If we could please mark her down as
excused.
We have minutes to approve.
The first order of business is the approval of the following minutes. City council budget workshop May 30, 630 p.m. City council budget workshop June 5, 630 p.m. City council regularly meeting June 7, 630 p.m.
want to wait or move by the Vice President or the approval of the
Minister, one through wait and supported by Councilman Martin Bianco.
Do any discussion on the minutes?
All those in favor say aye.
Aye.
Opposed?
Yes, have it.
Next we will move into Administrative Report.
Is there Administrative Report?
Yes, Mr. President, I'm here on behalf of the Mayor tonight.
And really all I have is we can go through the agenda, you'll see items 2 and 3, attorney billing, item 4.
Mr. Saturday is here to speak about that.
The item 5 is the part of the purchase agreement that we had in regard to burdened estates.
The VIP holdings had a first-order refusal on that.
They're exercising, they're attempting to exercise that,
on the particular parcel mentioned.
I can answer any questions from Council discussion.
And the number six is the franchise ordinance
with consumers energy.
You passed that once before.
There were some errors with consumers,
and so consumers is asking you to re-approve this.
there are no substantive changes, but there are some minor changes in wording.
And that's all I have.
Thank you.
Next we'll move in committee reports.
Any committee's to report?
Mr. Smith.
the firm price mission gap last week, and a couple things on that.
Ask the administration, remember, about a lot of users out.
There's a central business system, or there's about three things that are all,
you know, expecting it to be on the agenda that's not for ever reason.
But with a being so long, I've asked the administration to try to get that to you, you know, hopefully we can advance and get to both for it.
I'm sure you're going to request me.
I think today is paying commission.
We're really great job with it.
But I'm sure you're going to want to work the other half time.
And I guess we'll need this week.
So I just wanted to set that up there for the record.
The second thing is, I've been given permission to use the name, I've been a bird.
I also have the same French mission meeting, Kevin brought up, and I wanted to afford
to the council for its ops and use.
Somewhere to what we do here, the point mission share has to underneath me
for the importance of the way some of what you do.
That's what we have there.
And I'd like to, and I give it to Kevin,
I think we should make a,
no doubt that it's a ceremonial thing,
but maybe we should end our stipend for the person that
here's the chair of the paint commission
and it gives the consideration for the building as well.
But there's people there.
They're not around.
Who wants to be, who wants to be chair?
No, I don't want to.
Because it's all there's to work.
So I think it could be something we can look at
And I'm all, now, there's something to say,
hey, we appreciate what you're doing for the city
and we realize that you're doing some work.
So I wanted to throw that out there tonight,
and see if the rest of them come up and talk about that.
Thank you, Mr. President.
Thank you, Mr. Smith.
And you would also include the parks and racking on that, also?
Oh, yeah.
It's commission also.
We're talking 10 bucks.
We're talking 20 bucks.
Why do people want to be chairs and vice-kids?
There's all of you just don't work.
Thank you, sir.
Anything else on the committee reports?
Mr. Wells.
I'm going to be a heads up.
I'm having a meeting with Mr. Slattery Thursday on our LED committee.
We're going to start getting rolling on that.
So, and I and the people from RSC are going to meet Thursday morning.
And then the next week, we'll have another meeting.
And then we'll have a meeting of our committee together.
Thank you sir, any more committees to report
Mr. Martin, do you get a chance to look over that ordinance that I emailed you?
I did not.
If you want to set a legislative meeting with that.
Yeah, the first and next month.
I'll set the meeting and I'll try to do it.
This is expeditiously as we can.
Thank you sir.
Thank you.
We'll move to audience participation, now it's time to set aside from members of the audience to address the Burton City Council.
I would ask each individual to give their name and address for the record.
Limit your comments at three minutes, and speak on top extra main to city business.
Any one wish an address to come?
Yes, ma'am.
The name of the Deborah Jackson.
I live at third.
Will that microphone a little closer to you?
My name is Deborah Jackson. I live at 1361 Wells. I've lived in Burton, Michigan, my entire life.
I have made complaints about things going on. There's been driveways, part, heaven, call the police,
cars, parked right up to the intersection, looking like junkyards, a garbage dump across the street,
complaints have been filed. Letters have been mailed to the mayor, and I'm getting no response.
If that's the time to stuff you want in Burton, Burton's going to be going down hill just
like it's going.
But if it's being reported, we need somebody to help back us up.
It's not just me.
It's people in the whole area that are having problems with the same people in the repeat
offenders.
But things are the code they're not being enforced.
Right now you can go to 1361, Carmen.
There's a junk motorcycle black in the sidewalk.
I thought that was for kids to get back and forth to school, but nothing will be done.
Why?
Can anybody answer me that?
Thank you, ma'am.
Anyone else? Yes, sir.
Jerry Cross.
I live up in, uh,
John C. Township.
I'm just here to introduce myself.
I'm running for Genesee County Commissioner.
I won the primary, so I'll be going up against Ellen.
Just one let you know if you want to get hold of me discuss any issues or anything
I'm here. I can give you my card after the meeting we get your address for the record
Please G3426 branch road and that's infant
Anyone else was address the council?
Yes, they're in the back
Excuse ten seventy-two forest. I don't number three
Bernie Billing that has to concern with the city clerk
How many more dollars of mine and the citizens of the city of Burton are we going to spend
to resolve this issue?
The English and the Senate and the letter here part a month ago, said that we have a perfectly
capable person here that can do that job.
Now, for sure, you all know whom talking about is very clear and stating that she was well
educated and field.
She can handle elections.
Why are we giving her this position?
Why are we still going around and around on this issue?
First, I think we spent enough of our taxpayers money on this issue.
Thank you.
Anyone else?
We're in a dress council.
Anyone else?
Seeing none, we'll close audience participation.
And move in a council discussion.
Anything for the council?
Present for you?
Mr. Smith.
Well, answers, I can tell you what's happened to date.
I just recently was brought to my attention about this situation.
I've had some conversations both internally,
and with the code enforcer and actually in Mr. Wells,
called me about the situation as well.
So, I went today and had pulled up a violation summary.
She's correct, there definitely was a problem, there was a complaint.
The official complaint was filed on 712 of 18, and it says junk vehicles and or junk
in debris, all vehicles must be plated, operable, and not an approved driveway surface in 10
days.
any vehicle in violation will be towed.
Further, it goes down to say on 716 of 18, put the
10 day notice in a door with no grasses is not in a, grasses, not in a proof surface. Any
vehicles in violation will be towed on 726 of 18 at your expense. We'll return on 726 of
18.
So there was some movement according to the notes that, you know, shovel some things
around, got rid of a few vehicles, moved them around, the ones that, and I'm only going
by what I have here, but what Frank tells me is, and then it goes on to say, he tagged
seven vehicles to be towed on eight-three, when he went back they still weren't either plated
or in an appropriate place.
It goes on to say on 8 3 of 18, Mr. Schaefer came into the DPW
on 8 2 of 18, and asked for an extension.
All vehicles are off the grass, and all plates are updated
on the vehicles.
Ask for a 10 day extension to remove.
I'm taking this to the Volkswagen VW, check back on 8 13 of 18.
On 1813, Mr. Schaefer came into the D.P.W. to get a permit for a six-foot-high privacy
fence.
I spoke with him and told him that he had to get the car off the grass immediately.
And the improper, incomparable vehicle must be put in the garage.
He said he would have had it done today, on 1814, a 14 draw by in the morning.
He had three cars in the approach of the driveway.
There was still some junk in the yard, but he had eight to nine bags of yard waste and a curb line full of garbage for the garbage of end to pick up.
I wrote a ticket to give Mr. Shafer.
He came into the office and hammered told him he could not park his vehicles there because they blocked the view.
and had to get them out of all the junk out of the right away.
By today, on 815, 815, all vehicles that are left on the property are plated and operable
and are on an approved driveway surface.
The junk has been cleaned up.
Leave the complaint open until the fence has been completed.
Check again in 10 days on 825 of 18.
So that's where we're at, every time we've been there, apparently Frank said he was a little
slow to get moving, he finally did start to move some stuff around, got rid of some vehicles,
put one or two that he said he was working on in his garage, according to this, and I'm just
getting briefed on this, and the other ones were on an approved surface and Frank checked
them for tags, and that they were operable, he had to show them that they were operable
and tagged in an appropriate location.
He asked, now the fence wasn't a requirement on our part,
but he did say he was going to put a privacy fence around his yard,
came in and pulled a fence permit.
Today, I don't know if that's done yet,
but he did get a fence permit to put a privacy fence
around the remaining things.
So in Frank's estimation, from what I'm gathered,
based on this document and what the conversation,
he had made some improvements.
He's still got a ways to go, but he is making improvements slowly.
I don't know, I can only tell you what I've been briefed on in what the document is here for me today on those dates.
Thank you.
Thank you, sir.
Mr. President, Mr. Chairman, good evening. Glad you're here because you're the man I want to talk to.
Good evening, council. The last legislative meeting we had, the team approved me giving you the proposed salary ranges for the charter five.
that's true. Two years old, yes, you were going to take him back and
administration had not had a chance to look at those and you had some
different peer groups that I had, I had some dated ones, but I think
they were directionally correct, I just wonder how we're
dressing on the review and your input on that.
You would also wanted some additional information so that we were
preparing benefits and other things.
I didn't.
I don't think we actually approved that.
I think it was just a salary part because some of this stuff when you have different
entities, then you open up a real trickbag because people have been given benefits and
lieu of salary increases and I think we need to stick just with the salary and go from
that's what I think we need to do. Okay, I know we were still working on that other
information and that's why we haven't brought it out. I didn't answer that. I'd like to
have that Ocellary Range's Mr. Martin Bianco has said that he's going to be calling a
legislative meeting first month, sir. First of the month? Yes. You could have. Absolutely.
We'll have that. We'll be on that agenda also. Mr. Martin Bianco. That's appreciated. Yes, sir.
Okay, next item, about a month ago, I asked to have the update of the five-year forecast,
including both enterprise funds we spent, but it had been a money on software, and we've
finalized the budget, made all the changes, they need to be plugged in and again, I would
hope at a more reasonable time than I asked last year to be eight months to get it, I hope
get it sooner than that. So, there's another formal request on the five-year forecast, including
both enterprise funds. Last but not least, I don't know exactly the date, but it was right
after the first year, Plant and Rand gave us a report on an internal review. And at that time,
the council set a six-month window for them to come back and give us an update report because
they were going to do that. I think we pass the six months.
Over second, seven p.m. Okay, perfect.
You know that sounds like tonight. Okay, perfect.
Okay, you get out of that one.
So you only have two to deal with.
Thank you, Mr. Hammond.
Thank you, Mr. O'Keefe.
Any more council discussion?
Mr. Wells.
Just want to let Mr. Jackson and other people that are commenting on the city council,
We
have a big turnover at the city of Burton right now and I know you can't do anything about it.
Obviously we can't either.
We're running out of skeleton crew and our priorities right now are making sure our roads are fixed.
So we're moving away from your house and the right direction.
Our water is coming into your house and the right direction.
Police are out there and if you just have some patience with us,
And listen, you were very patient, and thank you for the call, and the conversation and
for showing up tonight because that's the final word right there.
You came, you told us, it's like you said you would, most people don't do that.
They'll complain, they'll complain, they'll complain, they don't come forward and say, hey,
thanks for taking care of it.
We got a lot going on here in the city right now.
and Mr. Abbey's slatteries hands are overflowing,
and honestly they're doing a good job with what they've got to work with.
So just bear with us, bear with us.
We can just take care of, and we'll do it the right way.
We'll always do the right thing, and the end.
So just want to let you know that, and anybody else that's out there.
We're trying to get some more people involved and try some people,
but they gotta be the right people.
where we can't just hire a Willie Nellie and hope it works out.
So hang in there.
Thank you, Ms. President.
You, Mr. Wells, Amanda.
That ordinance that you wrote up for the newspapers,
could you forward that on to the clerk's office?
So, Mr. Mark Bianco causes legislative meeting
that she can forward it to the legislative committee?
I certainly will.
If I haven't, I believe I sent it to the Mayor's office
But I will certainly send out for that to you, Ms. Bixby.
Okay. Thank you.
We're talking about junk cars.
Ellen Street in
between Grand Travers
and Sagittal Street.
Don't have the address.
It's here in Mississippi. There's like 20 or 30 cars in the Shard.
And that's no exaggeration.
Read me?
Real close.
Is there that many there?
What can we do about it?
As long as you're on top of it, I'm
good.
I hope Amanda plugs your ears, but you know attorneys are in their opinions.
I'm
not trying to decide it over the years,
but it's a model that's all of the facts,
but you now have doesn't necessarily need it,
but it's only
a question.
Thank you, sir.
Mr. Jackson, if you get with Mr. Flattery at the end,
Mr. Abby in the middle, or you have a Mr. Hammond,
right there, one of them three can help you.
And actually Mr. Hammond's probably your best bet.
He makes things happen.
Any more council discussion?
It's just math.
Give us a lot of thought.
I believe we need to reach this lesson.
We all know there was a mystery in it between administration and the council on the budget issue.
And also there's a combination of things between the core, the labor chain,
with country negotiations.
We've been spending a lot of money from the legal $10,000 here
$10,000 in the United States.
And I do feel we owe the residents and accountability
as to how this money being spent.
Right now, I couldn't tell you what was cost of that budget issue.
And I think we owe that to the residents to explain it.
We'll have to be held a combo for action, both the administration and the council.
Two parties, people with that agreement, the disagreement.
So we shouldn't know what that cost us.
And the residents shouldn't know.
And I can't give them an answer right now.
The other thing is, is we, that's hopefully a one-time issue.
We spend a lot of money on legal, and I was looking again at the legal expense of this again, and not to change that, but no one knows, no one renews what that cost us, and that make it go back into the budget.
And once you find out, look, if it's a one-time thing, we don't know where it is.
That's something you don't want to do.
I just missed it somehow.
I'd like to ask the administration to please provide me
or the counsel of the bill so I can pull all up
and I can share with the residents.
For all, we're all guilty.
The administration of the guilty.
The counsel of the guilty, we couldn't come to a
for that one. We owe it to these people, but that cost. I'm going to ask the administration.
It's a meeting in the Council to read that.
It's providing me with the invoices and for government and green filter.
It's like an add it all up, and now share it with the Council.
They should go out there.
Then we should know what we don't have.
Those invoices are all available.
I'm asking you to provide them to the public.
Sure, I'm going to go to the public with the invoices going back
to the controllers office as well.
The start of the litigation to the end, the copies of it.
You also want the suit building as well?
It's being federal and dollars.
Because you need to subtract one.
We know that both.
It's possible we don't know how much this impact
with this litigation one.
So it just bells are being green for that.
But you only want it as it applies to the litigation
involving the mayor over the budget.
For example, what's on under tonight?
Nothing to do with litigation.
Yeah.
No, no.
I'm talking about the bells or bell, but it's on under tonight.
Yeah, no.
That's a different thing.
That's just a torture.
That's what's been clerk related.
He's talking about the lawsuit, the mayor filed against the council.
I'm saying, I'm not saying blame, but these people should know what they're called.
We should know what they're called.
You don't know?
I disagree that you don't know, but we can certainly provide that information.
I haven't seen you voices, but I'm sure we've approved them.
But I don't where they're at that.
I think they were putting them in some other stuff.
So I'm looking for the invoices.
I'm going to read the letter.
Okay.
I'm going to start.
And for teens to the budget.
It's a grievance.
So we ought to be how accountable to the residents.
I just, that's fine.
I just disagree with the premise that we're not,
that they weren't available.
Well, I may ask you, you need to know, I guess to me that if you were, I may ask you
for that.
How about what line item they were paid out of?
I was just more interested in seeing, you've been adding 10,000 here, 10,000 there, and I don't
know how much of what?
Yeah, just to be clear, we can go back and look at the record.
I don't think we've been adding 10,000 here and there for the bells or the green bell or bills.
But we don't know that all we know is we start out for the budget of $60,000.
I could think of these $2,000 increase.
So that's $80,000.
Okay.
I don't want to be labor to this.
I'll get you the information.
You guys are comfortable.
Fine.
But I have the answer.
Well, no, I agree with you.
I think we need to see that.
I do have a question.
If I'm in a surprise.
Sure.
Can I miss your vice president?
I have number three in here specifically breaks out.
Looks like Bowser and council president for attorney billing.
So I guess my question referencing this one is when it came to.
I asked several times.
How come that wasn't appeared on the agenda? How come we were voting on that?
So how come this one would appear and to be approved by council,
But when all that stuff was going out of a green
for other personal attorney of the mayor's,
that would never show up on the agenda.
Can you explain the differences to me?
Why one would appear one would?
Sure.
The bells are bill was on there.
There's a courtesy to counsel
because counsel hired Mr. Bellzer,
the mayor hired Mr. Greenfeller
and we were involved in this.
Regulation, and so those determination made that didn't need to come before council. In addition, with regard to this billing specifically, if you
made that determination.
The mayor did.
July 6 of 2017, when you hired Mr. Bellzer,
you hired Mr. Bellzer and I'm
going to see if I can get the action item read to you specifically. Most in the hire
Attorney Jack Bellzer to represent the Burton City Council in any litigation in which the
city attorney cannot represent the council due to conflict of interest. So in regard to
These, you know, this is your call, not ours, but in regard to this particular building, for consultations with the Council present reference the issue with the cleric, I don't believe there was any question of there ever being a conflict of interest.
In fact, the court gave an opinion, I'm sorry, the city attorney gave an opinion on the cleric's office.
So certainly there was no conflict of interest there, you also had an opinion from Mr.
Ledford.
So I'm not sure that that billing, and again, this is Council's call, but I'm not sure
that that billing was actually, Mr. Belles was actually even authorized under your authorizing
action in July of 2017.
It's made sense, I mean, but in all fairness, our attorney also gives an opinion on the budget issue to
we ended up going all the way up, heels court on and so.
But you took action to do that.
And then I know I understand what you're reading.
Each year again.
We got the first bills, we're on 25,000 dollars at the very start.
Then we never saw another bill.
And green thought saw.
I have no idea.
What it was.
We got the bells themselves.
It's like the toll between dollars and green thought.
We have to fill that bill to get it.
If I remember correctly,
we forgot to do that.
We should know what the cost was,
so these people can know.
We should know.
But by the regions, I have to transfer it to the region.
Nobody at this table or the mayor object to that,
and to you having access to any invoices for any billpages.
I certainly have that right.
Well, that's an expected meeting.
The time frame.
Thor will get into you by the next meeting.
Thank you.
I think we'd all like copies of that.
Yeah.
They all should know.
They're all gone.
They all should know.
We'll make them available.
Any more calls to discussion?
Yeah.
One more thing, Mr. President.
We had a nice presentation a couple of weeks ago about water rate studies.
And during that presentation it was alluded to $1.1 million in the red in the water department.
And it happened to coincide with the water lines that we put in over off of Hempel Road.
Do you have anything from the state of Michigan that said that they were going to pass back?
No, what I do have is they're not going to pay us back for door-to-door water, but if I read the letter correctly.
Actually, you can read that thing, so I have it.
I can set some light on the situation on shine and monomony, if that's essentially what we're talking about.
So we had a meeting with several lawmakers, including Senator Antoneck, Representative, a representative from Pam Ferris's office, and Representative Nile, I think that comes for everyone who is there.
We have another meeting, the Mayor and I on Wednesday, in Lansing, with state treasurer Nick
Corey to address this issue,
and some other folks coming, I can't remember who I'm right
on Nick Corey, he'll be there, and we're continuing to push to get that reimbursement, or
at least some of it.
And
I guess the crux of my question is,
how could you guys avoid it to do that job if
you didn't have something in writing from the state to begin well?
Well, our residents were drinking poison.
And our number one priority is council people who is the safety and welfare of our residents.
So we had to do whatever it took to take the poison out of their house and give them such a clean
water.
And they were getting clean water from the state, this part of being on the water line, and then the water line reconnected, ran water there.
And I agree that I wanted them hooked up to the Burton water line, so we could, you know, they should be a part of Burton water line, they're a Burton customers.
But until you knew you were going to get, until you had something in writing that you were going to get $1.1 million back, I don't know how you could have forward with that project.
I get just mind-blowing to me.
When it comes to poisoning children,
people not being able to bathe in their own homes,
we have some tough choices to bathe.
We all, seven of us at the time, agreed
that we need to do something.
But we did it.
Yeah, we did it.
Why didn't you, I mean, if that was truly the case,
Why would the state not have just come forward and say, hey, we're going to, oh, we were told we was going to get everything flint got.
But flint didn't offer door to door, water deliveries.
That's why we're not getting paid back from that.
We may get paid back for the rest of it.
Well, we did get some of the money back for the door to door deliveries and some of the time that we put in.
But you're right, the governor's office assured us that we would be included.
Not just the city of Burton, but all effected a resonance when they redress the issues in the costs,
you know, associated with it in Flint, that if you will, the greater Flint area to include Burton and other communities would be part of that settlement.
And that's what we're fighting for.
I'm still going to take some work, but I'm reasonably confident that we have the right players in the room.
and then meeting with the State Treasurer, I think will be helpful as you know, also happens
to hail from Burton.
Right.
Yes.
Yes, yes.
I'd like to get some updates on that, Mr. Hammond, as you get them, I'd like to see what's
going on down there.
I'm going to talk to Mr. Ann and H. myself and see if he can push for, I mean, we can't
afford to give away 1.1 million dollars.
Right.
And I think anybody, you know, any member of the council, we would welcome any input or any
influence that you can exert with, any of our lawmakers to help get us that money.
We had to do it over again today.
I would vote the exact same way.
You know, we couldn't afford not to give up on one of them, so you've heard the trip back.
Oh, there was a conversation, like you just said, Mr. Haven, that the state would inferred
for the reimbursement program, everything else for it, and whether it was in writing or not,
there was some kind of correspondence that was read to us about the state backing us, and everything else.
Obviously, we had to check in the end or anything like that.
But then we went ahead and moved forward with project and all of the states.
What keep backing out of what they said they would do for us?
100% correct, and there were things in writing, and I can tell you that Mr. Bernard from the governor's office,
and others at the state level, including our state lawmakers, have a thick packet of the correspondence
between the administration.
We did use some CDBG money for that also, didn't we?
The 135,000, wasn't it?
Yes.
Something like that.
The real issue is, you guys should have known by now, not to trust politicians.
It's spreading.
Get it right in.
Have them sign it.
Stamp it.
Get it down.
Payment on it.
It's a little key.
And then your butts are covered.
I agree with the comments that you made.
You know, again, today versus when we pass this is a whole different story.
And especially all our phones are ringing off the hall.
People were here.
And again, it was the right thing to do at the right time.
What I do it the same way today.
I think I would.
However, I did, if you remember,
voice a concern that Flint seems to be getting all the limelight
on this thing, and again, I just hope that, you know,
if we do this, that we're not forgotten about,
and if you remember, Madam Attorney, I spoke to you
about the liability that these folks are supposedly
going to be protected years from now, especially children,
if they have some problems or something like that.
That's the part I was concerned about.
I'm still concerned about that.
But I think you guys are on the right course.
I think play nice right now and try to go to the right people,
and I think you're doing that.
However, at the end game, if we don't get this,
I think we need to go to the press and say,
hey, Burton Michigan is on the same map as Flint,
Michigan is, and we're a very small community
that has some definitely some financial difficulties.
and we popped a million one to fix our neighborhood up that had to be fixed.
There was no question about that, and now we're being hung out to dry.
So I think I would play nice now, but when we get to that point where things aren't going
the way we think they should be, I think that's when we take the gloves off.
Well, so let me talk about taking the gloves off briefly.
So we made a very clear to the Gen. C county delegation that we want to play a nice on this.
We want to explain to the state that there was a very, what in the best, in the best frame
that was a misunderstanding, the letter that we got, denying us this money said that, well,
you guys have planned to do it anyway as part of the DWF program. That is absolutely false.
We made that very, very clear.
We couldn't have done it.
It wasn't our infrastructure to begin with.
In terms of being nice and then playing hardball,
we also made it clear to the delegation that we'd like
to do it through them this way if possible.
That's why we got the meeting with Treasure Curry.
However, we also made it clear that there are other things
on the table, including leveraging the media,
And including possible litigation, if it came to that, we are not very yet, but those are certainly things that are in our, in our, in our, you know, in our ability to exercise.
On your right on track.
Thank you, Mr. O'Keefe.
Anything else from the council?
Hearing none, we'll move into council action.
Item one, moving author as attorney billing Doyle, 731-2018,
moved by the vice president supported by Constance Smith.
Any discussion?
All the role, please.
Mr. Halskins, Mr. Halskins.
Yes. Mr. Martin Mianko.
Yes. Mr. Wells.
Yes. Mr. O'Keefe.
Yes. Mr. Smith.
Yes. Motion carried.
Item two, moving author as payment to attorney billing and misoode.
The Vice President.
Or, where do my consmithsmiths any discussion?
Other roll, please.
Mr. House, Ms.
Mr. Heffner.
Mr. Martin Mianko.
Mr. Wells.
Mr. Keyes.
Yes.
Mr. Smith.
Motion carried.
Item three.
Moving on to our 30-20-building check bales.
July 2018.
The amount of $568.75.
Or,
by the Vice President supported by Councilman Smith, any discussion?
Mr. President.
Mr. Martin Bianca.
I offer an amendment because it is printed in the record that we strike the area of the
parenthetical notation that discussed what the consultations with the Council President were
all about.
And one of the reasons for that is, you don't see that on any other attorney billing that
we've got, but it appears to me that the administration is singly now at the Council
President for exercising what is necessarily his authority and issues of temporal concern.
And I think we all had to agree that that had to be done and, you know, it's just
like if you don't like somebody's opinion, you're going to go get another one just to double
check on yourself.
So I would move that amendment to strike from the record that parenthetical notation that
was made.
Is there support?
Supported motion to strike the
July teen consultation of council president by Mr. Martin Bianco has been supported by Mr.
Askins.
Any discussion on striking that portion of it?
Mr. Wells, Mr. Smith just made a small speech for a minute to go about being transparent to our
Residents about where all this money from returning free is are gone. I, for the life of me, don't understand. How many opinions do you need on this?
I mean, what opinion did he give you? Let's start with that.
I don't think we can talk about it. I don't think we can talk about it.
I don't think we can talk about it.
What did he tell you?
What I just said ending litigation you we can't talk about it that this meeting
litigation regarding the city clerk
Criminal and civil. Yeah,
let's just specifically regarding the city clerk
What I see what's going on here?
I mean you you've got a little loophole go on where you can just you know all in the attorney you want
That's gonna add up fast
If you guys want to support it, go ahead.
It's very highly irregular and probably somewhat illegal.
Because he doesn't, he should speak for all the council.
Unfortunately, Mr. Wells, I can't call all the council,
but I was in consultation with the legislative chair
and the financial chair.
They both encouraged me to call the attorney.
Why didn't you call him meeting for the city council,
so we can all discuss it?
you're spending tax for your money,
you've already contacted Mr. Gleason, you told him
you already got a clerk, you've already contacted our attorney, Mr. Doyle, I think she gave you
pretty much the same answer, I don't know what Mr. Bellzer would tell you that was different.
You gave me that answer, Mr. Gleason said that they had no help to offer us, you said you
already got a certified clerk, go ahead and use her, you might want to read the whole letter.
I did.
The bottom of the set at this time that County had no help to offer us.
Because you've got to go.
You have to leave your problems with their election, by the way.
No, we did.
Mr. President.
Mr. O'Keefe.
I have a different slant on this.
Again, when we hired Mr. Belzer, we had a motion.
We went through the channels we approved it.
And it was for just a specific purpose.
I think we need another motion at least a minimum that gives the authority because one person can't go out and hire an attorney and get a legal opinion.
None of us can.
You're yourself included.
Again, if you want to put a motion out there, at least we would be covered that way.
But I think right now we're kind of going against what, as Mr. Wells said it.
You know, one person gets and money here among the seven of us has to be put in a motion
as we voted upon. That's all I got to say.
Any more discussion? Call the roll, please.
What are we voting on?
Item three. Mr. Mark Michael medium.
Oh, on the amendment to remove July 2018,
in the conversation with Council President,
we're voting on, we're moving that.
Yes, sir.
See, Attorney, I mean,
would it well be your council on this?
Is that on?
I guess I don't understand what the question is.
Well, here we're Dany said, you heard where Dennis said,
I do believe the council president was right.
He's doing his due diligence.
We had at the council meeting, we thought we had
agreed you were here Dennis and we could you were directed to do some course
finance to the state and to the county so but we didn't do a vote on it so but
we all left thinking that was going to happen then after the fact that did not
happen so the council president then said hey we this is what we had asked
to have done and we thought we did so where we where we had do we need to do
something here that do vote or on with Dennis said, or do we do with this or as it is?
Yes.
With regard to Mr. Bell's or the ultimate question is, is he still retained for that particular
purpose?
If you believe he is still retained for this particular purpose, then no, a vote would not
be necessary.
However, if you believe this is a separate issue, then yes, you would have to retain him again
for that separate issue.
Thank you.
My point is this, guys, we're going down a real treacherous road here.
You may have hired Mr. Bellzer in regards to the last topic you were arguing with
the mayor about, has cost them after a lot of the nominal amount of money.
But this is a totally different topic, this is a city clerk,
so I mean if you're going to open
the door and you three guys are gonna make the decision for all city council. I'm totally
opposed to that and it shouldn't be that way and I think you know that. Madam attorney Mr.
President, yes sir. I think at this time what I'll do is I would throw my motion to go
ahead and approve and pay this until weekend came up with a motion to make sure that Mr.
Bellzer was retained in the right fashion with a proper motion. I would like to say this
much that this is possible litigation. Again, and it is clarification of what we're trying
to understand here and it's been talked about open meetings, but clarification was more
not where you were here for them meetings. This isn't a big surprise to anybody except
for what exactly was discussed. Obviously I'm not privy to that either right now.
But I would be more than happy to withdraw my emotion and make a table emotion until
we can get this address on a different fashion to pay it to make sure that we, he was
retained in the right fashion. I honestly believe, from our last motion, that I believe
that Mr. Bell's was probably retained in the right fashion on this because of this goes
on a different direction, that we have to end up in court again.
Does anybody turn his
that motion again that he read earlier.
The motion.
What will we retain bells or the first time?
Motion is to hire attorney Jack Bellzer to represent the Burn City Council in any litigation
in which the City Attorney cannot represent the Council due to conflict of interest.
There you go.
I think there's your answer.
So would you like to withdraw your withdrawal?
I would withdraw the amended.
Yeah, I will withdraw my withdrawal.
So, my motion was still stand.
I just think that there's probably going to have to come something to where this is, whether
we have the executive session with Bowser or whatever we do, we're going to do that.
I think exactly what was going on.
I think maybe if you might need to be explained before, some people vote on paying it.
So,
that would be my only, I think that if we're voting on this to pay for it, maybe
Council should be in the loop, why would you?
Would you like to have an executive session with the attorney
Belzer?
Now, if we can't obtain.
What's the conflict of interest between you?
Well, then disregard, I guess.
No, I guess I need to know what the conflict of interest is
with our own attorney.
Why can't did you give an opinion on the clerk?
I think you did.
If this is the issue, though, as I understand it,
else is we don't know what right now what those consultations were for. If they were for
the potential litigation with regard to the city clerk by the council, then no, there
would be a conflict. I don't know what those consultations were about, so I don't know if
I would have been conflicted out or not.
Well, it's just an interpretation of the chart, really.
It addresses the mayor's 30 days to name a clerk.
And I understand that, but that does not tell me.
It's a rejected it.
She came back and named another one.
The council rejected it.
This could go on and on and on.
I don't want to see another 1.1 million dollars.
This is the way on a clerk when it's very simple.
It's a very simple solution.
And part of the solution is to stop playing politics.
If you can't figure out who's going to be a clerk,
we have a certified clerk right now right there.
Actually we don't.
Here we do.
She sure is.
She's an acting clerk, but she's certified.
She's already ran to elections.
She wasn't confirmed by the council.
And that's not the administration's fault.
That's what I'm saying.
They're following the charter, they're throwing bodies at you, you're throwing them back.
Do you want to name your own clerk, because that's not how the charter works.
The mayor names them and we either confirm or don't confirm.
That's right.
The other part of the issue is, if people watch this meeting and see what's going on in this city,
they don't want to come here and be a clerk or anything else, we can't find suitable people
higher and different positions right now. Well, our discussion right now is on Mr.
Mark Bianco's amendment.
Is there any more discussion on the amendment?
Hold a roll please. Mr. Halskins? Yes. Mr. Halskins? Yes. Mr. Halskins? Yes. Mr. Halskins? Yes. Mr.
Mr. Martin Bianco? Yes. Mr. Wells? Oh. Mr. O'Keefe? No. Mr. Smith? Yes.
Motion carried. Item three. We were not surprised to turn you being Jack Belzer in the amount of
five hundred and sixty-eight dollars and seventy-five cents
somebody already has moved in somebody's already
supported
got you
what's been a half hours until we did that I think so
okay
any more discussion
all the role please
Mr. Halskins
what are you calling a role on
this is to pay the bill
the amendment
has no where you did that
okay
there was no motion made no support
Yes, it was.
Like he just said, it was about half a hour ago.
No.
This was.
You guys are there.
No.
Mr. Keefe.
No.
Mr. Smith.
Motion carried.
Item four, proven authorized the mayor and city clerk.
Executed contract with royal professional services.
No, moved his rent.
Or a councilman will keep supported by councilman Martin Bianco.
Any discussion?
Mr. President.
Through you to Mr. Slattery.
Hi, Bob.
This is the preliminary engineering on this project.
Yes, sir.
It's scheduled for 2019 for the construction,
or is it 2020?
Well, we're hoping to do that in 2019, sir.
The State Infrastructure Bank loan has given us preliminary approval
of our application and things are looking very good
to be able to do that project next summer, 2019.
Very good.
Thank you.
Thank you, Mr. Martin Bianco.
Anyone else?
Council discussion here on this one.
Other roll please.
Mr. Heskins.
Mr. Heskin.
Yes.
Mr. Martin Mianko.
Mr. Wells.
Mr. OK.
Yes.
Mr. Smith.
Motion carried.
Item five.
We've been authorised a sale of lack twenty five in person.
We've moved by the vice president.
Ordered by Councilman Smith.
Any discussion?
President.
Mr. Wells.
another one that sticks in my car.
Me and the dollars of property were sold that the taxpayers have money into inside walks,
infrastructure, and so forth.
This gentleman bought some of them, I guess, gave him back to the city and now he's cheery
pickin' them.
Yes, that happens to be in my neighborhood.
We recently, the city had to come out and mole the grass because he won't do it.
I was $2,000 Mr. Abby,
$2,000 to those lots in that neighborhood.
I'm not sure somewhere in that neighborhood if we break it down, you have three guys
with the equipment that we charge off for the day and a half.
So, actually almost two days total, first they did the first half then say now, I don't
know the exact breakdown, but it's better than $1,500 at least, I'm sure.
I've had to do the exact breakdown and I haven't, but we can.
Isn't it?
He has perceptively, doesn't it really almost properties correct?
He just has the first option there.
That's true, if you recall almost three years ago,
you approved a sale to buy malar ponds, cross creek.
We sold three lots outright in Burton's states with the balance
giving him a over doing a three-year period of first try to refusal at this price $7,000
in some change. So he's attempting to exercise this right. And this parcel, be quite honest,
I don't believe we really have any choice.
Part of the sales agreement. To me, it was a good move, right? Because we have no
or a process is sold out. They're going for over $200,000.
We have a cross cross creek.
They're building their line trees. I go through those. They're close to me.
And I think for where we were three years ago, to where we are today, I think it was a phenomenon
move that the council made, we have, I'm not sure how many, how many, come in, additional
homes are now sold in Narapond. This is substantial. It's substantial in both subdivisions.
And these are not cheap homes, these are relatively expensive homes. Oh, they're not completely
built out, but they're at the cost. I have to just point it out, but yes. So, you know, we technically,
the gentleman's Biden buyer's agreement, I think what we did was great. I had no problem with
at all. We had lots of setting there. There's stuff that's going on and then. So I think what we did,
we have a lot more that are at homes that are now. We have families coming in, shopping in Burton.
I think what we did, the situation we are handed with where property wasn't on the city. I think we
did the best we could, what we had. I'm proud of it. The point I'm making here is this.
And we offered those to the residents of the city of Burton for $7,200 a lot.
I think we get to solve every one of them again.
You had lots of lots. We couldn't get rid of.
You couldn't find anybody. Everybody walked away from them.
Builder walked away from the bankwalked away from them.
You just stopped paying the tax.
And we were stuck with the special assessments.
Yes.
A former council that you were a part of.
I know you were part of putting us in that predicament.
Mr. Huffner.
Was you not on the council that approved that?
Yes, I was.
Okay, there you go.
Okay, there I go.
And here's the thing.
Times change.
Now we're going back the other way.
There's an album flow in government.
At the time that we made that decision,
people were building houses in Burton.
That's the only thing to keep Burton going, by the way.
When the bottom drop, it didn't just drop in Burton.
and dropped all the way across the country.
But you're coming back and you're trying to slam us
for something we did to try to write it wrong.
I'm not blaming anyone.
I'm, if you listen, I'm not blaming anyone.
What it does is sticks in my crowd that we have people
in the city of Burton it would buy a $7,500 lot
in that subdivision rather than have this guy cherry pick
all the good lots.
And then how do you give somebody a right
of first refusal?
Refusal on property doesn't even own.
That's how we got him to buy cross creek and mallard ponds yeah, but they would still be sitting there empty
You don't think he would have bought him without them. No, did he have a right first refusal in cross creek rails ridge mallard ponds?
He bought them all right, did he bought them all right? That's correct. Okay, we were trying to fix a mistake that a prior council made. Oh
We are that's what we tried to do
Okay, that's, that's, you know what, that's this council's whole agenda, somebody else did it, we got a fix it and that's what has been the last few years has fixed in mistakes of the past.
All right, any more discussion on item five, call the roll please.
Mr. Halskins.
Yes.
Mr. Halskins.
Yes.
Mr. Martin Bianco.
Yes.
Mr. Wells.
Mr. O'Keefe.
Yes.
Mr. Smith.
Yes, I think you're right.
Item six.
Sumer's energy company gas and or electric franchise ordinance by the vice president supported by a councilman Smith.
Mr. Councilman O'Keefe, excuse me.
So you need discussion.
Call the roll please.
Mr. Haskins. Mr. Huffner.
Mr. Martin Mioco.
Yes.
Mr. Wells.
Yes. Mr. O'Keefe.
Yes.
Mr. Smith.
I think you
get your agenda and you can now find minutes at www.burtonemye.gov.
Anything else to come before the council?
Yes, Mr. President. Just a request.
So as you know, we cancelled tonight's committee schedule committee, the whole meeting.
And we'd like to reschedule that the folks that we're going to,
Some of the folks who are going to do the presentation have a conflict because some of them
are members of councils and governmental bodies in other communities.
So they had a conflict on the first and third Mondays.
And I'm hoping to reschedule that as soon as possible on a non-console meeting night.
I don't know if we can take care of that tonight, but these folks are waiting to hear from
us or we're going to come down and give you a presentation and give you answer any questions
you might have.
With the legislative chair and he can set all that up.
That would be great.
Thank you.
Thank you, sir.
Mr. O'Kee,
October 2nd, at 7 p.m.,
we have Michelle and Eric here at the White
Thank you sir.
Anything else in council?
Hearing none, we're adjourned at 808.
I think that's by design.
I think they want us on.
Hold on.
I'm sorry.
Young lady, thank you so much.
Hi.
How you doing?
I don't know if he's told you.
Oh, not here.
We need a lot of power, let's take it up here.
I like to use a budget suite of reading, but I like to give that up.
I'll see you, sir.
What?
Yeah, I'll show you.
Yeah, I haven't forgot your brother.
What did you do?
I'm sorry.
I feel better now.
Hey, about two hours.
You guys didn't make the money still.
I'm hoping not paying much.
That's the reason.
Oh, he had me going.
And five minutes.
What?
Two minutes.
Two.
It's for sure that maybe guys didn't realize that you need a bath and not much what you've been doing
I haven't seen you in a hundred years
Oh, are you
Sorry about that
My mom allegedly sold the corner and then that they'll fell through
I had told us so bad we got it. I got to have your heart on her face. I got something going on
What's the name things?
Oh no, that's forever.
That's you go to the lunch plate or the financial chair.
And then they'll bring it to us.
Well, it turns out a lot.
You gotta take it for me.
I have some hard problems.
I'm trying to get those trained around.
I have some given the issues.
Doctors as I can't get this take care of till I'm sure.
Yes.
You got some of your mom.
Six.
Seven.
One of them too, I like to think so sometimes, we do like that.
That's kind of the hell out.
All right.
Can you tell who's doing the politics?
It's not easy.
Oh, no way.
We're trying to do that.
We're trying to fix the power of the heat cause.
Forty-two years.
About time like one way.
So we're still all of our stuff.
You know, playing for us, we wasn't here with us, and the first one,
he's just clueless and a lot of this stuff.
I mean, he's totally clueless.
I want this time, it's $3 million.
Ah, very nice.
Very nice.
That'd get to see how the democracy works.
Or doesn't.
The pain on what side of the table you have.
You did.
We're trying to fit.
I see it.
You take care.
I see it.
I think it's just a finished committee.
It's not that big.
It's like a big.
The bonds to the Jeremy.
We have the luxury of looking back.
I can, the compensation.
Anything with compensation.
Because we don't really make a law.
We can make a policy that says,
you know, any commission members are going to get this.
Yeah.
When you should kill those from one another, because it's a coincidence.
I thought we had to have something to do with.
I was not.
But that's what you got.
Why can't you do that?
I'm not fine.
I'm fine.
You know, the government's not here.
You sure about that.
Oh, he's not.
That's what we do.
That's all the compensation to me.
I'm sure there's some rules about it.
Hello, they're going to get them.
No, let's see.
Dr. Hayd, he's a great package.
He's a great package.
He needs to zip his head.
10 dollar statement.
He's a good company.
I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
Right.
Nobody told me to get it?
I guess I got to tell you.
I got to tell you.
Tom, Tom had been talking about given all the commission attend the race.
Did you do what?
Do you do what?
In the budget time?
No.
You said we're going to give him all I could attend the race.
Yeah, we talked about that.
We talked about that.
Yeah,
we talked about that.
You know what?
Pardon me?
I don't know.
Kevin brought it up.
Kevin?
What did you expect about it?
I would be really happy to talk to you.
Hey, for your gas.
You'll be how much?
Are you six in the name?
You're older than him?
Yes, six.
I wouldn't have never known that.
That's what I did.
Good for the recognition.
Yeah, some apparently some galantaves, some zoos did.
Oh, Greg, over the emphastor, she's interested.
What's that?
Yeah.
I was down there.
Tuesday, Wednesday.
Yeah.
Thursday and Friday.
We got there all the time.
I think they'll Saturday.
Yeah.
I think they'll Saturday.
Yeah.
It's a good fun.
We're the girls, get on with everything.
See, that's what we're trying to do.
Yeah, they come real, they come real.
Well, it's like, uh, no kids.
They're even trying to stop over here.
Use those.
Here's not the way they hold on.
Yeah, that's what they're trying to do.