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So I'm going to skip over this because we've heard a lot of feedback that this chart is not very easy to understand but for those of you that might be looking at these slides more closely, generally what we're looking for in this chart is for the orange bar to be taller than the gray bar. This is how we know that going back to 2009, which was the time of our previous MOU with UBM. This is how we know that new beds on the campus

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So this is one way that we have been looking at this trend over time.

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But this is something that we put together to respond to some feedback and concerns that we were hearing about better understanding what that slide was trying to share.

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So this looks more specifically at how these future plans relate to off campus demand for housing.

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or really for beds off campus is the way that this is outlined.

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that's the population of undergraduate students

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that are seeking a place to live in our community.

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and are seeking housing within the broader Burlington community.

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how many people are seeking beds in the greater Burlington community.

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community. You can see the line that's outlined in dark gray just as a reference point.

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but it was a specific point in time in our most recent past MOU, where UVM with making

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commitments to house, you know, provide beds and keep up with enrollment in that last

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we use is this just helps us understand that at that time there were just under 5,000 people who

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were seeking housing in the greater Burlington community when that was signed. We can see that at

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this point in time where we are in as of fall of 2023 in this first yellow box year were above that

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level. So while UVM over the course of time between that 2009 agreement and 2019 had built a large

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number of beds on campus, they also saw some enrollment decline and then an enrollment increase

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again while they had been below the demand that they were at in the fall of 29, they're currently

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over that, so we're at just over 5,000 now in according to the fall of 2023. So the bottom part

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of this chart then helps us to start to understand what the potential impact could be of the projects

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that UBM is currently working to bring online in South Burlington as well as potential future projects

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that could be enabled by zoning changes in Burlington. And you can see that the work that they're

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doing kind of above this like dark line in the bottom half. These are the projects that are under

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development in South Burlington starts to bring us back closer to the off campus demand that we

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were experiencing in 2009, just below it. But it's really when we start to see if we can

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start to see new campus projects that are providing new beds. And if UVM continues to meet its

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goal of 3,000 first years, that's when we start to see a much more significant impact in terms of

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reducing the demand for beds off of campus or outside of the campus system.

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we have. This is what we just want to share as an overview of what is in the MOU itself

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and how we've been looking at what the community benefits are in addition to, you know,

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just having an MOU with the institution that provides transparency to the community about

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what the intent is for the next five years in terms of enrollment levels, the intent for the next

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five years in terms of what kinds of projects they're going to pursue and the intent in the next five years in terms of, you know, what the city is considering doing to help facilitate an increase in beds to address our shared housing needs.

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So I don't know if there's anything any of you want to add?

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So I think how we'll do this then is we'll get into Q&A for those of you that are here

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tonight either virtually or in the room. Sarah's going to help us just keep an eye on

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the folks that are online. So we might try to do like back and forth if we get folks who

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So I don't know if anybody here in the room wants

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to start, Richard.

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I don't know.

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This is because the context really, where is the city as far as this MOU is concerned?

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Can you present it since I am on this?

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So the question was, where is the city in terms of the MOU timeline?

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So this MOU was presented to the council in mid-December, just before the holidays.

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We had a meeting last week with the Ward 1 and PA and we're meeting tonight to answer questions from the community about the draft among you and we were anticipating we are anticipating that the council may consider this at the end of the month at one of their meetings before the end of the month.

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So I think you know we're working right now on sharing information about this that would help inform that process.

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you'd be able to follow up, or is it?

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I think it's an important time to say it next.

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The followed question was, is the MOU posted?

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Yes, it is posted.

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For those of you, I'm not sure how you got the invite

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to tonight's meeting, but it is posted.

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website that talked about the Trinity campus zoning amendment,

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you can find it posted there.

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It's also on the council's documents

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and it's from the December 18th eating.

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I'm getting a couple of questions for my mind.

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What would you say if we could do that if we could slide?

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Somebody asked for us to keep this slide.

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Okay, that is easy to do.

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and not following this meeting next couple of days.

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So I'll just repeat the questions for those who are in the room and online.

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So for those of you who have asked Sarah starting this recording just a few minutes late,

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but we will be posting what we capture online.

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The question is about how was the last MOU allowed to last?

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Do you want to speak to that?

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Well, I wasn't in my role that I'm in now, but I was on the council and I was aware that it lapsed in 2019.

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My recollection since it was now.

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So, not quite five years ago, but over four years ago was that there was a, well, I mean,

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university, I think, felt that they had met the obligations under the previous agreement

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and the city was, there was ongoing conversation, but there was no decision to redo an agreement

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I don't think there was a whole lot of appetite to pursue it aggressively either way.

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And the only thing that I'll add to is just having, having not been directly engaged in the last MOU in my role, I was working for the city around the time of this expired.

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And I will say we had started some conversations about the MOU term ending right before COVID. And a lot of city employees were redeployed to different duties during COVID.

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And so we got behind on that at that time.

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Sharon, do you have something, Dad?

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I do.

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I made a shower and I was on the city council at that time,

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and I was on the board of finance also.

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I want to be really clear that I was very concerned

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about the University of Lansing.

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with the University of Lansing about University of Lansing

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and dealing with the infrastructure

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and the road improvements, et cetera.

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I was very concerned that it was going to last.

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I got out of the council in 2020, but I felt that this was going to happen, and I was

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very concerned about it because I felt, with this lapsing, it would be exactly where

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the top aid in MOU that could be revised, revisited.

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if maybe in power, maybe in university more

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and I feel it made the state more vulnerable,

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and I'm very frustrated to that fact.

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a board of finance in a chapter of minutes,

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where are we with the MOU and the mayor kept saying,

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and Google gets to that, and gets to that,

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where they've extended it another year,

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or they've extended it another year.

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But I'm very concerned about the fact

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that you don't have an algorithm.

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it's a feeling from some of us that we,

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well, I think most people want an algorithm.

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I think what the problem is is that I think that

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But what we're trying to figure out, and I still haven't seen, and a number of us still haven't seen, what the city really gets from this MOU.

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I think the university, clearly a B.T.K. activist, I mean he knows me, but I don't think the university gets zoning amendments that are continuous.

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They are not fine. They are not for five years. Those are zoning experiments that will be available to the university to utilize.

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But the city has finite internet from the university and I still don't see how the housing and sending

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housing needs on campus. We've had the unit with us. The only man makes freshman and

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sophomores seems to live on campus. Therefore, we all know that at the beginning of their

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sophomore year students start looking for housing and not before. And so I don't see how this agreement is going to

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would address that housing prices.

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And I keep looking for where we can find that information.

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And I guess because you'll be on it,

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thank you for being here.

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But can you speak to any updates?

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I mean, the university reported to us

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that you found surveys asking your student body

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if junior students wanted to have housing on campus.

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And the surveys that were less important to the board 1 and 3A were that students did not really

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desire on campus housing. They were looking for a different style of housing and more freedom of

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soft campus. But then you've done more surveys, more recent surveys, and what do you think

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the university can offer the city to say that some of those upper class students will

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I guess I obviously couldn't guarantee what they're going to do, but we do get more

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requests for on-campus housing from upper-quest students in New York to use to.

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And two things have happened, I think.

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It's got some tighter in the city, so it's more difficult for students to find housing

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that they want.

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feeling that there is an advantage to being closer to the campus.

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That doesn't mean that all the juniors and seniors want to live on campus because they

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certainly do not.

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But we believe that there are several hundreds of students who are juniors and seniors who

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with what I would like to live on campus

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or adjacent to the campus

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in the university, functionally housed.

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That's one of the reasons that you'll see

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that nothing we're doing now

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or what we're proposing to do is a,

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you and I would call a dormitory,

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what is now called a residence hall.

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They're not rooms, single rooms with two people.

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Everything we're proposing to do is apartment housing, which is what students want.

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And so we're trying everything we can to make them attractive for upper class students.

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So can I just ask the problem, one last piece, and I'll shut up.

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And there was a statement made that someone asked you at the City Council, I just know that

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that was online, but someone asked someone from the university what the cost would be for

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For the new housing department, so housing, and I wrote down $1300, wasn't what you mentioned, that cost for

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better than the fee. Is that accurate? You want to amend that? For what we're building now, it's in that

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ballpark, it's 12 to 13. Yes. With all utilities.

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would folks in an effort to try to find a way to do that in terms of getting

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included in some of these federal programs, that sort of thing, but we had not made any progress in that.

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Can I speak to that question?

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Okay, and then I want to recognize the person sitting next to you because she's had a hand up for a last.

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Um, right, I heard that, I heard that same answer that we can build as we can here and see that there's a comment.

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And then I reached the price point.

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I'm worried that this becomes an accurate issue, right?

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If all of the people who put in 4, $1300 per lettering

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are attracted to campus housing,

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housing close to campus, by major community sports

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are going to talk, kind of, first in college students,

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and the words in the housing that provide a better

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and then this is going to exacerbate that.

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So I have the same question.

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Can this UVM will subsidize on, you know,

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that campus housing programs for the last students

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who come from low and come back around to our first year?

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We can't direct ourselves to those housing,

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but right now we're putting 180 million dollars

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of financial aid out to our students.

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And in that way, we are reducing the total cost

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of a tennis, which includes housing and food.

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You said you can't.

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There's no financial means to go much beyond what we're already doing,

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as far as I'm saying. They're spending 180 million right now to subsidize the cost of

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attempts. So you agree that this then by all forces are lowest income students to the worst

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of all the income?

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I think that we have a wide variety of students. We are trying to address

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the needs of those that have lower incomes by providing them with more financial aid.

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Let me ask the question again if you didn't answer it. Do you agree that by setting up this

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this sort of pricing and speed that we're forcing the lowest income students,

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often that's first-generation students, so the worst of the housing providers.

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No, I don't agree.

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He said it's for clients.

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I don't agree.

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So, can I?

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That's easy to find anything in our eyes.

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I see your clients, I work at the University for a 20-year-old years.

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And I really think this is from an early age group, you know,

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I've referenced them by a few volumes, which is about our student health services, counseling, psychology, and teaching at each of their workings.

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I think we're thinking about this in terms of where students are going online and off campus and how huge jobs are going to access right now.

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a moment of guilt. It's off the charts because we have a staff we have available to actually

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meet the needs where the workers settled in the students. I go on a mission for us on purpose

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just to see what the arms are and also what they take to the students through, what they promote,

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and I value by any danger and by the work that I do. If you want to see the side of the

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mental health athletes and working with students to actually be able to provide to them what we say to you in your life.

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Our council staff, our students, our staff rate ones, are taxed.

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We have not received cost of living raise.

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And I don't know how long.

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And yeah, we are increasingly involved in this, there's nothing in this family that

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just needs a knock on to do that, and we are tied, I'm sorry, but I was like, what

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are you managing?

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First, the second note, because we also know our teachers are moving up through this and

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our off-cancelations office is trying to help with those places.

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And every day, and you're getting more marginalized students to talk more from us, we can't give

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any more of them.

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We would be in all the literature, but how students are coming into colleges and don't get

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in the realm of I only need some reason for all.

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We want to build more housing.

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Don't get in the realm.

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And that color head is in the fair too spot right now.

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But it puts us as people who believe in a work that we do and we're not getting in for 20

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years.

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If I didn't need the students, I didn't leave the car, I didn't leave the people that I

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worked with.

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But we can't do it.

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And so, a few years ago, I had a cat on the road, and for a few years, we'll get this under control.

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We are going to attack, continue to be more than just housing.

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Because when it's counselors in a community, there's a lot of room in me.

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We're going to see if I'm supposed to deal with it.

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It's just not right.

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It's able to manage what we're going to be doing.

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So, I think we need to look at this a little more instinctive.

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And you know, it's like how we are creating a community that is going to be able to see

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thatself. Because it's about keeping the community and thriving. It's also about the people who are

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working there in our faculty. You cannot take on more students in the classroom, but they can not

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give you about how to teach in a way that they hold the rigor and the standards of the need that

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they should be for the students to do, but if they're also happy to do that. The complexities of what

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I'm going to go to Andrea Todd, who's online. Andrea, you should be able to speak.

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Awesome. Can you hear me?

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I can hear you and I might repeat your question if others in the room can't.

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Go ahead. Great. Thank you. I want to echo some of what Sharon said. In June of 2019, there was

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the Housing Summit and the University of Vermont and College Housing was I was glaringly absent

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at that summit. And I asked the city representatives over and over again why is the why is the UVM not

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part of this conversation and was told, you know, kind of repeatedly that UVM's in a planning phase,

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they can't be, you know, we can include them in this conversation and I really want to, you know,

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support and echo it. What Sharon was saying is that it's very disappointing that since this is the

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first that this is kind of starting to happen since June of 2019, so I also want to clarify that

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There was no COVID on the horizon in June 2019.

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It was an active decision by the city not to address this earlier.

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COVID certainly put a lot of wrenches in everybody's plans and systems.

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But there was no indication that the city was at all interested in dealing with this in 2019

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at the summit. I'm really concerned that the graduate students are not included

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it as part of this MOU because my understanding is that the university is actively asking

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departments to increase graduate enrollment. That's a piece of this puzzle that I feel

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like should be both graduate and undergraduate. So I'm kind of curious why the graduate

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programming is eliminated from this. There are no less demand on the housing market. There

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still there just as much of a demand as an undergraduate student. And one of the things

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that I find sort of troubling in this system, in this situation too, is all the years that

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the enrollment has been so much higher since 2009, well since 2000. Thank you very much

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for these numbers. You know, the students are kind of being switched into the existing

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campus housing, you know, the triple, like higher numbers of triples and kind of

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squeezing students into the existing undergraduate or on-campus housing. And I'm

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just concerned that there's not really a reflection of those existing

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students being factored into this expanded number of houses. I don't know if

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that makes sense but there's this sort of like a big hole of existing students

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that are not being addressed in this MOU I think Sharon mentioned that as well so that's a lot of

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information but my specific question is about requesting that the graduate students be included

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in this MOU and would like to know why not and also what the plan is for addressing the existing

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pressure on those students that are currently looking for housing also not able to you know being

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jammed in to build into dorms did folks in the room get most of Andrea okay

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her question is about you know why not graduate students in this MOU and

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what's the plan for graduate students do you want to talk first about I guess

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the first thing I would say is we we had conversations about whether it should

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be included or not at the end of the day most people seem more concerned about

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undergraduate so I thought it was in the original MOU success where we landed but

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I would say that the other piece of that is we're currently having a construction 620 beds

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in South Brilliant for for graduates. So even though it's not part of them or you,

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we are always building enough beds to house 40% of the graduate population.

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That's existing graduate population. So I'm talking about the expanded graduate and the expanded

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I guess what I'm saying is that what we're doing is by building those 600 beds in 600 students

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that can move from where they are now. They're by opening up 600 more beds for for opening

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a month for other people. At this point, if it's the great demands of graduate beds become

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greater than I think that there's something we'll ultimately have to address. But right now

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We are more aggressive by what we have in the construction room.

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I guess I'm confused to follow up with that.

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The 600 and so students graduate students that are on campus are being.

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This is like the housing for them.

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But what about the 600 and student and oncoming graduate students that the university.

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Theoretically would be bringing on that doesn't factor there.

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there now increased demand on the housing market.

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Yeah, I guess, I said before, I guess the way I look at this is right now there's a certain population of graduate students.

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They are all already in a unit somewhere.

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We're going to increase that stock by 600, so I expect that it would be a combination of some new students and some existing ones who would take that.

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but every year about 40% of that population moves out because they graduate, so it's turnover as well.

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So we're building a 600 beds, knowing that that is going to take a lot of pressure off the

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existing situation and are going to evaluate what we stand. And as we compare any growth that we have

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where they grew to man to other.

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I guess.

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I'm sorry.

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Go ahead.

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And you can you just clarify it because I'm not hearing.

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I'm not hearing any willingness to include the graduate students in the expanded number of UVM students.

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Let's just call them UVM students that need housing because they're graduates and they're undergraduates and those numbers are expanding.

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And so I I would like can you say that you are you saying yes or no that you would be willing to consider

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totalling the graduate students with the undergraduate students in that they all need

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housing in Burlington or housing at UVM.

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As I said the original proposal we

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gave to the city included graduate students

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But their pros and cons to different aspects of that and so right now

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That's not where we're at, but we, I think we indicated that our willingness to consider it because it was in the original drafts.

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That's great to hear and I guess I'd ask the city to include the graduate students in that to return to that original proposal and put the graduate students in there.

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Okay. Is there somebody else in the room that hasn't found this?

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I still want to make a second to your character with categorization of 48 hundred with

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number 1009, which is 52 hundred number 1023, I think it is, as being just under and just

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over 5,000, as I look at that, if there were 208 people who didn't need to be able to do

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a bed of campus that's 50 units, 52 bed communities with four people available, that wouldn't be available, do you know what I'm saying?

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Yeah, so that's just one perspective.

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In the annual view, the university is going to, I think, make their census available to

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the city at the end of September every year, or their ballots.

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Then the agreement says, if the university needs to provide more debt, they got a total

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it doesn't make sense, it's for me, that you've got incoming students at the...

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So, it seems like who make more sense for the agreements, say, instead of the crowd ones, the university has 10 months to say where they're going to put those feet. So, that we know when they're arriving in August, that everybody's got a spot.

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And I think that the crowd one is

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mentioned in the number two. It doesn't give a sense. Yeah, thank you.

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And I don't want to take too much time.

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In general, 75% lot average.

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What's the average within the city versus what's being

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asked?

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In terms of it really depends what part of the city you're

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in in terms of what currently exists or what's even allowed.

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We have examples like here downtown.

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there are many lots that are have full lot coverage, so 100% lot coverage and we in some parts of the city have zoning that would enable 80 to 100% lot coverage.

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We have other parts of the city where the lot coverage limits and actual lot coverage are much lower in the, you know, 20s or 30% range.

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The part of the MOU or the part of the zoning ordinance that I mentioned before that applies

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overlay zones to different parts of the campus helps us identify specific sites where

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we might be able to accommodate or enable greater lock-overgine height without applying that

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to the entire campus, for example.

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So, the underlying campus zoning, I know the height limit off the top of my head is 30%,

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I want to say the lot covered, or 35 feet, I want to say the lot covered,

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you'll need to somewhere around 35%.

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So, that would help maintain other areas of campus and have much more significant open space

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and some parts of the campus that would be able to be more intensely developed.

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We'll do one more question and then we'll go to air hard online.

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I find an 80 sort of life on the waterland block, except it's just my name, you know, I don't know how it's in the world of life, but 80 seems out of step with whatever it's there.

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What do you say?

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about what to go to go as great as now. Do you want to say that love? Yeah, if you go as great

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next door as about that height. So as far as scale, it's not actually at a scale. Is that a scale

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perhaps? Or is that the more prospecting for ourselves? That's the same property, really.

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Okay.

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Yeah. From watermelon loss? Yeah, it kind of goes well on the head. Yeah, slightly slow.

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Okay, we'll go to air hard.

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Can you, Hi folks, can you hear me?

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Yes, and I'll amplify if need be.

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Great, thanks.

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Well, just to start off,

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Erhart-Maka here, Ward 1, live over on 6th Grove Street.

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And I guess I'll just start by saying thanks to Megan to you

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and Brian and to the EVM team for doing this.

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It's hard work.

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As some folks may know, I was a city councilor,

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president city council when the first UVM agreement was negotiated.

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And so I know how hard this work is.

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That said, it's way overdue.

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So doubly glad that you're having this conversation amongst

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between the city and the institution and bringing this out to folks to get their comments.

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I will say thank you for this last slide. It is probably the best definition of what the deficit is currently that I have seen.

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And I'll just note, I mean, it's obvious, but it really defines really, really well how

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the increase of 4,000 students in just over 4,000 students undergraduates within that 23-year

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timeframe from the fall of 2000 to the fall of 2023, that 4,000 student increase has resulted

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that in a net increased deficit of 2,000 units there.

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And I'm being rough in terms of the numbers.

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And quantifying that I think is really important.

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And I see maybe that that is also part of the logic behind, you know,

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the proposed agreement of increasing by one and a half beds, you know,

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for any additional students.

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That said, I would ask a couple of questions, one is, so this chart puts out a maximum

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enrollment of 11,765 undergraduates and projects that forward.

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What is the commitment to stick to that number, to get down to the number of off-campus beds,

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the demand for off-campus beds that was existing back in the fall of 2000.

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This chart is great, but if there isn't a commitment to stick to that 11,765 students

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over time, over the five-year course of the MOU, then the reduction of demand that's projected

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here is meaningless. And so I guess my main question is what is the commitment to stick to roughly

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that 11,765 number over the next five years. And then the other question related to that is

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these projected 1500 I know Catamount Woods is under development. What is the timeline for

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the increased units behind the rugby field, behind the old Sheraton, Waterman, and Trinity.

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And then one other question which came up as a result of one of the other comments, which

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is since my understanding is the Catamount Woods in South Burlington is largely for graduate

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students or am I mistaken in that?

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And I guess my question is if it's for both graduate students and undergraduates, is there some double counting going on and I would underscore the last person, the last commenters request to include the overall number of students including graduate students in the in the calculations.

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So three questions there. What's the timeline for the new units? What is the commitment to the maximum enrollment that's depicted here?

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And is there double counting between graduate students and undergraduates specifically in the South for only the units?

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Oh, and just two other quick comments, just what are you doing about triples and the reduction

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of triples?

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And in addition to making these units on campus attractive, I would say that EVM really

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needs to look at its on campus rules and the enforcement thereof because that is one

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of the biggest incentives for students to move off campus and be on the local housing

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working. Sorry to go on for a bit, but thanks and appreciate those three questions getting

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addressed.

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All right.

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I'll try to cover your points and Brian.

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I'll mind me if I forget.

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Yeah.

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He's running down.

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But you are mistaken in terms of self-reliance, and so it's sort of clear.

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Catamount run, 620 beds, and graduate housing.

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Catamount woods behind the old Sheridan, now a double tree, is entirely undercooked.

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So, two different projects, the graduate one is 620 beds and about 540 beds in the

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double-treat project.

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In terms of your commitment to being able to make them what we say, and I think as you

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alluded to, we can't tell you exactly how many students are going to walk in the door

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every system.

437
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But what we have committed to here is to say that during the exterior it is our goal to

438
00:39:20,710 --> 00:39:24,170
I have no more than 3,000 first-year students and so on.

439
00:39:24,690 --> 00:39:26,490
That's what we've been doing recently.

440
00:39:27,830 --> 00:39:29,450
Last year, we were all over.

441
00:39:29,610 --> 00:39:30,850
This year, we're all under.

442
00:39:32,570 --> 00:39:36,970
So if you just do the math for four classes, in 3,000

443
00:39:36,970 --> 00:39:39,530
community, a year, and then you've got a tradition

444
00:39:40,030 --> 00:39:42,210
that keeps us under the 12,000.

445
00:39:42,310 --> 00:39:44,870
So it's in that ballpark of a 1,000, 75.

446
00:39:46,590 --> 00:39:49,430
In terms of the timing on these various projects,

447
00:39:50,050 --> 00:39:54,910
We really haven't been able to get too specific about that.

448
00:39:55,230 --> 00:39:57,190
There's not going to be where we stand on the zoning.

449
00:39:58,110 --> 00:40:05,190
And we need to be clear, you know, this zoning would enable construction.

450
00:40:05,750 --> 00:40:08,890
And we're very interested in doing construction on these sites.

451
00:40:09,630 --> 00:40:14,410
But it doesn't mean that we would have been making construction on all these sites, all at once, right?

452
00:40:14,410 --> 00:40:21,390
like that, we don't want to miss the market over build at the same time. So they would

453
00:40:21,390 --> 00:40:27,390
be done incrementally, and the goal would be to start with the rugby field project.

454
00:40:29,900 --> 00:40:30,360
Tripples.

455
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:41,180
And then tripples, what we're doing, if you look at, if you saw the chart, not the table rather

456
00:40:41,180 --> 00:40:46,480
that Megan provided, about in the middle it says max and roll with plus 160 least beds.

457
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:55,660
One of our primary goals where the 160 least beds is to relieve some of the pressure on trippers.

458
00:40:56,820 --> 00:41:02,600
We have some, and actually a fair number of students that want the triple,

459
00:41:02,720 --> 00:41:11,100
but we have others who prefer not to manage. And that is the beginning of the mechanism by which

460
00:41:11,100 --> 00:41:14,360
which we release some of the pressure on the person that's with us at least.

461
00:41:18,130 --> 00:41:21,170
Okay, I see you, Troy, and we have two more people online.

462
00:41:21,690 --> 00:41:25,090
Is there anybody else in the room that wants to ask a question that hasn't?

463
00:41:25,710 --> 00:41:32,330
Okay. Okay, so I'll go to Selvig, and then we'll go to Milo online.

464
00:41:33,230 --> 00:41:34,470
Go ahead, go ahead.

465
00:41:34,990 --> 00:41:36,710
I want to follow up on this specific question.

466
00:41:36,930 --> 00:41:37,150
Okay.

467
00:41:37,150 --> 00:41:44,870
have to push or address. Do you do surveys of students, do you

468
00:41:44,870 --> 00:41:51,330
use the seniors to know what sort of housing they want? Because I find it a

469
00:41:51,330 --> 00:41:55,030
lot of us who were willing to continue to find the housing for people, whether

470
00:41:55,030 --> 00:42:02,450
it's the pods on Elwood or these apartments for students, don't really know

471
00:42:03,070 --> 00:42:06,510
trauma to perspective of those students and it sounds like there were some surveys

472
00:42:06,510 --> 00:42:12,810
that were done, but my concern is that we really are not being very creative on the kind of housing

473
00:42:12,810 --> 00:42:17,850
that we come up with because we don't ask the people that are expected to live there. So

474
00:42:18,650 --> 00:42:25,090
are their regular surveys done about the two years and seniors? The factors like building one

475
00:42:25,090 --> 00:42:34,770
of the laws campus because their laws are in books. Well, does that happen? It's less about formal surveys

476
00:42:34,770 --> 00:42:38,390
and more about ongoing conversations with students

477
00:42:38,390 --> 00:42:39,530
that are moving off campus.

478
00:42:39,710 --> 00:42:41,590
To find out more about what they're going into,

479
00:42:41,870 --> 00:42:43,630
and is it what they would want,

480
00:42:43,830 --> 00:42:45,690
or would they want it to be different?

481
00:42:46,810 --> 00:42:51,090
And so, it's very clear, and again,

482
00:42:51,890 --> 00:42:53,470
every student has different purpose,

483
00:42:54,310 --> 00:42:57,630
but it's very clear that students leaving campus,

484
00:42:58,630 --> 00:43:00,850
typically are looking to have their own bedroom

485
00:43:00,850 --> 00:43:08,050
end of the process as opposed to having two people in a dorm. Now some, some

486
00:43:08,050 --> 00:43:14,410
juniors have expressed that they'd be happy enough if they could be on campus,

487
00:43:14,730 --> 00:43:21,110
that's the end of the dorm. But we have tried to guide our plan based on what

488
00:43:21,110 --> 00:43:26,750
we're hearing students say. As you know, a part of the problem in Burlington is

489
00:43:26,750 --> 00:43:29,690
is that so many of these apartments were never,

490
00:43:30,290 --> 00:43:32,170
the buildings were never meant to be apartments.

491
00:43:32,570 --> 00:43:34,970
They were old Victorian houses that got converted.

492
00:43:35,750 --> 00:43:36,630
And when that happens,

493
00:43:37,150 --> 00:43:39,630
it's impossible to plan them out as well

494
00:43:39,630 --> 00:43:42,150
as you can when you're building a new apartment.

495
00:43:42,750 --> 00:43:44,370
So we're trying to wrestle.

496
00:43:44,570 --> 00:43:48,070
We think we're hearing from the majority of students,

497
00:43:48,410 --> 00:43:50,730
but obviously there are many different cases.

498
00:43:51,010 --> 00:43:53,170
I think it's a selection of data

499
00:43:53,170 --> 00:43:55,350
that you're completely missing

500
00:43:55,350 --> 00:43:58,790
if you don't regularly say, what is it that you want?

501
00:43:59,190 --> 00:44:01,030
Because then you can design through that.

502
00:44:01,690 --> 00:44:04,410
And I just figured about my college days.

503
00:44:04,830 --> 00:44:07,330
What I looked for, I looked for a little price,

504
00:44:08,410 --> 00:44:10,810
and I didn't care if it was an ugly place,

505
00:44:10,810 --> 00:44:12,070
hand, and I looked on the gallery.

506
00:44:13,130 --> 00:44:15,090
That was great, and it was noisy.

507
00:44:16,070 --> 00:44:17,930
So I thought you're missing your point.

508
00:44:18,030 --> 00:44:21,990
So I'm suggesting that be valuable for the selection of that.

509
00:44:22,270 --> 00:44:23,890
And the second thing is you set some kits

510
00:44:23,890 --> 00:44:32,150
on a triple. And I'm wondering what the costs are for a single double and a triple. So what would

511
00:44:32,150 --> 00:44:36,770
you a student pay because part of it could be priced as well. That's brought out another time.

512
00:44:37,190 --> 00:44:45,690
So there needs to be a graded about having like singles that has community space and a kitchen kind

513
00:44:45,690 --> 00:44:53,370
of thing. You know I don't think people being very graded about housing for homeless people. I

514
00:44:53,370 --> 00:44:55,370
and dealing with the thoughts were a good idea.

515
00:44:55,510 --> 00:44:57,030
They weren't softer than people on Thursday,

516
00:44:57,550 --> 00:44:59,110
so we put into something that.

517
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:05,980
We think, I think, good. I feel like we need to do the same thing. So what is the price of a strip

518
00:45:05,980 --> 00:45:10,060
ball student, which for months, we're a triple bed, and what would be a year-and-a-year deal?

519
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:15,620
Well, I'm not going to be able to pass send you one. The triple, yes. So the question for sale. So again,

520
00:45:16,020 --> 00:45:21,980
prices on this agenda always happen. And what is it this year? We're going to have a cost. But the three

521
00:45:21,980 --> 00:45:29,680
better units, if we are currently have under construction, would be $3,300 that be $100 per

522
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:36,200
But right now, like if you're granted a triple on campus, what are you going to do today?

523
00:45:36,540 --> 00:45:45,760
Well, if you've got three people in a row that's in the vicinity of maybe $7,200, it's variable, but probably something like that.

524
00:45:45,820 --> 00:45:48,660
For the whole year, or we're not.

525
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:51,280
So that's for the four month term.

526
00:45:52,260 --> 00:45:53,580
Okay, so how much does that mean?

527
00:45:53,980 --> 00:45:58,080
Well, it's more expensive than what we're talking about in terms of monthly rental.

528
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:10,820
Because in that case, they're paying in the neighborhood of $1,700 to $1,800 a month.

529
00:46:11,340 --> 00:46:14,260
It has two or three people in adorable.

530
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:16,460
From one person to the other.

531
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:20,860
It's simply in the car.

532
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:43,440
So we have a Brian is making a helpful list of all the hands that we've seen. So we're going to keep going down. So we've got Troy, Michael, Milo, Richard, Kate, Amy.

533
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:48,060
Okay, and I'll figure out this one, one last couple of minutes.

534
00:46:48,660 --> 00:46:51,620
All of this information that some of your folks have already looked it up,

535
00:46:52,420 --> 00:46:57,380
it's right on our website, if you look on our room and board site to find all the way.

536
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,020
I try not to memorize everything I'm looking at.

537
00:47:01,660 --> 00:47:04,760
I just don't know where they're at, because the information that you're saying,

538
00:47:05,700 --> 00:47:12,860
Some of them are still in the classroom and some of them are still in the classroom.

539
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:20,920
Just building on the discussion we are having about how we know what students are looking

540
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:21,400
for.

541
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:23,980
Just have one conversation at the time please.

542
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:24,740
That would help a lot.

543
00:47:25,260 --> 00:47:27,400
The question about how we know what students are looking for.

544
00:47:27,500 --> 00:47:28,000
How do you do that?

545
00:47:28,020 --> 00:47:29,240
We've had a variety of forums.

546
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:34,740
I've been part of some of them where we silly great students and talk about what they're

547
00:47:34,740 --> 00:47:39,820
hopes are. Now, obviously, what the bottom line. Did you say that? Did you say that?

548
00:47:40,100 --> 00:47:49,340
With graduate and undergraduate. With both. And the bottom line is at the end of the day,

549
00:47:50,140 --> 00:47:55,840
what they would all hold towards, they have a nice apartment, perhaps the cost of building out of

550
00:47:55,840 --> 00:48:00,700
heart. And I can't blame them. I think everybody would work. So, price is critical. Obviously,

551
00:48:00,700 --> 00:48:04,680
But unfortunately, it is this very expensive to both of them.

552
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,960
Okay, we have Troy, then Michael.

553
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:14,440
Yeah, so let me just, I didn't do this before.

554
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:15,300
My name is Troy Hendrick.

555
00:48:16,220 --> 00:48:19,560
I'm a state rapid-criticism team, which is war one.

556
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:21,160
The neighborhood surrounding campus.

557
00:48:23,220 --> 00:48:26,720
Chinning campus president is all turning to campus president.

558
00:48:26,720 --> 00:48:31,000
talls, keen ass, and then the neighborhoods kind of

559
00:48:31,660 --> 00:48:32,640
north of the main street.

560
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:38,700
Also a longtime employee of BPM, including from 1996 to 2003

561
00:48:38,700 --> 00:48:40,280
with the Department of Residence, Julya.

562
00:48:40,860 --> 00:48:43,260
Currently, we're right up to these students of this kind of.

563
00:48:44,340 --> 00:48:47,820
In my world as a rep, this is the number one issue that

564
00:48:47,820 --> 00:48:48,920
you're growing everybody.

565
00:48:49,660 --> 00:48:53,060
Students and long-term residents, causing impacts.

566
00:48:54,940 --> 00:49:00,680
I had talked about this whenever possible, and continue to talk about this until it gets

567
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:01,080
resolved.

568
00:49:05,190 --> 00:49:14,190
So, I start with a healthy dose of skepticism about when I hear the decay talking about

569
00:49:14,190 --> 00:49:17,610
we're committed to, it's not a right, by the way.

570
00:49:17,610 --> 00:49:21,730
That couldn't, it is not in the end volume, and this is,

571
00:49:21,890 --> 00:49:22,510
Yes it is.

572
00:49:23,690 --> 00:49:28,930
This is Charlie Brown and Lucy, not Scott, right?

573
00:49:29,150 --> 00:49:31,190
You can be on this Lucy thing, hit the ball, hit the ball,

574
00:49:31,330 --> 00:49:32,110
trust me, trust me.

575
00:49:32,650 --> 00:49:34,270
The city is being asked to kick the ball.

576
00:49:35,070 --> 00:49:36,750
Right in time and time again.

577
00:49:40,350 --> 00:49:41,590
The pattern is this.

578
00:49:41,990 --> 00:49:42,730
You can be on your bus.

579
00:49:43,630 --> 00:49:46,270
Don't need permission to build a new residence hall.

580
00:49:47,190 --> 00:49:52,490
Within five years, the increasing enrollment beyond capacity of those residents

581
00:49:52,490 --> 00:49:56,910
all started showing its students and intervals, and then they said, we need to build new

582
00:49:56,910 --> 00:49:57,430
houses here.

583
00:49:58,510 --> 00:49:58,890
So they do.

584
00:50:00,030 --> 00:50:07,550
So this happened after the building was established after the open CCRH, and then the increasing

585
00:50:07,550 --> 00:50:15,990
enrollment, and I get it, it's a quality-fronted state institution, not necessarily in my definition,

586
00:50:21,750 --> 00:50:28,930
I know we need to make money, you know, to stay in staff, and so

587
00:50:31,780 --> 00:50:35,310
building housing, expanding

588
00:50:35,310 --> 00:50:39,230
enrollment, sub students in the triple, building housing, expanding enrollment, so students

589
00:50:39,230 --> 00:50:42,090
in the triple, and here we go again,

590
00:50:46,270 --> 00:50:49,670
that this pattern is not repeat, it has been repeating since

591
00:50:49,670 --> 00:50:51,850
the 90s, not earlier.

592
00:50:52,690 --> 00:50:53,810
That's when I'm breaking up.

593
00:50:56,670 --> 00:50:57,470
It is not unreasonable.

594
00:51:03,390 --> 00:51:04,310
Stop your line, Senator.

595
00:51:04,570 --> 00:51:06,050
We're going to end the practice of course ordinance.

596
00:51:06,590 --> 00:51:07,350
It is not unreasonable.

597
00:51:10,390 --> 00:51:11,090
It's unreasonable.

598
00:51:11,610 --> 00:51:14,870
This is probably a longer day that you may have to prevent

599
00:51:14,870 --> 00:51:17,570
to do many things that attract students to stay

600
00:51:17,570 --> 00:51:19,410
into the new parliament building on campus.

601
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:22,380
I think that's possible.

602
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:29,040
I don't think it's impractical for this MOU to include an actual

603
00:51:29,660 --> 00:51:32,180
enrollment plan, at least for the term on the

604
00:51:32,180 --> 00:51:37,820
on what we need. It does not. I don't think that I think we should extend the

605
00:51:37,820 --> 00:51:41,800
only 10 years. I think that's important. But we have to reduce

606
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:47,360
triples. We have to end practice of triples. I can tell you briefly about

607
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:51,280
your, I talked to students about the impact that's having and why they're in my

608
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:57,140
mom's. This why I would rely on this why I would rely on Apple. Like I go back

609
00:51:57,140 --> 00:52:02,260
to sleep when one of my roommates is night person and one of my roommates is

610
00:52:02,260 --> 00:52:06,880
how to play and use it. It is happening in fact the students, and it is detrimental.

611
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:13,920
We have to enforce this. And we have to attract students to stay on the campus.

612
00:52:14,240 --> 00:52:15,220
I think that's a price point.

613
00:52:17,020 --> 00:52:22,930
Finally, my express is to be taken to Brian as they walk in the door.

614
00:52:25,290 --> 00:52:29,490
The concept by which this is being developed is incredibly bad policy.

615
00:52:31,150 --> 00:52:36,030
So the State Auditor, this is the department that

616
00:52:38,050 --> 00:52:42,630
produces politically neutral reports what is happening.

617
00:52:43,990 --> 00:52:46,330
They have been

618
00:52:48,820 --> 00:52:50,940
precisely about this issue.

619
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:53,540
What is the impact and role in that union in service

620
00:52:56,580 --> 00:52:57,680
currently being generated?

621
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:02,440
The city was informed that the report was going to be generated in early December.

622
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:07,700
New Vietnam, hypothetically was notified in early December that they're before it's been generated.

623
00:53:08,380 --> 00:53:12,200
The city did not inform the state counselors that that report was being generated,

624
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:14,860
yet they're being asked to vote on an employee.

625
00:53:15,700 --> 00:53:21,680
And we know that the floor is coming out from the state auditor's office.

626
00:53:22,580 --> 00:53:27,240
You may have been informed in the trustees that that report is being written,

627
00:53:27,620 --> 00:53:30,280
and yet they were asked to have a hand in this envelope.

628
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:31,920
That is profoundly disappointing.

629
00:53:33,540 --> 00:53:40,160
And what it points to is that the mayor has an agenda to give us an only pass.

630
00:53:40,900 --> 00:53:47,620
I don't know why it appears that the mayor's office and the union

631
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:51,600
would just shoving this

632
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:52,780
in a way that our privilege.

633
00:53:53,180 --> 00:53:54,240
Oh my god.

634
00:53:55,140 --> 00:53:59,320
Whoever is speaking, you're not a mute and we can all hear you.

635
00:54:03,950 --> 00:54:05,150
That's because the point is

636
00:54:10,170 --> 00:54:11,950
for why the city wouldn't have been more privileged,

637
00:54:16,290 --> 00:54:17,050
why he didn't

638
00:54:17,050 --> 00:54:20,450
in both the trustees that this has been reported to you.

639
00:54:20,750 --> 00:54:22,810
I think that's important information to have

640
00:54:22,810 --> 00:54:26,410
before we press just in both of you.

641
00:54:27,270 --> 00:54:28,050
Yeah, I mean,

642
00:54:28,230 --> 00:54:29,350
I think it's either it's not your question.

643
00:54:29,390 --> 00:54:31,630
Well, can I start?

644
00:54:31,870 --> 00:54:33,630
It's just offering to the,

645
00:54:35,250 --> 00:54:38,070
I'll let Brian speak to the actual notification

646
00:54:38,890 --> 00:54:41,270
from the auditor's office, but I'll just say like,

647
00:54:41,990 --> 00:54:42,830
we've been working,

648
00:54:44,610 --> 00:55:06,130
This is not just the mayor's office that's been working on this, you know, this is Brian and I who are here as city employees who are helping to translate the interests of residents of counselors and the mayor all into something that we could also get to a place of agreement with UVN around.

649
00:55:06,910 --> 00:55:14,330
and I want to just state very clearly that we have heard a lot and we have been working very hard on this.

650
00:55:15,670 --> 00:55:26,990
We do understand that thinking about the impact of housing and enrollment growth on the campus and in the campus system is very important to our housing market.

651
00:55:26,990 --> 00:55:41,210
And this chart is actually something that we as a staff put together in order to help the council understand how housing and enrollment have changed on the campus system.

652
00:55:41,790 --> 00:55:56,010
Over time, we use 2009 as the benchmark because it was our most recent MOU and, you know, we really heard people's concerns about not being able to clearly understand what that chart was telling us, which is why we translated what we know.

653
00:55:56,010 --> 00:56:03,190
what we understand about the current impacts and what the future impacts could be of this MOU into

654
00:56:03,190 --> 00:56:09,990
this chart. So we are doing our best as a city with the information that we have to inform the

655
00:56:09,990 --> 00:56:16,950
conversation around impacts, historic and future. So we agree that that's an important context and

656
00:56:16,950 --> 00:56:24,150
we've been trying to provide it. So I'll just explain since Representative Patrick raised the issue

657
00:56:24,150 --> 00:56:27,670
and implied that somehow there was an intention

658
00:56:27,670 --> 00:56:29,330
to withhold information.

659
00:56:30,350 --> 00:56:32,790
I mean, I'll take full blame and responsibility

660
00:56:32,790 --> 00:56:35,570
for the fact that the otters assistant

661
00:56:35,570 --> 00:56:38,110
or an analyst with the otters office reached out to me

662
00:56:39,670 --> 00:56:42,170
about the 12th of December.

663
00:56:42,530 --> 00:56:44,070
Said we got to talk about some stuff

664
00:56:44,070 --> 00:56:45,170
regarding UVM housing.

665
00:56:45,830 --> 00:56:47,470
It took me a few days to respond.

666
00:56:48,070 --> 00:56:50,730
By the time I responded, we were well into the holidays.

667
00:56:50,730 --> 00:56:56,670
days, we then reconnected after the first of the year, it came to me, it didn't come to

668
00:56:56,670 --> 00:56:57,210
the mayor's office.

669
00:56:57,450 --> 00:57:00,690
So I'll just completely confess, I didn't get to it.

670
00:57:00,730 --> 00:57:03,990
I have 80 to 100 emails a day that aren't junk emails.

671
00:57:04,170 --> 00:57:06,450
I have a ton of things that I'm working on.

672
00:57:06,570 --> 00:57:10,690
I worked 14 hours last night, it's 12 hours today.

673
00:57:11,330 --> 00:57:12,930
We are working our tails off.

674
00:57:13,070 --> 00:57:17,490
So to insinuate that we are withholding information, I really take exception to that.

675
00:57:17,490 --> 00:57:20,750
I take umbrains to the notion that we are somehow hiding this information.

676
00:57:21,210 --> 00:57:23,950
We get requests for information on a regular basis.

677
00:57:24,310 --> 00:57:27,510
We don't necessarily go to the mayor and inform the mayor of the information.

678
00:57:27,950 --> 00:57:32,710
The council isn't necessarily aware of every request we get for information that is not current

679
00:57:32,710 --> 00:57:33,130
practice.

680
00:57:33,230 --> 00:57:34,150
It has never been the practice.

681
00:57:34,470 --> 00:57:38,070
It is really, it's not helpful to have accusations.

682
00:57:38,450 --> 00:57:42,690
So I would just say the council will be making this decision on their schedule.

683
00:57:42,930 --> 00:57:45,650
They may not decide to do it on the 29th of January.

684
00:57:45,650 --> 00:57:50,830
but right now that's their schedule. And whether the auditors assessment is done by then,

685
00:57:50,970 --> 00:57:54,690
we don't know whether it will be done by then. They asked for reports that were submitted by

686
00:57:54,690 --> 00:58:00,650
UVM over the last from 2009 to 2019. It took us a few days to gather all the reports,

687
00:58:01,110 --> 00:58:06,970
today those were sent. I mean, we're really working as best we can. So please, just bear with us.

688
00:58:08,930 --> 00:58:13,070
I just answered that. I just answered that question when I said I take full responsibility.

689
00:58:15,950 --> 00:58:17,710
I'm sorry, Troy. I'm not going to engage in that.

690
00:58:17,810 --> 00:58:18,790
Okay. Okay.

691
00:58:21,990 --> 00:58:26,650
We had a line of people. Where did the line go? Sorry.

692
00:58:27,550 --> 00:58:30,930
I think Milo was next, so we're going to enable you.

693
00:58:31,830 --> 00:58:34,630
Oh, I'm sorry, Michael. I committed to Michael and then Milo. I'm sorry.

694
00:58:34,630 --> 00:58:41,730
Let me take it, so U.N. and the city we're all living in.

695
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:48,580
The preamlet I've done very interesting talk about,

696
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:53,280
about how wonderful folks of us are, the city and the U.N.

697
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:55,060
That's true in some ways.

698
00:58:55,620 --> 00:58:57,480
I love growing tin and I love you, B.A.M.

699
00:58:57,720 --> 00:58:59,900
and growing tin and we're growing tin and we're out.

700
00:59:00,340 --> 00:59:05,320
The U.N. and both the city and U.N. are responsible

701
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:16,360
for a lot of serious damage to neighborhoods in the housing stock over the course of a number of years of neglect and no use at all.

702
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:26,620
And it's important to me that any new employee just doesn't chip away at or acknowledge that there's a problem.

703
00:59:26,620 --> 00:59:32,620
I want to make some substantial progress in solving problems.

704
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:40,860
And that requires a more than four or five-year timeframe as it's been noted already.

705
00:59:40,860 --> 00:59:58,200
And it requires a firm and reliable and without exception, committed to getting more

706
00:59:58,200 --> 00:59:59,640
on your ground in the midst.

707
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:19,200
On campus, and out of the neighborhoods, because that's the one thing that's going to change the situation and improve the quality of housing for the students and improve the neighborhoods for the community.

708
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:29,000
good, lots of inputs in our city have just been sort of offered up as sacrificial areas and

709
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:34,980
even the rules of zoning and so forth, whether or not they're supposed to be the same across

710
01:00:34,980 --> 01:00:44,520
the city, but they're not inclined in the same way. Certain areas are kind of abandoned in some

711
01:00:46,140 --> 01:00:49,980
and I think it's wonderful as we all are,

712
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:53,140
how we need to acknowledge that we've made

713
01:00:53,140 --> 01:00:55,460
some serious and serious and serious damage

714
01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:58,240
and reparations are important.

715
01:01:00,020 --> 01:01:01,680
Okay, thank you, Michael.

716
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:02,820
We'll go to Milo.

717
01:01:02,980 --> 01:01:04,120
Milo, you should be able to speak.

718
01:01:06,710 --> 01:01:07,310
Hi, thank you.

719
01:01:07,650 --> 01:01:09,950
Some of my questions were answered,

720
01:01:10,270 --> 01:01:12,170
so I won't repeat some things,

721
01:01:12,170 --> 01:01:15,390
except to say that the issue around graduate students,

722
01:01:15,390 --> 01:01:23,910
I think is profoundly important, and they need to be part of what is in the MOU, because

723
01:01:23,910 --> 01:01:32,450
they are part of the university, part of the city, and are definitely affecting our

724
01:01:32,450 --> 01:01:33,430
housing numbers.

725
01:01:33,590 --> 01:01:35,430
So I do feel very strongly about that.

726
01:01:35,890 --> 01:01:42,030
To kind of piggyback on, you know, surveying students and having an understanding of what

727
01:01:42,910 --> 01:01:43,890
students want.

728
01:01:43,890 --> 01:01:49,370
I definitely commend the university about understanding the fact that what they build

729
01:01:49,370 --> 01:01:57,390
that's new needs to be apartment style and not these old dorms right because when you

730
01:01:57,860 --> 01:02:04,090
start to get of a certain age there's issues of independence, there's issues of privacy.

731
01:02:04,910 --> 01:02:11,810
I think the issues of privacy are really being undervalued in this conversation.

732
01:02:11,810 --> 01:02:18,810
When we take a look at having 30% of people in triples, and I do understand that there

733
01:02:18,810 --> 01:02:24,870
are people who want to save money, do go into triples voluntarily, but you've got 30%

734
01:02:24,870 --> 01:02:26,910
that is really astounding to me.

735
01:02:27,310 --> 01:02:37,230
In conditions where the average amount of space is below housing code, that's a grave concern

736
01:02:37,230 --> 01:02:37,610
to me.

737
01:02:37,610 --> 01:02:40,930
So I do applaud the apartment-style buildings.

738
01:02:40,930 --> 01:02:47,250
Those would definitely be more attractive to upper-classmen.

739
01:02:47,690 --> 01:02:55,250
And part of thinking about this is to understand that if you have a building that's not for

740
01:02:55,250 --> 01:03:00,030
graduate students but for upper-classmen, say, juniors and seniors, that building needs

741
01:03:00,030 --> 01:03:04,490
to be for juniors and seniors because if they're going to be 21 and up, they're not going

742
01:03:04,490 --> 01:03:08,130
to want the same restrictions with regards to alcohol.

743
01:03:08,790 --> 01:03:12,690
So the university is going to have to look at that in a certain way because it's all part

744
01:03:12,690 --> 01:03:18,270
of independence and it is all part of, you know, you have people that choose to drink,

745
01:03:18,490 --> 01:03:22,610
some who don't choose to drink, but if you're going to put them in a housing situation where

746
01:03:22,610 --> 01:03:26,990
you're not giving them the option, they are not going to take it and they're going to go

747
01:03:26,990 --> 01:03:30,330
out into the city.

748
01:03:30,870 --> 01:03:41,150
So, you know, those things have to be a part of what is going on as well and I will leave

749
01:03:41,150 --> 01:03:45,790
it like that and if I have another question later, I'll pop back in. Thank you so much.

750
01:03:46,270 --> 01:03:47,490
Okay. Who is next, Frank?

751
01:03:50,210 --> 01:03:52,470
Richard Hilliard and then Kate Morris on that.

752
01:03:53,890 --> 01:03:54,610
Thanks.

753
01:03:55,030 --> 01:03:56,290
My name is Richard India.

754
01:03:56,770 --> 01:03:57,470
I just heard that.

755
01:03:59,570 --> 01:04:04,390
I don't understand the imperative for this to get signed

756
01:04:04,390 --> 01:04:06,890
on the terms of January.

757
01:04:08,250 --> 01:04:12,390
If the first time in the City Council had disability,

758
01:04:12,730 --> 01:04:15,190
I'll bet it was seven days before Christmas.

759
01:04:16,350 --> 01:04:18,170
So that's about 42 days.

760
01:04:18,170 --> 01:04:22,530
and trade off Christmas and New Year's, taking 10 days off.

761
01:04:23,210 --> 01:04:27,970
And trying to get as true in that 30 days,

762
01:04:28,490 --> 01:04:28,710
I

763
01:04:31,690 --> 01:04:36,930
can't be deferred until this decision might come to go

764
01:04:36,930 --> 01:04:43,830
to the New City Council, a new man after election day.

765
01:04:44,950 --> 01:04:49,790
His man has history trying to push things through

766
01:04:49,790 --> 01:04:51,150
We could not see the way

767
01:04:53,580 --> 01:04:59,920
people have done and should have no confidence that this is being done in good faith.

768
01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:03,960
What are comments for?

769
01:05:06,080 --> 01:05:09,480
Well, and I'll just respond and if Brian wants to add anything.

770
01:05:10,580 --> 01:05:16,900
So I had mentioned in the presentation that we started talking with UDM again back in the spring.

771
01:05:16,900 --> 01:05:24,240
so it's taken us some time to get to a place where we had an agreement that we were, we felt comfortable,

772
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:32,540
you know, sharing at the full council level and starting to publicly discuss. So this has been

773
01:05:32,540 --> 01:05:38,100
something that we've been working on for quite some time with the existing council and. Right,

774
01:05:38,260 --> 01:05:42,860
so I'm getting to that point, just that we have been having those discussions with the existing

775
01:05:42,860 --> 01:06:01,140
Council and with the existing administration. And so there are a number of things right now that we're working on with the council that are things that we've been working on with them for a number of months. And so that's one of the things that we're looking at is bringing this council an opportunity to make a decision on what we've shared with them.

776
01:06:01,740 --> 01:06:05,320
Ultimately, it's the council's decision about when they take things up.

777
01:06:06,340 --> 01:06:12,000
But that's, you know, from a staff perspective, it's because we've been working with this council on this so far.

778
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:22,020
So I still don't understand why it can't be as fun until we have an even administration in place.

779
01:06:22,780 --> 01:06:25,040
I don't see anything in this for the city.

780
01:06:25,740 --> 01:06:29,720
I see a lot of people using me out, but I don't even see anything for the city.

781
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:37,940
And just as Brian used to screen the video of Christmas, so we're all the residents

782
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:45,560
and whether they all have a chance to assimilate everything and discuss it.

783
01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:50,800
I'm not sure, but there's some things that stick out as far as I'm concerned.

784
01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:57,120
So, I don't see any direct benefit for violence and housing.

785
01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:06,620
It could even be the detriment if the whole community is all of a sudden competing for contractors

786
01:07:06,620 --> 01:07:07,380
and tradesmen.

787
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:14,680
We hope that this specific place, so this is going to be times two or three, I don't consider.

788
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:17,000
That means the problem.

789
01:07:18,100 --> 01:07:23,960
the duration of the previous problem five years since it will be halfway through before

790
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:29,540
we get a building up. So I don't understand that at all, since like it should be these

791
01:07:29,540 --> 01:07:33,720
10 years, probably a long and 10 years, would seem to be better.

792
01:07:37,060 --> 01:07:46,980
Enforcement by the city, the city, not enforcement, but in place at the moment, however, there's

793
01:07:46,980 --> 01:07:56,220
So, finally, environmental issues, I haven't heard anything about environmental issues

794
01:07:56,980 --> 01:08:05,340
specifically in 2001. But maybe for the British city as well, we heard maybe anecdotally

795
01:08:05,340 --> 01:08:08,820
you're going to be post-operceded in

796
01:08:12,430 --> 01:08:18,010
arms in Lithuania, but there's a limit, so how much

797
01:08:19,650 --> 01:08:25,260
construction in usefully go on to the top of the hill.

798
01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:33,060
I haven't heard anything about that. I haven't heard anything about protecting

799
01:08:33,060 --> 01:08:36,820
since any of the words, anything about

800
01:08:36,820 --> 01:08:38,380
since any of the word.

801
01:08:39,420 --> 01:08:40,820
And my

802
01:08:43,380 --> 01:08:46,880
so many solutions to sound is, is to all

803
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:48,680
the opinion that this is a

804
01:08:48,680 --> 01:08:50,940
a countywide

805
01:08:51,660 --> 01:08:54,140
issue and not just a citywide

806
01:08:54,140 --> 01:08:56,820
to get the best results,

807
01:08:57,440 --> 01:08:58,980
the ultimate results for the whole

808
01:08:58,980 --> 01:08:59,560
community.

809
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:00,820
So I'll start.

810
01:09:02,380 --> 01:09:03,700
Thank you, Richard.

811
01:09:07,860 --> 01:09:08,720
Katie Morris.

812
01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:10,040
Katie Morris online.

813
01:09:14,220 --> 01:09:17,560
I think Sarah and I pushed a button at the same time Katie, you should be able to.

814
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:19,700
Hi, can you hear me?

815
01:09:20,180 --> 01:09:23,080
Hi, this is Caitlin Morris.

816
01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:28,060
I'm the director of United academics, UVM's faculty union.

817
01:09:28,060 --> 01:09:36,980
So my perspective is primarily as someone who works with faculty and staff every day.

818
01:09:36,980 --> 01:09:38,360
I'm also a Burlington resident.

819
01:09:39,820 --> 01:09:47,160
And I wanted to just echo some of the earlier comments about one Megan Tuttle's point

820
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:48,740
about counting graduate students.

821
01:09:48,740 --> 01:09:51,100
And I think that we're hearing a lot of echoes.

822
01:09:51,100 --> 01:09:54,300
I completely agree and that has been a concern.

823
01:09:55,140 --> 01:10:03,560
The other is thinking back to one of the first slides that you showed that said that

824
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:10,360
UVM has a goal of supporting faculty, staff, and graduate students as well as undergrads

825
01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:11,180
in housing.

826
01:10:12,060 --> 01:10:20,380
And I wanted to just share that in the last couple of years, housing for employees at UVM

827
01:10:20,380 --> 01:10:27,100
has been one of the top issues that we hear about, it's a huge concern, was not an issue

828
01:10:27,100 --> 01:10:35,740
that we heard about before the pandemic, much at all. And I think, you know, for the reasons

829
01:10:35,740 --> 01:10:44,200
that we all know of the tight housing market, but also UVM, fortunately, is now hiring faculty

830
01:10:44,200 --> 01:10:50,800
again, which there was really most of a hiring freeze for several years, and people have

831
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:57,080
really burned out, as the earlier staff members said, you know, there is, people are at the

832
01:10:57,080 --> 01:11:04,320
breaking point of overwork and taking on overloads, classes, class sizes have been increased.

833
01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:07,820
People are expected to let in more and more students.

834
01:11:07,820 --> 01:11:11,280
and it's fortunate that there's new hiring.

835
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:16,980
However, a lot of the searches for faculty have failed

836
01:11:16,980 --> 01:11:20,540
because people cannot find places to live

837
01:11:20,540 --> 01:11:22,980
and a lot of faculty who have come here

838
01:11:23,650 --> 01:11:26,140
in the last couple of years are coming to us saying,

839
01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:29,480
I'm just in a someone's room while I try to find

840
01:11:29,480 --> 01:11:32,660
somewhere to live and it turns out my salary isn't high enough

841
01:11:32,660 --> 01:11:34,200
to live anywhere in Burlington.

842
01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:42,080
and you know, BIPOC faculty who have moved here who say, I need to live in Burlington if

843
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:46,400
I'm going to live in this state and I can't afford anything in Burlington.

844
01:11:48,440 --> 01:11:55,400
Starting salary for full-time new lecturers in some cases was $47,500.

845
01:11:56,140 --> 01:12:02,580
People were hired in full-time jobs under $50,000 in Burlington.

846
01:12:02,580 --> 01:12:13,340
So my question to the UVM folks, which I guess is Richard Kate, is just to articulate a

847
01:12:13,340 --> 01:12:19,260
little bit about the plan that UVM has for housing, faculty, and staff.

848
01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:25,040
And I will say I spoke about faculty, but we heard that from staff council and staff unions

849
01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:33,000
that they're also really suffering with open positions and lack of housing. Thank you.

850
01:12:36,060 --> 01:12:43,940
One of the buildings in the first phase of Catamount's run is quite a bit smaller than the others.

851
01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:53,540
And the plan is to dedicate that building with 30 plus apartments right now as a starting point

852
01:12:53,540 --> 01:13:02,960
for factants and then if there's further demand to include additional units in the second phase.

853
01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:12,280
So we don't have, and of course as you point out, it's not like there's a whole bunch of people

854
01:13:12,280 --> 01:13:18,760
waiting at the same instant in time. It's kind of incremental. If you select a faculty member,

855
01:13:18,760 --> 01:13:23,180
than is that that's the point when you need the flexibility. So the hope is that we can

856
01:13:23,820 --> 01:13:29,180
build in enough flexibility so that at least is an interim point. Now obviously this

857
01:13:29,180 --> 01:13:35,060
folks eventually may want their own you know single family home sometime but in this case at least

858
01:13:35,060 --> 01:13:43,020
they would allow them to get into the area and have an apartment and then hopefully migrate from that

859
01:13:43,020 --> 01:13:52,240
over time. So that's that's the current plan and Kate I know that your question was specific to

860
01:13:53,260 --> 01:13:59,900
faculty and staff at UVM and UVM's plans around housing but I will just note and I mentioned

861
01:13:59,900 --> 01:14:09,440
this at the beginning that we have been talking about the housing needs of UVM alongside other housing

862
01:14:09,440 --> 01:14:16,000
issues here in Burlington as well and have been working on a number of other policy changes

863
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:22,200
that relate to how we can expand the availability of housing citywide for many people in our community

864
01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:27,660
as well. So we do recognize that we need to be doing we all need to be doing all of these things

865
01:14:27,660 --> 01:14:34,600
together at the same time to address the needs of our community for housing. Okay so would we have next?

866
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:38,620
I have Amy for round two, but she left.

867
01:14:39,140 --> 01:14:40,300
Amy left, okay?

868
01:14:40,440 --> 01:14:40,860
Care long.

869
01:14:41,180 --> 01:14:41,660
Care long.

870
01:14:42,200 --> 01:14:43,020
Thank you.

871
01:14:43,480 --> 01:14:44,660
I have a couple of questions.

872
01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:54,340
So that's what I have just heard now about this report that is supposed to come out about

873
01:14:54,340 --> 01:14:56,600
the housing attack and grunting.

874
01:14:56,600 --> 01:14:59,820
but have you now a little UVM ends?

875
01:15:10,260 --> 01:15:24,740
We have responded to what we were asked for, which were mostly just in public. We were provided all information was initially asked for. We just recently got a request from the more data, but we're providing that.

876
01:15:24,740 --> 01:15:32,160
Okay, because I mean, I think that would be awesome if that was available and if not put the build-off to more weeks there

877
01:15:32,680 --> 01:15:37,700
Another month, whatever the council will still be there the same council until April, right?

878
01:15:38,500 --> 01:15:45,140
Yeah, the end of March the end of March. Yeah, yeah, so that I mean, I think that's sort of like a given that we should speak to that

879
01:15:45,140 --> 01:15:50,620
But one thing I wanted to comment on I wanted to thank you

880
01:15:50,620 --> 01:16:08,040
And I guess you go by APK, so Mr. K. Anyway, about what you said about housing in Burlington that many of the homes that students are living in are Victorian homes that have been retrofitted to be pretty substandard house.

881
01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:10,740
And we all love that, I could say that.

882
01:16:10,740 --> 01:16:17,220
And I mean, you know, there are certain neighborhoods that have really been lost, which is super sad if you walk downtown.

883
01:16:18,780 --> 01:16:25,380
Anyway, but what is happening, and I was just like, I've been involved in this for like two years,

884
01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:32,600
The Asian street is one of our vast neighborhoods, unfortunately, even very standard screw up there.

885
01:16:32,820 --> 01:16:40,320
It lives there. The McKenzie family was raised there, some kind of other famous family people for our tent.

886
01:16:41,240 --> 01:16:48,580
But for two years, I've been watching the homie be, you know, the lady by trucked up, destroyed in my opinion.

887
01:16:48,580 --> 01:16:52,020
and actually just, if you're able to see,

888
01:16:52,500 --> 01:16:55,920
but what it sounds to me is that our state

889
01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:59,020
should be bananas, coached as a person.

890
01:16:59,240 --> 01:17:00,260
There's already two units,

891
01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:02,940
and there's already seven people living in this home.

892
01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:07,160
And I, you know, it's just been for what they've been

893
01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:08,920
going through with the construction,

894
01:17:09,380 --> 01:17:12,760
and they have been allowed to turn a hip-root into a gable

895
01:17:12,760 --> 01:17:17,460
who they have put in a beautiful forge in the back

896
01:17:17,460 --> 01:17:24,000
that now is by a stairway to the third floor because they want to begin it and the city has been

897
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:33,160
coaching this landlord how he could put a unit on there to add more students and to me yes we

898
01:17:33,160 --> 01:17:39,760
need housing but this is the wrong way to go about and I think we need apartment buildings I think we

899
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:45,120
we need things to build that are safe and livable for people.

900
01:17:45,740 --> 01:17:48,720
So anyway, I'm pretty shocked at what I've seen

901
01:17:48,720 --> 01:17:52,220
and the city notes that I'm said about it.

902
01:17:53,300 --> 01:17:55,000
But that is how we're operating.

903
01:17:55,280 --> 01:17:57,140
And I guess the bottom line is,

904
01:17:57,600 --> 01:18:00,460
the city is gonna do anything to get one more unit

905
01:18:01,320 --> 01:18:03,980
for people that really it's not,

906
01:18:04,300 --> 01:18:06,620
if you know adding space is not the greatest place

907
01:18:06,620 --> 01:18:13,440
still good for anybody. So anyway, thank you for your comment because I think you're totally right.

908
01:18:13,660 --> 01:18:21,380
The Victorian halls should not be chopped up anymore and that we need to build housing.

909
01:18:21,660 --> 01:18:28,920
We need to, and I totally agree with everybody, we need to put a cap on it because we cannot,

910
01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:35,920
you know, until we build a housing, we can't keep talking more people coming in here and

911
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:42,220
live in these, you know, trickles, so land you through time. Okay, who's next?

912
01:18:43,980 --> 01:18:50,240
Anya? Someone here did one here. One second, I have just a couple more sharing. Anya?

913
01:18:52,360 --> 01:19:01,080
Oh no, I put Anna, Brenna, but she just left. So then the next, I see three people online who

914
01:19:01,080 --> 01:19:02,720
haven't spoken so we'll go to Evan Gold.

915
01:19:06,160 --> 01:19:09,900
Hi, can you hear me? Yep, go ahead Evan. Hi. Yeah,

916
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:16,500
I just wanted to kind of voice my support. I think this is long overdue. I think in general,

917
01:19:17,200 --> 01:19:23,700
UVM zoning is very restrictive compared to other universities and other places. I've lived in

918
01:19:23,700 --> 01:19:32,040
Burlington for 15 years. I'm a UVM grad. And yeah, I think this is a good step forward. I think there's

919
01:19:32,040 --> 01:19:38,240
other changes that could be made. But I'm in support of the changes. Just wanted to say that.

920
01:19:38,580 --> 01:19:39,720
And thank you for your work, Megan.

921
01:19:41,860 --> 01:19:45,060
Okay. Thanks, Evan. The next step is Barbara Hedrick.

922
01:19:49,470 --> 01:19:55,730
There we go. I think you should be able to speak forever. Okay. Likewise, I'm very happy that

923
01:19:55,730 --> 01:20:02,330
UVM is going to add a lot of student housing to campus. But I feel that housing should

924
01:20:04,410 --> 01:20:12,590
There should be much more housing available for upper-classmen and graduate students than

925
01:20:12,590 --> 01:20:22,730
what the current MOU includes, and I'd like to discuss faculty comments that were just

926
01:20:22,730 --> 01:20:24,230
made about faculty housing.

927
01:20:24,230 --> 01:20:33,990
when my husband joined the UVM faculty in 2001 we came up to look for housing and the

928
01:20:33,990 --> 01:20:41,610
apartments. Since he was moving up here before I was dual career couple, the apartments we looked

929
01:20:41,610 --> 01:20:51,310
at in Burlington were horrible. I couldn't imagine anyone living in them. It reminded me of really bad

930
01:20:51,310 --> 01:20:53,450
student housing that I had in college.

931
01:20:55,650 --> 01:20:59,530
Not at all really good if you're trying to attract

932
01:20:59,530 --> 01:21:06,730
good faculty to the university and UVM wants to attract good faculty therefore it should really

933
01:21:06,730 --> 01:21:15,370
work to make sure that single-family homes in Burlington are protected and not chopped up into

934
01:21:15,370 --> 01:21:21,750
apartments because faculty wants to live in the city and many of them want to have single-family

935
01:21:21,750 --> 01:21:28,950
homes. What happened is the three of us, when I moved up a year later with our son,

936
01:21:29,570 --> 01:21:32,130
the three of us had to share one bedroom.

937
01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:36,660
Until a couple of years later,

938
01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:45,140
we could find a house to buy and we were so lucky to get it. It was completely out of our price

939
01:21:45,140 --> 01:21:50,980
range but we were lucky to get it because we heard about it word of mouth and worked the back channels

940
01:21:50,980 --> 01:21:57,940
to get it. And thank God because the prices have just gone up even further and the number of

941
01:21:57,940 --> 01:22:07,180
single-family homes has gone down. I read recently in Vermont Digger that in Burlington, 38 percent

942
01:22:07,180 --> 01:22:13,880
of the housing units are not owner-occupied. And this is an extraordinarily large percentage

943
01:22:13,880 --> 01:22:19,580
that are not owner occupied by across, you know, comparing it to other cities.

944
01:22:20,320 --> 01:22:26,600
So, we really need to stop trying to chop.

945
01:22:27,200 --> 01:22:32,620
You know, this neighborhood code is recommending chopping up houses into more units.

946
01:22:32,920 --> 01:22:39,200
But that is not going to help UVM because it's going to be very hard to recruit great faculty and university.

947
01:22:39,200 --> 01:22:44,280
If you don't have single family homes that where people can walk the campus.

948
01:22:45,040 --> 01:22:45,820
Thanks very much.

949
01:22:46,300 --> 01:22:47,320
Thank you Barbara.

950
01:22:47,920 --> 01:22:50,300
Next we have David Crowley online in the will.

951
01:22:51,200 --> 01:22:52,200
Sorry, colleagues.

952
01:22:53,060 --> 01:22:54,360
I passed everyone his names.

953
01:22:54,480 --> 01:22:54,820
All

954
01:22:56,900 --> 01:22:59,560
right, David, you should be able to speak.

955
01:23:01,640 --> 01:23:02,720
Hi, can you hear me now?

956
01:23:03,180 --> 01:23:03,760
Yep, go ahead.

957
01:23:04,640 --> 01:23:09,820
This is I've been listening to this discussion and I was at the ward one,

958
01:23:09,820 --> 01:23:15,060
but I have a very basic question and I hope that you might be able to answer it. The chart that

959
01:23:15,060 --> 01:23:23,720
you're showing has 2,110 units being added by these four projects, you know, Rugby, Waterman,

960
01:23:24,440 --> 01:23:31,940
and Trinity One and Two, which is great. That's adding all this new housing. Does the 1.5

961
01:23:32,620 --> 01:23:39,740
number per new student that would be added on top of these numbers or these numbers part of that

962
01:23:39,740 --> 01:23:47,180
one point five metric. Well the question would be is whether a rule would rule

963
01:23:47,180 --> 01:23:56,820
beyond the 1175. So these projects would be designed to do two things. One would

964
01:23:56,820 --> 01:24:04,620
be to address the current situation and thereby drive off the vacancy rate

965
01:24:04,620 --> 01:24:14,940
in Burlington for existing housing and however if it was additional growth we

966
01:24:14,940 --> 01:24:20,000
would still be within the bounds. Say that there were we took on another hundred

967
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:23,700
students and therefore that would require us to build another hundred and fifty

968
01:24:23,700 --> 01:24:30,800
days. That could be within this number but we can't

969
01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:40,520
subject specific. So this would allow us to grow, but we don't have a plan to grow. The goal

970
01:24:40,520 --> 01:24:47,640
here is going to have more and better housing for our students, for our existing

971
01:24:48,160 --> 01:24:49,260
population of students.

972
01:24:52,680 --> 01:24:58,060
So for clarity, can I just ask again, so you're saying that if the university

973
01:24:58,060 --> 01:25:08,880
grows, these four projects will serve as the expanded housing that the MOU is calling for.

974
01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:09,740
It could.

975
01:25:10,340 --> 01:25:20,240
Although we have no plan to grow by any substantial amount during this timeframe, and that's why we are projecting having more students.

976
01:25:20,360 --> 01:25:22,940
And that's why many of these numbers in the table, I think.

977
01:25:24,060 --> 01:25:29,440
But if there was another hundred through this, yes, that they could help us cover that.

978
01:25:31,480 --> 01:25:32,720
Okay, thank you.

979
01:25:33,020 --> 01:25:33,900
Thank you, David.

980
01:25:34,080 --> 01:25:36,480
We're going to go to Gilhat.

981
01:25:37,360 --> 01:25:38,740
We were saying, I'm sorry.

982
01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:40,760
We know a lot of people's names, but I apologize.

983
01:25:44,950 --> 01:25:46,290
You know, many other times.

984
01:25:48,430 --> 01:25:51,250
I'm currently in vice president of the government's position.

985
01:25:52,010 --> 01:25:57,650
I am also a tour guide, so I have a lot of ideas to face with this kind of issue that

986
01:25:57,650 --> 01:26:01,890
actually when I ran the first group of government kind of has a situation, was there a piece

987
01:26:01,890 --> 01:26:02,550
I wanted to see.

988
01:26:03,010 --> 01:26:03,670
How do you give it all?

989
01:26:04,590 --> 01:26:08,410
So, you're reading through this and when you do kind of this, it's been the conversation.

990
01:26:08,870 --> 01:26:09,490
I do agree.

991
01:26:09,670 --> 01:26:16,950
I think there needs to be an increase in the debt and the value of building housing is really important,

992
01:26:16,950 --> 01:26:20,850
but I think it's also like even more important kind of a little bit because I think this and

993
01:26:20,850 --> 01:26:25,770
you think you can be the great things in the city or everything you could have a very negative impact on not only

994
01:26:25,770 --> 01:26:32,430
the city's residents but also students at university. I myself was in trouble my first two years. That was not my choice,

995
01:26:32,570 --> 01:26:37,430
so I was lucky to have some really great roommates. I'm going on a great bit, but I know that's not situation for everybody,

996
01:26:37,670 --> 01:26:43,950
so I think it's really important that we consider that, and you know, in this kind of you I do see that there is

997
01:26:44,350 --> 01:26:49,210
a level of commitment to not precinct enrollment, but I really really think it's important

998
01:26:51,030 --> 01:26:57,650
I want to see that in writing, I think that university goes that to students, it's a city and I think the city goes that to its presence.

999
01:26:58,410 --> 01:27:00,110
That is something that I think needs to have.

1000
01:27:00,230 --> 01:27:10,390
I also think, you know, if this and when you sign into action by a city council that, you know, so members of the Senate are gone, I'm on that side.

1001
01:27:10,850 --> 01:27:13,710
I don't see how it can be extremely complicated that I think.

1002
01:27:13,710 --> 01:27:17,830
and then when you, of this nature that's going to last five or maybe 10 years,

1003
01:27:18,690 --> 01:27:23,970
these people know that people who are going to be in office when that is, you know.

1004
01:27:24,130 --> 01:27:27,050
So, I think there's a lot of potential for you, I think it's important.

1005
01:27:27,610 --> 01:27:32,170
Some of the things you should do, I would really urge, you know, to consider that.

1006
01:27:32,550 --> 01:27:36,410
I think that's really important, I think, you know, I know there's a couple of other students here

1007
01:27:36,410 --> 01:27:39,890
but I don't, I kind of think it's because we have students in this issue as well,

1008
01:27:40,010 --> 01:27:42,230
so that's something that's really important to take into consideration.

1009
01:27:42,970 --> 01:27:49,550
Okay. Thank you. So just one second, Sharon. I see you. And we have a few hands online

1010
01:27:49,550 --> 01:27:52,830
that are all people who have already spoken. So I just want to provide an opportunity

1011
01:27:52,830 --> 01:27:57,090
if anyone's here who has them had a chance to share a question or comment that would like

1012
01:27:57,090 --> 01:27:59,930
to hear or online.

1013
01:28:02,590 --> 01:28:06,890
Okay. So then we'll go back to Sharon and then we'll come back to the people online.

1014
01:28:06,890 --> 01:28:09,830
And so first of all, I want to thank our class.

1015
01:28:10,150 --> 01:28:11,810
I'm so glad that you're here.

1016
01:28:12,350 --> 01:28:14,530
And I feel the students and I, you know,

1017
01:28:14,690 --> 01:28:16,090
it's not, I'm not facilitating this,

1018
01:28:16,290 --> 01:28:18,290
but to me it's really important to do

1019
01:28:18,290 --> 01:28:20,530
with the student body, thanks about this along you.

1020
01:28:21,230 --> 01:28:24,590
And this fact will be, as a resident,

1021
01:28:25,330 --> 01:28:26,950
I'm in the long of the end,

1022
01:28:27,070 --> 01:28:32,130
but I'm not enchanted with my university

1023
01:28:33,070 --> 01:28:36,330
and I don't want to, um, this is why I'm living next.

1024
01:28:36,330 --> 01:28:38,990
So, but that's not what I wanted the time for.

1025
01:28:40,250 --> 01:28:43,830
So, but you didn't have a chance to see the comments that I had.

1026
01:28:44,270 --> 01:28:50,450
But I had a number of specific comments about one of the sites that you're proposing for housing.

1027
01:28:51,290 --> 01:28:56,390
And the one way the rugby field is, and I didn't know.

1028
01:28:56,590 --> 01:28:58,050
So this is a specific question.

1029
01:29:00,770 --> 01:29:09,850
So, I don't know what I am, but it's a war, but it's a sport that's love, so I wondered what

1030
01:29:09,850 --> 01:29:14,590
happened to that, but I also wondered because I didn't expect that the year is a trans-cuted

1031
01:29:14,590 --> 01:29:15,070
medicine.

1032
01:29:15,690 --> 01:29:23,030
I wondered what was going to happen with the helicopter pan and getting patients to the hospital, and

1033
01:29:23,030 --> 01:29:24,290
and heard nothing about that.

1034
01:29:24,450 --> 01:29:27,010
The other piece that I think is really important

1035
01:29:27,410 --> 01:29:30,010
is that on the other side,

1036
01:29:30,150 --> 01:29:31,850
so if you build on that site,

1037
01:29:31,950 --> 01:29:33,850
and it's not like I'm opposed to that,

1038
01:29:34,030 --> 01:29:34,750
so I'm getting wrong,

1039
01:29:34,970 --> 01:29:36,890
but if you build on that site,

1040
01:29:37,130 --> 01:29:39,850
it can suffocate students' processes to Avenue.

1041
01:29:40,470 --> 01:29:44,810
We already had traffic coming in from Los General

1042
01:29:44,810 --> 01:29:46,010
from the interstate,

1043
01:29:46,510 --> 01:29:48,750
and they're trying to access the hospital.

1044
01:29:49,230 --> 01:29:50,430
Ambulances, everything.

1045
01:29:50,430 --> 01:29:57,830
And so there's a direct shift road out a little way to should be established, but a lot of patients are employing to establish.

1046
01:29:58,510 --> 01:29:59,790
If you've met students, come.

1047
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:06,680
I'm not saying that straight constantly. You put them at risk and you create a track of dam down through the

1048
01:30:06,680 --> 01:30:13,420
industry. If you build on the other side, now, I know you and I have a conversation about

1049
01:30:13,420 --> 01:30:19,000
parking lots, and I'm not trying to take any of your parking away, but if you build on the other side, and I was

1050
01:30:22,600 --> 01:30:27,520
I don't know how far I went, but I told me to tell you about it, and I didn't need anything.

1051
01:30:27,980 --> 01:30:33,220
But you feel on the other side, all the parking, keep the service parking.

1052
01:30:33,860 --> 01:30:38,440
And you could have students there and be, they would have to cross the road.

1053
01:30:38,760 --> 01:30:41,480
You wouldn't have that interference that I'm talking about.

1054
01:30:41,920 --> 01:30:45,280
And you wouldn't have the issue with the health power plant, et cetera.

1055
01:30:45,280 --> 01:30:53,660
So I wanted this university to get all considered that, not talking about, not creating housing, just talking about location.

1056
01:30:54,740 --> 01:31:02,340
If you're not prepared to answer that tonight, that's fine, but I would like to understand why that wasn't one of the choices.

1057
01:31:03,160 --> 01:31:07,100
Because I do think that what I'm looking at is cumulative impacts.

1058
01:31:07,100 --> 01:31:19,120
And some people have talked about that a little bit, that it dates on by when projects with multiple projects occurred in close proximity within a couple of years of each other.

1059
01:31:19,300 --> 01:31:24,960
They would look at cumulative impacts. It didn't matter if it was a possible UVM in the city doing it.

1060
01:31:24,960 --> 01:31:28,600
They're low health impacts, like Bridget was talking about

1061
01:31:28,600 --> 01:31:32,720
on sentennial woods, on the growth, on the infrastructure.

1062
01:31:33,520 --> 01:31:36,940
And I'm not seeing that thought process.

1063
01:31:37,240 --> 01:31:42,300
So I don't want us to create a scenario where when you actually

1064
01:31:42,300 --> 01:31:46,640
go build, it implodes because there are so many factors

1065
01:31:46,640 --> 01:31:48,580
that don't make it work.

1066
01:31:49,060 --> 01:31:52,860
So I'm trying to be helpful on harmful in this conversation.

1067
01:31:52,860 --> 01:31:55,260
But I really needed to get that out, so.

1068
01:31:55,700 --> 01:32:03,300
So maybe starting here quickly, we have evaluated pretty much every experience of campus

1069
01:32:03,300 --> 01:32:05,220
and trying to think about how it would be fun.

1070
01:32:06,320 --> 01:32:11,200
And I won't tell you what's possible to go where you are, but there are stormwater issues

1071
01:32:11,200 --> 01:32:17,220
and it's also maize of steam lines and electrical conduits and they're a blow ground that make

1072
01:32:17,220 --> 01:32:21,800
building in that area is quite, quite complicated and much more sensitive.

1073
01:32:22,660 --> 01:32:30,280
It doesn't mean, it's impossible, it doesn't mean that we would further consider it, but that's part of why we look for easier option.

1074
01:32:31,560 --> 01:32:46,740
In terms of the health pad, as you know, I think UVM owns all the way on there, wrapping up the words, and there's a multiple open area right beside the roadway that goes out through there.

1075
01:32:46,740 --> 01:32:50,280
where the health registry will be brought to on your VM land.

1076
01:32:50,840 --> 01:32:55,260
And lastly, there is an alternative for us to be on the athletic campus.

1077
01:32:55,760 --> 01:32:56,240
It does that.

1078
01:33:00,620 --> 01:33:01,100
Okay.

1079
01:33:01,260 --> 01:33:03,140
Okay. So we'll go back to.

1080
01:33:03,480 --> 01:33:04,000
I'm sorry.

1081
01:33:04,360 --> 01:33:06,020
I just want to clarify something I said.

1082
01:33:06,260 --> 01:33:08,600
I said speaking on behalf of the U.S.

1083
01:33:08,640 --> 01:33:10,740
I'm sure I'm not speaking on behalf of the U.S.

1084
01:33:10,840 --> 01:33:12,820
student, but I do feel that U.S.

1085
01:33:12,820 --> 01:33:16,180
student voices have been limited in this conversation.

1086
01:33:16,500 --> 01:33:18,780
So I wanted to bring to the table, but I believe

1087
01:33:18,780 --> 01:33:20,000
that I've heard from other students.

1088
01:33:20,180 --> 01:33:23,180
And we also conducted a strategic plan survey

1089
01:33:24,240 --> 01:33:26,500
last semester of what most important issues

1090
01:33:26,500 --> 01:33:27,260
are to students.

1091
01:33:27,800 --> 01:33:30,720
And it was a very accurate, I'm gonna give you exact data.

1092
01:33:31,340 --> 01:33:33,500
So I think that this is something that I wanted

1093
01:33:33,500 --> 01:33:35,880
to express by personally disseminating what I've heard

1094
01:33:35,880 --> 01:33:38,240
from other students, but I'm sure that it's not

1095
01:33:38,240 --> 01:33:40,300
consensus remote, so I just want to clarify that.

1096
01:33:40,300 --> 01:33:45,220
Okay, yeah, okay, I'll go to you since you haven't spoken yet and then we'll go online.

1097
01:33:45,540 --> 01:33:53,420
No, I'm not sure that this has been spoken to for a while, but there was recent information

1098
01:33:53,420 --> 01:33:58,940
that the state water is off the supervenge of the water, yeah, we did, we talked about that.

1099
01:33:59,060 --> 01:34:06,720
I just tried that on a little bit and similar to what you said about having a city councilor's

1100
01:34:06,720 --> 01:34:14,000
vote about something where those candidates will be switched out a couple of months later.

1101
01:34:14,380 --> 01:34:20,440
I think it's really important that the correct, the longer standing candidates are going to go

1102
01:34:20,440 --> 01:34:27,240
correct, I could say, that until they see the auditors support, and I'll think of that nutrition

1103
01:34:27,240 --> 01:34:33,840
on it. That's number one, the number two. I'm sure I think you can talk about this before, but

1104
01:34:33,840 --> 01:35:02,820
But I think one thing that I haven't seen in that, I know that we can't really see it now because there's another concrete landscape where the potential buildings are, but I think that one thing that should really be protected is as much tree canopy and any sort of, maybe not necessarily green space.

1105
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but I think having a understanding that

1106
01:35:06,220 --> 01:35:09,000
Harlington is one of the fastest

1107
01:35:09,000 --> 01:35:12,620
heating cities is really important to remember

1108
01:35:12,620 --> 01:35:14,980
and that need to maintain some

1109
01:35:16,900 --> 01:35:19,820
pretty solid climate building opportunities

1110
01:35:21,220 --> 01:35:24,100
and I was just wondering if anybody

1111
01:35:24,100 --> 01:35:25,460
could speak about that especially

1112
01:35:25,460 --> 01:35:29,300
the area that you guys are dedicated

1113
01:35:29,300 --> 01:35:32,080
to building environmentally

1114
01:35:32,080 --> 01:35:47,280
the non-packed whole buildings that I can put that agreement to be with the city if there's city regulations that then make sure that new development has certain

1115
01:35:47,280 --> 01:36:00,500
I guess. Sorry for that. The current city regulations require for instance of these being all electric building right off the bat. So in terms of that of the environmental piece.

1116
01:36:01,240 --> 01:36:13,160
UVM is in building lead certified buildings for the last 18 years. So we've been that's what we always do. And all of these would be being certified as well.

1117
01:36:13,160 --> 01:36:15,300
but we're looking at whether we can go further.

1118
01:36:16,100 --> 01:36:18,120
Part of this is always about cost,

1119
01:36:18,240 --> 01:36:21,300
the balancing act of can you keep the rates affordable

1120
01:36:21,300 --> 01:36:25,020
and make it is environmentally down as you want,

1121
01:36:25,710 --> 01:36:27,580
but they will be in service likely.

1122
01:36:30,260 --> 01:36:33,920
So I also just want to acknowledge Emer came in

1123
01:36:33,920 --> 01:36:36,220
and told us that the library closes in 10 minutes.

1124
01:36:36,700 --> 01:36:38,280
So we have about seven minutes

1125
01:36:38,280 --> 01:36:40,680
and I want to respect the library's last time.

1126
01:36:41,560 --> 01:36:43,940
So I'll say we'll take one final question

1127
01:36:43,940 --> 01:36:51,300
from Andrea. I saw your hand up first online and then we'll wrap up for tonight. So go ahead Andrea.

1128
01:36:52,680 --> 01:36:59,300
Thank you so much. I feel lucky. I get the last last question. I actually have two and so you

1129
01:36:59,300 --> 01:37:08,120
can choose which one to answer. But the the redstone lofts, I think I didn't see from the pictures.

1130
01:37:08,580 --> 01:37:13,060
I don't know if it's possible to put those pictures of the areas but I didn't see it didn't seem

1131
01:37:13,060 --> 01:37:19,800
to me to be an area being considered for expanding zoning and expanding, like I just think

1132
01:37:19,800 --> 01:37:26,100
that's an area that really has already, has some private expanded building space. If those

1133
01:37:26,100 --> 01:37:31,240
buildings were 14 stories, I would vote for yes for a 14 story red stone lofts building

1134
01:37:32,020 --> 01:37:39,820
because it's already been started up there and it's also private, it's not a tax exempt building

1135
01:37:39,820 --> 01:37:45,500
as far as I'm concerned. So is there kind of in this picture of expanding housing for UVM students?

1136
01:37:45,500 --> 01:37:52,080
Are there private partnerships like the Redstone Lofts expansion areas being considered as part

1137
01:37:52,080 --> 01:37:58,800
of this? So that's one question. And the other is I really like what some people have been saying

1138
01:37:58,800 --> 01:38:09,640
about kind of more teeth in this MOU. Some of what I've heard, I think it's Mr. Kate, say or

1139
01:38:09,640 --> 01:38:16,080
some like verbal limits that they're sort of wanting to vaguely stick to and I think

1140
01:38:16,080 --> 01:38:21,980
what I would like to see as a way to keep those limits as close to what they are saying

1141
01:38:21,980 --> 01:38:26,840
they want to is that if it exceeds those limits that there's made that the if the enrollment

1142
01:38:26,840 --> 01:38:32,500
exceeds those numbers, then they will agree to two times the number of enrollment instead

1143
01:38:32,500 --> 01:38:38,700
of 1.5. I just really don't feel like there's an incentive in this MOU to keep the enrollment

1144
01:38:38,700 --> 01:38:51,000
numbers down. So if there's a way to sort of firmly incentivize the university to say if you

1145
01:38:51,000 --> 01:39:00,200
exceed these 11,765 in a moment, then you're going to do two or three times the number of housing

1146
01:39:00,200 --> 01:39:07,000
needs. So those are two of my comments and questions. Okay. Do you want to speak to them?

1147
01:39:07,000 --> 01:39:12,500
The first question, all the projects that are currently under consideration are partnerships

1148
01:39:12,500 --> 01:39:19,720
of one form or another with a private end in the case of the Catamount One City Center.

1149
01:39:20,260 --> 01:39:25,300
That's with the United Kingdom development and in the case of the double-true projects

1150
01:39:25,300 --> 01:39:28,860
that is with the current owners in the double-true hotel.

1151
01:39:32,450 --> 01:39:37,590
And I think we'll just acknowledge and appreciate your comment, Andrea, about an idea that

1152
01:39:37,590 --> 01:39:45,310
you shared about how to provide accountability as part of this. So with that I want to say thank you

1153
01:39:45,310 --> 01:39:51,530
to everyone for being here, being online for the comments and questions. Thank you to UVM for

1154
01:39:51,530 --> 01:39:58,150
joining us. There was a question in the online comments about where tonight's materials will be.

1155
01:39:58,650 --> 01:40:07,250
We will post these to either civic clerk if you found tonight's meeting on the same platform where

1156
01:40:07,250 --> 01:40:11,850
you can find all the City Boarding Commission meetings, and it will also be posted. Currently,

1157
01:40:11,950 --> 01:40:16,850
we have a page about the work that we have been doing on the Trinity zoning. On the City's website,

1158
01:40:16,870 --> 01:40:21,970
it will also be posted there, the slides from tonight's meeting. So again, thank you all,

1159
01:40:22,250 --> 01:40:27,210
and since the library is closing remotely, I don't want to rush everyone, but just thank you for

1160
01:40:27,730 --> 01:40:28,650
helping me look around.