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[0:04] Okay. Hi. Good evening. I would like to call to order the for bank water and power. Board meeting. It is 5 p.m. September 3rd.
[0:19] Members of the public may participate in the meeting in person or by telephone, to speak telephonically during oral communications period, please call 8182383627.
[0:32] Let's move on to the flag salute, please.
[0:36] You'll join me by standing up, which is right hand over your heart and begin.
[0:57] All right, thank you.
[0:58] Mr. Cassius, will you please call the roll?
[1:02] Yes.
[1:05] Mr. Oldman.
[1:07] President.
[1:08] Mr. Cherry.
[1:09] Here.
[1:10] Mr. Eskinder.
[1:11] Here.
[1:12] Mr. Luddy.
[1:14] Mr. Malot.
[1:15] Here.
[1:16] Mr. Nielsen.
[1:17] Here.
[1:18] And Mr. Smith.
[1:21] Okay, oral communications at this time City staff will announce participants present for public comment and then proceed to announce any collars in real time to the board.
[1:31] Each speaker will have a maximum of three minutes on any matter concerning the business of Burbank Water and Power.
[1:38] If you would like to participate in oral communications telephonically, please call 818-238-3627.
[1:45] Mr. Cassius, are there any public comment cards?
[1:49] Yes, we have two.
[1:50] First speaker, Mary Tierney?
[1:53] Okay.
[1:54] Welcome.
[1:55] Come on up.
[1:55] Yes, please.
[2:01] Hello, gentlemen.
[2:04] We love living in Burbank.
[2:06] It's a privilege.
[2:07] Everything is so well done here.
[2:10] And we understand that we may pay a little bit more
[2:14] for things and that things need to. Improvements need to be made and I know Burbank is
[2:21] I've heard it's very forward with trying to arrange alternate energy sources and so forth.
[2:29] But with the air conditioning really kicking up this past month we noticed a huge increase in our
[2:35] And so I hadn't looked at any of the rate changes from 2025 to 2026.
[2:42] And the big total of my bill prompted me to do that.
[2:46] And I noticed, I went online and looked at the website.
[2:49] I saw that a 10% increase.
[2:52] But my kilowatt hour is not 10%.
[2:56] It's like hundreds that I'm not good at math.
[3:00] But this is kind of, I brought my bills to illustrate.
[3:03] The tier one, just to keep it really simple, the first 300 kilowatt hours, and 2025 was 0.0294, which is almost 3 cents per kilowatt hour.
[3:16] Now, in 2026,
[3:20] that is 14.14, basically 14, 15 cents per kilowatt hour.
[3:30] So going from three cents to 15 cents is not 10%.
[3:35] And I thought, I'll go to the next meeting and ask,
[3:40] how do I square that?
[3:42] Because I don't think my math is that far off.
[3:50] That's my comment.
[3:51] We'll have responses afterwards.
[3:54] OK.
[3:54] Thank you very much for coming up.
[3:55] I appreciate your public comment.
[3:58] Thank you.
[3:58] Thank you for hearing me.
[3:59] Are you finished?
[4:00] Yes.
[4:01] OK.
[4:01] Awesome.
[4:01] Thank you very much.
[4:02] do we have another speaker? Yes, Jeff Palmer. Okay.
[4:08] Welcome.
[4:12] Good afternoon. Jeff Palmer with Brightmove Energy. We're a design build
[4:16] electrical contracting firm, regionally based and specifically in Orange County. So near to
[4:23] Burbank. We've had the fortunate outcome to be tentatively awarded the design build contract
[4:31] for the public EV charging stations that are the sites are kind of TBD, but there'll be
[4:37] initial analysis, feasibility, and then I'll enter design and engineering, and then come
[4:43] out the other side with a functional accessible affordable and reliable charging network for
[4:50] both the community and also visitors and computers. And so I just want to on behalf of our team I
[4:58] I don't want to do what I was saying.
[5:00] Thank you for the opportunity, hopefully it's approved tonight, and we'll work hard on your behalf.
[5:07] And the outcome that we're really focused on is fast-forwarding to the charging experience for the community.
[5:15] Reliable charging stations that are working when they're supposed to transparent communications.
[5:21] So when a charger is either offline or the charging stations are full, making sure that information is real time.
[5:28] folks that are navigating kind of real-time charging options, we'll see that. And then there's
[5:35] also some advanced technologies that we can also pilot as well. So the grid modernization
[5:39] theme here, this is this is one asset, this is one avenue to pursue and we we appreciate the
[5:44] opportunity. Thank you. Okay, thank you very much. Do we have any other speakers? You know other
[5:51] cards and we have no colors okay.
[5:56] Let's see if there are no other colors and no one else
[6:00] present. We'll go ahead and declare a public comment period closed. Is there some board
[6:08] or staff responses? This is Monday, Sam. We're not going to talk today. General Manager for
[6:15] being quarter and power. Mary, thank you for bringing this to light. I think we can do a better
[6:20] job explaining what happened here, what it is is the line item previously was called the
[6:25] energy cost adjustment charge. And it only included any nominal increases in the energy,
[6:30] but we ended up just including it as a more of a base charge that was the change. So the group
[6:37] of funds at the end really went up about 13 to 14% for residential on average is 9.9%. But that line
[6:45] particular. One line went down significantly that went up to just correct the title with the actual rate.
[6:52] Overall, your rates should be closer to about 14% or so because the for residential is about that for
[6:57] commercials, about 6.7. I am also going to hand it off to Joseph Liddy Lillio or CEO and this is a
[7:04] fact for our costs of service studying to really make sure that all the things are in the correct
[7:09] budget. That was one thing. I noticed having worked at four other utilities are three other utilities.
[7:14] So, we modified that change, but overall, the increase was not that much.
[7:19] Yeah, thank you, Ms. Hammer.
[7:21] So, as Ms. Hammer mentioned, looking at the tier one, yes, that they go up more than, you know, the ten percent.
[7:30] However, if you look at the energy adjustment charge, e-cack, that went down significantly.
[7:35] I think that was 13. something since that went down to about three cents.
[7:40] So, you got to look at them in conjunction together.
[7:49] Okay. Yes. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you to our resident for coming in and speaking and
[7:58] Ms. Samra and Mr. Lillio. I did raise with you that I had seen some communication that
[8:05] was similar. Concerns from citizens, customers about the rate increase not being exactly
[8:12] 9.9 percent. Now, Ms. Samurai heard you cited that for residential customers, it's more like 13 or 14%.
[8:20] But it is the first time I've heard it. It doesn't surprise me too much, but I think that maybe this is, there's some confusion out there in the community.
[8:28] And I'm so glad that someone's coming in and raised it.
[8:32] I think this is the kind of communication that we have to have out there because the 9.9 percent is a very exact number.
[8:38] And people look at their bill and say, is it really, I'm going to multiply it by 9, you know, 9, 9%, and it, oh, no, that's not what it is and something's wrong.
[8:47] So I think it would be helpful to provide a range and also say what you just said, which is on average it's a bit more for residential, a little less for a commercial.
[8:58] And also this thing about the e-catch charge was confusing to a lot of people.
[9:02] So there may be opportunity, I know there's another rate increase coming and there may be an opportunity to really help spell this out for people so they don't, you know, a year from now we don't have more people coming say I heard it was going to be another 9.9% but that's not what I saw just my thoughts.
[9:17] So, well, just to add a caveat here, we did advertise and we did go through every single customer type here in the board meeting twice as well as the handout that was given to every bill insert walk through the different classifications and the increases the average is 9.9 for electric but for water is 14% across the board, it's just we have different tiers so we're definitely working on that messaging to make it really clear to our customers and also like to highlight right now besides rivers,
[9:47] We're still the most affordable and also by far the most reliable utility and Southern California F-9 anything south of PG&E so I'm really proud of that and it's really the right
[10:00] We need a lot of infrastructure and we're actually getting a lot done. And we had about 5% cost savings from grants alone. So thank you.
[10:09] Yes, Mr. Chair.
[10:11] Ms. Samurai, if someone comes to the board meeting, has questions? Where can they follow up, additionally?
[10:16] I would say the key, email myself. I'm on the website. So on deep dot, was it?
[10:20] I'm Samra at Burbank.
[10:23] Burbankgov.ca, God, what is it?
[10:24] Sorry, I worked at two new utilities.
[10:27] Okay, Burbank.ca.gov, sorry I have.
[10:29] I've worked out way to new utilities,
[10:31] so what do email addresses here?
[10:33] But we're on the website, we just go to BWP,
[10:36] and it'll say who are we, who is the team.
[10:38] My name is a first one up pops up.
[10:40] My cell phone is there too.
[10:41] It's 818-967-1997.
[10:45] I have that Omie 24-7.
[10:48] So if you send me a text or call me, I pick it up.
[10:50] more than happy to help. We are working on streamlining the messaging. We're just waiting
[10:54] or right now, we're in a election time. I don't really want to distract from that, so we'll
[11:00] post the developer.
[11:02] And I do want to thank also one of the customers coming to the board meeting here and addressing
[11:06] this issue as well. Thank you.
[11:09] It takes a lot to get up in front of folks and tell your story, so thank you very much.
[11:16] Okay, any other comments from staff responses?
[11:25] All right, Ms. Samurai, general manager report, please.
[11:33] I'm going to turn it on.
[11:34] So I'm on Deep Samurai General Manager.
[11:36] So first thing I want to do is introduce two new team members to the BWP team.
[11:40] We have Griseldah Delacruz and Mary Garibbean, Grappian.
[11:44] They're both in our HR team, so they help with disciplines training, safety.
[11:50] So, this is Mary and Gracelle does right there, so they both come from city HR, our municipal services department, so we're really lucky that we got them here.
[11:59] They've really been helping us out with a lot of our safety things, training things, so they also manage a little bit of safety as well.
[12:05] So, really happy to have them here.
[12:13] So, we'll deal with personnel matters, anything that deals with HR, and that these on relationship is great, since they used to work there, and they know all the ins and outs.
[12:20] So, thank you.
[12:22] Second, this is really important because it happened on August 11th.
[12:26] We did have a large outage in downtown affecting over 8,000 customers.
[12:32] So what happened there is the town substation.
[12:35] It's an older substation.
[12:36] Any time we do work on it, there are sometimes chances of an outage.
[12:40] We are looking to buy property down the line to rebuild this and enhance the town substation.
[12:45] It does need to be overhauled at some point.
[12:47] Hopefully the next 5 to 10 years depending on how much money we have in capital.
[12:51] We are aware of this. We are trying to do everything else. No, we could prepare or fix it, but we are going to experience these types of outages until a new substation can be built.
[13:02] We are looking at that as you all can imagine, it's hard to find new property in downtown Burbank.
[13:08] And it doesn't come cheap, right? So we're looking at tens and millions of dollars initially, so just for probably the buy out of property. So just want to give you that heads up.
[13:16] There's one property for sale. I won't give details, but it's way in excess of 10 million dollars
[13:21] So we do need to find a spot. We need to get in the queue for transformers and parts and then we are going to get to that
[13:26] That'll probably be part of our you know, you'll see our capital a project we come to the budget. So
[13:32] Is that a 4k v station?
[13:35] Yes, it is it's 4k v so part of the 4k v the 12 convert 12 k v convergent will require this to be
[13:41] Reconfigured or we actually need a new site and what when is that actually slated to be done?
[13:46] So, I will, so right now, it's not on the book's right yet.
[13:49] I'm gonna hand it to Riyadh.
[13:52] Riyadh, Slayman, Chief AGM.
[13:54] So, yeah, that area is sort of right in the middle of the hillside.
[13:59] Geographically, when you're converting, you want to make sure that you're converting
[14:02] and you have 12 KV on one side, so you could feed it.
[14:06] Unfortunately, that's right in the middle.
[14:07] It's not the oldest station, but it doesn't, you know, it doesn't have our current standards.
[14:12] And so we're thinking, as Monty mentioned, five to six to seven years, that area should be part of the area that would be converted to 12.
[14:20] Until then, we're trying to look for multiple ways to alleviate some of the issues that we are currently having.
[14:28] So that's just part of that. Again, this used to be a 24 or 25 year program. Now we've cut it down, you know, to hopefully under 10 years.
[14:42] So I was one of the folks that experienced that out of it, and it was generally what, yeah,
[14:47] it was generally like it was like 45 minutes.
[14:49] Like it wasn't terribly long, but communications and stuff about the outage and the cause
[14:55] and stuff like that on one side, because I hadn't really seen like enough, like here's what
[14:58] caused it and whatever else I saw.
[15:00] A little social geographic some folks back up and others not. Is this the same
[15:03] substation that we had the fault? Wow, earlier than the year. Yes. Okay. But we
[15:10] replaced the transformer at that substation. That was while we were replacing the
[15:15] transformer that that occurred. That occurred. Okay. So I guess the line of
[15:18] questioning, it's not for right now, and it's probably for at some point, but
[15:22] one question would be, how did we determine that purchasing another property to build
[15:26] of their substation is the best path forward, right?
[15:31] I'm not a huge fan of taking commercial or private real estate off the market for government
[15:36] use, so it's just not, it's a loss of economic activity in the community.
[15:40] From one side, the other is, you know, $10 million dollars to buy the property and build it
[15:44] versus hooking up some mobile, you know, substation for a little while and whatever.
[15:48] I guess overall, I would love to have that discussion here and kind of get that conversation
[15:52] about not going up, because we've had several conversations about this utility buying property lately,
[15:58] and I'm generally concerned about the use of the great-pairs money for some of these purchases
[16:03] of property when we're talking tens of millions of dollars of buying property. So that's one question,
[16:09] and then the other is what you made a statement about, we're going to experience these types of outages
[16:16] why and what can we do, what are the alternatives, what's the, what else, again, it may
[16:22] not be for tonight.
[16:23] This may be a larger conversation for later, but I guess I've never heard that type
[16:29] of statement in my, you know, 14 years that we're going to experience something like this
[16:32] regular.
[16:32] And I know that we've had several more over the course of the last month.
[16:35] And I'll say not regularly, but more than we've had in the past, although I'm real.
[16:40] And it'll be more, it's more of, on the 4KV specifically that area,
[16:49] it's, it's a lot more prone
[16:50] to these kind of outages than the 12KV and a current standard. Our current standards, you know,
[16:57] I think we've built that maybe 40, 50 years ago. It's been a while.
[17:02] Our current standard is takes into account a lot of these and we have a lot of processes in place that
[17:09] able us to shorten the outage or make it seamless.
[17:12] This one is just one of the older stations we can't really do much about it.
[17:16] And to put it up to our newest standard, I mean, it's kind of a costly way too much, but
[17:21] as well built a new station.
[17:23] Perhaps perhaps we should agendaise this for a future meeting when we can spend some time on it.
[17:28] And you can prepare it.
[17:29] Yeah, and the budget will have this discussion too.
[17:32] Okay.
[17:33] Is that right?
[17:35] Yeah.
[17:35] It sounds like it's a super important topic, and I mean, substitutions are we're talking,
[17:39] You know, tens and tens of millions of dollars in an investment that's a generational investment.
[17:42] So I think it's worth a very, very long conversation.
[17:47] I mean, hopefully a much longer conversation than we had about the water agreement with San Diego.
[17:51] All right.
[17:52] Multi-generational and we didn't talk a whole lot about it here.
[17:56] So then we did have another outage recently, too.
[18:00] And that was at an underground substation area of underground mines.
[18:04] So, I do when I lay any time we have underground mines, it is hard to pinpoint the outer just a confined space.
[18:10] You do have to energy energize the lines.
[18:12] When it's above ground, you can actually see the squirrel, you can see the mylar balloon.
[18:16] It's a little bit easier to work with, so that to take a little bit longer.
[18:20] But people were turned on mine and we did post everything on social media.
[18:24] We are working on text space, you know, letting customers know.
[18:27] not that there's an outage in the area. We're not going to be pin point that your house is out,
[18:31] but just there's an outage in the area. I wanted to let you know. We're on it. We're out there.
[18:35] We're trying to fix it. So I just want to let you know hopefully in the next couple of weeks or next month or so,
[18:39] we'll have some testing of that. And just last thing on the outage is going forward just like the last one we had.
[18:46] You guys are doing a root cause analysis and you'll bring that back to the word as well.
[18:49] You're finding things. So yeah. Yeah, thank you. So the next topic and I'll try to keep it
[18:54] already 520. So I will keep it brief. So we are housing the international operation sliders
[19:00] center slash international broadcasting center for the Olympics. So the Warner Brothers
[19:04] launch is ran just providing that space. So this is the largest event of his kind.
[19:10] We're a lot of broadcasters are coming. So this is going to be a lot. We're probably going to have
[19:13] an influx of 30,000 people at the high end. But day to day we're looking at least 24,000 broadcasters
[19:19] on site starting as early as 2027.
[19:22] So we are working closely with LA 28 to get everything set up.
[19:26] We do have funding through them,
[19:28] but also we're trying to close out some of the long term
[19:30] infrastructure improvements that we need
[19:32] and we'll start with that area as well.
[19:33] Most of it is already fully covered because it's the media
[19:35] district and we just went through major enhancements there.
[19:38] But also one of the things is that we are like a global center
[19:42] for media, but this also points us out
[19:44] to be a global center for reliability and our resources
[19:47] and affordability.
[19:48] So there will be increased activity. We'll try to put as much notice out there, especially near the
[19:53] Warner-Ramp Studios. We're looking at mobile subs, things like that. You'll see your budget.
[19:58] We already had some planned for.
[20:00] So we're looking at that very closely because we know it's a temporary issue, so but we will be closely engaged in the planning process.
[20:07] We work with the Games Energy Council. We meet every quarter and then each one of the HGMs has separate meetings too.
[20:13] And we're ready to welcome them.
[20:15] So the other thing too is next week, the Department of Energy Assistant Secretary Catherine Jeriza is coming here.
[20:21] She is a part of the Department of Energy Roadshow. They're showcasing one utility in California.
[20:28] and it happens to be burbank. And the reason we were selected is first of our relationship with DOE,
[20:33] but we also have two large grants from the federal government, possibly three in excess of
[20:39] $10 million that really utilizes their funds for reliability. So the 4KB-12KB conversion,
[20:45] hardening infrastructure, and I'm also including for the health side. That's about $3 million.
[20:50] And then for the other one, it's 5.1. And then we also had maybe about $4 million in IRA funding for
[20:55] of the RITC regional and tumultal transportation center.
[20:58] So collectively, the federal government has been a good partner.
[21:01] They will be out here.
[21:02] It will be the heads of the utilities from other utilities
[21:05] or participating in the Olympics or adjacent to us,
[21:07] as well as Southern California Public Power Authority.
[21:10] We'll have a brief press conference, but it is limited.
[21:12] Since it is a member of, that's reports directly
[21:16] to Chris White, right?
[21:17] So a really high level member of federal agencies staff.
[21:21] So we'll be doing demonstrations and things like that.
[21:23] And it will be in the media.
[21:24] maybe you'll see us on the news because we are walking in the three one of our demonstration projects.
[21:29] I do want to thank our team here. This has never happened to be moving before to get a visit from
[21:34] high-level federal officials from the Department of Energy and to be highlighted in the road show
[21:39] is a really big deal. So it happened also quickly and so shout out to Riyadh and you know,
[21:46] Armando and Jason and the team and Marisa and Armand for really putting this together. We had literally
[21:51] three weeks. So it's happening next week. And then also just a good news here. We got it right
[21:58] now. We're slated to receive as part of the state budget additional $1 million for the Reservoir
[22:03] Reservoir 2 collectively through federal and state funding. We receive about 2 million in earmarks
[22:10] which is great. That offsets nearly 10% of the costs. It's 2.4 would have been 10% but
[22:16] 24 million is a projected cost. I think that's a great win and a great testament to our team
[22:20] forgetting those funds. And then lastly, you do have the booklets for the Brown Act updates
[22:27] and the book for the, you know, the boards, commissions and committees handbook,
[22:33] which covers each, you know, PCC, their establishment, their composition, meeting information,
[22:39] and the powers and duties of the respective boards. There were a lot of changes made here.
[22:43] One of them was like keeping everything into like two hours if we can, you know,
[22:46] So we're going to have exceptions.
[22:48] Secondly, just kind of highlighting the advisory
[22:49] of the board and separating the rules of the board
[22:53] and the GM and the people that work here.
[22:55] And with that, I think I conclude my report.
[22:58] And thank you so much.
[23:00] OK, thank you very much.
[23:01] Any questions?
[23:03] No, OK.
[23:04] Let's move on to item number six.
[23:06] The consent calendar, the board may pull any item listed
[23:09] in the consent calendar for further questions.
[23:11] If any items are pulled, they will be replaced
[23:13] at the end of the report to the Board presentations.
[23:17] All move.
[23:19] We have a motion.
[23:21] Second.
[23:21] And a second.
[23:24] Can we get the vote, please?
[23:26] All righty.
[23:27] Mr. Cherry?
[23:29] Mr. Askender?
[23:30] Yes.
[23:30] Mr. Altman?
[23:32] Yes.
[23:33] Mr. Luddy?
[23:34] Mr. Mulot?
[23:35] Yes.
[23:36] Mr. Nielsen?
[23:37] Yes.
[23:38] And Mr. Smith?
[23:39] Yes.
[23:40] Motion carries.
[23:41] Thank you.
[23:42] At this time, I would like to ask the board about potentially moving a few things around on the agenda.
[23:53] It's not my decision, but I would like to propose that we move items that we are going to take action on, above the items where we just have reports.
[24:02] Do I have consensus on that?
[24:05] Okay. Great.
[24:06] So let's move to item eight reports to the board a a,
[24:17] sorry, we're going to go to presentations after.
[24:20] So I'm going to stop right here, Chris. I'm going to need your input. We have this meeting in the organization set for a reason.
[24:27] In terms of presentation is going first, first and foremost, we are probably one of the few boards and commissions and mimics the city council agenda.
[24:34] Number two, it really lets my team that doesn't have to be here for the long discussions to actually leave early after a 12 or 14 hour day.
[24:43] So I would recommend keeping it as is.
[25:02] I think arguably you do have the ability to move things around. I think you have to have a formal vote to do that. I do also want to know that as a general matter, we try not. We don't encourage doing that necessarily. As for the reasons you mentioned, but also for the members of the public because they may be assuming that certain things will happen in a certain order and they may be watching.
[25:24] But again, I think you guys do have the ability to do that, but you also should probably do a vote to confirm that.
[25:34] Could we implement this on the next meeting?
[25:39] The concern is making sure that I'm asking this as a question.
[25:42] The concern is to make sure that we get through all the topics tonight within the, you know, reasonable amount of time.
[25:49] Yes.
[25:49] And also to talk about the items, what we actually have to take action,
[25:54] ahead of just getting a report that in theory could be moved to another,
[25:58] you know, there are some things that we won't be able to move,
[26:01] because there will be an action that goes to the city council,
[26:04] and then there are reports that could just be moved as reasonable to another meeting.
[26:09] Okay, so then if it's okay with the rest of the board members,
[26:14] we will keep the agenda for tonight and we'll take a vote
[26:17] at our next meeting, I guess.
[26:22] So I will highlight we could make that adjustment so can we make that vote right now for next meetings?
[26:27] So why don't we make that vote for next meetings so we can just set up the agenda appropriately?
[26:31] So one of you make the motion and we'll go ahead and make sure the agenda set up that way.
[26:37] So I'll make a motion that going forward that the presentations will come after the reports to the board that actually require action on behalf of the board to implement contracts.
[26:47] And or contracts, and or items that have to go to city council on an urgent basis.
[26:53] Okay.
[26:54] Is there a second?
[26:59] Perfect.
[27:03] We'll do it for the next meeting.
[27:05] So this will be for the next meeting, which is October 1st.
[27:11] Is it sent right?
[27:13] We call it vote, please.
[27:14] Is it the next meeting and future meetings or just the next meeting?
[27:17] The next meeting and future meetings.
[27:21] Are we ready?
[27:22] Mr. Chair?
[27:23] Yes.
[27:24] Mr. Letty. Mr. Altman.
[27:27] Yes.
[27:28] Mr. Askandar. Yes.
[27:30] Mr. Malaw.
[27:31] Yes.
[27:32] Mr. Nielsen. Yes.
[27:34] And Mr. Smith.
[27:36] Yes.
[27:37] Motion carries.
[27:38] Chris, thank you for your input on that.
[27:40] Appreciate it.
[27:42] Okay.
[27:44] Presentation 7A Water Pipeline Condition Assessment.
[28:02] Good evening, Mr. Chairman and members of the Board.
[28:04] ambassador in the House, principle civil engineer with the water division. With the
[28:10] age in water infrastructure limited financial resources and the increasing cost of
[28:17] pipeline replacement, deciding which pipe to replace and when has become one of the
[28:25] most important decisions facing water utilities today.
[28:32] This is where pipeline condition
[28:34] assessment help us to replace the right pipe or the right time.
[28:45] So, way of background the drinking
[28:48] water distribution system in Burbank consists of 2078 miles of pipelines. The range and size
[28:58] from 4-inch to 3-inch.
[29:01] Fun fact, if you were to replace those 278 miles with cost
[29:07] into these dollars, it costs more than a billion dollars.
[29:16] So the takeaway from this slide is the system is aging.
[29:20] So we have already 52% of the pipeline in the system
[29:25] older than 70 years and 10% or about 28 miles,
[29:30] more than 90 years.
[29:37] You know, there's managing water pipelines
[29:40] comes with unique challenges.
[29:43] You know, pipelines are, you know,
[29:46] very five, six feet underground, right?
[29:49] And there are difficult to access, difficult to inspect.
[29:53] You know, unlike pump station or tanks,
[29:57] there's no redundancy and pipeline.
[30:00] And you know, what I mean breaks are unpredictable. No one can predict when men break will occur.
[30:11] They occur, they could occur anytime at any age. And when they do, you know, they create havoc.
[30:18] So, you see there that the picture from a main break here in Burbank for years ago, from a
[30:26] provedencia, just west of San Fernando, you know, you got water loss, you got damaged
[30:34] the property, public and private, you know, what are quality concerns, costly repair, and
[30:44] Never fail, you know, Main Brexit and Burbank, I could either on holidays or weekend or
[30:48] at night, you know, yeah, some, true. So, condition assessment will help us replace the
[30:57] right pipeline, you know, what do I mean by right pipeline? I mean, the pipe that's really
[31:03] need to be replaced. And at the right time, I mean, I didn't want to replace a pipe before
[31:11] incurring those main breaks. And how we do that? We don't just look at age of the pipe.
[31:18] We look at the main break history, that's major one, size, the materials,
[31:25] corrosivity of the soil that surrounding the pipe, as well as the water pressure that the
[31:31] water, the pipe are prating under.
[31:36] So now our toolbox here in Burbank water, we have four
[31:41] technologies that we have recently deployed in the past three years.
[31:48] I go quickly through them, but I'll take deeper dive a little bit in the following slide.
[31:55] These technologies, each one, answer different engineering questions.
[31:59] So they work together to help the war engineer make better informed decision.
[32:05] So, first one is VODI-I artificial intelligence platform basically basically take all the pipe segment in the city and rank them from, you know,
[32:17] likelihood of failure from high to low, as well as the consequence of failure, COF, from high to low.
[32:24] This way it can focus on the right and the most likely to fail by.
[32:28] The other technology we use is a pipeline inspection technology.
[32:33] This is measured the remaining thickness on the pipe.
[32:36] The third one, called EcoShore DAX device,
[32:40] gets connected to hydrogen and continuously
[32:43] listen for leak detecting leak.
[32:46] I hydrogen just special hydrogen that monitor the water pressure
[32:50] and the water temperature in the system.
[32:56] So, Vodai I, you know, take all the data that we have about the pipelines, you know, the
[33:04] diameter, the materials, solcorosivity, even they take the slope of the street, you know,
[33:11] tens of thousands of data upon.
[33:14] They take all that and, you know, it's an alagoretum and they come up with the likelihood
[33:19] of failure for each segment along with the consequence of failure.
[33:23] This image there is a screenshot from Vodaiai showing the top 5% of pipeline in Burbank that likely to fail.
[33:38] This is the other technology is the pipeline inspection, the beauty of this, I love this one because you don't need to take the pipeline out of service.
[33:46] You could do it, it's not in truth, it's have non-destructive.
[33:51] You can measure the remaining five thickness,
[33:55] you know, keeping the pipe in service.
[33:57] This is the portion of the vendor report,
[34:02] inspecting Magnolia Boulevard Pipeline,
[34:04] and you see the last three numbers in red,
[34:07] fifty, thirty, thirty, ninety.
[34:09] This means the pipe already lost,
[34:12] fifty percent of the second thickness.
[34:14] So if the pipe is half an inch, now it's only quarter of an inch, and red that's mean, you know, the condition of the pipe really is, you know, you know, very poor.
[34:28] And if it's called the Diallo, it's a fair, and if it's green, that's mean it's good, it's still good pipe.
[34:35] And we have, we are currently replacing this pipeline
[34:41] on Magnolia Boulevard or replacing 8,000 feet.
[34:44] In fact, we already replaced like 6,500 feet via the progressive design
[34:51] built project delivery approach.
[35:03] We plan on doing more, where it's advantageous to do that. In fact, in January, Mr. Jeff Paket and his crews will be in the
[35:14] starting January next year, we'll be replacing the other 2,500 feet of this 100 years old pipeline deteriorated pipeline.
[35:30] Eco-shore DX, this is the leak monitoring, basically a sensor.
[35:36] It's a acoustic sensor.
[35:39] You see, when this water leak on the pipe is when the water escaped the pipe, it creates noise.
[35:47] And this sensor pick up that noise.
[35:49] And the idea here is to find out about these leaks when they are small.
[35:55] You see leak normally, mainly break, occurred by having firstly, like, you know, small leak
[36:02] then becomes big leak. So that idea here to avoid the big leak by installing these devices,
[36:07] we have 75 of these. You install this on high consequence of failure area. Like, we have
[36:24] like three years ago, a few months after in the solar
[36:28] we got an alert from one of these devices of Buena Vista.
[36:34] And it gave us a distance, you know?
[36:36] I just remember 266 feet from the hydrant, the crew went there
[36:42] and they found the leak on a six inch water service for San Joseph Hospital.
[36:47] And it was a small leak and the crew were able to quickly fix it
[36:51] before it became bigger, really, you know, and in fact, you know, the hospital operation.
[37:01] This one is a special hydrogen. I mean, look like regular hydrogen, but it has a
[37:06] trade on top, and that device gets connected on top, and measure the pressure continuously,
[37:12] measure the pressure and temperature. You see, what a pressure is one of the root causes
[37:20] or major costs for main break.
[37:23] The changes, in fact, changes in pressure.
[37:26] The high and the up and low and the high demand, the low demand,
[37:31] you know, the pipe get fatigued.
[37:36] So, this will help us in the root cause analysis.
[37:40] When there is main break, we can figure out,
[37:43] hey, what was the cause and see what we could do to mitigate
[37:48] similar break in the future.
[37:50] And the seal just a quick time check so if you could get maybe to the last slide, it is in ten minutes.
[37:55] All right.
[37:56] So let's jump to the comparison.
[37:59] You know, I thought include, you know, how bourbon compare to other utilities in California.
[38:06] Those are the most important,
[38:07] keep performance indicators.
[38:10] You know, real water loss, that physical water that got lost from the system.
[38:14] In Burnback we have 16 gallon per service connection per day,
[38:18] the average in California is 29 and some utilities,
[38:22] the experience even 50 gallons per service connection per day.
[38:26] What am I break frequency?
[38:28] We have three breaks per 100 miles per year,
[38:33] the average in California is 6 and infrastructure leakage index.
[38:37] This is the measurement of how tight is the system.
[38:41] The lower the number, the better, in Burbank 0.7, you know, in California 1.4, and goes as high as 2.2, and I know who they are, by the way.
[38:54] Not having a new water, that's the water that you put in the system versus the water you solve.
[39:00] And in Burbank, this difference is 5.1, while the average in California is 11%, and goes as high as 20%.
[39:08] You know, that's a reason, I mean, this key, this performance is excellent performance
[39:13] indicators because of the best investment and the system.
[39:18] And if we want to keep this excellent performance, we got to keep investing in our
[39:25] water infrastructure, you know, to maintain these excellent performance indicators.
[39:32] So the key takeaway here is pipelines will not fail based on age alone.
[39:36] condition assessment, help the engineer to identify the highest risk pipelines, where we
[39:43] can get the most return in our investment.
[39:47] You know, most of the technology work together to help improve our decision.
[39:52] You know what a division is using risk-based asset management to maximize reliability
[39:57] while making the best of rate.
[40:02] This is fascinating. Thank you for this presentation. It's wonderful to see PWP taking advantage of these new technologies.
[40:12] These pilots, it seemed like you were running, you using some of these technologies, you've already received reports from them.
[40:19] are these already in a main streamed in your process or you still testing these and need to perhaps
[40:29] purchase a different contract or get more equipment to fully utilize these four technologies.
[40:36] That's a good question. We only bypass the finance stage. So, in fact, which I
[40:43] The other technology is still like satellite, which is satellite technology to find Greek.
[40:49] And it's not very effective, you know, it's because it's shot in time, just snapshot
[40:55] when the satellite pass over the sea, you know, and we had issue with the two.
[41:01] So we tried other technology we found those for the most effective, and we tried them, and
[41:08] planning, we're planning in fact on deploying more of these, especially on the one or
[41:13] brother of the city, so we're going to surround one or brother of the city of sight with
[41:19] these early warning, in the pressure monitoring, Nick monitoring, where do we go, Hollywood
[41:24] way, oh, can pass.
[41:28] Okay.
[41:29] Yes.
[41:30] I would like to put an anecdote.
[41:32] I received one of the flume devices through the rebate that we had here, it's probably
[41:37] been a year or so. I think we had it. I largely thought I was like this cool piece of data
[41:42] like it's interesting whatever, but just last week actually for the first time and having it
[41:46] for over a year, it detected a leak that I would have never found. It would have taken me weeks to
[41:51] realize that it was a sprinkler irrigation valve like hidden underneath hedges that slowly was
[41:57] leaking like 0.07 gallons, you know, an hour and then it went to 0.23, but the technology side
[42:05] really helps to go to the loss revenue loss and that type of stuff but I would love to see
[42:09] some more as we look to rebate some things like that for devices that are like the leaked
[42:13] detection devices I don't know if we're still offering those types of things but that was my
[42:17] personal like home experience with that and really just you can't overstate the value of being
[42:24] informed about your own system so right very valuable you know I feel we budget that about
[42:31] $100,000 per year on this, they're not very expensive, but if you avoid too many breaks, you pay for the $100,000.
[42:42] Many breaks cost at least $50,000 to fix.
[42:45] So if you catch a small leak and before they become big main breaks, you save yourself the money you invested.
[42:54] Plus, I mean, that's just our cost.
[42:56] There's a cost of the community when you have me in the break, right, traffic, out of service.
[43:03] This is nothing included in the $50,000.
[43:06] So yeah.
[43:09] Okay, wonderful.
[43:09] Thank you very much.
[43:11] That was wonderful.
[43:12] Mr. Smith, if I could just interrupt to your point,
[43:15] I do understand why it would be helpful to have reports towards the end.
[43:19] Just so we could have discussion on other items.
[43:21] But I think it's helpful to know that everyone's interested in these types of things.
[43:24] So thank you for bringing that up.
[43:25] Okay, and my team chopped up.
[43:32] Okay, we're going to hear about the City of Urban Green House Gas Reduction Plan Implementation
[43:37] and 2024 Green House Gas Immentory Update.
[43:41] Welcome.
[43:42] Thank you.
[43:42] Good evening.
[43:42] I'm Drew John Stone, the Sustainability Officer here at BWP and tonight.
[43:47] We have staff have committed to provide annual updates to City Council and boards
[43:51] and commissions on where we are with implementing the Green House Gas Reduction Plan
[43:55] our GGRP measures, as well as provide a new snapshot in time where we're at with community
[44:00] wide emissions.
[44:03] You've been presented with staff report and some attachments as files, and I'm just going
[44:08] to give a high-level presentation on where things stand as well as a recap of the GGRP.
[44:15] What city council's priorities have been over the last year and a half as they relate
[44:18] to sustainability and the GGRP, and then at the end I know we won't have much type of
[44:23] questions and feedback. But take those. We get to that. Oh, excuse me. So as a recap, the
[44:29] GGRP was a community led effort and it was adopted by City Council about three and a half
[44:34] years ago. It lays out a past reduced emissions 40% below 1990 levels by 2030. That's an alignment
[44:42] with Senate Bill 32. So that's kind of our share of emissions that we're aiming to get down. The GGRP
[44:48] It includes 12 strategies, 21 measures, and a hundred, and...
[45:00] 24 action items set to reduce planet warming emissions, improve residents quality of life, and prepare the community with adaptation and resilient strategies.
[45:10] So I will start with the next slide with the snapshot of the community's greenhouse gas emissions inventory.
[45:17] And so here's the table.
[45:20] The emissions for 2024 calendar year, that was the most recent full year of data that we had at the time of our analysis.
[45:26] It was estimated that just over a million metric tons of carbon dioxide equivalent or about 10 metric tons per capita.
[45:33] Remember our Senate bill 32 goal is to get to 40% below 1990 levels, so we essentially have to reduce about 3 metric tons per capita to meet that goal.
[45:44] But the good news is that city emissions are the lowest they've ever, or that they've been in the last 30 years coming down from that peak from 2010.
[45:52] So we still have significant work to meet the goal, but we're trending in the right direction.
[45:58] Here's another look at that same data, but in a bar chart with different colors representing
[46:02] the different sources or sectors of the community that pollute the environment, the air and the atmosphere.
[46:09] So our community wide emissions have declined overall since peaking in 2010, and that's despite fluctuations in weather, energy supply, economic activity, and transportation behavior and waste generation patterns.
[46:20] So, the emissions ranked from most to least impactful, or in that upside-down pyramid,
[46:26] tailpite pollution from on-road vehicles, unsurprisingly, is the largest source of
[46:29] emissions at about 49%.
[46:33] In 2024, we saw vehicle emissions sort of rebound after the pandemic,
[46:39] and then I also want
[46:40] to talk about individual actions, some can take, so one of the things is, you know, replacing
[46:45] a gas car with an electric car, or human power transportation can save about four times.
[46:50] The next is electricity generated and delivered by birbank water and power.
[46:54] So I drew with this question.
[46:56] Yeah, this is really to this slide, Drew.
[46:58] Thank you for this presentation.
[46:59] Can you clarify if these numbers,
[47:01] vehicle miles travel, for instance, electricity generated,
[47:04] is within our borders, is it of birbank residents,
[47:09] traveling wherever they may travel?
[47:12] Is it?
[47:13] So that has to do with the blue one.
[47:15] And then the yellow electricity generated,
[47:16] You were about to talk about it, is that going to be electricity generated within
[47:21] Burbank or electricity generated for Burbank?
[47:25] Let's see, electricity generated for Burbank, so not just MPP, but all the generation sources
[47:30] that we have.
[47:32] So scope one and scope two emissions.
[47:34] You're question about vehicle miles traveled.
[47:37] We rely on energy modeling data.
[47:41] There is a service called replica that we use along with a lot of other cities.
[47:46] it's very complicated. I don't have time to get into it today, but it does
[47:52] use this data to track transportation within Burbank's boundaries and
[47:58] claims to include people coming from outside Burbank, into Burbank, through
[48:02] Burbank and going outside of Burbank.
[48:06] Electricity is where I was at. So it's response for about 31% of the community's
[48:10] emissions.
[48:13] Let's see, methane gas or natural gas consumption in our building
[48:16] is responsible for another 11%, fuel-combusted power-operative equipment, combustion vehicles
[48:21] 4%, and then, again, under 4% we've got waste emissions from landfills and compost
[48:26] as well as treatment from wastewater and importing water.
[48:30] So now I want to look at some of the council priorities that are aimed to help reduce emissions.
[48:38] So number one, one of the priorities from the council is to integrate solar power, priorities
[48:44] about electrifying new construction and EV infrastructure.
[48:48] Some of these things we don't necessarily have to implement with local codes, but the state
[48:52] of California actually requires solar and battery infrastructure batteries and EV infrastructure
[48:57] on new construction.
[49:01] Requiring new construction on new, requiring electric for new construction that is on hold
[49:06] because of a state law.
[49:08] It was AB 130 that put a moratorium on municipalities implementing reach codes on residential new construction.
[49:14] But the good news there is that the state code already requires all electric readiness, and
[49:20] basically requires heat pumps for both heating water and HVAC, which are historically
[49:24] of the two largest sources of gas.
[49:29] Council also has a priority to address urban heat, and so the city is doing that now through
[49:36] cool roof requirements.
[49:37] So any time a resident or business replaces a roof or installs a new roof, it has to
[49:41] a cool roof with high reflectivity index, BWP and Parks and Rec both administer shade
[49:47] tree programs to encourage shading buildings and parks, and Parks and Rec have also installed
[49:54] shade structures throughout multiple parks in the city recently. Parks and Rec continue to maintain
[49:59] the tree cannon.
[50:00] And the upcoming, the state, the sustainable water use ordinance that we passed recently, which impacts
[50:06] irrigating non-functional turf with putable water, has spurred our parks erect department to look at municipal facilities and replacing
[50:14] some of that non-functional turf with California natives.
[50:20] When it comes to landscape equipment, number six, which grades that, you know, we're going to start seeing more landscape equipment get quieter,
[50:29] and less polluting because our gas leaf blower ordinance has been in effect since January 1.
[50:34] So that was something new that happened this year. This first year is all of the implementation
[50:37] educating property owners and landscapers about the ordinance and then the step up enforcement
[50:42] starting in 2027. MPWP has a rebate to support spare batteries for commercial landscapers.
[50:50] And lastly, Council has made a priority to explore innovative solutions for energy and water
[50:56] And of course, BWP, we're consistently administrating
[50:59] administering education incentive programs.
[51:01] In this last year, we've offered, we've added incentives
[51:04] for a low-income customers to upgrade their homes.
[51:06] We've hosted numerous water conservation workshops
[51:08] and just this week, we launched our low-income
[51:10] refrigerator exchange program.
[51:15] So I wanted to last couple of slides.
[51:16] I just want to highlight that the city has completed
[51:19] 16 GGRP initiatives to date.
[51:22] We've got 54 that are currently being implemented
[51:24] in another 53 that are pending initiation.
[51:27] and so that's one to run through a couple pictures
[51:29] from highlights from the last year and a half.
[51:32] The cornerstone project of the GGRP
[51:34] is to leverage BWP staff and public benefits funds
[51:37] to work with Burbank Housing Corporation
[51:39] to help them upgrade some of their older units
[51:42] that rely on gas for their heating, cooking,
[51:46] and water heating and upgrade them
[51:48] with efficient electric alternatives.
[51:49] This is the picture from one of our site visits
[51:51] at their property on Elmwood and Lake.
[51:53] We hosted a webinar for their attendance
[51:54] and property management to teach them
[51:56] about electrification, what these new appliances will bring.
[51:59] We were successful at winning $120,000 in state and federal funding
[52:03] to help with this project.
[52:04] This pilot project to electrify six units
[52:07] and we're gonna be doing another two, three buildings later this year
[52:09] with BHC.
[52:12] Last, this also the last year,
[52:13] we launched a technical assistance program
[52:14] for small and medium size businesses
[52:16] to help them assess their EV charger potential.
[52:18] We launched our solar battery rebate this year.
[52:21] This is a picture of the RITC.
[52:22] Many of you are at the ribbon cutting.
[52:23] this type of project is absolutely in the GGRP and we can now brag that 100% of our streetlights are now LEDs.
[52:33] We have, I want say it's 9,450 streetlights so that's saving a lot of maintenance activities and of course energy during very important peak periods of the day.
[52:44] Parking management is a strategy in the GGRP with the goal to price all public parking so that at least 20% of parking supply or that's like one or two spaces per block is available any time.
[52:54] So in March of 2025, the transportation staff implemented a paid parking program in downtown,
[53:00] and staff are evaluating the program's performance, and they're going to provide periodic updates
[53:04] to city council on its performance. Multiple organic waste diversion activities have been implemented.
[53:10] This is of course to reduce methane in the landfill, so diverting organic waste.
[53:15] All city irrigation controllers have been modernized this past year to reduce water usage,
[53:19] and the CDD planning division has incorporated recycled water into objective development standards.
[53:25] Here's a photo of actually the purple piping installed at Georgia State Park this last year.
[53:31] And the city and BWP continued to implement urban water management plan conservation activities.
[53:40] And we offer resource for residents to make water-wise landscape decisions.
[53:43] And we've recently published a parkway design guideline and landscape templates just this last year.
[53:47] And on the regulatory side, building and safety
[53:50] continue to enforce the model water-efficient landscape
[53:52] ordinance that applies to all new landscapes.
[53:55] Lastly, here's a picture of our hands-on demo
[53:58] event that we held for landscapeers to test out
[54:01] all electric new equipment.
[54:05] Lastly, this is my second presentation of this kind.
[54:08] I would do the Sustainable Burbank Commission.
[54:09] I'll be going to Council in a couple of weeks.
[54:12] We're going to be focusing on implementation implementation
[54:14] implementation.
[54:16] And of course, any new work that requires budget,
[54:18] of course be reviewed and considered at future city council meetings and we will always be looking
[54:24] for grants and other funding to implement our goals and policies and we also want to be considering
[54:30] innovative educational campaigns for how residents and businesses can save a ton,
[54:34] like save a ton of emissions or save three tons of emissions, rest of it achieve our goal.
[54:42] It's like a sprint.
[54:43] Thank you.
[54:44] Yes, questions.
[54:46] Mr. Letty.
[54:49] The session you held with the landscapeers on new equipment, how much participation did
[54:57] you get?
[54:58] We had about.
[55:00] 42 people there, have you done them in the past? No, this is the first of its kind, and we actually applied for a grant and won it. So we actually, we paid to have this organization called the American Green Zone Alliance, come, they had the connections with the manufacturers of equipment, so they were the ones that helped get these OEMs there. So anyway, yeah, this organization helped with that and we paid them through a grant.
[55:22] So who got in touch with the gardeners?
[55:25] We did our best to reach out to
[55:28] Landscapes that have business permits.
[55:30] We did obviously our marketing campaigns and
[55:33] Agza, the organization.
[55:35] They've got a lot of connections in the space as well.
[55:36] So they had Landscapes come from the region.
[55:40] And no concern from anybody about ice.
[55:44] Writing on this.
[55:46] That was a concern.
[55:48] I maybe would have had a lot more people.
[55:51] Yeah.
[55:51] We live in the home.
[55:53] Thank you.
[55:54] Yes, Mr. Cherry.
[55:55] Good presentation.
[55:57] Sure and sweet.
[55:58] Also, I like it that you actually numbered your slides.
[56:01] Yes.
[56:01] If we can go to slide number four, it's easier to do this way.
[56:06] In the sense that you mentioned the beginning, it's an annual report.
[56:09] I think the city council.
[56:11] Is it just an annual, you mentioned something annually at the beginning.
[56:14] Can you clarify what that was again?
[56:16] Oh, yes, I tried to do these presentations annually just to give an update because there are
[56:23] 100 some odd measures. Again, I mentioned about 50 of them are sort of ongoing. So, I've
[56:30] got a large spreadsheet that's in the back of a attachment to, I believe it is, that have
[56:36] updates from staff throughout the city. There are usually a few sentences just on updates.
[56:40] So, on this as an outcome, maybe 32 and everything else that has been passed over the course of
[56:47] is a report like this required to be done under that, under the legislation.
[56:52] Yes, sir.
[56:53] The GGRP was a requirement.
[56:56] I believe it.
[56:57] There was a sequel requirement, too, or to, to, yes.
[57:00] It was like a sequel qualified sort of plan.
[57:04] And with the, doing this work, this is the city
[57:07] at all, the funding comes to pay for this from home.
[57:10] Variety of sources.
[57:11] So, I'm presenting just because it's kind of one of the hats I wear to help coordinate all the departments just to generate this type of report.
[57:20] But all the departments are responsible for numerous measures in this plan.
[57:24] I would say B2P is kind of the lead on 30 to 40 of them.
[57:27] But CDD in public works, they're the lead department on many of them as well.
[57:31] And they have their, you know, CIP projects and funding from the general fund.
[57:36] But then, like, our programs, like, of course, like rebates and renewable energy, those come from BWP.
[57:40] And for this program specifically, you know, obviously we're the largest component of the greenhouse gas emissions as a city.
[57:47] But they're producing.
[57:50] So in the sense of the greenhouse gas inventory that was done by the consultant,
[57:53] whose paying for that report is the city paying for it,
[57:57] or we paying BWP paying for it, or is everybody paying for it in the city?
[58:01] Yeah, it's been, yeah, good question.
[58:02] It's been a mix.
[58:03] And this is the very time we've worked with GreenCon.
[58:06] I believe since I've been here,
[58:08] Sometimes it's split between the departments.
[58:12] This particular time, BWP paid for just the
[58:17] the admissions report from the public benefits account.
[58:24] But when we had Reinhardt do a more substantial inventory
[58:29] and annual report last year, it was shared between public works
[58:32] in CDD and BWP.
[58:34] in the scoping document of the actual inventory's
[58:36] done yet annually then, are we doing it annually?
[58:39] That's what the council, that's what they've asked for.
[58:41] What's required by statute?
[58:45] I don't, I'm not sure about that.
[58:48] And just my last question I have for you is in the sense of the 1990
[58:52] baseline, how do we, does that get adjusted based on the housing
[58:57] development, continuing, conduit development, parking buildings,
[59:00] because it seems like we're obviously adding more, which is causing more greenhouse gases
[59:07] ultimately and how are we accounting for that in our reduction?
[59:11] If you look at it, you just wonder if you're ever going to get to 30% below what 1990 was.
[59:17] I think it is possible.
[59:19] We're going to be our energy sources over time.
[59:22] Vehicles will be electrifying over time.
[59:24] We'll be electrifying buildings over time.
[59:27] So we're still aiming for it.
[59:29] And I will add you, bring up a really good topic, and that's one of the things we brought up to the California Energy Commission is with all the funded state mandates, including SB79, SB35, SBXY and Z, or AVXY and Z, when they place mandates are more housing, more electrification.
[59:47] We also have to be mindful of the costs that's going to have to are repairs, as well as the availability of resources, and the CEC and even others have put it out there, that natural gas is kind of a stop gap until then.
[59:59] We have high f-
[1:00:00] Major agenda, compliance halted. We have transmission not being built. We have projects not being built and we're
[1:00:05] we've even done projects like in Utah and Nevada as well. So we've been highlighting that. And hopefully,
[1:00:12] these will be adjusted to reflect that. And we don't have affordable solar and or other green energy sources right now in the market.
[1:00:19] So I'm going to caveat that with not only not affordable, but also terms and conditions that would not be fair to our papers.
[1:00:28] Thank you, Drew. Good presentation, though.
[1:00:30] Thank you.
[1:00:31] Thank you.
[1:00:32] It's just a couple of comments, not questions.
[1:00:36] So you mentioned the ratepayers and everything else.
[1:00:37] One thing to note, right?
[1:00:38] Drew, you mentioned it was this particular item was paid out of the public benefits account.
[1:00:42] For those, the three things I'm going to say are just, I guess, statements for the record for folks at home that are watching and are visitors.
[1:00:49] State mandated programs like these, like pieces of legislation.
[1:00:52] That public benefits money could have been rebates back in our residence hands.
[1:00:55] That money could have been spent back on residents to get batteries for their homes, to get leaked detection devices.
[1:01:04] But instead, state-mandated programs, this is being spent on state-mandated programs.
[1:01:09] One point of clarification.
[1:01:12] The other that I wanted to make was that I appreciate you bringing this slide up.
[1:01:15] We didn't tee this up together.
[1:01:17] But I said this when we adopted the GGRP, but it's worth noting again the glaring omission that is missing
[1:01:24] from this slide and from the report itself, I'll give everyone one guess, what's the biggest
[1:01:30] polluter in the city.
[1:01:33] Thank you.
[1:01:33] Thank you.
[1:01:34] Airport.
[1:01:35] She got it.
[1:01:36] It's the airport.
[1:01:37] In the fact that it's still here and we're doing all these things about vehicle miles
[1:01:42] and we're doing things about my, I've got my green bin on my counter that I use every
[1:01:46] single day and much to my wife's laughter, right?
[1:01:49] A ton of it goes into the green bin, the way it's supposed to, but the airport is no part
[1:01:53] this conversation. Absolutely nowhere at this conversation. That's that. And I apologize
[1:01:59] I've, you know, if I'm looking at my phone during this is because I have the staff reports
[1:02:03] on my phone. So I just wanted to my very last comment. I wanted to read one of the sentences
[1:02:08] from the report. Just for what it's worth because it's a hot topic these days.
[1:02:15] VMT stands for vehicle miles traveled. So it says bus and this I'm on page A1111 under the transportation
[1:02:22] section. Just for what it's worth, I'm not making any statements, I'm just reading verbatim
[1:02:25] what it says. Bus VMT in contrast has declined since the onset of the pandemic and has not
[1:02:32] returned to pre 2020 levels. Reduced ridership, service adjustments, and sustained remote work patterns
[1:02:39] have contributed to lower transit activity.
[1:02:44] That's all. The rest of it's unimportant. But for what
[1:02:48] But again, it has it relates to airport and everything else, and you know, we have EVVs at my house.
[1:02:55] I have solar at my house. I've got all the LEDs you could want, so I'm trying to do my part.
[1:03:01] But again, the airport, a couple of these other things for what it's worth.
[1:03:07] Mr. Letty here.
[1:03:08] Honour.
[1:03:09] Yeah, just, uh, this report, who else do you give these to?
[1:03:15] What do we do with all of this information and what we're achieving at the initial demand
[1:03:22] of the state?
[1:03:24] Um, yes.
[1:03:24] I present the Sustainable Vervent Commission in you and then Council on a couple of weeks.
[1:03:28] We'll also be posting on the city's GGRP website and we have a public facing dashboard
[1:03:32] as well.
[1:03:33] That's been updated.
[1:03:34] So, do we send them to the state?
[1:03:36] Do we give them to our, it's not assembly representatives, representatives to take up, say,
[1:03:42] see what's happening, you made it now, give us money to do more of this.
[1:03:47] So I will add here, our city council is the one that supported the GGRP and instituted
[1:03:53] the GGRP.
[1:03:54] So that's really the push from the local government, a lot of their cities do too, to support
[1:03:59] state mandates on funded state mandates.
[1:04:02] I'm sure they wanted to shine for the state and we should take it up and try and use
[1:04:07] something to leverage out all of the men's that make on us that cost, but they don't
[1:04:12] ever want to give us one to make it happen.
[1:04:16] Just a thought.
[1:04:17] Mr. Alvin.
[1:04:18] Yes.
[1:04:19] Could you flip to the slide that had the 1990 baseline?
[1:04:25] I was thinking that it would be helpful, maybe I know you're going to be presenting to
[1:04:28] Council. It might be helpful to include another column here that shows the average of like
[1:04:35] municipalities or because this is not for BWP, this is for the city. You know, to show
[1:04:41] well, we've looks very good, down at 12.8% from 1990 looks very good. Curious, how Burbank
[1:04:50] compares to other similarly sized, similarly situated municipalities, the city council might
[1:04:55] interested in that. And also a broader question is
[1:05:00] You know, pretty still pretty far away from 40%, but about 13%, is nothing is needs that.
[1:05:06] I'm curious, you said it with 50 programs in process, 50 more programs in the pipeline that could be rolled out.
[1:05:15] Are they all necessary to get to 40%, how close will they get us to 40%.
[1:05:19] You know, how likely are we going to get to 40%, those are questions you might get at city council.
[1:05:26] Thank you.
[1:05:27] Actually, I'd like to make one compliment.
[1:05:32] We, you mentioned the tree programs that you've done around the city, and in our house,
[1:05:40] we had the city of Burbank, and the Arborist gave us a couple of trees, and they grew perfectly,
[1:05:48] and they were very little water, and it has made it, so we really don't need to run
[1:05:54] air conditioner, like we used to, that part of the back of the house, it's beautiful. You know,
[1:06:03] just like a little fan maybe, but we really cut down and we keep our AC at 78 to 80,
[1:06:10] only when we need it. So I wanted to compliment you for that program. It was, and it saves us
[1:06:16] a ton of money to glad to have that testimonial. Can we get some photos? I tell everybody to call
[1:06:23] because it's, and, and it's just for free. Yes. And I'm just going to add something briefly to what
[1:06:29] Mr. Altman has for, so in terms of comparison to other municipalities, I just want to highlight
[1:06:35] this takes hundreds and hundreds of hours to put together, so that data is not going to be readily
[1:06:39] available. So I highly encourage it, it's not readily available to something we think about for the future.
[1:06:44] Just probably not right now because we go into weeks. It's just, it is a lot of data,
[1:06:48] having done some of these in the past. It's pretty much half my job and I used to do it.
[1:06:54] So I just want to be mindful of that.
[1:06:56] Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you.
[1:07:00] All right. Let's hear from the overview of Burbank Water Empower's
[1:07:04] Operational Technology One Burbank Program.
[1:07:08] Please.
[1:07:20] Good evening. I'm Daniel Lippert. I'm Andrew SpeedwP's
[1:07:22] Fiber optic network as well as its municipal ISP ISP One Burbank.
[1:07:27] See some new faces, so I'm happy to be here today for those who may be of heard this before. I'll try to keep it interesting
[1:07:36] Start my presentation like you often do at the beginning in the 1980s the
[1:07:41] Pop copper pilot wire relay system that we had was reaching the end of its life and starting to fail and
[1:07:48] My predecessor and all of our predecessors at the time had the foresight to realize that fiber optic was the future of telecom back in the 80s
[1:07:57] So in 1986, we began replacing all of our copper communication systems with fiber optic
[1:08:02] and by 1996, we had completed that conversion.
[1:08:07] We found, like everyone who built fiber back in the 90s, that the fiber optic wires that
[1:08:12] we installed had so much more capacity than the copper wires that they replaced that we actually
[1:08:17] had over capacity.
[1:08:19] And so facing that over capacity, we decided that it would make sense to start leasing some
[1:08:24] capacity to other companies that could take advantage of it. In 1997, Warner Brothers became
[1:08:30] our first customer, but many entertainment companies quickly followed after that and our
[1:08:35] dark fiber program got off the ground running very quickly. In 2011, we decided to expand
[1:08:42] that program to begin offering what are called lit services, which is actually internet services,
[1:08:47] networked services and other fiber optic services that require us to do something other than
[1:08:53] is leasing our infrastructure.
[1:08:57] So what is one, Burbank?
[1:08:59] It's a way of maximizing all of the assets
[1:09:01] that we have already built and paid for,
[1:09:03] but that we aren't currently using.
[1:09:05] It's also a means of economic development
[1:09:07] by adding another competitive ISP to the city.
[1:09:11] It allows the businesses that exist in the city
[1:09:14] and the enterprises to be able to go to the incumbents
[1:09:17] and say, look, I can get this elsewhere.
[1:09:18] I'm not stuck on your network.
[1:09:20] And so it helps to not only help the existing businesses,
[1:09:24] but it also is a driver for economic development of bringing in new businesses. I meet with the
[1:09:29] CDD and they talk about our program all of the time to companies who might be stuck in
[1:09:33] North Hollywood and like yeah, you just come across the border, you can take advantage of one
[1:09:37] bird bank.
[1:09:41] So what services do we offer? As I mentioned we started off just offering dark
[1:09:45] fiber. The many cities do this now and it's simply a way of leasing out the fiber optic cable
[1:09:50] to another company. We don't connect anything to it. We don't do anything. We don't monitor it.
[1:09:55] You least said it's yours to do with who as you please. This is a great service
[1:10:00] For companies that have their own network engineering departments, and can afford to buy network equipment, because it's the most secure possible form of communications.
[1:10:09] Things sent over dark fiber don't touch the internet. They're controlled on both ends by the businesses that are leasing the fiber, and so it's the most secure possible form.
[1:10:19] If you're a studio who's about to produce a new trailer or something and you don't want it leaking, dark fiber is the way to go.
[1:10:25] Most businesses don't have their own network engineering departments, though, so we began
[1:10:30] offering dedicated internet access.
[1:10:32] This is similar to the internet access you might get at home, but it's for enterprise
[1:10:36] quality service.
[1:10:38] It's symmetric, so there's no upload download discrepancies.
[1:10:41] It's got a guaranteed SLA, so it's reliability is key, and it also is guaranteed bandwidth.
[1:10:49] So if you buy 100 megabits, you get 100 megabits.
[1:10:52] It's not up to, it's not sometimes like in the middle of the night.
[1:10:55] You get it on, it's 24-7, you get it on, you get it on, you get it on, you get what you pay for.
[1:11:00] And then our Wave Lambda Services is essentially a way of transporting data between
[1:11:05] Burbank and downtown Los Angeles, the carrier hotels, as they call them,
[1:11:11] the giant office building data centers in downtown LA,
[1:11:14] have basically since the 1980s been the hub for the internet, for the entire West Coast.
[1:11:20] So there are a lot of businesses that might need to get down to LLA, and this service offers a way for them to come from Burbank, which is like a dark fiber service, secure and point to point, and controlled by you.
[1:11:34] But to get you to LLA to where you can connect to the rest of the world.
[1:11:42] The program is growing, as you can see, you see the big kind of ramp up in around 2011 when we began switching from just dark fiber to lit services.
[1:11:49] The important thing to know about this revenue is that one verbank is part of the electric fund.
[1:11:55] So all of these revenues are electric revenues.
[1:11:58] So every dollar that we bring in is a dollar that we don't have to raise by increasing electric rates.
[1:12:03] I was told once and no reason to believe it's not true anymore that our one verbank revenues represent about a 2% discount.
[1:12:10] That would have had to go into rating increases on the electric side if we didn't have this program.
[1:12:17] In addition to the money that we bring in, and we actually save significant amounts of money to the city and to the utility by owning our own fiber optic network and not having to lease it from one of the private telecom carriers.
[1:12:30] One of the things that's important to note is this also inspires kind of an abundance mindset when we need to have communications to a device, we just build it.
[1:12:39] We don't have to ask in whether we need to ration our communications,
[1:12:43] how much is this going to cost? If we have to go get it from AT&T,
[1:12:46] if we need it, we build it and we're done. And so it allows us to do programs
[1:12:50] that might otherwise have been cut just because it would have been too cost
[1:12:54] to cost an efficient or something to build the calm network.
[1:12:59] So how did we do last year? We had a little bit over average year for this past fiscal year.
[1:13:06] Not excessive, but we brought in a lot of new customers. And you can see from that number,
[1:13:10] We actually built quite a few circuits for ourselves from what is already a mature network to build 35 new links is kind of
[1:13:18] It just and it shows that are our utility users are not shy about requesting links when they need them
[1:13:27] There are a couple items that I'm really looking forward to over the next year or two and the first as
[1:13:33] As you all are aware is the new airport terminal
[1:13:35] So when the airports sent out their request to the telecom carriers, there were only two carriers
[1:13:41] that were actually able to meet the airport's requirements, and one Burbank was one of them.
[1:13:46] So there are only two carrier options in the airport.
[1:13:49] If for anyone any of the tenants, the airlines themselves, the airport and all of its organizations,
[1:13:54] they only have two choices, and one of them is one Burbank, that's something that I'm very proud of.
[1:13:58] I'm also somewhat proud of the service that we built for them.
[1:14:01] I'm not going to show the details because it's a curing information.
[1:14:04] But essentially, every piece of equipment, every room, every line,
[1:14:09] every even the networks that they exit Burbank out on is redundant and diverse.
[1:14:14] So if any piece of equipment fails, there's always a backup.
[1:14:17] So even though there's two carriers at the airport,
[1:14:20] they really could have just gone with us, because the service we built is so bulletproof.
[1:14:26] The other item, as my deep mentioned earlier, is the International Broadcast Center.
[1:14:30] That's at the Warner Brothers Ranch, which is currently owned by Worth.
[1:14:34] But we had actually already built out redundant communications to that site because Warner Bros. is an important enough customer for us to do that.
[1:14:42] So I'm not sure that we're actually going to even need to do anything at this site.
[1:14:46] I feel like we're already ready for it.
[1:14:48] But we'll meet with them, of course, and decide if they have more and more infrastructure will build it.
[1:14:53] Because it's a significant event and it's going to really reflect how the quality of one burbank and burbank services in general.
[1:15:01] And that's it. I'll try and keep you asleep. Are there any comments?
[1:15:04] Mr. Chair.
[1:15:06] Quick question. So when we put this into the airport, did they pay us for that infrastructure
[1:15:11] costs or is it just a monthly cost or paying? So for lit services like Internet services,
[1:15:17] the costs are recovered from monthly bills. So we don't request like an aid and construction
[1:15:21] upfront to build those. We build it out at our cost and then we bring that back in from
[1:15:26] rates.
[1:15:26] Okay, so all the costs get socialized into the rates then.
[1:15:30] So yeah, to the one-bar bank rates, I should be glad.
[1:15:32] They're not electric rates.
[1:15:34] And so when we build for 35 points to other city facilities that are non-BWP facilities, how's that paid for?
[1:15:42] So for dark fiber links, which all of the city links are, those are actually paid for upfront.
[1:15:48] And then we do, if it's like a city IT issue or something, then we do a fund transfer between the two funds.
[1:15:55] So, anything going into other than BWP is paid for by other city funds and reimbursed.
[1:16:01] Correct.
[1:16:01] Is that a revenue?
[1:16:02] I assume.
[1:16:03] Yeah, and that even includes water.
[1:16:05] Because, like I said, one Burbank is part of the electric fund.
[1:16:07] So, to an order to avoid cross-subsidization, if a water needs a link,
[1:16:12] then they have to cover the cost to electric.
[1:16:15] Thank you.
[1:16:17] Yeah, the questions.
[1:16:18] I like the graphics.
[1:16:20] They're very nice.
[1:16:21] I'm glad that you guys got a chance to shine and tell us a little bit about your business.
[1:16:25] What is your plan to grow this business, because it's a benefit to rate pairs, it's a benefit to the city, it's some great to talk about?
[1:16:35] Yeah, and that's part of why the 2011 they expanded to let services, because we've been doing dark fiber for a while, and that is a cash register, because you build the infrastructure once and build it every month for 50, 60 years.
[1:16:47] But it is a limited number of customers who can even use that.
[1:16:52] So by expanding to Internet Services, that grew our market quite a bit.
[1:16:55] We've reached a point where a lot of the big entertainment companies already know about
[1:17:00] us and already use us or have decided they don't want to use us.
[1:17:04] So there's not as much growth in that plus as we're all aware of the entertainment industry
[1:17:09] in Los Angeles is not exactly booming right now.
[1:17:12] Where we are looking to expand is in the medical side, and I'm working with our marketing team to try and focus especially on key accounts with our electric and water,
[1:17:25] who are already used to dealing with kind of customized service, really reaching out into that sector,
[1:17:32] because we have the hospital here and we have the cancer center in a lot of medical facilities nearby.
[1:17:38] That's one area that I would like to try and grow our market.
[1:17:43] We've also recently reached out to some new parts of town that we didn't necessarily have fiber capabilities before.
[1:17:51] And so we're going to be blanketing kind of those areas with Liner saying, hey, we're in your neighborhood now.
[1:17:56] If you're interested, give us a call.
[1:17:59] So marketing is something we didn't do in the past.
[1:18:02] We just kind of relied on word of mouth.
[1:18:04] you're folks who've worked at one of the studios would eventually go move to the other and
[1:18:08] they would all know about our service and to be fair that worked for a while but as you said now
[1:18:14] we kind of have to just to stretch to grow further. Is there a is there a business size or revenue
[1:18:21] size or anything that that you can focus on that's kind of like that's your customer that
[1:18:26] and larger because maybe some small customers like it doesn't make sense but there's probably a
[1:18:31] which it does. Right and you're right as a small business or a business that doesn't necessarily need
[1:18:37] their internet that much like if they're a hair salon or you know a barber shop or maybe like a fast food
[1:18:43] restaurant they need an internet but that's not like their business mission critical part um so
[1:18:49] those are not like a likely customer for one burbank although I will say that we have you know buddies all
[1:18:55] stars down that just makes t-shirts has been a one burbank customer from day one so
[1:19:01] Even some small businesses just because a personal preference is want to go with a local
[1:19:05] carrier.
[1:19:06] They want to reinvest in the community.
[1:19:08] So I wouldn't rule anyone out.
[1:19:10] But typically, because the prices for dedicated internet access are usually about 10 times
[1:19:15] the price you're going to pay for a non-dedicated service, you're looking at customers who
[1:19:20] feel that 10 times the price for an internet is worth it.
[1:19:23] So those tend to be medium to large size businesses, and they tend to be technology businesses
[1:19:28] entertainment businesses, folks who are sending a lot of data back and forth.
[1:19:35] I remind me, every couple years as we have this conversation, we used to have it with
[1:19:40] Jim and everyone else.
[1:19:42] Still the roadmap has nothing in it about residential or even large residential.
[1:19:48] But the question I don't remember what the answer was.
[1:19:51] We asked it then about connections to some of the large new multi-family complexes,
[1:19:55] rate providing at least back on to.
[1:20:00] I think at the time it was to Luria and then we're talking about, you know, a couple of the other ones, all to whatever it is. Are we getting into that at all? How are you seeing some of that develop and because those are, you know, you just providing it in the building and letting them take it from there as a different business model.
[1:20:18] Right. So we prepared a fiber to the home feasibility study. I've won a state late 2024, maybe mid 2024, which is available and I can happily send it to anyone who wants to.
[1:20:29] read it. The long story short of it is that it would require not just $120 million to build
[1:20:37] the network, but $100 million of that would have to be bond issues and given all of the
[1:20:40] other infrastructure things we're going to need to go out for bonds for. It didn't make sense
[1:20:45] to kind of use our bond rating on something that's a want to have, not a need to have. To the
[1:20:52] point about the large industry and not in the, so the large multi-family, we have thought
[1:20:59] about in the past. And if you're going to do a pilot project, then that's where it makes
[1:21:03] the most sense. You're going to get a lot more bang for your buck if you can hit 500
[1:21:06] customers with one service than the other way around. The challenge though is there's so much
[1:21:13] cost to bring in customer number one. There's so much upfront cost that in order to make any pilot
[1:21:19] actually pay for itself, you really need to spread it out. If you're not getting about 10,000 to 20,000
[1:21:25] customers, you're going to lose money. So if we do a pilot, it's going to lose money. I can guarantee that, just because of the upfront costs.
[1:21:34] And that's not to say that that's bad and we can't do that. But we have to be aware of the fact that if we do that,
[1:21:41] we can't come back later and say, oh, how come we're losing money on this?
[1:21:47] Okay. All right. Thank you very much.
[1:21:51] All right.
[1:21:52] We are now to item number eight, reports to the board, approve, and approve an award-bid schedule
[1:22:00] number 1544 to bright-move energy for electric vehicle charging stations, design build services.
[1:22:10] Welcome.
[1:22:11] Good evening board members and staff and guests, my name is Andres Asarion, Senior Administrative
[1:22:16] panelists with UW-Fee-Sustainability Division, and they'll be presenting to you about a bit
[1:22:21] scheduled 1544 for EV charging station design build services.
[1:22:27] For a little background, UW-P operates 108 public and 37 employee and fleet EV charging
[1:22:33] ports throughout the city. Most of these charging stations were installed by an external
[1:22:38] contractor that did design build services for EV charging stations. However, we haven't had
[1:22:44] contract for these services since 2024, and with goals to deploy more charging stations in the
[1:22:50] near future, particularly DC fast chargers, we felt it was time to get a new contract
[1:22:55] to onboard.
[1:22:57] So that brings us to BitSchedule 1544. Here's a quick timeline of gone. So it was
[1:23:05] issued on February 18th of this year with the deadline for questions a couple of weeks later on
[1:23:14] March 17th. And then between March 17th and June 9th, we worked with our purchasing department
[1:23:19] to evaluate the initials of middles and for VWP to evaluate the proposals and on June 9th,
[1:23:30] they issued a purchasing issue to notice of intent to negotiate.
[1:23:36] So the evaluation, we received four qualified proposals.
[1:23:41] And of the four, we ranked bright and move energy as number one.
[1:23:47] There are really a few reasons for this.
[1:23:48] One, they had the best technical proposal of all the vendors.
[1:23:55] There were a approach to project management and construction management
[1:23:57] with much more thorough and detailed than the other proposals we received.
[1:24:03] Two, they have substantial experience with DC Fast Chargers,
[1:24:07] which, as I alluded to, that's something we're looking to do in the next few years.
[1:24:13] And third, they had the second lowest sample project cost. And I'd like to speak about
[1:24:18] the sample project briefly. So the reason we have to do a sample project is because we,
[1:24:24] this contract is more of an open contract for, sorry, it's more of an open contract as needed for
[1:24:32] projects that we're planning. We don't have a concrete plan just yet, so we felt a sample
[1:24:39] project of 10-level two chargers and 10 DC fast chargers was appropriate for rating the proposals.
[1:24:48] And then the board package included a detailed sample projects, prices for each vendor,
[1:24:54] bridegroom included a more comprehensive price list, which was not included as an attachment,
[1:25:00] I believe it's been passed out to you just now. Sorry, could you just mention what you distributed to the board?
[1:25:07] Oh, yeah. So that is a bright move energies, a priceless, that was part of their submittal.
[1:25:13] Okay, and that's in the packet that's posted, right?
[1:25:17] That is not in the packet posted, but it is right here in attached.
[1:25:22] Okay, okay. Thank you.
[1:25:24] And the final note on this slide is that the proposed contract would be for $1.2 million
[1:25:32] for one year with options to extend yearly over the next four years, and the 1.2 million
[1:25:39] is within the approved budget of capital project 2, 2, 1, 6, 4 for EV charging station.
[1:25:45] For the EV charging station program.
[1:25:49] Lastly, just a reminder on how our EV charging projects are funded,
[1:25:53] they're funded through the states, low-carbon fuel standards,
[1:25:57] their LCFS program, and the way this program works.
[1:26:00] If you look at the slide and start at the top,
[1:26:02] BWP earns credits for the electricity
[1:26:05] that we provide for residential EB charging,
[1:26:07] as well as our public and fleet charging stations.
[1:26:11] The credits are sold in the market
[1:26:14] to high-carbon intensity fuel providers.
[1:26:17] And the proceeds from these credits can only be used
[1:26:21] for transportation electrification programs and projects and other activities and what these
[1:26:28] projects and activities do is that they promote EV charging, which increases EV registrations
[1:26:34] in Burbank, increases EV charging sales and allows us to earn more credits and continue the cycle.
[1:26:41] So with that, the recommendation is that the Board of Proving Award contract documents for
[1:26:47] It's scheduled 1544 to brag and move energy in the amount of $1.2 million dollars, and authorized the BWP General Manager to execute the contract in any othercillary
[1:26:57] documents up to an amount available within the approved fiscal year budget. And with
[1:27:03] that, I'm ready to take any questions. Okay.
[1:27:06] Who's
[1:27:06] first? Mr.
[1:27:07] Albany. Sure.
[1:27:08] Thanks. Exciting.
[1:27:10] I have a
[1:27:10] couple of questions. First of all,
[1:27:12] sorry if I missed the detail.
[1:27:14] But the sample, I understand the sample project and then maybe a 1.2 million dollar contract we're deciding on is it decided what is the ratio of a level two versus DC fast charging charging stations the sample project was it was it one or the other was it both.
[1:27:30] So the sample project we included equipment for 10 for a hypothetical project of 10 DC fast charges and 10 level two charges.
[1:27:41] OK, so I guess a follow-up question is, how is it decided what kind of chargers BWP should
[1:27:49] be involved in?
[1:27:50] That's a 50-50 split.
[1:27:52] I guess, I think about if a DC fast charging charger station costs twice as much or 10 times
[1:27:59] as much, I'm not sure, maybe have that in here, how do you decide on the split because
[1:28:05] are we trying to get faster charging or more charging out to residents?
[1:28:10] I would think that one of the ways to get more cars on the street and more residents who
[1:28:15] don't have charging at home to buy any of the is to have accessible, more chargers available.
[1:28:22] But I wonder if you've done this study of what's more, which of those types of chargers
[1:28:27] is going to get more people to buy EVs?
[1:28:29] So, something to interrupt is my deep and help answer this question.
[1:28:33] So, we did have someone that came in last month's talking about getting a parking ticket
[1:28:38] for overnight level to parking.
[1:28:41] So a lot of the push has been for DC fast chargers.
[1:28:45] The two outside here in the customer service parking lot,
[1:28:48] I look at that every day is never empty.
[1:28:51] Sometimes I need to fill up my car with the DC,
[1:28:54] and I could barely make it home,
[1:28:55] but never get an opportunity.
[1:28:57] But so I think they ask from the public
[1:29:00] and the customers have been consistent, quick, non-ticket
[1:29:05] fast charging, so that's probably what we're looking at,
[1:29:08] really is going to come based on what we see and what people are wanting. So we just want to go both ways.
[1:29:13] So that $1.2 million, you might decide to spend it all on DC fast charging. If your sample was
[1:29:19] a split, you can modify the terms of these contract aren't fixed and you have to do a 50-50.
[1:29:26] No, you can see different terms. No, it's not fixed. No, it's not fixed. We can spend it
[1:29:31] depending on what we decide for each side and project.
[1:29:38] Very exciting stuff and just so okay. So
[1:29:40] Again, it's one of the coolest programs, right, the LCFS credits that just, you know, more people use it, the more money we have, the more we can deploy and it just, it's an awesome cycle.
[1:29:49] So, it's not to exceed 1.2 per year, so there might be years that we might not actually use 1.2 per year.
[1:29:56] So, if I may clarify, it's 1.2 for the first time.
[1:30:00] The next year. Okay. And Ms. Sam, did you want to speak? Yeah. It's with options to extend yearly.
[1:30:08] The amount can be decided each year. Okay. It's not 1.2 every single year. Okay. Got it. And the option to extend or the general manager's option to extend. That's right. Okay.
[1:30:19] All of these are going to, or all of the work. I don't know, for instance, all the work that's being carried under this specific bid or bright order.
[1:30:27] It's all public facing chargers or is this, you know, we don't know what we're going to install.
[1:30:31] This might be city lots, chargers, this might be whatever it might be everything.
[1:30:37] Yeah, so it's all for public facing chargers.
[1:30:40] So whether it's that city lots or other locations, it would be for public facing.
[1:30:43] Okay, so it's not like none of its gate restricted chargers that are being.
[1:30:49] So that's what it is.
[1:30:50] So we do have some but we're only low carbon fuel standards are have to be used on public facing chargers.
[1:30:56] So that 1.155 million will go towards that.
[1:31:00] And we could also use it towards BWP funding for something else,
[1:31:03] but really we're focused on the public base in charge.
[1:31:04] Got you.
[1:31:05] And so we have no, at this point,
[1:31:08] we haven't decided where they're going to go yet, correct?
[1:31:10] So we have not, we don't have the deployment map and stuff
[1:31:13] like that yet.
[1:31:14] We have a short list of sites that we're considering,
[1:31:17] but we really need to get a contract
[1:31:19] around work to help us plan the initial feasibility studies
[1:31:23] for those sites.
[1:31:24] Okay, and then you at that point that's when will there be a community component will there be an outreach component to it because I remember if I remember correctly
[1:31:32] You know like some of the ones that were installed different places some folks were
[1:31:36] Disatisfied with the locations outside of their businesses or you know removing parking outside of the senior
[1:31:42] The senior housing that was on that's on clinics and Harvard like so how do you plan to it's not for today never went?
[1:31:48] It's not for you
[1:31:50] The last comment I really appreciated the thoroughness of the staff or even though it's short
[1:31:54] it's sweet, but you also mentioned all the pricing from the other
[1:31:57] proposals and I know that's something like sometimes I so I really
[1:32:00] appreciate that you put all that in there and it had all the
[1:32:03] examples. It helps digest it pretty quickly and go through it and
[1:32:07] not have to ask questions. They what did this guy have? So thank you Mr.
[1:32:12] Chair. And I did want to thank you too that the actual draft contract was
[1:32:16] attached. You know, that's what I asked for going for and I really
[1:32:20] appreciate that's there. And I did go through the entire thing just so
[1:32:24] But I'm retired, so I have a child, but also in the sense of doing this, we still have the other funds available to four rebates to businesses or other private entities too that are looking to put in DC fast charging as well.
[1:32:41] And those could go on private. Those have to be publicly accessible as well, correct?
[1:32:47] If I speak to them, so we'd offer rebates to our customers for EV charging stations.
[1:32:55] They don't have to be public, and if they're not public and they're not in a disadvantaged
[1:33:01] community, they get a lower rebate.
[1:33:04] And if they're not public, we're the funding from that's coming from the front, same funding
[1:33:08] source or different.
[1:33:09] Yeah, it's coming from the same funding source.
[1:33:11] So it doesn't have to be publicly facing, I think.
[1:33:13] So, we get else, so they have to, I think they believe they find over their LCFS to us, so that's the thing that I believe.
[1:33:20] Yeah, so if they get a rebate, they have to assign their LCFS rights to us, which means that we get LCFS credits from the Chargers A deploy.
[1:33:29] So, sorry, I had originally said it has to be all public A-sings, sorry, that is not the case, as long as those that we installed will give us the rights to the LCFS credits using the LFCFS funds.
[1:33:42] but we can use public benefit funds to do separate rebates on that because that is allowed under
[1:33:47] the public benefit usage for some correction.
[1:33:50] Great.
[1:33:50] Thank you.
[1:33:52] I just wanted to say, looking at the pricing on this, I thought the price was actually pretty
[1:33:58] low.
[1:33:59] And so I'm glad we have the, you're setting up the contract in such a way that you can get
[1:34:04] a year's worth to see if it was a low bid and if it's truly able to deliver on those
[1:34:11] and you can extend a year over here.
[1:34:13] I think that's a smart way of doing it.
[1:34:14] So just want to comment on it.
[1:34:16] Thank you.
[1:34:18] Just a quick question.
[1:34:19] We're using capital money for this project, right?
[1:34:24] Yes, we are.
[1:34:25] But that specific capital project is funded by LCFS.
[1:34:29] So OK.
[1:34:30] And I forgot to mention it during the presentation,
[1:34:32] but anything funded by LCFS doesn't affect electric rates.
[1:34:36] Thank you.
[1:34:38] So that's the report.
[1:34:39] I'm like, wait a minute.
[1:34:41] There's no more questions.
[1:34:44] Happy to make a motion.
[1:34:45] Okay.
[1:34:46] Please do.
[1:34:46] Okay.
[1:34:47] Motion in a second to approve the contract.
[1:34:52] All right.
[1:34:53] Mr. Iskender.
[1:34:54] Yes.
[1:34:56] Mr. Malat.
[1:34:57] Yes.
[1:34:58] Mr. Alman.
[1:34:59] Yes.
[1:35:00] Yes. Motion carries.
[1:35:04] Okay, wonderful. Thank you very much. And Adam, I'm sorry, I'm to item 8B approval to enter into professional service agreement with Burns and McDonald McDonald.
[1:35:18] All right. Good evening, board members, Chairman and staff. My name is Sean Heagroll, power production manager, and I'm going to be presenting on a recommendation to enter into our professional services agreement with Burns and McDonald to prepare in all of power
[1:35:32] plant, repowering alternative to study.
[1:35:39] So before we get into the professional services agreement, I'll give a little bit of background
[1:35:42] on the all of power plants.
[1:35:44] So all of this comprised of the all of one in two units, their natural gas fired, conventional
[1:35:49] utility boilers, all of one was commissioned back in 1959, it's a 44 megawatt unit.
[1:35:56] All of two was commissioned shortly after in 1964, and it is a 55 megawatt unit.
[1:36:02] these power plants last ran in 2012, they've been in dry lay-up available for
[1:36:09] generation, but on an emergency basis since then, the main driver for putting
[1:36:13] them into dry lay-up is really efficiency, so these units being built in the
[1:36:19] late 50s or early 60s, they utilize older technology, technologies improved quite
[1:36:24] a bit over the years, so we have much more efficient units like
[1:36:27] only on Lake that if offer a better heat rate than you could get with the all of units.
[1:36:33] In addition to that, being built back in late 50s or early 60s, a lot of the parts are obsolete,
[1:36:39] difficult to get expensive to repair so the decision was made to put those into dry layup.
[1:36:45] Moving on to the reliability piece. So you may be wondering, if they haven't ran since 2012,
[1:36:51] why do we need to repower them? And that's a good question. If we look at the peak load in
[1:36:57] around 320 megawatts. And also, if you look at the graph on the right there, this is some
[1:37:03] recent data from the United States Energy Information Administration. It shows the projection
[1:37:08] for electricity consumption for all sectors in the United States. And you can see over the next
[1:37:13] 20 years as a sharp trend of that increasing. And so we heard some presentations tonight about
[1:37:19] electric vehicle chargers. We talked a little bit about building electrification. All of these
[1:37:24] things are contributing to that load growth that we're expected to see over the next 20 years.
[1:37:29] Now, if you think about our current local generation that we have on site, that would be the
[1:37:33] magnolia power project of which Burbank has a 90 megawatts share, and then as well as the
[1:37:38] lake one power plant, which is 45 megawatts. So we have about 135 megawatts of local generating capacity
[1:37:44] currently, comparing that to the peak load of 320 megawatts, you can see we're less than half
[1:37:49] of our peak load is actually supported by local generation.
[1:37:54] So how do we make up that gap?
[1:37:55] Right now we have a lot of power sources
[1:37:58] that are imported into Burbank system from out of state.
[1:38:01] Things like Hoover Dam, Tietz and Hydra Power Project,
[1:38:04] Inter-Mountain Power Project,
[1:38:05] all the different resources across the Western United States
[1:38:08] that bring that power into Burbank system.
[1:38:10] And that powers brought in via transmission lines.
[1:38:13] And the title of this slide is reliability.
[1:38:16] So looking at the transmission,
[1:38:17] there are some risks there that can impact reliability, we've all seen the wildfires over the
[1:38:22] last few years that can impact transmission lines. You know, as a recent example, up at the
[1:38:28] tides in hydropower unit in Washington, that is owned by Skappa and we are entitled to a 50%
[1:38:34] share of that project. There was a retreat fire up there a few years ago that was wasn't caused
[1:38:39] by the plant, but it actually damaged the transmission line from the plant to the substation.
[1:38:43] So when the transmission line was damaged, that resource was unavailable for an extended period
[1:38:48] time until they made the transmission repairs.
[1:38:51] So you can see how impacts of the transmission system can impact reliability here locally.
[1:38:56] Additionally, if we look at the increase in energy generation, we're going to have to bring new resources online
[1:39:03] in order to meet that projected load growth.
[1:39:07] And the current transmission capacity is constrained, right?
[1:39:10] So, you know, there's only a certain amount of electrons you can get through the existing
[1:39:14] lines and adding new transmission lines is challenging.
[1:39:18] It's both very costly and very time-consuming.
[1:39:21] So, you're looking at 10 plus years for new transmission as well as tens of millions of dollars
[1:39:26] to build that infrastructure.
[1:39:28] So, we talked a little bit about some of the reliability issues with importing power, but
[1:39:33] there's also some local system benefits that are involved with having local generation.
[1:39:38] So having that rotating mass here in Burbank provides a lot of system stability, so you have
[1:39:44] voltage support, frequency support, the generators can kind of respond to system issues and
[1:39:50] help stabilize the system.
[1:39:52] In addition,
[1:40:00] Our local units are dispatchable, so the lake one power plant, we can start that power plant up in 10 minutes, bring 45 megawatts online when we need it, and we can also shut it off at the end of the night when it's not needed.
[1:40:11] It's kind of like BWP's motto always there for you, the lake one power plant's always there for us.
[1:40:17] Lastly, I'll talk a little bit about islanding and black star capabilities, so if there was a major system event like an earthquake or something that took out the entire Western grid, there would be a huge restoration effort in order to get the, you know,
[1:40:29] the grid back online and that would take a lot of time, a lot of energy, but
[1:40:34] Burbank is a city theoretically could open the tie lines between LA and Glendale.
[1:40:39] We have a black start generator that we could use to start Lake 1.
[1:40:42] We could use Lake 1 to start Magnolia and run Burbank as an island.
[1:40:47] I know our energy control center, they're looking at some studies right now that
[1:40:51] is related to islanding and running Burbank as an island.
[1:40:58] One more thing I'll touch on about reliability.
[1:41:00] So this chart is pretty important. If you look at the side on the left, this talks about all of the generating assets that have been decommissioned.
[1:41:07] So the old Magnolia units, the olive 3 and 4 units, you could see over the years we've decommissioned about 162.8 megawatts of local generation.
[1:41:18] In that time, same time period, we have added some generation, namely the Lake One Power Plant that I mentioned, 45 megawatts that went into service in 2002.
[1:41:25] and the Magnolia Power Project, which Burbank shared 90 megawatts that went into service in 2005.
[1:41:32] So we've added 135 megawatts. Now, if you look at that difference there, a little under 30 megawatts were still short.
[1:41:39] And then if you include all of one in two in that number, you know, it's another 99 megawatts, which really is, you know, it's there,
[1:41:45] but it's not really available. It's about 126.8 megawatts of local generating capacity that has been lost.
[1:41:51] And, you know, if we think about that story of the loading precinct, local generation, you know, we've lost a lot of that, it kind of creates a picture where there's a need to add local generating resources.
[1:42:04] So the purpose of this feasibility study is really to look at all the different options out there to replace the all of power plant.
[1:42:11] The heart of the study is a technology evaluation, so it's going to look at basically every feasible technology to replace the all of units that's commercially available proven technologies.
[1:42:22] Some of them are reciprocating internal combustion engines.
[1:42:25] Our neighbors in Glendale just recently installed some more Zilla IC engines, so they're in the process of commissioning those
[1:42:33] Simple cycle gas turbines similar to our lake one unit linear generators. This is sort of a newer technology where natural gas is mixed with air
[1:42:41] And there's a chemical reaction not combustion and it causes these oscillators to move back and forth and create electricity
[1:42:48] fuel cells so hydrogen fuel cells that could you know
[1:42:52] produce electricity through an electrochemical reaction, combined cycle plants, similar to
[1:42:57] Magnolia, super efficient power plants, as well as battery energy storage systems.
[1:43:06] The other part of the study that we'll be looking at is there's a lot of other important
[1:43:09] pieces there.
[1:43:10] One of them is the decommissioning cost estimate, obviously there's a cost involved with removing
[1:43:15] the existing plants.
[1:43:16] There's a site layout screening, which is sort of a high level overview of the site.
[1:43:21] Some of these technologies take up quite a bit of space, so you could see in the
[1:43:24] there, the Magnolia power plant at the top of the campus takes up quite a bit of space, maybe
[1:43:29] it's not even feasible to build a combined cycle plant in the space where all of one
[1:43:33] and two currently are.
[1:43:34] So that's something they'll be looking at, cooling technology evaluation, so some of these
[1:43:39] technologies like IC engines might require a small cooling tower.
[1:43:44] Other configurations like a combined cycle plant would require a large cooling tower.
[1:43:49] You could also install an air cooled condenser that doesn't use any water, but it does take
[1:43:53] up significantly more real estate.
[1:43:55] So kind of looking at the different options there as well as looking at the availability of
[1:44:00] recycled water.
[1:44:01] So magnolia operates on 100% recycled water that's supported by the local Burbank water
[1:44:06] reclamation plant.
[1:44:08] But we'd have to make sure that for whatever technologies available, there's available water
[1:44:12] to support the clean needs.
[1:44:14] Additionally, dispatch and market assessments.
[1:44:16] So that's looking at how these different technologies would perform in the current power
[1:44:20] energy markets.
[1:44:21] So there's different heat rates, different incentives for those units at different times of the day and different markets.
[1:44:29] The conceptual side arrangement would be looking at more than a high level screening, more so like if you actually select an option, how would you actually lay it out?
[1:44:37] Like you put a gas turbine here, a steam turbine here, looking at the actual feasibility of that.
[1:44:44] And then moving on to the project sequencing plan, so this is really like a high level schedule.
[1:44:48] you know, how long is it going to take to get from start to finish, you know, it's going to be a lot of planning,
[1:44:52] permitting, engineering, construction, commissioning, procurement, you know, right now a lot of
[1:44:57] that stuff can take, you know, five plus years to get to the end.
[1:45:00] Not Lisa's environmental permitting. So being that we're in California, there's a lot of strict environmental requirements. So permitting is a huge deal. You have to be able to permit where you're going to build one note that I will mention about the on the permitting side.
[1:45:12] So that all of one in two units, they currently are still on our permit to operate with the South Coast Air Quality Management District. We do have a mission reduction credits allocated for those units. Those credits are valued around $25 million and could be used towards a future project.
[1:45:30] Moving on to, so once we determined what was needed for this study, we went out and put an RFP out.
[1:45:37] We reached out to six different consultants. We received responses from four of them.
[1:45:41] We looked at a lot of different things. We looked at cost, qualifications.
[1:45:44] They're understanding the project, their availability, references, past performance, quite a few different metrics.
[1:45:51] And we also had them, you know, we met with them. They all gave us a presentation.
[1:45:54] And based on the evaluation we did, we selected Burns and McDonald as the most qualified vendor.
[1:46:02] So, you may have heard of Burns and McDonald.
[1:46:04] They're a large global engineering consulting firm.
[1:46:07] They've consulted on over 150 plus gigawatts of energy generation.
[1:46:12] They've done a lot of different roles.
[1:46:15] They've worked with people that are building plants.
[1:46:17] They've also been the EPC contractor, the engineering procurement and construction contractor.
[1:46:21] They're actually building the plants.
[1:46:22] So they have, you know, boots on the ground, a lot of experience actually implementing these
[1:46:26] generation projects.
[1:46:28] They provided a list of references.
[1:46:30] They've worked with a lot of municipalities, a lot of large utilities, so they have a pretty
[1:46:34] strong work history.
[1:46:36] And then the last bullet point, which is important, is they do have a California based team that
[1:46:40] specializes in generation projects.
[1:46:43] Again, as I mentioned, California has a very unique regulatory environment, so having someone
[1:46:47] who's familiar with that and aware of all the permanent rules and different requirements
[1:46:50] is really important to make sure you, you know, actually get a good evaluation and understand
[1:46:56] whether something's feasible.
[1:46:59] So the cost for this study is not to exceed $290,000. We do
[1:47:03] have funds budgeted in the proof fiscal year 2627 budget. They were budgeted in TBD because we
[1:47:10] didn't know who are going to use, which is why we're coming to the board now to ask to spend those funds.
[1:47:16] So with that, I'll give the recommendation staff is recommending that the Burbank Water and
[1:47:19] board authorize the general manager of BWP as a designate of the city manager to enter into a professional
[1:47:25] services agreement with Burns and McDonald Western Enterprises Inc. to prepare in all of
[1:47:30] power plant repower alternatives study. And with that I will take any questions before we move on just a moment.
[1:47:37] Yeah, I'm just going to re-use myself. I have a close personal friend. Hepburns and McDonald's.
[1:47:41] So, continue the discussion. Thank you. Okay. I actually have a question. Sure. You talked about fuel cells.
[1:47:48] I have a deep history with fuel cells and you talk and actually hydrogen bio gas and natural gas
[1:47:56] Sure, I know a lot about that. I worked with fuel cells
[1:48:01] There since I think 2016 so 10 years. Okay. Are you able to talk about what company you're looking at or is that
[1:48:10] confidential or undetermined? That is undetermined at this point. So yeah, Burns and McDonald they'll look at all these different technologies and see what's
[1:48:17] available commercially at what scale and then they'll provide some recommendations
[1:48:22] that and a lot of what I did was fuel cells for municipal districts. This is public
[1:48:28] information so I can tell you the city of Tolerary San Bernardino places like that.
[1:48:33] Okay. So that's why I asked. I'm just professional curious. Yeah, I agree. Thank you.
[1:48:38] Before we move on, the time is now 650. So I think we have to we may go beyond the two
[1:48:46] So is the remaining members of the Board okay with that? Okay, in general manager. I'm right with that. Yes, okay
[1:48:54] Okay, she's a deciding factor. Yeah, we're good
[1:48:58] I just asked the general manager
[1:49:01] Okay, yes, Mr. Almond. Yeah, I have a couple of questions. Thank you very great presentation that you clearly have a lot of knowledge about this
[1:49:10] It's cool that we have these decommissioned power plants
[1:49:13] But I'm a little concerned that this project is this inquiry is really going forth under the assumption that Hey Burbank special we have two decommissioned power plants. Let's use that.
[1:49:26] And I sense that there could be a little bias. I looked at burns and McDonald's website. It looks like they are involved in a lot of different construction projects, not just say gas, shared power plants.
[1:49:38] They did some BESS and solar, so it seems like they wouldn't necessarily have a bias, but they are a builder.
[1:49:46] So if you went to them and say we have these two decommissioned power plants,
[1:49:51] Isn't that cool? Can you come up with an idea for us that you would build potentially?
[1:50:00] I'm a little concerned that they'll just default to this. And the issues that you raised are very valid about
[1:50:08] the increase in demand for electricity. But that applies to every city and every customer in the United States.
[1:50:17] And they don't all have these two decommissioned power plants sitting on their property. And they have to deal with this, too,
[1:50:23] which is, I just don't want us to over index on the fact that we have these 270-year-old power plants
[1:50:31] and be very open-minded to the, if you can turn to page 5, so I'm so glad this has included.
[1:50:37] I just want to make sure there is equal weight put on these alternatives and that there is no bias
[1:50:44] in the way we've approached Brindler McDonald or that they'll come back to us because they want to
[1:50:53] This is not even going to chime in.
[1:50:54] We do not have to decommission in power plants.
[1:50:57] There's still a commission.
[1:50:58] So we still have air permits for that.
[1:51:00] So when I highlight that, so I think the difference
[1:51:01] is we're one of the few that has two commissioned power plants
[1:51:06] where we have alternative options to repower.
[1:51:09] So when I highlight that, secondly, you're
[1:51:11] correct to ask me 35, SB 79, all of these
[1:51:14] unprecedented state mandates.
[1:51:15] Really are going to lead to not having enough reliability.
[1:51:19] So we're looking at all the best options.
[1:51:21] And it burns in McDonald's, they looked at six proposals, these are the best four, and they put out to say,
[1:51:26] X, they looked at four, we're looking at everything equally, we're looking at also reliability and affordability.
[1:51:33] So nothing is an also sustainability.
[1:51:35] We also have to, you know, be cognizant that all three may not happen given the technologies that exist today.
[1:51:41] So what we're doing right now is looking at every single option given that these are not decommissioned.
[1:51:50] Did you do you question answered sufficiently or I appreciate the detail
[1:51:56] Miss Samra but I think regardless of the status of those power plants
[1:52:02] I think the the bigger question is is that really an asset that we want to index on and and it wasn't burns a McDonald
[1:52:09] Approach with what I'm reading here is
[1:52:13] Preparing all of power plant repower alternative study
[1:52:16] So I'm wondering like how, that's the title of the study.
[1:52:21] So alternatives, all of Power Plant plus these alternatives,
[1:52:25] equal waiting, I'm just concerned that
[1:52:28] brands of McDonald's will say, well, we have this study
[1:52:31] and we're going to focus most on all of Power Plant
[1:52:35] Repower as opposed to those six options.
[1:52:38] No, they're all equally weighted, and so I will highlight that.
[1:52:41] We have to look at every single option.
[1:52:43] I am also going to highlight that we are RFP
[1:52:45] for the integrated resources out.
[1:52:47] So this is in tandem to this actually help support that.
[1:52:51] We're hopeful that we'll get the study done quite quickly
[1:52:53] that'll help with the studies in the integrated resources plan.
[1:52:56] That would go to City Council for approval.
[1:52:59] But I just wanted to highlight that the specificity
[1:53:01] is that we do have budgets that decide the reason
[1:53:03] we couldn't do this earlier is obviously I switched hats, right?
[1:53:06] And so I really just want to give Kudos to Sean.
[1:53:08] And it's really capitalizing in the fact
[1:53:10] that we do need a meat reliability,
[1:53:12] where the highest reliability in the area.
[1:53:14] We would love to stay there.
[1:53:18] Any other question?
[1:53:20] Thank you.
[1:53:21] Just a few questions.
[1:53:22] And again, these, I apologize.
[1:53:23] I didn't send these in advance.
[1:53:25] So can you indulge me a little bit and give us a little bit of overview on the other four proposals.
[1:53:30] You received cost variation between four proposals.
[1:53:35] I saw the report mentioned.
[1:53:37] Excuse me.
[1:53:38] You have qualifications, etc.
[1:53:39] But just kind of the high points about like the others.
[1:53:42] Sure.
[1:53:43] We reached out to some pretty large engineering firms.
[1:53:47] Most people in this room have probably heard of at least two of the four.
[1:53:51] We did receive two of them came in very similar and cost to Burns and McDonald's.
[1:53:56] So, one of the other competitors was right there, a little bit more expensive than Burns
[1:53:59] and McDonald's.
[1:54:01] Two of the other ones came in a little bit under.
[1:54:03] They were closer to 100,000, but they were much smaller companies and their experience.
[1:54:09] they haven't had a lot of like EPC contracting experience boots on the ground.
[1:54:13] So this first step is so important to get to get right in order to have a successful future
[1:54:19] project that it was really important to make sure we're picking the best vendor.
[1:54:23] You know, and then initial stages to set us up for success down the road.
[1:54:27] So that was kind of what went into the selection of Burns and McDonald.
[1:54:31] And then we're also approaching this from what you were saying.
[1:54:35] You said to set this up for a future project.
[1:54:37] but this, the feasibility study might come back
[1:54:40] and say that, you know, this is a dud.
[1:54:43] Let's keep those permits, let's keep this exactly
[1:54:45] as it is and we're not gonna, you know,
[1:54:47] we're not gonna repower it, you know,
[1:54:48] it does what it does and the feasibility study says
[1:54:51] it's off the charts expensive, right?
[1:54:53] And like that's it, that is a viable potential outcome
[1:54:55] of said study.
[1:54:58] Sure, yeah, I mean, they're really looking,
[1:55:24] I want to make sure that if the city does come back and say, okay, for our
[1:55:29] 100 million dollars, you can do X, Y, and Z, right?
[1:55:33] Let's bond out a hundred million dollars
[1:55:35] and bake that into rates and we need to do it
[1:55:37] because we need to plan for reliability
[1:55:38] or we need to plan for whatever, right?
[1:55:44] Then there's a true policy question
[1:55:46] of is that the right thing to do right now
[1:55:49] when we are in the midst of what I would call a little bit
[1:55:53] of, not trying to be hyperbolic,
[1:55:55] but I have the storm of rate increases in everything else, right?
[1:55:59] things. Since I've been on the board, I think it was 2011, literally since the day I got
[1:56:04] on the board, we've been talking about these two things. It's been every general manager,
[1:56:12] every power supply side since then for 14 years, 15 years. It's been the dream to do this.
[1:56:21] And so at some point, the question always becomes like, you know, we would love to do something here,
[1:56:27] But do we really have to do something here?
[1:56:31] That's my really kind of high-level question.
[1:56:34] I don't know, it's more esoteric.
[1:56:35] I don't know.
[1:56:35] I'll attempt to answer this as my deep so first and foremost,
[1:56:39] we would go after a grant funding, any sort of,
[1:56:43] forget the below.
[1:56:44] There's a lot on the table for all the new innovative
[1:56:48] type of technologies.
[1:56:49] We do have the Assistant Secretary of Energy coming out next week
[1:56:53] and these are kind of the things that we're pointing out.
[1:56:55] We are looking for funding.
[1:56:56] We're looking for options. I don't want to do massive rate increases or adjustments, so everything would be on the tables
[1:57:02] So after the feasibility study say they give us some cost and if estimates we would go out to seek that funding. That's first and foremost
[1:57:08] I'm confident that we'll get a good amount of funding depending on if it's if we would call it the reliability power project right and
[1:57:16] And then obviously depending on the technology and if it's base load and what your needs are we're also the conduit what keeps other California on with our Magnolia power project
[1:57:24] right this is a reason we have the media industry still here, but that's a really good question
[1:57:29] that I just want to rest assured we would first look at every financing option before we
[1:57:34] really go to the rate portion. It's fair and I mean the credits are the credits are worth a lot of money
[1:57:38] right like it's a ton of money that we continue to rack up all the time. In a couple more small
[1:57:45] questions and I'm pretty sure the board indulging me this would potentially could it be a scap
[1:57:48] a project to where we had participation from other folks and it wouldn't just be us on the hook.
[1:57:53] Great question that has been brought up where it would not be on our books, would not be on our bond rating, and we have looked at that.
[1:58:01] That would be a good financing source, and others are interested in potentially something, so that is something on the table.
[1:58:07] Yeah, the transmission exists.
[1:58:09] And then you mentioned cost estimates. The slide and the report didn't mention that they would provide construction cost estimates, but would they be providing that?
[1:58:18] Yes, correct.
[1:58:19] That's included in the construction cost estimate for each of those different technologies.
[1:58:23] Okay and
[1:58:27] thank you, thank you, we can always come back to you.
[1:58:33] Yeah, I try not to, thank you, thank you.
[1:58:34] I appreciate, first of all, the presentation, I was well put together and well presented.
[1:58:38] Thank you.
[1:58:39] And again, I appreciate you numbered the slides.
[1:58:42] It saves time.
[1:58:43] In the sense of the issue here on the repowering, this is not repairing alternatives for this location.
[1:58:50] And what is the study also going to look at potential combinations of technology
[1:58:56] including potentially two plants, you know, that one would be more environmental
[1:59:01] more of maybe a test bed for lack of a better statement and a more
[1:59:06] traditional. I mean, I know what you need to get to base load reliability. So
[1:59:10] would include those. Yeah, that's correct. There was options there were looking
[1:59:13] out with like a simple cycle turban with batteries or, you know, different
[1:59:17] combinations. One other thing that I didn't mention in that study, but all of the
[1:59:23] last-fired generation that they're looking at is slated to be hydrogen ready, so, you know,
[1:59:28] they are looking at technologies, you know, looking to the future to hopefully eventually,
[1:59:32] you know, convert those to hydrogen, so that would be included as well.
[1:59:35] But they are looking at combinations of the different technologies, like I mentioned, they specifically
[1:59:40] called out this simple cycle with batteries, because that's a configuration that's been installed
[1:59:44] at other sites.
[1:59:46] And I appreciate trying to get this done before it goes into the IRP, and you answered the question
[1:59:50] I was going to ask, in the sense of the IRP process, and I know that's not what run point
[1:59:55] here for, but just to mention, you know, this is something that could have been protected.
[2:00:00] Outside that we could participate in for LA water and power. They would be in the bouncing authority or
[2:00:05] Glendale per Pasadena. Especially since we just went through the GRGC report and boy, someone else could actually have it on their
[2:00:13] books because I assume we have all of Magnolia on our books for GRGR.
[2:00:17] We do for greenhouse gas, but it is on our books. So that's why you see the number. So hi, but there is a small portion that's us, but we do have to report all of it.
[2:00:24] Secondly, with the Integrated Resources Plan, we are currently working with a California Energy Commission.
[2:00:30] They're putting in some limitations on the resources you can add.
[2:00:34] We're lucky that we're innovative last time that we could still include some of those types of resources.
[2:00:38] I will say they're pushing to exclude hydroelectric new resources and new nuclear resources.
[2:00:44] So we are, those are the two viable technologies are actually here and work.
[2:00:48] So that's a big challenge.
[2:00:50] But this would really help us too because it helps fill the gaps with the limitations
[2:00:54] but with the California Energy Commission.
[2:00:56] So the timing is vital.
[2:00:58] We just are a few and out.
[2:01:00] And the guidelines right now have some major exclusions that really wouldn't work for any utility
[2:01:06] in the state.
[2:01:07] So we're pushing against that but this would really help.
[2:01:09] So thank you.
[2:01:10] And just small thing that I didn't have a chance to send it in before either because
[2:01:14] I only looked at this today.
[2:01:15] But in the actual draft agreement that was attached,
[2:01:19] There's a little, it's mentioned, you know, Burns of McDonald, but it's also mentioned
[2:01:24] as 19, or excuse me, 1898 in company.
[2:01:28] So from a point of view of the contract, it seems like it needs to be consistent one way
[2:01:32] or the other.
[2:01:33] Yeah, we worked with our legal with Chris on that.
[2:01:36] So there, the 1898 in Cove is a subsidy of Burns of McDonald, but the actual company that
[2:01:43] we would be executing the agreement with is Burns of McDonald, Western and Enterprises
[2:01:47] Yeah, you might want to do when we're scan of this because I found the 1898 in company not only on the email address, which is fine, but further down in the contract and then the only other knit I found on section 11.3 looks like two sections got merged together if you look at that.
[2:02:07] Okay, we'll take a look at formatting here.
[2:02:09] Thank you.
[2:02:11] Yep.
[2:02:12] Sorry, thank you.
[2:02:13] It came back to me.
[2:02:14] How long for the study to be completed?
[2:02:17] So, the original scope was about six months to complete the study.
[2:02:21] We're pushing on them to try to tighten that timeline up, but there is quite a bit of
[2:02:26] work for them there.
[2:02:27] So, it should be done this fiscal year for sure, but we're pushing to get it done by the
[2:02:32] end of the year.
[2:02:33] Okay, so that leaves into the second question is that the PSA listing had 2.75 million in it.
[2:02:39] Sorry, that was going to be the harder question.
[2:02:40] So that is also including the other studies.
[2:02:43] So we all set a separate light on for EDM and EIM.
[2:02:46] I am just pointing out that we are going to be doing separate studies for that as well.
[2:02:51] So the reason that wasn't expected before is where I moved to but now we're actually moving
[2:02:55] on everything.
[2:02:56] We hired the appropriate staff and I want to give a shout out to Sean because he just got promoted
[2:02:59] to power production manager, which is well deserved.
[2:03:02] So we are probably going to be spending a close to that this year, which is never as really
[2:03:07] but it's because of what's happening in our campus,
[2:03:11] reliability, funded state mandates,
[2:03:13] and even the IRP, we may go above and beyond what it's requested.
[2:03:17] It may be close to $1 million this year
[2:03:19] because we're the lot more additions added
[2:03:21] in about six more bills that we have to comply with.
[2:03:24] So that is kind of where we stand
[2:03:25] and it's kind of you put the number in
[2:03:27] because they just don't know compliance files
[2:03:28] where we're gonna go, but then I'll probably get eight enough,
[2:03:31] quite quickly.
[2:03:34] Thank you. Okay. Are there the only question I had was, do we not have electrical sources
[2:03:44] that were obligated to take that this would sort of be contrary to?
[2:03:54] So I will highlight
[2:03:55] for reliability. We don't really have a lot of options here except the internet and power
[2:03:59] project in Utah that was recently built. We are looking at only solar plus
[2:04:05] storage or wind plus storage for projects going forward. Those are fewer
[2:04:08] far between in the terms and conditions are not fair to our repairs. Third, there
[2:04:14] are some laws out there about carbon, et cetera, but there are options for
[2:04:18] reliability as well. And we've already been reached out by the California Energy
[2:04:21] Commission and others as being a location for reliability resources.
[2:04:29] Yeah, I was talking
[2:04:30] more about. You build it and then you may not even need to run it because you already
[2:04:36] have to buy electricity from other sources.
[2:04:40] So, so thank you. There's not enough. So, with the load increases happening with SB 35
[2:04:44] and SB 79, as of today with all our contracts side, sign we're meeting the obligations
[2:04:50] for today. So, this would give us all the...
[2:05:00] Use those. They're just as he mentioned his Hoover, Palo Verde, Titan, and a couple of solar projects. The solar projects are 32% capacity factor, but currently they would not limit the run of this, but also we don't have to run it a full steam, right? And Magnolia, we've been running quite consistently before the heat wave and minimum levels. So we're looking at optionality. There are two where you don't have to run it at 100 megawatts. Maybe you just run it at 25. So that is all on the table.
[2:05:26] Okay.
[2:05:29] Yes.
[2:05:30] Tell me if you agree with this or not, it might help out a little bit here.
[2:05:33] You need so much base load generation capacity in the basin to have reliability and
[2:05:38] case something goes off that's coming in on a transmission line from a P.P. or elsewhere.
[2:05:43] It's a system of certain minimum that we have to contribute to the bouncing authority.
[2:05:48] And so we're at the minimum right now.
[2:05:49] Yes.
[2:05:50] We're a bare minimum.
[2:05:51] And if we were joined the California Independence System Operator, because our balancing authority did, we would have resource advocacy requirements, local resource requirements.
[2:06:01] And if you buy those, you're looking at hundreds of millions of dollars over a few years.
[2:06:05] If you build it, probably tens of millions over the life of the project.
[2:06:09] Having done this at a couple of utilities.
[2:06:12] We're looking at this because it is going to be the most cost efficient, but also the islanding piece.
[2:06:17] also what if there's a earthquake, we really have to be prepared for that and keep the businesses
[2:06:22] here. And that's what some of the calories so money would go for for looking at e-damp and all that
[2:06:27] and doing a study if I'm not mistaken to be able to figure it out all out with a resource adequacy
[2:06:31] which I can tell you is very expensive. Yep, and you know from when I was here to now it's
[2:06:36] probably about 10 old increase for the same heck of a lot. So that is true.
[2:06:47] That's a whole
[2:06:47] motion to be entertained.
[2:06:57] So moved.
[2:06:59] How are we? We have a motion to approve.
[2:07:02] All second. Okay. We have a motion in a second.
[2:07:05] Can we get the vote please? Yes. Mr.
[2:07:08] Luddy. Yes. Mr. Cherry. Yes.
[2:07:12] Mr. Altman. Yes. Mr. Eskondar. Yes.
[2:07:18] Mr. Malaw is not here.
[2:07:25] Mr. Nielsen. Yes.
[2:07:27] Mr. Smith. Yes. Motion carries. Okay. Wonderful. Thank you. Thank you.
[2:07:40] Okay. Do you want to continue on with information from staff? We have one item for communications and outreach update. I will add it be five minutes. So if you're all okay with that, we would like to proceed. Thank you. Okay.
[2:07:53] Okay, just somebody want to let Mr. Milatt know if he's still here that he can come back in.
[2:08:01] Welcome.
[2:08:01] Hi.
[2:08:02] Thank you.
[2:08:03] Our Munkanian marketing manager.
[2:08:06] Could you be, you know, be four members?
[2:08:07] I'm going to five minutes.
[2:08:09] I want to give you actually two things.
[2:08:11] One is a quick update on our outreach in the community and where we are today.
[2:08:16] And also a quick overview of our last survey we did with our business customers.
[2:08:21] So let's jump into it.
[2:08:22] So first on our outreach with the community, so I was here about three months ago, we mentioned
[2:08:26] and talked about having steady growth, and it was really important for us not just to have
[2:08:30] numbers that are growing, but also having greater engagement with the community, I'm happy to say
[2:08:34] next slide please. I'm happy to say. I'm happy to say. I'm happy to say.
[2:08:39] As if Armando.
[2:08:42] There we go. Okay, sorry about that. So as you can see, we've grown our audience
[2:08:49] at 4.5%, I'm going to show it on the next slide.
[2:08:52] We've also grown our engagement, and that was really our goal.
[2:08:54] So we're setting, we're setting growing,
[2:08:56] and that's the goal, and we're achieving those goals.
[2:08:58] Still very proud of our email performance here.
[2:09:01] As you can see in this regard,
[2:09:02] about just 34%, we're almost double that.
[2:09:05] So our audience in Burbank is very engaged,
[2:09:08] and we're not only maintaining that,
[2:09:09] we're slowly still growing that.
[2:09:10] I mean, honestly getting that number up in your hire will be not that easy,
[2:09:13] but we're definitely going to wish for the moon.
[2:09:17] So this is the slide I was telling you about
[2:09:19] In terms of growth across our different channels, our star performers still linked in, we're
[2:09:23] seeing a lot of activity on that, people really get engaged with LinkedIn.
[2:09:27] A lot has to do with what we highlight on LinkedIn, I mean, thanks to a lot of people in
[2:09:30] this room, indeed.
[2:09:31] But it's a lot of good content out there, I'm really just want to leverage that information
[2:09:34] that people get engaged with us, not just from within Burbank, it's also outside of the
[2:09:38] Burbank, that's the exciting part, you've seen a lot of people from other places looking
[2:09:43] and commenting and telling us the commenting on the things that are happening in Burbank with
[2:09:48] projects and so forth. We've also even seen some growth across the channels that it wasn't really expecting.
[2:09:53] One was being X, just I've mentioned before.
[2:10:00] It's a very not a clean place to be, but we definitely do our best to engage people on X, and again, steady growth, on Instagram and Facebook, even though it's kind of fading, but we still see people coming out of it.
[2:10:13] But I guess at the main point is that we're having that steady positive growth on our engagement.
[2:10:20] What's our plan for the next three months before you see me again? Well, we're going to continue with what we're doing.
[2:10:26] Obviously we know about the outer reports that's pretty big on our list, and that's something we're going to be addressing very quickly.
[2:10:31] with some of the technology we're bringing online.
[2:10:34] We also want to keep featuring the achievement.
[2:10:36] That's what people like to see.
[2:10:37] They like to see what we're doing,
[2:10:38] we're like to see how we're contributing
[2:10:39] to the community.
[2:10:40] It's not about another ad about let's say,
[2:10:43] maybe we give it a rebate.
[2:10:44] It's very important.
[2:10:45] But people want to see what we're doing for the community.
[2:10:47] So we're going to continue putting up the content.
[2:10:49] The last one, they're leading a leadership
[2:10:51] and milestone content.
[2:10:52] That's really one of the things that we want to do.
[2:10:54] So we do a lot of great projects.
[2:10:56] But we want to just talk about the beginning and the ending.
[2:10:58] You want to talk about what happens in between,
[2:11:01] because people are very interested
[2:11:02] to see where projects are progressing.
[2:11:04] So with that, I'm done with this one.
[2:11:06] Any questions?
[2:11:08] Right.
[2:11:10] One more.
[2:11:11] Really quick.
[2:11:13] So we did a survey.
[2:11:15] We done a survey both on a business side
[2:11:17] and residential side.
[2:11:19] Business was completed in August.
[2:11:21] The residential one is still continuing.
[2:11:22] So I want to give a quick overview of the results
[2:11:25] from the business side.
[2:11:27] So we did a survey ourselves in Burbank,
[2:11:28] so we could benchmark ourselves against other utilities
[2:11:31] in California. A company called Great Blue Research did the California part of the research, so they
[2:11:38] reached out to about 500 respondents, excuse me, and we reached out about 90 responses, and they
[2:11:44] combined the two of them to give you some of the overview of how Burbank benchmarks.
[2:11:50] The main number,
[2:11:50] I want to point out here is where the number hit the bottom. Okay, so across the state,
[2:12:00] this is all
[2:12:01] 3%, if I include the investor ones, it's down to about 50%.
[2:12:05] Okay, so that's kind of the higher number.
[2:12:08] And as you can see, we're at 70.6.
[2:12:10] The numbers actually higher.
[2:12:12] The 70.6 represents...
[2:12:14] It
[2:12:17] was the beginning of four or five, so that's the highest rating.
[2:12:20] Most satisfied.
[2:12:21] So that's really something that we should be proud of as a utility,
[2:12:25] that our customers see us in a much higher level than the rest of the state.
[2:12:29] We also have can see again the numbers in terms of as a valued partner
[2:12:33] and also looking at as a community as our value as a community own utility.
[2:12:40] And area we can build upon even though numbers are still pretty good.
[2:12:43] I mean, well over 60% of people see us as a valued partner.
[2:12:47] We want to also increase that number and get even closer to 100%.
[2:12:51] So all of our customers can see us as a valued partner,
[2:12:54] not just the provider of electricity and water.
[2:12:57] We'll go to the next slide.
[2:12:58] So on this slide, the blue shows where we are head,
[2:13:01] the yellow shows areas we can work on. So again, looking at the numbers on top, you can see.
[2:13:07] Sorry, I'm going to point out 12
[2:13:14] .5 points ahead on the race of the rest of the utilities in
[2:13:19] a state. So that's really great. Again, great achievement. The two yellows you see,
[2:13:23] well, the outage one we know about that, we're working on that. It's already mentioned,
[2:13:26] so hopefully we're bringing our outage reporting online in a month or so, a couple of months.
[2:13:29] That's going to address that part of it. The one at the bottom of the water quality is a strange one.
[2:13:34] a lot of customers skip that question or just put an A. So it's kind of skewed the number,
[2:13:39] as you can see, the difference is very low. It's about 3.0 point something. So I suspect that number
[2:13:44] is not really accurate. Again, surveys do contain some error sometimes, not error caused by
[2:13:48] LSBET, just to where people respond to it. So that number is probably equal with the rest of the state.
[2:13:54] But again, I want to report to you the actual numbers we received. So we're going to investigate that.
[2:13:57] I'm looking at that a little further.
[2:14:01] Last but not least, we asked questions about sustainability,
[2:14:03] and added two to out there. Again, Burbank is ahead. Overall, you can see 60.8% of our respondents
[2:14:10] are very, they see environmental sustainability priorities is very important. The state is, you
[2:14:16] know, 50 plus numbers. So again, Burbank is ahead on that. Again, there's obviously an opportunity
[2:14:21] to keep building on this and building awareness with the community about the projects that are working
[2:14:25] on and we intend to do that.
[2:14:28] With that, I'm done.
[2:14:30] I think that was my moment.
[2:14:32] Okay, any questions?
[2:14:34] No.
[2:14:34] All right.
[2:14:35] Thank you very much.
[2:14:38] Okay.
[2:14:39] Any other comments or requests from board members?
[2:14:44] Oh, yes.
[2:14:44] Yeah.
[2:14:45] I would like to request that we agendize the topic of rates, the issue that the customer came
[2:14:53] to talk about and how we can better communicate these great increases to our customers, particularly.
[2:15:00] President General Ghostemers I think it would be worthwhile to have a response to her and others who might have similar concerns.
[2:15:08] Okay. Thank you.
[2:15:09] Okay, you know, just add to that to what we said. Any get an email but we have a detailed response to your customer, but that's great and I agree.
[2:15:17] Okay, can I just ask for clarification?
[2:15:19] Has anybody have action video
[2:15:25] or a website, all that was mentioned,
[2:15:33] or ma'am can you in marketing manager?
[2:15:34] I just wanted to bring what's attention on our website we have a read detailed video on other information about the
[2:15:39] increase and how it looks on your bill. So the questions asked by the customer, they had
[2:15:45] gone through our website, they were gotten the answers. So so I want to say it's out there.
[2:15:49] I mean, you sent this out there on email and our social media as well. So again, we'll continue
[2:15:53] with the outreach, but it is definitely out there for people to see. All right. Yeah.
[2:15:57] Good night. I quickly sent your app there. I ask you totally different question, but it's on the
[2:16:01] communication to the external world. It's all social media reported on what about web information.
[2:16:09] on our website. I'm sorry. Yeah, the website, how many hits do we get? What are people looking at?
[2:16:13] So we're still, since the web has still new and we're still fine-tuning on tweaking things so we're collecting data.
[2:16:19] It's not enough to present yet. So I think towards end of the year, we'll be in that position to present you with the data.
[2:16:25] But I can't tell you just initially looking at the numbers. We're about tenfold more traffic than before.
[2:16:30] More traffic than before. Yeah.
[2:16:34] Yeah, I just wanted to, I want to understand,
[2:16:36] Mr. Altman, the request, just a little bit more.
[2:16:38] Are you asking for an overview about the communication strategy
[2:16:42] or are you asking for an overview about rate design?
[2:16:45] No, I just like to see the communication strategy.
[2:16:48] I think rate design is much more complex.
[2:16:50] And really not the issue that I think she was getting at.
[2:16:53] But I think there is probably going to be an increase in concern
[2:16:56] as people start looking at their bills.
[2:16:57] We've hit now, summer peak.
[2:16:59] you know, the right increase came in and the winter. People didn't notice it then. That was part of
[2:17:05] that was the strategy. Well, I want to say it was strategy, but that's why we're hearing this now
[2:17:13] and it didn't go unnoticed by her, and I'm sure many other folks. So I would like to hear the
[2:17:17] communication strategy, not the right design strategy. Okay, that's one of two. Okay, thank you. Thanks for
[2:17:23] Okay, if that's it, then we will adjourn our next regular meeting is scheduled for Thursday, October 1st.
[2:17:33] In person, here at the boardroom on the third floor of the BWP Ronnie Davis administration building.
[2:17:39] Thank you. Have a good night.