ago.
[2:52] And um
you've been getting uh business licenses
[2:58] for uh up until this year uh for
>> Yeah.
[3:04] Okay.
[3:08] And then um another question I have is
um at the council meeting it was
[3:14] mentioned that um you can possibly order
out $40,000 or there's a $40,000 number.
[3:23] Could you explain that to us?
>> If I sell as residential, I would get
[3:29] more money than commercial.
>> Okay. Did you have an appraisal any
[3:33] chance? you know, I'm waiting to see
what's going on with this. Perfect. Um,
[3:38] and what is your desire? Um, this one
that uh the only thing I'm wearing right
[3:45] now is my house and the cabin next door.
Okay. Uh, is there something in
[3:52] particular that you're looking to show
that you have? Uh, are you familiar with
[3:58] the zones? Just like I all I want is the
house in like a mother-in-law.
[4:05] » In other words, you want a residential
one zone,
[4:10] » whatever that is.
>> That's a single single dwelling or
[4:13] single residence.
>> Yeah.
[4:15] » On the property
[4:19] home,
right? As long as it's small in the
[4:23] house. Absolutely. It is.
[4:30] something
[4:33] um
[4:37] which again just a statement I don't
know a lot of times partial property is
[4:42] more valuable than this in general
that's why I wish you had probably
[4:52] » I mean I'm trying to tell you you're
going to get something to check in
[4:56] personal property is more valable.
>> Well, maybe you don't realize that maybe
[5:03] you do. Uh but if you have the property
up for sale, you do not have to reszone
[5:09] it.
>> Okay?
[5:12] » You can keep it as and sell it as a C4
commercial property. This is an option
[5:19] for you. It's in or our ordinances and
such. so that you know what your options
[5:25] are.
>> Okay.
[5:26] » Okay.
>> Yeah.
[5:28] » All right. I mean, which gives you some
choices and depending on what you would
[5:31] like to do yourself. We're here to go
along pretty much with what you feel
[5:39] best for what you need at this
particular time because we have a set of
[5:45] parameters.
>> We've got to sell it right now.
[5:50] Eight years ago, I tried reszoning and I
had a veteran family that was actually
[5:56] trying to buy and they just wanted to do
their own family
[6:02] and just keep it as a multif family, but
that didn't work.
[6:08] Okay,
they couldn't get a commercial lo.
[6:14] Um tonight, um we've been required to
make a decision on which way you want to
[6:20] go. Do you have whether your thoughts
here before us tonight? Are you going to
[6:26] keep it resort or are you going to do uh
residential? Um unfortunately, we cannot
[6:33] give you the gift of time. We have to
make a decision tonight. So, what would
[6:38] you like to see
at the resident? Is that what you were
[6:44] talking
about?
[6:49] Thank you. You do realize I mean
I don't know but you
[7:02] » I understand but usually
is more valuable.
[7:09] When I tried to sell I tried selling it
3 years ago as a commercial and it was
[7:15] nothing.
Nobody was even like offered me 45,000.
[7:22] Well, I just want to tell I myself
[7:29] values. So we're not going to get into
what the values are because we don't
[7:34] have um but thank you. Uh let's open it
up to citizens comments. Okay.
[7:41] I believe there's a few citizens of
um citizens contact.
[7:54] I know it hasn't been a resort in a long
time here. No. And uh um you know it was
[7:59] a long time ago and everything behind.
Does that go up to the core of
[8:04] engineers? No. It does. Okay. Um, you
know, does that set a precedent that if
[8:10] somebody else has a resort and they want
to make it R1 and then if the the new
[8:19] state deal with only happen to have a
400 square ft tiny home or
[8:25] will that set a precedent that some of
these other resorts, Driftwood do the
[8:31] other be able to have smaller cabins and
stuff, will they being able to
[8:38] request our money and come sell off
individually is out. I don't believe it
[8:44] will set a precedent, but it doesn't
stop any of these other resorts from
[8:49] trying the same thing as we're seeing
here tonight.
[8:53] Um, unfortunately, uh, the rules are the
rules, uh, and we can't stop that. Um,
[9:00] well, you can't just sub you couldn't
just subdivide it either.
[9:05] And on the reasons for this hearing is
simply
[9:09] she has stopped operating as a resort.
>> Yeah.
[9:12] » Okay. Which then requires
mandated a resoning.
[9:18] » Now that could be R1, R2 or R3.
>> Yeah.
[9:22] » That's why we're asking her what her
choice would be in this matter because
[9:26] she the resort owner would have that.
>> Is the property next to it the boat not
[9:32] owned? Is that is that commercial?
That's commercial. Um, the back side of
[9:37] her is all poor man. The other side of
her is city floor and across the street
[9:45] from his home. So, if she was fortunate,
she wants to move and sell it and she
[9:50] sells it. If somebody borrowed it and
wanted to go back to see or would that
[9:55] be an option for
>> it would be an option. they would have
[9:58] to come back to us as a resone
application. Um because it would
[10:04] potentially be a new person um they
would be able to come back immediately
[10:09] and ask for a reason um with Miss
Jones's case after tonight. If she
[10:15] decided to switch back, she has to wait
in here one one year. Thank you.
[10:30] 505 shortest drive. Uh my wife and I, we
own Lodge uh adjacent to Glory property.
[10:38] Um and a year ago, we started hearing
more things that she was interested in
[10:43] possibly moving and selling her. After
some time of reflection,
[10:49] uh we decided that it would be a good
opportunity for us to expand our
[10:52] operations and based off of the new
resources that we heard from. Uh we made
[10:58] a couple approaches to her saying that
we were interested in p in possibly
[11:04] purchasing the property from her when
she was ready to sell. Um and based off
[11:09] of the last competition uh my wife had
with her in August, she was creating.com
[11:16] and uh we would like to to purchase it,
have a local property to expand our
[11:22] operations. Um we were not aware of that
was for sale 3 years ago. Um eight seven
[11:29] years ago when we had it for sale and
we're not in position to buy that. We
[11:33] were just starting out. Um and now in
place where we are looking to expand our
[11:40] operations.
So you should be confident. Yeah. And
[11:45] and last we talked to her in I believe
in the middle of August. She was waiting
[11:49] to hear back on appraisal and she's
going to let us know and then here we
[11:54] are. this committee uh is we're here to
determine what she wants to do and if it
[12:02] goes residential and of course ours is
just a recommendation to the city
[12:06] council. We are not making a final
decision tonight ourselves. We are
[12:11] making a recommendation
out of this committee to the city
[12:14] council. But if she wants to go ahead
with an R1 and city council then approve
[12:21] that, then you would have to come back
to us and request a resoning as just
[12:26] stated. So you guys know all this I mean
right this business between you guys.
[12:32] Yeah. So that's all I have.
Thank you for
[12:40] anybody else on this.
uh tire on cheap uh 56 short drive
[12:47] adjacent properties. So my question
would be as an R1 building would that be
[12:52] able to be rented out as multiple
dwellings to your separate households?
[12:58] She would have to live in one of the
buildings and she would be able to rent
[13:04] out the other one. Um
the beginning of the year the state
[13:09] passed city law that said everyone in a
single family growing um can have a
[13:16] mother-in-law apartment. There's size
limits. Um I'm not sure
[13:23] makes that but it's grandmother.
>> Okay. It's existing so we're not going
[13:28] to push that issue. You should get
rented out as on your own property. you
[13:33] can build a mobile company and you can
rent it out. So, um if it becomes a
[13:39] business and she's doing Airbnb, she'll
have to uh apply for her business
[13:44] license to get inspected. Um it would
probably be in her best interest to get
[13:49] inspected
and we don't have people. So okay that
[13:56] was that was just where I was I guess
bit fuzzy on the on the matter be out of
[14:03] the multi family property at that point
one is a single family
[14:07] Okay.
>> R2 becomes like a duplex. R3 would be
[14:11] like an apartment complex.
>> Okay. So, you would be hardressed to be
[14:16] able to put multiple buildings back on
she
[14:21] doesn't give her the automatic breaking.
Um especially if she decides to go with
[14:28] res.
[14:33] Thank you. Thank you. Anybody
[14:39] else like to see
[14:49] Locus Avenue voting on them in a couple
weeks? Um,
[14:56] and now to hear that there may be a a
commercial interest in them, is there
[15:02] some way that we can word this
so that
[15:07] the people that want to buy it on a
commercial basis could have a time
[15:12] window to do that. And then if that
didn't work,
[15:17] then we could go to
the residential zoning. I I don't I'm
[15:25] just asking. I really honestly do not
know. Is there is there a way that we
[15:29] can
I don't I mean and I don't know if
[15:33] you're if if you're open to that if
you're open to listening to an offer
[15:38] from them or whatever but I I I would
hate to see it get shifted to one thing
[15:44] and then all of a sudden somebody live
turn it into a you know business which
[15:51] would be great for the community and
then all of a sudden they're back here
[15:54] going oh no we need another zoning
chain. So, is there a way that I and
[16:00] again I really this is an honest
question because I don't know is there a
[16:03] way that we can put some kind of
grace period in there where we can
[16:12] it will come to you. Uh there will be a
grace period between the time tonight
[16:16] where we make a recommendation and
generate a recommendation and when it
[16:21] comes before you at a council meeting or
if you decide to do a special meeting I
[16:26] don't know how you're going to handle
it. Um that would be I would consider
[16:30] that period in the next meeting. I think
it's what a week and a half away. Yeah.
[16:36] Okay.
[16:42] » Yeah. Okay. So, that would be in your
hands. Uh tonight we are required to
[16:49] make a recommendation to the council. Uh
or against not sure how it will go yet.
[16:55] Um but then we will give you the
information as a councilman and uh city
[17:02] council. Okay. Do what you wish.
Correct. And it will be in your hands.
[17:07] If you want to indicate what that would
that's
[17:14] okay. All right. Thanks.
[17:31] Uh my question would be
I went across a lot of locks around
[17:38] here.
Nor
[17:46] do you know how many blocks there is
over there? 3/4 of an acre. It's not
[17:52] split into lots or anything.
It is uh every property is split into a
[17:59] lot. So I'm guessing there's three
lights. Okay. So what would
[18:06] I guess my question would be
if you put it into R1
[18:13] someone buys the property
other than Tyler.
[18:19] Um and they wanted to subdivide that.
Take those lots, put them in three ways,
[18:25] bring three free lots there, build free
properties there
[18:30] that still be all and then Tyrone
across the street.
[18:39] Yeah. Um that is entirely possible.
Somebody has a residential property. The
[18:46] only thing that would be standing in her
way of or anybody's way of uh building
[18:52] other houses is where the buildings that
are existing sit on the land. If they're
[18:57] on property, we're going to have a
problem. Mhm. And that's going to slow
[19:02] down. So say somebody coming in that
down
[19:12] correct that way. Absolutely.
[19:19] Thank you.
[19:23] Anybody else have any uh comments
close
[19:30] commissioners discussion?
Um, I'll share because um
[19:38] because
[19:41] um
I am not thrilled about switching this
[19:46] to our um or any zone. Um,
one of our biggest problems is we cannot
[19:58] resone property
for somebody to share properties.
[20:10] Um, with that said, um, if you want to
go with our that would be the only thing
[20:16] I would consider. Um
we have to make a decision one way or
[20:22] the other. Um
and also
[20:28] part of this which would go to council
on their decision
[20:33] would be because it affects other
people's property around.
[20:38] There's an interference business.
There's a lot to consider on this and
[20:44] just
doing it for her.
[20:49] I'm not saying not to. I'm just saying
that's something that each time I'm
[20:54] telling you got to think about
because if you're doing damage
[21:01] or costing business to a surrounding
property,
[21:06] well, in my eyes, you're hurting the
business now.
[21:11] So how's it beneficial? Is this
something to take in consideration
[21:17] individual?
Well, well
[21:23] speaking for me,
we're here to deal with the ordinance
[21:28] involved. This is an either or. This is
not you know we can have personal ideas
[21:36] about it or opinions and we are
literally here to because we have a
[21:43] resort that is no longer a resort
instead must be reson known or must be
[21:47] being told as a resort to stay the way
it is. Cut dry
[21:54] and what I would like to find out before
I make a vote again is Mrs. Gnick.
[22:00] What would be your final decision before
this council as or committee as to what
[22:05] you would like to do to reszone or to
sell as a resort that we can recommend
[22:12] to the city council?
Tyler or
[22:19] I prefer to do it actually RT
[22:24] R2.
Why would you do R2? That's um that's
[22:28] duplexes and you don't have a duplex.
[22:33] Um we cannot give you R2. Um R3 is
apartments. R1 is single family. Um, we
[22:42] just can't give you something because
you want it. You have to have a pretty
[22:46] good justification for it. I'm sorry to
say.
[22:51] So, R1 would be probably the only option
that I see this board considering
[22:56] tonight.
Um, or stay
[23:02] commercial. Uh, your choice by all
means.
[23:08] and see what
they're thinking as well.
[23:16] » Well, we have to make a decision tonight
to pass the city council. If you may
[23:22] want to take some time and discuss it
with them, that would be I'm not fine.
[23:26] I'm not going anywhere.
>> Okay.
[23:28] » Okay. It's just we're kind of pressed on
time on this for you and stop here a
[23:34] little bit.
Make your recommendations
[23:43] now
[24:02] is not a decision. City council takes
our recommendation and why we recommend
[24:08] it such that they are going to consider
all that and I guess if you want to come
[24:14] back later to the city council meeting
here in a couple of weeks and say hey we
[24:18] want you know where we'd really like to
go they're going to make the final
[24:22] decision
so
[24:26] give you more time
[24:32] press to say okay two weeks we have to
decision, right? But
[24:39] it's more decision for you where which
direction you want to go.
[24:52] the last year.
That's uh here's what I would recommend
[25:00] and you know leave it or whatever but I
would recommend that if if you want to
[25:05] change our
committee votes on that send their
[25:10] recommendation whatever that vote is to
the council. We've got a week and a half
[25:15] before the council meeting. Obviously,
the council doesn't want to punish you
[25:20] or anybody else or shut down anyone's
business opportunities. So, it's a week
[25:25] and a half for you to talk to Tyler and
see if you can work something out. And
[25:30] if you can or if you can get close, then
you come to the council and say, "Look,
[25:35] we're in the middle of that. Nothing's
going to happen until we vote on it."
[25:42] » What is going on with the citation?
Well, I mean that that's that's out of
[25:46] our hands, but
let's eat the elephant one bite at a
[25:51] time. And if if that gives you a little
bit of leeway to
[25:57] try to work something out. If that looks
promising, then that's great because
[26:02] we'd like to support you getting what
you want. Obviously, they want
[26:06] something. Everybody wants something.
Let's try to accommodate everybody here.
[26:11] that gives you a week and a half and
it's not set in stone but in a week and
[26:14] a half we have to make a vote on it
because
[26:18] we can you know we can lengthen that if
we want to if if you come to us and or
[26:25] they come to us and say hey this is
heading in the right direction we think
[26:28] we can make this work and we just need
another week or another another month
[26:33] um once it's out of your hands correct
you got it done
[26:38] » correct
>> okay so I I I think that's the best
[26:42] compromise that we can come up with
right now. I I I don't know if if that
[26:47] works for you guys or works for you or,
you know, I just want to buy people time
[26:52] to to get this done. So, cuz I would
much rather see, honestly, I'd much
[26:58] rather see a resort go back in there and
and somebody use it as rental property
[27:03] or short-term rental property and have
some place for people to stay because
[27:08] we're headed in that direction. we need
those rooms and but and on the flip side
[27:14] of it, I don't want to just say, "Oh,
you know, I don't care what you want."
[27:18] You know, that's not that's not cool
either. So, I think right now we've got
[27:22] a week and a half that we can we can
maneuver and then at that week and a
[27:28] half somebody comes to the council and
says, "This is where we're at."
[27:33] Um, and I I get you on the citation. I
don't I don't honestly not taking off
[27:40] working.
>> I I
[27:43] not
I'm not done with that issue. I'm just
[27:48] trying to solve this problem, which is
the problem I feel I can solve right now
[27:53] and and get everybody some breathing
room. So, my recommendation would be for
[27:58] you guys to make your vote, talk to the
council,
[28:02] make the recommendation to the council,
and then we have to man up and do what
[28:06] we need to do. Okay? So I I there's one
other councilman, two other council
[28:11] sitting in the room. So and I don't hear
anybody with their hair on fire about
[28:16] what I'm saying. So you know I don't
speak to the council on this one person.
[28:21] But I think that's a compromise that
that everybody can kind of live with and
[28:25] then that gives everybody some
maneuvering room and you guys do your
[28:30] job then you give it to us and then we
have to do our job.
[28:35] That's those are my thoughts.
Thank you. Any discussion amongst the
[28:40] commissioners?
No, it's again the final resolution that
[28:46] you'd like us to recommend to the uh
to the council.
[28:54] Well, with that said, I'm going to make
a motion that we uh recommend a resone
[29:00] to R1.
Do I have a second? I'll second to that.
[29:06] Any more discussion?
[29:10] All in favor? I
opposed. I
[29:22] um actually you don't have to think
anymore because there's only three of us
[29:26] tonight and because we split our votes.
Um we needed a majority of the full
[29:32] commission which would be three people.
There's only two people potentially
[29:36] going to vote tonight. The
recommendation is not to resone it to
[29:42] R1. You have the option to go to the
council and bring your case with them to
[29:48] change it if you so desire or keep it
under.
[29:54] With that said, I'll take a motion to
make that motion.
[30:00] All in favor?
[30:04] Now the meeting is over. I know we can't
talk about multiple things, but with
[30:08] your family coming here for rezoning and
possible attempts to have the uh
[30:14] property possibly sold at commercial
veterans out, that's not our business
[30:19] that's between them. Um I think a
logical decision would be to start
[30:23] considering maybe dropping the citation.
Um, but for no longer having the units
[30:29] there and no one living there other than
herself, uh, I think maybe it's a great
[30:34] way to kind of play this over the
situation. I don't know if that's
[30:39] doable, especially from the citizens.
May I respond to that before everybody
[30:44] gets up?
The commissioners have all discussed
[30:50] this. We have agreed to drop the
citations if she would either come
[30:56] before us, reszone or put it up for
sale.
[31:02] She never came to us and that's why the
citation is out there. The prosecutor
[31:07] and her attorney both know this deal is
on the table. Um, and it's on my it's in
[31:15] the hands of the the court at this time.
So tonight is involved in that does not
[31:23] apply to that
[31:27] to request
but you deny it. So then that means that
[31:31] you can't
>> it's not over it's not over because it
[31:34] has to go to the council but we only
make a recommendation. when you wrote
[31:38] the
>> correct and I also have put it in the
[31:43] hands of the prosecutor and her attorney
with it is up to them
[31:48] » on your recommendation
>> on our recommend the commission
[31:55] you're asking
and I think it's a reasonable request
[32:00] for that
>> it's already done so it's already been
[32:06] done Um it's up to the prosecutor at
this time. Uh that's not up to us
[32:12] anymore. We we put the operata. Um we do
not control the courts. Unfortunately,
[32:18] she did not contact us when she had a
violation letter and she ignored us for
[32:24] 30 days. She ended up with a citation at
that point and went to her court. Um
[32:31] that took it out of our hands. Uh and
that's unfortunate for her. Uh, I went
[32:36] to an attorney before any of those
letters I got from you. You did well.
[32:43] » I went to an attorney to have that girl
convicted and when I called my property
[32:56] did not communicate with us for what we
had to do and I I want to apologize.
[33:04] I should have come to you. I came to
stone and that's who gave me the
[33:10] citation even though I already had her
evicted
[33:14] long before
that I got the citation the information
[33:19] we were given and that's unfortunate.
She was before
[33:24] um that I guess I should have to bring
up. Sorry Lori. um it went out of our
[33:30] hands when the citation went out and
it's now in this uh the court's hands.
[33:37] Uh your prosecutor and the prosecutor
attorney
[33:42] and
um I think it would be wise for everyone
[33:47] to review the actual process and how it
happened because I'm not sure that the
[33:52] full picture is being played out yet.
And that's
[33:57] we
[34:00] close.
[34:07] Um even though we don't have any
official poll with the court, could the
[34:12] council make recommendation to the
court? you could um claim already asked
[34:19] and um for some reason um I believe the
attorney is the one that has been
[34:26] procrastinated and put it off what
reasons I have no idea I'm not to that
[34:37] conversations about that weren't
supposed to happen or part of why
[34:43] » um I where you're going with that, but I
was instructed I was ask questions on my
[34:51] um position as
the chair of Honey. The prosecutor asked
[34:57] me questions, I answered them. I was
only there to assist. I was not
[35:02] controlling the court case. The
>> not even her court case was brought up
[35:09] until
further at some point. So you're trying
[35:14] to put it on her her prosecutor, her
parent
[35:19] our meeting had nothing to do with her.
[35:24] The meeting's over, folks.