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» Fantastic. Uh, welcome everybody to our

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January 14th, 2026 uh, regular council

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meeting, first one of the year. I'd like

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to respectfully acknowledge the land on

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which we're gathered today is the

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unseated territory, the Komox First

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Nation, the traditional keepers of um,

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this land.

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Um, we do have an introduction of late

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items. Uh, the Courtney Air Park

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Association letter of request and uh,

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excellent. Any questions or comments?

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Seeing none, all those in favor? Any

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opposed? And motion carries. Thank you

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for that. And we'll move in adoption of

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minutes. And we have a regular council

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minutes from December 10th to

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any errors or omissions? See none, we'll

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accept those unanimously and we'll move

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into the parks and wreck um meeting

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minutes as well.

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» Excellent. Any errors or emissions?

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Seeing none, uh we'll accept those

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unanimously as well. And with that,

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we'll move into our first delegation uh

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with the mayor, Maryanne Me Ward from

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the city of Burlington, Ontario. Uh,

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Mayor Ward, it was a pleasure uh

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speaking with you uh previously and

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thank you so much for joining us today.

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Uh the the topic of the discussion uh is

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the elect respect uh campaign and uh

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with that I'll turn it over to you.

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» Well, thank you so much Mayor Wells for

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inviting me to be here this evening

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virtually and thank you to all members

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of council. I had the opportunity uh

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with my husband to travel through your

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fine city earlier this year. actually

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last year um and in and just absolutely

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loved being there. So we uh I'm a

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British Columbia an honorary BCN I think

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if that's the right the way to say it

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but thanks for for inviting me to uh

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speak a little bit about the elect

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respect uh resolution what it is and

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what it isn't and I want to uh really

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extend my sincere thanks to Mayor Wells

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for bringing this forward and for your

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support mayor for elect respect. Uh this

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began as really a conversation among um

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Halton elected representatives who are

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women. We have a coffee group that meets

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a couple of times a year for support.

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talking about whether we would encourage

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uh our friends, our daughters. Uh my

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husband and I have two daughters and a

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son. Uh would we encourage them to seek

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elected office? And um not so long ago,

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it wouldn't have I wouldn't have

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hesitated to say yes. uh those of us who

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do this, it's a public service. We love

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what we do and just the ability to see

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um our community getting better because

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of some of the work we're able to do

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together. There's nothing like it. But

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uh but there's a butt and in recent

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years it has become um uh very toxic uh

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to the point of death threats uh for

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members of elected office. And so

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Electrospect was born. Um we uh everyone

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around the table of my coffee group and

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this is trustees all the way up to MPs,

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cabinet ministers, we had all

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experienced it and it was really kind of

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a shocking moment for us to hear that

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every single person had a story and uh

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and then we got to work. Uh what what

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could we do about this? And the one

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thing that we can always do is lead by

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example and commit ourselves to

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respectful debate and dialogue. And so

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we so the pledge, the electrospect

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pledge was born. Uh we commit to uh

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being respectful to our colleagues on

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council when we disagree. We want to

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foster good debate and dialogue about

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the issues, but we want to focus on

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policy, not people and not personal

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attacks. So that's the first part of the

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pledge. Uh and in return, we ask the

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public and our uh and our colleagues to

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treat us with respect. And since uh we

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launched the pledge um uh it has gone

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across Ontario, across the country uh

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major cities including Toronto, Missaga,

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Hamilton, uh of course Burlington have

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passed this. You would be the first uh

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city in British Columbia to pass it. Uh

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we have Flintflon Manitoba who passed

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it. uh and a number of uh boards and

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agencies including chambers of commerce

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uh business improvement areas you know

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really those public-f facing uh

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businesses where they are saying they

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also want to uh receive respect from the

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their customers and the people they

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serve. Uh last year our member of

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parliament Karina Gould um presented the

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elect respect pledge in the House of

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Commons. So we do encourage you to reach

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out to your MPs, your members of the

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legislative assembly to see if they will

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sign and endorse the pledge. So the

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momentum is really growing across the

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country. And I think there's there's a

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good and a and a and a difficult side to

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that. The good part is people are saying

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we want respectful discourse. The issues

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are too important. They're too big and

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and there are legitimate views,

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different views about them. Uh the

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downside is that everyone's got a story

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and and we really think that that's why

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this has taken off across the country

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that people are saying enough. Uh

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politics doesn't have to be a blood

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sport. It's actually public service. Uh

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and we want to encourage good people to

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run and stay in politics. Uh and uh I

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want to be able to encourage my

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daughters and my son uh to choose this

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as a career and not fear uh for it. Uh

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what it is is respectful debate. What it

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isn't is an attempt to silence different

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views. In fact, the opposite is true.

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discourse, if you are worried that you

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could be threatened with uh with death

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in my case, uh I can tell you my story,

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but uh it's it's um I've been told not

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to go to public meetings. My safety

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couldn't be guaranteed. Uh that's what

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we're trying to say is unacceptable. uh

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but legitimate, respectful disagreement

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and debate on the issues we face is

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absolutely what we're trying to foster

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and create a climate of respect. So,

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few words. Happy to answer any

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questions. And again, thank you, Mayor

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Wells, and and all of the good people

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and council members of Courtney for this

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opportunity to speak to you this

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appreciate it. And again, thanks again

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for for starting this campaign again. Uh

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fact that, you know, this is something

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um uh when we look at the betrayal, when

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we look at um uh people fearing for

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their safety, it's definitely something

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that has uh uh exacerbated over the last

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five or so years that we we I've noticed

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that we see happening a lot online, but

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then we can see that spilling over um uh

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beyond that. And when I see how um this

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uh hits differently for my female

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colleagues, um one the types of threats

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they get are definitely I would say um

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levels multiple levels above what what I

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receive. Uh and you know some of the

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stuff I receive I think is certainly

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unacceptable but um uh people shouldn't

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lives or or for their family members.

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is is some people you we sometimes refer

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to them as keyboard warriors, but, uh,

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especially online, they're they're

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feeling that they have, uh, sort of a

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cart blanch to, uh, to attack and to try

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to intimidate and instill fear in

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people, which is which is simply

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bullying and and and not not acceptable.

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anybody had any uh, comments uh, or

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questions beyond that. I don't see

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anything. Um, I really appreciate you

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taking the time today uh to do this. I

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know we had a member of the public who

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thought you might be flying here today.

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useful. We do have a counselor on a

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train going in the opposite direction

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towards you, I think. Uh, but uh really

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glad you were able to to pop in today.

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starting this uh this campaign and

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really hope that uh we continue to to

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move things forward. I know there's

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quite a few BC uh politicians now who

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have signed on to this and uh and I

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would expect that to continue. Our our

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local um association ABICC has asked me

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to sort of um uh provide some

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information when we have our um uh

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conference coming up here uh in in the

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near future. So there's definitely a lot

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of interest um uh and uh again, thank

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you so much. And with that, I'll let you

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go back to your regularly scheduled

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program and uh appreciate again all your

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work on this.

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» All right. Um with that, we'll move into

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uh internal reports and correspondence.

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And first is a resident survey, your

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Courtney, your voice. And I'll pass it

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Miss Okconor.

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um, I'm very excited to present this

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year's findings of the 2025 resident

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satisfaction survey, your Courtney, your

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voice. This year marks a significant

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step in our commitment to community

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engagement. Building on the feedback

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gathered from our previous surveys to

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form a what will be a very valuable

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5-year benchmark data set. As in past

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durations, the survey serves as a

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crucial platform for residents to

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express their opinions and influence

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city policies and services. By utilizing

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evidence-based decision-making, we can

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meaningfully evaluate our service

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delivery and pinpoint areas that need

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improvement. Notably, the city selected

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Prairie Research Associates this year to

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lead the survey. So, bit of a different

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face online. uh implementing innovative

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methodologies that diminish bias and

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enhance data quality, particularly by

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capturing a more representative sample

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of our diverse community, including

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younger residents who are previously who

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previously had less visibility. Among

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the meth methodological updates for the

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2025 survey was a significant change in

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the way we approach our municipal

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comparators. In the past, our

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comparisons involved municipalities

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whose populations range broadly from

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10,000 to 150,000 residents, which often

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skewed the accuracy of our benchmarks

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for Courtney. This year, we refined our

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selection criteria to focus on

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municipalities that are more similar in

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size and characteristics to Courtney,

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such as Campbell River, Port Moody,

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mission. This targeted approach allows

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for a more relevant context in

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evaluating Courtney's performance and

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satisfaction levels, ultimately leading

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to more effective planning and resource

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allocation. Through open and transparent

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communication, our goal is to ensure

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that the voices of Courtney residents

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are heard and that their insights

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directly influence our collective

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future. With that in mind, I'm very

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pleased to hand things over uh to well

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for the presentation component to Derek

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Berg, who is the senior marketing

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research manager for P, who will walk us

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through the detailed findings of the

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2025 survey and share his insights and

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implications for our community. Council,

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please note the entirety of the report

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is on uh the presentation deck in the

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event you want to go back to specific

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slides, but Derek will likely be

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focusing on certain slides more than

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others. Um, so if you see us moving

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through some quickly, it's really to

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allow us to go back in the event you

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wanted to have a specific discussion

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about some slides we weren't focusing on

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for this evening. So with that, I'll

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pass it over to Derek.

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» Perfect. Thank you very much for that

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introduction. Uh, yes, as Kate said, I

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am Derek Berg. I'm a senior uh market

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research manager at Prairie Research

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Associates and uh very happy to have uh

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uh conducted this work for the city of

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Courtney um this year and happy to uh go

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into some details about the findings. Uh

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so we'll start off I'll just do a quick

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note on just the the methodology um if

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we go a couple slides forward here. Um

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so we did a similar methodology um of

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what's been done in the past. We did a

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random digit dialing telephone survey of

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residents of the city of Courtney.

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Everyone um had to be at least 18 or

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older to uh participate.

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Um but this is basically the most um

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statistically valid way of uh getting

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respondents to uh complete this type of

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survey. So it's completely random uh

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with 300 residents. Um but what we did

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is implemented quotas to make sure that

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we were um reaching the appropriate

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groups in terms of age and uh gender and

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household income. Uh to make sure that

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uh this population that we were serving

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is uh statistically representative of

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the the city as a whole. And where there

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were some discrepancies uh we waited the

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data to make sure that um once again

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that data is um statistically valid and

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uh reliable.

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So I just skip through a few slides here

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to get to the section on uh quality of

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life.

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Uh so this first is uh top of- mind

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issues. So we started by asking um

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residents of the city of Courtney what

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they thought is the most important issue

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facing their community today. um as it

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has been in past years. We we looked at

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um how to compare this to what we saw in

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uh previous years and homelessness

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continues to be kind of the key the

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first top of mind issue that um that

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comes to residents minds. Um that's

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certainly not unique to the city of

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Courtney. um as it's shown here, it's

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also um when we looked at other um

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resident surveys in comparable m

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municipalities

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um cities like Campbell River, Colona,

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Cranbook, and Mission, um homelessness

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was kind of the the the key uh top of-

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mind issue that uh that came up the most

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often. Um so for city of Courtney

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residents, these concerns witho

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homelessness or at least it being the

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top of- mind issue um with people tends

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to increase with age. Um and although

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not quite in that statistically uh

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significant realm, but um also prevalent

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uh among women more so than men. Um this

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to me it's likely due to a personal

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safety um issue. you have the older

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population or women feeling that, you

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know, maybe it's they're uh it's more

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they're more vulnerable um seeing um you

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know, the homeless population

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um prominent. So um that's kind of our

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what I uh interpret from the data here.

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Um yeah, there you know several other

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issues that like um the lack of

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affordable housing or uh mental health

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issues, traffic, road congestion are

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some of the more top of- mind issues,

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but it it's definitely homelessness that

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is the the key uh top of mind um thing

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for uh city of Courtney residents.

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So moving on to quality of life. Um so

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on a four-point scale here from uh very

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good to very poor residents were asked

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to rate you know how they felt the

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quality of life in city of Courtney is

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um we generally this is fairly similar

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when we look at overall um satisfaction

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and those saying very good or good um

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with quality of life when we compare it

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to last year although you can see there

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is has been a little bit of a drop each

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year over the past couple years. Um, one

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thing that I thought is interesting to

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note here is that it's although the top

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two score kind of goes a little bit

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down, um, you'll see that the those in

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the very good side or then those kind of

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on the poor side. Um, it seems like

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people tend to skew more to the extreme

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in this and you have less of those that

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are kind of just in the middle with

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that. Um but

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yeah, with that said, I I do think it's

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somewhat of a a positive to see that you

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still have um certainly an increase over

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last year and those that feel like the

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quality of life in City of Courtney is

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very good. Um those that are more likely

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to to have those positive perceptions

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are um those who are 65 and older. And

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it's um it's those in the the mid age

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range, 30 to 44 years old, that um are

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least likely to to rate um positively.

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And uh as um Kate had mentioned, we kind

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of took a look at some um comparable m

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municipalities to kind of give some key

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um benchmark comparisons. And in terms

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of quality of life, um when we look at

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the the the good or very good, so the

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top two rating, Courtney falls um kind

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of pretty much in the in the middle of,

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you know, where we um were able to find

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data on comparable um cities. So,

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not uh not on the worst end and not uh

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not really on the on the on the super

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high high end, but yeah, just kind of

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there um in the middle to kind of give

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you some um benchmark context for that.

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When we look at changes in quality of

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life over time, um it's not this isn't a

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uh it's hard to give a direct comparison

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um to the previous years simply because

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we changed this question to um ask just

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about changes over the past year rather

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than changes over the past 3 years. Um

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so for that reason it's not really

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surprising to me that we have um

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basically about half of people staying

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that saying that the they feel like the

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quality of life has stayed the same. Um

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but certainly a lot less that are saying

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you know quality of life has become

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worse over the past year and a bit

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similar even a little bit higher with

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that 8% saying that um the quality of

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life has um has gotten better.

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So to me that's a bit of a a positive

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move in the positive direction.

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Um and then when we look at the net

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promoter score this is definitely where

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we see some some positive movement. um

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in 23 and 24 we saw similar net promoter

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scores of um of -1617

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whereas although we're still in the the

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negative um moving in the positive

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direction up to um -4 and just uh to

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clarify for those don't that don't know

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the net promoter score is um essentially

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taking the calculation of those who rate

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their uh recommendation of city of

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Courtney has a place to live on a scale

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of 0 to 10. You take those um promoters,

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so those saying 9 or 10, and uh that is

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subtracted from the detractors, so those

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rating anywhere from 0 to six. So that's

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what gives you that um that so it's a

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32% minus 36% which gives you that uh

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that negative4. Um, one thing that I'll

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note is, uh, we changed this to a true

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net promoter score, um, metric. Uh, in

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the past, um, this was only rated on a 1

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to 10 scale, although we moved this to

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what is considered the industry

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standard, which is a 0 to 10 scale. Um,

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so you will see obviously there are 11%

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here who said zero where there hadn't

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been any in the previous years because

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that wasn't an option. But despite

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having that one extra option for people

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to rate um their recommendation on the

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lower end, we're actually seeing an

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increase in um in a high number of

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promoters. You jumped up from uh from

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16% up to 25% in those that um rate

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coordinates at 10 out of 10 for

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likelihood to recommend. Um [snorts]

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and uh yeah, just one one note about

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that is again um the older population

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and also home ownership which is kind of

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tied to um to to age as well. They had

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the uh they were more likely to rate um

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City of Courtney as a higher uh more

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likely to rate it higher in terms of um

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how they would recommend it.

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» [snorts]

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» Um, and then so this is just looking at

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um for those that did not give a um a

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positive rating to um recommending the

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city of Courtney as a place to live.

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These are reasons why. Um a lot of these

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are fairly similar to we we tried to

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compare to last year as much as

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possible. So some of these are fairly

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similar. um you'll see a bit uh of an

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increase in high cost of living, which

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again it makes sense and that's not

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exclusive to Courtney. That's that's um

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being experienced everywhere. Um and

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then one thing is that what we didn't

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see from the data last year is people

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saying um that the city is too crowded.

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Um that's 19% of people this year said

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that. So, I don't know if um the the

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research vendor that did this last year

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if if maybe that wasn't a a theme that

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came up uh enough for them to to put it

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into its own code, but um it was

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certainly something that um that we saw

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in the data um this year and and

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certainly it's it's tied with um the uh

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the highest proportion for um for

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reasons not to recommend uh the city of

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Courtney.

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Okay. So, uh now moving on to uh

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satisfaction with city services. Um

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so when we look at the uh top two box

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here, we see 62% are either very

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satisfied or somewhat satisfied um

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overall with the city services. Um but

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to me this is also moving in a more

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positive direction just because you have

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that increase of those who are um or are

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saying they're very satisfied. That two

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top two box like a difference of 4%

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isn't isn't a huge increase. Um so to

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see that that very satisfied number jump

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up a bit more I think is um is more

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telling. And then you have a a bit more

538
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:48,000
it's it's more so with the people who

539
00:22:46,159 --> 00:22:51,360
are moving out of the somewhat satisfied

540
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:54,080
box into kind of that that middle area.

541
00:22:51,360 --> 00:22:56,240
So um you're you're certainly not seeing

542
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:59,720
more negative here. Um but you are

543
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,720
seeing more positive.

544
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:06,559
Um and then so the next slide here just

545
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:09,919
talks uh shows overall satisfaction with

546
00:23:06,559 --> 00:23:13,120
city services um with what we could find

547
00:23:09,919 --> 00:23:14,799
um online with um with other comparable

548
00:23:13,120 --> 00:23:18,880
m municipalities.

549
00:23:14,799 --> 00:23:20,720
Um so this does show that although the

550
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:23,919
the previous slide showed that there

551
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:26,640
were positive sentiments um this might

552
00:23:23,919 --> 00:23:29,120
show that city of Courtney ranks more

553
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:32,480
towards the bottom of this. However, um

554
00:23:29,120 --> 00:23:34,320
the caveat here is that typically when

555
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:35,679
other m municipalities, actually all

556
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:38,640
four of those that are above city of

557
00:23:35,679 --> 00:23:40,960
Courtney here, um they used a fivepoint

558
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:45,840
scale rather or sorry, a four-point

559
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:48,000
scale um to rate um satisfaction versus

560
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:50,640
what we use as a as a fivepoint scale.

561
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:52,559
So, um, those top four, they didn't have

562
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:55,039
the option to kind of go in the in the

563
00:23:52,559 --> 00:23:56,640
middle, forcing them to go either one

564
00:23:55,039 --> 00:24:00,159
direction or or the other in terms of

565
00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:02,799
positive or negative. Um, I would say if

566
00:24:00,159 --> 00:24:05,760
if this if the surveys were be to run

567
00:24:02,799 --> 00:24:07,360
exactly the same, you would tend to have

568
00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:10,080
um a lot of those people who are in the

569
00:24:07,360 --> 00:24:12,240
positive category. Um so typically those

570
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:14,480
who are somewhat satisfied kind of move

571
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:17,760
into that mid category where they're in

572
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:20,720
between um satisfied and dissatisfied.

573
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:22,159
So um again although this this does show

574
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:25,600
City of Courtney is more towards the

575
00:24:22,159 --> 00:24:28,080
bottom. Um to me I I think this shows

576
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:29,919
more that they're it's kind of more in

577
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,840
the middle. Um certainly with Mission

578
00:24:29,919 --> 00:24:34,000
with that 69% you would see that drop

579
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:36,400
down. Um but the other top three there I

580
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:38,799
think would would drop down considerably

581
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:41,279
um with the change in scale and uh and

582
00:24:38,799 --> 00:24:44,400
yeah you'd have city of Courtney ranking

583
00:24:41,279 --> 00:24:46,559
um I would say similar to um what we can

584
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:49,559
see in other uh comparable

585
00:24:46,559 --> 00:24:49,559
municipalities.

586
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:55,520
Okay. And so this is just a quick

587
00:24:52,799 --> 00:24:59,440
snapshot of individual um city services

588
00:24:55,520 --> 00:25:02,000
that we asked about. Um

589
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:04,480
what's was I guess was interesting to me

590
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:07,279
is that although the overall

591
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:09,600
satisfaction we asked when we um you

592
00:25:07,279 --> 00:25:11,279
know prefaced with people rating their

593
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:13,840
just overall satisfaction before getting

594
00:25:11,279 --> 00:25:18,720
into uh kind of the details here people

595
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:21,279
were generally um positive. Yet here um

596
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:23,039
we don't really see any positive

597
00:25:21,279 --> 00:25:25,760
movement compared to last year other

598
00:25:23,039 --> 00:25:29,600
than satisfaction with um parks, green

599
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:32,000
spaces, and multi-use trails. Um others

600
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:36,159
other areas are more either kind of just

601
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:39,120
in line with um with last year or saw a

602
00:25:36,159 --> 00:25:41,279
little bit of a drop. Um and then to me

603
00:25:39,120 --> 00:25:44,159
I think the biggest drop that we see

604
00:25:41,279 --> 00:25:47,679
here is is satisfaction with the

605
00:25:44,159 --> 00:25:53,279
availability of online services. Um to

606
00:25:47,679 --> 00:25:55,039
me this is um is likely due to I mean

607
00:25:53,279 --> 00:25:57,440
we're

608
00:25:55,039 --> 00:26:01,679
uh ever evolving technological world now

609
00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:06,000
and people see how fastpace and changing

610
00:26:01,679 --> 00:26:09,600
um technology is and I think people just

611
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:12,240
expect more from um the availability of

612
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:14,000
online services and being able to access

613
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:16,799
more and to be able to do more with

614
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:18,320
online services. So to me um just in

615
00:26:16,799 --> 00:26:22,080
terms of that being the biggest drop

616
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:25,279
that would be my um my my guess as to

617
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:28,559
why that is. And I think um we also saw

618
00:26:25,279 --> 00:26:32,480
uh with that we saw that um the younger

619
00:26:28,559 --> 00:26:35,760
uh age population were uh less satisfied

620
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:38,760
with um that availability of online um

621
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,760
services.

622
00:26:39,039 --> 00:26:45,360
Okay. And then so now just looking at um

623
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:47,600
a key driver analysis of um overall city

624
00:26:45,360 --> 00:26:50,960
services. Um so what this does we ran a

625
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:55,440
regression model to um basically predict

626
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:57,919
what um are most likely in terms of

627
00:26:55,440 --> 00:27:00,480
those individual city services what is

628
00:26:57,919 --> 00:27:03,679
most likely to predict

629
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:06,720
um the positive overall satisfaction

630
00:27:03,679 --> 00:27:09,360
with city services as a whole. Um so

631
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:11,840
you'll see that uh land use and

632
00:27:09,360 --> 00:27:14,000
community planning um is actually the

633
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:16,000
biggest predictor of overall

634
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:18,559
satisfaction

635
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:21,600
um followed by uh park screen spaces and

636
00:27:18,559 --> 00:27:23,039
multi-use trails. Um so we know that you

637
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:25,360
know park screen spaces, multi-use

638
00:27:23,039 --> 00:27:27,039
trails saw a bit of a a higher

639
00:27:25,360 --> 00:27:28,720
satisfaction this year than last year.

640
00:27:27,039 --> 00:27:31,600
That was ranked second overall in terms

641
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:34,320
of city services. So that's a good sign

642
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:36,320
um in in that regard. And then land use

643
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:39,360
and community planning. To us, this

644
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:40,960
tells us that this is kind of um you

645
00:27:39,360 --> 00:27:43,120
know, if you are looking to hopefully

646
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,480
have people more satisfied with the

647
00:27:43,120 --> 00:27:46,480
service they received from the city,

648
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:50,400
this is kind of one of the ones to focus

649
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:53,039
on. Um I I I can't really say for sure

650
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:55,760
if it's, you know, is it um you know,

651
00:27:53,039 --> 00:27:57,360
how people agree with with um you know,

652
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:59,919
the community planning and the use of

653
00:27:57,360 --> 00:28:01,760
land or is it that they don't

654
00:27:59,919 --> 00:28:03,279
necessarily have um the information

655
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:06,399
available to them to know what's going

656
00:28:03,279 --> 00:28:10,080
on. But um you know certainly this is an

657
00:28:06,399 --> 00:28:11,840
aspect that um could be explored um and

658
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:14,159
certainly just by the evidence we have

659
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:16,799
here shows that um it is a very big

660
00:28:14,159 --> 00:28:19,120
predictor for um how satisfied people

661
00:28:16,799 --> 00:28:22,120
are with the overall services they

662
00:28:19,120 --> 00:28:22,120
receive.

663
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:31,399
So now looking over to um experience and

664
00:28:27,039 --> 00:28:31,399
satisfaction with city staff.

665
00:28:32,159 --> 00:28:38,480
So, uh just under uh half residents, 45%

666
00:28:37,120 --> 00:28:40,720
said that they've personally been in

667
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:43,679
contact with the city um in the past

668
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:46,159
year in some capacity. Um a little bit

669
00:28:43,679 --> 00:28:48,720
higher than what uh has been seen in

670
00:28:46,159 --> 00:28:51,360
previous years, but overall um fairly

671
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:53,919
similar. Um it's those in though in the

672
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:56,480
kind of mid age range, the uh anywhere

673
00:28:53,919 --> 00:28:58,399
from 30 to 64 years old. Those are the

674
00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:00,000
the residents that are more likely to

675
00:28:58,399 --> 00:29:04,159
have contacted the city in the past

676
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:08,520
year. those um under 30 or over 65 less

677
00:29:04,159 --> 00:29:08,520
likely to have done so.

678
00:29:10,159 --> 00:29:15,520
» Um and so uh those who did have

679
00:29:13,679 --> 00:29:17,600
experience with contacting the city in

680
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:21,600
the past year were asked about their

681
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:25,919
overall experience um in in dealing with

682
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:29,279
um city staff. Uh again we see fairly

683
00:29:25,919 --> 00:29:31,200
positive uh movement here. We've in

684
00:29:29,279 --> 00:29:34,000
terms of last year we see movement in

685
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:36,559
both the um top two very satisfied

686
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:39,200
somewhat satisfied group and then uh

687
00:29:36,559 --> 00:29:42,720
quite a big jump in um those who say

688
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:46,360
they are very satisfied um overall with

689
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:46,360
with city staff.

690
00:29:47,679 --> 00:29:52,880
Uh looking at the individual um aspects

691
00:29:51,039 --> 00:29:54,399
we asked about with dealing with city

692
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:59,279
staff.

693
00:29:54,399 --> 00:30:01,840
Um quite a few um positive jumps here.

694
00:29:59,279 --> 00:30:04,080
Um but the I think the the thing that

695
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:06,559
pops out to me are kind of the the two

696
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:10,240
bottom ones here where we see um so

697
00:30:06,559 --> 00:30:12,159
there was a drop in um satisfaction with

698
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,679
being able to easily find the right

699
00:30:12,159 --> 00:30:16,559
staff to deal with their their

700
00:30:13,679 --> 00:30:21,360
questionnaire problem. that dropped from

701
00:30:16,559 --> 00:30:23,200
uh 77% satisfied to 69% this year. Um

702
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:26,399
and then conversely, we saw a pretty big

703
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:28,080
jump in um in satisfaction with staff

704
00:30:26,399 --> 00:30:31,919
going the extra mile to help them. So

705
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:35,120
that's from uh 58% last year up to 70%

706
00:30:31,919 --> 00:30:37,360
this year. Um other aspects kind of

707
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:39,360
fairly in line with uh with what we saw

708
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:42,399
last year. So um those are kind of the

709
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:45,679
big uh the big changes um that we saw

710
00:30:42,399 --> 00:30:49,120
last year. And then as we move forward

711
00:30:45,679 --> 00:30:52,399
uh we'll also see a key driver analysis

712
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:54,480
that uh we conducted um on this as well.

713
00:30:52,399 --> 00:30:57,039
So same idea as the the one before. This

714
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:58,640
is kind of the to predict um what

715
00:30:57,039 --> 00:31:01,120
aspects

716
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:04,080
um are most likely to impact people's

717
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:07,120
overall satisfaction with city staff.

718
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:09,039
Um so this is an interesting one. I

719
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:13,520
unfortunately I don't necessarily know

720
00:31:09,039 --> 00:31:15,200
how you um would define uh this top one

721
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:17,919
where it's you know staff going the

722
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:22,399
extra mile to help them. Um but this is

723
00:31:17,919 --> 00:31:25,039
certainly a um a very strong predictor

724
00:31:22,399 --> 00:31:29,360
of what uh satisfaction overall with

725
00:31:25,039 --> 00:31:31,679
staff is. Um, I think it's um it's one

726
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:34,480
of those tricky ones where it's it's

727
00:31:31,679 --> 00:31:37,840
hard to measure exactly what going the

728
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:40,640
extra mile means to to people who who do

729
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:43,120
get uh you know help from city city

730
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:47,200
staff, but um certainly it's it's those

731
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:48,559
that feel that um that you know they've

732
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:52,000
they've really been heard and really

733
00:31:48,559 --> 00:31:54,320
been helped that um are more likely to

734
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:56,559
uh understandably give an overall uh

735
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:58,799
positive satisfaction rating.

736
00:31:56,559 --> 00:32:02,640
Um, and then that's also followed by

737
00:31:58,799 --> 00:32:05,919
being able to easily find um the right

738
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:10,399
um right staff to uh to answer your

739
00:32:05,919 --> 00:32:13,440
problem. Um, so that's to me that that I

740
00:32:10,399 --> 00:32:15,919
guess that's a more um kind of concrete

741
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:18,159
um aspect that you're able to um put

742
00:32:15,919 --> 00:32:20,960
action towards making sure that um

743
00:32:18,159 --> 00:32:23,519
people have um the information available

744
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:26,080
to them or being able to easily contact

745
00:32:23,519 --> 00:32:27,600
those who can point them in the right um

746
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:30,000
in the right direction. And especially

747
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:33,600
because that's um that was something

748
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:36,240
that was lower end uh lower on the um on

749
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:38,880
the overall scale when uh comparing to

750
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:41,092
the other um aspects that might be

751
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:43,112
something worth uh worth focusing on.

752
00:32:41,092 --> 00:32:43,112
[snorts]

753
00:32:43,679 --> 00:32:49,440
Okay. And then looking at um value for

754
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:51,279
tax dollars. I think this is a a key

755
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:55,279
metric that's asked every year asking

756
00:32:51,279 --> 00:32:58,640
people um you know how would they um you

757
00:32:55,279 --> 00:33:02,640
know how do they feel their um overall

758
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:04,640
value for tax dollars rate. Um again we

759
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:07,279
we see

760
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:09,840
that similar um actually no change in

761
00:33:07,279 --> 00:33:12,240
the top two box with 70% 7 and 10

762
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:14,080
residents um believing that they either

763
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:16,480
get good or very good value for their

764
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:19,679
tax dollars and uh a little bit of a

765
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:21,279
bump up in uh those who are at the uh

766
00:33:19,679 --> 00:33:25,039
the most positive those that say they

767
00:33:21,279 --> 00:33:26,720
get very good value. Um, one key

768
00:33:25,039 --> 00:33:29,039
difference here in demographics is that

769
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:31,600
there is a a very strong correlation

770
00:33:29,039 --> 00:33:35,679
between um, age and their perceptions of

771
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:38,320
tax dollars in that um, the the youngest

772
00:33:35,679 --> 00:33:40,240
group um, 18 to 29 year olds, they're

773
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:42,880
least likely to say they get good value

774
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:45,840
for their tax dollars. Um, well, you

775
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:48,320
keep increasing up in age and uh, more

776
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:50,880
so people feel that they're increasingly

777
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:52,720
more positive about what they receive.

778
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:54,480
And I think that's also that's tied to

779
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,919
uh to home ownership here is you know

780
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:59,600
the older you are the more likely you

781
00:33:55,919 --> 00:34:02,240
are to um to have a home and also feel

782
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:04,480
that you're um you're receiving services

783
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:08,120
that give you good uh good value for

784
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:08,120
your for your money.

785
00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:18,639
Um and then so again this uh we are able

786
00:34:13,599 --> 00:34:21,599
to um find comparable um stats on other

787
00:34:18,639 --> 00:34:24,240
m municipalities. this was on the same

788
00:34:21,599 --> 00:34:26,079
uh four-point scale um across all of

789
00:34:24,240 --> 00:34:29,040
these uh surveys that we were able to

790
00:34:26,079 --> 00:34:30,639
find. So, I think it's um it's a

791
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:33,119
certainly a positive that you see city

792
00:34:30,639 --> 00:34:36,480
of Courtney right up there um near the

793
00:34:33,119 --> 00:34:41,280
top of the list uh given that this is a

794
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:43,679
a directly um direct uh comparison to uh

795
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:47,240
how these other mun municipalities ask

796
00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:47,240
this question. Sorry.

797
00:34:49,919 --> 00:34:57,200
Okay. And then uh here we just have um

798
00:34:53,839 --> 00:35:01,440
sentiments on balancing taxation and

799
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:05,119
service delivery levels. Um so similar

800
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:08,800
to um what we've seen in the past years

801
00:35:05,119 --> 00:35:12,960
is that um not the majority but the most

802
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:17,680
common um uh answer here is to simply

803
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:19,440
say we want taxes to be maintained. um I

804
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:22,000
don't you know I don't necessarily want

805
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:24,240
to uh receive a lot less for my services

806
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:26,000
but I don't want to pay more um for

807
00:35:24,240 --> 00:35:27,599
anything. And then you've got an equal

808
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,520
proportion on either side who say they

809
00:35:27,599 --> 00:35:33,359
either want to see uh an increase to

810
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:35,520
taxes to um to keep up or enhance uh

811
00:35:33,359 --> 00:35:40,320
services versus those that say they want

812
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:44,359
to um to reduce their taxes uh even if

813
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:44,359
it means cutting services.

814
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:53,520
Okay. And then um here we just have some

815
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:58,800
uh quick notes about communication from

816
00:35:53,520 --> 00:36:00,960
the city. Um about uh essentially no

817
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:04,320
difference from um what was recorded

818
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:07,040
last year in that um just over a third

819
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:08,960
of residents feel that they receive uh

820
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,640
too little information from the city

821
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,480
where um just about everyone else says

822
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:14,400
they get the right amount of

823
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:17,040
information.

824
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:21,839
And in terms of what type of information

825
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:23,680
they need from the city uh is um city

826
00:36:21,839 --> 00:36:26,400
planning and development is kind of the

827
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:27,760
the the main thing that um is top of

828
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,920
mind for people in terms of what they

829
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:32,640
want to receive. And I think that goes

830
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:35,119
um you know fits with um when we looked

831
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:37,200
at the the key drivers for overall

832
00:36:35,119 --> 00:36:39,119
satisfaction of city services. there was

833
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:42,000
that land use and and community planning

834
00:36:39,119 --> 00:36:44,960
that was um you know what is seen as the

835
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:46,880
biggest driver of satisfaction. I think

836
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:51,520
this this certainly ties into that in

837
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:53,280
that um people generally want um may

838
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:56,720
want more information about city

839
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:58,400
planning and development um in order to

840
00:36:56,720 --> 00:37:01,599
um you know feel like they understand

841
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:04,920
what's going on or have a say in um in

842
00:37:01,599 --> 00:37:04,920
what's happening.

843
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:09,520
So there so there are a few more slides

844
00:37:08,079 --> 00:37:11,119
though, but just because I don't want to

845
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:14,000
take up uh too much of anyone's time, I

846
00:37:11,119 --> 00:37:16,160
think I hit on um all of the kind of key

847
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:19,200
um points that I wanted to discuss with

848
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:21,680
this. Um I'm happy to answer any

849
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:24,160
questions now. But also on that note, um

850
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:26,079
if there is anything that um comes out

851
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:29,280
of this, other questions that people

852
00:37:26,079 --> 00:37:32,560
have um as they review the report in

853
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:34,160
more detail, um we're we're here and

854
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:38,480
we're uh we're happy to answer any

855
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:40,640
questions uh after the fact as well.

856
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:42,000
» Uh fantastic. Thanks so much for for the

857
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:45,440
presentation and and kind of

858
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:48,800
highlighting th those key uh metrics. Um

859
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:51,359
it it's quite interesting to see how um

860
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,720
you know one uh those numbers play out

861
00:37:51,359 --> 00:37:55,200
for the city of Courtney and then how

862
00:37:52,720 --> 00:37:57,839
they compare with others. Um I guess

863
00:37:55,200 --> 00:38:00,480
it's it's it's a challenge to know what

864
00:37:57,839 --> 00:38:02,000
scale people are using uh community to

865
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:04,720
community. You like you said when you

866
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:07,119
compare it it might be one out of four

867
00:38:04,720 --> 00:38:09,040
uh 0 to 10 like just depending on what

868
00:38:07,119 --> 00:38:11,200
that question is. So um really

869
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:15,680
appreciate some of that insight. Um and

870
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:17,920
I'll pass it over to councelor healing.

871
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:20,400
Thanks, mayor. No questions. Uh just one

872
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:23,599
observation. Uh I think it's quite

873
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:26,480
possible that the decline in uh overall

874
00:38:23,599 --> 00:38:29,599
satisfaction and recommending Courtney's

875
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:32,800
place to live coincides with perceptions

876
00:38:29,599 --> 00:38:35,200
that it's too crowded and um concerns

877
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,880
about traffic. And uh I think we have to

878
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:39,520
bear in mind that for nine months of

879
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:42,720
last year, we had a major traffic snarl.

880
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:45,040
Um, I also noted that the uh uh you were

881
00:38:42,720 --> 00:38:46,800
more likely to be dissatisfied and not

882
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:48,480
recommend the city if you were employed

883
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,240
as opposed to if you weren't employed,

884
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:52,000
which means that it was people who were,

885
00:38:50,240 --> 00:38:53,680
you know, having to drive and get around

886
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,119
the city to get to work and get to where

887
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:57,280
they were going that were less

888
00:38:55,119 --> 00:38:59,520
satisfied. And I think that may have a

889
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:01,599
lot to do with the sewer conveyance

890
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:04,640
project. Uh, but otherwise, there's a

891
00:39:01,599 --> 00:39:07,359
lot to uh to learn uh from the survey.

892
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:09,520
And I certainly have heard from people

893
00:39:07,359 --> 00:39:10,960
that many people think the city's too

894
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:13,040
crowded. They don't particularly like

895
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:17,040
the scale of development and and the

896
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:18,640
congestion in some parts. Uh that uh um

897
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:20,640
it's something that takes some getting

898
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:22,560
used to. Thanks.

899
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,839
» Thanks very much, Councelor Hill and

900
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:26,160
Councelor Moore.

901
00:39:23,839 --> 00:39:28,000
» Yeah, thanks Mayor. Um thanks for it's a

902
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:32,079
lot of work putting this all together.

903
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:34,000
Um I while I appreciated some of the

904
00:39:32,079 --> 00:39:36,720
insights that you offered, I think it's

905
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:38,720
good to recognize that this um this

906
00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:41,839
survey doesn't include narrative

907
00:39:38,720 --> 00:39:45,040
responses. I don't believe um or um

908
00:39:41,839 --> 00:39:47,599
qualitative. So I mean we all have

909
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:50,240
theories and they may be accurate or not

910
00:39:47,599 --> 00:39:52,560
why people answered a certain way. And I

911
00:39:50,240 --> 00:39:55,119
know that we are using the same survey

912
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:56,880
for 5 years I believe. So there's

913
00:39:55,119 --> 00:39:58,480
obviously we don't want to we can't

914
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:00,240
change anything at this point, but

915
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:02,320
perhaps down the road it it may be

916
00:40:00,240 --> 00:40:05,359
useful to have a bit more of that

917
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:07,760
qualitative information to know, you

918
00:40:05,359 --> 00:40:10,640
know, if if [snorts] there's a high

919
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:12,720
percentage in one area, you know, why

920
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:14,960
did that why did that person rate rate

921
00:40:12,720 --> 00:40:18,560
it that way? Because really we don't

922
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:20,880
have the analysis of this data to know

923
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:24,160
um to know the answers to those

924
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:26,320
questions. So we can only speculate and

925
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:29,680
so it does give us a good snapshot but I

926
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:31,920
think um in future years it may be maybe

927
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:34,079
good to dig a little bit deeper. I know

928
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:36,400
that you did gloss over this the

929
00:40:34,079 --> 00:40:39,040
communication the communication piece a

930
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:41,920
bit because it was running a bit long.

931
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:43,839
Um but I think also another important

932
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,839
piece is around how people like to

933
00:40:43,839 --> 00:40:47,119
receive their information and most

934
00:40:45,839 --> 00:40:49,520
people still do get it from the

935
00:40:47,119 --> 00:40:54,160
newspaper whether that's

936
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:57,200
you know paper copy or online and um and

937
00:40:54,160 --> 00:41:01,599
uh so I think you know sometimes there's

938
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:05,359
confusion or criticism around how we we

939
00:41:01,599 --> 00:41:07,119
do have a an online presence um for sure

940
00:41:05,359 --> 00:41:08,720
but and we're we've launched a

941
00:41:07,119 --> 00:41:11,839
newsletter but I think that's important

942
00:41:08,720 --> 00:41:13,760
to know how how people prefer to receive

943
00:41:11,839 --> 00:41:15,280
their information. Thanks.

944
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:17,119
» That's a good point. And I just want to

945
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:20,319
touch on um your first point just about

946
00:41:17,119 --> 00:41:23,599
the um the qualitative aspect. Um and so

947
00:41:20,319 --> 00:41:26,800
the um although with a survey like this,

948
00:41:23,599 --> 00:41:29,760
you're right in that you can't um dive

949
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:32,240
too deep into things um in terms of

950
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:34,079
having people answer um open-ended

951
00:41:32,240 --> 00:41:37,359
questions. There are a few in this like

952
00:41:34,079 --> 00:41:39,440
the um the question that um starts off

953
00:41:37,359 --> 00:41:41,520
with top of- mind issues. Um that's

954
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:45,200
strictly a just an open-ended question

955
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:47,920
for for people to um however answer

956
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:50,160
however uh they want for that. Um, so

957
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:52,240
yeah, there there are a few open-ended

958
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:55,599
questions like that um in this survey

959
00:41:52,240 --> 00:41:59,040
that um when you see kind of those um

960
00:41:55,599 --> 00:42:00,800
those charts that have like a a lot of

961
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:03,280
different response options, typically

962
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:05,119
those are um generally open-ended

963
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:07,760
questions that people just give their

964
00:42:05,119 --> 00:42:12,480
their thoughts. Um and then those are

965
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:14,480
kind of coded into um into data that we

966
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:16,720
can kind of we group them into themes so

967
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:20,400
that you can kind of get a quantitative

968
00:42:16,720 --> 00:42:23,040
metric on um on what those themes are.

969
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:25,200
Um but yes, one of the challenges with

970
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:29,599
getting more qualitative data in a

971
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:33,119
survey like this is um is simply uh the

972
00:42:29,599 --> 00:42:35,040
cost and to be able to um keep people on

973
00:42:33,119 --> 00:42:37,440
the phone. Um, a lot of people don't

974
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:39,040
want to spend uh a ton of time answering

975
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:42,160
a survey that ends up getting long

976
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:43,760
because they keep having to um answer

977
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:47,520
kind of open-ended questions where they

978
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:51,760
have to think on the spot. Um, but yeah,

979
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:54,560
I I agree there's always value in um in

980
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:56,800
digging deeper into some qualitative um

981
00:42:54,560 --> 00:43:00,720
aspects when you use the the

982
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:04,560
quantitative um evidence to um kind of

983
00:43:00,720 --> 00:43:06,079
decide where you need to focus.

984
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:08,000
and uh followup council.

985
00:43:06,079 --> 00:43:09,839
» Yeah, just very quickly. Yeah, I totally

986
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,839
get that piece about the open-ended. I

987
00:43:09,839 --> 00:43:14,880
think my comment was more around the

988
00:43:11,839 --> 00:43:18,800
rationale for for mentioning it in the

989
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:20,880
first place or or um rating the topics

990
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:23,200
like you know what was the reason behind

991
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:25,599
it but but I appreciate that. Thank you.

992
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:27,680
» Right. Yep. Fair.

993
00:43:25,599 --> 00:43:30,400
» Excellent. And Mr. Okonnell

994
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:32,640
» Uh thanks very much. So, um, councelor

995
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:34,079
Moren, you may recall we had that, um,

996
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:36,160
come up when we did the first year of

997
00:43:34,079 --> 00:43:38,160
the survey with the net promoter score,

998
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:40,000
and there was a lot of speculation as to

999
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:42,319
why we scored so low, and we thought,

1000
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:44,079
oh, is it really because people wouldn't

1001
00:43:42,319 --> 00:43:46,079
want to promote the city for negative

1002
00:43:44,079 --> 00:43:48,000
reasons, or was it that we don't want

1003
00:43:46,079 --> 00:43:49,440
any more people coming to the island and

1004
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,760
to Courtney because it's so great, we

1005
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:54,000
want to preserve it that way. Um, so we

1006
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:55,680
added that secondary question in order

1007
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:58,560
to probe a bit deeper to get a bit more

1008
00:43:55,680 --> 00:44:00,880
insight on that. At the same time, um,

1009
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:02,480
council's been very supportive and has

1010
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:04,560
adopted a brand new communication

1011
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:06,640
strategy and an engagement strategy

1012
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:09,040
which is on the verge of completing with

1013
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:11,440
the implementation strategy for that.

1014
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:13,599
And really basically this is the

1015
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:16,079
statistic benchmarking survey and that's

1016
00:44:13,599 --> 00:44:17,760
the purpose of it. whereas this is a

1017
00:44:16,079 --> 00:44:19,760
really good indicator for when we're

1018
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:22,160
doing other forms of engagement on

1019
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:24,960
specific service areas or initiatives or

1020
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:26,800
policy decisions um to probe a little

1021
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:29,680
bit deeper into some of these areas at

1022
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:31,920
that point and also um benefiting from

1023
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:33,520
directly targeting the various user

1024
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:36,319
groups as opposed to something that's a

1025
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:38,000
bit more general. At the same time, um,

1026
00:44:36,319 --> 00:44:40,000
if we have these types of items that

1027
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:42,079
come up and and we we're not seeing any

1028
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:44,480
kind of connection, it's absolutely

1029
00:44:42,079 --> 00:44:46,160
possible to add on secondary questions.

1030
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:47,440
U, it's just a matter of what do we want

1031
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:49,280
to come off, what do we want to put on

1032
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:50,800
or do we want to expand and what are the

1033
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,400
impacts of that. But yes, we have

1034
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:54,480
learned that lesson from the first one

1035
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:56,720
to the third one and uh, we were

1036
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:58,319
surprised at the response. So, it was

1037
00:44:56,720 --> 00:45:01,040
not what we suspected. Thank you for the

1038
00:44:58,319 --> 00:45:05,680
question though. Well, thanks for that

1039
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:07,200
uh that insight and um uh one one um uh

1040
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:09,520
sort of comment I wanted to make is

1041
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:11,280
maybe if we forward went forward a few

1042
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:13,839
slides to the preferred method of

1043
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:17,119
contacting uh the city. I think it's a

1044
00:45:13,839 --> 00:45:21,040
pretty important slide that um actually

1045
00:45:17,119 --> 00:45:22,480
reflects kind of um uh some of the work

1046
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:25,839
that we've done. So, I mean, when we

1047
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:27,599
look at um uh uh the fact that there

1048
00:45:25,839 --> 00:45:30,000
there's a local newspaper, I think there

1049
00:45:27,599 --> 00:45:32,160
may be one more. It might be one more

1050
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:34,400
ahead of this.

1051
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:36,240
Uh that's the one. Yeah. So, when you're

1052
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:38,560
actually contacting the city uh about

1053
00:45:36,240 --> 00:45:41,599
your concerns, um the telephone is

1054
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:45,599
definitely uh high up there. Email uh

1055
00:45:41,599 --> 00:45:48,319
and um uh and then in person. And you

1056
00:45:45,599 --> 00:45:50,640
know, when we look uh the city website's

1057
00:45:48,319 --> 00:45:53,520
relatively, uh far down there for now,

1058
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:55,599
but I hopefully uh with the new website,

1059
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:57,440
um that will become more effective and a

1060
00:45:55,599 --> 00:46:00,240
place for people to go. And and one of

1061
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:01,599
the things uh that I've noticed um and

1062
00:46:00,240 --> 00:46:05,280
I'm not sure if it's just with the new

1063
00:46:01,599 --> 00:46:07,440
website. Um but, uh what what I've seen

1064
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:10,079
when I'm searching for things now is

1065
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:12,160
pretty much every page includes a

1066
00:46:10,079 --> 00:46:13,920
contact on there. And so that's

1067
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:15,520
something that again when we look at

1068
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:18,079
that that question about being able to

1069
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:20,240
find the right person um the fact that

1070
00:46:18,079 --> 00:46:21,920
you know I mean I I have other ways of

1071
00:46:20,240 --> 00:46:24,079
finding the right person but the fact

1072
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:26,800
that I can uh search for something on

1073
00:46:24,079 --> 00:46:28,160
the website get to a page and then if I

1074
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:30,319
want further information there's

1075
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:33,200
actually a a name right there which I I

1076
00:46:30,319 --> 00:46:34,640
found u like one of the things I really

1077
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,480
love about the new website. There's many

1078
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:40,640
things that I like about it, but I think

1079
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:42,960
it really pushes us uh down um uh that

1080
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:44,560
path of, you know, when we look at the

1081
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:47,599
numbers. It'd be really interesting to

1082
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:50,160
see um how these numbers are reflected a

1083
00:46:47,599 --> 00:46:51,599
year from now considering our first uh

1084
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:54,319
newsletter just went out on Monday,

1085
00:46:51,599 --> 00:46:55,920
which again really excited about uh that

1086
00:46:54,319 --> 00:46:58,640
newsletter and getting information out

1087
00:46:55,920 --> 00:47:01,440
to people. And even though it might be

1088
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:04,560
uh at this point not uh a way for people

1089
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:06,880
to uh contact city belt concerns because

1090
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:08,960
we're initiating that contact, people

1091
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:11,280
have that as an actual way to get back

1092
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:12,800
to the city um and prompt them because

1093
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:15,520
sometimes you forget about the things

1094
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:17,599
that annoy you. Um and uh and the fact

1095
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:19,760
that you have the the city contacting

1096
00:47:17,599 --> 00:47:22,319
you on a regular basis with the ability

1097
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:24,720
to reply, I think is great. Um and then

1098
00:47:22,319 --> 00:47:27,040
lastly, I just love the fact that social

1099
00:47:24,720 --> 00:47:28,560
media is so far down on this list. So,

1100
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:32,000
um, again, I think that just really

1101
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:34,400
reinforces, um, decisions made, uh, by

1102
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:37,440
staff and council around, um, our social

1103
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:39,440
media interactions. So, uh, with that,

1104
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:43,280
um, I don't see any further questions or

1105
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:45,680
comments. Um, this is just, uh, for

1106
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:48,160
receipt.

1107
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:50,240
» All right. And I'll receive that on

1108
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:53,200
behalf of council unanimously. Thanks

1109
00:47:50,240 --> 00:47:55,359
very much for the report. Um, and next

1110
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:59,119
we'll move into financial services, the

1111
00:47:55,359 --> 00:48:01,040
2026 2030 financial plan taxation

1112
00:47:59,119 --> 00:48:02,160
scenario, and I'll pass it over to Mr.

1113
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:04,319
Garvin.

1114
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:06,480
» Uh, thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, on the

1115
00:48:04,319 --> 00:48:09,119
staff on our agenda today, beginning on

1116
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:10,960
page 133 of the agenda, is a follow-up

1117
00:48:09,119 --> 00:48:13,440
staff report as a result of the

1118
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:15,359
direction council gave us uh, November

1119
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:18,000
26th and 27th committee the whole

1120
00:48:15,359 --> 00:48:21,599
meetings on our budget. Council was very

1121
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:23,440
specific on uh what some requirements

1122
00:48:21,599 --> 00:48:25,119
were, some information they wanted to

1123
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:26,400
facilitate the creation of our financial

1124
00:48:25,119 --> 00:48:28,480
plan. [gasps]

1125
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:31,200
Uh both our annual financial plan for

1126
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:32,880
2026 and then the uh 5-year financial

1127
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:35,440
plan. Uh Mr. Langmire is our finance

1128
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:36,960
officer, is going to uh give an overview

1129
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:40,559
in response to council direction, and

1130
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:42,559
we're looking for um support to uh carry

1131
00:48:40,559 --> 00:48:48,400
on with the preparation of our financial

1132
00:48:42,559 --> 00:48:48,400
uh plan um in the next uh little while.

1133
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,680
Mr. Lagman.

1134
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:54,800
» Hello, Mayor and Council. Nice to be

1135
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:56,559
here once again. So, as Jeff nicely

1136
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:59,200
alluded, I'm here to talk about the

1137
00:48:56,559 --> 00:49:00,720
financial plan. So, council gave the

1138
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:04,079
following direction back on November

1139
00:49:00,720 --> 00:49:07,520
27th. What I'm filling even on is the

1140
00:49:04,079 --> 00:49:10,880
taxation scenarios at 567%

1141
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:15,559
with options on using 6 to 8.8 8 million

1142
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:15,559
in a minimum surplus balance to be held.

1143
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:19,280
This information is included in the

1144
00:49:17,599 --> 00:49:20,720
report. Now, I was a bit challenged by

1145
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:23,200
fitting all this information onto one

1146
00:49:20,720 --> 00:49:24,720
slide, but it was less informative to

1147
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:28,000
look at if you broke it up. So, what

1148
00:49:24,720 --> 00:49:30,559
we're really seeing is each column is a

1149
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:33,440
year of the financial plan and then each

1150
00:49:30,559 --> 00:49:35,520
horizontal green divider is a percentage

1151
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:36,880
change scenario. So council had

1152
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:39,760
requested what would the scenarios look

1153
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:42,000
like at five, six and 7% and then the

1154
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:44,869
impact of smoothing the taxation change

1155
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:46,480
over the following years.

1156
00:49:44,869 --> 00:49:48,880
[gasps] So doing this analysis, I really

1157
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:50,640
realized that um

1158
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:53,599
if we want to have a very smooth tax

1159
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:56,559
change, we're going to be holding a $6

1160
00:49:53,599 --> 00:50:02,160
million surplus target and require 9%

1161
00:49:56,559 --> 00:50:05,520
tax change for 2026 and 2027.

1162
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:09,680
At the 9% uh change, the impact of the

1163
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:12,240
average home is just shy of $200, $197.

1164
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:14,400
When doing this uh moving on to the next

1165
00:50:12,240 --> 00:50:17,200
slide of using that surplus target of

1166
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:19,839
$8.8 million, it is substantial

1167
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:23,040
substantial impact on the tax change

1168
00:50:19,839 --> 00:50:24,960
scenarios. If we note in the five and

1169
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:28,240
six% change scenarios, those two

1170
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:30,640
highlighted yellow cells, um those years

1171
00:50:28,240 --> 00:50:33,680
we're actually underneath or below our

1172
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:36,960
desired surplus balance. So in addition

1173
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:38,400
to raising taxes to meet our spending

1174
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:40,400
obligations, we're actually raising

1175
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:43,040
taxes to to meet our surplus balance

1176
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:45,119
obligations, too. So this makes it more

1177
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:47,440
challenging that it is not recommended

1178
00:50:45,119 --> 00:50:50,319
to be in these areas holding that $8.8

1179
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:53,119
million surplus balance.

1180
00:50:50,319 --> 00:50:55,599
looking forward to

1181
00:50:53,119 --> 00:50:57,760
a higher change. Holding the higher

1182
00:50:55,599 --> 00:50:59,599
balance makes it more challenging to

1183
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:01,599
have additional funds on hand to smooth

1184
00:50:59,599 --> 00:51:04,599
out the taxation changes in the future

1185
00:51:01,599 --> 00:51:04,599
years.

1186
00:51:04,720 --> 00:51:08,480
One thing I wanted to highlight is the

1187
00:51:06,240 --> 00:51:10,160
change in method of how we determine how

1188
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:12,640
much is the reasonable amount of surplus

1189
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:14,160
to be held. An item that was brought up

1190
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:16,880
is that we shouldn't really be

1191
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:18,480
maintaining general surplus uh for

1192
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:20,400
spending items that we have specific

1193
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:22,800
reserves for. So under the revised

1194
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:24,640
method of a target surplus balance, you

1195
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:27,280
can see that we've removed uh solid

1196
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:30,960
waste, RCMP contract costs, and gaming

1197
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:33,119
expenditures from our total general fund

1198
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:36,880
spending. So it brings the total general

1199
00:51:33,119 --> 00:51:40,079
fund spending from 55.9 million down to

1200
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:42,559
42.2 million. This really drives how

1201
00:51:40,079 --> 00:51:46,000
much cash we should have on hand in the

1202
00:51:42,559 --> 00:51:48,160
event that something occurs. So on the

1203
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:50,640
far right hand side we have the reserved

1204
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:54,480
surplus target balances

1205
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:56,960
and looking at um one of the driving

1206
00:51:54,480 --> 00:52:00,000
factors of how much surplus you have on

1207
00:51:56,960 --> 00:52:02,319
hand. It really comes down to how big is

1208
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:04,480
your organization, what other reserves

1209
00:52:02,319 --> 00:52:08,079
do you have on hand, how often you get

1210
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:10,640
paid and what other funding options are

1211
00:52:08,079 --> 00:52:13,359
out there for you. So this really came

1212
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:16,720
into [snorts] consideration in in my

1213
00:52:13,359 --> 00:52:18,559
recommendation. So in the prior years I

1214
00:52:16,720 --> 00:52:20,400
took a more conservative approach and

1215
00:52:18,559 --> 00:52:21,839
these were coming out of likely

1216
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:24,240
influence from the co years that the

1217
00:52:21,839 --> 00:52:27,440
city should be holding about 20% of

1218
00:52:24,240 --> 00:52:30,960
annual spending on hand. After doing

1219
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:33,440
this analysis looking at literature on

1220
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:35,119
what surplus balance is I have changed

1221
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:38,480
my recommendation to be sitting at that

1222
00:52:35,119 --> 00:52:40,720
15% range. I recognize that the city has

1223
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:43,200
a number of reserves and we have access

1224
00:52:40,720 --> 00:52:46,240
to other sources of funding. So it is

1225
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:50,079
reasonable to use a different target. So

1226
00:52:46,240 --> 00:52:53,119
that brings me to the recommendations.

1227
00:52:50,079 --> 00:52:56,240
So to get future direction on the

1228
00:52:53,119 --> 00:52:58,800
financial plan, one piece that needs to

1229
00:52:56,240 --> 00:53:00,720
come first is where does council want to

1230
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:02,960
hold a surplus balance because that'll

1231
00:53:00,720 --> 00:53:05,280
greatly influence our available surplus

1232
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:08,960
to adjust future tax changes and the

1233
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:12,079
2026 tax change. So I'm recommending we

1234
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:14,240
hold a 15% balance. That's uh $6.3

1235
00:53:12,079 --> 00:53:16,559
million.

1236
00:53:14,240 --> 00:53:18,880
Another piece that flows into this is I

1237
00:53:16,559 --> 00:53:21,119
want to be sure that we're using capital

1238
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:23,920
efficiently. Having cash in the bank is

1239
00:53:21,119 --> 00:53:27,280
not an effic efficient use of capital.

1240
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:30,160
Having though a safety net if a expense

1241
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:33,920
comes on is good

1242
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:37,280
given the recommended surplus balance of

1243
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:41,040
15%. My recommended tax change for 26

1244
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:44,400
and 27 is 9% followed by a 9% change in

1245
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:46,400
2026 or in 2027. Well, this really helps

1246
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:48,800
it. It smooths the tax change over the

1247
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:51,119
two years. It bridges a gap between the

1248
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:54,720
election and provides an incoming

1249
00:53:51,119 --> 00:53:56,880
council one year of relatively stable

1250
00:53:54,720 --> 00:54:02,960
tax change before having to tackle the

1251
00:53:56,880 --> 00:54:04,800
projected 17.3% tax change in 2028.

1252
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:07,280
And my final note though, although the

1253
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:11,680
surplus balance is projected to be below

1254
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:13,760
the $6.3 million target in 27, it is

1255
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:15,440
reasonable that there will be some

1256
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:17,920
variations coming from the completion of

1257
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:20,079
the 2026 year. And that target is a

1258
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:21,920
target.

1259
00:54:20,079 --> 00:54:23,680
And with that, that concludes my

1260
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:26,680
presentation on the subject looking for

1261
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:26,680
direction.

1262
00:54:27,119 --> 00:54:31,440
Excellent. Thanks very much for for the

1263
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:34,880
presentation and and coming back with uh

1264
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:36,319
those requested uh uh scenarios so that

1265
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:38,480
it gives us a little bit more food for

1266
00:54:36,319 --> 00:54:41,359
thought. Um it's much appreciated and

1267
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:44,079
I'll look to council for any comments,

1268
00:54:41,359 --> 00:54:45,760
suggestion and direction.

1269
00:54:44,079 --> 00:54:46,800
Councelor

1270
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:48,559
McCall,

1271
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:52,079
» I'll start with question.

1272
00:54:48,559 --> 00:54:54,640
» Um yeah, I I think this is really well

1273
00:54:52,079 --> 00:54:56,640
laid out and um the rationale makes

1274
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:58,559
sense to me. It's also a good reflection

1275
00:54:56,640 --> 00:55:01,760
of the last discussion that we had

1276
00:54:58,559 --> 00:55:05,040
around this. So, uh, thanks for that.

1277
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:07,599
Uh, the only and this might have been in

1278
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:09,839
the last report, but we are chewing on I

1279
00:55:07,599 --> 00:55:13,119
think more um factors when we had our

1280
00:55:09,839 --> 00:55:15,839
last discussion, but um just the one

1281
00:55:13,119 --> 00:55:18,400
assumption on the new taxation revenue.

1282
00:55:15,839 --> 00:55:20,240
Um, I I assume that that's carried

1283
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:23,200
forward in all five years of the

1284
00:55:20,240 --> 00:55:27,200
financial plan of 250,000

1285
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:29,040
per year. Um, and I'm just wondering, is

1286
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:31,040
that like based on the lowest year we've

1287
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:33,119
had in the last couple years? I I

1288
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:35,359
thought we're averaging quite a bit more

1289
00:55:33,119 --> 00:55:37,200
than that, but I I'm not I'm not

1290
00:55:35,359 --> 00:55:38,720
certain. So, maybe you could just expand

1291
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:41,119
on that a little bit.

1292
00:55:38,720 --> 00:55:42,559
» Yeah. So, in the report, I identify some

1293
00:55:41,119 --> 00:55:45,119
of the assumptions that went into this

1294
00:55:42,559 --> 00:55:48,160
forecast. And the new tax revenue is

1295
00:55:45,119 --> 00:55:51,520
assumed at $250,000 per year across the

1296
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:55,599
five years. This is less than we did in

1297
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:58,319
the prior years. However, 250,000 is the

1298
00:55:55,599 --> 00:56:01,280
is what the 2026

1299
00:55:58,319 --> 00:56:02,880
new tax revenue is pegged at. And so,

1300
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:05,040
you know, looking at what the average

1301
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:06,480
was, we had a couple really big years in

1302
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:09,680
there. And we've had years that have

1303
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:11,680
been close to this 250. So, you know,

1304
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:13,359
when projecting out, I don't want to

1305
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:15,520
take the average just because it's the

1306
00:56:13,359 --> 00:56:18,240
average. I want to take what's happening

1307
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:20,240
today and sort of forecast that forward.

1308
00:56:18,240 --> 00:56:22,160
So, given this, it still there is

1309
00:56:20,240 --> 00:56:24,480
flexibility. you know the the picture

1310
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:26,079
could be better in 27 28 or 29 and then

1311
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:27,839
the taxation scenarios are changing

1312
00:56:26,079 --> 00:56:31,200
slightly.

1313
00:56:27,839 --> 00:56:32,960
» That's helpful. So the 250,000 is the

1314
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:35,520
amount that we're projecting for this

1315
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:37,839
year based on basically what's in the

1316
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:40,799
pipeline of development currently in

1317
00:56:37,839 --> 00:56:43,040
development services. Okay, that sounds

1318
00:56:40,799 --> 00:56:44,160
like a reasonable approach. Thanks for

1319
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:46,079
that.

1320
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:47,839
» Thanks Council McCullum and Mr. Garin.

1321
00:56:46,079 --> 00:56:51,200
» Thank you uh through the mayor. I just

1322
00:56:47,839 --> 00:56:53,520
want to add to Mr. Lang's comments. Um

1323
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:55,359
if we reflect back you over the last

1324
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:58,319
20-year period, we've had some really

1325
00:56:55,359 --> 00:57:01,599
big big swings. And so non-market growth

1326
00:56:58,319 --> 00:57:04,880
is uh especially what we're hearing um

1327
00:57:01,599 --> 00:57:06,400
you know what may be um in the future.

1328
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:08,799
That's also tempered with the fact that

1329
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:10,319
we're also understanding very

1330
00:57:08,799 --> 00:57:12,000
significant growth related to CFP

1331
00:57:10,319 --> 00:57:14,160
Comach. So it's a it's a very difficult

1332
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:15,520
time now to really make that projection.

1333
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:17,200
We just want to be conservative and

1334
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:19,359
council has asked us to be, you know,

1335
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:21,760
kind of conservative in both our revenue

1336
00:57:19,359 --> 00:57:24,319
projections uh as well as our cost

1337
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:26,160
projections. So, at this point, we we're

1338
00:57:24,319 --> 00:57:28,160
saying uh this is a practice you want to

1339
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:30,720
follow.

1340
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:32,720
» Thanks for that. Uh uh and we'll pass

1341
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:35,040
over to councelor.

1342
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:36,400
» Thanks, Mayor. Um

1343
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:38,880
first of all, I'm interested in the

1344
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:40,240
language. We're using the term tax

1345
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:45,200
change. Really, what we're talking about

1346
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:45,200
is a tax increase. Is that correct?

1347
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:53,119
Yeah, that is correct.

1348
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:55,440
» Um I don't know tax change is maybe a

1349
00:57:53,119 --> 00:57:58,160
little more palatable but uh um how do

1350
00:57:55,440 --> 00:58:02,079
we rationalize uh

1351
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:05,839
um a 9% increase uh which is

1352
00:58:02,079 --> 00:58:08,160
significantly above inflation. Um, I

1353
00:58:05,839 --> 00:58:12,799
mean, I know we're a growing city and uh

1354
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:17,920
we obviously have uh uh increased costs

1355
00:58:12,799 --> 00:58:19,599
with that, but um uh you know, we've we

1356
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:21,040
didn't see it reflected in our resident

1357
00:58:19,599 --> 00:58:23,040
survey that was just completed, but

1358
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:27,040
affordability certainly is a concern out

1359
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:28,799
there. And uh um you know, the a 9%

1360
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:30,880
increase is still fairly significant.

1361
00:58:28,799 --> 00:58:34,599
So, I I I'm just interested to hear how

1362
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:34,599
we rationalize that.

1363
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:38,880
you know through through the mayor.

1364
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:42,079
Thank you for the council council's

1365
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:44,480
question. Um the finance plan in front

1366
00:58:42,079 --> 00:58:45,920
of you reflects the strategic priorities

1367
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:48,000
identified with this council as well as

1368
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:50,319
the capital program and so through the

1369
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:52,799
development of this program we ask

1370
00:58:50,319 --> 00:58:55,119
council for direction and that's what's

1371
00:58:52,799 --> 00:58:56,559
the cost to deliver this is now the

1372
00:58:55,119 --> 00:58:58,960
question and we don't and I'm not taking

1373
00:58:56,559 --> 00:59:01,359
it and being glib about what the cost is

1374
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:03,280
to deliver. Mr. Mr. Langmire is uh in

1375
00:59:01,359 --> 00:59:05,760
the last 3 years showed council what the

1376
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:07,520
cost to deliver our services equal how

1377
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:09,200
we have to address the needs of the

1378
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:10,720
community and how to fund our capital

1379
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:13,040
program and that's the majority of these

1380
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:14,480
costs and so council didn't give us

1381
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:16,880
direction to change our level of

1382
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:20,319
service. What council asked us to do was

1383
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:23,280
come forward with a way to utili

1384
00:59:20,319 --> 00:59:25,200
establish a service uh level

1385
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:29,040
make sure that we have adequate reserves

1386
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:31,280
and um to understand what our surplus is

1387
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:32,960
and to smooth our tax over the next 5

1388
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:35,440
years. So this is what's required to do

1389
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:37,280
that. Now there may be a discussion and

1390
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:40,160
direction from council to not do that

1391
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:42,880
but the justification is what's required

1392
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:44,720
to deliver our services and the staff

1393
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:46,480
report that's attached our previous

1394
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:48,799
staff report talked about where we land

1395
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:50,880
in taxation and service delivery amongst

1396
00:59:48,799 --> 00:59:53,839
our comparator communities. Um the

1397
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:56,559
community to our left uh has a higher

1398
00:59:53,839 --> 00:59:59,520
tax rate increase include plus their

1399
00:59:56,559 --> 01:00:02,400
infrastructure levy. the municipality to

1400
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:04,799
our this direction [laughter] has chosen

1401
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:06,480
to change uh their approach for this

1402
01:00:04,799 --> 01:00:08,240
financial year related to reserve

1403
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:10,079
contributions. Uh that's that's a

1404
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:11,359
direction from council. Uh but what's

1405
01:00:10,079 --> 01:00:13,440
been presented in front of you is

1406
01:00:11,359 --> 01:00:16,160
required to deliver our services that

1407
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:17,839
the community is asking for and I

1408
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:20,000
acknowledge that in our previous

1409
01:00:17,839 --> 01:00:23,520
discussions there were a series of tax

1410
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:25,440
rates that were discussed. Um, and then

1411
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:27,839
this tax rates coming back in order to

1412
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:29,760
address what council's last direction

1413
01:00:27,839 --> 01:00:31,040
was. So that's why we're looking for

1414
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:32,400
direction in order to prepare the

1415
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:34,400
financial plan that would come back for

1416
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:36,079
council. So it's not the we're not

1417
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:38,240
preparing the this isn't the financial

1418
01:00:36,079 --> 01:00:40,720
plan as of today, but it's the direction

1419
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:43,440
to create that financial plan. Hopefully

1420
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:45,359
that clarifies.

1421
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:47,081
» Thanks. Thanks, Mr. Garbit. And uh and

1422
01:00:45,359 --> 01:00:48,400
and again there there you know

1423
01:00:47,081 --> 01:00:50,400
[clears throat] are discussions at at

1424
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:52,400
the federal and provincial levels about

1425
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:55,359
uh potential grants and things like that

1426
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:58,079
but again we we can't anticipate what

1427
01:00:55,359 --> 01:01:00,240
those are uh until we actually receive

1428
01:00:58,079 --> 01:01:02,640
them the money's in the bank so to speak

1429
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:04,400
and uh and I mean that that goes I mean

1430
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:06,640
we're going to have discussions around

1431
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:08,079
DCC's as well um you know where the

1432
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:10,160
federal government is saying that you

1433
01:01:08,079 --> 01:01:13,280
know they're going to have them and then

1434
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:14,799
somehow make cities whole uh based on on

1435
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:17,440
that. But again, how how do you make

1436
01:01:14,799 --> 01:01:19,599
those decisions when we're really

1437
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:22,240
waiting for them to to uh provide that

1438
01:01:19,599 --> 01:01:25,520
leadership and uh and move forward uh

1439
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:27,040
one way or the other? Uh Council Fish.

1440
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:29,839
» Yeah, thanks Mayor and thanks for the

1441
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:33,200
report. Um I'm more inclined. I I do

1442
01:01:29,839 --> 01:01:35,440
like the 6.3 uh million balance in our

1443
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:37,520
surplus and I think that's probably

1444
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:40,079
reasonable. Um, but I'm more interested

1445
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:41,920
in seeing something like a six or 7%

1446
01:01:40,079 --> 01:01:44,799
increase. And the reason for that and

1447
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:46,720
not say a 9% increase is it does

1448
01:01:44,799 --> 01:01:48,000
acknowledge,

1449
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:51,440
excuse me, the difficult times that

1450
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:53,760
we're in right now. And it forces um,

1451
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:55,440
you know, the next council to make what

1452
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:58,400
I think are obviously difficult

1453
01:01:55,440 --> 01:02:00,720
decisions, but uh, not to to accept a

1454
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:03,119
year-over-year 9% increase, which I

1455
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:06,720
think uh, would be very difficult to

1456
01:02:03,119 --> 01:02:08,720
swallow. That continued on. So, um,

1457
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:12,160
yeah, I understand that it it looks

1458
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:14,480
smooth, but it's also just kind of

1459
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:16,240
softening the fact that we're we just

1460
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:18,240
keep adding more and more services and

1461
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:21,119
more and more, which they're great

1462
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:22,880
services, but um, you know, with our

1463
01:02:21,119 --> 01:02:24,079
recent economic challenges with

1464
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:25,520
everything that's going on in the world,

1465
01:02:24,079 --> 01:02:28,000
I think it might be just a little bit

1466
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:31,359
rich. So, that's where I'm landing with

1467
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:34,160
this year's budget. Thanks.

1468
01:02:31,359 --> 01:02:36,319
Thanks, Councelor FR and uh councelor

1469
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:39,040
McCull.

1470
01:02:36,319 --> 01:02:43,440
» Yeah, thanks Mayor. Um

1471
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:46,000
I had uh similar thinking around um what

1472
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:49,839
the percentage and how much um surplus

1473
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:53,680
makes sense to utilize. Uh while what's

1474
01:02:49,839 --> 01:02:56,960
in the recommendation um evens out the

1475
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:59,680
tax increase year-to-year um the 6%

1476
01:02:56,960 --> 01:03:02,480
actually looks at what we have over and

1477
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:05,359
above our our surplus target and divides

1478
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:08,720
that amount between two taxation years.

1479
01:03:05,359 --> 01:03:12,319
So we are kind of splitting you know

1480
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:16,880
that that money that additional surplus

1481
01:03:12,319 --> 01:03:18,319
that we have um to reduce taxation and

1482
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:21,599
we could use it to smooth it out

1483
01:03:18,319 --> 01:03:24,000
entirely or or you know so I think you

1484
01:03:21,599 --> 01:03:28,640
know splitting it between this year and

1485
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:30,720
next year is a is a fair approach. Um, I

1486
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:33,039
think

1487
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:36,079
it the the next council that comes in is

1488
01:03:33,039 --> 01:03:39,200
going to see um

1489
01:03:36,079 --> 01:03:41,119
a new fireh hall um coming into play and

1490
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:43,920
there's there's a cost associated with

1491
01:03:41,119 --> 01:03:47,280
that. And you know, essentially what

1492
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:49,680
we're doing is um addressing some of

1493
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:51,680
that by pushing some surplus there. But

1494
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:54,319
you know, you you just can't get around

1495
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:58,000
um bringing a new asset with new

1496
01:03:54,319 --> 01:04:01,599
staffing online without um an impact to

1497
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:04,079
uh what what revenue is required. So,

1498
01:04:01,599 --> 01:04:06,880
um, yeah, we could choose to smooth it

1499
01:04:04,079 --> 01:04:09,280
out now and and take on some of that

1500
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:11,440
cost currently, but, um, it doesn't

1501
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:13,280
really change the fact that, you know,

1502
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:16,160
that service is needed and that

1503
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:19,680
decision's been made and that is the the

1504
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:25,520
cost impact to it. So, um I think it is

1505
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:28,720
a fair approach um to go with the 6% um

1506
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:30,720
and uh yeah, there are likely decisions

1507
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:34,079
that will need to be make made around

1508
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:35,520
maybe other services or or how um that's

1509
01:04:34,079 --> 01:04:38,160
addressed in the years going forward,

1510
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:40,400
but our decision right now is is on this

1511
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:42,960
year's tax. And I I think that's a

1512
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:44,720
responsible approach is um using half of

1513
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:46,799
the excess

1514
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:49,839
um to make things a little easier this

1515
01:04:46,799 --> 01:04:51,920
year. Thanks.

1516
01:04:49,839 --> 01:04:52,880
» Thanks, Councilman Cullum and Council

1517
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:55,039
Warren.

1518
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:57,920
» Great. Thanks, Mayor. Um yeah, I think

1519
01:04:55,039 --> 01:05:01,280
I'm in fair amount of alignment with the

1520
01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:03,680
comments so far. Um I appreciate the

1521
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:05,599
work that's been been done and you've

1522
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:08,960
done what we asked you to do, which is

1523
01:05:05,599 --> 01:05:10,480
great. Um it's always um different when

1524
01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:14,559
you're looking at it all in black and

1525
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:17,440
white, but I know um I question the

1526
01:05:14,559 --> 01:05:21,119
surplus that we were holding um because

1527
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:23,200
it's not very palatable to me for people

1528
01:05:21,119 --> 01:05:25,680
to have an increase in taxes and then

1529
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:28,880
see that we have whacks of money in the

1530
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:31,920
bank because we were under budget or we

1531
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:35,440
got grants or whatever. And the surplus

1532
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:40,079
is, you know, has been consistent. And I

1533
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:44,319
I would like to see us even um holding

1534
01:05:40,079 --> 01:05:49,280
less surplus and staying at the and um

1535
01:05:44,319 --> 01:05:51,680
and looking at a 6% um because I I mean

1536
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:55,440
we know that some of the funding is is

1537
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:57,760
drying up, but then we always seem to

1538
01:05:55,440 --> 01:06:00,960
find or you know be successful with some

1539
01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:02,720
grants. I'm not trying to um do what

1540
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:04,799
Mayor Wells said and count our chickens

1541
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:06,960
before they're hatched, but this is why

1542
01:06:04,799 --> 01:06:12,000
we do end up with surpluses because we

1543
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:14,319
we end up um you know with these with

1544
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:16,880
these extra funds and I think it would

1545
01:06:14,319 --> 01:06:19,520
be better to alleviate the the tax

1546
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:23,039
increase for our citizens and have a

1547
01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:25,599
bunch of money in the bank. Thanks.

1548
01:06:23,039 --> 01:06:27,680
aside from what we need, we need to have

1549
01:06:25,599 --> 01:06:29,359
some, but I just don't think we need it

1550
01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:31,520
to the level that that we've been

1551
01:06:29,359 --> 01:06:33,440
carrying. Thanks.

1552
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:35,280
» Thanks, Councelor Mren. Um, and next

1553
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:36,799
we'll have Councelor Cole Hamilton who's

1554
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:38,799
online, and then we have a couple more

1555
01:06:36,799 --> 01:06:41,200
lights uh back in the room here, but uh

1556
01:06:38,799 --> 01:06:42,960
over to you, Councelor Cole Hamilton.

1557
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:45,599
» Yeah, great. Thanks very much, Mayor. I

1558
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:49,599
think I'm uh having similar thoughts to

1559
01:06:45,599 --> 01:06:53,119
my colleagues. Um I I think that keeping

1560
01:06:49,599 --> 01:06:55,839
sort of uh the $6 million um unallocated

1561
01:06:53,119 --> 01:06:58,160
surplus uh level at least for now while

1562
01:06:55,839 --> 01:07:00,079
we um I know that over the course of the

1563
01:06:58,160 --> 01:07:02,160
next year we're going to get that uh

1564
01:07:00,079 --> 01:07:05,760
reserves and surplus policy that we've

1565
01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:08,319
been thinking about and that will be uh

1566
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:10,400
allow us to have a much clearer sense I

1567
01:07:08,319 --> 01:07:12,640
think uh we or whoever sitting around

1568
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:14,880
this table this time next year of where

1569
01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:17,920
where we stand. I do know that we've

1570
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:19,839
increased our uh reserves considerably

1571
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:22,400
uh over the course of this term through

1572
01:07:19,839 --> 01:07:24,319
things like the SIP the strategic

1573
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:27,359
infrastructure investment program which

1574
01:07:24,319 --> 01:07:29,520
is increased by 1.5% every single year.

1575
01:07:27,359 --> 01:07:32,400
So things that a new council could

1576
01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:34,319
consider are um you know the

1577
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:37,920
implementation of the SIP whether

1578
01:07:34,319 --> 01:07:40,319
there's any cause at any point for um

1579
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:42,400
changing the rate of increase or anyway

1580
01:07:40,319 --> 01:07:44,480
so I think there there are uh places

1581
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:47,039
where a future council can make their

1582
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:49,920
own decisions as to and we'll have more

1583
01:07:47,039 --> 01:07:53,920
information in front of them and as for

1584
01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:56,160
now I'm comfortable with like like my

1585
01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:59,039
colleagues with the um something in the

1586
01:07:56,160 --> 01:08:00,640
six to 7% % range. Uh I'm not sure

1587
01:07:59,039 --> 01:08:03,039
depending on how soon the vote happens

1588
01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:04,880
whether I'll still be here online with

1589
01:08:03,039 --> 01:08:06,799
you at the end of it, but I appreciate

1590
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:09,280
being able to share my perspective and

1591
01:08:06,799 --> 01:08:11,440
I'm glad to see that there seems to be a

1592
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:13,359
fair amount of agreement among council.

1593
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:15,200
This is a a wise balance that we've

1594
01:08:13,359 --> 01:08:17,839
struck here and appreciate staff

1595
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:19,520
generating these uh these scenarios so

1596
01:08:17,839 --> 01:08:25,400
we could we could look them all through

1597
01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:25,400
carefully and um and it leaves a

1598
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:31,600
you know, the numbers we see going

1599
01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:34,319
forward. Um, there are always rough

1600
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:37,120
guesses and they I note that of course

1601
01:08:34,319 --> 01:08:38,799
that no unallocated surplus is included

1602
01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:41,600
in

1603
01:08:38,799 --> 01:08:44,239
them, but we do seem to consistently

1604
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:47,279
have one. So that means that often the

1605
01:08:44,239 --> 01:08:50,159
uh the the scale of a future tax change

1606
01:08:47,279 --> 01:08:52,799
is not as um substantial as it might

1607
01:08:50,159 --> 01:08:55,600
initially seem uh when one's trying to

1608
01:08:52,799 --> 01:08:58,560
predict it say two years out. So, uh,

1609
01:08:55,600 --> 01:09:01,440
long long and short of it, I'm I'm

1610
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:05,600
comfortable with a six to 7% increase,

1611
01:09:01,440 --> 01:09:09,279
uh, over this year. Um, and, uh, keeping

1612
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:11,600
the six the roughly $6 million, um,

1613
01:09:09,279 --> 01:09:13,600
unallocated surplus for now while we,

1614
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:15,520
uh, you know, complete that process of

1615
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:16,640
looking at our reserves. And I know

1616
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:18,880
there are others on council I think

1617
01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:20,880
particularly director mccll have had uh

1618
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:23,920
better data on the way in which we've

1619
01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:26,560
increased uh our reserves over uh over

1620
01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:28,880
time but if if staff were maybe able to

1621
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:31,199
uh answer that as a question like how

1622
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:35,040
our total reserves have increased over

1623
01:09:31,199 --> 01:09:37,120
the course of this council from 2022 to

1624
01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:39,600
uh to the present if that's if those are

1625
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:41,199
figures that they happen to have. So

1626
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:44,159
I'll just pack that question on to the

1627
01:09:41,199 --> 01:09:46,480
end. Thank you.

1628
01:09:44,159 --> 01:09:48,480
Uh, thanks very much, uh, Councelor Cole

1629
01:09:46,480 --> 01:09:50,080
Hamilton, and and we did catch about

1630
01:09:48,480 --> 01:09:51,759
98.9%

1631
01:09:50,080 --> 01:09:53,520
of that. There was a couple little

1632
01:09:51,759 --> 01:09:55,760
hiccups in there, but I think we

1633
01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:57,840
definitely got the the the full gist of

1634
01:09:55,760 --> 01:10:00,400
of your comments, uh, including the

1635
01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:01,679
question in at the end there. Um, and

1636
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:04,560
I'll maybe I'll pass it over to Mr.

1637
01:10:01,679 --> 01:10:07,679
Langmire, um, just so uh, either he can

1638
01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:09,679
clarify or I don't have the information

1639
01:10:07,679 --> 01:10:12,719
on the reserve changes over the last

1640
01:10:09,679 --> 01:10:14,719
four years on hand. Those will come back

1641
01:10:12,719 --> 01:10:18,320
with the reserve policy and it'll give a

1642
01:10:14,719 --> 01:10:20,880
nice clear picture that way.

1643
01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:23,679
» All right. Okay. Thanks for that. And

1644
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:26,320
councelor McCullum.

1645
01:10:23,679 --> 01:10:29,040
» Yeah. Um, and this is something we can

1646
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:32,320
maybe pick up in the next um,

1647
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:34,320
discussion, but um, something that I was

1648
01:10:32,320 --> 01:10:36,400
wondering about and just kind of chewing

1649
01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:40,640
on these um, numbers, especially looking

1650
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:43,679
forward is um, our contribution to the

1651
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:45,840
SIP um, to address our infrastructure

1652
01:10:43,679 --> 01:10:47,760
gap. We've done some really good work on

1653
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:50,480
that in the last couple of years and we

1654
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:53,520
understand what the gap is in our

1655
01:10:50,480 --> 01:10:56,400
reserves and our our obligations to our

1656
01:10:53,520 --> 01:11:00,239
um fixed assets

1657
01:10:56,400 --> 01:11:04,480
and we are increasing that contribution

1658
01:11:00,239 --> 01:11:06,880
by a percentage every financial cycle.

1659
01:11:04,480 --> 01:11:09,120
Um but could you remind me how long it

1660
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:12,480
will take for us to increase that until

1661
01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:14,960
we've um if anyone reme we can again

1662
01:11:12,480 --> 01:11:18,480
pick this up next time but um until that

1663
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:20,560
that gap is kind of met with our our tax

1664
01:11:18,480 --> 01:11:23,120
contributions

1665
01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:25,360
» I believe from the um information was

1666
01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:28,239
about 10 or 11 years was the projection

1667
01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:30,400
at the time.

1668
01:11:28,239 --> 01:11:33,520
» Yeah. Based on what we know now. Yeah.

1669
01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:36,800
Um okay that's great. I I just wanted to

1670
01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:38,719
highlight that that is um you know a

1671
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:42,880
decision that was made. It's it's sound

1672
01:11:38,719 --> 01:11:45,840
financial policy. It's um it's a it's

1673
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:48,880
responsible decision- making, but um

1674
01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:51,120
it's also, you know, ambitious to make

1675
01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:53,760
up that gap that a lot of um

1676
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:56,400
organizations are are basically ignoring

1677
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:58,640
in a 10-year time span. So that is a

1678
01:11:56,400 --> 01:12:00,480
policy decision that future councils

1679
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:03,280
could revisit and and change the

1680
01:12:00,480 --> 01:12:07,199
approach and lengthen that if if that's

1681
01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:08,960
the desire or um you know addressing

1682
01:12:07,199 --> 01:12:11,679
trying to smooth out some of these ups

1683
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:15,120
and downs that that are inevitably in

1684
01:12:11,679 --> 01:12:16,560
front of us. Um yeah so I'll just leave

1685
01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:18,640
it at that. I just wanted to bring that

1686
01:12:16,560 --> 01:12:21,120
into the discussion.

1687
01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:22,000
» Thanks Councelor McCullum and Councelor

1688
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:23,440
Fr.

1689
01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:26,080
» Yeah thanks again mayor. [clears throat]

1690
01:12:23,440 --> 01:12:28,159
Would you accept a motion at this time?

1691
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:30,320
» Um, I don't see anybody getting any more

1692
01:12:28,159 --> 01:12:31,440
clarification. So, yeah.

1693
01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:34,159
» Thanks, Mayor. I'll I'll move that

1694
01:12:31,440 --> 01:12:37,040
council direct staff to prepare the 2026

1695
01:12:34,159 --> 01:12:39,679
to 2030 financial plan using a surplus

1696
01:12:37,040 --> 01:12:41,920
balance target of 15% of the 2025

1697
01:12:39,679 --> 01:12:43,679
general fund budgeted spending,

1698
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:45,600
including tax funded capital and

1699
01:12:43,679 --> 01:12:47,840
excluding expenditures with specific

1700
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:51,600
reserves. And the council directs staff

1701
01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:55,120
to prepare the 2026 to 20 2030 financial

1702
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:58,159
plan using the 6% tax change scenario

1703
01:12:55,120 --> 01:13:02,800
for 2026 and that additional available

1704
01:12:58,159 --> 01:13:05,360
surplus be applied through 2027 to 2030.

1705
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:06,800
» Second.

1706
01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:09,520
» Right. That's been moved and seconded.

1707
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:13,040
Are there any questions or comments on

1708
01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:14,880
the motion on the floor?

1709
01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:16,880
Um, I'll maybe just make make the

1710
01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:18,560
comment that I think I've made uh pretty

1711
01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:21,360
much every year when we've gotten to

1712
01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:24,239
budget time and and that kind of talks

1713
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:26,400
about that bow wave and um the the fact

1714
01:13:24,239 --> 01:13:27,840
that the less we do this year, the the

1715
01:13:26,400 --> 01:13:30,320
more that's going to be next year and

1716
01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:33,760
and I think we've seen that uh time and

1717
01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:37,840
time again and and so um uh again uh

1718
01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:41,199
looking forward to that reserve and um

1719
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:43,040
surplus policy coming back uh to give us

1720
01:13:41,199 --> 01:13:45,199
another tool in the toolbox. So, so

1721
01:13:43,040 --> 01:13:47,040
we're able to really contemplate that

1722
01:13:45,199 --> 01:13:48,719
stuff and and make sure that we're

1723
01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:52,159
leaving things as healthy as possible

1724
01:13:48,719 --> 01:13:55,360
for uh the uh the council after the next

1725
01:13:52,159 --> 01:13:56,640
term. So, um that being said, I still

1726
01:13:55,360 --> 01:13:58,480
don't see any further questions or

1727
01:13:56,640 --> 01:14:00,800
comments. So, I'll call the question.

1728
01:13:58,480 --> 01:14:02,719
All those in favor?

1729
01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:05,679
Any opposed?

1730
01:14:02,719 --> 01:14:08,080
And motion carries.

1731
01:14:05,679 --> 01:14:10,400
Um all right, moving on to lease

1732
01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:13,040
renewals for the Courtney Air Park. U

1733
01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:18,800
lease lots 2 to four commercial hangers

1734
01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:20,960
uh 6.12 and I'll pass it over to um Mr.

1735
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:22,800
Garb

1736
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:24,400
through the mayor. Um Scott Haynesworth

1737
01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:28,880
is going to give an introduction of this

1738
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:31,520
report and it's covering um

1739
01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:33,040
four of the five commercial leases,

1740
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:36,679
sorry, three of the four commercial

1741
01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:36,679
leases at the airport.

1742
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:40,480
» Thank you, Jeff. uh through the city

1743
01:14:38,640 --> 01:14:41,920
manager, mayor and councel. Uh this

1744
01:14:40,480 --> 01:14:43,920
report is before you to consider the

1745
01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:45,679
renewal of three existing ground leases

1746
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:48,000
at the Courtney Air Park, specifically

1747
01:14:45,679 --> 01:14:52,159
lease lots 2, three, and four, all of

1748
01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:54,560
which expired on December 31st, 2025.

1749
01:14:52,159 --> 01:14:56,640
The leases relate to existing commercial

1750
01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:59,360
hangers and aviation uses that are

1751
01:14:56,640 --> 01:15:01,120
already uh established on site. In each

1752
01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:02,640
case, the tenant owns the building

1753
01:15:01,120 --> 01:15:04,719
improvements and is requesting to

1754
01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:07,520
exercise the first renewal term provided

1755
01:15:04,719 --> 01:15:08,960
under the original lease agreements. The

1756
01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:11,920
proposed renewals are for a further

1757
01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:14,719
5-year term from January 1st, 2026, uh,

1758
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:16,560
running until December 31st, 2030 with

1759
01:15:14,719 --> 01:15:18,320
two additional 5-year renewal options

1760
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:19,920
remaining, each subject to council

1761
01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:21,679
approval.

1762
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:23,920
An independent fair market rental

1763
01:15:21,679 --> 01:15:26,480
appraisal was completed in November 2025

1764
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:28,480
to support the renewals. The appraisal

1765
01:15:26,480 --> 01:15:30,640
confirms that the proposed rents meet or

1766
01:15:28,480 --> 01:15:33,199
exceed minimum market benchmarks based

1767
01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:36,000
on existing zoning, land use controls,

1768
01:15:33,199 --> 01:15:38,560
and aviation related use restrictions

1769
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:40,400
included in the leases.

1770
01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:42,239
Annual rents will continue to escalate

1771
01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:43,280
at 4 and a.5% consistent with the

1772
01:15:42,239 --> 01:15:44,719
structure in the original lease

1773
01:15:43,280 --> 01:15:46,400
agreements. I'll also note that the

1774
01:15:44,719 --> 01:15:50,080
proposed lease rates are approximately

1775
01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:51,679
45% higher than the 2025 lease rates. A

1776
01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:53,040
notice that this position was issued in

1777
01:15:51,679 --> 01:15:55,440
accordance with the community charter

1778
01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:56,719
and no public feedback was received. Uh

1779
01:15:55,440 --> 01:15:58,320
staff are therefore recommending

1780
01:15:56,719 --> 01:16:00,159
approval of the lease renewals as

1781
01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:02,800
presented. Be happy to take any

1782
01:16:00,159 --> 01:16:05,120
questions.

1783
01:16:02,800 --> 01:16:09,000
Right. Thanks very much uh for that. Are

1784
01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:09,000
there any questions or comments?

1785
01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:12,400
Right.

1786
01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:14,080
» Any questions, comments on the

1787
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:17,600
recommendations on the floor? Seeing

1788
01:16:14,080 --> 01:16:21,040
none. All those in favor? Any opposed?

1789
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:21,040
And motion carries.

1790
01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:25,280
and we'll move on to operational

1791
01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:29,040
services CBRD water south extension

1792
01:16:25,280 --> 01:16:30,880
project uh project approval and pass it

1793
01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:32,320
over to Mr. Garvin again.

1794
01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:35,280
» Thank you through the mayor and council.

1795
01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:37,520
It's a really important uh uh project

1796
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:40,000
where we're sharing in infrastructure

1797
01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:43,840
with both CVRD

1798
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:45,360
uh and Komox First Nation Council um

1799
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:48,560
confirmed the partnership on this

1800
01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:51,440
project uh with a public statement uh in

1801
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:53,120
a past council meeting and Mr. Shaw is

1802
01:16:51,440 --> 01:16:55,600
going to give an overview and we have

1803
01:16:53,120 --> 01:16:57,520
staff from the CVRD have joined us uh as

1804
01:16:55,600 --> 01:16:59,199
partners in this project. Over to you

1805
01:16:57,520 --> 01:17:01,120
Mr. Shaw.

1806
01:16:59,199 --> 01:17:02,480
» Thank you Mr. Garbot. Uh good evening

1807
01:17:01,120 --> 01:17:04,719
through the mayor to council. I'm

1808
01:17:02,480 --> 01:17:06,400
pleased to present the water south

1809
01:17:04,719 --> 01:17:08,239
extension project project approval

1810
01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:10,159
report. Really a cover report for the

1811
01:17:08,239 --> 01:17:12,320
bylaws that the CBRD has submitted on

1812
01:17:10,159 --> 01:17:14,800
behalf of the service. Uh and before I

1813
01:17:12,320 --> 01:17:16,400
begin as Mr. Garin articulated uh we I'd

1814
01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:17,760
like to acknowledge and introduce u a

1815
01:17:16,400 --> 01:17:19,440
few members from the Comox Valley

1816
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:22,239
Regional District who played a critical

1817
01:17:19,440 --> 01:17:24,000
role in developing this initiative. So

1818
01:17:22,239 --> 01:17:25,360
please join me in welcoming Mr. Charlie

1819
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:27,520
Gore the senior manager of capital

1820
01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:29,199
project delivery. Uh Jake Martins the

1821
01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:31,120
general manager of corporate services.

1822
01:17:29,199 --> 01:17:32,640
um their expertise and collaboration has

1823
01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:35,520
been instrumental in bringing this

1824
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:37,120
project to its current stage and I'm

1825
01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:38,640
glad to see them here today to support

1826
01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:40,719
the discussion. So if council has any

1827
01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:43,199
questions for them feel free to ask. Um

1828
01:17:40,719 --> 01:17:45,440
but just briefly uh the water south

1829
01:17:43,199 --> 01:17:47,280
extension project is a transformative

1830
01:17:45,440 --> 01:17:49,199
regional infrastructure project led by

1831
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:51,920
the Komox Valley Regional District in

1832
01:17:49,199 --> 01:17:54,320
partnership with Komox First Nation and

1833
01:17:51,920 --> 01:17:56,000
the Royston water local service area

1834
01:17:54,320 --> 01:17:58,000
with the participant being the city of

1835
01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:59,760
Kourtney. Uh the project itself will

1836
01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:01,840
extend water transmission infrastructure

1837
01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:04,960
south of Courtney supporting treaty

1838
01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:06,960
lands uh Royston uh key growth areas in

1839
01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:08,880
South Courtney and this investment is

1840
01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:11,600
foundational to the city's long-term

1841
01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:13,840
growth strategy ensuring reliable water

1842
01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:15,760
services for our future both for

1843
01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:18,000
development and as well as aligning with

1844
01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:20,320
the city's water master plan for future

1845
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:22,719
growth. Uh governance for this project

1846
01:18:20,320 --> 01:18:24,960
is anchored in two CBRD bylaws that are

1847
01:18:22,719 --> 01:18:28,880
here for you today. both bylaw number

1848
01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:30,960
897, the establishment bylaw, and 898,

1849
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:32,480
the loan authorization bylaw, which are

1850
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:35,520
both here in front of council for

1851
01:18:32,480 --> 01:18:37,840
council consent. Um, council support

1852
01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:39,840
today will enable the timely delivery

1853
01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:41,440
deliver sorry, delivery and advancement

1854
01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:44,159
of the strategic initiative in this

1855
01:18:41,440 --> 01:18:46,159
project as the project aims to support a

1856
01:18:44,159 --> 01:18:48,640
sustainable development, economic

1857
01:18:46,159 --> 01:18:51,679
growth, and regional collaboration while

1858
01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:54,080
positioning the city for future success.

1859
01:18:51,679 --> 01:18:56,159
In terms of timelines and next steps, uh

1860
01:18:54,080 --> 01:18:58,880
timely consent is essential for the

1861
01:18:56,159 --> 01:19:00,800
project to move forward. Uh continue and

1862
01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:02,960
maintain momentum for the project and

1863
01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:05,280
meet grant funding deadlines. So key

1864
01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:08,800
milestones are obviously consent of the

1865
01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:10,640
bylaws today in January. post consent.

1866
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:11,840
Uh the province uh the submissions to

1867
01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:13,679
the province for the bylaws for

1868
01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:15,440
adoptions will be in March or March at

1869
01:19:13,679 --> 01:19:17,760
the latest with tendering and

1870
01:19:15,440 --> 01:19:19,760
construction phases through the fall of

1871
01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:22,159
2026 and construction till the end of

1872
01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:24,400
March of 2028.

1873
01:19:22,159 --> 01:19:26,000
So the recommendation before you today

1874
01:19:24,400 --> 01:19:27,840
is to staff recommend that council

1875
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:31,920
consent to support the bylaws, both

1876
01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:33,679
bylaw number 897 and bylaw 898, and

1877
01:19:31,920 --> 01:19:35,199
authorize the city manager to finalize

1878
01:19:33,679 --> 01:19:37,360
and execute the project agreement

1879
01:19:35,199 --> 01:19:39,679
between the city and the CVRD and direct

1880
01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:42,000
staff to take all necessary steps to

1881
01:19:39,679 --> 01:19:44,000
advance this initiative. With that, I'm

1882
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:45,840
happy to take any questions.

1883
01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:48,000
» Excellent. Thanks very much for that.

1884
01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:51,600
And looking to council if there's any

1885
01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:54,719
questions or comments. Um,

1886
01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:57,600
council mak.

1887
01:19:54,719 --> 01:20:00,320
» Yeah, the thanks for the report. I It's

1888
01:19:57,600 --> 01:20:02,080
good news um seeing this move ahead. I

1889
01:20:00,320 --> 01:20:05,120
It's very important project for our

1890
01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:07,440
region. Um,

1891
01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:09,679
one question I had just um in the

1892
01:20:07,440 --> 01:20:13,679
financial implications section of the

1893
01:20:09,679 --> 01:20:15,120
report. Um when we've uh reviewed this

1894
01:20:13,679 --> 01:20:17,360
project in the past, we've kind of

1895
01:20:15,120 --> 01:20:21,760
talked about um you know the city's

1896
01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:23,920
benefit um how we are aortioning um our

1897
01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:27,920
financial commitment

1898
01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:33,040
and um but something that we haven't

1899
01:20:27,920 --> 01:20:37,679
discussed is um like how how that how

1900
01:20:33,040 --> 01:20:40,719
those funds are being collected and um

1901
01:20:37,679 --> 01:20:43,040
I I guess my assumption had And a big

1902
01:20:40,719 --> 01:20:44,880
portion of this would be through DCC's

1903
01:20:43,040 --> 01:20:48,239
um because it's my understanding that

1904
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:50,400
the main driver for this is to support

1905
01:20:48,239 --> 01:20:53,360
new development.

1906
01:20:50,400 --> 01:20:56,000
And um in reading this it it says that

1907
01:20:53,360 --> 01:20:58,080
75% of this cost will be allocated to

1908
01:20:56,000 --> 01:20:59,679
residential customers. I I'm assuming

1909
01:20:58,080 --> 01:21:02,080
the other 25 is just simply

1910
01:20:59,679 --> 01:21:05,760
non-residential, but there's no

1911
01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:08,239
indication of exactly um how like the

1912
01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:11,840
source of these funds. Is this um a

1913
01:21:08,239 --> 01:21:14,960
straight addition to uh the water

1914
01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:17,440
service requisition or are there DCC's

1915
01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:19,199
um coming in to fund this or um just

1916
01:21:17,440 --> 01:21:21,120
some better information there would be

1917
01:21:19,199 --> 01:21:22,080
helpful.

1918
01:21:21,120 --> 01:21:23,520
» Yeah, thank you for that through the

1919
01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:25,760
mayor to councelor McCullum. Fair

1920
01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:27,199
question. Um ran some very preliminary

1921
01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:28,719
numbers. You'll see that the cost

1922
01:21:27,199 --> 01:21:31,199
estimates are based on a 20-year

1923
01:21:28,719 --> 01:21:33,679
amortization with a 5% over the customer

1924
01:21:31,199 --> 01:21:36,960
base that exists today. No dcc

1925
01:21:33,679 --> 01:21:39,440
considerations for that. um and it it

1926
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:41,199
would be attributed to the water fee and

1927
01:21:39,440 --> 01:21:42,480
then requisitioned by the CVR through

1928
01:21:41,199 --> 01:21:43,920
the city. So the city would collect

1929
01:21:42,480 --> 01:21:45,440
through fees and charges and then

1930
01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:47,600
requisition the amount for debt

1931
01:21:45,440 --> 01:21:50,719
servicing back to the CVRD over the

1932
01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:53,360
amortization period that was selected.

1933
01:21:50,719 --> 01:21:55,360
So,

1934
01:21:53,360 --> 01:21:56,800
so in terms of that additional cost

1935
01:21:55,360 --> 01:21:59,040
because that's basically an additional

1936
01:21:56,800 --> 01:22:01,840
cost to all the households in the ser

1937
01:21:59,040 --> 01:22:04,960
like in the city of Courtney um to

1938
01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:08,239
receive or to support this project. And

1939
01:22:04,960 --> 01:22:10,480
what is the benefit then to um existing

1940
01:22:08,239 --> 01:22:12,960
users for that additional fee? I think

1941
01:22:10,480 --> 01:22:14,960
that's important for us to understand.

1942
01:22:12,960 --> 01:22:17,040
» That's a great question. So uh the

1943
01:22:14,960 --> 01:22:18,719
transmission project in and of itself um

1944
01:22:17,040 --> 01:22:21,520
transverses uh through the Ardan

1945
01:22:18,719 --> 01:22:22,719
corridor uh and across um the Ministry

1946
01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:24,560
of Jurisdiction all the way to the

1947
01:22:22,719 --> 01:22:26,159
boundary past the ridge development.

1948
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:28,400
There's a number of tie-in connection

1949
01:22:26,159 --> 01:22:31,199
points within the city and the existing

1950
01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:32,960
zone. So the 87 meter zone on the West

1951
01:22:31,199 --> 01:22:35,199
Courtney side which services a large

1952
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:37,280
vast majority of our customer base would

1953
01:22:35,199 --> 01:22:38,639
see a fire suppression enhancement

1954
01:22:37,280 --> 01:22:40,400
opportunity through its connection to

1955
01:22:38,639 --> 01:22:43,040
the CVRD main at that particular

1956
01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:46,000
location as well as disconnecting some

1957
01:22:43,040 --> 01:22:49,280
of the existing customers that rely on

1958
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:51,679
um other systems that the CVRD support.

1959
01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:53,280
uh so local service areas or the Marsden

1960
01:22:51,679 --> 01:22:55,280
zone, disconnect those and put them back

1961
01:22:53,280 --> 01:22:57,440
onto the 87. So they'd be truly serviced

1962
01:22:55,280 --> 01:22:59,440
through the city's infrastructure as

1963
01:22:57,440 --> 01:23:02,880
well as providing secondary support for

1964
01:22:59,440 --> 01:23:04,320
fire and water um to the uh ridge

1965
01:23:02,880 --> 01:23:06,560
subdivision which is currently through

1966
01:23:04,320 --> 01:23:08,239
the temporary booster station. So that

1967
01:23:06,560 --> 01:23:10,239
would provide a singular secondary

1968
01:23:08,239 --> 01:23:12,560
source and primary flow to that existing

1969
01:23:10,239 --> 01:23:14,320
area as well as introduce water an

1970
01:23:12,560 --> 01:23:16,080
opportunity for water at a higher

1971
01:23:14,320 --> 01:23:18,000
velocity and fire flow for the Christy

1972
01:23:16,080 --> 01:23:19,440
Parkway which already uh exists within

1973
01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:21,040
our community. So there's a number of

1974
01:23:19,440 --> 01:23:22,639
connection points and a number of

1975
01:23:21,040 --> 01:23:24,800
benefits to the existing community, but

1976
01:23:22,639 --> 01:23:26,800
also provides the opportunity for the

1977
01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:28,560
continuation of growth within those

1978
01:23:26,800 --> 01:23:30,719
areas that otherwise would be limited

1979
01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:32,400
without

1980
01:23:30,719 --> 01:23:35,040
» That's that's really helpful. Thanks.

1981
01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:37,520
And so just for clarity, 75% of the cost

1982
01:23:35,040 --> 01:23:40,159
is residential and the rest is business

1983
01:23:37,520 --> 01:23:41,280
and industry. Is that is that what the

1984
01:23:40,159 --> 01:23:42,960
implication is?

1985
01:23:41,280 --> 01:23:45,280
» Sorry. Yes. Correct. Yeah. The breakdown

1986
01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:47,920
currently is roughly between 75 just

1987
01:23:45,280 --> 01:23:49,520
over 75% residential to ICI in terms of

1988
01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:51,840
the makeup and so that's what I used to

1989
01:23:49,520 --> 01:23:53,440
build to build the foundation of of this

1990
01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:55,280
cost estimate.

1991
01:23:53,440 --> 01:23:57,440
» Thank you.

1992
01:23:55,280 --> 01:23:58,400
» Thanks councelor McCullum and councelor

1993
01:23:57,440 --> 01:24:01,600
Fr.

1994
01:23:58,400 --> 01:24:04,080
» Yeah, thanks again mayor. Um and in my

1995
01:24:01,600 --> 01:24:06,159
recollection of this project I thought

1996
01:24:04,080 --> 01:24:07,840
there was an opportunity for an active

1997
01:24:06,159 --> 01:24:11,120
transportation corridor but maybe you

1998
01:24:07,840 --> 01:24:12,719
can uh just bring me up to speed. Is the

1999
01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:15,199
transmission line is that going to be

2000
01:24:12,719 --> 01:24:17,360
like fully publicly owned property or is

2001
01:24:15,199 --> 01:24:18,880
is there some other scenario for that

2002
01:24:17,360 --> 01:24:21,280
and is there an opportunity for an

2003
01:24:18,880 --> 01:24:22,560
active transportation corridor along it?

2004
01:24:21,280 --> 01:24:24,159
It's a great question. Thank you to the

2005
01:24:22,560 --> 01:24:25,760
mayor. It's councelor Frish. Um so it

2006
01:24:24,159 --> 01:24:27,280
has been contemplated as a part of this

2007
01:24:25,760 --> 01:24:29,199
project as it runs through the Ardan

2008
01:24:27,280 --> 01:24:31,360
corridor and through the Komox uh

2009
01:24:29,199 --> 01:24:33,840
logging road where practicable and

2010
01:24:31,360 --> 01:24:35,760
ability within the corridor um

2011
01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:37,600
cross-section there's an allowance for

2012
01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:39,199
the road to be constructed in such a way

2013
01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:40,960
that would support active transportation

2014
01:24:39,199 --> 01:24:43,120
or shoulder widening for future

2015
01:24:40,960 --> 01:24:45,199
consideration of active transportation.

2016
01:24:43,120 --> 01:24:47,840
We're seeking to work with the CBRD to

2017
01:24:45,199 --> 01:24:50,239
have those pieces um built into the

2018
01:24:47,840 --> 01:24:52,800
overall delivery of the project. Um, so

2019
01:24:50,239 --> 01:24:54,719
it's not necessarily of a built to a

2020
01:24:52,800 --> 01:24:56,800
completeness, but built it to a place

2021
01:24:54,719 --> 01:24:58,960
where the corridor is then restored to a

2022
01:24:56,800 --> 01:25:00,400
means which would provide the city the

2023
01:24:58,960 --> 01:25:02,159
opportunity to build the active

2024
01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:04,800
transportation corridor uh throughout

2025
01:25:02,159 --> 01:25:07,280
its entirety. As we move past some of

2026
01:25:04,800 --> 01:25:08,880
the undeveloped lands that are beyond um

2027
01:25:07,280 --> 01:25:10,880
the ridge development, as this

2028
01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:12,800
transmission ma main continues on,

2029
01:25:10,880 --> 01:25:14,800
there'll be some clearing and removal of

2030
01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:16,560
materials in order to facilitate the

2031
01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:18,320
installation. And so where again

2032
01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:20,000
practical and opportunity exists for

2033
01:25:18,320 --> 01:25:22,800
active transportation to continue along

2034
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:25,040
that corridor. Uh the reconstruction of

2035
01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:27,280
the the the earthworks in that area will

2036
01:25:25,040 --> 01:25:30,000
be to suit that of actual transportation

2037
01:25:27,280 --> 01:25:31,920
or a multi-use path under the parameters

2038
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:33,679
of our existing SDS bylaw.

2039
01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:35,520
» Right. And and the logging the logging

2040
01:25:33,679 --> 01:25:37,120
road that it's using is that is that the

2041
01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:38,800
really old one that's just beyond the

2042
01:25:37,120 --> 01:25:40,639
connector that connects the ridge.

2043
01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:41,840
Right. That the one that's expensive to

2044
01:25:40,639 --> 01:25:42,159
fix and we haven't done

2045
01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:43,840
» Yeah.

2046
01:25:42,159 --> 01:25:45,280
» Yeah. That's the one. Okay. So, that's

2047
01:25:43,840 --> 01:25:49,040
going to be expensive no matter what.

2048
01:25:45,280 --> 01:25:51,040
Um, and then does it cross the um the

2049
01:25:49,040 --> 01:25:52,880
river? I'm I'm totally lost on the name

2050
01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:54,800
of the river. You know the one I mean,

2051
01:25:52,880 --> 01:25:57,360
thank you. The Trent is actually what I

2052
01:25:54,800 --> 01:25:58,159
was thinking. Does it cross Trent?

2053
01:25:57,360 --> 01:26:00,800
» Uh, yes.

2054
01:25:58,159 --> 01:26:03,040
» Yeah. How does it cross the Trent?

2055
01:26:00,800 --> 01:26:05,199
» It'll be in the road crosssection. Okay.

2056
01:26:03,040 --> 01:26:08,199
» Y thanks. Thanks for the

2057
01:26:05,199 --> 01:26:08,199
» Sure.

2058
01:26:09,120 --> 01:26:12,159
recommendations.

2059
01:26:10,719 --> 01:26:14,320
» All right. It's been moved and seconded.

2060
01:26:12,159 --> 01:26:17,199
Any further questions or comments?

2061
01:26:14,320 --> 01:26:20,320
Seeing none, all those in favor? Any

2062
01:26:17,199 --> 01:26:24,239
opposed? And motion carries.

2063
01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:27,440
We'll move into um 6.2.2 solid waste

2064
01:26:24,239 --> 01:26:30,560
contamination uh update. And I'll pass

2065
01:26:27,440 --> 01:26:33,040
it over to

2066
01:26:30,560 --> 01:26:38,600
Chris Thompson. [clears throat]

2067
01:26:33,040 --> 01:26:38,600
Mr. Thompson. Oh, you need the clicker.

2068
01:26:39,520 --> 01:26:44,560
» Oh, and Mr. Garvis got a comment. Yeah,

2069
01:26:41,679 --> 01:26:47,040
thanks. Um, thank you, Mayor Council.

2070
01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:49,440
Uh, we received an update um, from the

2071
01:26:47,040 --> 01:26:50,960
solidway staff at the region. Uh, we

2072
01:26:49,440 --> 01:26:53,040
have a good partnership working towards

2073
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:55,679
there and I asked operational services

2074
01:26:53,040 --> 01:26:57,920
staff to uh, give uh, council a little

2075
01:26:55,679 --> 01:27:01,280
bit more information. Uh, the launch of

2076
01:26:57,920 --> 01:27:02,880
our uh, cart program, organics diversion

2077
01:27:01,280 --> 01:27:04,239
and recycling has gone really really

2078
01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:06,000
well. And I think it's really important

2079
01:27:04,239 --> 01:27:08,960
for council to understand uh how

2080
01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:10,880
effective this program's been uh as it's

2081
01:27:08,960 --> 01:27:13,280
um you know it's a it's a huge component

2082
01:27:10,880 --> 01:27:16,880
of uh work that happened under council's

2083
01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:18,719
direction uh last year. So thanks Mr.

2084
01:27:16,880 --> 01:27:20,800
Thompson.

2085
01:27:18,719 --> 01:27:24,960
» Thank you the CEO to the mayor and

2086
01:27:20,800 --> 01:27:27,920
council. Um appreciate the preamble. Um

2087
01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:30,480
yeah so in October uh staff from KMAC

2088
01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:32,080
Strath Kona Waste Management um

2089
01:27:30,480 --> 01:27:35,199
presented this solid waste management

2090
01:27:32,080 --> 01:27:37,199
plan update. This plan updates the or

2091
01:27:35,199 --> 01:27:40,320
outlines long-term strategies for

2092
01:27:37,199 --> 01:27:42,400
garbage, recycling, and organics. Uh,

2093
01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:44,080
and it update or it outlines several

2094
01:27:42,400 --> 01:27:46,159
strategies to focus on waste reduction

2095
01:27:44,080 --> 01:27:48,719
and diversion, including supporting

2096
01:27:46,159 --> 01:27:50,320
multif family waste separation, reducing

2097
01:27:48,719 --> 01:27:53,760
industrial and construction waste, and

2098
01:27:50,320 --> 01:27:55,840
equalizing access to services. Uh, a

2099
01:27:53,760 --> 01:27:58,239
significant portion of the solid waste

2100
01:27:55,840 --> 01:28:00,400
management plan is a waste composition

2101
01:27:58,239 --> 01:28:03,600
study, which takes samples of waste from

2102
01:28:00,400 --> 01:28:05,120
different communities. um and provides

2103
01:28:03,600 --> 01:28:06,800
insights into the components as a

2104
01:28:05,120 --> 01:28:09,040
snapshot in time. So it's like a waste

2105
01:28:06,800 --> 01:28:10,480
audit. This report and presentation

2106
01:28:09,040 --> 01:28:12,000
reviews the perform the city's

2107
01:28:10,480 --> 01:28:16,560
performance in comparison to other

2108
01:28:12,000 --> 01:28:19,920
municipalities in the uh CSWM service.

2109
01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:21,840
So uh I believe this is this chart's

2110
01:28:19,920 --> 01:28:23,600
been shown before and it really

2111
01:28:21,840 --> 01:28:27,679
highlights some of the successes of the

2112
01:28:23,600 --> 01:28:29,280
automated uh transition. So in 2024

2113
01:28:27,679 --> 01:28:31,600
along with automated we switched to

2114
01:28:29,280 --> 01:28:35,280
bi-weekly garbage collection and we saw

2115
01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:39,199
38% reduction in garbage tonnage and a

2116
01:28:35,280 --> 01:28:42,239
49% increase in organics tonnage. Uh so

2117
01:28:39,199 --> 01:28:44,560
the the ratio of organics tonnage to

2118
01:28:42,239 --> 01:28:46,159
garbage is 2.17

2119
01:28:44,560 --> 01:28:48,960
which makes the city of Courtney a

2120
01:28:46,159 --> 01:28:51,440
regional leader in in diverting waste

2121
01:28:48,960 --> 01:28:53,600
away from the landfill uh specifically

2122
01:28:51,440 --> 01:28:56,719
through the curbside collection service.

2123
01:28:53,600 --> 01:28:57,840
So, uh, we've actually met our, uh, if

2124
01:28:56,719 --> 01:28:59,120
you just look at that curbside

2125
01:28:57,840 --> 01:29:01,520
collection service, we've met our

2126
01:28:59,120 --> 01:29:04,880
obligation, uh, to to to meet that

2127
01:29:01,520 --> 01:29:08,880
provincial target of, uh, 350 kg per

2128
01:29:04,880 --> 01:29:11,040
person annually. Uh, the 2025 numbers

2129
01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:14,080
for tonnage are in, they've arrived and

2130
01:29:11,040 --> 01:29:16,239
we are on the same pace as 2024. So, it

2131
01:29:14,080 --> 01:29:18,080
wasn't just a novelty of uh, the

2132
01:29:16,239 --> 01:29:20,239
automated collection. That's that's

2133
01:29:18,080 --> 01:29:22,560
truly what uh, our residents are doing.

2134
01:29:20,239 --> 01:29:24,639
So, that's fantastic.

2135
01:29:22,560 --> 01:29:27,600
Um this chart here is from the waste

2136
01:29:24,639 --> 01:29:30,400
composition study and in the sample that

2137
01:29:27,600 --> 01:29:33,280
was collected courtney garbage contains

2138
01:29:30,400 --> 01:29:34,960
20% compostable organics. So that was

2139
01:29:33,280 --> 01:29:37,760
one of the numbers that the staff member

2140
01:29:34,960 --> 01:29:39,360
from the CSWN reported. Uh this is

2141
01:29:37,760 --> 01:29:43,360
significant and provides an area of

2142
01:29:39,360 --> 01:29:45,520
focus for staff to reduce uh to reduce

2143
01:29:43,360 --> 01:29:47,440
in 2026 through education about the

2144
01:29:45,520 --> 01:29:49,360
organics diversion potential. It's

2145
01:29:47,440 --> 01:29:53,280
important to compare us to other

2146
01:29:49,360 --> 01:29:55,840
municipalities. So Komox is at 19%.

2147
01:29:53,280 --> 01:29:58,320
Campbell River is actually at 35% and

2148
01:29:55,840 --> 01:30:01,120
let's say they're pre-automated. So

2149
01:29:58,320 --> 01:30:03,920
that's coming uh in 2026, I believe. And

2150
01:30:01,120 --> 01:30:05,679
Cumberland's at 24%. So we're actually

2151
01:30:03,920 --> 01:30:07,760
we're not doing too bad when we compare

2152
01:30:05,679 --> 01:30:09,520
ourselves. Um however, there is an

2153
01:30:07,760 --> 01:30:12,000
opportunity for targeted reduction

2154
01:30:09,520 --> 01:30:15,199
programs.

2155
01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:17,840
And then uh organic contamination. Um

2156
01:30:15,199 --> 01:30:19,760
the number that was presented was that

2157
01:30:17,840 --> 01:30:23,360
the city's edging towards a 3%

2158
01:30:19,760 --> 01:30:26,400
contamination rate in organics. So 97%

2159
01:30:23,360 --> 01:30:29,120
of the uh organics is actually good

2160
01:30:26,400 --> 01:30:30,880
compostable material. However, there is

2161
01:30:29,120 --> 01:30:34,080
2.63%

2162
01:30:30,880 --> 01:30:36,000
that's plastic um and other part you

2163
01:30:34,080 --> 01:30:38,159
know other components um that make up

2164
01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:40,239
contamination. Uh when we compare

2165
01:30:38,159 --> 01:30:43,360
ourselves to other municipalities uh

2166
01:30:40,239 --> 01:30:44,880
Komox is at 2.2% 2%. Camel river is at

2167
01:30:43,360 --> 01:30:47,440
0.19%

2168
01:30:44,880 --> 01:30:49,199
and Cumberland's at 0.52%.

2169
01:30:47,440 --> 01:30:50,960
However, these these latter two, Camel

2170
01:30:49,199 --> 01:30:53,440
River and Cumberland, they're still in

2171
01:30:50,960 --> 01:30:55,920
the manual collection. So, uh there is

2172
01:30:53,440 --> 01:30:57,679
that sort of oversight at the curb uh to

2173
01:30:55,920 --> 01:31:00,560
prevent that contamination from getting

2174
01:30:57,679 --> 01:31:02,800
into the into the trucks. The provincial

2175
01:31:00,560 --> 01:31:05,440
benchmark is around 2 to 5%. So, we're

2176
01:31:02,800 --> 01:31:07,520
we're doing not too bad. However, uh we

2177
01:31:05,440 --> 01:31:11,920
do want to reduce that that plastic

2178
01:31:07,520 --> 01:31:14,320
going into those automated carts.

2179
01:31:11,920 --> 01:31:15,840
And uh finally, recycling contamination.

2180
01:31:14,320 --> 01:31:19,360
So periodically throughout the year,

2181
01:31:15,840 --> 01:31:21,440
Recycle BC uh does audits themselves on

2182
01:31:19,360 --> 01:31:22,800
our recycling waste delivered to their

2183
01:31:21,440 --> 01:31:25,920
sorting facility from the city of

2184
01:31:22,800 --> 01:31:27,920
Courtney. Um and they they really

2185
01:31:25,920 --> 01:31:30,800
analyze it. So there's two

2186
01:31:27,920 --> 01:31:33,040
classifications. Um, one is called not

2187
01:31:30,800 --> 01:31:37,840
accepted material and that's highlighted

2188
01:31:33,040 --> 01:31:40,639
in the it's sort of a gray uh gray uh

2189
01:31:37,840 --> 01:31:42,960
area of that uh line chart there and

2190
01:31:40,639 --> 01:31:46,159
that's anything that's not accepted uh

2191
01:31:42,960 --> 01:31:47,600
for recycling by recycle recycle BC but

2192
01:31:46,159 --> 01:31:49,440
it might be accepted through another

2193
01:31:47,600 --> 01:31:54,000
program or a donation program. So this

2194
01:31:49,440 --> 01:31:56,159
includes books um clothing hazardous

2195
01:31:54,000 --> 01:31:59,040
materials scrap metal as well as garbage

2196
01:31:56,159 --> 01:32:00,800
and organics. So um the other category

2197
01:31:59,040 --> 01:32:04,000
is called incompatible material and

2198
01:32:00,800 --> 01:32:06,639
that's all that non-accepted material

2199
01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:10,080
plus depot recyclables like glass foam

2200
01:32:06,639 --> 01:32:12,400
and and flexible plastics as well as

2201
01:32:10,080 --> 01:32:14,560
nested material. So if you if you get

2202
01:32:12,400 --> 01:32:16,159
home and you you throw that take out the

2203
01:32:14,560 --> 01:32:19,199
takeout cups inside the takeout bag

2204
01:32:16,159 --> 01:32:21,520
without sorting it out that's considered

2205
01:32:19,199 --> 01:32:23,120
incompatible as well as recyclable that

2206
01:32:21,520 --> 01:32:27,600
recyclables that have res too much

2207
01:32:23,120 --> 01:32:30,480
residue to be recycled. So um normally

2208
01:32:27,600 --> 01:32:32,400
um we are at around 5% uh not accepted

2209
01:32:30,480 --> 01:32:33,760
materials. We're actually seeing a

2210
01:32:32,400 --> 01:32:36,480
downward trend right now which is

2211
01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:40,159
excellent. Um however if we do start to

2212
01:32:36,480 --> 01:32:43,120
to to go above that 5% level we we uh

2213
01:32:40,159 --> 01:32:46,000
will be under the eye of

2214
01:32:43,120 --> 01:32:47,600
recycle BC and we could see fines start

2215
01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:50,560
to add up. They can actually find us up

2216
01:32:47,600 --> 01:32:52,560
to $90,000 a year um if they start to

2217
01:32:50,560 --> 01:32:54,239
see above 5% contamination. So, we

2218
01:32:52,560 --> 01:32:55,840
really want to keep an eye on that and

2219
01:32:54,239 --> 01:33:00,159
we do that through the Courtney Collects

2220
01:32:55,840 --> 01:33:01,760
app, pushing out um campaigns. We we are

2221
01:33:00,159 --> 01:33:03,840
constantly updating the waste wizards.

2222
01:33:01,760 --> 01:33:06,159
So, what goes where in the recycling bin

2223
01:33:03,840 --> 01:33:08,159
as well as community outreach. So, one

2224
01:33:06,159 --> 01:33:10,080
issue that we we have been having is

2225
01:33:08,159 --> 01:33:11,760
that our contractor has limitations in

2226
01:33:10,080 --> 01:33:14,639
their contamination management tools

2227
01:33:11,760 --> 01:33:16,880
that are prescribed in the the contract.

2228
01:33:14,639 --> 01:33:19,440
Uh and we're we're working with them

2229
01:33:16,880 --> 01:33:21,520
through um in in our automated

2230
01:33:19,440 --> 01:33:23,280
collection system. So, just to highlight

2231
01:33:21,520 --> 01:33:25,679
that there's been some technology and

2232
01:33:23,280 --> 01:33:27,600
contractor challenges. The the contract

2233
01:33:25,679 --> 01:33:29,840
does specify the use of contamination

2234
01:33:27,600 --> 01:33:31,520
management tools, including the uh

2235
01:33:29,840 --> 01:33:34,080
including location location based

2236
01:33:31,520 --> 01:33:36,159
photographs um showing evidence that

2237
01:33:34,080 --> 01:33:39,199
there's contamination and that links to

2238
01:33:36,159 --> 01:33:41,679
the carts um which is a link to the

2239
01:33:39,199 --> 01:33:42,960
addressing. Um but it is important to

2240
01:33:41,679 --> 01:33:45,120
note that contamination of both

2241
01:33:42,960 --> 01:33:47,440
recycling or and organics has been

2242
01:33:45,120 --> 01:33:48,960
relatively low. However, should

2243
01:33:47,440 --> 01:33:50,880
increases occur, the city will be

2244
01:33:48,960 --> 01:33:54,000
hampered by the contractor's

2245
01:33:50,880 --> 01:33:57,760
limitations. Um,

2246
01:33:54,000 --> 01:33:59,440
so to bring this to a close, I will um

2247
01:33:57,760 --> 01:34:01,199
the staff recommendation here is to

2248
01:33:59,440 --> 01:34:04,159
receive the solid waste man uh

2249
01:34:01,199 --> 01:34:06,239
contamination management 2026 briefing

2250
01:34:04,159 --> 01:34:07,440
note.

2251
01:34:06,239 --> 01:34:09,120
» Thank you very much.

2252
01:34:07,440 --> 01:34:12,080
» Excellent. Thank Thanks very much. and

2253
01:34:09,120 --> 01:34:13,520
and maybe just uh um since the last sort

2254
01:34:12,080 --> 01:34:16,239
of the last part that you talked about

2255
01:34:13,520 --> 01:34:17,760
was was the actual ability and I believe

2256
01:34:16,239 --> 01:34:19,120
it's like camera systems and that kind

2257
01:34:17,760 --> 01:34:21,520
of stuff to be able to actually see

2258
01:34:19,120 --> 01:34:24,000
what's going in so it can be uh detected

2259
01:34:21,520 --> 01:34:26,080
right away. Um and and you know works

2260
01:34:24,000 --> 01:34:28,880
are underway. I mean I think the

2261
01:34:26,080 --> 01:34:31,199
expectation was is with this these new

2262
01:34:28,880 --> 01:34:33,280
uh trucks that uh basically that would

2263
01:34:31,199 --> 01:34:35,280
just kind of be stock um and that

2264
01:34:33,280 --> 01:34:37,600
obviously that hasn't been the way. So,

2265
01:34:35,280 --> 01:34:40,880
do we have uh any idea of like an ETA of

2266
01:34:37,600 --> 01:34:43,040
when um those systems will be uh

2267
01:34:40,880 --> 01:34:44,719
basically online so that we can benefit

2268
01:34:43,040 --> 01:34:47,600
from them? And then maybe you talked

2269
01:34:44,719 --> 01:34:49,840
about a maximum $90,000. Is that

2270
01:34:47,600 --> 01:34:53,360
something that could potentially like

2271
01:34:49,840 --> 01:34:55,360
the the haulers can help with that

2272
01:34:53,360 --> 01:34:57,120
considering we're we're kind of beholden

2273
01:34:55,360 --> 01:35:01,360
to their system?

2274
01:34:57,120 --> 01:35:03,840
» Um yes, Mr. Mayor. Um the so the two

2275
01:35:01,360 --> 01:35:06,320
parts of that question. Uh yes, there's

2276
01:35:03,840 --> 01:35:08,560
a possibility that uh those uh fines

2277
01:35:06,320 --> 01:35:11,120
could be flowing through to the

2278
01:35:08,560 --> 01:35:14,800
contractor. Um we're investigating

2279
01:35:11,120 --> 01:35:16,560
investigating that um possibility. Um to

2280
01:35:14,800 --> 01:35:18,320
the first part of your question, uh

2281
01:35:16,560 --> 01:35:19,600
their operational staff on the island

2282
01:35:18,320 --> 01:35:22,560
here have reached out to me actually

2283
01:35:19,600 --> 01:35:24,800
this week um with some very positive

2284
01:35:22,560 --> 01:35:27,120
news that the cameras are installed and

2285
01:35:24,800 --> 01:35:29,679
they hope to have a couple weeks of

2286
01:35:27,120 --> 01:35:31,440
data, you know, from the new year on um

2287
01:35:29,679 --> 01:35:32,800
available this week. So, I'm really

2288
01:35:31,440 --> 01:35:34,639
looking forward to that and we'll be

2289
01:35:32,800 --> 01:35:35,440
sharing that as information becomes

2290
01:35:34,639 --> 01:35:37,219
available.

2291
01:35:35,440 --> 01:35:38,639
» Awesome. Uh really appreciate

2292
01:35:37,219 --> 01:35:40,320
[clears throat] the update on that. Uh

2293
01:35:38,639 --> 01:35:41,679
and councelor FR.

2294
01:35:40,320 --> 01:35:43,840
» Yeah, thanks Meredith. Thanks for the

2295
01:35:41,679 --> 01:35:46,159
presentation. Um Chris, I wonder if you

2296
01:35:43,840 --> 01:35:48,000
could just off the top of your head give

2297
01:35:46,159 --> 01:35:50,159
a list of organic contaminants that

2298
01:35:48,000 --> 01:35:52,080
you're seeing, you know, that 3% what

2299
01:35:50,159 --> 01:35:53,120
kind of things we're talking about. I'm

2300
01:35:52,080 --> 01:35:54,560
going to [snorts] assume some sort of

2301
01:35:53,120 --> 01:35:57,120
plastic bag that people think is

2302
01:35:54,560 --> 01:35:58,639
recyclable, but you know what else?

2303
01:35:57,120 --> 01:36:01,600
Um,

2304
01:35:58,639 --> 01:36:03,760
yeah. So, um, it's it's plastics. Uh,

2305
01:36:01,600 --> 01:36:06,719
it's, uh, when you clean up your yard,

2306
01:36:03,760 --> 01:36:09,199
it's flip-flops, dog tennis balls. Um,

2307
01:36:06,719 --> 01:36:11,840
we're seeing things like painted picket

2308
01:36:09,199 --> 01:36:14,000
fences. Um, and unfortunately sometimes

2309
01:36:11,840 --> 01:36:16,880
diapers, things like that. Um, one of

2310
01:36:14,000 --> 01:36:19,040
the challenges is, uh, as we go over the

2311
01:36:16,880 --> 01:36:22,080
over the Christmas break, uh, we have

2312
01:36:19,040 --> 01:36:24,320
three stat holidays, so we're all

2313
01:36:22,080 --> 01:36:26,400
stretched in our garbage capacity. And

2314
01:36:24,320 --> 01:36:28,080
so sometimes people um you know it's a

2315
01:36:26,400 --> 01:36:29,840
hard time so they throw their garbage in

2316
01:36:28,080 --> 01:36:31,840
the organics and then we see a spike is

2317
01:36:29,840 --> 01:36:33,679
just in garbage. So

2318
01:36:31,840 --> 01:36:34,400
» Uh it doesn't take much for 3% to add

2319
01:36:33,679 --> 01:36:35,840
up.

2320
01:36:34,400 --> 01:36:38,880
» Yeah. And then when it comes to the

2321
01:36:35,840 --> 01:36:40,320
recycling um improvements that we want

2322
01:36:38,880 --> 01:36:42,560
to see and that that's in the mainstream

2323
01:36:40,320 --> 01:36:44,320
that we pick up obviously what sort of

2324
01:36:42,560 --> 01:36:46,320
stuff are we seeing in there? Like if

2325
01:36:44,320 --> 01:36:48,320
you just top three things that end up in

2326
01:36:46,320 --> 01:36:51,199
the recycling that really shouldn't.

2327
01:36:48,320 --> 01:36:53,840
» Yeah. So um recycling contamination is

2328
01:36:51,199 --> 01:36:56,719
reported by t by weight. So, uh, when

2329
01:36:53,840 --> 01:36:58,159
you when you go to recycle those

2330
01:36:56,719 --> 01:37:00,320
encyclopedias, you know, the

2331
01:36:58,159 --> 01:37:02,480
Encyclopedia Bratannica, that throws us

2332
01:37:00,320 --> 01:37:04,560
off almost for an entire quarter. So,

2333
01:37:02,480 --> 01:37:08,320
we're really encouraging people pay

2334
01:37:04,560 --> 01:37:09,679
attention. Um, books, hardbound books,

2335
01:37:08,320 --> 01:37:11,760
paperback books, unfortunately, are not

2336
01:37:09,679 --> 01:37:13,600
recyclable, but they are donatable. So,

2337
01:37:11,760 --> 01:37:14,960
that's one of our I would say that's our

2338
01:37:13,600 --> 01:37:16,560
biggest challenge.

2339
01:37:14,960 --> 01:37:18,719
» And I wonder if it's worth a social

2340
01:37:16,560 --> 01:37:20,560
media post about these kind of two items

2341
01:37:18,719 --> 01:37:21,920
that were I don't know if people maybe

2342
01:37:20,560 --> 01:37:24,880
just don't know about it. And if they

2343
01:37:21,920 --> 01:37:25,840
did, it might be a different story. So I

2344
01:37:24,880 --> 01:37:27,440
don't know if it's a question or

2345
01:37:25,840 --> 01:37:30,239
comment, but I'll leave it with you.

2346
01:37:27,440 --> 01:37:30,800
» Yep. We absolutely it's a great idea.

2347
01:37:30,239 --> 01:37:31,840
Thank you.

2348
01:37:30,800 --> 01:37:33,119
» Yeah. Thanks.

2349
01:37:31,840 --> 01:37:35,679
» Excellent. Yeah. And if we know that

2350
01:37:33,119 --> 01:37:37,040
there is that sort of increase of

2351
01:37:35,679 --> 01:37:38,480
contamination over the Christmas

2352
01:37:37,040 --> 01:37:40,719
holidays and maybe there's an

2353
01:37:38,480 --> 01:37:44,159
opportunity obviously in a newsletter

2354
01:37:40,719 --> 01:37:46,800
story uh uh but also uh again social

2355
01:37:44,159 --> 01:37:49,199
media etc. And we have you know Rotary

2356
01:37:46,800 --> 01:37:50,639
clubs doing book sales all the time. Um,

2357
01:37:49,199 --> 01:37:52,159
so there's there's definitely probably

2358
01:37:50,639 --> 01:37:55,119
some partnerships as well that could

2359
01:37:52,159 --> 01:37:57,600
happen um along with that. So, uh,

2360
01:37:55,119 --> 01:37:59,280
thanks Councelor Fish and Council Ward.

2361
01:37:57,600 --> 01:38:01,280
» Yeah, thanks Mayor. Um, yeah, I just

2362
01:37:59,280 --> 01:38:04,400
wanted to bring up a point that we heard

2363
01:38:01,280 --> 01:38:06,239
at our waste management the the the KO

2364
01:38:04,400 --> 01:38:08,159
stress Kona waste management meeting and

2365
01:38:06,239 --> 01:38:12,000
that was around the the stickers on

2366
01:38:08,159 --> 01:38:15,199
fruit and how they they get through and

2367
01:38:12,000 --> 01:38:18,080
just to remind people that those are not

2368
01:38:15,199 --> 01:38:19,600
um compostable. Um, and it would be a

2369
01:38:18,080 --> 01:38:21,520
great little invention for someone to

2370
01:38:19,600 --> 01:38:23,600
come up with something that was because

2371
01:38:21,520 --> 01:38:27,520
uh there's probably a lot of fruit

2372
01:38:23,600 --> 01:38:29,280
stickers going into the organics.

2373
01:38:27,520 --> 01:38:30,480
» Thanks for that, Council Warren and

2374
01:38:29,280 --> 01:38:32,000
Councelor Fishan.

2375
01:38:30,480 --> 01:38:34,239
» Yeah. Well, I just had a I just had a

2376
01:38:32,000 --> 01:38:36,400
thought about books. Um, is the problem

2377
01:38:34,239 --> 01:38:38,000
with books that there's no funding for

2378
01:38:36,400 --> 01:38:40,159
recycling them or is the problem the

2379
01:38:38,000 --> 01:38:42,480
material itself? And uh what I'm

2380
01:38:40,159 --> 01:38:44,800
thinking is if someone took a p a hard a

2381
01:38:42,480 --> 01:38:46,719
hardback paper book or whatever and tore

2382
01:38:44,800 --> 01:38:48,880
it apart, you know, are the pages

2383
01:38:46,719 --> 01:38:52,000
recyclable?

2384
01:38:48,880 --> 01:38:53,119
» Um I I believe that might be the case. I

2385
01:38:52,000 --> 01:38:54,880
don't want to really go on the record

2386
01:38:53,119 --> 01:38:56,239
saying if you took a band saw to it and

2387
01:38:54,880 --> 01:38:58,239
tore everything apart.

2388
01:38:56,239 --> 01:39:01,760
» Yeah. Yeah. Well, then we won't get into

2389
01:38:58,239 --> 01:39:04,320
it, but just came to mind. Thanks.

2390
01:39:01,760 --> 01:39:08,560
» Thanks, K. [clears throat]

2391
01:39:04,320 --> 01:39:11,679
» All right. Um, and we'll um uh receive

2392
01:39:08,560 --> 01:39:14,480
this unanimously by by council and move

2393
01:39:11,679 --> 01:39:16,800
on to uh Komox Valley Regional District

2394
01:39:14,480 --> 01:39:19,760
request for consent for adopting bylaw

2395
01:39:16,800 --> 01:39:25,400
number 900, Komox Valley Economic

2396
01:39:19,760 --> 01:39:25,400
Development Service Conversion bylaw 345

2397
01:39:29,440 --> 01:39:32,480
and so

2398
01:39:32,358 --> 01:39:34,880
[clears throat]

2399
01:39:32,480 --> 01:39:36,560
» Oh, Mr. Garb. No, thank you. Uh through

2400
01:39:34,880 --> 01:39:40,400
the the mayor to council. There's no

2401
01:39:36,560 --> 01:39:43,360
presentation. Uh the the uh bylaws uh on

2402
01:39:40,400 --> 01:39:45,920
the agenda. It's been um it's a

2403
01:39:43,360 --> 01:39:48,400
technical change to address uh the

2404
01:39:45,920 --> 01:39:50,880
purpose of the the [clears throat]

2405
01:39:48,400 --> 01:39:54,719
function. Um we've been uh getting

2406
01:39:50,880 --> 01:39:56,960
regular updates from uh service provider

2407
01:39:54,719 --> 01:40:01,199
on this item and uh we don't have any uh

2408
01:39:56,960 --> 01:40:02,800
anything to add to this uh and uh in

2409
01:40:01,199 --> 01:40:06,080
accordance with our participation in the

2410
01:40:02,800 --> 01:40:10,280
service uh consenting is applicable

2411
01:40:06,080 --> 01:40:10,280
should council take that direction.

2412
01:40:10,800 --> 01:40:14,960
» All right and yeah so basically

2413
01:40:12,719 --> 01:40:16,480
housekeeping item uh thanks for that.

2414
01:40:14,960 --> 01:40:18,639
It's been moved and seconded. Any

2415
01:40:16,480 --> 01:40:20,800
further questions or comments? See none.

2416
01:40:18,639 --> 01:40:24,400
All those in favor?

2417
01:40:20,800 --> 01:40:25,600
Any opposed? And motion carries. Um, and

2418
01:40:24,400 --> 01:40:27,760
we'll move on to the Comox Valley

2419
01:40:25,600 --> 01:40:30,080
Regional District uh, Komox Valley Sewer

2420
01:40:27,760 --> 01:40:32,480
Conveyance Project Water Supply to

2421
01:40:30,080 --> 01:40:33,600
Courtney Pump Station. And I'll pass it

2422
01:40:32,480 --> 01:40:35,360
over to Mr. Garbid as well.

2423
01:40:33,600 --> 01:40:36,719
» Yeah, thanks. Uh, just to facilitate the

2424
01:40:35,360 --> 01:40:39,760
discussion, we don't have a staff report

2425
01:40:36,719 --> 01:40:41,760
on this. It's a it's a a quirk in our

2426
01:40:39,760 --> 01:40:43,520
bylaw that we now have a property that

2427
01:40:41,760 --> 01:40:46,960
is outside our municipal boundary that

2428
01:40:43,520 --> 01:40:51,080
requires uh, servicing and staff support

2429
01:40:46,960 --> 01:40:51,080
the request. Right.

2430
01:40:51,199 --> 01:40:54,400
It's been moved and seconded. I don't

2431
01:40:52,639 --> 01:40:57,760
see any questions or comments. All those

2432
01:40:54,400 --> 01:41:02,000
in favor and motion carries and we'll

2433
01:40:57,760 --> 01:41:04,400
move into Komox Valley uh airport YQ BC

2434
01:41:02,000 --> 01:41:05,840
air access program grant request for

2435
01:41:04,400 --> 01:41:08,480
letter of support.

2436
01:41:05,840 --> 01:41:10,560
» Recommendation.

2437
01:41:08,480 --> 01:41:13,360
» Excellent. Been moved and seconded. Any

2438
01:41:10,560 --> 01:41:15,440
questions or comments? Seeing none. All

2439
01:41:13,360 --> 01:41:20,639
those in favor?

2440
01:41:15,440 --> 01:41:22,159
Any opposed? And motion carries and uh

2441
01:41:20,639 --> 01:41:23,360
that letter is required by the end of

2442
01:41:22,159 --> 01:41:26,400
the week. So it's good to see that

2443
01:41:23,360 --> 01:41:29,199
happening. Uh 7.4 Courtney Air Park

2444
01:41:26,400 --> 01:41:31,199
Association BC Air Access Program sounds

2445
01:41:29,199 --> 01:41:33,440
very familiar. Uh request for a letter

2446
01:41:31,199 --> 01:41:34,239
of support.

2447
01:41:33,440 --> 01:41:36,080
» Second.

2448
01:41:34,239 --> 01:41:38,480
» It's been moved and seconded. And

2449
01:41:36,080 --> 01:41:40,400
councelor Moore. Um yeah, just very

2450
01:41:38,480 --> 01:41:43,760
briefly, both of these um support

2451
01:41:40,400 --> 01:41:46,239
letters are it's good news story that um

2452
01:41:43,760 --> 01:41:48,560
that the air park is looking to

2453
01:41:46,239 --> 01:41:51,600
electrify and solarize or whatever the

2454
01:41:48,560 --> 01:41:54,400
the verb is for that um the facilities

2455
01:41:51,600 --> 01:41:56,800
down there. Thank you.

2456
01:41:54,400 --> 01:41:59,760
» Thanks for that, Council Min. And uh

2457
01:41:56,800 --> 01:42:01,920
with that, uh all those in favor? Any

2458
01:41:59,760 --> 01:42:06,000
opposed? And that motion carries as

2459
01:42:01,920 --> 01:42:07,119
well. and we'll move into uh item 8.1

2460
01:42:06,000 --> 01:42:10,400
community and social development

2461
01:42:07,119 --> 01:42:15,455
framework in action plan update and I'll

2462
01:42:10,400 --> 01:42:17,679
pass it over to Miss Ba or Mr. Garvin.

2463
01:42:15,455 --> 01:42:19,840
[snorts] Thank you mayor. Uh through you

2464
01:42:17,679 --> 01:42:21,440
and council Joan Bay our community

2465
01:42:19,840 --> 01:42:23,360
development coordinators can introduce a

2466
01:42:21,440 --> 01:42:25,520
report and recommendation for staff's or

2467
01:42:23,360 --> 01:42:30,119
sorry for council's consideration which

2468
01:42:25,520 --> 01:42:30,119
is to receive the action plan update.

2469
01:42:30,520 --> 01:42:33,360
» [clears throat]

2470
01:42:30,719 --> 01:42:35,600
» Thank you through Mayor and Council. I'm

2471
01:42:33,360 --> 01:42:38,159
really uh delighted to pres present an

2472
01:42:35,600 --> 01:42:41,119
update on the progress with the uh

2473
01:42:38,159 --> 01:42:42,880
community social development plan. Um

2474
01:42:41,119 --> 01:42:45,040
and I'm going to focus on what's

2475
01:42:42,880 --> 01:42:47,119
happened since the last presentation,

2476
01:42:45,040 --> 01:42:50,000
specifically the two strategies that

2477
01:42:47,119 --> 01:42:52,135
were approved to inform the plan. And

2478
01:42:50,000 --> 01:42:54,239
those strategies, one was

2479
01:42:52,135 --> 01:42:57,679
[clears throat] a neighborhood network

2480
01:42:54,239 --> 01:42:59,520
strategy which was focused on uh

2481
01:42:57,679 --> 01:43:01,280
place-based community development to

2482
01:42:59,520 --> 01:43:03,360
strengthen neighborhood connections,

2483
01:43:01,280 --> 01:43:06,880
resilience, and cohesion. And the other

2484
01:43:03,360 --> 01:43:08,480
was a better together strategy was which

2485
01:43:06,880 --> 01:43:10,960
was essentially focusing on

2486
01:43:08,480 --> 01:43:13,920
partnerships, coordination and capacity

2487
01:43:10,960 --> 01:43:15,920
among service organizations and

2488
01:43:13,920 --> 01:43:19,520
collaborative tables who are working in

2489
01:43:15,920 --> 01:43:22,320
the social uh development and area with

2490
01:43:19,520 --> 01:43:25,360
an emphasis this collaboration with an

2491
01:43:22,320 --> 01:43:27,600
emphasis on upstream and preventive uh

2492
01:43:25,360 --> 01:43:28,816
action. So trying to move our work a bit

2493
01:43:27,600 --> 01:43:29,440
upstream.

2494
01:43:28,816 --> 01:43:32,159
» [clears throat]

2495
01:43:29,440 --> 01:43:35,280
» I'm really happy to say that we have uh

2496
01:43:32,159 --> 01:43:38,080
had some considerable progress over our

2497
01:43:35,280 --> 01:43:40,400
this past few months. We've moved from a

2498
01:43:38,080 --> 01:43:43,119
discovery phase to planning and we're

2499
01:43:40,400 --> 01:43:46,080
well into activation

2500
01:43:43,119 --> 01:43:49,600
uh in the key milestones in this period

2501
01:43:46,080 --> 01:43:52,719
uh included uh hiring uh retaining uh

2502
01:43:49,600 --> 01:43:56,159
consultant teams to help uh move roll

2503
01:43:52,719 --> 01:43:58,800
out these two strategies. uh one team uh

2504
01:43:56,159 --> 01:44:00,000
is the urban matters

2505
01:43:58,800 --> 01:44:02,800
sorry [clears throat] I've got a frog in

2506
01:44:00,000 --> 01:44:04,639
my throat uh urban matters and they're

2507
01:44:02,800 --> 01:44:07,520
primarily responsible for the roll out

2508
01:44:04,639 --> 01:44:09,280
of the better together uh strategy uh

2509
01:44:07,520 --> 01:44:11,520
the planning and the activation of that

2510
01:44:09,280 --> 01:44:14,719
they are also taking on responsibility

2511
01:44:11,520 --> 01:44:18,880
for the overall evaluation of the whole

2512
01:44:14,719 --> 01:44:20,880
CSDA initiative um our CSD initiative um

2513
01:44:18,880 --> 01:44:23,119
and then we have pollinate and that team

2514
01:44:20,880 --> 01:44:24,239
is responsible primarily for the

2515
01:44:23,119 --> 01:44:28,239
activation

2516
01:44:24,239 --> 01:44:30,639
of the um uh nebrite network strategy um

2517
01:44:28,239 --> 01:44:32,880
and supporting the evaluation efforts

2518
01:44:30,639 --> 01:44:35,600
during this team. This term we also

2519
01:44:32,880 --> 01:44:37,360
developed a communications strategy and

2520
01:44:35,600 --> 01:44:40,000
have started implementing that. We

2521
01:44:37,360 --> 01:44:43,040
actually have a new website uh pages

2522
01:44:40,000 --> 01:44:44,639
that were just went up yesterday. Um and

2523
01:44:43,040 --> 01:44:47,920
postcards and a number of other things.

2524
01:44:44,639 --> 01:44:49,760
We've also um started the evaluation. We

2525
01:44:47,920 --> 01:44:54,320
have an evaluation plan and tools

2526
01:44:49,760 --> 01:44:57,040
developed and underway. And finally, we

2527
01:44:54,320 --> 01:44:59,040
are I guess in we've developed the

2528
01:44:57,040 --> 01:45:01,360
strategy, the actual roadmap to move

2529
01:44:59,040 --> 01:45:04,480
these things forward.

2530
01:45:01,360 --> 01:45:07,280
I'm um pretty excited about um both of

2531
01:45:04,480 --> 01:45:10,560
these pieces. The neighborhood uh

2532
01:45:07,280 --> 01:45:12,800
network strategy in particular um we've

2533
01:45:10,560 --> 01:45:15,840
established criteria. We're going to

2534
01:45:12,800 --> 01:45:17,280
have a um a pilot of four different

2535
01:45:15,840 --> 01:45:18,639
neighborhoods, a minimum of four

2536
01:45:17,280 --> 01:45:21,440
different different neighborhoods who

2537
01:45:18,639 --> 01:45:24,639
will be engaged in the strategy. And uh

2538
01:45:21,440 --> 01:45:27,760
the focus is to build uh as I said uh

2539
01:45:24,639 --> 01:45:30,560
social cohesion to support community

2540
01:45:27,760 --> 01:45:34,400
resilience, identity and communications

2541
01:45:30,560 --> 01:45:38,159
uh amongst uh neighbors and um so we've

2542
01:45:34,400 --> 01:45:40,639
developed criteria for participation.

2543
01:45:38,159 --> 01:45:43,840
We've um we've the animator has

2544
01:45:40,639 --> 01:45:46,960
conducted outreach using a snowball

2545
01:45:43,840 --> 01:45:48,719
technique and following criteria to

2546
01:45:46,960 --> 01:45:51,280
establish the neighborhoods which ones

2547
01:45:48,719 --> 01:45:52,719
are we're going to move with and some of

2548
01:45:51,280 --> 01:45:54,880
some people have asked about what is

2549
01:45:52,719 --> 01:45:56,639
that criteria and basically we're

2550
01:45:54,880 --> 01:45:58,320
looking a big piece is do we have

2551
01:45:56,639 --> 01:46:00,400
champions who are ready to move it

2552
01:45:58,320 --> 01:46:03,040
forward. uh this isn't going to be

2553
01:46:00,400 --> 01:46:05,520
community led, it's neighborhoodled and

2554
01:46:03,040 --> 01:46:07,280
uh geographic representation of course

2555
01:46:05,520 --> 01:46:11,199
following the cardinal directions of the

2556
01:46:07,280 --> 01:46:13,280
OCP and um so we've got four

2557
01:46:11,199 --> 01:46:15,119
neighborhoods coming into view. Two that

2558
01:46:13,280 --> 01:46:19,600
are firmly going to move forward. One is

2559
01:46:15,119 --> 01:46:22,480
the old orchard slash uh downtown uh

2560
01:46:19,600 --> 01:46:25,119
network is a huge boundaries

2561
01:46:22,480 --> 01:46:27,840
uh taking all of sort of Anderson flats,

2562
01:46:25,119 --> 01:46:30,239
the historic district which we tend to

2563
01:46:27,840 --> 01:46:32,719
call old orchard, a little piece up by

2564
01:46:30,239 --> 01:46:34,560
the railroad track and even up to Fifth

2565
01:46:32,719 --> 01:46:37,440
Street. So including some of the

2566
01:46:34,560 --> 01:46:40,159
downtown businesses and then um and

2567
01:46:37,440 --> 01:46:43,040
they're very focused on uh social uh

2568
01:46:40,159 --> 01:46:46,000
engagement uh activities uh to bring

2569
01:46:43,040 --> 01:46:48,320
people together to actually form norm

2570
01:46:46,000 --> 01:46:50,960
and storm and form this larger more

2571
01:46:48,320 --> 01:46:54,719
diverse network. And then there is the

2572
01:46:50,960 --> 01:46:56,800
um Urkheart Lake Trail uh neighborhood

2573
01:46:54,719 --> 01:46:59,440
network, a little tiny funky group

2574
01:46:56,800 --> 01:47:02,000
that's between Fifth and 15th along

2575
01:46:59,440 --> 01:47:04,480
Urkart and they're very much into skill

2576
01:47:02,000 --> 01:47:08,080
building. Um and they want to do a

2577
01:47:04,480 --> 01:47:09,920
placemaking project. So Laneway perhaps.

2578
01:47:08,080 --> 01:47:12,239
Um so anyway, we've got a couple going.

2579
01:47:09,920 --> 01:47:14,800
We've got a couple more uh on the way.

2580
01:47:12,239 --> 01:47:17,679
Um perhaps even three something perhaps

2581
01:47:14,800 --> 01:47:20,239
in apartments. Uh I also wanted to point

2582
01:47:17,679 --> 01:47:22,560
out that Sandwick said Sandwick and

2583
01:47:20,239 --> 01:47:25,040
Braidwood neighborhood has been engaged

2584
01:47:22,560 --> 01:47:26,639
and will probably be a third. So we're

2585
01:47:25,040 --> 01:47:28,639
trying to get the geographic

2586
01:47:26,639 --> 01:47:30,159
representation as well. So the

2587
01:47:28,639 --> 01:47:32,400
neighborhood network stuff is working

2588
01:47:30,159 --> 01:47:35,360
well. The animators out there pulling

2589
01:47:32,400 --> 01:47:37,360
together groups. Um we've developed some

2590
01:47:35,360 --> 01:47:40,159
grants uh that we were providing

2591
01:47:37,360 --> 01:47:41,920
specifically to these participating

2592
01:47:40,159 --> 01:47:43,920
neighborhoods. And in order to qualify

2593
01:47:41,920 --> 01:47:46,639
for the grants, they have to agree to be

2594
01:47:43,920 --> 01:47:49,520
in the pilot, agree to be, you know,

2595
01:47:46,639 --> 01:47:52,480
part of the evaluation, agree to take on

2596
01:47:49,520 --> 01:47:54,320
uh circle talks, agree to take on

2597
01:47:52,480 --> 01:47:56,800
projects. So, it's a big agreement for

2598
01:47:54,320 --> 01:47:59,840
just a tiny little bit of funds, uh

2599
01:47:56,800 --> 01:48:01,360
maximum $3,000, and it would be these

2600
01:47:59,840 --> 01:48:03,920
projects would have to happen between

2601
01:48:01,360 --> 01:48:07,119
now and the end of June, seed projects,

2602
01:48:03,920 --> 01:48:09,199
and the end of uh September for larger

2603
01:48:07,119 --> 01:48:11,520
placemaking projects. So far we've only

2604
01:48:09,199 --> 01:48:13,760
had two proposals or one proposal sorry

2605
01:48:11,520 --> 01:48:17,360
and another on the way and they're very

2606
01:48:13,760 --> 01:48:19,280
small. Um so that's going as we

2607
01:48:17,360 --> 01:48:22,320
expected. Uh and then the better

2608
01:48:19,280 --> 01:48:24,639
together which is the larger broader uh

2609
01:48:22,320 --> 01:48:26,320
piece of this which is bringing together

2610
01:48:24,639 --> 01:48:29,119
uh these uh leads of these different

2611
01:48:26,320 --> 01:48:31,679
organizations who are championing work

2612
01:48:29,119 --> 01:48:34,960
in the all of the determined all of the

2613
01:48:31,679 --> 01:48:37,520
areas um determined areas of health. we

2614
01:48:34,960 --> 01:48:40,639
had and and we're helping them to first

2615
01:48:37,520 --> 01:48:46,480
of all look at the landscape and try to

2616
01:48:40,639 --> 01:48:49,119
think try to see uh where we have uh uh

2617
01:48:46,480 --> 01:48:51,360
services gaps in services duplications

2618
01:48:49,119 --> 01:48:54,000
of services places we might come

2619
01:48:51,360 --> 01:48:56,239
together and coales and get priority

2620
01:48:54,000 --> 01:48:59,199
actions done and also to figure out what

2621
01:48:56,239 --> 01:49:03,360
our role is. So this is a huge piece and

2622
01:48:59,199 --> 01:49:06,000
this ter and in this period we have uh

2623
01:49:03,360 --> 01:49:09,199
the urban matters team has initiated

2624
01:49:06,000 --> 01:49:12,719
research to uh look at the plans of all

2625
01:49:09,199 --> 01:49:15,440
these organizations to pull out where

2626
01:49:12,719 --> 01:49:18,880
they are at in a continuum of work that

2627
01:49:15,440 --> 01:49:21,440
might be done to advance advance social

2628
01:49:18,880 --> 01:49:23,360
development. So from the crisis work

2629
01:49:21,440 --> 01:49:27,840
that we find that we're in involved in

2630
01:49:23,360 --> 01:49:29,679
mostly to um creating parallel systems

2631
01:49:27,840 --> 01:49:32,000
alternatives to what we're already doing

2632
01:49:29,679 --> 01:49:36,000
to policy. So they'll be looking at

2633
01:49:32,000 --> 01:49:38,639
these plans and um we had a big soft

2634
01:49:36,000 --> 01:49:41,440
launch inviting everybody to develop the

2635
01:49:38,639 --> 01:49:43,920
vision and the values and so now the

2636
01:49:41,440 --> 01:49:46,880
next step is to bring the bring those um

2637
01:49:43,920 --> 01:49:49,760
that research back to the large group

2638
01:49:46,880 --> 01:49:52,000
and spend a couple of uh workshops

2639
01:49:49,760 --> 01:49:55,199
together where we'll we'll validate our

2640
01:49:52,000 --> 01:49:57,760
findings. Do we have it right? Um you

2641
01:49:55,199 --> 01:49:59,520
know have we missed it? Anything? uh is

2642
01:49:57,760 --> 01:50:02,560
there a place where we might work

2643
01:49:59,520 --> 01:50:04,800
together and really coordinate and co

2644
01:50:02,560 --> 01:50:07,440
efforts one or two priority areas and

2645
01:50:04,800 --> 01:50:10,800
what would be each of our roles in that

2646
01:50:07,440 --> 01:50:13,199
and so those are the next steps uh all

2647
01:50:10,800 --> 01:50:15,440
is going well and I'm open for questions

2648
01:50:13,199 --> 01:50:18,480
and the recommendation is yes just to

2649
01:50:15,440 --> 01:50:20,320
receive the report.

2650
01:50:18,480 --> 01:50:22,560
» Excellent. Thanks very much. And uh

2651
01:50:20,320 --> 01:50:24,480
yeah, I was uh uh following along the

2652
01:50:22,560 --> 01:50:27,520
the acronym. There's only really one

2653
01:50:24,480 --> 01:50:30,320
acronym, the the CSD one, but uh in the

2654
01:50:27,520 --> 01:50:33,600
um uh the project timeline graph, it

2655
01:50:30,320 --> 01:50:35,360
does uh uh adjust those letters a little

2656
01:50:33,600 --> 01:50:39,440
bit. So in one of the things it actually

2657
01:50:35,360 --> 01:50:41,119
says uh um uh what was it? Um citys

2658
01:50:39,440 --> 01:50:42,719
instead. So and then I was looking for

2659
01:50:41,119 --> 01:50:47,040
what that stood for, but I'm pretty sure

2660
01:50:42,719 --> 01:50:49,360
it's just a a justosition of letters

2661
01:50:47,040 --> 01:50:50,960
» Probably. Sorry, I'm getting dyslexic or

2662
01:50:49,360 --> 01:50:52,239
something.

2663
01:50:50,960 --> 01:50:53,440
» Community and social development.

2664
01:50:52,239 --> 01:50:55,199
» It was probably spelled better.

2665
01:50:53,440 --> 01:50:57,520
» It was probably Yeah,

2666
01:50:55,199 --> 01:51:02,320
» Fair enough. Uh but other than that, um

2667
01:50:57,520 --> 01:51:04,880
I'll pass it over to um Council Hel.

2668
01:51:02,320 --> 01:51:07,520
» Thanks, Mayor. Thanks, Joanne. Um I I

2669
01:51:04,880 --> 01:51:09,840
think that uh the the work you're doing

2670
01:51:07,520 --> 01:51:12,080
uh will become more tangible once we

2671
01:51:09,840 --> 01:51:13,840
actually have the neighborhood groups

2672
01:51:12,080 --> 01:51:16,719
identifying projects that we can

2673
01:51:13,840 --> 01:51:18,000
actually describe. And um but I just

2674
01:51:16,719 --> 01:51:20,400
want to acknowledge that I've been to

2675
01:51:18,000 --> 01:51:22,639
two events that you've coordinated. Uh

2676
01:51:20,400 --> 01:51:24,719
one was a presentation to the social

2677
01:51:22,639 --> 01:51:27,280
planning society with over 30

2678
01:51:24,719 --> 01:51:30,719
representatives of local agencies. The

2679
01:51:27,280 --> 01:51:32,880
other was a larger event with probably

2680
01:51:30,719 --> 01:51:34,560
over 100 people. and and I thought you

2681
01:51:32,880 --> 01:51:37,040
did an excellent job of presenting at

2682
01:51:34,560 --> 01:51:39,840
both and I thought that both events that

2683
01:51:37,040 --> 01:51:42,800
I attended showed evidence of community

2684
01:51:39,840 --> 01:51:46,800
being receptive to uh this work which is

2685
01:51:42,800 --> 01:51:48,880
really about um where finding this this

2686
01:51:46,800 --> 01:51:51,440
the appropriate place for the city to

2687
01:51:48,880 --> 01:51:53,040
intervene in the in the many uh social

2688
01:51:51,440 --> 01:51:55,520
challenges in our community that we

2689
01:51:53,040 --> 01:52:00,159
often get called upon to respond to. So

2690
01:51:55,520 --> 01:52:02,560
thanks for your work uh in this regard.

2691
01:52:00,159 --> 01:52:04,960
Thanks uh councelor Helian and councelor

2692
01:52:02,560 --> 01:52:07,840
Fr and thanks mayor and thanks for the

2693
01:52:04,960 --> 01:52:10,560
presentation. I had a question about the

2694
01:52:07,840 --> 01:52:13,280
uh the better together strategy and who

2695
01:52:10,560 --> 01:52:16,159
sort of the main players are right now

2696
01:52:13,280 --> 01:52:18,080
in that strategy. The main I guess it's

2697
01:52:16,159 --> 01:52:20,880
organizations that you're targeting

2698
01:52:18,080 --> 01:52:24,159
existing ones I would assume.

2699
01:52:20,880 --> 01:52:27,599
» Uh it's primarily the leads of

2700
01:52:24,159 --> 01:52:32,000
organizations who are championing work

2701
01:52:27,599 --> 01:52:34,159
in each of the determinant areas. So

2702
01:52:32,000 --> 01:52:38,080
primarily I want to be clear that we

2703
01:52:34,159 --> 01:52:40,560
also have uh leads in local government

2704
01:52:38,080 --> 01:52:44,560
uh who surround us uh who are working in

2705
01:52:40,560 --> 01:52:46,960
this area. We also have invited uh

2706
01:52:44,560 --> 01:52:50,880
people with lived and living experience

2707
01:52:46,960 --> 01:52:55,520
to those groups and also KFN and uh

2708
01:52:50,880 --> 01:52:58,080
Matei. So quite a diverse group. I was

2709
01:52:55,520 --> 01:53:00,480
really hoping because the answer won't

2710
01:52:58,080 --> 01:53:02,960
be with service providers actually at

2711
01:53:00,480 --> 01:53:04,960
the end of the day. Uh I think the

2712
01:53:02,960 --> 01:53:07,440
answer is going to be answer is going to

2713
01:53:04,960 --> 01:53:10,080
be part of that of course but we want to

2714
01:53:07,440 --> 01:53:12,960
move to a a place where we don't have to

2715
01:53:10,080 --> 01:53:15,040
providing hook so many services and we

2716
01:53:12,960 --> 01:53:19,520
want to bring some of the people in who

2717
01:53:15,040 --> 01:53:23,119
are change agents right uh so I can

2718
01:53:19,520 --> 01:53:25,599
foresee these two workshops where we're

2719
01:53:23,119 --> 01:53:28,000
identifying possibilities followed by a

2720
01:53:25,599 --> 01:53:31,280
larger

2721
01:53:28,000 --> 01:53:33,920
citywide event pending my ability to

2722
01:53:31,280 --> 01:53:36,400
secure resources for that a larger

2723
01:53:33,920 --> 01:53:38,800
citywide event which would bring in

2724
01:53:36,400 --> 01:53:41,280
these neighborhood network leads, the

2725
01:53:38,800 --> 01:53:44,800
capacity that's out there to help us

2726
01:53:41,280 --> 01:53:46,320
move our work a little further upstream.

2727
01:53:44,800 --> 01:53:48,000
» Sounds good. And and how are we

2728
01:53:46,320 --> 01:53:50,320
advertising the neighborhood network

2729
01:53:48,000 --> 01:53:52,320
strategy work that you're doing? You

2730
01:53:50,320 --> 01:53:54,880
said you were looking for neighborhoods

2731
01:53:52,320 --> 01:53:56,639
and you had a couple already apply for

2732
01:53:54,880 --> 01:53:58,320
some projects. How are we kind of

2733
01:53:56,639 --> 01:53:59,599
reaching out and getting those people

2734
01:53:58,320 --> 01:54:00,480
interested that might want to do

2735
01:53:59,599 --> 01:54:01,440
something like that in their

2736
01:54:00,480 --> 01:54:03,599
neighborhood?

2737
01:54:01,440 --> 01:54:06,080
» Yeah, kind of using a a snowball

2738
01:54:03,599 --> 01:54:08,639
technique. Uh we were a little bit

2739
01:54:06,080 --> 01:54:11,920
afraid of, you know, putting it up on a

2740
01:54:08,639 --> 01:54:14,480
website and getting like a ton. So, it's

2741
01:54:11,920 --> 01:54:16,480
the one person recommends somebody else

2742
01:54:14,480 --> 01:54:18,000
and somebody else hears about it and

2743
01:54:16,480 --> 01:54:20,159
we're just kind of weighing what we're

2744
01:54:18,000 --> 01:54:21,679
getting in terms of are we getting the

2745
01:54:20,159 --> 01:54:24,320
spread we want? Are we getting the

2746
01:54:21,679 --> 01:54:26,880
diversity we want? And basically if the

2747
01:54:24,320 --> 01:54:29,119
if they're ready um if they've got a

2748
01:54:26,880 --> 01:54:31,440
proven track record in this that really

2749
01:54:29,119 --> 01:54:34,560
helps the champions who want to do it

2750
01:54:31,440 --> 01:54:37,119
but do we have a diverse neighborhood uh

2751
01:54:34,560 --> 01:54:38,880
are we you know yeah so some those are

2752
01:54:37,119 --> 01:54:42,239
some of the criteria but how we're doing

2753
01:54:38,880 --> 01:54:45,040
it is that way and um presentations I

2754
01:54:42,239 --> 01:54:48,000
had a couple come to me from the uh

2755
01:54:45,040 --> 01:54:50,239
library presentation recently and yeah

2756
01:54:48,000 --> 01:54:52,320
so we're using that for this

2757
01:54:50,239 --> 01:54:54,400
» Yeah kind of like a slow play is what it

2758
01:54:52,320 --> 01:54:57,599
Sounds like not just a throw it out

2759
01:54:54,400 --> 01:54:59,920
there request for proposal in a post.

2760
01:54:57,599 --> 01:55:02,080
» No, cuz if I had put up these proposals,

2761
01:54:59,920 --> 01:55:04,080
I'm sure we would have had way more than

2762
01:55:02,080 --> 01:55:06,159
we could handle.

2763
01:55:04,080 --> 01:55:11,400
» Thank you.

2764
01:55:06,159 --> 01:55:11,400
Thanks, Councelor Fr and Council Warren.

2765
01:55:12,719 --> 01:55:15,840
» Didn't realize my light was on.

2766
01:55:14,239 --> 01:55:18,000
» Well, it's and and the microphones are

2767
01:55:15,840 --> 01:55:19,679
going on and off, so maybe uh you can

2768
01:55:18,000 --> 01:55:22,080
leave your microphone on next time as

2769
01:55:19,679 --> 01:55:23,199
well. Um

2770
01:55:22,080 --> 01:55:25,280
» Um thank you so much for the

2771
01:55:23,199 --> 01:55:28,080
presentation. Of course um some of us

2772
01:55:25,280 --> 01:55:30,320
already had the the pleasure of of

2773
01:55:28,080 --> 01:55:34,080
seeing um the presentation at social

2774
01:55:30,320 --> 01:55:36,239
planning. Um and you know that you're

2775
01:55:34,080 --> 01:55:39,040
starting with four pilot neighborhoods

2776
01:55:36,239 --> 01:55:41,440
and then you'll do all the evaluation

2777
01:55:39,040 --> 01:55:46,239
and see what comes out of that. Um, do

2778
01:55:41,440 --> 01:55:50,159
you is there a goal for down the road,

2779
01:55:46,239 --> 01:55:52,400
you know, is there a target per year to

2780
01:55:50,159 --> 01:55:53,840
or in terms of the neighborhoods or you

2781
01:55:52,400 --> 01:55:55,840
just going to start with the four and

2782
01:55:53,840 --> 01:55:57,840
see how that all goes and how it rolls

2783
01:55:55,840 --> 01:55:59,440
out?

2784
01:55:57,840 --> 01:56:01,440
» Yeah, I think we're just starting with

2785
01:55:59,440 --> 01:56:03,280
the four. I mean, I wish I could have a

2786
01:56:01,440 --> 01:56:05,679
target so to know that we're going to do

2787
01:56:03,280 --> 01:56:06,880
this year after year after year, but uh

2788
01:56:05,679 --> 01:56:09,360
we're going to start with the four. But

2789
01:56:06,880 --> 01:56:11,679
I can say already uh it's really about

2790
01:56:09,360 --> 01:56:15,599
the capacity of the neighborhoods that

2791
01:56:11,679 --> 01:56:19,040
we bring on and the animator uh and and

2792
01:56:15,599 --> 01:56:21,360
my own like how many um so what that

2793
01:56:19,040 --> 01:56:24,159
that'll come through the evaluation what

2794
01:56:21,360 --> 01:56:26,080
we're thinking per year four seem to be

2795
01:56:24,159 --> 01:56:28,320
but you know the old orchard one for

2796
01:56:26,080 --> 01:56:30,960
instance I should call old orchard

2797
01:56:28,320 --> 01:56:32,239
downtown it's probably four

2798
01:56:30,960 --> 01:56:35,280
neighborhoods

2799
01:56:32,239 --> 01:56:38,560
» So that's we're calling one and then you

2800
01:56:35,280 --> 01:56:40,719
know so We'll find those numbers as we

2801
01:56:38,560 --> 01:56:43,599
It's organic that way,

2802
01:56:40,719 --> 01:56:44,719
» Right? Um I don't know if Susie wanted

2803
01:56:43,599 --> 01:56:47,040
to answer something.

2804
01:56:44,719 --> 01:56:48,480
» Do you want to jump in? Yeah.

2805
01:56:47,040 --> 01:56:51,440
» Thank you to the mayor to council more

2806
01:56:48,480 --> 01:56:54,239
just to build on uh what Miss Ba said.

2807
01:56:51,440 --> 01:56:56,080
uh once we're complete well this phase

2808
01:56:54,239 --> 01:56:58,480
of work and the evaluation we'll be

2809
01:56:56,080 --> 01:57:00,159
coming back to council with uh what

2810
01:56:58,480 --> 01:57:02,239
we've learned what the outcomes of the

2811
01:57:00,159 --> 01:57:04,239
evaluation were and through that then

2812
01:57:02,239 --> 01:57:06,320
looking for direction from council on

2813
01:57:04,239 --> 01:57:08,400
what a future program could look like.

2814
01:57:06,320 --> 01:57:10,080
So, uh, at this point, we wouldn't be

2815
01:57:08,400 --> 01:57:12,800
able to identify how many we should

2816
01:57:10,080 --> 01:57:14,480
have. But through this process, uh, even

2817
01:57:12,800 --> 01:57:16,080
just the process of identifying

2818
01:57:14,480 --> 01:57:17,199
neighborhoods, we're capturing what

2819
01:57:16,080 --> 01:57:18,880
we're learning from that, the

2820
01:57:17,199 --> 01:57:21,119
experience, what's successful, what's

2821
01:57:18,880 --> 01:57:22,560
not. Uh, and that'll all be built into a

2822
01:57:21,119 --> 01:57:24,159
future proposal for council's

2823
01:57:22,560 --> 01:57:25,280
consideration. And then, uh, that's

2824
01:57:24,159 --> 01:57:27,040
where we would set some of those

2825
01:57:25,280 --> 01:57:29,360
targets, whether it's funding or

2826
01:57:27,040 --> 01:57:31,520
numbers, etc. Uh, so we'd be back to

2827
01:57:29,360 --> 01:57:33,119
council for looking for that direction

2828
01:57:31,520 --> 01:57:35,040
based on recommendations from this

2829
01:57:33,119 --> 01:57:37,119
experience.

2830
01:57:35,040 --> 01:57:40,800
» Yeah. I just I think the potential is

2831
01:57:37,119 --> 01:57:42,719
amazing. I it really um dubtales with

2832
01:57:40,800 --> 01:57:44,639
what the regional well the whole

2833
01:57:42,719 --> 01:57:46,719
region's doing around emergency

2834
01:57:44,639 --> 01:57:48,880
management and emergency preparedness

2835
01:57:46,719 --> 01:57:51,199
and and like you say the neighborhoods

2836
01:57:48,880 --> 01:57:54,880
are all um diverse and have their own

2837
01:57:51,199 --> 01:57:57,520
focuses and and needs and ideas and

2838
01:57:54,880 --> 01:57:59,520
it'll be really interesting to see what

2839
01:57:57,520 --> 01:58:02,239
everybody comes out out with. Then I

2840
01:57:59,520 --> 01:58:04,560
think you know it's there's funding for

2841
01:58:02,239 --> 01:58:08,080
projects and projects is is a big piece

2842
01:58:04,560 --> 01:58:10,560
of it but as you say really the ultimate

2843
01:58:08,080 --> 01:58:13,520
goal is to have that capacity building

2844
01:58:10,560 --> 01:58:15,599
in neighborhood and and to to really

2845
01:58:13,520 --> 01:58:19,440
address things like isolation and

2846
01:58:15,599 --> 01:58:21,840
loneliness and and um you know all all

2847
01:58:19,440 --> 01:58:24,639
the things you know food security and

2848
01:58:21,840 --> 01:58:27,040
helping neighbors and and people feeling

2849
01:58:24,639 --> 01:58:28,800
more of a sense of belonging. So, um, I

2850
01:58:27,040 --> 01:58:31,840
thank you for your work and it's great

2851
01:58:28,800 --> 01:58:36,239
to see the start of, um, some of those

2852
01:58:31,840 --> 01:58:38,960
tangibles coming forward. Thank you.

2853
01:58:36,239 --> 01:58:40,800
» Excellent. Uh, I think, uh, that that's

2854
01:58:38,960 --> 01:58:43,040
the the discussion. If somebody would

2855
01:58:40,800 --> 01:58:45,040
like to move receipt.

2856
01:58:43,040 --> 01:58:47,599
» Excellent. And we'll receive that on

2857
01:58:45,040 --> 01:58:49,520
behalf of, uh, council unanimously.

2858
01:58:47,599 --> 01:58:51,360
Thanks very much. And then we'll jump

2859
01:58:49,520 --> 01:58:53,520
right into our regional sports field

2860
01:58:51,360 --> 01:58:55,920
allocation policy project update, and

2861
01:58:53,520 --> 01:58:57,920
I'll pass it back over to Miss Sunders.

2862
01:58:55,920 --> 01:58:59,440
Thank you. Uh through the mayor council,

2863
01:58:57,920 --> 01:59:01,119
the report provides council with an

2864
01:58:59,440 --> 01:59:04,480
update on the regional sports field

2865
01:59:01,119 --> 01:59:06,000
allocation policy project. Uh the city's

2866
01:59:04,480 --> 01:59:07,599
leading this project on behalf of the

2867
01:59:06,000 --> 01:59:09,920
region based on the recommendations from

2868
01:59:07,599 --> 01:59:11,440
the 2023 Komox Valley sports field

2869
01:59:09,920 --> 01:59:13,599
strategy and with the support of our

2870
01:59:11,440 --> 01:59:15,760
local uh governments in the school

2871
01:59:13,599 --> 01:59:17,360
district. The purpose of the project is

2872
01:59:15,760 --> 01:59:19,280
to develop a consistent approach to

2873
01:59:17,360 --> 01:59:21,679
allocating fields across the region as

2874
01:59:19,280 --> 01:59:24,800
well as an consistent approach to field

2875
01:59:21,679 --> 01:59:26,719
fees as also sorry and also developing

2876
01:59:24,800 --> 01:59:29,040
recommendations for implementation of a

2877
01:59:26,719 --> 01:59:30,560
central booking agency for all fields in

2878
01:59:29,040 --> 01:59:32,800
the valley uh which is currently

2879
01:59:30,560 --> 01:59:35,360
proposed to be the city of Courtney. In

2880
01:59:32,800 --> 01:59:37,280
2025, the project team completed uh

2881
01:59:35,360 --> 01:59:39,440
research and data analysis, significant

2882
01:59:37,280 --> 01:59:41,119
engagement with field user groups and

2883
01:59:39,440 --> 01:59:42,560
established and continues to work with a

2884
01:59:41,119 --> 01:59:44,880
staff working group from the region as

2885
01:59:42,560 --> 01:59:47,599
well as a user advisory

2886
01:59:44,880 --> 01:59:50,320
uh committee uh based of field sport

2887
01:59:47,599 --> 01:59:52,320
users. Uh and they've we've presented

2888
01:59:50,320 --> 01:59:54,639
our initial findings to the staff and

2889
01:59:52,320 --> 01:59:56,960
advisory committee. So we're now

2890
01:59:54,639 --> 01:59:59,360
shifting into drafting uh allocation fee

2891
01:59:56,960 --> 02:00:01,440
and booking guiding policies and

2892
01:59:59,360 --> 02:00:02,960
principles uh which once finalized would

2893
02:00:01,440 --> 02:00:04,960
form the development of the final

2894
02:00:02,960 --> 02:00:06,880
policies.

2895
02:00:04,960 --> 02:00:09,119
The draft guiding principles being

2896
02:00:06,880 --> 02:00:11,280
reviewed uh are outlined in the report

2897
02:00:09,119 --> 02:00:13,119
and just to summarize uh there's guiding

2898
02:00:11,280 --> 02:00:15,599
principles being uh considered around

2899
02:00:13,119 --> 02:00:19,280
allocation which is really focused on

2900
02:00:15,599 --> 02:00:21,199
balancing both uh tenur uh and emerging

2901
02:00:19,280 --> 02:00:24,000
emerging sport groups in an equitable

2902
02:00:21,199 --> 02:00:25,520
manner uh and focusing on aligning the

2903
02:00:24,000 --> 02:00:28,239
right sports with the right field with

2904
02:00:25,520 --> 02:00:30,239
the right amount of time. Um it sounds

2905
02:00:28,239 --> 02:00:32,400
uh simple but it's quite complex and

2906
02:00:30,239 --> 02:00:34,159
difficult. Um but that's a key priority

2907
02:00:32,400 --> 02:00:37,840
for us is to make sure that there is

2908
02:00:34,159 --> 02:00:39,760
equitable access uh to sport field um

2909
02:00:37,840 --> 02:00:43,760
and that we're what we're proposing

2910
02:00:39,760 --> 02:00:46,560
isn't so disruptive as to sort of um

2911
02:00:43,760 --> 02:00:48,880
impact current sports groups as well. In

2912
02:00:46,560 --> 02:00:50,960
terms of fees, uh a new fee schedule for

2913
02:00:48,880 --> 02:00:53,280
all sports fields and users in the Komox

2914
02:00:50,960 --> 02:00:56,239
Valley is being considered. One that is

2915
02:00:53,280 --> 02:00:58,000
hopefully consistent across the valley.

2916
02:00:56,239 --> 02:00:59,679
uh it is being reviewed in line with the

2917
02:00:58,000 --> 02:01:01,599
city's recreation fees and charges

2918
02:00:59,679 --> 02:01:03,199
framework. So uh considering how we

2919
02:01:01,599 --> 02:01:05,840
apply a benefits-based approach to

2920
02:01:03,199 --> 02:01:07,679
setting the fees and the subsidy levels.

2921
02:01:05,840 --> 02:01:10,080
Uh [snorts] to date the user groups have

2922
02:01:07,679 --> 02:01:11,920
indicated general support for fees uh

2923
02:01:10,080 --> 02:01:14,719
including youth fees if they result in

2924
02:01:11,920 --> 02:01:16,320
improved service levels andor feal and

2925
02:01:14,719 --> 02:01:18,480
amenities

2926
02:01:16,320 --> 02:01:20,960
for booking. Courtney acting as the

2927
02:01:18,480 --> 02:01:22,400
single booking office is being proposed

2928
02:01:20,960 --> 02:01:24,159
uh along with a regional committee

2929
02:01:22,400 --> 02:01:25,840
reflective of our partner organizations

2930
02:01:24,159 --> 02:01:28,800
to support the implementation of

2931
02:01:25,840 --> 02:01:30,800
allocation policies. We expect the draft

2932
02:01:28,800 --> 02:01:33,360
policies to be complete in early spring

2933
02:01:30,800 --> 02:01:35,119
this year following which uh each

2934
02:01:33,360 --> 02:01:36,880
jurisdiction will have to review and

2935
02:01:35,119 --> 02:01:39,280
approve the recommended policies

2936
02:01:36,880 --> 02:01:41,040
including any fee bylaws respectively.

2937
02:01:39,280 --> 02:01:43,119
All of this requires significant

2938
02:01:41,040 --> 02:01:44,800
coordination and collaboration uh not

2939
02:01:43,119 --> 02:01:47,840
just at the staff level but also at the

2940
02:01:44,800 --> 02:01:49,280
elected officials level. As such uh

2941
02:01:47,840 --> 02:01:51,599
staff and consultants will be presenting

2942
02:01:49,280 --> 02:01:53,840
the findings and recommendations uh to

2943
02:01:51,599 --> 02:01:55,440
date at an upcoming elected officials

2944
02:01:53,840 --> 02:01:58,400
forum and that will include the school

2945
02:01:55,440 --> 02:02:00,560
district as well. If we're able to

2946
02:01:58,400 --> 02:02:01,920
proceed with the timeline as outlined,

2947
02:02:00,560 --> 02:02:03,760
uh we would be looking to initiate

2948
02:02:01,920 --> 02:02:05,520
implementation as early as September

2949
02:02:03,760 --> 02:02:07,520
2026,

2950
02:02:05,520 --> 02:02:09,360
uh with a priority on the artificial

2951
02:02:07,520 --> 02:02:12,080
turf that there's a new artificial turf

2952
02:02:09,360 --> 02:02:14,320
expected to come online later uh later

2953
02:02:12,080 --> 02:02:15,760
this spring, early this summer. Uh and

2954
02:02:14,320 --> 02:02:17,440
so we'd want to look at the allocation

2955
02:02:15,760 --> 02:02:19,840
policy for the what would be the two

2956
02:02:17,440 --> 02:02:21,840
turfs as our first priority. uh and then

2957
02:02:19,840 --> 02:02:24,719
followed by the remaining fields uh

2958
02:02:21,840 --> 02:02:28,159
being uh using the allocation policy and

2959
02:02:24,719 --> 02:02:29,840
fees likely for January 2028. Uh we've

2960
02:02:28,159 --> 02:02:31,199
been very clear with the user groups

2961
02:02:29,840 --> 02:02:33,760
that we want to make sure we give them

2962
02:02:31,199 --> 02:02:36,080
enough time uh to be aware of the fees

2963
02:02:33,760 --> 02:02:37,520
and the allocation policy to adjust

2964
02:02:36,080 --> 02:02:39,679
their registration timelines,

2965
02:02:37,520 --> 02:02:41,440
expectations, etc. And so that's why

2966
02:02:39,679 --> 02:02:44,080
there's such a long lead time between a

2967
02:02:41,440 --> 02:02:47,679
policy decision and implementation. And

2968
02:02:44,080 --> 02:02:50,239
I'm happy to answer any questions.

2969
02:02:47,679 --> 02:02:52,080
» Uh excellent. Thanks so much. Uh it it's

2970
02:02:50,239 --> 02:02:53,840
it's somewhat exciting to hear that

2971
02:02:52,080 --> 02:02:56,000
we're like this close to the finish

2972
02:02:53,840 --> 02:02:58,159
line. Uh you know, it has been a

2973
02:02:56,000 --> 02:03:00,239
discussion that that seems to be uh

2974
02:02:58,159 --> 02:03:02,560
ongoing for for some time. So, it's

2975
02:03:00,239 --> 02:03:05,440
great to get this update and and see

2976
02:03:02,560 --> 02:03:07,440
that uh we're we're pretty close to uh

2977
02:03:05,440 --> 02:03:10,639
pulling the trigger and and uh this

2978
02:03:07,440 --> 02:03:13,199
thing kind of uh launching into uh

2979
02:03:10,639 --> 02:03:16,560
actual implementation. So, with that,

2980
02:03:13,199 --> 02:03:18,880
I'll pass it over to Council McCulla.

2981
02:03:16,560 --> 02:03:22,080
» Yeah, similar comments. It's u great to

2982
02:03:18,880 --> 02:03:24,639
see this moving ahead and um that it

2983
02:03:22,080 --> 02:03:28,560
seems like it's been fairly wellreceived

2984
02:03:24,639 --> 02:03:31,840
by those that we've engaged with. Um I

2985
02:03:28,560 --> 02:03:35,679
think that willingness to um take take

2986
02:03:31,840 --> 02:03:38,719
on these changes and um the relatively

2987
02:03:35,679 --> 02:03:41,440
um good acceptance of the possibility of

2988
02:03:38,719 --> 02:03:43,520
the changes probably reflects that

2989
02:03:41,440 --> 02:03:45,840
there's a real recognition that um

2990
02:03:43,520 --> 02:03:47,679
fields are a finite resource and having

2991
02:03:45,840 --> 02:03:51,280
good policy in place that makes it clear

2992
02:03:47,679 --> 02:03:56,000
and fair on on who gets what when is

2993
02:03:51,280 --> 02:03:58,480
probably overdue. Um, and I do have a

2994
02:03:56,000 --> 02:04:02,239
question and it's not necessarily

2995
02:03:58,480 --> 02:04:06,080
related to the next steps here, but um,

2996
02:04:02,239 --> 02:04:09,199
we have other sport um, shared resources

2997
02:04:06,080 --> 02:04:11,520
that aren't necessarily fields that um,

2998
02:04:09,199 --> 02:04:13,360
you know, one of them came up um, at the

2999
02:04:11,520 --> 02:04:15,679
recreation commission meeting yesterday

3000
02:04:13,360 --> 02:04:18,239
around um, gym space, which you know is

3001
02:04:15,679 --> 02:04:21,840
very sim similar to um, fields in terms

3002
02:04:18,239 --> 02:04:24,000
of usage and and um, how it's spread out

3003
02:04:21,840 --> 02:04:27,199
in the community and I'm wondering if in

3004
02:04:24,000 --> 02:04:30,480
this um process that there has been an

3005
02:04:27,199 --> 02:04:32,480
any discussion or identification on um

3006
02:04:30,480 --> 02:04:35,280
whether or not we would kind of expand

3007
02:04:32,480 --> 02:04:38,560
this whole process to other types of

3008
02:04:35,280 --> 02:04:41,760
facilities in the community or if um or

3009
02:04:38,560 --> 02:04:44,116
if we're going to take a pause when we

3010
02:04:41,760 --> 02:04:44,639
get to completion on this.

3011
02:04:44,116 --> 02:04:45,920
[clears throat]

3012
02:04:44,639 --> 02:04:48,239
Thank you through the mayor to councelor

3013
02:04:45,920 --> 02:04:52,560
McCullum. Um

3014
02:04:48,239 --> 02:04:53,840
I would suggest uh that we will p I

3015
02:04:52,560 --> 02:04:55,760
don't I don't want to say pause but we

3016
02:04:53,840 --> 02:04:58,480
will focus on the implementation of the

3017
02:04:55,760 --> 02:05:01,920
uh sport field allocation policy. That

3018
02:04:58,480 --> 02:05:03,520
will take a number of seasons uh to work

3019
02:05:01,920 --> 02:05:04,880
through to a place where everyone's

3020
02:05:03,520 --> 02:05:06,719
feeling comfortable and confident with

3021
02:05:04,880 --> 02:05:08,480
it and give us time to also tweak it in

3022
02:05:06,719 --> 02:05:10,719
case there's I'm sure there'll be things

3023
02:05:08,480 --> 02:05:13,679
we'll want to improve. uh there hasn't

3024
02:05:10,719 --> 02:05:16,560
been discussion uh at the regional sort

3025
02:05:13,679 --> 02:05:19,599
of staff advisory group around

3026
02:05:16,560 --> 02:05:22,400
considering a similar regional policy

3027
02:05:19,599 --> 02:05:24,880
allocation policy for indoor space and I

3028
02:05:22,400 --> 02:05:27,199
would offer it at this point that that's

3029
02:05:24,880 --> 02:05:28,960
probably not something I as a staff I

3030
02:05:27,199 --> 02:05:31,440
would recommend because the demands on

3031
02:05:28,960 --> 02:05:34,000
indoor space are quite different than

3032
02:05:31,440 --> 02:05:37,599
sport fields. uh for sports fields,

3033
02:05:34,000 --> 02:05:40,800
we're we're basically balancing the need

3034
02:05:37,599 --> 02:05:43,440
of just public access with uh permitted

3035
02:05:40,800 --> 02:05:46,800
time. Uh we're not they're not

3036
02:05:43,440 --> 02:05:49,520
facilities where we also have um sort of

3037
02:05:46,800 --> 02:05:51,199
the city programming spaces, other

3038
02:05:49,520 --> 02:05:52,800
private interest, other social sort of

3039
02:05:51,199 --> 02:05:56,960
and you're you're managing all these

3040
02:05:52,800 --> 02:05:58,800
complex bookings. Um and so I I don't

3041
02:05:56,960 --> 02:06:00,080
think that would come up. I do know and

3042
02:05:58,800 --> 02:06:03,040
and we had this conversation with the

3043
02:06:00,080 --> 02:06:05,119
parks and recreation advisory commission

3044
02:06:03,040 --> 02:06:06,880
uh that from this work uh the city of

3045
02:06:05,119 --> 02:06:08,560
Courtney for instance would look to use

3046
02:06:06,880 --> 02:06:10,480
some of the allocation principles and

3047
02:06:08,560 --> 02:06:13,199
policies for some of our other outdoor

3048
02:06:10,480 --> 02:06:15,760
sport facilities like tennis courts uh

3049
02:06:13,199 --> 02:06:18,080
pickle ball courts uh we have a lacrosse

3050
02:06:15,760 --> 02:06:21,840
box uh those types of things we our our

3051
02:06:18,080 --> 02:06:23,760
allocation policies are um not refined

3052
02:06:21,840 --> 02:06:26,400
I'd say for those areas and so we would

3053
02:06:23,760 --> 02:06:29,040
apply those after we finish the field uh

3054
02:06:26,400 --> 02:06:31,920
work. Yeah, that makes good sense. Yeah,

3055
02:06:29,040 --> 02:06:33,840
thanks for pointing that out. Um that

3056
02:06:31,920 --> 02:06:36,719
yeah, there's a lot more pressures on

3057
02:06:33,840 --> 02:06:39,199
our indoor spaces, so not as easy to

3058
02:06:36,719 --> 02:06:41,119
take on the same framework. Uh the other

3059
02:06:39,199 --> 02:06:43,119
question I had too was just whether or

3060
02:06:41,119 --> 02:06:45,840
not in this process of engaging with our

3061
02:06:43,119 --> 02:06:47,920
various groups if there was

3062
02:06:45,840 --> 02:06:50,079
any changes identified or anything that

3063
02:06:47,920 --> 02:06:54,159
came out of those groups or if it was

3064
02:06:50,079 --> 02:06:57,440
mostly an exercise and just um you know

3065
02:06:54,159 --> 02:07:01,360
explaining the framework and getting um

3066
02:06:57,440 --> 02:07:04,079
people on side or if we made any changes

3067
02:07:01,360 --> 02:07:06,480
um based on anything that came came out

3068
02:07:04,079 --> 02:07:10,320
of those sessions.

3069
02:07:06,480 --> 02:07:12,560
Uh thank you S council McCullum. Um I

3070
02:07:10,320 --> 02:07:14,960
think the group's feedback to date has

3071
02:07:12,560 --> 02:07:16,639
been mostly focused on implementation

3072
02:07:14,960 --> 02:07:19,040
and how it will be implemented and

3073
02:07:16,639 --> 02:07:21,040
that's where I think uh they've you know

3074
02:07:19,040 --> 02:07:23,599
for example when we start to talk about

3075
02:07:21,040 --> 02:07:25,679
a single allocate or booking agency we

3076
02:07:23,599 --> 02:07:27,199
start to talk about seasonal uh booking

3077
02:07:25,679 --> 02:07:30,480
timelines and allocation and

3078
02:07:27,199 --> 02:07:33,280
understanding from all these sports with

3079
02:07:30,480 --> 02:07:35,360
a variety of seasons and timings when

3080
02:07:33,280 --> 02:07:37,840
those best moments are during the year

3081
02:07:35,360 --> 02:07:40,639
to plan uh for their future allocations

3082
02:07:37,840 --> 02:07:42,800
and how the interaction between the

3083
02:07:40,639 --> 02:07:44,960
allocation and their registration happen

3084
02:07:42,800 --> 02:07:46,480
and the timing of those two things. So

3085
02:07:44,960 --> 02:07:48,400
really wanting to make sure that

3086
02:07:46,480 --> 02:07:50,480
whichever processes we put in place will

3087
02:07:48,400 --> 02:07:52,320
also work for the sports groups as they

3088
02:07:50,480 --> 02:07:56,800
do their registration communication with

3089
02:07:52,320 --> 02:07:59,040
families etc. Um I think understanding

3090
02:07:56,800 --> 02:08:01,440
the implementation of fees and how we go

3091
02:07:59,040 --> 02:08:05,760
about doing that in a way that um is

3092
02:08:01,440 --> 02:08:07,599
both around uh equity and sustainability

3093
02:08:05,760 --> 02:08:10,079
but also understanding that fees are a

3094
02:08:07,599 --> 02:08:12,639
way to prevent some of the block booking

3095
02:08:10,079 --> 02:08:14,639
um not prevent but reduce uh block

3096
02:08:12,639 --> 02:08:17,199
booking where now if there's no fee

3097
02:08:14,639 --> 02:08:19,280
involved uh sports groups are holding

3098
02:08:17,199 --> 02:08:20,880
entire fields and whether they use it or

3099
02:08:19,280 --> 02:08:24,079
not there's no financial impact to the

3100
02:08:20,880 --> 02:08:25,599
club to do that. So um those are some of

3101
02:08:24,079 --> 02:08:28,159
the conversations I think where there's

3102
02:08:25,599 --> 02:08:30,719
a lot of value. The other one we're

3103
02:08:28,159 --> 02:08:33,760
having is around how we

3104
02:08:30,719 --> 02:08:36,560
manage the historical tenure of large

3105
02:08:33,760 --> 02:08:39,040
sports and the amount of field time they

3106
02:08:36,560 --> 02:08:41,760
need while also trying to create space

3107
02:08:39,040 --> 02:08:43,119
for new sports as they come forward. And

3108
02:08:41,760 --> 02:08:45,520
that's really difficult because

3109
02:08:43,119 --> 02:08:47,679
sometimes it could result in folks um

3110
02:08:45,520 --> 02:08:49,920
having to give up time. Uh so we've

3111
02:08:47,679 --> 02:08:51,760
proposed some ways of managing the

3112
02:08:49,920 --> 02:08:53,599
growth of large sports. so that they

3113
02:08:51,760 --> 02:08:56,400
have limits to the amount of field time

3114
02:08:53,599 --> 02:08:58,000
they can grow in a single year um based

3115
02:08:56,400 --> 02:09:00,079
on a percentage of what they already

3116
02:08:58,000 --> 02:09:02,079
have. Um otherwise they kind of grow

3117
02:09:00,079 --> 02:09:04,560
exponentially and it's really hard for

3118
02:09:02,079 --> 02:09:06,000
small groups to get space. So we've been

3119
02:09:04,560 --> 02:09:08,560
testing some of those really kind of

3120
02:09:06,000 --> 02:09:10,400
detailed specific things with the groups

3121
02:09:08,560 --> 02:09:12,320
um as well as how we establish their

3122
02:09:10,400 --> 02:09:14,159
baselines. So, how do we do an audit at

3123
02:09:12,320 --> 02:09:16,000
the beginning of this process to make

3124
02:09:14,159 --> 02:09:17,760
sure everyone has the appropriate amount

3125
02:09:16,000 --> 02:09:19,760
based on the standards of play for their

3126
02:09:17,760 --> 02:09:21,520
sport and use that as our baseline and

3127
02:09:19,760 --> 02:09:23,440
what an audit process might look like,

3128
02:09:21,520 --> 02:09:25,360
you know, every 5 years. So, I think

3129
02:09:23,440 --> 02:09:26,639
it's in those level of details where the

3130
02:09:25,360 --> 02:09:28,159
sports groups are particularly

3131
02:09:26,639 --> 02:09:29,760
interested and we're particularly

3132
02:09:28,159 --> 02:09:31,840
interested in making sure we don't do

3133
02:09:29,760 --> 02:09:33,760
something that uh throws a wrench in

3134
02:09:31,840 --> 02:09:34,960
their registration plans, timelines,

3135
02:09:33,760 --> 02:09:36,560
etc.

3136
02:09:34,960 --> 02:09:38,960
» Yeah, that's really interesting. It's

3137
02:09:36,560 --> 02:09:40,639
good understanding of how complex the

3138
02:09:38,960 --> 02:09:43,199
whole thing is when you really get down

3139
02:09:40,639 --> 02:09:45,520
to the nuts and bolts of um having it

3140
02:09:43,199 --> 02:09:48,239
get down to various club levels. So,

3141
02:09:45,520 --> 02:09:51,040
thanks for that.

3142
02:09:48,239 --> 02:09:55,360
» Uh thanks uh councelor McCullum uh for

3143
02:09:51,040 --> 02:09:56,880
your comments and uh

3144
02:09:55,360 --> 02:09:59,760
» Excellent. Thank you very much. and

3145
02:09:56,880 --> 02:10:02,960
we'll receive that unanimously uh uh for

3146
02:09:59,760 --> 02:10:07,520
council and we'll move into council uh

3147
02:10:02,960 --> 02:10:11,520
resolutions and um and uh as mayor I do

3148
02:10:07,520 --> 02:10:18,159
have uh the elect respect uh support uh

3149
02:10:11,520 --> 02:10:19,920
motion in front of us um and uh okay

3150
02:10:18,159 --> 02:10:22,639
» Okay it's been moved and seconded we did

3151
02:10:19,920 --> 02:10:24,880
have a discussion uh during the

3152
02:10:22,639 --> 02:10:26,719
delegation portion of this so I think we

3153
02:10:24,880 --> 02:10:28,719
covered most of the topics I'm not sure

3154
02:10:26,719 --> 02:10:30,639
if anybody has any further comments

3155
02:10:28,719 --> 02:10:31,920
they'd like to make and I'll pass over

3156
02:10:30,639 --> 02:10:33,599
to Council Mort.

3157
02:10:31,920 --> 02:10:35,520
» Thanks, Mayor. Um, yeah, I think it's

3158
02:10:33,599 --> 02:10:38,400
all outlined in the motion in terms of

3159
02:10:35,520 --> 02:10:40,560
next steps. Obviously, this is um this

3160
02:10:38,400 --> 02:10:42,159
is, you know, symbolic. We hope that

3161
02:10:40,560 --> 02:10:44,960
people will put it into practice,

3162
02:10:42,159 --> 02:10:47,840
obviously. Um,

3163
02:10:44,960 --> 02:10:51,679
but I know you're going to be sending it

3164
02:10:47,840 --> 02:10:54,639
to UBCM and all those organizations. And

3165
02:10:51,679 --> 02:10:56,719
I'm just looking is it it's going out to

3166
02:10:54,639 --> 02:10:57,920
the other local governments is it or

3167
02:10:56,719 --> 02:11:00,159
» I don't believe the other local

3168
02:10:57,920 --> 02:11:02,000
governments are on this list but that

3169
02:11:00,159 --> 02:11:05,119
could be something that I think would be

3170
02:11:02,000 --> 02:11:06,880
relatively easy to to add uh local

3171
02:11:05,119 --> 02:11:07,280
governments in Komox First Nation

3172
02:11:06,880 --> 02:11:09,280
posture.

3173
02:11:07,280 --> 02:11:11,760
» Yeah. I mean, I know it it means them

3174
02:11:09,280 --> 02:11:13,440
putting it on an agenda and, you know,

3175
02:11:11,760 --> 02:11:15,520
some of the same people looking at it

3176
02:11:13,440 --> 02:11:18,079
again, but I think it would be good to

3177
02:11:15,520 --> 02:11:20,159
have a regional approach. And I I

3178
02:11:18,079 --> 02:11:22,320
thought the comments earlier were were

3179
02:11:20,159 --> 02:11:25,199
good around how this is not about

3180
02:11:22,320 --> 02:11:28,239
shutting down um commentary. It's really

3181
02:11:25,199 --> 02:11:32,400
about um the stuff that crosses the

3182
02:11:28,239 --> 02:11:35,360
line. Um and uh there's a lot of it. And

3183
02:11:32,400 --> 02:11:39,679
um and we've had some local examples.

3184
02:11:35,360 --> 02:11:44,159
We've had some particularly female um uh

3185
02:11:39,679 --> 02:11:47,520
leaders who have uh who've had to um uh

3186
02:11:44,159 --> 02:11:51,119
file police reports etc. Um actually

3187
02:11:47,520 --> 02:11:53,119
we've we've got kind of a um pro um per

3188
02:11:51,119 --> 02:11:55,679
capita I think we have a fairly high

3189
02:11:53,119 --> 02:11:58,719
number for for the limited number of

3190
02:11:55,679 --> 02:12:00,320
elected officials we have um in terms of

3191
02:11:58,719 --> 02:12:03,679
police investigations and things like

3192
02:12:00,320 --> 02:12:05,280
that for harassment. So, um you know, a

3193
02:12:03,679 --> 02:12:07,199
lot of a lot of the stuff that goes on

3194
02:12:05,280 --> 02:12:09,840
people don't don't even hear about, but

3195
02:12:07,199 --> 02:12:11,199
it does happen. So, um I think it'd be

3196
02:12:09,840 --> 02:12:14,000
good to have a united front and I'm

3197
02:12:11,199 --> 02:12:16,880
really hoping that that um although this

3198
02:12:14,000 --> 02:12:18,800
is symbolic and it's a statement that

3199
02:12:16,880 --> 02:12:21,599
people put it into practice because we

3200
02:12:18,800 --> 02:12:23,840
know that words on a screen do does turn

3201
02:12:21,599 --> 02:12:25,360
into behavior, the behaviors that we see

3202
02:12:23,840 --> 02:12:28,320
don't they start somewhere and it's

3203
02:12:25,360 --> 02:12:29,840
usually with those uh uh those uh

3204
02:12:28,320 --> 02:12:31,840
comments. Thanks.

3205
02:12:29,840 --> 02:12:34,960
» Thanks very much. Yeah, I you know the

3206
02:12:31,840 --> 02:12:37,360
idea that um you know the what we really

3207
02:12:34,960 --> 02:12:40,079
want to have as an outcome here is more

3208
02:12:37,360 --> 02:12:43,040
people involved from across the spectrum

3209
02:12:40,079 --> 02:12:45,199
of of all perspectives um but feeling

3210
02:12:43,040 --> 02:12:48,239
comfortable they can they can speak uh

3211
02:12:45,199 --> 02:12:52,000
their mind without uh fear of being

3212
02:12:48,239 --> 02:12:54,159
bullied or intimidated. Uh uh thanks um

3213
02:12:52,000 --> 02:12:57,159
and I don't see any other comments. So

3214
02:12:54,159 --> 02:12:57,159
uh

3215
02:12:57,679 --> 02:13:01,040
» Sorry can I clarify was that a friendly

3216
02:12:59,360 --> 02:13:03,440
amendment or are we leaving the motion

3217
02:13:01,040 --> 02:13:05,040
as is

3218
02:13:03,440 --> 02:13:06,320
» I think a friendly amendment to add

3219
02:13:05,040 --> 02:13:08,400
local governments

3220
02:13:06,320 --> 02:13:12,159
» To add regional local governments and

3221
02:13:08,400 --> 02:13:14,960
comox first nation and the distribution.

3222
02:13:12,159 --> 02:13:16,880
» Thanks for that council morren um and I

3223
02:13:14,960 --> 02:13:20,560
think that that is absolutely

3224
02:13:16,880 --> 02:13:24,000
appropriate. Um and with that uh all

3225
02:13:20,560 --> 02:13:26,880
those in favor? Any opposed? And motion

3226
02:13:24,000 --> 02:13:30,000
carries. And that gets us into uh

3227
02:13:26,880 --> 02:13:32,480
unfinished business. We are at about 12

3228
02:13:30,000 --> 02:13:34,639
after 6. Uh we're at a point where

3229
02:13:32,480 --> 02:13:36,320
there's a potential we could kind of

3230
02:13:34,639 --> 02:13:38,719
power through this and and then have

3231
02:13:36,320 --> 02:13:41,280
dinner. That that's kind of my uh my

3232
02:13:38,719 --> 02:13:44,280
hope. Um and we'll go from there.

3233
02:13:41,280 --> 02:13:44,280
Councelor,

3234
02:13:44,800 --> 02:13:48,480
» I'm just wondering if we want to

3235
02:13:46,079 --> 02:13:50,800
contemplate um varying the agenda just

3236
02:13:48,480 --> 02:13:53,119
for the um first item in the bylaws

3237
02:13:50,800 --> 02:13:55,599
because I think that's mainly what um

3238
02:13:53,119 --> 02:13:57,760
people are here for and then maybe we

3239
02:13:55,599 --> 02:14:00,480
could see from there. I'm not sure if

3240
02:13:57,760 --> 02:14:04,239
that works for staff,

3241
02:14:00,480 --> 02:14:05,760
» Right? Okay. Um yeah, we we have I think

3242
02:14:04,239 --> 02:14:08,320
a couple different groups here. Uh

3243
02:14:05,760 --> 02:14:10,159
» Oh, okay. In that case, maybe we'll just

3244
02:14:08,320 --> 02:14:12,560
leave it as is. These other items are

3245
02:14:10,159 --> 02:14:15,040
pretty small, too. So, the unfinished

3246
02:14:12,560 --> 02:14:16,239
business. So, probably won't take long.

3247
02:14:15,040 --> 02:14:18,159
We can maybe just

3248
02:14:16,239 --> 02:14:19,520
» All right. Well, we'll jump on to 10.1

3249
02:14:18,159 --> 02:14:21,040
and try to move through this fairly

3250
02:14:19,520 --> 02:14:23,920
quickly. That's the Komalt Valley Food

3251
02:14:21,040 --> 02:14:27,280
Policy Council uh from the December 10th

3252
02:14:23,920 --> 02:14:30,480
delegation. Um and there was request for

3253
02:14:27,280 --> 02:14:32,480
$15,000 financial assistance and I'll

3254
02:14:30,480 --> 02:14:35,440
pass it over to Council Morn.

3255
02:14:32,480 --> 02:14:37,199
» Yeah, thanks Mayor. Um I don't think

3256
02:14:35,440 --> 02:14:39,920
we're just basically responding to this

3257
02:14:37,199 --> 02:14:41,360
delegation. Um,

3258
02:14:39,920 --> 02:14:43,840
unfortunately, we didn't really get

3259
02:14:41,360 --> 02:14:46,639
clarification from the group about what

3260
02:14:43,840 --> 02:14:48,480
happened with the funding um through the

3261
02:14:46,639 --> 02:14:49,760
regional district because like, you

3262
02:14:48,480 --> 02:14:52,800
know, I would think this group would be

3263
02:14:49,760 --> 02:14:54,960
able to apply for one of the grants. So,

3264
02:14:52,800 --> 02:15:00,480
um, I'm not quite sure what happened

3265
02:14:54,960 --> 02:15:02,719
there. Um, I know that it's um it's I

3266
02:15:00,480 --> 02:15:05,760
think the I think the presentation

3267
02:15:02,719 --> 02:15:08,079
really outlined some of the some of the

3268
02:15:05,760 --> 02:15:11,280
um the work that that the group would

3269
02:15:08,079 --> 02:15:13,280
like to do with the city in terms of um

3270
02:15:11,280 --> 02:15:15,440
advancing the food systems

3271
02:15:13,280 --> 02:15:18,079
recommendations and the OCP as well as

3272
02:15:15,440 --> 02:15:21,840
some other things that that fit into

3273
02:15:18,079 --> 02:15:23,760
what we're doing. Um they talk about um

3274
02:15:21,840 --> 02:15:25,679
you know the emergency preparedness

3275
02:15:23,760 --> 02:15:28,960
piece which I think also really fits in

3276
02:15:25,679 --> 02:15:32,719
with the with the strategy that Miss Bae

3277
02:15:28,960 --> 02:15:35,199
was talking about earlier um and things

3278
02:15:32,719 --> 02:15:37,679
like the ecosystem resilience and and

3279
02:15:35,199 --> 02:15:40,079
promoting you know pollinator habitat

3280
02:15:37,679 --> 02:15:41,760
and we know that Komox is has a

3281
02:15:40,079 --> 02:15:44,159
designation now and I really don't like

3282
02:15:41,760 --> 02:15:47,760
it when Komox gets a designation before

3283
02:15:44,159 --> 02:15:50,159
we do on these things but um so I guess

3284
02:15:47,760 --> 02:15:52,079
I'm I'm proposing that we do provide a

3285
02:15:50,159 --> 02:15:55,599
little bit of funding. I I recognize

3286
02:15:52,079 --> 02:15:57,199
that um we shouldn't be paying the the

3287
02:15:55,599 --> 02:16:00,000
whole bit and that other local

3288
02:15:57,199 --> 02:16:02,400
governments should step up, but I would

3289
02:16:00,000 --> 02:16:04,800
propose that we

3290
02:16:02,400 --> 02:16:08,800
um I'd like to move that the Komox

3291
02:16:04,800 --> 02:16:12,079
Valley Food Policy Council's request um

3292
02:16:08,800 --> 02:16:13,599
uh be granted for half of that amount,

3293
02:16:12,079 --> 02:16:15,280
not to be included in the motion, but

3294
02:16:13,599 --> 02:16:17,199
$7,500

3295
02:16:15,280 --> 02:16:19,920
to be allocated from the council

3296
02:16:17,199 --> 02:16:21,599
initiatives fund and further that staff

3297
02:16:19,920 --> 02:16:23,440
meet with food policy council members

3298
02:16:21,599 --> 02:16:25,679
for an initial discussion to explore

3299
02:16:23,440 --> 02:16:27,280
potential collaboration to advance

3300
02:16:25,679 --> 02:16:30,239
recommendations in the food systems

3301
02:16:27,280 --> 02:16:32,000
chapter of Courtney's official community

3302
02:16:30,239 --> 02:16:34,639
plan.

3303
02:16:32,000 --> 02:16:37,679
And that's the motion if someone's

3304
02:16:34,639 --> 02:16:39,840
» Okay and I know that that is already in

3305
02:16:37,679 --> 02:16:42,080
our strategic priorities engaging with

3306
02:16:39,840 --> 02:16:44,800
the food policy council to identify

3307
02:16:42,080 --> 02:16:47,920
needs and and I don't anticipate this to

3308
02:16:44,800 --> 02:16:50,800
be a big workload item and recognizing

3309
02:16:47,920 --> 02:16:52,240
we are going to go into a new term but I

3310
02:16:50,800 --> 02:16:54,399
think it would be helpful to start

3311
02:16:52,240 --> 02:16:58,080
having some of those conversations

3312
02:16:54,399 --> 02:17:02,000
before the end of the term just to um

3313
02:16:58,080 --> 02:17:04,639
yeah just to to get that going. um

3314
02:17:02,000 --> 02:17:08,880
recognizing that staff I know is in

3315
02:17:04,639 --> 02:17:10,479
contact with with this council um and

3316
02:17:08,880 --> 02:17:13,359
hoping that other local governments

3317
02:17:10,479 --> 02:17:16,080
maybe come on to to help support some of

3318
02:17:13,359 --> 02:17:18,559
the initiatives that uh the food policy

3319
02:17:16,080 --> 02:17:22,399
council is they actually are doing a lot

3320
02:17:18,559 --> 02:17:24,399
of stuff but it's not that well known

3321
02:17:22,399 --> 02:17:27,679
» And to that end would you want to have

3322
02:17:24,399 --> 02:17:30,719
other local governments included to on

3323
02:17:27,679 --> 02:17:32,559
the um motion if if it passes just so

3324
02:17:30,719 --> 02:17:33,920
that there's um they get that

3325
02:17:32,559 --> 02:17:36,080
information and know

3326
02:17:33,920 --> 02:17:38,399
» I I I'd rather have the Food Policy

3327
02:17:36,080 --> 02:17:41,679
Council leave that up to them to present

3328
02:17:38,399 --> 02:17:42,479
to the other local governments and work

3329
02:17:41,679 --> 02:17:42,800
that out.

3330
02:17:42,479 --> 02:17:45,840
» Okay.

3331
02:17:42,800 --> 02:17:49,439
» Um I did uh I did check quite a while

3332
02:17:45,840 --> 02:17:51,359
ago now with um Mr. Lagmire around um

3333
02:17:49,439 --> 02:17:52,559
what was in the council initiatives

3334
02:17:51,359 --> 02:17:55,519
fund. There is a little bit of money

3335
02:17:52,559 --> 02:17:57,760
still there I believe. So I'm pretty

3336
02:17:55,519 --> 02:18:00,160
sure that's what the answer was before.

3337
02:17:57,760 --> 02:18:02,960
Anyway, that's what I propose and leave

3338
02:18:00,160 --> 02:18:04,240
it open to other comments. Thanks.

3339
02:18:02,960 --> 02:18:07,439
» All right. And Mr. Garby,

3340
02:18:04,240 --> 02:18:08,880
» Uh, sorry, if I may, uh, just want to

3341
02:18:07,439 --> 02:18:10,880
insert myself in this discussion.

3342
02:18:08,880 --> 02:18:12,479
Council, just for council's reference,

3343
02:18:10,880 --> 02:18:15,599
when we did our strategic plan update,

3344
02:18:12,479 --> 02:18:18,800
we did remove working on the FU

3345
02:18:15,599 --> 02:18:20,559
initiatives from the 2026 work. So, we

3346
02:18:18,800 --> 02:18:22,719
don't have staff time dedicated towards

3347
02:18:20,559 --> 02:18:24,399
that. Council may have some monies

3348
02:18:22,719 --> 02:18:27,599
available. I just want to remind council

3349
02:18:24,399 --> 02:18:28,960
of the direction that we had.

3350
02:18:27,599 --> 02:18:33,040
» Sorry, I was thinking that that was

3351
02:18:28,960 --> 02:18:34,719
2025, not 2026. Thanks.

3352
02:18:33,040 --> 02:18:36,240
» Thanks, Councelor Morren and councelor

3353
02:18:34,719 --> 02:18:38,639
F.

3354
02:18:36,240 --> 02:18:40,719
» Yes, generally in favor of the first

3355
02:18:38,639 --> 02:18:42,960
half of the motion on the money. Um, but

3356
02:18:40,719 --> 02:18:46,160
I was going to ask um where we are with

3357
02:18:42,960 --> 02:18:48,240
our count council initiatives um budget

3358
02:18:46,160 --> 02:18:50,639
slash balance.

3359
02:18:48,240 --> 02:18:52,880
» Mr. Legire.

3360
02:18:50,639 --> 02:18:54,880
» Well, being a new year, we have the full

3361
02:18:52,880 --> 02:18:57,040
budget again and the normal budget is

3362
02:18:54,880 --> 02:18:59,200
$75,000

3363
02:18:57,040 --> 02:19:01,040
and the initial

3364
02:18:59,200 --> 02:19:02,639
financial plan committee the whole work

3365
02:19:01,040 --> 02:19:04,160
in November. There's been no changes to

3366
02:19:02,639 --> 02:19:05,599
that number for 26.

3367
02:19:04,160 --> 02:19:10,479
» Okay. Thank you for that. So, that's

3368
02:19:05,599 --> 02:19:14,319
10%. And I I did have a concern about um

3369
02:19:10,479 --> 02:19:16,240
moving to ask staff to to h have more

3370
02:19:14,319 --> 02:19:18,479
discussions with them if it's not on our

3371
02:19:16,240 --> 02:19:21,280
our our current

3372
02:19:18,479 --> 02:19:22,800
priority list. Um so if we're going to

3373
02:19:21,280 --> 02:19:24,479
move forward with this motion, maybe we

3374
02:19:22,800 --> 02:19:26,160
just sever it or I don't know if other

3375
02:19:24,479 --> 02:19:28,880
counselors would support just removing

3376
02:19:26,160 --> 02:19:31,519
that part from the motion and just

3377
02:19:28,880 --> 02:19:33,120
support the first half from now.

3378
02:19:31,519 --> 02:19:35,280
» There's no request to sever it. We we

3379
02:19:33,120 --> 02:19:37,760
can just separate it. Well, I'll see

3380
02:19:35,280 --> 02:19:37,760
what happens.

3381
02:19:37,840 --> 02:19:42,479
Yeah, I I would say let's sever it and

3382
02:19:40,080 --> 02:19:45,920
and and then we can call questions and

3383
02:19:42,479 --> 02:19:47,679
and move through it. Um

3384
02:19:45,920 --> 02:19:49,840
yeah, council horn, did you want to

3385
02:19:47,679 --> 02:19:53,600
speak to it?

3386
02:19:49,840 --> 02:19:55,520
» I just want to send it to

3387
02:19:53,600 --> 02:19:58,080
» Okay.

3388
02:19:55,520 --> 02:20:01,080
» All right. And

3389
02:19:58,080 --> 02:20:01,080
Miss

3390
02:20:01,439 --> 02:20:04,560
Councelor McCullum,

3391
02:20:02,880 --> 02:20:06,560
» You can call me Miss McCullum if you

3392
02:20:04,560 --> 02:20:07,680
want. There were other lights on so but

3393
02:20:06,560 --> 02:20:10,960
they've gone off now.

3394
02:20:07,680 --> 02:20:13,680
» Um yeah, I think that this is reasonable

3395
02:20:10,960 --> 02:20:15,600
to um [clears throat] provide uh the

3396
02:20:13,680 --> 02:20:18,640
funding that's been put forward by

3397
02:20:15,600 --> 02:20:22,160
councelor Morren. Um I I am supportive

3398
02:20:18,640 --> 02:20:26,880
of the work that this um food policy

3399
02:20:22,160 --> 02:20:29,439
council is looking to do, but um I also

3400
02:20:26,880 --> 02:20:31,359
recognize that you know we're being

3401
02:20:29,439 --> 02:20:35,040
asked as far as I can tell from the

3402
02:20:31,359 --> 02:20:38,720
budget that they provided to um

3403
02:20:35,040 --> 02:20:42,080
fund um all of their um financial ask.

3404
02:20:38,720 --> 02:20:44,720
um as the rest of the slide is um in

3405
02:20:42,080 --> 02:20:46,399
kind at least that's my understanding

3406
02:20:44,720 --> 02:20:50,000
from what they provided but I am filling

3407
02:20:46,399 --> 02:20:51,840
in some blanks there. So um much of the

3408
02:20:50,000 --> 02:20:54,000
work that they're doing is is for the

3409
02:20:51,840 --> 02:20:56,319
whole region and of course um city of

3410
02:20:54,000 --> 02:20:59,520
Courtney benefits from that but um we

3411
02:20:56,319 --> 02:21:01,840
are not uh the only organization that

3412
02:20:59,520 --> 02:21:04,399
exists um to support this work. So I

3413
02:21:01,840 --> 02:21:06,880
think this is a good compromise. Um, so

3414
02:21:04,399 --> 02:21:10,319
I'm happy to support that and I am in

3415
02:21:06,880 --> 02:21:12,960
agreement um that that second piece of

3416
02:21:10,319 --> 02:21:17,520
organizing a council meeting um between

3417
02:21:12,960 --> 02:21:20,160
council and the food policy is it's a it

3418
02:21:17,520 --> 02:21:22,560
it's often not recognized or not obvious

3419
02:21:20,160 --> 02:21:24,560
to us um how much work that creates for

3420
02:21:22,560 --> 02:21:27,040
staff when we set those up and we are in

3421
02:21:24,560 --> 02:21:28,960
the um final months of the term. So, I

3422
02:21:27,040 --> 02:21:30,800
think if that's like a coordinated

3423
02:21:28,960 --> 02:21:33,920
effort that the next council wants to do

3424
02:21:30,800 --> 02:21:35,680
with this uh with the food policy

3425
02:21:33,920 --> 02:21:39,120
council, that would make good sense to

3426
02:21:35,680 --> 02:21:40,800
do at a later date. So, um that's my

3427
02:21:39,120 --> 02:21:42,800
thinking when we vote on the two

3428
02:21:40,800 --> 02:21:44,240
motions. Thanks.

3429
02:21:42,800 --> 02:21:45,359
» Great. Thanks for that. And back to you,

3430
02:21:44,240 --> 02:21:48,319
Council Moore.

3431
02:21:45,359 --> 02:21:51,680
» Thanks. Um could I just clarify whether

3432
02:21:48,319 --> 02:21:54,880
staff is devoting any time at all in

3433
02:21:51,680 --> 02:21:57,439
meeting with the council around I mean

3434
02:21:54,880 --> 02:22:00,560
informal I don't know I guess I'm just

3435
02:21:57,439 --> 02:22:02,240
curious whether any of this these

3436
02:22:00,560 --> 02:22:04,640
conversations are already happening. I'm

3437
02:22:02,240 --> 02:22:06,399
fine to have the the motion severed um

3438
02:22:04,640 --> 02:22:08,560
and just provide the funding and then

3439
02:22:06,399 --> 02:22:11,920
ask the food policy council to go to the

3440
02:22:08,560 --> 02:22:13,920
other local governments

3441
02:22:11,920 --> 02:22:16,080
» Through the mayor councelor Morin. Uh

3442
02:22:13,920 --> 02:22:17,840
the food policy council also has been

3443
02:22:16,080 --> 02:22:20,160
invited as a part of the better together

3444
02:22:17,840 --> 02:22:22,319
strategy. So we do have staff engagement

3445
02:22:20,160 --> 02:22:24,479
with the food policy council and we

3446
02:22:22,319 --> 02:22:26,960
engage on certain topics as they come

3447
02:22:24,479 --> 02:22:29,760
up. um but there isn't a concerted

3448
02:22:26,960 --> 02:22:31,840
effort to coordinate particular pieces

3449
02:22:29,760 --> 02:22:34,080
of work or advance particular pieces of

3450
02:22:31,840 --> 02:22:37,120
work uh since the strategic priorities

3451
02:22:34,080 --> 02:22:38,720
were adjusted. So our priority uh prior

3452
02:22:37,120 --> 02:22:40,560
to that was the community garden and

3453
02:22:38,720 --> 02:22:43,200
making sure that that service agreement

3454
02:22:40,560 --> 02:22:45,439
was in place and that we had uh renewed

3455
02:22:43,200 --> 02:22:47,280
that agreement and then planning uh for

3456
02:22:45,439 --> 02:22:49,120
the future of the community garden uh

3457
02:22:47,280 --> 02:22:50,880
which of course is part of some

3458
02:22:49,120 --> 02:22:52,640
recommendations in the OCP but not

3459
02:22:50,880 --> 02:22:54,720
necessarily specific to the food policy

3460
02:22:52,640 --> 02:22:56,479
council but we do engage with them sort

3461
02:22:54,720 --> 02:22:58,640
of intermittently and on other sort of

3462
02:22:56,479 --> 02:22:59,359
broader initiatives and I don't know if

3463
02:22:58,640 --> 02:23:01,280
um

3464
02:22:59,359 --> 02:23:03,280
» Yeah I just wanted to to just clarify

3465
02:23:01,280 --> 02:23:04,960
that the community garden is lush and

3466
02:23:03,280 --> 02:23:07,200
food policy council is different because

3467
02:23:04,960 --> 02:23:10,399
that's been very confusing over the

3468
02:23:07,200 --> 02:23:12,319
years. Okay. Thank you.

3469
02:23:10,399 --> 02:23:14,080
» All right. Uh that being said, uh the

3470
02:23:12,319 --> 02:23:17,359
motions are severed. So we'll start with

3471
02:23:14,080 --> 02:23:19,120
motion the first motion for the $7,500.

3472
02:23:17,359 --> 02:23:21,520
Uh I think that's clear for everybody.

3473
02:23:19,120 --> 02:23:26,840
All those in favor.

3474
02:23:21,520 --> 02:23:26,840
Any opposed? And that motion uh carries.

3475
02:23:27,600 --> 02:23:31,680
Yeah. Well, we'll just vote on the

3476
02:23:29,280 --> 02:23:34,000
second motion uh directing staff to meet

3477
02:23:31,680 --> 02:23:35,439
with food policy. Uh, all those in

3478
02:23:34,000 --> 02:23:38,080
favor?

3479
02:23:35,439 --> 02:23:40,479
» Any opposed? And there we go. We've

3480
02:23:38,080 --> 02:23:42,880
deleted it now. So,

3481
02:23:40,479 --> 02:23:44,560
I know I know.

3482
02:23:42,880 --> 02:23:46,720
» Yes.

3483
02:23:44,560 --> 02:23:48,000
» Did you Did Council vote in favor or

3484
02:23:46,720 --> 02:23:50,960
were you opposed?

3485
02:23:48,000 --> 02:23:52,720
» Well, I would have rather vote on it.

3486
02:23:50,960 --> 02:23:53,120
So,

3487
02:23:52,720 --> 02:23:55,439
» Yeah,

3488
02:23:53,120 --> 02:23:56,960
» I think it was unanimously opposed.

3489
02:23:55,439 --> 02:23:58,560
Yeah, Mr. Garin.

3490
02:23:56,960 --> 02:24:00,080
» Thank you, Mayor.

3491
02:23:58,560 --> 02:24:02,319
In the materials that was provided us,

3492
02:24:00,080 --> 02:24:04,080
there's an indication that the the CVD

3493
02:24:02,319 --> 02:24:06,640
was going to reduce the budget. I I

3494
02:24:04,080 --> 02:24:09,120
don't I not wish the CVD was the budget

3495
02:24:06,640 --> 02:24:11,920
reduced and does council support

3496
02:24:09,120 --> 02:24:13,520
spending this money subject to the CVRD

3497
02:24:11,920 --> 02:24:17,120
and and my apologies. I was trying to

3498
02:24:13,520 --> 02:24:19,439
just get clarification as we have done

3499
02:24:17,120 --> 02:24:21,520
that in the past with with other

3500
02:24:19,439 --> 02:24:25,439
funding. So I I'm sorry if if that

3501
02:24:21,520 --> 02:24:27,600
matter has gone forward that I know.

3502
02:24:25,439 --> 02:24:30,000
» Yeah.

3503
02:24:27,600 --> 02:24:32,240
I I I think I think that uh yeah, I

3504
02:24:30,000 --> 02:24:34,319
think we passed that point, but uh

3505
02:24:32,240 --> 02:24:36,000
definitely it's you know, I'll look to

3506
02:24:34,319 --> 02:24:38,640
our uh directors at the regional

3507
02:24:36,000 --> 02:24:40,240
district who can um if something changed

3508
02:24:38,640 --> 02:24:44,880
there, then they they can let us know as

3509
02:24:40,240 --> 02:24:48,560
well. Um moving on to 10.2 2 um endure

3510
02:24:44,880 --> 02:24:52,720
projects palace place um and there is

3511
02:24:48,560 --> 02:24:55,840
the request um about the tax exemption

3512
02:24:52,720 --> 02:24:58,319
um and so there was a another followup

3513
02:24:55,840 --> 02:25:00,160
uh from before and so I'll pass it over

3514
02:24:58,319 --> 02:25:02,640
to any council members that would like

3515
02:25:00,160 --> 02:25:04,720
to speak to this matter and councelor

3516
02:25:02,640 --> 02:25:06,479
Helen.

3517
02:25:04,720 --> 02:25:10,000
Yeah, thanks Mayor. I I just wanted to

3518
02:25:06,479 --> 02:25:12,000
ask staff if uh if we did look at option

3519
02:25:10,000 --> 02:25:15,760
two, what's the significance of

3520
02:25:12,000 --> 02:25:19,720
specifying u retroactive versus going

3521
02:25:15,760 --> 02:25:19,720
forward from 2026?

3522
02:25:22,479 --> 02:25:25,479
» Uh

3523
02:25:28,880 --> 02:25:35,439
uh thanks very much. So sorry, I'm just

3524
02:25:30,960 --> 02:25:35,439
pulling up the correspondence again.

3525
02:25:35,520 --> 02:25:40,640
So essentially there were the the

3526
02:25:39,200 --> 02:25:43,520
the request was essentially to

3527
02:25:40,640 --> 02:25:46,800
reconsider the uh level of the t the tax

3528
02:25:43,520 --> 02:25:48,240
exemption itself. Um in order to for

3529
02:25:46,800 --> 02:25:50,479
council to reconsider it, you would have

3530
02:25:48,240 --> 02:25:52,960
to rescend your previous motions or

3531
02:25:50,479 --> 02:25:55,280
reconsider your previous motions through

3532
02:25:52,960 --> 02:25:58,319
a rule to suspend a motion to suspend

3533
02:25:55,280 --> 02:26:00,800
the rule which would require um more

3534
02:25:58,319 --> 02:26:02,880
than the majority of council to support.

3535
02:26:00,800 --> 02:26:04,720
Even then, I would prefer to get a bit

3536
02:26:02,880 --> 02:26:07,600
more direction from council to explore

3537
02:26:04,720 --> 02:26:09,600
the legal options as far as how we could

3538
02:26:07,600 --> 02:26:11,280
go about that. Essentially, the

3539
02:26:09,600 --> 02:26:12,720
information that I have around whether

3540
02:26:11,280 --> 02:26:15,359
or not council has the ability to

3541
02:26:12,720 --> 02:26:18,880
reconsider it right now is that you

3542
02:26:15,359 --> 02:26:20,479
really don't. Um that said, if you want

3543
02:26:18,880 --> 02:26:23,439
me to see whether or not there's

3544
02:26:20,479 --> 02:26:26,319
opportunities to um pass that motion to

3545
02:26:23,439 --> 02:26:28,560
suspend the rules, which is not the

3546
02:26:26,319 --> 02:26:30,479
question I had asked of our our legal

3547
02:26:28,560 --> 02:26:32,000
counsel at the beginning, um that's

3548
02:26:30,479 --> 02:26:34,399
something I could definitely go ahead

3549
02:26:32,000 --> 02:26:36,080
and do. However, the effect we're able

3550
02:26:34,399 --> 02:26:38,160
to undertake that would be the same

3551
02:26:36,080 --> 02:26:40,960
where the previous tax exemptions would

3552
02:26:38,160 --> 02:26:43,439
be removed. the developer would be

3553
02:26:40,960 --> 02:26:45,920
required to repay the taxes that had

3554
02:26:43,439 --> 02:26:48,160
been previously exempted and the new

3555
02:26:45,920 --> 02:26:50,960
exemption would only apply to future tax

3556
02:26:48,160 --> 02:26:52,640
years. So the question still is council

3557
02:26:50,960 --> 02:26:54,880
would not really have an opportunity to

3558
02:26:52,640 --> 02:26:58,000
make the taxes whole or the exemption

3559
02:26:54,880 --> 02:27:00,080
whole in that case. Um and that option

3560
02:26:58,000 --> 02:27:01,600
as well has not been explored with the

3561
02:27:00,080 --> 02:27:03,840
requester as to whether or not that

3562
02:27:01,600 --> 02:27:06,160
would be an acceptable resolution at the

3563
02:27:03,840 --> 02:27:09,120
end of it. So if council would like to

3564
02:27:06,160 --> 02:27:11,760
explore all potential options within um

3565
02:27:09,120 --> 02:27:14,479
our our authorities, I would need

3566
02:27:11,760 --> 02:27:18,319
direction to undertake that work.

3567
02:27:14,479 --> 02:27:20,640
» Yeah, my inclination is is to uh

3568
02:27:18,319 --> 02:27:22,880
ask for a report with options going

3569
02:27:20,640 --> 02:27:24,399
forward rather than retroactively, but

3570
02:27:22,880 --> 02:27:26,960
I'll see what other people think.

3571
02:27:24,399 --> 02:27:30,160
Thanks.

3572
02:27:26,960 --> 02:27:31,040
» Uh thanks Councelor Alen and Councelor

3573
02:27:30,160 --> 02:27:33,680
Brush.

3574
02:27:31,040 --> 02:27:36,720
» Yeah, thanks Mayor. Um, as I stated at

3575
02:27:33,680 --> 02:27:38,560
the last meeting, uh, I'm also inclined

3576
02:27:36,720 --> 02:27:41,520
to ask [clears throat] staff to report

3577
02:27:38,560 --> 02:27:45,520
back with options to provide, um, the

3578
02:27:41,520 --> 02:27:47,840
revitaliz revitalization tax exemption.

3579
02:27:45,520 --> 02:27:50,080
And, um, my reasoning for that was

3580
02:27:47,840 --> 02:27:51,600
stated last time that we put this bylaw

3581
02:27:50,080 --> 02:27:53,040
through to get this exact development,

3582
02:27:51,600 --> 02:27:56,800
we got this development, and somewhere

3583
02:27:53,040 --> 02:28:00,479
along the line it didn't work out uh, to

3584
02:27:56,800 --> 02:28:02,240
fit the bylaw. So, um, and I am also

3585
02:28:00,479 --> 02:28:04,720
inclined to just move forward and do the

3586
02:28:02,240 --> 02:28:05,920
best we can. Um, so my apologies. I

3587
02:28:04,720 --> 02:28:09,120
don't think I'm going to support

3588
02:28:05,920 --> 02:28:11,840
retroactively, but, um, I'd like to get

3589
02:28:09,120 --> 02:28:14,880
staff to report back on 100% tax

3590
02:28:11,840 --> 02:28:18,080
revitalization exemption to Palace Place

3591
02:28:14,880 --> 02:28:21,680
um, from or for 2026, I believe, would

3592
02:28:18,080 --> 02:28:24,000
be the right wording for that.

3593
02:28:21,680 --> 02:28:25,280
» Okay. And is are you making a movement?

3594
02:28:24,000 --> 02:28:26,080
» Sure. I'll make that a motion if that's

3595
02:28:25,280 --> 02:28:29,280
okay.

3596
02:28:26,080 --> 02:28:30,479
» Okay. So that's motion now. Okay. And do

3597
02:28:29,280 --> 02:28:31,840
you want to speak any further to

3598
02:28:30,479 --> 02:28:32,880
» No, that's fine. Thanks. I'll leave it

3599
02:28:31,840 --> 02:28:34,880
up.

3600
02:28:32,880 --> 02:28:37,120
» And

3601
02:28:34,880 --> 02:28:40,080
Councilman,

3602
02:28:37,120 --> 02:28:42,000
» Yeah. Um

3603
02:28:40,080 --> 02:28:44,399
my recollection is we had a pretty

3604
02:28:42,000 --> 02:28:49,040
detailed discussion around this um once

3605
02:28:44,399 --> 02:28:52,880
already. um I received information that

3606
02:28:49,040 --> 02:28:56,160
um you know there was maybe a different

3607
02:28:52,880 --> 02:28:58,080
way to have calculated it and perhaps

3608
02:28:56,160 --> 02:29:00,080
our bylaw should look at other things. I

3609
02:28:58,080 --> 02:29:02,000
I think we are doing a review of it

3610
02:29:00,080 --> 02:29:05,920
through the downtown local area plan

3611
02:29:02,000 --> 02:29:07,520
currently. So I don't see a need to

3612
02:29:05,920 --> 02:29:10,000
provide further direction on that right

3613
02:29:07,520 --> 02:29:12,240
now. We we have already directed uh

3614
02:29:10,000 --> 02:29:14,399
staff to come back on that and uh I

3615
02:29:12,240 --> 02:29:17,920
don't have an appetite to review this

3616
02:29:14,399 --> 02:29:20,960
again. um this is not the not the first

3617
02:29:17,920 --> 02:29:23,760
time it's come here and um I think that

3618
02:29:20,960 --> 02:29:26,720
it was handled as fairly with um the

3619
02:29:23,760 --> 02:29:31,120
information that we had at the time and

3620
02:29:26,720 --> 02:29:33,920
my inclination is that um we focus on

3621
02:29:31,120 --> 02:29:36,720
providing

3622
02:29:33,920 --> 02:29:39,120
fast turnaround with applications for

3623
02:29:36,720 --> 02:29:41,920
downtown development and that um we get

3624
02:29:39,120 --> 02:29:43,680
we get rid of this or adjust it in some

3625
02:29:41,920 --> 02:29:45,359
way because um I don't I don't think

3626
02:29:43,680 --> 02:29:47,840
it's actually done what we've wanted it

3627
02:29:45,359 --> 02:29:49,840
to in the 8 years I've been on council

3628
02:29:47,840 --> 02:29:51,840
and I'm inclined to take a different

3629
02:29:49,840 --> 02:29:53,920
approach and I think we'll be getting

3630
02:29:51,840 --> 02:29:56,240
some more information around that at

3631
02:29:53,920 --> 02:29:59,680
some point and I'm happy to discuss that

3632
02:29:56,240 --> 02:30:01,840
then. Thanks.

3633
02:29:59,680 --> 02:30:03,040
» Thanks. Thanks for that comment. Um I

3634
02:30:01,840 --> 02:30:05,760
don't see any further questions or

3635
02:30:03,040 --> 02:30:08,240
comments at this point. Um I saw a

3636
02:30:05,760 --> 02:30:09,680
movement there but uh uh seeing that

3637
02:30:08,240 --> 02:30:11,439
there's no further questions or

3638
02:30:09,680 --> 02:30:13,600
comments, I'll call the question. All

3639
02:30:11,439 --> 02:30:16,800
those in favor of the motion on the

3640
02:30:13,600 --> 02:30:19,120
screen. Any opposed?

3641
02:30:16,800 --> 02:30:22,720
And motion carries with councelor Moore

3642
02:30:19,120 --> 02:30:26,000
and councelor McCollum opposed.

3643
02:30:22,720 --> 02:30:30,319
And um

3644
02:30:26,000 --> 02:30:34,479
uh next we have uh item 11.1.1 amenity

3645
02:30:30,319 --> 02:30:38,080
cost charges bylaw number 3207.

3646
02:30:34,479 --> 02:30:40,160
And um I'll pass over to Miss Okcon.

3647
02:30:38,080 --> 02:30:41,520
» Uh thanks very much. So, as you may

3648
02:30:40,160 --> 02:30:43,040
recall, at the last meeting, council

3649
02:30:41,520 --> 02:30:45,760
provided direction to staff to bring

3650
02:30:43,040 --> 02:30:49,120
forward the bylaw to um undertake and

3651
02:30:45,760 --> 02:30:50,800
authorize the ECC uh charges. So, that

3652
02:30:49,120 --> 02:30:52,560
is the bylaw that is before council

3653
02:30:50,800 --> 02:30:55,120
based on the the decisions made at the

3654
02:30:52,560 --> 02:30:57,359
previous meeting. Um I have support from

3655
02:30:55,120 --> 02:30:59,120
Nancy Henderson here who from urban

3656
02:30:57,359 --> 02:31:00,479
systems who has substantially been who's

3657
02:30:59,120 --> 02:31:02,720
been substantially involved in this

3658
02:31:00,479 --> 02:31:04,240
project in order to help answer any

3659
02:31:02,720 --> 02:31:06,240
technical questions that council may

3660
02:31:04,240 --> 02:31:08,479
have. The cover report really just

3661
02:31:06,240 --> 02:31:09,680
outlines some of the background. um is a

3662
02:31:08,479 --> 02:31:11,920
reminder of some of the options that

3663
02:31:09,680 --> 02:31:13,680
were considered in the policy discussion

3664
02:31:11,920 --> 02:31:16,240
and essentially sums it up into where we

3665
02:31:13,680 --> 02:31:17,840
are today and then includes uh we're

3666
02:31:16,240 --> 02:31:20,319
seeking direction from council to twin

3667
02:31:17,840 --> 02:31:22,720
the timing of the ACC bylaw final

3668
02:31:20,319 --> 02:31:25,040
adoption reading with the DCC bylaw

3669
02:31:22,720 --> 02:31:28,080
final adoption reading upon its return

3670
02:31:25,040 --> 02:31:30,399
from uh the minister's office and or

3671
02:31:28,080 --> 02:31:32,080
sorry the inspector's office and

3672
02:31:30,399 --> 02:31:35,040
essentially the intent of that twinning

3673
02:31:32,080 --> 02:31:36,640
or that combined time is to provide some

3674
02:31:35,040 --> 02:31:38,479
anticipatable and an ease of

3675
02:31:36,640 --> 02:31:40,240
implementation So we're not having to

3676
02:31:38,479 --> 02:31:41,600
phase in different cost charges at

3677
02:31:40,240 --> 02:31:43,439
different times, but actually aligning

3678
02:31:41,600 --> 02:31:47,920
them together to have one calculation

3679
02:31:43,439 --> 02:31:48,720
and one impact at at the same time.

3680
02:31:47,920 --> 02:31:50,319
» Okay.

3681
02:31:48,720 --> 02:31:52,640
» All right. Uh thanks very much for that.

3682
02:31:50,319 --> 02:31:56,200
I'll look to council and I have

3683
02:31:52,640 --> 02:31:56,200
councelor Helian.

3684
02:31:56,240 --> 02:32:01,200
» I suppose I have one technical question.

3685
02:31:58,240 --> 02:32:05,560
If this uh was passed, how long would it

3686
02:32:01,200 --> 02:32:05,560
take for it actually to be implemented?

3687
02:32:09,520 --> 02:32:13,359
through the chair. I mean, in terms of

3688
02:32:11,359 --> 02:32:15,120
the implementation of the bylaw, as soon

3689
02:32:13,359 --> 02:32:17,200
as it's adopted, it could come into

3690
02:32:15,120 --> 02:32:20,080
effect. Council has the option to have a

3691
02:32:17,200 --> 02:32:22,240
grace period if you wish. Um, however,

3692
02:32:20,080 --> 02:32:24,640
the intention, as noted by Miss

3693
02:32:22,240 --> 02:32:27,040
Okonnell, was to bring it in alignment

3694
02:32:24,640 --> 02:32:29,600
with the DCC adoption. So, that's

3695
02:32:27,040 --> 02:32:31,439
currently with the ministry. So, when we

3696
02:32:29,600 --> 02:32:33,200
hear back from them, the idea would be

3697
02:32:31,439 --> 02:32:35,840
the adoption would happen at the same

3698
02:32:33,200 --> 02:32:38,080
time. That being said, in terms of the

3699
02:32:35,840 --> 02:32:41,120
implementation of the charges, there is

3700
02:32:38,080 --> 02:32:43,120
an instream protection for applications

3701
02:32:41,120 --> 02:32:46,399
that are instream with the city. So the

3702
02:32:43,120 --> 02:32:49,520
first year of the bylaw, um the inflow

3703
02:32:46,399 --> 02:32:51,840
of charges would be relatively slow. Um

3704
02:32:49,520 --> 02:32:53,439
and then that would over time uh

3705
02:32:51,840 --> 02:32:55,359
increase. So there's a bit of a there's

3706
02:32:53,439 --> 02:32:57,920
a couple doublegged approach to that

3707
02:32:55,359 --> 02:33:00,080
answer, if you will. and and that one

3708
02:32:57,920 --> 02:33:01,760
year sorry uh that one year because

3709
02:33:00,080 --> 02:33:03,280
that's what I remember from the DCC is

3710
02:33:01,760 --> 02:33:04,720
there would be I don't know if it was a

3711
02:33:03,280 --> 02:33:07,600
one-year grace period but there would be

3712
02:33:04,720 --> 02:33:09,760
that one-year buffer so just so we're

3713
02:33:07,600 --> 02:33:10,800
because what I heard was almost a a

3714
02:33:09,760 --> 02:33:14,080
little bit of this and a little bit of

3715
02:33:10,800 --> 02:33:16,560
that. Uh so just to be crystal clear is

3716
02:33:14,080 --> 02:33:20,720
that one-year buffer going to be applied

3717
02:33:16,560 --> 02:33:23,439
to DCC the new DCC's and the new ACC is

3718
02:33:20,720 --> 02:33:25,840
that how it would be looked at?

3719
02:33:23,439 --> 02:33:28,000
» Yeah, Mr. Mayor. So the there's actually

3720
02:33:25,840 --> 02:33:30,800
a difference in terminology between

3721
02:33:28,000 --> 02:33:33,359
grace period and the instream protection

3722
02:33:30,800 --> 02:33:35,280
just to be clear. So grace period would

3723
02:33:33,359 --> 02:33:38,000
be and you could do this with your DCC

3724
02:33:35,280 --> 02:33:40,000
VA if you wish is you could adopt it on

3725
02:33:38,000 --> 02:33:42,240
February 1st and say it's going to come

3726
02:33:40,000 --> 02:33:44,479
into effect on April 1st.

3727
02:33:42,240 --> 02:33:46,399
» Uh the instream protection is from the

3728
02:33:44,479 --> 02:33:48,800
date of the adoption of the bylaw. So

3729
02:33:46,399 --> 02:33:51,120
even if you have that grace period that

3730
02:33:48,800 --> 02:33:52,880
instream uh protection would take place

3731
02:33:51,120 --> 02:33:54,319
from the adoption of the bylaw. If you

3732
02:33:52,880 --> 02:33:57,439
have those complete precursor

3733
02:33:54,319 --> 02:33:59,520
applications in, they uh would have the

3734
02:33:57,439 --> 02:34:02,319
one year to get their building permit

3735
02:33:59,520 --> 02:34:04,000
essentially issued and then if they can

3736
02:34:02,319 --> 02:34:07,359
do that in the one year, then they would

3737
02:34:04,000 --> 02:34:10,560
not be subjected to the ACC.

3738
02:34:07,359 --> 02:34:12,720
» Okay. So, I think that clarifies for me.

3739
02:34:10,560 --> 02:34:14,160
Sorry, Councelor Hillian. Does it do you

3740
02:34:12,720 --> 02:34:16,240
have a follow-up or

3741
02:34:14,160 --> 02:34:20,000
» I I wanted to make some comments. Uh Mr.

3742
02:34:16,240 --> 02:34:22,399
Mayor, people will recall that uh when

3743
02:34:20,000 --> 02:34:25,520
we dealt with this in December, we had a

3744
02:34:22,399 --> 02:34:26,880
lot of uh um letters that were received

3745
02:34:25,520 --> 02:34:29,520
from members of the development

3746
02:34:26,880 --> 02:34:33,280
community expressing concern about the

3747
02:34:29,520 --> 02:34:36,479
direction council was going and um there

3748
02:34:33,280 --> 02:34:40,080
was a also a view expressed that there

3749
02:34:36,479 --> 02:34:43,359
hadn't been adequate uh engagement with

3750
02:34:40,080 --> 02:34:45,439
the development community. Um some of us

3751
02:34:43,359 --> 02:34:46,880
did have the opportunity to meet with

3752
02:34:45,439 --> 02:34:49,920
representatives of the development

3753
02:34:46,880 --> 02:34:51,920
community um since then and I just

3754
02:34:49,920 --> 02:34:54,800
wanted to share some of the uh um

3755
02:34:51,920 --> 02:34:58,640
feedback that uh was received and ask

3756
02:34:54,800 --> 02:35:02,000
staff to to comment on it to help us uh

3757
02:34:58,640 --> 02:35:04,479
uh come to a decision on this. Um um so

3758
02:35:02,000 --> 02:35:07,280
first of all, one of the assertions was

3759
02:35:04,479 --> 02:35:10,160
that the growth pro projections that uh

3760
02:35:07,280 --> 02:35:14,560
we're we're working with are unlikely to

3761
02:35:10,160 --> 02:35:18,479
be met due to the slowdown in both in

3762
02:35:14,560 --> 02:35:22,560
migration and other economic factors. um

3763
02:35:18,479 --> 02:35:25,280
that that the smallcale multi-unit uh uh

3764
02:35:22,560 --> 02:35:29,120
legislation and and uh process won't

3765
02:35:25,280 --> 02:35:30,880
provide the housing projected u as uh

3766
02:35:29,120 --> 02:35:33,680
many local builders don't see it as

3767
02:35:30,880 --> 02:35:36,640
economical to build. Uh there's a view

3768
02:35:33,680 --> 02:35:39,680
that the market can't absorb the uh $200

3769
02:35:36,640 --> 02:35:44,880
million project cost that uh that we've

3770
02:35:39,680 --> 02:35:47,920
uh identified. Um there's a view that um

3771
02:35:44,880 --> 02:35:52,720
our staff reports didn't accurately uh

3772
02:35:47,920 --> 02:35:55,280
portray developer feedback. Um and um

3773
02:35:52,720 --> 02:35:57,120
there is um

3774
02:35:55,280 --> 02:36:00,479
I think a desire for more robust

3775
02:35:57,120 --> 02:36:03,439
engagement on an ongoing basis. Um

3776
02:36:00,479 --> 02:36:07,040
there's also a concern that um some of

3777
02:36:03,439 --> 02:36:10,000
the consultants might not have um uh

3778
02:36:07,040 --> 02:36:13,120
have as sufficient local knowledge of

3779
02:36:10,000 --> 02:36:14,800
market conditions and such. Um and that

3780
02:36:13,120 --> 02:36:17,520
the benefit of our local builder

3781
02:36:14,800 --> 02:36:20,399
knowledge hasn't been realized in uh

3782
02:36:17,520 --> 02:36:23,200
staff and council deliberations on this

3783
02:36:20,399 --> 02:36:25,680
uh on these bylaws.

3784
02:36:23,200 --> 02:36:27,920
Um there's a view that the fees really

3785
02:36:25,680 --> 02:36:30,800
do need to reflect what the market can

3786
02:36:27,920 --> 02:36:34,720
bear. Um and that developers are dealing

3787
02:36:30,800 --> 02:36:37,840
with not just these uh proposals but um

3788
02:36:34,720 --> 02:36:41,280
a 25% increase uh related to seismic

3789
02:36:37,840 --> 02:36:44,560
upgrades, step code increases, other uh

3790
02:36:41,280 --> 02:36:47,280
regulations and fees that uh that make

3791
02:36:44,560 --> 02:36:50,640
development more challenging. Uh it was

3792
02:36:47,280 --> 02:36:52,399
expressed that um there there at least a

3793
02:36:50,640 --> 02:36:55,920
couple of projects in town that wouldn't

3794
02:36:52,399 --> 02:37:00,800
have been built um if in fact uh these

3795
02:36:55,920 --> 02:37:02,560
rates had been in effect. Um and uh one

3796
02:37:00,800 --> 02:37:04,800
of the primary reasons is that the banks

3797
02:37:02,560 --> 02:37:07,520
simply won't finance

3798
02:37:04,800 --> 02:37:09,920
um some of the costs that are involved.

3799
02:37:07,520 --> 02:37:12,560
And um questions were asked about

3800
02:37:09,920 --> 02:37:14,960
whether we can trim the project list. Um

3801
02:37:12,560 --> 02:37:16,479
to what extent uh members of the de

3802
02:37:14,960 --> 02:37:19,200
development community can be at the

3803
02:37:16,479 --> 02:37:21,120
table and uh are there ways to make the

3804
02:37:19,200 --> 02:37:24,160
rates dynamic to react to market

3805
02:37:21,120 --> 02:37:27,840
conditions. Um, those are some of the

3806
02:37:24,160 --> 02:37:29,280
primary uh messages that that uh that I

3807
02:37:27,840 --> 02:37:32,080
heard and and I'd just be really

3808
02:37:29,280 --> 02:37:34,399
interested in uh other counselor's

3809
02:37:32,080 --> 02:37:37,399
comments and what staff might respond.

3810
02:37:34,399 --> 02:37:37,399
Thanks.

3811
02:37:37,920 --> 02:37:42,960
» Um, Miss Okonnell,

3812
02:37:40,080 --> 02:37:46,240
» Uh, thanks very much. So, um, for

3813
02:37:42,960 --> 02:37:47,680
councelor Hillian, there's, uh, the

3814
02:37:46,240 --> 02:37:49,760
items that you've just spoken to, and

3815
02:37:47,680 --> 02:37:53,120
I've done my best to try and jot them

3816
02:37:49,760 --> 02:37:56,399
all down, so I I understand. Um, some of

3817
02:37:53,120 --> 02:37:58,800
the comments that you're relaying, um,

3818
02:37:56,399 --> 02:38:00,720
actually speak to the professional

3819
02:37:58,800 --> 02:38:03,359
capabilities of both staff and the

3820
02:38:00,720 --> 02:38:05,760
consultants. If council would like us to

3821
02:38:03,359 --> 02:38:08,319
look into those accusations that are

3822
02:38:05,760 --> 02:38:10,960
being made, uh, we could absolutely do

3823
02:38:08,319 --> 02:38:13,280
that. Uh I'm not interested in getting

3824
02:38:10,960 --> 02:38:15,920
into a debate at this point and I'm not

3825
02:38:13,280 --> 02:38:18,479
sure if that was the intent. However,

3826
02:38:15,920 --> 02:38:20,160
components like um that staff reports

3827
02:38:18,479 --> 02:38:21,840
didn't accurately portray developer

3828
02:38:20,160 --> 02:38:23,760
feedback. It would be nice to know where

3829
02:38:21,840 --> 02:38:26,399
specifically where that concern is

3830
02:38:23,760 --> 02:38:28,160
raised from relative to the many

3831
02:38:26,399 --> 02:38:30,080
examples and opportunities where we did

3832
02:38:28,160 --> 02:38:31,840
engage specifically the development

3833
02:38:30,080 --> 02:38:34,000
community in a very intentional and

3834
02:38:31,840 --> 02:38:36,720
comprehensive way with a plan that was

3835
02:38:34,000 --> 02:38:40,160
endorsed by council. um the desire for a

3836
02:38:36,720 --> 02:38:43,520
ro more robust engagement um that is

3837
02:38:40,160 --> 02:38:45,680
always an option. The uh engagement can

3838
02:38:43,520 --> 02:38:47,520
be enhanced with the understanding that

3839
02:38:45,680 --> 02:38:49,520
that is a service level increase and

3840
02:38:47,520 --> 02:38:52,479
would require the resources in order to

3841
02:38:49,520 --> 02:38:54,399
provide that service level increase. So

3842
02:38:52,479 --> 02:38:56,080
in the future, if council wants us to go

3843
02:38:54,399 --> 02:38:57,520
back on this one, we can definitely do

3844
02:38:56,080 --> 02:38:59,760
that, but it will require rep

3845
02:38:57,520 --> 02:39:01,439
prioritization of 2026 work plan items

3846
02:38:59,760 --> 02:39:04,000
as well as the resources necessary to

3847
02:39:01,439 --> 02:39:05,920
undertake that work as a priority item.

3848
02:39:04,000 --> 02:39:07,680
In regard to consultants not having

3849
02:39:05,920 --> 02:39:10,240
sufficient local knowledge on market

3850
02:39:07,680 --> 02:39:11,840
conditions, again, that is a significant

3851
02:39:10,240 --> 02:39:13,600
uh comment and commentary on

3852
02:39:11,840 --> 02:39:15,439
professional firms that we rely on in

3853
02:39:13,600 --> 02:39:17,200
order to inform these policy decisions.

3854
02:39:15,439 --> 02:39:19,280
So council can make the informed

3855
02:39:17,200 --> 02:39:22,399
decision. If council would like us to

3856
02:39:19,280 --> 02:39:23,680
look into a separate validation process,

3857
02:39:22,399 --> 02:39:25,439
um that is something that we would

3858
02:39:23,680 --> 02:39:26,479
require direction on and that is

3859
02:39:25,439 --> 02:39:28,080
absolutely something that we could

3860
02:39:26,479 --> 02:39:30,720
undertake if council shares those

3861
02:39:28,080 --> 02:39:33,439
concerns. As far as the technical

3862
02:39:30,720 --> 02:39:36,080
questions in regards to um whether or

3863
02:39:33,439 --> 02:39:37,280
not we can trim the project list, um I

3864
02:39:36,080 --> 02:39:38,800
have projects in town that would not

3865
02:39:37,280 --> 02:39:40,960
have been built if rates had been cut.

3866
02:39:38,800 --> 02:39:43,040
Um that is a very hard thing to cast

3867
02:39:40,960 --> 02:39:44,880
back on and to validate those kinds of

3868
02:39:43,040 --> 02:39:46,399
comments. Uh, so I'm not sure if we're

3869
02:39:44,880 --> 02:39:49,280
going to be able to answer that for

3870
02:39:46,399 --> 02:39:50,880
council in regards to the shoo and the

3871
02:39:49,280 --> 02:39:52,880
legislation not providing the housing

3872
02:39:50,880 --> 02:39:54,000
projected. That's very challenging

3873
02:39:52,880 --> 02:39:56,080
because really that is what the

3874
02:39:54,000 --> 02:39:58,080
provincial government and their policy

3875
02:39:56,080 --> 02:40:00,000
analysts have deemed as one of the main

3876
02:39:58,080 --> 02:40:01,520
ways or primary ways of increasing

3877
02:40:00,000 --> 02:40:03,120
housing availability and dealing with

3878
02:40:01,520 --> 02:40:05,760
the housing crisis we're experiencing on

3879
02:40:03,120 --> 02:40:07,040
a province level. So I wonder where that

3880
02:40:05,760 --> 02:40:08,319
information is coming from and whether

3881
02:40:07,040 --> 02:40:09,920
or not the information has been shared

3882
02:40:08,319 --> 02:40:11,920
with the province. If that is really the

3883
02:40:09,920 --> 02:40:13,600
reality, it means the provincial policy

3884
02:40:11,920 --> 02:40:15,200
approach to this is not effective on

3885
02:40:13,600 --> 02:40:17,600
whole, or at least that's what the

3886
02:40:15,200 --> 02:40:20,160
assertion is in a comment like that. Um,

3887
02:40:17,600 --> 02:40:21,680
with that, I will pass it over to Nancy

3888
02:40:20,160 --> 02:40:24,080
Henderson to talk about some of the

3889
02:40:21,680 --> 02:40:25,520
technical aspects, but if council would

3890
02:40:24,080 --> 02:40:27,920
like to provide direction on those other

3891
02:40:25,520 --> 02:40:29,680
items to conduct investigations into the

3892
02:40:27,920 --> 02:40:31,520
professional conduct and information of

3893
02:40:29,680 --> 02:40:35,479
our staff and third party consultants,

3894
02:40:31,520 --> 02:40:35,479
please go ahead and do so.

3895
02:40:37,280 --> 02:40:41,359
uh through the chair. I guess it's in

3896
02:40:38,960 --> 02:40:45,200
terms of the growth projections. Uh we

3897
02:40:41,359 --> 02:40:48,240
use the 2024 BC stats data to form uh

3898
02:40:45,200 --> 02:40:50,160
the basis of our projections. Uh we did

3899
02:40:48,240 --> 02:40:53,840
review this project's been going on

3900
02:40:50,160 --> 02:40:56,479
since then. Um we did review the 25 uh

3901
02:40:53,840 --> 02:40:58,880
BC stats projections for the city which

3902
02:40:56,479 --> 02:41:02,080
have actually decreased slightly because

3903
02:40:58,880 --> 02:41:05,200
of the immigration policy as as noted.

3904
02:41:02,080 --> 02:41:07,600
Um however the impact of changing the

3905
02:41:05,200 --> 02:41:09,520
projections to the 2025 projections

3906
02:41:07,600 --> 02:41:12,720
would have actually increased the amount

3907
02:41:09,520 --> 02:41:15,840
of the ACC. So we elected to stick with

3908
02:41:12,720 --> 02:41:18,640
the 2024 uh projections for that

3909
02:41:15,840 --> 02:41:20,240
purpose. Um they are fairly conservative

3910
02:41:18,640 --> 02:41:21,760
projections. We certainly weren't using

3911
02:41:20,240 --> 02:41:22,640
like the housing need reports or

3912
02:41:21,760 --> 02:41:25,200
something that's a little more

3913
02:41:22,640 --> 02:41:28,160
aspirational at a higher housing rate.

3914
02:41:25,200 --> 02:41:30,160
Um when we went through uh for each land

3915
02:41:28,160 --> 02:41:32,000
use category, we need to allocate the

3916
02:41:30,160 --> 02:41:35,439
different type of development we project

3917
02:41:32,000 --> 02:41:38,000
to see over 20 the next 20 years. Um the

3918
02:41:35,439 --> 02:41:41,040
amount that was allocated to the low

3919
02:41:38,000 --> 02:41:43,840
density amount where you know that's

3920
02:41:41,040 --> 02:41:46,319
most of the shoo housing falls into that

3921
02:41:43,840 --> 02:41:50,880
um is actually a very low number. Uh so

3922
02:41:46,319 --> 02:41:53,200
it wasn't using uh the province's shoo

3923
02:41:50,880 --> 02:41:55,280
projections that we've used in other

3924
02:41:53,200 --> 02:41:57,520
studies and aspects. So I know sometimes

3925
02:41:55,280 --> 02:41:59,280
there might be a bit of confusion there

3926
02:41:57,520 --> 02:42:01,920
because we have uh used those

3927
02:41:59,280 --> 02:42:04,399
projections in in other work but it was

3928
02:42:01,920 --> 02:42:07,200
a I think about a 10% allocation to the

3929
02:42:04,399 --> 02:42:09,600
low density charge. Um once you get into

3930
02:42:07,200 --> 02:42:12,319
like duplexes and plexes they do fit

3931
02:42:09,600 --> 02:42:14,880
that townhouse charge but as do uh

3932
02:42:12,319 --> 02:42:16,240
larger townhouse developments. Uh so I

3933
02:42:14,880 --> 02:42:18,080
hope that helps with the understanding

3934
02:42:16,240 --> 02:42:20,399
of the decision- making because we're

3935
02:42:18,080 --> 02:42:22,160
balancing the count the developer

3936
02:42:20,399 --> 02:42:23,760
feedback of not wanting to increase

3937
02:42:22,160 --> 02:42:27,040
rates with the decision- making

3938
02:42:23,760 --> 02:42:29,680
regarding the projections and as we know

3939
02:42:27,040 --> 02:42:31,600
markets do change and with those market

3940
02:42:29,680 --> 02:42:34,399
changes like so does population

3941
02:42:31,600 --> 02:42:36,880
projections change and it is a 20-year

3942
02:42:34,399 --> 02:42:38,640
study. So if you're to look backwards uh

3943
02:42:36,880 --> 02:42:41,680
20 years we're you know we're kind of in

3944
02:42:38,640 --> 02:42:45,040
line. We're a very um high growth high

3945
02:42:41,680 --> 02:42:46,880
demand area as well. Uh so we wanted to

3946
02:42:45,040 --> 02:42:49,359
not increase the rates anymore because

3947
02:42:46,880 --> 02:42:52,479
the the land use economist that did do

3948
02:42:49,359 --> 02:42:54,800
the analysis was very clear uh to keep

3949
02:42:52,479 --> 02:42:56,880
the rates no higher than where they were

3950
02:42:54,800 --> 02:42:59,439
when we did the engagement back in the

3951
02:42:56,880 --> 02:43:02,560
summer. Um, so we've really focused on

3952
02:42:59,439 --> 02:43:06,040
that uh and keeping them sort of at that

3953
02:43:02,560 --> 02:43:06,040
consistent rate.

3954
02:43:08,800 --> 02:43:12,600
» And uh, yeah,

3955
02:43:13,120 --> 02:43:18,319
» Thanks, Mayor. I I just want to clarify,

3956
02:43:15,280 --> 02:43:21,600
thanks to staff for those responses. It

3957
02:43:18,319 --> 02:43:24,560
certainly wasn't my intent to uh attack

3958
02:43:21,600 --> 02:43:27,359
or challenge the qualifications uh of

3959
02:43:24,560 --> 02:43:29,120
staff or or consultants, but merely to

3960
02:43:27,359 --> 02:43:33,920
to share opinions that had been

3961
02:43:29,120 --> 02:43:36,800
expressed um in in um the consultations

3962
02:43:33,920 --> 02:43:39,920
that took place uh where primarily the

3963
02:43:36,800 --> 02:43:42,319
feeling was that uh uh these changes are

3964
02:43:39,920 --> 02:43:45,920
going to have a significant impact on

3965
02:43:42,319 --> 02:43:48,080
the uh um the housing targets that we

3966
02:43:45,920 --> 02:43:52,600
have and and the ability of our local

3967
02:43:48,080 --> 02:43:52,600
builders to achieve them. Thanks.

3968
02:43:52,960 --> 02:43:56,080
» Thanks for that clarification, Councelor

3969
02:43:54,960 --> 02:43:57,600
Hill and Mr. Gar.

3970
02:43:56,080 --> 02:44:00,080
» Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Through to council

3971
02:43:57,600 --> 02:44:02,399
as a whole. Um, you know, we and our

3972
02:44:00,080 --> 02:44:04,399
professional work that we do are acting

3973
02:44:02,399 --> 02:44:06,800
on council's direction and as you heard

3974
02:44:04,399 --> 02:44:09,439
earlier today about the desires to

3975
02:44:06,800 --> 02:44:11,840
manage the costs to the community. We

3976
02:44:09,439 --> 02:44:14,080
have a limited number of opportunities

3977
02:44:11,840 --> 02:44:15,680
and the province has significantly

3978
02:44:14,080 --> 02:44:17,520
altered what's accessible to

3979
02:44:15,680 --> 02:44:19,040
municipalities. And in the past, a

3980
02:44:17,520 --> 02:44:22,080
number of these amenities would actually

3981
02:44:19,040 --> 02:44:25,920
been levered out of uh development

3982
02:44:22,080 --> 02:44:29,520
applications. And so we only have a we

3983
02:44:25,920 --> 02:44:31,439
actually have a limited tools now that

3984
02:44:29,520 --> 02:44:33,359
we can work through on this. And these

3985
02:44:31,439 --> 02:44:34,640
what's come forward is what council has

3986
02:44:33,359 --> 02:44:38,000
identified as these sort of priorities

3987
02:44:34,640 --> 02:44:39,760
for us. Um

3988
02:44:38,000 --> 02:44:41,520
we can appreciate there's entrepreneurs

3989
02:44:39,760 --> 02:44:44,080
that are investing in this community and

3990
02:44:41,520 --> 02:44:45,680
have for many years. uh and we wouldn't

3991
02:44:44,080 --> 02:44:46,880
be in a position to have any kind of

3992
02:44:45,680 --> 02:44:48,720
housing unless people built those

3993
02:44:46,880 --> 02:44:50,560
houses. So it's it's a really ch it's a

3994
02:44:48,720 --> 02:44:54,000
very very difficult challenge in front

3995
02:44:50,560 --> 02:44:56,399
of us. Um

3996
02:44:54,000 --> 02:44:58,240
I would say that uh particularly with

3997
02:44:56,399 --> 02:45:00,080
the ACC's our our director of

3998
02:44:58,240 --> 02:45:01,600
development services uh our previous

3999
02:45:00,080 --> 02:45:03,520
director of development services

4000
02:45:01,600 --> 02:45:06,880
insisted that we have an economic

4001
02:45:03,520 --> 02:45:08,720
analysis as it relates to these ACCs.

4002
02:45:06,880 --> 02:45:10,240
uh other communities in the valley that

4003
02:45:08,720 --> 02:45:12,479
have brought forward ECC's have not

4004
02:45:10,240 --> 02:45:14,160
undertaken that work and so we we

4005
02:45:12,479 --> 02:45:17,359
actually took that extra step and so

4006
02:45:14,160 --> 02:45:19,520
again if this if the outcome of the work

4007
02:45:17,359 --> 02:45:21,760
um from third party consultants is is

4008
02:45:19,520 --> 02:45:23,520
actually insufficient um it's a step

4009
02:45:21,760 --> 02:45:25,840
that we actually took recognizing how

4010
02:45:23,520 --> 02:45:28,880
impactful these could be and council may

4011
02:45:25,840 --> 02:45:31,120
recall that um the uh levies that we

4012
02:45:28,880 --> 02:45:32,880
were trying to do around other amenities

4013
02:45:31,120 --> 02:45:35,520
you know have been have been also very

4014
02:45:32,880 --> 02:45:37,760
challenging in the community

4015
02:45:35,520 --> 02:45:40,720
so So I I [clears throat] offer that we

4016
02:45:37,760 --> 02:45:42,479
find ourselves in a situation um where

4017
02:45:40,720 --> 02:45:45,040
is growth going to proceed? Is this

4018
02:45:42,479 --> 02:45:48,160
going to impact growth? We also am now

4019
02:45:45,040 --> 02:45:51,439
absorbing the concept and the shared

4020
02:45:48,160 --> 02:45:54,080
understanding that CFP Comox and its

4021
02:45:51,439 --> 02:45:55,760
expansion is actually going to now have

4022
02:45:54,080 --> 02:45:57,760
actually known pressure inside the

4023
02:45:55,760 --> 02:45:59,600
community. So we most of our development

4024
02:45:57,760 --> 02:46:02,640
growth is was kind of unknown and we

4025
02:45:59,600 --> 02:46:03,840
react but um and lots of discussions

4026
02:46:02,640 --> 02:46:05,600
have been happening and we know at a

4027
02:46:03,840 --> 02:46:06,960
minimum you know these kinds of this

4028
02:46:05,600 --> 02:46:10,880
kind of job growth is going to be there

4029
02:46:06,960 --> 02:46:13,279
which will require the housing and so um

4030
02:46:10,880 --> 02:46:15,120
you know I offer that having projections

4031
02:46:13,279 --> 02:46:17,040
are extremely challenging at the best of

4032
02:46:15,120 --> 02:46:19,760
times and now we have this combination

4033
02:46:17,040 --> 02:46:21,120
of potential economic changes but at the

4034
02:46:19,760 --> 02:46:23,439
same time we know there's going to be

4035
02:46:21,120 --> 02:46:24,960
direct investment in a jurisdiction

4036
02:46:23,439 --> 02:46:26,640
that's going to directly impact the city

4037
02:46:24,960 --> 02:46:28,720
of Courtney and needed housing. And so

4038
02:46:26,640 --> 02:46:30,399
we're working as best we can with the

4039
02:46:28,720 --> 02:46:34,399
development community balancing the

4040
02:46:30,399 --> 02:46:36,720
costs and needs uh to address this new

4041
02:46:34,399 --> 02:46:38,640
growth in the community. And uh at this

4042
02:46:36,720 --> 02:46:40,880
point, you know, your staff have

4043
02:46:38,640 --> 02:46:43,200
provided to you and and I've endorsed a

4044
02:46:40,880 --> 02:46:44,560
report to take forward. Council can

4045
02:46:43,200 --> 02:46:47,359
provide us with political direction in

4046
02:46:44,560 --> 02:46:49,439
this regard and we'll respond. And I

4047
02:46:47,359 --> 02:46:51,120
would say the timing of this work

4048
02:46:49,439 --> 02:46:54,399
relative to what's about to happen in

4049
02:46:51,120 --> 02:46:56,000
November. And I will say that if we get

4050
02:46:54,399 --> 02:46:57,760
alternative direction to do significant

4051
02:46:56,000 --> 02:47:00,640
amount of work, we are butdding up right

4052
02:46:57,760 --> 02:47:04,319
up against the next coming changes. And

4053
02:47:00,640 --> 02:47:07,760
so with the uh issues at hand, it would

4054
02:47:04,319 --> 02:47:10,800
be um important work that we would have

4055
02:47:07,760 --> 02:47:12,319
to prioritize uh in the next very short

4056
02:47:10,800 --> 02:47:15,359
period of time and it would be likely

4057
02:47:12,319 --> 02:47:17,279
very difficult uh to adjust that. Having

4058
02:47:15,359 --> 02:47:18,560
said that though,

4059
02:47:17,279 --> 02:47:20,160
clear direction has been given to

4060
02:47:18,560 --> 02:47:22,479
council to stay on top of these things

4061
02:47:20,160 --> 02:47:26,560
to make that make sure they're accurate,

4062
02:47:22,479 --> 02:47:29,439
timely, um and um at the cutting edge of

4063
02:47:26,560 --> 02:47:31,279
what development is needed. Um we have

4064
02:47:29,439 --> 02:47:33,600
uh a number of needs inside the

4065
02:47:31,279 --> 02:47:36,800
community that primarily this amenity

4066
02:47:33,600 --> 02:47:39,920
cost charges um related to the outdoor

4067
02:47:36,800 --> 02:47:42,160
pool if uh what has been presented to

4068
02:47:39,920 --> 02:47:44,240
council has been adjusted because of the

4069
02:47:42,160 --> 02:47:46,560
cost of the pool. And so we will have to

4070
02:47:44,240 --> 02:47:48,720
re-engage uh and understand those things

4071
02:47:46,560 --> 02:47:51,279
because there are important community

4072
02:47:48,720 --> 02:47:53,200
growth impacted amenities um that are

4073
02:47:51,279 --> 02:47:54,800
not included in this recognizing the

4074
02:47:53,200 --> 02:47:56,720
fact that there is this you know big

4075
02:47:54,800 --> 02:47:59,200
priority project. So this is a

4076
02:47:56,720 --> 02:48:00,960
long-winded way of saying that what's in

4077
02:47:59,200 --> 02:48:03,279
front of council reflects what council

4078
02:48:00,960 --> 02:48:05,120
has asked us to do. It's consistent with

4079
02:48:03,279 --> 02:48:06,640
our capital projects. It's consistent

4080
02:48:05,120 --> 02:48:08,080
with our strategic priorities. It's

4081
02:48:06,640 --> 02:48:10,000
consistent with what the community plan

4082
02:48:08,080 --> 02:48:11,840
has asked us for. and it responds to

4083
02:48:10,000 --> 02:48:14,640
what the provincial direction has been

4084
02:48:11,840 --> 02:48:19,000
and our staff serve at your direction

4085
02:48:14,640 --> 02:48:19,000
and uh we will ultimately take that.

4086
02:48:19,439 --> 02:48:22,960
Thanks Mr. Garvid and I think one of the

4087
02:48:21,200 --> 02:48:24,880
other comments was if it's not on the

4088
02:48:22,960 --> 02:48:27,120
list we also can't apply for grants for

4089
02:48:24,880 --> 02:48:28,640
it either. So um that's one of the one

4090
02:48:27,120 --> 02:48:30,479
of the challenges if it goes off the

4091
02:48:28,640 --> 02:48:33,760
list then I believe that that was

4092
02:48:30,479 --> 02:48:38,640
another um thing Mr. Garbett

4093
02:48:33,760 --> 02:48:40,399
sorry Mr. Uh we uh typically any grants

4094
02:48:38,640 --> 02:48:42,240
require you know matching budget funds

4095
02:48:40,399 --> 02:48:45,359
but no it does would not have to be in

4096
02:48:42,240 --> 02:48:47,680
an ACC list for us to apply for a grant

4097
02:48:45,359 --> 02:48:50,000
and staff could correct me if I've

4098
02:48:47,680 --> 02:48:51,040
answered incorrectly.

4099
02:48:50,000 --> 02:48:52,720
» All right.

4100
02:48:51,040 --> 02:48:54,640
» I think Mr. Mayor what you're referring

4101
02:48:52,720 --> 02:48:58,080
to is the promise from the federal

4102
02:48:54,640 --> 02:49:01,200
government to provide um relief around

4103
02:48:58,080 --> 02:49:02,960
DCC and ACC costs to developers. Yeah.

4104
02:49:01,200 --> 02:49:04,800
the policy approach or the policy

4105
02:49:02,960 --> 02:49:07,439
options as to how that money will flow,

4106
02:49:04,800 --> 02:49:09,120
who it'll flow to, what it will cover,

4107
02:49:07,439 --> 02:49:10,880
and whether or not a cost sharing

4108
02:49:09,120 --> 02:49:12,240
approach will be included has not been

4109
02:49:10,880 --> 02:49:15,120
announced. We don't have any early

4110
02:49:12,240 --> 02:49:16,880
indications at this time. However, if

4111
02:49:15,120 --> 02:49:19,200
the plan, if the federal government, as

4112
02:49:16,880 --> 02:49:21,520
they've stated, is to offset the cost of

4113
02:49:19,200 --> 02:49:23,120
DCC's. Not having a project on the list

4114
02:49:21,520 --> 02:49:25,200
would likely make that project

4115
02:49:23,120 --> 02:49:26,000
ineligible to access that federal

4116
02:49:25,200 --> 02:49:27,680
funding.

4117
02:49:26,000 --> 02:49:29,680
» Yeah. And and that's kind of how I'm

4118
02:49:27,680 --> 02:49:32,399
interpreting it as well. So, you know,

4119
02:49:29,680 --> 02:49:35,120
again, it's a bit of an unknown, but uh

4120
02:49:32,399 --> 02:49:38,560
definitely uh big moves coming uh later

4121
02:49:35,120 --> 02:49:40,800
this year. So, uh Oh, yeah. No, Mr.

4122
02:49:38,560 --> 02:49:43,200
Garin, also want to clarify, the topic

4123
02:49:40,800 --> 02:49:45,279
of discussion is amenity cost charges,

4124
02:49:43,200 --> 02:49:46,560
not development cost charges, and the

4125
02:49:45,279 --> 02:49:49,600
federal government didn't talk about

4126
02:49:46,560 --> 02:49:52,880
funding ACC's. So, just to keep keep us

4127
02:49:49,600 --> 02:49:55,359
on uh on the uh matter on the agenda.

4128
02:49:52,880 --> 02:49:56,560
» Thanks. Thanks for that clarification,

4129
02:49:55,359 --> 02:49:59,200
Council Moore.

4130
02:49:56,560 --> 02:50:01,920
» Great. Thanks, Mayor. Um my question is

4131
02:49:59,200 --> 02:50:04,640
around the grace period not the instream

4132
02:50:01,920 --> 02:50:10,000
protection. Um so I heard you say that

4133
02:50:04,640 --> 02:50:13,520
when when and if it comes back um the

4134
02:50:10,000 --> 02:50:18,000
bylaw would be enacted but we could

4135
02:50:13,520 --> 02:50:20,800
delay the when it's enacted. Is that is

4136
02:50:18,000 --> 02:50:23,120
that correct?

4137
02:50:20,800 --> 02:50:26,319
» Through the chair. Uh it is possible for

4138
02:50:23,120 --> 02:50:29,760
a council to adopt a bylaw and set a

4139
02:50:26,319 --> 02:50:31,359
date for when it becomes uh the charges

4140
02:50:29,760 --> 02:50:33,040
become in effect.

4141
02:50:31,359 --> 02:50:34,160
» Uh that could be beyond the date of

4142
02:50:33,040 --> 02:50:36,240
adoption. Okay.

4143
02:50:34,160 --> 02:50:37,840
» And that's an option for council. Uh

4144
02:50:36,240 --> 02:50:39,760
just keeping in mind the instream

4145
02:50:37,840 --> 02:50:43,200
protection is from the date of adoption,

4146
02:50:39,760 --> 02:50:45,760
not the date of the great grace period.

4147
02:50:43,200 --> 02:50:47,840
» The date Oh, from the date of adoption.

4148
02:50:45,760 --> 02:50:50,479
» Okay.

4149
02:50:47,840 --> 02:50:53,200
All right. I just was trying to think of

4150
02:50:50,479 --> 02:50:54,479
a way that we could maybe extend the the

4151
02:50:53,200 --> 02:50:56,720
grace period, but doesn't look like

4152
02:50:54,479 --> 02:51:00,399
that'll fit. Thanks.

4153
02:50:56,720 --> 02:51:03,600
» Thanks, Council Warren and Councelor Fr.

4154
02:51:00,399 --> 02:51:05,840
» Yeah, thanks, Mayor. Um, yeah, I'll just

4155
02:51:03,600 --> 02:51:08,240
highlight that. Um,

4156
02:51:05,840 --> 02:51:09,920
I mean, this issue

4157
02:51:08,240 --> 02:51:11,680
has input from so many different

4158
02:51:09,920 --> 02:51:14,160
perspectives. You know, us at the table,

4159
02:51:11,680 --> 02:51:15,439
we see it differently than um the

4160
02:51:14,160 --> 02:51:16,960
construction industry. We see it

4161
02:51:15,439 --> 02:51:19,200
differently than staff. we see it

4162
02:51:16,960 --> 02:51:21,760
differently than people who already own

4163
02:51:19,200 --> 02:51:24,479
a house versus people who want to buy a

4164
02:51:21,760 --> 02:51:27,200
house. So, uh, our job obviously is to

4165
02:51:24,479 --> 02:51:29,200
balance that all out. And, um, yeah,

4166
02:51:27,200 --> 02:51:30,800
there's I don't think anyone's pointing

4167
02:51:29,200 --> 02:51:32,160
fingers. It's just everyone has a

4168
02:51:30,800 --> 02:51:35,680
different perspective and we all have to

4169
02:51:32,160 --> 02:51:38,560
figure out what the solution is. Um

4170
02:51:35,680 --> 02:51:44,000
I'm wondering if we have an ACC project

4171
02:51:38,560 --> 02:51:47,200
and um we don't collect enough money for

4172
02:51:44,000 --> 02:51:49,040
it and then you know down the road we go

4173
02:51:47,200 --> 02:51:53,200
well maybe we're just not going to do

4174
02:51:49,040 --> 02:51:54,960
that. What what happens to that money

4175
02:51:53,200 --> 02:51:57,840
through the chair? I mean the money the

4176
02:51:54,960 --> 02:52:01,200
money would just stay in the ACC reserve

4177
02:51:57,840 --> 02:52:03,840
and be directed to other projects. Uh it

4178
02:52:01,200 --> 02:52:06,640
is possible to advance a project before

4179
02:52:03,840 --> 02:52:09,120
you have money to pay for it all, but

4180
02:52:06,640 --> 02:52:12,000
then that project would stay on the ACC

4181
02:52:09,120 --> 02:52:14,640
list until the funds were received. So a

4182
02:52:12,000 --> 02:52:17,040
project could be on the list for 20 or

4183
02:52:14,640 --> 02:52:19,200
or longer years uh if growth was slower

4184
02:52:17,040 --> 02:52:21,120
than anticipated and then once it that

4185
02:52:19,200 --> 02:52:23,120
project's been paid for then it would

4186
02:52:21,120 --> 02:52:25,120
come off the list, right? Um, I think

4187
02:52:23,120 --> 02:52:27,520
it's also important to note that like

4188
02:52:25,120 --> 02:52:29,680
should the city receive funding, grant

4189
02:52:27,520 --> 02:52:31,760
funding for example, you should be doing

4190
02:52:29,680 --> 02:52:34,399
an amendment to the bylaw to reflect

4191
02:52:31,760 --> 02:52:36,640
that funding uh because that could also

4192
02:52:34,399 --> 02:52:39,279
decrease the cost would decrease the

4193
02:52:36,640 --> 02:52:41,600
cost of the ACC and it's something that

4194
02:52:39,279 --> 02:52:43,760
is a best practice and it's not always

4195
02:52:41,600 --> 02:52:45,439
followed. So, you know, considering the

4196
02:52:43,760 --> 02:52:47,200
market conditions that are in right now,

4197
02:52:45,439 --> 02:52:49,040
if there's a commitment to apply for

4198
02:52:47,200 --> 02:52:50,880
funding and you get that funding, you

4199
02:52:49,040 --> 02:52:53,200
know, committing to make sure that that

4200
02:52:50,880 --> 02:52:54,880
administrative work is done, I'm sure it

4201
02:52:53,200 --> 02:52:56,560
would be also important to the

4202
02:52:54,880 --> 02:52:58,560
development community.

4203
02:52:56,560 --> 02:53:00,479
» And then that applies to DCC's all

4204
02:52:58,560 --> 02:53:02,000
everything you just said.

4205
02:53:00,479 --> 02:53:05,279
» Yeah, the chair. Yes, it does.

4206
02:53:02,000 --> 02:53:07,680
» Okay, great. Um, I guess I'm interested

4207
02:53:05,279 --> 02:53:11,359
in maybe looking at the assist factor

4208
02:53:07,680 --> 02:53:12,880
and what what that could mean. Um I

4209
02:53:11,359 --> 02:53:15,520
don't know the numbers off the top of my

4210
02:53:12,880 --> 02:53:18,399
head but um you know could we say well

4211
02:53:15,520 --> 02:53:20,479
for the next two years uh considering

4212
02:53:18,399 --> 02:53:23,520
the you know economic climate we'd like

4213
02:53:20,479 --> 02:53:25,439
to provide a 20% assist factor which

4214
02:53:23,520 --> 02:53:28,560
would essentially lower what we bringing

4215
02:53:25,439 --> 02:53:30,399
in in for ACC's is is that something we

4216
02:53:28,560 --> 02:53:32,960
need to would that be a lot of work to

4217
02:53:30,399 --> 02:53:34,560
figure out what those numbers are

4218
02:53:32,960 --> 02:53:37,200
» Uh through the chair the assist factor

4219
02:53:34,560 --> 02:53:40,399
is council's tool you know to reduce the

4220
02:53:37,200 --> 02:53:42,560
impact of ACC's you know The effect is

4221
02:53:40,399 --> 02:53:45,040
the assist factor amount that it would

4222
02:53:42,560 --> 02:53:47,760
lower the ACC ends up being a burden on

4223
02:53:45,040 --> 02:53:50,240
the existing tax base. So as long as you

4224
02:53:47,760 --> 02:53:53,439
recognize that that is a a tool council

4225
02:53:50,240 --> 02:53:55,680
has and you could phase it in um you

4226
02:53:53,439 --> 02:53:58,720
could say in year one it's a 20%, year

4227
02:53:55,680 --> 02:54:01,120
two it's 15% you know and so on. Um and

4228
02:53:58,720 --> 02:54:03,279
then the cost of that uh you know staff

4229
02:54:01,120 --> 02:54:05,279
could potentially report back on the

4230
02:54:03,279 --> 02:54:08,080
impacts. So we don't have to do mental

4231
02:54:05,279 --> 02:54:10,479
math tonight but just in terms of uh you

4232
02:54:08,080 --> 02:54:13,439
know looking at the impact to that would

4233
02:54:10,479 --> 02:54:15,760
be put on the municipal responsibility.

4234
02:54:13,439 --> 02:54:17,120
Uh that is an option to council.

4235
02:54:15,760 --> 02:54:19,200
» Yeah. And if and if we did something

4236
02:54:17,120 --> 02:54:22,000
like that and it turns out that this was

4237
02:54:19,200 --> 02:54:24,720
a great boon for development and would

4238
02:54:22,000 --> 02:54:27,760
we could we in essence collect more in

4239
02:54:24,720 --> 02:54:31,040
ACC's than we plan to um or does the

4240
02:54:27,760 --> 02:54:34,399
number just I mean do we reach our 80%

4241
02:54:31,040 --> 02:54:36,080
of their allotted responsibility

4242
02:54:34,399 --> 02:54:37,680
knowing that we're covering 20 and then

4243
02:54:36,080 --> 02:54:40,000
we just stop we just take it off the

4244
02:54:37,680 --> 02:54:41,359
list and say we've collected money or I

4245
02:54:40,000 --> 02:54:43,040
assume it wouldn't be down to the

4246
02:54:41,359 --> 02:54:44,399
project like that anyways would it?

4247
02:54:43,040 --> 02:54:46,560
Yeah, through the chair. I mean, this is

4248
02:54:44,399 --> 02:54:48,399
why it's important to update these

4249
02:54:46,560 --> 02:54:50,160
charges regularly and look at what

4250
02:54:48,399 --> 02:54:52,319
you're collecting and do development

4251
02:54:50,160 --> 02:54:55,120
projections and as you do cost estimates

4252
02:54:52,319 --> 02:54:56,880
on these projects to also update the

4253
02:54:55,120 --> 02:54:59,520
costs because these are basically

4254
02:54:56,880 --> 02:55:01,600
highlevel cost estimates. Once they get

4255
02:54:59,520 --> 02:55:03,920
accurate, the project costs might go up,

4256
02:55:01,600 --> 02:55:05,840
it might go down, but that does impact

4257
02:55:03,920 --> 02:55:07,680
uh the charge overall. So these should

4258
02:55:05,840 --> 02:55:10,240
be like living you should be paying

4259
02:55:07,680 --> 02:55:12,240
attention uh to the cost to the

4260
02:55:10,240 --> 02:55:17,120
development projections and making

4261
02:55:12,240 --> 02:55:18,880
adjustments um often the DCC uh because

4262
02:55:17,120 --> 02:55:21,920
you're going to the inspector

4263
02:55:18,880 --> 02:55:24,160
municipalities and it's quite a process

4264
02:55:21,920 --> 02:55:26,000
uh they tend to be you know a little bit

4265
02:55:24,160 --> 02:55:28,000
longer. years got a little bit too long

4266
02:55:26,000 --> 02:55:29,920
in all honesty, but like in that sort of

4267
02:55:28,000 --> 02:55:32,080
3 to four year timeline for a major

4268
02:55:29,920 --> 02:55:33,840
review, if you get a huge grant, you

4269
02:55:32,080 --> 02:55:35,680
should you should do that minor

4270
02:55:33,840 --> 02:55:37,279
amendment and the ministry deals with

4271
02:55:35,680 --> 02:55:39,760
that differently. But when you're

4272
02:55:37,279 --> 02:55:41,840
talking about an ACC bylaw, it's just

4273
02:55:39,760 --> 02:55:44,720
like all the other CDs bylaws, and you

4274
02:55:41,840 --> 02:55:46,640
don't need that um approval from the

4275
02:55:44,720 --> 02:55:48,960
inspector, but you do need to do some

4276
02:55:46,640 --> 02:55:50,800
consultation. But I expect if you're

4277
02:55:48,960 --> 02:55:53,840
bringing forward a grant to reduce the

4278
02:55:50,800 --> 02:55:55,279
cost of the ACC, you know, the level of

4279
02:55:53,840 --> 02:55:57,279
engagement for something like that

4280
02:55:55,279 --> 02:56:00,000
should be quite minor.

4281
02:55:57,279 --> 02:56:03,680
» Yeah. I guess my thinking then back back

4282
02:56:00,000 --> 02:56:06,240
to the assist factor is that um our

4283
02:56:03,680 --> 02:56:10,720
development community is telling us that

4284
02:56:06,240 --> 02:56:13,920
uh projects might not be financially

4285
02:56:10,720 --> 02:56:16,080
possible or won't be funded by banks.

4286
02:56:13,920 --> 02:56:18,371
Banks will see the projects as

4287
02:56:16,080 --> 02:56:18,640
unfundable.

4288
02:56:18,371 --> 02:56:21,920
» [clears throat]

4289
02:56:18,640 --> 02:56:24,000
» And um yeah, it's hard it's hard to

4290
02:56:21,920 --> 02:56:25,920
know. I mean, I would assume they know

4291
02:56:24,000 --> 02:56:28,720
or they feel like they know. And um

4292
02:56:25,920 --> 02:56:32,399
yeah, it's hard to to decide how much

4293
02:56:28,720 --> 02:56:34,960
support to give to that industry. Um but

4294
02:56:32,399 --> 02:56:37,120
I'd be interested in in in getting some

4295
02:56:34,960 --> 02:56:40,160
numbers back on assist factors for ACC.

4296
02:56:37,120 --> 02:56:42,640
And I guess my next question would be um

4297
02:56:40,160 --> 02:56:44,080
is that possible to do for DCC's if we

4298
02:56:42,640 --> 02:56:45,680
want to look at if we want to look at

4299
02:56:44,080 --> 02:56:47,279
that. I know we sent did we send that

4300
02:56:45,680 --> 02:56:49,520
off already because we gave it three

4301
02:56:47,279 --> 02:56:52,080
ratings, but is that an option that

4302
02:56:49,520 --> 02:56:53,920
council still has on that because I know

4303
02:56:52,080 --> 02:56:57,160
ACC's are a rather small part of this

4304
02:56:53,920 --> 02:56:57,160
whole thing.

4305
02:56:57,520 --> 02:57:04,560
» Right, Miss uh Okono. Um so just as u

4306
02:57:02,160 --> 02:57:07,200
NY's reference kind of the trade-off so

4307
02:57:04,560 --> 02:57:10,000
it's a bit like if you uh increase the

4308
02:57:07,200 --> 02:57:11,120
assist factor here um because the

4309
02:57:10,000 --> 02:57:12,960
development community would be paying

4310
02:57:11,120 --> 02:57:14,800
less you see an increase that would

4311
02:57:12,960 --> 02:57:16,960
correspond on the taxpayer side as far

4312
02:57:14,800 --> 02:57:19,359
as funding the plan that the city has

4313
02:57:16,960 --> 02:57:20,960
made in the capital program that council

4314
02:57:19,359 --> 02:57:23,520
has identified as important through the

4315
02:57:20,960 --> 02:57:25,200
engagement processes that we undertake.

4316
02:57:23,520 --> 02:57:27,120
My I would recommend to council if you

4317
02:57:25,200 --> 02:57:28,960
want to look at those considerations

4318
02:57:27,120 --> 02:57:31,600
that you do them in context with the

4319
02:57:28,960 --> 02:57:33,520
overall financial planning process and

4320
02:57:31,600 --> 02:57:36,160
really look first at the projects

4321
02:57:33,520 --> 02:57:38,560
themselves and then consider the funding

4322
02:57:36,160 --> 02:57:41,120
mechanism that you would prefer in order

4323
02:57:38,560 --> 02:57:43,680
to make those projects come to fruition.

4324
02:57:41,120 --> 02:57:46,000
It's very hard because the ACC bylaw

4325
02:57:43,680 --> 02:57:48,560
itself, similarly to the DCC bylaw, is a

4326
02:57:46,000 --> 02:57:51,279
mechanism to pay for the infrastructure

4327
02:57:48,560 --> 02:57:53,840
we need and the priorities that we have

4328
02:57:51,279 --> 02:57:56,880
been um provided direction from council

4329
02:57:53,840 --> 02:57:59,920
on. Really the big changes would stem

4330
02:57:56,880 --> 02:58:02,080
from changing priorities or changing the

4331
02:57:59,920 --> 02:58:04,000
plan the time horizon and things like

4332
02:58:02,080 --> 02:58:05,840
that. So really this isn't a

4333
02:58:04,000 --> 02:58:08,560
conversation that happens in isolation

4334
02:58:05,840 --> 02:58:10,800
related to this one mechanism. is part

4335
02:58:08,560 --> 02:58:12,880
of a bigger consideration planning

4336
02:58:10,800 --> 02:58:15,200
process and perspectives when it comes

4337
02:58:12,880 --> 02:58:17,439
to whether or not the projects are

4338
02:58:15,200 --> 02:58:19,920
necessary and who pays for those

4339
02:58:17,439 --> 02:58:23,439
projects based on who benefits the most

4340
02:58:19,920 --> 02:58:25,760
and where the burden can be borne. So,

4341
02:58:23,439 --> 02:58:27,840
um, happy to do the work, but I would

4342
02:58:25,760 --> 02:58:30,000
say out of the context of the longer

4343
02:58:27,840 --> 02:58:32,240
financial plan and the capital plans,

4344
02:58:30,000 --> 02:58:34,399
um, it's very problematic to see how an

4345
02:58:32,240 --> 02:58:36,160
action over here may cause challenges

4346
02:58:34,399 --> 02:58:38,160
for what council has already identified

4347
02:58:36,160 --> 02:58:39,520
around tax rates and sustainability in

4348
02:58:38,160 --> 02:58:40,960
the future, especially based on

4349
02:58:39,520 --> 02:58:43,200
conversations that have happened earlier

4350
02:58:40,960 --> 02:58:44,080
tonight and uh, previously in committees

4351
02:58:43,200 --> 02:58:44,960
as a whole when we were talking about

4352
02:58:44,080 --> 02:58:46,399
the budget.

4353
02:58:44,960 --> 02:58:48,399
» Yeah. Yeah, that's fair. Thanks for

4354
02:58:46,399 --> 02:58:51,439
that. I'll I'll digress and let others

4355
02:58:48,399 --> 02:58:51,920
speak. Thanks, Councelor F and Mr.

4356
02:58:51,439 --> 02:58:54,319
Corbett.

4357
02:58:51,920 --> 02:58:56,399
» Yeah. Thanks. Uh I just would to weigh

4358
02:58:54,319 --> 02:58:58,960
in ultimately we've done significant

4359
02:58:56,399 --> 02:59:00,640
amount of work. If if the issue is a cis

4360
02:58:58,960 --> 02:59:02,240
factor, we've actually asked council for

4361
02:59:00,640 --> 02:59:04,399
direction on that. That's that's not a

4362
02:59:02,240 --> 02:59:06,479
significant change. If it's removing

4363
02:59:04,399 --> 02:59:07,760
projects, there's there's significant

4364
02:59:06,479 --> 02:59:09,920
amount of work to do that. And then

4365
02:59:07,760 --> 02:59:11,840
there also is implications because some

4366
02:59:09,920 --> 02:59:13,920
of those projects may or may not

4367
02:59:11,840 --> 02:59:15,680
actually be directly related to

4368
02:59:13,920 --> 02:59:18,560
development that has frontage there. And

4369
02:59:15,680 --> 02:59:20,960
so sometimes we have development uh uh

4370
02:59:18,560 --> 02:59:22,399
development that has uh dcc credits

4371
02:59:20,960 --> 02:59:23,840
towards that. So I guess it would

4372
02:59:22,399 --> 02:59:25,840
suggest that council has given us

4373
02:59:23,840 --> 02:59:28,399
direction to go down a route. Uh if

4374
02:59:25,840 --> 02:59:31,040
we're talking about assist factor that's

4375
02:59:28,399 --> 02:59:34,240
a type of work talking about what is a

4376
02:59:31,040 --> 02:59:36,720
dcc project that's that's also important

4377
02:59:34,240 --> 02:59:37,840
work but at this time um you know we

4378
02:59:36,720 --> 02:59:39,359
we're looking for some really clear

4379
02:59:37,840 --> 02:59:42,720
direction from council in here to come

4380
02:59:39,359 --> 02:59:44,399
back on items. Uh remind council that we

4381
02:59:42,720 --> 02:59:46,000
worked regionally to try and coordinate

4382
02:59:44,399 --> 02:59:48,800
this as well. I understand actually

4383
02:59:46,000 --> 02:59:52,160
though the CVRD has adopted their sewer

4384
02:59:48,800 --> 02:59:53,840
DCC. Uh the intention was to kind of

4385
02:59:52,160 --> 02:59:55,600
coordinate this so it would all be

4386
02:59:53,840 --> 02:59:59,680
landing at the same time. So developers

4387
02:59:55,600 --> 03:00:02,479
would be um responding to um you know in

4388
02:59:59,680 --> 03:00:04,640
a comprehensive way but uh we we're just

4389
03:00:02,479 --> 03:00:07,760
already starting dcc calculations or

4390
03:00:04,640 --> 03:00:09,840
sorry there are they will be impacting

4391
03:00:07,760 --> 03:00:11,840
at a different time from a year from

4392
03:00:09,840 --> 03:00:13,359
now. We are not doing any different

4393
03:00:11,840 --> 03:00:16,399
calculations right at this point. My

4394
03:00:13,359 --> 03:00:17,760
apologies. Um so if if council can uh

4395
03:00:16,399 --> 03:00:20,960
let us know where you want to go, we the

4396
03:00:17,760 --> 03:00:22,800
staff can respond. Um, yeah, this is, as

4397
03:00:20,960 --> 03:00:24,960
I said in my long-winded discussion

4398
03:00:22,800 --> 03:00:27,600
around ACC's, it's not easy at this

4399
03:00:24,960 --> 03:00:31,359
point. And, uh, council, we're here to

4400
03:00:27,600 --> 03:00:33,359
get council direction on on this matter.

4401
03:00:31,359 --> 03:00:36,160
» Thanks, Mr. Garbett and Council

4402
03:00:33,359 --> 03:00:40,800
McCullen.

4403
03:00:36,160 --> 03:00:44,479
» Yeah, I mean, adding charges and

4404
03:00:40,800 --> 03:00:47,680
updating DCC's, I it's a major impact.

4405
03:00:44,479 --> 03:00:50,399
It's a major change. Um, as has been

4406
03:00:47,680 --> 03:00:53,040
highlighted already tonight, our DCC

4407
03:00:50,399 --> 03:00:55,920
bylaw was more than a decade out of date

4408
03:00:53,040 --> 03:00:59,680
and it really hasn't been adjusted to

4409
03:00:55,920 --> 03:01:03,279
meet the rising costs of what

4410
03:00:59,680 --> 03:01:06,080
what our capital demands are. Um, and

4411
03:01:03,279 --> 03:01:08,160
then I I don't know if we've lost sight

4412
03:01:06,080 --> 03:01:10,560
of this to a degree and in kind of

4413
03:01:08,160 --> 03:01:13,200
getting into the details of this, but

4414
03:01:10,560 --> 03:01:15,600
the ACC's were brought on by the

4415
03:01:13,200 --> 03:01:17,840
province to provide certainty around

4416
03:01:15,600 --> 03:01:22,000
development costs in order to get rid of

4417
03:01:17,840 --> 03:01:25,520
what was um, you know, amenity

4418
03:01:22,000 --> 03:01:30,399
contribution negotiations at resoning.

4419
03:01:25,520 --> 03:01:33,120
And what we've done instead is um

4420
03:01:30,399 --> 03:01:35,760
implemented a major change to our zoning

4421
03:01:33,120 --> 03:01:37,760
bylaw that allows for much more

4422
03:01:35,760 --> 03:01:41,040
development to occur on development

4423
03:01:37,760 --> 03:01:42,800
lots. And and this is the trade-off. And

4424
03:01:41,040 --> 03:01:44,800
unless we proceed with that trade-off,

4425
03:01:42,800 --> 03:01:48,000
we don't really understand the impact.

4426
03:01:44,800 --> 03:01:50,399
There has been um a benefit provided.

4427
03:01:48,000 --> 03:01:53,120
We've we've reduced parking requirements

4428
03:01:50,399 --> 03:01:55,439
on just about every type of residential

4429
03:01:53,120 --> 03:01:58,160
development that can occur in the city.

4430
03:01:55,439 --> 03:02:00,720
We are allowing more to happen on on

4431
03:01:58,160 --> 03:02:04,080
single family lots all the way up to um

4432
03:02:00,720 --> 03:02:06,960
you know our highdensity areas and we've

4433
03:02:04,080 --> 03:02:09,680
given up the ability to negotiate um

4434
03:02:06,960 --> 03:02:12,160
amenities to come from those. So this

4435
03:02:09,680 --> 03:02:14,560
this is the tool that we have and um

4436
03:02:12,160 --> 03:02:20,479
this is the process that we've followed

4437
03:02:14,560 --> 03:02:23,359
um very thoroughly um with some very um

4438
03:02:20,479 --> 03:02:26,479
detailed reports and discussion that's

4439
03:02:23,359 --> 03:02:28,880
led up to this point. So um I'm I'm

4440
03:02:26,479 --> 03:02:31,040
fairly comfortable with where that is

4441
03:02:28,880 --> 03:02:35,520
and yeah it I mean it doesn't need to go

4442
03:02:31,040 --> 03:02:38,160
to the inspector of municipalities um

4443
03:02:35,520 --> 03:02:41,120
in the same way that the DCC's are. So

4444
03:02:38,160 --> 03:02:43,920
perhaps there will be changes to it. But

4445
03:02:41,120 --> 03:02:46,399
I would also remind that um I'm sure

4446
03:02:43,920 --> 03:02:48,479
that if we didn't change any of our

4447
03:02:46,399 --> 03:02:50,319
property taxes and did it all in one go,

4448
03:02:48,479 --> 03:02:52,640
it would be a major sticker shock too,

4449
03:02:50,319 --> 03:02:55,359
which is essentially what we have done

4450
03:02:52,640 --> 03:02:58,560
here. Um

4451
03:02:55,359 --> 03:03:01,200
and I mean our our previous discussion

4452
03:02:58,560 --> 03:03:03,520
tonight around um what we're grappling

4453
03:03:01,200 --> 03:03:05,840
with in terms of property taxation

4454
03:03:03,520 --> 03:03:08,240
increases. We we have a lot of

4455
03:03:05,840 --> 03:03:10,640
downloaded costs from higher levels of

4456
03:03:08,240 --> 03:03:14,240
government that used to get, you know,

4457
03:03:10,640 --> 03:03:15,920
66% of our capital. Um projects were

4458
03:03:14,240 --> 03:03:18,319
being funded and now we're being asked

4459
03:03:15,920 --> 03:03:20,800
to do, you know, at at our sewer

4460
03:03:18,319 --> 03:03:22,880
commission committee yesterday. We're

4461
03:03:20,800 --> 03:03:25,040
looking at a hund00 million project with

4462
03:03:22,880 --> 03:03:27,200
basically no funding from higher levels

4463
03:03:25,040 --> 03:03:29,600
of government. And the end result is

4464
03:03:27,200 --> 03:03:31,279
that we have to increase things um

4465
03:03:29,600 --> 03:03:33,680
faster than inflation as we're not

4466
03:03:31,279 --> 03:03:36,880
getting that support. So, the money has

4467
03:03:33,680 --> 03:03:40,479
to come from somewhere and I'm not

4468
03:03:36,880 --> 03:03:42,720
comfortable um asking our taxpayers to

4469
03:03:40,479 --> 03:03:46,880
take a bigger piece of that pie than

4470
03:03:42,720 --> 03:03:49,120
what's fair. So, um this is the the best

4471
03:03:46,880 --> 03:03:50,960
solution that we have at this point. And

4472
03:03:49,120 --> 03:03:53,840
yes, there are going to be impacts from

4473
03:03:50,960 --> 03:03:55,840
it. And um you know, if those impacts

4474
03:03:53,840 --> 03:03:58,640
end up being more than than what makes

4475
03:03:55,840 --> 03:04:00,960
sense, they they can be revisited. and

4476
03:03:58,640 --> 03:04:03,520
um I'm I'm comfortable proceeding with

4477
03:04:00,960 --> 03:04:06,520
what's in front of us um tonight. Thank

4478
03:04:03,520 --> 03:04:06,520
you.

4479
03:04:06,880 --> 03:04:12,720
» Thanks uh Councelor McCullum. Maybe I'll

4480
03:04:09,760 --> 03:04:16,160
just ask a clarifying question um uh

4481
03:04:12,720 --> 03:04:18,319
just because what keeps coming back to

4482
03:04:16,160 --> 03:04:21,680
us and again hopefully things don't

4483
03:04:18,319 --> 03:04:25,040
don't get delayed so long but um back in

4484
03:04:21,680 --> 03:04:26,720
2016 and then when we visit DCC's again

4485
03:04:25,040 --> 03:04:28,960
uh I know I asked the question around

4486
03:04:26,720 --> 03:04:31,680
CPI and whether or not CPI is

4487
03:04:28,960 --> 03:04:33,920
automatically um included in those

4488
03:04:31,680 --> 03:04:37,040
calculations. So going forward again we

4489
03:04:33,920 --> 03:04:39,920
can sit down and and re-evaluate those

4490
03:04:37,040 --> 03:04:44,720
projects. But just in the absence of

4491
03:04:39,920 --> 03:04:47,680
that uh happening um uh is there some

4492
03:04:44,720 --> 03:04:50,560
mechanism like CPI that keeps those

4493
03:04:47,680 --> 03:04:52,319
amounts going up so that we're not doing

4494
03:04:50,560 --> 03:04:54,399
this catch up like we are with with

4495
03:04:52,319 --> 03:04:56,479
DCC's right now.

4496
03:04:54,399 --> 03:04:59,600
» Uh Mr. Mayor, the best practice is to do

4497
03:04:56,479 --> 03:05:03,200
your dcc amendment every year to capture

4498
03:04:59,600 --> 03:05:04,240
that CPI amount. That that does not need

4499
03:05:03,200 --> 03:05:05,359
to go to the inspector of

4500
03:05:04,240 --> 03:05:07,040
municipalities, right?

4501
03:05:05,359 --> 03:05:09,279
» And I think what happened is the the

4502
03:05:07,040 --> 03:05:12,560
city also was not doing that until very

4503
03:05:09,279 --> 03:05:14,240
recently. So it really fell behind. Uh

4504
03:05:12,560 --> 03:05:17,279
so that would be a recommended best

4505
03:05:14,240 --> 03:05:20,560
practice for uh both bylaws.

4506
03:05:17,279 --> 03:05:22,240
» Okay. Um

4507
03:05:20,560 --> 03:05:25,520
um All right. I appreciate that uh

4508
03:05:22,240 --> 03:05:27,200
clarification. and councelor Brish.

4509
03:05:25,520 --> 03:05:31,120
» Yeah, thanks. I have two two more

4510
03:05:27,200 --> 03:05:35,040
questions. Um, one is around the sort of

4511
03:05:31,120 --> 03:05:36,560
all-in DCC and ACC costs per per unit

4512
03:05:35,040 --> 03:05:40,319
per square meter. I guess we have the

4513
03:05:36,560 --> 03:05:41,840
three different densities and um, do we

4514
03:05:40,319 --> 03:05:43,600
have that number that includes the

4515
03:05:41,840 --> 03:05:45,680
regional district and the Courtney's

4516
03:05:43,600 --> 03:05:47,279
proposed numbers?

4517
03:05:45,680 --> 03:05:49,279
And I'm sorry I'm trying to dig up the

4518
03:05:47,279 --> 03:05:51,520
dcc's from the last discussion and add

4519
03:05:49,279 --> 03:05:53,439
them into the ACC's but is that

4520
03:05:51,520 --> 03:05:55,439
something that is possible to share with

4521
03:05:53,439 --> 03:05:57,120
me at this time like what is it let's

4522
03:05:55,439 --> 03:05:59,920
just talk about a house simple house

4523
03:05:57,120 --> 03:06:01,680
like what is the full number?

4524
03:05:59,920 --> 03:06:03,600
» Yeah through the chair I mean that

4525
03:06:01,680 --> 03:06:06,080
information has been presented to

4526
03:06:03,600 --> 03:06:09,600
council previously. Uh you know I want

4527
03:06:06,080 --> 03:06:12,160
to look at the exact bylaw that the CVRD

4528
03:06:09,600 --> 03:06:15,279
uh did adopt. Uh we could probably find

4529
03:06:12,160 --> 03:06:18,399
it pretty quickly. I think there the low

4530
03:06:15,279 --> 03:06:22,160
density charge was roughly $18,000 a lot

4531
03:06:18,399 --> 03:06:24,240
for the sewer and um Miss Okonnell might

4532
03:06:22,160 --> 03:06:26,720
be pulling it up uh for the other

4533
03:06:24,240 --> 03:06:28,880
charges that you know significantly

4534
03:06:26,720 --> 03:06:33,439
decrease decrease from there.

4535
03:06:28,880 --> 03:06:36,399
» Yeah. Yeah. I did get the dcc's um that

4536
03:06:33,439 --> 03:06:40,319
we had for the RD and Courtney

4537
03:06:36,399 --> 03:06:43,319
and then I guess um is he RD doing ACC's

4538
03:06:40,319 --> 03:06:43,319
or

4539
03:06:47,760 --> 03:06:51,600
» Oh, sorry Saunders.

4540
03:06:50,000 --> 03:06:54,560
» I was that close.

4541
03:06:51,600 --> 03:06:56,560
» Thank you. The mayor of councelor Fr. Uh

4542
03:06:54,560 --> 03:06:59,600
the regional district has given staff

4543
03:06:56,560 --> 03:07:01,520
direction to uh look into an ACC, but

4544
03:06:59,600 --> 03:07:03,200
they have not uh they were staff were

4545
03:07:01,520 --> 03:07:05,520
waiting for direction from the

4546
03:07:03,200 --> 03:07:08,000
recreation commission on the uh new

4547
03:07:05,520 --> 03:07:09,279
arena or the additional arena. Now that

4548
03:07:08,000 --> 03:07:10,720
they've received that direction and they

4549
03:07:09,279 --> 03:07:13,760
know what type of arena they're planning

4550
03:07:10,720 --> 03:07:16,000
for, uh they expect to start working on

4551
03:07:13,760 --> 03:07:18,000
uh ECC's this year. So they have not

4552
03:07:16,000 --> 03:07:20,080
started that process. Um but they will

4553
03:07:18,000 --> 03:07:22,000
be starting it this year.

4554
03:07:20,080 --> 03:07:24,800
» Great. Thanks for that. I guess I guess

4555
03:07:22,000 --> 03:07:26,560
my my interest is in looking into um an

4556
03:07:24,800 --> 03:07:27,920
assist factor on both. And it doesn't

4557
03:07:26,560 --> 03:07:30,319
maybe it doesn't have to be huge. I'm

4558
03:07:27,920 --> 03:07:32,800
actually um not exactly clear on what

4559
03:07:30,319 --> 03:07:36,479
the old numbers are were to what the new

4560
03:07:32,800 --> 03:07:38,080
numbers will be. And um I don't know if

4561
03:07:36,479 --> 03:07:39,680
I've had enough time to contemplate what

4562
03:07:38,080 --> 03:07:42,160
kind of assist factor I'd even be

4563
03:07:39,680 --> 03:07:46,880
willing to give um let alone the rest of

4564
03:07:42,160 --> 03:07:48,399
council. So um yeah, I'd love Sorry, go

4565
03:07:46,880 --> 03:07:50,399
ahead. If you have more information, I'

4566
03:07:48,399 --> 03:07:53,200
I'd take it. It sounded like someone was

4567
03:07:50,399 --> 03:07:55,439
going to speak there. Nope, not yet. And

4568
03:07:53,200 --> 03:07:58,640
so I'm I'm I'm inclined to ask for that

4569
03:07:55,439 --> 03:08:00,399
information um for ACC's at least. And

4570
03:07:58,640 --> 03:08:02,319
then knowing that I'll probably ask the

4571
03:08:00,399 --> 03:08:05,319
same thing when the DCC bylaw comes

4572
03:08:02,319 --> 03:08:05,319
back.

4573
03:08:15,520 --> 03:08:20,960
So maybe while we're waiting, we can

4574
03:08:17,120 --> 03:08:25,359
move on to the council more.

4575
03:08:20,960 --> 03:08:28,240
» Yeah. I mean, uh, councelor McCollum

4576
03:08:25,359 --> 03:08:31,120
gave some examples of how we're trying

4577
03:08:28,240 --> 03:08:33,279
to help developers

4578
03:08:31,120 --> 03:08:36,479
with costs like the parking and things

4579
03:08:33,279 --> 03:08:39,680
like that. And I know that um our city

4580
03:08:36,479 --> 03:08:41,840
manager had uh had mentioned this before

4581
03:08:39,680 --> 03:08:47,279
around some of those other policy

4582
03:08:41,840 --> 03:08:49,439
changes um in terms of of helping to

4583
03:08:47,279 --> 03:08:52,560
alleviate some of the costs. So I'm just

4584
03:08:49,439 --> 03:08:54,479
curious whether um Mr. but feels

4585
03:08:52,560 --> 03:08:56,560
comfortable with talking about some

4586
03:08:54,479 --> 03:09:00,399
other things that are in the pipeline to

4587
03:08:56,560 --> 03:09:04,279
offset you know some of the

4588
03:09:00,399 --> 03:09:04,279
some of this uh

4589
03:09:05,840 --> 03:09:09,200
» And if you don't you know through the

4590
03:09:07,279 --> 03:09:12,399
mayor it's just I I don't want to

4591
03:09:09,200 --> 03:09:14,399
overstate I mean we we're working uh

4592
03:09:12,399 --> 03:09:15,840
with council direction on a number of

4593
03:09:14,399 --> 03:09:18,000
adjustments and we had talked about

4594
03:09:15,840 --> 03:09:21,680
adjustments uh council column talked

4595
03:09:18,000 --> 03:09:23,840
about that um we're uh with the

4596
03:09:21,680 --> 03:09:27,359
direction of our acting director. We're

4597
03:09:23,840 --> 03:09:31,600
working on our processes. Um

4598
03:09:27,359 --> 03:09:36,160
we've had uh improvements in the return

4599
03:09:31,600 --> 03:09:39,040
of uh bonding and costing. That's that's

4600
03:09:36,160 --> 03:09:40,720
an impact for developers. I I don't have

4601
03:09:39,040 --> 03:09:45,439
a detailed list right in front of me

4602
03:09:40,720 --> 03:09:48,720
right now. However, um uh you know,

4603
03:09:45,439 --> 03:09:54,240
forming uh good working groups to try

4604
03:09:48,720 --> 03:09:56,160
and engage uh uh grant resources. Um we

4605
03:09:54,240 --> 03:09:58,800
mentioned CFP Comox as a bit of a

4606
03:09:56,160 --> 03:10:00,479
catalyzing factor right now. Um a lot of

4607
03:09:58,800 --> 03:10:02,800
that is going to impact all forms of

4608
03:10:00,479 --> 03:10:05,439
infrastructure in the community. uh

4609
03:10:02,800 --> 03:10:09,279
forming a a you know a working group or

4610
03:10:05,439 --> 03:10:11,200
task force on uh trying to uh both speed

4611
03:10:09,279 --> 03:10:14,720
development applications, raise the

4612
03:10:11,200 --> 03:10:17,120
priority of our community for um grant

4613
03:10:14,720 --> 03:10:19,920
applications which

4614
03:10:17,120 --> 03:10:21,840
our uh colleague has talked about how we

4615
03:10:19,920 --> 03:10:26,479
would amend development cost charges for

4616
03:10:21,840 --> 03:10:30,000
that. Um speeding our uh processes uh

4617
03:10:26,479 --> 03:10:32,319
ultimately uh amending zoning in areas.

4618
03:10:30,000 --> 03:10:33,600
Um, one of our large, well, basically

4619
03:10:32,319 --> 03:10:36,160
the largest developer in our community

4620
03:10:33,600 --> 03:10:38,399
has pre-zoneed land that staff are

4621
03:10:36,160 --> 03:10:39,840
working right now with great development

4622
03:10:38,399 --> 03:10:42,640
consultants that are working on behalf

4623
03:10:39,840 --> 03:10:45,680
of that development to, um, fine-tune

4624
03:10:42,640 --> 03:10:46,960
and and address the market.

4625
03:10:45,680 --> 03:10:48,880
» These are some of the things that we're

4626
03:10:46,960 --> 03:10:51,600
doing. Um

4627
03:10:48,880 --> 03:10:55,680
uh sorry that that that the complaint.

4628
03:10:51,600 --> 03:11:00,479
Um likewise um you know um making sure

4629
03:10:55,680 --> 03:11:02,640
that we have uh better uh and more um

4630
03:11:00,479 --> 03:11:05,760
effective customer service in place to

4631
03:11:02,640 --> 03:11:06,960
move applications through um is a is a

4632
03:11:05,760 --> 03:11:09,359
critical component because time is

4633
03:11:06,960 --> 03:11:11,040
money. And then uh just as as recently

4634
03:11:09,359 --> 03:11:12,640
as yesterday, I know that elected

4635
03:11:11,040 --> 03:11:14,960
officials met with uh development

4636
03:11:12,640 --> 03:11:16,319
community, but we talked about the city

4637
03:11:14,960 --> 03:11:18,880
trying to engage with the other

4638
03:11:16,319 --> 03:11:20,319
regulatory agencies um that affect the

4639
03:11:18,880 --> 03:11:22,800
development process. But the these are

4640
03:11:20,319 --> 03:11:25,279
just examples and and and we've we've

4641
03:11:22,800 --> 03:11:27,279
all heard about timelines uh very

4642
03:11:25,279 --> 03:11:30,640
extended timelines. Council dealt with

4643
03:11:27,279 --> 03:11:34,080
an extended timeline uh expeditiously uh

4644
03:11:30,640 --> 03:11:36,800
once uh we uh received some really clear

4645
03:11:34,080 --> 03:11:39,040
direction. Um but those are examples.

4646
03:11:36,800 --> 03:11:41,279
Um, and I I know my head colleagues are

4647
03:11:39,040 --> 03:11:45,040
doing some uh additional work. Feel like

4648
03:11:41,279 --> 03:11:46,960
I might be holding airspace. [laughter]

4649
03:11:45,040 --> 03:11:48,240
» All right, I see Miss Okonnell's

4650
03:11:46,960 --> 03:11:50,880
microphone's ready.

4651
03:11:48,240 --> 03:11:52,640
» So, the quickest place I could find the

4652
03:11:50,880 --> 03:11:55,520
majority of the information of all the

4653
03:11:52,640 --> 03:11:58,160
different pieces was actually on the

4654
03:11:55,520 --> 03:12:00,080
engage page where we provided all the

4655
03:11:58,160 --> 03:12:04,080
materials and if this was directly from

4656
03:12:00,080 --> 03:12:08,160
one of the presentations. Um so as an uh

4657
03:12:04,080 --> 03:12:10,160
an example the um DCC's or the draft

4658
03:12:08,160 --> 03:12:12,399
rates for Courtney at the time well were

4659
03:12:10,160 --> 03:12:15,920
21 for sorry for a low density

4660
03:12:12,399 --> 03:12:18,479
residential as an example were 21,337

4661
03:12:15,920 --> 03:12:22,279
for the town of Komox for the same it

4662
03:12:18,479 --> 03:12:22,279
was uh 30,792

4663
03:12:22,479 --> 03:12:25,720
um for

4664
03:12:26,960 --> 03:12:32,319
» Okay

4665
03:12:28,000 --> 03:12:34,880
» And then for the um CBRD So for the

4666
03:12:32,319 --> 03:12:36,880
sewer it's for low density residential

4667
03:12:34,880 --> 03:12:39,840
it's $18,042.

4668
03:12:36,880 --> 03:12:43,840
For medium residential it's uh 9,800 and

4669
03:12:39,840 --> 03:12:45,279
change. Um so when you combine those

4670
03:12:43,840 --> 03:12:47,279
rates there's like five different

4671
03:12:45,279 --> 03:12:50,399
categories. You'd have to add each of

4672
03:12:47,279 --> 03:12:52,960
them up. But we're consistent with our

4673
03:12:50,399 --> 03:12:56,880
municipal comparators across both um

4674
03:12:52,960 --> 03:12:59,040
ACC's and DCC's and or below.

4675
03:12:56,880 --> 03:13:00,560
» If I could just thanks for that. I know

4676
03:12:59,040 --> 03:13:01,359
we're sort of mixing two discussions

4677
03:13:00,560 --> 03:13:02,960
here.

4678
03:13:01,359 --> 03:13:04,479
» Um,

4679
03:13:02,960 --> 03:13:06,399
one of the reasons I bring that up is

4680
03:13:04,479 --> 03:13:08,160
because, you know, we also heard from

4681
03:13:06,399 --> 03:13:12,319
the development community that, you

4682
03:13:08,160 --> 03:13:14,080
know, time is money as well. And I know

4683
03:13:12,319 --> 03:13:16,800
this would have been probably at least a

4684
03:13:14,080 --> 03:13:18,800
couple years ago now. Um the regional

4685
03:13:16,800 --> 03:13:22,399
district was getting a a lot of grief

4686
03:13:18,800 --> 03:13:25,760
around um their delayed timelines and

4687
03:13:22,399 --> 03:13:29,840
the electoral areas services committee

4688
03:13:25,760 --> 03:13:32,800
um gave some really clear direction um

4689
03:13:29,840 --> 03:13:36,720
to deal with that. And so what resulted

4690
03:13:32,800 --> 03:13:38,880
was um they gave direction for you know

4691
03:13:36,720 --> 03:13:43,040
additional resources and staff to get

4692
03:13:38,880 --> 03:13:45,840
through that backlog of applications and

4693
03:13:43,040 --> 03:13:48,080
they went from I think 3 or 4 months to

4694
03:13:45,840 --> 03:13:51,600
like 2 or 3 weeks or something and that

4695
03:13:48,080 --> 03:13:53,120
was a couple years ago now. So I think

4696
03:13:51,600 --> 03:13:56,640
you know I guess this speaks to the

4697
03:13:53,120 --> 03:14:00,960
whole engagement piece as well. Um, I

4698
03:13:56,640 --> 03:14:03,680
think whatever we can do to act on those

4699
03:14:00,960 --> 03:14:06,160
other things that are costing

4700
03:14:03,680 --> 03:14:08,800
costing money and and responding to that

4701
03:14:06,160 --> 03:14:11,040
in a in a really clear direct way I

4702
03:14:08,800 --> 03:14:14,080
think um I think is important like it

4703
03:14:11,040 --> 03:14:15,920
can be done. I think, you know, staff

4704
03:14:14,080 --> 03:14:18,080
couldn't, you know, decide that on their

4705
03:14:15,920 --> 03:14:20,000
own. That needed to come from the

4706
03:14:18,080 --> 03:14:24,479
electoral directors. But it's just one

4707
03:14:20,000 --> 03:14:28,720
example of um I think just being more

4708
03:14:24,479 --> 03:14:33,040
um I guess just having a better read on

4709
03:14:28,720 --> 03:14:36,080
on how those costs um

4710
03:14:33,040 --> 03:14:39,200
uh yeah those additional costs um

4711
03:14:36,080 --> 03:14:41,520
acknowledging that you know that's not

4712
03:14:39,200 --> 03:14:44,720
necessarily part of this discussion but

4713
03:14:41,520 --> 03:14:46,160
just part of the whole picture. Thanks.

4714
03:14:44,720 --> 03:14:47,840
Thanks, Councelor Morren. And yeah, and

4715
03:14:46,160 --> 03:14:50,720
I and I think that there was definitely

4716
03:14:47,840 --> 03:14:53,120
a commitment uh uh uh probably from

4717
03:14:50,720 --> 03:14:56,160
across mo most of the counselors to to

4718
03:14:53,120 --> 03:14:57,760
uh put some energy um and to make sure

4719
03:14:56,160 --> 03:15:00,239
that we're having those ongoing

4720
03:14:57,760 --> 03:15:01,920
conversations, but also uh when when

4721
03:15:00,239 --> 03:15:03,600
it's appropriate and and it's possible

4722
03:15:01,920 --> 03:15:07,279
that we're advocating for other things

4723
03:15:03,600 --> 03:15:10,479
that are uh causing these um projects to

4724
03:15:07,279 --> 03:15:12,560
lose their viability. And so Cichi um

4725
03:15:10,479 --> 03:15:14,479
fees which have doubled and and other

4726
03:15:12,560 --> 03:15:17,760
things are are places where we can be

4727
03:15:14,479 --> 03:15:19,600
advocating um not just uh within

4728
03:15:17,760 --> 03:15:22,239
ourselves and within the the Komox

4729
03:15:19,600 --> 03:15:25,520
Valley but with the provincial and and

4730
03:15:22,239 --> 03:15:28,720
federal counterparts uh that are um

4731
03:15:25,520 --> 03:15:30,160
having a deep impact on on the viability

4732
03:15:28,720 --> 03:15:34,960
of a lot of these projects as well

4733
03:15:30,160 --> 03:15:36,880
beyond um ACC's and DCC's. Um and with

4734
03:15:34,960 --> 03:15:39,600
that I'll pass over to councelor Fresh.

4735
03:15:36,880 --> 03:15:41,200
» Yeah, thanks Mayor. So, um I just

4736
03:15:39,600 --> 03:15:43,920
quickly added up the numbers that you

4737
03:15:41,200 --> 03:15:45,840
gave me. Thanks very much. And so for a

4738
03:15:43,920 --> 03:15:47,680
single family unit, it looks to be

4739
03:15:45,840 --> 03:15:50,800
around $46,000

4740
03:15:47,680 --> 03:15:54,000
per door. Um that's seven coming from

4741
03:15:50,800 --> 03:15:57,040
our ECC's, 18 from the regional 18,000

4742
03:15:54,000 --> 03:15:59,040
from the regional district and um and 21

4743
03:15:57,040 --> 03:16:01,439
from Courtney.

4744
03:15:59,040 --> 03:16:04,479
And then the um medium density is

4745
03:16:01,439 --> 03:16:07,520
$25,000 a door which is three and a half

4746
03:16:04,479 --> 03:16:10,880
from our ECC's and 10,000 from the RDS

4747
03:16:07,520 --> 03:16:14,880
dcc and 12 from our DCC's. And then

4748
03:16:10,880 --> 03:16:20,479
finally the um high density is around

4749
03:16:14,880 --> 03:16:22,640
$260 per square meter. Um which I always

4750
03:16:20,479 --> 03:16:25,279
think about a thousand uh like square

4751
03:16:22,640 --> 03:16:27,200
foot unit, but maybe that's even big.

4752
03:16:25,279 --> 03:16:29,840
Maybe they're building 750s. I don't

4753
03:16:27,200 --> 03:16:31,840
know. But um that puts it in a similar

4754
03:16:29,840 --> 03:16:36,000
range to the medium density depending on

4755
03:16:31,840 --> 03:16:37,120
how big of a unit you build. So um I

4756
03:16:36,000 --> 03:16:39,359
guess that's where we're at and I just

4757
03:16:37,120 --> 03:16:40,640
wanted like that's kind of the all-in

4758
03:16:39,359 --> 03:16:42,160
number and it's worth looking at because

4759
03:16:40,640 --> 03:16:44,560
if we piece it out into little bits,

4760
03:16:42,160 --> 03:16:47,680
it's kind of hard to fathom what what um

4761
03:16:44,560 --> 03:16:49,760
the industry is up against. And so I

4762
03:16:47,680 --> 03:16:53,040
just want to share that I that we're

4763
03:16:49,760 --> 03:16:54,560
hearing those numbers um aren't possible

4764
03:16:53,040 --> 03:16:57,120
and it's going to scare away development

4765
03:16:54,560 --> 03:16:58,640
or or just make it not possible. So, in

4766
03:16:57,120 --> 03:17:01,040
light of that, I I would be interested

4767
03:16:58,640 --> 03:17:04,479
in hearing about what an assist factor

4768
03:17:01,040 --> 03:17:07,200
of say 5 and 10% might mean for us and

4769
03:17:04,479 --> 03:17:09,920
how that would change the numbers

4770
03:17:07,200 --> 03:17:12,000
compared to the old numbers. Um, and

4771
03:17:09,920 --> 03:17:14,399
wonder if we can do that for just, you

4772
03:17:12,000 --> 03:17:16,239
know, a year or two like to ease to ease

4773
03:17:14,399 --> 03:17:18,800
the development community into this idea

4774
03:17:16,239 --> 03:17:20,560
of these new fees. Uh, is that possible

4775
03:17:18,800 --> 03:17:23,200
to say we want to do an assist factor

4776
03:17:20,560 --> 03:17:27,200
for one year and then review it or two

4777
03:17:23,200 --> 03:17:27,200
years or whatever?

4778
03:17:27,520 --> 03:17:31,040
Thank you chair. It's absolutely

4779
03:17:29,120 --> 03:17:33,920
possible. That's council's discretion

4780
03:17:31,040 --> 03:17:36,800
and it's just as staff has noted it will

4781
03:17:33,920 --> 03:17:39,279
impact uh cost to the taxpayer by that

4782
03:17:36,800 --> 03:17:42,399
amount. But it's absolutely possible for

4783
03:17:39,279 --> 03:17:45,040
council to provide that direction. Um

4784
03:17:42,399 --> 03:17:47,600
and you could do that solely for the ACC

4785
03:17:45,040 --> 03:17:50,880
program. Uh if you wish you could apply

4786
03:17:47,600 --> 03:17:52,479
it the same as this factor to the DCC

4787
03:17:50,880 --> 03:17:55,200
program as a whole or you could also

4788
03:17:52,479 --> 03:17:58,000
apply it just to say transportation for

4789
03:17:55,200 --> 03:17:59,600
example um that would be at council's

4790
03:17:58,000 --> 03:18:01,520
discretion.

4791
03:17:59,600 --> 03:18:03,520
» The one thing I would note though if

4792
03:18:01,520 --> 03:18:07,200
you're if council wishes to direct

4793
03:18:03,520 --> 03:18:10,479
changes um to the assist factor to the

4794
03:18:07,200 --> 03:18:12,239
development cost charge uh we do have

4795
03:18:10,479 --> 03:18:14,399
that in at the inspector of

4796
03:18:12,239 --> 03:18:17,200
municipalities. So, we I can't imagine

4797
03:18:14,399 --> 03:18:19,120
it influencing um their approval of the

4798
03:18:17,200 --> 03:18:20,560
bylaws, but they do sign off on the

4799
03:18:19,120 --> 03:18:22,560
bylaws. So, we'd want to do that

4800
03:18:20,560 --> 03:18:27,279
amendment and provide that update to

4801
03:18:22,560 --> 03:18:28,960
them uh while they're in their review.

4802
03:18:27,279 --> 03:18:31,040
» Well, we would basically put them on

4803
03:18:28,960 --> 03:18:33,120
hold. Yeah. And would would it make

4804
03:18:31,040 --> 03:18:36,399
mathematical sense to assume that if

4805
03:18:33,120 --> 03:18:39,120
we're giving a 5% assist factor that it

4806
03:18:36,399 --> 03:18:42,880
would decrease those per door costs by

4807
03:18:39,120 --> 03:18:46,720
about 5% for for our portion for our DCC

4808
03:18:42,880 --> 03:18:48,960
or our ACC or is it am I missing missing

4809
03:18:46,720 --> 03:18:50,880
the calculation a bit

4810
03:18:48,960 --> 03:18:54,319
» Through the chair? Yeah, the 5% would be

4811
03:18:50,880 --> 03:18:57,040
based on the developer's portion and

4812
03:18:54,319 --> 03:18:58,640
then that savings just or that savings

4813
03:18:57,040 --> 03:19:00,000
that the developer has just gets

4814
03:18:58,640 --> 03:19:01,040
transferred to the municipal

4815
03:19:00,000 --> 03:19:01,359
responsibility,

4816
03:19:01,040 --> 03:19:03,680
» Right?

4817
03:19:01,359 --> 03:19:06,640
» Um but we could illustrate how that

4818
03:19:03,680 --> 03:19:08,080
assist factor um is impact in a in a

4819
03:19:06,640 --> 03:19:09,920
separate column essentially for

4820
03:19:08,080 --> 03:19:14,160
council's consideration at a future

4821
03:19:09,920 --> 03:19:15,840
time. Yeah, I I mean I'm having a hard

4822
03:19:14,160 --> 03:19:17,520
time understanding what is going to make

4823
03:19:15,840 --> 03:19:20,800
and what's going to break development

4824
03:19:17,520 --> 03:19:23,359
and um but it has been argued that of

4825
03:19:20,800 --> 03:19:25,520
course if you get far less development

4826
03:19:23,359 --> 03:19:28,239
then you're going to get far less DCC's

4827
03:19:25,520 --> 03:19:30,399
and ACC's as well. So that's what I'm

4828
03:19:28,239 --> 03:19:32,000
contemplating. Um I see one more light

4829
03:19:30,399 --> 03:19:33,520
two more lights so I'm going to let go.

4830
03:19:32,000 --> 03:19:35,840
Thanks.

4831
03:19:33,520 --> 03:19:37,200
Thanks, Councelor Fish and uh Council

4832
03:19:35,840 --> 03:19:39,279
Helen. And I just want to acknowledge

4833
03:19:37,200 --> 03:19:40,560
that we're way past the 6:30 deadline

4834
03:19:39,279 --> 03:19:42,560
that I thought we would have for dinner.

4835
03:19:40,560 --> 03:19:45,359
So, I do I'm just going to apologize

4836
03:19:42,560 --> 03:19:46,880
right now. I know we're uh probably

4837
03:19:45,359 --> 03:19:50,399
starving, so I just want to acknowledge,

4838
03:19:46,880 --> 03:19:54,080
but councelor, floor is yours.

4839
03:19:50,399 --> 03:19:56,560
» Yes, decisions made when uh hungry and

4840
03:19:54,080 --> 03:19:59,359
tired. Um

4841
03:19:56,560 --> 03:20:01,840
so there's there's one part of this that

4842
03:19:59,359 --> 03:20:03,439
still confuses me and and um when I

4843
03:20:01,840 --> 03:20:06,239
asked the question earlier about the

4844
03:20:03,439 --> 03:20:08,000
time um it would take for the uh

4845
03:20:06,239 --> 03:20:11,120
implementation

4846
03:20:08,000 --> 03:20:13,520
um part of what I was mindful of was in

4847
03:20:11,120 --> 03:20:16,160
the um the guide for elected officials

4848
03:20:13,520 --> 03:20:19,520
that uh we were provided with which was

4849
03:20:16,160 --> 03:20:22,960
referenced in the staff report there's a

4850
03:20:19,520 --> 03:20:26,160
section that um talks about um assessing

4851
03:20:22,960 --> 03:20:28,000
potential development impact act and it

4852
03:20:26,160 --> 03:20:30,479
says staff will evaluate and advise

4853
03:20:28,000 --> 03:20:32,800
elected officials whether proposed ACC's

4854
03:20:30,479 --> 03:20:34,479
will deter development or discourage the

4855
03:20:32,800 --> 03:20:37,680
construction of reasonably priced

4856
03:20:34,479 --> 03:20:40,239
housing adjustments by elected officials

4857
03:20:37,680 --> 03:20:44,800
to the assist factor or providing a

4858
03:20:40,239 --> 03:20:47,600
grace period or phasing in of ACC's

4859
03:20:44,800 --> 03:20:49,120
rates could be considered at this stage.

4860
03:20:47,600 --> 03:20:50,880
So,

4861
03:20:49,120 --> 03:20:52,640
forgive me if I missed it, but have we

4862
03:20:50,880 --> 03:20:54,479
have we considered the possibility of

4863
03:20:52,640 --> 03:20:58,080
phasing in and what that would involve

4864
03:20:54,479 --> 03:20:58,800
and what the pros and cons of that

4865
03:20:58,080 --> 03:21:00,800
» Mr. Gman?

4866
03:20:58,800 --> 03:21:03,279
» Yeah, thank you.

4867
03:21:00,800 --> 03:21:05,760
Are we had responded that we council

4868
03:21:03,279 --> 03:21:09,040
gave direction on the cis factor, give

4869
03:21:05,760 --> 03:21:10,560
direction on those timing? We we have

4870
03:21:09,040 --> 03:21:12,239
responded to that. So I what I have not

4871
03:21:10,560 --> 03:21:14,640
heard is any actual direction from

4872
03:21:12,239 --> 03:21:17,120
council in terms of would you like to

4873
03:21:14,640 --> 03:21:19,279
consider this for send it back for some

4874
03:21:17,120 --> 03:21:21,840
more information you know we do need

4875
03:21:19,279 --> 03:21:24,239
some some direction you have received uh

4876
03:21:21,840 --> 03:21:27,279
with respect to ACC specifically we

4877
03:21:24,239 --> 03:21:29,439
engaged net it was not missenderson's

4878
03:21:27,279 --> 03:21:31,040
firm we had a secondary firm do an

4879
03:21:29,439 --> 03:21:33,200
economic analysis that was included in

4880
03:21:31,040 --> 03:21:35,279
the original information that was

4881
03:21:33,200 --> 03:21:37,439
provided to council that we were

4882
03:21:35,279 --> 03:21:39,840
referencing that u that was a step that

4883
03:21:37,439 --> 03:21:42,720
we did specifically um in accordance

4884
03:21:39,840 --> 03:21:44,239
with the best practice guide. Um, and

4885
03:21:42,720 --> 03:21:46,720
you've received information from

4886
03:21:44,239 --> 03:21:48,960
developers that it will impede and so we

4887
03:21:46,720 --> 03:21:51,600
have a difference of opinion. Uh,

4888
03:21:48,960 --> 03:21:52,720
ultimately you could ask you give us

4889
03:21:51,600 --> 03:21:56,399
direction to get some more information

4890
03:21:52,720 --> 03:21:58,560
on the impact of assist factors um about

4891
03:21:56,399 --> 03:22:00,080
the timeline and etc. And so that I mean

4892
03:21:58,560 --> 03:22:02,640
we we can't really give you any guidance

4893
03:22:00,080 --> 03:22:05,920
about that uh in terms of what but it is

4894
03:22:02,640 --> 03:22:08,479
in fact possible yes to do that um and

4895
03:22:05,920 --> 03:22:11,960
uh um we we would take council's

4896
03:22:08,479 --> 03:22:11,960
direction in that regard.

4897
03:22:12,479 --> 03:22:19,080
» Thanks Mr. Urban and um Council McCullum

4898
03:22:19,279 --> 03:22:24,880
» At the risk of lengthening this

4899
03:22:21,120 --> 03:22:27,520
discussion. Um just I I I found the

4900
03:22:24,880 --> 03:22:29,359
summary of the calculation of all these

4901
03:22:27,520 --> 03:22:32,880
different fees coming in helpful. I

4902
03:22:29,359 --> 03:22:35,840
think we did see some of that way back

4903
03:22:32,880 --> 03:22:37,520
in this discussion but um I think it's

4904
03:22:35,840 --> 03:22:39,840
good to revisit. But then the other

4905
03:22:37,520 --> 03:22:42,880
piece that I just wanted staff to

4906
03:22:39,840 --> 03:22:45,279
clarify on record with the largest one

4907
03:22:42,880 --> 03:22:47,200
being what we call a single family lot,

4908
03:22:45,279 --> 03:22:51,040
which is of course no longer a single

4909
03:22:47,200 --> 03:22:53,840
family lot at all and that um you could

4910
03:22:51,040 --> 03:22:56,560
do a lot more than single family.

4911
03:22:53,840 --> 03:23:01,040
What is the maximum number of units that

4912
03:22:56,560 --> 03:23:04,880
can fit on um a lot under that um 40

4913
03:23:01,040 --> 03:23:06,800
some odd thousand dcc?

4914
03:23:04,880 --> 03:23:08,720
» Do the chair. Um just a point of

4915
03:23:06,800 --> 03:23:11,120
clarification on the low density charge

4916
03:23:08,720 --> 03:23:13,680
from your old bylaw. So your old bylaw

4917
03:23:11,120 --> 03:23:15,520
you would require the single detached

4918
03:23:13,680 --> 03:23:17,279
house and then there would be a fee for

4919
03:23:15,520 --> 03:23:19,120
both the city and the regional district

4920
03:23:17,279 --> 03:23:21,520
for carriage homes where the new

4921
03:23:19,120 --> 03:23:26,319
lowdensity charge includes a carriage

4922
03:23:21,520 --> 03:23:28,880
home, a suite and a um and this the main

4923
03:23:26,319 --> 03:23:31,680
dwelling. And then if you were to do a

4924
03:23:28,880 --> 03:23:34,800
duplex, you would essentially charge two

4925
03:23:31,680 --> 03:23:37,359
medium density uh charges, which isn't

4926
03:23:34,800 --> 03:23:39,920
that all that different from just a

4927
03:23:37,359 --> 03:23:43,359
little bit more uh than the single low

4928
03:23:39,920 --> 03:23:45,520
density charge. So that's why comparing

4929
03:23:43,359 --> 03:23:47,520
the old rates to the new rates is apples

4930
03:23:45,520 --> 03:23:49,680
to oranges because there's more that's

4931
03:23:47,520 --> 03:23:52,000
allowed under under that first rate and

4932
03:23:49,680 --> 03:23:53,600
then the uh carriage home if you had a

4933
03:23:52,000 --> 03:23:56,080
second carriage home would go to the

4934
03:23:53,600 --> 03:23:58,239
apartment rate. I think it's also

4935
03:23:56,080 --> 03:24:00,880
important to note and I can't speak for

4936
03:23:58,239 --> 03:24:02,960
them but the city squared work uh that

4937
03:24:00,880 --> 03:24:05,359
was done also was looking at

4938
03:24:02,960 --> 03:24:08,000
inclusionary zoning uh which was another

4939
03:24:05,359 --> 03:24:10,640
tool that council could have used um and

4940
03:24:08,000 --> 03:24:13,279
it and it's basically recognized that

4941
03:24:10,640 --> 03:24:15,680
you couldn't have the increased DCC's

4942
03:24:13,279 --> 03:24:18,080
the ACC's and inclusionary zoning. So my

4943
03:24:15,680 --> 03:24:19,920
understanding was that council did um

4944
03:24:18,080 --> 03:24:22,640
sort of move away from the requirement

4945
03:24:19,920 --> 03:24:25,120
of inclusionary zoning. So that's like

4946
03:24:22,640 --> 03:24:27,439
another example that that council

4947
03:24:25,120 --> 03:24:28,880
already considered uh when looking at

4948
03:24:27,439 --> 03:24:31,040
the rates. Like I think there's been a

4949
03:24:28,880 --> 03:24:34,080
number of concessions over the course of

4950
03:24:31,040 --> 03:24:36,399
this um study, including the reduction

4951
03:24:34,080 --> 03:24:40,319
of the number of projects on the ACC

4952
03:24:36,399 --> 03:24:43,359
list and the parks list um to try to fit

4953
03:24:40,319 --> 03:24:46,160
it in to what would be uh financially

4954
03:24:43,359 --> 03:24:49,120
viable for certain uh types of

4955
03:24:46,160 --> 03:24:50,800
development. right now in this market. I

4956
03:24:49,120 --> 03:24:52,640
mean, there's people in the room that

4957
03:24:50,800 --> 03:24:54,239
could clearly tell you that there's a

4958
03:24:52,640 --> 03:24:57,279
lot of development that just clearly

4959
03:24:54,239 --> 03:25:00,399
isn't viable under the existing DCC or a

4960
03:24:57,279 --> 03:25:01,920
future DCC. But the uh land use

4961
03:25:00,399 --> 03:25:04,560
economics work that I believe city

4962
03:25:01,920 --> 03:25:06,479
square did did illustrate um with some

4963
03:25:04,560 --> 03:25:08,080
upzoning and other things that the city

4964
03:25:06,479 --> 03:25:10,479
is looking at that there were some

4965
03:25:08,080 --> 03:25:12,080
developments based on the charges not

4966
03:25:10,479 --> 03:25:15,319
getting any higher than they are that

4967
03:25:12,080 --> 03:25:15,319
were marginal.

4968
03:25:16,319 --> 03:25:21,520
Thanks for that and councelor FR.

4969
03:25:19,600 --> 03:25:23,279
» Yeah, well [clears throat] I remember

4970
03:25:21,520 --> 03:25:25,600
you mentioning that before the single

4971
03:25:23,279 --> 03:25:27,600
family home includes up to three units

4972
03:25:25,600 --> 03:25:29,600
and it does seem like a steal of a deal

4973
03:25:27,600 --> 03:25:32,479
in a lot of ways and it makes me think

4974
03:25:29,600 --> 03:25:34,720
maybe we really need to be looking at

4975
03:25:32,479 --> 03:25:36,720
the high density and are we discouraging

4976
03:25:34,720 --> 03:25:40,800
high density you know 700 square foot

4977
03:25:36,720 --> 03:25:42,239
units,000 square foot units um which I

4978
03:25:40,800 --> 03:25:44,479
think we really want for a lot of

4979
03:25:42,239 --> 03:25:45,920
reasons. One is the obvious need to

4980
03:25:44,479 --> 03:25:47,680
densify if we're not going to sprawl,

4981
03:25:45,920 --> 03:25:50,640
but otherwise

4982
03:25:47,680 --> 03:25:52,399
um the value to our community and

4983
03:25:50,640 --> 03:25:54,239
getting and using our infrastructure

4984
03:25:52,399 --> 03:25:57,600
more efficiently. Like there's a lot of

4985
03:25:54,239 --> 03:26:01,439
advantages to having um condominiums and

4986
03:25:57,600 --> 03:26:03,840
and rental apartments. And is this price

4987
03:26:01,439 --> 03:26:06,720
um is this price the right one to

4988
03:26:03,840 --> 03:26:09,600
incentivize that versus

4989
03:26:06,720 --> 03:26:11,600
um trying to do more single family lots

4990
03:26:09,600 --> 03:26:14,000
where you know if you get three units on

4991
03:26:11,600 --> 03:26:16,720
a lot it's it it does seem quite

4992
03:26:14,000 --> 03:26:18,160
affordable that way

4993
03:26:16,720 --> 03:26:20,880
» To the chair just to answer that

4994
03:26:18,160 --> 03:26:23,200
question. So it's not possible to do a

4995
03:26:20,880 --> 03:26:27,120
assist factor for a specific land use

4996
03:26:23,200 --> 03:26:29,840
category. uh so it has to be by DCC

4997
03:26:27,120 --> 03:26:32,080
program type uh transportation sewer

4998
03:26:29,840 --> 03:26:35,040
water drainage for example you can't say

4999
03:26:32,080 --> 03:26:37,359
we want to assist apartment um and then

5000
03:26:35,040 --> 03:26:39,520
when you go back to like why is the

5001
03:26:37,359 --> 03:26:42,479
apartment that way why does it come out

5002
03:26:39,520 --> 03:26:45,120
I mean it's a very um well somewhat of a

5003
03:26:42,479 --> 03:26:47,120
complicated model that you how you

5004
03:26:45,120 --> 03:26:49,359
calculate the dcc charges but you know

5005
03:26:47,120 --> 03:26:51,279
we're looking at you know the population

5006
03:26:49,359 --> 03:26:54,880
projections we're looking at per

5007
03:26:51,279 --> 03:26:56,960
household data um and So that's just

5008
03:26:54,880 --> 03:26:58,960
sort of how it computes out you know

5009
03:26:56,960 --> 03:27:02,560
based on the best practice approach to

5010
03:26:58,960 --> 03:27:05,840
calculating DCC's. So to tinker with the

5011
03:27:02,560 --> 03:27:09,040
apartment um one specifically like you'd

5012
03:27:05,840 --> 03:27:11,040
essentially be uh sort of tinkering with

5013
03:27:09,040 --> 03:27:13,439
like people per households or like

5014
03:27:11,040 --> 03:27:15,760
equivalency factors which are like

5015
03:27:13,439 --> 03:27:17,680
technically based engineering uh

5016
03:27:15,760 --> 03:27:20,160
requirements. So it's really difficult

5017
03:27:17,680 --> 03:27:21,600
to kind of look at that one land use

5018
03:27:20,160 --> 03:27:22,800
category and say I really wish that

5019
03:27:21,600 --> 03:27:24,640
would be lower.

5020
03:27:22,800 --> 03:27:27,120
» Okay. Thank you for that. Makes sense.

5021
03:27:24,640 --> 03:27:28,720
Um so in view in light of that I' I'd be

5022
03:27:27,120 --> 03:27:31,600
interested in having staff come back

5023
03:27:28,720 --> 03:27:33,200
with a little um a little more not

5024
03:27:31,600 --> 03:27:35,840
information actually just some option

5025
03:27:33,200 --> 03:27:39,040
around um some grace periods you know

5026
03:27:35,840 --> 03:27:42,239
maybe 3 months 6 months um and some

5027
03:27:39,040 --> 03:27:44,560
assist factor you know five and 10% and

5028
03:27:42,239 --> 03:27:46,080
I can put that into the form of a motion

5029
03:27:44,560 --> 03:27:48,080
if that's okay with you mayor. So, I'll

5030
03:27:46,080 --> 03:27:51,344
move that staff uh come back to council

5031
03:27:48,080 --> 03:27:53,439
with options for a grace period and for

5032
03:27:51,344 --> 03:27:56,720
[snorts] assist fact an assist factor

5033
03:27:53,439 --> 03:27:59,600
for the ACC bylaw.

5034
03:27:56,720 --> 03:28:01,680
» And Mr. Garbett need a little bit more

5035
03:27:59,600 --> 03:28:03,840
on what type of grace period and

5036
03:28:01,680 --> 03:28:06,239
timeline just if we can assist that

5037
03:28:03,840 --> 03:28:09,960
because uh we need to we need to be more

5038
03:28:06,239 --> 03:28:09,960
more specific there

5039
03:28:10,319 --> 03:28:15,359
» For phasing.

5040
03:28:12,399 --> 03:28:15,840
» Sure. Um, would you like me to restate a

5041
03:28:15,359 --> 03:28:16,720
motion?

5042
03:28:15,840 --> 03:28:17,200
» I think so.

5043
03:28:16,720 --> 03:28:18,854
» Okay.

5044
03:28:17,200 --> 03:28:19,600
» I know it's getting late and we're at

5045
03:28:18,854 --> 03:28:21,680
[clears throat] that point, but

5046
03:28:19,600 --> 03:28:24,800
» I'll do my best. I'll move that staff

5047
03:28:21,680 --> 03:28:28,960
come back to council with options for

5048
03:28:24,800 --> 03:28:32,720
phasing in the ACC bylaw for three and

5049
03:28:28,960 --> 03:28:35,359
six months and also for an assist factor

5050
03:28:32,720 --> 03:28:39,080
of five and 10% and well and one's

5051
03:28:35,359 --> 03:28:39,080
already provided. So,

5052
03:28:43,439 --> 03:28:50,239
Um, we don't have a secondary yet.

5053
03:28:48,080 --> 03:28:50,640
» Okay. And do you want to speak to it

5054
03:28:50,239 --> 03:28:52,479
further?

5055
03:28:50,640 --> 03:28:54,720
» Well, yeah. Just I'll just just to

5056
03:28:52,479 --> 03:28:56,239
clarify like I'm interested in the grace

5057
03:28:54,720 --> 03:28:58,640
period like if we if we do end up

5058
03:28:56,239 --> 03:29:00,399
passing this this uh winter, you know,

5059
03:28:58,640 --> 03:29:03,040
maybe we do push it off for a few months

5060
03:29:00,399 --> 03:29:06,239
just to give a bit more time. And then

5061
03:29:03,040 --> 03:29:08,960
um also the assist factor for a period

5062
03:29:06,239 --> 03:29:10,880
of time whether it's a year or two years

5063
03:29:08,960 --> 03:29:12,479
um to be reassessed later on. You know

5064
03:29:10,880 --> 03:29:14,960
maybe the market conditions change.

5065
03:29:12,479 --> 03:29:17,120
Maybe we find that uh it's not such a

5066
03:29:14,960 --> 03:29:19,040
big scary thing after all or maybe we

5067
03:29:17,120 --> 03:29:21,760
find everything's dropped off the map

5068
03:29:19,040 --> 03:29:23,359
and it's we need to reconsider how how

5069
03:29:21,760 --> 03:29:25,680
we're the projects [clears throat] we're

5070
03:29:23,359 --> 03:29:27,120
looking at basically I guess. And so

5071
03:29:25,680 --> 03:29:30,239
that's why I suggested the five and the

5072
03:29:27,120 --> 03:29:33,279
10%. [gasps]

5073
03:29:30,239 --> 03:29:34,880
Okay. Is that is that clear to anyone?

5074
03:29:33,279 --> 03:29:36,960
» Well, I think it's getting written up

5075
03:29:34,880 --> 03:29:39,200
right now and then

5076
03:29:36,960 --> 03:29:42,800
once it's up on the screen, you can just

5077
03:29:39,200 --> 03:29:46,120
confirm that that uh reflects

5078
03:29:42,800 --> 03:29:46,120
your intent.

5079
03:29:47,040 --> 03:29:51,840
» That's perfect. Um and after factors of

5080
03:29:49,680 --> 03:29:54,319
5 to 10%

5081
03:29:51,840 --> 03:29:57,680
or

5082
03:29:54,319 --> 03:29:58,960
say two years, I don't know. I guess we

5083
03:29:57,680 --> 03:30:01,760
can change that when it comes back to

5084
03:29:58,960 --> 03:30:04,399
see what those dollars look like. But

5085
03:30:01,760 --> 03:30:07,840
» And and it might be rather than dashes

5086
03:30:04,399 --> 03:30:09,920
the word and just because

5087
03:30:07,840 --> 03:30:10,479
that that that just kind of articulates

5088
03:30:09,920 --> 03:30:12,160
the

5089
03:30:10,479 --> 03:30:13,600
» Yeah, I just five and 10%. You're right.

5090
03:30:12,160 --> 03:30:15,120
It's we don't want we don't want

5091
03:30:13,600 --> 03:30:17,439
everything in between. Thanks. That's

5092
03:30:15,120 --> 03:30:20,479
perfect. Thank you.

5093
03:30:17,439 --> 03:30:22,640
» See? Yeah. Okay. Um and councelor

5094
03:30:20,479 --> 03:30:23,680
McCullum, um is this to the motion on

5095
03:30:22,640 --> 03:30:25,760
the floor now or?

5096
03:30:23,680 --> 03:30:28,640
» Yeah, it's just a clarifying question.

5097
03:30:25,760 --> 03:30:31,920
Um so if we provide this direction to

5098
03:30:28,640 --> 03:30:34,479
staff um I mean this is around the

5099
03:30:31,920 --> 03:30:37,359
implementation of the amenity cost

5100
03:30:34,479 --> 03:30:40,160
charge bylaw could we proceed with first

5101
03:30:37,359 --> 03:30:43,040
second and third reading and then um

5102
03:30:40,160 --> 03:30:45,279
this would inform adoption or um would

5103
03:30:43,040 --> 03:30:46,800
this have to delay the readings of the

5104
03:30:45,279 --> 03:30:51,920
bylaw as well?

5105
03:30:46,800 --> 03:30:54,160
» Mr. Con? Um, so it depends. Um, if the

5106
03:30:51,920 --> 03:30:55,840
intent or the belief is that the report

5107
03:30:54,160 --> 03:30:58,399
coming back would result in council's

5108
03:30:55,840 --> 03:30:59,760
desire to amend the bylaw, um, for

5109
03:30:58,399 --> 03:31:01,200
tonight, you I would recommend you

5110
03:30:59,760 --> 03:31:02,880
consider first and second. That way,

5111
03:31:01,200 --> 03:31:06,080
we're not considering the having to

5112
03:31:02,880 --> 03:31:09,520
resend third reading. At the same time,

5113
03:31:06,080 --> 03:31:11,040
um, having the bylaw split and now

5114
03:31:09,520 --> 03:31:14,960
potentially moving out of sync with the

5115
03:31:11,040 --> 03:31:18,720
DCC bylaw, that will also have kind of

5116
03:31:14,960 --> 03:31:20,880
some implications as well. So um yes, we

5117
03:31:18,720 --> 03:31:23,359
can def you can consider first and

5118
03:31:20,880 --> 03:31:25,680
second reading, provide the direction

5119
03:31:23,359 --> 03:31:28,239
based on this and then essentially I

5120
03:31:25,680 --> 03:31:29,760
wouldn't um bring the the bylaw back for

5121
03:31:28,239 --> 03:31:31,760
third reading consideration until we've

5122
03:31:29,760 --> 03:31:33,920
had a chance to undertake this work and

5123
03:31:31,760 --> 03:31:37,040
report back to council. And whether or

5124
03:31:33,920 --> 03:31:40,239
not the dcc bylaw comes back from the

5125
03:31:37,040 --> 03:31:42,479
province before then or not, it's the

5126
03:31:40,239 --> 03:31:44,560
timing may be off, which will impact our

5127
03:31:42,479 --> 03:31:46,479
current work because we're actually

5128
03:31:44,560 --> 03:31:48,319
preparing to implement some of these

5129
03:31:46,479 --> 03:31:50,160
fees and and get all of our ducks in a

5130
03:31:48,319 --> 03:31:52,239
row for when that time comes. So, we'll

5131
03:31:50,160 --> 03:31:54,080
just have to do some some tweaks on the

5132
03:31:52,239 --> 03:31:57,520
work plan as well.

5133
03:31:54,080 --> 03:31:58,800
» Okay. Thanks for that clarity.

5134
03:31:57,520 --> 03:32:02,000
» Right. Thanks for that that that

5135
03:31:58,800 --> 03:32:05,600
clarification. Um and councelor Mo.

5136
03:32:02,000 --> 03:32:08,239
Thanks, Mayor. Um, so just um reflecting

5137
03:32:05,600 --> 03:32:12,319
on what Miss Okonnell said earlier

5138
03:32:08,239 --> 03:32:16,080
around how um there, you know, there's a

5139
03:32:12,319 --> 03:32:17,680
domino effect with um the tax rates,

5140
03:32:16,080 --> 03:32:20,880
etc.

5141
03:32:17,680 --> 03:32:24,880
I'm not sure if um councelor Fr had

5142
03:32:20,880 --> 03:32:27,359
intended to have that as part of the

5143
03:32:24,880 --> 03:32:30,319
information that comes back. Um I mean

5144
03:32:27,359 --> 03:32:33,120
we've we've approved the the increase

5145
03:32:30,319 --> 03:32:35,840
for this year but

5146
03:32:33,120 --> 03:32:37,600
adjusting this would impact you know

5147
03:32:35,840 --> 03:32:40,239
future

5148
03:32:37,600 --> 03:32:42,880
tax rates. So I I don't know how full

5149
03:32:40,239 --> 03:32:46,319
wholesome of information

5150
03:32:42,880 --> 03:32:48,640
you're expecting like do we want to know

5151
03:32:46,319 --> 03:32:53,399
um how that's going to impact the the

5152
03:32:48,640 --> 03:32:53,399
numbers next year and beyond?

5153
03:32:53,760 --> 03:32:57,840
» And [clears throat]

5154
03:32:54,720 --> 03:33:00,080
uh Mr. department.

5155
03:32:57,840 --> 03:33:02,239
» The chair, we're we're having a a good

5156
03:33:00,080 --> 03:33:05,439
engaged discussion. I I had asked our

5157
03:33:02,239 --> 03:33:07,920
finance officer what the if we did not

5158
03:33:05,439 --> 03:33:10,000
proceed in in this current year, what

5159
03:33:07,920 --> 03:33:13,279
does that do for our taxation?

5160
03:33:10,000 --> 03:33:15,040
» Maybe ask Adam to recount the

5161
03:33:13,279 --> 03:33:17,439
conversation we had.

5162
03:33:15,040 --> 03:33:20,319
» Yeah. So if there is a delay in the

5163
03:33:17,439 --> 03:33:23,359
adoption of the ACC or DCC bylaw, there

5164
03:33:20,319 --> 03:33:25,680
will not be a direct impact on the

5165
03:33:23,359 --> 03:33:27,600
financial plan that council has been

5166
03:33:25,680 --> 03:33:30,000
presented with so far. What that

5167
03:33:27,600 --> 03:33:32,239
financial plan does not have though is

5168
03:33:30,000 --> 03:33:35,680
any of these projects in it.

5169
03:33:32,239 --> 03:33:39,200
Um, there are a handful of items that

5170
03:33:35,680 --> 03:33:42,239
would receive additional funding if the

5171
03:33:39,200 --> 03:33:45,359
ACC and DCC bylaws are adopted, which

5172
03:33:42,239 --> 03:33:50,239
would actually reduce the tax increases

5173
03:33:45,359 --> 03:33:52,720
required in the current year in

5174
03:33:50,239 --> 03:33:55,120
the financial plan is presented. So,

5175
03:33:52,720 --> 03:33:57,520
it's kind of a blend.

5176
03:33:55,120 --> 03:34:01,520
There's

5177
03:33:57,520 --> 03:34:03,760
not a big influence of DCC projects

5178
03:34:01,520 --> 03:34:07,520
because we I was working from an old DCC

5179
03:34:03,760 --> 03:34:09,200
bylaw, but there were projects that were

5180
03:34:07,520 --> 03:34:14,000
preceding and were included in the

5181
03:34:09,200 --> 03:34:17,200
financial plan that had not had DCC

5182
03:34:14,000 --> 03:34:22,520
money allocated to it yet. And I can't

5183
03:34:17,200 --> 03:34:22,520
allocate it until the new bylaws in. So,

5184
03:34:23,439 --> 03:34:31,840
» So it doesn't affect this year.

5185
03:34:26,960 --> 03:34:37,040
» It will not increase taxation for 2026.

5186
03:34:31,840 --> 03:34:39,359
It will not allow for decreases

5187
03:34:37,040 --> 03:34:41,680
in projects that are on the proposed

5188
03:34:39,359 --> 03:34:46,239
list.

5189
03:34:41,680 --> 03:34:49,279
» Okay. Thank you. But it will definitely

5190
03:34:46,239 --> 03:34:52,399
impact future years.

5191
03:34:49,279 --> 03:34:56,560
So that 14% or whatever is indicated for

5192
03:34:52,399 --> 03:35:00,399
2027 would be substantially higher for a

5193
03:34:56,560 --> 03:35:04,040
new council to have to figure out.

5194
03:35:00,399 --> 03:35:04,040
Sounds light.

5195
03:35:04,399 --> 03:35:12,560
The delay of this DCC or ACC will not

5196
03:35:08,080 --> 03:35:15,279
impact the 2027 tax change as I haven't

5197
03:35:12,560 --> 03:35:16,880
factored in the impacts from this

5198
03:35:15,279 --> 03:35:19,600
proposed.

5199
03:35:16,880 --> 03:35:21,439
Um, if all other things stay the same

5200
03:35:19,600 --> 03:35:24,399
for the financial plan next year and

5201
03:35:21,439 --> 03:35:26,640
this DCC bylaw comes in as presented, we

5202
03:35:24,399 --> 03:35:28,880
will see a decrease in taxation as there

5203
03:35:26,640 --> 03:35:33,520
is new funding sources eligible for

5204
03:35:28,880 --> 03:35:35,680
projects already in the financial plan.

5205
03:35:33,520 --> 03:35:38,000
» Right. Thanks for uh articulating that

5206
03:35:35,680 --> 03:35:39,840
and councelor.

5207
03:35:38,000 --> 03:35:42,479
» Yeah, thanks Mayor. Two points. First of

5208
03:35:39,840 --> 03:35:46,800
all, I wonder um if it would make sense

5209
03:35:42,479 --> 03:35:48,640
to uh add the word

5210
03:35:46,800 --> 03:35:51,200
and implications

5211
03:35:48,640 --> 03:35:54,200
um that the report back with options and

5212
03:35:51,200 --> 03:35:54,200
implications.

5213
03:35:54,239 --> 03:35:58,479
Um because I I'm assuming that the

5214
03:35:56,319 --> 03:36:00,960
report will do that anyway and that it

5215
03:35:58,479 --> 03:36:03,680
will if it gives us options, it'll also

5216
03:36:00,960 --> 03:36:05,040
let us know uh what the implications of

5217
03:36:03,680 --> 03:36:06,880
those options are. But I'm just

5218
03:36:05,040 --> 03:36:11,600
wondering if we should be clear about

5219
03:36:06,880 --> 03:36:13,680
giving that direction. Yeah. Um,

5220
03:36:11,600 --> 03:36:15,120
so that would be a friendly suggestion

5221
03:36:13,680 --> 03:36:18,399
or a friendly amendment. Then my

5222
03:36:15,120 --> 03:36:22,399
question procedurally is uh whether or

5223
03:36:18,399 --> 03:36:25,520
not it makes sense to defer the um the

5224
03:36:22,399 --> 03:36:30,239
motion the recommendation related to the

5225
03:36:25,520 --> 03:36:33,120
bylaw um to when that report comes back

5226
03:36:30,239 --> 03:36:36,399
you know if that would be procedurally a

5227
03:36:33,120 --> 03:36:37,600
a sensible way to to go or not.

5228
03:36:36,399 --> 03:36:39,600
Mr.

5229
03:36:37,600 --> 03:36:41,040
Um,

5230
03:36:39,600 --> 03:36:43,200
it it wouldn't actually make a

5231
03:36:41,040 --> 03:36:46,000
difference because it's an ACC bylaw.

5232
03:36:43,200 --> 03:36:48,560
You can do three readings at once. The

5233
03:36:46,000 --> 03:36:50,160
option to pursue or to consider first

5234
03:36:48,560 --> 03:36:52,960
and second at this point would be more

5235
03:36:50,160 --> 03:36:54,560
of a indication of council's intent to

5236
03:36:52,960 --> 03:36:57,840
continue to seriously consider the

5237
03:36:54,560 --> 03:37:00,960
application of the ACC's by delaying or

5238
03:36:57,840 --> 03:37:04,800
deferring the bylaw in its entirety. um

5239
03:37:00,960 --> 03:37:07,600
that is a different u approach but both

5240
03:37:04,800 --> 03:37:09,120
ultimately um as far as timeline for

5241
03:37:07,600 --> 03:37:10,880
consideration

5242
03:37:09,120 --> 03:37:13,680
it it's the same.

5243
03:37:10,880 --> 03:37:15,680
» Okay, thanks

5244
03:37:13,680 --> 03:37:17,920
and council last word.

5245
03:37:15,680 --> 03:37:19,359
» Yeah, sure. I'm happy to um move first

5246
03:37:17,920 --> 03:37:20,880
and second when it comes up and I'll

5247
03:37:19,359 --> 03:37:23,040
just hold off on third till we get this

5248
03:37:20,880 --> 03:37:25,279
information. And then I would I would

5249
03:37:23,040 --> 03:37:28,000
wonder if um just asking for the same

5250
03:37:25,279 --> 03:37:30,479
information on the DCC's um if it would

5251
03:37:28,000 --> 03:37:33,200
make sense to do it at the same time if

5252
03:37:30,479 --> 03:37:35,200
or maybe I should make a a subsequent

5253
03:37:33,200 --> 03:37:39,520
motion if we're interested in seeing

5254
03:37:35,200 --> 03:37:42,000
that same scenario laid out for that.

5255
03:37:39,520 --> 03:37:44,560
» Probably recommend waiting just it might

5256
03:37:42,000 --> 03:37:44,960
get severed anyway. So I I probably it's

5257
03:37:44,560 --> 03:37:46,560
a lot

5258
03:37:44,960 --> 03:37:48,560
» It would be a subsequent for sure but I

5259
03:37:46,560 --> 03:37:49,279
was I'm just throwing a little little

5260
03:37:48,560 --> 03:37:49,680
warning out.

5261
03:37:49,279 --> 03:37:51,840
» Yep.

5262
03:37:49,680 --> 03:37:53,840
» Okay,

5263
03:37:51,840 --> 03:37:56,319
» Fair enough. Uh so we do have a motion

5264
03:37:53,840 --> 03:37:57,760
on the floor. I don't see any further

5265
03:37:56,319 --> 03:37:59,840
questions or comments at this point in

5266
03:37:57,760 --> 03:38:01,680
time. All those in favor of the motion

5267
03:37:59,840 --> 03:38:05,640
on the screen

5268
03:38:01,680 --> 03:38:05,640
and motion carries.

5269
03:38:05,840 --> 03:38:10,479
Any subsequence before we move on? Okay.

5270
03:38:07,920 --> 03:38:12,640
Councelor FR I'd make the same motion

5271
03:38:10,479 --> 03:38:14,560
for the DCC bylaw. So we have the

5272
03:38:12,640 --> 03:38:16,560
information as soon as possible to

5273
03:38:14,560 --> 03:38:18,720
consider

5274
03:38:16,560 --> 03:38:21,200
and you know what I'm sure you would

5275
03:38:18,720 --> 03:38:22,800
come back with the uh implications of

5276
03:38:21,200 --> 03:38:25,760
how to move forward with that bylaw if

5277
03:38:22,800 --> 03:38:27,840
we wanted to make similar change or make

5278
03:38:25,760 --> 03:38:33,399
a change around the assist factor or the

5279
03:38:27,840 --> 03:38:33,399
um the implementation strategy on it.

5280
03:38:37,120 --> 03:38:40,640
I don't see a seconder for your motion.

5281
03:38:39,120 --> 03:38:42,080
So I don't believe that's going to move

5282
03:38:40,640 --> 03:38:45,080
forward.

5283
03:38:42,080 --> 03:38:45,080
Okay,

5284
03:38:47,600 --> 03:38:53,520
» I can read it if if that wakes you up.

5285
03:38:50,960 --> 03:38:55,680
» It's been seconded. Uh I do see Miss

5286
03:38:53,520 --> 03:38:57,200
Okonnell has her as well as Council

5287
03:38:55,680 --> 03:38:59,200
Mcllum. I'll go to Council McCullum

5288
03:38:57,200 --> 03:39:02,800
first.

5289
03:38:59,200 --> 03:39:06,399
» Uh thanks. I just uh want to say that I

5290
03:39:02,800 --> 03:39:09,760
am not in favor of um revisiting this.

5291
03:39:06,399 --> 03:39:12,960
Um I I think we've gotten far enough in

5292
03:39:09,760 --> 03:39:15,600
this process that this doesn't serve us

5293
03:39:12,960 --> 03:39:18,160
at this point in time and there has been

5294
03:39:15,600 --> 03:39:20,960
a fair amount of work both um with our

5295
03:39:18,160 --> 03:39:24,319
staff and other um and our municipal

5296
03:39:20,960 --> 03:39:26,399
partners to align this process and we've

5297
03:39:24,319 --> 03:39:28,000
passed third reading. It's gone to the

5298
03:39:26,399 --> 03:39:31,279
inspector of municipalities and this

5299
03:39:28,000 --> 03:39:33,200
will have a major impact on the cost of

5300
03:39:31,279 --> 03:39:34,880
property taxes for our residents if

5301
03:39:33,200 --> 03:39:37,520
we're going to wind this back. This is

5302
03:39:34,880 --> 03:39:39,840
work we have been asking for and

5303
03:39:37,520 --> 03:39:41,840
desperately needed to do 5 years ago and

5304
03:39:39,840 --> 03:39:43,920
I'm not in favor of slowing that down at

5305
03:39:41,840 --> 03:39:45,840
this point. So I'm not in favor of this

5306
03:39:43,920 --> 03:39:49,520
motion.

5307
03:39:45,840 --> 03:39:50,640
» Thanks Councelor Cullum and um Miss

5308
03:39:49,520 --> 03:39:53,760
Okonnell.

5309
03:39:50,640 --> 03:39:56,319
» Uh thank you to the mayor to council. Um

5310
03:39:53,760 --> 03:39:58,560
as council knows I'm currently the

5311
03:39:56,319 --> 03:40:00,960
acting director of Dolman services. We

5312
03:39:58,560 --> 03:40:04,160
are in active recruitment for the

5313
03:40:00,960 --> 03:40:06,160
replacement. Um part of me coming into

5314
03:40:04,160 --> 03:40:09,760
development services department over the

5315
03:40:06,160 --> 03:40:11,920
period of time was um very specifically

5316
03:40:09,760 --> 03:40:14,880
to work on internal systems in order to

5317
03:40:11,920 --> 03:40:18,000
improve service provision and service

5318
03:40:14,880 --> 03:40:21,920
level specifically looking at the KPIs

5319
03:40:18,000 --> 03:40:25,040
the systems um and the structure itself.

5320
03:40:21,920 --> 03:40:27,680
I will say that undertaking this work I

5321
03:40:25,040 --> 03:40:30,239
it will have a capacity impact on that

5322
03:40:27,680 --> 03:40:31,920
and I do have a finite timeline for the

5323
03:40:30,239 --> 03:40:33,920
amount of time I can be in development

5324
03:40:31,920 --> 03:40:36,960
services is with the election coming up

5325
03:40:33,920 --> 03:40:39,120
in the fall. Um it was not my intent to

5326
03:40:36,960 --> 03:40:42,239
stay in this position longer term than

5327
03:40:39,120 --> 03:40:44,479
that. So, in the event of um we can come

5328
03:40:42,239 --> 03:40:47,040
back with this information, but I I do

5329
03:40:44,479 --> 03:40:50,720
want you to know it's not likely not

5330
03:40:47,040 --> 03:40:53,120
feasible to do both in tandem without

5331
03:40:50,720 --> 03:40:56,239
one impacting the service processes

5332
03:40:53,120 --> 03:40:58,560
internally. I just don't have the staff

5333
03:40:56,239 --> 03:41:01,040
that are able to help and support and

5334
03:40:58,560 --> 03:41:03,200
manage a project like that. Um, as you

5335
03:41:01,040 --> 03:41:05,600
know, we're currently working on the OCP

5336
03:41:03,200 --> 03:41:08,239
update. We're working on repeal and

5337
03:41:05,600 --> 03:41:09,520
replacing the zoning bylaw. Um there's a

5338
03:41:08,239 --> 03:41:12,960
lot of work going on in the building

5339
03:41:09,520 --> 03:41:16,160
services division. Um it we are

5340
03:41:12,960 --> 03:41:18,160
challenged to resource this. So it will

5341
03:41:16,160 --> 03:41:20,880
be a bit of a trade-off for council to

5342
03:41:18,160 --> 03:41:23,279
determine where those resources need to

5343
03:41:20,880 --> 03:41:26,399
be allocated at the staff level.

5344
03:41:23,279 --> 03:41:27,920
Alternatively, if council would like to

5345
03:41:26,399 --> 03:41:29,760
um I could bring back some cost

5346
03:41:27,920 --> 03:41:31,279
estimates to completely outsource this

5347
03:41:29,760 --> 03:41:33,200
work and then council can make the

5348
03:41:31,279 --> 03:41:34,720
decision as to whether or not you want

5349
03:41:33,200 --> 03:41:36,880
to fund the service improvements through

5350
03:41:34,720 --> 03:41:38,399
third parties or if you would like to

5351
03:41:36,880 --> 03:41:40,000
increase the budget or the resources

5352
03:41:38,399 --> 03:41:41,600
available to development services to

5353
03:41:40,000 --> 03:41:45,120
undertake this work that is not part of

5354
03:41:41,600 --> 03:41:48,399
the work plan. Um so I I just I just

5355
03:41:45,120 --> 03:41:50,319
kind of eyes wide open. um every action

5356
03:41:48,399 --> 03:41:53,120
there's a reaction including on a

5357
03:41:50,319 --> 03:41:55,120
department that currently in its current

5358
03:41:53,120 --> 03:41:56,960
state

5359
03:41:55,120 --> 03:42:00,080
» Right thanks for that and Mr. regard it.

5360
03:41:56,960 --> 03:42:02,239
» Yeah. Thanks. Uh um I I want to be I

5361
03:42:00,080 --> 03:42:04,239
want to be I want to clearly acknowledge

5362
03:42:02,239 --> 03:42:06,880
that this is in response to feedback

5363
03:42:04,239 --> 03:42:08,399
that you've received. We had a process.

5364
03:42:06,880 --> 03:42:11,760
Um

5365
03:42:08,399 --> 03:42:14,880
I think getting information directly on

5366
03:42:11,760 --> 03:42:17,040
what what the implications are is is we

5367
03:42:14,880 --> 03:42:19,120
can do that and then council needs to

5368
03:42:17,040 --> 03:42:22,800
ultimately decide what they want to do.

5369
03:42:19,120 --> 03:42:24,319
Uh Ms. Okonnell uh spoke to this. We've

5370
03:42:22,800 --> 03:42:27,840
been working at this at council's

5371
03:42:24,319 --> 03:42:31,439
direction uh stretching back to the 2018

5372
03:42:27,840 --> 03:42:33,520
um uh council. Uh this was all intended

5373
03:42:31,439 --> 03:42:35,680
work to go. We were impacted by COVID.

5374
03:42:33,520 --> 03:42:38,640
So we're now

5375
03:42:35,680 --> 03:42:40,640
two terms past the conversation. Uh and

5376
03:42:38,640 --> 03:42:43,760
I only offer I don't offer that as as

5377
03:42:40,640 --> 03:42:45,600
any kind of a sort of ultimatum type of

5378
03:42:43,760 --> 03:42:47,279
thing. And I I know that how that will

5379
03:42:45,600 --> 03:42:48,560
sound. Council just needs to determine

5380
03:42:47,279 --> 03:42:50,479
if they want to proceed or not. And it

5381
03:42:48,560 --> 03:42:53,760
may not may not be the right time. uh

5382
03:42:50,479 --> 03:42:55,680
and and we we serve there. Um we do know

5383
03:42:53,760 --> 03:42:57,279
that there's been a call to update these

5384
03:42:55,680 --> 03:42:59,200
things because there are implications

5385
03:42:57,279 --> 03:43:00,479
for uh the development committee and

5386
03:42:59,200 --> 03:43:02,640
then we have the development committee

5387
03:43:00,479 --> 03:43:04,560
identifying that these costs in light of

5388
03:43:02,640 --> 03:43:06,239
the current conditions have impacts and

5389
03:43:04,560 --> 03:43:07,760
so ultimately council will determine

5390
03:43:06,239 --> 03:43:11,680
they want to proceed or not. There's no

5391
03:43:07,760 --> 03:43:13,840
obligation to do this. Uh it doesn't

5392
03:43:11,680 --> 03:43:15,199
matter how much uh time and effort or

5393
03:43:13,840 --> 03:43:16,800
direction or whatever. We have to do

5394
03:43:15,199 --> 03:43:19,600
what council would like to see. So I

5395
03:43:16,800 --> 03:43:22,080
just I offer that it's a real factor and

5396
03:43:19,600 --> 03:43:24,880
we are coming to the close of the second

5397
03:43:22,080 --> 03:43:27,040
term who wanted to work on this and so

5398
03:43:24,880 --> 03:43:29,120
you know we will come back these are

5399
03:43:27,040 --> 03:43:30,560
these are number these are number

5400
03:43:29,120 --> 03:43:31,840
factors there's tables that go along

5401
03:43:30,560 --> 03:43:33,840
with that and then council does have to

5402
03:43:31,840 --> 03:43:35,520
be take a serious look at what uh what

5403
03:43:33,840 --> 03:43:37,040
they want to do given all of their

5404
03:43:35,520 --> 03:43:39,840
priorities between now and the end of

5405
03:43:37,040 --> 03:43:41,760
the term in 2026. So just just offer

5406
03:43:39,840 --> 03:43:45,680
that and there's been good input uh

5407
03:43:41,760 --> 03:43:46,960
received by by many parties um and uh

5408
03:43:45,680 --> 03:43:48,960
and ultimately it's a decision the

5409
03:43:46,960 --> 03:43:50,640
council needs to take forward. So thank

5410
03:43:48,960 --> 03:43:52,960
you.

5411
03:43:50,640 --> 03:43:54,560
» Thanks Mr. Garvet and uh councelor

5412
03:43:52,960 --> 03:43:56,000
Fresh. Uh last word again.

5413
03:43:54,560 --> 03:43:59,439
» Okay. Thank you. Well well thanks to

5414
03:43:56,000 --> 03:44:02,080
staff for the the input about um what

5415
03:43:59,439 --> 03:44:04,160
it's going to take to get these numbers.

5416
03:44:02,080 --> 03:44:05,600
Um

5417
03:44:04,160 --> 03:44:07,520
yeah I'm just looking I'm just looking

5418
03:44:05,600 --> 03:44:09,840
at the two requests. So, one's about

5419
03:44:07,520 --> 03:44:11,439
phasing the implementation.

5420
03:44:09,840 --> 03:44:13,920
I would assume that means changing the

5421
03:44:11,439 --> 03:44:15,840
date and then the other one's the five

5422
03:44:13,920 --> 03:44:18,239
and 10%.

5423
03:44:15,840 --> 03:44:21,040
Um, and I guess the implications of that

5424
03:44:18,239 --> 03:44:24,160
is that we won't be collecting 5 to 10%

5425
03:44:21,040 --> 03:44:26,160
of the DCC's

5426
03:44:24,160 --> 03:44:28,265
for two years and up to two years. And

5427
03:44:26,160 --> 03:44:29,199
that's going to have an effect on our

5428
03:44:28,265 --> 03:44:31,520
[clears throat] funding for certain

5429
03:44:29,199 --> 03:44:33,520
projects and obviously taxation

5430
03:44:31,520 --> 03:44:36,160
implications.

5431
03:44:33,520 --> 03:44:39,439
Um, but I'm also guessing these aren't

5432
03:44:36,160 --> 03:44:42,319
massive numbers. So, um, I mean, I'd

5433
03:44:39,439 --> 03:44:44,080
like to get it right.

5434
03:44:42,319 --> 03:44:46,000
So, I'm going to support the motion.

5435
03:44:44,080 --> 03:44:48,880
Thanks.

5436
03:44:46,000 --> 03:44:49,760
» All right. Uh, Council McCullum, last

5437
03:44:48,880 --> 03:44:52,720
word.

5438
03:44:49,760 --> 03:44:54,720
» Um, can staff clarify if we were to make

5439
03:44:52,720 --> 03:44:56,720
this change whether or not the DCC's

5440
03:44:54,720 --> 03:44:58,479
would have to go a second time back to

5441
03:44:56,720 --> 03:45:00,479
the inspector of municipalities because

5442
03:44:58,479 --> 03:45:03,040
that seems to be a point of confusion

5443
03:45:00,479 --> 03:45:06,160
here.

5444
03:45:03,040 --> 03:45:09,199
through the chair. Um the inspectors had

5445
03:45:06,160 --> 03:45:11,040
the blaw for about four weeks. I'm going

5446
03:45:09,199 --> 03:45:12,640
to say three or four weeks. Uh their

5447
03:45:11,040 --> 03:45:14,800
turnaround time right now is two to

5448
03:45:12,640 --> 03:45:16,479
three months. Um so there's a couple

5449
03:45:14,800 --> 03:45:18,960
different options like we could ask them

5450
03:45:16,479 --> 03:45:22,319
to pause the review until we get this

5451
03:45:18,960 --> 03:45:23,840
report to council. Um we could let them

5452
03:45:22,319 --> 03:45:26,479
know that this is what you're

5453
03:45:23,840 --> 03:45:28,720
considering. Um, if council, if the

5454
03:45:26,479 --> 03:45:31,359
inspector did sign the bylaw in the

5455
03:45:28,720 --> 03:45:34,160
meantime, uh, we would have to bring the

5456
03:45:31,359 --> 03:45:36,640
new bylaw back through the ministry and

5457
03:45:34,160 --> 03:45:38,800
the inspector would have to resign. I

5458
03:45:36,640 --> 03:45:41,279
don't expect that would take as much

5459
03:45:38,800 --> 03:45:43,199
time as a complete review would because

5460
03:45:41,279 --> 03:45:44,880
especially when you're like decreasing

5461
03:45:43,199 --> 03:45:47,199
and using an assist factor, which is

5462
03:45:44,880 --> 03:45:48,880
council's tool, but it may be it's just

5463
03:45:47,199 --> 03:45:51,040
a little bit more of an administrative

5464
03:45:48,880 --> 03:45:53,120
cost and sort of a bit of a hiccup that

5465
03:45:51,040 --> 03:45:54,800
we need to manage. Uh, so the answer is

5466
03:45:53,120 --> 03:45:57,520
if they sign the bylaw and it arrives

5467
03:45:54,800 --> 03:46:00,080
tomorrow, it has to go back. Um, we will

5468
03:45:57,520 --> 03:46:01,760
need another signature.

5469
03:46:00,080 --> 03:46:03,199
» Okay. All right. Thanks for that

5470
03:46:01,760 --> 03:46:04,319
clarification. I don't see any other

5471
03:46:03,199 --> 03:46:07,040
lights, so I'm going to ask the question

5472
03:46:04,319 --> 03:46:09,359
right now. Um, all those in favor of the

5473
03:46:07,040 --> 03:46:11,520
motion on the floor.

5474
03:46:09,359 --> 03:46:15,040
Any opposed?

5475
03:46:11,520 --> 03:46:16,800
And motion uh, fails.

5476
03:46:15,040 --> 03:46:18,880
Uh,

5477
03:46:16,800 --> 03:46:20,560
uh, thanks for the lengthy conversation

5478
03:46:18,880 --> 03:46:23,279
on that. I know I know it's much later

5479
03:46:20,560 --> 03:46:26,399
than I think I anticipated possibly some

5480
03:46:23,279 --> 03:46:27,760
others as well. We have one last item uh

5481
03:46:26,399 --> 03:46:30,160
before we can break and that's the

5482
03:46:27,760 --> 03:46:33,160
development procedure bylaw. third.

5483
03:46:30,160 --> 03:46:33,160
» Yeah.

5484
03:46:42,399 --> 03:46:47,080
» Yeah. Are they giving you

5485
03:46:59,199 --> 03:47:05,080
Uh I'll I'll move that. Um

5486
03:47:05,120 --> 03:47:10,800
I'm just making sure that I am not

5487
03:47:07,359 --> 03:47:12,880
missing anything here. Um I think the

5488
03:47:10,800 --> 03:47:16,080
only change. Okay. So I'll move the

5489
03:47:12,880 --> 03:47:18,000
recommended motion. Um with the the

5490
03:47:16,080 --> 03:47:21,359
change being that council give first and

5491
03:47:18,000 --> 03:47:26,160
second reading to the amenity cost bar

5492
03:47:21,359 --> 03:47:28,160
cost charges bylaw 3207 as amended.

5493
03:47:26,160 --> 03:47:30,880
» Okay. So that's been moved and seconded.

5494
03:47:28,160 --> 03:47:34,160
It's just first and second reading only.

5495
03:47:30,880 --> 03:47:37,040
Um all those [clears throat] in favor?

5496
03:47:34,160 --> 03:47:38,720
Any opposed? And motion carries. Sorry

5497
03:47:37,040 --> 03:47:40,560
for jumping the gun on that one. And Mr.

5498
03:47:38,720 --> 03:47:43,560
regard.

5499
03:47:40,560 --> 03:47:43,560
» Uh

5500
03:47:45,040 --> 03:47:52,960
so uh giving person second and then we

5501
03:47:49,680 --> 03:47:55,520
would have it back for third reading at

5502
03:47:52,960 --> 03:47:58,399
the with the report

5503
03:47:55,520 --> 03:48:01,199
about amenities because that resolution

5504
03:47:58,399 --> 03:48:03,840
passed. Thank you. Just want to make

5505
03:48:01,199 --> 03:48:05,120
sure we're on the same page. Yeah. And

5506
03:48:03,840 --> 03:48:07,600
what I had heard is that we could do

5507
03:48:05,120 --> 03:48:09,600
this for first and second or do first,

5508
03:48:07,600 --> 03:48:11,760
second, and third because it's an ACC.

5509
03:48:09,600 --> 03:48:14,760
So that's why I was less concerned about

5510
03:48:11,760 --> 03:48:14,760
that.

5511
03:48:18,399 --> 03:48:22,800
» Yeah.

5512
03:48:21,199 --> 03:48:25,199
» If there were changes though, we we

5513
03:48:22,800 --> 03:48:26,960
couldn't. My understanding is that you

5514
03:48:25,199 --> 03:48:29,040
said that.

5515
03:48:26,960 --> 03:48:30,319
» Yeah. Yeah.

5516
03:48:29,040 --> 03:48:32,880
» But first, second, and third could

5517
03:48:30,319 --> 03:48:34,239
happen in the future is what I said. It

5518
03:48:32,880 --> 03:48:35,760
didn't first and second didn't have to

5519
03:48:34,239 --> 03:48:39,120
happen tonight as far as I understood

5520
03:48:35,760 --> 03:48:41,439
but maybe I but it yeah I think we can

5521
03:48:39,120 --> 03:48:42,479
move on Miss Okonnell though you look

5522
03:48:41,439 --> 03:48:44,399
like

5523
03:48:42,479 --> 03:48:45,840
» Um no I just want to clarify so the

5524
03:48:44,399 --> 03:48:47,520
motion that was passed has to do with

5525
03:48:45,840 --> 03:48:51,199
the DCC's

5526
03:48:47,520 --> 03:48:53,279
» The or before that the one typed um no

5527
03:48:51,199 --> 03:48:54,479
it said DCC's the one that was shown

5528
03:48:53,279 --> 03:48:55,680
» That failed

5529
03:48:54,479 --> 03:48:57,760
» That failed and then there was one

5530
03:48:55,680 --> 03:48:59,760
before about the ACC's which is the

5531
03:48:57,760 --> 03:49:02,640
referral and that passed and now you've

5532
03:48:59,760 --> 03:49:04,080
done first and second Okay. And then

5533
03:49:02,640 --> 03:49:06,239
you're still because that motion as

5534
03:49:04,080 --> 03:49:09,479
recommended included the twinning with

5535
03:49:06,239 --> 03:49:09,479
the DCC's,

5536
03:49:09,600 --> 03:49:13,359
right? Because the only change that was

5537
03:49:10,960 --> 03:49:16,600
made was the number of reasons like the

5538
03:49:13,359 --> 03:49:16,600
number of readings.

5539
03:49:16,720 --> 03:49:20,239
It'll depend on the timing and what

5540
03:49:18,319 --> 03:49:21,439
council decides to do and where we are

5541
03:49:20,239 --> 03:49:23,199
in that.

5542
03:49:21,439 --> 03:49:24,720
» So we don't have to take it out then.

5543
03:49:23,199 --> 03:49:27,199
» No, no, you can just leave it for now.

5544
03:49:24,720 --> 03:49:29,920
Yeah. But just just to clarify so

5545
03:49:27,199 --> 03:49:32,399
resolution 11.11

5546
03:49:29,920 --> 03:49:34,239
had the second thing which the desire

5547
03:49:32,399 --> 03:49:36,960
which is in the interest of everybody's

5548
03:49:34,239 --> 03:49:38,960
calculations to twin whatever happens

5549
03:49:36,960 --> 03:49:42,000
with ACC and whatever happens with the

5550
03:49:38,960 --> 03:49:44,160
DCC to have the timing coincidental.

5551
03:49:42,000 --> 03:49:47,600
Okay. Thanks. Thank you.

5552
03:49:44,160 --> 03:49:49,439
» All right. Much appreciated. On to uh

5553
03:49:47,600 --> 03:49:52,720
the last item development procedure

5554
03:49:49,439 --> 03:49:55,279
bylaw 320.

5555
03:49:52,720 --> 03:49:58,720
Any questions or comments? Uh it's just

5556
03:49:55,279 --> 03:50:02,399
housekeeping. All those in favor and any

5557
03:49:58,720 --> 03:50:05,840
opposed and motion carries. Uh and we

5558
03:50:02,399 --> 03:50:09,279
have our encampment resolution.

5559
03:50:05,840 --> 03:50:12,720
Uh is everyone okay if I count cancel or

5560
03:50:09,279 --> 03:50:14,880
skip the uh council reports?

5561
03:50:12,720 --> 03:50:18,399
» All right. So we have a first and second

5562
03:50:14,880 --> 03:50:20,640
for in camera. All those in favor? Any

5563
03:50:18,399 --> 03:50:23,640
opposed? Motion carries and we are

5564
03:50:20,640 --> 03:50:23,640
adjourned.

5565
03:50:26,160 --> 03:50:28,800
All right.