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Okay. Hi. Good evening. I would like to call to order the for bank water and power. Board meeting. It is 5 p.m. September 3rd.

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Members of the public may participate in the meeting in person or by telephone, to speak telephonically during oral communications period, please call 8182383627.

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Let's move on to the flag salute, please.

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You'll join me by standing up, which is right hand over your heart and begin.

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All right, thank you.

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Mr. Cassius, will you please call the roll?

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Yes.

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Mr. Oldman.

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President.

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Mr. Cherry.

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Here.

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Mr. Eskinder.

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Mr. Luddy.

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Mr. Malot.

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Mr. Nielsen.

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Here.

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And Mr. Smith.

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Okay, oral communications at this time City staff will announce participants present for public comment and then proceed to announce any collars in real time to the board.

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Each speaker will have a maximum of three minutes on any matter concerning the business of Burbank Water and Power.

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If you would like to participate in oral communications telephonically, please call 818-238-3627.

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Mr. Cassius, are there any public comment cards?

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Yes, we have two.

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First speaker, Mary Tierney?

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Okay.

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Welcome.

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Come on up.

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Yes, please.

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Hello, gentlemen.

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We love living in Burbank.

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It's a privilege.

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Everything is so well done here.

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And we understand that we may pay a little bit more

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for things and that things need to. Improvements need to be made and I know Burbank is

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I've heard it's very forward with trying to arrange alternate energy sources and so forth.

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But with the air conditioning really kicking up this past month we noticed a huge increase in our

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And so I hadn't looked at any of the rate changes from 2025 to 2026.

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And the big total of my bill prompted me to do that.

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And I noticed, I went online and looked at the website.

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I saw that a 10% increase.

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But my kilowatt hour is not 10%.

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It's like hundreds that I'm not good at math.

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But this is kind of, I brought my bills to illustrate.

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The tier one, just to keep it really simple, the first 300 kilowatt hours, and 2025 was 0.0294, which is almost 3 cents per kilowatt hour.

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Now, in 2026,

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that is 14.14, basically 14, 15 cents per kilowatt hour.

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So going from three cents to 15 cents is not 10%.

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And I thought, I'll go to the next meeting and ask,

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how do I square that?

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Because I don't think my math is that far off.

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That's my comment.

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We'll have responses afterwards.

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OK.

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Thank you very much for coming up.

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I appreciate your public comment.

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Thank you.

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Thank you for hearing me.

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Are you finished?

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Yes.

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OK.

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Awesome.

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Thank you very much.

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do we have another speaker? Yes, Jeff Palmer. Okay.

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Welcome.

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Good afternoon. Jeff Palmer with Brightmove Energy. We're a design build

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electrical contracting firm, regionally based and specifically in Orange County. So near to

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Burbank. We've had the fortunate outcome to be tentatively awarded the design build contract

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for the public EV charging stations that are the sites are kind of TBD, but there'll be

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initial analysis, feasibility, and then I'll enter design and engineering, and then come

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out the other side with a functional accessible affordable and reliable charging network for

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both the community and also visitors and computers. And so I just want to on behalf of our team I

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I don't want to do what I was saying.

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Thank you for the opportunity, hopefully it's approved tonight, and we'll work hard on your behalf.

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And the outcome that we're really focused on is fast-forwarding to the charging experience for the community.

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Reliable charging stations that are working when they're supposed to transparent communications.

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So when a charger is either offline or the charging stations are full, making sure that information is real time.

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folks that are navigating kind of real-time charging options, we'll see that. And then there's

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also some advanced technologies that we can also pilot as well. So the grid modernization

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theme here, this is this is one asset, this is one avenue to pursue and we we appreciate the

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opportunity. Thank you. Okay, thank you very much. Do we have any other speakers? You know other

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cards and we have no colors okay.

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Let's see if there are no other colors and no one else

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present. We'll go ahead and declare a public comment period closed. Is there some board

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or staff responses? This is Monday, Sam. We're not going to talk today. General Manager for

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being quarter and power. Mary, thank you for bringing this to light. I think we can do a better

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job explaining what happened here, what it is is the line item previously was called the

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energy cost adjustment charge. And it only included any nominal increases in the energy,

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but we ended up just including it as a more of a base charge that was the change. So the group

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of funds at the end really went up about 13 to 14% for residential on average is 9.9%. But that line

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particular. One line went down significantly that went up to just correct the title with the actual rate.

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Overall, your rates should be closer to about 14% or so because the for residential is about that for

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commercials, about 6.7. I am also going to hand it off to Joseph Liddy Lillio or CEO and this is a

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fact for our costs of service studying to really make sure that all the things are in the correct

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budget. That was one thing. I noticed having worked at four other utilities are three other utilities.

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So, we modified that change, but overall, the increase was not that much.

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Yeah, thank you, Ms. Hammer.

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So, as Ms. Hammer mentioned, looking at the tier one, yes, that they go up more than, you know, the ten percent.

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However, if you look at the energy adjustment charge, e-cack, that went down significantly.

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I think that was 13. something since that went down to about three cents.

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So, you got to look at them in conjunction together.

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Okay. Yes. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you to our resident for coming in and speaking and

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Ms. Samra and Mr. Lillio. I did raise with you that I had seen some communication that

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was similar. Concerns from citizens, customers about the rate increase not being exactly

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9.9 percent. Now, Ms. Samurai heard you cited that for residential customers, it's more like 13 or 14%.

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But it is the first time I've heard it. It doesn't surprise me too much, but I think that maybe this is, there's some confusion out there in the community.

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And I'm so glad that someone's coming in and raised it.

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I think this is the kind of communication that we have to have out there because the 9.9 percent is a very exact number.

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And people look at their bill and say, is it really, I'm going to multiply it by 9, you know, 9, 9%, and it, oh, no, that's not what it is and something's wrong.

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So I think it would be helpful to provide a range and also say what you just said, which is on average it's a bit more for residential, a little less for a commercial.

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And also this thing about the e-catch charge was confusing to a lot of people.

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So there may be opportunity, I know there's another rate increase coming and there may be an opportunity to really help spell this out for people so they don't, you know, a year from now we don't have more people coming say I heard it was going to be another 9.9% but that's not what I saw just my thoughts.

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So, well, just to add a caveat here, we did advertise and we did go through every single customer type here in the board meeting twice as well as the handout that was given to every bill insert walk through the different classifications and the increases the average is 9.9 for electric but for water is 14% across the board, it's just we have different tiers so we're definitely working on that messaging to make it really clear to our customers and also like to highlight right now besides rivers,

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We're still the most affordable and also by far the most reliable utility and Southern California F-9 anything south of PG&E so I'm really proud of that and it's really the right

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We need a lot of infrastructure and we're actually getting a lot done. And we had about 5% cost savings from grants alone. So thank you.

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Yes, Mr. Chair.

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Ms. Samurai, if someone comes to the board meeting, has questions? Where can they follow up, additionally?

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I would say the key, email myself. I'm on the website. So on deep dot, was it?

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I'm Samra at Burbank.

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Burbankgov.ca, God, what is it?

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Sorry, I worked at two new utilities.

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Okay, Burbank.ca.gov, sorry I have.

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I've worked out way to new utilities,

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so what do email addresses here?

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But we're on the website, we just go to BWP,

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and it'll say who are we, who is the team.

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My name is a first one up pops up.

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My cell phone is there too.

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It's 818-967-1997.

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I have that Omie 24-7.

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So if you send me a text or call me, I pick it up.

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more than happy to help. We are working on streamlining the messaging. We're just waiting

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or right now, we're in a election time. I don't really want to distract from that, so we'll

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post the developer.

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And I do want to thank also one of the customers coming to the board meeting here and addressing

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this issue as well. Thank you.

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It takes a lot to get up in front of folks and tell your story, so thank you very much.

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Okay, any other comments from staff responses?

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All right, Ms. Samurai, general manager report, please.

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I'm going to turn it on.

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So I'm on Deep Samurai General Manager.

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So first thing I want to do is introduce two new team members to the BWP team.

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We have Griseldah Delacruz and Mary Garibbean, Grappian.

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They're both in our HR team, so they help with disciplines training, safety.

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So, this is Mary and Gracelle does right there, so they both come from city HR, our municipal services department, so we're really lucky that we got them here.

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They've really been helping us out with a lot of our safety things, training things, so they also manage a little bit of safety as well.

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So, really happy to have them here.

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So, we'll deal with personnel matters, anything that deals with HR, and that these on relationship is great, since they used to work there, and they know all the ins and outs.

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So, thank you.

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Second, this is really important because it happened on August 11th.

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We did have a large outage in downtown affecting over 8,000 customers.

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So what happened there is the town substation.

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It's an older substation.

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Any time we do work on it, there are sometimes chances of an outage.

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We are looking to buy property down the line to rebuild this and enhance the town substation.

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It does need to be overhauled at some point.

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Hopefully the next 5 to 10 years depending on how much money we have in capital.

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We are aware of this. We are trying to do everything else. No, we could prepare or fix it, but we are going to experience these types of outages until a new substation can be built.

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We are looking at that as you all can imagine, it's hard to find new property in downtown Burbank.

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And it doesn't come cheap, right? So we're looking at tens and millions of dollars initially, so just for probably the buy out of property. So just want to give you that heads up.

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There's one property for sale. I won't give details, but it's way in excess of 10 million dollars

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So we do need to find a spot. We need to get in the queue for transformers and parts and then we are going to get to that

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That'll probably be part of our you know, you'll see our capital a project we come to the budget. So

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Is that a 4k v station?

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Yes, it is it's 4k v so part of the 4k v the 12 convert 12 k v convergent will require this to be

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Reconfigured or we actually need a new site and what when is that actually slated to be done?

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So, I will, so right now, it's not on the book's right yet.

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I'm gonna hand it to Riyadh.

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Riyadh, Slayman, Chief AGM.

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So, yeah, that area is sort of right in the middle of the hillside.

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Geographically, when you're converting, you want to make sure that you're converting

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and you have 12 KV on one side, so you could feed it.

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Unfortunately, that's right in the middle.

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It's not the oldest station, but it doesn't, you know, it doesn't have our current standards.

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And so we're thinking, as Monty mentioned, five to six to seven years, that area should be part of the area that would be converted to 12.

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Until then, we're trying to look for multiple ways to alleviate some of the issues that we are currently having.

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So that's just part of that. Again, this used to be a 24 or 25 year program. Now we've cut it down, you know, to hopefully under 10 years.

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So I was one of the folks that experienced that out of it, and it was generally what, yeah,

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it was generally like it was like 45 minutes.

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Like it wasn't terribly long, but communications and stuff about the outage and the cause

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and stuff like that on one side, because I hadn't really seen like enough, like here's what

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caused it and whatever else I saw.

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A little social geographic some folks back up and others not. Is this the same

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substation that we had the fault? Wow, earlier than the year. Yes. Okay. But we

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replaced the transformer at that substation. That was while we were replacing the

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transformer that that occurred. That occurred. Okay. So I guess the line of

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questioning, it's not for right now, and it's probably for at some point, but

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one question would be, how did we determine that purchasing another property to build

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of their substation is the best path forward, right?

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I'm not a huge fan of taking commercial or private real estate off the market for government

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use, so it's just not, it's a loss of economic activity in the community.

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From one side, the other is, you know, $10 million dollars to buy the property and build it

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versus hooking up some mobile, you know, substation for a little while and whatever.

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I guess overall, I would love to have that discussion here and kind of get that conversation

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about not going up, because we've had several conversations about this utility buying property lately,

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and I'm generally concerned about the use of the great-pairs money for some of these purchases

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of property when we're talking tens of millions of dollars of buying property. So that's one question,

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and then the other is what you made a statement about, we're going to experience these types of outages

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why and what can we do, what are the alternatives, what's the, what else, again, it may

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not be for tonight.

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This may be a larger conversation for later, but I guess I've never heard that type

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of statement in my, you know, 14 years that we're going to experience something like this

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regular.

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And I know that we've had several more over the course of the last month.

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And I'll say not regularly, but more than we've had in the past, although I'm real.

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And it'll be more, it's more of, on the 4KV specifically that area,

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it's, it's a lot more prone

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to these kind of outages than the 12KV and a current standard. Our current standards, you know,

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I think we've built that maybe 40, 50 years ago. It's been a while.

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Our current standard is takes into account a lot of these and we have a lot of processes in place that

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able us to shorten the outage or make it seamless.

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This one is just one of the older stations we can't really do much about it.

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And to put it up to our newest standard, I mean, it's kind of a costly way too much, but

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as well built a new station.

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Perhaps perhaps we should agendaise this for a future meeting when we can spend some time on it.

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And you can prepare it.

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Yeah, and the budget will have this discussion too.

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Okay.

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Is that right?

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Yeah.

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It sounds like it's a super important topic, and I mean, substitutions are we're talking,

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You know, tens and tens of millions of dollars in an investment that's a generational investment.

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So I think it's worth a very, very long conversation.

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I mean, hopefully a much longer conversation than we had about the water agreement with San Diego.

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All right.

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Multi-generational and we didn't talk a whole lot about it here.

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So then we did have another outage recently, too.

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And that was at an underground substation area of underground mines.

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So, I do when I lay any time we have underground mines, it is hard to pinpoint the outer just a confined space.

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You do have to energy energize the lines.

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When it's above ground, you can actually see the squirrel, you can see the mylar balloon.

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It's a little bit easier to work with, so that to take a little bit longer.

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But people were turned on mine and we did post everything on social media.

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We are working on text space, you know, letting customers know.

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not that there's an outage in the area. We're not going to be pin point that your house is out,

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but just there's an outage in the area. I wanted to let you know. We're on it. We're out there.

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We're trying to fix it. So I just want to let you know hopefully in the next couple of weeks or next month or so,

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we'll have some testing of that. And just last thing on the outage is going forward just like the last one we had.

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You guys are doing a root cause analysis and you'll bring that back to the word as well.

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You're finding things. So yeah. Yeah, thank you. So the next topic and I'll try to keep it

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already 520. So I will keep it brief. So we are housing the international operation sliders

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center slash international broadcasting center for the Olympics. So the Warner Brothers

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launch is ran just providing that space. So this is the largest event of his kind.

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We're a lot of broadcasters are coming. So this is going to be a lot. We're probably going to have

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an influx of 30,000 people at the high end. But day to day we're looking at least 24,000 broadcasters

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on site starting as early as 2027.

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So we are working closely with LA 28 to get everything set up.

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We do have funding through them,

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but also we're trying to close out some of the long term

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infrastructure improvements that we need

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and we'll start with that area as well.

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Most of it is already fully covered because it's the media

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district and we just went through major enhancements there.

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But also one of the things is that we are like a global center

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for media, but this also points us out

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to be a global center for reliability and our resources

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and affordability.

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So there will be increased activity. We'll try to put as much notice out there, especially near the

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Warner-Ramp Studios. We're looking at mobile subs, things like that. You'll see your budget.

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We already had some planned for.

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So we're looking at that very closely because we know it's a temporary issue, so but we will be closely engaged in the planning process.

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We work with the Games Energy Council. We meet every quarter and then each one of the HGMs has separate meetings too.

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And we're ready to welcome them.

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So the other thing too is next week, the Department of Energy Assistant Secretary Catherine Jeriza is coming here.

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She is a part of the Department of Energy Roadshow. They're showcasing one utility in California.

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and it happens to be burbank. And the reason we were selected is first of our relationship with DOE,

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but we also have two large grants from the federal government, possibly three in excess of

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$10 million that really utilizes their funds for reliability. So the 4KB-12KB conversion,

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hardening infrastructure, and I'm also including for the health side. That's about $3 million.

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And then for the other one, it's 5.1. And then we also had maybe about $4 million in IRA funding for

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of the RITC regional and tumultal transportation center.

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So collectively, the federal government has been a good partner.

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They will be out here.

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It will be the heads of the utilities from other utilities

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or participating in the Olympics or adjacent to us,

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as well as Southern California Public Power Authority.

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We'll have a brief press conference, but it is limited.

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Since it is a member of, that's reports directly

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to Chris White, right?

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So a really high level member of federal agencies staff.

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So we'll be doing demonstrations and things like that.

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And it will be in the media.

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maybe you'll see us on the news because we are walking in the three one of our demonstration projects.

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I do want to thank our team here. This has never happened to be moving before to get a visit from

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high-level federal officials from the Department of Energy and to be highlighted in the road show

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is a really big deal. So it happened also quickly and so shout out to Riyadh and you know,

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Armando and Jason and the team and Marisa and Armand for really putting this together. We had literally

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three weeks. So it's happening next week. And then also just a good news here. We got it right

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now. We're slated to receive as part of the state budget additional $1 million for the Reservoir

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Reservoir 2 collectively through federal and state funding. We receive about 2 million in earmarks

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which is great. That offsets nearly 10% of the costs. It's 2.4 would have been 10% but

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24 million is a projected cost. I think that's a great win and a great testament to our team

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forgetting those funds. And then lastly, you do have the booklets for the Brown Act updates

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and the book for the, you know, the boards, commissions and committees handbook,

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which covers each, you know, PCC, their establishment, their composition, meeting information,

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and the powers and duties of the respective boards. There were a lot of changes made here.

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One of them was like keeping everything into like two hours if we can, you know,

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So we're going to have exceptions.

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Secondly, just kind of highlighting the advisory

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of the board and separating the rules of the board

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and the GM and the people that work here.

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And with that, I think I conclude my report.

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And thank you so much.

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OK, thank you very much.

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Any questions?

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No, OK.

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Let's move on to item number six.

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The consent calendar, the board may pull any item listed

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in the consent calendar for further questions.

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If any items are pulled, they will be replaced

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at the end of the report to the Board presentations.

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All move.

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We have a motion.

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Second.

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And a second.

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Can we get the vote, please?

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All righty.

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Mr. Cherry?

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Mr. Askender?

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Yes.

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Mr. Altman?

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Yes.

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Mr. Luddy?

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Mr. Mulot?

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Yes.

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Mr. Nielsen?

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Yes.

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And Mr. Smith?

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Yes.

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Motion carries.

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Thank you.

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At this time, I would like to ask the board about potentially moving a few things around on the agenda.

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It's not my decision, but I would like to propose that we move items that we are going to take action on, above the items where we just have reports.

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Do I have consensus on that?

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Okay. Great.

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So let's move to item eight reports to the board a a,

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sorry, we're going to go to presentations after.

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So I'm going to stop right here, Chris. I'm going to need your input. We have this meeting in the organization set for a reason.

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In terms of presentation is going first, first and foremost, we are probably one of the few boards and commissions and mimics the city council agenda.

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Number two, it really lets my team that doesn't have to be here for the long discussions to actually leave early after a 12 or 14 hour day.

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So I would recommend keeping it as is.

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I think arguably you do have the ability to move things around. I think you have to have a formal vote to do that. I do also want to know that as a general matter, we try not. We don't encourage doing that necessarily. As for the reasons you mentioned, but also for the members of the public because they may be assuming that certain things will happen in a certain order and they may be watching.

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But again, I think you guys do have the ability to do that, but you also should probably do a vote to confirm that.

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Could we implement this on the next meeting?

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The concern is making sure that I'm asking this as a question.

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The concern is to make sure that we get through all the topics tonight within the, you know, reasonable amount of time.

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Yes.

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And also to talk about the items, what we actually have to take action,

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ahead of just getting a report that in theory could be moved to another,

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you know, there are some things that we won't be able to move,

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because there will be an action that goes to the city council,

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and then there are reports that could just be moved as reasonable to another meeting.

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Okay, so then if it's okay with the rest of the board members,

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we will keep the agenda for tonight and we'll take a vote

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at our next meeting, I guess.

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So I will highlight we could make that adjustment so can we make that vote right now for next meetings?

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So why don't we make that vote for next meetings so we can just set up the agenda appropriately?

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So one of you make the motion and we'll go ahead and make sure the agenda set up that way.

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So I'll make a motion that going forward that the presentations will come after the reports to the board that actually require action on behalf of the board to implement contracts.

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And or contracts, and or items that have to go to city council on an urgent basis.

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Okay.

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Is there a second?

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Perfect.

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We'll do it for the next meeting.

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So this will be for the next meeting, which is October 1st.

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Is it sent right?

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We call it vote, please.

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Is it the next meeting and future meetings or just the next meeting?

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The next meeting and future meetings.

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Are we ready?

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Mr. Chair?

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Yes.

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Mr. Letty. Mr. Altman.

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Yes.

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Mr. Askandar. Yes.

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Mr. Malaw.

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Yes.

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Mr. Nielsen. Yes.

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And Mr. Smith.

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Yes.

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Motion carries.

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Chris, thank you for your input on that.

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Appreciate it.

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Okay.

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Presentation 7A Water Pipeline Condition Assessment.

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Good evening, Mr. Chairman and members of the Board.

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ambassador in the House, principle civil engineer with the water division. With the

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age in water infrastructure limited financial resources and the increasing cost of

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pipeline replacement, deciding which pipe to replace and when has become one of the

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most important decisions facing water utilities today.

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This is where pipeline condition

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assessment help us to replace the right pipe or the right time.

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So, way of background the drinking

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water distribution system in Burbank consists of 2078 miles of pipelines. The range and size

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from 4-inch to 3-inch.

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Fun fact, if you were to replace those 278 miles with cost

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into these dollars, it costs more than a billion dollars.

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So the takeaway from this slide is the system is aging.

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So we have already 52% of the pipeline in the system

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older than 70 years and 10% or about 28 miles,

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more than 90 years.

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You know, there's managing water pipelines

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comes with unique challenges.

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You know, pipelines are, you know,

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very five, six feet underground, right?

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And there are difficult to access, difficult to inspect.

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You know, unlike pump station or tanks,

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there's no redundancy and pipeline.

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And you know, what I mean breaks are unpredictable. No one can predict when men break will occur.

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They occur, they could occur anytime at any age. And when they do, you know, they create havoc.

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So, you see there that the picture from a main break here in Burbank for years ago, from a

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provedencia, just west of San Fernando, you know, you got water loss, you got damaged

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the property, public and private, you know, what are quality concerns, costly repair, and

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Never fail, you know, Main Brexit and Burbank, I could either on holidays or weekend or

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at night, you know, yeah, some, true. So, condition assessment will help us replace the

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right pipeline, you know, what do I mean by right pipeline? I mean, the pipe that's really

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need to be replaced. And at the right time, I mean, I didn't want to replace a pipe before

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incurring those main breaks. And how we do that? We don't just look at age of the pipe.

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We look at the main break history, that's major one, size, the materials,

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corrosivity of the soil that surrounding the pipe, as well as the water pressure that the

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water, the pipe are prating under.

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So now our toolbox here in Burbank water, we have four

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technologies that we have recently deployed in the past three years.

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I go quickly through them, but I'll take deeper dive a little bit in the following slide.

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These technologies, each one, answer different engineering questions.

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So they work together to help the war engineer make better informed decision.

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So, first one is VODI-I artificial intelligence platform basically basically take all the pipe segment in the city and rank them from, you know,

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likelihood of failure from high to low, as well as the consequence of failure, COF, from high to low.

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This way it can focus on the right and the most likely to fail by.

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The other technology we use is a pipeline inspection technology.

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This is measured the remaining thickness on the pipe.

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The third one, called EcoShore DAX device,

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gets connected to hydrogen and continuously

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listen for leak detecting leak.

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I hydrogen just special hydrogen that monitor the water pressure

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and the water temperature in the system.

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So, Vodai I, you know, take all the data that we have about the pipelines, you know, the

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diameter, the materials, solcorosivity, even they take the slope of the street, you know,

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tens of thousands of data upon.

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They take all that and, you know, it's an alagoretum and they come up with the likelihood

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of failure for each segment along with the consequence of failure.

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This image there is a screenshot from Vodaiai showing the top 5% of pipeline in Burbank that likely to fail.

443
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:46,740
This is the other technology is the pipeline inspection, the beauty of this, I love this one because you don't need to take the pipeline out of service.

444
00:33:46,740 --> 00:33:50,620
You could do it, it's not in truth, it's have non-destructive.

445
00:33:51,540 --> 00:33:53,540
You can measure the remaining five thickness,

446
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:56,920
you know, keeping the pipe in service.

447
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,980
This is the portion of the vendor report,

448
00:34:02,100 --> 00:34:04,140
inspecting Magnolia Boulevard Pipeline,

449
00:34:04,980 --> 00:34:07,060
and you see the last three numbers in red,

450
00:34:07,620 --> 00:34:08,960
fifty, thirty, thirty, ninety.

451
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,100
This means the pipe already lost,

452
00:34:12,220 --> 00:34:14,660
fifty percent of the second thickness.

453
00:34:14,660 --> 00:34:27,340
So if the pipe is half an inch, now it's only quarter of an inch, and red that's mean, you know, the condition of the pipe really is, you know, you know, very poor.

454
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:35,080
And if it's called the Diallo, it's a fair, and if it's green, that's mean it's good, it's still good pipe.

455
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:41,480
And we have, we are currently replacing this pipeline

456
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,180
on Magnolia Boulevard or replacing 8,000 feet.

457
00:34:44,460 --> 00:34:51,880
In fact, we already replaced like 6,500 feet via the progressive design

458
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:53,840
built project delivery approach.

459
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:14,380
We plan on doing more, where it's advantageous to do that. In fact, in January, Mr. Jeff Paket and his crews will be in the

460
00:35:14,380 --> 00:35:23,880
starting January next year, we'll be replacing the other 2,500 feet of this 100 years old pipeline deteriorated pipeline.

461
00:35:30,980 --> 00:35:35,660
Eco-shore DX, this is the leak monitoring, basically a sensor.

462
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:38,500
It's a acoustic sensor.

463
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:46,060
You see, when this water leak on the pipe is when the water escaped the pipe, it creates noise.

464
00:35:47,020 --> 00:35:48,920
And this sensor pick up that noise.

465
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:55,180
And the idea here is to find out about these leaks when they are small.

466
00:35:55,180 --> 00:36:02,240
You see leak normally, mainly break, occurred by having firstly, like, you know, small leak

467
00:36:02,240 --> 00:36:07,760
then becomes big leak. So that idea here to avoid the big leak by installing these devices,

468
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:24,860
we have 75 of these. You install this on high consequence of failure area. Like, we have

469
00:36:24,860 --> 00:36:28,900
like three years ago, a few months after in the solar

470
00:36:28,900 --> 00:36:33,160
we got an alert from one of these devices of Buena Vista.

471
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:36,640
And it gave us a distance, you know?

472
00:36:36,700 --> 00:36:42,160
I just remember 266 feet from the hydrant, the crew went there

473
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:47,040
and they found the leak on a six inch water service for San Joseph Hospital.

474
00:36:47,620 --> 00:36:51,940
And it was a small leak and the crew were able to quickly fix it

475
00:36:51,940 --> 00:36:57,820
before it became bigger, really, you know, and in fact, you know, the hospital operation.

476
00:37:01,860 --> 00:37:06,920
This one is a special hydrogen. I mean, look like regular hydrogen, but it has a

477
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:12,980
trade on top, and that device gets connected on top, and measure the pressure continuously,

478
00:37:12,980 --> 00:37:19,000
measure the pressure and temperature. You see, what a pressure is one of the root causes

479
00:37:20,260 --> 00:37:22,740
or major costs for main break.

480
00:37:23,700 --> 00:37:25,800
The changes, in fact, changes in pressure.

481
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:30,960
The high and the up and low and the high demand, the low demand,

482
00:37:31,700 --> 00:37:34,760
you know, the pipe get fatigued.

483
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:40,020
So, this will help us in the root cause analysis.

484
00:37:40,180 --> 00:37:43,340
When there is main break, we can figure out,

485
00:37:43,540 --> 00:37:47,360
hey, what was the cause and see what we could do to mitigate

486
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,160
similar break in the future.

487
00:37:50,460 --> 00:37:54,800
And the seal just a quick time check so if you could get maybe to the last slide, it is in ten minutes.

488
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:56,160
All right.

489
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,520
So let's jump to the comparison.

490
00:37:59,780 --> 00:38:05,420
You know, I thought include, you know, how bourbon compare to other utilities in California.

491
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:07,320
Those are the most important,

492
00:38:07,740 --> 00:38:09,240
keep performance indicators.

493
00:38:10,260 --> 00:38:14,400
You know, real water loss, that physical water that got lost from the system.

494
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:18,120
In Burnback we have 16 gallon per service connection per day,

495
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:22,380
the average in California is 29 and some utilities,

496
00:38:22,820 --> 00:38:26,200
the experience even 50 gallons per service connection per day.

497
00:38:26,500 --> 00:38:27,960
What am I break frequency?

498
00:38:28,860 --> 00:38:33,020
We have three breaks per 100 miles per year,

499
00:38:33,300 --> 00:38:37,260
the average in California is 6 and infrastructure leakage index.

500
00:38:37,460 --> 00:38:41,540
This is the measurement of how tight is the system.

501
00:38:41,540 --> 00:38:52,880
The lower the number, the better, in Burbank 0.7, you know, in California 1.4, and goes as high as 2.2, and I know who they are, by the way.

502
00:38:54,960 --> 00:39:00,200
Not having a new water, that's the water that you put in the system versus the water you solve.

503
00:39:00,740 --> 00:39:08,900
And in Burbank, this difference is 5.1, while the average in California is 11%, and goes as high as 20%.

504
00:39:08,900 --> 00:39:13,440
You know, that's a reason, I mean, this key, this performance is excellent performance

505
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:17,440
indicators because of the best investment and the system.

506
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:25,880
And if we want to keep this excellent performance, we got to keep investing in our

507
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:30,780
water infrastructure, you know, to maintain these excellent performance indicators.

508
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:36,460
So the key takeaway here is pipelines will not fail based on age alone.

509
00:39:36,460 --> 00:39:43,560
condition assessment, help the engineer to identify the highest risk pipelines, where we

510
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,520
can get the most return in our investment.

511
00:39:47,720 --> 00:39:51,740
You know, most of the technology work together to help improve our decision.

512
00:39:52,860 --> 00:39:57,820
You know what a division is using risk-based asset management to maximize reliability

513
00:39:57,820 --> 00:39:59,960
while making the best of rate.

514
00:40:02,780 --> 00:40:11,020
This is fascinating. Thank you for this presentation. It's wonderful to see PWP taking advantage of these new technologies.

515
00:40:12,140 --> 00:40:19,400
These pilots, it seemed like you were running, you using some of these technologies, you've already received reports from them.

516
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:29,080
are these already in a main streamed in your process or you still testing these and need to perhaps

517
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:36,040
purchase a different contract or get more equipment to fully utilize these four technologies.

518
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:43,170
That's a good question. We only bypass the finance stage. So, in fact, which I

519
00:40:43,170 --> 00:40:48,250
The other technology is still like satellite, which is satellite technology to find Greek.

520
00:40:49,510 --> 00:40:54,770
And it's not very effective, you know, it's because it's shot in time, just snapshot

521
00:40:55,310 --> 00:41:01,130
when the satellite pass over the sea, you know, and we had issue with the two.

522
00:41:01,530 --> 00:41:08,250
So we tried other technology we found those for the most effective, and we tried them, and

523
00:41:08,250 --> 00:41:13,850
planning, we're planning in fact on deploying more of these, especially on the one or

524
00:41:13,850 --> 00:41:19,350
brother of the city, so we're going to surround one or brother of the city of sight with

525
00:41:19,350 --> 00:41:24,270
these early warning, in the pressure monitoring, Nick monitoring, where do we go, Hollywood

526
00:41:24,270 --> 00:41:26,950
way, oh, can pass.

527
00:41:28,410 --> 00:41:28,910
Okay.

528
00:41:29,770 --> 00:41:29,970
Yes.

529
00:41:30,330 --> 00:41:31,430
I would like to put an anecdote.

530
00:41:32,790 --> 00:41:37,350
I received one of the flume devices through the rebate that we had here, it's probably

531
00:41:37,350 --> 00:41:42,710
been a year or so. I think we had it. I largely thought I was like this cool piece of data

532
00:41:42,710 --> 00:41:46,570
like it's interesting whatever, but just last week actually for the first time and having it

533
00:41:46,570 --> 00:41:51,910
for over a year, it detected a leak that I would have never found. It would have taken me weeks to

534
00:41:51,910 --> 00:41:57,070
realize that it was a sprinkler irrigation valve like hidden underneath hedges that slowly was

535
00:41:57,070 --> 00:42:03,830
leaking like 0.07 gallons, you know, an hour and then it went to 0.23, but the technology side

536
00:42:05,430 --> 00:42:09,470
really helps to go to the loss revenue loss and that type of stuff but I would love to see

537
00:42:09,470 --> 00:42:13,770
some more as we look to rebate some things like that for devices that are like the leaked

538
00:42:13,770 --> 00:42:17,310
detection devices I don't know if we're still offering those types of things but that was my

539
00:42:17,310 --> 00:42:24,190
personal like home experience with that and really just you can't overstate the value of being

540
00:42:24,190 --> 00:42:31,550
informed about your own system so right very valuable you know I feel we budget that about

541
00:42:31,550 --> 00:42:41,690
$100,000 per year on this, they're not very expensive, but if you avoid too many breaks, you pay for the $100,000.

542
00:42:42,170 --> 00:42:44,830
Many breaks cost at least $50,000 to fix.

543
00:42:45,570 --> 00:42:53,010
So if you catch a small leak and before they become big main breaks, you save yourself the money you invested.

544
00:42:54,010 --> 00:42:56,610
Plus, I mean, that's just our cost.

545
00:42:56,610 --> 00:43:02,690
There's a cost of the community when you have me in the break, right, traffic, out of service.

546
00:43:03,190 --> 00:43:05,430
This is nothing included in the $50,000.

547
00:43:06,990 --> 00:43:07,650
So yeah.

548
00:43:09,090 --> 00:43:09,850
Okay, wonderful.

549
00:43:09,990 --> 00:43:10,870
Thank you very much.

550
00:43:11,450 --> 00:43:11,750
That was wonderful.

551
00:43:12,070 --> 00:43:14,710
Mr. Smith, if I could just interrupt to your point,

552
00:43:15,350 --> 00:43:18,970
I do understand why it would be helpful to have reports towards the end.

553
00:43:19,370 --> 00:43:21,050
Just so we could have discussion on other items.

554
00:43:21,210 --> 00:43:24,010
But I think it's helpful to know that everyone's interested in these types of things.

555
00:43:24,430 --> 00:43:25,870
So thank you for bringing that up.

556
00:43:25,870 --> 00:43:28,750
Okay, and my team chopped up.

557
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:36,580
Okay, we're going to hear about the City of Urban Green House Gas Reduction Plan Implementation

558
00:43:37,220 --> 00:43:40,420
and 2024 Green House Gas Immentory Update.

559
00:43:41,660 --> 00:43:41,840
Welcome.

560
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:42,520
Thank you.

561
00:43:42,580 --> 00:43:42,860
Good evening.

562
00:43:42,980 --> 00:43:45,940
I'm Drew John Stone, the Sustainability Officer here at BWP and tonight.

563
00:43:47,780 --> 00:43:51,360
We have staff have committed to provide annual updates to City Council and boards

564
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:55,360
and commissions on where we are with implementing the Green House Gas Reduction Plan

565
00:43:55,360 --> 00:44:00,920
our GGRP measures, as well as provide a new snapshot in time where we're at with community

566
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:01,700
wide emissions.

567
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:08,520
You've been presented with staff report and some attachments as files, and I'm just going

568
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:14,640
to give a high-level presentation on where things stand as well as a recap of the GGRP.

569
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,720
What city council's priorities have been over the last year and a half as they relate

570
00:44:18,720 --> 00:44:23,420
to sustainability and the GGRP, and then at the end I know we won't have much type of

571
00:44:23,420 --> 00:44:29,600
questions and feedback. But take those. We get to that. Oh, excuse me. So as a recap, the

572
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:34,000
GGRP was a community led effort and it was adopted by City Council about three and a half

573
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:42,560
years ago. It lays out a past reduced emissions 40% below 1990 levels by 2030. That's an alignment

574
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:48,260
with Senate Bill 32. So that's kind of our share of emissions that we're aiming to get down. The GGRP

575
00:44:48,260 --> 00:44:51,720
It includes 12 strategies, 21 measures, and a hundred, and...

576
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:08,960
24 action items set to reduce planet warming emissions, improve residents quality of life, and prepare the community with adaptation and resilient strategies.

577
00:45:10,820 --> 00:45:15,900
So I will start with the next slide with the snapshot of the community's greenhouse gas emissions inventory.

578
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:18,620
And so here's the table.

579
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:26,740
The emissions for 2024 calendar year, that was the most recent full year of data that we had at the time of our analysis.

580
00:45:26,740 --> 00:45:32,840
It was estimated that just over a million metric tons of carbon dioxide equivalent or about 10 metric tons per capita.

581
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:43,660
Remember our Senate bill 32 goal is to get to 40% below 1990 levels, so we essentially have to reduce about 3 metric tons per capita to meet that goal.

582
00:45:44,380 --> 00:45:52,440
But the good news is that city emissions are the lowest they've ever, or that they've been in the last 30 years coming down from that peak from 2010.

583
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:57,160
So we still have significant work to meet the goal, but we're trending in the right direction.

584
00:45:58,720 --> 00:46:02,440
Here's another look at that same data, but in a bar chart with different colors representing

585
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:08,660
the different sources or sectors of the community that pollute the environment, the air and the atmosphere.

586
00:46:09,340 --> 00:46:20,040
So our community wide emissions have declined overall since peaking in 2010, and that's despite fluctuations in weather, energy supply, economic activity, and transportation behavior and waste generation patterns.

587
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:25,680
So, the emissions ranked from most to least impactful, or in that upside-down pyramid,

588
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,860
tailpite pollution from on-road vehicles, unsurprisingly, is the largest source of

589
00:46:29,860 --> 00:46:32,400
emissions at about 49%.

590
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:37,780
In 2024, we saw vehicle emissions sort of rebound after the pandemic,

591
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:40,660
and then I also want

592
00:46:40,660 --> 00:46:45,080
to talk about individual actions, some can take, so one of the things is, you know, replacing

593
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:49,200
a gas car with an electric car, or human power transportation can save about four times.

594
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:54,300
The next is electricity generated and delivered by birbank water and power.

595
00:46:54,300 --> 00:46:55,720
So I drew with this question.

596
00:46:56,420 --> 00:46:58,320
Yeah, this is really to this slide, Drew.

597
00:46:58,920 --> 00:46:59,680
Thank you for this presentation.

598
00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:01,400
Can you clarify if these numbers,

599
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,820
vehicle miles travel, for instance, electricity generated,

600
00:47:04,460 --> 00:47:09,700
is within our borders, is it of birbank residents,

601
00:47:09,860 --> 00:47:11,580
traveling wherever they may travel?

602
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:13,160
Is it?

603
00:47:13,580 --> 00:47:15,300
So that has to do with the blue one.

604
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:16,900
And then the yellow electricity generated,

605
00:47:16,900 --> 00:47:21,560
You were about to talk about it, is that going to be electricity generated within

606
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,340
Burbank or electricity generated for Burbank?

607
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:30,580
Let's see, electricity generated for Burbank, so not just MPP, but all the generation sources

608
00:47:30,580 --> 00:47:31,760
that we have.

609
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:33,700
So scope one and scope two emissions.

610
00:47:34,820 --> 00:47:37,120
You're question about vehicle miles traveled.

611
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,440
We rely on energy modeling data.

612
00:47:41,300 --> 00:47:46,400
There is a service called replica that we use along with a lot of other cities.

613
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:52,180
it's very complicated. I don't have time to get into it today, but it does

614
00:47:52,180 --> 00:47:57,020
use this data to track transportation within Burbank's boundaries and

615
00:47:58,140 --> 00:48:02,000
claims to include people coming from outside Burbank, into Burbank, through

616
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,100
Burbank and going outside of Burbank.

617
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:10,940
Electricity is where I was at. So it's response for about 31% of the community's

618
00:48:10,940 --> 00:48:11,460
emissions.

619
00:48:13,500 --> 00:48:16,380
Let's see, methane gas or natural gas consumption in our building

620
00:48:16,380 --> 00:48:21,720
is responsible for another 11%, fuel-combusted power-operative equipment, combustion vehicles

621
00:48:21,720 --> 00:48:26,980
4%, and then, again, under 4% we've got waste emissions from landfills and compost

622
00:48:26,980 --> 00:48:29,560
as well as treatment from wastewater and importing water.

623
00:48:30,980 --> 00:48:36,940
So now I want to look at some of the council priorities that are aimed to help reduce emissions.

624
00:48:38,700 --> 00:48:44,880
So number one, one of the priorities from the council is to integrate solar power, priorities

625
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,160
about electrifying new construction and EV infrastructure.

626
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:52,940
Some of these things we don't necessarily have to implement with local codes, but the state

627
00:48:52,940 --> 00:48:57,720
of California actually requires solar and battery infrastructure batteries and EV infrastructure

628
00:48:57,720 --> 00:48:59,360
on new construction.

629
00:49:01,660 --> 00:49:06,240
Requiring new construction on new, requiring electric for new construction that is on hold

630
00:49:06,240 --> 00:49:08,340
because of a state law.

631
00:49:08,420 --> 00:49:13,900
It was AB 130 that put a moratorium on municipalities implementing reach codes on residential new construction.

632
00:49:14,980 --> 00:49:20,160
But the good news there is that the state code already requires all electric readiness, and

633
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:24,760
basically requires heat pumps for both heating water and HVAC, which are historically

634
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:26,380
of the two largest sources of gas.

635
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:36,180
Council also has a priority to address urban heat, and so the city is doing that now through

636
00:49:36,180 --> 00:49:37,400
cool roof requirements.

637
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:41,860
So any time a resident or business replaces a roof or installs a new roof, it has to

638
00:49:41,860 --> 00:49:47,740
a cool roof with high reflectivity index, BWP and Parks and Rec both administer shade

639
00:49:47,740 --> 00:49:53,640
tree programs to encourage shading buildings and parks, and Parks and Rec have also installed

640
00:49:54,180 --> 00:49:59,440
shade structures throughout multiple parks in the city recently. Parks and Rec continue to maintain

641
00:49:59,440 --> 00:49:59,960
the tree cannon.

642
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:06,740
And the upcoming, the state, the sustainable water use ordinance that we passed recently, which impacts

643
00:50:06,740 --> 00:50:14,320
irrigating non-functional turf with putable water, has spurred our parks erect department to look at municipal facilities and replacing

644
00:50:14,900 --> 00:50:18,680
some of that non-functional turf with California natives.

645
00:50:20,700 --> 00:50:29,920
When it comes to landscape equipment, number six, which grades that, you know, we're going to start seeing more landscape equipment get quieter,

646
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:34,420
and less polluting because our gas leaf blower ordinance has been in effect since January 1.

647
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:37,880
So that was something new that happened this year. This first year is all of the implementation

648
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:42,720
educating property owners and landscapers about the ordinance and then the step up enforcement

649
00:50:42,720 --> 00:50:49,360
starting in 2027. MPWP has a rebate to support spare batteries for commercial landscapers.

650
00:50:50,380 --> 00:50:56,080
And lastly, Council has made a priority to explore innovative solutions for energy and water

651
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:59,220
And of course, BWP, we're consistently administrating

652
00:50:59,220 --> 00:51:01,340
administering education incentive programs.

653
00:51:01,820 --> 00:51:04,180
In this last year, we've offered, we've added incentives

654
00:51:04,180 --> 00:51:06,300
for a low-income customers to upgrade their homes.

655
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:08,480
We've hosted numerous water conservation workshops

656
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:10,260
and just this week, we launched our low-income

657
00:51:10,260 --> 00:51:11,800
refrigerator exchange program.

658
00:51:15,190 --> 00:51:16,670
So I wanted to last couple of slides.

659
00:51:16,910 --> 00:51:19,470
I just want to highlight that the city has completed

660
00:51:19,470 --> 00:51:22,250
16 GGRP initiatives to date.

661
00:51:22,450 --> 00:51:24,910
We've got 54 that are currently being implemented

662
00:51:24,910 --> 00:51:27,310
in another 53 that are pending initiation.

663
00:51:27,310 --> 00:51:29,510
and so that's one to run through a couple pictures

664
00:51:29,510 --> 00:51:31,570
from highlights from the last year and a half.

665
00:51:32,410 --> 00:51:34,370
The cornerstone project of the GGRP

666
00:51:34,370 --> 00:51:37,610
is to leverage BWP staff and public benefits funds

667
00:51:37,610 --> 00:51:39,370
to work with Burbank Housing Corporation

668
00:51:39,370 --> 00:51:42,090
to help them upgrade some of their older units

669
00:51:42,090 --> 00:51:46,370
that rely on gas for their heating, cooking,

670
00:51:46,790 --> 00:51:48,230
and water heating and upgrade them

671
00:51:48,230 --> 00:51:49,470
with efficient electric alternatives.

672
00:51:49,750 --> 00:51:51,330
This is the picture from one of our site visits

673
00:51:51,330 --> 00:51:52,790
at their property on Elmwood and Lake.

674
00:51:53,210 --> 00:51:54,830
We hosted a webinar for their attendance

675
00:51:54,830 --> 00:51:56,290
and property management to teach them

676
00:51:56,290 --> 00:51:58,910
about electrification, what these new appliances will bring.

677
00:51:59,350 --> 00:52:03,390
We were successful at winning $120,000 in state and federal funding

678
00:52:03,390 --> 00:52:04,950
to help with this project.

679
00:52:04,950 --> 00:52:06,930
This pilot project to electrify six units

680
00:52:07,390 --> 00:52:09,730
and we're gonna be doing another two, three buildings later this year

681
00:52:09,730 --> 00:52:10,790
with BHC.

682
00:52:12,090 --> 00:52:13,330
Last, this also the last year,

683
00:52:13,470 --> 00:52:14,850
we launched a technical assistance program

684
00:52:14,850 --> 00:52:16,190
for small and medium size businesses

685
00:52:16,190 --> 00:52:18,330
to help them assess their EV charger potential.

686
00:52:18,930 --> 00:52:21,350
We launched our solar battery rebate this year.

687
00:52:21,630 --> 00:52:22,690
This is a picture of the RITC.

688
00:52:22,770 --> 00:52:23,990
Many of you are at the ribbon cutting.

689
00:52:23,990 --> 00:52:30,830
this type of project is absolutely in the GGRP and we can now brag that 100% of our streetlights are now LEDs.

690
00:52:33,230 --> 00:52:42,140
We have, I want say it's 9,450 streetlights so that's saving a lot of maintenance activities and of course energy during very important peak periods of the day.

691
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:54,500
Parking management is a strategy in the GGRP with the goal to price all public parking so that at least 20% of parking supply or that's like one or two spaces per block is available any time.

692
00:52:54,500 --> 00:53:00,040
So in March of 2025, the transportation staff implemented a paid parking program in downtown,

693
00:53:00,660 --> 00:53:04,460
and staff are evaluating the program's performance, and they're going to provide periodic updates

694
00:53:04,460 --> 00:53:10,080
to city council on its performance. Multiple organic waste diversion activities have been implemented.

695
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:14,180
This is of course to reduce methane in the landfill, so diverting organic waste.

696
00:53:15,720 --> 00:53:19,420
All city irrigation controllers have been modernized this past year to reduce water usage,

697
00:53:19,420 --> 00:53:25,280
and the CDD planning division has incorporated recycled water into objective development standards.

698
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:30,480
Here's a photo of actually the purple piping installed at Georgia State Park this last year.

699
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:38,880
And the city and BWP continued to implement urban water management plan conservation activities.

700
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:42,980
And we offer resource for residents to make water-wise landscape decisions.

701
00:53:43,820 --> 00:53:47,800
And we've recently published a parkway design guideline and landscape templates just this last year.

702
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:50,100
And on the regulatory side, building and safety

703
00:53:50,100 --> 00:53:52,600
continue to enforce the model water-efficient landscape

704
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:54,300
ordinance that applies to all new landscapes.

705
00:53:55,340 --> 00:53:58,020
Lastly, here's a picture of our hands-on demo

706
00:53:58,020 --> 00:54:01,000
event that we held for landscapeers to test out

707
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:02,120
all electric new equipment.

708
00:54:05,620 --> 00:54:08,040
Lastly, this is my second presentation of this kind.

709
00:54:08,240 --> 00:54:09,360
I would do the Sustainable Burbank Commission.

710
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:11,800
I'll be going to Council in a couple of weeks.

711
00:54:12,500 --> 00:54:14,780
We're going to be focusing on implementation implementation

712
00:54:14,780 --> 00:54:15,180
implementation.

713
00:54:16,740 --> 00:54:18,900
And of course, any new work that requires budget,

714
00:54:18,900 --> 00:54:24,020
of course be reviewed and considered at future city council meetings and we will always be looking

715
00:54:24,020 --> 00:54:30,220
for grants and other funding to implement our goals and policies and we also want to be considering

716
00:54:30,220 --> 00:54:34,360
innovative educational campaigns for how residents and businesses can save a ton,

717
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:38,480
like save a ton of emissions or save three tons of emissions, rest of it achieve our goal.

718
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:43,420
It's like a sprint.

719
00:54:43,820 --> 00:54:44,380
Thank you.

720
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:45,320
Yes, questions.

721
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:47,100
Mr. Letty.

722
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:57,540
The session you held with the landscapeers on new equipment, how much participation did

723
00:54:57,540 --> 00:54:58,140
you get?

724
00:54:58,480 --> 00:54:58,740
We had about.

725
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:22,640
42 people there, have you done them in the past? No, this is the first of its kind, and we actually applied for a grant and won it. So we actually, we paid to have this organization called the American Green Zone Alliance, come, they had the connections with the manufacturers of equipment, so they were the ones that helped get these OEMs there. So anyway, yeah, this organization helped with that and we paid them through a grant.

726
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:25,540
So who got in touch with the gardeners?

727
00:55:25,820 --> 00:55:28,040
We did our best to reach out to

728
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:29,600
Landscapes that have business permits.

729
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:32,640
We did obviously our marketing campaigns and

730
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:34,760
Agza, the organization.

731
00:55:35,060 --> 00:55:36,680
They've got a lot of connections in the space as well.

732
00:55:36,820 --> 00:55:38,420
So they had Landscapes come from the region.

733
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:43,640
And no concern from anybody about ice.

734
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:45,840
Writing on this.

735
00:55:46,020 --> 00:55:46,920
That was a concern.

736
00:55:48,300 --> 00:55:50,260
I maybe would have had a lot more people.

737
00:55:51,240 --> 00:55:51,400
Yeah.

738
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:53,140
We live in the home.

739
00:55:53,580 --> 00:55:53,920
Thank you.

740
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:54,720
Yes, Mr. Cherry.

741
00:55:55,900 --> 00:55:56,700
Good presentation.

742
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:57,840
Sure and sweet.

743
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:01,140
Also, I like it that you actually numbered your slides.

744
00:56:01,300 --> 00:56:01,660
Yes.

745
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:05,340
If we can go to slide number four, it's easier to do this way.

746
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,540
In the sense that you mentioned the beginning, it's an annual report.

747
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:11,120
I think the city council.

748
00:56:11,980 --> 00:56:14,900
Is it just an annual, you mentioned something annually at the beginning.

749
00:56:14,980 --> 00:56:16,620
Can you clarify what that was again?

750
00:56:16,620 --> 00:56:23,220
Oh, yes, I tried to do these presentations annually just to give an update because there are

751
00:56:23,220 --> 00:56:30,920
100 some odd measures. Again, I mentioned about 50 of them are sort of ongoing. So, I've

752
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:36,440
got a large spreadsheet that's in the back of a attachment to, I believe it is, that have

753
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:40,200
updates from staff throughout the city. There are usually a few sentences just on updates.

754
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:46,160
So, on this as an outcome, maybe 32 and everything else that has been passed over the course of

755
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:52,300
is a report like this required to be done under that, under the legislation.

756
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:53,060
Yes, sir.

757
00:56:53,300 --> 00:56:55,000
The GGRP was a requirement.

758
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:56,940
I believe it.

759
00:56:57,020 --> 00:57:00,440
There was a sequel requirement, too, or to, to, yes.

760
00:57:00,620 --> 00:57:03,480
It was like a sequel qualified sort of plan.

761
00:57:04,140 --> 00:57:07,540
And with the, doing this work, this is the city

762
00:57:07,540 --> 00:57:10,600
at all, the funding comes to pay for this from home.

763
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:11,900
Variety of sources.

764
00:57:11,900 --> 00:57:18,360
So, I'm presenting just because it's kind of one of the hats I wear to help coordinate all the departments just to generate this type of report.

765
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:23,880
But all the departments are responsible for numerous measures in this plan.

766
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:27,360
I would say B2P is kind of the lead on 30 to 40 of them.

767
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:31,620
But CDD in public works, they're the lead department on many of them as well.

768
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:35,780
And they have their, you know, CIP projects and funding from the general fund.

769
00:57:36,260 --> 00:57:40,700
But then, like, our programs, like, of course, like rebates and renewable energy, those come from BWP.

770
00:57:40,700 --> 00:57:47,620
And for this program specifically, you know, obviously we're the largest component of the greenhouse gas emissions as a city.

771
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:48,980
But they're producing.

772
00:57:50,060 --> 00:57:53,240
So in the sense of the greenhouse gas inventory that was done by the consultant,

773
00:57:53,780 --> 00:57:56,780
whose paying for that report is the city paying for it,

774
00:57:57,080 --> 00:58:01,080
or we paying BWP paying for it, or is everybody paying for it in the city?

775
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:02,500
Yeah, it's been, yeah, good question.

776
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:03,180
It's been a mix.

777
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:06,160
And this is the very time we've worked with GreenCon.

778
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:08,700
I believe since I've been here,

779
00:58:08,700 --> 00:58:11,600
Sometimes it's split between the departments.

780
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:17,040
This particular time, BWP paid for just the

781
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:23,540
the admissions report from the public benefits account.

782
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:28,440
But when we had Reinhardt do a more substantial inventory

783
00:58:29,140 --> 00:58:32,320
and annual report last year, it was shared between public works

784
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:34,100
in CDD and BWP.

785
00:58:34,100 --> 00:58:36,920
in the scoping document of the actual inventory's

786
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:39,440
done yet annually then, are we doing it annually?

787
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:41,760
That's what the council, that's what they've asked for.

788
00:58:41,820 --> 00:58:43,140
What's required by statute?

789
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:47,380
I don't, I'm not sure about that.

790
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:52,500
And just my last question I have for you is in the sense of the 1990

791
00:58:52,500 --> 00:58:57,760
baseline, how do we, does that get adjusted based on the housing

792
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:00,820
development, continuing, conduit development, parking buildings,

793
00:59:00,820 --> 00:59:07,540
because it seems like we're obviously adding more, which is causing more greenhouse gases

794
00:59:07,540 --> 00:59:11,280
ultimately and how are we accounting for that in our reduction?

795
00:59:11,820 --> 00:59:16,960
If you look at it, you just wonder if you're ever going to get to 30% below what 1990 was.

796
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:19,580
I think it is possible.

797
00:59:19,940 --> 00:59:22,680
We're going to be our energy sources over time.

798
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:24,600
Vehicles will be electrifying over time.

799
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:26,820
We'll be electrifying buildings over time.

800
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:29,860
So we're still aiming for it.

801
00:59:29,860 --> 00:59:47,520
And I will add you, bring up a really good topic, and that's one of the things we brought up to the California Energy Commission is with all the funded state mandates, including SB79, SB35, SBXY and Z, or AVXY and Z, when they place mandates are more housing, more electrification.

802
00:59:47,820 --> 00:59:59,160
We also have to be mindful of the costs that's going to have to are repairs, as well as the availability of resources, and the CEC and even others have put it out there, that natural gas is kind of a stop gap until then.

803
00:59:59,160 --> 00:59:59,980
We have high f-

804
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:05,960
Major agenda, compliance halted. We have transmission not being built. We have projects not being built and we're

805
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:11,960
we've even done projects like in Utah and Nevada as well. So we've been highlighting that. And hopefully,

806
01:00:12,180 --> 01:00:18,880
these will be adjusted to reflect that. And we don't have affordable solar and or other green energy sources right now in the market.

807
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:27,020
So I'm going to caveat that with not only not affordable, but also terms and conditions that would not be fair to our papers.

808
01:00:28,020 --> 01:00:30,260
Thank you, Drew. Good presentation, though.

809
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:30,600
Thank you.

810
01:00:31,180 --> 01:00:32,080
Thank you.

811
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:34,860
It's just a couple of comments, not questions.

812
01:00:36,060 --> 01:00:37,720
So you mentioned the ratepayers and everything else.

813
01:00:37,740 --> 01:00:38,740
One thing to note, right?

814
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:41,940
Drew, you mentioned it was this particular item was paid out of the public benefits account.

815
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:47,820
For those, the three things I'm going to say are just, I guess, statements for the record for folks at home that are watching and are visitors.

816
01:00:49,180 --> 01:00:52,000
State mandated programs like these, like pieces of legislation.

817
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:55,840
That public benefits money could have been rebates back in our residence hands.

818
01:00:55,840 --> 01:01:04,080
That money could have been spent back on residents to get batteries for their homes, to get leaked detection devices.

819
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:08,820
But instead, state-mandated programs, this is being spent on state-mandated programs.

820
01:01:09,980 --> 01:01:11,380
One point of clarification.

821
01:01:12,900 --> 01:01:15,720
The other that I wanted to make was that I appreciate you bringing this slide up.

822
01:01:15,740 --> 01:01:16,780
We didn't tee this up together.

823
01:01:17,140 --> 01:01:24,880
But I said this when we adopted the GGRP, but it's worth noting again the glaring omission that is missing

824
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:30,620
from this slide and from the report itself, I'll give everyone one guess, what's the biggest

825
01:01:30,620 --> 01:01:31,860
polluter in the city.

826
01:01:33,700 --> 01:01:33,960
Thank you.

827
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:34,340
Thank you.

828
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:34,620
Airport.

829
01:01:35,460 --> 01:01:36,180
She got it.

830
01:01:36,180 --> 01:01:36,800
It's the airport.

831
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:42,160
In the fact that it's still here and we're doing all these things about vehicle miles

832
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:46,060
and we're doing things about my, I've got my green bin on my counter that I use every

833
01:01:46,060 --> 01:01:48,720
single day and much to my wife's laughter, right?

834
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:53,500
A ton of it goes into the green bin, the way it's supposed to, but the airport is no part

835
01:01:53,500 --> 01:01:59,960
this conversation. Absolutely nowhere at this conversation. That's that. And I apologize

836
01:01:59,960 --> 01:02:03,040
I've, you know, if I'm looking at my phone during this is because I have the staff reports

837
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:08,420
on my phone. So I just wanted to my very last comment. I wanted to read one of the sentences

838
01:02:08,420 --> 01:02:13,420
from the report. Just for what it's worth because it's a hot topic these days.

839
01:02:15,660 --> 01:02:22,000
VMT stands for vehicle miles traveled. So it says bus and this I'm on page A1111 under the transportation

840
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:25,740
section. Just for what it's worth, I'm not making any statements, I'm just reading verbatim

841
01:02:25,740 --> 01:02:32,440
what it says. Bus VMT in contrast has declined since the onset of the pandemic and has not

842
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:39,280
returned to pre 2020 levels. Reduced ridership, service adjustments, and sustained remote work patterns

843
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:41,800
have contributed to lower transit activity.

844
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:48,680
That's all. The rest of it's unimportant. But for what

845
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:55,640
But again, it has it relates to airport and everything else, and you know, we have EVVs at my house.

846
01:02:55,700 --> 01:03:01,760
I have solar at my house. I've got all the LEDs you could want, so I'm trying to do my part.

847
01:03:01,980 --> 01:03:06,220
But again, the airport, a couple of these other things for what it's worth.

848
01:03:07,300 --> 01:03:08,060
Mr. Letty here.

849
01:03:08,060 --> 01:03:08,300
Honour.

850
01:03:09,300 --> 01:03:15,280
Yeah, just, uh, this report, who else do you give these to?

851
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:22,420
What do we do with all of this information and what we're achieving at the initial demand

852
01:03:22,420 --> 01:03:23,100
of the state?

853
01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:24,580
Um, yes.

854
01:03:24,940 --> 01:03:28,480
I present the Sustainable Vervent Commission in you and then Council on a couple of weeks.

855
01:03:28,740 --> 01:03:32,500
We'll also be posting on the city's GGRP website and we have a public facing dashboard

856
01:03:32,500 --> 01:03:33,140
as well.

857
01:03:33,340 --> 01:03:33,740
That's been updated.

858
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:36,040
So, do we send them to the state?

859
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:42,700
Do we give them to our, it's not assembly representatives, representatives to take up, say,

860
01:03:42,700 --> 01:03:46,960
see what's happening, you made it now, give us money to do more of this.

861
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:53,780
So I will add here, our city council is the one that supported the GGRP and instituted

862
01:03:53,780 --> 01:03:54,820
the GGRP.

863
01:03:54,980 --> 01:03:59,240
So that's really the push from the local government, a lot of their cities do too, to support

864
01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:01,840
state mandates on funded state mandates.

865
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:07,340
I'm sure they wanted to shine for the state and we should take it up and try and use

866
01:04:07,340 --> 01:04:12,520
something to leverage out all of the men's that make on us that cost, but they don't

867
01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:14,640
ever want to give us one to make it happen.

868
01:04:16,820 --> 01:04:17,400
Just a thought.

869
01:04:17,580 --> 01:04:18,280
Mr. Alvin.

870
01:04:18,980 --> 01:04:19,100
Yes.

871
01:04:19,180 --> 01:04:22,060
Could you flip to the slide that had the 1990 baseline?

872
01:04:25,050 --> 01:04:28,170
I was thinking that it would be helpful, maybe I know you're going to be presenting to

873
01:04:28,170 --> 01:04:35,910
Council. It might be helpful to include another column here that shows the average of like

874
01:04:35,910 --> 01:04:41,470
municipalities or because this is not for BWP, this is for the city. You know, to show

875
01:04:41,470 --> 01:04:50,110
well, we've looks very good, down at 12.8% from 1990 looks very good. Curious, how Burbank

876
01:04:50,110 --> 01:04:55,830
compares to other similarly sized, similarly situated municipalities, the city council might

877
01:04:55,830 --> 01:04:59,910
interested in that. And also a broader question is

878
01:05:00,110 --> 01:05:06,630
You know, pretty still pretty far away from 40%, but about 13%, is nothing is needs that.

879
01:05:06,790 --> 01:05:15,150
I'm curious, you said it with 50 programs in process, 50 more programs in the pipeline that could be rolled out.

880
01:05:15,370 --> 01:05:19,110
Are they all necessary to get to 40%, how close will they get us to 40%.

881
01:05:19,730 --> 01:05:25,390
You know, how likely are we going to get to 40%, those are questions you might get at city council.

882
01:05:26,930 --> 01:05:27,970
Thank you.

883
01:05:27,970 --> 01:05:31,510
Actually, I'd like to make one compliment.

884
01:05:32,930 --> 01:05:40,270
We, you mentioned the tree programs that you've done around the city, and in our house,

885
01:05:40,430 --> 01:05:48,350
we had the city of Burbank, and the Arborist gave us a couple of trees, and they grew perfectly,

886
01:05:48,710 --> 01:05:54,970
and they were very little water, and it has made it, so we really don't need to run

887
01:05:54,970 --> 01:06:02,930
air conditioner, like we used to, that part of the back of the house, it's beautiful. You know,

888
01:06:03,050 --> 01:06:09,910
just like a little fan maybe, but we really cut down and we keep our AC at 78 to 80,

889
01:06:10,070 --> 01:06:16,550
only when we need it. So I wanted to compliment you for that program. It was, and it saves us

890
01:06:16,550 --> 01:06:23,030
a ton of money to glad to have that testimonial. Can we get some photos? I tell everybody to call

891
01:06:23,030 --> 01:06:29,530
because it's, and, and it's just for free. Yes. And I'm just going to add something briefly to what

892
01:06:29,530 --> 01:06:35,130
Mr. Altman has for, so in terms of comparison to other municipalities, I just want to highlight

893
01:06:35,130 --> 01:06:39,530
this takes hundreds and hundreds of hours to put together, so that data is not going to be readily

894
01:06:39,530 --> 01:06:44,350
available. So I highly encourage it, it's not readily available to something we think about for the future.

895
01:06:44,810 --> 01:06:48,830
Just probably not right now because we go into weeks. It's just, it is a lot of data,

896
01:06:48,830 --> 01:06:53,770
having done some of these in the past. It's pretty much half my job and I used to do it.

897
01:06:54,330 --> 01:06:55,770
So I just want to be mindful of that.

898
01:06:56,530 --> 01:07:00,210
Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you.

899
01:07:00,790 --> 01:07:04,850
All right. Let's hear from the overview of Burbank Water Empower's

900
01:07:04,850 --> 01:07:07,790
Operational Technology One Burbank Program.

901
01:07:08,470 --> 01:07:08,830
Please.

902
01:07:20,050 --> 01:07:22,730
Good evening. I'm Daniel Lippert. I'm Andrew SpeedwP's

903
01:07:22,730 --> 01:07:27,430
Fiber optic network as well as its municipal ISP ISP One Burbank.

904
01:07:27,430 --> 01:07:33,190
See some new faces, so I'm happy to be here today for those who may be of heard this before. I'll try to keep it interesting

905
01:07:36,430 --> 01:07:41,270
Start my presentation like you often do at the beginning in the 1980s the

906
01:07:41,930 --> 01:07:48,450
Pop copper pilot wire relay system that we had was reaching the end of its life and starting to fail and

907
01:07:48,450 --> 01:07:57,230
My predecessor and all of our predecessors at the time had the foresight to realize that fiber optic was the future of telecom back in the 80s

908
01:07:57,230 --> 01:08:02,950
So in 1986, we began replacing all of our copper communication systems with fiber optic

909
01:08:02,950 --> 01:08:06,190
and by 1996, we had completed that conversion.

910
01:08:07,650 --> 01:08:12,950
We found, like everyone who built fiber back in the 90s, that the fiber optic wires that

911
01:08:12,950 --> 01:08:17,950
we installed had so much more capacity than the copper wires that they replaced that we actually

912
01:08:17,950 --> 01:08:18,970
had over capacity.

913
01:08:19,810 --> 01:08:24,470
And so facing that over capacity, we decided that it would make sense to start leasing some

914
01:08:24,470 --> 01:08:30,390
capacity to other companies that could take advantage of it. In 1997, Warner Brothers became

915
01:08:30,390 --> 01:08:35,390
our first customer, but many entertainment companies quickly followed after that and our

916
01:08:35,390 --> 01:08:42,390
dark fiber program got off the ground running very quickly. In 2011, we decided to expand

917
01:08:42,390 --> 01:08:47,570
that program to begin offering what are called lit services, which is actually internet services,

918
01:08:47,970 --> 01:08:53,150
networked services and other fiber optic services that require us to do something other than

919
01:08:53,150 --> 01:08:54,290
is leasing our infrastructure.

920
01:08:57,960 --> 01:08:59,040
So what is one, Burbank?

921
01:08:59,580 --> 01:09:01,660
It's a way of maximizing all of the assets

922
01:09:01,660 --> 01:09:03,540
that we have already built and paid for,

923
01:09:03,860 --> 01:09:05,400
but that we aren't currently using.

924
01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:07,960
It's also a means of economic development

925
01:09:07,960 --> 01:09:11,540
by adding another competitive ISP to the city.

926
01:09:11,660 --> 01:09:14,480
It allows the businesses that exist in the city

927
01:09:14,480 --> 01:09:17,040
and the enterprises to be able to go to the incumbents

928
01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:18,840
and say, look, I can get this elsewhere.

929
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:20,200
I'm not stuck on your network.

930
01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:24,520
And so it helps to not only help the existing businesses,

931
01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:29,460
but it also is a driver for economic development of bringing in new businesses. I meet with the

932
01:09:29,460 --> 01:09:33,900
CDD and they talk about our program all of the time to companies who might be stuck in

933
01:09:33,900 --> 01:09:37,720
North Hollywood and like yeah, you just come across the border, you can take advantage of one

934
01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:38,380
bird bank.

935
01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:45,060
So what services do we offer? As I mentioned we started off just offering dark

936
01:09:45,060 --> 01:09:50,860
fiber. The many cities do this now and it's simply a way of leasing out the fiber optic cable

937
01:09:50,860 --> 01:09:55,940
to another company. We don't connect anything to it. We don't do anything. We don't monitor it.

938
01:09:55,940 --> 01:09:59,980
You least said it's yours to do with who as you please. This is a great service

939
01:10:00,020 --> 01:10:08,680
For companies that have their own network engineering departments, and can afford to buy network equipment, because it's the most secure possible form of communications.

940
01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:19,040
Things sent over dark fiber don't touch the internet. They're controlled on both ends by the businesses that are leasing the fiber, and so it's the most secure possible form.

941
01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:25,180
If you're a studio who's about to produce a new trailer or something and you don't want it leaking, dark fiber is the way to go.

942
01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:30,500
Most businesses don't have their own network engineering departments, though, so we began

943
01:10:30,500 --> 01:10:32,380
offering dedicated internet access.

944
01:10:32,780 --> 01:10:36,960
This is similar to the internet access you might get at home, but it's for enterprise

945
01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:37,960
quality service.

946
01:10:38,300 --> 01:10:41,180
It's symmetric, so there's no upload download discrepancies.

947
01:10:41,780 --> 01:10:49,120
It's got a guaranteed SLA, so it's reliability is key, and it also is guaranteed bandwidth.

948
01:10:49,260 --> 01:10:52,420
So if you buy 100 megabits, you get 100 megabits.

949
01:10:52,420 --> 01:10:55,540
It's not up to, it's not sometimes like in the middle of the night.

950
01:10:55,540 --> 01:10:59,460
You get it on, it's 24-7, you get it on, you get it on, you get it on, you get what you pay for.

951
01:11:00,780 --> 01:11:05,520
And then our Wave Lambda Services is essentially a way of transporting data between

952
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:11,120
Burbank and downtown Los Angeles, the carrier hotels, as they call them,

953
01:11:11,340 --> 01:11:14,240
the giant office building data centers in downtown LA,

954
01:11:14,840 --> 01:11:20,740
have basically since the 1980s been the hub for the internet, for the entire West Coast.

955
01:11:20,740 --> 01:11:33,800
So there are a lot of businesses that might need to get down to LLA, and this service offers a way for them to come from Burbank, which is like a dark fiber service, secure and point to point, and controlled by you.

956
01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:37,440
But to get you to LLA to where you can connect to the rest of the world.

957
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:49,900
The program is growing, as you can see, you see the big kind of ramp up in around 2011 when we began switching from just dark fiber to lit services.

958
01:11:49,900 --> 01:11:55,300
The important thing to know about this revenue is that one verbank is part of the electric fund.

959
01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:57,720
So all of these revenues are electric revenues.

960
01:11:58,040 --> 01:12:03,100
So every dollar that we bring in is a dollar that we don't have to raise by increasing electric rates.

961
01:12:03,460 --> 01:12:10,520
I was told once and no reason to believe it's not true anymore that our one verbank revenues represent about a 2% discount.

962
01:12:10,820 --> 01:12:14,980
That would have had to go into rating increases on the electric side if we didn't have this program.

963
01:12:17,570 --> 01:12:29,770
In addition to the money that we bring in, and we actually save significant amounts of money to the city and to the utility by owning our own fiber optic network and not having to lease it from one of the private telecom carriers.

964
01:12:30,650 --> 01:12:39,310
One of the things that's important to note is this also inspires kind of an abundance mindset when we need to have communications to a device, we just build it.

965
01:12:39,310 --> 01:12:42,590
We don't have to ask in whether we need to ration our communications,

966
01:12:43,190 --> 01:12:45,910
how much is this going to cost? If we have to go get it from AT&T,

967
01:12:46,310 --> 01:12:50,650
if we need it, we build it and we're done. And so it allows us to do programs

968
01:12:50,650 --> 01:12:54,670
that might otherwise have been cut just because it would have been too cost

969
01:12:54,670 --> 01:12:56,990
to cost an efficient or something to build the calm network.

970
01:12:59,400 --> 01:13:05,520
So how did we do last year? We had a little bit over average year for this past fiscal year.

971
01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:10,720
Not excessive, but we brought in a lot of new customers. And you can see from that number,

972
01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:18,600
We actually built quite a few circuits for ourselves from what is already a mature network to build 35 new links is kind of

973
01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:25,140
It just and it shows that are our utility users are not shy about requesting links when they need them

974
01:13:27,350 --> 01:13:33,170
There are a couple items that I'm really looking forward to over the next year or two and the first as

975
01:13:33,170 --> 01:13:35,370
As you all are aware is the new airport terminal

976
01:13:35,370 --> 01:13:41,630
So when the airports sent out their request to the telecom carriers, there were only two carriers

977
01:13:41,630 --> 01:13:46,410
that were actually able to meet the airport's requirements, and one Burbank was one of them.

978
01:13:46,750 --> 01:13:49,070
So there are only two carrier options in the airport.

979
01:13:49,170 --> 01:13:53,790
If for anyone any of the tenants, the airlines themselves, the airport and all of its organizations,

980
01:13:54,370 --> 01:13:58,510
they only have two choices, and one of them is one Burbank, that's something that I'm very proud of.

981
01:13:58,730 --> 01:14:01,550
I'm also somewhat proud of the service that we built for them.

982
01:14:01,570 --> 01:14:04,450
I'm not going to show the details because it's a curing information.

983
01:14:04,450 --> 01:14:09,230
But essentially, every piece of equipment, every room, every line,

984
01:14:09,630 --> 01:14:13,930
every even the networks that they exit Burbank out on is redundant and diverse.

985
01:14:14,370 --> 01:14:16,990
So if any piece of equipment fails, there's always a backup.

986
01:14:17,870 --> 01:14:19,990
So even though there's two carriers at the airport,

987
01:14:20,510 --> 01:14:23,810
they really could have just gone with us, because the service we built is so bulletproof.

988
01:14:26,530 --> 01:14:29,930
The other item, as my deep mentioned earlier, is the International Broadcast Center.

989
01:14:30,010 --> 01:14:33,690
That's at the Warner Brothers Ranch, which is currently owned by Worth.

990
01:14:34,410 --> 01:14:42,210
But we had actually already built out redundant communications to that site because Warner Bros. is an important enough customer for us to do that.

991
01:14:42,850 --> 01:14:46,150
So I'm not sure that we're actually going to even need to do anything at this site.

992
01:14:46,190 --> 01:14:47,990
I feel like we're already ready for it.

993
01:14:48,350 --> 01:14:52,870
But we'll meet with them, of course, and decide if they have more and more infrastructure will build it.

994
01:14:53,030 --> 01:14:59,970
Because it's a significant event and it's going to really reflect how the quality of one burbank and burbank services in general.

995
01:15:01,040 --> 01:15:03,880
And that's it. I'll try and keep you asleep. Are there any comments?

996
01:15:04,420 --> 01:15:04,860
Mr. Chair.

997
01:15:06,120 --> 01:15:11,420
Quick question. So when we put this into the airport, did they pay us for that infrastructure

998
01:15:11,420 --> 01:15:16,960
costs or is it just a monthly cost or paying? So for lit services like Internet services,

999
01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:21,280
the costs are recovered from monthly bills. So we don't request like an aid and construction

1000
01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:26,120
upfront to build those. We build it out at our cost and then we bring that back in from

1001
01:15:26,120 --> 01:15:26,460
rates.

1002
01:15:26,460 --> 01:15:30,360
Okay, so all the costs get socialized into the rates then.

1003
01:15:30,660 --> 01:15:32,540
So yeah, to the one-bar bank rates, I should be glad.

1004
01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:33,480
They're not electric rates.

1005
01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:42,700
And so when we build for 35 points to other city facilities that are non-BWP facilities, how's that paid for?

1006
01:15:42,940 --> 01:15:47,940
So for dark fiber links, which all of the city links are, those are actually paid for upfront.

1007
01:15:48,700 --> 01:15:55,840
And then we do, if it's like a city IT issue or something, then we do a fund transfer between the two funds.

1008
01:15:55,840 --> 01:16:00,940
So, anything going into other than BWP is paid for by other city funds and reimbursed.

1009
01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:01,260
Correct.

1010
01:16:01,260 --> 01:16:01,820
Is that a revenue?

1011
01:16:02,300 --> 01:16:03,100
I assume.

1012
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:04,880
Yeah, and that even includes water.

1013
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:07,280
Because, like I said, one Burbank is part of the electric fund.

1014
01:16:07,460 --> 01:16:12,080
So, to an order to avoid cross-subsidization, if a water needs a link,

1015
01:16:12,260 --> 01:16:15,000
then they have to cover the cost to electric.

1016
01:16:15,460 --> 01:16:16,900
Thank you.

1017
01:16:17,420 --> 01:16:18,040
Yeah, the questions.

1018
01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:19,820
I like the graphics.

1019
01:16:20,440 --> 01:16:21,060
They're very nice.

1020
01:16:21,200 --> 01:16:24,660
I'm glad that you guys got a chance to shine and tell us a little bit about your business.

1021
01:16:25,220 --> 01:16:34,880
What is your plan to grow this business, because it's a benefit to rate pairs, it's a benefit to the city, it's some great to talk about?

1022
01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:47,880
Yeah, and that's part of why the 2011 they expanded to let services, because we've been doing dark fiber for a while, and that is a cash register, because you build the infrastructure once and build it every month for 50, 60 years.

1023
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:51,840
But it is a limited number of customers who can even use that.

1024
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:55,400
So by expanding to Internet Services, that grew our market quite a bit.

1025
01:16:55,880 --> 01:17:00,520
We've reached a point where a lot of the big entertainment companies already know about

1026
01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:04,720
us and already use us or have decided they don't want to use us.

1027
01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:09,500
So there's not as much growth in that plus as we're all aware of the entertainment industry

1028
01:17:09,500 --> 01:17:12,960
in Los Angeles is not exactly booming right now.

1029
01:17:12,960 --> 01:17:24,920
Where we are looking to expand is in the medical side, and I'm working with our marketing team to try and focus especially on key accounts with our electric and water,

1030
01:17:25,320 --> 01:17:32,040
who are already used to dealing with kind of customized service, really reaching out into that sector,

1031
01:17:32,440 --> 01:17:38,540
because we have the hospital here and we have the cancer center in a lot of medical facilities nearby.

1032
01:17:38,540 --> 01:17:42,200
That's one area that I would like to try and grow our market.

1033
01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:50,960
We've also recently reached out to some new parts of town that we didn't necessarily have fiber capabilities before.

1034
01:17:51,400 --> 01:17:56,500
And so we're going to be blanketing kind of those areas with Liner saying, hey, we're in your neighborhood now.

1035
01:17:56,720 --> 01:17:58,280
If you're interested, give us a call.

1036
01:17:59,560 --> 01:18:02,200
So marketing is something we didn't do in the past.

1037
01:18:02,360 --> 01:18:04,500
We just kind of relied on word of mouth.

1038
01:18:04,500 --> 01:18:08,700
you're folks who've worked at one of the studios would eventually go move to the other and

1039
01:18:08,700 --> 01:18:14,760
they would all know about our service and to be fair that worked for a while but as you said now

1040
01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:21,120
we kind of have to just to stretch to grow further. Is there a is there a business size or revenue

1041
01:18:21,120 --> 01:18:26,480
size or anything that that you can focus on that's kind of like that's your customer that

1042
01:18:26,480 --> 01:18:31,180
and larger because maybe some small customers like it doesn't make sense but there's probably a

1043
01:18:31,180 --> 01:18:37,820
which it does. Right and you're right as a small business or a business that doesn't necessarily need

1044
01:18:37,820 --> 01:18:43,240
their internet that much like if they're a hair salon or you know a barber shop or maybe like a fast food

1045
01:18:43,240 --> 01:18:49,480
restaurant they need an internet but that's not like their business mission critical part um so

1046
01:18:49,480 --> 01:18:55,040
those are not like a likely customer for one burbank although I will say that we have you know buddies all

1047
01:18:55,040 --> 01:19:00,480
stars down that just makes t-shirts has been a one burbank customer from day one so

1048
01:19:01,180 --> 01:19:05,260
Even some small businesses just because a personal preference is want to go with a local

1049
01:19:05,260 --> 01:19:05,780
carrier.

1050
01:19:06,100 --> 01:19:07,620
They want to reinvest in the community.

1051
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:09,820
So I wouldn't rule anyone out.

1052
01:19:10,220 --> 01:19:15,580
But typically, because the prices for dedicated internet access are usually about 10 times

1053
01:19:15,580 --> 01:19:20,340
the price you're going to pay for a non-dedicated service, you're looking at customers who

1054
01:19:20,340 --> 01:19:23,400
feel that 10 times the price for an internet is worth it.

1055
01:19:23,400 --> 01:19:28,620
So those tend to be medium to large size businesses, and they tend to be technology businesses

1056
01:19:28,620 --> 01:19:32,620
entertainment businesses, folks who are sending a lot of data back and forth.

1057
01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:40,900
I remind me, every couple years as we have this conversation, we used to have it with

1058
01:19:40,900 --> 01:19:41,680
Jim and everyone else.

1059
01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:47,280
Still the roadmap has nothing in it about residential or even large residential.

1060
01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:51,360
But the question I don't remember what the answer was.

1061
01:19:51,540 --> 01:19:55,880
We asked it then about connections to some of the large new multi-family complexes,

1062
01:19:55,880 --> 01:19:58,020
rate providing at least back on to.

1063
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:17,200
I think at the time it was to Luria and then we're talking about, you know, a couple of the other ones, all to whatever it is. Are we getting into that at all? How are you seeing some of that develop and because those are, you know, you just providing it in the building and letting them take it from there as a different business model.

1064
01:20:18,280 --> 01:20:29,980
Right. So we prepared a fiber to the home feasibility study. I've won a state late 2024, maybe mid 2024, which is available and I can happily send it to anyone who wants to.

1065
01:20:29,980 --> 01:20:37,140
read it. The long story short of it is that it would require not just $120 million to build

1066
01:20:37,140 --> 01:20:40,980
the network, but $100 million of that would have to be bond issues and given all of the

1067
01:20:40,980 --> 01:20:45,180
other infrastructure things we're going to need to go out for bonds for. It didn't make sense

1068
01:20:45,180 --> 01:20:52,640
to kind of use our bond rating on something that's a want to have, not a need to have. To the

1069
01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:59,120
point about the large industry and not in the, so the large multi-family, we have thought

1070
01:20:59,120 --> 01:21:03,120
about in the past. And if you're going to do a pilot project, then that's where it makes

1071
01:21:03,120 --> 01:21:06,700
the most sense. You're going to get a lot more bang for your buck if you can hit 500

1072
01:21:06,700 --> 01:21:13,620
customers with one service than the other way around. The challenge though is there's so much

1073
01:21:13,620 --> 01:21:19,880
cost to bring in customer number one. There's so much upfront cost that in order to make any pilot

1074
01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:25,840
actually pay for itself, you really need to spread it out. If you're not getting about 10,000 to 20,000

1075
01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:33,320
customers, you're going to lose money. So if we do a pilot, it's going to lose money. I can guarantee that, just because of the upfront costs.

1076
01:21:34,960 --> 01:21:41,260
And that's not to say that that's bad and we can't do that. But we have to be aware of the fact that if we do that,

1077
01:21:41,380 --> 01:21:45,000
we can't come back later and say, oh, how come we're losing money on this?

1078
01:21:47,120 --> 01:21:48,780
Okay. All right. Thank you very much.

1079
01:21:51,020 --> 01:21:51,400
All right.

1080
01:21:52,580 --> 01:22:00,180
We are now to item number eight, reports to the board, approve, and approve an award-bid schedule

1081
01:22:00,180 --> 01:22:08,000
number 1544 to bright-move energy for electric vehicle charging stations, design build services.

1082
01:22:10,440 --> 01:22:10,620
Welcome.

1083
01:22:11,820 --> 01:22:16,940
Good evening board members and staff and guests, my name is Andres Asarion, Senior Administrative

1084
01:22:16,940 --> 01:22:21,860
panelists with UW-Fee-Sustainability Division, and they'll be presenting to you about a bit

1085
01:22:21,860 --> 01:22:25,900
scheduled 1544 for EV charging station design build services.

1086
01:22:27,780 --> 01:22:33,560
For a little background, UW-P operates 108 public and 37 employee and fleet EV charging

1087
01:22:33,560 --> 01:22:38,760
ports throughout the city. Most of these charging stations were installed by an external

1088
01:22:38,760 --> 01:22:44,280
contractor that did design build services for EV charging stations. However, we haven't had

1089
01:22:44,280 --> 01:22:50,300
contract for these services since 2024, and with goals to deploy more charging stations in the

1090
01:22:50,300 --> 01:22:55,240
near future, particularly DC fast chargers, we felt it was time to get a new contract

1091
01:22:55,240 --> 01:22:55,780
to onboard.

1092
01:22:57,820 --> 01:23:05,880
So that brings us to BitSchedule 1544. Here's a quick timeline of gone. So it was

1093
01:23:05,880 --> 01:23:14,260
issued on February 18th of this year with the deadline for questions a couple of weeks later on

1094
01:23:14,260 --> 01:23:19,060
March 17th. And then between March 17th and June 9th, we worked with our purchasing department

1095
01:23:19,060 --> 01:23:29,480
to evaluate the initials of middles and for VWP to evaluate the proposals and on June 9th,

1096
01:23:30,420 --> 01:23:33,300
they issued a purchasing issue to notice of intent to negotiate.

1097
01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:40,640
So the evaluation, we received four qualified proposals.

1098
01:23:41,280 --> 01:23:46,580
And of the four, we ranked bright and move energy as number one.

1099
01:23:47,080 --> 01:23:48,680
There are really a few reasons for this.

1100
01:23:48,980 --> 01:23:54,240
One, they had the best technical proposal of all the vendors.

1101
01:23:55,020 --> 01:23:57,620
There were a approach to project management and construction management

1102
01:23:57,620 --> 01:24:02,120
with much more thorough and detailed than the other proposals we received.

1103
01:24:03,660 --> 01:24:07,660
Two, they have substantial experience with DC Fast Chargers,

1104
01:24:07,660 --> 01:24:12,080
which, as I alluded to, that's something we're looking to do in the next few years.

1105
01:24:13,220 --> 01:24:18,740
And third, they had the second lowest sample project cost. And I'd like to speak about

1106
01:24:18,740 --> 01:24:24,060
the sample project briefly. So the reason we have to do a sample project is because we,

1107
01:24:24,920 --> 01:24:32,620
this contract is more of an open contract for, sorry, it's more of an open contract as needed for

1108
01:24:32,620 --> 01:24:39,100
projects that we're planning. We don't have a concrete plan just yet, so we felt a sample

1109
01:24:39,100 --> 01:24:46,140
project of 10-level two chargers and 10 DC fast chargers was appropriate for rating the proposals.

1110
01:24:48,040 --> 01:24:53,540
And then the board package included a detailed sample projects, prices for each vendor,

1111
01:24:54,500 --> 01:24:59,560
bridegroom included a more comprehensive price list, which was not included as an attachment,

1112
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:07,260
I believe it's been passed out to you just now. Sorry, could you just mention what you distributed to the board?

1113
01:25:07,520 --> 01:25:13,680
Oh, yeah. So that is a bright move energies, a priceless, that was part of their submittal.

1114
01:25:13,800 --> 01:25:16,240
Okay, and that's in the packet that's posted, right?

1115
01:25:17,440 --> 01:25:21,100
That is not in the packet posted, but it is right here in attached.

1116
01:25:22,100 --> 01:25:23,880
Okay, okay. Thank you.

1117
01:25:24,840 --> 01:25:32,860
And the final note on this slide is that the proposed contract would be for $1.2 million

1118
01:25:32,860 --> 01:25:39,560
for one year with options to extend yearly over the next four years, and the 1.2 million

1119
01:25:39,560 --> 01:25:45,260
is within the approved budget of capital project 2, 2, 1, 6, 4 for EV charging station.

1120
01:25:45,260 --> 01:25:46,900
For the EV charging station program.

1121
01:25:49,410 --> 01:25:53,770
Lastly, just a reminder on how our EV charging projects are funded,

1122
01:25:53,770 --> 01:25:56,950
they're funded through the states, low-carbon fuel standards,

1123
01:25:57,230 --> 01:26:00,050
their LCFS program, and the way this program works.

1124
01:26:00,450 --> 01:26:02,150
If you look at the slide and start at the top,

1125
01:26:02,690 --> 01:26:05,230
BWP earns credits for the electricity

1126
01:26:05,230 --> 01:26:07,730
that we provide for residential EB charging,

1127
01:26:07,750 --> 01:26:10,570
as well as our public and fleet charging stations.

1128
01:26:11,330 --> 01:26:13,370
The credits are sold in the market

1129
01:26:14,170 --> 01:26:16,430
to high-carbon intensity fuel providers.

1130
01:26:17,530 --> 01:26:21,010
And the proceeds from these credits can only be used

1131
01:26:21,010 --> 01:26:28,370
for transportation electrification programs and projects and other activities and what these

1132
01:26:28,370 --> 01:26:34,290
projects and activities do is that they promote EV charging, which increases EV registrations

1133
01:26:34,290 --> 01:26:39,970
in Burbank, increases EV charging sales and allows us to earn more credits and continue the cycle.

1134
01:26:41,770 --> 01:26:47,090
So with that, the recommendation is that the Board of Proving Award contract documents for

1135
01:26:47,090 --> 01:26:57,410
It's scheduled 1544 to brag and move energy in the amount of $1.2 million dollars, and authorized the BWP General Manager to execute the contract in any othercillary

1136
01:26:57,410 --> 01:27:03,150
documents up to an amount available within the approved fiscal year budget. And with

1137
01:27:03,150 --> 01:27:05,550
that, I'm ready to take any questions. Okay.

1138
01:27:06,550 --> 01:27:06,730
Who's

1139
01:27:06,730 --> 01:27:07,530
first? Mr.

1140
01:27:07,530 --> 01:27:08,630
Albany. Sure.

1141
01:27:08,790 --> 01:27:10,010
Thanks. Exciting.

1142
01:27:10,210 --> 01:27:10,730
I have a

1143
01:27:10,730 --> 01:27:12,550
couple of questions. First of all,

1144
01:27:12,970 --> 01:27:14,050
sorry if I missed the detail.

1145
01:27:14,050 --> 01:27:30,330
But the sample, I understand the sample project and then maybe a 1.2 million dollar contract we're deciding on is it decided what is the ratio of a level two versus DC fast charging charging stations the sample project was it was it one or the other was it both.

1146
01:27:30,690 --> 01:27:41,350
So the sample project we included equipment for 10 for a hypothetical project of 10 DC fast charges and 10 level two charges.

1147
01:27:41,930 --> 01:27:49,470
OK, so I guess a follow-up question is, how is it decided what kind of chargers BWP should

1148
01:27:49,470 --> 01:27:50,010
be involved in?

1149
01:27:50,050 --> 01:27:51,590
That's a 50-50 split.

1150
01:27:52,150 --> 01:27:59,910
I guess, I think about if a DC fast charging charger station costs twice as much or 10 times

1151
01:27:59,910 --> 01:28:05,890
as much, I'm not sure, maybe have that in here, how do you decide on the split because

1152
01:28:05,890 --> 01:28:10,610
are we trying to get faster charging or more charging out to residents?

1153
01:28:10,610 --> 01:28:15,130
I would think that one of the ways to get more cars on the street and more residents who

1154
01:28:15,130 --> 01:28:22,250
don't have charging at home to buy any of the is to have accessible, more chargers available.

1155
01:28:22,590 --> 01:28:27,590
But I wonder if you've done this study of what's more, which of those types of chargers

1156
01:28:27,590 --> 01:28:29,230
is going to get more people to buy EVs?

1157
01:28:29,770 --> 01:28:33,050
So, something to interrupt is my deep and help answer this question.

1158
01:28:33,930 --> 01:28:38,410
So, we did have someone that came in last month's talking about getting a parking ticket

1159
01:28:38,410 --> 01:28:40,550
for overnight level to parking.

1160
01:28:41,610 --> 01:28:44,850
So a lot of the push has been for DC fast chargers.

1161
01:28:45,410 --> 01:28:48,430
The two outside here in the customer service parking lot,

1162
01:28:48,950 --> 01:28:51,570
I look at that every day is never empty.

1163
01:28:51,870 --> 01:28:54,270
Sometimes I need to fill up my car with the DC,

1164
01:28:54,430 --> 01:28:55,430
and I could barely make it home,

1165
01:28:55,470 --> 01:28:56,430
but never get an opportunity.

1166
01:28:57,350 --> 01:29:00,630
But so I think they ask from the public

1167
01:29:00,630 --> 01:29:04,790
and the customers have been consistent, quick, non-ticket

1168
01:29:05,470 --> 01:29:08,310
fast charging, so that's probably what we're looking at,

1169
01:29:08,310 --> 01:29:12,830
really is going to come based on what we see and what people are wanting. So we just want to go both ways.

1170
01:29:13,170 --> 01:29:19,070
So that $1.2 million, you might decide to spend it all on DC fast charging. If your sample was

1171
01:29:19,070 --> 01:29:25,650
a split, you can modify the terms of these contract aren't fixed and you have to do a 50-50.

1172
01:29:26,010 --> 01:29:29,970
No, you can see different terms. No, it's not fixed. No, it's not fixed. We can spend it

1173
01:29:31,570 --> 01:29:34,170
depending on what we decide for each side and project.

1174
01:29:38,140 --> 01:29:40,140
Very exciting stuff and just so okay. So

1175
01:29:40,760 --> 01:29:48,420
Again, it's one of the coolest programs, right, the LCFS credits that just, you know, more people use it, the more money we have, the more we can deploy and it just, it's an awesome cycle.

1176
01:29:49,200 --> 01:29:56,300
So, it's not to exceed 1.2 per year, so there might be years that we might not actually use 1.2 per year.

1177
01:29:56,680 --> 01:29:59,980
So, if I may clarify, it's 1.2 for the first time.

1178
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:07,220
The next year. Okay. And Ms. Sam, did you want to speak? Yeah. It's with options to extend yearly.

1179
01:30:08,460 --> 01:30:18,480
The amount can be decided each year. Okay. It's not 1.2 every single year. Okay. Got it. And the option to extend or the general manager's option to extend. That's right. Okay.

1180
01:30:19,940 --> 01:30:27,500
All of these are going to, or all of the work. I don't know, for instance, all the work that's being carried under this specific bid or bright order.

1181
01:30:27,500 --> 01:30:31,540
It's all public facing chargers or is this, you know, we don't know what we're going to install.

1182
01:30:31,760 --> 01:30:36,260
This might be city lots, chargers, this might be whatever it might be everything.

1183
01:30:37,640 --> 01:30:40,700
Yeah, so it's all for public facing chargers.

1184
01:30:40,920 --> 01:30:43,760
So whether it's that city lots or other locations, it would be for public facing.

1185
01:30:43,760 --> 01:30:47,540
Okay, so it's not like none of its gate restricted chargers that are being.

1186
01:30:49,140 --> 01:30:50,140
So that's what it is.

1187
01:30:50,620 --> 01:30:56,980
So we do have some but we're only low carbon fuel standards are have to be used on public facing chargers.

1188
01:30:56,980 --> 01:31:00,120
So that 1.155 million will go towards that.

1189
01:31:00,220 --> 01:31:02,920
And we could also use it towards BWP funding for something else,

1190
01:31:03,000 --> 01:31:04,660
but really we're focused on the public base in charge.

1191
01:31:04,660 --> 01:31:05,220
Got you.

1192
01:31:05,420 --> 01:31:07,720
And so we have no, at this point,

1193
01:31:08,160 --> 01:31:10,880
we haven't decided where they're going to go yet, correct?

1194
01:31:10,920 --> 01:31:13,620
So we have not, we don't have the deployment map and stuff

1195
01:31:13,620 --> 01:31:14,100
like that yet.

1196
01:31:14,320 --> 01:31:16,900
We have a short list of sites that we're considering,

1197
01:31:17,900 --> 01:31:19,640
but we really need to get a contract

1198
01:31:19,640 --> 01:31:23,520
around work to help us plan the initial feasibility studies

1199
01:31:23,520 --> 01:31:24,740
for those sites.

1200
01:31:24,740 --> 01:31:32,580
Okay, and then you at that point that's when will there be a community component will there be an outreach component to it because I remember if I remember correctly

1201
01:31:32,580 --> 01:31:35,640
You know like some of the ones that were installed different places some folks were

1202
01:31:36,780 --> 01:31:42,060
Disatisfied with the locations outside of their businesses or you know removing parking outside of the senior

1203
01:31:42,060 --> 01:31:48,460
The senior housing that was on that's on clinics and Harvard like so how do you plan to it's not for today never went?

1204
01:31:48,520 --> 01:31:49,480
It's not for you

1205
01:31:50,420 --> 01:31:54,260
The last comment I really appreciated the thoroughness of the staff or even though it's short

1206
01:31:54,260 --> 01:31:57,980
it's sweet, but you also mentioned all the pricing from the other

1207
01:31:57,980 --> 01:32:00,920
proposals and I know that's something like sometimes I so I really

1208
01:32:00,920 --> 01:32:03,160
appreciate that you put all that in there and it had all the

1209
01:32:03,160 --> 01:32:07,700
examples. It helps digest it pretty quickly and go through it and

1210
01:32:07,700 --> 01:32:11,920
not have to ask questions. They what did this guy have? So thank you Mr.

1211
01:32:12,040 --> 01:32:16,540
Chair. And I did want to thank you too that the actual draft contract was

1212
01:32:16,540 --> 01:32:20,140
attached. You know, that's what I asked for going for and I really

1213
01:32:20,140 --> 01:32:23,860
appreciate that's there. And I did go through the entire thing just so

1214
01:32:24,700 --> 01:32:41,200
But I'm retired, so I have a child, but also in the sense of doing this, we still have the other funds available to four rebates to businesses or other private entities too that are looking to put in DC fast charging as well.

1215
01:32:41,760 --> 01:32:46,020
And those could go on private. Those have to be publicly accessible as well, correct?

1216
01:32:47,220 --> 01:32:55,160
If I speak to them, so we'd offer rebates to our customers for EV charging stations.

1217
01:32:55,360 --> 01:33:01,460
They don't have to be public, and if they're not public and they're not in a disadvantaged

1218
01:33:01,460 --> 01:33:03,100
community, they get a lower rebate.

1219
01:33:04,320 --> 01:33:08,520
And if they're not public, we're the funding from that's coming from the front, same funding

1220
01:33:08,520 --> 01:33:09,260
source or different.

1221
01:33:09,780 --> 01:33:11,040
Yeah, it's coming from the same funding source.

1222
01:33:11,060 --> 01:33:13,040
So it doesn't have to be publicly facing, I think.

1223
01:33:13,040 --> 01:33:20,040
So, we get else, so they have to, I think they believe they find over their LCFS to us, so that's the thing that I believe.

1224
01:33:20,540 --> 01:33:29,380
Yeah, so if they get a rebate, they have to assign their LCFS rights to us, which means that we get LCFS credits from the Chargers A deploy.

1225
01:33:29,880 --> 01:33:42,000
So, sorry, I had originally said it has to be all public A-sings, sorry, that is not the case, as long as those that we installed will give us the rights to the LCFS credits using the LFCFS funds.

1226
01:33:42,000 --> 01:33:47,580
but we can use public benefit funds to do separate rebates on that because that is allowed under

1227
01:33:47,580 --> 01:33:50,180
the public benefit usage for some correction.

1228
01:33:50,360 --> 01:33:50,680
Great.

1229
01:33:50,900 --> 01:33:51,680
Thank you.

1230
01:33:52,520 --> 01:33:58,700
I just wanted to say, looking at the pricing on this, I thought the price was actually pretty

1231
01:33:58,700 --> 01:33:59,080
low.

1232
01:33:59,800 --> 01:34:04,540
And so I'm glad we have the, you're setting up the contract in such a way that you can get

1233
01:34:04,540 --> 01:34:11,260
a year's worth to see if it was a low bid and if it's truly able to deliver on those

1234
01:34:11,260 --> 01:34:12,920
and you can extend a year over here.

1235
01:34:13,080 --> 01:34:14,440
I think that's a smart way of doing it.

1236
01:34:14,600 --> 01:34:16,040
So just want to comment on it.

1237
01:34:16,240 --> 01:34:16,980
Thank you.

1238
01:34:18,080 --> 01:34:18,940
Just a quick question.

1239
01:34:19,640 --> 01:34:23,780
We're using capital money for this project, right?

1240
01:34:24,360 --> 01:34:25,380
Yes, we are.

1241
01:34:25,800 --> 01:34:29,160
But that specific capital project is funded by LCFS.

1242
01:34:29,800 --> 01:34:30,100
So OK.

1243
01:34:30,380 --> 01:34:32,720
And I forgot to mention it during the presentation,

1244
01:34:32,980 --> 01:34:36,460
but anything funded by LCFS doesn't affect electric rates.

1245
01:34:36,640 --> 01:34:37,320
Thank you.

1246
01:34:38,120 --> 01:34:39,020
So that's the report.

1247
01:34:39,180 --> 01:34:39,800
I'm like, wait a minute.

1248
01:34:41,500 --> 01:34:42,920
There's no more questions.

1249
01:34:44,480 --> 01:34:45,120
Happy to make a motion.

1250
01:34:45,580 --> 01:34:45,700
Okay.

1251
01:34:46,100 --> 01:34:46,380
Please do.

1252
01:34:46,980 --> 01:34:47,340
Okay.

1253
01:34:47,480 --> 01:34:50,560
Motion in a second to approve the contract.

1254
01:34:52,700 --> 01:34:52,980
All right.

1255
01:34:53,800 --> 01:34:54,320
Mr. Iskender.

1256
01:34:54,640 --> 01:34:55,080
Yes.

1257
01:34:56,440 --> 01:34:57,120
Mr. Malat.

1258
01:34:57,440 --> 01:34:57,460
Yes.

1259
01:34:58,280 --> 01:34:58,780
Mr. Alman.

1260
01:34:59,400 --> 01:34:59,640
Yes.

1261
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:01,840
Yes. Motion carries.

1262
01:35:04,990 --> 01:35:17,690
Okay, wonderful. Thank you very much. And Adam, I'm sorry, I'm to item 8B approval to enter into professional service agreement with Burns and McDonald McDonald.

1263
01:35:18,950 --> 01:35:32,030
All right. Good evening, board members, Chairman and staff. My name is Sean Heagroll, power production manager, and I'm going to be presenting on a recommendation to enter into our professional services agreement with Burns and McDonald to prepare in all of power

1264
01:35:32,030 --> 01:35:34,570
plant, repowering alternative to study.

1265
01:35:39,620 --> 01:35:42,960
So before we get into the professional services agreement, I'll give a little bit of background

1266
01:35:42,960 --> 01:35:44,140
on the all of power plants.

1267
01:35:44,700 --> 01:35:49,500
So all of this comprised of the all of one in two units, their natural gas fired, conventional

1268
01:35:49,500 --> 01:35:55,980
utility boilers, all of one was commissioned back in 1959, it's a 44 megawatt unit.

1269
01:35:56,520 --> 01:36:02,120
All of two was commissioned shortly after in 1964, and it is a 55 megawatt unit.

1270
01:36:02,120 --> 01:36:09,040
these power plants last ran in 2012, they've been in dry lay-up available for

1271
01:36:09,040 --> 01:36:13,940
generation, but on an emergency basis since then, the main driver for putting

1272
01:36:13,940 --> 01:36:19,420
them into dry lay-up is really efficiency, so these units being built in the

1273
01:36:19,420 --> 01:36:24,600
late 50s or early 60s, they utilize older technology, technologies improved quite

1274
01:36:24,600 --> 01:36:27,660
a bit over the years, so we have much more efficient units like

1275
01:36:27,660 --> 01:36:33,160
only on Lake that if offer a better heat rate than you could get with the all of units.

1276
01:36:33,640 --> 01:36:38,420
In addition to that, being built back in late 50s or early 60s, a lot of the parts are obsolete,

1277
01:36:39,040 --> 01:36:43,060
difficult to get expensive to repair so the decision was made to put those into dry layup.

1278
01:36:45,320 --> 01:36:51,200
Moving on to the reliability piece. So you may be wondering, if they haven't ran since 2012,

1279
01:36:51,420 --> 01:36:57,640
why do we need to repower them? And that's a good question. If we look at the peak load in

1280
01:36:57,640 --> 01:37:03,360
around 320 megawatts. And also, if you look at the graph on the right there, this is some

1281
01:37:03,360 --> 01:37:08,380
recent data from the United States Energy Information Administration. It shows the projection

1282
01:37:08,380 --> 01:37:13,680
for electricity consumption for all sectors in the United States. And you can see over the next

1283
01:37:13,680 --> 01:37:19,580
20 years as a sharp trend of that increasing. And so we heard some presentations tonight about

1284
01:37:19,580 --> 01:37:24,720
electric vehicle chargers. We talked a little bit about building electrification. All of these

1285
01:37:24,720 --> 01:37:28,820
things are contributing to that load growth that we're expected to see over the next 20 years.

1286
01:37:29,980 --> 01:37:33,500
Now, if you think about our current local generation that we have on site, that would be the

1287
01:37:33,500 --> 01:37:38,660
magnolia power project of which Burbank has a 90 megawatts share, and then as well as the

1288
01:37:38,660 --> 01:37:44,180
lake one power plant, which is 45 megawatts. So we have about 135 megawatts of local generating capacity

1289
01:37:44,180 --> 01:37:49,780
currently, comparing that to the peak load of 320 megawatts, you can see we're less than half

1290
01:37:49,780 --> 01:37:53,020
of our peak load is actually supported by local generation.

1291
01:37:54,020 --> 01:37:55,400
So how do we make up that gap?

1292
01:37:55,600 --> 01:37:58,040
Right now we have a lot of power sources

1293
01:37:58,040 --> 01:38:00,880
that are imported into Burbank system from out of state.

1294
01:38:01,240 --> 01:38:04,060
Things like Hoover Dam, Tietz and Hydra Power Project,

1295
01:38:04,180 --> 01:38:05,220
Inter-Mountain Power Project,

1296
01:38:05,300 --> 01:38:08,000
all the different resources across the Western United States

1297
01:38:08,000 --> 01:38:09,900
that bring that power into Burbank system.

1298
01:38:10,540 --> 01:38:12,940
And that powers brought in via transmission lines.

1299
01:38:13,960 --> 01:38:15,840
And the title of this slide is reliability.

1300
01:38:16,160 --> 01:38:17,120
So looking at the transmission,

1301
01:38:17,120 --> 01:38:22,920
there are some risks there that can impact reliability, we've all seen the wildfires over the

1302
01:38:22,920 --> 01:38:28,440
last few years that can impact transmission lines. You know, as a recent example, up at the

1303
01:38:28,440 --> 01:38:34,620
tides in hydropower unit in Washington, that is owned by Skappa and we are entitled to a 50%

1304
01:38:34,620 --> 01:38:39,900
share of that project. There was a retreat fire up there a few years ago that was wasn't caused

1305
01:38:39,900 --> 01:38:43,700
by the plant, but it actually damaged the transmission line from the plant to the substation.

1306
01:38:43,700 --> 01:38:48,720
So when the transmission line was damaged, that resource was unavailable for an extended period

1307
01:38:48,720 --> 01:38:50,620
time until they made the transmission repairs.

1308
01:38:51,220 --> 01:38:56,120
So you can see how impacts of the transmission system can impact reliability here locally.

1309
01:38:56,760 --> 01:39:03,900
Additionally, if we look at the increase in energy generation, we're going to have to bring new resources online

1310
01:39:03,900 --> 01:39:06,560
in order to meet that projected load growth.

1311
01:39:07,200 --> 01:39:10,520
And the current transmission capacity is constrained, right?

1312
01:39:10,520 --> 01:39:14,280
So, you know, there's only a certain amount of electrons you can get through the existing

1313
01:39:14,280 --> 01:39:18,040
lines and adding new transmission lines is challenging.

1314
01:39:18,320 --> 01:39:20,560
It's both very costly and very time-consuming.

1315
01:39:21,280 --> 01:39:26,280
So, you're looking at 10 plus years for new transmission as well as tens of millions of dollars

1316
01:39:26,280 --> 01:39:27,220
to build that infrastructure.

1317
01:39:28,080 --> 01:39:33,720
So, we talked a little bit about some of the reliability issues with importing power, but

1318
01:39:33,720 --> 01:39:38,240
there's also some local system benefits that are involved with having local generation.

1319
01:39:38,240 --> 01:39:44,380
So having that rotating mass here in Burbank provides a lot of system stability, so you have

1320
01:39:44,380 --> 01:39:50,380
voltage support, frequency support, the generators can kind of respond to system issues and

1321
01:39:50,380 --> 01:39:51,900
help stabilize the system.

1322
01:39:52,400 --> 01:39:52,800
In addition,

1323
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:11,120
Our local units are dispatchable, so the lake one power plant, we can start that power plant up in 10 minutes, bring 45 megawatts online when we need it, and we can also shut it off at the end of the night when it's not needed.

1324
01:40:11,800 --> 01:40:16,820
It's kind of like BWP's motto always there for you, the lake one power plant's always there for us.

1325
01:40:17,680 --> 01:40:29,980
Lastly, I'll talk a little bit about islanding and black star capabilities, so if there was a major system event like an earthquake or something that took out the entire Western grid, there would be a huge restoration effort in order to get the, you know,

1326
01:40:29,980 --> 01:40:34,160
the grid back online and that would take a lot of time, a lot of energy, but

1327
01:40:34,160 --> 01:40:39,300
Burbank is a city theoretically could open the tie lines between LA and Glendale.

1328
01:40:39,800 --> 01:40:42,740
We have a black start generator that we could use to start Lake 1.

1329
01:40:42,740 --> 01:40:46,280
We could use Lake 1 to start Magnolia and run Burbank as an island.

1330
01:40:47,200 --> 01:40:51,300
I know our energy control center, they're looking at some studies right now that

1331
01:40:51,300 --> 01:40:54,620
is related to islanding and running Burbank as an island.

1332
01:40:58,190 --> 01:41:00,150
One more thing I'll touch on about reliability.

1333
01:41:00,150 --> 01:41:07,150
So this chart is pretty important. If you look at the side on the left, this talks about all of the generating assets that have been decommissioned.

1334
01:41:07,990 --> 01:41:17,010
So the old Magnolia units, the olive 3 and 4 units, you could see over the years we've decommissioned about 162.8 megawatts of local generation.

1335
01:41:18,090 --> 01:41:25,470
In that time, same time period, we have added some generation, namely the Lake One Power Plant that I mentioned, 45 megawatts that went into service in 2002.

1336
01:41:25,470 --> 01:41:31,570
and the Magnolia Power Project, which Burbank shared 90 megawatts that went into service in 2005.

1337
01:41:32,150 --> 01:41:38,790
So we've added 135 megawatts. Now, if you look at that difference there, a little under 30 megawatts were still short.

1338
01:41:39,310 --> 01:41:45,670
And then if you include all of one in two in that number, you know, it's another 99 megawatts, which really is, you know, it's there,

1339
01:41:45,770 --> 01:41:51,890
but it's not really available. It's about 126.8 megawatts of local generating capacity that has been lost.

1340
01:41:51,890 --> 01:42:03,050
And, you know, if we think about that story of the loading precinct, local generation, you know, we've lost a lot of that, it kind of creates a picture where there's a need to add local generating resources.

1341
01:42:04,610 --> 01:42:11,450
So the purpose of this feasibility study is really to look at all the different options out there to replace the all of power plant.

1342
01:42:11,450 --> 01:42:21,270
The heart of the study is a technology evaluation, so it's going to look at basically every feasible technology to replace the all of units that's commercially available proven technologies.

1343
01:42:22,170 --> 01:42:25,050
Some of them are reciprocating internal combustion engines.

1344
01:42:25,050 --> 01:42:32,670
Our neighbors in Glendale just recently installed some more Zilla IC engines, so they're in the process of commissioning those

1345
01:42:33,110 --> 01:42:41,550
Simple cycle gas turbines similar to our lake one unit linear generators. This is sort of a newer technology where natural gas is mixed with air

1346
01:42:41,550 --> 01:42:47,990
And there's a chemical reaction not combustion and it causes these oscillators to move back and forth and create electricity

1347
01:42:48,730 --> 01:42:52,370
fuel cells so hydrogen fuel cells that could you know

1348
01:42:52,370 --> 01:42:57,790
produce electricity through an electrochemical reaction, combined cycle plants, similar to

1349
01:42:57,790 --> 01:43:02,470
Magnolia, super efficient power plants, as well as battery energy storage systems.

1350
01:43:06,430 --> 01:43:09,890
The other part of the study that we'll be looking at is there's a lot of other important

1351
01:43:09,890 --> 01:43:10,550
pieces there.

1352
01:43:10,650 --> 01:43:15,270
One of them is the decommissioning cost estimate, obviously there's a cost involved with removing

1353
01:43:15,270 --> 01:43:16,610
the existing plants.

1354
01:43:16,950 --> 01:43:21,050
There's a site layout screening, which is sort of a high level overview of the site.

1355
01:43:21,330 --> 01:43:24,510
Some of these technologies take up quite a bit of space, so you could see in the

1356
01:43:24,510 --> 01:43:29,670
there, the Magnolia power plant at the top of the campus takes up quite a bit of space, maybe

1357
01:43:29,670 --> 01:43:33,870
it's not even feasible to build a combined cycle plant in the space where all of one

1358
01:43:33,870 --> 01:43:34,730
and two currently are.

1359
01:43:34,850 --> 01:43:39,530
So that's something they'll be looking at, cooling technology evaluation, so some of these

1360
01:43:39,530 --> 01:43:42,950
technologies like IC engines might require a small cooling tower.

1361
01:43:44,050 --> 01:43:48,950
Other configurations like a combined cycle plant would require a large cooling tower.

1362
01:43:49,310 --> 01:43:53,110
You could also install an air cooled condenser that doesn't use any water, but it does take

1363
01:43:53,110 --> 01:43:54,870
up significantly more real estate.

1364
01:43:55,450 --> 01:44:00,250
So kind of looking at the different options there as well as looking at the availability of

1365
01:44:00,250 --> 01:44:00,970
recycled water.

1366
01:44:01,210 --> 01:44:06,610
So magnolia operates on 100% recycled water that's supported by the local Burbank water

1367
01:44:06,610 --> 01:44:07,890
reclamation plant.

1368
01:44:08,330 --> 01:44:12,750
But we'd have to make sure that for whatever technologies available, there's available water

1369
01:44:12,750 --> 01:44:14,190
to support the clean needs.

1370
01:44:14,790 --> 01:44:16,670
Additionally, dispatch and market assessments.

1371
01:44:16,830 --> 01:44:20,890
So that's looking at how these different technologies would perform in the current power

1372
01:44:20,890 --> 01:44:21,770
energy markets.

1373
01:44:21,770 --> 01:44:29,310
So there's different heat rates, different incentives for those units at different times of the day and different markets.

1374
01:44:29,970 --> 01:44:37,750
The conceptual side arrangement would be looking at more than a high level screening, more so like if you actually select an option, how would you actually lay it out?

1375
01:44:37,950 --> 01:44:43,730
Like you put a gas turbine here, a steam turbine here, looking at the actual feasibility of that.

1376
01:44:44,270 --> 01:44:48,370
And then moving on to the project sequencing plan, so this is really like a high level schedule.

1377
01:44:48,370 --> 01:44:52,310
you know, how long is it going to take to get from start to finish, you know, it's going to be a lot of planning,

1378
01:44:52,510 --> 01:44:57,530
permitting, engineering, construction, commissioning, procurement, you know, right now a lot of

1379
01:44:57,530 --> 01:44:59,970
that stuff can take, you know, five plus years to get to the end.

1380
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:11,940
Not Lisa's environmental permitting. So being that we're in California, there's a lot of strict environmental requirements. So permitting is a huge deal. You have to be able to permit where you're going to build one note that I will mention about the on the permitting side.

1381
01:45:12,240 --> 01:45:28,580
So that all of one in two units, they currently are still on our permit to operate with the South Coast Air Quality Management District. We do have a mission reduction credits allocated for those units. Those credits are valued around $25 million and could be used towards a future project.

1382
01:45:30,580 --> 01:45:36,980
Moving on to, so once we determined what was needed for this study, we went out and put an RFP out.

1383
01:45:37,080 --> 01:45:41,480
We reached out to six different consultants. We received responses from four of them.

1384
01:45:41,600 --> 01:45:44,100
We looked at a lot of different things. We looked at cost, qualifications.

1385
01:45:44,780 --> 01:45:51,240
They're understanding the project, their availability, references, past performance, quite a few different metrics.

1386
01:45:51,800 --> 01:45:54,760
And we also had them, you know, we met with them. They all gave us a presentation.

1387
01:45:54,760 --> 01:46:00,720
And based on the evaluation we did, we selected Burns and McDonald as the most qualified vendor.

1388
01:46:02,460 --> 01:46:04,520
So, you may have heard of Burns and McDonald.

1389
01:46:04,520 --> 01:46:07,520
They're a large global engineering consulting firm.

1390
01:46:07,820 --> 01:46:12,060
They've consulted on over 150 plus gigawatts of energy generation.

1391
01:46:12,800 --> 01:46:14,460
They've done a lot of different roles.

1392
01:46:15,220 --> 01:46:17,260
They've worked with people that are building plants.

1393
01:46:17,540 --> 01:46:21,580
They've also been the EPC contractor, the engineering procurement and construction contractor.

1394
01:46:21,580 --> 01:46:22,800
They're actually building the plants.

1395
01:46:22,800 --> 01:46:26,780
So they have, you know, boots on the ground, a lot of experience actually implementing these

1396
01:46:26,780 --> 01:46:27,820
generation projects.

1397
01:46:28,640 --> 01:46:29,980
They provided a list of references.

1398
01:46:30,180 --> 01:46:34,940
They've worked with a lot of municipalities, a lot of large utilities, so they have a pretty

1399
01:46:34,940 --> 01:46:35,880
strong work history.

1400
01:46:36,720 --> 01:46:40,960
And then the last bullet point, which is important, is they do have a California based team that

1401
01:46:40,960 --> 01:46:42,700
specializes in generation projects.

1402
01:46:43,200 --> 01:46:47,300
Again, as I mentioned, California has a very unique regulatory environment, so having someone

1403
01:46:47,300 --> 01:46:50,940
who's familiar with that and aware of all the permanent rules and different requirements

1404
01:46:50,940 --> 01:46:56,220
is really important to make sure you, you know, actually get a good evaluation and understand

1405
01:46:56,220 --> 01:46:57,260
whether something's feasible.

1406
01:46:59,910 --> 01:47:03,990
So the cost for this study is not to exceed $290,000. We do

1407
01:47:03,990 --> 01:47:10,390
have funds budgeted in the proof fiscal year 2627 budget. They were budgeted in TBD because we

1408
01:47:10,390 --> 01:47:14,490
didn't know who are going to use, which is why we're coming to the board now to ask to spend those funds.

1409
01:47:16,090 --> 01:47:19,750
So with that, I'll give the recommendation staff is recommending that the Burbank Water and

1410
01:47:19,750 --> 01:47:25,810
board authorize the general manager of BWP as a designate of the city manager to enter into a professional

1411
01:47:25,810 --> 01:47:30,270
services agreement with Burns and McDonald Western Enterprises Inc. to prepare in all of

1412
01:47:30,270 --> 01:47:36,950
power plant repower alternatives study. And with that I will take any questions before we move on just a moment.

1413
01:47:37,210 --> 01:47:41,050
Yeah, I'm just going to re-use myself. I have a close personal friend. Hepburns and McDonald's.

1414
01:47:41,590 --> 01:47:48,810
So, continue the discussion. Thank you. Okay. I actually have a question. Sure. You talked about fuel cells.

1415
01:47:48,810 --> 01:47:56,850
I have a deep history with fuel cells and you talk and actually hydrogen bio gas and natural gas

1416
01:47:56,850 --> 01:48:00,490
Sure, I know a lot about that. I worked with fuel cells

1417
01:48:01,710 --> 01:48:10,630
There since I think 2016 so 10 years. Okay. Are you able to talk about what company you're looking at or is that

1418
01:48:10,630 --> 01:48:17,970
confidential or undetermined? That is undetermined at this point. So yeah, Burns and McDonald they'll look at all these different technologies and see what's

1419
01:48:17,970 --> 01:48:22,190
available commercially at what scale and then they'll provide some recommendations

1420
01:48:22,190 --> 01:48:28,770
that and a lot of what I did was fuel cells for municipal districts. This is public

1421
01:48:28,770 --> 01:48:33,730
information so I can tell you the city of Tolerary San Bernardino places like that.

1422
01:48:33,970 --> 01:48:38,730
Okay. So that's why I asked. I'm just professional curious. Yeah, I agree. Thank you.

1423
01:48:38,870 --> 01:48:46,530
Before we move on, the time is now 650. So I think we have to we may go beyond the two

1424
01:48:46,530 --> 01:48:53,730
So is the remaining members of the Board okay with that? Okay, in general manager. I'm right with that. Yes, okay

1425
01:48:54,470 --> 01:48:56,790
Okay, she's a deciding factor. Yeah, we're good

1426
01:48:58,170 --> 01:48:59,710
I just asked the general manager

1427
01:49:01,190 --> 01:49:08,170
Okay, yes, Mr. Almond. Yeah, I have a couple of questions. Thank you very great presentation that you clearly have a lot of knowledge about this

1428
01:49:10,920 --> 01:49:13,680
It's cool that we have these decommissioned power plants

1429
01:49:13,680 --> 01:49:26,180
But I'm a little concerned that this project is this inquiry is really going forth under the assumption that Hey Burbank special we have two decommissioned power plants. Let's use that.

1430
01:49:26,940 --> 01:49:38,520
And I sense that there could be a little bias. I looked at burns and McDonald's website. It looks like they are involved in a lot of different construction projects, not just say gas, shared power plants.

1431
01:49:38,520 --> 01:49:45,540
They did some BESS and solar, so it seems like they wouldn't necessarily have a bias, but they are a builder.

1432
01:49:46,680 --> 01:49:50,380
So if you went to them and say we have these two decommissioned power plants,

1433
01:49:51,140 --> 01:49:55,400
Isn't that cool? Can you come up with an idea for us that you would build potentially?

1434
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:08,040
I'm a little concerned that they'll just default to this. And the issues that you raised are very valid about

1435
01:50:08,040 --> 01:50:16,860
the increase in demand for electricity. But that applies to every city and every customer in the United States.

1436
01:50:17,280 --> 01:50:23,020
And they don't all have these two decommissioned power plants sitting on their property. And they have to deal with this, too,

1437
01:50:23,020 --> 01:50:29,500
which is, I just don't want us to over index on the fact that we have these 270-year-old power plants

1438
01:50:31,540 --> 01:50:37,600
and be very open-minded to the, if you can turn to page 5, so I'm so glad this has included.

1439
01:50:37,900 --> 01:50:44,380
I just want to make sure there is equal weight put on these alternatives and that there is no bias

1440
01:50:44,380 --> 01:50:53,000
in the way we've approached Brindler McDonald or that they'll come back to us because they want to

1441
01:50:53,000 --> 01:50:54,720
This is not even going to chime in.

1442
01:50:54,820 --> 01:50:57,000
We do not have to decommission in power plants.

1443
01:50:57,180 --> 01:50:57,840
There's still a commission.

1444
01:50:58,520 --> 01:51:00,020
So we still have air permits for that.

1445
01:51:00,160 --> 01:51:01,960
So when I highlight that, so I think the difference

1446
01:51:01,960 --> 01:51:06,100
is we're one of the few that has two commissioned power plants

1447
01:51:06,100 --> 01:51:08,900
where we have alternative options to repower.

1448
01:51:09,500 --> 01:51:11,960
So when I highlight that, secondly, you're

1449
01:51:11,960 --> 01:51:14,900
correct to ask me 35, SB 79, all of these

1450
01:51:14,900 --> 01:51:15,980
unprecedented state mandates.

1451
01:51:15,980 --> 01:51:18,640
Really are going to lead to not having enough reliability.

1452
01:51:19,280 --> 01:51:21,140
So we're looking at all the best options.

1453
01:51:21,140 --> 01:51:26,300
And it burns in McDonald's, they looked at six proposals, these are the best four, and they put out to say,

1454
01:51:26,420 --> 01:51:32,220
X, they looked at four, we're looking at everything equally, we're looking at also reliability and affordability.

1455
01:51:33,040 --> 01:51:34,720
So nothing is an also sustainability.

1456
01:51:35,440 --> 01:51:41,700
We also have to, you know, be cognizant that all three may not happen given the technologies that exist today.

1457
01:51:41,940 --> 01:51:47,120
So what we're doing right now is looking at every single option given that these are not decommissioned.

1458
01:51:50,740 --> 01:51:56,280
Did you do you question answered sufficiently or I appreciate the detail

1459
01:51:56,280 --> 01:52:02,920
Miss Samra but I think regardless of the status of those power plants

1460
01:52:02,920 --> 01:52:09,960
I think the the bigger question is is that really an asset that we want to index on and and it wasn't burns a McDonald

1461
01:52:09,960 --> 01:52:13,000
Approach with what I'm reading here is

1462
01:52:13,720 --> 01:52:16,900
Preparing all of power plant repower alternative study

1463
01:52:16,900 --> 01:52:20,320
So I'm wondering like how, that's the title of the study.

1464
01:52:21,120 --> 01:52:24,560
So alternatives, all of Power Plant plus these alternatives,

1465
01:52:25,080 --> 01:52:28,260
equal waiting, I'm just concerned that

1466
01:52:28,260 --> 01:52:31,780
brands of McDonald's will say, well, we have this study

1467
01:52:31,780 --> 01:52:35,440
and we're going to focus most on all of Power Plant

1468
01:52:35,440 --> 01:52:38,100
Repower as opposed to those six options.

1469
01:52:38,880 --> 01:52:41,520
No, they're all equally weighted, and so I will highlight that.

1470
01:52:41,540 --> 01:52:43,080
We have to look at every single option.

1471
01:52:43,240 --> 01:52:45,480
I am also going to highlight that we are RFP

1472
01:52:45,480 --> 01:52:47,220
for the integrated resources out.

1473
01:52:47,580 --> 01:52:51,100
So this is in tandem to this actually help support that.

1474
01:52:51,100 --> 01:52:53,500
We're hopeful that we'll get the study done quite quickly

1475
01:52:53,500 --> 01:52:56,580
that'll help with the studies in the integrated resources plan.

1476
01:52:56,700 --> 01:52:58,900
That would go to City Council for approval.

1477
01:52:59,380 --> 01:53:01,420
But I just wanted to highlight that the specificity

1478
01:53:01,420 --> 01:53:03,460
is that we do have budgets that decide the reason

1479
01:53:03,460 --> 01:53:06,460
we couldn't do this earlier is obviously I switched hats, right?

1480
01:53:06,460 --> 01:53:08,220
And so I really just want to give Kudos to Sean.

1481
01:53:08,860 --> 01:53:10,640
And it's really capitalizing in the fact

1482
01:53:10,640 --> 01:53:12,560
that we do need a meat reliability,

1483
01:53:12,820 --> 01:53:14,860
where the highest reliability in the area.

1484
01:53:14,860 --> 01:53:17,120
We would love to stay there.

1485
01:53:18,590 --> 01:53:19,550
Any other question?

1486
01:53:20,890 --> 01:53:21,210
Thank you.

1487
01:53:21,410 --> 01:53:22,250
Just a few questions.

1488
01:53:22,510 --> 01:53:23,650
And again, these, I apologize.

1489
01:53:23,850 --> 01:53:24,930
I didn't send these in advance.

1490
01:53:25,730 --> 01:53:30,790
So can you indulge me a little bit and give us a little bit of overview on the other four proposals.

1491
01:53:30,790 --> 01:53:33,610
You received cost variation between four proposals.

1492
01:53:35,010 --> 01:53:36,350
I saw the report mentioned.

1493
01:53:37,550 --> 01:53:38,590
Excuse me.

1494
01:53:38,690 --> 01:53:39,790
You have qualifications, etc.

1495
01:53:39,850 --> 01:53:42,650
But just kind of the high points about like the others.

1496
01:53:42,830 --> 01:53:43,070
Sure.

1497
01:53:43,770 --> 01:53:46,590
We reached out to some pretty large engineering firms.

1498
01:53:47,250 --> 01:53:51,030
Most people in this room have probably heard of at least two of the four.

1499
01:53:51,670 --> 01:53:56,230
We did receive two of them came in very similar and cost to Burns and McDonald's.

1500
01:53:56,630 --> 01:53:59,890
So, one of the other competitors was right there, a little bit more expensive than Burns

1501
01:53:59,890 --> 01:54:01,250
and McDonald's.

1502
01:54:01,430 --> 01:54:03,870
Two of the other ones came in a little bit under.

1503
01:54:03,970 --> 01:54:09,230
They were closer to 100,000, but they were much smaller companies and their experience.

1504
01:54:09,230 --> 01:54:13,170
they haven't had a lot of like EPC contracting experience boots on the ground.

1505
01:54:13,650 --> 01:54:19,190
So this first step is so important to get to get right in order to have a successful future

1506
01:54:19,190 --> 01:54:23,130
project that it was really important to make sure we're picking the best vendor.

1507
01:54:23,830 --> 01:54:26,890
You know, and then initial stages to set us up for success down the road.

1508
01:54:27,310 --> 01:54:30,310
So that was kind of what went into the selection of Burns and McDonald.

1509
01:54:31,730 --> 01:54:35,550
And then we're also approaching this from what you were saying.

1510
01:54:35,870 --> 01:54:37,610
You said to set this up for a future project.

1511
01:54:37,610 --> 01:54:40,310
but this, the feasibility study might come back

1512
01:54:40,310 --> 01:54:42,490
and say that, you know, this is a dud.

1513
01:54:43,090 --> 01:54:45,190
Let's keep those permits, let's keep this exactly

1514
01:54:45,190 --> 01:54:47,010
as it is and we're not gonna, you know,

1515
01:54:47,010 --> 01:54:48,310
we're not gonna repower it, you know,

1516
01:54:48,470 --> 01:54:50,850
it does what it does and the feasibility study says

1517
01:54:51,330 --> 01:54:53,150
it's off the charts expensive, right?

1518
01:54:53,170 --> 01:54:55,270
And like that's it, that is a viable potential outcome

1519
01:54:55,270 --> 01:54:57,790
of said study.

1520
01:54:58,050 --> 01:54:59,530
Sure, yeah, I mean, they're really looking,

1521
01:55:24,280 --> 01:55:29,980
I want to make sure that if the city does come back and say, okay, for our

1522
01:55:29,980 --> 01:55:33,200
100 million dollars, you can do X, Y, and Z, right?

1523
01:55:33,420 --> 01:55:35,040
Let's bond out a hundred million dollars

1524
01:55:35,040 --> 01:55:37,300
and bake that into rates and we need to do it

1525
01:55:37,300 --> 01:55:38,980
because we need to plan for reliability

1526
01:55:38,980 --> 01:55:44,220
or we need to plan for whatever, right?

1527
01:55:44,760 --> 01:55:46,720
Then there's a true policy question

1528
01:55:46,720 --> 01:55:49,860
of is that the right thing to do right now

1529
01:55:49,860 --> 01:55:53,900
when we are in the midst of what I would call a little bit

1530
01:55:53,900 --> 01:55:55,240
of, not trying to be hyperbolic,

1531
01:55:55,780 --> 01:55:59,960
but I have the storm of rate increases in everything else, right?

1532
01:55:59,960 --> 01:56:04,640
things. Since I've been on the board, I think it was 2011, literally since the day I got

1533
01:56:04,640 --> 01:56:11,780
on the board, we've been talking about these two things. It's been every general manager,

1534
01:56:12,980 --> 01:56:19,700
every power supply side since then for 14 years, 15 years. It's been the dream to do this.

1535
01:56:21,560 --> 01:56:27,400
And so at some point, the question always becomes like, you know, we would love to do something here,

1536
01:56:27,400 --> 01:56:29,700
But do we really have to do something here?

1537
01:56:31,040 --> 01:56:33,500
That's my really kind of high-level question.

1538
01:56:34,480 --> 01:56:35,460
I don't know, it's more esoteric.

1539
01:56:35,780 --> 01:56:35,880
I don't know.

1540
01:56:35,980 --> 01:56:39,580
I'll attempt to answer this as my deep so first and foremost,

1541
01:56:39,780 --> 01:56:43,680
we would go after a grant funding, any sort of,

1542
01:56:43,680 --> 01:56:44,640
forget the below.

1543
01:56:44,840 --> 01:56:48,060
There's a lot on the table for all the new innovative

1544
01:56:48,060 --> 01:56:49,020
type of technologies.

1545
01:56:49,440 --> 01:56:53,380
We do have the Assistant Secretary of Energy coming out next week

1546
01:56:53,380 --> 01:56:55,100
and these are kind of the things that we're pointing out.

1547
01:56:55,180 --> 01:56:56,120
We are looking for funding.

1548
01:56:56,120 --> 01:57:02,120
We're looking for options. I don't want to do massive rate increases or adjustments, so everything would be on the tables

1549
01:57:02,120 --> 01:57:08,520
So after the feasibility study say they give us some cost and if estimates we would go out to seek that funding. That's first and foremost

1550
01:57:08,520 --> 01:57:16,620
I'm confident that we'll get a good amount of funding depending on if it's if we would call it the reliability power project right and

1551
01:57:16,620 --> 01:57:24,780
And then obviously depending on the technology and if it's base load and what your needs are we're also the conduit what keeps other California on with our Magnolia power project

1552
01:57:24,780 --> 01:57:29,440
right this is a reason we have the media industry still here, but that's a really good question

1553
01:57:29,440 --> 01:57:34,760
that I just want to rest assured we would first look at every financing option before we

1554
01:57:34,760 --> 01:57:38,940
really go to the rate portion. It's fair and I mean the credits are the credits are worth a lot of money

1555
01:57:38,940 --> 01:57:45,180
right like it's a ton of money that we continue to rack up all the time. In a couple more small

1556
01:57:45,180 --> 01:57:48,840
questions and I'm pretty sure the board indulging me this would potentially could it be a scap

1557
01:57:48,840 --> 01:57:53,560
a project to where we had participation from other folks and it wouldn't just be us on the hook.

1558
01:57:53,560 --> 01:58:00,280
Great question that has been brought up where it would not be on our books, would not be on our bond rating, and we have looked at that.

1559
01:58:01,280 --> 01:58:07,000
That would be a good financing source, and others are interested in potentially something, so that is something on the table.

1560
01:58:07,120 --> 01:58:08,420
Yeah, the transmission exists.

1561
01:58:09,760 --> 01:58:18,380
And then you mentioned cost estimates. The slide and the report didn't mention that they would provide construction cost estimates, but would they be providing that?

1562
01:58:18,380 --> 01:58:19,060
Yes, correct.

1563
01:58:19,160 --> 01:58:23,180
That's included in the construction cost estimate for each of those different technologies.

1564
01:58:23,180 --> 01:58:24,820
Okay and

1565
01:58:27,960 --> 01:58:32,840
thank you, thank you, we can always come back to you.

1566
01:58:33,140 --> 01:58:34,480
Yeah, I try not to, thank you, thank you.

1567
01:58:34,940 --> 01:58:38,260
I appreciate, first of all, the presentation, I was well put together and well presented.

1568
01:58:38,500 --> 01:58:38,800
Thank you.

1569
01:58:39,100 --> 01:58:41,060
And again, I appreciate you numbered the slides.

1570
01:58:42,320 --> 01:58:42,920
It saves time.

1571
01:58:43,560 --> 01:58:49,740
In the sense of the issue here on the repowering, this is not repairing alternatives for this location.

1572
01:58:50,660 --> 01:58:55,660
And what is the study also going to look at potential combinations of technology

1573
01:58:56,780 --> 01:59:01,220
including potentially two plants, you know, that one would be more environmental

1574
01:59:01,720 --> 01:59:06,700
more of maybe a test bed for lack of a better statement and a more

1575
01:59:06,700 --> 01:59:10,640
traditional. I mean, I know what you need to get to base load reliability. So

1576
01:59:10,640 --> 01:59:13,780
would include those. Yeah, that's correct. There was options there were looking

1577
01:59:13,780 --> 01:59:17,340
out with like a simple cycle turban with batteries or, you know, different

1578
01:59:17,340 --> 01:59:23,320
combinations. One other thing that I didn't mention in that study, but all of the

1579
01:59:23,320 --> 01:59:28,200
last-fired generation that they're looking at is slated to be hydrogen ready, so, you know,

1580
01:59:28,280 --> 01:59:32,720
they are looking at technologies, you know, looking to the future to hopefully eventually,

1581
01:59:32,740 --> 01:59:35,760
you know, convert those to hydrogen, so that would be included as well.

1582
01:59:35,940 --> 01:59:40,900
But they are looking at combinations of the different technologies, like I mentioned, they specifically

1583
01:59:40,900 --> 01:59:44,740
called out this simple cycle with batteries, because that's a configuration that's been installed

1584
01:59:44,740 --> 01:59:45,480
at other sites.

1585
01:59:46,140 --> 01:59:50,680
And I appreciate trying to get this done before it goes into the IRP, and you answered the question

1586
01:59:50,680 --> 01:59:55,240
I was going to ask, in the sense of the IRP process, and I know that's not what run point

1587
01:59:55,240 --> 01:59:59,980
here for, but just to mention, you know, this is something that could have been protected.

1588
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:05,540
Outside that we could participate in for LA water and power. They would be in the bouncing authority or

1589
02:00:05,540 --> 02:00:13,600
Glendale per Pasadena. Especially since we just went through the GRGC report and boy, someone else could actually have it on their

1590
02:00:13,600 --> 02:00:16,920
books because I assume we have all of Magnolia on our books for GRGR.

1591
02:00:17,000 --> 02:00:24,880
We do for greenhouse gas, but it is on our books. So that's why you see the number. So hi, but there is a small portion that's us, but we do have to report all of it.

1592
02:00:24,880 --> 02:00:30,460
Secondly, with the Integrated Resources Plan, we are currently working with a California Energy Commission.

1593
02:00:30,700 --> 02:00:33,760
They're putting in some limitations on the resources you can add.

1594
02:00:34,180 --> 02:00:38,240
We're lucky that we're innovative last time that we could still include some of those types of resources.

1595
02:00:38,500 --> 02:00:43,840
I will say they're pushing to exclude hydroelectric new resources and new nuclear resources.

1596
02:00:44,300 --> 02:00:48,660
So we are, those are the two viable technologies are actually here and work.

1597
02:00:48,880 --> 02:00:50,080
So that's a big challenge.

1598
02:00:50,080 --> 02:00:54,140
But this would really help us too because it helps fill the gaps with the limitations

1599
02:00:54,140 --> 02:00:55,920
but with the California Energy Commission.

1600
02:00:56,220 --> 02:00:57,600
So the timing is vital.

1601
02:00:58,540 --> 02:01:00,180
We just are a few and out.

1602
02:01:00,780 --> 02:01:06,160
And the guidelines right now have some major exclusions that really wouldn't work for any utility

1603
02:01:06,160 --> 02:01:06,700
in the state.

1604
02:01:07,200 --> 02:01:09,200
So we're pushing against that but this would really help.

1605
02:01:09,320 --> 02:01:10,380
So thank you.

1606
02:01:10,980 --> 02:01:14,200
And just small thing that I didn't have a chance to send it in before either because

1607
02:01:14,200 --> 02:01:15,320
I only looked at this today.

1608
02:01:15,840 --> 02:01:18,280
But in the actual draft agreement that was attached,

1609
02:01:19,480 --> 02:01:23,200
There's a little, it's mentioned, you know, Burns of McDonald, but it's also mentioned

1610
02:01:24,000 --> 02:01:26,900
as 19, or excuse me, 1898 in company.

1611
02:01:28,280 --> 02:01:32,560
So from a point of view of the contract, it seems like it needs to be consistent one way

1612
02:01:32,560 --> 02:01:33,100
or the other.

1613
02:01:33,640 --> 02:01:36,540
Yeah, we worked with our legal with Chris on that.

1614
02:01:36,540 --> 02:01:43,640
So there, the 1898 in Cove is a subsidy of Burns of McDonald, but the actual company that

1615
02:01:43,640 --> 02:01:47,820
we would be executing the agreement with is Burns of McDonald, Western and Enterprises

1616
02:01:47,820 --> 02:02:07,440
Yeah, you might want to do when we're scan of this because I found the 1898 in company not only on the email address, which is fine, but further down in the contract and then the only other knit I found on section 11.3 looks like two sections got merged together if you look at that.

1617
02:02:07,620 --> 02:02:09,420
Okay, we'll take a look at formatting here.

1618
02:02:09,680 --> 02:02:09,920
Thank you.

1619
02:02:11,660 --> 02:02:12,140
Yep.

1620
02:02:12,540 --> 02:02:13,020
Sorry, thank you.

1621
02:02:13,100 --> 02:02:13,960
It came back to me.

1622
02:02:14,860 --> 02:02:15,960
How long for the study to be completed?

1623
02:02:17,400 --> 02:02:21,120
So, the original scope was about six months to complete the study.

1624
02:02:21,600 --> 02:02:26,620
We're pushing on them to try to tighten that timeline up, but there is quite a bit of

1625
02:02:26,620 --> 02:02:27,340
work for them there.

1626
02:02:27,900 --> 02:02:32,600
So, it should be done this fiscal year for sure, but we're pushing to get it done by the

1627
02:02:32,600 --> 02:02:33,200
end of the year.

1628
02:02:33,560 --> 02:02:38,220
Okay, so that leaves into the second question is that the PSA listing had 2.75 million in it.

1629
02:02:39,120 --> 02:02:40,840
Sorry, that was going to be the harder question.

1630
02:02:40,840 --> 02:02:43,300
So that is also including the other studies.

1631
02:02:43,840 --> 02:02:46,560
So we all set a separate light on for EDM and EIM.

1632
02:02:46,560 --> 02:02:50,320
I am just pointing out that we are going to be doing separate studies for that as well.

1633
02:02:51,340 --> 02:02:55,480
So the reason that wasn't expected before is where I moved to but now we're actually moving

1634
02:02:55,480 --> 02:02:56,080
on everything.

1635
02:02:56,320 --> 02:02:59,640
We hired the appropriate staff and I want to give a shout out to Sean because he just got promoted

1636
02:02:59,640 --> 02:03:01,740
to power production manager, which is well deserved.

1637
02:03:02,440 --> 02:03:07,220
So we are probably going to be spending a close to that this year, which is never as really

1638
02:03:07,220 --> 02:03:10,780
but it's because of what's happening in our campus,

1639
02:03:11,140 --> 02:03:13,160
reliability, funded state mandates,

1640
02:03:13,640 --> 02:03:17,240
and even the IRP, we may go above and beyond what it's requested.

1641
02:03:17,460 --> 02:03:19,140
It may be close to $1 million this year

1642
02:03:19,140 --> 02:03:21,280
because we're the lot more additions added

1643
02:03:21,280 --> 02:03:23,600
in about six more bills that we have to comply with.

1644
02:03:24,340 --> 02:03:25,800
So that is kind of where we stand

1645
02:03:25,800 --> 02:03:27,300
and it's kind of you put the number in

1646
02:03:27,300 --> 02:03:28,960
because they just don't know compliance files

1647
02:03:28,960 --> 02:03:31,520
where we're gonna go, but then I'll probably get eight enough,

1648
02:03:31,700 --> 02:03:32,180
quite quickly.

1649
02:03:34,820 --> 02:03:44,100
Thank you. Okay. Are there the only question I had was, do we not have electrical sources

1650
02:03:44,100 --> 02:03:51,900
that were obligated to take that this would sort of be contrary to?

1651
02:03:54,220 --> 02:03:55,320
So I will highlight

1652
02:03:55,320 --> 02:03:59,580
for reliability. We don't really have a lot of options here except the internet and power

1653
02:03:59,580 --> 02:04:05,140
project in Utah that was recently built. We are looking at only solar plus

1654
02:04:05,140 --> 02:04:08,680
storage or wind plus storage for projects going forward. Those are fewer

1655
02:04:08,680 --> 02:04:14,040
far between in the terms and conditions are not fair to our repairs. Third, there

1656
02:04:14,040 --> 02:04:18,140
are some laws out there about carbon, et cetera, but there are options for

1657
02:04:18,140 --> 02:04:21,780
reliability as well. And we've already been reached out by the California Energy

1658
02:04:21,780 --> 02:04:25,900
Commission and others as being a location for reliability resources.

1659
02:04:29,130 --> 02:04:30,450
Yeah, I was talking

1660
02:04:30,450 --> 02:04:36,830
more about. You build it and then you may not even need to run it because you already

1661
02:04:36,830 --> 02:04:39,730
have to buy electricity from other sources.

1662
02:04:40,070 --> 02:04:44,890
So, so thank you. There's not enough. So, with the load increases happening with SB 35

1663
02:04:44,890 --> 02:04:50,510
and SB 79, as of today with all our contracts side, sign we're meeting the obligations

1664
02:04:50,510 --> 02:04:52,150
for today. So, this would give us all the...

1665
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:26,180
Use those. They're just as he mentioned his Hoover, Palo Verde, Titan, and a couple of solar projects. The solar projects are 32% capacity factor, but currently they would not limit the run of this, but also we don't have to run it a full steam, right? And Magnolia, we've been running quite consistently before the heat wave and minimum levels. So we're looking at optionality. There are two where you don't have to run it at 100 megawatts. Maybe you just run it at 25. So that is all on the table.

1666
02:05:26,180 --> 02:05:26,920
Okay.

1667
02:05:29,580 --> 02:05:29,900
Yes.

1668
02:05:30,820 --> 02:05:33,680
Tell me if you agree with this or not, it might help out a little bit here.

1669
02:05:33,900 --> 02:05:38,960
You need so much base load generation capacity in the basin to have reliability and

1670
02:05:38,960 --> 02:05:43,000
case something goes off that's coming in on a transmission line from a P.P. or elsewhere.

1671
02:05:43,500 --> 02:05:47,780
It's a system of certain minimum that we have to contribute to the bouncing authority.

1672
02:05:48,420 --> 02:05:49,680
And so we're at the minimum right now.

1673
02:05:49,840 --> 02:05:50,100
Yes.

1674
02:05:50,360 --> 02:05:51,140
We're a bare minimum.

1675
02:05:51,140 --> 02:06:00,640
And if we were joined the California Independence System Operator, because our balancing authority did, we would have resource advocacy requirements, local resource requirements.

1676
02:06:01,320 --> 02:06:05,020
And if you buy those, you're looking at hundreds of millions of dollars over a few years.

1677
02:06:05,440 --> 02:06:08,480
If you build it, probably tens of millions over the life of the project.

1678
02:06:09,040 --> 02:06:11,120
Having done this at a couple of utilities.

1679
02:06:12,240 --> 02:06:17,600
We're looking at this because it is going to be the most cost efficient, but also the islanding piece.

1680
02:06:17,600 --> 02:06:21,520
also what if there's a earthquake, we really have to be prepared for that and keep the businesses

1681
02:06:22,040 --> 02:06:27,180
here. And that's what some of the calories so money would go for for looking at e-damp and all that

1682
02:06:27,180 --> 02:06:31,760
and doing a study if I'm not mistaken to be able to figure it out all out with a resource adequacy

1683
02:06:31,760 --> 02:06:36,760
which I can tell you is very expensive. Yep, and you know from when I was here to now it's

1684
02:06:36,760 --> 02:06:40,840
probably about 10 old increase for the same heck of a lot. So that is true.

1685
02:06:47,140 --> 02:06:47,580
That's a whole

1686
02:06:47,580 --> 02:06:49,320
motion to be entertained.

1687
02:06:57,240 --> 02:06:58,340
So moved.

1688
02:06:59,060 --> 02:07:01,160
How are we? We have a motion to approve.

1689
02:07:02,460 --> 02:07:04,900
All second. Okay. We have a motion in a second.

1690
02:07:05,960 --> 02:07:08,600
Can we get the vote please? Yes. Mr.

1691
02:07:08,680 --> 02:07:11,900
Luddy. Yes. Mr. Cherry. Yes.

1692
02:07:12,740 --> 02:07:17,260
Mr. Altman. Yes. Mr. Eskondar. Yes.

1693
02:07:18,340 --> 02:07:20,480
Mr. Malaw is not here.

1694
02:07:25,170 --> 02:07:26,610
Mr. Nielsen. Yes.

1695
02:07:27,310 --> 02:07:35,770
Mr. Smith. Yes. Motion carries. Okay. Wonderful. Thank you. Thank you.

1696
02:07:40,430 --> 02:07:53,910
Okay. Do you want to continue on with information from staff? We have one item for communications and outreach update. I will add it be five minutes. So if you're all okay with that, we would like to proceed. Thank you. Okay.

1697
02:07:53,910 --> 02:07:59,010
Okay, just somebody want to let Mr. Milatt know if he's still here that he can come back in.

1698
02:08:01,350 --> 02:08:01,530
Welcome.

1699
02:08:01,950 --> 02:08:02,030
Hi.

1700
02:08:02,710 --> 02:08:03,090
Thank you.

1701
02:08:03,210 --> 02:08:04,570
Our Munkanian marketing manager.

1702
02:08:06,090 --> 02:08:07,650
Could you be, you know, be four members?

1703
02:08:07,890 --> 02:08:09,150
I'm going to five minutes.

1704
02:08:09,330 --> 02:08:10,870
I want to give you actually two things.

1705
02:08:11,090 --> 02:08:15,530
One is a quick update on our outreach in the community and where we are today.

1706
02:08:16,090 --> 02:08:21,070
And also a quick overview of our last survey we did with our business customers.

1707
02:08:21,570 --> 02:08:22,910
So let's jump into it.

1708
02:08:22,910 --> 02:08:26,390
So first on our outreach with the community, so I was here about three months ago, we mentioned

1709
02:08:26,390 --> 02:08:30,410
and talked about having steady growth, and it was really important for us not just to have

1710
02:08:30,410 --> 02:08:34,250
numbers that are growing, but also having greater engagement with the community, I'm happy to say

1711
02:08:34,250 --> 02:08:39,510
next slide please. I'm happy to say. I'm happy to say. I'm happy to say.

1712
02:08:39,510 --> 02:08:40,090
As if Armando.

1713
02:08:42,190 --> 02:08:49,860
There we go. Okay, sorry about that. So as you can see, we've grown our audience

1714
02:08:49,860 --> 02:08:52,040
at 4.5%, I'm going to show it on the next slide.

1715
02:08:52,260 --> 02:08:54,140
We've also grown our engagement, and that was really our goal.

1716
02:08:54,460 --> 02:08:55,960
So we're setting, we're setting growing,

1717
02:08:56,080 --> 02:08:58,420
and that's the goal, and we're achieving those goals.

1718
02:08:58,960 --> 02:09:01,240
Still very proud of our email performance here.

1719
02:09:01,500 --> 02:09:02,260
As you can see in this regard,

1720
02:09:02,380 --> 02:09:04,620
about just 34%, we're almost double that.

1721
02:09:05,560 --> 02:09:07,180
So our audience in Burbank is very engaged,

1722
02:09:08,040 --> 02:09:09,060
and we're not only maintaining that,

1723
02:09:09,180 --> 02:09:10,260
we're slowly still growing that.

1724
02:09:10,380 --> 02:09:13,700
I mean, honestly getting that number up in your hire will be not that easy,

1725
02:09:13,920 --> 02:09:16,500
but we're definitely going to wish for the moon.

1726
02:09:17,580 --> 02:09:19,220
So this is the slide I was telling you about

1727
02:09:19,220 --> 02:09:23,800
In terms of growth across our different channels, our star performers still linked in, we're

1728
02:09:23,800 --> 02:09:26,660
seeing a lot of activity on that, people really get engaged with LinkedIn.

1729
02:09:27,160 --> 02:09:30,440
A lot has to do with what we highlight on LinkedIn, I mean, thanks to a lot of people in

1730
02:09:30,440 --> 02:09:31,220
this room, indeed.

1731
02:09:31,820 --> 02:09:34,820
But it's a lot of good content out there, I'm really just want to leverage that information

1732
02:09:34,820 --> 02:09:38,960
that people get engaged with us, not just from within Burbank, it's also outside of the

1733
02:09:38,960 --> 02:09:43,100
Burbank, that's the exciting part, you've seen a lot of people from other places looking

1734
02:09:43,100 --> 02:09:48,100
and commenting and telling us the commenting on the things that are happening in Burbank with

1735
02:09:48,100 --> 02:09:52,860
projects and so forth. We've also even seen some growth across the channels that it wasn't really expecting.

1736
02:09:53,000 --> 02:09:55,560
One was being X, just I've mentioned before.

1737
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:12,960
It's a very not a clean place to be, but we definitely do our best to engage people on X, and again, steady growth, on Instagram and Facebook, even though it's kind of fading, but we still see people coming out of it.

1738
02:10:13,360 --> 02:10:17,260
But I guess at the main point is that we're having that steady positive growth on our engagement.

1739
02:10:20,330 --> 02:10:25,010
What's our plan for the next three months before you see me again? Well, we're going to continue with what we're doing.

1740
02:10:26,350 --> 02:10:31,390
Obviously we know about the outer reports that's pretty big on our list, and that's something we're going to be addressing very quickly.

1741
02:10:31,390 --> 02:10:33,550
with some of the technology we're bringing online.

1742
02:10:34,090 --> 02:10:35,950
We also want to keep featuring the achievement.

1743
02:10:36,010 --> 02:10:37,130
That's what people like to see.

1744
02:10:37,230 --> 02:10:38,370
They like to see what we're doing,

1745
02:10:38,490 --> 02:10:39,510
we're like to see how we're contributing

1746
02:10:39,510 --> 02:10:40,290
to the community.

1747
02:10:40,970 --> 02:10:43,510
It's not about another ad about let's say,

1748
02:10:43,610 --> 02:10:44,550
maybe we give it a rebate.

1749
02:10:44,670 --> 02:10:45,290
It's very important.

1750
02:10:45,710 --> 02:10:47,510
But people want to see what we're doing for the community.

1751
02:10:47,730 --> 02:10:49,850
So we're going to continue putting up the content.

1752
02:10:49,990 --> 02:10:51,390
The last one, they're leading a leadership

1753
02:10:51,390 --> 02:10:52,490
and milestone content.

1754
02:10:52,710 --> 02:10:54,910
That's really one of the things that we want to do.

1755
02:10:54,950 --> 02:10:56,370
So we do a lot of great projects.

1756
02:10:56,690 --> 02:10:58,850
But we want to just talk about the beginning and the ending.

1757
02:10:58,970 --> 02:11:01,010
You want to talk about what happens in between,

1758
02:11:01,010 --> 02:11:02,370
because people are very interested

1759
02:11:02,370 --> 02:11:03,810
to see where projects are progressing.

1760
02:11:04,770 --> 02:11:06,030
So with that, I'm done with this one.

1761
02:11:06,090 --> 02:11:06,630
Any questions?

1762
02:11:08,990 --> 02:11:09,250
Right.

1763
02:11:10,610 --> 02:11:11,110
One more.

1764
02:11:11,650 --> 02:11:12,490
Really quick.

1765
02:11:13,830 --> 02:11:15,370
So we did a survey.

1766
02:11:15,770 --> 02:11:17,750
We done a survey both on a business side

1767
02:11:17,750 --> 02:11:18,930
and residential side.

1768
02:11:19,250 --> 02:11:20,830
Business was completed in August.

1769
02:11:21,110 --> 02:11:22,310
The residential one is still continuing.

1770
02:11:22,510 --> 02:11:25,270
So I want to give a quick overview of the results

1771
02:11:25,270 --> 02:11:26,210
from the business side.

1772
02:11:27,110 --> 02:11:28,790
So we did a survey ourselves in Burbank,

1773
02:11:28,970 --> 02:11:31,810
so we could benchmark ourselves against other utilities

1774
02:11:31,810 --> 02:11:38,130
in California. A company called Great Blue Research did the California part of the research, so they

1775
02:11:38,130 --> 02:11:44,590
reached out to about 500 respondents, excuse me, and we reached out about 90 responses, and they

1776
02:11:44,590 --> 02:11:47,950
combined the two of them to give you some of the overview of how Burbank benchmarks.

1777
02:11:50,130 --> 02:11:50,750
The main number,

1778
02:11:50,850 --> 02:11:55,990
I want to point out here is where the number hit the bottom. Okay, so across the state,

1779
02:12:00,530 --> 02:12:01,550
this is all

1780
02:12:01,550 --> 02:12:05,610
3%, if I include the investor ones, it's down to about 50%.

1781
02:12:05,610 --> 02:12:08,310
Okay, so that's kind of the higher number.

1782
02:12:08,890 --> 02:12:10,610
And as you can see, we're at 70.6.

1783
02:12:10,750 --> 02:12:11,970
The numbers actually higher.

1784
02:12:12,570 --> 02:12:14,410
The 70.6 represents...

1785
02:12:14,410 --> 02:12:14,670
It

1786
02:12:17,900 --> 02:12:20,100
was the beginning of four or five, so that's the highest rating.

1787
02:12:20,180 --> 02:12:20,780
Most satisfied.

1788
02:12:21,580 --> 02:12:25,040
So that's really something that we should be proud of as a utility,

1789
02:12:25,800 --> 02:12:29,580
that our customers see us in a much higher level than the rest of the state.

1790
02:12:29,920 --> 02:12:33,680
We also have can see again the numbers in terms of as a valued partner

1791
02:12:33,680 --> 02:12:39,560
and also looking at as a community as our value as a community own utility.

1792
02:12:40,220 --> 02:12:43,400
And area we can build upon even though numbers are still pretty good.

1793
02:12:43,540 --> 02:12:47,140
I mean, well over 60% of people see us as a valued partner.

1794
02:12:47,640 --> 02:12:51,360
We want to also increase that number and get even closer to 100%.

1795
02:12:51,360 --> 02:12:53,680
So all of our customers can see us as a valued partner,

1796
02:12:54,040 --> 02:12:56,160
not just the provider of electricity and water.

1797
02:12:57,500 --> 02:12:58,280
We'll go to the next slide.

1798
02:12:58,740 --> 02:13:01,100
So on this slide, the blue shows where we are head,

1799
02:13:01,100 --> 02:13:07,240
the yellow shows areas we can work on. So again, looking at the numbers on top, you can see.

1800
02:13:07,240 --> 02:13:11,000
Sorry, I'm going to point out 12

1801
02:13:14,040 --> 02:13:19,120
.5 points ahead on the race of the rest of the utilities in

1802
02:13:19,120 --> 02:13:23,120
a state. So that's really great. Again, great achievement. The two yellows you see,

1803
02:13:23,220 --> 02:13:26,320
well, the outage one we know about that, we're working on that. It's already mentioned,

1804
02:13:26,600 --> 02:13:29,880
so hopefully we're bringing our outage reporting online in a month or so, a couple of months.

1805
02:13:29,940 --> 02:13:34,520
That's going to address that part of it. The one at the bottom of the water quality is a strange one.

1806
02:13:34,520 --> 02:13:39,900
a lot of customers skip that question or just put an A. So it's kind of skewed the number,

1807
02:13:39,960 --> 02:13:44,240
as you can see, the difference is very low. It's about 3.0 point something. So I suspect that number

1808
02:13:44,240 --> 02:13:48,720
is not really accurate. Again, surveys do contain some error sometimes, not error caused by

1809
02:13:48,720 --> 02:13:53,660
LSBET, just to where people respond to it. So that number is probably equal with the rest of the state.

1810
02:13:54,020 --> 02:13:57,780
But again, I want to report to you the actual numbers we received. So we're going to investigate that.

1811
02:13:57,780 --> 02:13:58,840
I'm looking at that a little further.

1812
02:14:01,060 --> 02:14:03,300
Last but not least, we asked questions about sustainability,

1813
02:14:03,300 --> 02:14:10,480
and added two to out there. Again, Burbank is ahead. Overall, you can see 60.8% of our respondents

1814
02:14:10,480 --> 02:14:16,600
are very, they see environmental sustainability priorities is very important. The state is, you

1815
02:14:16,600 --> 02:14:21,740
know, 50 plus numbers. So again, Burbank is ahead on that. Again, there's obviously an opportunity

1816
02:14:21,740 --> 02:14:25,840
to keep building on this and building awareness with the community about the projects that are working

1817
02:14:25,840 --> 02:14:28,320
on and we intend to do that.

1818
02:14:28,600 --> 02:14:29,840
With that, I'm done.

1819
02:14:30,800 --> 02:14:31,400
I think that was my moment.

1820
02:14:32,080 --> 02:14:32,860
Okay, any questions?

1821
02:14:34,420 --> 02:14:34,560
No.

1822
02:14:34,920 --> 02:14:35,240
All right.

1823
02:14:35,860 --> 02:14:36,680
Thank you very much.

1824
02:14:38,520 --> 02:14:38,660
Okay.

1825
02:14:39,060 --> 02:14:41,880
Any other comments or requests from board members?

1826
02:14:44,150 --> 02:14:44,710
Oh, yes.

1827
02:14:44,890 --> 02:14:45,210
Yeah.

1828
02:14:45,350 --> 02:14:53,250
I would like to request that we agendize the topic of rates, the issue that the customer came

1829
02:14:53,250 --> 02:14:59,910
to talk about and how we can better communicate these great increases to our customers, particularly.

1830
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:07,280
President General Ghostemers I think it would be worthwhile to have a response to her and others who might have similar concerns.

1831
02:15:08,220 --> 02:15:09,700
Okay. Thank you.

1832
02:15:09,720 --> 02:15:15,580
Okay, you know, just add to that to what we said. Any get an email but we have a detailed response to your customer, but that's great and I agree.

1833
02:15:17,000 --> 02:15:18,680
Okay, can I just ask for clarification?

1834
02:15:19,240 --> 02:15:20,600
Has anybody have action video

1835
02:15:25,500 --> 02:15:28,140
or a website, all that was mentioned,

1836
02:15:33,510 --> 02:15:34,650
or ma'am can you in marketing manager?

1837
02:15:34,790 --> 02:15:39,550
I just wanted to bring what's attention on our website we have a read detailed video on other information about the

1838
02:15:39,550 --> 02:15:45,270
increase and how it looks on your bill. So the questions asked by the customer, they had

1839
02:15:45,270 --> 02:15:49,190
gone through our website, they were gotten the answers. So so I want to say it's out there.

1840
02:15:49,250 --> 02:15:53,170
I mean, you sent this out there on email and our social media as well. So again, we'll continue

1841
02:15:53,170 --> 02:15:57,130
with the outreach, but it is definitely out there for people to see. All right. Yeah.

1842
02:15:57,130 --> 02:16:01,650
Good night. I quickly sent your app there. I ask you totally different question, but it's on the

1843
02:16:01,650 --> 02:16:08,410
communication to the external world. It's all social media reported on what about web information.

1844
02:16:09,250 --> 02:16:13,650
on our website. I'm sorry. Yeah, the website, how many hits do we get? What are people looking at?

1845
02:16:13,650 --> 02:16:19,410
So we're still, since the web has still new and we're still fine-tuning on tweaking things so we're collecting data.

1846
02:16:19,610 --> 02:16:24,670
It's not enough to present yet. So I think towards end of the year, we'll be in that position to present you with the data.

1847
02:16:25,070 --> 02:16:30,470
But I can't tell you just initially looking at the numbers. We're about tenfold more traffic than before.

1848
02:16:30,950 --> 02:16:32,410
More traffic than before. Yeah.

1849
02:16:34,010 --> 02:16:36,310
Yeah, I just wanted to, I want to understand,

1850
02:16:36,910 --> 02:16:38,710
Mr. Altman, the request, just a little bit more.

1851
02:16:38,810 --> 02:16:42,370
Are you asking for an overview about the communication strategy

1852
02:16:42,370 --> 02:16:44,350
or are you asking for an overview about rate design?

1853
02:16:45,550 --> 02:16:47,750
No, I just like to see the communication strategy.

1854
02:16:48,370 --> 02:16:50,050
I think rate design is much more complex.

1855
02:16:50,470 --> 02:16:53,470
And really not the issue that I think she was getting at.

1856
02:16:53,630 --> 02:16:56,510
But I think there is probably going to be an increase in concern

1857
02:16:56,510 --> 02:16:57,710
as people start looking at their bills.

1858
02:16:57,890 --> 02:16:59,430
We've hit now, summer peak.

1859
02:16:59,430 --> 02:17:05,250
you know, the right increase came in and the winter. People didn't notice it then. That was part of

1860
02:17:05,830 --> 02:17:11,710
that was the strategy. Well, I want to say it was strategy, but that's why we're hearing this now

1861
02:17:13,010 --> 02:17:17,810
and it didn't go unnoticed by her, and I'm sure many other folks. So I would like to hear the

1862
02:17:17,810 --> 02:17:22,330
communication strategy, not the right design strategy. Okay, that's one of two. Okay, thank you. Thanks for

1863
02:17:23,310 --> 02:17:32,330
Okay, if that's it, then we will adjourn our next regular meeting is scheduled for Thursday, October 1st.

1864
02:17:33,510 --> 02:17:38,530
In person, here at the boardroom on the third floor of the BWP Ronnie Davis administration building.

1865
02:17:39,030 --> 02:17:39,830
Thank you. Have a good night.