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We'd like to welcome everybody to tonight's meeting of the Burbank Police Commission. We would like to start with the pledge of allegiance and James, we'd like to lead us.

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for that. Let's do the call order. Roll call first.

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Commissioner Chapman. Here.

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Commissioner Coup. Present.

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Commissioner Alman. Oh, chair, Alman.

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I'll respond. Here.

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Commissioner Hockopian. Present.

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Commissioner Hartunian.

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Is out today.

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Commissioner McKenna.

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Present. Commissioner Wenzel.

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Okay, we can all rise now for the pleasure of allegiance.

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and James Lee, if you will lead us, please.

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Public comment will begin shortly and for members here present, which I do not see any.

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You can fill out a card, either wider yellow and handed to the staff, please.

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In person speakers will speak first and have up to three minutes to speak.

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For those wishing to call in, please call 818-238-3335.

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I will repeat that. 818-238-3335.

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Colors will be placed in a queue and will speak after all the in-person comments have been received.

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I think that will move all into the commission announcements and reporting out of commissioners and

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Romic, would you like to start first?

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Thank you, Chairman.

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So on today, I had the honor of joining fellow colleagues and the Police Department at the Police

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Awards at the Marriott today.

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A lot of wonderful deserving officers.

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And we've done a faculty congratulation again for offshore the year, and the wonderful day today.

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So September 11, my attended the 9-11 ceremony in front of the police department, and it was a great ceremony put on by the police department and the fire department, and all things considered, it was a great event.

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That's

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it.

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Mary and I all, we all, and I will met with the Burbank University, you know, USC

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superintendent, which was a very informative, very cooperative meeting.

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I really see an in-road to getting officers back in the schools and getting our students

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more familiar with our police department.

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I also attended the 9-11 ceremony and the police foundation awards today, but on a personal

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I want to extend a lot of an apology to our chief police.

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I retire from a business where nothing is more important than integrity.

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And I do not believe because of your position that you should be.

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People should have the freedom to attack your integrity without.

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Without evidence and without recourse.

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and as a department as a 25-year-old.

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Member of the Government community, I'm sorry, the fact that it constantly is happening, it's embarrassing.

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And I thank you and Lieutenant for your transparency.

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If anybody's paying attention, there's nothing hidden.

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Thank you.

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I did to attend the 9-11 at 6.30 in the morning.

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And it was a perfect setting with the memorial in front of headquarters,

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and the police fire did a great job.

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I also got to attend the lunch and today and was just delighted to see the awards going out to our heroes and to all our police department.

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They do a great job.

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You're turned.

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James?

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No updates for me.

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I also attended the 9-Eleven ceremony.

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Kudos to the peace and fire department for the program they put on.

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And I was very impressed with the community turnout for this year's events.

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I think it was the biggest turnout I've seen in a few years.

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Have we received any cards for public comment?

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No.

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So I guess we have no public comments.

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I don't think we will have any response to

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anybody on the line.

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No colors.

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I guess we have no response to public comment.

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So, we'll move on to the on the agenda.

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Next, we'll be a report on the Ripper Report presentation.

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For the approval of Matt?

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Oh, yeah. Thank you.

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Do we have a roll call for the approval of the minutes, please?

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I'll make a motion number.

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I'll second.

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Okay.

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Paul seconds, sir.

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If we wanted to make a correction, at what point do we do that?

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At the second.

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I'll just go.

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Can't you welcome?

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Do you have a comment for the minutes?

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Did you want to make a comment?

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We have a person in the second.

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That's for us.

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Okay.

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So we're in good shape.

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I just wanted to make sure under the response to public comments,

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I did mention that I had concerns about data control.

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audit and privacy, and I'd just like to include that into the minutes.

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From August 19th?

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Like, from August 19th?

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From the last meeting.

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From the last meeting.

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Yeah.

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I'll speak to you.

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Good.

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Thank you.

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As I have one correction, we were talking about it already.

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It was just the spelling of Joe Swashman, which we've already captured.

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Okay.

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I think we'll move on to, we have to approve it first.

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Yeah. So, we'll move on to the taking the vote to approve the minutes.

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Commissioner Chapman.

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Commissioner Cooves? Yes.

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Chair Elman? Yes.

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Commissioner Huckelby and? Yes.

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And Commissioner McKen. Yes.

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Commissioner Hartunian and Wenzel are absent today.

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Okay, now we'll move on to item of the business item G, the Ripper Report presentation.

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I think it's going to be done by Lieutenant John Fromer.

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Welcome.

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Thank you very much.

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Chair Minelman, police commissioners.

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Thank you.

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It's fantastic to be back in front of you after a little bit of absence.

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Tonight, I'm going to give the presentation on Ripper Information.

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The 10-A-John firmware, the Burbank police again currently assigned to the professional standards bureau.

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So this information will be based on the racial identity profiling network requirements that we have.

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I'm reporting stop data to the California DOJ.

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Then can I move the owns my own slides here?

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You should be able to.

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All right.

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So Assembly Bill 953.

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That's a racial identity.

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Let's go back to the so the racial identity profiling act was introduced by the California State Legislator

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Legislator to help in racial and identity profile.

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The bill required all law enforcement agencies in California to collect perceived demographic and other detailed data regarding pedestrian and traffic.

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The perfect stop. The perfect police department began this data collection in 2022.

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The application system that we use, the software system that we use to collect this information is made by veritone. Officers commonly referred to it as the RIPA system. That information is input by the officers and then sent to the DOJ. Once it's been submitted it goes to supervisor approval and then it will come to me as the Lieutenant of Professional Standards Bureau.

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to do an ultimate review before sending to the California DOJ.

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A little bit of change from when they reported this last year to you.

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So current populations increase a little bit.

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So 104,000 population for the city of Burbank itself.

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Detime population numbers tend to remain the same over the last couple of years about 250,000

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of our daytime population and that's going to include visitors, workers,

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shoppers, anybody that wants to come to the city of Burbank.

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outside of our own constituents, our own residents.

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To give you a breakdown of the burbank,

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this city demographics, look at the chart here.

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It looks primarily you have your 54% white.

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25% Hispanic, 12% Asian.

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You have 3% of black or African American.

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And then you have less than 1% of American Indian

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or Alaska native and Hawaiian or other Pacific Islander.

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When you compare that to Los Angeles County

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ethnicity demographics, there's a slight change.

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You have the Hispanic population of 49.3%

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followed by white at 24.6.

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Asian at 16.6.

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Black or African America at 8.9%.

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American Indian or Alaska native at 5.2.

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and Hawaiian or other Pacific Islander at 0.4%.

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Now if we get into our actual stop data,

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there you'll notice a difference from this information

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will be for 2024.

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I included information from the prior presentation for 2023

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to be able to do us like comparison over the two years.

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And the reason why the information is 2024

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because California DOJ produces the report in January by January 31st.

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The report produced this year in 2026 was for 2024D.

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So next presentation we do for you will be for 2025D.

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If you look here, self-initiate activity versus calls for service.

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So did the officer generate this contact himself by observed his own observed activity?

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or was he dispatched to the call for call for service from the citizen or a business.

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You see the pattern here between the last two years.

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Primarily, this is officer self-initiated activity compared to calls for service.

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We got about 20,000 calls total for 2023 and last year there was about 16 and 1,000 calls.

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So you see a reduction in the total number of contacts that the officers have.

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Again, the information on some of the information, the officer's document, is their perception of their ethnicity, sexual orientation, gender, these things are supposed to be on the officer's perceptions.

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In law enforcement, if you've done the rightologues, it's not always easy when you're stopping a car or in the middle of the night or at the sun to see who's driving a car or actually see who you're stopping until you actually stop them and make contact with them at the car.

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If you look at 2024, 86% of the contacts the officers did not, we're not able to form a

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perception about those characteristics of the individual they contacted until they actually

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mean contact. About 14% of those calls, they actually formed a perception.

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In 2023, you'll notice

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that a higher percentage the officers at 92% were unable to form a pinions or a perception

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about the person contacted and only 8% that they formed those opinions prior to making

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If you do stops by perceived race or ethnicity,

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when you put 2023 next to 2024 in this chart,

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the orange will represent the 2024 blue 2023. As mentioned, there was less contacts over all for

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2024, but if you look at the trend, it's very similar to the pre-

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Please share 223 information.

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For the perceived race or ethnicity, you have white followed by Hispanic Latino, followed by black African American, followed by Middle Eastern or South Asian, followed by Asian, and then you had minor contacts with Pacific Islander or Native American.

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And we have listed here on this next chart.

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This is the basis for the search if a search was conducted.

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If you noticed, our highest category, no search conducted.

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So there's contacts with citizens and people in the field, but the officers are not requesting

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or not doing a search of that subject.

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A lot of these are going to be traffic stops for traffic violations or some of the

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finds no need or justification to move forward with any investigation and they just have a content.

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Then if you go down, I'll give it in order, so then consent given.

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There's about 2,500, just over 2,500 searches done where the person contacted gate consent.

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Incident to arrest means the officer established an up-problem cause to arrest the subject for criminal violation.

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That was 7208 and then for officer safety or safety of others, typically what we would call

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this is a Pat Downs Church where the officer believes they could possess a weapon.

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There was only 146 of those searches.

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Visible contraband, 35 evidence of a crime, 28, condition of parole, probation, post-relief

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supervision, community supervision, or mandatory supervision, there was 47.

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But then if you go down the list, you have vehicle inventory, search warrant, suspected weapons,

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odor of contraband, or exigent circumstance.

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Those numbers are very minor compared to the overall statistical data.

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Result to stop.

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This is what the officer's documented.

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I conducted a stop or a contact.

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Here's the result of what I did with that action.

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Number one would be a citation for an impression.

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Again, primarily a lot of these are contacts for traffic violations.

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Warning or whether verbal or written.

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That's got to be a second category of just over six and a half, six thousand five hundred.

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custodial arrest without a warrant,

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meaning officer determined a crime had involved no war in certain vault.

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1,836.

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This field interview card completed.

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This is where the officer determined that this is something we should document the contact

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I had.

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More information being put in our computer system, so other officers are aware of this subject

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that we contacted frequently out of these subjects on probation, parole, for robbery,

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some more serious felony crimes.

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That may or may not have some purpose to be in the city of Burbank.

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They don't work here.

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They don't live here but they're visiting here but it may be reason for them to just make

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nowhere. No action, as a result, typically some of those will be a

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consensual contact where they're asking somebody that may look like

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their involvement suspicious activity, but determine there's no

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suspicious activity. They have a justification to be where they aren't

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doing what they're doing. Infield site release, some of these are on our

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low-level misdemeanor crimes that don't require us or

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weren't booking them in our jail and then you have custodial

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rest pursuant to an outstanding more, we get several of those throughout the year, and then

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you have our psychiatric hold for welfare and institution codes. This is more for mental

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health assistance and care, and then contact with a parent or legal guardian for some

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of our juvenile crimes, and then non-criminal transport for caretaking, sometimes that's

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just have to transport somebody, we'll get caretaking calls on subjects, either lying on a sidewalk

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being in the street.

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Some people that are actually suffering a medical episode that we have to arrange transportation

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to the hospital.

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If you look at our warnings versus citations issued by perceived race and ethnicity in 2024,

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You can see it's going to be the information here is very similar to the contacts and

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stops we had in 2023, where majority of the contacts were white and Hispanic or Latino.

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And then that will be followed by black African American, but you can see the number difference.

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you know, you have just over 4,000 for white.

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In 2020, I'm sorry, let me give you the 2024.

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So in 2024, you

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You had just over 4,200 citations issued for white, versus 26, just over 2600 warnings issued,

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but it's going to be very similar pattern when you have, let me give you the other ones here.

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So for the Asian population, you had slightly more citations issued than mornings for Middle Eastern

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or Southern Asian. You had the same. But then when you look at the Hispanic Latino

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population, Middle East, I'm sorry. Black African American, they receive far more warnings

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in citations issued.

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When you look at a respite perceived racer at this city, again,

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primarily in this is Hispanic or Latino at 873, followed closely by white at 816.

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Then you see a pretty good drastic reduction, and then you have Black African American at 309 Middle Eastern

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or south Asian at 77 and Asian at 44.

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If you do warning and citation and arrest all three categories

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by perceived gender,

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male subjects,

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lead all the categories for all three of those, whether

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it be warning citations or arrest. Follow by female, but when you see in the female category,

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They receive slightly more citations than warnings, and then when you get to gender non-conforming a transgender man or woman those numbers are very small compared to for the context that we had in the city of Birmingham.

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The only thing that stood out from 2023 to 2024 was a slight increase in the numbers generated for gender non-conforming.

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reasons for stop, perceived based on perceived race or ethnicity, if you look at the traffic

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violations by far, just over 7,000 were issued to white ethnicity, followed by Hispanic,

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which again a lot of these numbers are matching our city demographics.

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That's followed by black African American with a drastic reduction from white and Hispanic,

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And then from there, Middle Eastern South Asian, followed by Native American, and I'm sorry, yes, it has a Native American and the nation.

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Reason for stop by perceived gender.

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Traffic violations, again being the number one category, but if you see there, it's male, followed by female, and then very small numbers for transgender men, transgender women,

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and gender non-conforming.

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And then if you look also at reasonable suspicion

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that the person was engaged in criminal activity,

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male subjects being the number one category

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stopped and contacted by the police, followed by female.

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The other categories were very small.

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For knowledge about standing arrest warrants

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and consensual encounter resulting in an actual search.

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New reporting categories that came out in 2025.

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I apologize this again, this data that we're going through

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for 2024. So next year, the information is going to include what the information that we have been collecting

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since 2025 have been zip code of the people contacted and then parole probation status to be helpful,

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which is going to be very helpful information determining the people that were contacting on these

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enforcement stops. Are they burbank residents or are they coming from outside of the city?

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Just to final thoughts on this, again,

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we take this serious or we get good commentary and

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good feedback from the California DOJ on our reporting on the data that we're reporting

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and that we report it in a very timely manner.

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Some other agencies have a little more struggles getting that.

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I believe this comes from our supervision and management of this process and of our personnel

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that are actually doing the enforcement contacts in the field.

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So we received high marks from California DOJ.

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We have policies and procedures that back this to produce the culture that the officers are reporting this data in a timely manner, and then training for all of our new personnel when they come on as the Lieutenant of Professional Standards Bureau are responsible for giving them one and a half hours of training on the importance of reporting this information and to have it done in a timely manner.

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And this is back through our field training program so that we build that culture from the very beginning because again, this is a state mandated program and they're mandate that we provide them with this information.

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And then from there we do our own internal audits inspections and that is not required through the assembly bill, but we do want to make sure that our officers are reporting this information.

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So, we do semi-annual and annual audits on this information, and then from there we do have

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oversight boards, as well as the police commission, the Office of Independent Review, and any

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problematic issues, anything that needs to be addressed can be sent and forwarded to our internal

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affairs bureau for tracking.

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And then with that, I'll open that up to questions.

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Thank you very much for your presentation, Lieutenant.

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Does anybody in the commission have any questions for the Lieutenant?

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I have some questions and comments.

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So again, Jonathan, thank you for the report.

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I'm appreciating this.

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A couple of just observations real quick.

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I just appreciate, you said this towards the end that some of the work that the department is doing is going above and beyond the assembly bill.

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So I just wanted to lift that up and, you know, how much I appreciate that.

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We've talked about it here in the past and just the importance of not just doing constitutional policing.

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But what does it mean to go above and beyond for the needs of the community and the integrity of the department?

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So thank you for that. I'm really excited to get to see the zip code data next year too.

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That's going to be huge to help with this.

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In the category of you get what you measure.

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I'm curious you were talking about the 90 minute training and you were talking about ongoing checks and balances for this and making sure the reporting is being done spot checking.

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Can you describe it all what the conversation is like, both in the training to prepare new officers

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to use to collect this information and an ongoing basis?

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I'm particularly curious, our officers experiencing this as a hassle, are they engaged in

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the conversation?

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Is there a pushback on the conversation?

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I know how serious you're taking it, and I'm just curious if you can give a flavor of what

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those conversations are like.

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Yeah, so I do, my conversations are primarily related to the new officers, so those

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conversations are very energetic and they're very receiving primarily because I'm

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a lieutenant and they're brand new and they know they have to do what I tell them

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that helps.

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Unfortunately I'm not in patrol any longer to have those ongoing or continuous

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conversations with the patrol officers or the detectives that are doing this

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on an ongoing daily basis, but I don't personally hear the grumbling or any of

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than expressing that this is a hassle or a problem.

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Okay. Obviously there was a gap in the information being collected because as a police

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department, we report the criminal incitations statistics. We weren't keeping any detailed

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information other than in our cab system on context that we have, but if it doesn't result

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in any enforcement action, then it's not something that we report to the FBI. Previously it

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was a uniform crime reporting. You know that's gone to neighbors, the national incident

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based reporting system, but it's just a general context that don't result in any enforcement

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action.

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That wasn't something that we had a robust system to pull up information, if that makes sense.

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So this is what the Assembly Bill was trying to establish by, okay, you're having hundreds

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and hundreds of contacts.

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If you talk about the entire state, it's millions of contacts on an annual basis.

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So they're looking to glean information statistical information to see if there are issues

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with the context being made by law enforcement.

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Are there.

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Does this report go beyond the commission?

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Does this go to the city council or anything like that?

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Well, this presentation I don't do for city council.

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So it's done at the request.

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Just for here.

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I was going to make a recommendation for future.

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I got a chance.

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Thank you, Mike.

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And thank you, Evelyn, for sending in out.

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I got a chance to take a look at the executive summary.

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Which includes percentages.

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Throwing out there.

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If you can include percentages on some of their party.

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might actually be a little bit easier for us to, because one of the things that the executive

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summary reported was concerns that numbers are still high. There's still disparities

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in contextual stops and racial profiling. And so that would help us have to kind of compare

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what's going on in Burbank compared to other places. And the zip code information in addition

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to that in the future would be really helpful to figure out, are we talking about residents in

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the city, or are we talking about folks coming into the city and what that looks like so I'd

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appreciate that.

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The last comment I've got in and I just want to throw that there's the commission as well. You mentioned about how the commission plays an oversight role with this. I just want to lift up that we actually wouldn't get that because it would be theoretically a personnel investigation and we don't have access to any of that.

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So we wouldn't know unless it's brought to our attention and it would just be handled internally. So I just wanted to lift that up as a space where we can advise based on the report and based on the information that we're looking at.

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But we as a commission will never know if there's if there is an issue within the department unless unless it gets brought to our attention

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Really outside of the normal process of information comes to us because we don't we don't get to be involved in investigation work it all so

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Right.

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Yeah, I didn't mean to be misleading with that. It's more of the oversight of the fact that we do do share this annual information and report with you so that we actually have people of the community looking at the actual data

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Yeah, and we're not keeping it to ourselves.

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Sorry, apologize if what I said was a little bit.

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No worries.

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No worries.

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OK.

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Thank you.

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All right.

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Mike?

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Good.

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Thank you again for your report.

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I've got several questions.

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A comment from what James said is,

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would you get some reporting?

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It's been a while, years, from OIR, when they did email

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reference of things. In the report that we received today, this is the state report.

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Do we have the statistics for Burbank?

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This information in here is for Burbank?

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These are all Burbank.

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Right, so if you go to the California DOG website, you can pull up their statewide report.

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It's released at the end of January every year, but it's about a year and a half

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So it's 420.20.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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Good.

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So next January, you will have the data for 2025.

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Is the reporting for the local, as well as for the state, shared with all of our

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officers?

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We share our information with our officers, especially when we go through our audits and then

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at the end of the year, we share information with our managers that share with the officers.

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especially on how we're doing and if there's room for improvement.

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So the managers in row call frequently,

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frequent reminders to make sure to have the information be accurate and timely

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and the importance of reporting the information.

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But they do get us an absence of the information overall.

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In Los Angeles, which is separate from Burbank,

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They did do some restrictive pretextual stops.

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Do we have those same type of restrictions in Burbank or because we're, excuse me, separate

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community, we go our own way.

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Correct, each agency, that was an administration of the police department decision primarily

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done through their oversight boards.

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That was not something that we've done in Burbank, Lendil Pasadena areas.

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So, so our policy would not shift to being like LA's.

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Okay.

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All right.

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Looking over the state reports for the last couple of years,

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I have a little trouble in the demographics

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reflecting our community, our Burbank community.

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And I'll tell you where I'm going here.

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There are different groups that we've had in the past that have had issues with the slurs

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or aid or something.

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And in this report, it appears that our Armenian community is in with the all-white community,

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correct?

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just not separated out.

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I don't know if there is, I'm going to be making a motion a little bit later regarding this.

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Yes, it's just interesting to me that that focus, because that could change the look of the demographics quite a bit.

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But it does not reflect our community and reality.

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Right, and that could be a request made through the chief, but there's a 1925.

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Court case, thank you. That established that how we do the demographic counting and the Armenian population has included in white for that purpose.

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It's the state that is making up the category, sir.

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Correct. According to census data.

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I'm sorry. According to census data is how the information is being recorded.

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federal in

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regards to the report profiling the Supreme Court okay profiling for

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for racial profiling.

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Does that affect us?

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Are we allowed to do profiling either by the state or the feds?

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Right, so we don't, I can't speak for the federal agencies.

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But when I can speak for California law enforcement,

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we do not do racial profiling.

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So the beauty of our law enforcement is we are impartial.

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And basically the observations you have in front of you

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establish the facts that you have and what you can act upon legally.

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We don't act with prejudice.

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We're not discriminatory actions based solely on somebody's perceived gender-raise sexual

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orientation.

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That's not how we conduct law enforcement operations or enforcement operations.

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It would be illegal for us to simply engage in enforcement because if somebody's racer

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ethnicity.

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The race can be a determinant factor based on the totality of the circumstances, depending on what incident that officer is dealing with.

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Race alone is on its own is completely illegal.

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So what we do is we profiling for us, we're trying to be profiling or somebody's committing a violation of our several codes.

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vehicle code, penal code, health and safety, all of these codes that we have for enforcement

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actions. We can profile for does this mean a violation of this code, not based on race.

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James brought up a little of something I see that we're using use bear tone system, correct?

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Is that system separate from our reporting system or is that part of the same?

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It's a separate system, so it's not part of our CADRMS, our report management system, or a computer-rated dispatch system.

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So does it kind of like, or are people to do a report and then separately do another report?

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Only sometimes that depends on if it's an arrest. Yes, we're doing an arrest report and information if it's a citation that information goes in there.

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If it's a routine traffic stop where the officer just uses basically letter the law,

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spirit of the law versus letter the law, they're using education versus enforcement

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where they say you committed this violation, please drive safer and send them on their

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way.

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That's not captured in our system other than in the computer A to dispatch captures the plate

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of the vehicle, the date and time of the stop and the officer involved with that

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stop.

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but we don't capture personal information of the driver.

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The baritone system is built specifically to fulfill this request and mandate from the state of California to provide them with this information.

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So this is not information that we're always going to capture.

462
00:38:59,910 --> 00:39:03,430
If it's in a restaurant citation, yes, we capture that in our own systems.

463
00:39:04,070 --> 00:39:11,870
If it's not, we don't retain or capture that information other than the computer-rated dispatch on the basic information.

464
00:39:11,870 --> 00:39:12,990
of the stop.

465
00:39:15,860 --> 00:39:22,760
So, but sort of depends then if the information is captured or not, it's not captured

466
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:29,200
100 percent. Correct. So the information we send to the DOJ, there's no personal identifying

467
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:34,560
information. It's supposed to be some perceived categories that the officer has versus very

468
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:40,420
factual information on the stop itself. Date time location, what did you stop them for?

469
00:39:40,420 --> 00:39:45,320
did you search them? Why did you search them? Did you recover evidence? What was the result of the stop?

470
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:54,060
That information goes to DOJ. That's not always going to be information that is going to be captured in our independent systems.

471
00:39:55,540 --> 00:39:58,220
What do you think, what kind of time is this taking?

472
00:39:59,240 --> 00:39:59,960
You've done your...

473
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:04,460
Regular reports. But now you've got to do this separate report.

474
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:10,840
Is it like a two-minute, ten-minute lesson?

475
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,540
You know, it is just going to be adding a lot of time on to your work.

476
00:40:14,820 --> 00:40:26,620
Right. No, it's less than two minutes. The most officers can get this done in a minute to a minute and a half. The app is on their city provided, department provided cell phones.

477
00:40:26,620 --> 00:40:28,420
And it's filled by field.

478
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:30,420
The officers go through it very quickly.

479
00:40:31,340 --> 00:40:32,140
All right.

480
00:40:32,140 --> 00:40:33,100
All right.

481
00:40:33,100 --> 00:40:33,480
Cool.

482
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:35,400
I appreciate your answers.

483
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:36,360
Thank you very much.

484
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:37,680
Thank you.

485
00:40:37,820 --> 00:40:38,120
We're all good.

486
00:40:38,240 --> 00:40:39,120
I saw your hand now.

487
00:40:39,580 --> 00:40:40,900
Thank you, Chair Alman.

488
00:40:41,620 --> 00:40:42,160
I was kind of former.

489
00:40:42,500 --> 00:40:44,140
Thank you very much for that wonderful presentation.

490
00:40:46,060 --> 00:40:48,600
I've been on right along with officers who've gone through that report.

491
00:40:48,740 --> 00:40:49,380
And you're absolutely right.

492
00:40:49,540 --> 00:40:50,320
It takes a couple of minutes.

493
00:40:50,460 --> 00:40:53,540
It's just sometimes like they would pull over after a stop.

494
00:40:53,540 --> 00:41:00,060
that would just fill out the report, and we'll take a couple of minutes, and then we'll be on our way to the next call.

495
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,040
So I've seen that happen. It seems like it's a very quick process.

496
00:41:04,580 --> 00:41:08,800
But in regards to, I just want to comment on what you said about our meaning and

497
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:14,420
being part of the consensus. Our means have always been part of the Caucasian culture.

498
00:41:14,720 --> 00:41:18,760
I mean, the Caucasian ethnicity, and the reason why is because historically my ancestors

499
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:22,760
came from the lower Caucasus mountains, which is, you'll be surprised when you go

500
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:24,700
or media how many people don't look like me.

501
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:30,240
So one thing is that I know there's two lobbying groups

502
00:41:30,240 --> 00:41:31,500
that are meeting somebody of America

503
00:41:31,500 --> 00:41:33,060
and the ANCA who are currently working

504
00:41:33,060 --> 00:41:35,320
with the Romanian Caucus to address these concerns

505
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:40,080
in regards to consensus and how the ethnicities identified.

506
00:41:40,660 --> 00:41:42,240
So I know that's a bigger conversation

507
00:41:42,240 --> 00:41:43,880
of what anything can happen locally.

508
00:41:46,450 --> 00:41:47,270
So yeah.

509
00:41:47,270 --> 00:41:50,390
It kind of sounds like it's a little nebulous

510
00:41:50,390 --> 00:41:52,330
how you define that.

511
00:41:52,330 --> 00:41:58,210
If you do it by country, by some broader ethnicity,

512
00:42:00,590 --> 00:42:03,910
it's not an easy, that's that, you know.

513
00:42:04,250 --> 00:42:05,330
It's a big conversation now.

514
00:42:07,150 --> 00:42:07,750
Great.

515
00:42:08,050 --> 00:42:08,550
Thank you.

516
00:42:09,750 --> 00:42:10,910
All they can have anything?

517
00:42:12,330 --> 00:42:12,630
Yes.

518
00:42:13,550 --> 00:42:18,690
First of all, I'm happy, essentially, that Armenia is not a category.

519
00:42:20,550 --> 00:42:24,370
My grandfather told me about Irish and Italian discrimination.

520
00:42:25,410 --> 00:42:28,330
So, only two generations away from that.

521
00:42:28,770 --> 00:42:32,850
And the fact that it's one category, I think it's a major step forward.

522
00:42:33,330 --> 00:42:34,250
And it shows progress.

523
00:42:35,970 --> 00:42:40,030
I don't know how they do it, but I know the NYPD's police commission.

524
00:42:40,910 --> 00:42:45,830
They just started tracking 911 calls by neighborhoods.

525
00:42:45,890 --> 00:42:46,790
I guess by ethnicity.

526
00:42:46,790 --> 00:42:50,810
So, the words, why are we oversaturated in the state where we will because that neighborhood is calling?

527
00:42:52,290 --> 00:42:54,130
I don't know how that would be done. I don't know if it's necessary.

528
00:42:54,590 --> 00:42:57,230
But I thought it was an interesting in line with your report.

529
00:43:00,670 --> 00:43:08,230
And the Disip Code, Verbank Resonance, employees, and then a category maybe for passing through.

530
00:43:08,970 --> 00:43:15,430
Because I think of our employees as quasi-resonance, as you said, there's 250 of them every day.

531
00:43:17,110 --> 00:43:25,250
But the one's passing through in a lot of respect for opportunities, and I think those are probably the people that we need to be concerned on.

532
00:43:25,370 --> 00:43:27,030
Thank you so much for your support.

533
00:43:27,410 --> 00:43:28,130
Thank you.

534
00:43:29,950 --> 00:43:31,850
Again, thank you very much for your report.

535
00:43:32,870 --> 00:43:39,890
I haven't done a ride along in a while, so last time I did it, the RIPA information was done manually.

536
00:43:41,210 --> 00:43:44,330
And now you're using the baritone app.

537
00:43:44,970 --> 00:43:48,530
The baritone app is basically our linkage to the DLJ.

538
00:43:49,170 --> 00:43:49,670
Correct.

539
00:43:49,990 --> 00:43:53,210
So that information ultimately belongs to the DLJ.

540
00:43:53,790 --> 00:43:57,350
Baritone is the software application company that collects it

541
00:43:57,350 --> 00:43:58,810
and forwards it to the DLJ.

542
00:43:59,470 --> 00:44:04,350
Do you have any ability to pull reports before get set to the DLJ

543
00:44:04,350 --> 00:44:05,490
or you're just a little bit?

544
00:44:05,670 --> 00:44:08,690
When we do audits, we look at just to see that information

545
00:44:08,690 --> 00:44:14,010
is matching, but I can't, basically, the detailed information we will pull for these reports

546
00:44:14,010 --> 00:44:17,290
once DOJ releases the information in their annual reports.

547
00:44:18,550 --> 00:44:23,770
I've just asked it this, they seem to be very slow at collecting and analyzing data.

548
00:44:25,250 --> 00:44:30,810
And I think what would be helpful is I can have a discussion with the chief, because this

549
00:44:30,810 --> 00:44:35,230
report is released in January. Maybe we try to schedule something before you in March,

550
00:44:35,230 --> 00:44:38,710
that will give me time to compile the information.

551
00:44:39,390 --> 00:44:44,490
I will take what Chairman Coombs has requested for percentages.

552
00:44:45,230 --> 00:44:47,370
And we can also, if you look at the DOJ report,

553
00:44:47,690 --> 00:44:51,290
there are several categories that they're looking at here.

554
00:44:51,890 --> 00:44:54,630
So I can review that to see if we can incorporate

555
00:44:55,170 --> 00:44:58,050
some more information out of the helpful to you.

556
00:44:58,670 --> 00:44:59,970
I'll also looking forward to the zip.

557
00:45:01,180 --> 00:45:08,920
I think somebody else has any james? I think Mike said he had a to Joe emotion that you wanted to make

558
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,520
regarding this. I

559
00:45:14,910 --> 00:45:24,670
feel pretty strongly. I understand what you're saying. But I feel pretty strongly that it would be important

560
00:45:24,670 --> 00:45:26,130
that our

561
00:45:28,310 --> 00:45:31,450
demographics be more precise.

562
00:45:32,670 --> 00:45:38,970
There's areas like Burbank, Glendale, there's areas of North, where the segment of the

563
00:45:38,970 --> 00:45:43,210
community is much broader than what's being shown in the report here.

564
00:45:44,090 --> 00:45:52,310
I'm going to suggest this is my motion is that we have our commission secretary right

565
00:45:52,310 --> 00:46:01,890
letter to the RIP aboard and ask them to take a look at the options for defining

566
00:46:06,740 --> 00:46:15,520
Armenian, Middle Eastern, that segment of our community this not being really separated out.

567
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:24,740
We might want to send a copy of that letter as well to our Assembly, Nick Schultz.

568
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:32,720
Mr. Chair, before this discussion goes on any further, you are an advisory board to the council.

569
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:37,800
If you're going to take action, the action is to make your recommendation to council,

570
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:42,660
so that council can give you approval as to whether or not they want you to take an action.

571
00:46:42,660 --> 00:46:54,660
You don't have the authority to send a letter on your own on behalf of the police commission to anybody without being granted that authority by council.

572
00:46:55,140 --> 00:46:56,960
Okay, I can go with that.

573
00:46:56,980 --> 00:46:57,180
Okay.

574
00:46:57,420 --> 00:46:58,100
You as a private.

575
00:46:58,380 --> 00:47:09,120
I'd like to make a modification that that would be going to our city council and ask them to perhaps follow up with that.

576
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:12,200
May I comment, will you open for discussion?

577
00:47:12,540 --> 00:47:13,100
No, I'm asking you.

578
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:18,740
Let's try to keep it short because we are on a two-hour meeting.

579
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:20,480
So, Paul, please go ahead.

580
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:23,480
You notice he said that when Paul's going to read a talk.

581
00:47:26,180 --> 00:47:31,140
I think for some vocation, I understand what you're saying, but maybe it would be based

582
00:47:31,140 --> 00:47:32,160
on primary language.

583
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:38,900
If we pull someone over in their primary language, is that it in English, I don't know if

584
00:47:38,900 --> 00:47:44,620
would be probably easier to track, but I'm sure that's more problematic for our officers as

585
00:47:44,620 --> 00:47:48,620
opposed to breakdown of what all do respect skin tone and perception.

586
00:47:50,260 --> 00:47:58,640
I think that would be kind of nebulous too because you have helped me if I'm messing

587
00:47:58,640 --> 00:47:59,340
up here.

588
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:03,100
You would have Russians and you have other languages being involved here.

589
00:48:03,100 --> 00:48:09,340
So the thing about being Armenian is it's not like you're Armenian and that identifies you.

590
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:10,460
My wife is Armenian.

591
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:14,140
I was going to write on Persian Armenian culturally, we're very different.

592
00:48:14,500 --> 00:48:17,700
And the way we're identified is very different within our communities.

593
00:48:17,900 --> 00:48:21,360
So you have, in this community, you have Russian Armenians, you have Persian Armenians,

594
00:48:21,460 --> 00:48:26,480
you have Armenians who are from Armenia, you have Lebanese Armenians, you have Jordanian

595
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:27,040
Armenians.

596
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:33,020
I mean, just saying Armenians across the board would not make sense because each

597
00:48:33,020 --> 00:48:36,400
different every person identifies and they come from a different country.

598
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:42,900
So I personally couldn't support your motion just because I'm working with the

599
00:48:42,900 --> 00:48:46,260
Armenian Caucus community in the Armenian Assembly on a different similar

600
00:48:46,260 --> 00:48:48,940
conversation, but not local level.

601
00:48:49,780 --> 00:48:54,440
And I just don't think that identifying as just Armenian would really

602
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:57,920
demonstrate or really identify that type of Armenian.

603
00:48:58,380 --> 00:48:59,040
You know what I mean?

604
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,200
because there's different Armenians within the community

605
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:02,340
that identified differently.

606
00:49:03,180 --> 00:49:04,620
So, I just want to put that out there.

607
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,140
I'm just going to interrupt for one second

608
00:49:07,140 --> 00:49:10,480
and allow council, woman, all in select arts.

609
00:49:11,180 --> 00:49:13,800
Good evening, chair and commissioners.

610
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:17,540
So I'm going to even confuse you a little bit more

611
00:49:17,540 --> 00:49:22,320
on top of what the commissioners said, for example,

612
00:49:22,540 --> 00:49:28,420
born in Egypt, some Egyptian, but I also identify as called

613
00:49:28,420 --> 00:49:40,500
When it comes to filling out any kind of legal forms, so I wanted to be clear what it is that you're asking for counsel being your I'm your liaison

614
00:49:40,500 --> 00:49:48,300
So I gotta go back and figure out exactly what I'm gonna ask the rest of the council to do we currently don't have that category

615
00:49:48,300 --> 00:49:53,280
I know the Congresswoman has been working on it the assembly has been working on it

616
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,460
we're trying to create that category for many years.

617
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:59,800
They managed to do some of the records that actually

618
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:07,000
Today, our Minion, because it's been a long time coming to identify our Minions. But as the commissioner

619
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:14,400
also stated, under our Minions alone, there's multiple different Armenians. Our Minion Iranians,

620
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:23,560
our Minion Middle Eastern, our Minion Russians. So this is why it's convoluted and that also throw me in this kind of category.

621
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:29,600
because a lot of people mistake me for Latina or an Armenian or, you know, many other

622
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:30,060
cultures.

623
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:35,320
So I don't know how the police department would actually identify that on the report

624
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:36,700
when they stop someone.

625
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:45,400
But maybe as if you want to, like, narrow down exactly what it is we're trying to do, so I'm

626
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:50,240
able to take that request back to the rest of the council, but I need to know exactly what

627
00:50:50,240 --> 00:50:51,540
it is.

628
00:50:52,380 --> 00:50:59,460
That is if you come to a consensus that you wanted to read on what you want to send to council.

629
00:50:59,820 --> 00:51:07,520
Yes, I just, yeah, thank you for that because I didn't want to walk away and not saying anything about it and make you believe that.

630
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:13,280
Oh, I'm going to go back and ask for a letter because what is it that we're asking if the category doesn't even exist.

631
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:18,580
And so I don't want to set up our police department for them to say, okay, count on council.

632
00:51:18,580 --> 00:51:24,540
we're going to look into it, but what am I asking for because currently that category doesn't

633
00:51:24,540 --> 00:51:32,040
exist because they're trying to narrow it down to figure out with all the different cultures

634
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:35,000
that are under a Caucasian basically.

635
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:36,700
No.

636
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,420
I really glad that you stepped up.

637
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:44,840
Well, sometimes I need to jump up and say, once in a while I do that.

638
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:47,320
You know my history with Burbank Human Relations.

639
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:47,740
Yes.

640
00:51:47,740 --> 00:51:50,360
And this is an area I've grappled with before.

641
00:51:51,940 --> 00:52:03,440
We look at other groups, Latinos, Hispanics, South American, Central, you know.

642
00:52:03,980 --> 00:52:14,480
If you think spoke to a Hispanic or Latin American person, they might be more willing to give their racial identity as a country,

643
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:26,480
rather than the. But then overall. Yeah, but then if the officer was stops me and, you know,

644
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:33,940
where are you from? And I'm like, I'm going to say I'm Caucasian from here, right? So I'm

645
00:52:33,940 --> 00:52:38,680
setting him up really not knowing what to put down on the report. So he's going to put down

646
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:44,980
occasion such as what the commissioner said that under our

647
00:52:44,980 --> 00:52:49,400
minions there's a lot of different categories until the law is very clear

648
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:56,140
and they actually have it on legal documents that we fill out every day

649
00:52:56,140 --> 00:53:02,320
that identifies and break down everyone's categories it's easier for like Asian

650
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:07,720
Pacific it's easier for Hispanic it's easy because those have been identified many

651
00:53:07,720 --> 00:53:15,040
years ago and in putting together legal documents. So we're still not there yet, but I'm sure

652
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:21,720
one day is going to be adopted approved and move forward by the legislators. It's interesting

653
00:53:21,720 --> 00:53:30,740
in the report that they call, they have Latinas and then white. Yes. Instead of Caucasian

654
00:53:30,740 --> 00:53:35,000
or something like that. Well, there's some undercultagents as well. I fill that documents

655
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:41,340
and I look and I'm like, oh, that's me, okay, stop your foot tight and so thank you, we

656
00:53:41,340 --> 00:53:48,940
can obviously, you guys discussed it and I'm happy when there's a decision but I need to know

657
00:53:48,940 --> 00:53:54,680
what are we looking for exactly because it's not there yet. There is

658
00:53:58,010 --> 00:54:00,350
Mike, I'm going to

659
00:54:00,350 --> 00:54:07,210
stop this. I mean, this is on the agenda and I'm sorry, it is on the agenda. Well, I have made a motion

660
00:54:07,210 --> 00:54:15,330
here. Well, what I'd like to finish with, it'd be very quick, I'm sure, is that we have issues

661
00:54:16,030 --> 00:54:27,470
with hate slurs. I'm thinking of just recently the grid school in Glendale, with the Armenian

662
00:54:28,310 --> 00:54:30,410
money that they were putting on the street.

663
00:54:33,490 --> 00:54:38,790
There is a level of racism that's going

664
00:54:38,790 --> 00:54:45,390
on. And I want to be able to address that in our community if there's a problem, we may

665
00:54:45,390 --> 00:54:51,870
not have a problem at all. And I hopefully don't think so. But we'd like to be able to

666
00:54:51,870 --> 00:54:59,030
track that. And this is done on a statewide basis, not just our little community. I appreciate

667
00:54:59,030 --> 00:54:59,570
your help.

668
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:29,880
Of course, thank you. Yeah, hopefully this will help a little bit. I want to take us to step back for a moment about the purpose, the report itself, it's the, again, it's the racial identified, racial identity profiling act. The, the purpose of RIPA was to help identify if their, if law enforcement is in engaging in, in, in, in, stops in, using any kind of racial profiling information that they've determined. Part of the reason that they provide the demographic

669
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:34,160
information of the state of California and the main report, and then they break down like

670
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:37,840
what the what the perception is of the people that are stopped. And then what the actual

671
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:43,360
identity of the folks are stopped is to identify if there's discrepancies there. Is there a black

672
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:51,560
is there a higher number of black folks being stopped? Contact pre-contextually in comparison to the

673
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:58,280
population in the community. So if I think in Burbank there's there's 3% black. If there's 10% of the

674
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:04,220
or people that identifies Black or African American, that's a problem, and that's the purpose of the report.

675
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:08,580
So I hear what you're saying, and I think it's worth exploring further.

676
00:56:08,700 --> 00:56:12,860
I think we need to kind of tease it out a little bit, because if I'm hearing you correctly,

677
00:56:13,220 --> 00:56:21,460
your concern that folks that identify as Armenian may be inappropriately stopped on a more frequent basis,

678
00:56:21,460 --> 00:56:30,420
And your concern is about, as about racism and discrimination towards the Armenian community in terms of law enforcement stops.

679
00:56:30,580 --> 00:56:41,020
Is that I just want to, you know, we'd be able to, you need the data show.

680
00:56:41,340 --> 00:56:43,600
Yeah, you don't get it in order to show it either way.

681
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:48,460
And I think what you've lifted up is really clearly identifying that

682
00:56:48,460 --> 00:56:54,880
And we need the information to be able to make that determination, but also the context

683
00:56:54,880 --> 00:57:01,900
that we're working in, as Vice Vice Mayor Mullins identified, is that there is, there's

684
00:57:01,900 --> 00:57:05,280
a lot of folks, a lot of different levels that are trying to work that out right now to

685
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:05,860
capture the data.

686
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:12,040
It's probably not as much a pride thing of having identified and represented in this report

687
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:17,800
as it is making sure that people aren't being, the math words aren't coming to be right

688
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:25,560
But disproportionately stopped and we want to make sure that there aren't groups that are being disproportionately stopped in Burbank California

689
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:32,900
It's a whole but for our purposes specifically in Burbank. I just want to make sure I'm understanding what you want to where you want to go with it.

690
00:57:33,140 --> 00:57:33,620
Okay. I

691
00:57:35,900 --> 00:57:37,800
It's a way to hold on.

692
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:39,560
Could you please

693
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:40,880
State your motion

694
00:57:41,900 --> 00:57:46,460
So that everybody's clear on what the motion is that you would like

695
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:49,040
What I would,

696
00:57:52,040 --> 00:58:02,700
I move that we send a message to our city council, asking them to ask RIPA,

697
00:58:02,990 --> 00:58:14,760
the RIPA Board, to investigate looking into a category for Armenian, Slash, Middle Eastern

698
00:58:21,470 --> 00:58:29,770
designation so that we could have that on the report. That would mean that would mean

699
00:58:29,770 --> 00:58:37,910
that the report would need to determine a designation. What that definition of that

700
00:58:37,910 --> 00:58:43,930
designation is? Okay. We've heard the motion, is there a second to the motion?

701
00:58:51,630 --> 00:58:52,490
Motion fails.

702
00:58:55,690 --> 00:58:58,250
If there's no longer any questions for Lieutenant fromer,

703
00:58:58,250 --> 00:59:00,530
Here we move on.

704
00:59:00,710 --> 00:59:01,410
Thank you.

705
00:59:01,410 --> 00:59:02,310
Thank you very much.

706
00:59:02,510 --> 00:59:02,830
Thank you, President.

707
00:59:09,900 --> 00:59:15,580
The next item on our agenda is the selection of commissioners to attend in the call conference.

708
00:59:18,100 --> 00:59:23,220
I have one question for staff since we're not all present tonight.

709
00:59:23,660 --> 00:59:30,460
What is the last opportunity for a commission to say they were, they're taking go to the conference?

710
00:59:36,790 --> 00:59:37,890
I think this is that's a November.

711
00:59:39,010 --> 00:59:45,430
I think it's the second week in November, so I know that staff has to do preparations.

712
00:59:46,590 --> 00:59:49,230
I'd like to give every commission an opportunity.

713
00:59:49,670 --> 00:59:53,470
Our next meetings within 30 days, which I think will be too close.

714
00:59:53,850 --> 00:59:54,750
And it's not after.

715
00:59:56,570 --> 00:59:57,930
No, you're right, you're right.

716
00:59:58,210 --> 00:59:59,830
I believe in us teaching schools.

717
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:09,360
I don't believe she's has the opportunity. And no, when last year, my question to the commission is, is there

718
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:16,900
someone that is present here tonight that is interested in attending? I don't have the answer to your question. I don't

719
01:00:16,900 --> 01:00:26,540
unless Evelyn is aware. But that was a role that Sherry helped us fill. And so we, Evelyn and I would have to look

720
01:00:26,540 --> 01:00:31,700
into that information. So, but before we do any of the work, is there someone here that is

721
01:00:31,700 --> 01:00:37,240
interested in going? So, we can do that information too, because I'm unavailable, so it's

722
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:44,260
down the floor. Yeah, it's interesting. Yes, availability, now unfortunately. I am not either.

723
01:00:46,140 --> 01:00:48,740
We don't have in here, though, to ask.

724
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:54,500
I'm not available to attend myself.

725
01:00:57,400 --> 01:00:58,140
No, I can

726
01:00:58,140 --> 01:00:58,680
actually.

727
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:04,560
Nobody has to go.

728
01:01:06,580 --> 01:01:08,980
It's our opportunity to help the General

729
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:16,280
Fund. Can we contact Ann and ask her just to be sure? I think last time she

730
01:01:16,280 --> 01:01:22,140
said she wasn't interested but maybe Evelyn. I can send an email to the police

731
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:30,060
commissioners in general and ask one last time. Okay, we'll do. I think we can make

732
01:01:30,060 --> 01:01:33,760
commitment to respond directly back to you as well, the confer? Yes. Okay.

733
01:01:36,700 --> 01:01:37,840
And so to be clear,

734
01:01:38,420 --> 01:01:41,620
if either of the two commissioners who are not present today,

735
01:01:42,580 --> 01:01:46,860
express an interest in going, then they will be the one or two to go.

736
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:47,960
Yeah.

737
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:58,020
Okay. We can move on to general announcements by Chief Quintero.

738
01:02:02,430 --> 01:02:07,630
I'm actually going to lead today with the for bank police foundation awards that we had for those

739
01:02:07,630 --> 01:02:13,350
were able to be present, thank you, being present in acknowledging, recognizing the men and women

740
01:02:13,350 --> 01:02:18,470
of this organization and the great work that they do every day. I think I mentioned it during

741
01:02:18,470 --> 01:02:24,770
my speech that that work is often goes unnoticed and your presence really means everything in

742
01:02:24,770 --> 01:02:32,450
acknowledging them. And then the last thing kudos to staff because in my past role as a lieutenant,

743
01:02:32,450 --> 01:02:37,610
current lieutenant faculties I know what heavy lift that also is there's a

744
01:02:37,610 --> 01:02:41,790
lot of time effort preparation frustration and everything that comes with a

745
01:02:41,790 --> 01:02:46,690
event of that significance so thank you to recruits graduated from the Orange

746
01:02:46,690 --> 01:02:51,590
County Sheriff's Academy in August three recruits are set to graduate at the end

747
01:02:51,590 --> 01:02:58,730
of this month from Ventura County next week Friday and then the last thing we

748
01:02:58,730 --> 01:03:02,050
have our next event is going to be coffee with the cop that will be held on October

749
01:03:02,050 --> 01:03:05,410
7th at 10 a.m. at Chick-fil-A.

750
01:03:08,450 --> 01:03:10,750
Chick-fil-A, I think, isn't there only one?

751
01:03:10,750 --> 01:03:11,790
Yes, just one.

752
01:03:12,770 --> 01:03:14,330
On Olive, is it Olive?

753
01:03:14,850 --> 01:03:15,950
Oh, Olive.

754
01:03:17,630 --> 01:03:20,750
I'm like, unless there's another Chick-fil-A that I'm unaware of.

755
01:03:21,210 --> 01:03:22,150
It's just one.

756
01:03:22,290 --> 01:03:22,750
Just one.

757
01:03:22,830 --> 01:03:23,510
There we go.

758
01:03:26,060 --> 01:03:26,860
And that is all.

759
01:03:26,860 --> 01:03:27,680
Across from NBC.

760
01:03:33,460 --> 01:03:39,780
Okay, moving on to Introduction of Agenda items for future meetings.

761
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:46,760
If anybody would like to have an idea of what they would like to speak about in the future?

762
01:03:58,330 --> 01:04:05,510
If the comment associated with that one was a commission mechanic that had requested some

763
01:04:05,510 --> 01:04:10,630
report to for SROs and I had said, give me some time to prepare and work through that because

764
01:04:10,630 --> 01:04:14,290
we were not prepared to have that discussion especially at the beginning of the school year.

765
01:04:14,650 --> 01:04:17,610
Yes, I just did overview on how we did and what we could do better.

766
01:04:17,610 --> 01:04:26,690
Yeah, so the if you don't mind moving that a little further especially right now that we're still recently into the

767
01:04:26,690 --> 01:04:34,550
school year and then working with the new superintendent what I would like to agenda is though is if anyone was watching yesterday

768
01:04:34,550 --> 01:04:38,550
or last night's council is the discussion on the activity

769
01:04:38,550 --> 01:04:45,090
I activity outside our BPD jail last night was just a quick snapshot as far as

770
01:04:45,090 --> 01:04:59,970
What we are able to do as a law enforcement agency and not interfering with ICE in their role in function as a federal agency, but it be good opportunity for us to provide additional information that normally we don't

771
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:10,100
We have the time to give before council after public comment. And I'd like to bring that back. Unless we have something else on the agenda, I'd like to over as what I was thinking.

772
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:12,080
It does timely and essential.

773
01:05:14,220 --> 01:05:17,080
I think it'd be a very good subject and worthy of the discussion.

774
01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:17,800
I'm sorry.

775
01:05:20,990 --> 01:05:21,770
Do we have to vote?

776
01:05:21,970 --> 01:05:22,310
No, no.

777
01:05:22,310 --> 01:05:23,190
We could do so.

778
01:05:23,190 --> 01:05:23,390
Okay.

779
01:05:24,610 --> 01:05:26,030
We have our e-bike.

780
01:05:26,290 --> 01:05:26,610
We have Paul.

781
01:05:26,830 --> 01:05:28,030
We have some interest area.

782
01:05:29,050 --> 01:05:30,650
But that's actually very valid point.

783
01:05:30,790 --> 01:05:35,390
The e-bikes have really come into the main frontline lately.

784
01:05:37,690 --> 01:05:43,470
One of the things that Romic and I spoke to the superintendent about was possibly expanding

785
01:05:43,470 --> 01:05:46,290
his automobile safety program to e-bikes.

786
01:05:47,190 --> 01:05:52,810
I was in a bike shop yesterday and asked them about it because I initially thought that maybe

787
01:05:52,810 --> 01:05:58,230
that would be like to turn people from buying them and they basically said, we don't sell

788
01:05:58,230 --> 01:06:01,370
what you're talking about, you know, we don't sell the ones that are actually motorcycle.

789
01:06:02,030 --> 01:06:05,850
So they agreed with it and they thought it would be, it would take some of the burden off

790
01:06:05,850 --> 01:06:06,150
of them.

791
01:06:06,670 --> 01:06:08,210
So that might be something we follow up on.

792
01:06:08,370 --> 01:06:14,770
But yes, anything with e-bikes about the six-string bridge to make a motion for this.

793
01:06:15,510 --> 01:06:27,730
Make a motion that we revisit the current policies, both state, county, and Burbank, on eBikes, and how we might improve.

794
01:06:31,030 --> 01:06:42,790
One of the things I would like to bring you to your motion is that last week Orange County had an eBike buyback, and I would like to just include it into the discussion.

795
01:06:42,790 --> 01:06:47,070
I mean, that's amazing. We've gone so far from a year ago where people were

796
01:06:47,070 --> 01:06:51,770
putting out important they were to having a gun, style, buy-back for e-bikes that

797
01:06:51,770 --> 01:06:56,450
angels stadium. Unfortunately, they were given out angels tickets and nobody wanted them.

798
01:06:58,310 --> 01:06:59,030
You need a second?

799
01:07:00,050 --> 01:07:09,410
No, no, I have a question for you. Not too long ago, council amended our municipal code to address

800
01:07:09,410 --> 01:07:17,490
motorized bicycles and other devices on our streets and sidewalks and bikeways I'm

801
01:07:17,490 --> 01:07:23,170
not sure what this is that you want to bring back that would be different from what

802
01:07:23,170 --> 01:07:28,530
Council has already done this year I don't have the exact day but it was just a

803
01:07:28,530 --> 01:07:36,510
few months ago and that is online you can you can find that discussion and

804
01:07:36,510 --> 01:07:41,930
Council's actions, they devoted to amend the municipal code, to update it, to address all

805
01:07:41,930 --> 01:07:48,110
of these motor devices, scooters, whatever that in some respects has been causing trouble.

806
01:07:48,610 --> 01:07:54,970
This slightly different take on it, which is the buy-back program, which I also have heard of

807
01:07:54,970 --> 01:08:00,510
and found really interesting. First time I believe has ever been done outside of guns, so if

808
01:08:00,510 --> 01:08:04,570
you want to have that discussion as it relates to the police department, that makes sense to me,

809
01:08:04,570 --> 01:08:09,550
to have just a general discussion about e-bikes, which Council is already addressed earlier this year.

810
01:08:09,870 --> 01:08:12,210
I'm not sure what you would be discussing.

811
01:08:13,290 --> 01:08:18,650
And additionally, we did the presentation for Council. We did a presentation for Council,

812
01:08:18,770 --> 01:08:24,550
and we also did a community presentation. I want to say two community presentations in death

813
01:08:24,550 --> 01:08:33,670
of e-bikes and what they are. And then, because it takes a little time, procedurally to actually get

814
01:08:33,670 --> 01:08:43,750
the the municode finalized, we committed to six months later, which is coming up sometime

815
01:08:43,750 --> 01:08:48,650
in 2027 to provide an update to the council on e-bikes.

816
01:08:50,890 --> 01:08:50,910
Yeah.

817
01:08:51,010 --> 01:08:51,950
Do you have the answer?

818
01:08:53,470 --> 01:08:55,350
To kind of follow on Jeanne's comments, everything.

819
01:08:55,550 --> 01:08:57,090
I don't want to get too far into the discussion.

820
01:08:57,290 --> 01:08:59,230
But I just want to generally just lift up.

821
01:08:59,410 --> 01:09:05,150
It really behooves us to do our research when we're bringing agenda items because we

822
01:09:05,150 --> 01:09:11,410
don't want to take on things that City Council is either working on or is made a recent

823
01:09:11,410 --> 01:09:16,650
decision on and is a report coming back as well. I'm really hesitant to get into spaces

824
01:09:16,650 --> 01:09:21,570
that another group is working actively working on until we're clear that we need to pursue

825
01:09:21,570 --> 01:09:25,650
a new area of that. So I'm supporting what Gina St.

826
01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:30,780
Paul. I'm going to go ahead. I'm sorry.

827
01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:41,700
I'm maybe moving along here a little bit, but didn't you also have school safety as an item that we had on the agenda at one point?

828
01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:46,780
The Chief just asked to push that a month or so, so we're going to do that.

829
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:50,280
But with that in mind,

830
01:09:53,620 --> 01:09:55,840
we had done the Family Fund Day a number of years in a row.

831
01:09:55,980 --> 01:09:59,960
We always did a bunch of comments, but we were going to talk about possibly working with...

832
01:10:00,660 --> 01:10:08,700
Government police about doing separate bicycle home and event. But I would like to know, and I know that the

833
01:10:08,700 --> 01:10:16,560
bike path comes under the Transportation Commission. But I think some of the things that were, the

834
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:21,820
opportunities we're missing is education. We know on the bike path we have signs as they pick up after

835
01:10:21,820 --> 01:10:27,820
your dog, but we can't have signs as they wear a helmet. And I'm just thinking that, you know, it's

836
01:10:27,820 --> 01:10:30,980
law for under 18. I don't know what influence the police who are

837
01:10:30,980 --> 01:10:33,200
I'm a collaborator we can have on that because I guess I know it's

838
01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:37,440
transportation. So I think you're you're going down really great past. I just

839
01:10:37,440 --> 01:10:43,160
like to remind everybody. You're going down really good bike path. I just want to

840
01:10:43,160 --> 01:10:48,480
remind everyone that this section is I think we're discussing what we want to

841
01:10:48,480 --> 01:10:53,040
discuss too much, right? So you should raise the issue or the subject matter that

842
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:59,600
want to bring back, you can have a quick explanation about what it is so that people are clear

843
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:05,740
and then take the vote. Right? It's almost like you're talking objection in a trial, right?

844
01:11:05,860 --> 01:11:10,960
Like you don't do that. Judges don't allow that and we're not allowed to do that here. So

845
01:11:11,900 --> 01:11:17,900
are there any other subjects? I don't know if you had a topic you wanted to bring with that commissioner

846
01:11:17,900 --> 01:11:26,260
What can I call is there anything associated with bikes or school safety that you wanted to make a motion?

847
01:11:26,700 --> 01:11:27,640
No, I'm fine.

848
01:11:27,940 --> 01:11:28,020
Thank you.

849
01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:28,600
Okay.

850
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:29,960
Romic, did you have a...

851
01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:30,500
Yeah, absolutely.

852
01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:33,820
And, you know, James, maybe you can help me out with this.

853
01:11:33,940 --> 01:11:37,000
Do you have incredible memory bank community service officers?

854
01:11:37,140 --> 01:11:38,860
Have you gotten a presentation on that yet?

855
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:43,900
We did get a presentation a while back when they were introducing community service officers.

856
01:11:44,260 --> 01:11:47,800
That's a perfect example of we can go back and research it.

857
01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:50,420
before we bring it to the textbook for there.

858
01:11:51,180 --> 01:11:51,240
Yeah.

859
01:11:54,430 --> 01:11:54,650
Okay.

860
01:11:55,510 --> 01:11:55,730
Okay.

861
01:11:56,190 --> 01:11:57,490
I want to jump back.

862
01:11:57,550 --> 01:11:58,030
We'd be short.

863
01:11:58,230 --> 01:11:59,330
Yeah, I want to jump back.

864
01:11:59,490 --> 01:11:59,910
And I apologize.

865
01:12:00,150 --> 01:12:01,910
I know that we're really not kind of following the process

866
01:12:01,910 --> 01:12:03,750
for a motion, a second, and everything.

867
01:12:03,970 --> 01:12:06,910
But I want to actually jump back to the ice motion.

868
01:12:07,590 --> 01:12:10,710
I want to make sure, do we need to clarify what the motion is?

869
01:12:10,710 --> 01:12:13,590
Is it just a presentation from the police department?

870
01:12:13,990 --> 01:12:17,230
Is it a discussion and recommendations by the commission?

871
01:12:17,390 --> 01:12:18,530
Which I hope it is.

872
01:12:18,530 --> 01:12:28,510
But I realized that we didn't clarify that and because we're not we didn't vote on it, but I realized we didn't clarify whether it's just a presentation or if we're having discussion and recommendations is a commission.

873
01:12:29,290 --> 01:12:35,170
So one of the things that we have historically done with this commission is that there are two ways to put things on the agenda.

874
01:12:35,590 --> 01:12:41,710
One is you as a body vote on items that you want to bring back for discussion separately.

875
01:12:41,710 --> 01:12:46,430
staff has always had the ability to put things on the agenda as well that they want to

876
01:12:46,430 --> 01:12:50,790
bring to your attention and we allow that so that things can come to you in a timely

877
01:12:50,790 --> 01:12:55,630
fashion as opposed to them coming to you, asking if you want it, it has to wait another

878
01:12:55,630 --> 01:13:01,270
month and so you can see how that would take a long time. So my understanding of the ice

879
01:13:01,270 --> 01:13:06,190
item is that that's something the chief wants to bring back and I don't know that we'll

880
01:13:06,190 --> 01:13:10,630
have anything else for next month's agenda but because it's the chief item that he wants

881
01:13:10,630 --> 01:13:17,850
bring back, and we always try to agendize it that broadly if the chief is going to be asking

882
01:13:17,850 --> 01:13:23,230
for recommendations or direction. We would agendize it in that way to give you that ability

883
01:13:23,230 --> 01:13:25,050
to do so. Thank you.

884
01:13:29,290 --> 01:13:32,930
Does anybody else have something for a future agenda?

885
01:13:34,090 --> 01:13:37,850
This is pretty silly. I got over some publication, but since it's October, is there a possibility

886
01:13:37,850 --> 01:13:45,470
that we should do something about Halloween safety recommendations or anything that we recommend

887
01:13:45,470 --> 01:13:51,970
for the people of our community, knowing that that's going to be a high-profile act of

888
01:13:53,070 --> 01:13:53,470
night.

889
01:13:53,470 --> 01:13:54,750
We haven't had problems in the past.

890
01:13:55,550 --> 01:13:57,090
I'm just looking at the calendar.

891
01:14:01,300 --> 01:14:04,060
I need some clarification on your question and what your ask is.

892
01:14:04,260 --> 01:14:09,620
I just think it's safety precautions, things that we wanted to maybe educate the public

893
01:14:09,620 --> 01:14:17,540
on them, probably the that is normal course scope for us leading up to Halloween or before Halloween,

894
01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:26,980
especially considering the amount of people that are attracted to our houses and everything

895
01:14:26,980 --> 01:14:34,420
and how it has gained in popularity because of social media. So I'm pretty certain that Lieutenant

896
01:14:34,420 --> 01:14:41,880
faculty has a plan for at least promoting it like safety campaigns and others and being aware

897
01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:47,240
during darkness traditionally what we do every year. So I'm not that far off. Thank you.

898
01:14:47,500 --> 01:14:53,100
Do we need I don't think we need it on the agenda. Is you were asking for it on the agenda?

899
01:14:53,560 --> 01:14:57,420
I just took it as only if it was necessary, but if you're feeling that's already covered then I

900
01:14:57,420 --> 01:14:57,760
correct.

901
01:14:57,760 --> 01:14:58,480
It's already covered.

902
01:15:00,340 --> 01:15:07,260
I would like to have a report on the cadet program and on the reserve program.

903
01:15:08,180 --> 01:15:12,240
It seems as if it is shrinking, you look.

904
01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:15,980
I can't hear you.

905
01:15:18,860 --> 01:15:30,420
So I would like to make a motion that we see a report from the police department on the today's cadet program, the future of the cadet program,

906
01:15:30,420 --> 01:15:35,960
and also a look at the reserve program where it's at and where it's going.

907
01:15:39,350 --> 01:15:44,970
Before I can second, is that, I want to ask the chief, is that two different big conversations?

908
01:15:45,390 --> 01:15:49,930
Could that program versus a reserve program? Or is that, there are different programs?

909
01:15:50,730 --> 01:15:59,070
The, I actually don't mind. It's relevant. Those are things that we also are looking at

910
01:15:59,070 --> 01:16:05,330
discussing, I've actually tasked Lieutenant Fekity with looking at our cadet program, expanding

911
01:16:05,330 --> 01:16:11,610
our Explorer program, and a complete review and audit of our Reserve program.

912
01:16:11,890 --> 01:16:13,470
The Reserve program is looking.

913
01:16:14,650 --> 01:16:17,350
Yeah, I would like to just say, it won't be ready for next month though.

914
01:16:17,370 --> 01:16:18,250
That's fine.

915
01:16:19,110 --> 01:16:27,190
I'm just looking at parts of the police department, which are not sworn.

916
01:16:27,190 --> 01:16:31,670
and how they're utilized and where we're going with them.

917
01:16:32,910 --> 01:16:33,770
Our second.

918
01:16:35,900 --> 01:16:39,220
Can we have a roll call vote?

919
01:16:39,500 --> 01:16:39,560
Yes.

920
01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:41,920
Commissioner Chapman.

921
01:16:42,180 --> 01:16:42,260
Yes.

922
01:16:43,480 --> 01:16:44,400
Commissioner Coves.

923
01:16:44,540 --> 01:16:44,760
Yes.

924
01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:47,880
Chair Elman.

925
01:16:48,440 --> 01:16:48,560
Yes.

926
01:16:51,890 --> 01:16:53,190
Commissioner Hart Tunine.

927
01:16:53,830 --> 01:16:54,070
I'm sorry.

928
01:16:54,690 --> 01:16:55,270
Commissioner Howcopeian.

929
01:16:55,650 --> 01:16:55,850
Yes.

930
01:16:56,890 --> 01:16:57,630
Commissioner McKenna?

931
01:16:58,310 --> 01:16:58,510
Yes.

932
01:16:59,230 --> 01:16:59,950
Thank you.

933
01:17:01,270 --> 01:17:01,950
Motion passes.

934
01:17:01,950 --> 01:17:02,890
I

935
01:17:09,480 --> 01:17:15,060
think that concludes our meeting, so I will adjourn tonight's meeting, and again we will

936
01:17:15,060 --> 01:17:20,020
meet in this council chamber on October 21st, 2006.

937
01:17:20,420 --> 01:17:22,400
Thank you very much and good night.

938
01:17:23,060 --> 01:17:23,320
I'm excited to hear.

939
01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:36,720
The way we got exposed to this is we represent a big hip hop catalog in one of our staff

940
01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:37,280
approach.

941
01:17:37,420 --> 01:17:43,400
Since I'd heard there's this AI video last year, that's actually really cool around our

942
01:17:43,400 --> 01:17:52,460
So we reached out to the guy, we brought him in, and we started working with him, and this was like pre-Suno Udio, all that.

943
01:17:53,220 --> 01:18:02,380
Then all of a sudden, same employee goes, hey, there's this song going off on UGC in our system called BBL jersey.

944
01:18:03,040 --> 01:18:08,600
And you have to check it out, and it's this joke record this guy made using Suno.

945
01:18:09,280 --> 01:18:17,780
And then it was the center of the Drake Kendrick beef that created not like us all of that and it all stemmed and there's a really good article on billboard about it

946
01:18:18,240 --> 01:18:35,800
And I think we realized and we jumped on AI music very early built a relationship with Suno and realized that this is happening huge music producers are using it there are songs right now on the top 100 that are being created with this tool but people don't know

947
01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:43,360
So, like, I think it's very naive to think that people don't want it and it's not happening in pop culture.

948
01:18:43,700 --> 01:18:54,060
I also think that the productivity and workflow, obviously, is the primary thing right now that we're seeing, that's the biggest impact in music in particular.

949
01:18:55,620 --> 01:19:03,620
Saying that AI is AI artists and AI music and everything is going to replace all artistry and everything around an artist.

950
01:19:03,620 --> 01:19:10,800
I think that part is probably naive, because in music film, TV, et cetera, but music in particular,

951
01:19:11,120 --> 01:19:17,820
there's a level of emotionality that I think other forums may not have as much.

952
01:19:17,860 --> 01:19:25,920
There's memory and attached to musicality, and I think diminishing that piece of the artistry.

953
01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:27,840
Again, I'm speaking about music in particular.

954
01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:33,840
diminishing that a single kind of AI tool or replaceability,

955
01:19:34,660 --> 01:19:39,980
removes the elements of music that make us love music to begin with.

956
01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:43,400
Going to concerts, we all remember the first CD we bought.

957
01:19:44,060 --> 01:19:47,640
All of those things, yes, AI will probably,

958
01:19:47,800 --> 01:19:53,380
is currently and will continue to expedite the productivity

959
01:19:53,380 --> 01:19:54,740
and the production around it,

960
01:19:54,740 --> 01:19:59,640
but they're still a very fundamental core component of music.

961
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:03,260
That will take a while to replace.

962
01:20:03,760 --> 01:20:09,080
I totally agree, and that's exciting to hear, because I want us to stick around, you know?

963
01:20:09,220 --> 01:20:13,300
Like us, us humans. I'm rooting for us.

964
01:20:14,540 --> 01:20:21,580
Because, yeah, I mean, the emotion part of it, but also just the human connection, trust part of it.

965
01:20:21,580 --> 01:20:29,120
Like I know, during COVID, there was like a big social media switch-up where people went from very highly produced videos

966
01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:31,360
was to just sitting in front of their camera and singing

967
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:33,560
with the phone mic or whatever.

968
01:20:33,860 --> 01:20:37,080
And it's like, I think we went from like,

969
01:20:37,340 --> 01:20:39,440
real to now we're like, even,

970
01:20:39,460 --> 01:20:41,920
or we went from like very edited to very real.

971
01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:44,640
And now we're like kind of playing around with this AI,

972
01:20:45,260 --> 01:20:48,220
like, super not just us in front of the camera thing.

973
01:20:48,660 --> 01:20:50,360
And it's interesting to see where it goes,

974
01:20:51,480 --> 01:20:55,760
because like, soon I'll for me, like my music supervisor

975
01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:57,260
is here in the balcony.

976
01:20:57,260 --> 01:20:58,720
And you shout out to Andy and Beta Patrol,

977
01:20:59,340 --> 01:21:02,100
but we were working on a Barbie commercial this week.

978
01:21:02,240 --> 01:21:05,640
And it's like, I'll go to Suna and listen to something

979
01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:06,420
just different.

980
01:21:06,660 --> 01:21:08,240
And just see, oh, I'm kind of like that.

981
01:21:08,240 --> 01:21:08,900
Hi, hot rhythm.

982
01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:12,000
What I've ever like, I'll replace what I have right now

983
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:14,720
and do something like that and use it as inspiration.

984
01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:19,200
But at the end of the day, I think our human minds

985
01:21:19,200 --> 01:21:20,840
can't be replaced like that.

986
01:21:20,840 --> 01:21:24,520
So it's really exciting to hear that you have that same view.

987
01:21:25,220 --> 01:21:28,800
and that it is about that human emotion at the end of the day.

988
01:21:30,240 --> 01:21:34,160
Okay, so I do want to circle back to the finance part of it.

989
01:21:34,300 --> 01:21:38,720
How are you helping artists tap into certain revenues,

990
01:21:38,980 --> 01:21:43,140
streams online right now that otherwise wouldn't be tapped into?

991
01:21:44,440 --> 01:21:46,740
Because we need a monetized human stuff, you know?

992
01:21:46,740 --> 01:21:51,640
like my dad said, if it doesn't make money, it's a hobby.

993
01:21:54,340 --> 01:21:56,700
That's true. It didn't make that up.

994
01:21:57,420 --> 01:22:01,540
How are we, so we identified during COVID in opportunity

995
01:22:01,540 --> 01:22:05,980
that what existed in maximizing content revenue

996
01:22:05,980 --> 01:22:10,860
for artists, big artists, huge artists that everyone knows

997
01:22:11,680 --> 01:22:16,080
were not, and again, it's not that these labels or distributors

998
01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:21,660
we're doing it incorrectly, it's just they are worried about so much and we saw this opportunity

999
01:22:21,660 --> 01:22:30,580
to think about monetizing video content, audio content, music publishing content, how to

1000
01:22:30,580 --> 01:22:37,200
track, collect, and create transparency because historically I'm not super familiar on the

1001
01:22:37,200 --> 01:22:45,360
like the film side, but on music being muddied and gray was a business strategy, right?

1002
01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:52,040
So I think one of the royalty statements are very hard to decipher and read,

1003
01:22:52,300 --> 01:22:56,200
and you get them who knows whatever increment of time.

1004
01:22:56,980 --> 01:23:03,960
So transparency around especially the accounting reporting and finance element for our business was first and foremost.

1005
01:23:03,960 --> 01:23:07,060
So if you can't do that, you shouldn't be in it, you know.

1006
01:23:07,320 --> 01:23:07,540
Correct.

1007
01:23:08,920 --> 01:23:12,520
So what's the question AI in finance or just finance, is it?

1008
01:23:12,520 --> 01:23:16,220
Well, just like the streams of revenue that you are helping clients tap into.

1009
01:23:16,600 --> 01:23:33,260
Yes, so again, now we're living in a world where digital, for an artist, even though the sentiment is that payouts are lower, which is true, much lower than selling a physical product, in theory, there's infinite scale.

1010
01:23:33,260 --> 01:23:39,660
So that's how we really thought about the monetization and the tools that we built was

1011
01:23:39,660 --> 01:23:45,900
infinite scale and compounding, compounding someone's work.

1012
01:23:46,820 --> 01:23:52,840
So historically, Donna's an artist, she releases an album, historically, you release an

1013
01:23:52,840 --> 01:23:58,880
album once and maybe you do a music video, a layered video, and a deluxe version, and

1014
01:23:58,880 --> 01:23:59,800
That's it.

1015
01:23:59,800 --> 01:24:05,980
We look at that as an opportunity with various permutations and ways that you can put together

1016
01:24:05,980 --> 01:24:09,020
that same album and repackage it for a different audience.

1017
01:24:10,340 --> 01:24:17,300
So for a lot of our clients, we're releasing content in 10, 12, 15 different ways, and then

1018
01:24:17,300 --> 01:24:22,380
we're able to track it and create exponential value and transparency.

1019
01:24:23,820 --> 01:24:31,040
Interesting. I do want to talk about the one thing you said about the soonow tracks being like major

1020
01:24:31,040 --> 01:24:35,780
alas producers are using this. Isn't that illegal nightmare though? Because they don't own the

1021
01:24:35,780 --> 01:24:38,020
copyright done, right? It doesn't soonow?

1022
01:24:40,390 --> 01:24:45,170
I don't think so. I've debate right now is in the

1023
01:24:46,010 --> 01:24:53,290
so if I use soonow and I write lyrics, I own the music publishing, but the master recording because

1024
01:24:53,290 --> 01:24:58,590
as it's AI technically and maybe the law has changed, anyone can rip me off, right?

1025
01:24:58,830 --> 01:24:59,970
But if I wrote...

1026
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:10,440
The lyrics for the melody, the publishing, the composition, side of the copyright. I would then be entitled to that, but technically, and again, the laws evolving.

1027
01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:25,860
But, but again, it's more about workflow than saying, hey, I'm going to make an AI song and put it out, because anyone can. It's more about, hey, I'm an incredible producer, and I can make 10 unbelievable songs a month.

1028
01:25:25,860 --> 01:25:30,020
With Suno, I can now create 10 ideas in our

1029
01:25:30,700 --> 01:25:40,700
Pull from it and get influenced and then maybe I come up with a really cool melody that I then like you write three parts of of the stems and you sing into it

1030
01:25:40,700 --> 01:25:44,720
And it turns into a trumpet solo for example like that level of

1031
01:25:46,120 --> 01:25:47,400
Productivity is

1032
01:25:47,400 --> 01:25:50,500
Obviously unprecedented and just like expedites

1033
01:25:51,240 --> 01:25:59,500
And I think that again on AI is if you embrace it and you look at it and you learn from it,

1034
01:25:59,580 --> 01:26:01,420
you still have to have taste, right?

1035
01:26:01,460 --> 01:26:08,580
Like that's the element of AI is like anybody here can come up with a song, a video, whatever.

1036
01:26:09,140 --> 01:26:16,840
But if you have taste and a vision and you can take from it and pull it and build, that's what I think those are the people that are most successful.

1037
01:26:16,840 --> 01:26:25,160
Yeah, using as an integration efficiency tool, yeah, but if I'm going to make AI songs, anyone can do that.

1038
01:26:25,440 --> 01:26:29,800
Right. And they're not necessarily, I mean, well, they're not good yet. I don't know. I mean, I think you're getting better.

1039
01:26:30,200 --> 01:26:32,240
It's pretty convincing. I mean, I mean, it's scary.

1040
01:26:32,660 --> 01:26:43,120
From that point, and again, debatable, but from a trend standpoint, there's likely going to be so like a huge barrage of garbage,

1041
01:26:43,120 --> 01:26:50,500
That then we're going to start evolving towards more curation because we kind of have to and there's so much content

1042
01:26:50,500 --> 01:26:56,540
that we're going to need it filtered again, and then it'll be the MTV era all over again.

1043
01:26:56,700 --> 01:26:59,140
So we're going in cycles really, my opinion.

1044
01:27:01,160 --> 01:27:02,440
How about in the gaming world, Cody?

1045
01:27:02,680 --> 01:27:05,160
What are we looking at in that world with AI?

1046
01:27:06,500 --> 01:27:09,360
I think mostly the same to be honest.

1047
01:27:10,020 --> 01:27:15,900
There's a little bit of difference in games in that the majority of platforms and where players

1048
01:27:15,900 --> 01:27:20,640
are kind of consolidated already and they're owned by either the Engines Spear, which

1049
01:27:20,640 --> 01:27:26,260
is mean like an Unreal Engine or a Roblox Engine that requires additional layers of complexity

1050
01:27:26,260 --> 01:27:27,800
to actually get involved with.

1051
01:27:27,960 --> 01:27:32,640
But those Engines are building AI capabilities into them right now, so I think same timeline

1052
01:27:32,640 --> 01:27:33,600
may be a little bit longer.

1053
01:27:33,820 --> 01:27:37,080
You'll start to see a similar problem, show up.

1054
01:27:37,080 --> 01:27:42,180
which then, again, probably pushes you out into a more curated experience.

1055
01:27:43,720 --> 01:27:48,680
I think ultimately the biggest challenge in all of this is making your voice heard,

1056
01:27:49,600 --> 01:27:52,080
not like my voice heard, but your content heard.

1057
01:27:52,260 --> 01:27:56,700
So distribution is still the biggest problem for every kind of media layer.

1058
01:27:57,300 --> 01:28:02,360
If we can figure out a more tailored solution through either, then all bets are off.

1059
01:28:02,440 --> 01:28:05,100
We'll see how fast everybody can ship something, so.

1060
01:28:06,240 --> 01:28:11,100
I think the one thing I will say about games, that's a beautiful ringtone, by the way, I really love that.

1061
01:28:11,800 --> 01:28:12,400
Praise the Lord.

1062
01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:19,140
The one thing I can say about games is what we're seeing right now in game development,

1063
01:28:19,500 --> 01:28:22,680
and we were talking about this beforehand before we even got started,

1064
01:28:23,280 --> 01:28:25,440
but web browser games are coming up big now.

1065
01:28:25,980 --> 01:28:30,620
And the reason the web browser games are coming up big is that anybody can now make a game that's like an Nintendo,

1066
01:28:30,620 --> 01:28:32,000
They're not even in 10 or 64.

1067
01:28:32,540 --> 01:28:34,460
Like in Nintendo, we're super Nintendo quality,

1068
01:28:35,040 --> 01:28:38,120
pop it on a web browser, and anybody can pick it up and play it.

1069
01:28:38,120 --> 01:28:39,880
And you'll see things like that popping up

1070
01:28:39,880 --> 01:28:42,820
and Instagram and TikTok, and they'll be more interactive

1071
01:28:42,820 --> 01:28:44,000
entertainment from that.

1072
01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:45,520
That's a new medium for games.

1073
01:28:45,780 --> 01:28:48,140
That's not what the future for the past has had.

1074
01:28:48,300 --> 01:28:49,700
So we'll see a lot of that grow up too,

1075
01:28:49,840 --> 01:28:50,960
which I think is pretty cool.

1076
01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:52,900
I'd prefer to see humans do it,

1077
01:28:52,920 --> 01:28:55,300
but it is pretty cool that we're seeing that come up so fast.

1078
01:28:55,840 --> 01:28:58,080
So it kind of sounds like what happened in music a little bit

1079
01:28:58,080 --> 01:28:59,440
where it started getting really saturated

1080
01:28:59,440 --> 01:29:02,860
because of just the easeability of being able to create.

1081
01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:07,200
Yeah, it definitely is, I mean, I'll use Roblox as an example.

1082
01:29:08,040 --> 01:29:10,700
Their CEO hopped up on stage a couple of months ago and said,

1083
01:29:11,020 --> 01:29:14,000
hey, we are building this engine to be AI first.

1084
01:29:14,440 --> 01:29:17,480
I mean, they want to hire anybody to be able to come in,

1085
01:29:17,540 --> 01:29:18,920
prompt a little bit and build a world.

1086
01:29:19,400 --> 01:29:20,920
So, and I think that's a really cool vision.

1087
01:29:21,740 --> 01:29:24,380
It would be interesting to see what creativity comes out of that.

1088
01:29:26,610 --> 01:29:28,070
What about in a film, Alan?

1089
01:29:28,290 --> 01:29:30,310
What are we looking at as far as visual effects?

1090
01:29:30,310 --> 01:29:38,350
like our people being replaced or is it just becoming a thing where it's part of the workflow that you just have to learn how to use these

1091
01:29:40,410 --> 01:29:45,430
AI software is to make this faster and is the pace picking up?

1092
01:29:46,670 --> 01:29:56,150
Yeah, it is and I mean ultimately we get into a lot of kind of sticky areas here where look,

1093
01:29:56,150 --> 01:29:59,870
You know, the theater, the ethical release is dead. I'm gonna.

1094
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:04,480
I can say that, and you can chase me around the parking lot with torches and pick forth, forth, forth.

1095
01:30:05,240 --> 01:30:14,080
But the ethical releases for all intents and purposes to add, and ultimately Netflix won the streaming

1096
01:30:14,080 --> 01:30:22,120
wars. And so this question of monetization becomes really, really critical. But the idea that, like, yeah, is it

1097
01:30:22,120 --> 01:30:29,280
replacing people? Visual effects was always an absolutely terrible business. It's really not a business.

1098
01:30:29,280 --> 01:30:36,540
it's really a hobby. And ultimately the thing is that it's already getting rid of a huge

1099
01:30:36,540 --> 01:30:41,120
layer. AI is already getting rid of a huge layer. Like for a long time we've been outsourcing

1100
01:30:41,120 --> 01:30:46,740
to India and to China and for rotoscoping and for paint work and for what's known as match

1101
01:30:46,740 --> 01:30:53,820
moving and things like that. And that layer is already gone. And so ultimately this operational

1102
01:30:53,820 --> 01:30:58,420
tempo that you're kind of describing, which is essentially people are, you know, it's Hollywood.

1103
01:30:58,420 --> 01:31:02,540
but it's not now, it's basically, that's what we always used to say.

1104
01:31:03,040 --> 01:31:10,620
And so ultimately, that operational tempo is not slowing down, it's increasing, and AI is the real key to that.

1105
01:31:11,260 --> 01:31:18,860
And so within specifically visual effects, ultimately, it's already hollowed out a huge portion of the thing.

1106
01:31:19,180 --> 01:31:25,000
But look, the bottom line is, if your kids or your brothers or sisters want to get into visual effects,

1107
01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:33,040
Slap them across the face and tell them Alan Lasky sent that. Okay, just don't get involved.

1108
01:31:33,240 --> 01:31:40,600
It's a terrible business. And so ultimately, yeah, is AI going to, it's already done.

1109
01:31:40,900 --> 01:31:48,600
But if you can, here's what you can do. If you learn AI and you can beat out sort of, you know, one man band who can do a lot of stuff.

1110
01:31:48,640 --> 01:31:51,140
And that's sort of what I've been doing. It's teaching myself all the different tools.

1111
01:31:51,140 --> 01:31:55,280
then you have a chance of doing something, but, you know, can you make money?

1112
01:31:55,480 --> 01:31:56,800
That's a different story.

1113
01:31:57,360 --> 01:31:59,980
Well, what part of the industry is do you see flourishing right now?

1114
01:32:03,460 --> 01:32:09,340
Here in our, you know, there's people doing really interesting stuff with AI, and I think

1115
01:32:09,340 --> 01:32:14,540
the really kind of, you know, I don't want to be Debbie Downer, you know, like I don't want

1116
01:32:14,540 --> 01:32:19,560
to be that person, but the thing is that ultimately I've been doing a lot of my own sort

1117
01:32:19,560 --> 01:32:24,580
film stuff and using Suno to create the music so I don't have to get content strikes on YouTube

1118
01:32:24,580 --> 01:32:30,640
and things like that. And ultimately, when you go out past the 30 miles zone here in past

1119
01:32:30,640 --> 01:32:37,040
CAA and Warner Brothers in Disney and all the sort of people that we've been kind of

1120
01:32:37,040 --> 01:32:43,500
holding to for so many years, there's a lot of really talented people out there. And the big

1121
01:32:43,500 --> 01:32:47,500
question is, how do we monetize that, right?

1122
01:32:47,600 --> 01:32:49,180
Because that's not YouTube.

1123
01:32:49,640 --> 01:32:51,980
We're not going to be streaming, you know, to a certain extent.

1124
01:32:52,160 --> 01:32:56,280
And so the big question for us in film is, how do we monetize?

1125
01:32:57,900 --> 01:32:59,440
It's changed that much.

1126
01:32:59,680 --> 01:33:03,140
100% and look, I just, you know, who the door brothers are?

1127
01:33:03,200 --> 01:33:04,100
Do you guys know who that is?

1128
01:33:04,520 --> 01:33:07,500
So I just entered the door brothers' contest for their film,

1129
01:33:07,500 --> 01:33:08,960
just to see what other people were doing.

1130
01:33:09,440 --> 01:33:12,940
Oh my God, there are people in South America

1131
01:33:12,940 --> 01:33:20,380
in Africa, all over the place who have now gotten the gatekeeping has blown the idea that

1132
01:33:20,380 --> 01:33:28,020
you have to be some, you know, a connected Nepo baby to get in to tell stories doesn't exist

1133
01:33:28,020 --> 01:33:28,640
anymore.

1134
01:33:29,200 --> 01:33:29,920
And it's great.

1135
01:33:30,180 --> 01:33:31,960
That wall is breaking down really fast.

1136
01:33:32,040 --> 01:33:36,760
There's some very talented people out there, really good storytellers.

1137
01:33:38,500 --> 01:33:43,400
Wow, I mean, we go from music to gaming to film.

1138
01:33:43,760 --> 01:33:51,580
It just sounds like we have the tools at the tip of our fingers to make really cool things

1139
01:33:51,580 --> 01:33:54,020
in such a different way now.

1140
01:33:54,680 --> 01:34:01,960
I mean, it's amazing actually, and I'm encouraged that we use it for good and for art

1141
01:34:01,960 --> 01:34:06,640
in a way that continues to shape culture, because I know for me that's why I became

1142
01:34:06,640 --> 01:34:14,300
artists, it's like, I don't, I believe in humanity and I want us to remember that humanity,

1143
01:34:14,800 --> 01:34:21,500
that's what I think art does. It reflects back who we are. So, on a local basis, here in

1144
01:34:21,500 --> 01:34:27,340
Burbank, all that any of you have happened on this, where do you think we need to be focusing?

1145
01:34:27,620 --> 01:34:33,640
How can we keep things local? How can we keep things in person? How can we keep media strong

1146
01:34:33,640 --> 01:34:36,900
and the community here flourishing.

1147
01:34:37,380 --> 01:34:39,080
Mind if I take that one or for a minute.

1148
01:34:39,340 --> 01:34:40,560
Well, we talked about this a little bit

1149
01:34:40,560 --> 01:34:42,420
when we were talking about Burbank.

1150
01:34:43,000 --> 01:34:46,400
And you guys remember Burbank was where the skunk works was.

1151
01:34:46,800 --> 01:34:51,080
This is where Kelly Johnson invented the SR-71, the P38.

1152
01:34:52,520 --> 01:34:56,840
This area has a history of innovation that's really strong.

1153
01:34:57,440 --> 01:34:59,960
And I will now, the young lady who represented Burbank.

1154
01:35:01,780 --> 01:35:17,980
All this has left for building, but ultimately the thing is I would love to see some kind of financial incubation happen for, you know, new projects like new AI projects, new music, new video game projects here, you know, that could essentially foster innovation.

1155
01:35:19,380 --> 01:35:20,780
I like the sound of that.

1156
01:35:20,780 --> 01:35:22,740
I'd be a pipe dream, but.

1157
01:35:22,900 --> 01:35:25,820
So what we do in the start of tech world, why not?

1158
01:35:29,230 --> 01:35:30,410
What can we do here?

1159
01:35:34,620 --> 01:35:41,380
Yeah, I think that, again, it's just fostering innovation, because

1160
01:35:41,380 --> 01:35:47,300
we're, personally, I don't want to speak for Donna, but I am so bullish on AI and

1161
01:35:47,300 --> 01:35:50,980
technology as a whole, and have been our whole business.

1162
01:35:51,740 --> 01:35:54,240
Right, again, I was an artist, I got into electronic music.

1163
01:35:54,880 --> 01:35:59,780
The genre itself is about pushing the boundaries of technology.

1164
01:35:59,780 --> 01:36:08,300
So I think from a creative services space, we have to reimagine what the future looks like, and it,

1165
01:36:09,400 --> 01:36:15,140
to me, music is becoming like the producer now has more leverage and power than ever,

1166
01:36:15,440 --> 01:36:19,260
because if you have great ideas and you know how to articulate and you can use the tools,

1167
01:36:19,760 --> 01:36:25,980
your output can become better and you can work with artists and create stuff historically, you couldn't do.

1168
01:36:26,600 --> 01:36:33,280
And I think that's, again, it democratizes access, but then you need taste, then you need

1169
01:36:33,280 --> 01:36:39,080
to teach taste, and it's about going back to Donna's point, curation and pulling back, like

1170
01:36:39,080 --> 01:36:42,000
less is more in this digital era.

1171
01:36:42,360 --> 01:36:48,120
And if you can create a culture and a community that teaches that, because they don't teach

1172
01:36:48,120 --> 01:36:54,380
that in traditional education, I think you'll be a lot more successful, not only here, but

1173
01:36:54,380 --> 01:36:57,900
you'll produce people who are more successful in life.

1174
01:36:58,360 --> 01:36:59,920
What do you mean by less is more, sorry?

1175
01:37:02,680 --> 01:37:03,680
This is a Donna quote.

1176
01:37:04,340 --> 01:37:07,240
But I think we live in an era now

1177
01:37:07,240 --> 01:37:09,920
of like more content, more if we're running a marketing campaign.

1178
01:37:10,100 --> 01:37:14,260
More, we need 10,000 pieces of content.

1179
01:37:14,740 --> 01:37:16,760
When in reality, you'd be more impactful

1180
01:37:16,760 --> 01:37:19,860
with 100 really good ones, right?

1181
01:37:20,440 --> 01:37:22,200
Or Netflix, every time I open Netflix,

1182
01:37:22,380 --> 01:37:24,440
it's like 90% bullshit.

1183
01:37:24,440 --> 01:37:32,200
But 8% stuff I've seen already, 1% of something that I actually watched through, it's like

1184
01:37:32,200 --> 01:37:35,380
a joke I've never finished anything because it's just crap, right?

1185
01:37:35,780 --> 01:37:42,160
So if we spent more effort on teaching quality because we live in a culture and society

1186
01:37:42,160 --> 01:37:50,220
now of short cuts, that, and again saying, hey, technology is the lubricant to getting

1187
01:37:50,220 --> 01:37:56,720
their faster. It's not, I'm stealing your line. It's not a shortcut. What's the, what's

1188
01:37:56,720 --> 01:38:03,660
the line? Yeah. It's a good one. It's the lubricant. We, we don't cut corners, but we

1189
01:38:03,660 --> 01:38:10,700
encourage, yeah. No cutting corners, but getting their faster and in a more productive way

1190
01:38:10,700 --> 01:38:16,780
is what we're talking about. Yeah. So to sum it up, I think if you, because there, it is a

1191
01:38:17,340 --> 01:38:22,360
LA in general attracts creative people from all over the world. Now it's up to like

1192
01:38:22,360 --> 01:38:28,320
saying, hey, whatever era we're in, 3.0, 4.0 is a different mindset. If we're

1193
01:38:28,320 --> 01:38:33,760
trying to romanticize an era that is dead, MTV shut its doors, right, on video

1194
01:38:33,760 --> 01:38:38,620
content yesterday. Great. It was awesome. It was super important part of my life, but

1195
01:38:38,620 --> 01:38:44,800
it's not the future. And you have to accept that. And I think like the entertainment

1196
01:38:44,800 --> 01:38:49,640
industry as a whole and it's all I've known. I was assigned to a major. I managed artists on

1197
01:38:49,640 --> 01:38:55,020
majors and we still work with it. Traditionally likes to look in the past but instead of looking

1198
01:38:55,020 --> 01:39:02,100
the future and I think culturally we have to create an environment to foster that mindset.

1199
01:39:02,940 --> 01:39:13,080
In a way it's going to go ahead. I was going to say I also think in general it goes back to the

1200
01:39:13,080 --> 01:39:15,200
mastery and mastery is simplicity.

1201
01:39:15,980 --> 01:39:20,500
And what we always say, it goes back to the barrage of content

1202
01:39:20,500 --> 01:39:25,000
and the voluminousness of content through AI and otherwise,

1203
01:39:25,560 --> 01:39:29,680
is going to foster an era of needing to pull back,

1204
01:39:30,220 --> 01:39:33,560
like take off that accessory, that one accessory before you leave

1205
01:39:33,560 --> 01:39:36,100
your house, look in the mirror, take off the earring.

1206
01:39:36,820 --> 01:39:40,300
It's kind of that concept because when there's an inundation

1207
01:39:40,300 --> 01:39:45,280
And there's a lack of inherent quote-unquote quality with it.

1208
01:39:45,440 --> 01:39:48,780
It's time for the pullback, it's time for the more curated experience.

1209
01:39:49,040 --> 01:39:53,940
And that's what audiences will want, and it adds and flows, and trends go up and down.

1210
01:39:54,780 --> 01:39:59,840
So I think when there's a barrage, there's a corresponding pullback.

1211
01:40:00,110 --> 01:40:17,150
Well, as a millennial, I'm so here for that. Oh my gosh, do you guys remember when the artist release was a thing like the countdown to the release dip? I want that back. I want less is more again. Okay, I'm here for it. What about you, Cody? What do you think is keeping us here at local community together all the things?

1212
01:40:17,470 --> 01:40:23,790
It's kind of funny. I'm listening to this and I think about it from I'm going to think about it from a game's perspective.

1213
01:40:24,730 --> 01:40:29,510
I don't know if a lot of people know that, but games as a whole from an industry perspective

1214
01:40:29,510 --> 01:40:35,250
is very West Coast, West Coast, California, Seattle, like up and down the coast, and over

1215
01:40:35,250 --> 01:40:42,770
the last five years, China Vietnam, like even India right now, are taking a lot of the work

1216
01:40:42,770 --> 01:40:48,610
that was done in the West Coast, over overseas, and showing up, like you're going to see

1217
01:40:48,610 --> 01:40:52,150
it in all the distribution channels, most of the games that are doing really, really well,

1218
01:40:52,150 --> 01:40:55,710
have some kind of broad globalization tied to them.

1219
01:40:55,970 --> 01:40:59,870
And I think to bring that type of business back

1220
01:40:59,870 --> 01:41:01,730
to where we are today.

1221
01:41:02,030 --> 01:41:04,090
And I think that's a very tough thing to do.

1222
01:41:04,450 --> 01:41:06,090
But I think if you're going to try and do that,

1223
01:41:06,150 --> 01:41:10,550
you have to call to the a protective area of creativity

1224
01:41:10,550 --> 01:41:14,190
that we're talking about in almost cost-effective way.

1225
01:41:14,250 --> 01:41:16,070
Because we're losing on cost right now.

1226
01:41:16,170 --> 01:41:17,710
We're like five times more expensive

1227
01:41:17,710 --> 01:41:19,870
to develop anything in Los Angeles.

1228
01:41:19,870 --> 01:41:25,110
like it's it's kind of absurd. But there's comes with that a lot of inefficiencies. There's

1229
01:41:25,110 --> 01:41:30,550
come with a lot of like money ball policies basically down to the lowest common denominator.

1230
01:41:31,130 --> 01:41:38,010
And I think there is a room here to bring that talent into new exploration and taking bigger risks.

1231
01:41:38,270 --> 01:41:43,790
Now we haven't done in the last 10 years. Use the new tools that we have. Let people run free

1232
01:41:44,470 --> 01:41:49,950
with them and give them to space to deliver and make that space perfect make that space in

1233
01:41:49,950 --> 01:41:55,010
Monica make that space LA and I I really think there's an opportunity to do that if we can kind

1234
01:41:55,010 --> 01:42:00,930
of get out of that cycle of lowest common denominator wins so there's not I don't think there's a

1235
01:42:00,930 --> 01:42:06,470
better place in the entire world from a talent perspective than where we are right now especially

1236
01:42:06,470 --> 01:42:09,950
in the games industry and in the movie industry and music, right?

1237
01:42:11,110 --> 01:42:16,950
So finding the actual municipalities to support that is a huge, would be huge.

1238
01:42:17,790 --> 01:42:25,210
I also think that we have over time kind of moved away locally, even, have moved away from

1239
01:42:25,210 --> 01:42:27,790
this sentiment of experimentation.

1240
01:42:28,850 --> 01:42:30,850
It's become a kind of rinse and repeat.

1241
01:42:30,850 --> 01:42:39,690
What's worked, let's do the same thing over and over again, and love the Marvel universe, but it's basically that in a lot of ways.

1242
01:42:42,070 --> 01:42:48,530
And the entertainment industry inherently was designed for experimentation and pushing boundaries.

1243
01:42:49,350 --> 01:42:52,650
And we've moved very far away from that.

1244
01:42:52,650 --> 01:42:56,090
And ever, nobody wants to lose their job, I understand.

1245
01:42:56,910 --> 01:42:59,990
But if the experiment goes wrong, and you

1246
01:42:59,990 --> 01:43:02,330
were the ideator of it, it's a bad look.

1247
01:43:02,810 --> 01:43:06,690
But I think removing that just even a little bit

1248
01:43:06,690 --> 01:43:10,870
allows people to feel freedom to experiment.

1249
01:43:11,630 --> 01:43:15,370
And that's kind of why the entertainment industry

1250
01:43:15,370 --> 01:43:16,910
exists to begin with.

1251
01:43:17,190 --> 01:43:21,330
And I think starting that sentiment locally, et cetera,

1252
01:43:21,330 --> 01:43:30,810
Will help tremendously. I agree with that profoundly. I come from a product management background in and product management has become

1253
01:43:31,390 --> 01:43:39,630
Reduced risk at all costs to make the most money off of like the sponge squeezing right and I think what misses is that last step in

1254
01:43:39,630 --> 01:43:44,750
Hey, I'm going to give you the information of where you should maybe go from a strategic perspective, but creatively

1255
01:43:45,350 --> 01:43:58,210
like take it and run with it, and do something amazing, and if it fails, cool, at least we did all the risk assessment at front, so we know where we're going to fall, if we fall, so I think that's missing, and we've lost that, and we can bring that back for sure.

1256
01:43:58,910 --> 01:44:09,810
Yeah, I mean, that's any business risk startup. It's like, you don't know, there's no guarantee, so maybe we got a little comfortable in the process, it sounds like, and it's time to switch it up.

1257
01:44:10,010 --> 01:44:10,690
What do you think out?

1258
01:44:10,690 --> 01:44:16,150
Yeah, I mean, to me, look, and don't please don't think that I'm anti-union or anything like that.

1259
01:44:16,150 --> 01:44:23,910
I was an IATSC member for years, but that's the one of the ice walls that we're facing right now.

1260
01:44:24,050 --> 01:44:32,450
Unfortunately, like, the thing is that there's this sense that, and, you know, look, I always use the Bronze Age collapse as the metaphor for this,

1261
01:44:32,790 --> 01:44:39,710
where we've had a total systemic collapse, and ultimately, you talk to any producer, and they will tell you,

1262
01:44:39,710 --> 01:44:44,470
are you kidding me, shooting in LA? You're insane.

1263
01:44:45,310 --> 01:44:49,970
They're literally, we're not going to ever do it again, considering the costs.

1264
01:44:50,970 --> 01:44:58,010
And so ultimately the thing is that we've hit a wall and that sort of wall, it has to break down,

1265
01:44:58,490 --> 01:44:59,950
but I don't know.

1266
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:21,200
I know how to do it unless people die. They just got to die off. I know that sounds horrible, but there's got to be this kind of layer that dies off because, you know, I talked to people that I've worked with for years who were in the local 600 camera union and the local 80 grips and local 44 and all of that kind of stuff.

1267
01:45:21,380 --> 01:45:28,260
And look, I know these people really well, but the bottom line is that, you know, that world doesn't exist anymore.

1268
01:45:28,260 --> 01:45:39,280
And you and I had the discussion about the Yamada, the Japanese battleship that they built in World War II, that they set sail, that was literally obsolete by the time it hit the water.

1269
01:45:39,600 --> 01:45:45,720
And I always tell people who want to do this job, don't be the deck gun coordinator on the Yamada.

1270
01:45:46,660 --> 01:45:52,460
You're fighting your honest ship and you're fighting a war that doesn't exist anymore.

1271
01:45:52,460 --> 01:46:01,460
And of course, that's why I'm chased around the parking lot with, you know, torches and pit tracks because I'm trying to to be as, you know, kind of realistic as I can about this.

1272
01:46:02,540 --> 01:46:04,920
And ultimately, I'm trying to, you know, it's a bitter pill to swallow.

1273
01:46:05,120 --> 01:46:06,820
I don't like it any better than anybody else.

1274
01:46:07,260 --> 01:46:10,360
But we have to metabolize that.

1275
01:46:10,880 --> 01:46:18,080
I mean, it sounds kind of exciting for independent creators, despite the potential lack of funding.

1276
01:46:18,080 --> 01:46:38,500
But if the machine is struggling right now, then there may be a gap for independent creators to come in and create at that level, potentially using AI, and maybe kind of replace this unionized centralized industry to a more creative independent.

1277
01:46:39,180 --> 01:46:54,500
And you know, look, I spoke at another Burbank thing a couple of months ago that was run by the city of Burbank as well with the, it was run by actually by the library of Burbank with the world's most loony and he was the great guy,

1278
01:46:56,540 --> 01:47:07,700
the library, but we had a, but this came up and looked, the bottom line is we had a whole panel on about kind of keeping work here with local government and all of that kind of stuff.

1279
01:47:07,800 --> 01:47:18,100
There's got to be a kind of governmental sort of, there has to be a local government and kind of, you know, really sort of, you know, city of Burbank, city of L.A., you know,

1280
01:47:18,100 --> 01:47:24,260
not just Governor Newsom giving us $750 million in tax incentives, that's not going, you

1281
01:47:24,260 --> 01:47:30,400
know, great, so we can pay, you know, we can do the same thing again over and over, we

1282
01:47:30,400 --> 01:47:38,400
can make another spider man. People like spider man, but, you know, look, I mean, the bottom line

1283
01:47:38,400 --> 01:47:45,480
is that that's dying. Okay, so little lightning round, let's rob this up. I'd be curious,

1284
01:47:45,480 --> 01:47:51,080
It's just in a sentence or two, a bold prediction or a opinion of what you did coming

1285
01:47:51,080 --> 01:47:52,480
with the last five years.

1286
01:47:59,200 --> 01:48:04,300
Wait, I want to make one quick comment on the independent thing, from a music perspective.

1287
01:48:04,460 --> 01:48:05,720
Okay, yeah.

1288
01:48:06,360 --> 01:48:12,440
Independent music is growing in terms of market share in the music industry, right?

1289
01:48:13,220 --> 01:48:19,300
I think it's a combination of sheer release volume and just focusing more on our traditional

1290
01:48:19,300 --> 01:48:24,730
traditional record labels, but the risk that comes with that is the artist then has to

1291
01:48:26,880 --> 01:48:32,560
that out here and then if you're assigned to a major label. Right, so all of a sudden and we have a couple

1292
01:48:32,560 --> 01:48:41,100
very big independent artists who are have fallen into structures and it's a different mindset. So I think

1293
01:48:41,100 --> 01:48:46,500
that you hear like, oh, independent artists are thriving or they're not thriving, but I could be successful.

1294
01:48:46,500 --> 01:48:52,380
It's a completely different mindset, and I think it's really important to acknowledge that, right?

1295
01:48:52,580 --> 01:48:59,980
Because that's a big deal, like you have to assemble a team that can then manage your infrastructure

1296
01:48:59,980 --> 01:49:05,100
as a business, not just be an artist, and that's a completely different mindset.

1297
01:49:05,540 --> 01:49:13,840
So what do you think in the little sentence five years now, what the artist's trajectory is going to look like?

1298
01:49:15,280 --> 01:49:17,180
That is a very tough question.

1299
01:49:17,460 --> 01:49:23,480
I think, unfortunately, the artist cycle has become shorter because you have to be a marketer

1300
01:49:23,480 --> 01:49:24,080
and artist.

1301
01:49:24,420 --> 01:49:30,020
You have to be everything and fans forget about you quickly unless you're really prolific

1302
01:49:30,020 --> 01:49:33,380
and you are really, really tendric Lamar, Adele, et cetera.

1303
01:49:33,440 --> 01:49:38,920
I can go away, put out an incredible body of our concept to it, but that's like the top

1304
01:49:38,920 --> 01:49:39,500
of the top.

1305
01:49:39,500 --> 01:49:46,280
I think that we're going to continue to see a lot of, like last year, it was one of the best years of breakout artists.

1306
01:49:46,840 --> 01:49:54,900
If you watch that Grammys, it was unbelievable, Shappel-Rone, Benson Boone, Sabrina Carpenter, Teddy Sway, it was like, dochi, it was unbelievable.

1307
01:49:55,660 --> 01:49:59,800
So I think artistry is thriving and the tools and but unfortunately.

1308
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:18,800
I think the career cycle is shorter. And we have to think about empowering that and helping you, you know, create and stay relevant and not have to be so stressed out like, oh, I have to drop a song every six weeks because that's what you do, you know.

1309
01:50:18,800 --> 01:50:26,360
Yes, as far as from a music standpoint, I think, again, ebs and flows, I think we're

1310
01:50:26,360 --> 01:50:34,640
going to go back to the era of the Madonna's and the Lady Gaga's who create worlds

1311
01:50:34,640 --> 01:50:42,260
around their personas, and that, again, fosters the longevity of career.

1312
01:50:42,260 --> 01:50:48,640
it fosters the duration of their album cycles and their single cycles.

1313
01:50:49,480 --> 01:50:56,320
In no world, or hits any less valuable, the hits are the things that kind of keep the lights on,

1314
01:50:56,920 --> 01:51:03,640
but ultimately creating worlds and having fans that are committed and dedicated

1315
01:51:04,260 --> 01:51:08,400
and interested in you and read the liner notes, remember that?

1316
01:51:08,400 --> 01:51:15,980
That I think is going to come back because we've been inundated with the tick-tock singles and

1317
01:51:16,780 --> 01:51:22,320
The artists don't always match the hits and we want to go back to that and people are craving it

1318
01:51:23,120 --> 01:51:30,040
Yay, I love that prediction. Okay, and then what about in the game world anything crazy coming up you think I think only crazy is coming up

1319
01:51:32,320 --> 01:51:34,460
I guess I've already do it in one sentence

1320
01:51:34,460 --> 01:51:43,440
I think you can see a lot of new IPs from smaller teams that publish and distribute along geo-political clients.

1321
01:51:44,040 --> 01:51:49,100
So a lot of relationships across borders, very specific relationships across putters.

1322
01:51:49,760 --> 01:51:56,260
And then the teams that really nail micro audiences are going to be the ones that succeed.

1323
01:51:57,140 --> 01:51:59,420
And then they will get gobbled up by the big ones.

1324
01:51:59,740 --> 01:52:00,880
I think a lot of consolidation.

1325
01:52:00,880 --> 01:52:08,740
And that's, for games, games is kind of, no offense to the rest of you guys, games is kind of winning right now in terms of media dollars.

1326
01:52:09,140 --> 01:52:17,440
I think you see a lot of big game publishers acting as M&A and buying up a lot of entertainment across the globe.

1327
01:52:18,120 --> 01:52:23,960
So, I'm excited for that, working in games, but it's going to be an interesting time, for sure.

1328
01:52:27,300 --> 01:52:28,900
You want my prediction in film or?

1329
01:52:28,900 --> 01:52:29,520
Yes, sir.

1330
01:52:30,320 --> 01:52:31,180
Or not.

1331
01:52:32,260 --> 01:52:38,400
Well, I think ultimately the reality here is that we don't need to be the amazing

1332
01:52:38,400 --> 01:52:41,600
crescan because the first part of this has already happened.

1333
01:52:42,440 --> 01:52:44,500
It's collapsing right now.

1334
01:52:44,600 --> 01:52:51,800
I mean, if someone had told me a couple of months ago that Warner Brothers would be up

1335
01:52:51,800 --> 01:52:58,520
for sale, and Disney would be crashing and all that I would say, are you insane, you're

1336
01:52:58,520 --> 01:52:58,900
high?

1337
01:52:58,900 --> 01:53:02,840
Um, you know, there's no way that's going to happen, but it is happening right now.

1338
01:53:02,940 --> 01:53:06,480
It's weird literally in the middle of it right now, but you know, the thing that makes

1339
01:53:06,480 --> 01:53:13,340
me excited as all the seeing the pockets of really crazy sort of gorilla warfare, one

1340
01:53:13,340 --> 01:53:19,500
that I really love is the idea that, do you guys watch flow, though, the, um, have you seen

1341
01:53:19,500 --> 01:53:19,780
flow?

1342
01:53:19,780 --> 01:53:20,500
You know what I'm talking about?

1343
01:53:20,620 --> 01:53:26,260
It's the Latvian animated movie that two dudes made that won the Academy Award for Best

1344
01:53:26,260 --> 01:53:32,280
animated picture and they used open source software called Blender to do it. And they

1345
01:53:32,280 --> 01:53:37,520
won the Academy Award. It's an amazing film. I would highly recommend that you

1346
01:53:37,520 --> 01:53:42,900
watch it. That's going to be the future. And what I love about this is that the

1347
01:53:42,900 --> 01:53:48,080
gatekeeping is starting to break down. The gatekeeping to essentially making

1348
01:53:48,080 --> 01:53:52,860
and distributing content is breaking down. And that's the most exciting thing

1349
01:53:52,860 --> 01:54:00,800
Because I mean, you guys, you know, you can't get a meeting with, you know, some of these people to pitch your idea, but now screw it.

1350
01:54:00,800 --> 01:54:05,200
You go off and you do it yourself like these two Latvian dudes did, right?

1351
01:54:05,420 --> 01:54:11,280
I mean, ultimately, that's what you do. And now with the rise of the really powerful AI tools,

1352
01:54:11,400 --> 01:54:15,080
I think we're going to see some really interesting things. The big question, and of course,

1353
01:54:15,220 --> 01:54:20,860
becomes how does it get monetized? How do you get paid for it? Because the standard distribution

1354
01:54:20,860 --> 01:54:23,640
and channels have broken down completely.

1355
01:54:25,540 --> 01:54:29,760
Wow, big times we live in crazy pivotal moment here.

1356
01:54:30,660 --> 01:54:32,860
Do we have time for like a question or two

1357
01:54:32,860 --> 01:54:35,180
because I'd be curious where everybody's heads at.

1358
01:54:35,400 --> 01:54:36,580
We've got the guy in glasses.

1359
01:54:36,860 --> 01:54:38,280
Okay, and we'll take two questions.

1360
01:54:38,660 --> 01:54:41,780
And then I think our panelists have said

1361
01:54:41,780 --> 01:54:44,500
that they will stay to answer them on your own.

1362
01:54:44,520 --> 01:54:45,300
Introduce yourself.

1363
01:54:45,760 --> 01:54:47,000
Yes, my name is Luis Vega.

1364
01:54:47,000 --> 01:54:59,960
My understanding is that AI is not copy-rightable, that things that are created using AI do not necessarily belong to the art.

1365
01:55:01,220 --> 01:55:15,000
The getty had the first AI photography exhibit and it was an issue because it was created with the usage of AI and they couldn't copyright it. Do you, are you aware of that or is that?

1366
01:55:15,000 --> 01:55:21,040
I come from a family of intellectual property rights lawyers, so ultimately yes, I am well aware.

1367
01:55:21,040 --> 01:55:29,320
And the thing is that ultimately if you look at some of these have you looked at like Disney versus mid-Journey or any of that's if you read these these cases

1368
01:55:29,320 --> 01:55:35,600
Yeah, I mean these are it's good. How about how are you all or how long do you think it's gonna take to settle that one?

1369
01:55:40,830 --> 01:55:41,510
10 years

1370
01:55:41,510 --> 01:55:45,790
easily and the thing is that ultimately these you know

1371
01:55:45,790 --> 01:55:50,310
Yes, there are copyright issues and everything. But by the time those get hashed out

1372
01:55:50,310 --> 01:55:54,270
there may be no copyright holders to sue.

1373
01:55:54,790 --> 01:55:58,530
I mean, ultimately, we're getting into brand new territory here.

1374
01:55:59,250 --> 01:56:00,750
So ultimately, yes, that is an issue.

1375
01:56:00,990 --> 01:56:03,050
And certainly, people who, I don't know what direction

1376
01:56:03,050 --> 01:56:05,010
is Disney, it's that way, right?

1377
01:56:05,010 --> 01:56:06,090
I wonder whether it's sort of there.

1378
01:56:06,350 --> 01:56:09,730
There is probably, there's a team of lawyers right now

1379
01:56:09,730 --> 01:56:13,550
in those buildings with the seven dwarfs holding them up

1380
01:56:13,550 --> 01:56:18,510
who are basically like, essentially like they're in there

1381
01:56:18,510 --> 01:56:35,310
And that's how they're salary for, you know, you're put your kids through college using, you know, these lawsuits against mid-Journey and against, you know, open AI and all of that kind of stuff, but this isn't going to get, this may not get settled in our lifetime.

1382
01:56:36,670 --> 01:56:45,390
I think it's extra complicated too because if I'm not mistaken, AI is obviously trained off of music. So what is it referencing to create that body of work?

1383
01:56:45,390 --> 01:56:47,630
Yeah, how do you unwind the copyright?

1384
01:56:47,890 --> 01:56:48,890
It's very, very tricky.

1385
01:56:49,450 --> 01:56:50,910
So yeah, we're going to be figuring this out

1386
01:56:50,910 --> 01:56:51,210
for a while.

1387
01:56:51,330 --> 01:56:52,490
We have another question.

1388
01:56:53,050 --> 01:56:53,630
Hey, guys.

1389
01:56:53,790 --> 01:56:55,190
I'm Katta Sam's Denver comedian.

1390
01:56:56,250 --> 01:56:58,090
So do you guys feel like a TikTok

1391
01:56:58,090 --> 01:57:00,250
which changes the music industry forever?

1392
01:57:01,150 --> 01:57:03,750
And they'll also fall down and answer questions.

1393
01:57:03,910 --> 01:57:05,470
Do you guys work with Denver comedian?

1394
01:57:06,790 --> 01:57:09,570
You guys know, like, right now, the number one song is golden

1395
01:57:09,570 --> 01:57:11,570
from K-Poverty, Mahunter, right?

1396
01:57:11,970 --> 01:57:13,830
So do you guys feel like animation,

1397
01:57:13,830 --> 01:57:18,810
important like music industry in different can era as well. Thank you. I'm

1398
01:57:18,810 --> 01:57:19,230
cat.

1399
01:57:23,250 --> 01:57:28,470
Currently we work with all kinds of entertainers that you should

1400
01:57:28,470 --> 01:57:32,450
answer the TikTok part of it because you have a very strong opinion and I

1401
01:57:32,450 --> 01:57:33,390
feel like it's valuable.

1402
01:57:36,000 --> 01:57:37,920
Was your question did TikTok change be a

1403
01:57:37,920 --> 01:57:48,260
Yeah, hundred percent. I think TikTok's unbelievable because it it caused YouTube, right?

1404
01:57:48,740 --> 01:57:56,760
Multi-multi-billion dollar company and Instagram meta to completely introduce products to react to TikTok.

1405
01:57:57,460 --> 01:58:06,960
And when you think about that, that's like pretty unbelievable, right? So these giant companies are reacting to this startup and then from a music standpoint

1406
01:58:06,960 --> 01:58:24,120
People are legitimately making songs specifically for TikTok and there's huge artists, huge songs popping up and people are producing songs or remixers that are on staff at a lot of these labels that are reediting and rearranging songs.

1407
01:58:25,180 --> 01:58:35,880
And there's an interesting study by a company called chart metric that showed since TikTok came how it changed the length of a song the intro, the chorus, the arrangement, it's super interesting.

1408
01:58:38,340 --> 01:58:45,060
long-term, we'll see what happens, how that impacts, where it goes, but it's changed like

1409
01:58:45,060 --> 01:58:51,300
every record label has a viral marketing team, every label has a research person and people

1410
01:58:51,300 --> 01:58:58,080
have, it's legitimately changed the course of music, where we're living currently is because

1411
01:58:58,080 --> 01:58:59,480
of TikTok in music.

1412
01:58:59,840 --> 01:59:00,340
It's unbelievable.

1413
01:59:04,300 --> 01:59:06,140
Do you want to add to that one real quick?

1414
01:59:06,140 --> 01:59:09,120
I think it's not just necessarily changing music.

1415
01:59:09,380 --> 01:59:11,960
It also is like changing pretty much all entertainment, right?

1416
01:59:14,320 --> 01:59:16,540
If I were a business student ten years from now,

1417
01:59:16,620 --> 01:59:19,680
I would be really excited to take a case study on TikTok

1418
01:59:19,680 --> 01:59:23,300
because it's time to market examples.

1419
01:59:23,640 --> 01:59:24,960
TikTok dances to Fortnite.

1420
01:59:25,020 --> 01:59:29,340
TikTok music to Fortnite dances is like an actual time to market evaluation.

1421
01:59:30,040 --> 01:59:33,380
The faster you can get there from TikTok then is the more money you'll make

1422
01:59:34,960 --> 01:59:40,580
or even like artists creating like just stems that can be put into like a 30 second video

1423
01:59:40,580 --> 01:59:44,740
just because they know it's going to be a dance like that's amazing I think so

1424
01:59:44,740 --> 01:59:48,420
we'll see what else comes out but that's the first big one I think that's really

1425
01:59:48,420 --> 01:59:59,540
done that. Okay we have one last question. Yeah my name is Josh founder and CTO of

1426
01:59:59,540 --> 01:59:59,960
1

1427
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:05,460
Local system, the infrastructure, talked to a lot of publishers. The number one thing is that the industry

1428
02:00:05,460 --> 02:00:10,860
is slow. There's a lot of legacy platforms when it comes to administration, publishing registration,

1429
02:00:11,580 --> 02:00:17,560
and getting these things at scale. So when you look at a platform like Sino, that has millions of users now, there's tens of

1430
02:00:17,560 --> 02:00:26,020
millions of things being generated daily. And we talk about 120,000 homes going into the actual music database daily. And it's kind of like a thing right now.

1431
02:00:26,020 --> 02:00:28,300
but it's tremendously growing past

1432
02:00:28,300 --> 02:00:32,580
the point of the legacy industry being able to handle that.

1433
02:00:32,840 --> 02:00:34,960
But there's new thing in regards to

1434
02:00:34,960 --> 02:00:37,120
stablecoin ecosystem infrastructure,

1435
02:00:37,680 --> 02:00:40,140
the closest thing we have to it is looking at

1436
02:00:40,140 --> 02:00:42,240
corn and market cap where there's plenty of value.

1437
02:00:42,700 --> 02:00:44,160
It's being handled easily daily.

1438
02:00:44,380 --> 02:00:47,280
You'll see Bitcoin at 60 billion to 80 billion plus

1439
02:00:47,280 --> 02:00:49,160
volume daily so there's a lot of transactions.

1440
02:00:49,680 --> 02:00:52,720
How do you see that ecosystem translating

1441
02:00:52,720 --> 02:00:55,920
into the music industry and what companies do you feel

1442
02:00:55,920 --> 02:00:57,840
Will or will not make it too bad?

1443
02:01:02,380 --> 02:01:03,320
Good question.

1444
02:01:05,740 --> 02:01:08,140
Yeah, I think we're witnessing a,

1445
02:01:08,260 --> 02:01:10,480
we're not a really cool time because there are these

1446
02:01:10,480 --> 02:01:14,440
legacy companies that have just sheer market, right?

1447
02:01:14,620 --> 02:01:17,420
They've positioned themselves at their own the copyrights

1448
02:01:17,420 --> 02:01:20,100
and they have so much bargaining power with the platform

1449
02:01:20,100 --> 02:01:24,600
because ultimately it used to be tower records, right?

1450
02:01:24,600 --> 02:01:25,300
Now it's Spotify.

1451
02:01:25,780 --> 02:01:30,300
And if you look at the market, like the cap table of Spotify

1452
02:01:30,300 --> 02:01:37,120
initially Warner, Sony, Universal, Tencent. There's like a crazy graph that shows four companies

1453
02:01:37,120 --> 02:01:43,280
that control the music, controls, Spotify, etc. And unfortunately there's supply chains and a lot

1454
02:01:43,280 --> 02:01:48,840
of things in there that were not designed for this output. Tune core, for example, is going through

1455
02:01:48,840 --> 02:01:56,240
a huge lawsuit from UMG because it's a DIY distribution platform or anyone in here can sign up

1456
02:01:56,240 --> 02:01:59,640
attribute music, but with that comes a lot of fraud, right?

1457
02:01:59,920 --> 02:02:02,540
So two, of course, getting sued for $500 million

1458
02:02:02,540 --> 02:02:05,880
because people don't have an upload and say,

1459
02:02:06,160 --> 02:02:09,740
oh, I uploaded a reona, and I'm done, and reona's done,

1460
02:02:09,840 --> 02:02:12,000
and that's happening at a huge scale.

1461
02:02:13,000 --> 02:02:17,660
Um, so I think that stablecoin blockchain, all of that

1462
02:02:17,660 --> 02:02:20,120
is incredible, but I think again, going back to what we

1463
02:02:20,120 --> 02:02:23,720
mentioned earlier, is the elephant in the room,

1464
02:02:23,720 --> 02:02:28,100
at least in music is the royalty accounting, right?

1465
02:02:29,280 --> 02:02:32,000
And high level, if I'm a label,

1466
02:02:32,280 --> 02:02:34,160
I'm essentially a bank offering an artist

1467
02:02:34,160 --> 02:02:36,020
a very, very high interest loan.

1468
02:02:36,560 --> 02:02:38,760
So it's in my best interest to spend money,

1469
02:02:39,100 --> 02:02:41,720
keep them underwater, and recruit at a huge rate,

1470
02:02:41,720 --> 02:02:44,420
180% return on a loan.

1471
02:02:45,260 --> 02:02:48,020
So I think in theory what you're saying is accurate.

1472
02:02:48,060 --> 02:02:51,000
And that's what we are building our business,

1473
02:02:51,060 --> 02:02:53,600
our royalty model, and we're paying out tens of millions

1474
02:02:53,600 --> 02:03:03,100
of dollars to artists through super transparent ways, but on a monthly basis, right, most labels

1475
02:03:03,100 --> 02:03:05,180
or distributors pay to you quarterly.

1476
02:03:05,720 --> 02:03:10,340
So I think that it has to happen, I think it can happen in the independent sector.

1477
02:03:10,740 --> 02:03:17,000
But I think the gatekeeper in that old system you referred to, it's not in their business model

1478
02:03:17,000 --> 02:03:19,660
to be transparent and they're publicly traded.

1479
02:03:19,660 --> 02:03:22,500
So now they're concerned about profitability.

1480
02:03:24,520 --> 02:03:26,300
So it's super complicated.

1481
02:03:26,980 --> 02:03:28,260
It's like such a complicated.

1482
02:03:28,540 --> 02:03:31,820
So what we have to do is allow independent companies and

1483
02:03:31,820 --> 02:03:35,620
musicians to thrive because if we as independent companies

1484
02:03:35,620 --> 02:03:38,180
can get enough markets here and come together

1485
02:03:38,180 --> 02:03:40,960
and force this change, then it'll happen.

1486
02:03:41,180 --> 02:03:42,760
But I think I'm right with you, man.

1487
02:03:43,740 --> 02:03:45,260
But they don't want that, right?

1488
02:03:46,460 --> 02:03:48,620
Like, people go to, when I was in my band,

1489
02:03:48,620 --> 02:03:56,480
I remember getting a statement and we moved to the UK and we met with our business manager and we're

1490
02:03:56,480 --> 02:04:03,260
going over our statements and there were like $800 dinners built to us that we are paying 50%

1491
02:04:04,380 --> 02:04:11,880
or coup. So 50% on top of the 800 right and then we started doing the math and that's what I realize

1492
02:04:11,880 --> 02:04:18,800
I'm not, I'm not being an artist, is not in my best career interest because we're going to

1493
02:04:18,800 --> 02:04:23,640
have to make like $10 million before we see our first dollar because of the way it's built,

1494
02:04:24,260 --> 02:04:29,000
and we never approve these marketing expenses, et cetera, but that stable coin system you

1495
02:04:29,000 --> 02:04:36,980
mentioned, I think that's the future of it. Great answer. I love this talk. I'm so glad we had this

1496
02:04:36,980 --> 02:04:42,760
day. I want to invite Neil up because he organized all of this and he's the one that builds

1497
02:04:42,760 --> 02:04:47,600
communities and brings people together with an industry's take it away. Thank you so much

1498
02:04:47,600 --> 02:04:48,500
for having us.

1499
02:04:52,840 --> 02:04:55,220
Thank you. Let's give another hand for our panel.

1500
02:05:00,140 --> 02:05:30,120
Yeah, I'm Neil with residents, I partners. We put, we convene innovation communities just like this and I think some of the biggest things we heard of just how much change is happening. The biggest thing to do is show up and share with each other so that we kind of are level selling with each other and sharing knowledge quicker because change is happening so fast. So kudos to all of you for coming out tonight. We convene actually on a almost monthly basis now for the city of Burbank and so our next event is November 19th and it's

1501
02:05:30,120 --> 02:05:33,420
a pure happy hour for start-up burbank.

1502
02:05:34,440 --> 02:05:36,200
We'll send an email out of where it is,

1503
02:05:36,360 --> 02:05:38,080
but November 19th is our next event.

1504
02:05:38,720 --> 02:05:39,840
And then we take a pause in December,

1505
02:05:39,960 --> 02:05:40,800
but we're back in January.

1506
02:05:41,360 --> 02:05:42,960
So thank you all for coming out.

1507
02:05:43,120 --> 02:05:44,820
We still have food and drink over there.

1508
02:05:45,820 --> 02:05:47,120
Feel free to, if you got a question,

1509
02:05:47,300 --> 02:05:48,560
still lingering, you want to ask the panelists.

1510
02:05:49,040 --> 02:05:50,640
Thanks for coming out, and we'll see you again soon.

1511
02:05:50,960 --> 02:05:51,300
Cheers everyone.

1512
03:01:29,780 --> 03:01:33,900
Mr. Chair of the Burbank Glendale Passina Airport Authority, roll call, please.

1513
03:01:36,700 --> 03:01:37,440
Commissioner Hampton.

1514
03:01:37,740 --> 03:01:38,960
Bless and honor to be here.

1515
03:01:39,100 --> 03:01:39,960
Commissioner Quintaro.

1516
03:01:40,180 --> 03:01:40,420
Here.

1517
03:01:40,740 --> 03:01:41,460
Commissioner Overham.

1518
03:01:42,140 --> 03:01:43,020
Commissioner Satryan.

1519
03:01:45,590 --> 03:01:46,510
Commissioner Lion.

1520
03:01:48,110 --> 03:01:48,910
Commissioner Brottman.

1521
03:01:49,670 --> 03:01:50,710
Commissioner Talmontess.

1522
03:01:51,310 --> 03:01:51,550
Present.

1523
03:01:52,030 --> 03:01:52,650
Commissioner Wilson.

1524
03:01:53,290 --> 03:01:53,370
Here.

1525
03:01:53,750 --> 03:01:54,410
Commissioner Gable Ready.

1526
03:01:54,790 --> 03:01:55,650
Here. Thank you.

1527
03:01:55,890 --> 03:01:57,790
Commissioner Brottman, would you leave us in the pledge?

1528
03:01:59,330 --> 03:02:04,730
Please, please place your right hand over your heart and repeat after me.

1529
03:02:04,810 --> 03:02:05,410
All right, please.

1530
03:02:06,230 --> 03:02:08,850
This is the last of the United States of America.

1531
03:02:09,570 --> 03:02:11,390
And to the Republic for what stands.

1532
03:02:11,870 --> 03:02:16,390
Well, a nation, America, individual, whatever it is, just as for all.

1533
03:02:21,520 --> 03:02:26,000
We also have a Commissioner of Satrin Online with us.

1534
03:02:27,280 --> 03:02:27,860
Hi, everyone.

1535
03:02:28,940 --> 03:02:29,340
Good morning.

1536
03:02:32,280 --> 03:02:34,060
We will go to the approval of the agenda.

1537
03:02:36,020 --> 03:02:38,280
We have a motion to approve the leader.

1538
03:02:38,860 --> 03:02:41,060
We have a motion to second all in favor.

1539
03:02:41,120 --> 03:02:41,640
Hi.

1540
03:02:42,040 --> 03:02:42,520
Hi.

1541
03:02:43,240 --> 03:02:43,640
Perfect.

1542
03:02:44,260 --> 03:02:45,860
Oh, I have to do a roll call, sorry.

1543
03:02:47,100 --> 03:02:48,060
Commissioner Hampton.

1544
03:02:48,440 --> 03:02:48,540
Yes.

1545
03:02:48,600 --> 03:02:49,380
Commissioner Quintarel.

1546
03:02:49,460 --> 03:02:49,960
Yes.

1547
03:02:49,960 --> 03:02:50,920
Commissioner Overem.

1548
03:02:51,280 --> 03:02:52,720
Commissioner Satryan.

1549
03:02:55,390 --> 03:02:56,110
Thank you.

1550
03:02:56,790 --> 03:02:57,590
Commissioner Lyon.

1551
03:02:58,010 --> 03:02:58,510
Commissioner Rotman.

1552
03:02:58,570 --> 03:02:58,930
Yes.

1553
03:02:58,930 --> 03:02:59,870
Commissioner Wilson.

1554
03:03:01,230 --> 03:03:02,010
Thank you.

1555
03:03:02,010 --> 03:03:07,400
Thank you. We will move to public comment.

1556
03:03:09,460 --> 03:03:16,960
We have seven or eight people to speak on an item that is not on the agenda this morning.

1557
03:03:17,660 --> 03:03:20,660
First of all, we have strong martins.

1558
03:03:24,870 --> 03:03:25,410
Two minutes.

1559
03:03:28,440 --> 03:03:32,580
Good morning. My name is strong martins. I'm an employee here at the Burbank airport.

1560
03:03:32,720 --> 03:03:36,780
And I'm speaking on behalf of myself and the rest of the employees here at the airport.

1561
03:03:38,780 --> 03:03:43,740
This includes our ramp staff, our cleaning staff, shuttle drivers, everyone who makes this

1562
03:03:43,740 --> 03:03:44,920
airport run smoothly.

1563
03:03:45,760 --> 03:03:52,400
Many of which do so, I'd only $17 an hour, as many of you know, or might not know that

1564
03:03:52,400 --> 03:03:56,820
LA County has implemented a Olympic wage ordinance.

1565
03:03:57,140 --> 03:04:01,580
This means, over the next few years, all of the employees at their airports, including

1566
03:04:01,580 --> 03:04:05,060
Van Eyes are going to be earning $30 an hour.

1567
03:04:05,520 --> 03:04:08,420
I know that the city of Pasadena has also

1568
03:04:08,420 --> 03:04:11,560
recognized the increased cost of living in Southern California

1569
03:04:11,560 --> 03:04:14,300
raising their minimum wage to 1850, which

1570
03:04:14,300 --> 03:04:14,840
in wage.

1571
03:04:15,720 --> 03:04:17,700
And additionally, Flendell, who's also

1572
03:04:17,700 --> 03:04:24,120
member of this hotel workers rate wages up to $25 an hour.

1573
03:04:24,640 --> 03:04:29,360
All this is to be said that the city of Burbank is still

1574
03:04:29,360 --> 03:04:31,680
sitting at the bear more for their employees.

1575
03:04:33,100 --> 03:04:38,880
And the cost of living according to MIT's estimations for the greater loss must bring

1576
03:04:38,880 --> 03:04:42,720
in $64,000 a year to have the bear minimum covered.

1577
03:04:43,800 --> 03:04:48,620
At this time, anyone making $17 an hour not even close at roughly 34.

1578
03:05:01,060 --> 03:05:15,720
We're asking for all of you today to sign a letter of support that we can then take to the Berbank City Council and ask for an ordinance to raise the living wage for airport workers and those supporting the tourism industry.

1579
03:05:16,180 --> 03:05:27,500
Berbank airport brings them 15 million a year. We're opening a brand new terminal. There's absolutely no reason why a top tier airport should have second tier workers in their wages.

1580
03:05:27,500 --> 03:05:34,580
In signing today, we see that you acknowledge us, the workforce and value are commitment

1581
03:05:34,580 --> 03:05:39,580
to you, and we'll cost no money to this airport, but bring all the value in the world

1582
03:05:39,580 --> 03:05:40,400
for its workers.

1583
03:05:41,100 --> 03:05:42,380
And the airport as a whole.

1584
03:05:42,700 --> 03:05:43,400
Thank you.

1585
03:05:47,560 --> 03:05:49,440
Next, we have La Sanjaro, Presa.

1586
03:06:01,380 --> 03:06:02,420
Good morning, commissioners.

1587
03:06:02,560 --> 03:06:03,880
My name is La Sanjaro, Presa.

1588
03:06:04,160 --> 03:06:06,140
And I am with United Local 11.

1589
03:06:06,800 --> 03:06:11,340
Workers at Hatsau will soon be receiving a wage increase to $24 an hour.

1590
03:06:11,340 --> 03:06:17,140
free full-time, free full-family healthcare, illegal fund, and more. Those are the kinds of employment

1591
03:06:17,140 --> 03:06:22,140
terms that create workforce stability that translates to quality service at the airport,

1592
03:06:22,520 --> 03:06:27,140
and economically uplifted people in all of our communities. With Marshall Retail Group,

1593
03:06:27,320 --> 03:06:32,640
slated to take over the retail, I am here because we're concerned Marshall may not be seeking to

1594
03:06:32,640 --> 03:06:38,920
retain all the workers. Where perplexed to why that may be. The current Hudson workers have the

1595
03:06:38,920 --> 03:06:44,480
experience and knowledge to continue to serve these airport well. This is also an expansion

1596
03:06:44,480 --> 03:06:49,620
of business for Marshall. We believe they will need more employees than those that Hudson current

1597
03:06:49,620 --> 03:06:55,560
has. Our Union urges that airport authority to make it clear that Marshall should retain all

1598
03:06:55,560 --> 03:06:57,200
these workers. Thank you.

1599
03:07:00,640 --> 03:07:09,260
Next we have Erin Rama. I'm sorry. I'm going to watch your name. Erin

1600
03:07:10,420 --> 03:07:13,560
I'd like to note that Commissioner Lyon has joined us.

1601
03:07:17,750 --> 03:07:19,090
Good morning, commissioners.

1602
03:07:19,470 --> 03:07:22,410
My name is Arun Ramakrishna, and I'm here with you night here at local 11.

1603
03:07:23,110 --> 03:07:26,490
Marshall Retail Group will soon take over the retail operations at Hudson.

1604
03:07:27,330 --> 03:07:32,090
As that transition moves forward, we ask the commission and airport staff to make work

1605
03:07:32,090 --> 03:07:35,510
horse stability a clear priority with the new concessionaire.

1606
03:07:36,150 --> 03:07:40,170
The current workers know this airport understand the passengers and even know the regulators,

1607
03:07:40,170 --> 03:07:44,770
and importantly, have the experience needed to ensure continuity of service.

1608
03:07:45,350 --> 03:07:49,950
Preserving that workforce will help give the incoming operator the strongest possible start.

1609
03:07:50,550 --> 03:07:54,110
We hope this transition will build upon the progress already made and maintain the stability

1610
03:07:54,110 --> 03:07:57,950
that benefits workers, passengers, and the entire airport. Thank you.

1611
03:08:00,410 --> 03:08:01,830
Cano Williams,

1612
03:08:14,390 --> 03:08:17,970
good morning commissioners. My name is Carla and I'm being working here and

1613
03:08:17,970 --> 03:08:25,650
cut some for 20 years. For me, this place is not just a job, it's a home. So for us to come,

1614
03:08:25,710 --> 03:08:32,750
another company to come and take over over us is very frustrating and very stressful situation

1615
03:08:32,750 --> 03:08:40,810
because they want to change our shift. We're not even giving the opportunity to be able to pick up

1616
03:08:42,450 --> 03:08:48,550
It's very hard for us to be changed, but somebody that just came over here, we've been here for 20 years.

1617
03:08:49,230 --> 03:08:55,750
And we provide a lot of good customer service to all these passengers that come to the airport every single day.

1618
03:08:56,230 --> 03:09:00,930
And so I'm looking for you guys to look if you can help us.

1619
03:09:00,930 --> 03:09:09,390
And a way to see if they can keep or same hours because working here for 20 years, it's very, it's very hard for us to start over again.

1620
03:09:09,390 --> 03:09:12,190
thank you.

1621
03:09:15,090 --> 03:09:18,510
Pablo do go around today.

1622
03:09:28,950 --> 03:09:31,130
Good morning commissioners. My name is

1623
03:09:31,130 --> 03:09:38,050
Guadalajana. I have worked at the airport for 13 years. My co-workers and I have

1624
03:09:38,050 --> 03:09:44,270
given years of service to this airport. We show up health passengers and keep

1625
03:09:44,270 --> 03:09:49,890
these businesses operating every day. I was proud to learn that this airport

1626
03:09:49,890 --> 03:09:58,330
authority, admin, admitting a worker retention policy but despite that, I am really concerned

1627
03:09:58,330 --> 03:09:59,970
that Marsha Retail Group made.

1628
03:10:00,000 --> 03:10:15,920
Not offer all of us the opportunity to stay on at the new airport terminal. Please do not wait until workers have already been excluded or lost their jobs as airport staff to state clearly.

1629
03:10:15,920 --> 03:10:18,240
Now, that measure, measure,

1630
03:10:18,900 --> 03:10:24,060
little group should retain every worker who wants to stay.

1631
03:10:24,620 --> 03:10:29,740
Worker, retention should mean real job, community, for all of us.

1632
03:10:30,200 --> 03:10:30,820
Thank you.

1633
03:10:31,120 --> 03:10:31,920
Thank you.

1634
03:10:32,340 --> 03:10:32,420
Thank you.

1635
03:10:33,880 --> 03:10:37,120
Our last speaker is Xavier Cartillo.

1636
03:10:47,280 --> 03:10:49,120
Good morning, everybody. How are you guys doing today?

1637
03:10:49,360 --> 03:10:51,960
You know, I like to say working here at Burbank Airport.

1638
03:10:52,360 --> 03:10:53,500
It's awesome opportunity.

1639
03:10:54,080 --> 03:10:54,620
I love it.

1640
03:10:54,620 --> 03:10:59,540
I've made everybody here like my family and personally, I think everybody that's sitting out there has met me.

1641
03:11:00,120 --> 03:11:04,200
And, you know, I'd like to say through everything, everyone here has shown me nothing but kindness.

1642
03:11:04,700 --> 03:11:06,480
And, you know, it's a great thing to get.

1643
03:11:06,900 --> 03:11:14,300
And I've met a lot of people here that are struggling, whether it's to provide for them families, or themselves, or anything that they're trying to do, you know?

1644
03:11:15,020 --> 03:11:20,340
And it's just hard to watch people like that suffer and put in nothing but hard to work effortlessly.

1645
03:11:20,340 --> 03:11:22,940
and continuously ask for nothing in return, you know.

1646
03:11:23,360 --> 03:11:26,060
So I ask that you guys find that letter

1647
03:11:26,060 --> 03:11:28,040
and just agree with us and, you know,

1648
03:11:28,140 --> 03:11:30,760
it doesn't have to be $30.25 is even cool,

1649
03:11:31,400 --> 03:11:33,160
but, you know, we need a living wage,

1650
03:11:33,280 --> 03:11:35,000
we need to make money so we can all live

1651
03:11:35,000 --> 03:11:37,340
and provide for our families and each other

1652
03:11:37,340 --> 03:11:39,580
and you know, continue to show love to each other

1653
03:11:39,580 --> 03:11:40,980
because at the end of the day,

1654
03:11:41,060 --> 03:11:43,100
this is just all one big community man.

1655
03:11:43,400 --> 03:11:45,520
And we gotta give each other what we get.

1656
03:11:46,440 --> 03:11:49,400
And, you know, I just think we all need to unite

1657
03:11:49,400 --> 03:11:54,040
and come together and, you know, see each other for what it is, and, you know, I'm ashamed

1658
03:11:54,040 --> 03:11:58,080
to see that my ramp workers aren't here, and you guys are the ones that are going to

1659
03:11:58,080 --> 03:11:58,680
make it happen.

1660
03:11:58,940 --> 03:12:00,280
So let's get out there and do it.

1661
03:12:00,440 --> 03:12:02,660
Thank you, everybody, and have a good day.

1662
03:12:03,080 --> 03:12:03,580
Thank you.

1663
03:12:09,430 --> 03:12:14,590
Before we move into the agenda, I assume that there might be some comments from our commissioners

1664
03:12:14,590 --> 03:12:15,430
on this item.

1665
03:12:15,430 --> 03:12:17,850
So I would like to hear those now.

1666
03:12:18,090 --> 03:12:23,170
I would like to just make a brief comment as it relates to the signing of the letter.

1667
03:12:23,170 --> 03:12:32,390
I think getting commissioner here has the opportunity to sign that letter, but they'd like to sign that, and the commission wants to have that on the agenda, we could bring that back.

1668
03:12:33,010 --> 03:12:41,030
As for the worker retention, John, isn't it true that all of our employees have first right of hire?

1669
03:12:41,030 --> 03:12:54,270
And under the consistent agreements that you had authorized in February last year, there is a worker retention requirement, there's also an eligibility requirement for that worker retention, and so we'll double-check with out of the year.

1670
03:12:54,570 --> 03:13:10,150
I would like to hear back from the Marshall Group because the changing of the hours and things like that, that's detrimental to understand that people get hired in hours and things like that change, but ultimately we have told our residents, we've told our region that our airport is going to be the same.

1671
03:13:10,150 --> 03:13:12,910
and part of the reason why airport is an amazing airport.

1672
03:13:13,410 --> 03:13:15,330
It's not because planes fly out of here.

1673
03:13:15,330 --> 03:13:17,510
It's because the way people feel when they come here.

1674
03:13:17,850 --> 03:13:20,930
And that's because of the employees that we have employed

1675
03:13:20,930 --> 03:13:21,550
at this airport.

1676
03:13:21,950 --> 03:13:23,970
So I want to make sure that we're doing all we can

1677
03:13:23,970 --> 03:13:25,390
to retain those employees.

1678
03:13:25,890 --> 03:13:29,510
Before I go, I'm going to ask my colleagues

1679
03:13:29,510 --> 03:13:31,490
who have any comments they'd like to make.

1680
03:13:32,110 --> 03:13:37,710
Commissioner, I'd like to agenda his discussion

1681
03:13:37,710 --> 03:13:45,570
So that the commission can consider writing a letter to the Burbank City Council.

1682
03:13:45,930 --> 03:13:48,310
If that's a motion, I would second it.

1683
03:13:48,510 --> 03:13:52,570
So we have a motion, we don't, we can place it on the agenda.

1684
03:13:53,770 --> 03:13:54,730
That's fine.

1685
03:13:55,050 --> 03:13:55,890
Is everybody in?

1686
03:13:56,950 --> 03:13:59,370
Yes, I don't believe we need a motion.

1687
03:13:59,590 --> 03:14:05,010
I believe that if certainly the majority of this commission wants to have it on the agenda,

1688
03:14:05,010 --> 03:14:12,410
We can ask that you placed on the agenda for full discussion answering the questions answering the questions

1689
03:14:12,990 --> 03:14:15,370
of those who came today to speak.

1690
03:14:16,410 --> 03:14:17,050
We'll put it on you.

1691
03:14:17,230 --> 03:14:19,130
This is a September 21st agenda.

1692
03:14:19,450 --> 03:14:19,570
Thank you.

1693
03:14:19,750 --> 03:14:21,530
Thank you.

1694
03:14:21,950 --> 03:14:29,650
If I might just a second, if I could add to that when we do bring that back, there were a few things

1695
03:14:29,650 --> 03:14:31,090
that were brought to my attention.

1696
03:14:31,910 --> 03:14:34,130
One, including the work of retention issue,

1697
03:14:34,850 --> 03:14:37,970
something in our contract, and I can't be more specific

1698
03:14:37,970 --> 03:14:41,950
because I just heard this on a phone call

1699
03:14:41,950 --> 03:14:45,890
and don't remember the details, but something in our contract

1700
03:14:46,670 --> 03:14:49,770
did not necessarily cover all the employees

1701
03:14:49,770 --> 03:14:54,310
or there was a timing issue that ended up leaving

1702
03:14:54,310 --> 03:14:57,250
some employees out of the protections.

1703
03:14:57,250 --> 03:14:59,950
So I'd like to, you know, see you.

1704
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:05,900
If we can get details on that, another issue has to do with a labor piece agreement. What I was told

1705
03:15:05,900 --> 03:15:13,840
is that there is no labor piece agreement currently in place in the contract with Marshall.

1706
03:15:14,020 --> 03:15:19,440
There was language about that, but it only required that one be signed, not that one be retained.

1707
03:15:20,200 --> 03:15:27,260
So apparently there was one signed. Again, this is all from one source. So I'm just telling you what

1708
03:15:27,260 --> 03:15:35,820
heard, but one was signed with a group that perhaps isn't even present at the airport that

1709
03:15:35,820 --> 03:15:40,900
was terminated. There is currently no labor piece of agreement in place. So I'd like that

1710
03:15:40,900 --> 03:15:47,600
to, if we could also be brought back so we can get, get down to the details on what the contracts

1711
03:15:47,600 --> 03:15:53,380
says, what the current conditions are and then if we need to sign a letter or make a statement,

1712
03:15:53,380 --> 03:15:54,680
that we can do it at that time.

1713
03:15:55,180 --> 03:15:55,720
Sounds good.

1714
03:15:55,880 --> 03:15:56,580
One last question.

1715
03:15:57,520 --> 03:15:57,660
Come on.

1716
03:15:58,000 --> 03:15:59,620
You can probably set what data is come back.

1717
03:15:59,640 --> 03:16:00,480
When will it come back?

1718
03:16:00,740 --> 03:16:01,420
The 21st.

1719
03:16:01,420 --> 03:16:02,680
The 21st year next year.

1720
03:16:02,940 --> 03:16:03,100
Thank you.

1721
03:16:03,800 --> 03:16:05,760
I think we need to talk about this.

1722
03:16:05,820 --> 03:16:06,380
We're prosper.

1723
03:16:06,820 --> 03:16:08,120
I think our employees are prosper.

1724
03:16:09,080 --> 03:16:11,460
I think we definitely need to talk about this.

1725
03:16:12,080 --> 03:16:13,240
So, thank you.

1726
03:16:14,360 --> 03:16:15,120
Mr. Wilson.

1727
03:16:15,840 --> 03:16:18,320
I did think it's it's worth I just looking at this information.

1728
03:16:18,320 --> 03:16:25,940
and see that it's his most airport employees to make roughly $17 at our, I think any employees

1729
03:16:25,940 --> 03:16:34,020
that we directly have that work for the authority make, tremendously more than $17 an hour.

1730
03:16:34,040 --> 03:16:39,500
I think we need to be clear about what who works for the contractors is, I think, is important

1731
03:16:39,500 --> 03:16:40,160
differentiation.

1732
03:16:40,480 --> 03:16:45,540
So that's why it's important that the language around what our contracts have is important.

1733
03:16:45,540 --> 03:16:57,160
There's authority only employees directly, you know, our police department, but it's, I'm sure average wage is for, you know, officers is much quicker than $17.

1734
03:16:57,460 --> 03:17:05,520
So I just think it's clear for the public to know who's employees and who are contractors through, and how we work through that issue.

1735
03:17:05,960 --> 03:17:06,420
And it's this way.

1736
03:17:07,960 --> 03:17:10,600
Thank you, we will move on to our consent calendar.

1737
03:17:10,920 --> 03:17:13,360
Is there a motion to approve the consent calendar?

1738
03:17:13,360 --> 03:17:15,560
Now move the consent calendar.

1739
03:17:16,520 --> 03:17:17,580
We have a motion in a second.

1740
03:17:17,760 --> 03:17:18,160
I would.

1741
03:17:18,640 --> 03:17:22,740
I'd like to pull item 60 and discuss it.

1742
03:17:22,800 --> 03:17:24,780
It's about the new parking rates.

1743
03:17:26,240 --> 03:17:27,520
That's that's not the consent.

1744
03:17:27,760 --> 03:17:29,000
Oh, that's not.

1745
03:17:29,000 --> 03:17:29,560
That's on action.

1746
03:17:29,920 --> 03:17:30,360
I know.

1747
03:17:31,540 --> 03:17:32,060
Never mind.

1748
03:17:32,140 --> 03:17:33,060
Don't pull it.

1749
03:17:34,140 --> 03:17:35,100
Thank you.

1750
03:17:35,840 --> 03:17:36,160
All right.

1751
03:17:36,340 --> 03:17:37,920
So we have any other.

1752
03:17:38,360 --> 03:17:38,700
Any.

1753
03:17:38,960 --> 03:17:40,460
We have public comment on.

1754
03:17:40,680 --> 03:17:41,600
No, I have to take a roll.

1755
03:17:41,760 --> 03:17:42,860
Okay, perfect. Thank you.

1756
03:17:42,860 --> 03:17:47,180
Commissioner Hampton. Yes. Commissioner Quintara. Yes. Commissioner Overem. Yes. Commissioner

1757
03:17:48,460 --> 03:17:53,800
Assaturian. Yes. Commissioner Lyon. Yes. Commissioner Brottman. Yes. Commissioner Talemontess. Yes.

1758
03:17:53,820 --> 03:18:00,110
Commissioner Wilson. Yes. Commissioner Gable Ladi. Yes. Thank you. And I noticed that the room is still

1759
03:18:00,110 --> 03:18:06,170
packed, but all of those that are still in the room on the 21st year of opportunity come back.

1760
03:18:06,490 --> 03:18:13,290
Just so you know, if you want to leave. This is like a watching pain dry sometimes. So we will move on

1761
03:18:13,290 --> 03:18:18,970
Item 6 A. The first item here for the Commission's consideration is an approval of an

1762
03:18:18,970 --> 03:18:25,370
aid-in contract deposit for the city of Burbank. This is for your community substation that is

1763
03:18:26,290 --> 03:18:31,410
our last installment for the program and Mr. Perry Martin from Jacobs, who will be making the

1764
03:18:34,330 --> 03:18:36,410
Good morning, commissioners.

1765
03:18:37,730 --> 03:18:44,430
As John mentioned, seeking the approval to approve what we think is a lot, or what we believe

1766
03:18:44,430 --> 03:18:48,410
is going to be the last AIC payment to be WP for the community substation.

1767
03:18:49,390 --> 03:19:01,070
This AIC is for $19,670,000, which will bring our total for the substation AICs to a grant

1768
03:19:01,070 --> 03:19:03,910
a total of $70 million, $253,000.

1769
03:19:05,150 --> 03:19:08,690
This last AIC is to supplement or to enable

1770
03:19:08,690 --> 03:19:11,750
BWP to execute a contract with the design builder

1771
03:19:11,750 --> 03:19:15,230
to actually start the construction of it.

1772
03:19:15,430 --> 03:19:17,990
They plan to execute a contract by the end of this year.

1773
03:19:19,350 --> 03:19:23,650
With this AIC payment out of our owner's contingency,

1774
03:19:24,190 --> 03:19:28,930
that brings our balance down to roughly $1.8 million remaining.

1775
03:19:31,400 --> 03:19:38,560
So we're just seeking your approval to cut this check to AIS to DWP as soon as possible.

1776
03:19:38,700 --> 03:19:39,820
I'll move the item.

1777
03:19:40,460 --> 03:19:40,980
It's second.

1778
03:19:41,340 --> 03:19:42,100
We'll move to the second.

1779
03:19:42,960 --> 03:19:43,460
Any discussion?

1780
03:19:44,740 --> 03:19:45,120
Question.

1781
03:19:45,520 --> 03:19:46,540
Couldn't mention a Wilson.

1782
03:19:48,840 --> 03:19:56,620
We're just looking at, I'm trying to reconcile this 70 million, the 56 million.

1783
03:19:59,470 --> 03:19:59,970
in the first.

1784
03:20:02,000 --> 03:20:09,040
I'm sorry. I didn't understand your question. It says on the table, total is 70 million in change. Yes, sir.

1785
03:20:09,740 --> 03:20:13,820
And the original budget was 56 million. It's on that box.

1786
03:20:14,040 --> 03:20:18,240
It's three. 56 million is the budget for the owner's contingency.

1787
03:20:19,080 --> 03:20:23,180
Oh, that's owner's contingency. Yes. Sorry. Okay. And we have 1.99.

1788
03:20:23,780 --> 03:20:26,180
Okay. We should. No problem.

1789
03:20:26,180 --> 03:20:27,680
Any other questions?

1790
03:20:29,500 --> 03:20:31,700
Roll call, please.

1791
03:20:32,280 --> 03:20:32,920
Commissioner Hampton.

1792
03:20:33,200 --> 03:20:33,340
Yes.

1793
03:20:33,340 --> 03:20:34,340
Commissioner Quintero.

1794
03:20:34,520 --> 03:20:34,720
Yes.

1795
03:20:34,880 --> 03:20:35,620
Commissioner Overem.

1796
03:20:36,500 --> 03:20:37,160
Yes.

1797
03:20:39,840 --> 03:20:40,560
Commissioner Lyon.

1798
03:20:40,980 --> 03:20:41,700
Commissioner Brottman.

1799
03:20:42,040 --> 03:20:42,140
Yes.

1800
03:20:42,140 --> 03:20:42,900
Commissioner Talimantes.

1801
03:20:43,320 --> 03:20:43,340
Yes.

1802
03:20:43,440 --> 03:20:44,040
Commissioner Gibson.

1803
03:20:44,540 --> 03:20:44,760
Yes.

1804
03:20:46,420 --> 03:20:46,940
Thank you.

1805
03:20:47,740 --> 03:20:48,620
Thank you.

1806
03:20:48,760 --> 03:20:52,560
We'll move on to item six B, which is a professional service agreement.

1807
03:20:53,460 --> 03:21:01,460
Yes, this is for the services provided by the University of Allied Universal Services, and there's three items here.

1808
03:21:01,640 --> 03:21:09,360
One is the extension of their agreement for the invoking their last option, for their services, which is a traffic control,

1809
03:21:10,100 --> 03:21:12,220
and your security information play every booth.

1810
03:21:12,600 --> 03:21:19,180
The second item is the mutual termination of inspection service agreement,

1811
03:21:19,180 --> 03:21:22,560
because allied provides inspection services that your

1812
03:21:22,560 --> 03:21:29,160
concessioners pay directly through full reimbursement for the inspection of

1813
03:21:29,160 --> 03:21:31,540
the goods and services with a retail or food.

1814
03:21:31,920 --> 03:21:36,120
The other agreement is for the reestablishment with the new vendors.

1815
03:21:36,980 --> 03:21:38,800
Now, I need to bring something up.

1816
03:21:38,920 --> 03:21:44,760
We found an error in the agreement that MRG pointed out, so we are fixing that agreement

1817
03:21:44,760 --> 03:21:51,460
and that we'll not, we ask you to allow us to make the change, prove it, but make the change

1818
03:21:51,460 --> 03:21:56,600
with them to make sure we, through our authority council, make sure we have the right language

1819
03:21:56,600 --> 03:21:57,240
in the document.

1820
03:21:57,620 --> 03:22:01,020
So with that, Ms. Don't think if you can explain the services that will be provided.

1821
03:22:01,940 --> 03:22:03,540
Good morning, commissioners.

1822
03:22:05,600 --> 03:22:09,620
So to explain the services provided, we're seeking commission

1823
03:22:09,620 --> 03:22:11,120
approval for the three items,

1824
03:22:11,720 --> 03:22:13,300
the amendment number four,

1825
03:22:13,640 --> 03:22:15,580
which is the final one year option we have

1826
03:22:15,580 --> 03:22:16,840
with Allied next year.

1827
03:22:17,400 --> 03:22:19,080
This goes out to RFP,

1828
03:22:19,820 --> 03:22:21,640
and we will be seeking new

1829
03:22:21,640 --> 03:22:22,160
bitters.

1830
03:22:23,920 --> 03:22:25,480
So this agreement covers us from

1831
03:22:25,480 --> 03:22:29,760
November 26 to October 27.

1832
03:22:31,380 --> 03:22:33,240
The second item, as Mr.

1833
03:22:33,280 --> 03:22:35,100
Altenock mentioned, is the proposed

1834
03:22:35,100 --> 03:22:38,180
mutual termination reimbursement agreement

1835
03:22:38,180 --> 03:22:45,920
between the authority, MCS, and HP Burbank, which we know as Hudson News.

1836
03:22:47,060 --> 03:22:50,500
That agreement was signed back in October of 2018.

1837
03:22:51,180 --> 03:22:58,100
It was part of agreement worked out with the vendors because of the fact TSA could no longer guarantee

1838
03:22:58,100 --> 03:23:03,220
hours to get consumer goods through the checkpoint through the increase in passengers.

1839
03:23:04,520 --> 03:23:10,360
That reimbursement rate was eventually amended and split 50-50 between the two vendors.

1840
03:23:12,000 --> 03:23:17,360
Another part of the agreement was added was to allow, for instance, MCS needed more

1841
03:23:17,360 --> 03:23:19,600
hours than Hudson News wanted to share.

1842
03:23:20,620 --> 03:23:28,240
So we came, we've created the option to allow, for instance, Hudson had said no MCS needed

1843
03:23:28,240 --> 03:23:31,500
those hours, so we had MCS only hours as well.

1844
03:23:32,740 --> 03:23:42,060
So, moving forward with the new RPT, we have the agreement between the authority, MCS, and MRG.

1845
03:23:42,640 --> 03:23:48,700
Again, to split the cost of the 50, the contract or the agreement is based off of the 2018 agreement,

1846
03:23:48,800 --> 03:23:53,120
carrying forward all the different amendments that we had done in that agreement.

1847
03:23:55,320 --> 03:23:55,960
So,

1848
03:24:00,030 --> 03:24:02,110
the proposed amendment number four.

1849
03:24:04,490 --> 03:24:09,210
is technically above CPI, allied came to us.

1850
03:24:09,370 --> 03:24:12,710
They gave us their proposed rates for the new building.

1851
03:24:13,150 --> 03:24:14,510
We took a look at those.

1852
03:24:14,530 --> 03:24:16,110
We analyzed it.

1853
03:24:17,050 --> 03:24:19,330
We proposed to go forward with them.

1854
03:24:19,350 --> 03:24:22,550
The fact allied has been a very valuable partner.

1855
03:24:23,250 --> 03:24:24,570
They've exceeded our expectations.

1856
03:24:24,950 --> 03:24:27,710
They understand the customer service needed to operate

1857
03:24:27,710 --> 03:24:28,650
out an airport.

1858
03:24:29,230 --> 03:24:31,990
I believe it was Commissioner Hampton a couple of years ago,

1859
03:24:32,210 --> 03:24:36,590
state of the, it asked Alai guards around here some questions out on the curb

1860
03:24:36,590 --> 03:24:40,390
about where stuff was and they were able to tell you right away where to go and how,

1861
03:24:40,390 --> 03:24:45,690
you know, to get there, that's in part thanks to the training that Alai puts

1862
03:24:45,690 --> 03:24:51,590
our staff through to make sure that we have the great and excellent customer service out there.

1863
03:24:54,920 --> 03:24:59,960
The amount above CPI just that we're recommending is 0.8.

1864
03:25:00,000 --> 03:25:08,680
4% or, based on the type of position, 1.6% above the CPI level. Any questions?

1865
03:25:09,640 --> 03:25:15,520
John, you mentioned there was some sort of additional amendment that's not captured. Can you describe

1866
03:25:15,520 --> 03:25:22,640
that? That's to do with the new agreement between MRG, MCS and L-I, and there's a clarification

1867
03:25:22,640 --> 03:25:29,500
that we needed to, for both MCS and MRG in the event, you do have a new vendor come in

1868
03:25:29,500 --> 03:25:35,260
ballm after you do an RFP next year. So it's mechanics around the mechanics around that.

1869
03:25:40,320 --> 03:25:42,780
I have no, I'm prepared to move this item. We have a motion.

1870
03:25:43,280 --> 03:25:47,300
I can. And I just with this staff additional language.

1871
03:25:50,210 --> 03:25:53,210
Yes, and I'd like to reiterate the statement that I made before.

1872
03:25:53,210 --> 03:26:02,010
I like security in your teams, training of these employees has been superb and still to this day.

1873
03:26:02,170 --> 03:26:03,310
I still ask these questions.

1874
03:26:04,210 --> 03:26:04,870
Thank you.

1875
03:26:05,110 --> 03:26:09,310
As a matter of fact, I think they're also connected with the traffic control.

1876
03:26:10,530 --> 03:26:18,410
So the traffic control going and coming into the air port with all the construction happening on Hollywood way,

1877
03:26:18,910 --> 03:26:20,450
it's almost non-existent.

1878
03:26:20,450 --> 03:26:44,110
At least from my experience and I've been driving through here on the past couple of weeks now and I would say that, you know, when you have major construction happening there's always a lot of heart ache around that and it's smooth sailing so please um to your team to allied and everyone involved making sure that that is a smooth sailing without without lots of complaints it's amazing.

1879
03:26:44,110 --> 03:26:52,410
We'll let the construction of it and the traffic control be working from LEC, LNL and LISA providing the crosswalk protection.

1880
03:26:53,050 --> 03:26:59,810
So we appreciate everyone working together and coordinating it and to Mr. Martin's credit for making sure everything is coordinated.

1881
03:27:00,110 --> 03:27:01,970
We appreciate the crosswalk also.

1882
03:27:03,730 --> 03:27:04,290
Thank you.

1883
03:27:04,410 --> 03:27:05,530
We have a motion in second.

1884
03:27:07,210 --> 03:27:07,770
Roll call.

1885
03:27:07,890 --> 03:27:08,710
Commissioner Hampton.

1886
03:27:09,030 --> 03:27:09,190
Yes.

1887
03:27:09,190 --> 03:27:09,870
Commissioner Quintaro.

1888
03:27:10,210 --> 03:27:10,650
Yes.

1889
03:27:11,690 --> 03:27:12,550
Commissioner O'Satrian.

1890
03:27:13,410 --> 03:27:13,770
Yes.

1891
03:27:13,770 --> 03:27:18,190
Missionary Lyon, Missionary Brutman, Missionary Talimontez, Missionary Wilson,

1892
03:27:18,410 --> 03:27:22,950
Missionary Wilson, Missionary Gable Daddy, and yes, and you did it on the pedestrian

1893
03:27:24,590 --> 03:27:29,030
access and safety, it's a great job. We'll pass it along to all the companies.

1894
03:27:29,710 --> 03:27:29,710
Please do.

1895
03:27:32,180 --> 03:27:37,560
Our next item is, um, 60. This is an amendment to at least that we have with the

1896
03:27:37,560 --> 03:27:42,560
General Service Administration for two current leases that cover operations here at this airport

1897
03:27:42,560 --> 03:27:45,440
Mr. Henderson, your Director of Properties will be making presentation.

1898
03:27:49,010 --> 03:27:50,750
Good morning, President commissioners.

1899
03:27:51,650 --> 03:27:58,270
So for this item, at its meeting on July 20, the Finance and Admin Committee voted 3-0 to

1900
03:27:58,270 --> 03:28:03,130
recommend that the Commission approved the proposed lease and amendments with General Service

1901
03:28:03,130 --> 03:28:08,770
Administration or GSA, and that's to comply with the language modification mandated under

1902
03:28:08,770 --> 03:28:16,210
executive order 14398. And this is for two leases with between the authority in the GSA. One

1903
03:28:16,210 --> 03:28:22,550
is a 2011 hangar lease. And then the other is a 2023 terminal space lease for the exclusive

1904
03:28:22,550 --> 03:28:28,110
space with the TSA. So just to give a little bit more background information on that, the 2011

1905
03:28:28,110 --> 03:28:34,310
lease, GSA was awarded a 15 year hangar lease. And this is for hanger 34. It's for the purpose of

1906
03:28:34,310 --> 03:28:40,130
a modular office unit, hanger 34's in the northwest quadrant of the airport, and it's for

1907
03:28:40,130 --> 03:28:47,950
a 40,000 344 square foot hanger space. And that lease was actually amended just recently

1908
03:28:47,950 --> 03:28:54,010
to go out to May 25th, 2027. We're looking at a longer extension with the GSA for this one,

1909
03:28:54,430 --> 03:28:59,690
but we're extending out to May of next year. And this is just to allow staff to have additional

1910
03:28:59,690 --> 03:29:03,470
time to work with the GSA just because of their administrative processes that they have.

1911
03:29:03,470 --> 03:29:10,930
And then for the May 2023 lease, this was for the terminal space lease with GSA on behalf

1912
03:29:10,930 --> 03:29:16,470
of the TSA, and that's for the 3500 square feet of exclusive use space in the existing

1913
03:29:16,470 --> 03:29:17,370
terminal building.

1914
03:29:18,190 --> 03:29:24,690
That contract will expire very soon upon the opening of the RPT and the closure of the existing

1915
03:29:24,690 --> 03:29:25,270
facility.

1916
03:29:26,010 --> 03:29:31,830
And then June of this year, we did receive lease amendments from the GSA, and this is to

1917
03:29:31,830 --> 03:29:38,070
incorporate that language required under executive order 1, 4, 3, 9, 8, and this is regarding the

1918
03:29:38,070 --> 03:29:44,690
contractual requirements involving DEI practices by federal contractors. These amendments do not

1919
03:29:44,690 --> 03:29:54,050
have any revenue impacts to the two existing leases, which for hanger 34 that's $930,000 per year,

1920
03:29:54,050 --> 03:29:59,970
And then for the existing agreement with TSA in the existing building, that's one.

1921
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:07,300
1847,000 per year for terminal space lease. So, just to recap, at the committee meeting on July 20, the committee

1922
03:30:07,300 --> 03:30:13,200
did vote to recommend the commission to prove the proposed lease amendments of GSA and authorized the president to execute the same.

1923
03:30:14,840 --> 03:30:23,880
Question. Commissioner, line. Thank you. The city pass the DNA is involved in litigation, ongoing litigation around

1924
03:30:24,700 --> 03:30:30,880
Executive Board of the language that's very similar to this in a different context in the grant making context.

1925
03:30:32,880 --> 03:30:48,440
But we were recently granted a preliminary injunction with the other, with the other plaintiffs on the basis that this language both mistakes the law and violates the separation of powers of the U.S. Constitution, because it oversteps the authority of the executive.

1926
03:30:48,440 --> 03:30:59,680
that may be different in the context of contracting, but in that it is inconsistent with

1927
03:30:59,680 --> 03:31:08,080
this institution's inclusive hiring policies, and likely does mistake the law around

1928
03:31:08,080 --> 03:31:13,420
inclusive hiring, I have concerns about including this in any contract that we put out.

1929
03:31:13,420 --> 03:31:18,920
is there anything in the contract that sets this language apart and says that it's here

1930
03:31:18,920 --> 03:31:22,640
only pursuant to an executive order?

1931
03:31:26,660 --> 03:31:29,800
Basically, I mean, it is part of the executive order,

1932
03:31:30,180 --> 03:31:35,960
I mean, it's specifically separate from all the other contract terms of the agreement between

1933
03:31:35,960 --> 03:31:41,080
the authority and GSA. Is there anything in there that defines this as, these are not our definitions,

1934
03:31:41,380 --> 03:31:46,040
these are not our policies, we're required to include this pursuant to executive order,

1935
03:31:46,040 --> 03:31:49,100
I might be a question for Terrence.

1936
03:31:49,380 --> 03:31:52,940
Yeah, I mean, I couldn't speak to whether it applies directly to it.

1937
03:31:52,960 --> 03:31:54,440
I'm not asking for the applies.

1938
03:31:54,580 --> 03:31:58,220
I'm asking if there's language in there in the contract that sets it apart.

1939
03:32:01,940 --> 03:32:01,960
Okay.

1940
03:32:01,960 --> 03:32:02,620
Morning, commissioner.

1941
03:32:02,640 --> 03:32:03,160
Good morning, commissioner.

1942
03:32:03,900 --> 03:32:06,780
Um, I don't have the language right in front of me.

1943
03:32:06,900 --> 03:32:10,340
But my memory is it does say it does reference the executive order.

1944
03:32:10,500 --> 03:32:13,820
It says this is being done person went to this executive order.

1945
03:32:13,840 --> 03:32:14,600
That Thomas mentioned.

1946
03:32:14,600 --> 03:32:15,600
I'd like to see that.

1947
03:32:16,320 --> 03:32:17,260
I mean, I don't have it in the package.

1948
03:32:19,200 --> 03:32:27,660
So I'll move that we that we that we table this and continue to our next item and bring back the contracts so we can if we're setting aside the language

1949
03:32:28,940 --> 03:32:31,980
As as strictly a requirement of the federal government.

1950
03:32:32,660 --> 03:32:34,480
I can probably live with it.

1951
03:32:34,580 --> 03:32:45,280
Okay, but but just in terms of balancing both my fiduciary duties here and to the city of Pasadena I can't undermine our litigation position unless I see what's said in the contract.

1952
03:32:50,060 --> 03:33:03,130
I just want to be clear that you're suggest, I mean, obviously come back, but that we could pull a disclaimer language in this.

1953
03:33:03,370 --> 03:33:04,130
Yeah. I think it would be the same.

1954
03:33:04,390 --> 03:33:12,170
I know that says as you said earlier, maybe your requirement of the federal government, but in our practices, we note that, that's YNZ.

1955
03:33:13,640 --> 03:33:20,420
Yes, Mr. Bogot, is that something you can consider when you bring it back to us so we can bring it back in a minute?

1956
03:33:20,680 --> 03:33:23,820
We can absolutely consider, we can absolutely consider that.

1957
03:33:24,000 --> 03:33:29,640
We'd have to talk to the GSA to make sure that they will sign it with that sort of caveats.

1958
03:33:29,880 --> 03:33:31,840
But yes, we can bring it back.

1959
03:33:32,460 --> 03:33:33,040
We have two options.

1960
03:33:33,760 --> 03:33:36,380
If the Commission will wait just a couple of minutes, I can grab my iPad.

1961
03:33:36,520 --> 03:33:38,740
We can double check the language as it currently stands.

1962
03:33:38,740 --> 03:33:44,540
If the commission wants to do more than simply say that this new clause is per the executive order

1963
03:33:44,540 --> 03:33:46,180
if you want some sort of

1964
03:33:46,180 --> 03:33:51,240
caveat or some sort of qualifier this is we have a wrong thing that we prefer then that's that

1965
03:33:51,240 --> 03:33:55,180
What I would take this you've come back let us come back at the next meeting with that language as well

1966
03:33:55,180 --> 03:33:59,620
And also we would need to talk to GSA to make sure that they will look they will sign it with that language

1967
03:33:59,620 --> 03:34:05,400
I'll give you that break it back go dear. Yeah, I want to just give them the opportunity to go to his iPad and have a look at it

1968
03:34:05,400 --> 03:34:11,320
We could pause this for right now and move to item we still have other than if we can't solve it. Okay, then we go

1969
03:34:11,320 --> 03:34:16,620
I think I'm probably gonna want to distance ourselves to the furthest extent. We can

1970
03:34:17,760 --> 03:34:22,720
I don't even know why we're in the middle of it the GSA is is is

1971
03:34:22,720 --> 03:34:26,220
Could have their own agreement with a veteran government on this, right?

1972
03:34:27,360 --> 03:34:31,820
Well, there is the agreement is at least for them to have space at the airport so it's at least with us

1973
03:34:31,820 --> 03:34:36,060
despite the language and it is sort of badly written because refers to us as the contractor.

1974
03:34:36,620 --> 03:34:41,000
Right. We are the less or. Right. And you know, just in my experience, we don't the foot.

1975
03:34:41,200 --> 03:34:44,620
And many times, the federal government will say, dictate, here is the language you have to

1976
03:34:44,620 --> 03:34:48,860
have to have and you have to use. And you can't really tweak it to fit your context. You just

1977
03:34:48,860 --> 03:34:54,060
verbatim or told to insert it. So in the contract we're signing, we're defined as the contractor.

1978
03:34:54,740 --> 03:34:59,300
It's weird the less or but I think earlier, you right before you now are two amendments and all you

1979
03:34:59,300 --> 03:34:59,980
But in the agenda

1980
03:35:00,000 --> 03:35:09,420
In the fact that there are two amendments for existing leases, it is existing leases that say less contractor means less or. And we are defined as less or so you don't have that.

1981
03:35:09,740 --> 03:35:12,580
I don't even need to see the language. I can't, I can't.

1982
03:35:13,080 --> 03:35:19,360
Yeah, we can bring it back but I, I'm not going to be able to support something that has us agreeing to these policies.

1983
03:35:19,860 --> 03:35:21,100
We can bring it back to the next meeting.

1984
03:35:21,480 --> 03:35:22,460
Thank you.

1985
03:35:22,740 --> 03:35:23,520
We'll bring that.

1986
03:35:23,720 --> 03:35:29,820
It gives you, it gives you time to call GSA and say, if, if this happens,

1987
03:35:29,820 --> 03:35:31,880
What's your stand on there?

1988
03:35:32,160 --> 03:35:33,420
It's more a hell question.

1989
03:35:34,040 --> 03:35:34,320
Thank you.

1990
03:35:34,800 --> 03:35:37,880
This will be table till the 21st.

1991
03:35:38,140 --> 03:35:39,920
Is that perfect?

1992
03:35:40,460 --> 03:35:41,160
Thank you.

1993
03:35:41,160 --> 03:35:44,680
John, any implications in terms of new terminal operations?

1994
03:35:45,480 --> 03:35:47,720
Well, the next one will be, that will be the next one.

1995
03:35:47,880 --> 03:35:50,820
It's a lease for the new terminal building.

1996
03:35:50,840 --> 03:35:51,980
That's the thicker document.

1997
03:35:52,280 --> 03:35:56,720
This is for the entire TSA operation within the RPT.

1998
03:35:58,580 --> 03:36:01,120
And this is one, but they do the final says the less Thor.

1999
03:36:02,760 --> 03:36:04,260
And they are the contractor?

2000
03:36:07,800 --> 03:36:11,300
They are the LSE, on behalf of the TSA.

2001
03:36:11,800 --> 03:36:13,860
But is that language in here again?

2002
03:36:14,280 --> 03:36:15,000
Yes, sir.

2003
03:36:15,820 --> 03:36:17,100
And be in a line with this as well.

2004
03:36:17,360 --> 03:36:18,640
That says the contractor or the

2005
03:36:21,070 --> 03:36:25,150
who's bound by this executive order in the new agreement?

2006
03:36:25,290 --> 03:36:26,770
The Lessor is bound by it.

2007
03:36:28,990 --> 03:36:30,010
We're going to have the same issue.

2008
03:36:31,110 --> 03:36:35,010
Do you want to review this item right now? Are we going to retakeling this one as well?

2009
03:36:35,830 --> 03:36:36,830
It sounds like a magical table.

2010
03:36:37,450 --> 03:36:37,770
Mm-hmm.

2011
03:36:37,970 --> 03:36:38,750
Those tables.

2012
03:36:39,250 --> 03:36:41,350
I move it back on the 21st.

2013
03:36:41,810 --> 03:36:44,010
And also, let us know what the implications are.

2014
03:36:44,950 --> 03:36:47,630
Does this mean that we're not able to open up our terminal of the time?

2015
03:36:47,930 --> 03:36:50,130
We could be running into it because right now,

2016
03:36:50,210 --> 03:36:52,750
the TSA is trying to move ahead without this document.

2017
03:36:53,050 --> 03:36:54,130
They're taking a risk.

2018
03:36:54,570 --> 03:36:59,450
But they do need this lease in order to begin their operations on the 13th of October.

2019
03:37:00,410 --> 03:37:07,750
And that should be put in the memo and staff report when it comes back to us.

2020
03:37:07,990 --> 03:37:08,450
Yes sir.

2021
03:37:08,490 --> 03:37:08,750
Okay.

2022
03:37:09,390 --> 03:37:09,690
All right.

2023
03:37:09,890 --> 03:37:16,570
We will move to, so item C and D are both tabled into the 21st.

2024
03:37:17,210 --> 03:37:20,710
We will move to item six E.

2025
03:37:21,930 --> 03:37:28,950
This is regarding as being brought back because it's a request for a revised parking rate for day one.

2026
03:37:28,950 --> 03:37:32,810
Commissioner Wilson, I recommend that they step up a program.

2027
03:37:33,230 --> 03:37:35,950
Mr. Campbell is here to make that presentation.

2028
03:37:36,490 --> 03:37:41,590
In your packet, there is a PowerPoint, then this can you bring it up, please?

2029
03:38:02,960 --> 03:38:03,880
Good morning, commissioners.

2030
03:38:04,520 --> 03:38:13,180
Today's staff is seeking the Commission approval on three related recommendations for the RPT day one opening.

2031
03:38:14,120 --> 03:38:16,600
There are three recommendations before you today.

2032
03:38:16,600 --> 03:38:24,280
The first, the replacement passenger terminal step up rate structure for the RPT parking structure.

2033
03:38:25,080 --> 03:38:33,100
Second, the employee monthly parking fee, and third, the EV charging rates for the new parking structure.

2034
03:38:39,540 --> 03:38:45,900
On July 20, staff presented its recommendation for the replacement passenger terminal day one parking rates.

2035
03:38:45,900 --> 03:38:53,860
Based on the airport consultants recommendation, the market analysis with the other Southern

2036
03:38:53,860 --> 03:38:57,240
California airports, so we did a market analysis on that.

2037
03:38:57,480 --> 03:39:01,660
The Commission Director's staff through Explore is step up approach that would open the

2038
03:39:01,660 --> 03:39:09,260
RPT Park Instructure at a revised self park and a valet rate through June 30th, 2027.

2039
03:39:09,260 --> 03:39:17,300
and then through July 1, 20, or excuse me, and then in effect, July 1, 2027.

2040
03:39:18,300 --> 03:39:23,300
Staff requested Jacob's project manager to perform supplemental analysis to determine whether

2041
03:39:23,300 --> 03:39:29,500
step-up rate structure would still allow the authority to meet its fiscal year, 207

2042
03:39:29,500 --> 03:39:37,480
budget parking revenues. Additionally, staff also reviewed the 30 plus years of the employee

2043
03:39:37,480 --> 03:39:44,500
parking rate, which hasn't been changed since the 1990s, of $17 per month for the tenant

2044
03:39:44,500 --> 03:39:48,340
employees, approximately a 50 cents a day.

2045
03:39:49,040 --> 03:39:53,620
Other changes are the installation of the new EV charges in the replacement passenger

2046
03:39:53,620 --> 03:39:59,840
terminal required under the city ordinance based on the discussion with the commission.

2047
03:40:00,000 --> 03:40:07,460
At its August 17, 2026 meeting, staff identified initial EV charging rate for the replacement

2048
03:40:07,460 --> 03:40:13,780
passenger terminal structure that would be competitive with other EV chargers while still being

2049
03:40:13,780 --> 03:40:15,840
sufficient to cover the ONM costs.

2050
03:40:19,180 --> 03:40:24,400
Here is the new revised step up for the day one parking

2051
03:40:24,400 --> 03:40:30,280
rates at the replacement passenger terminal. So the initial rate, which is the day one,

2052
03:40:30,280 --> 03:40:39,540
which is October 13th through June 30th of 2027, for the valet, we are recommending a $59 rate,

2053
03:40:39,540 --> 03:40:44,100
hourly rate, or excuse me, daily rate for the self-park 49.

2054
03:40:45,300 --> 03:40:52,080
So the original right now, the valet is 42, and the self-park is 40.

2055
03:40:53,580 --> 03:40:58,580
The remote lot, lot F, that would be at 28, that would stay the same.

2056
03:40:58,580 --> 03:41:05,060
LITG would be a reduction of 8% to 26 or student to 24 dollars.

2057
03:41:05,900 --> 03:41:07,880
Effective July 1st, 2027.

2058
03:41:08,620 --> 03:41:13,620
We would then implement the rates that we initially recommended back on July 20th.

2059
03:41:14,380 --> 03:41:21,380
At $68 for the valet, 54 for the self-park and 28 for F.

2060
03:41:21,960 --> 03:41:24,320
And we would keep it at 24 for G.

2061
03:41:24,320 --> 03:41:25,040
The

2062
03:41:30,640 --> 03:41:37,300
step-up parking rate was determined by Jacobson staff likely to meet the 2027 adopted budget, revenue,

2063
03:41:37,400 --> 03:41:42,900
a parking revenue for 2027, which was approximately 35.5 million.

2064
03:41:43,980 --> 03:41:50,360
This assumes passenger activity level, achieves forecast of approximately 6.3 million passengers.

2065
03:41:51,680 --> 03:41:58,440
The step-up approach would result in approximately 1 million loss, or excuse me, less revenues

2066
03:41:58,440 --> 03:42:01,160
compared to implementing the original proposed

2067
03:42:01,160 --> 03:42:04,460
higher rates for the RPT day one opening.

2068
03:42:05,880 --> 03:42:07,620
The gross rate reduction is partially,

2069
03:42:08,360 --> 03:42:11,140
but not fully offset by the higher projected

2070
03:42:11,140 --> 03:42:14,100
retention of demand within the parking structure.

2071
03:42:14,900 --> 03:42:18,380
So in essence, what we're going to do is we're charging

2072
03:42:18,380 --> 03:42:22,140
less so we can lose some revenue per customer,

2073
03:42:22,720 --> 03:42:25,960
but we expect the lower rates to retain

2074
03:42:25,960 --> 03:42:32,840
and attract more customers, the additional volume makes up for some but not all of the

2075
03:42:32,840 --> 03:42:40,340
lost revenue. So basically volume we should be able to attract and retain those

2076
03:42:40,340 --> 03:42:46,260
passengers. The step-up structure would moderate the increase experienced by customers

2077
03:42:46,260 --> 03:42:53,660
relative to the current airport parking structure and valet rates, which I said

2078
03:42:53,660 --> 03:42:57,300
just recently was $42 and $40.

2079
03:42:57,860 --> 03:43:01,900
Additionally, staff plans to implement a ramp up to the maximum daily rate.

2080
03:43:02,380 --> 03:43:05,780
And if you want to look at that, that's on the staff report page three.

2081
03:43:06,280 --> 03:43:11,060
We would start for the first hour, so we want to change that rate

2082
03:43:11,060 --> 03:43:16,820
for the remote lots to start at $5 for the first hour.

2083
03:43:17,040 --> 03:43:22,340
And then we would go increments every 30 minutes after that.

2084
03:43:22,340 --> 03:43:24,500
and it's on page three, you can look at that.

2085
03:43:24,640 --> 03:43:26,440
The replacement passenger and terminal structure

2086
03:43:26,440 --> 03:43:27,840
we would start at $9.

2087
03:43:33,650 --> 03:43:35,730
The employee parking rate, as discussed,

2088
03:43:35,930 --> 03:43:40,430
we have not changed that since the 1990s at $17 a month.

2089
03:43:41,090 --> 03:43:43,550
They're currently an average of about $1,200 monthly

2090
03:43:43,550 --> 03:43:48,490
airport employees that generate approximately $240,000 a year.

2091
03:43:48,890 --> 03:43:52,790
Staff recommends revising the rate to $30 per month,

2092
03:43:52,830 --> 03:43:55,570
which is approximately $1 per day.

2093
03:43:55,570 --> 03:43:58,790
to support the ongoing O&M and capital improvements.

2094
03:43:59,290 --> 03:44:03,730
And this is the current rate that's 17, the proposed is 30.

2095
03:44:04,330 --> 03:44:07,170
We did a analysis of the other airports.

2096
03:44:07,830 --> 03:44:12,690
You're seeing that Ontario's 50 Long Beach has kind of a two-tier,

2097
03:44:12,870 --> 03:44:16,730
one's kind of a close-in, which is 50 and a remote,

2098
03:44:16,930 --> 03:44:19,370
which is 20, LAX is 60.

2099
03:44:23,210 --> 03:44:30,870
The EV charging rates, we are installing or has it installed, excuse me.

2100
03:44:31,210 --> 03:44:36,750
We've installed all of the EV chargers at the replacement passenger terminal, parking facility,

2101
03:44:37,390 --> 03:44:41,370
and that is 299 EV charging ports were installed.

2102
03:44:42,150 --> 03:44:47,910
And that is the requirement of Burbank or Nens requirement for the new parking, public parking

2103
03:44:47,910 --> 03:44:48,610
garage.

2104
03:44:49,250 --> 03:44:56,330
And the public parking garage, Mayor member, we have 200 stalls for the new parking structure.

2105
03:44:57,290 --> 03:44:58,630
There are four days of thousands.

2106
03:44:58,770 --> 03:44:59,710
I'll excuse me, 2000.

2107
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:10,940
The report pays 30 cents per kilowatt for electricity and also shares 10 percent of the gross section fees with the EV charge operator blink.

2108
03:45:12,140 --> 03:45:24,800
Staff recommends a 50 cents kilowatt rate with no session or occupancy fees. The self-part EV chargers and a flat $20 handling fee for the valet.

2109
03:45:24,800 --> 03:45:29,660
So right now, what we'll do is if customer comes to Valle and they request that to be charged,

2110
03:45:30,740 --> 03:45:35,800
we have certain charging units that will charge, and on their invoice we'll dis-show

2111
03:45:35,800 --> 03:45:42,000
a handling fee of a flat $20 or excuse me, right now, $6, but we would just show that

2112
03:45:42,000 --> 03:45:45,480
as a $20 fee, kind of like what we do right now for Valle.

2113
03:45:47,320 --> 03:45:54,100
As you can see, the energy rate, what we're proposing is 50 cents, and the session fees and

2114
03:45:54,100 --> 03:45:58,340
some of the samples that we did for Burbank, Lendale, and Pasadena.

2115
03:46:02,460 --> 03:46:05,240
So in conclusion, staff recommends a commission

2116
03:46:05,240 --> 03:46:10,460
to prove the following, effective on the day one, opening of the new replacement

2117
03:46:10,460 --> 03:46:18,300
Passenger terminal, October 13th of the step-up rate for day one parking rates at $59.

2118
03:46:19,140 --> 03:46:19,820
And $49.

2119
03:46:19,820 --> 03:46:29,140
and then effective the July 1st, 2027 of the State of Rates, which is 68 and 54.

2120
03:46:30,480 --> 03:46:36,620
And the daily rates for the remote, 28 and 24 for G, increased the monthly parking

2121
03:46:36,620 --> 03:46:43,520
feed to $30 a month, and set the new EV charging rates at 50 cents.

2122
03:46:43,800 --> 03:46:46,200
And I'd be happy to answer any questions at this time.

2123
03:46:47,760 --> 03:46:48,340
Questions?

2124
03:46:49,080 --> 03:46:50,540
I'm not sure you're going to let it.

2125
03:46:50,580 --> 03:46:51,480
Thank you.

2126
03:46:56,140 --> 03:47:00,060
The handling fee is another source of revenue.

2127
03:47:01,240 --> 03:47:03,340
A small amount, but yes.

2128
03:47:03,700 --> 03:47:06,620
They covers, of course, the moving the cars back and forth.

2129
03:47:06,760 --> 03:47:07,400
Right, right.

2130
03:47:07,400 --> 03:47:09,360
No, I'm not disagreeing with it.

2131
03:47:09,360 --> 03:47:19,900
I'm just wondering whether or not you were able to conclude how much revenue that might raise

2132
03:47:19,900 --> 03:47:25,560
In addition to the first step of the step up parking rate.

2133
03:47:25,920 --> 03:47:31,840
So right now, the current structure that we have with the current activity that people

2134
03:47:31,840 --> 03:47:38,780
are requesting is about $4, about $4 drivers a day at $6.

2135
03:47:39,440 --> 03:47:43,780
So we didn't do the analysis on that, but I mean, if we're doing $4 of a day or a day.

2136
03:47:43,780 --> 03:47:44,900
$100 a day roughly.

2137
03:47:44,900 --> 03:47:51,320
it's yeah it's minimal um like I said we're charging six dollars right now and so we're

2138
03:47:51,320 --> 03:47:55,640
gonna go up to twenty dollars so right now we're not charged any kilowatt hours it was an agreement

2139
03:47:55,640 --> 03:48:00,400
with the city of Burbank over there we will be so we'll be putting a dumb unit if I can just

2140
03:48:00,400 --> 03:48:06,760
it's a dumb unit down in Valet which the parking operator will then plug in and charge that as an

2141
03:48:06,760 --> 03:48:16,540
voice when they requested. My second question is, I'm expecting that before we actually see

2142
03:48:16,540 --> 03:48:25,820
the step-up in July of 27, we get data regarding the revenue estimate you're presenting

2143
03:48:25,820 --> 03:48:33,880
tonight, but today is about a million dollar loss, less, and what the use is of the parking

2144
03:48:33,880 --> 03:48:42,620
graduate self so that we can consider the step-up recommendation in July of 27 having been

2145
03:48:42,620 --> 03:48:49,140
informed of what the performance was over the prior several months. And if we go forward with

2146
03:48:49,140 --> 03:48:53,020
this today, I'm going to suggest that that be an amendment to our action.

2147
03:48:55,300 --> 03:48:58,460
And those are my questions.

2148
03:49:02,740 --> 03:49:08,700
I agree on the parking search I'd like to see you do in Reggers applying demand and you

2149
03:49:08,700 --> 03:49:13,700
think the price will get the parking structure fuller and I'd like to agree with the

2150
03:49:13,700 --> 03:49:14,160
Comments.

2151
03:49:14,480 --> 03:49:20,660
Let's see what those results are on how occupied that 2000 space parking structure is.

2152
03:49:21,640 --> 03:49:27,320
The demanding I wanted to ask on the employee parking is their availability of electric charging

2153
03:49:30,660 --> 03:49:41,900
The new employee parking lot that we're creating, which is a lot to see, and that is actually changing over, does not have any EV chargers at that location.

2154
03:49:42,500 --> 03:49:55,920
We will have EV chargers at the close-in lot, which we call the surface lot, which will have tenants management and other supervisors that will be able to park there, but not the remote lot.

2155
03:49:55,920 --> 03:49:59,960
Okay, and I would not for now, we're busy now, but I would think we aren't as look at it.

2156
03:50:00,000 --> 03:50:09,960
That down the road, I would like to incentivize employees also to have electric cars and to have a lot where they can come to work and plug in the car.

2157
03:50:11,360 --> 03:50:16,040
So for how many electric stalls do we have in the new part of the 2000 structure? How many of those are electric?

2158
03:50:16,420 --> 03:50:18,080
We have 299.

2159
03:50:18,680 --> 03:50:23,600
So out of 2000, let's call it 300 or electric and I'm hoping.

2160
03:50:23,600 --> 03:50:29,060
that have support, that have the support, the platform for it, but others, there's additional

2161
03:50:29,060 --> 03:50:32,360
that have the infrastructure that we can deploy more.

2162
03:50:32,760 --> 03:50:38,020
From the 99 charges are in the unit, there is plump for additional, as you move up according

2163
03:50:38,020 --> 03:50:40,100
to the bank ordinances.

2164
03:50:40,240 --> 03:50:40,540
Okay, great.

2165
03:50:40,840 --> 03:50:44,600
I hope we can incentivize people using it, but at some point I'd like to go back and

2166
03:50:44,600 --> 03:50:48,940
look at the employee parking lot to see if we can provide charges of employee parking lot

2167
03:50:48,940 --> 03:50:51,980
to incentivize employees to also use electric cars.

2168
03:50:51,980 --> 03:50:58,180
We can take a look at the infrastructure to see what the requirement come back because that'll be a capital project to consider down the line

2169
03:50:59,100 --> 03:51:01,040
Now I should don't want to thank you those EV

2170
03:51:02,040 --> 03:51:02,440
parking

2171
03:51:03,900 --> 03:51:07,800
units that are available the two eighty three hundred approximately two hundred

2172
03:51:07,800 --> 03:51:15,860
are they available to anybody but they restricted just to EVs we would we would

2173
03:51:15,860 --> 03:51:25,400
encourage that EV cars park there and I use them but thinking if it's you know if

2174
03:51:25,400 --> 03:51:30,500
we're really full I think if we're real successful which I hope we are yeah there's

2175
03:51:30,500 --> 03:51:39,320
300 that are available, and if they're not being used, I think when if we are confronted

2176
03:51:39,320 --> 03:51:46,000
with that, where it is very full and the EV Chargers are not being utilized by EV cars,

2177
03:51:47,080 --> 03:51:53,860
we would have to work with our law enforcement chief and to make sure that if we do that,

2178
03:51:54,380 --> 03:51:59,000
we just make sure that how we communicate it to the public, because right now we don't

2179
03:51:59,000 --> 03:52:06,920
have any plaques to say EV only, but it's a sparking spot with availability of EV charging.

2180
03:52:07,400 --> 03:52:14,540
Yeah, so we may be put on the front sign that EV chargers are available for non-EV, but we

2181
03:52:14,540 --> 03:52:19,840
would have to look at that down the line. We don't want to make that right now on something

2182
03:52:19,840 --> 03:52:22,860
that may or may not happen, but we would encourage EV cars.

2183
03:52:22,860 --> 03:52:27,380
something the mayor may not have. Anyway, I would encourage the

2184
03:52:27,380 --> 03:52:33,160
stars to part of it. We have, we have thought about it, we've even, you know,

2185
03:52:33,240 --> 03:52:39,340
law enforcement. How do we regulate that? How do we do that? Because then let's say

2186
03:52:39,340 --> 03:52:42,560
they're all taken and then we do have somebody that wants to come in and use it,

2187
03:52:44,180 --> 03:52:48,860
then, you know, the other side makes it, we don't have any availability. So there's

2188
03:52:48,860 --> 03:52:52,120
both sides to it, but yes, we have thought about it. Thank you. Commissioner

2189
03:52:52,120 --> 03:52:56,900
are the EVs catered to the different floors, or they clustered?

2190
03:52:57,120 --> 03:52:57,640
They are.

2191
03:52:57,840 --> 03:53:02,160
They're scattered throughout, and then we also have some in the valet, which I said,

2192
03:53:02,360 --> 03:53:03,740
we call them a dumb unit.

2193
03:53:04,740 --> 03:53:07,540
So, there's no requirement to put a charge.

2194
03:53:07,560 --> 03:53:10,960
We just charge a flat fee on the request.

2195
03:53:11,640 --> 03:53:15,380
So, yes, they are throughout the entire parking structure.

2196
03:53:17,180 --> 03:53:21,160
I think Commissioner Wilson then followed by over and then back to Commissioner Gabilite.

2197
03:53:22,020 --> 03:53:28,080
Yeah, I like the idea of having a EV priority, and if you can flip it, one to nine, or some operational issues.

2198
03:53:28,540 --> 03:53:33,020
Can you tell us what the one hour first hour charges are today? I didn't see it in the staff report.

2199
03:53:33,880 --> 03:53:38,160
Right now that we, it's more or less like $3, it's very small.

2200
03:53:40,220 --> 03:53:45,140
And then I want to make sure I understand the EV for Valle.

2201
03:53:45,760 --> 03:53:46,860
Is it a flat $20?

2202
03:53:48,040 --> 03:53:57,580
Yes, we would do, we would apply flat handling fee of $20 on the request for anybody that wants to have their car charge at ballet.

2203
03:53:57,820 --> 03:53:58,620
Do they get it?

2204
03:53:59,200 --> 03:54:01,260
Energy charge is included in the $20.

2205
03:54:02,060 --> 03:54:02,720
It's all included.

2206
03:54:03,280 --> 03:54:06,220
It's a flat fee that we would charge them.

2207
03:54:06,360 --> 03:54:07,900
You may want to look at that again.

2208
03:54:08,460 --> 03:54:11,520
If you look at like a Tesla, and if you charge,

2209
03:54:12,200 --> 03:54:23,460
It's about 80 kilowatt hours in Tesla, so at 30 kilowatt, 30 cents per kilowatt hour, if it's fully charging a full Tesla, it's around 24 bucks.

2210
03:54:24,460 --> 03:54:28,580
So you're actually recovery would be less than our cost.

2211
03:54:29,380 --> 03:54:36,760
So I'm wondering whether you make one a double check what that fee is to make sure what it lets this even assume it's half.

2212
03:54:38,080 --> 03:54:40,480
It seems low based off the cost today.

2213
03:54:40,480 --> 03:54:46,820
We kind of thought about it with, and I have a, I have a Tesla, so I usually, I don't get that

2214
03:54:46,820 --> 03:54:52,800
for down to fully charge it, so mine uses about 15 bucks, because I don't like to get it

2215
03:54:52,800 --> 03:54:59,240
down to a far, but we don't know how many, what, what the level of charge is going to be remaining

2216
03:54:59,240 --> 03:54:59,960
when they come to this.

2217
03:55:00,000 --> 03:55:08,600
If they get to that level, yes. I mean, there's, but then, there could be some that fully charged and some that are not, where it kind of then equal.

2218
03:55:08,760 --> 03:55:15,780
I would just guess if you do the basic, even half of the Tesla is about $18 for energy charge at 30 cents.

2219
03:55:16,800 --> 03:55:23,660
So for $2, it feels like, it won't take, it feels low since I got to make up for a million dollars done, told me on.

2220
03:55:23,660 --> 03:55:37,540
I would suggest, let's say, let the commission give a let's say see how many people actually want to use it and how much we're using and what are what our experiences and then we make them back through the commission to actually increase the handling charge in the best.

2221
03:55:37,540 --> 03:55:41,060
This seems low based off the cost of the electricity, especially if you have to move a car around.

2222
03:55:41,920 --> 03:55:45,740
So and I told you kind of the activity right now is about four a day at six dollars.

2223
03:55:46,240 --> 03:55:51,660
So even out of cheaper rate, we're getting about four, but we don't know what if it's a

2224
03:55:51,660 --> 03:55:56,880
fully charged or whether or not it's half or not, I'll be dropping my test law off.

2225
03:55:56,960 --> 03:55:58,100
We encourage your commissioner.

2226
03:55:58,780 --> 03:56:00,020
Thank you, Mr. Overn.

2227
03:56:00,220 --> 03:56:04,560
I want to go back to the priority for electric parking.

2228
03:56:05,000 --> 03:56:13,000
I didn't realize that if it says dedicated to charging, I didn't realize a non-electric

2229
03:56:13,000 --> 03:56:17,140
car could just park there. I thought it was like a handicapped space, so you get a big trouble

2230
03:56:17,140 --> 03:56:22,240
if you're not handicapped and you park in a handicapped space. I would think if you're not

2231
03:56:22,240 --> 03:56:27,080
electric and you park in electric space, there should be, I don't think that should be permitted.

2232
03:56:27,200 --> 03:56:32,220
Again, I want incentivized people to come in electric cars or hybrid cars. So it doesn't strike

2233
03:56:32,220 --> 03:56:37,260
me as a good idea to say anybody can park there, or by the way, it's an electric charger.

2234
03:56:37,920 --> 03:56:45,400
And what we had talked about is that it was kind of that hypothetical if, you know, we get to the point where it's not being used.

2235
03:56:45,560 --> 03:56:50,500
I mean, that was more, and I kind of just walked it back and said, you know, let's not talk about that.

2236
03:56:50,640 --> 03:56:53,380
We want to encourage EV charges to park in those spots.

2237
03:56:53,540 --> 03:56:56,000
And right now, right now, that's what we're going to do.

2238
03:56:56,220 --> 03:56:57,260
Why don't we make it a requirement?

2239
03:57:00,800 --> 03:57:05,380
I assume we enforce handicapped if a nonhandy person parks in handicapped.

2240
03:57:05,380 --> 03:57:08,540
I sure had co-operatively sighted them.

2241
03:57:09,720 --> 03:57:14,100
Maybe start with a courtesy notice, but I just, I don't think it's accomplished with

2242
03:57:14,100 --> 03:57:20,080
what we want to do if we're letting non-electric cars park in charge of both step-bots.

2243
03:57:23,460 --> 03:57:27,900
Yeah, I just wanted to emphasize that point.

2244
03:57:28,140 --> 03:57:34,540
Typically you see it says EV charging only, so I would think that that's standard.

2245
03:57:38,700 --> 03:57:53,480
There is an ordinance that is supposed to be for EV charges only when you, what I have seen at other airports, especially LAX, many of the spots because they have a reservation system.

2246
03:57:53,760 --> 03:58:01,340
They run out of people are using the EV spots. So it is going to be a subject matter for enforcement, how we can get that done.

2247
03:58:01,340 --> 03:58:06,120
But yes, it should say EV, for electrical vehicles only.

2248
03:58:06,780 --> 03:58:08,060
OK, because that would be disappointing.

2249
03:58:08,240 --> 03:58:09,880
Somebody comes in and they want a charge.

2250
03:58:10,660 --> 03:58:13,880
And you know, occupying that space is not charging.

2251
03:58:14,360 --> 03:58:18,480
I mean, generally, they even, I think you're required to be charged.

2252
03:58:18,620 --> 03:58:19,940
Like, there's a certain time limit.

2253
03:58:20,420 --> 03:58:23,940
Also, once your car is fully charged, you can't just leave it there.

2254
03:58:24,420 --> 03:58:27,860
But unfortunately, in the airport parking, you're going to be gone.

2255
03:58:28,340 --> 03:58:30,160
You're not going to be able to move it.

2256
03:58:31,500 --> 03:58:33,200
And that's why we're not putting an

2257
03:58:33,200 --> 03:58:35,720
occupancy fee on there where you're

2258
03:58:35,720 --> 03:58:36,920
done fully charged, you're going to

2259
03:58:36,920 --> 03:58:38,880
get charged now after sitting there

2260
03:58:38,880 --> 03:58:40,860
because someone's probably left for

2261
03:58:40,860 --> 03:58:42,540
the weekend. The charge is going to

2262
03:58:42,540 --> 03:58:44,120
charge well a commercial charge

2263
03:58:44,120 --> 03:58:46,300
will charge you if I go to a Tesla

2264
03:58:46,300 --> 03:58:49,660
supercharger and I stay after the

2265
03:58:49,660 --> 03:58:51,780
cars charge, it starts charging me

2266
03:58:51,780 --> 03:58:54,000
more. That's correct. So we're not

2267
03:58:54,000 --> 03:58:56,840
doing that. No one. Because the

2268
03:58:56,840 --> 03:58:58,420
people are part paying for a parking

2269
03:58:58,420 --> 03:59:01,260
if you per day to park the car in the rush.

2270
03:59:02,840 --> 03:59:05,500
OK, so I mean, would you keep a close eye on the utilization

2271
03:59:05,500 --> 03:59:07,640
of these EV charging stations?

2272
03:59:07,640 --> 03:59:11,960
Because if that's happening and they're all getting occupied

2273
03:59:12,580 --> 03:59:16,400
for days on end and they aren't available, then obviously,

2274
03:59:16,600 --> 03:59:17,080
that's a problem.

2275
03:59:17,100 --> 03:59:19,760
And we have a dashboard we'll be able to see what those

2276
03:59:19,760 --> 03:59:21,860
utilization are on each one of those units.

2277
03:59:23,180 --> 03:59:26,140
So OK, your average parker is above, was it two and a half

2278
03:59:26,140 --> 03:59:27,940
days in the structure?

2279
03:59:27,940 --> 03:59:31,160
So, if they're in the structure now for two and a half days,

2280
03:59:31,480 --> 03:59:35,280
we assume that that type of term would carry over

2281
03:59:35,280 --> 03:59:36,200
into the structure.

2282
03:59:38,650 --> 03:59:39,650
I see.

2283
03:59:40,830 --> 03:59:44,890
Okay, I guess that that'll be, we'll see how that's going.

2284
03:59:45,930 --> 03:59:48,870
This is new, so we'll have to, we'll have to monitor it

2285
03:59:48,870 --> 03:59:52,510
and make sure that we're enforcing,

2286
03:59:52,990 --> 03:59:55,930
if we're not, we're seeing people actually in there

2287
03:59:55,930 --> 03:59:56,570
that are not EV.

2288
03:59:56,570 --> 03:59:59,850
So we'll work with Or we add EV charger.

2289
04:00:00,000 --> 04:00:01,240
Just because you say that.